The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► not only to my kids not know how to use [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► computers but they all because they [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► don't know how to use computers they [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► don't know how to fix things on [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► computers like they don't even have [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► they've never had to fix anything on a [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► computer it was like how do you learn [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► how to fix crap on computers like [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► because when we were kids I Princeton [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► know anything so that was known to ask [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► and you had to just figure it out [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► yourself yeah we kind of broke [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► everything and figured out how to fix it [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► that's basically how we how we figured [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► this all happened my son had a problem [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► recently where he was like dad big [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► appear only types capital letters and so [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► I came over and he was like in a Google [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► document and he's like look capital [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► letters and it's not caps lock because [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► cap lock light on or off either way just [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► produces capital letters right and he [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► was that was it that was the extent of [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► his debugging like he'd he knew catbox [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► resisted and he had tried toggling it on [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► and off and it confirmed it in one [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► position lightest animal position a lot [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► is off but either by tap will let us [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► come up but that was it he was out of [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► ideas hmm and that's not that's not good [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► what was it like a stuck shift key so I [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► tried another application which is the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► first thing you try is this just Google [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► Docs or the browser is everywhere so [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► open text edit sure enough only capital [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► letters in TextEdit right so I'm like [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► like the things you learned from a [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► lifetime of debugging the things that [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► could potentially solve this problem you [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► know so log out right we go to log out [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► or you know switch users to master [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► troubleshooting step turn everything off [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► generically Becca and the login screen i [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► went to log into my account and when you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► see the little password thing you see [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► the little arrow that tells you that [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► thanks cap locks is on you know yep that [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► puts me right and so basically it was [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► like the computers our caps lock was on [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► all the time it wasn't you could look at [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the keyboard and doesn't matter the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► light was on or off but the computer was [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► totally convinced the cap locks on it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► off so i unplug the keyboard and plug [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► back in and i fixed and my son said to [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► me why how could unplugging the keyboard [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and plugging it back in fix it and I was [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► like if you've ever fix anything [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► computer this fixes a surprising number [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► of thing log out and back in unplug and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► replug reboot turn everything off wait [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► 10 seconds unplug it from the wall wait [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► 10 seconds all these things have reasons [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► behind them but like even if you don't [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► know the reasons behind them eventually [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► you learn by fixing things that [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► sometimes you just have to do crap like [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that and the only way you learn that is [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► by actually fixing problems in the real [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► world without understanding why they fix [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you just like what [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► I do to make this problem go away and [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► once it works for you once it is in your [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► bag of tricks of like just you know the [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► general idea of start the thing over [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► again unplug it and plug it back in [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► disconnected and reconnected and my kids [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► don't even have that they don't even [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► have the basics that they don't have any [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► understanding of that because they never [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► had to fix anything themselves like [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► nightmares of like them leaving the [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► house and living on their own as an [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► adult and having a job and calling me [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► and saying cake my TV show I can't watch [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► my TV show it's not working like cuz you [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► know like Netflix is broken or something [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► I feel like this this might be kind of [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► how like like whenever anything breaks [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► about our house usually you know if it's [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► not that critical that it gets fixed you [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► know like there isn't water pouring all [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► over everything and we're not like [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► installing a fire hazard outlet in the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► wall but you know I but if there's you [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► know like some like you know we have to [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► like hang something that's kind of heavy [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► duty on the wall somewhere or we have to [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► like fix something that's made of wood [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► you know usually those tasks just [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► accumulate until my father in law comes [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► to visit he will basically just go [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► around in the first days here and just [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► like fix everything around the house [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► that we've been putting off forever and [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► I feel like maybe the way that he thinks [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► about it or at least the way he should [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► think about how we seem to be totally [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► incapable of fixing these things [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► ourselves might be the same way that you [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► are thinking about like how can your son [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► possibly not know how to troubleshoot [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► these computer issues himself so I gotta [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► show up at his house when he's an adult [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► and it's like oh thank god you're here [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► we haven't been able to watch TV and six [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► months maybe we can't figure out why I'm [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► gonna go up to television unplug it from [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► the wall plug it back in and got a go [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that very well might be how this [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► generation plays out my word I feel the [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► same way though like I can't think of a [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► specific example other than my fired [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► hazard plug that isn't actually a fire [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► hazard but they're there plenty of [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► things that either my dad who was very [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► electrically inclined or Aaron's dad who [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► in a prior life was a carpenter so he's [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► like woodworking inclined there's many [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► things that without them I would have to [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► either pay someone to do something maybe [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► figured out myself in the spare time I [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► don't feel [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► I have or just live with it forever I [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► don't feel that incapable for home [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► repair things is my my my parents do my [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► father does come and fix everything [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► exactly like you were saying your [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► father-in-law meet you Marco but but [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► it's not because I don't know how to fix [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► it it's because I don't want to fix it I [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► don't have time to fix it and and he's [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► going to do a better job too because i [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► have he's fix it more times than me but [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► i do know what to do only because i [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► spent an entire lifetime watching home [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► improvement television just oh I spent a [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► lot of time watching but not as much as [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► you but I spent a lot time watching the [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► shows too so all I can do is be the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► annoying person of like are you sure you [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► want to do it that way like I can be [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► like that guy which is the worst [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► possible Robles that guy yet know it cuz [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► like I know just enough to be a little [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► like criticize and make stupid comments [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► about something but not enough to [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► actually do it right myself or to [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► realize what the way they did is [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► actually correct not what not my amateur [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► view of what holmes on homes would think [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► is the right thing to do any i keep [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► watching them though like I'm severe [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► sigh still have season passes for those [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► shows I still watch them so then you're [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► up to date on the latest technologies [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► really just mold generation technologies [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► criticizing and in making snarky [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► comments whatever it is you said that [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► isn't that pretty much our show in a [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► nutshell just criticizing from afar not [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► really knowing what we're talking about [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► but I like to think that we at least III [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► think we know more about what we [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► criticize on this show then I know about [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► home repairs yes yes I would say that's [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► definitely the case because if the very [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► least all of us do a lot of things [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► related to the things we're talking [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► about whereas despite me watching home [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► improvement shows from my entire life [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► I've never built the house not even once [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► alright so we should start as always [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► with some follow-up and somebody I think [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► John phrased this section as pouring [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► cold water on Apple USBC notions and so [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► we talked last episode about whether or [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► not the forthcoming iphone will call it [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► for the purposes of this conversation [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the iphone 8 whether the phone itself [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► will have a USBC port on it and there [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► was a Wall Street Journal report that [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► seemed ambiguously to say yes and then [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► ming-chi Kuo has come out and said well [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► we believe all three new iPhones [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► launching launching in the second half [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► of 20 [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► 17 will support fast charging by the [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► adoption of type C power delivery [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► technology while still retaining [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► lightning port so probably sticking with [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► lightning port which I think I'm in [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► support of but having listened to most [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► of the shows that that are like ours I [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► cover this sort of thing I feel like I'm [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► the only one which makes me wonder if [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► I'm just the old man of the crowd all of [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► a sudden I was hoping this was a [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► reaction to the wall street journal [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► story which was weird man big us and had [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► everyone talk about us bc and then [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► ming-chi kuo just says no no here I know [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► how to speak in sentences to have [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► meaning that is clear to the reader [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► every single new iphone coming this year [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► will have a lightning port on the bottom [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► boom done and so I'm hoping is just [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► simply a clarification I'm hoping what [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► it's not is like a competing rumor of [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► you know without any particular [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► foundation but it certainly seemed like [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► that ambiguous story was out there there [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► was a lot of chatter and then this thing [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► came and just shut everybody up and said [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► it's the boring thing never mind yeah I [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► mean at some point I think makes you [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► quit needs to evolve into just the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► dalrymple just nope yep no I think you [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► know as we said last show this we all [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► thought this was fairly unlikely to be [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► the case that they would have that they [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► would replace the Lightning port with [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► USBC port I do think it is still worth [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► considering as a thought experiment I do [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► think that if they were to actually like [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► get drunk and do this I I would actually [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► welcome that change I think it would be [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► it would be temporary pain but long term [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► would be great and Apple usually airs on [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► that side of that kind of decision [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► ultimately though I still think it's [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► very unlikely with with one little [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► exception that we keep hearing from [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► people about the EU regulations about [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► phones all having the same connector and [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► for the for the last few years ever [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► since the introduction of lightning [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► basically the EU said all phones have to [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► have you know what used to be micro USB [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► i have not also been following this very [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► closely but what I keep hearing from [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► people is that that regulation is [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► getting more strict now and that apple [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► will no longer [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► be able to get away with just shipping [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► an adapter that that converts light into [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► USB to microUSB rather or in this case I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► assume it's USBC so there's something [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► going on there where the EU is putting [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► pressure on Apple and I don't know if I [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► can negotiate their way out of it again [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► but there that there might be something [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► there you know like that there might be [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► a strong reason for Apple to say okay [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► you know what in addition to all the [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► other reasons we have to get rid of [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► lightning and switched us bc these days [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it would also probably cause less [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► friction with the EU and any other kind [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► of similar regulatory body around the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► world that might get in the way you know [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► I wouldn't expect in the next [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► three-and-a-half to seven years that the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► US would really care that much about [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► reducing waste in a regulation but I [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► imagine other countries that that [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► actually have functioning governments [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► probably all have similar goals yeah [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► that would be awesome right they [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► probably all have similar goals of like [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► you know reducing electronic waste and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► standardizing on things that really [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► matter and stuff like that and so I [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► think apples gonna keep getting pressure [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► from large markets you know if I mean if [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► China did it game over right like [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► imagine if China said okay Fortis [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► telephone and China after the after you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know 2017 it has to have us bc on the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► bottom what lightning would be gone the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► next day you know so they can make two [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► different they make two different models [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► one for that market they've made [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► different models with different things [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► inside them before but like I China [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► could do something like that but my [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► understanding of the EU thing is not [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► it's not like Apple can't sell it I [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► think it's more like a guideline or [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► agreement and I'm sure there's some kind [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► of carrot and stick thing where if you [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► follow along with the agreement [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► voluntarily there's you get some boon or [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► whatever but I'm not convinced that it's [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► a type of thing where like if Apple [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► doesn't do it then they can't cell phone [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► in Europe and if it wasn't China we're [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► trying to can say guess what you have to [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► do this no matter what like actually [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► make a requirement I think they would [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► make a different model if if the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► conversation had not been one inside [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► Apple for us be entirely because making [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► a different model for China's and is [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► probably fine I mean and they have done [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that in the past for other things but it [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► seems like you know there's arguments on [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► both sides of whether they should do [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► this or not [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► and so if there's a big thing external a [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► big external factor that tips them one [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► way or the other they would probably go [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that way right and so if there's like a [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► major world market of buying phones that [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► demands in a pretty strong way or [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► absolutely requires that they that they [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► have the standard port on the bottom [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► instead of their proprietary report that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► would probably be enough to sway the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► argument one way or the other if there [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► were no like massive downsides that we [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► aren't thinking of you know if they're [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► some kind of major engineering challenge [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► of doing it but you know on a brand new [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► phone that they could that they have [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► designed separately from the iphone 7 [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► and 6 god I hope I assuming we finally [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► get a new design then they could totally [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► do it and I don't see any obvious [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► downside we talked to elastic anyway I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► still don't think it's likely i still [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► think the most likely scenario is what [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► makes you quote said where yeah this [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► rumor from the washer no that was [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► horribly written got the facts wrong and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► it's actually just us bc on the charger [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► end that's the that's the way more [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► likely explanation here but i still do [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► think it would be better to go us bc on [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► both ends or at least the phone end and [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► there might be better reason to do that [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► we don't know so the hardware mine virus [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► worked on me because i was getting all [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► excited about us bc phones until i read [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► this cold water story oh my god [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► nevermind but really what happened [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► related to this is my nintendo switch [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► did arrive which maybe we'll talk about [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► later and and i got a pro controller [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► with it and this is the first device [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► besides my apple TV which i never plug [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► in the USB see things into that i had [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► occasion to see and mess with us bc [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► connectors with what i got my pro [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► control i had to plug it in to charge it [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► and there's a little USBC connector [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► inside the little switch dock or [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► whatever and so i'm holding here the the [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► pro controller charging cable and when i [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► took us out of the box and plugged it in [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► I my immediate thought was oh no way is [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► Apple gonna you ever use this thing it's [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► huge like I know it's not that much [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► bigger than the Lightning it is barely [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► bigger than lightning but just seeing it [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► in real life like can you imagine how [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► putting this thing on the phone no no [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► way in hell like obviously this is just [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► my gut reaction like I'm not using my [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► brain at that point but my my visceral [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► reaction [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► disconnect here was how massive it was [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► compared to lightning I was like if I [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► was inside Apple I would like recoil in [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► horror at the star of the conversation [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► of like remind me again what we do in [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► line again it would take a look at this [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► look at this giant we can't we can't [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► have this on our phones ridiculous [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► what's next vga ports Oh God um it [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► really is i know that much bigger I know [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► I know I was like it it cracked me up [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that that was my reaction like it is not [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► that much really I have a lighting [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► partner right next to and I'm hold it up [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► next to like it is bare millimeters but [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► the fact that it's wider and also [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► thicker it just makes it seem so much [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► more matte so then it doesn't help that [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► like I have one of the good old [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► lightning connectors here that in front [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► of me with a very small plastic part [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► that's barely bigger than the metal part [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► like it looks so small and dainty it's [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► almost like the lightning can go inside [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► a USBC port well it almost can because [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► of the the gender flows between the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► connector and the and the wire you know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► like like and and that's actually the i [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► suspect i don't know those for sure i [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► have lived that that deeply into it but [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► i suspect the design of us bc probably [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► permits for there to be less clearance [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► around the port opening like I bet you [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► can shrink the device thickness closer [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► around the port size with us bc then you [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► could around lightning because lighting [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► has to have all the pins and everything [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► on the inside as opposed to us bc which [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► has just like you know the flat [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► conductors on the inside so i would [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► imagine there might be something there [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► with you see also they have tons of room [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► they got rid of the headphone jack and [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► this other speaker on the bottom is fake [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► so they have tons of room I mean I mean [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► thickness wise obviously with the [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► they're not at a loss for but anyway [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► it's it's it's not that big of a deal [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► and I still I still think it would be [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► cool for them to go us bc but this rumor [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► seems to say they're not and so we're [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► back to the default universe of Apple [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► where it's lighting for a while longer [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► yet what I do wish for at least since we [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► since we're probably not going to get [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► our our USBC on both ends cable does [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► anybody make the USBC equivalent of [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► these wonderful anchor like five port [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► USB chargers like all I've seen out [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► there are charges that have one USBC [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► port I have not seen any that have like [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► five like I would love to standardize on [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► just one cable type and just like it [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► might like I I'm traveling soon and I'm [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► packing my travel [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► bag and I have to have all these [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► different cable types because it's like [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► well I need every combination of [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► something on one end and something else [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► on the other end and like everything [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► between us be a USB see lightning [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► microUSB like I have all these stupid [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► cable types and these 50 different [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► chargers come on I mean anyway so I hope [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► I hope there's I hope the USBC ecosystem [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► blooms soon because when it does that [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► will be even more reason for Apple to [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► please for the love of God change the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► iphone use USB see speaking of vga you [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► better hope USB a USB type a connector [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► doesn't turn out to be the vga port [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► hangouts reference you remember like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► remember how long vga held on we had so [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► many other standards that like it was [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► just like you could not get rid of ej [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► just eight states ee on the side of pc [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► laptops they stubbornly on projectors [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► long after multiple better smaller [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► standards existed and really hoping the [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► USBA hasn't like gained enough momentum [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► that it will not be dislodged by us bc [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► for like an extra you know five to ten [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► years just because that will be said you [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► know it's certain sometimes transitions [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► are easier like the second time through [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► in this case like the transition from [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► dock connector to lightning it was very [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► painful but a lot of people took that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► opportunity to not just go to lightning [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► for their devices or needs but to just [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► go directly to wireless to airplay and [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► bluetooth is like that with the with the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► vga in conference room projector [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► situation I wonder like how many [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► conference rooms actually just went from [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► VGA to DVI or lightning and how many [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► just switched to other solutions like [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► air playing to an apple TV or something [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like that well it's fucking for someone [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► doesn't spend a lot of time in corporate [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► America ya know they don't have their [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► play though airplay as airplay is not [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► the answer but I gotta tell you so my [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► office is all in on the Google ecosystem [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► which it at first glance for an apple [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► centric show like ours might sound [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► terrible but truth be told it actually [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► works out really well and so in most [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► conference rooms there's a chromebox and [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► I don't know enough about chrome boxes [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► to know if there's something special [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► about them like I've seen the physical [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► cardboard boxes that the chromebox comes [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► in and I think it says like chromebox [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► for meetings or something like that on [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► it the specific specific [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► it doesn't matter but what ends up [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► happening is there's a TV in each of [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► these conference rooms there's a [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► chromebox hooked up to the TV and the [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► chromebox shows like that rooms schedule [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► for the day and you just select you know [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► the the current oftentimes the currently [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► active button and that will jump into [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► the google hangouts for that meeting and [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► not having used Google Hangouts prior to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► coming to the company i had heard like a [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► lot of mixed things about it i thought [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it would be kind of garbage but it's [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► actually pretty nice and that what we'll [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► do is if you are trying to present [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► something to the meeting you just hop on [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► the Hangout on your laptop and it will [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it will thus it implicitly go to the TV [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► in the conference room and it will also [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► be presented to anyone that happens to [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► be remote as well it works out [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► surprisingly well and yes there's [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► hiccups and coughs and whatnot from time [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► to time but it's really solid I was very [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► surprised how much I've really gotten to [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► like hangouts in this regard when your [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► other choices WebEx anything looks good [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► yeah that's true too amen brother I have [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► so well before we get on topic of [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► conference rooms like I remember going [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► through this several years back at work [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► when we were going through a corporate I [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► don't know disturbance upsetedness about [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► conference room tech like everyone was [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► cranky about it especially the tech [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► people and we tried all those things we [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► had a Google box we tried to Google [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► Hangouts and I you know airplane to [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► Apple TVs came up because if you look at [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► how much money all the equipment we had [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► that we were installing to see how much [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► it was costing it's like an apple TV is [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► nothing compared to that and this is yet [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► another market that Apple could have [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► done well in with either a dedicated [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► product like a chromecast or just by [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► making apple TV better but it was [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► basically a non-starter partially [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► because you know no airplay on PCs and [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► everything but we had a lot of Max and I [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► don't think that would have stopped it [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► mainly because it was so much of a pain [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► to get Apple TV's on to the corporate [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► network you could do it but you needed a [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► special weird utility and it wasn't [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► simple and no one wanted to go through [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► with that so now instead of being able [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► to bring your mac into the room and [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► airplay to the projector you plug into [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► one of the 800 cables that's poking out [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► of this giant Hydra one of hgs is still [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► vga [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► who knows what they're going to do if [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► and when my work ever buys the new [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► laptops that have the USBC connectors [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► because most of the time in mac users [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► plugged in to hdmi these days yeah i [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► have to mention to like hdmi because you [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► know Vijay was analog and then we [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► finally got DVI and then HDMI which is [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► basically DVI with bonus stuff attached [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► to it I feel like it's easier to adapt [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► to the to the new digital standards [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► these days and HDMI is also pretty [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► pretty well supported now I mean I don't [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► think it's I don't think it's as big [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► like as universal as vga was at its peak [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► but I think it's getting there and and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► it's going to be fairly trivial for [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► almost any new port standard to adapt to [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► hdmi for the foreseeable future if this [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► is going to be in such high demand every [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► new device that has video out capability [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► will have some way to transit that's a [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► HDMI for a long time so I think that [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► it's mostly a moot point these days [TS]

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00:23:27 ◼   ► spec is two-way power devices choose [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► what charges what based on the order of [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► plugging them in so aim at hood charge [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► the switch so this is Harry way to do it [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► it really is this is with regard to the [TS]

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00:23:47 ◼   ► switch into one of the new macbook pros [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► and they said oh this is weird the [TS]

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00:23:52 ◼   ► rather than what you would expect which [TS]

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00:23:57 ◼   ► talking about so i had heard separately [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► from a not reliable source that that was [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► actually a firmware issue with the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► switch but this indicates that it's all [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► about who plugs into what when which is [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► kind of bananas the fact that it [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► wouldn't be deterministic like that it [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► would like imagine imagine like in real [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► life you know anybody using these [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► devices who isn't intricately familiar [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► with the USBC spec you know oh I [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► accidentally plug this in backwards and [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► depleted the device that I was trying to [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► charge plug your phone into your laptop [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and it drains [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► run to climb yeah why would you design [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► spec that who knows III haven't looked [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► this obviously but i think is actually a [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► reasonable way for things to work in the [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► absence of anything else dictating and i [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► would imagine if you plug a phone into [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► an apple out you know an iphone into an [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► apple laptop they have already they [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► already have a system through some [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► resistor values some other crap to [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► ensure that it never goes in the [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► opposite direction but if you have two [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► devices that are basically from their [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► perspective but I don't know making up [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► terminology of like to host devices like [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► laptop and the switch that's as [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► reasonable way as any if they both [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► expect to be the thing charging but [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► their plugs into each other there has to [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► be some kind of negotiations a plug [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► water sounds fine but I would hope that [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► for the common case where it's like one [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► really big one and one really small one [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► like I would hope that the phone doesn't [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► have the power to charge anything I mean [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► I suppose it does it powers like audio [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► peripherals but it's not charging them [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► right now barely yeah all right daniel [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► klein rights in us bc vs lightning isn't [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► the middle part of us bc a lot more [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► breakable than the solid lightning [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► connector in he continues more important [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► than springs i'm not entirely sure what [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► he's referring to there like the little [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► springing bits this is a my concern [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► about the USBC before seeing them and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► even when you see you can kind of you [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► know look and look into the the female [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► connector on us bc and you see the [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► little circuit board thing with the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► contacts sticking out and in theory you [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► can stick your finger nail in there and [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► just crack that thing down your port is [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► dead I haven't don't have enough [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► real-world experience plugging and [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► unplugging USBC to say how fragile that [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► thing is and how likely it is to either [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► get stuff jammed around it or break [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► these are all question marks I would [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► imagine that it is probably sturdier [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► than you think because it's wedged up in [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► there and unless you actually stick [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► something in there to get at it it's not [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► it's not some place where it can get [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► bumped or hit or anything and when the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► connector is around it it's very secure [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► because it's a police surrounded by the [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► thing so I'm going to give them the [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► benefit of the doubt give Apple the [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► benefit out of rubber design is [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► connector that that it is okay and what [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► this question maybe think about and some [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► other people who ask similar questions [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► about the springy bits in the contacts [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► and maybe think about my what I was [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► saying last show about how it is better [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► to have the springy bits in the cable [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► because if they fatigue didn't start [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► making bad contacts you just threw out [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► the cable and get a new cable where it's [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► the springy bits fatigue inside your [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► iPhone what can you do there's not much [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► you can do about it but that was in the [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► context of the hardware virus where the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► the springy bits get less springy and [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► don't contact well with the contacts and [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► start arcing and make a little Bernie [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► spot and that Bernie spot doesn't [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► connect with other one it spreads from [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► things the thing seems to me that that [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► could still happen no matter where the [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► springy bits are because if it starts [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► arcing because the springy bits in your [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► cable or bad it's going to leave that [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► little scorch mark on the the stationary [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► part inside the female USBC connector [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you won't see it you won't see the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► little stripy thing but it'll be there [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► which means that even after you throw [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► out the cable now one of your contacts [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► inside your USBC connector inside the [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► female end is a little bit scorchy and [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► so when you stick your brand spanking [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► new cable that you bought in there it's [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► going to have poor contact with the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► score so like that that it could still [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► happen what is what I'm saying now I [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► guess it's all depends on how resilient [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the springy bits are maybe it's the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► design of the springing bits this [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► different they certainly you know look [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► different if you look inside the [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► connectors and they do inside lighting [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► so I don't know again it's very [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► difficult to eyeball these things based [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► on like the few people you know and your [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► guesstimation by looking at connectors [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► only the companies that make the [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► products have actual numbers and they [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► don't seem to be sharing them but I [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► imagine if there is a large reliability [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► difference between lightning and USB see [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► we as a society will learn that together [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► over the next few years because even [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► though we won't have the data eventually [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► it'll be clear is there some sort of [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► widespread problem with this and not a [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► widespread problem with that or is there [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► problems with both of them or you know [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► like I imagined it'll be about a wash [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► but we'll say Jeff Spivak writes more [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► naked robotic macbook pros and there's a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► link to yanko design which has a super [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► case for your macbook what the deuce is [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► going on here it's just like the macbook [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► pro this isn't a macro pro this is a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► macbook but hey you know these these [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► laptops at apple mix have us bc and or a [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► thunderbolt three ports on them but [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► don't have any other reports that people [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► wanted no SD card slot no big honkin USB [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► a slot or whatever maybe you want more [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► battery on it and these sort of cases [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► for your laptop's that plug into the USB [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► see and or Thunderbolt three port [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► and add a bunch of other ports just like [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► one of those adapters or docks that they [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► sell it or external and maybe also add [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► the battery and so here you go Nick [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► robotic or of your macbook you want it [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► to be thicker and a little bit heavier [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► and have an SD card slot in the USB a [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► thing and another USBC pass through and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► I might micro USB I can't even tell what [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► the hell this thing has on it anyway you [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► want a bunch more ports and you want to [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► talk like an ugly pc laptop with a bunch [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► of plastic crap get this way to sell it [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► it doesn't look good but I'm saying it's [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► like this is this is one hundred percent [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the naked robotic or as applied to max [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like we made it as small and as thin as [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► possible if you want something different [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► you can add it like the tech is there [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► you know like all the like all those [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► breakout docks and adapters like the [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► tech is there you could put an Ethernet [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► port in this thing right go ahead and [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► it's kind of amazing that this you add [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► this thing to it and it makes your [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► laptop like seven times thicker but it [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► really does on one side have us be a in [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► an SD card slot on the other side have [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► another USB a USBC in a micro USB or [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► wherever the hell it may be just another [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► USB see I can't tell like suddenly your [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► macbook one is macbook way more than one [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► yeah this this thing is is something [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► else I I do commend the effort of things [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► like this to make these lifetimes more [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► useful but i think they are destined to [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► have the same problem the same thing i [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► was complaining about with with battery [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► backpacks on phones that all of the like [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► casing and electronics overhead of [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► having to have like the separate [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► standalone device with its own plastic [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► on both sides and its own like metal [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► shielding and different parts and [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► charging opponents and discharging [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► components and everything else like the [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► additional bulk of having to bolt this [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► on as an external thing makes the entire [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► package end up being so bigger so much [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► bigger and heavier than if you had a [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► laptop that just had these things in the [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► first place built in that it just [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► doesn't it just seem compelling to me [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► and so the alternative in apple's [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► universe assuming apple doesn't actually [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► make a machine that has the ports that [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► you want on it like the apple does make [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► these things with a very capable port on [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► it that is capable of supporting opus [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► like the reason he's going to exist [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► because there is a capable the apple [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► turnip is a whole mess of adapters and [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► hours and we look at this we sell ways [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► and ugly as it inconvenient it makes it [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► thicker it makes it heavier is it uglier [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► and more inconvenient than a whole mess [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► of adapters or an external breakout box [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► doc I mean it really depends on the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► environment you're using it I wouldn't [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► want to be I would be more happy [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► carrying this from conference room to [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► conference room attending a series of [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► meetings no matter how ugly it is [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► because it's self-contained and I don't [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► have to have like put down my laptop [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► then dumped on the table a handful of [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► adapters or a breakout box or this big [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► Hydra of cables like that that is worse [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► in many ways for a machine that is [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► supposed to be portable so yes it is [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► technically possible to plug in a bunch [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► of wires it kind of reminds me of those [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► old imac ads were they would you like [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the pc with a million wires poking out [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► of the back of it and sure like the imac [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► and how clean it wasn't you didn't need [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► all this stuff just one power cable [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► right that's some of the mouse that is [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► like every macbook one that people use [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► to get anything beyond like the basics [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► done on yeah i really they're using [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► their own computer for that but even I I [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► recall seeing like if you ever see a [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► picture of a real persons like not just [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► a marketing shot but someone who bought [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► a mac pro and uses it for work bought a [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► trash can to work as a million wires [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► coming out of it and it looks for all [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► the world like those ugly pcs I'm not [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► saying this is the wrong solution but [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► it's kind of like how they always show [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► like lamps in product shots without [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► wires coming from them or like [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► appliances like there's never any wires [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► like wait how does that lamp get power [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► they erase the wires because wires are [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► ugly they don't want you to see them [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► when they're showing a picture like you [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► know here is Samsung's fancy new TV they [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► don't show the wires coming out of it [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► because that's ugly you know even when [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► they show the back of it they don't show [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the wires they want to show you all the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► ports wires are ugly and inconvenient [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► and make your products look worse and [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► are generally annoying to wrangle and so [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► as ugly as this weird little sleeve [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► thing is i hope the signal is sending to [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► Apple is hey Apple if you made a laptop [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► that made a different set of compromises [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► you may be able to you know I feel like [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► it should be apples job to make sure [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► that no one ever wants to buy this thing [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► and maybe they don't want to buy just [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► because it's ugly but say they had [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► Justin SD card slot as we've discussed [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► on the macbook pro 13-inch would that [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► satisfy everybody know because it [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► doesn't have micro you know USB and and [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the USB a ports or whatever but it would [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► satisfy slightly more people and what [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► would the cost be so it's very difficult [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► knowing what what the right compromise [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► is for the complement of ports I do like [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► the idea that things like this are [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► possible I don't like the idea that [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► people would be driven to buy them [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► because they're you know they're going [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► to say they're they're not of Apple [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► quality for the most part yeah i mean [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► this like you know what you said like if [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► Apple were to allow us to make a [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► different set of compromises if you had [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► to boil down all of my complaints about [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► Apple's hardware lineup from the last [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► five years or so that's it like I wish [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Apple would allow me the choice of [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► different compromises because for the [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► most part they tend to enforce the same [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► compromises on their entire product line [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► on every member of the family so for [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► instance like you know all the laptops [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► are now hidden lights which sacrifice [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► ports and now keyboard usability and [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► trackpad usability like they set for the [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► things in the name of thinness and for a [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► lot of people that's great it's great to [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► have that as an option in the lineup but [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► I just wish it wasn't now the only [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► option in the lineup and I think [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► products like this just show that there [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► is still substantial demand even though [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► you know any any given one of these [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► types of things is not going to sell [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► very well I don't think but I think it [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► says something that this is not the [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► first thing we've seen like this and [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► there's also the whole you know beyond [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► just like the whole like you know new [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► bottom case thing like this that you [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► kind of sit the laptop in there's also [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the entire ecosystem of all these [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► different USBC hubs that like almost [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► every macbook one owner has one of these [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► hubs at least one if not like seven from [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► different Kickstarter's and everything [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► like this really says I think Apple I [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► wish Apple would would look at these [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► results and and realize like it would be [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► better it would be better for a lot of [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► customers to just have different choices [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► not just to be able to pick your given [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► screen size of the same compromised [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► ultra thin laptop we are sponsored this [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► week by away go to away travel calm / [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► ATP for twenty dollars off your order [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► use promo code ATP during checkout away [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► makes basically like modern-day nicely [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► thoughtfully designed luggage at great [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► value prices so these are ways to [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► are made with premium German [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► polycarbonate which is unrivaled and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► strengthened impact resistance and very [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► lightweight the interior is incredibly [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► thoughtfully designed if you use a [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► patent-pending compression systems you [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► could fill a lot in there they of course [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► have for full spinning wheels for a [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► smooth ride if you never you never used [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► force for Bill two cases it's a pretty [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► big of greater for to build two cases [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► they've of course a TSA approved [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► combination locked onto the top they [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► also have a couple interesting things [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► like a removable washable laundry bag so [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► when you're out traveling you put all [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► your dirty clothes in this removable [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► washable laundry bag that's built into [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► the suitcase so you always have with you [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► and it keeps a separate from your finger [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► from your other clothes and it's easy to [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► take out later and wash and they also in [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► their carry-on model this is incredibly [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► thoughtful you might you might have [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► heard about this elsewhere in their [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► carry-on model they have a built-in USB [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► charging battery so you can plug in cell [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► phones tablets e-readers and anything [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► else that's USB powered you can plug it [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► in and charge it with your carry-on [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► suitcase from away a single charge of [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the OA carry-ons internal battery can [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► charge your iPhone 5 times and if [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► anything ever breaks on these suitcases [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► away will fix or replace it for you for [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► life they have a lifetime warranty and [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► of course because you're buying a [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► suitcase on the internet which sounds [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► kind of weird they have you covered [TS]

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00:37:03 ◼   ► three months and then decide after that [TS]

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00:37:11 ◼   ► questions asked so check it out today [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► these are really thoughtfully designed [TS]

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00:37:42 ◼   ► alright so we're going to start tonight [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► with four starting tonight sort of with [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► a couple maybe all three of us ipad [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► grumps talking about windows or [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► windowing i guess i should say on iOS [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► and Stephen Trent Smith who is uh [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► probably the best iOS hacker and I don't [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► know I hate using that term on [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► ironically but I don't know what else to [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► call him I don't think he would take [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► offense yeah I don't mean it in a [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► disparaging way anyways he has been [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► putting together over the last week or [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► so basically a windowing system for iOS [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► I guess specifically for ipad and it is [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► absolutely bananas how impressive it [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► looks and how fluid he's gotten it to [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► look and there are several tweets about [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► well there's many tweets about it we'll [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► put one or two in the show notes but [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► what's of interest to us I guess is he [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► tweeted phone call from app review side [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► by side windows fine resizable windows [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► fine overlapping windows scream emoji [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► apparently app review does not like the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► idea of having two windows or views on [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► top of each other and this relates to [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► one of my favorite ipad apps not [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► necessarily in terms of how much I've [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► used it but just I think it's an [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► unbelievably clever idea which is panics [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► status board app which if you're not [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► familiar is basically you can arrange a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► series of widgets on the iPad screen and [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► use your iPad a status board or if you [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► want to you could plug it into a TV and [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► use a whole TV as a status board powered [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► by an iPad and it's very similar to this [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► and so cable sasser of panax says stone [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► our blog CMS as a never posted goodbye [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► status board post from the time Apple [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► said widgets are okay but we can't have [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► more than one widget and this post [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► included an illustration that may have [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► helped change their minds and it's an [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► illustration of this humongous TV with [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► as little teeny tiny widget on it trying [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► make the point of you know this is kind [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► of ridiculous so I know this there's [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► kind of a lot to unpack here but before [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► anything else I do I am so unbelievably [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► stunned and impressed by what Stephen [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► Trump Smith is done with this iPad my I [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► was gonna call it a mock-up but I mean [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► it's it's working it's real it's a tech [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► demo yeah that's a much better term for [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► it it's so freaking cool he basically [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► made finder yeah like a really simple [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► version of finder with with like Finder [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► windows and everything be able to browse [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► files and preview the van everything [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► it's pretty impressive it's kinda like [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► the Mac os10 finder anyway not the real [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► fun yeah and and it's at the point of it [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► is not to be like a useful application [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► the point of it is I I think to to show [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► off like here's a really easy obvious [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► way that you could do when doing on on [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► iPads and let's see how how it actually [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► behaves and works like is it useful is [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► it easy to do is it confusing or does it [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► just kind of work and so far I think it [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► just kind of works you left off the last [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► few tweets here which I think are [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► important both both Steven and cables [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► things so Steve continues after his [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► scared face emoji or screaming face i [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► had another Chris sorry Casey I didn't [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► know the correct name of that emoji and [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► chrome couldn't handle it so I can [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► actually taste it if only we had a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► resource on this show somebody who was [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► really an emoji expert uh he handled it [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► and he read right over scared face and [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► he replaced it with the correct which of [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► I assume was the correct one cuz will [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► this was deferred to him he's fluent in [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► emoji right hello here so this is about [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► a perv you saying the side by side [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► window you know overlapping windows is [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► no good right so saying effectively this [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► is merely an informal heads up that if [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► it were to be submitted to the app store [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► with overlapping windows would be [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► rejected remember he's not a submitting [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► an application of the app store he's [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► just doing like tech demos on Twitter [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► and he gets a phone call from a ver you [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► saying by the way if you were to submit [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that no all right and so the final bit [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► here is this is why the ipad can't have [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► nice things you're stuck waiting for [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► Apple to innovate which is exactly the [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► point of all just like who knows this is [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► a good idea maybe this is a terrible [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► idea but if Apple is going to not just [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► enforce a set of guidelines in terms of [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► quality and viruses and advertising and [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► you know adult content and all sorts of [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► other things that the app store does but [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► to at the lab at this [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► level to say you know you do whatever [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► you want if you're making a game and you [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► like it like you make a bunch of gooeys [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► but in the in-between place where you [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► try to make your own GUI we're going to [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► say no to that and it's like Apple you [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► don't look like it's a third-party [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► application maybe it's a terrible idea [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► when everyone hated maybe it's a great [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► idea and you'll end up stealing it like [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► pull to refresh you have to allow [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► application developers to do things like [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► this with the devices that you're making [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► like this is not a ridiculous notion [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► right and and maybe if it was more [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► ridiculous would be allowed because [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► again games gonna like look at my whole [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► screen is a big OpenGL view I can do [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► whatever the hell you want an apple is [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► not going to be like Oh your menu system [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► in this racing game looks a little bit [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► weird like they don't care it's fine but [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► this looks too much like a regular UI [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► and this is not like the image that [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Apple wants for their thing and I feel [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► like this starts to cross a line of your [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► not ensuring quality in the app store [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► you are constraining the you know you're [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► constraining innovation like legitimate [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► innovation not he's not trolling with [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► this he's trying out a interface idea an [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► interface idea that is just as valid is [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► half the other people's terrible uses of [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► UI kit then end up being terrible [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► interfaces maybe it'll be terrible to [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► who knows but why is this not allowed [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► but so many other like sketching [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► applications that have like drag off [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► palette so you can float it's like well [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► that's okay because the background is [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► your painting or your sketch that you're [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► doing and that's not a window and then [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► the things I floating on top of it our [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► windows but they can't overlap with each [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► other it's it's ridiculous like and so [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► we are forced to wait for Apple to [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► slowly but you know perhaps surely [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► perhaps not decide what it's going to do [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► with this whole window okay pic picture [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► and picture is fine and Apple do that [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► and make an official API for it can we [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► have any other floating windows up all [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the windows hmm maybe one or two and [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► apps allow but don't try to solve the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► whole problem in the general purpose way [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► because only apples allowed to do that [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► so you're so it the users of the ipad [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► the users of iOS are stuck waiting for [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► Apple to figure out what to do it is [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► impossible for third parties to innovate [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► on iOS devices because Apple simply [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► won't let them and that is terrible [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► because most of the awesome innovations [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► on the mac and many of them on iOS came [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► from third-party developers that did [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► something it became popular Apple saw [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► and said well that's a good idea we [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► should build that into the US or [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► incorporate a similar mark [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► or you know by super clock about clock [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► in the menu bar I mean come on come on [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► Apple this is super disappointing [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► especially there / actively dickish [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► about it call him saying yeah you better [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► not submit that to the outdoors will [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► reject it just so you know hold on [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► though was that I don't think that was [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► out of the blue and I might have this [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► wrong but my interpretation which may be [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► my own fabrication was that he had [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► submitted it for like test flight or [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► something and so as part of that he got [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► like a little mini review and it was [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► then that it was brought to apples [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► attention and then that they called him [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► and were like oh no that's not going to [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► work but it either way like it but [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► whether even if you officially submitted [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► the bottom line is that they are they're [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► saying you are not allowed to innovate [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► in this way which i think is ridiculous [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► let the app die on its own if it's a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► terrible idea right it's not it you know [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► it's not malware well so there's there's [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► been this rule i just checked it's still [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► there there's been this rule this app [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► review rule since i think the first [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► publication of a preview rules back [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► whenever that was like 2009-2010 and [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► it's rule number 258 apps that create [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► alternate desktop or home screen [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► environments where simulate multi app [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► widget experiences will be rejected I [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► know like Launch Center pro had that [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► problem a while back to I think that's [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► girl rule as bogus to you know I think I [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► do but but I think it's worth it's worth [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► questioning why that rule is there and [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► it might just be some like you know [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► crazy Steve Jobs control freak old over [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► but there also might be good reasons for [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► so it might be for instance like they [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► don't want like another app to basically [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► like start like its own entire app [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► ecosystem within it self like although [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► it's you can kind of argue that's kind [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► of what like whatsapp do does and [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► everything but and snapchat anyway [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► Facebook geez anyway but I think there's [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► probably like this rule is probably not [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► helping innovation overall it is this is [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► probably holding things back now that [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► being said you know support for any kind [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► of like windowing system like this to [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► get anywhere the way to do it in iOS is [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► for Apple to do it like it's it's never [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► get anywhere you know in the market like [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► this well I disagree if it was actually [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► a good idea and it was implemented in [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► a popular or soon to be popular widely [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► used creative application like for [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► example of Adobe Illustrator came and it [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► had tear-off pouts that you could [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► overlap and rearrange just like the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► desktop one right they'll be disallowed [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► under the under these stupid overlapping [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► real things you can overlap to pouts [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► with each other but if it was popular on [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that application and people liked it on [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► their big ipad pro every competitor [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► application would be scrambling to [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► implement that any new competitor in the [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► market would say if i want to make a [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► professional vector drawing application [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► on the 12 inch ipad pro i need to have [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► these floating overlapping palettes [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► because the market leader has them and [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► everybody loves them and if i don't have [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► them you know what i mean like let the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► idea live and die on its own i agree [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► that if you're going to say okay well [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► individual applications good window only [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► Apple can do that period and that's fine [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► but just to see bearing out the idea of [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► like is it is it ridiculous to have [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► people poking their fingers at window [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► which is this is a dumb idea does it not [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► work in a touch interface like the only [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► way you will know is by trying you can [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► think about you do the mental exercise [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► and be like oh I don't want to drag [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► around a window with a title bar how [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► would I arrange them how does it work [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► you have to try like I feel like it's [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► this is the role of third-party [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► developers if someone wants to muck with [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► that and see if it's useful I think you [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► can get a result that says either this [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► is useful and maybe would be even more [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► useful if applied broadly by Apple but [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► even just within the confines of an [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► application just like the floating [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► palettes that are in a lot of [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► applications now where there's one [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► floating thing that you can tear off and [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► move around that I think it's proof is [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► proving its own utility because you [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► don't know where it has to be and if [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► it's always stuck to the side it's kind [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► of difficult let the person move it [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► around so it's out of their way when [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► they're drawing but it lets them sort of [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► configure their tool set and you know [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► push it off to the side where they want [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it like I think that is an idea that is [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► showing its value merely one confined to [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► third-party applications and this is [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► just taking to the next step and maybe [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► it's a step too far and it's a terrible [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► idea but Apple you just got to let [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► people try it have you seen a panel kit [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► which is apparently an open source [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► framework to do these kind of like snap [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► to the side and like sticky popover [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► panels sort of things there's a really [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► good animated gif that's on the readme [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► for this thing and we'll put a link in [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► the show notes but it's not exactly [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► apples to apples what Steve Robin Smith [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► was doing but it's very much of a [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► similar spirit and it looks really like [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I haven't looked [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► but just the demonstration looks really [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► good yeah I mean I I think that the the [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► more productive conversation to have on [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► on this kind of thing is not like how we [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► can get Apple to let it through wrap [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► review because let's face it they won't [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► or if they suddenly have a change of [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► heart on an ancient rule like this it [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► won't be because of us but I think it's [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► worth all these things panel kit and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► Steve Tran Smith uh you know his his [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► thing whatever it doesn't have an [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► official name don't look so uh you know [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► I i think it's it's worth talking about [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► and I think this is probably why he made [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► it it's worth talking about like does [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► this work on iOS and do you think [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► there's a future of windowed apps in [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► some form like this on on iPads I don't [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► know so yeah on that topic like cuz I I [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► brought this up several shows back when [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► what was it we were talking about that [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► had the floating thing is when we [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► originally talked about picture and [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► picture and there was some application [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► that also had a floating hang on top of [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► it oh I don't know you got all the [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► references yeah it was a thing that we [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► took come on chat room mark will cut [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► this out as we discover it what was a [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► floating iPad keyboard si si oh that [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► thing okay you're right yeah it was a [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► floating keyboard that i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► Steve Tretton Smith also found yes [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► secret a hidden API private api for to [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► put a keyboard there wasn't just the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► bottom of your screen it's lit up from [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► the bottom but rather was a floating [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► keyboard that was much smaller that you [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► could move wherever you want it on the [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► screen and that's that made me say this [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► is kind of like a window and we have [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► another example of that which is [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► picture-in-picture there's another kind [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► of window basically a little square [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► that's on the screen that you can move [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► wherever you want it more or less within [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► constraints blah blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► which is different than the traditional [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► iOS experience which is a panel comes in [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► from aside or goes out from whatever but [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► you can't move it around right and that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► that was me initiating a larger [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► discussion about windows with a [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► lowercase W on iOS spawned by this you [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► know hidden keyboard type thing and we [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► also talked about some existing iOS [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► applications like drawing applications [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► that house will have floating palettes [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► usually only one of them and it floats [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► over the background which is your [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► drawing but that is the thing a lot of [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► people are trying and what I was trying [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► to pitch them was that [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► as if you want to keep taking the iPad [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► even more and more pro in addition to [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► making the screen bigger and especially [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► when you do make the screen bigger you [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► want to make better use of that screen [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► and one proven way to let people make [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► use of a larger screen is to give them [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► different regions of it to do things [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► more than just splitting it up into [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► halves or thirds or whatever but even [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► within an application to be able to move [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► things around to arrange things the way [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► they want them now the thing I them add [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► to this conversation here is based on [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► things that have been discussed on other [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► podcasts starring my curly but also on [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► cortex that's also him and cg b great [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► talking about their multi ipad type [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► things and all for all the people out [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► there whose it's multipad soon as I come [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► on yes right now or or phones and iPads [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► which is just as common we got the ipad [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► but your phone next to it or whatever [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► very often this is presented as a way to [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► basically to multitask like to say my [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► smaller ipad over here has this thing on [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► my bigger ipad has this my phone has [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► this on my phone i have messages [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► available a little ipad i have like [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► slack and i'm a big ipad have the thing [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that I'm doing right cg b great often [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► refers to it the same way that people [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► have multiple pieces of paper around [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► their desk at the same time you have [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► this file tape over here then the main [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► thing you're working on your referring [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► to your notebook for notes and you have [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► a book open over here were like having [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► multiple desks here then I my left hand [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► desk of my right-hand desk each ant has [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► its own death so it is that is life [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► everything if you if you were writing a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► paper referring to another thing and had [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► a book open right for her into your [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► notes and had a reference book open [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► right you would do that um now every [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► time I hear them discuss us and I'm not [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► caught up on Carter cortex to forgive me [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► if this comes up sometime in 2015 but [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► every time i hear is discussed in the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► distant past where I'm living in in [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► cortex right now I keep waiting for one [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► of these two knuckleheads to realize [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► that what they're talking about it's [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► called windows why didn't maybe windows [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► on personal computers it was like a [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► desktop like a literal like not a [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► literal desktop but the other meaning of [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► layer which is figurative desktop [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► metaphorical best time right like at the [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► top of your desk like it's not even a [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► distant is not even distant like there [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► was talk about that and then on that [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► desk would be different documents each [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► of which will be represented by a window [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► that you could move around the only [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► difference is [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that it was all within one piece of [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► glass so you would take the windows / [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► documents and arrange them how you [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► wanted with the thing you're writing in [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► the middle and the notes you're [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► referring to on the left and open a [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► reference book on the right only middle [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► left and right would all be on the [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► screen and so it's maddening to hear [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► people talk about all I have my big iPad [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► on my little half of your those are just [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► windows but their physical now and it's [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► an in some respects it's better to have [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► physical windows like it is more there [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► are advantages to physical windows but [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► imagine if your whole desk was a [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► freaking giant Retina screen and you [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► could arrange these windows will call [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► them and you would have your little [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► phone and you're right there just [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► differently sized with those guys you [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► just read my nose in the meat space [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► they're just nice windows and like it's [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► so painful to me to sleep in and I know [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► they'll say like I don't want that I [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► don't want Windows window what you know [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► window arrangement sucks arranging my [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► two iPads on my desk is great and there [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► is i'm not going to said there is [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► something to that because dealing with [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► physical devices is better than dealing [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► with the nose there are compromises to [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► having them all be virtual on a 2d [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► device but there are also advantages [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► really really big advantages and people [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► with long experience with using very [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► large screens with lots of windows on [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► them hello that's me can tell you that [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► they're all there are also advantages to [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that approach and so I'm not saying one [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► precludes the other and you have to stop [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the other one I'm just saying they are [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► siblings they are they are solving the [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► same problem in almost exactly the same [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► way with only slightly different [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► compromises and if they're going to say [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► that that the multi-device thing is the [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► way they prefer versus the other one [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► that's fine but to never mention the [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► element never realized that what they're [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► essentially doing is exactly the same as [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► having a really big screen with multiple [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► windows and that there are advantages to [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► having a really big screaming multiple [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► windows in that virtual things are [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► easier to deal with and manipulate than [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► real things like you can't switch spaces [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that you can't swipe your four fingers [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► to the left and suddenly a new desk [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► slides in with a new set of iowa devices [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► on it like its paces right okay minimize [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► or window shade or or snap them to edges [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► or resize them because you can't make [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► your ipad mini into a different [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► different orientation or a different [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► size like there there are trade-offs to [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► be sure and i'm not saying one is [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► dominant over the other but as a strong [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► strong proponent of the virtual pieces [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► of paper as you know as a better [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► approach for me personally than the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► physical pieces of paper or the [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► virtual screens AK windows instead of [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► the physical screens AK iOS devices I [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► think this has to be in the mix and [TS]