The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► maybe you can switch to maybe maybe you [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► have sufficient girth to do a one-legged [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► thing where like instead of putting a [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► lot of talk on both legs can it can it [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► can it sit on one leg you could have one [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► laptop on each leg you would do a [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► wielding cool I think we're all set so I [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► have notes on everything that happened [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► but I didn't check the notes in the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► doctor okay yes your own personal notes [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► well guess what I have notes shared [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► notes follow up you of course you do we [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► can breathe we can breeze through it [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► these are all quick oh why don't you [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► again Marco into a long tangent about [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► your deep 20-minute feelings in each one [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► of these items we can get through it [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► shots fired its gonna be like that I [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► would like you to listen to recent [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► episodes and see what percentage of [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► follow-up items IE MIT a single word [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► about yeah but it just takes one it only [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► takes one it gets you going and that [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► becomes half the show anyway we can get [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► through this quickly because marco is [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► not interested oh my god every time you [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► say that all that means is everyone is [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► looking at the chapter mark to see where [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► the first stop it begins look at the [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► chapter markers just just listen to the [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► show just be just experienced the show [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► be in the mom be the show be in the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► moment alright so Stephen Empson rights [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► in case nobody mentioned turns out turns [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► out the Wii U gamepad had less display [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► lag than most TVs and we'll put a couple [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► links in the show notes John you're the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► only one of us with wii u i believe so [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► you want to tell us about this I think [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► John's the only one with a wii u yeah [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► very well maybe yeah it was last week [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► where I was saying that I like to use [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► the gamepad for Mario Kart because it [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► felt like there was actually less live [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► than a TV which seems crazy because it [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► is wirelessly sending video to the thing [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► so i actually i had read this article [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► back when I came out I just forgot about [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► because I'm old apparently it's measured [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► to be about 33 milliseconds of lag for [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► the video on the Wii U gamepad which [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► sounds like a lot until you realize that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► TVs especially TVs that are either not [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► in game mode or can't get into a decent [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► game mode that where they turn off all [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► the image processing the input lag for [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► TVs especially if you went through a [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► receiver and then through a TV can be up [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► to like 100 milliseconds so I wasn't [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► imagining it [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it is very likely that my complete TV [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► set up as configured at the time i was [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► doing this is actually slower than using [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the wii u gamepad itself so good job [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► Nintendo I minimizing that lag bad job [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► whole rest of the AV industry on having [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► horrendous leg input lag for television [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► set ups what's the mechanism that the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► video is being broadcasted gamepad is [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that like a private Wi-Fi or something [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► yeah I think it's like an h.264 stream [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► over wireless thing I think the prior [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► Terry I don't think it is just like [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► liberal Wi-Fi but I don't know actually [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► so it could be like a is an airdrop like [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► a peer-to-peer thing that's kind of [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► stood up just in the moment and then [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► destroyed after you transfer the file or [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► files or something like that maybe it's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► maybe it's one of those sort of [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► scenarios who knows mm-hmm fair enough [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► right in this in the interest of speedy [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► follow-up for the first time ever tell [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► us what happened with your Zelda HUD [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► playing zelda as everybody knows and [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► Zelda does have a HUD so is every pass [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► Zelda game they always have something on [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► the screen that's showing like a little [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► mini map or like Skyward Sword had this [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► giant honking picture of the wiimote [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► which you could turn off and I did turn [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► off a little status indicators a breath [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► of the wild has the traditional line of [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► hearts in the upper left hand corner and [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► the lower right it's got a little [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► circular map thing and some other little [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► icons underneath the hearts it has a [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► couple of other items that appear as you [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► progress through the game don't want to [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► spoil anything for people problem with [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► those items is that they are white much [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► of the time one hundred percent [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► completely opaque white and my TV hates [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that and so after playing breath of the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► wild friday now 20 or 30 hours i noticed [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► i'm getting into retention in the upper [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► left corner for the white items luckily [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► breath of the wild has a HUD option [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► which i saw when i first start playing [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► the game because of course being a nerd [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► i always go into all the options first [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► before starting anything and they called [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► they call it the pro HUD which turns off [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► basically everything except for your [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► hearts and i said well i don't want to [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► turn everything off it's a pretty [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► minimal HUD to begin with it's very [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► minimal very pushed off to the side so [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► it's nice but and i like seeing the [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► thing someone were useful like [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► interesting the compass direction and [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► stuff like that so i left and on that [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► turned out to have been mistakes now i'm [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► using the pro HUD which only shows [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► hearts the hearts are one hundred [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► percent britt red and opaque so they are [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► causing some heart-shaped image [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► retention in the upper left but they do [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► vary a little bit as you [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► take damage at the very least and one [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► hundred percent red is much better than [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► hundred percent white so I'm not kicking [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► Zelda off my TV yet and moving it to the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► to the the gaming monitor or anything I [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► think I'm just going to accept the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► amount of image pension because I know [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► from our destiny experiment that yes you [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► will get image retention but it is not [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► permanent if you're merely wait a year [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► it will go away and someone is [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► suggesting that I get OLED oh let also [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► has image retention guess what you know [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► if you had brought a TV with a proper [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► technology that doesn't have image [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► retention this would have been a lot [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► easier but no you had to have you had to [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► have the blackest black sand the dark [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► you stop saying even LCDs have image [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► retention mine has it mine has it worse [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► yeah well and and vibrant colors like [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► seriously on my gaming monitor it is [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► such an incredible difference in what [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► the game looks like compared to what it [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► looks like on tv and breadth of the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► while it's the type of game they want to [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► experience and if there's not a lot of [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► HUD in breadth of the wild it is [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► actually pretty darn minimal so I want [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► to see the full rich experience and to [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► get the 5.1 surround sound with just [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► they don't take that much advantage of [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► what the speakers are better anyway I'm [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► not kicking it off yet we'll check back [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► in next week fair enough Carsten Weiss [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► maybe vice rights in to talk about [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► high-end desktop processors which I [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► really don't care that much about so [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► money you can take this this is in [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► reference to be asking Oh a shelf if [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► Intel makes any processors that are not [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► Zeon's that have more than four cores [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that in theory could be used in an iMac [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► and Marco said no and a lot of people [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► tweeted that actually they make these a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► bunch of processors within decipherable [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► numeric alphanumeric names that have 10 [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► cores and eight cores and six scores and [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► other people trying done on Twitter to [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► say actually those are basically two [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► Zeon's rebranded and rename but without [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► ECC ram and different chipsets that [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► require them either way it seems like [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► however you want to slice it there are [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► other options that are not the same as [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the processors in the mac pro that Apple [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► could put in the imac if we wanted to so [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► maybe if they make an imac pro instead [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► of having a xeon in there they could [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► have one of these in between easy on [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► things which would be kind of cruddy [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► because i really want ECC ram so I from [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you know if I'm going to pay for an imac [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► pro but anyway I'll buy whatever they [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► put out because what the hell choice do [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► I have yea sorry I'm going to talk to [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► Sean during follow-up [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► this is the x 99 series that people keep [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► talking about I honestly don't know much [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► about it I had it in the back of my mind [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► and just forgotten about it but it seems [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► like if if you're going to go to the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► trouble of having a very expensive [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► processor that puts out a lot of heat [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► and needs a big socket and everything [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► else like why not just use eons at that [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► point like I bet the engineering [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► constraints and cost constraints and [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► everything else around using these is [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► probably not that different from just [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► using Zeon's in the first place which is [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► probably why apple doesn't just put one [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► of these in an imac Jason Breckenridge [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► rights in to say more about the mac pro [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► a macro delay is likely due to wait for [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► AMD to produce something that they can [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► leverage to get intel xeon prices down [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► that seems bold to me but anyway he [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► continues margins are everything in Tim [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► Cook's Apple not sure how you can know [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that but I'll continue especially for [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► low-volume products maybe I don't know [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► what do you guys I put this in here for [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► not to address it directly but just for [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► the larger issue because it's [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► interesting to me that the three of us [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► on this show seemed to all come to a [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► sort of no I'm going to say unspoken [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► agreement but chances are we spoke about [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► it because we talked about the knife bro [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► a lot agreement that there is no new Mac [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► Pro coming and yet when I see people [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► like when listeners right in or tweet or [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► whatever there is still a contingent out [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► there that is on a different page than [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► we are that they believe that there is a [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► delay like the Mac but there is a mac [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► pro delay the new Mac Pro is coming and [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► maybe i'm wrong but do we all basically [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► do the three of us like obviously we [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► don't know we're just guessing right but [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► do we all kind of agree there is no new [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► mac pro coming in in the terms that we [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► understand it to be basically like a [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► thing that you buy from apple that is [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► their their fastest computer that [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► doesn't have a screen attached to it I [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► don't know your your the yearly what [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► you're the one holdout I mean I think [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► Marco agrees right yeah pretty much I've [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► been on the page for a while that just [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► like there is no new Mac Pro coming and [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► all I'm thinking of is low you know in [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► the way that we understand it I'm I'm a [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► hundred percent pinning my hopes on and [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► I'm [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► mac pro at this point but the mac pro [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► like so many people right into talked [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► about what do we think the next Mac Pro [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► is going to be and what might be [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► delaying the next Mac Pro and I feel [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► like writing back saying I I've lost my [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► faith like I what what new Mac Pro what [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► are you even talking about it's there is [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► no new Mac Pro the rebel never will be a [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► new mac pro except for something [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► different than in terms of yet again and [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► when I say it I'm talking about a box [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► that you buy that doesn't have a monitor [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► built into it from apple that is their [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► fastest computer I think that's that's [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► gone yeah i mean like all right like [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► i've been using this imac since 2014 [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► because it it just fit my overall [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► desires better like I really wanted [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► retina like I desperately want a desktop [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► retina and I thought for years that it [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► was it was further away and so and then [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► when they released the 5k imac it like [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it blew my mind and it was so good and [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► it still is so good you know I decided [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► then like okay I will trade some [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► processing power and I will trade the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► freedom of this external cylinder or [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► tower and having it separate my monitor [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► I'll trade that for this awesome screen [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► experience and the time there really was [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► no great way to get 5k externally now [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► well maybe you could argue that the LG [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► still sucks so badly that make me maybe [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► there still isn't agree we can fuck [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► external in that is what broke me if you [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► recall that was the end I was like I now [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► I accept I accept it up you're telling [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► me and no uncertain terms give up yeah [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► maybe I don't anyway so I the the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► problem is like I hear from various [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► tipsters and rumors and birdies and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► everything else I hear a different thing [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► like every month every month I here oh [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the mac pro is really dead this time or [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► oh no it's not dead yet it's coming you [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► know they're they're starting up a new [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► thing yeah but every time I hear that [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► like I think does what I'm hearing fit [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► into the idea of an imac pro and every [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► time i go that totally could be an imac [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► bro all i want is for them to address [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► high-end needs and for the current imac [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► series as we know it to not be the [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► highest they ever go because it is very [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► limited in you know limiting itself to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the primarily for core desktop line and [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► not having desktop class [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► high-powered GPU support and desktop [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► class high-powered CPU support and [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► workstation class i should say cpu [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► support you know there's there's a huge [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► ceiling above the current imac series [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and it isn't just about getting a higher [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► clock speed on single core it's about [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► like like if you want if you need [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► multi-core performance which lots of [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► things use these days it isn't it isn't [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► a matter of just wait till next year's [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► imac and the four core line will be will [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► be good enough that a mac pro won't be [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► necessary it's literally like the imac [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► grows like five or ten percent [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► performance a year and a mac pro with [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► more cores could have like it could have [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► like six times the performance like [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► that's that's the difference we're [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► talking about here it's not it isn't [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► something that we can just wait a couple [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► years and the need goes away because a [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► couple years down the road the [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► multi-core high-power workstation chips [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► have gotten better too so this having [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► having a gap like there's a big gap [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► between what the imac can do and what a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► computer that has a much higher power [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► and heat budget and and money budget can [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► do and that use for the Mac Pro and now [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► it's it's kind of gone and that huge gap [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► is just being unserved and the people [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► who need that huge gap are going to [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► windows and hackintosh is another crap [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► like that that's what I hope Apple [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► addresses whether it has a screen built [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► into it or not I would prefer if it [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► didn't just for additional flexibility [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► but I don't really I'm not going to be [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► massively disappointed if they give me a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► new high-end 16 core xeon workstation [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► that happens to have a 5k screen in [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► front of it which is by the way the best [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► screen i've ever seen yeah I'm actually [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► like now that I know there's no [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► third-party monitor that's what makes [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► the imac pro so much more palatable to [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► me because i will still have an apple [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► monitor that's what i want and so I'm [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► just paying my hopes on the insides of [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► that I Mac Pro being all that they can [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► be right here to you to you have had [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► your talking privileges revoked for the [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► remainder of follow-up I was trying to [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► get things quickly and then I said those [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► two curse it goddamn words Mac Pro and [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► then everything took a turn as it always [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► does [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► uh anyway I mean in our defense I'm [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► pretty sure you started it well I died I [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► didn't put this in the show notes but I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► did I reading this I was dutifully [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► reading John's show notes and here's [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► where we ended up so anyway we'll move [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► on to talk about how Americans are cheap [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► so Jake rights in to say I wanted to [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► tell you all what I've seen with a [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► family member that has been in education [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► for almost 30 years and this person's [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► family member works for a 12,000 student [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► school district in America in this [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► district there several schools need [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► repairs or renovation keep students safe [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► over the last two years the district has [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► presented referendum which goes to a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► public vote to the public which gets [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► voted down a secondary referendum for a [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► lesser amount of money which is also [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► voted down and now there's a third [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► referendum on the table the current [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► referendum has a lot of opposition this [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► time at this time and according to Jake [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► they don't play nice so Jake summarizes [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► people aren't really not fond of taxes [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► being raised sport education I've seen [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► this every day for the last uh decade or [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► two of my life even when kids safety is [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► on the line there is still opposition [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► it's really sad and this is an exact [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► retelling of my childhood in in n what [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► now how do I say this because however [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► it's i pronounced it apparently everyone [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► was very very upset just putting the you [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► just putting the emphasis on the wrong [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► syllable that's all right what what what [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► flight attendant movie was that I never [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► actually saw but that preview that was [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► on the initials is very popular I parted [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► back in middle schools i don't know the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► original origin asst and anyway i have [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► fluent is what you're trying to say [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► thank you so you said about yes [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► apparently and very there were a lot of [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► people it's probably an alternate [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► pronunciations because everything is [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► yeah i always have that defense you can [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► look it up I'm sure I'm sure that's true [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► but whatever so affluent is that correct [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► yep anyway it doesn't matter whatever we [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► lived into an area that had a lot of [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► rich people in it so there we go so the [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► point is this was the exact same [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► behavior that I saw at my school [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► district which we went over last episode [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► we had several other people right in to [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► say very very similar things that were [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► equally depressing and this was just a [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► really great summary [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► how Americans are cheap and and I hate [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► all of us so i just thought i'd share [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that little anecdote speaking of things [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► that we won't talk long about at all i'm [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► quite sure twitter twitter if it for mac [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► the kickstarter made it and the stretch [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► goal of 100 thousand dollars to get [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► basic things like direct messaging [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► support also made it which is super [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► exciting so congratulations John [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► Syracuse the this moment is yours yes [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► this is a right victory lap for the [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► project and for all of the listeners to [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► this show who I'm sure heard my plea and [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► pledged support and it amazes me like I [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► was just at the goal I set for everybody [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► says ignore the fact that the goal is 75 [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► grand the stretch goals 100 grand and we [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► need to get that because that's where [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► like direct messages come in as much as [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► I love terrific I really don't want to [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► use a mac Twitter client doesn't support [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► direct messages so we did it 108,000 is [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► the total we passed 100 k as a marker [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► was pointing out now I have to pay the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► money that I pledged towards it and [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► there are a lot of people i know on [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► twitter told me that not only did they [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► pledge because they heard my [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► encouragement to do so but they also up [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► their pledges when they saw that it [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► wasn't close to its goal or whatever so [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► thank you to everybody who did that I'm [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► sure this will turn out great the one [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► the one bad thing for me is that of [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► course I can't alright may not be able [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► to run this project if it's Sarah only [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► until and unless I get a new mac that [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► runs I mean it's not supposed to be done [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► until much later nice is really is gonna [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► be not as expensive Twitter client ever [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► free huh yeah well I want to get the new [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► mac anyway but gonna be a few bucks for [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► Twitter and average for tweet button key [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► thousand bucks for a new mac i'm also [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► lobbying them through certain channels [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► to perhaps try to support back dale cap [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► but i don't know if that will happen but [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► either way I want a new mac the run [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► Sierra and I want to be able to run this [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► thing and it's not done yet so fingers [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► crossed everybody but thanks to [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► everybody who helped this is awesome [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► congratulations John siracusa I'm very [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► very very excited for you I know this [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► was uh this was a big deal for you could [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► just use tweetbot but that's cool Cirie [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► has multi-language support several [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► people wrote in with regard to our [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► ladies in the cylinder conversation last [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► episode to remind us that in it is we [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► needed a reminder that that what is the [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the the the Amazon [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► which I'm stumbling so hard to say our [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► name yes the echoes lady I didn't want [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► to say the AL exa word um the echoes [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► lady does not have a lot of [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► multi-language support whereas the Apple [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► lady does have considerable by [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► comparison multi-language support and [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► that's a big deal for anyone who doesn't [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► speak English and obviously we tend to [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► be more myopic than we intend when it [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► comes to these sorts of things but for [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► people outside of the United States [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► Britain etc Australia to before we get [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► people emailing us about that um people [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► outside those areas you know the only [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► choice I really have a Serie and that's [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► kind of a big bummer so anyway it's [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► worth considering we didn't really give [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► any thought to that last episode what is [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► it wasn't uh somebody wrote in to get [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► onto the they will actually for the some [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► someone run in there in a foreign [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► country and they said that they had to [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► speak to whatever thing they were [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► speaking to in their native language but [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► they had to pronounce things the way an [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► English feature English speaker would [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► try to say the words in their language [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► in order to be understood which I [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► thought was interesting that like even [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► though it purports to understand your [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► language if you speak sort of [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► colloquially and just like casually as [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► you would it doesn't work as well if you [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► think like how would an American trying [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► to speak my language say this and say it [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► that way then then the cylinder picks [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► out which I thought was funny I mean [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it's working on works the same way here [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you kind of think like how would [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► somebody in California say this like the [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► way I say it never works right you just [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► gotta add in a groovy and you know and [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► whatever the other lingos reckon can you [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► get me a Jaguar with an automatic [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► transmission Wow that'll work perfectly [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► don't forget the passive aggression no I [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► mean so I think what about what bugs me [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► about a lot of the times i see this [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► pointed out is when it's used as a [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► defense for areas in which siri is not [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► doing so well or as stupider than it [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► should be so to me these should be [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► carefully considered as separate factors [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► yes sirree is better at international [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► and multi-language support amazon sucks [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► internationally they have terrible [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► coverage outside the US for all of their [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► services [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► and the echoes voice service is no [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► exception to that but what Amazon's even [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► better at is in the like one language in [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► that they support well it simply works [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► more reliably and I know there are there [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► areas in which Siri is better and and [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► that's fine there's areas in which [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► amazon is better but these are separate [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► discussions and I don't think it's a [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► valid excuse for apple or four for Apple [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► fans and commentators to use just [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► whenever anybody points out that Siri [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► does something less well than it should [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► or that Amazon does something really [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► well it is not a valid excuse to say [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► well series report supports you know 75 [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► different languages it's like well okay [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it does the sky is also blue these are [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► separate facts these are separate [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► discussions right like so that's I see [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► this a lot in a way that bothers me but [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that is an attribute that should be [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► commended you know it is great this here [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► supports all the different languages and [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► if you speak one of those languages [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► that's a huge factor for you in the same [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► way that other factors of these products [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► might influence other people's decisions [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► I would just be careful how we throw [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► that around because so often it's used [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► in this kind of invalid defense fair [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► enough all right so I've a very quick [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► question about the Apple watch which is [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► kind of a call to listeners to tweet at [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► me and me alone and then I'd like to go [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► to your lawfully i am going to regret [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► this but i'm curious and then marco has [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► a tale of waffling ideas a lot less [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► delicious than it said you have a brief [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► tale of waffling right Marco yeah very [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► bright well I do I wasn't I wasn't aware [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► you guys knew about it somebody put in [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the show notes we know everything we're [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► watching always watching cool all right [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► well anyway I I wanted to want to ask [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► the audience and you can tweet at me and [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► me alone you don't need to bother mark [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► when John do you I've been doing this by [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► the way I know if you have a Syria what [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► we calling this a series 0 an original [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Apple watch do you find that the battery [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► is starting to get a little long in the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► tooth and starting to wear out a little [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► more quickly than you use than it used [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► to be cuz i got i took delivery of my [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► apple watch in early May [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► and the last couple days it has been [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► nice enough out that I can go for my [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► afternoon or really evening walk with [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► Declan and i'll do a walking exercise on [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► my Apple watch and as soon as I've [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► started doing that last few days at [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► unreasonably early hours my Apple watch [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► is going from oh I'm fine everything I'm [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► asleep and power reserve mode is on and [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► I basically don't have a watch at all [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► anymore and this only started when I [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► when I started doing these exercises and [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► eat well for loose definitions of [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► exercise but anyway exercises in the [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► evening and tracking these like 15 to 30 [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► minute walks and I'm curious those who [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► listen if you had only if you have a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► series 0 original Apple watch do you [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► also find your heaven having battery [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► woes let at kc list no i'm curious to [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► hear that's all for now you can you [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► restore your phone I have a series 0 [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► watch and my battery is awesome as it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► sits there on it's charging thing on top [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► of my dresser we are sponsored this week [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► by fracture who prints beautiful photos [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► and vivid color directly onto sheets of [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► glass you can hang up all around your [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► house give us gifts or whatever else and [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► they are awesome go to fracture me calm [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► to learn more fracture wants you to [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► actually take your photos out of your [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► camera roll out of the social feeds and [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► actually put them on your wall so you [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► can really see them and really enjoy [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► them beyond just the one day that you [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► took and shared them so what you do with [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► fracture you go to their site fracture [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► me calm use promo code clean CL EA and [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► clean you can save twenty percent by the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► end of March if you hurry up because [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► they want you to clean out your camera [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► roll and refresh your walls in your [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► house with actual photo prints that you [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► can enjoy of your photos it's really [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► nice to see your photos like you know we [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► split these great cameras in our pockets [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► we're taking more photos than ever but [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► then we see them at day and then they're [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► just gone fracture wants you to enjoy [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► your photos use promo code clean by the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► end of March to get twenty percent off [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► any fracture print and I highly [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► recommend these fracture prints they [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► look great I have them all over my [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► office all over our house they look [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► awesome these are edge to edge printing [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► on glass and it hangs up nicely on the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► wall they ship it nicely I've never had [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► one arrived broken although of course [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► they guarantee it if it does they left [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► 60 day happiness guarantee so you're [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► sure to love your order every fracture [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► is handmade and checked for quality by [TS]

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00:24:30 ◼   ► it uses us source materials on a [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► carbon-neutral factory so you can feel [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► good about it go to fracture me calm you [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► will be amazed how nice these photos [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► look when you get them how nice these [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► beautiful panes of glass look they make [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► wonderful gifts as well if you know if [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► you have a gift for a relative or you [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► know some of the holidays coming up like [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► Mother's Day and stuff it is totally [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► worth a try fracture you will see for [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► yourself and you'll be a convert trust [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► me they can't pay me to say that they [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► can't pay me to see how much I love them [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► and i'll tell you what i love them check [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► it out today fracture me calm and when [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► they ask you where you heard about them [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► make sure to enter accidental tech [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► podcast or ATP whatever they have their [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► it's wonderful check it out once again [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► don't forget to tell them where they [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► where you heard about them fracture me [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► calm thanks a lot to fracture for [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► sponsoring our show so tell me about [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► your waffling but I'm gonna say this is [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► by my count your third mac laptop order [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► since the new mac laptops are released [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► again oh my god Marco here's here's what [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► happened oh here we go yeah you had to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► do it why did you have to do it here's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► here's what happened all right I'll try [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► to be brief as we have all of us talking [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► about on my I recently came back from a [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► trip on the way home I was I was [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► supposed to have downloaded a TV show [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► for TIFF and I to watch on the plane and [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► last minute at the airport I realized [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► like at the departure airport I realized [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► I had not done it over the hotel Wi-Fi [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► overnight like I had planned and i had [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► to very quickly download episodes of a [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► TV show and of course nothing was [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► available in any legal fashion so I was [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► going to ship them to myself on a truck [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► and there are numerous ways to do this [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► on airport Wi-Fi none of which are very [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► good and the only way I found for this [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► show that I was supposed to downloaded [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► but didn't download the only way that I [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► could find it is a certain kind of truck [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that let's say it forms a torrential [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► downpour [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► data pieces into a TV show I knew like [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► you know if I could just use a group of [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► newspaper delivery trucks that would be [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► better but the the torrential downpour [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► of trucks was the only thing I get to [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► work in a reliable fashion from the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► airport Wi-Fi that I was on and the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► plane was taking off in like a half hour [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► and I just had to get something quickly [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► so I installed a type of torrential [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► downpour truck that I had trusted in the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► past even though I knew that you know [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► that they I heard they kind of got shady [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► with bundling smaller satellite trucks [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► with it install yahoo search toolbar in [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► your browser installed java it did set [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► my homepage to yahoo and all of my [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► browsers that's the stuff and on my home [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► mac i have an older version of this [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► truck that has note i downloaded years [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► ago that has no problems but on on the [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► the new version that i could get off the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► website quickly it did a bunch of weird [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► stuff that I don't trust and so because [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► of this I now consider my 15 inch touch [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► bar macbook pro compromised and I need [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► to format it and reinstall basically for [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► my own sanity do you guys remember what [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► made my curly quit his job oh god it was [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► him having to buy a new pair of [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► shoelaces and yet how does that justify [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► you getting a new damn computer I was [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► gonna say to remind everybody this story [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► about him forgetting to download a TV [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► show and trying to do to the airport is [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► going to lead to him buying a new [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► computer just whoever's on the same page [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► all right so basically the gist of it if [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► I can summarize my curly story about how [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► he of what made him finally quit a job [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► become a professional podcasters is that [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► he he was going to his his office job [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► where he had to dress up and he broke [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► the shoelace on his shoe and he was [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► thinking acquitting for a while and that [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► finally pushed him over the edge because [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► he's like you know I I don't want to buy [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► a new pair of shoelaces for these shoes [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► because it was kind of like reinforcing [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and reinvesting in the world he was he [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► was not happy with and trying to leave [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► so you decided to just stop at that [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► point I'm sorry if you butch [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► I bunch of that in case you remember [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► offhand what episode of analog people [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► should listen to no i don't but i'll [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► have it in the show notes okay i don't [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► remember which episode it is but we go [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► into detail about this and it is it is [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► one of the better episodes of analog if [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► i do say so myself so it's worth [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► listening to ok so when faced with the [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► need to reformat my 15 inch touch bar [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► macbook pro at the end of this trip [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► probably the third or fourth trip I've [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► taken it on I was already not loving [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► this computer on this trip in so many [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► things about it that I that I when I [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► bought it I was like you know I don't [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► love this but I'll get used to it maybe [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► and some of those things I've gotten [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► used to decently enough some of those [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► things I haven't I I just have no [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► motivation to fix this computer even [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► though it's a software you have to [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► reinstall the OS which I have to do even [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► if I get a new one I will then start on [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► a fresh one and then I'll have to you [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► know put everything back on that one I [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► don't want to this this is my shoelace [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► and I don't want to fix this laptop [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► because I just don't like it and I'm [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► finally admitting to myself you know [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► what the 15 inch touch bar macbook pro [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► it's not a bad computer it's just really [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► designed with different priorities and [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► different needs than what my needs and [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► priorities actually are and i thought i [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► would get past it i thought i'd get used [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► to it and I thought certain things would [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► would stick better than they have like [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► for me honestly the touch bar doesn't [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► work for me it may be down the road it [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► will but right now it doesn't and there [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► it causes a lot of problems like [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► accidentally brushing against it and and [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► other issues bugs incident so anyway so [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► I thought you know what I can't do this [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► anymore i'm going to switch to a [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► computer that i actually like and my [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► original plan was i'm going to wait for [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► the next update to the macbook one and [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► give that a solid try again because with [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► that when i first got the first one and [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► really hated it part of the reason i [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► hated it was the keyboard but well now [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► they all have that keyboard and it's [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► like well I i I'm forcibly getting used [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► to that keyboard it's like all right [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► well that's that that is kind of now an [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► equal between them almost I mean though [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► the one on the map book one currently [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► has less feedback it is still the same [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► low travel but it has less feedback then [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► the ones that are on the new 2016 [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► macbook pros I'm used to that one now on [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► MacBook Pros I still don't like it but [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► I'm used to it so I can tolerate that [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► and I was assuming that the next update [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► to the macbook one would get that [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► keyboard also the original map book one [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► I mean all the map ones are very slow [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► but in in the 2016 update was it they [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► dramatically increased the speed of the [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► SSD which it which dramatically [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► increases the performance of lots of [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► things in the system and so the gist of [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► what owners have reported basically is [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that the the second version of the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► macbook one which is the one that's been [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► on for about a year now is significantly [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► faster than the first version was also [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► thanks tipster the GPU is also a lot a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► lot faster which also helps so so I [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► thought you know let me just wait for [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that and then I'll make a decision well [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► I'm about to go on a trip in like a [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► couple of weeks to Ireland to the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► all-conference and like like Arthur [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► friends I will pimp the OL conference [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► not because they've asked me to not [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► because I feel obligated to but because [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► if you are anywhere near Ireland or can [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► get to Ireland in a couple of weeks you [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► should go to the all-conference it's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► amazing so go to the old conference [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► everybody ull dot IE is cool anyway I'm [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► going to Ireland this is the perfect [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► kind of trip where I want to have a [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► laptop with me but I don't really get a [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► lot of work done I'm trips anymore I try [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► I always try and I just I don't you know [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► it's very rare that actually get a lot [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► of work done since the 15-inch was not [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► for me i speaking you know this would be [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► a great time to have a new smaller [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► laptop to try to use to enjoy and since [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► the 15-inch is not working for me for [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► lots of reasons and one of the main [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► reasons is the touch bar that really is [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► not working for me I think my choices [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► were basically the macbook law under the [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► macbook escape or an old macbook pro you [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► know like I can get the old 13 of the I [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► already have my old 15 so I took out the [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► old 15 figured I'd boot that up for a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► little bit use that for a couple days [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► see how that goes and it's fine but I'm [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► ruin now for the weight difference on [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the new one even though going from the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► old to the new 15 is only a half pound [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► savings went from like four point five [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► to four point oh that's enough that to [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► ruin me so now I pick up the old one in [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► it and it feels really old the then the [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► the event or the announcements rather [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► the other day yesterday the other day [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► came out and I thought apple is sure to [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► update the macbook one so let me wait [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► for this announcement and then I will [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► probably just order a macbook one which [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► with the new hopefully with the new [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► keyboard and with the new you know maybe [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► maybe faster Thunder maybe Thunderbolt [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► until just us bc or whatever else okay i [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► was going to do the same thing for the [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► record i had every intention of buying [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► myself a macbook adorable / macbook 1 / [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► officially called macbook the 12 inch [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► macbook but right i was planning to buy [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► one yesterday i was locked and loaded [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► ready to go and then not so much so what [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► did you do see I I know how I know how [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► to not spend money but if there's [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► anything you know how to do it not [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► spending money is not on that list you [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► you do not know how to not spend money [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► all I can do is rationalize spending a [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► little bit less money than I was going [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► to spend anyway but anyway the the the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► day came and went they had their big [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► browser press releases which people get [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► to don't worry everyone will get to that [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► and they didn't release basically [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► anything I wanted but but yeah they [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► didn't they didn't release the macbook [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► one so I decided you know what let me go [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► to the apple store now that everything's [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► in stock I'll spend some real time with [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► the macbook escape and the macbook one [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► side by side and to just see like should [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► I just wait for an escape or I'm [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► strikers by an escape now or should I [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► wait for the map of one update that [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► might happen in a couple of weeks or it [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► might happen in six months or it might [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► never happen we have not liked it this [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► is modern Apple who knows when things [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► will come out there's no relation [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► anymore to like Intel schedules so it [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► could come out anytime or never so [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► anyway so I went to the store side by [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► side macbook escape to MacBook one the [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► weight difference between them is [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► noticeable it's two pounds versus three [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► pounds so it's a noticeable weight [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► difference it's a noticeable size [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► difference but the macbook Escape is the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► same approximate size and weight as the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► 13-inch macbook air has always been it [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► feels great it's small you know and and [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► critically it is basically a retina [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► macbook air in its internals and so it [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► has amazing battery life the best [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► battery life in the whole lineup and one [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► of my problems with the 15 inches that [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► the battery life is just not that great [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► it's it's not horrible [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► all but it's not great and it varies [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► tremendously with what you're doing [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► because it has that high-powered GPU and [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the nice big four core cpu and [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► everything else so 15 inch varies a lot [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► and isn't even great to begin with the [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► macbook escape has and by the way I [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► should clarify my stupid name for that [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that's the 13-inch MacBook Pro 2016 with [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► two Thunderbolt ports and also known as [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► the non-touch bar 13 inch MacBook Pro [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► all these want to see at my name is [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► better than apples right okay so anyway [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► the macbook escape it is not as small [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► and light as I would love it to be but [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► it's pretty small in light the macbook [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► one now again this is this is the now [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► year old version so maybe this will [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► change in the new one but the keyboard [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► different side by side is not a big [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► difference but it is noticeable and the [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► macbook one keyboard is worse by you [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► know a noticeable amount the ergonomic [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► difference is more noticeable than I [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► would have guessed you know the macbook [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► one feels great when you're holding it [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► when you pick it up when you when you're [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► carrying it around feels great I don't [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► care for how you have to open the lid [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► basically with two hands because it's so [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► thin and so small that you kind of you [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► can't really like wed your thumb under [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► like the little lip area and push down [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► on what's below it like you can with the [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► bigger ones you don't have to that's the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► babbles all big thing you can do with [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► one hand and the bass stays down yeah it [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► does it really does i tried all the time [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► the apple store on them amazing how [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► often how it works actually try it [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► you're right that it's hard to get your [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► finger under it but it's if you'd let go [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► of the notion you actually need to hold [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the base down and you can manage to get [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► through a little finger under the lip I [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► swear to you that the base will stay on [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the table oh I don't realize that okay [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► anyway so it didn't feel as good it felt [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► like a little bit like flimsy to do that [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► like just like it's not a huge deal but [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► when you compare them side-by-side it's [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► an obvious difference also when i had [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► the macbook escape for like a day and a [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► half when it first came inside of epic [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► 14 day and a half and a first came out [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► one problem i had with it was it [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► actually on my lap it was too narrow and [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► it would likes it too low on my legs as [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► a result like it wouldn't quite span [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► across my leg gap quite well enough and [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► i actually found it not that pleasant to [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► use on my lap it would be great on like [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► an airplane tray table [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► and it'd be totally you know suitable on [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► a desk and anything else but on my lap I [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► actually found it was actually not quite [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► wide enough to really be comfortable [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► there and and the biggest difference to [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► me is that the macbook ones trackpad is [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► truly awful it is horrendous how how [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► differently when you when you feel them [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► side by side even on the same settings [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► on the same like force touch firmness [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► level or whatever the difference in the [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► cliq feel and the responsiveness between [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► the macbook one and the macbook escape [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► is massive on the on the trackpad it's a [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► huge difference I basically decided then [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► that you know I actually don't think I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► want a macbook one again even if it gets [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► updated so i played with the escape a [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► little bit longer play with the one a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► little bit longer firm but my decision [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► went home and ordered a maxed-out [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► macbook escape except for that I didn't [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► get the terabyte I got the 512 it's [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► still time for you to cancel that order [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► again I already canceled the same order [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► 16 months ago I know I'm saying I'm [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► gonna make it this time is it gonna make [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► it I I'll see how it goes and ask me [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► again you know in a couple of weeks what [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► are you doing with your with your old [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► one um once once i'm sure that i'm going [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► to keep the escape i'll sell the 15 [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► unless casey wants it i can sell to you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► so you were like the the proverbial [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► little lady only drove to church on [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► sunday if you want a lightly used yeah [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► laptop for a reasonable price just wait [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► for Marco to get bored of it exactly oh [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► goodness I don't even know what to do [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► with you though I'm most disappointed [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► that you didn't get a macbook one [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► because I would have bought that off of [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► you in two weeks or two weeks a day when [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► you decide that you don't want this one [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► but as it turns out that's not you [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► bought but I have the complete opposite [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► of 15 inch no I don't want a 15-inch [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► like that either interest me but I don't [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► want that like I I'm not saying that [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it's bad I'm not sad just at today with [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► my needs today I don't want it because [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► it what I really want is a new 15 inch [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► touch bar for work but I'm not gonna get [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► another computer for work for like two [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► or three years so alas anyway like what [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► the reason I got the 15 to begin with [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► was that I had originally ordered this [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► exact same macbook escape configuration [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► that I guess reordered on day one I [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► ordered [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► and because it was day one there was [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► like a two-week delay or something [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► because I they were all backed up and in [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► the meantime I convinced myself you know [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► whatever I think it's like 2200 hours [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► like 2200 dollars for effectively a [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► souped-up MacBook Air is kind of a lot [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► and I didn't feel good about the value [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► of that and the 15 inch it for bang for [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► the buck the 15 inch is a way better buy [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► than any of the other laptops and so I [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► kind of rash on myself into into a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► 15-inch and I also thought the touch bar [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► would be a bigger deal and I and I [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► should have some experience with it and [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► and it turns out that I in an effort to [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► get the best value for my money I got a [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► computer that was actually not the right [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► computer for me so there's a lesson [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► there somewhere I don't know and the [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► touch bar ended up not really sticking [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► for me so there we go alright 45 minutes [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► into our recording we can finally be [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► done with follow-up told you John it was [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► gonna be a quick one that was a topic [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► come on somebody spent some while on a [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► particular topic but not gonna say Oh [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► Casey oh yeah totally me we are [TS]

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00:43:04 ◼   ► next move I wanted to cover something [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► before we go to big into the last 48 [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► hours worth of announcements there was a [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► little bit of talk but not a lot about [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the apple shareholder diversity proposal [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and this always struck me is a little [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► weird and how Apple's handling it is a [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► little weird but if you recall for the [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► last couple of shareholder meetings [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► maybe in several now there's been some [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► sort of um and I don't know the [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► appropriate terminology but there's been [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► a thing that they had to vote on that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► that shareholders had petitioned Apple [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► for where the the general premise of [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► this particular thing they're voting on [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► is to adopt an accelerated recruitment [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► policy to increase the diversity of [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► senior management and its board of [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► directors that's actually coming off a [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► verge article put the show notes and [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► this has been voted down yet again and I [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► have mixed feelings about this which I [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► probably shouldn't because on the one [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► side I feel like well they have an [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► executive team that everyone but Marco [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► thinks is working okay it seems a little [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► silly to just throw one or more of them [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► out for the sake of diversity but but on [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► the other side of the coin diversity is [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► a good thing I [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► think that having a more diverse [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► executive team might help get rid of [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► some of these issues that we've seen I [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► don't know which one specifically but [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► just a different thing I was gonna say [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► outside the box thinking butts not even [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► outside the box thinking just different [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► thinking could be helpful which to [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► Marco's credit is I think a lot of the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► point that you were trying to make last [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► week I'm disappointed by this like I'm [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► not entirely surprised that this is the [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► way the the the vote came and I know [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► that Apple was was pushing pretty hard [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► for for shareholders to say no to this [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► but and so I am disappointed I'm not [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► surprised but I'm disappointed and and I [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► kind of wish that apple would say [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► something more directly about their lack [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► of diversity really across the company [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► but particularly amongst executives and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► yes I'm aware that they've been making [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► this big push for diversity or so they [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► say but I feel like it's not really [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► hitting the upper echelon of Apple and [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► that's that's not a good thing and I [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► guess maybe my conflicting feelings are [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► just about I think it would be good to [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► do what this what this shareholder but [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► whatever is trying to do this just seems [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► like a peculiar way to go about doing it [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► but I guess this is the only way a [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► shareholder can force apples hand I [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► don't know it's I know that's very muddy [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► in gray but do you guys have any [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► thoughts on this oh they're not this [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► thing doesn't ask them to throw out [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► executives like that's not the choice [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► they're making your oh I doubt this [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► proposal and you have to can one of your [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► top executives know they totally don't I [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► think we talked about this the maybe one [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► of the earlier times that it came up and [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► I think the situation is still the same [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► and it boils down to companies don't [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► like being told what to do right so the [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► fact that this is a shareholder proposal [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► and that is coming from the outside and [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► that the shareholders trying to say [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► Apple you should do this specific thing [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► I think just institutionally all [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► corporations are like you're you're not [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► the boss of me you can't like an apples [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► answer is always this weird sort of [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► vaguely hostile mumbo-jumbo to say look [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► we already have we already have our own [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► initiatives about diversity that are [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► actually broader than this very narrow [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► proposal therefore we reject it but [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► every time I look at this thing go I [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► have to think like it's this this is not [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► even actually about of river [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► diversity it is totally about the idea [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► that big companies and especially Apple [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► their default position on every single [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► share over the proposal is no no no no [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► we have board of directors we are the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► bosses of ourselves even though you [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► technically owned the company are some [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► large portion of the company through [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► your shares or whatever there are not [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► enough of you there is not enough of a [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► coalition to make it worth our while [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► listen to you you cannot tell us what to [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► do and doesn't matter what it's about [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► whether it's about you know a renewable [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► energy or executive compensation or [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► diversity over the years and looking at [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► these type of proposals and seeing all [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► the stories about like just Apple read [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► it apple always advises to reject all of [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► them and it's kind of ashamed of this [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► one is specifically about diversity I'm [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► not sheriff I'm not sure if the proposal [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► it would be better or worse at advancing [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► the cause of diversity with an apple [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► than what Apple is already doing it's [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► difficult to tell because again these [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► are you tend to be very focused and kind [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► of not vindictive but like like come on [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► Apple you gotta whatever you're doing [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it's taking too long and it is being [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► ineffective so here is a more aggressive [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► thing that may or may not have as much [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► regard for the success of the company [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► overall just saying look at we gotta go [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► off your butt so it could be the most [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► important function of these is to let [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► Apple no and no in certain terms that [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► they're not doing a good enough job [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► right that and that's why enough [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► shareholders got together to make this [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► proposal to vote on Apple's still going [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► to recommend against that Apple still [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► going to think their plan is good but [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► hopefully the message is getting through [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► that whatever it is that you're doing [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► you're not doing it fast enough or well [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► enough but I continue to think that [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► Apple will reject every single one of [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► these proposals are Apple Apple will [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► encourage the rest of the shareholders [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► to reject their mother because these go [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► up for a vote for all the shelves and [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► Apple has a recommendation we think [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► shareholders should vote this down and [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► in the end they tend to because the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► shareholders of Apple there are you know [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► at a certain point it's a small number [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► of very rich shareholders who are [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► inclined to do with the corporation says [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► versus a much larger number of not quite [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► as with shareholders who are backing [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► this type of proposal so it is kind of a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► difficult in a comfortable situation but [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I think Apple Apple should be getting [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► the message [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► Apple needs to change what it's doing [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► even if it continues to reject all its [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► continues to encourage its shareholders [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► of all these down and those challenges [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► continue to do so that's it's just a [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► tough situation and I wish that there [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► was a easy turnkey answer but I just [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► wanted to call attention to that so [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► breaking news just before we recorded in [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► a rare stroke of good luck for ATP it [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► seems that Apple clearly the executives [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► listen to this program because we're [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► getting a new Mac Pro wait nevermind I [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► guess they don't listen but anyway uh [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► yeah they seem to all the Apple [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► executive seem to always want to do [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► apple news on Thursdays which is the day [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► after we record but in a rare stroke of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► good luck on this evening like an hour [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► or two before we started recording it [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► was announced and I first saw it on [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► TechCrunch my friend of the show Matt [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► Panzer II know that Apple has bought the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► app and the company that makes it called [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► workflow which if you listen to any of [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the shows of some of our friends you'll [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► know that people like my curly and [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► Federico vtg for example are huge into [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► workflow I've used it a bunch i really [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► like it i'm nowhere near their level but [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► i do like it and use it and this is a [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► trick just whether or not workflow has a [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► place in your life it is a phenomenally [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► impressive app and basically it's sort [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► of kind of like Automator is on OS 10 or [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► excuse me mac OS that that's not a truly [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► fair analogy but sort of that's kind of [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► thing where you can you have a series of [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► different actions that you can string [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► together also vaguely similar to if this [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► than that and you can string these [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► actions together to do to create [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► workflows and and to do these just [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► unbelievably complex things so Apple has [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► bought workflow and the I guess the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► three founders of the company are going [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► to be working for apple and that's [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► really really exciting now I'm also [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► hearing breaking news that I haven't yet [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► confirmed that apparently they're [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► already they've already made the app [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► free good but they're already removing [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► chrome support and Street View actions [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► because Apple yeah well actually there [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► might be something else to that okay so [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► so a couple of weeks ago or recently [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► like a week ago so like that I got an [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► email from workflow I don't want to go [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► into too many details because I don't [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► know if they wanted this to be public or [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► not so I'll try to be tasteful here but [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► basically workflow has supported [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► overcast URL scheme for quite some time [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► and I got an email basically with from [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► asking me to sign a legal document that [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► basically says it's okay for them to [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► call my app via its URL schemes [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► something on the lines of like if you [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► want us to continue supporting this in [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► the future please sign this document in [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► my best guess at the time which turn out [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► to be true is that somebody is about to [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► invest a lot of money in them or acquire [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► them and is doing due diligence and [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► somebody's lawyer told the somebody with [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► all the money bind them or investing in [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► them you know they should really sure [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► this up in some kind of legal fashion to [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► make sure that none of the apps that [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► workflow calls via URL schemes would [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► later threaten them in any legal way for [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► using like an undocumented API or using [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► an API without permission or something [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► like that my best guess with the [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► immediate removal of the Google related [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► features is not that Apple is being a [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► jerk to Google but the Google probably [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► just didn't respond and didn't even [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► consider signing this document because [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► like it's a it's it's it was basically a [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► very very simple but still legal [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► contract like document I i I'm not a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► lawyer I can't tell you exactly what it [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► was but it looks like a very simple [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► contract so you would imagine like [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► emailing Google to say hey sign this [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► contract please we can keep calling you [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► from art from our iOS app like I don't [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► think that's going to be a high priority [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► for Google's legal department to review [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► but they're usually so responsive to [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► people it's so out of character for them [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► exactly so basically I'm guessing that [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► it again this is not some kind of like [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► you know Apple immediately being a jerk [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► to Google because their Google it's [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► probably google didn't feel like it was [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► worth responding to that or hasn't [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► gotten to it yet or legal decided it [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► wasn't worth the the legal implications [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► and so you know after the acquisition [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► Apple probably just says all right well [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► this is this is your deadline that [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► anybody just for legal protection [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► reasons for themselves anybody who [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► hasn't signed this document saying you [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► can call their secret api's or URL [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► schemes or whatever you can't do it [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► anymore that's interesting take yeah so [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► the the bigger issue on workflow though [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► is like after saw this acquisition what [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► I immediately felt was I felt bad for [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► fatigue E and Mike and all the other [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► workflow enthusiasts because when apple [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► buys a company that does something like [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► this it can go a couple different ways [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► they can be what they call an aqua hire [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► where the whole point is they're just [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► buying it to get these employees who are [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► proven that they're really really good [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► iOS developers and so we tap or Apple we [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► would love really good iOS developers [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► let's buy the company and now we've got [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► those developers and then the product [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► just gets sunsetted becomes free it [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► hangs out for a while is it's sunset sun [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► sat yeah and then it just goes away [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► other possibilities like what they did [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► with test flight where they buy it and [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► it continues to exist but now as an [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► apple internal thing but here's the deal [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► even in that scenario Apple's priorities [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► are different than the priorities of an [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► independent workflow company even for [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► strategy tax things like even though we [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► this chrome thing is probably not that [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► right but Apple has different priorities [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► different things are important to Apple [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► as the platform owner then they are [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► someone writing an application on the [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► platform so even in the best case [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► workflow is going to change in ways that [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► are better for Apple and probably not [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► better for existing workflow customers [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► it it could change in ways that are [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► better for both because they now work [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► all has access to private api's and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► notice about the roadmap or whatever [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► workflow itself could be integrated into [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the next major version of iOS as a core [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► feature of the OS to stop being an [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► independent application or become a [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► bundled application like there are good [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► scenarios but either way it is a [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► disruption to the workflow of all the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► people who use this application as part [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► of their daily work even if you just [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► have to rejigger all your scripts and [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► change things around so I there there [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► baby it may be a really bad situation [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► for people who love workflow but as [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► someone who has workflow and uses a [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► little bit but don't have my work is not [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► intimately tied into [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► but I think I'm hoping that it is a yet [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► another sign that Apple is trying to do [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► things to make iOS a more powerful [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► platform for people with more demanding [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► needs because I like I don't want to [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► believe that it was purely these guys [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► are good IRS developers get them and [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► have them do something I want to believe [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► it's because they recognize that the [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► people who are using iOS devices in the [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► in the most sophisticated way love [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► workflow and that's something those [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► capabilities should be part of the [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► operating system to make iOS on the iPad [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► or even on the phone for that matter a [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► more capable system so I think overall [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► it's encouraging but for anybody who [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► really really love workflow I think the [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► very near future is either slightly [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► painful or very grim but the longer term [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► future for the platform I think it's [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► better yeah I think that's right i mean [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► the way workflow you know where flow has [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► a lot of different features these days [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► but kind of the core of it and the first [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► part of it before had all these all [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► these new like API related features well [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► is it was just calling URL schemes for [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► apps and using X callback URL and [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► everything else and you know X callback [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► URL i I don't I don't say this to brag I [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► say this as historical context Greg [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► Pearce that I actually invented that [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► that's Greg Pearce is the developer of [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► drafts and and also a couple other apps [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► and one of them is terminology and which [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► is like it's like a fancy dictionary app [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► basically and back in 2010 he contacted [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► me asking like is there a way that we [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► can make Instapaper basically shell out [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► to terminology for its dictionary [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► lookups and we we basically went back [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► and forth over a couple days via email [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► and worked out this URL scheme called x [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► call back and that and you could just it [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► had these parameters and it was [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► basically the first thing i knew of on [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► iOS where there was a defined protocol [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► that you could launch you could sell it [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► to another app VAR URL scheme and give [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► that app a way to call you back when [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► it's done at the time i think both of us [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► look at this as [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► a tremendous hack and and and you know [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► an event and it became big anyway like [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► you know and Greg Greg went and and [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► really kind of took the ball and like [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► and ran with it and made a whole site [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► and directory about X callback URL [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► formally documented this little you know [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► fairly simple URL scheme spec that we [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► had come up with and then made this big [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► directory of all the different apps that [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► used it and document all the URL schemes [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► and naturally what made the the world of [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► x callback URL take off was that big [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► site that he ran and publicizing it and [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► everything else but even back then this [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► is 2010 remember even back then I think [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► both Greg and I looked at it as this is [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► really a temporary need that surely in [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► the future iOS is going to add some [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► better ways of interacting and scripting [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► and things like that like wait other [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► other ways to solve this problem that [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► isn't calling URL schemes in the [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► background and launching apps and then [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► kicking you between different apps and [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► having them all come to the program for [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► a second and kick you back like that is [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► kind of a terrible hack and now you know [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► almost seven years later iOS has added [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► extensions which helped tremendously but [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► only in certain ways like only in the in [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► the extension points and only in the [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► very strict ways those are defined and [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► in the very limited areas that they [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► exist in so extensions help a little but [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► what they need is something bigger and [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► on the Mac they have the entire [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► applescript interface not to mention [TS]