The Accidental Tech Podcast

213: Siri in a Can


00:00:00   with this we're gonna have this exact [TS]

00:00:01   same conversation about the goddamn Mac [TS]

00:00:02   Pro whenever that gets refreshed much [TS]

00:00:05   more conversation it's not going to be a [TS]

00:00:06   new mac pro it's going to be a fancier [TS]

00:00:08   imac it'll be a short conversation [TS]

00:00:09   they'll be finding them I'll buy one [TS]

00:00:11   anyway and that'll be that I agree with [TS]

00:00:13   most what you just said except it'll be [TS]

00:00:15   a short conversation yeah Thank You [TS]

00:00:17   Marco Wow pletely agree I'll ask the [TS]

00:00:19   show or two I'm just saying it's not [TS]

00:00:20   like we're gonna be obsessing a shower [TS]

00:00:22   too it'll last a month well I guess what [TS]

00:00:25   we'll do is we'll go back to talking [TS]

00:00:27   about the mac pro and they're like okay [TS]

00:00:28   fine so they did this imac thing but now [TS]

00:00:30   let's complain more about why they [TS]

00:00:32   should actually do a real mac pro [TS]

00:00:33   remember when they used to sell a [TS]

00:00:34   professional computer 15 shows later so [TS]

00:00:38   i think we finally wrapped that up but [TS]

00:00:41   we won't be talking about the imac the [TS]

00:00:43   mac pro will be we'll take care of in [TS]

00:00:45   the shower too that's true and then and [TS]

00:00:47   then one more show when we all get ours [TS]

00:00:48   but then mostly will go back to [TS]

00:00:49   complaining about seriously you're not [TS]

00:00:51   really making the mac pro anymore [TS]

00:00:52   especially if they don't say they're not [TS]

00:00:53   making they keep selling the old one [TS]

00:00:55   that'll be awesome like hell with the [TS]

00:00:56   new imac it wa really see it it's got a [TS]

00:00:58   Z on it but they keep selling the old [TS]

00:00:59   Mac Pro would be like what are you doing [TS]

00:01:01   what is it going through your head [TS]

00:01:02   here's a question do you think on [TS]

00:01:05   january first 2018 the 2013 back / will [TS]

00:01:09   still be for sale no absolutely not I [TS]

00:01:12   vote yes I I would if I had to pick I [TS]

00:01:17   would vote no but it's not as big of a [TS]

00:01:18   it's not as sure of things I I would [TS]

00:01:21   hope it would be as I think about it I'm [TS]

00:01:23   like you wanna bet five bucks betting [TS]

00:01:26   your any money i'm guessing january [TS]

00:01:28   first 2018 it's still for sale I'll take [TS]

00:01:31   your five dollar bet yeah alright it's a [TS]

00:01:33   deal because i think it's close that's [TS]

00:01:35   why it interesting bit because i think [TS]

00:01:37   they'll because i think they'll [TS]

00:01:38   introduce and I Mac Pro and the like and [TS]

00:01:40   this is the replacement for the mac pro [TS]

00:01:41   like that's that's how I think it'll be [TS]

00:01:43   position it will finally give them cover [TS]

00:01:44   to can that stupid machine the cam began [TS]

00:01:47   so my primary bet is that is that it [TS]

00:01:50   this is still for sale the the 2013 [TS]

00:01:53   trash yet Mac Pro is still for sale on [TS]

00:01:54   John January first my secondary bet [TS]

00:01:58   which I guess i will probably won't put [TS]

00:02:00   money on but my secondary bit is that [TS]

00:02:02   during the entire year of 2017 they [TS]

00:02:04   won't actually address this issue [TS]

00:02:06   publicly they won't even say anything of [TS]

00:02:09   substance about any kind of future pro [TS]

00:02:12   heart prototype hardware [TS]

00:02:13   that basically like this this year will [TS]

00:02:15   come and go with no changes to the mac [TS]

00:02:17   pro in either the product line or in [TS]

00:02:19   announcements pop vote if they make an [TS]

00:02:22   imac proud as I count as them saying [TS]

00:02:23   something all I think only that they [TS]

00:02:25   discontinued the mac pro but what if [TS]

00:02:27   they say this is our new vision for a [TS]

00:02:29   hardware ball a lot but then also keep [TS]

00:02:30   selling it for the same reason that [TS]

00:02:31   keeps telling everything because [TS]

00:02:32   somebody somewhere was to buy it well [TS]

00:02:34   I'd still win the primary bed in that [TS]

00:02:35   case the secondary bit of whether they [TS]

00:02:37   like have done this I guess would depend [TS]

00:02:39   on like it'd be a little bit Vega be [TS]

00:02:41   like is it just like the same processor [TS]

00:02:43   lines like you know like the Intel like [TS]

00:02:45   6700 k whatever like if it has the word [TS]

00:02:47   pro in the name like it's clear what [TS]

00:02:49   they're talking about is even but if [TS]

00:02:51   it's still pretty much an imac like it [TS]

00:02:54   would need like a Zeon like that's like [TS]

00:02:56   and not an e3 the e3 does not count as a [TS]

00:02:59   Zeon is there at eight core is there an [TS]

00:03:01   acorn on Z on until I know the in the [TS]

00:03:04   future I think tips are said a while but [TS]

00:03:06   like one of the various lakes coffee or [TS]

00:03:08   whatever one of those are supposed to be [TS]

00:03:09   a 6-core variant in the the series but [TS]

00:03:12   if there is like a quote I mac pro but [TS]

00:03:15   it still has the same consumer processor [TS]

00:03:18   line that doesn't count to me that's [TS]

00:03:20   just that's just my mac and yet because [TS]

00:03:21   the imac is fine the imac is great i'm [TS]

00:03:23   using one now like there's a lot of [TS]

00:03:24   reasons to have an imac but they can't [TS]

00:03:27   act pro on the end and sell it in space [TS]

00:03:29   gray and charge more but if it doesn't [TS]

00:03:31   have a xeon e5 in there that's that's [TS]

00:03:33   not a mac pro i will argue about it [TS]

00:03:35   later but i'm going to bed you Mac [TS]

00:03:37   brought him out that's it yep I am I am [TS]

00:03:40   tuckered out on the Mac Pro it doesn't [TS]

00:03:42   take much to be fair now it doesn't so [TS]

00:03:46   as always we start with follow-up and [TS]

00:03:47   Lucas gosen goosen guy need to look [TS]

00:03:50   these up before a record that's okay [TS]

00:03:52   though Lucas JIRA hates he cited an [TS]

00:03:56   existing app and we are not going to [TS]

00:03:58   name that app that is currently on the [TS]

00:04:00   iOS App Store that actually has [TS]

00:04:02   overlapping windows and colin allen also [TS]

00:04:05   wrote in to say that when he was working [TS]

00:04:07   at blackboard they shipped a multi [TS]

00:04:10   window ipad app with gestures now this [TS]

00:04:13   is a long time ago from what i can tell [TS]

00:04:15   so an allen's defense this you i was was [TS]

00:04:17   modern at the time looking at it now is [TS]

00:04:20   mildly alarming but there are things [TS]

00:04:24   that are multi window [TS]

00:04:27   in the on the iPad that exists either in [TS]

00:04:30   the past or today so does that change [TS]

00:04:32   how you feel about things in any way [TS]

00:04:34   shape or form John no because everyone [TS]

00:04:37   knows there's always things on the app [TS]

00:04:39   store that violate guidelines like this [TS]

00:04:40   that's the whole point of the App Store [TS]

00:04:41   guidelines if you try to say you can try [TS]

00:04:43   and did a little kid thing but why my [TS]

00:04:45   sister get to have lollipop like it's [TS]

00:04:47   just yes there are going to be [TS]

00:04:50   applications that the somehow got by [TS]

00:04:52   that didn't get flagged and yours gets [TS]

00:04:54   flagged like your argument is always [TS]

00:04:55   with with the rule system and not with [TS]

00:04:57   like people who happen to have skated by [TS]

00:04:59   I mean pick a guideline I guarantee you [TS]

00:05:02   can find multiple applications on the [TS]

00:05:03   app star the violet that guideline [TS]

00:05:04   that's just the way it is but anyway I [TS]

00:05:06   like seeing these examples of [TS]

00:05:08   applications that actually shipped in [TS]

00:05:09   this way and you know the world didn't [TS]

00:05:12   come to an end and also apparently it [TS]

00:05:13   was not a UI paradigm that was copied by [TS]

00:05:15   lots of other application so I'm not [TS]

00:05:17   quite sure how successful it was but I [TS]

00:05:18   like the idea that few of them snuck [TS]

00:05:20   through I like this better than the idea [TS]

00:05:22   then of millions of apps that send you [TS]

00:05:25   spam push notifications sneaking through [TS]

00:05:28   quote unquote mm-hmm all right and then [TS]

00:05:32   friend of the show Stephen Chow and [TS]

00:05:33   Smith has put together a swift [TS]

00:05:36   playground that will let you try the [TS]

00:05:40   floating keyboard on an iPad so you [TS]

00:05:42   would use the switch playgrounds app on [TS]

00:05:44   the on the iPad and run the code that he [TS]

00:05:47   is put on github I believe I have I [TS]

00:05:50   intended to try this and then completely [TS]

00:05:52   forgot about it but anyway you can [TS]

00:05:54   download this drop it in Swift [TS]

00:05:56   playgrounds and give it a shot have [TS]

00:05:57   either of you tried this nope and see I [TS]

00:06:00   really wish I have but it's not my mind [TS]

00:06:02   John those are they get for adding [TS]

00:06:03   anything resembling a programming [TS]

00:06:06   environment to iOS because someone's [TS]

00:06:08   like know what you can do with a [TS]

00:06:09   programming language you can write [TS]

00:06:11   programs then you know what those [TS]

00:06:12   programs do they execute on your device [TS]

00:06:14   without going app review just as if I'd [TS]

00:06:16   uploaded them from Xcode but I don't [TS]

00:06:17   have to do that because i don't have [TS]

00:06:18   xcode i just run this playgrounds file [TS]

00:06:20   and so dissolve apples worst fear is [TS]

00:06:22   coming true oh no selector Swizz lling [TS]

00:06:25   and private api's what will happen [TS]

00:06:27   nothing will happen it's the answer oh I [TS]

00:06:30   suppose you could probably you think you [TS]

00:06:31   could probably you know trigger a bug to [TS]

00:06:34   you know I guess you could crash the app [TS]

00:06:36   obviously but uh well crashing [TS]

00:06:39   playgrounds may not be such an [TS]

00:06:40   achievement [TS]

00:06:40   did you bring them could you bring down [TS]

00:06:42   the whole OS x finding some kind of bug [TS]

00:06:46   or doing something nasty to it anyway [TS]

00:06:48   that's what programming is and this is [TS]

00:06:50   this is fun way for people to try it to [TS]

00:06:51   see if this little keyboard is worth [TS]

00:06:53   anything it's kind of weird because [TS]

00:06:55   you'd want to use it with thumbs like [TS]

00:06:57   you would on a phone but you can't reach [TS]

00:06:59   it with both your thumbs on an iPad like [TS]

00:07:01   that's the whole deal that it is a tiny [TS]

00:07:02   little floating keyboard that you can [TS]

00:07:04   move where you want it to where you want [TS]

00:07:06   to put it so it can be out of the way [TS]

00:07:07   and not take up so much screen space but [TS]

00:07:09   you can't type on it with two thumbs [TS]

00:07:10   there's no maybe he put it in the corner [TS]

00:07:13   I don't know I did there's no way to use [TS]

00:07:16   it there's no way to use like you use it [TS]

00:07:17   on your far although I know a lot of [TS]

00:07:18   people myself included who frequently [TS]

00:07:20   type with a single thumb on the on their [TS]

00:07:22   phone so you ever do that where you're [TS]

00:07:24   like you're one hand is occupied and [TS]

00:07:25   you're texting something with a single [TS]

00:07:27   thumb it's I'm I'm okay added yeah I [TS]

00:07:30   wish I was there's swipe keyboards I [TS]

00:07:32   haven't used one in a while in fact I [TS]

00:07:33   just took that keyboard off my phone [TS]

00:07:35   because I use it so rarely but the swype [TS]

00:07:37   style keyboards and I think Google's [TS]

00:07:39   keyboard G board or whatever it's called [TS]

00:07:41   supports this the swype style keyboards [TS]

00:07:42   are very good for one-handed use but I [TS]

00:07:45   find that I don't use it often enough [TS]

00:07:48   that I just made it go away I think my [TS]

00:07:51   heavy have inappropriate thumb friction [TS]

00:07:53   for a swype keyboard every time I try [TS]

00:07:55   the mic and I can't find the right [TS]

00:07:57   balance of enough pressure to be swiping [TS]

00:08:00   correctly but not too much pressure that [TS]

00:08:02   I'm like scrubbing my thumb against that [TS]

00:08:05   I could just I need to tap item I'm not [TS]

00:08:08   a swiper I remember seeing demos of this [TS]

00:08:10   keyboard like wow this is awesome look [TS]

00:08:11   at that little line darting from key to [TS]

00:08:12   key but then when it comes time for my [TS]

00:08:14   big meaty thumb to do that this it's [TS]

00:08:17   it's hopeless so more priority if it [TS]

00:08:20   works for you but I cannot get the [TS]

00:08:21   swiping to work for me my word I don't [TS]

00:08:24   even know what to make about this I we [TS]

00:08:26   should just move on John can you tell us [TS]

00:08:28   about Apple and education got a lot of [TS]

00:08:30   feedback from people basically people in [TS]

00:08:32   education people who read their teachers [TS]

00:08:33   or school administrators or people who [TS]

00:08:37   do I T in education I've tried to pull a [TS]

00:08:41   few salient points out as a lot of [TS]

00:08:42   people had you know very complicated [TS]

00:08:44   detail stories about their one situation [TS]

00:08:46   but I'm trying to generalize here so one [TS]

00:08:49   theme i saw in a lot of the email was [TS]

00:08:50   the recent in recent years pushed for [TS]

00:08:53   one device per student [TS]

00:08:54   which was not a thing when any of us [TS]

00:08:55   were in school like that that not just [TS]

00:08:58   in the super rich schools but then in [TS]

00:08:59   all schools the ideal is when we're [TS]

00:09:02   going to buy any kind of computing [TS]

00:09:03   hardware for students who want to have [TS]

00:09:05   one for every single student which was [TS]

00:09:07   just not an option and you know in our [TS]

00:09:08   days because you'd have a computer lab [TS]

00:09:10   and like each classroom it out like one [TS]

00:09:11   I'm agron to imax or something like but [TS]

00:09:13   you know one computer for every student [TS]

00:09:15   that wasn't really feasible when [TS]

00:09:17   computers came with gigantic CRT's and [TS]

00:09:19   took up a huge amount of room but now [TS]

00:09:21   that they're all really small and [TS]

00:09:22   portable and cheaper and you can pull [TS]

00:09:25   that off so the one device per student [TS]

00:09:27   accounts for an increase in overall [TS]

00:09:30   volume of computing things that schools [TS]

00:09:32   by which is good for good for google in [TS]

00:09:34   this case because there there's someone [TS]

00:09:36   most of them we had one report of [TS]

00:09:39   technology getting more funding than [TS]

00:09:41   like less sexy areas like music and arts [TS]

00:09:45   which are you know parentally on a [TS]

00:09:46   perennially underfunded because tech is [TS]

00:09:49   sexy i think one of you brought this up [TS]

00:09:51   in the last show like the idea that [TS]

00:09:52   there's money to buy computery stuff [TS]

00:09:55   because everyone agrees that computers [TS]

00:09:57   are the future and our kids need [TS]

00:09:58   computers and like I mean obviously the [TS]

00:10:00   present now but when we were kids it was [TS]

00:10:02   like Oh everyone's gonna learn computers [TS]

00:10:03   because it's the future and if we get [TS]

00:10:05   computers in our school everyone feels [TS]

00:10:06   good about even though we're not [TS]

00:10:07   entirely sure if these computers make [TS]

00:10:09   education better in any possible way but [TS]

00:10:11   hey at least kids blow computers there's [TS]

00:10:13   still some of that in there and that's [TS]

00:10:15   exciting for all the kids in your school [TS]

00:10:17   to you know get iPads or get laptops or [TS]

00:10:20   anything like that and a couple of [TS]

00:10:23   people tell us that although Apple no [TS]

00:10:26   longer makes education only models like [TS]

00:10:29   the big ugly tooth and the emac the emac [TS]

00:10:34   and stuff like that they do have special [TS]

00:10:36   configurations of existing devices that [TS]

00:10:39   like you can't buy in the store but only [TS]

00:10:41   available for education and they also do [TS]

00:10:43   a thing where they continue to sell [TS]

00:10:45   devices in education even if the even [TS]

00:10:47   after they're no longer for sale to [TS]

00:10:48   consumers last time I remember them [TS]

00:10:50   doing that in a big was the ipad 2 it [TS]

00:10:52   was like gone for everybody but [TS]

00:10:53   education can still buy it so they're [TS]

00:10:56   still trying to do what they can to give [TS]

00:10:57   education there's no real nice way to [TS]

00:11:00   say this but like the cheaper crappier [TS]

00:11:02   moms because every even the education [TS]

00:11:05   only models like how are they different [TS]

00:11:07   from the regular [TS]

00:11:08   once they were cheaper which is [TS]

00:11:09   important but they were also crappier [TS]

00:11:10   because how do you get them cheaper you [TS]

00:11:12   make them crappier and it always struck [TS]

00:11:14   me as like a a weird bargain because do [TS]

00:11:18   you want to give a ram starved computer [TS]

00:11:21   to a school is a school the best [TS]

00:11:23   equipped to wrangle a computer that is [TS]

00:11:27   constantly running out of RAM especially [TS]

00:11:28   in the bad old days without it without [TS]

00:11:29   even any virtual memory on on max or [TS]

00:11:31   without a good virtual memory system [TS]

00:11:33   anyway that's less of a concern these [TS]

00:11:35   days but just two down spec so badly and [TS]

00:11:38   then put those machines into an [TS]

00:11:39   environment where the people available [TS]

00:11:43   to like baby them and coax every ounce [TS]

00:11:46   of performance out of them like it's not [TS]

00:11:47   that they don't have time for that much [TS]

00:11:50   better to give them a computer that sort [TS]

00:11:52   of works without anyone having to mess [TS]

00:11:55   with it and if UD content a computer to [TS]

00:11:58   use car parlance that's the bad [TS]

00:12:00   situation but that's what they want they [TS]

00:12:01   want it to be as cheap as possible so [TS]

00:12:02   Apple would make them very cheap models [TS]

00:12:05   and now Apple will keep selling new [TS]

00:12:06   devices long after no person should ever [TS]

00:12:08   be using them but I guess schools will I [TS]

00:12:10   mean again I look at that like the [TS]

00:12:12   laptop cart into my kids elementary [TS]

00:12:13   school filled with ice books how old are [TS]

00:12:16   those how old is that you know the white [TS]

00:12:17   plastic I book that's an old machine [TS]

00:12:19   like it was a great machine when it was [TS]

00:12:21   available and apparently it was good for [TS]

00:12:23   education because they aren't all dead [TS]

00:12:25   right I don't know how sturdy I mean I'm [TS]

00:12:27   assuming they're all like terribly [TS]

00:12:28   yellowed and stained and gross from you [TS]

00:12:30   know kids touching them because it was [TS]

00:12:31   plastic but like you know computers last [TS]

00:12:35   as long as I until they break because [TS]

00:12:38   why would you get rid of them and they [TS]

00:12:39   could just continue to try to find [TS]

00:12:41   something useful to do with them and on [TS]

00:12:42   that front by the way in terms of tech [TS]

00:12:44   funding and everything I live in a place [TS]

00:12:48   full of rich people and we have high [TS]

00:12:50   taxes and we vote ourselves we have like [TS]

00:12:52   the laws on the books say we can't raise [TS]

00:12:54   taxes more than X percent per year and [TS]

00:12:56   every year they have a vote to say if [TS]

00:12:58   you really want to raise taxes on [TS]

00:12:59   yourself vote for this and every year we [TS]

00:13:01   vote for to like to bypass the thing to [TS]

00:13:03   raise our taxes even more and despite [TS]

00:13:05   all that our public schools you go into [TS]

00:13:08   the moment and you know from the [TS]

00:13:10   standards of my own childhood they are [TS]

00:13:12   woefully underfunded in every single [TS]

00:13:14   aspect large class sizes facilities all [TS]

00:13:16   falling apart and the vast majority of [TS]

00:13:19   the computing technology that arrives in [TS]

00:13:21   the school on the year [TS]

00:13:21   basis is paid for entirely out of the [TS]

00:13:23   pocket of parents giving money to the [TS]

00:13:26   school like voluntarily themselves just [TS]

00:13:28   funding like that so that's more that [TS]

00:13:30   says more about the state of public [TS]

00:13:32   education funding in in our country than [TS]

00:13:35   it does about things in tech but it's [TS]

00:13:38   comparing it to my childhood when there [TS]

00:13:41   was like a computer lab with a small [TS]

00:13:42   number of computers and like my kids [TS]

00:13:44   experience in school where there are [TS]

00:13:47   more computers but that all of them had [TS]

00:13:49   to be bought by the rich parents of the [TS]

00:13:50   students who go to the school it [TS]

00:13:53   certainly doesn't seem like we are in an [TS]

00:13:55   age where it is accepted that schools [TS]

00:13:57   will have like one device for student [TS]

00:13:59   everyone will have at least an [TS]

00:14:00   elementary school will have computers [TS]

00:14:01   for everyone available it's like oh [TS]

00:14:02   you'll have computers if you live in a [TS]

00:14:04   place where all the parents have enough [TS]

00:14:05   disposable income to each give hundreds [TS]

00:14:06   of dollars to the school each year it's [TS]

00:14:09   the same way we got a new playground by [TS]

00:14:10   the way Oh collect money from all the [TS]

00:14:12   rich parents I'm you know we're glad to [TS]

00:14:13   do it because our kids are going there [TS]

00:14:14   we have the money we pay for it but it [TS]

00:14:16   seems like the wrong way to fund public [TS]

00:14:19   education anyway that's I'm really off [TS]

00:14:21   topic it's funny I probably have told [TS]

00:14:24   the story once before but to just [TS]

00:14:25   reiterate how terrible public education [TS]

00:14:27   is even in relatively affluent areas I [TS]

00:14:30   grew up in Fairfield County Connecticut [TS]

00:14:32   which at the time because of other areas [TS]

00:14:35   of the county was I believe the most [TS]

00:14:37   affluent County in the entire country I [TS]

00:14:40   lived in a very unremarkable part of it [TS]

00:14:42   so it it was not quite the same for for [TS]

00:14:45   me but certainly it was a fairly [TS]

00:14:48   homogeneous reality' v'lay affluent area [TS]

00:14:52   and every year probably about three [TS]

00:14:55   quarters of lady through the year our [TS]

00:14:56   copier paper or Xerox paper was [TS]

00:14:58   perforated in a very weird way and [TS]

00:15:00   curiously every single page we got said [TS]

00:15:03   danbury hospital radiology department on [TS]

00:15:06   the bottom of it and that's because the [TS]

00:15:08   only way we could have copier paper the [TS]

00:15:09   only way we could afford it is if the [TS]

00:15:11   local hospital donated it to us and it [TS]

00:15:14   was I guess their leftover that that [TS]

00:15:16   they had had perforated in a particular [TS]

00:15:18   way for their particular use but we just [TS]

00:15:19   rolled with it because what other choice [TS]

00:15:21   did we have and unlike you guys who are [TS]

00:15:23   I guess better than than we were at the [TS]

00:15:26   time we would beg to raise taxes just [TS]

00:15:28   the tiniest littlest bit to give the [TS]

00:15:31   schools little breathing room and every [TS]

00:15:32   time it was shot down and even as a kid [TS]

00:15:34   it drove me [TS]

00:15:35   I don't know Marco you're only like a [TS]

00:15:38   year away from dealing with this right [TS]

00:15:39   oh man yeah I mean kindergarten trucks [TS]

00:15:42   this fall for a kid so here we go yeah [TS]

00:15:45   have you for preschool for daycare heavy [TS]

00:15:47   as they probably not because that's like [TS]

00:15:49   privately funded but kindergarten to see [TS]

00:15:52   if this is like a nationwide thing are [TS]

00:15:53   just in certain areas I was surprised [TS]

00:15:56   when I first could enter kindergarten [TS]

00:15:57   that one of the things that teachers [TS]

00:15:59   would ask for is paper towels and [TS]

00:16:02   tissues and things like that yet seem [TS]

00:16:04   like staples of the classroom like hey [TS]

00:16:06   parents like it when I was a kid when [TS]

00:16:08   the teachers asked the parents for [TS]

00:16:10   anything it was hey parents have your [TS]

00:16:11   kids bring in some canned food for a [TS]

00:16:13   food drive for the needy right instead [TS]

00:16:16   it my experience with my own children [TS]

00:16:17   it's hey parents please bring in boxes [TS]

00:16:20   of tissues because if you don't there [TS]

00:16:21   will be no tissues in the classroom [TS]

00:16:23   because we have no money for them which [TS]

00:16:25   is like seriously like I'm these are not [TS]

00:16:26   frill that's the whole thing like oh we [TS]

00:16:28   want to buy a fancy new imac every year [TS]

00:16:30   it's like we need literal tissues for [TS]

00:16:33   kids with buggery noses in kindergarten [TS]

00:16:35   and there is no money to pay for them [TS]

00:16:36   like we can we can put a building that [TS]

00:16:38   keeps the rain out and we can keep the [TS]

00:16:39   temperature vaguely within human [TS]

00:16:41   habitable range but beyond that you know [TS]

00:16:44   you're on your own so it's time to [TS]

00:16:46   everyone to pitch in and make sure that [TS]

00:16:47   we have tissues and paper towels for [TS]

00:16:50   kids in the class yeah that's a teacher [TS]

00:16:52   still by a lot more than most people [TS]

00:16:55   know or expect teacher still by these [TS]

00:16:58   kind of supplies out of their own pocket [TS]

00:16:59   it's kind of horrible like it you know [TS]

00:17:02   teachers all know this and families of [TS]

00:17:04   teachers all know this but most people [TS]

00:17:06   don't and it's kind of sad and you know [TS]

00:17:09   cuz T it's not like teachers are paid a [TS]

00:17:11   lot to begin with so like you have these [TS]

00:17:12   jobs that are already not paid you know [TS]

00:17:14   what they're worth and then you have the [TS]

00:17:17   teachers having to buy like basic [TS]

00:17:18   supplies for their classroom out of [TS]

00:17:19   their own pockets that that seems so [TS]

00:17:22   incredibly wrong to me yeah but yeah for [TS]

00:17:25   those that don't know Aaron was a high [TS]

00:17:27   school teacher in a reasonably affluent [TS]

00:17:29   area of Richmond until she had Declan [TS]

00:17:32   and it was expected that at all grade [TS]

00:17:36   levels every single teacher and so this [TS]

00:17:38   is every high school teacher you have [TS]

00:17:40   will send home a list and there was a [TS]

00:17:42   term for it and for lightning I can't [TS]

00:17:44   remember what the name of it was but [TS]

00:17:46   they would send home a list of supplies [TS]

00:17:47   that every student was [TS]

00:17:49   to get so every student was expected to [TS]

00:17:51   bring Erin like one pack of tissues and [TS]

00:17:55   one set of like whiteboard markers [TS]

00:17:57   because we didn't have blackboards they [TS]

00:17:59   had white boards in like a handful of [TS]

00:18:02   other things and this was not unusual [TS]

00:18:03   this was expected in our schools as far [TS]

00:18:06   as I can tell are reasonably well funded [TS]

00:18:10   I mean this that's not the utter [TS]

00:18:11   disaster that is happening in many many [TS]

00:18:13   many parts of the country but even still [TS]

00:18:15   there they're so they're so big a [TS]

00:18:18   discrepancy between what teachers need [TS]

00:18:21   and what teachers can provide and what [TS]

00:18:23   the schools can provide that they would [TS]

00:18:24   have the parents bring all this stuff [TS]

00:18:25   into it was it was totally bananas but [TS]

00:18:29   it's what they had to do we are [TS]

00:18:32   sponsored this week by eero visit [TS]

00:18:34   eurocom for more info ero is the [TS]

00:18:37   solution to mediocre home Wi-Fi coverage [TS]

00:18:40   because let's face it we have so many [TS]

00:18:43   Wi-Fi devices these days you know we now [TS]

00:18:46   we have beyond our computers and phones [TS]

00:18:47   we have speakers thermostats light bulbs [TS]

00:18:50   everything all over our smart homes now [TS]

00:18:52   and Wi-Fi it just doesn't reach most of [TS]

00:18:55   your home if you only have one regular [TS]

00:18:57   router euro is designed to change all of [TS]

00:19:00   this era manufactures a single device [TS]

00:19:02   it's a small box about the size of an [TS]

00:19:04   apple TV and it serves as a wireless [TS]

00:19:06   router and with a dead simple app you [TS]

00:19:09   can put multiple eros throughout your [TS]

00:19:11   home they sell them in sets you can just [TS]

00:19:13   buy one if you want to but you're really [TS]

00:19:14   getting the BET the biggest benefit if [TS]

00:19:15   you have two or three the first one [TS]

00:19:18   replaces your existing router you just [TS]

00:19:20   plug your ethernet wiring into it from [TS]

00:19:21   your dsl modem your cable modem and [TS]

00:19:23   additional eros you just plug them in [TS]

00:19:25   for a standard power outlet and then [TS]

00:19:27   they connect wirelessly to each other to [TS]

00:19:29   form a mesh network that blankets your [TS]

00:19:31   home in fast reliable Wi-Fi a [TS]

00:19:33   distributed system like this is way [TS]

00:19:36   better than just having one router with [TS]

00:19:38   a whole bunch of antennas on top of it [TS]

00:19:39   or any kind of traditional range [TS]

00:19:41   extenders euro is actually better [TS]

00:19:43   because it creates a separate network to [TS]

00:19:46   talk to the other euro routers on which [TS]

00:19:48   is way faster and it doesn't as it [TS]

00:19:51   doesn't have nearly as much of a speed [TS]

00:19:52   hit as a typical range extender they [TS]

00:19:55   recommend one euro per roughly every [TS]

00:19:57   thousand square feet of your house so [TS]

00:19:59   the average us home you need probably [TS]

00:20:01   two or three of them [TS]

00:20:02   3-pack is a great starting point check [TS]

00:20:04   it out today there's a 30 day money-back [TS]

00:20:06   guarantee so if you end up having too [TS]

00:20:08   many if you don't need let's say you buy [TS]

00:20:10   the 3-pack you only need to within 30 [TS]

00:20:12   days you're going to return the extra [TS]

00:20:13   one and you'll get you get part of your [TS]

00:20:14   money back euro has been reviewed and [TS]

00:20:17   seen on tons of press outlets Wall [TS]

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00:20:20   TechCrunch everywhere they have a [TS]

00:20:22   massively great star rating on amazon [TS]

00:20:24   right now it's like four or four and a [TS]

00:20:25   half stars and Amazon you will see for [TS]

00:20:27   yourself and they did something cool [TS]

00:20:28   here they know that if I just tell you [TS]

00:20:30   to go to their site and get into a promo [TS]

00:20:33   code there's a good chance you're gonna [TS]

00:20:34   buy it from amazon or something anyway [TS]

00:20:36   so there's no more promo code everyone [TS]

00:20:38   gets the same low prices now the three [TS]

00:20:40   pack is now a hundred dollars off [TS]

00:20:41   permanently lowered from 449 23 29 so [TS]

00:20:45   now for just four hundred bucks you get [TS]

00:20:46   a three pack of these if you only need [TS]

00:20:48   two of them that's just 300 bucks now 50 [TS]

00:20:50   bucks less than it was before to get ero [TS]

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00:20:56   just go to bestbuy or Amazon if you want [TS]

00:20:58   to do that too and buy them there check [TS]

00:20:59   it out today ero eer oh thank you very [TS]

00:21:02   much to ear of responsive it came out I [TS]

00:21:09   don't know at this point it was probably [TS]

00:21:11   almost a month ago may it was a couple [TS]

00:21:13   weeks ago at the very least and it's an [TS]

00:21:14   ATP bringing cutting-edge news as we [TS]

00:21:18   always do and this is at apple.com / iOS [TS]

00:21:21   / home there'll be a link in the show [TS]

00:21:23   notes and this is the home kit like demo [TS]

00:21:26   promo commercially video thing and I [TS]

00:21:30   watched it once when I first came out I [TS]

00:21:31   haven't seen it since but the general [TS]

00:21:33   gist of it was there's a young woman who [TS]

00:21:35   wakes up and in has her breakfast which [TS]

00:21:38   is all automated and leaves the house [TS]

00:21:39   which is all automated and then [TS]

00:21:40   eventually comes home which is all [TS]

00:21:42   automated and watches a movie which is [TS]

00:21:43   all automated and reads in bed which is [TS]

00:21:45   I guess reading in bed and then turns [TS]

00:21:47   off for lights which is automated and [TS]

00:21:48   it's all amazing and perfect in every [TS]

00:21:50   way and as someone who doesn't really do [TS]

00:21:54   any of the robots in a cylinder sort of [TS]

00:21:58   thing this looked pretty impressive to [TS]

00:22:01   me it looked cool I can't say that I [TS]

00:22:03   have the Fate I don't know where I would [TS]

00:22:05   even get a home kit powered thing as far [TS]

00:22:08   as I'm concerned they're still all but [TS]

00:22:10   vaporware but apparently they exist [TS]

00:22:11   because they're all in this lady's house [TS]

00:22:13   so I don't know there's been a little [TS]

00:22:16   bit of chatter [TS]

00:22:16   about this do you want to tell us about [TS]

00:22:17   a John this is a tweet from Scott [TS]

00:22:21   McNulty on twitter i'm not sure if he [TS]

00:22:23   has all these devices i know he's got a [TS]

00:22:25   million Kindles but i'm not sure if he [TS]

00:22:27   has all that stuff but anyway he's tweet [TS]

00:22:28   about it about this new website that i [TS]

00:22:30   was to promote home kit was nice website [TS]

00:22:32   but the film to show cases to me how [TS]

00:22:34   much easier it is to tell LexA to do all [TS]

00:22:36   the same things because the video shows [TS]

00:22:38   for the most part the the person [TS]

00:22:41   touching big rounded rectangles on iOS [TS]

00:22:45   devices whether they be iPads or phone [TS]

00:22:47   to do things there is hasty good morning [TS]

00:22:50   at the very beginning speaking to your [TS]

00:22:53   phone that's on your nightstand and [TS]

00:22:54   having it set your thing up for the [TS]

00:22:55   morning and also later speaking directly [TS]

00:22:58   into the tiny horrible Apple TV remote [TS]

00:23:01   to say okay it's movie time to start a [TS]

00:23:03   movie although I'm not quite sure what [TS]

00:23:05   it does if you just say it's movie time [TS]

00:23:06   does it pick a random movie anyway [TS]

00:23:07   though those are both examples of [TS]

00:23:11   speaking what I knew I shouldn't have [TS]

00:23:18   activated that thing that I just said [TS]

00:23:20   but I did activist on my phone I have [TS]

00:23:23   never had a telephone enabled until very [TS]

00:23:27   very recently and now i'm going to this [TS]

00:23:33   is all stated but that's totally stated [TS]

00:23:35   anyway why do you turn that on i turned [TS]

00:23:40   on to see if I turned it on as an aside [TS]

00:23:42   I turned it on like a week or so ago [TS]

00:23:44   because I'm like look everyone else has [TS]

00:23:45   this on on their phone and I've had it [TS]

00:23:46   all exactly the for exactly the reason [TS]

00:23:48   you would think you would have it off [TS]

00:23:49   because I never wanted to accidentally [TS]

00:23:51   activate but very freaking all this gets [TS]

00:23:53   to the point of this thing I have a [TS]

00:23:56   cylinder that listens to me in my home [TS]

00:23:57   now and I like the idea that i can just [TS]

00:24:00   say things into the air and I'm like you [TS]

00:24:02   know what maybe that kind of [TS]

00:24:03   relationship with my phone is just there [TS]

00:24:05   waiting for me and I've been too [TS]

00:24:06   stubborn by keeping this feature off [TS]

00:24:08   since it was introduced like literally [TS]

00:24:09   never turning it on never even trying it [TS]

00:24:11   because it just sounded awful to me so I [TS]

00:24:13   should really give it a chance and in [TS]

00:24:14   this week or two that I've had it on I [TS]

00:24:17   have used it consciously about once and [TS]

00:24:20   now I have triggered it accidentally [TS]

00:24:22   once that's the first time I've ever [TS]

00:24:23   accidentally triggered it because what [TS]

00:24:24   occasion do I have to say that with my [TS]

00:24:25   phone nearby but for this for this video [TS]

00:24:30   showing speaking not to the air but to a [TS]

00:24:34   device that you know is nearby whether [TS]

00:24:36   it's your remote in your hand or a phone [TS]

00:24:38   on your your nightstand is to me [TS]

00:24:42   different then just yelling into the air [TS]

00:24:45   not yelling or just speaking into the [TS]

00:24:47   air the way you do with the cylinder is [TS]

00:24:48   that all the other things that are in [TS]

00:24:50   this video and like a lot of using that [TS]

00:24:52   the home kit thing on on control center [TS]

00:24:55   the third screen over or the hell it is [TS]

00:24:56   maybe it's the second I don't know and [TS]

00:24:59   pressing those rectangles to say I'm [TS]

00:25:01   here I'm doing this I want to do that [TS]

00:25:03   change to this mode we're just fine like [TS]

00:25:05   it's good to have buttons for all this [TS]

00:25:06   stuff but like Scott McNulty says in his [TS]

00:25:09   tweet anybody who has cylinders that [TS]

00:25:12   listened to you when you talk in the air [TS]

00:25:13   like that is the killer feature to be [TS]

00:25:15   able to just stroll around and just say [TS]

00:25:17   something and have it do things whether [TS]

00:25:18   it's asking you to set a timer or asking [TS]

00:25:21   what the weather is going to be tomorrow [TS]

00:25:22   or telling it to turn lights on or off [TS]

00:25:25   or whatever phrases you enter into the [TS]

00:25:27   thing like just getting used to be able [TS]

00:25:29   to say that even for our thing like the [TS]

00:25:31   stupid stuff asking you how to spell [TS]

00:25:32   things and multiply and divide numbers [TS]

00:25:33   like or define things or say something [TS]

00:25:36   in a particular language I don't have to [TS]

00:25:39   wonder is my phone in this room will it [TS]

00:25:42   hear me from that distance will I be [TS]

00:25:43   able to hear it you know that or [TS]

00:25:45   multiple phones in the room and they all [TS]

00:25:47   have that feature whose damn i'm not [TS]

00:25:49   going to say activated on it will they [TS]

00:25:50   all wake up and start trying to answer [TS]

00:25:51   at the same time and everything like [TS]

00:25:53   that the cylinders simplify all of this [TS]

00:25:55   and so this video I kind of feel the [TS]

00:25:57   same way this video basically says hey [TS]

00:25:59   we at Apple have home automation it's [TS]

00:26:01   massively less convenient than the [TS]

00:26:03   cylinders you talk to but it exists and [TS]

00:26:05   if you like tapping buttons boys it's a [TS]

00:26:07   thing for you and I feel like they're [TS]

00:26:08   really they're really missing the boat [TS]

00:26:10   on this type of home automation and it [TS]

00:26:14   makes me think once again that as silly [TS]

00:26:16   as these little cylinders are everyone [TS]

00:26:18   who gets one ends up liking it for [TS]

00:26:22   something like they end up liking it [TS]

00:26:25   more than they thought they would [TS]

00:26:26   because it certainly seems pretty dumb [TS]

00:26:27   and even if they only use one tiny [TS]

00:26:29   corner of the functionality that tiny [TS]

00:26:31   corner functionality becomes an [TS]

00:26:33   important part of their life and that I [TS]

00:26:35   think shows a successful product so I [TS]

00:26:37   think Apple not having something like [TS]

00:26:39   this for such a long time either because [TS]

00:26:42   they're coming up with the super duper [TS]

00:26:44   awesome one's going to be way better [TS]

00:26:45   than everybody else's and cost twice as [TS]

00:26:46   much or because they just thinks it's a [TS]

00:26:48   dumb idea I think they're missing the [TS]

00:26:50   boat and this website is like a giant [TS]

00:26:52   advertisement for them missing the boat [TS]

00:26:54   yeah because like you know as more [TS]

00:26:56   people get these devices to like timing [TS]

00:26:59   to the market is kind of important here [TS]

00:27:01   there is a significant first mover [TS]

00:27:02   advantage because once you have you know [TS]

00:27:05   a couple of these cylinders in your [TS]

00:27:07   house from one of the brands that sells [TS]

00:27:08   them if Apple's comes out and is just a [TS]

00:27:11   little bit better no one's gonna buy it [TS]

00:27:13   like the only it has to be massively [TS]

00:27:16   better to get people who have already [TS]

00:27:18   bought into these systems to convert [TS]

00:27:20   over and like you know right now I I [TS]

00:27:23   have the Amazon ecosystem I have a short [TS]

00:27:26   cylinder of my office and a tall [TS]

00:27:27   cylinder in the kitchen and you know and [TS]

00:27:29   when the google home came out I you know [TS]

00:27:32   I heard what most people said about and [TS]

00:27:33   I was initially interested but then once [TS]

00:27:36   everyone once all the reviews came out [TS]

00:27:38   and basically said like yeah it's fine [TS]

00:27:40   it's just about as good as the Amazon [TS]

00:27:42   echo it's not you know massively better [TS]

00:27:43   or worse it's about the same better in [TS]

00:27:46   some ways worse than others but about [TS]

00:27:47   the same overall then I immediately lost [TS]

00:27:50   any interest in ever trying it because I [TS]

00:27:52   well you know you know I already have [TS]

00:27:54   one it's all set up I have all my all my [TS]

00:27:56   integration set up I'm habituated to [TS]

00:27:58   saying its commands and and using it to [TS]

00:28:02   control stuff in my house and play music [TS]

00:28:03   and stuff so why why would I switch if [TS]

00:28:06   the other thing is not massively better [TS]

00:28:07   and so if Apple comes out with their [TS]

00:28:10   version of the Amazon echo or Google [TS]

00:28:12   home or whatever else and it's you know [TS]

00:28:14   Syrian a can like it then it has to be [TS]

00:28:18   way way better for me to care and for [TS]

00:28:20   anyone who's bought any of these devices [TS]

00:28:21   to care and I think the chances of that [TS]

00:28:24   are just not that great seeing how [TS]

00:28:26   syriac chua Lee is and has been today in [TS]

00:28:29   the competitive landscape and and seeing [TS]

00:28:31   apples recent you know kind of accessory [TS]

00:28:34   hardware in the two hundred dollar range [TS]

00:28:37   like the Apple TV or them killing the [TS]

00:28:40   airport base stations like seeing their [TS]

00:28:42   efforts in the in this kind of area [TS]

00:28:44   recently it just doesn't fill me with [TS]

00:28:47   confidence that if they do one of these [TS]

00:28:50   things that it's going to be massively [TS]

00:28:53   better than what we already have so it's [TS]

00:28:55   probably just going to be [TS]

00:28:57   roughly the same if not worse and as you [TS]

00:29:00   said twice as expensive probably so I [TS]

00:29:03   don't really see that going anywhere i [TS]

00:29:04   think the typical apple you know the [TS]

00:29:08   pattern of sitting back and kind of [TS]

00:29:10   waiting until everyone has like version [TS]

00:29:11   2 and then rolling out the amazing apple [TS]

00:29:14   one that might not work here i I think [TS]

00:29:16   that might just be more like what we see [TS]

00:29:19   with the Apple TV which is some people [TS]

00:29:22   buy it you know the the really devoted [TS]

00:29:24   Apple fans buy it but it doesn't have [TS]

00:29:27   mass market success because it's just [TS]

00:29:31   you know more expensive than everything [TS]

00:29:33   else but not better enough and possibly [TS]

00:29:35   even not better the one thing by all [TS]

00:29:37   accounts that Apple is doing better than [TS]

00:29:39   its competitors is security like being [TS]

00:29:42   very careful but really a partner with [TS]

00:29:43   and having very strict requirements on [TS]

00:29:45   security and privacy surely they are [TS]

00:29:47   better on privacy than Google and Amazon [TS]

00:29:49   are although there was that case where [TS]

00:29:52   was some some law enforcement agency was [TS]

00:29:55   trying to subpoena audio recordings from [TS]

00:29:56   Amazon echo or something in Amazon I [TS]

00:29:59   think this was Amazon did fight them on [TS]

00:30:00   it and said no you can't have our stuff [TS]

00:30:01   and they're trying to like get get that [TS]

00:30:03   audio classified in a way that it makes [TS]

00:30:05   it not available without a warrant and [TS]

00:30:07   all these other things right so but [TS]

00:30:09   there are a lot of security implications [TS]

00:30:10   to all these devices which at this point [TS]

00:30:12   you just have to accept that you are [TS]

00:30:14   compromising security in some way by [TS]

00:30:17   using any of these things and apple with [TS]

00:30:20   home kit seems to be trying to avoid [TS]

00:30:24   silly situations where a vendor [TS]

00:30:26   integrates with you and does something [TS]

00:30:28   extremely lacks when it comes to [TS]

00:30:32   security and you know has some obvious [TS]

00:30:34   flaw that either makes devices in your [TS]

00:30:35   houses into botnets or into spy devices [TS]

00:30:37   and stuff like that and that's good like [TS]

00:30:41   good in general with Apple tends to be [TS]

00:30:42   good on security and privacy but so far [TS]

00:30:45   consumers have shown no willingness to [TS]

00:30:49   value privacy in their purchase [TS]

00:30:51   decisions like that is not a [TS]

00:30:53   differentiating not enough of a [TS]

00:30:55   differentiating factor you know even [TS]

00:30:58   even in the phone space like Apple is is [TS]

00:31:00   very good on privacy and security with [TS]

00:31:02   its phones but I don't think that's why [TS]

00:31:03   people are buying iphones like they're [TS]

00:31:04   buying because they like iphones and [TS]

00:31:05   it's a nice to have and it's a perkin or [TS]

00:31:07   whatever but like people are voting with [TS]

00:31:09   their wallets [TS]

00:31:10   by buying you name it light bulbs [TS]

00:31:13   television cylinders that you talk to [TS]

00:31:15   with terrible security and privacy that [TS]

00:31:17   like literally intentionally spying you [TS]

00:31:20   record everything you say and doing then [TS]

00:31:21   then sell it to people and everyone's [TS]

00:31:23   like oh well with our TV works looks [TS]

00:31:25   nice you know like so it's not that [TS]

00:31:27   that's how the market is working right [TS]

00:31:29   now and what people can't do if people [TS]

00:31:32   don't value don't value it do we need to [TS]

00:31:33   change something for people to value it [TS]

00:31:35   do we need a new generation of people in [TS]

00:31:37   the aftermath of some terrible [TS]

00:31:38   privacy-related thing to deal with this [TS]

00:31:41   are we are we just happy to leave it to [TS]

00:31:42   the legal system say like well people [TS]

00:31:44   get hacked and hacking is illegal and if [TS]

00:31:47   it happens you know someone will stop [TS]

00:31:48   them someone someone but blah blah blah [TS]

00:31:50   Big Sky theory no one cares about what [TS]

00:31:52   I'm doing anyway so I'll just buy this [TS]

00:31:53   vizio tv and get spied on or whatever it [TS]

00:31:56   is now and it's true it's true of the [TS]

00:31:58   Google cylinder that i have is probably [TS]

00:31:59   true of the Amazon ones and it's you [TS]

00:32:01   know weeks we accept it for the [TS]

00:32:03   trade-offs even Marco famous paranoid [TS]

00:32:06   privacy advocate who won't put pre [TS]

00:32:08   compiled binaries into his application [TS]

00:32:09   is willing to trade a devices in his [TS]

00:32:13   house constantly recording him for the [TS]

00:32:14   convenience of saying something I was [TS]

00:32:15   like to go out at night well and to be [TS]

00:32:17   fair I'm that I'm risking my own [TS]

00:32:19   personal privacy with with that one and [TS]

00:32:22   then you know that's very different from [TS]

00:32:23   risking the privacy of my entire [TS]

00:32:26   customer base of my hat you're trading [TS]

00:32:28   your trading the thing that you can [TS]

00:32:29   trade was like it seems like a fair [TS]

00:32:31   trade to you're like well normally cares [TS]

00:32:32   about me and whatever and I get this [TS]

00:32:34   convenience and you weigh them and you [TS]

00:32:36   like well convene twins in this case [TS]

00:32:37   right you know I don't have any of these [TS]

00:32:41   devices in the house like I said earlier [TS]

00:32:42   and have only interacted with them a [TS]

00:32:45   couple of times and I don't think I get [TS]

00:32:50   it like it's neat I suppose but I don't [TS]

00:32:54   know I don't die this is like the old [TS]

00:32:56   man portion of the show and I'm [TS]

00:32:57   surprised took us this long to get here [TS]

00:32:59   but I don't really see how getting up in [TS]

00:33:01   walking a few cases to turn away so [TS]

00:33:04   terrible like and I know I know that [TS]

00:33:06   makes me know man i know that makes me [TS]

00:33:07   backwards and ridiculous i understand [TS]

00:33:09   you can't write a letter on a piece of [TS]

00:33:11   paper and wine to the mailbox is the [TS]

00:33:13   mailbox too far away you gotta have this [TS]

00:33:15   electronic messages i know i completely [TS]

00:33:18   agree with you and if the roles were [TS]

00:33:20   reversed I would be saying the exact [TS]

00:33:21   same thing to you like it [TS]

00:33:23   this I know I say this a lot and I'm [TS]

00:33:25   always wrong and so I'm sure this is [TS]

00:33:26   another time but this fills a need that [TS]

00:33:28   I don't feel like I have fast-forward to [TS]

00:33:30   six months from now gonna have probably [TS]

00:33:32   a an Amazon cylinder Google cylinder [TS]

00:33:35   maybe even an apple cylinder and I'll [TS]

00:33:37   love all of them their own special way [TS]

00:33:39   there'll be my mind my children at that [TS]

00:33:41   point but sitting here now I just [TS]

00:33:43   there's no integration there's no thing [TS]

00:33:47   that I that I can see today that makes [TS]

00:33:51   me want one of them in and I bet you [TS]

00:33:53   anything if one showed up at the house I [TS]

00:33:55   would end up loving it but it's just [TS]

00:33:57   it's even this video I watched and [TS]

00:34:00   thought well yeah that's cool but I [TS]

00:34:02   don't it's not it's solving problems I [TS]

00:34:04   don't think I have it's like any of [TS]

00:34:06   those things where you don't know you [TS]

00:34:08   have the need until you have it and it's [TS]

00:34:09   not going to be like a life-changing [TS]

00:34:10   thing like the iPhone was like you know [TS]

00:34:13   but but I feel like everyone has one [TS]

00:34:15   like we use our as less than I thought I [TS]

00:34:16   would because basically I was betting on [TS]

00:34:18   Google making their product better [TS]

00:34:20   faster than they actually are so oh well [TS]

00:34:22   better me if only you had friends who [TS]

00:34:24   told you beforehand to pick the other [TS]

00:34:26   one i don't think i would use the other [TS]

00:34:28   one anymore because i think it's [TS]

00:34:30   basically a wash at this point but [TS]

00:34:32   anyway apparently here's here's yeah you [TS]

00:34:35   know because it does it is really good [TS]

00:34:37   at the things that it does do but [TS]

00:34:39   eventually once you realize these things [TS]

00:34:41   are there and start to get into the [TS]

00:34:43   mindset what was it like we're sitting [TS]

00:34:46   down ours is it within earshot when we [TS]

00:34:48   sit down to dinner and we're sitting [TS]

00:34:50   about dinner trying to think of talking [TS]

00:34:53   about some songs someone heard and [TS]

00:34:54   because i subscribed to google play [TS]

00:34:56   music another reason by the way that i [TS]

00:34:57   wouldn't want an apple one is that i [TS]

00:34:59   would it would make me have to subscribe [TS]

00:35:01   to Apple music to do what I'm about to [TS]

00:35:03   describe we're having some discussion [TS]

00:35:05   about a song and I can just say into the [TS]

00:35:07   air I can just request into the air for [TS]

00:35:08   that song to be played almost any song [TS]

00:35:10   that could be played and it just starts [TS]

00:35:13   playing it because we were having a [TS]

00:35:15   discussion of what the lyrics for and [TS]

00:35:16   how it sounds and the kids wanted to [TS]

00:35:17   hear it and you know what has to get up [TS]

00:35:18   from the table or pull out their phone [TS]

00:35:20   and try to search for the song I just [TS]

00:35:22   say something into the air before you [TS]

00:35:23   even get your phone out of your pocket [TS]

00:35:24   and the song is playing and that is a [TS]

00:35:27   weird future world thing that I think is [TS]

00:35:30   awesome and it is it a big deal and is [TS]

00:35:32   it a need no it's not but for the [TS]

00:35:34   hundred and ten dollars or whatever I [TS]

00:35:36   pay for the stupid cylinder to be able [TS]

00:35:37   to say words into the air and have a [TS]

00:35:39   song that I requested play immediately I [TS]

00:35:40   think that's like worth the price of [TS]

00:35:42   entry even if I only do that once every [TS]

00:35:45   week and a half and the rest of time my [TS]

00:35:47   kids are just asking how to say things [TS]

00:35:48   in foreign languages like this is all [TS]

00:35:49   this is all bonus now it's not again not [TS]

00:35:52   a life-changing thing but once you get [TS]

00:35:55   used to the idea that something is [TS]

00:35:56   constantly singing your house and can [TS]

00:35:58   conceivably do things that you find [TS]

00:35:59   useful it's hard to go back to the idea [TS]

00:36:03   that nothing is listening and you have [TS]

00:36:04   to actually pick something up and hit it [TS]

00:36:06   with your fingers because there is a big [TS]

00:36:08   difference in how it feels to do [TS]

00:36:10   something it's kind of like difference [TS]

00:36:12   in how it feels to pull out your phone [TS]

00:36:14   and look something up versus how it feel [TS]

00:36:15   to get in your car and drive to the [TS]

00:36:16   library and look something up and now [TS]

00:36:18   this is you know it's interesting it's [TS]

00:36:20   like you know I it's an exponential type [TS]

00:36:23   thing where like obviously library on is [TS]

00:36:24   way longer than the looking on the phone [TS]

00:36:27   but now like how much how much longer is [TS]

00:36:29   saying something into the air to your [TS]

00:36:31   phone it's probably a couple seconds [TS]

00:36:33   couple minute but man feels it feels so [TS]

00:36:36   different and you just can't go back to [TS]

00:36:39   the other way and if you wanted to go [TS]

00:36:40   home full home automation everything and [TS]

00:36:42   cook stuff up to it and do all stuff [TS]

00:36:44   like that that feel like you're starting [TS]

00:36:46   to get into tech gadget land at that [TS]

00:36:47   point but but that can be awesome too [TS]

00:36:49   especially if it's like a hobby to have [TS]

00:36:50   a house where you can just say things [TS]

00:36:51   and have it do stuff and work with your [TS]

00:36:53   rhythms there's I think these devices [TS]

00:36:56   can be enjoyed at many levels and as we [TS]

00:36:58   said last time we discussed this most [TS]

00:37:00   importantly they're all freaking cheap [TS]

00:37:02   in the grand scheme of things like [TS]

00:37:03   they're not three dollars but they're [TS]

00:37:05   also not two thousand dollars like a new [TS]

00:37:06   macbook right you can get one of these [TS]

00:37:09   you can buy all of these you can put [TS]

00:37:10   them up what is the dot one what is the [TS]

00:37:12   short sale under marcos like it's like [TS]

00:37:13   40 bucks is 40 bucks yeah it's really [TS]

00:37:16   cheap you can get one of these things [TS]

00:37:18   you know on a whim just to see if you [TS]

00:37:20   might like it and throw it somewhere and [TS]

00:37:22   if you never use it you're like oh well [TS]

00:37:24   it's forty dollars it's like a nice meal [TS]

00:37:26   for one person like whatever you know to [TS]

00:37:29   answer your earlier question case like [TS]

00:37:31   you know you don't see what you know why [TS]

00:37:33   it would be a big deal to have faster [TS]

00:37:34   light switches or something the answer [TS]

00:37:36   is that there's there's like one thing [TS]

00:37:39   that gets most owners in the door and [TS]

00:37:42   four for most people i've talked to and [TS]

00:37:45   been around and seen be converted [TS]

00:37:46   including myself that one thing is music [TS]

00:37:49   you know [TS]

00:37:49   with John said like it really isn't [TS]

00:37:51   awesome to be able to just say Alexa [TS]

00:37:53   play fish and have that just work for [TS]

00:37:57   all of our lives on purpose in terrible [TS]

00:37:59   terrible troll not the first time that [TS]

00:38:01   or you know and you can say you know hey [TS]

00:38:03   cylinder play rock music from the 90's [TS]

00:38:06   or like there are it's just really [TS]

00:38:08   really nice to have that like there's a [TS]

00:38:12   reason why like places like Sonos or [TS]

00:38:15   having trouble now like anything that is [TS]

00:38:17   involved in the high-end audio scene for [TS]

00:38:21   tech geeks that is not voice controlled [TS]

00:38:23   as having problems right now because [TS]

00:38:25   it's once once you get into voice [TS]

00:38:27   control music it is so awesome [TS]

00:38:30   especially like when you know if you're [TS]

00:38:31   having like friends over for dinner or [TS]

00:38:33   something else and you just have it [TS]

00:38:34   playing and you can just anybody can [TS]

00:38:36   just say you know next song or pause or [TS]

00:38:38   volume up whatever else and our people [TS]

00:38:40   can call out their own request like it's [TS]

00:38:42   fun it becomes a cool a pretty cool [TS]

00:38:44   thing the the echo is not a great [TS]

00:38:46   speaker it's only an okay speaker [TS]

00:38:49   literally like in my house it is sitting [TS]

00:38:50   right next to a sonos speaker that is [TS]

00:38:52   way way better sounding and the sonos [TS]

00:38:55   speaker almost never gets used anymore [TS]

00:38:57   because it is just so much more [TS]

00:38:59   convenient to use the echo for music [TS]

00:39:01   purposes and so anyway you know what [TS]

00:39:03   gets someone in is usually one cool [TS]

00:39:06   thing that they like see or hear about [TS]

00:39:08   and they're like oh my god I want it for [TS]

00:39:09   that but then once you already have the [TS]

00:39:12   cylinder in your house and set up and [TS]

00:39:13   everything then when you know Black [TS]

00:39:15   Friday comes around and the switchable [TS]

00:39:17   out let's go on sale for like twenty [TS]

00:39:19   bucks you're like hey let me try one of [TS]

00:39:21   those you know and then and then we'll [TS]

00:39:23   ever need any try one really go that's [TS]

00:39:24   that ends up like there's that one lamp [TS]

00:39:26   it's the total other side of the room [TS]

00:39:28   and i turn it off every night and I ever [TS]

00:39:30   not have to walk over there and turn it [TS]

00:39:31   off and what if I didn't have to walk [TS]

00:39:33   over there I'd save like five seconds a [TS]

00:39:35   night and that could add up and then [TS]

00:39:37   next time they're on sale you get three [TS]

00:39:39   or four more of them because you realize [TS]

00:39:40   how useful they are and then all of a [TS]

00:39:42   sudden you can say I'll turn off [TS]

00:39:43   everything and all of your lights turn [TS]

00:39:45   off and when you're going up to bed and [TS]

00:39:47   you have a glass of water in one hand [TS]

00:39:49   and maybe some laundry or a dog in the [TS]

00:39:51   other hand and you don't have any hands [TS]

00:39:53   to hit all the light switches before you [TS]

00:39:54   go upstairs you can just say hey turn [TS]

00:39:55   off everything and five things turn off [TS]

00:39:58   at once and you could walk upstairs and [TS]

00:40:00   it becomes pretty cool and so it's that [TS]

00:40:03   how you get into this it's it is not [TS]

00:40:05   that you can't walk over and hit a light [TS]

00:40:07   switch but once you have one of these [TS]

00:40:10   technologies for some other reason like [TS]

00:40:12   music then it's and you know as all the [TS]

00:40:15   like you know home automation things [TS]

00:40:17   just start getting really cheaper you [TS]

00:40:19   know like that you can you can go on [TS]

00:40:21   going at these switch box for twenty [TS]

00:40:22   bucks whatever or you can have other [TS]

00:40:24   integration through web services through [TS]

00:40:26   like if 210 various services like that [TS]

00:40:28   and you know warm up your car or you can [TS]

00:40:31   you Casey you have your garage door [TS]

00:40:33   thing you can like open and close your [TS]

00:40:34   garage door by voice like once you are [TS]

00:40:37   in the system for some other compelling [TS]

00:40:39   reason like music you will start having [TS]

00:40:41   these other things trickle in and you'll [TS]

00:40:43   be like wait a minute this is kind of [TS]

00:40:44   awesome and none of its necessary like [TS]

00:40:47   you could operate your house without [TS]

00:40:49   these things but once you get into that [TS]

00:40:51   once you have have a taste of this it's [TS]

00:40:54   just really nice again it's not it's not [TS]

00:40:57   a must-have we can all send post with [TS]

00:40:59   send letters to the post office if we [TS]

00:41:01   want to but once you have something [TS]

00:41:04   nicer it is pretty great yeah it's funny [TS]

00:41:07   you bring up but both you bring up the [TS]

00:41:09   music thing because when i tried apple [TS]

00:41:12   music during the free trial when it [TS]

00:41:14   first came out the one thing I I deeply [TS]

00:41:18   missed about Apple music was being able [TS]

00:41:20   to say to siri you know play MuteMath or [TS]

00:41:24   whatever the case may be and and just [TS]

00:41:26   have it happen and that was super cool [TS]

00:41:29   and it was almost enough to get me to [TS]

00:41:32   pay for Apple music rather than Spotify [TS]

00:41:33   which I prefer for reasons that are [TS]

00:41:35   irrelevant but all the other things that [TS]

00:41:38   I preferred about spot if I were enough [TS]

00:41:39   to keep me away away from Apple music [TS]

00:41:41   and and I guess that's the difference is [TS]

00:41:44   with the garage door opener as an [TS]

00:41:45   example I immediately understood why [TS]

00:41:48   having an internet-connected garage door [TS]

00:41:51   opener could immediately improve or [TS]

00:41:54   improve may be a strong word but but I [TS]

00:41:56   can't think of a better one improved my [TS]

00:41:58   life where is the cylinders I don't [TS]

00:42:01   doubt that they would make things better [TS]

00:42:02   in all the ways you described but [TS]

00:42:04   there's less of a visceral tangible need [TS]

00:42:07   that I can see sitting here now and I'm [TS]

00:42:09   sure the time will come that I will get [TS]

00:42:11   one and i'm sure i'll be on this show [TS]

00:42:12   saying by god what was i thinking of [TS]

00:42:14   course I wanted this but sitting here [TS]

00:42:16   now ignorant [TS]

00:42:17   is less wow you know it does take it [TS]

00:42:22   does take some time to actually figure [TS]

00:42:24   out what do you think is going to be [TS]

00:42:25   good for after you just play with it and [TS]

00:42:27   find the limits of the thing and I think [TS]

00:42:30   it really it really a situation like [TS]

00:42:32   it's not it's not as if you have to like [TS]

00:42:34   every day I'm going to do this thing and [TS]

00:42:36   I'm going to use this thing to do the [TS]

00:42:37   thing like getting a new like device [TS]

00:42:39   into your life and incorporating into [TS]

00:42:40   subtasks you have to do like for me that [TS]

00:42:42   that's not how I experience of having [TS]

00:42:44   this thing it's more like developing and [TS]

00:42:47   awareness that this thing is there so [TS]

00:42:48   that when the need comes up that you [TS]

00:42:50   reflexively satisfy in other ways [TS]

00:42:53   eventually you come to remember I don't [TS]

00:42:56   have to do that I can just say this [TS]

00:42:58   question into the air and get an answer [TS]

00:42:59   even if it's like dividing two numbers [TS]

00:43:01   or converting like teaspoons into cups [TS]

00:43:05   or whatever like all those things are [TS]

00:43:08   things I've done my whole life and I go [TS]

00:43:10   I don't remember the convergence let me [TS]

00:43:11   check or whatever and you can always [TS]

00:43:12   like pick up your phone or ask someone [TS]

00:43:15   in the house you think knows the [TS]

00:43:16   conversion or you know all these other [TS]

00:43:18   the ways you have to solve this problem [TS]

00:43:20   eventually what the most important thing [TS]

00:43:23   you need to have is it you know a deep [TS]

00:43:26   grain instinctive awareness that I can [TS]

00:43:29   say this thing into the air and get an [TS]

00:43:30   answer right and that's the hardest part [TS]

00:43:32   because you will find yourself pulling [TS]

00:43:34   out your phone and typing into Google [TS]

00:43:36   you know how many teaspoons in a cup and [TS]

00:43:39   you'll do that and maybe do that without [TS]

00:43:41   even realizing you could have just asked [TS]

00:43:43   that question but eventually it sinks in [TS]

00:43:44   it sinks in after some incidents of like [TS]

00:43:46   arguing about the lyrics to the song [TS]

00:43:48   over dinner and realizing we can settle [TS]

00:43:49   this in 30 seconds I could just request [TS]

00:43:51   that song by title it will immediately [TS]

00:43:52   start playing or we can all listen to it [TS]

00:43:54   together right or not remembering who [TS]

00:43:57   you know what year someone was born or [TS]

00:43:59   who what album this thing was on or what [TS]

00:44:01   it like we could all take out her phones [TS]

00:44:03   look it up we all know how to do that [TS]

00:44:04   it's like you could do that or you could [TS]

00:44:06   just like put a little trigger phrase [TS]

00:44:09   that I'm not going to say in front of [TS]

00:44:10   that same question you were just asking [TS]

00:44:12   each other and instantly get some kind [TS]

00:44:14   of answer and it can go too far where [TS]

00:44:17   you know we have the recent rash of the [TS]

00:44:19   Google what is it the Google answer [TS]

00:44:21   thing where it tries to answer the [TS]

00:44:22   question definitively the top of search [TS]

00:44:23   results and it just throws on bogus [TS]

00:44:25   stuff that has no foundation and truth [TS]

00:44:27   right and all these devices again there [TS]

00:44:29   are security concerns and priorities [TS]

00:44:30   urns and I [TS]

00:44:31   thing but it is a glimpse of the as yet [TS]

00:44:34   unperfect it unrealized future and like [TS]

00:44:38   all gadget tech geeks we all like to [TS]

00:44:40   sort of see what that future is going to [TS]

00:44:42   be like and try living it even if it is [TS]

00:44:44   pretty rough at this point just because [TS]

00:44:46   we think there's value in it and [TS]

00:44:48   whatever form it takes in the future I [TS]

00:44:50   think this type of renter face has [TS]

00:44:52   proved it's worth that it has to be part [TS]

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00:47:00   YouTube also almost a month ago now it [TS]

00:47:04   has announced YouTube TV which means for [TS]

00:47:08   thirty-five dollars a month subscribers [TS]

00:47:10   get all four major networks ABC CBS fox [TS]

00:47:12   and NBC and around 30 of the biggest [TS]

00:47:14   cable channels and that price covers six [TS]

00:47:17   accounts so each member of the house can [TS]

00:47:19   have a personalized account that offers [TS]

00:47:21   recommendations tuned to their tastes [TS]

00:47:23   i'm reading mostly from the Verge's [TS]

00:47:25   coverage of this it will be missing [TS]

00:47:27   channels from Viacom including big names [TS]

00:47:29   like Comedy Central and MTV it also [TS]

00:47:30   won't have programming from Turner which [TS]

00:47:32   means you won't get CNN TBS TNT AMC [TS]

00:47:35   discovery and AME but this as someone [TS]

00:47:39   who is not really looking to cut the [TS]

00:47:40   cord this does sound pretty compelling [TS]

00:47:42   to me I don't really have a good feel [TS]

00:47:45   for what the landscape is for cord [TS]

00:47:47   cutters because I'm not even really [TS]

00:47:50   considering it at the moment but this [TS]

00:47:52   sounds really good Marco I know you're [TS]

00:47:53   not really that into broadcast TV but I [TS]

00:47:56   believe you've cut the cord so are you [TS]

00:47:58   interested in this at all yeah I mean I [TS]

00:48:00   the last time I had cable was about 10 [TS]

00:48:03   years ago and I don't say this to like [TS]

00:48:05   to super bragging the hipster way [TS]

00:48:07   possible just a fact I've you know since [TS]

00:48:12   then I've gotten into the habit of just [TS]

00:48:14   not having these TV channels I do get [TS]

00:48:18   and buy TV content in other ways like I [TS]

00:48:21   like through itunes and stuff although [TS]

00:48:22   honestly I cannot leave Apple TV [TS]

00:48:26   purchasing fast enough like as as Top [TS]

00:48:30   Chef wrapped up one more season I still [TS]

00:48:33   can't believe how bad buying TV series [TS]

00:48:36   on apple TV is and then watching them [TS]

00:48:39   and all the different things that don't [TS]

00:48:41   work or that work poorly or that [TS]

00:48:43   actually spoil the show like the [TS]

00:48:45   auto-generated thumbnails of the Last [TS]

00:48:47   Chance kitchen but you know I've kind of [TS]

00:48:51   gotten into the world now of not having [TS]

00:48:53   cable and so to to buy access to all [TS]

00:48:57   these channels to me [TS]

00:48:59   doesn't really sound that appealing [TS]

00:49:00   because I I kind of don't need them [TS]

00:49:02   anymore or I've trained myself not to [TS]

00:49:04   have them anymore so the idea of buying [TS]

00:49:07   access to all these things so I can like [TS]

00:49:09   watch broadcast TV and sports not [TS]

00:49:12   although with a bunch of asterisks and [TS]

00:49:13   stuff like that it is advertising a a [TS]

00:49:16   collection of services that I have gone [TS]

00:49:19   without for 10 years that i have already [TS]

00:49:21   like I I this is not something i really [TS]

00:49:23   am that excited about for myself i do [TS]

00:49:26   think it is it is a good idea for people [TS]

00:49:28   who have been maintaining a cable [TS]

00:49:30   subscription all this time for one of [TS]

00:49:32   these things or for multiple these [TS]

00:49:34   things like lots of people you know have [TS]

00:49:37   like for example sports fans like most a [TS]

00:49:39   lot of sports fan or people who just [TS]

00:49:41   like to watch like live news or we like [TS]

00:49:44   to watch some shows that are one more [TS]

00:49:45   than one of these networks that just [TS]

00:49:47   aren't available easily or affordably [TS]

00:49:49   elsewhere online at least legally so for [TS]

00:49:53   those people this is a great this is you [TS]

00:49:55   know a good good idea it seems like a [TS]

00:49:57   pretty reasonable price this at 35 bucks [TS]

00:49:59   a month for all this stuff now i'm [TS]

00:50:01   curious what what form does this take is [TS]

00:50:03   it is it like just a TV stream and [TS]

00:50:06   therefore we have to like skip [TS]

00:50:07   commercials and crap or is it more like [TS]

00:50:08   on-demand where you just pick what you [TS]

00:50:10   want to watch and there's no commercials [TS]

00:50:11   i'm not sure the way i read this was [TS]

00:50:15   it's that it would basically exist [TS]

00:50:18   within YouTube but I could have that [TS]

00:50:20   dreadfully wrong I'm not entirely sure [TS]

00:50:22   it's like they may they make mention of [TS]

00:50:24   things like a DVR style of recording [TS]

00:50:26   with unlimited storage space in Google's [TS]

00:50:28   cloud and the ability to skip over ads [TS]

00:50:30   so the kind of sounds like it's more [TS]

00:50:32   like watching a broadcast and you just [TS]

00:50:34   you know it's kind of like with a [TS]

00:50:36   broadcast with DVR style controls but [TS]

00:50:38   you'd still have to like fast-forward [TS]

00:50:40   through the ads so it's kind of weird to [TS]

00:50:42   see youtube as the company sort of I [TS]

00:50:46   don't know if they're very first out of [TS]

00:50:47   the gate but one of the first of the big [TS]

00:50:49   names to do what everyone's been [TS]

00:50:50   referring to was a this is the skinny [TS]

00:50:53   bundle thing where it's a subset of the [TS]

00:50:57   stuff that you can buy in cable with the [TS]

00:50:58   idea that people who pay for cable [TS]

00:51:00   nobody wants all those channels like [TS]

00:51:02   everyone just wants a subset of it so if [TS]

00:51:04   we could sell you a subset of it for a [TS]

00:51:06   cheaper price then that would be a more [TS]

00:51:09   desirable product for you and we could [TS]

00:51:11   get you on down [TS]

00:51:12   platform and stop you paying for cable [TS]

00:51:14   or stop you bang forget stop you paying [TS]

00:51:16   for television programming for cable [TS]

00:51:18   because once again the whole cord cutter [TS]

00:51:20   thing makes about as much sense as [TS]

00:51:21   debating which parts of a game engine [TS]

00:51:24   are done in software and hardware [TS]

00:51:25   doesn't really mean anything when you [TS]

00:51:27   look at the phrasing because oh I'm [TS]

00:51:29   cutting the cord I'm going to get all my [TS]

00:51:30   video content over a cable it comes to [TS]

00:51:32   my house the delivers data but doesn't [TS]

00:51:35   count because his internet and not cable [TS]

00:51:37   television and all its you know totally [TS]

00:51:39   different thing anyway Comcast would [TS]

00:51:41   still sell you your internet access or [TS]

00:51:43   verizon or whoever sell your internet [TS]

00:51:45   access but you just like no thanks I [TS]

00:51:46   don't want to pay for your cable [TS]

00:51:48   television bundle I just want the [TS]

00:51:50   Internet I'll pay you for that and then [TS]

00:51:52   over the Internet I will get things like [TS]

00:51:55   YouTube TV but anyway it's ironic that [TS]

00:51:56   YouTube is doing it because as far as my [TS]

00:51:59   children are concerned YouTube is [TS]

00:52:01   television then they barely watch [TS]

00:52:04   television anymore they watch youtube on [TS]

00:52:07   their iOS devices because that's what [TS]

00:52:09   they have if they didn't they were [TS]

00:52:10   watching anything else television like I [TS]

00:52:12   don't think they know what ABC CBS fox [TS]

00:52:15   and NBC are I don't think they recognize [TS]

00:52:17   those sequence of three letters if we [TS]

00:52:19   put them in sequence and say what are [TS]

00:52:20   these three letters they would not be [TS]

00:52:22   able to identify they have no idea like [TS]

00:52:25   they watch they watch enough television [TS]

00:52:26   they sure I've seen enough television [TS]

00:52:27   shows in their life but their entire [TS]

00:52:29   enterprise of television a is through my [TS]

00:52:30   tivo so there is no again trying to [TS]

00:52:32   trying to explain to them or young [TS]

00:52:34   children the concept of live television [TS]

00:52:36   is extremely difficult the mud that the [TS]

00:52:39   task of modern parenting right to [TS]

00:52:41   explain to your eggs your toddler what [TS]

00:52:43   live television is and why you can't [TS]

00:52:45   like fast-forward or pause or anything [TS]

00:52:47   like that like no this is happening now [TS]

00:52:49   this is live like or we can't watch this [TS]

00:52:51   because it hasn't aired yet like it's [TS]

00:52:53   going to come on at seven it's like what [TS]

00:52:55   are you even saying that I don't [TS]

00:52:56   understand like I don't understand these [TS]

00:52:58   words at your like and that they've I [TS]

00:53:00   know dad let me explain it to you you [TS]

00:53:02   just go like this and you tap over here [TS]

00:53:04   and but just why isn't it working i [TS]

00:53:05   think it's broken like no it hasn't [TS]

00:53:07   hasn't aired yet it's difficult thing to [TS]

00:53:10   explain right so youtube it seems has [TS]

00:53:14   the future locked up and yet they are [TS]

00:53:16   the ones out of the gate to say we're [TS]

00:53:17   going to try to get the old by giving [TS]

00:53:19   them something that makes them feel more [TS]

00:53:20   comfortable and you pay us thirty-five [TS]

00:53:21   dollars a month [TS]

00:53:22   we will resell you this content with a [TS]

00:53:25   nice kind of interface that makes it [TS]

00:53:26   look like you have a tivo but you don't [TS]

00:53:27   and you know some some fashion of on [TS]

00:53:31   demand type stuff and also with the you [TS]

00:53:33   know ad-skipping and so on and so forth [TS]

00:53:34   but like all these deals like the reason [TS]

00:53:36   it has always been said that Apple [TS]

00:53:38   hasn't had this deal as it has it had a [TS]

00:53:40   deal like this despite them pursuing it [TS]

00:53:42   for many years now is they could never [TS]

00:53:43   they can never get no presumably [TS]

00:53:46   according to Apple satisfaction an [TS]

00:53:48   arrangement of content in price that [TS]

00:53:51   they did Apple like that Apple said yes [TS]

00:53:54   that's what we want to go to market with [TS]

00:53:55   so they've come to market with nothing [TS]

00:53:57   and all these things if you look at them [TS]

00:54:00   it's like oh well you got all this stuff [TS]

00:54:01   we don't have all that stuff is that is [TS]

00:54:02   this the right price and the combination [TS]

00:54:04   of content like if you got this and [TS]

00:54:07   you'll be like I'm going to replace [TS]

00:54:07   cable and then you just realize like [TS]

00:54:09   that I'm trying to think of a show it's [TS]

00:54:11   on AMC like madmen used to be what son [TS]

00:54:13   AMC now the Americans is the Americans [TS]

00:54:16   FX anyway if if you get this and you're [TS]

00:54:19   like this will be just like cable we can [TS]

00:54:20   just pick the channels we want but you [TS]

00:54:22   realize you can't get some of these [TS]

00:54:23   things at any price Oh The Walking Dead [TS]

00:54:26   is an AMC better call Saul you realize [TS]

00:54:30   you can't get them at any price that [TS]

00:54:31   could be a deal breaker if you know it's [TS]

00:54:33   like well I guess we'll just stick with [TS]

00:54:34   cable because cable despite the fact [TS]

00:54:36   that cable is making you pay like you [TS]

00:54:37   know three dollars a month for ESPN that [TS]

00:54:39   you never watch it over the hell the [TS]

00:54:40   number is these days you have access to [TS]

00:54:43   everything essentially those cables and [TS]

00:54:45   mature industry and everything is resold [TS]

00:54:46   through cable subscriptions and if [TS]

00:54:49   you're willing to pay enough money you [TS]

00:54:50   can get everything to get a skinny [TS]

00:54:52   bundle I okay well I'll skinny bundle [TS]

00:54:55   for this and then I will just pay on [TS]

00:54:57   itunes for the walking dead the day [TS]

00:54:59   after it comes out or I'll watch Game of [TS]

00:55:01   Thrones on HBO Go or now and hope that [TS]

00:55:04   doesn't get overwhelmed by people and [TS]

00:55:05   like that's the other thing with these [TS]

00:55:06   skinny bundles you can be really sad if [TS]

00:55:08   Game of Thrones premiers and you can't [TS]

00:55:10   watch it because of some networking [TS]

00:55:11   thing whereas if you had cable it would [TS]

00:55:12   have quote-unquote just worked right [TS]

00:55:13   because it's broadcast versus you know [TS]

00:55:16   database television which has all the [TS]

00:55:18   problems of any you know database [TS]

00:55:20   solution so I don't know if they're [TS]

00:55:25   striking the right balance and honestly [TS]

00:55:26   I think YouTube shouldn't care that much [TS]

00:55:28   of the striking the right balance [TS]

00:55:29   because they sure as heck seem to be the [TS]

00:55:31   future of television as far as any of my [TS]

00:55:32   children are concerned and honestly I'm [TS]

00:55:34   watching more YouTube then [TS]

00:55:36   used to like this thing here you know [TS]

00:55:38   like as in subscribing to channels and [TS]

00:55:40   looking for content to come on them so [TS]

00:55:44   they I think this is a good move for you [TS]

00:55:47   to bits like we are already at the [TS]

00:55:48   forefront of this new thing and you know [TS]

00:55:50   we can scrape up some of those old [TS]

00:55:51   things and they're not so picky about oh [TS]

00:55:53   we can't we can't go to market with a [TS]

00:55:54   skinny bundle because not enough people [TS]

00:55:56   will buy it because it doesn't have CNN [TS]

00:55:57   and TBS like or a knee and AMC or [TS]

00:56:00   whatever like they're just like whatever [TS]

00:56:01   we'll go for it we'll see how it goes if [TS]

00:56:03   it doesn't whatever we're the future [TS]

00:56:04   will be fine whereas Apple is still [TS]

00:56:07   wedding for this beautiful perfect deal [TS]

00:56:08   that has extremely low prices and the [TS]

00:56:11   right amount of control for Apple and [TS]

00:56:13   can provide the right experience and so [TS]

00:56:14   they just have nothing they just have [TS]

00:56:15   nothing to offer that this TV app that [TS]

00:56:17   you know looks like it's a ghost town [TS]

00:56:19   and you can kind of see a glimmer of [TS]

00:56:21   what it was supposed to be but what it [TS]

00:56:23   is now is nothing compared to YouTube [TS]

00:56:25   nothing compared to you tube TV so [TS]

00:56:26   apples is not doing well here and [TS]

00:56:29   Netflix and Amazon and YouTube [TS]

00:56:32   definitely seem to be the future of [TS]

00:56:35   video content for an entire generation [TS]

00:56:36   of people whether they be you know young [TS]

00:56:38   children or Millennials or whatever who [TS]

00:56:40   just accept that you know the content [TS]

00:56:44   they want probably is an on TV unless [TS]

00:56:48   it's you know live news or sports stuff [TS]

00:56:50   like that and even that like those will [TS]

00:56:51   be the last ones to come over but the [TS]

00:56:53   future looks dim for the old model of [TS]

00:56:56   television in all aspects and these [TS]

00:56:59   skinny bundles entirely seem like a [TS]

00:57:00   transitional thing to get people over [TS]

00:57:03   the hump to the new system and the more [TS]

00:57:06   of them that are out there the more [TS]

00:57:07   people that pull over and like Marco [TS]

00:57:09   eventually like once you do it and [TS]

00:57:11   realize the world doesn't come to an end [TS]

00:57:12   and you just get used to that kind of [TS]

00:57:14   lifestyle and accept whatever the [TS]

00:57:16   limitations may be during the [TS]

00:57:17   transitional period it's hard to go back [TS]

00:57:18   like you rarely hear about people who [TS]

00:57:21   cut the cord try it for a year and then [TS]

00:57:22   immediately go back I mean maybe they do [TS]

00:57:25   if there's a disagreement in the house [TS]

00:57:26   about the how important local live [TS]

00:57:29   sports are and and a misprediction of [TS]

00:57:32   what a blackout would really mean to [TS]

00:57:33   your life but beyond that I feel like [TS]

00:57:35   the people who unsubscribe from cable [TS]

00:57:38   television especially in tech nerd [TS]

00:57:40   circles they find alternate arrangements [TS]

00:57:44   and are happy with it eventually like [TS]

00:57:46   that it that it is a successful [TS]

00:57:48   transition it's kind of like the people [TS]

00:57:49   by the sill [TS]

00:57:50   there's you're not quite sure what [TS]

00:57:51   they're gonna work out but you get it [TS]

00:57:52   and in the end it's better than you [TS]

00:57:53   thought it would be one thing that that [TS]

00:57:56   is somewhat appealing to me about these [TS]

00:57:57   new digital based services though is [TS]

00:58:00   that there's no equipment and that you [TS]

00:58:04   could probably pretty easily start and [TS]

00:58:06   stop your service in the past like if [TS]

00:58:09   there was like a big event of some kind [TS]

00:58:11   like like watching you know a [TS]

00:58:13   presidential election return or you know [TS]

00:58:16   a really important news event or a [TS]

00:58:18   really important TV show that I was [TS]

00:58:19   super into it I couldn't get any other [TS]

00:58:21   way like it would be kind of a bummer to [TS]

00:58:23   not have cable for brief periods in my [TS]

00:58:26   life and I would occasionally think [TS]

00:58:28   maybe we should just get it again and [TS]

00:58:30   just never use it and but like the idea [TS]

00:58:33   of having to like call up a local cable [TS]

00:58:36   company or whatever and have them you [TS]

00:58:38   know schedule an appointment and have [TS]

00:58:40   them come to the house during this [TS]

00:58:41   eight-hour window that usually becomes [TS]

00:58:43   more than that and they come at the very [TS]

00:58:44   end of it except for that one time where [TS]

00:58:46   they came early so you can't really plan [TS]

00:58:47   for it and then they install this giant [TS]

00:58:50   box that may or may not work if you want [TS]

00:58:52   any kind of DVR functionality you need [TS]

00:58:54   to deal with either another giant box [TS]

00:58:56   like the Syracuse a method or you just [TS]

00:58:58   deal with their crappy giant box but [TS]

00:59:00   their d crappy TV are you learn all the [TS]

00:59:01   controls all over again you get another [TS]

00:59:03   remote hanging on the house this giant [TS]

00:59:05   box and this you know all this overhead [TS]

00:59:08   of starting and then later stopping that [TS]

00:59:11   service like you want to stop that [TS]

00:59:12   serves you gotta call them on the phone [TS]

00:59:14   which I will do quite a lot to avoid [TS]

00:59:16   upon the phone talk to some customer [TS]

00:59:19   service rep convince this in the case of [TS]

00:59:22   some of these morally bankrupt companies [TS]

00:59:24   like Comcast convince them to please for [TS]

00:59:27   the love of God let you cancel your [TS]

00:59:28   service which you may or may not succeed [TS]

00:59:30   at that Mayor that may or may not take a [TS]

00:59:33   very long time to convince them then [TS]

00:59:35   have that whole process in Reverse [TS]

00:59:37   scheduling dealing with the equipment [TS]

00:59:39   whether you like I like drop it off [TS]

00:59:41   somewhere or have them come pick it up [TS]

00:59:43   and disconnect the wire like it's a big [TS]

00:59:45   pain in the butt and then they probably [TS]

00:59:46   have restrictions on like how often you [TS]

00:59:48   can sign up it or disconnect your [TS]

00:59:50   service again or like you know and then [TS]

00:59:53   there's all this basically BS involved [TS]

00:59:56   in starting and stopping cable TV [TS]

00:59:59   service [TS]

00:59:59   service [TS]

01:00:00   press so to have these internet based [TS]

01:00:02   ones where it's probably just like you [TS]

01:00:05   know clicking a few buttons and entering [TS]

01:00:07   credit card into the YouTube app and [TS]

01:00:08   then when you want to stop it you you [TS]

01:00:10   know go go through some screens and [TS]

01:00:13   there's probably an all-digital way to [TS]

01:00:14   do it where you probably want to talk to [TS]

01:00:15   anybody on the phone that is actually [TS]

01:00:18   probably a really good thing for the [TS]

01:00:19   cable industry it's not good in the [TS]

01:00:21   sense that it becomes easier to stop [TS]

01:00:23   your service but I think it is good in [TS]

01:00:25   that for people like me who don't have [TS]

01:00:28   it most of the time but occasionally [TS]

01:00:30   have some reason why we might want it I [TS]

01:00:32   think you're more likely to win people [TS]

01:00:34   like us over because the barrier to [TS]

01:00:35   entry is now lower than it was before so [TS]

01:00:38   that i think is a big new good feature [TS]

01:00:42   of this however that being said we know [TS]

01:00:45   what john said about the channel [TS]

01:00:46   availability is a big deal it includes [TS]

01:00:49   like you know the big broncos networks [TS]

01:00:50   but for 35 bucks a month that's like a [TS]

01:00:52   basic cable plan and it does not include [TS]

01:00:54   Comedy Central MTV CNN TBS TNT AMC any [TS]

01:00:59   Discovery it's like this huge list of [TS]

01:01:02   channels that come in pretty much every [TS]

01:01:05   standard cable bundle in the US for like [TS]

01:01:07   20 years and they don't come with this [TS]

01:01:10   and that kind of thing like in the [TS]

01:01:14   regular cable market like weather when [TS]

01:01:16   you're like you know choosing between [TS]

01:01:17   like in one of the various satellite [TS]

01:01:20   companies like like directv or dish [TS]

01:01:21   whatever if you have like if you choose [TS]

01:01:24   between like that or like Comcast your [TS]

01:01:25   files or whatever your local cable thing [TS]

01:01:27   is oftentimes like one of these networks [TS]

01:01:31   will be missing from one of these [TS]

01:01:32   services and that'll be enough to get [TS]

01:01:34   people to choose the other one so to [TS]

01:01:36   have this many things missing that's [TS]

01:01:39   really a pretty big problem I think so [TS]

01:01:43   this specific service at the specific [TS]

01:01:45   time with this specific set of deals [TS]

01:01:47   that they made having such limited [TS]

01:01:50   channel options that's gonna really hurt [TS]

01:01:52   them I think but the idea of this kind [TS]

01:01:55   of bundle i think is strong if anybody [TS]

01:01:59   can get all the deals in place or even [TS]

01:02:01   just some of the deals so let's just get [TS]

01:02:03   more than what youtube got we were [TS]

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01:02:47   much of the investment world that just [TS]

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01:02:49   recommending investments that they make [TS]

01:02:51   hidden commissions and fees from you I [TS]

01:02:53   have heard about betterment in the press [TS]

01:02:55   such as in the Wall Street Journal [TS]

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01:03:19   enter the hardware portion of the [TS]

01:03:22   program so I don't know which one of you [TS]

01:03:26   wants to kick this off but Intel is [TS]

01:03:28   going 14 nanometers one more time [TS]

01:03:30   apparently remember when they have the [TS]

01:03:33   tick-tock strategy and we talked about [TS]

01:03:34   that then became tick-tock thud or [TS]

01:03:36   whatever they change it to this [TS]

01:03:38   tick-tock when I figure what they think [TS]

01:03:42   like it's not tick tock anymore it's [TS]

01:03:43   like I gotta funded that Gao aiming [TS]

01:03:45   process architecture optimization right [TS]

01:03:48   and it was because basically like oh we [TS]

01:03:51   used to you know we do we do a process [TS]

01:03:53   rank than we do an architecture and then [TS]

01:03:54   we do a process drink they do no [TS]

01:03:55   architecture and it was kind of on a [TS]

01:03:57   yearly basis be the way that was their [TS]

01:03:58   cadence right and they're like oh we [TS]

01:04:00   can't we can't sustain that anymore [TS]

01:04:02   because every time we try to do a new [TS]

01:04:03   process is taking longer and longer [TS]

01:04:04   asotin 14-nanometer 210 or whatever the [TS]

01:04:07   next one is it's taking longer than we [TS]

01:04:08   thought so we're going to do a process [TS]

01:04:09   shrink or your architecture and then [TS]

01:04:11   we're going to optimize that [TS]

01:04:12   architecture so it basically give us [TS]

01:04:13   another year to get to the shrink the [TS]

01:04:15   new strategy is process architecture [TS]

01:04:19   optimize and you know what let's [TS]

01:04:21   optimize again because we don't have how [TS]

01:04:24   we don't have the new process size ready [TS]

01:04:27   to go [TS]

01:04:27   and it's kind of comical to see them [TS]

01:04:29   change their tick-tock strategy to a [TS]

01:04:32   three-step strategy to a four-step [TS]

01:04:33   strategy so it's like a like a little [TS]

01:04:36   kid stalling on getting their assignment [TS]

01:04:38   done it's like well my new strategy is [TS]

01:04:41   let's wait another year and you try to [TS]

01:04:44   look and see what like art so you know k [TS]

01:04:47   be like is not that big of a deal of an [TS]

01:04:49   enhancement because we've just got some [TS]

01:04:51   past things like some some video drm [TS]

01:04:53   stuff in there and some minor tweaks but [TS]

01:04:55   it's not you know like it is technically [TS]

01:04:57   an optimization of a pre-existing thing [TS]

01:05:01   but and maybe the next one they will [TS]

01:05:03   optimize more but we're kind of used to [TS]

01:05:06   even even in this you know age of the [TS]

01:05:08   the dwindling returns on Morris law used [TS]

01:05:12   to the idea that we will get a bigger [TS]

01:05:17   jump Oh in CPU capabilities and with [TS]

01:05:21   with the process rink and if that [TS]

01:05:23   process rink just never seems to come [TS]

01:05:24   it's like well what can we really do [TS]

01:05:27   like we did a really good job as [TS]

01:05:28   architecture to begin with this process [TS]

01:05:29   sighs the biggest bang for the buck [TS]

01:05:32   historically has been you know how can [TS]

01:05:34   we decrease power and get more [TS]

01:05:36   transistors to do stuff with and you [TS]

01:05:38   know like make different choices the [TS]

01:05:40   shrink gives you that Headroom could do [TS]

01:05:42   it provided you can figure out how to [TS]

01:05:43   make it work in lieu of a shrink you are [TS]

01:05:47   left with the same power budget and the [TS]

01:05:49   same number of transistors and just [TS]

01:05:50   making different trade-offs basically or [TS]

01:05:52   just being a little bit smarter about a [TS]

01:05:53   few components and you can make things [TS]

01:05:54   better that way but you can't make them [TS]

01:05:56   better in the knots of their giant leaps [TS]

01:05:59   but you know to to get a double-digit [TS]

01:06:01   percent increase in almost anything is a [TS]

01:06:02   very big effort within a given process [TS]

01:06:06   size especially in an architecture is [TS]

01:06:08   already pretty well optimized right so [TS]

01:06:10   this I'd like I say this is [TS]

01:06:12   disappointing but it is further evidence [TS]

01:06:14   of the slowing rate of advancement at [TS]

01:06:18   the at the edges of hardware down on [TS]

01:06:21   cutting-edge hardware like what is the [TS]

01:06:23   best process size you can get a you know [TS]

01:06:25   in a processor in a sophisticated [TS]

01:06:26   processor for any amount of money and [TS]

01:06:28   for another year in a row it's going to [TS]

01:06:32   be 40 nanometers I mean really like [TS]

01:06:34   these days like an Intel delay is not [TS]

01:06:37   news like wintel delays the next big [TS]

01:06:39   thing for a year [TS]

01:06:41   used to be like shake the industry these [TS]

01:06:43   days it's kind of more surprising when [TS]

01:06:45   they don't and I think a pretty sure [TS]

01:06:47   they're still ahead of most other people [TS]

01:06:49   because other people are like yeah we're [TS]

01:06:51   excited we have a 14 nanometer process [TS]

01:06:52   like this is Intel's going to be on its [TS]

01:06:54   third year 40 nanometer it's like well [TS]

01:06:55   welcome to the club right and I guess [TS]

01:06:58   that lead only counts if they get to the [TS]

01:07:00   next size before everyone else too but [TS]

01:07:02   I'm I'm guessing they will i'm guessing [TS]

01:07:04   this is not like Intel in competence it [TS]

01:07:07   is merely that it is getting much much [TS]

01:07:09   harder as the sizes gets much smaller as [TS]

01:07:12   we discussed in past shows Moore's law [TS]

01:07:14   cannot continue forever as far as our [TS]

01:07:16   understanding of the physical world is [TS]

01:07:18   aware because you cannot subdivide [TS]

01:07:19   matter into ever-smaller pieces at a [TS]

01:07:22   certain point you reach a size where you [TS]

01:07:24   can't break it into any smaller sizes [TS]

01:07:26   without super high-energy physics and [TS]

01:07:28   stuff so inevitably eventually [TS]

01:07:30   everyone's favorite infinite time line [TS]

01:07:32   argument Moore's law cannot continue [TS]

01:07:34   right because if you keep having a size [TS]

01:07:36   of things and you're down to like quarks [TS]

01:07:37   and stuff like no even getting down just [TS]

01:07:41   the size of individual atoms the whole [TS]

01:07:43   functioning of the way we manufacture [TS]

01:07:45   transistor stops working and we're [TS]

01:07:47   already getting into all sorts of thing [TS]

01:07:48   problems the feature sizes we're doing [TS]

01:07:50   so it will end it's just a question of [TS]

01:07:53   what does the slope look like as we [TS]

01:07:54   slide down into the doomsday scenario of [TS]

01:07:58   CPUs that never get any better and wait [TS]

01:08:01   for quantum computing to save us all [TS]

01:08:02   with entirely new paradigm but either [TS]

01:08:05   way I'm this is not the type of story [TS]

01:08:07   that i want to read i guess another old [TS]

01:08:08   man star i'll be able to tell is like [TS]

01:08:10   when i was a kid computers would get [TS]

01:08:12   massively faster every year and it was [TS]

01:08:14   amazing i remember those days anymore do [TS]

01:08:19   you want doom on a pentium it was like [TS]

01:08:21   can any computer be this fast how is it [TS]

01:08:25   possible last year this game was barely [TS]

01:08:29   usable and now it goes faster than my [TS]

01:08:31   eyeballs and that would happen every [TS]

01:08:33   year it's true all right tell me about a [TS]

01:08:37   AMD risin so i wish i had more time to [TS]

01:08:40   read up on this but we haven't really [TS]

01:08:42   talked much about AMD on the show [TS]

01:08:44   occasionally we mentioned them but like [TS]

01:08:45   we you know in the context of intel [TS]

01:08:48   alternatives but we've been doing even [TS]

01:08:49   less than that it's mostly because [TS]

01:08:50   despite doing very well in the [TS]

01:08:55   the glory part of pc CPUs back in the [TS]

01:08:58   day they PF londes remember those when [TS]

01:09:01   oh yeah when the AMD was actually giving [TS]

01:09:05   it until run for their money and was you [TS]

01:09:07   know taking a lot of the the crowns in [TS]

01:09:09   those this type of sort of speeds and [TS]

01:09:12   feed the measurements contest that were [TS]

01:09:14   so popular back in the back in the 90s [TS]

01:09:16   what is the best you know cpu for gaming [TS]

01:09:20   or for whatever and look at these [TS]

01:09:21   benchmarks in the highest then someone [TS]

01:09:23   and so forth an empty was doing really [TS]

01:09:25   well and they were an important player [TS]

01:09:28   and it was great to see the competition [TS]

01:09:29   and it forced intel i think to get off [TS]

01:09:32   of the net burst architecture in the [TS]

01:09:33   pentium 4 and come up with the core [TS]

01:09:35   series which was awesome and then it was [TS]

01:09:36   like Intel took the lead back and am and [TS]

01:09:41   wiped the md off the face of the earth [TS]

01:09:43   they came out with the bulldozer [TS]

01:09:45   architecture that was not particularly [TS]

01:09:47   successful and it was a bad choice and [TS]

01:09:49   they've always had sort of you know [TS]

01:09:50   financial problems as compared to the [TS]

01:09:52   behemoth it is intel and you know have [TS]

01:09:55   never been you know a competitive with [TS]

01:09:58   Intel's fabbing abilities and so we [TS]

01:09:59   haven't heard anything about them for a [TS]

01:10:00   long time and this seems like they're [TS]

01:10:03   come back like hey we're AMD we still [TS]

01:10:06   know how to make good CPUs and so they [TS]

01:10:09   have a line of CPUs that are competitive [TS]

01:10:12   like they're not they're not the best in [TS]

01:10:14   the world they're not like oh these are [TS]

01:10:15   10 times better than everything intel [TS]

01:10:17   has but it's a comeback story and people [TS]

01:10:19   like a comeback story this this company [TS]

01:10:21   that was not didn't seem to be even be [TS]

01:10:24   in the race like that people suggesting [TS]

01:10:26   apples you just use AMD processors that [TS]

01:10:29   suggestion stopped many years ago and [TS]

01:10:31   started to become apple should get AMD [TS]

01:10:34   to make a new processor that's better [TS]

01:10:36   than all their crappy ones right right [TS]

01:10:38   our apple should work with AMD or apple [TS]

01:10:40   should make its own xat but all but [TS]

01:10:42   never like Noah suggesting like you know [TS]

01:10:44   what Mac laptops would be better if they [TS]

01:10:46   took out the Intel CPUs and use AMD ones [TS]

01:10:49   instead and so they have the series of [TS]

01:10:51   CPUs which are significant mostly [TS]

01:10:54   because I have to come back in there [TS]

01:10:55   they're actually competitive good and be [TS]

01:10:56   in the vote for the most part they're [TS]

01:10:58   cheaper than the Intel alternatives I [TS]

01:11:01   don't think any I looked at them briefly [TS]

01:11:03   to see is there anything I their be [TS]

01:11:04   great for a Mac blow no they're not [TS]

01:11:06   Mac Pro caliber things but they do have [TS]

01:11:08   a lot of course for a low price with a [TS]

01:11:10   reasonable power envelope and I don't [TS]

01:11:12   think this means Apple will look at them [TS]

01:11:14   any more than they did in the past [TS]

01:11:16   because of ancillary issues and because [TS]

01:11:19   who knows what Intel's road map looks [TS]

01:11:21   like versus AMD's Road Mac but I'm [TS]

01:11:23   excited to see md back in the mix [TS]

01:11:26   because despite the fact that Intel [TS]

01:11:28   seems to be getting his butt kicked all [TS]

01:11:30   over the map by ARM processors and [TS]

01:11:32   mobile and everything having to do with [TS]

01:11:34   that because all of Intel's mobile [TS]

01:11:36   efforts have not really gone anywhere [TS]

01:11:39   and they're not particularly competitive [TS]

01:11:41   and they're just lucky to get like a [TS]

01:11:43   radio chip that in Apple's iPhones at [TS]

01:11:46   this point and every day they must [TS]

01:11:48   forget who did this may be the CEO it [TS]

01:11:50   already left regret the sale of their [TS]

01:11:51   arm holdings when they have the X scale [TS]

01:11:52   processor they arm things they'll get [TS]

01:11:54   rid of that because they wanted to do [TS]

01:11:55   everything x 86 anyway I like seeing a [TS]

01:12:01   competitor jennifer intel on the high [TS]

01:12:03   end as well because competition is good [TS]

01:12:05   and I hope this Spurs Intel to redouble [TS]

01:12:10   its efforts to stay ahead of the game [TS]

01:12:14   and to find ways to get more performance [TS]

01:12:15   and to find ways to get to the next [TS]

01:12:17   process size in to widen that gap again [TS]

01:12:20   between them and AMD not that I'm saying [TS]

01:12:21   I empties only purpose in life is to [TS]

01:12:23   make Intel stuff better but for the [TS]

01:12:24   foreseeable future I don't see Apple [TS]

01:12:26   switching to AMD unless they're asking [TS]

01:12:28   them to make their very own custom chips [TS]

01:12:30   and so for my purposes AMD exists to [TS]

01:12:34   give PC hobbyists a cool alternative to [TS]

01:12:36   build pcs with end to make the processes [TS]

01:12:38   that are going to be in my max hopefully [TS]

01:12:40   better cool sounds about right did you [TS]

01:12:44   make you want to build a pc no no what [TS]

01:12:47   makes you want to build a pc is Zeon's [TS]

01:12:48   like if i ever like you know a lot of [TS]

01:12:52   people build pcs and like a lot of the [TS]

01:12:55   hackintosh guides and stuff out there [TS]

01:12:56   and price comparisons are all about this [TS]

01:13:00   class of hardware there about like you [TS]

01:13:01   know imac class cpus you know that the [TS]

01:13:03   intel like you know 4000 series with k [TS]

01:13:07   on the end like those are really high [TS]

01:13:09   powered cpus for desktops they're really [TS]

01:13:11   nice but Apple already makes those they [TS]

01:13:15   already you know ship computers with [TS]

01:13:18   those and keep them reasonably up to [TS]

01:13:20   date most [TS]

01:13:20   the time they're called IMAX and the [TS]

01:13:22   imac 5k is a wonderful computer I'm [TS]

01:13:24   talking to you on it right now with the [TS]

01:13:26   exception of my image retention issues [TS]

01:13:28   on the display which everyone says [TS]

01:13:29   they're actually not solved in the most [TS]

01:13:31   recent ones with the exception of that [TS]

01:13:33   it's it's been a wonderful computer for [TS]

01:13:35   me and I expect you to serve me still [TS]

01:13:38   for a little for a while until something [TS]

01:13:40   faster comes out which barely really [TS]

01:13:42   hasn't happened the problem is I want [TS]

01:13:44   something faster I want more than four [TS]

01:13:46   cores I want you know higher performance [TS]

01:13:49   than what the consumer line can offer me [TS]

01:13:52   so I've only ever been tempted to to [TS]

01:13:55   build a hackintosh not to give myself a [TS]

01:13:57   cheaper iMac which I understand why [TS]

01:14:00   people do that you know that's that [TS]

01:14:01   makes sense but to to give me a computer [TS]

01:14:05   it's you me basically a Mac that Apple [TS]

01:14:09   does not even sell and that is you know [TS]

01:14:11   a modern mac pro well you can get it you [TS]

01:14:14   can eight core risin for three hundred [TS]

01:14:15   twenty nine dollars that ok wait cheaper [TS]

01:14:19   than the equivalent eight core intel [TS]

01:14:21   chip that is true you know I don't know [TS]

01:14:23   I had to I guess I'd take a look at if I [TS]

01:14:25   was to build a hackintosh I was looking [TS]

01:14:28   like for apples for apples purposes like [TS]

01:14:30   for an imac because again I don't think [TS]

01:14:31   any of these are suitable for as far as [TS]

01:14:33   I'm aware for a laptop chips or whatever [TS]

01:14:35   a nail still has that wrapped up but for [TS]

01:14:37   kind of like the debt what we used to [TS]

01:14:39   call desktop-class cpus where it's not [TS]

01:14:41   the Zeon's but it's not in the power [TS]

01:14:42   envelope but like the thing you could [TS]

01:14:44   stick in a night because it's bacon has [TS]

01:14:45   lots of fans and what we currently have [TS]

01:14:46   in the imac i think you could get either [TS]

01:14:50   a better processor in the same envelope [TS]

01:14:52   or an equally good processor for [TS]

01:14:55   hundreds less dollars going with AMD [TS]

01:14:58   again not that i think apple will do [TS]

01:15:00   this because of ancillary reasons and [TS]

01:15:01   other chipsets and thunder bolton and [TS]

01:15:03   just general relationships with them but [TS]

01:15:05   it shows me that there's once again [TS]

01:15:07   competition in the market leaves before [TS]

01:15:09   gnome was like oh you shouldn't be using [TS]

01:15:10   that if we were saying we shouldn't use [TS]

01:15:12   this particular intel cpu and imac we [TS]

01:15:14   were saying you should use some other [TS]

01:15:15   Intel CPU instead we weren't saying you [TS]

01:15:17   should use something or AMD or something [TS]

01:15:19   like that and now now you can say that [TS]

01:15:21   this products on the market to say Apple [TS]

01:15:25   here is an alternative for your imax i [TS]

01:15:28   know you're probably not going to do it [TS]

01:15:29   but what it does show is that intel [TS]

01:15:31   perhaps it's not serving your needs as [TS]

01:15:32   well as they could because [TS]

01:15:33   it is technically and financially [TS]

01:15:34   possible to make a chip that would make [TS]

01:15:37   Marco happier so why don't you do that [TS]

01:15:38   yeah I mean like most of my problems [TS]

01:15:41   don't lie with the processor companies [TS]

01:15:43   you know like their Intel's good enough [TS]

01:15:46   for me my problem lies in apples and [TS]

01:15:48   ability to ship hardware uh so does that [TS]

01:15:51   cover RZ on gold then or now no the Zeon [TS]

01:15:54   gold is the kids are supposed to use but [TS]

01:15:56   they won't ok I have not read up on the [TS]

01:16:00   Z and gold other than the part that I [TS]

01:16:02   pasted into the show notes its sky like [TS]

01:16:04   ep it's the sky like EP Zeon's which is [TS]

01:16:07   the the line of chips that would be most [TS]

01:16:10   appropriate to put in a new mac pro but [TS]

01:16:13   they're probably not going to do that so [TS]

01:16:15   therefore I have nothing to I haven't [TS]

01:16:19   even looked about too far into these [TS]

01:16:20   because in the past I've listened to [TS]

01:16:22   what sky like II was going to have and [TS]

01:16:24   it it is truly awesome it's wonderful [TS]

01:16:27   but it's just I don't know to me it's [TS]

01:16:31   its kind of even it's almost sad or [TS]

01:16:33   painful to even read about this [TS]

01:16:34   processor because I know that to know [TS]

01:16:36   this is out there but that you can live [TS]

01:16:38   in it exactly like it I just whatever [TS]

01:16:44   has been clogging up Apple I hope it [TS]

01:16:46   gets out and they start shipping [TS]

01:16:48   hardware again because something's wrong [TS]

01:16:52   like something is deeply wrong at that [TS]

01:16:54   company where where is the where it [TS]

01:16:56   where is all the effort going that's [TS]

01:16:58   what I want to know because it's sure [TS]

01:17:00   not going into the mac it's sure not [TS]

01:17:02   going into the apple TV its aren't going [TS]

01:17:04   into the ipad some of it but not much of [TS]

01:17:06   it is going to the watch like where is [TS]

01:17:09   it going some of its gonna be the phone [TS]

01:17:10   obviously but is the entire company only [TS]

01:17:12   capable of keeping the phone up to date [TS]

01:17:14   at a reasonable pace which even that i [TS]

01:17:15   got like a ton of its going into the [TS]

01:17:17   phone sure huge line of its going [TS]

01:17:19   they're a big company where the hell is [TS]

01:17:21   everything else yeah that's what i want [TS]

01:17:23   to know and until until we get software [TS]

01:17:26   some things offer even that like that's [TS]

01:17:28   easily a separate able thing like where [TS]

01:17:31   is the entire company going something's [TS]

01:17:36   wrong that's that's all i can say is [TS]

01:17:37   something is deeply wrong and need to [TS]

01:17:40   change but that's i know that's not very [TS]

01:17:43   helpful but when you have when you have [TS]

01:17:46   a UI 2016 in the product line [TS]

01:17:48   something's really really wrong 2017 has [TS]

01:17:51   a lot of checks to cash and we'll see if [TS]

01:17:54   they do i hope they do but we haven't [TS]

01:17:56   heard a lot of promising info so far to [TS]

01:17:59   suggest that they will accept Tim Cook's [TS]

01:18:00   vague promises did you see that thing i [TS]

01:18:02   retweeted earlier today of someone was [TS]

01:18:05   doing Swift compilation benchmarks like [TS]

01:18:08   how long does it take deep well yeah i [TS]

01:18:10   was linkedin yeah and and the two core [TS]

01:18:12   mac mini beat the highest-end trashcan [TS]

01:18:15   mac pro yeah me great that's because of [TS]

01:18:17   like you know problems in the swift [TS]

01:18:18   compiler I think it's not like that is [TS]

01:18:21   not because the mac minis faster I know [TS]

01:18:23   but it like here's what this shows it [TS]

01:18:25   doesn't show the quality of the hardware [TS]

01:18:26   it shows support for the hardware like [TS]

01:18:28   obviously there is something not [TS]

01:18:30   allowing the compiler to take advantage [TS]

01:18:33   of this hardware in the same way that [TS]

01:18:34   very often they were like weird retina [TS]

01:18:36   issues with the mac pro because it is [TS]

01:18:38   such a rare machine and so if we will [TS]

01:18:39   have them that OS support for it and [TS]

01:18:42   like just in general the software [TS]

01:18:45   whether it's the Oso via applications [TS]

01:18:46   have no expectation of ever running out [TS]

01:18:49   of trash can because there's so few of [TS]

01:18:50   them so it's not not only is it not [TS]

01:18:51   optimized for it but doesn't even take [TS]

01:18:53   advantage of the hardware that's there [TS]

01:18:54   it's like the worst case scenario of [TS]

01:18:56   like you know you get weird pc hardware [TS]

01:18:58   but windows doesn't support it well only [TS]

01:18:59   this is apple and this is you know they [TS]

01:19:01   have a limited line of hardware and like [TS]

01:19:03   that's all I've ever heard from Mac [TS]

01:19:05   crash a Mac Pro users is that they feel [TS]

01:19:08   left out of the rest of the apple [TS]

01:19:11   ecosystem because all of these software [TS]

01:19:13   updates and application updates and OS [TS]

01:19:15   updates pretend that they don't exist so [TS]

01:19:17   any weird problems they have don't go [TS]

01:19:20   away don't get fixed and new software [TS]

01:19:22   doesn't take advantage of all the course [TS]

01:19:24   that they have and so on and so forth it [TS]

01:19:25   which is which is sad because that's [TS]

01:19:27   exactly how it's supposed to be you put [TS]

01:19:29   out this exotic piece of hardware and [TS]

01:19:30   don't worry about it because you make [TS]

01:19:31   the os/2 and all and a bunch of the [TS]

01:19:33   applications as well you can make sure [TS]

01:19:35   that it is leverage and that you take [TS]

01:19:37   advantage of it and when that doesn't [TS]

01:19:38   happen you just have an exotic piece of [TS]

01:19:40   hardware that gets worse over time and [TS]

01:19:42   you know eventually got mac minis [TS]

01:19:44   beating you in a compilation [TS]

01:19:44   benchmarking like why no I get that I [TS]

01:19:49   really think that's like you know Xcode [TS]

01:19:51   and the compiler having bad settings but [TS]

01:19:53   you know the point you're a larger point [TS]

01:19:56   about you know maintenance and support [TS]

01:19:57   does stand I mean [TS]

01:19:58   people say like look at Apple they have [TS]

01:20:01   all the money in the world why can't [TS]

01:20:03   they do X well you know it wasn't that [TS]

01:20:05   long ago that Microsoft's all the money [TS]

01:20:07   in the world and they had like two [TS]

01:20:09   decades where they did almost nothing [TS]

01:20:10   Microsoft had a very very long span [TS]

01:20:13   where they could not produce anything [TS]

01:20:15   even good let alone great and it you [TS]

01:20:20   know it's arguable whether they've come [TS]

01:20:21   out that yet but but you know they [TS]

01:20:24   they're they're trying they're doing a [TS]

01:20:26   lot better now they're doing a lot [TS]

01:20:27   better than they were like it in like [TS]

01:20:29   the like the windows vista era like [TS]

01:20:31   first leading up to Vista and then Vista [TS]

01:20:32   itself and you know at like Microsoft [TS]

01:20:35   had all the money in the world but [TS]

01:20:38   simply could not manage to ship great [TS]

01:20:41   things because of other problems because [TS]

01:20:44   of mismanagement because of internal [TS]

01:20:46   problems whatever the case was app or [TS]

01:20:50   Microsoft had just no ability to apply [TS]

01:20:53   their money into creating good products [TS]

01:20:56   reliably and I think we are at that [TS]

01:20:58   point now with Apple it is very very [TS]

01:21:00   hard to to look at the output of Apple [TS]

01:21:02   over the last couple of years and say [TS]

01:21:04   otherwise they're a company that can [TS]

01:21:06   produce good things sometimes but [TS]

01:21:08   increasingly that's the exception not [TS]

01:21:10   the norm and that's really really [TS]

01:21:13   worrisome to me one of the way that [TS]

01:21:15   Microsoft got out of it I got out of [TS]

01:21:16   their funk aside from changing [TS]

01:21:18   management stuff was they tried a lot of [TS]

01:21:20   different things most of which failed [TS]

01:21:22   but they they tried a lot of them and I [TS]

01:21:24   think you know if i look at like what [TS]

01:21:26   was what was the success story that was [TS]

01:21:30   able to convince microsoft itself and [TS]

01:21:32   the outside world that Microsoft could [TS]

01:21:34   conceivably do good things again I feel [TS]

01:21:36   like it was the Xbox because that was a [TS]

01:21:39   weird marketing why the hell pancras off [TS]

01:21:40   making a game console right and it you [TS]

01:21:44   know it struggled and they had to learn [TS]

01:21:46   this new business in the same way that [TS]

01:21:47   Apple kind of had to learn the new [TS]

01:21:48   business of cell phones and they didn't [TS]

01:21:50   it you know it is not comparable to the [TS]

01:21:52   iphone obviously in terms of the scope [TS]

01:21:54   of its success and how important it was [TS]

01:21:55   to you know because it was just another [TS]

01:21:57   game console for the most part i'll vote [TS]

01:21:58   had its own innovations but it of all [TS]

01:22:01   the things they did they tried so many [TS]

01:22:02   things so many different mobile phone [TS]

01:22:04   strategies so many different tablet and [TS]

01:22:05   pen computing like they were so close to [TS]

01:22:07   so many innovations but because they [TS]

01:22:09   kept trying all these different things [TS]

01:22:11   I didn't remember how things I did that [TS]

01:22:12   that sidekick company that they bought [TS]

01:22:14   with little tourney people think they [TS]

01:22:16   sold like yeah but Xbox of all things [TS]

01:22:20   like unquestionably was a success in its [TS]

01:22:24   market in a very difficult market that [TS]

01:22:26   has killed many a company who have tried [TS]

01:22:29   to enter it and be successful and so it [TS]

01:22:32   I I think Apple probably continues to [TS]

01:22:37   need to needs to continue to do what it [TS]

01:22:40   seems to have been doing and like be [TS]

01:22:42   willing to try like the watch is a good [TS]

01:22:44   example try a watch maybe it's going to [TS]

01:22:46   be awesome maybe one or whatever but but [TS]

01:22:47   do it like we don't need to be I don't [TS]

01:22:49   think we need to be came and set up I [TS]

01:22:50   can still do great things because you [TS]

01:22:52   know the Apple watch is successful as it [TS]

01:22:55   may or may not be it's you know I think [TS]

01:22:58   it's a big step up for the the [TS]

01:23:00   SmartWatch market and in many ways has [TS]

01:23:02   come to not redefine that market but [TS]

01:23:06   sort of pin down what people expect from [TS]

01:23:08   smartwatches to the point where smart [TS]

01:23:10   watches are very much now aping some of [TS]

01:23:14   the looks and features of apples things [TS]

01:23:16   if only to to capitalize on their you [TS]

01:23:19   know their marketing cachet but [TS]

01:23:21   self-driving cars all sorts of things [TS]

01:23:23   that we say why is Apple even doing that [TS]

01:23:25   all you need is one or two of them tit [TS]

01:23:28   for it to be worthwhile thus far none of [TS]

01:23:31   them have been big successes but if [TS]

01:23:33   Apple was in a Microsoft type situation [TS]

01:23:35   we would all be looking at the watch or [TS]

01:23:36   the air pots they see Apple can make [TS]

01:23:38   great things again Apple's not down that [TS]

01:23:39   low when we see the air pause for like [TS]

01:23:41   yes that's what Apple should be doing [TS]

01:23:42   and that's what we expected you write [TS]

01:23:44   verses we're super surprised that you've [TS]

01:23:46   made a successful good product we're not [TS]

01:23:47   surprised with what we expect we still [TS]

01:23:49   expect we still have high expectations [TS]

01:23:50   of Apple we still have we still hold [TS]

01:23:52   them to high standards and I think [TS]

01:23:54   that's good but i also like that's why i [TS]

01:23:57   don't want to be too down on all the [TS]

01:23:59   weird stuff Apple is doing it I know [TS]

01:24:00   it's easy to do that you know the [TS]

01:24:01   trade-offs like oh you should just be [TS]

01:24:02   making mex better because that's what I [TS]

01:24:04   like or whatever but as you point out [TS]

01:24:05   Marco for all we know there's entirely [TS]

01:24:07   separate things and it's not like they [TS]

01:24:08   lack the money so as long as it's not [TS]

01:24:10   literally the people who were going to [TS]

01:24:11   make the mac pro who are now making [TS]

01:24:12   self-driving car software like go for it [TS]

01:24:15   well more power to you [TS]

01:24:17   eventually we made to be the point where [TS]

01:24:20   we're looking for apples Xbox and maybe [TS]

01:24:23   just maybe apples just make a gaming [TS]

01:24:25   console but they're really terrible [TS]

01:24:26   gaming so don't do that Oh once i bind [TS]

01:24:30   the Tendo and the show finally comes to [TS]

01:24:32   an end because the apocalypse that will [TS]

01:24:34   happen that comes to pass yeah i i'm not [TS]

01:24:41   i'm not as down on apple as you are [TS]

01:24:43   marco i continue to believe that they [TS]

01:24:44   can come out of it i think microsoft is [TS]

01:24:45   a great example that no matter how low [TS]

01:24:47   you go there's always something great [TS]

01:24:48   you and I don't hold up a sure as an [TS]

01:24:50   example of that too and a lot of the dev [TS]

01:24:52   tools stuff that Microsoft has been [TS]

01:24:53   doing they had a lot of smart people [TS]

01:24:54   that had a lot of great tech is just a [TS]

01:24:56   matter of finding a way to channel that [TS]

01:24:58   into productive in a productive way [TS]

01:25:01   while also continuing to milk the cash [TS]

01:25:03   cow that is their terrible enterprise [TS]

01:25:05   software now might my main concern here [TS]

01:25:10   is that you know as the 2016 was a [TS]

01:25:13   really bad year for Apple like from the [TS]

01:25:15   public point of view and Tim can say [TS]

01:25:17   stuff like oh we have stuff coming don't [TS]

01:25:19   worry just because you don't see it [TS]

01:25:20   doesn't I'm working on it but that [TS]

01:25:21   doesn't that doesn't mean anything and [TS]

01:25:24   it just seems like there's these areas [TS]

01:25:26   of apple product development that have [TS]

01:25:28   stalled or they're taking way too long [TS]

01:25:29   and there seems to be not only no end in [TS]

01:25:34   sight but no changes that would suggest [TS]

01:25:36   that there would be you know a change of [TS]

01:25:40   policy or change of results coming and [TS]

01:25:41   so what i want is by the end of 2017 i [TS]

01:25:47   think there's a handful of like big hot [TS]

01:25:50   spot areas that if they are still [TS]

01:25:54   lacking I want to see somebody get fired [TS]

01:25:56   I know it's not cool to talk about Apple [TS]

01:25:58   executives and s VPS and talk about them [TS]

01:26:00   personally and say who should get fired [TS]

01:26:02   but I think things are bad enough now [TS]

01:26:04   that heads have to roll if certain [TS]

01:26:06   things don't get fixed and I would say [TS]

01:26:08   maybe the list would be you know mac [TS]

01:26:10   desktops hardware you know iphone design [TS]

01:26:13   like if that new iphone does not come [TS]

01:26:16   out this fall and they have another year [TS]

01:26:18   of the iphone 6 design and you know [TS]

01:26:20   general form factor that's a problem [TS]

01:26:22   right if mac desktops do not get any [TS]

01:26:26   kind of meaningful update during this [TS]

01:26:28   year that's a big problem I would say I [TS]

01:26:31   add software like multitasking on the [TS]

01:26:33   iPad is one of these areas where like [TS]

01:26:35   that needs to be improved significantly [TS]

01:26:36   in some way i would say Siri the quality [TS]

01:26:39   of Syria reliability the intelligence of [TS]

01:26:41   Syrian to be improved and maybe I throw [TS]

01:26:44   in TV content deals as we talked about [TS]

01:26:45   earlier because those have also been [TS]

01:26:46   stalled forever and the apple TV is [TS]

01:26:48   suffering greatly so those things like [TS]

01:26:51   if all of those don't have meaningful [TS]

01:26:54   improvements by the end of 2017 then [TS]

01:26:57   that will be a very long time during [TS]

01:26:59   which these things have not improved and [TS]

01:27:01   desperately need to and somebody high up [TS]

01:27:04   needs to get fired or resign at that [TS]

01:27:06   point well you would like that to happen [TS]

01:27:08   but if the rest of the world says hey [TS]

01:27:12   record iphone sales here is a ten [TS]

01:27:14   percent bump to your stock price Apple [TS]

01:27:16   Apple is doing great from the [TS]

01:27:18   perspective of investors and and other [TS]

01:27:21   people who have you know the broader [TS]

01:27:23   world that has expectations what Apple's [TS]

01:27:24   supposed to do which is sell a lot of [TS]

01:27:25   iphones for a high price they're doing [TS]

01:27:28   that really really well so far and [TS]

01:27:29   everything we're talking about is tiny [TS]

01:27:32   little slivers of that of the giant pie [TS]

01:27:34   wedge that is the revenue of Apple well [TS]

01:27:37   no it's not because look Microsoft did [TS]

01:27:40   really well under steve ballmer it [TS]

01:27:42   financially for a long time he had like [TS]

01:27:44   record quarters record sales as the [TS]

01:27:46   product line just stagnated and crumbled [TS]

01:27:50   and the quality of the foundation the [TS]

01:27:52   company was built on crumbled and the [TS]

01:27:54   world around it moved on to this massive [TS]

01:27:57   new world of mobile and they totally [TS]

01:27:59   missed it because they were not being [TS]

01:28:00   managed properly so this is it's not it [TS]

01:28:03   the fact that they keep selling record [TS]

01:28:05   quarters is not good enough for Apple [TS]

01:28:07   but what I'm saying is like a executives [TS]

01:28:10   don't get fired when your stock price [TS]

01:28:12   goes up in general all right so I was [TS]

01:28:14   like I'm saying like whether you think [TS]

01:28:16   it's the right thing to do or what you [TS]

01:28:17   would do versus what is actually going [TS]

01:28:18   to happen right because the only thing [TS]

01:28:20   we've seen executives get can for at [TS]

01:28:22   Apple is not getting along with other [TS]

01:28:23   executives that's forestall not being [TS]

01:28:26   like a cultural fit or like flailing and [TS]

01:28:28   not being a success like whatever [TS]

01:28:29   papermaster and those people who were [TS]

01:28:30   there for very short time right what [TS]

01:28:32   would it take for a long time ur to get [TS]

01:28:35   fired I mean I think we've seen with the [TS]

01:28:37   reshuffling not firing but like I we [TS]

01:28:40   don't know what's going on with that [TS]

01:28:41   reshuffling that they've done various [TS]

01:28:42   times but surely that reshuffling [TS]

01:28:44   is elevating some people and and and [TS]

01:28:47   minimizing other people right within the [TS]

01:28:49   company enough so that they all stay [TS]

01:28:51   there but still like still still [TS]

01:28:55   affecting that right you're not going to [TS]

01:28:57   see like it's a big name executive get [TS]

01:29:01   fired when every kind of metric you can [TS]

01:29:05   put on the company is looking good [TS]

01:29:07   because that's just not how big [TS]

01:29:08   companies work now arguably like you [TS]

01:29:10   said yet they're making a big mistake [TS]

01:29:11   sure you're figuring how to make more [TS]

01:29:13   money about the iphone but what about [TS]

01:29:14   the future of all blah but they've [TS]

01:29:15   answers for all that well future we have [TS]

01:29:17   all these super products so you don't [TS]

01:29:18   know about plus the car crap and stuff [TS]

01:29:19   like that and maybe a little hit and [TS]

01:29:21   maybe they want like it's not like they [TS]

01:29:22   had their heads in the sand right but I [TS]

01:29:25   don't what I'm saying is that don't get [TS]

01:29:28   your hopes up for that to happen right [TS]

01:29:30   even if even if none of the things you [TS]

01:29:32   listed happen but they still have like [TS]

01:29:34   record iphone sales again and the ASP [TS]

01:29:37   goes up again no one's getting fired [TS]

01:29:39   like I mean if that if whoever was [TS]

01:29:42   responsible for getting a skinny model [TS]

01:29:43   TV deal hasn't been fired yet another [TS]

01:29:46   year of not getting it is not make a [TS]

01:29:48   difference to give an example is [TS]

01:29:49   relevant to things we just talked about [TS]

01:29:51   because obviously it's not important [TS]

01:29:53   enough to the future of the company and [TS]

01:29:55   in other areas like the phone like not [TS]

01:29:57   the phone the watch it's hard to tell [TS]

01:29:59   exactly how the watch is doing because [TS]

01:30:00   apples being cagey about it but I feel [TS]

01:30:02   like the watch is on a slow burn right [TS]

01:30:04   it is it's not a super duper success [TS]

01:30:06   like the iPhone was but even the iPhone [TS]

01:30:08   wasn't a super duper success in its [TS]

01:30:09   first year or two right or the ipod or [TS]

01:30:11   anything like that but apple's standing [TS]

01:30:12   behind the watch and working on it and [TS]

01:30:14   things seem like they're going in the [TS]

01:30:16   right direction with the watch it is [TS]

01:30:17   getting better people like it more it is [TS]

01:30:19   finding a place in the market yeah i [TS]

01:30:21   actually would agree with that the watch [TS]

01:30:23   there is a reason why the walk didn't [TS]

01:30:24   make my hit list because like it [TS]

01:30:26   actually it is not amazing you know it [TS]

01:30:29   on all terms it has lots of asterisks on [TS]

01:30:31   it but overall it is healthy and it does [TS]

01:30:35   seem to be on the right track and so [TS]

01:30:38   like the apple that is still willing to [TS]

01:30:39   nurture a product like that that you [TS]

01:30:42   know they're even the ipad which arguing [TS]

01:30:44   they're nurturing and and helping along [TS]

01:30:46   and you know they're trying to get it [TS]

01:30:48   you know come on come on a little [TS]

01:30:49   product like you can do it maybe they're [TS]

01:30:50   not quite doing the right things but [TS]

01:30:51   like the fact that they're standing [TS]

01:30:53   behind those and all the rumblings we [TS]

01:30:55   hear about AR and stuff like that i do [TS]

01:30:57   see [TS]

01:30:58   a lot of encouraging things of like how [TS]

01:31:01   is Apple fostering the you know the [TS]

01:31:04   development of what could be eventually [TS]

01:31:06   big important businesses and how patient [TS]

01:31:08   they're being with it most of our [TS]

01:31:10   frustration is with pre-existing [TS]

01:31:12   businesses that seemed like they are [TS]

01:31:14   neglected right and because we like [TS]

01:31:16   those products but like I don't know [TS]

01:31:20   enough about the executives to say [TS]

01:31:21   someone should be fired I think if I had [TS]

01:31:23   to restructure /re staff a bunch of [TS]

01:31:27   things you know it out my pics is all [TS]

01:31:29   server side stuff like that's that part [TS]

01:31:33   of the company is obviously in the most [TS]

01:31:34   need and I don't know who's in charge of [TS]

01:31:36   that who needs to be in charge of it but [TS]

01:31:37   like Apple should have bought Google [TS]

01:31:39   long ago and given all the [TS]

01:31:40   responsibility to all their server side [TS]

01:31:42   stuff google because they know what the [TS]

01:31:43   hell they're doing Apple does not yet [TS]

01:31:45   they're getting better but not fast [TS]

01:31:46   enough what's any better faster Apple [TS]

01:31:49   service or desktop linux applet services [TS]

01:31:53   because that's not much going nowhere [TS]

01:31:54   but yeah but but i can't i can't pin [TS]

01:31:59   that to a particular group or executive [TS]

01:32:01   and i think there has been restructuring [TS]

01:32:03   the seeing Apple like presented like [TS]

01:32:04   mezzos conferences and stuff is showing [TS]

01:32:06   that that is actually going in the right [TS]

01:32:08   direction they're just so far behind [TS]

01:32:09   that it's pretty difficult to catch up [TS]

01:32:10   but for all the other things like even [TS]

01:32:12   the Mac things i don't i don't feel like [TS]

01:32:14   the people who are involved in mac [TS]

01:32:16   hardware like I i don't i don't know i [TS]

01:32:19   don't know where the blame lies but it [TS]

01:32:21   seems like priorities that would set be [TS]

01:32:23   set above the level of people working on [TS]

01:32:24   the mac stuff right like I bet everyone [TS]

01:32:27   who's working on the Mac loves the Mac [TS]

01:32:28   it wants it to be awesome and I bet a [TS]

01:32:30   lot of people who are involved in the [TS]

01:32:32   mac love the mac and want it to be [TS]

01:32:33   awesome but it's clear that the the pace [TS]

01:32:37   of product releases and innovation and [TS]

01:32:39   choices about the particular mixes of [TS]

01:32:41   the products are not satisfying a [TS]

01:32:42   certain class of mac users and we find [TS]

01:32:44   that unsatisfying and even for the [TS]

01:32:46   people that is satisfying I feel like [TS]

01:32:48   the releases are slower which you know [TS]

01:32:50   is not you know it's not good from [TS]

01:32:51   anybody's perspective that like we want [TS]

01:32:53   to see new better things faster but I [TS]

01:32:56   wouldn't fire anyone involved in the mac [TS]

01:32:58   organization right I feel like that's a [TS]

01:33:00   priority set at a higher level and I [TS]

01:33:02   wouldn't fire Tim Cook because of all [TS]

01:33:04   the good things that we just listed the [TS]

01:33:05   phone and the watch and trying to figure [TS]

01:33:08   out how to make the ipad better [TS]

01:33:09   yeah I'm I have to have hopes for this [TS]

01:33:15   year and I found last year disappointing [TS]

01:33:17   but I think I think I'm more optimistic [TS]

01:33:20   than you are that these are all [TS]

01:33:22   eminently fixable problems and I am [TS]

01:33:24   encouraged by by efforts like the watch [TS]

01:33:27   yeah and furthermore uh I don't entirely [TS]

01:33:30   get what firing somebody really [TS]

01:33:32   accomplishes other than making you feel [TS]

01:33:35   better that that somebody's paying for [TS]

01:33:37   what you don't like and it certainly [TS]

01:33:41   would presumably change course of Apple [TS]

01:33:45   at least slightly if that executive was [TS]

01:33:47   high enough but I mean we we don't know [TS]

01:33:50   what's going on behind the curtain we [TS]

01:33:52   don't know if they're playing a long [TS]

01:33:53   game that that that will revolutionize [TS]

01:33:56   the mac or revolutionize something else [TS]

01:33:59   or just create a whole new thing that we [TS]

01:34:02   can't even fathom we don't know what the [TS]

01:34:04   long what what they're doing behind [TS]

01:34:05   closed doors and I just feel like seeing [TS]

01:34:08   a head roll or demanding ahead roll I [TS]

01:34:10   don't know that that's necessarily going [TS]

01:34:12   to really change anything I mean you [TS]

01:34:14   just because one or even a couple people [TS]

01:34:16   leave or told to leave you don't move a [TS]

01:34:20   ship that big without moving the rudder [TS]

01:34:22   a lot and one person can only move the [TS]

01:34:25   rudder but so much unless they're like [TS]

01:34:27   Steve Jobs or Tim Cook I think the [TS]

01:34:30   reason why I want to see something [TS]

01:34:32   change if all these things still [TS]

01:34:33   continue to fail at the end of this year [TS]

01:34:35   is that no if no heads roll if no one [TS]

01:34:38   changes jobs if nothing really suggests [TS]

01:34:41   that anything went wrong then that is [TS]

01:34:44   Apple tacit least telling the world and [TS]

01:34:47   possibly themselves internally this is [TS]

01:34:50   fine this is how we want things to go [TS]

01:34:52   it's one thing if the reason why all [TS]

01:34:55   these things are in neglect right now is [TS]

01:34:57   because lots of things have gone wrong [TS]

01:34:59   or somebody really messed up or somebody [TS]

01:35:02   made a terrible decision or took a bad [TS]

01:35:03   risk or something like that it's another [TS]

01:35:06   thing if these things are all this way [TS]

01:35:09   in this state of neglect because that's [TS]

01:35:13   considered okay so if something if [TS]

01:35:17   there's somebody who like whose job [TS]

01:35:19   changes for instance the role of the App [TS]

01:35:22   Store [TS]

01:35:23   recently got taken out of its previous [TS]

01:35:25   organization and moved under phil [TS]

01:35:26   schiller and in the like eight years or [TS]

01:35:30   whatever it was it was under the [TS]

01:35:31   previous organization nothing happened [TS]

01:35:33   it was just stagnant had lots of [TS]

01:35:35   problems and it's been at a schiller for [TS]

01:35:37   about a year now and lots of improvement [TS]

01:35:39   have happened already and there's you [TS]

01:35:41   know they're there at a great pace so [TS]

01:35:42   obviously that was an area where [TS]

01:35:44   something was really not working right [TS]

01:35:47   it was had a lot of problems it got [TS]

01:35:49   moved to a different executive so [TS]

01:35:51   effectively the old executive was like [TS]

01:35:52   you know presumably like removed from it [TS]

01:35:54   in some kind of action you know or some [TS]

01:35:56   kind of decision and then under the new [TS]

01:35:59   decorative things change because [TS]

01:36:01   something wasn't going right so that was [TS]

01:36:03   a recognition internally to the company [TS]

01:36:05   that this this is not working this is [TS]

01:36:08   not good enough we're going to change it [TS]

01:36:10   so it can be good enough and so if [TS]

01:36:12   nothing changes in this list of things [TS]

01:36:16   that you know mac desktops iphone is if [TS]

01:36:18   nothing changes and we end these things [TS]

01:36:22   are still being neglected almost a year [TS]

01:36:24   from now after being a hood for the last [TS]

01:36:27   few years then that to me is a sign that [TS]

01:36:31   Tim Cook and everyone beneath him [TS]

01:36:33   believes that is good enough so that [TS]

01:36:36   ultimately rests on Tim whether the [TS]

01:36:38   problem is Tim himself or somebody below [TS]

01:36:41   him that is on Tim to manage to [TS]

01:36:45   supervise and to fix if there are [TS]

01:36:46   problems you know when when there are [TS]

01:36:49   problems between forestall and I've and [TS]

01:36:51   whoever whatever the drama was there Tim [TS]

01:36:54   saw there was a problem here and he [TS]

01:36:57   fixed it and whether you like his [TS]

01:36:58   solution or not he took an action [TS]

01:37:00   because things were not good enough he [TS]

01:37:02   fixed it if nothing changes in these [TS]

01:37:06   areas and they're still being horribly [TS]

01:37:08   neglected in another year from now then [TS]

01:37:11   that is Tim Cook implicitly saying this [TS]

01:37:14   is good enough yeah but that's a stretch [TS]

01:37:16   fruity choice no fee if he chooses to [TS]

01:37:18   de-emphasize the mac or cancel the mac [TS]

01:37:20   entirely that's a strategic choice for [TS]

01:37:21   the company will make all of us sad but [TS]

01:37:23   like it's not it's not saying like we [TS]

01:37:25   think this is good enough it's saying [TS]

01:37:26   yeah we're de prioritizing that and [TS]

01:37:28   shifting our efforts elsewhere because [TS]

01:37:30   we don't think that's an important [TS]

01:37:32   important to the future growth of the [TS]

01:37:33   company right which we hate and we we [TS]

01:37:35   don't like but like it's not as [TS]

01:37:37   the same as saying we're trying to put [TS]

01:37:40   everything we handed behind the Mac like [TS]

01:37:41   it's the difference in attention like we [TS]

01:37:43   are trying to make the mac the best that [TS]

01:37:46   could possibly be and this is our best [TS]

01:37:47   effort I'm not even asking for that I'm [TS]

01:37:49   asking for basic maintenance yeah well [TS]

01:37:52   again because if they're if they were [TS]

01:37:53   trying to say we are trying to maintain [TS]

01:37:55   in the mac in the fashion that has it [TS]

01:37:57   has been maintained in the past and they [TS]

01:37:59   think this is satisfactory you right [TS]

01:38:01   there that they're wrong on that but if [TS]

01:38:02   instead they're saying this is exactly [TS]

01:38:04   the amount of support for the mac that [TS]

01:38:06   we want this is exactly how we wanted to [TS]

01:38:07   go the exactly the products we want out [TS]

01:38:09   of them we're very happy with the [TS]

01:38:10   results this is our strategic direction [TS]

01:38:12   we're all sad and mad about it but from [TS]

01:38:14   a company you know from the perspective [TS]

01:38:17   of his Tim Cook making the right [TS]

01:38:18   decision for the company it's arguable [TS]

01:38:20   that he is because the mac is clearly [TS]

01:38:21   not the future of Apple right it's just [TS]

01:38:23   this thing that we all I can use right [TS]

01:38:24   and if it means that more time and [TS]

01:38:27   energy and money is available for [TS]

01:38:28   whatever you know the actual future [TS]

01:38:32   Apple is going to be but it's going to [TS]

01:38:33   be the watch or AR or self-driving cars [TS]

01:38:35   off or who knows what that is probably [TS]

01:38:37   the correct strategic direction for the [TS]

01:38:39   company despite how angry it makes us i [TS]

01:38:41   think is entirely a question of what [TS]

01:38:44   their intent is because it's like [TS]

01:38:46   judging whether its success or a failure [TS]

01:38:47   we see what the results are and if that [TS]

01:38:51   is the intended results and they're [TS]

01:38:52   getting exactly what they want and then [TS]

01:38:54   our quibble is just for the strategic [TS]

01:38:55   direction whereas if the intended result [TS]

01:38:56   is very different than what we're [TS]

01:38:58   actually getting then that's the company [TS]

01:39:00   failing to you know xq successfully on [TS]

01:39:03   its own plan right and because apple [TS]

01:39:05   doesn't really tell you what its own [TS]

01:39:06   plans are in terms of how it emphasizes [TS]

01:39:08   product lines and stuff other than sort [TS]

01:39:10   of the PR problem that we get about you [TS]

01:39:13   know we love the mac blah blah blah [TS]

01:39:14   which really says nothing it's very [TS]

01:39:17   difficult to judge whether they are [TS]

01:39:18   failing or successfully executing [TS]

01:39:20   strategy we don't like yeah I couldn't [TS]

01:39:22   agree more in in I concur that I am [TS]

01:39:25   disappointed with the way the Mac has [TS]

01:39:27   been treated and I would like to see it [TS]

01:39:31   be different but just because my engine [TS]

01:39:34   isn't revved by a touch bar doesn't mean [TS]

01:39:37   the touch bar is wrong it doesn't mean [TS]

01:39:39   that it was a failure doesn't mean Apple [TS]

01:39:41   isn't innovating it doesn't mean it's [TS]

01:39:43   not a magical awesome improvement all it [TS]

01:39:46   means is it's not right for me and for [TS]

01:39:50   me [TS]

01:39:50   to it to hypothetically say oh that [TS]

01:39:52   Apple's doing everything wrong or that [TS]

01:39:54   the head of mac hardware should be fired [TS]

01:39:56   strictly because of the touch bar which [TS]

01:39:58   is not what you're saying markets not [TS]

01:39:59   all I'm saying nope no I'm not I know [TS]

01:40:02   it's not but I I think you know what I'm [TS]

01:40:04   trying just rephrase and say that I [TS]

01:40:07   think you're conflating a disappointment [TS]

01:40:11   with direction this is what John is just [TS]

01:40:12   alluding to a difference in direction [TS]

01:40:14   our disappointment in direction with a [TS]

01:40:16   failure and that is not necessarily the [TS]

01:40:19   case just like John said I agree that I [TS]

01:40:21   I don't like the way things are going [TS]

01:40:23   but I think it's too strong to say that [TS]

01:40:25   it's a failure at this point it's just [TS]

01:40:28   it seems a little bit aggressive to me [TS]

01:40:30   know and I didn't say these things are [TS]

01:40:32   all failures at this point I said that [TS]

01:40:34   these are you know these are like you [TS]

01:40:35   know checks the 2016 wrote for 2017 to [TS]

01:40:38   cash and if 2017 goes through and these [TS]

01:40:42   things are all still a problem something [TS]

01:40:44   needs to change big time because it [TS]

01:40:46   isn't you know I'm not saying that a [TS]

01:40:49   company that's trying to maximize its [TS]

01:40:51   revenue and make itself a solid growth [TS]

01:40:53   potential in the future shouldn't change [TS]

01:40:54   strategy what I am saying is that Apple [TS]

01:40:57   does not ship strat apples entire brand [TS]

01:41:02   and the reputation they built up over [TS]

01:41:04   years and years and years is that they [TS]

01:41:06   don't ship shit that Apple products are [TS]

01:41:09   good they are great and for them to keep [TS]

01:41:12   saying that and to have major areas of [TS]

01:41:15   the product line that are really [TS]

01:41:18   embarrassing or really like customer [TS]

01:41:21   hostile even for years on end that they [TS]

01:41:25   keep selling just to scrape a little bit [TS]

01:41:27   more profit off the pavement before they [TS]

01:41:28   just total to kill them that is not what [TS]

01:41:31   Apple should be doing that it like for [TS]

01:41:35   Apple like for corporation X sure let [TS]

01:41:38   let Steve Ballmer run it then why isn't [TS]

01:41:40   steve ballmer running if that's what [TS]

01:41:41   they want to do that's the goal let him [TS]

01:41:42   do it he's great at that but that's not [TS]

01:41:44   Apple that's not good enough for Apple [TS]

01:41:46   it never has been and it shouldn't be [TS]

01:41:47   now yeah I mean in the grand scheme of [TS]

01:41:51   things even though I'm actively arguing [TS]

01:41:53   with you right now I do largely agree [TS]

01:41:55   with you I think that you're right the [TS]

01:41:57   2016 wrote a lot of checks that I've yet [TS]

01:41:59   to see 2017 cash I just [TS]

01:42:03   what concerns me is I i wonder if you're [TS]

01:42:06   putting apple on a pedestal and if they [TS]

01:42:08   don't release the most perfect mac pro [TS]

01:42:10   ever that that you're gonna still be [TS]

01:42:12   fiery about it if they don't you know [TS]

01:42:15   version bump the map book macbook [TS]

01:42:16   adorable you're gonna be fiery about it [TS]

01:42:18   truth be told i will be too but don't [TS]

01:42:19   tell Marco uh the macbook adorable is [TS]

01:42:21   only one year old that's fine by but by [TS]

01:42:23   my standards that's that would totally [TS]

01:42:24   fine yeah and I mean also remember we're [TS]

01:42:28   only one calendar quarter into the year [TS]

01:42:31   yet I mean there's still plenty of time [TS]

01:42:32   left now in your defense Marco typically [TS]

01:42:35   there is a March event of some sort and [TS]

01:42:37   we are already halfway through march and [TS]

01:42:39   there's been not even a peep of a [TS]

01:42:41   confirmation about it which means [TS]

01:42:43   they'll surely confirm it tomorrow [TS]

01:42:44   before we release the episode but [TS]

01:42:46   nevertheless um you know we haven't [TS]

01:42:48   heard a march event yet and that's [TS]

01:42:49   slightly alarming but it's only March we [TS]

01:42:52   don't know what's in store for the rest [TS]

01:42:53   of the year and who knows RR Sox could [TS]

01:42:56   be blown off at WWDC and typically there [TS]

01:42:59   at least my socks are at least blown a [TS]

01:43:03   little bit forward if not entirely off [TS]

01:43:04   my personality to death and so you never [TS]

01:43:07   know what will happen but IIIi don't I [TS]

01:43:10   wouldn't I think we shouldn't get too [TS]

01:43:13   fiery yet if after WWDC and we've seen [TS]

01:43:17   the software updates and we still [TS]

01:43:19   haven't seen much in the way of hardware [TS]

01:43:21   updates okay maybe we should start [TS]

01:43:22   getting fiery but at this point I'm not [TS]

01:43:24   too concerned yet on the topic of [TS]

01:43:26   figuring out like fig tree and to figure [TS]

01:43:28   out intent like basically as is it a is [TS]

01:43:30   it a successful execution of a strategy [TS]

01:43:33   we disagree with her a failed execution [TS]

01:43:34   of a strategy that we would support that [TS]

01:43:36   type of thing the Mac Pro is actually a [TS]

01:43:38   good example because on the the idea of [TS]

01:43:42   Apple not shipping things they would be [TS]

01:43:44   proud of right the mac pro i think is [TS]

01:43:47   the best example of it's not that it was [TS]

01:43:48   it was a bad product when it was [TS]

01:43:50   introduced it's actually really cool and [TS]

01:43:51   interesting it's that if you keep [TS]

01:43:53   shipping it for three years it becomes [TS]

01:43:55   an embarrassment right and it is the [TS]

01:43:57   type of embarrassment it like look there [TS]

01:43:59   is no strategy that makes sense with the [TS]

01:44:02   image that Apple previously had unless [TS]

01:44:04   the new idea is we don't want Apple to [TS]

01:44:06   have that reputation which doesn't make [TS]

01:44:07   any sense because everything else Apple [TS]

01:44:08   does and everything they say and [TS]

01:44:09   everything they've always done is like [TS]

01:44:10   yes we want to be the company has the [TS]

01:44:11   reputation your shipping good stuff the [TS]

01:44:13   Mac Pro is [TS]

01:44:15   um it's you they shouldn't still be [TS]

01:44:17   selling it and I understand why there [TS]

01:44:19   why if you were if you were to get [TS]

01:44:20   someone up on stage and talk to them in [TS]

01:44:22   a WTC you know talk show type interview [TS]

01:44:24   and say why you still ship in the mac [TS]

01:44:25   pro i guarantee you what they will said [TS]

01:44:27   and it's probably true is you know we [TS]

01:44:29   didn't want we you know some vague [TS]

01:44:32   answer about how they had it they didn't [TS]

01:44:33   plan for this like there was a strategy [TS]

01:44:35   to do to do something better and it [TS]

01:44:37   didn't work out so i would say there [TS]

01:44:38   were they would did they would vaguely [TS]

01:44:39   admit to some kind of failure there and [TS]

01:44:41   they would say but then why are you even [TS]

01:44:42   still selling it they would say well [TS]

01:44:43   because we have customers who need a [TS]

01:44:46   computer like this and actually believe [TS]

01:44:48   it or not in case you could probably [TS]

01:44:49   believe it not selling this now piece of [TS]

01:44:52   crap overpriced computer will actually [TS]

01:44:54   be worse for those customers than [TS]

01:44:56   continuing to sell it and then the only [TS]

01:44:58   recourse you have that it's like okay [TS]

01:44:59   but the Estall to sell it for like eight [TS]

01:45:00   grand and they'd be like well people buy [TS]

01:45:03   it and that you know whatever Apple has [TS]

01:45:05   never been ashamed of selling people [TS]

01:45:06   thanks for way too much money but that's [TS]

01:45:08   the situation they're in so i feel like [TS]

01:45:10   the mac pro figure out is this a [TS]

01:45:12   strategy we don't agree with the [TS]

01:45:13   resistive failure there has to be a [TS]

01:45:15   failure in there whether they're not [TS]

01:45:16   going to come and tell you exactly what [TS]

01:45:17   the failures are you know what I mean [TS]

01:45:18   like I'm gonna say oh here's what went [TS]

01:45:20   wrong or whatever but that seems very [TS]

01:45:22   clear to me there is no conscious [TS]

01:45:24   strategy that offices you know what [TS]

01:45:25   we're going to make pro hardware and [TS]

01:45:27   there were not going to update over [TS]

01:45:27   three or four years there I do not [TS]

01:45:30   believe that was ever Apple strategy [TS]

01:45:32   that is evidence of a failure how big a [TS]

01:45:35   failure is that in the grand scheme of [TS]

01:45:36   things I don't know or whatever but that [TS]

01:45:39   is the only thing that it seems clear [TS]

01:45:40   from the outside everything else you can [TS]

01:45:41   say is it a failure to like ship make [TS]

01:45:45   all your laptops thinner lighter is that [TS]

01:45:46   a strategy or is it a failure to have [TS]

01:45:49   computers that aren't really that much [TS]

01:45:51   better than the ones they replace but [TS]

01:45:52   are more expensive or is that part of a [TS]

01:45:54   strategy like almost everything else I [TS]

01:45:56   look at aiesec witnesses that seems a [TS]

01:45:57   lot like a strategy maybe a strategy I [TS]

01:45:59   don't agree with personally from my [TS]

01:46:01   taste in product so whatever but it [TS]

01:46:02   seems like a strategy but the mac pro [TS]

01:46:04   does not seem like a strategy it seems [TS]

01:46:06   like a failure counter-argument the mac [TS]

01:46:09   mini uh neck midi totally fine they [TS]

01:46:11   could update it it's really easily [TS]

01:46:12   updated its uses chief component part [TS]

01:46:15   that stuff that's a strategy well and so [TS]

01:46:17   their strategy was let's put this thing [TS]

01:46:19   out there but because it doesn't sound [TS]

01:46:20   very high volumes let's never update it [TS]

01:46:23   basically why couldn't that have been [TS]

01:46:24   the same strategy for the mac pro no [TS]

01:46:26   because the mac pro the whole point of [TS]

01:46:27   the mac pro it is [TS]

01:46:28   is the biggest fastest computer for the [TS]

01:46:30   most demanding workloads and the rest of [TS]

01:46:32   apples product line like the 5k imac has [TS]

01:46:34   passed it by like its role in the [TS]

01:46:36   product line is to be the biggest [TS]

01:46:38   fastest and most expensive the role the [TS]

01:46:39   Mac Mini is to be the cheapest and [TS]

01:46:41   crappy a success like you know if you [TS]

01:46:44   never updated it exactly feels its role [TS]

01:46:46   the cheapest and crappiest you're just [TS]

01:46:48   like oh this is a product apple doesn't [TS]

01:46:49   care about and doesn't really care about [TS]

01:46:50   updating that I feel like mac mini looks [TS]

01:46:52   totally like strategy to me but there is [TS]

01:46:54   no world in which a strategy of like [TS]

01:46:56   we're going to make the biggest fastest [TS]

01:46:57   computer that never make it any faster [TS]

01:46:59   in the whole rest of our product line [TS]

01:47:00   including eventually our watches are [TS]

01:47:02   going to be faster than this friggin [TS]

01:47:03   trash can that's that's not a strategy [TS]

01:47:05   because of the slot that the product [TS]

01:47:07   goes in so it's got to be a failure mmm [TS]

01:47:10   III don't I don't think we have enough [TS]

01:47:14   Tim Cook Apple history to know that I i [TS]

01:47:16   think there's very plausibly I think it [TS]

01:47:20   was probably a failure of some kind but [TS]

01:47:22   I think it's very plausibly also just a [TS]

01:47:25   strategy of how today's Apple deals with [TS]

01:47:28   low volume products we need to like [TS]

01:47:31   write all these things down so that we [TS]

01:47:33   can wait like in 20 years for like the [TS]

01:47:34   tell-all book like we need to track down [TS]

01:47:36   these long retired millionaire Apple [TS]

01:47:38   executives like what tell happen with [TS]

01:47:40   the mac pro like tell us cuz from the [TS]

01:47:42   outside we can't tell what you know it [TS]

01:47:44   was it just like an Intel thing that you [TS]

01:47:46   didn't get or the sales volume or there [TS]

01:47:48   was some like I don't know what what was [TS]

01:47:50   the what happened like her did you have [TS]

01:47:51   a design then they were fatal flaws with [TS]

01:47:53   this little triangle design and you're [TS]

01:47:54   just eating the cost on the GPU [TS]

01:47:55   replacements and the new one you had [TS]

01:47:57   planned didn't work like what what [TS]

01:47:59   happened whereas the mac mini I feel [TS]

01:48:01   like you interviewed me like an old kiss [TS]

01:48:02   but like computer its low-end and [TS]

01:48:05   compile splashed on the mac for any way [TS]

01:48:06   home Oh is there any show that we can't [TS]

01:48:11   eventually get to the mac pro bono case [TS]

01:48:12   he loves it that's the best it makes me [TS]

01:48:15   so happy thanks to our three sponsors [TS]

01:48:18   this week ero betterment and square [TS]

01:48:20   space and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:48:25   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:48:28   mean to begin cuz it was accidental oh [TS]

01:48:32   it was accidental John did any research [TS]

01:48:37   Marco and Casey wouldn't let him [TS]

01:48:40   cuz it was accidentally it was [TS]

01:48:44   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:48:48   notes today TP FM and if you're into [TS]

01:48:53   twitter you can follow them at cas eyl [TS]

01:48:59   ISS so that's Casey list and a osseo a [TS]

01:49:03   RM can t marco arment SI r kc us a [TS]

01:49:11   syracuse [TS]

01:49:18   can we can we please talk about [TS]

01:49:26   something that'll make us happier please [TS]

01:49:28   like the switch maybe hopefully possibly [TS]

01:49:31   John how do you like you switch uh it's [TS]

01:49:34   hard to say how I like my switch because [TS]

01:49:36   come on supposed to be your happy plan [TS]

01:49:40   uh because as far as like I feel kind of [TS]

01:49:43   bad as a lot of people who I know who [TS]

01:49:44   are using the switch or I'll talking [TS]

01:49:46   about it they're talking about the [TS]

01:49:47   hardware and it's like this is just a [TS]

01:49:50   Zelda delivery device for me at this [TS]

01:49:51   point kind of like it you know my [TS]

01:49:54   playstation 4 became my destiny delivery [TS]

01:49:56   device uh and in that capacity I wish as [TS]

01:50:01   always that the hardware was faster [TS]

01:50:02   because then I wouldn't have slowdowns [TS]

01:50:06   in forested areas and it's like I still [TS]

01:50:09   find myself thinking can you imagine how [TS]

01:50:11   how you know how even better this game [TS]

01:50:15   would be on the ps4 but in general I [TS]

01:50:18   don't spend much time dwelling it up [TS]

01:50:19   because I'm really really loving Zelda I [TS]

01:50:21   think it's a great game I enjoy it I [TS]

01:50:23   think about it when I'm not playing I [TS]

01:50:24   can't wait to play it every time I'm [TS]

01:50:26   away from the game and it's like [TS]

01:50:28   watching a movie I really don't think [TS]

01:50:29   about the quality of my blu-ray player [TS]

01:50:31   on and watch a good movie i think about [TS]

01:50:32   the movie so when i'm playing so i'm [TS]

01:50:34   thinking about zelda and it's awesome [TS]

01:50:35   and it's great and mice which has [TS]

01:50:37   literally never been held in my hands to [TS]

01:50:40   play a game and has not left the dock [TS]

01:50:42   since i got zelda so i'm using mice [TS]

01:50:45   which it is I'm pretending that Nintendo [TS]

01:50:48   is still releasing TV connected consoles [TS]

01:50:50   and not this hybrid portable thing and [TS]

01:50:52   I'm perfectly happy with that eventually [TS]

01:50:55   I probably will take it out and try [TS]

01:50:56   playing a handheld and see what that's [TS]

01:50:57   like but for now it is me a pro [TS]

01:51:00   controller and Zelda and I'm loving it [TS]

01:51:03   no spoilers please you know it's funny [TS]

01:51:05   so I played with two different peoples [TS]

01:51:09   which is my sister-in-law got one and [TS]

01:51:11   she came over the evening of of launch [TS]

01:51:14   day and in the following day I went to [TS]

01:51:16   my friend Steve's house and and played [TS]

01:51:19   with his for a little bit and in I guess [TS]

01:51:22   in a kind of opposite way in that I [TS]

01:51:25   don't think I really want a canister to [TS]

01:51:30   speak to because I don't really see how [TS]

01:51:32   it will [TS]

01:51:32   help my life I want to switch so badly [TS]

01:51:35   even though I know I'll play it for like [TS]

01:51:37   a week and then never look back because [TS]

01:51:38   I just think this thing is so darn cool [TS]

01:51:42   and I've been super impressed by it we [TS]

01:51:45   actually hooked it up to my TV because [TS]

01:51:46   my sister my sister in laws that is [TS]

01:51:49   because she hadn't hooked it up to hers [TS]

01:51:50   yet and I thought that was super awesome [TS]

01:51:52   I played a few minutes of Zelda I [TS]

01:51:54   thought that was really cool I didn't [TS]

01:51:56   play it enough to like really get into [TS]

01:51:57   it but my initial impressions were great [TS]

01:52:00   the hard way or with the with the [TS]

01:52:02   weirdly named joy cons like I find that [TS]

01:52:05   name to be a little bit peculiar but the [TS]

01:52:07   click that it makes when you plug it [TS]

01:52:10   when you slide one of them in and [TS]

01:52:12   removing it is so cool and the kickstand [TS]

01:52:14   is little chintzy or whatever but it [TS]

01:52:15   still gets the job done for the most [TS]

01:52:16   part like everything about this hardware [TS]

01:52:19   is so cool and I really want one for no [TS]

01:52:24   reason at all because I'm just not [TS]

01:52:26   really a videogame kind of guy but man [TS]

01:52:30   this thing is neat and I'm super [TS]

01:52:32   impressed by it and it's the first time [TS]

01:52:33   I've lusted after a video game system [TS]

01:52:37   since the original Wii which I did play [TS]

01:52:39   a lot of for about a year and then I [TS]

01:52:41   just never look back but I've been super [TS]

01:52:44   super anxious to get my hands on one [TS]

01:52:46   even though well I mean I could get my [TS]

01:52:48   hands on when I'm sure but I I know [TS]

01:52:50   myself enough to know that I'm just I'm [TS]

01:52:53   I'm in lust I'm not in love but we'll [TS]

01:52:55   see what happens over time Marco you you [TS]

01:52:57   guys are I guess really TIFF got one [TS]

01:52:59   right so what have you thought oh we [TS]

01:53:01   haven't we haven't really played it much [TS]

01:53:03   I so I I just came back from a trip I [TS]

01:53:06   left that trip short left less or left [TS]

01:53:08   for that trip shortly after last week's [TS]

01:53:09   show the night before the trip i tried [TS]

01:53:11   to buy and download zelda and the the [TS]

01:53:16   credit card thing on in tennis website [TS]

01:53:18   just kept failing and timing out and [TS]

01:53:19   everything like their whole website just [TS]

01:53:21   sucked that night it just like [TS]

01:53:23   everything kept failing and so I wasn't [TS]

01:53:25   able to buy it in time for the trip and [TS]

01:53:27   so I didn't bring it because I'm like [TS]

01:53:29   you know I have like you know I have [TS]

01:53:30   bomb Iran and that racing game neither [TS]

01:53:33   which i've actually played yet I just [TS]

01:53:34   because like you know buying installing [TS]

01:53:36   this so if it all takes time and then I [TS]

01:53:37   have to do something else and I left for [TS]

01:53:39   a trip and I'm not going to bring this [TS]

01:53:40   entire console taking up space in my bag [TS]

01:53:42   and one more thing to charge and [TS]

01:53:44   everything [TS]

01:53:45   just for these two kind of like you know [TS]

01:53:46   second to your games I you know if I [TS]

01:53:49   could get Zelda before the show sure [TS]

01:53:51   I'll bring it but I couldn't so that's [TS]

01:53:53   so I didn't bring it and now we're back [TS]

01:53:55   and I'm dealing with all the work I [TS]

01:53:56   missed so I still haven't actually [TS]

01:53:57   played it yet and I'd love to play it on [TS]

01:54:00   my TV but I can't get a pro controller [TS]

01:54:02   anywhere so that kind of breaks that as [TS]

01:54:05   well I don't really want to use the [TS]

01:54:06   weird little like it so you can stop [TS]

01:54:08   playing I was inside you can play it on [TS]

01:54:09   your TV without a pro control you just [TS]

01:54:10   got to use the joy con so that a lot of [TS]

01:54:12   people have asked me if I have like the [TS]

01:54:13   left joy con disconnecting thing I don't [TS]

01:54:15   know I don't use those things here's the [TS]

01:54:16   brake controller and it works fine rice [TS]

01:54:19   athlete so like it's not disconnect yeah [TS]

01:54:21   so so I need to get myself a pro [TS]

01:54:23   controller to really enjoy this thing [TS]

01:54:26   because what I really want is to just [TS]

01:54:27   it's most of the time to play these [TS]

01:54:28   games on my TV so once I get that then [TS]

01:54:31   let me know but I'm also i suspect that [TS]

01:54:35   these initial games i got are probably [TS]

01:54:37   not going to be a lot of my time i'm not [TS]

01:54:39   really into Zelda TIFF would probably [TS]

01:54:40   play it but I probably won't I'm more [TS]

01:54:43   into like the racing and stuff game so [TS]

01:54:45   when Mario Kart comes out I'm very much [TS]

01:54:46   into that but I that's not out yet and [TS]

01:54:49   like when the new sonic thing comes out [TS]

01:54:52   I'll be very much into that probably but [TS]

01:54:53   that also isn't out yet Mario games when [TS]

01:54:56   those come out but they also aren't any [TS]

01:54:59   kind of virtual console stuff to maybe [TS]

01:55:02   play some of the games that I've missed [TS]

01:55:03   since like the Super Nintendo era or the [TS]

01:55:05   n64 era like to play some of that [TS]

01:55:07   someone like the mario games have come [TS]

01:55:09   out in the middle if that becomes [TS]

01:55:10   available and possible to do I'd love to [TS]

01:55:12   do that but I can't yet because they [TS]

01:55:14   don't exist so eventually I expect to [TS]

01:55:17   really enjoy this thing but right now [TS]

01:55:18   I've barely used it because everything [TS]

01:55:20   I've tried to do either failed or took [TS]

01:55:21   too long and then I had to go on trip I [TS]

01:55:23   feel like they are like three obvious [TS]

01:55:25   possibilities with this Zelda the Zelda [TS]

01:55:27   in particular one is your super zelda [TS]

01:55:29   fan and you played all the the 3d Zelda [TS]

01:55:31   games and you love them you will also [TS]

01:55:32   love this game so that that's the easy [TS]

01:55:34   case that's why all the gaming press [TS]

01:55:35   loves of that's why I love it right to [TS]

01:55:37   is you don't know a Zelda from a hole in [TS]

01:55:39   the wall and you bought this switch [TS]

01:55:42   because you saw one thought it was neat [TS]

01:55:43   and you get Zelda because it's like that [TS]

01:55:46   you know the popular top tier game to [TS]

01:55:48   get on launch and you start playing it [TS]

01:55:51   and you just slowly gradually get lost [TS]

01:55:56   in Zelda playing your version [TS]

01:55:59   what you think the zelda game is [TS]

01:56:00   supposed to be about maybe not even [TS]

01:56:02   advancing the actual main quest [TS]

01:56:04   storyline for a very long time and spend [TS]

01:56:06   like literally a year and a half [TS]

01:56:08   consumed by this little the toybox world [TS]

01:56:12   because you have never played a sandbox [TS]

01:56:14   game before and you've never played a [TS]

01:56:15   zelda and this is all entirely new to [TS]

01:56:17   you right and the third possibility is [TS]

01:56:19   you've never played a zelda you get this [TS]

01:56:21   game you try it and you're like this [TS]

01:56:23   seems big and confusing not for me and I [TS]

01:56:24   think that's what Marco is gonna happens [TS]

01:56:26   like yeah it's neat I can see how people [TS]

01:56:28   might like it but not my type of game [TS]

01:56:30   and probably also happened to tiff [TS]

01:56:31   because it's it's very difficult i feel [TS]

01:56:33   like to play this zelda game in [TS]

01:56:36   particular in any zelda game in a casual [TS]

01:56:38   way you're either going to know what [TS]

01:56:41   you're getting into and know you like [TS]

01:56:42   this kind of game or not know what [TS]

01:56:45   you're getting into and just be [TS]

01:56:46   completely consumed because you don't [TS]

01:56:48   have the antibodies for this type of [TS]

01:56:49   thing but you are the type of person who [TS]

01:56:51   is tirely who does like this kind of [TS]

01:56:52   game and for that have a person like I [TS]

01:56:54   can imagine singing literally hundreds [TS]

01:56:56   of hours into this non multiplayer [TS]

01:56:58   single-player completely entirely [TS]

01:57:00   scripted deterministic game because [TS]

01:57:03   you'll just be like climbing trees and [TS]

01:57:05   picking apples and cooking food and and [TS]

01:57:07   exploring and occasionally advancing [TS]

01:57:10   this big overarching world story thing [TS]

01:57:12   which may eventually get too hard for [TS]

01:57:13   you to do anyway and like because if [TS]

01:57:16   you've never done that before this is [TS]

01:57:18   amazing I've done all this stuff before [TS]

01:57:19   I'm like you know amazed and excited and [TS]

01:57:23   just want to go exploring and do things [TS]

01:57:24   and like constantly getting distracted [TS]

01:57:26   from advancing the main quest by all the [TS]

01:57:28   other things that you can do whether [TS]

01:57:30   they be official side quests or entirely [TS]

01:57:32   different ones and it's just it's for [TS]

01:57:35   for an experienced sell it express it [TS]

01:57:38   impresses experienced Zelda fans but I [TS]

01:57:41   think like the best like the ideal [TS]

01:57:42   experiences for like for this to be your [TS]

01:57:44   first Zelda and for you to be the type [TS]

01:57:45   of person who loves Zelda but you don't [TS]

01:57:47   know it yet because you've never played [TS]

01:57:48   one this was your first Delvian like [TS]

01:57:50   some kid for some kid this is going to [TS]

01:57:52   be this kids for a cell to game it's [TS]

01:57:54   gonna blow their mind they're going to [TS]

01:57:55   talk about this game like we talked [TS]

01:57:56   about Mario 64 of being like oh so [TS]

01:57:59   that's what three platforming is oh I [TS]

01:58:01   see that's that's how 3d works like like [TS]

01:58:04   completely you know childhood defining [TS]

01:58:09   game type experience so I'm [TS]

01:58:12   I'm excited by this but I have dim hopes [TS]

01:58:14   that Marco will get anything out of it [TS]

01:58:15   and I'm not sure about tiff because [TS]

01:58:17   she's been hot and cold on the on the [TS]

01:58:18   other 3d Zelda game so we'll see but [TS]

01:58:21   yeah I'm as with as with so many other [TS]

01:58:24   game consoles that I by if this was the [TS]

01:58:27   only game I was ever allowed to play on [TS]

01:58:28   the switch already worth the money see [TS]

01:58:31   for me I I expect mario kart will [TS]

01:58:33   probably be that game if not one of the [TS]

01:58:35   later Mario's but yeah we'll see yeah [TS]

01:58:38   I've wondered when the mario kart comes [TS]

01:58:40   out because I'm played mario cart in a [TS]

01:58:42   long time and and my understanding is [TS]

01:58:45   it's just like a slight refresh or [TS]

01:58:47   something like that but either way what [TS]

01:58:50   it comes out if I give that a shot that [TS]

01:58:53   might give me enough ammunition to buy [TS]

01:58:55   the switch be in the reason I say that [TS]

01:58:57   it's not because i don't think i would [TS]

01:58:58   love gisele de I think I would but I [TS]

01:59:00   view that as I would play it once and [TS]

01:59:02   then be done and I don't know if it's [TS]

01:59:04   worth what 300 hours to the switch and [TS]

01:59:06   like seventy dollars six dollars for the [TS]

01:59:07   Zelda to call it four hundred dollars [TS]

01:59:09   and you play once as in one sitting or [TS]

01:59:11   you think you would finish the whole [TS]

01:59:12   game no no I'm saying over the course of [TS]

01:59:14   like a month or two maybe I would finish [TS]

01:59:15   the whole game but I don't know if I [TS]

01:59:16   want to spend four hundred dollars on [TS]

01:59:17   Zelda because it I feel like I would [TS]

01:59:20   play Zell to think wow that was really [TS]

01:59:21   great i'm glad i did that and then never [TS]

01:59:23   look at the switch again but if I see [TS]

01:59:25   like Mario Kart which I know that I've [TS]

01:59:27   loved previous Mario Kart games if I see [TS]

01:59:30   that in its yo well reviewed and I get [TS]

01:59:33   to play it on you know one of my friends [TS]

01:59:34   consoles and I like it that might change [TS]

01:59:37   things additionally I've never played [TS]

01:59:39   splatoon but I've heard nothing but [TS]

01:59:40   universal praise for it so I believe [TS]

01:59:43   that's again like a refresh our new [TS]

01:59:45   version is coming for the switch at some [TS]

01:59:46   point so maybe if I play that all think [TS]

01:59:48   oh you know maybe this is worth it but [TS]

01:59:50   sitting here now i am i'm looking for a [TS]

01:59:53   reason to spend my money on this thing i [TS]

01:59:54   just can't come up with it yet if you're [TS]

01:59:56   gonna play that many games though and [TS]

01:59:57   you l