The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► real-time follow-up as of approximately [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► 10 or so minutes ago I'm now an uncle [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► hey congratulations eh [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► do you intend to be a creepy uncle or a [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► fun uncle or some other kind of I hadn't [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► even thought about it but I mean you got [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► to think about these things he's gonna [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► try to be the cool uncle we already know [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► that the question is the question is [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► what is he going to be that is it that's [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► true 100% that is 100% accurate I I wish [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► I could deny it but that is absolutely [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► accurate so I wanted to spend a moment [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and talk about the somewhat political [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► section of our last episode and we got a [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► lot of feedback we got a lot of good [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► feedback we got a lot of bad feedback [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► but one thing that was common that I [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► think was on me that I wanted to [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► apologize to listeners for is at one [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► point in the heat of getting fired up or [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► in the midst of getting fired up I'd [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► said in so many words you know if you [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► disagree with me you're a monster [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► and name-calling is not really a [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► constructive way to have a reasoned [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► debate not to say that that debate was [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► terribly reasoned anyway but [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► name-calling does not really help the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► scenario and and you know if I'm gonna [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► if I'm going to be grumpy about other [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► people name-calling then I should be [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► grumpy about me doing it and so no no [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► snark intended I really do apologize for [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► name-calling I stand by the general [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► premise of what I said which is to say I [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► think that some of the behaviors of [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► those who who want to take away health [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► care that is a monstrous behavior but [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► that does not bind a zesty make somebody [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► a monster so I know you guys can either [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► confirm or deny everything I've just [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► said but for what it's worth I feel bad [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► about that and I wish I had handled that [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► a little bit better despite by-and-large [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► sticking by pretty much everything I [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► said but the name-calling doesn't help I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► think you undercut yourself with the [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► monstrous behaviorist thing because I'm [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► not sure that distinction is [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► particularly important but that like [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► that and we don't usually talk about [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► politics and show and I think we kind of [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► accidentally talked about it which is [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► fitting because it was not on a topic [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► list and it was not slid right into it [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► from wiki Tribune which was on the topic [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► list and end up staying in the show [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► unlike many other similar discussions [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► but one of the main problems with [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► anytime we get into [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► politics is that for the most part the [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► three of us are coming from the same [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► place like we we agree on the issues and [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► actually surprisingly difficult to talk [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► about a controversial political issue [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► amongst three people who all agree with [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► each other and it's why we get the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► complaints of like you know echo chamber [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► so and so for the good thing and the bad [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► thing about podcast is even though it's [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► just three of us talking about it and we [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► all agree in aggregate it's not an echo [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► chamber because believe me the opposing [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► opinions are presented to us right so we [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► just don't get them in real time it is [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► delayed but that's not you know we're [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► not doing a political debate show but [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► but yeah so when we're all talking about [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► and we all more or less agree we're just [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► like saying things that each one of us [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► agrees about there's not even that much [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► nuanced or a disagreement and it just [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► kind of spirals off from there and I [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► don't I don't it's difficult to it's [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► difficult to clarify our thinking on it [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► when there is essentially no opposition [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► on the podcast itself so that's that's [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► difficulty I always feel when when [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► engaging those enema and listening to [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► them always trying to look for an angle [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► that is illuminating rather than just [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► the three of us venting which [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► occasionally happens occasionally got a [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► vent and occasionally we're feeling bad [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► about things I'm surprised after the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► presidential election we didn't have a [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► similar show somehow we avoided it but [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► it came out last week [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► I have no regrets I had a feeling but [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► you know like in and out Lance says in [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► the chat saying that the people are [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► monsters is kind of productive and makes [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► the argument sound dumb and I would [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► agree with that so I am sorry for that [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► that portion of the discussion the rest [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► of it I pretty much stick by I think one [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► thing that that is really badly missing [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► in our culture is the ability to agree [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► on some like you know cause and effect [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► norms or like being able to talk about [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► cause and effect without it being [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► assumed to be or without being [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► politicized cuz like you know if we you [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► know like the health care debate it's [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► like you know would like when I was [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► saying last week about how like I want [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► people to actually think through their [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► arguments of you know like well how do [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► we think people in society should be [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► treated and how do we think you know the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► government should take care of people or [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► not take care of people I wish we could [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► talk about that in we as a society I [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► wish we could talk about that [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► at without it being so politically [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► charged in people immediately jumping [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► down each other's throats about their [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► about like their identities because what [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► we need to instead be able to talk about [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► is like you know what how do we want to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► treat people in our society who need [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► some kind of help [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► hey you know how do we want the standard [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► of that should be to be that we should [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► just let people you know fail and die [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► and starve or not and if the answer is [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► not then how do we allocate these [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► resources how do we pay for them and I [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► wish we could actually talk about that [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► but the second you you give an opinion [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► either way on that whether you say I [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► think society should help those less [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► fortunate whether you think you know we [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► should provide for people and we should [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► like not let people fail too badly or [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► starve or die or whether you think that [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► we should just let people do all those [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► things that shouldn't be a US Republican [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► versus Democrat thing but it is and so [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► it's hard to say like oh we should stay [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► away from political topics or or that [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► every view is valid when some of these [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► views people on both sides think that [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► it's not just politics that it's like [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► base the basics of their identity or of [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► human standards of decency and [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► obligations to each other and it's not [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► just political it's not like I think we [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► should you know vote for the person on [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► the red versus the person in the blue or [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► whatever else it's like I want people [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► who aren't like me to die or I want to [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► help people and those shouldn't be [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► political opinions those should be like [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► this is the one that we teach ourselves [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► and that we value because we're good [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► people and this is the other one but [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► apparently that's not what these things [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► are but nobody wants people to die [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► that's no no gonna say I'll save it ever [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► they very much do I mean so that's [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► that's it I don't want to get into it [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► again but let's I feel like I can argue [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the other side pretty decently to like [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► the old other side again I voted to like [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► the 80s when they used to make arguments [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► actually we all agree on what we want to [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► accomplish is just a difference of [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► opinion on how to best accomplish it [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► right that debate is a lot easier to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► have what you're getting at is it [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► doesn't feel like we're even unified on [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► the goal but even though the [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► consequences of these decisions may be [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► real it's not connected in a straight [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► line in terms of I want people who [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► aren't like me to die like I I don't [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► think you will get anybody to own that [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► opinion anywhere well that's true but [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the problem is that people will will [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► very strongly own opinions that precede [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► that but if you actually follow them [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► through the conclusions then that is [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► that as a penalty so suppose somebody [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► has a life-threatening illness that is [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► treatable but they can't afford the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► treatment what should happen in this [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► case should should our society find a [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► way to pay for people in these kinds of [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► conditions to get treatment or should we [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► let them die that is that is a [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► fundamental you know argument that that [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► we have seemingly about every ten years [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► and if you're on the side of we should [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► help people it seems like you'd be a [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► total monster to use Casey's word right [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► it seemed to keep me a total monster to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► argue the other side of that to say like [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► you know actually no we we should let [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► people die like no that's but but that [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► actually want them to die then want them [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► they're not wishing them ill they wish [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► that if they could snap their fingers [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► and cure them they would say yes you're [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► cured we should totally do that [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► it's just unfortunate situation and [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► there's just you know debating the best [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► way to allocate scarce resources and to [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► incentivize the right behaviors and blah [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► blah blah like it we start shift into [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► the more intellectual argument towards [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► it but when you connect it up to like [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► MAOIs like to say that people have [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► malice towards that like it's not and [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► get it ignoring the specifics of this [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► more generally the other general topic [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► on the political stuff is this happens [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the maze happens to everybody when [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► you're listening to someone talk about [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► something whether it's political or [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► technological or anything on a podcast [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► they will especially a things with two [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► sides red-blue Mac PC whatever it may be [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► you know the two-sided debate they will [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► address a thing like people who support [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► X are wrong because blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► and if people support X are on a [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► particular team and [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► you were also on that team but you don't [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► support X they'll say people is for X [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► here's what I don't like about it and [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► people will get offended to say well I [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► don't support X but on the same team as [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► the people support Xing because you're [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► yelling at that person I feel you're set [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► you're yelling at me and like it's very [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► difficult to hold on to the the thread [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► that says look if they are complaining [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► about something that you don't believe [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► they're not talking to you well you know [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► I mean like that but but when there are [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► two teams it's like what they're saying [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► anything about my team even though I [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► agree with them on this specific point [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► it's like they're attacking my team and [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► I feel attacked like are you trying to [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► say that I believe X is like well if you [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► don't believe X we're not talking to you [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► and so like is this not addressed with [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► you but when there's two teams when the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► two teams and it's on your team you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► can't help but get pulled into it and [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► again that happens that happens with [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► everybody especially with two sided [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► debates or you know actual sports teams [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► as the case may be where you can't can't [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► wrap your mind around a player on your [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► favorite sports team maybe did something [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► bad but you really do love the sports [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► team you try square that circle so when [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► someone says hey that that person had [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► smart team did a bad thing you say you'd [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► be quiet he didn't do a bad thing and [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► really in your heart of hearts you also [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► agree did a bad thing but you love the [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► sports team right so anyway that's a [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► difficulty and when I'm listening to [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► people talk about you know whether it's [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► to like or dislike a particular movie or [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► a director or a TV show or you know Mac [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► versus PC things is very easy to think [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► that they're talking about you or to you [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► ascribing to you beliefs that you don't [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► have when you have to realize it's a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► broadcast medium and no one is saying [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► you specifically they're believed these [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► things and if you don't then don't don't [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► take on the burden of thinking that [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► you're you're being reprimanded for [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► something that you don't believe the [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► good news though is that there are some [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► universal truths of the world in [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► speaking of sports there are universal [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► truths like Bill Belichick is a cheater [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► and Tom Brady really should not be [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► playing football so anyway let's talk [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► about the back of the iPhone at a monk [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► morgue excuse me out of mark Wright's in [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► to say my take on that rumor image with [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► touch ID in the back is that it's a real [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► schematic for a real prototype but it's [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► only for testing there have been more [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► leaked schematics with no touch ID on [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the back and I'm surprised that this has [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► been debated in two episodes as an [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► inevitability in my opinion this is Adam [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► there is zero chance at Apple [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► as a phone with such ID in the back it's [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► too big of a paradigm shift in form and [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► function Apple has done more work for [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► far less in the past I'd bet a lot of [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► money it's under the screen at launch it [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► really feels like a deal breaking [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► feature they would wait for so I think [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► to be clear none of us were saying that [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► was inevitability merely that this was a [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► supposedly thing and that we could all [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► conceive of Apple releasing such a thing [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► now obviously it would be not the ideal [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► and obviously you know plan a is the [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► thing under the screen but we were [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► discussing it was like what if they did [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► what if they couldn't get onto the [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► screen would they put it on the back [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► like obviously Apple doesn't want to [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► they want to do that thing on the screen [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► it's totally cool right but I you know [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► as I said when we first started talking [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► about this I believe it is a thing that [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► Apple would do because if the choice is [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► between doing that and not having a new [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► phone form factor at all they would [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► totally do that but I also totally buy [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► this you know but this is not a [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► slam-dunk this is just a random drawing [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that could be totally fake and as I said [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► we'll find out when the real phone is [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► released and we look at the millimeter [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► sizing and if I got it down to three [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► decimal points chances are that it was [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► at the very least a real leak or [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► something manufactured based on the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► knowledge of what the phone would be [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► like but yeah could be a prototype it [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► could be just a testing thing it's hard [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► to think of it being a prototype like [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► that because it would take a lot of [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► stuff to move around the touch ID to the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► back even just for testing because [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► there's a bunch of other crap there on [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► the phone but anyway for my part I'm not [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► tied to any one of these particular [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► rumors and obviously the the plan a in [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► terms of rumors and in terms of what [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► what Apple would want to do is a thing [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► in the screen and so that's what I'm [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► certainly hoping for but if it doesn't [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► arrive and the thing is on the back we [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► won't all be flipping out because I feel [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► like we will be acclimated to that idea [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► through these leaks all right let's talk [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► about dirty fabric on laptops sure let's [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► this this is this is a little bit of an [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► odd more than a little bit of an odd [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► thing so to set some context the surface [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► laptop has Alcantara is that how you [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► pronounce it I just avoid it just just [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► avoid it like we avoid all the words we [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► can't pronounce just avoid it and so it [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► has some sort of fabric e leathery [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► something rather on it and that is to my [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► understand [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► ending including where your wrists sit [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► and that seems to me to be a really poor [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► choice for any human being of any kind [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► because I remember having a poly book hi [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► Steven Hackett which is to say a white [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► polycarbonate MacBook and I had to take [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► a mr. Clean Magic Eraser to that thing [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► like once every couple weeks um or deal [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► with all of my wrist gunk and sweat and [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► whatever and oils turning that thing [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► Brown and it was gross and that's [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► plastic [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► imagine fabric and so there's a link to [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► what does this be a boy genius report or [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► something like that I don't remember BGR [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► stands but it's trans booger Oh fair [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► enough [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► so uh we have a link to something and [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► they show an example of a surface with [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► or it appears to be a surface keyboard [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► with some really gross crystals all over [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► it because clearly it's been used a lot [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► and that just strikes me as a poor [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► choice but I don't know maybe I'm [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► missing something what do you guys think [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► when we talked about the fabric on the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► surface laptops last show I was [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► concerned about the edges fraying and [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► like the difficulty of sort of mating [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► that material but it more broadly as [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► this dirty fabric issue brings up a [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► laptop is something that gets a lot of [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► contact does even though you're not [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► supposed to rest your wrist when you're [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► typing people do and you know people's [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► hands and wrists are going to be in [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► contact with this thing very very [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► frequently during use and for anything [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► like that it's a good idea to make it [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► out of a material that is durable or [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► washable or ideally both because there [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► is gunk on our hands and it is going to [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► come off and I go on to the thing that [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► we're touching and there needs to be [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► some plan for that so on the iPhone [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► screens a they're made of glass which is [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► very you know hard material easy clean [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► and B they have that coating that tries [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► to repel oil so that when you do try to [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► wipe all your gunk off it will come off [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► easily and that's a good plan for the [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► front of cell phone that you're going to [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► be touching all the time [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► similarly for the track pads on Macs I [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► think we all remember the original track [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► pads before they were glass there were [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► you know various kinds of plastic and [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► over time the track pads would get kind [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► of shiny and slippery and warned down [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► and discolored [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► on the particular parts that you that [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► you touch them moving to the glass [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► trackpad really help solve that problem [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► to keep it sort of uniformly colored and [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► textured easy to clean because it is a [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► part that you're touching all the time [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► same thing with key caps making them out [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► of hard plastic figuring out how to make [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► key caps so that the letters and numbers [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► don't come off I'm sure we have all met [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► somebody who is some strain of X person [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► which means that they secrete oils from [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► their bodies that where the letters off [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► of key caps right some people just have [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► I don't know it's if it's acidic or [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► otherwise solvent-based secretions from [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► their fingertips that will defeat almost [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► any keyboard and leave their key caps [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► perfectly smooth and featureless but [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► it's a challenge to wait people have [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► acid fingers that's awesome I don't know [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► if it's actually acid all I know is that [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► some you know if you look at some [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► people's keyboards they will have the [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► exact same keyboard as you and all the [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► letters will be gone from like the home [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► row or like the e key and the return [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► stuff and you're like look I'm using the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► same keyboard to you for the same period [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► of time there's always some difference [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► in our body chemistry that is causing [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► this tab which is fine like whatever but [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the job of making keyboard is to make it [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► easy to clean and make the little you [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► know letters resist wearing off for a [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► laptop to cover it in fabric fabric [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► falls down and almost all these [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► categories it is not easy to clean [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► because anything that gets in there goes [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► down into the weave or whatever and to [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► really watch fabric you put it in the [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► washing machine if you're lucky that [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► does a good job but you're not putting [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► your laptop in the washing machine so [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you've got a problem already [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► to wash fabric you need moisture you [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► like you need like liquid which unless [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► you're Casey that's not going anywhere [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► near your laptop yet and you know it [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► still needs to pass through it like it [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► wasn't like I'm just going to go on the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► surface and you want to make it so that [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► whatever does get on it comes off easily [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► you know and the the surface stays the [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► same if you have it in from year-to-year [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► and the fabric fabric wears down in [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► phrase and can get thin and you know rub [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► through in spots and so on and so forth [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► so it is not a great solution for [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► anything that you're going to handle [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► that much I mean even even clothes wear [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► out because they're made of cloth we put [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► on our body eventually you get two holes [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► in the knees and holes in the pockets [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► and you know they just fray and like so [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► it is definitely a material that you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► can't treat the same way you [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► retreat even even Casey's plastic Abba [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► and one of the problems with it with the [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► plastic iBooks was they were white and [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► they had some discoloration issues that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► may not have been noticeable if they [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► were like a boring gray or if you know [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► if they could if the plastic could be [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► formulated differently if it was a [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► different color but they were like very [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► white and translucent and that was a [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► problem I think they probably could be [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► cleaned pretty easily I don't know if [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► they were porous or what but an even for [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► the very what the black book also had [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► similar problems with the texture the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► surface texture going eventually Apple [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► settled on materials that are pretty [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► darn resilient the aluminum and the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► finish they put on the aluminum it's not [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► super glossy you know it's like it's [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► it's a finish that will stay looking the [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► same for pretty much the life of the [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► thing and combined with the glass pack [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► trackpad and good key caps in the glass [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► screens you can have a Apple laptop that [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► looks more or less the same plus or [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► minus dents and maybe scratches but in [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► terms of color discoloration and finish [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► many many years later one of these [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► fabric-covered things I think no matter [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► how careful you are depending on your [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► personal body chemistry and amount of [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► crap on your hands not literally but [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► maybe literally like it's going to be [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► very difficult very very difficult to [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► keep this thing looking like new with [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► unwashable fabric coating the surface [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► where your hands are going to be so [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► perhaps not a wise choice is a [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► differentiator it is a style difference [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► as I mentioned last show I think it's a [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► style difference that doesn't go far [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► enough because it essentially looks like [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► an Apple laptop and someone put put a [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► bunch of felt on top of which I think [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► it's not a good look and B I think is [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► apes Apple's design cues still too [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► strongly despite the fabric anyway be [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► careful out there with your fabric [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► covered laptops one thing I will also [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► point out I was thinking about this [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► earlier today and as Casey's talking [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► about the plastic MacBook it kind of [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► reminded me of this that you know it [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► wasn't that long ago that most of [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► Apple's lower end or consumer grade [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► products were plastic and that you had [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► to pay it like pay more to get the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► premium Pro ones that were metal and for [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► all the complaining I do about some of [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► Apple's product decisions or apathy or [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► various things there you know nearby [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► the move to pretty much everything being [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► made of premium materials is appreciated [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► that is something that not every brand [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► does in fact no other brand does it as [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► far as I know in computing every laptop [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► like every every Mac that Apple sells is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► now made of metal every phone now like [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► is made of you know decent metal and has [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► a decent güstrow design like there are [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► no more like cheap plastic options that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► unless I'm forgetting something big but [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► as far as as far as hell there aren't [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► any everything now is made of the nice [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► materials that you know for the most [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► part that age well and things like that [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► so Apple TVs plastic right oh yeah but [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► you don't touch that or move it anyway [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► is it's nice-looking plastic and you [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► totally don't touch it yeah same deal [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► with time capsule thanks tip story I [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► forgot the time capsule everybody forgot [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► about the time capsule yeah Apple [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► forever the time capsule but they don't [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► sell it they're out of the router [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► business I think they still are for sale [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► I think they just weren't going to make [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► more of them really yeah anyway it [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► doesn't matter anyway so yeah just nice [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► little note that it's nice that now [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► everything is made of good materials [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► some of the camera mention the iPhone 5c [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► which is my immediate thought with [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► plastic I think the iPhone 5c is it [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► shows that plastic can look and feel [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► premium because I think the 5c was great [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► design a great external designer phone [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► every time I see them in public [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► they look like they're brand new like [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► you know it's just very hard durable [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► shiny probably really easy to clean [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► plastic that doesn't get dirty right so [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► it can be done and you know you [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► mentioned the Apple TV it's a similar [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► type of thing that even people were [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► handling that I think would be very [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► resistant because if we just make it out [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► of like plastic is not just one material [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► it's a million different formulations [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► and Apple sort of learned the hard way [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► which formulations do and don't work [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► from the soft plastic on the screen of [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► the first iPod Nano you know to the [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► discoloring mac books and other [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► materials they tried like the titanium [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► power book that had problems with the [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► paint staying on like they eventually [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► set it on a solution that works well and [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► they've spread it throughout their line [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► which is a good idea but I'm not going [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► to count out plastic entirely but I [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► think I'm gonna kind of can out fabric [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► entirely that's something that you want [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► to put the quote-unquote wrist rest area [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► of a lap [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► as I like no matter how you know you go [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► to the furniture store and they say [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► we've got the magic coating that repels [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► water and you can throw like jell-o [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► pudding on this couch and nothing will [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► happen and that's true until that [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► coating wears away and then you know [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► that then you know it's anything that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► you're going to rub something up against [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► it's just it's not going to last [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► so I suppose they could work on was that [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► Simon izing or whatever all sorts of [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► SuperDuper waterproofing coating for [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► fabrics but a that they make the fabric [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► feel more like plastic at that point and [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► be even those wear off eventually can I [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► pay the extra fifty cents at the car [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► wash to get it resized is that about I [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► don't know what that I'm just pulling [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► that board out of my head know where [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► they came I believe that's wax at the [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► car wash but I'm not positive yes I go [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► through drive-thru car washes you know [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► don't add me bro or whatever I can't [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► believe you do that I wouldn't do that [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► I'm sure Casey wouldn't I I decided I [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► decided a few years ago after first [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► doing it for cars that I didn't know [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► better or didn't care and then I started [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► getting nicer cars and people like you [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► guys scared me into not going through [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► automatic car washes and I didn't want [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► to get my clear coat all swirly or [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► whatever and the result of that was I [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► had really nice cars that were always [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► incredibly embarrassingly dirty if you [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► live in upstate New York that's what [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► you're supposed to have so instead I [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► decided starting with with my current [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► car I decided I'm not going to care [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► I'm just going to go through the car [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► wash when I feel like it and my car has [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► been way cleaner as a result and I don't [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► care it's just the lease what do you [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► care all the scratches that are getting [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► from little little bits of grit that are [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► on those flabby things scratching your [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► car over the place it's not yours and [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► honestly I don't really notice like I I [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► know I know what to look for it is a [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► little bit different now that my car is [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► red it like it's way more notice one [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► black on the red it's a lot less [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► noticeable or it's noticeable I've fewer [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► angles I guess so I don't care and most [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► of the time from almost every angle my [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► car looks better now that I'm going [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► through car washes whenever I feel like [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it rather than when I would go like five [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► months of that getting a car wash [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► because I had to wait until I could go [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► to the place it took an hour or when [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► Casey visited pretty much oh to be [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► blissfully ignorant again and you know [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► it turns out maybe the black cars [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► weren't so [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► good idea moving on oh man am Archaea [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► Banerjee and I'm sorry if I pronounced [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► that wrong asks do you folks think that [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► the popularity of touch input on Windows [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► laptops could just be attributed to the [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► terrible trackpads that given a good [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► trackpad having a fridge toaster OS in a [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► laptop form factors unnecessary I don't [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► it's very hard for me to say because [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► I've never had a touchscreen laptop and [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► I've only ever used them a couple times [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and I found them very frustrating [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► because I wasn't used to being able to [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► touch the screen and maybe I grazed it [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► accidentally and all of a sudden my [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► cursor moved or maybe I was stabbing at [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► it like a monster who knows but anyway [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► because I've never really understood [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► understood the appeal of it I don't [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► think that it's a trackpad problem [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► although I do know that Windows [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► computers have just low fly terrible [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► trackpads I think that people just [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► genuinely do like having touchscreen [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► laptops like anyone who I've ever spoken [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► to who has a touchscreen Windows laptop [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► pretty much every single one of them [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► enjoys it and likes having the option of [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► stabbing at the screen I don't get that [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it seems kind of kooky to me but that's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► pretty universally my anecdotal [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► experience what do you guys think I mean [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► we've all been around computers for a [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► long time now we know that there are [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► screen textures and non screen textures [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► so maybe the screen texture is finally [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► just one yeah close they don't touch my [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► screen I know I agree with Daisy that [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► yes they have travel track pads but this [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► is a separate issue people like to touch [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► the screen and I don't think they do it [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► super duper often they just like the [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► option of being able to do it because I [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► mean just think of the generation it's [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► going to grow up with the expectation [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► that every screen is touchable to have [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► one that's not just seems broken it [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► doesn't mean that you're going to spend [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► the vast majority of your time on your [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► your traditionally laptop shaped piece [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► of hardware stabbing at the screen I [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► mean you're going to be typing on the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► keyboard you're going to be using the [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► trackpad and every once in a while [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► you're going to stab at the screen it's [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► just all the piece and I think it mostly [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► comes down to software like if the touch [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► targets are frustratingly small as I [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► think it would be if you just slap the [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► touchscreen on a Mac that won't be a [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► good experience but if you're using [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► something like a modern version of [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► Windows where a lot of the applications [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► and parts of the OS make an effort to [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► have touchable targets whatever it's I [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► think it's fine and I don't think it has [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► to do with the bed [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► trackpads because honestly like we we [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► track pet connoisseurs Marco in [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► particular with his hatred of the forest [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► trust trackpad maybe picky about these [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► regular people cannot distinguish [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► between the worst windows trackpad and [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► the best Apple one this because I mean I [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► think I think most people have trackpad [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► skills that are more in line with mine [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► I'm not a tactical acquit I am not [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► particularly graceful with the trackpad [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► I think I'm closer to the average and [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► being a closer to the average trackpad [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► person I know how clumsy it feels and [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► that is the overwhelming factor in [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► trackpad use not the quality of the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► trackpad like or the mouse tracking or [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► the size of the trackpad or how [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► sensitive it is or whatever no matter [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► how good the trackpad is I feel clumsy [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► so I think that's how most people feel [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► that's why if you were trying to put the [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to track bits maybe they would notice [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the Apple one is bigger but other than [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► that they're like whatever they're both [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► trackpad so no that's not the reason [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► that touchscreens uh I think that's a [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► little bit aggressive I think that [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► certainly not everyone notices how far [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► improved the Apple trackpads are but I [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► think a lot of quote-unquote normal [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► people do notice I certainly they notice [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► the size just like you said but I think [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► it's noticed more often than most [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► offered people that are not like super [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► nerds say to me oh you know I got this [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► Mac and man that trackpads much better [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► it doesn't happen a lot to your point [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► but it does happen for sure it's kind of [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► one of those things where if they [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► haven't tried the better one they're not [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► sitting there using their Windows laptop [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► and you come from man how can you use [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► that track Reggie like yeah it's fine [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► now if you were to give them an Apple [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► laptop per weekend they had to go back [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► maybe they could tell the difference but [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it's I don't I don't hear it as a pain [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► point I don't hear it is a reason people [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► don't like their computers or if I go to [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► have to use someone's Windows computer [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► at work and I say to the person I don't [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► know how you work on this trackpad [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► they'll be like what what's wrong with [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► it it's fine because they don't have [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► anything to compare it to and it is is [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► the same awkward little thing that [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► they're just used to using or they just [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► use the keyboard all the time don't [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► forget the culture of being a Windows [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► user which is like everything kind of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► doesn't work and so you just like that's [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► what you expect as normal like you don't [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► even realize how much better things can [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► be when things work and our thoughtfully [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► designed because on Windows you're just [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► constantly like lying on a bed of nails [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► and you don't even notice it after a [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► while like that sometimes I go to [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► something use someone's Windows laptop [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► of work and they have like like four [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► buttons like two above and two below the [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► trackpad or some other weird arrangement [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► or there's basically redundant left and [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► right mouse buttons on the surface of [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► the laptop and I'll try to do it and [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► like nothing will happen like oh yeah [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► that set of buttons doesn't work use [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► these ones it continued to tolerate and [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► use this thing you consider it not [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► broken when some of the buttons and some [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► of the major buttons on the front of it [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► don't work you just get around you just [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► have to use that button well no no what [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► probably is happening there is it [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► probably has both an inferior trackpad [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► pointing device and the unequivocally [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► superior TrackPoint style pointing [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► device and the buttons above the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► trackpad are for the track point [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► yeah banal and then oftentimes that'll [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► get turned off because people are wrong [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and they use the trackpad instead before [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► the entire world well actually is me [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► remember that I'm basing this opinion on [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► a pre gesture time now the gestures are [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► a thing then trackpads honestly are the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► better approach but before gestures were [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► a thing I tell you all you people who [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► laugh at that little nubbin Mouse you're [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► wrong it was way better anyway Corey [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► Floyd wrote Syd wrote in to say that [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► they work at Wikimedia and heard our [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► latest show discussing like a Tribune [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► project and they wanted to kind of not [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► necessarily correct but bring up a few [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► whicka Tribune isn't affiliated with [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► Wikipedia or Wikimedia in any way which [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► has been causing some confusion in the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► media this is Corey still I think this [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► mostly came across in your episode but I [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► also wanted to include a few other [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► interesting specifics below what [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► contribute is based on WordPress not [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► media weak wiki like Wikipedia and its [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► sister projects additionally it is not [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► actually developed or otherwise [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► maintained by existing Wikimedia or [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► Wikipedia community and finally [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► Wikimedia also has an existing albeit [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► unsuccessful project called wiki News [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► which is in some ways a competitor to [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► wiki Tribune in the first place and [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► that's it wiki news org will put all [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► these links in the show notes so I've [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► got Jimmy Wales that is the connecting [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► thread but don't be confused about the [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► fact that this is a Wikipedia spin-off [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► because it's not we are sponsored this [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► week by Warby Parker with prescription [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► eyeglasses starting at just [TS]

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00:31:08 ◼   ► Warby Parker makes buying glasses online [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► easy and risk-free here's how they do it [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► they have a home Tryon program and this [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► is totally free what you do is you pick [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► out up to five pairs of glasses they [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► ship them to you you can try them on and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► get feedback or look at yourself in the [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► mirror to post selfies or whatever you [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► want for five days and there's no [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► obligation to buy because they ship it [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► to you for free and then they give you a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► prepaid return shipping label so of [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► course also free you can see for [TS]

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00:31:38 ◼   ► ATP their glasses start at just 95 [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► dollars including prescription lenses [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► and it's with anti glare and anti [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► scratch code these are nice glasses they [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► come on a wonderful case with a nice [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► cleaning cloth my wife has it has a few [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► pairs of these and they really are [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► fantastic we are big fans of every [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► Parker here and they look good too and [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► also for every pair you buy Warby Parker [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► distributes a pair of glasses to someone [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► in need through various vision charities [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► around the world so check out the home [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► Tryon kit to see for yourself how great [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► Warby Parker's glasses are you will be [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► surprised how easy it is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► they various previewing tools even on [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► lines you can get an idea of what I look [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► like on you before you even try it on [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► there app can also help you out they [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► have an app in the App Store with a home [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► Tron companion feature you can take [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► pictures of you wearing the frames you [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► stitch into a video you can share it [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► with friends to help pick a winner and [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► all this again for just $95 starting a [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► pair starting for a pair glasses [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► including prescription lenses glasses [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► should not cost as much as an iPhone [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► they should be affordable so make sure [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► that you should be able to have multiple [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► pairs if you want to more like fashion [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► accessories so check it out today [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► Warby Parker comm / ATP to get your free [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► home try on kit try put five pairs of [TS]

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00:32:51 ◼   ► to buy check it out today will be Parker [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► com / ATP thank you very much - Warby [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► Parker for sponsoring our show so [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► another Amazon cylinder that isn't a [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► cylinder thing came out and I really [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► don't care so to somebody who actually [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► gives a crap want to talk about this [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► marker and I mean this is more of a [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► three-dimensional trapezoid fair enough [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► yeah good point this is a marker [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► that you got we've got a quote from [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► someone named Marco who wrote in to the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► show to say I'd upgrade our kitchen echo [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► to this in a heartbeat he says looking [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► at a vineyard picture of the actual echo [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► show yeah [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► so Marco have you upgraded your kitchen [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► echo to this now that your heart has [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► beaten no I haven't because it isn't out [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► yet but I did place a pre-order and it [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► will be hereon allegedly june 28th so we [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► will see when that comes basically the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► gist of it is you know the the Amazon [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► echo is is quite wonderful to many [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► people myself included and my family has [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► really gotten into it we use it all the [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► time and it's it lives in our kitchen [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► and it is wonderful for playing music [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► around the house for setting timers [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► especially while cooking TIF uses it all [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► the time for things like checking the [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► weather in the morning when running [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► around getting Adam ready for school so [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► it there are a number of use cases [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► during the day where it would be nice to [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► have a screen for instance the timers [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► that I just mentioned it would be nice [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► to see how much time is left to see them [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► counting down if there ever becomes a [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► way to set multiple named timers right [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► now you can set multiple timers but you [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► can't name them I'm pretty sure the [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► Google home you can name them but the [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► echo does not support that at the moment [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► but again like when you have multiple [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► timers going be nice to see them [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► visually and maybe they have little [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► touch buttons to pause or cancel them [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► individually because right now it's kind [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► of you kind of can't do it very well but [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► via voice if you have multiple ones [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► going when TIFF checks the weather in [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the morning first of all though these [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► pictures show it kind of always have a [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► like this home screen that has the clock [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► and the current weather conditions on [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► the screen all the time so that would be [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► nice to do just not even have to ask at [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► certain things if you're walking by you [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► can glance at it and see the weather so [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► there's all sorts of wonderful things [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► like that where like many of the uses [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► that we currently use the echo for would [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► be nicer sometimes or all the time with [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► a screen now there is a fair argument to [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► be made why don't you just put an iPad [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► like right there and just use an iPad [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► all the time and enable the hey dingus [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► feature on it and and just use that and [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► that is a fair argument I have an iPad [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► that sits right next to it that I you [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► that I take around the first floor and [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► please podcast [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► while we do things but we really enjoy [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► the Amazon echo ecosystem we enjoy the [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► way the product works it works very well [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► for us to have another echo come out [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► that has a screen [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► I am willing to give Amazon the benefit [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► the doubt on this you know when the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► first came out we all made fun of it [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► because they released this horrible [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► video and it seemed so weird and creepy [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► not to not the difference we mentioned [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► last week for from the new echo look the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► weird like dressing-room camera thing [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► but you know I I will give them the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► benefit the DAP because as weird as the [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► first echo seemed because they were very [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► bad at selling it or at promoting it and [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► giving us an idea of what it would be [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► like it turned out to be pretty great [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► for a lot of people myself included and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► my family included also to point out - [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► so there have been increasing rumors and [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► increasing rumblings that Apple is [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► probably going to release something [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► similar to this rumors are that it might [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► even come as soon as like next month at [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► WTC keep in mind that if Apple does [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► something like this which would be like [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► a premium speaker with some kind of [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► screen and some kind of built-in you [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► know Siri thing how much is that going [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► to cost because this Amazon thing is 230 [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► bucks and if you might see with them you [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► get $100 off that's what I do backwards [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► I figure so I will have a say you for [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► the second one maybe four maybe we'll [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► give it to you know our parents or [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► whatever else there is no way that Apple [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► is going to release a standalone speaker [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► with a screen that is very iPad like [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► possibly for $200 like that's not going [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► to happen so this will be interesting to [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► see like you know how Apple plays in [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► this market and also again like you know [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► it's going back to previous discussions [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► about it like a lot of what makes the [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► echo so good are things that Apple's not [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► store eclis been so great at things like [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► having a really easy to use open [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► ecosystem to integrate really well with [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► it things like having a really reliable [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► voice service that is fast that is very [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► consistent that works the same way every [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► single time and here's you very very [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► well every single time these are things [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► that apples so far has struggled with so [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► we'll see how that goes but I am [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► optimistic about this this Amazon thing [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► and to have this only be like 50 bucks [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► more than the one without the screen [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► is pretty impressive and yeah so I'm [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► looking forward to when it arrives in [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► June and look it might be terrible we [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► don't know yet nobody has a review of it [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► no one no one outside of Amazon as far [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► as I know has gotten a chance to use one [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► yet but again I think Amazon's track [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► record in this particular area has [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► actually been proven to be pretty good [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► so we'll see what happens [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► you mentioned before you thought it was [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► a fair argument that buncher's have an [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► iPad in your kitchen instead of this I [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► don't think that's a particularly good [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► argument because the iPad even setting [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► aside software issues in terms of how [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► well Siri understands it can respond to [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► what you can do and how open the [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► ecosystem is for adding you know various [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► skills and actions that connect other [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► devices in your house even just setting [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► that aside just in terms of the hardware [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► an iPad can't compete with this type of [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► device in two of the three areas that [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► are most important one speakers iPad the [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► new iPads have very good speakers but [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► this device is dedicating way more room [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► for speakers so in theory again we [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► haven't seen one of these in theory you [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► can put way way way better speakers in [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► this thing because it's just so much [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► more room for quote unquote real [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► speakers instead of very clever little [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► cavities in your skinny little thing and [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► playing audio to fill the whole kitchen [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► or whatever is an important function of [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► these types of devices and the second [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► one is microphones the iPad has I think [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► it has multiplex probably for noise [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► cancellation but I think that's to the [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► strengths of the echo is whatever weird [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► five microphone beamforming BS it does [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► to be able to you're fast how many eight [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► eight I know anyway there's way more [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► room for more microphones in this type [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► of thing and again we don't know how [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► many microphones this thing has but [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► based on the the the echos that they [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► have put out this is one of the most [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► important function of this thing is to [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► be able to hear you no matter where you [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► are and the iPad the current iPads just [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► don't dedicate that much hardware for [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► that the third area where I think it [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► feel like it can match it is in the [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► camera because you didn't mention this [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► but this doesn't just have a screen it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► has a camera and they're selling the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► kind of video conferencing thing who [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► knows how that will go that's a whole [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► sort of network effect the ecosystem [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► type thing we may just still end up end [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► up facetiming each other on our phones [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► I do see why they [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► added this and I think people will use [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► it just not me yeah you get one to [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Grandma who doesn't who doesn't have an [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► iPhone doesn't know how iPhones work and [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► she can just come in front of this [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► especially the drop end feature like [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► where you don't actually where the [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► certain time where your thing is open to [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► just suddenly seeing you seeing these [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► people on the screen you know like if [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► you set this up with with relatives who [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► are not tech savvy to just to be able to [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► do video conferencing where you could [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► you could never get them to use an iPad [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► even that was too much for them if you [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► just plot this down in their counter [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► like I think that could be effective for [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► that particular purpose yeah but for [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► regular people I don't know but the [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► camera again getting back to the the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► work all the look or the AV echo look [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► over what the hell's it call that go [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► scream was to call ago go look at go [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► show echo show that's because every one [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► things to podcast but now the other one [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► talking about the look the fashion feel [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► the worst names okay yeah that's that's [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► called the look yeah so are saying last [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► week that this this device category of [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► computing devices in your home that have [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► cameras that can see you has legs and [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► here we have within the next week [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► another device that grant from the same [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► company that puts a camera in your house [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► they could see you and does something [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► both of them look like they have tiny [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► little you know tablet type cameras so I [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► think that's a wash in terms of the iPad [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► competing with this but I would be [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► looking for these type of devices the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► look and the show and other things like [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this to get increasingly sophisticated [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► cameras they can follow you that made [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► multiple cameras to synthesize an image [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► with you know depth sensors and stuff [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► like that because that's where these [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► things are going to have more sort of [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► awareness of what's going on they can [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► project sound and video to you and they [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► can be aware of where you are they can [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► hear you roam at ur where you are and [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► they could see you no matter where you [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► are as far as I can tell from this one [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► no it's easy when you're in front of it [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► and that leads me to that all the things [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► I don't like about this particular [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► hardware product like if it is a fixed [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► camera that's kind of crappy you hope [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► it'll be smarter but again cost you know [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► whatever this is the first original [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► weight this thing is homely it's not [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► it's not an attractive device yeah I [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► will agree with you on that I mean but [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► to be to be fair like the echo cylinder [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► is also not very attractive I think [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► that's pretty sleek and I think the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► cylinder has a thing going for it would [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► be unobtrusive you could put it off the [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► side although I do there's another [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► reason why I like the [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► the Google home now that I think about [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► it because I was thinking about you know [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► if we got an echo where would I put it [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► the home is smaller than the echo and it [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► is less obtrusive in the place where I [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► have it but this you can't make this [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► unobtrusive because it has to be a place [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► where you can see the screen and it's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► it's not particularly attractive it [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► black or white it looks kind of like a [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► sort of retro 70s piece of hardware it's [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► very it's very strange it just certainly [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► doesn't look elegant it doesn't look [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► like an Apple device anyway and it [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► doesn't you know it has kind of sort of [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► it's kind of like a Brutalism kind of [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► like a rugged you know maybe soviet-era [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► hardware yeah I guess it has has a [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► certain appeal but and then finally this [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► this thing is I can't really tell from [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the pictures but it's slanted back in [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► all the pictures I see it's tilted [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► backwards like the shape dictates the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► tilt it doesn't seem to have an [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► adjustable tilt and for something that [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► you're going to be looking at that's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► going to be looking back at you that [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► seems just organically and practically [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► speaking very limiting because the echo [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► you can put literally anywhere that it [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► can hear you like high low left-right [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► just whatever it's fine this thing you [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► need sight lines and you need to be able [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► to see it and it needs to be able to see [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► you and depending on how tall you are or [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► how tall most of the people are even [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► just being able to see kids and adults [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► like how would you get that thing in a [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► position where it can both where grandma [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► can both see your you know kids that are [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► half your height and you and even just [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► if you're you know just living by [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► yourself you have to put it on a surface [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► where the camera can see you and you can [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► see the screen which just like it seemed [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it seems like that it would have been [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► better to design this to have a little [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► bit more flexibility about angle and [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► stuff again costs I understand like you [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► can't have an adjustable stand or any [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► kind of tilt thing that is any [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► reasonable quality for this price point [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► so like I'm willing to to give a lot of [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► leeway there but this definitely it kind [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► of reminds me of the first Kindle [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► remember what a monster the first Kindle [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► was oh that was that was something but a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► weird angular white thing with the weird [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► terrible hardware keyboard on it it's [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► like they took a lot of shots of that [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► until they kind of settled down onto [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► like the paperwhite which is kind of the [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► epitome of the old-style Kindle and now [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► they've gone by that weird things like [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► thick on one edge and thin on the other [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► they need to iterate on this one I'm [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► sure they will although I say I'm sure [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► they will but were they done to the [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► Amazon echo it's still the same black [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► cylinder it always was made [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► just nail that one on the first try but [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► I worry about the software your system [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► too because once I start get into the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► realm of like video calling and stuff [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► like that I think it's going to be [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► difficult for them to compete with [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► FaceTime this is basically what they've [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► got here they've got their own little [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► version of FaceTime and FaceTime for all [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► of the wonkiness of like the weird [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► patent thing that costumes have the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► restructure the way it's done and the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► fact that Steve Jobs impulsively said it [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► was going to be opened up to the world [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► and it ever was and all the things I use [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it for its intended purpose frequently [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► and it works you know I mean I can [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► successfully send video and audio to [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► people the only limiting factor is ever [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► crappy internet connections which is [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► really nothing you can do about right [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► because if you're trying to communicate [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► with somebody was a crappy internet [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► connection or you have a crappy internet [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► connection it's not great but it will [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► gracefully degrade to a black screen [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► with just audio and also things it [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► basically works and Amazon as far as I'm [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► aware this is kind of their first foray [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► into this I think did they do like kind [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► of video support for one of the the [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► color fire tablets maybe so maybe it's [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► not not their very first thing yes yeah [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► they had some kind of thing where it was [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► it was like a screen sharing thing where [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► you could wear like their support rep [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► could like login to your tablet and show [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► you how to do things or do things for [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► you because I see them or do they see [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► you I don't know I never I don't think [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► I've heard anybody actually using this [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► feature but they did have that kind of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► thing and again I think this is one of [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► those things like Amazon you know [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► similar to the to the like the the drop [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► in thing was that what they call oddness [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► where you can like kind of force call [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► someone yeah it's the same as the Google [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► like knock knock thing that we thought [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► was a dangerous you know sort of thing [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► thing for abuse but this is opt-in but [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► but at least the way they're doing it [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► yeah it's like it's update its whitelist [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► only you know so and it seems like it's [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► pretty well controlled but like I do [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► give Amazon credit they have four years [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► on their tablets and other products you [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► know other like you know mainstream [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► consumer products for years they have [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► been adding features like that or like [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► very good you know [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► parental controls and like kids [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► scheduling and everything else like [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► features that that you really would [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► expect it coming like Apple to do [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► because that you know Apple so [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► considerate and innovative and cares a [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► lot about the customer experience and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► everything Amazon has really made a lot [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► of these features over the years and and [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► they can kind of get away with it [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► because they're scale is so much [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► like they like imagine the the staffing [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► required if Apple were to do one of [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► those things or they will log in to your [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► computer with you and show you how to do [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► things like that they would never in a [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► million years be able to you know handle [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► that on any kind of scale but but Amazon [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► can do it because they're they're really [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► at a much smaller scale for most these [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► products as far as we're aware well [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► that's true there's no labels in the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► y-axis they make a bunch of weird stuff [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► and not all of it works but it does seem [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► like III think they have they have [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► earned the benefit the doubt in that [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► some of their weird stuff is actually [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► really good it's also weird that like I [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► made a setting aside Apple which is has [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► a strange history with these type of [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► devices and just like being almost like [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► stubbornly unwilling to enter markets [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► even after it's proven they're they're [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► viable just because it doesn't seem big [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► enough to Apple they have different [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► plans or they're pursuing other [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► strategies and just in the meantime we [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► get nothing and now maybe they're fun [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► going to come out with one but like an [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► apple that was doing the opposite of [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► what it's actually doing the current [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► Apple is reducing the number of things [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► that it's not getting rid of the the you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► know the the routers and reducing trying [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► to simplify its computer and phone lines [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► and you know it's it's going the other [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► direction but if it wasn't going in that [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► direction it was expanding there's a lot [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► of categories of devices that you feel [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► like Apple could make a good one up and [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► also Google both of these companies have [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► the have all the pieces to be able to [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► make a really good Bluetooth speaker a [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► really good thing that listens to you I [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► I would I would argue that I don't think [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► we have seen great hardware from Google [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► cool I mean Google hummus is fine we've [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► seen lots of things that come kind of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► close and they always kind of fall down [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► on the support they don't follow through [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► or the products end up being delayed and [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► not shipping or they have weird [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► shortcomings or they only get an OS for [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► like six months like Google I think [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► Google has shown that they are really [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► not set up to be a company that sells [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► and supports their own hardware but they [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► don't follow through but they have all [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► the pieces to make it they have the [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► server side component they can make [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► reasonable hardware even if it's just a [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► broken part chromecast shoved in a [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► cylinder which is the Google home and [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► the chromecast for that matter like that [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► little Donnelly thing like I I agree [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► with you that the follow-through isn't [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► there but [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► they have the pieces to make it happen [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► like any company can make a Bluetooth [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► speaker but once you start connecting it [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► up to services not everybody has [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► services google has tons of services [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► Apple has enough services that you know [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► you give Siri and and Google now and so [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► like what's on the other end of this [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► making it work right and so those simple [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► categories of like wouldn't we have all [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► you know loved if Apple made a good [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► Bluetooth speaker and had been revising [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► it over the years we would all give them [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► an extra 50 bucks for the Apple one [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► because it would be nice in some way if [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► it was actually nice and the same thing [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► for you know essentially a Bluetooth [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► speaker with a screen the Siri that you [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► can ask the weather that you know like [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► the cheapest possible iPad shoved into a [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► Bluetooth speaker thing with much better [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► like Apple could have made this is what [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► I'm saying Apple could make the exact [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► echo show and who knows at WABC they may [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► announce the thing they've made that is [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► like this but better and has Marco said [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► twice is expensive whatever but they [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► haven't been participating in this [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► market at all leaving other people to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► try all sorts of things and I supposed [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► to gain loyalty and to build their [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► ecosystems and someone is over to the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► point where I feel like Google so what [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► happening they're like oh we should have [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► a cylinder and so they do and maybe [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► Google will try to come out with [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► something like this too and just to see [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► Apple sit on the sidelines it's it's [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► fine if they are working on the next big [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► thing but it may turn out that these [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► little things build up the next big [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► thing and if Apple's going to sit it out [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► for much longer I think it's a mistake [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► I'm curious to see what happens [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► and I'll use me as an example if it [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► let's say at WWDC they announced the the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► Apple equivalent of this tube thing I'm [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► stumbling because I don't want to say [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► any of the like trigger words and I have [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► to have you believe them later but [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► anyway it's called the Apple Alexa hey [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► Siri yeah well you did this to yourself [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► so anyway if Apple releases a a lady in [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► a canister equivalent I'm curious to see [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► what my reaction will be because sitting [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► here now like again I don't doubt that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► the echo is very nice and that it serves [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► a purpose for a lot of people and that [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► I've no doubt Marco that you guys use it [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► constantly and love it like that that's [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► there's nothing wrong with that me I I [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► don't feel like this is solving a [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► problem that I have my life I said that [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► many times before I'm curious as kind of [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► a litmus test to how susceptible I am to [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► whatever Apple tells me to do I'm [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► curious to see what happens if Apple [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► releases their own leading [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► canister and what my reaction is to that [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► because if I'm like well holy crap I've [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► got to have one of these how could I've [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► lived without it and it's really just a [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► echo but Apple branded then apparently I [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► really am a lemming and and it's all [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► downhill from here [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► in reality it would most likely be $300 [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► and you would say oh I don't want to buy [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► this one I'll get the next one maybe and [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► then inevitably I'll buy it anyway [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► yeah it's six months later you'll have [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► three of them speaking of a Google Alma [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► miner Google home update they added a [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► thing like let's you distinguish people [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► by voice and so they can ask for you [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► know tell me what my day is like and it [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► will tell you your calendar by directing [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► guising who you are so it's basic multi [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► user functionality unfortunately no one [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► ever asked Google home what's on their [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► calendar because it's just not a thing [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► that we do and so distinguishing us by [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► voice is not particularly useful I think [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► the only two voices and notice that this [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► thing is mine and my daughter's because [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► we are like the most frequent users but [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► all that said I continue to be impressed [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► by I mean it's basically this Google [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► search behind the scenes because I'm [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► always impressed by Google search when [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► you do when you type in something in [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► that search box and it somehow figures [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► out what you mean and gives you relevant [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► results that's the magic of Google most [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► recent one is we were talking about [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► something of dinner table and we're [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► talking about a movie and and like was [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► that release then or well you know what [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► year was that released we could ask the [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► Google home what year was the movie bla [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► bla bla released and I didn't have to [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► think about how do I have to phrase this [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► in a way they can understand I don't [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► even remember how I phrased it I just [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► asked it the same way I would ask a a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► person with encyclopedic knowledge of [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► movie releases who's sitting in the [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► corner of the room and the thing spoke [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► out the movie bla bla was released in [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► March bla bla bla bla bla that to me is [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► still magic because a it's exactly like [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► Google search like I probably just [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► turned it into into text and typed into [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► Google search and then read me the top [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► hit or something like that but the [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► bottom line is it answered my question [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► it wasn't just like a a general purpose [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► like what's the weather what does my day [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► look like I had a specific question [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► about a movie about the release date and [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► interesting just tell me the movie and [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► list off like all the metadata let me [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► tell you everything about this movie [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► starring this person directly this [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► person releasing I had to wait for the [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it just told me the release date of the [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► and that I love that right and that's [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► something that I feel like you can't do [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► if you aren't backed by Google because [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► the hard part is not hearing me in [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► translating a text the hard part is [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► figuring out what did you say and what [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► did you mean and how do I answer you now [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► for all I know that's a canned thing [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that they expect people to ask or [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► whatever but the more of those I have [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► the less I think I'm just getting lucky [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► and happening to hit upon something they [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► anticipated and especially coded support [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► for and there's just like the magic of [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► Google so what was the movie Speight I [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► don't remember I hope it was too long [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► ago but despite this by Google home I [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► feel like it's still it's still not [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► being revised as quickly as I would have [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► hoped and its capabilities not expanding [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► in the way that I hoped but just for the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► basic functionality of answering my [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► questions let me have the dinner table [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and quickly settling arguments it's [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► money well spent [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► all right name a movie on 4 October [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► there you go Alexa what year was the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► Hunt for Red October released the movie [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► The Hunt for Red October was released in [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► 1989 it's magic there's been a lot of [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► these queries where I will ask the echo [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► one of the you know a question like this [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► and the things that I will say will that [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► that I think there's no way that it's [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► going to be able to help me with this [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► well it didn't because it's wrong it's [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► the 2nd of March 1990 [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► really minor points morning-time DB that [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► was the American really is that [TS]