The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► we're not going to get through all this [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► follow so just a certain point someone [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► just pull the ripcord and we'll get the [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► hell out the show now we have crossed a [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► wonderful threshold that is totally [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► worth pointing out and calling out on [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► this show we have on my desk is an iPad [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► that is faster in every measure I could [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► possibly think of then John's Mac Pro [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► you are so mean oh you're so mean if it [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► beats a single-core a couple generations [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► ago and it is finally crossed the [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► multi-core so now and I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► the GPU is probably lay ahead I'm also [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► pretty sure that the screen on it is [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► higher resolution on the screen [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► connected to Jon's Mac Pro so is if we [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► have finally crossed the point where not [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► even the best iPad but just like the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► middle-of-the-road iPad is faster in [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► every respect I can possibly think to [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► measure then John's Mac Pro it's the [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► best iPad isn't it what set is the top [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► 100 faster higher clock or something I [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► know actually I think it's the same in [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► all respects just the higher extreme [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► resolution yeah well my fans are faster [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► so beat that I got so many more divided [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► by 0 that's not fair [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► yeah well just put up at an event in [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► your calendar and we'll revisit that [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► iPad in 10 years [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► uh-huh we'll see how it's doing yeah [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► that's what you're clinging to yeah is [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the shattered glass on its surface long [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► after it's been dropped in at least my [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► Hardware still works ten years on barely [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► but it works it's all I've got [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► so I've got to hang on to now and I want [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► this I want this Mac to feel safe and [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► loved and to just carry me through so I [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► can turn funny of it oh now that Nev the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► iPad like medium sized has USB 3 over [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► its lightning port I also have faster [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► ports on your Mac Pro oh that's [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► magnificent all right let's get this [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► show on the road we this is going to be [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► an all follow-up episode and it's just [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► the way it's going to have to be well I [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► all follow-up episode we will do an [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► after show that has some quasi follow-up [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► but we should dig right in [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► John here we go tell us about a PFS so [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► the AP FS session was on Friday at WWDC [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► saved it till the very end so obviously [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► we couldn't talk about it when we had [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► our live WWC episode because the session [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► hadn't been run yet Ron there was some [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► new information in this session in [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► particular all the issues about file [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► name encoding that we've been talking [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► about on the show we're still talking [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► about of course so this was the the one [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and only bugga filed against ap FS like [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► last year back when it was introduced [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► with last year think it was last year [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► whatever was yeah I filed a bug we [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► talked about it on the show what are [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► they going to do about encoding and we [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► had you know and we've been talked about [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► off and on for a long time so I think is [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► the the biggest aside from a data [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► integrity which basically was a no-go on [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► that you know as we found out last year [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► so set that aside such a feature doesn't [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► have the encoding issue seem like a big [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► deal and it turns out it is a big deal [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► so some caveats here the session about [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► it was kind of vague and I tried to talk [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► to the Apple folks afterwards and I did [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► get to talk to a few of them including [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► one of the guys who implemented the [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► stuff I'm going to talk about now but it [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► didn't have that much time to talk to [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► him because they went down to the labs [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► and labs is your head like a big line [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► and everything and it seemed like super [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► official and I didn't want to get in [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► that line and like hog the file system [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► engineers from people who are developing [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► apps so I only got a brief time to talk [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► to them sort of in the hallways in [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► transit so forgive me if I got some of [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► this wrong if anyone wants to write in [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► and clarify they can let me know but [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► here's what I've got so in hi Sierra [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► there's something that they're calling [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► native normalization and that's going to [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► be an AP FS I remember a B vest came to [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► iOS and what ten point three point [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► something or other a couple weeks or a [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► month ago and we talked about it on the [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► show and the question we had was what is [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► going to be like when ApS comes to the [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► Mac is it going to be the same deal so [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► and so forth well one thing right off [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► the bat is different AP FS on High [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► Sierra has native normalization what [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that means is file names are stored as [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► provided by the program in the file [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► system so whatever whatever garbage you [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► give it it says I'm writing that as the [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► file name there you go [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► but directory lookups are done through [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► hashes of normalized versions of the [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► file name so if you put in some file [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► name that's you know I don't know if [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► just any valid sequence of you know you [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► whatever's and you do a look-up on it [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► with a different but equivalent sequence [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► and it's the whole thing with like cafe [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► with a needle exclamation up with an [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► accent on it you can do that with accent [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► as a single character as to combining [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► characters right as far as you're [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► concerned that's the same file name so [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► what native normalization will do is [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► when it stores the hashes for that [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► directory it will not hash the file name [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► that you gave it the finally that's [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► actually in the file system instead it [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► will normalize that file name and store [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► that hash and then when you try to look [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► it up it'll take whatever you gave it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► normalize that hash it and compared to [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► the other hash so it's kind of weird [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► that you've got in the file system a [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► file name and each file name has a [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► corresponding hash that is not a hash of [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► that file name it's a hash of the [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► normalized version that file name and [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► they're using NFD normalization put a [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► link in the show notes to look at the [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► different normalization forms in Unicode [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► the one they're using according to one [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► of the engineers to talk to is NF D and [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► this is what they call native [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► normalization so that will make it so [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► that on the Mac when you when a program [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► tries to look up a file name no matter [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► how sloppy the program is with the [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► encoding it will find it because it's [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► going to be looking it up by a hash of [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the normalized version of that not by [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► what you gave it so it's not going to [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► take what you gave it and compare it to [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► the actual file name because then it [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► might not get it and here's the other [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► interesting part about this so iOS still [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► has still doesn't do this yet what [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► they're going to add something they call [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► run time normalization in iOS 10 3 3 and [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► iOS 11 which will not change what's in [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► the file system but will do something [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► that is vague and I didn't understand at [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the file system level to make it so you [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► can find your files and here's the [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► kicker this this is right from the the a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► BFS presentation slide future update [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► will convert all devices to the new [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► native normalization so what that means [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► is some point in the future they're [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► going to update all iOS devices file [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► systems again and they're not going to [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► convert them from one file system to [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► another they're going to basically add [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► all the hashes of the normalized forms [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► of all the file names I don't know if [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► that is more dangerous or less dangerous [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► than the other thing it seems to me that [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► it could be more dangerous but I'm [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► assuming they're doing in an additive [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► way but this is what I was getting I was [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► hemming and hawing over this encoding [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► stuff it's going to cause them to have [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► the file system on every single iOS [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► device at some point in the future like [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► they didn't get it over with there's [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► another one looming whereas the Mac is [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► going to do this one time conversion and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► it will have the system from the get [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► going it seems to me that Apple's file [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► system engineers were surprised at how [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► many iOS programs take strings directly [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► from the UI and feed them to file system [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► API without doing like a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► misrepresentation or any other sort of [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► api's that turn the string into the form [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► that the file system understands it just [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► as though someone typed something in a [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► field however that field in my [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► application got that string however was [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► typed however was you know whatever [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► however was normalized and not [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► normalized you composed or whatever I'm [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► just going to pass it straight through [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► to the file system and that that in turn [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► ends up having people not be able to [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► open up their files usually in non ASCII [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► language is obviously because ASCII is [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► very simple it maps one to one to utf-8 [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► and all that so surprise your iOS [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► devices are going to get updated again [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► yay there's actually uh something really [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► fascinating about that and I think I'm [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► jumping ahead in the show notes and I [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► apologize to mr. John siracusa during [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► the talk show I think was federighi had [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► mentioned that whatever version of iOS [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► it doesn't really matter what version it [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► was that the really flipped the switch [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► on a PFS and that migrated everyone to a [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► PFS apparently for like two or three [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► versions prior during the upgrade they [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► would do and jump in John when you're [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► ready they would do kind of like a a [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► trial run of the AP FS migration try to [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► figure out did this work what went right [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► what went what went wrong phone home the [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► results and then revert it all back to [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► hfs+ is that a fair summary yeah and [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that's the only way I think people were [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► surprised by this but if you've ever [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► done a sort of a production rollout on a [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► large-scale it's the only way you can [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► ever do something like this you the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► first time you run it for real on [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► everyone's devices can't be the first [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► time it runs right you have to have run [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► it several times before doing it [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► unbeknownst to them is certainly a novel [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► way to do it one possible way to do it [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► is to roll it out to a small subset of [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► your users use them as the guinea pigs [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► I'm not [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► sure how big like that were everybody to [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► get any things breather way you want you [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► have to you never you know programmers [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► no you never find a hugger thing [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► actually works until you you know run it [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► for real and server-side programmers no [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► production is never like exactly like [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► staging is never exactly like dev and so [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► on and so forth you think it is you try [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► to make them as much the same as you [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► possibly can but inevitably you roll [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► something out to production and surprise [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► it behaves a little bit differently in [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► strange ways that you never could have [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► predicted in when you have millions and [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► millions of users that is sure to be the [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► case so yeah they you know since the [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► conversion is non-destructive until the [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► very last step as described in past [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► episodes of the show they did the [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► conversion just didn't do the last step [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► and then ran a full integrity check to [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► say if I was to do this last step would [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► this thing be hosed or would it be okay [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and then obviously we report the results [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► back to themselves and they could see [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► how it goes and they could have kept [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► doing that process until you know like [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► it could be that you know iOS level [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► would have been the conversion for it [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► but I guess they did it enough times and [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► got enough results to say it's safe to [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► do it in 10 3 whatever that they you [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► know conversion was so that's just a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► good engineering there and you know and [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► like I said Ford's the design of a PFS [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the type of file system that is allows [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► them to do both the trial runs and the [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► conversion in a fairly safe way I just I [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► mean again like you said it does make [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► sense but I just found that fascinating [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► that that was the path they chose and [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► just very clever stuff i it's that's [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► super cool it was really cool there were [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► a couple of other interesting tidbits we [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► got from the talk show which will I'm [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► sure discussed later [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► keeping with the a PFS train tell me [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► about the compression versus HFS+ yeah [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► this was a question I had a couple shows [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► back hey hfs+ has compression and a lot [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► of our West files are compressed and [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► other files can be compressed both by [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► user programs and by the OS and stuff [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► like that that's totally transparent to [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you when you read the file off of a file [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► system hfs+ if it's compressed just [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► decompress is it on the fly you'd never [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► see it it never looks any different they [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► added that feature many years ago right [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► my question was how do you [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► non-destructively convert an HFS+ volume [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► to a PFS while not moving any of the [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► data because if you have a compressed [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► file and you leave it compressed and you [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► convert to a PF s and a PF s doesn't [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► understand that compression when you [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► read that file will be garbage because [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► it's not abs won't know how to [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► decompress it so it'll just read the [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► compressed bytes which is not what [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► you're going to expect and in the grand [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► tradition of Gruber forgetting to ask [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► Phil and Craig questions I forgot to ask [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► anybody w do you see how the heck [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► they're doing this so if anybody knows [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► tell me and it'll be follow-up in a [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► future show I just totally forgot to ask [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► I should have like written it on my palm [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► or something [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► say hey by the way when I've got your [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► heavy an impression again the easiest [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► solution is obviously the day PFS just [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► understands that compression handles it [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► that could be the case you know it's a [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► simple solution but I have no idea [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► interesting alright so next time next [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► WTC you'll have to remember iOS 11 dots [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► for signal strength so I am only vaguely [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► familiar with what's going on here but [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► apparently in some contexts either [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► screenshots or perhaps the OS itself is [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► showing circles for signal strength for [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► your cellular carrier but in other [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► context it's vertical bars is that right [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► I don't know what that who is running [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► iOS 11 I have it on my iPad that's [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► faster than John's Mac Pro and I can [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► tell you that it is definitely using [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► bars all the time yeah I think people [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► were confused by that because in the [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► keynote they showed like the [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► Notification Center slides were near [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► when you first saw the bar isn't it like [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► and we all know Notification Center [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► here's the things you can do in [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► Notification Center those were all iOS [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► 10 screenshots that's why I was showing [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► like existing stuff you can do [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► Notification Center it was like a lineup [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► of big things and they all had dots in [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► them and the next slide was like here's [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► what you can do in iOS 11 and those had [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► bars someone told me they thought there [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► was a screenshot in the keynote that was [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► supposed to be iOS 11 that also had dots [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► but I don't recall seeing either way [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► Marko's got the actual beta and their [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► bars again like it whatever you see like [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► in betas and stuff is never actually [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► final but I can tell you that in beta [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► one on my iPad it is bars all bars all [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► the time and this is a welcome change [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► because dots always sucked I'm going to [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► like dots but the most important thing [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► about bars versus dots as far as [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► everyone's conspiracy theories go on [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► this is that bars take up less with in [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► the top bar and why would that be [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► important why do you need them to be [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► smaller all of the weird rumors about [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the iPhone 8 or whatever they're going [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► having something in the middle of the [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► top of your screen that doesn't leave [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► enough room for the five dots to you [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► know lay themselves out that something [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► could be part of the case of the phone [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► like the cameras and stuff and it could [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► be like a little mono brow type thing [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► where the top of the phone is not [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► straight across but actually this is a [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► little dip in the middle it could be [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► that the cameras are behind the screen [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► at that point I don't quite understand [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► why you'd have to get rid of the bar so [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that anyway there are a lot of theories [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► about why it has to be thinner the thing [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► that bothers me about the bars is and [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► one of the reasons that well I don't [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► know if one reason Apple got rid of them [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► but it was one of the things that people [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► don't like about bars and it was [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► discussed when they did get rid of them [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► was that visually speaking like the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► visual weight of one two three four or [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► five bars is not even so if you have two [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► bars it doesn't look like half the lit [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► up pixels of four bars because it's like [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► a stair-step thing and you know it just [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► it looks like your signal is weaker than [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► it is then you do with dots if you have [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► five evenly sized dots then sort of one [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► you know two dots is exactly you know [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► almost exactly half the lit up pixels as [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► four dots you know and so it seems more [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► fair and you don't like to see your [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► phone with these tiny little one or two [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► bars even though two bars could be [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► perfectly good you feel a little bit [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► better when you see two out of five dots [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► at least that's my impression anyway [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► remember when they fixed antenna gate by [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► making the bars taller yeah or that [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► didn't they just like change the scale [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► because like what is three bars really [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► that you know this isn't yeah they did [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► some fussing that it'll actually did [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► both like they I think they changed I [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► think they changed some of you like you [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► know decibel cutoff points of what the [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► bars are presented and also they they [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► made the shorter like the leftmost bars [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► a little bit taller so that's why it's [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► kind of like a like almost like a curved [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► ramp up from the left instead of a [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► straight ramp up it may call the bar is [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► the same height so it's like a block or [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► something well that's what dots are yeah [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► but they're all spread out no but these [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► whole things about like trying to like [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► you know make room for you know a cutout [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► in the 2017 new iPhone I don't I'm not [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► sure I buy that be like the whole idea [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► of having these like these protruding [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► like camera and speaker things and [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► having a screen that goes [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► above to the left on the right of it I [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► still don't get that at all because I [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► just I mean I think we've learned by now [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► that the rumor cycle with this kind of [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► stuff gets about a third of what they [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► predict correct like it's it's not a [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► great ratio and I think this is just one [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► of those things like this this sounds [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► like something an Android maker would do [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► not something Apple to do because if you [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► think about how that screen space would [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► actually be used first of all there's a [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► lot of stuff that goes in the status bar [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► still even in iOS 11 there's lots of [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► stuff that goes in the status bar one of [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► the big things is where the clock go the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► clock is right right there in the middle [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► and there's not really room on the sides [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► to put it there if you unless you get [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► rid of something else that everyone [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► likes or that you need so it's just like [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► I just don't I don't see how the status [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► bar morphs to have a big cut out in the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► middle of it and still be good anyway [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► and then I also don't see why you would [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► have the screen extend with this giant [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► rectangle sticking into the middle of it [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► because what are you going to do with [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that space like are you going to show [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► parts of a photo that extend into that [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► into that space then you then you see [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► the big black cutout like it's just I [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► don't see any way in which that looks [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► good and actually works in practice let [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► us have eyebrows rendered there you know [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► like rendered hair push your eyebrows [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► yeah you know so the non [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► conspiracy-theory [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► other than someone that looks just like [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► dots which is perfectly valid is that [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► having more room in the status bar is [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► always a good thing right I mean that [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► gives you more options sometimes I saw [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► as products kind of crowded up there and [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► if you're taking up less room with dots [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► then you get a little more breathing [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► room and it looks nicer if they want to [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► say take that weird back arrow thingy [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► that is always squished up in the is [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► that even in the status bar anyone know [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► yeah it does yeah like lay that out [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► differently now they have extra room who [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► knows anyway it could just be that in [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► like dots we'll find out you know a [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► couple months indeed all right another [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► thing that has happened in iOS 11 [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► apparently the third-party service [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► integration that came in a couple of [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► versions ago and remember exactly when [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► so this is integration at the system [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► level with Twitter Facebook Flickr Vimeo [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► you could enter your passwords [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it's for any of those services at the [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► system level and then when an app wants [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► to leverage those services you know it [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► can kind of ask the system for for the [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► accounts blah blah blah those have all [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► been removed and according to the iOS 11 [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► beta release notes quote social accounts [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► have been removed from settings in iOS [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► 11 third-party apps no longer have [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► access to those signed in accounts [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► what's that about [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► that's about adding one more thing to my [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► to-do list this summer because I use the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► Twitter one and now I have to stop using [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► it and write my own stupid Twitter login [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► and I'm not happy about that sorry so [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► Darren Cohen says that Facebook and [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Twitter get it rid of the API is that do [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that stuff and that's why Microsoft's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► also had to pull that support out of [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► windows I'm not sure if that's the case [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► but you know so fine [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► Facebook and Twitter got rid of them [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► what about Flickr and Vimeo like no one [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► is even developing they'll ask you know [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► it's all that some of might be [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► developing do you know anyway um it [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► seems more like it seems more like a [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► policy decision this is interesting [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► about the bay release notes by the way I [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► read them a couple times like they have [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► a known issue section and that but [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► sometimes they just talk about changes [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► and sometimes they phrase it so you [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► realize oh in this build such and such a [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► feature is like this but we don't mean [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► it to be that way it's just way it is in [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► this bill sometimes some things like [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► that under or under a known issues [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► header sometimes they're just in the [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► changes section and the reason I quoted [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► this is because I think this sentence [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► expresses pretty clearly that this is [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► not just something that's missing in [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► beta 1 but that marker really does have [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► to do work and they're just not leaving [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► them in there though they're officially [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► deprecated in the API they're gone like [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► that it's not yeah it's not like a [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► temporary beta 1 thing this is actually [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► they're gone so it does simplify things [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► because any time Apple has one of these [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► things where it's like certain blessed [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► third parties are given deeper hooks [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► into the operating system than other [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► ones it's kind of convenient but then [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► Apple has to eternally maintain an [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► awareness of the of the social service [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► zeitgeist they're like what's popular [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► now because they can't they can't just [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► keep the same set of things and support [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► them forever because three or four years [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► later then there's something new and and [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► some old one needs to go away but you [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► take the old one and go away then people [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► like Marco are sad because they use it [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► in their [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► but the the most a polite solution is [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► you know what you don't get any just get [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► yourself like because then you don't [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► have to worry I would have to keep up [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► with this anymore if they change their [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► api's they won't break our stop we don't [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► have to do deals with them every [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► developer can handle it for themselves [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► obviously the best solution would be [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► some way for some sort of extension [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► mechanism for the third-party services [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► themselves who are highly motivated to [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► have this type of integration to write [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► such an integration for iOS but that's [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► kind of long a lot and some third-party [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► keyboards and that something doesn't [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► seem like Apple would do but they could [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► do it someday well and also like the the [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► existing share extension framework [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► really does most of what you need for [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► that and and puts the power of creating [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► those things and maintain them and [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► designing them into the hands of the app [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► makers who run those services and have [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► their apps so it like you know it rather [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► than having Apple design the share to [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Twitter sheet for instance that is built [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► into the system and have the system [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► maintain a separate Twitter login [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► account that is separately set and [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► separately managed now that's all on [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► Twitter or whatever happens so now a [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► Twitter can just with their app have [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► your own login in their application [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► Twitter can design their own share [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► extension and have it do whatever they [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► want it to do and look however they want [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► to look and so it and then you know it [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► isn't now just Twitter but now when [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► something new comes along like if Manson [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► wants to have a share tension from micro [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► blog that will now get equal billing as [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► a share extension as things like Twitter [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► and that's great and again like like we [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► were saying like this the the system of [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► having Apple maintained this fairly [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► short list of like services that matter [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► that will have first-class integration [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► that's not scalable and I think we've [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► seen over time like you know so many new [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► networks have come up since then like [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► there was never a shared a snapchat [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that's crazy [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► snapchat is bigger than some of the [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► things that are noticed but it like it [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► didn't get to it the share to Twitter [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► that Apple made that that was there for [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► you know the last few iOS versions the [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► share to Twitter and iOS 10 broke on me [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► all the time like it would I would post [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► a tweet with it and it would just never [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► post and presumably like it was hitting [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► some weird API limit and was or it [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► wasn't counting characters correctly or [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► something and there was no interface [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► to report an error to me or to report [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that it failed or to retry alright and [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► looks like it's like the system Apple [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► had before just did not scale and so [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► it's nice to have now that we have a new [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► system of its share extensions that [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► we've actually had for like 3 iOS [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► version though now Apple can step back [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► and say alright you know what we tried [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► doing this ourselves it was ok but now [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► this is up to you guys and we're going [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► to step back from it and you can always [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► kind of tell like the the data sharing [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► relationship between Apple and Twitter [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► and Facebook you can always tell it was [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► little bit tense you know there's there [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► really very much at odds with their [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► business models and what they want to do [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► with the user and who owns the user and [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► who owns the users data and what kind of [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► integration they want and everything [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► else and so to have Apple just fully [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► step back from that and you just tell [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► everyone else like look you're now cut [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► off from any kind of privilege you can [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► do these things but so can everyone else [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► and everything that's part of the system [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► is off limits to you that I think is [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► better for everybody really yeah reminds [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► me of when Apple first added Facebook [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► integration to what was then OS 10 and [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► one of our views remember hearing about [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► how they sort of bent over backwards to [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► try to integrate Facebook with apples [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► contact databases without giving [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► Facebook all of your contact info but [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► having them sync and it was you know [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► tense is definitely the right word for [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► the only bit about not having these [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► things as part of system is I guess it's [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► probably good for the services but maybe [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► some users won't like it you have to [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► have the app for these things installed [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► now even if you're like oh I'm never [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► going to use Flickr on my phone I just [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► want to be able to post to it from my [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► phone well you gotta have the flow graph [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► installed because the extensions come [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► from the app so whatever just put it in [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► a folder somewhere and you will notice [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► it we were sponsored this week by mail [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► route stop spam today with a free 30-day [TS]

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00:24:04 ◼   ► know you should handle your email [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► security and delivery people who do only [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► that and that is mail around now this [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► applies to big companies or individuals [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► in it pretty much anybody who hosts an [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► email account on their own domain so [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► whether you use Google Apps for business [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► or whatever they call that this year or [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► you're using your own IMAP host [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► something like fast mail or whether you [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► run your own servers whether for [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► yourself or for your business if you're [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► on your own mail servers you direct the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► internet to send their mail to mail rat [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► through MX records in your DNS for your [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► domain and then mail route delivers to [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► your servers only the clean mail they do [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► all the spam filtering virus filtering [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► all that for you so you get only clean [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► mail and in my opinion I'm using it now [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► for over a year at least and it is Bar [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► None the best spam filter I have ever [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► seen and it's full of great features [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► whether you're a business or individual [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► there's the adeno date this is made for [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► enterprise so they have all sorts of [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► wonderful enterprise features that I [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► personally don't understand they have a [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► whole API to manage it including you [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► know all sorts of you know crazy admin [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► tools there's a nice interface if you [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► want to use that instead of the API it's [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► all designed to make your life better as [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► either an end user of email or as an [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► email administrator for a business and [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► it is so so good I cannot tell you [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► enough how good mail right is I hardly [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► ever get spam anymore it's glorious it's [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► it's really weird but I do get it that's [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► how rarely I get it because it's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► noteworthy when I do get it it is so so [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► great I cannot recommend mail route [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► enough and so again whether you're an [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► individual like me putting it in front [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► of an IMAP host or whether you're [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► running a bunch of servers for a [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► business you need mail route to filter [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► out all the spam and viruses before they [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► get to your servers you can save server [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► load you're more secure that way and [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► it's way better at filtering out spam [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► than anything else I've ever seen yes [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► Gmail people even Gmail it is so so good [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► at filtering out spam check out mail [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► route today and if you use our link mail [TS]

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00:26:08 ◼   ► you get 10% off that's pretty great [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► check it out today mail route net slash [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► ATP thank you very much - mail route for [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► sponsoring our show moving on in iOS 11 [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► according to Fraser Spears on the home [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► screen there are like four different [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► things you can do so a short tap means [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► open whatever app icon you just tapped [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► on a medium tap [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► apparently opens a popover menu a medium [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► hold what is a medium tap then anyway [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► as I one thing it took me a very long [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► time to figure out how to move multiple [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► apps at once on springboard what like [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► you can move an app around just with a [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► regular drag-and-drop but you can't do [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► multiple apps with that to do multiple [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► apps you have to put it into wiggle X [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► mode we're like the old way where you [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► long press on it and eventually it goes [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► into wiggle X mode then you can do the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► multi tap thing like it took my sudden [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► this obviously it took me so long to [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► figure out some of this stuff like it's [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► there there are now like more modes than [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► than ever before and it's very powerful [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► but there are so many modes and gestures [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► and alternate taps and everything it's [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► going to be a while before even power [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► users figure out what what all this [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► stuff is so to come back to Fraser [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► Spears source power user yes our short [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► tap is open the app the medium tap is [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► the popover menu medium hold is begin a [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► drag long hold is enter rearrange mode [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► all of those different things based on [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► you putting your meaty finger against [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► the screen on top of an icon for various [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► amounts of time with various medicine [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► movement I think for such is separate [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► because force touches brings up the [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► whatever the forced touch menu that the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► application implements this reminds me [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► of course of the home button which [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► started out as a button you press to go [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► back to springboard and ended up having [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► a Morse code set of things that you can [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► tap on to do all sorts of weird stuff I [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► mean at the point where there we talked [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► about it before the accessibility thing [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► where it slides down the screen wherever [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► that's called that was like two taps but [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► don't actually press the button that's [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► what we level they were getting at were [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► like they'd used up the one to tap and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► hold do this to that it's like okay now [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► now this is a tap but don't press the [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► button as the button doesn't move [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► anymore but like don't press it enough [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that it would move if it did move it's [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► very strange [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► continuing title with iOS 11 a new [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► feature of iOS 11 which was mentioned I [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► thought somewhere maybe during the [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► keynote but I might be wrong about that [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► but I saw this somewhere last week you [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► can now share your Wi-Fi passwords so [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► this there's an article 95 Mac will put [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the show notes if a friend comes over [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► with an iPhone running iOS 11 you can [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► automatically log [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► into your Wi-Fi in one tap and this [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► looks very similar to kind of the the [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► air pods charge status when you flick [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► open the air pod case I don't obviously [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► think that's how its activated but they [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► have a screen shot in here on the 95 Mac [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► article and what a cool idea I dig it [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► my question is do they get to see your [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► password like is this just a convenience [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► feature of not having to read something [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► off to somebody and they type it in and [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► get capital that is wrong or is this a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► security feature where you can let [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► someone log on to your thing but they [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► can't see your password I'm inclined to [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► think it's just a convenience feature [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► because once the password is on their [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► phone surely they can get it off if they [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► wanted it it wasn't presumably I mean [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► because they have to know like they have [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► to have the password in their device a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► possession for it to be on the Wi-Fi so [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► I'm guessing like it probably isn't [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► shown to them it's probably just putting [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► keychain but there are ways to access [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► things in keychain like if you sync if [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► it's synced with iCloud keychain and it [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► syncs to a Mac then you can go to [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► keychain access and you can get the [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► password right there so what are the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► secure Enclave possibly get all right [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► right so yeah I'm guessing that you know [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► they end up having a way to get to the [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► password if they want to and this is [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► this is more for quick convenience and [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► like casual security than it is about [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► real security because real security is a [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► go in them on your network then they're [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► on your network that's it exactly [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► everyone's Wi-Fi passwords are like the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► kids names anyway so come on yeah I no [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► one ever changes their Wi-Fi passwords [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► because now they have like sixteen [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► different things on it and people have [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► years and their Wi-Fi passwords and it's [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► like 1999 oh yeah mine's 2008 if I'm not [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► mistaken [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► yeah Wi-Fi really needs like a like a [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► token system like like oh where you can [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► just like issue devices tokens then like [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► you can change the password for new [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► devices really so before everyone writes [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► in I know there are flavors of Wi-Fi [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► security that allow that sort of thing [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► but it isn't generally speaking it is [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► not the sort of thing you will ever find [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► somebody's house is that like they'll do [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► there is the possible yeah yeah and [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► there I've seen installations in the [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► home that will do this sort of thing I [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► understand that's a thing it doesn't [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► really matter the details like a friend [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► of mine had some set up with like a [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► Raspberry Pi or some such where you [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► would push a little button on some [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► device it would actually like print out [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► a temporary Wi-Fi password for you just [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► because this is the sort of thing you [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► did [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► for living so you had like crazy [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► enterprise hardware in his house and it [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► was actually very cool but but yeah for [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► any normal person you're absolutely [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► right Marco like this would be kind of [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► cool if it was usable and I consider [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► myself a normal person in this context [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► because I'm not like a super network [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► administrator so yeah so for me to like [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► issue a temporary password would be [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► pretty neat but that's not the sort of [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► thing you find in normal like wpa2 or [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► whatever it is households all right [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► moving on a friend of the show Steven [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► Smith he pointed out that drag-and-drop [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► upload of files to Mobile Safari works [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► now and I actually saw I don't think I'm [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► going to have it handy and I'm not gonna [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► be able to dig it up but I think it was [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► trendy Caldwell had a tweet about this [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► you can take several files from say like [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the files app for example and you can [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► drag them into mobile safari much like [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► you would do in regular desktop safari [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► and it will actually upload all of those [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► files which is super cool [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► it's another thing Marko's ipad can do [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that my Mac can also do finally file [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► uploads the final frontier for iOS web [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► violence my word I put this in here is [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► because not to get like dragon drop [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► forks ever but because until I read this [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► it wouldn't have even occurred to me to [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► try that on iOS because I've been so [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► conditioned but from so many years yeah [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► you're gonna do like a file upload you [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► got to go to a Mac for that right and [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► even though we all know drag and drop is [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► there I wouldn't like you have to change [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► your mindset now with these drag and [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► drop features to think to try something [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► instead of just like walling it off in [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► your mind is like oh you can only do [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► that in the desktop not true anymore [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► with iOS 11 this is I think going to be [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► like one of the I mean this is always [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► the case like with new platforms but [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► like this is one of the reasons why I [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► think young people have a way better [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► chance of working on these platforms [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► than we do because like it is so easy as [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► someone who's been who's been around [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► since the early days of iOS like us you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► know it's so easy to forget all the new [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► things that you can do that you used to [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► not be able to do and we just don't even [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► think to try those things because we [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► like quote know it you know [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► subconsciously we just know that's [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► that's nothing you can do here and like [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► you need somebody younger than you like [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► fatigued she to come around and be like [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► no look you can do all this crap you [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► guys are done and he's not that mean of [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► course he's super nice but you know he's [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► young at heart [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► heeey yeah like you need somebody who's [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► like more fresh to the platform or more [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► willing to experiment or more [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► open-minded than us old farts to to [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► actually like push the boundaries of [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► using the thing and actually use up as [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► all these new features that we might see [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► in a keynote for five seconds and [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► immediately forget about the flip side [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► of that by the way is whenever the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► youngsters see me and old fart use my [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► Mac they never know all the things that [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► I'm dragging around and like the fact [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► that you you know proxy icons and title [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► bars like totally undiscoverable stuff [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► if you haven't been using the Mac [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► forever or like which applications you [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► have to hold long and then start to drag [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► or start drag immediately versus holding [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► to drag large pieces of text to copy it [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► inside terminal without blowing away [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► your buffer or you know before you even [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► get into multiple clipboards and all [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► those stuff there's lots of things that [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► old platforms can do the young people [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► don't learn as well because they didn't [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► go through all the you know they didn't [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► start out with a simple system and see [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► new features get added they just use the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► system they use enough of the system to [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► get their job done and it didn't have [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► this history of learning all these other [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► obscure features so there's there's [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► secrets of lying and Mac OS as well [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► especially if you're an old next user [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► this stuff from next still lurking in [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► there and there's stuff from the old Mac [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► still working on there so we have [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► something to teach the youth right [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► before we die Wow on our slow Mac Pro's [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► man you are really Jill in this homely [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► Savage well I mean to be fair to be fair [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► to John's very slow old Mac Pro it is [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► really impress is kind of an argument [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► for the Mac Pro that first of all that [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► he's still using it almost ten years [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► later and it's mostly fine a second of [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► all its argument for upgrade ability [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► because upgrades like an SSD and a new [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► GPU have made this possible and third of [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► all it really shows quite the difference [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► when you buy a Mac Pro like the mat like [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► the iOS hardware surpassed five-year old [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► Macs you know long ago but it took it [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► took until now for it to surpass this [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► ten-year old Mac in multi-core [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► performance is when you have eight cores [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► it takes a long time for things to catch [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► up to that and like one of the reasons [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► why I love the Mac Pro so much is you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► get so much Headroom like you literally [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► you know you're [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► the core performance is always limited [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► by whatever the technology of the era is [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► for single core design but they cram so [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► many cores in there that for parallel [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► workloads which is what a lot of pros do [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► you can basically buy yourself 10 years [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► from now levels of performance today and [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► so the Mac Pro like it's it's it's [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► useful to a lot of types of people for [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► way longer than any other computer is so [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that I it's it that just shows like why [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► having these high core count [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► workstations is still valuable because [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► you're literally buying yourself like a [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► place 10 years from now performance just [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► wait for the iMac Pro with its 18 cores [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► that'll give you another good head start [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► on the phones okay so we made a [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► reference to it earlier but there were a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► couple of things that were I mean the [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► whole show was interesting but a couple [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► of interesting tidbits that came out of [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► the talk show live from last week so [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► this was as per tradition it was John [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► Gruber and then as of the last couple of [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► years it's been Phil Schiller and Craig [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► federighi and as usual was a great show [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► I like that John doesn't just throw up [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► the softball questions and I can't think [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► of Tom my head of what the hard balls [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► were but he always asked at least a few [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► hard balls which I liked and at one [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► point at the end chiller actually said [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► to him hey man in so many words you know [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► hey man you always say a couple weeks [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► later man I wish I asked Schiller this [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► so what do you got and I think it took [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► Gruber by surprise which was kind of [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► funny and and I forget exactly what he [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► came up with but in summary it was a [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► really great show if you haven't [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► listened to it and/or watched it because [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► there's a video available you really [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► really should and John and I had the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► pleasure of being seated front row and [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► watching it Marco had the pleasure of [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► sitting in a 90-degree a sound booth in [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► watching slash listening to it but but [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► there were some interesting things that [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► came from it one of them was the trial a [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► PFS migrations we mentioned earlier but [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► the other thing that all of us I think [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► picked up on were also amazed by was the [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► photo data that is synced in between [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► devices which was mentioned in the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► keynote or maybe not the keynote with [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► the State of the Union if not that isn't [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► what we thought it was so the way [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► I understood what was said in whatever [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► keynoter State of the Union was that hey [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► all of the metadata that we generate [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► during the photo crawl process on any of [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► our devices all of that is getting [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► synced v iCloud to all your other [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► devices we were all very very very [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► excited about this turns out that that [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► is not the case and what's actually [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► happening is only the stuff that that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► Apple has complete certainty in and I'm [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► slightly paraphrasing Craig here only [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► the stuff that Apple is complete [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► certainty in is what's inked which in [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► turn means only the stuff that a user [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► has actively said yes or no to so in the [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► case of photos what that means is if [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► there is a photo that has the three of [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► us in it and I as a user say that one is [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► Marco and that one is John that photo in [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► the information about it that I've [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► provided will be synced to B iCloud to [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► the other devices but anything else any [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► of the generated like metadata and all [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► that that isn't synced at all which [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► probably isn't a bad thing but I [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► wouldn't necessarily it's a good say [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► it's a good thing either and I presume [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► that this is because of privacy concerns [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► but it was I feel like it was a little [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► bit of a bait-and-switch or maybe I just [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► misunderstood what was said Nikki no but [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► it felt like a bait-and-switch [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► compared to earlier that week when we [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► had heard oh yeah we're syncing things [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► between devices it's great yeah I get I [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► understand why they're doing it this way [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► but I think it's the wrong choice so [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► like you know basically you know that [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► there are there were a few problems with [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► the way it was before you know problem [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► number one was that your if you actually [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► took the time to enter things like like [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► faces data that wasn't syncing multiple [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► devices so it kind of it was very [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► frustrating it's it's like a form of [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► data loss like you input that on one [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► device but then like you go to some [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► other device and it's not there or it's [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► different so that's no good so that's [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the part they're sinking problem number [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► two is that every time you do an OS [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► restore or get a new phone or replace a [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► phone from service or a new Mac or any [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► of any any new devices with with photos [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► on them your device would basically run [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► really hot and have terrible battery [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► life if it if it misbehaved and CPU to [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► be maxed out for hours or days after you [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► got it as photo analysis do [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► he went through your entire photo [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► library and tried to recognize objects [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► in the photos so you could search for [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► them that one they didn't fix that one [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► is still being done on all the different [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► devices individually and it sounds like [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► the reason why is because that's [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► something that they're kind of guessing [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► on each device they're like they're [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► using you know machine learning to try [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► to figure these things out and that's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► fine but it seems like the reason why [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► they don't want to sync that is so that [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► a newer device that maybe has a newer OS [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► that can be smarter about what it [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► recognizes you can get smarter results [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► on that and that way you don't have like [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► bad results synced forever from old [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► photos but that creates the experience [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► not only of having your devices be [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► really hot for the first couple days you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► have them and your CPU core if you maxed [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► out for a long time but that also makes [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► so that you get different search results [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► on different devices for like the same [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► query and that's not really great either [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► so I'm not really sure what what led [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► them to make this decision there's [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► probably more information here that we [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► don't have I'm sure there were good [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► reasons but from where I sit from the [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► from the subset of the real information [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► that I have I still think it's the wrong [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► choice yeah it's not just an object [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► recognition to the faces thing is the [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► thing that bothers me the most because I [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► think most people don't spend that much [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► time confirming faces because it's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► annoying to do you confirm some or [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► whatever the width system is supposed to [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► work especially on a single you know [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► device scenario is you confirm bunch of [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► pages to say yes no no yes maybe make [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► some Corrections and based on your [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► confirmations the system then guesses [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► all the other pictures that have this [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► person's face in them and that type of [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► feature I've always wanted this facial [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► recognition feature to replace my manual [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► tagging system or if I want to find all [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► pictures of my wife I don't want to have [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► to manually tag every single picture [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► that she's in I just want to tell the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► system this is her this is our this is [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► our this er I'll do that a hundred times [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► like I am sure I've spent way more time [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► in that photo [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► Confirmation thing then most people have [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► right and then based on that data set [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► find all the other ones and the end of [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► my interface to this is I want you know [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► somewhere in the sidebar like a smart [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► folder or whatever to say you know [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► pictures of my wife right and as far as [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► I'm concerned the set of pictures of my [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► wife is not a thing like finding like [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► telephone or plastic or like you know [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► garbage can in a picture that new [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► versions and different machine learning [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► AI algorithms can you know do better and [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► future things it should be the same like [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► I want it to be at the same as if I had [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► manually tagged it right and and I want [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the same experience on every device [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► right and if it is better in some future [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► device because it's like well we are [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► technically guessing and this one is [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► able to guess better if it is better [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► another device they just need to like [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► version that stuff or or you know that [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► so that when as soon as they get the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► better version sync the better version [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► ever at bottom line if I have that Smart [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► Folder wherever this is pictures of my [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► wife I don't want to see wildly [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► different counts on them and they will [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► be pretty different because depending on [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► how much time you spent adding the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► people's faces or how many other people [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► you have look similar or whatever I [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► don't want it to to Regas at different [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► times and see like oh why do I have a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► different number of pictures of my wife [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► nice two devices you don't it's just [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► that one has a different notion of how [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► many pictures of your wife there are [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► because there even though they're both [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► working from the same small data set of [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► manual selected pictures is too much [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► variability blah blah I know it's better [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► than it was but I still think this room [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► to grow it's always funny to me that uh [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► that Craig seems not like obviously [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► uncomfortable but not totally in love [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► with being on stage and I think we [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► talked about this last year too until it [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► a technical thing comes up and suddenly [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► everything changes and he's like super [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► confident [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► awesome engineer guy it to the point [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► that like his depth of knowledge in [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► things that that are reasonably I don't [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► know esoteric is the right word but like [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► he'll happily go deep on damn near [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► anything on the drop of a hat and I [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► don't know how the man can keep that [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► much stuff in his head it's just [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► stunning to me because especially my [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► stereotypical view of managers is that [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► they're so far outside of the weeds [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► there their gills they're sitting on [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► their fancy Thrones looking down at [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► their kingdom of minions and saying Oh [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► minions take care of things not having [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► any idea what the weeds are and what's [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► in the weeds etc but but he can go all [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the way down like on anything it's just [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► stunning and I mana I love listening to [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► him talk that guy's well and Phil is [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► great as well don't get me wrong but but [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► man Craig is a a nerds nerd I dig it [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► agreed I didn't listen to the recording [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you know because I saw a live but in the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► live thing there was one heckler who [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► shouted out to her one clan Joe when is [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► Siri going to get better I don't know if [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► they cut that out of the final recording [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► but that did happen no it's it's there [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► but they you know they didn't address it [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► because it was like they were basically [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► like John was like in the middle of [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► asking a question so they just kept [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► moving like cuz it was it was not like [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► at a at a pull at a point where it even [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► makes sense to address it yeah so [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► there's two ways you can go on this one [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► is that from a hosting perspective it's [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► a good idea not to encourage hecklers by [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► by addressing them right so John [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► ignoring the heckler is the way of [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► saying don't heckle but in my show it's [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► my show I'm going to pretend you don't [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► exist on the other hand when is Siri get [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► better so okay that that is a line of [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► questioning that could have been brought [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► up in the context of home pod or [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► whatever and I think well but but again [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► like when you have limited time on stage [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► with Apple executives to ask questions [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► there you have to have some degree of [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► just predicting like you know what's a [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► good question here like what's actually [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► a good use of time and a question we're [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► just going to give like a pretty canned [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► PR like answer is not a good use of time [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► because like what do you like what are [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► they gonna say on stage [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► what like do you honestly think like [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► Phil Schiller is going to be on stage [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► and be like yeah you know what you're [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► right Syria isn't very good we're [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► working on it like no like of course not [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► like it's going to be an answer of you [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► know even if you ask that question [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► directly to them it's going to be a [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► relatively you know information less [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► answer of like well it's it's here's all [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► the ways it's already world-leading and [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► it's always getting better you know it's [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it's it's a PR question that's going to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► get a PR answer it's like all the [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► stupid analyst questions on the on the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► earnings calls when you go make a TV [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► it's like you know that kind of stuff [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► that's not it's a useful question [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► because you know they're not really [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► going to give you an answer that you [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► want so you might as well not even waste [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► time on it and ask a better question so [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► I think you can ask this question in a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► way they will get a non PR vague answer [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► because Apple itself open the door to [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► this line of questioning with their home [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► pod announcement I said this in the last [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► show too but to reiterate and further [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► emphasize Apple's pitch for home pod was [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► look at these two competitors Sonos and [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the Amazon echo so know it sounds good [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► but it's dumb Amazon echo sounds like [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► crap but is smart home pod sounds great [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► and is smart typical great Apple sales [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► pitch for the thing right but the own [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► that so here's Apple opening the door [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► but the only thing Apple demonstrated or [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► in any way described both in the the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► live room where the press could hear it [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and in the slides they talked about it [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► well we know how home pod sounds good [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► because a whole bunch of people heard it [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► and they said hey this thing sounds good [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► it sounds you know as good or better [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► than the Sonos which was the thing app I [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► held up a sounding good but the pitch of [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► home pod is unlike those two other [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► devices this one sounds good and is [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► smart right Apple itself is saying we're [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► making a device that combines the best [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► of these two things so the is smart part [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► is your entree to say okay Apple you [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► have presented us with home pod telling [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► us it is going to be as smart as echo [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► and sound as good as Sonos do you think [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► Siri is currently a smart as echo or [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► will it be getting better for home pod [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► because it's not you know it's not a [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► gotcha question like they haven't is the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► product isn't done yet like they did [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► list a bunch of stuff that it's going to [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► do on the slide here's all the things [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► that home pod is going to do that are [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► smart right so they put them up there [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► but I think it's open question at this [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► point okay like it gives them an [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► opportunity to brag about the product [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► they just announced they should say the [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► good answer is this is going to you know [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► home PI is going to be great it's going [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► to be just as smart as Amazon echo it's [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► going to do all these things so and so [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► forth that's the answer to when is Siri [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► going to get better it's going to say [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► okay when home pod comes out Siri will [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► be much better than it is now and they [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► can explain all the reasons why or the [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► progress they've made on Syria I feel [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► like it is an opening for Apple to bro [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► about the product they just announced [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► but in in the stuff that they put out in [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► the keynote and in every part of WWDC [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► the only thing they demonstrated or [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► pressed on at all was that it sounds [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► good and the smarts they're like it'll [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► be smart stresses we'll see which is [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► fine like but now that's what I'm [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► waiting for [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► is your kind of work if this thing is [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► just a Sonos you know if it's just a [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► Sonos with like existing Siri built-in I [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► mean I guess it's still smarter than [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► Sonos you know but is it as smart as [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► that go you know we'll see so I think [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► this is this is the competitive question [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► for the home pod Apple's pitch is clear [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► we have to see if they can deliver yeah [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that's the thing like they really they [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► showed us the home pod and they showed [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► us why we should care about it and why [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► it's cool but they didn't they didn't [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► convince us like they didn't really like [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► all they said was basically like it [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► sounds great trust us and that's cool I [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► mean the press hard press harder and [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► they said it does sound good yep and [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► that's great but but again but you know [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► what you're saying is like that doesn't [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► actually put it above where show nose is [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► now all we have is a vague promise that [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► it has Siri and it is smart but they [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► didn't actually show that and I think [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► you're right I think it's mostly because [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► it's pretty clear that it's pretty far [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► from being done not done yet so like [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► they're hiding it if they could have [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► demoed it they would have yeah I would [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► honestly the the fact that it appears to [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► be in such an early state now if they [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► couldn't even demo a single Siri command [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► but they say it's going to be shipping [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► in December that actually sounds really [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► aggressive to me I would be impressed if [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► they hit that because it sure looks like [TS]

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00:52:06 ◼   ► up on and I it was not me a quote you'll [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► be hearing a lot more about TV OS later [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► this year and apparently it's a just shy [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► nine minutes through the keynote [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► interesting well first of all isn't hard [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► to hear less about TV OS yeah it's a lot [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► more though is it a lot we heard [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► something about TV OS they're like look [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► dark mode can turn on automatically at [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► night [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► that's something so it's nonzero and [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► we're gonna be hearing a lot more about [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► it later yeah I mean I guess that that [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► means is gonna be like hardware and [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► stuff like I'm sure that you know it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► would be nice to see 4k it would nice to [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► see a redesign remote they're probably [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► gonna tell or redesign remote oh you [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► wanted to keep the current one I'm just [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► like I wasn't even daring to think that [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► I was just picturing the puck I'm like [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► oh it'll finally be a puck that supports [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► 4k and HEV C and they'll be 4k content [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► on the iTunes Store I didn't dare to [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► even dream that they would fix that damn [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► remote but I suppose they could I [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► suspect the Apple TV remote is going to [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► be looked upon in retrospect the same [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► way the hockey puck Mouse is as like the [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► worst design offence of the decade by [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Apple I really don't think it's that bad [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► I will not say it's flawless by any [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► stretch but it doesn't problem II near [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► as much as it bothers pretty much [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► everyone else in the world [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► so I will never do the dented version [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the puck they they tried to like fix it [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► they're like Oh puck the fuck is a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► problem so they put a little dent in [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► like the button so you could feel for [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► which side of is the top they should do [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that with the whole TV remote [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► just put a dent and I guess you can't do [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► it on a trackpad so I'd put a dent in [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the bottom side or something's you can [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► feel for I mean yeah it's it's not great [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► I'm not trying to say that it's grated [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► flawless or anything like that but I [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► just I really don't think it's that bad [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► it works okay for me okay it is that I [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► look better than the Apple TV remote [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► your computer was like turning itself [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► off randomly and you're like this is [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► fine like this you might you might need [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► to raise your expectations a bit of what [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► technology should be especially for my [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► evil you know like right this says [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► whatever would be happy oh the thing I [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► still use the Apple TV every day it is [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► our primary TV device like the only [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► things we ever use our TV for are the [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► Apple TV and the switch and and so it's [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► I use it all the time because why I'm so [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► critical of it like one thing I would [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► love to see in TV OS and this is thing [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► like they say like you know be hearing [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► more about TV iOS later this year [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► actually all I want is hardware stuff [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► like hardware changes I basically want a [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► new remote 4k would be nice I don't have [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► a 4k TV yet but it's probably going to [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► happen with the next couple years so [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► that would be nice and TV OS and maybe [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► it's the hardware maybe it's a software [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► I don't know it's just really slow I [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► don't know why this is current hardware [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► that isn't that old it's so slow I think [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► the remote makes it feel slow it like [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► because it's a clumsy if you don't like [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► so by the way we always complain about [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the remote and I just want to [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► re-emphasize this again Apple TV has an [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► ability to learn remotes and if you are [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► a lifetime TiVo customer like me you [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► have extra TiVo remotes hanging around [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► you can use an old TiVo remote with the [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► Apple TV and makes it way better but um [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► it doesn't have touchpad obviously but [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► it has a five-way pad and I think [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► clumsily swiping on that touchpad to [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► move the focus feel slower than tap [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► tapping on a digital you know right left [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► up down Center d-pad so I attribute some [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► of the slowest in that there's more with [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► like hey I hit the little home button [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► how long does it take for me to get [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► out of this app and go back to the [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► whatever screen that also feels slow but [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► I tribute a lot of it to the remote well [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► and some of it's clearly software some [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► of it is like you know you'd like you [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► you wake up the remote when you're [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► sitting down and a few seconds later [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► eventually you see the home screen okay [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► swipe over to the thing you want oh [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► nothing happened [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► swipe swipe wait wait what's going on [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► button button button swipe swipe swipe [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► come on push everything what's going on [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► wait wait wait [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► and then BOOM everything happens all was [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► queued up all that time is it come on [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► like what year is this like it this is [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► this device doesn't do that much like [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► what what what is it doing [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► is it conserving power all that time [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► they're not using it why it's part of [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► the wall like what is it doing I have no [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► idea what it's doing yeah [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the sleep thing is the sleep thing is [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► brutal like I mean there's no fans there [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► just leave it on all the time I'll take [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► the energy cost if it means that I don't [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► have to wait for you know the internal [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► seven seconds that it takes to be ready [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► to respond to my commands but that's the [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► things about why it like in 2017 for the [TS]