The Accidental Tech Podcast

227: Typing on Pillows


00:00:00   hi this is me and I'm talking to you [TS]

00:00:02   things are happening John sounds good [TS]

00:00:04   Marco the fact that you're asking me if [TS]

00:00:06   I'm still here is alarming but I'm just [TS]

00:00:08   going to keep talking until somebody [TS]

00:00:09   starts to interrupt me and talks over me [TS]

00:00:11   which is pretty much the story of this [TS]

00:00:13   entire show a serenity Caldwell friend [TS]

00:00:17   of the show has some iPad size [TS]

00:00:19   comparisons and so we'll put a few links [TS]

00:00:21   in the show notes I briefly earlier [TS]

00:00:24   tonight handled my friend Steve's iPad [TS]

00:00:27   and was playing with his 10.5 and it [TS]

00:00:32   again seems nice it doesn't really seem [TS]

00:00:34   any different in size in the hand than [TS]

00:00:36   the iPad I used to own the full size [TS]

00:00:39   iPad but Sorrenti has some thoughts and [TS]

00:00:42   some comparisons and things so I don't [TS]

00:00:44   know John you want to take us through [TS]

00:00:45   this I like the the diagram she [TS]

00:00:48   originally tweeted them one Dyess [TS]

00:00:49   presumably when she was writing the [TS]

00:00:50   article but those little like yellow [TS]

00:00:52   rectangle diagrams take a look at the [TS]

00:00:54   one that shows the iPad body size [TS]

00:00:56   comparison you got like the Mini is a [TS]

00:00:59   little thing up in the corner and then [TS]

00:01:01   the twelve point nine inch iPad pro is [TS]

00:01:02   the big thing the difference between the [TS]

00:01:04   nine point seven and that ten point five [TS]

00:01:06   is so tiny proportionally that's why [TS]

00:01:10   they feel almost the same because they [TS]

00:01:11   really almost are the same and if you [TS]

00:01:13   look at the screen difference between [TS]

00:01:14   nine point seven ten point five it's a [TS]

00:01:16   little more uniform where it's not like [TS]

00:01:18   a you know it's it's more substantial [TS]

00:01:20   looking so this is a great [TS]

00:01:22   representation of how they've managed to [TS]

00:01:25   put a bigger screen on an iPad that's [TS]

00:01:27   not that much bigger and why it doesn't [TS]

00:01:28   feel monstrous why it just feels like [TS]

00:01:30   you know if you give to a regular person [TS]

00:01:32   and they do aren't intimately familiar [TS]

00:01:33   with a nine point seven they might not [TS]

00:01:34   even notice the physical size of the [TS]

00:01:36   thing is bigger so I think that's a big [TS]

00:01:39   selling point of this device and if you [TS]

00:01:40   had any doubts take a look at these [TS]

00:01:42   diagrams they're pretty convincing [TS]

00:01:45   speaking of serenity Caldwell she also [TS]

00:01:47   has some information about typing to [TS]

00:01:49   Siri in iOS 11 so in iOS 11 when it [TS]

00:01:53   comes down the fall users will be able [TS]

00:01:55   to turn on type to Siri in their [TS]

00:01:57   accessibility settings which will let [TS]

00:01:58   you write your commands to Siri rather [TS]

00:02:00   than shouting them into space which we [TS]

00:02:02   had known about but you know she has a [TS]

00:02:04   little bit more detail and I don't I [TS]

00:02:06   can't decide if this is going to be [TS]

00:02:08   awesome [TS]

00:02:09   or kind of redundant in useless it's [TS]

00:02:13   nice to have that [TS]

00:02:13   because sometimes either don't want to [TS]

00:02:16   speak out loud but you want to use the [TS]

00:02:17   functionality provided by Siri you know [TS]

00:02:20   even if it's just I don't know if this [TS]

00:02:22   is the case but imagine for example that [TS]

00:02:24   you routinely asked to set a timer or [TS]

00:02:28   reminder and a spoken way but you're not [TS]

00:02:30   you know you don't want to go through [TS]

00:02:32   the hassle of like launching the [TS]

00:02:34   reminders app and then typing that same [TS]

00:02:35   English sentence into the interval [TS]

00:02:38   reminder new reminder field what you can [TS]

00:02:40   do you can say like you know pick up [TS]

00:02:42   laundry at 4:00 p.m. tomorrow and the [TS]

00:02:45   reminder will like set itself to 4:00 [TS]

00:02:47   p.m. tomorrow in the name of the thing [TS]

00:02:48   will they pick up laundry but if you [TS]

00:02:50   spend most of your time interacting with [TS]

00:02:52   Siri you may not know sort of the syntax [TS]

00:02:54   that is understandable by reminders and [TS]

00:02:56   I don't think it's exactly the same [TS]

00:02:58   syntax that Siri understands so it's [TS]

00:03:00   nice to be able to essentially type into [TS]

00:03:03   sort of a wone one-stop shop for all the [TS]

00:03:06   things that you can make your phone do [TS]

00:03:08   in a vaguely unattended way and not have [TS]

00:03:10   to say oh I'm in a place where I can't [TS]

00:03:12   speak out loud so rather than me trying [TS]

00:03:13   to whisper to Siri let me just type with [TS]

00:03:15   my thumbs the thing I know will work [TS]

00:03:17   with Siri in a nice quiet way because [TS]

00:03:19   like all sane people you have key clicks [TS]

00:03:21   turned off but I don't know how people [TS]

00:03:24   have key clicks on Ryan Jones made in an [TS]

00:03:27   interesting observation via Twitter he [TS]

00:03:29   said this is with regard to iOS 11 on [TS]

00:03:33   the iPhone you can lock an iPhone I [TS]

00:03:36   still haven't had a chance to play with [TS]

00:03:37   this I want to see this but anyway he [TS]

00:03:38   said you can lock an iPhone by pulling [TS]

00:03:40   down from the top and additionally [TS]

00:03:43   there's a software shutdown button in [TS]

00:03:46   settings this is still quoting Ryan very [TS]

00:03:48   fishy the power button may not be long [TS]

00:03:51   for this world [TS]

00:03:52   so Ryan's point is if you can lock your [TS]

00:03:55   phone rather than with the button on the [TS]

00:03:57   right hand side on most phones these [TS]

00:03:59   days but rather by just swiping down [TS]

00:04:02   from the top and if there's a software [TS]

00:04:05   shutdown button then what is the purpose [TS]

00:04:09   of that right-hand button anymore [TS]

00:04:10   obviously to turn it on but there's no [TS]

00:04:13   reason you couldn't use one of the other [TS]

00:04:14   buttons to do that so does that mean the [TS]

00:04:16   power button is going away in the future [TS]

00:04:18   and if so what are we going to do about [TS]

00:04:19   screenshots man I want my screenshots so [TS]

00:04:21   I have an alternative theory on this one [TS]

00:04:23   I'm thinking that you know that first of [TS]

00:04:26   all I really hope they don't get rid of [TS]

00:04:27   this [TS]

00:04:27   like button you know it it serves a very [TS]

00:04:30   useful purpose and while they might be [TS]

00:04:32   able to come out with software [TS]

00:04:33   workarounds I I like having that [TS]

00:04:38   physical button there to control that [TS]

00:04:39   very very useful function of sleeping [TS]

00:04:41   and waking the phone and if they get rid [TS]

00:04:45   of it I assume they'll have some kind of [TS]

00:04:46   like other way to sleep it or automatic [TS]

00:04:49   I don't know anyway [TS]

00:04:51   you know there's also like different [TS]

00:04:52   recovery things that this enables but [TS]

00:04:54   the biggest thing that I think this [TS]

00:04:55   might not be a big deal is maybe that [TS]

00:04:59   button is that is being added to [TS]

00:05:00   settings not because they're getting rid [TS]

00:05:02   of the power button but because they've [TS]

00:05:04   learned that a lot of people don't know [TS]

00:05:05   how to turn their phones off like the [TS]

00:05:07   way you turn your front of us to hold [TS]

00:05:08   this button down for a while how many [TS]

00:05:10   people know that I bet a lot of people [TS]

00:05:13   actually don't I wish fewer people know [TS]

00:05:15   knew it I'm having just taken a couple [TS]

00:05:19   plane flights and seeing people on a [TS]

00:05:21   plane both seated next to me and other [TS]

00:05:22   seats because you know see them walking [TS]

00:05:24   up down the aisle so to the bathroom or [TS]

00:05:26   peeking through the edge of the seats [TS]

00:05:28   when I see people who own iOS devices [TS]

00:05:30   who turn them off like off off shut down [TS]

00:05:35   completely when they're done using them [TS]

00:05:36   and then boot them back up when they [TS]

00:05:39   want to use them again multiple times [TS]

00:05:40   during the flight I want to pull just [TS]

00:05:44   just don't just don't do it just hit [TS]

00:05:46   like hit the power button or whatever [TS]

00:05:48   just put it back in your bag and when [TS]

00:05:50   you take it out later just hit any kind [TS]

00:05:51   of button on and it will come back on [TS]

00:05:53   instantly pick up where you left off and [TS]

00:05:54   it will be fine but people want some [TS]

00:05:57   people want to turn them off and you [TS]

00:05:59   know how long they take the boot it's [TS]

00:06:00   not a fast boot process it's that I [TS]

00:06:02   don't know maddening so I don't think [TS]

00:06:06   the I think you're right Marco the most [TS]

00:06:08   people don't know how to turn off their [TS]

00:06:09   phone I don't think people should you [TS]

00:06:11   know how to turn it like it's not it's [TS]

00:06:12   not a thing that they should be doing [TS]

00:06:13   routinely obviously if there's some kind [TS]

00:06:15   of troubleshooting you need to reboot it [TS]

00:06:16   or whatever look it up online or you [TS]

00:06:19   know you can figure it out or ask [TS]

00:06:21   somebody or worst case go to the Apple [TS]

00:06:23   store and they will show you but it [TS]

00:06:24   should not be routine part of [TS]

00:06:25   everybody's day so I don't want a way [TS]

00:06:28   for people to better know how to shut [TS]

00:06:31   down their phone that's not that that's [TS]

00:06:33   not a good idea right and additionally [TS]

00:06:36   Ryan noted that in iOS 11 there's a [TS]

00:06:39   setting to quote [TS]

00:06:40   offload endquote unused apps so there's [TS]

00:06:45   a screenshot offload unused apps and [TS]

00:06:47   then there's a on/off switch this will [TS]

00:06:49   automatically remove on use apps but [TS]

00:06:51   keep its documents and data reinstalling [TS]

00:06:53   the Apple place back that's an odd [TS]

00:06:55   phrasing reinstalling the Apple place [TS]

00:06:56   back your data if the app is still [TS]

00:06:59   available in the App Store which is very [TS]

00:07:02   interesting because a lot of us I'm sure [TS]

00:07:04   I'm included in that as well have a [TS]

00:07:06   whole bunch of ancient apps on our [TS]

00:07:08   phones that we think will need one day [TS]

00:07:10   but probably never will so in settings [TS]

00:07:13   and iTunes and App Store's in iOS 11 in [TS]

00:07:16   the beta there's offload unused apps [TS]

00:07:18   which is kind of cool and kind of [TS]

00:07:20   interesting there this is an interesting [TS]

00:07:22   problem that I think maybe Apple's [TS]

00:07:24   trying to solve like Gruber's been [TS]

00:07:25   blogging a little bit about this [TS]

00:07:26   recently about how like the size of apps [TS]

00:07:29   just the sheer size of apps is just [TS]

00:07:32   tremendous in the last couple of years [TS]

00:07:34   so many very common popular apps are [TS]

00:07:37   like well over a hundred Meg's and [TS]

00:07:40   that's and you know it's full of like [TS]

00:07:42   bloat from frameworks and various assets [TS]

00:07:45   and everything and Apple has tried to do [TS]

00:07:47   various things to reduce this you know [TS]

00:07:50   the the app thinning group of [TS]

00:07:52   initiatives and and various technologies [TS]

00:07:54   and things like that but ultimately if [TS]

00:07:57   you think about like how much collective [TS]

00:07:59   bandwidth and battery power are being [TS]

00:08:03   used by the App Store diligently auto [TS]

00:08:05   updating apps that people are not [TS]

00:08:08   actually using ever on their phones like [TS]

00:08:10   that it there's you can definitely a [TS]

00:08:12   good argument for why not only should [TS]

00:08:15   this feature exist but it might even [TS]

00:08:17   maybe it should even be defaulted to on [TS]

00:08:20   because there's just a tremendous amount [TS]

00:08:23   of data and battery being wasted to [TS]

00:08:26   update like 50 hundred mega apps that on [TS]

00:08:31   people's phones that are buried in some [TS]

00:08:33   folder somewhere they're never actually [TS]

00:08:34   using so it is an interesting problem I [TS]

00:08:37   do think it is wise for Apple to start [TS]

00:08:40   tackling this somehow but we'll have to [TS]

00:08:43   see I guess the implementation details [TS]

00:08:44   of how this is actually done just to [TS]

00:08:46   know whether this is the right solution [TS]

00:08:47   or not I don't think this should be on [TS]

00:08:49   by default because the idea that your [TS]

00:08:51   phone like rots [TS]

00:08:53   like the like a couple couple screens [TS]

00:08:55   away the app that you only use once in a [TS]

00:08:57   blue moon then the one time you want to [TS]

00:08:59   use it it's like oh I don't have this [TS]

00:09:00   app I have to redownload it and you have [TS]

00:09:02   to wait for it and you're on a bad [TS]

00:09:03   connection or it's a large app or [TS]

00:09:05   something like that [TS]

00:09:05   this direct me is a good idea I think a [TS]

00:09:08   a nice copy and here's the thing that [TS]

00:09:10   someone someone's phone like fills up [TS]

00:09:12   and they go to the Apple Store like hey [TS]

00:09:14   my my phone is filled up man which I bet [TS]

00:09:16   is I bet as a Genius Bar thing they get [TS]

00:09:18   a lot help me what do I do [TS]

00:09:20   how do I make more space beyond my phone [TS]

00:09:23   aside from buying a new one and it's [TS]

00:09:25   like well there any apps you're not [TS]

00:09:26   using let's sort them by size let's go [TS]

00:09:28   to the usage screen in settings and see [TS]

00:09:29   what's using most of your space and all [TS]

00:09:31   those things that I'm sure the Genius [TS]

00:09:33   Bar people do all the time one possible [TS]

00:09:37   solution I found reasonably nice that is [TS]

00:09:40   not the same as this preference city [TS]

00:09:42   that you manually turn on or is on by [TS]

00:09:43   default it slowly rots out the [TS]

00:09:44   applications that you don't use and just [TS]

00:09:46   deletes them out from under you makes [TS]

00:09:47   them like these little booby traps that [TS]

00:09:48   cause big downloads when you tap on them [TS]

00:09:50   is to do what slack does and say every [TS]

00:09:53   once in a while and I know this sounds [TS]

00:09:54   like nagging and Skype does this type of [TS]

00:09:57   thing all the time but I found it not to [TS]

00:09:59   be particularly annoying it says not a [TS]

00:10:01   fairly infrequent schedule hey I've [TS]

00:10:04   noticed these three apps that are this [TS]

00:10:06   big you haven't used them in six months [TS]

00:10:08   do you want to delete them and you'd say [TS]

00:10:10   no and you can say don't bother me about [TS]

00:10:12   this again or you can say yes and that [TS]

00:10:15   seems like do that like once a month [TS]

00:10:17   right and have that be a preference but [TS]

00:10:20   have it on by default or something I bet [TS]

00:10:22   people would go oh yeah I forgot I [TS]

00:10:24   installed that game delete or they'll [TS]

00:10:26   say you know as long as you have the [TS]

00:10:27   button that says no and never asked me [TS]

00:10:30   about this again it will never ask you [TS]

00:10:31   about that app again you know it's like [TS]

00:10:33   those four tons of stuff hey these [TS]

00:10:35   channels haven't had anyone talk to them [TS]

00:10:36   in a while do you want to keep them or [TS]

00:10:37   do you not want to keep them you know [TS]

00:10:38   like maybe this lack frequency is a [TS]

00:10:41   little bit more frequent I don't know [TS]

00:10:42   what their frequency is but I find that [TS]

00:10:44   a very useful you know if I was a [TS]

00:10:47   marketing person I would say it's an [TS]

00:10:48   intelligent assistant it uses machine [TS]

00:10:51   there but bottom line is it presents [TS]

00:10:54   options in an understandable way uh [TS]

00:10:58   without introducing any new mechanics [TS]

00:11:01   and in gaming parlance like the [TS]

00:11:03   mechanics are still you have apps you [TS]

00:11:05   know you can delete them right you have [TS]

00:11:06   you good [TS]

00:11:07   you can delete them every once in a [TS]

00:11:08   while the thing will ask you you have [TS]

00:11:10   useless do you want me to delete it as [TS]

00:11:11   opposed to let me introduce the concept [TS]

00:11:15   of offloading to you and now do you want [TS]

00:11:16   me to do that automatically in a way you [TS]

00:11:18   have no awareness of yes or no so that I [TS]

00:11:21   mean we'll say well I'll try it I will [TS]

00:11:23   probably turn on to because I have tons [TS]

00:11:24   of apps that I don't use that frequently [TS]

00:11:26   but I well maybe I won't turn on because [TS]

00:11:27   I don't want to like offload my [TS]

00:11:31   downloaded for the 24 hours they were up [TS]

00:11:33   illegal NES emulator apps that I've had [TS]

00:11:35   my phone for I don't want it to delete [TS]

00:11:37   that something and in typical Apple [TS]

00:11:38   fashion it's not as if I'll be able to [TS]

00:11:40   exclude those or anything so I guess I [TS]

00:11:41   probably won't turn this on yeah I mean [TS]

00:11:43   I think it makes a lot of sense for [TS]

00:11:45   people of which there are many who are [TS]

00:11:47   really short on space on their phone [TS]

00:11:49   pretty much all the time and this is you [TS]

00:11:51   know largely because Apple has for so [TS]

00:11:53   long sold phones with really small [TS]

00:11:55   storage sizes as the base model and I [TS]

00:11:57   think that's that's less of a problem [TS]

00:11:58   with the recent phones but there's still [TS]

00:11:59   a lot of those out there a lot of those [TS]

00:12:02   like 16 gig phones are still being used [TS]

00:12:04   and and so there's this is a big problem [TS]

00:12:07   for lots of people or people who for any [TS]

00:12:09   size phone their story just full of like [TS]

00:12:12   photos and videos and stuff and they [TS]

00:12:13   don't want to or can't pay for [TS]

00:12:15   additional iCloud storage and everything [TS]

00:12:17   so like like they need the space and so [TS]

00:12:20   you know I think I would venture that [TS]

00:12:22   venture gets that space management is a [TS]

00:12:25   really big very common problem for iOS [TS]

00:12:28   device owners so anything to reduce [TS]

00:12:30   space is a good thing especially in this [TS]

00:12:32   age where pretty much any app you [TS]

00:12:34   download is gonna be like 90 Meg's all [TS]

00:12:37   right [TS]

00:12:38   we have some observations from front of [TS]

00:12:41   the shows detron smith ipad multitasking [TS]

00:12:44   spaces persist after you reboot so they [TS]

00:12:47   can be permanent [TS]

00:12:48   which just heightens my desire to be [TS]

00:12:50   able to pin favorites [TS]

00:12:52   so apparently spaces are a thing and [TS]

00:12:55   there are persistent things so that you [TS]

00:12:57   can kind of set up your different you [TS]

00:12:59   know multitasking pains and whatnot for [TS]

00:13:02   different tasks and just swipe between [TS]

00:13:04   them as necessary not unlike what you [TS]

00:13:06   would do on the Mac yeah pinning [TS]

00:13:08   favorites like you know the fact that it [TS]

00:13:09   keeps track of what you did hey you put [TS]

00:13:11   messages on one side and like your text [TS]

00:13:13   editor on the other and you put slack on [TS]

00:13:15   one side and a web browser [TS]

00:13:16   the other and like it keeps those as [TS]

00:13:18   little spaces and it keeps them together [TS]

00:13:19   and it's good that it keeps track of [TS]

00:13:22   them if it really does because people [TS]

00:13:24   will like as I've said a million times [TS]

00:13:25   people want to arrange their working [TS]

00:13:28   environment in the way that suits them [TS]

00:13:29   but they will they will give up doing it [TS]

00:13:32   if they spend any amount of time [TS]

00:13:33   arranging and then that arrangement is [TS]

00:13:35   forgotten I've always you know you [TS]

00:13:36   springboard is the my modern example to [TS]

00:13:38   get people to understand spatial [TS]

00:13:39   interfaces if you picked up your phone [TS]

00:13:41   and all of a sudden all your icons in [TS]

00:13:43   springboard were randomly arranged and [TS]

00:13:44   everything was out of your folders and [TS]

00:13:45   all scrambled over hey you'd be pissed [TS]

00:13:48   and be up to three times you would stop [TS]

00:13:49   rearranging stuff in springboard you'd [TS]

00:13:51   be like why bother why do I bother [TS]

00:13:52   carefully making these screens because [TS]

00:13:54   next time I pick up my phone chances are [TS]

00:13:56   good that everything will just be [TS]

00:13:57   randomly shuffled right that's that's [TS]

00:13:59   how the finder is to me these days but [TS]

00:14:01   yet to get people to understand like why [TS]

00:14:03   do you care why do you care about your [TS]

00:14:04   screens you hear all these podcasts you [TS]

00:14:05   know cortex talks about it all the time [TS]

00:14:07   I think they talked about hello internet [TS]

00:14:08   we've talked about in here talked about [TS]

00:14:11   it on connected upgrade is there a tech [TS]

00:14:13   show that hasn't talked about hey how do [TS]

00:14:14   you arrange your homescreen the fact [TS]

00:14:16   that that is a discussion topic at all [TS]

00:14:18   is because you can arrange your home [TS]

00:14:21   screen you can arrange springboard and [TS]

00:14:22   you put things in a place and they stay [TS]

00:14:25   there and that's why it is the thing at [TS]

00:14:27   all so with with spaces having them [TS]

00:14:31   persist is great because that will let [TS]

00:14:32   people start to get kind of an [TS]

00:14:34   arrangement and being able to pin [TS]

00:14:35   favorites to say like I guess it sorts [TS]

00:14:37   them in like most recently used order or [TS]

00:14:39   something I don't know I haven't tried [TS]

00:14:40   it but I'm assuming it's some kind of [TS]

00:14:41   automatic order that says all right well [TS]

00:14:43   when you go back to that switcher the [TS]

00:14:46   last two or three spaces you used will [TS]

00:14:48   you know will be in the first two or [TS]

00:14:51   three positions someone so forth if you [TS]

00:14:52   could pin a small set of things to say [TS]

00:14:54   no matter what I do with my iPad these [TS]

00:14:57   spaces are always in this position that [TS]

00:14:59   would also I think help people's [TS]

00:15:00   workflows because they have kind of a [TS]

00:15:02   way of working and a set of applications [TS]

00:15:05   that they group together and they're [TS]

00:15:06   going to do other stuff they're going to [TS]

00:15:07   jump off does some other weird [TS]

00:15:08   application go over here over there but [TS]

00:15:10   when they come back to the switcher to [TS]

00:15:11   be able to know when you invoke the [TS]

00:15:13   switcher just just stab in this vision [TS]

00:15:15   and it will always be your Safari [TS]

00:15:17   messages space or whatever this is you [TS]

00:15:20   know this is a tiny miniature version of [TS]

00:15:23   window arrangement on personal computers [TS]

00:15:26   but as we've seen the personal computers [TS]

00:15:28   just too many damn windows mostly [TS]

00:15:30   they don't even though these spaces like [TS]

00:15:34   hazy does I rarely see people who aren't [TS]

00:15:37   pretty darn computer nerdy develop any [TS]

00:15:41   kind of system with spaces just because [TS]

00:15:42   it's so it's so difficult to do the same [TS]

00:15:46   thing to try to with an iPad to pin them [TS]

00:15:48   to say this space should be here and it [TS]

00:15:50   should be fullscreen and should have [TS]

00:15:52   this there that shut these three windows [TS]

00:15:53   in and it should never change if you if [TS]

00:15:56   you can do that on the iPad if you make [TS]

00:15:57   more people be able to do that on the [TS]

00:15:59   iPad people who will be a lot happier [TS]

00:16:00   people who could not accomplish the same [TS]

00:16:03   task on a Mac more from Steve Stratton [TS]

00:16:05   Smith iOS 11 let's document pay based [TS]

00:16:08   apps pretty much present the filesystem [TS]

00:16:10   as their launch UI replacing all the [TS]

00:16:12   galleries or grid views that everyone [TS]

00:16:14   writes so this is kind of cool that you [TS]

00:16:17   can just use basically a file browser as [TS]

00:16:20   the thing you land on when you launch an [TS]

00:16:22   app and so that makes a lot of your [TS]

00:16:24   redundant code that all these different [TS]

00:16:26   companies and people have written just [TS]

00:16:27   go away which is really exciting and [TS]

00:16:29   this is more embracing of the iPad [TS]

00:16:33   having a file system I put this in here [TS]

00:16:35   because I just immediately upon reading [TS]

00:16:38   this tweet imagined the very first [TS]

00:16:41   application that tries to ship and do [TS]

00:16:43   this the App Store rejects it says sorry [TS]

00:16:44   you can't show the file picker does not [TS]

00:16:47   totally sound like an app store type [TS]

00:16:48   thing I mean he means technically [TS]

00:16:49   speaking yes now there's like a canned [TS]

00:16:51   Apple view that shows you the file [TS]

00:16:53   system and a lot of applications that [TS]

00:16:54   make sense where it on Mac apps do it [TS]

00:16:57   where you you've launched office apps do [TS]

00:16:59   it and maybe in pages you launch and you [TS]

00:17:01   get an open save dialog or you get well [TS]

00:17:03   I guess someone do all those custom [TS]

00:17:04   galleries like choose from these [TS]

00:17:05   templates and make a new go document or [TS]

00:17:07   whatever but in many types of [TS]

00:17:09   applications that is a natural way to do [TS]

00:17:12   it and I think most of the best iOS [TS]

00:17:14   applications still we want to write [TS]

00:17:15   their own like procreate or whatever or [TS]

00:17:17   like Lamia however you pronounce the [TS]

00:17:20   name of the icon factory app they all [TS]

00:17:22   have kind of a view where it shows you [TS]

00:17:24   here's all your stuff and especially if [TS]

00:17:25   it's an image editing application to [TS]

00:17:27   show you little thumbnails and stuff [TS]

00:17:28   rather than showing you just a bunch of [TS]

00:17:29   file icons but if you really do have an [TS]

00:17:31   application that mostly deals with just [TS]

00:17:33   files that are not graphics files it [TS]

00:17:37   might make sense to launch into the [TS]

00:17:38   Apple provided picker at least maybe in [TS]

00:17:40   version one of your app before you until [TS]

00:17:41   you make the fancy version that shows [TS]

00:17:43   you a preview like the Google [TS]

00:17:44   zap shows you it's just a bunch of text [TS]

00:17:45   documents but it shows you a little [TS]

00:17:46   previews of them which is actually [TS]

00:17:48   surprisingly useful later I'm why I'm [TS]

00:17:52   watching this to see the first person [TS]

00:17:53   brave enough to ship an app like that to [TS]

00:17:55   see if they every Jake it's not going to [TS]

00:17:56   be a problem Apple like that they're [TS]

00:17:57   holding DC sessions about doing this [TS]

00:17:59   like they want people to do this it's [TS]

00:18:01   gonna be fine we'll see famous last [TS]

00:18:03   words [TS]

00:18:04   now if it's an NES emulator you have a [TS]

00:18:05   problem or do you remember way back when [TS]

00:18:07   when they were tethering apps like I [TS]

00:18:09   think I had yeah I Heather or something [TS]

00:18:12   like that and and I kept that because it [TS]

00:18:14   was on it was on the App Store for like [TS]

00:18:16   a week and it was basically like you [TS]

00:18:18   needed a a component on your Mac and you [TS]

00:18:20   needed the app on your phone and I kept [TS]

00:18:23   that thing on my phone for years because [TS]

00:18:25   I had the ATT unlimited plan and one of [TS]

00:18:28   the ways they tried to shimmy you off of [TS]

00:18:30   that plan was by never ever ever as far [TS]

00:18:32   as I knew anyway never allowing you to [TS]

00:18:35   tether so I had this like tether or I [TS]

00:18:38   tether or something like that that I [TS]

00:18:40   would use to be able to tether from time [TS]

00:18:42   to time and I remember I like had a [TS]

00:18:44   saved version of the Installer somewhere [TS]

00:18:47   on my hard drive so just in case the [TS]

00:18:48   Installer went away I would still have [TS]

00:18:50   it I had the app that I liked cherished [TS]

00:18:52   more I probably had a backup backup of [TS]

00:18:54   the IPA somewhere just to be safe I mean [TS]

00:18:56   I'd oh my god I remember that those were [TS]

00:18:58   the days and then there would be other [TS]

00:18:59   apps like a flashlight app that would L [TS]

00:19:01   by the way have a Sox server on it yeah [TS]

00:19:04   if you you know triple tap in the upper [TS]

00:19:07   1/3 of the screen while holding your [TS]

00:19:09   nose and bouncing on one foot you engage [TS]

00:19:11   a sock server yeah like two hours after [TS]

00:19:13   that was discovered it was off the store [TS]

00:19:15   uh moving on the Apple Design Awards the [TS]

00:19:19   a das they were a thing we which I think [TS]

00:19:23   we spoke about last time but it used to [TS]

00:19:25   be that what was at the Monday evening [TS]

00:19:26   of WDC the first night at WTC they would [TS]

00:19:30   have an event where the Apple Design [TS]

00:19:32   Awards would get would be given out and [TS]

00:19:34   it would be done in front of an audience [TS]

00:19:35   blah blah blah this this past year they [TS]

00:19:37   kind of did it quietly but people got to [TS]

00:19:39   schmooze with some of the execs which is [TS]

00:19:41   pretty cool well Zach kaan writes and [TS]

00:19:43   says it's worth noting that Apple gave [TS]

00:19:46   out a da's to indie alternatives to mail [TS]

00:19:48   notes and reminders but still won't let [TS]

00:19:50   you set any of them as a default which [TS]

00:19:52   was a pretty observant thing that that [TS]

00:19:54   Zach had noticed [TS]

00:19:56   yeah they're rewarding like oh these are [TS]

00:19:58   well-designed applications they may well [TS]

00:19:59   be but I always feel for people who try [TS]

00:20:02   to use the non default applications [TS]

00:20:03   because in each one of them there's some [TS]

00:20:05   aspect of it that is less privileged [TS]

00:20:08   than the Apple one like for mail [TS]

00:20:10   applications it's you know could be as [TS]

00:20:11   simple as like when I click on mail to [TS]

00:20:13   link my tab of mail to link on my phone [TS]

00:20:14   which application launches or when I [TS]

00:20:16   tell Siri remind me to bla bla bla where [TS]

00:20:19   does it put that reminder you know I [TS]

00:20:20   mean like and they're so close it's not [TS]

00:20:23   I don't even understand why Apple [TS]

00:20:26   clearly wants to encourage notes and [TS]

00:20:28   mail reminder applications like they're [TS]

00:20:30   a staple of the non game section of the [TS]

00:20:32   App Store Apple is not like you know [TS]

00:20:36   growling at them and saying why are [TS]

00:20:37   those people trying to compete with our [TS]

00:20:38   built-in applications they want to [TS]

00:20:39   encourage in here they are 88 winners [TS]

00:20:41   these are great examples of applications [TS]

00:20:43   that Apple apparently wants to encourage [TS]

00:20:44   let people use them as their default [TS]

00:20:47   right for all these in calendar notes [TS]

00:20:50   reminders mail they're so close and the [TS]

00:20:53   limitations are less than they used to [TS]

00:20:54   be it used to be much harder to use [TS]

00:20:56   alternate applications but like why not [TS]

00:20:59   go all away I'm every year we wait for [TS]

00:21:01   this some years there's more to look [TS]

00:21:03   forward to than others who don't talk [TS]

00:21:04   about it but because I don't think we [TS]

00:21:06   mentioned this year but I'm always [TS]

00:21:07   thinking about it hey when will I be [TS]

00:21:09   able to use alternate applications even [TS]

00:21:11   on the Mac back in the classic Mac OS [TS]

00:21:13   days there was an entire control panel [TS]

00:21:15   for you to set up this is the [TS]

00:21:17   application I want to use for mail this [TS]

00:21:18   is the one I want to use for instant [TS]

00:21:19   message or so on and so forth but that [TS]

00:21:21   kind of is still in Mac OS if you know [TS]

00:21:23   where to mess with things but it's not [TS]

00:21:25   prominent like some of the things are [TS]

00:21:26   hidden like you go to the Safari [TS]

00:21:28   preferences to pick your default browser [TS]

00:21:30   and chrome will constantly try to change [TS]

00:21:32   your default browser it's all weird you [TS]

00:21:34   wise to the same underlying data store [TS]

00:21:36   but it's clearly not as prominent as it [TS]

00:21:38   used to be at least power users can [TS]

00:21:39   figure it out on iOS a lot of times it's [TS]

00:21:42   just not possible I suppose unless you [TS]

00:21:44   jailbreak which is frustrating [TS]

00:21:45   especially we already talked about this [TS]

00:21:47   with you know Siri and the increased [TS]

00:21:49   number of intense it would be great they [TS]

00:21:51   made intense for all the things that you [TS]

00:21:53   can do with Siri for mail notes [TS]

00:21:55   reminders if those things don't already [TS]

00:21:57   exist I suppose they don't but certainly [TS]

00:22:00   you can't tell I mean Google's [TS]

00:22:03   applications do it when you know when [TS]

00:22:04   you'll tap a link in the Gmail app it [TS]

00:22:06   will throw a thing in your face it says [TS]

00:22:07   hey do you want to open this link in [TS]

00:22:09   Chrome [TS]

00:22:09   in tint tint or Safari and there's a [TS]

00:22:12   little a little switch that says ask me [TS]

00:22:15   about this every time so I always just [TS]

00:22:16   hit Safari and hit the don't ask me [TS]

00:22:18   about this every time and then and be [TS]

00:22:20   done with it but public Apple can [TS]

00:22:22   implement as well and it's not not [TS]

00:22:23   rocket science so again maybe in a [TS]

00:22:25   couple years yeah and actually for the [TS]

00:22:27   record I'm pretty sure they did add [TS]

00:22:29   there they are adding it for notes and I [TS]

00:22:30   was living that's one of the two things [TS]

00:22:32   that they added I think but if I get [TS]

00:22:35   that wrong I'm sorry I'm still buried in [TS]

00:22:37   WC stuff because I learned that I have [TS]

00:22:39   to rewrite my entire audio engine you [TS]

00:22:42   mean we what the what he called the the [TS]

00:22:44   tent you mean isn't and I was loving not [TS]

00:22:47   that you can get your default [TS]

00:22:47   application yeah yeah yeah no yeah the [TS]

00:22:49   change in the defaults I can't imagine [TS]

00:22:51   that this will see I don't know that's [TS]

00:22:53   one of those things where you know every [TS]

00:22:56   every WDC that comes around we we get a [TS]

00:22:59   whole bunch of stuff that is you know no [TS]

00:23:01   big surprise and there's usually a [TS]

00:23:03   couple of things that we always say wow [TS]

00:23:06   we never thought Apple would do that and [TS]

00:23:08   so we we've been for years saying we're [TS]

00:23:11   pretty sure apples never gonna allow you [TS]

00:23:13   to change the default app for these [TS]

00:23:15   kinds of things but if one of these you [TS]

00:23:17   it could be one of those things you know [TS]

00:23:19   they could just do it and then we'd be [TS]

00:23:20   like oh look at that cool and we move on [TS]

00:23:22   you know the same thing with like [TS]

00:23:23   deleting the built-in apps like we never [TS]

00:23:25   thought they would do that either and [TS]

00:23:26   there's you know a little asterisk and [TS]

00:23:28   how they kind of sort of offer it now [TS]

00:23:31   what you start really deleting it and [TS]

00:23:33   things like that but like you know they [TS]

00:23:35   did it and they put the effort into that [TS]

00:23:36   to make that happen and so like you know [TS]

00:23:38   as as iOS gets more and more mature many [TS]

00:23:42   of the arguments against them offering [TS]

00:23:45   defaults like for instance one of the [TS]

00:23:46   arguments used to be like well things [TS]

00:23:48   like male there are places all over the [TS]

00:23:50   US where they have like built-in male [TS]

00:23:53   compose sheets and yeah that's true but [TS]

00:23:55   then they made extensions and they made [TS]

00:23:57   Siri intense and things like that which [TS]

00:23:58   kind of break down these barriers and [TS]

00:24:00   let anything plug in and kind of do [TS]

00:24:02   similar things so you know the the idea [TS]

00:24:06   of having custom integrations with [TS]

00:24:07   certain things like those are actually [TS]

00:24:09   slowly being removed in favor of things [TS]

00:24:12   like extensions and intents and and so [TS]

00:24:14   it would not surprise me if they decided [TS]

00:24:17   to actually let you change things like [TS]

00:24:19   your default mail app and your default [TS]

00:24:21   browser at some point in the future [TS]

00:24:23   still wouldn't say it's likely but the [TS]

00:24:26   the I think the technical foundation is [TS]

00:24:28   now there that they could do it if they [TS]

00:24:31   wanted to without massive weird side [TS]

00:24:32   effects I still don't think they will [TS]

00:24:35   but again with Apple you never really [TS]

00:24:36   know what you know you never say they'll [TS]

00:24:38   never do something well they're so close [TS]

00:24:40   now like you said with the extensions [TS]

00:24:42   and in each individual application just [TS]

00:24:44   take web browsers are no mail [TS]

00:24:45   applications for example is all they [TS]

00:24:47   would need to do for mail chain make a [TS]

00:24:49   preference in Safari that controls where [TS]

00:24:52   mail to links go to is that it like [TS]

00:24:54   what's left because you know there's [TS]

00:24:55   there's the extensions for like ad this [TS]

00:24:58   is a bookmark or I mean I suppose they [TS]

00:25:00   also have like tapping links in Safari [TS]

00:25:03   search and Siri search results or [TS]

00:25:05   something you know what I mean or do you [TS]

00:25:07   want me to open this web page and stuff [TS]

00:25:08   like that I don't know it's probably [TS]

00:25:09   we've throughout the system in more [TS]

00:25:11   places than I think but it always seems [TS]

00:25:13   like they're so close that like there's [TS]

00:25:15   no what what are they holding back for [TS]

00:25:18   now because extensions really did blow [TS]

00:25:19   it wild wide open and now almost all the [TS]

00:25:22   things that you would previously done [TS]

00:25:23   with a single default application now [TS]

00:25:26   you can pick from a list and you can [TS]

00:25:27   rearrange a list which by the way I [TS]

00:25:28   really help you rearranging of that list [TS]

00:25:30   sticks better or I hope these spaces [TS]

00:25:32   stick better than the rearranging a list [TS]

00:25:33   because I've always had problems with [TS]

00:25:34   that oh yeah but yeah it seems simple I [TS]

00:25:37   don't know what the holdup is other than [TS]

00:25:39   just you know not a big priority and [TS]

00:25:41   it's like one of those sort of small [TS]

00:25:43   things most people don't care about [TS]

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00:28:17   right speaking of photos a moment to go [TS]

00:28:20   let's talk about what is he for hafe I [TS]

00:28:23   always get it wrong the Apple people [TS]

00:28:24   have been seeing Heath Heath okay [TS]

00:28:26   alright so somebody in the show notes [TS]

00:28:30   I'm assuming John says that Heath is [TS]

00:28:31   good he is good he fizz like those are [TS]

00:28:35   my favorite sessions the the hefei TVC [TS]

00:28:37   sessions if you want to take a look at [TS]

00:28:40   some sessions technology stuff at WABC I [TS]

00:28:43   think these are some of the best ones [TS]

00:28:44   for a bunch of reasons so the first is [TS]

00:28:47   that he fizz good it is better than JPEG [TS]

00:28:51   it's better than ping it's better than [TS]

00:28:52   all the existing formats in terms in the [TS]

00:28:55   in terms of the things that Apple cares [TS]

00:28:57   about and that you should care about - [TS]

00:28:58   image size flexibility of the format [TS]

00:29:01   it's kind of it kind of reminds me of [TS]

00:29:02   like the various I'm gonna call them [TS]

00:29:04   pirate formats but like the mikoshi or [TS]

00:29:06   whatever MKV container thing like where [TS]

00:29:09   they just say here is a really super [TS]

00:29:11   generic container that can you know that [TS]

00:29:14   is flexible and straightforward and fits [TS]

00:29:15   a whole bunch of stuff in it and look at [TS]

00:29:18   all these things that it can do and we [TS]

00:29:19   don't pin it down with these arbitrary [TS]

00:29:22   limitations that you know make sense at [TS]

00:29:23   the time and one of the examples in the [TS]

00:29:25   thing was like whatever the maximum size [TS]

00:29:26   of a JPEG is I forget what it is but I'm [TS]

00:29:28   sure it seemed ridiculous [TS]

00:29:29   when JPEG was created and whatever [TS]

00:29:31   nineteen eighty or ninety something or [TS]

00:29:34   and yet here we are today and it's like [TS]

00:29:36   actually it's an actual limitation that [TS]

00:29:38   is problematic for JPEGs one of the [TS]

00:29:40   demos they had or not to spoil too much [TS]

00:29:42   one of the demos that of Heath was of a [TS]

00:29:45   panorama they zoomed in on and they just [TS]

00:29:47   kept zooming and zooming and zooming and [TS]

00:29:49   it was ridiculously large panoramas and [TS]

00:29:50   it was like is this is this some cool [TS]

00:29:52   new application like Google Earth that [TS]

00:29:54   just reloads new tiles and you know like [TS]

00:29:57   totally custom UI no they were just [TS]

00:29:59   zooming a Heath image which itself [TS]

00:30:01   internally can use a tile based format [TS]

00:30:02   and it's resolution can be massive and [TS]

00:30:04   you literally couldn't do with JPEG like [TS]

00:30:06   it all was was an image view as far as I [TS]

00:30:07   could tell but you couldn't do with JPEG [TS]

00:30:09   cuz JPEG can't support an image that [TS]

00:30:10   size period right nevermind the [TS]

00:30:13   efficiency of being able to quickly read [TS]

00:30:15   and display just the portion that it's [TS]

00:30:17   on the screen with the whole tiling [TS]

00:30:18   stuff the pictures are smaller for the [TS]

00:30:21   same quality or better quality for [TS]

00:30:24   larger sizes and they can contain lots [TS]

00:30:26   of different things like it's almost [TS]

00:30:28   like he was made for live photos I bet [TS]

00:30:31   it was kind of the reverse but it's a [TS]

00:30:33   shame the live photos came before he but [TS]

00:30:34   hey you can store a series of photos [TS]

00:30:36   photos plus video at the same time but [TS]

00:30:38   you know smart dips between the frames [TS]

00:30:40   of the stuff in them is what I was [TS]

00:30:41   talking about in the end the live show [TS]

00:30:42   where I was speculating that perhaps [TS]

00:30:44   that every frame of a live photo stored [TS]

00:30:48   in a format is of equal quality that's [TS]

00:30:49   why you can pick among them reportedly [TS]

00:30:51   that's not the case we got at least one [TS]

00:30:53   report that if you pick the real photo [TS]

00:30:55   it is still like you know the still [TS]

00:30:57   photo is still higher quality than any [TS]

00:30:58   of the animation frames but maybe [TS]

00:31:00   animation frames are [TS]

00:31:02   higher quality than they were I suppose [TS]

00:31:03   it makes sense that if you had to shave [TS]

00:31:04   full quality for every single frame [TS]

00:31:06   you'd take up a lot of of memory because [TS]

00:31:10   those are actually pretty big maybe you [TS]

00:31:12   couldn't even dump them off the sense of [TS]

00:31:13   the fast but even if occurred you [TS]

00:31:14   probably wouldn't want them to because [TS]

00:31:15   it's kind of inefficient even with [TS]

00:31:16   interframe dips but anyway the reason [TS]

00:31:19   Heath and a GBC are big deals is because [TS]

00:31:22   aside from just being new formats and [TS]

00:31:25   better is this is like a foundational [TS]

00:31:27   technology like they didn't really [TS]

00:31:29   hammer on it too much but this is going [TS]

00:31:32   to last if you know if all goes well [TS]

00:31:33   this is going to last 10 15 20 years [TS]

00:31:36   it's going to define your experience on [TS]

00:31:38   iOS and Mac in terms of what are my [TS]

00:31:42   images what is my video made of how good [TS]

00:31:45   does it look and how much room does it [TS]

00:31:46   take it is so fundamental to every [TS]

00:31:48   single thing that we do especially with [TS]

00:31:49   cameras being as pervasive as they are [TS]

00:31:51   today that any kind of change in them is [TS]

00:31:53   like you don't change it for the hell of [TS]

00:31:55   it well this year we use them totally [TS]

00:31:56   different image format next year this [TS]

00:31:57   different image format no we pick an [TS]

00:31:59   image format we stick with it for a long [TS]

00:32:00   time and these formats are just better [TS]

00:32:02   that just better and this will this will [TS]

00:32:06   change all of our Computing's lives in [TS]

00:32:08   like boring ways and will continue to [TS]

00:32:11   change them for years and years news [TS]

00:32:13   like I don't I don't think this is like [TS]

00:32:14   a weird fad thing I really hope it [TS]

00:32:16   really does catch on and sweep across [TS]

00:32:19   the entire industry because I'm ready to [TS]

00:32:20   get rid of those old formats and change [TS]

00:32:22   to this new one like why why hold on to [TS]

00:32:24   a format that makes larger files that [TS]

00:32:26   are worse quality that has less [TS]

00:32:27   flexibility and is more difficult to [TS]

00:32:29   deal with so I encourage everyone to [TS]

00:32:31   look at these sessions I think this is [TS]

00:32:33   exactly the type of sort of underlying [TS]

00:32:34   core technology that certainly within [TS]

00:32:36   the app legal system and hopefully [TS]

00:32:37   within the ecosystem across the whole [TS]

00:32:39   industry because I hate it when Apple [TS]

00:32:41   does something better and no one else [TS]

00:32:42   copies it and again he Phan h-e-b CR not [TS]

00:32:44   Apple standards these are ISO standards [TS]

00:32:46   international standards Apple I don't [TS]

00:32:49   have apple at any influence at all in [TS]

00:32:50   making them who knows but either way [TS]

00:32:51   they're not Apple proprietary so I [TS]

00:32:53   really want the whole world to move to [TS]

00:32:55   this every time I think about the whole [TS]

00:32:56   world moving to it I think back on gif [TS]

00:32:58   and then I think we could we couldn't [TS]

00:33:01   even escape gift oh really oh no it [TS]

00:33:03   changed we're all going to change the [TS]

00:33:05   heap and a GB see how long did it take [TS]

00:33:06   to get transparent ping support in all [TS]

00:33:08   of our browsers I'm old I know but I my [TS]

00:33:12   fingers across for these standards all [TS]

00:33:14   right [TS]

00:33:15   let's see what else we've got going on I [TS]

00:33:17   didn't entirely understand this tweet [TS]

00:33:20   from not underscore David Smith from [TS]

00:33:23   from Apple employee David Smith he'd [TS]

00:33:27   said that 32-bits support is sunset in [TS]

00:33:31   Mac OS this is a bigger deal than it [TS]

00:33:32   seems i386 is the last fragile - table C [TS]

00:33:36   - a bi non Swift supporting architecture [TS]

00:33:40   I understood bits and pieces of that can [TS]

00:33:43   one of you translate for me what the [TS]

00:33:46   crap that actually means says it in the [TS]

00:33:48   notes right below it so the the fragile [TS]

00:33:51   Objective C API so the fragile busey API [TS]

00:33:54   is where well it's the non fragile one [TS]

00:33:57   is where it escapes the fragile Base [TS]

00:33:58   Class problem which is basically if [TS]

00:34:00   they've Apple ships a framework and they [TS]

00:34:01   have a class and it has like fields name [TS]

00:34:03   and age in it right and people build [TS]

00:34:04   applications top of that framework and [TS]

00:34:06   they ship them and then the next version [TS]

00:34:07   the operating system Apple wants to add [TS]

00:34:09   a hair color field to that same class [TS]

00:34:11   right the fragile base class problem is [TS]

00:34:14   like oh we can't add hair color field to [TS]

00:34:17   this class because a bunch of [TS]

00:34:18   applications are shipped that are [TS]

00:34:20   compiled against the old version that [TS]

00:34:21   just has name and age and so the only [TS]

00:34:24   way we can add a field because of the [TS]

00:34:25   fragile base class problem is all those [TS]

00:34:27   people need to recompile their [TS]

00:34:28   application against the new version of [TS]

00:34:30   the framework that is new field right [TS]

00:34:31   and so the app effects ists I think [TS]

00:34:33   maybe in the upgrade to a 64-bit runtime [TS]

00:34:36   and it's not a problem now but it is [TS]

00:34:40   still a problem in the 32-bit [TS]

00:34:42   objective-c [TS]

00:34:43   ABI so they didn't bother fixing it [TS]

00:34:48   there because you know backward [TS]

00:34:49   compatibility and also because I assume [TS]

00:34:51   they were moving away from 32-bit [TS]

00:34:52   eventually and now they are and so this [TS]

00:34:54   is that problem goes away entirely like [TS]

00:34:57   then everything that they have certainly [TS]

00:34:58   Swift and also well supposed eventually [TS]

00:35:00   they get a stable API but I'm sure I'm [TS]

00:35:02   assuming they will do the same thing [TS]

00:35:04   there and all the 64-bit objections II [TS]

00:35:05   don't have this problem so they're [TS]

00:35:07   leaving behind a limitation and also [TS]

00:35:11   32-bit doesn't support if switch to [TS]

00:35:14   64-bit only so that's another reason to [TS]

00:35:17   digit so yeah 32-bit Mac not long for [TS]

00:35:20   this world and someone asked me on [TS]

00:35:22   Twitter recently why do I care as a user [TS]

00:35:24   whether aside from a bunch of my [TS]

00:35:27   applications eventually breaking [TS]

00:35:29   what benefit is that is there to me as a [TS]

00:35:30   user for Apple ditching 32 bits for I [TS]

00:35:33   don't care if it's a problem for Apple [TS]

00:35:34   and I have this fragile a you know base [TS]

00:35:36   glass problem and I can up update [TS]

00:35:38   frameworks blah blah who cares I'm not a [TS]

00:35:40   developer I'm just a user I don't want a [TS]

00:35:41   bunch of my applications to go away why [TS]

00:35:43   do I care [TS]

00:35:44   the main reason especially on phones is [TS]

00:35:46   once you load a 32-bit application that [TS]

00:35:49   loads 32-bit libraries those take up [TS]

00:35:52   memory and it's better to just have the [TS]

00:35:54   64-bit ones in memory instead of having [TS]

00:35:56   do you know you'd have seven 64-bit [TS]

00:35:58   applications all sharing a single you [TS]

00:36:00   know shared memory instance of a library [TS]

00:36:02   and then you launch one 32-bit [TS]

00:36:03   application it has to bring in the [TS]

00:36:04   32-bit version a library just for that [TS]

00:36:06   application so you know if your phone [TS]

00:36:11   will use less memory doing the same [TS]

00:36:12   things in theory and then the other one [TS]

00:36:15   is just in a simplification if Apple [TS]

00:36:17   does have to support this old runtime [TS]

00:36:18   they can you know it it's a simpler [TS]

00:36:20   operating system to not have to support [TS]

00:36:22   this old stuff and anytime you can [TS]

00:36:24   delete code and not include things and [TS]

00:36:26   just you know it simplifies everything [TS]

00:36:28   so and presumably that will make your [TS]

00:36:29   phone more stable and faster and your [TS]

00:36:31   applications more stable and faster and [TS]

00:36:32   the idea so the benefit to the user is [TS]

00:36:35   kind of esoteric and maybe not that [TS]

00:36:37   particularly visible but this is what we [TS]

00:36:39   call progress you can't support 32-bit [TS]

00:36:41   forever [TS]

00:36:42   more on high sierra the high sierra [TS]

00:36:46   format is the early logical file system [TS]

00:36:49   all of them were actually following up [TS]

00:36:50   on this use the Jogi ROM the joke that [TS]

00:36:53   John made during the live show joke was [TS]

00:36:56   a memory yeah the High Sierra being like [TS]

00:36:58   a cd-rom format name yeah just to say [TS]

00:37:01   that High Sierra is not a come to words [TS]

00:37:04   that have been combined just by Apple [TS]

00:37:05   for the purpose of the operating system [TS]

00:37:07   that it is in fact a thing not just you [TS]

00:37:09   know that this this volume format [TS]

00:37:11   logical file system use for CD ROMs in [TS]

00:37:14   1985-1986 right they named it after high [TS]

00:37:16   sierra like they didn't also make up [TS]

00:37:18   that term so i'm just defending the high [TS]

00:37:20   sierra name put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:37:21   to the wikipedia article on the topic oh [TS]

00:37:24   that's really old yeah that's this is [TS]

00:37:26   before the ISO 9660 that's the one that [TS]

00:37:29   most CD ROMs were right remember the the [TS]

00:37:32   Mount Rainier packet writing standard [TS]

00:37:34   that was trying like four did you guys [TS]

00:37:36   ever get packet writing CDRs to actually [TS]

00:37:38   like work and not be a problem for [TS]

00:37:40   something yep I did [TS]

00:37:42   because I got like I got the super [TS]

00:37:44   expensive fancy one that I and said [TS]

00:37:46   would work and it really did you could [TS]

00:37:47   incrementally add dated cities it was [TS]

00:37:49   amazing technology that was like the the [TS]

00:37:53   whole thing in cd-rws [TS]

00:37:55   to how incredibly slow and unreliable [TS]

00:37:57   they were like there were so many [TS]

00:37:59   efforts put into trying to make CD [TS]

00:38:02   burners behave more like floppy so you [TS]

00:38:05   could just like write part of one and [TS]

00:38:07   then add some files to it later and then [TS]

00:38:09   maybe delete some files which wouldn't [TS]

00:38:11   actually really delete them but would [TS]

00:38:13   just like mark that block as deleted and [TS]

00:38:15   just add some more at the end and there [TS]

00:38:17   were all these different standards of [TS]

00:38:18   doing it and they tried to define like [TS]

00:38:20   industry standards to combine them all [TS]

00:38:22   and it was always a giant buggy mess and [TS]

00:38:25   maybe maybe there's one of those things [TS]

00:38:27   that like you Mac people John liked it [TS]

00:38:30   maybe it was perfect for you and it was [TS]

00:38:32   just crap on the PC side but I can tell [TS]

00:38:34   you one thing it was really crap on the [TS]

00:38:36   PC side and my first CD burner which was [TS]

00:38:38   a scuzzy 4 by 2 by 6 yep [TS]

00:38:41   from Yamaha which wasn't awesome we [TS]

00:38:43   might have had the same one probably [TS]

00:38:45   yeah [TS]

00:38:45   that was like it was so good at [TS]

00:38:49   everything else but you try to get any [TS]

00:38:51   of those packet writing things to work [TS]

00:38:53   and it's just like no other computer [TS]

00:38:56   could ever read them you were lucky if [TS]

00:38:58   your computer could read it tomorrow [TS]

00:39:00   like it's just terrible I was going to [TS]

00:39:05   say the reason he has problems using [TS]

00:39:07   crappy IDE cd-rom drives for using [TS]

00:39:09   scuzzy wants to and you know I was a [TS]

00:39:10   pretty reputable reputable vendor yeah [TS]

00:39:12   all of mine were obviously scuzzy and [TS]

00:39:14   get mine were super expensive top of the [TS]

00:39:16   line Yamaha things with fancy bank [TS]

00:39:19   applications I had pretty good luck with [TS]

00:39:21   it I did it all the time that was my [TS]

00:39:22   form of backups back before I had enough [TS]

00:39:24   money to have you know duplicate a hard [TS]

00:39:27   drive space hard drives are still quite [TS]

00:39:29   expensive back then no I mean see like [TS]

00:39:31   having the first CD burners it was [TS]

00:39:32   awesome like it was amazing to be able [TS]

00:39:34   to make your own mix CDs but like [TS]

00:39:36   everything that tried to make it more [TS]

00:39:38   like a floppy or a hard drive just [TS]

00:39:40   always sucked it so many problems before [TS]

00:39:43   we leave this topic I will say one of my [TS]

00:39:45   favorite pieces of esoteric optical disc [TS]

00:39:48   technology I ever owned was I had one of [TS]

00:39:50   the Kenwood Truex cd-rom drives that [TS]

00:39:53   read at 72 X [TS]

00:39:55   like by splitting the laser into seven [TS]

00:39:57   different beams and reading seven tracks [TS]

00:39:59   in parallel that's different sounds [TS]

00:40:02   super reliable and I'm sure was very [TS]

00:40:04   quiet when it's been seven - I know [TS]

00:40:06   because it because it was I think it was [TS]

00:40:07   only spinning at like 12 X and that's - [TS]

00:40:09   it was way better than like the than the [TS]

00:40:12   the the 52 X CD ROMs of the time that it [TS]

00:40:16   would sounded like a four-stage jet [TS]

00:40:18   engine that spin up once a room like a [TS]

00:40:21   really super loud light was waiting for [TS]

00:40:23   the dista apart like a wheel that's [TS]

00:40:25   going to which they occasionally did and [TS]

00:40:27   I always I was always kind of surprised [TS]

00:40:29   with the 52 X cd-rom this has that [TS]

00:40:31   sounded so crazy it was kind of [TS]

00:40:34   surprising how few discs shattered [TS]

00:40:36   inside like they actually worked most of [TS]

00:40:38   the time and they really shouldn't have [TS]

00:40:41   I was got nervous putting the sticky [TS]

00:40:43   labels never do that the sticky labels [TS]

00:40:45   know oh yeah oh yeah you had to put them [TS]

00:40:47   on perfectly because it's like having an [TS]

00:40:49   unbalanced tire yeah get in their way [TS]

00:40:51   but I remember all of that I remember [TS]

00:40:55   when we had one of our earlier pcs that [TS]

00:40:57   had an external cd-rom drive that was it [TS]

00:41:00   had like a little tray or cartridge that [TS]

00:41:02   you would put the CD in a caddy [TS]

00:41:04   yes I could be the word I knew wasn't [TS]

00:41:06   cartridge but I can think of the right [TS]

00:41:07   we had had a CD caddy I remember that I [TS]

00:41:09   remember getting the CD burner early on [TS]

00:41:12   this was high school for me and I [TS]

00:41:14   remember I was very popular amongst high [TS]

00:41:16   school kids because I could like make a [TS]

00:41:18   mix CD just like you said I also [TS]

00:41:20   remember and Marco you particularly will [TS]

00:41:22   appreciate this I got into briefly got [TS]

00:41:25   into trading tapes in the Dave Matthews [TS]

00:41:27   Band taping community because Dave [TS]

00:41:30   Matthews fan band as we all agree is a [TS]

00:41:32   jam band and so I my first couple of [TS]

00:41:35   trades what I had done was I had said [TS]

00:41:37   hey send me cassettes of what you've got [TS]

00:41:40   and since I have nothing to trade I have [TS]

00:41:43   no concerts of my own I will digitize [TS]

00:41:45   them put them on CD and send them back [TS]

00:41:47   to you and that's how I scored my first [TS]

00:41:49   couple of concerts and these were [TS]

00:41:51   concerts that I had been at and these [TS]

00:41:53   concerts were very different from each [TS]

00:41:55   other because as we said Dave Matthews [TS]

00:41:56   Band is a jam band anyway we should move [TS]

00:41:58   on and talk about a PFS a PFS is good as [TS]

00:42:01   well [TS]

00:42:02   as it turns out and uh yeah apparently [TS]

00:42:05   and you know I know John you don't have [TS]

00:42:06   many words to say about this so Marco [TS]

00:42:08   would you like to take over [TS]

00:42:09   yeah sure it's a file system and it's [TS]

00:42:12   new and it's not HFS+ and so therefore [TS]

00:42:15   it's good let's move on moving on [TS]

00:42:17   seriously did we did I talk about all [TS]

00:42:20   these things on a passion already I [TS]

00:42:21   don't think you did I'm not a hundred [TS]

00:42:23   percent sure but I don't think you did I [TS]

00:42:25   I'm not done I'm Brett in a rare case of [TS]

00:42:28   me not finishing the previous episode I [TS]

00:42:29   have like 40 minutes left on last week's [TS]

00:42:33   episode because we're recording this [TS]

00:42:34   early slacker ah did I talk about all [TS]

00:42:38   the surrounding just it's you know it's [TS]

00:42:40   fine the people love you John if they [TS]

00:42:42   want they can skip to the next chapter [TS]

00:42:44   that's what it's there for I will add a [TS]

00:42:46   caveat I may have talked about all of [TS]

00:42:48   everything I'm about to say in a past [TS]

00:42:50   episode if I did I apologize but just [TS]

00:42:53   pretend I'm like a teacher and telling [TS]

00:42:54   you things multiple times to make you [TS]

00:42:55   retain any more [TS]

00:42:57   so maybe FS AP of s is good I learned [TS]

00:43:01   some things about it in the AP FS [TS]

00:43:02   session that I may have talked about [TS]

00:43:03   last week it will convert your encrypted [TS]

00:43:06   drive so if you have five volt on you [TS]

00:43:08   don't have to worry about oh it won't be [TS]

00:43:09   able to convert by thing because it [TS]

00:43:11   understands the file vault encryption [TS]

00:43:13   and it will do all the things it has to [TS]

00:43:14   do so you won't lose any data and you [TS]

00:43:16   won't lose any encryption it will [TS]

00:43:18   convert your fusion drives and when it [TS]

00:43:20   converts them it will improve your [TS]

00:43:22   fusion drives because a BFS unlike a [TS]

00:43:24   char s plus will guarantee that the [TS]

00:43:26   metadata all stays on the SSD like [TS]

00:43:28   that's where it writes the new AP FS [TS]

00:43:29   meta did and it keeps it all there so [TS]

00:43:31   aside from the fusion drive saying you [TS]

00:43:34   know moving the actual data like oh the [TS]

00:43:35   files you access frequently will move to [TS]

00:43:37   the fat storage and leave the file as [TS]

00:43:38   you access less frequently on a slow [TS]

00:43:39   storage yeah that's how fusion drive [TS]

00:43:41   works AP of s will make sure that all [TS]

00:43:43   the metadata all the information about [TS]

00:43:45   the files all the file names their sizes [TS]

00:43:47   their dates where all the little data [TS]

00:43:49   blocks are all that will stay on the SSD [TS]

00:43:51   always put them like things a lot faster [TS]

00:43:53   because reading metadata is you know [TS]

00:43:55   involves a lot of seeks and a lot of [TS]

00:43:57   small reads and it's great to have them [TS]

00:43:59   on the SSD disk utility the new version [TS]

00:44:02   of Disk Utility which I don't know if it [TS]

00:44:04   has a resizable window and resizable [TS]

00:44:06   columns yet I haven't checked but that [TS]

00:44:07   would be a great feature [TS]

00:44:08   anyway it will convert your volumes so [TS]

00:44:10   you can open Disk Utility and point at [TS]

00:44:12   any age of s plus disk and say please [TS]

00:44:13   change this to a BFS it will not [TS]

00:44:15   currently make them bootable I'm [TS]

00:44:16   assuming they're going to fix that if [TS]

00:44:18   you want to make it bootable you have to [TS]

00:44:19   run the installer the the high sierra [TS]

00:44:21   installer [TS]

00:44:22   I could put it again I'm assuming that [TS]

00:44:23   will be fixed Mobile Time Machine a [TS]

00:44:26   thing that most people don't know exists [TS]

00:44:28   but does I think it still only runs on [TS]

00:44:30   laptops like it if you're on your Mac [TS]

00:44:32   laptop and you're not connected through [TS]

00:44:34   a time capsule wirelessly or any other [TS]

00:44:36   time machine interface like you know is [TS]

00:44:38   you have time machine on but as far as [TS]

00:44:40   you could tell like your backup drives [TS]

00:44:42   are not you're not communicating with [TS]

00:44:44   your backup drives like say you're on an [TS]

00:44:45   airplane or something you're editing a [TS]

00:44:46   document many years ago Apple added a [TS]

00:44:49   thing but still backs up using time [TS]

00:44:52   machine to your own disk it's not going [TS]

00:44:56   to protect you if your hard drive dies [TS]

00:44:57   because you're backing up your disk to [TS]

00:44:59   your disk but it supposed to save you [TS]

00:45:01   like if you're editing something and [TS]

00:45:02   then a while later you accidentally [TS]

00:45:04   delete it and you're like oh I want that [TS]

00:45:05   back I'm on a plane it was my important [TS]

00:45:07   presentation [TS]

00:45:08   well mobile Time Machine had been in the [TS]

00:45:10   background making copies of your stuff [TS]

00:45:11   to this other location on your disk and [TS]

00:45:13   you can invoke time machine on an [TS]

00:45:15   airplane with no Wi-Fi and get back old [TS]

00:45:18   versions of your documents there are [TS]

00:45:20   some caveats to that which we'll get to [TS]

00:45:21   in a second but the AP FS story here is [TS]

00:45:24   that because abs has constant time [TS]

00:45:27   snapshots where they can take a [TS]

00:45:30   consistent snapshot of your disk in a [TS]

00:45:34   small and fixed amount of time like it [TS]

00:45:36   doesn't depend on how much has changed [TS]

00:45:37   since the last time writing like that it [TS]

00:45:39   is just mark this as a consistent state [TS]

00:45:43   and and it takes space on your desk [TS]

00:45:45   obviously and retain that but it can do [TS]

00:45:47   it very quickly and very efficiently [TS]

00:45:49   which means the previous implementation [TS]

00:45:50   of mobile Time Machine which is fairly [TS]

00:45:53   intense like it was a mounting a virtual [TS]

00:45:56   file system in the secret corner of your [TS]

00:45:59   drive and then writing to it as if it [TS]

00:46:01   was another volume but it's not like it [TS]

00:46:02   was really weird involving hidden [TS]

00:46:05   directories and fakery making it look [TS]

00:46:07   like you have a second volume inside [TS]

00:46:08   your first volume and it would have to [TS]

00:46:10   like crawl over all your files and find [TS]

00:46:13   the ones that have changed and make [TS]

00:46:14   copies of them to this virtual file [TS]

00:46:15   system very very slow whereas the AP FS [TS]

00:46:17   1 is just snapshot as literal they're a [TS]

00:46:20   couple seconds doesn't matter how much [TS]

00:46:21   stuff you've done since last time you [TS]

00:46:23   did that the snapshot itself it takes [TS]

00:46:24   constant time you can do it yourself [TS]

00:46:28   with a command line TM you till the time [TS]

00:46:30   machine your command line utility which [TS]

00:46:32   is useful by the way on any Mac if [TS]

00:46:33   you've never [TS]

00:46:34   just type man TM util to see all these [TS]

00:46:35   everything's you can delete old backups [TS]

00:46:37   and mess with your backups and you know [TS]

00:46:39   screw yourself if you're not careful but [TS]

00:46:40   anyway it's it's a neat utility new [TS]

00:46:43   command TM util space snapshot will take [TS]

00:46:46   a snapshot you can if you have high CR [TS]

00:46:47   betta run it now you'll be amazed at how [TS]

00:46:49   quickly it runs the thing that bothers [TS]

00:46:51   me about mobile time machine and I can [TS]

00:46:53   understand why apples doing this but [TS]

00:46:54   it's still a little bit of a bother is [TS]

00:46:56   it runs hourly and so for you like [TS]

00:47:00   working on a presentation and you hose [TS]

00:47:01   it in some way you want the backup you [TS]

00:47:03   can get the one from an hour ago but if [TS]

00:47:05   you just created this thing within the [TS]

00:47:06   current hour there are no backups of it [TS]

00:47:08   it's like oh how are that's not good [TS]

00:47:09   wine shake you know I wish I wish I had [TS]

00:47:12   backups every 5 minutes or 10 minutes [TS]

00:47:14   well remember all these snapshots take [TS]

00:47:16   up space because it basically says [TS]

00:47:17   everything that's on your disk right now [TS]

00:47:19   save it and so if you delete a bunch of [TS]

00:47:22   files they're still taking up space in [TS]

00:47:24   the snapshot right so I understand why [TS]

00:47:27   they don't want to do like a snapshot [TS]

00:47:28   every five minutes cuz you fill your [TS]

00:47:29   disk with snapshots even if they trim [TS]

00:47:30   them off the end so hourly is probably a [TS]

00:47:32   reasonable compromise but you know the I [TS]

00:47:35   mentioned TM you tell snapshot is like [TS]

00:47:37   well if you're paranoid you can set up a [TS]

00:47:39   cron job that runs TM util snapshot [TS]

00:47:41   every five minutes while you're on the [TS]

00:47:42   flight and you'll be saved that pain [TS]

00:47:45   just remember to turn off later that was [TS]

00:47:46   going to fill your disk but the [TS]

00:47:48   important thing is those snapshots [TS]

00:47:50   happen really really quickly and it's [TS]

00:47:53   got to be way more reliable and [TS]

00:47:55   efficient than all the weird stuff that [TS]

00:47:57   was going on before so this is a nice [TS]

00:47:58   upgrade for mobile time machine we [TS]

00:48:01   mentioned a couple shows ago hey when [TS]

00:48:03   will Apple release the version of Mac OS [TS]

00:48:05   that uses a us to make Time Machine [TS]

00:48:07   better this isn't that because it's only [TS]

00:48:09   for local backups but I assume in a [TS]

00:48:12   future version of the Mac operating [TS]

00:48:13   system assuming Apple continues along [TS]

00:48:17   this road that I guess you called remote [TS]

00:48:19   time machine you know actual Time [TS]

00:48:21   Machine backups to a different volume [TS]

00:48:22   hopefully on a different disk will use [TS]

00:48:26   the the smarts of a PFS to do something [TS]

00:48:28   intelligent I think they might be using [TS]

00:48:29   it now to just take the snapshot and [TS]

00:48:31   read from that snapshot to send to the [TS]

00:48:32   remote disk but it's not quite the same [TS]

00:48:34   thing as you can imagine like some more [TS]

00:48:36   deltas over oh it's changed I'm not [TS]

00:48:38   quite sure what they can do they can't [TS]

00:48:39   do the same thing to ZFS where you get [TS]

00:48:40   like block gifts and stuff like that [TS]

00:48:41   what's really cool but letting go is EFS [TS]

00:48:44   they want with a PFS so we got what we [TS]

00:48:46   got but anyway I feel like they can make [TS]

00:48:47   strides there as well we are sponsored [TS]

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00:49:05   are I've been with a lot of domain name [TS]

00:49:06   registrars before and I cannot tell you [TS]

00:49:09   I was very happy with pretty much any of [TS]

00:49:10   them and I've been happy at hover I've [TS]

00:49:12   been using them for a few years now long [TS]

00:49:14   long time actually and and I really am [TS]

00:49:16   very happy there and I don't you know [TS]

00:49:17   what when I transfer stuff into hover I [TS]

00:49:19   never transfer it out because hover the [TS]

00:49:21   the customer service is so much better [TS]

00:49:24   the interface is so much better what you [TS]

00:49:26   get for free is amazing you have free [TS]

00:49:29   who is privacy [TS]

00:49:30   no additional charge for that you have [TS]

00:49:33   lots of wonderful mail services that are [TS]

00:49:36   either free or very low cost you get [TS]

00:49:38   best-in-class support you can call them [TS]

00:49:40   on the phone if you want to if you have [TS]

00:49:42   any problems they can walk through [TS]

00:49:44   transfers for you [TS]

00:49:45   they have a valley transfer service they [TS]

00:49:47   will actually if you want to give them [TS]

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00:49:51   registrar they will actually transfer [TS]

00:49:52   for you if you want it is really an [TS]

00:49:54   incredible company they have great [TS]

00:49:56   service great support a great interface [TS]

00:49:59   for managing all your domain names and [TS]

00:50:01   great prices and so much stuff comes [TS]

00:50:03   built in for free like that who is [TS]

00:50:04   privacy feature nobody should ever [TS]

00:50:06   charge extra for that and hover doesn't [TS]

00:50:08   what they're doing now they want [TS]

00:50:10   everyone to see how great hover is so [TS]

00:50:11   they're running this promotion during [TS]

00:50:13   the month of June so you got to kind of [TS]

00:50:14   hurry up but during the month of June if [TS]

00:50:16   you go to hover comm slash transfer my [TS]

00:50:18   domain they will import if you if you [TS]

00:50:21   transfer to them you will get a 40% [TS]

00:50:23   discount on the depreciation fees and so [TS]

00:50:27   this is this gives you the 40% off the [TS]

00:50:29   additional year cost so when you [TS]

00:50:30   transfer domain you don't lose whatever [TS]

00:50:33   time you have already registered that [TS]

00:50:35   just gets added on to so you can [TS]

00:50:37   actually get a 40% discount on the next [TS]

00:50:39   year registration fee by transferring to [TS]

00:50:41   hover during the month of June so hurry [TS]

00:50:43   up transfer to hover today at to hover [TS]

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00:50:49   have any other time left don't worry [TS]

00:50:50   about it it will add on to your [TS]

00:50:51   registration at 40% off the regular [TS]

00:50:54   price this is a great deal I had this [TS]

00:50:56   just to check out Hut for today hover [TS]

00:50:57   comm slash transfer my domain join hover [TS]

00:51:00   today and see what [TS]

00:51:01   fuss is about thank you so much to hover [TS]

00:51:03   for sponsoring our show can we please do [TS]

00:51:10   a topic let's know we have two three [TS]

00:51:15   pages of follow-up left to do this is [TS]

00:51:17   this feels like we need to declare like [TS]

00:51:19   a follow up barrier and just like they [TS]

00:51:22   can go through we can go through them [TS]

00:51:24   quickly oh okay [TS]

00:51:26   start Oh challenge accepted start the [TS]

00:51:30   clock all right here we go [TS]

00:51:32   you two ready buckle up Matt bid all [TS]

00:51:35   frights iMac pros price comparisons PC [TS]

00:51:37   gamer had a handbill PC from parts image [TS]

00:51:39   that matches the iMac pro and spec it [TS]

00:51:41   cost four thousand six hundred eighty [TS]

00:51:43   six dollars versus Apple's 4999 Billy [TS]

00:51:46   flattery Wright's iMac model price [TS]

00:51:48   comparisons just notice you can't just [TS]

00:51:51   read the follow-up items that's not how [TS]

00:51:52   you go through quickly you have to have [TS]

00:51:54   to have commentary from everybody to [TS]

00:51:55   each item we just have abbreviated [TS]

00:51:58   commentary ya back opening price is fine [TS]

00:51:59   bill clarity go ahead bill you have to [TS]

00:52:05   happen Marco we try it's not just a race [TS]

00:52:07   to evening this is what you guys so far [TS]

00:52:09   this is the show so you think this [TS]

00:52:11   reading quickly is how you get through [TS]

00:52:13   it quickly how you get through it [TS]

00:52:13   quickly is by not having extended [TS]

00:52:15   conversations by saying one or two [TS]

00:52:17   though how we get through it quickly is [TS]

00:52:19   by not breathing when I'm reading at all [TS]

00:52:21   that's how we get through quickly I'm [TS]

00:52:22   going to I'm going to build some gills [TS]

00:52:24   and give them to myself that's how I [TS]

00:52:26   will show you if you'd like me to do the [TS]

00:52:28   next one I can do anyway I'm with roll [TS]

00:52:30   price comparison the thing I want to [TS]

00:52:32   point out here is anytime there's price [TS]

00:52:34   comparisons from one computer you know [TS]

00:52:36   the iMac Pro versus some PC that you [TS]

00:52:38   build it like hey if you match the the [TS]

00:52:40   specs of the iMac Pro you end up with a [TS]

00:52:42   pretty expensive PC to the obvious [TS]

00:52:44   little asterisks that's on all these [TS]

00:52:46   stories is no sane person would build a [TS]

00:52:49   PC like the iMac Pro because most people [TS]

00:52:53   who need likes a really big GPU for [TS]

00:52:55   gaming honking up at a Xeon and they're [TS]

00:52:57   not going to have a cc ram and they're [TS]

00:52:58   not going to have this really expensive [TS]

00:53:00   5k display so even though this price [TS]

00:53:03   comparison is right nobody know no PC [TS]

00:53:06   builder would build a PC like the iMac [TS]

00:53:08   Pro for most of the things that people [TS]

00:53:11   build pcs for because they would Taylor [TS]

00:53:14   build [TS]

00:53:14   it wouldn't be the most expensive best [TS]

00:53:16   everything you can put in the computer [TS]

00:53:18   they would decide I care about you I [TS]

00:53:21   care about ECC I care about the CPU do I [TS]

00:53:23   care about the 5k screen and it would [TS]

00:53:25   end up with less expensive machine [TS]

00:53:26   that's all I wanted to say that [TS]

00:53:27   so Billy Flaherty's he points out that [TS]

00:53:32   between the mid and high end IMAX not [TS]

00:53:35   the iMac Pro with IMAX with the same [TS]

00:53:37   configuration have the same price but [TS]

00:53:39   the high end has the better video is he [TS]

00:53:42   missing something and there's a [TS]

00:53:43   screenshot we will put his tweet in the [TS]

00:53:45   show notes yeah I mean look when you [TS]

00:53:46   play with a configurator sometimes [TS]

00:53:48   things don't make sense [TS]

00:53:49   oh well apples you know not always [TS]

00:53:51   perfect and we aren't always perfect [TS]

00:53:52   let's move on well that means the advice [TS]

00:53:54   here is if you're configuring a Mac try [TS]

00:53:57   config you know you click on one of them [TS]

00:53:59   in like pick three or whatever try the [TS]

00:54:00   other one too and try to match the specs [TS]

00:54:02   it's worth doing once or twice just to [TS]

00:54:04   make sure the prices aren't out of whack [TS]

00:54:06   bingo John you had volunteered to cover [TS]

00:54:09   this next piece oh it's because you [TS]

00:54:11   can't pronounce this victors last name [TS]

00:54:13   absolutely guess what [TS]

00:54:14   Victor wrote in to tell us that whole [TS]

00:54:17   kit protocol thank you now opened all [TS]

00:54:20   devs you can build a smart device using [TS]

00:54:23   Heidi Pratt said Arduino Arduino yeah I [TS]

00:54:27   believe that's right yeah and control it [TS]

00:54:29   buy a home kit without getting an MFI [TS]

00:54:30   license so this seems like oh great [TS]

00:54:32   Apple has opened up home kit and now you [TS]

00:54:34   don't have to go through all this owner [TS]

00:54:35   of stuff to get home kit certified but [TS]

00:54:38   this is twist right so this is for [TS]

00:54:39   interoperability people can build things [TS]

00:54:41   that are compatible with home kit and [TS]

00:54:43   you don't have to be an MFI made for [TS]

00:54:46   iPhone is that still what it stands for [TS]

00:54:47   is this made for iPod I don't know it [TS]

00:54:49   should be for made for iOS anyway you [TS]

00:54:51   don't have to get that license and this [TS]

00:54:55   is Apple's explanation say at a user [TS]

00:54:56   level differences will include the [TS]

00:54:57   process for onboarding and IP based [TS]

00:54:59   success rate to the network and a [TS]

00:55:01   warning dialog in iOS that the user must [TS]

00:55:03   acknowledge before continuing so yeah [TS]

00:55:05   you don't have to be certified as part [TS]

00:55:07   of the program and you can interoperate [TS]

00:55:08   right but you can't you won't have the [TS]

00:55:13   Apple authentication coprocessor or you [TS]

00:55:17   and you won't have the Wi-Fi Alliance [TS]

00:55:18   certification and the user of your [TS]

00:55:20   device will get a warning dialog so it's [TS]

00:55:22   not it's great for hackers it's like it [TS]

00:55:25   opened up hey if you want to mess with [TS]

00:55:26   something and you can bypass these [TS]

00:55:28   like when you right-click open something [TS]

00:55:29   on the Mac you know power users can do [TS]

00:55:32   it but it doesn't suddenly make homekit [TS]

00:55:34   a free-for-all for everybody in practice [TS]

00:55:37   if you want to be part of the home Kitty [TS]

00:55:38   ecosystem as the first classes and you [TS]

00:55:40   still have to go through all the old [TS]

00:55:41   stuff but this is nice for people who [TS]

00:55:42   just want to hack something the other to [TS]

00:55:44   get it working the App Store guidelines [TS]

00:55:47   have been updated to allow programming [TS]

00:55:48   environments and so put a link in the [TS]

00:55:50   show notes to this apps designed to [TS]

00:55:52   teach develop or test executable code [TS]

00:55:54   may in limited circumstances download [TS]

00:55:56   code provided that such code is not used [TS]

00:55:58   for other purposes such apps must make [TS]

00:56:00   the source code provided by the [TS]

00:56:01   application completely viewable and [TS]

00:56:03   editable by the user not surprising but [TS]

00:56:06   nevertheless somewhat interesting yeah [TS]

00:56:09   they've been against like hey no [TS]

00:56:11   programming environment such a long time [TS]

00:56:13   it's nice to see them turn the corner on [TS]

00:56:14   this does this mean that Xcode for iOS [TS]

00:56:17   is any closer No yeah you know it's the [TS]

00:56:19   same distance it's always been which i [TS]

00:56:20   think is actually pretty close but it [TS]

00:56:23   does mean that people trying to make [TS]

00:56:25   program compliance for iOS chrome [TS]

00:56:27   wearing programming environments for iOS [TS]

00:56:29   no longer have to deal with AB review [TS]

00:56:31   just summarily rejecting them because [TS]

00:56:33   they execute code from the internet or [TS]

00:56:35   whatever speaking of the App Store [TS]

00:56:37   reviews no longer reset on update but [TS]

00:56:41   may optionally do so do we not get to [TS]

00:56:43   this list episode I don't think so [TS]

00:56:45   exciting development an app starland [TS]

00:56:48   yeah short version is basically before [TS]

00:56:51   when you submit a new update to an app [TS]

00:56:52   all your reviews would reset you and you [TS]

00:56:55   have to click over like the all reviews [TS]

00:56:56   tab now there are no more two different [TS]

00:56:58   tabs now but there's only one set of [TS]

00:57:00   reviews and every time you submit a new [TS]

00:57:02   version you could now choose whether you [TS]

00:57:04   want your reviews to reset by default [TS]

00:57:05   they don't which is good so if you have [TS]

00:57:07   like a really huge buggy horrible [TS]

00:57:09   version your app and you get a whole [TS]

00:57:10   bunch of one stars and your next update [TS]

00:57:13   you want to reset the slate you can do [TS]

00:57:15   that but by default you're going to get [TS]

00:57:17   a whole bunch of reviews all mixed [TS]

00:57:18   together from all previous versions and [TS]

00:57:20   it'll be fine and you won't lose your [TS]

00:57:21   reins any more awesome [TS]

00:57:22   all right additionally with the App [TS]

00:57:24   Store the review API this this is for [TS]

00:57:28   developers to say hey why don't you go [TS]

00:57:30   review my app or rate my app or blah [TS]

00:57:31   blah blah they it's they had announced a [TS]

00:57:34   new API somewhat recently doesn't matter [TS]

00:57:36   exactly when a parent thank you but [TS]

00:57:38   apparently it is now mandatory [TS]

00:57:40   vote use use the provided API to prompt [TS]

00:57:43   users to review the your app this [TS]

00:57:45   functionality allows customers to [TS]

00:57:47   provide an app store rating and review [TS]

00:57:48   without the inconvenience leaving your [TS]

00:57:49   app and we will disallow custom review [TS]

00:57:52   prompts yet the only thing here is like [TS]

00:57:55   we don't know it doesn't they don't [TS]

00:57:56   actually say when they are disallowing [TS]

00:57:59   your own custom rate this app prompt and [TS]

00:58:02   they also don't say how they're actually [TS]

00:58:04   going to be enforcing this and they [TS]

00:58:07   probably not going to ever say that but [TS]

00:58:08   you know there's been rules against [TS]

00:58:10   using push notifications for promotional [TS]

00:58:12   or marketing purposes since the [TS]

00:58:14   beginning of push notifications and yet [TS]

00:58:16   if you look at pretty much everybody's [TS]

00:58:17   phone that isn't you know yours as a [TS]

00:58:20   computer nerd and maybe even yours [TS]

00:58:23   almost everyone else's phone always has [TS]

00:58:25   on the lock screen a notification from [TS]

00:58:27   some mass-market app that's like hey [TS]

00:58:30   these things are now on sale come buy [TS]

00:58:32   them now or something [TS]

00:58:33   those are against the rules they have [TS]

00:58:35   always been against the rules but Apple [TS]

00:58:37   has never enforced it because it's a [TS]

00:58:39   hard thing to enforce so this is one of [TS]

00:58:42   those things to are like are they [TS]

00:58:43   actually going to find a way to enforce [TS]

00:58:45   a ban on custom rate disapp dialogues [TS]

00:58:48   maybe but it sounds like you know what [TS]

00:58:51   are they going to do like have people [TS]

00:58:54   using the app inside Apple and hitting a [TS]

00:58:56   report button when an app does this [TS]

00:58:58   because it's not going to do it during [TS]

00:58:59   like the two minutes that they're [TS]

00:59:01   reviewing it during app review so I this [TS]

00:59:03   this sounds like something that it would [TS]

00:59:05   be nice I hope they can find a way to [TS]

00:59:07   enforce this but based on their rate of [TS]

00:59:09   enforcement on spam push notifications [TS]

00:59:11   I'm not hopeful no argument here there's [TS]

00:59:15   a question can we see iPad and Mac apps [TS]

00:59:18   on iPhone in the iOS 11 App Store [TS]

00:59:21   probably not if so it's a bug who cares [TS]

00:59:23   moving on Troad winterboard writes [TS]

00:59:26   previous keynotes you've discussed [TS]

00:59:28   apple's efforts for quality on stage [TS]

00:59:30   it's even more important to do so when [TS]

00:59:32   it's as bad as this year was it that bad [TS]

00:59:34   did I miss like it was pretty bad like [TS]

00:59:36   think it can you think back to who you [TS]

00:59:39   saw on stage during the keynote did you [TS]

00:59:41   see anybody except for white guys there [TS]

00:59:43   were a couple of women but it was I [TS]

00:59:44   think it was a worse ratio than usual [TS]

00:59:47   yeah and as we discussed in the past [TS]

00:59:49   like this is not the type of thing that [TS]

00:59:52   you can easily solve [TS]

00:59:54   in a year because it's not like you're [TS]

00:59:55   going to fire all your senior executives [TS]

00:59:57   and bring up other people like what you [TS]

00:59:59   want to happen [TS]

00:59:59   want to happen [TS]

01:00:00   but is the people who are in charge of [TS]

01:00:02   the things that are being announced like [TS]

01:00:04   you know the people who are most [TS]

01:00:05   responsible for them get to get up there [TS]

01:00:07   and show off their thing and you would [TS]

01:00:09   hope the people in charge of the [TS]

01:00:11   important things at Apple have a [TS]

01:00:13   reasonable ratio you know some kind of [TS]

01:00:16   diversity that you know that it reflects [TS]

01:00:20   the the diversity that you want your [TS]

01:00:21   company to have at Apple's top executive [TS]

01:00:24   ranks the diversity is not that great [TS]

01:00:26   and so every time there is a product [TS]

01:00:28   that is announced for you know you this [TS]

01:00:33   is your department come and talk about [TS]

01:00:34   it guess what it's another you know grey [TS]

01:00:35   haired white guy and so you know it's [TS]

01:00:39   good to mix in other people for other [TS]

01:00:42   portions like they brought up someone to [TS]

01:00:45   do demos for example or if you get third [TS]

01:00:47   party people up there I mean they're [TS]

01:00:49   faced with the same problem because who [TS]

01:00:50   knows who's running this third party [TS]

01:00:51   companies as well but it's a thing that [TS]

01:00:55   I'm sure Apple is watching and and I [TS]

01:00:57   think you know we should at least be [TS]

01:00:59   continued to be cognizant of it as well [TS]

01:01:01   I don't know what the solution is other [TS]

01:01:03   than to for Apple to continue its [TS]

01:01:05   efforts to hire and promote all [TS]

01:01:09   different kinds of people instead of [TS]

01:01:10   making it an old boys club I'm now [TS]

01:01:14   disappointed myself because I usually am [TS]

01:01:17   at least basically aware of in a broad [TS]

01:01:20   strokes how good or bad it was and I [TS]

01:01:21   really didn't think it was this it was [TS]

01:01:23   that bad this years and I must be wrong [TS]

01:01:24   but I feel like I remember a handful of [TS]

01:01:27   women up there certainly not in the [TS]

01:01:29   executive roles but nevertheless so [TS]

01:01:31   that's that's a one demerit for me [TS]

01:01:32   apparently [TS]

01:01:33   well it's like that thing where they say [TS]

01:01:35   like you know people's perception was [TS]

01:01:38   the one with people talking if you're in [TS]

01:01:41   a meeting and you ask the men in the [TS]

01:01:42   meeting what percentage of the time were [TS]

01:01:44   women talking about percentage of time [TS]

01:01:45   were men we're talking the men will say [TS]

01:01:46   it was about 50/50 when in reality was [TS]

01:01:48   like 15% [TS]

01:01:50   the women were talking right and 85% of [TS]

01:01:53   the men were talking that seems like [TS]

01:01:55   50/50 to men I figure with the exact [TS]

01:01:56   numbers but it was some absurd amount [TS]

01:01:57   that men perceive it to be equal when [TS]

01:02:00   women get a fraction of the time and if [TS]

01:02:02   women even start to approach like a [TS]

01:02:04   quarter of the time or half of the time [TS]

01:02:06   then men perceive it as the women [TS]

01:02:08   talking all the time and don't get a [TS]

01:02:10   chance at all it should and it's just [TS]

01:02:11   what you're used to right it's you know [TS]

01:02:12   so if you're used to seeing [TS]

01:02:13   which is literally three well-known [TS]

01:02:16   white guys who we see every single year [TS]

01:02:19   and there's one women you're like wow is [TS]

01:02:21   50% women this time it really was like [TS]

01:02:23   one one out of three other white guys so [TS]

01:02:25   that's you know that's just something to [TS]

01:02:27   be aware of in terms of cognitive biases [TS]

01:02:30   that it all depends on what you used to [TS]

01:02:32   know where you're coming from so the [TS]

01:02:33   perception that it was not that bad and [TS]

01:02:36   was you know it seemed like it was [TS]

01:02:37   pretty even it's just based on what [TS]

01:02:39   you're used to seeing and if it was [TS]

01:02:40   different than what you're used to we [TS]

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01:04:52   do it even with the middle part where [TS]

01:04:53   Casey's trying to speed run through it [TS]

01:04:55   and I had to scold him even with that [TS]

01:04:56   that's done got through pretty quickly [TS]

01:04:58   I'm so sorry dad [TS]

01:04:59   so Casey mm-hmm you have a new Mac in [TS]

01:05:04   your family I do it's a baby Mac you got [TS]

01:05:08   a baby Mac in your family [TS]

01:05:09   congratulations it is an adorable baby [TS]

01:05:11   Mac isn't it yes I think I spoke about [TS]

01:05:15   at the live show that we just mentioned [TS]

01:05:16   that I had placed an order for a MacBook [TS]

01:05:19   adorable for those who are not aware of [TS]

01:05:21   the lingo which by the way was it you or [TS]

01:05:23   gray that coined MacBook adorable I'm [TS]

01:05:26   gray so it was great okay I call it the [TS]

01:05:27   MacBook one and it's ready yeah I mostly [TS]

01:05:30   stopped doing that recently because I [TS]

01:05:32   feel like now it's been long enough that [TS]

01:05:34   I can you can just hit the 12-inch [TS]

01:05:35   MacBook now so that's I just call it the [TS]

01:05:37   12-inch MacBook now but CGP grey on [TS]

01:05:40   hello Internet or was it cortex I forget [TS]

01:05:43   on window and cortex um yeah I think it [TS]

01:05:45   was over cortex anyway on cortex Gray [TS]

01:05:47   was the one who coined the term MacBook [TS]

01:05:49   adorable and then you know Mike and you [TS]

01:05:51   stole it I don't think anyone else calls [TS]

01:05:54   it that among our podcaster friends but [TS]

01:05:56   yeah regardless the 12-inch MacBook [TS]

01:05:58   MacBook adorable slash MacBook one [TS]

01:06:01   indeed so when Apple announced that they [TS]

01:06:06   had refreshed them at the WDC keynote [TS]

01:06:08   which was mildly surprising to me I know [TS]

01:06:10   a lot of people had said oh it's coming [TS]

01:06:11   it's coming it's coming but I I wasn't [TS]

01:06:14   so sure at this point every time Apple [TS]

01:06:16   refreshes a Mac it's mildly surprising [TS]

01:06:18   yeah that's actually pretty accurate but [TS]

01:06:20   on yeah so within hours I had placed an [TS]

01:06:24   order for my MacBook adorable it arrived [TS]

01:06:28   Thursday of last week so the day after [TS]

01:06:30   we recorded I don't recall when the [TS]

01:06:32   episode went out but it arrived after we [TS]

01:06:34   recorded and I have been using it on and [TS]

01:06:37   off for the last you know four days [TS]

01:06:38   whatever it is we're recording on the [TS]

01:06:40   following Monday [TS]

01:06:41   and I have to say so far I freaking love [TS]

01:06:45   this thing because imagine how amazing [TS]

01:06:48   it would be to have a computer the saw [TS]

01:06:51   or a device the size of an iPad but it's [TS]

01:06:55   a computer so we can button a no no no [TS]

01:07:00   you're gonna hear not it it's not a toy [TS]

01:07:03   it's not a thing there's no there's no [TS]

01:07:06   ball and chain involved asterisk there's [TS]

01:07:09   no ball and chain there it's a full-on [TS]

01:07:12   computer that can do prepare yourselves [TS]

01:07:14   computer e things amazing you know what [TS]

01:07:18   I did just a few minutes ago I [TS]

01:07:20   transcoded something on ffmpeg did you [TS]

01:07:22   hear it [TS]

01:07:23   no why because was slower than dirt but [TS]

01:07:25   also because there's no fans because [TS]

01:07:28   there's no fans of this device are you [TS]

01:07:30   sure it's done [TS]

01:07:31   it is done it took forever it was [TS]

01:07:34   running it like 1/2 X whereas since my [TS]

01:07:36   MacBook Pro would do it at like 1 and [TS]

01:07:38   1/2 X and I haven't done this on my iMac [TS]

01:07:40   in a long time but um but anyway I all [TS]

01:07:43   kidding aside I I do love this thing it [TS]

01:07:44   is not without problems but I do love it [TS]

01:07:47   it is unbelievably light and I picked up [TS]

01:07:50   Aaron's MacBook Air which is several [TS]

01:07:53   years old now but I mean obviously the [TS]

01:07:54   nothing has changed on the MacBook Air [TS]

01:07:56   except that megahertz boosts that it got [TS]

01:07:58   so her MacBook Air is a aircraft carrier [TS]

01:08:02   by comparison it is mammoth by [TS]

01:08:04   comparison weighs a ton and in fact just [TS]

01:08:06   the other just this morning I was [TS]

01:08:09   carrying my beloved iPad Mini which is [TS]

01:08:11   also ancient and also effectively brand [TS]

01:08:13   new funny how that works and I was [TS]

01:08:15   carrying my iPad Mini and my MacBook [TS]

01:08:17   adorable and it occurred to me based on [TS]

01:08:19   no facts based on just what it felt like [TS]

01:08:21   in my hand [TS]

01:08:22   it felt like my third-generation iPad [TS]

01:08:25   you know the one that John and I both [TS]

01:08:27   had that we both loved that was the that [TS]

01:08:30   was the the first of the retina iPads [TS]

01:08:32   which kind of weighed ton kind of [TS]

01:08:34   overheated a lot the combination of my [TS]

01:08:36   MacBook adorable and my iPad felt like [TS]

01:08:39   roughly the same weight as the full-size [TS]

01:08:42   iPad from a few years ago the keyboard [TS]

01:08:45   there are pluses and minuses overall I [TS]

01:08:49   would say I like it I absolutely do not [TS]

01:08:53   love it like I do the magic [TS]

01:08:55   bored if it had 20 to 30% more travel I [TS]

01:09:00   think I would start moving toward love [TS]

01:09:03   and it's hard to describe because it's a [TS]

01:09:08   weird um it's a weird turn of phrase but [TS]

01:09:12   it feels more stable this keyboard then [TS]

01:09:16   perhaps even my beloved magic keyboard [TS]

01:09:18   like the keys [TS]

01:09:20   just don't move laterally in the way [TS]

01:09:24   that's certainly my MacBook Pro does my [TS]

01:09:26   MacBook Pro is effectively unusable that [TS]

01:09:29   keyboard right now because between the [TS]

01:09:31   magic keyboard a nice keyboard the [TS]

01:09:32   MacBook Pro is like it's like typing on [TS]

01:09:35   it you know the MacBook Pro keyboards [TS]

01:09:38   not that not the new fancy-pants ones [TS]

01:09:40   I'm talking about before the scissor [TS]

01:09:41   switches the MacBook Pro keyboard are [TS]

01:09:44   the Lexus IS of keyboards they are the [TS]

01:09:47   marshmallows of keyboards it's like [TS]

01:09:49   typing on pillows I don't mean that in [TS]

01:09:51   the like ah comfortable way I mean that [TS]

01:09:53   in the oh god this feels gross way I [TS]

01:09:56   like those keyboard pillows comfortable [TS]

01:09:58   it's Python you can buy all the keys and [TS]

01:10:00   you know you can feel where the arrow [TS]

01:10:01   keys are without looking or missing the [TS]

01:10:03   row no no I so first of all I think it's [TS]

01:10:08   hilarious how many people have yelled at [TS]

01:10:11   me for complaining about the new [TS]

01:10:14   keyboard so much when even the fit [TS]

01:10:17   basically if you're a fan of the new [TS]

01:10:19   keyboard you will tend to complain that [TS]

01:10:21   much about the old one so either way [TS]

01:10:24   it's like because the new keyboard is so [TS]

01:10:26   different from the old ones if you like [TS]

01:10:29   the new one you're going to complain [TS]

01:10:30   with the old one and vice versa [TS]

01:10:31   I think that's mostly true however I [TS]

01:10:34   only dislike the old one [TS]

01:10:36   in retrospect because at the time I [TS]

01:10:39   thought was a perfectly fine keyboard [TS]

01:10:40   it's just now I've seen the light and [TS]

01:10:43   now I don't ever want to type on that [TS]

01:10:44   mushy marshmallow a disgusting mess ever [TS]

01:10:47   again but no I do love this MacBook [TS]

01:10:49   adorable [TS]

01:10:51   I don't feel generally speaking that [TS]

01:10:54   it's particularly slow I have done a [TS]

01:10:55   little bit of Xcode on it I've done some [TS]

01:10:58   basically you know some basic computing [TS]

01:11:01   tasks in to be fair this thing is never [TS]

01:11:03   really intended to be a powerhouse right [TS]

01:11:05   it's intended to be a travel computer [TS]

01:11:07   it's intended to be in around the [TS]

01:11:08   house computer it's an intended to be [TS]

01:11:10   basically a I don't want to use my work [TS]

01:11:13   computer or I don't want to be sitting [TS]

01:11:15   in my in-home office computer computer [TS]

01:11:18   oh it's for anywhere that's not either [TS]

01:11:21   my actual office or the office in my [TS]

01:11:24   house everywhere else I would be using [TS]

01:11:26   this I do still use my iPad from time to [TS]

01:11:28   time and for better or worse as much as [TS]

01:11:31   I snark like I I absolutely believe that [TS]

01:11:34   you can get worked on on an iPad for me [TS]

01:11:36   as I've said before and I was joking [TS]

01:11:37   earlier but for me every time I use an [TS]

01:11:40   iPad to do work and define work however [TS]

01:11:43   you would like [TS]

01:11:44   but the sorts of work that I do I either [TS]

01:11:47   can't do it on an iPad because there is [TS]

01:11:49   no Xcode on an iPad or it's it would be [TS]

01:11:53   considerably more difficult because [TS]

01:11:54   something like transcoding a video and [TS]

01:11:56   ffmpeg which I do way more often than [TS]

01:11:58   any normal human should I would have to [TS]

01:12:00   you know remote into my iMac and do it [TS]

01:12:02   that way and might the particular iPad I [TS]

01:12:04   have doesn't have a keyboard attached to [TS]

01:12:06   it and so for me any time I try to [TS]

01:12:09   accomplish anything on the iPad it [TS]

01:12:11   genuinely feels like I have a ball and [TS]

01:12:13   chain attached to me I'm not saying [TS]

01:12:15   that's true for you Mike it's okay you [TS]

01:12:17   don't have to yell at me but for for me [TS]

01:12:20   that is true and so having an actual [TS]

01:12:23   friggin computer that can do anything [TS]

01:12:27   that's as light in portable as an iPad [TS]

01:12:30   in my personal opinion is amazing and I [TS]

01:12:34   love this thing the one thing I'm not [TS]

01:12:37   sure I love is the one part of the [TS]

01:12:40   macbook one because by and large I [TS]

01:12:43   actually don't mind having only one port [TS]

01:12:45   I mean I'm pouring one out for MagSafe [TS]

01:12:48   because man do I love MagSafe but [TS]

01:12:50   generally I don't really mind having one [TS]

01:12:53   port I've gotten two or three I think [TS]

01:12:56   three dongles I have a I think it's [TS]

01:13:00   anchor we'll put links in the show notes [TS]

01:13:01   it's in its I believe it's an anchor a [TS]

01:13:04   device that has three traditional USB [TS]

01:13:07   what is that USB a I always get wrong um [TS]

01:13:09   thank you three USB a ports and a [TS]

01:13:12   Gigabit Ethernet jack or port connector [TS]

01:13:15   whatever interface on it but it does not [TS]

01:13:17   have pass-through power [TS]

01:13:20   and that's a bummer so as an example [TS]

01:13:23   when I wanted to do my initial time [TS]

01:13:25   machine back up I had to make sure that [TS]

01:13:27   this damn thing was topped up because [TS]

01:13:29   otherwise I wasn't gonna make it and [TS]

01:13:30   there's like not that much data on this [TS]

01:13:33   thing to begin with so that's [TS]

01:13:35   uncomfortable and that's something I've [TS]

01:13:37   never had to worry about before and [TS]

01:13:38   that's kind of frustrating if this [TS]

01:13:41   particular device of this particular [TS]

01:13:43   Ethernet adapter had passed through [TS]

01:13:45   power that would go away [TS]

01:13:47   I got a SD card reader I don't often [TS]

01:13:51   take pictures off my camera I almost [TS]

01:13:54   never do it on the road but I want to [TS]

01:13:57   have the ability to do so I don't lament [TS]

01:13:59   the fact that there's not an SD card [TS]

01:14:01   slot on the device would I like it [TS]

01:14:03   of course how much my card reader thirty [TS]

01:14:06   bucks [TS]

01:14:07   twelve I think from mana price and I've [TS]

01:14:09   already used it and it works it was very [TS]

01:14:12   very cheap would I preferred to be on [TS]

01:14:15   the on the computer of course but am i [TS]

01:14:17   bitter about it not being now it's very [TS]

01:14:19   small it was like twelve or thirteen [TS]

01:14:21   dollars again I'll put a link in the [TS]

01:14:22   show notes and it seems to work just [TS]

01:14:23   fine [TS]

01:14:24   yeah just add it to your dongle bag that [TS]

01:14:26   we all have to carry now and that's the [TS]

01:14:27   thing like yes in I do have to have a [TS]

01:14:30   dongle bag the other thing I got was a [TS]

01:14:31   HDMI adapter which does have passed [TS]

01:14:35   through power and this particular one [TS]

01:14:37   also has a single USB a port on it so [TS]

01:14:41   that's probably going to be my [TS]

01:14:42   general-purpose adapter because it has [TS]

01:14:45   passed through power it has USB a and it [TS]

01:14:48   has HDMI so it has any of the things I [TS]

01:14:50   would typically want to have while [TS]

01:14:54   having passed through power the only [TS]

01:14:55   thing it doesn't have is Ethernet so I [TS]

01:14:57   guess maybe in retrospect I should have [TS]

01:14:58   gotten a a USB a Ethernet adapter but [TS]

01:15:02   presumably would have been speed limited [TS]

01:15:04   whatever it doesn't matter but to your [TS]

01:15:06   point I have yet to order but plan to [TS]

01:15:08   order a a small little I forget the name [TS]

01:15:11   of it but a Tom bin bag that I can put [TS]

01:15:13   all of these little dongles in and have [TS]

01:15:15   my USB C dongle bag there's not that [TS]

01:15:17   many of them I don't feel like I need [TS]

01:15:19   anymore [TS]

01:15:20   but I needed them well for the name of [TS]

01:15:24   portability you now need to dongle back [TS]

01:15:25   I have one too and for the same reason [TS]

01:15:27   because like I use these new computers [TS]

01:15:30   now when I'm when traveling and well you [TS]

01:15:32   just kind of [TS]

01:15:33   need that I mean the one thing so before [TS]

01:15:37   it before I make you continue and tell [TS]

01:15:38   me all about how more stuff about this I [TS]

01:15:40   do want to interject one brief thing [TS]

01:15:41   here and that is that even even that [TS]

01:15:44   I've been using the MacBook Escape as my [TS]

01:15:46   computer for this role the methylase [TS]

01:15:48   cave has only two ports and I have found [TS]

01:15:50   that to be incredibly inconvenient more [TS]

01:15:54   often than I expected and so to go from [TS]

01:15:57   to well so for example during our live [TS]

01:15:59   stream the the MacBook Escape was was my [TS]

01:16:02   computer that I was it was doing the [TS]

01:16:05   live broadcast it was playing sound [TS]

01:16:09   effects into this into the PA system for [TS]

01:16:11   like our you know add bumpers and stuff [TS]

01:16:13   and and it was you know back of [TS]

01:16:15   recording reels anyway so I was using it [TS]

01:16:17   because we were in like a room full of [TS]

01:16:19   laptops and nerds I didn't want to rely [TS]

01:16:22   on Wi-Fi so I had an Ethernet connection [TS]

01:16:24   for the live streaming internet [TS]

01:16:26   connection so that's Ethernet takes up [TS]

01:16:28   one of the dog or one of the spots the [TS]

01:16:29   audio interface because there's no more [TS]

01:16:31   audio line-in functionality in any in [TS]

01:16:34   any mac except for the Mac Mini anymore [TS]

01:16:35   I don't know why except just to save [TS]

01:16:38   money I guess I line in used to come on [TS]

01:16:41   every computer I don't know why Apple [TS]

01:16:43   decided nobody needs line anymore [TS]

01:16:45   because it's really cheap to add it's [TS]

01:16:47   really cheap to be there it doesn't take [TS]

01:16:49   a lot of space it's just it's just [TS]

01:16:50   another headphone jack [TS]

01:16:51   it stays room for that why isn't the [TS]

01:16:52   room for a wine in but whatever the [TS]

01:16:54   reason Apple decides that computers [TS]

01:16:56   don't need line in Jack's anymore [TS]

01:16:58   so you need an entire audio interface or [TS]

01:17:02   USB sound card or something if you want [TS]

01:17:03   a line in on a computer so anyway [TS]

01:17:06   Ethernet in one port line in audio [TS]

01:17:10   interface on the other port that's it [TS]

01:17:11   and I also wanted power so and what so I [TS]

01:17:15   have a few options here I can get some [TS]

01:17:18   kind of dongle and I actually bought the [TS]

01:17:20   Apple dongle that is the the expensive [TS]

01:17:23   like $70 one that has the one HDMI port [TS]

01:17:27   one USB a port and a charging [TS]

01:17:29   pass-through that that's basically what [TS]

01:17:31   I have but a but a cheap knockoff right [TS]

01:17:33   and the reason I bought the Apple one is [TS]

01:17:36   because I was using this in production [TS]

01:17:38   like in a live show with a thousand [TS]

01:17:41   people in the room sure I did not want [TS]

01:17:43   any part of that thing to fail the other [TS]

01:17:45   problem is that that's a USB a port on [TS]

01:17:48   there and so one thing one thing that's [TS]

01:17:50   very interesting as I found as I'm [TS]

01:17:51   trying to convert to a USBC lifestyle as [TS]

01:17:54   much as I can just for my own [TS]

01:17:55   convenience when traveling trying to [TS]

01:17:56   make it as much as we stuff as possible [TS]

01:17:57   and actually listener Remy wrote in I'm [TS]

01:18:01   not sure he didn't say whether we can [TS]

01:18:02   use his last name so I'm not going to [TS]

01:18:04   listen to Remy wrote in a few days ago [TS]

01:18:06   basically pointing out this this problem [TS]

01:18:08   in the USB see ego system right now that [TS]

01:18:10   as far as he could tell and I agree as [TS]

01:18:12   far as I can tell is anybody making hubs [TS]

01:18:14   that convert a USB C port two more USB [TS]

01:18:18   seaports yeah that was a very [TS]

01:18:21   interesting point and I'm sure that [TS]

01:18:23   there is one some way or maybe there's [TS]

01:18:25   many but I certainly have not stumbled [TS]

01:18:26   across one yeah neither and like and [TS]

01:18:28   actually the LG 5k monitor is one such [TS]

01:18:31   thing but I I'm not aware of any [TS]

01:18:34   standalone hubs that like you convert [TS]

01:18:37   one USB C port to like four USB ports [TS]

01:18:40   like I've never I have not seen that one [TS]

01:18:42   of the problems with the USB C lifestyle [TS]

01:18:44   is what I was facing with this Apple [TS]

01:18:45   dongle which is like okay so I have a [TS]

01:18:48   USBC cable for my sound interface and I [TS]

01:18:50   have a USB C Ethernet adapter and I have [TS]

01:18:52   a USB C power adapter the Apple dongle [TS]

01:18:57   thing only converts one to one on C so [TS]

01:19:01   it has an a port but then I then I need [TS]

01:19:03   to have an AE thinner adapter which I [TS]

01:19:06   don't have I haven't had it since the [TS]

01:19:07   MacBook Air I can move the sound card to [TS]

01:19:09   that but I wasn't sure I want something [TS]

01:19:11   as critical as the sound card to be [TS]

01:19:13   going through a dongle with a weird [TS]

01:19:14   little mini hub in it so the USB C [TS]

01:19:18   ecosystem is actually kind of hard to [TS]

01:19:21   fully adopt right now because you can't [TS]

01:19:24   generally as far as we can tell you [TS]

01:19:26   can't multiply USB C ports you might [TS]

01:19:28   think oh good my computer has two or [TS]

01:19:30   four or in your case one USB C port but [TS]

01:19:33   that also replaces the power port [TS]

01:19:35   so like that well if you actually want [TS]

01:19:40   to be plugged into power you just lost a [TS]

01:19:42   port which might be your only one or at [TS]

01:19:44   least so now you're down from two to one [TS]

01:19:46   so like if you've if you've been [TS]

01:19:48   accustomed to most Apple laptops for the [TS]

01:19:51   last many years have generally had two [TS]

01:19:54   USB ports on them and you could be [TS]

01:19:56   plugged into power and also have two USB [TS]

01:19:57   things plugged [TS]

01:19:58   well now you're down to on the MacBook [TS]

01:20:00   one you run to zero on the MacBook [TS]

01:20:02   escape you have one if you're plugged in [TS]

01:20:04   and so like it's and and if you actually [TS]

01:20:08   try if you actually spend the lots of [TS]

01:20:10   money on one of the Apple dongles or the [TS]

01:20:12   less money but still money on one of the [TS]

01:20:14   third-party ones that by the way if you [TS]

01:20:16   look at Amazon reviews for third-party [TS]

01:20:19   USB see hubs and dongles and things [TS]

01:20:22   the reviews are all over the map and [TS]

01:20:25   most of them seem like they're at best [TS]

01:20:27   inconsistent maybe unreliable they they [TS]

01:20:31   have a lot of problems it seems and [TS]

01:20:33   they're probably all using this we have [TS]

01:20:34   one of a very small number of chipsets [TS]

01:20:36   and things maybe those are the problems [TS]

01:20:37   who knows what the problem is but [TS]

01:20:38   regardless it's a problem like if if you [TS]

01:20:41   want to reliably multiply these ports [TS]

01:20:44   it's really hard to do that so that's [TS]

01:20:47   that's a big problem and and your now [TS]

01:20:50   that you're in this useless to me you're [TS]

01:20:51   going to find that as well anyway so [TS]

01:20:52   what I ended up doing for our live show [TS]

01:20:54   I just ran on battery power the whole [TS]

01:20:56   time which is a terrible solution and [TS]

01:20:59   the MacBook Escape which has amazing [TS]

01:21:01   battery power but you're not doing much [TS]

01:21:03   ghostwrote goes from you know twelve [TS]

01:21:06   hours battery life when you're like [TS]

01:21:07   casually browsing Safari to if you're [TS]

01:21:10   actually like running stuff off of it it [TS]

01:21:12   goes to about three hours of battery [TS]

01:21:14   life and that's not great it when you're [TS]

01:21:18   running a podcast like this one uh so [TS]

01:21:22   deep it was like it you know I so I was [TS]

01:21:24   basically juggling like before the show [TS]

01:21:25   I would like you know unplug the sound [TS]

01:21:27   card and plug in power for a while and [TS]

01:21:29   then right before we started like you [TS]

01:21:31   know yank that out like switch over [TS]

01:21:32   bidding then you can't test things it it [TS]

01:21:34   was a it was actually really incredibly [TS]

01:21:36   inconvenient and that was that was one [TS]

01:21:38   of the first times besides on my [TS]

01:21:39   keyboard stopped working that was one of [TS]

01:21:42   the first times what I actually did [TS]

01:21:44   regret having the escape because having [TS]

01:21:46   only two ports is incredibly in [TS]

01:21:50   community and and this is not the first [TS]

01:21:51   time that this has been inconvenient for [TS]

01:21:52   me but having one port I imagine for you [TS]

01:21:56   is is even worse yeah it is innocent I [TS]

01:22:00   think if this was my only computer it [TS]

01:22:02   would get really ugly really quickly and [TS]

01:22:04   I would probably have some sort of [TS]

01:22:06   ridiculous dock but again the whole [TS]

01:22:07   point of this machine is to be super [TS]

01:22:10   portable and so [TS]

01:22:12   what I ended up with was $80 worth of [TS]

01:22:15   dongles and cables there evening so the [TS]

01:22:18   Lightning I didn't mention previously [TS]

01:22:20   but I got a lightning USBC cable off [TS]

01:22:23   Amazon again and knock off that was [TS]

01:22:25   eight bucks the HDMI adapter which is [TS]

01:22:27   basically the same thing that add that [TS]

01:22:28   Apple sells except a knockoff from from [TS]

01:22:30   on a price that was 30 bucks the SD card [TS]

01:22:33   reader was twelve dollars and the [TS]

01:22:35   ethernet thing was $30 and so it's a [TS]

01:22:37   total of 80 bucks [TS]

01:22:38   roughly I'll have links in the show [TS]

01:22:40   notes all of these seem to work fine [TS]

01:22:42   they're not terribly large they seem to [TS]

01:22:44   work okay if this was my only computer [TS]

01:22:47   I'd be really grumpy and bitter but [TS]

01:22:49   since it's not in since I'm not going to [TS]

01:22:50   be doing terribly challenging difficult [TS]

01:22:52   tasks on it for the most part it's it's [TS]

01:22:55   really not bad at all and I see where [TS]

01:22:59   USBC will be pretty cool and the reason [TS]

01:23:02   I can see that is I wanted to try out my [TS]

01:23:06   HDMI cable and so I brought the the [TS]

01:23:09   MacBook adorable downstairs I hooked up [TS]

01:23:12   an HDMI cable to the TV hooked up that [TS]

01:23:14   cable to the dongle hooked up the dongle [TS]

01:23:16   to the MacBook and then I thought to [TS]

01:23:19   myself I wonder if I can power this all [TS]

01:23:21   at the same time just to see because I [TS]

01:23:22   thought for a minute I would like maybe [TS]

01:23:24   watch a movie off of it just to see if [TS]

01:23:26   it would work and it occurred to me wait [TS]

01:23:29   a second my switch dock is right here as [TS]

01:23:33   is my pro controller charging cable I [TS]

01:23:38   wonder if in Shore not it wasn't [TS]

01:23:41   actively charging the MacBook but it was [TS]

01:23:45   at least slightly keeping it afloat by [TS]

01:23:48   taking the charging cable for the pro [TS]

01:23:52   controller on the switch which I believe [TS]

01:23:53   is USB a two USB C so comes out of the [TS]

01:23:57   switches USB a goes into the pro [TS]

01:23:59   controller or in my case the MacBook as [TS]

01:24:01   USB see and it seemed to work and I'm [TS]

01:24:05   sure over hours it would eventually [TS]

01:24:07   drain my battery but it was very wild [TS]

01:24:10   that that was an acceptable way of doing [TS]

01:24:12   things and additionally I was talking to [TS]

01:24:13   underscore who has one of these as his [TS]

01:24:15   travel computers far as I'm aware anyway [TS]

01:24:17   and he was saying that what you can do [TS]

01:24:19   is you can issue the the actual charging [TS]

01:24:23   brick that came with it which by the way [TS]

01:24:24   eight to my eyes looks barely any bigger [TS]

01:24:27   than the you the the iPad charging brick [TS]

01:24:30   that's been the iPad charging brick [TS]

01:24:32   forever I understand there's one that [TS]

01:24:33   works with the iPad blah blah blah or [TS]

01:24:35   the same one with the right cable that [TS]

01:24:36   works with the iPad but this thing the [TS]

01:24:38   charging brick is comically small well [TS]

01:24:39   anyways what underscore was saying was [TS]

01:24:42   just use like one of your anchor or [TS]

01:24:44   whatever USB a like hubs that does [TS]

01:24:47   nothing but charge just let the thing [TS]

01:24:49   run sit overnight suspended charging and [TS]

01:24:52   it'll be just fine it'll be topped up by [TS]

01:24:54   the morning and I don't know if I [TS]

01:24:56   necessarily need to go to that route but [TS]

01:24:58   the foot but the fact that that's an [TS]

01:24:59   option that's super cool so I can see [TS]

01:25:01   how this USBC lifestyle could be awesome [TS]

01:25:04   but it's definitely not a hundred [TS]

01:25:06   percent awesome yet I don't know now [TS]

01:25:09   John you haven't gotten your new [TS]

01:25:10   computer for work yet right no they [TS]

01:25:12   notified me about it they said hey we're [TS]

01:25:14   going to buy the new ones guess what and [TS]

01:25:16   then they started giving me flak about [TS]

01:25:18   wanting a one terabyte drive because it [TS]

01:25:19   cost a bazillion dollars from Apple so [TS]

01:25:21   we're working on it why do you need a [TS]

01:25:24   one terabyte drive for work a lot of [TS]

01:25:25   virtual machines I asked me the same [TS]

01:25:26   question why I need such a big drive of [TS]

01:25:28   it but you have unlimited space on [TS]

01:25:29   Microsoft onedrive or blah blah blah [TS]

01:25:32   like you know when I'm are on a virtual [TS]

01:25:33   machine off of there why do you have so [TS]

01:25:34   many virtual machines well because I do [TS]

01:25:36   we're doing local development and back [TS]

01:25:38   and docker runs in a virtual machine [TS]

01:25:41   virtual machines for other kinds of [TS]

01:25:42   flavors of Linux and it's just the way [TS]

01:25:44   it is so you sound just like them what [TS]

01:25:47   do you need all this stuff like this is [TS]

01:25:48   what I got as soon as you said VM the [TS]

01:25:50   conversation was over for me and it's [TS]

01:25:52   not is it yeah it's not just one VM and [TS]

01:25:53   like the try to go in something you [TS]

01:25:55   can't run a VM off like onedrive or [TS]

01:25:56   Google Drive for me good but you'll just [TS]

01:25:58   be painful so we'll see how that goes [TS]

01:26:01   but and also like one of the big reasons [TS]

01:26:03   is like you can never upgrade it I think [TS]

01:26:06   that's that's a segue that is all [TS]

01:26:09   justification you need like if you are [TS]

01:26:11   buying an Apple laptop or at most Macs [TS]

01:26:13   today actually if you're buying a Mac [TS]

01:26:15   data it does not have a gradable storage [TS]

01:26:17   then the answer to why do you need the [TS]

01:26:20   terabyte is literally like you can never [TS]

01:26:24   upgrade this so if you want this laptop [TS]

01:26:26   to last however many years that you [TS]

01:26:28   intend it to last you have to really get [TS]

01:26:31   as much storage as you can afford [TS]

01:26:32   because that is one like barrier just [TS]

01:26:34   run into and [TS]

01:26:36   that's like you could never change it [TS]

01:26:38   work there never an upgraded anything [TS]

01:26:40   anyway they don't know Karen there my [TS]

01:26:42   main pitch was like look the Mac I'm [TS]

01:26:44   using right now is eight years old [TS]

01:26:45   coming break here I already saved the [TS]

01:26:46   company a lot of money yeah nice yeah I [TS]

01:26:50   don't think I was specific by the way [TS]

01:26:52   about what I ordered and for the record [TS]

01:26:54   I ordered the basically maxed out [TS]

01:26:56   MacBook adorable because to build on [TS]

01:26:58   what you were just saying the conclusion [TS]

01:26:59   I've come to is when buying a Mac this [TS]

01:27:01   may not be applicable to other [TS]

01:27:02   manufacturers but when buying a Mac the [TS]

01:27:04   order of operations is get as much RAM [TS]

01:27:07   as you possibly can that's step one step [TS]

01:27:09   two is get as much disk space as you [TS]

01:27:11   possibly can within your budget and then [TS]

01:27:13   step three in my personal estimation is [TS]

01:27:15   get the biggest processor you possibly [TS]

01:27:17   can given your budget and I find that [TS]

01:27:19   Ram makes the biggest difference SSD [TS]

01:27:22   because of all the reasons Marco just [TS]

01:27:24   gave you and then finally CPU because [TS]

01:27:26   why not and so I got a maxed out MacBook [TS]

01:27:30   adorable and it was not cheap but it can [TS]

01:27:34   do anything I want it to do maybe not [TS]

01:27:35   with the speed I want it to because like [TS]

01:27:38   I was saying you know the transcoding [TS]

01:27:39   something in ffmpeg is not fast but it [TS]

01:27:43   is otherwise to me a no compromise [TS]

01:27:46   machine and that's really awesome the [TS]

01:27:50   only thing that I think is slightly a [TS]

01:27:52   compromise that that does make me [TS]

01:27:53   jealous of my iPad Mini is I kind of [TS]

01:27:57   want cellular in it I get it I don't [TS]

01:28:00   need it it's no kind of real is it it's [TS]

01:28:03   kind of frivolous but God it would be so [TS]

01:28:05   nice no it's not frivolous it's 2017 for [TS]

01:28:08   God's sake [TS]

01:28:09   having cellular in laptops which pcs [TS]

01:28:11   dudes like in 2005 like this is this is [TS]

01:28:14   not a ridiculous thing to ask for like [TS]

01:28:17   this is something that a lot of people [TS]

01:28:20   could use like like I you know I've been [TS]

01:28:22   getting it on iPads basically forever [TS]

01:28:24   because it really does make iPads way [TS]

01:28:26   way more usable for people who [TS]

01:28:29   articulate me and yes I know tethering [TS]

01:28:30   just and tethering has gotten way better [TS]

01:28:32   than it used to be it's way easier than [TS]

01:28:34   it used to be to use but what to have a [TS]

01:28:37   cellular built in is way better and like [TS]

01:28:40   like now the data plans are even are [TS]

01:28:42   cheaper than ever and like when you have [TS]

01:28:44   a combined family plan like it only [TS]

01:28:45   costs me 10 bucks a month to have my [TS]

01:28:48   iPad on [TS]

01:28:49   my cellular plan so Nhu the same shared [TS]

01:28:52   pool of massive data that I have from [TS]

01:28:54   AT&T for just another 10 bucks a month [TS]

01:28:55   and that's great [TS]

01:28:57   like so it's to me it's a no-brainer on [TS]

01:28:59   an iPad and the second they release [TS]

01:29:02   cellular laptops if Apple ever does this [TS]

01:29:05   I will immediately trade in whatever [TS]

01:29:08   laptop I have for a new one with [TS]

01:29:09   cellular like that that is how much I [TS]

01:29:11   want that like it it is such a big thing [TS]

01:29:14   it's one of those things that unless you [TS]

01:29:17   experience like having a Wi-Fi only iPad [TS]

01:29:19   and then having a cellular iPad which is [TS]

01:29:22   the exact path I went through I don't [TS]

01:29:24   think you'll ever really understand how [TS]

01:29:25   much more convenient it is yes I [TS]

01:29:28   understand tethering is a thing yes I'm [TS]

01:29:30   aware that you can turn on tethering [TS]

01:29:32   from the other device if they're all in [TS]

01:29:33   the same iCloud account yada yada yada I [TS]

01:29:35   am aware that it is as easy as it can [TS]

01:29:38   possibly be to make tethering against [TS]

01:29:41   another device work I get it but that [TS]

01:29:44   will never ever be as convenient as [TS]

01:29:47   having the connection on the device [TS]

01:29:49   you're on it just won't if you're [TS]

01:29:52   sitting there and you have a furrowed [TS]

01:29:54   brow and you're like what is he talking [TS]

01:29:55   about that's like no I'm telling you [TS]

01:29:57   it's the way it is try it sometime it's [TS]

01:30:00   like the different it's like having [TS]

01:30:01   having to like use a dial-up API like a [TS]

01:30:04   dial-up interface on your on your [TS]

01:30:05   computer like okay [TS]

01:30:06   connect to the tether now disconnect [TS]

01:30:08   from the tether to save the battery on [TS]

01:30:09   the tethering thing or to make it stop [TS]

01:30:11   burned it in the background in my [TS]

01:30:12   backpack like it's you have to manage it [TS]

01:30:15   it's still something you have to manage [TS]

01:30:16   you have to do you have to sometimes [TS]

01:30:18   wait for and you're still then draining [TS]

01:30:20   the battery to your phone or having to [TS]

01:30:21   plug it into one of your one USB ports [TS]

01:30:23   like it's it's not it everything about [TS]

01:30:28   that is painful but something at that [TS]

01:30:30   another reason I ran into with my laptop [TS]

01:30:33   planning with the live show is that my [TS]

01:30:36   backup option before I got to the venue [TS]

01:30:38   I was thinking I might have to use [TS]

01:30:40   tethering as the internet connection and [TS]

01:30:42   again I'm not going to rely on wireless [TS]

01:30:44   tethering in a room full of a thousand [TS]

01:30:46   people with Apple devices so I was going [TS]

01:30:48   to use USB tethering and I had to bring [TS]

01:30:51   lightning cables with both types of USB [TS]

01:30:53   ends so I could make sure that I'd be [TS]

01:30:56   able to plug in with either the dongle [TS]

01:30:58   or direct port [TS]

01:31:01   it's just friction it's just all these [TS]

01:31:03   things they just add friction the USB [TS]

01:31:05   transition is adding friction the fact [TS]

01:31:07   that it still isn't like no matter how [TS]

01:31:09   much money you're willing to spend on [TS]

01:31:11   dongles and new cables right now you [TS]

01:31:13   still can't fully transition to USBC so [TS]

01:31:16   you're still you're still gonna be [TS]

01:31:17   living in a mixed world for a long time [TS]

01:31:18   and it still sucks and you there's still [TS]

01:31:21   these meetings is like a like okay well [TS]

01:31:23   now I my teeth ernet adapter is USBC but [TS]

01:31:25   now I can't play with USB a port if I [TS]

01:31:26   ever have to use a hub or something that [TS]

01:31:28   only output USB a like there's all these [TS]

01:31:30   there's gonna be these problems forever [TS]

01:31:32   right tethering and versus built-in [TS]

01:31:34   cellular is like a it's similar it's [TS]

01:31:37   like it's just friction it's more [TS]

01:31:38   friction and when there's friction you [TS]

01:31:41   use things less or it gets in the way or [TS]

01:31:44   sometimes it doesn't work like you know [TS]

01:31:46   think like when it's built in will work [TS]

01:31:48   every time when it's not built in when [TS]

01:31:50   you're tethering like occasionally it [TS]

01:31:51   won't work and that would be annoying or [TS]

01:31:53   a problem for you like having it built [TS]

01:31:56   in is just so much nicer yep I [TS]

01:31:58   completely agree xeriscape have [TS]

01:32:00   Thunderbolt yes you look into [TS]

01:32:03   Thunderbolt hubs to try to solve your [TS]

01:32:04   because I know USB C hubs multipliers [TS]

01:32:07   apparently aren't out there the tipster [TS]

01:32:09   hasn't delivered his Promised One but uh [TS]

01:32:11   like a thunderbolt UBB that gives you [TS]

01:32:13   Ethernet and a bunch of USB ports and [TS]

01:32:15   audio and all the stuff you looked into [TS]

01:32:17   that you know I haven't yet maybe I [TS]

01:32:20   should I'm not sure any of those [TS]

01:32:22   Thunderbolt hubs ever really were [TS]

01:32:25   adopted by enough people to even know [TS]

01:32:27   whether they suck or not I would be [TS]

01:32:29   hesitant to also invest in any kind of [TS]

01:32:32   Thunderbolt 2 gear right now and [TS]

01:32:34   Thunderbolt 3 gear is probably still too [TS]

01:32:36   young or not even out yet you know [TS]

01:32:38   depending so well and I can't use it [TS]

01:32:40   either because if I understand you don't [TS]

01:32:42   have Thunderbolt right exactly if I [TS]

01:32:44   understand this whole kerfuffle [TS]

01:32:45   correctly I don't have Thunderbolt that [TS]

01:32:48   I can get to externally so so it for me [TS]

01:32:52   that's useless I'm stuck with just [TS]

01:32:53   straight USB C and I'm not saying office [TS]

01:32:55   ly that that's true for everyone but for [TS]

01:32:57   me it's USB C or bust and and yeah I [TS]

01:33:00   mean so far I really love this thing I'm [TS]

01:33:03   travelling with it very very soon so [TS]

01:33:05   we'll see what I think of it then part [TS]

01:33:08   of the draw of getting such a small [TS]

01:33:11   computer was on the plane back from [TS]

01:33:13   the person in front of me decided to [TS]

01:33:16   recline and I have very strong opinions [TS]

01:33:19   about jerks people who recline their [TS]

01:33:21   seats and planes and read and when this [TS]

01:33:25   person reclined their seat I [TS]

01:33:27   there was no way for me to use my laptop [TS]

01:33:30   except perhaps reclining but I'm a [TS]

01:33:33   gentleman so I wouldn't do that there [TS]

01:33:35   was no way to use my 15 inch laptop [TS]

01:33:36   without giving myself horrible pain [TS]

01:33:39   somewhere on my body as silly as it [TS]

01:33:41   sounds that 2 or 3 inches that person [TS]

01:33:44   infringed upon what is my space damn it [TS]

01:33:46   that made the difference between me [TS]

01:33:48   being able to use my computer and me not [TS]

01:33:49   where is this thing I mean it's it's [TS]

01:33:52   almost an iPad I could pretty much use [TS]

01:33:55   it anywhere and and I just I really [TS]

01:33:58   really love it I'm super happy with it [TS]

01:34:01   the Space Gray is so darn good-looking I [TS]

01:34:03   don't know why anyone would buy any [TS]

01:34:04   other color I love this thing it [TS]

01:34:07   definitely does have some problems here [TS]

01:34:09   and there it has some catches it has [TS]

01:34:11   some some issues most notably I do think [TS]

01:34:14   even just one more USB C port would make [TS]

01:34:17   a world of difference but generally [TS]

01:34:20   speaking for the purpose I'm trying to [TS]

01:34:21   for the purpose this this laptop exists [TS]

01:34:24   in my world which is to be an accessory [TS]

01:34:26   to be either a portable machine to do [TS]

01:34:30   something it to do everything in a pinch [TS]

01:34:32   or to just be an accessory so it doesn't [TS]

01:34:35   have to do everything at all it is [TS]

01:34:37   pretty much perfect and I am overjoyed [TS]

01:34:39   with it now ask me again once I start [TS]

01:34:43   getting some real time with with one of [TS]

01:34:46   the bigger iPads on iOS 11 and maybe I'm [TS]

01:34:48   going to start having some buyers [TS]

01:34:49   remorse because this new this new stuff [TS]

01:34:52   and iOS 11 does look darn good but I [TS]

01:34:54   don't think that will ever really change [TS]

01:34:56   the fact that this computer can do [TS]

01:34:59   everything I wanted to do maybe not the [TS]

01:35:01   speed at which I wanted to do maybe not [TS]

01:35:03   without a few dongles that I wish I [TS]

01:35:05   didn't have to carry but it can do [TS]

01:35:07   literally everything I want it to do [TS]

01:35:10   whereas an iPad for me either can't or [TS]

01:35:14   can't do it without having a Mac nearby [TS]

01:35:17   or having a keyboard nearby or about [TS]

01:35:19   without having any number of other [TS]

01:35:21   things that [TS]

01:35:23   to support it and while I deeply respect [TS]

01:35:26   the mics and the Federico's and the Ben [TS]

01:35:28   Brooks's of the world who can figure out [TS]

01:35:31   a way to make this technology work for [TS]

01:35:33   them for me if I have to write a [TS]

01:35:36   workflow which again is one of the most [TS]

01:35:38   mind-blowing ly amazing apps written by [TS]

01:35:40   unbelievably great great people if I [TS]

01:35:42   have to write a a workflow in order to [TS]

01:35:46   get this device to do what I want it to [TS]

01:35:49   do then to me that it's already failed [TS]

01:35:53   because I have to bend the device to my [TS]

01:35:56   will [TS]

01:35:57   whereas this computer this tiny adorable [TS]

01:36:00   darling little computer of mine can do [TS]

01:36:03   everything right off the bat and that's [TS]

01:36:05   what's important to me you know they [TS]

01:36:07   sell a ski racks for the top of cars [TS]

01:36:10   mmm-hmm they should sell that for night [TS]

01:36:14   books like you would just be like a ski [TS]

01:36:15   rack for your for your MacBook and you [TS]

01:36:17   just click on all your dongles right [TS]

01:36:20   yeah right I think they would really [TS]

01:36:22   hammer home the point that Marco was [TS]

01:36:24   getting at before which is like you buy [TS]

01:36:26   these computers that is super slim [TS]

01:36:27   because portability is paramount right [TS]

01:36:30   but then everybody needs to bring some [TS]

01:36:32   other thing with them to make the [TS]

01:36:35   computer usable for them and that some [TS]

01:36:37   other thing compromises portability so [TS]

01:36:39   much more than an extra millimeter would [TS]

01:36:42   another thing no I suppose if you never [TS]

01:36:43   need to bring anything then you win the [TS]

01:36:45   portability like yes thank God it's [TS]

01:36:47   portable and smaller and light but if [TS]

01:36:50   you have to bring a single dongle then [TS]

01:36:51   it's like game over and having an actual [TS]

01:36:53   rack attached to the back of them would [TS]

01:36:55   be a nice way to communicate to Apple [TS]

01:36:57   like that ever became a popular product [TS]

01:36:59   like look you made this thing portable [TS]

01:37:01   but then we put it head to put a ski [TS]

01:37:02   rack on thanks a lot yeah that's that's [TS]

01:37:04   the thing like when whatever Apple [TS]

01:37:07   removes a port we hear from people who [TS]

01:37:09   say things like well I never use anyway [TS]

01:37:12   like you know just now I was 20 minutes [TS]

01:37:15   ago I was ranting about how no Mac's [TS]

01:37:17   have line in imports anymore except the [TS]

01:37:18   Mac Mini the the reasoning behind that [TS]

01:37:22   that almost any Apple fan would come up [TS]

01:37:24   with in two seconds because it isn't [TS]

01:37:25   that hard to come up with this reason is [TS]

01:37:27   well most people don't use that I have [TS]

01:37:29   one I've never used it like that's what [TS]

01:37:31   everyone says whenever Apple remove [TS]

01:37:33   something that I like everyone else says [TS]

01:37:37   well I I've never used that port but [TS]

01:37:39   like for everyone that's different so [TS]

01:37:41   one thing that I would say about that [TS]

01:37:43   with all my previous you know laptops is [TS]

01:37:45   that I've never used the HDMI port but a [TS]

01:37:49   lot of people do use the HDMI port and [TS]

01:37:51   you know what even when I say I've never [TS]

01:37:52   used the HDMI port that's probably wrong [TS]

01:37:55   I've probably used it like once or twice [TS]

01:37:57   and during those once or twice times I [TS]

01:38:00   bet I was really glad I had it and a [TS]

01:38:03   line in Jack for audio like this is one [TS]

01:38:06   of those things where it's like it isn't [TS]

01:38:08   that hard to add there they already have [TS]

01:38:10   the entire like USB audio codec chip in [TS]

01:38:13   these computers anyway like it would [TS]

01:38:15   cost them almost nothing additional and [TS]

01:38:18   while most people don't usually use it [TS]

01:38:21   sometimes people use it and during those [TS]

01:38:24   times it's really nice to have it and I [TS]

01:38:27   would say the same thing about so many [TS]

01:38:28   other features like I never use the [TS]

01:38:30   front-facing camera on any of my things [TS]

01:38:32   but a lot of people do so it's fine I [TS]

01:38:35   never use many of the capabilities most [TS]

01:38:39   people don't use all of the humilities [TS]

01:38:41   of the computers and the computing [TS]

01:38:43   devices they have that does not mean [TS]

01:38:46   that the correct design decision is to [TS]

01:38:48   get rid of everything like there's this [TS]

01:38:50   obsession with getting rid of things [TS]

01:38:52   minimizing things deleting things [TS]

01:38:54   erasing things the reality is like these [TS]

01:38:58   are general purpose devices and the more [TS]

01:39:00   they can do the more useful they're [TS]

01:39:02   going to be to people the more they're [TS]

01:39:03   going to help people the more often [TS]

01:39:04   they're going to be able to do what [TS]

01:39:05   people need them to do with with the [TS]

01:39:07   equipment they already have without [TS]

01:39:08   buying a bunch of dongles and having [TS]

01:39:10   them with you all the time I really I [TS]

01:39:12   wish that Apple would have the courage [TS]

01:39:17   and I'm using this word deliberately [TS]

01:39:18   here have the courage to say yes [TS]

01:39:21   sometimes to have the courage to say you [TS]

01:39:24   know what even though most people don't [TS]

01:39:27   use say the SD card slot for the people [TS]

01:39:31   that do that's incredibly useful and [TS]

01:39:33   it's not really you know being a problem [TS]

01:39:36   for us to keep it there so let's keep it [TS]

01:39:38   there or how about maybe if we're going [TS]

01:39:41   to have a whole new line of computers [TS]

01:39:44   that is reducing the number of ports it [TS]

01:39:46   has down to almost nothing how about we [TS]

01:39:48   give people the most [TS]

01:39:50   of that port that we possibly can and [TS]

01:39:52   maybe they are now I don't know I don't [TS]

01:39:54   know the details about thunderbolt [TS]

01:39:55   bandwidth and stuff but like I feel like [TS]

01:39:57   Apple needs to step back a little bit [TS]

01:40:00   from the obsession with removing things [TS]

01:40:03   because it really does overall make [TS]

01:40:06   these things less useful in times and [TS]

01:40:09   people don't expect that or don't [TS]

01:40:11   welcome that or we have to patch over [TS]

01:40:13   over these wonderful beautiful objects [TS]

01:40:16   with things like dongle bags and our in [TS]

01:40:18   our bags that now we have to carry these [TS]

01:40:20   additional things and spend the 80 plus [TS]

01:40:23   dollars on all these additional adapters [TS]

01:40:25   that we didn't need before with with the [TS]

01:40:27   computers that we bought a few years ago [TS]

01:40:29   we didn't need a dongle to to do this [TS]

01:40:32   common thing and now we do and is so [TS]

01:40:34   have we really made progress like that [TS]

01:40:36   sounds worse to me there's there's [TS]

01:40:38   nothing wrong with a computer having a [TS]

01:40:41   capability that most of its customers [TS]

01:40:44   don't use if it's not costing you a lot [TS]

01:40:47   to have it there if it's not causing [TS]

01:40:49   some kind of big problem what's the big [TS]

01:40:51   deal with having it there for the time [TS]

01:40:53   when someone does need it and then they [TS]

01:40:55   can be happily delighted that oh my [TS]

01:40:58   computer can do this new thing that I [TS]

01:41:00   need to do suddenly right now that I [TS]

01:41:02   didn't that I didn't predict or plan for [TS]

01:41:03   by dongle for ahead of time what's so [TS]

01:41:06   bad about that I think the answer is [TS]

01:41:09   it's it's to get rid of them simplifies [TS]

01:41:14   things to get rid of them makes things [TS]

01:41:16   smaller and thinner and as much as I am [TS]

01:41:18   a hundred percent behind you on thinness [TS]

01:41:22   being a bad thing for phones like we [TS]

01:41:26   could stand to have our phones get a [TS]

01:41:27   little thicker and you've been saying [TS]

01:41:29   that for a long time and I agree with [TS]

01:41:30   you in this case though I have to [TS]

01:41:32   concede that this thing being is thin [TS]

01:41:36   and light as it is it's pretty nice [TS]

01:41:38   that's exactly why I bought it [TS]

01:41:41   oh yeah and others I mean there's no [TS]

01:41:43   differences here like I'm not saying [TS]

01:41:45   that that the one super thin super light [TS]

01:41:48   computer in the lineup has to have a [TS]

01:41:50   million ports on it because obviously [TS]

01:41:51   that actually doesn't have the room for [TS]

01:41:53   it and I but I'm talking about like you [TS]

01:41:55   know okay I got over them removing [TS]

01:41:57   Ethernet a while ago because well even [TS]

01:41:58   that's really big you know so that makes [TS]

01:42:00   sense but like SD cards and audio jacks [TS]

01:42:03   and stuff were pretty small [TS]

01:42:04   like and you like you can fit those in [TS]

01:42:06   thin bodies it's not it isn't a problem [TS]

01:42:09   like that's a lot of these things seem [TS]

01:42:11   to have been removed just because they [TS]

01:42:13   thought people didn't use them enough [TS]

01:42:15   anymore or they were tired of shipping [TS]

01:42:17   them or something like and okay but you [TS]

01:42:22   know III really it's it's hard it's hard [TS]

01:42:25   to tell whether some of these things [TS]

01:42:27   were removed for good reasons that [TS]

01:42:30   benefit the customers or for reasons [TS]

01:42:32   that only benefit Apple for the benefit [TS]

01:42:34   nobody or we all know they just need to [TS]

01:42:36   add a second USB port to the adorable [TS]

01:42:38   Emma needs an SD card reader to the big [TS]

01:42:39   giant expensive 15-inch and like and [TS]

01:42:42   then maybe put four ports on the escape [TS]

01:42:44   and we're all happy like that we're not [TS]

01:42:45   asking for the moon here you know again [TS]

01:42:47   you're not gonna be even a part of these [TS]

01:42:48   things but if you had for us BC on the [TS]

01:42:50   escape you'd be able to get over a lot [TS]

01:42:52   of the weird USBC ecosystems you'd be [TS]

01:42:54   like well whatever I'll get four dongles [TS]

01:42:56   and plug them all in and power right and [TS]

01:42:58   on the escape you know it is super thin [TS]

01:43:01   you don't have room for much of anything [TS]

01:43:02   but you know how about a second second [TS]

01:43:04   port you know maybe if there'd be [TS]

01:43:06   computer than that it's fine and on the [TS]

01:43:07   big giant 15-inch that has everything in [TS]

01:43:09   it [TS]

01:43:09   SD card plus 5 USB see who's going to [TS]

01:43:12   complain about that you can probably [TS]

01:43:13   still complain about the audio and being [TS]

01:43:15   missing although I think any analog [TS]

01:43:17   input at this point is crazy so it'd [TS]

01:43:18   have to be the optical one with a little [TS]

01:43:19   you know little light at the end of the [TS]

01:43:21   thing they get rid of optical too and [TS]

01:43:22   all the new MacBook Pros they used to be [TS]

01:43:24   the hybrid Jack that that has the [TS]

01:43:26   optical out they've also the IMAX [TS]

01:43:27   getting rhythm - which is unfortunate [TS]

01:43:29   because I use mine but oh well that's [TS]

01:43:31   the that I only pick certain battles [TS]

01:43:34   yeah I think they're saying that the you [TS]

01:43:36   know digital audio through USB is the [TS]

01:43:38   way to go like I'm all like I said I'm [TS]

01:43:39   all on board with the USB see is they [TS]

01:43:41   are tiny just you please give us more of [TS]

01:43:44   them or I suppose Apple can come up with [TS]

01:43:46   some kind of reliable hub because you're [TS]

01:43:48   on you know I suggest the Thunderbolt [TS]

01:43:50   tub is a solution to your problem but [TS]

01:43:52   you know it's not the type of thing [TS]

01:43:54   you'd want to order a week before going [TS]

01:43:55   to WWC even cross your fingers that [TS]

01:43:57   thing doesn't flake out because as we [TS]

01:43:58   all know hubs are notoriously flaky and [TS]

01:44:01   exactly it would be nice if every nice [TS]

01:44:04   of Apple didn't leave this as a third [TS]

01:44:07   party opportunity for those things but [TS]

01:44:08   so yeah they're close like I think the [TS]

01:44:10   lines are close on you know their laptop [TS]

01:44:13   lines are close on the things they're [TS]

01:44:14   including and again like [TS]

01:44:15   that a couple shows ago I'm glad they [TS]

01:44:17   put us ba on the iMac because it's not [TS]

01:44:19   like there's not room for it back there [TS]

01:44:20   plenty room and boys in it convenient to [TS]

01:44:23   not have even more dongles hanging off [TS]

01:44:25   the back of your fancy new iMac and I'm [TS]

01:44:29   still pinning my hopes on those [TS]

01:44:30   statements that whoever was said during [TS]

01:44:32   the Mac roundtable about the Mac bro [TS]

01:44:34   that they're thinking about you know [TS]

01:44:36   MacBook Pros that address some of the [TS]

01:44:38   customer use needs the easy answer is [TS]

01:44:40   guess what you already saw those they [TS]

01:44:42   mount some of WWC how do you like them [TS]

01:44:43   but I'm still holding out hope like know [TS]

01:44:45   they they meant they're gonna add SD [TS]

01:44:48   card to the 15-inch right right no me I [TS]

01:44:51   wouldn't count on that [TS]

01:44:52   oh it could happen if it's that we huh [TS]

01:44:54   there's so much room for it there also [TS]

01:44:57   one thing I want to argue about your [TS]

01:44:59   Thunderbolt hub thing for a second here [TS]

01:45:01   so so people in the chat pasted this [TS]

01:45:04   link to apparently the Belkin did make a [TS]

01:45:06   Thunderbolt 3 hub so first of all it's [TS]

01:45:09   three hundred and fifty dollars and this [TS]

01:45:11   is not just the one time like almost [TS]

01:45:13   every Thunderbolt hub that has ever [TS]

01:45:15   existed that actually is Thunderbolt [TS]

01:45:17   base and not just USB they're almost all [TS]

01:45:20   like three hundred dollar range like in [TS]

01:45:21   that ballpark so so it's like it like so [TS]

01:45:25   the the the reason this is not a [TS]

01:45:26   solution number one is that it's very [TS]

01:45:29   expensive and number two is that it adds [TS]

01:45:33   all ports that aren't USB sea ports it [TS]

01:45:36   heads USB AAA ports you know Ethernet [TS]

01:45:39   just DisplayPort homes just and then two [TS]

01:45:42   Thunderbolt 2 ports well who needs that [TS]

01:45:45   like if you're moving to this new [TS]

01:45:47   ecosystem you want Thunderbolt 3 devices [TS]

01:45:49   that use USB C so like and and on top of [TS]

01:45:52   that it needs its own giant power supply [TS]

01:45:54   and they tell you just as like as like a [TS]

01:45:57   geek wisdom thing one of one of the [TS]

01:46:01   biggest reasons why many like [TS]

01:46:04   peripherals or you know things like [TS]

01:46:06   peripherals why they often fail or suck [TS]

01:46:09   is crappy or unreliable AC DC power [TS]

01:46:13   supplies like it basically if your thing [TS]

01:46:16   is not bus powered if it is powered by [TS]

01:46:18   its own external power brick not only [TS]

01:46:20   does that make your desk and stuff [TS]

01:46:22   Messier but also it is way more likely [TS]

01:46:25   to suck or fail because those power [TS]

01:46:27   bricks are crap [TS]

01:46:29   they oh they're always crap and the the [TS]

01:46:31   the one thing you do not want is to rely [TS]

01:46:33   on one of those power bricks or to [TS]

01:46:35   introduce them into your setup and cause [TS]

01:46:36   possible like you know noise or [TS]

01:46:38   interference or they always suck they're [TS]

01:46:40   always cheap pieces of crap and so [TS]

01:46:42   anything you can do to avoid needing [TS]

01:46:44   external power into a peripheral you [TS]

01:46:46   will be better off for it [TS]

01:46:47   but then also that also means that USB [TS]

01:46:49   hubs you know are often either unpowered [TS]

01:46:53   which sucks then you plug in devices not [TS]

01:46:55   enough power or you know they they need [TS]

01:46:58   these these things or they only have [TS]

01:46:59   like two ports you know so it's like any [TS]

01:47:00   of these hub solutions almost always [TS]

01:47:03   suck the way to make you the USBC [TS]

01:47:06   ecosystem not suck is to a have just [TS]

01:47:11   have as many of these ports on the [TS]

01:47:12   computers as you can fit and as the [TS]

01:47:14   chipset can power and drive like step [TS]

01:47:16   one try to avoid the need for hubs at [TS]

01:47:19   all because what what the correct answer [TS]

01:47:22   if you're arguing for the USB see future [TS]

01:47:24   slash now it's really the present if [TS]

01:47:27   you're arguing for the USB see world you [TS]

01:47:30   should be totally accommodating and it [TS]

01:47:33   should be awesome for people who are [TS]

01:47:36   willing to go out and buy USB see [TS]

01:47:39   everything like look you okay so you [TS]

01:47:42   bought a new laptop I bought my laptop [TS]

01:47:43   like I went out and I bought a USB [TS]

01:47:45   Ethernet adapter and a USB see SD card [TS]

01:47:48   reader and USB see lightning cables and [TS]

01:47:50   like because I'm like you know if I'm [TS]

01:47:52   gonna do this I'm going to go all-in I'm [TS]

01:47:54   gonna get all USB USB see stuff but if [TS]

01:47:57   you do that now it still sucks because [TS]

01:48:00   there's still no like USB C port [TS]

01:48:01   multiplier hubs out there as we said [TS]

01:48:04   earlier so like you still have to live [TS]

01:48:05   in this weird mixed world and you're [TS]

01:48:07   dealing with all these unreliable hubs [TS]

01:48:08   with crappy Amazon reviews that are made [TS]

01:48:10   by no-name companies and even the ones [TS]

01:48:12   from good companies like anchor have [TS]

01:48:14   terrible reviews and it's like it just [TS]

01:48:16   seems like this whole world of like of [TS]

01:48:18   USB see relies currently today on this [TS]

01:48:22   ecosystem of crappy hubs that kind of [TS]

01:48:25   ruin the whole thing like once you go [TS]

01:48:27   beyond the ports in your computer and so [TS]

01:48:30   what we need is for the computers to [TS]

01:48:32   need fewer hubs a by having more ports [TS]

01:48:34   and B we need good hubs and I know this [TS]

01:48:38   is like this is not an exciting topic [TS]

01:48:40   but like think about how long it took [TS]

01:48:43   to find good usb3 hubs like just with us [TS]

01:48:46   be a port on it I mean it took I don't [TS]

01:48:47   know if you guys have good ones it took [TS]

01:48:49   me like two years to find a good USB 3 [TS]

01:48:51   hub that didn't flake out and like [TS]

01:48:53   disconnect drives randomly that were [TS]

01:48:54   plugged into it and stuff like that [TS]

01:48:55   still today USB 3 which is now [TS]

01:48:58   comparably ancient very few hubs are [TS]

01:49:01   good but there are a few that exist [TS]

01:49:03   we need good USB C hubs now and we as [TS]

01:49:06   far as I can tell from the world out [TS]

01:49:08   there I don't think we have any that [TS]

01:49:10   actually give you more USB seaports let [TS]

01:49:12   alone good ones and the ones that give [TS]

01:49:14   you different ports again as I mentioned [TS]

01:49:15   they they don't seem to be consistently [TS]

01:49:18   good and so if this role is going to [TS]

01:49:21   happen if this is going to actually take [TS]

01:49:23   off we need those two things we need [TS]

01:49:24   more ports and laptops I mean great hubs [TS]

01:49:26   and until that happens it's going to be [TS]

01:49:30   really a pain to have a USB see devices [TS]

01:49:33   and I kind of feel like would it kill [TS]

01:49:36   Apple to make a good hub like I know [TS]

01:49:39   it's the most boring Apple product in [TS]

01:49:40   the world but they make boring stuff [TS]

01:49:41   sometimes I call their little adapters [TS]

01:49:43   and cable like they make other boring [TS]

01:49:44   stuff that would enable this like if [TS]

01:49:46   Apple just made like a decently you know [TS]

01:49:49   one to four USB see hub that would be [TS]

01:49:53   great like because I think we have seen [TS]

01:49:56   the entire rest of the electronics world [TS]

01:49:58   they have shown us over the last like [TS]

01:50:00   decade they can't do this like they they [TS]

01:50:03   cannot do this reliably that the entire [TS]

01:50:06   consumer electronics industry is not [TS]

01:50:08   capable of putting out reliable USB hubs [TS]

01:50:11   like we're lucky if we can find one [TS]

01:50:13   model of one sometimes that works for a [TS]

01:50:15   while [TS]

01:50:16   for God's sakes Apple just give us a USB [TS]

01:50:18   hub okay but talk with a TP tipster [TS]

01:50:21   you're our only hope [TS]

01:50:22   thanks a lot to our three sponsors this [TS]

01:50:25   week Squarespace away and hover and we [TS]

01:50:28   will see you next week [TS]

01:50:31   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:50:35   mean to begin cuz it was accidental oh [TS]

01:50:38   it was accidental johnny research Marco [TS]

01:50:45   and Casey wouldn't let him [TS]

01:50:47   cuz it was accidental it was accidental [TS]

01:50:52   and you can find the show notes at ADP [TS]

01:50:56   FM and if you're into Twitter you can [TS]

01:51:01   follow them at CAS II WA L is s so [TS]

01:51:07   that's Casey list em a are Co AR m and T [TS]

01:51:12   Marco Arment SI r kc USA Syracuse [TS]

01:51:21   baby [TS]

01:51:31   so we didn't actually complete follow-up [TS]

01:51:34   yet of course we didn't we have I mean [TS]

01:51:38   will we ever complete follow-up is it [TS]

01:51:40   even a possible thing if John has his [TS]

01:51:42   way the only way we complete follow-up [TS]

01:51:44   is by ceasing to record the show anymore [TS]

01:51:46   in any case we have one piece of [TS]

01:51:49   follow-up that we did not cover but is [TS]

01:51:51   very important and it is WWDC breakfast [TS]

01:51:55   so rich has written in and said I had [TS]

01:51:59   doughnuts at WWDC breakfast three out of [TS]

01:52:02   five days this year maybe they were gone [TS]

01:52:04   when you arrived John that shows their [TS]

01:52:07   insufficient doughnuts cuz if they're [TS]

01:52:09   gone like I was good coming at the same [TS]

01:52:12   time as I show up every year and it's [TS]

01:52:14   not it you know the very first person in [TS]

01:52:16   line but I'm not super late either you [TS]

01:52:18   need to have enough doughnuts for [TS]

01:52:19   everybody I don't know that means [TS]

01:52:20   there's a lot of doughnuts but you got [TS]

01:52:21   to do what you got to do enough I I [TS]

01:52:25   would also like to thank our listeners I [TS]

01:52:27   have gotten a surprisingly small amount [TS]

01:52:30   of flack about my completely [TS]

01:52:32   embarrassing Philadelphia Cream Cheese [TS]

01:52:33   Incident and I appreciate you guys [TS]

01:52:35   taking pity on me so thank you yeah it [TS]

01:52:38   is summer break though for a lot of [TS]

01:52:39   people I bet a lot of people have gotten [TS]

01:52:40   the episode yet that's possible give [TS]

01:52:42   them time and speaking of getting flack [TS]

01:52:44   we had one at one of us one of the three [TS]

01:52:48   of us was very bitter a couple of days [TS]

01:52:51   ago and one of the three of us had [TS]

01:52:54   committed the ultimate ATP sin which is [TS]

01:52:58   not getting title case correct because I [TS]

01:53:02   tell you the audio could be totally [TS]

01:53:05   garbage in an episode and that would be [TS]

01:53:07   less offensive to one of my co-hosts [TS]

01:53:10   than the title case being in credit that [TS]

01:53:12   is not the case at all I can care about [TS]

01:53:14   more than one thing at once [TS]

01:53:15   I like good audio quality correct Idol [TS]

01:53:18   case those two things get it was [TS]

01:53:20   particularly frustrating because we [TS]

01:53:21   discussed on the show hey don't forget [TS]

01:53:24   to use title case which letters should [TS]

01:53:26   be capital just use the website then [TS]

01:53:28   Marco decided you know what I don't like [TS]

01:53:30   what the website said I have different [TS]

01:53:32   opinions about what title case should be [TS]

01:53:33   and he changed the title and I see it in [TS]

01:53:35   my feed with the capital F and for [TS]

01:53:37   and it stabs my eyes like daggers so [TS]

01:53:42   anyway I am blaming Marco for this if [TS]

01:53:44   you look the title of our show and said [TS]

01:53:45   boys yes dunno how use title case no [TS]

01:53:47   just Margo yep I take full [TS]

01:53:50   responsibility i I looked at the way it [TS]

01:53:53   was capitalized and I thought that does [TS]

01:53:54   not look right [TS]

01:53:55   that's exactly how grammar works you're [TS]

01:53:57   right you did it this bar doesn't look [TS]

01:54:01   like it's spelled right I'm gonna change [TS]

01:54:03   it [TS]

01:54:03   first of all spelling and stylistic [TS]

01:54:06   capitalization are very different things [TS]

01:54:08   secondly there there are there are many [TS]

01:54:11   rules of both grammar and for things [TS]

01:54:14   like style manuals for publications many [TS]

01:54:17   rules that like with permission you [TS]

01:54:22   sometimes can break like if you know [TS]

01:54:24   what you're doing and you'd like you [TS]

01:54:27   know you're breaking the rule but you [TS]

01:54:28   decide like the rule is wrong here you [TS]

01:54:31   can break you've drifted from alright [TS]

01:54:34   stylistic breaks and know what you're [TS]

01:54:36   doing - just deciding that the rule is [TS]

01:54:38   wrong and those are two different things [TS]

01:54:39   that feel like one is like there's it is [TS]

01:54:42   competing belief systems that you [TS]

01:54:44   understand the nuances of you choose [TS]

01:54:46   among them and the other is I don't know [TS]

01:54:47   too much about this that seems wrong to [TS]

01:54:49   me it's so so for you know for listeners [TS]

01:54:52   who are not aware looking at the list [TS]

01:54:55   episodes basically the last title the [TS]

01:54:59   last episode was what was for suckers [TS]

01:55:00   something which was ogres scrolling [TS]

01:55:02   scrolling is for suckers and title case [TS]

01:55:05   calm the website that we've used that we [TS]

01:55:07   agreed upon is our like title case [TS]

01:55:09   capitalization Authority it capitalizes [TS]

01:55:12   in the phrase title case or smooth [TS]

01:55:15   scrolling is for suckers it capitalizes [TS]

01:55:17   that is and not the four because four I [TS]

01:55:21   guess I guess it probably has a ruled [TS]

01:55:23   not to capitalize prepositions but to [TS]

01:55:25   always capitalized verbs that's my guess [TS]

01:55:27   right so is is the verb so you [TS]

01:55:30   capitalize that but then for you don't [TS]

01:55:32   and I thought having every single word [TS]

01:55:35   capitalized in that and not the four [TS]

01:55:37   looked wrong like having the is [TS]

01:55:39   capitalized and not the four and I tried [TS]

01:55:42   making both of them lowercase but that [TS]

01:55:44   didn't look right either and I made it [TS]

01:55:47   both of them capital and that looked the [TS]

01:55:49   least wrong of all the things that we [TS]

01:55:51   had [TS]

01:55:51   so let's see the thing with style guides [TS]

01:55:53   is you have agreed upon set of roles [TS]

01:55:55   that you use and you can change the [TS]

01:55:57   style guide but you can't say for this [TS]

01:55:59   instance I'm gonna ignore the style goes [TS]

01:56:00   why I have to have the style guide then [TS]

01:56:02   right so you know it's like consistency [TS]

01:56:04   and and takis calm I do not hold up is [TS]

01:56:07   like it's not how I would capitalize it [TS]

01:56:09   either like I would do it differently if [TS]

01:56:11   I was Howell you know but this was just [TS]

01:56:12   the tiebreaker it's like to make KC's [TS]

01:56:14   life easy so he doesn't have to guess [TS]

01:56:15   and we don't have to discuss it just go [TS]

01:56:17   to this website and the websites gonna [TS]

01:56:18   do stuff that we don't agree with but [TS]

01:56:20   it's just consistent are you not able to [TS]

01:56:22   deviate from the thing that you decided [TS]

01:56:24   is consistent if you think it's wrong [TS]

01:56:26   but I think it's wrong to I would do [TS]

01:56:28   lowercase I and lowercase F that's what [TS]

01:56:30   I would done but I died deferred to the [TS]

01:56:32   website and I would have settled for [TS]

01:56:34   that all I decided was that capital I [TS]

01:56:37   lowercase F looked wrong and either they [TS]

01:56:40   should both be lowercase or they should [TS]

01:56:42   both be capital anyway I just want to [TS]

01:56:44   assign blame that's all yeah it's [TS]

01:56:46   totally my fault [TS]

01:56:46   I i overrode and I knew you'd be mad and [TS]

01:56:50   I made a calculated risk like you think [TS]

01:56:52   I wouldn't notice which is we just know [TS]

01:56:54   no I knew you would notice there there [TS]

01:56:56   was no chance you were not going to [TS]

01:56:58   notice but III it was a calculated risk [TS]

01:57:00   based on like I think John is relatively [TS]

01:57:03   happy with me you know as much as he can [TS]

01:57:05   be these days I think I can probably get [TS]

01:57:07   away with doing this maybe once a year [TS]

01:57:08   and this seems like a good time to do it [TS]

01:57:11   because the way that the title case com [TS]

01:57:13   did this look so bad to me [TS]

01:57:15   so I decided to spend the rest of the [TS]

01:57:17   year making your peace with typeface [TS]

01:57:18   calm as I have because again it's not [TS]

01:57:20   the way I would capitalize you you have [TS]

01:57:22   to make your peace with it and case you [TS]

01:57:23   can spend the rest of the year working [TS]

01:57:24   on his comma usage I wonder if I could [TS]

01:57:26   buy it and just change it oh yeah where [TS]

01:57:28   where was there a aggressive amount of [TS]

01:57:31   commas and what did you have to repair [TS]

01:57:33   I didn't repair anything I just left it [TS]

01:57:35   as is but like all right so what do we [TS]

01:57:37   got here I'm aggressive most because you [TS]

01:57:40   mean in the show no yeah some so for the [TS]

01:57:44   listeners so Casey usually writes all or [TS]

01:57:46   almost all of the show notes yeah John's [TS]

01:57:49   ancient comma slow comma Mac Pro oh yeah [TS]

01:57:52   it shouldn't be after slow that should [TS]

01:57:53   be gone that that's right I don't know I [TS]

01:57:56   I'm not gonna argue that it's I stand by [TS]

01:57:59   it still looks right to me sitting here [TS]

01:58:01   today no you're ruining my Arc [TS]

01:58:03   this is the new rule for English written [TS]

01:58:05   languages does it look right to Marco or [TS]

01:58:08   Casey no this rule number that is just [TS]

01:58:10   wrong [TS]

01:58:11   alright no no raise the shownotes anyway [TS]

01:58:14   it's fine but a lot of people do read [TS]

01:58:15   the title so [TS]