The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► little bit there is worth adding no well [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► it wasn't bolded I got scolded earlier I [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► should hi sorry alright we'll just we'll [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► just have to edit all this out let me [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► take a note John gets angry at Casey you [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► gotta be you gotta be serious with these [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► bowls John I already did trim this down [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► you realize it's not like I just copied [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► and pasted the thing you know this is [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► the trim version the bowls just to let [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► you know which parts are important [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► alright so let's get started as we have [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► to with follow up we have another [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► instance of a fairly long email that I'd [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► like to read most actually a couple [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► instances of this that I'd like to read [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► pretty much in their entirety because I [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► think they're really really fascinating [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► I would never generally do this but now [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► I'm making the exception the rule [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► because he's a really good email you do [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► like every two weeks and ever and I [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► always and I have to edit it in some [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► ways it's like nothing is more boring [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► and harder to follow then listen to [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► somebody read like a six paragraph email [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► in a podcast alright alright I'll try to [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► I'll try to make this as quick as I can [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► since John has done us the service of [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► bolding certain sections in the show [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► notes so we got some feedback from an [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► anonymous Microsoft employee on the [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► facial recognition in Windows and they [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► said all the surface devices since the [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► surface pro 4 which is the last two [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► generations apparently have supported [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► Windows hello this is different than [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► High Sierra this is Windows hello which [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► uses an infrared LED infrared depth [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► camera and RGB webcam to authenticate [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► via your face this technology's derived [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► from the Kinect and in has in general [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► been super well received it's fast very [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► reliable and works in the dark and this [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► includes a link to a video which we put [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► in the show notes it's also tricky to [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► fool arguably more secure than a [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► fingerprint and you can it can even tell [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► twins apart and we'll put a different [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► link in the show notes for that when [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► Microsoft tried to scale this down to [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► mobile devices in the Lumia 650 and 650 [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► XL the same technology didn't work for a [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► number of reasons including power cost [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► and constraints size constraints it is [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► the Lumia devices shipped in 2015 and [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► while the surface solution didn't scale [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► down effectively then I have no [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► difficulty believing Apple could scale [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► down to a full face solution like [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► Windows hello in 2017 that said most [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► good solutions I've seen require at [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► least two cameras I are in our GP RGB to [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► get depth [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► why it's a fleshie 3d object that's such [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► a funny word fleshie but anyway and [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► capture enough identifier x' as well as [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► an ir LED to function and mix lighting [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► conditions heavy backlighting and bright [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► sunlight are especially challenging it's [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► hard to see how these would fit into the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► quote unquote forehead of Abbas L I'm [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► sorry bezel free iPhone without [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► significant cutouts in addition to [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► what's already required for the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► front-facing camera and proximity sensor [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► blah blah blah all that to say it is [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► fast dependable delightful face [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► recognition that is absolutely possible [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and is in fact par for the course on [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► some high-end Windows devices like the [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► surface yes it does introduce some UI [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► requirements for explicit confirmation [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► of intent for example with purchases [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► it's just a matter of time before [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► someone makes it work on a phone I [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► wouldn't be at all surprised if it to [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► hear Apple had done that this isn't a [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► thread of feedback with all the people [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► all the windows users telling us about [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► Windows hello many months ago and as [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► this person point the reason I picked [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► this email out is it is a Microsoft [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► employee and they talk specifically [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► about the challenges of getting it down [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► into a phone because obviously you have [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► luxuries on even just a laptop for in [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► fact that you don't have on phones you [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► got a lot of space to put sensors in [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► there you got a lot more power a lot [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► bigger battery usually you have more [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► computing power these days the phone was [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► probably faster than half of the things [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► they listed so so we'll see so yes the [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► face recognition on Windows hello is [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► there we got varying reports some people [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► say it's amazing it already exists that [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► it's wonderful that people said I can't [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► get it to recognize my face it takes [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► like three to five seconds then it [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► doesn't work half the time and I hate it [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► so mixed results but in general I think [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► mostly people like Windows hello and [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► think that it works well there's just a [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► question of can you get this in a phone [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I love that like the new like Windows [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► did it is a lot like the old opera did [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► it like that Windows is now so [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► marginalized that like the cutting-edge [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► features of like the surface hardware [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► and like the stuff that's like the whole [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► pure of Microsoft stack hardware [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► software like so few people relatively [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► speaking are using that and enjoying [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► that to the point especially like around [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► these parts around like you know Apple [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► II tech podcast circles that we have no [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► idea what they're doing and they're so [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► like and they're doing important stuff [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► and innovative stuff and they just want [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► everyone to know that so much and [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► meanwhile [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► we're all like no one's ever done this [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► before like it's it's exactly what [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► exactly why the Opera people have were [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► always so mad because opera was doing [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► all these great features that other [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► browsers would add five years later and [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► act like no one had ever done them [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► before and everyone else believed the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► reason people didn't know about it [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► because opera in the case of operas that [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► opera was would fall down on like the [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► basics like that it was people didn't [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► use it not just because it was obscure [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► and weird but because it just wasn't as [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► good a web browser in most cases those [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► other ones for like boring practical [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► reasons Windows is not as good of an [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► operating system that's what we use [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► these things anyway certainly doesn't [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► have the mind sure but like Windows [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► hello like I said we talked we talked [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► about it on this very podcast it's not [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► like we didn't know that it existed and [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► a lot of these features and I think we [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► talked about the Samsung face [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► recognition we a lot of these features [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► we do know have even been tried in foam [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► for it foam form factors before but you [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► know the reason we don't like have them [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► in front of mine is because I mean I [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► mentioned the Amazon fire phone last [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► time we like the five cameras and all [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► the sensors and everything is like if [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► they don't work really well it's like oh [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► well yeah they tried to do a thing but [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► they essentially failed and so it will [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► rise to the level of public [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► consciousness [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► if it becomes popular and everyone [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► agrees that it works really well and [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► because if we're every where and every [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► phone would be using it and so like no [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► one has really cracked it kind of like [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► fingerprint centers that essentially [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► work really well everywhere now and so [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► they're very very common so that's why [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► everybody knows unlocking the phone with [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► your finger as a thing whoever was first [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► with that and getting it to work [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► obviously we know about it from the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► Apple world but for all we know Android [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► was doing it you know years before but [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► anyway that technology is kind of [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► settled and it works just fine face [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► recognition is still in the realm of [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► maybe on some desktop computers and some [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► operating systems some people think it [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► works great but no one has really nailed [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► it on the phone to the point where it's [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► better than fingerprint unlock or you [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► know typing in a code or whatever I also [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► do still do think that there are [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► significant challenges with face [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► recognition as an unlock method around [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the issues of how do you confirm the [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► authentication and what do you do if you [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► don't want to authenticate something you [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► know and one one person I think it was [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► on Twitter pointed out the example of [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► like what if someone takes your phone [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► out of your hand and hold it up to your [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► face and then it like if the only come [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► thing is recognize your face and then [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► tap a thing on screen to say okay then [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► somebody can take your phone and just [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► authorize it right there in front of you [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► and then walk away we're gonna make [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► another Indiana Jones reference but a [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► writ is lost our current so you know [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► that one like the the watch [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► authentication where once you unlock [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► your watch as long as it's on your wrist [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► it's it's you know it stays unlocked but [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► if someone is to steal your watch it [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► automatically locks when it leaves your [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► wrist so I can imagine a similar feature [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► where the gesture of picking it up and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► putting your finger on part of the [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► screen your finger has to be there then [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► then the camera recognizes you then you [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► press the screen or slide in a direction [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► or whatever and if any point in that [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► chain like that your finger leaves the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► phone surface oh wherever you're [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► supposed to be holding them then then [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► it's all over so some pull the thing out [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► here out of your hand and you know I [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► don't know it's a difficult problem [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you'd have to incorporate you'd have to [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► incorporate the fingerprint sensor I [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► guess but right like and the thing is [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► like the more complex that the gesture [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► is or the more requirements it has to [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► succeed in to unlock the phone and to [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► keep the phone unlocked the more often [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► that it won't work in legitimate use you [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► know the more legitimate use cases I [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► have were like okay well what if I want [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► to often to keep my phone while it's [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► sitting on a table and I could put my [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► thumb on it now but you know if you have [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► to have your hand on a certain part like [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► touch ID is so good I feel like it [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► solves so it solves or avoids so many of [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► these other weird little problems that [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► it would it would really take a lot to [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► make it worth not using touch ID anymore [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► I don't know I'm glad this is still a [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► rumored feature so don't even know if [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► shipping at all we won't have to [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► consider this but oh I guess we'll all [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► find out I still think it would be neat [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► to like just have it sort of work by [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► magic and just pick up your phone and [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► using it's just automatically unlocked [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► because you're you I would probably [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► sacrifice that for for the security of [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► like oh what if someone rips the phone [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► out of your hand because you know that's [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► not that common enough occurrence and my [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► circles that I travel in but for other [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► people I mean obviously if you have an [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► option to turn this on or off [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► really help let people decide what their [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► security profile is and we said in the [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► last show if you're in a situation like [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► in an airport or you're going through [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► immigration in some country you'd want [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► to avoid both touch ID and deface [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► recognition because you can be you know [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► compelled to unlock your phone in that [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► way there are other ways where you can [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► lock down your phone so that you have to [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► enter a big long password which they [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► would have to you know use what was it [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► rubber-hose cryptography pipe wrench [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► retiree tog Rafi this depending on what [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► version butters from the xkcd comic or [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► from the idea that the ask a CD comic is [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► derived from they just beat you with a [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► pipe wrench until you tell them the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► password this reminds me also of the the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► watch unlock on the desktop so if you [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► have an Apple watch that is actively [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► unlocked you're I forget the exact [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► requirements I think you're all on the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► same like iCloud account or something [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► like that and you've enabled everything [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► on every device then what you can do is [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► if your watch is physically close to say [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► your iMac or something like that and you [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► tap a keyboard button or a mouse button [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► to wake it up then it's it will see if [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► your watch is nearby and if it's nearby [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► and it's authenticated etc then it will [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► go ahead and unlock the Mac for you and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► that seems perfectly reasonable until [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► you think about say in office where you [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► know most of us work in cubicles and so [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► what if I'm a couple cubes down or maybe [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► it the next cube over and somebody goes [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► up to my work machine and neo smacks the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► keyboard and it feels like my watch is [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► close enough then guess what that [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► thing's getting unlocked and on the [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► surface that's terrible but in reality [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► you should in theory be close enough [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► that you can hopefully see what is going [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► on with your device and if you're not [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► close enough to see what's going on it [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► hopefully wouldn't allow itself to be [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► unlocked but it's a similar kind of [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► problem right where there's a pretty [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► reasonable explanation or expectation I [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► should say that you are close and that [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► is the intended results for your device [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► to unlock but you don't know for sure [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► now the difference is which I didn't get [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► a chance to talk to you before the chat [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► rooms started yelling at me that you get [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► a notification on your watch hey [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► such-and-such has been unlocked [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► but it to me rings a similar set of [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► potential problems and for me it's been [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► working out really well and it's super [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► convenient so I kind of agree with you [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► John that in the circles I travel in [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► yeah I'm not too worried about it [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► by the way Casey as the person who knows [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► that they've seen Raiders can you do you [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► know what reference I was going to make [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► before I bail no I definitely [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I've seen Raiders many times but I do [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► not know they're a beginning bit with [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the idol I gotta take the idol off but [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► put a sandbag of equal weight like [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► someone maintained at the part that [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► you're it's kind of like stealing your [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► watch while keeping something touching [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► the sensor on the bottom so it stays [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► unlocked you know I bet Apollo Robbins [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► could do that yeah that's I was just [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► about to ask who's that guy that can do [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► that unbelievable like stealing stuff [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► while you're talking to that but that's [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► his next level you gets an Apple [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► sponsorship like he can remove people's [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► watches without them knowing but can you [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► do it while at the same time like [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► keeping something touching the proximity [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► sensors underneath the watch so it [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► remains unlocked that's the trick all [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► right moving on before I get stuck in [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► some Apollo Robbins videos they are [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► mesmerizing all right an anonymous Apple [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► source familiar with mdns responder has [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► also written in they said now I'm [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► quoting you said mdns responder was a [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► mess and had tons of bugs John said that [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► we didn't say that [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I couldn't let that pass without a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► response the reasons for the Bonjour [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► rewrite were entirely political nothing [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► to do with mdns responder if your [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► manager looking for something for your [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► team to do rewriting some extra software [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► seems much safer much existing software [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► excuse me seems much safer much more [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► predictable than thinking of something [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► new for yourself rewriting something [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► from scratch as we all know is that [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► terrible idea and there's a link to the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► seminal Joel and software blog post [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► about this very thing coming back to the [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► email if you measure it in admittedly [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► crude simple numerical terms of number [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► of devices deployed mdns responders [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► arguably the most successful piece of [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► software ever to come out of Apple as [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► well as being on an almost every Apple [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► product it's also many other devices [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► almost all network printers TiVo network [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► cameras etc and in every Android device [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► which is not just Android phones and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► tablets but also Android based [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► accessories if you consider the quality [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► and robustness of the mdns responder [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► code is illustrated by the fact that [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► even after being neglected for five [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► years finding an old copy of mdns [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► responder from a previous OS version and [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► installing it on Yosemite still worked [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► better than discovery d software Apple [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► brief briefly shipped before reverting [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► back to mdns responder I'm amused that [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► you heard that the return to UM DNS [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► responder was instigated by celebrity [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► emailing Tim Cook you're right about [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► that part except it wasn't Bono [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► wasn't Bono was Vint Cerf fair enough [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► and who is Vint Cerf can you explain to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► the audience that's why we have link to [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► the Wikipedia page one of the fathers of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► the internet an old guy who did a lots [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► of important work on the early internet [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► is that you know I'm not that old so [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► well first getting back to the part of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► this of NBS responder being a buggy [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► there's a basis for that like first of [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► all being neglected for five years it's [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► never good for any piece of software [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► second as a regular user it was not [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► uncommon to have weird problems with [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► your Mac and to have the solution be [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► killing em DNS responder right I think I [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► don't know if you guys remember that but [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► I certainly do right so whether you want [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► to consider it a buggy mess or whatever [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► it is something that would be a [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► candidate for hey this this essential [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► piece of the system seems like it might [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► be getting a little creaky and if [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► someone has a good idea about how to [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► vastly improve it by all means do it the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► Jones software thing about you should [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► think you should never do you should [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► never rewrite suffer a law that's been [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► hashed out to death I mean it's it's a [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► good presentation of a particular of one [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► side of a particular issue but of course [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► sometimes you do have to rewrite things [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► so many good things that we love came [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► from the decision to rewrite things you [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► just have to know when to do it and when [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► not to do it was basically Joel's point [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► but it was expressed in a very [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► hyperbolic way of like oh you should [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► just totally never do this let me tell [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► you all the great things that are about [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like software that already has all the [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► corner cases and you know all the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► education all the things that you've [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► learned over the years right baked into [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► it but on the Mac we have examples of [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► rewrites that are great and a lot of you [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► know important things that we have on [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► the Mac today are because someone [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► decided to abandon some old code and [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► rewrite it and we have some cautionary [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► tales so I think there's a reasonable [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► mix and I think it's not you know out of [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► bounds to say the mdns responder as it [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► was a candidate because it did cause [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► real-world problems for regular people [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► to the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► it wasn't exactly the P Ram point but it [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► was the point at a certain point in the [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► history of the Mac that killing him DNS [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► responder to fix a whole host of [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► problems it became like one of those [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► things you might just want to try [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► because it could be what's going now [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► politically speaking who knows maybe [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► this because they said oh just don't [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► ever fix MDS respond over five years [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► whoever this person who wrote it seems [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► to think the project was neglected but [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► obviously discovery D was not a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► successful rewrite and whatever reason [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► that the rewrite was undertaken and the [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► people who did it and whether that the [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► expertise are really understood what [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► mdns responder was doing and how it did [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► it and all the decisions that led to its [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► design all the things they learned it [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► just seems like it was not it was not a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► project undertaken with the right [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► attitude and by the right people but [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► anyway this as to the idea of MDS [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► responder being on lots of different [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► systems this is news to me as well I [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► suppose it's got to be an open-source [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► component or maybe it's part of some [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► wider like I don't whether it's part of [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► Darwin or something even bigger [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► open-source component I don't know I [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► mean I only know it because it's that [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► process that I had to kill my Mac [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► sometimes it was super important and [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► then most people know because it's the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► thing that came back to your place [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► discovery didn't make your max work [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► again well I did some very very quick [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► research sorry for everyone who knows a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► lot more about it than this but so [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► Bonjour is the is the zeroconf [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► networking protocol that Apple [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► popularized under that name and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► basically if you wanted to you know use [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► like a network printer or I use network [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► shares that were just listed by their [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► names automatically find each other [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► there's there's a very good chance it's [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► using this Bonjour protocol part of the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► Bonjour software is M the NS responder [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► which is like the daemon on the systems [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that manages that that apparently MDX [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► responder itself is open-source under [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the Apache License and and so it [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► apparently went into all sorts of things [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► that had to support zeroconf networking [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► and/or bond the Bonjour protocol I think [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► you mean rendezvous right what a better [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► name rendezvous it was like so zeroconf [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► is the techie nerdy tech nology and then [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► rendezvous was how Apple branded it but [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► then in one of the rare cases or Apple [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► lost or decided not to fight someone [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► challenging their I figure what [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► situation was whether they just said oh [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► never mind [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► in your name or they actually lost the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► court case they have to change it so [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► they changed upon her which is not bad [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► but boy rendezvous it was better exactly [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► so anyway so it appears that like lots [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► of different operating systems and [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► devices like printers and stuff all [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► embedded ambience responder because it [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► was open source so apparently that's why [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it kind of went in all these different [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► things and went everywhere and is [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► apparently in Android as well which is [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► pretty pretty impressive that's that's [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► you know that is okay I gotta give this [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► guy credit for pointing out the stuff [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► like that is really quite widespread and [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► I always just assumed it was just an [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► apple thing but nope [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► oh I would add the idea of it being [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► successful in it being deployed [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► everywhere two very different things [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► there's lots of software that's deployed [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► everywhere the success if your success [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► is just measured by how far and wide you [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► spread all sorts of terrible things can [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► be quote unquote successful Windows that [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► many but even if you just take some [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► terrible code in the core of UNIX that's [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► just been passed around because it's [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► sort of unimportant but it's just that's [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► where a lot of bugs and buffer overflows [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► come from some really old library and [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► some BSD UNIX variant that just gets [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► passed around and no one ever looks at [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► it and it's just gross crusty little [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► corner and yeah anyway I don't know [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► exactly why mdns responder was chosen as [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► a victim for a rewrite but I think it [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► was it was a reasonable decision but it [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► was followed up by terrible executions [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► so you gotta you get both parts of it if [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► you if you identify the parts of justice [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► and that could benefit from rewrites [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► then you do a bad job you have not [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► succeeded what it's worth open-source [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► not Apple comm slash source slash mdns [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► responder oh and by the way now that we [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► know more about the open source nature [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► of this maybe it wasn't such a good [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► candidate because when there is a [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► project like an open source project that [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► lots of other people use that is sort of [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► being worked on like other people have a [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► stake in this like if mdns responder [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► really is broken or whatever presumably [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► there's lots of people from lots of [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► different companies that are motivated [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► to make it not suck right and you say [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► you know what we're gonna write our own [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► thing it's like saying we've been using [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► WebKit which everybody helps update but [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► we would like our own engine so we're [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► just gonna start our own from [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► scratch again it's probably not a great [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► idea now I'm DNS responders house same [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► things web kid obviously in terms of [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► complexity importance but if everyone [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► else in the industry is using endianness [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► responder and presumably updating it and [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► fixing it and you decide to go to on [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► your own boy you better have the best [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► team available with lots of people on it [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► to equal the effort and smarts and [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► experience of everyone else who's [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► maintaining in the as responder so [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► perhaps it wasn't actually such a great [TS]

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00:22:02 ◼   ► all right Syd Polk writes I was at Apple [TS]

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00:22:07 ◼   ► released there was a guy who worked on [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► linkers he was bothered one day by how [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► slow do LD was so he spent the weekend [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► writing a new one from scratch because [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► why not it was eventually released in a [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► software update during the 10.3 cycle [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► but the release notes for it were [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► included in the 10.4 release the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► engineer who wrote dild 2 also wrote [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► dild 3 I trust Kim's specifically also [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► this is what public betas are for we did [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► not have those in 2003 which is kind of [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► funny I think people are surprised at [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► exactly how few people are responsible [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► for such important part so this isn't [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► like they always assume is like hundreds [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► of engineer and is like I figure what [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► Twitter's employee count was some was [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► something obscene like 3,000 employees [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► or something like what are all those [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► people doing and then you learn like how [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► many people work on you know the dynamic [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► linker for the Mac operating system and [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► iOS and TV Oh us and watch OS and you're [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like boy that's probably a team of a [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► couple hundred people it's like five [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► people it's like five you know and [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► really like like two or three of them [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► are doing the bulk of the work and the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► guy who did the D way LD you know is [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► largely responsible for the do LD three [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► also was responsible to do lb 2 and he [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► did it in a weekend and an earlier more [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► innocent time push it out in a software [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► update in the middle of the ten point [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► three point next cycle you know this is [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► a different time but even today like the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► teams are teams at Apple are smaller [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► than you think [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► and that gets back to the whole like how [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► money can't solve your your talent and [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► retention problems like if you could [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► mold money into the shape of people [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► Gollum style or Gollum style and or how [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► to pronounce it in this context Apple [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► would do it but they can't they actually [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► have to hire people and keep them happy [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► and give them interesting things to do [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► and you need the right people and very [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► often some of the best software is [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► written by very small teams of people [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► who really know what they're doing and [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► are very enthusiastic rather than [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► hundreds and hundreds of people being [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► directed by seventeen levels of [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► management fair enough [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► also it's Gangnam style actually I [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► probably even pronounce that wrong there [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► you go all right anyway please cut that [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► from the show so I don't get a million [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► pieces of feedback no anyhow hair in [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Kirkland writes in on my Mac to FX I had [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► that is not a very good name of him [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► honest but [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► on my Mac what's not good about 2fx [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► that's one of the best Mac names ever [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► one of the best Mac's everyone FX who [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► does like FX it's pronounced effects [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► it's got an accident so it's cool that's [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► a it's a pun for effects it was the name [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► of a movie in the 80s about special [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► effects they don't make those anymore [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► now you get now you see them which is [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► about magic or something terrible [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► remember movie magic that was a great TV [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► show effects the whole yeah neither one [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► of you is probably seeing that effects [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► and that's probably a terrible 80s movie [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► but Casey might like it don't you make [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► fun of fun for October no I'm just [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► saying like you're not gonna turn up [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► your nose at a movie with like slightly [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► dated sort of tropes or whatever anyway [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► FX was a great movie to get movies [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► terrible in case you would like it I [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► know right great movie to catch on a [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► Saturday when you're 12 years old I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► don't know if I love you John or both on [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► my Mac two effects horrible name or not [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► right snare in Kirkland I had a floppy [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► disc or a little while why are we still [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► talking about this i poppy disc [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► autoloader that would hold 25 discs for [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► unattempted retrospect backup and it [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► relied on auto inject this is the [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► discussion actually I was having with [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► Merlin at some point oh I think it was [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► off the air about I had this [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► recollection that there were devices [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► that would do the floppy swapping for [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► you I'm like that's probably just [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► something I was thinking of when I was a [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► kid I don't think those things ever [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► existed because when you're swapping [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► floppies manually you're like surely I [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► can make a machine do you know some sort [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► of Rube Goldberg machine to do this for [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► me right but this person says that [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► apparently such thing actually existed [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► so my I convinced myself that it was [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► like a false memory but then I asked you [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► remember the make and model and he [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► didn't I would love to if anyone anyway [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► if anybody has knows more about these [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► can provide like a picture or a name or [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► something to Google so we can find one [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► of these things and see what it looked [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► like I would love to see such a thing [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► you can always you can't rely on the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► world of large-scale backup hardware [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like tape drives and everything else for [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► the weirdest stuff out there you do a [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► large-scale backups on to 3.5 inch [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► floppy disks that sounds great right [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► well you know and and because like there [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► was a need for that like not everybody [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► needed that at that time but someone [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► needed it and someone was willing to pay [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► thousands of dollars for that probably [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► yeah retrospect whether it was a Mac [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► backup program which someone the chat [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► room was saying was terrible but I think [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► had some kind of neat features I used it [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► for many years all right any other [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► follow-up kids we're still in follow up [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► I know this was a long one those emails [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► were good though so that's true [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► they were pretty good I'll give I'll [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► give John a bye on this one because we [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► all know good follow-up is our fault but [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► bad follow-up is John's fault that [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► sounds right all right so chief waffler [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► in chief what'd you buy these days this [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► was not a waffle this was just straight [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► up narrower down that question Casey [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► what did you buy in the last four [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► biggest thing physically speaking that [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► you purchased recently what what impulse [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► buy what multi-thousand dollar impulse [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► buy did you just do so we've had our our [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► wonderful plasma 42-inch Panasonic 85u [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► TV for about ten years and it's fine [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► it's great but you know in in the room [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► that we have it in like we we have a [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► pretty large like first floor great room [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► in our house when I first got this TV I [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► was still in apartments and it was great [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► for apartment for apartments in the room [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► we had it in it was a little small for [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► like the setup we had in that room but [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► it was still fine so I was just waiting [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► for it to die before I replaced it I [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► didn't want it to die for a long time [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► because a nice 1080p plasma was still [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► kind of the best thing you could get for [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► a while and I often wanted to die for a [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► while because over time like when I [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► bought it you could get a 42 inch screen [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► that was like the highest quality type [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► of screen today if you want a great [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► image quality TV the smallest you can [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► get them in is usually 55 inches and for [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► a long time I was I was kind of hoping [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► that my TV would hold out long or long [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► or longer because [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► a 55-inch plasmas were huge like you [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► know because plasmas still retained [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► quite a bit of thickness and bezel with [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► you know even even until the end of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► plasmas compared to the other [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► technologies and so a 55 inch plasma was [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► a pretty big thing and I thought that [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► would be too big for the room and for [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the TV stand and everything else so I [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► really didn't want to upgrade to that I [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► also like 1080p was great and like i [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► already had 1080p with great color great [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► black levels like great you know great [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► brightness everything else because [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► plasmas are awesome so I was basically I [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► didn't want to have to replace my TV [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► until he got a really great 4k HDR OLED [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► TV because I hate LCD like LCD is a [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► terrible TV technology the only thing [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► good about it is that it costs almost [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► nothing that's it [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► everything else about LCD TVs is [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► terrible so I wanted to use go from [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► plasma to OLED and don't don't even give [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► me anything about LED TVs because we all [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► know that's fake that's a wonderful [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► marketing sleight of hand I can't [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► believe they pulled it off but they did [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► when we were at the beach last week the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► house had a really big cheap LCD TV that [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► was about 50 inches and TIFF messaged me [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► one night saying ok we can get a bigger [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► TV I said nothing and within 45 seconds [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► it was already ordered in on its way why [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► was she saying that because she was [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► watching the cruddy LCD TV in there it [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► was like why does that mean we can get [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► AB it was the one in the house 2 small [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► fir [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► I think she was fine I think seeing the [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► cruddy one finally convinced her that a [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► bigger TV can look really nice oh it was [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► this one bigger it's 50 you said yeah [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► it's 50 and I was compared to 42 and so [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► she was like wow this 50-inch does it [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► feels so much bigger sitting closer to [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► it then yeah she also was sitting closer [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► to it yes but anyway I've been dying to [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► get a know a 4k OLED TV ever since I saw [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► one and Best Buy like last year and I [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► already had all the research done that [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► like you know that if I had the reason [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► to get a 4k TV this year that I would [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► get an LG [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► you know whatever the LG 4k OLED series [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► of the year was because all the reviews [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► seemed to be in pretty wide agreement [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► that that's basically the best one out [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► so finally TIFF said okay we can get a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► bigger TV and I said absolutely nothing [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► about it until it arrived because I did [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► not want to bring the conversation back [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► up to have it maybe be back down or have [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► her mind changed this I'm not sure if [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► this is indicative of you having [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► mastered marriage or you having a real [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► and true problem with buying shit or [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► maybe both to be honest with you TIFF [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► did not appreciate this strategy where [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► are you sleeping tonight are you [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► this resulted in a she to get me back [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► for it she pairs got me undoing all the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► wires and stuff with the old one which [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► is basically used to periscope of my [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► butt leaning over the TV stand for like [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► an hour and now we are even but by the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► way the small TV problem remains we have [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► a small TV in our bedroom and it was so [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► hard to find a small television they [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► forget about like the best picture [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► quality just like not the worst picture [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► quality because small televisions are [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► like Oh someone's gonna use in the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► kitchen so put the crappiest thing you [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► can it hasn't gotten better over time as [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► everything's crept up it used to be the [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► good TVs were 42 that new go TVs were 50 [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► this is the minimum size now like you [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► said the good TVs are 55 minimum size [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► everything's creeping up so to try to [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► find like now it's a choices kitchen TV [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► or 55 inch and in between the bill mans [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► land of crap yeah basically it's so I'm [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► sorry what model did you order Marco so [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I I did what I had been researching to [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► do I did a quick double-check before [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► just make sure nothing have changed [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► but everyone seemed to agree so I got [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the LG 2017 4k OLED series that has [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► sevens in the names and they have they [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► put a number in front of or a letter in [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► front of them to indicate [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► as far as I can tell nothing except like [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► the soundbar that's included so you can [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► pay like a small or you well no no no [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► these are small amounts you can pay a [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► smaller amount to get one with just like [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► regular TV speakers in it like on the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► back and then you can pay like a [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► thousand dollars more to get a little [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► sound bar in the bottom and I hate sound [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► bars anyway so that that was not gonna [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► be a thing and then you could pay a [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► thousand dollars more than that to get [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► like even better of a sound bar on the [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► bottom or something and and so the one I [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► got is the base model of the 2017 one [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► which is the LG c7 TV so it's amazing [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► that 55 inches yeah 55 yeah so why [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► didn't you go to 65 well first I knew I [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► wanted I knew I had to like sell this [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► when it arrived and and now that we see [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► it in the room I think I actually [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► probably could have pulled off 65 but [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► the reason why I'm glad I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► I'm happy enough with the 55 now is that [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► first of all it is a substantial upgrade [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► from 42 but the good thing is the TV [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► itself does not look that much bigger on [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► the shelf because there's such a [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► difference in bezel width like the the [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► new one has almost no bezel at all and [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► the old one the bezels were like you [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► know three inches on all sides it's a [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► huge difference in bezel width and [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► thickness like the new one looks really [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► sleek and has a screen that is more than [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► 10 inches bigger but it doesn't look [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► like that that much bigger of a TV which [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► is nice because we we don't want the TV [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► to like dominate the look of the room [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► like when you get a TV that's too big [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► for the room or this even just like kind [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► of big for the room that is like your [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► eye is drawn to that even when it's off [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► like it's you just have like this big [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► black wall in your room like it's [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► something that is very dominant and [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► because like our TV is not like in some [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► like back room of the house it's like [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► the main room like we walk into our [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► house and you're in this like main room [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► that has the TV in the living room and [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► dining room all like in one big room to [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► make the TV substantially bigger I think [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► would would look too big for the room [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► but now we have the actual screen size [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► of the bigger TV without it looking that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► much bigger so it's almost like we've [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► got the extra screen size like for free [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► visually but the head about the touch [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► idea [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► the back though the only thing is TVs [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► have gotten a lot more full of crappy [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► software since I last bought a TV 10 [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► years ago or worse products through [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► software yeah exactly green like this TV [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► takes a good 20 seconds to boot I don't [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know why a TV has to boot but [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► fortunately if you just put it in like [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► standby mode instead of turning it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► because it's got away boss you have to [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► say it like yeah all software on TVs is [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► terrible but everyone agrees this is the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► best software on TVs or close to the [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► best I mean there is there's some [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► disagreement but if you want any kind of [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► quote-unquote Smart TV features the [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► webOS things that that LG uses are the [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► least disgusting let's say that because [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► nobody does what Panasonic used to which [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► is completely utilitarian minimal like I [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► remember my first Panasonic Plasma had [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► like the volume the little volume bar [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that appears and screaming you change [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► the volume mm-hmm [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► was really small and was jammed against [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the bottom edge of the screen so it [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► obscured its little like nobody does [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► that now now you change the volume and [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► it's like a giant fairy comes out and [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► waves a magic wand that sparkles fly [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► from it and this bar from a bubbling [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► liquid moves forward in this pulsing [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► past I know my god just change the [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► volume the good thing is it's actually [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► you know even though that the software [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► is really kind of overbearing it is it [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► doesn't seem like it's horrible software [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► it's just it's software where I don't [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► really need there to be software but the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► good thing is it also has built-in apps [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► for Netflix and Amazon video so every TV [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► has that excite no III this is this is [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► again like the offer people it's like [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► yes we know we invented those years ago [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► yeah I know but so it's new to me and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► it's actually kind of nice and it's got [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the the little accelerometer remote with [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► a little mouse cursor thing which I [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► thought would be terrible but having [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► used it it's it's actually pretty good [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► we have different opinions about that no [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► you know like it I mean the alternative [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► is using like a five-way pad to move a [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► little thing around I like the little [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► accelerometer of course we're thinking I [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► have not found it to be to have the [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► precision I want maybe that's just me [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► maybe I don't have the precision I want [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► but would you prefer to go tap tap tap [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► tap tap tap because I find it I find it [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► put it this way [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► I find it [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► more precise than the other main thing I [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► use to navigate stuff on TV which is a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► stupid Apple TV remote where I'm forever [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► trying to swipe vertically and [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► horizontally and that's true it's [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► misinterpreting me yeah yeah so for the [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► listeners who might have missed what we [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► were talking about here the remote to [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► this behaves a lot like a Wii mote where [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the TV somehow senses I don't know if [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it's only solar ometer or if it's also a [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► division based thing like the Wii mote [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► head with a little IR bar but somehow [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► they're remote you just wave it around [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► and it moves a little mouse pointer [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► thing on screen and it doesn't I don't [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► I'd say it does not work as well as a [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► Wii mote does in that way is it isn't as [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► precise or stable so it's fine [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► ultimately you know it I'm assuming that [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► there's gonna be a 4k Apple TV update [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► this fall once we have that 4k Apple TV [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► I don't expect to ever use the built-in [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► software on this TV again it's the kind [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► of thing I'm just like setting it up [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► once going through all the pictures [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► having trying to find out how to make it [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► look normal and then you just leave it [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► after that so I I don't expect the [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► software of this TV to matter at all to [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► me you know after this way except for [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► potentially the boot time and whatever [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► the volume control looks like when you [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► move it up and down that's well I'm not [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► I don't use the vine control the TV who [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► uses TV speakers animals that's who we [TS]

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00:40:08 ◼   ► better watching you briefly on the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► periscope try to adjust the picture I [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► have some advice here we go this is how [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► TIF gets you back it's not the butt cam [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► 2017 edition it's giving John insight [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► into how you set up the TV just come to [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► our house and do it for me I mean it's a [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► periscope and he's under the public eye [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► and he's just fiddling around with [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► things but in general what you were [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► doing is exactly what people shouldn't [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► do when they adjust the TV which is play [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► with the settings and try to see it try [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► to think does it look right turn this on [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► turn this off what does this mode mean [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► blah blah blah so you're never gonna [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you're never gonna arrive at anything [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► that way so to first of all the thing [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► that Marco knows and that everyone else [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► should know is when you buy TV no matter [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► where you get it from almost all the [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► time it is configured badly it might [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► still be in showroom demo mode where [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► everything is like super saturated and [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► super bright with all the effects on but [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► even if it's not the sort of standard [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► default modes on most TVs is not quote [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► unquote accurate it's not what what the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► people who created the content we're [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► expecting you to see because they're [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► sort of creating it and you know [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► mastering it in in a particular color [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► space with the expectation things look a [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► certain way the only way to get the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► television configured correctly is to [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► use some sort of calibration thing [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► whether it's an app or a blu-ray or [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► whatever and the tricky part is the the [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► place where your configuration thing [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► comes from like the source affects how [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► you're configuring it like if you can [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► get a configuration thing to run on your [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► Apple TV that will and your and your [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► adjustments are per input that will [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► correctly adjust the Apple TV input but [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► then how do you correctly adjust the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► input that is you know if you use that [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► same setting and apply it to your other [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► inputs or some TVs don't even let you do [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► like how do you apply that to the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► blu-ray [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► and how do you applied to one of the [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► cables in or whatever that's something [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► you have to sort it out in every TV but [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► he did right you have to get a [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► calibration thing and there's tons of [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► calibration things that are out there [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► they give you grayscale things they tell [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you what it should look like and then [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► all sorts of color patterns and then you [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► have to basically mess with the menus of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► your television to get the test patterns [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► to look correct to do that to figure out [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► I don't know what all these words mean I [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► don't understand but what these you know [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► the settings are like auto you know [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► dynamic fresh dank like you know [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► sometimes if you look in the manual [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► they'll translate them to like the [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► actual meaning but most of the time what [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► you want to do is seek out on the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► Internet [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► one of those forums where people spend a [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► million years adjusting their TVs and [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► people have like basically Settings [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► lists for the televisions say in order [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► to get this particular exact make and [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► model of television to pass a reasonable [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► calibration test here's all the things I [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► had to change it to and sometimes [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► they'll hopefully say here's what these [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► settings actually mean and this sounds [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► like a long video or like I got to go to [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► internet forums and scroll through like [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► web bulletin boards like it's like 2003 [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► and just find setting packs for people [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► and and download them sometimes and it's [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► like here's the thing you only have to [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► do this essentially once and then just [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► to it you know just over every few years [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► right once you get it set up and [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► calibrated according to the calibration [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► app and you and you kind of know what [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► the settings do and you know which ones [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► to how to turn everything off and what [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the different things mean mostly all you [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► need to do is it just like contrast [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► brightness and a few other things as the [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► screen ages in it and it drifts a little [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► bit and that's really the only way to do [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► it you can't do it by looking at [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► people's faces things that skin look [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► right to you you will never do it that [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► way you can't do it by looking at video [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► and saying does that motion look right [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► to you need to use a calibration app and [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► there's tons of them out there or or you [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► know calibration DVD or calibration [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► blu-ray or whatever the hardest thing to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► do is cadence which you probably don't [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► care about did you see if you're you [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► didn't even have a blu-ray player do you [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► like to see if you can have the ps4 yeah [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► well do you ever watch it do you ever [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► watch anything that you care is showing [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► 24 frames per second kids if you don't [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► care about that you don't need to do it [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the hardest one to do the only way I've [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► found to do that one is to use a camera [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and configure to use a shutter that's [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► open for a second and run a pattern that [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► you know does something over the course [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► of a second and you can see if you see [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► even lighting in the one second exposure [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► if you don't see even lighting that [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► you're seeing three to pull there pull [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► down because one frame was on three [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► times the frame was showing two times [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► and the three times when it's brighter [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► the entry times one so you get this sort [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► of checkerboard bright dim bright dim [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► thing that's how you know you're getting [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► the wrong cadence true 24 frames per [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► second cadence everything will be [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► exactly equal brightness because it was [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► 24 frames in each one of them as shown [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► you know for the same amount of time [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► that's the hardest to calibrate I don't [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► know how to do that with an app I just [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► know I'd do it with a camera in an app [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► but the other ones just you know get an [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► app and easiest for you you have an [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► Apple TV there are apps on the App Store [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► like thx apps or whatever like go climb [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► on download doesn't really matter which [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► one it is they all kind of have a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► similar test pattern some of them might [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► be better than others and just spend a [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► day with it and it's important to [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► calibrate it both during the day time at [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► a night time and figure out the balance [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► of brightness especially for televisions [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► I don't know that oh it's not as bright [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► as a LED backlit LCD but I think it's [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► brighter than most plasmas but sometimes [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► you have to make a trade-off between [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► does this look right at night time [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► versus does it look right in day and [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► your television and I believe most [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► televisions have an ambient light sensor [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► they can be like don't worry about it [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► you just calibrate it and I'll use the [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► ambient light sensor to adjust the [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► brightness for you sometimes you want [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► that because it's helpful but other [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► times it'll just screw with your [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► settings so you calibrate it and then [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► night comes and the ambient light sensor [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► screws with all your settings and you [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► can't see anything in the dark scene so [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► if it's up to me I would pick a good [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► medium setting and turn off all the [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► dynamic stuff that this TV is gonna look [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► like exactly like this all the time [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► please do not dynamically adjust [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► anything but anyway it's it's a lot [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► harder than just let me go through the [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► menus and try a few things and I think [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► it's worth while I think it's worth [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► adjusting because if you do if you spend [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the day adjusting it and you know maybe [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► like three months later or six months [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► later run through the adjustments again [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► just to make sure the thing hasn't [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► drifted and then like save the original [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► setting and like in the middle and when [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► we switch back to the other setting and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► be like oh god it's just it's terrible [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► it's like it's like suddenly everything [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► was you know you know that it's like a [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► festival in India or something we use [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► colored powders [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► everything something everything is like [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► super oversaturated it's like it doesn't [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it doesn't look right it doesn't look [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► natural it looks like someone has thrown [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► festive colored powders over everything [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► in your television you don't want that [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► just ask Merlin you know what the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► powders so did you did you just fiddle [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► with controls and you like act good [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► enough and that you're never gonna [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► revisit it I at least did just finish [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► fiddle with controls and say good enough [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► I don't know if I will ever revisit it [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► or not I probably will cuz we only been [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► we only had like one night with it so [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► far to really play with it so we will [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► probably still be messing with some [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► stuff I will say though that this is [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► probably going to be an area of my life [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► that I choose the kc path add a boy the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► path of not being very picky just one [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it's just one day pride in your case one [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► day over the next ten years that you're [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► going on this television just spend the [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► time yeah you said it would also be one [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► day doing bootcamp on Windows to set up [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► the gaming fort if so come over you know [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► take a day off for work that's the other [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► option you can pay someone to calibrate [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► it for you but I think it's a remor you [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► just do yourself with an app but if if [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► the next time I am at your house if you [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► give me some time I will do this to your [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► television because it's a service I [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► provide how busy could you be just come [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► tomorrow at the very least make sure you [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► have the size set correctly can I at [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► least convince you to do that you mean [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► like I like instead of like fake over [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► scanning and then uh exactly like make [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► sure that it's actually showing I think [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► I have it correct I haven't like tested [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► anything like they can verify on the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► edges but you know how you can tell [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► whether you have it correct calibration [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► now this is like the first thing they're [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► gonna do is like hey can you see all all [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► the pixels of a 1080 in the 4k picture [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► or is it cutting off the stuff around [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► the border because you have fake [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► overscan on alright send me send me the [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► name or a link to an Apple TV app that [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► do you think I should try and I will [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► give it a shot yep but I really can't I [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► don't think I'm gonna spend a day on it [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► that seems like a lot well I I say a day [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► cuz you know whatever you people but it [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► could turn into a day depending on how [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► obsessed you get about it let me guess [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► not terribly obsessed also Marco there's [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► an easy way to fix this problem stop [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► caring well [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► that's the most easy way to the second [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► most easy way and by the way I highly [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► recommend that it's it's wonderful [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► ignorance is list like AC where you [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► can't tell what's going on anyway that's [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► also that's also an easier fix but it [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► also affects other parts of your life [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► take your glasses off that's great but [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► no the the second easiest way to fix [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► this is to tell John that you have three [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► dozen bagels of various varieties that [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► are all on the approved bagel list and [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► all he has to do is come pick them up [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► from your house oh and by the way fix [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► the TV [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► John is free time you can do it yeah [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► that seems reasonable I would do it for [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► three dozen bagels problem solved [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► alright so you happy with it again I've [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► only had like one night to watch it so [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► far but so far yes it is not as dramatic [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► of a change as I would have guessed you [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► know maybe if we don't if we went all [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► the way to 65 it might have been it if [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► you went from a crappy LCD to this it [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► would be you're just used to black [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► levels that are reasonable anyway but I [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► mean I feel although I obviously have [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► many more sense into this than most [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► people but when I went from my previous [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► Panasonic Plasma to my current Panasonic [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► Plasma I was startled by how much better [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the black levels improved Justin like [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► when you turn it on it's not like a logo [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► like or whatever on a black background [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and I could tell wow this is you know in [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► my opinion quote unquote dramatically [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► better than my previous plasma but if [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► you had gone from LCD to OLED and you [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► turn on the LCD and it just you know [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► like whatever Samsung and then a black [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► background and this thing it turns it on [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that says LG and a black background you [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► would be startled by exactly how black [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it is but going from plasma maybe not as [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► startling to maybe you don't notice much [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► although I have to say your plasma is [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► old enough that it is you know still [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► several generations behind the best [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► plasmas got before like plasmas went [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► away so right because because I got so [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► big I could I couldn't upgrade yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► but but like yeah and also like I've [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► seen very little 4k content on it so far [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► because there just isn't that like right [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► now the only way I had to get 4k in [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► there is the built-in Netflix and Amazon [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► apps the Amazon app I had a very hard [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► time getting it to show me anything in [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► 4k the Grand Tour no it showed me Grand [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► Tour in HDR but 1080p for some reason [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► like I couldn't get it to set me up to [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► 4k I don't know I don't know why maybe [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► it's the settings I couldn't file it in [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► the settings couldn't find anywhere [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► I did I was able to see real 4k with [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Netflix and well I watched a little bit [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► house of cards and so that was nice but [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► house of cards is a pretty dreary gray [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► show it's like like there's so many ways [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► yes so III wasn't able to really see [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► like you know what is like a beautiful [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► nature scene like I want like the stuff [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► they show on the demo reels and Best Buy [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► like all the beautiful nature scenes you [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► need Planet Earth just go good Wow [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► I have Planet Earth but I don't know how [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► to get it in 4k yeah the other thing is [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► that you should look go to one of those [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► viewing distance calculators it could be [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► that your viewing distance and your [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► television size is such that you're [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► gonna have difficulty discerning 4k vs [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► 1080 at that combination so you're [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► saying I should have gotten the 75 yeah [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► well you have to use one of those [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► calculators to see but I was too proud [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► when I did the tape measure thing to see [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► like here's where I sit on my couch in [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► here so far away my television is yeah I [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► would have to step up to bigger than 55 [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► - to really get the benefit of 4k I mean [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► not that it matters like you don't have [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► a choice anymore essentially you're [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► really had a 4k TV whether you want or [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► not we're just fine but I'm saying is [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► that don't don't get hung up on the 4k [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► too much until you've done that [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► measurement to see can my eye even [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► resolve the difference in dot pitch [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► essentially between 1080 and 4k at this [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► size television of this distance well [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► and isn't it isn't just about like being [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► able to resolve individual pixels you [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► know like you can you can look at the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► screen of an iPhone 7 and then next to [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► it on iphone 7 plus the 7 plus screen [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► has a much higher dpi and the 7 plus [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► screen looks better and you might not be [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► able to identify like oh that I can see [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► pixels on this one on this one I can't [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► like you can't I can't really see them [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► on either of them but 7 plus is non [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► native res though maybe you're just [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► responding to the blurring yeah maybe [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► who knows probably not but anyway so [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► like and there's also HDR the different [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► contrast ratios so like there's a huge [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► amount of improvement to picture quality [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► here that was not just the resolution [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► yeah the framerate and color range [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► potential framerate and color range [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► differences are what you want although [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► 4k content especially like on Netflix is [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► also very heavily compressed so you know [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► you're gonna run out and buy a blu-ray [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► player but if you really wanted to see [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► what this television can do blu-ray is [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► your highest quality the highest quality [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► video that you can bring to your home [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► still comes on a plastic disc which is [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► sad but true but is there 4k blu-ray is [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► that a thing [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► mmm really I didn't know that can the [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► ps4 non-pro do that I have no idea I [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► don't even know this is one of these [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► teeming away from 4k as I realize I have [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► to just rip out my old set up because [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure my receiver maybe it has [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► 4k passed through on like one of its [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► inputs or whatever I just have to like I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► have to start over like 40 people in the [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► chat just said no no no no none of the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► ps4 do this no please don't [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► oh my god no no no so apparently I have [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► to get an Xbox one s x1x [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► but I don't know what that is don't you [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► or you could just get a blu-ray player [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► they're pretty cheap and you can get [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► players or pieces of crap I hate them so [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► much I hate like blue just the the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► blu-ray spec is the worst thing that has [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► ever happened to movies you know [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► everyone hates it but it still if you [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► want to get like a hundred and something [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► gigabytes of the highest quality video [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► of your favorite movie okay the very [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► least you got to get the blu-ray then [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► rip it on your Mac and then find a way [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► to play it losslessly off of whatever [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► device you put it on which I also still [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► haven't mastered because of the 24 [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► frames per second cadence problem as [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► previously discussed although someone [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► did mention this Plex valve for the ps3 [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► and when I revisited it and I saw Plex [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► was already installed on my ps3 I think [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► I already tried it but Plex changes fast [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► so maybe it got fixed I don't know maybe [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► the thing is like again like this fault [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► when the Apple TV 4k presumably exists I [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► have a feeling that's going to be my [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► answer to this I think I'm just gonna [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► like by 4k stuff on iTunes and call it a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► day [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► yeah you hope they have it for sale I [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► know I really hope they have and I also [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► I kind of hope that I can like maybe [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► upgrade some things I've already bought [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► like I bought Planet Earth 2 on iTunes [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► and I know that is available on 4k [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► somewhere and you know if I I would hate [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► to have to like rebuy the whole thing at [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► and like a none discounted new price to [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► just get that but I probably would [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► anyway because it's so good that that's [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► on it like - if you really want to show [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► off 4k you need like you know bright [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► nature scenes but [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► I uh or even just I want to see the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► Apple TV screen savers in 4k I was [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► thinking look amazing [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► I don't think the source video is 4k [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► though it's like I've watched them so [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► great I think this is 1080 like when [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► you're on Ariel the screensaver on your [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► Mac I'm always struck by how on the 5k [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► iMac anyway I'm like ooh that's blurry [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► like this looks much better I might lose [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► my TV is 1080 in my 5k iMac because you [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► know whatever giant resolution it is [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► well that doesn't mean that the source [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► is not 4k that just means that Apple is [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► not publishing more than 1080 worth of [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► you know stream yeah I understand like [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► are they are they gonna quote they're [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► gonna remaster is they gonna go back to [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► the red 8k footage or whatever this [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► stuff was taken from and and remake all [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► those videos also if you happen to see [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► the back of a truck roll by Marco from [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► what I can tell Grand Tours between 20 [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► and 30 gigs for 4k and and there are [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► trucks that haven't but how do I get [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► them onto my TV in a way that actually [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► can play 4k 4k content please don't make [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► it the Grand Tour I know for 4k old man [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► wrinkles no no I agree I agree I'm just [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► trying to think of something that that [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► you would potentially at least slightly [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► enjoy and typically as well shot and [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► pretty yes I understand your point about [TS]