The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► it would shoot out about halfway like [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► kind of a tongue sticking out of your [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► mouth that make this little noise yeah [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► and then it would pop out okay we can [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► get started as always with follow-up and [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► approximately one tenth of the Internet [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► I counted wrote in to tell us about a [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► drag-and-drop replacement if you recall [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► I spoke about drag-and-drop last week [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► and it was a thing where if you wiggle [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► your mouse you get kind of a shelf for [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► lack of a better term where you can [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► store things temporarily and then drag [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► them off of that shelf into somewhere [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► else so it allows for allows for you to [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► you know manipulate your computer rather [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► than having to commit to a drag start to [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► finish all in one shot and a bunch of [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► people wrote in very helpfully and [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► suggested you Inc which I have installed [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► there is a demo outside of the App Store [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► I installed it ran the demo for about a [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► day realized this is pretty much as [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► close to drag-and-drop as I can possibly [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► get without actually being drag and drop [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► and so I then purchased it for $7 from [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► the Mac App Store and it is quite good [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► the only basically allows you to have a [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► shelf not on like drag and drop in some [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► ways it's actually better than drag and [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► drop because it allows you to put [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► multiple things on the shelf whereas my [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► recollection of drag and drop was that [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► basically it was one item and that's it [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► or you know like one collection of items [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► basically one drag operation into the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► shelf was all you got whereas with you [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► link you can put several different [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► things in the shelf all at once you can [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► drag them out as one unit or drag them [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► out as individual units etc etc etc it's [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► very very good I like it a lot protip in [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► the preferences which I don't have in [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► front of me and I'm not gonna try to dig [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► up but there's a way to say rather than [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► having the Shelf appear on one of the [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► edges of the screen you can have it [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► appear very near where the drag is [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► happening which is a faux replacement [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► for the wiggle the mouse approach of [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► drag and drop which I loved so yeah [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► having used doing for all of two or [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► three days two thumbs up from me I [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► wonder if the reason why I drag and drop [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► under business was that it's impossible [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► to talk about on a podcast without [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► saying the animal dragon and the word [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► drop not drag that and - drop [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► clarify all these things but yeah it's [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► it's good stuff so I definitely [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► recommend it and like I said there's a [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► demo if you want to try it out for a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► little bit we'll put both a link to the [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► developers website where you can grab [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► the demo and the App Store link in the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► show notes so a several of you wrote in [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► to encourage John siracusa to talk about [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► old Mac stuff which is almost as bad as [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► encouraging Steven Hackett to talk about [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► old Mac stuff so let's talk about old [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► Mac stuff John tell me about old Mac [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► menu UI if you please this is a quickie [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► we talked about a last show the old Mac [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► way of doing menus in the menu bar [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► having to hold down the mouse button and [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► many people wrote in to tell me a thing [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► that I guess they think I didn't know [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► but maybe other people don't know as [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► well that you can continue to do that in [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► case that wasn't clear from the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► discussion last show you can continue to [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► use the menus the old white because of [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► course that way still works like it is [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► it's kind of a subset of the regular way [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► so go try it right now if you want to [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► feel like you're living in the days [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► before I'm gonna say Mac OS 8 Mac OS 7.6 [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► I don't know if someone in the chat room [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► can look up when the Mac operating [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► system switch to the windows style of [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► clicking on menus and though they stay [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► down but anyway the window I love the [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► way you say it the windows style I mean [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► I guess you could say it's an X Window [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► System stylized some some xx windows [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► manager probably did it before Windows [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► and next probably did it before Windows [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► I don't know anyway certainly wasn't the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► Mac style the Mac style was the Mac [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► style from the very beginning anyway you [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► can continue to do it the old way if you [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► want to some people have you to do it [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► the old way I thought I was gonna [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► continue to do it the old way in the [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► same way that I continued to remap [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► command end to create a new folder [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► because you know I tried it the other [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► way didn't like it some habits die hard [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► but I totally switched to the windows [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► Mouse technique way as soon as they [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► added it not by any conscious choice it [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► just happened and that's just the way it [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► is but some people wrote in to say hey [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► I'm still doing it the old way so it [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► works some people so anyway give it a [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► try all right so to keep with the theme [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► jira Cox writes in and says I'm 33 and [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► have used most Mac's since the PowerBook [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► 160 I've never even heard of quote [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► floppy Auto inject quote when would you [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► use that so they talked about floppy [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► Auto inject in eject Glashow floppy auto [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► eject is pretty self-explanatory max [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► from the beginning could eject their own [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► floppy disk there was no button that you [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► would press to make the disk come out [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► through software through the operating [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► system you would do something to make [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► the disk be ejected likes like this [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► couldn't select eject from the file menu [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► or wherever that was and the disk would [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► come popping out not all the way like in [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the Mac portable and space shooting the [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► disk out because we have gravity here [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► and friction that caused by that gravity [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► as the floppy the floppy disk rubs [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► against the lower parts of the apparatus [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► but anyway it would shoot out about [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► halfway like kind of a tongue sticking [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► out of your mouth and make this little [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► noise I've heard that noise and that is [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► perfect I heard that sound a lot havoc [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► having an original Macintosh with one [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► floppy drive and so I would have the [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► operating system on one floppy and then [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► you'd have the application and the data [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► on the other floppity boot from the [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► operating system floppy and then you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► deject that a ghost image of that disk [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► would stay on your desktop so the [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► computer still knew that was there but [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► you would you would eject it but not [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► unmount it then you would stick in like [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► say the macpaint floppy disk which could [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► contain macpaint [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► plus maybe five or ten of your own [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► images you know the app plus your files [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► and you'd have to do this floppy disk [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► dance of operating system disk [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► application disk or whenever the [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► computer asked for it and the computer [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► would ask for it by spitting out one [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► disk and saying please and start the [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► disk system disk and you would take up [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► whatever just it just spit out and put [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the system disk in and it would ask the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► application disk back and forth and back [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► and forth being able to do that the the [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► floppy swap of taking out the one that [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► it has Auto ejected and putting in the [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► other one with one hand was a very [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► important skill for Mac users then you [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► could have the mouse of the keyboard and [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► be doing whatever and also be flawed be [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► swapping this bag of worth it got a [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► little bit ridiculous in certain points [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► anyway that's Auto eject [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Auto inject is the more subtle and [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► therefore the the more valuable the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► attribute of Mack floppy drives which [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► was when you took a disk this had to do [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► with the this switching back and forth [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► auto ejectment that you didn't have to [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► like press a button like the disk was [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► already there you just grabbed it an [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► inch of the thing was already sticking [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► out of the thing [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► Auto inject meant when you stuck a [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► floppy disk in you wouldn't have to like [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you didn't on PC shove the three and a [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► half inch floppy all the way in like in [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► and down kind of like a Nintendo [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► cartridge right an NES cartridge like [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► you didn't have to shove it all the way [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► in and down right it was so much work oh [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► it was just egregious Marco do you [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► remember the pain we went through yeah [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► what you would do instead is you you [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► would push the the floppy disk in and [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► just as you were getting toward sort of [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► towards the end of the travel when the [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► the disk the edge of this would start to [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► be flush with the edge of the case the [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► drive would pull the disk out of your [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► hand which is a spring-loaded mechanism [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► it's not like it wasn't complicated it [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► would suck the disk in so you just have [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► to push it in and give it a little flick [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► and I would go shrink and they were just [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► sticking by itself so you didn't have to [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► take the disc out yourself by pressing a [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► button and you didn't have to shove the [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► disk all the way in and down it would [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► pull the thing it's kind of like like [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the Mercedes whatever Auto soft closing [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► yes of course yeah yeah but it wasn't [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► soft your Mercedes is not the only car [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► that offers that feature I think they [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► were the first one with the s-class many [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► many years ago but anyway it was not [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► soft this was very very hard and thing [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► and and since I had you know the only [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► thing I had used before the Mac were [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► five and a quarter floppies which you [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► know you just slide in and turn that [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► little knob thingy down right there's no [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► they didn't go in and down they just [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► slid directly in and they were actually [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► floppy right so I had never used a [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► three-and-a-half inch floppy that wasn't [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► an auto inject and eject until like the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► first time like I encountered a PC they [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► used that maybe it was like the ps2 or [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► whatever whenever PC makers finally [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► started bundling three and a half inch [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► drives and it was just so gross because [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you know you got that wait for the light [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► to stop blinking and press the eject [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► button across your finger is that on the [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► Ajax I don't know man the index I'd I [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► would push it the skin and we just come [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► bouncing back at me like is this thing [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► broken pushed it just comes bouncing [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► back like now you have to shove it all [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► the way in anyway that's Auto inject and [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► it was awesome I love that we've become [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► like the podcast all about you [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► B ports and floppy drives the most [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► important parts of computing the most [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► relevant for today's do you know when [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► when you see a BMW driver on the road in [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► there driving aggressively not using [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► their turn signals and just generally [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► living up to the BMW stereotype you know [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► that moment what are you like you know [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► what yeah those are jerks well then you [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► hear Jon Stark used to talk about how [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► egregious it was to use a PC floppy disk [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► drive back in the 90s and you think yeah [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► those Mac guys yeah they were kind of [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► obnoxious about the Mac now it's hard [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► not to be obnoxious when you have [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► something so much better than my eyes [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► just rolled right the hell out of my [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► head about Auto is like these are you [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► know Apple didn't make these drives like [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► their source from Sony or whoever makes [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► them right every PC vendor could have [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► had auto eject me inject the eject part [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► was you needed OS support for that [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► because that was just a philosophical [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► and technical difference of like does [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► the OS manage when the disc is unmounted [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► or does the user manage it you know what [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► Microsoft chose there but auto inject [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► could have been added to pcs and [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► probably was on a bunch of pcs it's just [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► that PC makers you know ever pension [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► those pennies would not spend two cents [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► to add a feature like that which in the [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► days of floppy of swapping floppy disks [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► was a huge quality-of-life difference [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► but there's no way they would buy the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► fancier drive that would do that because [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► everything had to be as cheap as [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► that's my PC suck I gotta say you know [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► I'm a sucker for any kind of cool like [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► fancy little luxury feature but Auto [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► injecting ejects just never crossed that [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► barrier for me we're both the the hassle [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► of pushing a floppy drive in a floppy [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► disk into the drive and pushing a small [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► button to eject it was never a big deal [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► to me and then having it be entirely [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► software based and having to do software [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► eject on the Mac always was more of a [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► hindrance to me and I recognized you [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► know things like we even mention about [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► like unmounting the disk you know I [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► recognize why it's useful to have that [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► be software driven or software or hepps [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► offer be involved but the fact is that [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► it's worse as a user to to have that be [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► software based and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► have all these additional parts that [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► could fail in the drive like that drives [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► did not fail first of all someone asked [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► that in the thing no they did not fail [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and in my entire life of Max with floppy [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► drives not a single one ever failed in [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► any way no part of it inject eject the [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► reading no part of the drive ever failed [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► I got a lot of Mac's with floppy drives [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► I am curious to know that whether that [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► whether on a large scale there was a [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► meaningful difference in failure issues [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► III feel like in my life my lifetime [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► usage of max represents a large scale it [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► probably does I've never heard of a PC [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► floppy drive feeling it never yeah I [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► mean I think it's just a generally [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► reliable thing like I'm not saying that [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► not auto-injector eject one failed to I [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► just think it's a very very chunky [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► reliable Pisa and they got so much use I [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► mean you know it was like flawless [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► whopping yeah Buddhists they're pretty [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► they were pretty solid moving on [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► Lewis Garber writes in to say that I [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► guess we as an Apple considered naming [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► the daemon for this is dy LD we [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► considered name in the daemon dy l DD [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► for a while but settled on closure D [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► naming is one of the hardest problems in [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► CS he's the one who gave the [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► presentation or part of the presentation [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► on dy LD 3 at WWC I think his last name [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► is gerberg not my father's sorry anyway [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► it's anyway you can watch the [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► presentation and see and or hear him I [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► forget if he appears in the video but [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► yeah dl DD was on the table sadly not [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► chosen why is that so sad cuz it would [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► have been funny [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► yeah alright John one should cover this [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► next piece of follow up for me here's [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► another difficult name you're trying to [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► give me a brass first name this is a [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► problem I'm gonna go with you but anyway [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► this is someone linking to a blog post [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► I'm assuming is where some works that [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► automatic the the company that this is [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► the same company that makes the box that [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► you put in the old dirty bastard port on [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► your cars it's it's probably something [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► like the Luba milkovic wow that was [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► pretty good that was Jane you cheat with [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► the internet no I'm just guessing [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► right I'm wrong maybe it wasn't pretty [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► good anyway this was that I'm sorry I [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► apologize this this thing was added like [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► while those two were talking on the live [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► streams I'm a little bit behind [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► insurance today I talk about automatic [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► how they just cut their iOS apps launch [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► time in half and how do they do it the [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► obviously do ld3 isn't like out for [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► everybody yet they're talking about like [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► their existing iOS app they did it the [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► old-fashioned way based on some advice [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► they got from a WWC 2016 talk was like [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► hey if your app is taking a long time to [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► launch and you use a lot of dynamic [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► libraries actually you may be spending a [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► lot of your time in the whole part that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► happens before main is called where it [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► figures out all of the dynamic libraries [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► and loads them and loads all their [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► symbols and does all the code signature [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► verification all sorts of other stuff [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that happens before your code even [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► begins executing and to avoid that you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► can take all that stuff and compile it [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► into one giant static framework that's a [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► part of your executable and you could [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► skip all those steps and that's exactly [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► but is not really what you probably want [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► to do because you know it's convenient [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► from both a development perspective and [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► also obviously when you're dynamic [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► linking to system libraries it's [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► necessary to not have everything [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► compiled into a giant static binary and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► so they talked about in this blog post [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► what they had to do to make that happen [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► it will be better if they could say oh [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► we don't have to all this hack that we [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► did to put everything into one giant [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► static library we don't have to do that [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► anymore in iOS 11 because closure D not [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► do al D D will do all this caching for [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► us and instead on startup on the second [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► time we start people to say it will ask [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► closure D hey do you all look up stuff [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► for us good just give us the answers and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► then we'll continue from there [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► but either way it's interesting blog [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► post we will link it in the show notes [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► and they break it down into like how [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► much time was spent doing dynamic [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► library loading rebasing and binding for [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► all the addresses and everything an [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► other category and you can see how they [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► they cut it down so people are trying to [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► I guess I maybe I underestimated exactly [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► how much time is spent into the dynamic [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► linker for large complicated [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► applications versus how much time is [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► spent like in your application launching [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► loading all sorts of resources other [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► things like that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► all right Walter writes in any ideas how [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► Apple will handle the transition to new [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► file [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► formats on older Mac's that don't [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► support hardware encoding and decoding [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► of h.265 what will happen with users who [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► have a mixture of old and new devices [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► like a brand new iPhone and a 4-year old [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► Mac how's that gonna work well we [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► already have some indication of this [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► because if you happen to have installed [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the beta on your phone and I've taken [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► any pictures with your phone and you [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► don't have the beta on your Mac of high [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► sierra then you can see what happens in [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the Photos app where it actually is [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► handled somewhat gracefully it downloads [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► the the hief version as the photo and [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it's it's able to show you a render of [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► it as a JPEG and some kind of fallback [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► mode but if it's a live photo it can't [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► play it and if you try to export the [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► original or do any kind of meaningful [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► operation on it it says something on the [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► lines of the full resolution version of [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► this isn't a 4-month isn't supported so [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► it actually does like you know it has [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► all these he files it in the other being [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► sent over from the phone wearing I was [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► 11 but the Mac Photos app on whatever [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► version I'm running that's not High [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► Sierra what is this regular regular [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► Sierra when they say that now the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► exchange names every year I lose track I [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► like forget entire mountains and stuff [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► but anyway so that's that's how they're [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► doing it so far we'll see like you know [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► like they they try to be smart about [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► things like in share sheets and iOS like [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► they like they'll share out a JPEG or [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► they'll share out you know presumably [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► for video the part we share out in h.264 [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► mp4 file or something like that so their [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► prop there trying to be smart about it [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► but in certain places it's just you know [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► if you have some devices that are [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► greater than some that aren't it's gonna [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► be little bumps in the road like this I [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► think you can't actually export h.265 I [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► remember one of the sessions talking [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► about that like your export options if [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► you use their framework the only option [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► is they just explore like a subtle way [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► of encouraging you hey if you're if [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► you're about to share this out somewhere [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► don't even try to do h.265 this question [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► though specifically about Mac's that [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► don't support hardware encoding decoding [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► of h.265 what will they do well we've [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► seen this before with Mac's that didn't [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► support hardware encoding decoding of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► h.264 back when that was a thing because [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► most of them do these [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► but a long time ago they didn't and the [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► same thing happens with every video [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► Kodak whether it's uh what was the one [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► that was the cool one on the in the [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► error of the blue and white g3 the cool [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► video Kodak DivX no no I like the [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► QuickTime one like QuickTime always had [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► a choice of like what which codecs you [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► want and they would add new ones of oh [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► yeah it was called mob come on oh this [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► is gonna kill me I mean mpeg-4 is pretty [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► old like it like before h.264 there was [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► a regular mpeg-4 video I know I know [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► it's not what I'm thinking of it was it [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► was a codec that Apple was really [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► excited about and would promote as as [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► their fancy the Sorenson there we go [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► someone got it finally anyway [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► back when Sorenson came out it's like [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► what if my or you know issue six for its [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► better example cuz that is hardware [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► support for that what if you can't [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► support well your video playback is [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► choppy or you can't play it at all worth [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► a damn like it you you know it will fall [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► back to software so for h.265 Apple is [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► supporting decoding on like every Mac [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► they sell obviously and lots of old Macs [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► to and there is a software fallback if [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► you don't have hardware gives a lot of [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► Mac's don't have our in fact most Mac's [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► don't have hardware for it and will the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► software a fallback would be fast enough [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► you can find out now go find h.265 movie [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► in MKV you know format on off the back [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► of whatever truck you want to find it on [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► and try to play it and if it is [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► reasonable resolution and you play it in [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► like mplayer x4 Mac or whatever it will [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► play fine but you'll find one that's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► like 4k or even on some things 1080p and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► you'll try to play it an N player or VLC [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► or whatever and it will chop it get be [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► choppy and it will drop frames and it [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► will be crappy but in general I think [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► there Apple software implementation of [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► h.265 encoding and decoding will be just [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► fine for any reasonably modern Mac but [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► just like the h.264 changeover did leave [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► behind some acts that could play to play [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► mpeg-4 video perfectly fine in the days [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► before or MPEG 2 or whatever and had [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► trouble with h.264 without any hardware [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► to help it out really big videos that [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► will happen but it will be fine like and [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► I wouldn't be worried about this if you [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► if you don't remember the super painful [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► transition to h2 6 [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► or you also won't remember the super [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► painful transmission they've just [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► expired of anything h.265 transition [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► won't be easier because I think we'll [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► see the hardware support for a come [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► online sooner because a lot of it is a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► lot of the the hardware that they used [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► to do it is similar enough to h.265 [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► decoding that we already have close [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► analogs to it so I think the hardware [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► vendors won't it won't be too painful to [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► add the hardware to do a 265 decoder [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► it's already in the newer chips oh and [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► related to this similar questions that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► any day a chance to put in here a lot of [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► people asked kind of what Marko was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► getting at for the heath stuff [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► actually it's tangentially related will [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► they take all the my existing pictures [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► on my phone for example is a common [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► question and convert them all to Heath [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► to save space right because I've got you [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► know I've got 100 thousand pictures or [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► whatever from I've had an iPhone since [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► day one they took all these pictures [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► they're JPEGs he was supposed to be half [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► the size will Apple convert them all I'm [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► how most hundred percent sure the answer [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► that is no they won't because there [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► would be a quality loss now that doesn't [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► mean could Apple convert them or or [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► could they be a way for you to convert [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► them off of course yeah this I mean [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► they're your photos you could convert [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► them all you could buy a third-party [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► program to convert them all and delete [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the JPEGs or whatever I don't think this [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► is a feature that Apple add but they [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► could they could have a big button and I [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► cuz as I take all my JPEGs and convert [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► them and I'll accept the quality loss [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► which probably won't be that big deal to [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► get the space segment or whatever but I [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► really don't think they'll do that [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► because converting a giant library would [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► take a really long time unless they did [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► it server-side which is not Apple's [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► forte and you will lose quality on them [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► and there's lots of things I've been [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► doing losing edits and other type of [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► things in lossy ways like that it's [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► basically a destructive operation [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► converting JPEGs to teeth would be if [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you want to get space savings out of [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► them would be destructive because you're [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► taking a lossy compressed format and [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► you're doing another lossy compression [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► on top of it and even if you you know [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► even if you think you won't notice any [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► difference or whatever and you're [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► desperate to save the space you'd be way [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► better off for both your sanity and like [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► tech wise to just get a phone with more [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► space on it then to try to convert all [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► of your things so I don't recommend that [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and I don't think Apple will do it but [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► there surely some third party will so if [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► you're desperate to do it you will be [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► able to [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► sebastian Kraus writes in to say I think [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► the reason why Apple's finally [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► supporting the opus codec is that [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► they've announced WebRTC support for iOS [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► 11 and hi Sierra and opus is one of the [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► required codecs so you have to support [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► in WebRTC and Sebastian has provided a [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► couple links to put in the show notes [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► this is also why I think that opus will [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► see a very high adoption rate eventually [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► because every device with a browser that [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► supports web RTC according to spec also [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► has to support opus which was news to me [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► and I thought very interesting yes the [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► news to me too and and I this is very [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► promising because again as much as you [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► know that I'm a huge fan of mp3 the fact [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► is it would be nice to have a more [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► modern codec that was as what the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► support of his mp3 and was unencumbered [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► as far as we know by patents and that's [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► what opus is and and that it would be [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► wonderful if opus had widespread support [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► because it is so much better than than [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► mp3 at lower bit rates that there really [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► are a lot of good uses for it and and it [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► really might be you know worth [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► developing standards for you know for [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► things like podcasters to be able to [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► offer multiple versions of the same file [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► in a reasonable way and have that [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► supported by the tooling and the hosting [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► and everything else so if opus you know [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► if opus can be more what more why they [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► supported it makes all of those things [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► more worth doing and so I donít know [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► anything about web RTC all I know is [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that it is it is potentially useful for [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► things like recording podcast [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► double-unders in browsers and that's [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► cool I don't know if I would use that [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► but it's cool so I'm glad I'm glad [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► salable so anyway this is nice we'll see [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► what happens my I do still have [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► reservations that I'm a little worried [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► about possible patent issues with using [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► a free codec that has not been under [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► much pad and scrutiny yet but it is a [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► really good codec so any support for it [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► it is probably good let's think support [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► making support for a codec mandatory as [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► part of a standard it's good like it's [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► better than not doing that but it's not [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► a guarantee that people will actually [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► support it especially if it's obscure [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► people could say oh well you know we [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► have WebRTC support but don't bother [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► with the opus support or like do a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► half-ass job of it and [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► really you know like because who uses [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► opus it's not a big deal [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► there is no no one's going to stop us [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► from shipping a web browser and claiming [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► WebRTC would support when our opus [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► support is terrible and crashes are a [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► slower only half exists or you know [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► whatever so these type of formats all [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► begin with oh whether they be our opus [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► or whatever Vorbis all those stuff WebM [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► all these supposedly patent free formats [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that are less popular because they don't [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► have some big corporation that's [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► monetarily motivated to spread them [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► everywhere and put them and you know and [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► platform owners are less motivated to [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► support them because they have their own [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► things that they want to do it's always [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► an uphill battle for them but putting [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► putting support for it mandatory support [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► for it in the specs certainly helps so [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► we'll see we'll see how this shakes out [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► like like apples opus support like their [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► limited support for opus if we talked [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► about this three years from now and they [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► still have a limited support for opus [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► that's not a good sign because it's it [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► would show that they have you know [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► WebRTC itself they might decide is no [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► one's using it it's not that big a deal [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► and the safari team's priority should be [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► elsewhere the WebKit steams priority [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► should be elsewhere so concentrated [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► other standards it takes a long time to [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► stop for something to go from standards [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► defined by stance to about standards [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► body to being implemented widely enough [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► in the browser's that people use to [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► actually be useful to people I mean just [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► look at CSS which I think was CSS was [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► finalized in 1996 or something and we [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► didn't get decent browser support for it [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► for many many many years way too long [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► and even even when people were claiming [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► CSS support it took them so long to [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► actually pass like remember the original [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► CSS one acid test like do you actually [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► comply with all the CSS my CSS 1 specs [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► like no we just comply with the parts [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► that most websites use and the answer is [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► no that wasn't enough but it took so [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► long so here's hoping opus those better [TS]

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00:28:14 ◼   ► you would like to talk about iOS 11 in [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► use and I cannot because I have not [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► installed it on any of my devices [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► because I am NOT a maniac and I am [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► traveling later this summer and even on [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► my iPad which is the most non-essential [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► of non-essential devices I don't want it [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► to be on my iPad until it is extremely [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► stable so speaking of me being quiet I [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► am going to turn this over to Marco well [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► I didn't put this here but I just [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► kidding you think I added the show notes [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► that's the door enough no but I [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► so far you know I have I put I owe s11 [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► on my iPad you know in the very first [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► week and I put it on my phone with beta [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► 2 which was now about two weeks ago and [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► so far it's mostly good there there are [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► some things about it I'm I'm not crazy [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► about yet and I guess I'll start with a [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► bed so I can end with the good like it [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► like a compliment sandwich in a big [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► company like this is maybe an open-faced [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► sandwich anyway I don't know open-faced [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► sandwiches were terrible there anyway so [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► I'm not crazy about the new like giant [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► text navigation bar style and that that [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► isn't all the system maps and everything [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► with the big header and all that white [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► space that's kind of weird [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► I'm also the multitasking stuff on the [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► iPad takes some getting used to because [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► it feels like I have to do a lot more [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► swipe gestures than before to set up [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► apps that like in a multi window way and [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► some of those swipe tests I just maybe I [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► just because I haven't done it done them [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► enough some of them don't make they [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► don't make a lot of sense to me like if [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► like the way you have to like pull up an [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► app off the dock to create it and then [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► you also have to then pull it again from [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► a little dragging handle to like stick [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► it down I don't love the way that flows [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► I'm also not a huge fan at all of the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► new Notification Center it's the way you [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► have to like swipe it down now and this [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► one this is on the phone on the I think [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► I think it's about the same on the iPad [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► but it's mainly getting them getting my [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► way on the phone if I have to swipe it [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► down and then it looks like your [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► lockscreen even though it isn't your [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► lockscreen [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► and then you have to in order to see [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► more notifications than like the first [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► little bit you have to swipe on the [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► screen again to then show like the all [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► notifications view I don't know why that [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► isn't just the first view I don't know [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► why the extra swipe is necessary and and [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► it took me a couple of days to even find [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► that and and to find where is the [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► clear-all notifications button and so it [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► there's stuff that's now like hidden [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► behind these weird gestures that seem [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► like it's actually just more manual [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► work than before for common tasks so I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► don't love that however other stuff in [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► the OS seems great you know on the [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► multitasking side on the iPad I'm just [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► glad they did so much and some of it is [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► not the way I would do it you know the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► weird thing about how like apps are kind [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► of fixed as they're like two by two or [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► they're to two time sets and you like [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► you kind of can't mix and match a gnat [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► between different like quote spaces that [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► whole things a little weird for me but [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► I'm not an iPad powered user so it's not [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► really getting in my way I pet power [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► users who actually have better things to [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► say about using the iPad in that way you [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► know people like Mike and petite Fraser [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► Spears you know they they they have more [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► opinions on this and I suggest listen to [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► all their shows you'll put in the show [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► notes if they've been talking with us a [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► lot recently and so and their opinions [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► seem to be fairly mixed on the thing as [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► well but how like everything is kind of [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► like these groups are kind of fixed and [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► these in these like at pairs and napkin [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► only be in one pair and here we bring up [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► the same pair of apps at a time and so [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► if there's there's things about it that [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► are clunky but it's really cool that [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► they're doing as much as they're doing [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► and all that stuff I think is going to [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► be way better in time now the the [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► problem the problem mainly though is [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► that like with any iOS beta every summer [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► most of the apps that we are using are [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► not taking advantage of this because [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► apps can't ship versions to the App [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► Store that use iOS 11 API yet Apple does [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► not accept submissions of apps built [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► against the beta SDK you have to wait [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► for its release in the fall so the only [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► way to run iOS 11 apps that actually use [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► iOS 11 capabilities that aren't built [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► into the system to begin with is to get [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► on developers test five betas and test [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► flight is wildly broken for most people [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► it's 11 so that isn't happening very [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► much as far as I know so there's a great [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► bright future here of things like the [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► new multitasking stuff the new file [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► stuff the new drag and drop stuff and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► some of the new API is that that make [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► developers lives a lot easier and and it [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► lead to better things for users there's [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► a lot of great stuff here but most of it [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► is still like on the horizon and on the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► phone it makes way less of a difference [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► because most of the really big [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► stuff that users can actually use right [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► now and start taking advantage of right [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► now instead of instead of waiting for [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the summer and waiting for the fall when [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► everyone's apps get updated most of that [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► stuff is that there's more of that stuff [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► on the iPad than there was in the iPhone [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► and especially if you are a a potential [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► user and an Apple notes user so that [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► it's really cool for you know iPad power [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► users and pencil and note people [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► everyone else I feel like and that's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► kind of a mixed bag for now John I think [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► I put this in because I couldn't figure [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► out multitasking I was lovin but a turn [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► it just be a bug where just wasn't [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► working on my iPad I mentioned it last [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► week but like I I was doing the things [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► that you're supposed to do to like [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► combine apps into sets and stuff in like [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► nothing was happening and I thought I [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► was just crazy but it was just about [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► restarting my iPad fixed it whatever [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► it's a beta about the the things that [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► people can be complaining about like the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► limitations of mixing and matching [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► application stuff we're getting into [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► some weird territory with kind of the [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► the mental model of how things work on [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► an iOS like the old build model was so [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► simple and so straightforward like [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► especially before multitasking like it [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► was just such a solid mental model that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► it was obvious to anybody using it [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► they're like when you hit the big the [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► one and only big button on the face of [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► your device you went back to springboard [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► and that's where you saw all your [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► applications and when you launched any [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► application your entire phone became [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that application plus or minus the [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► status bar which was small enough and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► incorporated into the application enough [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► that people didn't think of it the same [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► way we think of the menu bar right and [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► if you wanted to do anything else you [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► hit the home button again to go back to [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► springboard but that was it that was the [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► model you know springboard application [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► application springboard and obviously [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► that's not viable for a sophisticated [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► workflow of any kind and so we had to [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► leave that in multitasking came in and [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► we had the multitasking switchers and [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► now we've got this little floating don't [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► call the window window things and [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► combining multiple applications on the [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► screen at the same time kind of a tiling [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► window manager but the mental model is [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► starting to break down and it like what [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► is what is an iOS application in its [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► running State is it just represented by [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► a single rectangular region [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the screen that it controls and within [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► that rectangle there can be other [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► floating rectangles or like the the [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► model did a lot of heavy iOS users are [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► asking for which seems reasonable to me [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► but is super-weird is like I have [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► messages alongside my text editor I also [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► want messages alongside my web browser [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► why can't I have two spaces or whatever [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► one of which is web browser messages and [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► one of is my text editor messages it's [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► like well you can't do that you got to [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► pick which one you want messages next to [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► but if you did have it next to both of [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► them the easiest way to do it would be [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► like right now it's next to both of them [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► but it's not two instances of messages [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's the one and only rectangle of [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► messages right and it's exactly the same [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► between the two places [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► presumably like this is the way they [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► could implement it right I think most [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► people would be fine with that they [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► don't think they have two separate [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► copies of messages running like one is [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► signed into something different thing or [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► whatever it's like this is just the one [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► and only messages but it appears in two [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► places it's like having two copies of it [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► while the finder does all the time two [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► copies at the same window on your Mac [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► like this is literally the same window [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► anything you do in this window exactly [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► happens in real time in the other window [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► like you could move things around and [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► they remove it that's that would be the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► mental model the other possible model is [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► no you actually have two messages [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► windows but now sudden they're Ram [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► implications and application development [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► implication it's like wait how do I [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► manage that is my application in two [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► states some application no it has two [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► windows this is you know uncharted [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► territory in terms of API and UI for iOS [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► developers to handle this you might have [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► multiple instances of you running so I [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► hope you can manage that internally with [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► the stuff that you're doing that's not [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► how I OS applications work if they have [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► multiple quote/unquote windows up it's [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► still within the one only rectangle that [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► is owned by that application it's not [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► like you have to totally divorce once um [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► but both of those things I describe are [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► pretty weird both from a developer's [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► perspective and trying to explain them [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► to user I had a difficulty trying to [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► explain them right now and I don't know [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► if I could explain them to someone using [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the device like this is how things work [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and yes you don't have to use like oh I [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► don't have to worry about that I'm never [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► gonna do this thing where I split up my [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► iPad screen I'm just gonna treat it like [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► my old iPad where you go to the home [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► button and that that it's good that the [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► iOS falls back to that model you don't [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► nobody has stuff you know it all that [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► swipes you don't do them accidentally [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► use it just like the old iPad [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► application home okay [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► home it's inefficient but you can stick [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► with that model but if they're going to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► try to expand iOS with most guessing as [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► they should to become more sophisticated [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► there should be some kind of coherent [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► explainable model for how things work [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► and I don't think Apple has quite hit on [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that yet as evidenced by like the the [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► immediate reaction of people who are [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► every iOS users like oh this is great [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► but here are a couple scenarios that are [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► not possible within this current [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► paradigm and it is mostly just so jazz [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► to have a new paradigm to even talk [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► about that you know this is the [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► honeymoon period but I think eventually [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► a year or two from now Apple will have [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► to continue thinking about this and say [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► all right how how do we address that is [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► there is there a new mental model for [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► rectangles in iOS and how they relate to [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► applications that is understandable and [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► also useful and generic in the same way [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► that the you know the window implicit [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► windows input mouse pointer what is wimp [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► stand for I forget anyway the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► traditional you know Mac user interface [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► the window style user interface for PCs [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► that everyone is used to and a lot of [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► things you talked about Marco were like [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the edge swiping and how Notification [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Center works and all the weird gestures [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► or whatever like all that is made [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► necessary by the simplified iOS [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► interface that doesn't have essentially [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► chrome there's no menu bar the end of [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► title bars there's no scroll bars and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► that that's an advantage of iOS but the [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► way PC operating systems get around all [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► these things is you don't have to know [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► any weird gestures if you want I mean [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► just look at this like Notification [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► Center on the Mac it's an icon in the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► menu bar it has a privileged place on [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the menu but then put the menu bar is [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► always there and an icon is the thing [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► you can bring cursor over and it's like [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► there's always visible interface element [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► and it slides in from the right it's [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► very much like an iOS interface element [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► but you deal with it like a Mac [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► interface element even though you can't [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► actually slide it with two fingers or [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► whatever to make it appear on the Mac [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► there's a place for visible UI to be for [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► all this stuff that's what window.chrome [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► is that's what you know I mean they kind [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► of wanted a little in that direction [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► about bringing tabs to iOS [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► whereas Safari has actual tabs like [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► where that was kind of weird like [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► where'd that come from there's no title [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► bars or scroll bars or window widgets or [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► menu bar but guess what tabs appear [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► they turn out to be great so maybe maybe [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► some chrome will start creeping into iOS [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► as a solution and we kind of do it with [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► the statusbar - hey you want to zoom to [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► the top of really long document you can [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► tap the status bar which we cheat and [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► decide is a giant button in most [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► scenarios because it's convenient to [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► have a thing that you can press it's on [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► the screen that does an operation so I'm [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► keeping an eye on this that's a lot of [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► talking for a topic that was really [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► based on a bug I'm using I was loving on [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► my iPad and I am using the most features [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► and I'm hitting a lot of the same pain [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► points albeit to a much lesser degree as [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► all the super heavy iOS users because I [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► mean I think about this sometimes think [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► about this when I was listening to one [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► of those podcast you've all using my [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► iPad I'm like people think of me it's a [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► Big Mac head and I do love my Mac and is [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the the thing that I care about the most [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► but on a day to day basis I forget I'm [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► on my phone I spend more time with my [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► iPad than my Mac easy when I'm not at [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► work when I'm at work obvious that's not [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► true and I'm work it's you know I've sit [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► in front of the Mac whole day but when [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► I'm not at work like on weekends I use [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► my iPad way more than my Mac and my [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► phone probably more than my iPad so I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► think it's just everyone's reality these [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► days so I'm not I'm I even though I'm [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► not what you know heavy iOS user in that [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► I need to use it for my work and no [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► annoyed if this thing interferes my [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► ability to perform supposed to get desk [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► I do spend a lot of time in it and as [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► someone well versed in the ways of the [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► Mac and PC style operating systems I do [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► I do feel those limitations actually and [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► you know a little bit of a tangent on [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► that note one of the reasons why I am [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► pushing myself to try to do more on the [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► iPad is because if I can set things up [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► in such a way that I can get more of my [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► work done on an iPad that also probably [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► means I can get more of my work done on [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► my iPhone and my phone is always with me [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► I'm always given chances where I could [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► use it where I wouldn't have a chance to [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► use my computer and so anything I do to [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► benefit my iPad working life will almost [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► certainly help my iPhone working life [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► which will help my working life [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► regardless of what I think of the iPad [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► so it like if you [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► or you know a mostly or entirely Mack [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► head like John or I or Casey that is one [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► reason to investigate productive options [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► for yourself on the iPad is that it'll [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► it'll help you in general on your phone [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► to one other item I had an iOS 11 that [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► has been not a stumbling block but one [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► of one of the things that I felt most [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► immediately and continue to feel is the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► keyboard the new keyboard and iOS 11 and [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► it's mostly just muscle memory because [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► using iOS keyboards for so long I've [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► become accustomed to where things are [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► especially like and when you type your [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► passwords and stuff you kind of memorize [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► the pattern of where things are right [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► now an iOS keyboard like the way you you [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► know like and they move stuff around the [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► iOS 11 keyboard they moved lots of stuff [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► around like the punctuation characters [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► and how you get it special characters [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► and the the flick thing where they'll be [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► you can get to like the number symbol [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► you know how to switch the entire [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► keyboard into like number mode the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► little number is like grayed out above [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► one of the letters like one over the Q [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► wherever the hell it is I don't have an [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► iOS 11 device in front of me and you can [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► get to that by putting your finger on [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the key that you're gonna hit and [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► instead of picking it up slide it [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► downward and as you do that the the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► higher item on the key like slides down [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► it becomes bold to indicate if you were [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► to release now you go to get a one [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► instead of a letter and then you release [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► when I first saw that feature described [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► and the WWC I thought it meant to flick [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► up so as soon as I first installed iOS [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► 11 and I saw this keyboard I'm flicking [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► up on all the keys and it's not doing [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► anything yeah let's flick down and I [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► think them probably makes more sense [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► because as you slide them you can see [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► the key cap changing of what you know [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► what you're gonna get at least I'm again [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► I'm doing on the iPad I don't know what [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► it doesn't the phone so I do like the [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► flicking things but I cannot find the - [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► for the life of me I'm like where the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► hell up I'm already switched into [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► punctuation mode and then I can't find [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► the - I need to just not switch into [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► punctuation mode and like pull down the [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► X or whatever the hell it is now and I [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► thought I would have remapped but I [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► guess using my iPhone which is still on [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► iOS 10 [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► it's not allowing me to remap so I would [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► say that uh for all the people haven't [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► tried on iOS 11 be warned that adjusting [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► to the new keyboard might take a little [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► doing I just can't wait until all my [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► devices are I always eleven because then [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► I can just convert and just forget the [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► old keyboard the new keyboard is better [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► I really do like the flicking I just [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► need to break myself of these old stupid [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► habits of like having to switch modes [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► right it's much better to just remember [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► all the flick things are inflicted them [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that's great I still used it like I said [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► so I'm looking forward to it and I think [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► once my beach trip in August is over I [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► will absolutely put whatever the latest [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► beta is on on my iPad but I am not [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► touching my phone with this thing until [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► it's done done and I don't touch my iPad [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► with it until I'm done traveling [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► perfectly safe for iPads yeah and you [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► hate your a pen I don't eat my iPad that [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► is fake news fake news I don't hate my [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► iPad I just don't love it as much as I [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► used to [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► IIIi don't know because when you go to [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the beach as I'm doing at some point in [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► August you never know what the internet [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► situation is and in all likelihood if [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► there isn't internet in the house I will [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► be able to tether off my phone but I [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► like having the backup of my iPad which [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► is on a different network and thus I [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► don't want to mess with anything just to [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► be safe although the last time I heard a [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► podcaster talk about this it was Mike [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► early and he lasted approximately three [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► seconds before he caved in put iOS 11 on [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► one of his 17 iPads so it's probably [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► gonna happen end up happening before I [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► go on this trip in August but we'll see [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► well but and like you know people like [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► Mike these I've had power users they [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► were like desperate for Elliot to show [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► any kind of you know it's like if Apple [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► released the new Mac Pro in an early [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► beta tomorrow and they said all right [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► you can buy it now but you'll have to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► reboot it once a day I would buy it in a [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► heartbeat even though it because I just [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► want a Mac Pro again so badly okay I [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► would jump on that market if you want it [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► that bad I can stick a sticker on your [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► iMac and it didn't have it's a Mac Pro [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► or I can give it you know what I'll do [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► I'll buy you a trash can and imports on [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► the back and right I am a new Mac Pro on [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► front of it and you'll never know the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► difference it'll probably be just as [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► quick to just take a small amount of [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► tape and onto my macbook pro and cover [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► up the book there we go the day new Mac [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► Pro happens to be portable we respond to [TS]

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00:48:24 ◼   ► talk about iPhone rumors this is the [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► time of year where everything seems to [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► amp up and and things and the rumor mill [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► seems to get ever more aggressive and in [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► the last few days as we record this [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► recording on the Wednesday the 5th [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► there's been some more rumors [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► you literally around touch ID there's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► been a lot of waffling which Marco [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► doesn't know anything about about [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► whether or not there will be touch ID [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► where will it be will be on the front [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► under the screen will be on the front in [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► the chin it will be on the back how [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► angry are all the Apple users going to [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► be if it's on the back and/or Willy [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► maybe not exist at all some in Chi quo [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► has said on the new iPhone that has OLED [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► which is everyone is assuming is going [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► to be called iPhone Pro they're saying [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that there will not be any touch ID at [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► all and instead it will use some sort of [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► face detection including depth mapping [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► in order to authenticate you I don't [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► know how I feel about this my initial [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► reaction is no that's garbage my second [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► reaction is well if Apple was gonna ship [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► it I'm sure it'll be fine and my third [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► reaction is basically the entirety of [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► this week's connected where they went [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► through this that this this face [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► detection thing and I think all three of [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► them kind of went through all five [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► stages of grief right it really was [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► exactly like everything from like you [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► know like the anger and all that [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► eventually to the acceptance like oh I [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► guess this might be better a whole show [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► on it but did anybody say my face is my [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► passport verify me yeah nicely done [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► nicely no I don't think yes remember [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► that Mike hated that movie mati I know [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► it's terrible it so well the movie isn't [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► terrible it's terrible that Mike hated [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► great movie freakin green well I didn't [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► hear that episode but I thought this was [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► still I say we're far enough out now [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► that these rumors about what will or [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► won't be on this phone are still mixed [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► up as Gruber pointed out this week like [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► pretty sure Apple knows what's gonna be [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► on this phone at this point but we don't [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► know exactly what's gonna be on it and [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► so this is this is what's in the next [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► week we had a whole show where we talked [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► about the fingerprint scanner on the [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► back and the difficulty of putting it on [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► the front of the everyone seems to agree [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► that the whole front of this phone is [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► gonna be mostly screen so there's no [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► room for an actual home button even [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► though home button that doesn't move [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► like on the ones on our current you know [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► the iPhone 7 so it's like well if I [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► can't do a fingerprint scanner on the on [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► the screen they'll do it on the back but [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► here are the problems with the ones in [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► the back but it'll be all Android has [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► them on the back of it's fine again we [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► had that whole show on that topic this [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► is the new twist oh never mind that [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► fingerprint stuff that's passe it's just [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► gonna scan your face and this this seems [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► like a lot of confusion in a short [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► period of time about how we're gonna [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► unlock our phones so from our [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► perspective on the outside of like [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► people trying to leak things and and [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► rumors cycling through surely we are [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► getting these rumors like a six month to [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► a year delay of like things that Apple [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► has considered and investigated for the [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► upcoming iPhone but it Apple has picked [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► something and boy I'll find out why they [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► and reduce their phone it's just weird [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► that none of the rumors so far present a [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► product that we all agree that will be [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► awesome and I can't wait to have it all [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► of them are like hmm well you know like [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► we we talked about the fingerprint thing [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► on the back or USBC on the bottom like [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► you think about it and it seems kind of [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► weird and there's always some downside [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► and you're not sure and there could be [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► cool upsides but it's to the point where [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► several times over the past few months I [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► found myself thinking why are we doing [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► all screen on the front of the phone [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► again like remind me again what we're [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► getting out of this because there's a [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► lot of difficulties and you know Apple [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► is giving themselves lots of challenges [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► right and what we heard about this you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► know the OLED all screen phone for many [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► years was like oh it didn't make it this [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► year because they couldn't they couldn't [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► sort this stuff out right and so Apple [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► won't release this until they come up [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► with a way to do this and I think you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► know the iPhone 7 year was like oh this [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► was gonna be here for y'all screen phone [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► nope never mind it's actually you know [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► they couldn't do it and they they [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► couldn't get the fingerprint scanner to [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► work through the thing they couldn't get [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► the camera to work through the screen [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► you know whatever the rumour excuse was [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► it's not ready [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► right but everyone seems to say this is [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► the year the OLED all screen phone is [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► going to come out and we're all waiting [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► to see okay how did Apple solve all [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► those problems and every potentially [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► rumored solution seems weird the face [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► recognition one seems the most Apple II [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► to me because it's kind of like cutting [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► the Gordian knot of having to touch your [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► body to something to unlock your phone [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► it's like nope no don't worry about the [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► touching don't worry about it at all not [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► on the front screen not on the back it [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► will you know will just happen like [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► magic it'll read your face and by the [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► way the same depth sensors can be used [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► for the fake background blur effect too [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► so we you know we put the hardware in [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► there and it's great and we'll use it [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► for all this and it's better than a [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► fingerprint because it has more points [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► of recognition and so on and so forth [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► but you know again I didn't listen to [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► the podcast you were referring to but I [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► I kind of feel the same the same [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► trepidation about about something that [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► requires line of sight like that I mean [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► that's what everyone immediately thinks [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► about it's like what about all the times [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► i unlock my phone when I can't see my [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► face and all the rumors like don't worry [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► when it's laying on the table it'll [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► still be able to see your face it's got [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► a real big wide-angle lens on it it'll [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► pick up your face and you know or then [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► you're like well what about when I when [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► I exist near the phone but I don't want [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► it to a lot unlock based on my face oh [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► don't worry you'll have to hit a button [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► you'll have to hit a button and then it [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► will do recognition or whatever like [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► these are all things where you want the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► Apple magic to come in like just like [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► touch ID seem like a thing that would be [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► terrible and not work and Apple I'd say [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► pretty much hit it out of the park would [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► touch ID like it was if you told told us [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► about touch I'd be like where you read [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► the rumors we'd be like that could be [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► cool but I've never seen that work [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► really well and guess what Apple made it [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► work really well and then they fixed it [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► again and made it work even better [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► I love touch ID I think I said him and [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► the you were talking about our favorite [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► tech products that the iPhone 7 was my [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► favorite tech product and I love the [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► fast touch ID I loved it loved it so [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► much I still love it if face recognition [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► makes me do the same thing think like oh [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► this I thought this was gonna be a crap [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► technology because no one's ever done it [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► well but guess what Apple finally did it [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► well and it's awesome that's the best [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► case scenario if this is as good as [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► touch ID just right now I'm still in a [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► doubting phase yeah I I really nothing I [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► have heard so far [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► about facial recognition speculation has [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► made me say oh that sounds better than [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► touch ID like touch ID is great it works [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► really well it works the vast majority [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► of the time the second-generation one [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► got even better and it's it's so fast [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► and it does solve a lot of those [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► problems like it like you mentioned like [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► what if you are there but you don't want [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► to authorize something like with touch [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► ID you can be physically present on the [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► phone but you can be presented with a [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► sheet or chenna with a lock screen and [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► you can decline to authorize something [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► if you don't want to authorize at that [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► moment with facial recognition there [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► would have to be another step you'd have [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► to like you know hit a button on the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► screen or something like that it's that [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► there are ways this is worse you know [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► touch ID works no matter how you're [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► holding the phone even if the phone is [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► still in your pocket you can unlock it [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► with touch ID to do something you can [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► unlock it as you are taking it out of [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► your pocket before you are fully holding [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► it up which saves time you can unlock it [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► in any lighting conditions you could [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► like it is it is so incredibly versatile [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► and it works in so many ways that I hope [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► that what we're moving to with whatever [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► come whatever comes in the new phone you [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► know if we're actually gonna get rid of [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► touch ID which by the way I'm not [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► entirely sure that I thought I want to [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► believe these rumors and we'll get to [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► that in a second but in in so many [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► recent Apple product developments [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► because so much of the low-hanging fruit [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► of modern hardware has been picked [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► already we we are so often having to [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► make progress only by making certain [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► things worse or by giving up certain [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► things that we're not quite ready to [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► give up yet and we do this in order to [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► get the new hotness we we judge okay [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► well I really want my phone to be not a [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► bigger phone but to have a bigger screen [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► so I guess I'll give up X Y & Z is that [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► is that by the way when I asked before [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► what do remind me again why we're all [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► about this all screen thing is that it [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► is the only one they're just like more [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► more pixels that's it yeah it's fitting [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► a bigger screen in a smaller phone [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► that's that's what it is I'm there [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► I'm thinking that there are other that's [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► the main thing I think there's at least [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► a couple other small potential things I [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► mean that's a big thing but the [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► simplification of kind of like the [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► simplification of making the whole thing [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► screamed with the exception of the home [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► button was such a vast simplification [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► over you know the Blackberry or whatever [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► that going a step farther and saying [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► it's just all screen is you know further [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► in Johnny I've you know distilling the [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► thing to its essence getting rid of [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► extraneous stuff can you you know like [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► you with trying to make your app with no [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► settings like this is this is part of [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► the drive part of the simplification [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► drive and the idea that this phone you [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► know the rumors was delayed because they [TS]