The Accidental Tech Podcast

229: Just Smush the Screen Somewhere


00:00:00   it would shoot out about halfway like [TS]

00:00:01   kind of a tongue sticking out of your [TS]

00:00:02   mouth that make this little noise yeah [TS]

00:00:04   and then it would pop out okay we can [TS]

00:00:08   get started as always with follow-up and [TS]

00:00:12   approximately one tenth of the Internet [TS]

00:00:15   I counted wrote in to tell us about a [TS]

00:00:17   drag-and-drop replacement if you recall [TS]

00:00:19   I spoke about drag-and-drop last week [TS]

00:00:21   and it was a thing where if you wiggle [TS]

00:00:23   your mouse you get kind of a shelf for [TS]

00:00:25   lack of a better term where you can [TS]

00:00:27   store things temporarily and then drag [TS]

00:00:30   them off of that shelf into somewhere [TS]

00:00:32   else so it allows for allows for you to [TS]

00:00:34   you know manipulate your computer rather [TS]

00:00:36   than having to commit to a drag start to [TS]

00:00:39   finish all in one shot and a bunch of [TS]

00:00:40   people wrote in very helpfully and [TS]

00:00:43   suggested you Inc which I have installed [TS]

00:00:46   there is a demo outside of the App Store [TS]

00:00:48   I installed it ran the demo for about a [TS]

00:00:51   day realized this is pretty much as [TS]

00:00:54   close to drag-and-drop as I can possibly [TS]

00:00:55   get without actually being drag and drop [TS]

00:00:57   and so I then purchased it for $7 from [TS]

00:01:01   the Mac App Store and it is quite good [TS]

00:01:03   the only basically allows you to have a [TS]

00:01:05   shelf not on like drag and drop in some [TS]

00:01:08   ways it's actually better than drag and [TS]

00:01:09   drop because it allows you to put [TS]

00:01:11   multiple things on the shelf whereas my [TS]

00:01:13   recollection of drag and drop was that [TS]

00:01:14   basically it was one item and that's it [TS]

00:01:16   or you know like one collection of items [TS]

00:01:18   basically one drag operation into the [TS]

00:01:22   shelf was all you got whereas with you [TS]

00:01:23   link you can put several different [TS]

00:01:25   things in the shelf all at once you can [TS]

00:01:26   drag them out as one unit or drag them [TS]

00:01:27   out as individual units etc etc etc it's [TS]

00:01:30   very very good I like it a lot protip in [TS]

00:01:32   the preferences which I don't have in [TS]

00:01:35   front of me and I'm not gonna try to dig [TS]

00:01:36   up but there's a way to say rather than [TS]

00:01:39   having the Shelf appear on one of the [TS]

00:01:41   edges of the screen you can have it [TS]

00:01:44   appear very near where the drag is [TS]

00:01:46   happening which is a faux replacement [TS]

00:01:48   for the wiggle the mouse approach of [TS]

00:01:50   drag and drop which I loved so yeah [TS]

00:01:52   having used doing for all of two or [TS]

00:01:55   three days two thumbs up from me I [TS]

00:01:56   wonder if the reason why I drag and drop [TS]

00:01:58   under business was that it's impossible [TS]

00:02:00   to talk about on a podcast without [TS]

00:02:01   saying the animal dragon and the word [TS]

00:02:04   drop not drag that and - drop [TS]

00:02:09   clarify all these things but yeah it's [TS]

00:02:12   it's good stuff so I definitely [TS]

00:02:14   recommend it and like I said there's a [TS]

00:02:15   demo if you want to try it out for a [TS]

00:02:17   little bit we'll put both a link to the [TS]

00:02:19   developers website where you can grab [TS]

00:02:21   the demo and the App Store link in the [TS]

00:02:23   show notes so a several of you wrote in [TS]

00:02:27   to encourage John siracusa to talk about [TS]

00:02:30   old Mac stuff which is almost as bad as [TS]

00:02:32   encouraging Steven Hackett to talk about [TS]

00:02:35   old Mac stuff so let's talk about old [TS]

00:02:38   Mac stuff John tell me about old Mac [TS]

00:02:40   menu UI if you please this is a quickie [TS]

00:02:43   we talked about a last show the old Mac [TS]

00:02:46   way of doing menus in the menu bar [TS]

00:02:49   having to hold down the mouse button and [TS]

00:02:51   many people wrote in to tell me a thing [TS]

00:02:54   that I guess they think I didn't know [TS]

00:02:55   but maybe other people don't know as [TS]

00:02:57   well that you can continue to do that in [TS]

00:03:00   case that wasn't clear from the [TS]

00:03:01   discussion last show you can continue to [TS]

00:03:03   use the menus the old white because of [TS]

00:03:06   course that way still works like it is [TS]

00:03:07   it's kind of a subset of the regular way [TS]

00:03:10   so go try it right now if you want to [TS]

00:03:11   feel like you're living in the days [TS]

00:03:13   before I'm gonna say Mac OS 8 Mac OS 7.6 [TS]

00:03:21   I don't know if someone in the chat room [TS]

00:03:23   can look up when the Mac operating [TS]

00:03:27   system switch to the windows style of [TS]

00:03:29   clicking on menus and though they stay [TS]

00:03:30   down but anyway the window I love the [TS]

00:03:32   way you say it the windows style I mean [TS]

00:03:35   I guess you could say it's an X Window [TS]

00:03:37   System stylized some some xx windows [TS]

00:03:39   manager probably did it before Windows [TS]

00:03:41   and next probably did it before Windows [TS]

00:03:44   I don't know anyway certainly wasn't the [TS]

00:03:45   Mac style the Mac style was the Mac [TS]

00:03:47   style from the very beginning anyway you [TS]

00:03:49   can continue to do it the old way if you [TS]

00:03:51   want to some people have you to do it [TS]

00:03:53   the old way I thought I was gonna [TS]

00:03:54   continue to do it the old way in the [TS]

00:03:55   same way that I continued to remap [TS]

00:03:57   command end to create a new folder [TS]

00:03:58   because you know I tried it the other [TS]

00:04:01   way didn't like it some habits die hard [TS]

00:04:02   but I totally switched to the windows [TS]

00:04:05   Mouse technique way as soon as they [TS]

00:04:09   added it not by any conscious choice it [TS]

00:04:11   just happened and that's just the way it [TS]

00:04:13   is but some people wrote in to say hey [TS]

00:04:14   I'm still doing it the old way so it [TS]

00:04:17   works some people so anyway give it a [TS]

00:04:19   try all right so to keep with the theme [TS]

00:04:22   jira Cox writes in and says I'm 33 and [TS]

00:04:26   have used most Mac's since the PowerBook [TS]

00:04:28   160 I've never even heard of quote [TS]

00:04:31   floppy Auto inject quote when would you [TS]

00:04:33   use that so they talked about floppy [TS]

00:04:37   Auto inject in eject Glashow floppy auto [TS]

00:04:40   eject is pretty self-explanatory max [TS]

00:04:43   from the beginning could eject their own [TS]

00:04:46   floppy disk there was no button that you [TS]

00:04:48   would press to make the disk come out [TS]

00:04:50   through software through the operating [TS]

00:04:51   system you would do something to make [TS]

00:04:54   the disk be ejected likes like this [TS]

00:04:56   couldn't select eject from the file menu [TS]

00:04:57   or wherever that was and the disk would [TS]

00:05:00   come popping out not all the way like in [TS]

00:05:02   the Mac portable and space shooting the [TS]

00:05:04   disk out because we have gravity here [TS]

00:05:05   and friction that caused by that gravity [TS]

00:05:08   as the floppy the floppy disk rubs [TS]

00:05:10   against the lower parts of the apparatus [TS]

00:05:12   but anyway it would shoot out about [TS]

00:05:15   halfway like kind of a tongue sticking [TS]

00:05:16   out of your mouth and make this little [TS]

00:05:17   noise I've heard that noise and that is [TS]

00:05:23   perfect I heard that sound a lot havoc [TS]

00:05:28   having an original Macintosh with one [TS]

00:05:31   floppy drive and so I would have the [TS]

00:05:34   operating system on one floppy and then [TS]

00:05:36   you'd have the application and the data [TS]

00:05:38   on the other floppity boot from the [TS]

00:05:40   operating system floppy and then you [TS]

00:05:42   deject that a ghost image of that disk [TS]

00:05:44   would stay on your desktop so the [TS]

00:05:46   computer still knew that was there but [TS]

00:05:47   you would you would eject it but not [TS]

00:05:49   unmount it then you would stick in like [TS]

00:05:51   say the macpaint floppy disk which could [TS]

00:05:52   contain macpaint [TS]

00:05:53   plus maybe five or ten of your own [TS]

00:05:56   images you know the app plus your files [TS]

00:05:59   and you'd have to do this floppy disk [TS]

00:06:01   dance of operating system disk [TS]

00:06:03   application disk or whenever the [TS]

00:06:04   computer asked for it and the computer [TS]

00:06:06   would ask for it by spitting out one [TS]

00:06:07   disk and saying please and start the [TS]

00:06:08   disk system disk and you would take up [TS]

00:06:10   whatever just it just spit out and put [TS]

00:06:12   the system disk in and it would ask the [TS]

00:06:13   application disk back and forth and back [TS]

00:06:15   and forth being able to do that the the [TS]

00:06:18   floppy swap of taking out the one that [TS]

00:06:20   it has Auto ejected and putting in the [TS]

00:06:22   other one with one hand was a very [TS]

00:06:24   important skill for Mac users then you [TS]

00:06:27   could have the mouse of the keyboard and [TS]

00:06:28   be doing whatever and also be flawed be [TS]

00:06:30   swapping this bag of worth it got a [TS]

00:06:33   little bit ridiculous in certain points [TS]

00:06:34   anyway that's Auto eject [TS]

00:06:36   Auto inject is the more subtle and [TS]

00:06:38   therefore the the more valuable the [TS]

00:06:42   attribute of Mack floppy drives which [TS]

00:06:45   was when you took a disk this had to do [TS]

00:06:47   with the this switching back and forth [TS]

00:06:48   auto ejectment that you didn't have to [TS]

00:06:50   like press a button like the disk was [TS]

00:06:52   already there you just grabbed it an [TS]

00:06:53   inch of the thing was already sticking [TS]

00:06:54   out of the thing [TS]

00:06:55   Auto inject meant when you stuck a [TS]

00:06:56   floppy disk in you wouldn't have to like [TS]

00:06:59   you didn't on PC shove the three and a [TS]

00:07:02   half inch floppy all the way in like in [TS]

00:07:04   and down kind of like a Nintendo [TS]

00:07:05   cartridge right an NES cartridge like [TS]

00:07:07   you didn't have to shove it all the way [TS]

00:07:08   in and down right it was so much work oh [TS]

00:07:11   it was just egregious Marco do you [TS]

00:07:14   remember the pain we went through yeah [TS]

00:07:16   what you would do instead is you you [TS]

00:07:18   would push the the floppy disk in and [TS]

00:07:20   just as you were getting toward sort of [TS]

00:07:22   towards the end of the travel when the [TS]

00:07:23   the disk the edge of this would start to [TS]

00:07:25   be flush with the edge of the case the [TS]

00:07:27   drive would pull the disk out of your [TS]

00:07:29   hand which is a spring-loaded mechanism [TS]

00:07:30   it's not like it wasn't complicated it [TS]

00:07:32   would suck the disk in so you just have [TS]

00:07:33   to push it in and give it a little flick [TS]

00:07:35   and I would go shrink and they were just [TS]

00:07:36   sticking by itself so you didn't have to [TS]

00:07:40   take the disc out yourself by pressing a [TS]

00:07:41   button and you didn't have to shove the [TS]

00:07:43   disk all the way in and down it would [TS]

00:07:45   pull the thing it's kind of like like [TS]

00:07:46   the Mercedes whatever Auto soft closing [TS]

00:07:48   yes of course yeah yeah but it wasn't [TS]

00:07:52   soft your Mercedes is not the only car [TS]

00:07:53   that offers that feature I think they [TS]

00:07:55   were the first one with the s-class many [TS]

00:07:56   many years ago but anyway it was not [TS]

00:07:58   soft this was very very hard and thing [TS]

00:08:00   and and since I had you know the only [TS]

00:08:03   thing I had used before the Mac were [TS]

00:08:05   five and a quarter floppies which you [TS]

00:08:06   know you just slide in and turn that [TS]

00:08:08   little knob thingy down right there's no [TS]

00:08:09   they didn't go in and down they just [TS]

00:08:11   slid directly in and they were actually [TS]

00:08:13   floppy right so I had never used a [TS]

00:08:16   three-and-a-half inch floppy that wasn't [TS]

00:08:18   an auto inject and eject until like the [TS]

00:08:19   first time like I encountered a PC they [TS]

00:08:22   used that maybe it was like the ps2 or [TS]

00:08:23   whatever whenever PC makers finally [TS]

00:08:25   started bundling three and a half inch [TS]

00:08:27   drives and it was just so gross because [TS]

00:08:30   you know you got that wait for the light [TS]

00:08:31   to stop blinking and press the eject [TS]

00:08:32   button across your finger is that on the [TS]

00:08:34   Ajax I don't know man the index I'd I [TS]

00:08:36   would push it the skin and we just come [TS]

00:08:37   bouncing back at me like is this thing [TS]

00:08:39   broken pushed it just comes bouncing [TS]

00:08:41   back like now you have to shove it all [TS]

00:08:43   the way in anyway that's Auto inject and [TS]

00:08:45   it was awesome I love that we've become [TS]

00:08:47   like the podcast all about you [TS]

00:08:50   B ports and floppy drives the most [TS]

00:08:52   important parts of computing the most [TS]

00:08:53   relevant for today's do you know when [TS]

00:08:57   when you see a BMW driver on the road in [TS]

00:09:00   there driving aggressively not using [TS]

00:09:02   their turn signals and just generally [TS]

00:09:04   living up to the BMW stereotype you know [TS]

00:09:07   that moment what are you like you know [TS]

00:09:08   what yeah those are jerks well then you [TS]

00:09:12   hear Jon Stark used to talk about how [TS]

00:09:13   egregious it was to use a PC floppy disk [TS]

00:09:16   drive back in the 90s and you think yeah [TS]

00:09:18   those Mac guys yeah they were kind of [TS]

00:09:21   obnoxious about the Mac now it's hard [TS]

00:09:23   not to be obnoxious when you have [TS]

00:09:24   something so much better than my eyes [TS]

00:09:29   just rolled right the hell out of my [TS]

00:09:30   head about Auto is like these are you [TS]

00:09:34   know Apple didn't make these drives like [TS]

00:09:36   their source from Sony or whoever makes [TS]

00:09:38   them right every PC vendor could have [TS]

00:09:40   had auto eject me inject the eject part [TS]

00:09:42   was you needed OS support for that [TS]

00:09:44   because that was just a philosophical [TS]

00:09:44   and technical difference of like does [TS]

00:09:46   the OS manage when the disc is unmounted [TS]

00:09:48   or does the user manage it you know what [TS]

00:09:50   Microsoft chose there but auto inject [TS]

00:09:52   could have been added to pcs and [TS]

00:09:53   probably was on a bunch of pcs it's just [TS]

00:09:56   that PC makers you know ever pension [TS]

00:09:58   those pennies would not spend two cents [TS]

00:10:01   to add a feature like that which in the [TS]

00:10:03   days of floppy of swapping floppy disks [TS]

00:10:05   was a huge quality-of-life difference [TS]

00:10:07   but there's no way they would buy the [TS]

00:10:08   fancier drive that would do that because [TS]

00:10:10   everything had to be as cheap as [TS]

00:10:11   possible [TS]

00:10:11   that's my PC suck I gotta say you know [TS]

00:10:17   I'm a sucker for any kind of cool like [TS]

00:10:19   fancy little luxury feature but Auto [TS]

00:10:23   injecting ejects just never crossed that [TS]

00:10:26   barrier for me we're both the the hassle [TS]

00:10:30   of pushing a floppy drive in a floppy [TS]

00:10:32   disk into the drive and pushing a small [TS]

00:10:35   button to eject it was never a big deal [TS]

00:10:37   to me and then having it be entirely [TS]

00:10:40   software based and having to do software [TS]

00:10:42   eject on the Mac always was more of a [TS]

00:10:46   hindrance to me and I recognized you [TS]

00:10:48   know things like we even mention about [TS]

00:10:49   like unmounting the disk you know I [TS]

00:10:52   recognize why it's useful to have that [TS]

00:10:54   be software driven or software or hepps [TS]

00:10:56   offer be involved but the fact is that [TS]

00:10:58   it's worse as a user to to have that be [TS]

00:11:02   software based and [TS]

00:11:03   have all these additional parts that [TS]

00:11:05   could fail in the drive like that drives [TS]

00:11:07   did not fail first of all someone asked [TS]

00:11:09   that in the thing no they did not fail [TS]

00:11:11   and in my entire life of Max with floppy [TS]

00:11:13   drives not a single one ever failed in [TS]

00:11:15   any way no part of it inject eject the [TS]

00:11:18   reading no part of the drive ever failed [TS]

00:11:20   I got a lot of Mac's with floppy drives [TS]

00:11:22   I am curious to know that whether that [TS]

00:11:25   whether on a large scale there was a [TS]

00:11:27   meaningful difference in failure issues [TS]

00:11:29   III feel like in my life my lifetime [TS]

00:11:31   usage of max represents a large scale it [TS]

00:11:33   probably does I've never heard of a PC [TS]

00:11:36   floppy drive feeling it never yeah I [TS]

00:11:38   mean I think it's just a generally [TS]

00:11:40   reliable thing like I'm not saying that [TS]

00:11:42   not auto-injector eject one failed to I [TS]

00:11:43   just think it's a very very chunky [TS]

00:11:46   reliable Pisa and they got so much use I [TS]

00:11:48   mean you know it was like flawless [TS]

00:11:49   whopping yeah Buddhists they're pretty [TS]

00:11:51   they were pretty solid moving on [TS]

00:11:55   Lewis Garber writes in to say that I [TS]

00:11:58   guess we as an Apple considered naming [TS]

00:12:01   the daemon for this is dy LD we [TS]

00:12:05   considered name in the daemon dy l DD [TS]

00:12:07   for a while but settled on closure D [TS]

00:12:10   naming is one of the hardest problems in [TS]

00:12:12   CS he's the one who gave the [TS]

00:12:14   presentation or part of the presentation [TS]

00:12:15   on dy LD 3 at WWC I think his last name [TS]

00:12:19   is gerberg not my father's sorry anyway [TS]

00:12:22   it's anyway you can watch the [TS]

00:12:23   presentation and see and or hear him I [TS]

00:12:25   forget if he appears in the video but [TS]

00:12:27   yeah dl DD was on the table sadly not [TS]

00:12:30   chosen why is that so sad cuz it would [TS]

00:12:33   have been funny [TS]

00:12:34   yeah alright John one should cover this [TS]

00:12:37   next piece of follow up for me here's [TS]

00:12:39   another difficult name you're trying to [TS]

00:12:41   give me a brass first name this is a [TS]

00:12:44   problem I'm gonna go with you but anyway [TS]

00:12:47   this is someone linking to a blog post [TS]

00:12:51   I'm assuming is where some works that [TS]

00:12:52   automatic the the company that this is [TS]

00:12:55   the same company that makes the box that [TS]

00:12:57   you put in the old dirty bastard port on [TS]

00:12:59   your cars it's it's probably something [TS]

00:13:09   like the Luba milkovic wow that was [TS]

00:13:13   pretty good that was Jane you cheat with [TS]

00:13:15   the internet no I'm just guessing [TS]

00:13:17   right I'm wrong maybe it wasn't pretty [TS]

00:13:19   good anyway this was that I'm sorry I [TS]

00:13:22   apologize this this thing was added like [TS]

00:13:24   while those two were talking on the live [TS]

00:13:26   streams I'm a little bit behind [TS]

00:13:28   insurance today I talk about automatic [TS]

00:13:30   how they just cut their iOS apps launch [TS]

00:13:33   time in half and how do they do it the [TS]

00:13:36   obviously do ld3 isn't like out for [TS]

00:13:38   everybody yet they're talking about like [TS]

00:13:40   their existing iOS app they did it the [TS]

00:13:42   old-fashioned way based on some advice [TS]

00:13:44   they got from a WWC 2016 talk was like [TS]

00:13:47   hey if your app is taking a long time to [TS]

00:13:48   launch and you use a lot of dynamic [TS]

00:13:50   libraries actually you may be spending a [TS]

00:13:52   lot of your time in the whole part that [TS]

00:13:55   happens before main is called where it [TS]

00:13:57   figures out all of the dynamic libraries [TS]

00:13:59   and loads them and loads all their [TS]

00:14:00   symbols and does all the code signature [TS]

00:14:03   verification all sorts of other stuff [TS]

00:14:05   that happens before your code even [TS]

00:14:07   begins executing and to avoid that you [TS]

00:14:10   can take all that stuff and compile it [TS]

00:14:11   into one giant static framework that's a [TS]

00:14:13   part of your executable and you could [TS]

00:14:15   skip all those steps and that's exactly [TS]

00:14:16   but is not really what you probably want [TS]

00:14:19   to do because you know it's convenient [TS]

00:14:22   from both a development perspective and [TS]

00:14:24   also obviously when you're dynamic [TS]

00:14:25   linking to system libraries it's [TS]

00:14:26   necessary to not have everything [TS]

00:14:28   compiled into a giant static binary and [TS]

00:14:31   so they talked about in this blog post [TS]

00:14:33   what they had to do to make that happen [TS]

00:14:34   it will be better if they could say oh [TS]

00:14:36   we don't have to all this hack that we [TS]

00:14:38   did to put everything into one giant [TS]

00:14:39   static library we don't have to do that [TS]

00:14:41   anymore in iOS 11 because closure D not [TS]

00:14:45   do al D D will do all this caching for [TS]

00:14:47   us and instead on startup on the second [TS]

00:14:50   time we start people to say it will ask [TS]

00:14:51   closure D hey do you all look up stuff [TS]

00:14:53   for us good just give us the answers and [TS]

00:14:55   then we'll continue from there [TS]

00:14:56   but either way it's interesting blog [TS]

00:14:58   post we will link it in the show notes [TS]

00:14:59   and they break it down into like how [TS]

00:15:02   much time was spent doing dynamic [TS]

00:15:04   library loading rebasing and binding for [TS]

00:15:08   all the addresses and everything an [TS]

00:15:09   other category and you can see how they [TS]

00:15:11   they cut it down so people are trying to [TS]

00:15:14   I guess I maybe I underestimated exactly [TS]

00:15:16   how much time is spent into the dynamic [TS]

00:15:18   linker for large complicated [TS]

00:15:19   applications versus how much time is [TS]

00:15:21   spent like in your application launching [TS]

00:15:23   loading all sorts of resources other [TS]

00:15:25   things like that [TS]

00:15:26   all right Walter writes in any ideas how [TS]

00:15:29   Apple will handle the transition to new [TS]

00:15:31   file [TS]

00:15:31   formats on older Mac's that don't [TS]

00:15:33   support hardware encoding and decoding [TS]

00:15:34   of h.265 what will happen with users who [TS]

00:15:37   have a mixture of old and new devices [TS]

00:15:40   like a brand new iPhone and a 4-year old [TS]

00:15:41   Mac how's that gonna work well we [TS]

00:15:44   already have some indication of this [TS]

00:15:46   because if you happen to have installed [TS]

00:15:47   the beta on your phone and I've taken [TS]

00:15:50   any pictures with your phone and you [TS]

00:15:52   don't have the beta on your Mac of high [TS]

00:15:54   sierra then you can see what happens in [TS]

00:15:57   the Photos app where it actually is [TS]

00:16:00   handled somewhat gracefully it downloads [TS]

00:16:02   the the hief version as the photo and [TS]

00:16:04   it's it's able to show you a render of [TS]

00:16:08   it as a JPEG and some kind of fallback [TS]

00:16:09   mode but if it's a live photo it can't [TS]

00:16:12   play it and if you try to export the [TS]

00:16:14   original or do any kind of meaningful [TS]

00:16:16   operation on it it says something on the [TS]

00:16:18   lines of the full resolution version of [TS]

00:16:20   this isn't a 4-month isn't supported so [TS]

00:16:22   it actually does like you know it has [TS]

00:16:25   all these he files it in the other being [TS]

00:16:26   sent over from the phone wearing I was [TS]

00:16:28   11 but the Mac Photos app on whatever [TS]

00:16:31   version I'm running that's not High [TS]

00:16:33   Sierra what is this regular regular [TS]

00:16:35   Sierra when they say that now the [TS]

00:16:38   exchange names every year I lose track I [TS]

00:16:40   like forget entire mountains and stuff [TS]

00:16:42   but anyway so that's that's how they're [TS]

00:16:45   doing it so far we'll see like you know [TS]

00:16:47   like they they try to be smart about [TS]

00:16:50   things like in share sheets and iOS like [TS]

00:16:52   they like they'll share out a JPEG or [TS]

00:16:54   they'll share out you know presumably [TS]

00:16:56   for video the part we share out in h.264 [TS]

00:16:58   mp4 file or something like that so their [TS]

00:17:00   prop there trying to be smart about it [TS]

00:17:01   but in certain places it's just you know [TS]

00:17:04   if you have some devices that are [TS]

00:17:05   greater than some that aren't it's gonna [TS]

00:17:06   be little bumps in the road like this I [TS]

00:17:09   think you can't actually export h.265 I [TS]

00:17:12   remember one of the sessions talking [TS]

00:17:13   about that like your export options if [TS]

00:17:14   you use their framework the only option [TS]

00:17:17   is they just explore like a subtle way [TS]

00:17:19   of encouraging you hey if you're if [TS]

00:17:21   you're about to share this out somewhere [TS]

00:17:22   don't even try to do h.265 this question [TS]

00:17:25   though specifically about Mac's that [TS]

00:17:27   don't support hardware encoding decoding [TS]

00:17:29   of h.265 what will they do well we've [TS]

00:17:32   seen this before with Mac's that didn't [TS]

00:17:34   support hardware encoding decoding of [TS]

00:17:36   h.264 back when that was a thing because [TS]

00:17:38   most of them do these [TS]

00:17:40   but a long time ago they didn't and the [TS]

00:17:42   same thing happens with every video [TS]

00:17:43   Kodak whether it's uh what was the one [TS]

00:17:46   that was the cool one on the in the [TS]

00:17:49   error of the blue and white g3 the cool [TS]

00:17:51   video Kodak DivX no no I like the [TS]

00:17:54   QuickTime one like QuickTime always had [TS]

00:17:55   a choice of like what which codecs you [TS]

00:17:57   want and they would add new ones of oh [TS]

00:17:58   yeah it was called mob come on oh this [TS]

00:18:04   is gonna kill me I mean mpeg-4 is pretty [TS]

00:18:06   old like it like before h.264 there was [TS]

00:18:09   a regular mpeg-4 video I know I know [TS]

00:18:12   it's not what I'm thinking of it was it [TS]

00:18:13   was a codec that Apple was really [TS]

00:18:17   excited about and would promote as as [TS]

00:18:20   their fancy the Sorenson there we go [TS]

00:18:23   someone got it finally anyway [TS]

00:18:25   back when Sorenson came out it's like [TS]

00:18:27   what if my or you know issue six for its [TS]

00:18:29   better example cuz that is hardware [TS]

00:18:30   support for that what if you can't [TS]

00:18:31   support well your video playback is [TS]

00:18:33   choppy or you can't play it at all worth [TS]

00:18:35   a damn like it you you know it will fall [TS]

00:18:37   back to software so for h.265 Apple is [TS]

00:18:40   supporting decoding on like every Mac [TS]

00:18:43   they sell obviously and lots of old Macs [TS]

00:18:45   to and there is a software fallback if [TS]

00:18:47   you don't have hardware gives a lot of [TS]

00:18:48   Mac's don't have our in fact most Mac's [TS]

00:18:50   don't have hardware for it and will the [TS]

00:18:52   software a fallback would be fast enough [TS]

00:18:54   you can find out now go find h.265 movie [TS]

00:18:56   in MKV you know format on off the back [TS]

00:18:59   of whatever truck you want to find it on [TS]

00:19:01   and try to play it and if it is [TS]

00:19:04   reasonable resolution and you play it in [TS]

00:19:06   like mplayer x4 Mac or whatever it will [TS]

00:19:08   play fine but you'll find one that's [TS]

00:19:10   like 4k or even on some things 1080p and [TS]

00:19:13   you'll try to play it an N player or VLC [TS]

00:19:16   or whatever and it will chop it get be [TS]

00:19:18   choppy and it will drop frames and it [TS]

00:19:19   will be crappy but in general I think [TS]

00:19:23   there Apple software implementation of [TS]

00:19:26   h.265 encoding and decoding will be just [TS]

00:19:28   fine for any reasonably modern Mac but [TS]

00:19:31   just like the h.264 changeover did leave [TS]

00:19:34   behind some acts that could play to play [TS]

00:19:36   mpeg-4 video perfectly fine in the days [TS]

00:19:39   before or MPEG 2 or whatever and had [TS]

00:19:42   trouble with h.264 without any hardware [TS]

00:19:44   to help it out really big videos that [TS]

00:19:46   will happen but it will be fine like and [TS]

00:19:48   I wouldn't be worried about this if you [TS]

00:19:49   if you don't remember the super painful [TS]

00:19:51   transition to h2 6 [TS]

00:19:53   or you also won't remember the super [TS]

00:19:56   painful transmission they've just [TS]

00:19:57   expired of anything h.265 transition [TS]

00:19:59   won't be easier because I think we'll [TS]

00:20:00   see the hardware support for a come [TS]

00:20:01   online sooner because a lot of it is a [TS]

00:20:03   lot of the the hardware that they used [TS]

00:20:05   to do it is similar enough to h.265 [TS]

00:20:07   decoding that we already have close [TS]

00:20:10   analogs to it so I think the hardware [TS]

00:20:11   vendors won't it won't be too painful to [TS]

00:20:13   add the hardware to do a 265 decoder [TS]

00:20:16   it's already in the newer chips oh and [TS]

00:20:18   related to this similar questions that [TS]

00:20:21   any day a chance to put in here a lot of [TS]

00:20:22   people asked kind of what Marko was [TS]

00:20:24   getting at for the heath stuff [TS]

00:20:28   actually it's tangentially related will [TS]

00:20:30   they take all the my existing pictures [TS]

00:20:33   on my phone for example is a common [TS]

00:20:34   question and convert them all to Heath [TS]

00:20:37   to save space right because I've got you [TS]

00:20:39   know I've got 100 thousand pictures or [TS]

00:20:41   whatever from I've had an iPhone since [TS]

00:20:42   day one they took all these pictures [TS]

00:20:43   they're JPEGs he was supposed to be half [TS]

00:20:45   the size will Apple convert them all I'm [TS]

00:20:49   how most hundred percent sure the answer [TS]

00:20:50   that is no they won't because there [TS]

00:20:52   would be a quality loss now that doesn't [TS]

00:20:53   mean could Apple convert them or or [TS]

00:20:55   could they be a way for you to convert [TS]

00:20:57   them off of course yeah this I mean [TS]

00:20:58   they're your photos you could convert [TS]

00:21:00   them all you could buy a third-party [TS]

00:21:02   program to convert them all and delete [TS]

00:21:03   the JPEGs or whatever I don't think this [TS]

00:21:06   is a feature that Apple add but they [TS]

00:21:08   could they could have a big button and I [TS]

00:21:09   cuz as I take all my JPEGs and convert [TS]

00:21:12   them and I'll accept the quality loss [TS]

00:21:13   which probably won't be that big deal to [TS]

00:21:17   get the space segment or whatever but I [TS]

00:21:18   really don't think they'll do that [TS]

00:21:19   because converting a giant library would [TS]

00:21:22   take a really long time unless they did [TS]

00:21:24   it server-side which is not Apple's [TS]

00:21:25   forte and you will lose quality on them [TS]

00:21:28   and there's lots of things I've been [TS]

00:21:29   doing losing edits and other type of [TS]

00:21:31   things in lossy ways like that it's [TS]

00:21:33   basically a destructive operation [TS]

00:21:34   converting JPEGs to teeth would be if [TS]

00:21:38   you want to get space savings out of [TS]

00:21:40   them would be destructive because you're [TS]

00:21:42   taking a lossy compressed format and [TS]

00:21:43   you're doing another lossy compression [TS]

00:21:44   on top of it and even if you you know [TS]

00:21:47   even if you think you won't notice any [TS]

00:21:48   difference or whatever and you're [TS]

00:21:49   desperate to save the space you'd be way [TS]

00:21:51   better off for both your sanity and like [TS]

00:21:53   tech wise to just get a phone with more [TS]

00:21:56   space on it then to try to convert all [TS]

00:21:58   of your things so I don't recommend that [TS]

00:22:00   and I don't think Apple will do it but [TS]

00:22:02   there surely some third party will so if [TS]

00:22:04   you're desperate to do it you will be [TS]

00:22:05   able to [TS]

00:22:07   sebastian Kraus writes in to say I think [TS]

00:22:09   the reason why Apple's finally [TS]

00:22:11   supporting the opus codec is that [TS]

00:22:12   they've announced WebRTC support for iOS [TS]

00:22:14   11 and hi Sierra and opus is one of the [TS]

00:22:17   required codecs so you have to support [TS]

00:22:19   in WebRTC and Sebastian has provided a [TS]

00:22:21   couple links to put in the show notes [TS]

00:22:23   this is also why I think that opus will [TS]

00:22:24   see a very high adoption rate eventually [TS]

00:22:26   because every device with a browser that [TS]

00:22:27   supports web RTC according to spec also [TS]

00:22:30   has to support opus which was news to me [TS]

00:22:33   and I thought very interesting yes the [TS]

00:22:34   news to me too and and I this is very [TS]

00:22:36   promising because again as much as you [TS]

00:22:39   know that I'm a huge fan of mp3 the fact [TS]

00:22:42   is it would be nice to have a more [TS]

00:22:44   modern codec that was as what the [TS]

00:22:47   support of his mp3 and was unencumbered [TS]

00:22:49   as far as we know by patents and that's [TS]

00:22:52   what opus is and and that it would be [TS]

00:22:54   wonderful if opus had widespread support [TS]

00:22:56   because it is so much better than than [TS]

00:22:59   mp3 at lower bit rates that there really [TS]

00:23:02   are a lot of good uses for it and and it [TS]

00:23:04   really might be you know worth [TS]

00:23:06   developing standards for you know for [TS]

00:23:08   things like podcasters to be able to [TS]

00:23:10   offer multiple versions of the same file [TS]

00:23:12   in a reasonable way and have that [TS]

00:23:13   supported by the tooling and the hosting [TS]

00:23:14   and everything else so if opus you know [TS]

00:23:17   if opus can be more what more why they [TS]

00:23:19   supported it makes all of those things [TS]

00:23:21   more worth doing and so I donít know [TS]

00:23:25   anything about web RTC all I know is [TS]

00:23:28   that it is it is potentially useful for [TS]

00:23:31   things like recording podcast [TS]

00:23:33   double-unders in browsers and that's [TS]

00:23:35   cool I don't know if I would use that [TS]

00:23:38   but it's cool so I'm glad I'm glad [TS]

00:23:39   salable so anyway this is nice we'll see [TS]

00:23:43   what happens my I do still have [TS]

00:23:45   reservations that I'm a little worried [TS]

00:23:48   about possible patent issues with using [TS]

00:23:51   a free codec that has not been under [TS]

00:23:53   much pad and scrutiny yet but it is a [TS]

00:23:57   really good codec so any support for it [TS]

00:24:00   it is probably good let's think support [TS]

00:24:02   making support for a codec mandatory as [TS]

00:24:05   part of a standard it's good like it's [TS]

00:24:06   better than not doing that but it's not [TS]

00:24:08   a guarantee that people will actually [TS]

00:24:10   support it especially if it's obscure [TS]

00:24:11   people could say oh well you know we [TS]

00:24:14   have WebRTC support but don't bother [TS]

00:24:16   with the opus support or like do a [TS]

00:24:18   half-ass job of it and [TS]

00:24:19   really you know like because who uses [TS]

00:24:21   opus it's not a big deal [TS]

00:24:22   there is no no one's going to stop us [TS]

00:24:24   from shipping a web browser and claiming [TS]

00:24:26   WebRTC would support when our opus [TS]

00:24:28   support is terrible and crashes are a [TS]

00:24:30   slower only half exists or you know [TS]

00:24:33   whatever so these type of formats all [TS]

00:24:37   begin with oh whether they be our opus [TS]

00:24:39   or whatever Vorbis all those stuff WebM [TS]

00:24:43   all these supposedly patent free formats [TS]

00:24:46   that are less popular because they don't [TS]

00:24:49   have some big corporation that's [TS]

00:24:50   monetarily motivated to spread them [TS]

00:24:52   everywhere and put them and you know and [TS]

00:24:54   platform owners are less motivated to [TS]

00:24:55   support them because they have their own [TS]

00:24:56   things that they want to do it's always [TS]

00:24:59   an uphill battle for them but putting [TS]

00:25:01   putting support for it mandatory support [TS]

00:25:03   for it in the specs certainly helps so [TS]

00:25:05   we'll see we'll see how this shakes out [TS]

00:25:06   like like apples opus support like their [TS]

00:25:09   limited support for opus if we talked [TS]

00:25:12   about this three years from now and they [TS]

00:25:14   still have a limited support for opus [TS]

00:25:15   that's not a good sign because it's it [TS]

00:25:18   would show that they have you know [TS]

00:25:20   WebRTC itself they might decide is no [TS]

00:25:22   one's using it it's not that big a deal [TS]

00:25:23   and the safari team's priority should be [TS]

00:25:25   elsewhere the WebKit steams priority [TS]

00:25:27   should be elsewhere so concentrated [TS]

00:25:28   other standards it takes a long time to [TS]

00:25:30   stop for something to go from standards [TS]

00:25:32   defined by stance to about standards [TS]

00:25:34   body to being implemented widely enough [TS]

00:25:37   in the browser's that people use to [TS]

00:25:38   actually be useful to people I mean just [TS]

00:25:40   look at CSS which I think was CSS was [TS]

00:25:43   finalized in 1996 or something and we [TS]

00:25:46   didn't get decent browser support for it [TS]

00:25:48   for many many many years way too long [TS]

00:25:50   and even even when people were claiming [TS]

00:25:52   CSS support it took them so long to [TS]

00:25:54   actually pass like remember the original [TS]

00:25:56   CSS one acid test like do you actually [TS]

00:25:58   comply with all the CSS my CSS 1 specs [TS]

00:26:01   like no we just comply with the parts [TS]

00:26:03   that most websites use and the answer is [TS]

00:26:06   no that wasn't enough but it took so [TS]

00:26:07   long so here's hoping opus those better [TS]

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00:28:14   you would like to talk about iOS 11 in [TS]

00:28:16   use and I cannot because I have not [TS]

00:28:18   installed it on any of my devices [TS]

00:28:19   because I am NOT a maniac and I am [TS]

00:28:22   traveling later this summer and even on [TS]

00:28:24   my iPad which is the most non-essential [TS]

00:28:28   of non-essential devices I don't want it [TS]

00:28:31   to be on my iPad until it is extremely [TS]

00:28:33   stable so speaking of me being quiet I [TS]

00:28:36   am going to turn this over to Marco well [TS]

00:28:39   I didn't put this here but I just [TS]

00:28:42   kidding you think I added the show notes [TS]

00:28:44   that's the door enough no but I [TS]

00:28:47   so far you know I have I put I owe s11 [TS]

00:28:49   on my iPad you know in the very first [TS]

00:28:52   week and I put it on my phone with beta [TS]

00:28:55   2 which was now about two weeks ago and [TS]

00:28:58   so far it's mostly good there there are [TS]

00:29:01   some things about it I'm I'm not crazy [TS]

00:29:04   about yet and I guess I'll start with a [TS]

00:29:07   bed so I can end with the good like it [TS]

00:29:09   like a compliment sandwich in a big [TS]

00:29:11   company like this is maybe an open-faced [TS]

00:29:13   sandwich anyway I don't know open-faced [TS]

00:29:16   sandwiches were terrible there anyway so [TS]

00:29:18   I'm not crazy about the new like giant [TS]

00:29:21   text navigation bar style and that that [TS]

00:29:24   isn't all the system maps and everything [TS]

00:29:25   with the big header and all that white [TS]

00:29:28   space that's kind of weird [TS]

00:29:29   I'm also the multitasking stuff on the [TS]

00:29:33   iPad takes some getting used to because [TS]

00:29:35   it feels like I have to do a lot more [TS]

00:29:38   swipe gestures than before to set up [TS]

00:29:41   apps that like in a multi window way and [TS]

00:29:46   some of those swipe tests I just maybe I [TS]

00:29:48   just because I haven't done it done them [TS]

00:29:49   enough some of them don't make they [TS]

00:29:51   don't make a lot of sense to me like if [TS]

00:29:52   like the way you have to like pull up an [TS]

00:29:55   app off the dock to create it and then [TS]

00:29:58   you also have to then pull it again from [TS]

00:30:00   a little dragging handle to like stick [TS]

00:30:02   it down I don't love the way that flows [TS]

00:30:05   I'm also not a huge fan at all of the [TS]

00:30:10   new Notification Center it's the way you [TS]

00:30:14   have to like swipe it down now and this [TS]

00:30:17   one this is on the phone on the I think [TS]

00:30:18   I think it's about the same on the iPad [TS]

00:30:20   but it's mainly getting them getting my [TS]

00:30:21   way on the phone if I have to swipe it [TS]

00:30:23   down and then it looks like your [TS]

00:30:24   lockscreen even though it isn't your [TS]

00:30:25   lockscreen [TS]

00:30:26   and then you have to in order to see [TS]

00:30:28   more notifications than like the first [TS]

00:30:30   little bit you have to swipe on the [TS]

00:30:33   screen again to then show like the all [TS]

00:30:36   notifications view I don't know why that [TS]

00:30:39   isn't just the first view I don't know [TS]

00:30:41   why the extra swipe is necessary and and [TS]

00:30:44   it took me a couple of days to even find [TS]

00:30:46   that and and to find where is the [TS]

00:30:50   clear-all notifications button and so it [TS]

00:30:53   there's stuff that's now like hidden [TS]

00:30:55   behind these weird gestures that seem [TS]

00:30:58   like it's actually just more manual [TS]

00:31:00   work than before for common tasks so I [TS]

00:31:03   don't love that however other stuff in [TS]

00:31:06   the OS seems great you know on the [TS]

00:31:08   multitasking side on the iPad I'm just [TS]

00:31:11   glad they did so much and some of it is [TS]

00:31:13   not the way I would do it you know the [TS]

00:31:15   weird thing about how like apps are kind [TS]

00:31:17   of fixed as they're like two by two or [TS]

00:31:19   they're to two time sets and you like [TS]

00:31:21   you kind of can't mix and match a gnat [TS]

00:31:23   between different like quote spaces that [TS]

00:31:26   whole things a little weird for me but [TS]

00:31:28   I'm not an iPad powered user so it's not [TS]

00:31:31   really getting in my way I pet power [TS]

00:31:34   users who actually have better things to [TS]

00:31:36   say about using the iPad in that way you [TS]

00:31:39   know people like Mike and petite Fraser [TS]

00:31:41   Spears you know they they they have more [TS]

00:31:44   opinions on this and I suggest listen to [TS]

00:31:46   all their shows you'll put in the show [TS]

00:31:47   notes if they've been talking with us a [TS]

00:31:49   lot recently and so and their opinions [TS]

00:31:52   seem to be fairly mixed on the thing as [TS]

00:31:54   well but how like everything is kind of [TS]

00:31:55   like these groups are kind of fixed and [TS]

00:31:57   these in these like at pairs and napkin [TS]

00:31:59   only be in one pair and here we bring up [TS]

00:32:01   the same pair of apps at a time and so [TS]

00:32:03   if there's there's things about it that [TS]

00:32:04   are clunky but it's really cool that [TS]

00:32:07   they're doing as much as they're doing [TS]

00:32:08   and all that stuff I think is going to [TS]

00:32:10   be way better in time now the the [TS]

00:32:13   problem the problem mainly though is [TS]

00:32:14   that like with any iOS beta every summer [TS]

00:32:18   most of the apps that we are using are [TS]

00:32:21   not taking advantage of this because [TS]

00:32:23   apps can't ship versions to the App [TS]

00:32:25   Store that use iOS 11 API yet Apple does [TS]

00:32:29   not accept submissions of apps built [TS]

00:32:31   against the beta SDK you have to wait [TS]

00:32:33   for its release in the fall so the only [TS]

00:32:35   way to run iOS 11 apps that actually use [TS]

00:32:38   iOS 11 capabilities that aren't built [TS]

00:32:40   into the system to begin with is to get [TS]

00:32:42   on developers test five betas and test [TS]

00:32:45   flight is wildly broken for most people [TS]

00:32:47   it's 11 so that isn't happening very [TS]

00:32:50   much as far as I know so there's a great [TS]

00:32:53   bright future here of things like the [TS]

00:32:56   new multitasking stuff the new file [TS]

00:32:57   stuff the new drag and drop stuff and [TS]

00:32:59   some of the new API is that that make [TS]

00:33:01   developers lives a lot easier and and it [TS]

00:33:03   lead to better things for users there's [TS]

00:33:05   a lot of great stuff here but most of it [TS]

00:33:07   is still like on the horizon and on the [TS]

00:33:10   phone it makes way less of a difference [TS]

00:33:12   because most of the really big [TS]

00:33:14   stuff that users can actually use right [TS]

00:33:16   now and start taking advantage of right [TS]

00:33:17   now instead of instead of waiting for [TS]

00:33:19   the summer and waiting for the fall when [TS]

00:33:21   everyone's apps get updated most of that [TS]

00:33:23   stuff is that there's more of that stuff [TS]

00:33:25   on the iPad than there was in the iPhone [TS]

00:33:27   and especially if you are a a potential [TS]

00:33:30   user and an Apple notes user so that [TS]

00:33:33   it's really cool for you know iPad power [TS]

00:33:36   users and pencil and note people [TS]

00:33:38   everyone else I feel like and that's [TS]

00:33:41   kind of a mixed bag for now John I think [TS]

00:33:44   I put this in because I couldn't figure [TS]

00:33:46   out multitasking I was lovin but a turn [TS]

00:33:48   it just be a bug where just wasn't [TS]

00:33:49   working on my iPad I mentioned it last [TS]

00:33:52   week but like I I was doing the things [TS]

00:33:53   that you're supposed to do to like [TS]

00:33:55   combine apps into sets and stuff in like [TS]

00:33:56   nothing was happening and I thought I [TS]

00:33:58   was just crazy but it was just about [TS]

00:33:59   restarting my iPad fixed it whatever [TS]

00:34:01   it's a beta about the the things that [TS]

00:34:04   people can be complaining about like the [TS]

00:34:06   limitations of mixing and matching [TS]

00:34:08   application stuff we're getting into [TS]

00:34:10   some weird territory with kind of the [TS]

00:34:12   the mental model of how things work on [TS]

00:34:16   an iOS like the old build model was so [TS]

00:34:18   simple and so straightforward like [TS]

00:34:20   especially before multitasking like it [TS]

00:34:22   was just such a solid mental model that [TS]

00:34:25   it was obvious to anybody using it [TS]

00:34:27   they're like when you hit the big the [TS]

00:34:29   one and only big button on the face of [TS]

00:34:31   your device you went back to springboard [TS]

00:34:33   and that's where you saw all your [TS]

00:34:35   applications and when you launched any [TS]

00:34:37   application your entire phone became [TS]

00:34:38   that application plus or minus the [TS]

00:34:41   status bar which was small enough and [TS]

00:34:43   incorporated into the application enough [TS]

00:34:45   that people didn't think of it the same [TS]

00:34:47   way we think of the menu bar right and [TS]

00:34:48   if you wanted to do anything else you [TS]

00:34:50   hit the home button again to go back to [TS]

00:34:52   springboard but that was it that was the [TS]

00:34:53   model you know springboard application [TS]

00:34:56   application springboard and obviously [TS]

00:34:58   that's not viable for a sophisticated [TS]

00:35:00   workflow of any kind and so we had to [TS]

00:35:03   leave that in multitasking came in and [TS]

00:35:05   we had the multitasking switchers and [TS]

00:35:06   now we've got this little floating don't [TS]

00:35:09   call the window window things and [TS]

00:35:10   combining multiple applications on the [TS]

00:35:12   screen at the same time kind of a tiling [TS]

00:35:14   window manager but the mental model is [TS]

00:35:16   starting to break down and it like what [TS]

00:35:19   is what is an iOS application in its [TS]

00:35:22   running State is it just represented by [TS]

00:35:24   a single rectangular region [TS]

00:35:28   the screen that it controls and within [TS]

00:35:29   that rectangle there can be other [TS]

00:35:31   floating rectangles or like the the [TS]

00:35:33   model did a lot of heavy iOS users are [TS]

00:35:36   asking for which seems reasonable to me [TS]

00:35:37   but is super-weird is like I have [TS]

00:35:40   messages alongside my text editor I also [TS]

00:35:44   want messages alongside my web browser [TS]

00:35:46   why can't I have two spaces or whatever [TS]

00:35:50   one of which is web browser messages and [TS]

00:35:52   one of is my text editor messages it's [TS]

00:35:54   like well you can't do that you got to [TS]

00:35:55   pick which one you want messages next to [TS]

00:35:56   but if you did have it next to both of [TS]

00:35:58   them the easiest way to do it would be [TS]

00:36:00   like right now it's next to both of them [TS]

00:36:02   but it's not two instances of messages [TS]

00:36:04   it's the one and only rectangle of [TS]

00:36:06   messages right and it's exactly the same [TS]

00:36:08   between the two places [TS]

00:36:09   presumably like this is the way they [TS]

00:36:11   could implement it right I think most [TS]

00:36:13   people would be fine with that they [TS]

00:36:14   don't think they have two separate [TS]

00:36:15   copies of messages running like one is [TS]

00:36:18   signed into something different thing or [TS]

00:36:19   whatever it's like this is just the one [TS]

00:36:20   and only messages but it appears in two [TS]

00:36:22   places it's like having two copies of it [TS]

00:36:25   while the finder does all the time two [TS]

00:36:27   copies at the same window on your Mac [TS]

00:36:29   like this is literally the same window [TS]

00:36:31   anything you do in this window exactly [TS]

00:36:33   happens in real time in the other window [TS]

00:36:35   like you could move things around and [TS]

00:36:36   they remove it that's that would be the [TS]

00:36:38   mental model the other possible model is [TS]

00:36:40   no you actually have two messages [TS]

00:36:41   windows but now sudden they're Ram [TS]

00:36:42   implications and application development [TS]

00:36:44   implication it's like wait how do I [TS]

00:36:45   manage that is my application in two [TS]

00:36:47   states some application no it has two [TS]

00:36:48   windows this is you know uncharted [TS]

00:36:50   territory in terms of API and UI for iOS [TS]

00:36:54   developers to handle this you might have [TS]

00:36:56   multiple instances of you running so I [TS]

00:36:58   hope you can manage that internally with [TS]

00:37:00   the stuff that you're doing that's not [TS]

00:37:01   how I OS applications work if they have [TS]

00:37:04   multiple quote/unquote windows up it's [TS]

00:37:06   still within the one only rectangle that [TS]

00:37:07   is owned by that application it's not [TS]

00:37:09   like you have to totally divorce once um [TS]

00:37:12   but both of those things I describe are [TS]

00:37:14   pretty weird both from a developer's [TS]

00:37:16   perspective and trying to explain them [TS]

00:37:17   to user I had a difficulty trying to [TS]

00:37:19   explain them right now and I don't know [TS]

00:37:21   if I could explain them to someone using [TS]

00:37:23   the device like this is how things work [TS]

00:37:25   and yes you don't have to use like oh I [TS]

00:37:27   don't have to worry about that I'm never [TS]

00:37:28   gonna do this thing where I split up my [TS]

00:37:29   iPad screen I'm just gonna treat it like [TS]

00:37:30   my old iPad where you go to the home [TS]

00:37:32   button and that that it's good that the [TS]

00:37:33   iOS falls back to that model you don't [TS]

00:37:35   nobody has stuff you know it all that [TS]

00:37:36   swipes you don't do them accidentally [TS]

00:37:37   use it just like the old iPad [TS]

00:37:39   application home okay [TS]

00:37:41   home it's inefficient but you can stick [TS]

00:37:43   with that model but if they're going to [TS]

00:37:45   try to expand iOS with most guessing as [TS]

00:37:48   they should to become more sophisticated [TS]

00:37:50   there should be some kind of coherent [TS]

00:37:53   explainable model for how things work [TS]

00:37:56   and I don't think Apple has quite hit on [TS]

00:37:58   that yet as evidenced by like the the [TS]

00:38:01   immediate reaction of people who are [TS]

00:38:02   every iOS users like oh this is great [TS]

00:38:04   but here are a couple scenarios that are [TS]

00:38:07   not possible within this current [TS]

00:38:08   paradigm and it is mostly just so jazz [TS]

00:38:11   to have a new paradigm to even talk [TS]

00:38:12   about that you know this is the [TS]

00:38:14   honeymoon period but I think eventually [TS]

00:38:15   a year or two from now Apple will have [TS]

00:38:19   to continue thinking about this and say [TS]

00:38:20   all right how how do we address that is [TS]

00:38:22   there is there a new mental model for [TS]

00:38:24   rectangles in iOS and how they relate to [TS]

00:38:27   applications that is understandable and [TS]

00:38:31   also useful and generic in the same way [TS]

00:38:35   that the you know the window implicit [TS]

00:38:38   windows input mouse pointer what is wimp [TS]

00:38:41   stand for I forget anyway the [TS]

00:38:42   traditional you know Mac user interface [TS]

00:38:46   the window style user interface for PCs [TS]

00:38:49   that everyone is used to and a lot of [TS]

00:38:51   things you talked about Marco were like [TS]

00:38:52   the edge swiping and how Notification [TS]

00:38:54   Center works and all the weird gestures [TS]

00:38:55   or whatever like all that is made [TS]

00:38:56   necessary by the simplified iOS [TS]

00:38:59   interface that doesn't have essentially [TS]

00:39:01   chrome there's no menu bar the end of [TS]

00:39:03   title bars there's no scroll bars and [TS]

00:39:04   that that's an advantage of iOS but the [TS]

00:39:08   way PC operating systems get around all [TS]

00:39:11   these things is you don't have to know [TS]

00:39:13   any weird gestures if you want I mean [TS]

00:39:16   just look at this like Notification [TS]

00:39:18   Center on the Mac it's an icon in the [TS]

00:39:20   menu bar it has a privileged place on [TS]

00:39:22   the menu but then put the menu bar is [TS]

00:39:23   always there and an icon is the thing [TS]

00:39:25   you can bring cursor over and it's like [TS]

00:39:26   there's always visible interface element [TS]

00:39:27   and it slides in from the right it's [TS]

00:39:30   very much like an iOS interface element [TS]

00:39:32   but you deal with it like a Mac [TS]

00:39:33   interface element even though you can't [TS]

00:39:34   actually slide it with two fingers or [TS]

00:39:36   whatever to make it appear on the Mac [TS]

00:39:37   there's a place for visible UI to be for [TS]

00:39:40   all this stuff that's what window.chrome [TS]

00:39:42   is that's what you know I mean they kind [TS]

00:39:44   of wanted a little in that direction [TS]

00:39:44   about bringing tabs to iOS [TS]

00:39:46   whereas Safari has actual tabs like [TS]

00:39:48   where that was kind of weird like [TS]

00:39:49   where'd that come from there's no title [TS]

00:39:51   bars or scroll bars or window widgets or [TS]

00:39:52   menu bar but guess what tabs appear [TS]

00:39:54   they turn out to be great so maybe maybe [TS]

00:39:57   some chrome will start creeping into iOS [TS]

00:39:59   as a solution and we kind of do it with [TS]

00:40:02   the statusbar - hey you want to zoom to [TS]

00:40:03   the top of really long document you can [TS]

00:40:05   tap the status bar which we cheat and [TS]

00:40:06   decide is a giant button in most [TS]

00:40:08   scenarios because it's convenient to [TS]

00:40:10   have a thing that you can press it's on [TS]

00:40:12   the screen that does an operation so I'm [TS]

00:40:14   keeping an eye on this that's a lot of [TS]

00:40:16   talking for a topic that was really [TS]

00:40:18   based on a bug I'm using I was loving on [TS]

00:40:22   my iPad and I am using the most features [TS]

00:40:24   and I'm hitting a lot of the same pain [TS]

00:40:27   points albeit to a much lesser degree as [TS]

00:40:29   all the super heavy iOS users because I [TS]

00:40:32   mean I think about this sometimes think [TS]

00:40:34   about this when I was listening to one [TS]

00:40:35   of those podcast you've all using my [TS]

00:40:36   iPad I'm like people think of me it's a [TS]

00:40:39   Big Mac head and I do love my Mac and is [TS]

00:40:41   the the thing that I care about the most [TS]

00:40:43   but on a day to day basis I forget I'm [TS]

00:40:46   on my phone I spend more time with my [TS]

00:40:49   iPad than my Mac easy when I'm not at [TS]

00:40:51   work when I'm at work obvious that's not [TS]

00:40:52   true and I'm work it's you know I've sit [TS]

00:40:54   in front of the Mac whole day but when [TS]

00:40:55   I'm not at work like on weekends I use [TS]

00:40:58   my iPad way more than my Mac and my [TS]

00:41:01   phone probably more than my iPad so I [TS]

00:41:03   think it's just everyone's reality these [TS]

00:41:05   days so I'm not I'm I even though I'm [TS]

00:41:08   not what you know heavy iOS user in that [TS]

00:41:11   I need to use it for my work and no [TS]

00:41:12   annoyed if this thing interferes my [TS]

00:41:14   ability to perform supposed to get desk [TS]

00:41:15   I do spend a lot of time in it and as [TS]

00:41:18   someone well versed in the ways of the [TS]

00:41:20   Mac and PC style operating systems I do [TS]

00:41:22   I do feel those limitations actually and [TS]

00:41:25   you know a little bit of a tangent on [TS]

00:41:27   that note one of the reasons why I am [TS]

00:41:31   pushing myself to try to do more on the [TS]

00:41:34   iPad is because if I can set things up [TS]

00:41:37   in such a way that I can get more of my [TS]

00:41:40   work done on an iPad that also probably [TS]

00:41:43   means I can get more of my work done on [TS]

00:41:45   my iPhone and my phone is always with me [TS]

00:41:49   I'm always given chances where I could [TS]

00:41:51   use it where I wouldn't have a chance to [TS]

00:41:54   use my computer and so anything I do to [TS]

00:41:57   benefit my iPad working life will almost [TS]

00:42:00   certainly help my iPhone working life [TS]

00:42:02   which will help my working life [TS]

00:42:03   regardless of what I think of the iPad [TS]

00:42:05   so it like if you [TS]

00:42:07   or you know a mostly or entirely Mack [TS]

00:42:10   head like John or I or Casey that is one [TS]

00:42:15   reason to investigate productive options [TS]

00:42:18   for yourself on the iPad is that it'll [TS]

00:42:20   it'll help you in general on your phone [TS]

00:42:23   to one other item I had an iOS 11 that [TS]

00:42:26   has been not a stumbling block but one [TS]

00:42:29   of one of the things that I felt most [TS]

00:42:31   immediately and continue to feel is the [TS]

00:42:33   keyboard the new keyboard and iOS 11 and [TS]

00:42:35   it's mostly just muscle memory because [TS]

00:42:36   using iOS keyboards for so long I've [TS]

00:42:39   become accustomed to where things are [TS]

00:42:41   especially like and when you type your [TS]

00:42:43   passwords and stuff you kind of memorize [TS]

00:42:46   the pattern of where things are right [TS]

00:42:47   now an iOS keyboard like the way you you [TS]

00:42:49   know like and they move stuff around the [TS]

00:42:51   iOS 11 keyboard they moved lots of stuff [TS]

00:42:54   around like the punctuation characters [TS]

00:42:56   and how you get it special characters [TS]

00:42:58   and the the flick thing where they'll be [TS]

00:43:01   you can get to like the number symbol [TS]

00:43:03   you know how to switch the entire [TS]

00:43:05   keyboard into like number mode the [TS]

00:43:07   little number is like grayed out above [TS]

00:43:08   one of the letters like one over the Q [TS]

00:43:11   wherever the hell it is I don't have an [TS]

00:43:12   iOS 11 device in front of me and you can [TS]

00:43:15   get to that by putting your finger on [TS]

00:43:17   the key that you're gonna hit and [TS]

00:43:19   instead of picking it up slide it [TS]

00:43:21   downward and as you do that the the [TS]

00:43:23   higher item on the key like slides down [TS]

00:43:27   it becomes bold to indicate if you were [TS]

00:43:30   to release now you go to get a one [TS]

00:43:31   instead of a letter and then you release [TS]

00:43:32   when I first saw that feature described [TS]

00:43:37   and the WWC I thought it meant to flick [TS]

00:43:39   up so as soon as I first installed iOS [TS]

00:43:41   11 and I saw this keyboard I'm flicking [TS]

00:43:42   up on all the keys and it's not doing [TS]

00:43:44   anything yeah let's flick down and I [TS]

00:43:46   think them probably makes more sense [TS]

00:43:48   because as you slide them you can see [TS]

00:43:49   the key cap changing of what you know [TS]

00:43:52   what you're gonna get at least I'm again [TS]

00:43:53   I'm doing on the iPad I don't know what [TS]

00:43:54   it doesn't the phone so I do like the [TS]

00:43:57   flicking things but I cannot find the - [TS]

00:43:59   for the life of me I'm like where the [TS]

00:44:01   hell up I'm already switched into [TS]

00:44:03   punctuation mode and then I can't find [TS]

00:44:04   the - I need to just not switch into [TS]

00:44:06   punctuation mode and like pull down the [TS]

00:44:08   X or whatever the hell it is now and I [TS]

00:44:11   thought I would have remapped but I [TS]

00:44:13   guess using my iPhone which is still on [TS]

00:44:14   iOS 10 [TS]

00:44:15   it's not allowing me to remap so I would [TS]

00:44:17   say that uh for all the people haven't [TS]

00:44:20   tried on iOS 11 be warned that adjusting [TS]

00:44:25   to the new keyboard might take a little [TS]

00:44:27   doing I just can't wait until all my [TS]

00:44:29   devices are I always eleven because then [TS]

00:44:30   I can just convert and just forget the [TS]

00:44:32   old keyboard the new keyboard is better [TS]

00:44:33   I really do like the flicking I just [TS]

00:44:34   need to break myself of these old stupid [TS]

00:44:36   habits of like having to switch modes [TS]

00:44:38   right it's much better to just remember [TS]

00:44:40   all the flick things are inflicted them [TS]

00:44:42   that's great I still used it like I said [TS]

00:44:45   so I'm looking forward to it and I think [TS]

00:44:48   once my beach trip in August is over I [TS]

00:44:51   will absolutely put whatever the latest [TS]

00:44:53   beta is on on my iPad but I am not [TS]

00:44:56   touching my phone with this thing until [TS]

00:44:58   it's done done and I don't touch my iPad [TS]

00:45:00   with it until I'm done traveling [TS]

00:45:03   perfectly safe for iPads yeah and you [TS]

00:45:06   hate your a pen I don't eat my iPad that [TS]

00:45:08   is fake news fake news I don't hate my [TS]

00:45:11   iPad I just don't love it as much as I [TS]

00:45:14   used to [TS]

00:45:14   IIIi don't know because when you go to [TS]

00:45:18   the beach as I'm doing at some point in [TS]

00:45:20   August you never know what the internet [TS]

00:45:21   situation is and in all likelihood if [TS]

00:45:25   there isn't internet in the house I will [TS]

00:45:26   be able to tether off my phone but I [TS]

00:45:28   like having the backup of my iPad which [TS]

00:45:30   is on a different network and thus I [TS]

00:45:33   don't want to mess with anything just to [TS]

00:45:34   be safe although the last time I heard a [TS]

00:45:36   podcaster talk about this it was Mike [TS]

00:45:38   early and he lasted approximately three [TS]

00:45:40   seconds before he caved in put iOS 11 on [TS]

00:45:42   one of his 17 iPads so it's probably [TS]

00:45:45   gonna happen end up happening before I [TS]

00:45:47   go on this trip in August but we'll see [TS]

00:45:48   well but and like you know people like [TS]

00:45:50   Mike these I've had power users they [TS]

00:45:52   were like desperate for Elliot to show [TS]

00:45:54   any kind of you know it's like if Apple [TS]

00:45:56   released the new Mac Pro in an early [TS]

00:45:58   beta tomorrow and they said all right [TS]

00:46:00   you can buy it now but you'll have to [TS]

00:46:03   reboot it once a day I would buy it in a [TS]

00:46:06   heartbeat even though it because I just [TS]

00:46:08   want a Mac Pro again so badly okay I [TS]

00:46:11   would jump on that market if you want it [TS]

00:46:14   that bad I can stick a sticker on your [TS]

00:46:17   iMac and it didn't have it's a Mac Pro [TS]

00:46:19   or I can give it you know what I'll do [TS]

00:46:20   I'll buy you a trash can and imports on [TS]

00:46:23   the back and right I am a new Mac Pro on [TS]

00:46:26   the [TS]

00:46:27   front of it and you'll never know the [TS]

00:46:28   difference it'll probably be just as [TS]

00:46:29   quick to just take a small amount of [TS]

00:46:32   tape and onto my macbook pro and cover [TS]

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00:48:24   talk about iPhone rumors this is the [TS]

00:48:26   time of year where everything seems to [TS]

00:48:27   amp up and and things and the rumor mill [TS]

00:48:30   seems to get ever more aggressive and in [TS]

00:48:33   the last few days as we record this [TS]

00:48:35   recording on the Wednesday the 5th [TS]

00:48:37   there's been some more rumors [TS]

00:48:40   you literally around touch ID there's [TS]

00:48:42   been a lot of waffling which Marco [TS]

00:48:44   doesn't know anything about about [TS]

00:48:45   whether or not there will be touch ID [TS]

00:48:46   where will it be will be on the front [TS]

00:48:47   under the screen will be on the front in [TS]

00:48:49   the chin it will be on the back how [TS]

00:48:51   angry are all the Apple users going to [TS]

00:48:54   be if it's on the back and/or Willy [TS]

00:48:57   maybe not exist at all some in Chi quo [TS]

00:48:59   has said on the new iPhone that has OLED [TS]

00:49:03   which is everyone is assuming is going [TS]

00:49:05   to be called iPhone Pro they're saying [TS]

00:49:08   that there will not be any touch ID at [TS]

00:49:11   all and instead it will use some sort of [TS]

00:49:15   face detection including depth mapping [TS]

00:49:17   in order to authenticate you I don't [TS]

00:49:21   know how I feel about this my initial [TS]

00:49:24   reaction is no that's garbage my second [TS]

00:49:26   reaction is well if Apple was gonna ship [TS]

00:49:29   it I'm sure it'll be fine and my third [TS]

00:49:32   reaction is basically the entirety of [TS]

00:49:34   this week's connected where they went [TS]

00:49:37   through this that this this face [TS]

00:49:39   detection thing and I think all three of [TS]

00:49:42   them kind of went through all five [TS]

00:49:43   stages of grief right it really was [TS]

00:49:47   exactly like everything from like you [TS]

00:49:52   know like the anger and all that [TS]

00:49:53   eventually to the acceptance like oh I [TS]

00:49:55   guess this might be better a whole show [TS]

00:49:57   on it but did anybody say my face is my [TS]

00:50:00   passport verify me yeah nicely done [TS]

00:50:02   nicely no I don't think yes remember [TS]

00:50:08   that Mike hated that movie mati I know [TS]

00:50:11   it's terrible it so well the movie isn't [TS]

00:50:14   terrible it's terrible that Mike hated [TS]

00:50:15   it [TS]

00:50:15   great movie freakin green well I didn't [TS]

00:50:18   hear that episode but I thought this was [TS]

00:50:19   still I say we're far enough out now [TS]

00:50:22   that these rumors about what will or [TS]

00:50:25   won't be on this phone are still mixed [TS]

00:50:27   up as Gruber pointed out this week like [TS]

00:50:30   pretty sure Apple knows what's gonna be [TS]

00:50:32   on this phone at this point but we don't [TS]

00:50:34   know exactly what's gonna be on it and [TS]

00:50:36   so this is this is what's in the next [TS]

00:50:38   week we had a whole show where we talked [TS]

00:50:39   about the fingerprint scanner on the [TS]

00:50:40   back and the difficulty of putting it on [TS]

00:50:42   the front of the everyone seems to agree [TS]

00:50:43   that the whole front of this phone is [TS]

00:50:45   gonna be mostly screen so there's no [TS]

00:50:46   room for an actual home button even [TS]

00:50:48   though home button that doesn't move [TS]

00:50:49   like on the ones on our current you know [TS]

00:50:51   the iPhone 7 so it's like well if I [TS]

00:50:55   can't do a fingerprint scanner on the on [TS]

00:50:57   the screen they'll do it on the back but [TS]

00:50:59   here are the problems with the ones in [TS]

00:51:00   the back but it'll be all Android has [TS]

00:51:01   them on the back of it's fine again we [TS]

00:51:02   had that whole show on that topic this [TS]

00:51:04   is the new twist oh never mind that [TS]

00:51:06   fingerprint stuff that's passe it's just [TS]

00:51:09   gonna scan your face and this this seems [TS]

00:51:14   like a lot of confusion in a short [TS]

00:51:16   period of time about how we're gonna [TS]

00:51:18   unlock our phones so from our [TS]

00:51:20   perspective on the outside of like [TS]

00:51:21   people trying to leak things and and [TS]

00:51:24   rumors cycling through surely we are [TS]

00:51:28   getting these rumors like a six month to [TS]

00:51:31   a year delay of like things that Apple [TS]

00:51:34   has considered and investigated for the [TS]

00:51:36   upcoming iPhone but it Apple has picked [TS]

00:51:39   something and boy I'll find out why they [TS]

00:51:41   and reduce their phone it's just weird [TS]

00:51:43   that none of the rumors so far present a [TS]

00:51:49   product that we all agree that will be [TS]

00:51:52   awesome and I can't wait to have it all [TS]

00:51:54   of them are like hmm well you know like [TS]

00:51:58   we we talked about the fingerprint thing [TS]

00:52:01   on the back or USBC on the bottom like [TS]

00:52:04   you think about it and it seems kind of [TS]

00:52:07   weird and there's always some downside [TS]

00:52:08   and you're not sure and there could be [TS]

00:52:10   cool upsides but it's to the point where [TS]

00:52:14   several times over the past few months I [TS]

00:52:17   found myself thinking why are we doing [TS]

00:52:19   all screen on the front of the phone [TS]

00:52:22   again like remind me again what we're [TS]

00:52:24   getting out of this because there's a [TS]

00:52:26   lot of difficulties and you know Apple [TS]

00:52:28   is giving themselves lots of challenges [TS]

00:52:30   right and what we heard about this you [TS]

00:52:36   know the OLED all screen phone for many [TS]

00:52:38   years was like oh it didn't make it this [TS]

00:52:39   year because they couldn't they couldn't [TS]

00:52:42   sort this stuff out right and so Apple [TS]

00:52:45   won't release this until they come up [TS]

00:52:46   with a way to do this and I think you [TS]

00:52:49   know the iPhone 7 year was like oh this [TS]

00:52:50   was gonna be here for y'all screen phone [TS]

00:52:51   nope never mind it's actually you know [TS]

00:52:54   they couldn't do it and they they [TS]

00:52:55   couldn't get the fingerprint scanner to [TS]

00:52:56   work through the thing they couldn't get [TS]

00:52:58   the camera to work through the screen [TS]

00:52:59   you know whatever the rumour excuse was [TS]

00:53:02   it's not ready [TS]

00:53:04   right but everyone seems to say this is [TS]

00:53:06   the year the OLED all screen phone is [TS]

00:53:09   going to come out and we're all waiting [TS]

00:53:12   to see okay how did Apple solve all [TS]

00:53:13   those problems and every potentially [TS]

00:53:15   rumored solution seems weird the face [TS]

00:53:18   recognition one seems the most Apple II [TS]

00:53:21   to me because it's kind of like cutting [TS]

00:53:24   the Gordian knot of having to touch your [TS]

00:53:25   body to something to unlock your phone [TS]

00:53:27   it's like nope no don't worry about the [TS]

00:53:29   touching don't worry about it at all not [TS]

00:53:30   on the front screen not on the back it [TS]

00:53:32   will you know will just happen like [TS]

00:53:33   magic it'll read your face and by the [TS]

00:53:35   way the same depth sensors can be used [TS]

00:53:37   for the fake background blur effect too [TS]

00:53:41   so we you know we put the hardware in [TS]

00:53:44   there and it's great and we'll use it [TS]

00:53:45   for all this and it's better than a [TS]

00:53:46   fingerprint because it has more points [TS]

00:53:48   of recognition and so on and so forth [TS]

00:53:51   but you know again I didn't listen to [TS]

00:53:55   the podcast you were referring to but I [TS]

00:53:56   I kind of feel the same the same [TS]

00:53:59   trepidation about about something that [TS]

00:54:04   requires line of sight like that I mean [TS]

00:54:06   that's what everyone immediately thinks [TS]

00:54:07   about it's like what about all the times [TS]

00:54:08   i unlock my phone when I can't see my [TS]

00:54:10   face and all the rumors like don't worry [TS]

00:54:12   when it's laying on the table it'll [TS]

00:54:13   still be able to see your face it's got [TS]

00:54:14   a real big wide-angle lens on it it'll [TS]

00:54:16   pick up your face and you know or then [TS]

00:54:18   you're like well what about when I when [TS]

00:54:20   I exist near the phone but I don't want [TS]

00:54:21   it to a lot unlock based on my face oh [TS]

00:54:23   don't worry you'll have to hit a button [TS]

00:54:25   you'll have to hit a button and then it [TS]

00:54:26   will do recognition or whatever like [TS]

00:54:28   these are all things where you want the [TS]

00:54:31   Apple magic to come in like just like [TS]

00:54:32   touch ID seem like a thing that would be [TS]

00:54:34   terrible and not work and Apple I'd say [TS]

00:54:36   pretty much hit it out of the park would [TS]

00:54:37   touch ID like it was if you told told us [TS]

00:54:40   about touch I'd be like where you read [TS]

00:54:41   the rumors we'd be like that could be [TS]

00:54:43   cool but I've never seen that work [TS]

00:54:46   really well and guess what Apple made it [TS]

00:54:47   work really well and then they fixed it [TS]

00:54:49   again and made it work even better [TS]

00:54:50   I love touch ID I think I said him and [TS]

00:54:52   the you were talking about our favorite [TS]

00:54:53   tech products that the iPhone 7 was my [TS]

00:54:56   favorite tech product and I love the [TS]

00:54:57   fast touch ID I loved it loved it so [TS]

00:54:59   much I still love it if face recognition [TS]

00:55:01   makes me do the same thing think like oh [TS]

00:55:03   this I thought this was gonna be a crap [TS]

00:55:05   technology because no one's ever done it [TS]

00:55:06   well but guess what Apple finally did it [TS]

00:55:08   well and it's awesome that's the best [TS]

00:55:09   case scenario if this is as good as [TS]

00:55:11   touch ID just right now I'm still in a [TS]

00:55:13   doubting phase yeah I I really nothing I [TS]

00:55:16   have heard so far [TS]

00:55:17   about facial recognition speculation has [TS]

00:55:21   made me say oh that sounds better than [TS]

00:55:23   touch ID like touch ID is great it works [TS]

00:55:27   really well it works the vast majority [TS]

00:55:29   of the time the second-generation one [TS]

00:55:31   got even better and it's it's so fast [TS]

00:55:34   and it does solve a lot of those [TS]

00:55:36   problems like it like you mentioned like [TS]

00:55:37   what if you are there but you don't want [TS]

00:55:40   to authorize something like with touch [TS]

00:55:42   ID you can be physically present on the [TS]

00:55:44   phone but you can be presented with a [TS]

00:55:46   sheet or chenna with a lock screen and [TS]

00:55:48   you can decline to authorize something [TS]

00:55:50   if you don't want to authorize at that [TS]

00:55:52   moment with facial recognition there [TS]

00:55:53   would have to be another step you'd have [TS]

00:55:54   to like you know hit a button on the [TS]

00:55:57   screen or something like that it's that [TS]

00:55:58   there are ways this is worse you know [TS]

00:56:00   touch ID works no matter how you're [TS]

00:56:02   holding the phone even if the phone is [TS]

00:56:04   still in your pocket you can unlock it [TS]

00:56:06   with touch ID to do something you can [TS]

00:56:08   unlock it as you are taking it out of [TS]

00:56:10   your pocket before you are fully holding [TS]

00:56:12   it up which saves time you can unlock it [TS]

00:56:15   in any lighting conditions you could [TS]

00:56:17   like it is it is so incredibly versatile [TS]

00:56:20   and it works in so many ways that I hope [TS]

00:56:24   that what we're moving to with whatever [TS]

00:56:27   come whatever comes in the new phone you [TS]

00:56:29   know if we're actually gonna get rid of [TS]

00:56:31   touch ID which by the way I'm not [TS]

00:56:32   entirely sure that I thought I want to [TS]

00:56:35   believe these rumors and we'll get to [TS]

00:56:36   that in a second but in in so many [TS]

00:56:40   recent Apple product developments [TS]

00:56:42   because so much of the low-hanging fruit [TS]

00:56:45   of modern hardware has been picked [TS]

00:56:47   already we we are so often having to [TS]

00:56:52   make progress only by making certain [TS]

00:56:54   things worse or by giving up certain [TS]

00:56:57   things that we're not quite ready to [TS]

00:56:58   give up yet and we do this in order to [TS]

00:57:01   get the new hotness we we judge okay [TS]

00:57:04   well I really want my phone to be not a [TS]

00:57:07   bigger phone but to have a bigger screen [TS]

00:57:09   so I guess I'll give up X Y & Z is that [TS]

00:57:13   is that by the way when I asked before [TS]

00:57:15   what do remind me again why we're all [TS]

00:57:18   about this all screen thing is that it [TS]

00:57:20   is the only one they're just like more [TS]

00:57:22   more pixels that's it yeah it's fitting [TS]

00:57:25   a bigger screen in a smaller phone [TS]

00:57:26   that's that's what it is I'm there [TS]

00:57:30   I'm thinking that there are other that's [TS]

00:57:33   the main thing I think there's at least [TS]

00:57:35   a couple other small potential things I [TS]

00:57:37   mean that's a big thing but the [TS]

00:57:39   simplification of kind of like the [TS]

00:57:41   simplification of making the whole thing [TS]

00:57:43   screamed with the exception of the home [TS]

00:57:44   button was such a vast simplification [TS]

00:57:45   over you know the Blackberry or whatever [TS]

00:57:47   that going a step farther and saying [TS]

00:57:50   it's just all screen is you know further [TS]

00:57:54   in Johnny I've you know distilling the [TS]

00:57:57   thing to its essence getting rid of [TS]

00:57:58   extraneous stuff can you you know like [TS]

00:58:02   you with trying to make your app with no [TS]

00:58:04   settings like this is this is part of [TS]

00:58:05   the drive part of the simplification [TS]

00:58:07   drive and the idea that this phone you [TS]

00:58:11   know the rumors was delayed because they [TS]

00:58:13   couldn't pull it off but then now that [TS]

00:58:14   what we're talking about is like you [TS]

00:58:15   keep talking about the brow you know the [TS]

00:58:17   thing like where the cameras are [TS]

00:58:18   whatever because they can't get them to [TS]

00:58:19   go through the screen it's like are you [TS]

00:58:22   kind of like the laptops are you just [TS]

00:58:24   grasping for the bigger screen on a [TS]

00:58:28   smaller phone and at a certain point [TS]

00:58:30   you're like look we're gonna do bigger [TS]

00:58:31   screen now smartphone and we're just [TS]

00:58:33   gonna do it and we're gonna make it work [TS]

00:58:34   we missed last year we're gonna do it [TS]

00:58:36   this year no matter what it takes and [TS]

00:58:37   that doesn't doesn't excite me that much [TS]

00:58:41   I have to say like it might look cool [TS]

00:58:42   but I would prefer that they delay for a [TS]

00:58:45   third year if they can't get these [TS]

00:58:48   issues worked out and you know again [TS]

00:58:50   they haven't shipped and again we have [TS]

00:58:51   no idea they may have hit this out of [TS]

00:58:53   the park and maybe the delay was exactly [TS]

00:58:55   you know it'll be fine but I am the more [TS]

00:58:58   I hear about potential compromises the [TS]

00:59:01   less excited I am about I get more [TS]

00:59:03   pixels in a smaller case except for the [TS]

00:59:07   brow which does something to the status [TS]

00:59:08   bar but anyway like that doesn't excite [TS]

00:59:10   me that much I really you know and again [TS]

00:59:13   it'll probably excite me a lot if [TS]

00:59:14   everything works awesome but I don't [TS]

00:59:16   know I was trying to think of like what [TS]

00:59:17   what else did we get out of this this is [TS]

00:59:19   setting aside whole life which obviously [TS]

00:59:20   all did we get a lot out of OLED but you [TS]

00:59:21   don't need to do and all screen phone to [TS]

00:59:23   get all that so slow down what makes [TS]

00:59:25   OLED so much better because I genuinely [TS]

00:59:27   know nothing about this stuff blacker [TS]

00:59:29   blacks you know if you're watching video [TS]

00:59:32   and your thing like oh all it takes less [TS]

00:59:33   power so I mean you're not lighting up [TS]

00:59:35   sections on OLED screen there's it's not [TS]

00:59:36   con whereas with an LCD the backlight is [TS]

00:59:39   on behind the whole screen even when [TS]

00:59:40   it's entirely black which is all the [TS]

00:59:41   black levels are terrible because we [TS]

00:59:43   don't have dynamic [TS]

00:59:44   why it's on our iOS devices as far as I [TS]

00:59:45   know they're not dynamics and even if [TS]

00:59:47   there were then I'd like to suck because [TS]

00:59:49   they're not behind every single pixel [TS]

00:59:51   they're regional and so on and so forth [TS]

00:59:52   anyway lower power and much higher [TS]

00:59:56   contrast and the challenge is to get one [TS]

00:59:59   that has [TS]

00:59:59   that has [TS]

01:00:00   as the color reproduction of Apple's LCD [TS]

01:00:02   screens because apparently you know [TS]

01:00:03   getting a p3 OLED besides Apple wants [TS]

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01:02:06   one of the reasons why I'm a little [TS]

01:02:08   hesitant to believe this rumor and the [TS]

01:02:11   only reason where everyone's talking [TS]

01:02:12   about this is because Ming Sheikh will [TS]

01:02:15   report it and Ming Chi quo has a really [TS]

01:02:18   good record but his sources tend to be [TS]

01:02:22   you know supply chain sources only and [TS]

01:02:26   he doesn't have a perfect record [TS]

01:02:28   he often misses the story and he often [TS]

01:02:32   predicts things that are wild and then [TS]

01:02:35   don't come true the entire Apple rumors [TS]

01:02:38   game for a few years there were [TS]

01:02:41   seemingly reporting on every single [TS]

01:02:43   major product launch before it happened [TS]

01:02:44   you know and we all joked about you know [TS]

01:02:46   Tim Cook doubling down on secrecy a [TS]

01:02:49   couple years ago when he said that but [TS]

01:02:50   it really does seem like that has [TS]

01:02:52   happened and you know in the last year [TS]

01:02:54   or two we are seeing very few [TS]

01:02:57   substantial leaks and and you know even [TS]

01:03:01   fewer like lead parts and everything and [TS]

01:03:03   we are basing all of our discussion [TS]

01:03:06   about this this year's presumed new [TS]

01:03:09   iPhone on almost zero good information [TS]

01:03:13   like there's almost nothing solid out [TS]

01:03:15   there there are still no credible parts [TS]

01:03:20   leaks and for this point in the year [TS]

01:03:22   that's saying something you don't think [TS]

01:03:23   those I've been keeping up with a thing [TS]

01:03:25   with like the the fact that the cameras [TS]

01:03:27   are arranged vertically in all those [TS]

01:03:28   things I'm assuming at this point that [TS]

01:03:30   that is a pretty accurate representation [TS]

01:03:32   even if it's not a real parts leak yeah [TS]

01:03:34   I mean III think that's plausible but [TS]

01:03:37   like that's not that's not that big of a [TS]

01:03:39   thing you know it has two cameras you [TS]

01:03:42   can hold the phone in an orientation you [TS]

01:03:43   want so if you turn the iPhone 7s or [TS]

01:03:47   seven plus sideways then they're [TS]

01:03:51   vertical and it still works like what's [TS]

01:03:53   the big deal that means nothing and and [TS]

01:03:55   the material's rumors are pretty close [TS]

01:03:57   to that glass front and back with [TS]

01:03:59   stainless steel rim like that seems [TS]

01:04:01   pretty solid everywhere but that has it [TS]

01:04:03   converged on like no one's agreeing on [TS]

01:04:05   any of these things it seems like Apple [TS]

01:04:07   tried a bunch of stuff for this [TS]

01:04:09   generation and it also seems like nobody [TS]

01:04:13   has a credible report out there that [TS]

01:04:16   indicates what direction they take show [TS]

01:04:19   on almost any of these issues the only [TS]

01:04:22   thing people seem to agree on is that [TS]

01:04:24   they're probably launching three phones [TS]

01:04:26   this fall someone's gonna be OLED and [TS]

01:04:30   it's got more screen for Less front [TS]

01:04:32   place that probably is not gonna have a [TS]

01:04:34   physical home button like I feel like [TS]

01:04:35   right before the phones come out it's [TS]

01:04:37   inevitable that we'll see some kind of [TS]

01:04:39   parts like legit parts yeah the front [TS]

01:04:42   and the back of the phone and some [TS]

01:04:43   cutouts and stuff but it is really [TS]

01:04:45   interesting that we haven't seen them [TS]

01:04:46   yet like in most most years in recent [TS]

01:04:50   times by summertime we were seeing [TS]

01:04:53   credible parts leaks and not even a [TS]

01:04:55   small number we're seeing like starting [TS]

01:04:57   to see substantial numbers of credible [TS]

01:04:59   parts leaks and I don't know if the [TS]

01:05:01   phone is behind schedule or maybe it is [TS]

01:05:03   just that you know the the improve [TS]

01:05:05   secrecy at Apple but it really does seem [TS]

01:05:08   like we have less information than ever [TS]

01:05:11   it's time on this phone so when you see [TS]

01:05:13   a rumor come out even from somebody who [TS]

01:05:15   is a pretty good track record like [TS]

01:05:17   maangchi quo or like mark gurmann I [TS]

01:05:19   honestly don't believe it [TS]

01:05:21   because I I don't have much reason to [TS]

01:05:25   because they're still all over the map [TS]

01:05:27   and again these people with you know a [TS]

01:05:29   really good track record for Apple rim [TS]

01:05:32   prediction is like maybe your comically [TS]

01:05:35   wrong less than half the time but that's [TS]

01:05:38   not a very cute record still like the [TS]

01:05:41   standards for what makes a good record [TS]

01:05:42   and in Apple rumors are pretty low so [TS]

01:05:44   which part of this is the part you don't [TS]

01:05:46   believe the the face recognition or no [TS]

01:05:48   touch ID all of that patient activation [TS]

01:05:51   no touch ID rear touch ID what materials [TS]

01:05:54   the case our unit is gonna be made of [TS]

01:05:55   what the sides of the case we're gonna [TS]

01:05:57   be made of I don't buy it whether [TS]

01:05:59   there's gonna be that big notch in the [TS]

01:06:00   top for the cameras and stuff that [TS]

01:06:02   didn't interfere with the status bar [TS]

01:06:03   right now I am not confident in any of [TS]

01:06:07   those rumors to say oh yeah that sounds [TS]

01:06:10   likely let's talk about it as if it's [TS]

01:06:12   gonna happen like I it's because there [TS]

01:06:15   there really is no coherent direction [TS]

01:06:18   that everything is focusing in on [TS]

01:06:19   there's no direction as how the hell [TS]

01:06:22   that we get this whole this complete [TS]

01:06:24   screen phone to work right direction and [TS]

01:06:27   and that again that is interesting and [TS]

01:06:29   and we saw there were there were some [TS]

01:06:31   like you know allegedly [TS]

01:06:32   parce earlier from a safety inspector [TS]

01:06:34   who it was inspecting u.s. customs [TS]

01:06:36   packages and they look they look pretty [TS]

01:06:38   questionable it's probably fake but it [TS]

01:06:41   did present like an interesting idea of [TS]

01:06:42   like what if the new phone looked like [TS]

01:06:44   this and it looked nice [TS]

01:06:46   yeah it looks plausible and it's like oh [TS]

01:06:50   here's how you can here so you can cram [TS]

01:06:52   a big screen that is still rectangular [TS]

01:06:54   that doesn't have a weird little cutout [TS]

01:06:56   on the top for the camera and stuff you [TS]

01:06:57   know here's here's how you can shove a [TS]

01:06:59   big screen into a phone body that is [TS]

01:07:02   still not that much bigger and that's [TS]

01:07:04   nice that's fine but it was probably [TS]

01:07:06   fake and it were probably was a [TS]

01:07:08   different phone or something like that [TS]

01:07:10   you like you can't draw any real [TS]

01:07:12   information on any of this any of these [TS]

01:07:13   things and this year more than ever [TS]

01:07:15   because everything is so all over the [TS]

01:07:17   map it seems like either Apple has [TS]

01:07:19   gotten so good on secrecy that these [TS]

01:07:21   rumors are all based on total BS and I'm [TS]

01:07:24   not to say that like you know mark [TS]

01:07:26   Berman and makes you go over making [TS]

01:07:27   things up but that they are really [TS]

01:07:29   grasping at straws and and that they're [TS]

01:07:31   they're trying really hard to extract a [TS]

01:07:34   coherent story out of very minimal and [TS]

01:07:38   questionable information or that this [TS]

01:07:42   phone is super late and that it's not [TS]

01:07:45   going to be coming out or available in [TS]

01:07:46   September or October and in which case [TS]

01:07:49   who knows what's going on with it but I [TS]

01:07:51   think it's more likely that it is coming [TS]

01:07:53   out this fall that secrecy has just [TS]

01:07:55   gotten better and that they're just [TS]

01:07:58   getting less and less information to [TS]

01:08:00   report on and they're trying like mad to [TS]

01:08:03   try to get stories out of whatever they [TS]

01:08:04   have oh it's a safe bet to say that the [TS]

01:08:08   new iPhone were the Typhon Pro wherever [TS]

01:08:10   the held like the fancy expensive all [TS]

01:08:11   screen on will be supply constraint like [TS]

01:08:14   more than usual because all we've heard [TS]

01:08:17   about it is things that sound like they [TS]

01:08:20   would be difficult to manufacture [TS]

01:08:21   because they're unprecedented as far as [TS]

01:08:23   an iPhone is concerned and you know [TS]

01:08:26   rumors and delays and stuff like that [TS]

01:08:28   it's gonna it's gonna be hard to get one [TS]

01:08:30   of those it'll be at least as hard as [TS]

01:08:32   getting a gold iPhone maybe even harder [TS]

01:08:34   and I guess they control that by making [TS]

01:08:36   the price more cuz obviously it'll be [TS]

01:08:37   more expensive than the other ones and [TS]

01:08:38   maybe that will help control demand a [TS]

01:08:40   little bit but I think that's that's a [TS]

01:08:41   safe bet [TS]

01:08:41   and for these rumors I'm not sure what [TS]

01:08:45   to believe out of them all I mean [TS]

01:08:46   but I will say that face recognition [TS]

01:08:48   sounds like something that sounds like [TS]

01:08:50   an apple style thing that it's a type [TS]

01:08:53   like I said what touch ID type of thing [TS]

01:08:55   that sounds cool but every time we've [TS]

01:08:57   seen it done before it's been crappy but [TS]

01:08:59   if it worked well would be nice to have [TS]

01:09:03   doesn't mean you have to get rid of [TS]

01:09:04   touch ID to do it or whatever but face [TS]

01:09:06   recognition definitely seems like an [TS]

01:09:08   Apple feature is it an Apple feature for [TS]

01:09:10   this year I don't know but I think it [TS]

01:09:14   would it would fit in well and it would [TS]

01:09:16   make Apple's products better if they [TS]

01:09:18   actually worked on that and got it to [TS]

01:09:19   the point like they did with touch ID [TS]

01:09:21   where it passes over that barrier of [TS]

01:09:23   being a technical curiosity and it is [TS]

01:09:25   something that just naturally becomes [TS]

01:09:27   part of a life and we take for granted [TS]

01:09:28   especially if it's not the only way to [TS]

01:09:31   unlock your phone if you can incorporate [TS]

01:09:34   all of those sensors and all the inputs [TS]

01:09:37   and user preferences I can imagine a [TS]

01:09:40   phone that supports face recognition [TS]

01:09:42   being better than one that just supports [TS]

01:09:45   touch ID if done really well so I'm [TS]

01:09:47   actually I'm you know I'm actually kind [TS]

01:09:49   of excited for that being true trying to [TS]

01:09:53   forget things like the fire phone from [TS]

01:09:54   Amazon they tried to do stuff with [TS]

01:09:56   multiple cameras that was just a giant [TS]

01:09:58   mess and just assuming like Apple just [TS]

01:10:00   won't ship it if it's crabs [TS]

01:10:01   yeah and Samsung also had face [TS]

01:10:02   recognition to it and in one of their [TS]

01:10:04   recent phones and and the review is all [TS]

01:10:06   crapped all over because it was terrible [TS]

01:10:07   and they didn't hear about it again and [TS]

01:10:10   and the good thing is like that [TS]

01:10:11   you know Apple can ship a phone with a [TS]

01:10:14   depth sensor and just said no we're not [TS]

01:10:16   doing we couldn't get facial recognition [TS]

01:10:17   to earth and damn but hey guess what [TS]

01:10:19   that depth sensor is still really useful [TS]

01:10:21   for features that we already have it [TS]

01:10:23   will make what does it call I keep [TS]

01:10:25   forgetting the name of the fake depth of [TS]

01:10:26   field that they they call it portrait [TS]

01:10:28   mode yeah portrait mode it'll make [TS]

01:10:30   portrait mode better and so that you [TS]

01:10:33   know it's not a waste of hardware and it [TS]

01:10:35   will not be like well look at like what [TS]

01:10:37   was the time like an iPod Touch or [TS]

01:10:38   something shipped with a cutout for the [TS]

01:10:40   camera would go but there was no like [TS]

01:10:44   this won't be like that if they have [TS]

01:10:46   depth sensors in there which this could [TS]

01:10:48   also be the origin of these rumors say [TS]

01:10:49   they have depth sensors there I think [TS]

01:10:51   they're using haven't raised a [TS]

01:10:52   recognition like one thing supply chain [TS]

01:10:54   doesn't know about a software I'll tell [TS]

01:10:55   you that because that [TS]

01:10:56   in someplace else so also you know oils [TS]

01:10:58   uses deaf sensing AR kit hello [TS]

01:11:01   like there's lots of reasons why the [TS]

01:11:03   phone could use depth sensing on front [TS]

01:11:05   and back cameras that are not [TS]

01:11:06   necessarily just for this I mean they [TS]

01:11:09   could be using you this M depth sensor [TS]

01:11:10   just to get the portrait mode on the [TS]

01:11:13   selfie camera like that's not that [TS]

01:11:15   unreasonable like that that could be it [TS]

01:11:18   right but the ones you have the depth [TS]

01:11:19   sensor like that almost guarantees that [TS]

01:11:22   they looked into face recognition cuz [TS]

01:11:24   you're you're you're almost all the way [TS]

01:11:26   there at that point like you've got your [TS]

01:11:28   core ml you've got these machine [TS]

01:11:30   learning things you've got this vision [TS]

01:11:31   framework where the hell it's called [TS]

01:11:33   you've got a AR kit you've got portrait [TS]

01:11:35   mode like everything is already there to [TS]

01:11:38   say of course Apple has been looking [TS]

01:11:40   into face recognition like they've got [TS]

01:11:41   all the pieces the question is oh is it [TS]

01:11:43   did they did it get to the point where [TS]

01:11:45   they're gonna ship it and we'll see but [TS]

01:11:46   I actually I kind of hope they do have a [TS]

01:11:50   working is I think it would be a really [TS]

01:11:51   cool reason to try the new iPhone [TS]

01:11:53   because I have some confidence that they [TS]

01:11:55   won't ship it if it's crap that they'll [TS]

01:11:56   ship it if it's cool and great and I'm [TS]

01:11:59   just really hoping that it's not the [TS]

01:12:00   only way to unlock it because that'll be [TS]

01:12:02   weird like you don't what Apple doesn't [TS]

01:12:03   want to happen is for its expensive [TS]

01:12:05   iPhone pro like the fancy one that is [TS]

01:12:07   supposed to be the object of desire and [TS]

01:12:09   lust causing everybody to make that [TS]

01:12:11   noise even the people who you know the [TS]

01:12:14   target audience of like reddit is there [TS]

01:12:16   like I do want the fanciest and best [TS]

01:12:19   phone but this has weird compromises [TS]

01:12:21   that are confusing me and making me [TS]

01:12:23   second-guess like you wanted to just be [TS]

01:12:24   like better and everything or have some [TS]

01:12:26   amazing feature that you can't resist [TS]

01:12:28   even if you buy it and have buyer's [TS]

01:12:29   remorse and turns out not to be as cool [TS]

01:12:31   as you thought before you have in your [TS]

01:12:33   hands it has to look like obviously I [TS]

01:12:35   want the pro like if I've got the money [TS]

01:12:36   I want the fancy phone because it's the [TS]

01:12:38   cool one I really can't wait to try that [TS]

01:12:39   face recognition or whatever but if it [TS]

01:12:41   doesn't have touch ID and like you just [TS]

01:12:45   you just think about it like won't they [TS]

01:12:46   get like you know I don't why I'm [TS]

01:12:48   locking when it's in my pocket well you [TS]

01:12:49   don't how do i lock into that dark well [TS]

01:12:50   it's got IR sensor so I can see in the [TS]

01:12:52   dark okay well that's cool like there's [TS]

01:12:53   all the sort of negotiation that you [TS]

01:12:56   have to go through to convince yourself [TS]

01:12:57   that you really do want the supply [TS]

01:12:59   constrain you can't actually buy one for [TS]

01:13:00   three months $1500 iPhone pearl yeah and [TS]

01:13:04   it's also it's entirely possible that [TS]

01:13:06   they do have [TS]

01:13:08   a death sensor that it is IR that it can [TS]

01:13:12   work in the dark that it is using facial [TS]

01:13:14   recognition technology from that company [TS]

01:13:17   they bought that does that that it is [TS]

01:13:18   part of AR it's possible that's doing [TS]

01:13:21   all those things but just isn't being [TS]

01:13:23   used to unlock your phone like that is [TS]

01:13:26   open that can all tell you if you're a [TS]

01:13:28   hot dog or not that's right yeah I [TS]

01:13:29   thought you're not like all of this [TS]

01:13:31   could be them just you know adding all [TS]

01:13:34   this technology for other uses for [TS]

01:13:37   portrait mode for face recognition in [TS]

01:13:39   the Photos app for AR Li there are so [TS]

01:13:41   many other reasons that they could use [TS]

01:13:42   all these technologies all these sensors [TS]

01:13:44   and have them all work together to make [TS]

01:13:46   cool features that people want they can [TS]

01:13:48   do all of that and also decide you know [TS]

01:13:51   what this isn't actually good enough for [TS]

01:13:53   unlocking your phone and you know [TS]

01:13:55   proving secureness for you know [TS]

01:13:57   purchases and stuff but we're gonna ship [TS]

01:13:59   all this stuff anyway because it's [TS]

01:14:00   useful for all this other great stuff [TS]

01:14:01   like that that is totally a thing so I'm [TS]

01:14:04   guessing this is this is two different [TS]

01:14:06   things that don't follow like it may be [TS]

01:14:08   some analyst or rumor reporter got info [TS]

01:14:11   this has apples building and facial [TS]

01:14:12   recognition and maybe they also got info [TS]

01:14:15   that we all heard months ago that said [TS]

01:14:16   touch ID under the screen is proven to [TS]

01:14:19   be difficult but that might not mean [TS]

01:14:21   that they are canceling touch ID and [TS]

01:14:24   using face recognition instead like [TS]

01:14:26   those are separate things and that [TS]

01:14:28   conclusion might not be the correct [TS]

01:14:30   conclusion to draw from those two [TS]

01:14:32   possibly totally independent pieces of [TS]

01:14:34   information one more thing in the world [TS]

01:14:37   of security and everything the whole [TS]

01:14:39   idea of like that you can be compelled [TS]

01:14:40   to unlock your phone with touch ID [TS]

01:14:42   because of US law like they can they can [TS]

01:14:44   push you you you know you they can just [TS]

01:14:46   take your finger and put it on there in [TS]

01:14:48   the same way they can take your finger [TS]

01:14:49   and put it on an ink pad or whatever [TS]

01:14:51   I don't think facial recognition changes [TS]

01:14:53   that it just makes it even easier they [TS]

01:14:55   don't even have they just have to hold [TS]

01:14:55   the phone up to your face and you know [TS]

01:14:57   can't turn your head away and guess what [TS]

01:14:59   you just unlock your phone with your [TS]

01:15:00   face so all the same all the same [TS]

01:15:02   protocols apply to you know locking your [TS]

01:15:05   phone so it requires your passcode and [TS]

01:15:07   using a sophisticated passcode and all [TS]

01:15:08   that stuff [TS]

01:15:10   I don't think facial recognition changes [TS]

01:15:11   that but just like your finger your face [TS]

01:15:14   is your face your finger is your finger [TS]

01:15:15   we talked about this before if your [TS]

01:15:17   biometrics are compromised and you can [TS]

01:15:21   compromise fingerprints [TS]

01:15:22   you can lift them you can compromise [TS]

01:15:24   faces you can fake them even if faces [TS]

01:15:27   are better than fingerprints if someone [TS]

01:15:29   is sufficiently motivated they can do [TS]

01:15:32   this so you know as in all cases like no [TS]

01:15:35   no the protocol if you find if you're [TS]

01:15:37   gonna be in a situation where you don't [TS]

01:15:38   want to involuntarily unlock your phone [TS]

01:15:41   no the correct protocols to get it at [TS]

01:15:44   the point where it demands your very [TS]

01:15:46   arbitrary length alphanumeric password [TS]

01:15:48   to be unlocked and you know continue to [TS]

01:15:50   do those the really funny part is that [TS]

01:15:53   somebody could like if the iPhone has [TS]

01:15:55   all these technologies to measure like [TS]

01:15:57   the depths of your face and everything [TS]

01:15:59   the iPhone itself could be a wonderful [TS]

01:16:01   tool to use to capture other people's [TS]

01:16:04   faces to make clone models of also make [TS]

01:16:07   them like I'm sure they have like heat [TS]

01:16:08   signatures you'd have to make it like a [TS]

01:16:09   like a fleshy [TS]

01:16:10   you know hot thing that has to it would [TS]

01:16:14   be a little bit more complicated but you [TS]

01:16:15   know it could be done but yeah you're [TS]

01:16:17   right they are giving you the tools and [TS]

01:16:19   technology to do at least the depth part [TS]

01:16:21   of it although presumably bad actors [TS]

01:16:23   could get a fancier def sensor than one [TS]

01:16:25   that fits inside a phone but who knows [TS]

01:16:26   that feels pretty good this type of [TS]

01:16:28   stuff on the face recognition another [TS]

01:16:29   mark oh you didn't say regardless of [TS]

01:16:32   whether you know like whether you think [TS]

01:16:34   this is true or not would you would you [TS]

01:16:37   find it attractive but do you think it [TS]

01:16:38   was that a cool thing that you it are [TS]

01:16:40   you hoping that they did actually figure [TS]

01:16:43   it out me and setting aside whether [TS]

01:16:44   touch ID is there and does it sound like [TS]

01:16:45   a cool thing would it would it make you [TS]

01:16:47   want to get the new phone more not at [TS]

01:16:49   all [TS]

01:16:49   it sounds like a gimmick and whether it [TS]

01:16:52   would be or not I don't know but I'll [TS]

01:16:53   tell you one thing you know when Samsung [TS]

01:16:56   did it it sound like a gimmick then it [TS]

01:16:58   sounds like a diesel II faked and [TS]

01:17:00   unreliable whether it actually is or not [TS]

01:17:02   who knows [TS]

01:17:03   I don't think Apple would do it if it [TS]

01:17:04   was that bad but the concept as it [TS]

01:17:07   sounds to me right now [TS]

01:17:09   sounds like a gimmick that I don't want [TS]

01:17:10   a sound like that to you at first [TS]

01:17:13   they're not honest I don't remember but [TS]

01:17:16   I probably know well does okay so but [TS]

01:17:19   that's that's a hard comparison though [TS]

01:17:21   because touch ID I think was an easier [TS]

01:17:24   sell in that it was a deliberate action [TS]

01:17:27   that you can control that presumably is [TS]

01:17:31   is something similar to the crappy [TS]

01:17:33   things that we've all experienced in our [TS]

01:17:35   past [TS]

01:17:36   just not crappy but in every other way [TS]

01:17:39   it was predictable and understandable [TS]

01:17:41   whereas right now not having seen the [TS]

01:17:45   keynote not having been instructed on [TS]

01:17:47   how to hold your face and how to hold [TS]

01:17:49   your phone to your face and etc it's [TS]

01:17:52   hard to say what this would really [TS]

01:17:55   entail and on the surface I would agree [TS]

01:17:59   with Marco that this doesn't sound like [TS]

01:18:01   it's for me but I also agree and I think [TS]

01:18:05   that this is an important point that [TS]

01:18:07   Apple wouldn't ship it unless it was [TS]

01:18:10   really really solid and it worked really [TS]

01:18:12   really well and had thought of these [TS]

01:18:14   things like what happens in the dark [TS]

01:18:16   what happens when the phone isn't [TS]

01:18:18   pointed square at your face what happens [TS]

01:18:20   when you have sunglasses on or different [TS]

01:18:22   glasses what happens when there's direct [TS]

01:18:24   sunlight and you're washed out what [TS]

01:18:26   happens if you want to look at your [TS]

01:18:28   phone but not authorize a charge I have [TS]

01:18:30   to assume that Apple will have worked [TS]

01:18:32   all this out so if this really is a [TS]

01:18:35   thing I'm pretty amped to try it but I [TS]

01:18:38   mean I'm still kind of excited to one [TS]

01:18:40   day eventually get a touch bar Mac and [TS]

01:18:42   everything I've heard from almost [TS]

01:18:44   everyone is that that's a gimmick that's [TS]

01:18:45   a waste of time so who knew that but [TS]

01:18:48   keep in mind like Apple you know Apple [TS]

01:18:51   for the most part you know they've had a [TS]

01:18:53   couple of stumbles here and there in [TS]

01:18:55   this way but for the most part what they [TS]

01:18:58   won't release something unless it works [TS]

01:19:00   reasonably well so I'm not worried that [TS]

01:19:03   face recognition would be you know badly [TS]

01:19:06   functioning but I think the touch bar is [TS]

01:19:09   a wonderful example of how they will [TS]

01:19:12   release things that aren't necessarily [TS]

01:19:14   compelling you know they do occasionally [TS]

01:19:17   have that kind of flop and the touch bar [TS]

01:19:19   I think is one of those things you know [TS]

01:19:21   as time goes on and one first email [TS]

01:19:23   people oh well this is kind of [TS]

01:19:25   interesting I guess we'll see what [TS]

01:19:27   people do with it and yep turns out no [TS]

01:19:29   one's doing anything with it and it's [TS]

01:19:30   not that interesting and it just doesn't [TS]

01:19:32   not it's not really I don't I don't [TS]

01:19:35   think it was worth what they did [TS]

01:19:37   simple as that face recognition might be [TS]

01:19:41   one of those things too we like I don't [TS]

01:19:43   think they would release it if it was [TS]

01:19:45   much less secure than touch ID like you [TS]

01:19:47   know they have very good security people [TS]

01:19:49   work [TS]

01:19:49   for them I don't think it and touch ID I [TS]

01:19:53   don't think was ever really compromised [TS]

01:19:54   it in a meaningful way in the security [TS]

01:19:55   sense so if they release face [TS]

01:19:58   recognition as an unlock thing or secure [TS]

01:20:00   thing I bet it will work fine and I bet [TS]

01:20:04   it will be very secure whether it will [TS]

01:20:06   actually be compelling and and cool and [TS]

01:20:09   whether you will want to use it all the [TS]

01:20:11   time instead of using touch ID that's a [TS]

01:20:13   different story that's a big unknown [TS]

01:20:14   well but if it's if if it's really what [TS]

01:20:18   it promises and of course there is no [TS]

01:20:20   promise yet this is all hypothetical but [TS]

01:20:22   I would assume the Apple pitch for this [TS]

01:20:24   would be hey this is even faster than [TS]

01:20:27   touch ID and you don't even have to [TS]

01:20:28   think about think about it you just [TS]

01:20:30   raised to wake and then suddenly your [TS]

01:20:32   phone is already unlocked well I'm gonna [TS]

01:20:34   say it like the sales pitch this is [TS]

01:20:37   pretty easy like Casey went through all [TS]

01:20:38   the things like what about this what [TS]

01:20:40   about that like there are answers for [TS]

01:20:41   all those pretty easy answers for all of [TS]

01:20:43   them in terms of darkness and using IR [TS]

01:20:45   and being washed out and it doesn't [TS]

01:20:47   matter and security and using more than [TS]

01:20:49   just the depth right and the solution to [TS]

01:20:52   what if I don't want to authorize is [TS]

01:20:53   what you just described like pitching it [TS]

01:20:55   it's a better touch ID is that it's not [TS]

01:20:57   just the face it's the face and you also [TS]

01:20:59   have to press the screen right the face [TS]

01:21:02   then you also have to force press the [TS]

01:21:03   screen there it's imagine touch ID but [TS]

01:21:05   doesn't matter where the heck you touch [TS]

01:21:06   or with what finger and there's no [TS]

01:21:07   training you pick the phone up and you [TS]

01:21:09   just smush the screen somewhere the [TS]

01:21:12   bottom half of the screen used to make [TS]

01:21:13   sure anywhere maybe it's anywhere on the [TS]

01:21:14   screen you smushed right but that it's [TS]

01:21:16   two-factor right that your face has to [TS]

01:21:18   be in view and what if it's in an angle [TS]

01:21:19   that is really good doesn't matter if [TS]

01:21:20   it's on a super oblique angle it's very [TS]

01:21:22   wide angle whatever right just needs to [TS]

01:21:24   be somehow able to view your face in [TS]

01:21:26   some way and you swoosh the screen and [TS]

01:21:28   in use that's like the world's fastest [TS]

01:21:31   most efficient touch ID is yank the [TS]

01:21:33   phone out of your pocket your pocket and [TS]

01:21:35   squeeze it and by the time you're [TS]

01:21:37   looking at it it's unlocked because the [TS]

01:21:39   combination of your face being in view [TS]

01:21:41   when its head is in you hit it with the [TS]

01:21:44   rock anyway [TS]

01:21:45   that combination what don't worry you [TS]

01:21:48   know it'll be fine I just know this time [TS]

01:21:51   you got notice a reference but a bad [TS]

01:21:52   impression the bonus it feels like magic [TS]

01:21:56   touch ID right and it solves all the [TS]

01:21:58   problems you did combined all those [TS]

01:22:00   things the only one who doesn't solve is [TS]

01:22:02   when it's in your pocket [TS]

01:22:03   and you want unlock up but that's kind [TS]

01:22:04   of a weird thing to do anyway right so [TS]

01:22:07   that's why I'm excited about it because [TS]

01:22:08   I can imagine a version of this with [TS]

01:22:11   current technology no magic involved [TS]

01:22:13   that is really awesome but I can also [TS]

01:22:17   imagine like Marco said that this is [TS]

01:22:19   just people getting confused about heart [TS]

01:22:20   rates available and this is not coming [TS]

01:22:22   this year and that would be fine too but [TS]

01:22:23   I'm actually kind of excited for it I [TS]

01:22:24   think it will be more like a touch ID if [TS]

01:22:27   they ship it and less like a touch bar [TS]

01:22:29   which I think by the way the touch bar [TS]

01:22:31   works like aside from weird graphical [TS]

01:22:34   glitches having to do with like weird OS [TS]

01:22:35   bugs and GPU things wherever it does [TS]

01:22:37   what it's supposed to do like it looks [TS]

01:22:39   good yeah it feels good the [TS]

01:22:41   functionality that influence is there [TS]

01:22:43   it's just like oh well it turns out no [TS]

01:22:45   one is super excited about that [TS]

01:22:46   functionality but but it actually works [TS]

01:22:48   it's not kind of like the other example [TS]

01:22:49   it says like Siri where or Apple maps or [TS]

01:22:51   something where they shipped it and [TS]

01:22:52   maybe it was like well even for the [TS]

01:22:55   thing you were trying to do you didn't [TS]

01:22:56   quite pull it off and so we can't really [TS]

01:22:58   evaluate this idea the value of this [TS]

01:23:01   idea because you kind of screw up the [TS]

01:23:03   implementation initially and eventually [TS]

01:23:04   we'll get better right so we'll say [TS]

01:23:06   thanks punch or three sponsors this week [TS]

01:23:09   Caspar Squarespace and fracture we will [TS]

01:23:12   see you next week [TS]

01:23:15   now the show is over [TS]

01:23:18   they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:23:21   accidental [TS]

01:23:24   was accidental Johnny research Marco and [TS]

01:23:29   Casey wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

01:23:32   accidentally was accidental you can find [TS]

01:23:38   the show notes at ACS URL ISS so that's [TS]

01:23:51   Casey list and a acción de RM ante [TS]

01:23:56   Marco Arment [TS]

01:23:58   are [TS]

01:23:59   [Music] [TS]

01:24:06   [Music] [TS]

01:24:12   a real-time follow-up windows icons [TS]

01:24:18   menus and pointer wimp [TS]

01:24:21   ah I always forget the eyes icons I like [TS]

01:24:24   input I beam cursor what the hell icons [TS]

01:24:27   who ever I gotta follow the Reverend who [TS]

01:24:29   ever made that up I really hope it [TS]

01:24:31   wasn't an apple or a Mac person first [TS]

01:24:33   it's a bad acronym and second icons [TS]

01:24:36   anyway so uh what else is going on well [TS]

01:24:41   so far my 15 inch MacBook Pro is doing [TS]

01:24:44   just fine [TS]

01:24:45   oh actually I'm its ASCII how's your [TS]

01:24:47   monitor seriously I'm not trying to [TS]

01:24:48   snark so the LG 5k whatever it's called [TS]

01:24:52   ultra sharp but whatever it is the LG 5k [TS]

01:24:54   that Apple pushed last fall that's Dell [TS]

01:24:56   Dell has ultra sharp okay sorry they [TS]

01:25:01   look about the same so that it is what [TS]

01:25:05   you'd expect from if Apple dictated [TS]

01:25:09   quality standards for a panel but had a [TS]

01:25:13   PC manufacturer actually make and sell [TS]

01:25:15   the case and everything else so it is a [TS]

01:25:19   beautiful screen it is just as good as [TS]

01:25:22   the iMac that I had that the 2014 one [TS]

01:25:25   and I'm pretty sure this also supports [TS]

01:25:28   display p3 color so it's actually better [TS]

01:25:31   in that spec I have not compared it [TS]

01:25:33   side-by-side to a modern iMac with with [TS]

01:25:36   the the newest p3 screen so I don't know [TS]

01:25:38   if it's better that way or if it's [TS]

01:25:41   comfortable if comp little them or if [TS]

01:25:42   it's like a little bit worse who knows [TS]

01:25:44   it may be on some spec event a little [TS]

01:25:45   bit worse but to my eyes it looks pretty [TS]

01:25:47   amazing so the panel is awesome the rest [TS]

01:25:52   of the monitor itself is you know [TS]

01:25:54   generic PC maker stuff it has a big ugly [TS]

01:25:58   black case around it it has a big ugly [TS]

01:26:01   stand the speakers are embarrassing I'm [TS]

01:26:04   not even sure why it has speakers [TS]

01:26:06   they're so bad and the it has some [TS]

01:26:10   useful it has three USB C output ports [TS]

01:26:14   on the back and it charges my laptop [TS]

01:26:16   when it's plugged in so it functions 400 [TS]

01:26:19   and it has a webcam up top and because [TS]

01:26:21   it has a webcam up top it has this giant [TS]

01:26:23   like top bezel that does not match the [TS]

01:26:26   bottom [TS]

01:26:26   one looks weird I have not used a webcam [TS]

01:26:29   yet I don't care I probably never will [TS]

01:26:31   so it's fine but as soon as Apple says [TS]

01:26:36   they're making a pro display with the [TS]

01:26:38   next year's macro I'm probably gonna get [TS]

01:26:42   that when I get the Mac bro because this [TS]

01:26:45   is again this is fine it's over me fine [TS]

01:26:48   for now but it certainly does not make [TS]

01:26:51   me think wow this is an amazing piece of [TS]

01:26:54   computer that I have here because it's [TS]

01:26:57   just so bla ugly PC hardware I was at an [TS]

01:27:02   Apple store recently and I saw the 5k [TS]

01:27:04   and for Kay's sitting over there and [TS]

01:27:06   they just looked so incongruous in an [TS]

01:27:07   Apple store like it's all his Apple [TS]

01:27:09   hardware and then these big black shiny [TS]

01:27:11   PC looking things [TS]

01:27:13   it's gross yeah they really are gross [TS]

01:27:16   like but and the other thing is the [TS]

01:27:18   panel does work great it is a beautiful [TS]

01:27:20   5 K panel and it does work very well [TS]

01:27:24   with all the recent laptops the only [TS]

01:27:26   thing I will say is that as I mentioned [TS]

01:27:28   last episode with with the MacBook [TS]

01:27:31   escape the the GPU performance is not [TS]

01:27:35   great on it so things like moving around [TS]

01:27:37   or resizing large windows you actually [TS]

01:27:39   see some stuttering there and so with [TS]

01:27:40   that but on the 15-inch with the [TS]

01:27:43   discrete GPU it's great totally fine [TS]

01:27:45   there is a minor issue with the 15-inch [TS]

01:27:48   that some people point out on Twitter [TS]

01:27:50   that I don't think I care about because [TS]

01:27:52   I don't think I can notice it a set of [TS]

01:27:53   benchmarks but if you install the Intel [TS]

01:27:56   power gadget which is basically Intel's [TS]

01:27:59   little extension and widget thing to [TS]

01:28:02   show you your CPUs dynamic clocking and [TS]

01:28:05   temperature and everything as like in [TS]

01:28:07   real time as like a little graph kind of [TS]

01:28:09   like activity monitor but for your CPUs [TS]

01:28:11   clock speed if you install that you will [TS]

01:28:13   notice that when the 15 inch is plugged [TS]

01:28:16   into an external display it actually [TS]

01:28:20   throttles the CPU speed more so than it [TS]

01:28:23   throttles it when it's running just by [TS]

01:28:25   itself weird [TS]

01:28:26   I assume this is for thermal reasons and [TS]

01:28:28   that's kind of BSE I don't like that I [TS]

01:28:31   feel like that's kind of cheating and [TS]

01:28:33   that means that if you use this computer [TS]

01:28:36   like and so it has power it's getting [TS]

01:28:38   powered by the monitor so it isn't that [TS]

01:28:40   it has to [TS]

01:28:40   conserve power it seems to be thermal [TS]

01:28:42   and I tried it both with open lid and in [TS]

01:28:44   clamshell mode and it seems to be the [TS]

01:28:46   same so it's kind of weird that if you [TS]

01:28:50   plug this computer into an external [TS]

01:28:51   monitor you get worse CPU performance [TS]

01:28:54   but it doesn't seem to be bi enough to [TS]

01:28:57   make me care it is frustrating but I I [TS]

01:29:01   think I'm gonna just deal with that [TS]

01:29:03   because well and this and I this might [TS]

01:29:07   only be with the high end CPU model but [TS]

01:29:10   it clocks it down pretty far it clocks [TS]

01:29:12   it down from like 2.9 to 2.0 when it's [TS]

01:29:16   in this throttling mode so that's a [TS]

01:29:18   pretty big pretty big drop but anyway [TS]

01:29:21   not a big deal I don't think again I've [TS]

01:29:24   haven't using for that long so ask me [TS]

01:29:26   again later but I think is probably fine [TS]

01:29:28   sounds like somebody needs a Mac Pro I [TS]

01:29:30   do yes [TS]

01:29:32   tell me about it as far as you know [TS]

01:29:36   people who use laptop is their main [TS]

01:29:37   machines like yeah the fan noise alone [TS]

01:29:40   is such a compromise because here you [TS]

01:29:41   work it hard it's connected to your big [TS]

01:29:43   screen you're gonna do your big [TS]

01:29:44   important work you have it plugged in [TS]

01:29:46   you think everything has adequate power [TS]

01:29:47   and like even if everything is going off [TS]

01:29:50   without a hitch [TS]

01:29:50   still the thing sounds like a dentist [TS]

01:29:52   drill over there and now it's like [TS]

01:29:54   throttling stuff and it's getting too [TS]

01:29:55   hot and you don't want to have it in [TS]

01:29:56   clamshell no because it gets too hot and [TS]

01:29:58   thermal throttles itself it's just yucky [TS]

01:30:01   well it's just it's weird like that [TS]

01:30:03   that's the kind of problem that I would [TS]

01:30:05   not expect a brand-new computer in 2017 [TS]

01:30:08   to have especially a revision to of a [TS]

01:30:11   new hardware design I would definitely [TS]

01:30:13   expect that and honestly I actually [TS]

01:30:16   considered for my needs you know being [TS]

01:30:19   all weird and temporary and changing and [TS]

01:30:21   needing to be portable I actually did [TS]

01:30:23   consider getting on the trash can and [TS]

01:30:24   just using it for the next year oh and [TS]

01:30:27   if that would have been awesome for [TS]

01:30:28   Casey's brain would have exploded the [TS]

01:30:30   only if Apple waits long enough [TS]

01:30:33   Marco will rebuy the same computer [TS]

01:30:35   multiple times and really want one of [TS]

01:30:38   the biggest reasons I didn't do it is [TS]

01:30:39   because it can't drive a 5k display very [TS]

01:30:42   easily you can drive it a non-native res [TS]

01:30:44   it interested in that right or yeah or [TS]

01:30:46   like you know downscaling over the wire [TS]

01:30:48   then reeling it yet I've seen in the [TS]

01:30:50   Apple Store it does not look right but [TS]

01:30:53   if it could drive a 5k display like [TS]

01:30:56   nicely I might have actually gone that [TS]

01:30:58   route instead because I do love desktop [TS]

01:31:00   so much and like and there's some [TS]

01:31:03   weirdness with clamshell mode like it's [TS]

01:31:04   mostly fine you know it's it's fine [TS]

01:31:06   enough for the next year for me to just [TS]

01:31:08   deal with but boy I'm gonna as soon as [TS]

01:31:13   that Nye Pro comes out I'm switching [TS]

01:31:14   back while I was in the Apple Store [TS]

01:31:15   recently I also saw the trash can you [TS]

01:31:18   know what that looks cool it does if you [TS]

01:31:21   get a trash can because you did sell it [TS]

01:31:24   right you did yeah I sold it and I sold [TS]

01:31:26   it for enough to cover the entire [TS]

01:31:27   purchase of the iMac you can actually [TS]

01:31:30   sell for quite a bit less hi that's so [TS]

01:31:37   so tipster in the chat and this is [TS]

01:31:40   actually not the first time this has [TS]

01:31:41   been suggested why don't I just buy an [TS]

01:31:43   iMac and bring it to the beach and this [TS]

01:31:47   is actually something that I considered [TS]

01:31:50   but the fact is like it's so expensive [TS]

01:31:53   to get a decked out iMac and I already [TS]

01:31:56   had this 5k display and so like if I was [TS]

01:31:59   starting over again maybe I might do [TS]

01:32:01   that but it also for whatever reason [TS]

01:32:04   like like you know when next year when [TS]

01:32:08   the new Mac Pro presumably comes out and [TS]

01:32:10   when I presumably buy one this laptop [TS]

01:32:13   will be freed up and then I just have a [TS]

01:32:16   really nice laptop if I don't do that [TS]

01:32:18   then you know then it doesn't do [TS]

01:32:20   anything for my laptop needs so it's [TS]

01:32:21   like eight I don't know somehow I [TS]

01:32:23   rationalize this to make sense but you [TS]

01:32:26   me yeah yeah but I really do honestly [TS]

01:32:33   like desktops are really nice that the [TS]

01:32:36   port said oh I also I have already found [TS]

01:32:38   a USBC dongle that I don't like I have [TS]

01:32:44   the anchor one I think it actually might [TS]

01:32:45   be the same when you have KC it's the [TS]

01:32:46   anchor one that has three USB ports and [TS]

01:32:49   Gigabit Ethernet yeah what's wrong with [TS]

01:32:51   it [TS]

01:32:52   stuff like I plug in the USB a ports is [TS]

01:32:54   not reliable oh really I don't know if [TS]

01:32:57   I've ever plugged anything into the USB [TS]

01:32:59   a ports I got it mostly for Ethernet so [TS]

01:33:02   and I used it like twice oh that's [TS]

01:33:05   that's unfortunate though [TS]

01:33:06   it's unreliable oh and one awesome thing [TS]

01:33:08   that I've found about this setup is that [TS]

01:33:11   because everything's running over this [TS]

01:33:13   Thunderbolt cable that goes to the [TS]

01:33:15   laptop like right the way I have it set [TS]

01:33:17   up now is everything I have plugged into [TS]

01:33:19   the monitor and the only thing I have [TS]

01:33:23   plugged into the computer itself is the [TS]

01:33:25   cable from a monitor and then while I'm [TS]

01:33:27   podcasting the USB interface because [TS]

01:33:29   it's always nice if you're running like [TS]

01:33:31   audio gear especially audio recording [TS]

01:33:34   gear it's wise to plug that as directly [TS]

01:33:37   into the computer as possible to try to [TS]

01:33:38   avoid hubs and things like that [TS]

01:33:41   I'm just adjust for various USB [TS]

01:33:43   weirdness reasons otherwise I've [TS]

01:33:44   everything one is one with this one [TS]

01:33:45   cable so the laptop I actually have four [TS]

01:33:48   feet away from the monitor like on the [TS]

01:33:50   floor or leaning against the wall by [TS]

01:33:52   some bags which is great because it's [TS]

01:33:54   nowhere near me so if the laptops fans [TS]

01:33:57   spin up I will hear them much less than [TS]

01:34:00   I would if it were on the desk or if it [TS]

01:34:02   were an iMac so that's kind of nice yeah [TS]

01:34:04   of course now as John as John sits there [TS]

01:34:07   with his decade old Mac Pro it's [TS]

01:34:08   probably like dead silent down the floor [TS]

01:34:10   as well sometimes I don't even know if [TS]

01:34:12   it's on it was on all day today I forgot [TS]

01:34:14   I forgot to put it to sleep when I went [TS]

01:34:15   away from it and realized you know how I [TS]

01:34:17   found out it was on all day cuz when I [TS]

01:34:18   came in here to podcast and I'm like why [TS]

01:34:19   I'm so hot it's because this is a space [TS]

01:34:21   heater was running in it all day that's [TS]

01:34:24   one thing my computer does do is take [TS]

01:34:26   some cool air and it expels hot air and [TS]

01:34:28   it does it very efficiently 10 years of [TS]

01:34:30   heat right most most of the energy goes [TS]

01:34:32   into my computer is converted to heat [TS]

01:34:34   you have have you ever dusted the inside [TS]

01:34:36   of that or is that 10 years of dust in [TS]

01:34:38   there too oh yeah yeah it's yeah [TS]

01:34:40   although it's so old now they're like [TS]

01:34:42   despite being dusted many times you know [TS]

01:34:46   it's pretty clean in there like the [TS]

01:34:47   vents and heatsink are pretty clear but [TS]

01:34:49   there's like the dust that like the thin [TS]

01:34:51   layer of dust it welds itself to the [TS]

01:34:53   services like I don't know what this [TS]

01:34:55   phenomenon is but like it's dust free as [TS]

01:34:57   far as like pressurized air is concerned [TS]

01:34:59   but if you run your finger along the [TS]

01:35:01   surface nothing comes off on your finger [TS]

01:35:02   but you can feel this like there's a [TS]

01:35:04   layer of dust that is fused to the metal [TS]

01:35:06   now that has become part of the aluminum [TS]

01:35:07   it's a hell of a thing I'll try to take [TS]

01:35:10   some good macro photos over when this [TS]

01:35:11   thing finally retires and glory to my [TS]

01:35:13   attic this has to go into a museum or [TS]

01:35:15   something yeah it's going into his attic [TS]

01:35:18   not a mausoleum music mausoleum it's the [TS]

01:35:24   thing from the end of Raiders which is [TS]

01:35:26   reverence please tell me you both got [TS]

01:35:28   come on you're gonna kill me it's been a [TS]

01:35:29   long time since I've seen Raiders I'm [TS]

01:35:31   not sure I have seen it I've seen it [TS]

01:35:33   many times [TS]

01:35:35   nothing is safe nothing is safe at least [TS]

01:35:38   Casey got my damn sneakers reverence [TS]

01:35:40   it's all I got this is all I've got to [TS]

01:35:41   hold on to Casey's favorite movie he got [TS]

01:35:43   a reference to yeah wait this is this [TS]

01:35:45   were they were they like have the [TS]

01:35:47   forklift and the ORAC or something like [TS]

01:35:48   that is going into like this random ass [TS]

01:35:50   warehouse where there's just a billion [TS]

01:35:52   random boxes I got there just give me a [TS]

01:35:56   second narco mate may or may not have [TS]

01:35:59   seen Raiders of the Lost Ark ladies and [TS]

01:36:01   gentlemen Mark Harmon [TS]