The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► when we last saw our heroes they were [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► doing all the things they normally do [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► but today they do something different [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► this is the Q&A episode all right so it [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► is still in a teepee time Friday the 4th [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► of August but most of you listening are [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► probably listening somewhere on or [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► around the 9th of August and we did this [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► because as we covered last episode we [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► didn't plan our vacation as well in any [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► case oh yeah we're gonna do a Q&A [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► episode so we had solicited had being [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► the keyword solicited questions via [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► Twitter are you telling our audience to [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► please stop asking questions now is that [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► what that means well you can certainly [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► continue to ask questions but we are not [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► planning another Q&A episode for at [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► least a year you can ask but they're [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► pretty much going into the ether but [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► what about the S key TP segment that [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► we're gonna add to the show yeah I I [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► would I would like to keep the questions [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► going oh I mean they don't have to be [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► any questions because there's like two [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► of them but alright the the the hosts [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► have spoken we have a just two or three [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► people ask a question every week all [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► right fair enough so we are going to do [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► this in quasi chronological order we [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► have selected here's the thing they were [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► going into the spreadsheet but I was [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► afraid if I tried to sort them that it [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► would like mess with the automate I [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► don't know like whatever yeah we're [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► gonna go from top to bottom in this [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► document I think if you can't see the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► document you can't say I think it turns [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► out that adding every single tweet with [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► this hashtag to a giant spreadsheet and [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► having no way to like filter or upvote [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► or sort them at all [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► might not be the best tool for this job [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► turns out well I am happy for you to [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► coordinate the replacement my friend [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► because this seems like the lowest [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► impact way to me I agree with you it is [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► not ideal but it's the lowest impact [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► version I got are we supposed to be [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► using things like reddit is that a thing [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► are we supposed yeah that is what the [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► reddit's are for is no we're not [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► supposed to be doing [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that's question number one answered [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► okay well that said I if anyone if [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► anyone on the show off the show wants to [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► make replacement that's better than the [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► spreadsheet I won Dorsett it would be it [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► we probably should have some way to like [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► AB voter down vote and some way for like [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► one of the admins which would be us to [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► say like I read this question work is [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► not gonna answer so just get you know [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► kill it yeah but like I'm like read and [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► I'm not sure this needs to be publicly [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► accessible whatever all right let's do [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► it okay so the show notes for this [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► episode may or may not exist we'll see [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► what happened but because it's basically [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► just a bunch of questions and answers [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and so I'm just gonna try to MC this and [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► do the best I can with names with [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► questions etc and we're gonna dig in [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► with Gulick who asks hey why no more [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► toaster reviews John the toaster reviews [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► were a sponsorship believe it or not I [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► know you don't remember that but like [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► they weren't just like hey you want your [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► toasters it actually adds four cards [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► against humanity' but instead of an ad [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► read they wanted me to do toaster views [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► so they are not advertising [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► quote-unquote advertising on this show [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► anymore don't have any other campaigns [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► so that's why there's no more toaster [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► abused and if they did they wouldn't do [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► toasters again so you're not gonna get [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► any more toaster reviews and we have had [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► many people suggest new things that we [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► could have a series of reviews for and [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► honestly none of them sounded as funny [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► as that like that was such a great thing [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► it had a wonderful progression it ended [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► I don't think it could have continued [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► indefinitely I think it was pretty much [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► done when it ended and every other [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► suggestion we've seen since then has [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► been less funny [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► so yeah we know buddy has tackled [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► anything more than that and I think it [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► probably won't happen it least in that [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► format and those suggestions weren't [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► from sponsors right that sponsorship is [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the key part of this endured like in the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► middle of a tech podcast let's talk [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► about toasters for five minutes unless [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► it was a sponsorship behind it yeah like [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► and I think one of the one of the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► funniest things about that was like you [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► know cards against humanity' and I'm we [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► later came to learn that the person who [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► was organizing all this there was Alex [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► Cox now of due by Friday Fame so and and [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► like they really [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► no they weren't just sending random [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► toasters like there was a clear [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► progression like getting like from the [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► normal ones slowly into the really [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► bizarre and crazy horrible things like [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► those big like breakfast stations I [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► could make the egg on top and stuff like [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that like it was clearly in this [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► wonderful progression that it was it was [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► just so well done and you got to give [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► cards against humanity' credit for that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► incredible run yeah completely agree [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► with you Cathy wise writes in what [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► cameras are you using now and so I will [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► begin I am using the same camera that we [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► got shortly before Declan was born [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► that's an olympus om-d am 10 which is a [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► truly terrible name it is a Micro Four [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► Thirds camera I have a prime lens for it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► that is what I use generally speaking [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► and if you remember from the last [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► episode which in a teepee time happened [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► about 15 minutes ago um I also have a [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► zoom lens which I actually quite liked [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and I was going to argue with you mark [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► oh when you were saying oh you can't get [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► a zoom lens that you know covers all [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► three parts of the triangle if you will [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► but as you were talking you would [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► mention well you know if you do have a [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► decent zoom lens that means it's [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► exorbitantly expensive and still [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► probably has some other concessions and [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that is the case for me the zoom lens I [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► have was like eight hundred dollars or [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► something like that and otherwise it's [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► very nice it's left 2.8 I think it's a [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► hundred to three hundred millimeters in [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► regular cameras I forget what it is in [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Micro Four Thirds but um but anyway I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► liked it a lot but it it was very [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► expensive Marco what are you using I am [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► mostly using my iPhone which really sad [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► but that is the reality of it we do have [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► the 5d Mark for now in our family like [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► we actually had we had for years ever [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► since they came out we had the 5d mark [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► ii which came out I think in 2007 or [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► 2008 something like that and it was late [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► 2008 and so we had that since then and [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► it was great but it was getting along on [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► the tooth and in a lot of different ways [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► and so for a little while [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► I had a a Sony phase and because the the [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► Sony a series of cameras first I had a [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► little RX one then [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I had the a7 r2 and those are awesome [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► cameras in a lot of ways but I found [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► I'll make it brief because we've talked [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► about this before I have found that I [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► generally preferred the speed and [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► handling and battery life of full-sized [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► SL ARS to the little Sony mirrorless [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► cameras and I think over time that will [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► probably eventually change back as this [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► little Sony's get better you know the a9 [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► has it has now come out and it solves [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► some of the problems I had it makes [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► certain things worse so maybe maybe [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► there will be an a7 r3 at some point or [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► an a9 mark 2 or something like that that [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► I might go back for but for now I'm very [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► happy and in the world of big Canon SLRs [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► when I need to fit fancy photos but I [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► take fancy photos less and less every [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► year my wife takes them much more often [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► and she is way way better for [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► photographer than I am [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► so most of like the the good pictures of [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► our family and stuff are taken by her [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► and so that kind of frees me up to do [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► mostly the casual stuff so that's I'm [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► shooting mostly on my iPhone if I shoot [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► anything at all I'm still using my sony [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► a6300 i thought of trading into for [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► 6,500 those right up until I saw that [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► the battery life was slightly worse and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► I really much did it for me because the [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► battery life in 6300 is just barely [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► enough like I have two batteries and on [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► vacation I never needed to swap the [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► batteries even a day at the ocean but I [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► come close and so I don't think that can [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► give up that whatever 10% battery life [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► and the 600 is more expensive and so [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► I've never I've never done this swap I [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► stopped looking at it I'm still you know [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► I was still recommending 6,500 or with [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► the 6300 as long as you can deal with [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► the battery life but be sure that you [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► can because that's that's a big quality [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► of life issue so I'm happy with that [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► the only new lens I got recently was [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that is that big zoom I forget which one [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► it is but it's one of the sony ones it's [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► not it's not a very good line it's like [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► whatever it's what is it 55 to 300 so [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► it's a pretty big range again adjusting [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► for what that is on a PC sensor it's not [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► you know those are the full frame [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► numbers still like my 50 millimeter to [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► prime the best I have my own [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► super-expensive zoom that [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► sixteen to seventy and there's over a [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► thousand dollars and that is my sort of [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► general purpose lens that I keep on the [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► thing it's not as good as fifty Prime [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► and it doesn't zoom as long as the big [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► zoom but it's kind of a nice [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► all-arounder and to get a reasonable [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► okay all around or a thousand bucks so [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► yeah indeed also from kathy wise did the [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► last show which was actually two shows [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► ago if I'm doing this mental math right [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► shame you into clearing out your [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► application folders no it did not [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► nope not only did not shame me into [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► cleaning out my application folder but I [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► realized after we finished that show [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► that I was just looking at slash [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► applications I also have a tilde slash [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► applications with way more things way [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► more things that's like an old an old [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► school next early Mac OS ten or a thing [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► of having an applications folder in your [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► home directory which you could totally [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► have and the OS knows about it and gives [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► it the little a icon but only weird [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► people do that all right moving on uh-oh [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► plez asks which ad blocker do you guys [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► did actually Marco choose it's not you [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► guys which ad blocker did Marco choose [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► I'm kind of you know I'm I I was for a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► long time so as soon as I killed peace [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► within I think a month or two I stopped [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► using it too and you kind of just to be [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► fair and kind of felt wrong for me to [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► use it and no one else did I switched to [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► one blocker back then and one blocker is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► it's I don't have really much bad to say [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► about it or much great to say about it [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► it's just if you're gonna go with one of [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► those mass-market blockers one blocker [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► at the time I I looked was the best one [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► I have noticed though over time more and [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► more sites are broken by it and and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► there was a there was one of the iOS 11 [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► betas where it was not working due to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► some limits that had changed so I went [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► looking and I started using better which [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► is better why it's a paid app and then [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► it's like five bucks they have a Mac [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► version and the iOS version which is [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► nice and the Mac version can't keep [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► itself up to date which is nice it's a [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► little like menu bar extra thing and so [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I've been trying better out it doesn't [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► seem to block as much stuff as one [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► blocker but it also doesn't break as [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► many sites and it seems to block enough [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► that works for me and it seems to get [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► regular updates so right now I'm using [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► better but I've only been using it for [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► maybe a few weeks at most so it's hard [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► for me to really say you should [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► definitely go buy this but if you're [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► looking to buy something right now [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► that's the one I would start with John [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► any thoughts I also use one blocker for [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► the record but John any thoughts I'm [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► also using one blocker but occasionally [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► I don't know sometimes it gets turned [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► off and I don't notice for a while I [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► don't have a good blocker situation [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► going on I'm you know and half the time [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► when things don't work I do a little [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► long hold down on the reload to reload [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► with that blocker some I think some [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► sites get me more obnoxious one the [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► Boston Globe is like you're running an [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► ad blocker or I don't like you whatever [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► and it's like alright well fine I gotta [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► learn not to even tap those links and [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► some site I think it's like the Atlantic [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► or something like that is like sorry [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► something is wrong and we can't serve [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► you ads and so I reload without content [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► blockers and it says the same thing like [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► what do you want me to do things like or [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► like you're running an income unit [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► I'm not I'm not an income UNAM oh I'm [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► just on my phone and I want to read your [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► website and I turn everything off and [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► you still and the worst thing is it does [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► it with like a sheet that goes down over [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► the actual article you just want to like [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► right click and spend complete node on [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► your phone it's like this is Casey [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► occasionally goes off on his little [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► angry rants about how he feels [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► constrained by iOS I have that in small [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► degrees too and it's basically whenever [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► I do anything on a webpage and I realize [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► I don't have access to my web developer [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► tools and I feel just just completely [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► crippled it's like it's just a stupid [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► web it's just a just freaking did let me [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► delete it like it's nice just saw the [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► articles right there so here's what I do [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I this is what I literally do to find [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► out if I want to actually read the [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► article I do a long press to read the [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► slug in the URL hoping that it's [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► something sensible sometimes it's not or [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► repeatedly revisit the page and tried to [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► read the headline before the stupid [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► thing slides down I'm like I get you [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► know three words and oh it slid down and [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► then every though three words and just [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► to find out is this a story that I want [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► to bother going to a quote unquote real [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► web browser and you know looking at or [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► whatever anyway websites are annoying [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► you guys try way too hard to really if [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► if a site makes it difficult for me to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► read an article I just close it and I [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► move on because like you know what [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► no matter how good of a writer you are [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► or no matter how great of journalists [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► you are or whatever else there's a lot [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► of things to read out there on the web [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► and if you're gonna make it hard for me [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► to read yours I'm just not going to read [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► it and that might be like if if you have [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► a site with like an anti ad blocker [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► blocker thing if you won't let me read [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the site with an ad blocker that's a [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► fair game I I respect that decision of [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► yours but that means I'm not going to [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► trim off my blocker I'm just not going [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► to read it like that's but if that's the [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► option you presented then fine that's [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► what I'm saying like I'm I'm willing [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like oh you have an ad bugger like fine [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► I will turn off my ad blocker I'll turn [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► it off I'll be likely reload without [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► content blockers Here I am I'm ready to [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► see your thing it's not being that a [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► paywall not like they want me to sign up [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► subscribe or pay money like there is no [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► the site is just broken is what I'm [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► saying this is a pretty well on site [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► maybe it's the Atlantic or whatever it's [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► like I'm doing everything you want me to [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► do turn off all my blockers turn them [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► off in settings not be an incognito mode [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► there's no pay wall you're not asking me [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► to sign up or subscribe you just every [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► time I try to load it's like sorry I [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► couldn't figure out something and I'm [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► gonna put a big slide a big animated [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► sheet down over the article that's [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► perfectly good bit on there's no reader [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► mode for people asking there's no you [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► know websites man like do you ever [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► testing the iPhone it's a popular [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► platform we are sponsored this week by [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► Warby Parker making buying glasses [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► online easy and risk-free get your free [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► home tryouts today at Warby Parker comm [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► slash ATP Warby Parker believes that [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► eyeglasses [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► should not cost as much as a phone they [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► offer prescription eyeglasses and [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► sunglasses starting at just 95 dollars [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► including the lenses they make buying [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► glasses online easy and risk-free with [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► their home Tryon program this allows you [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► to order five pairs of frames and you [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► get to try them on for five days and [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► there's no obligation to buy it ships to [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► you for free and it includes a free [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► prepaid return label and all you got to [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► do is pick out what you want and they'll [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► send you this box a home try ons you [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► can't rhyme you can show people in your [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► life you can look in the mirror you can [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► take pictures whatever you want to do to [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► decide what's right for you and there's [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► no obligation you don't have to buy any [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► of them but I bet you will because [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► they're really high-quality glasses my [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► wife has a bunch of these and they [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► are just wonderful and they come with [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► great accessories a nice hard case a [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► cleaning cloth and for every pair you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► buy a pairs distributed through robot [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► vision charities to someone in need [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► where we Parker really believes in [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► giving back to the world and they really [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► make great glasses and they're helping [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► the world - with these charities get a [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► free home try on program today you will [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► be shocked how nice these glasses are [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► they're trendy designs they have anti [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► glare and anti scratch coatings and they [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► even have a home Tryon companion feature [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► which allows you to use their fuck their [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► iPhone app to preview how the glasses [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► will look on your face you can stitch it [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► into a video you can share it with [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► friends to help you pick a winner even [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► before you get the frames mailed to you [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► in the home Tryon program you can [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► preview how they're gonna look on you [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► and then you can educate your guesses [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► that way it's so they make it so easy to [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► buy glasses online and the value here is [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► incredible all this starts at just 95 [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► dollars and they also offer sunglasses [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► non-prescription starting at just 95 [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► dollars [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► prescription starting at just 175 [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► dollars just like their eyeglasses their [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► sunglasses are also available through [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► their home Tryon program they have [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► premium polarized lenses that are [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► scratch resistant and provide a 100% UV [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► protection so check that today we read [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► Parker offers such a great value suck [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► great glasses for starting at just 95 [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► dollars go to worry Parker comm slash [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► ATP to get that free home try on KITT [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► started and you'll see for yourself how [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► great they are [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► thank you very much to Warby Parker for [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► sponsoring our show alright Jack Johnson [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► yes from New York City apparently has [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► two questions that are related do you [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► think it would be a good move for iTunes [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► to offer a higher resolution audio file [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► for download or streaming and then kind [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► of tangentially related do you think [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► part of the HEV C strategy is to set the [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► groundwork for 4k streaming I will say [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► that I don't think anyone really cares [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► except Marco about high resolution audio [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► coming out of iTunes and I don't I don't [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► even care about that I'm surprised so as [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► for all my like audio file nests when it [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► comes to like selecting headphones and [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► stuff I have never been swayed by like [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► higher than CD quality audio files or [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► lossless compression schemes I know a [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► lot of people like these a lot [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► think they can hear a difference I don't [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► think you can but I know for sure that I [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► can't I hold on though hold on how do [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► you download your Phish concerts mp3 [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► they offer flack option I am stunned [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► that's what I assumed you were gonna say [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► no they offer flack for a few more [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► dollars and there is so I have bought so [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► quick quick background here fish sells [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► all their live shows legally through [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► their own site like a few hours after [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the show's end and you can buy a season [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► pass and you can you can basically have [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► have downloads and for sure they do for [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► like a whole tour so I do this I've been [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► doing this since something like 2009 or [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► so and there was one tour early on that [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► I bought in flack i pre-ordered it oh my [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► gosh let me get the flag verge and I'll [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► see if it's something different and it [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► was such a pain because like first of [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► all iTunes didn't support flack at the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► time I think I think it actually is [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► finally having that in High Sierra I [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► think but it didn't the time and and so [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► I had all these massive files that first [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► of all I didn't want to ever delete them [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► because like when I paid for these [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► massive files so there's taking up ton [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► spacing the harder that I still had to [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► transcode them to make them actually [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► playable in anything I did play the [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► original ones or there was C I think I I [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► think one one time I transferred them to [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► a lack or maybe I'd download maybe they [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► sold them as a lack I forget so I did [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► for a group of them transfer them and [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► play them as lossless files as a lack [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► files in iTunes and I just I couldn't [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► tell the difference at all and there's [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► there's lots of again there's lots of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► people who claim they can hit they can [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► hear a difference there's a whole lot of [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► tests that have been done that I've [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► shown mostly otherwise but this is one [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► of those things kind of like my [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► subwoofer thing from last episode of [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► like I do things my way and some people [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► consider them insufficient or some [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► people want better things and I think [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► I'm just I don't I can't care anymore [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► like if you want to do things your own [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► way if you want to get massive files [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► with you know 24 96 or 24:1 need to [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► sample rates and if you want to have [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► lossless encoding and you want your [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► albums to take up a gig each fine it's [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► hard drive space is cheap do whatever [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► you want well I could not possibly agree [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► with you more but I was expecting to [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► snicker as you told me about how flack [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► is the only answer so kudos to you sir I [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► am stunned do you want audio that's [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► lower quality and has like hiss and pop [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► in it [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► here we go something for Casey like I [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► don't I think it's not the right move [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► for Apple to offer hi Rosa no audio but [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► if Apple ever gets to the point I don't [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► think they will because again streaming [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► is what everyone cares about now is [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► Marco pointed out earlier slash on the [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► last show but it would be a way to make [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► the Ferrari you have purchasable down a [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► little music hey can we charge more [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► money for something that people perceive [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► as better the answer is yes you can you [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► so lossless or a higher bitrate or some [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► combination thereof and the very small [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► number of people who think that is [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► worthwhile for them will buy it doesn't [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► really matter if anyone can you hear the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► difference only matters whether they'll [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► give you money in exchange for these [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► goods which are able to be produced so I [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► wouldn't totally rule it out I don't [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► think it's some Apple needs to do at all [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► but someday if buying music at all [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► downloadable continues to be a thing [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► some smart person in marketing may say [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► we're leaving money on the table by not [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► selling high-resolution audio and [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► they'll just do it and charge more money [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► for it and a couple people will buy it [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► and it'll be a tiny bump in a graph and [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► someone will get a good performance [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► review yeah but anyway the thing is like [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► there is demand for this there is [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► absolutely demand for higher than CD [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► quality sample rates and everything and [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► higher bitrate [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► format or more advanced formats or [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► lossless formats there is definitely [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► demand for that like most people don't [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► even know like people who listen to the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► show probably unaware quite how many [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► options there are for what basically [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► amount to fancy iPods that sell today [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► for like $400 or more that like their [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► like their the Sony makes a bunch of [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► them they're basically little you know [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► pocketable portable audio players the [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► you know size like a deck of cards like [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► that kind of size class that have a [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► headphone just like the old iPod Classic [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that play these super high bitrate files [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► like they could actually output them and [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► decode them with a fancy DAC and [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► everything else [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► this market exists people buy these [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► things for like $400 but not a lot of [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► people and there are streaming services [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► things like Neil Young's paano things [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► like even tidal which is a fairly [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► decently sized streaming service now [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► like streaming services that IV that [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► have either been or even music sales [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► service I don't think paano even was [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► streaming I think it only sold stuff if [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► it even still exists but anyway there [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► are services that we've Excel you high [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► bitrate music legally or that will let [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► you stream them like tidal and they use [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► these things as they use the quality as [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► their main selling point but they don't [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► really ever become mass-market they [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► don't really ever get anywhere off the [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► ground really the only reason title has [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► gotten anywhere is because it has had [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► exclusives like they've had exclusive [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► album releases on there other than that [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► they were like when they were when they [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► were really only about the music quality [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► they got nowhere the fact is most people [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► don't care and most people don't need to [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► care because for most of these gains [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► there actually is no perceptible [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► difference to most people so while Apple [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► could sell high bitrate songs and stuff [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► that would just be appealing to a very [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► very small market in what is already a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► declining market which is the market of [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► music sales so the second part of this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► about HEV C being part of 4k yep 100% [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► like the 4k video is bigger HEV see is a [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► higher efficiency codec it supports [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► higher resolutions for like for video [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► not just the images with the he thing [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► anyway yes it's 100% part of that and [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► that's why we're gonna see a 4k Apple TV [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► and a TVC encoded content that plays on [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► it I agree [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Adam sac writes in to say and this is [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► the first in theme that I noticed which [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► was try to get the ATP host to hate each [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► other so he writes in if you had to use [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► the daily text setup of one of your [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► co-hosts for a week instead of your own [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► whose devices would you choose and I [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► will start off and I would probably [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► choose Marcos because it is in general [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► most similar to my setup [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► obviously there are differences but most [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► similar to mine and he has some pretty [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► kick-ass headphones so win-win everyone [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► would pick [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► Margot's including Marco because Marcos [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► yeah I would pick cases because [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► non-retina sorry John you lose you [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► shoulda picked my wife's you could pick [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► the 5k iMac it's the one without image [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► retention yeah that's actually better [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► than mine that's funny [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Ian Marin rates in to say and I don't [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► think I selected this as one to answer [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► but I have a feeling I know who did Ivan [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► Inouye to cord when's the ideal time to [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► replace it it's at about eighty thousand [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► miles no maintenance issues to date John [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► did you perhaps star this as a question [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► to me I did so the right time probably [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► the best time to replace this Accord was [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► right now or last year because the the [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► best time to get an accord is at the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► tail end of a generation when they've [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► worked all the kinks out of it and they [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► have we always get like the special [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► edition even though you don't get the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► special edition like they know how to [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► build that generation of car has the [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► most doodads and and you know nice [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► things added to it and they figured out [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► low and the first model to put the USB [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► port in the wrong place or you know [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► fiddle things like that's the time to [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► get it the the first car versed in the [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► new Accord I think the new Accord is is [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► uglier than the old one but it does have [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► a better infotainment system so that's [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► the other time you can get us like the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► excitement of getting in on the first [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► car and in your generation but in [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► general when your court starts getting [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► to be around 10 years old I feel like [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► that's the time to if you want to have [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► any chance of having any reasonable [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► trade in on it or private sale whatever [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► you want to do with it don't wait until [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► the car is basically worthless or it's [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► worth like a couple hundred bucks wait [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► till it's you know it's still a couple [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► thousand dollars for the value in your [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► car it's before crap starts breaking [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► like you said you know is 80,000 miles [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► nothing as nothing as issued with it [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► it's a no wait right it's getting to be [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► around 10 years time to replace you know [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► just as a point of comparison I pretty [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► much agree with you but uh when we [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► bought the Volvo we traded in Aaron's [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► 2007 Maz [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► six which had a little bit shy of 80,000 [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► miles on it and as I believe I talked [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► about on the show was pretty much a tank [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► like that thing almost never had any [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► problems and we got three thousand [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► dollars in change for it I think [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► Carmack's offered us three grand so it [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► was not worthless by any means but I [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► agree with you John that this is the [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► kind of edge of the cliff I think and [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► you go too much further and you're gonna [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► fall right off that cliff [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► Marco any thoughts on this nope [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► good talk Joe Sullivan writes in is [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► there anything that siracusa is in favor [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► of or likes without any caveats [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► reservations or asterisks and I have to [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► I have to congratulate Joe Sullivan [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► because there are about a million ways [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► to ask this question like a big fat jerk [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► and this was not one of them so well [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► done that's a great question put too [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► many things at the end of this question [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► caveat reservations or asterisks well [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► caveat you can I know what that means [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► reservations mean it's all getting over [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► they asterisk me like Oh something else [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► in addition that you want to say about [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► like the answer question there is [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► nothing nothing so perfect come on [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► that's right things that I really like [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► but if press to say hey you really like [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► Kiki's Delivery Service is there [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► anything wrong with that movie well I [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► mean cause it's actually probably [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► closest like I can if pressed I can come [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► up with asterisks for Kiki's Delivery [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► Service sure of course you can right [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► there is nothing is gonna be absolutely [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► perfect if you can't if you literally [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► can't think of anything wrong with it [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► then you probably don't understand the [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► thing but that doesn't mean like these [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► are my favorite things in the whole [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► world like overwhelmingly everything I [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► feel about these is that they're great [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► right so I think that qualifies them and [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► I at that reasonable definition of is [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► there anything that you are like without [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► any caveats reservation like if someone [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► says hey you know I need a good movie to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► watch and I say well if you've never [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► seen the Empire Strikes Back watch watch [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back I'm [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► not gonna add reservations [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► oh but also here are some reservations [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► about the Empire Strikes Back I'm gonna [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► add no reservations there's no nothing [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► to say about it so I would say that [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► qualifies the only definitions are the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► pedantic one and which nothing qualifies [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► for anybody or the reasonable definition [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► in which this [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► kinds of things that I really want to [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► hear me things that really like listen [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► to being comfortable very very often on [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► that show are talking about things that [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► really like you know for the video game [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► journey television shows movies books we [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► do we do talk about asterisks if you [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► want to call it that but it doesn't mean [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► we don't love them so I think this [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► question is not a good question it's [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► more than faster more than a reservation [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► because the answer it got completing [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► about the question I remember that's [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► true of anybody like is there anything [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► even ask you that you chose it is there [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► anything you two like uncritically [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► without caveat to reservation or [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► asterisks I think if you're honest with [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► yourselves you have to say that's not [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► true for either of you either I mean I [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► think the checker muffin up a number of [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► good options your kids your wife your [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► dog long island journey [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► those are BS questions so you have [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► reservations about your wife and your [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► kids don't say you do ice cream you if [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► you are if you think your spouse does [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► not have any asterisks you are either [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► newly married or willfully naive because [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► everybody has asterisks everybody say [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah but they're always asked sounds [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► like the tiniest little thing and now I [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► was like could something be a little bit [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► different of course of course always I [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► don't even know where to go from here [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► like and especially kids like no my [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► child is perfect yes lots of parents [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► think that hmm maybe a little bit less [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► screaming like not you know like like [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► three seconds less screaming in a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► lifetime of screaming would you accept [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that yes maybe if that poo hadn't [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► exploded out the side of the diaper that [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► one time when I had a new car would you [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► always an asterisk so now you don't love [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► your children because you didn't want [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► the putu come out the side of the diaper [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► and go all over your new car seats oh [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► that's amazing [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► we gotta move on otherwise we're never [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► going to get rid get through this let's [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► see what was next I have so many [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► freaking tabs open I must be John [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► siracusa Eduard level writes in what [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► podcast you currently listened to and [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► would recommend I listen to a ton of [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► podcast but there's a couple that I [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► would recommend the aforementioned due [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► by Friday is excellent [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► I will pitch one [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► my or a couple of my co-host shows I [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► think that reconcilable differences is [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► phenomenal and so is under the radar but [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► I will also pitch a couple others very [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► quickly if you wanted to hear a smart [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► person talk about conservative politics [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► which you may or may not want the pen [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the ben shapiro show is very interesting [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► and very good i don't listen every [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► episode by any means it's like 45 [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► minutes and it's pretty much every [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► weekday but when i have time all and i [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► usually about once a week I'll catch it [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► and I typically deeply deeply disagree [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► with the things he thinks but [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► nevertheless it is interesting I'll also [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► say that wheel bearings is neutral by [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► people who actually know what they're [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► talking about we want to listen to that [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► yeah I know right [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► and then 20,000 Hertz is also very good [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► think 99% invisible but specifically [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► around sound so those are just some [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► selections from my extraordinarily long [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► list of podcasts that I listened to John [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► since I've been tagging Marco more first [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► more often let's let's go to you next [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► I'm strong recommendation for Roderick [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► on the line which I love flophouse [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► obviously my my old probably oldest [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► recommendation that show is still going [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► obviously hello internet in cortex the [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► pair of shows both involving CGP grey [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► those are great [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► Oh what else we got I'm scrum scrolling [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► through overcast to look at I have way [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► too many things and overcast was [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► scrolling through their debug which I [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► don't know if it's still ongoing but the [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► back catalog of debug is great tech show [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► where they talk to lots of important [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► people in tech you should definitely [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► check that out and you know there's tons [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► more but I think it's a good place to [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► get started Marco you guys have already [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► mentioned pretty much everything I was [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► going to say you know the usuals due by [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► Friday hello Internet cortex roderick on [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► the line as far as in the tech world [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► again you've covered many good ones I [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► would also add upgrade unreal AFM with [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► Jason snow my curly that is probably my [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► favorite tech show it's it's just really [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► really great so yeah otherwise [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► he does pretty much covered it yeah none [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► in API you know and and what I love [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► about I mean I could talk about podcast [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► forever [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► so I'll try not to but what I love about [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► this is that none of us mentioned shows [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► that were like the biggest podcast in [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► the world Mendon MPI probably the [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► biggest one we mentioned but when people [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► think podcasting they so often will make [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► an assumption like everybody listen to [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► this American life where it's you know [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► stuff like that but the fact is there [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► isn't any podcast out there that [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► everybody listens to and there and like [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► the the the world of mass market or very [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► very popular podcasts is still actually [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► fairly diversified and there's a lot of [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► people who listen to a lot of podcasts [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► who don't listen to any of those big [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► ones so this is it's part of what I love [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► about podcasting is like it's so [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► incredibly diverse and specialized that [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► like I can look at so many podcasts and [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► there and there there are so many [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► amazing podcasts out there but I don't [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► need to spend any time listening to [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► things that aren't like really [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► interesting to me and that aren't [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► specialized to my interests because [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► there's so much that is and that's just [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► a part of what I love about podcasting [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► and and you know my over cast list is [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► huge I subscribed tons of things I was [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► trying to give recommendations that [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► maybe people might not go for like up [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► you know I didn't recommend the talk [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► show cuz I assume you know that show [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► exists that it's good and you should [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► totally listen to it like it didn't [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► recommend this American life cuz I mean [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► you know that show exists and it's good [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► and you should listen to it right trying [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► to find these slightly more obscure [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► corners but that's the other thing I [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► like about podcasts I subscribe to way [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► more podcasts than I then I faithfully [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► listen to like I'm not a podcast [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► completionists I have tons of [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► descriptions a few shows I keep up with [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► very religiously but a lot of shows I [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► let age and then go through five [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► episodes at a time and a lot of shows I [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► just pick and choose from that's the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► best thing not only do you not have to [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► like oh there's only five podcasts that [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► everyone listens to if you find a [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► podcast that you really like and [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► sometimes you find a podcast and you [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► only have to listen to the episodes that [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► you really like like even like being [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► comparable like if they do an episode [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► reviewing something you don't care about [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► skip that episode like they're [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► standalone but they're you know they do [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► a thing about TV show that you didn't [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► watch you're not interested in fine like [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► just pick and choose that's the beauty [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► of podcasting visuals in every episode [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► of our show obviously oh yeah of course [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► I mean how could you [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► regular language writes in what do you [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► think about the current state of Swift I [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► would like to hear what John and Marco [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► have to say about si I guess Casey a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► rant about Swift opens oh I think [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► there's new lines missing here [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► basically what do you guys think and [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► maybe me talk about Swift open source so [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► I will I guess round this out at the end [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► so let's start with Marco and then go to [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► John honestly I don't pay that much [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► attention to what's going on in Swift I [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► know I'm supposed to I know I should [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► overcast contains some Swift code that I [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► added you know to try cheaper stuff the [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► language and and stuff but I'm still [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► writing most couldn't you have to see [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► and it's it's not really out of a [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► judgment of Swift so much as it's just a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► pragmatism that I I still don't see a [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► lot of motivation for you to switch I [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► recognize that I should but I in [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► practice don't John I would never picked [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► it seems like it's chugging along I I do [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► keep up with the things that are going [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► on and it it's it still got you know [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► challenges but it's making slow steady [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► progress so I think Swift is moving in [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the right direction at varying speeds [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► and we have to say about si no no that's [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► that's not see the language I think [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► basically the question was what do you [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► guys have to say about Swift and what do [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► I have to say specifically about Swift [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► open-source so yeah I think your summary [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► of Swift is good and in brief and I [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► stick by our stand by it [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► Swift open source is a double-edged [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► sword I think I think that the problem [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► that I have aspect of Swift open source [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► is that it seems like a lot of the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► really really really academic like I'm [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► trying to think of a way to say this [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► without being pejorative but people who [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► are much more interested in the academic [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► side of programming languages seem to be [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the ones that are most vocal and most [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► interested to participate on like the [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► mailing lists and things of that nature [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► where someone like myself which is not [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► to say I'm like at the same caliber as a [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► super academic but someone like myself [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► who I like to think of as a reasonably [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► smart guy but I don't really have any [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► interest in like following the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► intricacies of what's going on in the [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► mailing list I don't really have any [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► interest in argue [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► about you know different pitches that [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► have been made via the mailing list I [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► just want to get crap done man and to me [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► I feel like swift open source it feels [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► like from an outsider's point of view [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► that maybe it could use a little more [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► Stern direction from Apple to prevent [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► the kind of meandering and the kind of I [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► don't know language features that I find [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► to be really really silly and not [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► terribly helpful for actually just [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► shipping products and that's where I [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► kind of get a little frustrated but [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► that's easy it's easy for me to throw [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► stones from outside the glass house [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► right and and really if I wanted to [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► effect change what I should be doing is [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► participating on the door mailing list [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► that I'm lamenting I'm not sure you [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► should be doing that because I'm going [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to put this out there language design is [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► a different skill than being a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► programmer and using that language is [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► entirely appropriate that the lists [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► where people are designing the languages [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► looks weird to someone who's like I just [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► want to write my programs like you make [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► the language and give it to me like they [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► don't need to cross that word I think [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► swift evolution I've seen a lot of [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► languages I'm mailing lists and so [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► evolution is above average believe it or [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► not and maybe if you look in the outside [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► this is the first time you follow the [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► development of any language you can look [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► like dominated by academics and weird [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and chaotic and a lot of bike shedding [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► but in the grand scheme of things there [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► they are above average and you know just [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► coming so early to say look we're gonna [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► have releases we're gonna exclude things [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► from them and then you know like there's [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► gonna be people discussing things enlist [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► even though they say they're excluded [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► from Swift serious but for like but in [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► general I think they're pretty well [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► behaved and I do want essentially [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► language nerds or people like people [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► with the skill the language designs [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► skill and you know RPG parlance or [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► whatever to be designing the language [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► rather than having a bunch of people who [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► just wanted to use the language throwing [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► out the first idea that pops into their [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► head that I think might make their [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► they're like beginning language [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► designers like I've been programming for [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► 20 years and I think a language would be [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► cool how many languages have you design [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► have you tried doing that what does it [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► actually turn out to be so I like I like [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► language design as a separate skill [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► being developed among people who just do [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► that and seeing them do their thing [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► definitely does look weird [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► I endure I also and part of why I have [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► not adopted Swift more is that the idea [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► of of investing my time into a language [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► that is still very much a beta is a huge [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► turnoff for me like I I do not I have no [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► interest in participating in the design [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► of this language I have no interest in [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► beta testing this language for anybody [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► in the same way like I don't want to [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► beta test brakes on my car you know like [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► I want to get the final brakes thank you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► and I want them to work and I don't have [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► to I don't want to ever have to think [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► about them or I never wanted to flick [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► out or fail or cause me undo undo work [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► it sound like a test loan or you don't [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► want a bid that's the brakes that set a [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► new firmware for your brakes last night [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► while you were asleep like for me like I [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► like especially like every summer when [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► during beta season when like all the new [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► stuff comes out and I see all the iOS [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► developers I know complaining about [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► something that Swift broke I am very [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► happy to not be very reliant on it right [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► and you know because the fact is like [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► I'm in a different developer I don't [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► have a lot of time I like and and the [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► time I have to spend coding I have to [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► spend it very wisely and the most [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► frustrating thing for me I which is true [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► of many people is fighting with my tools [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► and so any language or part of my [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► developer tool chain I'm going to try to [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► minimize reasons that I would have to [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► fight with it or the amount of work [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that's going to require from me to use [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► and Swift while it does look like a you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► know a fairly I'm sure it will be good [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► once it's done for me right now the [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► reality of using Swift is still a lot of [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► overhead and a lot of dealing with the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► changes as they come and dealing with [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► weird things breaking sometimes and I [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► just want to wait till it's all settled [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► before I invest heavily into it because [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► I have zero interest in being an early [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► adopter for things like this all I want [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► is for it to work so I can spend my time [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► in other ways you know I will say that [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► there are certainly annoyances and and I [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► can't legitimately argue with anything [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► that you've said but it feels like it's [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► gotten a lot better over the last you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► know six to 12 months say oh yeah and [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► and and the dabbling of done on the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► Xcode 9 beta by and large [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► it's like it's a beta of course but by [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► and large it looks really solid and so I [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► think and of course you would say this [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► every year right now is the time to dive [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► in Marco it's all better than it ever [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► was and you know it's the Year Linux on [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► the desktop right it'll always be better [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► the next year but it is not nearly as [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► scary now as it once was but there's [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► still dragons back there from time to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► time and I would also love to use Swift [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► on the server like that's that's one [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► thing that has me very interested in [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► learning it because like the idea of [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► learning one language that I can use in [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► both places is incredibly attractive to [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► me like that because that would be a [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► great use of you know if I'm gonna learn [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► more languages and master more [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► frameworks being able to use the same [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► one in both places basically makes it [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► twice as valuable to me so I would love [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► but it's all just so early and it to [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► have basics like concurrency not worked [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► out yet is like I just I need well yes [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► and go right like it's just as worked [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► out as the distant objective-c because [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► you still have GCD and whatnot it's just [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that well I'm what I'm saying server I [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► mean Linux though well ok fair but it my [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► point is just that like concurrency I [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► agree with you should be worked out any [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► much better way but it's not like we're [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► handcuffed now it's just that it's the [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► existing GCD API [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► well again maybe not on the server but [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► at least on on the client it's the [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► existing GCD API and it actually is a [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► lot nicer in a lot of ways but but there [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► should be something like you know [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► everyone is calling for C sharps [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► async/await [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► so we'll see what happens we are [TS]

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00:45:34 ◼   ► Klein writes about two years ago you [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► discuss women in tech and podcasting and [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► even exchange hosts how do you feel [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► today regarding women in tech this is a [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► very good question which stresses me out [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► because I feel like I'm gonna step on [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► some landmine here but that being said I [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► feel like we have made sweet not the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► three of us like we as a as a community [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► have made a fair bit of positive strides [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► but still have a almost equal amount of [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► improvement left to make and I feel like [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► people are paying a lot more attention [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► to the fact that there's so much sexism [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► in tech and it's such a crummy place to [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► be a woman and I think the easiest [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► example of this is people like regular [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► knowing what a cesspool uber is slash [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► was and regular people deciding to use [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► lyft instead of uber which quick aside I [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► used lyft [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► in Chicago when Aaron and I were on our [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► 10-year wedding anniversary and it was [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► worked great no different than uber and [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► so I highly recommend it but anyway so [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► we still have a ton of room like it's [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► one of those things where we have taken [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► like the tiniest littlest step forward [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► but there's still like 85,000 miles in [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► front of us so it's almost imperceptible [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► Marco I I basically agree I mean I I [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► unfortunately am NOT an expert in this [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► topic you know a few few men and tech [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► are you know there's that's not a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► coincidence [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► um it's it's a huge problem and we still [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► have so so long to go but we are talking [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► about it now way more than it used to be [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► talked about so even though I I don't [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► have the knowledge to know whether it's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► actually making progress really I have [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► no idea [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► I would guess - making slow progress but [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► we are talking about it and a lot more [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► people ourselves included are much more [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► conscientious of this being an issue [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► than we used to be and that has to help [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► - and there's obviously a lot more that [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► we can all do and that we need to do all [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► do but I do think that awareness is way [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► better than it was and that will slowly [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► start helping this problem yeah that's [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► like the first stage of all these things [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► is the very long process of getting [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► people to be aware that this is an issue [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► at all what's the issue what is the [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► problem is this the thing that exists [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and that takes a really long time it's [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► kind of depressing to me because my [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► childhood like I felt like the whole the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► one of the previous names of a larger [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► version this that the women's lib [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► movement back in the 60s and 70s and [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► even to the 80s was also in that stage [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► of like hey raise awareness like women's [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► liberation what do women do need to be [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► liberated from what do you mean right I [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► felt like we went through that and and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► then like that knowledge was lost [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► somehow and now here we are back in the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► tech sector which is a microcosm of the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► larger world is like do we have to [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► relearn that sexism exists apparently [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► the answer is yes and we're learning it [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► better and [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► more thoroughly and with I think a [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► clearer I'd picture and not accepting as [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► many limitations as the previous you [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► know feminist movements and women's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► liberation and all the other stuff but I [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► still very strongly feel that we are in [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► the awareness phase for everybody I've [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► you know for me as well like and I do [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► see some concrete signs of progress I [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► find myself seeing I mean from my [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► perspective a lot of what I see is like [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► who's speaking at this tech conference I [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► see and watch and hear about and get [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► forwarded to me more really good talks [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► by women at tech conferences as the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► circles I travel in and my twitter or [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► whatever then I did several years ago [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► and I feel like that is progress [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► probably just progress in my awareness [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► that that is a thing and also progress [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► in the people I follow forwarding me [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► those things and you know I get says [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► like the fact that there can even be a [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► story that has any real-world [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► consequences to a company about hey this [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► company is run by a bunch of sexist [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► jerks and that actually like is a I [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► think we hear about and be something [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► anything literally anything happens [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► about it maybe not the right thing maybe [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► not the best things but something [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► happens like if one extra person deletes [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► their app like that is a tiny bit of [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► progress but yeah that's that's pretty [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► much how I feel how it's going and about [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► us specifically on the show like we're [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► still we still talk about it we still [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► discuss it we still try to do what we [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► can in the ways that we can you know [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► it's it's a continuing struggle yep [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► robin christopherson writes in which if [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► any of the many rumored changes to the [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► new iphone would actually make you [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► decide not to upgrade if it comes to [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► pass [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► i'm gonna go on a very small rant about [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► this i don't understand people who say [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► and i can't think of a specific specific [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► example of oh actually the touch bar is [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► a great example i will never like the [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► touch bar and I will never buy a Mac [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► that has a touch bar that to me just [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► doesn't make sense because it stands to [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► reason that at least for portable Mac's [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the touch bar is going to be the future [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► probably across the line it may not be [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► for five years or something like that [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► but it will probably be the future and [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► even if the touch bar if you think [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► that's a crummy example it doesn't [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► matter my point is like [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► just get on the bus the bus is pulling [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► away get on the bus and you may not love [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► it but get on the bus because what's the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► alternative go to Windows ha have fun [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and and so to me [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► there may be something that I don't like [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► about the new iPhones so for the sake of [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► example I'm skeptical that I would [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► terribly enjoy the face on lock and I [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► would you know and I suspect I wouldn't [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► miss touch ID but I mean I will [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► certainly give it a shot and I will [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► certainly give it a shot and if it ends [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► up that I like touch ID better well then [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► that's a stinky part of the new iPhone [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► but everything else will be amazing so [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► it'll all even itself out so I don't [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► really understand the question but I [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► don't really understand this question do [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► you think the narrower view they're [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► asking would make you not want to [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► upgrade and when I saw this question I [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► thought about like touch ID on the back [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► if they couldn't if they can't get the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► touch ADEA under the screen for this [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► generation but we know for a fact those [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► other phones do this that fingerprint [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► sensing under screen is a technology [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► that exists it just you know wasn't up [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► to Apple's caliber yet for whatever [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► reason I might say if I was if it was my [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► upgrade year which isn't by the way I [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► might say oh I'm not gonna upgrade to [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► see this phone I'll wait till next year [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► when hopefully they'll have that sorted [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► out or we even wait to the next [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► generation please you know I have no [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► problem waiting oh it's not like Casey [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► was saying like oh I'm never gonna buy [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► with touch bar like obviously eventually [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► you're gonna have to get a new phone and [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► eventually I would choose to get an [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► iPhone but specifically like oh if they [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► make a new form factor and it's the [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► first male year and they had to make [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► weird compromises and such ideas in the [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► back even if it's just as simple as like [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► they put touch ID in the back but I've [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► never used touch ID in the back I'm not [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► sure I like it I rather let a bunch of [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► my friends who I know really well buy [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► this phone and tell me about it so the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► next year I'll know whether I think I'll [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► like it or like just play with them to [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► store whatever so yes there are lots of [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► weird things involving the phone that [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► would make me decide not to upgrade but [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► I don't think there's many things that [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► would make me decide I'm never going to [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► buy an iPhone again and that's that's a [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► different question [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► yeah I mean I I think pretty similarly I [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► mean look we all know I'm gonna buy it [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► regardless so why why even bother I mean [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► you know III think the answer is you [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► know I'm gonna do what I always do which [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► is I'm going to buy the new thing [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► immediately and then I complained or [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► anything that's worse about it fair [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► enough that's typically how these things [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► tend to go I did not want to answer this [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► question because this is another example [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► of where I don't care [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► but somebody and I think that person's [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► name might be John siracusa has decided [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► we should answer this question so [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► stephen sand off writes tabs or spaces I [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► honestly don't even have the faintest [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► idea what my editors set to it's [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► whatever the default for X code is don't [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► care your monster don't even know I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► don't even know just pick one [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► actually I can say the same thing so I [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► know what it is in text made but for my [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► iOS code or next code I actually have no [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► idea which one it is but I will say in [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► text made it's spaces but I this is the [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► kind of like I'd feel about this a few [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► weeks ago like it doesn't really matter [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► because good tools let you switch [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► between one or the other with like one [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► command so it's it's it really doesn't [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► matter at all no no no that's something [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► a tab user would say it totally matter [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► so let me tell you why so first of all [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► I'm my ants aren't abs versus spaces is [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► spaces and the reason I say space is [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► because spaces are the same size [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► visually everywhere but the whole point [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► in tabs I thought is that you I can [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► choose to have my tabs be a thousand [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► right okay yep so now tabs now it's like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► okay well tabs are semantic in don't [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► tell me how big has to be the problem [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► with that is that I think good [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► formatting in most not maybe some less [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► in some programming languages good [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► formatting needs to be done has [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► instances in which you want to indent by [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► less than one indentation level to align [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► things right and if you use spaces [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► everywhere there is no ambiguity and you [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► can make it look like how you want it to [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► look like if you use tabs [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► some Joker is gonna set their tab to two [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► and someone else is gonna have it set to [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► four and someone's gonna have it set to [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► eight and the part and the line where [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► you use tabs but then use space to align [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► a bunch of things is gonna look crazy [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► pants [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► spaces is the correct answer but I'm [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► forced to use tabs at work and have for [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► many years and so if you're working [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► programmer you got to do what you got to [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► do with the actual entrance spaces and [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► and Chris lat agrees with me so there [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► you go and that's all that really [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► matters I bet that's gonna meet what [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► eventually drives you to quit your job [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► like eventually one day yours you're [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► gonna hit that tab key for the last time [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► and you're like that's it I'm done no I [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► mean you still hate you still hit the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► tab key even wanted to space this but [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► like I you I work changed both my brace [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► style and the indenting character but [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► this is what it means to be a working [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► programmer it's too far wait what what [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► is your preferred brace style [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► many years ago I used bsd-style opening [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► and closing on the same column mm-hmm [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► for basically of my entire career up to [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► like maybe 10 years ago and then I [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► switched to forcibly switch to KN are no [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► coddled else's come on people I'm a K&R [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► person myself you know I used to hide [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► first why I had no idea those were the [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► two like I I did know the names for [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► those two styles but I used to be [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► violently devoutly in favor of what did [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► you say BSD where all of the openings in [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► Iran might be almond it's the one where [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► the the opening curly is underneath the [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► eye and if right right right that's [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► that's the way I used to be just and I [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► was passionately about Italy almost as [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► bad as I am about people who say jiff [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► like I passionately believed that that [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► you have to put it under eye and those [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► monsters that sage if that also put the [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► the opening brace at the end of the line [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► or just without help and overtime [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► similar story I think because I started [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► writing a fair bit of JavaScript I ended [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► up kind of switching to the other style [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► where you have you know if something [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► opened open brace new line like it's an [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► important part in every programmer who [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► doesn't work for themselves in a single [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► person shop and they're in their careers [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► is becoming not just multi-language [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► fluent but becoming able to and you've [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► rework on open source projects your [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► forces this to becoming able to write [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► code and the style demanded by the thing [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► that you're doing whether it's a job or [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► an open source project or whatever you [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► can't I mean you can be Precious about [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► it and have a preferred thing but you [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► have to be able to get the job done in [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► whatever language are formatting that is [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► dictated by the mob you just have to [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► it's just practically and [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► you know in the end like I was also [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► pretty strongly about opening curly [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► under the little eye and I still think [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► it's the style that makes more sense but [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► you know you get over it a few years of [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► using kar and you're like okay like it's [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► and it's actually difficult if you get [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► into a groove to switch back and forth [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► like if the mode switch between them you [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► just your fingers will you'll find them [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► doing the things they do and you have to [TS]

00:58:05 ◼   ► switch back but like that's life that's [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► programming for you I'm actually the [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► reason why I use knr style is that I [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► used to use the brace hump of the eye [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► but like in college and like as I was [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► teaching myself how to program and going [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► through college like I used that style [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► and then my first job you strictly KN [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► our style and they just like broke me of [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► that habit and then that became my style [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► anyway well we can all agree tabs versus [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► spaces it doesn't really matter but the [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► right answer spaces unless you use two [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► spaces in which case you're an animal I [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► think I could probably get behind that [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► Spencer Holbrook writes in what low [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► level part of Apple stack would you like [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► to see replaced next hfs+ day a PFS [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► Objective C to Swift OpenGL to metal etc [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► I think I'm most anxious and most [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► interested in HFS+ to a PFS and I can't [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► think of another example if top my head [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► I'm sure John you'll probably have one [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► but none of these are really rev my [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► engine that much sorry John markula [TS]