The Accidental Tech Podcast

233: Nobody Cares But Me, But I Do Care


00:00:00   so you use the it's a 15 inch know you [TS]

00:00:02   have but you know you have the the [TS]

00:00:04   escape with the 5k and the escapes [TS]

00:00:07   clamshell close its back to a 15 [TS]

00:00:09   remember I know I make it hard to keep [TS]

00:00:11   track [TS]

00:00:12   I can't keep track holy shit on a 15 [TS]

00:00:16   touch bar I'm a 15 touch bar which I [TS]

00:00:18   never actually used the touch bar and [TS]

00:00:20   that was because all the ports it was [TS]

00:00:21   partially because of the ports it was [TS]

00:00:23   partially because I tried the first few [TS]

00:00:25   weekends I was spending here I used the [TS]

00:00:27   the map book escape with the 5k and it [TS]

00:00:31   was struggling to drive all those pixels [TS]

00:00:33   like basic operations like window [TS]

00:00:35   dragging was slow and and then and I I [TS]

00:00:37   did want more performance if it was [TS]

00:00:39   gonna be like my main computer for a [TS]

00:00:41   month of heavy iOS development you know [TS]

00:00:44   then I rationalize it away by saying [TS]

00:00:45   well then when I go home I can bring the [TS]

00:00:48   LG 5k and I can sell my iMac while it is [TS]

00:00:52   still under any kind of warranty it has [TS]

00:00:54   like it's I think it's under warranty to [TS]

00:00:56   October and then you know use my [TS]

00:00:58   clamshell with this but instead of I [TS]

00:01:00   have now as my main set up until the Mac [TS]

00:01:03   Pro comes out next year so I have [TS]

00:01:06   appropriated a second 4k monitor which [TS]

00:01:09   is a story that's not worth telling at [TS]

00:01:10   the moment so I have two of these LJ 4k [TS]

00:01:14   monitor LG for the Duchesse ALJ LG 4k [TS]

00:01:16   monitors that are now being run off of [TS]

00:01:18   my pre touch bar MacBook Pro and to be [TS]

00:01:24   honest it actually seems just fine with [TS]

00:01:26   these now granted there for K not 5k [TS]

00:01:28   it's a big difference but it seems just [TS]

00:01:29   fine with two 4k s however I have [TS]

00:01:32   forgotten how persnickety and and fickle [TS]

00:01:35   Mac OS is when it comes to clamshell [TS]

00:01:39   mode there are lots of times that all [TS]

00:01:41   like I put it to sleep and I open it up [TS]

00:01:44   and it spurious and sometimes doesn't [TS]

00:01:46   wake up I don't put it to sleep and I [TS]

00:01:47   just rip all the cables out and I walk [TS]

00:01:49   away and it goes to sleep and then may [TS]

00:01:51   or may not wake up I'll open the lid and [TS]

00:01:54   I'll rip all the cables out then [TS]

00:01:56   everything just dances all over the [TS]

00:01:57   place and then it may or may not [TS]

00:01:58   actually be the way I want it to be its [TS]

00:02:02   clamshell is not really what we should [TS]

00:02:04   be doing with these things which is [TS]

00:02:06   unfortunate because I do like it when I [TS]

00:02:07   have either you know a 5k is you have or [TS]

00:02:10   like a couple of for K's like I have and [TS]

00:02:12   say what like as [TS]

00:02:13   I've been using clamshell here at [TS]

00:02:15   vacation times and I completely agree [TS]

00:02:18   like it's been a while since I've used [TS]

00:02:20   just a laptop with Mac OS at like laptop [TS]

00:02:23   with a desktop screen connected to it [TS]

00:02:24   like it's been a like I used to do it [TS]

00:02:26   all the time I used my my main setup but [TS]

00:02:28   that was probably a good six seven years [TS]

00:02:30   ago at least and I had forgotten like [TS]

00:02:33   quite how just inconsistent a lot of the [TS]

00:02:36   stuff is like it just it doesn't work [TS]

00:02:38   right and that le now with the touch bar [TS]

00:02:39   it's even worse like every time I log in [TS]

00:02:41   the text box won't show on the main [TS]

00:02:44   screen I think you start typing because [TS]

00:02:46   it's the laptop is waiting for touch ID [TS]

00:02:48   but it's closed and so on the big LG [TS]

00:02:51   screen it just shows me a login window [TS]

00:02:53   and it will not show the text area [TS]

00:02:55   unless you start typing it's like weird [TS]

00:02:58   little stuff like that it's just it's [TS]

00:02:59   just not it's not good I really honestly [TS]

00:03:02   I'm rethinking my plan now of like [TS]

00:03:05   getting rid of my iMac early I'm like oh [TS]

00:03:07   god this is this is awkward [TS]

00:03:08   not to mention like this lg screen is [TS]

00:03:11   such a piece of crap really [TS]

00:03:13   I rented a vanity for like it's not I [TS]

00:03:15   mean so one thing is I had to get an [TS]

00:03:17   Ergo Tron arm because the stand is so [TS]

00:03:20   wobbly [TS]

00:03:20   it just kept wobbling like every time I [TS]

00:03:23   would like type on my keyboard I don't [TS]

00:03:24   think I'm I'm that aggressive of a [TS]

00:03:26   typist but every time I would type on [TS]

00:03:28   the keyboard my monitor would wobble [TS]

00:03:30   back and forth but yeah yeah LG is it's [TS]

00:03:33   it's a piece of crap it's just it's not [TS]

00:03:35   a good it's it's a PC monitor it has [TS]

00:03:38   crap speaker that has crap frame around [TS]

00:03:40   it it's you know it had that stupid [TS]

00:03:42   interference problem with the early ones [TS]

00:03:44   like it's just not a well engineered [TS]

00:03:45   piece of anything and I I don't expect [TS]

00:03:49   to be buying more non-apple monitors [TS]

00:03:51   there if I can help it alright so this [TS]

00:03:56   is a weird setup for tonight it is [TS]

00:03:59   currently the evening of Friday the 4th [TS]

00:04:01   of August and we are going to do a [TS]

00:04:04   marathon recording session and we need [TS]

00:04:06   to get this week's which probably won't [TS]

00:04:08   be released until tomorrow on the fifth [TS]

00:04:11   Saturday the 5th of August this week's [TS]

00:04:13   recording which will probably be a [TS]

00:04:15   mostly normal ATP recording and next [TS]

00:04:19   weeks which will be released on or [TS]

00:04:21   around Wednesday the 9th we are going to [TS]

00:04:24   do a [TS]

00:04:25   bit of Q&A probably for most of what [TS]

00:04:28   ends up being the second episode but we [TS]

00:04:31   are recording these both back-to-back [TS]

00:04:33   and we may or may not have a cleaned [TS]

00:04:36   separation between the first episode in [TS]

00:04:39   the second depending on how aggressive [TS]

00:04:41   Marko gets when he does the slicing and [TS]

00:04:43   dicing so I have so many ideas I can [TS]

00:04:46   only imagine this is like I'm thinking [TS]

00:04:48   like so my two favorite ideas are either [TS]

00:04:50   we do like next week on a TP like one of [TS]

00:04:55   those like previous or we do like the [TS]

00:04:57   classic cop-out of like I don't know how [TS]

00:04:59   to end this song in the 80s so I'm just [TS]

00:05:01   gonna fade it out I'll just be repeating [TS]

00:05:05   the same sentence over and over again [TS]

00:05:07   and just slowly fade way to spoil your [TS]

00:05:10   two best ideas I hope you don't put this [TS]

00:05:12   in the episode so anyway so this one it [TS]

00:05:18   might feel this one in the next one I [TS]

00:05:20   should say might feel slightly weird and [TS]

00:05:22   I apologize if that's the case like we [TS]

00:05:25   had mentioned I think on the last [TS]

00:05:26   episode between the three of us we have [TS]

00:05:28   planned our vacations to not overlap at [TS]

00:05:32   all which is kind of unfortunate for [TS]

00:05:35   times when you want to make sure all [TS]

00:05:36   three of you are here to record so we're [TS]

00:05:38   doing the best we can we apologize and [TS]

00:05:39   thanks for bearing with us [TS]

00:05:40   that being said John how was your beach [TS]

00:05:43   vacation it's fine beat that I would [TS]

00:05:57   have guessed let's talk about TSM C's [TS]

00:06:01   ten millimeters excuse me ten nanometers [TS]

00:06:03   versus Intel Intel's 10 nanometers and [TS]

00:06:06   we had somebody in the know right in and [TS]

00:06:09   that person said you know I work for one [TS]

00:06:13   of the companies involved and they might [TS]

00:06:15   be biased but I like the show this is [TS]

00:06:17   this person talking and I just wanted to [TS]

00:06:19   point out that like so many other things [TS]

00:06:20   in technology naming of processed notes [TS]

00:06:22   has become more marketing than reality [TS]

00:06:24   so there's an article that talks about [TS]

00:06:26   this and one of the recent tricks [TS]

00:06:28   continues this anonymous email or one of [TS]

00:06:30   the recent tricks is to quote a distance [TS]

00:06:32   between features that are not [TS]

00:06:33   electrically active so this allows you [TS]

00:06:36   to quote a small number but of course [TS]

00:06:37   doesn't do much for increasing [TS]

00:06:38   transistor debt then [TS]

00:06:40   and another person in a Julian Heather [TS]

00:06:43   Bell wrote in to say that TSM sees ten [TS]

00:06:45   nanometers is only a bit denser than [TS]

00:06:47   Intel's 14 so Intel claims a three-year [TS]

00:06:51   advantage on ten nanometers and wants to [TS]

00:06:53   redefine everything we have another post [TS]

00:06:54   about that and yet another post which [TS]

00:06:57   will put them show notes about how Intel [TS]

00:06:59   may still be set to lose process [TS]

00:07:01   leadership after next year we're gonna [TS]

00:07:03   race you in a hurry you got somewhere to [TS]

00:07:05   be we have two episodes to fill here [TS]

00:07:09   stretch it out you know do you know the [TS]

00:07:11   TV stretch out motion looks like you're [TS]

00:07:12   pulling taffy doing the opposite you're [TS]

00:07:15   doing the the fingers rotate bring it [TS]

00:07:17   together yeah yeah get it together [TS]

00:07:19   do you really need to try hard to [TS]

00:07:21   stretch out follow up apparently we do [TS]

00:07:23   because Casey's going for a speed run [TS]

00:07:25   again let me know there will be three [TS]

00:07:29   links in those show nuts if you want to [TS]

00:07:30   read more about this but the upshot is [TS]

00:07:31   that a lot a lot of people rose to say [TS]

00:07:33   hey until 10 nanometre isn't gonna be [TS]

00:07:36   way smaller than TSMC Nana made 10 [TS]

00:07:39   nanometre and there's a lot of reasons [TS]

00:07:40   for that and feature size is not very [TS]

00:07:44   strictly defined as this couple is [TS]

00:07:46   emails pointed out you know you can [TS]

00:07:48   quote-unquote cheat by quoting distances [TS]

00:07:51   that are in meaningful recording [TS]

00:07:52   distances that make your particular [TS]

00:07:53   arrangement look good because again [TS]

00:07:55   these are when they're laying out the [TS]

00:07:57   things on the chips it's a 3d [TS]

00:07:59   arrangement of things there's a layering [TS]

00:08:00   vertical horizontal you know it's it's [TS]

00:08:02   three-dimensional it's not just like [TS]

00:08:03   even though it's done with you know with [TS]

00:08:05   ography it's not just two-dimensional [TS]

00:08:07   like a drawing it's actually a 3d shape [TS]

00:08:08   and it influences what the distances are [TS]

00:08:10   between things anyway it's complicated [TS]

00:08:12   but consensus was from all the different [TS]

00:08:14   feedback and all that in articles that [TS]

00:08:16   TSMC ten millimeter is not as small as [TS]

00:08:19   until ten nanometer tint also has a lead [TS]

00:08:21   and that final link is like well maybe [TS]

00:08:23   they have lead now but they're gonna [TS]

00:08:24   lose it and in 2019 and later and I [TS]

00:08:27   guess we'll see that was still fairly [TS]

00:08:29   quick thank you very much but you're [TS]

00:08:34   right we should stretch it out so Steven [TS]

00:08:37   Dean wrote in to say I can't even [TS]

00:08:42   continue with it I thought you were [TS]

00:08:43   struggling to pronounce his name even [TS]

00:08:47   Dean that one's really difficult so [TS]

00:08:50   Steven wrote in to say you're missing a [TS]

00:08:52   lot of your movies sound [TS]

00:08:53   without a subwoofer your atoms only go [TS]

00:08:55   down to about 86 Hertz which is normal [TS]

00:08:58   cutoff for a non full range can you [TS]

00:09:00   translate that into English for me yeah [TS]

00:09:02   so basically you know speakers because [TS]

00:09:04   they are these giant moving things and [TS]

00:09:05   everything there's a certain frequency [TS]

00:09:06   range that they're able to reproduce and [TS]

00:09:09   and what he's saying is that the low end [TS]

00:09:12   of the frequency range of the woofers [TS]

00:09:15   that are in my paradigm atom speakers [TS]

00:09:17   are they can't reproduce very very very [TS]

00:09:21   low frequencies and subwoofers have a [TS]

00:09:24   lower floor they can reproduce [TS]

00:09:25   frequencies much lower and and that is [TS]

00:09:29   certainly one reason to have a sub [TS]

00:09:31   woofer I think a better reason to have a [TS]

00:09:33   sub woofer is to get like more bass [TS]

00:09:36   energy you know more you can get more of [TS]

00:09:39   that thump more of that slam I'm like [TS]

00:09:41   and you know base hits and sounds and [TS]

00:09:43   stuff and you can just also just get [TS]

00:09:45   more volume and more spread that's [TS]

00:09:47   probably a better reason to have it [TS]

00:09:48   honestly but my my reasons for not [TS]

00:09:51   liking subwoofers and not really wanting [TS]

00:09:53   one remain I designed my TV speaker [TS]

00:09:56   setup to be really good for music in a [TS]

00:09:59   way that still is okay for TV and I [TS]

00:10:02   think for music I still largely prefer [TS]

00:10:05   two speakers not surround and for that [TS]

00:10:09   to be not with some like big booming [TS]

00:10:12   thumpy subwoofer you know on in the [TS]

00:10:15   corner of the room now I know it there [TS]

00:10:17   are ways to do it better [TS]

00:10:18   however the arrangement of my living [TS]

00:10:20   room is such that I don't really have a [TS]

00:10:22   good place to put a subwoofer or maybe [TS]

00:10:25   even a pair of subwoofers that would [TS]

00:10:28   make any sense and that would sound good [TS]

00:10:30   so you know it lots of people have [TS]

00:10:32   written in saying you know you can put [TS]

00:10:34   the subwoofer in good places there are [TS]

00:10:35   good so but you know there are more of [TS]

00:10:37   that more you know more ways to do it [TS]

00:10:39   and then when I said last time and that [TS]

00:10:40   is true you know in an ideal world but [TS]

00:10:43   my living room is on an ideal world and [TS]

00:10:45   so I have limitations of of you know [TS]

00:10:48   what I can put where how much space I [TS]

00:10:51   have in the current arrangement how [TS]

00:10:53   things need to look because we don't [TS]

00:10:56   want everything to just be this one like [TS]

00:10:57   giant box so you know my setup is fine [TS]

00:11:01   for me and if you want subwoofers and [TS]

00:11:03   you were set up or if you want surround [TS]

00:11:04   sound and your setup cool I don't really [TS]

00:11:06   mind either [TS]

00:11:07   I don't know how the setup is good for [TS]

00:11:09   music if you're giving up 2286 hurts [TS]

00:11:12   that entire frequency range that's it [TS]

00:11:14   that president music - it's not just [TS]

00:11:15   movies explosions that have it you know [TS]

00:11:17   I mean all the things about volume [TS]

00:11:18   obviously yeah maybe you want to [TS]

00:11:19   exaggerate in a movie but just plain old [TS]

00:11:20   music music has bass - I know you don't [TS]

00:11:22   like bass you're doing your own reviews [TS]

00:11:24   but that's not true i I don't like when [TS]

00:11:29   basses all you hear and and so while [TS]

00:11:33   again I agree that it would be nice to [TS]

00:11:36   have you know solid response across the [TS]

00:11:38   whole frequency range in practice that's [TS]

00:11:40   hard it's easy it's way easier doing [TS]

00:11:42   headphones than it is and speakers [TS]

00:11:44   headphones you only have one driver and [TS]

00:11:46   you can you know you can do a lot of [TS]

00:11:48   even easier things with it but you know [TS]

00:11:51   the speakers you have to have like large [TS]

00:11:52   things that depend on the arrangement of [TS]

00:11:54   your room and and large boxes and large [TS]

00:11:57   transducers of some kind that vibrate up [TS]

00:11:59   and down and just get a home pot it will [TS]

00:12:00   figure out how your room is arranged and [TS]

00:12:01   make sure everything sounds okay [TS]

00:12:03   I actually really curious to hear how [TS]

00:12:06   the home pod deals with bass because [TS]

00:12:08   basically it's one of those things it's [TS]

00:12:09   kind of like the it's kind of like how [TS]

00:12:11   it's hard for very very small camera [TS]

00:12:13   sensors to do things that require big [TS]

00:12:16   glass bass reproduction is one of those [TS]

00:12:19   things where like at some point you kind [TS]

00:12:22   of just need largeness like you need [TS]

00:12:25   like a large surface to vibrate slowly [TS]

00:12:27   to get some of that you know and and so [TS]

00:12:30   it's very very hard for any kind of very [TS]

00:12:32   small speaker to have good bass response [TS]

00:12:34   that's why once the trend moved in [TS]

00:12:37   computer speakers and then later on home [TS]

00:12:39   theater speakers once the trend moved to [TS]

00:12:41   very very small speakers they also had [TS]

00:12:44   to add subwoofers because the little [TS]

00:12:47   tiny speakers would reproduce the higher [TS]

00:12:48   frequency it's just fine but then they [TS]

00:12:50   needed to add a sub woofer to get the [TS]

00:12:51   low frequencies and there was no way to [TS]

00:12:53   make like a small speaker that could [TS]

00:12:55   also do the low frequencies so the [TS]

00:12:57   Amazon echo definitely has this problem [TS]

00:12:59   where the bass on it it's non-existent [TS]

00:13:01   although the sound quality isn't very [TS]

00:13:03   good anyway on it so maybe they just [TS]

00:13:04   don't care but the home pod I would [TS]

00:13:07   imagine they're gonna care a lot about [TS]

00:13:09   sound quality so I am really curious to [TS]

00:13:12   see how they solve that problem if they [TS]

00:13:13   solve that problem or if they just you [TS]

00:13:16   know crank up the bass in in DSP in [TS]

00:13:19   wheaton within the speaker like [TS]

00:13:20   artificially inflate the little bit of [TS]

00:13:22   bass they have and just hope that's [TS]

00:13:25   enough and call today what was the [TS]

00:13:27   biggest driver in the home pot it was [TS]

00:13:28   like four inches or six inches or [TS]

00:13:30   something I don't know I have I sleuth [TS]

00:13:33   it up six inches is pretty big the whole [TS]

00:13:35   thing is not that big so we know it [TS]

00:13:36   can't be it's not bigger than than the [TS]

00:13:37   pot itself that's a pretty small little [TS]

00:13:40   thing but yeah I can't yeah can't be [TS]

00:13:41   that big of a speaker in there it's kind [TS]

00:13:43   of a shame that you know it was a [TS]

00:13:44   question I had about them and I still [TS]

00:13:46   have that although I think it's mostly [TS]

00:13:48   been answered if you buy two of them [TS]

00:13:49   like they recommend it's not as if they [TS]

00:13:51   act like stereo speakers it seems like [TS]

00:13:52   they both just figure out how to best [TS]

00:13:55   fill the room with sound but each one of [TS]

00:13:57   them it's not like one is the left [TS]

00:13:58   speaker more it's the right and [TS]

00:13:59   similarly one is wooden doesn't just [TS]

00:14:01   become the sub you know I mean like [TS]

00:14:03   imagine if one could just do the low [TS]

00:14:05   frequencies and it looks like a little [TS]

00:14:06   subwoofer anyway looks like a jellyfish [TS]

00:14:08   but apparently they don't work that way [TS]

00:14:10   when when we were living in Connecticut [TS]

00:14:14   so this is when I was in like high [TS]

00:14:15   school and dad had decided that he [TS]

00:14:20   wanted to take his home theater really [TS]

00:14:21   seriously and so not only did we have [TS]

00:14:23   some subwoofers somewhere in the corner [TS]

00:14:25   of the room but he actually installed I [TS]

00:14:27   believe the term was based shakers or at [TS]

00:14:30   least maybe maybe that's a brand like a [TS]

00:14:31   xerox thing and what is that a [TS]

00:14:32   proprietary eponym or whatever it is but [TS]

00:14:35   anyways basically under the floor of the [TS]

00:14:37   room the the TV room there were a [TS]

00:14:40   handful of basically vibrator motors [TS]

00:14:42   like you would find in your phone just [TS]

00:14:44   much bigger and they were wired into [TS]

00:14:46   like the amplifier and acted as like [TS]

00:14:47   ancillary subwoofers so you would [TS]

00:14:49   literally feel explosions when you were [TS]

00:14:51   watching movies is pretty cool at the [TS]

00:14:53   time magic fingers right I'm sure that's [TS]

00:14:56   a reference and I don't get it but I'm [TS]

00:14:57   just gonna roll with it these terms all [TS]

00:14:59   sound really gross and the modern [TS]

00:15:01   parlance it's a book the local furniture [TS]

00:15:04   store that has an IMAX theater this is a [TS]

00:15:06   normal thing if you are from where I'm [TS]

00:15:07   from oh my god has a thing called butt [TS]

00:15:11   kickers oh yeah it's not similar yeah [TS]

00:15:13   they call them butt kickers thing in [TS]

00:15:17   everybody seat that shakes you it's it's [TS]

00:15:20   novel it is novel that's well put also [TS]

00:15:24   Marco I want to commend you for being [TS]

00:15:25   okay with not perfection [TS]

00:15:27   because I completely agree with you like [TS]

00:15:29   it is unequivocally not perfection to [TS]

00:15:32   not have a subwoofer [TS]

00:15:34   to be okay with that it's kind of [TS]

00:15:36   freeing well it's the best it could [TS]

00:15:38   possibly be okay again it's the living [TS]

00:15:40   room set up right leg first of all that [TS]

00:15:42   is mostly not you it was mostly used for [TS]

00:15:43   TV I still wanted to sound very good for [TS]

00:15:45   music but it honestly is mostly used for [TS]

00:15:47   TV and and it sounds very good enough [TS]

00:15:50   for TV for us and like I even run this [TS]

00:15:52   by tiff like when we start having all [TS]

00:15:53   these discussions and everyone's telling [TS]

00:15:55   us you have to get a center channel you [TS]

00:15:56   have to you can't you can't use the [TS]

00:15:58   stereo mix it's terrible I asked him [TS]

00:16:00   like hey you wanna do other stuff it'll [TS]

00:16:02   apparently sound betters like no that's [TS]

00:16:04   it just no and okay really I don't [TS]

00:16:07   either so I don't even know why I'm [TS]

00:16:08   asking so there you go no we don't want [TS]

00:16:10   it but yeah I do understand it would be [TS]

00:16:12   better but there are there are different [TS]

00:16:15   factors here also like you know how we [TS]

00:16:16   want it to look how we actually use it [TS]

00:16:18   how we actually live you know so that's [TS]

00:16:20   different when it comes to my headphones [TS]

00:16:23   on the other hand right I actually [TS]

00:16:26   recently bought a second pair of my [TS]

00:16:29   awesome best headphones in the world [TS]

00:16:31   headphones the hi-fi man he6 [TS]

00:16:33   because they they were discontinued a [TS]

00:16:35   couple years ago and you kick him [TS]

00:16:37   anymore so I actually bought a used pair [TS]

00:16:39   on a forum that was in really like [TS]

00:16:41   brand-new condition basically and so now [TS]

00:16:42   I have a backup of those and of course I [TS]

00:16:44   brought one here so because we're in the [TS]

00:16:47   middle of a huge long a huge run of new [TS]

00:16:49   fish shows I'm not gonna listen to that [TS]

00:16:51   on my crap headphones I want to listen [TS]

00:16:53   with my awesome headphones so here I am [TS]

00:16:55   right right in the middle of a huge run [TS]

00:16:59   of fish shows that before you finish [TS]

00:17:00   that census like it's like are the fish [TS]

00:17:02   spawning are they coming up onto the [TS]

00:17:04   shore and if you get into your house [TS]

00:17:06   like now nope eh of course [TS]

00:17:08   well yeah well only one of them is good [TS]

00:17:10   but is this a thing that happens is like [TS]

00:17:12   the weather like during the summer [TS]

00:17:13   that's when the fish shows come [TS]

00:17:16   [Laughter] [TS]

00:17:19   Christmas Island crabs they just crawl [TS]

00:17:22   across the landscape and though there [TS]

00:17:24   was fish they surely you know the credit [TS]

00:17:29   am I getting the reference Christmas [TS]

00:17:30   Island crabs am I getting that right - [TS]

00:17:32   you know zone no I'm talking about your [TS]

00:17:33   I see us yeah you're asking the wrong [TS]

00:17:35   persons person versus people's [TS]

00:17:38   I think people's the word Rams if you [TS]

00:17:40   have never googled Christmas Island [TS]

00:17:42   crabs you need to do that after whatever [TS]

00:17:45   caused the show Google Christmas on [TS]

00:17:46   crabs you should watch the videos and [TS]

00:17:49   look at some of the pictures then come [TS]

00:17:52   back oh my gosh you have to keep doing [TS]

00:17:54   the show oh my god what is that what is [TS]

00:17:58   going on why are they doing this that's [TS]

00:18:00   when the fish comes and that's the [TS]

00:18:04   representation of gigabytes of live [TS]

00:18:06   music of oh my god there's waves and [TS]

00:18:10   waves of these things and see waves is a [TS]

00:18:13   very good song there's like three lyrics [TS]

00:18:15   I'm just just a lot of guitar oh my god [TS]

00:18:17   yeah got your meat stick right here we [TS]

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00:20:06   from Squarespace we got a lot of people [TS]

00:20:15   a lot of a lot a lot of people write in [TS]

00:20:18   with opinions about bicycles who knew [TS]

00:20:20   that so many people who listen this show [TS]

00:20:22   at opinions about bicycles but there are [TS]

00:20:24   a lot of people that do and one of the [TS]

00:20:27   things that was striking to me and I [TS]

00:20:28   wasn't really paying close attention to [TS]

00:20:29   the feedback to this because quite [TS]

00:20:31   frankly I don't care however a ton of [TS]

00:20:34   people a ton of people wrote in to say [TS]

00:20:36   that Eila bikes that's is LA which is [TS]

00:20:40   apparently a UK company so this is [TS]

00:20:42   www.hyken.com [TS]

00:20:53   all right exactly so anyways almost [TS]

00:20:55   unanimously almost everyone who wrote in [TS]

00:20:59   said oh you should get an Iowa bike [TS]

00:21:00   they're the best they're expensive but [TS]

00:21:01   they're the best so I actually took a [TS]

00:21:03   note that when Declan is of age we need [TS]

00:21:06   to look at these I love bikes because [TS]

00:21:07   there was not a single person that said [TS]

00:21:09   oh don't get in Iowa they're overrated [TS]

00:21:11   but no everyone said get them so we'll [TS]

00:21:15   put a link in the show notes to their [TS]

00:21:16   uk-based website and then what is this [TS]

00:21:19   video that I presume John put we did get [TS]

00:21:23   tons of suggestions at first when they [TS]

00:21:24   first started coming in like boy we'll [TS]

00:21:26   have lots of links for the show notes [TS]

00:21:27   I'll put links to all these people's [TS]

00:21:28   recommended bike manufacturers but then [TS]

00:21:30   there were just too many like there were [TS]

00:21:31   just too many things so is buy we just [TS]

00:21:34   won't move the grd rules Iowa bikes got [TS]

00:21:36   the most recommendations second most [TS]

00:21:38   recommendations was whoom bikes wo om [TS]

00:21:41   bikes calm I think they have a us [TS]

00:21:44   location because the URL have here is us [TS]

00:21:46   thought one bikes calm there were a ton [TS]

00:21:48   of other places these are both obscure [TS]

00:21:51   some people are recommending less [TS]

00:21:53   obscure things like REI and specialized [TS]

00:21:55   but a lot of anyway bottom eyes people [TS]

00:21:58   are finding bikes that they find [TS]

00:22:00   satisfying but we'll just put these two [TS]

00:22:02   links in if you're looking for ones that [TS]

00:22:05   the majority of parents and/or bike [TS]

00:22:08   nerds recommending them it was these two [TS]

00:22:10   yeah well and and there were there were [TS]

00:22:12   a ton of bike recommendations for what I [TS]

00:22:15   should get like not just what I should [TS]

00:22:17   get for my son but also what I should [TS]

00:22:18   get I think what I what I'd have decided [TS]

00:22:20   and this is based on not actually riding [TS]

00:22:22   any of these yet what I want is very [TS]

00:22:25   very low maintenance and simplicity so [TS]

00:22:28   there I basically came down to a few [TS]

00:22:30   things that that became things I really [TS]

00:22:32   consider requirements that end up ruling [TS]

00:22:34   out most of what people recommend also [TS]

00:22:36   preferences so you know because I'm like [TS]

00:22:38   do be moved if I'm riding in a beach [TS]

00:22:40   town for instance I wanted like two inch [TS]

00:22:42   tires not the little skinny one-inch [TS]

00:22:44   ones that are better for like going fast [TS]

00:22:45   on roads [TS]

00:22:46   I want big two-inch one so that it's [TS]

00:22:49   more comfortable it's better you know [TS]

00:22:51   better if I like have to go on the edge [TS]

00:22:53   of one of the walks and go into a little [TS]

00:22:55   packed sand for a second I won't [TS]

00:22:56   immediately just like stop and fall over [TS]

00:22:58   like a skinny tire might you know it's [TS]

00:23:00   so like stuff like that so basically my [TS]

00:23:02   list of requirements became I want [TS]

00:23:03   something that could accommodate two [TS]

00:23:05   inch tires with fenders and the big ones [TS]

00:23:08   are I want belt drive instead of a chain [TS]

00:23:11   and I want there to be no God I don't [TS]

00:23:15   know how to pronounce [TS]

00:23:16   do you really order a yearly whatever [TS]

00:23:20   that thing is [TS]

00:23:21   yeah whatever the thing is that moves [TS]

00:23:23   the gears you want you want an internal [TS]

00:23:25   internal geared hubs and a belt drive [TS]

00:23:28   you're so you're so trendy like you've [TS]

00:23:29   never you've never had a bike with any [TS]

00:23:30   one of these things but you already know [TS]

00:23:32   that you want them because somebody told [TS]

00:23:33   you that belt drive is better than a [TS]

00:23:34   chain internal well ok first of all [TS]

00:23:38   because the bike I have here now that [TS]

00:23:41   came in the house in the basement is you [TS]

00:23:43   know a rusty old mountain bike that has [TS]

00:23:45   a derailleur and rusty a chain yeah but [TS]

00:23:47   what but when they work they work fine [TS]

00:23:48   believe me they're fine no it's not no [TS]

00:23:50   it's not fine [TS]

00:23:51   because because now we have better [TS]

00:23:52   things like it was fine when I was a kid [TS]

00:23:54   when I had my mountain bike rounds like [TS]

00:23:56   in high school [TS]

00:23:56   modern bikes would derail as I swear to [TS]

00:23:59   you are absolutely fine there and don't [TS]

00:24:01   use your credit file whatever I didn't I [TS]

00:24:03   haven't used them either I can't say [TS]

00:24:04   that they're bad I'm just saying like I [TS]

00:24:05   don't don't pull them as hard fast [TS]

00:24:07   requirements they're really funny things [TS]

00:24:08   John is that they now have bike CVTs oh [TS]

00:24:11   my god yeah look up NuVinci [TS]

00:24:13   and it's it they have there's a CVT [TS]

00:24:15   that's it's like about this it seem like [TS]

00:24:17   it's about in the same price tier as [TS]

00:24:18   like [TS]

00:24:19   decent like 11 speed internal hub I just [TS]

00:24:21   thought like oh my god if I get a CVT [TS]

00:24:23   John will die like I will never hear the [TS]

00:24:27   end of it you know it'll be well you [TS]

00:24:29   already I mean I was just thinking about [TS]

00:24:30   this the other day both of you are [TS]

00:24:33   slowly slowly fading from the manuals [TS]

00:24:35   Marco doesn't even have anymore Casey [TS]

00:24:37   well I guess you just replaced an on [TS]

00:24:39   manual with an my manual but still [TS]

00:24:40   exactly I'm the only one who's holding [TS]

00:24:42   strong here anyway you take your CVT and [TS]

00:24:44   just pretend it has gears just like the [TS]

00:24:45   software does in most modern cars and [TS]

00:24:47   it's making noises yeah so basically so [TS]

00:24:51   my short list right now I'm still [TS]

00:24:52   looking at various things some of the [TS]

00:24:54   some of the headliners are priority the [TS]

00:24:58   priority company and actually ordered [TS]

00:25:00   our priority coast to have here at the [TS]

00:25:02   beach house for like a general purpose [TS]

00:25:04   bike because we have lots of people here [TS]

00:25:06   TIFF wants to ride one also so I figure [TS]

00:25:08   I'll get this try it out it's belt drive [TS]

00:25:10   fixed gear coaster brake so it's very [TS]

00:25:14   simple it's also fairly affordable it's [TS]

00:25:15   like 400 bucks so I'm getting that to [TS]

00:25:18   try it out at the high end if I get into [TS]

00:25:20   this and I want a nice bike probably for [TS]

00:25:22   home I am very very taken by the button [TS]

00:25:26   it's bicycles or I don't I assume it's [TS]

00:25:28   Browns button it's they're pretty [TS]

00:25:29   expensive but they're very nice and that [TS]

00:25:32   they basically make exactly what I want [TS]

00:25:34   so I'm gonna try to find a showroom and [TS]

00:25:36   try one of those out if I want a nice [TS]

00:25:37   bike for home it's probably a little [TS]

00:25:39   expensive for the beach so for the beach [TS]

00:25:41   I'm looking at priority honorable [TS]

00:25:43   mention for Breezer and Electra everyone [TS]

00:25:47   recommended these two brands and I would [TS]

00:25:50   like to investigate them like to see [TS]

00:25:52   them neither of them really make what I [TS]

00:25:54   want like they don't have all those [TS]

00:25:56   things as a combination but yeah both [TS]

00:25:58   Breezer and Electra look really really [TS]

00:25:59   good also everyone says Trek you know [TS]

00:26:02   there's a reason why Trek is so big and [TS]

00:26:03   well-known I find the amount of branding [TS]

00:26:07   on Trek spikes a little bit garish like [TS]

00:26:10   they like across like the diagonal bar [TS]

00:26:12   and the frame it just has those giant [TS]

00:26:14   letters to say trick like I don't really [TS]

00:26:16   want that like I want something a little [TS]

00:26:18   more low-key and subtle which we get a [TS]

00:26:20   Cannondale yes they do yeah like and [TS]

00:26:24   yeah so like again like wanting a belt [TS]

00:26:27   drive internal gearing 2h tires and [TS]

00:26:30   minimal branding [TS]

00:26:32   that rules out a lot of people suggest [TS]

00:26:36   so I will I will follow up if I if I buy [TS]

00:26:41   anything more I'm gonna do the priority [TS]

00:26:42   for the you know for the next few days [TS]

00:26:44   and then you know whatever it arrives [TS]

00:26:46   try that out and then if I love it [TS]

00:26:49   I'll just use that if I hate it it'll be [TS]

00:26:51   the tif slash spare bike here and I'll [TS]

00:26:53   keep Wow know she wants more question is [TS]

00:26:58   why do you why do you want fenders [TS]

00:27:01   because of the drainage on this island [TS]

00:27:03   is not very good there's often in very [TS]

00:27:05   large puddles I have to drive through so [TS]

00:27:07   I just don't want it to splash back up [TS]

00:27:09   on my back oh and for everybody who's [TS]

00:27:11   sending me the IKEA bike I did look at [TS]

00:27:13   the IKEA slaughter bike it is belt drive [TS]

00:27:16   it has internal two-speed gear it is in [TS]

00:27:20   my opinion one of the most boring [TS]

00:27:22   looking bikes I've ever seen I would [TS]

00:27:24   like a bike to have some visual [TS]

00:27:25   personality it doesn't but not like not [TS]

00:27:27   to scream its brand name and giant [TS]

00:27:29   letters on the frame but to have like [TS]

00:27:31   maybe a color that isn't just black and [TS]

00:27:34   grey like that would be nice you know [TS]

00:27:36   some kind of color is the guy who buys [TS]

00:27:39   black cars my car is bright red mmm this [TS]

00:27:42   one was although you know what though [TS]

00:27:44   this priority beach cruiser bike that I [TS]

00:27:47   ordered it does happen to be white you [TS]

00:27:50   know it's funny Marco that can happen to [TS]

00:27:52   a person from time to time can't it it [TS]

00:27:54   was the only good color funny how that [TS]

00:27:57   is Marco you know it can happen to a [TS]

00:27:59   person from time to time [TS]

00:28:01   can't it that's funny I can't wait to [TS]

00:28:10   see pictures of you flow by on Instagram [TS]

00:28:12   on your delete on your delightful white [TS]

00:28:13   bike it honestly it looks really good in [TS]

00:28:15   white white is not a bad bike color [TS]

00:28:17   it's a terrible car color I think this [TS]

00:28:21   bike looks super dorky which one the [TS]

00:28:23   priority coaster I ordered it does yes [TS]

00:28:26   super dorky this looks like a beach bike [TS]

00:28:28   to me it's a beach bike yes and this [TS]

00:28:31   company makes something they make other [TS]

00:28:32   varieties per these priority bikes they [TS]

00:28:35   make other varieties that are almost [TS]

00:28:36   what I want like the the the continuum [TS]

00:28:40   onyx and the classic Plus Gotham Edition [TS]

00:28:42   like they're almost what I want but they [TS]

00:28:43   only have skinny tires and because [TS]

00:28:46   you know they're made for commuters and [TS]

00:28:47   stuff so that so yeah that's I'm [TS]

00:28:49   probably not gonna do that but I don't [TS]

00:28:51   know anyway so this could be the one [TS]

00:28:54   with us forever but we are in a huge [TS]

00:28:55   hurry because we don't have any time to [TS]

00:28:58   really talk about all these Apple rumors [TS]

00:29:00   cuz I'm sure no one's heard enough about [TS]

00:29:02   the MA there's that too we should we [TS]

00:29:06   should also mention there's one of the [TS]

00:29:07   link in the show notes with regard to [TS]

00:29:08   bikes huffy apparently is being eaten by [TS]

00:29:10   Walmart do you want to explain this John [TS]

00:29:12   this is actually tangential to the [TS]

00:29:16   larger Walmart it's a lot of stories [TS]

00:29:17   about what is ruined by companies [TS]

00:29:19   involved them pivoting to sell to super [TS]

00:29:23   stores because that's where all the [TS]

00:29:25   money is and then having to make [TS]

00:29:26   crappier and crappier things and getting [TS]

00:29:27   squeezed by the super stores that demand [TS]

00:29:29   that you take smaller and smaller profit [TS]

00:29:30   margins and that's this huffy store is [TS]

00:29:33   actually something different it's for [TS]

00:29:34   huffy got into deal with Walmart and [TS]

00:29:35   didn't realize how many bikes they'd [TS]

00:29:37   actually sell through Walmart and they [TS]

00:29:39   couldn't actually manufacture them so [TS]

00:29:41   they they let their competitors [TS]

00:29:42   manufacture them and sell them don't [TS]

00:29:44   make the money from them anyway Walmart [TS]

00:29:46   is bad and we all feel bad but this is [TS]

00:29:51   another bit of feedback from Ryan Ricard [TS]

00:29:54   you said that uh Schwinn and Mongoose [TS]

00:29:56   both pivoted to be bargain-basement crap [TS]

00:29:58   for Walmart and Target you know a lot of [TS]

00:30:01   these companies the name remains kind of [TS]

00:30:03   like atari or commodore like the [TS]

00:30:05   Mongoose name remains but it shares [TS]

00:30:07   nothing with the brand of my youth you [TS]

00:30:10   know everything about it [TS]

00:30:11   the way the bikes are designed what [TS]

00:30:12   they're made of what where they're [TS]

00:30:14   assembled what their target market is [TS]

00:30:16   everything is just you know so yeah [TS]

00:30:19   that's a shame and you can kind of tell [TS]

00:30:20   why he's looking at him but yeah super [TS]

00:30:22   stores yeah and yet another thing super [TS]

00:30:23   stores have tried to ruin bicycles I'm [TS]

00:30:28   sorry John this is what it is John would [TS]

00:30:31   you like to say face on your Christmas [TS]

00:30:33   story line that you tried to quote ATP [TS]

00:30:38   references uh do me the favor of looking [TS]

00:30:40   at it's from IMDB and I always like [TS]

00:30:43   here's what it whenever I look up movie [TS]

00:30:45   quotes a lot because I want to get them [TS]

00:30:46   right it's important for me to get them [TS]

00:30:47   right and to revalidate the correct [TS]

00:30:49   memory because very often I have a lot [TS]

00:30:51   of movie quotes in my head and they [TS]

00:30:53   mutate over time as you repeat them they [TS]

00:30:55   change a little bit and so like 15 years [TS]

00:30:57   and according something you're like [TS]

00:30:58   super duper sure it's one way [TS]

00:30:59   cuz you've said it a thousand times [TS]

00:31:00   right but it's changed like through a [TS]

00:31:03   game of telephone only it's been inside [TS]

00:31:04   your head the whole time right and so [TS]

00:31:06   it's changed inside your head anyway I [TS]

00:31:07   always want to look them up but they [TS]

00:31:09   don't trust in the internet texts of [TS]

00:31:10   someone like oh here's this famous quote [TS]

00:31:13   from this movie because text is not the [TS]

00:31:15   movie you know the map is not the [TS]

00:31:16   territory I need to see the video I need [TS]

00:31:19   to see the clip from the movie and [TS]

00:31:21   obviously that can be doctored too and I [TS]

00:31:23   weep for our children who will be able [TS]

00:31:25   to trust video even less than we do due [TS]

00:31:27   to the easy ability to synthesize video [TS]

00:31:30   sorry kids anyway that's progress for [TS]

00:31:32   you but according to IMDB they up ramble [TS]

00:31:35   aside the line I was trying to quote [TS]

00:31:37   last time from Christmas story is the [TS]

00:31:39   greatest Christmas gift I have ever [TS]

00:31:41   received or ever would receive I think I [TS]

00:31:43   missed the Hat greatest Christmas gift I [TS]

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00:34:02   good news is not a lot happened this [TS]

00:34:04   week no things have happened [TS]

00:34:10   my friends things have happened so let [TS]

00:34:14   me do my best job as chief summarizer in [TS]

00:34:16   chief and kind of do a 50,000 foot [TS]

00:34:18   summary and then we'll dig him to the [TS]

00:34:19   details which inevitably means you too [TS]

00:34:21   will interrupt me and I'm about since [TS]

00:34:23   three and I will never get to complete [TS]

00:34:24   my summary but there was a home pod [TS]

00:34:29   firmware that was posted to the place [TS]

00:34:32   one would expect home pod firmware to be [TS]

00:34:35   do you guys say firmware firmwares I [TS]

00:34:37   would say firmware is the plural you [TS]

00:34:40   would say firmware is like like [TS]

00:34:41   software's well that's why I would say [TS]

00:34:43   growing up but for a fleeting moment [TS]

00:34:45   there I just thought yeah this should it [TS]

00:34:47   be firmwares no it shouldn't be Wayne [TS]

00:34:48   isn't isn't where's how you should have [TS]

00:34:50   your supposed to pronounce W a are easy [TS]

00:34:52   oh yes that is true yeah yeah did you [TS]

00:34:56   ever say it that way in your head [TS]

00:34:57   growing because I always said Juarez and [TS]

00:35:06   Mexico no I definitely said where's in [TS]

00:35:10   my head oh my dad where's to this I was [TS]

00:35:12   gonna say you should cut this but no [TS]

00:35:14   this is worth it now alright so anyway [TS]

00:35:19   so where wherever you would expect the [TS]

00:35:20   home pod firmware singular yet plural to [TS]

00:35:23   be is where they found somebody had [TS]

00:35:26   stumbled across [TS]

00:35:26   upon firmware download and so a couple [TS]

00:35:30   of people seem to grab a grab onto that [TS]

00:35:32   well many people but particularly a [TS]

00:35:34   couple of people seem to grab on this [TS]

00:35:35   and start digging it apart a friend of [TS]

00:35:37   the show can you concentrate we're [TS]

00:35:43   professionals that's seven second ago [TS]

00:35:45   joke kiba all right let's bring it back [TS]

00:35:50   together kids bring it back together so [TS]

00:35:52   two people really dug into this in [TS]

00:35:54   particular and the two people were Steve [TS]

00:35:57   John Smith who is a dear friend of the [TS]

00:35:59   show and gear may Rambo who also did a [TS]

00:36:04   lot of digging on this and so they found [TS]

00:36:07   a lot of interesting stuff and the [TS]

00:36:08   highlights were an image that is for an [TS]

00:36:12   iPhone that is codenamed D 22 that looks [TS]

00:36:15   like the image that we've seen off and [TS]

00:36:18   on of this supposed I phone pro where it [TS]

00:36:20   seems to be an edge to edge screen [TS]

00:36:22   there's like a little notch at the top [TS]

00:36:24   which presumably holds the speaker in [TS]

00:36:26   the FaceTime camera there was some [TS]

00:36:30   information about how apparently there [TS]

00:36:32   will be front-facing IR camera that [TS]

00:36:34   presumably looks to be for face [TS]

00:36:38   detection and a bunch of other stuff too [TS]

00:36:41   but that's kind of the quick quick quick [TS]

00:36:42   summary so how would we like to dig into [TS]

00:36:45   this I'll tell you one way we did not [TS]

00:36:47   want to dig into this is by spring bug [TS]

00:36:50   spray on our legs earlier so I could [TS]

00:36:52   we'd whack all the tick infested grass [TS]

00:36:53   out in front of the house and then [TS]

00:36:55   coming inside doing a podcast with you [TS]

00:36:57   fine gentleman putting my hands on my [TS]

00:36:59   legs and then member my eyes oh that's [TS]

00:37:01   not wise do you need a moment to collect [TS]

00:37:04   yourself it's slowly going away I think [TS]

00:37:07   I might be okay or you might go blind [TS]

00:37:08   soon next time just accept the bug bites [TS]

00:37:11   well there's ticks out there oh I'm [TS]

00:37:16   gonna try not to touch my feet I'm like [TS]

00:37:17   I was just put it on my legs that way I [TS]

00:37:19   won't be a problem for the rest of the [TS]

00:37:20   night like it is when you put it like on [TS]

00:37:21   your whole body because it's like all [TS]

00:37:23   you really need for ticks is to put on [TS]

00:37:24   here on your feet and legs and I found [TS]

00:37:26   one tick on me I'm Laurie island just a [TS]

00:37:28   couple days ago and it was not on my [TS]

00:37:30   legs [TS]

00:37:30   yikes all right [TS]

00:37:32   I don't want to hear the rest of that [TS]

00:37:34   story yeah this sounds super ominous it [TS]

00:37:36   had not bitten me yet it was still [TS]

00:37:37   crawling trying to find a place to bite [TS]

00:37:39   that's good I removed it was prejudice [TS]

00:37:44   all right so what do we think if d-22 so [TS]

00:37:48   I think well here's a couple thing so [TS]

00:37:51   this I don't know if you want to go into [TS]

00:37:53   the leaking things I guess we're going [TS]

00:37:54   to that at the end but the information [TS]

00:37:57   revealed once you leak the home [TS]

00:37:58   platformer people thinking okay so what [TS]

00:38:00   who cares they leak the home plot of fur [TS]

00:38:01   where what the home pods not out yet we [TS]

00:38:03   already know what it is it's a speaker [TS]

00:38:04   tourney thing why why would we get any [TS]

00:38:08   information from that and it's because [TS]

00:38:10   it runs iOS and iOS has a bunch of crap [TS]

00:38:12   in it and normally that crap is removed [TS]

00:38:15   from bills that they release to the [TS]

00:38:16   public even in the betas they remove all [TS]

00:38:18   the stuff that they don't want you to [TS]

00:38:20   see what might they not want you to see [TS]

00:38:22   icons frameworks you know the names of [TS]

00:38:27   symbols programmer e-type stuff and the [TS]

00:38:30   people who pulled down this home plot [TS]

00:38:31   firmware you know extract that stuff [TS]

00:38:34   they look at all the frameworks and look [TS]

00:38:35   at the names of the frameworks and the [TS]

00:38:36   names of the functions and the symbols [TS]

00:38:38   that are in them they look at all of the [TS]

00:38:40   resources for different kinds of icons [TS]

00:38:42   and graphics and and stuff like that it [TS]

00:38:44   appears and dialog boxes and in the UI [TS]

00:38:46   and you can learn a tremendous amount [TS]

00:38:48   without even executing any of this code [TS]

00:38:50   just because it happens to be iOS and [TS]

00:38:52   this bill doesn't help that stuff [TS]

00:38:53   excluded from it so we learned learned [TS]

00:38:56   quote-unquote a lot of interesting [TS]

00:38:58   things just by looking at the framework [TS]

00:39:00   commands and the symbols and this is the [TS]

00:39:01   whole frameworks having to do and you [TS]

00:39:03   know classes and methods having to do [TS]

00:39:04   with things about face recognition and [TS]

00:39:06   recognizing different kinds of faces and [TS]

00:39:08   why would that be in there well we are [TS]

00:39:11   have the rumors are better recognized in [TS]

00:39:12   your face you put two together and you [TS]

00:39:14   say that's probably what that is down to [TS]

00:39:15   the point where you're looking at like [TS]

00:39:16   attributes and classes that say like in [TS]

00:39:19   said and border-radius and stuff that's [TS]

00:39:21   sort of confirming the idea that the [TS]

00:39:23   entire edge to edge screen will be [TS]

00:39:24   addressable with sort of curves around [TS]

00:39:27   the edges you know and classes that [TS]

00:39:30   might indicate how they might handle the [TS]

00:39:33   home button at the bottom of the screen [TS]

00:39:34   and displaying things there and stuff [TS]

00:39:36   like that so it's it's kind of tea leaf [TS]

00:39:38   reading in that we don't have any actual [TS]

00:39:40   leaked hardware for the phone or [TS]

00:39:42   anything like that where we just have is [TS]

00:39:44   a bunch of symbols it functions but if [TS]

00:39:45   you're a program [TS]

00:39:46   and you're familiar with uikit and the [TS]

00:39:48   rest of iOS and just programming in [TS]

00:39:49   general you can kind of piece together a [TS]

00:39:52   surprisingly detailed picture of how [TS]

00:39:56   this new phone might work based on the [TS]

00:39:59   iOS that was released as part of the [TS]

00:40:00   home pod you know home pods OS release [TS]

00:40:03   and so it's kind of a weird kind of a [TS]

00:40:06   weird leak but it just goes to show that [TS]

00:40:09   like anything on the internet you don't [TS]

00:40:11   like it security through obscurity is no [TS]

00:40:15   security at all it never has been but in [TS]

00:40:17   the age of the internet even even less [TS]

00:40:19   so but I was I was fascinated to see the [TS]

00:40:21   slow leak of people pulling out all the [TS]

00:40:23   different details of the OS to the point [TS]

00:40:26   where there was really good blog post by [TS]

00:40:29   Allen pike where he put so it puts it [TS]

00:40:32   all together and says based on [TS]

00:40:32   everything that we've seen here's one [TS]

00:40:34   way that I think the theoretical phone [TS]

00:40:36   might work from a software perspective [TS]

00:40:38   so we've got Hardware rumors and then [TS]

00:40:41   we've got a link of the home pod thing [TS]

00:40:43   and then we from that synthesize this [TS]

00:40:46   entire complete picture of one way that [TS]

00:40:48   the the OS might work now [TS]

00:40:50   it could be entirely wrong it could be [TS]

00:40:51   you know something different than this [TS]

00:40:53   but I was pretty impressed by this to [TS]

00:40:55   say you know just the normal parts leak [TS]

00:40:58   that you get plus a bunch of class dumps [TS]

00:41:01   and icon files and now we have like a [TS]

00:41:05   complete iPhone Pro possible scenario [TS]

00:41:09   supported by all the available leaked [TS]

00:41:12   evidence though I think it actually is [TS]

00:41:13   pretty cool if they don't do this I hope [TS]

00:41:15   they do something just as cool because I [TS]

00:41:16   read this thing I'm like that a makes [TS]

00:41:19   sense B fits with everything that we've [TS]

00:41:21   been leaked and C is pretty neat yeah I [TS]

00:41:24   completely agree yeah I mean like this [TS]

00:41:26   it does like I I'm not a fan of the idea [TS]

00:41:29   of this weird cutout into the screen [TS]

00:41:33   with the cameras and everything like I [TS]

00:41:34   don't I don't like that it seems like a [TS]

00:41:36   weird hack but if they're going to do it [TS]

00:41:40   this looks like a really cool way to do [TS]

00:41:42   it like with the the whole idea of [TS]

00:41:43   having a split status bar such that [TS]

00:41:46   basically you it's almost as if the [TS]

00:41:49   screens not cut out it's almost like if [TS]

00:41:51   applications don't really have access to [TS]

00:41:53   that area or if you only get it in [TS]

00:41:55   things like over scroll areas [TS]

00:41:59   navigation bars and stuff like that then [TS]

00:42:02   it's still weird but it's a clever it's [TS]

00:42:06   a clever hack it's a good question about [TS]

00:42:09   things like where the clock goes and [TS]

00:42:11   what about a stuff that won't fit in the [TS]

00:42:13   cutouts like there's a lot in the status [TS]

00:42:15   bar these days things like not having as [TS]

00:42:18   much on Android though well that's true [TS]

00:42:20   yeah I was just about to say the same [TS]

00:42:22   thing oh my goodness looking at my [TS]

00:42:24   co-workers Android phone Android phones [TS]

00:42:26   that have just a mountain of icons up [TS]

00:42:30   there a new Android phone that I just [TS]

00:42:33   saw like at fresh out of the box no [TS]

00:42:35   weird stuff on the Samsung Android phone [TS]

00:42:37   100 icons in the status bar I may be [TS]

00:42:39   overestimating but only slightly it's so [TS]

00:42:41   true it's like a ticker-tape of icons [TS]

00:42:43   and I think it's I think it's bad it's [TS]

00:42:46   like a Mac user you've ever seen in your [TS]

00:42:47   officers 100 icons of the menu bar Casey [TS]

00:42:49   oh no I have fewer than most thank you [TS]

00:42:52   very much you just start heating on the [TS]

00:42:54   ISTEP menus that I have up there but no [TS]

00:42:56   I like the the fact if you have to [TS]

00:42:59   install bartender which I'm sure is a [TS]

00:43:00   very great app if you have to install [TS]

00:43:02   bartender you have bigger problems my [TS]

00:43:04   friend then then just moving some of [TS]

00:43:06   them out of your menu bar like you [TS]

00:43:08   should just get them out into Oh God I'd [TS]

00:43:11   hate apps that for some any bar icon of [TS]

00:43:13   Trajan Hana's oh so actually I've [TS]

00:43:16   derailed myself looking at the topless [TS]

00:43:17   notes I mean look looking at the symbols [TS]

00:43:21   and everything and having face [TS]

00:43:22   recognition symbols like that is not a [TS]

00:43:24   big a slam-dunk as people think if we [TS]

00:43:26   didn't already have the face recognition [TS]

00:43:27   rumor there's all sorts of weird symbols [TS]

00:43:29   on there and maybe wouldn't ship maybe [TS]

00:43:30   it's not ready like we didn't see we [TS]

00:43:32   didn't see the internal builds of iOS 10 [TS]

00:43:34   for all we know these symbols could have [TS]

00:43:35   been in there in iOS 10 they just didn't [TS]

00:43:36   make the cut you know or something like [TS]

00:43:37   that or whatever right but we have all [TS]

00:43:39   those other rumors about being face [TS]

00:43:40   recognition so this you know but it all [TS]

00:43:42   adds up right the other part of this [TS]

00:43:43   though is all the rumors about that a [TS]

00:43:46   little unibrow thing a little notch to [TS]

00:43:48   the cut I mean we talked we saw a little [TS]

00:43:49   notch thing I think we talked about it [TS]

00:43:51   when we're talking about touch ID being [TS]

00:43:52   on the back and how they're gonna do a [TS]

00:43:54   screen thing edge to edge and what they [TS]

00:43:55   can and can embed in the screen and [TS]

00:43:57   apparently they can embed like the [TS]

00:43:58   cameras and if there's gonna be an IR [TS]

00:44:00   sensor and the speaker and blah blah so [TS]

00:44:01   this is not CH I think one of you may be [TS]

00:44:03   Marco thought it was the not just [TS]

00:44:05   doesn't seem like an apple thing to do [TS]

00:44:06   way back when when we talked about it [TS]

00:44:07   you know it's not elegant like you just [TS]

00:44:09   said before like the notch seems weird [TS]

00:44:10   doesn't it like it wouldn't it be great [TS]

00:44:11   if the whole thing was [TS]

00:44:12   it would be oh but we can't quite pull [TS]

00:44:14   it off so what can we do well we'll do [TS]

00:44:17   the best we can and leave this little [TS]

00:44:19   notch right and that's always been the [TS]

00:44:21   question though Apple wouldn't do it [TS]

00:44:22   unless they could do the whole screen [TS]

00:44:23   they're not gonna do a little notch [TS]

00:44:24   thing kind of like people saying apples [TS]

00:44:25   not going to put a camera that causes a [TS]

00:44:27   bulge but they totally did because it's [TS]

00:44:30   more worth it to have a really good [TS]

00:44:31   camera than to make the back of a smooth [TS]

00:44:33   so camera bulge here to stay and so in [TS]

00:44:36   the home pod firmware at leak there is [TS]

00:44:38   an icon for d-22 that is just it's not a [TS]

00:44:41   picture of the new iPhone it is it's an [TS]

00:44:43   icon like a little vector drawing or [TS]

00:44:44   whatever other thing but it has to look [TS]

00:44:46   like carnac that's let you know by [TS]

00:44:48   looking at this little icon this is the [TS]

00:44:49   phone we're talking about so if just [TS]

00:44:52   basically like a rounded rectangle I [TS]

00:44:53   imagine for the seven and seven plus [TS]

00:44:55   sizes right but this one has the notch [TS]

00:44:57   in it and it's the only thing in it it [TS]

00:44:59   is a rounded rectangle and the only [TS]

00:45:00   distinguishing characteristic Oh than [TS]

00:45:02   the width and height and the border [TS]

00:45:03   radius is the knotch [TS]

00:45:05   and so this is a pretty hard [TS]

00:45:08   confirmation of that notch because [TS]

00:45:09   they're not waffling about whether it's [TS]

00:45:10   give me a notch at this point there's no [TS]

00:45:11   this this icon is in there and it [TS]

00:45:14   doesn't seem like they would have this [TS]

00:45:15   thing and the codename d-22 is right on [TS]

00:45:18   what you expect it to be so this thing's [TS]

00:45:19   gonna have a notch and that's weird [TS]

00:45:21   and that's it's like the camera bump but [TS]

00:45:23   even worse it's not as bad as touch ID [TS]

00:45:25   on the back but it is a weird thing to [TS]

00:45:27   do and so you know Apple rumors are that [TS]

00:45:31   this this all screen OLED phone has been [TS]

00:45:34   in the works for a long time and not [TS]

00:45:35   them say it's behind schedule but I bet [TS]

00:45:37   Apple would have loved to ship it last [TS]

00:45:38   year but they couldn't it wasn't ready [TS]

00:45:39   it now it's ready they're going with the [TS]

00:45:40   notch so for me from this leak the most [TS]

00:45:44   important thing about it is notches it [TS]

00:45:46   go get ready get ready for not you're [TS]

00:45:48   ready to love the notch get ready to [TS]

00:45:49   deal with the notch get ready to fix [TS]

00:45:52   your application that gets screwed up [TS]

00:45:53   when the notches they're also on a press [TS]

00:45:56   conversation about hey they change the [TS]

00:45:57   dots to be bars you think they did that [TS]

00:45:59   to get make room for the notch I think [TS]

00:46:00   and it was like wow maybe but we didn't [TS]

00:46:03   know if this is gonna be a notch well [TS]

00:46:04   it's gonna be a notch so no more dots [TS]

00:46:06   back to bars makes perfect sense I think [TS]

00:46:08   what I like about this leak though is [TS]

00:46:10   that it gives us enough to be really [TS]

00:46:13   interested in this but there's still so [TS]

00:46:16   much that we don't know that we're only [TS]

00:46:18   going to know once we see the software [TS]

00:46:20   running on this phone but we're probably [TS]

00:46:22   we're almost certainly not going to see [TS]

00:46:24   before the event so like even though [TS]

00:46:26   like leading up to this we we had the [TS]

00:46:28   idea of a lot of the major themes of [TS]

00:46:31   this device leading up you know for [TS]

00:46:33   almost the last year in all the rumors [TS]

00:46:35   and everything but we didn't know many [TS]

00:46:38   specifics and most of the most of the [TS]

00:46:39   things we that we'd see like leaked or [TS]

00:46:41   rumored or talked about here and there [TS]

00:46:43   would be very vague and very unsure of [TS]

00:46:46   themselves and oftentimes conflicting [TS]

00:46:48   and so now even though this is now like [TS]

00:46:52   pretty strong evidence of it being a [TS]

00:46:55   certain way and so some of that surprise [TS]

00:46:57   is now kind of spoiled what we have now [TS]

00:47:00   learned you know and again it's not like [TS]

00:47:02   knowledge it's not it isn't the fact it [TS]

00:47:05   isn't a guarantee it's just very strong [TS]

00:47:07   evidence in a certain direction [TS]

00:47:09   but what this you know nearly confirms [TS]

00:47:12   is not something that we is was totally [TS]

00:47:17   unknown to us like there were rumors of [TS]

00:47:19   all these things there were rumors of [TS]

00:47:21   the notch there rumors of the face [TS]

00:47:24   detection type stuff and depth cameras [TS]

00:47:27   and everything like all that stuff what [TS]

00:47:28   was rumored for months and that and that [TS]

00:47:30   was already becoming the dominant [TS]

00:47:32   narrative of the rumors that was [TS]

00:47:34   becoming like where most of them were [TS]

00:47:35   were kind of coalescing and gathering so [TS]

00:47:38   it didn't actually spoil much surprise [TS]

00:47:42   it just kind of like says all right this [TS]

00:47:45   group of the rumors which was already [TS]

00:47:47   the predominant ones this is probably on [TS]

00:47:50   the right path but there's still so many [TS]

00:47:53   questions that it's still very [TS]

00:47:54   interesting to us and most of those [TS]

00:47:56   questions are not going to be answered [TS]

00:47:58   until the event they added some [TS]

00:48:00   information to like again with the [TS]

00:48:02   symbol dumps stuff that we wouldn't have [TS]

00:48:04   known normally until the keynote because [TS]

00:48:05   is software based right so there's a [TS]

00:48:07   bunch of symbols having to do with [TS]

00:48:08   apparently the camera detecting what it [TS]

00:48:12   is you're taking a picture up you're [TS]

00:48:13   taking a picture of person is it a plant [TS]

00:48:14   it is a son is it a sunset is it you [TS]

00:48:16   know whatever it might be [TS]

00:48:18   most modern regular cameras have [TS]

00:48:21   something oh I can tell it's portrait [TS]

00:48:22   versus landscape as I do simple face [TS]

00:48:23   detection but this was way more detail [TS]

00:48:25   my friend a link to put all things but [TS]

00:48:27   it was like figuring out in a fairly [TS]

00:48:29   detailed manner what it is you're [TS]

00:48:31   looking at and what we'll do with that [TS]

00:48:32   information besides putting the word hot [TS]

00:48:34   dog or not hot dog on the screen like [TS]

00:48:36   presumably you can adjust the camera [TS]

00:48:38   based on what it's looking at I get that [TS]

00:48:40   good [TS]

00:48:40   it could metadata tag them or something [TS]

00:48:43   I mean who knows but like those symbols [TS]

00:48:46   are in there for you know and there's [TS]

00:48:47   all sorts of other stuff about face [TS]

00:48:50   detection or we assume that face [TS]

00:48:51   detection where is that the face is half [TS]

00:48:53   covered the face is smiling or frowning [TS]

00:48:55   or like all tons of symbols that only [TS]

00:48:59   make sense if if this phone with these [TS]

00:49:01   set of sensors on it can figure out way [TS]

00:49:03   more about what it's looking at whether [TS]

00:49:04   it's looking at it to take a picture or [TS]

00:49:06   looking at it to unlock your phone or [TS]

00:49:07   whatever all these symbols indicate that [TS]

00:49:09   there surely features somewhere in iOS [TS]

00:49:12   11 running on this phone that are based [TS]

00:49:15   on the camera having a much richer [TS]

00:49:17   awareness of what's going on around it [TS]

00:49:19   also including like presence detection [TS]

00:49:20   are you in front of the phone or [TS]

00:49:21   whatever so that I think added [TS]

00:49:23   information none of that stuff had been [TS]

00:49:24   rumored like wow you know we the rumors [TS]

00:49:26   that oh it's gonna have camera and a [TS]

00:49:28   notch and an IR sensor and face [TS]

00:49:29   detection unlocking that's all the stuff [TS]

00:49:31   that would leak but but the key note [TS]

00:49:32   would be like oh and also now that we [TS]

00:49:34   have all those sensors you know we can [TS]

00:49:36   do we can know when you take a picture [TS]

00:49:38   of a dog and tag it with dog and make [TS]

00:49:42   this the smart search easier when you [TS]

00:49:44   search for dog even if you took a [TS]

00:49:45   picture of the tip of the dog's tail we [TS]

00:49:47   you know we figured that out and like I [TS]

00:49:49   don't like features like that are things [TS]

00:49:51   normally we don't get to see until the [TS]

00:49:52   day up so I think this is one of the [TS]

00:49:54   biggest software leaks that has ever [TS]

00:49:56   happened to Apple because I think it [TS]

00:49:59   reveals potentially so much about stuff [TS]

00:50:02   that they're gonna demo that they just [TS]

00:50:03   assumed no one would know about because [TS]

00:50:04   in general the software doesn't leak [TS]

00:50:06   this I mean this is this is legal stuff [TS]

00:50:09   this is a pretty big leak in terms of [TS]

00:50:11   just oops [TS]

00:50:13   like we didn't mean to put this build [TS]

00:50:15   there by the way people wondering why [TS]

00:50:17   why is this build accessible at all home [TS]

00:50:20   pods have been testing on Apple [TS]

00:50:21   employees and other people who were in [TS]

00:50:23   the know have been testing home pods for [TS]

00:50:25   a long time and they have a feed for [TS]

00:50:27   software updates but that is a fee that [TS]

00:50:28   is not accessible to the general public [TS]

00:50:30   is only accessible to Apple employees [TS]

00:50:32   right someone made a mistake and took [TS]

00:50:35   the firmware that's supposed to go in [TS]

00:50:36   that feed it's only accessible to Apple [TS]

00:50:38   employees and put it on the public [TS]

00:50:39   facing one and that is a pretty big [TS]

00:50:42   mistake like it's kind of like taking [TS]

00:50:43   you know I don't know like iOS 11 before [TS]

00:50:48   any of the betas came out and putting it [TS]

00:50:49   on a publicly accessible URL on the [TS]

00:50:51   Internet and again it's security through [TS]

00:50:53   obscurity it's like what [TS]

00:50:55   you put something on a URL it's [TS]

00:50:56   accessible Internet as long as no one [TS]

00:50:58   knows the URL it's like people are [TS]

00:50:59   randomly typing in URLs to guess where [TS]

00:51:01   your thing might be that's exactly what [TS]

00:51:03   they're doing and that you are always [TS]

00:51:04   guessable because you just replace the [TS]

00:51:06   word TV with the word audio in an [TS]

00:51:08   existing URL for the TV OS updates and [TS]

00:51:10   guess what you got this and somebody had [TS]

00:51:14   a really bad day at Apple and I feel bad [TS]

00:51:15   because you know it's you're human you [TS]

00:51:18   make mistakes it just goes to show all [TS]

00:51:19   the security and all these billions of [TS]

00:51:21   dollars they spend you know it's not I [TS]

00:51:24   don't think there's some malicious just [TS]

00:51:25   someone someone made a mistake we don't [TS]

00:51:28   like a snake sometimes you leave a phone [TS]

00:51:29   in a bar sometimes sometimes you upload [TS]

00:51:31   the the unredacted version of the new [TS]

00:51:36   iOS that includes all the secret symbols [TS]

00:51:38   for your new super secret phone onto a [TS]

00:51:40   public URL and so I feel I feel kind of [TS]

00:51:43   bad but I'm also kind of excited about [TS]

00:51:44   exactly how much we were able to mine [TS]

00:51:46   out of this and like Margot said and [TS]

00:51:48   still and still we're not sure still we [TS]

00:51:50   have to wait for the keynote to see [TS]

00:51:52   which things are which it's a it's a [TS]

00:51:54   little bit of spoiling Christmas morning [TS]

00:51:56   to know how you know because I can [TS]

00:51:57   extrapolate so many things that could [TS]

00:51:58   possibly be there and the keynote will [TS]

00:52:00   just be a narrowing but still pretty [TS]

00:52:02   exciting do you um I don't have the link [TS]

00:52:05   handy but there maybe it was now ins I [TS]

00:52:07   don't think it was though but anyways [TS]

00:52:09   there was someone who was critiquing no [TS]

00:52:11   was a different UI designer critiquing [TS]

00:52:13   what do you do with the knotch and [TS]

00:52:15   there's like one of the approaches he [TS]

00:52:18   approaches is you pretend the notch [TS]

00:52:20   isn't really there and one of the [TS]

00:52:21   approaches is you embrace the knotch and [TS]

00:52:23   I think it was Steve trout and Smith [TS]

00:52:25   that was saying oh I say embrace the [TS]

00:52:27   notch you know make it visible make it [TS]

00:52:28   plain but from what I see on like for [TS]

00:52:31   example Alan's post where it's just a [TS]

00:52:35   big black bar and presumably this is [TS]

00:52:36   OLED so it would just kind of all blend [TS]

00:52:38   in and there would just be this big gap [TS]

00:52:40   in the center of the black bar but you [TS]

00:52:42   wouldn't necessarily be able to tell [TS]

00:52:44   very well what was there I think I like [TS]

00:52:46   that at a glance more than this like [TS]

00:52:49   embrace the notch make it white to the [TS]

00:52:50   left and the right of the knotch what do [TS]

00:52:53   you guys think about that let's start [TS]

00:52:54   with Marco totally with you [TS]

00:52:56   I think the design that makes the parts [TS]

00:52:59   left and right of the not just black it [TS]

00:53:01   makes it look like a big status bar that [TS]

00:53:03   and to me is by far the best-looking [TS]

00:53:06   option here [TS]

00:53:07   and that is the one matter I think they [TS]

00:53:09   should and hopefully will do but there [TS]

00:53:13   is there is a risk I don't know if it's [TS]

00:53:14   a big risk there's a risk that the [TS]

00:53:18   desire to have these like over these [TS]

00:53:21   like overflow areas these over scroll [TS]

00:53:23   areas in the UI some wonder how like you [TS]

00:53:25   know when I was seven ever since I was [TS]

00:53:26   seven you've had like if you have like a [TS]

00:53:28   navigation bar or a tool bar in an [TS]

00:53:30   interface you could you have like the [TS]

00:53:32   blurred version of the scroll view in [TS]

00:53:34   the middle kind of under hanging though [TS]

00:53:37   like the top and bottom like it kind of [TS]

00:53:39   overflowed in those areas as you scroll [TS]

00:53:41   I can see maybe the Apple UI designers [TS]

00:53:44   wanting to do more of that with this [TS]

00:53:46   newfound screen real estate and to have [TS]

00:53:47   the to have these new areas both the [TS]

00:53:51   little tabs next to the status bar and [TS]

00:53:53   also the new like presumed home button [TS]

00:53:56   area at the bottom I could see those [TS]

00:53:59   becoming just over scroll areas but I [TS]

00:54:02   hope they don't do that I hope if [TS]

00:54:04   anything if they want to do that just [TS]

00:54:06   make at the bottom one and not little [TS]

00:54:08   tabs on top because having this big like [TS]

00:54:11   you know file card shaped UI I think [TS]

00:54:14   looks weird I don't like having those [TS]

00:54:16   two tabs at the top be visibly like [TS]

00:54:19   light-colored UI I think it should just [TS]

00:54:22   look like a big status bar and you [TS]

00:54:24   shouldn't even really really really [TS]

00:54:26   think about the notch most of the time I [TS]

00:54:28   agree so as I think it was Steve drought [TS]

00:54:30   and Smith pointed this out but I think [TS]

00:54:32   as well the thing that we extracted we [TS]

00:54:36   the thing that has been extracted by an [TS]

00:54:39   industrious hackers from the firmware is [TS]

00:54:41   an icon of the phone and it's supposed [TS]

00:54:43   to be identifiable so you look at that [TS]

00:54:45   you know oh they're talking about [TS]

00:54:46   whatever the iPhone Pro or the iPhone 8 [TS]

00:54:48   or wherever this thing's gonna be called [TS]

00:54:49   so it needs to be a recognizable symbol [TS]

00:54:52   at small sizes and the only [TS]

00:54:54   distinguishing feature of that icon is [TS]

00:54:56   the knotch [TS]

00:54:57   so for in order to be able to look at [TS]

00:54:59   that and say oh that means my phone [TS]

00:55:01   which is the purpose of the icon that [TS]

00:55:03   knotch has to be a distinguishing [TS]

00:55:05   visible cat or visual characteristics of [TS]

00:55:07   the phone as far as the users are [TS]

00:55:09   concerned otherwise that icon is not [TS]

00:55:10   useful for identifying it so that could [TS]

00:55:12   be as simple as okay well it works [TS]

00:55:15   exactly like you guys were just [TS]

00:55:16   describing when you use it like it we [TS]

00:55:18   pretend it's not there and just like the [TS]

00:55:19   status bar but the lockscreen [TS]

00:55:21   for example when we show your big [TS]

00:55:22   lockscreen picture that shows with the [TS]

00:55:24   notch all the time because that would [TS]

00:55:26   make you know that's your first [TS]

00:55:27   experience of turning on the phone you [TS]

00:55:29   know we're seeing the lock screen or [TS]

00:55:30   whatever that oh it's got a notch right [TS]

00:55:32   if the knotch goes away when you launch [TS]

00:55:33   apps you still recognize it as the phone [TS]

00:55:36   with the notch because that's what you [TS]

00:55:37   see when you first turn it on but I [TS]

00:55:39   think at the very least Apple is [TS]

00:55:41   embracing the notch to the degree to the [TS]

00:55:45   degree that this icon is representative [TS]

00:55:47   it doesn't mean you're gonna see it the [TS]

00:55:48   whole time you're using it inside [TS]

00:55:49   applications but it does mean that [TS]

00:55:52   they're embracing it somewhere probably [TS]

00:55:54   in the lock screen maybe also in [TS]

00:55:56   springboard maybe also I mean I'm trying [TS]

00:56:00   to think of you know if developers [TS]

00:56:02   wanted to could they addressed it in [TS]

00:56:04   show video and the knotch [TS]

00:56:05   like overflow video bleeped like who [TS]

00:56:07   knows how far it availables would be [TS]

00:56:09   able to go but it seems clear to me that [TS]

00:56:10   Apple in the same way they essentially [TS]

00:56:13   embrace the camera by saying we're not [TS]

00:56:15   hiding it it's there it's a camera bump [TS]

00:56:16   look at it there's gonna be a notch and [TS]

00:56:18   I think there has to be at least some [TS]

00:56:20   context where the notch is absolutely [TS]

00:56:22   visible and distinguished and a [TS]

00:56:24   distinguishing characteristic to people [TS]

00:56:26   I also would prefer like both of you [TS]

00:56:29   alright fine I see the notch I get your [TS]

00:56:31   branding I can identify my phone but [TS]

00:56:33   once I'm using the application don't you [TS]

00:56:36   know I know I don't need it doesn't need [TS]

00:56:37   to be emphasized you can make it [TS]

00:56:39   disappear with a nice status bar [TS]

00:56:40   hopefully that's up to developers if [TS]

00:56:42   developers want to do something fancy [TS]

00:56:43   with the notch maybe they can and the [TS]

00:56:44   same way you can mess with the status [TS]

00:56:46   bar in weird ways to varying degrees and [TS]

00:56:48   although I couldn't change the color of [TS]

00:56:49   the status bar to anything you wanted [TS]

00:56:51   back in the old days and they kind of [TS]

00:56:52   clamped down on that no you could never [TS]

00:56:54   you could have it be like white or black [TS]

00:56:56   but you could never have it be arbitrary [TS]

00:56:57   colors you could have a translucent one [TS]

00:57:00   and kind of put like a window behind it [TS]

00:57:03   you know to make it kind of fake to kind [TS]

00:57:05   of fake it but I don't know of any apps [TS]

00:57:07   that really ever did that with any [TS]

00:57:09   success yeah and I actually you know [TS]

00:57:12   either way they go with this I think the [TS]

00:57:14   bottom part of the screen is actually [TS]

00:57:15   more interesting that gets into what [TS]

00:57:16   Allen Pike was talking about so the top [TS]

00:57:18   line we assume it's a status bar and [TS]

00:57:20   there's some interesting things you can [TS]

00:57:22   do by you know getting you know going [TS]

00:57:25   bleeding the pixels up higher on the [TS]

00:57:27   screen because this it's almost edge to [TS]

00:57:28   edge especially if you incorporate [TS]

00:57:29   dodging to the status bar but the action [TS]

00:57:32   happens down at the bottom where all of [TS]

00:57:33   a sudden you've got all the screen [TS]

00:57:34   where there used to be a hardware home [TS]

00:57:35   button and of course you can draw a [TS]

00:57:37   software home button there but you've [TS]

00:57:38   got all this other space where you can [TS]

00:57:39   draw things to what might you use that [TS]

00:57:40   for and one of Allen Pike suggestions [TS]

00:57:42   take your UI navbar wherever that class [TS]

00:57:45   is called [TS]

00:57:45   and take the current awkward arrangement [TS]

00:57:48   with lots of white space and take those [TS]

00:57:51   navigation controls like done or edit or [TS]

00:57:53   whatever those little words that are up [TS]

00:57:54   in the corner that are hard to reach in [TS]

00:57:55   your big phone and shove them down next [TS]

00:57:57   to the home button because now that's [TS]

00:58:00   all a screen and it's actually easier to [TS]

00:58:01   reach there's been a lot of articles [TS]

00:58:02   recently about how it's easier to reach [TS]

00:58:04   the bottom of your really big phone with [TS]

00:58:06   your thumb the top of the really big [TS]

00:58:07   phone so bottom navigation becomes more [TS]

00:58:10   preferable than it was back in the days [TS]

00:58:12   of the original iPhone size or even the [TS]

00:58:14   5 size and it makes a lot of sense like [TS]

00:58:17   whether they do that or not you look up [TS]

00:58:19   and you go oh ok well that would work [TS]

00:58:21   and it would make sense based on the [TS]

00:58:24   design we currently see in iOS 11 betas [TS]

00:58:27   but maybe they won't do that maybe what [TS]

00:58:30   can you do with the bottom you've got a [TS]

00:58:31   lot of pixels down there apples is [TS]

00:58:33   surely gonna reserve some of them for OS [TS]

00:58:35   related functions in in the sort of the [TS]

00:58:38   default case where you don't want to go [TS]

00:58:39   you know a full bleed video or whatever [TS]

00:58:42   you could do interesting stuff down [TS]

00:58:44   there instead of just showing a circle [TS]

00:58:46   where you put your thumb presumably to [TS]

00:58:48   use touch ID sensor that's [TS]

00:58:49   may or may not be buried under the [TS]

00:58:51   screen yeah it's funny because I feel [TS]

00:58:55   like we have learned a lot in this leak [TS]

00:58:59   but I think you guys are right that I [TS]

00:59:02   don't know that we've learned all that [TS]

00:59:05   much but we've more gotten some soft [TS]

00:59:08   confirmation of a lot of the things that [TS]

00:59:10   were already suspected and though I [TS]

00:59:12   still think this is the second biggest [TS]

00:59:14   leak that I've ever witnessed as [TS]

00:59:16   compared to the what was at the iPhone 4 [TS]

00:59:19   that was found in the bar yep so I think [TS]

00:59:22   that still takes the cake for the [TS]

00:59:23   biggest leak but man this is a close [TS]

00:59:26   second and and it's fascinating like I [TS]

00:59:29   feel kind of bad for the Apple [TS]

00:59:32   developers like the developers within [TS]

00:59:34   Apple that have been working on this [TS]

00:59:35   stuff and have been really sweating this [TS]

00:59:38   and and we're hoping for the big splash [TS]

00:59:40   surprise like that article was I think [TS]

00:59:41   was that article that float floated [TS]

00:59:43   around a like a month ago that talked [TS]

00:59:45   about this but any or but or maybe was [TS]

00:59:47   on the talk show live [TS]

00:59:48   what was it doesn't matter somewhere [TS]

00:59:49   they were saying you know really it's [TS]

00:59:50   it's a bummer for the employees when [TS]

00:59:51   something leaks the other employees and [TS]

00:59:53   that kind of stinks but I do think it is [TS]

00:59:56   fascinating and super cool how you know [TS]

00:59:59   a couple of [TS]

00:59:59   a couple of [TS]

01:00:00   developers in particular have been able [TS]

01:00:02   to kind of figure out all of this stuff [TS]

01:00:05   just by going spelunking into the [TS]

01:00:06   firmware and I should have expected [TS]

01:00:09   something like this from a man with the [TS]

01:00:10   surname of Rambo I mean this is how it [TS]

01:00:12   this is how the Rambo's work right [TS]

01:00:14   that's what we learned from the movies [TS]

01:00:17   before and I just got from the firmware [TS]

01:00:19   but like it's interesting to me that [TS]

01:00:20   with home pod we reverted to the old [TS]

01:00:22   nomenclature is back on the original [TS]

01:00:24   iPhone the iPhone came with firmware [TS]

01:00:26   because the phone phones don't run OS is [TS]

01:00:28   silly its firmware right I'm obviously [TS]

01:00:31   that's before you know it was called [TS]

01:00:33   iPhone OS after that I believe and then [TS]

01:00:36   it switched to iOS right but now on the [TS]

01:00:39   home pod because it's so we'll see and [TS]

01:00:40   doesn't have a screen even though [TS]

01:00:42   they've extracted a screen resolution as [TS]

01:00:45   far as iOS is concerned a very small [TS]

01:00:46   screen resolution and potentially an [TS]

01:00:48   humble number of addressable LEDs blah [TS]

01:00:50   blah blah anyway now it's back to [TS]

01:00:52   firmware it's like it's called you know [TS]

01:00:55   the reason I got this in the URLs they [TS]

01:00:57   change TV OS to audio uh so if you want [TS]

01:00:59   to give it a name TV OS runs on Apple TV [TS]

01:01:01   I owe s runs on you know iPhones and [TS]

01:01:04   iPods and iPads and audio us runs on the [TS]

01:01:09   home pod but we don't call it audio as [TS]

01:01:12   it's still it's stuck in from I guess [TS]

01:01:13   you got a starting firmware and work [TS]

01:01:15   your way up do we start referring you to [TS]

01:01:16   your actual OS update yeah that's a [TS]

01:01:21   little bit weird I guess I want to make [TS]

01:01:22   it seem like an embedded things also in [TS]

01:01:25   case you were wondering about the Amazon [TS]

01:01:29   echo show and the potential we discussed [TS]

01:01:32   many times of Apple's home thing that [TS]

01:01:35   sits in your home having a screen on it [TS]

01:01:37   naming the thing audio s obviously [TS]

01:01:40   doesn't nothing because you can rename [TS]

01:01:41   or whatever you want they renamed their [TS]

01:01:42   rests all the time but it's a pretty [TS]

01:01:44   strong stake in the ground of this [TS]

01:01:45   product or this product we already know [TS]

01:01:47   but like in case you're wondering do [TS]

01:01:48   they expect the operating system to do a [TS]

01:01:50   lot of displaying of pictures no it's [TS]

01:01:52   called audio OS like whether or not it [TS]

01:01:56   has a screen that can show weird symbols [TS]

01:01:57   or an addressable grid of LEDs under a [TS]

01:02:00   diffuser or whatever the OS is all about [TS]

01:02:02   audio any other thoughts about all this [TS]

01:02:05   not really sure there's stuff that I [TS]

01:02:08   forgot to put in the notes but there was [TS]

01:02:09   there was so much so much stuff that was [TS]

01:02:11   leaked and so many people digging and [TS]

01:02:13   this that I couldn't even keep up with [TS]

01:02:15   it yeah I feel like this should be like [TS]

01:02:17   a four hour conversation for us but I [TS]

01:02:19   really feel like we've we've kind of [TS]

01:02:21   touched on all of it so well and also [TS]

01:02:23   like I mean as Parker said before [TS]

01:02:25   everything that's in this leak have been [TS]

01:02:27   discussed before with the exception of a [TS]

01:02:29   few additional symbols that lean towards [TS]

01:02:31   features that hadn't been you know that [TS]

01:02:32   could have been imagined but that hadn't [TS]

01:02:34   been thought about you know like the [TS]

01:02:35   camera understanding was taking a [TS]

01:02:36   picture of and adjusting things but you [TS]

01:02:37   can extrapolate that from the sensors [TS]

01:02:39   and it shows how imagination plus the [TS]

01:02:43   usual hardware supply chain leaks can [TS]

01:02:46   get us most of the way there anyway [TS]

01:02:48   OLED we've known forever screen [TS]

01:02:50   edge-to-edge we've also known forever [TS]

01:02:52   face detection was a big leak and then [TS]

01:02:56   IR a sensor isn't like that how to [TS]

01:02:58   support it touch a D in the screen [TS]

01:03:00   versus the back is still up in the air [TS]

01:03:02   nothing in this it goes one way or the [TS]

01:03:04   other I think and then the home pod leak [TS]

01:03:06   would just nail all that dying for us [TS]

01:03:08   but we were already talking about all [TS]

01:03:09   those things like I feel bad for the [TS]

01:03:11   employees blah blah blah well if this [TS]

01:03:13   leak could not happen [TS]

01:03:14   we'd all be watching that keynote saying [TS]

01:03:15   I can't wait to see the OLED phone that [TS]

01:03:17   does face recognition with the next ice [TS]

01:03:18   cream potentially with a notch in it [TS]

01:03:21   like we were already there it's just you [TS]

01:03:22   know it's just confirming stuff we're [TS]

01:03:24   you know so you know it's it continues [TS]

01:03:27   to be hard for Apple to be secretive [TS]

01:03:28   about something that it's going to build [TS]

01:03:30   literally millions of like months ahead [TS]

01:03:33   of time like someone's gonna build them [TS]

01:03:34   human beings are gonna build them and [TS]

01:03:36   this information has value to many [TS]

01:03:39   different parties the least of which is [TS]

01:03:40   a bunch of Apple in there it's like as [TS]

01:03:42   values like people who are designing [TS]

01:03:43   cases or making clones or competitive [TS]

01:03:46   they're like it's it's really it's [TS]

01:03:49   really hard to keep this kind of secret [TS]

01:03:51   and Apple continues to prove that but no [TS]

01:03:54   matter how much money you have no matter [TS]

01:03:56   how careful you are we're gonna find out [TS]

01:03:59   about your phone Mac Pro is gonna be [TS]

01:04:01   pretty secret though let me tell you [TS]

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01:05:25   show what do you have John about this [TS]

01:05:31   nickname that a grouper reported the [TS]

01:05:34   Ferrari nickname yeah iPhone D 22s [TS]

01:05:37   nickname may have been Ferrari oh yeah [TS]

01:05:39   that make that makes perfect sense [TS]

01:05:41   because we've all been talking about [TS]

01:05:43   this phone in in that kind of way as [TS]

01:05:45   they're gonna make phones like the 7 and [TS]

01:05:48   the 7 plus and they're gonna be fine [TS]

01:05:50   phones and those the normal ones but [TS]

01:05:51   then there's the fancy one a fancy one [TS]

01:05:53   is you know edge to edge screen and made [TS]

01:05:55   of exact materials and gonna be more [TS]

01:05:57   expensive and you know Ferrari it's the [TS]

01:05:58   perfect name for it it's like it's not [TS]

01:06:00   the phone that everybody's gonna have [TS]

01:06:01   and a lot of the stories and a lot of [TS]

01:06:03   Gruber's writing about has been about [TS]

01:06:05   how hey this will be phone to be more [TS]

01:06:08   expensive because though I make it the [TS]

01:06:09   same price as the other ones it's called [TS]

01:06:10   you know you're going to segment the [TS]

01:06:11   market like good better best or whatever [TS]

01:06:13   and be how they probably can't make as [TS]

01:06:17   many of these like if this was the only [TS]

01:06:18   iPhone that potentially they wouldn't be [TS]

01:06:20   able to make as many of them because one [TS]

01:06:22   or more parts in that are not being able [TS]

01:06:24   to be manufactured in volume and the [TS]

01:06:26   meta point about the Ferrari phone is [TS]

01:06:28   like if Apple can only ever put [TS]

01:06:31   technology in its phones that it can [TS]

01:06:32   make 60 million of like for a launch day [TS]

01:06:35   or whatever it's going to be a [TS]

01:06:37   disadvantage against competitors that [TS]

01:06:39   only have to make like [TS]

01:06:40   million phones if you can make two [TS]

01:06:41   million phones feel like I just need two [TS]

01:06:42   million of this special awesome screen [TS]

01:06:43   and apples like oh that screen is [TS]

01:06:46   awesome we would love to put that screen [TS]

01:06:47   that iPhone is sorry we can only make [TS]

01:06:48   two million of those and they will [TS]

01:06:49   apples like well we need 60 million well [TS]

01:06:51   we can't make them any of that screen [TS]

01:06:52   you can't put that screen your phone so [TS]

01:06:53   this gives them an addition to [TS]

01:06:55   segmenting the market like oh you want [TS]

01:06:57   to pay even more for an iPhone Apple is [TS]

01:06:59   happy to accommodate you yay what can we [TS]

01:07:01   put in this phone that's worth the extra [TS]

01:07:02   money [TS]

01:07:03   what could make it look cooler we could [TS]

01:07:05   have fancy features like the face [TS]

01:07:06   detection and the edge to edge screen [TS]

01:07:08   and we can put components in it that we [TS]

01:07:10   can only make 12 million over 15 million [TS]

01:07:13   of them said of 60 mm making these [TS]

01:07:14   numbers up but like whatever like and [TS]

01:07:16   the Ferrari name fits of debt Ferraris [TS]

01:07:19   cars that cost more than other cars they [TS]

01:07:21   make fewer of them and they're really [TS]

01:07:23   fancy so and Eddy Cue is on the board of [TS]

01:07:25   Ferrari so everything fits it all works [TS]

01:07:28   yeah yeah all right so no more thoughts [TS]

01:07:32   on this leak I feel bad for the [TS]

01:07:34   responsible party though my goodness I [TS]

01:07:36   can't tell if my water smells like DEET [TS]

01:07:39   or if my hands smell you deep that are [TS]

01:07:41   handling the waters stop stop eating bug [TS]

01:07:43   spray Marco it's gonna affect the show [TS]

01:07:45   eventually Marco's I can tell Marc was [TS]

01:07:48   drinking and I can tell when he's eating [TS]

01:07:49   bug spray he is high today hey there's [TS]

01:07:57   no more iPods except the iPod Touch [TS]

01:08:00   which could be only one [TS]

01:08:01   yeah that's Highlander John hi Liam yeah [TS]

01:08:05   went over my head at least don't worry [TS]

01:08:07   I'm still okay I didn't get a reference [TS]

01:08:09   Oh can't get there can be only one this [TS]

01:08:11   is a new low folks one isn't the most [TS]

01:08:15   well-known reference the market will not [TS]

01:08:17   get Highlander is now there can be only [TS]

01:08:19   one is now in the lead [TS]

01:08:20   I mean if you're talking about like most [TS]

01:08:23   popular things that I haven't seen you [TS]

01:08:26   got to go probably Lord of the Rings or [TS]

01:08:27   Harry Potter or maybe Star Trek but but [TS]

01:08:30   you but you know but this is differently [TS]

01:08:32   you don't expect you to have seen [TS]

01:08:34   Highlander we're not crazy but you know [TS]

01:08:36   that is that is a reference to [TS]

01:08:38   Highlander like it's at a very popular [TS]

01:08:40   engine I mean we use many many times you [TS]

01:08:42   don't have to have ever seen the movie [TS]

01:08:43   to know that that anyway but I think [TS]

01:08:46   that's the top of the leaderboard now [TS]

01:08:47   because I would say that is pretty well [TS]

01:08:50   known [TS]

01:08:52   anyway no more ipods sometimes I forget [TS]

01:08:56   they still make them like I feel like [TS]

01:08:58   that's the like the best time for Apple [TS]

01:09:01   to discontinue a product quietly like [TS]

01:09:03   this is when half people who hear the [TS]

01:09:06   news say oh they still made those yeah [TS]

01:09:08   like that's that probably is a good [TS]

01:09:09   indicator that they that they killed in [TS]

01:09:11   an appropriate time it was not too soon [TS]

01:09:13   it might have been too late but it was [TS]

01:09:15   not too soon and yeah I mean this is if [TS]

01:09:18   anything I think this is I mean first of [TS]

01:09:21   all yeah probably long overdue but [TS]

01:09:23   second of all this might help usher in [TS]

01:09:26   the post iTunes era because one of the [TS]

01:09:29   biggest reasons that iTunes has to keep [TS]

01:09:31   existing is because it's the only way to [TS]

01:09:33   sync music on to iPods so maybe this [TS]

01:09:36   will help that I don't know I mean I [TS]

01:09:38   know this is up there with like the Mac [TS]

01:09:40   App Store rewrite as incredibly unlikely [TS]

01:09:43   predictions I've made recently but I [TS]

01:09:45   don't know that they if they're going to [TS]

01:09:48   do it they have to lay the groundwork to [TS]

01:09:49   finally like fix / replace iTunes and [TS]

01:09:53   one of the biggest ways to do that is [TS]

01:09:55   first of all get rid of the need for to [TS]

01:09:57   ever run on Windows and then second of [TS]

01:09:59   all get rid of the need for it to sync [TS]

01:10:00   iPods and like if you can do those [TS]

01:10:02   things which are related you can clear [TS]

01:10:05   out a lot of the need for it to hold on [TS]

01:10:08   to all this old Kroft there was a leak [TS]

01:10:10   related to that actually I think it was [TS]

01:10:12   actually a Mac OS leaked some sort of [TS]

01:10:14   thing in Mac OS that was like oh you [TS]

01:10:16   know like quick looking on a video or [TS]

01:10:18   something was like open this in in [TS]

01:10:21   movies or something like that instead of [TS]

01:10:22   open in iTunes right it was like a [TS]

01:10:24   string for a dialog box thing that [TS]

01:10:27   opened it in one of Apple's incredibly [TS]

01:10:28   boring Lee named applications like [TS]

01:10:30   there's no more iTunes now we have an [TS]

01:10:31   application called movies and an [TS]

01:10:33   application called podcasts and an [TS]

01:10:35   application called music and that is [TS]

01:10:37   totally what Apple would do was their [TS]

01:10:38   super boring games anyway that's coming [TS]

01:10:41   we all know something like that is [TS]

01:10:42   coming and you're right getting rid of [TS]

01:10:43   the iPods does does help it what if they [TS]

01:10:46   don't use those boring names [TS]

01:10:47   what if they pull a planet of the apps [TS]

01:10:50   and they call every single one of the [TS]

01:10:52   new apps Apple music yeah that would [TS]

01:10:55   make just as much sense as this TV shows [TS]

01:10:57   on Apple music well they did call it [TS]

01:10:59   Audio os2 they have they always have to [TS]

01:11:01   every time they solve solve a naming [TS]

01:11:03   problem by like a lining [TS]

01:11:04   stupid capitalization of all the row [TS]

01:11:06   asses to be worse uniformly worse then [TS]

01:11:08   they make a new crisis of naming which [TS]

01:11:10   is like you no audio OS and Apple music [TS]

01:11:12   with TV shows on it but they'll sort it [TS]

01:11:14   out yeah so I don't know what the [TS]

01:11:15   timeline is and those things seems like [TS]

01:11:17   a lot to bite off but I'm you know even [TS]

01:11:21   though it is totally fine to get rid of [TS]

01:11:23   the iPods like their time has come there [TS]

01:11:25   are still people who miss things about [TS]

01:11:27   them and you know not that I miss the [TS]

01:11:29   products specifically about I miss Apple [TS]

01:11:33   being in that market so what kind of [TS]

01:11:35   mark are we talking about well a lot of [TS]

01:11:36   people have been running about missing [TS]

01:11:37   the shuffle because it's just so darn [TS]

01:11:38   small and some people don't want to [TS]

01:11:40   strap a phone to them and like oh I just [TS]

01:11:42   got an Apple watch that's the the watch [TS]

01:11:44   is the new shuffle right you don't you [TS]

01:11:45   know you just wear your watch and does [TS]

01:11:47   so much more than the shuffle does the [TS]

01:11:49   shuffle is kind of like being in some of [TS]

01:11:52   the same markets is Fitbit and make an [TS]

01:11:54   incredibly cheap thing that you don't [TS]

01:11:56   mind too much when you put it through [TS]

01:11:57   the washing machine does one simple [TS]

01:11:59   thing well now that it has them in the [TS]

01:12:01   shuffle a long time it's that one simple [TS]

01:12:02   thing not really well because getting [TS]

01:12:04   music on it was super pain but imagine [TS]

01:12:06   something that was similar form factor [TS]

01:12:09   and price to the iPod shuffle but you [TS]

01:12:13   never needed to connect the iTunes like [TS]

01:12:14   they did everything wirelessly and it's [TS]

01:12:16   sync with all your music and you know [TS]

01:12:17   like people would buy that for 50 bucks [TS]

01:12:20   Apple doesn't want to be in the market [TS]

01:12:21   to sell you that little Terrier 50 bucks [TS]

01:12:23   like they've stayed in it a lot longer [TS]

01:12:25   than anyone thought they would [TS]

01:12:26   who knows how cheaply they can [TS]

01:12:28   manufacture those things now but it's [TS]

01:12:31   kind of a shame that Apple doesn't want [TS]

01:12:32   to go that far down they just want to [TS]

01:12:34   sell you glass rectangles of varying [TS]

01:12:36   sizes the smallest one they're gonna [TS]

01:12:37   make so far it's gonna be on your watch [TS]

01:12:38   that's probably great for everybody but [TS]

01:12:40   the Apple watch is not the same market [TS]

01:12:43   as 50 dollar piece of crap electronic [TS]

01:12:45   thing that you just clip on to your [TS]

01:12:46   clothes that is you know incredibly [TS]

01:12:48   lightweight and that has access to all [TS]

01:12:49   of your music like effortlessly so I [TS]

01:12:52   hope to see like the return of the [TS]

01:12:55   shuffle like if Apple if the Apple I [TS]

01:12:57   used to be successful five years from [TS]

01:12:58   now or whatever you know the watch gets [TS]

01:13:01   super cheap and travels down to that [TS]

01:13:03   segment or some other you know some [TS]

01:13:06   other things some other sort of you can [TS]

01:13:08   find it in a box of cereal incredibly [TS]

01:13:10   cheap don't really worry about it too [TS]

01:13:12   much but also incredibly light and also [TS]

01:13:14   empowered by Apple's sort of ecosystem [TS]

01:13:16   like all the stuff they have all you [TS]

01:13:18   your podcasts or music and you know all [TS]

01:13:20   the clouds stuff I mean talk about [TS]

01:13:23   having cellular to the Apple watch which [TS]

01:13:24   we talked about many years ago as an [TS]

01:13:27   inevitability you know a tiny iPod [TS]

01:13:30   shuffle that has access to your entire [TS]

01:13:32   library of music and podcast [TS]

01:13:33   it also has cell access that cost 50 [TS]

01:13:36   bucks like I would love that product in [TS]

01:13:38   10-15 years so I hope not that the iPod [TS]

01:13:42   comes back but that form-factor come [TS]

01:13:43   back and that Apple doesn't rosanna it [TS]

01:13:46   doesn't continue to travel up market [TS]

01:13:47   without remembering they can also extend [TS]

01:13:49   down market as well I think ultimately [TS]

01:13:51   the the biggest problem and probably the [TS]

01:13:55   reason why this was killed and why this [TS]

01:13:57   doesn't exist you know it hops us Krantz [TS]

01:14:00   I major let me let him in so I had a [TS]

01:14:02   tough love I ferberize my dog he's [TS]

01:14:03   whining out there she's whining out [TS]

01:14:05   there and you know I just just wait it [TS]

01:14:07   out eventually you know we put it on [TS]

01:14:11   airplane mode what does that even mean I [TS]

01:14:19   don't want to make fun of you so badly [TS]

01:14:22   for that but that is genius all right so [TS]

01:14:24   I think one of the reasons why they [TS]

01:14:26   killed the iPods now and and why I think [TS]

01:14:30   John your hope for a shuffle is totally [TS]

01:14:32   futile is that my 15 years come on cut [TS]

01:14:35   me a break here but like I'm going to [TS]

01:14:36   come back tomorrow [TS]

01:14:37   first of all I have own shuffles my [TS]

01:14:41   first I think my first two iPods were [TS]

01:14:43   shuffles and I was not as big of a fan [TS]

01:14:49   but I think that the big problem now and [TS]

01:14:52   and one of the reasons why they could [TS]

01:14:54   probably do this now and kill all the [TS]

01:14:56   iPods now is I think it's easy for [TS]

01:14:59   people like like us basically old [TS]

01:15:01   computer nerds to overestimate how many [TS]

01:15:04   people actually still maintain their own [TS]

01:15:07   music collections you know these days [TS]

01:15:08   streaming is so popular it is it is the [TS]

01:15:12   default of what everyone does so many [TS]

01:15:15   people either never built up a music [TS]

01:15:17   collection or have abandoned it you know [TS]

01:15:20   years ago for streaming services that I [TS]

01:15:22   think the whole idea of a music player [TS]

01:15:25   that you sink a collection of you know [TS]

01:15:28   DRM free locally stored files that you [TS]

01:15:31   sync those on [TS]

01:15:32   - this music player and bring it with [TS]

01:15:34   you somewhere I think that whole idea [TS]

01:15:36   has had it today and is done and I don't [TS]

01:15:40   think it's coming back that's not really [TS]

01:15:41   do the form factor I said it would have [TS]

01:15:42   to have cell access and have access to [TS]

01:15:44   the cloud stuff that includes Apple [TS]

01:15:45   music that includes Spotify well then [TS]

01:15:47   that's that's that's a cellular Apple [TS]

01:15:49   watch basically and and there they might [TS]

01:15:51   be allegedly making right but it's not a [TS]

01:15:53   watch it's not a watch and it's not [TS]

01:15:54   gonna be $300 like a $50 thing then it's [TS]

01:15:57   a phone you can connect all your cloud [TS]

01:15:59   stuff to and your podcasts which aren't [TS]

01:16:01   the same as you know you could stream [TS]

01:16:02   your podcast that's fine but yourself to [TS]

01:16:04   know what podcast you subscribe do [TS]

01:16:05   anyway all the existing cloud stuff the [TS]

01:16:07   existing cloud stuff is Apple music you [TS]

01:16:10   know iTunes Match your iCloud music [TS]

01:16:12   library your podcasts Spotify everything [TS]

01:16:15   like that [TS]

01:16:15   all those ecosystems even if it just did [TS]

01:16:19   like okay like the watch does now like [TS]

01:16:21   well the watch can't get there by itself [TS]

01:16:23   but it can go on Wi-Fi and it can talk [TS]

01:16:25   to your phone or whatever they the whole [TS]

01:16:29   point is they don't want to sell [TS]

01:16:30   something that's 50 bucks that you can [TS]

01:16:31   listen to music and podcasts on [TS]

01:16:33   regardless of how you do this they just [TS]

01:16:34   they're you know you can't [TS]

01:16:35   technologically do what I'm describing [TS]

01:16:37   right now cuz it would cost more than 50 [TS]

01:16:39   bucks and the $50 thing they have now [TS]

01:16:41   sucks because it's so hard to get the [TS]

01:16:42   music onto it and it's so hard to use [TS]

01:16:44   right so I'm just hoping they come back [TS]

01:16:46   to that when technology catches up I [TS]

01:16:47   hope they don't say well you got to buy [TS]

01:16:49   a watch in the watch out we starts at [TS]

01:16:50   $1.99 like it never goes below that [TS]

01:16:52   because you know Apple and prices that [TS]

01:16:53   was keep going up market I hope I hope [TS]

01:16:55   they extend back down because kinda like [TS]

01:16:57   the iPod accidentally ended up 50 bucks [TS]

01:17:00   or whatever the shuffles bar because the [TS]

01:17:02   first shuffle was $1.99 or something [TS]

01:17:04   like that yeah [TS]

01:17:05   820 just so happen I think yeah like in [TS]

01:17:09   a rare case of it becoming cheaper or [TS]

01:17:11   cheaper to make this type of thing it [TS]

01:17:12   just so happened that the price dropped [TS]

01:17:13   down and people didn't care about it and [TS]

01:17:15   you know it's one of those cases where [TS]

01:17:16   app even Apple [TS]

01:17:18   couldn't fight against the fact that [TS]

01:17:20   this thing was incredibly cheap to make [TS]

01:17:22   I wonder how much the shuffle that they [TS]

01:17:23   were selling for whatever they were [TS]

01:17:24   selling for actually cost them to [TS]

01:17:25   manufacture the margins were probably [TS]

01:17:27   big but they probably sold nine months [TS]

01:17:28   who cares [TS]

01:17:28   um but that's what's happening with all [TS]

01:17:31   electronics that's why the watch is [TS]

01:17:32   going to get Cellular's because [TS]

01:17:33   eventually you can do that that fits in [TS]

01:17:36   that form factor and in that price that [TS]

01:17:39   will eventually happen for something [TS]

01:17:41   like a shuffle and so I hope when that [TS]

01:17:43   does happen that Apple revisits that [TS]

01:17:47   especially as they expand out there it's [TS]

01:17:49   like they're doing it but the phone [TS]

01:17:50   diversifying the phone to make a big one [TS]

01:17:51   they're small and now they're gonna make [TS]

01:17:52   a big one a small and and a medium [TS]

01:17:54   expensive one like this always room like [TS]

01:17:56   they were said they're not gonna leave a [TS]

01:17:57   price umbrella [TS]

01:17:58   it's just that Apple loves to go upwards [TS]

01:18:01   like how we make it even more expensive [TS]

01:18:03   Foam let's make a bigger net 100 bucks [TS]

01:18:04   let's make it all glass another hundred [TS]

01:18:06   bucks like that's it's totally Apple way [TS]

01:18:08   to do and that's great they should do [TS]

01:18:09   that they should also make a really [TS]

01:18:10   expensive Mac Pro that we'll all [TS]

01:18:11   potentially buy but the other direction [TS]

01:18:13   like don't just accidentally land there [TS]

01:18:16   revisited and you know in many years [TS]

01:18:19   when you can make the shuffle that I was [TS]

01:18:21   describing because I think they can sell [TS]

01:18:25   a lot of those things enough that to [TS]

01:18:27   make it worth their while and people [TS]

01:18:29   people do like them they don't like the [TS]

01:18:31   old shuffle because now is out outdated [TS]

01:18:33   but if they made a new one that did all [TS]

01:18:35   that stuff a lot of people about it I [TS]

01:18:36   say there's mostly because I see people [TS]

01:18:37   with fit bits which fitbit's would do [TS]

01:18:39   almost nothing and a junkie and people [TS]

01:18:41   put through the washer all the time but [TS]

01:18:42   I see a ton of them so I think there is [TS]

01:18:44   you know there is a there is a market [TS]

01:18:47   for so cheap you don't worry about it [TS]

01:18:49   too much [TS]

01:18:49   wearables that do something useful yeah [TS]

01:18:53   there is in general but I think there's [TS]

01:18:55   a lot more of that in the fitness [TS]

01:18:56   community than there is in the audio [TS]

01:18:58   playback market like it you know I think [TS]

01:19:00   when you're looking at just having a [TS]

01:19:02   small audio player the shuffle did make [TS]

01:19:06   sense for a while too as a thing that is [TS]

01:19:08   in life again I will stand by the fact [TS]

01:19:10   that it was never good but but it was it [TS]

01:19:12   made sense to exist in cell and it was [TS]

01:19:15   fine for certain uses but now you are [TS]

01:19:20   you're starting from a place where by [TS]

01:19:22   default you assume everyone has a phone [TS]

01:19:24   and then so you're what you're saying is [TS]

01:19:27   basically like or like the the case that [TS]

01:19:29   a shuffle would have to make is not I [TS]

01:19:33   need some of the complete music on the [TS]

01:19:34   go because your phone is that thing and [TS]

01:19:36   you already have that so that's [TS]

01:19:37   effectively free for you like there's no [TS]

01:19:39   additional cost for you to have music on [TS]

01:19:40   the go you already have that with your [TS]

01:19:41   phone and so now it's well if you want [TS]

01:19:45   to buy something else something smaller [TS]

01:19:48   that you can clip onto your body maybe [TS]

01:19:50   because of certain types of workouts [TS]

01:19:52   that you do like running where you don't [TS]

01:19:54   want to strap a phone to you or you know [TS]

01:19:56   something like that [TS]

01:19:57   well then their answer is the watch then [TS]

01:20:00   their answer as well if you're doing [TS]

01:20:01   these things we already have something [TS]

01:20:04   small that completely you can clip to [TS]

01:20:05   your body it's better than anything it's [TS]

01:20:07   better than any shuffle ever made [TS]

01:20:09   because it you don't have to clip it to [TS]

01:20:12   some part of your clothing you just [TS]

01:20:13   strap on your wrist in a location that [TS]

01:20:15   people are totally fine wearing things [TS]

01:20:17   most of the time and it doesn't you [TS]

01:20:19   don't you there's no wires you can't [TS]

01:20:21   plug a wire into even if you wanted to [TS]

01:20:22   so you don't have a headphone wire they [TS]

01:20:24   have to route somewhere along your arm [TS]

01:20:25   or strap it down or through your shirt [TS]

01:20:26   anything like that you can just use [TS]

01:20:28   bluetooth you don't have to work with [TS]

01:20:30   the air pods right exactly and so for [TS]

01:20:32   the shuffle would do that too yes but if [TS]

01:20:34   you're saying like Apple should sell a [TS]

01:20:36   small inexpensive wearable device that [TS]

01:20:38   you can sync music to in a modern way [TS]

01:20:40   that can run modern apps and modern [TS]

01:20:42   streaming services and can stream things [TS]

01:20:44   to bluetooth that's smaller than a phone [TS]

01:20:45   they do it's called the Apple watch and [TS]

01:20:47   I don't think it's ever gonna get down [TS]

01:20:48   to 50 bucks I already said that like [TS]

01:20:51   they could if the way they can get to [TS]

01:20:53   that market is they're making a fifty [TS]

01:20:54   dollar Apple watch that's fine [TS]

01:20:55   but if they never want the Apple watch [TS]

01:20:57   to go down to 50 bucks what I'm saying [TS]

01:20:58   is there's still place when to put [TS]

01:21:00   something like that if they don't [TS]

01:21:00   they'll put this way if they don't do it [TS]

01:21:01   in a Fitbit is still in business Fitbit [TS]

01:21:03   will make this because Fitbit already [TS]

01:21:04   sells you something that is small [TS]

01:21:06   lightweight cheap that does less than an [TS]

01:21:08   Apple watch and eventually if they can [TS]

01:21:11   sell something at that price and Apple [TS]

01:21:15   doesn't then Fitbit will in the same way [TS]

01:21:16   that Fitbit will sell a thing that [TS]

01:21:18   counts your steps it's much cheaper than [TS]

01:21:20   an Apple watch and Apple thus far can't [TS]

01:21:22   make an Apple watch that's cheap because [TS]

01:21:23   it's too complicated right so they could [TS]

01:21:25   you know I'm just saying like don't [TS]

01:21:26   don't leave this market out and I'm [TS]

01:21:27   saying not to do it with the watch [TS]

01:21:28   because thus far Apple has made the [TS]

01:21:31   watch to be not upscale like the [TS]

01:21:34   addition days are behind us but they're [TS]

01:21:36   still making the ceramic ones and [TS]

01:21:38   they're all about fashion and fanciness [TS]

01:21:40   it seems to me that there is less of an [TS]

01:21:43   appetite to bring the Apple watch down [TS]

01:21:44   to 50 bucks even if they can technically [TS]

01:21:46   so that leaves the room for if they [TS]

01:21:48   don't want to do that and if they don't [TS]

01:21:50   want Fitbit to sell that thing these [TS]

01:21:52   room to bring back something like the [TS]

01:21:54   shuffle in the future that is [TS]

01:21:55   essentially it just an Apple watch [TS]

01:21:57   without a strap and maybe without a [TS]

01:21:58   screen on it even if you want to make it [TS]

01:22:00   super cheap I think we can all agree [TS]

01:22:02   though that no one is crying for the [TS]

01:22:05   iPod Nano yeah and and that was so good [TS]

01:22:11   for so long but that time [TS]

01:22:14   long past yeah my first Apple products [TS]

01:22:17   if memory serves were the original iPod [TS]

01:22:20   shuffle that looked like a stick of gum [TS]

01:22:21   or pack of gum I guess I should say and [TS]

01:22:24   then following that an iPod Nano the one [TS]

01:22:27   that was really easy to scratch the back [TS]

01:22:28   of and I think there was like a [TS]

01:22:29   class-action lawsuit or something [TS]

01:22:31   scratch the front not the back the front [TS]

01:22:32   what's the front okay yeah right way [TS]

01:22:34   either way those were my first two Apple [TS]

01:22:37   products so I think I have a similar [TS]

01:22:39   reaction to every one or a lot of people [TS]

01:22:41   which is well that that kind of sucks [TS]

01:22:44   but no actually it doesn't because who's [TS]

01:22:46   really buying these anymore anyway so [TS]

01:22:49   yeah and they also do we already did we [TS]

01:22:51   already mention that the capacity bumped [TS]

01:22:53   the iPod Touch as well which is nobody [TS]

01:22:55   cares I know you know is even worse than [TS]

01:23:02   I have my phone I see users now it's [TS]

01:23:04   been so lucky that's why I had to leave [TS]

01:23:05   it like it was just fall you know [TS]

01:23:07   getting a phone cuz I was gonna get [TS]

01:23:08   phone but like they you know updated in [TS]

01:23:10   forever and yeah they bumped the [TS]

01:23:12   capacities but left the price is the [TS]

01:23:13   same but it's still overpriced like the [TS]

01:23:15   problem like it's not it's not super [TS]

01:23:18   expensive but for what's in it like I [TS]

01:23:21   find it hard to recommend that product I [TS]

01:23:23   suppose if you want to get something for [TS]

01:23:25   your kid and it's still cheaper than an [TS]

01:23:27   iPad right but I find it really hard to [TS]

01:23:30   recommend that product at the current [TS]

01:23:32   price and capabilities if they want if [TS]

01:23:36   they don't want to can the iPod Touch [TS]

01:23:37   which apparently they don't want to do [TS]

01:23:38   because it could have just canned it now [TS]

01:23:39   they need to get it on they need to give [TS]

01:23:43   a slightly better upgrade cycle I mean I [TS]

01:23:47   guess they're not motivated to do that [TS]

01:23:48   because you know it's it's uh it's like [TS]

01:23:50   the Mac Mini of the iOS line it's like [TS]

01:23:52   well it's the product exists in our [TS]

01:23:54   lineup and people do buy it and it fills [TS]

01:23:56   a role but we're not killing ourselves [TS]

01:23:58   to make a new one so it's got what it's [TS]

01:23:59   got the a8 in it now like when the a12 [TS]

01:24:02   is out can we update the iPod touch [TS]

01:24:04   again you know a capacity bump like come [TS]

01:24:06   on I just if you're gonna have it may be [TS]

01:24:08   updated every once in a while that's all [TS]

01:24:10   I'm saying it's also interesting like [TS]

01:24:12   how it fits now in the lineup you know [TS]

01:24:13   first so you have the iPod touch at what [TS]

01:24:15   200 bucks even is that the base yeah I [TS]

01:24:17   think so then you have at 3:29 the new [TS]

01:24:21   cheap iPad it seems like you're getting [TS]

01:24:22   way more exactly you get way more with [TS]

01:24:25   the iPad [TS]

01:24:26   and then at 400 you have the iPhone se [TS]

01:24:28   which if you still want a small device [TS]

01:24:31   that is you're getting way more for the [TS]

01:24:33   iPhone se than you are with an iPod [TS]

01:24:35   Touch of 200 now granted that's I've now [TS]

01:24:37   doubled the price but like I feel like [TS]

01:24:40   any discussion of what the iPod Touch [TS]

01:24:42   should or shouldn't have or should or [TS]

01:24:44   shouldn't be updated or how it should be [TS]

01:24:45   priced has to also then consider how it [TS]

01:24:48   fits in with these other low-end [TS]

01:24:50   inexpensive iOS devices yeah I mean it [TS]

01:24:53   is kind of you know people sound like [TS]

01:24:54   all the real iPods are on the iPod Touch [TS]

01:24:56   was never really an iPod it was an iPod [TS]

01:24:57   a name only but now it is it's actually [TS]

01:25:00   filling the role of the iPod because why [TS]

01:25:03   in the world would like so you're gonna [TS]

01:25:04   get a kid you know it's get a kid so [TS]

01:25:06   then I can have a phone you don't want [TS]

01:25:07   to this kid doesn't have a cell number [TS]

01:25:08   this kid is 6 years old right you want [TS]

01:25:10   to get them an iOS device you're gonna [TS]

01:25:12   get that kid that iPad right unless what [TS]

01:25:16   the kid actually wants is a music player [TS]

01:25:18   because the iPad is not a great music [TS]

01:25:20   player to carry around with you at [TS]

01:25:21   school or whatever like say the kid is [TS]

01:25:22   you know 11 or 12 and maybe just want to [TS]

01:25:24   have fun yet right parents will want to [TS]

01:25:25   pay for a cell data plan so I thought [TS]

01:25:28   any kind of iPhone is out because [TS]

01:25:29   they're not paying for a cell data plan [TS]

01:25:30   it's a waste to buy an iPhone and pay [TS]

01:25:32   that extra Spencer or something it's not [TS]

01:25:33   gonna be a phone but a kid would still [TS]

01:25:36   rather have it an iPad to watch YouTube [TS]

01:25:38   on and stuff too [TS]

01:25:39   unless they want to carry it around the [TS]

01:25:40   school and listen to music or whatever [TS]

01:25:42   they would run with it or you know take [TS]

01:25:44   it with them to camp or whatever it's a [TS]

01:25:46   music player as the only the only [TS]

01:25:48   advantages has is its small size [TS]

01:25:50   everything else about is a disadvantage [TS]

01:25:51   like because the price is too close to [TS]

01:25:52   the to the cheap iPad it's really slow [TS]

01:25:55   the storage capacity so it's kind of [TS]

01:25:57   weird the iPod Touch just now is now [TS]

01:25:59   actually living up to its iPod name [TS]

01:26:02   because literal only reason for [TS]

01:26:03   existence in any sensible thing is to [TS]

01:26:06   fill the role of a non phone thing that [TS]

01:26:09   you can also get access to all of your [TS]

01:26:11   you know and I suppose text messages if [TS]

01:26:14   you have Wi-Fi but it is more iPod like [TS]

01:26:17   than has ever been before which is kind [TS]

01:26:18   of depressing because it you know as I [TS]

01:26:20   pointed out many times was once the [TS]

01:26:22   fastest iPhone iOS device you could buy [TS]

01:26:24   for a brief moment in time those days [TS]

01:26:26   are long gone that was John's favorite [TS]

01:26:28   brief moment in time that's what I feel [TS]

01:26:31   like a part of the probably a big part [TS]

01:26:33   of the market for the iPod Touch in [TS]

01:26:35   addition to being eaten alive by the [TS]

01:26:37   low-end iPad has probably also been [TS]

01:26:39   eaten alive [TS]

01:26:40   by the increasing numbers of people who [TS]

01:26:43   just give old iPhones to kids like it's [TS]

01:26:45   a good point [TS]

01:26:46   I now know a bunch of parents of young [TS]

01:26:48   children in like that that had age range [TS]

01:26:50   where like they could have an iOS device [TS]

01:26:52   but you don't want to give them a good [TS]

01:26:54   one and I don't know any of them that [TS]

01:26:57   have an iPod Touch they're all using [TS]

01:26:59   their parents old iPhones it's you know [TS]

01:27:00   like iPhone 4s and stuff like that like [TS]

01:27:02   that of that age range or maybe an [TS]

01:27:05   iPhone five like they're all using those [TS]

01:27:08   and so like granted not everybody keeps [TS]

01:27:10   their all devices a lot of people trade [TS]

01:27:12   them in or sell them to help fund the [TS]

01:27:13   new ones but I've had a lot of people [TS]

01:27:15   who want it who have you know children [TS]

01:27:18   of this age range they just give them [TS]

01:27:20   what is that what they already have in a [TS]

01:27:22   drawer somewhere which is a few years [TS]

01:27:24   old iPhone okay maybe a little but I'm [TS]

01:27:27   trying to think of why didn't we do that [TS]

01:27:28   with our kids I mean from the beginning [TS]

01:27:29   was because yeah I had the old iPod [TS]

01:27:32   Touches in them but we actually did buy [TS]

01:27:34   two brand-new iPod Touches it when we [TS]

01:27:37   ran out of my old supply of iPod Touches [TS]

01:27:39   right but the kids still wanted [TS]

01:27:41   something that was better and faster you [TS]

01:27:42   know that my old iPod Touches for two [TS]

01:27:44   crappy for them which they really were [TS]

01:27:45   at that point we had the choice we could [TS]

01:27:47   have said well why don't we take you [TS]

01:27:49   know the old iPhone for us and give it [TS]

01:27:51   to one of the kids or we could just buy [TS]

01:27:53   a brand new iPod Touch and we ended up [TS]

01:27:55   buying a new iPod touch you know twice [TS]

01:27:58   we did that for a variety of business [TS]

01:28:00   you know because it was cheap because [TS]

01:28:02   it's new because the battery will be [TS]

01:28:03   fresh all the kind of reasons you know [TS]

01:28:05   that you might so it's for us when we [TS]

01:28:08   had access to both of them you know we [TS]

01:28:10   could have gone either way on it so I [TS]

01:28:11   don't think it's always a slam dunk but [TS]

01:28:13   you know it depends on it depends on how [TS]

01:28:15   often you upgrade your phones if y'all [TS]

01:28:16   read your phone every year you have a [TS]

01:28:17   much greater supply of reasonable ish [TS]

01:28:20   iPhones to go through something also [TS]

01:28:22   some people might want to resell their [TS]

01:28:23   iPhones like if you do upgrade every [TS]

01:28:24   year you can get some good money for [TS]

01:28:26   reselling your iPhone and maybe that [TS]

01:28:28   makes up the cost of the iPod Touch [TS]

01:28:30   anyway I'm sure they're not selling too [TS]

01:28:31   many of these but they don't gonna break [TS]

01:28:33   that out for us but they did keep it [TS]

01:28:35   around just like the Mac Mini so I'll [TS]

01:28:37   keep our eye on it [TS]

01:28:38   iPod Touch Deathwatch begins now oh my [TS]

01:28:44   goodness and speaking of death watches [TS]

01:28:45   flash is on the verge of dead like for [TS]

01:28:48   real for real pleasure this is another [TS]

01:28:50   one of those things where the correct [TS]

01:28:52   response is they were [TS]

01:28:53   making flash yeah I could tell they were [TS]

01:28:56   still making flash because I still come [TS]

01:28:59   across websites that require flash or [TS]

01:29:01   don't work right or complain that my [TS]

01:29:02   version of Flash is updated I'm like [TS]

01:29:04   still really what is what is this [TS]

01:29:06   website why do you want me to have flash [TS]

01:29:07   I just want to see some video what [TS]

01:29:09   century are we in but the reason this is [TS]

01:29:12   a story is because Adobe the makers of [TS]

01:29:14   flash are saying we're not going to do [TS]

01:29:16   that anymore okay so finally like you [TS]

01:29:19   have no choice people who continue to [TS]

01:29:21   make websites with flash soon you will [TS]

01:29:23   not be able to get flash our Flash [TS]

01:29:25   plugin that works in modern browsers [TS]

01:29:27   because Adobe is not going to spend more [TS]

01:29:29   time developing it and blah blah blah so [TS]

01:29:31   truly only Adobe could really ever kill [TS]

01:29:34   flash because if they continued to make [TS]

01:29:35   it and sell it as again a product in [TS]

01:29:37   their lineup some people buy it and use [TS]

01:29:39   it and force you to have it for their [TS]

01:29:41   web sites and those are bad people and [TS]

01:29:42   so I'm glad Dobies putting it into this [TS]

01:29:46   how do you really feel thanks to our [TS]

01:29:49   three sponsors this week Casper [TS]

01:29:51   Squarespace and audible and we will see [TS]

01:29:53   you next week now the show is over [TS]

01:29:59   they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:30:03   accidental accidental [TS]

01:30:09   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

01:30:12   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:30:16   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:30:19   notes at a s ey l is s so that's K [TS]

01:30:33   sealless and a are Co AR m and T Marco [TS]

01:30:38   Arment si are a Syracuse [TS]

01:30:56   so John how was your big vacation I [TS]

01:30:59   really want to hear more about this is [TS]

01:31:01   the same as it always is I always go [TS]

01:31:03   down to Long Island for it's usually [TS]

01:31:04   just a week this time it was almost two [TS]

01:31:06   weeks because reasons and we took the [TS]

01:31:11   dog with us this time we've gone on [TS]

01:31:14   there with dog before but that was our [TS]

01:31:15   other dog and he was much better behaved [TS]

01:31:18   than this little monster well she's [TS]

01:31:20   still a puppy though yeah she was much [TS]

01:31:23   older dog but we survived we had pretty [TS]

01:31:26   okay weather took a lot of pictures [TS]

01:31:29   filled up a lot of memory cards filled [TS]

01:31:34   up my wife's iMac we came back home she [TS]

01:31:38   got that warning that Ohio s will give [TS]

01:31:41   you that says your disc is running low [TS]

01:31:42   in space which is never good worrying to [TS]

01:31:44   get because Mac OS like so many UNIX is [TS]

01:31:46   before it does not behave well when it [TS]

01:31:48   runs out of disk space things get very [TS]

01:31:51   bad very quickly so I had to come home [TS]

01:31:54   and well I try to delete a bunch of [TS]

01:31:56   pictures but then you got to go into [TS]

01:31:57   recently deleted and delete them and you [TS]

01:31:58   know I do I did as much picture deleting [TS]

01:32:00   Isaac oh but the bottom line is pictures [TS]

01:32:01   don't pictures only accumulate [TS]

01:32:03   essentially you know you just keep [TS]

01:32:04   taking more of them and you don't delete [TS]

01:32:06   the old ones and there have been more [TS]

01:32:09   worthless into leaving them than they [TS]

01:32:11   have in the past not just out of focus [TS]

01:32:13   or bad ones but just like you know just [TS]

01:32:15   deleting everything except for the ones [TS]

01:32:16   I think are decent but then I have to go [TS]

01:32:19   through her computer and delete a bunch [TS]

01:32:20   of other stuff too so polla just can [TS]

01:32:23   menteur EXI look for alternatives I know [TS]

01:32:25   there's a bunch of alternatives that [TS]

01:32:26   people like people like dayz disk grande [TS]

01:32:27   perspective is a discriminatory acts [TS]

01:32:29   look-alike type program space gremlin is [TS]

01:32:31   my favorite oh I don't know about that [TS]

01:32:33   one I got checked going up it's fairly [TS]

01:32:35   hideous but it's pretty functional I [TS]

01:32:37   like the the tree map view of the big [TS]

01:32:39   rectangle I liked disconfort inventory [TS]

01:32:42   axis I'm concerned that it's not being [TS]

01:32:44   maintained and it sometimes does some [TS]

01:32:45   weird stuff that bothers me a little bit [TS]

01:32:47   so that's why I just download a grand [TS]

01:32:49   perspective but anyway if you've never [TS]

01:32:50   used one of these programs or omni just [TS]

01:32:53   sweeper or Daisy disk whatever whichever [TS]

01:32:55   one you want when you're trying to free [TS]

01:32:56   up disk space this is the way to do it [TS]

01:32:58   get a program that will show you somehow [TS]

01:33:00   all the stuff that's on your disk and [TS]

01:33:02   find the big things and don't spend a [TS]

01:33:04   year going through a million tiny files [TS]

01:33:05   to fair what to delete delete like three [TS]

01:33:07   big ones right and that [TS]

01:33:09   so deleted a bunch of games from Steam I [TS]

01:33:11   moved my iTunes backups to a different [TS]

01:33:15   volume yes speaking of things you can [TS]

01:33:18   safely delete with this new modern age [TS]

01:33:22   I tuned zdevice backups are huge most [TS]

01:33:25   people have no idea that they're even [TS]

01:33:26   still keeping those if they don't use [TS]

01:33:27   them anymore and they take up tons of [TS]

01:33:30   disk space so that's a number one hit is [TS]

01:33:32   like you've got to get rid of those [TS]

01:33:34   iTunes backups also if you're a [TS]

01:33:35   developer Xcode keeps around all sorts [TS]

01:33:38   of support files for old simulators and [TS]

01:33:40   old devices that you probably don't use [TS]

01:33:41   anymore [TS]

01:33:42   the Xcode developer directory is always [TS]

01:33:44   a great source of clearing out stuff [TS]

01:33:46   yeah I still keep the iTunes device [TS]

01:33:49   backups just because it's is still even [TS]

01:33:52   with the crappiness of iTunes slightly [TS]

01:33:54   the fastest and most convenient way to [TS]

01:33:56   restore like a kids a device that got [TS]

01:33:57   totally hosed so I keep them around I [TS]

01:34:01   didn't want to leave them all I didn't [TS]

01:34:02   need to obviously all the old ones that [TS]

01:34:03   for device that I'm using abroad just [TS]

01:34:05   move them to a different volume that [TS]

01:34:06   isn't backed up they don't like if I [TS]

01:34:08   lose them oh well these are all the [TS]

01:34:09   devices are all backed up the iCloud [TS]

01:34:11   right so I just have local iTunes [TS]

01:34:12   backups you know it's just convenient [TS]

01:34:14   encrypted backups I have all the [TS]

01:34:16   passwords though I think they added that [TS]

01:34:17   to the iCloud backups - now didn't they [TS]

01:34:19   anyway more backups is good so I didn't [TS]

01:34:22   want to delete them I just moved them [TS]

01:34:23   what else did I delete well the trick [TS]

01:34:25   now is so if you want the password [TS]

01:34:27   doesn't have to be saved they're still [TS]

01:34:29   excluded from from iCloud backups but [TS]

01:34:31   iCloud keychain now exists so the [TS]

01:34:34   official the official word of like how [TS]

01:34:36   you're supposed to do this is to use [TS]

01:34:38   iCloud keychain also in addition to [TS]

01:34:40   iCloud backups and then you will have [TS]

01:34:42   those things work so that saves a lot of [TS]

01:34:44   spend up freeing up like 130 gigs or [TS]

01:34:47   something which gave me a little bit [TS]

01:34:49   more breathing room but it's that you [TS]

01:34:50   look at the disk inventory acts like [TS]

01:34:52   giant rectangle picture and it's just a [TS]

01:34:54   huge rectangle that is my photo library [TS]

01:34:56   and there's a little skinny row with a [TS]

01:34:58   bunch of tiny little things that is [TS]

01:34:59   everything else on the system and what [TS]

01:35:02   can you do like I got the biggest you [TS]

01:35:03   know it's a one terabyte drive and her [TS]

01:35:06   iMac and that's the time we moved you [TS]

01:35:08   know we moved the photos from an [TS]

01:35:09   external drive to an internal one it's [TS]

01:35:11   so much more convenient and fast [TS]

01:35:12   obviously to have everything in one [TS]

01:35:14   volume before I have this even more [TS]

01:35:16   complicated backup scheme where I had [TS]

01:35:17   you know her internal drive on her old [TS]

01:35:19   computer but then also my external [TS]

01:35:22   photos [TS]

01:35:23   and then you had to do like it just [TS]

01:35:24   doubles the amount of backup headaches [TS]

01:35:25   that you have to do and I like having it [TS]

01:35:28   all one but at this point you know when [TS]

01:35:31   we replaced this iMac I'm gonna get her [TS]

01:35:33   one with a two terabyte disk or gonna [TS]

01:35:35   move the iPhoto library to my Mac Pro [TS]

01:35:37   with the 4 terabyte internal SSD where [TS]

01:35:39   the hell are going to get in my fantasy [TS]

01:35:41   world that's actually that's that's a [TS]

01:35:44   non not crazy way to do it like one of [TS]

01:35:46   the little hacks I've recently decided [TS]

01:35:48   to try was I have you know my iMac and [TS]

01:35:51   then a laptop and they have one terabyte [TS]

01:35:54   each cuz that was like the most fecund [TS]

01:35:55   iMac at the time and so I got that but I [TS]

01:35:58   I'm pushing that so like on the iMac a [TS]

01:35:59   couple of years ago now I bought a [TS]

01:36:01   little external Samsung SSD too and I [TS]

01:36:04   moved over it's very very easy to have [TS]

01:36:08   iTunes and Apple photos store their [TS]

01:36:12   giant libraries anywhere else like on an [TS]

01:36:15   external driver and it's very easy to do [TS]

01:36:16   that you'd like you don't have to do any [TS]

01:36:17   kind of weird symlink trick or anything [TS]

01:36:18   you can just tell it I'm now moving this [TS]

01:36:21   here and and it just works and both for [TS]

01:36:23   both photos and iTunes and so and [TS]

01:36:25   because there's such big things for most [TS]

01:36:27   people does you know that's like number [TS]

01:36:30   one hit rate to move but one thing I [TS]

01:36:31   started doing now with photos is I [TS]

01:36:34   signed it so I have this Mac Mini server [TS]

01:36:37   at home it's like a little home utility [TS]

01:36:39   server among other things that usually [TS]

01:36:40   runs the live stream for this show it [TS]

01:36:42   also hosts a giant ice cozy volume on [TS]

01:36:46   mine ass and this is I would not [TS]

01:36:48   honestly recommend doing ice Guzzi it's [TS]

01:36:50   too much of a pain if I were starting [TS]

01:36:51   fresh today I wouldn't do it but what I [TS]

01:36:54   would do is just plug in a couple of [TS]

01:36:56   giant external hard drives to that Mac [TS]

01:36:58   Mini which would serve the same function [TS]

01:37:00   so anyway so I have this Mac Mini that [TS]

01:37:02   thinks it has a whole bunch of locally [TS]

01:37:04   attached storage so one thing I've [TS]

01:37:06   started doing now is I signed in to [TS]

01:37:10   photos app on that Mac Mini and I'm [TS]

01:37:13   having it keep a local copy of a hundred [TS]

01:37:16   percent quality of everything so now I [TS]

01:37:19   can safely if I want to I'm not sure if [TS]

01:37:22   I will but if I want to now I can I can [TS]

01:37:25   have future computers not keep my entire [TS]

01:37:28   photo library on them and therefore [TS]

01:37:30   maybe I don't need to buy the giant [TS]

01:37:32   expensive 2 terabyte or future 4 [TS]

01:37:34   terabyte options you know [TS]

01:37:36   now maybe I could get quote only the one [TS]

01:37:39   or two terabyte SSDs built-in so that [TS]

01:37:43   now because I have this other of Mac [TS]

01:37:44   press other Mac Mini in my house that is [TS]

01:37:47   keeping a full resolution copy of [TS]

01:37:48   everything locally and you know the [TS]

01:37:50   third option is you could just trust [TS]

01:37:51   cloud backup I don't like that option so [TS]

01:37:53   I still have this thing locally I still [TS]

01:37:56   have everything locally like it in my [TS]

01:37:57   house but it's hard to you know because [TS]

01:38:00   once as you said John like once you add [TS]

01:38:01   photos to your life [TS]

01:38:03   you're basically gonna keep paying for [TS]

01:38:05   that storage forever like you know every [TS]

01:38:07   computer you buy you're gonna have to [TS]

01:38:09   get the bigger and bigger disk each time [TS]

01:38:11   and you're gonna have to keep paying [TS]

01:38:12   that giant has--is D tax over and over [TS]

01:38:14   and over again every time you buy a [TS]

01:38:15   computer so one way to solve it is see [TS]

01:38:20   if there's some kind of clever way you [TS]

01:38:21   can use other or different or cheaper [TS]

01:38:24   hard drive space in your house and so [TS]

01:38:26   for me having the Mac Mini signed into [TS]

01:38:28   Photos app and having having that down [TS]

01:38:29   all the originals then frees up the [TS]

01:38:31   other computers to have it do the [TS]

01:38:33   optimized storage thing and so yeah that [TS]

01:38:35   that's one option this could be crazy I [TS]

01:38:38   don't know but it seemed reasonable when [TS]

01:38:39   I set it up no I mean I did the same [TS]

01:38:41   thing I have another Mac that signed [TS]

01:38:42   Emily one terabyte disk you know thing [TS]

01:38:45   is I just don't like in the same way [TS]

01:38:46   that raid is not a backup solution I [TS]

01:38:48   don't consider that a backup like it's [TS]

01:38:50   good to have it but I would never turn [TS]

01:38:52   on up to my storage on my iMac because I [TS]

01:38:54   need one canonical location that I want [TS]

01:38:56   that backed up the old-fashioned way you [TS]

01:38:58   know three times the time machine to two [TS]

01:38:59   separate disks cloud backup and also [TS]

01:39:02   super-duper clone like the photos are [TS]

01:39:04   the most important thing that I backups [TS]

01:39:06   so I bought them in more places not [TS]

01:39:09   fewer so I never I'm never gonna uncheck [TS]

01:39:11   I'm never gonna check that off to my [TS]

01:39:12   storage box even though like I did this [TS]

01:39:14   that's what I did in vacation I took a [TS]

01:39:15   laptop with me on vacation with the one [TS]

01:39:17   terabyte drive right and so I'm taking [TS]

01:39:19   the pictures signed into the same [TS]

01:39:20   account my wife's account like I made on [TS]

01:39:22   this laptop and I'm doing all the [TS]

01:39:24   pictures there and doing all the edits [TS]

01:39:26   and everything and deleting and [TS]

01:39:27   favoriting and doing all this stuff and [TS]

01:39:29   then I come back home and the whole time [TS]

01:39:31   I'm leaving my laptop open all night [TS]

01:39:32   long I like to upload you know the [TS]

01:39:34   iCloud photo stuff right and then I come [TS]

01:39:36   home and look at her iMac and there all [TS]

01:39:37   the pictures all the edits that I did on [TS]

01:39:39   vacation are basically there except for [TS]

01:39:41   a few stragglers and then I leave both [TS]

01:39:43   computers like on and connected to Wi-Fi [TS]

01:39:44   for a couple you know for like eight [TS]

01:39:46   hours to make sure okay guys we're all [TS]

01:39:49   in Sigma P said this [TS]

01:39:49   point my photos are only on the laptop [TS]

01:39:53   like I've had to overwrite I brought two [TS]

01:39:55   SD cards with me but I had to overwrite [TS]

01:39:57   one of them right so I don't even have [TS]

01:40:00   the SD cards as the backup photos are [TS]

01:40:02   only on the laptop and the laptop is [TS]

01:40:03   pushing out to the cloud and then I want [TS]

01:40:05   them to be pulled down from the cloud [TS]

01:40:07   onto what's supposed to be by a [TS]

01:40:08   canonical computer which is the iMac [TS]

01:40:10   normally after I'm a hundred percent [TS]

01:40:11   sure that no one is doing me syncing and [TS]

01:40:13   everyone is all in the same page and [TS]

01:40:14   everyone's got all the original quality [TS]

01:40:16   images on two computers and they're [TS]

01:40:17   backed up a hundred times only then can [TS]

01:40:19   I turn on up to my storage on the the [TS]

01:40:22   laptop or more likely I'm just going to [TS]

01:40:24   you know delete that account on the [TS]

01:40:25   laptop whatever because there's a [TS]

01:40:26   temporary thing but I'm really like the [TS]

01:40:29   thing with Mac Mini I would love to have [TS]

01:40:31   a solution like that if I had the disk [TS]

01:40:32   space and another Mac to throw at it [TS]

01:40:34   but in general I don't I want my backup [TS]

01:40:36   my backups to use different software [TS]

01:40:38   than the regular functioning of stuff I [TS]

01:40:41   think for a while I also had it on my [TS]

01:40:43   Mac on my Mac Pro the same thing without [TS]

01:40:45   in my storage on but not to my storage [TS]

01:40:47   is to to blunt of an instrument like I [TS]

01:40:50   wanted to I want some control over the [TS]

01:40:52   optimized storage I don't want to be [TS]

01:40:53   like will almost feel you're just giving [TS]

01:40:54   back off I would love to say optimized [TS]

01:40:57   storage and never get bigger than X size [TS]

01:41:00   right or so I don't know something to [TS]

01:41:02   let me have more control or like keep [TS]

01:41:04   the originals for the last X months or [TS]

01:41:06   years yeah for that you can start our [TS]

01:41:08   coven you know stuff like that but also [TS]

01:41:10   to clarify by the way that Mac Mini that [TS]

01:41:13   hosts this full size library that [TS]

01:41:15   everything it has is also back up to [TS]

01:41:17   Backblaze yeah so there were always [TS]

01:41:21   people in chat asking so I figured let [TS]

01:41:22   me save myself a week of email just say [TS]

01:41:25   that's also backed up too late [TS]

01:41:26   yeah that's why it's I scuzzy speakers [TS]

01:41:29   at that place doesn't do network discs [TS]

01:41:30   so you need you know direct attached [TS]

01:41:31   storage that's exactly it [TS]

01:41:33   yeah and I have a feeling I don't think [TS]

01:41:35   photos dot app would appreciate being on [TS]

01:41:38   a network disk either anyway yeah if I [TS]

01:41:40   were starting over honestly if I were [TS]

01:41:42   starting over today with like large [TS]

01:41:43   stories like this I would not get an ass [TS]

01:41:45   I would just get I would just have like [TS]

01:41:48   have another Mac somewhere or another [TS]

01:41:50   computer somewhere in your house that's [TS]

01:41:51   you know small speck inexpensive and [TS]

01:41:53   just plug in a few large external hard [TS]

01:41:56   drives and call it a day [TS]

01:41:58   because and and then because then you [TS]

01:41:59   can have things like Backblaze backing [TS]

01:42:00   it up and [TS]

01:42:01   I have found that I don't you know [TS]

01:42:03   unlike Casey like Casey you you use [TS]

01:42:05   crazy cool features of the Nast like [TS]

01:42:07   with its built-in apps I use none of [TS]

01:42:09   them in practice like i the the Nass to [TS]

01:42:11   me is just a giant external hard drive [TS]

01:42:13   box you don't even use Plex on it no I I [TS]

01:42:16   use Plex on that Mac Mini actually yeah [TS]

01:42:18   that's the same setup I have on my iMac [TS]

01:42:20   so I don't use Plex on the device but I [TS]

01:42:22   mean I don't really do that much with [TS]

01:42:24   the Synology although I didn't want to [TS]

01:42:26   interrupt John earlier but I was [TS]

01:42:27   surprised that you don't have the [TS]

01:42:29   Synology hosting a VPN for you so you [TS]

01:42:31   can like easily get to any device on [TS]

01:42:34   your network and force all of those [TS]

01:42:36   things to be uploaded you know yes [TS]

01:42:38   analogy is not accessible to the [TS]

01:42:39   Internet because it just it's a peace of [TS]

01:42:42   mind thing like Synology and [TS]

01:42:43   network-attached start like you can't [TS]

01:42:45   reach I can't reach it no one can reach [TS]

01:42:47   it from the internet I feel better that [TS]

01:42:48   way I don't have any access to my home [TS]

01:42:50   network from outside like I have [TS]

01:42:52   anything like you know any kind of like [TS]

01:42:54   dynamic DNS thing or any kind of like [TS]

01:42:57   forwarded screen sharing or VNC I have [TS]

01:43:00   no access to my home network anything I [TS]

01:43:02   want to do that I don't want to access [TS]

01:43:04   when I'm out on the go I have to either [TS]

01:43:05   access it through sync services like [TS]

01:43:07   Dropbox or if I really need something I [TS]

01:43:09   can pull a file off a back plays but [TS]

01:43:11   that's it all right is that good enough [TS]

01:43:13   after sure what was I gonna say one more [TS]

01:43:15   thing about my setup that I was gonna [TS]

01:43:17   say so John I guess your vacation how'd [TS]

01:43:23   your vacation go here's all the stories [TS]

01:43:25   of a disk space my folks [TS]

01:43:27   I mean you know my vacation is like it's [TS]

01:43:31   for the kids and everyone to go to the [TS]

01:43:32   beach and hang out and you know me [TS]

01:43:33   taking care of the dog this time is a [TS]

01:43:35   little bit of added hassle and stress [TS]

01:43:36   and lots of waking up early but I take a [TS]

01:43:39   lot of pictures like it you know I just [TS]

01:43:41   well I brought both cameras cuz you [TS]

01:43:42   gotta have a backups but I just used my [TS]

01:43:44   new Sony camera didn't even use my super [TS]

01:43:46   zoom at all super zoom was just there in [TS]

01:43:48   case I dropped the Sony in the ocean I [TS]

01:43:49   successfully did not drop it in the [TS]

01:43:51   ocean once again I brought a new zoom [TS]

01:43:54   lens for it which is longer zoom but a [TS]

01:43:57   crappier lens but it was cheap then I [TS]

01:44:00   used last time and it was alright I used [TS]

01:44:03   most of the lenses I brought with me [TS]

01:44:04   it's a lot took lots of pictures got [TS]

01:44:05   some good ones but that's a lot of my [TS]

01:44:07   beautification series I take a lot of [TS]

01:44:09   pictures and then I edit them and mess [TS]

01:44:12   with them and post a couple Instagram [TS]

01:44:14   in general I don't post pictures of like [TS]

01:44:16   pictures of my relatives who don't want [TS]

01:44:17   to be featured on my Instagram and [TS]

01:44:19   really don't post most pictures of my [TS]

01:44:21   family alone now that my kids are older [TS]

01:44:22   I post a few pictures of them here and [TS]

01:44:24   there but yeah this is my the heaviest [TS]

01:44:27   photography time of the year most if you [TS]

01:44:29   look at when the most pictures taken by [TS]

01:44:31   far it's these one or two weeks that I'm [TS]

01:44:33   long I will come home from the ocean one [TS]

01:44:35   day and I'll have 1600 pictures [TS]

01:44:36   obviously I'm not keeping all posts I'm [TS]

01:44:38   deleting a lot of them but that's what [TS]

01:44:40   it looks like secret to good photography [TS]

01:44:42   as far as I've been able to determine so [TS]

01:44:43   far take a huge number of pictures and [TS]

01:44:45   then delete most of them yeah the secret [TS]

01:44:47   to give a target for you is lots of bad [TS]

01:44:48   photography yeah so I'm definitely doing [TS]

01:44:51   that what else that lens wise yeah I [TS]

01:44:53   still don't have a really good zoom that [TS]

01:44:56   I like because good zooms are really [TS]

01:44:58   expensive and really heavy and it's like [TS]

01:44:59   I'm just resigned to the fact that I [TS]

01:45:00   will you know the smaller and you know [TS]

01:45:03   my my 50 millimeter prime is still my [TS]

01:45:06   favorite lens but that's not gonna cut [TS]

01:45:07   it at the ocean and so as you as I get [TS]

01:45:09   more flexible the image quality goes [TS]

01:45:11   down and the size and weight go up and [TS]

01:45:13   I've mostly accepted that but I'm still [TS]

01:45:15   it's a pretty happy with my camera got a [TS]

01:45:17   lot of good shots out of it and like I [TS]

01:45:19   said didn't drop it in the ocean so [TS]

01:45:20   that's key yeah I mean they're basically [TS]

01:45:22   there is no good zoom like there every [TS]

01:45:25   zoom is is a giant compromise and at [TS]

01:45:28   least one factor either you're [TS]

01:45:30   compromising image quality severely in [TS]

01:45:33   order to get something reasonably sized [TS]

01:45:34   and reasonably inexpensive or you are [TS]

01:45:37   having really great image quality but [TS]

01:45:40   then the thing is massive and probably a [TS]

01:45:42   pretty small zoom range and probably [TS]

01:45:44   very expensive like it's you can't there [TS]

01:45:47   it's just impossible to make a great [TS]

01:45:49   zoom lens that has a large range and is [TS]

01:45:53   reasonably priced and it's reasonably [TS]

01:45:54   small you just can't do it well in one [TS]

01:45:57   brief dog story so I've been training uh [TS]

01:46:00   to come one called like on you know in [TS]

01:46:03   in adverse conditions when you really [TS]

01:46:04   want it to happen like for example when [TS]

01:46:06   all the other dogs in the Dog Fart run [TS]

01:46:08   to the mud puddle and get covered head [TS]

01:46:10   to toe in you know muddy water right and [TS]

01:46:14   literally changes the colour of the dog [TS]

01:46:15   and you don't want your or do that [TS]

01:46:16   that's the time when you want to and [TS]

01:46:18   every dog wants to go to the nub bottle [TS]

01:46:20   they all start hitting there and all the [TS]

01:46:21   orders like no that's when you need the [TS]

01:46:24   come one called thing to actually work [TS]

01:46:27   I call my dad today I used that was it [TS]

01:46:30   today today yesterday exactly that [TS]

01:46:32   happened you know I told her to come she [TS]

01:46:35   came I was exciting right [TS]

01:46:37   but I found limits to that on vacation [TS]

01:46:38   because she was out in the backyard and [TS]

01:46:40   we let her loose for a little bit and [TS]

01:46:41   she's wandering around usually where she [TS]

01:46:43   does the Sun rabbit turds and eat them [TS]

01:46:44   because they're delicious [TS]

01:46:46   well this time okay but this time she [TS]

01:46:50   found a dead bird and I didn't know what [TS]

01:46:53   she had found I started getting into [TS]

01:46:54   something and I called her to come over [TS]

01:46:55   and she comes running towards me she [TS]

01:46:57   gets about three inches from my hand or [TS]

01:47:00   I'm about to like grab her collar and I [TS]

01:47:02   see the wing of the dead birds think I'm [TS]

01:47:04   a small bird this is a pretty [TS]

01:47:06   significant bird that's in her mouth [TS]

01:47:07   that's like you know and she gets close [TS]

01:47:09   to me and she sees that I'm gonna reach [TS]

01:47:10   for the collar and she's like I'm out [TS]

01:47:12   turns the other direction runs away as [TS]

01:47:14   fast as she can I run after his front [TS]

01:47:17   yard like I run after her I eventually [TS]

01:47:19   catch up with her she as far as I can [TS]

01:47:21   tell swallowed that bird whole like just [TS]

01:47:24   you know dig the thing out of her mouth [TS]

01:47:26   like so many things that I dig out of my [TS]

01:47:28   dog's mouth that I don't want her to [TS]

01:47:29   have she just you know like full like [TS]

01:47:32   Python lizard just slurp down like whole [TS]

01:47:35   dead bird beak feathers everything [TS]

01:47:39   that's dogs for you so she will come [TS]

01:47:42   when called when all the other dogs are [TS]

01:47:44   running to the mud puddle but she gets [TS]

01:47:45   dead bird just like I have made the [TS]

01:47:47   mental calculation and whatever treat [TS]

01:47:49   you're going to give me for coming when [TS]

01:47:50   called does not match this dead bird so [TS]

01:47:52   dead bird wins [TS]