The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► so you use the it's a 15 inch know you [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► have but you know you have the the [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► escape with the 5k and the escapes [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► clamshell close its back to a 15 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► remember I know I make it hard to keep [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► track [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► I can't keep track holy shit on a 15 [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► touch bar I'm a 15 touch bar which I [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► never actually used the touch bar and [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► that was because all the ports it was [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► partially because of the ports it was [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► partially because I tried the first few [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► weekends I was spending here I used the [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► the map book escape with the 5k and it [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► was struggling to drive all those pixels [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► like basic operations like window [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► dragging was slow and and then and I I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► did want more performance if it was [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► gonna be like my main computer for a [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► month of heavy iOS development you know [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► then I rationalize it away by saying [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► well then when I go home I can bring the [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► LG 5k and I can sell my iMac while it is [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► still under any kind of warranty it has [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► like it's I think it's under warranty to [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► October and then you know use my [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► clamshell with this but instead of I [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► have now as my main set up until the Mac [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► Pro comes out next year so I have [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► appropriated a second 4k monitor which [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► is a story that's not worth telling at [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► the moment so I have two of these LJ 4k [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► monitor LG for the Duchesse ALJ LG 4k [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► monitors that are now being run off of [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► my pre touch bar MacBook Pro and to be [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► honest it actually seems just fine with [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► these now granted there for K not 5k [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► it's a big difference but it seems just [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► fine with two 4k s however I have [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► forgotten how persnickety and and fickle [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► Mac OS is when it comes to clamshell [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► mode there are lots of times that all [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► like I put it to sleep and I open it up [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► and it spurious and sometimes doesn't [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► wake up I don't put it to sleep and I [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► just rip all the cables out and I walk [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► away and it goes to sleep and then may [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► or may not wake up I'll open the lid and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► I'll rip all the cables out then [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► everything just dances all over the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► place and then it may or may not [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► actually be the way I want it to be its [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► clamshell is not really what we should [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► be doing with these things which is [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► unfortunate because I do like it when I [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► have either you know a 5k is you have or [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► like a couple of for K's like I have and [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► say what like as [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► I've been using clamshell here at [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► vacation times and I completely agree [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► like it's been a while since I've used [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► just a laptop with Mac OS at like laptop [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► with a desktop screen connected to it [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► like it's been a like I used to do it [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► all the time I used my my main setup but [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► that was probably a good six seven years [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► ago at least and I had forgotten like [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► quite how just inconsistent a lot of the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► stuff is like it just it doesn't work [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► right and that le now with the touch bar [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► it's even worse like every time I log in [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► the text box won't show on the main [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► screen I think you start typing because [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it's the laptop is waiting for touch ID [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► but it's closed and so on the big LG [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► screen it just shows me a login window [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► and it will not show the text area [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► unless you start typing it's like weird [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► little stuff like that it's just it's [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► just not it's not good I really honestly [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I'm rethinking my plan now of like [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► getting rid of my iMac early I'm like oh [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► god this is this is awkward [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► not to mention like this lg screen is [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► such a piece of crap really [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► I rented a vanity for like it's not I [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► mean so one thing is I had to get an [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► Ergo Tron arm because the stand is so [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► wobbly [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► it just kept wobbling like every time I [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► would like type on my keyboard I don't [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► think I'm I'm that aggressive of a [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► typist but every time I would type on [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► the keyboard my monitor would wobble [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► back and forth but yeah yeah LG is it's [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► it's a piece of crap it's just it's not [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► a good it's it's a PC monitor it has [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► crap speaker that has crap frame around [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► it it's you know it had that stupid [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► interference problem with the early ones [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► like it's just not a well engineered [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► piece of anything and I I don't expect [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► to be buying more non-apple monitors [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► there if I can help it alright so this [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► is a weird setup for tonight it is [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► currently the evening of Friday the 4th [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► of August and we are going to do a [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► marathon recording session and we need [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► to get this week's which probably won't [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► be released until tomorrow on the fifth [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► Saturday the 5th of August this week's [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► recording which will probably be a [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► mostly normal ATP recording and next [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► weeks which will be released on or [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► around Wednesday the 9th we are going to [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► do a [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► bit of Q&A probably for most of what [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► ends up being the second episode but we [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► are recording these both back-to-back [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► and we may or may not have a cleaned [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► separation between the first episode in [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the second depending on how aggressive [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► Marko gets when he does the slicing and [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► dicing so I have so many ideas I can [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► only imagine this is like I'm thinking [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► like so my two favorite ideas are either [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► we do like next week on a TP like one of [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► those like previous or we do like the [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► classic cop-out of like I don't know how [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► to end this song in the 80s so I'm just [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► gonna fade it out I'll just be repeating [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► the same sentence over and over again [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► and just slowly fade way to spoil your [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► two best ideas I hope you don't put this [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► in the episode so anyway so this one it [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► might feel this one in the next one I [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► should say might feel slightly weird and [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► I apologize if that's the case like we [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► had mentioned I think on the last [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► episode between the three of us we have [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► planned our vacations to not overlap at [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► all which is kind of unfortunate for [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► times when you want to make sure all [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► three of you are here to record so we're [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► doing the best we can we apologize and [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► thanks for bearing with us [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► that being said John how was your beach [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► vacation it's fine beat that I would [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► have guessed let's talk about TSM C's [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► ten millimeters excuse me ten nanometers [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► versus Intel Intel's 10 nanometers and [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► we had somebody in the know right in and [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► that person said you know I work for one [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► of the companies involved and they might [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► be biased but I like the show this is [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► this person talking and I just wanted to [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► point out that like so many other things [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► in technology naming of processed notes [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► has become more marketing than reality [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► so there's an article that talks about [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► this and one of the recent tricks [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► continues this anonymous email or one of [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► the recent tricks is to quote a distance [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► between features that are not [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► electrically active so this allows you [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► to quote a small number but of course [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► doesn't do much for increasing [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► transistor debt then [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► and another person in a Julian Heather [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► Bell wrote in to say that TSM sees ten [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► nanometers is only a bit denser than [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► Intel's 14 so Intel claims a three-year [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► advantage on ten nanometers and wants to [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► redefine everything we have another post [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► about that and yet another post which [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► will put them show notes about how Intel [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► may still be set to lose process [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► leadership after next year we're gonna [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► race you in a hurry you got somewhere to [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► be we have two episodes to fill here [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► stretch it out you know do you know the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► TV stretch out motion looks like you're [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► pulling taffy doing the opposite you're [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► doing the the fingers rotate bring it [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► together yeah yeah get it together [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► do you really need to try hard to [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► stretch out follow up apparently we do [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► because Casey's going for a speed run [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► again let me know there will be three [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► links in those show nuts if you want to [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► read more about this but the upshot is [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► that a lot a lot of people rose to say [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► hey until 10 nanometre isn't gonna be [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► way smaller than TSMC Nana made 10 [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► nanometre and there's a lot of reasons [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► for that and feature size is not very [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► strictly defined as this couple is [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► emails pointed out you know you can [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► quote-unquote cheat by quoting distances [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► that are in meaningful recording [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► distances that make your particular [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► arrangement look good because again [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► these are when they're laying out the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► things on the chips it's a 3d [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► arrangement of things there's a layering [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► vertical horizontal you know it's it's [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► three-dimensional it's not just like [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► even though it's done with you know with [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► ography it's not just two-dimensional [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► like a drawing it's actually a 3d shape [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► and it influences what the distances are [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► between things anyway it's complicated [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► but consensus was from all the different [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► feedback and all that in articles that [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► TSMC ten millimeter is not as small as [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► until ten nanometer tint also has a lead [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► and that final link is like well maybe [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► they have lead now but they're gonna [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► lose it and in 2019 and later and I [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► guess we'll see that was still fairly [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► quick thank you very much but you're [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► right we should stretch it out so Steven [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► Dean wrote in to say I can't even [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► continue with it I thought you were [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► struggling to pronounce his name even [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► Dean that one's really difficult so [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Steven wrote in to say you're missing a [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► lot of your movies sound [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► without a subwoofer your atoms only go [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► down to about 86 Hertz which is normal [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► cutoff for a non full range can you [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► translate that into English for me yeah [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► so basically you know speakers because [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► they are these giant moving things and [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► everything there's a certain frequency [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► range that they're able to reproduce and [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► and what he's saying is that the low end [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► of the frequency range of the woofers [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that are in my paradigm atom speakers [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► are they can't reproduce very very very [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► low frequencies and subwoofers have a [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► lower floor they can reproduce [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► frequencies much lower and and that is [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► certainly one reason to have a sub [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► woofer I think a better reason to have a [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► sub woofer is to get like more bass [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► energy you know more you can get more of [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► that thump more of that slam I'm like [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► and you know base hits and sounds and [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► stuff and you can just also just get [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► more volume and more spread that's [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► probably a better reason to have it [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► honestly but my my reasons for not [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► liking subwoofers and not really wanting [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► one remain I designed my TV speaker [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► setup to be really good for music in a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► way that still is okay for TV and I [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► think for music I still largely prefer [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► two speakers not surround and for that [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► to be not with some like big booming [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► thumpy subwoofer you know on in the [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► corner of the room now I know it there [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► are ways to do it better [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► however the arrangement of my living [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► room is such that I don't really have a [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► good place to put a subwoofer or maybe [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► even a pair of subwoofers that would [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► make any sense and that would sound good [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► so you know it lots of people have [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► written in saying you know you can put [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the subwoofer in good places there are [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► good so but you know there are more of [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► that more you know more ways to do it [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► and then when I said last time and that [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► is true you know in an ideal world but [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► my living room is on an ideal world and [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► so I have limitations of of you know [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► what I can put where how much space I [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► have in the current arrangement how [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► things need to look because we don't [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► want everything to just be this one like [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► giant box so you know my setup is fine [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► for me and if you want subwoofers and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► you were set up or if you want surround [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► sound and your setup cool I don't really [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► mind either [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► I don't know how the setup is good for [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► music if you're giving up 2286 hurts [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► that entire frequency range that's it [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► that president music - it's not just [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► movies explosions that have it you know [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► I mean all the things about volume [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► obviously yeah maybe you want to [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► exaggerate in a movie but just plain old [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► music music has bass - I know you don't [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► like bass you're doing your own reviews [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► but that's not true i I don't like when [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► basses all you hear and and so while [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► again I agree that it would be nice to [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► have you know solid response across the [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► whole frequency range in practice that's [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► hard it's easy it's way easier doing [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► headphones than it is and speakers [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► headphones you only have one driver and [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► you can you know you can do a lot of [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► even easier things with it but you know [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the speakers you have to have like large [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► things that depend on the arrangement of [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► your room and and large boxes and large [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► transducers of some kind that vibrate up [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► and down and just get a home pot it will [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► figure out how your room is arranged and [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► make sure everything sounds okay [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► I actually really curious to hear how [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► the home pod deals with bass because [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► basically it's one of those things it's [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► kind of like the it's kind of like how [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► it's hard for very very small camera [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► sensors to do things that require big [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► glass bass reproduction is one of those [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► things where like at some point you kind [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► of just need largeness like you need [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► like a large surface to vibrate slowly [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► to get some of that you know and and so [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's very very hard for any kind of very [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► small speaker to have good bass response [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► that's why once the trend moved in [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► computer speakers and then later on home [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► theater speakers once the trend moved to [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► very very small speakers they also had [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► to add subwoofers because the little [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► tiny speakers would reproduce the higher [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► frequency it's just fine but then they [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► needed to add a sub woofer to get the [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► low frequencies and there was no way to [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► make like a small speaker that could [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► also do the low frequencies so the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► Amazon echo definitely has this problem [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► where the bass on it it's non-existent [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► although the sound quality isn't very [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► good anyway on it so maybe they just [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► don't care but the home pod I would [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► imagine they're gonna care a lot about [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► sound quality so I am really curious to [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► see how they solve that problem if they [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► solve that problem or if they just you [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► know crank up the bass in in DSP in [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► wheaton within the speaker like [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► artificially inflate the little bit of [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► bass they have and just hope that's [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► enough and call today what was the [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► biggest driver in the home pot it was [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► like four inches or six inches or [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► something I don't know I have I sleuth [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► it up six inches is pretty big the whole [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► thing is not that big so we know it [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► can't be it's not bigger than than the [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► pot itself that's a pretty small little [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► thing but yeah I can't yeah can't be [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► that big of a speaker in there it's kind [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► of a shame that you know it was a [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► question I had about them and I still [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► have that although I think it's mostly [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► been answered if you buy two of them [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► like they recommend it's not as if they [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► act like stereo speakers it seems like [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► they both just figure out how to best [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► fill the room with sound but each one of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► them it's not like one is the left [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► speaker more it's the right and [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► similarly one is wooden doesn't just [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► become the sub you know I mean like [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► imagine if one could just do the low [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► frequencies and it looks like a little [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► subwoofer anyway looks like a jellyfish [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► but apparently they don't work that way [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► when when we were living in Connecticut [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► so this is when I was in like high [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► school and dad had decided that he [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► wanted to take his home theater really [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► seriously and so not only did we have [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► some subwoofers somewhere in the corner [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► of the room but he actually installed I [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► believe the term was based shakers or at [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► least maybe maybe that's a brand like a [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► xerox thing and what is that a [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► proprietary eponym or whatever it is but [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► anyways basically under the floor of the [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► room the the TV room there were a [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► handful of basically vibrator motors [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► like you would find in your phone just [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► much bigger and they were wired into [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► like the amplifier and acted as like [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► ancillary subwoofers so you would [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► literally feel explosions when you were [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► watching movies is pretty cool at the [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► time magic fingers right I'm sure that's [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► a reference and I don't get it but I'm [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► just gonna roll with it these terms all [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► sound really gross and the modern [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► parlance it's a book the local furniture [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► store that has an IMAX theater this is a [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► normal thing if you are from where I'm [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► from oh my god has a thing called butt [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► kickers oh yeah it's not similar yeah [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► they call them butt kickers thing in [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► everybody seat that shakes you it's it's [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► novel it is novel that's well put also [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► Marco I want to commend you for being [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► okay with not perfection [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► because I completely agree with you like [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► it is unequivocally not perfection to [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► not have a subwoofer [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► to be okay with that it's kind of [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► freeing well it's the best it could [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► possibly be okay again it's the living [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► room set up right leg first of all that [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► is mostly not you it was mostly used for [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► TV I still wanted to sound very good for [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► music but it honestly is mostly used for [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► TV and and it sounds very good enough [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► for TV for us and like I even run this [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► by tiff like when we start having all [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► these discussions and everyone's telling [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► us you have to get a center channel you [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► have to you can't you can't use the [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► stereo mix it's terrible I asked him [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► like hey you wanna do other stuff it'll [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► apparently sound betters like no that's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it just no and okay really I don't [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► either so I don't even know why I'm [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► asking so there you go no we don't want [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► it but yeah I do understand it would be [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► better but there are there are different [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► factors here also like you know how we [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► want it to look how we actually use it [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► how we actually live you know so that's [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► different when it comes to my headphones [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► on the other hand right I actually [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► recently bought a second pair of my [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► awesome best headphones in the world [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► headphones the hi-fi man he6 [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► because they they were discontinued a [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► couple years ago and you kick him [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► anymore so I actually bought a used pair [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► on a forum that was in really like [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► brand-new condition basically and so now [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► I have a backup of those and of course I [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► brought one here so because we're in the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► middle of a huge long a huge run of new [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► fish shows I'm not gonna listen to that [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► on my crap headphones I want to listen [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► with my awesome headphones so here I am [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► right right in the middle of a huge run [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► of fish shows that before you finish [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► that census like it's like are the fish [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► spawning are they coming up onto the [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► shore and if you get into your house [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► like now nope eh of course [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► well yeah well only one of them is good [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► but is this a thing that happens is like [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► the weather like during the summer [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► that's when the fish shows come [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► Christmas Island crabs they just crawl [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► across the landscape and though there [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► was fish they surely you know the credit [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► am I getting the reference Christmas [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► Island crabs am I getting that right - [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► you know zone no I'm talking about your [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► I see us yeah you're asking the wrong [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► persons person versus people's [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► I think people's the word Rams if you [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► have never googled Christmas Island [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► crabs you need to do that after whatever [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► caused the show Google Christmas on [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► crabs you should watch the videos and [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► look at some of the pictures then come [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► back oh my gosh you have to keep doing [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► the show oh my god what is that what is [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► going on why are they doing this that's [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► when the fish comes and that's the [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► representation of gigabytes of live [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► music of oh my god there's waves and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► waves of these things and see waves is a [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► very good song there's like three lyrics [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► I'm just just a lot of guitar oh my god [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► yeah got your meat stick right here we [TS]

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00:20:15 ◼   ► a lot of a lot a lot of people write in [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► with opinions about bicycles who knew [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that so many people who listen this show [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► at opinions about bicycles but there are [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► a lot of people that do and one of the [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► things that was striking to me and I [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► wasn't really paying close attention to [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► the feedback to this because quite [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► frankly I don't care however a ton of [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► people a ton of people wrote in to say [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► that Eila bikes that's is LA which is [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► apparently a UK company so this is [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► www.hyken.com [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► all right exactly so anyways almost [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► unanimously almost everyone who wrote in [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► said oh you should get an Iowa bike [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► they're the best they're expensive but [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► they're the best so I actually took a [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► note that when Declan is of age we need [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► to look at these I love bikes because [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► there was not a single person that said [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► oh don't get in Iowa they're overrated [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► but no everyone said get them so we'll [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► put a link in the show notes to their [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► uk-based website and then what is this [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► video that I presume John put we did get [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► tons of suggestions at first when they [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► first started coming in like boy we'll [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► have lots of links for the show notes [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► I'll put links to all these people's [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► recommended bike manufacturers but then [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► there were just too many like there were [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► just too many things so is buy we just [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► won't move the grd rules Iowa bikes got [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the most recommendations second most [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► recommendations was whoom bikes wo om [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► bikes calm I think they have a us [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► location because the URL have here is us [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► thought one bikes calm there were a ton [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► of other places these are both obscure [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► some people are recommending less [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► obscure things like REI and specialized [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► but a lot of anyway bottom eyes people [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► are finding bikes that they find [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► satisfying but we'll just put these two [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► links in if you're looking for ones that [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► the majority of parents and/or bike [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► nerds recommending them it was these two [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► yeah well and and there were there were [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► a ton of bike recommendations for what I [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► should get like not just what I should [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► get for my son but also what I should [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► get I think what I what I'd have decided [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► and this is based on not actually riding [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► any of these yet what I want is very [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► very low maintenance and simplicity so [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► there I basically came down to a few [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► things that that became things I really [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► consider requirements that end up ruling [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► out most of what people recommend also [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► preferences so you know because I'm like [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► do be moved if I'm riding in a beach [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► town for instance I wanted like two inch [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► tires not the little skinny one-inch [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► ones that are better for like going fast [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► on roads [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► I want big two-inch one so that it's [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► more comfortable it's better you know [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► better if I like have to go on the edge [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► of one of the walks and go into a little [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► packed sand for a second I won't [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► immediately just like stop and fall over [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► like a skinny tire might you know it's [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► so like stuff like that so basically my [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► list of requirements became I want [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► something that could accommodate two [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► inch tires with fenders and the big ones [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► are I want belt drive instead of a chain [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and I want there to be no God I don't [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► know how to pronounce [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► do you really order a yearly whatever [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► that thing is [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► yeah whatever the thing is that moves [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► the gears you want you want an internal [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► internal geared hubs and a belt drive [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► you're so you're so trendy like you've [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► never you've never had a bike with any [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► one of these things but you already know [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► that you want them because somebody told [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► you that belt drive is better than a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► chain internal well ok first of all [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► because the bike I have here now that [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► came in the house in the basement is you [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► know a rusty old mountain bike that has [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► a derailleur and rusty a chain yeah but [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► what but when they work they work fine [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► believe me they're fine no it's not no [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► it's not fine [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► because because now we have better [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► things like it was fine when I was a kid [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► when I had my mountain bike rounds like [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► in high school [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► modern bikes would derail as I swear to [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► you are absolutely fine there and don't [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► use your credit file whatever I didn't I [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► haven't used them either I can't say [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that they're bad I'm just saying like I [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► don't don't pull them as hard fast [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► requirements they're really funny things [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► John is that they now have bike CVTs oh [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► my god yeah look up NuVinci [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► and it's it they have there's a CVT [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that's it's like about this it seem like [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► it's about in the same price tier as [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► decent like 11 speed internal hub I just [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► thought like oh my god if I get a CVT [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► John will die like I will never hear the [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► end of it you know it'll be well you [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► already I mean I was just thinking about [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► this the other day both of you are [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► slowly slowly fading from the manuals [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► Marco doesn't even have anymore Casey [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► well I guess you just replaced an on [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► manual with an my manual but still [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► exactly I'm the only one who's holding [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► strong here anyway you take your CVT and [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► just pretend it has gears just like the [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► software does in most modern cars and [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► it's making noises yeah so basically so [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► my short list right now I'm still [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► looking at various things some of the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► some of the headliners are priority the [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► priority company and actually ordered [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► our priority coast to have here at the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► beach house for like a general purpose [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► bike because we have lots of people here [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► TIFF wants to ride one also so I figure [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► I'll get this try it out it's belt drive [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► fixed gear coaster brake so it's very [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► simple it's also fairly affordable it's [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► like 400 bucks so I'm getting that to [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► try it out at the high end if I get into [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► this and I want a nice bike probably for [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► home I am very very taken by the button [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► it's bicycles or I don't I assume it's [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► Browns button it's they're pretty [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► expensive but they're very nice and that [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► they basically make exactly what I want [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► so I'm gonna try to find a showroom and [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► try one of those out if I want a nice [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► bike for home it's probably a little [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► expensive for the beach so for the beach [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► I'm looking at priority honorable [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► mention for Breezer and Electra everyone [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► recommended these two brands and I would [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► like to investigate them like to see [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► them neither of them really make what I [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► want like they don't have all those [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► things as a combination but yeah both [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► Breezer and Electra look really really [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► good also everyone says Trek you know [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► there's a reason why Trek is so big and [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► well-known I find the amount of branding [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► on Trek spikes a little bit garish like [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► they like across like the diagonal bar [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► and the frame it just has those giant [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► letters to say trick like I don't really [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► want that like I want something a little [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► more low-key and subtle which we get a [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► Cannondale yes they do yeah like and [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► yeah so like again like wanting a belt [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► drive internal gearing 2h tires and [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► minimal branding [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► that rules out a lot of people suggest [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► so I will I will follow up if I if I buy [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► anything more I'm gonna do the priority [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► for the you know for the next few days [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► and then you know whatever it arrives [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► try that out and then if I love it [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► I'll just use that if I hate it it'll be [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► the tif slash spare bike here and I'll [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► keep Wow know she wants more question is [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► why do you why do you want fenders [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► because of the drainage on this island [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► is not very good there's often in very [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► large puddles I have to drive through so [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► I just don't want it to splash back up [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► on my back oh and for everybody who's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► sending me the IKEA bike I did look at [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► the IKEA slaughter bike it is belt drive [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► it has internal two-speed gear it is in [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► my opinion one of the most boring [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► looking bikes I've ever seen I would [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► like a bike to have some visual [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► personality it doesn't but not like not [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► to scream its brand name and giant [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► letters on the frame but to have like [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► maybe a color that isn't just black and [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► grey like that would be nice you know [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► some kind of color is the guy who buys [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► black cars my car is bright red mmm this [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► one was although you know what though [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► this priority beach cruiser bike that I [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► ordered it does happen to be white you [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► know it's funny Marco that can happen to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► a person from time to time can't it it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► was the only good color funny how that [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► is Marco you know it can happen to a [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► person from time to time [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► can't it that's funny I can't wait to [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► see pictures of you flow by on Instagram [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► on your delete on your delightful white [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► bike it honestly it looks really good in [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► white white is not a bad bike color [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► it's a terrible car color I think this [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► bike looks super dorky which one the [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► priority coaster I ordered it does yes [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► super dorky this looks like a beach bike [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► to me it's a beach bike yes and this [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► company makes something they make other [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► varieties per these priority bikes they [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► make other varieties that are almost [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► what I want like the the the continuum [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► onyx and the classic Plus Gotham Edition [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► like they're almost what I want but they [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► only have skinny tires and because [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► you know they're made for commuters and [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► stuff so that so yeah that's I'm [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► probably not gonna do that but I don't [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► know anyway so this could be the one [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► with us forever but we are in a huge [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► hurry because we don't have any time to [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► really talk about all these Apple rumors [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► cuz I'm sure no one's heard enough about [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► the MA there's that too we should we [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► should also mention there's one of the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► link in the show notes with regard to [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► bikes huffy apparently is being eaten by [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► Walmart do you want to explain this John [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► this is actually tangential to the [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► larger Walmart it's a lot of stories [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► about what is ruined by companies [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► involved them pivoting to sell to super [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► stores because that's where all the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► money is and then having to make [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► crappier and crappier things and getting [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► squeezed by the super stores that demand [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► that you take smaller and smaller profit [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► margins and that's this huffy store is [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► actually something different it's for [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► huffy got into deal with Walmart and [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► didn't realize how many bikes they'd [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► actually sell through Walmart and they [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► couldn't actually manufacture them so [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► they they let their competitors [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► manufacture them and sell them don't [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► make the money from them anyway Walmart [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► is bad and we all feel bad but this is [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► another bit of feedback from Ryan Ricard [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► you said that uh Schwinn and Mongoose [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► both pivoted to be bargain-basement crap [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► for Walmart and Target you know a lot of [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► these companies the name remains kind of [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► like atari or commodore like the [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► Mongoose name remains but it shares [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► nothing with the brand of my youth you [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► know everything about it [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the way the bikes are designed what [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► they're made of what where they're [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► assembled what their target market is [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► everything is just you know so yeah [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► that's a shame and you can kind of tell [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► why he's looking at him but yeah super [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► stores yeah and yet another thing super [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► stores have tried to ruin bicycles I'm [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► sorry John this is what it is John would [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► you like to say face on your Christmas [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► story line that you tried to quote ATP [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► references uh do me the favor of looking [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► at it's from IMDB and I always like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► here's what it whenever I look up movie [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► quotes a lot because I want to get them [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► right it's important for me to get them [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► right and to revalidate the correct [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► memory because very often I have a lot [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► of movie quotes in my head and they [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► mutate over time as you repeat them they [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► change a little bit and so like 15 years [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► and according something you're like [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► super duper sure it's one way [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► cuz you've said it a thousand times [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► right but it's changed like through a [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► game of telephone only it's been inside [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► your head the whole time right and so [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► it's changed inside your head anyway I [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► always want to look them up but they [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► don't trust in the internet texts of [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► someone like oh here's this famous quote [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► from this movie because text is not the [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► movie you know the map is not the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► territory I need to see the video I need [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► to see the clip from the movie and [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► obviously that can be doctored too and I [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► weep for our children who will be able [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► to trust video even less than we do due [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► to the easy ability to synthesize video [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► sorry kids anyway that's progress for [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► you but according to IMDB they up ramble [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► aside the line I was trying to quote [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► last time from Christmas story is the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► greatest Christmas gift I have ever [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► received or ever would receive I think I [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► missed the Hat greatest Christmas gift I [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► had ever received or would ever receive [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► anyway there it is dears with me but I [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► do care awesome that's I should be the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► title of my biography no nobody cares [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► but me but I do care [TS]

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00:34:02 ◼   ► good news is not a lot happened this [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► week no things have happened [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► my friends things have happened so let [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► me do my best job as chief summarizer in [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► chief and kind of do a 50,000 foot [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► summary and then we'll dig him to the [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► details which inevitably means you too [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► will interrupt me and I'm about since [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► three and I will never get to complete [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► my summary but there was a home pod [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► firmware that was posted to the place [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► one would expect home pod firmware to be [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► do you guys say firmware firmwares I [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► would say firmware is the plural you [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► would say firmware is like like [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► software's well that's why I would say [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► growing up but for a fleeting moment [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► there I just thought yeah this should it [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► be firmwares no it shouldn't be Wayne [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► isn't isn't where's how you should have [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► your supposed to pronounce W a are easy [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► oh yes that is true yeah yeah did you [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► ever say it that way in your head [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► growing because I always said Juarez and [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► Mexico no I definitely said where's in [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► my head oh my dad where's to this I was [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► gonna say you should cut this but no [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► this is worth it now alright so anyway [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► so where wherever you would expect the [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► home pod firmware singular yet plural to [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► be is where they found somebody had [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► stumbled across [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► upon firmware download and so a couple [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► of people seem to grab a grab onto that [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► well many people but particularly a [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► couple of people seem to grab on this [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► and start digging it apart a friend of [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► the show can you concentrate we're [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► professionals that's seven second ago [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► joke kiba all right let's bring it back [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► together kids bring it back together so [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► two people really dug into this in [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► particular and the two people were Steve [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► John Smith who is a dear friend of the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► show and gear may Rambo who also did a [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► lot of digging on this and so they found [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► a lot of interesting stuff and the [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► highlights were an image that is for an [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► iPhone that is codenamed D 22 that looks [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► like the image that we've seen off and [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► on of this supposed I phone pro where it [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► seems to be an edge to edge screen [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► there's like a little notch at the top [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► which presumably holds the speaker in [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► the FaceTime camera there was some [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► information about how apparently there [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► will be front-facing IR camera that [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► presumably looks to be for face [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► detection and a bunch of other stuff too [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► but that's kind of the quick quick quick [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► summary so how would we like to dig into [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► this I'll tell you one way we did not [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► want to dig into this is by spring bug [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► spray on our legs earlier so I could [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► we'd whack all the tick infested grass [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► out in front of the house and then [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► coming inside doing a podcast with you [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► fine gentleman putting my hands on my [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► legs and then member my eyes oh that's [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► not wise do you need a moment to collect [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► yourself it's slowly going away I think [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► I might be okay or you might go blind [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► soon next time just accept the bug bites [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► well there's ticks out there oh I'm [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► gonna try not to touch my feet I'm like [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► I was just put it on my legs that way I [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► won't be a problem for the rest of the [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► night like it is when you put it like on [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► your whole body because it's like all [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► you really need for ticks is to put on [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► here on your feet and legs and I found [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► one tick on me I'm Laurie island just a [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► couple days ago and it was not on my [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► legs [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► yikes all right [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► I don't want to hear the rest of that [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► story yeah this sounds super ominous it [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► had not bitten me yet it was still [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► crawling trying to find a place to bite [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► that's good I removed it was prejudice [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► all right so what do we think if d-22 so [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► I think well here's a couple thing so [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► this I don't know if you want to go into [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► the leaking things I guess we're going [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► to that at the end but the information [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► revealed once you leak the home [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► platformer people thinking okay so what [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► who cares they leak the home plot of fur [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► where what the home pods not out yet we [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► already know what it is it's a speaker [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► tourney thing why why would we get any [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► information from that and it's because [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► it runs iOS and iOS has a bunch of crap [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► in it and normally that crap is removed [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► from bills that they release to the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► public even in the betas they remove all [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► the stuff that they don't want you to [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► see what might they not want you to see [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► icons frameworks you know the names of [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► symbols programmer e-type stuff and the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► people who pulled down this home plot [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► firmware you know extract that stuff [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► they look at all the frameworks and look [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► at the names of the frameworks and the [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► names of the functions and the symbols [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► that are in them they look at all of the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► resources for different kinds of icons [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and graphics and and stuff like that it [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► appears and dialog boxes and in the UI [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► and you can learn a tremendous amount [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► without even executing any of this code [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► just because it happens to be iOS and [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► this bill doesn't help that stuff [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► excluded from it so we learned learned [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► quote-unquote a lot of interesting [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► things just by looking at the framework [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► commands and the symbols and this is the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► whole frameworks having to do and you [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► know classes and methods having to do [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► with things about face recognition and [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► recognizing different kinds of faces and [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► why would that be in there well we are [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► have the rumors are better recognized in [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► your face you put two together and you [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► say that's probably what that is down to [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► the point where you're looking at like [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► attributes and classes that say like in [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► said and border-radius and stuff that's [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► sort of confirming the idea that the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► entire edge to edge screen will be [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► addressable with sort of curves around [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► the edges you know and classes that [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► might indicate how they might handle the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► home button at the bottom of the screen [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► and displaying things there and stuff [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► like that so it's it's kind of tea leaf [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► reading in that we don't have any actual [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► leaked hardware for the phone or [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► anything like that where we just have is [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► a bunch of symbols it functions but if [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► you're a program [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► and you're familiar with uikit and the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► rest of iOS and just programming in [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► general you can kind of piece together a [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► surprisingly detailed picture of how [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► this new phone might work based on the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► iOS that was released as part of the [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► home pod you know home pods OS release [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► and so it's kind of a weird kind of a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► weird leak but it just goes to show that [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► like anything on the internet you don't [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► like it security through obscurity is no [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► security at all it never has been but in [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► the age of the internet even even less [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► so but I was I was fascinated to see the [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► slow leak of people pulling out all the [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► different details of the OS to the point [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► where there was really good blog post by [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► Allen pike where he put so it puts it [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► all together and says based on [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► everything that we've seen here's one [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► way that I think the theoretical phone [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► might work from a software perspective [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► so we've got Hardware rumors and then [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► we've got a link of the home pod thing [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► and then we from that synthesize this [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► entire complete picture of one way that [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► the the OS might work now [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► it could be entirely wrong it could be [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► you know something different than this [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► but I was pretty impressed by this to [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► say you know just the normal parts leak [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► that you get plus a bunch of class dumps [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► and icon files and now we have like a [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► complete iPhone Pro possible scenario [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► supported by all the available leaked [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► evidence though I think it actually is [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► pretty cool if they don't do this I hope [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► they do something just as cool because I [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► read this thing I'm like that a makes [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► sense B fits with everything that we've [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► been leaked and C is pretty neat yeah I [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► completely agree yeah I mean like this [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► it does like I I'm not a fan of the idea [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► of this weird cutout into the screen [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► with the cameras and everything like I [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► don't I don't like that it seems like a [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► weird hack but if they're going to do it [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► this looks like a really cool way to do [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► it like with the the whole idea of [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► having a split status bar such that [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► basically you it's almost as if the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► screens not cut out it's almost like if [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► applications don't really have access to [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► that area or if you only get it in [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► things like over scroll areas [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► navigation bars and stuff like that then [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's still weird but it's a clever it's [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► a clever hack it's a good question about [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► things like where the clock goes and [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► what about a stuff that won't fit in the [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► cutouts like there's a lot in the status [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► bar these days things like not having as [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► much on Android though well that's true [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► yeah I was just about to say the same [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► thing oh my goodness looking at my [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► co-workers Android phone Android phones [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► that have just a mountain of icons up [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► there a new Android phone that I just [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► saw like at fresh out of the box no [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► weird stuff on the Samsung Android phone [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► 100 icons in the status bar I may be [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► overestimating but only slightly it's so [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► true it's like a ticker-tape of icons [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► and I think it's I think it's bad it's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► like a Mac user you've ever seen in your [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► officers 100 icons of the menu bar Casey [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► oh no I have fewer than most thank you [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► very much you just start heating on the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► ISTEP menus that I have up there but no [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► I like the the fact if you have to [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► install bartender which I'm sure is a [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► very great app if you have to install [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► bartender you have bigger problems my [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► friend then then just moving some of [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► them out of your menu bar like you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► should just get them out into Oh God I'd [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► hate apps that for some any bar icon of [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Trajan Hana's oh so actually I've [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► derailed myself looking at the topless [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► notes I mean look looking at the symbols [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► and everything and having face [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► recognition symbols like that is not a [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► big a slam-dunk as people think if we [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► didn't already have the face recognition [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► rumor there's all sorts of weird symbols [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► on there and maybe wouldn't ship maybe [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► it's not ready like we didn't see we [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► didn't see the internal builds of iOS 10 [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► for all we know these symbols could have [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► been in there in iOS 10 they just didn't [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► make the cut you know or something like [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► that or whatever right but we have all [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► those other rumors about being face [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► recognition so this you know but it all [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► adds up right the other part of this [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► though is all the rumors about that a [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► little unibrow thing a little notch to [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the cut I mean we talked we saw a little [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► notch thing I think we talked about it [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► when we're talking about touch ID being [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► on the back and how they're gonna do a [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► screen thing edge to edge and what they [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► can and can embed in the screen and [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► apparently they can embed like the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► cameras and if there's gonna be an IR [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► sensor and the speaker and blah blah so [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► this is not CH I think one of you may be [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► Marco thought it was the not just [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► doesn't seem like an apple thing to do [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► way back when when we talked about it [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► you know it's not elegant like you just [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► said before like the notch seems weird [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► doesn't it like it wouldn't it be great [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► if the whole thing was [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► it would be oh but we can't quite pull [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► it off so what can we do well we'll do [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the best we can and leave this little [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► notch right and that's always been the [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► question though Apple wouldn't do it [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► unless they could do the whole screen [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► they're not gonna do a little notch [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► thing kind of like people saying apples [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► not going to put a camera that causes a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► bulge but they totally did because it's [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► more worth it to have a really good [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► camera than to make the back of a smooth [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► so camera bulge here to stay and so in [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► the home pod firmware at leak there is [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► an icon for d-22 that is just it's not a [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► picture of the new iPhone it is it's an [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► icon like a little vector drawing or [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► whatever other thing but it has to look [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► like carnac that's let you know by [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► looking at this little icon this is the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► phone we're talking about so if just [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► basically like a rounded rectangle I [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► imagine for the seven and seven plus [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► sizes right but this one has the notch [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► in it and it's the only thing in it it [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► is a rounded rectangle and the only [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► distinguishing characteristic Oh than [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► the width and height and the border [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► radius is the knotch [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► and so this is a pretty hard [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► confirmation of that notch because [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► they're not waffling about whether it's [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► give me a notch at this point there's no [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► this this icon is in there and it [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► doesn't seem like they would have this [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► thing and the codename d-22 is right on [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► what you expect it to be so this thing's [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► gonna have a notch and that's weird [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► and that's it's like the camera bump but [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► even worse it's not as bad as touch ID [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► on the back but it is a weird thing to [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► do and so you know Apple rumors are that [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► this this all screen OLED phone has been [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► in the works for a long time and not [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► them say it's behind schedule but I bet [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► Apple would have loved to ship it last [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► year but they couldn't it wasn't ready [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► it now it's ready they're going with the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► notch so for me from this leak the most [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► important thing about it is notches it [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► go get ready get ready for not you're [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► ready to love the notch get ready to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► deal with the notch get ready to fix [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► your application that gets screwed up [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► when the notches they're also on a press [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► conversation about hey they change the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► dots to be bars you think they did that [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► to get make room for the notch I think [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► and it was like wow maybe but we didn't [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► know if this is gonna be a notch well [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► it's gonna be a notch so no more dots [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► back to bars makes perfect sense I think [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► what I like about this leak though is [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► that it gives us enough to be really [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► interested in this but there's still so [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► much that we don't know that we're only [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► going to know once we see the software [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► running on this phone but we're probably [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► we're almost certainly not going to see [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► before the event so like even though [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► like leading up to this we we had the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► idea of a lot of the major themes of [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► this device leading up you know for [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► almost the last year in all the rumors [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► and everything but we didn't know many [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► specifics and most of the most of the [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► things we that we'd see like leaked or [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► rumored or talked about here and there [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► would be very vague and very unsure of [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► themselves and oftentimes conflicting [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► and so now even though this is now like [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► pretty strong evidence of it being a [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► certain way and so some of that surprise [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► is now kind of spoiled what we have now [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► learned you know and again it's not like [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► knowledge it's not it isn't the fact it [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► isn't a guarantee it's just very strong [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► evidence in a certain direction [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► but what this you know nearly confirms [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► is not something that we is was totally [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► unknown to us like there were rumors of [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► all these things there were rumors of [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the notch there rumors of the face [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► detection type stuff and depth cameras [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► and everything like all that stuff what [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► was rumored for months and that and that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► was already becoming the dominant [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► narrative of the rumors that was [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► becoming like where most of them were [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► were kind of coalescing and gathering so [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► it didn't actually spoil much surprise [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► it just kind of like says all right this [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► group of the rumors which was already [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► the predominant ones this is probably on [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the right path but there's still so many [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► questions that it's still very [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► interesting to us and most of those [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► questions are not going to be answered [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► until the event they added some [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► information to like again with the [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► symbol dumps stuff that we wouldn't have [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► known normally until the keynote because [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► is software based right so there's a [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► bunch of symbols having to do with [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► apparently the camera detecting what it [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► is you're taking a picture up you're [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► taking a picture of person is it a plant [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► it is a son is it a sunset is it you [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► know whatever it might be [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► most modern regular cameras have [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► something oh I can tell it's portrait [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► versus landscape as I do simple face [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► detection but this was way more detail [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► my friend a link to put all things but [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► it was like figuring out in a fairly [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► detailed manner what it is you're [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► looking at and what we'll do with that [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► information besides putting the word hot [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► dog or not hot dog on the screen like [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► presumably you can adjust the camera [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► based on what it's looking at I get that [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► good [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► it could metadata tag them or something [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► I mean who knows but like those symbols [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► are in there for you know and there's [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► all sorts of other stuff about face [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► detection or we assume that face [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► detection where is that the face is half [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► covered the face is smiling or frowning [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► or like all tons of symbols that only [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► make sense if if this phone with these [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► set of sensors on it can figure out way [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► more about what it's looking at whether [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► it's looking at it to take a picture or [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► looking at it to unlock your phone or [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► whatever all these symbols indicate that [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► there surely features somewhere in iOS [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► 11 running on this phone that are based [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► on the camera having a much richer [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► awareness of what's going on around it [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► also including like presence detection [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► are you in front of the phone or [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► whatever so that I think added [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► information none of that stuff had been [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► rumored like wow you know we the rumors [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► that oh it's gonna have camera and a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► notch and an IR sensor and face [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► detection unlocking that's all the stuff [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► that would leak but but the key note [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► would be like oh and also now that we [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► have all those sensors you know we can [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► do we can know when you take a picture [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► of a dog and tag it with dog and make [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► this the smart search easier when you [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► search for dog even if you took a [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► picture of the tip of the dog's tail we [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► you know we figured that out and like I [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► don't like features like that are things [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► normally we don't get to see until the [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► day up so I think this is one of the [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► biggest software leaks that has ever [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► happened to Apple because I think it [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► reveals potentially so much about stuff [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that they're gonna demo that they just [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► assumed no one would know about because [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► in general the software doesn't leak [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► this I mean this is this is legal stuff [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► this is a pretty big leak in terms of [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► just oops [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► like we didn't mean to put this build [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► there by the way people wondering why [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► why is this build accessible at all home [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► pods have been testing on Apple [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► employees and other people who were in [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► the know have been testing home pods for [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► a long time and they have a feed for [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► software updates but that is a fee that [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► is not accessible to the general public [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► is only accessible to Apple employees [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► right someone made a mistake and took [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► the firmware that's supposed to go in [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► that feed it's only accessible to Apple [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► employees and put it on the public [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► facing one and that is a pretty big [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► mistake like it's kind of like taking [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► you know I don't know like iOS 11 before [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► any of the betas came out and putting it [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► on a publicly accessible URL on the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► Internet and again it's security through [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► obscurity it's like what [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► you put something on a URL it's [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► accessible Internet as long as no one [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► knows the URL it's like people are [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► randomly typing in URLs to guess where [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► your thing might be that's exactly what [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► they're doing and that you are always [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► guessable because you just replace the [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► word TV with the word audio in an [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► existing URL for the TV OS updates and [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► guess what you got this and somebody had [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► a really bad day at Apple and I feel bad [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► because you know it's you're human you [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► make mistakes it just goes to show all [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the security and all these billions of [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► dollars they spend you know it's not I [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► don't think there's some malicious just [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► someone someone made a mistake we don't [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► like a snake sometimes you leave a phone [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► in a bar sometimes sometimes you upload [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► the the unredacted version of the new [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► iOS that includes all the secret symbols [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► for your new super secret phone onto a [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► public URL and so I feel I feel kind of [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► bad but I'm also kind of excited about [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► exactly how much we were able to mine [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► out of this and like Margot said and [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► still and still we're not sure still we [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► have to wait for the keynote to see [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► which things are which it's a it's a [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► little bit of spoiling Christmas morning [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► to know how you know because I can [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► extrapolate so many things that could [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► possibly be there and the keynote will [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► just be a narrowing but still pretty [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► exciting do you um I don't have the link [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► handy but there maybe it was now ins I [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► don't think it was though but anyways [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► there was someone who was critiquing no [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► was a different UI designer critiquing [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► what do you do with the knotch and [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► there's like one of the approaches he [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► approaches is you pretend the notch [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► isn't really there and one of the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► approaches is you embrace the knotch and [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I think it was Steve trout and Smith [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► that was saying oh I say embrace the [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► notch you know make it visible make it [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► plain but from what I see on like for [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► example Alan's post where it's just a [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► big black bar and presumably this is [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► OLED so it would just kind of all blend [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► in and there would just be this big gap [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► in the center of the black bar but you [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► wouldn't necessarily be able to tell [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► very well what was there I think I like [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► that at a glance more than this like [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► embrace the notch make it white to the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► left and the right of the knotch what do [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► you guys think about that let's start [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► with Marco totally with you [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► I think the design that makes the parts [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► left and right of the not just black it [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► makes it look like a big status bar that [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► and to me is by far the best-looking [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► option here [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► and that is the one matter I think they [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► should and hopefully will do but there [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► is there is a risk I don't know if it's [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► a big risk there's a risk that the [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► desire to have these like over these [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► like overflow areas these over scroll [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► areas in the UI some wonder how like you [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► know when I was seven ever since I was [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► seven you've had like if you have like a [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► navigation bar or a tool bar in an [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► interface you could you have like the [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► blurred version of the scroll view in [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► the middle kind of under hanging though [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► like the top and bottom like it kind of [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► overflowed in those areas as you scroll [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► I can see maybe the Apple UI designers [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► wanting to do more of that with this [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► newfound screen real estate and to have [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► the to have these new areas both the [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► little tabs next to the status bar and [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► also the new like presumed home button [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► area at the bottom I could see those [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► becoming just over scroll areas but I [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► hope they don't do that I hope if [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► anything if they want to do that just [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► make at the bottom one and not little [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► tabs on top because having this big like [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► you know file card shaped UI I think [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► looks weird I don't like having those [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► two tabs at the top be visibly like [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► light-colored UI I think it should just [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► look like a big status bar and you [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► shouldn't even really really really [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► think about the notch most of the time I [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► agree so as I think it was Steve drought [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► and Smith pointed this out but I think [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► as well the thing that we extracted we [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the thing that has been extracted by an [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► industrious hackers from the firmware is [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► an icon of the phone and it's supposed [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► to be identifiable so you look at that [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► you know oh they're talking about [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► whatever the iPhone Pro or the iPhone 8 [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► or wherever this thing's gonna be called [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► so it needs to be a recognizable symbol [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► at small sizes and the only [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► distinguishing feature of that icon is [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the knotch [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► so for in order to be able to look at [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► that and say oh that means my phone [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► which is the purpose of the icon that [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► knotch has to be a distinguishing [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► visible cat or visual characteristics of [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► the phone as far as the users are [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► concerned otherwise that icon is not [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► useful for identifying it so that could [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► be as simple as okay well it works [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► exactly like you guys were just [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► describing when you use it like it we [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► pretend it's not there and just like the [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► status bar but the lockscreen [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► for example when we show your big [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► lockscreen picture that shows with the [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► notch all the time because that would [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► make you know that's your first [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► experience of turning on the phone you [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► know we're seeing the lock screen or [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► whatever that oh it's got a notch right [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► if the knotch goes away when you launch [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► apps you still recognize it as the phone [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► with the notch because that's what you [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► see when you first turn it on but I [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► think at the very least Apple is [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► embracing the notch to the degree to the [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► degree that this icon is representative [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► it doesn't mean you're gonna see it the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► whole time you're using it inside [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► applications but it does mean that [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► they're embracing it somewhere probably [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► in the lock screen maybe also in [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► springboard maybe also I mean I'm trying [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► to think of you know if developers [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► wanted to could they addressed it in [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► show video and the knotch [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► like overflow video bleeped like who [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► knows how far it availables would be [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► able to go but it seems clear to me that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► Apple in the same way they essentially [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► embrace the camera by saying we're not [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► hiding it it's there it's a camera bump [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► look at it there's gonna be a notch and [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► I think there has to be at least some [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► context where the notch is absolutely [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► visible and distinguished and a [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► distinguishing characteristic to people [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► I also would prefer like both of you [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► alright fine I see the notch I get your [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► branding I can identify my phone but [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► once I'm using the application don't you [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► know I know I don't need it doesn't need [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► to be emphasized you can make it [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► disappear with a nice status bar [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► hopefully that's up to developers if [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► developers want to do something fancy [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► with the notch maybe they can and the [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► same way you can mess with the status [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► bar in weird ways to varying degrees and [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► although I couldn't change the color of [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► the status bar to anything you wanted [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► back in the old days and they kind of [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► clamped down on that no you could never [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► you could have it be like white or black [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► but you could never have it be arbitrary [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► colors you could have a translucent one [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► and kind of put like a window behind it [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► you know to make it kind of fake to kind [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► of fake it but I don't know of any apps [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► that really ever did that with any [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► success yeah and I actually you know [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► either way they go with this I think the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► bottom part of the screen is actually [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► more interesting that gets into what [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► Allen Pike was talking about so the top [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► line we assume it's a status bar and [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► there's some interesting things you can [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► do by you know getting you know going [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► bleeding the pixels up higher on the [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► screen because this it's almost edge to [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► edge especially if you incorporate [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► dodging to the status bar but the action [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► happens down at the bottom where all of [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► a sudden you've got all the screen [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► where there used to be a hardware home [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► button and of course you can draw a [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► software home button there but you've [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► got all this other space where you can [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► draw things to what might you use that [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► for and one of Allen Pike suggestions [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► take your UI navbar wherever that class [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► is called [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► and take the current awkward arrangement [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► with lots of white space and take those [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► navigation controls like done or edit or [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► whatever those little words that are up [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► in the corner that are hard to reach in [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► your big phone and shove them down next [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► to the home button because now that's [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► all a screen and it's actually easier to [TS]