The Accidental Tech Podcast

236: Irresponsible Use of Infinite Terabytes


00:00:00   live from Wednesday night it's a TV I [TS]

00:00:03   feel like if I had watched Saturday [TS]

00:00:06   Night Live more frequently I would have [TS]

00:00:07   rift on that whole announcer spiel you [TS]

00:00:10   would have realized how badly he mangled [TS]

00:00:12   the quote in reference live from [TS]

00:00:15   Wednesday night from Wednesday night [TS]

00:00:18   that's the plan [TS]

00:00:19   live from New York they're definitely [TS]

00:00:22   not from Wednesday yeah fair enough or a [TS]

00:00:24   Saturday I have some pre-show [TS]

00:00:26   announcements gentlemen first of all for [TS]

00:00:30   the next few minutes I am a single [TS]

00:00:31   parent so it is possible that I will [TS]

00:00:34   need to depart if Declan wakes up as he [TS]

00:00:37   has done recently although usually at [TS]

00:00:39   2:00 or 3:00 in the morning explaining [TS]

00:00:41   to me that he doesn't want to be asleep [TS]

00:00:44   and that he wants to be awake hmm been [TS]

00:00:46   there so if so if I disappear [TS]

00:00:48   momentarily that would be why and before [TS]

00:00:51   any parents in the room email me to say [TS]

00:00:53   oh you need a sleep to wake alarm we [TS]

00:00:56   have one you have a nice little alarm [TS]

00:00:58   clock that will turn green when it's [TS]

00:01:00   time for him to wake up and even though [TS]

00:01:02   I think of him as a I was gonna say [TS]

00:01:05   reasonably smart kid but you can't tell [TS]

00:01:07   it in almost three so as as a not [TS]

00:01:09   moronic kid even with that said he seems [TS]

00:01:13   to forget in the middle of the night [TS]

00:01:14   that the green light is not yet on and [TS]

00:01:16   that he needs to go the fall asleep [TS]

00:01:18   which by the way it's a great bedtime [TS]

00:01:19   story it's so we have that same alarm I [TS]

00:01:22   have two other parent friends who have [TS]

00:01:24   that same alarm for their two different [TS]

00:01:25   children all of the children regard that [TS]

00:01:28   alarm as simply one input a suggestion [TS]

00:01:30   yeah yeah it's advice the advice oh it's [TS]

00:01:36   not green it's okay well I want to be up [TS]

00:01:38   now and I want to go bother my bother [TS]

00:01:39   mom dad so you know it's like it is [TS]

00:01:42   simply one input of many and they will [TS]

00:01:44   choose to ignore it whenever they feel [TS]

00:01:46   like it isn't a matter of your kid being [TS]

00:01:47   smart or not smart you'll get it [TS]

00:01:49   perfectly smart enough your kid is as [TS]

00:01:51   smart as all the other kids who've had [TS]

00:01:53   these same alarms and said well it's not [TS]

00:01:55   green but I don't care and it doesn't [TS]

00:01:58   really matter so I'm gonna go in there [TS]

00:01:59   anyway I think it worked on my son [TS]

00:02:01   we have thought the same thing well we [TS]

00:02:03   didn't even try it on my daughter [TS]

00:02:04   because just personality-wise food would [TS]

00:02:06   be useless in fact we had to remove all [TS]

00:02:08   clocks with still no clocks no room we [TS]

00:02:10   had to remove all clocks in my room [TS]

00:02:12   I guess she would she would stare at [TS]

00:02:14   them and be like you know whatever her [TS]

00:02:17   bedtime was and like five minutes after [TS]

00:02:19   I'm still awake and then so she'd be [TS]

00:02:20   there like it's 134 and I'm still awake [TS]

00:02:22   it's 247 and I'm still awake she were [TS]

00:02:24   just stared and then obsess about the [TS]

00:02:26   fact that she's still awake so we had to [TS]

00:02:28   remove all clocks from room we haven't [TS]

00:02:29   put them back yet that was years ago we [TS]

00:02:31   haven't put them back yet but probably [TS]

00:02:33   we could but then again maybe not [TS]

00:02:35   yeah so he actually does do a pretty [TS]

00:02:38   darn good job in the actual morning time [TS]

00:02:41   when we really don't want him to like [TS]

00:02:44   get fussy or anything like that before [TS]

00:02:47   it's time for him to get up but in the [TS]

00:02:49   middle of the night like Marco said it [TS]

00:02:51   seems to be but a recommendation and [TS]

00:02:53   nothing more and so that's been the [TS]

00:02:55   festivities of late but that's actually [TS]

00:02:57   not the big announcement the big [TS]

00:02:59   announcement is we have moved and by we [TS]

00:03:02   I mean just me and I mean just the [TS]

00:03:04   office from one room in the house to [TS]

00:03:05   another but talk about burying the lede [TS]

00:03:08   yeah right if if if I sound like garbage [TS]

00:03:12   don't blame Marco blame me I've put up [TS]

00:03:15   some sound deadening material on the [TS]

00:03:17   wall directly behind my 27-inch [TS]

00:03:19   reflective glass but I may need more [TS]

00:03:23   okay see god sake why did you move well [TS]

00:03:26   because we need we need a place for a [TS]

00:03:29   baby yeah okay congratulations it's [TS]

00:03:33   about damn time [TS]

00:03:34   yes Oh guess what Aaron's pregnant and [TS]

00:03:37   that's super exciting and and based on [TS]

00:03:39   your recent car purchase we can conclude [TS]

00:03:40   she's having sex droplets is that it [TS]

00:03:44   exactly right now there's only one baby [TS]

00:03:46   in there as as we as has been confirmed [TS]

00:03:49   numerous times but anyway suffice to say [TS]

00:03:51   I've relocated rooms this room is bigger [TS]

00:03:54   potentially more echoey [TS]

00:03:56   maybe less eques who knows so Marco made [TS]

00:03:58   me really really have some fun to do on [TS]

00:04:01   this edit with what is the the toolchain [TS]

00:04:03   that that has like the thing that that [TS]

00:04:05   magically erases john's air-conditioner [TS]

00:04:07   well there's a number of tools that can [TS]

00:04:10   do that that I have used in the past [TS]

00:04:11   audacity has the most basic one for free [TS]

00:04:14   it's basically it's like a noise profile [TS]

00:04:16   remover so you like select some of the [TS]

00:04:18   recording that's just the noise you want [TS]

00:04:19   to remove like when no one's talking you [TS]

00:04:21   just hear the background noise and then [TS]

00:04:22   you say alright profile this and then [TS]

00:04:24   you select the whole recorder and say [TS]

00:04:25   remove [TS]

00:04:26   that noise from this whole recording so [TS]

00:04:28   audition does it audacity does it the [TS]

00:04:30   one I've been using most recently is the [TS]

00:04:32   iZotope rx that says has a number of [TS]

00:04:36   other tools as well and that thing is [TS]

00:04:38   amazing it is it is not cheap but if you [TS]

00:04:42   process audio I need to remove annoying [TS]

00:04:45   background noise or echo or headphone [TS]

00:04:48   bleed or hum or so many other things I [TS]

00:04:51   have not found anything better than [TS]

00:04:52   iZotope Rx it is really something else [TS]

00:04:55   well congratulations on the reason you [TS]

00:04:56   moved and don't worry about the audio [TS]

00:04:58   will figure it out yeah so yeah thanks I [TS]

00:05:01   forgot that we had we had talked about [TS]

00:05:02   this in the post show that I think it [TS]

00:05:04   was like the post post post post show [TS]

00:05:05   last week and it didn't even cross my [TS]

00:05:07   mind that that probably didn't make the [TS]

00:05:09   released recording so yeah I guess what [TS]

00:05:11   Aaron's pregnant and so far everything [TS]

00:05:13   everywhere everything and everyone seems [TS]

00:05:14   healthy and we're super excited about it [TS]

00:05:16   and we'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:05:18   with a little bit of background [TS]

00:05:19   information about that in an adorable [TS]

00:05:21   picture of Aaron and Declan so for the [TS]

00:05:23   people who are just gonna listen to the [TS]

00:05:24   podcast [TS]

00:05:25   the gender is sealed in an envelope in [TS]

00:05:29   case you don't don't want to know no we [TS]

00:05:36   haven't [TS]

00:05:36   yes well no but when we were told to [TS]

00:05:44   turn around so the so the technician can [TS]

00:05:47   figure out what the gender was that took [TS]

00:05:49   suspiciously little time so we'll see [TS]

00:05:53   that that indicates to me that it was a [TS]

00:05:55   suspiciously short amount of time to to [TS]

00:05:57   prove a negative but you never know so [TS]

00:06:00   we'll see what happens [TS]

00:06:02   my my kind of Farmers Almanac tale or my [TS]

00:06:07   experience which is a hundred and fifty [TS]

00:06:09   percent anecdotal and I recognize that [TS]

00:06:10   is that if if the woman tends to carry [TS]

00:06:13   all of the baby like in the tummy area [TS]

00:06:16   and doesn't seem to get any bigger [TS]

00:06:18   anywhere else that seems to generally [TS]

00:06:20   speaking be a boy this is completely [TS]

00:06:24   anti-scientific no science in any way no [TS]

00:06:29   no there's no science involved this is [TS]

00:06:30   all this is ball is ball every bite [TS]

00:06:36   I was like when the child was conceived [TS]

00:06:38   and definitely a boy is that do you know [TS]

00:06:40   what that's relate no not really [TS]

00:06:42   I tell you uh Kate's story so if she we [TS]

00:06:46   went in for one I guess was the the [TS]

00:06:47   first ultra time where you gonna [TS]

00:06:48   actually find out and I said do you want [TS]

00:06:49   to know and we said yes and I said it's [TS]

00:06:51   a girl I'm like great cuz we're gonna [TS]

00:06:52   have a boy snow I've wanted you so great [TS]

00:06:54   okay then but that how actually you [TS]

00:06:56   responded great like we were in for like [TS]

00:07:02   another ultrasound I guess later in the [TS]

00:07:05   pregnancy whatever you like dude like [TS]

00:07:06   the routine second one over I don't know [TS]

00:07:08   but anyway later we're in is already [TS]

00:07:10   we'd like oh you know picking out girls [TS]

00:07:12   things and thinking of girls names and [TS]

00:07:14   stuff like that we going front later and [TS]

00:07:15   they're like oh looks like it's a boy [TS]

00:07:17   and like they told us it was a girl last [TS]

00:07:22   time you like that boy and then the [TS]

00:07:24   person looks closer and like maybe right [TS]

00:07:28   maybe there was just a thumb and so and [TS]

00:07:32   they're like all right anyway [TS]

00:07:33   everything's fine you're doing like and [TS]

00:07:36   so that you know let me know that it's [TS]

00:07:40   not it's not an exact science first of [TS]

00:07:41   all anyway she came out she was totally [TS]

00:07:43   girl it was fine but not just a little [TS]

00:07:45   bit yeah there's no confusion but [TS]

00:07:50   ultrasounds it's a confusing picture and [TS]

00:07:52   yeah it takes some skill and experience [TS]

00:07:54   as a technician to interpret that as [TS]

00:07:56   anything and you know a thumb or a toe [TS]

00:07:59   ends up in the wrong position with the [TS]

00:08:01   baby ultimate setup you people get [TS]

00:08:03   confused but both people on their [TS]

00:08:05   initial proclamation sounded very very [TS]

00:08:07   sure and the only reason the second [TS]

00:08:10   person kind of hemmed in hard after was [TS]

00:08:12   because we said wait a second we've had [TS]

00:08:14   like a month and a half of thinking this [TS]

00:08:16   is gonna be a girl and now you tell me [TS]

00:08:18   boy yeah so you'll find out or you'll [TS]

00:08:22   have in my situation it's like well [TS]

00:08:24   sometimes the baby is resting in sexual [TS]

00:08:26   way in sexual position and you see [TS]

00:08:28   something that makes it very very clear [TS]

00:08:30   and it couldn't really be anything else [TS]

00:08:31   and situations like well aren't really [TS]

00:08:33   supposed to tell you yet but I'm like [TS]

00:08:34   but yeah what's that and they're like [TS]

00:08:35   well you know so yeah so we asked the [TS]

00:08:41   technician you know to put it in an [TS]

00:08:42   envelope seal it in and we are not the [TS]

00:08:45   kind of people that want to do like a [TS]

00:08:46   gender reveal party I understand it's [TS]

00:08:48   very that's [TS]

00:08:49   be popular and fun and whatever but it's [TS]

00:08:52   not really for us we just wanted to be [TS]

00:08:55   able to change our minds in the future [TS]

00:08:57   so if we if we so desire and so we have [TS]

00:09:00   a sealed envelope with the gender in it [TS]

00:09:02   and both of us are very very type a very [TS]

00:09:05   anal retentive so I would say if you [TS]

00:09:07   wanted to make a bet that it's likely [TS]

00:09:09   that we will probably end up opening it [TS]

00:09:11   I'm waiting for somebody to like start [TS]

00:09:13   an ATP pool to see what day it is we [TS]

00:09:16   open it but sitting here now the hope is [TS]

00:09:19   we will hold out until the baby is born [TS]

00:09:21   and we'll see what happens [TS]

00:09:24   in any case say yeah I didn't mean to [TS]

00:09:27   make that the entire pre-show but yeah [TS]

00:09:29   that's the thing so let's start with [TS]

00:09:32   some follow-up and as it turns out the [TS]

00:09:35   follow-up is the Marco show today so [TS]

00:09:38   what yeah you know if you if you so as I [TS]

00:09:44   as I see or hear Marco saying oh I [TS]

00:09:47   should probably open the document by the [TS]

00:09:48   magic of Google Docs I see a new [TS]

00:09:50   personal open up the document it turns [TS]

00:09:52   out it's Marco Arment [TS]

00:09:53   so uh so yes so it turns out that iTunes [TS]

00:09:58   U collections are moving to Apple [TS]

00:10:00   podcast and that got you on I don't want [TS]

00:10:03   to call it a rant but kind of a because [TS]

00:10:05   that implies negativity but kind of a [TS]

00:10:07   you want you got on your soapbox and [TS]

00:10:09   talked about your thoughts for the [TS]

00:10:11   future of iTunes so can you kind of talk [TS]

00:10:13   us through that yeah basically there was [TS]

00:10:14   this little news article last week that [TS]

00:10:16   said that iTunes U which is like the [TS]

00:10:19   kind of educational course collection [TS]

00:10:21   things and iTunes that have been around [TS]

00:10:22   for quite a long time [TS]

00:10:23   remember when was launched it was it's [TS]

00:10:25   not recently right yeah I don't think so [TS]

00:10:28   yeah so anyway so iTunes U content which [TS]

00:10:30   is actually wonderful and and quite [TS]

00:10:31   extensive that has that's been announced [TS]

00:10:34   that that's moving into Apple podcasts [TS]

00:10:36   so the no longer be a separate section [TS]

00:10:38   that it's always been like a section in [TS]

00:10:40   iTunes and now that is moving to Apple [TS]

00:10:42   podcasts and I interpret this as you [TS]

00:10:46   know if it was just this by itself [TS]

00:10:47   that's kind of a weird thing but when [TS]

00:10:49   you when you combine it with things like [TS]

00:10:50   the stopping selling all iPods that [TS]

00:10:54   aren't iOS based and and just some other [TS]

00:10:57   little moves you've seen here and there [TS]

00:10:58   and just timing in general but [TS]

00:11:00   I think this is just one of many signs [TS]

00:11:02   that they are preparing for the [TS]

00:11:06   abandonment or total deletion of iTunes [TS]

00:11:09   probably abandonment if it's re gonna [TS]

00:11:11   sit around forever as like you know in [TS]

00:11:13   the utilities folder for the very few [TS]

00:11:14   you know Knicks used cases that people [TS]

00:11:16   need for anymore but I think iTunes is [TS]

00:11:19   finally being relegated to the dustbin [TS]

00:11:22   of history as it should have been a very [TS]

00:11:23   long time ago and they are I bet in the [TS]

00:11:28   next version of Mac OS not you know not [TS]

00:11:30   the one that's coming out like in a [TS]

00:11:31   month but the one is coming out probably [TS]

00:11:32   next year I bet we're gonna see finally [TS]

00:11:34   I split up of iTunes into brand new apps [TS]

00:11:37   called things like music TV podcasts [TS]

00:11:40   things like that do you remember the [TS]

00:11:42   screenshots for some of the dialog boxes [TS]

00:11:45   saying you know open document in movies [TS]

00:11:47   or something like that do you remember [TS]

00:11:48   that oh this just went through not long [TS]

00:11:51   ago didn't it yeah someone someone had [TS]

00:11:54   found some dialog in some version of Mac [TS]

00:11:57   OS some beta version of Mac OS that in [TS]

00:11:59   response to trying to open a video [TS]

00:12:01   instead of it opening an iTunes or [TS]

00:12:03   QuickTime Player it said do you want to [TS]

00:12:05   open this in movies that's right yeah [TS]

00:12:08   yeah and that makes me think if that's [TS]

00:12:10   real that's why I wish I could still [TS]

00:12:12   find out but I have lost track of it is [TS]

00:12:14   this the case where the replacements for [TS]

00:12:18   iTunes we're kind of almost ready but [TS]

00:12:20   just didn't quite make the cut or is [TS]

00:12:22   this the case where they're not gonna be [TS]

00:12:25   ready for a long time but someone got [TS]

00:12:27   ahead of the game and did the easy part [TS]

00:12:29   which is updating a dialog box or [TS]

00:12:31   something like I'm always trying to [TS]

00:12:33   gauge is how close are we to the death [TS]

00:12:35   of iTunes it's one of those things that [TS]

00:12:38   probably is not people don't care enough [TS]

00:12:41   about it for it to leak like iPhone [TS]

00:12:44   parts so we'll probably just kind of [TS]

00:12:45   find out either when they accidentally [TS]

00:12:47   post a bit if they're not supposed to or [TS]

00:12:50   when someone announces it on stage I [TS]

00:12:52   mean at this point I kind of wonder how [TS]

00:12:55   many people will even care like based on [TS]

00:12:57   how many people still use iTunes I mean [TS]

00:13:00   it'll probably be a big during the tech [TS]

00:13:01   press just because tech press is full of [TS]

00:13:03   old people who remember iTunes right but [TS]

00:13:05   for everyone else is it going to be a [TS]

00:13:07   significant moment [TS]

00:13:08   and what I'm what I'm worried about is [TS]

00:13:10   all the boringly named apps music [TS]

00:13:13   whatever think this would be like music [TS]

00:13:16   movies what else is gonna be TV probably [TS]

00:13:20   podcasts I would bet yeah maybe [TS]

00:13:23   anyway if those apps have to travel the [TS]

00:13:27   same road as the new Photos app did I'll [TS]

00:13:30   be kind of sad because photos just start [TS]

00:13:33   off very anemic and weird and janky and [TS]

00:13:36   it's a little bit better now and it's [TS]

00:13:38   getting a little bit better still in [TS]

00:13:40   high sierra but it was like a big [TS]

00:13:44   regression for my father in terms of [TS]

00:13:45   functionality and just polish and [TS]

00:13:48   everything like it was a super [TS]

00:13:49   simplified it basically looked like a UI [TS]

00:13:51   kid application that was somehow ported [TS]

00:13:53   to the Mac and everything was all [TS]

00:13:54   stripped down and removed and it wasn't [TS]

00:13:57   like tiny and quick and lightning fast [TS]

00:14:00   with that stripping down I was like [TS]

00:14:01   stripped down but also still sluggish [TS]

00:14:02   and annoying and I don't want that like [TS]

00:14:05   iTunes you know we don't love iTunes but [TS]

00:14:08   the functionality that it has for like [TS]

00:14:10   finding a song and playing it more or [TS]

00:14:13   less works and I can just imagine that [TS]

00:14:15   exact same function of typing in [TS]

00:14:16   something in the search box and having a [TS]

00:14:18   narrow this down and having me like [TS]

00:14:19   double-click on a thing to hear it [TS]

00:14:21   adding the photos style lag to every one [TS]

00:14:25   of those operations just a few extra [TS]

00:14:26   milliseconds to make you feel better and [TS]

00:14:29   remove as many controls as possible it [TS]

00:14:31   kind of already removed lock controls [TS]

00:14:32   but remove all the controls that you're [TS]

00:14:34   used to so it's just like a big empty [TS]

00:14:35   blank window where everything is a [TS]

00:14:37   little bit slower than you want it to be [TS]

00:14:39   with less functionality than it had [TS]

00:14:40   before I'm hoping that's not the case [TS]

00:14:43   I'm hoping these new slim down [TS]

00:14:44   applications give us the benefits that [TS]

00:14:47   we want from them being slimmed down not [TS]

00:14:49   just the lack of confusion about like [TS]

00:14:50   this is just an app for playing music [TS]

00:14:52   and you don't worry about anything else [TS]

00:14:53   but that the apps themselves are nicer [TS]

00:14:56   and not they don't just look like hey we [TS]

00:14:58   took the music app from iOS and we put a [TS]

00:15:00   Mac title bar on top of it here you go [TS]

00:15:02   because that will make me sad I think [TS]

00:15:05   the reason I'm kind of looking forward [TS]

00:15:06   to this happening assuming this that [TS]

00:15:08   this is on the table and I think it [TS]

00:15:10   probably is I mean it does seem like [TS]

00:15:12   this is the direction they're moving but [TS]

00:15:14   one of the reasons why I'm interested in [TS]

00:15:17   this is just on a basic level [TS]

00:15:19   I just appreciate seeing significant [TS]

00:15:22   effort into the Mac platform you know [TS]

00:15:23   because it's so it's so easy to look at [TS]

00:15:25   the Apple has operated over the last few [TS]

00:15:28   years and conclude that the Mac is [TS]

00:15:30   really being neglected and there they've [TS]

00:15:33   been a few things in in the very recent [TS]

00:15:35   past like basically in the last year [TS]

00:15:37   they've done a few things that that [TS]

00:15:38   suggest that no the Mac isn't being [TS]

00:15:40   neglected at least anymore maybe it was [TS]

00:15:43   for a little bit but now you know now it [TS]

00:15:44   isn't being a little intense for some [TS]

00:15:46   good stuff that's happening so any sign [TS]

00:15:48   of significant investment into the Mac [TS]

00:15:50   platform which breaking up iTunes and [TS]

00:15:52   rewriting all these things as presumably [TS]

00:15:55   new apps that's a big undertaking you [TS]

00:15:57   know it's it's not like a big [TS]

00:15:59   undertaking at the low level OS level [TS]

00:16:01   but it is a big undertaking for the app [TS]

00:16:03   for you know like the basically the [TS]

00:16:05   applications teams you know and and the [TS]

00:16:07   people responsible for all these media [TS]

00:16:09   apps and their backends any meals like [TS]

00:16:10   that that's a big undertaking and so to [TS]

00:16:13   have that to take that on [TS]

00:16:15   when technically you didn't have to like [TS]

00:16:17   they could just keep iTunes going even [TS]

00:16:20   though it's terrible and they could they [TS]

00:16:22   could you say well it's not really worth [TS]

00:16:23   ever facing iTunes you know and that [TS]

00:16:25   would be disappointed that you know that [TS]

00:16:26   would show that they don't really care [TS]

00:16:27   but the Mac anymore but the fact that [TS]

00:16:29   they seem like they're probably going in [TS]

00:16:32   this direction if they do this that's a [TS]

00:16:34   very good sign for the Mac platform in [TS]

00:16:35   general and then secondarily in regard [TS]

00:16:37   to the actual apps the answer will [TS]

00:16:39   really be it depends I mean a lot of the [TS]

00:16:42   roles of some of these apps like podcast [TS]

00:16:44   there has never been a podcast app on [TS]

00:16:46   the Mac from Apple you know the iTunes [TS]

00:16:48   can play podcasts but that's you know [TS]

00:16:50   it's pretty basic and it's really not [TS]

00:16:52   very well designed for it [TS]

00:16:54   similarly iTunes can also play movies [TS]

00:16:57   and TV shows it pretty much sucks like [TS]

00:16:59   I've done that it's not very pleasant to [TS]

00:17:01   play these things in iTunes again it [TS]

00:17:03   works you can do it but it's not very [TS]

00:17:06   good and then the music part of iTunes [TS]

00:17:08   is this weird [TS]

00:17:11   whatever the multi-headed thing is at [TS]

00:17:13   the Hydra mm-hmm okay [TS]

00:17:15   so it's like this weird thanks reference [TS]

00:17:17   check it's like as weird Hydra of like [TS]

00:17:19   you have like this this entire local [TS]

00:17:21   management thing on with iTunes Match [TS]

00:17:23   that matches your local music to the [TS]

00:17:25   cloud and everything and then you also [TS]

00:17:26   have this Apple music thing which is [TS]

00:17:28   really totally separate and work totally [TS]

00:17:31   separate but it tries to integrate at [TS]

00:17:32   the same interface and the combination [TS]

00:17:34   of Apple music in [TS]

00:17:36   to iTunes with your local music [TS]

00:17:37   librarian because that is a disaster in [TS]

00:17:39   the UI it's so clunky and confusing and [TS]

00:17:42   opens people up to weird bugs and [TS]

00:17:45   accidental data loss and things it's [TS]

00:17:47   it's really not great at all so the idea [TS]

00:17:50   of making a whole new music app I think [TS]

00:17:54   raises the significant question of [TS]

00:17:56   whether it would be Apple music only and [TS]

00:17:59   I think I would prefer if it was because [TS]

00:18:03   to me if they could remove Apple music [TS]

00:18:05   from iTunes and just let iTunes be the [TS]

00:18:09   legacy app that does your local music [TS]

00:18:11   library and has nothing to do that with [TS]

00:18:14   music then the Apple music app could [TS]

00:18:16   finally have its own like coherent [TS]

00:18:18   design that would be way less confusing [TS]

00:18:20   way more lightweight would solve you [TS]

00:18:22   know people's issues with like storage [TS]

00:18:24   and cloud matching and everything by [TS]

00:18:25   basically just not supporting it that [TS]

00:18:26   stuff that would be so much better so I [TS]

00:18:29   hope that's the direction they're going [TS]

00:18:31   I don't know if it will be I will give [TS]

00:18:32   it maybe 50/50 odds if they do this but [TS]

00:18:34   are you saying that you wouldn't be able [TS]

00:18:36   to have a local music collection the [TS]

00:18:38   music I would iTunes stay around forever [TS]

00:18:40   I don't know there are lots of ancient [TS]

00:18:43   os10 at or sorry Mac OS apps that do [TS]

00:18:46   basically stay around forever you know [TS]

00:18:47   many of them are better than the [TS]

00:18:48   utilities folder but you know they're [TS]

00:18:49   all still there so you know if you [TS]

00:18:51   wanted iTunes to be your look immunity [TS]

00:18:52   player fine I can keep your local music [TS]

00:18:54   player also it isn't the only one that [TS]

00:18:56   exists in the world there are other [TS]

00:18:57   local music players for Mac OS and if [TS]

00:18:59   Apple went in this direction with the [TS]

00:19:01   official music app and also iTunes [TS]

00:19:04   basically died eventually over time or [TS]

00:19:06   immediately then there be an immediate [TS]

00:19:09   large market for other people to make [TS]

00:19:10   these apps so I wouldn't worry too much [TS]

00:19:12   about that even like I am a person who [TS]

00:19:14   uses iTunes almost entirely for local [TS]

00:19:17   music and that's not going to change [TS]

00:19:19   anytime soon but I recognize also that [TS]

00:19:23   is like a dying breed and if Apple music [TS]

00:19:26   is able to be its own app and basically [TS]

00:19:28   kick it out of iTunes that's way better [TS]

00:19:31   for both Apple music and local music [TS]

00:19:34   libraries I don't like that idea I want [TS]

00:19:37   the I think just an app just dedicated [TS]

00:19:40   to music like the solution I think is [TS]

00:19:41   not to so it's confusing as you have [TS]

00:19:43   iTunes Match and local files both cloud [TS]

00:19:44   files and it's all confusing in iTunes [TS]

00:19:46   the solution is not to not let people do [TS]

00:19:49   local it's [TS]

00:19:49   make a dedicated music app that you know [TS]

00:19:52   makes it not confusing like so is it's [TS]

00:19:56   better about all the things that we [TS]

00:19:58   complain about items about about not [TS]

00:20:00   respecting your files on disk about [TS]

00:20:02   improperly matching them about not [TS]

00:20:04   respecting your metadata like it has to [TS]

00:20:05   it has to serve the needs of the entire [TS]

00:20:08   range of music you could have you could [TS]

00:20:10   have music that you from your own CDs or [TS]

00:20:13   illegally downloaded or whatever that [TS]

00:20:16   you've carefully tagged and organized [TS]

00:20:18   over many many years you could [TS]

00:20:20   subscription to Apple music all these [TS]

00:20:23   things that could be that and it has to [TS]

00:20:24   it has to respect them and as to you [TS]

00:20:26   know it has to treat them not treat them [TS]

00:20:30   cavalierly and do a good job backing [TS]

00:20:32   things up and be reliable and all the [TS]

00:20:34   things you get a chance to do when you [TS]

00:20:35   start from scratch with a new [TS]

00:20:36   application rather than saying oh this [TS]

00:20:38   is just gonna be an apple ease [TS]

00:20:39   experiment player and we'll let you know [TS]

00:20:42   a third party opportunity to do musical [TS]

00:20:44   because I don't think there's enough of [TS]

00:20:45   a market for there to be you know [TS]

00:20:49   because I just don't think that many [TS]

00:20:50   people have local music collections that [TS]

00:20:52   they care that much about for there to [TS]

00:20:53   be a robust third party music player [TS]

00:20:56   especially if that third party music [TS]

00:20:57   player doesn't support streaming [TS]

00:20:58   services who's gonna make that [TS]

00:21:00   application and say we're just gonna [TS]

00:21:01   sell to the diminishing proportion of [TS]

00:21:05   the user base who have local music that [TS]

00:21:09   they care about like that's not a [TS]

00:21:10   winning even without iTunes in the [TS]

00:21:12   picture at all like that's not a winning [TS]

00:21:14   formula so I really hope they don't do [TS]

00:21:16   that I hope I hope they have a music app [TS]

00:21:19   that does everything that needs to do [TS]

00:21:21   you know I think you underestimate how [TS]

00:21:24   much both Marco and Steven Hackett would [TS]

00:21:26   pay for this sort of managers standalone [TS]

00:21:29   music app but be that as it may it's [TS]

00:21:32   funny because I feel like my heart [TS]

00:21:35   agrees with Marco and left [TS]

00:21:37   if I were calling the shots I would want [TS]

00:21:39   there to be a two different apps like [TS]

00:21:42   let iTunes stick around forever but slim [TS]

00:21:44   it down to be just managing your local [TS]

00:21:46   music library and or iTunes Match and [TS]

00:21:48   and you know obviously there's some [TS]

00:21:49   nuances there but it's just simple for [TS]

00:21:51   the purposes of simplicity let's call it [TS]

00:21:53   that and then have like Marco said a [TS]

00:21:55   brand new Apple music app that's just [TS]

00:21:57   for Apple music and and I think I would [TS]

00:22:00   like that a lot and that's part of the [TS]

00:22:01   reason why I've stuck with Spotify [TS]

00:22:03   even after a from Apple music became a [TS]

00:22:04   thing part of it was because I didn't [TS]

00:22:06   care for much of Apple music in general [TS]

00:22:09   but I also actually liked having that [TS]

00:22:12   separation and continued to like having [TS]

00:22:13   that separation of the music that is [TS]

00:22:15   legitimately mine and the music that I'm [TS]

00:22:18   just renting basically and having Apple [TS]

00:22:21   music versus iTunes would satisfy that [TS]

00:22:24   but my brain even though my heart agrees [TS]

00:22:27   with Marco my brain agrees the John and [TS]

00:22:29   I think that the rightest answer to the [TS]

00:22:31   solution is probably just making iTunes [TS]

00:22:33   or whatever replaces it not crappy and [TS]

00:22:36   have it more eloquently handle remote [TS]

00:22:41   music versus local music etc and the [TS]

00:22:44   other thing I'm really wary of is even [TS]

00:22:46   though I really would love to see iTunes [TS]

00:22:50   either die or get revamped such that [TS]

00:22:53   it's not all things to all people I [TS]

00:22:56   really worry in John you were saying [TS]

00:22:58   this earlier I really worry that we're [TS]

00:23:00   in one of those photos scenarios when [TS]

00:23:02   when all of us was calling for you know [TS]

00:23:04   oh let's replace photos photos is so old [TS]

00:23:06   nobody's paying attention to it let's [TS]

00:23:07   let's let's fix it and then we got the [TS]

00:23:09   fixed and we were all like oh no this is [TS]

00:23:12   not what we wanted and always Ari yes [TS]

00:23:15   yes yes thank you replace iPhoto and and [TS]

00:23:18   obviously it's gotten a lot better but [TS]

00:23:19   it it still was not really what we [TS]

00:23:22   wanted look at what was it Final Cut X [TS]

00:23:23   is that right something like that how [TS]

00:23:34   that one I mean I mean I mean I totally [TS]

00:23:37   did that on purpose anyway I'm so sorry [TS]

00:23:42   to everyone but the point is when Final [TS]

00:23:44   Cut Pro got redone and everyone you know [TS]

00:23:48   was really perturbed about the things [TS]

00:23:50   that were driving on saying unfairly but [TS]

00:23:52   was perturbed about the things that were [TS]

00:23:53   dropped the features that were dropped I [TS]

00:23:55   I fear that we're in a similar situation [TS]

00:23:57   with iTunes and I don't see any way how [TS]

00:24:00   we couldn't be given that iTunes is all [TS]

00:24:02   things to all people and there's so much [TS]

00:24:05   code there and it's what was wasn't a [TS]

00:24:08   Joel on software a Joel Spolsky that [TS]

00:24:09   that wrote a really good post years and [TS]

00:24:11   years and years ago about how you should [TS]

00:24:13   never rewrite anything discussed [TS]

00:24:15   on the show and I said it wasn't that [TS]

00:24:17   good you know like many things that is a [TS]

00:24:19   great rule it's it's a great input when [TS]

00:24:22   you're making a decision but like all [TS]

00:24:24   rules like you have to decide when you [TS]

00:24:27   know how to break them or not and this [TS]

00:24:28   and you know if you say like between [TS]

00:24:31   this release of our products and [TS]

00:24:32   actually is for a product we should [TS]

00:24:33   rewrite the whole thing from scratch [TS]

00:24:34   like well is the product still like [TS]

00:24:36   needing to do the same things like what [TS]

00:24:38   are you really getting out of that [TS]

00:24:39   whereas with this it's like this is the [TS]

00:24:43   needs of these products have changed so [TS]

00:24:46   much over time that keeping them around [TS]

00:24:49   is actually more of a liability in a lot [TS]

00:24:50   of ways and not only from the code but [TS]

00:24:53   even from the design of having this all [TS]

00:24:55   be one app you're not like we're not [TS]

00:24:57   suggesting that you rewrite iTunes from [TS]

00:24:59   scratch we are suggesting that you break [TS]

00:25:02   up this app into like five different [TS]

00:25:04   other apps each of which can be way [TS]

00:25:06   better at solving the problem that it's [TS]

00:25:08   meant to solve than this one app that [TS]

00:25:10   tries to solve all five of these things [TS]

00:25:12   badly so here's my medic concern about [TS]

00:25:14   this whole thing and this is always I [TS]

00:25:16   was trying to think of this while you [TS]

00:25:18   guys were talking and I can't come up [TS]

00:25:19   with something maybe you can my question [TS]

00:25:21   is does Apple still know how to make [TS]

00:25:23   really great mac apps I'm trying to [TS]

00:25:25   think of the last really great mac app [TS]

00:25:28   that Apple made maybe is it is it maybe [TS]

00:25:32   Final Cut Pro 10 and iMovie like that [TS]

00:25:35   when they revamp those because those are [TS]

00:25:37   pretty good right but I'm not sure like [TS]

00:25:40   it used to be you know Apple makes the [TS]

00:25:42   best Mac absent if you're a third-party [TS]

00:25:44   developer try to make your apps as good [TS]

00:25:45   as them and it slowly shifted to be like [TS]

00:25:47   if you want to see the exemplars of [TS]

00:25:49   great Mac applications you have to look [TS]

00:25:50   at third parties because all the first [TS]

00:25:52   party stuff is either not half-butted [TS]

00:25:55   and Marcos parlance but like it's slight [TS]

00:25:57   like for example when they redid [TS]

00:26:00   contacts and notes on the Mac I mean you [TS]

00:26:05   know they're alright they're not bad but [TS]

00:26:07   they're pretty slight right no one would [TS]

00:26:08   say this is a tour de force Mac [TS]

00:26:10   application of the Mac version of notes [TS]

00:26:12   like it's alright you know it's there [TS]

00:26:14   and now all the great Mac apps it's like [TS]

00:26:18   if you want to see an amazing Mac [TS]

00:26:19   application like you know look at look [TS]

00:26:22   at panics you know transmit right or [TS]

00:26:24   something from Omni right where it's [TS]

00:26:26   like a a full-featured beautifully [TS]

00:26:28   designed [TS]

00:26:29   and well thought-out stable reliable you [TS]

00:26:32   know like all the things that you want [TS]

00:26:34   from a great Mac application the kind of [TS]

00:26:36   applications are BBEdit for that matter [TS]

00:26:37   kind of applications to make people love [TS]

00:26:39   them and be dedicated to them known as [TS]

00:26:41   no one is dedicated to the Mac version [TS]

00:26:42   of notes right I mean the iOS version of [TS]

00:26:45   notes as you know gotten way better and [TS]

00:26:47   they're adding features left and right [TS]

00:26:49   there but I'm trying to think of what's [TS]

00:26:50   the last great man you're supposed to [TS]

00:26:52   fari [TS]

00:26:52   sorry it's pretty darn good too but [TS]

00:26:53   that's that's oh like the last great new [TS]

00:26:56   Mac App Apple's head in the past few [TS]

00:26:58   years it seems like every time they make [TS]

00:27:00   a new Mac application it's alright yeah [TS]

00:27:03   like I feel like photos is like the best [TS]

00:27:04   example photos is the the app that [TS]

00:27:08   should have been a great demonstration [TS]

00:27:11   of what the Mac can do and it hasn't [TS]

00:27:13   been at all and I would even brought in [TS]

00:27:16   your question of Ken Apple still make [TS]

00:27:18   great mac apps I would remove the word [TS]

00:27:20   Mac from that and say can Apple still [TS]

00:27:22   great still make great apps Apple is [TS]

00:27:26   remarkably good these days at being a [TS]

00:27:28   platform company their OS is amazing [TS]

00:27:31   their ap eyes are amazing that keep [TS]

00:27:33   adding new cool API is like a Ark it [TS]

00:27:36   like just to add to their other massive [TS]

00:27:38   pile of incredibly sophisticated api's [TS]

00:27:41   Apple is really good at the platform's [TS]

00:27:45   the frameworks the OS but I I really [TS]

00:27:48   have not gotten the sense from Apple [TS]

00:27:52   that they really know how to make great [TS]

00:27:53   apps anymore and and to their credit [TS]

00:27:55   they haven't made very many new apps [TS]

00:27:57   recently like maybe they maybe they [TS]

00:27:58   realize this too or maybe they've [TS]

00:28:00   decided not to do that much anymore [TS]

00:28:02   they've been making good apps I feel [TS]

00:28:04   like especially on iOS I think they're [TS]

00:28:06   making good iOS apps and a lot of it I [TS]

00:28:08   think a lot of the iOS ones are [TS]

00:28:09   exemplars you could say hey you want to [TS]

00:28:11   you want to make a good eye o s app look [TS]

00:28:13   at Apple's applications and that's kind [TS]

00:28:16   of like the baseline try to match that [TS]

00:28:17   right but none of them I mean it may I [TS]

00:28:19   don't know in iOS but like on the Mac [TS]

00:28:21   anyway I don't feel like any of them are [TS]

00:28:22   great and it kind of in the way that [TS]

00:28:24   iTunes was great in the beginning like [TS]

00:28:27   you know at one iTunes sort of got got [TS]

00:28:28   the ball rolling and it was like you [TS]

00:28:30   could search for music so quickly and [TS]

00:28:32   the interface was so straightforward and [TS]

00:28:34   intuitive than anyone could figure out [TS]

00:28:35   how to do it with a three pane browser [TS]

00:28:36   and you know and then integrating the [TS]

00:28:39   store that all seemed to work like [TS]

00:28:40   before iTunes became the [TS]

00:28:42   jack-of-all-trades [TS]

00:28:43   I think it was a pretty great [TS]

00:28:44   application too even though it was just [TS]

00:28:46   sound jam or whatever reskin to begin [TS]

00:28:47   with right yeah something like that I'm [TS]

00:28:51   sure there is still the talent in the [TS]

00:28:53   company to make great applications like [TS]

00:28:56   what we're talking about if they [TS]

00:28:57   prioritize them I think they just [TS]

00:28:58   haven't prioritized them really like [TS]

00:29:00   they've been doing so much else they've [TS]

00:29:01   been launching new platforms and making [TS]

00:29:04   new services and you know making the OS [TS]

00:29:06   is better and everything they've been [TS]

00:29:07   doing so much else that it just seems [TS]

00:29:09   like they don't really put a lot behind [TS]

00:29:12   their first party apps anymore and that [TS]

00:29:13   shows in some big you know end of life [TS]

00:29:16   things like aperture and also just the [TS]

00:29:19   kind of you know languishing nature of a [TS]

00:29:21   lot of their other apps along with apps [TS]

00:29:23   that are revamped into new versions that [TS]

00:29:26   aren't necessarily to do the old ones [TS]

00:29:27   like the Photos app you know in that [TS]

00:29:28   place iPhoto and aperture you know like [TS]

00:29:30   the I think it is very clear like I [TS]

00:29:32   would say you know I don't want to put [TS]

00:29:35   this entirely on Johnny I've because I [TS]

00:29:36   do that a lot but in the the big shuffle [TS]

00:29:39   up when Forrestal was out and Ives [TS]

00:29:42   Department became head of software [TS]

00:29:44   design as well as hardware design I [TS]

00:29:45   would say since that happened appala [TS]

00:29:49   seem to be in a period of flux with [TS]

00:29:51   their application design skills that [TS]

00:29:53   have not been good and even going into [TS]

00:29:56   iOS 11 like we still don't know what the [TS]

00:29:57   new phone and this potential notch is [TS]

00:30:00   gonna look like but if that knotch [TS]

00:30:01   you know if basically we're looking at [TS]

00:30:03   the iOS 11 design with these like giant [TS]

00:30:05   title bars with the big white you know [TS]

00:30:07   bold text titles and basically making [TS]

00:30:10   everything like Apple music which seems [TS]

00:30:12   like a terrible idea because if you [TS]

00:30:13   would have said after last year after I [TS]

00:30:15   was 10 we're gonna make all the apps in [TS]

00:30:18   the system look like Apple music people [TS]

00:30:21   thought you were joking but now you know [TS]

00:30:23   now that's the style that might make [TS]

00:30:26   sense in some big grand vision here that [TS]

00:30:29   we have yet to see the you know the [TS]

00:30:30   final play of wouldn't when the new [TS]

00:30:31   phone comes out it's also possible the [TS]

00:30:34   apples just going through like this kind [TS]

00:30:36   of like design puberty period where like [TS]

00:30:39   they're they're in between you know two [TS]

00:30:41   different eras or ages or they're trying [TS]

00:30:43   to find their footing or whatever the [TS]

00:30:44   case may be it seems like Apple is has [TS]

00:30:48   been all over the map with software [TS]

00:30:49   design in the last few years and they [TS]

00:30:51   have not yet found the right place to be [TS]

00:30:54   yet yeah [TS]

00:30:56   I feel like Final Cut Pro 10 and the new [TS]

00:30:58   iMovie that that was before it those [TS]

00:31:01   were actually I think the only Mac [TS]

00:31:05   applications that could rarely be called [TS]

00:31:07   great they were after the you know the [TS]

00:31:11   skeuomorphic age like a garage band and [TS]

00:31:13   stuff like that with the wood paneling [TS]

00:31:14   like that was you know high movie and [TS]

00:31:16   the original digital hub like there's a [TS]

00:31:17   lot of great applications there but [TS]

00:31:19   those were all definitely in the forest [TS]

00:31:21   all skeuomorphic whatever or even though [TS]

00:31:23   he you know whatever that that her right [TS]

00:31:25   and then where we are now is the place [TS]

00:31:28   where you know photos and the revised [TS]

00:31:32   you know contacts and notes an even [TS]

00:31:36   calendar and self on the Mac they're [TS]

00:31:38   kind of you know they're right they're [TS]

00:31:40   very simple they're slight bit more of [TS]

00:31:41   the Johnny hive thing and I feel like in [TS]

00:31:43   between there was the iMovie design [TS]

00:31:46   which was not super skeuomorphic but was [TS]

00:31:48   also not like oh let's remove every [TS]

00:31:50   single control from the interface and [TS]

00:31:51   make just giant expanses of white white [TS]

00:31:53   or in this case black so I think maybe [TS]

00:31:56   that is and that's the last time I can [TS]

00:31:59   recall seeing one of those maybe there's [TS]

00:32:00   other applications that I don't use them [TS]

00:32:02   people keep bringing up like the iWork [TS]

00:32:03   Sweeting everything but those aren't [TS]

00:32:04   those are new applications like they've [TS]

00:32:06   evolved and I could say those have the [TS]

00:32:08   same kind of problem with the syncing up [TS]

00:32:09   with the uikit and all right now do you [TS]

00:32:12   like it syncing up with iOS features and [TS]

00:32:14   losing stuff and coming back up they've [TS]

00:32:16   they've had their our own problems [TS]

00:32:18   during the way during the their their [TS]

00:32:20   development I don't think those are [TS]

00:32:21   great applications yeah and even if they [TS]

00:32:24   were you'd have to date them back to [TS]

00:32:25   when they were introduced so maybe it's [TS]

00:32:27   just iMovie and Final Cut Pro 10 and [TS]

00:32:29   those were controversial as well we are [TS]

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00:34:19   passion we have what is possibly my [TS]

00:34:26   favorite line item that has ever [TS]

00:34:28   appeared in follow up ever and I will [TS]

00:34:31   read it verbatim for the listeners the [TS]

00:34:34   topic that we are apparently about to [TS]

00:34:36   discuss a topic it's a foul of item [TS]

00:34:38   whatever [TS]

00:34:40   good grief the follow-up item copyright [TS]

00:34:45   2011 Johnson he said that we are about [TS]

00:34:46   to discuss is as follows quote advice [TS]

00:34:49   for Markos sensitive Toshi end quote [TS]

00:34:53   would one of us I'm assuming Jon like to [TS]

00:34:56   tell us what his advice would be for [TS]

00:34:58   Marco's since my advice its listeners [TS]

00:35:00   advice last week and people had advice [TS]

00:35:08   for what he could do to make his bump [TS]

00:35:11   feel better one piece of advice was to [TS]

00:35:15   buy shorts with a pad in the butt [TS]

00:35:17   especially made for people who ride [TS]

00:35:18   bikes I go for made for mountain bikers [TS]

00:35:21   so probably that's the thing that you [TS]

00:35:23   can [TS]

00:35:23   get and someone suggested that but the [TS]

00:35:26   other suggestion that I think it is even [TS]

00:35:27   better is bicycle riders saying don't [TS]

00:35:30   put all your weight on your butt when [TS]

00:35:31   you're riding your bike put some of your [TS]

00:35:33   weight on the pedals and some of your [TS]

00:35:34   weight and the handlebars and some of [TS]

00:35:36   the weight on your butt and then you [TS]

00:35:37   won't have your entire weight on the [TS]

00:35:40   very hard seat and if you do that it [TS]

00:35:42   will make any seat feel more comfortable [TS]

00:35:44   for you [TS]

00:35:45   I would say the latter option of [TS]

00:35:47   changing my biking technique to put less [TS]

00:35:49   weight on my butt that is a good idea if [TS]

00:35:51   I was a professional bike list but I'm [TS]

00:35:55   not have to be a professional bike guest [TS]

00:35:58   in your words to do that you can you can [TS]

00:36:00   you can change the way you bike and not [TS]

00:36:02   be paid to be a bicycle rider you know [TS]

00:36:04   that's something I will slowly work [TS]

00:36:05   towards but that's like you know a [TS]

00:36:06   gradual technique thing also like a lot [TS]

00:36:08   of the riding I'm doing around here is [TS]

00:36:09   very slowly because I'm riding with my [TS]

00:36:12   kid who is now very well riding a bike [TS]

00:36:14   that took no time thank you John you [TS]

00:36:15   were right and it's awesome so we're [TS]

00:36:17   riding around but it's running very [TS]

00:36:19   slowly so like it's kind of hard to like [TS]

00:36:20   hold yourself up all that time and [TS]

00:36:21   you're going like two miles an hour [TS]

00:36:23   secondly the bike shorts with built in [TS]

00:36:26   but padding I don't really see the point [TS]

00:36:28   of that honestly I mean again maybe this [TS]

00:36:30   is I mean that professional bike ists [TS]

00:36:31   have some good reason for but if they're [TS]

00:36:33   saying the seat shouldn't be padded your [TS]

00:36:35   shorts should be padded well I think [TS]

00:36:37   there but I think they're both padded [TS]

00:36:38   like double doubling up the padding I [TS]

00:36:40   guess then you get then you get to look [TS]

00:36:42   like stupid sexy flanders III appreciate [TS]

00:36:45   these two options [TS]

00:36:47   written in by the professional bike ists [TS]

00:36:49   I am NOT going to take either of them [TS]

00:36:50   instead I did what I said I was gonna do [TS]

00:36:53   last week and I just went on Amazon and [TS]

00:36:54   spent eighteen dollars on a really soft [TS]

00:36:57   cushy seat and that's great and it's [TS]

00:37:00   fixed it pretty much as well as anything [TS]

00:37:01   besides new tyres could so done well [TS]

00:37:04   stupid sexy finest was skiing not biking [TS]

00:37:06   there wasn't refiners have bike shorts [TS]

00:37:08   too anyway [TS]

00:37:09   bike shorts you can kind of be a no [TS]

00:37:11   Majah stupid sexy flanders is this the [TS]

00:37:14   first time i've ever had to podcast [TS]

00:37:15   topic about my butt name might be [TS]

00:37:17   not the last probably dan just to do a [TS]

00:37:24   quick status check how many bikes did [TS]

00:37:26   you buy in the last week well how do I [TS]

00:37:30   measure so what if I said you've [TS]

00:37:33   returned Tony but we're the new bike [TS]

00:37:35   slow [TS]

00:37:36   Harmony House hopeful well technically I [TS]

00:37:38   was asking to be funny and now you're [TS]

00:37:40   giving me a legitimate friggin answer [TS]

00:37:41   technically two but one was a [TS]

00:37:43   replacement for a defect one in one all [TS]

00:37:46   right oh my god yeah the other one was [TS]

00:37:49   the sand bike it's amazing I thought you [TS]

00:37:51   weren't getting one but you borrowed the [TS]

00:37:52   neighbors and you were like oh that's [TS]

00:37:53   just saved me a lot of money now I'm not [TS]

00:37:55   gonna buy the thing because I know that [TS]

00:37:57   it's hard work yep and then I bought it [TS]

00:38:00   it's a lot of fun it's a lot of how do [TS]

00:38:03   we do this John John how do we how do we [TS]

00:38:05   do it you're gonna say I'm like for Adam [TS]

00:38:06   he's got unlimited energy he could just [TS]

00:38:08   be whirring away on those pedestals [TS]

00:38:10   forever he's riding nine miles a day [TS]

00:38:12   just get him a sandbag he'll be down to [TS]

00:38:14   like you know four and a half the same [TS]

00:38:15   amount of effort it's actually a lot [TS]

00:38:17   easier to follow him in a sand bike [TS]

00:38:18   because it's like you can go first of [TS]

00:38:20   all you can go slowly more easily [TS]

00:38:22   because the tires are so big that's five [TS]

00:38:24   inch times and then the other thing is [TS]

00:38:26   that when when he you know as you're [TS]

00:38:29   going down Lee you know some of the [TS]

00:38:30   boring parts of the ride if you're on [TS]

00:38:31   the sand bike you can go in like the [TS]

00:38:34   sand berm on the side of the sidewalk [TS]

00:38:35   and have more fun and jump over the [TS]

00:38:37   various things there and you know makes [TS]

00:38:39   a little more fun the regular bike it [TS]

00:38:42   with the firm ride is the way more [TS]

00:38:44   practical one that is the one I should [TS]

00:38:46   have and the one I still ride a lot of [TS]

00:38:48   the time the sand bike is the fun one [TS]

00:38:50   that's the one that makes me smile I [TS]

00:38:53   can't believe you had a serious answer [TS]

00:38:55   for that question I should have known [TS]

00:38:56   better I should have known just window [TS]

00:38:57   he stops using the same bike in the snow [TS]

00:38:59   bring it back home for the winter [TS]

00:39:01   actually was thinking about trying that [TS]

00:39:04   I have it attached jetan who's this sign [TS]

00:39:09   put skis into the wheels okay let's just [TS]

00:39:13   move on to ask a teepee Robert [TS]

00:39:15   prejudiced I'm so sorry Robert asks OLED [TS]

00:39:19   or LCD for future iPhone in my [TS]

00:39:22   experience OLED is inferior burns out [TS]

00:39:24   why doesn't ever white but rather [TS]

00:39:25   pinkish or greenish I don't have very [TS]

00:39:29   many thoughts on this other than to say [TS]

00:39:30   the only oled screen that I'm aware of [TS]

00:39:33   that I have is my Apple watch because [TS]

00:39:35   that's all LED right and and I haven't [TS]

00:39:39   noticed any of these issues personally [TS]

00:39:42   that doesn't mean he's wrong by any [TS]

00:39:43   means I just it just means I haven't [TS]

00:39:45   noticed them so androids been [TS]

00:39:48   Android shows an OLED for a long time [TS]

00:39:50   and like why why samples that have LCD [TS]

00:39:53   the one of the theories is that Apple's [TS]

00:39:56   standards for colour reproduction and [TS]

00:39:59   you know like just general quality image [TS]

00:40:03   quality have not been able to be met by [TS]

00:40:06   OLED screen so you know that practically [TS]

00:40:09   speaking like future I'll see the future [TS]

00:40:13   for iPhone well the new iPhones coming [TS]

00:40:14   out are gonna be all that certainly the [TS]

00:40:16   pro one maybe the other ones as well [TS]

00:40:17   right so there's that practical thing of [TS]

00:40:20   like hey the next new iPhones you're [TS]

00:40:21   gonna get some o LEDs on long term does [TS]

00:40:23   that mean like all phones are gonna be [TS]

00:40:25   already going forward if Apple puts an [TS]

00:40:28   OLED in their fancy new phone it [TS]

00:40:30   probably means they were able to get the [TS]

00:40:33   quality up to their standards so it's as [TS]

00:40:36   good as and certainly better in black [TS]

00:40:38   levels than the LCDs ones to replace [TS]

00:40:40   them so Apple has waited a long time to [TS]

00:40:42   jump from LCD to OLED but they're doing [TS]

00:40:45   it now which probably means they're [TS]

00:40:46   gonna be good and if they are good the [TS]

00:40:48   potential power saving advantages of [TS]

00:40:50   them mean that there's no reason for [TS]

00:40:52   them to go back to LCD and you know and [TS]

00:40:54   the the black level improvements on them [TS]

00:40:56   so I think that the future of the iPhone [TS]

00:40:59   line is all OLED as soon as Apple can [TS]

00:41:02   swing that in terms of cost maybe right [TS]

00:41:05   now they're fancy OLED screen and the [TS]

00:41:06   volumes they can get produced in I mean [TS]

00:41:08   that they'll have to keep shipping LCD [TS]

00:41:10   iPhones for a long time and certainly [TS]

00:41:13   these step-down models a lot gonna be [TS]

00:41:14   LCD for their lives until they get [TS]

00:41:15   replaced by step-down OLED model some [TS]

00:41:18   for burnin you know image retention [TS]

00:41:21   whatever LCD still has that all that is [TS]

00:41:23   supposedly worse we'll find out how much [TS]

00:41:24   worse but you know we've seen LCDs with [TS]

00:41:27   really bad image retention and LCDs with [TS]

00:41:30   not so bad image retention presumably [TS]

00:41:32   the same is true we'll find out and [TS]

00:41:34   white being never white or pinkish that [TS]

00:41:36   goes back to quality like presumably [TS]

00:41:38   than one of the screens that Apple's got [TS]

00:41:39   don't suffer from that problem so short [TS]

00:41:42   answer kool-aid Josh stager writes what [TS]

00:41:45   is Marcos process for reselling his [TS]

00:41:47   myriad of machines would this work for [TS]

00:41:50   someone without a hundred thousand [TS]

00:41:51   Twitter followers so basically my [TS]

00:41:54   process is when I want to sell something [TS]

00:41:57   whether it's a laptop or you know [TS]

00:41:59   something else when I want to sell [TS]

00:42:00   something that I think anybody on [TS]

00:42:01   Twitter might [TS]

00:42:02   you know it moves fast the reason that [TS]

00:42:05   moves fast yes it part of it is that I [TS]

00:42:07   have a lot of followers so I kind of [TS]

00:42:09   have an unfair advantage there part of [TS]

00:42:10   it is that I know how much it cost me to [TS]

00:42:12   sell something on eBay if you sell [TS]

00:42:15   something on eBay you're gonna lose [TS]

00:42:16   roughly 15% in various fees and [TS]

00:42:19   everything so it's eBay is great if you [TS]

00:42:21   search completed items and more [TS]

00:42:23   specifically sold items it's great to [TS]

00:42:25   tell you kind of what something is worth [TS]

00:42:26   and I know that if I I sell it on eBay [TS]

00:42:29   I'm only gonna net you know 15 or 20% [TS]

00:42:32   under that price so then I just post on [TS]

00:42:34   Twitter saying hey I'll sell us you know [TS]

00:42:36   for you know 20 percent under eBay is [TS]

00:42:38   price whatever and it moves fast because [TS]

00:42:41   it's both you know being shown to a lot [TS]

00:42:43   of people and it's also a really good [TS]

00:42:44   deal [TS]

00:42:45   I value simplicity and speed to the deal [TS]

00:42:48   over you know getting the absolute [TS]

00:42:50   maximum price for it so if you're what [TS]

00:42:53   if you want to sell things either you [TS]

00:42:55   have two tools at your disposal you can [TS]

00:42:57   either you know go for a big audience or [TS]

00:43:00   you know which you know if you if you [TS]

00:43:01   don't a lot of Twitter followers and [TS]

00:43:03   followers elsewhere you know eBay is [TS]

00:43:04   your best chance there or you can just [TS]

00:43:06   sell it for a very very attractive price [TS]

00:43:08   if you just want to move fast and I [TS]

00:43:10   choose to do both of those things so I [TS]

00:43:12   don't think it's really the follower [TS]

00:43:14   count that is as big a deal I mean [TS]

00:43:16   certainly that helps but an obviously [TS]

00:43:19   need to be above some threshold to have [TS]

00:43:21   any idea selling but the the key factor [TS]

00:43:24   for why once you get above a certain [TS]

00:43:26   number or followers why you why Marco in [TS]

00:43:29   particular has success selling things in [TS]

00:43:31   addition to the pricing that you just [TS]

00:43:32   talked about is that lots of people feel [TS]

00:43:36   like Lea no Marco from all the things [TS]

00:43:37   that he does in public and so there's a [TS]

00:43:39   certain level of trust that is implicit [TS]

00:43:42   trust that he's not just some random [TS]

00:43:44   scammer and not just trust like oh he [TS]

00:43:46   seems nice on podcast so I think he's a [TS]

00:43:48   nice person it's sort of a mutually [TS]

00:43:50   assured destruction thing if you are a [TS]

00:43:51   quote-unquote public figure right if you [TS]

00:43:53   have a public reputation and something [TS]

00:43:55   to lose chances are good that you're not [TS]

00:43:58   going to be like you know an internet [TS]

00:44:00   famous nerd person with a hundred [TS]

00:44:02   thousand followers and then scam someone [TS]

00:44:04   by taking their money and never shipping [TS]

00:44:05   the machine to them right you wouldn't [TS]

00:44:07   do that because that person's gonna be [TS]

00:44:09   like hey they'll write a blog post it'll [TS]

00:44:11   be like I tried to buy Mark Roberts [TS]

00:44:13   computer and he took my money and never [TS]

00:44:14   sent me the computer [TS]

00:44:16   and that would get a bazillion hits and [TS]

00:44:17   it would be all over the internet like [TS]

00:44:19   Marco has something to lose his [TS]

00:44:21   reputation and people would care about [TS]

00:44:23   that story people would listen to that [TS]

00:44:24   person's story if it's like Oh famous [TS]

00:44:26   person doesn't mean thing whereas random [TS]

00:44:28   scammer takes your money doesn't send [TS]

00:44:29   you the thing on eBay and you write a [TS]

00:44:31   blog post about it [TS]

00:44:32   no one's gonna post that on Hacker News [TS]

00:44:33   no one's con dude you know it's not [TS]

00:44:35   gonna be on TechCrunch front page it's [TS]

00:44:37   not gonna be in tech name no one cares [TS]

00:44:39   about you so you got scammed by selling [TS]

00:44:40   Internet that's great right so I think [TS]

00:44:43   the combination of people understanding [TS]

00:44:45   that Marco has something to lose and [TS]

00:44:46   people generally think feeling like they [TS]

00:44:48   know him from all this podcasts and it's [TS]

00:44:49   work say that he's probably really got [TS]

00:44:52   this computer he's not lying about it [TS]

00:44:54   he's gonna ship it to me like he says [TS]

00:44:55   he's going to and that peace of mind [TS]

00:44:57   does not exist on ebay whether buying or [TS]

00:44:59   selling or Craigslist or anything like [TS]

00:45:01   that it's like I don't know these people [TS]

00:45:03   this could not be a person at all this [TS]

00:45:05   could be a bot somewhere you know in [TS]

00:45:07   Lithuania I have no idea about any of [TS]

00:45:09   this whereas it's kind of like it's not [TS]

00:45:11   like buying it for a friend because they [TS]

00:45:13   don't know Marco know him but the [TS]

00:45:14   combination of mutually assured [TS]

00:45:16   destruction public figure thing and the [TS]

00:45:19   general nice feelings people have for [TS]

00:45:21   people that they read their blog posts [TS]

00:45:22   and listen to that podcast that is super [TS]

00:45:25   important on top of the large number of [TS]

00:45:27   followers now does that mean all this [TS]

00:45:28   advice is completely useless for [TS]

00:45:30   everybody I think Marcos advice is the [TS]

00:45:31   most useful like price it's move and [TS]

00:45:33   it'll move but you still have to find [TS]

00:45:34   some venue for putting your offer in [TS]

00:45:37   front of people and then you have to [TS]

00:45:40   Marco's got this on his side you have to [TS]

00:45:42   deal with the person who makes the offer [TS]

00:45:43   you write the thing on Twitter hopefully [TS]

00:45:45   you're narrowing down but people who [TS]

00:45:46   follow you on Twitter and notifying your [TS]

00:45:48   stuff there as it's not just a bunch of [TS]

00:45:49   random individuals but you still have to [TS]

00:45:52   deal with that person and hope that they [TS]

00:45:54   you know you get the money from them [TS]

00:45:56   you're gonna send another thing and all [TS]

00:45:57   that stuff like that so I don't think [TS]

00:45:59   there's any easy answers here but if you [TS]

00:46:02   can if you can at all get yourself a [TS]

00:46:05   hundred thousand Twitter followers and [TS]

00:46:06   have a public reputation on the internet [TS]

00:46:09   for a decade or two that really helps [TS]

00:46:10   out with selling stuff I'd also like to [TS]

00:46:13   add that if you're willing to trade a [TS]

00:46:16   little bit of lost money so to speak for [TS]

00:46:20   convenience [TS]

00:46:21   ghazal who honestly don't remember if [TS]

00:46:24   they were a past sponsor of the show [TS]

00:46:25   they probably were but I've used them by [TS]

00:46:28   choice and there are other equipment [TS]

00:46:29   people as well but gizelle is super nice [TS]

00:46:32   for technology related things so like [TS]

00:46:34   old computers old phones etc and [TS]

00:46:37   basically you just tell them hey I've [TS]

00:46:39   got some such device it's approximately [TS]

00:46:41   this quantity quality and they mail you [TS]

00:46:44   a box you put your device in the box you [TS]

00:46:45   mail it to them and they will give you I [TS]

00:46:47   think it used to be I don't know if this [TS]

00:46:48   is still true like an Amazon gift card [TS]

00:46:50   or a I think like a cheque or something [TS]

00:46:53   like that and typically these prices are [TS]

00:46:55   not as good as they would be if you did [TS]

00:46:57   like an eBay or something like that but [TS]

00:46:59   they're not terrible and if you want it [TS]

00:47:02   if you're willing to trade a little bit [TS]

00:47:04   of money for supreme convenience I def [TS]

00:47:08   and you don't have a hundred thousand [TS]

00:47:09   Twitter collars I definitely recommend [TS]

00:47:11   looking into one of these places like [TS]

00:47:13   gazelle I've heard very good things [TS]

00:47:15   about some sort of quasi equivalent [TS]

00:47:17   thing or maybe it's more like eBay that [TS]

00:47:19   Amazon does I don't know anything about [TS]

00:47:21   it really but I've heard good things but [TS]

00:47:24   there are there are ways you can do this [TS]

00:47:25   is what I'm driving out there were there [TS]

00:47:27   are ways you can do this without having [TS]

00:47:28   a hundred thousand Twitter followers I [TS]

00:47:29   would also say if you if what you are [TS]

00:47:31   selling is an Apple product if you're [TS]

00:47:34   gonna go that route [TS]

00:47:35   check out Mac me and offer this is [TS]

00:47:38   something I learned from Paul Haddad of [TS]

00:47:40   Tweetbot I got a great deal on one of my [TS]

00:47:43   MacBook Pros that I sold last year by [TS]

00:47:45   just talking to them instead it you know [TS]

00:47:48   there's a bunch of these sites that buy [TS]

00:47:50   this stuff most of the time the deals [TS]

00:47:52   that you get are awful a big site like [TS]

00:47:55   gazelle that you know the the prices you [TS]

00:47:58   get are hideously bad like you only sell [TS]

00:48:01   to them if you really really don't want [TS]

00:48:03   to go to like eBay or something like [TS]

00:48:05   that but yeah this is and sometimes it [TS]

00:48:07   doesn't work out sometimes you know like [TS]

00:48:09   like one of the things I found is when [TS]

00:48:11   you're selling something that is not [TS]

00:48:13   that old but not that popular or not [TS]

00:48:15   nestling very well so for instance when [TS]

00:48:17   I sold my 15 inch touch bar last year or [TS]

00:48:21   when I sold the twelve point nine inch [TS]

00:48:23   iPad pro those were things that because [TS]

00:48:27   I guess they weren't selling that well [TS]

00:48:29   Apple was discount of them pretty deeply [TS]

00:48:31   in in both their refurb store and [TS]

00:48:33   through partners like Best Buy and [TS]

00:48:35   Target that are like apples official [TS]

00:48:37   retailers but that like they go on sale [TS]

00:48:40   they're mysteriously when Apple needs to [TS]

00:48:42   move more [TS]

00:48:43   them even when Apple themselves never [TS]

00:48:44   puts anything on sale so if the thing [TS]

00:48:47   you're selling is one of those things [TS]

00:48:48   you might like you might be stuck with [TS]

00:48:50   something that's not worth nearly what [TS]

00:48:51   you what you paid for it or what you [TS]

00:48:53   think it should be worth but you know if [TS]

00:48:55   you go to one of these sites you can [TS]

00:48:57   usually you know get a bunch of offers [TS]

00:48:59   and you know pick whatever one is [TS]

00:49:00   easiest for you alright the final ask [TS]

00:49:03   ATP for this week [TS]

00:49:05   t Dell rights have any of you ever seen [TS]

00:49:08   a doctor or physical therapist because [TS]

00:49:10   of RSI I will start because I have a [TS]

00:49:12   boring answer which is no I haven't [TS]

00:49:14   every great once in a while one of my [TS]

00:49:16   wrists will hurt ever so slightly and [TS]

00:49:18   I'll adjust my positioning or whatever [TS]

00:49:20   the case may be and I've been lucky [TS]

00:49:21   enough that it tends to go away very [TS]

00:49:22   quickly this is where the entire [TS]

00:49:23   internet writes in to say oh you've [TS]

00:49:25   already got it it's too late oh that's [TS]

00:49:28   probably true and that's okay I will try [TS]

00:49:30   to do this in order of severity of RSI [TS]

00:49:32   problems so I will move on now to Marco [TS]

00:49:35   I have I don't think of a person a [TS]

00:49:38   doctor for RSI I did have a major back [TS]

00:49:40   issue that put me into physical therapy [TS]

00:49:42   for a little while about ten years ago [TS]

00:49:44   but that was you know I asked a few [TS]

00:49:47   hours I related questions during that [TS]

00:49:48   little process but I made a few changes [TS]

00:49:50   that happen to be similar because it was [TS]

00:49:52   about like sitting too much and stuff [TS]

00:49:53   but otherwise the answer is generally no [TS]

00:49:56   I've only had very minor RSI problems [TS]

00:50:00   and I have solved them mostly by reading [TS]

00:50:03   a few books and articles and making [TS]

00:50:06   changes to like you know make sure my [TS]

00:50:08   desk is the right height make sure my I [TS]

00:50:10   have an appropriate chair and I switched [TS]

00:50:12   to a natural keyboard with the split [TS]

00:50:14   layout and and those things were [TS]

00:50:17   basically enough for for me to solve my [TS]

00:50:20   minor issues so far alright John I'm [TS]

00:50:22   buckled in let's hear the story so I [TS]

00:50:25   have Condor doctor my first really bad [TS]

00:50:27   flare was back when I lived in Georgia [TS]

00:50:28   shortly after graduating college and I [TS]

00:50:33   went to a general practitioner and got [TS]

00:50:37   referred and nothing really came of that [TS]

00:50:39   and then I you know didn't everything [TS]

00:50:42   they recommended was not useful [TS]

00:50:43   I eventually came up to move back up to [TS]

00:50:46   Massachusetts and same deal went to [TS]

00:50:48   general practitioner got referred [TS]

00:50:50   eventually found a physical therapist [TS]

00:50:53   who actually helped me [TS]

00:50:55   and kept going to see that person for a [TS]

00:50:58   while and it did a bunch of adjustments [TS]

00:51:00   and life changes and stuff like that and [TS]

00:51:02   now I'm basically managing it the the [TS]

00:51:05   difficulty with this is it's basically [TS]

00:51:06   it's hard to find doctors or specialists [TS]

00:51:10   or GPS who understand RSI like at all [TS]

00:51:15   right a lot of doctors have a vague [TS]

00:51:18   surface-level understanding it's [TS]

00:51:20   basically at the same level the average [TS]

00:51:21   person where I think our RSI is [TS]

00:51:24   synonymous with carpal tunnel and don't [TS]

00:51:26   really know about any of the details and [TS]

00:51:28   give you dumb advice or tell you to take [TS]

00:51:29   Advil all which is useless if you do [TS]

00:51:34   find someone who actually understands [TS]

00:51:36   our I saw it and treats RSI and you know [TS]

00:51:39   takes it seriously and actually knows [TS]

00:51:44   what will help people because they have [TS]

00:51:45   lots of patients that do this that's [TS]

00:51:48   that's great but it takes a lot of tries [TS]

00:51:50   to get there you don't I don't think [TS]

00:51:54   anyone ever needs their their general [TS]

00:51:56   practitioner do anything for them mostly [TS]

00:51:57   you need to find some kind of specialist [TS]

00:51:59   whether it's a specialist doctor or [TS]

00:52:03   occupational therapist or physical [TS]

00:52:05   therapist or whatever it may be I you [TS]

00:52:10   know I always tell people that they with [TS]

00:52:12   you know I would tell Casey you know see [TS]

00:52:14   a doctor but it's like it's good advice [TS]

00:52:16   this is something they should do but [TS]

00:52:17   it's bad advice because I know if I tell [TS]

00:52:19   them that and they go see their doctor [TS]

00:52:20   their doctor is almost certainly not [TS]

00:52:22   gonna help them at all but you have to [TS]

00:52:24   keep going and like finding it's like [TS]

00:52:26   you know use the internet find other [TS]

00:52:27   people in your area who have RSI and as [TS]

00:52:29   I think everyone has learned now in this [TS]

00:52:31   age where everybody sits in front of [TS]

00:52:33   something and types for long periods of [TS]

00:52:35   time [TS]

00:52:35   did you know if if you're certainly in [TS]

00:52:39   our tech nerd programming circles right [TS]

00:52:41   but I think just in general the number [TS]

00:52:43   of people that we all know that have RSI [TS]

00:52:46   is way bigger than people think too some [TS]

00:52:47   people just don't talk about it I just [TS]

00:52:48   think about it who do we know that is [TS]

00:52:50   that are that you both know me Marco [TS]

00:52:52   said it a little bit [TS]

00:52:53   we know Mike early we just go through [TS]

00:52:55   all the real a family Gray has RSI [TS]

00:52:58   problems like this a lot of people have [TS]

00:53:01   it and so there there is a market for [TS]

00:53:04   helping these people so you should be [TS]

00:53:07   able to find it'll be difficult I'd been [TS]

00:53:09   we'll be difficult it will not be easy [TS]

00:53:10   but you should be able to find someone [TS]

00:53:11   who can help you in your area and what [TS]

00:53:15   will help you what kind of doctor will [TS]

00:53:17   help you what kind of treatment will [TS]

00:53:19   help you I don't know but you should the [TS]

00:53:21   worst thing you can do is ignore it so [TS]

00:53:23   you have to go through that annoying [TS]

00:53:25   terrible US healthcare system rigmarole [TS]

00:53:27   of doing whatever you have to do to get [TS]

00:53:31   whatever referrals you need to have and [TS]

00:53:32   if referrals crappy go back to your GP [TS]

00:53:34   if you still need to referral and say I [TS]

00:53:36   would like you to refer me to this [TS]

00:53:37   person or sometimes you just can't you [TS]

00:53:39   know this person has added Network and [TS]

00:53:40   you have to pay out-of-pocket you have [TS]

00:53:42   to do what you have to do but ignoring [TS]

00:53:44   is the worst thing you do so sure to [TS]

00:53:46   answer that question yes some of us have [TS]

00:53:48   seen oh my word we should answer the [TS]

00:53:54   next yes-or-no question we get we should [TS]

00:53:55   just ask you know each of us go yes or [TS]

00:53:57   no answer yeah okay I'm not sure I'm [TS]

00:54:00   capable with that and with respect I am [TS]

00:54:03   positive that you to or not I could [TS]

00:54:06   totally do it no you're you're you're [TS]

00:54:08   wrong sir we are sponsored this week by [TS]

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00:54:13   go to ATP aftershocks calm to learn more [TS]

00:54:16   aftershokz headphones worked by bone [TS]

00:54:18   conduction small transducers rest in [TS]

00:54:20   front of your ears not inside or around [TS]

00:54:23   or on top of them like most headphones [TS]

00:54:24   and they send vibrations through your [TS]

00:54:27   cheek bones directly to your inner ear [TS]

00:54:29   which bypasses your ears and eardrums so [TS]

00:54:31   unlike every other kind of headphone [TS]

00:54:32   bone conduction leaves your ears [TS]

00:54:34   completely open with nothing in or on [TS]

00:54:37   top of them this pretty some major [TS]

00:54:39   benefits so first of all it's great for [TS]

00:54:41   comfort if like me [TS]

00:54:42   earbuds actually hurt your ears and [TS]

00:54:44   they're also as I'm finding this summer [TS]

00:54:46   great for exercise and hot weather [TS]

00:54:48   because they don't cover your ear so [TS]

00:54:50   they are far less sweaty than regular [TS]

00:54:53   headphones and if I do sweat a little or [TS]

00:54:55   if I get caught in the rain outside no [TS]

00:54:57   problem they are ip55 certified for [TS]

00:54:59   water resistance and for me the biggest [TS]

00:55:01   thing about aftershocks the big reason [TS]

00:55:03   that determines whether they are right [TS]

00:55:04   for you [TS]

00:55:05   is that because nothing is blocking your [TS]

00:55:06   ears you hear all of the sound from the [TS]

00:55:09   world around you so this can be a bad [TS]

00:55:11   thing if you're in a place like a very [TS]

00:55:13   loud subway station but this can be a [TS]

00:55:15   very good thing if you think about it in [TS]

00:55:16   different situations such as if you are [TS]

00:55:19   taking a phone call while doing things [TS]

00:55:21   around the house or you need to listen [TS]

00:55:23   for your kids while you also listen to a [TS]

00:55:24   podcast or if you're like I do here [TS]

00:55:27   walking or cycling or running when it's [TS]

00:55:30   really important for safety and [TS]

00:55:31   practicality for you to hear the world [TS]

00:55:33   around you but you might want to listen [TS]

00:55:34   to you know an audiobook or a talk-show [TS]

00:55:36   while you're doing that after Sox work [TS]

00:55:38   great if you need to generally hear the [TS]

00:55:40   outside world while you want to listen [TS]

00:55:42   to a podcast or take a phone call if I'm [TS]

00:55:44   honest you know sound quality for music [TS]

00:55:45   is not great you want these things for [TS]

00:55:47   spoken word content when you're in an [TS]

00:55:49   environment where you want to hear [TS]

00:55:50   what's going on around you that's the [TS]

00:55:52   bet and aftershocks are so good for that [TS]

00:55:54   Here I am I'm on vacation for about a [TS]

00:55:56   month I have only brought with me the [TS]

00:55:58   aftershock headphones for all of my [TS]

00:55:59   portable use everyday I've been walking [TS]

00:56:01   my dog and taking bike rides for like [TS]

00:56:03   two hours using aftershocks and they are [TS]

00:56:05   the best for this purpose I'm so happy [TS]

00:56:07   with them the model I'm using it's a [TS]

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00:56:14   around the house anywhere where it's not [TS]

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00:56:17   what's going on around you while [TS]

00:56:19   listening to talk content they are [TS]

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00:56:22   they're water resistant check it out the [TS]

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00:56:32   ATP aftershocks calm thank you so much [TS]

00:56:36   to aftershocks for sponsoring our show I [TS]

00:56:41   got two pieces of bad news this week I'm [TS]

00:56:45   gonna start with the easy one because [TS]

00:56:46   that's not a topic but it's just sad and [TS]

00:56:48   if people have workarounds I want to [TS]

00:56:50   hear it apparently there's a new version [TS]

00:56:52   of the Google photos uploader and in [TS]

00:56:56   that new version I'm being told by a [TS]

00:56:58   friend of mine it does not recognize [TS]

00:57:01   Network there or perhaps there's just no [TS]

00:57:04   place to add a network share I have not [TS]

00:57:07   yet updated and now I fear it but there [TS]

00:57:10   will probably come a time that I will [TS]

00:57:11   need to update and I don't know what I'm [TS]

00:57:13   going to do because I currently have it [TS]

00:57:15   pointed at a folder on my knowledge II [TS]

00:57:17   that has all of our pictures because now [TS]

00:57:18   that we have a child there is in an [TS]

00:57:21   insurmountable just indescribable amount [TS]

00:57:23   of photos and I need the disk space on [TS]

00:57:25   this analogy to hold them that was bad [TS]

00:57:28   news number one bad news number two the [TS]

00:57:31   m5 only comes automatic now oh that's [TS]

00:57:33   right [TS]

00:57:34   I tell both of you this like [TS]

00:57:37   weeks ago I didn't want to believe you I [TS]

00:57:39   didn't either it was not a rumor it was [TS]

00:57:41   like it's the real Newt anyway God was [TS]

00:57:44   that was that was bad news number two [TS]

00:57:45   and not only that but I I would like to [TS]

00:57:47   publicly concede to Marco that I believe [TS]

00:57:49   you and I had an argument I don't [TS]

00:57:51   remember if it was public or not I don't [TS]

00:57:52   remember if this was neutral time or not [TS]

00:57:54   but you were adamant that the next m5 [TS]

00:57:57   would have all-wheel-drive and I don't [TS]

00:57:59   think I was adamantly opposed but I was [TS]

00:58:01   definitely very opposed and you were [TS]

00:58:03   correct sir that the next m5 I can't [TS]

00:58:06   believe you're conceding this now [TS]

00:58:07   because I also believe I'm this very [TS]

00:58:09   show like a year ago I said hey guess [TS]

00:58:11   what Marco was right it's coming in [TS]

00:58:12   all-wheel drive again again I wasn't I [TS]

00:58:14   wasn't relating to you a rumor I was [TS]

00:58:15   telling you a fact but apparently and [TS]

00:58:17   only now to the public like oh wow it's [TS]

00:58:21   real I was holding out hope I liked it [TS]

00:58:24   when I told you it was like this was a [TS]

00:58:26   done deal [TS]

00:58:27   done anyway you guys don't listen to me [TS]

00:58:29   well why would we what do you know about [TS]

00:58:31   anything anyway the actual piece of bad [TS]

00:58:35   news that I'm meandering toward that I [TS]

00:58:36   really wanted to talk about now is that [TS]

00:58:39   my backup provider I don't know if I [TS]

00:58:42   would even say of choice I feel like [TS]

00:58:44   this was kind of a I have no other [TS]

00:58:46   options that I cared for so this was the [TS]

00:58:49   only option I had which was crash plan [TS]

00:58:51   has decided to sunset their consumer [TS]

00:58:54   business so the reason I chose crash [TS]

00:58:57   plan is because you can have it back up [TS]

00:59:00   a network drive and it's considered to [TS]

00:59:03   be part of your computer and thus I [TS]

00:59:05   don't really don't remember what I was [TS]

00:59:07   paying CrashPlan a year but it was [TS]

00:59:08   something somewhere between five and ten [TS]

00:59:09   bucks a month and in you could have it [TS]

00:59:13   back up for in my case for example the [TS]

00:59:16   Synology and it is just part of my ten [TS]

00:59:18   bucks a month or whatever the number may [TS]

00:59:20   have been and perhaps in part because of [TS]

00:59:23   people like me they've decided okay [TS]

00:59:25   we're not going to do the consumer side [TS]

00:59:28   anymore we're only gonna do business [TS]

00:59:29   small business enough a small business [TS]

00:59:31   an enterprise and it's not going away [TS]

00:59:34   for I think over a year and so I have [TS]

00:59:36   plenty of time to figure out the answer [TS]

00:59:37   but I've already been wanting to move [TS]

00:59:41   away from CrashPlan because they have [TS]

00:59:44   the world's worst native app which isn't [TS]

00:59:48   really that terribly native it's a god [TS]

00:59:51   whole java app is job got off on java [TS]

00:59:54   redundant I think it is but anyway I [TS]

00:59:55   thought they had a real native app now I [TS]

00:59:58   believe they promised [TS]

00:59:58   believe they promised [TS]

01:00:00   native apps basically every three months [TS]

01:00:01   for the last two years and never [TS]

01:00:03   actually deliver them no III think they [TS]

01:00:05   have one but it might only be for the [TS]

01:00:07   business customers and not for the [TS]

01:00:08   consumer ones that's exactly it so that [TS]

01:00:11   the thing of being too I've been told [TS]

01:00:12   and again I don't know if this is true [TS]

01:00:13   or not is that it is only for the [TS]

01:00:16   business side so one of the options that [TS]

01:00:19   I have as a CrashPlan user is I could [TS]

01:00:21   change to a business plan and I didn't [TS]

01:00:25   think I wanted to do that on account of [TS]

01:00:27   the fact that I didn't want their [TS]

01:00:29   god-awful Java based client app but as [TS]

01:00:33   we just established perhaps the business [TS]

01:00:35   app or the business side wouldn't be so [TS]

01:00:38   bad but I haven't had an overwhelmingly [TS]

01:00:42   positive experience with CrashPlan it [TS]

01:00:43   just hasn't been negative enough for me [TS]

01:00:45   to do anything about it [TS]

01:00:46   so at this point I'm starting to explore [TS]

01:00:48   okay what are my other options and not [TS]

01:00:50   only because they've sponsored the show [TS]

01:00:52   and so you know they've given us some [TS]

01:00:54   money in the past and and I'm kind of [TS]

01:00:55   endeared to them for that but because [TS]

01:00:58   everyone I know genuinely is said that [TS]

01:01:00   CrashPlan is or excuse me that that [TS]

01:01:01   Backblaze is phenomenal [TS]

01:01:03   I've been looking at Backblaze but the [TS]

01:01:05   problem with Backblaze is you can't do a [TS]

01:01:08   network share and have that as part of a [TS]

01:01:11   a regular home backways plan which is if [TS]

01:01:14   I'm not mistaken why Marco is running I [TS]

01:01:16   scuzzy or was a very at the very least [TS]

01:01:18   running eyes cousin ology there you go [TS]

01:01:21   because then it's treated as sort of [TS]

01:01:25   kind of a local drive as far as backways [TS]

01:01:27   is concerned and so you can you can [TS]

01:01:29   upload your Synology and and still have [TS]

01:01:31   a regular consumer plan so I could go I [TS]

01:01:34   scuzzy but but I've heard Marco say in [TS]

01:01:36   the past a lot of terrible things about [TS]

01:01:38   it in just a five-way like forgiving [TS]

01:01:40   what you've told me about your [TS]

01:01:41   experience I I I am fearful of going [TS]

01:01:43   down that road nobody should do it so [TS]

01:01:46   there you go so I've heard some stories [TS]

01:01:49   about well and somebody saying the chat [TS]

01:01:51   right now well you can mount it as in yo [TS]

01:01:54   via NFS and you know do some UNIX e [TS]

01:01:56   things and maybe that would work okay [TS]

01:01:59   maybe I've had a lot of people recommend [TS]

01:02:02   using them back please be to hold on [TS]

01:02:04   John I'm almost done I promise okay [TS]

01:02:07   people saying maybe that org it does [TS]

01:02:09   work people do do this it is the thing [TS]

01:02:11   you have to futz [TS]

01:02:11   but it absolutely is the thing that [TS]

01:02:13   works with that place you can trick back [TS]

01:02:14   plays into backing up your network share [TS]

01:02:16   either by using eyes guys you like Marco [TS]

01:02:17   which no one should do or by using the [TS]

01:02:20   various means to mount your thing [TS]

01:02:22   through NFS or Auto FS or whatever and [TS]

01:02:24   that will work as well but that's also [TS]

01:02:27   annoying right and that's the thing is I [TS]

01:02:29   want something that's not fiddly because [TS]

01:02:30   for all the bad things I have to say [TS]

01:02:31   about crash plan it was not fiddly which [TS]

01:02:33   is good so what was my final option Oh [TS]

01:02:37   back lays b2 that's what it was one of [TS]

01:02:39   the things that back lays is offering is [TS]

01:02:41   instead of doing the traditional [TS]

01:02:45   Backblaze home offering you can do back [TS]

01:02:49   lays b2 and I'm not entirely clear on [TS]

01:02:52   the delineation between the two but for [TS]

01:02:54   the purposes of the conversation so far [TS]

01:02:55   anyway it's basically a different kind [TS]

01:02:57   of storage plan a different kind of [TS]

01:02:58   setup where it's half a cent a gigabyte [TS]

01:03:02   per month in order to back up to there [TS]

01:03:04   and if you were to download more than [TS]

01:03:07   just a pittance then there's a charge [TS]

01:03:09   for that but that would hypothetically [TS]

01:03:11   work for the Synology and in fact they [TS]

01:03:14   either they have software or I think [TS]

01:03:16   it's actually the Synology itself has a [TS]

01:03:18   a front end that can upload directly to [TS]

01:03:20   B 2 such that it would be very not [TS]

01:03:23   fiddly however I have personally between [TS]

01:03:28   4 and 5 terabytes of stuff on the [TS]

01:03:30   Synology that I think is worth backing [TS]

01:03:31   up now a lot of that is is say ripped [TS]

01:03:35   copies of blu-rays that I still own [TS]

01:03:37   before anyone starts calling the RIAA [TS]

01:03:39   and MPAA that - thank you if my bad but [TS]

01:03:45   anyway yeah I I realized that after you [TS]

01:03:47   said it but point being like you know [TS]

01:03:48   I'm not even talking about things that [TS]

01:03:50   have fallen off of trucks a lot of this [TS]

01:03:51   stuff is stuff that I have in Plex for [TS]

01:03:53   convenience if nothing else and I [TS]

01:03:55   recognize that I could rebuild it and I [TS]

01:03:56   could perhaps exclusive exclude that [TS]

01:03:58   from the backup but here again my my [TS]

01:04:01   preference is I am willing to throw some [TS]

01:04:03   modicum of money at this problem in [TS]

01:04:05   order to make my life easier this [TS]

01:04:08   probably sounds familiar given our [TS]

01:04:10   conversation about Marko selling things [TS]

01:04:11   so if I wanted to go to b2 which is my [TS]

01:04:14   current theory it equates to roughly 20 [TS]

01:04:19   bucks a month which is a far cry from I [TS]

01:04:21   think the 60-ish dollars a year that I [TS]

01:04:24   was giving to crash [TS]

01:04:25   plans so I think the two most appealing [TS]

01:04:27   options for me and then I'm gonna stop [TS]

01:04:28   talking is go to the CrashPlan small [TS]

01:04:31   business plan which is probably [TS]

01:04:32   approximately the same money I was [TS]

01:04:35   paying and it should in theory capture [TS]

01:04:37   the Synology like he used to and there's [TS]

01:04:40   a lot of me that's thinking that may be [TS]

01:04:41   the right answer or finally use this as [TS]

01:04:44   the excuse to divorce from CrashPlan and [TS]

01:04:47   just use a combination of b2 for the [TS]

01:04:49   Synology and regular Backblaze for my [TS]

01:04:52   iMac and just do it that way so that is [TS]

01:04:56   a lot of I know that was not a very [TS]

01:04:57   brief summary but there's a lot here so [TS]

01:04:59   let me I guess start by saying Marco [TS]

01:05:03   what do you what are your thoughts on I [TS]

01:05:04   scuzzy and then John I think you're in a [TS]

01:05:06   similar scenario to me so I'd like to [TS]

01:05:07   hear your thoughts on a more general [TS]

01:05:09   level after Marcos well first let me [TS]

01:05:12   step back a little bit let me say my [TS]

01:05:15   opening statement to I know John's and I [TS]

01:05:20   do think it's worth considering how much [TS]

01:05:24   giant storage you actually need to keep [TS]

01:05:27   and backup and everything you know we we [TS]

01:05:29   as as nerds and as computer power users [TS]

01:05:31   have for years you know many of us have [TS]

01:05:34   kept these giant media libraries giant [TS]

01:05:37   media collections and for some people [TS]

01:05:38   yeah I you know if you actually go and [TS]

01:05:41   watch those things on a regular basis [TS]

01:05:43   maybe it's worth keeping those things [TS]

01:05:45   but a lot of us I think ripped them from [TS]

01:05:47   like this like artificial scarcity like [TS]

01:05:49   when we were growing up and then with [TS]

01:05:50   wasn't it a thing really and computer [TS]

01:05:54   media was hard and rare you know it's [TS]

01:05:57   like depression-era [TS]

01:05:58   grandparents like you know you you grow [TS]

01:05:59   up like hoarding this stuff so when you [TS]

01:06:01   now we have these giant hard drives [TS]

01:06:03   giant bandwidth you know media that's [TS]

01:06:05   easier to rip off these giant disks like [TS]

01:06:07   now we want to hoard it alright but the [TS]

01:06:10   fact is like if you actually want to [TS]

01:06:13   like finally go back and re-watch [TS]

01:06:14   something that you've been saving all [TS]

01:06:16   this time like is it really worth having [TS]

01:06:18   paid all the money in the meantime on [TS]

01:06:22   disks on backups of those disks on [TS]

01:06:25   electricity to power these things in [TS]

01:06:27   your house that are on all the time [TS]

01:06:28   suppose you want to watch like one movie [TS]

01:06:30   a month from your collection you just [TS]

01:06:32   pay like five or ten bucks to buy it or [TS]

01:06:35   whatever [TS]

01:06:35   eat eat watch it you know the very few [TS]

01:06:38   time [TS]

01:06:39   is that you actually want to watch me [TS]

01:06:41   out of that giant library and you might [TS]

01:06:43   very well come out ahead [TS]

01:06:44   and you're also gonna think like in that [TS]

01:06:46   scenario where like suppose you don't [TS]

01:06:48   store these all these files and you [TS]

01:06:49   occasionally have to rebuy something to [TS]

01:06:53   to watch it again might you even not [TS]

01:06:56   even have to buy it like will it [TS]

01:06:57   probably be available from like Netflix [TS]

01:07:00   or a video or a few or like with some [TS]

01:07:03   other service that you might already be [TS]

01:07:04   paying for like many of the things that [TS]

01:07:06   I've ripped I've ended up never watching [TS]

01:07:08   because like oh I can just get them on [TS]

01:07:10   Netflix also then if they deal with like [TS]

01:07:12   suppose you have this library of you [TS]

01:07:15   know ripped movies well suppose you [TS]

01:07:16   ripped them as DVDs then HD comes out [TS]

01:07:21   then blueberries come out then 4k comes [TS]

01:07:23   out then 4k HDR comes out like by the [TS]

01:07:26   time you actually want to go back and [TS]

01:07:28   watch the thing is that Eve is your [TS]

01:07:30   version of it even still the best [TS]

01:07:32   quality or can you go on like Netflix [TS]

01:07:35   the Netflix app on your TV that comes [TS]

01:07:38   with your TV for free and watch like the [TS]

01:07:40   same thing in 4k now you know so like I [TS]

01:07:43   I highly suggest that anybody who's [TS]

01:07:46   dealing with this problem of how do I [TS]

01:07:48   backup a massive collection of media [TS]

01:07:50   really do some some introspection here [TS]

01:07:53   as like do I really need to be storing [TS]

01:07:55   all this stuff and if I am storing other [TS]

01:07:57   software I really need to be backing it [TS]

01:07:59   up as much as I'm backing up like my [TS]

01:08:02   family photos or is this a lot less [TS]

01:08:05   important and can I either delete it and [TS]

01:08:06   stop worrying about all this or not be [TS]

01:08:09   backing it up in so many different [TS]

01:08:11   places so that being said if you are [TS]

01:08:15   going to backup stuff like this you know [TS]

01:08:17   we we have these network attached [TS]

01:08:20   storage devices from Synology that they [TS]

01:08:21   sent us a long time ago it was very nice [TS]

01:08:23   of them network attached storage devices [TS]

01:08:25   are very complicated they're a huge [TS]

01:08:29   solution to what might be a small [TS]

01:08:32   problem if your problem is any more disk [TS]

01:08:34   space an ass is massive overkill for [TS]

01:08:37   that problem because they are big [TS]

01:08:39   they're expensive they are entire other [TS]

01:08:41   computers that you need to manage you [TS]

01:08:44   need to run separate software updates [TS]

01:08:46   because they have their own software [TS]

01:08:47   usually their Linux base or something [TS]

01:08:49   and because they're kind of their own [TS]

01:08:50   computers their own kind of servers but [TS]

01:08:52   they don't [TS]

01:08:53   quite run Mac OS or Windows or you know [TS]

01:08:56   anything that you're used to using on a [TS]

01:08:59   regular computer they have their own [TS]

01:09:00   special applications they can't run the [TS]

01:09:02   applications that you might want the [TS]

01:09:04   processors they run it usually very low [TS]

01:09:06   end so certain things like Flex [TS]

01:09:08   transcoding are very limited or you need [TS]

01:09:10   certain models with certain accelerators [TS]

01:09:11   or whatever else they're you know [TS]

01:09:13   running an ass they're very powerful [TS]

01:09:16   because they are there are little app [TS]

01:09:17   platforms but if your main problem is I [TS]

01:09:21   want more disk space for apps that run [TS]

01:09:23   on a Mac I would say an ass is really [TS]

01:09:26   quite overkill [TS]

01:09:27   in the years since we've all gotten [TS]

01:09:30   these network attacks George Nass things [TS]

01:09:32   is okay to say NASA I never quite know [TS]

01:09:34   is that like saying lies or is it like [TS]

01:09:36   is it actually acceptable I think it's [TS]

01:09:39   acceptable [TS]

01:09:40   unlike nitrous Sox whatever the nitrous [TS]

01:09:43   is yeah yeah this is why our car show [TS]

01:09:45   was never good anyway yeah so also in [TS]

01:09:48   the time since we've gotten these nasty [TS]

01:09:50   vices hard drives gotten way bigger like [TS]

01:09:53   we got these when the biggest dist you [TS]

01:09:55   could buy at the time was four terabytes [TS]

01:09:56   now you can get 10 terabyte drives and [TS]

01:09:59   while the 10 terabyte ones are kind of [TS]

01:10:01   expensive they're like about 500 bucks 8 [TS]

01:10:03   terabyte ones which are barely smaller [TS]

01:10:05   are like 300 bucks now like they're like [TS]

01:10:08   these are really like hard drives are [TS]

01:10:10   massive they're way bigger than they [TS]

01:10:12   were even just a few years ago and they [TS]

01:10:15   cost very little per terabyte the amount [TS]

01:10:17   of stuff that we need to store seems it [TS]

01:10:20   seems like if you're if you're able to [TS]

01:10:22   use full-size three and a half inch hard [TS]

01:10:24   drives the heart of capacity has [TS]

01:10:27   dramatically outpaced our needs for you [TS]

01:10:30   know most of the things we're storing [TS]

01:10:31   like you're storing you said about 5 [TS]

01:10:33   terabytes on my on my Synology which I [TS]

01:10:35   you know I I have something like 16 [TS]

01:10:38   terabytes of usable space with the way [TS]

01:10:40   I've arranged all the drives with raid [TS]

01:10:41   and everything I've used out of the 16 [TS]

01:10:44   terabytes I've used about 10 or 8 but [TS]

01:10:47   I've used it very irresponsibly just [TS]

01:10:49   look because I knew I had like infinite [TS]

01:10:51   space so I'm just like throwing stuff [TS]

01:10:53   all over it like I'm here saying yeah [TS]

01:10:55   tons of duplication movies that I will [TS]

01:10:58   probably never watch stuff like that [TS]

01:10:59   like because I just use it incredibly [TS]

01:11:00   responsible now if I wanted to store my [TS]

01:11:03   incredibly irresponsible roughly 10 [TS]

01:11:05   terabytes of stuff [TS]

01:11:06   I could get to 10 terabyte hard drives [TS]

01:11:08   and put them in RAID one and be done so [TS]

01:11:10   an ass first of all I don't think the [TS]

01:11:12   complexity of an ass makes sense if [TS]

01:11:13   you're gonna have fewer than about five [TS]

01:11:15   or even eight disks and and if you're [TS]

01:11:18   gonna have it you know it's this massive [TS]

01:11:19   things like if you're gonna have an ass [TS]

01:11:22   at all I think you to have a really good [TS]

01:11:24   reason for why specifically that's the [TS]

01:11:26   right approach for you as opposed to [TS]

01:11:28   just any other option that's simpler [TS]

01:11:31   that's maybe more local to a computer [TS]

01:11:33   you know I understand and mostly agree [TS]

01:11:37   with everything you've said however I [TS]

01:11:39   think I would be remiss not to not [TS]

01:11:42   mention that there are a lot of things [TS]

01:11:44   that my Synology does that I am glad I [TS]

01:11:48   have the Synology to do it so as an [TS]

01:11:50   example I really like that I can have my [TS]

01:11:54   Synology act as a VPN endpoint I really [TS]

01:11:57   like that I can have my Synology act as [TS]

01:11:59   a downloader for you know torrents such [TS]

01:12:04   as Linux distros and other legal things [TS]

01:12:06   or you know if I wanted to download some [TS]

01:12:09   sort of binary from a newsgroup again [TS]

01:12:11   nothing but legal things then I can do [TS]

01:12:13   that sort of thing now to be fair all of [TS]

01:12:16   those can be done on my iMac that is [TS]

01:12:18   also usually on 24/7 but I do like that [TS]

01:12:22   there is something off to the side that [TS]

01:12:24   handles these sorts of things and so I [TS]

01:12:27   agree with you that that if all you're [TS]

01:12:30   looking for is a big hard drive there [TS]

01:12:32   are better ways to solve this problem [TS]

01:12:33   but in a lot of cases you may want just [TS]

01:12:37   an absurdly large hard drive which this [TS]

01:12:40   functions as and and that allows you to [TS]

01:12:42   treat it as infinite storage because [TS]

01:12:43   I've done the exact same thing you've [TS]

01:12:45   done or maybe you want it to actually [TS]

01:12:47   maybe you want to actually leverage some [TS]

01:12:50   of the features of this computer that's [TS]

01:12:52   always on on your network and so there's [TS]

01:12:54   something to be said for that too oh [TS]

01:12:56   absolutely and and there are other [TS]

01:12:58   options for that too so like and and so [TS]

01:13:01   before before I forget to cover the I [TS]

01:13:03   scuzzy topic because I want I want to [TS]

01:13:05   then move on to just attaching disk to a [TS]

01:13:07   Mac but before I forget to cover eyes [TS]

01:13:09   Guzzi so for those unfamiliar the way I [TS]

01:13:12   scuzzy works in an a situation like this [TS]

01:13:14   is basically the NASS treats a disk [TS]

01:13:19   partition [TS]

01:13:20   usually you know it's you say like [TS]

01:13:21   alright these four just whatever make [TS]

01:13:23   these into like a raid 5 raid 10 set [TS]

01:13:25   this is now a nice cozy volume and then [TS]

01:13:27   you you can see that I scuzzy software [TS]

01:13:29   called nice cuz the initiator for some [TS]

01:13:31   reason now to drive her not software and [TS]

01:13:33   I don't have to call it initiator don't [TS]

01:13:34   know I don't care please don't email me [TS]

01:13:36   about that so you get the I scuzzy [TS]

01:13:38   initiator which is $200 or so on the Mac [TS]

01:13:42   because it's not built into Mac OS and [TS]

01:13:45   that allows the Mac to mount that giant [TS]

01:13:49   block of storage on the NASS as a local [TS]

01:13:52   disc and it treats it like a local disc [TS]

01:13:54   the Mac like the application of the Mac [TS]

01:13:56   I'll see it as a local disc including [TS]

01:13:59   Backblaze which is why this works and [TS]

01:14:00   the Mac you actually format this virtual [TS]

01:14:03   drive at from the max filesystem like [TS]

01:14:06   you format it as Asian Fest or I hope [TS]

01:14:10   eventually a PFS and then as far as Max [TS]

01:14:13   is concerned that's a hard drive put [TS]

01:14:15   into it they said it happens to be over [TS]

01:14:17   your network and you know being hosted [TS]

01:14:19   physically by the NASS this has a number [TS]

01:14:22   of advantages you know it does allow [TS]

01:14:24   things like Backblaze to work [TS]

01:14:26   it also lets the Mac think the drive is [TS]

01:14:29   native so like if you're only using [TS]

01:14:31   network shared drives in the regular [TS]

01:14:34   Nass way where the NASS just opens up [TS]

01:14:36   shares over NFS or SMB or whatever you [TS]

01:14:39   know whatever protocols it's using [TS]

01:14:41   certain things on the Mac don't work [TS]

01:14:43   very well like because it's a network [TS]

01:14:44   share so it doesn't auto map for one [TS]

01:14:46   usually and then it things like [TS]

01:14:48   spotlight don't work very well like [TS]

01:14:50   searching a network share doesn't work [TS]

01:14:51   very well certain applications don't [TS]

01:14:53   like running on network shares or [TS]

01:14:54   operating on files on network share [TS]

01:14:55   stuff like that a nice cozy volume [TS]

01:14:57   because it is just like dumb block [TS]

01:14:59   storage over the network there is no [TS]

01:15:02   sharing of it like only one thing can be [TS]

01:15:03   connected at a time like that is it's [TS]

01:15:05   disk the whatever computer is running [TS]

01:15:08   the initiator like that's that's the one [TS]

01:15:09   that's using it there's no sharing you [TS]

01:15:12   can share it from that computer as like [TS]

01:15:14   a Mac share which I actually do on mine [TS]

01:15:16   but then all the all the NASA's built in [TS]

01:15:19   applications if there's like a media [TS]

01:15:21   server application or plex on the NASA [TS]

01:15:23   whatever else also all the supplications [TS]

01:15:24   can't see the data anymore because as [TS]

01:15:27   far as the NASA concerned this is just a [TS]

01:15:28   big block of bits it cannot see the [TS]

01:15:30   filesystem that's the running on it it [TS]

01:15:32   is not interacting with it at all [TS]

01:15:33   so it's really a pretty big waste of a [TS]

01:15:37   NASA's capabilities to use I scuzzy also [TS]

01:15:40   I scuzzy is fragile you know because [TS]

01:15:42   you're treating the network like a local [TS]

01:15:44   disk it must be on a wiry connection if [TS]

01:15:47   that connection drops for a second it on [TS]

01:15:49   mats and that could be you know damaging [TS]

01:15:52   your data whatever else if it comes at [TS]

01:15:53   the wrong time or whatever else happens [TS]

01:15:55   and it's certainly inconvenient amounts [TS]

01:15:57   and in general I don't recommend I [TS]

01:16:00   scuzzy to anybody because you are [TS]

01:16:02   wasting the NASA's abilities as an [TS]

01:16:04   application platform you are needed to [TS]

01:16:07   have another computer being always on [TS]

01:16:09   computer on the network you know like in [TS]

01:16:11   my case it's a Mac Mini and this Mac [TS]

01:16:13   Mini does a few different things for me [TS]

01:16:15   and it hosts this giant ice cozy volume [TS]

01:16:17   off the Synology it's like you're [TS]

01:16:20   already you're you're already using a [TS]

01:16:22   computer that's on all the time anyway [TS]

01:16:23   but using an ass as basically a giant [TS]

01:16:25   hard drive enclosure which is fine if [TS]

01:16:27   you already have one but I would never [TS]

01:16:30   in a million years recommend that [TS]

01:16:31   anybody who's starting fresh and doesn't [TS]

01:16:33   already own an ass do this it is a [TS]

01:16:35   terrible idea [TS]

01:16:36   and nobody ever should do this alright [TS]

01:16:40   John you've been very patient I [TS]

01:16:42   appreciate it [TS]

01:16:42   tell us your thoughts well I was gonna [TS]

01:16:45   talk about a alternatives to crash plan [TS]

01:16:48   but now apparently I have to defend the [TS]

01:16:50   concept of an ass and also the idea of [TS]

01:16:54   keeping movies so the the one area I [TS]

01:16:59   think didn't get mentioned by Marco and [TS]

01:17:01   one of the main reasons that I used an [TS]

01:17:02   ass aside from the things Kasey was [TS]

01:17:04   talking about like having a little [TS]

01:17:05   computer and all the applications which [TS]

01:17:06   I do use and enjoy is that you know the [TS]

01:17:09   hard drives these hard drives are big [TS]

01:17:11   and cheaper eight terabyte hard drives [TS]

01:17:12   10 terabyte hard drives or whatever oh [TS]

01:17:14   that whole discussion was about spinning [TS]

01:17:16   disks these are all spinning disks [TS]

01:17:18   they're you know eight terabyte SSDs are [TS]

01:17:20   not cheap all right right you can buy [TS]

01:17:22   them not cheap right so these are all [TS]

01:17:24   spinning discs spinning disks are big [TS]

01:17:26   noisy and hot I like big cheap storage [TS]

01:17:31   especially for stuff like movies where [TS]

01:17:32   it's just sequential reads and stuff [TS]

01:17:33   like that I do not like spinning discs [TS]

01:17:36   anywhere near me so I like the idea of a [TS]

01:17:40   bunch of big cheap hot noisy expensive [TS]

01:17:44   discs far far away from me for [TS]

01:17:46   far away means network means the network [TS]

01:17:49   attached storage so even if I just [TS]

01:17:52   wanted the cheapest bucket of drives to [TS]

01:17:55   throw crap into and even if an ass had [TS]

01:17:58   no applications I would still want an [TS]

01:18:00   ass just to get those disks far away [TS]

01:18:02   from me and I would only be using them [TS]

01:18:04   not for like primary storage but for for [TS]

01:18:06   very large files that will mostly be [TS]

01:18:08   read sequentially so I wouldn't put my [TS]

01:18:10   photo library on an ass don't do that [TS]

01:18:12   you probably be sad right I wouldn't put [TS]

01:18:13   my applications there or anything like [TS]

01:18:15   that but big data files there and of [TS]

01:18:19   course an ass doesn't just give me a big [TS]

01:18:20   bucket of stuff it gives me all the [TS]

01:18:21   other things so that's that's why I [TS]

01:18:23   think about this law I look at my sin [TS]

01:18:24   analogy down there something to think [TS]

01:18:25   about I ripped out all those drives [TS]

01:18:26   replace them all with 8 terabytes how [TS]

01:18:29   much space whatever by the way I'm like [TS]

01:18:30   the two of you I don't know I kind of [TS]

01:18:33   dunno I know how this happened but I am [TS]

01:18:35   I have not been using my we have the [TS]

01:18:37   same amount of store I have not been [TS]

01:18:38   using my storage frivolously I've been [TS]

01:18:41   using it carefully after I watch them [TS]

01:18:46   right like if I ever watch a movie and [TS]

01:18:48   it was crap immediately you know deleted [TS]

01:18:50   if I rip a movie but then a new version [TS]

01:18:53   comes out I delete that and rip the the [TS]

01:18:56   new version right I have and have been [TS]

01:18:59   using it frivolously and yet my analogy [TS]

01:19:02   has been basically on the verge of being [TS]

01:19:05   full meaning like only a few hundred [TS]

01:19:06   gigabytes available on various volumes [TS]

01:19:08   for almost this entire life the main [TS]

01:19:12   reason is I do Time Machine backups to [TS]

01:19:15   it if you do it if you have a couple of [TS]

01:19:17   machines with a terabyte internal hard [TS]

01:19:20   drives plus some external drives both [TS]

01:19:22   time machine backing up to your Synology [TS]

01:19:24   your backups get pretty big pretty fast [TS]

01:19:26   so I've allocated a chunk of it to for [TS]

01:19:28   backups for my two Macs right that's two [TS]

01:19:32   terabytes just for their internal drives [TS]

01:19:34   plus the three other internal drives [TS]

01:19:36   there are a Mac Pro and the external [TS]

01:19:38   drives that are attached to my wife's [TS]

01:19:39   iMac so that's a couple of terabytes [TS]

01:19:41   there and I have that on a raid set with [TS]

01:19:46   some redundancy protection it's not raid [TS]

01:19:48   zero right so there's more drives being [TS]

01:19:50   used up so let's slow down slow down [TS]

01:19:53   slow down you have your time machine [TS]

01:19:55   volume with raid redundancy yes [TS]

01:19:59   yes see I I i I'm not gonna say you're [TS]

01:20:03   wrong there but when I was asking Marco [TS]

01:20:06   cuz I think Marco had either gotten his [TS]

01:20:08   Synology before me or maybe just set it [TS]

01:20:09   up before me [TS]

01:20:10   I'd ask Marco you know how did you do [TS]

01:20:12   this and we have eight bay so knowledge [TS]

01:20:14   ease and and what Marco recommended [TS]

01:20:17   which I think was a good call was do was [TS]

01:20:20   it raid zero for two of the physical [TS]

01:20:22   drives so basically you're making one [TS]

01:20:24   large hard drive out of two physical [TS]

01:20:27   hard drives but having absolutely no [TS]

01:20:29   redundancy and the only thing that goes [TS]

01:20:31   on that volume is my time machine [TS]

01:20:34   backups so if I drop one yeah I lose my [TS]

01:20:36   time machine backups I I cannot tell you [TS]

01:20:39   the last time I've needed a time machine [TS]

01:20:40   back up I still use it because I want it [TS]

01:20:43   to be there but I haven't used one in [TS]

01:20:45   forever and yes this is where everyone [TS]

01:20:48   writes us in says Oh raid zero you [TS]

01:20:49   should never use that blah blah it's [TS]

01:20:51   just for time machine that's it all so I [TS]

01:20:55   can follow up that I'm I think I I can't [TS]

01:20:58   tell from here but I think I actually [TS]

01:21:00   switched it over to raid one when I [TS]

01:21:02   upgraded its storage capacity a few [TS]

01:21:04   years later because but I would also say [TS]

01:21:07   also like you know it also only makes [TS]

01:21:09   sense to do raid zero on Time Machine if [TS]

01:21:10   my machine is not your primary backup [TS]

01:21:13   you know which for us it isn't like I [TS]

01:21:15   have a super-duper clone that's local to [TS]

01:21:17   to the computer it's like a little local [TS]

01:21:19   SSD that I tape onto the desk and and so [TS]

01:21:21   like that is my primary backup our main [TS]

01:21:23   drive time machine is a convenience [TS]

01:21:26   historical backup only I also have cloud [TS]

01:21:28   backup look there's the you know we have [TS]

01:21:30   multiple things so if Time Machine is [TS]

01:21:33   one of multiple things and you are and [TS]

01:21:36   you want to not waste too much harddrive [TS]

01:21:38   space on it that's when I recommend [TS]

01:21:41   using raid zero if you're gonna do [TS]

01:21:42   something like this but even today like [TS]

01:21:44   again like a lot of this made sense back [TS]

01:21:46   when we were doing it in when we're [TS]

01:21:48   setting this up like what three years [TS]

01:21:49   ago but these days with with the hard [TS]

01:21:53   drive just so big it really removes a [TS]

01:21:57   lot of the need to use RAID much at all [TS]

01:21:59   or if you're going to use raid now you [TS]

01:22:01   can much more often just use RAID one [TS]

01:22:03   which is just straight mirroring and it [TS]

01:22:05   the loss of the disk space doesn't [TS]

01:22:06   really matter as much that's less space [TS]

01:22:09   efficient than the other raid schemes [TS]

01:22:10   that let you use more of the space but [TS]

01:22:13   I'm more inclined to use raid0 I don't [TS]

01:22:15   do this now but I'd be more inclined to [TS]

01:22:16   use red zero for my media because media [TS]

01:22:18   has less churn and there's less versions [TS]

01:22:21   you know though but absolute Ripper [TS]

01:22:22   clones - right but super duper z' don't [TS]

01:22:24   save all versions I want to save as many [TS]

01:22:25   old versions as possible and if if I had [TS]

01:22:29   raid zero and one of the disks died I've [TS]

01:22:31   lost all versions of Time Machine [TS]

01:22:33   backups for two entire Mac's [TS]

01:22:34   right now I have other Time Machine [TS]

01:22:36   backups - anyway I have a little bit [TS]

01:22:37   understand I have liberties but anyway [TS]

01:22:39   that that burns a lot of disks and then [TS]

01:22:41   of course I have my media I don't have a [TS]

01:22:43   lot a lot of media and I do delete stuff [TS]

01:22:46   from it but it adds up is I also have [TS]

01:22:47   stuff in there like every WWDC video [TS]

01:22:50   that Apple has ever released and the [TS]

01:22:51   highest definition right that's the [TS]

01:22:53   perfect thing for that right and it's [TS]

01:22:55   like are you ever gonna watch it I'm [TS]

01:22:57   archiving it I can't easily get that [TS]

01:22:58   stuff again I have lots of crap like [TS]

01:23:01   that and so that's my analogy basically [TS]

01:23:03   filled up - anyway I I like it I like [TS]

01:23:05   having an ass I like those big spinning [TS]

01:23:07   you know he's far away from me and [TS]

01:23:09   despite how huge it is I would even want [TS]

01:23:12   more of it um and like Casey said before [TS]

01:23:15   that's why I'm using CrashPlan in that [TS]

01:23:17   Backblaze is because you know on my Mac [TS]

01:23:19   I use back plays on my wife's Mac I use [TS]

01:23:21   CrashPlan and on her Mac I mount to this [TS]

01:23:25   analogy and I have CrashPlan back up the [TS]

01:23:28   Synology volumes just like any other [TS]

01:23:29   thing because it doesn't work backups no [TS]

01:23:32   CrashPlan like back plays it's a flat [TS]

01:23:34   fee for unlimited data and like Casey I [TS]

01:23:37   take advantage of that and I have about [TS]

01:23:38   5 terabytes fresh enough to crash plants [TS]

01:23:40   like you said you know there's many [TS]

01:23:42   times as you want so I did that's just [TS]

01:23:45   for Jason snow I probably blew the quote [TS]

01:23:47   sorry Jason [TS]

01:23:48   so yeah so it was a great deal right and [TS]

01:23:51   maybe that's why they're not offering it [TS]

01:23:52   anymore it was like we can't afford to [TS]

01:23:53   do that right so I'm in the same [TS]

01:23:55   situation as Casey where they're their [TS]

01:23:57   Sun setting and consumer product and I [TS]

01:23:59   have to figure out what I'm gonna do [TS]

01:24:01   about it the I forget how much I'm [TS]

01:24:05   paying for our crash plant per year but [TS]

01:24:07   it's it's super cheap especially for the [TS]

01:24:08   amount of data I'm putting on it the [TS]

01:24:10   offer they have for the small business [TS]

01:24:13   thing it's least twice as expensive as [TS]

01:24:18   the consumer one but still only like $10 [TS]

01:24:20   a month per device for people with [TS]

01:24:22   multiple devices that's a problem but [TS]

01:24:24   I've only got [TS]

01:24:24   one device is my wife's Mac that I'm [TS]

01:24:26   doing that with so I don't mind that [TS]

01:24:28   much the small business thing will have [TS]

01:24:30   a link to the CrashPlan fact one of the [TS]

01:24:33   questions on the fact is can i still [TS]

01:24:35   move to CrashPlan for small business [TS]

01:24:36   even if I'm not a small business the [TS]

01:24:38   answer yes you can anyone can migrate it [TS]

01:24:41   like other wise it's just called small [TS]

01:24:44   business you don't have to be a small [TS]

01:24:45   business although annoyingly they make [TS]

01:24:46   you enter a company name so I entered [TS]

01:24:48   some bogus thing or whatever but you do [TS]

01:24:50   not have to be a small business use a [TS]

01:24:52   small business and it's $10 per month [TS]

01:24:53   per device but if you're a current [TS]

01:24:56   crash-land subscriber there's an apology [TS]

01:24:58   price for one year this that is 75% off [TS]

01:25:02   so it's two dollars and fifty cents a [TS]

01:25:05   month to upload unlimited data to [TS]

01:25:10   CrashPlan and if you already have a [TS]

01:25:11   CrashPlan thing you don't have to [TS]

01:25:12   re-upload your five terabytes it will [TS]

01:25:15   migrate your existing five terabyte back [TS]

01:25:17   up and you'll just continue as normal [TS]

01:25:19   that deal was too good for me to pass up [TS]

01:25:21   two dollars and fifty cents a month for [TS]

01:25:23   a year starting at the end of my current [TS]

01:25:26   subscription that was extended for 60 [TS]

01:25:27   days for unlimited backup yes please [TS]

01:25:30   right even when it goes into ten dollars [TS]

01:25:32   a month I might keep paying it just for [TS]

01:25:33   the convenience I'm pretty sure I'm [TS]

01:25:35   still running the java application and [TS]

01:25:37   no it's not the most efficient thing in [TS]

01:25:38   the world and it fills my disk with big [TS]

01:25:40   files and takes a lot of memory and does [TS]

01:25:42   stuff but in general I have enough [TS]

01:25:43   control to make it lay off when I'm [TS]

01:25:44   using the computer and only room and I'm [TS]

01:25:46   not using it and for the most part it's [TS]

01:25:48   done its job they do they do a you know [TS]

01:25:51   it does a pretty good job of finding the [TS]

01:25:52   files and backing them up and I just I [TS]

01:25:55   just can't beat that pricing right and [TS]

01:25:57   so after at the end of at the end of [TS]

01:26:00   2018 when my gravy train ends and I have [TS]

01:26:04   to decide whether I want to start paying [TS]

01:26:06   $10 a month for my five terabyte backup [TS]

01:26:10   that I might be like okay that's you [TS]

01:26:13   know I'll just unsubscribe from Hulu or [TS]

01:26:15   whatever the hell streaming service that [TS]

01:26:16   I haven't used to take that money and [TS]

01:26:18   and put it towards this or I might use [TS]

01:26:22   one of the alternatives Erie listed but [TS]

01:26:23   for now the sort of what's the least I [TS]

01:26:25   can do to not have to think about this [TS]

01:26:27   problem until the end of 2018 it was do [TS]

01:26:30   the small business migration a lot of [TS]

01:26:32   people are mad at crash plan like oh I'm [TS]

01:26:34   never giving my business blah blah they [TS]

01:26:36   should have handled the transition [TS]

01:26:37   better [TS]

01:26:38   arguably the 60-day extension could have [TS]

01:26:40   been like a one-year extension or [TS]

01:26:42   whatever but there's no real easy way to [TS]

01:26:44   do this [TS]

01:26:45   I made a plea to Backblaze which I you [TS]

01:26:47   know use enjoy but that doesn't do [TS]

01:26:49   Network volumes on Twitter which is [TS]

01:26:51   where you where you interact with brands [TS]

01:26:52   in case you didn't know you were sorry [TS]

01:26:54   were you engaged with brands I engaged [TS]

01:26:57   with the brand on Twitter and I said hey [TS]

01:26:59   I would love it if you could backup [TS]

01:27:02   Network shares and the disembodied voice [TS]

01:27:04   of Backblaze the corporation said on [TS]

01:27:06   Twitter unfortunately they left out a [TS]

01:27:09   comma our business model would need a [TS]

01:27:11   lot of reworking for us to offer Nass [TS]

01:27:13   slash server for a fixed rate so it [TS]

01:27:15   basically is any like we don't you know [TS]

01:27:17   and well I'd said that you know so [TS]

01:27:19   obviously they can't they would need to [TS]

01:27:22   figure out how they can pay for that I [TS]

01:27:23   said well you don't need to do what [TS]

01:27:25   CrashPlan did which is whatever the [TS]

01:27:26   thing was like sixty dollars a year for [TS]

01:27:28   unlimited all you need to do is match [TS]

01:27:30   CrashPlan small business because [TS]

01:27:32   crash-land for home is gone you don't [TS]

01:27:33   have to match their price anymore like [TS]

01:27:35   apparently that was an unsustainable [TS]

01:27:36   model right presumably CrashPlan for [TS]

01:27:39   small business is a sustainable model at [TS]

01:27:41   ten dollars per month per device so I [TS]

01:27:44   would love it if Backblaze did that even [TS]

01:27:47   they put a lemon ought they said like [TS]

01:27:48   like you know five terabytes for ten [TS]

01:27:51   dollars a month per device including [TS]

01:27:54   Network things you know like I would I [TS]

01:27:57   would try that right so I don't know [TS]

01:27:58   what they're gonna do there I think b2 [TS]

01:28:00   is their preferred solution for that [TS]

01:28:02   which is not really a service it's it's [TS]

01:28:05   a play on s3 it's just like a storage [TS]

01:28:06   back-end but it has I think the cheapest [TS]

01:28:11   rates let me look at had their pricing [TS]

01:28:13   page up anyone else yeah I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:28:14   it's the cheapest like large online [TS]

01:28:16   block storage thing yeah so it's a point [TS]

01:28:19   zero zero five cents per gigabyte per [TS]

01:28:22   month for storage and point zero two [TS]

01:28:24   I sign in front sorry I was gonna say my [TS]

01:28:32   calculations are on half a cent for [TS]

01:28:36   storage and two cents per gigabyte for a [TS]

01:28:39   download and then it is less than s3 and [TS]

01:28:42   Azure and Google Cloud which are the [TS]

01:28:43   ones they put in a they also have a [TS]

01:28:44   price calculator at the bottom or you [TS]

01:28:46   could say here's what my initial upload [TS]

01:28:48   is here's one monthly upload is here's [TS]

01:28:49   my monthly deleted my monthly down [TS]

01:28:51   load and it will price it out for you [TS]

01:28:53   and it's not that bad but for my data [TS]

01:28:55   for reasonable values that comes out of [TS]

01:28:57   like twenty or thirty dollars a month [TS]

01:28:58   but that's still three times but ten [TS]

01:29:00   dollars a month is but that's just [TS]

01:29:02   storage and Synology can backup directly [TS]

01:29:04   to be two so I could do that [TS]

01:29:06   but want to asked on Twitter as soon as [TS]

01:29:09   this announcement was made okay what's [TS]

01:29:10   everybody's favorite thing that will [TS]

01:29:13   backup a Mac including an ass and in [TS]

01:29:15   that tweet just save my try to save [TS]

01:29:17   myself though it didn't work but tried [TS]

01:29:19   to save myself a little time I said [TS]

01:29:20   what's the best thing that on the Mac [TS]

01:29:22   that backs up to an ass the backs up [TS]

01:29:25   Network at that drives is it Ark or is [TS]

01:29:28   it something else because I knew [TS]

01:29:29   everyone know about Ark and I wanted to [TS]

01:29:32   preempt them by saying yes I'm aware of [TS]

01:29:35   Ark I'm checking in with everybody to [TS]

01:29:37   see is there something else out there [TS]

01:29:38   that's better and some people did get [TS]

01:29:40   alternate suggestions that I looked at [TS]

01:29:41   but then a thousand people are bought [TS]

01:29:42   you try Ark anyway Ark a Mac application [TS]

01:29:46   a third-party Mac application that will [TS]

01:29:49   backup your Mac it's been it's been in [TS]

01:29:51   development for a long time now and it's [TS]

01:29:53   sort of novel thing is that you choose [TS]

01:29:56   and pay for whatever storage back-end [TS]

01:29:58   you want so if you want to pay for [TS]

01:30:00   Amazon glacier or Amazon Drive or s3 or [TS]

01:30:04   B to Ark will backup to any of them mark [TS]

01:30:07   as a backup program it just says just [TS]

01:30:08   point me at your place where you want me [TS]

01:30:12   to put the data and it will put its data [TS]

01:30:13   there and its format or whatever it does [TS]

01:30:15   blah blah but you have to choose the [TS]

01:30:17   storage thing and you pay for the [TS]

01:30:19   storage thing so and you could change [TS]

01:30:22   like you could you know stop paying for [TS]

01:30:24   b2 and switch to Amazon drive or [TS]

01:30:26   something presumably you have to you [TS]

01:30:27   know transfer your backup over there or [TS]

01:30:28   whatever so it's a nice divorce from the [TS]

01:30:31   backup program and the storage back-end [TS]

01:30:33   and a lot of people use that and they [TS]

01:30:35   enjoy them they've been successful with [TS]

01:30:37   it but given these storage back-end [TS]

01:30:39   pricing [TS]

01:30:39   none of these come close to matching [TS]

01:30:41   CrashPlan splicing pricing or bad places [TS]

01:30:43   pricing for that matter if you're not [TS]

01:30:44   doing network attached storage so it [TS]

01:30:47   seems like Ark is sort of the power user [TS]

01:30:49   fancy thing where you get to pick the [TS]

01:30:51   components and assemble it but if you [TS]

01:30:53   have a huge amount of data like I do it [TS]

01:30:56   just can't match the price of one of [TS]

01:30:57   these all-you-can-eat things and all [TS]

01:30:59   that you can meet things I'm being [TS]

01:31:00   subsidized by people who backup like 100 [TS]

01:31:02   Meg's right that's how they can be so [TS]

01:31:03   cheapest because [TS]

01:31:04   I'm paying the same amount per month for [TS]

01:31:06   back blazer for CrashPlan as somebody [TS]

01:31:08   who backs up like their 100 megabyte [TS]

01:31:10   little folder of stuff right and so [TS]

01:31:12   that's how I happens on him you know [TS]

01:31:15   that's how these services can afford to [TS]

01:31:16   give you the flower right because most [TS]

01:31:17   people don't upload 5 terabytes it's [TS]

01:31:20   just the stinkers like me and Casey that [TS]

01:31:22   are for everybody else right but but you [TS]

01:31:24   know that's how they have to figure out [TS]

01:31:26   they're sort of you know histogram of [TS]

01:31:28   how much people upload and make all the [TS]

01:31:30   math work out whereas things like s3 and [TS]

01:31:33   b2 where they're just selling you [TS]

01:31:34   storage they just charge you for the [TS]

01:31:36   storage like it's all you know it's all [TS]

01:31:37   completely chunked out it's like well [TS]

01:31:39   we're just a storage back-end and you [TS]

01:31:41   don't get the - you don't get the past [TS]

01:31:43   less for your storage just because [TS]

01:31:45   someone else store is a little bit less [TS]

01:31:47   than our thing it's it's a exactly [TS]

01:31:49   dollars per gigabyte very granular [TS]

01:31:52   service that doesn't care what you're [TS]

01:31:53   doing with the storage you just pay for [TS]

01:31:54   what you use and plus the paying for [TS]

01:31:57   transfers is another thing that really [TS]

01:31:58   it really bites you to paying on how [TS]

01:31:59   much transfers you do so that was my [TS]

01:32:04   choice for now is it basically I'm [TS]

01:32:05   punting it down the road I'm gonna [TS]

01:32:07   continue using CrashPlan for as long as [TS]

01:32:09   I can also because I don't want to [TS]

01:32:11   upload five terabytes anyplace else [TS]

01:32:12   again I mean I have a fast connection [TS]

01:32:14   but that would take a long time and [TS]

01:32:16   during that time I would have no cloud [TS]

01:32:18   backups of my thingies now to get back [TS]

01:32:20   to Marco's point about not backing up [TS]

01:32:22   not even having stuff on there in the [TS]

01:32:24   first place for like ripped movies that [TS]

01:32:26   you're never going to watch and others [TS]

01:32:28   big stuff like that you could just you [TS]

01:32:30   know pay five dollars to get it online [TS]

01:32:32   or streaming from Netflix or whatever [TS]

01:32:34   that only works for the people who [TS]

01:32:37   aren't using an ass like Casey was just [TS]

01:32:39   subscribing where there or like I have [TS]

01:32:41   tried to do but I had to bail on and may [TS]

01:32:44   try again ripping blu-rays without [TS]

01:32:47   recompressing them right because there [TS]

01:32:50   is nothing i'm recompressing them mo [TS]

01:32:52   your complete animal like you are all [TS]

01:32:54   right well anyway a lot of people rip [TS]

01:32:56   them and don't recompress them just so [TS]

01:32:57   they don't have to deal with blu-ray [TS]

01:32:58   discs which as has been established in [TS]

01:32:59   the show are terrible right so you just [TS]

01:33:01   get rid of everything except the movie [TS]

01:33:02   the actual movie file you hit play and [TS]

01:33:04   it starts playing the movie right that [TS]

01:33:06   actually is not a bad idea at all yeah [TS]

01:33:08   but the thing is they're humongous and [TS]

01:33:11   you know even if you watch them rarely [TS]

01:33:13   is that always easy just to buy it on [TS]

01:33:15   iTunes you can't get a [TS]

01:33:17   you know a 4k you know if you have a 4k [TS]

01:33:20   blu-ray thing UHD blu-ray and you rip [TS]

01:33:23   that losslessly there is nothing you can [TS]

01:33:25   get online streaming that can match that [TS]

01:33:27   quality there's just nothing it's not [TS]

01:33:28   even close even like 4k Netflix is just [TS]

01:33:30   so massively compressed compared to [TS]

01:33:31   where you get off of that plastic disc [TS]

01:33:33   so if you care about that and you have [TS]

01:33:35   some giant Nass somewhere with all these [TS]

01:33:37   50 to 100 gigabyte rips of these things [TS]

01:33:40   right there is no like oh I'll just get [TS]

01:33:43   it online if you don't care about that [TS]

01:33:44   well then why are you ripping a bunch of [TS]

01:33:45   movies to you know I guess to get rid of [TS]

01:33:47   the menus whatever but then the marcoh [TS]

01:33:49   system starts to look better and better [TS]

01:33:50   the less you care about the quality of [TS]

01:33:52   your stuff right I'm kind of in the [TS]

01:33:54   middle where I do care about it I didn't [TS]

01:33:56   have any way to play things like that on [TS]

01:33:57   there so sometimes I have like versions [TS]

01:34:02   of things for kids on there with like [TS]

01:34:04   English dubs and other more rare [TS]

01:34:07   material sometimes I transferred things [TS]

01:34:09   from my TiVo to there to free up space [TS]

01:34:11   on my Tivo which is terrible because the [TS]

01:34:13   compression is anyway it's better you [TS]

01:34:16   don't do that it's dumb but it has [TS]

01:34:18   happened so there's a lot of churn in it [TS]

01:34:21   but it's not always the case that you [TS]

01:34:24   can orbit something like home movies [TS]

01:34:26   like I have all of my Omaha movies taken [TS]

01:34:29   with my camcorder because I'm old and my [TS]

01:34:31   kids are old now and my camcorder right [TS]

01:34:34   I need to get that video off of the [TS]

01:34:37   camcorders DV at least analog off of the [TS]

01:34:40   camcorder and someplace else it's all [TS]

01:34:42   ripped to the Synology then all gets [TS]

01:34:44   backed up so if I had to do sort of like [TS]

01:34:46   a trimming and say you can't back up 5 [TS]

01:34:48   terabytes anymore deal with it I would [TS]

01:34:52   try to stop backing up all of my media [TS]

01:34:54   that is replaceable but I would still [TS]

01:34:57   backup like all my Apple videos I would [TS]

01:35:00   still backup all my kids videos and [TS]

01:35:03   stuff like that and that's probably like [TS]

01:35:05   half of the stuff because I don't have [TS]

01:35:06   that many movies I mean I think I've [TS]

01:35:08   shared my plex thing with with both of [TS]

01:35:10   you guys like there's not that many [TS]

01:35:12   movies in there like my my movie [TS]

01:35:13   collection is mostly on shelves on [TS]

01:35:15   plastic discs and I still take them out [TS]

01:35:16   of the containers and put them in I just [TS]

01:35:18   did it this weekend I took a thing out [TS]

01:35:20   of a plastic out of case and put it into [TS]

01:35:22   a slot and watched a movie it's a thing [TS]

01:35:24   I still do it was a blu-ray it was [TS]

01:35:28   criterion collection and it was look [TS]

01:35:30   really good [TS]

01:35:31   not 4k though but soon like Parker said [TS]

01:35:34   I'll have to be getting the 4k versions [TS]

01:35:36   of all of my favorite movies we're just [TS]

01:35:37   fine I'm fine with it but anyway um yeah [TS]

01:35:43   so CrashPlan sad don't pooh-pooh the [TS]

01:35:46   small business thing take a look at it [TS]

01:35:47   Ark seems to be the consensus for the [TS]

01:35:49   things that you might want to try and if [TS]

01:35:51   you don't have network attached discs [TS]

01:35:52   back place [TS]

01:35:53   I think you've convinced me that I [TS]

01:35:55   should just bite the bullet and move to [TS]

01:35:58   small business because that is [TS]

01:35:59   definitely the price performer I didn't [TS]

01:36:02   use tweet earlier Casey but there was a [TS]

01:36:04   five terabyte limit on it no I don't [TS]

01:36:06   think so [TS]

01:36:07   I checked it's unlimited ok so then if [TS]

01:36:09   it's basically the same thing you were [TS]

01:36:11   getting before just now it's gonna be [TS]

01:36:13   ten bucks a month after the apology [TS]

01:36:14   period instead of five that's you know [TS]

01:36:16   yeah bite the bullet that's still a [TS]

01:36:18   pretty good deal for unlimited space [TS]

01:36:20   with network volumes like that glaze [TS]

01:36:22   beats it by I think about half if for a [TS]

01:36:25   local file but for net to include [TS]

01:36:27   Network files in that that's yeah just [TS]

01:36:30   just pay it that's fine like they're [TS]

01:36:32   they're really showing you a price hike [TS]

01:36:35   here but that's totally fine you know [TS]

01:36:38   you your other alternatives are all [TS]

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01:38:04   doing an ass we talked about doing an [TS]

01:38:06   ass with I scuzzy we've talked about [TS]

01:38:08   trying to just not need any of this [TS]

01:38:09   what if you still need lots of storage [TS]

01:38:11   and you don't want an ass and I've [TS]

01:38:13   wanted to I wanted to close my topic [TS]

01:38:15   hopefully this topic with the other [TS]

01:38:18   option which is if I were starting over [TS]

01:38:21   today how would I do it cuz the only [TS]

01:38:23   reason I have I scuzzy have mine ass now [TS]

01:38:25   is because I already had an ass full of [TS]

01:38:27   big disks and I'm like well I already [TS]

01:38:29   have all the hardware might as well use [TS]

01:38:30   it what I would do today if I was [TS]

01:38:32   starting fresh I already have a Mac Mini [TS]

01:38:35   server in my home I would just get a [TS]

01:38:38   small number probably either 2 or 4 8 [TS]

01:38:42   terabyte or 10 terabyte disks put them [TS]

01:38:45   into very basic enclosures that have [TS]

01:38:47   pretty much no intelligence to them [TS]

01:38:48   whatsoever and plug them into the Mac [TS]

01:38:50   Mini and have it be you know in in the [TS]

01:38:54   you know basement or garage or whatever [TS]

01:38:55   else so the noise isn't pod mirror just [TS]

01:38:57   in the closet and just run either no [TS]

01:39:00   raid whatsoever or the built-in Mac OS [TS]

01:39:03   10 raid or there's an app called soft [TS]

01:39:05   raid that is almost certainly the best [TS]

01:39:08   option for any kind of advanced use as [TS]

01:39:10   software raid on the Mac it's kind of [TS]

01:39:13   expensive it's a hundred and eighty [TS]

01:39:14   bucks for the full woman raid five or if [TS]

01:39:17   you just need raid one or zero it's [TS]

01:39:19   fifty bucks [TS]

01:39:19   and again these days like you can get an [TS]

01:39:22   eight you can get two eight terabyte [TS]

01:39:24   drives for total of 600 bucks you get [TS]

01:39:28   software soft raid live Edition for 50 [TS]

01:39:31   bucks [TS]

01:39:31   split min raid one and you have really [TS]

01:39:34   safe 8 terabytes of storage for under a [TS]

01:39:37   thousand dollars yeah you just build the [TS]

01:39:39   Mac OS nasty realize so here's so [TS]

01:39:43   basically here's where this benefits [TS]

01:39:45   well the downside I think is obvious [TS]

01:39:48   that you know you have to then run on a [TS]

01:39:49   Mac OS you won't get some of the [TS]

01:39:52   advanced rave features most NASA's these [TS]

01:39:54   days including this analogies we have [TS]

01:39:56   have some kind of system to [TS]

01:39:58   automatically expand or at least [TS]

01:40:00   somewhat gracefully expand capacity down [TS]

01:40:02   the road without having to blow away [TS]

01:40:04   your whole volume this is a system [TS]

01:40:06   similar to what Drobo has offered for [TS]

01:40:08   years Gerber made a famous but Drobo is [TS]

01:40:10   terrible nobody should ever used robos [TS]

01:40:12   they are incredibly unreliable if you [TS]

01:40:14   ask around you will see so many horror [TS]

01:40:17   stories from people who have trusted [TS]

01:40:18   Robo and have had that trust be violated [TS]

01:40:21   so I would not recommend Robo and and [TS]

01:40:23   you know so other NASA's offer features [TS]

01:40:25   like that where you can expand volumes [TS]

01:40:28   over time by like replacing a small hard [TS]

01:40:30   drive for the big one and then letting [TS]

01:40:31   the thing rebuild and then eventually [TS]

01:40:33   you can replace another the next drive [TS]

01:40:34   with another big one let that rebuild [TS]

01:40:36   and everything it's a slow process but [TS]

01:40:38   it does indeed work you can't do that [TS]

01:40:41   with I scuzzy [TS]

01:40:41   unfortunately because it you know just [TS]

01:40:43   has to be that one big block and can't [TS]

01:40:45   resize a file system that doesn't know [TS]

01:40:47   about you also as far as I know can't do [TS]

01:40:50   that if you do a direct attached Mac [TS]

01:40:52   method like what I'm what I'm saying [TS]

01:40:53   here if like just get some drives plug [TS]

01:40:55   it into a Mac as far as I know you can't [TS]

01:40:57   do that in any way on the Mac that's at [TS]

01:40:59   all reasonable except if you use the [TS]

01:41:01   Drobo which again you should not do [TS]

01:41:03   other than that other than losing [TS]

01:41:05   dynamic expansion though a lot of the [TS]

01:41:07   other stuff I actually find to either be [TS]

01:41:09   a wash on the Mac or to be better so [TS]

01:41:11   software wise if you think about like [TS]

01:41:13   all the stuff case you know you've run [TS]

01:41:14   on your Synology you run plex you run a [TS]

01:41:17   VPN server you run the photo hosting [TS]

01:41:20   it's like I honestly don't know what VPN [TS]

01:41:22   server options exist for mac OS but I'm [TS]

01:41:24   sure they exist oh definitely you can [TS]

01:41:27   definitely run plex because I do and so [TS]

01:41:29   I know I know that works it's even [TS]

01:41:31   better because you have more processing [TS]

01:41:33   power right right to quickly interrupt [TS]

01:41:35   and to be absolutely clear the [TS]

01:41:36   particular Nass that we have it is not [TS]

01:41:39   powerful enough to be the Plex host so [TS]

01:41:43   really my plex host is the iMac it's [TS]

01:41:46   simply serving the content off of the [TS]

01:41:49   Synology so I used my Synology as my [TS]

01:41:53   primary plex server only when I had in [TS]

01:41:55   the rare case where I can't transcode I [TS]

01:41:57   switched to the iMac flex server so you [TS]

01:42:00   know this is an aside that I wouldn't [TS]

01:42:02   have interrupted had I realized we were [TS]

01:42:03   going down since we've since I've [TS]

01:42:05   interrupted here we are [TS]

01:42:07   what I noticed was when I first started [TS]

01:42:09   using the the Synology with Plex being [TS]

01:42:13   served on the Synology it could not keep [TS]

01:42:16   up with the media I was looking at at [TS]

01:42:18   the time however I have been extremely [TS]

01:42:21   diligent for literally years that [TS]

01:42:24   anytime I add something to the Synology [TS]

01:42:27   I make sure I convert it to mp4 so [TS]

01:42:30   hopefully it can send that natively to [TS]

01:42:33   whatever apple-based client I am viewing [TS]

01:42:36   it upon and it's rare I use anything to [TS]

01:42:38   look at plex other than an iPad or an [TS]

01:42:40   Apple TV or something like that [TS]

01:42:42   so I wonder if it actually isn't that [TS]

01:42:44   bad if long as I'm not doing like an MKV [TS]

01:42:47   or something like that which sometimes [TS]

01:42:48   is already in h.264 anyway but I guess [TS]

01:42:52   that's a roundabout way of saying I [TS]

01:42:54   should probably try that again [TS]

01:42:55   but and mess with the settings like go [TS]

01:42:57   to original quality so it allows it to [TS]

01:42:59   do with not transcoding it doesn't have [TS]

01:43:01   to be m4v or mp4 it can be MKV like I've [TS]

01:43:04   had a lot of success but obviously h.265 [TS]

01:43:07   forget it like if anything thanks to 6/5 [TS]

01:43:09   I worry that my Mac it's not gonna be [TS]

01:43:12   able to do it until you know high sierra [TS]

01:43:14   or whatever but this analogy can't do it [TS]

01:43:15   prefer I just like it's my go-to think [TS]

01:43:18   that's this when I have the big choice [TS]

01:43:19   of which you know Plex thing do you want [TS]

01:43:21   to pick Synology is the one I pick only [TS]

01:43:23   after I try it first and it fails [TS]

01:43:25   actually if I try it first and it fails [TS]

01:43:26   the next thing I usually try is infuse [TS]

01:43:28   on my Apple TV where it does the [TS]

01:43:30   supposedly does the decoding on the [TS]

01:43:32   Apple TV's CPU yeah yeah and then my [TS]

01:43:35   third choice is Plex and well so the [TS]

01:43:40   reason I brought all this up and I'm [TS]

01:43:41   sorry for interrupting market but the [TS]

01:43:42   reason I brought this up is to say [TS]

01:43:43   you're right that the that I'm using my [TS]

01:43:46   iMac to serve Plex and and that's [TS]

01:43:49   basically what you're talking about [TS]

01:43:51   doing as well yeah exactly like you know [TS]

01:43:53   if you have like basically a headless [TS]

01:43:55   Mac that is running as a server in your [TS]

01:43:58   house and it doesn't have to be a Mac [TS]

01:44:00   Mini it can be just like an old laptop [TS]

01:44:02   or something you know it can be anything [TS]

01:44:04   I think it's important though that it [TS]

01:44:06   you know that it's serving literally a [TS]

01:44:08   server role that it is not used for [TS]

01:44:10   anything else and you then you can like [TS]

01:44:11   you know you can put it somewhere so [TS]

01:44:13   it's out of the way so you don't have to [TS]

01:44:14   deal with harddrive noise like what John [TS]

01:44:16   hates if you don't like the folks with [TS]

01:44:18   hard drives and you can dedicate [TS]

01:44:21   - rolls so like you know not only can [TS]

01:44:23   you do things like we were talking about [TS]

01:44:25   plexus stuff you can also do things that [TS]

01:44:27   are exclusive to Apple platforms like I [TS]

01:44:29   mentioned last week how or two weeks ago [TS]

01:44:31   that I actually have my server Mac Mini [TS]

01:44:35   logged into iCloud photos and the Photos [TS]

01:44:38   app downloads originals to that Mac Mini [TS]

01:44:40   and then back lays backs up those [TS]

01:44:43   originals from that Mac Mini even though [TS]

01:44:45   in addition to the ones that I have my [TS]

01:44:46   main computer because that's one more [TS]

01:44:48   place you can have your originals and [TS]

01:44:49   then maybe you can have a laptop that [TS]

01:44:52   doesn't have a hard drive big enough to [TS]

01:44:54   store your originals but you know you [TS]

01:44:55   have your originals on this other [TS]

01:44:57   computer in your house that is being [TS]

01:44:58   backed up to a cloud backup service also [TS]

01:45:01   because it's a Mac you can use any of [TS]

01:45:03   the cloud backup services you can use [TS]

01:45:05   Ark you can use back plays you can use [TS]

01:45:07   CrashPlan anything else if it runs on [TS]

01:45:10   the Mac you can run on this unlike you [TS]

01:45:12   know on an ass you're limited to [TS]

01:45:14   whatever handful of services have [TS]

01:45:16   clients for that Nass but on a Mac it's [TS]

01:45:19   you can use any of them [TS]

01:45:20   right and you can also do things you [TS]

01:45:22   know you can do Network Time Machine you [TS]

01:45:23   know again - but you can do things like [TS]

01:45:26   Xcode bots that Nasus can't do you can [TS]

01:45:30   run other Mac software like I have a [TS]

01:45:31   fujitsu scansnap scanner and the [TS]

01:45:34   scansnap software is hideous and [TS]

01:45:37   requires the ugliest icon I've ever seen [TS]

01:45:39   to be running on your talk all the time [TS]

01:45:40   so I have run them on the Mac Mini so I [TS]

01:45:42   don't have to have my main computer but [TS]

01:45:44   you can also you know there's also [TS]

01:45:46   occasional other server things that some [TS]

01:45:48   people need in their house you know [TS]

01:45:49   media related things development related [TS]

01:45:51   things I've run my you bik wa t unify [TS]

01:45:54   controller app on there you know just [TS]

01:45:57   like stuff that you have to run on a Mac [TS]

01:45:59   all the time for some reason for your [TS]

01:46:00   home having a Mac server is this isn't [TS]

01:46:04   for everybody of course you know that [TS]

01:46:06   it's I would say it's a luxury but [TS]

01:46:09   compared to an ass I think just a Mac [TS]

01:46:12   server with a small number of giant hard [TS]

01:46:16   drives plugged into it is actually more [TS]

01:46:18   competitive today for what most people [TS]

01:46:21   need than getting something getting some [TS]

01:46:23   big NASA like a Synology the only other [TS]

01:46:26   thing I will add to this is I would say [TS]

01:46:28   if you run a Mac Mini headless which [TS]

01:46:32   means with no display put into it you [TS]

01:46:33   have probably [TS]

01:46:35   weird little issues with the video [TS]

01:46:36   weather it doesn't wake from sleep [TS]

01:46:38   screen-sharing doesn't come up right or [TS]

01:46:40   it comes up all black or the performance [TS]

01:46:42   just sucks [TS]

01:46:43   OS 10 does weird things when when [TS]

01:46:45   there's no display plugged in Amazon you [TS]

01:46:49   can get a $10 HDMI display emulator it's [TS]

01:46:54   a little black dongle that plugs into [TS]

01:46:56   the HDMI port on the back of a Mac Mini [TS]

01:46:58   or set the side of any old laptop and it [TS]

01:47:01   emulates a display which is a couple of [TS]

01:47:03   resistors inside that's what I caught [TS]

01:47:04   it's ten dollars a little plug thing it [TS]

01:47:07   makes the Mac think that a 4k display is [TS]

01:47:10   connected to it [TS]

01:47:11   so it will run at 4k resolution through [TS]

01:47:13   the you know screen sharing thing that [TS]

01:47:16   you're using or any resolution between [TS]

01:47:17   you know 0 and 4k and it fixes all those [TS]

01:47:21   problems it wakes from sleep immediately [TS]

01:47:23   with like any kind of screen sharing [TS]

01:47:25   it's fast the animations are all smooth [TS]

01:47:27   it it makes it rock solid I ran a Mac [TS]

01:47:30   Mini headless for a few years for that [TS]

01:47:32   one of these then I learn about this and [TS]

01:47:34   got one it makes a massive difference I [TS]

01:47:36   highly recommend anybody running a Mac [TS]

01:47:38   Mini headless going Amazon get this here [TS]

01:47:41   we'll put link in the show notes it is [TS]

01:47:43   called the Compu lab 4k display emulator [TS]

01:47:45   it's 10 bucks it completely changes [TS]

01:47:49   running a Mac Mini headless so sad times [TS]

01:47:52   with CrashPlan but it sounds like we [TS]

01:47:55   might have a solution and the solution [TS]

01:47:57   is more crash times the crash but the [TS]

01:48:01   solution is pay them more money pay them [TS]

01:48:05   less money is actually half the price [TS]

01:48:07   you are paying for for the next year [TS]

01:48:08   yeah 250 a month can't be 250 my friend [TS]

01:48:11   limited backup with me yeah that's tough [TS]

01:48:13   so they got a whole year grace period to [TS]

01:48:16   evaluate our can decide what you're [TS]

01:48:18   doing and so on and so forth that's why [TS]

01:48:20   by the way for you mentioned Markova [TS]

01:48:22   like things that you care the most about [TS]

01:48:24   like do you should be backing up your [TS]

01:48:25   photo is way more carefully than you're [TS]

01:48:27   backing up like your ripped movies and [TS]

01:48:29   stuff like that and I totally am and [TS]

01:48:30   that's why I like having and paying for [TS]

01:48:34   all these other things that aren't [TS]

01:48:36   technically backup things like paying [TS]

01:48:37   for a terabyte of google drive space and [TS]

01:48:40   using the Google backup app to backup my [TS]

01:48:43   photos like it's not it doesn't think [TS]

01:48:46   it's backing them up and thinks oh [TS]

01:48:47   you're using Google photos look [TS]

01:48:48   have like 90,000 photos in google photos [TS]

01:48:50   you must be using it's like no I'm using [TS]

01:48:51   you as a backup that you were just [TS]

01:48:53   another backup of just my photos right [TS]

01:48:55   and you don't know you're another backup [TS]

01:48:57   and I like it that way and you have [TS]

01:49:00   redundant copies of pictures and you [TS]

01:49:01   somehow slurp down the edits of my [TS]

01:49:03   photos in addition to the originals like [TS]

01:49:04   I don't care like your purpose is to be [TS]

01:49:06   one more backup and you know a terabyte [TS]

01:49:09   of Google Drive space is more expensive [TS]

01:49:13   than I'm paying for crash plaintiff is [TS]

01:49:14   just like you know ecosystem variety [TS]

01:49:18   don't rely on one thing don't rely on [TS]

01:49:20   one company on one service on one [TS]

01:49:22   technique on one kind of backup even got [TS]

01:49:25   incremental backups that clone backup so [TS]

01:49:28   you got I don't even know I'm a backup [TS]

01:49:29   all I do know is I'm getting a bunch of [TS]

01:49:30   photos uploaded to me backups that's [TS]

01:49:32   what you need and you know all the other [TS]

01:49:34   hard drive backups and time machine and [TS]

01:49:36   everything else that that's what helps [TS]

01:49:38   me sleep at night with my backups is [TS]

01:49:40   having a lot of them and having them all [TS]

01:49:41   be very different in both corporation [TS]

01:49:43   and even type and so CrashPlan not being [TS]

01:49:47   perfect in being weird and having [TS]

01:49:49   problems I'm able to deal with that [TS]

01:49:51   because it's like oh I wasn't crash - [TS]

01:49:52   not my only off-site backup of the [TS]

01:49:54   things I care about most in the world [TS]

01:49:55   not by a long shot [TS]

01:49:57   like I've got you know photos in the [TS]

01:49:58   cloud from Apple as well so my photos [TS]

01:50:00   are in three cloud locations three and a [TS]

01:50:03   half because I do backup some of them [TS]

01:50:05   from my Mac with back plays - but anyway [TS]

01:50:07   I'm hoping that my drive sizes will get [TS]

01:50:11   bumped up and I guess that will probably [TS]

01:50:13   cause me to pay even more for cloud [TS]

01:50:15   storage but as you know as the spring [TS]

01:50:20   hard drive prices and come down SSD [TS]

01:50:21   prices have come down you can get to [TS]

01:50:23   terabyte as is these for about the same [TS]

01:50:25   prices I got my one terabyte SSD so [TS]

01:50:27   things are going in the right direction [TS]

01:50:28   I'm just hoping cloud storage starts [TS]

01:50:31   dropping as well because I don't want my [TS]

01:50:33   hard drives to be creeping up but cloud [TS]

01:50:34   storage to be about the same price for [TS]

01:50:35   the next five years cuz that will make [TS]

01:50:37   me sad also my one final tip do not use [TS]

01:50:41   Amazon glacier for anything it is awful [TS]

01:50:43   even with arc architrave tries it's best [TS]

01:50:46   it puts in a valiant effort but Amazon [TS]

01:50:49   glacier is the worst do not use it if [TS]

01:50:50   you need really cheap storage use back [TS]

01:50:52   please be - anyway thanks for three [TS]

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01:51:07   they didn't even mean to begin because [TS]

01:51:10   it was accidental oh it was accidental [TS]

01:51:16   johnny research Margo and Casey wouldn't [TS]

01:51:19   let him cuz it was accidental he was [TS]

01:51:24   accidental finally today e yl is esta [TS]

01:51:40   that's Casey less and a RC own a RM ante [TS]

01:51:45   Marco Arment are [TS]

01:51:48   [Music] [TS]

01:52:04   all right [TS]

01:52:06   Marco tell me about your home security [TS]

01:52:08   experiences of late a lot of bike [TS]

01:52:10   thieves are stalking his house these [TS]

01:52:11   days [TS]

01:52:13   gets a new bike every day this is a [TS]

01:52:15   honey pot for bike thieves well if you [TS]

01:52:21   would have asked me before I had this [TS]

01:52:23   experience which company is best at AI [TS]

01:52:27   type problems you know I would have said [TS]

01:52:29   you know Apple is not so good or day I [TS]

01:52:31   type problems you know and Google is the [TS]

01:52:33   best right or something like that you [TS]

01:52:35   probably Google to be the best this is a [TS]

01:52:37   turn out Logitech is the best we were [TS]

01:52:39   you know we were leaving our home for an [TS]

01:52:41   extended time and we had the bright idea [TS]

01:52:43   you know what let's put up some security [TS]

01:52:46   cameras so that we can see if anybody [TS]

01:52:49   breaks into our house or whatever or we [TS]

01:52:51   could just check on things make sure [TS]

01:52:52   that like you know see if there's like a [TS]

01:52:54   tree branch that lands in our front yard [TS]

01:52:57   or anything weird like that [TS]

01:52:58   let's just put up so a couple of cameras [TS]

01:53:00   and give us peace of mind while we are [TS]

01:53:03   away for a while I did some research and [TS]

01:53:07   and it did appear from my research and [TS]

01:53:10   the world of home security cameras or [TS]

01:53:15   just yeah just video home video cameras [TS]

01:53:17   or security cameras at all it leads into [TS]

01:53:20   this community of ultra paranoid crazy [TS]

01:53:23   gun people pretty quickly neat so this [TS]

01:53:26   is a world that I have avoided for some [TS]

01:53:28   time because it just it starts getting [TS]

01:53:31   into this weird like paranoia community [TS]

01:53:33   of craziness that I don't respond well [TS]

01:53:37   to or want to be a part of I'm sorry I [TS]

01:53:39   didn't want something that was going to [TS]

01:53:40   be like too crazy too complicated you [TS]

01:53:44   know I could I could host things myself [TS]

01:53:47   in my own house using my craziness and [TS]

01:53:50   have IP cameras that recorded to it [TS]

01:53:52   using all sorts of crazy hideous [TS]

01:53:55   software packages that can do this thing [TS]

01:53:57   for you or you can just you know buy one [TS]

01:54:01   of the cameras that comes with some kind [TS]

01:54:03   of online retainer retain service for [TS]

01:54:07   the archive that's basically streams all [TS]

01:54:08   the video to their web hosting thing and [TS]

01:54:11   you pay per month to have like [TS]

01:54:12   a certain amount of retention of video [TS]

01:54:14   there like you know ten days or a week [TS]

01:54:15   or whatever else and it pretty much led [TS]

01:54:18   me to the best ones were the nest cams [TS]

01:54:22   formerly the drop cams now its nest cam [TS]

01:54:24   which is owned by Google or alphabet I [TS]

01:54:27   don't even can't even keep track anymore [TS]

01:54:28   but who cares don't buy Google and nest [TS]

01:54:31   cams advertise of his wonderful features [TS]

01:54:32   like being able to recognize people in [TS]

01:54:34   the frame and be able to like only alert [TS]

01:54:37   you when it sees a person in the frame [TS]

01:54:39   and not just like a leaf blowing by or a [TS]

01:54:41   moth or something and and you know and [TS]

01:54:43   in addition to all the AI stuff everyone [TS]

01:54:45   pretty much agreed that the nest camera [TS]

01:54:46   has had the best video quality of pretty [TS]

01:54:48   much anything out there and they could [TS]

01:54:50   see better in the dark and stuff like [TS]

01:54:51   that so I thought okay if the only [TS]

01:54:54   downside of the nest cams seems to be [TS]

01:54:56   the cost well I'll pay more upfront for [TS]

01:54:59   something good if it really is better so [TS]

01:55:01   let's give them a try so I got two of [TS]

01:55:04   the advanced ones for inside the new [TS]

01:55:05   crazy IQ ones where the first review is [TS]

01:55:08   Merlyn telling you that you can't rotate [TS]

01:55:09   the image and I completely agree with [TS]

01:55:10   him by the way that is BS and then I got [TS]

01:55:13   two of the regular outdoor nest cam [TS]

01:55:15   outdoor ones four for the outdoor the [TS]

01:55:17   outside you don't know you don't know [TS]

01:55:19   this yet but on an upcoming rekt if I [TS]

01:55:21   talk about my purchase of the self-same [TS]

01:55:23   Nest IQ camera oh yeah I argue with [TS]

01:55:27   Merlin about his review of it so I won't [TS]

01:55:29   go over it all here but anyway I [TS]

01:55:30   actually have one of these as well [TS]

01:55:32   okay I cannot believe how incredibly [TS]

01:55:37   crappy these cameras are the picture [TS]

01:55:39   quality is not great I can't believe [TS]

01:55:42   this is the best that we can do every [TS]

01:55:44   phone in the world it could does better [TS]

01:55:46   than these cameras for video quality so [TS]

01:55:47   I can't believe that this is what the [TS]

01:55:49   best we can do the online streaming of [TS]

01:55:51   these videos from Google like from nest [TS]

01:55:54   this is a Google company the online [TS]

01:55:56   streaming is laggy and crappy beyond the [TS]

01:55:59   interface to browsing the videos is [TS]

01:56:02   horrendously clunky and crappy you're [TS]

01:56:04   talking about it from the from the web [TS]

01:56:06   or from the app both they're both there [TS]

01:56:08   harness and clunky in different ways but [TS]

01:56:11   they're both horrendous and clunky the [TS]

01:56:13   eeeh the ATLA in a typical nest you know [TS]

01:56:15   the I've had nest thermostats for a [TS]

01:56:17   while it's one of the reasons I decide [TS]

01:56:18   to do this as well I already have a nest [TS]

01:56:20   account I already have nest devices I [TS]

01:56:22   already have the nest app set up on my [TS]

01:56:24   phone in my wife's phone so it [TS]

01:56:26   be trivial to add this and then I don't [TS]

01:56:28   have to deal with anyone else's crappy [TS]

01:56:30   apps I at least you know you know the [TS]

01:56:31   devil you know you know getting all set [TS]

01:56:34   up you know it was it was fine you know [TS]

01:56:37   I was disappointed but by all this all [TS]

01:56:39   the quality the ass and everything then [TS]

01:56:41   it came time for them to actually do [TS]

01:56:42   their do their job and alert me when [TS]

01:56:44   they saw people in certain spots in the [TS]

01:56:47   frame these things are the stupidest [TS]

01:56:49   things I've ever seen [TS]

01:56:50   there have been apps for the Mac forever [TS]

01:56:53   that like you can use the built-in it [TS]

01:56:55   webcam on the Mac to do similar things [TS]

01:56:56   like this did be like a little security [TS]

01:56:58   camera and stuff I'm pretty sure those [TS]

01:57:00   apps that I use like 10 years ago to try [TS]

01:57:02   that out we're better at more advanced [TS]

01:57:04   than Google with their advanced AI and [TS]

01:57:06   everything and nest it is so crappy at [TS]

01:57:08   trying to recognize what is a person and [TS]

01:57:10   what isn't even with their highest end [TS]

01:57:12   camera even with their highest and i q-- [TS]

01:57:15   service that you're paying every month [TS]

01:57:17   for their terrible it thinks everything [TS]

01:57:21   is a person I guess no one a Google [TS]

01:57:23   tested the fact that maybe Sun might be [TS]

01:57:25   in the frame sometimes like maybe you [TS]

01:57:27   might have windows that lets some Sun in [TS]

01:57:29   and so throughout the day the pattern of [TS]

01:57:32   light on the floor will slowly move that [TS]

01:57:34   they think is a person every time they [TS]

01:57:37   think no motion at all as a person I [TS]

01:57:40   have one that includes the view of the [TS]

01:57:43   street in front of my house in the [TS]

01:57:44   corner of the frame every single time a [TS]

01:57:47   car passes by it says you're in front [TS]

01:57:50   yard camera thinks a saw a person they [TS]

01:57:52   are horrendous [TS]

01:57:53   it is totally useless because I have to [TS]

01:57:57   turn down all the alert thresholds [TS]

01:57:59   because everything it sees every bit of [TS]

01:58:01   motion every leaf that blows by every [TS]

01:58:04   time the Sun slightly moves as it does [TS]

01:58:06   every day every single thing it sees it [TS]

01:58:09   thinks is a person I am stunned at how [TS]

01:58:12   bad these are and I can't like I [TS]

01:58:15   expected so much more from Google [TS]

01:58:17   because they are supposed to be good at [TS]

01:58:19   this stuff they're supposed to be like [TS]

01:58:20   the leaders of the world in image [TS]

01:58:23   recognition and intelligence in these [TS]

01:58:25   kinds of ways and the fact that it works [TS]

01:58:27   so horrendously you and I I'll even help [TS]

01:58:30   it out I'd be like all right fine I [TS]

01:58:31   don't care [TS]

01:58:32   if there's a person in my front yard [TS]

01:58:34   we'll leave that alone how about just [TS]

01:58:35   tell me if there's a person on my front [TS]

01:58:36   porch [TS]

01:58:37   here's a little rectangle I'll draw I'll [TS]

01:58:38   draw you the pork you can tell where it [TS]

01:58:40   is tell me if you see a person in this [TS]

01:58:42   area nope still everytime like you know [TS]

01:58:45   a leaf blows by oh we think we saw a [TS]

01:58:47   person you know the Sun moves here's a [TS]

01:58:49   person nope nope it's never a person I I [TS]

01:58:53   give Apple a full credit now I thought [TS]

01:58:55   all these years Apple needs to catch up [TS]

01:58:57   to Google with image recognition turns [TS]

01:58:59   out Google image recognition is total [TS]

01:59:02   garbage [TS]

01:59:03   and I now apologized to Apple for ever [TS]

01:59:07   insulting their efforts because my god [TS]

01:59:09   the rest of the industry is no better [TS]

01:59:14   fault there but anyway I have the same [TS]

01:59:16   thing and my expectations were much [TS]

01:59:18   lower than yours I think cuz I assumed [TS]

01:59:20   all these security cameras were crap and [TS]

01:59:22   I was pleasantly surprised mine detected [TS]

01:59:25   all the faces and I went through the app [TS]

01:59:27   and told them all the faces that I [TS]

01:59:28   recognized and it never alerts me again [TS]

01:59:31   about interfaces that it already knows [TS]

01:59:32   it tells me when there is a legit person [TS]

01:59:36   or legit motion which is my dog that's [TS]

01:59:37   why I have the camera I'm watching my [TS]

01:59:38   dog during the day it has never sent me [TS]

01:59:42   a false alert at all now granted it's [TS]

01:59:44   pointed an internal room and not at a [TS]

01:59:47   window but the Sun does move and the Sun [TS]

01:59:49   does move across the room during the [TS]

01:59:50   time like I agree with you the image [TS]

01:59:53   quality is not great but people say that [TS]

01:59:54   this is the best of the security cameras [TS]

01:59:56   whatever but the fact that I can have it [TS]

01:59:59   on and [TS]

01:59:59   on and [TS]

02:00:00   but not send me alerts when anybody in [TS]

02:00:02   my family walks through the room but do [TS]

02:00:03   send me alert like when the dog walker [TS]

02:00:05   walks in the room because I haven't ad [TS]

02:00:06   the dog walkers face that's exactly what [TS]

02:00:08   I want it for and it does it exactly as [TS]

02:00:10   advertised I've gotten no false alarms [TS]

02:00:13   then maybe it's missing the the cat [TS]

02:00:15   burglars that are coming into my house [TS]

02:00:16   and and it's doing a crappy job there [TS]

02:00:18   and obviously the apps aren't great and [TS]

02:00:20   I wish they had more control especially [TS]

02:00:22   as scheduling interacts with the [TS]

02:00:24   geofence alerting but the geofence [TS]

02:00:26   alerting works to when I leave the house [TS]

02:00:28   with my phone it automatically turns the [TS]

02:00:30   camera on because I'm away like I was [TS]

02:00:32   pleasantly surprised as I expected the [TS]

02:00:34   worst because you read all overviews of [TS]

02:00:35   all these things they're all terrible [TS]

02:00:36   and I was pleasantly surprised that the [TS]

02:00:38   IQ features that I thought were probably [TS]

02:00:40   gonna be stupid actually make the thing [TS]

02:00:42   useful for me now I don't have it [TS]

02:00:43   pointed outside where there's a lot more [TS]

02:00:44   motion and I'm not trying to look for [TS]

02:00:47   like people on my porch I'm just [TS]

02:00:48   pointing it at my dog during the day so [TS]

02:00:50   it is a more limited use case but for [TS]

02:00:52   that limited use case I think it's fine [TS]

02:00:54   it's overpriced and you're right about [TS]

02:00:56   the camera being not as good as it [TS]

02:00:57   should be for that price but it's it's [TS]

02:01:00   doing the job I wanted to do so I'm a [TS]

02:01:03   little surprised Marco that you didn't [TS]

02:01:05   dive into the world of I think it's IP [TS]

02:01:08   cameras I don't know if it's the right [TS]

02:01:10   terminology but my dad he has a [TS]

02:01:14   different Synology a much smaller one I [TS]

02:01:16   think it's a 2-14 play if I'm not [TS]

02:01:19   mistaken well anyways he wanted to have [TS]

02:01:21   a view of his driveway because there's [TS]

02:01:25   not a lot of windows in the house that [TS]

02:01:27   can show him the view of the driveway [TS]

02:01:28   and so he put in an IP camera of some [TS]

02:01:31   designation I'm not entirely clear what [TS]

02:01:33   it was and wired Ethernet from that [TS]

02:01:36   camera through the house which [TS]

02:01:38   admittedly suppe no I'm not trying to [TS]

02:01:40   just fluff over that but he wired it [TS]

02:01:42   into a Power over Ethernet hub or switch [TS]

02:01:44   or whatever again I'm talking a little [TS]

02:01:46   outside my comfort zone here and then [TS]

02:01:48   when subtly bringing this back around it [TS]

02:01:51   is now that that camera is plugged into [TS]

02:01:53   in a figurative sense plugged into the [TS]

02:01:55   Synology so the Synology is watching the [TS]

02:01:57   camera and taking taking recordings of [TS]

02:02:00   the camera etc etc and there's software [TS]

02:02:02   on the Synology that it's built exactly [TS]

02:02:03   for this and so since you have the [TS]

02:02:05   Synology sitting in the house I'm a [TS]

02:02:07   little bit surprised you didn't go that [TS]

02:02:09   route because I don't see the IQ [TS]

02:02:14   in the head camera you know it's just a [TS]

02:02:15   camera and nothing more so like John for [TS]

02:02:18   you it certainly would not have worked [TS]

02:02:19   but if you're just pointing it out the [TS]

02:02:20   outside world it might have solved the [TS]

02:02:22   problem pretty well if and this is a big [TS]

02:02:24   if you're willing to get an Ethernet [TS]

02:02:27   cable to it well and I mean the main [TS]

02:02:30   reason I didn't look at solutions like [TS]

02:02:31   that I mean in the past when I've had [TS]

02:02:33   like the duct camera on the back girls [TS]

02:02:35   I've actually had a few I I have a two I [TS]

02:02:37   think that and and so I I know this [TS]

02:02:40   world slightly and and by trying to do [TS]

02:02:43   this world with those that turned me off [TS]

02:02:46   so much to that world that when it came [TS]

02:02:49   time we wanted to do this first of all [TS]

02:02:50   we had this idea to do this like a few [TS]

02:02:54   days before like we were gonna leave [TS]

02:02:56   like a week before it's like I didn't [TS]

02:02:59   have a lot of time so I got you know III [TS]

02:03:01   can't it was just kind of blessing like [TS]

02:03:03   I can't spend a lot of time on the [TS]

02:03:04   solution of this problem if we're going [TS]

02:03:06   to do this I have to do something simple [TS]

02:03:07   I have to just like throw some money at [TS]

02:03:09   it and make the problem go away [TS]

02:03:10   hopefully and that's what we did in [TS]

02:03:13   retrospect you know the the correct [TS]

02:03:16   solution of the problem was something we [TS]

02:03:18   came up with a few days after that which [TS]

02:03:19   was why don't we just get a safe deposit [TS]

02:03:22   box at the bank and put expensive stuff [TS]

02:03:24   in that and it costs way less because [TS]

02:03:29   like the problem is here's the problem [TS]

02:03:31   what if somebody breaks into my house [TS]

02:03:33   and I have a video of that what do I do [TS]

02:03:36   with that exactly the video of that I'm [TS]

02:03:38   gonna have is gonna be pretty low [TS]

02:03:41   quality it might be in the dark so it [TS]

02:03:43   might just be with the IR camera and [TS]

02:03:45   it's gonna be a video of some you know [TS]

02:03:48   burglar whose face is gonna be like 16 [TS]

02:03:50   pixels total in this video and I'm gonna [TS]

02:03:54   give it to the police and they're gonna [TS]

02:03:55   do what exactly with that like it's not [TS]

02:03:57   it's it's not like I'm gonna be dealing [TS]

02:03:59   with like the FBI with top notch [TS]

02:04:01   national databases of criminals and [TS]

02:04:02   they're gonna be able to swivel their [TS]

02:04:04   face around like CSI and see oh this is [TS]

02:04:05   this criminal it's gonna be like some [TS]

02:04:07   some you know crazy desperate person [TS]

02:04:09   like it's not gonna be like I'm not [TS]

02:04:11   gonna be able to like get my stuff back [TS]