0:00:00live from Wednesday night it's a TV I
0:00:03feel like if I had watched Saturday
0:00:06Night Live more frequently I would have
0:00:07rift on that whole announcer spiel you
0:00:10would have realized how badly he mangled
0:00:12the quote in reference live from
0:00:15Wednesday night from Wednesday night
0:00:18that's the plan
0:00:19live from New York they're definitely
0:00:22not from Wednesday yeah fair enough or a
0:00:24Saturday I have some pre-show
0:00:26announcements gentlemen first of all for
0:00:30the next few minutes I am a single
0:00:31parent so it is possible that I will
0:00:34need to depart if Declan wakes up as he
0:00:37has done recently although usually at
0:00:392:00 or 3:00 in the morning explaining
0:00:41to me that he doesn't want to be asleep
0:00:44and that he wants to be awake hmm been
0:00:46there so if so if I disappear
0:00:48momentarily that would be why and before
0:00:51any parents in the room email me to say
0:00:53oh you need a sleep to wake alarm we
0:00:56have one you have a nice little alarm
0:00:58clock that will turn green when it's
0:01:00time for him to wake up and even though
0:01:02I think of him as a I was gonna say
0:01:05reasonably smart kid but you can't tell
0:01:07it in almost three so as as a not
0:01:09moronic kid even with that said he seems
0:01:13to forget in the middle of the night
0:01:14that the green light is not yet on and
0:01:16that he needs to go the fall asleep
0:01:18which by the way it's a great bedtime
0:01:19story it's so we have that same alarm I
0:01:22have two other parent friends who have
0:01:24that same alarm for their two different
0:01:25children all of the children regard that
0:01:28alarm as simply one input a suggestion
0:01:30yeah yeah it's advice the advice oh it's
0:01:36not green it's okay well I want to be up
0:01:38now and I want to go bother my bother
0:01:39mom dad so you know it's like it is
0:01:42simply one input of many and they will
0:01:44choose to ignore it whenever they feel
0:01:46like it isn't a matter of your kid being
0:01:47smart or not smart you'll get it
0:01:49perfectly smart enough your kid is as
0:01:51smart as all the other kids who've had
0:01:53these same alarms and said well it's not
0:01:55green but I don't care and it doesn't
0:01:58really matter so I'm gonna go in there
0:01:59anyway I think it worked on my son
0:02:01we have thought the same thing well we
0:02:03didn't even try it on my daughter
0:02:04because just personality-wise food would
0:02:06be useless in fact we had to remove all
0:02:08clocks with still no clocks no room we
0:02:10had to remove all clocks in my room
0:02:12I guess she would she would stare at
0:02:14them and be like you know whatever her
0:02:17bedtime was and like five minutes after
0:02:19I'm still awake and then so she'd be
0:02:20there like it's 134 and I'm still awake
0:02:22it's 247 and I'm still awake she were
0:02:24just stared and then obsess about the
0:02:26fact that she's still awake so we had to
0:02:28remove all clocks from room we haven't
0:02:29put them back yet that was years ago we
0:02:31haven't put them back yet but probably
0:02:33we could but then again maybe not
0:02:35yeah so he actually does do a pretty
0:02:38darn good job in the actual morning time
0:02:41when we really don't want him to like
0:02:44get fussy or anything like that before
0:02:47it's time for him to get up but in the
0:02:49middle of the night like Marco said it
0:02:51seems to be but a recommendation and
0:02:53nothing more and so that's been the
0:02:55festivities of late but that's actually
0:02:57not the big announcement the big
0:02:59announcement is we have moved and by we
0:03:02I mean just me and I mean just the
0:03:04office from one room in the house to
0:03:05another but talk about burying the lede
0:03:08yeah right if if if I sound like garbage
0:03:12don't blame Marco blame me I've put up
0:03:15some sound deadening material on the
0:03:17wall directly behind my 27-inch
0:03:19reflective glass but I may need more
0:03:23okay see god sake why did you move well
0:03:26because we need we need a place for a
0:03:29baby yeah okay congratulations it's
0:03:33about damn time
0:03:34yes Oh guess what Aaron's pregnant and
0:03:37that's super exciting and and based on
0:03:39your recent car purchase we can conclude
0:03:40she's having sex droplets is that it
0:03:44exactly right now there's only one baby
0:03:46in there as as we as has been confirmed
0:03:49numerous times but anyway suffice to say
0:03:51I've relocated rooms this room is bigger
0:03:54potentially more echoey
0:03:56maybe less eques who knows so Marco made
0:03:58me really really have some fun to do on
0:04:01this edit with what is the the toolchain
0:04:03that that has like the thing that that
0:04:05magically erases john's air-conditioner
0:04:07well there's a number of tools that can
0:04:10do that that I have used in the past
0:04:11audacity has the most basic one for free
0:04:14it's basically it's like a noise profile
0:04:16remover so you like select some of the
0:04:18recording that's just the noise you want
0:04:19to remove like when no one's talking you
0:04:21just hear the background noise and then
0:04:22you say alright profile this and then
0:04:24you select the whole recorder and say
0:04:25remove
0:04:26that noise from this whole recording so
0:04:28audition does it audacity does it the
0:04:30one I've been using most recently is the
0:04:32iZotope rx that says has a number of
0:04:36other tools as well and that thing is
0:04:38amazing it is it is not cheap but if you
0:04:42process audio I need to remove annoying
0:04:45background noise or echo or headphone
0:04:48bleed or hum or so many other things I
0:04:51have not found anything better than
0:04:52iZotope Rx it is really something else
0:04:55well congratulations on the reason you
0:04:56moved and don't worry about the audio
0:04:58will figure it out yeah so yeah thanks I
0:05:01forgot that we had we had talked about
0:05:02this in the post show that I think it
0:05:04was like the post post post post show
0:05:05last week and it didn't even cross my
0:05:07mind that that probably didn't make the
0:05:09released recording so yeah I guess what
0:05:11Aaron's pregnant and so far everything
0:05:13everywhere everything and everyone seems
0:05:14healthy and we're super excited about it
0:05:16and we'll put a link in the show notes
0:05:18with a little bit of background
0:05:19information about that in an adorable
0:05:21picture of Aaron and Declan so for the
0:05:23people who are just gonna listen to the
0:05:24podcast
0:05:25the gender is sealed in an envelope in
0:05:29case you don't don't want to know no we
0:05:36haven't
0:05:36yes well no but when we were told to
0:05:44turn around so the so the technician can
0:05:47figure out what the gender was that took
0:05:49suspiciously little time so we'll see
0:05:53that that indicates to me that it was a
0:05:55suspiciously short amount of time to to
0:05:57prove a negative but you never know so
0:06:00we'll see what happens
0:06:02my my kind of Farmers Almanac tale or my
0:06:07experience which is a hundred and fifty
0:06:09percent anecdotal and I recognize that
0:06:10is that if if the woman tends to carry
0:06:13all of the baby like in the tummy area
0:06:16and doesn't seem to get any bigger
0:06:18anywhere else that seems to generally
0:06:20speaking be a boy this is completely
0:06:24anti-scientific no science in any way no
0:06:29no there's no science involved this is
0:06:30all this is ball is ball every bite
0:06:36I was like when the child was conceived
0:06:38and definitely a boy is that do you know
0:06:40what that's relate no not really
0:06:42I tell you uh Kate's story so if she we
0:06:46went in for one I guess was the the
0:06:47first ultra time where you gonna
0:06:48actually find out and I said do you want
0:06:49to know and we said yes and I said it's
0:06:51a girl I'm like great cuz we're gonna
0:06:52have a boy snow I've wanted you so great
0:06:54okay then but that how actually you
0:06:56responded great like we were in for like
0:07:02another ultrasound I guess later in the
0:07:05pregnancy whatever you like dude like
0:07:06the routine second one over I don't know
0:07:08but anyway later we're in is already
0:07:10we'd like oh you know picking out girls
0:07:12things and thinking of girls names and
0:07:14stuff like that we going front later and
0:07:15they're like oh looks like it's a boy
0:07:17and like they told us it was a girl last
0:07:22time you like that boy and then the
0:07:24person looks closer and like maybe right
0:07:28maybe there was just a thumb and so and
0:07:32they're like all right anyway
0:07:33everything's fine you're doing like and
0:07:36so that you know let me know that it's
0:07:40not it's not an exact science first of
0:07:41all anyway she came out she was totally
0:07:43girl it was fine but not just a little
0:07:45bit yeah there's no confusion but
0:07:50ultrasounds it's a confusing picture and
0:07:52yeah it takes some skill and experience
0:07:54as a technician to interpret that as
0:07:56anything and you know a thumb or a toe
0:07:59ends up in the wrong position with the
0:08:01baby ultimate setup you people get
0:08:03confused but both people on their
0:08:05initial proclamation sounded very very
0:08:07sure and the only reason the second
0:08:10person kind of hemmed in hard after was
0:08:12because we said wait a second we've had
0:08:14like a month and a half of thinking this
0:08:16is gonna be a girl and now you tell me
0:08:18boy yeah so you'll find out or you'll
0:08:22have in my situation it's like well
0:08:24sometimes the baby is resting in sexual
0:08:26way in sexual position and you see
0:08:28something that makes it very very clear
0:08:30and it couldn't really be anything else
0:08:31and situations like well aren't really
0:08:33supposed to tell you yet but I'm like
0:08:34but yeah what's that and they're like
0:08:35well you know so yeah so we asked the
0:08:41technician you know to put it in an
0:08:42envelope seal it in and we are not the
0:08:45kind of people that want to do like a
0:08:46gender reveal party I understand it's
0:08:48very that's
0:08:49be popular and fun and whatever but it's
0:08:52not really for us we just wanted to be
0:08:55able to change our minds in the future
0:08:57so if we if we so desire and so we have
0:09:00a sealed envelope with the gender in it
0:09:02and both of us are very very type a very
0:09:05anal retentive so I would say if you
0:09:07wanted to make a bet that it's likely
0:09:09that we will probably end up opening it
0:09:11I'm waiting for somebody to like start
0:09:13an ATP pool to see what day it is we
0:09:16open it but sitting here now the hope is
0:09:19we will hold out until the baby is born
0:09:21and we'll see what happens
0:09:24in any case say yeah I didn't mean to
0:09:27make that the entire pre-show but yeah
0:09:29that's the thing so let's start with
0:09:32some follow-up and as it turns out the
0:09:35follow-up is the Marco show today so
0:09:38what yeah you know if you if you so as I
0:09:44as I see or hear Marco saying oh I
0:09:47should probably open the document by the
0:09:48magic of Google Docs I see a new
0:09:50personal open up the document it turns
0:09:52out it's Marco Arment
0:09:53so uh so yes so it turns out that iTunes
0:09:58U collections are moving to Apple
0:10:00podcast and that got you on I don't want
0:10:03to call it a rant but kind of a because
0:10:05that implies negativity but kind of a
0:10:07you want you got on your soapbox and
0:10:09talked about your thoughts for the
0:10:11future of iTunes so can you kind of talk
0:10:13us through that yeah basically there was
0:10:14this little news article last week that
0:10:16said that iTunes U which is like the
0:10:19kind of educational course collection
0:10:21things and iTunes that have been around
0:10:22for quite a long time
0:10:23remember when was launched it was it's
0:10:25not recently right yeah I don't think so
0:10:28yeah so anyway so iTunes U content which
0:10:30is actually wonderful and and quite
0:10:31extensive that has that's been announced
0:10:34that that's moving into Apple podcasts
0:10:36so the no longer be a separate section
0:10:38that it's always been like a section in
0:10:40iTunes and now that is moving to Apple
0:10:42podcasts and I interpret this as you
0:10:46know if it was just this by itself
0:10:47that's kind of a weird thing but when
0:10:49you when you combine it with things like
0:10:50the stopping selling all iPods that
0:10:54aren't iOS based and and just some other
0:10:57little moves you've seen here and there
0:10:58and just timing in general but
0:11:00I think this is just one of many signs
0:11:02that they are preparing for the
0:11:06abandonment or total deletion of iTunes
0:11:09probably abandonment if it's re gonna
0:11:11sit around forever as like you know in
0:11:13the utilities folder for the very few
0:11:14you know Knicks used cases that people
0:11:16need for anymore but I think iTunes is
0:11:19finally being relegated to the dustbin
0:11:22of history as it should have been a very
0:11:23long time ago and they are I bet in the
0:11:28next version of Mac OS not you know not
0:11:30the one that's coming out like in a
0:11:31month but the one is coming out probably
0:11:32next year I bet we're gonna see finally
0:11:34I split up of iTunes into brand new apps
0:11:37called things like music TV podcasts
0:11:40things like that do you remember the
0:11:42screenshots for some of the dialog boxes
0:11:45saying you know open document in movies
0:11:47or something like that do you remember
0:11:48that oh this just went through not long
0:11:51ago didn't it yeah someone someone had
0:11:54found some dialog in some version of Mac
0:11:57OS some beta version of Mac OS that in
0:11:59response to trying to open a video
0:12:01instead of it opening an iTunes or
0:12:03QuickTime Player it said do you want to
0:12:05open this in movies that's right yeah
0:12:08yeah and that makes me think if that's
0:12:10real that's why I wish I could still
0:12:12find out but I have lost track of it is
0:12:14this the case where the replacements for
0:12:18iTunes we're kind of almost ready but
0:12:20just didn't quite make the cut or is
0:12:22this the case where they're not gonna be
0:12:25ready for a long time but someone got
0:12:27ahead of the game and did the easy part
0:12:29which is updating a dialog box or
0:12:31something like I'm always trying to
0:12:33gauge is how close are we to the death
0:12:35of iTunes it's one of those things that
0:12:38probably is not people don't care enough
0:12:41about it for it to leak like iPhone
0:12:44parts so we'll probably just kind of
0:12:45find out either when they accidentally
0:12:47post a bit if they're not supposed to or
0:12:50when someone announces it on stage I
0:12:52mean at this point I kind of wonder how
0:12:55many people will even care like based on
0:12:57how many people still use iTunes I mean
0:13:00it'll probably be a big during the tech
0:13:01press just because tech press is full of
0:13:03old people who remember iTunes right but
0:13:05for everyone else is it going to be a
0:13:07significant moment
0:13:08and what I'm what I'm worried about is
0:13:10all the boringly named apps music
0:13:13whatever think this would be like music
0:13:16movies what else is gonna be TV probably
0:13:20podcasts I would bet yeah maybe
0:13:23anyway if those apps have to travel the
0:13:27same road as the new Photos app did I'll
0:13:30be kind of sad because photos just start
0:13:33off very anemic and weird and janky and
0:13:36it's a little bit better now and it's
0:13:38getting a little bit better still in
0:13:40high sierra but it was like a big
0:13:44regression for my father in terms of
0:13:45functionality and just polish and
0:13:48everything like it was a super
0:13:49simplified it basically looked like a UI
0:13:51kid application that was somehow ported
0:13:53to the Mac and everything was all
0:13:54stripped down and removed and it wasn't
0:13:57like tiny and quick and lightning fast
0:14:00with that stripping down I was like
0:14:01stripped down but also still sluggish
0:14:02and annoying and I don't want that like
0:14:05iTunes you know we don't love iTunes but
0:14:08the functionality that it has for like
0:14:10finding a song and playing it more or
0:14:13less works and I can just imagine that
0:14:15exact same function of typing in
0:14:16something in the search box and having a
0:14:18narrow this down and having me like
0:14:19double-click on a thing to hear it
0:14:21adding the photos style lag to every one
0:14:25of those operations just a few extra
0:14:26milliseconds to make you feel better and
0:14:29remove as many controls as possible it
0:14:31kind of already removed lock controls
0:14:32but remove all the controls that you're
0:14:34used to so it's just like a big empty
0:14:35blank window where everything is a
0:14:37little bit slower than you want it to be
0:14:39with less functionality than it had
0:14:40before I'm hoping that's not the case
0:14:43I'm hoping these new slim down
0:14:44applications give us the benefits that
0:14:47we want from them being slimmed down not
0:14:49just the lack of confusion about like
0:14:50this is just an app for playing music
0:14:52and you don't worry about anything else
0:14:53but that the apps themselves are nicer
0:14:56and not they don't just look like hey we
0:14:58took the music app from iOS and we put a
0:15:00Mac title bar on top of it here you go
0:15:02because that will make me sad I think
0:15:05the reason I'm kind of looking forward
0:15:06to this happening assuming this that
0:15:08this is on the table and I think it
0:15:10probably is I mean it does seem like
0:15:12this is the direction they're moving but
0:15:14one of the reasons why I'm interested in
0:15:17this is just on a basic level
0:15:19I just appreciate seeing significant
0:15:22effort into the Mac platform you know
0:15:23because it's so it's so easy to look at
0:15:25the Apple has operated over the last few
0:15:28years and conclude that the Mac is
0:15:30really being neglected and there they've
0:15:33been a few things in in the very recent
0:15:35past like basically in the last year
0:15:37they've done a few things that that
0:15:38suggest that no the Mac isn't being
0:15:40neglected at least anymore maybe it was
0:15:43for a little bit but now you know now it
0:15:44isn't being a little intense for some
0:15:46good stuff that's happening so any sign
0:15:48of significant investment into the Mac
0:15:50platform which breaking up iTunes and
0:15:52rewriting all these things as presumably
0:15:55new apps that's a big undertaking you
0:15:57know it's it's not like a big
0:15:59undertaking at the low level OS level
0:16:01but it is a big undertaking for the app
0:16:03for you know like the basically the
0:16:05applications teams you know and and the
0:16:07people responsible for all these media
0:16:09apps and their backends any meals like
0:16:10that that's a big undertaking and so to
0:16:13have that to take that on
0:16:15when technically you didn't have to like
0:16:17they could just keep iTunes going even
0:16:20though it's terrible and they could they
0:16:22could you say well it's not really worth
0:16:23ever facing iTunes you know and that
0:16:25would be disappointed that you know that
0:16:26would show that they don't really care
0:16:27but the Mac anymore but the fact that
0:16:29they seem like they're probably going in
0:16:32this direction if they do this that's a
0:16:34very good sign for the Mac platform in
0:16:35general and then secondarily in regard
0:16:37to the actual apps the answer will
0:16:39really be it depends I mean a lot of the
0:16:42roles of some of these apps like podcast
0:16:44there has never been a podcast app on
0:16:46the Mac from Apple you know the iTunes
0:16:48can play podcasts but that's you know
0:16:50it's pretty basic and it's really not
0:16:52very well designed for it
0:16:54similarly iTunes can also play movies
0:16:57and TV shows it pretty much sucks like
0:16:59I've done that it's not very pleasant to
0:17:01play these things in iTunes again it
0:17:03works you can do it but it's not very
0:17:06good and then the music part of iTunes
0:17:08is this weird
0:17:11whatever the multi-headed thing is at
0:17:13the Hydra mm-hmm okay
0:17:15so it's like this weird thanks reference
0:17:17check it's like as weird Hydra of like
0:17:19you have like this this entire local
0:17:21management thing on with iTunes Match
0:17:23that matches your local music to the
0:17:25cloud and everything and then you also
0:17:26have this Apple music thing which is
0:17:28really totally separate and work totally
0:17:31separate but it tries to integrate at
0:17:32the same interface and the combination
0:17:34of Apple music in
0:17:36to iTunes with your local music
0:17:37librarian because that is a disaster in
0:17:39the UI it's so clunky and confusing and
0:17:42opens people up to weird bugs and
0:17:45accidental data loss and things it's
0:17:47it's really not great at all so the idea
0:17:50of making a whole new music app I think
0:17:54raises the significant question of
0:17:56whether it would be Apple music only and
0:17:59I think I would prefer if it was because
0:18:03to me if they could remove Apple music
0:18:05from iTunes and just let iTunes be the
0:18:09legacy app that does your local music
0:18:11library and has nothing to do that with
0:18:14music then the Apple music app could
0:18:16finally have its own like coherent
0:18:18design that would be way less confusing
0:18:20way more lightweight would solve you
0:18:22know people's issues with like storage
0:18:24and cloud matching and everything by
0:18:25basically just not supporting it that
0:18:26stuff that would be so much better so I
0:18:29hope that's the direction they're going
0:18:31I don't know if it will be I will give
0:18:32it maybe 50/50 odds if they do this but
0:18:34are you saying that you wouldn't be able
0:18:36to have a local music collection the
0:18:38music I would iTunes stay around forever
0:18:40I don't know there are lots of ancient
0:18:43os10 at or sorry Mac OS apps that do
0:18:46basically stay around forever you know
0:18:47many of them are better than the
0:18:48utilities folder but you know they're
0:18:49all still there so you know if you
0:18:51wanted iTunes to be your look immunity
0:18:52player fine I can keep your local music
0:18:54player also it isn't the only one that
0:18:56exists in the world there are other
0:18:57local music players for Mac OS and if
0:18:59Apple went in this direction with the
0:19:01official music app and also iTunes
0:19:04basically died eventually over time or
0:19:06immediately then there be an immediate
0:19:09large market for other people to make
0:19:10these apps so I wouldn't worry too much
0:19:12about that even like I am a person who
0:19:14uses iTunes almost entirely for local
0:19:17music and that's not going to change
0:19:19anytime soon but I recognize also that
0:19:23is like a dying breed and if Apple music
0:19:26is able to be its own app and basically
0:19:28kick it out of iTunes that's way better
0:19:31for both Apple music and local music
0:19:34libraries I don't like that idea I want
0:19:37the I think just an app just dedicated
0:19:40to music like the solution I think is
0:19:41not to so it's confusing as you have
0:19:43iTunes Match and local files both cloud
0:19:44files and it's all confusing in iTunes
0:19:46the solution is not to not let people do
0:19:49local it's
0:19:49make a dedicated music app that you know
0:19:52makes it not confusing like so is it's
0:19:56better about all the things that we
0:19:58complain about items about about not
0:20:00respecting your files on disk about
0:20:02improperly matching them about not
0:20:04respecting your metadata like it has to
0:20:05it has to serve the needs of the entire
0:20:08range of music you could have you could
0:20:10have music that you from your own CDs or
0:20:13illegally downloaded or whatever that
0:20:16you've carefully tagged and organized
0:20:18over many many years you could
0:20:20subscription to Apple music all these
0:20:23things that could be that and it has to
0:20:24it has to respect them and as to you
0:20:26know it has to treat them not treat them
0:20:30cavalierly and do a good job backing
0:20:32things up and be reliable and all the
0:20:34things you get a chance to do when you
0:20:35start from scratch with a new
0:20:36application rather than saying oh this
0:20:38is just gonna be an apple ease
0:20:39experiment player and we'll let you know
0:20:42a third party opportunity to do musical
0:20:44because I don't think there's enough of
0:20:45a market for there to be you know
0:20:49because I just don't think that many
0:20:50people have local music collections that
0:20:52they care that much about for there to
0:20:53be a robust third party music player
0:20:56especially if that third party music
0:20:57player doesn't support streaming
0:20:58services who's gonna make that
0:21:00application and say we're just gonna
0:21:01sell to the diminishing proportion of
0:21:05the user base who have local music that
0:21:09they care about like that's not a
0:21:10winning even without iTunes in the
0:21:12picture at all like that's not a winning
0:21:14formula so I really hope they don't do
0:21:16that I hope I hope they have a music app
0:21:19that does everything that needs to do
0:21:21you know I think you underestimate how
0:21:24much both Marco and Steven Hackett would
0:21:26pay for this sort of managers standalone
0:21:29music app but be that as it may it's
0:21:32funny because I feel like my heart
0:21:35agrees with Marco and left
0:21:37if I were calling the shots I would want
0:21:39there to be a two different apps like
0:21:42let iTunes stick around forever but slim
0:21:44it down to be just managing your local
0:21:46music library and or iTunes Match and
0:21:48and you know obviously there's some
0:21:49nuances there but it's just simple for
0:21:51the purposes of simplicity let's call it
0:21:53that and then have like Marco said a
0:21:55brand new Apple music app that's just
0:21:57for Apple music and and I think I would
0:22:00like that a lot and that's part of the
0:22:01reason why I've stuck with Spotify
0:22:03even after a from Apple music became a
0:22:04thing part of it was because I didn't
0:22:06care for much of Apple music in general
0:22:09but I also actually liked having that
0:22:12separation and continued to like having
0:22:13that separation of the music that is
0:22:15legitimately mine and the music that I'm
0:22:18just renting basically and having Apple
0:22:21music versus iTunes would satisfy that
0:22:24but my brain even though my heart agrees
0:22:27with Marco my brain agrees the John and
0:22:29I think that the rightest answer to the
0:22:31solution is probably just making iTunes
0:22:33or whatever replaces it not crappy and
0:22:36have it more eloquently handle remote
0:22:41music versus local music etc and the
0:22:44other thing I'm really wary of is even
0:22:46though I really would love to see iTunes
0:22:50either die or get revamped such that
0:22:53it's not all things to all people I
0:22:56really worry in John you were saying
0:22:58this earlier I really worry that we're
0:23:00in one of those photos scenarios when
0:23:02when all of us was calling for you know
0:23:04oh let's replace photos photos is so old
0:23:06nobody's paying attention to it let's
0:23:07let's let's fix it and then we got the
0:23:09fixed and we were all like oh no this is
0:23:12not what we wanted and always Ari yes
0:23:15yes yes thank you replace iPhoto and and
0:23:18obviously it's gotten a lot better but
0:23:19it it still was not really what we
0:23:22wanted look at what was it Final Cut X
0:23:23is that right something like that how
0:23:34that one I mean I mean I mean I totally
0:23:37did that on purpose anyway I'm so sorry
0:23:42to everyone but the point is when Final
0:23:44Cut Pro got redone and everyone you know
0:23:48was really perturbed about the things
0:23:50that were driving on saying unfairly but
0:23:52was perturbed about the things that were
0:23:53dropped the features that were dropped I
0:23:55I fear that we're in a similar situation
0:23:57with iTunes and I don't see any way how
0:24:00we couldn't be given that iTunes is all
0:24:02things to all people and there's so much
0:24:05code there and it's what was wasn't a
0:24:08Joel on software a Joel Spolsky that
0:24:09that wrote a really good post years and
0:24:11years and years ago about how you should
0:24:13never rewrite anything discussed
0:24:15on the show and I said it wasn't that
0:24:17good you know like many things that is a
0:24:19great rule it's it's a great input when
0:24:22you're making a decision but like all
0:24:24rules like you have to decide when you
0:24:27know how to break them or not and this
0:24:28and you know if you say like between
0:24:31this release of our products and
0:24:32actually is for a product we should
0:24:33rewrite the whole thing from scratch
0:24:34like well is the product still like
0:24:36needing to do the same things like what
0:24:38are you really getting out of that
0:24:39whereas with this it's like this is the
0:24:43needs of these products have changed so
0:24:46much over time that keeping them around
0:24:49is actually more of a liability in a lot
0:24:50of ways and not only from the code but
0:24:53even from the design of having this all
0:24:55be one app you're not like we're not
0:24:57suggesting that you rewrite iTunes from
0:24:59scratch we are suggesting that you break
0:25:02up this app into like five different
0:25:04other apps each of which can be way
0:25:06better at solving the problem that it's
0:25:08meant to solve than this one app that
0:25:10tries to solve all five of these things
0:25:12badly so here's my medic concern about
0:25:14this whole thing and this is always I
0:25:16was trying to think of this while you
0:25:18guys were talking and I can't come up
0:25:19with something maybe you can my question
0:25:21is does Apple still know how to make
0:25:23really great mac apps I'm trying to
0:25:25think of the last really great mac app
0:25:28that Apple made maybe is it is it maybe
0:25:32Final Cut Pro 10 and iMovie like that
0:25:35when they revamp those because those are
0:25:37pretty good right but I'm not sure like
0:25:40it used to be you know Apple makes the
0:25:42best Mac absent if you're a third-party
0:25:44developer try to make your apps as good
0:25:45as them and it slowly shifted to be like
0:25:47if you want to see the exemplars of
0:25:49great Mac applications you have to look
0:25:50at third parties because all the first
0:25:52party stuff is either not half-butted
0:25:55and Marcos parlance but like it's slight
0:25:57like for example when they redid
0:26:00contacts and notes on the Mac I mean you
0:26:05know they're alright they're not bad but
0:26:07they're pretty slight right no one would
0:26:08say this is a tour de force Mac
0:26:10application of the Mac version of notes
0:26:12like it's alright you know it's there
0:26:14and now all the great Mac apps it's like
0:26:18if you want to see an amazing Mac
0:26:19application like you know look at look
0:26:22at panics you know transmit right or
0:26:24something from Omni right where it's
0:26:26like a a full-featured beautifully
0:26:28designed
0:26:29and well thought-out stable reliable you
0:26:32know like all the things that you want
0:26:34from a great Mac application the kind of
0:26:36applications are BBEdit for that matter
0:26:37kind of applications to make people love
0:26:39them and be dedicated to them known as
0:26:41no one is dedicated to the Mac version
0:26:42of notes right I mean the iOS version of
0:26:45notes as you know gotten way better and
0:26:47they're adding features left and right
0:26:49there but I'm trying to think of what's
0:26:50the last great man you're supposed to
0:26:52fari
0:26:52sorry it's pretty darn good too but
0:26:53that's that's oh like the last great new
0:26:56Mac App Apple's head in the past few
0:26:58years it seems like every time they make
0:27:00a new Mac application it's alright yeah
0:27:03like I feel like photos is like the best
0:27:04example photos is the the app that
0:27:08should have been a great demonstration
0:27:11of what the Mac can do and it hasn't
0:27:13been at all and I would even brought in
0:27:16your question of Ken Apple still make
0:27:18great mac apps I would remove the word
0:27:20Mac from that and say can Apple still
0:27:22great still make great apps Apple is
0:27:26remarkably good these days at being a
0:27:28platform company their OS is amazing
0:27:31their ap eyes are amazing that keep
0:27:33adding new cool API is like a Ark it
0:27:36like just to add to their other massive
0:27:38pile of incredibly sophisticated api's
0:27:41Apple is really good at the platform's
0:27:45the frameworks the OS but I I really
0:27:48have not gotten the sense from Apple
0:27:52that they really know how to make great
0:27:53apps anymore and and to their credit
0:27:55they haven't made very many new apps
0:27:57recently like maybe they maybe they
0:27:58realize this too or maybe they've
0:28:00decided not to do that much anymore
0:28:02they've been making good apps I feel
0:28:04like especially on iOS I think they're
0:28:06making good iOS apps and a lot of it I
0:28:08think a lot of the iOS ones are
0:28:09exemplars you could say hey you want to
0:28:11you want to make a good eye o s app look
0:28:13at Apple's applications and that's kind
0:28:16of like the baseline try to match that
0:28:17right but none of them I mean it may I
0:28:19don't know in iOS but like on the Mac
0:28:21anyway I don't feel like any of them are
0:28:22great and it kind of in the way that
0:28:24iTunes was great in the beginning like
0:28:27you know at one iTunes sort of got got
0:28:28the ball rolling and it was like you
0:28:30could search for music so quickly and
0:28:32the interface was so straightforward and
0:28:34intuitive than anyone could figure out
0:28:35how to do it with a three pane browser
0:28:36and you know and then integrating the
0:28:39store that all seemed to work like
0:28:40before iTunes became the
0:28:42jack-of-all-trades
0:28:43I think it was a pretty great
0:28:44application too even though it was just
0:28:46sound jam or whatever reskin to begin
0:28:47with right yeah something like that I'm
0:28:51sure there is still the talent in the
0:28:53company to make great applications like
0:28:56what we're talking about if they
0:28:57prioritize them I think they just
0:28:58haven't prioritized them really like
0:29:00they've been doing so much else they've
0:29:01been launching new platforms and making
0:29:04new services and you know making the OS
0:29:06is better and everything they've been
0:29:07doing so much else that it just seems
0:29:09like they don't really put a lot behind
0:29:12their first party apps anymore and that
0:29:13shows in some big you know end of life
0:29:16things like aperture and also just the
0:29:19kind of you know languishing nature of a
0:29:21lot of their other apps along with apps
0:29:23that are revamped into new versions that
0:29:26aren't necessarily to do the old ones
0:29:27like the Photos app you know in that
0:29:28place iPhoto and aperture you know like
0:29:30the I think it is very clear like I
0:29:32would say you know I don't want to put
0:29:35this entirely on Johnny I've because I
0:29:36do that a lot but in the the big shuffle
0:29:39up when Forrestal was out and Ives
0:29:42Department became head of software
0:29:44design as well as hardware design I
0:29:45would say since that happened appala
0:29:49seem to be in a period of flux with
0:29:51their application design skills that
0:29:53have not been good and even going into
0:29:56iOS 11 like we still don't know what the
0:29:57new phone and this potential notch is
0:30:00gonna look like but if that knotch
0:30:01you know if basically we're looking at
0:30:03the iOS 11 design with these like giant
0:30:05title bars with the big white you know
0:30:07bold text titles and basically making
0:30:10everything like Apple music which seems
0:30:12like a terrible idea because if you
0:30:13would have said after last year after I
0:30:15was 10 we're gonna make all the apps in
0:30:18the system look like Apple music people
0:30:21thought you were joking but now you know
0:30:23now that's the style that might make
0:30:26sense in some big grand vision here that
0:30:29we have yet to see the you know the
0:30:30final play of wouldn't when the new
0:30:31phone comes out it's also possible the
0:30:34apples just going through like this kind
0:30:36of like design puberty period where like
0:30:39they're they're in between you know two
0:30:41different eras or ages or they're trying
0:30:43to find their footing or whatever the
0:30:44case may be it seems like Apple is has
0:30:48been all over the map with software
0:30:49design in the last few years and they
0:30:51have not yet found the right place to be
0:30:54yet yeah
0:30:56I feel like Final Cut Pro 10 and the new
0:30:58iMovie that that was before it those
0:31:01were actually I think the only Mac
0:31:05applications that could rarely be called
0:31:07great they were after the you know the
0:31:11skeuomorphic age like a garage band and
0:31:13stuff like that with the wood paneling
0:31:14like that was you know high movie and
0:31:16the original digital hub like there's a
0:31:17lot of great applications there but
0:31:19those were all definitely in the forest
0:31:21all skeuomorphic whatever or even though
0:31:23he you know whatever that that her right
0:31:25and then where we are now is the place
0:31:28where you know photos and the revised
0:31:32you know contacts and notes an even
0:31:36calendar and self on the Mac they're
0:31:38kind of you know they're right they're
0:31:40very simple they're slight bit more of
0:31:41the Johnny hive thing and I feel like in
0:31:43between there was the iMovie design
0:31:46which was not super skeuomorphic but was
0:31:48also not like oh let's remove every
0:31:50single control from the interface and
0:31:51make just giant expanses of white white
0:31:53or in this case black so I think maybe
0:31:56that is and that's the last time I can
0:31:59recall seeing one of those maybe there's
0:32:00other applications that I don't use them
0:32:02people keep bringing up like the iWork
0:32:03Sweeting everything but those aren't
0:32:04those are new applications like they've
0:32:06evolved and I could say those have the
0:32:08same kind of problem with the syncing up
0:32:09with the uikit and all right now do you
0:32:12like it syncing up with iOS features and
0:32:14losing stuff and coming back up they've
0:32:16they've had their our own problems
0:32:18during the way during the their their
0:32:20development I don't think those are
0:32:21great applications yeah and even if they
0:32:24were you'd have to date them back to
0:32:25when they were introduced so maybe it's
0:32:27just iMovie and Final Cut Pro 10 and
0:32:29those were controversial as well we are
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0:34:19passion we have what is possibly my
0:34:26favorite line item that has ever
0:34:28appeared in follow up ever and I will
0:34:31read it verbatim for the listeners the
0:34:34topic that we are apparently about to
0:34:36discuss a topic it's a foul of item
0:34:38whatever
0:34:40good grief the follow-up item copyright
0:34:452011 Johnson he said that we are about
0:34:46to discuss is as follows quote advice
0:34:49for Markos sensitive Toshi end quote
0:34:53would one of us I'm assuming Jon like to
0:34:56tell us what his advice would be for
0:34:58Marco's since my advice its listeners
0:35:00advice last week and people had advice
0:35:08for what he could do to make his bump
0:35:11feel better one piece of advice was to
0:35:15buy shorts with a pad in the butt
0:35:17especially made for people who ride
0:35:18bikes I go for made for mountain bikers
0:35:21so probably that's the thing that you
0:35:23can
0:35:23get and someone suggested that but the
0:35:26other suggestion that I think it is even
0:35:27better is bicycle riders saying don't
0:35:30put all your weight on your butt when
0:35:31you're riding your bike put some of your
0:35:33weight on the pedals and some of your
0:35:34weight and the handlebars and some of
0:35:36the weight on your butt and then you
0:35:37won't have your entire weight on the
0:35:40very hard seat and if you do that it
0:35:42will make any seat feel more comfortable
0:35:44for you
0:35:45I would say the latter option of
0:35:47changing my biking technique to put less
0:35:49weight on my butt that is a good idea if
0:35:51I was a professional bike list but I'm
0:35:55not have to be a professional bike guest
0:35:58in your words to do that you can you can
0:36:00you can change the way you bike and not
0:36:02be paid to be a bicycle rider you know
0:36:04that's something I will slowly work
0:36:05towards but that's like you know a
0:36:06gradual technique thing also like a lot
0:36:08of the riding I'm doing around here is
0:36:09very slowly because I'm riding with my
0:36:12kid who is now very well riding a bike
0:36:14that took no time thank you John you
0:36:15were right and it's awesome so we're
0:36:17riding around but it's running very
0:36:19slowly so like it's kind of hard to like
0:36:20hold yourself up all that time and
0:36:21you're going like two miles an hour
0:36:23secondly the bike shorts with built in
0:36:26but padding I don't really see the point
0:36:28of that honestly I mean again maybe this
0:36:30is I mean that professional bike ists
0:36:31have some good reason for but if they're
0:36:33saying the seat shouldn't be padded your
0:36:35shorts should be padded well I think
0:36:37there but I think they're both padded
0:36:38like double doubling up the padding I
0:36:40guess then you get then you get to look
0:36:42like stupid sexy flanders III appreciate
0:36:45these two options
0:36:47written in by the professional bike ists
0:36:49I am NOT going to take either of them
0:36:50instead I did what I said I was gonna do
0:36:53last week and I just went on Amazon and
0:36:54spent eighteen dollars on a really soft
0:36:57cushy seat and that's great and it's
0:37:00fixed it pretty much as well as anything
0:37:01besides new tyres could so done well
0:37:04stupid sexy finest was skiing not biking
0:37:06there wasn't refiners have bike shorts
0:37:08too anyway
0:37:09bike shorts you can kind of be a no
0:37:11Majah stupid sexy flanders is this the
0:37:14first time i've ever had to podcast
0:37:15topic about my butt name might be
0:37:17not the last probably dan just to do a
0:37:24quick status check how many bikes did
0:37:26you buy in the last week well how do I
0:37:30measure so what if I said you've
0:37:33returned Tony but we're the new bike
0:37:35slow
0:37:36Harmony House hopeful well technically I
0:37:38was asking to be funny and now you're
0:37:40giving me a legitimate friggin answer
0:37:41technically two but one was a
0:37:43replacement for a defect one in one all
0:37:46right oh my god yeah the other one was
0:37:49the sand bike it's amazing I thought you
0:37:51weren't getting one but you borrowed the
0:37:52neighbors and you were like oh that's
0:37:53just saved me a lot of money now I'm not
0:37:55gonna buy the thing because I know that
0:37:57it's hard work yep and then I bought it
0:38:00it's a lot of fun it's a lot of how do
0:38:03we do this John John how do we how do we
0:38:05do it you're gonna say I'm like for Adam
0:38:06he's got unlimited energy he could just
0:38:08be whirring away on those pedestals
0:38:10forever he's riding nine miles a day
0:38:12just get him a sandbag he'll be down to
0:38:14like you know four and a half the same
0:38:15amount of effort it's actually a lot
0:38:17easier to follow him in a sand bike
0:38:18because it's like you can go first of
0:38:20all you can go slowly more easily
0:38:22because the tires are so big that's five
0:38:24inch times and then the other thing is
0:38:26that when when he you know as you're
0:38:29going down Lee you know some of the
0:38:30boring parts of the ride if you're on
0:38:31the sand bike you can go in like the
0:38:34sand berm on the side of the sidewalk
0:38:35and have more fun and jump over the
0:38:37various things there and you know makes
0:38:39a little more fun the regular bike it
0:38:42with the firm ride is the way more
0:38:44practical one that is the one I should
0:38:46have and the one I still ride a lot of
0:38:48the time the sand bike is the fun one
0:38:50that's the one that makes me smile I
0:38:53can't believe you had a serious answer
0:38:55for that question I should have known
0:38:56better I should have known just window
0:38:57he stops using the same bike in the snow
0:38:59bring it back home for the winter
0:39:01actually was thinking about trying that
0:39:04I have it attached jetan who's this sign
0:39:09put skis into the wheels okay let's just
0:39:13move on to ask a teepee Robert
0:39:15prejudiced I'm so sorry Robert asks OLED
0:39:19or LCD for future iPhone in my
0:39:22experience OLED is inferior burns out
0:39:24why doesn't ever white but rather
0:39:25pinkish or greenish I don't have very
0:39:29many thoughts on this other than to say
0:39:30the only oled screen that I'm aware of
0:39:33that I have is my Apple watch because
0:39:35that's all LED right and and I haven't
0:39:39noticed any of these issues personally
0:39:42that doesn't mean he's wrong by any
0:39:43means I just it just means I haven't
0:39:45noticed them so androids been
0:39:48Android shows an OLED for a long time
0:39:50and like why why samples that have LCD
0:39:53the one of the theories is that Apple's
0:39:56standards for colour reproduction and
0:39:59you know like just general quality image
0:40:03quality have not been able to be met by
0:40:06OLED screen so you know that practically
0:40:09speaking like future I'll see the future
0:40:13for iPhone well the new iPhones coming
0:40:14out are gonna be all that certainly the
0:40:16pro one maybe the other ones as well
0:40:17right so there's that practical thing of
0:40:20like hey the next new iPhones you're
0:40:21gonna get some o LEDs on long term does
0:40:23that mean like all phones are gonna be
0:40:25already going forward if Apple puts an
0:40:28OLED in their fancy new phone it
0:40:30probably means they were able to get the
0:40:33quality up to their standards so it's as
0:40:36good as and certainly better in black
0:40:38levels than the LCDs ones to replace
0:40:40them so Apple has waited a long time to
0:40:42jump from LCD to OLED but they're doing
0:40:45it now which probably means they're
0:40:46gonna be good and if they are good the
0:40:48potential power saving advantages of
0:40:50them mean that there's no reason for
0:40:52them to go back to LCD and you know and
0:40:54the the black level improvements on them
0:40:56so I think that the future of the iPhone
0:40:59line is all OLED as soon as Apple can
0:41:02swing that in terms of cost maybe right
0:41:05now they're fancy OLED screen and the
0:41:06volumes they can get produced in I mean
0:41:08that they'll have to keep shipping LCD
0:41:10iPhones for a long time and certainly
0:41:13these step-down models a lot gonna be
0:41:14LCD for their lives until they get
0:41:15replaced by step-down OLED model some
0:41:18for burnin you know image retention
0:41:21whatever LCD still has that all that is
0:41:23supposedly worse we'll find out how much
0:41:24worse but you know we've seen LCDs with
0:41:27really bad image retention and LCDs with
0:41:30not so bad image retention presumably
0:41:32the same is true we'll find out and
0:41:34white being never white or pinkish that
0:41:36goes back to quality like presumably
0:41:38than one of the screens that Apple's got
0:41:39don't suffer from that problem so short
0:41:42answer kool-aid Josh stager writes what
0:41:45is Marcos process for reselling his
0:41:47myriad of machines would this work for
0:41:50someone without a hundred thousand
0:41:51Twitter followers so basically my
0:41:54process is when I want to sell something
0:41:57whether it's a laptop or you know
0:41:59something else when I want to sell
0:42:00something that I think anybody on
0:42:01Twitter might
0:42:02you know it moves fast the reason that
0:42:05moves fast yes it part of it is that I
0:42:07have a lot of followers so I kind of
0:42:09have an unfair advantage there part of
0:42:10it is that I know how much it cost me to
0:42:12sell something on eBay if you sell
0:42:15something on eBay you're gonna lose
0:42:16roughly 15% in various fees and
0:42:19everything so it's eBay is great if you
0:42:21search completed items and more
0:42:23specifically sold items it's great to
0:42:25tell you kind of what something is worth
0:42:26and I know that if I I sell it on eBay
0:42:29I'm only gonna net you know 15 or 20%
0:42:32under that price so then I just post on
0:42:34Twitter saying hey I'll sell us you know
0:42:36for you know 20 percent under eBay is
0:42:38price whatever and it moves fast because
0:42:41it's both you know being shown to a lot
0:42:43of people and it's also a really good
0:42:44deal
0:42:45I value simplicity and speed to the deal
0:42:48over you know getting the absolute
0:42:50maximum price for it so if you're what
0:42:53if you want to sell things either you
0:42:55have two tools at your disposal you can
0:42:57either you know go for a big audience or
0:43:00you know which you know if you if you
0:43:01don't a lot of Twitter followers and
0:43:03followers elsewhere you know eBay is
0:43:04your best chance there or you can just
0:43:06sell it for a very very attractive price
0:43:08if you just want to move fast and I
0:43:10choose to do both of those things so I
0:43:12don't think it's really the follower
0:43:14count that is as big a deal I mean
0:43:16certainly that helps but an obviously
0:43:19need to be above some threshold to have
0:43:21any idea selling but the the key factor
0:43:24for why once you get above a certain
0:43:26number or followers why you why Marco in
0:43:29particular has success selling things in
0:43:31addition to the pricing that you just
0:43:32talked about is that lots of people feel
0:43:36like Lea no Marco from all the things
0:43:37that he does in public and so there's a
0:43:39certain level of trust that is implicit
0:43:42trust that he's not just some random
0:43:44scammer and not just trust like oh he
0:43:46seems nice on podcast so I think he's a
0:43:48nice person it's sort of a mutually
0:43:50assured destruction thing if you are a
0:43:51quote-unquote public figure right if you
0:43:53have a public reputation and something
0:43:55to lose chances are good that you're not
0:43:58going to be like you know an internet
0:44:00famous nerd person with a hundred
0:44:02thousand followers and then scam someone
0:44:04by taking their money and never shipping
0:44:05the machine to them right you wouldn't
0:44:07do that because that person's gonna be
0:44:09like hey they'll write a blog post it'll
0:44:11be like I tried to buy Mark Roberts
0:44:13computer and he took my money and never
0:44:14sent me the computer
0:44:16and that would get a bazillion hits and
0:44:17it would be all over the internet like
0:44:19Marco has something to lose his
0:44:21reputation and people would care about
0:44:23that story people would listen to that
0:44:24person's story if it's like Oh famous
0:44:26person doesn't mean thing whereas random
0:44:28scammer takes your money doesn't send
0:44:29you the thing on eBay and you write a
0:44:31blog post about it
0:44:32no one's gonna post that on Hacker News
0:44:33no one's con dude you know it's not
0:44:35gonna be on TechCrunch front page it's
0:44:37not gonna be in tech name no one cares
0:44:39about you so you got scammed by selling
0:44:40Internet that's great right so I think
0:44:43the combination of people understanding
0:44:45that Marco has something to lose and
0:44:46people generally think feeling like they
0:44:48know him from all this podcasts and it's
0:44:49work say that he's probably really got
0:44:52this computer he's not lying about it
0:44:54he's gonna ship it to me like he says
0:44:55he's going to and that peace of mind
0:44:57does not exist on ebay whether buying or
0:44:59selling or Craigslist or anything like
0:45:01that it's like I don't know these people
0:45:03this could not be a person at all this
0:45:05could be a bot somewhere you know in
0:45:07Lithuania I have no idea about any of
0:45:09this whereas it's kind of like it's not
0:45:11like buying it for a friend because they
0:45:13don't know Marco know him but the
0:45:14combination of mutually assured
0:45:16destruction public figure thing and the
0:45:19general nice feelings people have for
0:45:21people that they read their blog posts
0:45:22and listen to that podcast that is super
0:45:25important on top of the large number of
0:45:27followers now does that mean all this
0:45:28advice is completely useless for
0:45:30everybody I think Marcos advice is the
0:45:31most useful like price it's move and
0:45:33it'll move but you still have to find
0:45:34some venue for putting your offer in
0:45:37front of people and then you have to
0:45:40Marco's got this on his side you have to
0:45:42deal with the person who makes the offer
0:45:43you write the thing on Twitter hopefully
0:45:45you're narrowing down but people who
0:45:46follow you on Twitter and notifying your
0:45:48stuff there as it's not just a bunch of
0:45:49random individuals but you still have to
0:45:52deal with that person and hope that they
0:45:54you know you get the money from them
0:45:56you're gonna send another thing and all
0:45:57that stuff like that so I don't think
0:45:59there's any easy answers here but if you
0:46:02can if you can at all get yourself a
0:46:05hundred thousand Twitter followers and
0:46:06have a public reputation on the internet
0:46:09for a decade or two that really helps
0:46:10out with selling stuff I'd also like to
0:46:13add that if you're willing to trade a
0:46:16little bit of lost money so to speak for
0:46:20convenience
0:46:21ghazal who honestly don't remember if
0:46:24they were a past sponsor of the show
0:46:25they probably were but I've used them by
0:46:28choice and there are other equipment
0:46:29people as well but gizelle is super nice
0:46:32for technology related things so like
0:46:34old computers old phones etc and
0:46:37basically you just tell them hey I've
0:46:39got some such device it's approximately
0:46:41this quantity quality and they mail you
0:46:44a box you put your device in the box you
0:46:45mail it to them and they will give you I
0:46:47think it used to be I don't know if this
0:46:48is still true like an Amazon gift card
0:46:50or a I think like a cheque or something
0:46:53like that and typically these prices are
0:46:55not as good as they would be if you did
0:46:57like an eBay or something like that but
0:46:59they're not terrible and if you want it
0:47:02if you're willing to trade a little bit
0:47:04of money for supreme convenience I def
0:47:08and you don't have a hundred thousand
0:47:09Twitter collars I definitely recommend
0:47:11looking into one of these places like
0:47:13gazelle I've heard very good things
0:47:15about some sort of quasi equivalent
0:47:17thing or maybe it's more like eBay that
0:47:19Amazon does I don't know anything about
0:47:21it really but I've heard good things but
0:47:24there are there are ways you can do this
0:47:25is what I'm driving out there were there
0:47:27are ways you can do this without having
0:47:28a hundred thousand Twitter followers I
0:47:29would also say if you if what you are
0:47:31selling is an Apple product if you're
0:47:34gonna go that route
0:47:35check out Mac me and offer this is
0:47:38something I learned from Paul Haddad of
0:47:40Tweetbot I got a great deal on one of my
0:47:43MacBook Pros that I sold last year by
0:47:45just talking to them instead it you know
0:47:48there's a bunch of these sites that buy
0:47:50this stuff most of the time the deals
0:47:52that you get are awful a big site like
0:47:55gazelle that you know the the prices you
0:47:58get are hideously bad like you only sell
0:48:01to them if you really really don't want
0:48:03to go to like eBay or something like
0:48:05that but yeah this is and sometimes it
0:48:07doesn't work out sometimes you know like
0:48:09like one of the things I found is when
0:48:11you're selling something that is not
0:48:13that old but not that popular or not
0:48:15nestling very well so for instance when
0:48:17I sold my 15 inch touch bar last year or
0:48:21when I sold the twelve point nine inch
0:48:23iPad pro those were things that because
0:48:27I guess they weren't selling that well
0:48:29Apple was discount of them pretty deeply
0:48:31in in both their refurb store and
0:48:33through partners like Best Buy and
0:48:35Target that are like apples official
0:48:37retailers but that like they go on sale
0:48:40they're mysteriously when Apple needs to
0:48:42move more
0:48:43them even when Apple themselves never
0:48:44puts anything on sale so if the thing
0:48:47you're selling is one of those things
0:48:48you might like you might be stuck with
0:48:50something that's not worth nearly what
0:48:51you what you paid for it or what you
0:48:53think it should be worth but you know if
0:48:55you go to one of these sites you can
0:48:57usually you know get a bunch of offers
0:48:59and you know pick whatever one is
0:49:00easiest for you alright the final ask
0:49:03ATP for this week
0:49:05t Dell rights have any of you ever seen
0:49:08a doctor or physical therapist because
0:49:10of RSI I will start because I have a
0:49:12boring answer which is no I haven't
0:49:14every great once in a while one of my
0:49:16wrists will hurt ever so slightly and
0:49:18I'll adjust my positioning or whatever
0:49:20the case may be and I've been lucky
0:49:21enough that it tends to go away very
0:49:22quickly this is where the entire
0:49:23internet writes in to say oh you've
0:49:25already got it it's too late oh that's
0:49:28probably true and that's okay I will try
0:49:30to do this in order of severity of RSI
0:49:32problems so I will move on now to Marco
0:49:35I have I don't think of a person a
0:49:38doctor for RSI I did have a major back
0:49:40issue that put me into physical therapy
0:49:42for a little while about ten years ago
0:49:44but that was you know I asked a few
0:49:47hours I related questions during that
0:49:48little process but I made a few changes
0:49:50that happen to be similar because it was
0:49:52about like sitting too much and stuff
0:49:53but otherwise the answer is generally no
0:49:56I've only had very minor RSI problems
0:50:00and I have solved them mostly by reading
0:50:03a few books and articles and making
0:50:06changes to like you know make sure my
0:50:08desk is the right height make sure my I
0:50:10have an appropriate chair and I switched
0:50:12to a natural keyboard with the split
0:50:14layout and and those things were
0:50:17basically enough for for me to solve my
0:50:20minor issues so far alright John I'm
0:50:22buckled in let's hear the story so I
0:50:25have Condor doctor my first really bad
0:50:27flare was back when I lived in Georgia
0:50:28shortly after graduating college and I
0:50:33went to a general practitioner and got
0:50:37referred and nothing really came of that
0:50:39and then I you know didn't everything
0:50:42they recommended was not useful
0:50:43I eventually came up to move back up to
0:50:46Massachusetts and same deal went to
0:50:48general practitioner got referred
0:50:50eventually found a physical therapist
0:50:53who actually helped me
0:50:55and kept going to see that person for a
0:50:58while and it did a bunch of adjustments
0:51:00and life changes and stuff like that and
0:51:02now I'm basically managing it the the
0:51:05difficulty with this is it's basically
0:51:06it's hard to find doctors or specialists
0:51:10or GPS who understand RSI like at all
0:51:15right a lot of doctors have a vague
0:51:18surface-level understanding it's
0:51:20basically at the same level the average
0:51:21person where I think our RSI is
0:51:24synonymous with carpal tunnel and don't
0:51:26really know about any of the details and
0:51:28give you dumb advice or tell you to take
0:51:29Advil all which is useless if you do
0:51:34find someone who actually understands
0:51:36our I saw it and treats RSI and you know
0:51:39takes it seriously and actually knows
0:51:44what will help people because they have
0:51:45lots of patients that do this that's
0:51:48that's great but it takes a lot of tries
0:51:50to get there you don't I don't think
0:51:54anyone ever needs their their general
0:51:56practitioner do anything for them mostly
0:51:57you need to find some kind of specialist
0:51:59whether it's a specialist doctor or
0:52:03occupational therapist or physical
0:52:05therapist or whatever it may be I you
0:52:10know I always tell people that they with
0:52:12you know I would tell Casey you know see
0:52:14a doctor but it's like it's good advice
0:52:16this is something they should do but
0:52:17it's bad advice because I know if I tell
0:52:19them that and they go see their doctor
0:52:20their doctor is almost certainly not
0:52:22gonna help them at all but you have to
0:52:24keep going and like finding it's like
0:52:26you know use the internet find other
0:52:27people in your area who have RSI and as
0:52:29I think everyone has learned now in this
0:52:31age where everybody sits in front of
0:52:33something and types for long periods of
0:52:35time
0:52:35did you know if if you're certainly in
0:52:39our tech nerd programming circles right
0:52:41but I think just in general the number
0:52:43of people that we all know that have RSI
0:52:46is way bigger than people think too some
0:52:47people just don't talk about it I just
0:52:48think about it who do we know that is
0:52:50that are that you both know me Marco
0:52:52said it a little bit
0:52:53we know Mike early we just go through
0:52:55all the real a family Gray has RSI
0:52:58problems like this a lot of people have
0:53:01it and so there there is a market for
0:53:04helping these people so you should be
0:53:07able to find it'll be difficult I'd been
0:53:09we'll be difficult it will not be easy
0:53:10but you should be able to find someone
0:53:11who can help you in your area and what
0:53:15will help you what kind of doctor will
0:53:17help you what kind of treatment will
0:53:19help you I don't know but you should the
0:53:21worst thing you can do is ignore it so
0:53:23you have to go through that annoying
0:53:25terrible US healthcare system rigmarole
0:53:27of doing whatever you have to do to get
0:53:31whatever referrals you need to have and
0:53:32if referrals crappy go back to your GP
0:53:34if you still need to referral and say I
0:53:36would like you to refer me to this
0:53:37person or sometimes you just can't you
0:53:39know this person has added Network and
0:53:40you have to pay out-of-pocket you have
0:53:42to do what you have to do but ignoring
0:53:44is the worst thing you do so sure to
0:53:46answer that question yes some of us have
0:53:48seen oh my word we should answer the
0:53:54next yes-or-no question we get we should
0:53:55just ask you know each of us go yes or
0:53:57no answer yeah okay I'm not sure I'm
0:54:00capable with that and with respect I am
0:54:03positive that you to or not I could
0:54:06totally do it no you're you're you're
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0:56:41got two pieces of bad news this week I'm
0:56:45gonna start with the easy one because
0:56:46that's not a topic but it's just sad and
0:56:48if people have workarounds I want to
0:56:50hear it apparently there's a new version
0:56:52of the Google photos uploader and in
0:56:56that new version I'm being told by a
0:56:58friend of mine it does not recognize
0:57:01Network there or perhaps there's just no
0:57:04place to add a network share I have not
0:57:07yet updated and now I fear it but there
0:57:10will probably come a time that I will
0:57:11need to update and I don't know what I'm
0:57:13going to do because I currently have it
0:57:15pointed at a folder on my knowledge II
0:57:17that has all of our pictures because now
0:57:18that we have a child there is in an
0:57:21insurmountable just indescribable amount
0:57:23of photos and I need the disk space on
0:57:25this analogy to hold them that was bad
0:57:28news number one bad news number two the
0:57:31m5 only comes automatic now oh that's
0:57:33right
0:57:34I tell both of you this like
0:57:37weeks ago I didn't want to believe you I
0:57:39didn't either it was not a rumor it was
0:57:41like it's the real Newt anyway God was
0:57:44that was that was bad news number two
0:57:45and not only that but I I would like to
0:57:47publicly concede to Marco that I believe
0:57:49you and I had an argument I don't
0:57:51remember if it was public or not I don't
0:57:52remember if this was neutral time or not
0:57:54but you were adamant that the next m5
0:57:57would have all-wheel-drive and I don't
0:57:59think I was adamantly opposed but I was
0:58:01definitely very opposed and you were
0:58:03correct sir that the next m5 I can't
0:58:06believe you're conceding this now
0:58:07because I also believe I'm this very
0:58:09show like a year ago I said hey guess
0:58:11what Marco was right it's coming in
0:58:12all-wheel drive again again I wasn't I
0:58:14wasn't relating to you a rumor I was
0:58:15telling you a fact but apparently and
0:58:17only now to the public like oh wow it's
0:58:21real I was holding out hope I liked it
0:58:24when I told you it was like this was a
0:58:26done deal
0:58:27done anyway you guys don't listen to me
0:58:29well why would we what do you know about
0:58:31anything anyway the actual piece of bad
0:58:35news that I'm meandering toward that I
0:58:36really wanted to talk about now is that
0:58:39my backup provider I don't know if I
0:58:42would even say of choice I feel like
0:58:44this was kind of a I have no other
0:58:46options that I cared for so this was the
0:58:49only option I had which was crash plan
0:58:51has decided to sunset their consumer
0:58:54business so the reason I chose crash
0:58:57plan is because you can have it back up
0:59:00a network drive and it's considered to
0:59:03be part of your computer and thus I
0:59:05don't really don't remember what I was
0:59:07paying CrashPlan a year but it was
0:59:08something somewhere between five and ten
0:59:09bucks a month and in you could have it
0:59:13back up for in my case for example the
0:59:16Synology and it is just part of my ten
0:59:18bucks a month or whatever the number may
0:59:20have been and perhaps in part because of
0:59:23people like me they've decided okay
0:59:25we're not going to do the consumer side
0:59:28anymore we're only gonna do business
0:59:29small business enough a small business
0:59:31an enterprise and it's not going away
0:59:34for I think over a year and so I have
0:59:36plenty of time to figure out the answer
0:59:37but I've already been wanting to move
0:59:41away from CrashPlan because they have
0:59:44the world's worst native app which isn't
0:59:48really that terribly native it's a god
0:59:51whole java app is job got off on java
0:59:54redundant I think it is but anyway I
0:59:55thought they had a real native app now I
0:59:58believe they promised
0:59:58believe they promised
1:00:00native apps basically every three months
1:00:01for the last two years and never
1:00:03actually deliver them no III think they
1:00:05have one but it might only be for the
1:00:07business customers and not for the
1:00:08consumer ones that's exactly it so that
1:00:11the thing of being too I've been told
1:00:12and again I don't know if this is true
1:00:13or not is that it is only for the
1:00:16business side so one of the options that
1:00:19I have as a CrashPlan user is I could
1:00:21change to a business plan and I didn't
1:00:25think I wanted to do that on account of
1:00:27the fact that I didn't want their
1:00:29god-awful Java based client app but as
1:00:33we just established perhaps the business
1:00:35app or the business side wouldn't be so
1:00:38bad but I haven't had an overwhelmingly
1:00:42positive experience with CrashPlan it
1:00:43just hasn't been negative enough for me
1:00:45to do anything about it
1:00:46so at this point I'm starting to explore
1:00:48okay what are my other options and not
1:00:50only because they've sponsored the show
1:00:52and so you know they've given us some
1:00:54money in the past and and I'm kind of
1:00:55endeared to them for that but because
1:00:58everyone I know genuinely is said that
1:01:00CrashPlan is or excuse me that that
1:01:01Backblaze is phenomenal
1:01:03I've been looking at Backblaze but the
1:01:05problem with Backblaze is you can't do a
1:01:08network share and have that as part of a
1:01:11a regular home backways plan which is if
1:01:14I'm not mistaken why Marco is running I
1:01:16scuzzy or was a very at the very least
1:01:18running eyes cousin ology there you go
1:01:21because then it's treated as sort of
1:01:25kind of a local drive as far as backways
1:01:27is concerned and so you can you can
1:01:29upload your Synology and and still have
1:01:31a regular consumer plan so I could go I
1:01:34scuzzy but but I've heard Marco say in
1:01:36the past a lot of terrible things about
1:01:38it in just a five-way like forgiving
1:01:40what you've told me about your
1:01:41experience I I I am fearful of going
1:01:43down that road nobody should do it so
1:01:46there you go so I've heard some stories
1:01:49about well and somebody saying the chat
1:01:51right now well you can mount it as in yo
1:01:54via NFS and you know do some UNIX e
1:01:56things and maybe that would work okay
1:01:59maybe I've had a lot of people recommend
1:02:02using them back please be to hold on
1:02:04John I'm almost done I promise okay
1:02:07people saying maybe that org it does
1:02:09work people do do this it is the thing
1:02:11you have to futz
1:02:11but it absolutely is the thing that
1:02:13works with that place you can trick back
1:02:14plays into backing up your network share
1:02:16either by using eyes guys you like Marco
1:02:17which no one should do or by using the
1:02:20various means to mount your thing
1:02:22through NFS or Auto FS or whatever and
1:02:24that will work as well but that's also
1:02:27annoying right and that's the thing is I
1:02:29want something that's not fiddly because
1:02:30for all the bad things I have to say
1:02:31about crash plan it was not fiddly which
1:02:33is good so what was my final option Oh
1:02:37back lays b2 that's what it was one of
1:02:39the things that back lays is offering is
1:02:41instead of doing the traditional
1:02:45Backblaze home offering you can do back
1:02:49lays b2 and I'm not entirely clear on
1:02:52the delineation between the two but for
1:02:54the purposes of the conversation so far
1:02:55anyway it's basically a different kind
1:02:57of storage plan a different kind of
1:02:58setup where it's half a cent a gigabyte
1:03:02per month in order to back up to there
1:03:04and if you were to download more than
1:03:07just a pittance then there's a charge
1:03:09for that but that would hypothetically
1:03:11work for the Synology and in fact they
1:03:14either they have software or I think
1:03:16it's actually the Synology itself has a
1:03:18a front end that can upload directly to
1:03:20B 2 such that it would be very not
1:03:23fiddly however I have personally between
1:03:284 and 5 terabytes of stuff on the
1:03:30Synology that I think is worth backing
1:03:31up now a lot of that is is say ripped
1:03:35copies of blu-rays that I still own
1:03:37before anyone starts calling the RIAA
1:03:39and MPAA that - thank you if my bad but
1:03:45anyway yeah I I realized that after you
1:03:47said it but point being like you know
1:03:48I'm not even talking about things that
1:03:50have fallen off of trucks a lot of this
1:03:51stuff is stuff that I have in Plex for
1:03:53convenience if nothing else and I
1:03:55recognize that I could rebuild it and I
1:03:56could perhaps exclusive exclude that
1:03:58from the backup but here again my my
1:04:01preference is I am willing to throw some
1:04:03modicum of money at this problem in
1:04:05order to make my life easier this
1:04:08probably sounds familiar given our
1:04:10conversation about Marko selling things
1:04:11so if I wanted to go to b2 which is my
1:04:14current theory it equates to roughly 20
1:04:19bucks a month which is a far cry from I
1:04:21think the 60-ish dollars a year that I
1:04:24was giving to crash
1:04:25plans so I think the two most appealing
1:04:27options for me and then I'm gonna stop
1:04:28talking is go to the CrashPlan small
1:04:31business plan which is probably
1:04:32approximately the same money I was
1:04:35paying and it should in theory capture
1:04:37the Synology like he used to and there's
1:04:40a lot of me that's thinking that may be
1:04:41the right answer or finally use this as
1:04:44the excuse to divorce from CrashPlan and
1:04:47just use a combination of b2 for the
1:04:49Synology and regular Backblaze for my
1:04:52iMac and just do it that way so that is
1:04:56a lot of I know that was not a very
1:04:57brief summary but there's a lot here so
1:04:59let me I guess start by saying Marco
1:05:03what do you what are your thoughts on I
1:05:04scuzzy and then John I think you're in a
1:05:06similar scenario to me so I'd like to
1:05:07hear your thoughts on a more general
1:05:09level after Marcos well first let me
1:05:12step back a little bit let me say my
1:05:15opening statement to I know John's and I
1:05:20do think it's worth considering how much
1:05:24giant storage you actually need to keep
1:05:27and backup and everything you know we we
1:05:29as as nerds and as computer power users
1:05:31have for years you know many of us have
1:05:34kept these giant media libraries giant
1:05:37media collections and for some people
1:05:38yeah I you know if you actually go and
1:05:41watch those things on a regular basis
1:05:43maybe it's worth keeping those things
1:05:45but a lot of us I think ripped them from
1:05:47like this like artificial scarcity like
1:05:49when we were growing up and then with
1:05:50wasn't it a thing really and computer
1:05:54media was hard and rare you know it's
1:05:57like depression-era
1:05:58grandparents like you know you you grow
1:05:59up like hoarding this stuff so when you
1:06:01now we have these giant hard drives
1:06:03giant bandwidth you know media that's
1:06:05easier to rip off these giant disks like
1:06:07now we want to hoard it alright but the
1:06:10fact is like if you actually want to
1:06:13like finally go back and re-watch
1:06:14something that you've been saving all
1:06:16this time like is it really worth having
1:06:18paid all the money in the meantime on
1:06:22disks on backups of those disks on
1:06:25electricity to power these things in
1:06:27your house that are on all the time
1:06:28suppose you want to watch like one movie
1:06:30a month from your collection you just
1:06:32pay like five or ten bucks to buy it or
1:06:35whatever
1:06:35eat eat watch it you know the very few
1:06:38time
1:06:39is that you actually want to watch me
1:06:41out of that giant library and you might
1:06:43very well come out ahead
1:06:44and you're also gonna think like in that
1:06:46scenario where like suppose you don't
1:06:48store these all these files and you
1:06:49occasionally have to rebuy something to
1:06:53to watch it again might you even not
1:06:56even have to buy it like will it
1:06:57probably be available from like Netflix
1:07:00or a video or a few or like with some
1:07:03other service that you might already be
1:07:04paying for like many of the things that
1:07:06I've ripped I've ended up never watching
1:07:08because like oh I can just get them on
1:07:10Netflix also then if they deal with like
1:07:12suppose you have this library of you
1:07:15know ripped movies well suppose you
1:07:16ripped them as DVDs then HD comes out
1:07:21then blueberries come out then 4k comes
1:07:23out then 4k HDR comes out like by the
1:07:26time you actually want to go back and
1:07:28watch the thing is that Eve is your
1:07:30version of it even still the best
1:07:32quality or can you go on like Netflix
1:07:35the Netflix app on your TV that comes
1:07:38with your TV for free and watch like the
1:07:40same thing in 4k now you know so like I
1:07:43I highly suggest that anybody who's
1:07:46dealing with this problem of how do I
1:07:48backup a massive collection of media
1:07:50really do some some introspection here
1:07:53as like do I really need to be storing
1:07:55all this stuff and if I am storing other
1:07:57software I really need to be backing it
1:07:59up as much as I'm backing up like my
1:08:02family photos or is this a lot less
1:08:05important and can I either delete it and
1:08:06stop worrying about all this or not be
1:08:09backing it up in so many different
1:08:11places so that being said if you are
1:08:15going to backup stuff like this you know
1:08:17we we have these network attached
1:08:20storage devices from Synology that they
1:08:21sent us a long time ago it was very nice
1:08:23of them network attached storage devices
1:08:25are very complicated they're a huge
1:08:29solution to what might be a small
1:08:32problem if your problem is any more disk
1:08:34space an ass is massive overkill for
1:08:37that problem because they are big
1:08:39they're expensive they are entire other
1:08:41computers that you need to manage you
1:08:44need to run separate software updates
1:08:46because they have their own software
1:08:47usually their Linux base or something
1:08:49and because they're kind of their own
1:08:50computers their own kind of servers but
1:08:52they don't
1:08:53quite run Mac OS or Windows or you know
1:08:56anything that you're used to using on a
1:08:59regular computer they have their own
1:09:00special applications they can't run the
1:09:02applications that you might want the
1:09:04processors they run it usually very low
1:09:06end so certain things like Flex
1:09:08transcoding are very limited or you need
1:09:10certain models with certain accelerators
1:09:11or whatever else they're you know
1:09:13running an ass they're very powerful
1:09:16because they are there are little app
1:09:17platforms but if your main problem is I
1:09:21want more disk space for apps that run
1:09:23on a Mac I would say an ass is really
1:09:26quite overkill
1:09:27in the years since we've all gotten
1:09:30these network attacks George Nass things
1:09:32is okay to say NASA I never quite know
1:09:34is that like saying lies or is it like
1:09:36is it actually acceptable I think it's
1:09:39acceptable
1:09:40unlike nitrous Sox whatever the nitrous
1:09:43is yeah yeah this is why our car show
1:09:45was never good anyway yeah so also in
1:09:48the time since we've gotten these nasty
1:09:50vices hard drives gotten way bigger like
1:09:53we got these when the biggest dist you
1:09:55could buy at the time was four terabytes
1:09:56now you can get 10 terabyte drives and
1:09:59while the 10 terabyte ones are kind of
1:10:01expensive they're like about 500 bucks 8
1:10:03terabyte ones which are barely smaller
1:10:05are like 300 bucks now like they're like
1:10:08these are really like hard drives are
1:10:10massive they're way bigger than they
1:10:12were even just a few years ago and they
1:10:15cost very little per terabyte the amount
1:10:17of stuff that we need to store seems it
1:10:20seems like if you're if you're able to
1:10:22use full-size three and a half inch hard
1:10:24drives the heart of capacity has
1:10:27dramatically outpaced our needs for you
1:10:30know most of the things we're storing
1:10:31like you're storing you said about 5
1:10:33terabytes on my on my Synology which I
1:10:35you know I I have something like 16
1:10:38terabytes of usable space with the way
1:10:40I've arranged all the drives with raid
1:10:41and everything I've used out of the 16
1:10:44terabytes I've used about 10 or 8 but
1:10:47I've used it very irresponsibly just
1:10:49look because I knew I had like infinite
1:10:51space so I'm just like throwing stuff
1:10:53all over it like I'm here saying yeah
1:10:55tons of duplication movies that I will
1:10:58probably never watch stuff like that
1:10:59like because I just use it incredibly
1:11:00responsible now if I wanted to store my
1:11:03incredibly irresponsible roughly 10
1:11:05terabytes of stuff
1:11:06I could get to 10 terabyte hard drives
1:11:08and put them in RAID one and be done so
1:11:10an ass first of all I don't think the
1:11:12complexity of an ass makes sense if
1:11:13you're gonna have fewer than about five
1:11:15or even eight disks and and if you're
1:11:18gonna have it you know it's this massive
1:11:19things like if you're gonna have an ass
1:11:22at all I think you to have a really good
1:11:24reason for why specifically that's the
1:11:26right approach for you as opposed to
1:11:28just any other option that's simpler
1:11:31that's maybe more local to a computer
1:11:33you know I understand and mostly agree
1:11:37with everything you've said however I
1:11:39think I would be remiss not to not
1:11:42mention that there are a lot of things
1:11:44that my Synology does that I am glad I
1:11:48have the Synology to do it so as an
1:11:50example I really like that I can have my
1:11:54Synology act as a VPN endpoint I really
1:11:57like that I can have my Synology act as
1:11:59a downloader for you know torrents such
1:12:04as Linux distros and other legal things
1:12:06or you know if I wanted to download some
1:12:09sort of binary from a newsgroup again
1:12:11nothing but legal things then I can do
1:12:13that sort of thing now to be fair all of
1:12:16those can be done on my iMac that is
1:12:18also usually on 24/7 but I do like that
1:12:22there is something off to the side that
1:12:24handles these sorts of things and so I
1:12:27agree with you that that if all you're
1:12:30looking for is a big hard drive there
1:12:32are better ways to solve this problem
1:12:33but in a lot of cases you may want just
1:12:37an absurdly large hard drive which this
1:12:40functions as and and that allows you to
1:12:42treat it as infinite storage because
1:12:43I've done the exact same thing you've
1:12:45done or maybe you want it to actually
1:12:47maybe you want to actually leverage some
1:12:50of the features of this computer that's
1:12:52always on on your network and so there's
1:12:54something to be said for that too oh
1:12:56absolutely and and there are other
1:12:58options for that too so like and and so
1:13:01before before I forget to cover the I
1:13:03scuzzy topic because I want I want to
1:13:05then move on to just attaching disk to a
1:13:07Mac but before I forget to cover eyes
1:13:09Guzzi so for those unfamiliar the way I
1:13:12scuzzy works in an a situation like this
1:13:14is basically the NASS treats a disk
1:13:19partition
1:13:20usually you know it's you say like
1:13:21alright these four just whatever make
1:13:23these into like a raid 5 raid 10 set
1:13:25this is now a nice cozy volume and then
1:13:27you you can see that I scuzzy software
1:13:29called nice cuz the initiator for some
1:13:31reason now to drive her not software and
1:13:33I don't have to call it initiator don't
1:13:34know I don't care please don't email me
1:13:36about that so you get the I scuzzy
1:13:38initiator which is $200 or so on the Mac
1:13:42because it's not built into Mac OS and
1:13:45that allows the Mac to mount that giant
1:13:49block of storage on the NASS as a local
1:13:52disc and it treats it like a local disc
1:13:54the Mac like the application of the Mac
1:13:56I'll see it as a local disc including
1:13:59Backblaze which is why this works and
1:14:00the Mac you actually format this virtual
1:14:03drive at from the max filesystem like
1:14:06you format it as Asian Fest or I hope
1:14:10eventually a PFS and then as far as Max
1:14:13is concerned that's a hard drive put
1:14:15into it they said it happens to be over
1:14:17your network and you know being hosted
1:14:19physically by the NASS this has a number
1:14:22of advantages you know it does allow
1:14:24things like Backblaze to work
1:14:26it also lets the Mac think the drive is
1:14:29native so like if you're only using
1:14:31network shared drives in the regular
1:14:34Nass way where the NASS just opens up
1:14:36shares over NFS or SMB or whatever you
1:14:39know whatever protocols it's using
1:14:41certain things on the Mac don't work
1:14:43very well like because it's a network
1:14:44share so it doesn't auto map for one
1:14:46usually and then it things like
1:14:48spotlight don't work very well like
1:14:50searching a network share doesn't work
1:14:51very well certain applications don't
1:14:53like running on network shares or
1:14:54operating on files on network share
1:14:55stuff like that a nice cozy volume
1:14:57because it is just like dumb block
1:14:59storage over the network there is no
1:15:02sharing of it like only one thing can be
1:15:03connected at a time like that is it's
1:15:05disk the whatever computer is running
1:15:08the initiator like that's that's the one
1:15:09that's using it there's no sharing you
1:15:12can share it from that computer as like
1:15:14a Mac share which I actually do on mine
1:15:16but then all the all the NASA's built in
1:15:19applications if there's like a media
1:15:21server application or plex on the NASA
1:15:23whatever else also all the supplications
1:15:24can't see the data anymore because as
1:15:27far as the NASA concerned this is just a
1:15:28big block of bits it cannot see the
1:15:30filesystem that's the running on it it
1:15:32is not interacting with it at all
1:15:33so it's really a pretty big waste of a
1:15:37NASA's capabilities to use I scuzzy also
1:15:40I scuzzy is fragile you know because
1:15:42you're treating the network like a local
1:15:44disk it must be on a wiry connection if
1:15:47that connection drops for a second it on
1:15:49mats and that could be you know damaging
1:15:52your data whatever else if it comes at
1:15:53the wrong time or whatever else happens
1:15:55and it's certainly inconvenient amounts
1:15:57and in general I don't recommend I
1:16:00scuzzy to anybody because you are
1:16:02wasting the NASA's abilities as an
1:16:04application platform you are needed to
1:16:07have another computer being always on
1:16:09computer on the network you know like in
1:16:11my case it's a Mac Mini and this Mac
1:16:13Mini does a few different things for me
1:16:15and it hosts this giant ice cozy volume
1:16:17off the Synology it's like you're
1:16:20already you're you're already using a
1:16:22computer that's on all the time anyway
1:16:23but using an ass as basically a giant
1:16:25hard drive enclosure which is fine if
1:16:27you already have one but I would never
1:16:30in a million years recommend that
1:16:31anybody who's starting fresh and doesn't
1:16:33already own an ass do this it is a
1:16:35terrible idea
1:16:36and nobody ever should do this alright
1:16:40John you've been very patient I
1:16:42appreciate it
1:16:42tell us your thoughts well I was gonna
1:16:45talk about a alternatives to crash plan
1:16:48but now apparently I have to defend the
1:16:50concept of an ass and also the idea of
1:16:54keeping movies so the the one area I
1:16:59think didn't get mentioned by Marco and
1:17:01one of the main reasons that I used an
1:17:02ass aside from the things Kasey was
1:17:04talking about like having a little
1:17:05computer and all the applications which
1:17:06I do use and enjoy is that you know the
1:17:09hard drives these hard drives are big
1:17:11and cheaper eight terabyte hard drives
1:17:1210 terabyte hard drives or whatever oh
1:17:14that whole discussion was about spinning
1:17:16disks these are all spinning disks
1:17:18they're you know eight terabyte SSDs are
1:17:20not cheap all right right you can buy
1:17:22them not cheap right so these are all
1:17:24spinning discs spinning disks are big
1:17:26noisy and hot I like big cheap storage
1:17:31especially for stuff like movies where
1:17:32it's just sequential reads and stuff
1:17:33like that I do not like spinning discs
1:17:36anywhere near me so I like the idea of a
1:17:40bunch of big cheap hot noisy expensive
1:17:44discs far far away from me for
1:17:46far away means network means the network
1:17:49attached storage so even if I just
1:17:52wanted the cheapest bucket of drives to
1:17:55throw crap into and even if an ass had
1:17:58no applications I would still want an
1:18:00ass just to get those disks far away
1:18:02from me and I would only be using them
1:18:04not for like primary storage but for for
1:18:06very large files that will mostly be
1:18:08read sequentially so I wouldn't put my
1:18:10photo library on an ass don't do that
1:18:12you probably be sad right I wouldn't put
1:18:13my applications there or anything like
1:18:15that but big data files there and of
1:18:19course an ass doesn't just give me a big
1:18:20bucket of stuff it gives me all the
1:18:21other things so that's that's why I
1:18:23think about this law I look at my sin
1:18:24analogy down there something to think
1:18:25about I ripped out all those drives
1:18:26replace them all with 8 terabytes how
1:18:29much space whatever by the way I'm like
1:18:30the two of you I don't know I kind of
1:18:33dunno I know how this happened but I am
1:18:35I have not been using my we have the
1:18:37same amount of store I have not been
1:18:38using my storage frivolously I've been
1:18:41using it carefully after I watch them
1:18:46right like if I ever watch a movie and
1:18:48it was crap immediately you know deleted
1:18:50if I rip a movie but then a new version
1:18:53comes out I delete that and rip the the
1:18:56new version right I have and have been
1:18:59using it frivolously and yet my analogy
1:19:02has been basically on the verge of being
1:19:05full meaning like only a few hundred
1:19:06gigabytes available on various volumes
1:19:08for almost this entire life the main
1:19:12reason is I do Time Machine backups to
1:19:15it if you do it if you have a couple of
1:19:17machines with a terabyte internal hard
1:19:20drives plus some external drives both
1:19:22time machine backing up to your Synology
1:19:24your backups get pretty big pretty fast
1:19:26so I've allocated a chunk of it to for
1:19:28backups for my two Macs right that's two
1:19:32terabytes just for their internal drives
1:19:34plus the three other internal drives
1:19:36there are a Mac Pro and the external
1:19:38drives that are attached to my wife's
1:19:39iMac so that's a couple of terabytes
1:19:41there and I have that on a raid set with
1:19:46some redundancy protection it's not raid
1:19:48zero right so there's more drives being
1:19:50used up so let's slow down slow down
1:19:53slow down you have your time machine
1:19:55volume with raid redundancy yes
1:19:59yes see I I i I'm not gonna say you're
1:20:03wrong there but when I was asking Marco
1:20:06cuz I think Marco had either gotten his
1:20:08Synology before me or maybe just set it
1:20:09up before me
1:20:10I'd ask Marco you know how did you do
1:20:12this and we have eight bay so knowledge
1:20:14ease and and what Marco recommended
1:20:17which I think was a good call was do was
1:20:20it raid zero for two of the physical
1:20:22drives so basically you're making one
1:20:24large hard drive out of two physical
1:20:27hard drives but having absolutely no
1:20:29redundancy and the only thing that goes
1:20:31on that volume is my time machine
1:20:34backups so if I drop one yeah I lose my
1:20:36time machine backups I I cannot tell you
1:20:39the last time I've needed a time machine
1:20:40back up I still use it because I want it
1:20:43to be there but I haven't used one in
1:20:45forever and yes this is where everyone
1:20:48writes us in says Oh raid zero you
1:20:49should never use that blah blah it's
1:20:51just for time machine that's it all so I
1:20:55can follow up that I'm I think I I can't
1:20:58tell from here but I think I actually
1:21:00switched it over to raid one when I
1:21:02upgraded its storage capacity a few
1:21:04years later because but I would also say
1:21:07also like you know it also only makes
1:21:09sense to do raid zero on Time Machine if
1:21:10my machine is not your primary backup
1:21:13you know which for us it isn't like I
1:21:15have a super-duper clone that's local to
1:21:17to the computer it's like a little local
1:21:19SSD that I tape onto the desk and and so
1:21:21like that is my primary backup our main
1:21:23drive time machine is a convenience
1:21:26historical backup only I also have cloud
1:21:28backup look there's the you know we have
1:21:30multiple things so if Time Machine is
1:21:33one of multiple things and you are and
1:21:36you want to not waste too much harddrive
1:21:38space on it that's when I recommend
1:21:41using raid zero if you're gonna do
1:21:42something like this but even today like
1:21:44again like a lot of this made sense back
1:21:46when we were doing it in when we're
1:21:48setting this up like what three years
1:21:49ago but these days with with the hard
1:21:53drive just so big it really removes a
1:21:57lot of the need to use RAID much at all
1:21:59or if you're going to use raid now you
1:22:01can much more often just use RAID one
1:22:03which is just straight mirroring and it
1:22:05the loss of the disk space doesn't
1:22:06really matter as much that's less space
1:22:09efficient than the other raid schemes
1:22:10that let you use more of the space but
1:22:13I'm more inclined to use raid0 I don't
1:22:15do this now but I'd be more inclined to
1:22:16use red zero for my media because media
1:22:18has less churn and there's less versions
1:22:21you know though but absolute Ripper
1:22:22clones - right but super duper z' don't
1:22:24save all versions I want to save as many
1:22:25old versions as possible and if if I had
1:22:29raid zero and one of the disks died I've
1:22:31lost all versions of Time Machine
1:22:33backups for two entire Mac's
1:22:34right now I have other Time Machine
1:22:36backups - anyway I have a little bit
1:22:37understand I have liberties but anyway
1:22:39that that burns a lot of disks and then
1:22:41of course I have my media I don't have a
1:22:43lot a lot of media and I do delete stuff
1:22:46from it but it adds up is I also have
1:22:47stuff in there like every WWDC video
1:22:50that Apple has ever released and the
1:22:51highest definition right that's the
1:22:53perfect thing for that right and it's
1:22:55like are you ever gonna watch it I'm
1:22:57archiving it I can't easily get that
1:22:58stuff again I have lots of crap like
1:23:01that and so that's my analogy basically
1:23:03filled up - anyway I I like it I like
1:23:05having an ass I like those big spinning
1:23:07you know he's far away from me and
1:23:09despite how huge it is I would even want
1:23:12more of it um and like Casey said before
1:23:15that's why I'm using CrashPlan in that
1:23:17Backblaze is because you know on my Mac
1:23:19I use back plays on my wife's Mac I use
1:23:21CrashPlan and on her Mac I mount to this
1:23:25analogy and I have CrashPlan back up the
1:23:28Synology volumes just like any other
1:23:29thing because it doesn't work backups no
1:23:32CrashPlan like back plays it's a flat
1:23:34fee for unlimited data and like Casey I
1:23:37take advantage of that and I have about
1:23:385 terabytes fresh enough to crash plants
1:23:40like you said you know there's many
1:23:42times as you want so I did that's just
1:23:45for Jason snow I probably blew the quote
1:23:47sorry Jason
1:23:48so yeah so it was a great deal right and
1:23:51maybe that's why they're not offering it
1:23:52anymore it was like we can't afford to
1:23:53do that right so I'm in the same
1:23:55situation as Casey where they're their
1:23:57Sun setting and consumer product and I
1:23:59have to figure out what I'm gonna do
1:24:01about it the I forget how much I'm
1:24:05paying for our crash plant per year but
1:24:07it's it's super cheap especially for the
1:24:08amount of data I'm putting on it the
1:24:10offer they have for the small business
1:24:13thing it's least twice as expensive as
1:24:18the consumer one but still only like $10
1:24:20a month per device for people with
1:24:22multiple devices that's a problem but
1:24:24I've only got
1:24:24one device is my wife's Mac that I'm
1:24:26doing that with so I don't mind that
1:24:28much the small business thing will have
1:24:30a link to the CrashPlan fact one of the
1:24:33questions on the fact is can i still
1:24:35move to CrashPlan for small business
1:24:36even if I'm not a small business the
1:24:38answer yes you can anyone can migrate it
1:24:41like other wise it's just called small
1:24:44business you don't have to be a small
1:24:45business although annoyingly they make
1:24:46you enter a company name so I entered
1:24:48some bogus thing or whatever but you do
1:24:50not have to be a small business use a
1:24:52small business and it's $10 per month
1:24:53per device but if you're a current
1:24:56crash-land subscriber there's an apology
1:24:58price for one year this that is 75% off
1:25:02so it's two dollars and fifty cents a
1:25:05month to upload unlimited data to
1:25:10CrashPlan and if you already have a
1:25:11CrashPlan thing you don't have to
1:25:12re-upload your five terabytes it will
1:25:15migrate your existing five terabyte back
1:25:17up and you'll just continue as normal
1:25:19that deal was too good for me to pass up
1:25:21two dollars and fifty cents a month for
1:25:23a year starting at the end of my current
1:25:26subscription that was extended for 60
1:25:27days for unlimited backup yes please
1:25:30right even when it goes into ten dollars
1:25:32a month I might keep paying it just for
1:25:33the convenience I'm pretty sure I'm
1:25:35still running the java application and
1:25:37no it's not the most efficient thing in
1:25:38the world and it fills my disk with big
1:25:40files and takes a lot of memory and does
1:25:42stuff but in general I have enough
1:25:43control to make it lay off when I'm
1:25:44using the computer and only room and I'm
1:25:46not using it and for the most part it's
1:25:48done its job they do they do a you know
1:25:51it does a pretty good job of finding the
1:25:52files and backing them up and I just I
1:25:55just can't beat that pricing right and
1:25:57so after at the end of at the end of
1:26:002018 when my gravy train ends and I have
1:26:04to decide whether I want to start paying
1:26:06$10 a month for my five terabyte backup
1:26:10that I might be like okay that's you
1:26:13know I'll just unsubscribe from Hulu or
1:26:15whatever the hell streaming service that
1:26:16I haven't used to take that money and
1:26:18and put it towards this or I might use
1:26:22one of the alternatives Erie listed but
1:26:23for now the sort of what's the least I
1:26:25can do to not have to think about this
1:26:27problem until the end of 2018 it was do
1:26:30the small business migration a lot of
1:26:32people are mad at crash plan like oh I'm
1:26:34never giving my business blah blah they
1:26:36should have handled the transition
1:26:37better
1:26:38arguably the 60-day extension could have
1:26:40been like a one-year extension or
1:26:42whatever but there's no real easy way to
1:26:44do this
1:26:45I made a plea to Backblaze which I you
1:26:47know use enjoy but that doesn't do
1:26:49Network volumes on Twitter which is
1:26:51where you where you interact with brands
1:26:52in case you didn't know you were sorry
1:26:54were you engaged with brands I engaged
1:26:57with the brand on Twitter and I said hey
1:26:59I would love it if you could backup
1:27:02Network shares and the disembodied voice
1:27:04of Backblaze the corporation said on
1:27:06Twitter unfortunately they left out a
1:27:09comma our business model would need a
1:27:11lot of reworking for us to offer Nass
1:27:13slash server for a fixed rate so it
1:27:15basically is any like we don't you know
1:27:17and well I'd said that you know so
1:27:19obviously they can't they would need to
1:27:22figure out how they can pay for that I
1:27:23said well you don't need to do what
1:27:25CrashPlan did which is whatever the
1:27:26thing was like sixty dollars a year for
1:27:28unlimited all you need to do is match
1:27:30CrashPlan small business because
1:27:32crash-land for home is gone you don't
1:27:33have to match their price anymore like
1:27:35apparently that was an unsustainable
1:27:36model right presumably CrashPlan for
1:27:39small business is a sustainable model at
1:27:41ten dollars per month per device so I
1:27:44would love it if Backblaze did that even
1:27:47they put a lemon ought they said like
1:27:48like you know five terabytes for ten
1:27:51dollars a month per device including
1:27:54Network things you know like I would I
1:27:57would try that right so I don't know
1:27:58what they're gonna do there I think b2
1:28:00is their preferred solution for that
1:28:02which is not really a service it's it's
1:28:05a play on s3 it's just like a storage
1:28:06back-end but it has I think the cheapest
1:28:11rates let me look at had their pricing
1:28:13page up anyone else yeah I'm pretty sure
1:28:14it's the cheapest like large online
1:28:16block storage thing yeah so it's a point
1:28:19zero zero five cents per gigabyte per
1:28:22month for storage and point zero two
1:28:24I sign in front sorry I was gonna say my
1:28:32calculations are on half a cent for
1:28:36storage and two cents per gigabyte for a
1:28:39download and then it is less than s3 and
1:28:42Azure and Google Cloud which are the
1:28:43ones they put in a they also have a
1:28:44price calculator at the bottom or you
1:28:46could say here's what my initial upload
1:28:48is here's one monthly upload is here's
1:28:49my monthly deleted my monthly down
1:28:51load and it will price it out for you
1:28:53and it's not that bad but for my data
1:28:55for reasonable values that comes out of
1:28:57like twenty or thirty dollars a month
1:28:58but that's still three times but ten
1:29:00dollars a month is but that's just
1:29:02storage and Synology can backup directly
1:29:04to be two so I could do that
1:29:06but want to asked on Twitter as soon as
1:29:09this announcement was made okay what's
1:29:10everybody's favorite thing that will
1:29:13backup a Mac including an ass and in
1:29:15that tweet just save my try to save
1:29:17myself though it didn't work but tried
1:29:19to save myself a little time I said
1:29:20what's the best thing that on the Mac
1:29:22that backs up to an ass the backs up
1:29:25Network at that drives is it Ark or is
1:29:28it something else because I knew
1:29:29everyone know about Ark and I wanted to
1:29:32preempt them by saying yes I'm aware of
1:29:35Ark I'm checking in with everybody to
1:29:37see is there something else out there
1:29:38that's better and some people did get
1:29:40alternate suggestions that I looked at
1:29:41but then a thousand people are bought
1:29:42you try Ark anyway Ark a Mac application
1:29:46a third-party Mac application that will
1:29:49backup your Mac it's been it's been in
1:29:51development for a long time now and it's
1:29:53sort of novel thing is that you choose
1:29:56and pay for whatever storage back-end
1:29:58you want so if you want to pay for
1:30:00Amazon glacier or Amazon Drive or s3 or
1:30:04B to Ark will backup to any of them mark
1:30:07as a backup program it just says just
1:30:08point me at your place where you want me
1:30:12to put the data and it will put its data
1:30:13there and its format or whatever it does
1:30:15blah blah but you have to choose the
1:30:17storage thing and you pay for the
1:30:19storage thing so and you could change
1:30:22like you could you know stop paying for
1:30:24b2 and switch to Amazon drive or
1:30:26something presumably you have to you
1:30:27know transfer your backup over there or
1:30:28whatever so it's a nice divorce from the
1:30:31backup program and the storage back-end
1:30:33and a lot of people use that and they
1:30:35enjoy them they've been successful with
1:30:37it but given these storage back-end
1:30:39pricing
1:30:39none of these come close to matching
1:30:41CrashPlan splicing pricing or bad places
1:30:43pricing for that matter if you're not
1:30:44doing network attached storage so it
1:30:47seems like Ark is sort of the power user
1:30:49fancy thing where you get to pick the
1:30:51components and assemble it but if you
1:30:53have a huge amount of data like I do it
1:30:56just can't match the price of one of
1:30:57these all-you-can-eat things and all
1:30:59that you can meet things I'm being
1:31:00subsidized by people who backup like 100
1:31:02Meg's right that's how they can be so
1:31:03cheapest because
1:31:04I'm paying the same amount per month for
1:31:06back blazer for CrashPlan as somebody
1:31:08who backs up like their 100 megabyte
1:31:10little folder of stuff right and so
1:31:12that's how I happens on him you know
1:31:15that's how these services can afford to
1:31:16give you the flower right because most
1:31:17people don't upload 5 terabytes it's
1:31:20just the stinkers like me and Casey that
1:31:22are for everybody else right but but you
1:31:24know that's how they have to figure out
1:31:26they're sort of you know histogram of
1:31:28how much people upload and make all the
1:31:30math work out whereas things like s3 and
1:31:33b2 where they're just selling you
1:31:34storage they just charge you for the
1:31:36storage like it's all you know it's all
1:31:37completely chunked out it's like well
1:31:39we're just a storage back-end and you
1:31:41don't get the - you don't get the past
1:31:43less for your storage just because
1:31:45someone else store is a little bit less
1:31:47than our thing it's it's a exactly
1:31:49dollars per gigabyte very granular
1:31:52service that doesn't care what you're
1:31:53doing with the storage you just pay for
1:31:54what you use and plus the paying for
1:31:57transfers is another thing that really
1:31:58it really bites you to paying on how
1:31:59much transfers you do so that was my
1:32:04choice for now is it basically I'm
1:32:05punting it down the road I'm gonna
1:32:07continue using CrashPlan for as long as
1:32:09I can also because I don't want to
1:32:11upload five terabytes anyplace else
1:32:12again I mean I have a fast connection
1:32:14but that would take a long time and
1:32:16during that time I would have no cloud
1:32:18backups of my thingies now to get back
1:32:20to Marco's point about not backing up
1:32:22not even having stuff on there in the
1:32:24first place for like ripped movies that
1:32:26you're never going to watch and others
1:32:28big stuff like that you could just you
1:32:30know pay five dollars to get it online
1:32:32or streaming from Netflix or whatever
1:32:34that only works for the people who
1:32:37aren't using an ass like Casey was just
1:32:39subscribing where there or like I have
1:32:41tried to do but I had to bail on and may
1:32:44try again ripping blu-rays without
1:32:47recompressing them right because there
1:32:50is nothing i'm recompressing them mo
1:32:52your complete animal like you are all
1:32:54right well anyway a lot of people rip
1:32:56them and don't recompress them just so
1:32:57they don't have to deal with blu-ray
1:32:58discs which as has been established in
1:32:59the show are terrible right so you just
1:33:01get rid of everything except the movie
1:33:02the actual movie file you hit play and
1:33:04it starts playing the movie right that
1:33:06actually is not a bad idea at all yeah
1:33:08but the thing is they're humongous and
1:33:11you know even if you watch them rarely
1:33:13is that always easy just to buy it on
1:33:15iTunes you can't get a
1:33:17you know a 4k you know if you have a 4k
1:33:20blu-ray thing UHD blu-ray and you rip
1:33:23that losslessly there is nothing you can
1:33:25get online streaming that can match that
1:33:27quality there's just nothing it's not
1:33:28even close even like 4k Netflix is just
1:33:30so massively compressed compared to
1:33:31where you get off of that plastic disc
1:33:33so if you care about that and you have
1:33:35some giant Nass somewhere with all these
1:33:3750 to 100 gigabyte rips of these things
1:33:40right there is no like oh I'll just get
1:33:43it online if you don't care about that
1:33:44well then why are you ripping a bunch of
1:33:45movies to you know I guess to get rid of
1:33:47the menus whatever but then the marcoh
1:33:49system starts to look better and better
1:33:50the less you care about the quality of
1:33:52your stuff right I'm kind of in the
1:33:54middle where I do care about it I didn't
1:33:56have any way to play things like that on
1:33:57there so sometimes I have like versions
1:34:02of things for kids on there with like
1:34:04English dubs and other more rare
1:34:07material sometimes I transferred things
1:34:09from my TiVo to there to free up space
1:34:11on my Tivo which is terrible because the
1:34:13compression is anyway it's better you
1:34:16don't do that it's dumb but it has
1:34:18happened so there's a lot of churn in it
1:34:21but it's not always the case that you
1:34:24can orbit something like home movies
1:34:26like I have all of my Omaha movies taken
1:34:29with my camcorder because I'm old and my
1:34:31kids are old now and my camcorder right
1:34:34I need to get that video off of the
1:34:37camcorders DV at least analog off of the
1:34:40camcorder and someplace else it's all
1:34:42ripped to the Synology then all gets
1:34:44backed up so if I had to do sort of like
1:34:46a trimming and say you can't back up 5
1:34:48terabytes anymore deal with it I would
1:34:52try to stop backing up all of my media
1:34:54that is replaceable but I would still
1:34:57backup like all my Apple videos I would
1:35:00still backup all my kids videos and
1:35:03stuff like that and that's probably like
1:35:05half of the stuff because I don't have
1:35:06that many movies I mean I think I've
1:35:08shared my plex thing with with both of
1:35:10you guys like there's not that many
1:35:12movies in there like my my movie
1:35:13collection is mostly on shelves on
1:35:15plastic discs and I still take them out
1:35:16of the containers and put them in I just
1:35:18did it this weekend I took a thing out
1:35:20of a plastic out of case and put it into
1:35:22a slot and watched a movie it's a thing
1:35:24I still do it was a blu-ray it was
1:35:28criterion collection and it was look
1:35:30really good
1:35:31not 4k though but soon like Parker said
1:35:34I'll have to be getting the 4k versions
1:35:36of all of my favorite movies we're just
1:35:37fine I'm fine with it but anyway um yeah
1:35:43so CrashPlan sad don't pooh-pooh the
1:35:46small business thing take a look at it
1:35:47Ark seems to be the consensus for the
1:35:49things that you might want to try and if
1:35:51you don't have network attached discs
1:35:52back place
1:35:53I think you've convinced me that I
1:35:55should just bite the bullet and move to
1:35:58small business because that is
1:35:59definitely the price performer I didn't
1:36:02use tweet earlier Casey but there was a
1:36:04five terabyte limit on it no I don't
1:36:06think so
1:36:07I checked it's unlimited ok so then if
1:36:09it's basically the same thing you were
1:36:11getting before just now it's gonna be
1:36:13ten bucks a month after the apology
1:36:14period instead of five that's you know
1:36:16yeah bite the bullet that's still a
1:36:18pretty good deal for unlimited space
1:36:20with network volumes like that glaze
1:36:22beats it by I think about half if for a
1:36:25local file but for net to include
1:36:27Network files in that that's yeah just
1:36:30just pay it that's fine like they're
1:36:32they're really showing you a price hike
1:36:35here but that's totally fine you know
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1:38:13wanted to I wanted to close my topic
1:38:15hopefully this topic with the other
1:38:18option which is if I were starting over
1:38:21today how would I do it cuz the only
1:38:23reason I have I scuzzy have mine ass now
1:38:25is because I already had an ass full of
1:38:27big disks and I'm like well I already
1:38:29have all the hardware might as well use
1:38:30it what I would do today if I was
1:38:32starting fresh I already have a Mac Mini
1:38:35server in my home I would just get a
1:38:38small number probably either 2 or 4 8
1:38:42terabyte or 10 terabyte disks put them
1:38:45into very basic enclosures that have
1:38:47pretty much no intelligence to them
1:38:48whatsoever and plug them into the Mac
1:38:50Mini and have it be you know in in the
1:38:54you know basement or garage or whatever
1:38:55else so the noise isn't pod mirror just
1:38:57in the closet and just run either no
1:39:00raid whatsoever or the built-in Mac OS
1:39:0310 raid or there's an app called soft
1:39:05raid that is almost certainly the best
1:39:08option for any kind of advanced use as
1:39:10software raid on the Mac it's kind of
1:39:13expensive it's a hundred and eighty
1:39:14bucks for the full woman raid five or if
1:39:17you just need raid one or zero it's
1:39:19fifty bucks
1:39:19and again these days like you can get an
1:39:22eight you can get two eight terabyte
1:39:24drives for total of 600 bucks you get
1:39:28software soft raid live Edition for 50
1:39:31bucks
1:39:31split min raid one and you have really
1:39:34safe 8 terabytes of storage for under a
1:39:37thousand dollars yeah you just build the
1:39:39Mac OS nasty realize so here's so
1:39:43basically here's where this benefits
1:39:45well the downside I think is obvious
1:39:48that you know you have to then run on a
1:39:49Mac OS you won't get some of the
1:39:52advanced rave features most NASA's these
1:39:54days including this analogies we have
1:39:56have some kind of system to
1:39:58automatically expand or at least
1:40:00somewhat gracefully expand capacity down
1:40:02the road without having to blow away
1:40:04your whole volume this is a system
1:40:06similar to what Drobo has offered for
1:40:08years Gerber made a famous but Drobo is
1:40:10terrible nobody should ever used robos
1:40:12they are incredibly unreliable if you
1:40:14ask around you will see so many horror
1:40:17stories from people who have trusted
1:40:18Robo and have had that trust be violated
1:40:21so I would not recommend Robo and and
1:40:23you know so other NASA's offer features
1:40:25like that where you can expand volumes
1:40:28over time by like replacing a small hard
1:40:30drive for the big one and then letting
1:40:31the thing rebuild and then eventually
1:40:33you can replace another the next drive
1:40:34with another big one let that rebuild
1:40:36and everything it's a slow process but
1:40:38it does indeed work you can't do that
1:40:41with I scuzzy
1:40:41unfortunately because it you know just
1:40:43has to be that one big block and can't
1:40:45resize a file system that doesn't know
1:40:47about you also as far as I know can't do
1:40:50that if you do a direct attached Mac
1:40:52method like what I'm what I'm saying
1:40:53here if like just get some drives plug
1:40:55it into a Mac as far as I know you can't
1:40:57do that in any way on the Mac that's at
1:40:59all reasonable except if you use the
1:41:01Drobo which again you should not do
1:41:03other than that other than losing
1:41:05dynamic expansion though a lot of the
1:41:07other stuff I actually find to either be
1:41:09a wash on the Mac or to be better so
1:41:11software wise if you think about like
1:41:13all the stuff case you know you've run
1:41:14on your Synology you run plex you run a
1:41:17VPN server you run the photo hosting
1:41:20it's like I honestly don't know what VPN
1:41:22server options exist for mac OS but I'm
1:41:24sure they exist oh definitely you can
1:41:27definitely run plex because I do and so
1:41:29I know I know that works it's even
1:41:31better because you have more processing
1:41:33power right right to quickly interrupt
1:41:35and to be absolutely clear the
1:41:36particular Nass that we have it is not
1:41:39powerful enough to be the Plex host so
1:41:43really my plex host is the iMac it's
1:41:46simply serving the content off of the
1:41:49Synology so I used my Synology as my
1:41:53primary plex server only when I had in
1:41:55the rare case where I can't transcode I
1:41:57switched to the iMac flex server so you
1:42:00know this is an aside that I wouldn't
1:42:02have interrupted had I realized we were
1:42:03going down since we've since I've
1:42:05interrupted here we are
1:42:07what I noticed was when I first started
1:42:09using the the Synology with Plex being
1:42:13served on the Synology it could not keep
1:42:16up with the media I was looking at at
1:42:18the time however I have been extremely
1:42:21diligent for literally years that
1:42:24anytime I add something to the Synology
1:42:27I make sure I convert it to mp4 so
1:42:30hopefully it can send that natively to
1:42:33whatever apple-based client I am viewing
1:42:36it upon and it's rare I use anything to
1:42:38look at plex other than an iPad or an
1:42:40Apple TV or something like that
1:42:42so I wonder if it actually isn't that
1:42:44bad if long as I'm not doing like an MKV
1:42:47or something like that which sometimes
1:42:48is already in h.264 anyway but I guess
1:42:52that's a roundabout way of saying I
1:42:54should probably try that again
1:42:55but and mess with the settings like go
1:42:57to original quality so it allows it to
1:42:59do with not transcoding it doesn't have
1:43:01to be m4v or mp4 it can be MKV like I've
1:43:04had a lot of success but obviously h.265
1:43:07forget it like if anything thanks to 6/5
1:43:09I worry that my Mac it's not gonna be
1:43:12able to do it until you know high sierra
1:43:14or whatever but this analogy can't do it
1:43:15prefer I just like it's my go-to think
1:43:18that's this when I have the big choice
1:43:19of which you know Plex thing do you want
1:43:21to pick Synology is the one I pick only
1:43:23after I try it first and it fails
1:43:25actually if I try it first and it fails
1:43:26the next thing I usually try is infuse
1:43:28on my Apple TV where it does the
1:43:30supposedly does the decoding on the
1:43:32Apple TV's CPU yeah yeah and then my
1:43:35third choice is Plex and well so the
1:43:40reason I brought all this up and I'm
1:43:41sorry for interrupting market but the
1:43:42reason I brought this up is to say
1:43:43you're right that the that I'm using my
1:43:46iMac to serve Plex and and that's
1:43:49basically what you're talking about
1:43:51doing as well yeah exactly like you know
1:43:53if you have like basically a headless
1:43:55Mac that is running as a server in your
1:43:58house and it doesn't have to be a Mac
1:44:00Mini it can be just like an old laptop
1:44:02or something you know it can be anything
1:44:04I think it's important though that it
1:44:06you know that it's serving literally a
1:44:08server role that it is not used for
1:44:10anything else and you then you can like
1:44:11you know you can put it somewhere so
1:44:13it's out of the way so you don't have to
1:44:14deal with harddrive noise like what John
1:44:16hates if you don't like the folks with
1:44:18hard drives and you can dedicate
1:44:21- rolls so like you know not only can
1:44:23you do things like we were talking about
1:44:25plexus stuff you can also do things that
1:44:27are exclusive to Apple platforms like I
1:44:29mentioned last week how or two weeks ago
1:44:31that I actually have my server Mac Mini
1:44:35logged into iCloud photos and the Photos
1:44:38app downloads originals to that Mac Mini
1:44:40and then back lays backs up those
1:44:43originals from that Mac Mini even though
1:44:45in addition to the ones that I have my
1:44:46main computer because that's one more
1:44:48place you can have your originals and
1:44:49then maybe you can have a laptop that
1:44:52doesn't have a hard drive big enough to
1:44:54store your originals but you know you
1:44:55have your originals on this other
1:44:57computer in your house that is being
1:44:58backed up to a cloud backup service also
1:45:01because it's a Mac you can use any of
1:45:03the cloud backup services you can use
1:45:05Ark you can use back plays you can use
1:45:07CrashPlan anything else if it runs on
1:45:10the Mac you can run on this unlike you
1:45:12know on an ass you're limited to
1:45:14whatever handful of services have
1:45:16clients for that Nass but on a Mac it's
1:45:19you can use any of them
1:45:20right and you can also do things you
1:45:22know you can do Network Time Machine you
1:45:23know again - but you can do things like
1:45:26Xcode bots that Nasus can't do you can
1:45:30run other Mac software like I have a
1:45:31fujitsu scansnap scanner and the
1:45:34scansnap software is hideous and
1:45:37requires the ugliest icon I've ever seen
1:45:39to be running on your talk all the time
1:45:40so I have run them on the Mac Mini so I
1:45:42don't have to have my main computer but
1:45:44you can also you know there's also
1:45:46occasional other server things that some
1:45:48people need in their house you know
1:45:49media related things development related
1:45:51things I've run my you bik wa t unify
1:45:54controller app on there you know just
1:45:57like stuff that you have to run on a Mac
1:45:59all the time for some reason for your
1:46:00home having a Mac server is this isn't
1:46:04for everybody of course you know that
1:46:06it's I would say it's a luxury but
1:46:09compared to an ass I think just a Mac
1:46:12server with a small number of giant hard
1:46:16drives plugged into it is actually more
1:46:18competitive today for what most people
1:46:21need than getting something getting some
1:46:23big NASA like a Synology the only other
1:46:26thing I will add to this is I would say
1:46:28if you run a Mac Mini headless which
1:46:32means with no display put into it you
1:46:33have probably
1:46:35weird little issues with the video
1:46:36weather it doesn't wake from sleep
1:46:38screen-sharing doesn't come up right or
1:46:40it comes up all black or the performance
1:46:42just sucks
1:46:43OS 10 does weird things when when
1:46:45there's no display plugged in Amazon you
1:46:49can get a $10 HDMI display emulator it's
1:46:54a little black dongle that plugs into
1:46:56the HDMI port on the back of a Mac Mini
1:46:58or set the side of any old laptop and it
1:47:01emulates a display which is a couple of
1:47:03resistors inside that's what I caught
1:47:04it's ten dollars a little plug thing it
1:47:07makes the Mac think that a 4k display is
1:47:10connected to it
1:47:11so it will run at 4k resolution through
1:47:13the you know screen sharing thing that
1:47:16you're using or any resolution between
1:47:17you know 0 and 4k and it fixes all those
1:47:21problems it wakes from sleep immediately
1:47:23with like any kind of screen sharing
1:47:25it's fast the animations are all smooth
1:47:27it it makes it rock solid I ran a Mac
1:47:30Mini headless for a few years for that
1:47:32one of these then I learn about this and
1:47:34got one it makes a massive difference I
1:47:36highly recommend anybody running a Mac
1:47:38Mini headless going Amazon get this here
1:47:41we'll put link in the show notes it is
1:47:43called the Compu lab 4k display emulator
1:47:45it's 10 bucks it completely changes
1:47:49running a Mac Mini headless so sad times
1:47:52with CrashPlan but it sounds like we
1:47:55might have a solution and the solution
1:47:57is more crash times the crash but the
1:48:01solution is pay them more money pay them
1:48:05less money is actually half the price
1:48:07you are paying for for the next year
1:48:08yeah 250 a month can't be 250 my friend
1:48:11limited backup with me yeah that's tough
1:48:13so they got a whole year grace period to
1:48:16evaluate our can decide what you're
1:48:18doing and so on and so forth that's why
1:48:20by the way for you mentioned Markova
1:48:22like things that you care the most about
1:48:24like do you should be backing up your
1:48:25photo is way more carefully than you're
1:48:27backing up like your ripped movies and
1:48:29stuff like that and I totally am and
1:48:30that's why I like having and paying for
1:48:34all these other things that aren't
1:48:36technically backup things like paying
1:48:37for a terabyte of google drive space and
1:48:40using the Google backup app to backup my
1:48:43photos like it's not it doesn't think
1:48:46it's backing them up and thinks oh
1:48:47you're using Google photos look
1:48:48have like 90,000 photos in google photos
1:48:50you must be using it's like no I'm using
1:48:51you as a backup that you were just
1:48:53another backup of just my photos right
1:48:55and you don't know you're another backup
1:48:57and I like it that way and you have
1:49:00redundant copies of pictures and you
1:49:01somehow slurp down the edits of my
1:49:03photos in addition to the originals like
1:49:04I don't care like your purpose is to be
1:49:06one more backup and you know a terabyte
1:49:09of Google Drive space is more expensive
1:49:13than I'm paying for crash plaintiff is
1:49:14just like you know ecosystem variety
1:49:18don't rely on one thing don't rely on
1:49:20one company on one service on one
1:49:22technique on one kind of backup even got
1:49:25incremental backups that clone backup so
1:49:28you got I don't even know I'm a backup
1:49:29all I do know is I'm getting a bunch of
1:49:30photos uploaded to me backups that's
1:49:32what you need and you know all the other
1:49:34hard drive backups and time machine and
1:49:36everything else that that's what helps
1:49:38me sleep at night with my backups is
1:49:40having a lot of them and having them all
1:49:41be very different in both corporation
1:49:43and even type and so CrashPlan not being
1:49:47perfect in being weird and having
1:49:49problems I'm able to deal with that
1:49:51because it's like oh I wasn't crash -
1:49:52not my only off-site backup of the
1:49:54things I care about most in the world
1:49:55not by a long shot
1:49:57like I've got you know photos in the
1:49:58cloud from Apple as well so my photos
1:50:00are in three cloud locations three and a
1:50:03half because I do backup some of them
1:50:05from my Mac with back plays - but anyway
1:50:07I'm hoping that my drive sizes will get
1:50:11bumped up and I guess that will probably
1:50:13cause me to pay even more for cloud
1:50:15storage but as you know as the spring
1:50:20hard drive prices and come down SSD
1:50:21prices have come down you can get to
1:50:23terabyte as is these for about the same
1:50:25prices I got my one terabyte SSD so
1:50:27things are going in the right direction
1:50:28I'm just hoping cloud storage starts
1:50:31dropping as well because I don't want my
1:50:33hard drives to be creeping up but cloud
1:50:34storage to be about the same price for
1:50:35the next five years cuz that will make
1:50:37me sad also my one final tip do not use
1:50:41Amazon glacier for anything it is awful
1:50:43even with arc architrave tries it's best
1:50:46it puts in a valiant effort but Amazon
1:50:49glacier is the worst do not use it if
1:50:50you need really cheap storage use back
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1:52:04all right
1:52:06Marco tell me about your home security
1:52:08experiences of late a lot of bike
1:52:10thieves are stalking his house these
1:52:11days
1:52:13gets a new bike every day this is a
1:52:15honey pot for bike thieves well if you
1:52:21would have asked me before I had this
1:52:23experience which company is best at AI
1:52:27type problems you know I would have said
1:52:29you know Apple is not so good or day I
1:52:31type problems you know and Google is the
1:52:33best right or something like that you
1:52:35probably Google to be the best this is a
1:52:37turn out Logitech is the best we were
1:52:39you know we were leaving our home for an
1:52:41extended time and we had the bright idea
1:52:43you know what let's put up some security
1:52:46cameras so that we can see if anybody
1:52:49breaks into our house or whatever or we
1:52:51could just check on things make sure
1:52:52that like you know see if there's like a
1:52:54tree branch that lands in our front yard
1:52:57or anything weird like that
1:52:58let's just put up so a couple of cameras
1:53:00and give us peace of mind while we are
1:53:03away for a while I did some research and
1:53:07and it did appear from my research and
1:53:10the world of home security cameras or
1:53:15just yeah just video home video cameras
1:53:17or security cameras at all it leads into
1:53:20this community of ultra paranoid crazy
1:53:23gun people pretty quickly neat so this
1:53:26is a world that I have avoided for some
1:53:28time because it just it starts getting
1:53:31into this weird like paranoia community
1:53:33of craziness that I don't respond well
1:53:37to or want to be a part of I'm sorry I
1:53:39didn't want something that was going to
1:53:40be like too crazy too complicated you
1:53:44know I could I could host things myself
1:53:47in my own house using my craziness and
1:53:50have IP cameras that recorded to it
1:53:52using all sorts of crazy hideous
1:53:55software packages that can do this thing
1:53:57for you or you can just you know buy one
1:54:01of the cameras that comes with some kind
1:54:03of online retainer retain service for
1:54:07the archive that's basically streams all
1:54:08the video to their web hosting thing and
1:54:11you pay per month to have like
1:54:12a certain amount of retention of video
1:54:14there like you know ten days or a week
1:54:15or whatever else and it pretty much led
1:54:18me to the best ones were the nest cams
1:54:22formerly the drop cams now its nest cam
1:54:24which is owned by Google or alphabet I
1:54:27don't even can't even keep track anymore
1:54:28but who cares don't buy Google and nest
1:54:31cams advertise of his wonderful features
1:54:32like being able to recognize people in
1:54:34the frame and be able to like only alert
1:54:37you when it sees a person in the frame
1:54:39and not just like a leaf blowing by or a
1:54:41moth or something and and you know and
1:54:43in addition to all the AI stuff everyone
1:54:45pretty much agreed that the nest camera
1:54:46has had the best video quality of pretty
1:54:48much anything out there and they could
1:54:50see better in the dark and stuff like
1:54:51that so I thought okay if the only
1:54:54downside of the nest cams seems to be
1:54:56the cost well I'll pay more upfront for
1:54:59something good if it really is better so
1:55:01let's give them a try so I got two of
1:55:04the advanced ones for inside the new
1:55:05crazy IQ ones where the first review is
1:55:08Merlyn telling you that you can't rotate
1:55:09the image and I completely agree with
1:55:10him by the way that is BS and then I got
1:55:13two of the regular outdoor nest cam
1:55:15outdoor ones four for the outdoor the
1:55:17outside you don't know you don't know
1:55:19this yet but on an upcoming rekt if I
1:55:21talk about my purchase of the self-same
1:55:23Nest IQ camera oh yeah I argue with
1:55:27Merlin about his review of it so I won't
1:55:29go over it all here but anyway I
1:55:30actually have one of these as well
1:55:32okay I cannot believe how incredibly
1:55:37crappy these cameras are the picture
1:55:39quality is not great I can't believe
1:55:42this is the best that we can do every
1:55:44phone in the world it could does better
1:55:46than these cameras for video quality so
1:55:47I can't believe that this is what the
1:55:49best we can do the online streaming of
1:55:51these videos from Google like from nest
1:55:54this is a Google company the online
1:55:56streaming is laggy and crappy beyond the
1:55:59interface to browsing the videos is
1:56:02horrendously clunky and crappy you're
1:56:04talking about it from the from the web
1:56:06or from the app both they're both there
1:56:08harness and clunky in different ways but
1:56:11they're both horrendous and clunky the
1:56:13eeeh the ATLA in a typical nest you know
1:56:15the I've had nest thermostats for a
1:56:17while it's one of the reasons I decide
1:56:18to do this as well I already have a nest
1:56:20account I already have nest devices I
1:56:22already have the nest app set up on my
1:56:24phone in my wife's phone so it
1:56:26be trivial to add this and then I don't
1:56:28have to deal with anyone else's crappy
1:56:30apps I at least you know you know the
1:56:31devil you know you know getting all set
1:56:34up you know it was it was fine you know
1:56:37I was disappointed but by all this all
1:56:39the quality the ass and everything then
1:56:41it came time for them to actually do
1:56:42their do their job and alert me when
1:56:44they saw people in certain spots in the
1:56:47frame these things are the stupidest
1:56:49things I've ever seen
1:56:50there have been apps for the Mac forever
1:56:53that like you can use the built-in it
1:56:55webcam on the Mac to do similar things
1:56:56like this did be like a little security
1:56:58camera and stuff I'm pretty sure those
1:57:00apps that I use like 10 years ago to try
1:57:02that out we're better at more advanced
1:57:04than Google with their advanced AI and
1:57:06everything and nest it is so crappy at
1:57:08trying to recognize what is a person and
1:57:10what isn't even with their highest end
1:57:12camera even with their highest and i q--
1:57:15service that you're paying every month
1:57:17for their terrible it thinks everything
1:57:21is a person I guess no one a Google
1:57:23tested the fact that maybe Sun might be
1:57:25in the frame sometimes like maybe you
1:57:27might have windows that lets some Sun in
1:57:29and so throughout the day the pattern of
1:57:32light on the floor will slowly move that
1:57:34they think is a person every time they
1:57:37think no motion at all as a person I
1:57:40have one that includes the view of the
1:57:43street in front of my house in the
1:57:44corner of the frame every single time a
1:57:47car passes by it says you're in front
1:57:50yard camera thinks a saw a person they
1:57:52are horrendous
1:57:53it is totally useless because I have to
1:57:57turn down all the alert thresholds
1:57:59because everything it sees every bit of
1:58:01motion every leaf that blows by every
1:58:04time the Sun slightly moves as it does
1:58:06every day every single thing it sees it
1:58:09thinks is a person I am stunned at how
1:58:12bad these are and I can't like I
1:58:15expected so much more from Google
1:58:17because they are supposed to be good at
1:58:19this stuff they're supposed to be like
1:58:20the leaders of the world in image
1:58:23recognition and intelligence in these
1:58:25kinds of ways and the fact that it works
1:58:27so horrendously you and I I'll even help
1:58:30it out I'd be like all right fine I
1:58:31don't care
1:58:32if there's a person in my front yard
1:58:34we'll leave that alone how about just
1:58:35tell me if there's a person on my front
1:58:36porch
1:58:37here's a little rectangle I'll draw I'll
1:58:38draw you the pork you can tell where it
1:58:40is tell me if you see a person in this
1:58:42area nope still everytime like you know
1:58:45a leaf blows by oh we think we saw a
1:58:47person you know the Sun moves here's a
1:58:49person nope nope it's never a person I I
1:58:53give Apple a full credit now I thought
1:58:55all these years Apple needs to catch up
1:58:57to Google with image recognition turns
1:58:59out Google image recognition is total
1:59:02garbage
1:59:03and I now apologized to Apple for ever
1:59:07insulting their efforts because my god
1:59:09the rest of the industry is no better
1:59:14fault there but anyway I have the same
1:59:16thing and my expectations were much
1:59:18lower than yours I think cuz I assumed
1:59:20all these security cameras were crap and
1:59:22I was pleasantly surprised mine detected
1:59:25all the faces and I went through the app
1:59:27and told them all the faces that I
1:59:28recognized and it never alerts me again
1:59:31about interfaces that it already knows
1:59:32it tells me when there is a legit person
1:59:36or legit motion which is my dog that's
1:59:37why I have the camera I'm watching my
1:59:38dog during the day it has never sent me
1:59:42a false alert at all now granted it's
1:59:44pointed an internal room and not at a
1:59:47window but the Sun does move and the Sun
1:59:49does move across the room during the
1:59:50time like I agree with you the image
1:59:53quality is not great but people say that
1:59:54this is the best of the security cameras
1:59:56whatever but the fact that I can have it
1:59:59on and
1:59:59on and
2:00:00but not send me alerts when anybody in
2:00:02my family walks through the room but do
2:00:03send me alert like when the dog walker
2:00:05walks in the room because I haven't ad
2:00:06the dog walkers face that's exactly what
2:00:08I want it for and it does it exactly as
2:00:10advertised I've gotten no false alarms
2:00:13then maybe it's missing the the cat
2:00:15burglars that are coming into my house
2:00:16and and it's doing a crappy job there
2:00:18and obviously the apps aren't great and
2:00:20I wish they had more control especially
2:00:22as scheduling interacts with the
2:00:24geofence alerting but the geofence
2:00:26alerting works to when I leave the house
2:00:28with my phone it automatically turns the
2:00:30camera on because I'm away like I was
2:00:32pleasantly surprised as I expected the
2:00:34worst because you read all overviews of
2:00:35all these things they're all terrible
2:00:36and I was pleasantly surprised that the
2:00:38IQ features that I thought were probably
2:00:40gonna be stupid actually make the thing
2:00:42useful for me now I don't have it
2:00:43pointed outside where there's a lot more
2:00:44motion and I'm not trying to look for
2:00:47like people on my porch I'm just
2:00:48pointing it at my dog during the day so
2:00:50it is a more limited use case but for
2:00:52that limited use case I think it's fine
2:00:54it's overpriced and you're right about
2:00:56the camera being not as good as it
2:00:57should be for that price but it's it's
2:01:00doing the job I wanted to do so I'm a
2:01:03little surprised Marco that you didn't
2:01:05dive into the world of I think it's IP
2:01:08cameras I don't know if it's the right
2:01:10terminology but my dad he has a
2:01:14different Synology a much smaller one I
2:01:16think it's a 2-14 play if I'm not
2:01:19mistaken well anyways he wanted to have
2:01:21a view of his driveway because there's
2:01:25not a lot of windows in the house that
2:01:27can show him the view of the driveway
2:01:28and so he put in an IP camera of some
2:01:31designation I'm not entirely clear what
2:01:33it was and wired Ethernet from that
2:01:36camera through the house which
2:01:38admittedly suppe no I'm not trying to
2:01:40just fluff over that but he wired it
2:01:42into a Power over Ethernet hub or switch
2:01:44or whatever again I'm talking a little
2:01:46outside my comfort zone here and then
2:01:48when subtly bringing this back around it
2:01:51is now that that camera is plugged into
2:01:53in a figurative sense plugged into the
2:01:55Synology so the Synology is watching the
2:01:57camera and taking taking recordings of
2:02:00the camera etc etc and there's software
2:02:02on the Synology that it's built exactly
2:02:03for this and so since you have the
2:02:05Synology sitting in the house I'm a
2:02:07little bit surprised you didn't go that
2:02:09route because I don't see the IQ
2:02:14in the head camera you know it's just a
2:02:15camera and nothing more so like John for
2:02:18you it certainly would not have worked
2:02:19but if you're just pointing it out the
2:02:20outside world it might have solved the
2:02:22problem pretty well if and this is a big
2:02:24if you're willing to get an Ethernet
2:02:27cable to it well and I mean the main
2:02:30reason I didn't look at solutions like
2:02:31that I mean in the past when I've had
2:02:33like the duct camera on the back girls
2:02:35I've actually had a few I I have a two I
2:02:37think that and and so I I know this
2:02:40world slightly and and by trying to do
2:02:43this world with those that turned me off
2:02:46so much to that world that when it came
2:02:49time we wanted to do this first of all
2:02:50we had this idea to do this like a few
2:02:54days before like we were gonna leave
2:02:56like a week before it's like I didn't
2:02:59have a lot of time so I got you know III
2:03:01can't it was just kind of blessing like
2:03:03I can't spend a lot of time on the
2:03:04solution of this problem if we're going
2:03:06to do this I have to do something simple
2:03:07I have to just like throw some money at
2:03:09it and make the problem go away
2:03:10hopefully and that's what we did in
2:03:13retrospect you know the the correct
2:03:16solution of the problem was something we
2:03:18came up with a few days after that which
2:03:19was why don't we just get a safe deposit
2:03:22box at the bank and put expensive stuff
2:03:24in that and it costs way less because
2:03:29like the problem is here's the problem
2:03:31what if somebody breaks into my house
2:03:33and I have a video of that what do I do
2:03:36with that exactly the video of that I'm
2:03:38gonna have is gonna be pretty low
2:03:41quality it might be in the dark so it
2:03:43might just be with the IR camera and
2:03:45it's gonna be a video of some you know
2:03:48burglar whose face is gonna be like 16
2:03:50pixels total in this video and I'm gonna
2:03:54give it to the police and they're gonna
2:03:55do what exactly with that like it's not
2:03:57it's it's not like I'm gonna be dealing
2:03:59with like the FBI with top notch
2:04:01national databases of criminals and
2:04:02they're gonna be able to swivel their
2:04:04face around like CSI and see oh this is
2:04:05this criminal it's gonna be like some
2:04:07some you know crazy desperate person
2:04:09like it's not gonna be like I'm not
2:04:11gonna be able to like get my stuff back
2:04:13with this it's totally useless like I'm
2:04:17buying this with the idea this will
2:04:19somehow keep my stuff safer or I'll have
2:04:21some recourse if someone steals all my
2:04:23stuff but that's really probably not
2:04:25true in practice like
2:04:27it's fine doing it to find out if your
2:04:30house is flooding or if a tree branch
2:04:32found something or a raccoon is somehow
2:04:34penetrated your home and is is busily
2:04:35shredding every one of your cereal boxes
2:04:37or someone writing well you can have a
2:04:38neighbor come by and shoot out of the
2:04:40house with a broom I don't think it's so
2:04:41much I mean for theft I know they might
2:04:43be called security camera I mean
2:04:44obviously I'm using mine to look at my
2:04:46dog to make sure my dog has an escape
2:04:47that's pen and you know isn't freaking
2:04:50out and peeing and pooping all over the
2:04:51house like you know peace of mind but
2:04:54definitely not for theft although I do
2:04:56have the the ring stick up cam like the
2:05:01ring non doorbell camera I've been using
2:05:03that pick it to because someone did
2:05:05steal one of my I think it's my second
2:05:08gen iPod Touch was kind of a shame they
2:05:09stole that out of mine oh yeah I
2:05:10remember that mhm and so now I have a
2:05:12camera on that dead zone and of course
2:05:15that means nothing will ever happen
2:05:16again but you know that one that one's
2:05:20pretty good with the alerts - it sends
2:05:21me an alert at work when like the FedEx
2:05:23guy comes because I use the FedEx app to
2:05:26tell them for one delivery to deliver my
2:05:28packages to a different location than my
2:05:30front door and now for every FedEx
2:05:32package they delivered to a location
2:05:34that is not my front door and so every
2:05:35time they walk by that camera yeah oh a
2:05:38package is arriving and there's the
2:05:39person and you know you see the
2:05:41landscapers and stuff like that so it
2:05:42works okay like but I have no illusions
2:05:45about security it's more like knowing oh
2:05:46hey did that package come or not like I
2:05:48don't think I even have notifications on
2:05:49for it I can just go to the app and say
2:05:51oh did that package come today scroll
2:05:52scroll oh yeah there's the guy that is
2:05:55the only use my found for these so far
2:05:56it's not about security it's about
2:05:58basically showing me things are ok I can
2:06:02see that my staff hasn't been broken
2:06:04into as far as I know I can see that
2:06:06like there isn't a package sitting on my
2:06:07porch for two weeks the model of the
2:06:11inside of your house like in Ocean's
2:06:12eleven spoilers right yeah I actually
2:06:16did see that like it's mostly for that
2:06:20or you know like my house is like not
2:06:22flooded or on fire like that that's
2:06:24basically what I want to know is like
2:06:26stuff like that but that's pretty much
2:06:28all it's good for and I'm I'm quite
2:06:32disappointed in the in the usefulness of
2:06:35the rest of the system and the accuracy
2:06:37of things like the face recognition and
2:06:38people recognition and everything was
2:06:40like
2:06:41I probably could have gotten by with a
2:06:42much simpler setup like an iPhone with
2:06:45like a timer that would capture a
2:06:48picture every day and send it up to
2:06:49Dropbox or something like that like that
2:06:51would have probably been just as useful
2:06:53it would have caused way less I used to
2:06:57like my wife was looking at and she said
2:06:59asked if my daughter had left her
2:07:01bathing suit at home but she could see
2:07:02it like it on the counter like after
2:07:04every was gone and we were all at work
2:07:06the kids were all I can't it's like did
2:07:08she leave her bathing suit because I see
2:07:10it there on the like zoom in zoom and
2:07:12enhance the that's baby bottom she
2:07:14forgot to pack it you know it's I mean
2:07:18I'm glad I only have one of them like
2:07:19and if we didn't have for the door I
2:07:20wouldn't wanna cuz I don't like the idea
2:07:22of you know recording devices recording
2:07:25the inside of her house and uploading it
2:07:26to the Internet in general cuz I don't
2:07:27trust that you know which is why for the
2:07:30most of the time I have it off like we
2:07:31have it all for her home which seems
2:07:32silly it's like oh you're home upstairs
2:07:33asleep don't you want to catch the cat
2:07:34burglars but I mean probably not like I
2:07:38just don't want video of the inside of
2:07:40my house being uploaded anywhere ever so
2:07:42it's mostly only on when there is nobody
2:07:44in the house yeah during during like the
2:07:46week that we were there before we
2:07:48actually left when we had these things
2:07:49set up we wouldn't
2:07:50I kept the indoor ones off until we
2:07:53actually left like only the outdoor ones
2:07:55I kept running thinking this evening
2:07:56what if someone brings in behalf but
2:07:57it's like we've lived there for like ten
2:07:59years and no one's broken into the house
2:08:01ever like my rule is if anybody ever
2:08:03breaks into my house we're gonna move
2:08:04like I can't live with that stress if
2:08:05we're in a place but that's a real thing
2:08:07that's a real thing everywhere though
2:08:09like there is no place you can move
2:08:10except for an island tropical island
2:08:12where you're the only resident and there
2:08:14are no boats like because where are you
2:08:15gonna go like oh we're in a high crime
2:08:18area there is no like the lowest crime
2:08:20area you go to is like you get richer
2:08:22and richer people and those are prime
2:08:23targets for theft there's not a lot of
2:08:25them but there are prime targets right
2:08:27so you can't there's a place you can go
2:08:28you guaranteed no one will ever break in
2:08:31or attempt to break into your house and
2:08:32certain respect as you get farther and
2:08:35farther away from the rest of the
2:08:37population and closer and closer into
2:08:39giant compounds that are walled off from
2:08:41everybody the more tempting you are as a
2:08:43target and the more likely you will have
2:08:44a sophisticated attacker
2:08:46for that one robbery in your entire life
2:08:48rather than just a random smash and grab
2:08:50person but most likely you won't have
2:08:52that in any place because every place we
2:08:54all live is
2:08:54low-crime so I wouldn't move if
2:08:57something happened to you you just lost
2:08:59the lottery in that case or won the
2:09:01lottery I don't know you you you had a
2:09:02rare event actually occurred to you but
2:09:05it doesn't change the statistical
2:09:06likelihood in our in our ritzy low crime
2:09:09neighborhoods I mean you should look at
2:09:11the the crime statistics for where you
2:09:13live I bet they're ridiculously low as
2:09:15usual you're frustratingly rational oh
2:09:18please that I didn't like it when
2:09:20someone stole the iPod out of my car so
2:09:22don't do that I mean they didn't take
2:09:25anything else there's nothing else of
2:09:26value I guess they could've taken my
2:09:27tire pressure sensor I loved the idea
2:09:29like what if someone does break in and
2:09:31steal your iPod again like what are you
2:09:33gonna do that video do you think you're
2:09:35actually going to tell who it is on the
2:09:36video I mean what I would do the video I
2:09:40would give it to the police I mean they
2:09:41wouldn't do anything with it but right
2:09:42yeah what were they doing well mostly I
2:09:44want to know look is it teenage kids who
2:09:46are down the block cuz then I can go
2:09:48tell their parents and get them in
2:09:49trouble right yeah I was like I mean yo
2:09:56with stuff like this you always wonder
2:09:57like yes but you know it looks like this
2:09:59is something that kids would do cuz what
2:10:00kind of person successfully breaks into
2:10:03my car without breaking window and the
2:10:04only thing they take is a second
2:10:06generation iPod Touch that's a dumb kid
2:10:08right no like a someone who was there
2:10:12for thievery would have taken everything
2:10:13in value out of the car at least would
2:10:14have opened up every compartment and
2:10:16pulled everything out like didn't even
2:10:17they didn't get like the loose change
2:10:19that was in the car like the quarters
2:10:20for parking meters like no real car
2:10:23thief leaves that stuff but a stupid
2:10:25teenager would so that's basically what
2:10:27I'm looking for