The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► live from Wednesday night it's a TV I [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► feel like if I had watched Saturday [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► Night Live more frequently I would have [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► rift on that whole announcer spiel you [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► would have realized how badly he mangled [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the quote in reference live from [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► Wednesday night from Wednesday night [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► that's the plan [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► live from New York they're definitely [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► not from Wednesday yeah fair enough or a [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► Saturday I have some pre-show [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► announcements gentlemen first of all for [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► the next few minutes I am a single [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► parent so it is possible that I will [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► need to depart if Declan wakes up as he [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► has done recently although usually at [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning explaining [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► to me that he doesn't want to be asleep [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► and that he wants to be awake hmm been [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► there so if so if I disappear [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► momentarily that would be why and before [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► any parents in the room email me to say [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► oh you need a sleep to wake alarm we [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► have one you have a nice little alarm [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► clock that will turn green when it's [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► time for him to wake up and even though [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► I think of him as a I was gonna say [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► reasonably smart kid but you can't tell [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► it in almost three so as as a not [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► moronic kid even with that said he seems [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► to forget in the middle of the night [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► that the green light is not yet on and [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► that he needs to go the fall asleep [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► which by the way it's a great bedtime [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► story it's so we have that same alarm I [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► have two other parent friends who have [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► that same alarm for their two different [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► children all of the children regard that [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► alarm as simply one input a suggestion [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah it's advice the advice oh it's [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► not green it's okay well I want to be up [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► now and I want to go bother my bother [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► mom dad so you know it's like it is [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► simply one input of many and they will [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► choose to ignore it whenever they feel [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► like it isn't a matter of your kid being [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► smart or not smart you'll get it [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► perfectly smart enough your kid is as [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► smart as all the other kids who've had [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► these same alarms and said well it's not [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► green but I don't care and it doesn't [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► really matter so I'm gonna go in there [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► anyway I think it worked on my son [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► we have thought the same thing well we [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► didn't even try it on my daughter [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► because just personality-wise food would [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► be useless in fact we had to remove all [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► clocks with still no clocks no room we [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► had to remove all clocks in my room [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► I guess she would she would stare at [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► them and be like you know whatever her [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► bedtime was and like five minutes after [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► I'm still awake and then so she'd be [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► there like it's 134 and I'm still awake [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► it's 247 and I'm still awake she were [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► just stared and then obsess about the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► fact that she's still awake so we had to [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► remove all clocks from room we haven't [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► put them back yet that was years ago we [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► haven't put them back yet but probably [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► we could but then again maybe not [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► yeah so he actually does do a pretty [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► darn good job in the actual morning time [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► when we really don't want him to like [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► get fussy or anything like that before [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► it's time for him to get up but in the [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► middle of the night like Marco said it [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► seems to be but a recommendation and [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► nothing more and so that's been the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► festivities of late but that's actually [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► not the big announcement the big [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► announcement is we have moved and by we [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I mean just me and I mean just the [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► office from one room in the house to [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► another but talk about burying the lede [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► yeah right if if if I sound like garbage [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► don't blame Marco blame me I've put up [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► some sound deadening material on the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► wall directly behind my 27-inch [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► reflective glass but I may need more [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► okay see god sake why did you move well [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► because we need we need a place for a [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► baby yeah okay congratulations it's [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► about damn time [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► yes Oh guess what Aaron's pregnant and [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that's super exciting and and based on [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► your recent car purchase we can conclude [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► she's having sex droplets is that it [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► exactly right now there's only one baby [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► in there as as we as has been confirmed [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► numerous times but anyway suffice to say [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► I've relocated rooms this room is bigger [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► potentially more echoey [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► maybe less eques who knows so Marco made [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► me really really have some fun to do on [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► this edit with what is the the toolchain [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► that that has like the thing that that [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► magically erases john's air-conditioner [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► well there's a number of tools that can [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► do that that I have used in the past [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► audacity has the most basic one for free [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► it's basically it's like a noise profile [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► remover so you like select some of the [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► recording that's just the noise you want [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► to remove like when no one's talking you [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► just hear the background noise and then [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► you say alright profile this and then [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► you select the whole recorder and say [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► remove [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► that noise from this whole recording so [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► audition does it audacity does it the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► one I've been using most recently is the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► iZotope rx that says has a number of [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► other tools as well and that thing is [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► amazing it is it is not cheap but if you [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► process audio I need to remove annoying [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► background noise or echo or headphone [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► bleed or hum or so many other things I [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► have not found anything better than [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► iZotope Rx it is really something else [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► well congratulations on the reason you [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► moved and don't worry about the audio [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► will figure it out yeah so yeah thanks I [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► forgot that we had we had talked about [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► this in the post show that I think it [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► was like the post post post post show [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► last week and it didn't even cross my [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► mind that that probably didn't make the [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► released recording so yeah I guess what [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► Aaron's pregnant and so far everything [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► everywhere everything and everyone seems [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► healthy and we're super excited about it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and we'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► with a little bit of background [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► information about that in an adorable [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► picture of Aaron and Declan so for the [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► people who are just gonna listen to the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► podcast [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► the gender is sealed in an envelope in [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► case you don't don't want to know no we [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► haven't [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► yes well no but when we were told to [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► turn around so the so the technician can [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► figure out what the gender was that took [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► suspiciously little time so we'll see [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► that that indicates to me that it was a [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► suspiciously short amount of time to to [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► prove a negative but you never know so [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► we'll see what happens [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► my my kind of Farmers Almanac tale or my [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► experience which is a hundred and fifty [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► percent anecdotal and I recognize that [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► is that if if the woman tends to carry [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► all of the baby like in the tummy area [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► and doesn't seem to get any bigger [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► anywhere else that seems to generally [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► speaking be a boy this is completely [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► anti-scientific no science in any way no [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► no there's no science involved this is [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► all this is ball is ball every bite [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► I was like when the child was conceived [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► and definitely a boy is that do you know [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► what that's relate no not really [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► I tell you uh Kate's story so if she we [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► went in for one I guess was the the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► first ultra time where you gonna [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► actually find out and I said do you want [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► to know and we said yes and I said it's [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► a girl I'm like great cuz we're gonna [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► have a boy snow I've wanted you so great [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► okay then but that how actually you [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► responded great like we were in for like [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► another ultrasound I guess later in the [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► pregnancy whatever you like dude like [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► the routine second one over I don't know [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► but anyway later we're in is already [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► we'd like oh you know picking out girls [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► things and thinking of girls names and [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► stuff like that we going front later and [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► they're like oh looks like it's a boy [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► and like they told us it was a girl last [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► time you like that boy and then the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► person looks closer and like maybe right [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► maybe there was just a thumb and so and [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► they're like all right anyway [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► everything's fine you're doing like and [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► so that you know let me know that it's [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► not it's not an exact science first of [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► all anyway she came out she was totally [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► girl it was fine but not just a little [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► bit yeah there's no confusion but [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► ultrasounds it's a confusing picture and [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► yeah it takes some skill and experience [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► as a technician to interpret that as [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► anything and you know a thumb or a toe [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► ends up in the wrong position with the [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► baby ultimate setup you people get [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► confused but both people on their [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► initial proclamation sounded very very [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► sure and the only reason the second [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► person kind of hemmed in hard after was [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► because we said wait a second we've had [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► like a month and a half of thinking this [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► is gonna be a girl and now you tell me [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► boy yeah so you'll find out or you'll [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► have in my situation it's like well [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► sometimes the baby is resting in sexual [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► way in sexual position and you see [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► something that makes it very very clear [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► and it couldn't really be anything else [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► and situations like well aren't really [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► supposed to tell you yet but I'm like [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► but yeah what's that and they're like [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► well you know so yeah so we asked the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► technician you know to put it in an [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► envelope seal it in and we are not the [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► kind of people that want to do like a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► gender reveal party I understand it's [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► very that's [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► be popular and fun and whatever but it's [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► not really for us we just wanted to be [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► able to change our minds in the future [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► so if we if we so desire and so we have [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► a sealed envelope with the gender in it [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► and both of us are very very type a very [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► anal retentive so I would say if you [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► wanted to make a bet that it's likely [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that we will probably end up opening it [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► I'm waiting for somebody to like start [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► an ATP pool to see what day it is we [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► open it but sitting here now the hope is [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► we will hold out until the baby is born [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► and we'll see what happens [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► in any case say yeah I didn't mean to [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► make that the entire pre-show but yeah [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► that's the thing so let's start with [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► some follow-up and as it turns out the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► follow-up is the Marco show today so [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► what yeah you know if you if you so as I [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► as I see or hear Marco saying oh I [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► should probably open the document by the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► magic of Google Docs I see a new [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► personal open up the document it turns [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► out it's Marco Arment [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► so uh so yes so it turns out that iTunes [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► U collections are moving to Apple [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► podcast and that got you on I don't want [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► to call it a rant but kind of a because [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► that implies negativity but kind of a [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► you want you got on your soapbox and [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► talked about your thoughts for the [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► future of iTunes so can you kind of talk [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► us through that yeah basically there was [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► this little news article last week that [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► said that iTunes U which is like the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► kind of educational course collection [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► things and iTunes that have been around [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► for quite a long time [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► remember when was launched it was it's [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► not recently right yeah I don't think so [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah so anyway so iTunes U content which [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► is actually wonderful and and quite [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► extensive that has that's been announced [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► that that's moving into Apple podcasts [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► so the no longer be a separate section [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► that it's always been like a section in [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► iTunes and now that is moving to Apple [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► podcasts and I interpret this as you [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► know if it was just this by itself [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► that's kind of a weird thing but when [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► you when you combine it with things like [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► the stopping selling all iPods that [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► aren't iOS based and and just some other [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► little moves you've seen here and there [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► and just timing in general but [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► I think this is just one of many signs [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that they are preparing for the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► abandonment or total deletion of iTunes [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► probably abandonment if it's re gonna [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► sit around forever as like you know in [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► the utilities folder for the very few [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► you know Knicks used cases that people [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► need for anymore but I think iTunes is [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► finally being relegated to the dustbin [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► of history as it should have been a very [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► long time ago and they are I bet in the [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► next version of Mac OS not you know not [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the one that's coming out like in a [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► month but the one is coming out probably [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► next year I bet we're gonna see finally [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► I split up of iTunes into brand new apps [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► called things like music TV podcasts [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► things like that do you remember the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► screenshots for some of the dialog boxes [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► saying you know open document in movies [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► or something like that do you remember [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► that oh this just went through not long [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► ago didn't it yeah someone someone had [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► found some dialog in some version of Mac [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► OS some beta version of Mac OS that in [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► response to trying to open a video [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► instead of it opening an iTunes or [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► QuickTime Player it said do you want to [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► open this in movies that's right yeah [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► yeah and that makes me think if that's [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► real that's why I wish I could still [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► find out but I have lost track of it is [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► this the case where the replacements for [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► iTunes we're kind of almost ready but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► just didn't quite make the cut or is [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► this the case where they're not gonna be [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► ready for a long time but someone got [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► ahead of the game and did the easy part [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► which is updating a dialog box or [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► something like I'm always trying to [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► gauge is how close are we to the death [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► of iTunes it's one of those things that [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► probably is not people don't care enough [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► about it for it to leak like iPhone [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► parts so we'll probably just kind of [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► find out either when they accidentally [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► post a bit if they're not supposed to or [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► when someone announces it on stage I [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► mean at this point I kind of wonder how [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► many people will even care like based on [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► how many people still use iTunes I mean [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► it'll probably be a big during the tech [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► press just because tech press is full of [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► old people who remember iTunes right but [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► for everyone else is it going to be a [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► significant moment [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► and what I'm what I'm worried about is [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► all the boringly named apps music [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► whatever think this would be like music [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► movies what else is gonna be TV probably [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► podcasts I would bet yeah maybe [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► anyway if those apps have to travel the [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► same road as the new Photos app did I'll [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► be kind of sad because photos just start [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► off very anemic and weird and janky and [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► it's a little bit better now and it's [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► getting a little bit better still in [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► high sierra but it was like a big [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► regression for my father in terms of [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► functionality and just polish and [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► everything like it was a super [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► simplified it basically looked like a UI [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► kid application that was somehow ported [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► to the Mac and everything was all [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► stripped down and removed and it wasn't [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► like tiny and quick and lightning fast [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► with that stripping down I was like [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► stripped down but also still sluggish [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► and annoying and I don't want that like [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► iTunes you know we don't love iTunes but [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► the functionality that it has for like [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► finding a song and playing it more or [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► less works and I can just imagine that [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► exact same function of typing in [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► something in the search box and having a [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► narrow this down and having me like [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► double-click on a thing to hear it [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► adding the photos style lag to every one [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► of those operations just a few extra [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► milliseconds to make you feel better and [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► remove as many controls as possible it [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► kind of already removed lock controls [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► but remove all the controls that you're [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► used to so it's just like a big empty [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► blank window where everything is a [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► little bit slower than you want it to be [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► with less functionality than it had [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► before I'm hoping that's not the case [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► I'm hoping these new slim down [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► applications give us the benefits that [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► we want from them being slimmed down not [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► just the lack of confusion about like [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► this is just an app for playing music [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► and you don't worry about anything else [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► but that the apps themselves are nicer [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and not they don't just look like hey we [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► took the music app from iOS and we put a [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► Mac title bar on top of it here you go [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► because that will make me sad I think [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the reason I'm kind of looking forward [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► to this happening assuming this that [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► this is on the table and I think it [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► probably is I mean it does seem like [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► this is the direction they're moving but [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► one of the reasons why I'm interested in [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► this is just on a basic level [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► I just appreciate seeing significant [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► effort into the Mac platform you know [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► because it's so it's so easy to look at [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the Apple has operated over the last few [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► years and conclude that the Mac is [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► really being neglected and there they've [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► been a few things in in the very recent [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► past like basically in the last year [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► they've done a few things that that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► suggest that no the Mac isn't being [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► neglected at least anymore maybe it was [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► for a little bit but now you know now it [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► isn't being a little intense for some [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► good stuff that's happening so any sign [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► of significant investment into the Mac [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► platform which breaking up iTunes and [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► rewriting all these things as presumably [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► new apps that's a big undertaking you [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► know it's it's not like a big [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► undertaking at the low level OS level [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► but it is a big undertaking for the app [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► for you know like the basically the [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► applications teams you know and and the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► people responsible for all these media [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► apps and their backends any meals like [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► that that's a big undertaking and so to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► have that to take that on [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► when technically you didn't have to like [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► they could just keep iTunes going even [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► though it's terrible and they could they [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► could you say well it's not really worth [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► ever facing iTunes you know and that [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► would be disappointed that you know that [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► would show that they don't really care [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► but the Mac anymore but the fact that [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► they seem like they're probably going in [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► this direction if they do this that's a [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► very good sign for the Mac platform in [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► general and then secondarily in regard [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► to the actual apps the answer will [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► really be it depends I mean a lot of the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► roles of some of these apps like podcast [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► there has never been a podcast app on [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the Mac from Apple you know the iTunes [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► can play podcasts but that's you know [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it's pretty basic and it's really not [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► very well designed for it [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► similarly iTunes can also play movies [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and TV shows it pretty much sucks like [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► I've done that it's not very pleasant to [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► play these things in iTunes again it [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► works you can do it but it's not very [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► good and then the music part of iTunes [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► is this weird [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► whatever the multi-headed thing is at [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the Hydra mm-hmm okay [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► so it's like this weird thanks reference [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► check it's like as weird Hydra of like [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► you have like this this entire local [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► management thing on with iTunes Match [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► that matches your local music to the [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► cloud and everything and then you also [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► have this Apple music thing which is [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► really totally separate and work totally [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► separate but it tries to integrate at [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the same interface and the combination [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► of Apple music in [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► to iTunes with your local music [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► librarian because that is a disaster in [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► the UI it's so clunky and confusing and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► opens people up to weird bugs and [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► accidental data loss and things it's [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► it's really not great at all so the idea [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► of making a whole new music app I think [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► raises the significant question of [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► whether it would be Apple music only and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► I think I would prefer if it was because [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► to me if they could remove Apple music [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► from iTunes and just let iTunes be the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► legacy app that does your local music [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► library and has nothing to do that with [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► music then the Apple music app could [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► finally have its own like coherent [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► design that would be way less confusing [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► way more lightweight would solve you [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► know people's issues with like storage [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► and cloud matching and everything by [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► basically just not supporting it that [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► stuff that would be so much better so I [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► hope that's the direction they're going [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► I don't know if it will be I will give [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► it maybe 50/50 odds if they do this but [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► are you saying that you wouldn't be able [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► to have a local music collection the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► music I would iTunes stay around forever [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► I don't know there are lots of ancient [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► os10 at or sorry Mac OS apps that do [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► basically stay around forever you know [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► many of them are better than the [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► utilities folder but you know they're [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► all still there so you know if you [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► wanted iTunes to be your look immunity [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► player fine I can keep your local music [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► player also it isn't the only one that [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► exists in the world there are other [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► local music players for Mac OS and if [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► Apple went in this direction with the [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► official music app and also iTunes [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► basically died eventually over time or [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► immediately then there be an immediate [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► large market for other people to make [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► these apps so I wouldn't worry too much [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► about that even like I am a person who [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► uses iTunes almost entirely for local [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► music and that's not going to change [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► anytime soon but I recognize also that [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► is like a dying breed and if Apple music [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► is able to be its own app and basically [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► kick it out of iTunes that's way better [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► for both Apple music and local music [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► libraries I don't like that idea I want [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► the I think just an app just dedicated [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► to music like the solution I think is [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► not to so it's confusing as you have [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► iTunes Match and local files both cloud [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► files and it's all confusing in iTunes [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► the solution is not to not let people do [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► local it's [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► make a dedicated music app that you know [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► makes it not confusing like so is it's [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► better about all the things that we [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► complain about items about about not [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► respecting your files on disk about [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► improperly matching them about not [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► respecting your metadata like it has to [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► it has to serve the needs of the entire [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► range of music you could have you could [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► have music that you from your own CDs or [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► illegally downloaded or whatever that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► you've carefully tagged and organized [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► over many many years you could [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► subscription to Apple music all these [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► things that could be that and it has to [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► it has to respect them and as to you [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► know it has to treat them not treat them [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► cavalierly and do a good job backing [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► things up and be reliable and all the [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► things you get a chance to do when you [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► start from scratch with a new [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► application rather than saying oh this [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► is just gonna be an apple ease [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► experiment player and we'll let you know [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► a third party opportunity to do musical [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► because I don't think there's enough of [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► a market for there to be you know [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► because I just don't think that many [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► people have local music collections that [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► they care that much about for there to [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► be a robust third party music player [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► especially if that third party music [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► player doesn't support streaming [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► services who's gonna make that [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► application and say we're just gonna [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► sell to the diminishing proportion of [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► the user base who have local music that [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► they care about like that's not a [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► winning even without iTunes in the [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► picture at all like that's not a winning [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► formula so I really hope they don't do [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that I hope I hope they have a music app [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► that does everything that needs to do [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► you know I think you underestimate how [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► much both Marco and Steven Hackett would [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► pay for this sort of managers standalone [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► music app but be that as it may it's [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► funny because I feel like my heart [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► agrees with Marco and left [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► if I were calling the shots I would want [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► there to be a two different apps like [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► let iTunes stick around forever but slim [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► it down to be just managing your local [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► music library and or iTunes Match and [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► and you know obviously there's some [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► nuances there but it's just simple for [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► the purposes of simplicity let's call it [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► that and then have like Marco said a [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► brand new Apple music app that's just [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► for Apple music and and I think I would [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► like that a lot and that's part of the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► reason why I've stuck with Spotify [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► even after a from Apple music became a [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► thing part of it was because I didn't [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► care for much of Apple music in general [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► but I also actually liked having that [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► separation and continued to like having [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► that separation of the music that is [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► legitimately mine and the music that I'm [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► just renting basically and having Apple [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► music versus iTunes would satisfy that [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► but my brain even though my heart agrees [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► with Marco my brain agrees the John and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► I think that the rightest answer to the [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► solution is probably just making iTunes [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► or whatever replaces it not crappy and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► have it more eloquently handle remote [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► music versus local music etc and the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► other thing I'm really wary of is even [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► though I really would love to see iTunes [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► either die or get revamped such that [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► it's not all things to all people I [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► really worry in John you were saying [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► this earlier I really worry that we're [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► in one of those photos scenarios when [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► when all of us was calling for you know [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► oh let's replace photos photos is so old [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► nobody's paying attention to it let's [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► let's let's fix it and then we got the [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► fixed and we were all like oh no this is [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► not what we wanted and always Ari yes [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► yes yes thank you replace iPhoto and and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► obviously it's gotten a lot better but [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► it it still was not really what we [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► wanted look at what was it Final Cut X [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► is that right something like that how [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that one I mean I mean I mean I totally [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► did that on purpose anyway I'm so sorry [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► to everyone but the point is when Final [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► Cut Pro got redone and everyone you know [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► was really perturbed about the things [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► that were driving on saying unfairly but [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► was perturbed about the things that were [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► dropped the features that were dropped I [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► I fear that we're in a similar situation [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► with iTunes and I don't see any way how [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► we couldn't be given that iTunes is all [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► things to all people and there's so much [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► code there and it's what was wasn't a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► Joel on software a Joel Spolsky that [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► that wrote a really good post years and [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► years and years ago about how you should [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► never rewrite anything discussed [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► on the show and I said it wasn't that [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► good you know like many things that is a [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► great rule it's it's a great input when [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► you're making a decision but like all [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► rules like you have to decide when you [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► know how to break them or not and this [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and you know if you say like between [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► this release of our products and [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► actually is for a product we should [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► rewrite the whole thing from scratch [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► like well is the product still like [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► needing to do the same things like what [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► are you really getting out of that [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► whereas with this it's like this is the [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► needs of these products have changed so [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► much over time that keeping them around [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► is actually more of a liability in a lot [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► of ways and not only from the code but [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► even from the design of having this all [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► be one app you're not like we're not [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► suggesting that you rewrite iTunes from [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► scratch we are suggesting that you break [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► up this app into like five different [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► other apps each of which can be way [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► better at solving the problem that it's [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► meant to solve than this one app that [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► tries to solve all five of these things [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► badly so here's my medic concern about [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► this whole thing and this is always I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► was trying to think of this while you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► guys were talking and I can't come up [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► with something maybe you can my question [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► is does Apple still know how to make [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► really great mac apps I'm trying to [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► think of the last really great mac app [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► that Apple made maybe is it is it maybe [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► Final Cut Pro 10 and iMovie like that [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► when they revamp those because those are [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► pretty good right but I'm not sure like [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► it used to be you know Apple makes the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► best Mac absent if you're a third-party [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► developer try to make your apps as good [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► as them and it slowly shifted to be like [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► if you want to see the exemplars of [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► great Mac applications you have to look [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► at third parties because all the first [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► party stuff is either not half-butted [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► and Marcos parlance but like it's slight [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► like for example when they redid [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► contacts and notes on the Mac I mean you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► know they're alright they're not bad but [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► they're pretty slight right no one would [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► say this is a tour de force Mac [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► application of the Mac version of notes [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► like it's alright you know it's there [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► and now all the great Mac apps it's like [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► if you want to see an amazing Mac [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► application like you know look at look [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► at panics you know transmit right or [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► something from Omni right where it's [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► like a a full-featured beautifully [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► designed [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► and well thought-out stable reliable you [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► know like all the things that you want [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► from a great Mac application the kind of [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► applications are BBEdit for that matter [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► kind of applications to make people love [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► them and be dedicated to them known as [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► no one is dedicated to the Mac version [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► of notes right I mean the iOS version of [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► notes as you know gotten way better and [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► they're adding features left and right [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► there but I'm trying to think of what's [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► the last great man you're supposed to [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► fari [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► sorry it's pretty darn good too but [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► that's that's oh like the last great new [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► Mac App Apple's head in the past few [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► years it seems like every time they make [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► a new Mac application it's alright yeah [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► like I feel like photos is like the best [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► example photos is the the app that [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► should have been a great demonstration [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► of what the Mac can do and it hasn't [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► been at all and I would even brought in [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► your question of Ken Apple still make [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► great mac apps I would remove the word [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► Mac from that and say can Apple still [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► great still make great apps Apple is [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► remarkably good these days at being a [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► platform company their OS is amazing [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► their ap eyes are amazing that keep [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► adding new cool API is like a Ark it [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► like just to add to their other massive [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► pile of incredibly sophisticated api's [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► Apple is really good at the platform's [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► the frameworks the OS but I I really [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► have not gotten the sense from Apple [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► that they really know how to make great [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► apps anymore and and to their credit [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► they haven't made very many new apps [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► recently like maybe they maybe they [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► realize this too or maybe they've [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► decided not to do that much anymore [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► they've been making good apps I feel [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► like especially on iOS I think they're [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► making good iOS apps and a lot of it I [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► think a lot of the iOS ones are [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► exemplars you could say hey you want to [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► you want to make a good eye o s app look [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► at Apple's applications and that's kind [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► of like the baseline try to match that [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► right but none of them I mean it may I [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► don't know in iOS but like on the Mac [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► anyway I don't feel like any of them are [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► great and it kind of in the way that [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► iTunes was great in the beginning like [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► you know at one iTunes sort of got got [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► the ball rolling and it was like you [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► could search for music so quickly and [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► the interface was so straightforward and [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► intuitive than anyone could figure out [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► how to do it with a three pane browser [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► and you know and then integrating the [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► store that all seemed to work like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► before iTunes became the [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► jack-of-all-trades [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► I think it was a pretty great [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► application too even though it was just [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► sound jam or whatever reskin to begin [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► with right yeah something like that I'm [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► sure there is still the talent in the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► company to make great applications like [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► what we're talking about if they [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► prioritize them I think they just [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► haven't prioritized them really like [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► they've been doing so much else they've [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► been launching new platforms and making [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► new services and you know making the OS [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► is better and everything they've been [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► doing so much else that it just seems [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► like they don't really put a lot behind [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► their first party apps anymore and that [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► shows in some big you know end of life [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► things like aperture and also just the [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► kind of you know languishing nature of a [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► lot of their other apps along with apps [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► that are revamped into new versions that [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► aren't necessarily to do the old ones [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like the Photos app you know in that [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► place iPhoto and aperture you know like [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► the I think it is very clear like I [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► would say you know I don't want to put [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► this entirely on Johnny I've because I [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► do that a lot but in the the big shuffle [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► up when Forrestal was out and Ives [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► Department became head of software [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► design as well as hardware design I [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► would say since that happened appala [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► seem to be in a period of flux with [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► their application design skills that [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► have not been good and even going into [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► iOS 11 like we still don't know what the [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► new phone and this potential notch is [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► gonna look like but if that knotch [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► you know if basically we're looking at [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► the iOS 11 design with these like giant [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► title bars with the big white you know [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► bold text titles and basically making [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► everything like Apple music which seems [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► like a terrible idea because if you [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► would have said after last year after I [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► was 10 we're gonna make all the apps in [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► the system look like Apple music people [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► thought you were joking but now you know [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► now that's the style that might make [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► sense in some big grand vision here that [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► we have yet to see the you know the [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► final play of wouldn't when the new [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► phone comes out it's also possible the [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► apples just going through like this kind [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► of like design puberty period where like [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► they're they're in between you know two [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► different eras or ages or they're trying [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► to find their footing or whatever the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► case may be it seems like Apple is has [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► been all over the map with software [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► design in the last few years and they [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► have not yet found the right place to be [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► yet yeah [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► I feel like Final Cut Pro 10 and the new [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► iMovie that that was before it those [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► were actually I think the only Mac [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► applications that could rarely be called [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► great they were after the you know the [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► skeuomorphic age like a garage band and [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► stuff like that with the wood paneling [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► like that was you know high movie and [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► the original digital hub like there's a [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► lot of great applications there but [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► those were all definitely in the forest [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► all skeuomorphic whatever or even though [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► he you know whatever that that her right [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► and then where we are now is the place [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► where you know photos and the revised [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► you know contacts and notes an even [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► calendar and self on the Mac they're [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► kind of you know they're right they're [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► very simple they're slight bit more of [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► the Johnny hive thing and I feel like in [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► between there was the iMovie design [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► which was not super skeuomorphic but was [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► also not like oh let's remove every [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► single control from the interface and [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► make just giant expanses of white white [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► or in this case black so I think maybe [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► that is and that's the last time I can [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► recall seeing one of those maybe there's [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► other applications that I don't use them [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► people keep bringing up like the iWork [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► Sweeting everything but those aren't [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► those are new applications like they've [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► evolved and I could say those have the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► same kind of problem with the syncing up [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► with the uikit and all right now do you [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► like it syncing up with iOS features and [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► losing stuff and coming back up they've [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► they've had their our own problems [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► during the way during the their their [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► development I don't think those are [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► great applications yeah and even if they [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► were you'd have to date them back to [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► when they were introduced so maybe it's [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► just iMovie and Final Cut Pro 10 and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► those were controversial as well we are [TS]

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00:34:28 ◼   ► appeared in follow up ever and I will [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► read it verbatim for the listeners the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► topic that we are apparently about to [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► discuss a topic it's a foul of item [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► good grief the follow-up item copyright [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► 2011 Johnson he said that we are about [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► to discuss is as follows quote advice [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► for Markos sensitive Toshi end quote [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► would one of us I'm assuming Jon like to [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► tell us what his advice would be for [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► Marco's since my advice its listeners [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► advice last week and people had advice [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► for what he could do to make his bump [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► feel better one piece of advice was to [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► buy shorts with a pad in the butt [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► especially made for people who ride [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► bikes I go for made for mountain bikers [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► so probably that's the thing that you [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► can [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► get and someone suggested that but the [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► other suggestion that I think it is even [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► better is bicycle riders saying don't [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► put all your weight on your butt when [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► you're riding your bike put some of your [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► weight on the pedals and some of your [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► weight and the handlebars and some of [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the weight on your butt and then you [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► won't have your entire weight on the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► very hard seat and if you do that it [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► will make any seat feel more comfortable [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► for you [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► I would say the latter option of [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► changing my biking technique to put less [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► weight on my butt that is a good idea if [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► I was a professional bike list but I'm [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► not have to be a professional bike guest [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► in your words to do that you can you can [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► you can change the way you bike and not [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► be paid to be a bicycle rider you know [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► that's something I will slowly work [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► towards but that's like you know a [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► gradual technique thing also like a lot [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► of the riding I'm doing around here is [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► very slowly because I'm riding with my [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► kid who is now very well riding a bike [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► that took no time thank you John you [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► were right and it's awesome so we're [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► riding around but it's running very [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► slowly so like it's kind of hard to like [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► hold yourself up all that time and [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► you're going like two miles an hour [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► secondly the bike shorts with built in [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► but padding I don't really see the point [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► of that honestly I mean again maybe this [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► is I mean that professional bike ists [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► have some good reason for but if they're [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► saying the seat shouldn't be padded your [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► shorts should be padded well I think [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► there but I think they're both padded [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► like double doubling up the padding I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► guess then you get then you get to look [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► like stupid sexy flanders III appreciate [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► these two options [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► written in by the professional bike ists [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► I am NOT going to take either of them [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► instead I did what I said I was gonna do [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► last week and I just went on Amazon and [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► spent eighteen dollars on a really soft [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► cushy seat and that's great and it's [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► fixed it pretty much as well as anything [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► besides new tyres could so done well [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► stupid sexy finest was skiing not biking [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► there wasn't refiners have bike shorts [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► too anyway [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► bike shorts you can kind of be a no [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► Majah stupid sexy flanders is this the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► first time i've ever had to podcast [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► topic about my butt name might be [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► not the last probably dan just to do a [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► quick status check how many bikes did [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► you buy in the last week well how do I [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► measure so what if I said you've [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► returned Tony but we're the new bike [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► slow [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► Harmony House hopeful well technically I [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► was asking to be funny and now you're [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► giving me a legitimate friggin answer [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► technically two but one was a [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► replacement for a defect one in one all [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► right oh my god yeah the other one was [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► the sand bike it's amazing I thought you [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► weren't getting one but you borrowed the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► neighbors and you were like oh that's [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► just saved me a lot of money now I'm not [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► gonna buy the thing because I know that [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► it's hard work yep and then I bought it [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► it's a lot of fun it's a lot of how do [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► we do this John John how do we how do we [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► do it you're gonna say I'm like for Adam [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► he's got unlimited energy he could just [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► be whirring away on those pedestals [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► forever he's riding nine miles a day [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► just get him a sandbag he'll be down to [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► like you know four and a half the same [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► amount of effort it's actually a lot [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► easier to follow him in a sand bike [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► because it's like you can go first of [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► all you can go slowly more easily [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► because the tires are so big that's five [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► inch times and then the other thing is [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► that when when he you know as you're [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► going down Lee you know some of the [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► boring parts of the ride if you're on [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► the sand bike you can go in like the [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► sand berm on the side of the sidewalk [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► and have more fun and jump over the [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► various things there and you know makes [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► a little more fun the regular bike it [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► with the firm ride is the way more [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► practical one that is the one I should [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► have and the one I still ride a lot of [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► the time the sand bike is the fun one [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► that's the one that makes me smile I [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► can't believe you had a serious answer [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► for that question I should have known [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► better I should have known just window [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► he stops using the same bike in the snow [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► bring it back home for the winter [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► actually was thinking about trying that [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► I have it attached jetan who's this sign [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► put skis into the wheels okay let's just [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► move on to ask a teepee Robert [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► prejudiced I'm so sorry Robert asks OLED [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► or LCD for future iPhone in my [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► experience OLED is inferior burns out [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► why doesn't ever white but rather [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► pinkish or greenish I don't have very [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► many thoughts on this other than to say [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► the only oled screen that I'm aware of [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► that I have is my Apple watch because [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► that's all LED right and and I haven't [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► noticed any of these issues personally [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► that doesn't mean he's wrong by any [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► means I just it just means I haven't [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► noticed them so androids been [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► Android shows an OLED for a long time [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► and like why why samples that have LCD [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► the one of the theories is that Apple's [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► standards for colour reproduction and [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► you know like just general quality image [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► quality have not been able to be met by [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► OLED screen so you know that practically [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► speaking like future I'll see the future [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► for iPhone well the new iPhones coming [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► out are gonna be all that certainly the [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► pro one maybe the other ones as well [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► right so there's that practical thing of [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► like hey the next new iPhones you're [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► gonna get some o LEDs on long term does [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► that mean like all phones are gonna be [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► already going forward if Apple puts an [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► OLED in their fancy new phone it [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► probably means they were able to get the [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► quality up to their standards so it's as [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► good as and certainly better in black [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► levels than the LCDs ones to replace [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► them so Apple has waited a long time to [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► jump from LCD to OLED but they're doing [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► it now which probably means they're [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► gonna be good and if they are good the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► potential power saving advantages of [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► them mean that there's no reason for [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► them to go back to LCD and you know and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► the the black level improvements on them [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► so I think that the future of the iPhone [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► line is all OLED as soon as Apple can [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► swing that in terms of cost maybe right [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► now they're fancy OLED screen and the [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► volumes they can get produced in I mean [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► that they'll have to keep shipping LCD [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► iPhones for a long time and certainly [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► these step-down models a lot gonna be [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► LCD for their lives until they get [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► replaced by step-down OLED model some [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► for burnin you know image retention [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► whatever LCD still has that all that is [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► supposedly worse we'll find out how much [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► worse but you know we've seen LCDs with [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► really bad image retention and LCDs with [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► not so bad image retention presumably [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► the same is true we'll find out and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► white being never white or pinkish that [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► goes back to quality like presumably [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► than one of the screens that Apple's got [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► don't suffer from that problem so short [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► answer kool-aid Josh stager writes what [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► is Marcos process for reselling his [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► myriad of machines would this work for [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► someone without a hundred thousand [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► Twitter followers so basically my [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► process is when I want to sell something [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► whether it's a laptop or you know [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► something else when I want to sell [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► something that I think anybody on [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► Twitter might [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► you know it moves fast the reason that [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► moves fast yes it part of it is that I [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► have a lot of followers so I kind of [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► have an unfair advantage there part of [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► it is that I know how much it cost me to [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► sell something on eBay if you sell [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► something on eBay you're gonna lose [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► roughly 15% in various fees and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► everything so it's eBay is great if you [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► search completed items and more [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► specifically sold items it's great to [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► tell you kind of what something is worth [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► and I know that if I I sell it on eBay [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► I'm only gonna net you know 15 or 20% [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► under that price so then I just post on [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► Twitter saying hey I'll sell us you know [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► for you know 20 percent under eBay is [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► price whatever and it moves fast because [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► it's both you know being shown to a lot [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► of people and it's also a really good [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► deal [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► I value simplicity and speed to the deal [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► over you know getting the absolute [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► maximum price for it so if you're what [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► if you want to sell things either you [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► have two tools at your disposal you can [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► either you know go for a big audience or [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► you know which you know if you if you [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► don't a lot of Twitter followers and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► followers elsewhere you know eBay is [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► your best chance there or you can just [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► sell it for a very very attractive price [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► if you just want to move fast and I [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► choose to do both of those things so I [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► don't think it's really the follower [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► count that is as big a deal I mean [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► certainly that helps but an obviously [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► need to be above some threshold to have [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► any idea selling but the the key factor [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► for why once you get above a certain [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► number or followers why you why Marco in [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► particular has success selling things in [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► addition to the pricing that you just [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► talked about is that lots of people feel [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► like Lea no Marco from all the things [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► that he does in public and so there's a [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► certain level of trust that is implicit [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► trust that he's not just some random [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► scammer and not just trust like oh he [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► seems nice on podcast so I think he's a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► nice person it's sort of a mutually [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► assured destruction thing if you are a [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► quote-unquote public figure right if you [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► have a public reputation and something [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► to lose chances are good that you're not [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► going to be like you know an internet [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► famous nerd person with a hundred [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► thousand followers and then scam someone [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► by taking their money and never shipping [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► the machine to them right you wouldn't [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► do that because that person's gonna be [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► like hey they'll write a blog post it'll [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► be like I tried to buy Mark Roberts [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► computer and he took my money and never [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► sent me the computer [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► and that would get a bazillion hits and [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► it would be all over the internet like [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► Marco has something to lose his [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► reputation and people would care about [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► that story people would listen to that [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► person's story if it's like Oh famous [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► person doesn't mean thing whereas random [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► scammer takes your money doesn't send [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► you the thing on eBay and you write a [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► blog post about it [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► no one's gonna post that on Hacker News [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► no one's con dude you know it's not [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► gonna be on TechCrunch front page it's [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► not gonna be in tech name no one cares [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► about you so you got scammed by selling [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► Internet that's great right so I think [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the combination of people understanding [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► that Marco has something to lose and [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► people generally think feeling like they [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► know him from all this podcasts and it's [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► work say that he's probably really got [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► this computer he's not lying about it [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► he's gonna ship it to me like he says [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► he's going to and that peace of mind [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► does not exist on ebay whether buying or [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► selling or Craigslist or anything like [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► that it's like I don't know these people [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► this could not be a person at all this [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► could be a bot somewhere you know in [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► Lithuania I have no idea about any of [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► this whereas it's kind of like it's not [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► like buying it for a friend because they [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► don't know Marco know him but the [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► combination of mutually assured [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► destruction public figure thing and the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► general nice feelings people have for [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► people that they read their blog posts [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► and listen to that podcast that is super [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► important on top of the large number of [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► followers now does that mean all this [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► advice is completely useless for [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► everybody I think Marcos advice is the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► most useful like price it's move and [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► it'll move but you still have to find [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► some venue for putting your offer in [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► front of people and then you have to [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► Marco's got this on his side you have to [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► deal with the person who makes the offer [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you write the thing on Twitter hopefully [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► you're narrowing down but people who [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► follow you on Twitter and notifying your [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► stuff there as it's not just a bunch of [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► random individuals but you still have to [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► deal with that person and hope that they [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► you know you get the money from them [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► you're gonna send another thing and all [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► that stuff like that so I don't think [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► there's any easy answers here but if you [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► can if you can at all get yourself a [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► hundred thousand Twitter followers and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► have a public reputation on the internet [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► for a decade or two that really helps [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► out with selling stuff I'd also like to [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► add that if you're willing to trade a [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► little bit of lost money so to speak for [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► convenience [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► ghazal who honestly don't remember if [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► they were a past sponsor of the show [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► they probably were but I've used them by [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► choice and there are other equipment [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► people as well but gizelle is super nice [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► for technology related things so like [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► old computers old phones etc and [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► basically you just tell them hey I've [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► got some such device it's approximately [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► this quantity quality and they mail you [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► a box you put your device in the box you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► mail it to them and they will give you I [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► think it used to be I don't know if this [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► is still true like an Amazon gift card [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► or a I think like a cheque or something [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► like that and typically these prices are [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► not as good as they would be if you did [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► like an eBay or something like that but [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► they're not terrible and if you want it [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► if you're willing to trade a little bit [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► of money for supreme convenience I def [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► and you don't have a hundred thousand [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► Twitter collars I definitely recommend [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► looking into one of these places like [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► gazelle I've heard very good things [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► about some sort of quasi equivalent [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► thing or maybe it's more like eBay that [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► Amazon does I don't know anything about [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► it really but I've heard good things but [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► there are there are ways you can do this [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► is what I'm driving out there were there [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► are ways you can do this without having [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► a hundred thousand Twitter followers I [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► would also say if you if what you are [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► selling is an Apple product if you're [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► gonna go that route [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► check out Mac me and offer this is [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► something I learned from Paul Haddad of [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► Tweetbot I got a great deal on one of my [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► MacBook Pros that I sold last year by [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► just talking to them instead it you know [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► there's a bunch of these sites that buy [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► this stuff most of the time the deals [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► that you get are awful a big site like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► gazelle that you know the the prices you [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► get are hideously bad like you only sell [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► to them if you really really don't want [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► to go to like eBay or something like [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► that but yeah this is and sometimes it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► doesn't work out sometimes you know like [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► like one of the things I found is when [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► you're selling something that is not [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► that old but not that popular or not [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► nestling very well so for instance when [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► I sold my 15 inch touch bar last year or [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► when I sold the twelve point nine inch [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► iPad pro those were things that because [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► I guess they weren't selling that well [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► Apple was discount of them pretty deeply [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► in in both their refurb store and [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► through partners like Best Buy and [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► Target that are like apples official [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► retailers but that like they go on sale [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► they're mysteriously when Apple needs to [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► move more [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► them even when Apple themselves never [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► puts anything on sale so if the thing [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you're selling is one of those things [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► you might like you might be stuck with [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► something that's not worth nearly what [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► you what you paid for it or what you [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► think it should be worth but you know if [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► you go to one of these sites you can [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► usually you know get a bunch of offers [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► and you know pick whatever one is [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► easiest for you alright the final ask [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► ATP for this week [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► t Dell rights have any of you ever seen [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► a doctor or physical therapist because [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► of RSI I will start because I have a [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► boring answer which is no I haven't [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► every great once in a while one of my [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► wrists will hurt ever so slightly and [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► I'll adjust my positioning or whatever [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► the case may be and I've been lucky [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► enough that it tends to go away very [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► quickly this is where the entire [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► internet writes in to say oh you've [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► already got it it's too late oh that's [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► probably true and that's okay I will try [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► to do this in order of severity of RSI [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► problems so I will move on now to Marco [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► I have I don't think of a person a [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► doctor for RSI I did have a major back [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► issue that put me into physical therapy [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► for a little while about ten years ago [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► but that was you know I asked a few [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► hours I related questions during that [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► little process but I made a few changes [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► that happen to be similar because it was [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► about like sitting too much and stuff [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► but otherwise the answer is generally no [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► I've only had very minor RSI problems [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► and I have solved them mostly by reading [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► a few books and articles and making [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► changes to like you know make sure my [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► desk is the right height make sure my I [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► have an appropriate chair and I switched [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► to a natural keyboard with the split [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► layout and and those things were [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► basically enough for for me to solve my [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► minor issues so far alright John I'm [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► buckled in let's hear the story so I [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► have Condor doctor my first really bad [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► flare was back when I lived in Georgia [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► shortly after graduating college and I [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► went to a general practitioner and got [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► referred and nothing really came of that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► and then I you know didn't everything [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► they recommended was not useful [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► I eventually came up to move back up to [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Massachusetts and same deal went to [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► general practitioner got referred [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► eventually found a physical therapist [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► who actually helped me [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► and kept going to see that person for a [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► while and it did a bunch of adjustments [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► and life changes and stuff like that and [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► now I'm basically managing it the the [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► difficulty with this is it's basically [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► it's hard to find doctors or specialists [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► or GPS who understand RSI like at all [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► right a lot of doctors have a vague [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► surface-level understanding it's [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► basically at the same level the average [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► person where I think our RSI is [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► synonymous with carpal tunnel and don't [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► really know about any of the details and [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► give you dumb advice or tell you to take [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► Advil all which is useless if you do [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► find someone who actually understands [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► our I saw it and treats RSI and you know [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► takes it seriously and actually knows [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► what will help people because they have [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► lots of patients that do this that's [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► that's great but it takes a lot of tries [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► to get there you don't I don't think [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► anyone ever needs their their general [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► practitioner do anything for them mostly [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you need to find some kind of specialist [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► whether it's a specialist doctor or [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► occupational therapist or physical [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► therapist or whatever it may be I you [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► know I always tell people that they with [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► you know I would tell Casey you know see [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► a doctor but it's like it's good advice [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► this is something they should do but [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► it's bad advice because I know if I tell [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► them that and they go see their doctor [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► their doctor is almost certainly not [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► gonna help them at all but you have to [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► keep going and like finding it's like [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► you know use the internet find other [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► people in your area who have RSI and as [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► I think everyone has learned now in this [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► age where everybody sits in front of [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► something and types for long periods of [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► did you know if if you're certainly in [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► our tech nerd programming circles right [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► but I think just in general the number [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► of people that we all know that have RSI [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► is way bigger than people think too some [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► people just don't talk about it I just [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► think about it who do we know that is [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► that are that you both know me Marco [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► said it a little bit [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► we know Mike early we just go through [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► all the real a family Gray has RSI [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► problems like this a lot of people have [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► it and so there there is a market for [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► helping these people so you should be [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► able to find it'll be difficult I'd been [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► we'll be difficult it will not be easy [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► but you should be able to find someone [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► who can help you in your area and what [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► will help you what kind of doctor will [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► help you what kind of treatment will [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► help you I don't know but you should the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► worst thing you can do is ignore it so [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► you have to go through that annoying [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► terrible US healthcare system rigmarole [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► of doing whatever you have to do to get [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► whatever referrals you need to have and [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► if referrals crappy go back to your GP [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► if you still need to referral and say I [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► would like you to refer me to this [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► person or sometimes you just can't you [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► know this person has added Network and [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► you have to pay out-of-pocket you have [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► to do what you have to do but ignoring [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► is the worst thing you do so sure to [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► answer that question yes some of us have [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► seen oh my word we should answer the [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► next yes-or-no question we get we should [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► just ask you know each of us go yes or [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► no answer yeah okay I'm not sure I'm [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► capable with that and with respect I am [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► positive that you to or not I could [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► totally do it no you're you're you're [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► wrong sir we are sponsored this week by [TS]

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00:54:23 ◼   ► or on top of them like most headphones [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► and they send vibrations through your [TS]

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00:54:29 ◼   ► which bypasses your ears and eardrums so [TS]

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00:54:32 ◼   ► bone conduction leaves your ears [TS]

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00:54:41 ◼   ► comfort if like me [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► earbuds actually hurt your ears and [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► they're also as I'm finding this summer [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► great for exercise and hot weather [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► because they don't cover your ear so [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► they are far less sweaty than regular [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► headphones and if I do sweat a little or [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► if I get caught in the rain outside no [TS]

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00:55:06 ◼   ► ears you hear all of the sound from the [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► world around you so this can be a bad [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► thing if you're in a place like a very [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► loud subway station but this can be a [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► very good thing if you think about it in [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► different situations such as if you are [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► taking a phone call while doing things [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► around the house or you need to listen [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► for your kids while you also listen to a [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► podcast or if you're like I do here [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► walking or cycling or running when it's [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► really important for safety and [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► practicality for you to hear the world [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► around you but you might want to listen [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► to you know an audiobook or a talk-show [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► while you're doing that after Sox work [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► great if you need to generally hear the [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► outside world while you want to listen [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► to a podcast or take a phone call if I'm [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► honest you know sound quality for music [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► is not great you want these things for [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► spoken word content when you're in an [TS]

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00:56:14 ◼   ► around the house anywhere where it's not [TS]

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00:56:17 ◼   ► what's going on around you while [TS]

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00:56:41 ◼   ► got two pieces of bad news this week I'm [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► gonna start with the easy one because [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► that's not a topic but it's just sad and [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► if people have workarounds I want to [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► hear it apparently there's a new version [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► of the Google photos uploader and in [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► that new version I'm being told by a [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► friend of mine it does not recognize [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► Network there or perhaps there's just no [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► place to add a network share I have not [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► yet updated and now I fear it but there [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► will probably come a time that I will [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► need to update and I don't know what I'm [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► going to do because I currently have it [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► pointed at a folder on my knowledge II [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► that has all of our pictures because now [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► that we have a child there is in an [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► insurmountable just indescribable amount [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► of photos and I need the disk space on [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► this analogy to hold them that was bad [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► news number one bad news number two the [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► m5 only comes automatic now oh that's [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► I tell both of you this like [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► weeks ago I didn't want to believe you I [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► didn't either it was not a rumor it was [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► like it's the real Newt anyway God was [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► that was that was bad news number two [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► and not only that but I I would like to [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► publicly concede to Marco that I believe [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► you and I had an argument I don't [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► remember if it was public or not I don't [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► remember if this was neutral time or not [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► but you were adamant that the next m5 [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► would have all-wheel-drive and I don't [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► think I was adamantly opposed but I was [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► definitely very opposed and you were [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► correct sir that the next m5 I can't [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► believe you're conceding this now [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► because I also believe I'm this very [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► show like a year ago I said hey guess [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► what Marco was right it's coming in [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► all-wheel drive again again I wasn't I [TS]