The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► that's didn't see I didn't see you out [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► there swimming in the waves in fact I've [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► never seen you swimming in them you got [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► a there's a reason for that that's the [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► next level of your Beach education [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► learning how to swim in the ocean yeah [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► that's that's unlikely because the ocean [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► is full of things that eat you and stuff [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► and that's I'm not gonna eat you it's [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► fine you see all the people playing they [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► live they go back to their homes it's [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► fine most of them yeah every day every [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► day have this the jellyfish are just [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► taking people so we haven't spoken to [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► each other in like a week and a half two [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► weeks something like that but we are [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► back together again back in the normal [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► schedule we'll be back in the normal [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► schedule as far as we know for at least [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► a little while probably until the [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► holidays start picking up and you know [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► if things are gonna go back to normal we [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► have to do what we always do and that is [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► your favorite segment and mine and [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► especially Jones asked ATP yeah that's [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► it no it's follow-up so we are starting [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► with the streaming music iPod shuffle [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► like thing which is apparently something [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► that uh that Spotify I don't know if [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► it's for is it first party I don't know [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► anyway it's a thing that's for Spotify [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► that's called mighty which is a peculiar [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► name that is basically an iPod shuffle [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► but for Spotify [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► from what I've gathered so John can you [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► tell me a little more about this [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► everybody sent us links to this thing [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► and eventually The Verge picked it up to [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► is that's what we'll link in the show [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► notes because we're talking about a [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► place in the market for something like [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► an iPod shuffle but this doesn't really [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► qualify because first of all it's not 50 [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► bucks is 85 second it does not have cell [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► data access you'd only has Wi-Fi and [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► Bluetooth so you know we're saying less [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► show was the last show maybe a show [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► before that you know eventually you'll [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► be able to make one of these fifty bucks [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► that can just stream music we're not [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► there yet but this one definitely looks [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► like doesn't look like an iPod shuffle [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► looks like a fisher-price versa it's [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► probably better this is the thing that [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► was annoying about the shuffle is that [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► it's so minimal and you needed to like [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► feel your hand on it to do like volume [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► up or down or next previous track right [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► you could find the middle button pretty [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► well but because it was a circle trying [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► to make sure that you're hitting up on [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► the circle and [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► instead of right or left which can be [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► very bad if you're in the middle of a [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► podcast especially before they got the [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► software updated or for your track on [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► her it wasn't marked as a podcast and [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► iTunes and it was just a song and you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► hit the button and just lose your place [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► entirely you couldn't feel with your [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► finger what what is up and what is down [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► this was a little bit better because the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► center thing is a square so you could [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► feel the flat edge anyway it's just [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► another coincidence of a product that is [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► kind of like what we're talking about [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► but not really like it so well come back [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► in ten years Marco tell me that audio [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► bit depth because apparently we got that [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► ever so slightly wrong well I wouldn't [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► say that [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► so last show we had some discussion [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► about whether Apple should or ever will [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► sell higher resolution music you know so [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► it was like the audiophile world loves [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► high bitrate high sample rate music like [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► 24 192 and stuff like that [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► so a may have Mottram writes in to say [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► well I understand how resolution audio [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► isn't for everybody I was disappointed [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► that you guys get the basic terminology [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► wrong given the technical bias either [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► show an audience a follow-up item [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► addressing the difference between bit [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► depth and bitrate would be appreciated [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► so basically so bitrate is how many bits [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► a an encoding scheme is using you know [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► usually per second to encode the total [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► music so in a lossy scheme this [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► basically like mp3 they would be like [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► 128 kilobits per second and that is just [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► like the quality level of the music that [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► you're getting it's it's how many bits [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► it will allocate to representing it and [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► usually the more bits you allocate to it [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► the higher quality you can achieve and [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► the less you have to throw away bit [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► depth is basically talking about how [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► precise the samples are everybody can [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► kind of picture what a wave looks like [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► you know that's how sound waves come in [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and represented in the uncompressed form [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► this actually doesn't apply to things [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► like mp3 quite the same way because the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► way the senator is represented is [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► different but basically when you're [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► looking at just a pure wave form and the [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► way that's represented in like a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► lossless file or a wave or or or AIFF [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► every sample of audio is and you have a [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► separate of like you know 44,100 samples [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► per second or whatever else represent us [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Hertz every one of those samples it's [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► representing the amp [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► to that wave as a number and the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► bit-depth is the precision of those [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► numbers so if it's 16-bit like CDs then [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that is represented by a 16-bit signed [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► integer if it's 24-bit you have more [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► bits if it's usually it I think a 24 or [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► I think beyond 24 it's always float and [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you have floating point presentations [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► and the reason these matter is that as [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► you're encoding the music to these [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► samples there you have to fit a number [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► the value that you're getting from like [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► the analog or whatever you have to fit [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► the value of that into this many bits of [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► a number per sample and so there's a [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► certain degree of rounding that happens [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► and a certain degree of error that's [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► introduced as part of that rounding if [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► you only have 16 bits then that's that [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► kind of limits your resolution of how [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► you know how precise of a number you can [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► represent there and so there's all sorts [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► of complicated things that go on in Dax [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► and ATC's about basically how you round [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► the numbers in such a way to minimize [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► the error or to hide the error and [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► different noise patterns and everything [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► else as you increase the error rate you [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► increase the noise floor so you ain't [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► you you reduce these signal-to-noise [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► ratio that's the difference between the [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► loudest sound you can hear and the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► quietest sound that can be represented [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► but you know below like the noise floor [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► so you basically increase like the [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► hislop the very bottom of the track the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► reason why audiophiles freaked out about [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► this is because when you go from 16-bit [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► - 24-bit which is where they usually go [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► the noise floor does drop considerably [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► there's a great Wikipedia article title [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► audio a bit depth you should check it [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► basically the noise floor at 24 bits for [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► four bit depth is 144 decibels and it's [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► 16 bits the regular CD standards only 96 [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► so that's a pretty big difference [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► however the reason that doesn't really [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► matter for the most part is that 96 [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► decibels of suitable noise ratio covers [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► the human audible hearing range pretty [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► well the actual human audible hearing is [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► just something like 120 decibels it [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► varies per person a little bit but it's [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► around a hundred mils so it actually [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► isn't representing the entire human [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► audible hearing range but it's [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like you don't want to turn your [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► speaker's up so loud that you're [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► actually damaging your eardrums like the [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► human hearing range can go much higher [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► in in volume than what you actually [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► should ever be listening to on a [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► sustained basis like that's like you [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► know a rock concert or a jet airplane [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► flying overhead or things about its if [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► you listen at any reasonable length to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► something that loud you're gonna damage [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► your hearing pretty quickly permanently [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► so 90s accessible zuv signal noise ratio [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► which is what you get from CD quality [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► 16-bit audio is good enough upon [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► listening where it matters is if you are [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► editing if you're proud if you're [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► recording like I record my end of the [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► show is 24-bit I record audio 24-bit [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► whenever I can or as float even whenever [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► I can with 32-bit usually because when [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► you're editing you're changing the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► numbers you're processing the audio and [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► so if you have rounding error over time [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► that could add up after you apply [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► certain number of like filters or [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► adjustments or anything like that and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► then that 96 decibels of noise floor [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► that was in the original signal once you [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► process it a few times and you're [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► rounding off the numbers a few more [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► times you might actually have more error [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► in the signal than that and the noise [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► floor might start to become audible so [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► we're higher bitrate audio makes sense [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► is in mastering and editing and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► recording but the final shift version [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► that you that you release to the public [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► or the version that you the listener are [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► listening to doesn't need to be more [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► than 16-bit for almost any reason [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► whatsoever [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► all right sorry that's all it says Oh [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► Marco that you you really care about [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► audio I don't understand where this [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► comes from if you want also there's a [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► wonderful video that explains a lot of [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► there's a guy Monty I think his full [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► name is Chris Montgomery he is you know [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the guy or one of the people who [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► invented the aw glorious audio codec and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► he has a lot of great explainers out [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► there about basically like why you don't [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► need higher than CD quality audio as a [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► listener and and explains a lot of the [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► stuff that I learned a lot from that and [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► it's my other research but I'll have [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► both these links in the show notes about [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► that video and the Wikipedia article on [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► audio bit depth excellent so we had a [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► couple of thoughts or listeners had a [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► couple of thoughts about the iPhone [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► crow knotch and I'm embarrassed to admit [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► that there's one thought that I didn't [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► consider so I'm in the camp that I think [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► not having seen anything of course that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it makes the most sense to to kind of [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► hide the knotch so hypothetically the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► area adjacent to the notch would be all [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► black so it all kind of blend together [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and it would just look like empty screen [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► in the center and it would look not too [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► dissimilar from the way a phone looks [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► today [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► but somebody maybe there's one of you [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► guys thought we'll okay smart guy what [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► happens when you go landscape and I [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► don't have a good answer for that I'm [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► really ashamed myself that I didn't even [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► think about this yeah until I saw this [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► in the show notes so Marco what do you [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► think about what happens when you put [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► this supposed phone in landscape so [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► obviously it depends on like how they [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► handle the notch in the in the UI [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► if the notch is basically hidden and you [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► just have like status bar black on left [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► and right and then you have like a [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► square window below it that takes of the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► rest of the screen which as I mentioned [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► previously that's what I kind of hope [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► they do if that's what they do then I [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► think it's pretty easy in landscape you [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► just leave those little strips black and [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► you don't use them at all that's [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► probably not what they will do I have a [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► feeling what they actually will do is [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► you know shove translucent UI under [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► those and have ways to actually you know [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► use it in a way that might be kind of [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► awkward now in landscape the only reason [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► I think anybody to use their phones in [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► landscape I think probably the big ones [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► are watching video although even that a [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► lot of people watch it in portrait [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► anyway just because they're they that's [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► how they are used to holding their [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► phones also certain games play in [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► landscape although again I think the [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► most successful ones playing portrait on [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► the phone and then the other thing as I [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► guess when you're when you're taking [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► video or shooting with the camera you [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► might rotate it so all those things [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► could they could make ways to to use the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► knotch [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► in a few clever ways like maybe a game [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► could show some controls in there maybe [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► the camera can show some controls in [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► there but I haven't feeling most of what [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► we're gonna see is basically going to be [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► in landscape the not just becomes black [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and you don't see it at all yeah I think [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► you can't can't do anything with the [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► knotch inland [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► escaped because anything that you would [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► think of doing would represent data loss [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► to the content in portrait the status [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► bar is not your content it's part of the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► UI so you can do whatever dance you want [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► to do with the status bar whether it you [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► know hides in there or the status bar is [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the blower ever but how if you're in [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► landscape and you're doing video or [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► something even if the OS lets you go [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► edge to edge and use the notches what if [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► you want to see what's under the camera [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► things it's like something's in my way I [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► can't I can't see what the camera [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► shooting there no maybe that's not [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► important was there was something that [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► was angry about oh I think it was like [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► QuickTime Player many years ago maybe [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► still now I don't know I still use [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► QuickTime Player seven but at one point [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► Apple I believe Apple released a video [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► player I think it was the QuickTime [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► Player [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► that would show video in a window with [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► rounded corners and it was like what's [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► like don't chop off the corner it's like [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► there's video in those corners why this [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► is a lot of video but there is video [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► there and just like no you don't need to [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► see that because it's more important for [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► this window to ever end of course than [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► for you to see the video that's in that [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► corner and I know it's just a small [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► thing but just on the principle it's [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like if you do that I don't even have [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► the option to see what's under the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► knotch [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► right so I think you have to just when [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► you go into landscape I feel like the OS [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► are just enforced entirely maybe games [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► come up with something clever like [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► little men climb on the knotch writer [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► than not just like a little gun turret [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► or something but McGee yeah cuz you can [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► incorporate it and be fun but it would [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► only work in this one model of phone [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► it's just so much safer to say when [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► anybody goes in landscape forget about [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► the notch we don't light up the pixels [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► on either side of it the thing is just [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► you know it's just a straight line down [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the edge I also saw by the way it's [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► another mock-up image for a while ago [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► showing screen real estate wise what do [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► you get with the edge to edge phone and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► I know this can't be true because this [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► one's got to be wider than the iPhone 7 [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► - but it was like basically trying to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► say you don't really get any new space [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► because all the new pixels on the bottom [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► are taken up essentially with the home [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► button area and whatever they're going [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► to do [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► there and this thing was assuming that [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► like the UI and navbar wasn't gonna [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► throw stuff there and in the top you've [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► got the notch and then you got a little [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► sliver of space and then you've got the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► normal iPhone sized screen in between [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► those two things and little sliver of [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► space was like look like a little status [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► bar so the idea was that I guess if you [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► had a non optimized for iPhone Pro [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► application it would show its status bar [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► below the knotch in the traditional way [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► because between the bottom of the notch [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► in the top of the software home button [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► area would be a screen that is the same [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► resolution as some existing a high phone [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► anyway that's that's the impression I [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► got from this image but the more I think [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► about them I think I can't possibly be [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the case because at the very least it [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► should be wider everything other stuff [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► but it would be weird if there was like [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► a backward compatibility mode for [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► unmodified apps that were not like notch [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► savvy you know what I mean like they [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► could they miss that you know he was [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► like that it's inelegant they took they [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► you know phone apps run it to X on your [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► iPad to this day and it looks terrible [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► and they zoom things that have not been [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► updated for the iPhone 5 for more like [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► they in the past they've done that and [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► it's been a good choice but it's like [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► look if people don't update their apps [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► will make them run as close as possible [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► to the way they used to run so the app [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► has no idea that is running a totally [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► new weird phone it just looks a little [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► bit strange but it's completely [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► compatible because we don't do anything [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► weird and I can imagine that happening [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► with with this new phone which will be [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► bad but I guess will motivate people to [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► incorporate the notch into their [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► applications fair enough now why bother [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► having the notch in the first place [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► again this is one of my thoughts why are [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► we doing this way I have a notch like [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the edge to edge screen alright yeah we [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► won't have an edge miscreant but why do [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► we have to have a notch of that you can [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► go all the way to the left it all went [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► to the right edge and all the way to the [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► bottom edge all you had to do is not go [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► all the way to the top edge instead of [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► having a notch you have a presumably [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► very thin little forehead it would still [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► be a quote-unquote edge to edge screen [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► as compared to all I phones previously [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► would have very large chins and for [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► Red's right the the notch is [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► asymmetrical and so with the the the [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► skinny little forehead version but it [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► would last a symmetrical John the notch [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► I mean well but you know the whole point [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► is there's something that's Hoppus out [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► on the bottom whether it's a skinny [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► thing if something's happen anyway and [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► it would just it would just eliminate an [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► entire class we would solve our problems [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► so presumably Apple has done a lot of [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► work in the OS and then the frameworks [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► figuring out the answers to all these [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► questions that we're just guessing at [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► now right they've done they've figured [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► out answers to all of these they've [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► decided what they're gonna do in all [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► these different cases tested [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► applications test the new API so you can [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► be notch savvy and do all this stuff [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► right all that work would go away if [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► they just made the notch go from edge to [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► edge but I guess the phone wouldn't look [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► as cool and then you know I don't know [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► like does anyone else have a notch [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► example gonna be the first night run I [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► know there are phones out there that [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► already look like edge to edge screen [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► both a little skinny for head so maybe [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► Apple just didn't want to look like that [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► one of those things where if Apple was [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► like other companies and like you could [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► they have like interviews with the [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► designer it's like you get the whole [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► team that design the new iPhone and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► they'd help to do a big article and like [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► wired or something and be like tell me [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► about your motivation for design there [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► and they would like explain why they [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► went with the knotch [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► right but we never get those reasons [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► just like this is the phone here it is [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► maybe there's a sentence and a key note [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► about it which Apple never ever [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► elaborate on yeah like so we just have [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► to wait 20 years for the tell-all books [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► but it's a bit of a head-scratcher for [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► me because I think it looks cool to [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► notch I think there's gonna be some [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► interesting possibilities there but it [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► is a heck of a lot of work and it seems [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► like a stopgap like if we're gonna have [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► not just forever presumably whatever [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► tech issues necessitate the knotch will [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► diminish over time either your old embed [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► those sensors someplace else or you'll [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► be able to make such a skinny forehead [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► that it won't even be a far heaven would [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► just be like thing goes to edge to edge [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► or I don't know the good that this is [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► not the permanent state of what like [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► well all future iPhones have notches for [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► the next seven years there's gonna be [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► notches from here to there but I dunno I [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► kept doing all this work with the OS and [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► everything it seemed like a waste if [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► it's just like there [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► the time we rejiggered all the the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► frameworks in the west of this one phone [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► and it was the only one that ended up [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► having a notch I don't know we'll find [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► out in the fall I guess yeah this is [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► this is why what I want to happen [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► although I don't think this is what will [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► happen again but what I want to happen [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► here is I want the notch to to basically [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► be invisible in the software like I want [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► it to just have a status bar on left and [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► right then then you you get the extra 20 [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► point height that the status bar would [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► have taken up in the main screen you can [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► shove that up and in you know into this [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► little side area where there is no [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► center but you can rearrange status bar [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► and in the application frame is just [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► everything below that I would love that [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► was the solution [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► I don't want as a user and as a [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► programmer of apps for this thing and as [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► a designer of the app I do not want to [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► have to deal with the knotch [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► I think it will be clunky and weird and [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► I think it will look weird as a user I'm [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► not looking forward to that at all and I [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► do think it looks like an inelegant hack [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► and if Samsung would have released that [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► knotch [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► and Apple didn't we'd make fun of them [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► for it that's exactly the kind of thing [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► we'd be like oh you guys are bad at [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► design look at those stupid knotch just [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► like the flea and like the flat tire [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► moto 360 watch like we made fun of that [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► relentlessly everyone in Apple world did [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► because that was that was like a bad [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► design hack to get around a physical [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► shortcoming I don't see how the notch is [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► any different that looks like a bad [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► design hack to get her in a facility or [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► coding domain again we'll see what [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► happens when when we see the final [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► software but I really do not want the UI [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► in any way to wrap around that except [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► the status bar in a way that you barely [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► even notice but because of that leaked [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► image from the home hot firmware showing [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that knotch as like the recognizable [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► iconic shape of this phone that's the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► reason I'm concerned that they're not [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► doing it that way now let's ben lock [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► screen like i said it may yeah maybe [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► just the lockscreen that that wouldn't [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► be too bad but if it's any other parts [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► of the UI like if they scroll [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► translucent bars under there or anything [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► with that i really i don't think i'm [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► going to like that that again it seems [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► like that seems like a bad design hack [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► not good design [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► so people that chatroom are posting [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► pictures of of course android phones [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► that have their own little notches the [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► one they're saying showing here it's a [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► very tiny notch it just wraps around one [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► low [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► facing camera cuz obviously the you know [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► what is uh the the new phone supposedly [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► have a notch instead of just this little [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► tiny button like cut out because it's [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► got to have more than just a camera [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► there maybe they'll have two front [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► facing cameras certainly it's got the IR [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► sensor for depths of the face stuff like [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► who knows what's in that notch but it [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► can't be smallest but anybody as in all [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► things Android phones have done first so [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► I think actually Simpsons did a first [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► round then opera hopper that Simpsons [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► did it is the line opera did it first is [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► that joke so I think opera wins this one [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► did you really just well actually mean [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► the sad part is right we are sponsored [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► this week by Eero go to Iran calm and [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► use code ATP for free overnight shipping [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► Wi-Fi when you only have one router just [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► doesn't cover houses very well because [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Wi-Fi waves don't go through walls as [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► well as I go through open spaces and you [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► get these dead zones and everything else [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► euro is designed to solve that problem [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► because businesses and schools and [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► campuses have done this for a long time [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► they use multiple access points and if [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► you did this for your home it was a very [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► very complicated before euro euro makes [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► it incredibly easy to have a distributed [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► Wi-Fi system enterprise-grade Wi-Fi in [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► your home with the easiest setup of any [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► system I've ever seen all you do you [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► plug it in you use their app on your [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► iPhone or your Android phone and sets it [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► up and you have to do literally almost [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► nothing so you get the one main unit and [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► they've actually just updated their [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► hardware the old ones are great too but [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► they just did the generation 2 system so [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► this has the main unit which is now [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► tribe and as twice and twice as fast as [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► the first one has hold a radio you have [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► these now these secondary units they [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► used to be the same as the as the main [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► unit now they have these little ones [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► called beacons and they are even smaller [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► even simpler they look like kind of just [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► slightly larger than a night light and [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► you just plug it in sits flush in your [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► outlet it looks amazing it's tiny it's [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► unobtrusive they even actually have [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► night lights in the bottom of the [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► beacons look is pretty cool so if you [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► put it like in a hallway or anything and [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► it makes it so easy to place anywhere [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► and that covers the whole house and they [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► don't have to be wired to each other [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► only the first one has to be wired to [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► your home's internet connection [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► and the other ones you just they [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► distribute the Wi-Fi with a mesh network [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► between themselves so you don't have to [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► worry about running Ethernet wires to [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► your access points or anything else it's [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► super super easy with the new second [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► generation and the ear a beacon [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► performance is even better the looks or [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► even nicer and it's even smaller what [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► you need is this kind of system single [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► routers are not good enough anymore they [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► don't cover houses we all know that they [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► we've all done that for years no matter [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► how many antennas you put on one it [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► doesn't cover everything an euro is by [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► far the easiest way to do this I've ever [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► seen so check it out they have great [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► support if you need it they have great [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► pricing go to Eero calm and use promo [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► code ATP to get free overnight shipping [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► thanks to ero for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► anyway [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► wisdom camera kerimov of 1password i [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► believe a co-founder if I'm not mistaken [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► has a written blog post to say among [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► other things one password 7th windows [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► will be getting support for standalone [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► vaults which is the thing that started [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► the big kerfuffle a few weeks ago also [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► WLAN sync and different license related [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► information John any other thoughts you [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► want to add on this no just that this is [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► another in that pattern we've seen for a [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► couple of a couple of years now that [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► like a company will change some part of [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► its product either the features or the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► business model or both and then a bunch [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► of people get angry about it and then [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► there's always it's always the follow-up [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► we're like they've incorporated the [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► feedback from their customers like they [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► you know they were taken by surprise by [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► how you know angry people are about a [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► particular thing and they all right well [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► we can change that you know to reassure [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► people that like we're not gonna you [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► know the description thing is not going [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► to take away your ability to have all [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► your stuff locally you don't have to use [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► the cloud so on and so forth so looks [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► like they are doing the right things [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► yeah I saw a lot of feedback about this [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► a lot of people talked about well if if [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► everything goes subscription then I'm [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► not gonna have any money for anything [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► anymore and I don't know I feel like we [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► should address that perhaps again I [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► don't know what did we talk about this [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► Marko covered it the last time we talked [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► I agree it's fresh in my mind it's fresh [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► in my mind I listen to those shows just [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► recently did [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► but yeah like it is it's kind of a [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► slippery slope argument but so far it [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► hasn't happened and it there is a [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► there's a natural counterbalance which [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► is well if people don't like it they [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► won't buy it and if they don't buy it [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► people won't do it like so it's you know [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► there's there aren't many forces in the [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► mix here that are going to cause this [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► dystopia to happen despite the fact that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► users don't want it like it's possible [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► for there to be countervailing forces [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► for example if Apple said hey guess what [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► the only way you could sell plication is [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► in the app course it's a subscription [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► but that that's not the way things are [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► so I it's not not time to be worried [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► about it now don't like it don't buy it [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► exactly exactly what I was gonna say if [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► something if something that you you like [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► but don't love suddenly become [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► subscription then guess what you're you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► have an option which is not to get a [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► subscription that's okay the one thing I [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► will say though is that the the if if a [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► app goes from not subscription to [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► subscription like there's no way around [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► that that's going to happen from time to [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► time and that is tough right because [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► here it is you thought you paid for [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► something in some cases that that you [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► would have for a while although you [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► should not have expected that you have [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► it forever and then the the cost changes [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► and that's a bummer like the I don't [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► mean to be sarcastic all at all about [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► that that really is a bummer but there's [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► different trade-offs to like that one [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► person who said like what if I lose my [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► job I don't want to also lose all my [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► programs because I can't afford to pay [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► their monthly bills anymore [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► well you know that's the smile I lose my [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► job I don't want to lose cable TV [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► because they can't afford the bill [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► well you know it's like well I need this [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► offer to do my job like there presumably [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► every single application an entire [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► category won't be subscription right or [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► even if it is maybe they'll have varying [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► subscriptions and right now the [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► subscriptions are like three bucks a [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► month so I feel like if you can't script [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► you know three dollars a month you have [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► much bigger problems than not being able [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► to use your graphics program to produce [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► spec work which you shouldn't be doing [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► anyway to get your next job so anyway [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► you know in times of hardship many [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► things are difficult from paying your [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► rent to your food your health insurance [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► your software licenses are just another [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► one of those potential things that could [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► be a problem but you know if there's a [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► need for this then if this is a real [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► problem [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► someone will fill it by selling a [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► program for a fixed price [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► and you know selling upgrades in the [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► traditional way or going into business [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► because they can't sustain their one [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► application but hey you've got it until [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► it stops working I mean there's always [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► options to like you know look at what [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► like high school kids and college kids [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► and people in developing countries like [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► there's a lot of markets of people who [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► can't afford a bunch of software [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► licenses or subscriptions and they find [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► other options [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► piracy maybe he's not the best option [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► but it's certainly a widespread one a [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► much better option is free software [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► alternatives almost every kind of task [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► you can do in a computer today has some [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► kind of free software alternative to the [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► big-name one Photoshop Illustrator you [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► know audio processing stuff like all [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► that like almost all these like big [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► creative apps or productivity apps they [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► almost all have freeware alternatives [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► free open-source if not just you know [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► free alternatives and not to mention you [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► know the all the stuff built into the OS [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► is these days or doing things on on iOS [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► and Android where the apps cost very [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► very little money usually and usually [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► you you you know buy it once if anything [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► and it's free and you can do a lot of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► free stuff there or we do a lot of [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► inexpensive stuff there with tools that [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► are really good these days like there's [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► lots of options now I think that I think [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► the D like I can't afford all my [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► software subscriptions thing is mostly a [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► complaint from people who very much [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► can't afford them and are just looking [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► for a reason to be upset about a pricing [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► change because when you change the [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► business model that's when people get [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► upset it matters a lot less what you [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► change it to then the fact that you [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► changed it and people feel may be [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► surprised or caught off guard by that or [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► feel like they're being taken advantage [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► of like after the fact you're changing [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► the deal you know after the fact you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► know I know pray you don't sort of [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► further etc I don't again I don't think [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► this is a real issue I I don't think [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► this is something that anybody is [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► actually facing hardship over in any [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► real numbers this is people complaining [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► who very much can't afford it and and [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► are just mad and for the people who [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► truly can't afford it there's lots of [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► great options out there that are either [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► inexpensive or free and many of them are [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► built into the OS you already have and [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► whatever isn't you can get in your App [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► Store of choice or your online [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► repository of software of choice [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► for very little money or nothing usually [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► because this is not like people use [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► computers without paying for things on [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► them for a very long time this is this [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► is a solved problem in so many ways all [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► ero wants to know is there any reason [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► not to use the built-in calibration [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► tools on the Apple TV you can get to [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► that from the opportunity settings audio [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► and video calibrate you can use them but [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► they're terrible I mean like they're [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► terrible they're limited like I think at [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► all it does is like screen bounds and [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► maybe like one other thing like it [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► doesn't do all the color or white [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► balance greyscale brightness contrast [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► you know doesn't do all that stuff if [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► they want to improve that in a future [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► version TV also would be great but the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► current one and I believe the one in the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► the betas it still does very limit it's [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► better than nothing so by all means do [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► it in so you can see if you're in a case [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► you like situation where you're missing [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► half the pixels on your screen because [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► not half but some portion of the pixels [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► on your screen because you have your [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► thing an over scan mode and that may [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► make you sad to know that but beyond [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► that you still need the calibration it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► fine fine [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► all right apparently Samir Mizrahi [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► listens to our show or at least that's [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► what I'm going to claim because mere [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► weeks maybe even a few days after we had [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► discussed how frustrating it is to hear [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► the first song in your library every [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► time you reconnect the ax Bluetooth this [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► this individual has released a single on [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► iTunes called aaaa a very good song and [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► it is it's a little less than 10 minutes [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► of silence because apparently any more [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► than 10 minutes and iTunes charges you [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► for a whole album and the idea is [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► because it's a space a space a space a [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► space a space very good song it is very [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► likely to be the very first song in your [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► in your library so every time you plug [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► in your phone or start bluetooth or [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► what-have-you you don't hear the same in [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► my case track by olya every single time [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► so this is an absolutely brilliant [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► solution to a problem that none of us [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► should really have my favorite thing [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► about this is how far up the charts it [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► was climbing like we saw some articles [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► in there I don't have anything hand [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► unfortunately cuz I'm a slacker on [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► vacation but like it was it was [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► noticeably ranking on the iTunes top [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► singles chart somewhere why you're not [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► allowed to start with like a spacer you [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► know a punctuation character or number [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► or all the other things that would have [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► sorted before the A's because I feel [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► like now now this is now you've started [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► a war now for who can be the earliest [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► try no don't get that AAA track you need [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► my track which is one one one I'll get [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► money it's it's space space space [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► exclamation point anyway well I feel [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► like that's kind of like a like a [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► million dollar homepage problem like [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► anybody else who tries the same thing is [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► it's not gonna get anywhere yeah I I'm [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► just thanked for sorting purposes not [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► for like actually selling the thing um [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► but you know everyone sent us this [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► obviously but it doesn't solve the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► problem at all in fact I think it makes [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► it worse the fact that it sound makes it [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► worse because if I had this track I [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► would be like waiting and thinking am i [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► hearing the silent track or is it just [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► taking a long time to start playing like [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► is it launching overcast in the [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► background or and like you know the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► problem is not I keep hearing the first [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► you know few notes of a song because the [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► alphabet be alphabetically first song in [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► my playlist I like it's a good song and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► I'm not sick of it because I never [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► listened it the whole thing I frustrated [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► by the fact that it has picked the wrong [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► source and by the way after I said like [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► most of the time that's the right thing [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► maybe 15 percent of the time I get the [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► wrong thing [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► this thing is taken revenge on me and my [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► last like 50 trips in the car one [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► percent of the time and I started [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► playing music even if I was just playing [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I don't know if it's overcast beta is [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► crashing or I don't know what the hell's [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► going on but anyway it's really bad for [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► me wait there is no current beta you [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► should be using the App Store version [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► well that's the problem do I have a [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► little dot next overcast on my phone [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► it's a bug right now I do I do get rid [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► of that alright anyway maybe that's my [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► problem but either way this this crack [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► would not solve my problem in I mean [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► what did she really be as a voice that [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► says it happened again you you thought [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► different audio we were playing but [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► instead it's playing this song from your [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► playlist pull over safely and then [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► fiddle with your phone don't try to do [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► it while you're driving because [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► you'll run somebody over or you'll die [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► but you'd be sick of hearing that bottom [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► line is there is no safe track to put [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► there and I don't think the silence [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► solves the problem I think it makes it [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► worse but more power to this person for [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► seven people [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► the sounds of silence all right I don't [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► know how to sell music on iTunes but can [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► we cut that out and actually try this [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► and then be the way to solve this I know [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► we have some listeners inside of Apple I [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► don't know how high up they go but the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► way to solve this is to somehow get a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► hold of Johnny Ives or Tim Cook's iPhone [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► and sync a single track to it that is a [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► renamed version of some very annoying [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► song that is renamed to be like a Abe's [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► me I don't know the the the the [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► possibilities are endless of what's [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► honest could be [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► you know something something really that [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► would really dread the most this problem [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► will get solved in the next version of [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► iOS it fails Karl just B can innovate [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► more my ass on a loop my word so we [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► actually did get some feedback about [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► this and this individual rate wrote to [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► say Bluetooth has two major ways to [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► start playback in a car the good old [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► simple Play command and a newer set of [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► advanced browsing commands that allows [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► the car to control the apps and navigate [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► the media library on the phone with a [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► play command the active media player is [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► chosen by the phone and that from time [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► to time gets a little buggy according to [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► this person it is quite likely that this [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► whole little subsystem was written by [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► one person who may have then been moved [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► somewhere else within Apple and who even [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► knows but with the new browsing stuff [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► then the car can decide how it wants to [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► select you know like the active media [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► player and in a playlist and an album [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► and blah blah blah and so now you're [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► letting the car make choices that it [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► probably shouldn't be making and so that [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► makes everything a little bit dodgy so [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► this is this is surely in part apples [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► fault but it is not by necessity [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► entirely apples fault depending on the [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► car depending on how its connecting etc [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► etc etc where sponsor was week by [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► aftershocks bone conduction headphones [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► go to ATP aftershocks calm to learn more [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► aftershokz headphones work by bone [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► conduction so these small transducers [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► rest in front of your ears not inside or [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► around them like most headphones and [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► they send mini vibrations through your [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► cheek bones directly to your inner ear [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► totally bypasses your ears and your [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► eardrums so unlike every other kind of [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► headphone bone conduction leave your [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► ears completely open with nothing in [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► them so for a lot of people like me we [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► can't wear earbuds or in-ear monitors do [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► they get physically uncomfortable in our [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► ear canals aftershocks don't have this [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► problem because nothing is sitting in [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► your ear and because they don't cover [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► your ear I find them far less sweaty [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► than regular headphones in the summer [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► time and they're even ip55 certified for [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► water-resistant so you can you can run [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► with them in the rain or you can just [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► sweat all [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► them all gross and it's totally fine I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► have found that I use these more than [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► any other headphones in the summertime [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► in fact I'm on vacation right now for a [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► few weeks and I brought only these [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► headphones for walking all other [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► portable headphones I've left at home [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► because I will I only want to use these [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► here because I'm walking a lot and using [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► these multiple hours a day I'm sweating [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► a lot I'm sometime using them in the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► rain and it's totally fine and the great [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► thing about it is that because nothing [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► blocks your ears at all you hear the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► whole world around you so you can be [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► walking or you know maybe cycling or [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► running where you really want to hear [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► the world around you for safety reasons [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► or just to enjoy it and you need [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► something that doesn't block your ear [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► and that's what bone conduction is great [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► at it's also great if you want to listen [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► around the house you know if you want to [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► like take a phone call because you know [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► these are obviously a Bluetooth they can [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► do phone calls if you want to take a [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► phone call with them and maybe you want [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► to hear if anything happens in your [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► house and the process you can do that [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► too and so if I'm honest the downsides [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► here are there aren't the best for sound [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► quality and they don't get very loud if [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► you're in a very loud environment [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► because they're so open to the world if [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► you're in like a like a subway station [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► these wouldn't be the pick for you but [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► they're amazing for walking around [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► outside for any kind of exercise use for [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► around the house and anymore anything [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► you want it you want to hear the world [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► around you that's where the aftershocks [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► are great and again they're so awesome [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► for minimizing sweatiness too so the [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► aftershocks tracks titanium that I use [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► here retails for one hundred and thirty [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► bucks [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► listeners can get can get a pair for [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► yourself for just $100 90-95 by visiting [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► ATP aftershocks calm that is ATP [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► aftershocks calm [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► thanks to aftershocks for sponsoring our [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► show [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► apparently SKT P is really a thing you [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► were John I think you'd said you wanted [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► it to be a thing in Marco you might have [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► said the same all right it apparently [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► it's a thing [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► well the question is where does it go [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► does it go after follow-up or does it go [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► after topics or does it go in the after [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► show where does it go no I think it goes [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► after follow-up it sounds good I think [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► that was right you always don't want to [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► keep us away from our topics that we [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► have long asked eighty people less [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► likely to get topics you know what we [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► could do John now down stick with me [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► here I know this is wild we could we [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► could have a little bit less follow-up [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► we just did I just did do that [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► are you sure we've been recording 45 [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► minutes I didn't an item about talking [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► about bit-depth for 20 minutes I was [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► Margo that was in 20 minutes anyway [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► Cain asks how do you guys sync your home [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► directories between your Macs and I will [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► go first I don't I use Dropbox for a [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► handful of things but generally speaking [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► it's all in the cloud man so who cares [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► same yeah I don't like my home directory [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► that's not a thing I mean I doubt many [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► people do that I think there used to be [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► a way to know I'm thinking of the server [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► thing never mind anyway when people do [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► is they just use cloud stuff whether [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► it's an iCloud Drive or Dropbox and [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► that's the stuff that syncs but they [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► don't stick their entire home [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► directories and it probably wouldn't be [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► a good idea to sync your entire home [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► directories because probably in the [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► library directory in your home directory [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► there's crap that is machine specific [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► somewhere lurking in there so you [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► probably don't want to do a naive full [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► sync of your entire home directory and [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► in general think is really hard to get [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► right and don't try setup something [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► yourself to do it because you'll just [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► end up posing yourself and you'll be set [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► fair enough this is a truly great [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► question which outside of the obvious I [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► don't have a really good answer to so [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► the question is from let me get a full [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► name if I can [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Peter cam Peter cam asks what's one [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► piece of old tech that is still in use [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► not hidden in an attic and I think he's [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► really talking to you John due to [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► superior qualities or retro joy so for [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► example CRT TV old video game consoles [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► iPods etc I will start again the obvious [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► answer to this is that I have a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► turntable that I still use almost daily [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► however I just received that turntable [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► as a Christmas present and it was brand [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► new at the time so it is it is old [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► technology however it is a new device in [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► terms of old technology that's still in [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► use I I can't think of anything offhand [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► I'm sure there's something I'm not [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► debating that I have something barbaric [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► and old that I still use but darned if I [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► can think of what it would be [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► so marking one first last time John [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► anything old that's outside of your [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► attic I was going to say my plasma TV [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► but that's not superior quality anymore [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► it's not retro joy so I guess that's [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► probably just the example of something [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► old [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► my consoles are probably it I have a [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► bunch of old console hooked up journey [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► on ps4 helps me not have to use my ps3 [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► for that but if want to play ego or [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► Shadow of the Colossus I still have to [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► use the ps3 so it is still connected to [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► my TV there's gonna be a ps4 our port [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► I shall of the Colossus leaving only eco [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► like my ps3 is hanging on same thing [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► with my wii which is basically used to [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► play GameCube games most of the time [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► almost all my old consoles are still [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► hooked up it's kind of gonna be a shame [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► when I eventually get a 4k TV because I [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► doubt the 4k TV will have component [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► video input to which I can connect my [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► Gamecube so I have to buy some kind of [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► adapter and then I probably go ahead and [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► don't even bother right same thing with [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► the Wii I have we got component video [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► going into my TV I don't have to buy an [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► adapter for that as well but for now [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► yeah I got a lot of old consoles like [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► them you know I should point out that a [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► mark Marco is probably going to say the [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► same thing I I forgot about which is I [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► do have a mechanical watch that is also [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► not terribly old but I do like using it [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► when I'm dressing up for something [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► special [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► so now that I've stolen your Thunder [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► Marco what about you honestly that was [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► that was what I was thinking of as like [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► the the best thing I could say here most [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► of the things that I use are you know [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► like I the things I thought I use that [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► are actually like quote old and tech [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► terms are not old enough to be [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► interesting so like I'll have like you [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► know like an old speaker ramp that you [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► know for my desk or something but that's [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► like you know old a desk an old desktop [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► computer speaker ramp being like six [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► years old you know or like for a while I [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► was using a my first fujitsu scansnap [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► scanner which I got about nine years ago [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► but I actually replaced that about last [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► year because it I was tired of replacing [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► the rollers and the new ones were [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► superfast and so I just got a new one [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah for me I think the best answer here [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► is mechanical watches it's it's not a [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► very interesting answer and it's not a [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► new answer for people who have heard me [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► talk ever so that's why I kind of wanted [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► I Warnock was been better but I wasn't [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► able to I do have mechanical watches [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► that are somewhat old my oldest one is [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► from 1968 so that's fairly old so I [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► guess that counts [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► awesome and that's the end of a sketchy [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► fee for this week topics Johnny really [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► gonna let me get away with this so it's [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► so fast it's a really quick one it's a [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► really quick one that's not the question [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► how many questions that we do I just did [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► three because that's how many I could [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► put before I ran out of time before the [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► show so Chris Johnson thank you Chris [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► writes in blah blah destiny - blah blah [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► blah try again [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► which destiny to class and subclass will [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► you start with have a nsobject and let's [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► see some beautiful set I like that one [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► they dropped the Enna's prefix man yeah [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► so I'm going to do I was a warlock main [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► in destiny one [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► I barely I had to tighten that my son [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► played and a hunter that I barely played [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► I did level the Titan in hunter up so [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► they will be ported over that's [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► twenty-two along with my warlock but I'm [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► gonna be world like me and destiny too [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► and I'm probably gonna start with Don [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► blade because it's the new one was any [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► of that English because it didn't sound [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► people know sort of asked ATP a rousing [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► success thing and I had to rush to get [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► the things in there and between trying [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► to get my kids and my dog settle down [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► British so feel free to I'm pulling from [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that same she'd feel free to pull your [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► own questions in there and throw them in [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► the little section you know the right [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► answer which will never work but the [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► rightest answer is for each of us to [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► pull our favorite question each week but [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► I guarantee Marco will forget and or not [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► care and I give myself one chance in [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► three eventually remembering pull [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► questions and throw them in there but [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► you know maybe we wouldn't have the [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► section at all if I hadn't remembered it [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► so that's true oh where would we be [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► without you John [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► and speaking of John tell us about this [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► kerfuffle with Google and this diversity [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► memo which I'm not sure is even the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► right way to describe it yeah the salton [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► kind of news by now but we haven't [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► recorded in a long time and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► there in the world of politics and [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► discrimination there is newer news but [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► it is not really tech related but this [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► certainly is tech related it's a story [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► that everybody probably knows by now the [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► Google employee wrote I don't know why [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► they call it a memo I guess the old [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► parlance wrote a big thing sort of [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► talking to Google internally saying [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► we're all Googlers here here's what I [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► think about what the company is doing [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► and here's my opinion on it so on and so [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► forth and it caused a big stink we will [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► put a link to the document in the show [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► notes on the off chance that you haven't [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► already read it it's not that long but [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like oh it's ten pages and the grand [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► scheme of things it's not that long [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► because we don't pay doesn't the web you [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► just scroll and also what we'll have in [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the show notes are what I think are some [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► of the best responses to the Google [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► thing so anyway at the impact of the [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► story here being a to summarize in chief [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► and Casey doing this the upshot is that [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► the person who wrote this was fired [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► because it contained I forget what the [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► phrasing was but it contains a bunch of [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► ideas and opinions that are counter to [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► the way Google operates and then people [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► are angry that the person got fired and [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► people argued on the internet about and [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► so on and so forth again this is a well [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► covered story and I feel like if you [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► don't know we're talking about or don't [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► or have only read one or two things [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► about just read you know the five links [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► that we put in there feel like you will [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► have covered the range of what people [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► how people react to it but on this show [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► what I wanted to talk about you guys can [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► feel free to take whatever angle you [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► want on this thing is the idea that [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► people dismissed the memo that people [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► like read it and where we just didn't [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► didn't address it at all didn't take it [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► seriously they just dismissed it out of [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► hand and a lot of people were angry [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► about that like why won't you engage [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► with this why won't you talk about the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► ideas lots of yelling about like someone [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► said something bad about it but you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► didn't even talk about any of the points [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► that are in the memo like why are you [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► being so dismissive and I understand [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► where people are coming from with that [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► but I think there is an explanation and [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► it's a frustrating explanation but it's [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► something you know you encounter again [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► and again nothing when I read that memo [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► nothing in it was new because I had seen [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► every idea put forward to the memo many [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► many times before because there weren't [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► a lot of new I don't want any new ideas [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► in there everything in there is [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► something that someone else has said in [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► the very similar form many many many [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► many many times in the past and if you [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► enter any field whatever it is whether [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► it's woodworking programming diversity [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► whatever it is and you lay out all your [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► opinions but you are not an expert in [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► the field chance especially if you say [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► something controversial or you're [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► addressing some point that is a point of [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► contention chances are very good that [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► the people who have been arguing about [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► the same topic and who have studied this [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► topic and you know we're just like our [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► well versed in this topic chances are [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► very good that they've heard everything [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► you're going to say before and they've [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► argued about it amongst themselves for [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► years and years and years and so when [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► you come out with this thing and they [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► roll their eyes and dismiss you it's [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► because to them it's like the nine [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► hundred times someone is saying exact [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► same things and they've already been [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► discussed but from the outside it's like [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► how why are you not addressing my points [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► I feel like I have important things to [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► say here and how can like it's how can [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► you just dismiss me it's not a valid [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► argument obviously I'm you know maybe [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► I'm writing you're just afraid to [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► address my block this is gonna happen no [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► matter what the topic is [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► and I mean and well in some ways you [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► have to recognize like where you are on [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► the in the range of knowledge about this [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► topic am I do I have a PhD in this topic [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► have I studied this topic for 50 years [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► and a well-versed in all the literature [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► and like or am I just somebody who [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► thought about this for the past year or [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► two and has some ideas like you're never [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► you know and maybe he said they [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► shouldn't dismiss me and what they [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► should do is if someone is [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► novice and says something that has been [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► said before then please tell me point by [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► laborious point bring me up to speed on [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► the state of the art in this area of [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► study that's not a reasonable request [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► because then it's like everybody who [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► stumbles into a math forum and says I [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► just think I've you know what about this [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► and have you guys ever thought of that [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► they gotta teach you all the math you [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► need to know to get but the point you [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► realize the thing that you're saying has [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► been discussed many times before and [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► like either proven or disproven or [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► you're the different you know like it's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► that's not a valid position I know a [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► little bit about something and I have an [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► opinion and here's this thing and [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► they're like oh well we've seen people [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► say that thing a million times we've [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► already discussed it amongst ourselves [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► and we already know what everyone else [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► in the field thinks about this we don't [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► have time to bring you up to speed on [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► the this entire field of study and that [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► feels like you're being dismissed and so [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► I understand why people are angry the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► guy who wrote it's angry about being [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► dismissed people who sympathize with [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► what is in the thing are angry that that [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► this thing is dismissed they feel like [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► you know you know whatever it's being [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► silenced no one's taking him seriously [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► or whatever now first of all that's like [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that's an initial reaction but second [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► all these links in the show notes sure [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► that's not true that some some poor [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► people went there and just went point by [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► laborious point and tried mightily to [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► explain and these aren't even experts in [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► the field for the most part these are [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► just people who didn't happen to know a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► little bit more or have a little bit of [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► clearer you know train of thinking about [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► this or really just even if they have no [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► expertise in the field but have been [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► around the block a few times and ever [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► argued on the internet a few times thing [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► and say listen I don't even know [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► anything about this subject but I can [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► tell you memo writer that you have no [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► idea what you're doing [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► like you know that even without knowing [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► anything about this topic I can see that [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► your points don't connect and you're [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► doing a bad job arguing this and again [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► if you if you argued on Usenet in the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► 90s if you argued in person in you know [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► college campuses in the 80s and 70s and [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► 60s like you know the person who wrote [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► this memo you know they're thinking you [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► know what they're saying you you [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► recognize their their enthusiasm and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► fervor and like just this is the thing [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► about getting old like everything slows [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► down and you [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► goes bad and your eyes get worse and [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► just all sorts of bad things happen but [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► there's something to that wisdom thing [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► hey I mean that wisdom maybe it's just [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► experience like that's why and all sorts [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► of sci-fi things when there's a really [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► old creature like they're always just [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► like a like you've seen it all right and [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► I know that's like the worst thing it's [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► like you know that itself is a logical [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► fallacy like a you know appeal to [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► Authority or you should trust me because [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► I know a lot about this topic but but [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► it's not what it is it's more like just [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► exhaustion like if pressed if the fate [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► of the universe depended on it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► experts in the field could take this [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► person into a room and over the course [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► of the next 20 years educate them to the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► point where they understand what is [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► wrong with this memo right and I feel [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► like that should be the goal of a lot of [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► you know if you trust that this is the [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► case and I'm not just like blowing smoke [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► but that the goal should be like if you [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► if you read this memo and you think that [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► there are some good solid points in [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► there your goal should be to learn more [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► about it heal until you get on the same [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► page with everyone else who sees this [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► for what it is or learn so much about it [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► that you actually reveal the real truth [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► of it that nobody knows right but I can [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► tell you this memo is not the real truth [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► but the nobody knows because this memo [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► are the same tired ideas that have been [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► discussed again and again and again by [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► people in every single field related to [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► this all right [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► and that like again this this is the [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► meta point and people like they don't [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► want to hear it and there's no way to [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► convince them of it or not I'm not [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► really here to convince people that this [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► is the case but like that's why people [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► get angry about that's why it feels [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► frustrating and I want I'm trying to [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► stay working the topic itself because I [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► want people to understand this is gonna [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► be true when you come in and tell people [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► about a particular kind of glue putting [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► remote control boats and the remote [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► control bolt builders have discussions [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► about this kind of glue 50 years ago and [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► they just roll their eyes and be like [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► look I know it seems like that kind of [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► glue is the kind of glue you want to use [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► I know you have a lot of information [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► that you think supports your idea that [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► kind of loses the trust me we've been [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► debating this glue for 50 years and 25 [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► years ago we all came to this conclusion [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► and we revisit this topic room time [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► decided to see if things have changed [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► but they haven't and you're wrong and we [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► don't have time to explain to you [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► laborious and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► again glue for model boats is much [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► simpler than this topic right so that's [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that's my reaction as a tired old person [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► who is beaten down by even worse things [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► happening and in the world right that I [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► see this I see the young person who is [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► writing it I know where that person is [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► coming from I know that person it and [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I've seen you know these exact arguments [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► on these exact specific topics and it is [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► depressing to have to have this argument [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► again it's depressing this these tired [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► ideas get any kind of traction and yet [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► people go out of their way to do the [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► hard work to explain to this person and [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► to anybody who reads this something I [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► like to explain to the world like you [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► know isn't that your job to educate me [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► about but not really but we're gonna do [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► it anyway because we know it's you know [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► it's it's what we have to do something [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► we can't just let us stand as it is so [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► many many people did you know tried to [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► explain what's wrong with this and I'm [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► not going to try to explain it here [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► because I feel like the problem is topic [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► a lot of times on the show is any kind [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► of pockets like this is I think what I [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► described in the hypercritical days as [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► having a slow-motion argument with the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► internet one-sided slow-motion argument [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► where you'll say a bunch of stuff but [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► there's no one on the show who'd [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► actually is there disagree with you so [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► you can actually have a debate so you [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► have to debate the hypothetical person [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► who's out there and then you put the [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► podcast out into the world man you wait [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► a week and a bunch of people reply and [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► say that's not what I think at all [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► actually I think X Y Z and then you [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► debate those people's feedback but then [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► you but then what about people who don't [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► care about a topic anymore it's just [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► it's impossible to have a slow-motion [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► debate with it with a hypothetical [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► person so that's why I'm trying to take [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► this meta and also because like I said I [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► think there's some really good articles [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► about this and to be clear this this [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► manifesto is totally bogus [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► the the ideas and by the unit are not [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► the right ideas they are just you know [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► it's explicable by all of the the sort [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► of they're speckled by the experiences [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► and the biases that the person who wrote [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► it is bound to have had and so I think [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► this is a learning opportunity for [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► everybody involved why did he get fired [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► do you think you should have been fired [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► that's the that's the controversial [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► thing yeah I don't see how you can't [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► fire him because how can you have an [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► employee in your company [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► thinks women on average are genetically [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► less capable than men to do the job like [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► how can you have that person doing [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► performance reviews or leading a team of [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► people like how can you have that like [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► if that's in people's secret heart so [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► you don't know about it fine but if [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► someone comes out and says this is what [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► I believe you can't have that person [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► doing performance you can just have a [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► segregated company and then segregate by [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► everybody's biases right and never mind [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► that you know these are all at-will [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► employees they can be fired pretty much [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► every reason any reason and you know [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► misogyny is not a protected class like [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► it's an idea like yeah like this is [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► guess what if you you uh call your boss [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► a jerk every day and give him the finger [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► you're also gonna get fired because [TS]