The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► so someone trying to spell took us there [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► spelling at tu u qu a s it is not [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► derived from Spanish - quoi so that is [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► not the way you are in wrong region of [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► the world so the origin of that that's [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► magnificent [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► I love Sean P wall to the chat earlier [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► people who truck equals trucks trucks [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► you already established that yes like me [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► the stupid Jeep Cherokee with would you [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► stop with that lowered and big it's so [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► ridiculous it's the worst thing ever did [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► I tell the story on neutral I'm it's [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► it's December in Connecticut and for [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► those who are not aware Connecticut [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► doesn't believe in salting the roads [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► they believe in sanding the roads so the [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► entire state is just one big sandbox [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► it's December it's Connecticut and [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► there's sand everywhere and we're at a [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► tea you know so we have to make either [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► left or right it's my friends srt8 Grand [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► Cherokee and similarly to the Eclipse [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► turbo that we were talking about earlier [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► he looks over and says you holding on [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► I'm like what are you talking about [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► we're about to do a 90 degree turn why [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► would I need to hold on and I was like [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► yeah okay sure [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► next thing I know he stands on the gas [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► and we make this 90-degree turn like we [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► were getting shot out of a cannon it was [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► the most amazing thing in the world [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► oh no fast car fine but like it's like [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► let's make something that is not [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► designed to go fast but let's make it go [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► fast you do is the perverse thing and [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► that but but in the end it's an [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► abomination it's just like let's take a [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► chihuahua but make it a pack animal like [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► well we'll have it carry all our [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► suitcases down to the Grand Canyon and [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► if you could do that it's like wow [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► that's the world's strongest Chihuahua [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► but like that is the wrong tool for the [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► job that is a terrible analogy I am [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► disappointed you are usually so good at [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► coming up with decent analogies in a way [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► that I am terrible it was reversed [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► because I'm taking this small thing and [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► making it big but you're it's like [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► making a hippo dance like that's what [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► you're trying to do and it's just like [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► why would you do that [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► there's perfectly good cars that are not [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► big tall tippy gross things made to go [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► off-road that are they want to go fast [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► the Jeep Cherokee doesn't want to go [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► fast what are you doing you're the only [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► one they lower they take a car with a [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► good ground clearance something you [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► lower it like what are you even doing [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► like why you're just just running a car [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► no it's porque no los dos y can't you [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► have both why can't you have this [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► convene [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► car that because you can't because the [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► things like 17th behind rolls over you [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► can't no it doesn't I just explained to [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► you what we did a 90 degree turn at like [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► 30 you can Lord as much as you want the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► center of gravity of that car is not the [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► same as the center of gravity of a [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► sports car that's down low so if [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► somebody offered you a Porsche what's [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► it's not the came and the Cayenne the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► client and then the can is the even [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► bigger one I would sell it and use that [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► money to probably not buy a better car [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► but if if I was forced to if I was for [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► as I said you have to get a car I would [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► immediately sell it and I would use that [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► money to buy a million other cars that [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► I'd rather have why why do you have hate [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► fun John why do you hate fun in the next [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► suggest a monster-truck Ferrari I can't [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► have both looks like a Ferrari but also [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► you can crush cars into this know what [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► have you done and a monster-truck [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► Ferrari would still look cooler than [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► that Jeep I hate you so much of yet I [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► don't so we should get this show started [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► and as per usual we have to start with [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► some follow-up and you know here's the [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► thing you guys we've been doing the show [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► for what almost three and a half years [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► now is that right because it was 2013 if [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► I'm not mistaken and and you know I knew [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► both of you guys pretty well when we [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► started I knew Marco a little bit better [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► but I knew both you guys pretty well but [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► had you told me in in 2013 yeah you know [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► you're still gonna be doing this in 2017 [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► I'd probably been like that's surprising [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► but okay I'll believe it if you had told [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► me in 2013 well you will have multiple [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► episodes to follow up about Marcos [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► hindquarters I'm not sure I would I [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► believe that a horse I don't know if he [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► has hindquarters exactly Marco's do she [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► great we keep riffing Fanny means [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► something different in the UK so you [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► really did grow up it you know in a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► mixed environment if you notice I'm very [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► proud of you John touch is derived from [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► that I think it's all just you know well [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► anyway so let's talk about Marcos took [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► us why don't you tell me about whether [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► cushion saddles are good or bad and I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► don't know if I'm talking to Marco or [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► Oishi me who says cushion saddles are [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► bad you can tell it's a bike person when [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► they say saddles because yes call them [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► seats but but by kiss this marks sake [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that's a good dogs mark anyway he says [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► when you sit on a large cushioned seat [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► the cushioning material insurers [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► pressure is placed over the entire [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► region it goes into the nooks and [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► crannies between you and thighs and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► finds all the sensitive areas since your [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► maximum pressure yes what do you want [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► instead and this was repeated this was [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► repeated many many yes this is repeated [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► by many people who sent in feedback why [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► just focus on his representative what [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► you want instead is contact at your sit [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► bones and nothing else did you know you [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► have sit bones if you read the dozens of [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► emails that talk about sit bones that [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► were sent to our show you would know [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► yeah I was a term the first person was [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► making up but then we got multiple [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► people talking about sit bones [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► apparently I mean I haven't done any [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► more medical research on this topic but [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► multiple people seem to think these are [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► real things yeah and so he says with [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► some honesty soreness at the contact [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► areas ideally the sit bones is to be [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► expected for the new cyclist by the way [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► as many people wrote in to tell Marco [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► that does not buy cast as if he didn't [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► know that rest assured he knows like he [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► likens it to the soreness in your feet [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► when you first start using a standing [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► standing desk numbness is much more [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► ominous sign it means pressure is being [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► placed on the wrong spots cutting off [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► blood supply oppressing unnerve so the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► consensus seems to be padding aside what [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► you want is most of your weight to be on [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► the sit bones and not sort of distribute [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► it across all the different parts [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► because then no matter how you sit it's [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► like squishing all your soft tissues [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► together and cutting off blood flow [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► whereas apparently I'm guessing there is [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► a path from the sit bones to you know [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► it's not like jacking a car put it that [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► way when you jack up a car you put it on [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► the jack points you notice take the jack [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► and put in a nice overview part [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► underneath your car and start cranking [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► it because bad things will happen so [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► anyway I debated even putting this in [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► but I feel like this is good information [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► for other people who are getting into [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► bikes are not into bikes and are warned [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► wandering around bike seat stuff the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► there was very [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► consensus that it's all about you and [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► your sit bones and then making good [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► contact and that not having pressure in [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► other places so there you go thank you [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► for all the bike dust for your feedback [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► about my James d'amour sounds like [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► they're like yeah well it sounds like [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► they're uh they're prejudiced against [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► bikes they're Bicas nice [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► speaking of jacking up cars it always [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► drove me nuts because anytime I wanted [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► to jack up I think was the Subaru I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► don't think it was a BMW the official [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Jack point for the rear of the car was [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► to Jack up by the rear differential [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► which just seems like a terrible idea to [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► me they were like dude just put it onto [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► the rear pumpkin and go to town he'll be [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► just seems banana really a pretty strong [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► part of the Karman if I personally they [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► know what they're talking about they [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► they made the car they're gonna I know [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► one would think but it just struck me [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► he's wrong anyway Moe Rubin Saul wants [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► to talk about Backblaze backup limits [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and also wants to know how do folks [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► backup their applications folder because [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► Backblaze exempts it and restructuring [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► it would be hell I don't [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► or at least III don't think I would want [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► to because if I wanted to back [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► everything up in my Applications folder [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► I would rather just recreate it by hand [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► because I don't think I want any of the [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► stuff in there in fact one of the one of [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► my favorite blog posts that I wrote [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► which is mostly for myself as kind of a [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► long-term memory but it's it's talking [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► about here's all the things I would [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► install when creating or when when [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► reinstalling a new Mac or create a [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► starting a new Mac so I used that for [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► the MacBook adorable I used it for the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► 5k iMac I I don't use migration [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► assistant generally speaking because [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► even though it's unlike the Windows when [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► I was using Windows and this is probably [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► Markos era as well that you had to [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► reinstall everything we had to just [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► destroy everything and start a new every [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► six months to clear out all the cruft [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► that just magically appears you know Mac [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► OS is not like that but well I got a new [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► machine yeah it's time yeah I also don't [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► ever backup my Applications folder [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► unless it's like for you know from like [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► automatically doing it from things like [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► time machine or a disk clone I think I [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► think the main advantage to backing up [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► your Applications folder is if you're [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► literally just cloning your entire disk [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► and if you want fast recovery after a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► disaster and and that there is [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► definitely a role for that you should [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► have some like one of your backup [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► methods should be like a straight-up [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► copy of your entire disk because then if [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► you do have a disk failure you can you [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► can restore that on to a new disk or a [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► new computer very quickly compared to [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► downloading things off of an internet [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► backup an Internet backup is like a last [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► resort because it is you know slow or it [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► goes over the internet you might have [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► limited upstream so you might not want [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► to upload every single thing you you [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► have on your disk if you can you know [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► easily get it through other means so [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► there is definitely a role for including [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► applications folders in backups but I [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► totally see why it's not included in [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► Backblaze as cloud backup by default [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► again we should clarity should disclose [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the back place is a frequent sponsor of [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► our show but I'm really I'm so I'm [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► saying this probably to defend them but [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► also you know you know not because they [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► are paying us sometimes but simply [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► because I think that it makes sense to [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► exclude that for a cloud backup because [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► the the purpose of cloud backup was like [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► last resort wear and applications [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► folders are really easy to reconstruct [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► with just time you know you're not [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► permanently losing data there you're [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► just losing some time to redownload [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► applications reinstall applications and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► everything but yeah for a full disk copy [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► method like Time Machine or super duper [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► Carbon Copy clone or things like that [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► any kind of disk cloning method it makes [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► sense to include that just for speed of [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► recovery so we talked about this a long [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► time ago one of our earlier shows about [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► backups I think it was when we were all [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► just started using back plays actually [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► before maybe they sponsored the show it [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► was this it was discussing like the the [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► fact the back plays it excludes a lot of [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► stuff and they had like a hard-coded [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► they have a thinking where you can say [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► what you want exclude but they have a [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► hard-coded exclude list and it excluded [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► stuff that I wanted backed up so at that [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► time I hacked up whatever XML file they [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► had buried somewhere in the slash [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► library folder not the home guard to run [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► but the one at the top level the disk [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► there was some XML file somewhere that [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► you could mess with to make it back up [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► things that are in the quote unquote [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► hard quote coded exclude this and I [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► think that technique still works and [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► it's just as unsupported and dangerous [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and do it your own risk but it is the [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► thing that I do frequently that file [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► moves around and [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► Changez or whatever but I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► it's still working for me so basically [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► you can make back plays back up stuff [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► that it says it doesn't want to back up [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► if you're willing to live a little [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► dangerously but like Marcus that you [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► like you should just be though sometimes [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► these applications like it's annoying [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► but none of your data is there you [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► didn't write those applications right [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► and these days the chances are very good [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► that you have some reasonably convenient [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► way to get those applications back the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► company you bought it from has some [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► record that you bought it they can let [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► you read download it even if it came on [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► plastic disk hoping you're saving those [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► plastic discs somewhere make you're not [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► saving them I hoping you can contact the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► vendor that you bought it from and say [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► hey my house burned down [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► I lost my plastic discs can I get the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► software back but realistically speaking [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► most applications you're gonna want to [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► launch these days you have to be able to [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► download them some way and if you could [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► download them there's probably some [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► record on their servers about the fact [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that you own it so it may be annoying [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► but like Margo said like if you find [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► yourself restoring from an internet [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► backup many many things have gone wrong [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► and you're probably just so happy that [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► you have your precious data preserved in [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► any form that you're not you know you're [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► gonna be spending like days and days [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► possibly weeks restoring anyway so don't [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► worry about it but yeah but I but I'd [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► visit some limited backups I'm like you [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► know what go ahead backup my [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► Applications folder why not so CrashPlan [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► does have a Native Client for Macs maybe [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► so we've gotten a lot of feedback saying [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► that the enterprise crash plan client is [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► actually native and if you recall one of [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► the things that really drives me [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► freaking bananas about crash plan as a [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► consumer is that it's a a Java based [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► cross-platform utter garbage app I guess [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► saying Java based in utter garbage is [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► redundant but here here we are [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► that joke will never stop being funny [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► I'm sorry so when he went zero negative [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► feedback on it I know I'm surprised so [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► anyway so it's there's there's been a [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► lot of people coming coming to us saying [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► hey the enterprise client is actually [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► native so it may not be so bad once you [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► do the migration except maybe not so [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► fill story wrote in to say to us that he [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► just upgraded to crash plan for small [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► business which to be fair is not [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► necessarily the same as enterprise and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► he said it's the same crappy Java app [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► and he said that he was [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► only allowed to use version 4.9 which I [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► guess is still Java not the enterprise [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► version which is six dot backs so tread [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► carefully [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► I still haven't taken any action on my [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► backup strategy yet because I'm [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► procrastinating and sticking my head in [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► the sand like an ostrich trying to [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► pretend that it's not not an issue but [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► be wary that that things may not be all [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► roses and daffodils in the crash plane [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► for small business category I'm [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► wondering how you can get if it's [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► possible to get that native version even [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► if you're a small business customer but [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► I've been running the Java version for [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► everything I said it's not like it [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► doesn't bother me I don't see the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► application I just see the icon in the [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► menu bar it's probably using a lot more [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► memory and CPU than I want but it has [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► pretty good controls about you can tell [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► it don't even start doing a backup [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► unless the machine has been idle for a [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► certain period of time you can always [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► stop it if it's in the middle of doing [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► something and honestly with a with a Big [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► Mac with lots of RAM and an SSD you just [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► don't notice it running even though it's [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► a bloated java application and you know [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► it's probably doing ridiculous things [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► and if you bring in fact if ax t monitor [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you may get sad about it but you know [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► you can always pause it and tell it not [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► to run now and then just do your stuff [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► and then let it run when you're away or [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► you don't have to see what it's doing to [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► your computer fair enough speaking of [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► CrashPlan the year is a 5 terabyte [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► migration limit which I was not aware of [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► so this is a crash plain support article [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► entitled migrate your crash plan for [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► home account to crash-land for small [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► business it's dated a little over a week [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► ago and it says that hey your backup do [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► my backups continue automatically and [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► the backup type cloud backups to [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► CrashPlan central CrashPlan central [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► being their cloud offering does it [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► continue yes except very large backups [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► over 5 terabytes and just seconds ago I [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► took a look to see how big my latest [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► backup was to crash playing central [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► would anyone like to guess how big it [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► was five point one five point three [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► terabytes whoo yeah I'm just under five [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► I'm like four point eight or something [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► so I'm happy [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► I've already already done this [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► conversion it already updated your [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► client it updated my client to thee it's [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► still the Java client but the color [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► scheme is different I'm pretty sure [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► that's you know interesting so I'm [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► running for point nine power whatever [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► but yeah just it just continued my [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► backups man that's that's mmm I'm [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► jealous because apparently I'm good so [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► it's not that I can't use this new home [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► and business [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► or small business thing but apparently [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna have to re-up load everything [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► all right you contact them and say very [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► large backups over five terabytes well [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► I'm a little bit can't you just you know [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► grandfather me in I'm close like I don't [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► know yeah something like that I don't [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► know I'm sad hi I need to take action on [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► this I just I really don't want to I [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► just want it to go away and ignoring it [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► does not make it go away but I wish all [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► right so arc AR Q versus Backblaze [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► versus Claire crash plan on saving Mac [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► metadata's so this is something I've [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► never paid attention to because I don't [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► really care enough even though I [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► probably should so as the person who is [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► most likely to care about this John why [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► don't you tell me about what's going on [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► here larger story like maybe two years [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► ago I think back when backways was [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► starting to come to prominence and arc [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► was a lot newer than it is now and one [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► of Arc's big selling points was hey we [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► back up all your mac metadata like every [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► little bit of it all the labels and the [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► dates in the comment field and like [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► every little weird but the finder flags [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► and all the stuff we back it all up and [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► there's another program I'm not sure if [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► it's associated with the arc if it's [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► written by the same guy or if it's [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► totally independent but called back up [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► bouncer that was trying to say if you [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► make a backup and restore the backup is [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► it exactly like it was before down to [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► the bit down to every single piece of [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► metadata right then you could care more [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► or less about different things at [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► various times people who use like labels [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► like Mac Mac OS is labels where you can [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► label your items in the finder with [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► different colors and give the colors [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► names and stuff like that if you use [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► that extensively or tags you know that [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► is the expansion of labels like if you [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► use that stuff extensively and you do a [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► backup but like that's how you organize [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► your files right and you do a backup and [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► you're restoring all that stuff is gone [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► that is essentially data loss for you so [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► you care a lot about that that metadata [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► back up bouncer is you know down to the [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► bit thing I remember like super duper [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► would fail on backup bouncer because it [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► didn't restore permissions on things [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► that didn't have the the rights to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► restore like it changed the ownership or [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► changed some you know like [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► it's very picky about exactly what you [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► want to have but the general line from [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► these companies about why their products [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► don't do well on backup bouncer is like [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► well we are not a bit for bit imaging [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► system we are data backup solution so [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► you're not gonna get your discs back but [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► for bid exactly how it was you're just [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► gonna get your data back CrashPlan [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► reportedly backs up metadata better than [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► back plays back plays drops almost all [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► of it on the floor and just backs up [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► your data crash mine does better arc is [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► apparently 100% like it'll get every [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► single little bit because that's you [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► know that's it's the bespoke artisanal [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► handcrafted backup program just for mac [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► users and a lot of people ask me how if [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► you know that since I love all my [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► metadata and everything well one of the [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► reason is I don't use labels and tags a [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► is because I know how they're [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► implemented in its gross but B I fear [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► how they how that stuff will if that [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► stuff will survive so I wouldn't want to [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► rely on it and have it get lost in some [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► kind of backup thing and like we said [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► before online backup is absolutely the [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► last resort so it being the lowest [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► fidelity backup I have SuperDuper being [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► the highest fidelity where it's pretty [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► much exactly the bit for a bit the discs [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► that I had Time Machine kind of being in [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► the middle and then back plays being the [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► lowest fidelity I'm okay with that right [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► there's this trade-off you're paying [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► five dollars a month to store some [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► obscene amount of memory and someone [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► else's server [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► you know I'm I understand again if that [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► if I find myself restoring from that so [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► many things have gone wrong that I just [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► accept that you know every little bit of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► metadata won't be there but because of [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► that I also don't use the metadata for [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► any it's not an essential part of my [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► workflow for organizing my files just [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► because so many things not just backup [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► software but so many things are not [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► won't won't honor and copy that metadata [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► like the Apple's own CP commands that MV [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► commands duffle for the most part honor [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► it but lots of other tools like even if [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► you install the third-party builds of [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► our sink and haven't compiled it with [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► the right options that might not bring [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► your extended after it's over and if you [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► less you don't pass the right flags and [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► stuff like I just can't rely on myself [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► to be careful to preserve that stuff so [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► I never put on anything I really care [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► about in Medway like that would just sad [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► because I wish it was pervasive and [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► supported everywhere but the lowest [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► common denominator which is [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► actually incorrect expression but you [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► all know what I mean is so much lower [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► than what it is on the Mac so the the [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► common set of metadata that you can be [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► confident is going to survive everywhere [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► it's higher than it has ever been but [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► still way lower than what Mac OS [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► supports so backup programs being on [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► that lower end I just accept is another [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► sad reality just like filename [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► extensions sorry John [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► someday we'll get there someday we'll [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► find it The Rainbow Connection that one [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► right over my head [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I know I've heard it before I think it's [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► a Beatles lyric have you had close close [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► Margo have you shown Adam The Muppet [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► movie oh there we go no yeah it's a [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► little bit slow pace for kids because [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► it's just like a 70s movie and movies [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► were slower back then but still got some [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► good songs you know what I loved Charles [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Bronson was in with like the great [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► Muppet Caper or something like that it [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► was another Muppets movie I forget where [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► what what the official title was but I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► remember loving that as a kid and like [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► many years ago I watched it with Aaron [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► in you as an adult and I was like oh [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► this movie is not that the original [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► movie though is is very sweet and has [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► good songs and good pressure values and [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► Kermit rides a bicycle so Marco can [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► watch it and feel some kinship what kind [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► of saddle does he use yeah it's hard to [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► tell is he is he properly fit on his sit [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► bones no frogs have sit bones I'm still [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► not sure if people have sit bones [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► technically he's got someone's hand up [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► his butt but oh my god through the magic [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► own special effects he's riding a bike [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► it's pretty cool we were sponsored this [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► week by Casper the best bed for better [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► sleep go to Casper calm slash ATP to [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► learn more and dive deeper into the [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► science behind the perfect mattress most [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► people don't really think about the [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► science behind a mattress the Casper [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► team on the other hand is really a bunch [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► of engineering nerds who dig as far as [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► possible into the science of sleep and [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► the technology to deliver it [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► Casper combines pressure relieving [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► supportive memory foam with a breathable [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► open-cell layer for all-night comfort [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► with just the right sink and just the [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► right bounce and they have affordable [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► pricing because they sell directly to [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► consumers they don't sell through [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► showroom [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► or all these you know middlemen [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► distributors they sell directly to you [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► and they have free shipping and returns [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► within the US and Canada [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► now it sounds kind of crazy to buy a [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► mattress online but Casper has this [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► figured out they have you covered they [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► know that you will have to actually [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► sleep on a mattress to know whether it's [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► right for you so what they do they ship [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► it to you for free and they offer a 100 [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► night free home trial with no hassle [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► returns if you're not happy so you have [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► a hundred nights to sleep on it to [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► really get to know this mattress to know [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► whether it's right for you with over [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► 20,000 reviews and an average of 4.8 [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► stars it is quickly becoming the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► Internet's favorite mattress and it is [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► designed developed and assembled all in [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► the USA so if you're interested in [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► learning more and getting that hundred [TS]

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00:22:57 ◼   ► mattress dive deeper into the science [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► behind the perfect mattress and get $50 [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► towards any mattress purchase at Casper [TS]

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00:23:09 ◼   ► once again learn more about the science [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► behind Casper's perfect mattress and get [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► $50 towards any mattress purchase at [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► Casper comm slash ATP using code ATP [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► thank you so much to Casper for [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► sponsoring this show all right so let's [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► talk about a lot of people have written [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► in with a a lot of anger about Outback [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► blazes 30-day retention policy so this [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► is something that I could not possibly [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► care less about but there's a lot of [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► very grumpy people about it so if I [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► understand things right back leis has [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► said if you have a a say external hard [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► drive that is physically connected to [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► your computer and this qualifies for [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Backblaze backups if you don't plug it [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► in every 30 days then they will delete [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► those backups so let's say you know I [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► have an external hard drive that has a [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► bunch of pictures on it if I don't plug [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► it in at least once a month at the end [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► of a month if I haven't plugged it in [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► that place will delete all those files [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► and there's a lot of people that are [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► really really grumpy about this that [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► have written us and are like why aren't [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► you talking about this how can you let [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► Stan I just don't care like why I don't [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► understand why people think it's [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► acceptable for backplates to hold on to [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► this data in perpetuity just because [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► they're paying them five dollars a month [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► or whatever it is CrashPlan does it for [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► ten dollars a month I mean it all comes [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► down to the business model oh thank you [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► yeah back plays the corporate no for ten [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► dollars is the new plan that they are [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► doing okay so back plays has been on [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Twitter talking to people and they say [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► like oh we consider revisiting this [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► policy at Baba but yeah it just comes [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► down to the economics if this is a way [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► for Backblaze to make it so they don't [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► lose money and cancel this plan because [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► you can imagine just hooking up every [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► hard drive you have and pushing it up [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► and then just never reconnecting it I'd [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► do it because I keep the most of my hard [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► drives unmounted and occasionally back [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► plays yells at me and tells me I haven't [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► mounted one in a while I just mounted in [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► it and it's fine like it sends you a [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► reminder you're not going to not know [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► that it's happening [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► but if Backblaze wanted to like revisit [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► this what they would have to do is say [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you can start as much as you want but [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► now we're gonna have to charge you on [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► some sort of usage basis maybe there's a [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► flat fee up to a certain size but once [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► you get beyond that you have to pay an [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► additional X number of dollars for [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► different you know you know like it [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► doesn't have to be exactly I like Hart [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► you pay for every bite like s3 it can [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► still be the insurance model where [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► everybody pays the same amount and most [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► people do very little but a few people [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► do a lot it all evens out like that's [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► their business model to support your [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► ability to just hook up a hard drive to [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► terabyte hard drive once let it back up [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► over the course of the week and then [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► just file it away in a shelf confident [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► to those two terabytes will be there [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► forever back blades will store those two [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► terabytes for you no problem you just [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► got to give them enough money to make it [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► worth their while and how much more do [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► you have to give it than $5 a month I [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► don't know they can figure out how the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► math works but for all the people asking [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► for that feature it's going to cost you [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► more money and I think those people will [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► be willing to cost more money so I think [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► back please [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► should come up with the plan that has [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► slightly different policies that is [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► priced slightly differently and for its [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► extreme users they would use that they [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► would get more money out of the extreme [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► users and I think they would just have [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► happier customers overall because most [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► people don't care about this but the [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► people who do as we noted are you know [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► very very worked up about it so that [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► plays you leave money on the table go [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► take take some money from the people who [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► want their stuff to be stored forever I [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► think one of the main roots of that [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► anger is like you know when you know [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► Backblaze advertisers [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► unlimited and unlimited in computers is [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► never really unlimited and there's [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► there's always exceptions to that [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► because it's impossible to build a [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► business on being truly unlimited and [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► you know usually like the it's easy to [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► understand business models that don't [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► claim to be unlimited and just show you [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► their pricing and their limits right [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► upfront and so I think the people who [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► were angry about that are probably angry [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► because they expect truly unlimited [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► because that's how it's advertised and [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► this is an exception to that but you [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► know that's again like that's you know I [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think you put a well that's why they [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► were able to stay business is because of [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► limitations like that that are I think [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► pretty reasonable limitations yeah like [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► that's not a secret [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► they're gonna pop that log in your faces [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► I think they popped the first I like a [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► box in like 10 days or 14 days like hey [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► I haven't seen this books in this disc [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► in 10 days perhaps you want to plug it [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► back in like they're secretly trying to [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► delete all your data but the this is [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► where the economics work for five [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► dollars you can really start as much as [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► you want for five dollars but you can't [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► like briefly connect the hard drive your [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► computer like have your your friends [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► come and bring their hard drive so come [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► up to your computer let them back up and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► then take the hard drive back to the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► house and never visit it again now you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► have a permanent backup of their stuff [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► just in case they lose it like that's [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► that's the model they're trying to avoid [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► people just you know using it as a way [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► station to drop off a couple terabytes [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► right that's not that's not sustainable [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► for five dollars a month flat fee yep so [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► a lot of other people have written in [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► and said hey you know you I don't know [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► if you guys were aware but you all have [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► seen ologies and and Synology does have [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► a peer-to-peer backup system strategy [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► etc why don't you do that and I will be [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the bad guy and say I don't want to [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► share my space with you two jerks and [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► it's mine and I don't want to share and [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► I I would probably if either of you [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► asked me be willing to offer up what I [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► could but last I heard John you said [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► last episode of the one before [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► intersting there's no room in the end I [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► don't have a squared espera I'm certain [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► reference here yeah exactly so John [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► doesn't have John doesn't have any X [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► expand any excess space to offer and [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► thus if you don't have any excess space [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► I won't have enough [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► to offer you a backup Marco and I maybe [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► could set this up but I don't know I [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► just I feel like this is the sort of [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► thing where I should be paying a company [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► to handle this for me which is what I [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► will probably end up doing and and I [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► don't I don't feel comfortable asking [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► even you guys who I think would probably [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► say you know all things being equal [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► could probably say yeah sure you can [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► back up to my Salah gee I don't feel [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► comfortable talking to you guys about it [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► let alone you know anyone else I might [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► know so I don't really view this as a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► reasonable option for me but maybe I'm [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► just being a big baby yeah I don't it's [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► not a reasonable option for most people [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► and and I wouldn't say yes because I [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► don't want the responsibility of holding [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► your data like the whole point of of [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► cloud backup is I want it to be far away [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► from my house so if the house burned [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► down is okay and I want it to be [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► someplace where it's somebody's job to [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► make sure my data is actually there a [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► lot of people do this where they do a [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► hard drive and and back it up and put it [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► in a relative's house that is better [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► than nothing I'm not gonna discourage [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► you from doing that but in that [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► situation I've been in a many times what [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► always happens is you forget to keep [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► bringing the hard drive back and forth [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► because it's a pain and if it's Network [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► base like I don't have to do that it's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► all magic over the network is the person [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► at the other end invested in making sure [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► that your backup continues to be [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► successful and that you know they're the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► the hard drive that's doing it isn't [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► filling up or doesn't have some bad [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► sectors and stuff like that's not their [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► job and they don't want to be [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► responsible for that and if something [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► goes wrong now you're mad at like a [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► friend or relative and there have been [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► like products on Kickstarter and stuff [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► to try to do with strangers like we'll [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► all share our date it'll be a big [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► distributed p2p cloud like so far that [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► hasn't worked out it's a good it's a [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► good idea if I think if space was [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► cheaper and bandwidth is more would work [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► out but right now I hardly recommend [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► sending your data to some company whose [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► job it is to make sure your data safe [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► doesn't mean the company's gonna be [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► perfect either but hey if the company [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► screws things up you can feel fine about [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► being mad at the company B you can sue [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the company maybe probably not because [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► of their User Agreement but anyway like [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► you can get as mad as you want about [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► them they have deep pockets so if you [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► want some sort of requests you can get [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► it you would never want to be in this [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► relationship with a relative or a friend [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► we're through some faults that you will [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► argue about your your backup your [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► off-site backup is corrupt [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► or Unruh or not there or something goes [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► wrong or whatever and then people being [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► bitter about the harddrive space you're [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► using if they want to reclaim that to [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► put like more the Ritz blu-rays on it's [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► just it is not a relationship you want [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► to be in I do not recommend this even [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► though there's lots of good software for [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► it that makes it easy [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► oh but like I said all that said if [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► that's your only option like if that's [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► the only thing you can do whether it's [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► carrying hard drives back and forth in a [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► car or having your two Synology to talk [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► to each other it is better than nothing [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► but I really recommend making a company [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► do it you know I think I would almost [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► feel I'm not even almost I think I would [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► probably feel more comfortable saying to [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► one of you guys I am shipping a Synology [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► to your house a second Synology I don't [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► want to run your Synology I don't want [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► to run your hardware in my house it's [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► hard enough running my own stuff my kids [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► gonna spill peanut butter on it my [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► basements gonna flood the mice are gonna [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► poop in it it's just no I totally [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► understand that yeah yeah like yeah I I [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► also I don't want the responsibility you [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► know like it's it's much less about you [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► know the about the the physical having [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► the hardware or having the space or the [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► money required to run and empower it [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► like it's more about I don't want you to [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► depend on this box in my house can I [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► said you know in my garage that's [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► probably overheating itself slowly like [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it I don't need like I don't need the [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► stress of that and that like and I don't [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► I would hate to be in the position where [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► your stuff went bad and you were [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► depending on me and this thing being [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► perfectly operating in my house to fix [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► that and and talk about like you know [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► that's fine for the three of us like [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► most people don't have friends with [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► giant Nast boxes in their garage like [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► this is not a generalizable solution it [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► barely would even work for us and we [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► have giant Nash boxes with giant hard [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► drives and fast internet connections and [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► we're all friends like most people don't [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► have that kind of setup and even the [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► ones like us who do probably shouldn't [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► do that if we have other options I think [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► it's safer to lend people money give [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► people money you could just say it's [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► just a gift just you never have to pay [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► me back here it is we're friends whereas [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► the day that it's like it's like you're [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► keeping the safe for me right like it's [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► easier to keep [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► children safe than their data busy you [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► forget the stupid hard drivers there you [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► forget if it's still running you forget [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► a thing czar going bad the person on the [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► other end doesn't know that their thing [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► is failing because you have some it's [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► just it's not you are not a data center [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► you don't have a climate control thing [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► with aisles and miles of Iraq computers [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► you know like just you don't have that [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► you don't have redundant power backups [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► you don't just you're not in the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► business of being a backup thing so it's [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► just it's just gonna be sad all around [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► because if something goes wrong then you [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► know what do you do you just sit there [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► and try not to blame each other but then [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► you do feel bad about it like I feel [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► like it's a much better feeling for you [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► to back up stuff the back plays and then [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► you're all your data goes corrupt them [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► back plays at the last moment like then [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► you just be righteously mad at back [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► plays being mad at corporation is what [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► Americans are best at we don't want [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► don't want every relationships just you [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► know I'm never flying Delta again like [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► you can do that all you want fine you [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► don't want to sacrifice your personal [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► relationships but she'll keep you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► vibrant and extend your life according [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► to all the studies yeah it's funny bring [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► that up because the unfortunately named [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► pahis food in the chat said backing up [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► each other storage is like lending money [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► don't do it with your friends do it with [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► the business and I agree with that like [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► I said I think lending money is better [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► because it is a it's a yeah if it is [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► better than backing up because lending [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► money you can lend it and say oh I'm [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► pretending this is loan but in my heart [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► of hearts I'm realizing this is a gift [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► and just say I never expect to see this [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► money back and I'll be fine with it [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► because it's a nice thing to do there's [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► no ongoing relationship where you're [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► like maintaining that money for the [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► person or anything be more like if they [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► gave you instead of putting their money [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► into savings they gave it the money's [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► free to you to invest and that would be [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► the kind of responsibility you're [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► getting for data it's like and then they [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► come back and say house hasn't all that [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► money I gave you [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► how's that investment going like yeah [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► yeah it's it's going it's going okay [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► then they get mad at you why did you do [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► a better job of investing my money it's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► like just why didn't you not make me do [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► this yeah and I need to be clear I agree [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► with you that lending money to a friend [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► is maybe not the best thing in the world [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► but it is way better than being a backup [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► strategy so to hopefully come to the end [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► of this was only a couple more things [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► about backups Jon tell me about Synology [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► see two backups [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► this is still in beta and [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► apparently a thing a Synology thing i [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► think it's only in germany - so it's not [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► really relevant dust but Synology has [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► their own everyone's to riff on s-3b - [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► now you got see - we're running out of [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► letters and number columns here your [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► Synology will do a back up of itself - [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► Synology zone cloud storage they just [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► reselling s3 I have no idea but anyway [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► paper on no that's that's a thing we'll [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► put the link in the show notes if you [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► have a Synology you're interested in [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► looking at the c2 beta [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► especially if you live in your Frankfurt [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► Germany or wherever the hell this is [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► check it out yeah that it's expensive [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► though it's a are we selling s3 it's 70 [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► euros per terabyte per year so that's 83 [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► dollars ish according to duck taco per [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► terabyte and if I have five that's four [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► hundred and fifteen dollars a year for [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► me that is not inexpensive yeah I think [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► back lays b2 is still probably the [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► cheapest option I know of for like like [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► actual paper gig but otherwise you know [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► unlimited in usage as long as you pay [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► for it kind of kind of thing like I [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► don't I don't know of anything cheaper [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► than b2 yet but I'm happy to hear [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► suggestions yeah [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► additionally friend of the show Dan [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► Morin has written a post for Mac world [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► which is apparently still a thing saying [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► why the Mac needs iCloud backup so why [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► not I guess right I mean iCloud is [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► foolproof and definitely is a [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► justifiable use is is backing up all of [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► your data that you cannot possibly lose [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► why wouldn't that work it's backing up a [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► lot of data a lot of iOS devices are [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► backed up I got only Apple knows for [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► sure how many of them I mean you get [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► some of that of iCloud backup stuff I [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► forget to sum it's some obscenely small [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► amount that you get five gigs I think [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► it's five gigs yeah right [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► but anyway and you could pay for more [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► but the mattress doesn't have that and [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► this is no those cases where the Mac [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► doesn't have a feature that iOS had for [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► years and years and a lot of people [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► asked about like when is when is Apple [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► gonna do a lot back for the Mac it seems [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► inevitable if they eventually get around [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► to it because they already do iCloud [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► backups is not a new business they would [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► do the same model of giving you a [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► useless amount of storage for free and [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► then you pay for more and I bet people [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► will use it because why shouldn't Apple [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► be in the cloud backup business for all [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► this devices basically in the cloud [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► packing business for all of his devices [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► - a rounding error which we [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► the Mac these days so I hope Apple does [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► do that because I mean first of all what [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► choice do we have for cloud backups on [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► the phone it's not like we can use [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► Backblaze or CrashPlan on our phone we [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► all do iCloud backups even if we also do [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► iTunes backups and for the most part it [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► seems to sort of work and it's certainly [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► better than nothing so Apple should do [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► that eventually it also just like you [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► know the you can you can make jokes [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► about like how bad Apple services have [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► been so far in the past and everything [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► that but I think I fled back up to [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► pretty solid like and most of their [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► recent services are pretty solid you [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► know some of their intelligence based [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► things like Siri and and conserve ads [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► could use some work but like the the [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► stuff that's about just like storing [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► your data responsibly and syncing it and [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► everything that stuff has been pretty [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► solid for a while now so I am totally [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► you know fine with the idea at Apple [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► offering this and it's one of those [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► things it's similar to like when they [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► launched Time Machine the there was a [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► lot of criticism about various [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► limitations or requirements Time Machine [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► had but like the one thing you can [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► always say in defensive moves like this [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► is well it's better than people who use [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► nothing at all like it's better than [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► nothing right and and so with iOS [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► devices backing up to iCloud like you [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► know that's another situation where like [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► it's better than not having even the [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► five gigs they give you is better than [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► nothing [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► it'd be nice to have more by default [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► because it would be nice to have a [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► reasonable amount for all iPhones sold [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► that just came with the price of the [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► iPhone I think that would be a wonderful [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► thing for Apple to do I'm not holding my [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► breath on that but but I wish they would [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► do things like that but because you know [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► having having any backup is better than [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► having no backup and this would be the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► kind of thing we're like yeah not every [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► Mac owner would or should use an iCloud [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► backup service if it were if it were off [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► on the Mac but it would be a really easy [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► fast way to get lots of Mac users to [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► have a backup who otherwise would have [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► had nothing at all and that's that's [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► good that you want that we were [TS]

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00:41:13 ◼   ► right so that's the end of the follow up [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► and we should move on to SK TP no no [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► what do you know one more item quickie [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► for you oh no there's nothing else I [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► believe there is so case no it's not I [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► heard that you might have had a keyboard [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► flaw on your new MacBook adorable that [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► has this wonderful keyboard that [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► everyone loves so much that definitely [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► isn't enough constant flaws for almost [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► everybody [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► no no that's fake news oh okay make sure [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► yeah so my beloved MacBook adorable [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► apparently got an infinitesimally small [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► piece of dust under the numeral four key [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► and because of that it was mushy for [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► days until I finally had the time to go [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► to Target and buy myself compressed air [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► which is something I haven't bought in [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► probably five maybe ten years and then [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► take the compressed air to my macbook [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► and blow out the infinitesimally small [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► piece of dust and then subsequent to [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► that it took me a few hours to realize I [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► had not really removed the dust but [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► simply relocated it to under the caps [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► lock secure perhaps lock key which I [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► don't generally use but I happened to [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► use a few hours later and was like oh [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► well that's mushy and gross I guess I [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► know where that dust went and then I had [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► to take the compressed air again to the [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► caps lock key in order to blow it out [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► again and now I think my keyboard is [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► fully functioning once more but yeah [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► very frustrating because the difference [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► between the regularly functioning key [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► keys and a key that has just a iota of [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► dust under it is night and day it is [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► disgusting to use a key that has dust [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► under it because it feels mushy and [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► gross and terrible so I still love my [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► MacBook adorable I still do recommend it [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► especially as like an accessory Mac but [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► the the tolerance for dust and debris on [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► this thing is approaching zero which is [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► really unfortunate it's like the [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► opposite of that panasonic toughbook [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► remember that oh yeah I do [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the yellow laptop the laptop meant to [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► work in all sorts of environments maybe [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► you should get one of those like glass [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► boxes with the little holes with the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► gloves and adorable inside the box and [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► when you want to use it just put your [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► hands into those gloves [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► I hear you so yeah so that was sad times [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► I'm about to get one of these at work by [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the way I'm about to get a 20-17 [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► MacBook Pro at work I'll let you know if [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► and when Mikey I think Mikey bro will be [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► fine because I plan to never touch it I [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► plan to keep the thing closed and use it [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► to hook up to a monitor and just use it [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► as like a three times more powerful [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► version of my Mac Pro that I have at [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► work now hooked up to the very same [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► monitor mouse and keyboard but we'll see [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► you say that but as Marco and I were [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► just recounting an episode or two ago [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► clamshell mode is the word I'll leave it [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► cracks but the point is I'm gonna I'm [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► gonna not use that keyboard if I can [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► help it yeah the thing is like and I I'm [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► obviously always tempted to launch [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► another rant about how this keyboard is [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► awful to be on all the computers but it [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► makes some sense for this awful keyboard [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► to be on that [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► computer but the one you have Casey not [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► the one John's getting and the one that [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► I have but it makes sense [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► the MacBook adorable one 12-inch [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► whatever we're calling it is super super [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► small and thin and all other costs that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► is what that computer is for so I [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► honestly can't complain that much that [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► they put this incredibly controversial [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► unreliable keyboard in that mom you can [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► complain about the reliability like it's [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► fine to make it super slim and [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► compromise and everything but [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► reliability no matter what you do that [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► should be the one thing at least the job [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► of the keyboard is when you press the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► key it makes a letter on your screen [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► right so they can't we shouldn't be [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► accepting this big of a downgrade and [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► expected reliability because every [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► keyboard goes bad eventually I've broken [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► a bunch of the the flat aluminum ones [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► but they last for years before something [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► goes wrong and I mean it could be [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► whatever the whatever the thing is not [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► confirmation bias but you know where you [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► where you're hyper aware of people [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► telling you tales of woe about their [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► keyboards foot boy we've heard a lot of [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► them from people who have this keyboard [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► and it just seems like a big change in [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► reliability and keyboard reliability I'm [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► you know all that tough keyboards are [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► gonna you know go crappy eventually [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► probably but within the first several [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► months to have a key stopped working to [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the point where it affects it sound like [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► oh it feels weird when I type like to [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► the point where it doesn't make the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► letter on the screen that's just not [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► acceptable even for the slim one that's [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► true yeah because it's like again it's [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► like it's this is a problem that we [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► didn't used to have and and or like you [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► know if you if you had a laptop that had [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► a key break or die on it it was maybe [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► after like five years or after you had [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► abused it or dropped a whole bunch of [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► crap in it and so and so that's one [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► thing that's probably unavoidable but to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► have laptops where now this keyboard is [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► on the entire line of laptops and that [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► entire line of laptops has significant [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► reliability problems with the primary [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► interface method that is a big problem [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► that is a massive design flaw that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► shouldn't have shipped the first time [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► let alone the second and in the case of [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► the 12-inch third times so I've really [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► you know we there was remember that read [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► a thread that was a couple months ago [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that was allegedly from some [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► manufacturing inside that was spilling [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► details about who knows what about Apple [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► one of the things that's said in there [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► was that there's gonna be a new key [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► switch mechanism for the 2018 MacBook [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► Pro revision that allegedly is going to [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► be similar in in thickness and travel [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► but it's gonna it's gonna be like [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► magnetic or something there's gonna be [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► some kind of significant key switch [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► changed I hope that is you know I hope [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► something like that is going to happen I [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► hope Apple sees the way we do that you [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► know we can't convince them to make this [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► keyboard thicker to make it feel better [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► that's never gonna happen [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► so I'll take what we can get let's just [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► make this if we're gonna have this the [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► super thin keyboard the sacrifices the [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► key travel for Johnny is thin world at [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► least make it work reliably like there [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► is no way in 2017 and 2018 we should not [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► have unreliable laptop keyboards on [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► brand-new $2,000 and up laptops that is [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► completely unacceptable and ridiculous [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► in this day and age how to clean the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► keyboard of your MacBook or MacBook Pro [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► if your MacBook 2015 and later or [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► MacBook Pro 2016 and later has an [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► unresponsive key or a key that feels [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► different than the other keys when you [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► press it follow these steps to clean the [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► keyboard with compressed air number one [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► hold your Mac notebook at a 75 degree [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► angle so it's not quite vertical that's [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► 75 kids not 80 we come at this exact 700 [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► on this show you're there preposterous I [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► cannot believe that this is the thing [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► number 2 use compressed air to spray the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► keyboard or just the affected keys in a [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► left-to-right motion number 3 rotate [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► your Mac notebooks so it's your right [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► side and it's a so it's right side [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► that's that's not even a full sentence [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► rook rotate your Mac keyboard so it's [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► oh - its right side I can't read my [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► apologies - its right side again from [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► left right number 4 repeat the action [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► this time with your Mac notebook rotated [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► to its left side this is asinine that [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► this is the thing now to be fair my [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► keyboard still worked it just felt like [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► garbage but or one key felt like garbage [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► and by and large I actually do still [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► very much like this keyboard I know [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► Marco you don't and that's fine but in [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► general when it can't when it's working [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► I really like this keyboard similarly [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► when my car's valvetrain hasn't exploded [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► it's a very nice car but it's just [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► frustrating it's very frustrating that [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I have I have had this computer for to [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► wouldn't change months and I'm already [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► having to take a restorative action to [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► get the keyboard to work again right [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► it's like and again like I've resigned [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► myself to this new thin thin key switch [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► thing that feels to me is crappy but [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► every time I saw that and like I've been [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► constantly reducing my expectations fine [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► I'll carry a dongle bag fine I'll pay a [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► little bit more fine I'll have this [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► touch bar on the big ones that I really [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► don't like at least make it reliable [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► like just make it work reliably if [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► you're gonna make me swallow all of [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► these other jagged bitter pills at least [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► make something reliable that's all like [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► I'm not asking for much here I've [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► reduced my expectations and given up on [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► every other battle on these laptops just [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► a lot of smaller set of jagged little [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► pill though thank you very much I know [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► I'm just saying like that so that's [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► that's a marcos brain farting out some [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► references without his knowledge no I [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► honestly not only is that a great album [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► but I was I was arguing with TIFF about [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► this a few days ago I would say that is [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► possibly one of the most influential [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► albums of the 90s these kids who cares [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► oh you gotta wait 20 years before you [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► can be nostalgic like we are about the [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► 80s you know there are times that's [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► right not 10 more years but actually 20 [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► it's it's not a linear scale so you are [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► what are you like 6 or 7 years older [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► than we are and usually that that feels [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► like 6 or 7 minutes but then there are [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► times that it feels like six or seven [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► decades and this is one of those times [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► it's when you listen to Margo and TIFF [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► talk about I knew it for that matter [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► talk to talk with nostalgia about 90s [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► music and just it's just like what that [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► was it was more than 20 years ago for [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► most of it I know I know it just it just [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► seems weird but I came out in like 95 96 [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► some like that I mean maybe I'm assuming [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► people from the 70s feel the same way [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► were people in this algebra he's music [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► because you know 70 was give me the [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► Canady was all this crap but you know [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► whatever it's what age you are I [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► understand how it works just Alanis [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► Morisette influential album 95 all right [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► geez [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► all right that should be a top four top [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► four albums in the 90s you know I knew [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► her when she was on you can't do that on [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► television you didn't know her then I [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► sure did I love that show [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► that was a great show don't even start [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► with me reruns oh you are such a turd [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► let's just move on all right ask ATP we [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► slime John somehow oh I would love to oh [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► my god we should kick start slimming [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► John and get the money to Houston or [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► something like that my word somebody get [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► on that anyway Joe Lyon writes in to ask [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► ATP this is a little bit long so I don't [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► I remember seeing this but it must be an [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► email or something what is the long game [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► in photo storage not not just which [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► cloud service do I use for the next five [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► but how will photos be managed stored [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► and handed down between generations we [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► take more pictures than ever but then we [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► lock them all into personal devices and [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► accounts that in print very few of them [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► I think our family histories are [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► actually at more danger than previously [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► ironically hundreds of thousands of [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► pictures from a family can be lost when [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► someone dies and doesn't leave behind a [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► password or a cloud service goes [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► belly-up in local backups weren't made [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► or photos or hard disks crash or data [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► isn't carried to new devices [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► coincidentally I was thinking about this [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► recently because I have I have really [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► been wondering like if I were to [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► suddenly pass away what would happen to [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► the things that I care about like our [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► pictures and because of that that that's [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► yet another reason why why I recommend [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► the 1password family plan because you [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► know Aaron has my my password via one [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► password [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► she has my password for like google [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► photos for example but but you know Joe [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► Lyons point is exactly right like he [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► used to be that you would print all [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► these pictures and create albums and [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► granted there would be far fewer [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► pictures than you would have in this [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► digital age but at least there was [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► something you can physically give to [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► somebody else what is the future bring [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and and I'll start with the the semi pro [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► photographer Marco what do you think [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► about this I'm barely even that anymore [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► but it's it's a bigger question of you [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► know lots of things regarding your you [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► know your data integrity and everything [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► else you know it's it's it goes way [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► beyond just photos but like lots of your [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► other data as well but I mean largely [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► once once I'm gone I won't care I won't [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► be able to care it's largely not my [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► problem with my particulars but no I [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► think it realized the Nile is God - [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► photo backup like you know I think it [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► relies on your family and people who [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► come after you it relies on them caring [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► just like preservation of anything from [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► previous generations like if they care [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► you know it basically you know we as the [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► people who have who have this data now I [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► think we do have some responsibility to [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► have some kind of recovery you know that [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► our heirs have will have access to after [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► we're gone so you know things like [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► making sure like are that their family [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► has access to passwords and data and [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► stuff like that but beyond that like [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► it's up to the next generations to care [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and it always has been like every family [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► you know like we you know you only know [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► what your relatives have been able to [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► pass on to you you only have what they [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► have carried with them and what they [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► still have in their possessions from [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► previous generations and the same thing [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► is going to apply to this like in some [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► ways it is easier than ever to keep this [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► stuff and especially as time goes on [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► like my entire photo collection from the [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► first year I was taking photos with the [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► digital camera which is like 2004 I [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► think you know mm really but my entire [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► photo collection from that year is like [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► a few hundred Meg's like it's at most [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► like it's nothing compared to it like [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► and and as time goes on every year that [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► goes by hard drives get bigger and [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► cameras get better and photos get bigger [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and so it seems like everything's always [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► really big buddy like what was taken in [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► the past with low resolution cameras [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► lower resolution sensors like less data [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► being captured with less video more [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► stills like I don't know I feel like [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► it's not that hard if you care and if [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► your heirs and relatives care it isn't [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that hard to keep stuff and to pass it [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► down it's just an issue of will will the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► people who inherit your things actually [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► care to keep them and that's always my [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► problem and photos don't get bigger all [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► the time like you said that photos get [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► bigger every year in cameras get better [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► but they we are probably [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► already very close to limits of human [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► visual acuity on the highest-end cameras [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► and we're just waiting for it to trickle [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► down once your phone is taking 42 [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► megapixel images do you think in 10 [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► years they're gonna be taking 84 [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► megapixel images they will not like [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► there what are we gonna do blow it up to [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► a post to the size of a football stadium [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► like there we are close to the limits [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► and if storage continues to increase at [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► any rate while the size of photos stays [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► more or less the same maybe even get [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► smaller if we have better compression [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► tech this is the storage of photos is a [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► problem that will solve itself [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► essentially as storage size increases so [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► just in the same way that's easy for [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► marker to take his hundred Meg's of [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► photos from 2000 in 50 years it will be [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► much easier to take our quote-unquote [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► massive photo libraries and put them in [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► in the storage of the day and 50 years [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► they will not be taking 10,000 megapixel [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► photos there probably be like 50 to 100 [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► megapixel photos if even that probably [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► not even that it's not it's gonna stop [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► because you can't there's there's no [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► point in more pixels like again you're [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► not blowing it up to a poster that [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► covers your entire house so that little [TS]