The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► did you try that translation menu bar [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► thing by the way that I pasted no [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► because I guess you have to don't get [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► the like kill system UI server to make [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► it take effect something like that yeah [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► please don't do that while podcasting [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► all of the years I've come to the [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► conclusion and I think I first heard [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► this from Dan Benjamin and I think Tim [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► for me he was right about this that it [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► is it is a happier experience for you [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► whoever you is if you customized or if [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► you insist on as few customizations to [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► vanilla mac OS or iOS as possible [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► obviously every one of us myself [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► included has plenty of customizations [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► that that that you consider critical to [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► me on a new installation of Mac OS and [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► and same with iOS but I try to choose [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► wisely and I try to choose things that [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► usually just amount to installing like [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► an app or something like that and this [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► is no I mean it's a defaults right like [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► I understand what it is it's not hard to [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► do it's something I am perfectly capable [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► of doing but the fact that I didn't even [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► notice that the darn menu bar was [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► translucent until you said something [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► means you know what it's probably just [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► not worth it to worry about it and I'm [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► okay with that I disagree with that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► philosophy I understand it like maybe if [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► you're Hotelling in a world where you [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► you have to use other people's generic [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► computers all the time that you don't [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► want to customize but I'm I'm in the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► opposite camp I'm not gonna live with [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► some minor annoyance for years and years [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► just because it's like oh if I happen to [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► find myself a stranger's computer that's [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the default setup I'll be able to do it [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► if I get a new computer I'll just be [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► able to use that that's not true B's [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► migration system has been great for so [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► many years some people always asked me [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► do you do a clean install or do you [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► upgrade install I upgrade install I've [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► been upgrading installed for ever and [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► apples upgrading stalls have [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► historically both on classic Mac OS and [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► on OS 10 and Mac OS or the hell it's [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► called now have been really good about [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► keeping all your crappy yes that's why I [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► have like a resource fork based [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► preference file sitting in my library [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► folder on my Mac but it just keeps your [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► settings like that's why you know if I [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► ever do set up a new Mac I'm faced with [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► like how did I set this up because it's [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► a setting that I changed I ran a default [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► write command like in Panther right and [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► it's it's still carrying over right [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► because the plist file is there it's [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► just that's what I want it like it's [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► such a you get such bang for your buck [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► out of it if you just keep doing upgrade [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► installs because it'll just carry [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► everything over and it's perfectly fine [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► it's not like Windows you have to wipe [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► out your computer don't be afraid of the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► upgrade install embrace it and there are [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► lots of cool products out there cool to [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► varying degrees that will it will script [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► your like so you got a new Mac this [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► thing will apply all your settings but I [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► felt like all of them I've looked into a [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► lot of them some of them are based on [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► puppet which is a little bit scary buff [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► it's a little bit wonky but Google uses [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► one based on puppet I think but there's [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► all sorts of solutions like that even [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► just some people have a giant like shell [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► script that they run that does a bunch [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► of things but you don't need any of that [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► if you just do upgrade installs so don't [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► be afraid to customize your computer it [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► is a good idea to keep a text file [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► around to just remind you what the [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► customizations are which is what I did [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► when I got my new Mac at work because I [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► wasn't upgrade installing from anything [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► right but for your home computers you [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► don't have that problem you can use [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► migration assistant connected with [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► Ethernet Wi-Fi firewire I recommend [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► using the fastest connection possible to [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► bring all your crap over from your old [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► computer to your new one yeah I kind of [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► use both extremes on I hardly ever [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► upgrade my desktop like both hardware [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► and software wise and when I do update [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► to the newest OS on my desktop or get a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► new desktop I always do upgrade installs [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► or migrations it's fine [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► however on my laptops which I'm buying [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► at increasing frequencies I almost [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► always do clean installs because it's [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► like my secondary system usually I am [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► less careful with what I install on it [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► like why like when I installed that [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► collection of trucks I am usually more [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► willing to experiment on it so for [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► instance right now my laptop has high [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► sierra on it my desktop is not so my [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► laptop I'm always doing clean installs [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► my laptops I guess I should say and my [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► desktop I always upgrade I've been [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► carrying over the same installation my [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► desktop for a long time now I think in [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► my entire time using Mac's since 2004 I [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► think I've done to clean installs on my [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► desktop or maybe one it's it's a small [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► number and everything else was he just [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► upgrades and [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and totally fine you know like John I [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► probably have a lot of clutter I thought [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► I could get rid of but it's also just [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► you know I have so many things set up [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► just the way I like them and so many [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► little details here and there and I can [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► tell because when I go use a cleanly [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► installed laptop that I have purchased [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► you know for this quarter I can always [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► tell like oh wow this thing doesn't work [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► right or this is kind of not quite there [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► oh I wish I had this thing here that I [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► have my desktop set up so there are [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► benefits of both but certainly like you [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► know the old if you're like me and you [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► came from the windows world where like [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► it was basically a horrible idea to ever [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► upgrade like you should in the windows [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► world when I was in it you should only [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► ever have done clean installs and even [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► and even when you weren't changing [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► Windows versions you should probably do [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► a clean install of your OS like every [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► six months which I did and because we [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► hose is so bad at least it was I don't [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► know I don't know if this one is any [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► better I haven't honestly many windows [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► user and literally you know 10 12 years [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► now at least so it might be better now [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► although one thing Windows doesn't do [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► very well is change so let's see I'm [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► sure in the feedback with that but well [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► yeah so I've seen both and I would say [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► on a Mac you don't need to do clean [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► installs for the most part almost any [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► time ever I only do my laptops more as a [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► curiosity and you know cleanliness thing [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► and experimentation [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► you guys should run LS minus TL tilde [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► slash library slash preferences just [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► find the oldest item in like your [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► library Preferences folder I was giving [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► you a way to do it 2011 for me what was [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► your last item jay-z today so the last [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► item must December 31st 1969 January 18 [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► of 2016 which is when I got the computer [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► so I yeah that matches my recollection [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► which is that this was a cleaner and [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► what it Marco what is your last item [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► that what it actually is it one [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► preference it's a whole bunch of lock [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► files peelers lock files oh great yeah [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► those are great [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► when left over from programs that [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► crashed while they were in the middle of [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► locking something and nothing ever [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► cleaned up the black files yeah and I [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► just you know it's all like you know the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► calms that Apple and bezel surfaces app [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► store address book stuff like that yeah [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► so I must have done a good job cleaning [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► out the resource-based ones of a bb-8 [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► probably still has ones but I moved a [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► lot of uveitis stuff to Dropbox so it's [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► synced between machines that's another [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► preference hack by the way if program [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► supported you can similar things into [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► Dropbox and then your preferences will [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► be the same everywhere you install [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► Dropbox but anyway my bottom item is [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► from 2003 Adobe registration database [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► I've also got an air folder an Aladdin [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► folder and comm dot and Burgess w dot [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► even over that P list lots of good stuff [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► there 2003 and I think I must have gone [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► through and cleaned out a bunch of stuff [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► before this so that's that's how the [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► very least that's how long I've been [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► doing upgrade installs that have carried [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► over to this exact computer in the early [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► days of Mac OS 10 things were a little [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► sketchier so I probably lost a bunch of [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► my folders at various points 2004-2005 [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► if I screw up 2006 every year is [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► represented does never go away so we [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► should start with follow up and we have [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► some follow up with regard to the Google [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► pixel and we had a handful people write [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► in various degrees of anger mostly just [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► emails about how we how we didn't really [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► give Google enough credit and this [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► happens every time we talk about Google [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► and I think some of it is justified like [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► I said I mean it's not unreasonable for [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► someone to say hey you know we don't [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► know Google in and out like we at least [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► think we know Apple but uh one of the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► things that we had said and I think it [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► was me especially the head said was that [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► I thought it was kind of bogus that my [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► buddy at work could pre-order his or [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► maybe just straight-up order his Google [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► pixel to excel maybe whatever it was [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► without he ordered ordered it yeah [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► exactly which by the way whatever joke [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► he made to what was it you said pixel to [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► ten or something like 10 L yeah that [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► joke was much better than I gave you [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► credit for because it flew right over my [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► head when it happens right so I'd like [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► to publicly acknowledge that I missed it [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► on the last episode anyway I was [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► lamenting that it's it's it's a bummer [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► that I have to wake up 3:00 in the [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► morning to give Apple a whole shitload [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► of my money which of course I don't have [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► to do but that's what I need to do if I [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► want to get it in a timely fashion [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► because I'm [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► and entitled materialistic American so [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► huns Hauer [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► I hope I pronounced that right I asked [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► for help I hope I got that right wrote [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► in to say you know Apple watches the [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► iPhone 8 in more than 25 countries and [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► will add dozens more this year the old [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► pixel the original pixel so a year ago [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► pixel is still only available in six [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► countries which I thought was a really [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► interesting point so here it is I'm [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► beatin up on Apple for not really doing [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► the pre-order the way I wanted it at the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► time I wanted it but you know this is a [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► really good point that Apple is shipping [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► to way more places and presumably [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► shipping far more phones then Google is [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► and that that comes with it some penalty [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► if for lack of a better word and that [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► it's just harder to do yeah and I mean [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that also even restricts like what kind [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► of component choices and manufacturing [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► methods that Apple and materials that [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► Apple can even use in the iPhone like [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► Apple just makes so many more iPhones [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► than pretty much anything else in the [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► computer and electronic world that it's [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► it's hard to even fathom like the the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► realities of how they need to do this [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► and the restrictions it puts on them [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► like like that remember like there was a [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► there was a brief rumor before last [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► year's phone that they were going to [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► make one out of ceramic and people a few [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► people with knowledge of that business [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► basically said like there isn't enough [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► ceramic making capacity in the world to [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► satisfy like like they'd like even if [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► they bought like every machine that [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► exists to do this in the world it [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► wouldn't be enough capacity and and so [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► like you know what Apple has to do it at [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► their scale is so unlike what most [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► companies have to worry about that [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► because you know not only do they have [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► to make a lot of them but they have to [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► make a lot of them quickly and all over [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► the world like this is not easy and so [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► like it's it's almost impossible to [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► compare anything else to what Apple does [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► with the iPhone but anyway you know the [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the the feedback we got about about [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► mostly my dismissing remarks about the [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► Google pixel because my position [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► basically was like it's interesting and [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► every you know every time a Google phone [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► comes out all the reviewers say wow this [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► is really great [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and then they just abandon it like two [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► weeks later for the next Samsung thing [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► or it could they go back to their [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► iPhones if they were iPhone people most [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► of the feedback we got didn't really [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► contradict that it was more like you're [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► wrong because I like it and that's fine [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► I'm not saying that nobody likes the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► pixel but that it's not a that the [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► Google phones are not mass-market [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► devices and I and I hope some day they [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► will become mass-market devices because [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► as I said last episode when Apple has [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► really good competition Apple does [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► better and even though I don't have any [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► interest in switching to Android I want [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► there to be amazing Android phones that [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► keep pushing Apple to make the phones I [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► use better button the Google pixel and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► former Nexus series they just don't sell [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► in enough volume to really make Apple [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► have to worry about really anything so I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► again I hope that changes over time but [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► that is still the reality yeah I would [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► agree with that also in the Google camp [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► Josh Lampkin writes and he wrote an [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► email describing kind of the repair [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► process because I think he took issue [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► with the fact that one of the things [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► that it might have been Marco but one of [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► us said it was that hey you know Apple [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► has all this retail presence and Google [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► doesn't have that and that's an [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► advantage for Apple which you know as [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► much as we all love mint the time it [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► takes to the Genius Bar appointment I [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► still stand by what Marco said but Josh [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► writes in and said in summary that if he [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► needs to get a repair done on his pixel [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► phone the repair is an overnighted [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► replacement unit with a box for your [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► existing phone and it's all done online [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► and he said I usually have my [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► replacement Android device before my [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► usual geek bar appointment would be so [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► in other words if he has a problem he I [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► guess on the phone if possible and if [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► not on the web he goes and reports an [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► issue and ends up talking like live [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► chatting with a Google representative [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► and if they confirm that it's a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► legitimate problem they will overnight [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► him a new phones or presumably a [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► refurbished phone so it'll be there the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► following day and and he takes that box [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► puts his existing phone in it ships it [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► back and that's it job done and you know [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► what that sounds pretty fricking great [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► to me it's not as quick is you know [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► going into the Apple store and getting a [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► screen replaced in the span of two hours [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► but that's pretty good for a company [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that has pretty much zero retail [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► presence yeah gotta give him credit that [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► is a good setup [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► I still think Apple is way ahead of them [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► on so many levels by having physical [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► stores but that is better than I [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► expected legal process to be because in [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► in the past not even that distant past [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► dealing with them for any kind of [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► directly purchased a tronic device was a [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► nightmare yeah as when I add that like [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► an old man playing World of Warcraft on [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► an iMac in a Panera Bread I'm nothing to [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► apologize for [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► not make this unfounded disparaging [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► remarks about Google because the only [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► thing that I would have added that [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► conversation about Google if I had [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► anything to add which I always I didn't [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► feel like I did was my impression of the [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► Nexus line and this was echoed by a [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► couple of people who said feedback was [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► like I don't know if Google is not [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► trying to make a mass-market phone or [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► this is just their excuse but it was [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► always like this is what you could do [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► with our operating system if you made a [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► cool phone now everybody else who uses [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► our operating system go make cool phones [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► like this it's like it's like the [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► exemplars out a whole bunch them that's [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► why is only for sale in six countries [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► it's just kind of like showing the way [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► to other people kinda like reference [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► designs from video card makers or [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► whatever maybe not quite the same thing [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► because they're not just giving that [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► design to other people but I don't know [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► if that's actually true or if that's [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► just something they say when they don't [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► sell a lot of them but yeah indeed so I [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► feel like I need a moment to get [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► something off my chest and that's [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► something that something relates to you [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► guessed it Cellular Apple watch service [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► fees [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► oh yes it does we're giving more time to [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► this we are giving more time to this you [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► know why that they even charge him tax [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► and additional fees oh yeah I heard [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► about this that's that is the executive [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► that is that is the executive summary [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► but I have received my first bill since [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► I have activated my cellular Apple watch [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► my $10 a month service which I knew [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► would not be ten but I was hoping [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► ignorant Lee and naively so I was hoping [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► would be not too much more than ten [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► dollars a month would you - if you've [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► not already clicked the link in the show [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► notes would you like to guess how much [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► my $10 a month sir [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► this is it like 12 or 13 $17 John did [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► you look at the show notes because it [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► did not $17.40 so the the monthly plan [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► charges is $10 and I will put a link to [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► I will put an image in the show in the [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► show notes way up is there a convenience [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► fee like when you buy tickets online the [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► breakdown is very quickly $10 for the [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► watch administrative fee 76 cents [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► federal Universal Service charge two [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► dollars and 42 cents regular Tori cost [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► recovery charge one dollar and 25 cents [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► and Virginia equipment tax recoupment [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► seven cents II don't like photo and then [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► not to mention the government taxes and [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► fees well I think that is everything I [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► think that the federal Universal Service [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► charge is that the two dollars and forty [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► two what about the different taxes in a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► fee is the 290 VA Virginia Wireless 9 1 [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► 1 and Wadena communication sales tax oh [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► I didn't scroll down my mistake [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► I didn't scroll down on my own image my [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► mistake yes you're exactly right two [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► dollars and ninety cents of which 75 [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► cents is Virginia t91 and two dollars [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► and 15 cents is Virginia communication [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► sales tax my mistake [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► yeah so you actually are 1740s Wow there [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► you go what kind of tiny size do you [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► have your web browser window that you [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► had to scroll to see the bottom of this [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► image this is the real question as your [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► web browser like a tiny slit like the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► window on a no because all right well [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► now now we're gonna have to go down this [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► a glimpse into Casey's life it all his [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► web browser the windows are one inch [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► tall I'm sure you want to talk about [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► crazy windows setup so as I'm saying [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► minor minor proportion like sheets of [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► paper because that's the same proportion [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► of her web browser window so only when I [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► record this show only when I record this [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► show so I have four panes on my single [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► virtual desktop so I don't really bother [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► with my spaces as I usually do when I'm [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► typically using the computer in the [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► upper left hand corner Skype in the [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► upper in the upper right hand corner [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► taking up approximately a quarter of the [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► screen as my web browser and the bottom [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► which by the way is Chrome only because [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► I use Google Docs here generally [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► speaking I never touch Chrome the bottom [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► right hand corner is Visual Studio code [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► to work on the show notes and the bottom [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► left hand corner is [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► colloquy which is how I get on the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► chatroom so it is effectively divided [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► into four quarter [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► and the in this is on my 5k iMac and so [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► this particular window was about a [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► quarter of the screen and it was just [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► not barely not enough to see that last [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► section this is an incredibly [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► inefficient use of space you're using [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► you're using Windows wrong oh I love [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that call recorder jammed [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► yeah that's it's actually kind of [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► perfect but no this is an incredibly [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► poor use of space like first of all like [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► things overlapping when I'm recording [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the sidebar on the Kaku and oh come on [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► yeah you don't need to go that big you [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► don't need colloquy to be anywhere near [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that big window is as small as I can [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► possibly make it I wish I could make it [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► smaller but you know Skype being Skype [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► it has like nope you could never make it [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► a reasonable size the small as it ever [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► gets [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► yeah and and your your text editor [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► window like that's a terrible aspect [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► ratio for writing notes like I would [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► like the the portrait orientation sheet [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► of paper aspect ratio is way better for [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► text editors I love all the white spaces [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► browser windows are the huge margin is [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► left and right but it cuts off another [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► thing anyway stop stop tiling your [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► windows that's amazing this is only for [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► when I record you picture how many how [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► many S's do you have in your in your [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► menu bar there I'm like alright so you [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► got a lot of icons why are the 3 s's 4 4 [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► s is one of them is way over on the [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► right now it's it's even worse it see [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► mr. dollar signs are they I can't you [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► really break it in the dough there in [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► your menu bar you got three dollar signs [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► wait does that does that mean your menu [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► bar is expensive like on Yelp no they're [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► hiding do you want to know what it is [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► what's a little pinwheel next to Dropbox [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► hold on one step at a time [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► all right the s have Siri enabled at all [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► but it's all the way over there are the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► love of God people my menu bar is a [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► disaster I'll be the first to admit it I [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► will be the first to admit it [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► the dollar signs are because I have [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► installed the most recent version of as [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► I step menus but apparently did never [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► entered my registration and so it is [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► then said give me money [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► apparently how long has that been now I [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► don't know for maybe a few days maybe [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► all the benefit you're getting from I [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► statin menus I need to keep an eye on my [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► dollar signs who's saying that oh my god [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► who's saying that I'm drawing a blank [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► Snoop Dogg gettin juice I don't recall [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► you're probably right [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► I just put my updated menu bar in the [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► robot and I'm sorry live listeners it is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► it I will be the first to tell you it is [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► not good it's not good and and it is it [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► is just plain not good and I am [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► embarrassed by it especially because I'm [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► a devout as few things in the menu bars [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► I can get a Serio to the menu bar I need [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► to do that fuzzy clock come on oh can I [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► get Siri out of the menu bar I gotta do [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► yes you have a translucent menu bar - no [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► I do I do you definitely do [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► that's God that cannot that cannot be I [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► didn't even know that was still a future [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► let's let's play a new game like what [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► won't Casey notice about his computer I [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► did know I did know about the dollar [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► signs is my menu bar I was going through [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► I was going through my like a file full [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► of like plist hack commands for [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► undocumented stuff like turn off window [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► animations and I saw the one about the [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► translucent menu bar I'm like oh I'm [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► glad that feature isn't in my quest [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► anymore I wanna say thought it wasn't [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► there anymore but apparently it is and [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► just like my my pilla setting has been [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► surviving multiple OS updates or maybe [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► it's a checkbox now I think it says it [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► in the display panel well figure I'll [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► figure it out I'll do some real-time [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► follow up in three hours when I finally [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► figure out where the hell it is [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► oh wow that's all right so anyway so [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► it's the fight suffice it to say never [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► ever ever talk about your setup with [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► these two numbskulls not smart my word I [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► can't find this this is driving me [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► bananas where is it you might have to do [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► that you might have to do the default [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► right whatever [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► thing so in summary I pay too much for [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► my Apple watch and it makes me sad yeah [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► I I agree so I was totally railing [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► against you that you know complaining [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► about $10 a month to the degree that you [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► complained about it was unnecessary [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► however it was still like that's I I [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► still agree that that is a little more [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► than what it should cost I just didn't [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► think it was worth complaining as much [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► as you did and you know not getting it [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► as a result however $17 a month really [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► which is what this really is that's a [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► different story that's really pushing it [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► like it is not worth that for almost [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► anybody which is unfortunate but that's [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► I don't know like because so it's [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► basically being treated as a separate [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► line by the by like that the the [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► cellular bills you know taxing and [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► regulation system and I don't know if [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► it's possibly because because you have [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► numbersync even though the watch does [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► technically have its own number it's the [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► same way like my iPad has its own phone [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► number assigned to it when I activated [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► it with cellular but you can't call it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► you can't do anything with that phone [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► number it's just like an implementation [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► detail of something having a cellular [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► service but it's it shouldn't be treated [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► the same way as like a regular phone [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► line is and so maybe the watch is being [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► misclassified maybe it's temporary [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► I don't know but that's messed up like [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► to have to for a $10 fee to have another [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► seven dollars in taxes and BS on top of [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► that that's yes yeah and by the way [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► quick not real-time follow-up but quick [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► follow-up I found on my AT&T bill that [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► there is to your point Marco an actual [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► phone number listed there and it [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► occurred to me like that I could call [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► that number and I feel like I had heard [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► on a podcast somewhere maybe it was Mike [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► somebody had talked about this and so I [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► turned off Bluetooth on my phone and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► then used my cell phone to dial my Apple [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► watch and once it you know once I [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► realized the phone wasn't there and it [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► fell back onto cellular sure enough I [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► could dial this unique number that's [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► unique to my Apple watch and it rang no [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► problem which is exactly what I expected [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► but it's kind of funky like it [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► makes sense I'm not saying it's right [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► bad or wrong or anything but it's got a [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► weird and kind of funny that that it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► that it worked that way [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► no that is bad and wrong that means it's [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► gonna get robo calls Oh interesting it [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► very well may yeah yeah now but but but [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► on the plus side the only way that would [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► happen is if it actually has a cellular [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► radio on which only happens when it's [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► away from the phone which for me only [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► happens once or twice a day if you can [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► get robo calls during the time and you [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► really want to be like focused on your [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► exercise or whatever else or focus on [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► your kid in the that's perfect [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► it's flawless we are sponsored this week [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► by fracture printing your photos [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► directly on glass go to fracture me calm [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► slash podcast to learn more fracture is [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► a photo decor company and they are out [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► to rescue your favorite images from the [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► digital ether they know that it once you [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► post about Instagram or Facebook or [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► whatever else the next day it's gone [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► you'll never see it again [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► get those great photos print it out and [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► put them physically somewhere in your [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► house or give them as gifts they make [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► wonderful gifts and they print your [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► photos at fracture directly on two [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► sheets of glass they go edge to edge and [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► they had a laser-cut rigid backing so [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► they're ready to display or hang right [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► out of the box they even include the [TS]

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00:26:22 ◼   ► so hopefully cheer me up one of you and [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► tell me about Sonos which I don't care [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► about in Google assistant which I also [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► don't care about we missed this last [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► week when we talked about it oh so Imus [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► integrating with Amazon and what was the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► deal with them you're doing the Alexa [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► stuff so notice is trying to apparently [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► trying to be the hardware platform that [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► is host to anybody who has a software [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► thing that you can talk to so Google [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► assistant there's another software thing [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► you can talk to and Sonos is apparently [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► integrating with them I'm not quite sure [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► how it works you bias honest thing do [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► you get to say do you want to talk to [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► the Amazon personal assistant Voice [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► thingy or do you want to talk to the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► Google one or do you pick when you buy [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► it like an old Verizon iPhone versus 18t [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► an iPhone thing don't know the details [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► but this this kind of changes doesn't [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► change but like I'm trying to get some [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► new perspective on Sonos and the [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► combination of Amazon and who's coming [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► out ahead in this deal and what the [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► strategies are and there's two parts [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► this one is that the some of the people [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► with voice assistance certainly Amazon [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► but maybe also Google will see seem to [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► be initially pursuing the tragedy of we [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► want our voice thing everywhere is [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► apparently available on an anchor [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► product to a and keer the people who [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► make like the chargers and stuff and [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► various times Amazon has talked about [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► spreading their voice thingy everywhere [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► if you have a thing that with [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► microphones that you can talk to and you [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► want to do a business deal with them [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► they'll connect it up to Amazon because [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► now you can or paper towels through your [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► whatever because you talk to it right so [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► that's one way you can go it's kind of [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► like the the windows everywhere strategy [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► of you know we you know just think of [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► Amazon for the most part with its where [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► can i watch amazon video most [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► televisions you buy will have it built [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► in just like netflix most boxes you buy [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► will have it built in except for apples [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► because of a grudge match thing going on [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► there and they'll put their voice [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► assistant aren't hardware products that [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► are not made by them whether it's some [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► notes or anchor or probably anybody else [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► who will do whatever deal yeah I think [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► their ideal future is wherever you are [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► the entire [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► you can just yell out the name of that [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► voice assistant that I'm trying to avoid [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► saying and order paper towels and it'll [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► you know figure out who you are and [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► seventy bees that you know easy ways to [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► send Amazon your money it's great right [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► and Google assistant being on so knows I [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► don't know if Google is spreading its [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► assistant far and wide but being on [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► summits as well it's only okay well [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► we're not going to say if you want to [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► talk to the Google assistant you have to [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► buy an Android phone or Google home you [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► can talk to the Google assistant through [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► your summer speaker at the very least [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► and possibly other places as well and on [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► the other side of that if you're so [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► knows their strategy seems to be like we [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► make great hardware and we have you know [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► the wireless communication stuff and an [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► iOS app or whatever to do multi-room [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► audio and all the stuff that we do we [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► don't do an assistant but we're not [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► going to tell you which assistant you [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► have to use we're not gonna say we [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► believe the one only true assistant is [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► the Amazon one and that's it that's like [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► if you have an assistant that you want [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► to talk you through our speaker let's do [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► a deal and I guess they'll let the [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► customers decide and when I think of you [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► know if if the Amazon strategy is Alexa [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► everywhere well I think of the son of [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► strategy I feel like are you trying to [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► be the hardware makers in the PC age [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► where Windows is everywhere and then [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► Microsoft doesn't really care who is [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► licensing windows for their hardware [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► just let the hardware people fight it [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► out and then you'll just be marginalized [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► and be fighting over a razor certain [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► margins against everyone else who makes [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► a speaker that has Amazon or Google [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► assistant integrated the difference here [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► of course is that no voice assistant is [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► as dominant as Windows was if that [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► changes then yeah the hardware people [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► are in a bad position because I feel [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► like most of the value isn't the thing [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► that you talk to especially if the thing [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► that you talk to buys you things from [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► like the store one of the people runs [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► and then way off to the side less than [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► you wouldn't forget is Apple who doesn't [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► really have an Amazon video TV app still [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► right we're still waiting for that I [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► keep yep right so Amazon is kind of [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► being mean to them about that because [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► they're everywhere else they have a [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► speaker thingy but it hasn't even [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► shipped yet when it does ship you can be [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► sure that it will not support Google [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► assistant or am [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► you know voice stuff right and so far it [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► doesn't seem like a Kapil is all about [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► putting Syria everywhere well my next [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► television has Siri built-in can i buy [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► an anchor puck for $35 at a Siri [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► built-in I'm thinking No [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► so some very different strategies in the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► early age of cylinders that you talk to [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► and to wrap all this up our friend [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► Steven Hackett had a nice post about his [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► smart speaker conundrum and I think it [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► is similar to a lot of tech nerd people [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► who may have man manners they may have [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► gone in too deep with like too much [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► different stuff like well my lightbulbs [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► speak this but I like Apple stuff but I [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► subscribe to google play music but I [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► have you know it gets very confusing [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► very fast the short blog post you should [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► read it but just to get an idea of the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► choices that you have to make about what [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► sort of Internet of Things hardware [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► products you buy what software services [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► you pay for and can they all talk to [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► each other and work together and how you [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► figure out how to make your next [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► purchase do I continue to go down the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► road that I was going down before with a [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► bunch of Amazon things do I ditch [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► everything and go to an all Apple world [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► but what about the Sonos even Marco [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► who's mostly dedicated the a my own [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► thing is kind of in that situation [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► because you were saying you know do I [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► have to buy a Samus thing or maybe if [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► the so most will just by existing echo [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► products will talk to my existing Sonos [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► what do I do or do I switch over to be [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► completely someone else and get rid of [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the echos because why do I need them if [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► this oness all have smarter of things in [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► them but can the Sonos thing talk to my [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► light bulbs I don't know I'm kind of [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► glad I'm I'm out of this market for the [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► most part other than having a cylinder [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► that I can talk to but it doesn't things [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► don't look smooth over there this is all [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► I could say yeah I mean this is and [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► first of all some quick follow-up well [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► some half follow-up last episode I had I [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► had questioned whether it was possible [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to just set up your Amazon echo devices [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► to talk to existing Sonos devices [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► without having the news owners one the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► answer is yes that I set it up tonight [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► however I didn't actually test it out [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► because I was too busy playing start to [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► valley all night but I will add two you [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► know to this discussion that [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► for just general like kind of buying [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► advice or you know guiding people for [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► what to do why all this stuff is getting [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► all crazy like this as much as possible [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► get things that speak multiple languages [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► basically like you know the like the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► Sonos if so knows ends up really pulling [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► this off in a big way like if they [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► really do have airplay to support which [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► is not having Siri built-in but you know [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► that's but having airplay to it will [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► allow it even better integration with [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► the Apple ecosystem so if they pull off [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► airplay to which they promise for next [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► year if they pull off the Google system [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► which they also promise I believe for [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► next year or is that immediate do you [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► member anyway they put in Google system [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► sometime soon and right now there are a [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► few weird little asterisks about voice [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► control so basically the with so noticed [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► you can't access Spotify through voice [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► control even though the echo products [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► can and and you can't access Apple music [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► through voice control even though the [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► Sonos products can so there's all these [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► little weird exceptions to like well it [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► can do mostly everything except it can't [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► do this little exception I came for this [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► low exception kind of like USB see there [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► anyways all these little exceptions so [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► it's hard to say for sure like you know [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► this device or this device can do [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► everything but it sure does look like [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► you know Google is never going to [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► integrate anything like their goals [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► never gonna have Siri or airplay to from [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► Apple they're never going to have [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► probably the Amazon assistant or the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► kind of integrations amazon has amazon's [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► also never never going to have the stuff [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► from Apple but will also never do the [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► Google assistant Sano's is probably set [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► up so far with the things we know to [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► have the most support from the most [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► places which is why it's interesting [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► even though it has those weird little [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► exceptions to things and when you're [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► buying products like smart home stuff [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► these days it's not that hard to find [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► stuff that supports both home kit and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► the the Amazon devices so you might as [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► well do that when you can but all this [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► stuff is so so early that it's still [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► advisable to just wait on a host of [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► the stuff even though it's fun like if [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► if you are averse to having to replace [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► some of the gear you buy now in a year [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► or two when standards change or when you [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► want to change eco systems or when some [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► ego system cuts off some other your [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► system that used to be integrated if [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► you're averse to that just don't buy [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► anything yet if you do jump in now be [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► prepared for that possibility in some [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► respects are saying like apples is off [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► there in the corner like with its [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► proprietary stuff that it's never gonna [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► mix with anybody else and that it hasn't [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► even shipped it's it's very first [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► cylinder and who knows how good it will [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► even be and meanwhile everyone else on [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► their second or third iteration and has [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► this big ecosystem and lots of users and [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► stuff but on the other hand the [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► advantage of the Apple still has because [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► there is still no dominant real really [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► dominant player in this market on the [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► hardware or software side at this point [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► except for I guess maybe Amazon but I [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► don't think they ever tell us what they [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► sell is that if you do go all Apple you [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► subscribe to Apple music you buy Apple [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► stuff you buy the Apple home pod you [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► have you know airplay support and all [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► your thing is you have Apple TV's [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► everywhere at least you can be sure all [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that stuff works together whereas I mean [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► I guess Google if you have an Android [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► phone and a home thing you're kind of in [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► the same situation but Amazon doesn't [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► have you know a desktop laptop operating [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► system they have a tablet OS but I don't [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► know if you're really gonna buy that [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► tablet they don't have a phone anymore [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► right they don't sell the fire felt like [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that no one has as complete an ecosystem [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► as Apple and so no one can offer the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► type of just buy everything from us and [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► your whole life from your computer to [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► your phone to your television to your [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► tear we're cylinder speaker that you [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► talk to [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► well I'm subscribed to our music service [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► we'll all work together they've got the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► biggest picture I supposed to Google [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► does two if you count like the Google [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► those weird Google laptops and the [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► Chromebooks and stuff as well although I [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► tend not to count those so if you had [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► money to burn and you wanted to make [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► sure you had a system that all work [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► together that would be one way to go [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► swimming out boy if you ship that stuff [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► and it was any good but I don't see how [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► that can hold long-term I you know and [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► if Apple just wants the high-end and if [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► some of us isn't successful then maybe [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► they can get that but I hope eventually [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► standards start to emerge and coalesce [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► and it's it becomes more clear [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► what the safe approaches when you buy [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► and have some reasonable chance that it [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► will be useful for a long time but like [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► Margot said right now there is nothing [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► that's the case for you want to buy and [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► play with it's cool and it's fun fine [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► but don't buy it and then two years be [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► all annoyed because you have to replace [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► half of it or you know it becomes [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► obsolete or doesn't work with your new [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► new light bulbs or whatever [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► I am also I'm increasingly concerned [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► about apples chances to really make a [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► dent in this market because at you know [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► as everyone else progresses and advances [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► so quickly the the possible advantages [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► Apple has keep getting I think that list [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► keeps getting shorter and that on the [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► main factors of the reasons why people [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► buy and use these things I am [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► increasingly concerned about apples [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► competitiveness so for instance you know [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► not only my previous concerns about [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► things like price connectivity and the [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► quality of Siri and and the consistency [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► of Syria to react quickly and correctly [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► to as many queries as possible I'm [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► increasingly concerned that if having a [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► large ecosystem of compatible [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► you know Internet of Things things and [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► you know if that's important or if [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► interoperability with anything else with [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► any of these other systems are important [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► or if third-party apps support is [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► important apples are gonna really fall [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► down hard in those areas probably for a [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► very long time if not forever [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► and so I really I really have concerns [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► like not that they'll sell none of these [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► things they'll sell some but are we [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► looking at the next Amazon echo or we're [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► looking to the next iPod hi-fi took a [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► while they are going to and they have [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► loosened up the homekit stuff in various [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► ways which shows I think they know that [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► they need to do something but my biggest [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► concern with Apple is everyone else is [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► shipping and shipping again and multiple [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► generations like it was hoist this up [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► from it was down in the topic section I [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► didn't talk about speak about the Google [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► home max and minnie which is the whole [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► mini is a tiny little puck thing kind of [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► like the look yeah kodanda yeah and then [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► the max is a big you know so no size [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► multi-speaker thing it's got two big [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► woofers and two big tweeters you know [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► for better sound this is Google's annex [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► second or maybe third iteration of their [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► they're home products and they already [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► have multiple form factors in three [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► different sizes Apple still has not [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► shipped it's one single form factor very [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► first cylinder they're so far behind you [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► can't be in this game if you haven't [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► even shipped your thing yet where is the [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► you know the three different sizes of [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► Apple stuff you know the second or third [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► revision of the hardware and software [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and you know the ecosystem that's built [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► up around it that's you have to ship you [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► have to be you have to start make your [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► first one that doesn't seem like you can [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► do much and people aren't that [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► interested in then make your second one [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► then make your line of three new ones [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and just they they have a lot of [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► catching up to do if they if they want [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► to do something here and they're just [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► lucky essentially that no one standard [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► or thing has to really completely run [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► away with it and again maybe maybe [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► that's not true maybe Amazon has run [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► away with it and we just don't know [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► because people are shy about their sales [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► numbers but and you know Google is an [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► also-ran that very few people get but I [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► don't know and I get more apples [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► marketing and brand recognition is [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► something that could save it if they're [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► a practice actually good but we'll see [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► do you think it's still gonna ship this [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► year did they say was supposed to I kept [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► thinking I was gonna ship next year no [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► they they said home pop was I believe [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► they said either later this year or [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► December I forget which is counted as [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► because they said such a late ship data [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► it's like well you're not making the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► holiday so who the hell cares [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► just pretend it's next year yeah it [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► sounded kind of like they were gonna [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► like pretty much miss the holidays but [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► maybe you can place an order on December [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► 15th even though you probably won't [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► probably won't get it by the holidays [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► like I that's kind of odd but like [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► they're not going to launch this thing [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► without having another event right like [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► because right now we know nothing about [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► its capabilities all we know is that [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► it's sound plays music that's always but [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► we don't know how it plays music [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► we don't know like you don't know [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► anything about Siri on it we don't know [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► anything about any other kind of smart [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► anything about it like we we they were [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► able to show nothing basically [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► so they probably wouldn't launch it [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► without some kind of small event or at [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► least private demo [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► I don't like but time is running out in [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► the year for when they might do that [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► yeah like I don't like I'm I would bet [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► especially as we've heard [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► nothing about it since then I bet it I [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► bet mrs. this year [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► I bet it's delayed which is even more [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► concerning if it's true don't become [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► with an Apple TV remote that you hold [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► down the speaker button and talk and do [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► when you wanted to play something on [TS]

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00:43:34 ◼   ► right any other follow-up oh yes there [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► is one more which I am deeply afraid to [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► bring up somebody has written hi Sierra [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► update and then some but it was this me [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► did I write this maybe I wrote this god [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► I need a drink [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► yes seriously I don't know what you're [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► doing Casey's fear in his FOMO I don't [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► know why I wrote this cuz I wrote a [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► taste go but these women write and I [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► wrote it you don't even know what you [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► wrote [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► because you were asking before like if [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► you wrote you wrote fomo in here you did [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► that's a very kc thing to say [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► not kc thing to say sure but you're [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► you're above that I thought I didn't [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► think anyway it's the thing that you say [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► a lot so it's a good anyway this is [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► about you asking hey can I update hi [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► Sierra have freaking permission no you [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► just want reassurance in any way so it [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► like it's a balancing of your fear which [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► is like what if updated and house is my [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► computer and you're follow which is like [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► everyone else to run hi Sierra and [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► they're all having fun and hi Sierra and [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► I'm over here and just plain old Sierra [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► it's not high at all and I don't have [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► the cool new desktop background which is [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► the most important feature no I that [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► that I don't care about the most [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► important features Apple watch unlock [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► for my fancy cellular Apple watch the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► desktop background is actually really [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► nice though so last time we talked I had [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► some peer about it it was like I'm not [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► fucking an update and it's a little bit [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► scary and you know you got the new file [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► system and the new version of photos and [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► hearing some weird stories and so on and [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► so forth but actually shortly after that [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► show an opportunity presented itself to [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► just update my wife's computer after [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► doing umpteen backups and so I did and [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► it was entirely uneventful other than [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► one one thing which I mean it's kind of [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► all tied up in the OS the new version of [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► photos which I've been playing with a [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► lot is being a little bit cranky I don't [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► know if I want to blame this on a new [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► version of photos because if you google [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► for the error I'm getting it is a many [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► many years old error Mike it's for the [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► entire life of the photos application [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► you can go back in time and see this is [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► not there's not a new phenomenon but [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► it's a thing where it hangs there in [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► closing library like you do you quit and [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► it shows a tiny little window that says [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► closing the library dot dot dot and then [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► it will just hang there forever you [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► leave it overnight and come back it'll [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► still stay closed in the library and of [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► course you don't want to kill it right [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► because you're like well it's gonna [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► corrupt its library or whatever it's [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► like oh just hold down the option key [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► when you launch it and you can repair [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► your database which I did and it took a [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► really long time to run and it repaired [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► and then I use photos for and then I [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► quit it's a closing library I just sent [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► that for a long time so I did a bunch of [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► samples I filed a bug they sent me back [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► some scary instructions to enable the [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► super duper debug mode on photos which I [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► may do if I get desperate but that's the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► only problem I've had other than that I [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► just just pretend like nothing ever [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► happened there's like a new desktop [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► backgrounds for everybody and photos has [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► a bunch of new features in it but it's [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► still slow by the way and so I'm fine it [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► doesn't mean Casey should update cuz [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► maybe it will be disastrous for you but [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► I did it and nothing weird happened all [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► my time machine updates in here to run [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► crash planking things run no software [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► stopped working everything it just like [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► there's one of those updates where you [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► know it it seems like nothing actually [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► happens I guess means that I'm not [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► taking advantage of whatever a cool new [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► features are in there that I'm supposed [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► to be looking at but it's fine with me [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► that's what I wanted I wanted to be [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► uneventful and so far other than photos [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► being photos it is so I actually have hi [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► Sierra on both my work and my work [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► computer in my MacBook adorable and it's [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► been just fine but I've been scared / [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► hesitant to do it on my iMac because god [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► forbid there is some sort of issue with [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► you know my podcast equipment or [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► whatever I guess I could fall back to [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► Erin's MacBook Air and presumably pour [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► another cup of water on it but I'd [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► rather not have a problem but I [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► basically asked in the relay slack hey [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► have you guys upgraded and Dan Morey and [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► I think one or two other people had said [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► yes I have and it's been fine and it's [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► like I said it's been fine in every [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► other regard other than podcasting but I [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► hadn't tried any of the podcast related [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► stuff yet and I think the more the story [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► is I'm probably gonna do it after we [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► record this show not like tonight but [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► you know sometime in the next few days [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► make backups my computer that I'm [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► recording this podcast on is still [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► running El Capitan because it's my 2000 [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► a Mac Pro and Karen's here oh that's [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► fine like I'm saying is I wasn't if I [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► was trying to do it on the computer [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► where I recorded podcast maybe I'd be [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► even more wary but my wife's computer I [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► felt like you know I had her permission [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► more or less I talked to her about it [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► she just I was trying to say I you know [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► I'm thinking of you know it might I told [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► her it might take many many hours [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► because you can't say oh the update will [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► take like an hour but like you know what [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► if it had gone wrong with an add to [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► restore from backup that's like look [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► just I'm going to start this process at [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► noon on a Wii [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► again if I started a new and worst case [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► scenario you get your computer back [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► tomorrow midday as I just spent hours [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► doing tremendous amounts of io right all [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► right so let's do some ask ATP let's see [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► it'll start with Kyle Kyle writes in to [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► say hey ATP what browser do you guys use [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► I like the idea of using Safari on all [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► my devices but Chrome's extensions are [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► so much better [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► I do use I think I got this idea from [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► Marco actually I do use Chrome on [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► occasion as like my Google Docs slash [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► flash quarantine the flash part isn't [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► really a thing barely ever anymore but [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► from time to time I need it for some [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► reason or another other usually [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► restaurants but I use it for Google Docs [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► which is why I have it open for tonight [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► because I have that our show notes in [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► Google Docs [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► but generally speaking 99% of my web [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► browsing for anything personal is Safari [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► on every platform I also use Google for [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► work-related things because our work is [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► all in on Google Apps but other than [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► work and other than basically when I [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► record the show it's pretty much all [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► Safari to me I am NOT a heavy extensions [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► user on either browser personally I I [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► can't fathom using Chrome full-time [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► especially on a laptop but really at all [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► because I find it to be no faster than [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► Safari which I know everyone's gonna [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► write in and tell me how wrong I am but [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► I don't find it to be any faster than [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► Safari and it is such a battery hog that [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► it's just I can't do it I don't know and [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► personally I don't know why anyone would [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► so with that in mind Marco what do you [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► use pretty much same thing I've been [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► doing for a long time now which is [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► Safari for almost everything and then [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► Chrome on the desktop as you described [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► for either sites I don't trust or things [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► that require flash or things that are [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► generally in the Google ecosystem so [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► Google Docs as you mentioned it's kind [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► of like my podcasting brush like I'm I [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► have open now so like my first few tabs [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► or all like the stuff that I needed to [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► record podcast stuff because it started [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► out being Google Docs and it kind of you [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► know became my convention from there and [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► also I use Facebook for a couple of [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► groups that have to be a part of and so [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► I don't even have the app installed on [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► my phone or anything [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► I keep Facebook only in Chrome [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► and yeah not do anywhere else and don't [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► have you know their creepiness attract [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► me you know tracking me all over the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► place and etc I i respect why people [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► like chrome that there were times in my [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► professional career and my home life [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► where I have used chrome full time I [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► ended up switching back after a while [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► but chrome is fine I just really like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► Safari a lot better so I run both Chrome [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and Safari all the time on all my [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► computers that I use which may sound [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► crazy remember I'd use desktops or I [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► have a lot of type of work that I [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► pretend is a desktop so I don't care [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► about battery because everything's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► always plugged in now is this because [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► you're hitting some kind of limit on how [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► many tabs and windows that one of them [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► can have open at once you know why do I [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► do it this split by I feel like there [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► are advantages to both browsers Safari [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► has always been and still as my default [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► so if I click a link in anything it [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► opens in Safari I like both browsers a [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► lot Chrome I use all my Google stuff in [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► I use Gmail for my email and I figure [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► like there's a nice synergy which I'm [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► sure that like Google's properties or [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► whatever will all work well in Chrome [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► because it's in Google's interest to [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► make sure that's that they I'm sure they [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► work fine in Safari too but it just [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► seems more natural for me to do all my [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► Google stuff I use a Google Calendar [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► Google Docs you know all that stuff is [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► in Chrome and Safari for general web [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► browsing I use Chrome for general [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► browsing too cuz Safari still does [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► nothing occasionally to me where it just [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► says I'm not into loading web pages [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► anymore I always feel like it's selling [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► to me you have too many windows open [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► right like you've got a lot of Lee [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► you've got a lot of browser windows open [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► I know that you typed an address to the [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► address bar and hit return I might just [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► stay here as a white window for a while [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► to punish you for having like maybe I'm [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► not gonna load windows anymore and [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► furthering that fact and sometimes I'll [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► be like all right what if I close one of [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► these background windows and it's like [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► okay now I can load like I've said this [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► before like it feels like it's out of [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► file descriptors that's not what's [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► happening it doesn't say that in the [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► console but it's that type of feeling [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► where it's like it's exhaust is some [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► kind of resource whereas Chrome every [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► single time I open a new window or tab [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► and type a URL into the address bar and [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► hit return it loads the damn page every [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► single time [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► does and that is super important to me [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► and I love chrome for that and I also [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► use Chrome's dev tools and I don't love [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► this about Chrome but I use it for anode [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► debugging to I know there are better [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► solutions I'm just still stuck using [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► Chrome for that so I use both but [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► safaris my default but I do really love [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► Chrome and not because of all the [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► extensions I do have extensions [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► installed I just I just think it's a [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► good reliable web browser all right [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► Sebastian writes in continuing on the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► John portion of the show what are John's [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► thoughts on the new Accord and we kind [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► of touched on this in what will probably [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► end up being the after show that we [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► talked about before we started really [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► recording so you may not have heard this [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► listeners but there will be more a chord [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► talk at some point or another but John [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► what are your thoughts on the new Accord [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► I think it's ugly er than my generation [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► of a chord which is a shame I like the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► fact that you get the stick shift with [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► the big engine I'm not sure about [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► anything beyond that because I haven't [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► actually driven it myself all I can say [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► is that it seems like Honda is going in [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► the right direction with those cars and [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► it's getting good reviews but I'm kind [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► of glad that both I and my wife got the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► previous generation the only thing I'm [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► really jealous of in the new one is the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► infotainment because my apartment is [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► dire and this one is less dire koumei [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► writes in for command line work do you [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► just use terminal or are you partial to [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► a third-party app and so marcos since [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► you were quiet before let's start with [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► you I had forgotten that there even were [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► third-party terminal app site so it [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► weighs is this the question about [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► third-party terminal window like [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► terminal clients or is it about like [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► using gooeys versus terminal commands [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► for things like MySQL and get and stuff [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like that let's make it all of the above [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► so hey what what what what shell are you [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► on B and what kind of Orion whatever you [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► please don't confuse that with terminal [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► you know it's one of my pet peeves why [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► would you do that to me John I was one [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► of your pet peeves actually I wasn't [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► either but okay so a long list are you [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► on a bash or something else or whatever [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► ridiculous one that John insists on are [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► you on the the stock terminal app or [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► something else and when you're doing [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► things like git do you tend to do that [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► on the command line or else [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► so all three of those starting with [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► Marco and I have answers as well but [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► I'll round I'll round us all out at the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► end okay I use apples normal terminal [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► app I find it great I have never sought [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► a different one because I'm very happy [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► with it you know I use Bosch because you [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► know probably the same reason most [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► people use Bosch it's already there and [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► it's what I've always known I know there [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► are better shells out there but it has [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► just never been worth it for me to not [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► only you know learn new shell but then [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► to put it on all the different not only [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► Mac's but all the servers that I login [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► to I mean I log in to like 30 surfers on [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► a regular basis so it's not like yes I [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► can't you know you could try to like [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► automate stuff but like it would just it [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► would be a pain for me to switch away [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► from bash and IR and it's fine I know [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► it's not amazing but it's fine as for [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► you know gooeys versus terminal commands [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► for you know things that programmers [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► deal with so things like git MySQL you [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► know PHP and any kind of like in a [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► database source control kind of stuff I [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► use terminals terminal commands for [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► almost all of it including any kind of [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► you know MySQL administration things [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► like that the only thing I really use [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► gooeys for is I do still use them I do [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► now use them forget I used the the get [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► tower app for Mac it is wonderful and I [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► I know most of the git commands that you [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► know to use it via terminal or by [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► command line but get is terrible on the [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► command line I mean it's hard enough to [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► understand in a GUI let alone the [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► command line and so I find that while I [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► can do these things in the command line [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► I usually prefer not to because not only [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► is the GUI less error-prone and more [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► intuitive for these kind of things but [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► it also provides some really nice [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► features like the way it it diffs and [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► displays commits and and and file diffs [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► and per line difts and everything it's [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► really nice people to visualize that and [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► a really nice GUI so I can tell like [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► what have I changed in this file what am [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► I actually committing you know here and [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► we're exactly what lines have changed [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► where have they changed it just it's way [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► you know all the stuff is possible on [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► the command line but it's just so much [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► easier in the GUI John Courtney [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► forgotten what all their questions okay [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► the terminal app I use the default [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► terminal one and always have it has been [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► very reliable to me [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► I think I first fell in love with it [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► when i saw the unlimited scroll back [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► feature that's all i want life girl back [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► use all my memories life just scroll [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► back cuz I might keep my computer [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► running for a long time and windows open [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► for a month although actually I'm kind [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► of a bit of a serial command carrier in [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► terminal like trunk getting the scroll [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► back which I shouldn't do and I should [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► use marks but I don't but anyway [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► plain old terminal I have dabbled and [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► things like I term and stuff but just [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► terminal as is what I've always used and [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► it's always been so reliable and it just [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► does its job and all the the basics like [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► copying pasting text and having it you [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► know not copy hard line breaks at the [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► end like crappy Windows terminal [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► programs do and stuff like that just [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► everything works fine when I and when I [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► when I scroll my mouse wheel or you know [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► like or use the the cursor in Emacs and [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► it picks it up like I don't have to set [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► all that stuff up it's the terminal type [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► is set correctly for all the Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► things expected to be anyway it's fine [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► I'm sure the other ones are better but I [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► don't use them so plain old terminal for [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► what was the next one command line [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► versus GUI apps for shell program or [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► anything Oh she'll should I use a cc SH [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► because that's what was installed on the [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► ACS system at bu when I entered College [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► in 1993 that's it I just have a [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► collection of doute files that I've been [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► building up since then I have also [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► dabbled in other shells but I was no way [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► I'm gonna redo all my dot files and [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► aliases I like tssh and it would take me [TS]

00:59:14 ◼   ► a while for any shell I actually tried [TS]