The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I I looked at the show notes for this [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► week a lot of issues that I really don't [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► care about cool though uh I might not [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► have a lot to say this week well you can [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► adjust it to be things you do care about [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► the thing is the thing that that's in [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► the show notes that I think that I don't [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► care about the way that I expect to talk [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► that we'll be talking about for a while [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► is the echo and the thing with the echo [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► is that I'm the one that doesn't care [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► about it it's not like the world doesn't [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► care about it you know what I mean like [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► nobody cares about the Mac Pro except [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► you two numbskulls [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► but everyone cares about the about the [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► echo so it's not one of those things [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► like that like the Mac Pro that I that I [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► would at least attempt you know to [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► railroad you two and change the subject [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► this one I know is worth talking about I [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► just don't have anything to say I mean [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► if it make you more interested we could [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► talk about the new Google rectangles of [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► whatever they launched uh yeah you know [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► we should maybe make passing mention of [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► that in fact I guess we can do it now [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► because some new phones and laptops no [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► one's gonna buy I didn't know about the [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► laptops but I knew about the phones it [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► was it's a Chromebook that no one's [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► gonna buy because it's way too expensive [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► just like their previous pixel book or [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► whatever it was yeah so they also [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► announced the pixel to I believe it is [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► which is their rough equivalent I would [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► say more equivalent to the iPhone eight [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► than the iPhone ten uh what is the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► officially ATP stance on ten versus X [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► are we are we ignoring the official [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► ruling I'm assuming John I don't know [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► why people are rebelling against us just [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► say ten I don't like I did it for like [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► decade and a half with Mac OS ten [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► somehow now we've just lost that ability [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna try really hard to just avoid [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► saying it for a while because I don't I [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► do not like that was called ten I really [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► I really think it should have been [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► called X if they were going to spell it [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► like that and there are so many better [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► reasons to call it X and the fact is the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► entire world is going to call it X like [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► either you could go into an Apple store [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► and ask people about this thing and not [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► a single person there including the [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► staff would say ten everybody calls it X [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► so it's gonna be like this pedantic [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► thing that Apple nerds are gonna be [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► battling for the next year or more [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► depending on how long this name is [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► relevant and we're just going to be [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► sitting is like it's ten [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► don't you know it's done it like no no [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► one knows everyone's going to say X like [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► we we are we will we probably already [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► have lost this battle on such a [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► massively bigger scale than we ever were [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► even trying to battle on Mac OS X or 10 [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► and the fact is most people didn't ever [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► really have to say OS 10 you know but [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► everyone says the name of the iPhone and [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► a lot more people have them than I've [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► ever had Mac's so it's I think it would [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► you know calling it the 10 was a bad [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► move and also they're going to lose you [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► know the public perception of this name [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► if they haven't already [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► so reguarly I don't think we're ever [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► gonna convince John to have the show [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► have an official position other than 10 [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► however I will file a dissenting opinion [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► that I believe it should be called X and [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► I might occasionally call it X because [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► that's what I called in my head and I'll [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► try to say 10 around you guys just like [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► you know I appreciate when people try to [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► say on line instead of in line in front [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► of New Yorkers but I don't think I'm [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► gonna be able to do it I'm going to slip [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► up and we're gonna have to be ok with [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► that because the entire world is going [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► to call it iPhone X I don't see how this [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► is any different than Mac OS 10 except a [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► rest scale the whole world called it X [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► for the Mac OS 2 but that didn't stop [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► everyone who knows the difference in the [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► Mac community from saying 10 I think [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► should be same way of course a slip-up [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► every once in a while but like to take a [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► contrary stance and to purposely say X [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► instead that's silly and all the reasons [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► everyone else is going to say X instead [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► of 10 don't apply to us because we know [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► how it's said well but it's a little [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► different to because like it's when you [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► like almost no one ever has to give the [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► full name of the OS of their computer [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that they have we're at like but if [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► there can if they were all called power [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► bucks and like people would always say [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► power book and we'd be like you know its [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► power book like that that would be way [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► more ridiculous seeming you don't have [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► to correct people though like just [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► because you say 10 doesn't mean you have [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► to be the person who corrects other [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► people right just oh we're just talking [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► about is what will you say or try to say [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► because obviously you slip up in sex [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► right that's it it doesn't mean when [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► people say X you're gonna correct them [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► or be obnoxious about it or whatever but [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► it's just what about what we're gonna [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► say and again I don't think this is we [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► didn't have this discussion about Mac OS [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► 10 I heard who's gonna say X no we just [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► we just salsa 10 and if you messed up [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► and said X oh well but it has nothing to [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► do with what other people say or whether [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you should correct them so I don't think [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► there's a debate to be well but but Mac [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► OS is not Mac OS is a terrible analogy [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► for a couple of reasons number one it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► was established before most people came [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► to the Mac and yes I know John he's been [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► using the Mac since 1912 bla bla but for [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► like Marco and I we came to the Mac when [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it was already clearly established and a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► couple versions in two OS 10 so there [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► this train had already left the station [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► but it was clearly established everyone [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► said X the only people who said 10 was [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► like Apple nerds it's a no said X [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► because it was like it was literally [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► never said there's nothing like you know [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► it's like the like the the 10 [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► commercials they just show the text they [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► don't really have announced they're [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► talking about it so it's the same [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► situation anyway it'll be fine like just [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► just say 10 you'll be fine [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► well the other thing is like if you were [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► communicating to somebody who thought [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► that it was X if you say Mac OS 10 I [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► think they can figure that out pretty [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► easily if you say iPhone 10 to a person [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► who thinks it's iPhone X they're not [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► going to know what you're talking about [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► that'll be fine it's like gift jiff [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► they'll figure it out I don't even start [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► with that and like gif gif I feel like [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► if you surrender to the other person's [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► incorrect pronunciation that is you lose [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► right so just you say it the right way [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► and eventually they'll bend to your will [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► yeah in a conversation it will I get in [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► a gif gif conversation the first person [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► to give and to use the other person's [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► pronunciation loses I see what you're [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► saying there but the other thing the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► other thing I was gonna say earlier you [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► know other than then OS 10 having [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► already been established by the time [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► mark when I got there is that nobody [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► really gives a crap about Mac OS I do [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you to do but nobody in the grand scheme [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► of things gives crap about Mac OS [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► whereas there are many many many many [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► people who give a crap and many more [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► people who give a crap about iPhones a [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► crap about iPhone names believe me [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► 5c 5s success success [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► only we know those names that people [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► want to do they buy those phones it's [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► like whatever I got the plus do you have [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► the plus no everyone knows which iPhone [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► they have they all know that believe [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► don't know about that people knows like [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► oh I have I have a successor like people [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► know that I don't think they do they all [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► look the same you know anyway it'll be [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► fine just we'll just we should set an [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► example for everybody else by saying ten [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► I do not agree so anyway so so Google [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► released the pixel to in pixels who [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► Excel let me start by saying that I did [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► not watch any of the keynote because I [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► was in meetings and I all I knew was [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► that this this thing happened and you [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► know most of my co-workers that are [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► local in my office are all Android users [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the co-workers on the mobile team and so [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► I get a lot of like the the bleed from [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► them being enthusiastic right like that [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► you know just because they're [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► enthusiastic I'm interested in what's [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► going on and so you know I asked one of [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► them you know what's the executive [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► summary and they actually linked me to [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the verge which I am NOT the biggest [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► verge fan but it's a pretty good [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► executive summary of what what's going [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► on here and I'll talk about in a minute [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► but what was most fascinating and [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► frustrating to me was that one of my [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► co-workers one of the QA guys he's he's [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► the iOS QA person but his personal phone [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► is an Android phone and he sent me a [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► screenshot of his reservation or order [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► or whatever it was for his brand new [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► pixel - he sent this to me like ten [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► minutes after the keynote imagine that [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► gentleman imagined moments after the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► keynote you could go to a company that [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► actually understands that the Internet [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► is a thing and you could order your [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► device right then and there in the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► middle of the day like an adult instead [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► of having to wake up like a friggin [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► animal at 3:00 in the morning just throw [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► money at Apple because we're idiots that [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► just need it pulsing through our veins [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► it made me so angry when I found out [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► that he could just order right then and [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► there like it was nothing oh well I mean [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► no grumpy in all fairness a nobody [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► comparably buys these things or wants [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► them and be [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► at Google screws have lots of other [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► stuff about selling phones correctly [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► things like support returns [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► there's no retail angle really I mean [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► there's all silly apples way ahead of [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► Google when it comes to the business of [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► selling people phones and then [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► supporting them by so many miles that [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► it's comical to even compare them but [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► yeah I mean really what this really [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► comes down to ultimately is that they [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► can open their pre-orders for this thing [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► immediately and sell it you know I start [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► song immediately because the the numbers [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► are so much dramatically smaller than [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► what Apple sells and so comparably few [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► people are even paying attention let [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► alone ordering these things and using [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► them and owning them that it's it's a [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► totally different game you know who's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► paying attention I'm paying attention to [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► the fact that you tried to skip follow [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► up and ask in a pre-show yeah you send [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► me links to these things so Google for [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► them and just I don't see what you're [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► talking about all right I will put a [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► link in the show notes in the chat in [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► the robot it will be everywhere but the [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► reason that this ran all ran long was [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► because we got talking about names and [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► how stupid iPhone 10 is and then we're [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► getting sidetracked with me moaning [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► about having to wake up at 3 in the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► morning to spend an absurd amount of [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► money that I should be so lucky as to [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► have on a phone that I don't need so [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► moving on from first world problems from [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► my first world problems the most [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► fascinating thing to me well there's a [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► couple interesting things to me about [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► these pixel 2 devices one is the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► aesthetic look of them so if you go to [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the verge post and you know they have [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► this tremendous video right up front and [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► then you scroll down a little bit and [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► you see these phones and in a lot of [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► ways they remind me of like older [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► iPhones when you look at the top half [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► and I can't really put my finger on why [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► I guess it's because it's you know more [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► rectangular I guess but then as you [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► scroll down the page maybe is just cuz [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► my window is smaller but anyway as I [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► scroll down I see the bottom of the [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► phone I realize is it upside down [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► because the top and bottom look exactly [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the same that's a little bit peculiar to [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► me now in the defense of this phone I [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► believe you know both of these are [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► certainly speakers and having like the [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► stereo speakers that are pointed at you [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► rather than having the bottom speaker [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► pointed down and the top speaker pointed [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► at your face that's kind of cool [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► but aesthetically this looks odd to me [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► you go squeeze it to get Google [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► assistant yes that's right I forgot [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► about that that's a good point I [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► wouldn't have brought that up and so I'm [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► glad you reminded me but yeah what do [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► they call it they had some truly [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► terrible marketing name for it like [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► active something or something like that [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► active squeeze squeeze active edge [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► squeezable sides there you go that's [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► awful active edge how truly terrible is [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that that's even worse than Apple's [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► modern like undiscoverable gestures [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► that's that's like what do you think is [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► worse like squeeze for assistant or [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► shake to undo I don't know it's tough [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► call but the thing that was most [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► interesting to me about this was the way [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► they're doing portrait mode and I mean [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► this genuinely I'm not I'm not trying to [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► snark the way they're doing portrait [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► mode is and I'm probably gonna get the [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► details slightly wrong but in the the [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► single rear lens they don't do a - lens [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► setup like like Apple does or 16 lens [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► setup like our friends at light do but [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► they do a single lens but what's [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► interesting is each of the pixels in the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► sensor is apparently two different [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► pixels and I know that doesn't make [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► sense and that's the best I can do to [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► explain it without really going into [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► nuance but suffice to say they've [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► effectively got a two line system or [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► really I guess I should say a two sensor [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► system because the actual single sensor [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► does a two-for-one its i guess it's a [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► closeout sale anyway it has it is two [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► pixels forever [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► we're I guess one pixels worth of data [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► if that makes any sense at all so what [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► they do is they kind of have the the two [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► I'm saying lens and I don't mean that I [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► guess literally they have a similar set [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► up to the two line system that Apple has [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► but they have it with only one lens and [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► then they used you know machine learning [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► which is Google's favorite thing and you [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► know what I don't blame them because [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► they actually can do it pretty well they [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► use machine learning to kind of [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► extrapolate and interpret what these two [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► pixels are seeing in order to get their [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► own portrait mode which coincidentally [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► they've littered [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► called portrait mode I just thought that [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► was kind of cool on a client a clever [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► approach because having the two lenses [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► on the back I mean I don't it doesn't [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► offend me but I don't think it looks [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► particularly great especially with the [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► camera bump which this does not have I'm [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► sorry it does have a kid no you're right [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► my fingerprint sensor on the back too [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► right yes it does and I apologize you're [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► absolutely right about the camera bump [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► yeah I mean these phones like and you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► know just superficially the pixel the [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► regular pixel to like the regular-sized [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► one not the plus-sized one the the top [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► and bottom bezels have looked comically [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► large by today's standards like that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► like it's funny like yeah yeah iPhone 10 [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► comes out and immediately ruins the look [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► of all previous iPhone proportions [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► forever right and like the pixel two has [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► pretty much all iPhone abortions and and [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► it looks just impossibly old now the to [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► the pixel to 10 L has much more of like [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► an s8 style proportion where it's almost [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► it's it's kind of like what people want [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► Apple to do with the iPhone 10 where [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► they lop off the top and bottom and just [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► make it black and just give a curved [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► thing in the middle and I don't I don't [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► think it's that attractive honestly so [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► maybe this is kind of why Apple didn't [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► do that like maybe they found the same [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► thing they try it and there's a car that [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► just doesn't look as good I don't know [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► but anyway [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► every time that like a new Google [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► official phone comes out back when they [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► were called nexuses and now that now [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► that they're called pixels here's what's [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► gonna happen [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► all the gadget nerds are going to fawn [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► all over certain features of this [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► they're all gonna say man this is the [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► best phone at you know feature X Y X Y [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► or Z or this is the best Android phone [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► ever made and then like in three months [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► Samsung is gonna come out with a better [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► one and no one will actually keep using [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► this phone long term everybody will tell [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► you like how great it is and they're so [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► glad Google's making these awesome [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► phones and this is the best at these [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► certain things but none of them will [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► actually switch to it permanently [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► they're all going to either go back to [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► their iPhones or they're going to go to [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► whatever Samsung launches next or go [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► back to what [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► recently because google just does not [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► they make this great hardware that [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► that's like good and reviews but it's [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► usually not class leading in like in the [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► in the big picture and also they never [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► sell very many of them comparably [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► speaking because their their retail [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► distribution game is crap compared to [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► all their competitors you know or at [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► least compared to Samsung and Apple so [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► it's it's funny it's fun to me to look [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► at these things when they come out and [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► say oh that's interesting is like [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► everyone else but it's hard for me to [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► ever see Google's launches like this [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► having a major impact in the market [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► really they have a major impact on [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► reviews that make it seem like they're [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► gonna have a major impact impact on the [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► market but they never do I don't know if [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► that's entirely true though because I [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► think these are the darling phones of [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► the people that are like us but like [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► Android and so your point is 90% true I [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► think but these certainly do make a big [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► splash and I think are held on to by the [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► people who really really truly love [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► Android now I won't make any snarky [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► comments about how many people that is [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► and I won't guess publicly that it's ten [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► but but nevertheless I do think it's [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► important to they all work on verge the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► other thing about this phone like the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► front I agree with you that the [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► proportions look wrong now that I've [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► seen an iPhone 10 but the back this [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► two-tone thing do not want like if you [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► scroll down the verge article it's [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► almost all the way at the bottom this [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► two-tone that they've had for two years [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► running now does not work for me at all [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I think it looks like garbage yeah I [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► mean no one's buying this phone for the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► looks let's be honest saying you know [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► same as other Google stuff in the past [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► like the people who buy this are [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► reviewers and people who really like [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► tech nerds who very closely follow like [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► Google and the Android world like it's [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► not gonna be a lot of normal consumers [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► yeah so I thought it was worth bringing [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► up and and I'm sorry that we have an [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► extended pre-show this time mr. siracusa [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► I kind of like the black-and-white one [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► orange button on the side it's kind of [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► stormtrooper II though is a good look [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► the most offensive thing about the back [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► is that terrible G logo yeah I noticed [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► that too it's pretty bad and I guess the [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► touch sensor how does the squeeze part [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► work if you have a case like does that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► impair squeeze ability do you have to [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► get a squeezable case do they live [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► little cutouts for both the belly button [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► and and the squeeze sides right like you [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► can imagine case it's like rigid all [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► around but then it has squishy areas for [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the squeeze no I mean like you know [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► everything I said earlier like I I don't [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► want this to be the case like I want [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► somebody in the Android world to make [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► phones that are really really nice and [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► that really kick Apple in the pants and [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► make everyone compete on a higher level [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► Samsung doesn't do that [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► you know Samsung makes phones that are [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► that have great specs but usually have [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► lots of downsides I got to say like they [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► are getting better at the physical [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► design side but they still always have a [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► lot of like weird like bizarre dumb [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► features and downsides and weird [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► decisions I think Google is coming [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► closest to being able to compete with [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► really nice stuff in the Android world [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► but they're just so far from actually [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► being on the same level that I don't [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► think Apple looks at this at all and is [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► threatened by this I also think that [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► again like their their lack of having [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► much retail power or distribution power [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► to get these things sold in large [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► volumes I think that just doesn't [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► intimidate Apple at all I wish there was [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► a higher level competition here but [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► there just isn't yet yeah I agree [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► all right 20 minutes later with the [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► pre-show oh man all right so let's let's [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► quote unquote start with some follow up [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► John how's your fan do you hear the fan [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► in your Apple TV and that's the thing [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► just one follow up how soon we all [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► forget anyway I do have my Apple TV 4k I [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► did I rotated my Apple TV's a couple of [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► notes about [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► thing first just to confirm about the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► output format thing the person who wrote [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► in to tell us that you can change to 24 [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► Hertz but only in 4k I found that also [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► to be the case despite the fact that my [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► television can accept 24 hours input the [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► Apple TV will not send it because it's [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► not a 4k TV so if I had a 4k TV I could [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► do 24 hours but because I have a 1080p [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► TV I can't [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► second thing is setting up the Apple TV [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► it's got the thing where you bring the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► phone near it was that in the old one or [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► is that the new home plaudit well it was [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► in the old one anyway [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► that was nice but then I realized oh I [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► have to redownload all my purchased apps [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► and then remember how they were arranged [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► and stuff like that if you're setting up [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► a new Apple TV 4k and find yourself in [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► that situation stop because there is a [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► setting somewhere in settings and the [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► Settings app did I figure what's call [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► like homescreen sync or something you [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► can tell it to make this Apple TV like [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► all your other Rapp TVs in other words [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► keep the home screens in sync with each [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► other and you turn that on and it will I [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► think it'll automatically download yes [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► but certainly it will rearrange them to [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► be in the same order as they were on [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► your other Apple TV which saves a lot of [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► time unfortunately you still have to log [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► in with all your applications and doing [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that is a super pain like there's this [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► feature I don't know if it's new because [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► I haven't set up an Apple TV in forever [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► but when you're launch an app and it [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► wants you to like log in like Allah like [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► into the Netflix app right and you have [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► to log in with your you know email [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► address and password or just how you [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► just log into Netflix everywhere and [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► when you do that Apple TV tries to [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► remember the email address you entered [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► because it's such a pain to enter things [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► with the remote so that the next time [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► you go to a different app to log in it [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► will give you a choice of recently used [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► email addresses there's actually a [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► section in settings it shows all you [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► recently use the email addresses which [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► sounds like a good idea because hey I [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► don't want to type that email address [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► more than one time but since I use the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► remote app on my phone to type things in [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► instead of using the terrible Apple TV [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► remote [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► there's some weird interaction [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► apparently no one at Apple ever did this [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► because I enter the email address does [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► that do that and you know it works fine [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and I sign it and everything like that [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► and then I go to the second app and says [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► choose from your recent email addresses [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► and it shows my iCloud email because it [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► knows that when the [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► I'm signed into iCloud at male TV and [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► then the other choice is the first [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► letter only of my previous email there's [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► like a single letter and as I entered in [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► multiple email addresses to sign into [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► multiple services it would only save the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► first letter I think it's because I was [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► typing it all on my phone like that the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► phone remote app that's a stupid [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► terrible bug I'm like alright well I'll [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► go into settings and I'll be able to [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► edit those nope all you can do is delete [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► them in settings so I got to delete all [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► the single character email addresses but [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► that's a dumb bug and they should fix [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► that but I do like the idea of it [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► remembering the feature for the other [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► things there's like that please select [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► your television provider right and my [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► television provider is on the list and [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► like oh this is great this is that [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► single sign-on thing I'm not quite sure [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► what's you doing with my provider like [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► what part of the process is streamlining [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► but having signed into umpteen [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► applications for all the services that I [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► subscribe to and being bounced from [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► webpage to application you know around [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and around in circles and going to like [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► youtube.com slash activate and all these [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► other URLs and typing in four-letter [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► codes [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► I don't think there was any single [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► sign-on did entering my television [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► provider saved me from in fact the worst [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► offender was I think it was Showtime or [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► something as far as I could tell they [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► want you they launched the app and it [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► says plea to go to like show time [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► anytime calm slash activate I mean I go [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► here I'm gonna do that I'm gonna type in [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► this code when you go there as far as I [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► can tell it demands that you download [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► their iOS app just so you can activate [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► their live TV you download the iOS app [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► and that's the only time you get to type [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► in the code it's logged me into [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► television apps is the worst thing ever [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► so home screen sync is great I wish [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► would also sync the fact that I'm logged [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► in to a million of these services and [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► someone added a one night final item [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► here about remote improvements as far as [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► I can tell there are none that I can [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► detect other than the raised ring which [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► helps less than I thought it would [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► because I think my main complaint I mean [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► I I guess I don't pick it up backwards [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► as much as most people because I look at [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► it and the reason I look at it because [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► it's like I said like so it's like a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► mousetrap or like the game of operation [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► like you just you have to look at it too [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► gingerly pick it up so that you don't [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► accidentally cause something to happen [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► people are saying that it is better [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► about axonal input but I don't like it [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► when the progress bar comes up and like [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► overlays the show that people are [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► watching frequently I will pick it up to [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► just you know use the volume or [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► something like that and [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► accidentally graze the touchpad and now [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► you got to do a five count for the you [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► know the progress bar to disappear off [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► the screen I don't like that remote it's [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► still bad I mean I will say that the the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► ring around the Menu button does help it [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► because it is noticeably raised and so [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► it now does feel different if you hold [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► it wrong and you can orient yourself by [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► feel with that button but that's the [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► only problem it solves this remote has [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► lots of other problems it doesn't [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► anybody solve that problem because if [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► you if you grab it upside down and you [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► go oh this I don't feel the ridge so I [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► know I'm holding up a so damn well guess [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► what your palm has been all over that [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► touchpad by this point and it has done [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► it certainly has brought up the progress [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► bar who knows what I was it might've [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► done especially if you've gripped it [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► firmly [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► instead of gingerly like the beautiful [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► delicate little insect that it is right [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► you actually grab the remote you [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► probably not only grazed the touchpad [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► but activated the pressure-sensitive [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► button and who knows what you did it's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► the worst yeah I mean I'm not quite as [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► hard on it as you in this regard however [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► the white the white circle the raised [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► white circle on this button does help [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► but the remote is still a terrible [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► remote and I wish they would have done [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► substantially more to actually redesign [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► this thing instead of basically digging [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► in and saying no this is fine here take [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► a stupid white ring like that's [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► basically what this to what this [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► revision says oh and I was frequently [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► faced with the prompt that says hold [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► down the speaker button to speak like [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► very often you know it's like let me [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► just speak this thing that I have to [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► enter here instead of typing because [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► even just typing on your phone gets [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► tedious after a while like I'm not very [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► good with a with the phone sized [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► keyboard or whatever so I'm like okay [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► it's prompting me with the little [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► speaker and says hold down the button [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► and talking to your microphone and that [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► often works if you just say want to say [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► like watch Game of Thrones it will do [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► that like that part of the Apple TV [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► experience is great anytime you don't [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► have to use the remote you're like yes [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► right and so I'm gonna text me or some [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► kind and it's telling me [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► hold down the remote and talk and I [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► would call down the remote and start to [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► talk and as soon as I started talking [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► we'll just go Boop and it would like [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► stop listening to me and then it would [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► say hold down the remote and try to talk [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and I would pull the head remote and [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► started talking to go Boop and stop [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► listening to me like instead wouldn't it [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► wouldn't maybe I'll get like one [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► character out or wouldn't type anything [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► it was just like why why what is [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► happening [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► do you hate me you're a brand new thing [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► out of the box you're presenting me a [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► native text filled with the native you [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► know the little picker with the alphabet [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► and and the three things [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► oh yeah and during the setup experience [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► they had this crazy on-screen prompt [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► they're asking a bunch of questions and [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► a series of like sort of wizard type [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► screens of asking you questions there [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► would be a thing highlighted and below [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► it like the corners of a triangle like [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► were two buttons and your highlight [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► would be on like the top point of the [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► triangle like that button and there [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► would be a button you know sort of [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► Southwest and a button southeast and I [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► couldn't for the life me figure out what [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► direction it wanted me to swipe to get [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► to the south west or south east button [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► because swiping south did nothing right [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► and you're like this why the West to get [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► Southwest and as far as I could tell it [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► was like any direction you swipe to do [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► anything would always bring you to the [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► default button and then if you didn't [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► want the default you could swipe right [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► because the default button was on the [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► Left there was like a good puzzle game [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► of figuring out how I move the selection [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► basically down and to the left it was [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► the worst that did you experience with [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► this when you're setting up marker know [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► my experimental experience was pretty [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► flawless and in fact I was actually also [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► getting a compliment that my my you know [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► keep the home screens in sync thing [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► worked great I mean probably because I [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► use far fewer apps than it sounds like [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► you do and I have far fewer accounts for [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► things that I need to sign in to for me [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► it's basically just like Netflix and HBO [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► now go thing that's it like that's I [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► don't really have anything else on me [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► you did have to resize those but I [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► thought I thought was like a wizard at [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► the beginning that forced you to pick [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► all the things that I was picking it [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► that gave you the triangle buttons where [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► I forget what this the highlight is on [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► but yeah the dragging Southwest I would [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► like to swipe what I was think was [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► Southwest and the selection would just [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► not move it would just not move in so I [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► would do south it wouldn't move I think [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► it wanted you to go like wet dead West [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► to select an item on screen southwest [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► infuriating I should have taken pictures [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► of the screen no I do not have those [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► issues but I mean a lot of this UI it [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► has been [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► like three-quarters baked for two years [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► now and doesn't seem to be getting put [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► back in the oven so wouldn't surprise me [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► anyway that's it I've got my 4k apple TV [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► I rotated all the apples feasts and not [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► have one free one like my Apple TV 3 is [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► now like that yep [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► the travel TV oh and I usually use this [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► is a TiVo complete I usually use the I [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► have an old TiVo remote that I use with [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► an old Apple TV and I trained it on the [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► TV that rotated up to the bedroom but [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► the problem is the new stupid bent TiVo [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► that I have up there like they're their [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► top of the line box essentially as far [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► as I can tell there is no way to get it [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► to not receive signals from my TiVo [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► remote I even have the technicals before [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► uh steeper once used to have a 1/2 [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► swatch on them you can switch to the one [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► side of the two sides you could have to [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► TiVo hooked up to your TV you have one [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► remote set to one or more remote side to [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► two so they would interfere with each [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► other which was a great idea the TV was [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► really smart but the new TiVo's no [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► matter what I set any of their remotes [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► to this bent TiVo sees Bay's the [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► commands of any team over remote so you [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► can't use the TiVo remote with the Apple [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► TV but you can but you will realize that [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► you are blindly going through menus [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► accidentally who knows possibly you know [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► deleting stuff or recording things you [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► don't want because every time you press [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► a button the TiVo registers the command [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► in addition to the Apple TV so that's [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► kind of crappy so I we have to use the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► the crappy Apple TV remote upstairs now [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► I'm sorry Jon I know it's hard for you I [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► think you can turn off the IR on the [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► thing and they just make it do blue blue [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► the only but that you can't do the [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► volume control because the volume [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► controls IR it's a it's a complicated [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► situation I also have a piece of tin [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► foil covering the other TiVo that's up [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► there I have to TiVo it simple works [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► great though by the way it's like it how [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► do i how do i where is the IR sensor how [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► do I stop the r guess what can fall over [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► the whole front of it oh my god solves [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► that problem [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that's incredible and when you don't [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► need it to block your TiVo you can wear [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► it as a hat [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► ya know I mean I wanted to just get rid [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► of it but we have tons of pre-recorded [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► stuff on there so we're slowly and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► painfully transferring it from the old [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► TiVo to the new TiVo which takes forever [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► for a variety of dumb reasons most of [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► which have to do with the weak Wi-Fi [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► signal that I have like in that corner [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► of the house for the TV is but and the [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► fact that I think it's like 802 11 B or [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► something like it doesn't even have [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► Wi-Fi built in the old one so it's like [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► a little adapter than hanging out the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► end so the Wi-Fi speeds are super slow [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► anyway eventually it will get rid of [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► that box and then yeah and someone the [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► cherubs asking me ever heard of Euro we [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► do have Euro we have five bars five you [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► know full signal strength in there but [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► like the the Wi-Fi adapter dongle thing [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► is bad and in general t-bo's got really [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► bad transfer speeds not even limited by [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► that network so who knows what its [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► problem is but it takes a long time oh I [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► forgot about the fan yeah alright so I [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► actually forgot I did forget what I [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► hoped it up I'm doing CV setup and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► everything like oh I forgot I should do [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► go look at the fan so by this point it's [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► connected to my television and I've been [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► using it to like set up all the [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► applications and do all the setup stuff [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and I actually you know played a few [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► games with it and to see if the [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► performance was better and stuff like [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that then I had to go over the TV [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► grab the little thing and of course I [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► can't pull it away from the [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► entertainment centre very far because [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► it's got an HDMI cable in the back and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► the power cord and stuff like that and [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► if I unplug the power cord obviously the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► fan will be off and on my television I [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► have at the very least a TiVo with the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► fans are on my television itself has [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► fans in it so this is a pretty noisy [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► environment nevertheless held that thing [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► up to my ear I can hear the fan and I'm [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► like oh that's not fair I did a lot of [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► setup I was playing games I just let it [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► sit so the next morning after the tea [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► the Apple TV been sleeping all night [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► long [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► I came activated the Apple TV so the [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► little light turns on throw it up to my [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► ear I can still hear it so you can hear [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► it if you shove it up to your ear but I [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► guarantee you get four inches away and [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► you cannot hear it even if it was in a [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► dead sound room and it's not it is in my [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► entertainment center with my TiVo fan [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► and my television fans so noise is [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► absolutely not a concern with this I [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► think the fan is always spinning you can [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► hear it if you put it up to your ear and [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► if you have better hearing then [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► apparently Jason Snell and Margo I don't [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► understand how you couldn't hear it it [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► wasn't even close like you can hear it [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► wait I didn't put my ear right against [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► the case I just moved my ear close to it [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► no you have to pick it up and hold it to [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► your ear like your like your you know [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► what do you call like it when you ever [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► see in the movies where some some record [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► producer is trying to listen to some [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► music and get into the groove and takes [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► a pair of headphones [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► but he only holds one year of the [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► headphones against his ear oh yeah yep [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► do that no anyway if you have any [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► concerns about this fan it gets the John [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► Serkis a seal of approval it is [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► inaudible to humans you're fine [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► Wow can we get like an actual seal made [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► to that effect [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► I don't put stickers on things also did [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► you just imply that you're not human [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► did we just get confirmation that you [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► are a robot it's inaudible to humans [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► unless you're holding it to your ear [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► you're not supposed to use the house of [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► you whole literally holding it to your [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► ear like a like a seashell you know you [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► can hear the ocean in shell Marco has [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► anyone taught you this now the yer beach [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► bum yes alright good anyway that's there [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► you go do that maybe he's a super here [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► wouldn't surprise me maybe I just don't [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► last time I just had my yearly physical [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► and the last time I had my yearly [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► physical oh my god are we really going [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► they did they did the hearing test you [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► know where they did the different tones [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► in your ears and last year I failed a [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► bunch of the tones in my right ear and [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► she's like oh it's probably just because [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► you have a cold like oh my god I'm going [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► deaf I'm old but turns out just without [TS]

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00:36:01 ◼   ► looks like this was spelled correctly [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► with two zeros so I applaud you now [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► anyway noob iOS dev since I'm talking I [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► will go ahead and start the company I [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► work for uses fabric which was well I [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► don't even know the relationship with [TS]

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00:36:17 ◼   ► product with the paralytics was acquired [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► by Twitter Twitter rolled it into a [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► larger thing called fabric that Google [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► bought fabric from Twitter right ok [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► there you go so that is what we are [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► currently using it is sufficient I don't [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► forgive any errors logging is this I [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► don't include is this just crash [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► reporting I I took this to mean like NS [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► log kind of error logging oh oh that is [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► not how I took this I took this to mean [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► crash reporting which is exactly what [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► you expected and for that we use fabric [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► for like in a slog sort of thing we [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► don't we don't do anything using this [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► log yeah well I mean we don't have any [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► mechanism by which that's reported [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► anywhere is what I mean like we we use [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► well really we use print because we're [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► not stuck in 1987 on objective-c but [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► anyway we we just used the effectively [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► NS log for you know local debugging and [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► development and stuff like that but we [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► don't we'd never gets reported to a [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► server anywhere or not knowingly anyway [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► I'm sure somebody's gonna write in and [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► tell me no you idiot crashlytics getting [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► all that too and that very well may be [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► the case but I've never seen it probably [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► yeah I use NS log in development in [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► production I don't think my app logs [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► much of anything I usually remove them [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► or I use like you know macros to have [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► like a debug log that calls a nice log [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► in development but not in production [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► stuff like that so and then I don't have [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► any mechanism for the instances of the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► app out in the field to be reporting [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► back to me what they have logged [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► I don't have that right same here [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► haven't had the need for it ever that's [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► he [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► like a lot of data to deal with I also I [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► know that that last year they introduced [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► this whole like unified logging [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► framework thing about all the systems [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► and I honestly had I don't know anything [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► about it I never saw the session I [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► haven't looked at it at all and all the [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► only thing I see from that is that ever [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► since they introduced that new logging [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► system console app is completely useless [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► the phone console is covered in garbage [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► can I look in Xcode and that when I even [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► when I do a build and run in Xcode all [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► the system crap still logs to that [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► console what makes it very hard for me [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► to use and us talking for anything else [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► so I think the new system has not made a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► good impression on me having not used it [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► because now it just seems like [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► everything in the OSS is constantly [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► spewing crap into the logs and that [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► can't be good no matter how lightweight [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► they've made it yeah yeah Alex writes in [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► is there any meaningful difference [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► between the $50.00 qi is that right so [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► he pronounced this yes [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► Thank You Chi Chargers apples promoting [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► and the $15 no name ones on Amazon [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► pronounce 10 I don't have the faintest [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► idea what the answer this question is I [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► understand the question but I I don't [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► know I don't have any she capable [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► devices in my house right now so the [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► reason I put this in here is because a [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► bunch of people have been using their [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► iPhone eights with the non apple Chi [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► chargers and having varying experiences [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► with like exactly how carefully you have [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► to position the phone on the mat both [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► orient and position it and you know the [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► basics tale of woe is I woke up and my [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► phone was 10% charge because I didn't [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► put it on the mat quite the right way [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► and a lot of people are saying that this [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► is the reason why this is the space for [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► Apple to innovate they already said that [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► they have some things that you can do [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► with the air power mat that you can't do [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► with a regular charger like charge [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► multiple devices at once and have them [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► you know do all the things they showed [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► in the keynote right that's what air [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► power will do but another possible thing [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► that the air power mat might do is you [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► know be better about positioning now I [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► think this question is about what about [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► the ones the you know from Belkin or [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► whoever that apples from earning fifty [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► bucks versus the fifteen dollar ones [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► I would imagine that one possible [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► difference is exactly how picky they are [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► about how you place your thing on it [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► right it's probably very easy to make a [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► technically Qi compatible charger that [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► is super finicky about where you put [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► your phone and maybe the more expensive [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► ones have you there larger areas where [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you can put them or have multiple [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► orientation things or something like [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► that that would be my guess having not [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► used any of these things and not torn [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► any of them apart but it's a very least [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► I wanted to bring this up because I hope [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► that that's exactly what Apple does they [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► regardless of the possible difference [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► between 50 and $15 it could just be ones [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► Belkin branded and you pay you know [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► extra $35 for that or whatever but Apple [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► we already know that they're doing multi [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► device one of the things that they one [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► of the attributes of their fancy air [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► power mat which I'm sure won't cost $50 [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► is that it should be able to charge in [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► lots of different positions and with [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► them showing multiple phones and a watch [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► all in the same pad surely that means [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► that you can put them more or less [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► anywhere on the pad and they'll be fine [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► because it's not as there's three preset [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► division positions you have to put them [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► exactly on that especially since as far [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► as I can tell the surface of the air [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► power is completely featureless like [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► there's no red X that says put your [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► phone here and put your watch here and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► put your whatever here so that is my [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► hope and that is a possible reason to [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► maybe wait for the air power thing to [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► come out before you take a dive into the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► wireless charging world finally Mike [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► Bolton is that your name it's too bad [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that no-talent ass clown ruined it for [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► everyone [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► Mike Bolton writes in who's the fastest [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► typist if you guys play for the best two [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► out of three on typeracer or a similar [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► head-to-head typing thingy I'll donate a [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► hundred dollars to the charity of your [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► choosing we didn't get do an actual like [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► simultaneous head-to-head thing which I [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► am willing to do right now if Marco is [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► willing to edit it all out but we each [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► well two-thirds of us those of us who [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► believe in homework did the homework and [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► filled out the appropriate entry in the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► show notes indicating what our scores [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► were Marco have you done this I have I [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► just didn't put my entry in the show [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► notes because of course when you asked [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► me for a [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► list with a certain number of items in [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► it in this case one I can't give my top [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► one list it has more than one entry oh [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► my god [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► he's trying to build it's trying to [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► build suspense and by the way going into [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► this I assume that I would have the [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► slowest timing speed and even though [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► marco has an answer this time I'm going [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► to say that I will have the slowest I [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► mostly do I don't type I don't type [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► correctly like the correct way with the [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► fingers on the home keys I took typing [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► courses on on IBM Selectric typewriters [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► in my youth I took many years of typing [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► courses and I apparently successfully [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► resisted everything they had to teach me [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► and I type totally the wrong way and so [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► I'm slow I used to hunt and peck for the [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► longest time and when I was still pretty [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► young I think before I started taking [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► like keyboarding class in school I [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► decided one day I was going to force [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► myself to learn to touch type and I [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► basically forced myself to use the home [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► row and after given how much I spent how [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► much time I spent on a computer even my [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► youth it took me all of a couple of [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► weeks to get okay and now I well for a [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► long time now I've been in the just [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► truly tremendous position where I don't [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► have to think about where to put my [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► fingers words just magically appear on [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the screen and I know I'm not unique in [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► that way it's just getting to that point [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► is amazing so anyway so what I did was I [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► took the test all right I did the little [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► typing thing once and then they asked [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► you to like verify that you're a human [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► by taking another little test and the [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► second test that I took so the [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► verification test indicated that Ike [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► type at 125 words per minute if I had [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► seen Marcos score which I'm assuming is [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► higher than 125 words per minute I [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► assure you I would have spent hours [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► getting to the point that I beat it but [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► based on one time in one time I guess [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► really two times I 100 25 words per [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► minute and that was without any sort of [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► warm-up I think it was early in the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► morning I would blame it on coffee but [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► coffee is evil and so I don't drink [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► coffee but that was my score John what [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► was your score so I did a couple of runs [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► to get warmed up and I put 79 down even [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► though that wasn't my very best run [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► because I did a little bit [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► - that night you can especially once you [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► learn the passages that they're having [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► your type I have my problem typing these [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► things is like I wouldn't put a comma [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► there I wouldn't word it that way right [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► but once you've done that sometimes they [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► repeat or whatever so 79 is what I'm [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► entering here I think that is [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► representative of my type you see I can [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► go faster by like hammering away at that [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► and get into the 80s or 90s but [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► realistically speaking I'm not typing [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► that fast I only kind of wish they asked [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► this - right now this is cheating but if [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► they asked us to write Perl code I think [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► I would do a pretty good despite the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► fact that that I my hands are not in the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► right place I'm really good at dollar [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► signs at signs curly braces in square [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► brackets fastest dollar sign in the east [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► you guys because I typed them so much I [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► spent 20 years typing tremendous amount [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► of dollar signs and parentheses and that [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► signs in curly braces and despite the [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► fact that I'm only in 79 anymore but [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► it's not fast in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► things I can also type without looking [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► at the keyboard and words just coming up [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► in code just comes out very often that [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► will just mean you're staring at the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► screen and code is just coming out and [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► not just that I'm going to the air [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► because I type incorrectly I'm going to [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► the arrow keys home and my hands are all [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► over that keyboard and I'm just looking [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► at the screen I'm selecting you know [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► command option shift up/down arrow [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► selecting text cut pasting you know like [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► get in the zone I'm not fast when I'm [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► doing it but it's not as if I'm staring [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the keyboard you know hunting and [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► pecking yeah [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► all right Marco tell me how much faster [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► you were than the two of us [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► so my first test just cold was 91 words [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► for a minute it was not that accurate [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► like basically I got slowed down a lot [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► if I ever made any mistakes because like [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► John like if a passage was written in a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► way that I wouldn't write it it would [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► kind of trip me up a little bit I'd like [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► go back like wait a minute like that [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► didn't make sense we're like if it was [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► something that flowed the way I would [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► write something I was way faster so I [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► took a second test a few minutes later [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► at 1:25 then I got prompted for that [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► human qualifier thing that that one was [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► then it took two more I got 116 and 122 [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► so it's kind of all over the place but I [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► was the draw yeah it seems like me and [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► you were in the same range yeah [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► you guys are even you had that you had [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► the correct mistakes right I've never [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► never quite clear on that you weren't [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► allowed to just blindly continue on [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► right because I've lost a lot of time [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► realizing that I had missed a comma or [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► something like that and then having to [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► like backspace and make sure I'm getting [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► the right thing that I really ate up my [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► time the other thing is like typing [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► typing speed tests are fun little thing [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► like this but I don't really I don't get [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► a lot of value out of this because like [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► there's very little time that I'm at my [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► computer that I am typing at full blast [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► for more than a few seconds because like [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► I'm not like transcribing things or or [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► like spewing out tons of paragraphs that [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► that's the thing about these tasks [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► they're asking you to transcribe which [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► is something I never do on a computer [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► and find incredibly tedious I'm always [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► either writing words from my brain or [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► writing code from my brain I'm never [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► transcribing like so it is actually a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► very foreign skill for me for me to be [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► typing something some words but that I'm [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► reading off the screen like that's what [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► copy and paste or for I'm a strong [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► strong proponent of copy and paste that [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► may give my few nuggets of copy and [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► paste advice for the people as they [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► already gave Rowling some these never [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► type the process ID because you're just [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► asking to kill the Royal if you like [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► route on a system and you want to kill a [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► process ID never type it no I just ran [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► PS let me just transcribe that process [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► ID you know you only have to like he'll [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► kill the process ID belonging to some [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► kernel thing to like halt your entire [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► machine like you'll have to do that once [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► you just just always copy and paste it [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► always copy and paste any any piece of [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► information you're you're entering like [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► email addresses or the type of thing [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► that's authentication information copy [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► and paste it's obviously not passwords [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► because you shouldn't be copying and [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► pasting those but everything else copy [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► and pasting code variable names copy and [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► paste it the way you can tell if you [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► correctly using copying places if you [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► initially misspelled the variable it [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► should be misspelled consistently [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► through your entire file because you [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► never typed it again through the [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► auto-completed or copy and pasted it [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► from elsewhere so copying base is your [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► friend and I feel that people who are [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► really fast type that's resist that was [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► like I can retype it faster than I can [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► copy and paste it you probably can you [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► can also accidentally type it the wrong [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► way because there's nothing's gonna [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► highlight read for you like it doesn't [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► lose typing des so [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► what we've learned today is if you want [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► us to do something stupid just swear [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► that you'll donate a hundred dollars to [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► charity and we never defined which [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► charity somebody put the shownotes [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► st. Jude I am totally fine with that I [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► would also like to pitch as an option [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► which seems to be a pretty pertinent [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► thing to donate a little money to these [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► days or maybe by Yuriko relief efforts [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► or Puerto Rico relief efforts so [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► actually so yeah how about we'll go with [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► those three Mike Bolton take your pick [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► amongst whatever one of those three you [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► would like to donate to and I will put [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► at least me on the spot and say send me [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► a receipt and I'll match it me to no [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► pressure Johnny anyway I'll move on so [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► you don't have to answer our charity [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► stuff towards the end of the year but no [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► problem we are sponsored this week by [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► hollow pillow at hollow pillow comm [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► slash a teepee hello makes these pretty [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► cool buckwheat hull pillows so this is [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► totally different from regular pillows [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► that are filled with some kind of like [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► soft springy material it's almost like a [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► giant bean bag full of buckwheat hulls [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► so it supports your head and neck [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► however you set it up and it kind of [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► just stays there it doesn't like slowly [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► collapse over the course of the night or [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► squish around it just stays where you [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► put it it's also really cool like it [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► helps you keep cool at night it doesn't [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► get hot the way most pillow Phil does [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► and so it is by far in my opinion they [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► sent me a couple and it is by far the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► coolest feeling pillow I have ever used [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► I loved that part of it it's really nice [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► you can also add and remove buckwheat [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► holes as you see fit so like if you if [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► it's a little bit too big for you you [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► want like a smaller or kind of looser [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► filled pillow you can just unzip the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► side and pour some out or if you want [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► more or if you want to kind of [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► rejuvenate an old hollow pillow over [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► time you can go to the website and just [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► order more fill and just dump it in it's [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► kind of amazing people have been [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► sleeping on buckwheat pillows for [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► centuries they've been used extensively [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► in Japan and they remain relatively [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► popular to this day and its really a [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► more natural way to sleep because what [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► are you laying your head on every night [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► perhaps it's you know a bag of bird [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► feathers so [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► or sometimes they're petroleum-based [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► foams that's no good hello is made in [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► the USA with quality construction and [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► quality buckwheat hulls and materials [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► they have certified organic cotton cases [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► that's cut and sewn for durability and [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► the buckwheat is grown and milled in the [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► United States so here's the deal you can [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► sleep on a hollow pillow for 60 nights [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► if it isn't for you just send it back [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► and it'll give you a refund go to hollow [TS]

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00:51:20 ◼   ► more than one you can get a discount of [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► up to 20 dollars per pillow depending on [TS]

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00:51:30 ◼   ► Conservancy [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► so check out hollow today at hollow [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► pillow comm / ATP thank you so much to [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► hollow it for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► alright so this is the portion of the [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► show where in I take a little power [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► snooze tell me about the new Amazon echo [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► stuff and I say I'm gonna take a power [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► sneeze because I bet you if I had an [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► echo I would really like it but because [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► I've never experienced it I don't really [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► care but there's new echo news and [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► there's new Sonos news as well so one of [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► you take it away tell me what's going on [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► alright so basically Amazon held like [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► the secret event really at the event the [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► existence of the event itself was [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► embargoed which is hilarious the other [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► day and they they announced a whole new [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► line of echo products which is pretty [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► cool you know I mean I've been a big fan [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► of the echo not since it came out but [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► since our friends got one and I saw it [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and used it myself at their house which [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► is a big important distinction here for [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► any kind of echo announcement when the [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► echo first came out it came kind of out [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► of nowhere and it had this really weird [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► creepy promo video on Amazon site and we [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► all the entire tech world relentlessly [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► made fun of them for it and because it [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► was it really did seem like the [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► creepiest thing advertised and promoted [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► in the creepiest way and it seemed like [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► you know oh another crazy thing from the [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► company that brought you the fire phone [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► it turned out that the that it was [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► actually really awesome and and that [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► that the echo ends up being surprisingly [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► useful and [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► and just fun and very satisfying to have [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► in our houses and as a result over the [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► last couple years since I think came out [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► two years ago maybe even three but as a [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► result in the last couple years many [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► people around these parts have gotten [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► them and and they're quite fun last [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► Christmas I know many of us gave them as [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► gifts to family and stuff and only great [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► things have you know reviews from family [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► and everything about the echoes so very [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► good product line however Amazon also [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► releases a whole bunch of garbage like [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► that they release a whole bunch of weird [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► products they are kind of taking the [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► like you know spaghetti against the wall [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► approach to new echo hardware so they [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► have all sorts of crazy things they [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► launched the echo show which is the [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► weird ugly thing with the screen they [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► launched the echo look the weird bedroom [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► camera we're supposed to take pictures [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► of yourself getting dressed every day [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► and those kind of fell on their face I [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► don't know a lot of people who really [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► enjoy those so you kind of don't know [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► when Amazon announces something new in [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► the echo world the initial reaction to [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► things has very little bearing and the [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► initial appearance of things really has [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► very little bearing on how good they'll [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► end up being and how much fun of liking [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► them or how you know how well they will [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► sell so Amazon announced a whole bunch [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► of new echo stuff the other day and so [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► now there is they kind of they finally [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► revised the core product line there is [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► finally a second generation of the the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► tall cylinder version of the echo that [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► used to be the only version of the echo [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► there is now a kind of shorter stubbier [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► optionally cloth-covered cylinder and it [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► looks almost like a tiny home pod and [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► now there's also this little alarm clock [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► thing with a circular screen that [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► considering your nightstand but also has [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► a camera so it's kind of like a mini [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► echo show that can also be an alarm [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► clock which is kind of interesting and [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► well there's a whole bunch right phone [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► calls it's like a it's like a bridge to [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► your landlines that you can make calls [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► using your echo that are routed over [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► your hard wired LAN [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► if you have them if you actually have a [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► landline that's I think that's gonna go [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► down into the weird category they were [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► probably never gonna hear about again [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► but I'm sure somebody will use it got [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► the fire TV 4k right yeah and the new [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► stick that hangs diagonally off your TV [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► so so this is these are very different [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► things I mean so the the fire TVs I [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► don't know much about the fire TV world [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► I bought a fire TV box like two years [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► ago didn't really care for its UI at all [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► so I ended up just selling it do you [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► know do you use them in all John I [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► forget no I've seen it my friend who has [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► them and I looked at them they're not [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► bad like you know the UI is very Amazon [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► II but the performance is OK the remote [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► is better than apples like it is it well [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► that's right it is very similar to the [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► old one and it's got like a ring on it [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► but at least my recollection of the old [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► fire TV thing it's not flat on the [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► bottom it's more like shaped like a [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► triangle so it actually sits in your [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► hand a little bit like an actual remote [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► right and it doesn't have a touchpad on [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► the whole top of the thing anyway it's [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► fine it has always been cheaper than the [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► Apple TV and I would say like almost as [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► good but of course you can't watch [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► iTunes content on it so it was never [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► anything that I was gonna get even maybe [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► if you did 24 Hertz output I would have [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► considered it to run like Plex on it or [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► whatever but it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► never seemed like a speed demon [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► certainly the Apple TV 4k feels faster [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► the new one doesn't support Dolby vision [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► which is kind of a shame but maybe [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► they'll add that after the fact it does [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► support Dolby Atmos which Apple TV 4k [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► doesn't but I feel but I believe 4k is [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► supposed to get that support but [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► remember this is $100 cheaper than the [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► Apple TV 4k it's not just like $15 [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► cheaper it's significantly cheaper the [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► form factor of what Mark was alluding to [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► before that it dangles off your TV it is [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► like an HDMI connector a ribbon cable [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► and then a box hanging from its corner [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► off of the ribbon cable on the ribbon [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► cable is like three inches long so this [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► is not a box you put in your [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► entertainment center it is a thing that [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► you hang off the back of your TV which [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► is kind of interesting I have actually [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► have a Google what is it called the [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► Google thing that hangs off the back [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► yard [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► the chromecast right the hang off your [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► back of the back of your TV you think [TS]