The Accidental Tech Podcast

241: Jazzercise Boot Camp


00:00:00   my favorite has to be Jazzercise boot [TS]

00:00:01   camp boot camp but like I'm like no let [TS]

00:00:06   me try something more relevant and [TS]

00:00:07   Jazzercise came out which is not it's [TS]

00:00:09   the same that's more relevant you know [TS]

00:00:11   like in the moment I'm like come up with [TS]

00:00:13   something better than aerobics aerobics [TS]

00:00:15   is so 80s and Jazzercise like nope [TS]

00:00:17   didn't do it is Jazzercise like a real [TS]

00:00:20   thing that people do or have done Oh [TS]

00:00:22   Jazzercise was real as a heart attack [TS]

00:00:24   yes is it still like yes what though [TS]

00:00:28   what is it is just exercising to jazz [TS]

00:00:30   music what actually is it I have no idea [TS]

00:00:32   I didn't know it was still going on I [TS]

00:00:34   remember it in the 80s I haven't seen it [TS]

00:00:36   in years [TS]

00:00:36   I am almost sure there's a Jazzercise [TS]

00:00:39   clinic or whatever you would call it [TS]

00:00:41   near us it's still real in the south [TS]

00:00:44   obviously where where they live decades [TS]

00:00:45   behind us culturally and intellectually [TS]

00:00:48   John why do you have to be original [TS]

00:00:50   workout 80s video oh my god [TS]

00:00:54   yeah oh wow Jazzercise comm is still a [TS]

00:00:57   thing and I will add that there is a [TS]

00:01:00   Jazzercise clinic whatever you call it [TS]

00:01:02   in Richmond is this like what Richard [TS]

00:01:04   Simmons did basically no specific thing [TS]

00:01:08   it's got it involves jazz Versailles we [TS]

00:01:13   have a st. Jude fundraiser update at the [TS]

00:01:16   time in which we record it if memory [TS]

00:01:17   serves we were challenging everyone to [TS]

00:01:19   see if we could get to 20,000 dollars I [TS]

00:01:22   believe what's the total we wanted what [TS]

00:01:24   was it currently at when we said that it [TS]

00:01:25   was like it's like 16 or 17 something [TS]

00:01:27   better right yeah it was like between 17 [TS]

00:01:29   and 19 I think so 20 was I think close [TS]

00:01:31   to 17 Tony was certainly attainable but [TS]

00:01:33   I mean $3,000 was a pretty fair bit of [TS]

00:01:35   money [TS]

00:01:36   so we had challenged everyone hey can we [TS]

00:01:38   get to 20 and within I think 24 hours [TS]

00:01:41   probably 12 hours of you releasing the [TS]

00:01:43   final version of the show we blew past [TS]

00:01:45   20 which is an excellent problem to have [TS]

00:01:47   so then I got on Twitter and I believe [TS]

00:01:50   one or both of you had had chimed in on [TS]

00:01:52   this and I just said okay let's see if [TS]

00:01:54   we can do 25 and I felt like 25 is a [TS]

00:01:56   pretty good reach goal when you're just [TS]

00:01:58   now hitting 20 and we blew past 25 at [TS]

00:02:02   this point I feel I felt like I didn't [TS]

00:02:03   want to be like I didn't want to be [TS]

00:02:05   obnoxious about it so I kind of cooled [TS]

00:02:06   off on my solicitations and it might [TS]

00:02:09   have been for the best because without [TS]

00:02:11   any solicitations on my part as [TS]

00:02:13   we record thirty three thousand two [TS]

00:02:16   hundred and fifty eight dollars holy [TS]

00:02:18   monkey that's amazing pretty great I am [TS]

00:02:21   so I'm genuinely so proud and excited [TS]

00:02:24   obviously this is not strictly a TP [TS]

00:02:26   listeners not not by a long shot but if [TS]

00:02:28   there certainly seemed to be a pretty [TS]

00:02:30   heavy upswing in activity after the [TS]

00:02:34   episode released and that makes that [TS]

00:02:35   genuinely makes me extremely happy [TS]

00:02:37   the Hackett family is is you know very [TS]

00:02:39   dear friends of ours and more [TS]

00:02:41   importantly this is going to help all [TS]

00:02:42   kinds of kids with cancer and you don't [TS]

00:02:45   have to stop the donations at the end of [TS]

00:02:48   the month this episode should be [TS]

00:02:50   released right at the end of the month [TS]

00:02:52   and that's when Steven concentrates on [TS]

00:02:54   it but there is no reason you can't [TS]

00:02:55   donate again or more or if you haven't [TS]

00:02:58   donated yet do a little now so I would [TS]

00:03:01   love to see this you know get even [TS]

00:03:02   higher but thirty three thousand 2058 [TS]

00:03:04   dollars that is not all ATP but it is at [TS]

00:03:06   least in part ATP so thank you everyone [TS]

00:03:08   who through a little bit of your money [TS]

00:03:10   toward trying to get rid of childhood [TS]

00:03:12   cancer that's that's super awesome we're [TS]

00:03:14   not I know we're not reminding people [TS]

00:03:16   that if we said if they passed 20k we [TS]

00:03:18   would try to come up with a word to [TS]

00:03:19   describe ATP vans the best answer we got [TS]

00:03:22   there was tabs because there are [TS]

00:03:25   thousands of them definitely not I'm not [TS]

00:03:30   saying we should use it but it was [TS]

00:03:31   definitely the funniest answer better [TS]

00:03:33   than eighty peons and eighty peeps both [TS]

00:03:35   of which are worse than tabs but tabs is [TS]

00:03:37   also pretty bad I'm still thinking about [TS]

00:03:40   it I feel like we should fulfill this [TS]

00:03:42   promise but I'm not gonna settle I'm not [TS]

00:03:43   gonna be like well it's the best we can [TS]

00:03:44   come up with nope not gonna settle Marco [TS]

00:03:47   and I are already prepared to settle I [TS]

00:03:49   don't like tabs at all but I could [TS]

00:03:51   settle on eighty peons and eighty or [TS]

00:03:52   eighty peeps [TS]

00:03:53   no no eighty peons is insulting and deep [TS]

00:03:56   peep says as eighty peep says too many [TS]

00:03:58   gross things the only one I've come for [TS]

00:04:00   so far [TS]

00:04:00   oh yeah that's like force touch yeah so [TS]

00:04:03   here's what I've come up with so far and [TS]

00:04:05   I'm not saying this is good but this is [TS]

00:04:07   the best I've got so far in my in my [TS]

00:04:08   processing she was why what is this a [TS]

00:04:13   reference I'm missing she so Sheila's is [TS]

00:04:16   the generic word I believe some [TS]

00:04:18   Australian can tell me for for women [TS]

00:04:20   in Australia for a woman in Australia [TS]

00:04:22   Celia Celia a woman or a girl right and [TS]

00:04:26   Sheila's but you just out but it doesn't [TS]

00:04:28   mean that your female listeners this is [TS]

00:04:31   a generic term it's gender-neutral also [TS]

00:04:34   the tank in red versus blue is a long [TS]

00:04:40   time ago anyway but that's not a great [TS]

00:04:42   one but it's the best I've come up with [TS]

00:04:43   so far and it's mostly just it's it's [TS]

00:04:45   mostly just me me being angry about [TS]

00:04:47   Tim's on hello it's 100% what it is but [TS]

00:04:50   I also think it's fun exercise to allow [TS]

00:04:53   a group of what we consider to be almost [TS]

00:04:55   entirely men who listen to the show just [TS]

00:04:57   doing the idea of being referred to by a [TS]

00:05:00   in a word that implies a gender that [TS]

00:05:03   doesn't match yours and that you're just [TS]

00:05:05   supposed to eat it and say well it's a [TS]

00:05:06   gender-neutral term it's fine I respect [TS]

00:05:09   the effort yeah same here and I agree [TS]

00:05:11   with you on the on principle however [TS]

00:05:12   it's also terrible agree it's not a good [TS]

00:05:15   name for listeners unfortunately so far [TS]

00:05:17   all of the options that we have seen so [TS]

00:05:18   far are terrible so I think it's [TS]

00:05:20   probably safe to say we probably just [TS]

00:05:22   won't be named in our listeners [TS]

00:05:23   engineering like it's because every [TS]

00:05:25   option people suggest it was awful I [TS]

00:05:27   know anyway we wanted a name that really [TS]

00:05:31   is gender agnostic we could call all the [TS]

00:05:34   listeners Kasey's that's true [TS]

00:05:36   I know cases of both genders mmm no [TS]

00:05:38   because I think Casey has a connotation [TS]

00:05:40   and B says they're not all cases they [TS]

00:05:42   don't what if they identify as a Marco [TS]

00:05:43   there what if they're not I Miranda what [TS]

00:05:45   if they're a Samantha I understood that [TS]

00:05:48   represents everybody [TS]

00:05:49   Casey is we've been told on a number of [TS]

00:05:52   occasions that Casey represents well [TS]

00:05:55   they use a gender term but usually for [TS]

00:05:57   this but they say Casey represents the [TS]

00:05:58   every man every woman don't think [TS]

00:06:01   there's woman every woman is a [TS]

00:06:03   gender-neutral term who knows but I [TS]

00:06:05   understand the point you're driving at [TS]

00:06:06   Marco which is that most people will say [TS]

00:06:08   I wish I was Marco or I wish I was John [TS]

00:06:12   but in actuality I'm Casey which is both [TS]

00:06:14   flattering and kind of depressing Holly [TS]

00:06:15   what people wish they were Casey now - [TS]

00:06:17   because he's got a fancy SUV and a BMW [TS]

00:06:20   the work sometimes doesn't currently [TS]

00:06:26   work with the current state I have [TS]

00:06:28   driven it only once in the last week and [TS]

00:06:30   that is going to be [TS]

00:06:32   we have we have after-show stuff to [TS]

00:06:34   discuss about that yeah okay we yes if [TS]

00:06:37   you looked at the show notes Marco there [TS]

00:06:39   is some after there's some after show [TS]

00:06:40   things to discuss [TS]

00:06:42   anyway so we should continue with her [TS]

00:06:44   follow-up I I am it's funny that this [TS]

00:06:48   show this episode of the show is really [TS]

00:06:49   a roller coaster kids because I was on [TS]

00:06:51   the highest of highs with regard to the [TS]

00:06:54   st. Jude donations however now I'm at [TS]

00:06:56   the lowest of lows because I was hoping [TS]

00:06:59   that nobody would discover which I [TS]

00:07:01   understand I just hold on this I was [TS]

00:07:05   hoping no one would discover that the [TS]

00:07:07   Apple TV 4k does indeed have a fan and [TS]

00:07:10   of course it was going to be discovered [TS]

00:07:11   I understand that but like in my fantasy [TS]

00:07:13   world I was hoping that nobody would [TS]

00:07:16   know or that John would never find out [TS]

00:07:18   he would go on the Todd Vaziri full [TS]

00:07:19   media blackout with regard to the Apple [TS]

00:07:21   TV fan because I bet you it is so damn [TS]

00:07:26   quiet that you'll never hear it but now [TS]

00:07:28   that you know it's there [TS]

00:07:30   oh you're gonna hear it because you know [TS]

00:07:35   last week last week where I said they'd [TS]

00:07:37   be 4k has no fan why did I say that [TS]

00:07:39   because I asked on the show before that [TS]

00:07:41   I asked hey is anybody can anybody [TS]

00:07:43   answer these questions for him because I [TS]

00:07:44   had asked around and no one had been [TS]

00:07:45   able to answer me and the person who [TS]

00:07:47   sent me this answer claimed to work at [TS]

00:07:49   Apple and I believe this person cuz we [TS]

00:07:51   get a lot of email people who work at [TS]

00:07:52   that ball and they said that was it [TS]

00:07:54   before kay has no fan [TS]

00:07:55   they also said this stuff about 24 [TS]

00:07:57   frames per second it happened to be [TS]

00:07:58   correct and so I wrote the person back [TS]

00:08:01   I'm like well oops yes looks like you're [TS]

00:08:03   wrong on that one and this person didn't [TS]

00:08:06   say hi just kidding I don't really work [TS]

00:08:08   at Apple I was just pulling your leg [TS]

00:08:09   but they said and said was the same [TS]

00:08:12   thing that Marco and Jason Snell said [TS]

00:08:15   when I asked them about is they both had [TS]

00:08:17   Apple TV for Kay's in their possession [TS]

00:08:19   and asked them hey guys does it have a [TS]

00:08:21   fan and this was also this was before I [TS]

00:08:23   fix it to the teardown [TS]

00:08:24   so yes hi sir I searched online beat to [TS]

00:08:27   try to answer your question just to make [TS]

00:08:28   sure Li because anyone's hair down to [TS]

00:08:29   just verify this and there hadn't been [TS]

00:08:31   one yet so the best they could do is [TS]

00:08:33   like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna open [TS]

00:08:34   mine up so my car let me let me just [TS]

00:08:35   guess let me look at it [TS]

00:08:37   or listen to it anyway I was Casey to [TS]

00:08:40   your point I've been checking the iFixit [TS]

00:08:41   site since like oh I know you know after [TS]

00:08:44   right after it right after the keynote [TS]

00:08:45   because I'm like [TS]

00:08:46   maybe someone got a review units maybe I [TS]

00:08:47   fix this tearing apart you know because [TS]

00:08:48   I was actually actively looking at I fix [TS]

00:08:51   it like everyday to see for a teardown [TS]

00:08:52   but I knew two people who had this thing [TS]

00:08:55   so I asked them to confirm and they both [TS]

00:08:57   either said I I don't think so [TS]

00:09:00   I can't tell or it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:09:02   like there's a fan and so when I had the [TS]

00:09:03   Apple employee say definitively there's [TS]

00:09:05   no fan I believe and the this Apple [TS]

00:09:07   employees excuse was that they couldn't [TS]

00:09:09   tell that they couldn't they thought [TS]

00:09:11   there was no fan because they couldn't [TS]

00:09:12   hear anything because it was totally [TS]

00:09:13   silent so they're like yeah my bad so [TS]

00:09:15   anyway like it's suspicious because when [TS]

00:09:16   you look at the bottom of it it has a [TS]

00:09:18   round pattern of air holes the previous [TS]

00:09:22   one had a solid bottom it seemed to have [TS]

00:09:24   no ventilation at all and that's why [TS]

00:09:26   this came up by the way because I was [TS]

00:09:28   tipped off either during or right after [TS]

00:09:30   the keynote of a public document an [TS]

00:09:32   apple site that showed like the the [TS]

00:09:33   lineart [TS]

00:09:34   like view of the thing showing the [TS]

00:09:35   measurements and stuff and it showed the [TS]

00:09:37   holes and it's like holes what does that [TS]

00:09:40   mean here I was like I was I was using [TS]

00:09:42   the Apple TV like letting it play [TS]

00:09:43   content and I lift it up and I I hear [TS]

00:09:47   nothing I like I muted the sound so I'd [TS]

00:09:49   would be a quiet room lifted up I hear [TS]

00:09:51   nothing I put my hand under events to [TS]

00:09:54   try to see if I could feel air movement [TS]

00:09:56   I felt nothing and I was like well one [TS]

00:09:59   of these holes for me maybe it's just [TS]

00:10:00   passively cooling by convection using [TS]

00:10:03   these holes like with a big heat sink [TS]

00:10:04   inside who knows but I'm like I'm like I [TS]

00:10:06   really don't think there's a fan here [TS]

00:10:08   but it is weird there's these holes in a [TS]

00:10:10   circular pattern here that would be [TS]

00:10:11   perfect if you had a fan behind it but I [TS]

00:10:13   could feel or hear nothing yeah and I'm [TS]

00:10:17   not quite sure even after seeing the [TS]

00:10:18   teardown like you know a convection or a [TS]

00:10:21   passive cooling with holes like that [TS]

00:10:22   makes traffic sounds a lot of things we [TS]

00:10:23   don't like that but there's no holes on [TS]

00:10:24   the top of this right it's only holes on [TS]

00:10:26   the bottom yeah it seems like there's no [TS]

00:10:27   intake holes but so my theory here like [TS]

00:10:30   if you ever done any kind of like you [TS]

00:10:32   know PC building with heatsink design [TS]

00:10:34   you know that or just if you have better [TS]

00:10:37   grasp on science than me you probably [TS]

00:10:38   already know this as well but but you [TS]

00:10:40   know that like you know a passive just a [TS]

00:10:42   heatsink with no fan on it when you [TS]

00:10:44   compare the cooling power of that to a [TS]

00:10:47   heatsink that has even a little slight [TS]

00:10:49   bit of air movement being pushed over it [TS]

00:10:51   it's a huge difference like even you can [TS]

00:10:54   have a fan running at incredibly low [TS]

00:10:56   speed and that will make a big [TS]

00:10:58   difference [TS]

00:10:59   for instance from having no fan at all [TS]

00:11:01   so I'm guessing this fan is probably [TS]

00:11:04   dynamically controlled first of all so I [TS]

00:11:05   bet when I felt nothing under there I [TS]

00:11:07   bet it actually wasn't spinning or it [TS]

00:11:08   was spinning at a ridiculously low speed [TS]

00:11:10   and maybe only if you're like really [TS]

00:11:12   pushing it hard like using 3d stuff in a [TS]

00:11:14   game maybe that's when it spins up but [TS]

00:11:17   like playing 4k video it was not doing [TS]

00:11:20   anything noticeable so I'm guessing it's [TS]

00:11:22   just a very low speed fan that might [TS]

00:11:24   have even not been spinning at all [TS]

00:11:25   during that during video playback [TS]

00:11:27   I bet it's always spending but that's [TS]

00:11:28   just a guess but anyway when I get this [TS]

00:11:30   thing I will tell you if I can hear it [TS]

00:11:32   and the reason you should believe me [TS]

00:11:33   that oh no it's because marco sent me an [TS]

00:11:37   airport router that he didn't want [TS]

00:11:39   anymore [TS]

00:11:40   that has a fan in and i was like off and [TS]

00:11:42   i knew it had a fan in it I'm like I [TS]

00:11:44   don't know if I want this thing with the [TS]

00:11:45   fan he sent it to me and as I think I [TS]

00:11:47   said on the show when I got it it has a [TS]

00:11:49   fan but the only way I can hear it is [TS]

00:11:52   that I literally shove my ear like so it [TS]

00:11:54   is touching the bottom of the device [TS]

00:11:56   that is the only and I can hear it when [TS]

00:11:58   I do that I can hear that it's turning [TS]

00:11:59   but in every other scenario I cannot [TS]

00:12:02   hear not like oh I can hear it family [TS]

00:12:03   you can turn off every device in my [TS]

00:12:05   house close all the windows make sure [TS]

00:12:06   everything is dead silent and I can be [TS]

00:12:08   two feet away from it and I can't hear a [TS]

00:12:09   damn thing so if the Apple TV is even [TS]

00:12:13   remotely is quiet because it is like 10 [TS]

00:12:15   feet away from me it might in my TV [TS]

00:12:17   entertainment center it'll be fine that [TS]

00:12:19   said if I put it up to my ear and [TS]

00:12:21   actually physically touched in my ear I [TS]

00:12:22   expect to be able to hear it if the fan [TS]

00:12:24   is moving so we'll see I'm gonna get [TS]

00:12:26   mine mine's delivering next week so next [TS]

00:12:28   show I will be able to give you an [TS]

00:12:29   answer mmm-hmm I'm skeptical I feel like [TS]

00:12:32   you've been but I think it's like I'm [TS]

00:12:34   getting on this I won't care if I can [TS]

00:12:36   hear it when I put up to me air because [TS]

00:12:37   I can't hear what if I can't hear it the [TS]

00:12:39   same thing I don't care about my airport [TS]

00:12:40   thing I don't care that I can shove that [TS]

00:12:43   to my ear it's not you know it's not a [TS]

00:12:45   communicator that's I have to jam it to [TS]

00:12:47   my ear it's way over there so I'm [TS]

00:12:48   perfectly happy to have fans that I [TS]

00:12:50   literally can't hear we'll see I expect [TS]

00:12:53   the truth the whole truth and nothing [TS]

00:12:55   but the truth I will give it to you I [TS]

00:12:56   wasn't imarco like stick a toothpick in [TS]

00:12:59   there and if something hits it great [TS]

00:13:04   idea this is before they had the [TS]

00:13:05   teardown I'm like look is there a fan [TS]

00:13:06   there is there no fan is there a fan [TS]

00:13:08   that you can't hear or is there [TS]

00:13:09   literally no fan [TS]

00:13:09   we know the answer we just don't know [TS]

00:13:12   whether it's spinning all the time yadda [TS]

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00:14:56   back please for sponsoring our show so [TS]

00:15:01   tell me about downloading movies from [TS]

00:15:03   iTunes is that a thing [TS]

00:15:04   on this box not 4k ones apparently this [TS]

00:15:07   is for Apple support document you can [TS]

00:15:09   download a local copy of an HD movie by [TS]

00:15:11   the way I hate the fact that they Qi [TS]

00:15:12   doesn't refer to 4k because what is 4k [TS]

00:15:14   if not high definition or even higher [TS]

00:15:16   definition anyway what is HiFi yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:19   and you might be able to download I hope [TS]

00:15:22   this this is the [TS]

00:15:24   you can download a local copy of HD [TS]

00:15:25   movie and you might be able to download [TS]

00:15:27   HDR and dolby vision versions what do [TS]

00:15:30   you mean I might like maybe you'll let [TS]

00:15:32   me maybe you won't [TS]

00:15:33   that's from Apple support document it [TS]

00:15:34   says you might be able to do this yes [TS]

00:15:36   maybe summer download right it says then [TS]

00:15:38   finally the last Clause but you can't [TS]

00:15:41   download a 4k version now why can't I [TS]

00:15:43   download a 4k version I have some [TS]

00:15:45   theories in this the one theory that [TS]

00:15:47   people have put forward is like oh the [TS]

00:15:48   4k versions are too big and he has [TS]

00:15:50   previously discussed and lamented [TS]

00:15:52   theoretical fixed size where you can [TS]

00:15:54   download stuff is not big enough to fit [TS]

00:15:55   a single 4k movie or it would take up [TS]

00:15:57   all the space right it's like oh there's [TS]

00:15:59   too big download I don't think that's [TS]

00:16:01   the case especially if they're they're a [TS]

00:16:02   TVC they shouldn't be that much you know [TS]

00:16:05   they shouldn't be like 50 gigabytes [TS]

00:16:06   versus 5 they should be bigger than the [TS]

00:16:08   HD ones but not like so big that you [TS]

00:16:11   can't download a single one of them [TS]

00:16:12   although maybe they just say look one of [TS]

00:16:14   them is so big it would take up all your [TS]

00:16:15   space and we don't want to do that right [TS]

00:16:18   another possibility is that as always [TS]

00:16:21   yeah I always have this as a possibility [TS]

00:16:22   is that content owners are stupid and [TS]

00:16:25   like you know we can't let them download [TS]

00:16:26   the 4k version because then people might [TS]

00:16:28   be able to pirate our movies and as long [TS]

00:16:30   as we stop them from downloading the 4k [TS]

00:16:31   DRM ik encumbered version of our movies [TS]

00:16:34   to their Apple TVs there's no way anyone [TS]

00:16:36   will ever pirate this movie and will be [TS]

00:16:37   safe from piracy so please don't let [TS]

00:16:40   anybody download like that's definitely [TS]

00:16:42   it that's definitely the answer like [TS]

00:16:44   it's such a dumb thing like so in this [TS]

00:16:46   day and age where people you know anyway [TS]

00:16:49   we don't know why but the bottom line is [TS]

00:16:50   if you were thinking that you're going [TS]

00:16:51   to be able to get to buy the Big Apple [TS]

00:16:54   TV so that you could download a 4k movie [TS]

00:16:57   and then watch it offline on your Apple [TS]

00:16:58   TV you will not be able to because the [TS]

00:17:00   Apple TV will not download the 4k [TS]

00:17:02   versions of movies to local storage it [TS]

00:17:04   will only stream it that's dumb [TS]

00:17:06   I don't like it so once again why is the [TS]

00:17:09   64 gig version what they up the limits [TS]

00:17:14   by the way on games it used to be like [TS]

00:17:16   you could download like 200 megabytes [TS]

00:17:18   and then you could download chunks of [TS]

00:17:19   on-demand content they upped it way more [TS]

00:17:21   so then you can download like a gigabyte [TS]

00:17:23   or more or something anyway in theory [TS]

00:17:25   you could make very large games in [TS]

00:17:27   Apple's fantasy world of the Apple TV as [TS]

00:17:30   an actual gaming console you could fill [TS]

00:17:32   the whole thing with games so tell me [TS]

00:17:34   about bootcamp because Randy Garcia has [TS]

00:17:37   written in [TS]

00:17:37   to point out to us that as we kiss was [TS]

00:17:39   John I think brought up airpower as a [TS]

00:17:43   kind of military term that's being used [TS]

00:17:46   by Apple as a product name which by the [TS]

00:17:49   way somebody did we talked about this [TS]

00:17:51   last episode somebody said it should [TS]

00:17:52   have been called apple juice somebody on [TS]

00:17:54   Twitter said this like right when it was [TS]

00:17:55   announced and I think that would have [TS]

00:17:56   been a terrible but much better name at [TS]

00:17:58   the same time but that would have been [TS]

00:18:00   hilarious but anyway so so Randy [TS]

00:18:03   Garcia's written in to say that boot [TS]

00:18:04   camp is another military term that Apple [TS]

00:18:07   is used in somebody maybe Randy has [TS]

00:18:09   provided a deeply troubling video of [TS]

00:18:12   Steve Jobs many years ago trying to act [TS]

00:18:15   do you want to tell us about this John [TS]

00:18:16   yeah boot camp is the one hadn't thought [TS]

00:18:19   of it's a good thing a good because I [TS]

00:18:21   couldn't recall a single or Apple [TS]

00:18:23   product that had military determinant [TS]

00:18:25   although I would say that boot camp has [TS]

00:18:26   got have been co-opted and made secular [TS]

00:18:29   secular sort of non military civilian [TS]

00:18:33   yeah made civilian in a way that air [TS]

00:18:35   power has not because now you have like [TS]

00:18:37   you know they have Jazzercise boot camps [TS]

00:18:40   and programming boot camps and [TS]

00:18:42   everything is a boot camp like it's [TS]

00:18:44   basically just a training place and I [TS]

00:18:45   guess they're still riffing on the [TS]

00:18:46   military one but anyway the other thing [TS]

00:18:48   is i disqualified because it is internal [TS]

00:18:53   only company communication and I don't [TS]

00:18:56   know if you've if you work at a big [TS]

00:18:57   company you've probably experienced [TS]

00:18:59   communication targeted made by [TS]

00:19:02   corporations targeted at their own [TS]

00:19:03   employees and they're usually pretty [TS]

00:19:06   awful and you may think that Apple is an [TS]

00:19:08   exception but I can tell you that bond [TS]

00:19:09   the 80s and 90s definitely was not an [TS]

00:19:11   exception there is a vast collection of [TS]

00:19:13   internal audio and video content created [TS]

00:19:17   by Apple for Apple's employees only [TS]

00:19:20   that is cringe-worthy and hilarious and [TS]

00:19:24   someone's good fun to write it's usually [TS]

00:19:26   just a bunch of engineers or a bunch of [TS]

00:19:28   people in HR making a video with like [TS]

00:19:30   80s video technology like they didn't [TS]

00:19:32   they didn't have an iMac with iMovie on [TS]

00:19:34   it they had like you know Betamax and [TS]

00:19:36   VHS and probably fancier professional [TS]

00:19:39   video stuff and they didn't have actors [TS]

00:19:41   they had just like their employees and I [TS]

00:19:44   think the one in question is Steve Jobs [TS]

00:19:46   are tending to be FDR or [TS]

00:19:49   I believe that's right I think it was [TS]

00:19:50   FDR anyway you can watch in YouTube if [TS]

00:19:52   you want to be said about internal [TS]

00:19:54   corporate communications but rest [TS]

00:19:55   assured Apple was no exception and [TS]

00:19:58   probably continues to be no exception [TS]

00:19:59   that they can make cool things [TS]

00:20:01   externally but their internal facing [TS]

00:20:04   corporate videos are not quite at the [TS]

00:20:07   same standard our final piece of follow [TS]

00:20:10   up today is from a friend of the show [TS]

00:20:12   Sam but well submit who is of the wheel [TS]

00:20:13   bearings podcast this is all going to [TS]

00:20:15   come up again later in the after show [TS]

00:20:16   this was with regard to our comments [TS]

00:20:19   about the Acura TLX that I had driven or [TS]

00:20:22   excuse me had ridden in he wrote to us [TS]

00:20:24   to say with regard to the comments about [TS]

00:20:26   the DCT the torque converters mounted [TS]

00:20:28   between the flywheel and the dual clutch [TS]

00:20:30   pack and intended to provide some torque [TS]

00:20:32   multiplication and smooth out the shifts [TS]

00:20:34   a bit it's work but it's nothing to get [TS]

00:20:36   worked up about and he provided a link [TS]

00:20:38   to some more info that strikes me as [TS]

00:20:40   super freakin weird like the whole [TS]

00:20:42   reason I tend to hate automatics is [TS]

00:20:44   because of that like that mushy feeling [TS]

00:20:47   that a torque converter brings and I [TS]

00:20:48   understand the motivation here the [TS]

00:20:49   motivation makes sense but it's just [TS]

00:20:51   you're taking away the one thing I love [TS]

00:20:53   about a DCT which is that I feel it [TS]

00:20:55   feels more direct to me than a [TS]

00:20:56   traditional automatic the one but if I [TS]

00:20:58   could see here is that when you're [TS]

00:21:00   driving a DCT the shifting between like [TS]

00:21:03   first and second like when you drew it [TS]

00:21:04   when you're going at low speeds and then [TS]

00:21:06   you're using like first and second gear [TS]

00:21:08   that can be very jerky just like if you [TS]

00:21:10   do it in a stick you know if you're [TS]

00:21:11   selling into a market that is accustomed [TS]

00:21:13   to automatics that might feel too jerky [TS]

00:21:15   to them yeah if you're selling to sick [TS]

00:21:17   people it's gonna feel perfectly awesome [TS]

00:21:18   and normal but if you're stiff you're [TS]

00:21:20   selling to automatic people I see why [TS]

00:21:22   they would do that I agree with you [TS]

00:21:24   though that like at that point why not [TS]

00:21:25   just use you know really good eight or [TS]

00:21:27   nine speed Auto and maybe that's why [TS]

00:21:29   they're premium option is just a nine [TS]

00:21:31   area to beat auto like and but again [TS]

00:21:34   like I would prefer a DCT that's just a [TS]

00:21:37   DCT without anything in front of it but [TS]

00:21:39   I do see like for the market they're [TS]

00:21:41   selling why they do that but it just [TS]

00:21:43   doesn't make sense to me that they would [TS]

00:21:44   bother with a DCT at all at that point I [TS]

00:21:46   think there's a limitation of current D [TS]

00:21:49   cities that they can't be that smooth [TS]

00:21:51   down at low speeds right because if [TS]

00:21:53   someone using a manual can be right they [TS]

00:21:55   just slip the clutch more like you could [TS]

00:21:57   yeah start and stop as smooth as you [TS]

00:21:58   want and apparently that's not within [TS]

00:22:00   the realm of not within the functional [TS]

00:22:03   envelope of modern DC's most of which [TS]

00:22:05   are tuned shift very fast like it the [TS]

00:22:07   you know for at the higher speeds like [TS]

00:22:09   but not so much tuned for creeping out [TS]

00:22:11   of parking lot and rounding the corner [TS]

00:22:13   around a residential Road and you get a [TS]

00:22:14   little bit of a bump and the TLX again [TS]

00:22:17   trying to split the difference between [TS]

00:22:18   the tsx and the TL and erroring on the [TS]

00:22:21   side of being boring as always went [TS]

00:22:24   further they went for it like the most [TS]

00:22:25   important thing is not to jostle the [TS]

00:22:27   occupants so they took a sporty [TS]

00:22:30   transmission and put a little bit of [TS]

00:22:32   slush in between it in the wheels to [TS]

00:22:35   smooth things out at low speeds maybe it [TS]

00:22:37   would be better if like if that if the [TS]

00:22:38   torque converter wasn't a factor at [TS]

00:22:40   higher speeds or anything but either way [TS]

00:22:42   like it's such a sort of Frankenstein [TS]

00:22:45   setup that yeah it is it does seem much [TS]

00:22:47   cleaner to either I've lucky either got [TS]

00:22:49   an automatic or you go stick or a DCT [TS]

00:22:51   and they all have their own behaviors [TS]

00:22:53   and trying to combine them into sort of [TS]

00:22:55   a hybrid suspension with the best of all [TS]

00:22:56   worlds is just kind of papering over the [TS]

00:22:58   flaws like it used to be when we had [TS]

00:23:00   single clutch automated manuals that [TS]

00:23:01   they were super rough right and there [TS]

00:23:04   was slow shifting and very jerky and a [TS]

00:23:06   dual clutch really helped because you [TS]

00:23:07   could have the other gear set ready to [TS]

00:23:08   go and swap very quickly without the [TS]

00:23:11   harshness right but apparently there's [TS]

00:23:14   still problems at low speed and so I [TS]

00:23:16   feel like in you know another 5-10 years [TS]

00:23:18   they work out the details and ECC's [TS]

00:23:20   maybe they won't need a hack like this [TS]

00:23:22   but anyway like it's not a great car [TS]

00:23:24   anyway should there are a lot of better [TS]

00:23:25   choices in that question that we've now [TS]

00:23:28   lost all of the listeners who don't [TS]

00:23:30   really care about cars so sorry everyone [TS]

00:23:32   you can come back now we're back and [TS]

00:23:35   we're gonna talk ask ATP so let's begin [TS]

00:23:37   with Colin we're who writes John's rant [TS]

00:23:40   about tech people forgetting betas that [TS]

00:23:43   forgetting that betas are betas reminded [TS]

00:23:45   me of a question I have a lot of the [TS]

00:23:47   times on iOS betas I will find bugs and [TS]

00:23:49   apps that I report to developers to say [TS]

00:23:51   hey this doesn't work on the iOS 11 beta [TS]

00:23:53   I usually get a response along the line [TS]

00:23:55   so if yes this is a beta betas aren't [TS]

00:23:58   supported and then I'll often see rants [TS]

00:23:59   from people like top BOTS paul [TS]

00:24:01   complaining about people saying things [TS]

00:24:02   are broken on betas but an inherent part [TS]

00:24:05   of the beta experience is reporting bugs [TS]

00:24:06   in fact that's the reason betas exist so [TS]

00:24:09   if I want to be a good citizen and beta [TS]

00:24:10   user and report issues I find how can I [TS]

00:24:12   do it without annoying [TS]

00:24:14   this is pretty simple really so you know [TS]

00:24:17   when you're on a beta keep in mind that [TS]

00:24:19   in some cases the developer has I've had [TS]

00:24:21   time to fix the bug that you are [TS]

00:24:23   reporting because like the beta just [TS]

00:24:24   came out and they got at the same time [TS]

00:24:26   you did in a lot of cases the developer [TS]

00:24:28   can't fix the bug that you're reporting [TS]

00:24:30   until the GM SDK comes out which could [TS]

00:24:32   be months later right before the GM [TS]

00:24:34   Arena right before the the version is [TS]

00:24:36   released to the public so mainly because [TS]

00:24:39   you we can't submit builds to the App [TS]

00:24:41   Store that use the beta SDK until the GM [TS]

00:24:44   is out the apps won't accept them so if [TS]

00:24:47   you're telling someone that this is [TS]

00:24:49   broken in the form of like a complaint [TS]

00:24:52   like I demand that you fix us quickly [TS]

00:24:54   dammit that's really frustrating for [TS]

00:24:56   developers to hear because they they [TS]

00:24:58   probably you know had they probably know [TS]

00:25:00   about that already and they probably [TS]

00:25:02   can't fix it yet or have had a chance to [TS]

00:25:03   fix it yet and they you know it doesn't [TS]

00:25:05   really matter because it still a beta if [TS]

00:25:07   you are trying to leave it asked to [TS]

00:25:09   review in some ways fortunately iOS has [TS]

00:25:11   has prevented this in recent versions [TS]

00:25:13   like usually you aren't you aren't able [TS]

00:25:15   to leave reviews from betas anymore from [TS]

00:25:17   beta iOS anymore which is nice that [TS]

00:25:18   would also be a thing not to do but if [TS]

00:25:21   you're just telling somebody in a civil [TS]

00:25:22   way like hey there's this bug I I [TS]

00:25:24   thought you might want to know about it [TS]

00:25:25   that's totally fine and we as developers [TS]

00:25:27   need that and I appreciate that that's [TS]

00:25:30   good so as long as it's not a one-star [TS]

00:25:32   review or using the tone or freezing of [TS]

00:25:35   like a complaint that you expect it to [TS]

00:25:37   be fixed all of a sudden it's fine well [TS]

00:25:40   I think the key part here is like how do [TS]

00:25:42   I be a good beta user and what are you [TS]

00:25:44   Abeyta userupp if you're a beta user of [TS]

00:25:46   the operating system you should report [TS]

00:25:47   it be reporting bugs to Apple not to [TS]

00:25:49   third-party developers the only way you [TS]

00:25:51   should be reporting bugs to third-party [TS]

00:25:52   developers is if you are on like the [TS]

00:25:54   overcast beta and Marco wants to know [TS]

00:25:56   here's a beta of overcast how does it [TS]

00:25:58   work and in that case mark will probably [TS]

00:26:00   tell you I want you to test this beta on [TS]

00:26:03   a released version of the operating [TS]

00:26:05   system right because know no third-party [TS]

00:26:08   developers are going to support their [TS]

00:26:10   applications on unreleased versions of [TS]

00:26:11   the operating system they're gonna they [TS]

00:26:13   may ask they may use it themselves and [TS]

00:26:14   ask their beta testers to use it but [TS]

00:26:16   they really want to know how is this [TS]

00:26:18   going to work on the real release [TS]

00:26:19   version so if you're not a beta tester [TS]

00:26:22   of the application you're reporting bugs [TS]

00:26:23   on you don't have to feel like you have [TS]

00:26:25   to be a good beta citizen because you [TS]

00:26:27   not on that beta if your beta testing [TS]

00:26:29   iOS the way to be a good citizen is [TS]

00:26:31   report bugs you find in the OS now does [TS]

00:26:35   Apple want to know that some third-party [TS]

00:26:37   application you have doesn't work on it [TS]

00:26:39   probably not but you know it's a giant [TS]

00:26:43   black hole throw over whatever bug [TS]

00:26:46   reports you want let them do with what [TS]

00:26:48   they want but I would say that what [TS]

00:26:49   Apple is looking for are bugs in the [TS]

00:26:51   operating system itself of which they [TS]

00:26:53   are usually plenty and if you want to be [TS]

00:26:55   a good basis and you want to report bugs [TS]

00:26:56   do that right but and if you want to [TS]

00:27:00   report bugs on a third-party iOS apps [TS]

00:27:02   talk to the developer and say hey can I [TS]

00:27:04   be on your beta program the next time [TS]

00:27:05   you have a beta ready send it to me and [TS]

00:27:07   I will try it and report bugs and they [TS]

00:27:09   would appreciate that everything John [TS]

00:27:11   just said is wrong thank you Wow what [TS]

00:27:16   are you trying to say you don't you [TS]

00:27:17   don't want people to report bugs and [TS]

00:27:18   overcast or you want them to report bugs [TS]

00:27:20   about your application doesn't work on [TS]

00:27:21   beta OSS the idea that I would only want [TS]

00:27:25   bug reports from overcast beta users is [TS]

00:27:27   completely wrong well no but like I'm [TS]

00:27:29   saying if you want to be a good beta if [TS]

00:27:31   you want to be a good beta citizen like [TS]

00:27:32   they're not a beta citizen if they're [TS]

00:27:34   not using like how would they even get [TS]

00:27:35   to overcast beta if they're not on your [TS]

00:27:36   beta you see I'm saying no but like if [TS]

00:27:38   you if you're using my app on a beta OS [TS]

00:27:40   and you run into a bug I would like to [TS]

00:27:42   know about that chances are I probably [TS]

00:27:44   already know about it [TS]

00:27:45   but what if I don't you know my beta [TS]

00:27:47   groups are really small and most of the [TS]

00:27:49   time I don't have a current beta running [TS]

00:27:51   so I want to know about that stuff and [TS]

00:27:53   the idea that you should only report [TS]

00:27:56   bugs on the OS if you're testing an OS [TS]

00:27:58   beta is totally wrong I don't know any [TS]

00:28:00   developer who wouldn't want those [TS]

00:28:02   reports well that's how you'd be a good [TS]

00:28:03   that's how you be a good beta citizen [TS]

00:28:05   because you're testing a beta of the OS [TS]

00:28:07   tap BOTS Paul apparently doesn't want to [TS]

00:28:09   hear your complaints about their broken [TS]

00:28:10   things because they know they're broken [TS]

00:28:11   on the beta one oh but again it's it's [TS]

00:28:13   an it's I think it's a difference of [TS]

00:28:14   tone it's a difference of like hey just [TS]

00:28:16   you know this is broken versus I demand [TS]

00:28:18   that you fix this you know it's it's [TS]

00:28:20   that's a very different tone and one of [TS]

00:28:22   them is is helpful and one of them is [TS]

00:28:24   not I think it even just reporting [TS]

00:28:26   especially if it's a well-known bug or [TS]

00:28:28   reporting it like it is almost no way to [TS]

00:28:31   say it if it's the if you were the nine [TS]

00:28:32   print and that hundredth person telling [TS]

00:28:34   somebody to their app crashes on launch [TS]

00:28:35   in the iOS loving beta like there's [TS]

00:28:37   almost no way you can say that it's not [TS]

00:28:39   going to eventually Drive you [TS]

00:28:40   and I feel like I don't think that's a [TS]

00:28:43   particularly useful thing to be doing [TS]

00:28:44   like especially with something like [TS]

00:28:46   crashes on launch if the developer [TS]

00:28:48   doesn't know that they don't care about [TS]

00:28:49   the app anymore and it's hopeless right [TS]

00:28:52   chances are good they know it crashes on [TS]

00:28:54   launch and they're addressing it well [TS]

00:28:56   what if it only crashes on launch on a [TS]

00:28:58   phone you don't use you know like this [TS]

00:29:01   that's why I like these I can't think of [TS]

00:29:03   a situation where I would not want those [TS]

00:29:05   reports even if I'm getting 100 of them [TS]

00:29:07   then then I'll tweet from the account [TS]

00:29:08   saying hey just so you know I know about [TS]

00:29:09   this thanks for your reports then you [TS]

00:29:11   could not report the same thing again [TS]

00:29:12   but like you know if if something like [TS]

00:29:15   that happens I want to know to be a good [TS]

00:29:16   citizen how about don't expect a [TS]

00:29:18   response if the developer is getting [TS]

00:29:22   tons of them then they won't be able [TS]

00:29:23   respond to all of them but like yeah by [TS]

00:29:26   all means please tell us we need like [TS]

00:29:28   that's the point of betas even if they [TS]

00:29:30   aren't our software in beta even if it's [TS]

00:29:32   the OS software in beta [TS]

00:29:34   we still need to know that's again that [TS]

00:29:35   kind of stuff I think we need to survey [TS]

00:29:37   more developers to ask them if they [TS]

00:29:39   really want people testing their [TS]

00:29:40   applications on beta OSS and giving them [TS]

00:29:42   bug reports because I have almost always [TS]

00:29:44   heard the opposite that please do not do [TS]

00:29:47   not send me reports of how my [TS]

00:29:49   application doesn't work on a beta [TS]

00:29:50   version of the OS because it's not like [TS]

00:29:53   it's almost like a support function [TS]

00:29:54   don't contact me through support [TS]

00:29:55   channels if you're not on my beta to [TS]

00:29:57   tell me that my application doesn't work [TS]

00:29:58   in a beta OS like they just don't want [TS]

00:30:01   to hear it and maybe they're just [TS]

00:30:01   frustrated maybe you're right it's just [TS]

00:30:03   about tone and all I ever hear is the [TS]

00:30:04   frustrated complaint and really it's [TS]

00:30:06   super valuable for them and they just [TS]

00:30:07   eventually reach their limit and snap [TS]

00:30:09   but I've always heard the opposite not [TS]

00:30:12   that I'm sending these reports by the [TS]

00:30:13   way you save for the podcast [TS]

00:30:16   I haven't being a good business and I [TS]

00:30:18   don't even send Apple the bug reports [TS]

00:30:21   Mike Paul writes to ask do you think ap [TS]

00:30:24   FS will be supported on fusion drives in [TS]

00:30:26   future builds of High Sierra so chief [TS]

00:30:28   summarizer in chief summary a p FS was [TS]

00:30:31   supported on fusion drives which are [TS]

00:30:32   these kind of weirdo scenarios where you [TS]

00:30:35   have a spinning disk and a SSD that is [TS]

00:30:37   kind of melded to be one volume i'm sure [TS]

00:30:42   i'm that's not going to satisfy john but [TS]

00:30:44   for the purposes of this conversation [TS]

00:30:45   all you need to know and so they were [TS]

00:30:48   supported in betas of high sierra and [TS]

00:30:50   then when the GM happened oh just [TS]

00:30:52   kidding [TS]

00:30:53   there is no [TS]

00:30:54   fusion drive support for you so you're [TS]

00:30:56   gonna have to reformat to hfs+ if you [TS]

00:30:58   want to go to high sierra so the [TS]

00:31:00   question is do you think I guess John do [TS]

00:31:03   you think that this will be supported in [TS]

00:31:05   future builds yes I do because Apple has [TS]

00:31:08   shipped a lot of fusion drives and I [TS]

00:31:10   think they don't want any of us hanging [TS]

00:31:11   around and they almost had it working so [TS]

00:31:14   they'll eventually get it working hi I [TS]

00:31:17   expected what is future how many points [TS]

00:31:19   do we have to go through how difficult [TS]

00:31:21   is it I don't know but I do expect it [TS]

00:31:23   I'll be surprised if if it's not [TS]

00:31:25   supported also Craig federighi sent an [TS]

00:31:27   email to somebody allegedly saying yes [TS]

00:31:29   the company's coming in a future version [TS]

00:31:30   basically there you go Oh fair enough [TS]

00:31:32   all right well that's it for asked ATP [TS]

00:31:35   as always you can tweet your questions [TS]

00:31:37   with the hashtag ask ATP and our magic [TS]

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00:31:45   them if we think they're good enough no [TS]

00:31:46   pressure with continued apologies to dip [TS]

00:31:48   great podcast where we stole this from [TS]

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00:33:14   all right so uh it sounds like all three [TS]

00:33:18   households have received new toys in the [TS]

00:33:21   last week although not all three hosts [TS]

00:33:23   so the Apple watch Series three is out [TS]

00:33:27   they have been received as of this past [TS]

00:33:30   Friday by those who had pre-ordered [TS]

00:33:33   basically at the obscene hour of 3:00 in [TS]

00:33:35   the morning if you live on the east [TS]

00:33:36   coast like all three of us do so all [TS]

00:33:38   three households have received them [TS]

00:33:40   Marco you and/or tiff have one how many [TS]

00:33:43   how many did you get for the two of you [TS]

00:33:44   all just one tifus I didn't want one [TS]

00:33:47   okay and then I got one for myself and [TS]

00:33:50   actually Aaron got a non sell one for [TS]

00:33:52   her although for Aaron and TIFF by the [TS]

00:33:55   way what were their reasons for saying [TS]

00:33:56   they don't want so well TIFF decided she [TS]

00:33:59   didn't want the watch at all for Aaron [TS]

00:34:04   there is never a time she expects to be [TS]

00:34:06   that far away from her phone to justify [TS]

00:34:08   spending the extra money each month and [TS]

00:34:09   Aaron Aaron likes her watch I think it's [TS]

00:34:14   fair to say but doesn't love her watch [TS]

00:34:17   she she views it mostly as a second [TS]

00:34:20   screen in terms of notifications and [TS]

00:34:22   very little else and so because of that [TS]

00:34:25   she didn't seem to think it was worth [TS]

00:34:27   the extra money each month and if she [TS]

00:34:29   wasn't in if she knew she was never ever [TS]

00:34:31   ever going to pay for cell service then [TS]

00:34:33   why bother paying the extra money for [TS]

00:34:35   the cell radio but she did want a new [TS]

00:34:37   watch then she's got a new one just her [TS]

00:34:39   current watch is slow or you thought she [TS]

00:34:41   should just get one so you feel less bad [TS]

00:34:42   about getting expensive new watch all of [TS]

00:34:44   the above her current watch her or a [TS]

00:34:46   previous now watch was a series zero as [TS]

00:34:48   was mine and it was slow and she has the [TS]

00:34:51   38 millimeters the battery life was [TS]

00:34:52   getting to be comically bad after the [TS]

00:34:55   court in over the course of two years [TS]

00:34:56   which is just some degrees to be [TS]

00:34:58   expected and I was spending a whole [TS]

00:35:00   bunch of money on my fancy new watch and [TS]

00:35:02   I figured you know if I'm gonna get a [TS]

00:35:03   fancy new watch then she should get a [TS]

00:35:04   fancy new watch that's because but the [TS]

00:35:06   solution to spending money and feeling [TS]

00:35:07   guilty about is just spend more money [TS]

00:35:09   yeah exactly [TS]

00:35:10   well yeah this is the Marco approach and [TS]

00:35:12   now the KC approach it's in have I [TS]

00:35:14   taught you nothing [TS]

00:35:17   and so anyway say yes so your wife [TS]

00:35:20   hazard has not received hers yet she has [TS]

00:35:22   not received it's a birthday gift okay [TS]

00:35:24   so I won't be able to ask you about your [TS]

00:35:26   experience then but I will start by [TS]

00:35:29   asking Marco because I suspect you will [TS]

00:35:31   not have too much to say about this [TS]

00:35:33   famous last words what is your [TS]

00:35:35   experience what is your experience been [TS]

00:35:36   with your Apple watch Series three with [TS]

00:35:38   LTE I have not really used the LTE yet [TS]

00:35:41   because I mainly got the LTE so I could [TS]

00:35:44   build overcast with it when the API lets [TS]

00:35:47   me do that and I hope that is soon and [TS]

00:35:50   but that is the main reason I got it [TS]

00:35:51   because I know because all of my [TS]

00:35:53   customers were asking for it so I [TS]

00:35:54   figured I should I need that for testing [TS]

00:35:56   hello [TS]

00:35:57   but the the for the rest of the series [TS]

00:35:59   three it's fantastic [TS]

00:36:01   I mean it's the the way that the keynote [TS]

00:36:04   phrased the speed improvements it didn't [TS]

00:36:07   sound like it was that big of a [TS]

00:36:08   difference in sound like it was like an [TS]

00:36:09   incremental speed update it's not it's a [TS]

00:36:12   massive speed upgrade from even the [TS]

00:36:14   series to which itself [TS]

00:36:16   I know answers one which themselves were [TS]

00:36:18   massive speed upgrades from the original [TS]

00:36:21   series zero if you still have a series [TS]

00:36:23   II row and you are at all thinking about [TS]

00:36:25   upgrading upgrade it is an incredibly [TS]

00:36:28   fast device now not to the but not not [TS]

00:36:31   like phone speed like it's not that [TS]

00:36:33   you're never waiting for anything but [TS]

00:36:35   compared to where it was it's a huge [TS]

00:36:39   speed upgrade yep I would agree with [TS]

00:36:42   that and I'd also like to quickly double [TS]

00:36:43   down and say that the battery life [TS]

00:36:46   improvement for me anyway has also been [TS]

00:36:49   tremendous so I completely agree with [TS]

00:36:52   you if you're listening to this and you [TS]

00:36:55   have a series zero watch and that's the [TS]

00:36:57   only one I have experience with I can't [TS]

00:36:58   speak for series one or series two if [TS]

00:36:59   you have a series zero watch and you're [TS]

00:37:01   thinking yeah maybe it's time it's time [TS]

00:37:03   because this is way better both speed [TS]

00:37:07   wise as Marco said and in my experience [TS]

00:37:09   so far in battery life as well [TS]

00:37:11   keep in mind also with battery life I [TS]

00:37:12   was thing about the other day like the [TS]

00:37:14   Apple watch is so dependent on having [TS]

00:37:17   adequate battery life like if your watch [TS]

00:37:19   dies in the middle of the day that [TS]

00:37:22   really makes it a lot less useful to you [TS]

00:37:23   like if it can't make it the hole and [TS]

00:37:25   this is one of the reasons why Apple is [TS]

00:37:26   so conservative about how it spends its [TS]

00:37:28   power budget now that's one of the [TS]

00:37:29   reasons why the OS is so limited by apps [TS]

00:37:31   unlimited because you know if your phone [TS]

00:37:34   dies [TS]

00:37:35   you know 3/4 of the way through a day [TS]

00:37:36   you can plug it in somewhere for a few [TS]

00:37:38   minutes then and then get back to using [TS]

00:37:40   it again with your watch that's really [TS]

00:37:42   in communion sites like take it off put [TS]

00:37:44   it somewhere you probably not even have [TS]

00:37:45   a lot of extra chargers for it because [TS]

00:37:47   they're this separate thing it's kind of [TS]

00:37:49   a pain it's this giant magnetic disk [TS]

00:37:50   thing so like you know most people are [TS]

00:37:53   gonna have one charger it's gonna be [TS]

00:37:54   like next to their bed at night so if [TS]

00:37:56   your battery life sinks down to the [TS]

00:37:58   point where it can't make it a full day [TS]

00:38:00   that dramatically reduces your happiness [TS]

00:38:04   and the usefulness of that device so [TS]

00:38:06   because these batteries degrade over [TS]

00:38:08   time I suspect that a lot of people are [TS]

00:38:12   going to be replacing them about every 2 [TS]

00:38:14   to 3 years even if they're totally happy [TS]

00:38:16   with them just because the battery will [TS]

00:38:17   start fading and it'll it'll cross the [TS]

00:38:20   point where it's no longer making it [TS]

00:38:21   through a full day for them and that's [TS]

00:38:22   gonna suck so if you have a series Eero [TS]

00:38:26   and this describes you which I've heard [TS]

00:38:27   that's this is roughly the time that's [TS]

00:38:28   that's really starting to happen with a [TS]

00:38:30   lot of the series zeros where the [TS]

00:38:31   battery is not making it anymore if you [TS]

00:38:34   have a series zero and you are at all [TS]

00:38:36   thinking about upgrading this is a good [TS]

00:38:37   time to do that and these are great I'm [TS]

00:38:39   incredibly happy with them yep I agree [TS]

00:38:41   I'm probably gonna have to upgrade [TS]

00:38:43   eventually to because even though I [TS]

00:38:44   don't wear my Apple watch except for a [TS]

00:38:46   few weeks a year I do wear it a few [TS]

00:38:47   weeks here and my series zero it's I [TS]

00:38:50   mean the battery is okay but it is it's [TS]

00:38:53   it's in rough shape like it's so angry [TS]

00:38:55   at me because I don't wear it I just [TS]

00:38:56   leave it on its charger sitting on my [TS]

00:38:58   you know dresser or whatever I tried to [TS]

00:38:59   upgrade to watch OS 4 which toking like [TS]

00:39:01   three days to complete because my phone [TS]

00:39:04   wouldn't connect to it or I would tell [TS]

00:39:06   me it's downloading it would say [TS]

00:39:07   download / zoom when you're connected to [TS]

00:39:09   Wi-Fi when I was totally on a Wi-Fi I'm [TS]

00:39:11   like a foot from the Wi-Fi router and [TS]

00:39:12   everything is connected to Wi-Fi or it [TS]

00:39:14   said I can't connect to the phone but [TS]

00:39:15   the watch could ping the phone and say [TS]

00:39:17   it was connected I rebooted both devices [TS]

00:39:19   in the end what I had to do was wipe the [TS]

00:39:21   entire watch and start over and restore [TS]

00:39:24   from her backup it's the only way and [TS]

00:39:25   then I'm restoring from a watch OS 3 [TS]

00:39:27   backup and then once that got on then [TS]

00:39:28   finally I could upgrade to 4 which still [TS]

00:39:30   takes a year and Dave actually run but I [TS]

00:39:33   was I was glad to see that's that big [TS]

00:39:34   circular progress bar and the four-hour [TS]

00:39:36   wait for an upgrade so anyway now my [TS]

00:39:38   series 0 Apple watch is running the new [TS]

00:39:40   OS but I think I will actually buy a new [TS]

00:39:42   one I just I'm [TS]

00:39:44   really don't want to because I really [TS]

00:39:46   like the stainless-steel one and it [TS]

00:39:47   costs a tremendous amount of money and I [TS]

00:39:49   rarely wear it in the end I probably [TS]

00:39:51   will get a new one not this year but [TS]

00:39:53   like next year or the year after what [TS]

00:39:55   will happen is I'll go to WWC or go on [TS]

00:39:58   vacation one year and iWatch won't make [TS]

00:39:59   it through the day like Marco said and [TS]

00:40:01   I'll be like well that's it I've like [TS]

00:40:02   either either I don't have a Baba watch [TS]

00:40:03   anymore I have to buy a new one and in [TS]

00:40:05   the end I'll probably buy any one but [TS]

00:40:06   not this year although who knows maybe [TS]

00:40:08   maybe seeing my wife he was here cool [TS]

00:40:10   cellular Dick Tracy watch it would [TS]

00:40:12   convince me that I should get one but I [TS]

00:40:14   doubt it yeah I mean it hey if you get [TS]

00:40:17   one you can switch back to your flip [TS]

00:40:18   phone yeah that's gonna have my flip [TS]

00:40:22   phone somewhere but I can't no and one [TS]

00:40:25   other thing on the speed to like I would [TS]

00:40:27   say you know again I guess it's it [TS]

00:40:28   doesn't make it like a super fast device [TS]

00:40:30   but this is I think this is the first [TS]

00:40:33   Apple watch that's not too slow yeah I [TS]

00:40:37   agree with all of that so I got my Apple [TS]

00:40:40   watch series three late-ish Friday I [TS]

00:40:43   typically go and my I do my exercise on [TS]

00:40:47   Monday Tuesday and Friday generally [TS]

00:40:48   speaking so it wasn't until this past [TS]

00:40:49   Monday and Tuesday that I was able to [TS]

00:40:51   try going for a run without my phone [TS]

00:40:53   which is kind of weird I mean I've only [TS]

00:40:55   been running semi consistently for a few [TS]

00:40:57   months it's not like I'm some expert you [TS]

00:40:59   know forever long runner and even in [TS]

00:41:02   just a few months I've gotten used to [TS]

00:41:03   having my phone either in my hand [TS]

00:41:06   careening out of my bum bag as I'm [TS]

00:41:08   trying to put it in set bag which is why [TS]

00:41:10   my screen broke or bouncing around on my [TS]

00:41:13   tailbone as it's in my sort of kind of [TS]

00:41:16   fanny pack hello the UK you mean your [TS]

00:41:18   sit bone yes yes that's totally it [TS]

00:41:21   except not at all [TS]

00:41:21   but anyway hey the the point is it was [TS]

00:41:25   it was very weird but immediately very [TS]

00:41:27   freeing not to have to carry my phone [TS]

00:41:30   which is super cool so I put in my air [TS]

00:41:33   pods [TS]

00:41:34   I had previously downloaded some music [TS]

00:41:38   onto my watch connected my ear pods to [TS]

00:41:41   my watch and I started listening to [TS]

00:41:43   music started to run and run keeper and [TS]

00:41:45   went on my run and it was really really [TS]

00:41:47   awesome there are some problems with [TS]

00:41:50   this though number one I want I don't [TS]

00:41:53   want to listen to music I want to listen [TS]

00:41:54   to podcasts I can barely keep up with [TS]

00:41:56   all my podcasts as it is and [TS]

00:41:58   running is a really great time for me to [TS]

00:41:59   plow through you know maybe one episode [TS]

00:42:01   or an episode and a half or whatever of [TS]

00:42:03   some of my favorite shows and if I don't [TS]

00:42:06   bring my phone that I'm not listening to [TS]

00:42:08   podcast and that's a bummer [TS]

00:42:09   so if only I knew the guy that uses my [TS]

00:42:12   other that writes my podcast client app [TS]

00:42:15   whatever of choice maybe I could put in [TS]

00:42:17   a good word with him about how I'd [TS]

00:42:19   really love some overcast watch support [TS]

00:42:22   and I understand what the problems are [TS]

00:42:24   and you wrote a really really great post [TS]

00:42:26   about it and then this week's under the [TS]

00:42:28   radar you talked about kind of the same [TS]

00:42:29   thing so as much as I joke I'm not [TS]

00:42:31   actually beating you up about it because [TS]

00:42:33   I know your hands are tied but please [TS]

00:42:34   PLEASE Apple give Marco the tools give [TS]

00:42:37   mark of the tools so we can have this [TS]

00:42:39   nice thing we just want nice things but [TS]

00:42:42   anyway we've already talked about the [TS]

00:42:44   battery life battery life is tremendous [TS]

00:42:45   as compared to previous I have gone on [TS]

00:42:49   not only a couple of runs with the watch [TS]

00:42:51   but also I have taken Declan to the [TS]

00:42:53   little park that's within our [TS]

00:42:55   neighborhood a few times and generally [TS]

00:42:57   speaking in the past I brought my phone [TS]

00:42:58   which means I'm often tempted to look at [TS]

00:43:01   like Twitter or Instagram or whatever [TS]

00:43:02   instead of playing with Declan because [TS]

00:43:03   I'm a terrible father and not having my [TS]

00:43:06   phone with me makes it much harder to [TS]

00:43:08   look at Twitter or Instagram or [TS]

00:43:10   what-have-you because I don't have those [TS]

00:43:11   apps on my watch and that's been really [TS]

00:43:14   awesome what has been less awesome is [TS]

00:43:16   replying to text messages and things [TS]

00:43:18   like that because it seems that about [TS]

00:43:21   one time in 3 the text messages just the [TS]

00:43:24   text message it just doesn't send and I [TS]

00:43:26   and when I say text message I mean both [TS]

00:43:27   iMessage and text message so that's kind [TS]

00:43:30   of a bummer kind of a big bummer yeah I [TS]

00:43:32   don't know if that's a I don't know if [TS]

00:43:33   that's a software problem I don't know [TS]

00:43:34   if it's a hardware problem I'm guessing [TS]

00:43:36   it's a software thing but that really [TS]

00:43:39   bums me out the other thing that's been [TS]

00:43:41   a little bit troubling is I have seen a [TS]

00:43:45   very small version of the bug that about [TS]

00:43:49   half of the reviewers hit insofar as as [TS]

00:43:52   I run I'm running in my neighborhood and [TS]

00:43:55   at one point or another I will pass the [TS]

00:43:58   house because I start you know a little [TS]

00:44:00   bit past the house I run for a while [TS]

00:44:02   past the house again and that's where I [TS]

00:44:03   end I end where I started and I realized [TS]

00:44:07   as I as I was coming to the end of my [TS]

00:44:09   run which is close to the house but pass [TS]

00:44:11   house I was attempting to do something I [TS]

00:44:13   don't recall exactly what it was maybe I [TS]

00:44:14   was just seeing if what the status was [TS]

00:44:16   because this is all new to me and I'm [TS]

00:44:17   trying to figure out okay how long does [TS]

00:44:19   it take to get on the cell radio and [TS]

00:44:20   when does it fall off the cell radio etc [TS]

00:44:22   etc I noticed as I ran past the house it [TS]

00:44:25   picked up my Wi-Fi but then it it tried [TS]

00:44:30   to cling to it longer than it really [TS]

00:44:32   should have which I don't really blame [TS]

00:44:35   the device because it's of course going [TS]

00:44:37   to try to power off the cell radio and [TS]

00:44:39   it's of course going to try to hang on [TS]

00:44:41   to the Wi-Fi because that radio is far [TS]

00:44:43   less you know power expensive to to keep [TS]

00:44:46   on but what ended up happening was for [TS]

00:44:49   the last you know I don't know three [TS]

00:44:51   hundred yards of my run I had no [TS]

00:44:53   connectivity because it was still trying [TS]

00:44:56   to find the Wi-Fi that I had already run [TS]

00:44:58   past and so that was kind of a bummer in [TS]

00:45:00   general though I don't have that problem [TS]

00:45:01   I leave the cell I leave the software [TS]

00:45:04   for the cell radio enabled and what I [TS]

00:45:07   mean by that is it can go on cellular [TS]

00:45:09   anytime it wants and I have not paid any [TS]

00:45:11   attention to like turning that off or [TS]

00:45:12   anything like that and 99% of the time [TS]

00:45:15   my phone is right there so it wouldn't [TS]

00:45:17   power the cell radio on anyway [TS]

00:45:19   but it's it's been maintenance-free in [TS]

00:45:22   that regard which is really nice and so [TS]

00:45:24   far I really really really liked it and [TS]

00:45:26   I'm glad that I have the cell service [TS]

00:45:29   for the runs and even more importantly [TS]

00:45:31   for when I'm out with Declan and I don't [TS]

00:45:33   want to be attracted to my phone this is [TS]

00:45:37   absolutely a first world problem it is [TS]

00:45:39   absolutely a Casey problem and that I [TS]

00:45:40   should just have the self-control not to [TS]

00:45:42   check Twitter every four seconds or [TS]

00:45:43   Instagram or what-have-you but I know [TS]

00:45:46   myself enough to know that I don't have [TS]

00:45:48   a tremendous overabundance of [TS]

00:45:49   self-control [TS]

00:45:50   and so removing this problem by removing [TS]

00:45:53   my phone from the equation is a pretty [TS]

00:45:55   good way to fix it and I almost put [TS]

00:45:57   Tweetbot on my watch for instances where [TS]

00:46:00   I'm say DMing with somebody or something [TS]

00:46:01   like that and it occurred to me by [TS]

00:46:03   putting Tweetbot on my watch i will be [TS]

00:46:04   defeating the purpose that I've set out [TS]

00:46:07   for my watch which is to say being able [TS]

00:46:09   to be distraction free another couple [TS]

00:46:12   things I've noticed once I upgraded to [TS]

00:46:13   High Sierra and I could use unlock with [TS]

00:46:15   my watch again because apparently [TS]

00:46:17   there's something that causes issues [TS]

00:46:19   with the cellular watch and in Sierra in [TS]

00:46:22   below so you have to be on some high [TS]

00:46:24   sierra for your cell you [TS]

00:46:25   watch to do watch unlock once I upgraded [TS]

00:46:27   two of my three computers to High Sierra [TS]

00:46:30   that has come back and that seems to be [TS]

00:46:32   faster than my series zero by generally [TS]

00:46:35   speaking a pretty comfortable margin [TS]

00:46:36   Apple pay is way faster in the last [TS]

00:46:38   couple of months that I had my series [TS]

00:46:40   zero I'd kind of abandoned using Apple [TS]

00:46:42   pay on the watch because it was just so [TS]

00:46:44   much slower than my phone and it is a [TS]

00:46:47   fair bit faster on the series three [TS]

00:46:49   which I really like all in all the [TS]

00:46:52   combination of the Apple watch series [TS]

00:46:54   three with LTE with air pods is pretty [TS]

00:46:58   darn fantastic the only things that I'm [TS]

00:47:01   really longing for are an update to [TS]

00:47:04   RunKeeper so it will take take a note of [TS]

00:47:07   the map of what of what I ran because if [TS]

00:47:09   you use the exercise app that's built [TS]

00:47:11   into the watch it will save a map to [TS]

00:47:13   your health app but RunKeeper hasn't [TS]

00:47:15   hasn't built in support for that API yet [TS]

00:47:17   which is a real bummer [TS]

00:47:18   and again I want podcasts on my watch [TS]

00:47:21   pretty please Apple please look at [TS]

00:47:23   Marco's post and give me podcasts on my [TS]

00:47:25   watch that's all I want please please [TS]

00:47:27   and a volume widget please for the love [TS]

00:47:29   of God no one cared about a volume [TS]

00:47:32   widget on the watch until air pods and [TS]

00:47:34   now because air pods don't have a good [TS]

00:47:36   way to control volume physically on them [TS]

00:47:38   everybody is demanding that with good [TS]

00:47:40   reason and yeah I can't I can't offer it [TS]

00:47:42   like there is no API for me to offer [TS]

00:47:44   them a volume widget for either phone or [TS]

00:47:46   watch audio levels and I just it kills [TS]

00:47:50   me yeah so those are my thoughts I [TS]

00:47:53   definitely recommend it I definitely [TS]

00:47:55   think it's good I definitely am glad I [TS]

00:47:58   spent the money on both it and the [TS]

00:47:59   cellular service on top I'm I'm giving [TS]

00:48:03   it two thumbs up so far really really [TS]

00:48:04   love this device yeah the only thing I [TS]

00:48:07   would add is like it seems like the like [TS]

00:48:10   what we're seeing with the cellular you [TS]

00:48:11   know holding on to Wi-Fi and everything [TS]

00:48:13   else you know this is clearly a device [TS]

00:48:15   that for power reasons has to use the [TS]

00:48:19   LTE as little as possible I would say [TS]

00:48:22   it's it's a good device to get you know [TS]

00:48:25   if you have like a specific use case in [TS]

00:48:27   mind like Casey at the park or running [TS]

00:48:29   without a phone like that makes a ton of [TS]

00:48:31   sense I would say don't assume this [TS]

00:48:34   device is just gonna be always happily [TS]

00:48:36   using its LTE the way like an iPad [TS]

00:48:38   it's it's going to minimize LTE so [TS]

00:48:41   aggressively that it's it's it's more [TS]

00:48:44   useful to think of the LTE thing as a [TS]

00:48:46   just in case I need it kind of thing [TS]

00:48:48   like if you're on a run and you don't [TS]

00:48:49   want to be without a way to make a phone [TS]

00:48:51   call in case of an emergency or you want [TS]

00:48:52   to be reachable by people you know it [TS]

00:48:55   makes sense for that but I wouldn't [TS]

00:48:57   necessarily say that it makes sense to [TS]

00:48:59   buy the LTE version with the assumption [TS]

00:49:02   that you'll be using it just like a tiny [TS]

00:49:03   phone because not only is it you know [TS]

00:49:05   very very conservative with when it uses [TS]

00:49:08   the LTE at all but also app why is the [TS]

00:49:11   apps are not really ready for that yet [TS]

00:49:12   they were there were good segments about [TS]

00:49:14   app readiness on other podcast this week [TS]

00:49:16   I know there was a great one on upgrade [TS]

00:49:17   especially and I think a little more [TS]

00:49:19   unconnected but basically yeah I was [TS]

00:49:22   connected but basically you know the [TS]

00:49:25   apps for Apple watch have been written [TS]

00:49:28   to date with the assumption that they [TS]

00:49:31   were using the phone and their [TS]

00:49:33   corresponding app on the phone for all [TS]

00:49:35   their communication and the watch really [TS]

00:49:38   couldn't do much until fairly recently [TS]

00:49:39   with its own communication and and until [TS]

00:49:42   like last week that was only on Wi-Fi [TS]

00:49:44   and because nobody really went with the [TS]

00:49:46   watch without their phone and did much [TS]

00:49:48   with it there wasn't much reason to [TS]

00:49:49   really write the apps for that so Apple [TS]

00:49:52   watch third-party apps still have a [TS]

00:49:54   anything first party apps frankly still [TS]

00:49:55   have a long way to go before they can [TS]

00:49:58   really make good use of independent [TS]

00:50:01   connectivity on the watch and the [TS]

00:50:03   hardware probably needs a couple more [TS]

00:50:04   generations before it's really able to [TS]

00:50:06   use the LTE radio more than occasionally [TS]

00:50:08   anyway so buy it if you want to be [TS]

00:50:12   reachable and to have a lifeline you [TS]

00:50:14   know they like that kind of that kind of [TS]

00:50:15   use when you are out without a phone but [TS]

00:50:18   I wouldn't necessarily say buy it just [TS]

00:50:20   for like entertainment to go phoneless [TS]

00:50:22   like Casey at the park because that's [TS]

00:50:24   not ultimately what it's for and it's [TS]

00:50:27   not worth optimized to do I would agree [TS]

00:50:28   with that [TS]

00:50:29   also you can bring your phone to the [TS]

00:50:31   park man like kids at the park like yeah [TS]

00:50:33   we love our kids but like they're there [TS]

00:50:34   a lot it's it's okay to bring your phone [TS]

00:50:36   look Instagram while they're like [TS]

00:50:38   climbing the monkey bars and everything [TS]

00:50:40   when you aren't like when they're not [TS]

00:50:41   interacting with you when they're guys [TS]

00:50:42   running around you can you can look at [TS]

00:50:44   your phone it's okay I give you [TS]

00:50:45   permission to do it let me you look up [TS]

00:50:46   and they're gone you don't have to blame [TS]

00:50:47   your something yeah yeah I know [TS]

00:50:52   I think part of the problem is that you [TS]

00:50:53   know the this particular Park it's just [TS]

00:50:55   in the neighborhood so it's usual that [TS]

00:50:56   it's only Declan and I that are there [TS]

00:50:58   and beyond that he's still in the phase [TS]

00:51:00   where everything is Daddy this are [TS]

00:51:02   really mommy this and then if mommy [TS]

00:51:04   isn't there daddy this and so you know [TS]

00:51:07   it's it's it's better if I am not [TS]

00:51:10   distracted by something else and better [TS]

00:51:12   if I'm paying more attention to him [TS]

00:51:13   actually a Hamilton or and the chat [TS]

00:51:15   points out a very good thing bring your [TS]

00:51:17   phone to take pictures like you know as [TS]

00:51:19   as people are realizing they can now go [TS]

00:51:21   out into the world with just their watch [TS]

00:51:23   many of them I've seen are also [TS]

00:51:25   realizing oh crap I don't have a camera [TS]

00:51:27   when I do that and I'm used to always [TS]

00:51:29   having a camera yeah the thing is [TS]

00:51:31   actually Mike and I talked about this [TS]

00:51:33   very briefly on the forthcoming episode [TS]

00:51:35   of analog but uh if I'm was going to [TS]

00:51:38   bring a camera to the park I would [TS]

00:51:40   probably bring the big camera because I [TS]

00:51:42   I think the pictures are much much much [TS]

00:51:45   better coming off of that now once I get [TS]

00:51:48   my fancy iPhone ten in 2020 when it's [TS]

00:51:50   finally available then that might change [TS]

00:51:52   when I have my fancy you know a two lens [TS]

00:51:55   camera system but for now I would be [TS]

00:51:57   more apt to bring watch and big camera [TS]

00:52:01   than I would be watching phone that's [TS]

00:52:04   actually a reasonable plan I like that [TS]

00:52:05   yeah but I mean obviously this is kind [TS]

00:52:08   of a unique to casing use case and that [TS]

00:52:09   may not be the case for everyone else [TS]

00:52:10   but I would agree with with what you [TS]

00:52:13   said a minute ago like if you have if [TS]

00:52:15   you the listener have a particular set [TS]

00:52:17   of times that you think this would be [TS]

00:52:19   useful to you for example exercise [TS]

00:52:21   particularly in a situation where you [TS]

00:52:25   don't have access to Wi-Fi or anything [TS]

00:52:27   else so often but not always outdoor [TS]

00:52:29   exercise or if you just are like me and [TS]

00:52:32   don't have very good self control then I [TS]

00:52:35   think having a watch with LTE makes [TS]

00:52:37   sense and certainly one of the nice [TS]

00:52:38   things is if you wanted to just see what [TS]

00:52:41   you thought you could get a watch with [TS]

00:52:43   LTE and just choose not to enable it so [TS]

00:52:45   yes it's it's I think 70 extra dollars [TS]

00:52:47   up front but you don't have to incur [TS]

00:52:49   that monthly fee until you you feel like [TS]

00:52:51   you might want it but if you don't [TS]

00:52:55   really have a particular use like that [TS]

00:52:57   in mind I agree with Marco that it may [TS]

00:53:00   not really be worth the money [TS]

00:53:02   what do you think of the red dot now [TS]

00:53:05   that you have it uh I wish the red dot [TS]

00:53:09   wasn't there [TS]

00:53:09   agreed I have yet to see any model [TS]

00:53:13   except the white ceramic where I think [TS]

00:53:15   it looks good [TS]

00:53:16   I think it looks ok or passable on the [TS]

00:53:19   steel ones and maybe ok on the gold [TS]

00:53:22   aluminum one but that's about the best I [TS]

00:53:27   can say about it yeah fair enough [TS]

00:53:29   I think I feel the same way I I wish it [TS]

00:53:32   wasn't there I wish I had an option to [TS]

00:53:34   not have it there I like if always watch [TS]

00:53:38   dots yeah I know but I don't I don't [TS]

00:53:41   trust myself to apply it in such a way [TS]

00:53:44   that it won't look like garbage the [TS]

00:53:45   watch thought that yeah yeah yeah that's [TS]

00:53:48   yeah if I could I do believe if I could [TS]

00:53:52   pay a little bit of extra money to have [TS]

00:53:56   a version without the dot I probably [TS]

00:53:58   would have find somebody who paints [TS]

00:54:01   miniatures and yeah there was some [TS]

00:54:03   enamel in there you'll never notice [TS]

00:54:06   it'll be practically perfect yeah [TS]

00:54:08   something like that I don't know but [TS]

00:54:10   overall i am i was expecting to like the [TS]

00:54:12   watch you know i am a pretty big fan of [TS]

00:54:15   the apple watch as a platform and I was [TS]

00:54:17   expecting to like this new one you know [TS]

00:54:19   a fair bit and it turns out I really [TS]

00:54:22   like this new watch a lot so it is a [TS]

00:54:24   very worthwhile upgrade the sell like we [TS]

00:54:27   just discussed yeah maybe maybe not for [TS]

00:54:29   me absolutely Marco I suspect if and [TS]

00:54:33   when you get overcast working and if and [TS]

00:54:36   when you decide to ditch your phone for [TS]

00:54:37   bike rides I think you'll be more [TS]

00:54:38   enthusiastic about the the cellular [TS]

00:54:40   radio but but in general I can see that [TS]

00:54:43   when going either way but yeah I [TS]

00:54:45   definitely say this is a worthwhile [TS]

00:54:47   upgrade I'm SuperDuper happy with my [TS]

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00:55:30   sites look so good I mean they look good [TS]

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00:55:54   bugging me and then when you need help [TS]

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00:55:57   don't have to bug me for help either [TS]

00:55:58   it's just wonderful whether you're [TS]

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00:56:37   me about high sierra and tell me i have [TS]

00:56:39   upgraded my macbook adorable i have [TS]

00:56:41   upgraded my work computer am I allowed [TS]

00:56:44   to upgrade my iMac that I'm recording on [TS]

00:56:45   as we speak not to say that I'm going to [TS]

00:56:48   upgrade as we're recording of course but [TS]

00:56:50   am I allowed to upgrade my iMac John [TS]

00:56:52   what's the deal you do what you want [TS]

00:56:55   sir iMac all right so what is the [TS]

00:56:59   official John siracusa review of Mac OS [TS]

00:57:02   high sierra view is i still haven't used [TS]

00:57:05   it my jaw literally never used it [TS]

00:57:10   because i didn't install any of the [TS]

00:57:11   betas and i don't have it anyway max now [TS]

00:57:14   why don't I have it in a max well [TS]

00:57:15   obviously the Mac Pro that I'm talking [TS]

00:57:17   to right now can't run it I never did do [TS]

00:57:19   the whatever you know firmware upgrade [TS]

00:57:22   trickery to make it run Sierra and [TS]

00:57:23   therefore also run high sierra i [TS]

00:57:25   probably never will so that's that my [TS]

00:57:29   work computer we are [TS]

00:57:30   allowed to install it at work yet [TS]

00:57:31   because of some Active Directory bugs [TS]

00:57:33   that are supposedly fixed in the 10:13 [TS]

00:57:35   one beta but right now if you try to [TS]

00:57:38   install it one of our works incredibly [TS]

00:57:40   invasive please that don't let me know [TS]

00:57:43   how this actually works [TS]

00:57:44   hacker key things is when you [TS]

00:57:46   double-click the is Sierra installer a [TS]

00:57:48   dialog pops up with a message written by [TS]

00:57:50   our corporate IT that says you can't [TS]

00:57:52   install it I'm hoping that didn't patch [TS]

00:57:54   the binary of the installer but whatever [TS]

00:57:56   mechanism they have to intercept the [TS]

00:57:57   launch of a particular application and [TS]

00:57:59   throw up an arbitrary message in a [TS]

00:58:01   dialog got anyone know so anyway I can't [TS]

00:58:04   upgrade the work one that would be the [TS]

00:58:05   one I would you would be most likely to [TS]

00:58:07   upgrade because I would have some faith [TS]

00:58:09   that the IT team that I was just [TS]

00:58:11   complaining about had tested it and made [TS]

00:58:12   sure our stuff works on it and it's like [TS]

00:58:14   practically brand-new like it's all [TS]

00:58:15   fresh and like I haven't done anything [TS]

00:58:17   weird do it so if any computer is gonna [TS]

00:58:19   work ok with it it's gonna be that one [TS]

00:58:21   and then finally my wife's computer [TS]

00:58:22   which I thought it was an upgrade in day [TS]

00:58:24   one I found myself with cold feet not so [TS]

00:58:28   much about a PFS although there are some [TS]

00:58:31   issues with that like super duper that I [TS]

00:58:33   used to go in just now has like a beta [TS]

00:58:34   support for cloning from it but really [TS]

00:58:37   I'm getting cold feet about the point [TS]

00:58:39   zero and in a way I didn't with Sierra I [TS]

00:58:42   just I don't know I think maybe it's a [TS]

00:58:44   combination like just the point zero is [TS]

00:58:46   not enough to scare me away and just a [TS]

00:58:48   PFS is not enough to scare me both of [TS]

00:58:50   them I'm hedging so I've downloaded the [TS]

00:58:52   Installer and I've done like a fresh [TS]

00:58:54   round of backups and clones and made [TS]

00:58:56   sure all of my backups are good and you [TS]

00:58:57   know I've done all this stuff I'm [TS]

00:58:58   already to install but I thought I would [TS]

00:59:00   pull the trigger and it's just like I'm [TS]

00:59:02   I'm not pulling the trigger and mostly [TS]

00:59:04   what I would be upgrading for is the new [TS]

00:59:06   version of photos not for a PFS was [TS]

00:59:08   obviously I like that I wanted and I'll [TS]

00:59:09   get it eventually but I wanted to try [TS]

00:59:11   the new version of photos but that has [TS]

00:59:13   me a little bit scared too so I may turn [TS]

00:59:15   out that I just wait for the point one [TS]

00:59:17   especially if the point one is due out [TS]

00:59:19   soon but right now I've been too much of [TS]

00:59:22   a wimp [TS]

00:59:22   it's a try it so I'm just I'm just in a [TS]

00:59:24   holding pattern waiting to see other [TS]

00:59:27   things I let other people go first and [TS]

00:59:29   see what kind of disasters befall them [TS]

00:59:30   and this is kind of weird for me because [TS]

00:59:32   I upgrade it almost all the other ones I [TS]

00:59:33   always upgrade in my wife's computer [TS]

00:59:34   like as soon as it comes out just you [TS]

00:59:36   know why not everything's fine but this [TS]

00:59:38   time I don't know it's just me I don't [TS]

00:59:40   think there's anything particularly high [TS]

00:59:41   Sierra is again I haven't you [TS]

00:59:43   the beta so I have nothing to base my [TS]

00:59:44   fears on but I think the combo of AP FS [TS]

00:59:48   and the point zero is keeping me away I [TS]

00:59:51   am surprised by that me too so Marco [TS]

00:59:53   have you upgraded anything yet Marco [TS]

00:59:55   only my laptop I I would like to upgrade [TS]

00:59:59   my desk [TS]

00:59:59   my desk [TS]

01:00:00   pop mostly for the media format support [TS]

01:00:02   but I really that's pretty much the only [TS]

01:00:05   thing that is really compelling for me [TS]

01:00:07   right now and and the thing is like you [TS]

01:00:10   know I've really been burned a lot it by [TS]

01:00:12   the last few Mac OS releases you know it [TS]

01:00:14   like ever since like the discovery de [TS]

01:00:15   fiasco pretty much every almost every [TS]

01:00:19   major version of Mac OS in the last few [TS]

01:00:21   years has broken some sub system that I [TS]

01:00:24   rely on for a little while you know [TS]

01:00:26   sometimes for the entire release cycle [TS]

01:00:28   like I'm I'm pretty sure Sierra still [TS]

01:00:31   messes up bluetooth input devices like I [TS]

01:00:34   still think blue is messed up in Sierra [TS]

01:00:36   and and you know some people have [TS]

01:00:39   reporter reporting USB audio bugs [TS]

01:00:42   earlier on and Sierra's lifecycle and [TS]

01:00:44   stuff and like you know this is my work [TS]

01:00:45   machine III I can't afford downtime of [TS]

01:00:48   my Mac of my main Mac here I do my [TS]

01:00:51   entire job here the idea of taking a [TS]

01:00:54   risk on High Sierra in you know early on [TS]

01:00:58   in its lifecycle with you know with [TS]

01:01:00   Sierra like I kind of know it's kind [TS]

01:01:02   like the devil you know it's like I know [TS]

01:01:03   Sierra is buggy with Bluetooth pointing [TS]

01:01:06   devices so it's like I'm used to my [TS]

01:01:08   mouse and trackpad just occasionally [TS]

01:01:09   just disconnecting for no reason and [TS]

01:01:11   then reconnecting like I've gotten used [TS]

01:01:13   to that now you know with High Sierra I [TS]

01:01:16   don't know what this year's discovery D [TS]

01:01:17   is yet you know I've heard lots of [TS]

01:01:19   reports that it's that it's the Windows [TS]

01:01:20   Server rewrite yeah and and I don't know [TS]

01:01:23   it like when I ask people on Twitter [TS]

01:01:25   like hey you know what is is High Sierra [TS]

01:01:27   okay or not what if it been your [TS]

01:01:28   experiences the the responses were [TS]

01:01:31   pretty evenly split between it's totally [TS]

01:01:34   perfect I've had no problems and oh my [TS]

01:01:36   god it's been a disaster for mostly for [TS]

01:01:38   the Windows Server things so I assume [TS]

01:01:41   that it mostly works if you're doing [TS]

01:01:44   things the way Apple want you to do but [TS]

01:01:46   if you have some kind of you know [TS]

01:01:47   workflow or or setup that is that puts a [TS]

01:01:51   strain on edge cases the Windows Server [TS]

01:01:53   so for instance if you are frequently [TS]

01:01:56   connecting or disconnecting monitors or [TS]

01:01:58   using clamshell mode maybe like I like [TS]

01:02:00   that kind of thing I bet it's probably [TS]

01:02:02   more likely to have bugs related to the [TS]

01:02:04   Windows Server stuff then or if you have [TS]

01:02:06   a particular GPU like some particular [TS]

01:02:09   NVIDIA GPU Steve trout and Smith have [TS]

01:02:11   some computer with some [TS]

01:02:13   Euler GPU that just kernel panics like [TS]

01:02:15   based on a clock like so and thirty [TS]

01:02:18   minutes in the kernel panics like that's [TS]

01:02:20   the thing about a lot of these graphics [TS]

01:02:22   subsystem things in the window server [TS]

01:02:23   that deal with GPU drivers it could be [TS]

01:02:26   perfectly fine for you because your GPU [TS]

01:02:27   driver has no problems and for someone [TS]

01:02:30   else it doesn't matter how lightly or [TS]

01:02:32   heavily you use it if you're just [TS]

01:02:33   connecting or turning them on it's just [TS]

01:02:34   that your GPU the driver for it has some [TS]

01:02:36   bug that gets tripped on average after [TS]

01:02:38   every 30 minutes so I've heard that as [TS]

01:02:41   well and I don't know if that's making [TS]

01:02:43   me where because I assume I don't have [TS]

01:02:45   one of those weird GPUs but who knows [TS]

01:02:46   you know that kind of thing like I I'm [TS]

01:02:49   just not willing to take the risk on my [TS]

01:02:51   main computer when there are still [TS]

01:02:53   widespread reports of problems of that [TS]

01:02:55   magnitude the advantages of high sierra [TS]

01:02:58   are just not very compelling for me to [TS]

01:03:00   take that risk right now over time that [TS]

01:03:03   calculus will change you know over time [TS]

01:03:05   it will it will start to become more [TS]

01:03:06   annoying that i don't have the latest [TS]

01:03:08   version cuz like lots of things around [TS]

01:03:09   the Apple ecosystem these days will [TS]

01:03:11   assume that you have a latest version [TS]

01:03:12   will only work correctly or fully with [TS]

01:03:14   lives version especially with you know [TS]

01:03:16   features that are shared between iOS and [TS]

01:03:17   the Mac things like you know like [TS]

01:03:19   continuity and handoff even simple [TS]

01:03:20   things like notes notes has new features [TS]

01:03:22   now the h gb c and h and and heap stuff [TS]

01:03:25   like that's gonna become more annoying [TS]

01:03:27   over time as my photos app can't edit [TS]

01:03:29   the phones that are in it things like [TS]

01:03:31   that like that's gonna eventually push [TS]

01:03:33   me over probably within the next few [TS]

01:03:34   weeks [TS]

01:03:35   like i'm I'm probably gonna install the [TS]

01:03:37   point one and hope that it fixes [TS]

01:03:38   everything if not the point two but [TS]

01:03:41   basically right now why should I install [TS]

01:03:43   it like there's no there's but there's [TS]

01:03:44   not much reason to install it and [TS]

01:03:46   there's just a lot of potential for [TS]

01:03:48   there still be pretty serious problems [TS]

01:03:51   with it that I just don't need to be the [TS]

01:03:53   one to fix you don't like what I'm blur [TS]

01:03:55   one of my rules was that you know when I [TS]

01:03:59   was choosing software or infrastructure [TS]

01:04:03   that we were going to build upon one of [TS]

01:04:05   my rules was to never be the biggest [TS]

01:04:07   user of anything you know you want to [TS]

01:04:09   use stuff that like Facebook uses or [TS]

01:04:11   Twitter uses because you know like if [TS]

01:04:13   there's any kind of bug at scale they [TS]

01:04:16   will have already hit it and probably [TS]

01:04:18   will have submitted and fixed you know [TS]

01:04:20   fixes for it it'll be fixed by them long [TS]

01:04:23   before it's ever a problem for you and [TS]

01:04:25   similarly with with like Mac OS [TS]

01:04:27   it's like why why install the point zero [TS]

01:04:29   why not let the entire rest of the world [TS]

01:04:31   use it first report all the bugs get [TS]

01:04:34   Apple to fix them and then install the [TS]

01:04:36   point one of the point two like there's [TS]

01:04:38   it's it's selfish like you should as [TS]

01:04:40   like a social good try to contribute [TS]

01:04:42   with everybody but no screw that and in [TS]

01:04:44   my computer to work and so I'll let [TS]

01:04:45   everyone else do that and I'll sit back [TS]

01:04:47   and collect the fixes speaking of a [TS]

01:04:50   computer reliability my shiny new Space [TS]

01:04:53   Gray 2017 MacBook Pro it's already [TS]

01:04:56   proven to not be as reliable as my [TS]

01:04:59   outgoing eight year old 2009 Mac Pro at [TS]

01:05:03   work because I've had it for what like [TS]

01:05:05   two weeks now or something and I came in [TS]

01:05:07   one day this week and it was just off [TS]

01:05:10   and I booted up and sure enough it had [TS]

01:05:12   kernel panicked in the middle of the [TS]

01:05:13   night at Korea it was just sitting there [TS]

01:05:16   nobody's using it who knows what was [TS]

01:05:18   going on I didn't get anything good I [TS]

01:05:19   did do the send you know send report to [TS]

01:05:22   Apple I looked at the thing I couldn't [TS]

01:05:23   make heads or tails of it like it didn't [TS]

01:05:25   nothing obvious jumped it didn't even [TS]

01:05:26   look like a full crash report whatever [TS]

01:05:28   had saved in NVRAM it was like just [TS]

01:05:30   information about my system but didn't [TS]

01:05:32   tell me about what it crash to show me [TS]

01:05:33   any symbols or anything like that I'm [TS]

01:05:35   like you you know if it wants to match [TS]

01:05:38   my 2009 Mac Pro's performance it needs [TS]

01:05:42   to not kernel panic again for another 7 [TS]

01:05:44   years because it did kernel panic a [TS]

01:05:50   couple of times when they first [TS]

01:05:51   installed the terrible antivirus [TS]

01:05:53   software they were forcing us all to use [TS]

01:05:54   because it apparently had an [TS]

01:05:56   incompatibility with like Zeon's or [TS]

01:05:58   something I was that was it was a story [TS]

01:06:00   like oh you're the only computer in the [TS]

01:06:02   entire company with a xiana and the nd [TS]

01:06:03   the antivirus software kernel panics [TS]

01:06:06   reliably kernel panics Zeon's and we [TS]

01:06:09   changed your different antivirus thing [TS]

01:06:11   and so that solved that problem so those [TS]

01:06:13   are the only panics I had those were [TS]

01:06:14   explicable and I could tell what was [TS]

01:06:15   doing it I said did we have any other [TS]

01:06:19   kernel packs in that one maybe when I [TS]

01:06:21   gave away gave away when I when I [TS]

01:06:23   returned my 2000 iMac for our work I [TS]

01:06:25   also like returned you know all the [TS]

01:06:28   stuff that came with it and you know it [TS]

01:06:29   came with it Snow Leopard on a plastic [TS]

01:06:32   disc nice that's a computer so into a B [TS]

01:06:36   I had some crumpets back but like but in [TS]

01:06:38   general it's just I don't it's not a [TS]

01:06:39   thing that I expect [TS]

01:06:40   to happen like it just and so within the [TS]

01:06:43   first few weeks of and this remember [TS]

01:06:44   this is running Sierra not High Sierra [TS]

01:06:46   but like ten twelve six the latest [TS]

01:06:47   version of Sierra not not often I [TS]

01:06:51   especially start oh well at least the [TS]

01:06:53   boots fast I mean the thing to remember [TS]

01:06:55   too is like you know these Mac OS [TS]

01:06:58   releases on a schedule not one it's done [TS]

01:07:01   Apple is you know Apple usually ships [TS]

01:07:03   high quality stuff you know like we [TS]

01:07:04   complain but like the their track record [TS]

01:07:07   is pretty good but there's also a [TS]

01:07:08   hierarchy like you could be pretty sure [TS]

01:07:10   that when a new iPhone comes out that's [TS]

01:07:12   usually pretty solid because they care a [TS]

01:07:14   lot about that and they work really hard [TS]

01:07:16   on that to make that rock-solid but [TS]

01:07:20   everything else but beneath the iPhone [TS]

01:07:22   gets less and less reliable in that way [TS]

01:07:26   like you can't be sure that a lower [TS]

01:07:29   priority release is going to be as solid [TS]

01:07:31   as iPhone Hardware because like [TS]

01:07:34   everything else has it has to basically [TS]

01:07:36   ship on a schedule whenever it's ready [TS]

01:07:38   and again usually that works out ok but [TS]

01:07:43   like they were gonna ship High Sierra [TS]

01:07:45   when they did regardless of whether it [TS]

01:07:47   was done so we got it and it's probably [TS]

01:07:52   close to done there probably aren't a [TS]

01:07:54   lot of bugs but that was shipping a [TS]

01:07:57   schedule not after hitting a certain [TS]

01:07:59   quality threshold so it's right that [TS]

01:08:02   they do do it on a schedule but they [TS]

01:08:04   control scope like even on iOS they do [TS]

01:08:06   they control scope so they have to [TS]

01:08:07   either you give it can can change the [TS]

01:08:09   schedule by saying we're gonna push this [TS]

01:08:11   out or you can narrow the scope so you [TS]

01:08:13   can ship what is shippable and they did [TS]

01:08:14   it in iOS 2 they didn't ship that one [TS]

01:08:16   feature had the most which is the [TS]

01:08:17   iMessage syncing that fell out of the [TS]

01:08:20   release right because you're right they [TS]

01:08:22   are shipping on a schedule look we got a [TS]

01:08:23   ship this because we gotta sell some [TS]

01:08:25   phones here and we got a ship iOS 11 and [TS]

01:08:27   whatever was like a month before that [TS]

01:08:29   fell out because it's like this is not [TS]

01:08:31   gonna be ready in high sierra a PFS on [TS]

01:08:35   fusion drives and automatically [TS]

01:08:36   converting spinning discs all fell out [TS]

01:08:38   of it and the fusion drives coming back [TS]

01:08:40   right so that's what they're trying to [TS]

01:08:41   do is say we do want to ship on a [TS]

01:08:43   schedule but we want to ship quality [TS]

01:08:45   software so we have to make a call at a [TS]

01:08:47   certain point you're not going to be [TS]

01:08:49   ready in time for the schedule so guess [TS]

01:08:50   what feature you get booted out of the [TS]

01:08:52   OS and that's that's easy too [TS]

01:08:54   do in theory but in practice pulling [TS]

01:08:57   features out is not a harm free process [TS]

01:09:00   you are left with a code base that is [TS]

01:09:03   different than it was before that may [TS]

01:09:05   have new interactions that you didn't [TS]

01:09:06   anticipate and so you know you have to [TS]

01:09:08   test that new combination of stuff and [TS]

01:09:10   so it is difficult and I see what I was [TS]

01:09:12   trying to do and in general that's how [TS]

01:09:14   modern software development works you [TS]

01:09:16   usually they you want to have a [TS]

01:09:19   reasonably fixed schedule especially for [TS]

01:09:21   something that's like a marketing type [TS]

01:09:22   thing where every year you want to have [TS]

01:09:23   a new version of iOS or whatever and you [TS]

01:09:25   just control scope and there's easier [TS]

01:09:28   said than done and that's what I was [TS]

01:09:29   trying to do but as you said Margo and [TS]

01:09:31   you know even though they're doing the [TS]

01:09:32   same strategy and both os's [TS]

01:09:35   the Big Show is iOS and then everything [TS]

01:09:38   else in the company gets slightly less [TS]

01:09:39   of everything slightly less their time [TS]

01:09:42   money people everything about it is less [TS]

01:09:45   how much is it less is it marginally [TS]

01:09:47   less you don't you know it has fewer [TS]

01:09:50   users right it is also a more mature [TS]

01:09:52   product but it is also a product that [TS]

01:09:56   makes less money and like so I don't [TS]

01:09:57   know Mac users have been feeling [TS]

01:09:59   neglected for a while because iOS is [TS]

01:10:00   gets all the glory and stuff like that [TS]

01:10:02   but uh in theory there's a lot of [TS]

01:10:05   articles there was a good one Steven [TS]

01:10:06   Hackett had two articles about this [TS]

01:10:07   about uh high sierra being like Snow [TS]

01:10:09   Leopard right but Snow Leopard was back [TS]

01:10:12   in the days when Mac os10 was still [TS]

01:10:16   pretty firmly in maybe not in the glory [TS]

01:10:22   position right and it was an important [TS]

01:10:24   product was a very important product [TS]

01:10:26   Apple so when they did the no new [TS]

01:10:27   features release a that was a lie and B [TS]

01:10:31   they kind of makes it a little bit more [TS]

01:10:33   I mean grants out of dispatch was [TS]

01:10:35   released and Snow Leopard if I recall [TS]

01:10:37   correctly is that's pretty pretty big [TS]

01:10:38   feature to say no new features but these [TS]

01:10:44   days it does feel like like if this is [TS]

01:10:47   supposed to be a Snow Leopard doesn't [TS]

01:10:48   feel very snow up or it doesn't feel [TS]

01:10:49   like they took Sierra and just polished [TS]

01:10:51   it because you said Marco Sierra still [TS]

01:10:52   has some rough edges that just seemed to [TS]

01:10:54   have never been resolved and now you're [TS]

01:10:56   adding more stuff and it's not just like [TS]

01:10:58   taking Sierra and making it more [TS]

01:11:00   reliable and faster yeah I don't know [TS]

01:11:02   like I don't like I said I haven't [TS]

01:11:05   installed that I just that's my spidey [TS]

01:11:07   sense [TS]

01:11:09   Wow great I mean III have like I said [TS]

01:11:14   put this on the adorable in my work [TS]

01:11:16   computer and so far the only thing that [TS]

01:11:19   I've really noticed is that I can now [TS]

01:11:21   use my unlock with my cellular Apple [TS]

01:11:24   watch again like I discussed earlier [TS]

01:11:25   like otherwise it doesn't really seem [TS]

01:11:28   any different to me and in fact it seems [TS]

01:11:30   so similar to me that I intend to go [TS]

01:11:33   through Stephens review not only because [TS]

01:11:36   I want to read it in general but to tell [TS]

01:11:39   me what it is that's different because [TS]

01:11:40   it seems like a lot of the big [TS]

01:11:41   differences are Safari which I had [TS]

01:11:44   previously put on my Sierra builds and [TS]

01:11:46   photos which I don't use so once you [TS]

01:11:49   take those away it's kind of like yeah [TS]

01:11:52   I'm sure there's other good stuff there [TS]

01:11:54   but yeah whatever well and I and I hope [TS]

01:11:56   that like you like I mentioned Housley [TS]

01:11:58   Sierra still has these bluetooth issues [TS]

01:12:00   that don't seem to be fixed with High [TS]

01:12:02   Sierra have they fixed them or did they [TS]

01:12:04   just move on and now they break and [TS]

01:12:06   other things I hope I don't know I hope [TS]

01:12:08   they fix them but you never know what [TS]

01:12:10   these kind of releases that's one of the [TS]

01:12:11   reasons why I haven't sold yet but like [TS]

01:12:12   you know what you said in case you like [TS]

01:12:14   you that you could barely even really [TS]

01:12:16   tell that you had upgraded that's you [TS]

01:12:18   know for for a release like this where [TS]

01:12:20   you know they really weren't user facing [TS]

01:12:22   changes that's what you want that that [TS]

01:12:24   is the ideal case yeah yeah now we'll [TS]

01:12:26   see I mean you know your your track [TS]

01:12:28   record of reporting problems to us with [TS]

01:12:29   your computer is pretty poor like you [TS]

01:12:31   might tell us in six months oh yeah by [TS]

01:12:33   the way ten rebooting everyday at noon [TS]

01:12:34   and I don't know why like hey that's a [TS]

01:12:36   problem yeah it's just been fine I [TS]

01:12:38   haven't wanted to take it in like but [TS]

01:12:41   but you know like I hope when I install [TS]

01:12:44   it I don't notice and that maybe my [TS]

01:12:46   trackpad a mouse stay connected like [TS]

01:12:48   that's that's what I want to have in [TS]

01:12:50   there I don't want any excitement there [TS]

01:12:53   because and like and there's a lot about [TS]

01:12:55   Mac OS that I hope Apple is working on [TS]

01:12:58   and I hope they do improve long term [TS]

01:13:00   like Stephens review had this great [TS]

01:13:02   paragraph towards the end that basically [TS]

01:13:05   was listing like a whole bunch of areas [TS]

01:13:07   in Mac OS that are still big problems [TS]

01:13:09   and could really use improvements big [TS]

01:13:11   and small if you think Mac OS is done [TS]

01:13:14   and that it's perfected and that there's [TS]

01:13:17   nothing more to do you aren't thinking [TS]

01:13:19   about the problem enough the him Mac [TS]

01:13:21   still has tons of places it can go and [TS]

01:13:26   could use lots of improvements big and [TS]

01:13:28   small right now it looks like apples not [TS]

01:13:30   really doing much of that I hope that's [TS]

01:13:33   just because we're like in the you know [TS]

01:13:35   middle stages of those efforts and [TS]

01:13:37   there's nothing to show yet because [TS]

01:13:38   there's still tons of things to make [TS]

01:13:41   Mac's awesome and to make them better [TS]

01:13:43   and to modernize them that appear to not [TS]

01:13:45   be happening so again I hope they really [TS]

01:13:48   are happening and they're just not ready [TS]

01:13:49   yet and and I think what we've seen from [TS]

01:13:53   Apple in the last few years is it does [TS]

01:13:55   seem like there was a period a few years [TS]

01:13:58   ago where they really were not working [TS]

01:13:59   on the Mac much at all but it also seems [TS]

01:14:01   like a few years ago they they kind of [TS]

01:14:03   had a change of heart on that front and [TS]

01:14:05   that they began reinvesting a lot in the [TS]

01:14:09   Mac again and that resulted in things [TS]

01:14:11   like the touch bar and things like that [TS]

01:14:13   I hope that that's that progress [TS]

01:14:17   continues even though I haven't [TS]

01:14:19   personally enjoyed the touch bar I [TS]

01:14:21   honestly think it was a pretty big miss [TS]

01:14:22   and I think the the lack of any touch [TS]

01:14:27   bar changes in High Sierra might [TS]

01:14:29   indicate that Apple realizes that - I [TS]

01:14:31   don't know but the fact that they're [TS]

01:14:34   investing in the Mac is really really [TS]

01:14:35   good I hope they continue to invest not [TS]

01:14:37   just in you know cool Hardware tricks [TS]

01:14:40   like the touch bar but also in [TS]

01:14:42   fundamentally moving the software [TS]

01:14:45   forward with High Sierra they laid some [TS]

01:14:47   new groundwork with the Windows Server I [TS]

01:14:49   hope that was a big deal for moving [TS]

01:14:51   everything forward I hope it succeeds [TS]

01:14:53   and I hope they maintain it properly to [TS]

01:14:55   iron out the bugs and and to fix all [TS]

01:14:57   these subsystems that might have been [TS]

01:14:58   broken and move the platform forward we [TS]

01:15:01   haven't seen that yet but I hope that's [TS]

01:15:03   in progress yeah agreed [TS]

01:15:05   thanks to our three sponsors this week [TS]

01:15:07   Squarespace Backblaze and jamp now and [TS]

01:15:11   we will see you next week [TS]

01:15:14   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:15:18   mean to begin because it was accidental [TS]

01:15:22   oh it was accidental [TS]

01:15:26   Johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [TS]

01:15:29   let him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

01:15:34   accidental you can find the show notes [TS]

01:15:38   at a CAS e yl is s so that's Casey list [TS]

01:15:51   and a are Co AR m and T Marco Arment SI [TS]

01:15:58   r AC Syracuse [TS]

01:16:14   so uh you know how there was a time when [TS]

01:16:18   Marco really enjoyed adding just kind of [TS]

01:16:21   random things to his Twitter bio and and [TS]

01:16:24   you know he would be coffee enthusiast [TS]

01:16:26   and then he would be analyst and then [TS]

01:16:28   there were a couple other ones after [TS]

01:16:30   that I don't remember that elephant in [TS]

01:16:33   the room that was my favorite one yeah I [TS]

01:16:35   remember that but there wasn't adding [TS]

01:16:37   things that was that was one thing right [TS]

01:16:40   changing things in the bio the point is [TS]

01:16:43   that I am now changing my Twitter bio to [TS]

01:16:46   car journalist the reason being for the [TS]

01:16:49   last week I have had a loaner car from [TS]

01:16:54   Fiat Chrysler of America really that [TS]

01:16:57   loaner car is not what I hoped it would [TS]

01:17:01   be [TS]

01:17:01   it's not the thing that I was promised [TS]

01:17:05   and I will explain friend of the show [TS]

01:17:08   Sam at Boyle Smid who we discussed [TS]

01:17:10   earlier of the wheel bearings podcast [TS]

01:17:11   which you should listen to if and I've [TS]

01:17:13   mentioned this a few times then past but [TS]

01:17:14   if you ever wanted neutral but by [TS]

01:17:15   someone who doesn't who actually knows [TS]

01:17:18   what they're talking about I'm like us [TS]

01:17:19   three idiots you would like wheel [TS]

01:17:20   bearings um anyway Sam wrote me I want [TS]

01:17:25   to say it was in May or June and said [TS]

01:17:27   hey if you wanted to if you wanted to [TS]

01:17:30   take a spin with that car and I'm not [TS]

01:17:33   going to tell you which car it is I [TS]

01:17:35   could probably arrange that and you and [TS]

01:17:39   I think I told this tale of woe already [TS]

01:17:40   once in June I was told you it was I [TS]

01:17:43   think the week after WTC we will give [TS]

01:17:44   you this car as a loaner and then right [TS]

01:17:48   before it was my turn then the tire [TS]

01:17:50   exploded apparently or some such and [TS]

01:17:52   then they needed to get a new tire [TS]

01:17:54   shipped in because apparently this was [TS]

01:17:56   not an off-the-shelf tire a month or so [TS]

01:17:59   later they were they were going to give [TS]

01:18:01   me the same car again and then as it was [TS]

01:18:04   coming down 95 from Washington DC to me [TS]

01:18:06   apparently picked up a chip in the [TS]

01:18:08   windshield or like a shatter and the [TS]

01:18:09   windshield and so I turned around went [TS]

01:18:11   back to DC so as an apology tour [TS]

01:18:14   fiat-chrysler of america has loaned me a [TS]

01:18:17   jeep grand cherokee 4x4 [TS]

01:18:21   did if I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:18:23   that's what it was I do have the sticker [TS]

01:18:25   in front of me [TS]

01:18:26   well not in front of me but I do have [TS]

01:18:27   the sticker yes Jeep Grand Cherokee [TS]

01:18:30   Limited 4x4 it has about 5000 miles on [TS]

01:18:33   the clock and it is it's a thing it's a [TS]

01:18:38   thing is that your review that's my [TS]

01:18:41   whole review what happens when you get [TS]

01:18:42   that big Volvo SUV then we get this big [TS]

01:18:45   Volvo and they're like he likes giant [TS]

01:18:47   shopping carts let's send them a big [TS]

01:18:50   that's exactly it [TS]

01:18:51   hippie shopping cart a big tippy [TS]

01:18:54   shopping cart well so yeah so here's the [TS]

01:18:57   problem if I hadn't had the Volvo in the [TS]

01:19:01   family I think I would have been fairly [TS]

01:19:03   impressed by this car but having the [TS]

01:19:06   Volvo in the family this car is the [TS]

01:19:10   American version of a luxury SUV which [TS]

01:19:14   is to say it's not that luxurious and [TS]

01:19:18   it's kind of a piece of garbage [TS]

01:19:22   it does have big cupholders so it does [TS]

01:19:26   have a lot of really good things going [TS]

01:19:27   for it [TS]

01:19:28   it does have a fairly robust Bluetooth [TS]

01:19:31   setup that has some really neat features [TS]

01:19:34   it does in that that's you connect the [TS]

01:19:37   letter you connect and it's been around [TS]

01:19:39   in Chrysler cars for a while now it does [TS]

01:19:41   some neat things like it'll read you [TS]

01:19:42   your text messages you can even put on a [TS]

01:19:44   do not disturb mode on the like [TS]

01:19:47   infotainment so it will no longer offer [TS]

01:19:49   to read you your text messages Bluetooth [TS]

01:19:51   connectivity for media worked reasonably [TS]

01:19:53   well you know all that is is decent it [TS]

01:19:55   has a backup camera it does not have a [TS]

01:19:57   360 camera it has an auto raising and [TS]

01:20:00   lowering lift gate it actually has a AC [TS]

01:20:02   plug so a not a DC plug like a cigarette [TS]

01:20:06   lighter I'm talking a full on like the [TS]

01:20:08   same kind of outlet you would find in [TS]

01:20:10   your house plug-in in the back of the [TS]

01:20:13   center console so for the for the rear [TS]

01:20:15   seats which is super cool I knew that [TS]

01:20:17   they had put these in cars before but [TS]

01:20:19   you know to get a decent one of those as [TS]

01:20:21   an aftermarket thing it's like a couple [TS]

01:20:23   hundred bucks and this is just in the [TS]

01:20:25   car overall that's nice car you know did [TS]

01:20:28   a lot of things reasonably well this [TS]

01:20:31   particular model was the v6 the v6 is [TS]

01:20:33   not fast [TS]

01:20:34   it does do the stop-start thing it [TS]

01:20:36   actually I think was a little bit [TS]

01:20:38   smoother on the stop start than Aaron's [TS]

01:20:40   Volvo - believe it or not so so far [TS]

01:20:43   things are looking good but then [TS]

01:20:45   everything takes a turn wait as I'm [TS]

01:20:47   building and pricing this thing to match [TS]

01:20:49   what you're saying the next step that I [TS]

01:20:51   have to choose is the color and I you [TS]

01:20:53   know I only have one question it is not [TS]

01:20:55   white you jackass yes it is a dark dark [TS]

01:21:00   dark grey what is the official color [TS]

01:21:01   where does it say it it looks like it [TS]

01:21:03   comes in about 16 different Gray's the [TS]

01:21:05   exterior color is granite crystal [TS]

01:21:07   metallic clear coat exterior paint what [TS]

01:21:10   this thing is is almost the same price [TS]

01:21:12   as you know the base price was 44 de the [TS]

01:21:17   sticker the you a 4x4 it is a 4x4 [TS]

01:21:19   limited trim right correct Grand [TS]

01:21:22   Cherokee Limited 4x4 this is a 2017 [TS]

01:21:24   model oh yeah sorry I'm a 39:9 yeah [TS]

01:21:27   that's the base price optional equipment [TS]

01:21:28   includes the customer preferred package [TS]

01:21:32   23h which is apparently luxury group 2 [TS]

01:21:35   which is the $4,300 option that includes [TS]

01:21:39   a 506 watt amplifier at 8.4 inch [TS]

01:21:41   touchscreen display [TS]

01:21:44   leather-trimmed seats with perforated [TS]

01:21:45   inserts ooh we need to talk about heated [TS]

01:21:48   and cooled seats actually because that's [TS]

01:21:50   the thing main sense lane departure [TS]

01:21:53   warning plus parallel and perpendicular [TS]

01:21:55   Park Assist have you tried auto parking [TS]

01:21:58   in the Tesla I have does it work it [TS]

01:22:01   works mostly but it's so slow I usually [TS]

01:22:04   just do it myself [TS]

01:22:05   yeah yeah it's it's I tried it once with [TS]

01:22:08   perpendicular parking and it was garbage [TS]

01:22:10   and actually to be fair so was Erin's [TS]

01:22:12   Volvo [TS]

01:22:15   finally finally a $595 blind spot in [TS]

01:22:18   cross path detection and a destination [TS]

01:22:21   charge of a thousand dollars total [TS]

01:22:22   sticker price ladies and gentlemen forty [TS]

01:22:24   eight thousand two hundred thirty [TS]

01:22:25   dollars which is quite a bit less than [TS]

01:22:27   we paid for Erin's Volvo so it it feels [TS]

01:22:30   like the American take on a luxury SUV a [TS]

01:22:32   lot of the stuff is nice and it does [TS]

01:22:34   have a lot of the bits and bobs like the [TS]

01:22:35   you know radar cruise control but so [TS]

01:22:38   much of it it gets wrong like this you [TS]

01:22:40   connect thing and this is gonna this [TS]

01:22:42   isn't that interesting without without a [TS]

01:22:44   visual aid and so you just have to go on [TS]

01:22:46   faith until I eventually write my blog [TS]

01:22:48   post but the UConnect thing is an [TS]

01:22:51   assault on my eyeballs it is a billion [TS]

01:22:54   buttons everything is gray everything [TS]

01:22:57   blends together there are neat features [TS]

01:23:00   about it so as an example when you're in [TS]

01:23:02   the Bluetooth like media screen there's [TS]

01:23:05   a little teeny tiny button that says map [TS]

01:23:07   and then it will do a popover of the [TS]

01:23:09   current map so you can look at where you [TS]

01:23:11   are without leaving the context the [TS]

01:23:12   Bluetooth screen that's a kind of cool [TS]

01:23:14   idea but it isn't pinch-to-zoom or you [TS]

01:23:18   know or or whatever the case may be [TS]

01:23:20   which Aaron's car is the resolution of [TS]

01:23:22   the screen was not very good you know [TS]

01:23:25   Aaron's car I wouldn't call it retina [TS]

01:23:27   but it's it's it's of that kind of talib [TS]

01:23:30   er right it's it's a decently high res [TS]

01:23:32   screen this thing was looked like it was [TS]

01:23:35   five years old and this is a 2017 model [TS]

01:23:38   and here again as I was starting to say [TS]

01:23:40   at the beginning it's it's so [TS]

01:23:44   frustrating because without Aaron's car [TS]

01:23:46   as a comparison as a benchmark I [TS]

01:23:48   actually think I would have liked this [TS]

01:23:49   car a lot more and and when I met Aaron [TS]

01:23:52   way back when you know she had said her [TS]

01:23:54   like fantasy car in a lot of ways was [TS]

01:23:56   Grand Cherokee she's always really liked [TS]

01:23:58   them and you know what I always really [TS]

01:24:00   liked them I always thought they were [TS]

01:24:01   really nice car or trucks I should say [TS]

01:24:03   but as compared to the Volvo which does [TS]

01:24:06   all of the things this does and more and [TS]

01:24:09   does every single one of them better [TS]

01:24:11   except of course going offroad I would [TS]

01:24:14   choose the Volvo any day the week and [TS]

01:24:15   twice on Sunday knob feel it was maybe a [TS]

01:24:19   seven or eight it's a nice if it feels [TS]

01:24:22   nice but it's not it is it really is but [TS]

01:24:26   it's not [TS]

01:24:27   you can tell it's just it's just not all [TS]

01:24:30   there and the things that really drove [TS]

01:24:33   me nuts about it were things where they [TS]

01:24:36   just didn't think it through [TS]

01:24:38   so as an example most of you listeners [TS]

01:24:42   probably live in an area where at a [TS]

01:24:45   stoplight and in for Americans that's a [TS]

01:24:47   left for you know those crazies that [TS]

01:24:49   drive on the wrong side of the road it [TS]

01:24:50   would be making a right but for [TS]

01:24:51   Americans if you're trying to make a [TS]

01:24:52   left let's say that there are two lanes [TS]

01:24:54   to make a left-hand turn so you're on [TS]

01:24:56   presumably like a multi-lane Road and [TS]

01:24:58   you're gonna you're at a stoplight [TS]

01:25:00   you're gonna make a left-hand turn which [TS]

01:25:01   is the difficult turn for an American to [TS]

01:25:03   make so you stop the car and the stop [TS]

01:25:06   start probably kicks into the car yet [TS]

01:25:08   feels like it's stalled but it's [TS]

01:25:10   actually fine you go to take off once [TS]

01:25:13   the light turns green the car starts [TS]

01:25:15   right up that actually works really well [TS]

01:25:16   and like I said it's actually a little [TS]

01:25:17   smoother than Aaron's car surprisingly [TS]

01:25:19   especially since it's two more cylinders [TS]

01:25:21   and immediately wait we we because what [TS]

01:25:26   ends up happening is it thinks I perhaps [TS]

01:25:28   because I'm an idiot and I'm the only [TS]

01:25:31   American that ever uses my turn signal [TS]

01:25:32   it thinks that you're signaling to make [TS]

01:25:35   a lane change and it's trying to tell [TS]

01:25:38   you there's somebody next to you which [TS]

01:25:40   on the highway at like 70 miles an hour [TS]

01:25:42   or what-have-you [TS]

01:25:43   that is a useful thing but when you're [TS]

01:25:46   on a surface street accelerating from [TS]

01:25:49   zero miles an hour to 15 or 20 or 30 or [TS]

01:25:51   40 the moment you leave 0 miles an hour [TS]

01:25:55   and all of a sudden you get great great [TS]

01:25:57   great oh my word is it frustrating and a [TS]

01:26:00   lot of the roads in that in the area in [TS]

01:26:02   which I live are multi-lane roads in [TS]

01:26:03   each direction so there are a lot of [TS]

01:26:05   times when I'm being - I'll be making a [TS]

01:26:07   left adjacent to another car and all the [TS]

01:26:10   time I mean we we it is unbelievably [TS]

01:26:14   frustrating so here's an example of [TS]

01:26:15   where it's a great idea in principle but [TS]

01:26:20   it's just poorly executed the UConnect [TS]

01:26:22   thing with like all the Bluetooth bits [TS]

01:26:24   and bobs and all of that great idea in [TS]

01:26:26   principle not a good execution and [TS]

01:26:28   furthermore where's my damn car play [TS]

01:26:30   it's just infuriating and so so much of [TS]

01:26:33   this car and I know I say this about so [TS]

01:26:35   many things but it was death by a [TS]

01:26:37   thousand paper cuts I in a lot of ways I [TS]

01:26:39   really liked it [TS]

01:26:40   but God it was terrible any thoughts [TS]

01:26:43   about the car and then I'd like to do a [TS]

01:26:44   little inside baseball about what what [TS]

01:26:47   the delivery process was like can you [TS]

01:26:49   disable stop start yes and it's actually [TS]

01:26:52   a physical button right there on the [TS]

01:26:53   dashboard I've never had a car with that [TS]

01:26:55   but I haven't so desperately I think I [TS]

01:26:57   would not buy one if I couldn't turn it [TS]

01:26:59   off and have it remember the setting you [TS]

01:27:01   know it's really not that bad in the [TS]

01:27:03   grand no no no no you would notice I [TS]

01:27:11   noticed you would absolutely notice but [TS]

01:27:13   you do get used to it and especially if [TS]

01:27:16   you drive a car with three pedals I mean [TS]

01:27:18   I understand the theory and like I think [TS]

01:27:20   I would I might leave it on on something [TS]

01:27:22   big like a mini van or an SUV or some [TS]

01:27:24   other thing that I that I didn't [TS]

01:27:26   consider a real car like you don't know [TS]

01:27:28   me but I just don't want that I mean the [TS]

01:27:31   true chops stop-start is wood Marko has [TS]

01:27:34   when he's at a stoplight [TS]

01:27:36   nothing is perfect nothing is moving the [TS]

01:27:38   drive it has stopped but then when he [TS]

01:27:41   goes again he doesn't have to wait for [TS]

01:27:44   the engine to start and I know there's [TS]

01:27:45   not waiting I know they start really [TS]

01:27:46   fast the starter motors are fine they're [TS]

01:27:47   built to be to be started you'll you [TS]

01:27:49   know maybe you'll notice but you'll [TS]

01:27:50   they'll never be any legs I don't I [TS]

01:27:53   don't want that I don't want it at all [TS]

01:27:54   it still sucks no I mean like Tim to me [TS]

01:27:57   like all like start/stop CV T's all [TS]

01:28:01   these new autos that have like a million [TS]

01:28:03   different gears in them to me it's kind [TS]

01:28:05   of like when LCD came out for TVs and [TS]

01:28:09   LCDs were ok but they and they were [TS]

01:28:12   fairly simple but then towards the you [TS]

01:28:15   know middle and end of the LCD era in [TS]

01:28:18   TVs they started adding all these crazy [TS]

01:28:21   hacks to try to boost their spec so [TS]

01:28:23   that's when you start getting like the [TS]

01:28:24   weird dynamic backlighting and like all [TS]

01:28:26   sorts like weird hacks that really were [TS]

01:28:30   just like piles upon piles of hacks that [TS]

01:28:32   made certain things worse all in an [TS]

01:28:35   effort to try to boost specs towards the [TS]

01:28:37   end of their life before we switch to a [TS]

01:28:39   superior technology of OLED and that [TS]

01:28:42   that to me is what gas engine cars are [TS]

01:28:45   going through for like the last 10 years [TS]

01:28:47   or so they are trying so hard to eke out [TS]

01:28:50   every single last mile per gallon to [TS]

01:28:53   meet [TS]

01:28:53   new spec requirements and to be more [TS]

01:28:55   competitive and everything but they're [TS]

01:28:58   just adding all these crazy hacks that [TS]

01:29:00   add up to being a lot less fun to drive [TS]

01:29:02   or a lot less nice of a drive in certain [TS]

01:29:04   ways and to certain people who care [TS]

01:29:05   about such things and you know really [TS]

01:29:08   this is it these are just all temporary [TS]

01:29:10   hacks on the way to the next thing which [TS]

01:29:12   is electric but you know on in cars [TS]

01:29:15   things move more slowly and so it's good [TS]

01:29:17   you know we're gonna be in the tradition [TS]

01:29:18   for a while but ultimately we're gonna [TS]

01:29:20   look back on all these crazy gaff engine [TS]

01:29:22   hacks as just these awful relics of a [TS]

01:29:25   transitional time and also the sensor [TS]

01:29:28   stuff this is kind of the I think we're [TS]

01:29:30   in the mouse mouse motor seatbelt error [TS]

01:29:32   I don't know if the mouse model not [TS]

01:29:33   getting it right but remember do you [TS]

01:29:35   remember the seatbelts there was that [TS]

01:29:37   there was a requirement I think it was [TS]

01:29:39   like a government requirement in the US [TS]

01:29:41   that you either had to have airbags or [TS]

01:29:45   automatic motorised seatbelts do you [TS]

01:29:47   remember the seatbelts that go along a [TS]

01:29:48   little track along like the a-pillar Hat [TS]

01:29:50   what those were for yeah because it was [TS]

01:29:52   like before car makers weren't ready to [TS]

01:29:54   put airbags in yet so like well we've [TS]

01:29:56   got this bottle of car and we haven't [TS]

01:29:59   figured out the whole airbag thing yet [TS]

01:30:00   or we don't have a supplier or we [TS]

01:30:01   haven't certified it or the car is [TS]

01:30:02   almost done or whatever so they would [TS]

01:30:04   put in the motorized seatbelt so when [TS]

01:30:06   you open the door this little motorized [TS]

01:30:07   thing with a round down you're a pillar [TS]

01:30:09   with the shoulder harness attached to it [TS]

01:30:11   and then you'd get in the car and close [TS]

01:30:13   the door and they would go run and motor [TS]

01:30:14   back up to like over your shoulder [TS]

01:30:16   that's what my Saturn had and though [TS]

01:30:18   first of all those are an abomination [TS]

01:30:19   and I never would have bought a car with [TS]

01:30:21   them and they're terrible but it was [TS]

01:30:23   like Oh from now on safety features will [TS]

01:30:25   just be more and more invasive but no [TS]

01:30:27   like we figured that out eventually we [TS]

01:30:29   got the airbag thing figured out the [TS]

01:30:30   motorized seatbelts went away so I feel [TS]

01:30:32   like sensors are in the little motorized [TS]

01:30:34   seatbelt there where it's like sensors [TS]

01:30:36   are good we want them for safety [TS]

01:30:38   governments are gonna require certain [TS]

01:30:40   things or whatever but a lot of them are [TS]

01:30:42   poorly implemented like Casey's you know [TS]

01:30:43   Lane detection thing that is telling [TS]

01:30:45   them he's gonna go into a lane where [TS]

01:30:47   somebody is there and really he's just [TS]

01:30:48   making a left along with a bunch of [TS]

01:30:49   other people right sensors are good we [TS]

01:30:52   should have more than we should have [TS]

01:30:53   more cameras you know all the stuff that [TS]

01:30:54   like makes it easy to park and you know [TS]

01:30:56   the backup cameras are mandated in 2017 [TS]

01:30:58   models and later in the u.s. I think [TS]

01:31:00   like those are all good but a lot of the [TS]

01:31:02   early implementations are not good and [TS]

01:31:04   so we get angry like oh the safety [TS]

01:31:06   equipment sucks [TS]

01:31:07   don't want to have all these electronic [TS]

01:31:08   sensors blue Konami I want the sensors I [TS]

01:31:10   don't want them blooping at me so I'm [TS]

01:31:12   hoping that these the the incredibly [TS]

01:31:16   annoying blooping sensors we could that [TS]

01:31:19   we get this figured out and it settles [TS]

01:31:20   down into the current state of like [TS]

01:31:22   safety equipment like airbags where you [TS]

01:31:23   don't notice them they're small the [TS]

01:31:25   steering wheels aren't gigantic because [TS]

01:31:27   of them anymore and we just all you know [TS]

01:31:30   except the safety benefits of them but I [TS]

01:31:32   don't know it's been a while with the [TS]

01:31:33   sensors and almost every review it still [TS]

01:31:35   raises like mentions hey can you turn [TS]

01:31:37   that stuff off like in some ways I'm [TS]

01:31:39   always kind of glad that I didn't get [TS]

01:31:40   that more expensive option on my Accord [TS]

01:31:42   for the Honda sensing packages stuff [TS]

01:31:44   because I have the backup camera which [TS]

01:31:46   is the most important thing but all the [TS]

01:31:47   other sensing stuff for like lane change [TS]

01:31:49   and whatever like I guess it would be [TS]

01:31:52   easier than turning my head but I would [TS]

01:31:53   probably still turn my head anyway I [TS]

01:31:54   mean forever it's worth the both the BMW [TS]

01:31:58   and the Tesla systems for these things [TS]

01:31:59   have not been annoying they have not [TS]

01:32:01   annoyed me at times where they shouldn't [TS]

01:32:03   they've been they've been great the [TS]

01:32:05   Volvo's is very good as well the only [TS]

01:32:06   problem I have with the Volvo is there's [TS]

01:32:08   been a couple of times when it's done a [TS]

01:32:10   panic stop on behalf of the driver when [TS]

01:32:13   really it wasn't necessary which is very [TS]

01:32:15   startling but that's only been a couple [TS]

01:32:17   of times where we're by comparison with [TS]

01:32:20   the Jeep you know half the time I was [TS]

01:32:22   driving in a couple other thoughts [TS]

01:32:26   actually before we do a little inside [TS]

01:32:27   baseball remote start on a car that you [TS]

01:32:30   can only cool once the cars started that [TS]

01:32:33   is awesome [TS]

01:32:34   Aaron's car can be remote started [TS]

01:32:35   curiously enough from the Volvo app but [TS]

01:32:38   cannot be remote started from the key [TS]

01:32:39   fob which is kind of backwards from what [TS]

01:32:41   I would expect but this thing had a [TS]

01:32:43   remote start right on the key fob and [TS]

01:32:44   that was super nice ventilated seats [TS]

01:32:46   there cool I guess and I don't mean that [TS]

01:32:49   to be punny but it didn't make that big [TS]

01:32:51   of a difference I certainly liked it and [TS]

01:32:53   if it was like a one or two hundred [TS]

01:32:54   dollar option on a phantom car I was [TS]

01:32:56   about to buy I would probably tick that [TS]

01:32:58   check box but if it was like a five [TS]

01:32:59   hundred thousand dollar option no way [TS]

01:33:01   cooled seats heated seats are different [TS]

01:33:03   beasts heated seats are easy oh very [TS]

01:33:05   much yeah yeah cooled seats i I've I've [TS]

01:33:07   had a number of different ones my [TS]

01:33:09   current car doesn't have them because at [TS]

01:33:11   the time I bought a Tesla didn't offer [TS]

01:33:12   them I think it still doesn't the way [TS]

01:33:14   cool seats are implemented makes a huge [TS]

01:33:16   difference in how useful or not useful [TS]

01:33:18   they are [TS]

01:33:19   what is cooling them are they [TS]

01:33:21   taking like an offshoot of event from [TS]

01:33:22   the main system and cooling you that way [TS]

01:33:24   are they just blowing air like with [TS]

01:33:26   their own little fan do they have their [TS]

01:33:28   own compressor even like there are [TS]

01:33:30   different degrees of cooled seats and it [TS]

01:33:33   makes a big difference also like one [TS]

01:33:35   issue I had with the the m5 had it but I [TS]

01:33:37   almost never used it because the like [TS]

01:33:40   the cut of the fabric on the sport seats [TS]

01:33:42   didn't have a lot of room for like the [TS]

01:33:46   big the big areas with the holes that [TS]

01:33:48   would ventilate so like it would cool [TS]

01:33:50   like part of my you know thighs but not [TS]

01:33:53   like the whole area that needed to be [TS]

01:33:55   cooled and there wasn't a lot of airflow [TS]

01:33:57   like the way you'd sit in it we just [TS]

01:33:59   kind of like block it shut the best I [TS]

01:34:01   ever I have felt yet a while back Tiff's [TS]

01:34:05   had a Lexus is250 [TS]

01:34:07   and that one had really nice [TS]

01:34:09   air-conditioned seats that they would it [TS]

01:34:11   was it was like sitting on a glorious [TS]

01:34:12   air-conditioned air hockey table like [TS]

01:34:14   you would you would feel it it cooled [TS]

01:34:16   really strongly to the point where [TS]

01:34:18   eventually or later we get cold you turn [TS]

01:34:20   it down and I that never I never had to [TS]

01:34:22   turn it down in the m5 like that I was [TS]

01:34:25   always like I was just dying for more [TS]

01:34:27   but for what I understand there are a [TS]

01:34:30   lot of different levels of how how good [TS]

01:34:32   these things can be so I'm not familiar [TS]

01:34:35   with the one that was in your your you [TS]

01:34:38   know big Jeep monstrosity but maybe it [TS]

01:34:40   was just not one of the good ones [TS]

01:34:41   yeah very well could be and I think [TS]

01:34:44   that's mostly it obviously I will you [TS]

01:34:47   know write some amount of review for my [TS]

01:34:49   website about this what was interesting [TS]

01:34:51   about it was apparently you know Fiat [TS]

01:34:54   and all the other car manufacturers have [TS]

01:34:56   you know these fleets of vehicles and [TS]

01:34:58   there's you know presumably one in the [TS]

01:34:59   East Coast one of the Midwest and one in [TS]

01:35:00   the west coast and so when this was [TS]

01:35:03   being arranged you know I had come to [TS]

01:35:05   find out that that the car was in I [TS]

01:35:08   actually thought at the time DC it turns [TS]

01:35:10   out it was actually in Baltimore which [TS]

01:35:11   is about a three-hour drive from where I [TS]

01:35:13   am and so when we were arranging it I [TS]

01:35:16   had assumed that that meant I would have [TS]

01:35:17   to like meet the driver halfway somehow [TS]

01:35:21   and like pick the car up and then drive [TS]

01:35:23   it the rest away but as it turns out no [TS]

01:35:24   when you're pressed oh they come to you [TS]

01:35:26   they drove the car all the way to me we [TS]

01:35:29   spoke for about two minutes they handed [TS]

01:35:31   me the keys and then they drove back to [TS]

01:35:33   Baltimore and that [TS]

01:35:34   that in tomorrow they're going to come [TS]

01:35:35   to my house I will presumably speak with [TS]

01:35:38   them for two minutes and then they will [TS]

01:35:39   go back to Baltimore which I just [TS]

01:35:41   thought was was the most bonkers thing [TS]

01:35:43   but I guess that's normal [TS]

01:35:45   there was no formal or implied agreement [TS]

01:35:49   that I would write or talk about any of [TS]

01:35:51   this really um obviously I wanted to in [TS]

01:35:54   part because I feel like I kind of owed [TS]

01:35:55   it to them but they never said like it [TS]

01:35:57   has to be a good review it has to be so [TS]

01:35:59   long or anything like that I mean they [TS]

01:36:01   never really even said you have to talk [TS]

01:36:02   about it they just said hey if you want [TS]

01:36:03   the car you can have the car and I said [TS]

01:36:05   yes please it's a very odd thing and I'm [TS]

01:36:07   and I'm very thankful to Sam for kind of [TS]

01:36:09   arranging this for me and we'll see if [TS]

01:36:12   we get the car that I was originally [TS]

01:36:14   slated to get because you know like I [TS]

01:36:15   said this was kind of the apology tour [TS]

01:36:17   car we'll see if I ever do get my hands [TS]

01:36:19   on the thing I originally wanted to get [TS]

01:36:21   and well we'll find out is it from the [TS]

01:36:24   same company it is it is from Fiat [TS]

01:36:26   Chrysler America I mean maybe so there [TS]

01:36:33   have been a couple of times what I've [TS]

01:36:35   been given review samples of things and [TS]

01:36:37   it's similar in this in the sense that [TS]

01:36:40   you know they don't I've never been [TS]

01:36:42   asked to provide a positive review in [TS]

01:36:44   exchange for receiving a thing I mean [TS]

01:36:45   I'm sure there are like less ethical [TS]

01:36:48   companies that will ask press that but I [TS]

01:36:51   don't think they would last very long [TS]

01:36:52   doing that because that's like that's a [TS]

01:36:54   massive ethical problem and I think you [TS]

01:36:57   know the press would not react kindly to [TS]

01:36:58   being asked to do that so you know no [TS]

01:37:00   one's ever asked me for a review or a [TS]

01:37:02   positive review or anything but the [TS]

01:37:04   implication is always that they expect a [TS]

01:37:06   review mmm it's never a usually you know [TS]

01:37:09   it's never like I don't like sign a [TS]

01:37:10   contract saying I'm going to review it [TS]

01:37:12   but usually the implication is they're [TS]

01:37:14   sending me these things for me to review [TS]

01:37:17   them usually when I give a particularly [TS]

01:37:19   negative review I don't usually hear [TS]

01:37:21   from that company again so given your [TS]

01:37:25   summary of this car right I don't know [TS]

01:37:29   how this company works and how they deal [TS]

01:37:31   with their you know their press outreach [TS]

01:37:33   and review units but I maybe wouldn't [TS]

01:37:37   expect you to get whatever car that you [TS]

01:37:40   actually wanted the relationship might [TS]

01:37:43   end at this point I'm just saying it [TS]

01:37:45   shouldn't work that way but it does work [TS]

01:37:47   that way [TS]

01:37:48   if for a lot of companies a lot of the [TS]

01:37:50   time so and this is honestly this is [TS]

01:37:53   part of the problem with that style of [TS]

01:37:55   review this is one of the you know when [TS]

01:37:57   you combine it also with like you know [TS]

01:37:59   the nature of advertising driven [TS]

01:38:01   publications this is also one of the [TS]

01:38:03   reasons why there's often a conflict of [TS]

01:38:06   interest and and one of the reasons why [TS]

01:38:07   like you know I think Consumer Reports [TS]

01:38:09   famously just goes and buys their cars [TS]

01:38:12   to review like they don't take review [TS]

01:38:14   samples because that can be seen as as [TS]

01:38:17   affecting the outcome or you know as and [TS]

01:38:19   and even if you are even if you try so [TS]

01:38:21   hard you know as the reviewer to be [TS]

01:38:24   neutral and to be you know objective [TS]

01:38:27   about everything it still does make you [TS]

01:38:30   feel better about a company if you got [TS]

01:38:32   something for free it does affect the [TS]

01:38:35   way you frame it in your mind even [TS]

01:38:37   subconsciously it's very very hard to [TS]

01:38:40   try to turn that off and try to be [TS]

01:38:42   totally objective there's a big [TS]

01:38:45   justification I think to publications [TS]

01:38:48   and reviewers who don't accept freebies [TS]

01:38:50   and who just buy the things they review [TS]

01:38:53   so the corollary to this is the Consumer [TS]

01:38:55   Reports has terrible car reviews and the [TS]

01:38:59   good car magazine it's a good car [TS]

01:39:01   magazines like Car and Driver have spent [TS]

01:39:03   decades crapping on entire brands and [TS]

01:39:07   lines of cars and companies just decade [TS]

01:39:09   after decade of GM makes crap everything [TS]

01:39:12   they make is terrible and they still [TS]

01:39:13   keep sending on their cars right so like [TS]

01:39:15   it's obviously you're not Car and Driver [TS]

01:39:18   so Marco is probably right in your case [TS]

01:39:20   right they don't need you but if you're [TS]

01:39:22   big enough and important enough they'll [TS]

01:39:24   just keep sending you cars even if every [TS]

01:39:26   single time you send them like like you [TS]

01:39:28   crap on their cars right and they'll say [TS]

01:39:31   things pretty much just as harsh as what [TS]

01:39:33   Casey said only in slightly a different [TS]

01:39:34   language like cum and less than all the [TS]

01:39:37   comparison tests the summary reviews are [TS]

01:39:39   terrible I mean how I read you the the [TS]

01:39:41   one-liner [TS]

01:39:41   summary of the Acura TLX is an [TS]

01:39:43   automotive wallpaper do you think I keep [TS]

01:39:46   sending them their cars but they're [TS]

01:39:47   going to they're gonna keep sending them [TS]

01:39:49   because of their car and driver so it is [TS]

01:39:50   possible to get enough clout to I mean [TS]

01:39:53   you know people complain like the best [TS]

01:39:55   complains about Car and Driver is there [TS]

01:39:57   on BMWs payroll because they love BMWs [TS]

01:39:59   few years but guess what that changed [TS]

01:40:00   recently [TS]

01:40:01   by the time they added electric steering [TS]

01:40:03   starts screwing up all their cars and it [TS]

01:40:05   changed a little bit with the bangle [TS]

01:40:06   error with styling so now people now all [TS]

01:40:10   the the conspiracy theorists don't know [TS]

01:40:12   what to do it was just like I thought we [TS]

01:40:13   were paid off with BMW BMW losing [TS]

01:40:15   comparison tests and all the reviews are [TS]

01:40:16   negative so you know some some form of [TS]

01:40:20   decent journalistic independence is [TS]

01:40:21   possible even if you get free cars and [TS]

01:40:24   going all depressed or isn't written on [TS]

01:40:26   it but look at Casey is not Car and [TS]

01:40:28   Driver so I don't know it's gonna shake [TS]

01:40:29   out yeah you're right once once you're [TS]

01:40:31   big enough that they have to send your [TS]

01:40:33   review sample just to be relevant in the [TS]

01:40:35   press like if you're big enough for that [TS]

01:40:37   then yeah then a lot of this stops [TS]

01:40:39   applying to you because yeah they're [TS]

01:40:40   gonna Center to you anyway but it when [TS]

01:40:42   you're a smaller reviewer or when you're [TS]

01:40:44   just try and get started it's really [TS]

01:40:46   really hard to to to risk getting on a [TS]

01:40:49   company's bad side because that might [TS]

01:40:51   cut off your supply of review units uh [TS]

01:40:53   weird thing is the the nicer the car [TS]

01:40:57   like sort of objectively the harder it [TS]

01:41:00   is to get those cars to the companies [TS]

01:41:02   sending you the car so a lot of car [TS]

01:41:04   magazines have a lot of difficulty [TS]

01:41:05   getting the supercars or the top-end [TS]

01:41:08   luxury brands because they don't want [TS]

01:41:11   anyone possibly saying anything negative [TS]

01:41:13   about their you know half a million [TS]

01:41:14   dollar car and they don't need you [TS]

01:41:17   because no one reading that magazine is [TS]

01:41:18   gonna buy that car anyway so they have [TS]

01:41:21   to do like what Top Gear used to do is [TS]

01:41:23   like find an owner who's nice enough to [TS]

01:41:24   let them drive their car because they [TS]

01:41:26   can't get any funding manufacturer that [TS]

01:41:27   manufacturer won't even return their [TS]

01:41:29   calls it's like no thanks why would we [TS]

01:41:31   let you say anything bad about our car [TS]

01:41:32   we're just gonna say that our car is [TS]

01:41:34   wonderful and sell it for millions of [TS]

01:41:36   dollars and they're all already sold [TS]

01:41:37   right we don't need your car magazine [TS]

01:41:39   and nobody subscribing to your stupid [TS]

01:41:41   magazine has enough money to buy our car [TS]

01:41:42   anyway so forget it so it's not all of [TS]

01:41:45   them obviously but that's that's more [TS]

01:41:46   likely the case when you're not going to [TS]

01:41:48   get a car to because of some kind of a [TS]

01:41:49   that says why would we even risk you [TS]

01:41:51   saying anything remotely negative about [TS]

01:41:52   our car why would you risk you like [TS]

01:41:54   comparing it directly to into one of our [TS]

01:41:56   competitors card we don't want that to [TS]

01:41:57   happen it's all downside for us yeah [TS]

01:41:59   yeah [TS]

01:42:00   I haven't talked to Sam about what the [TS]

01:42:03   best approach is because I'm going to [TS]

01:42:05   write about it in some way shape or form [TS]

01:42:07   I I'm almost sure of it but I don't know [TS]

01:42:09   if maybe I hold that until I get a date [TS]

01:42:12   for the phantom car that the in [TS]

01:42:15   and the thing that I was promised [TS]

01:42:17   originally is something that is much [TS]

01:42:18   more in my speed and so I'm much more [TS]

01:42:20   inclined to enjoy it in fact I had [TS]

01:42:23   feared when I before I realized I wasn't [TS]

01:42:26   getting it anytime soon I had feared [TS]

01:42:28   that I would like it enough that that I [TS]

01:42:30   would end up choosing that car to [TS]

01:42:33   replace the 335 whenever that time comes [TS]

01:42:35   so it is much more in my wheelhouse this [TS]

01:42:39   this phantom car that I'm hoping to get [TS]

01:42:41   you keep saying Fiat Chrysler I'm like [TS]

01:42:43   is he getting a rebate that restyled me [TS]

01:42:46   out of the Fiat 124 but it is good now [TS]

01:42:54   that you say you think you're replacing [TS]

01:42:55   your car it's got to be one of those [TS]

01:42:56   stupid what do they make what's there [TS]

01:42:59   they don't own Cadillac do they they do [TS]

01:43:01   not know that's Jim [TS]

01:43:03   I was worried you're trying to get one [TS]

01:43:04   of those weird like angled Cadillac m3 [TS]

01:43:06   things well I almost bought the CTSV I'm [TS]

01:43:09   trying to think of what your replaces [TS]

01:43:11   BMW what the hell does just Chrysler I [TS]

01:43:13   think I'm guessing if Casey's looking to [TS]

01:43:15   replace is BMW it's gonna be some kind [TS]

01:43:17   of small hatchback that's fast and that [TS]

01:43:21   has has a way worse interior than his [TS]

01:43:23   BMW that's made by Chrysler I don't know [TS]

01:43:26   I don't know anything about cars Dodge [TS]

01:43:27   is it anyway so let me suggest something [TS]

01:43:35   even though this is not to the best [TS]

01:43:38   journalistic integrity you gave you a [TS]

01:43:40   review of this car you just did it here [TS]

01:43:42   on this show podcasts are wonderful [TS]

01:43:44   because nobody who doesn't listen to the [TS]

01:43:48   show is gonna like get linked to this in [TS]

01:43:50   the company's PR division and be like oh [TS]

01:43:52   look at this guy we're not gonna like [TS]

01:43:53   you're you're gonna be relatively safe [TS]

01:43:56   from any kind of negative repercussions [TS]

01:43:58   that might arise with this company that [TS]

01:44:01   you're still trying to work with if you [TS]

01:44:03   just leave this here don't make the blog [TS]

01:44:05   post know if you gotta make the blog [TS]

01:44:07   post I'm doing why is the only thing he [TS]

01:44:09   has going for him is his integrity [TS]

01:44:10   that's all he's got but he you gave your [TS]

01:44:13   honest review here and you could just [TS]

01:44:15   say like look if they ask which they [TS]

01:44:17   won't so don't even bother but if they [TS]

01:44:19   would ask like hey you never made a blog [TS]

01:44:21   post just say like you know look it [TS]

01:44:23   really didn't work out for me this car [TS]

01:44:24   is not for me I didn't feel I didn't [TS]

01:44:26   feel right making this giant trashing [TS]

01:44:27   blog post about it like something [TS]

01:44:28   like you gave your review here you don't [TS]

01:44:30   that's it like you've done your duty as [TS]

01:44:33   a car journalist which I guess you are [TS]

01:44:34   now and your regulations by the way like [TS]

01:44:38   you've done your duty you don't have to [TS]

01:44:40   make a blog post that would be very easy [TS]

01:44:41   for people in the company to see fine [TS]

01:44:44   notice and then tell someone else to [TS]

01:44:46   dealing with you hey you know what we [TS]

01:44:47   don't do this guy anymore [TS]

01:44:48   they would say thank you for your honest [TS]

01:44:50   constructive feedback we will take it [TS]

01:44:51   under advisement they would the PR [TS]

01:44:57   people wouldn't but the doesn't a nice [TS]

01:44:59   way I think you'll be fine [TS]

01:45:00   you're not talking about the Chrysler [TS]

01:45:01   300 are you there's no cars that you [TS]

01:45:03   should be looking at from Christ [TS]

01:45:05   pretty sure John's off the list that's [TS]

01:45:07   right I would refuse a review car from [TS]

01:45:11   Chrysler I would refuse you refuse a [TS]

01:45:13   review car from Ferrari no I would not [TS]

01:45:16   refuse this isn't the one I would want [TS]

01:45:18   Ferrari call me at any Q get on the [TS]

01:45:21   phone [TS]

01:45:22   refuse that what else am I missing Dodge [TS]

01:45:28   Chrysler it is it the Alfa Romeo they're [TS]

01:45:32   not Fiat Chrysler are they maybe they're [TS]

01:45:34   the new alphas I actually do think are [TS]

01:45:36   pretty cool looking I I don't think I [TS]

01:45:38   would buy one but they do look pretty [TS]

01:45:40   cool [TS]

01:45:41   they look horrendous but they're getting [TS]

01:45:42   great reviews they came out the tops in [TS]

01:45:47   the recent uh comparison with like the [TS]

01:45:49   3-series like in most types of cars that [TS]

01:45:50   Julia was number one like it is a great [TS]

01:45:52   car I just cannot stand how it looks and [TS]

01:45:54   and there's also the questions of like [TS]

01:45:56   you have a will fall apart because you [TS]

01:45:58   know no fair enough yep soat willing in [TS]

01:46:00   the chat says that he ditched his m2 for [TS]

01:46:03   a Quadra fog leo yeah that looks pretty [TS]

01:46:11   cool but it's like my favorite thing [TS]

01:46:13   about this is that on its product page [TS]

01:46:15   along with its specs it lists its [TS]

01:46:17   Nurburgring lap time that's just that's [TS]

01:46:25   just that's just a Julia it's just a [TS]

01:46:27   particular model of Julia there's not [TS]

01:46:28   anymore alphas I named the 4c and the [TS]

01:46:31   Julia it's not the all I said was said [TS]

01:46:34   it's not the 4c that's all I've told you [TS]

01:46:35   and you said it's not the Julia - right [TS]

01:46:37   I guess the did I say that okay so it's [TS]

01:46:40   the Julia fine fine I hope you get it [TS]

01:46:41   cuz this looks awesome [TS]

01:46:42   right well then and then it's the Julia [TS]

01:46:44   yeah that's really better now that [TS]

01:46:45   you're an SUV person is it a Stella vo [TS]

01:46:47   Quadrifoglio no it is not [TS]

01:46:50   anyway the Julia is a really good car [TS]

01:46:52   and I think you'll really like it if you [TS]

01:46:53   can stomach the looks and if it doesn't [TS]

01:46:55   fall apart I absolutely can stomach the [TS]

01:46:58   looks the thing I might not be able to [TS]

01:47:00   stomach is the transmission but the [TS]

01:47:02   stick is only Europe that's right the [TS]

01:47:05   reviews I've read say that even with the [TS]

01:47:07   automatic that is a really good car I [TS]

01:47:08   think you will like I have read the same [TS]

01:47:10   but but if you are concerned with [TS]

01:47:11   expensive repairs and reliability [TS]

01:47:13   perhaps Alfa Romeo it's not the brand [TS]

01:47:15   for you that's the problem so I don't [TS]

01:47:19   know we'll see we'll see if this 4c ever [TS]

01:47:21   shows rx re not the four see if the [TS]

01:47:23   Quadrifoglio ever shows up [TS]

01:47:25   my guess is probably not but but yet I [TS]

01:47:28   mean this is basically an m3 competitor [TS]

01:47:30   and and it looks - I think it looks good [TS]

01:47:33   I know you hate it I think it looks good [TS]

01:47:35   and if you can if you can leave the [TS]

01:47:37   transmission out of it oh man I think [TS]

01:47:40   this would be a fun car to own so if and [TS]

01:47:42   when I ever got a spin with it it would [TS]

01:47:44   be great [TS]

01:47:44   here's my problem with this number one [TS]

01:47:47   price to performance ratio here it looks [TS]

01:47:50   like in order to get a car that's [TS]

01:47:52   actually faster than your 335 you'd have [TS]

01:47:55   to go Quadrifoglio which is 72 thousand [TS]

01:47:58   dollars starting price which is [TS]

01:48:00   admittedly noticeably faster which is [TS]

01:48:02   nice like that it would be a nice [TS]

01:48:04   upgrade but your ear then you're then in [TS]

01:48:06   a very high price bracket oh yes [TS]

01:48:08   secondly if you're gonna lose a stick [TS]

01:48:11   and not have a DCT and be willing to [TS]

01:48:14   spend seventy two thousand dollars get a [TS]

01:48:16   use p85d yeah yeah yeah well at that [TS]

01:48:20   point if you're not gonna have a stick [TS]

01:48:21   get a Tesla and then get a faster car [TS]

01:48:24   this makes better noises no test leave [TS]

01:48:26   no the Tesla might be faster this is [TS]

01:48:28   lighter than the Tesla - you're not [TS]

01:48:30   gonna care the noises it makes when you [TS]

01:48:32   are squished against the back of your [TS]

01:48:34   seat from the p85d that you can get used [TS]

01:48:36   for that price it's not that much faster [TS]

01:48:38   than this thing handles better well I [TS]

01:48:42   mean if you're getting to 60 in 3.8 [TS]

01:48:45   seconds you're already in a place where [TS]

01:48:47   you are way faster than what I'm used to [TS]

01:48:49   and the sound oh that sound is sound and [TS]

01:48:54   in this price bracket it's 70 grand like [TS]

01:48:55   I said [TS]

01:48:56   came out on top against other cars some [TS]

01:48:57   of which cost more so it's not like [TS]

01:48:59   there's a cheaper car that is better to [TS]

01:49:01   have this out there today and I and I'm [TS]

01:49:03   pretty sure if they had thrown a Model S [TS]

01:49:05   into that comparison were to come back [TS]

01:49:06   way in the back because despite it being [TS]

01:49:08   really fast it is like a 5000 pound car [TS]

01:49:10   and they would get destroyed and all the [TS]

01:49:12   handling tests that's fair but I still [TS]

01:49:15   like if this car was available in a [TS]

01:49:17   stick or a DCT I would say awesome go [TS]

01:49:20   for it but because you care so much [TS]

01:49:22   about that stick and because this is not [TS]

01:49:25   available on that stick I think you [TS]

01:49:27   would be I think you would miss it and [TS]

01:49:28   if you're gonna miss it go electric what [TS]

01:49:31   you have other great benefits and better [TS]

01:49:33   performance anyway or get something [TS]

01:49:35   different than how they stick and you'll [TS]

01:49:37   probably enjoy it more I bet I assume [TS]

01:49:39   your your beloved Golf R comes in a [TS]

01:49:41   stick right oh it absolutely does I bet [TS]

01:49:43   you would have more fun driving that [TS]

01:49:45   than driving this that's probably true [TS]

01:49:49   but nevertheless I think there is [TS]

01:49:53   something to be said for for a car that [TS]

01:49:55   is kind of rare kind of interesting kind [TS]

01:49:58   of unique and has basically a Ferrari [TS]

01:50:01   engine within it I mean that's that's [TS]

01:50:03   pretty freakin cool [TS]

01:50:04   I don't know I I like the idea of the [TS]

01:50:08   Julia Quadrifoglio quite a while quite a [TS]

01:50:09   lot but I think Marco is onto something [TS]

01:50:11   that in pure fun I would probably enjoy [TS]

01:50:14   the Gulf are more in part because it's [TS]

01:50:17   all wheel drive and as much as I fancy [TS]

01:50:19   myself a really skilled driver the fact [TS]

01:50:21   of the matter is I'm a ham-fisted driver [TS]

01:50:23   and having all-wheel drive would keep me [TS]

01:50:25   out of trouble now less trouble well you [TS]

01:50:28   know what I mean but I and I'd want to [TS]

01:50:29   have three pedals I really would but you [TS]

01:50:32   know Civic type-r if you want to have [TS]

01:50:34   some fun and stay out of trouble [TS]

01:50:35   maybe not fast enough to get into real [TS]

01:50:37   trouble super fun you'll find yourself [TS]

01:50:39   in an action movie with those you know [TS]

01:50:41   what that friends I mean the fact is [TS]

01:50:46   like if you if you want fun you want a [TS]

01:50:49   stick like that's I know you you know [TS]

01:50:52   you you know this is true yeah this car [TS]

01:50:54   would be really fast and you'd have fun [TS]

01:50:57   for a couple of days and then you'd miss [TS]

01:50:59   your stick and then after a couple of [TS]

01:51:01   days the novelty will will have worn off [TS]

01:51:03   you won't care about who made the engine [TS]

01:51:05   or what it was originally expect for you [TS]

01:51:07   will be really miss [TS]

01:51:09   your stick like he's getting old maybe [TS]

01:51:11   he's maybe he's become soft and maybe he [TS]

01:51:13   will like the dough like I was thick and [TS]

01:51:15   just get by on me the luxurious the [TS]

01:51:18   luxurious interior and the sound of the [TS]

01:51:20   engine and he just won't even miss [TS]

01:51:21   shifting I mean it is possible it [TS]

01:51:23   certainly is possible but I still come [TS]

01:51:25   down a marco side so far but I mean if [TS]

01:51:28   and when I ever get it to spin in this [TS]

01:51:29   which to be honest I'm assuming will [TS]

01:51:31   never happen you can go take a test [TS]

01:51:33   drive at a dealer right now yeah I [TS]

01:51:35   suppose that's true but it's you know [TS]

01:51:36   it's a lot different to test drive the [TS]

01:51:39   2018 Accord people are loving the little [TS]

01:51:41   stubby shifter it's the same one from [TS]

01:51:42   the Type R I'll get right on that [TS]

01:51:45   you should oh and when you go to a [TS]

01:51:46   dealer and test drive this don't tell [TS]

01:51:48   them you're a car journalist because [TS]

01:51:50   then they won't let you test drive it [TS]

01:51:51   that's true [TS]

01:51:52   really we saw your Twitter bar Twitter [TS]

01:51:55   bio sir I really should change my [TS]

01:51:59   Twitter bio shouldn't I anyway that's my [TS]

01:52:05   story but it was if even if this is my [TS]

01:52:07   own my lone foray into car journalism [TS]

01:52:11   it's been a tremendous amount of fun and [TS]

01:52:13   I felt very fancy and very very very [TS]

01:52:17   cool and and part of a small club anyway [TS]

01:52:21   stood on a Jeep well you can't win them [TS]

01:52:25   all John Syracuse oh you can't win them [TS]

01:52:27   all so I'm to let a Mercedes Porsche [TS]

01:52:31   Bentley Ferrari know I'm available for [TS]

01:52:34   for test drives I will tell the world [TS]

01:52:37   about in your nob feel I'm surprised [TS]

01:52:40   you're not soliciting the the NSX I [TS]

01:52:43   would like to try an LFA if anyone has [TS]

01:52:45   one of those available hanging around [TS]

01:52:47   just hanging out yeah when you're not [TS]

01:52:51   using you don't like it anymore send it [TS]

01:52:52   my way willing in the chat has one of [TS]

01:52:56   these in white just FYI he just put Ali [TS]

01:52:58   I'm assuming he just put a link in the [TS]

01:53:01   in the chat room you are not allowed to [TS]

01:53:03   buy it in white I've read is the only [TS]

01:53:05   color for this car I'm sorry twelve it [TS]

01:53:07   comes in two different Reds oh they look [TS]

01:53:09   the same red but for some reason you can [TS]

01:53:12   get it either in red or you can spend [TS]

01:53:14   $2,000 or more and get it in the same [TS]

01:53:15   red there's no which one is the more [TS]

01:53:17   expensive one the darker one I think [TS]

01:53:19   it's the difference one of them is try [TS]

01:53:21   coat competi [TS]

01:53:23   Sione and one of them is just regular [TS]

01:53:25   red your Italian pronunciation is [TS]

01:53:28   befitting Aveiro hi origins go ahead [TS]

01:53:32   John tell it tell us how it's supposed [TS]

01:53:34   to be pronounced I don't know but not [TS]

01:53:35   phonetically when you know you like it's [TS]

01:53:37   not saying vocally Oh like I say that [TS]

01:53:40   Jesus is a nosy Siragusa circus [TS]

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