The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► my favorite has to be Jazzercise boot [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► camp boot camp but like I'm like no let [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► me try something more relevant and [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► Jazzercise came out which is not it's [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► the same that's more relevant you know [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► like in the moment I'm like come up with [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► something better than aerobics aerobics [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► is so 80s and Jazzercise like nope [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► didn't do it is Jazzercise like a real [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► thing that people do or have done Oh [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Jazzercise was real as a heart attack [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► yes is it still like yes what though [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► what is it is just exercising to jazz [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► music what actually is it I have no idea [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► I didn't know it was still going on I [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► remember it in the 80s I haven't seen it [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► in years [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► I am almost sure there's a Jazzercise [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► clinic or whatever you would call it [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► near us it's still real in the south [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► obviously where where they live decades [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► behind us culturally and intellectually [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► John why do you have to be original [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► workout 80s video oh my god [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► yeah oh wow Jazzercise comm is still a [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► thing and I will add that there is a [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► Jazzercise clinic whatever you call it [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► in Richmond is this like what Richard [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► Simmons did basically no specific thing [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► it's got it involves jazz Versailles we [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► have a st. Jude fundraiser update at the [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► time in which we record it if memory [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► serves we were challenging everyone to [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► see if we could get to 20,000 dollars I [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► believe what's the total we wanted what [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► was it currently at when we said that it [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► was like it's like 16 or 17 something [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► better right yeah it was like between 17 [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► and 19 I think so 20 was I think close [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► to 17 Tony was certainly attainable but [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► I mean $3,000 was a pretty fair bit of [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► money [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► so we had challenged everyone hey can we [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► get to 20 and within I think 24 hours [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► probably 12 hours of you releasing the [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► final version of the show we blew past [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► 20 which is an excellent problem to have [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► so then I got on Twitter and I believe [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► one or both of you had had chimed in on [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► this and I just said okay let's see if [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► we can do 25 and I felt like 25 is a [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► pretty good reach goal when you're just [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► now hitting 20 and we blew past 25 at [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► this point I feel I felt like I didn't [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► want to be like I didn't want to be [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► obnoxious about it so I kind of cooled [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► off on my solicitations and it might [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► have been for the best because without [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► any solicitations on my part as [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► we record thirty three thousand two [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► hundred and fifty eight dollars holy [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► monkey that's amazing pretty great I am [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► so I'm genuinely so proud and excited [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► obviously this is not strictly a TP [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► listeners not not by a long shot but if [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► there certainly seemed to be a pretty [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► heavy upswing in activity after the [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► episode released and that makes that [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► genuinely makes me extremely happy [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► the Hackett family is is you know very [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► dear friends of ours and more [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► importantly this is going to help all [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► kinds of kids with cancer and you don't [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► have to stop the donations at the end of [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► the month this episode should be [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► released right at the end of the month [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► and that's when Steven concentrates on [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► it but there is no reason you can't [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► donate again or more or if you haven't [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► donated yet do a little now so I would [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► love to see this you know get even [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► higher but thirty three thousand 2058 [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► dollars that is not all ATP but it is at [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► least in part ATP so thank you everyone [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► who through a little bit of your money [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► toward trying to get rid of childhood [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► cancer that's that's super awesome we're [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► not I know we're not reminding people [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► that if we said if they passed 20k we [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► would try to come up with a word to [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► describe ATP vans the best answer we got [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► there was tabs because there are [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► thousands of them definitely not I'm not [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► saying we should use it but it was [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► definitely the funniest answer better [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► than eighty peons and eighty peeps both [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► of which are worse than tabs but tabs is [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► also pretty bad I'm still thinking about [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► it I feel like we should fulfill this [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► promise but I'm not gonna settle I'm not [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► gonna be like well it's the best we can [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► come up with nope not gonna settle Marco [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► and I are already prepared to settle I [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► don't like tabs at all but I could [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► settle on eighty peons and eighty or [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► eighty peeps [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► no no eighty peons is insulting and deep [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► peep says as eighty peep says too many [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► gross things the only one I've come for [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► so far [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► oh yeah that's like force touch yeah so [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► here's what I've come up with so far and [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► I'm not saying this is good but this is [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► the best I've got so far in my in my [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► processing she was why what is this a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► reference I'm missing she so Sheila's is [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► the generic word I believe some [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► Australian can tell me for for women [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► in Australia for a woman in Australia [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► Celia Celia a woman or a girl right and [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► Sheila's but you just out but it doesn't [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► mean that your female listeners this is [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► a generic term it's gender-neutral also [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► the tank in red versus blue is a long [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► time ago anyway but that's not a great [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► one but it's the best I've come up with [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► so far and it's mostly just it's it's [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► mostly just me me being angry about [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► Tim's on hello it's 100% what it is but [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► I also think it's fun exercise to allow [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► a group of what we consider to be almost [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► entirely men who listen to the show just [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► doing the idea of being referred to by a [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► in a word that implies a gender that [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► doesn't match yours and that you're just [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► supposed to eat it and say well it's a [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► gender-neutral term it's fine I respect [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► the effort yeah same here and I agree [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► with you on the on principle however [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► it's also terrible agree it's not a good [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► name for listeners unfortunately so far [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► all of the options that we have seen so [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► far are terrible so I think it's [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► probably safe to say we probably just [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► won't be named in our listeners [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► engineering like it's because every [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► option people suggest it was awful I [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► know anyway we wanted a name that really [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► is gender agnostic we could call all the [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► listeners Kasey's that's true [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► I know cases of both genders mmm no [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► because I think Casey has a connotation [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► and B says they're not all cases they [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► don't what if they identify as a Marco [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► there what if they're not I Miranda what [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► if they're a Samantha I understood that [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► represents everybody [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► Casey is we've been told on a number of [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► occasions that Casey represents well [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► they use a gender term but usually for [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► this but they say Casey represents the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► every man every woman don't think [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► there's woman every woman is a [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► gender-neutral term who knows but I [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► understand the point you're driving at [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► Marco which is that most people will say [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► I wish I was Marco or I wish I was John [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► but in actuality I'm Casey which is both [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► flattering and kind of depressing Holly [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► what people wish they were Casey now - [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► because he's got a fancy SUV and a BMW [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► the work sometimes doesn't currently [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► work with the current state I have [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► driven it only once in the last week and [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► that is going to be [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► we have we have after-show stuff to [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► discuss about that yeah okay we yes if [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► you looked at the show notes Marco there [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► is some after there's some after show [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► things to discuss [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► anyway so we should continue with her [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► follow-up I I am it's funny that this [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► show this episode of the show is really [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► a roller coaster kids because I was on [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► the highest of highs with regard to the [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► st. Jude donations however now I'm at [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► the lowest of lows because I was hoping [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► that nobody would discover which I [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► understand I just hold on this I was [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► hoping no one would discover that the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► Apple TV 4k does indeed have a fan and [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► of course it was going to be discovered [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I understand that but like in my fantasy [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► world I was hoping that nobody would [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► know or that John would never find out [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► he would go on the Todd Vaziri full [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► media blackout with regard to the Apple [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► TV fan because I bet you it is so damn [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► quiet that you'll never hear it but now [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► that you know it's there [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► oh you're gonna hear it because you know [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► last week last week where I said they'd [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► be 4k has no fan why did I say that [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► because I asked on the show before that [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► I asked hey is anybody can anybody [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► answer these questions for him because I [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► had asked around and no one had been [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► able to answer me and the person who [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► sent me this answer claimed to work at [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► Apple and I believe this person cuz we [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► get a lot of email people who work at [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that ball and they said that was it [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► before kay has no fan [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► they also said this stuff about 24 [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► frames per second it happened to be [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► correct and so I wrote the person back [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► I'm like well oops yes looks like you're [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► wrong on that one and this person didn't [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► say hi just kidding I don't really work [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► at Apple I was just pulling your leg [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► but they said and said was the same [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► thing that Marco and Jason Snell said [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► when I asked them about is they both had [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► Apple TV for Kay's in their possession [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► and asked them hey guys does it have a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► fan and this was also this was before I [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► fix it to the teardown [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► so yes hi sir I searched online beat to [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► try to answer your question just to make [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► sure Li because anyone's hair down to [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► just verify this and there hadn't been [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► one yet so the best they could do is [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna open [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► mine up so my car let me let me just [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► guess let me look at it [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► or listen to it anyway I was Casey to [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► your point I've been checking the iFixit [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► site since like oh I know you know after [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► right after it right after the keynote [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► because I'm like [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► maybe someone got a review units maybe I [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► fix this tearing apart you know because [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► I was actually actively looking at I fix [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► it like everyday to see for a teardown [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► but I knew two people who had this thing [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► so I asked them to confirm and they both [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► either said I I don't think so [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► I can't tell or it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► like there's a fan and so when I had the [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► Apple employee say definitively there's [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► no fan I believe and the this Apple [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► employees excuse was that they couldn't [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► tell that they couldn't they thought [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► there was no fan because they couldn't [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► hear anything because it was totally [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► silent so they're like yeah my bad so [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► anyway like it's suspicious because when [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you look at the bottom of it it has a [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► round pattern of air holes the previous [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► one had a solid bottom it seemed to have [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► no ventilation at all and that's why [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► this came up by the way because I was [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► tipped off either during or right after [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► the keynote of a public document an [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► apple site that showed like the the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► lineart [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► like view of the thing showing the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► measurements and stuff and it showed the [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► holes and it's like holes what does that [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► mean here I was like I was I was using [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► the Apple TV like letting it play [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► content and I lift it up and I I hear [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► nothing I like I muted the sound so I'd [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► would be a quiet room lifted up I hear [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► nothing I put my hand under events to [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► try to see if I could feel air movement [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► I felt nothing and I was like well one [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► of these holes for me maybe it's just [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► passively cooling by convection using [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► these holes like with a big heat sink [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► inside who knows but I'm like I'm like I [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► really don't think there's a fan here [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► but it is weird there's these holes in a [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► circular pattern here that would be [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► perfect if you had a fan behind it but I [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► could feel or hear nothing yeah and I'm [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► not quite sure even after seeing the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► teardown like you know a convection or a [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► passive cooling with holes like that [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► makes traffic sounds a lot of things we [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► don't like that but there's no holes on [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► the top of this right it's only holes on [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► the bottom yeah it seems like there's no [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► intake holes but so my theory here like [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► if you ever done any kind of like you [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► know PC building with heatsink design [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► you know that or just if you have better [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► grasp on science than me you probably [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► already know this as well but but you [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► know that like you know a passive just a [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► heatsink with no fan on it when you [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► compare the cooling power of that to a [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► heatsink that has even a little slight [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► bit of air movement being pushed over it [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► it's a huge difference like even you can [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► have a fan running at incredibly low [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► speed and that will make a big [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► difference [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► for instance from having no fan at all [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► so I'm guessing this fan is probably [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► dynamically controlled first of all so I [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► bet when I felt nothing under there I [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► bet it actually wasn't spinning or it [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► was spinning at a ridiculously low speed [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► and maybe only if you're like really [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► pushing it hard like using 3d stuff in a [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► game maybe that's when it spins up but [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► like playing 4k video it was not doing [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► anything noticeable so I'm guessing it's [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► just a very low speed fan that might [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► have even not been spinning at all [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► during that during video playback [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► I bet it's always spending but that's [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► just a guess but anyway when I get this [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► thing I will tell you if I can hear it [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► and the reason you should believe me [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► that oh no it's because marco sent me an [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► airport router that he didn't want [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► that has a fan in and i was like off and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► i knew it had a fan in it I'm like I [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► don't know if I want this thing with the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► fan he sent it to me and as I think I [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► said on the show when I got it it has a [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► fan but the only way I can hear it is [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► that I literally shove my ear like so it [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► is touching the bottom of the device [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that is the only and I can hear it when [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► I do that I can hear that it's turning [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► but in every other scenario I cannot [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► hear not like oh I can hear it family [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► you can turn off every device in my [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► house close all the windows make sure [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► everything is dead silent and I can be [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► two feet away from it and I can't hear a [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► damn thing so if the Apple TV is even [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► remotely is quiet because it is like 10 [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► feet away from me it might in my TV [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► entertainment center it'll be fine that [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► said if I put it up to my ear and [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► actually physically touched in my ear I [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► expect to be able to hear it if the fan [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► is moving so we'll see I'm gonna get [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► mine mine's delivering next week so next [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► show I will be able to give you an [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► answer mmm-hmm I'm skeptical I feel like [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► you've been but I think it's like I'm [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► getting on this I won't care if I can [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► hear it when I put up to me air because [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► I can't hear what if I can't hear it the [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► same thing I don't care about my airport [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► thing I don't care that I can shove that [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► to my ear it's not you know it's not a [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► communicator that's I have to jam it to [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► my ear it's way over there so I'm [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► perfectly happy to have fans that I [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► literally can't hear we'll see I expect [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► the truth the whole truth and nothing [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► but the truth I will give it to you I [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► wasn't imarco like stick a toothpick in [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► there and if something hits it great [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► idea this is before they had the [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► teardown I'm like look is there a fan [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► there is there no fan is there a fan [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► that you can't hear or is there [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► literally no fan [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► we know the answer we just don't know [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► whether it's spinning all the time yadda [TS]

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00:14:12 ◼   ► if you are out somewhere or you're [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► traveling and you need access to a file [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► on your computer you can just restore it [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► on to your phone it's wonderful for iOS [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► and Android [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► they of course also have web restoring [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► so you can restore stuff with a more [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► traditional way onto computers for quick [TS]

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00:15:01 ◼   ► tell me about downloading movies from [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► iTunes is that a thing [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► on this box not 4k ones apparently this [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► is for Apple support document you can [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► download a local copy of an HD movie by [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► the way I hate the fact that they Qi [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► doesn't refer to 4k because what is 4k [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► if not high definition or even higher [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► definition anyway what is HiFi yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and you might be able to download I hope [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► this this is the [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► you can download a local copy of HD [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► movie and you might be able to download [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► HDR and dolby vision versions what do [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► you mean I might like maybe you'll let [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► me maybe you won't [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that's from Apple support document it [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► says you might be able to do this yes [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► maybe summer download right it says then [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► finally the last Clause but you can't [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► download a 4k version now why can't I [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► download a 4k version I have some [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► theories in this the one theory that [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► people have put forward is like oh the [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► 4k versions are too big and he has [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► previously discussed and lamented [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► theoretical fixed size where you can [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► download stuff is not big enough to fit [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► a single 4k movie or it would take up [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► all the space right it's like oh there's [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► too big download I don't think that's [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► the case especially if they're they're a [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► TVC they shouldn't be that much you know [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► they shouldn't be like 50 gigabytes [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► versus 5 they should be bigger than the [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► HD ones but not like so big that you [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► can't download a single one of them [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► although maybe they just say look one of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► them is so big it would take up all your [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► space and we don't want to do that right [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► another possibility is that as always [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► yeah I always have this as a possibility [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► is that content owners are stupid and [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► like you know we can't let them download [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► the 4k version because then people might [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► be able to pirate our movies and as long [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► as we stop them from downloading the 4k [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► DRM ik encumbered version of our movies [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► to their Apple TVs there's no way anyone [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► will ever pirate this movie and will be [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► safe from piracy so please don't let [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► anybody download like that's definitely [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► it that's definitely the answer like [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► it's such a dumb thing like so in this [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► day and age where people you know anyway [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► we don't know why but the bottom line is [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► if you were thinking that you're going [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► to be able to get to buy the Big Apple [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► TV so that you could download a 4k movie [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and then watch it offline on your Apple [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► TV you will not be able to because the [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► Apple TV will not download the 4k [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► versions of movies to local storage it [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► will only stream it that's dumb [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► I don't like it so once again why is the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► 64 gig version what they up the limits [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► by the way on games it used to be like [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► you could download like 200 megabytes [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► and then you could download chunks of [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► on-demand content they upped it way more [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► so then you can download like a gigabyte [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► or more or something anyway in theory [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► you could make very large games in [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► Apple's fantasy world of the Apple TV as [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► an actual gaming console you could fill [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► the whole thing with games so tell me [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► about bootcamp because Randy Garcia has [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► written in [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► to point out to us that as we kiss was [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► John I think brought up airpower as a [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► kind of military term that's being used [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► by Apple as a product name which by the [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► way somebody did we talked about this [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► last episode somebody said it should [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► have been called apple juice somebody on [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► Twitter said this like right when it was [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► announced and I think that would have [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► been a terrible but much better name at [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► the same time but that would have been [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► hilarious but anyway so so Randy [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► Garcia's written in to say that boot [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► camp is another military term that Apple [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► is used in somebody maybe Randy has [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► provided a deeply troubling video of [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► Steve Jobs many years ago trying to act [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► do you want to tell us about this John [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► yeah boot camp is the one hadn't thought [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► of it's a good thing a good because I [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► couldn't recall a single or Apple [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► product that had military determinant [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► although I would say that boot camp has [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► got have been co-opted and made secular [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► secular sort of non military civilian [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► yeah made civilian in a way that air [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► power has not because now you have like [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► you know they have Jazzercise boot camps [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► and programming boot camps and [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► everything is a boot camp like it's [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► basically just a training place and I [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► guess they're still riffing on the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► military one but anyway the other thing [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► is i disqualified because it is internal [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► only company communication and I don't [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► know if you've if you work at a big [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► company you've probably experienced [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► communication targeted made by [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► corporations targeted at their own [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► employees and they're usually pretty [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► awful and you may think that Apple is an [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► exception but I can tell you that bond [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► the 80s and 90s definitely was not an [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► exception there is a vast collection of [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► internal audio and video content created [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► by Apple for Apple's employees only [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► that is cringe-worthy and hilarious and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► someone's good fun to write it's usually [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► just a bunch of engineers or a bunch of [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► people in HR making a video with like [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► 80s video technology like they didn't [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► they didn't have an iMac with iMovie on [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► it they had like you know Betamax and [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► VHS and probably fancier professional [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► video stuff and they didn't have actors [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► they had just like their employees and I [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► think the one in question is Steve Jobs [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► are tending to be FDR or [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► I believe that's right I think it was [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► FDR anyway you can watch in YouTube if [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► you want to be said about internal [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► corporate communications but rest [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► assured Apple was no exception and [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► probably continues to be no exception [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► that they can make cool things [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► externally but their internal facing [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► corporate videos are not quite at the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► same standard our final piece of follow [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► up today is from a friend of the show [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► Sam but well submit who is of the wheel [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► bearings podcast this is all going to [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► come up again later in the after show [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► this was with regard to our comments [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► about the Acura TLX that I had driven or [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► excuse me had ridden in he wrote to us [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► to say with regard to the comments about [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► the DCT the torque converters mounted [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► between the flywheel and the dual clutch [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► pack and intended to provide some torque [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► multiplication and smooth out the shifts [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► a bit it's work but it's nothing to get [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► worked up about and he provided a link [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► to some more info that strikes me as [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► super freakin weird like the whole [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► reason I tend to hate automatics is [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► because of that like that mushy feeling [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► that a torque converter brings and I [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► understand the motivation here the [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► motivation makes sense but it's just [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► you're taking away the one thing I love [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► about a DCT which is that I feel it [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► feels more direct to me than a [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► traditional automatic the one but if I [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► could see here is that when you're [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► driving a DCT the shifting between like [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► first and second like when you drew it [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► when you're going at low speeds and then [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► you're using like first and second gear [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► that can be very jerky just like if you [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► do it in a stick you know if you're [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► selling into a market that is accustomed [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► to automatics that might feel too jerky [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► to them yeah if you're selling to sick [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► people it's gonna feel perfectly awesome [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► and normal but if you're stiff you're [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► selling to automatic people I see why [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► they would do that I agree with you [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► though that like at that point why not [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► just use you know really good eight or [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► nine speed Auto and maybe that's why [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► they're premium option is just a nine [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► area to beat auto like and but again [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► like I would prefer a DCT that's just a [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► DCT without anything in front of it but [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► I do see like for the market they're [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► selling why they do that but it just [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► doesn't make sense to me that they would [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► bother with a DCT at all at that point I [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► think there's a limitation of current D [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► cities that they can't be that smooth [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► down at low speeds right because if [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► someone using a manual can be right they [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► just slip the clutch more like you could [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► yeah start and stop as smooth as you [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► want and apparently that's not within [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► the realm of not within the functional [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► envelope of modern DC's most of which [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► are tuned shift very fast like it the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► you know for at the higher speeds like [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► but not so much tuned for creeping out [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► of parking lot and rounding the corner [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► around a residential Road and you get a [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► little bit of a bump and the TLX again [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► trying to split the difference between [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► the tsx and the TL and erroring on the [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► side of being boring as always went [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► further they went for it like the most [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► important thing is not to jostle the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► occupants so they took a sporty [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► transmission and put a little bit of [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► slush in between it in the wheels to [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► smooth things out at low speeds maybe it [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► would be better if like if that if the [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► torque converter wasn't a factor at [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► higher speeds or anything but either way [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► like it's such a sort of Frankenstein [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► setup that yeah it is it does seem much [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► cleaner to either I've lucky either got [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► an automatic or you go stick or a DCT [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and they all have their own behaviors [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► and trying to combine them into sort of [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► a hybrid suspension with the best of all [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► worlds is just kind of papering over the [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► flaws like it used to be when we had [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► single clutch automated manuals that [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► they were super rough right and there [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► was slow shifting and very jerky and a [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► dual clutch really helped because you [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► could have the other gear set ready to [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► go and swap very quickly without the [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► harshness right but apparently there's [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► still problems at low speed and so I [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► feel like in you know another 5-10 years [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► they work out the details and ECC's [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► maybe they won't need a hack like this [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► but anyway like it's not a great car [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► anyway should there are a lot of better [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► choices in that question that we've now [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► lost all of the listeners who don't [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► really care about cars so sorry everyone [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► you can come back now we're back and [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► we're gonna talk ask ATP so let's begin [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► with Colin we're who writes John's rant [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► about tech people forgetting betas that [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► forgetting that betas are betas reminded [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► me of a question I have a lot of the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► times on iOS betas I will find bugs and [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► apps that I report to developers to say [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► hey this doesn't work on the iOS 11 beta [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► I usually get a response along the line [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► so if yes this is a beta betas aren't [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► supported and then I'll often see rants [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► from people like top BOTS paul [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► complaining about people saying things [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► are broken on betas but an inherent part [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► of the beta experience is reporting bugs [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► in fact that's the reason betas exist so [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► if I want to be a good citizen and beta [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► user and report issues I find how can I [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► do it without annoying [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► this is pretty simple really so you know [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► when you're on a beta keep in mind that [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► in some cases the developer has I've had [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► time to fix the bug that you are [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► reporting because like the beta just [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► came out and they got at the same time [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► you did in a lot of cases the developer [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► can't fix the bug that you're reporting [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► until the GM SDK comes out which could [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► be months later right before the GM [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► Arena right before the the version is [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► released to the public so mainly because [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► you we can't submit builds to the App [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► Store that use the beta SDK until the GM [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► is out the apps won't accept them so if [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► you're telling someone that this is [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► broken in the form of like a complaint [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► like I demand that you fix us quickly [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► dammit that's really frustrating for [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► developers to hear because they they [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► probably you know had they probably know [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► about that already and they probably [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► can't fix it yet or have had a chance to [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► fix it yet and they you know it doesn't [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► really matter because it still a beta if [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► you are trying to leave it asked to [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► review in some ways fortunately iOS has [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► has prevented this in recent versions [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► like usually you aren't you aren't able [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► to leave reviews from betas anymore from [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► beta iOS anymore which is nice that [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► would also be a thing not to do but if [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► you're just telling somebody in a civil [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► way like hey there's this bug I I [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► thought you might want to know about it [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► that's totally fine and we as developers [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► need that and I appreciate that that's [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► good so as long as it's not a one-star [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► review or using the tone or freezing of [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► like a complaint that you expect it to [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► be fixed all of a sudden it's fine well [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► I think the key part here is like how do [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► I be a good beta user and what are you [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► Abeyta userupp if you're a beta user of [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► the operating system you should report [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it be reporting bugs to Apple not to [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► third-party developers the only way you [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► should be reporting bugs to third-party [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► developers is if you are on like the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► overcast beta and Marco wants to know [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► here's a beta of overcast how does it [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► work and in that case mark will probably [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► tell you I want you to test this beta on [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► a released version of the operating [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► system right because know no third-party [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► developers are going to support their [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► applications on unreleased versions of [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► the operating system they're gonna they [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► may ask they may use it themselves and [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► ask their beta testers to use it but [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► they really want to know how is this [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► going to work on the real release [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► version so if you're not a beta tester [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► of the application you're reporting bugs [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► on you don't have to feel like you have [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► to be a good beta citizen because you [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► not on that beta if your beta testing [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► iOS the way to be a good citizen is [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► report bugs you find in the OS now does [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► Apple want to know that some third-party [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► application you have doesn't work on it [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► probably not but you know it's a giant [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► black hole throw over whatever bug [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► reports you want let them do with what [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► they want but I would say that what [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► Apple is looking for are bugs in the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► operating system itself of which they [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► are usually plenty and if you want to be [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► a good basis and you want to report bugs [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► do that right but and if you want to [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► report bugs on a third-party iOS apps [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► talk to the developer and say hey can I [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► be on your beta program the next time [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► you have a beta ready send it to me and [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► I will try it and report bugs and they [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► would appreciate that everything John [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► just said is wrong thank you Wow what [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► are you trying to say you don't you [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► don't want people to report bugs and [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► overcast or you want them to report bugs [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► about your application doesn't work on [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► beta OSS the idea that I would only want [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► bug reports from overcast beta users is [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► completely wrong well no but like I'm [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► saying if you want to be a good beta if [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► you want to be a good beta citizen like [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► they're not a beta citizen if they're [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► not using like how would they even get [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► to overcast beta if they're not on your [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► beta you see I'm saying no but like if [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► you if you're using my app on a beta OS [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► and you run into a bug I would like to [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► know about that chances are I probably [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► already know about it [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► but what if I don't you know my beta [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► groups are really small and most of the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► time I don't have a current beta running [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► so I want to know about that stuff and [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► the idea that you should only report [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► bugs on the OS if you're testing an OS [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► beta is totally wrong I don't know any [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► developer who wouldn't want those [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► reports well that's how you'd be a good [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► that's how you be a good beta citizen [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► because you're testing a beta of the OS [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► tap BOTS Paul apparently doesn't want to [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► hear your complaints about their broken [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► things because they know they're broken [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► on the beta one oh but again it's it's [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► an it's I think it's a difference of [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► tone it's a difference of like hey just [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► you know this is broken versus I demand [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► that you fix this you know it's it's [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► that's a very different tone and one of [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► them is is helpful and one of them is [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► not I think it even just reporting [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► especially if it's a well-known bug or [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► reporting it like it is almost no way to [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► say it if it's the if you were the nine [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► print and that hundredth person telling [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► somebody to their app crashes on launch [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► in the iOS loving beta like there's [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► almost no way you can say that it's not [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► going to eventually Drive you [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► and I feel like I don't think that's a [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► particularly useful thing to be doing [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► like especially with something like [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► crashes on launch if the developer [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► doesn't know that they don't care about [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the app anymore and it's hopeless right [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► chances are good they know it crashes on [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► launch and they're addressing it well [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► what if it only crashes on launch on a [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► phone you don't use you know like this [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► that's why I like these I can't think of [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► a situation where I would not want those [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► reports even if I'm getting 100 of them [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► then then I'll tweet from the account [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► saying hey just so you know I know about [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► this thanks for your reports then you [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► could not report the same thing again [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► but like you know if if something like [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► that happens I want to know to be a good [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► citizen how about don't expect a [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► response if the developer is getting [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► tons of them then they won't be able [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► respond to all of them but like yeah by [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► all means please tell us we need like [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► that's the point of betas even if they [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► aren't our software in beta even if it's [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► the OS software in beta [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► we still need to know that's again that [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► kind of stuff I think we need to survey [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► more developers to ask them if they [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► really want people testing their [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► applications on beta OSS and giving them [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► bug reports because I have almost always [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► heard the opposite that please do not do [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► not send me reports of how my [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► application doesn't work on a beta [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► version of the OS because it's not like [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► it's almost like a support function [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► don't contact me through support [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► channels if you're not on my beta to [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► tell me that my application doesn't work [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► in a beta OS like they just don't want [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► to hear it and maybe they're just [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► frustrated maybe you're right it's just [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► about tone and all I ever hear is the [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► frustrated complaint and really it's [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► super valuable for them and they just [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► eventually reach their limit and snap [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► but I've always heard the opposite not [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► that I'm sending these reports by the [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► way you save for the podcast [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► I haven't being a good business and I [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► don't even send Apple the bug reports [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► Mike Paul writes to ask do you think ap [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► FS will be supported on fusion drives in [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► future builds of High Sierra so chief [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► summarizer in chief summary a p FS was [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► supported on fusion drives which are [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► these kind of weirdo scenarios where you [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► have a spinning disk and a SSD that is [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► kind of melded to be one volume i'm sure [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► i'm that's not going to satisfy john but [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► for the purposes of this conversation [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► all you need to know and so they were [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► supported in betas of high sierra and [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► then when the GM happened oh just [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► kidding [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► there is no [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► fusion drive support for you so you're [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► gonna have to reformat to hfs+ if you [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► want to go to high sierra so the [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► question is do you think I guess John do [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► you think that this will be supported in [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► future builds yes I do because Apple has [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► shipped a lot of fusion drives and I [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► think they don't want any of us hanging [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► around and they almost had it working so [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► they'll eventually get it working hi I [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► expected what is future how many points [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► do we have to go through how difficult [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► is it I don't know but I do expect it [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► I'll be surprised if if it's not [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► supported also Craig federighi sent an [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► email to somebody allegedly saying yes [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► the company's coming in a future version [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► basically there you go Oh fair enough [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► all right well that's it for asked ATP [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► as always you can tweet your questions [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► with the hashtag ask ATP and our magic [TS]

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00:31:46 ◼   ► pressure with continued apologies to dip [TS]

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00:31:49 ◼   ► you need to apologize [TS]

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00:33:14 ◼   ► all right so uh it sounds like all three [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► households have received new toys in the [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► last week although not all three hosts [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► so the Apple watch Series three is out [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► they have been received as of this past [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► Friday by those who had pre-ordered [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► basically at the obscene hour of 3:00 in [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the morning if you live on the east [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► coast like all three of us do so all [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► three households have received them [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► Marco you and/or tiff have one how many [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► how many did you get for the two of you [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► all just one tifus I didn't want one [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► okay and then I got one for myself and [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► actually Aaron got a non sell one for [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► her although for Aaron and TIFF by the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► way what were their reasons for saying [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► they don't want so well TIFF decided she [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► didn't want the watch at all for Aaron [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► there is never a time she expects to be [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► that far away from her phone to justify [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► spending the extra money each month and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► Aaron Aaron likes her watch I think it's [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► fair to say but doesn't love her watch [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► she she views it mostly as a second [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► screen in terms of notifications and [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► very little else and so because of that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► she didn't seem to think it was worth [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► the extra money each month and if she [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► wasn't in if she knew she was never ever [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► ever going to pay for cell service then [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► why bother paying the extra money for [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► the cell radio but she did want a new [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► watch then she's got a new one just her [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► current watch is slow or you thought she [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► should just get one so you feel less bad [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► about getting expensive new watch all of [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► the above her current watch her or a [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► previous now watch was a series zero as [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► was mine and it was slow and she has the [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► 38 millimeters the battery life was [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► getting to be comically bad after the [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► court in over the course of two years [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► which is just some degrees to be [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► expected and I was spending a whole [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► bunch of money on my fancy new watch and [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► I figured you know if I'm gonna get a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► fancy new watch then she should get a [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► fancy new watch that's because but the [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► solution to spending money and feeling [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► guilty about is just spend more money [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► yeah exactly [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► well yeah this is the Marco approach and [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► now the KC approach it's in have I [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► taught you nothing [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► and so anyway say yes so your wife [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► hazard has not received hers yet she has [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► not received it's a birthday gift okay [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► so I won't be able to ask you about your [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► experience then but I will start by [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► asking Marco because I suspect you will [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► not have too much to say about this [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► famous last words what is your [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► experience what is your experience been [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► with your Apple watch Series three with [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► LTE I have not really used the LTE yet [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► because I mainly got the LTE so I could [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► build overcast with it when the API lets [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► me do that and I hope that is soon and [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► but that is the main reason I got it [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► because I know because all of my [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► customers were asking for it so I [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► figured I should I need that for testing [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► but the the for the rest of the series [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► three it's fantastic [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► I mean it's the the way that the keynote [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► phrased the speed improvements it didn't [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► sound like it was that big of a [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► difference in sound like it was like an [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► incremental speed update it's not it's a [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► massive speed upgrade from even the [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► series to which itself [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► I know answers one which themselves were [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► massive speed upgrades from the original [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► series zero if you still have a series [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► II row and you are at all thinking about [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► upgrading upgrade it is an incredibly [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► fast device now not to the but not not [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► like phone speed like it's not that [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► you're never waiting for anything but [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► compared to where it was it's a huge [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► speed upgrade yep I would agree with [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► that and I'd also like to quickly double [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► down and say that the battery life [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► improvement for me anyway has also been [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► tremendous so I completely agree with [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► you if you're listening to this and you [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► have a series zero watch and that's the [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► only one I have experience with I can't [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► speak for series one or series two if [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► you have a series zero watch and you're [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► thinking yeah maybe it's time it's time [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► because this is way better both speed [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► wise as Marco said and in my experience [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► so far in battery life as well [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► keep in mind also with battery life I [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► was thing about the other day like the [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► Apple watch is so dependent on having [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► adequate battery life like if your watch [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► dies in the middle of the day that [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► really makes it a lot less useful to you [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► like if it can't make it the hole and [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► this is one of the reasons why Apple is [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► so conservative about how it spends its [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► power budget now that's one of the [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► reasons why the OS is so limited by apps [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► unlimited because you know if your phone [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► dies [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► you know 3/4 of the way through a day [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► you can plug it in somewhere for a few [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► minutes then and then get back to using [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► it again with your watch that's really [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► in communion sites like take it off put [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► it somewhere you probably not even have [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► a lot of extra chargers for it because [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► they're this separate thing it's kind of [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► a pain it's this giant magnetic disk [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► thing so like you know most people are [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► gonna have one charger it's gonna be [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► like next to their bed at night so if [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► your battery life sinks down to the [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► point where it can't make it a full day [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► that dramatically reduces your happiness [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► and the usefulness of that device so [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► because these batteries degrade over [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► time I suspect that a lot of people are [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► going to be replacing them about every 2 [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► to 3 years even if they're totally happy [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► with them just because the battery will [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► start fading and it'll it'll cross the [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► point where it's no longer making it [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► through a full day for them and that's [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► gonna suck so if you have a series Eero [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► and this describes you which I've heard [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► that's this is roughly the time that's [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► that's really starting to happen with a [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► lot of the series zeros where the [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► battery is not making it anymore if you [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► have a series zero and you are at all [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► thinking about upgrading this is a good [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► time to do that and these are great I'm [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► incredibly happy with them yep I agree [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► I'm probably gonna have to upgrade [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► eventually to because even though I [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► don't wear my Apple watch except for a [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► few weeks a year I do wear it a few [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► weeks here and my series zero it's I [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► mean the battery is okay but it is it's [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► it's in rough shape like it's so angry [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► at me because I don't wear it I just [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► leave it on its charger sitting on my [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► you know dresser or whatever I tried to [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► upgrade to watch OS 4 which toking like [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► three days to complete because my phone [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► wouldn't connect to it or I would tell [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► me it's downloading it would say [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► download / zoom when you're connected to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► Wi-Fi when I was totally on a Wi-Fi I'm [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► like a foot from the Wi-Fi router and [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► everything is connected to Wi-Fi or it [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► said I can't connect to the phone but [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► the watch could ping the phone and say [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► it was connected I rebooted both devices [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► in the end what I had to do was wipe the [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► entire watch and start over and restore [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► from her backup it's the only way and [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► then I'm restoring from a watch OS 3 [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► backup and then once that got on then [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► finally I could upgrade to 4 which still [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► takes a year and Dave actually run but I [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► was I was glad to see that's that big [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► circular progress bar and the four-hour [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► wait for an upgrade so anyway now my [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► series 0 Apple watch is running the new [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► OS but I think I will actually buy a new [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► one I just I'm [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► really don't want to because I really [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► like the stainless-steel one and it [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► costs a tremendous amount of money and I [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► rarely wear it in the end I probably [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► will get a new one not this year but [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► like next year or the year after what [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► will happen is I'll go to WWC or go on [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► vacation one year and iWatch won't make [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► it through the day like Marco said and [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► I'll be like well that's it I've like [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► either either I don't have a Baba watch [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► anymore I have to buy a new one and in [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the end I'll probably buy any one but [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► not this year although who knows maybe [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► maybe seeing my wife he was here cool [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► cellular Dick Tracy watch it would [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► convince me that I should get one but I [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► doubt it yeah I mean it hey if you get [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► one you can switch back to your flip [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► phone yeah that's gonna have my flip [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► phone somewhere but I can't no and one [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► other thing on the speed to like I would [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► say you know again I guess it's it [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► doesn't make it like a super fast device [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► but this is I think this is the first [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► Apple watch that's not too slow yeah I [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► agree with all of that so I got my Apple [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► watch series three late-ish Friday I [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► typically go and my I do my exercise on [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► Monday Tuesday and Friday generally [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► speaking so it wasn't until this past [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► Monday and Tuesday that I was able to [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► try going for a run without my phone [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► which is kind of weird I mean I've only [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► been running semi consistently for a few [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► months it's not like I'm some expert you [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► know forever long runner and even in [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► just a few months I've gotten used to [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► having my phone either in my hand [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► careening out of my bum bag as I'm [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► trying to put it in set bag which is why [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► my screen broke or bouncing around on my [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► tailbone as it's in my sort of kind of [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► fanny pack hello the UK you mean your [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► sit bone yes yes that's totally it [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► except not at all [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► but anyway hey the the point is it was [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► it was very weird but immediately very [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► freeing not to have to carry my phone [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► which is super cool so I put in my air [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► pods [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► I had previously downloaded some music [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► onto my watch connected my ear pods to [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► my watch and I started listening to [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► music started to run and run keeper and [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► went on my run and it was really really [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► awesome there are some problems with [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► this though number one I want I don't [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► want to listen to music I want to listen [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► to podcasts I can barely keep up with [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► all my podcasts as it is and [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► running is a really great time for me to [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► plow through you know maybe one episode [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► or an episode and a half or whatever of [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► some of my favorite shows and if I don't [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► bring my phone that I'm not listening to [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► podcast and that's a bummer [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► so if only I knew the guy that uses my [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► other that writes my podcast client app [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► whatever of choice maybe I could put in [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► a good word with him about how I'd [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► really love some overcast watch support [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► and I understand what the problems are [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► and you wrote a really really great post [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► about it and then this week's under the [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► radar you talked about kind of the same [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► thing so as much as I joke I'm not [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► actually beating you up about it because [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► I know your hands are tied but please [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► PLEASE Apple give Marco the tools give [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► mark of the tools so we can have this [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► nice thing we just want nice things but [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► anyway we've already talked about the [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► battery life battery life is tremendous [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► as compared to previous I have gone on [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► not only a couple of runs with the watch [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► but also I have taken Declan to the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► little park that's within our [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► neighborhood a few times and generally [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► speaking in the past I brought my phone [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► which means I'm often tempted to look at [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► like Twitter or Instagram or whatever [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► instead of playing with Declan because [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► I'm a terrible father and not having my [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► phone with me makes it much harder to [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► look at Twitter or Instagram or [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► what-have-you because I don't have those [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► apps on my watch and that's been really [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► awesome what has been less awesome is [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► replying to text messages and things [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► like that because it seems that about [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► one time in 3 the text messages just the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► text message it just doesn't send and I [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► and when I say text message I mean both [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► iMessage and text message so that's kind [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► of a bummer kind of a big bummer yeah I [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► don't know if that's a I don't know if [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► that's a software problem I don't know [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► if it's a hardware problem I'm guessing [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► it's a software thing but that really [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► bums me out the other thing that's been [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► a little bit troubling is I have seen a [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► very small version of the bug that about [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► half of the reviewers hit insofar as as [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► I run I'm running in my neighborhood and [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► at one point or another I will pass the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► house because I start you know a little [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► bit past the house I run for a while [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► past the house again and that's where I [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► end I end where I started and I realized [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► as I as I was coming to the end of my [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► run which is close to the house but pass [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► house I was attempting to do something I [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► don't recall exactly what it was maybe I [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► was just seeing if what the status was [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► because this is all new to me and I'm [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► trying to figure out okay how long does [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► it take to get on the cell radio and [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► when does it fall off the cell radio etc [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► etc I noticed as I ran past the house it [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► picked up my Wi-Fi but then it it tried [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► to cling to it longer than it really [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► should have which I don't really blame [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► the device because it's of course going [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► to try to power off the cell radio and [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► it's of course going to try to hang on [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► to the Wi-Fi because that radio is far [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► less you know power expensive to to keep [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► on but what ended up happening was for [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► the last you know I don't know three [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► hundred yards of my run I had no [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► connectivity because it was still trying [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► to find the Wi-Fi that I had already run [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► past and so that was kind of a bummer in [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► general though I don't have that problem [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► I leave the cell I leave the software [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► for the cell radio enabled and what I [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► mean by that is it can go on cellular [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► anytime it wants and I have not paid any [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► attention to like turning that off or [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► anything like that and 99% of the time [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► my phone is right there so it wouldn't [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► power the cell radio on anyway [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► but it's it's been maintenance-free in [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► that regard which is really nice and so [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► far I really really really liked it and [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► I'm glad that I have the cell service [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► for the runs and even more importantly [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► for when I'm out with Declan and I don't [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► want to be attracted to my phone this is [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► absolutely a first world problem it is [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► absolutely a Casey problem and that I [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► should just have the self-control not to [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► check Twitter every four seconds or [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► Instagram or what-have-you but I know [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► myself enough to know that I don't have [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► a tremendous overabundance of [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► self-control [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► and so removing this problem by removing [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► my phone from the equation is a pretty [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► good way to fix it and I almost put [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► Tweetbot on my watch for instances where [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► I'm say DMing with somebody or something [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► like that and it occurred to me by [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► putting Tweetbot on my watch i will be [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► defeating the purpose that I've set out [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► for my watch which is to say being able [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► to be distraction free another couple [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► things I've noticed once I upgraded to [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► High Sierra and I could use unlock with [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► my watch again because apparently [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► there's something that causes issues [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► with the cellular watch and in Sierra in [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► below so you have to be on some high [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► sierra for your cell you [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► watch to do watch unlock once I upgraded [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► two of my three computers to High Sierra [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► that has come back and that seems to be [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► faster than my series zero by generally [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► speaking a pretty comfortable margin [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► Apple pay is way faster in the last [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► couple of months that I had my series [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► zero I'd kind of abandoned using Apple [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► pay on the watch because it was just so [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► much slower than my phone and it is a [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► fair bit faster on the series three [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► which I really like all in all the [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► combination of the Apple watch series [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► three with LTE with air pods is pretty [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► darn fantastic the only things that I'm [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► really longing for are an update to [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► RunKeeper so it will take take a note of [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► the map of what of what I ran because if [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► you use the exercise app that's built [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► into the watch it will save a map to [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► your health app but RunKeeper hasn't [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► hasn't built in support for that API yet [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► which is a real bummer [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► and again I want podcasts on my watch [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► pretty please Apple please look at [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► Marco's post and give me podcasts on my [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► watch that's all I want please please [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► and a volume widget please for the love [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of God no one cared about a volume [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► widget on the watch until air pods and [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► now because air pods don't have a good [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► way to control volume physically on them [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► everybody is demanding that with good [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► reason and yeah I can't I can't offer it [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► like there is no API for me to offer [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► them a volume widget for either phone or [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► watch audio levels and I just it kills [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► me yeah so those are my thoughts I [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► definitely recommend it I definitely [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► think it's good I definitely am glad I [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► spent the money on both it and the [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► cellular service on top I'm I'm giving [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► it two thumbs up so far really really [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► love this device yeah the only thing I [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► would add is like it seems like the like [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► what we're seeing with the cellular you [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► know holding on to Wi-Fi and everything [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► else you know this is clearly a device [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► that for power reasons has to use the [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► LTE as little as possible I would say [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► it's it's a good device to get you know [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► if you have like a specific use case in [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► mind like Casey at the park or running [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► without a phone like that makes a ton of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► sense I would say don't assume this [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► device is just gonna be always happily [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► using its LTE the way like an iPad [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► it's it's going to minimize LTE so [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► aggressively that it's it's it's more [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► useful to think of the LTE thing as a [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► just in case I need it kind of thing [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► like if you're on a run and you don't [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► want to be without a way to make a phone [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► call in case of an emergency or you want [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► to be reachable by people you know it [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► makes sense for that but I wouldn't [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► necessarily say that it makes sense to [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► buy the LTE version with the assumption [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► that you'll be using it just like a tiny [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► phone because not only is it you know [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► very very conservative with when it uses [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► the LTE at all but also app why is the [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► apps are not really ready for that yet [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► they were there were good segments about [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► app readiness on other podcast this week [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► I know there was a great one on upgrade [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► especially and I think a little more [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► unconnected but basically yeah I was [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► connected but basically you know the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► apps for Apple watch have been written [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► to date with the assumption that they [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► were using the phone and their [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► corresponding app on the phone for all [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► their communication and the watch really [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► couldn't do much until fairly recently [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► with its own communication and and until [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► like last week that was only on Wi-Fi [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► and because nobody really went with the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► watch without their phone and did much [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► with it there wasn't much reason to [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► really write the apps for that so Apple [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► watch third-party apps still have a [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► anything first party apps frankly still [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► have a long way to go before they can [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► really make good use of independent [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► connectivity on the watch and the [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► hardware probably needs a couple more [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► generations before it's really able to [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► use the LTE radio more than occasionally [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► anyway so buy it if you want to be [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► reachable and to have a lifeline you [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► know they like that kind of that kind of [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► use when you are out without a phone but [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily say buy it just [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► for like entertainment to go phoneless [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► like Casey at the park because that's [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► not ultimately what it's for and it's [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► not worth optimized to do I would agree [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► with that [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► also you can bring your phone to the [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► park man like kids at the park like yeah [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► we love our kids but like they're there [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► a lot it's it's okay to bring your phone [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► look Instagram while they're like [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► climbing the monkey bars and everything [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► when you aren't like when they're not [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► interacting with you when they're guys [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► running around you can you can look at [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► your phone it's okay I give you [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► permission to do it let me you look up [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► and they're gone you don't have to blame [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► your something yeah yeah I know [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► I think part of the problem is that you [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► know the this particular Park it's just [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► in the neighborhood so it's usual that [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► it's only Declan and I that are there [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► and beyond that he's still in the phase [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► where everything is Daddy this are [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► really mommy this and then if mommy [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► isn't there daddy this and so you know [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► it's it's it's better if I am not [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► distracted by something else and better [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► if I'm paying more attention to him [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► actually a Hamilton or and the chat [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► points out a very good thing bring your [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► phone to take pictures like you know as [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► as people are realizing they can now go [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► out into the world with just their watch [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► many of them I've seen are also [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► realizing oh crap I don't have a camera [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► when I do that and I'm used to always [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► having a camera yeah the thing is [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► actually Mike and I talked about this [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► very briefly on the forthcoming episode [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► of analog but uh if I'm was going to [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► bring a camera to the park I would [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► probably bring the big camera because I [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► I think the pictures are much much much [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► better coming off of that now once I get [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► my fancy iPhone ten in 2020 when it's [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► finally available then that might change [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► when I have my fancy you know a two lens [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► camera system but for now I would be [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► more apt to bring watch and big camera [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► than I would be watching phone that's [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► actually a reasonable plan I like that [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► yeah but I mean obviously this is kind [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► of a unique to casing use case and that [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► may not be the case for everyone else [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► but I would agree with with what you [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► said a minute ago like if you have if [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► you the listener have a particular set [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► of times that you think this would be [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► useful to you for example exercise [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► particularly in a situation where you [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► don't have access to Wi-Fi or anything [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► else so often but not always outdoor [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► exercise or if you just are like me and [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► don't have very good self control then I [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► think having a watch with LTE makes [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► sense and certainly one of the nice [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► things is if you wanted to just see what [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► you thought you could get a watch with [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► LTE and just choose not to enable it so [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► yes it's it's I think 70 extra dollars [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► up front but you don't have to incur [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► that monthly fee until you you feel like [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► you might want it but if you don't [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► really have a particular use like that [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► in mind I agree with Marco that it may [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► not really be worth the money [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► what do you think of the red dot now [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► that you have it uh I wish the red dot [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► wasn't there [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► agreed I have yet to see any model [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► except the white ceramic where I think [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► it looks good [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► I think it looks ok or passable on the [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► steel ones and maybe ok on the gold [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► aluminum one but that's about the best I [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► can say about it yeah fair enough [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► I think I feel the same way I I wish it [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► wasn't there I wish I had an option to [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► not have it there I like if always watch [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► dots yeah I know but I don't I don't [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► trust myself to apply it in such a way [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► that it won't look like garbage the [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► watch thought that yeah yeah yeah that's [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► yeah if I could I do believe if I could [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► pay a little bit of extra money to have [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► a version without the dot I probably [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► would have find somebody who paints [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► miniatures and yeah there was some [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► enamel in there you'll never notice [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► it'll be practically perfect yeah [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► something like that I don't know but [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► overall i am i was expecting to like the [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► watch you know i am a pretty big fan of [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► the apple watch as a platform and I was [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► expecting to like this new one you know [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► a fair bit and it turns out I really [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► like this new watch a lot so it is a [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► very worthwhile upgrade the sell like we [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► just discussed yeah maybe maybe not for [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► me absolutely Marco I suspect if and [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► when you get overcast working and if and [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► when you decide to ditch your phone for [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► bike rides I think you'll be more [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► enthusiastic about the the cellular [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► radio but but in general I can see that [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► when going either way but yeah I [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► definitely say this is a worthwhile [TS]

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00:56:01 ◼   ► else trusts Squarespace to do it right [TS]

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