The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I am NOT looking forward to Friday not [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► at all [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► listen you want do some follow-up yeah I [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► don't think we only have one item here [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► and it's a tiny little throwaway thing I [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► don't know here we go [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► how many times have we said this and [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► then it's like 40 minutes last time we [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► talked all about like Mac Pro's and [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► stuff maybe people were like okay fine [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► no was that actually the Mac Mini thing [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► is in a topic section is a natural [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► follow-on from the last thing not to be [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► confused with follow-up topic yes who [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► admitted follow-on I don't know is it [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► even a thing I think I was just using [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the actual term the actual phrase as in [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► something that naturally comes after [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► another thing I mean you probably [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► thought the same thing when you were [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► first using follow-up and then it turns [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► out you invented that there was a format [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► associated with that there was a format [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► what's the format for follow-on just [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► when you in the next show you do a topic [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► that is a natural you know it naturally [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► follows the topic on the previous show I [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► don't know I think it's whatever you say [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► it is well we'll say if I do it if I do [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► it for like two years regularly with it [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► with a strict format and every single [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► episode then we'll see what we got so [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► let me just state for the record that we [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► immediately ended up on a tangent so the [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► only item I have is more chair follow-up [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► class last week I think I was sitting on [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► a gesture right I think you had just [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► started on the gesture like that day or [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► something recently yeah yeah so I used [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► it for a few days or whatever but I've [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► swapped it back now for the for the [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► embody and now we're like I took the old [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► chairs out of the room so now we're in [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► the actual trial period where I'm gonna [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► try one chair and my wife will try the [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► other and then we'll switch back and [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► forth and see how we go I kind of know [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► what I think of both of the chairs so [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► far and I wish there was one that was [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► just such a clear winner but the big [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► lumpy thing underneath Ian's body annoys [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► me but I think I like the embody like [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► I think it fits my body you better than [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► the gesture so anyway the only bit of [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► follow-up I have is last week I was [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► sitting on the gesture but I was [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► wondering how I was gonna figure out how [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► to take off the arms and I'm happy to [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► report that I did successfully remove [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the arms without too much fuss it was [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► just a tiny little bit tricky it's not I [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► wasn't actually tricky like it's it's [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► straightforward unless you are if you [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► don't have a lot of experience [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► disassembling things it's you know and [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► this is how you get experiences [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► sometimes you do it the wrong way when [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► you're a kid a lot maybe adults don't do [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► this but frequently as a child if I [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► wanted to take something apart I took a [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► lot of things apart you would look at it [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► and be like I want that thing to come [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► off and you'd look around for a couple [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► seconds and see there's any obvious [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► screw heads poking out somewhere or [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► something like you know what do I need [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► to unscrew or untwist or whatever to [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► make this come out and if you don't see [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► anything you know then you're like well [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► I've got a lot of tools and I'm pretty [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► clever [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► I have opposable thumb said I'm a clever [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► little tool using monkey I can get that [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► off like it's coming off right you just [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► you you realize that you can do it [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► you're like I have I have leverage and [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► and friction and all sorts of things [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► that will get this thing off but you end [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► up destroying the thing when you're [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► taking it off and so the Steelcase [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► gesture chair is one of those devices [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► where any tool using monkey can look at [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► the thing and say I can get those arms [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► off probably like I kind of have an idea [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► like I see some some squishy plastic [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► bits that seem like they have seams and [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► even though I don't see any screws that [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► I can unscrew to get it undone I see a [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► lot of things that are soft enough that [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I can pry them off and surely underneath [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► those things if I pry them off will be [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► the screws that I seek and I'll be able [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► to remove these arms but me having some [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► experience disassembling things knows [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► how this goes yeah you probably will [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► eventually do it that way but there's [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► also a very good chance that you will [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► pry off all these soft parts and damage [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► them and underneath them will just be [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► scary unyielding metal that doesn't help [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► you at all so take two seconds to think [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► about it and I did things I can [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► something about it I didn't pry the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► thing out but didn't destroy because you [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► know it's expensive chair and I want to [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► you know be nice to it anyway like I [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► said this is so it comes with the [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► experience taking things apart so I [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► found yeah you could feel the underside [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and very large ruse that were probably [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► holding the arms on but there's no way [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► you could get at the top of them because [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► there was no like there was you couldn't [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► see the top of them and like well this [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► chair went together [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► someone assembled this chair and it's [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► not like so many Apple things one way [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► assembly with like with tabs don't you [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► know untap or like things that I fix it [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► has to remove with heat because they're [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► glued like put this beanbag in the [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► microwave or even just things a lot of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► things snap together like a plastic snap [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► together model or there's like a slot in [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► the tab and like they really only go in [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► one direction you have no way to push [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► that tab back out like without breaking [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it but I figured a chair is not like [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► that so the trick of it in case you're [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► wondering is the seat of the Steelcase [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► chair slides forward and back on like a [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► little like it's like rack and pinion [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► steering there's like a little you know [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► rack thing and then a little gear that [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► turns right and I could see that to get [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the top of the screw heads that I wanted [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► to get at they would probably be [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► underneath the back of the seat so I [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► moved the seat forward but I couldn't [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► remove the sort of plastic shroud it's [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► not like a car plastic shroud that was [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► probably covering what I imagined to be [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► the tops of those screws now my car with [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► a sweet if the seat goes forward [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► underneath the seat there's no screws [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► underneath there but this would one tiny [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► little tab that was like stopping the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► seat from going completely forward so [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► you can move it forward and back and [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► what prevented it why did it stop going [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► forward this is one tiny little tab it [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► was made of flexible springy metal all [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► right so push that little springy tab [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► down into the slot and all of a sudden [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► the chair you can just keep turning the [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► dial the chair slides right off the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► front like the seat slides right off the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► front in one piece perfectly fine and [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► then you have access to the body of the [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► seat and then there's a plastic thing [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► with some little you know you peel off [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► the plastic shroud with some little [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► plastic cookie things in there you will [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► see the apparently expensive chair and [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► receive standard which is a t30 torx [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► screws and they were like six of them [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► and they were really hard to undo and [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► they're humongous at once I had all six [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► of them out the arms came right off no [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► damage done at all reassembled perfectly [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► so happy report that I have two armless [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► chairs and did not damage them and now I [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► of what I imagine is several hundred [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► dollars worth of useless arms up in my [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► attic that's by the way that's a I don't [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► even know if I would sell them because [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► I'm such a hoarder but um it's something [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► I wish I had known earlier is you can [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► buy the embody without arms for like a [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► hundred dollars less if you can find [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► someone who will sell to you you can [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► configure it without arms and you will [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► save like a hundred bucks on it so it's [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► no small on that as far as I could tell [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► there was no place where you could buy [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► the gesture without arms because gesture [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► the arms and the gesture are kind of [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► like half the point of the chair they're [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► very very configurable actually really [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► cool arms I just don't want them on my [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► chair so that's it for my update I'm [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► sitting on the embody there are no arms [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► and we're off to the races [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► life was good wait what what about your [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► wife though what if she wants arms on [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► her chair tough noogies she doesn't she [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► doesn't want them oh that was part of [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► the prenup no no it was not part of the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► prenup but she told me I don't want arms [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► are they get in the way she's used to [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► having a chair with no arms as well and [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► they just there's get in the way so no [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► arms for anybody I think that's bananas [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► I can't imagine not having arms so much [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► I'm serious do like I explained this [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► like thing because you missed it like I [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► don't know people will deal with arms [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► not sure like if your if your arms are [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► positioned ergonomically on the keyboard [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► like it should be like if you looked if [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► you look at yourself sitting at the seat [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► in profile it should be a 90 degree L [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► from like your shoulder straight down to [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► your elbow and then 90 degrees out to [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► the keyboard right that's where you want [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► to be in that position [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► especially if you have longer arms like [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► mine your elbows are already low enough [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► that they're probably bumping into the [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► armrest like and even if the arm rests [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► are below where your arms are if you [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► relax or move or whatever your arms [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► might bump into the armrest and I just [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► feel like I feel constrained by the [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► armrest that my elbows are constantly [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► bumping them so then I find myself [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► pulling in my elbows to instinctively [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► avoid bumping into the armrest and that [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► is uncomfortable intent so that's the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► first thing and the second thing is I [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► apparently getting in and out of the [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► chair sideways all the time and when [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► there are arms there you can't do that [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► like you know you have to climb over [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► them you have to rotate there pull out [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► the chair and by the way these chairs [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► are really heavy I wish they were [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► lighter and they don't roll that well on [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► the carpet but but by my as I get into [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► the chairs from the side and once [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► they're arms you can't get in from the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► side [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► third the arms hit against my keyboard [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► trade because of the height they would [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► have to be like if I put the arms below [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► the level like you were traded be so low [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► that they'd be like hitting my hips and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► not my elbows but like what the hell is [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► the point thing so they just they just [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► arms just don't fit into my chair life [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► at all and I imagine a lot of people who [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► have arms in their chair who don't mess [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► with them their keyboard is too high [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► like if your keyboard is on your desk [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► chances are good your keyboard is too [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► high like if you sit properly and type [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► and your arms do not make perfect [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► 90-degree ELLs or a larger angle so like [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► you know 95 degrees or whatever so that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► see the angle at your elbows is bigger [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► than 90 then you're probably your [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► keyboard is 200 which may not bother you [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► but it's super bothers me a lot now all [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► I can think of is I'm envisioning you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► mounting a chair by hopping one leg over [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► it like Jonathan Frakes you know I was [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► gonna pull I was gonna do a reference [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► there like nobody's gonna get that but I [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► guess yeah me me enough the case you got [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► it oh come on I love the next generation [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► well I got to do this to me dad yeah but [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► when you watch next generation did you [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► know about that or did you all course [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► about it after the meme came yeah only [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► after I think I'm more disappointed when [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► I here at John siracusa mmm-hmm then [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► when my own father does the equivalent [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► this is an abusive relationship let's [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► just move on to ask ATP and Jonathan [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► Rogers would like to know how do you all [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► feel about Bitcoin slash crypto [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► currencies do you think that there is a [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► real long-term value in them or they [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► just short-term speculation plays do you [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► buy into the underlying structure for [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► sustaining billions of transactions in [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► the future do you and do you hold any [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► coins of any type I know almost nothing [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► about any of this and have no [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► cryptocurrencies of any sort and I would [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► love to be enlightened and I did here [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► Glenn Fleischmann I think on the talk [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► show try to describe well he did [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► describe Bitcoin and it still flew right [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► over my head and so I just don't get it [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► I treat Bitcoin the same way I treat all [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► other kind of you know high-risk mostly [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► luck based or speculation based [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► investments which is this is a game that [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► other people play that I should not play [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► and so I don't play I I don't even own [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► individual stocks anymore like I used to [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► I used to have like some of my savings [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► be a neat trade account that I could buy [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► and sell individual stocks from I did [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► for for a couple of years and I came out [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► a little ahead but I was always worried [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► about it and the ups and downs really [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► annoyed me and and stressed me out and [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► like all the index funds over this over [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► the same time beat my performance it [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► wasn't like I was being particularly [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► special or clever that pretty much any [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► kind of like manually managed individual [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► investments like this are I think not a [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► good use of my time or my money your if [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► you are more if you're a person who's [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► more into doing that and and you and you [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► get a lot of interest and value out of [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► that that can be your game and and more [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► power to you but I decided that the best [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► way for me to make more money was to [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► just do things that made me that made me [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► money like do more of them and and that [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► was like better than trying to extract [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► an extra you know 5 or 10% a year out of [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► some some potentially lucky investments [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that often times weren't so lucky [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► Bitcoin to me is is no different than [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► playing stocks it really isn't it's it's [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► a volatile foreign currency basically [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► like you know foreign exchange markets [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► commodity market these there are all [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► types of commodity trading Bitcoin is [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► not the first thing to do this like it's [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► a rose for a very long time it is it is [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► very clear what can happen in this world [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► what can go well what can go poorly [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► Bitcoin is in some ways even less secure [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► than let's think because of the way it [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► works but you know as a way to make [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► money I I wouldn't advise people put a [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► lot of faith in systems like this as a [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► fun thing to play around with or if [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► you're doing it for more political [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► reasons like you want to make a [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► statement about not being part of the [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► you know like the the official banking [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► systems and everything that you know you [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► might have other reasons but for making [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► money I don't think I think it's just [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► you know you might as well go to Vegas [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► like it's if you it's just gambling it's [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► just a different form of gambling so I [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► view this kind of in the same category [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► as many other things in my life where I [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► feel like I was well positioned [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► to know about this type of because it's [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► a tech thing well positioned to know [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► about this thing more than regular [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► people to know about it sooner to [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► understand it better to sort of get into [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► the ground floor like another example [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► are a lot of like the internet IPOs and [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► stuff you know back in the days when no [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► one understood the internet but I [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► certainly did because I was on it very [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► early right as a techy person there are [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► some you have some advantages in some [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► realms and Bitcoin falls into that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► category and like all those other things [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► I kind of think of it as yet another [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► case where I failed to make a lot of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► money and I could have because like for [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► example you know if we all knew we know [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► now and put us back into 1990 like we [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► would all be billionaires because you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► just know you would know to like first [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► of all buy all the domain names you can [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► get for like common names because some [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► company will buy them from you later [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► like second of all sync all your money [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► and the stocks that we know are gonna go [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► crazy right like you know it's easy to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► go back in time and understand but we [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► were there early and it's like I knew do [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► my names would have value but they were [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► like you know 200 bucks to get one with [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► Verisign or whatever and I couldn't [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► afford that because I was a college [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► student you know we're working a [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► part-time job to pay for my books it [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► 11-a know crappy dorm like I didn't you [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► know it was it was timing was kind of [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► good but not really same thing with [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► investment I could have invested I could [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► have got a large amount of VA Linux [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► stock because I contributed to Sipan [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► right but I didn't have that kind of [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► money to invest and I could have got [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► like a five hundred percent return on my [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► investment if I had had the money to [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► invest right so Bitcoin similarly when [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► Bitcoin was first going around I was [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► like oh I you know I read up on it I [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► learned about it understood what the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► deal with it was I got to even got to [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► the point where I downloaded the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► software and was mining for coins on my [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► incredibly slow computer wherever the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► hell it was at that time right but I [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► didn't you know didn't take it super [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► seriously and didn't invest a lot of [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► time in it and you know it was kind of [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► boring to mine for coins and I was like [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► yeah like I think I I don't remember [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► what I got out of it some fractional [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► Bitcoin probably exists on some backup [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► of my hard drive somewhere or you know I [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► don't know if I got one Bitcoin you [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► should dig that up it's worth 700 bucks [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► now like I don't even know [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► the hell that crap is there's just [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► another problem with the system that is [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► so based on like you know do you ever [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► lose track your files well how would you [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► feel those files were worth about [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► thousands of dollars so but but unlike [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► the investing gambling things it was the [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► type of situation where there was the [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► possibility because that you are a nerd [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► that you could have with like with no [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► risk and no money upfront it sounds like [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► an ad like you just spend a little time [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► on your computer because you're there [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► early and because it was easier to mine [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► coins in the beginning than it is now [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► right computationally speaking you could [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► have done what many people did is if [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► you're just a little bit more interested [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► in and you had mined coins a little bit [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► more thoroughly for like a month or [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► something that didn't cost you anything [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► it's not like you're putting your life [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► savings into it you spent a little bit [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► of time and you're having some fun and [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► it's hobbing is an interesting thing [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► let's take a look and why you do this [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► because you're a nerd and you know about [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► this stuff and that would be worth a [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► huge amount of money now but I didn't do [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that so well the way I view Bitcoin is [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► if you were in really early and minded [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► when they were easy and held them [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► instead of buying them to order pizzas [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► like so many people did in the sad [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► stories where they they ordered they [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► sold their bitcoins in order to pizza [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► for 20 bucks and now the the bitcoins [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► that they ordered that pizza with are [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► worth like you know 50 grand and I feel [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► bad about it or I guess I suppose that [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► would be worse but but that time is over [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► like we all missed that and now it is [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► like Marco said it's just like okay well [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► now you look at it and you're like this [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► is just a giant soap bubble floating [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► through the air that's either about to [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► burst or something terrible will happen [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► or like it is it is so incredibly risky [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► and scary and you're you know supposed [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► to buy low and sell high not buy a high [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► and hope it's gonna go way higher and [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► obviously that's terrible advice if ever [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► you if you're thinking of investing in [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► Apple and it's ten years ago but there's [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► risk like and it's it's not you have to [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► put you have to put in money to make [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► money at this point where is in the [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► beginning you put in like nothing to [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► make potentially huge or nothing to make [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► nothing I like penny stocks you know [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► it's like very little investment [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► probably is gonna come to nothing but [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► it's but it's such a small amount and [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's a fun thing to do if you're into [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► this nerdy stuff it's kind of fun it's [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► like steady at home but for money so so [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► so I regret obviously not [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► getting more into it earlier but what [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► can you do you can't tell the future and [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► so anyway I have no interested in [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► getting into it now I don't quite [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► understand how they could ever sustain [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► any large transaction volume I see lots [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► of potential pitfalls this but I think [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► it is very technically interesting using [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► math to make a bunch of parties who [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► don't trust each other have a verifiable [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► trust relationship for transactions I [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► think that's an important advancement [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► both the the math behind it which is [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► probably not that new but the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► implementations of it which it is new [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► idea to say can we actually implement [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► this in a safe way without bugs and [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► problems and without letting more than [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► 51% of the swarm get a quorum and and [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► you know tip the whole market or [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► whatever the hell anyway I think it's [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► cool but it's not for me as much as I am [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► staying far away from it I'd always have [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► had no desire to to get into it for [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► financial reasons it is technically [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► beautiful like it is an amazing [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► technical accomplishment and idea and I [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► really respect that but you know despite [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► all of its other problems it is pretty [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► awesome of an idea and a concept and and [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► I could have no interest in gambling [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► with it as a financial instrument well [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► it's not beautiful about it [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► unfortunately is that due to the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► constraints of the current [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► implementations as in like what is it up [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► parties that don't trust each other can [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► have verifiable relationships at low [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► transaction volumes it has found its [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► ecological the ecological niche which is [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► you know selling drugs and illegal [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► things there's a small number of parties [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► who really really don't trust each other [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► and really don't want to use the banking [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► system and they don't have a large [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► transaction volume right and so that's [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► kind of it's kind of sad right that's [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► but but the transaction volume actually [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► is a problem you can't move the entire [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► banking system to a cryptocurrency until [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► they sort those things out and who knows [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► if they will but I do really like the [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► idea of whatever disintermediation or [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► whatever the phrase was from the 90s [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► which i think is still an important [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► thing because nobody likes middlemen [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► when the middleman is math well the [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► other problem that is like the [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► environmental cost of Bitcoin is really [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► non-trivial like the amount of energy [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► being wasted because all of a sudden [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► wasting massive amounts of energy now [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► has a financial upside for the people [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► who are doing it much more so than I [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► think it ever has before for doing [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► apparently no other work that that is [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► not good like it is a beautiful [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► technical system that yeah I think if [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► you're right that like if it never [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► scaled to be incredibly big it would [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► have stayed a beautiful technical system [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► but because of how big it is and because [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► of how much money could be made in it [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and you know all the it basically it's [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► being like you know exploited like crazy [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► for for financial gain and the result is [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► a pretty nasty burning of energy for no [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► reason indeed moving on neo and Tendo [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► nada which apparently somebody is [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► translated to I do not understand [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► anything would like to ask do you think [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► the next iPhone se will be called iPhone [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► SC X which was a funny thought to say [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► the least the way that the model 3 yeah [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► uh-huh my thoughts on this is that the [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► iPhone se will just continue to be the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► iPhone se it will be more like a trim [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► level if you will than an individual [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► model like iPhone 7 and so there will be [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► if there is another iPhone se which um [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► I'd think there probably will be and if [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► it eventually gets all the nifty bits [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► from the iPhone 10 then I think it will [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► still just be the iPhone se it'll just [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► be the you know 2018 edition if you will [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► no I don't mean that in the literal [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► sense but it'll just be than the next [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► version of it what do you think Marco [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► honestly I don't really care it's it's a [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► very nice important product but I don't [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► really care what the name is I could [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► also say they might do se too I share [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► your opinion that it will probably get [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► an update [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► I would I would expect it to get my pay [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► probably next spring maybe it's called [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► the SE - maybe it's called the new [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► iPhone se maybe it's called the iPhone [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► se 2018 or whatever like it's fine I put [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► this question in here because I thought [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► it would be a quickie because I didn't [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► think anyone would seriously try to [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► answer it like you just did but good job [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► I just took put it in here as yet [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► another opportunity for me to tell an [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► old Mac person a story don't know I'm [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► glad some people know chatroom do know [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► this that shows that the right kind of [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► old people are in our chat [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► but back in like 1988-89 the the Mac two [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► had just come out and the successor to [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► the Mac two was called the Mac 2x it was [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► a faster version of the Mac two and the [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► Mac se was the contemporary of the Mac - [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► the all-in-one in temporary so they made [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► that the Mac two gave way to the Mac 2x [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► so have the Mac SC naturally it should [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► give way to the Mac se X but of course [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► they didn't want to do that because it [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► spells out sex and they and their you [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► know didn't have a product for that name [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► so instead of calling it then the Mac se [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► X they called the Mac SE / 30 and the [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► su-30 is my favorite Mac ever and its [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► entire name is derived from Apple's [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► desire not to have a computer named sex [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► and so it's funny all these years later [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► that they have painted themselves into [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► the same corner by having a successor [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► product with a capital letter X in its [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► name and having a product with se whose [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► natural successor were they to follow [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► that naming convention and make one with [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► a notch or something would have an X and [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► so I think they should call it the [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► iPhone su-30 well and also I mean [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► realistically speaking you know sex [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► thing aside the X or 10 branding is the [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► high end phone and it's gonna remain the [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► high end phone for probably quite some [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► time I would honestly be surprised if by [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► the time like if the use of the letter X [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► in the iPhone name does indeed end up [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► filtering down the line which is not a [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► given it might not if it filters down [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► the line over over time either by the [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► time it gets to the point where it would [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► be suitable to use on a low-end model [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the iPhone se will not be the name [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► that's used anymore for that model like [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► they will have moved on to some other [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► naming convention where se is no longer [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► used so it's a funny question but like I [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► don't think it would it would even be in [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► a consideration because they're not [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► bringing the letter X down that low in [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► line in any way its capital and it's a [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► 10 like back in the Mac days it was it [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► was a lowercase X and it was pronounced [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► X so it really would have been capital s [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► capital e lowercase X and the 2x was [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► Roman numeral 2 you know two big bars [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► and then the lowercase X so that was it [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► I just wanted to tell the story of the [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► ac30 for the people who don't know it I [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► feel better for having known that story [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► and in in a very sad and terrible turn [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► of events I did not get to do the ask [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► ATP notes before John did and normally [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► that'd be kind of nice because I've had [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► a busy week but John is that the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► following question to ask ATP so if you [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► have any upset or angry emails that you [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► would like to send or tweets please send [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► them to John siracusa anyway James or [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► James D who asks what's the blest best [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► place to start when trying to listen to [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► fish John do you have any opinions on [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► this that everybody should get a [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► question that's aimed at them every once [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► in a while so this one's for you marker [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► Casey do you want to go first I would [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► say that you're gonna say some sort of [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► live show probably the New Year's Eve [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► show from the most recent year okay so [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► basically what you need to know when [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► getting into fish is that the album's [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► are a great place to start to get to [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► know what their music roughly sounds [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► like but what most fish fans listen to [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► most of the time is the live shows [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► because they are substantially better if [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► fish is the kind of thing you're into [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► like it's like you can listen to the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► album's first and they're on every [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► streaming service now it's like if and [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► everybody has a streaming subscription [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► for something these days so you can [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► listen to fish music I'm pretty much [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► anywhere you know any service you have I [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► would suggest start if if you can if [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► your service has it and most of them do [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► start with one of the live albums now [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► it's a little different than most bands [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► in that while they have live album [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► releases that that span like the last 20 [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► years they put out like you know maybe [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► 10 of maybe 10 like official albums that [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► are live and like one of the first ones [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► called a live one that's on all the [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► services you can definitely listen to a [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► live one if you wanted to and it's good [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► but unlike most bands every single fish [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► show every concert they do is recorded [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► from the soundboard professionally [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► mastered and released a few hours after [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the show ends as a legal purchasable [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► download from a site that they're [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► affiliated with called live fish com I [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► think live fish also has a OS apps where [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► I think you can stream for free you just [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► can't pick what they're playing but it's [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► like a constant live stream [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► that I think you can do for free so if [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► you listen on your streaming service of [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► choice and you decide that this is [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► something you want to hear more of the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► way to get more into it is not to go [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► listen to all their studio albums if you [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► don't really it the way to get into it [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► is to listen to more live shows and once [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► you exhaust the official releases [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► they've done over time the way to get [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► more into it after that is to go to live [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► fish either their app or the website and [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► either preview for free or buy the stuff [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► there and that's it and enjoy that took [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► a lot less time than I expected I hope [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► you'll insert some fish clip after you [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► say the word enjoy at that point just [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► like a guitar riff there are like three [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► of the words from the middle of the nine [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► words that are in the middle of the half [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► an hour song [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► you have to put in meat stick because [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that is the most preposterous fish song [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► well which one I have hold on 37 [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► recordings of meat stick [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► in my collection so for reference I have [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► 77 hundred fish songs over one hundred [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► and twelve gigs that span 42 days of [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► total time and that's only what they've [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► done since about 2009 and you buy every [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► single show is that right yeah by the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► like they have like season passes on [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► live fish whenever they whenever they [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► like a new tour is announced and you can [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► pre-order the entire tour as legal [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► downloads so I just do that so it's like [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► usually it's like a couple hundred bucks [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► for like a whole summer tour or [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► something like that and I just do that [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► if you're so in a point to like if [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► you're more into going to concerts they [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► put on a great show and they put on lots [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► of them and so even though they sell out [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► like they put on just so many shows that [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► they aren't that hard to get into if you [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► if you try and you don't have to like [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► pay a ridiculous price to do it or [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► anything so if you are a concert goer I [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► highly suggest you go to their concerts [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► I personally just don't enjoy going to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► concerts very much I have been to [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► exactly one Phish show and it was fine [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► but I didn't feel like I need to go to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► more I really love listening to the live [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► shows but I'm not a concert person but [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► if you're a concert person especially if [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► you're into the drug scene at all which [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► again I am NOT they are apparently a [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► great place to be if you're into that we [TS]

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00:28:47 ◼   ► bone conduction headphones go to ATP [TS]

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00:28:51 ◼   ► after some headphones work by bone [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► conduction so small transducers resting [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► in front of your ears sends small [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► vibrations through your cheek bones [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► directly to your inner ear so they're [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► not really putting anything in or on [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► your ears themselves it's all going [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► through your cheek bones from the front [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► of your ear so this leaves your actual [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► ears totally open with nothing blocking [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► nothing making them sweaty nothing [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► making them hurt so of course this is [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► great for comfort for exercise for hot [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► weather there even ip55 certified for [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► water resistance so you don't have to [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► worry about that the biggest thing for [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► me the big advantage of these is because [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► they leave your ears open you hear the [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► world around you in addition to say the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► podcast you listening to or the [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► phonecall you're taking so this actually [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► isn't so great if you're in a very loud [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► place like a subway station in a big [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► city but it's awesome if you want to do [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► things like listen to a podcast or take [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► a phone call while walking or while [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► running or cycling where you really need [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► to hear the world around you for [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► practical or safety reasons and that [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► could be as simple as you're at home and [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► you need to take a phone call you want [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► to listen to podcasts and you want to [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► know maybe when your kid upstairs wakes [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► up from their nap or if somebody knocks [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► on the door you want to be able to hear [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► it so this is great not for loud [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► environments not for like pristine music [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► listening but for practical speech [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► content of phone calls podcasts [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► audiobooks it's great for that when [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► you're in an environment where you [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► didn't want or need to hear the world [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► around you I highly suggest using these [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► things if you have need like that I have [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► used them myself I'm a big fan they I [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► had great headphones that I loved before [TS]

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00:30:44 ◼   ► calm thank you so much to aftershocks [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► for sponsoring our show so this week as [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► we record in fact it will be in just a [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► couple of days is iPhone 10 pre-order [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► time because the world revolves around [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► California and California stuck in the [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► past which is to say outside of Hawaii [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► and I guess Alaska it is the last [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► American time zone please don't email me [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► the pre-orders will go up at midnight [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► California time and as as they do every [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► year California gives a big middle [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► finger to the rest of the world / [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► especially country and at 3 o'clock in [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► the morning I will be waking up on [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► Friday morning to pre-order to iPhone [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► tens one for me one for Aaron and I [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► genuinely genuinely will be stunned if I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► receive either of these in 2017 [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► I will be getting one of the I don't [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► remember the official name white and one [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► of the I don't remember the official [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► name black it's both 256 gigs because [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► children and movies and things of that [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► nature and I will be sufficiently broke [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► they're after John what is your [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► intention for this coming Friday so [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► that's the reason I put this topic in [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► was just to have someone who knows and [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► cares more than I do tell me exactly [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► what time this is happening so I can [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► decide whether I'm gonna be doing [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► anything obviously I'm not ordering one [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► for myself potentially I could be trying [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► to do this at 3 a.m. for my wife for her [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► phone I need her to tell me what color [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► she wants and what size I guess those [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► the only options right [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► color in size yeah yeah there's only two [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► sizes 64 256 right so yeah because even [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► it like I think she wants to know [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► whether she really wants this first but [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► you can always cancel an order so it [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► kind of makes sense to just like try to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► get in and if you happen to get an order [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► and you're lucky fine and probably [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► before your order ships you'll be able [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to like see it in a store or something [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► I'm assuming I think I was just returned [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► after what is the 14 day return window [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► or whatever yeah yeah so I assume that [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► she's gonna want a pre-order for this [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► and so this may be the first time I [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► actually do is I've never done it before [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► cuz I was just wait for my phones and [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► normally she doesn't care what we do but [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► I think she's getting impatient with our [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► phone which by the way this is her phone [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► she's got an iPhone 6s plus and it's got [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► the latest version of iOS 11 on it and [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► she says it's like slowing down and [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► getting all sort of stuttery and stuff [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► and I didn't notice her animations for [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► stuttery so I turn down reduce emotions [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► like that it's fixed no more stuttering [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► animations but he still complains that [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it it's slow and crab but maybe hurt [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► maybe her storage just filling up I got [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► to look at it but if anyone has any [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► bright ideas and how to if it's some [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► sort of problem related to iOS 11 that [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► makes iPhone 6s plus is slow down [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► because 6s Plus isn't that old I think [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► it should be fine but anyway she's [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► getting frustrated with her current [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► phone and wants the phone sooner rather [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► than later so if she can't get in a [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► pre-order for this she might just buy an [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► 8 plus which would be her probably fine [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► and she'd be happy with it but it's [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► certainly more boring than than trying [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► the 10 let me just put it on record John [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► before [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► here Markos intentions that if you order [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► tea no phone and if she does not want it [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► I would like dibs on it's gonna be I [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► don't care or what sighs whatever 64 I [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► don't care I am that like so this is [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► this is the first world he is to first [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► of all problems right that I'm this [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► worked up as I get every year about [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► getting the new Apple hotness quickly [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► but this is even worse than every other [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► year because Apple has all but come out [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► and said or maybe they did say at some [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► point but they've all become out and [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► said good friggin luck getting this [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► anytime soon so I am trying to work [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► whatever angle I can in order to get [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► myself in iphone 10 as quickly as [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► possible [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► that being said Marco what's your [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► intention so I'm gonna get well I'm [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► going to try to get I love Kim albergue [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► user in the chat said the official color [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► names are kind of black and somewhat [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► white I'm going for some white variety [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► yeah you know so I've I've had every [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► single iPhone that I've had so far has [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► been in whatever version of black was [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the black and black they had that year [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► like I have Jeff like iPhone 7 currently [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► and you know before that just Space Gray [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► Space Gray basically it's funny Apple [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► has no idea what color space is clearly [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► how all the different space grades I've [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► had but it's just in various points in [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► the past I have had interest in getting [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► one of the lighter backed ones like the [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► silver backed ones just for a variety [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► sake or certain models I thought it [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► looked better but I never wanted the I [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► never wanted the white front front plate [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► on it like above the screen and [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► everything just like John right you know [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► I just don't think those look very good [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► now I have the option to get either [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► color with the same you know black [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► knotch [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► and and black bezel around it so [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► honestly in the pictures I've seen so [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► far which admittedly is not many of them [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► because there nobody has these yet but [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► in the picture I saw like from the [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► launch event from like the backstage [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► area I thought the kind of white one [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► looked better than the somewhat black [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► one but again it could just because I [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► just want variety cuz I've had so many [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► black phones in a row anyway so I'm [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► gonna go for that one [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna go for the large capacity and [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► the Verizon or sim-free one if I can at [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► all get it [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► soon because I am an AT&T customer and [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► I'm not interested in changing networks [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► as Verizon doesn't actually cover my [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► house or most of my neighborhood very [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► well the reason I want the Verizon [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► version despite not being not being a [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► Verizon customer is that they're doing [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► the same thing again this year that they [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► started last year with the seven which [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► is that for the GSM only ones the ones [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► that are being sold as AT&T phones in [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► the US and I don't know what situation [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► is elsewhere [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► those have an Intel cellular modem and [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► the ones that are sold either sim-free [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► or that are sold on CDMA based networks [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► like Verizon and Sprint are using a [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► Qualcomm modem allegedly when this [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► started last year with the 7o the modems [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► are the same it doesn't matter whatever [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► phone you get it's fine you know and [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► there have been other iPhones in the [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► past I'd like minor component variations [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► like whether you got like a Samsung or [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► TSMC system on a chip and I think the [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► success generation have like a minor [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► battery variation and stuff anyway I [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► have found with my experience with the [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► Intel modem iPhone 7s on AT&T I've had a [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► lot of call dropping problems away but [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► my microphone on my phone will stop [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► working and the person they're in will [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► not be able to hear me and I have done a [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► lot of research I've heard from a lot of [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► people customers I've even heard from a [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► number from a few geniuses at Apple bars [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► or groves or whatever they called [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► arborist now because they're in the [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► Grove I don't know what they are anyway [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► heard from a couple of arborists that [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► this is actually a pretty big thing that [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► it's a pretty widespread issue that the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► Intel modem AT&T iPhone sevens [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► frequently have this issue where the [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► microphone drops out during a phone call [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► like this is just a thing and so I'm [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► trying my best with this generation and [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► by the way this has been really annoying [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► like you think you don't get you know [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► you know as a nerd you think oh I never [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► make phone calls it isn't that big of a [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► deal and then I'm like on the phone with [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► somebody at Apple and it drops and it's [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► like yeah you know you don't want those [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► calls to be unreliable what they [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► happened for an app developer like you [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► want you want to stay on that call it's [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► really annoying when that happens and it [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► makes it very hard to use this as a [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► phone and I've actually had two [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► different iPhone sevens because one one [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► was replaced for a bad lightning port [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► halfway through the year and they both [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► do it to some degree so I know it's not [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► just some fluke thing with my very first [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► Tiff's did it too like we they all do it [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► and just an issue of whether whatever [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► network conditions caused this you know [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► whether that affects where you are or [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► not is whether it's gonna happen to you [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► or not it seems but anyway so I'm trying [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► my hardest to get the Qualcomm modem in [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 and the only way to do [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► that is to get the Verizon or sim free [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► version in the US and they're not gonna [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► probably offer the sim free version for [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► a while they usually they don't with the [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► high-profile release they don't usually [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► offer it immediately usually it's a few [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► weeks out or a couple months out even so [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► I'm gonna try to get a Verizon one but I [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► don't have a verizon account so that's [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► gonna be pretty much impossible for me [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► to actually place an order for that so [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► what I'm probably gonna end up having to [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► do is order the ATT one in the app or [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► whatever I do that night and then just [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► go to the stores constantly over the [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► next few weeks because there's no way to [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► come on day one it says go to the stores [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► for the next few weeks and I hope I can [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► get myself Verizon one or a SIM free one [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► somehow and that's about it I I - I'm [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► gonna wake up at 3 in the morning and [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► I'm gonna try to place my order I know [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► I'm not gonna be able to and when I am [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► finally able to probably 10 minutes into [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► the ordering window the delivery dates [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► if I'm lucky will be December mm if I'm [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► more honest with myself probably January [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► and or or even later that's 2018 so I'm [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► I'm just not that optimistic about my [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► chances of getting it in the app the [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► only reason I'm waking up at 3 a.m. at [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► all is that on the on the off chance [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► that that Apple has made more of them [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► than they thought they would this week [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► or whatever and you know if you can [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► actually place an order at 3 a.m. and [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► get it within a couple of weeks of [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► launch day I will feel really stupid if [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► I don't if I didn't do that like if I [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► decide to just get up at 8 a.m. and try [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► to place here then and then go to the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► stores and just hope for the best like [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► I'm gonna feel really stupid but I am [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► NOT optimistic I think it's gonna be a [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► really bad scene I think even people who [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► get there in the first minute or two of [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► the order of being open are gonna be [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► seeing dates in December yep and it's [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► just it's gonna be it's gonna be rough [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► and it's and that's that's if you're [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► lucky if you're lucky to get it this [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► year and I I really am a little worried [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► for like what this is going to do for [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► Apple's financials and their sales [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► numbers and ever the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► for the next few quarters because I [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► really don't think they're gonna sell [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► nearly as many of these as there's [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► demand for but the people who have been [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► waiting for this some portion of them [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► will say oh I forget it if I can't get [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► the same time soon or if they're if the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► initial reviews come out and they and [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► there's some annoyance with them that [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► that certain people don't want to deal [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► with or that won't solve their needs [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► well enough there is gonna be some [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► percentage of those people who say oh I [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► forget it I'll get an A+ or I'll get an [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► 8 and and that'll be it and so the you [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► know Apple will sell phone to those [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► people for sure like it if I had to [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► guess I'm I'm guessing that Friday like [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► after everyone has tried to place the [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► order for the iPhone 10 and has been [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► told it's gonna be January [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► I'm guessing Friday afternoon is gonna [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► be probably the big that the second [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► biggest sales day for the iPhone 8 plus [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► for its entire run the biggest was [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► probably its opening day [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► I bet the eight plus has the second [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► biggest day on Friday because of all [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► those people who are going to be [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► discouraged from the X sorry 10 that was [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► discouraged from the 10 and they're [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► gonna say oh I forget it I'll get the A+ [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and and that'll be that but that's you [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► know that that's gonna be some [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► percentage of people I don't think it to [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► be a high percentage people I think most [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► of the people who were really holding [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► out for the iPhone 10 are not gonna [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► settle for the 8 plus or the 8 they're [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► gonna just wait for the 10 even if that [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► means spring time like and by then they [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► might say you know what now I'm a third [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► of the way until the next iPhone comes [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► out I'll just wait till the x2 or [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► whatever might come out next of all you [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► know like if the shipping delays are [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► long enough they've run that risk so [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► this actually might be a problem like [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► Apple is taking a pretty big risk here [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► with the way they have launched this [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► phone I tell you one thing I would not [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► want to be Tim Cook for the next year [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► that well I mean I guess it's very he's [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► probably is pretty good life but but [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► like this I have a feeling he's gonna be [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► under a lot of scrutiny if if these [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► financials don't work out because they [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► can't sell enough of the iPhones people [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► actually are waiting for [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► that's gonna be a problem for Tim Cook [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► it'll even out over time though because [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► I feel like all the reports we're seeing [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► about inventory problems are all none of [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► them say it's anything systemic like a [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► year from now this should be settled [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► right and so that's bad because you got [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► a whole year of under shipment right but [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that it evens out eventually and I think [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► he always takes the long view yes people [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► are gonna complain to him about all the [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► numbers are crappy or whatever but that [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► over a two year three year time period [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► this you know the sales of this phone [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► will just be a different shape but the [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► total numbers should be good because as [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► you said if they sales they lose for [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► people who want to buy a 10 but can't [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► get it are probably good to go to the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► eighth they have good retention and then [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► I'm gonna say well if I can't get a 10 [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► I'm gonna try an Android phone I mean [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► there's some of that always but I think [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► the bigger potential problem is not [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► inventory which is you know it's bad [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► it's better if you have enough phones to [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► sell to people that's much better right [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► but it does even out over the long haul [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► if your things are good [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the real danger is what if the 10 is not [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► that good or if the 10 is not does not [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► satisfy the customers who all think they [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► want it now because you can't that [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► doesn't even out over time that gets [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► worse over time and that increases the [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► chance of someone's gonna go to it you [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► know try an Android phone or something [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► like that so I mean I bet he's more [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► worried Apple should be more worried [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► about 10 not being good phone than they [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► are about not but having enough of them [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► they should be worried about not having [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► enough of them but not as much as not [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► having a good phone um and from my [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► perspective like I'm I always cancel [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► patience on this like I'm I'm getting [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► one it just so happens that there's this [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► confluence of events where you know my [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► wife's phone is old and it's her year [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and it's getting slow because of iOS 11 [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► or I could just because of upgrade a lot [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► of Voodoo people suggest to try to you [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► know make it become faster including [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► resetting a bunch of stuff but I hate [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► doing that because like if you reset [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► stuff and it doesn't make it faster then [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► you have to change all your settings [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► back for and you just you just cost [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► yourself even more time and yourself be [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► more annoyed anyway she's impatient I'm [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► not casey is always impatient obviously [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► as he already described the team he's [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► telephone now-now-now and marko kind of [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► needs to have the new phone no no no as [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► well as far as I'm concerned I minded [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► one yeah I think Marco and I are [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► probably tied for least amount of [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► patience but he's got he's got at least [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► a legit reason that he can rationalize [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► like he's got a [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► an app for it and everything right I do [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► this for a living yeah but you're gonna [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► help you're gonna have one available at [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► work like it doesn't have to be your [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► personal phone am i yeah sure right [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► I mean if it's important for you for [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► your application to be available yeah [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► but but everyone like everyone at [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► everyone's job is under the same problem [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► that we're at like I know it's a problem [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► right but you have a lot more than you [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► don't have to get a phone just somebody [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► to so what I'm getting at is it I think [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► just someone on ATP needs to have the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► phone for the purposes of of doing this [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► show right but we don't all need to have [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► the phone so I think it'll be fine if we [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► just get one of them and of course it [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► would be nice if Apple just sent us one [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► to review intent Apple people but so far [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► podcast still don't exist as far as [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► they're concerned so we wait patiently [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► and we will try to order with the rest [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► of the people for a loose definition of [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► patiently but yes but yeah but for [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► regular people who are not in a hurry [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► just wait like wait until the spring [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► nothing will happen to you if your phone [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► currently works fine and isn't like [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► doesn't have some weird problem it's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► making you want to get it don't feel [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► that thing that Casey feels where he [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► just needs to have the newest greatest [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► phone like especially in the case of the [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► 10 which might be annoying or [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► problematic in ways that nobody knows [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► yet because nobody has them and it's [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► very different the other phone it's not [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► a known quantity there's so many things [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► that could go wrong with it so and you [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► don't want the first batch of them like [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► there there are so many reasons to just [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► just relax [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► just it's so much more relaxing to be [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► pretend you're not listening to detect [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► podcast and pretend you just wander into [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► an Apple Store and March and go oh these [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► new iPhones they go buy one of these and [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► they'll say would you like one you'll [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► say yes I would like one and they'll [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► bring it from the back for you you'll [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► buy it like a normal person who doesn't [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► listen to the accidental type podcast [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► it's cool like I'll also say like in in [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► the craziness of trying to get one if [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► you buy one from somebody else don't [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► have them ship it in the box that Apple [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► shipped to them in as I learned last [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► year in this horrible incident I still [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► feel so bad in this horrible incident [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► basically you know I think Apple tracks [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► them pretty well when they ship them to [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► the original customer such that I don't [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► think people ups are trying to steal [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► them or anything like that out of the [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► boxes at Apple ships and then but if [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► Yuri tape up that box and ship it to [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► somebody else [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► as resale those happen to get stolen [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► quite a lot as I learned last year and [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► so don't do that put it in a different [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► box maybe and maybe maybe don't try to [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► every sell it if you do try to resell [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► yeah for the love of God put it in [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► different box and don't label it iPhone [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► or a rock or something did you know it [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► was just the plastic wrap from the [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► outside of the of the iPhone it's a [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► little bit classier when they replace it [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► with a rock or something I feel like [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► that shows the personal touch for the [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► thieves [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► yeah and I got a very lightweight box [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► that was literally stolen from the UPS [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► supply chain because it was stamped [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► before like it had its weight stamped on [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► its label before it was replaced by [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► nothing so that was fun yeah the other [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► thing I would say is if you think you [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► might want one don't follow John's [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► advice and be patient if you think [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► there's any change you might want to put [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► an order in because you can you can [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► cancel it with like three clicks if you [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► decide before it ships but you don't [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► want it just put the order in if you are [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► at all on the fence because then you at [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► least have an option to get one in two [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► months when it finally shifts or what [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► like you'll have a date that you can get [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► one but now you're tempting people to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► stay awake at 3 a.m. like you know or [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► midnight at least like you're saying [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► well if you're gonna order it you might [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► as water at the beginning is why yeah [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► anyway so then you know you're setting [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► your alarm for midnight what I'm saying [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► I'm actually saying like just like if [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► you think there's any way you can if you [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► think if you think there's any chance [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► you're gonna want one stay up till 3:00 [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► a.m. or wake up at 3:00 a.m. and do plus [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► you're encouraging more competition for [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► us though most people that's a bigger [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► problem stay up till 3:15 a.m. and order [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► it yeah that's nothing I'm hoping I [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► might actually be doing this this year [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► is I'm hoping that like the the casuals [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► all bought iPhone eights right like [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► normally there's like this big pent up [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► demand for the new phone and everyone [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► who wants the new phone goes at once but [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► now we have a tier where it's like you [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► want the new phone but do you want like [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► the super expensive one or do you just [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► want the new iPhone because it's pretty [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► good and it's new it's different enough [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that I think it satisfies what people [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► want you know it's like it's a different [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► outside with the glass things and the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► cameras and you know all that other good [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► stuff different colors right I hope [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► those people are people that you would [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► have normally been competing with like [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► those people were there trying to get [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► the seventh or whatever right but a lot [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► of those people go out and they got the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► eights now leaving I hope a smaller [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► group of people for the ten now [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► unfortunately that smaller group people [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► at 10 is probably competing for a way [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► way way way smaller number of tens that [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► are gonna ship in 2017 so it's probably [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► not good but I do like the fact that at [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► least we got a little bit of help from [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► the people buying aids yeah but yeah [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't count on that [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► too much actually helping yeah we are [TS]

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00:50:42 ◼   ► Squarespace and it is so easy to use the [TS]

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00:51:22 ◼   ► Squarespace maybe you can get them [TS]

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00:51:35 ◼   ► off the hook for supporting it you just [TS]

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00:51:40 ◼   ► probably won't because Squarespace is so [TS]

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00:52:07 ◼   ► make your next move so I was wondering [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► this is this is probably our last time [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► to talk about the 10 or speculate about [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► it before there's actual press reviews [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► out I would guess is there anything [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► about listed John you mentioned earlier [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► that like you know the biggest risk for [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► the for Apple of the 10 is that it has [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► some kind of problem where it isn't very [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► good or isn't very compelling after all [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► what do you think the biggest risks are [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► for it like like what what's that what [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► are the biggest ways that this might not [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► pan out so I mean the the big ones that [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► a lot of the prices talk about his face [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► ID and I think that is again not not [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► having ever tried it and not you know [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► not getting much information of the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► people who did a face ID doesn't work [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► well enough like you know I don't know [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► if it has to be as good as touch ID out [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► of the gate but it has to be close like [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► if let's put it this way [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► what did use a bad analogy that will [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► make everyone said if face ID works like [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► Siri it will be a bad scene cuz cuz Siri [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► does work and you can demo it and it [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► does cool things but for the unlocking [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► your phone if face I'd be like falls [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► below some minimum threshold of [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► convenience people unlock their phones a [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► lot and I think a lot of people lock [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► their phones now like we're not in the [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► old days where you just slide to unlock [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► people have codes on their phones [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► they're used to touch ID touch ID is [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► amazing and works great face ID has some [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► minimum bar that has to reach so if it [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► doesn't reach that that is a big problem [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► because no one wants to get a phone and [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► just really be annoyed every time you [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► have to unlock it and the second thing [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► is app updates you have to update your [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► app to be able to snoop around your [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► corners and the home line thing and the [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► knotch and obviously I listed them [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► probably in the order that they're [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► annoying like you would think the notch [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► is the problem but having seen overcast [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► and simulator slingshots and everything [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► like it seems clear the rounded corners [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► are a much bigger [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► than you think if you're not if you [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► haven't consider how you're gonna fit [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► your app into that because it really [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► does cut off a lot of things and so [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► updating apps how fast the developers [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► gonna do it if you buy a new phone and [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► face I'd be works great but every app [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► you put on it looks all weird and janky [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► and goes crazy and landscape even though [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► it's not quote-unquote the phones [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► problem like oh the phone is fine [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► nothing wrong with the phone people will [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► have a bad impression I waited all this [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► time I stay up to 3:00 a.m. I spent [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► $1,200 and as a reward all my apps look [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► and work weird on this phone those are [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► the two that occurred to me right off [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► the bat [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► setting aside like all the batteries [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► exploded there's some kind of hardware [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► reliability problem or you know all that [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► stuff that can happen with any phone but [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► the things that are unique to the 10 [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► face ID and app updates I agree with [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► I am super curious to see real world [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► reviews of face ID because I suspect [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► it's going to be as good as Apple [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► promises but I'm scared and you know [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► I've talked to friends at Apple that [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► have used them and and and they all say [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► no really it's amazing but I don't know [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► yeah I I want to I want to have a third [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► party tell me what they think and I'm [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► cautiously optimistic that it will be [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► very good and I think it's going to be [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► pretty darn amazing I think the face ID [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► is the most obvious stumbling block that [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► could happen but I think the most [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► obvious obvious stumbling block that [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► will happen is what John said about [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► third-party apps that they're just not [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► updated in timely fashion or not updated [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► well or whatever the case may be [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► and I think that's the thing that is [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► going to be most telling and we'll see [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► whenever these reviews come out we'll [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► see if though if their reviewers have [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► run into a lot of that yeah I think you [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► guys pretty much covered what I was [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► gonna say too like apps I think are the [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► biggest thing I worry about and and not [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► just like how many apps will be there on [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► on day one because I think the answer to [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► that is probably gonna be not enough [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► okay there's gonna be some but probably [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► not enough I don't even know if I'm [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► probably not gonna make day one with [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► overcast Bay because I just keep running [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► into really annoying [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► you eye issues that are you know some of [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► which are my fault many of us are my [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► fault from like you know technical debt [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► that I'm still repaying and trying to [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► get rid of over my previous UI hacks but [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► some of which are just the iPhone being [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► harder to work with the night that I [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► predicted and the UI being harder to [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► manage I'm predicted but ultimately the [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► biggest problem with apps is gonna is [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► first it's gonna be when the apps get [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► letterboxed like I've seen a few people [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► running simulator tricks to kind of show [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► like what apps look like when they're [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► not updated for the iPhone 10 when [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► they're running on the iPhone 10 size [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► screen and they just look ridiculous [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► like it's almost as if they look almost [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► like when the iPad first came out and [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► you could run iPhone apps in a little [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► tiny window like in the middle of the [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► iPad yep it almost looks at that [TS]