The Accidental Tech Podcast

245: Senior-Citizen Advantage


00:00:00   I am NOT looking forward to Friday not [TS]

00:00:02   at all [TS]

00:00:05   listen you want do some follow-up yeah I [TS]

00:00:07   don't think we only have one item here [TS]

00:00:08   and it's a tiny little throwaway thing I [TS]

00:00:11   don't know here we go [TS]

00:00:12   how many times have we said this and [TS]

00:00:14   then it's like 40 minutes last time we [TS]

00:00:20   talked all about like Mac Pro's and [TS]

00:00:21   stuff maybe people were like okay fine [TS]

00:00:22   no was that actually the Mac Mini thing [TS]

00:00:27   is in a topic section is a natural [TS]

00:00:31   follow-on from the last thing not to be [TS]

00:00:33   confused with follow-up topic yes who [TS]

00:00:36   admitted follow-on I don't know is it [TS]

00:00:39   even a thing I think I was just using [TS]

00:00:40   the actual term the actual phrase as in [TS]

00:00:44   something that naturally comes after [TS]

00:00:45   another thing I mean you probably [TS]

00:00:47   thought the same thing when you were [TS]

00:00:48   first using follow-up and then it turns [TS]

00:00:51   out you invented that there was a format [TS]

00:00:53   associated with that there was a format [TS]

00:00:55   what's the format for follow-on just [TS]

00:00:57   when you in the next show you do a topic [TS]

00:00:58   that is a natural you know it naturally [TS]

00:01:03   follows the topic on the previous show I [TS]

00:01:04   don't know I think it's whatever you say [TS]

00:01:06   it is well we'll say if I do it if I do [TS]

00:01:09   it for like two years regularly with it [TS]

00:01:11   with a strict format and every single [TS]

00:01:13   episode then we'll see what we got so [TS]

00:01:15   let me just state for the record that we [TS]

00:01:17   immediately ended up on a tangent so the [TS]

00:01:27   only item I have is more chair follow-up [TS]

00:01:33   class last week I think I was sitting on [TS]

00:01:36   a gesture right I think you had just [TS]

00:01:37   started on the gesture like that day or [TS]

00:01:39   something recently yeah yeah so I used [TS]

00:01:41   it for a few days or whatever but I've [TS]

00:01:43   swapped it back now for the for the [TS]

00:01:46   embody and now we're like I took the old [TS]

00:01:48   chairs out of the room so now we're in [TS]

00:01:49   the actual trial period where I'm gonna [TS]

00:01:52   try one chair and my wife will try the [TS]

00:01:53   other and then we'll switch back and [TS]

00:01:54   forth and see how we go I kind of know [TS]

00:01:57   what I think of both of the chairs so [TS]

00:01:59   far and I wish there was one that was [TS]

00:02:04   just such a clear winner but the big [TS]

00:02:07   lumpy thing underneath Ian's body annoys [TS]

00:02:08   me but I think I like the embody like [TS]

00:02:13   I think it fits my body you better than [TS]

00:02:15   the gesture so anyway the only bit of [TS]

00:02:18   follow-up I have is last week I was [TS]

00:02:19   sitting on the gesture but I was [TS]

00:02:21   wondering how I was gonna figure out how [TS]

00:02:23   to take off the arms and I'm happy to [TS]

00:02:25   report that I did successfully remove [TS]

00:02:27   the arms without too much fuss it was [TS]

00:02:29   just a tiny little bit tricky it's not I [TS]

00:02:32   wasn't actually tricky like it's it's [TS]

00:02:33   straightforward unless you are if you [TS]

00:02:37   don't have a lot of experience [TS]

00:02:38   disassembling things it's you know and [TS]

00:02:42   this is how you get experiences [TS]

00:02:44   sometimes you do it the wrong way when [TS]

00:02:45   you're a kid a lot maybe adults don't do [TS]

00:02:46   this but frequently as a child if I [TS]

00:02:48   wanted to take something apart I took a [TS]

00:02:50   lot of things apart you would look at it [TS]

00:02:52   and be like I want that thing to come [TS]

00:02:54   off and you'd look around for a couple [TS]

00:02:57   seconds and see there's any obvious [TS]

00:02:58   screw heads poking out somewhere or [TS]

00:02:59   something like you know what do I need [TS]

00:03:01   to unscrew or untwist or whatever to [TS]

00:03:03   make this come out and if you don't see [TS]

00:03:05   anything you know then you're like well [TS]

00:03:06   I've got a lot of tools and I'm pretty [TS]

00:03:08   clever [TS]

00:03:09   I have opposable thumb said I'm a clever [TS]

00:03:11   little tool using monkey I can get that [TS]

00:03:13   off like it's coming off right you just [TS]

00:03:15   you you realize that you can do it [TS]

00:03:18   you're like I have I have leverage and [TS]

00:03:20   and friction and all sorts of things [TS]

00:03:23   that will get this thing off but you end [TS]

00:03:25   up destroying the thing when you're [TS]

00:03:26   taking it off and so the Steelcase [TS]

00:03:28   gesture chair is one of those devices [TS]

00:03:30   where any tool using monkey can look at [TS]

00:03:33   the thing and say I can get those arms [TS]

00:03:36   off probably like I kind of have an idea [TS]

00:03:38   like I see some some squishy plastic [TS]

00:03:40   bits that seem like they have seams and [TS]

00:03:41   even though I don't see any screws that [TS]

00:03:44   I can unscrew to get it undone I see a [TS]

00:03:46   lot of things that are soft enough that [TS]

00:03:48   I can pry them off and surely underneath [TS]

00:03:50   those things if I pry them off will be [TS]

00:03:52   the screws that I seek and I'll be able [TS]

00:03:54   to remove these arms but me having some [TS]

00:03:57   experience disassembling things knows [TS]

00:03:58   how this goes yeah you probably will [TS]

00:04:00   eventually do it that way but there's [TS]

00:04:02   also a very good chance that you will [TS]

00:04:03   pry off all these soft parts and damage [TS]

00:04:06   them and underneath them will just be [TS]

00:04:07   scary unyielding metal that doesn't help [TS]

00:04:09   you at all so take two seconds to think [TS]

00:04:12   about it and I did things I can [TS]

00:04:14   something about it I didn't pry the [TS]

00:04:15   thing out but didn't destroy because you [TS]

00:04:16   know it's expensive chair and I want to [TS]

00:04:17   you know be nice to it anyway like I [TS]

00:04:19   said this is so it comes with the [TS]

00:04:21   experience taking things apart so I [TS]

00:04:23   found yeah you could feel the underside [TS]

00:04:27   of [TS]

00:04:27   and very large ruse that were probably [TS]

00:04:29   holding the arms on but there's no way [TS]

00:04:31   you could get at the top of them because [TS]

00:04:33   there was no like there was you couldn't [TS]

00:04:35   see the top of them and like well this [TS]

00:04:38   chair went together [TS]

00:04:39   someone assembled this chair and it's [TS]

00:04:41   not like so many Apple things one way [TS]

00:04:43   assembly with like with tabs don't you [TS]

00:04:46   know untap or like things that I fix it [TS]

00:04:49   has to remove with heat because they're [TS]

00:04:50   glued like put this beanbag in the [TS]

00:04:52   microwave or even just things a lot of [TS]

00:04:57   things snap together like a plastic snap [TS]

00:04:59   together model or there's like a slot in [TS]

00:05:00   the tab and like they really only go in [TS]

00:05:02   one direction you have no way to push [TS]

00:05:04   that tab back out like without breaking [TS]

00:05:05   it but I figured a chair is not like [TS]

00:05:08   that so the trick of it in case you're [TS]

00:05:09   wondering is the seat of the Steelcase [TS]

00:05:12   chair slides forward and back on like a [TS]

00:05:14   little like it's like rack and pinion [TS]

00:05:16   steering there's like a little you know [TS]

00:05:17   rack thing and then a little gear that [TS]

00:05:19   turns right and I could see that to get [TS]

00:05:22   the top of the screw heads that I wanted [TS]

00:05:23   to get at they would probably be [TS]

00:05:24   underneath the back of the seat so I [TS]

00:05:27   moved the seat forward but I couldn't [TS]

00:05:28   remove the sort of plastic shroud it's [TS]

00:05:29   not like a car plastic shroud that was [TS]

00:05:31   probably covering what I imagined to be [TS]

00:05:32   the tops of those screws now my car with [TS]

00:05:35   a sweet if the seat goes forward [TS]

00:05:36   underneath the seat there's no screws [TS]

00:05:38   underneath there but this would one tiny [TS]

00:05:39   little tab that was like stopping the [TS]

00:05:42   seat from going completely forward so [TS]

00:05:44   you can move it forward and back and [TS]

00:05:45   what prevented it why did it stop going [TS]

00:05:48   forward this is one tiny little tab it [TS]

00:05:50   was made of flexible springy metal all [TS]

00:05:52   right so push that little springy tab [TS]

00:05:54   down into the slot and all of a sudden [TS]

00:05:56   the chair you can just keep turning the [TS]

00:05:58   dial the chair slides right off the [TS]

00:05:59   front like the seat slides right off the [TS]

00:06:00   front in one piece perfectly fine and [TS]

00:06:02   then you have access to the body of the [TS]

00:06:05   seat and then there's a plastic thing [TS]

00:06:07   with some little you know you peel off [TS]

00:06:08   the plastic shroud with some little [TS]

00:06:09   plastic cookie things in there you will [TS]

00:06:11   see the apparently expensive chair and [TS]

00:06:14   receive standard which is a t30 torx [TS]

00:06:16   screws and they were like six of them [TS]

00:06:19   and they were really hard to undo and [TS]

00:06:20   they're humongous at once I had all six [TS]

00:06:23   of them out the arms came right off no [TS]

00:06:24   damage done at all reassembled perfectly [TS]

00:06:27   so happy report that I have two armless [TS]

00:06:30   chairs and did not damage them and now I [TS]

00:06:32   of what I imagine is several hundred [TS]

00:06:35   dollars worth of useless arms up in my [TS]

00:06:37   attic that's by the way that's a I don't [TS]

00:06:45   even know if I would sell them because [TS]

00:06:46   I'm such a hoarder but um it's something [TS]

00:06:49   I wish I had known earlier is you can [TS]

00:06:51   buy the embody without arms for like a [TS]

00:06:53   hundred dollars less if you can find [TS]

00:06:56   someone who will sell to you you can [TS]

00:06:57   configure it without arms and you will [TS]

00:06:58   save like a hundred bucks on it so it's [TS]

00:07:00   no small on that as far as I could tell [TS]

00:07:01   there was no place where you could buy [TS]

00:07:02   the gesture without arms because gesture [TS]

00:07:05   the arms and the gesture are kind of [TS]

00:07:06   like half the point of the chair they're [TS]

00:07:08   very very configurable actually really [TS]

00:07:10   cool arms I just don't want them on my [TS]

00:07:12   chair so that's it for my update I'm [TS]

00:07:13   sitting on the embody there are no arms [TS]

00:07:15   and we're off to the races [TS]

00:07:17   life was good wait what what about your [TS]

00:07:19   wife though what if she wants arms on [TS]

00:07:21   her chair tough noogies she doesn't she [TS]

00:07:23   doesn't want them oh that was part of [TS]

00:07:24   the prenup no no it was not part of the [TS]

00:07:28   prenup but she told me I don't want arms [TS]

00:07:29   are they get in the way she's used to [TS]

00:07:31   having a chair with no arms as well and [TS]

00:07:32   they just there's get in the way so no [TS]

00:07:34   arms for anybody I think that's bananas [TS]

00:07:36   I can't imagine not having arms so much [TS]

00:07:38   I'm serious do like I explained this [TS]

00:07:40   like thing because you missed it like I [TS]

00:07:41   don't know people will deal with arms [TS]

00:07:43   not sure like if your if your arms are [TS]

00:07:46   positioned ergonomically on the keyboard [TS]

00:07:48   like it should be like if you looked if [TS]

00:07:49   you look at yourself sitting at the seat [TS]

00:07:51   in profile it should be a 90 degree L [TS]

00:07:54   from like your shoulder straight down to [TS]

00:07:56   your elbow and then 90 degrees out to [TS]

00:07:57   the keyboard right that's where you want [TS]

00:07:59   to be in that position [TS]

00:08:01   especially if you have longer arms like [TS]

00:08:03   mine your elbows are already low enough [TS]

00:08:04   that they're probably bumping into the [TS]

00:08:06   armrest like and even if the arm rests [TS]

00:08:10   are below where your arms are if you [TS]

00:08:12   relax or move or whatever your arms [TS]

00:08:14   might bump into the armrest and I just [TS]

00:08:16   feel like I feel constrained by the [TS]

00:08:17   armrest that my elbows are constantly [TS]

00:08:19   bumping them so then I find myself [TS]

00:08:20   pulling in my elbows to instinctively [TS]

00:08:22   avoid bumping into the armrest and that [TS]

00:08:24   is uncomfortable intent so that's the [TS]

00:08:26   first thing and the second thing is I [TS]

00:08:27   apparently getting in and out of the [TS]

00:08:29   chair sideways all the time and when [TS]

00:08:31   there are arms there you can't do that [TS]

00:08:33   like you know you have to climb over [TS]

00:08:35   them you have to rotate there pull out [TS]

00:08:36   the chair and by the way these chairs [TS]

00:08:37   are really heavy I wish they were [TS]

00:08:38   lighter and they don't roll that well on [TS]

00:08:40   the carpet but but by my as I get into [TS]

00:08:42   the chairs from the side and once [TS]

00:08:43   they're arms you can't get in from the [TS]

00:08:44   side [TS]

00:08:45   third the arms hit against my keyboard [TS]

00:08:47   trade because of the height they would [TS]

00:08:48   have to be like if I put the arms below [TS]

00:08:51   the level like you were traded be so low [TS]

00:08:52   that they'd be like hitting my hips and [TS]

00:08:54   not my elbows but like what the hell is [TS]

00:08:55   the point thing so they just they just [TS]

00:08:58   arms just don't fit into my chair life [TS]

00:09:00   at all and I imagine a lot of people who [TS]

00:09:02   have arms in their chair who don't mess [TS]

00:09:03   with them their keyboard is too high [TS]

00:09:05   like if your keyboard is on your desk [TS]

00:09:07   chances are good your keyboard is too [TS]

00:09:08   high like if you sit properly and type [TS]

00:09:11   and your arms do not make perfect [TS]

00:09:13   90-degree ELLs or a larger angle so like [TS]

00:09:16   you know 95 degrees or whatever so that [TS]

00:09:18   see the angle at your elbows is bigger [TS]

00:09:20   than 90 then you're probably your [TS]

00:09:23   keyboard is 200 which may not bother you [TS]

00:09:24   but it's super bothers me a lot now all [TS]

00:09:27   I can think of is I'm envisioning you [TS]

00:09:30   mounting a chair by hopping one leg over [TS]

00:09:33   it like Jonathan Frakes you know I was [TS]

00:09:35   gonna pull I was gonna do a reference [TS]

00:09:37   there like nobody's gonna get that but I [TS]

00:09:38   guess yeah me me enough the case you got [TS]

00:09:40   it oh come on I love the next generation [TS]

00:09:43   well I got to do this to me dad yeah but [TS]

00:09:44   when you watch next generation did you [TS]

00:09:46   know about that or did you all course [TS]

00:09:47   about it after the meme came yeah only [TS]

00:09:49   after I think I'm more disappointed when [TS]

00:09:54   I here at John siracusa mmm-hmm then [TS]

00:09:56   when my own father does the equivalent [TS]

00:09:58   this is an abusive relationship let's [TS]

00:10:05   just move on to ask ATP and Jonathan [TS]

00:10:08   Rogers would like to know how do you all [TS]

00:10:09   feel about Bitcoin slash crypto [TS]

00:10:11   currencies do you think that there is a [TS]

00:10:12   real long-term value in them or they [TS]

00:10:14   just short-term speculation plays do you [TS]

00:10:16   buy into the underlying structure for [TS]

00:10:18   sustaining billions of transactions in [TS]

00:10:19   the future do you and do you hold any [TS]

00:10:21   coins of any type I know almost nothing [TS]

00:10:25   about any of this and have no [TS]

00:10:26   cryptocurrencies of any sort and I would [TS]

00:10:29   love to be enlightened and I did here [TS]

00:10:31   Glenn Fleischmann I think on the talk [TS]

00:10:32   show try to describe well he did [TS]

00:10:33   describe Bitcoin and it still flew right [TS]

00:10:36   over my head and so I just don't get it [TS]

00:10:39   I treat Bitcoin the same way I treat all [TS]

00:10:42   other kind of you know high-risk mostly [TS]

00:10:45   luck based or speculation based [TS]

00:10:47   investments which is this is a game that [TS]

00:10:49   other people play that I should not play [TS]

00:10:53   and so I don't play I I don't even own [TS]

00:10:56   individual stocks anymore like I used to [TS]

00:10:58   you know [TS]

00:10:59   I used to have like some of my savings [TS]

00:11:01   be a neat trade account that I could buy [TS]

00:11:03   and sell individual stocks from I did [TS]

00:11:05   for for a couple of years and I came out [TS]

00:11:09   a little ahead but I was always worried [TS]

00:11:10   about it and the ups and downs really [TS]

00:11:12   annoyed me and and stressed me out and [TS]

00:11:14   like all the index funds over this over [TS]

00:11:16   the same time beat my performance it [TS]

00:11:20   wasn't like I was being particularly [TS]

00:11:21   special or clever that pretty much any [TS]

00:11:24   kind of like manually managed individual [TS]

00:11:28   investments like this are I think not a [TS]

00:11:33   good use of my time or my money your if [TS]

00:11:36   you are more if you're a person who's [TS]

00:11:38   more into doing that and and you and you [TS]

00:11:40   get a lot of interest and value out of [TS]

00:11:42   that that can be your game and and more [TS]

00:11:45   power to you but I decided that the best [TS]

00:11:48   way for me to make more money was to [TS]

00:11:50   just do things that made me that made me [TS]

00:11:52   money like do more of them and and that [TS]

00:11:54   was like better than trying to extract [TS]

00:11:56   an extra you know 5 or 10% a year out of [TS]

00:11:58   some some potentially lucky investments [TS]

00:12:00   that often times weren't so lucky [TS]

00:12:02   Bitcoin to me is is no different than [TS]

00:12:04   playing stocks it really isn't it's it's [TS]

00:12:08   a volatile foreign currency basically [TS]

00:12:10   like you know foreign exchange markets [TS]

00:12:11   commodity market these there are all [TS]

00:12:13   types of commodity trading Bitcoin is [TS]

00:12:16   not the first thing to do this like it's [TS]

00:12:17   a rose for a very long time it is it is [TS]

00:12:21   very clear what can happen in this world [TS]

00:12:22   what can go well what can go poorly [TS]

00:12:24   Bitcoin is in some ways even less secure [TS]

00:12:27   than let's think because of the way it [TS]

00:12:29   works but you know as a way to make [TS]

00:12:32   money I I wouldn't advise people put a [TS]

00:12:36   lot of faith in systems like this as a [TS]

00:12:39   fun thing to play around with or if [TS]

00:12:41   you're doing it for more political [TS]

00:12:42   reasons like you want to make a [TS]

00:12:43   statement about not being part of the [TS]

00:12:45   you know like the the official banking [TS]

00:12:47   systems and everything that you know you [TS]

00:12:49   might have other reasons but for making [TS]

00:12:51   money I don't think I think it's just [TS]

00:12:54   you know you might as well go to Vegas [TS]

00:12:56   like it's if you it's just gambling it's [TS]

00:12:57   just a different form of gambling so I [TS]

00:13:01   view this kind of in the same category [TS]

00:13:03   as many other things in my life where I [TS]

00:13:07   feel like I was well positioned [TS]

00:13:12   to know about this type of because it's [TS]

00:13:16   a tech thing well positioned to know [TS]

00:13:17   about this thing more than regular [TS]

00:13:19   people to know about it sooner to [TS]

00:13:20   understand it better to sort of get into [TS]

00:13:22   the ground floor like another example [TS]

00:13:24   are a lot of like the internet IPOs and [TS]

00:13:26   stuff you know back in the days when no [TS]

00:13:28   one understood the internet but I [TS]

00:13:29   certainly did because I was on it very [TS]

00:13:30   early right as a techy person there are [TS]

00:13:33   some you have some advantages in some [TS]

00:13:35   realms and Bitcoin falls into that [TS]

00:13:37   category and like all those other things [TS]

00:13:40   I kind of think of it as yet another [TS]

00:13:44   case where I failed to make a lot of [TS]

00:13:47   money and I could have because like for [TS]

00:13:50   example you know if we all knew we know [TS]

00:13:52   now and put us back into 1990 like we [TS]

00:13:55   would all be billionaires because you [TS]

00:13:57   just know you would know to like first [TS]

00:13:59   of all buy all the domain names you can [TS]

00:14:00   get for like common names because some [TS]

00:14:02   company will buy them from you later [TS]

00:14:03   like second of all sync all your money [TS]

00:14:05   and the stocks that we know are gonna go [TS]

00:14:06   crazy right like you know it's easy to [TS]

00:14:08   go back in time and understand but we [TS]

00:14:10   were there early and it's like I knew do [TS]

00:14:11   my names would have value but they were [TS]

00:14:13   like you know 200 bucks to get one with [TS]

00:14:15   Verisign or whatever and I couldn't [TS]

00:14:17   afford that because I was a college [TS]

00:14:19   student you know we're working a [TS]

00:14:20   part-time job to pay for my books it [TS]

00:14:23   11-a know crappy dorm like I didn't you [TS]

00:14:24   know it was it was timing was kind of [TS]

00:14:27   good but not really same thing with [TS]

00:14:28   investment I could have invested I could [TS]

00:14:31   have got a large amount of VA Linux [TS]

00:14:33   stock because I contributed to Sipan [TS]

00:14:35   right but I didn't have that kind of [TS]

00:14:36   money to invest and I could have got [TS]

00:14:38   like a five hundred percent return on my [TS]

00:14:40   investment if I had had the money to [TS]

00:14:41   invest right so Bitcoin similarly when [TS]

00:14:45   Bitcoin was first going around I was [TS]

00:14:46   like oh I you know I read up on it I [TS]

00:14:48   learned about it understood what the [TS]

00:14:49   deal with it was I got to even got to [TS]

00:14:51   the point where I downloaded the [TS]

00:14:52   software and was mining for coins on my [TS]

00:14:54   incredibly slow computer wherever the [TS]

00:14:56   hell it was at that time right but I [TS]

00:14:58   didn't you know didn't take it super [TS]

00:15:01   seriously and didn't invest a lot of [TS]

00:15:03   time in it and you know it was kind of [TS]

00:15:05   boring to mine for coins and I was like [TS]

00:15:07   yeah like I think I I don't remember [TS]

00:15:09   what I got out of it some fractional [TS]

00:15:12   Bitcoin probably exists on some backup [TS]

00:15:13   of my hard drive somewhere or you know I [TS]

00:15:15   don't know if I got one Bitcoin you [TS]

00:15:17   should dig that up it's worth 700 bucks [TS]

00:15:19   now like I don't even know [TS]

00:15:20   the hell that crap is there's just [TS]

00:15:21   another problem with the system that is [TS]

00:15:23   so based on like you know do you ever [TS]

00:15:25   lose track your files well how would you [TS]

00:15:26   feel those files were worth about [TS]

00:15:27   thousands of dollars so but but unlike [TS]

00:15:33   the investing gambling things it was the [TS]

00:15:35   type of situation where there was the [TS]

00:15:38   possibility because that you are a nerd [TS]

00:15:40   that you could have with like with no [TS]

00:15:42   risk and no money upfront it sounds like [TS]

00:15:44   an ad like you just spend a little time [TS]

00:15:46   on your computer because you're there [TS]

00:15:47   early and because it was easier to mine [TS]

00:15:49   coins in the beginning than it is now [TS]

00:15:50   right computationally speaking you could [TS]

00:15:54   have done what many people did is if [TS]

00:15:55   you're just a little bit more interested [TS]

00:15:57   in and you had mined coins a little bit [TS]

00:15:59   more thoroughly for like a month or [TS]

00:16:01   something that didn't cost you anything [TS]

00:16:04   it's not like you're putting your life [TS]

00:16:05   savings into it you spent a little bit [TS]

00:16:06   of time and you're having some fun and [TS]

00:16:08   it's hobbing is an interesting thing [TS]

00:16:09   let's take a look and why you do this [TS]

00:16:10   because you're a nerd and you know about [TS]

00:16:11   this stuff and that would be worth a [TS]

00:16:13   huge amount of money now but I didn't do [TS]

00:16:15   that so well the way I view Bitcoin is [TS]

00:16:17   if you were in really early and minded [TS]

00:16:20   when they were easy and held them [TS]

00:16:22   instead of buying them to order pizzas [TS]

00:16:23   like so many people did in the sad [TS]

00:16:24   stories where they they ordered they [TS]

00:16:26   sold their bitcoins in order to pizza [TS]

00:16:28   for 20 bucks and now the the bitcoins [TS]

00:16:31   that they ordered that pizza with are [TS]

00:16:32   worth like you know 50 grand and I feel [TS]

00:16:34   bad about it or I guess I suppose that [TS]

00:16:35   would be worse but but that time is over [TS]

00:16:38   like we all missed that and now it is [TS]

00:16:40   like Marco said it's just like okay well [TS]

00:16:42   now you look at it and you're like this [TS]

00:16:45   is just a giant soap bubble floating [TS]

00:16:47   through the air that's either about to [TS]

00:16:49   burst or something terrible will happen [TS]

00:16:51   or like it is it is so incredibly risky [TS]

00:16:54   and scary and you're you know supposed [TS]

00:16:59   to buy low and sell high not buy a high [TS]

00:17:00   and hope it's gonna go way higher and [TS]

00:17:02   obviously that's terrible advice if ever [TS]

00:17:04   you if you're thinking of investing in [TS]

00:17:05   Apple and it's ten years ago but there's [TS]

00:17:08   risk like and it's it's not you have to [TS]

00:17:10   put you have to put in money to make [TS]

00:17:12   money at this point where is in the [TS]

00:17:13   beginning you put in like nothing to [TS]

00:17:15   make potentially huge or nothing to make [TS]

00:17:17   nothing I like penny stocks you know [TS]

00:17:19   it's like very little investment [TS]

00:17:20   probably is gonna come to nothing but [TS]

00:17:22   it's but it's such a small amount and [TS]

00:17:24   it's a fun thing to do if you're into [TS]

00:17:25   this nerdy stuff it's kind of fun it's [TS]

00:17:26   like steady at home but for money so so [TS]

00:17:30   so I regret obviously not [TS]

00:17:33   getting more into it earlier but what [TS]

00:17:35   can you do you can't tell the future and [TS]

00:17:37   so anyway I have no interested in [TS]

00:17:40   getting into it now I don't quite [TS]

00:17:41   understand how they could ever sustain [TS]

00:17:43   any large transaction volume I see lots [TS]

00:17:45   of potential pitfalls this but I think [TS]

00:17:47   it is very technically interesting using [TS]

00:17:49   math to make a bunch of parties who [TS]

00:17:52   don't trust each other have a verifiable [TS]

00:17:55   trust relationship for transactions I [TS]

00:17:56   think that's an important advancement [TS]

00:17:58   both the the math behind it which is [TS]

00:18:00   probably not that new but the [TS]

00:18:02   implementations of it which it is new [TS]

00:18:04   idea to say can we actually implement [TS]

00:18:06   this in a safe way without bugs and [TS]

00:18:07   problems and without letting more than [TS]

00:18:09   51% of the swarm get a quorum and and [TS]

00:18:11   you know tip the whole market or [TS]

00:18:13   whatever the hell anyway I think it's [TS]

00:18:15   cool but it's not for me as much as I am [TS]

00:18:18   staying far away from it I'd always have [TS]

00:18:20   had no desire to to get into it for [TS]

00:18:22   financial reasons it is technically [TS]

00:18:25   beautiful like it is an amazing [TS]

00:18:28   technical accomplishment and idea and I [TS]

00:18:31   really respect that but you know despite [TS]

00:18:33   all of its other problems it is pretty [TS]

00:18:35   awesome of an idea and a concept and and [TS]

00:18:38   I could have no interest in gambling [TS]

00:18:41   with it as a financial instrument well [TS]

00:18:43   it's not beautiful about it [TS]

00:18:44   unfortunately is that due to the [TS]

00:18:46   constraints of the current [TS]

00:18:47   implementations as in like what is it up [TS]

00:18:49   parties that don't trust each other can [TS]

00:18:51   have verifiable relationships at low [TS]

00:18:53   transaction volumes it has found its [TS]

00:18:55   ecological the ecological niche which is [TS]

00:18:58   you know selling drugs and illegal [TS]

00:19:01   things there's a small number of parties [TS]

00:19:03   who really really don't trust each other [TS]

00:19:04   and really don't want to use the banking [TS]

00:19:06   system and they don't have a large [TS]

00:19:07   transaction volume right and so that's [TS]

00:19:10   kind of it's kind of sad right that's [TS]

00:19:13   but but the transaction volume actually [TS]

00:19:14   is a problem you can't move the entire [TS]

00:19:15   banking system to a cryptocurrency until [TS]

00:19:17   they sort those things out and who knows [TS]

00:19:19   if they will but I do really like the [TS]

00:19:21   idea of whatever disintermediation or [TS]

00:19:23   whatever the phrase was from the 90s [TS]

00:19:25   which i think is still an important [TS]

00:19:26   thing because nobody likes middlemen [TS]

00:19:29   when the middleman is math well the [TS]

00:19:35   other problem that is like the [TS]

00:19:37   environmental cost of Bitcoin is really [TS]

00:19:40   non-trivial like the amount of energy [TS]

00:19:44   being wasted because all of a sudden [TS]

00:19:47   wasting massive amounts of energy now [TS]

00:19:50   has a financial upside for the people [TS]

00:19:52   who are doing it much more so than I [TS]

00:19:53   think it ever has before for doing [TS]

00:19:55   apparently no other work that that is [TS]

00:19:58   not good like it is a beautiful [TS]

00:20:01   technical system that yeah I think if [TS]

00:20:03   you're right that like if it never [TS]

00:20:05   scaled to be incredibly big it would [TS]

00:20:08   have stayed a beautiful technical system [TS]

00:20:09   but because of how big it is and because [TS]

00:20:12   of how much money could be made in it [TS]

00:20:14   and you know all the it basically it's [TS]

00:20:17   being like you know exploited like crazy [TS]

00:20:19   for for financial gain and the result is [TS]

00:20:22   a pretty nasty burning of energy for no [TS]

00:20:26   reason indeed moving on neo and Tendo [TS]

00:20:32   nada which apparently somebody is [TS]

00:20:33   translated to I do not understand [TS]

00:20:35   anything would like to ask do you think [TS]

00:20:38   the next iPhone se will be called iPhone [TS]

00:20:41   SC X which was a funny thought to say [TS]

00:20:45   the least the way that the model 3 yeah [TS]

00:20:48   exactly [TS]

00:20:48   uh-huh my thoughts on this is that the [TS]

00:20:52   iPhone se will just continue to be the [TS]

00:20:53   iPhone se it will be more like a trim [TS]

00:20:57   level if you will than an individual [TS]

00:21:00   model like iPhone 7 and so there will be [TS]

00:21:03   if there is another iPhone se which um [TS]

00:21:06   I'd think there probably will be and if [TS]

00:21:09   it eventually gets all the nifty bits [TS]

00:21:10   from the iPhone 10 then I think it will [TS]

00:21:13   still just be the iPhone se it'll just [TS]

00:21:15   be the you know 2018 edition if you will [TS]

00:21:18   no I don't mean that in the literal [TS]

00:21:19   sense but it'll just be than the next [TS]

00:21:20   version of it what do you think Marco [TS]

00:21:22   honestly I don't really care it's it's a [TS]

00:21:25   very nice important product but I don't [TS]

00:21:27   really care what the name is I could [TS]

00:21:29   also say they might do se too I share [TS]

00:21:31   your opinion that it will probably get [TS]

00:21:33   an update [TS]

00:21:33   I would I would expect it to get my pay [TS]

00:21:35   probably next spring maybe it's called [TS]

00:21:37   the SE - maybe it's called the new [TS]

00:21:38   iPhone se maybe it's called the iPhone [TS]

00:21:40   se 2018 or whatever like it's fine I put [TS]

00:21:44   this question in here because I thought [TS]

00:21:45   it would be a quickie because I didn't [TS]

00:21:46   think anyone would seriously try to [TS]

00:21:48   answer it like you just did but good job [TS]

00:21:51   I just took put it in here as yet [TS]

00:21:53   another opportunity for me to tell an [TS]

00:21:55   old Mac person a story don't know I'm [TS]

00:21:57   glad some people know chatroom do know [TS]

00:21:59   this that shows that the right kind of [TS]

00:22:00   old people are in our chat [TS]

00:22:01   but back in like 1988-89 the the Mac two [TS]

00:22:08   had just come out and the successor to [TS]

00:22:10   the Mac two was called the Mac 2x it was [TS]

00:22:13   a faster version of the Mac two and the [TS]

00:22:15   Mac se was the contemporary of the Mac - [TS]

00:22:17   the all-in-one in temporary so they made [TS]

00:22:19   that the Mac two gave way to the Mac 2x [TS]

00:22:21   so have the Mac SC naturally it should [TS]

00:22:24   give way to the Mac se X but of course [TS]

00:22:27   they didn't want to do that because it [TS]

00:22:28   spells out sex and they and their you [TS]

00:22:29   know didn't have a product for that name [TS]

00:22:31   so instead of calling it then the Mac se [TS]

00:22:34   X they called the Mac SE / 30 and the [TS]

00:22:37   su-30 is my favorite Mac ever and its [TS]

00:22:40   entire name is derived from Apple's [TS]

00:22:42   desire not to have a computer named sex [TS]

00:22:44   and so it's funny all these years later [TS]

00:22:47   that they have painted themselves into [TS]

00:22:49   the same corner by having a successor [TS]

00:22:50   product with a capital letter X in its [TS]

00:22:52   name and having a product with se whose [TS]

00:22:55   natural successor were they to follow [TS]

00:22:56   that naming convention and make one with [TS]

00:22:58   a notch or something would have an X and [TS]

00:23:00   so I think they should call it the [TS]

00:23:00   iPhone su-30 well and also I mean [TS]

00:23:03   realistically speaking you know sex [TS]

00:23:04   thing aside the X or 10 branding is the [TS]

00:23:08   high end phone and it's gonna remain the [TS]

00:23:10   high end phone for probably quite some [TS]

00:23:12   time I would honestly be surprised if by [TS]

00:23:15   the time like if the use of the letter X [TS]

00:23:18   in the iPhone name does indeed end up [TS]

00:23:21   filtering down the line which is not a [TS]

00:23:23   given it might not if it filters down [TS]

00:23:25   the line over over time either by the [TS]

00:23:26   time it gets to the point where it would [TS]

00:23:28   be suitable to use on a low-end model [TS]

00:23:30   the iPhone se will not be the name [TS]

00:23:32   that's used anymore for that model like [TS]

00:23:33   they will have moved on to some other [TS]

00:23:35   naming convention where se is no longer [TS]

00:23:37   used so it's a funny question but like I [TS]

00:23:41   don't think it would it would even be in [TS]

00:23:43   a consideration because they're not [TS]

00:23:45   bringing the letter X down that low in [TS]

00:23:47   line in any way its capital and it's a [TS]

00:23:50   10 like back in the Mac days it was it [TS]

00:23:52   was a lowercase X and it was pronounced [TS]

00:23:54   X so it really would have been capital s [TS]

00:23:57   capital e lowercase X and the 2x was [TS]

00:23:58   Roman numeral 2 you know two big bars [TS]

00:24:01   and then the lowercase X so that was it [TS]

00:24:04   I just wanted to tell the story of the [TS]

00:24:05   ac30 for the people who don't know it I [TS]

00:24:07   feel better for having known that story [TS]

00:24:10   and in in a very sad and terrible turn [TS]

00:24:14   of events I did not get to do the ask [TS]

00:24:18   ATP notes before John did and normally [TS]

00:24:22   that'd be kind of nice because I've had [TS]

00:24:23   a busy week but John is that the [TS]

00:24:26   following question to ask ATP so if you [TS]

00:24:29   have any upset or angry emails that you [TS]

00:24:32   would like to send or tweets please send [TS]

00:24:33   them to John siracusa anyway James or [TS]

00:24:36   James D who asks what's the blest best [TS]

00:24:39   place to start when trying to listen to [TS]

00:24:41   fish John do you have any opinions on [TS]

00:24:44   this that everybody should get a [TS]

00:24:47   question that's aimed at them every once [TS]

00:24:48   in a while so this one's for you marker [TS]

00:24:50   Casey do you want to go first I would [TS]

00:24:54   say that you're gonna say some sort of [TS]

00:24:56   live show probably the New Year's Eve [TS]

00:24:57   show from the most recent year okay so [TS]

00:25:00   basically what you need to know when [TS]

00:25:02   getting into fish is that the album's [TS]

00:25:05   are a great place to start to get to [TS]

00:25:07   know what their music roughly sounds [TS]

00:25:09   like but what most fish fans listen to [TS]

00:25:12   most of the time is the live shows [TS]

00:25:14   because they are substantially better if [TS]

00:25:17   fish is the kind of thing you're into [TS]

00:25:19   like it's like you can listen to the [TS]

00:25:21   album's first and they're on every [TS]

00:25:22   streaming service now it's like if and [TS]

00:25:23   everybody has a streaming subscription [TS]

00:25:25   for something these days so you can [TS]

00:25:28   listen to fish music I'm pretty much [TS]

00:25:29   anywhere you know any service you have I [TS]

00:25:31   would suggest start if if you can if [TS]

00:25:35   your service has it and most of them do [TS]

00:25:37   start with one of the live albums now [TS]

00:25:40   it's a little different than most bands [TS]

00:25:42   in that while they have live album [TS]

00:25:44   releases that that span like the last 20 [TS]

00:25:46   years they put out like you know maybe [TS]

00:25:48   10 of maybe 10 like official albums that [TS]

00:25:50   are live and like one of the first ones [TS]

00:25:51   called a live one that's on all the [TS]

00:25:53   services you can definitely listen to a [TS]

00:25:55   live one if you wanted to and it's good [TS]

00:25:58   but unlike most bands every single fish [TS]

00:26:01   show every concert they do is recorded [TS]

00:26:05   from the soundboard professionally [TS]

00:26:07   mastered and released a few hours after [TS]

00:26:08   the show ends as a legal purchasable [TS]

00:26:11   download from a site that they're [TS]

00:26:13   affiliated with called live fish com I [TS]

00:26:15   think live fish also has a OS apps where [TS]

00:26:18   I think you can stream for free you just [TS]

00:26:21   can't pick what they're playing but it's [TS]

00:26:22   like a constant live stream [TS]

00:26:24   that I think you can do for free so if [TS]

00:26:26   you listen on your streaming service of [TS]

00:26:27   choice and you decide that this is [TS]

00:26:29   something you want to hear more of the [TS]

00:26:32   way to get more into it is not to go [TS]

00:26:33   listen to all their studio albums if you [TS]

00:26:35   don't really it the way to get into it [TS]

00:26:37   is to listen to more live shows and once [TS]

00:26:39   you exhaust the official releases [TS]

00:26:41   they've done over time the way to get [TS]

00:26:43   more into it after that is to go to live [TS]

00:26:46   fish either their app or the website and [TS]

00:26:48   either preview for free or buy the stuff [TS]

00:26:51   there and that's it and enjoy that took [TS]

00:26:56   a lot less time than I expected I hope [TS]

00:26:58   you'll insert some fish clip after you [TS]

00:27:00   say the word enjoy at that point just [TS]

00:27:02   like a guitar riff there are like three [TS]

00:27:05   of the words from the middle of the nine [TS]

00:27:06   words that are in the middle of the half [TS]

00:27:07   an hour song [TS]

00:27:17   you have to put in meat stick because [TS]

00:27:20   that is the most preposterous fish song [TS]

00:27:26   well which one I have hold on 37 [TS]

00:27:31   recordings of meat stick [TS]

00:27:32   in my collection so for reference I have [TS]

00:27:35   77 hundred fish songs over one hundred [TS]

00:27:39   and twelve gigs that span 42 days of [TS]

00:27:42   total time and that's only what they've [TS]

00:27:44   done since about 2009 and you buy every [TS]

00:27:47   single show is that right yeah by the [TS]

00:27:49   like they have like season passes on [TS]

00:27:50   live fish whenever they whenever they [TS]

00:27:52   like a new tour is announced and you can [TS]

00:27:54   pre-order the entire tour as legal [TS]

00:27:56   downloads so I just do that so it's like [TS]

00:27:58   usually it's like a couple hundred bucks [TS]

00:27:59   for like a whole summer tour or [TS]

00:28:01   something like that and I just do that [TS]

00:28:03   if you're so in a point to like if [TS]

00:28:06   you're more into going to concerts they [TS]

00:28:09   put on a great show and they put on lots [TS]

00:28:10   of them and so even though they sell out [TS]

00:28:13   like they put on just so many shows that [TS]

00:28:15   they aren't that hard to get into if you [TS]

00:28:17   if you try and you don't have to like [TS]

00:28:19   pay a ridiculous price to do it or [TS]

00:28:20   anything so if you are a concert goer I [TS]

00:28:23   highly suggest you go to their concerts [TS]

00:28:25   I personally just don't enjoy going to [TS]

00:28:27   concerts very much I have been to [TS]

00:28:28   exactly one Phish show and it was fine [TS]

00:28:31   but I didn't feel like I need to go to [TS]

00:28:32   more I really love listening to the live [TS]

00:28:35   shows but I'm not a concert person but [TS]

00:28:36   if you're a concert person especially if [TS]

00:28:38   you're into the drug scene at all which [TS]

00:28:39   again I am NOT they are apparently a [TS]

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00:29:37   city but it's awesome if you want to do [TS]

00:29:40   things like listen to a podcast or take [TS]

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00:29:45   running or cycling where you really need [TS]

00:29:47   to hear the world around you for [TS]

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00:29:54   to listen to podcasts and you want to [TS]

00:29:56   know maybe when your kid upstairs wakes [TS]

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00:30:03   environments not for like pristine music [TS]

00:30:05   listening but for practical speech [TS]

00:30:07   content of phone calls podcasts [TS]

00:30:10   audiobooks it's great for that when [TS]

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00:30:37   can't go wrong with Eve of them honestly [TS]

00:30:38   check out the lineup today at ATP [TS]

00:30:40   aftershocks calm that's ATP aftershocks [TS]

00:30:44   calm thank you so much to aftershocks [TS]

00:30:46   for sponsoring our show so this week as [TS]

00:30:52   we record in fact it will be in just a [TS]

00:30:55   couple of days is iPhone 10 pre-order [TS]

00:30:59   time because the world revolves around [TS]

00:31:02   California and California stuck in the [TS]

00:31:05   past which is to say outside of Hawaii [TS]

00:31:06   and I guess Alaska it is the last [TS]

00:31:09   American time zone please don't email me [TS]

00:31:12   the pre-orders will go up at midnight [TS]

00:31:15   California time and as as they do every [TS]

00:31:19   year California gives a big middle [TS]

00:31:21   finger to the rest of the world / [TS]

00:31:22   especially country and at 3 o'clock in [TS]

00:31:25   the morning I will be waking up on [TS]

00:31:27   Friday morning to pre-order to iPhone [TS]

00:31:30   tens one for me one for Aaron and I [TS]

00:31:33   genuinely genuinely will be stunned if I [TS]

00:31:37   receive either of these in 2017 [TS]

00:31:41   I will be getting one of the I don't [TS]

00:31:43   remember the official name white and one [TS]

00:31:45   of the I don't remember the official [TS]

00:31:46   name black it's both 256 gigs because [TS]

00:31:51   children and movies and things of that [TS]

00:31:55   nature and I will be sufficiently broke [TS]

00:31:57   they're after John what is your [TS]

00:31:59   intention for this coming Friday so [TS]

00:32:02   that's the reason I put this topic in [TS]

00:32:03   was just to have someone who knows and [TS]

00:32:06   cares more than I do tell me exactly [TS]

00:32:08   what time this is happening so I can [TS]

00:32:10   decide whether I'm gonna be doing [TS]

00:32:11   anything obviously I'm not ordering one [TS]

00:32:12   for myself potentially I could be trying [TS]

00:32:15   to do this at 3 a.m. for my wife for her [TS]

00:32:18   phone I need her to tell me what color [TS]

00:32:20   she wants and what size I guess those [TS]

00:32:22   the only options right [TS]

00:32:23   color in size yeah yeah there's only two [TS]

00:32:26   sizes 64 256 right so yeah because even [TS]

00:32:30   it like I think she wants to know [TS]

00:32:33   whether she really wants this first but [TS]

00:32:36   you can always cancel an order so it [TS]

00:32:37   kind of makes sense to just like try to [TS]

00:32:39   get in and if you happen to get an order [TS]

00:32:40   and you're lucky fine and probably [TS]

00:32:42   before your order ships you'll be able [TS]

00:32:43   to like see it in a store or something [TS]

00:32:44   I'm assuming I think I was just returned [TS]

00:32:47   after what is the 14 day return window [TS]

00:32:49   or whatever yeah yeah so I assume that [TS]

00:32:52   she's gonna want a pre-order for this [TS]

00:32:55   and so this may be the first time I [TS]

00:32:56   actually do is I've never done it before [TS]

00:32:57   cuz I was just wait for my phones and [TS]

00:32:58   normally she doesn't care what we do but [TS]

00:33:00   I think she's getting impatient with our [TS]

00:33:01   phone which by the way this is her phone [TS]

00:33:03   she's got an iPhone 6s plus and it's got [TS]

00:33:06   the latest version of iOS 11 on it and [TS]

00:33:08   she says it's like slowing down and [TS]

00:33:11   getting all sort of stuttery and stuff [TS]

00:33:14   and I didn't notice her animations for [TS]

00:33:15   stuttery so I turn down reduce emotions [TS]

00:33:17   like that it's fixed no more stuttering [TS]

00:33:19   animations but he still complains that [TS]

00:33:20   it it's slow and crab but maybe hurt [TS]

00:33:22   maybe her storage just filling up I got [TS]

00:33:25   to look at it but if anyone has any [TS]

00:33:27   bright ideas and how to if it's some [TS]

00:33:30   sort of problem related to iOS 11 that [TS]

00:33:32   makes iPhone 6s plus is slow down [TS]

00:33:34   because 6s Plus isn't that old I think [TS]

00:33:36   it should be fine but anyway she's [TS]

00:33:38   getting frustrated with her current [TS]

00:33:39   phone and wants the phone sooner rather [TS]

00:33:41   than later so if she can't get in a [TS]

00:33:43   pre-order for this she might just buy an [TS]

00:33:46   8 plus which would be her probably fine [TS]

00:33:48   and she'd be happy with it but it's [TS]

00:33:50   certainly more boring than than trying [TS]

00:33:51   the 10 let me just put it on record John [TS]

00:33:54   before [TS]

00:33:54   here Markos intentions that if you order [TS]

00:33:57   tea no phone and if she does not want it [TS]

00:33:59   I would like dibs on it's gonna be I [TS]

00:34:03   don't care or what sighs whatever 64 I [TS]

00:34:06   don't care I am that like so this is [TS]

00:34:10   this is the first world he is to first [TS]

00:34:11   of all problems right that I'm this [TS]

00:34:12   worked up as I get every year about [TS]

00:34:15   getting the new Apple hotness quickly [TS]

00:34:17   but this is even worse than every other [TS]

00:34:19   year because Apple has all but come out [TS]

00:34:21   and said or maybe they did say at some [TS]

00:34:23   point but they've all become out and [TS]

00:34:24   said good friggin luck getting this [TS]

00:34:26   anytime soon so I am trying to work [TS]

00:34:29   whatever angle I can in order to get [TS]

00:34:31   myself in iphone 10 as quickly as [TS]

00:34:33   possible [TS]

00:34:34   that being said Marco what's your [TS]

00:34:35   intention so I'm gonna get well I'm [TS]

00:34:39   going to try to get I love Kim albergue [TS]

00:34:45   user in the chat said the official color [TS]

00:34:47   names are kind of black and somewhat [TS]

00:34:49   white I'm going for some white variety [TS]

00:34:54   yeah you know so I've I've had every [TS]

00:34:58   single iPhone that I've had so far has [TS]

00:35:01   been in whatever version of black was [TS]

00:35:03   the black and black they had that year [TS]

00:35:04   like I have Jeff like iPhone 7 currently [TS]

00:35:08   and you know before that just Space Gray [TS]

00:35:10   Space Gray basically it's funny Apple [TS]

00:35:12   has no idea what color space is clearly [TS]

00:35:13   how all the different space grades I've [TS]

00:35:15   had but it's just in various points in [TS]

00:35:17   the past I have had interest in getting [TS]

00:35:19   one of the lighter backed ones like the [TS]

00:35:20   silver backed ones just for a variety [TS]

00:35:22   sake or certain models I thought it [TS]

00:35:24   looked better but I never wanted the I [TS]

00:35:27   never wanted the white front front plate [TS]

00:35:30   on it like above the screen and [TS]

00:35:31   everything just like John right you know [TS]

00:35:33   I just don't think those look very good [TS]

00:35:34   now I have the option to get either [TS]

00:35:35   color with the same you know black [TS]

00:35:37   knotch [TS]

00:35:38   and and black bezel around it so [TS]

00:35:40   honestly in the pictures I've seen so [TS]

00:35:42   far which admittedly is not many of them [TS]

00:35:45   because there nobody has these yet but [TS]

00:35:46   in the picture I saw like from the [TS]

00:35:47   launch event from like the backstage [TS]

00:35:48   area I thought the kind of white one [TS]

00:35:51   looked better than the somewhat black [TS]

00:35:53   one but again it could just because I [TS]

00:35:56   just want variety cuz I've had so many [TS]

00:35:57   black phones in a row anyway so I'm [TS]

00:35:59   gonna go for that one [TS]

00:36:00   I'm gonna go for the large capacity and [TS]

00:36:03   the Verizon or sim-free one if I can at [TS]

00:36:07   all get it [TS]

00:36:08   soon because I am an AT&T customer and [TS]

00:36:12   I'm not interested in changing networks [TS]

00:36:13   as Verizon doesn't actually cover my [TS]

00:36:15   house or most of my neighborhood very [TS]

00:36:16   well the reason I want the Verizon [TS]

00:36:18   version despite not being not being a [TS]

00:36:19   Verizon customer is that they're doing [TS]

00:36:21   the same thing again this year that they [TS]

00:36:22   started last year with the seven which [TS]

00:36:24   is that for the GSM only ones the ones [TS]

00:36:28   that are being sold as AT&T phones in [TS]

00:36:30   the US and I don't know what situation [TS]

00:36:31   is elsewhere [TS]

00:36:32   those have an Intel cellular modem and [TS]

00:36:35   the ones that are sold either sim-free [TS]

00:36:38   or that are sold on CDMA based networks [TS]

00:36:40   like Verizon and Sprint are using a [TS]

00:36:43   Qualcomm modem allegedly when this [TS]

00:36:46   started last year with the 7o the modems [TS]

00:36:48   are the same it doesn't matter whatever [TS]

00:36:50   phone you get it's fine you know and [TS]

00:36:51   there have been other iPhones in the [TS]

00:36:52   past I'd like minor component variations [TS]

00:36:54   like whether you got like a Samsung or [TS]

00:36:56   TSMC system on a chip and I think the [TS]

00:36:59   success generation have like a minor [TS]

00:37:00   battery variation and stuff anyway I [TS]

00:37:03   have found with my experience with the [TS]

00:37:06   Intel modem iPhone 7s on AT&T I've had a [TS]

00:37:10   lot of call dropping problems away but [TS]

00:37:12   my microphone on my phone will stop [TS]

00:37:13   working and the person they're in will [TS]

00:37:15   not be able to hear me and I have done a [TS]

00:37:17   lot of research I've heard from a lot of [TS]

00:37:19   people customers I've even heard from a [TS]

00:37:22   number from a few geniuses at Apple bars [TS]

00:37:24   or groves or whatever they called [TS]

00:37:25   arborist now because they're in the [TS]

00:37:27   Grove I don't know what they are anyway [TS]

00:37:29   heard from a couple of arborists that [TS]

00:37:31   this is actually a pretty big thing that [TS]

00:37:33   it's a pretty widespread issue that the [TS]

00:37:36   Intel modem AT&T iPhone sevens [TS]

00:37:39   frequently have this issue where the [TS]

00:37:42   microphone drops out during a phone call [TS]

00:37:43   like this is just a thing and so I'm [TS]

00:37:45   trying my best with this generation and [TS]

00:37:47   by the way this has been really annoying [TS]

00:37:49   like you think you don't get you know [TS]

00:37:51   you know as a nerd you think oh I never [TS]

00:37:52   make phone calls it isn't that big of a [TS]

00:37:54   deal and then I'm like on the phone with [TS]

00:37:56   somebody at Apple and it drops and it's [TS]

00:37:58   like yeah you know you don't want those [TS]

00:37:59   calls to be unreliable what they [TS]

00:38:01   happened for an app developer like you [TS]

00:38:02   want you want to stay on that call it's [TS]

00:38:04   really annoying when that happens and it [TS]

00:38:07   makes it very hard to use this as a [TS]

00:38:08   phone and I've actually had two [TS]

00:38:10   different iPhone sevens because one one [TS]

00:38:13   was replaced for a bad lightning port [TS]

00:38:14   halfway through the year and they both [TS]

00:38:16   do it to some degree so I know it's not [TS]

00:38:18   just some fluke thing with my very first [TS]

00:38:19   one [TS]

00:38:19   Tiff's did it too like we they all do it [TS]

00:38:22   and just an issue of whether whatever [TS]

00:38:24   network conditions caused this you know [TS]

00:38:27   whether that affects where you are or [TS]

00:38:28   not is whether it's gonna happen to you [TS]

00:38:29   or not it seems but anyway so I'm trying [TS]

00:38:32   my hardest to get the Qualcomm modem in [TS]

00:38:33   the iPhone 10 and the only way to do [TS]

00:38:36   that is to get the Verizon or sim free [TS]

00:38:37   version in the US and they're not gonna [TS]

00:38:39   probably offer the sim free version for [TS]

00:38:41   a while they usually they don't with the [TS]

00:38:42   high-profile release they don't usually [TS]

00:38:44   offer it immediately usually it's a few [TS]

00:38:45   weeks out or a couple months out even so [TS]

00:38:47   I'm gonna try to get a Verizon one but I [TS]

00:38:51   don't have a verizon account so that's [TS]

00:38:52   gonna be pretty much impossible for me [TS]

00:38:54   to actually place an order for that so [TS]

00:38:56   what I'm probably gonna end up having to [TS]

00:38:57   do is order the ATT one in the app or [TS]

00:39:00   whatever I do that night and then just [TS]

00:39:02   go to the stores constantly over the [TS]

00:39:04   next few weeks because there's no way to [TS]

00:39:05   come on day one it says go to the stores [TS]

00:39:07   for the next few weeks and I hope I can [TS]

00:39:08   get myself Verizon one or a SIM free one [TS]

00:39:10   somehow and that's about it I I - I'm [TS]

00:39:14   gonna wake up at 3 in the morning and [TS]

00:39:15   I'm gonna try to place my order I know [TS]

00:39:18   I'm not gonna be able to and when I am [TS]

00:39:20   finally able to probably 10 minutes into [TS]

00:39:23   the ordering window the delivery dates [TS]

00:39:25   if I'm lucky will be December mm if I'm [TS]

00:39:29   more honest with myself probably January [TS]

00:39:31   and or or even later that's 2018 so I'm [TS]

00:39:36   I'm just not that optimistic about my [TS]

00:39:39   chances of getting it in the app the [TS]

00:39:42   only reason I'm waking up at 3 a.m. at [TS]

00:39:43   all is that on the on the off chance [TS]

00:39:46   that that Apple has made more of them [TS]

00:39:50   than they thought they would this week [TS]

00:39:51   or whatever and you know if you can [TS]

00:39:54   actually place an order at 3 a.m. and [TS]

00:39:55   get it within a couple of weeks of [TS]

00:39:57   launch day I will feel really stupid if [TS]

00:40:00   I don't if I didn't do that like if I [TS]

00:40:02   decide to just get up at 8 a.m. and try [TS]

00:40:04   to place here then and then go to the [TS]

00:40:05   stores and just hope for the best like [TS]

00:40:06   I'm gonna feel really stupid but I am [TS]

00:40:09   NOT optimistic I think it's gonna be a [TS]

00:40:11   really bad scene I think even people who [TS]

00:40:14   get there in the first minute or two of [TS]

00:40:16   the order of being open are gonna be [TS]

00:40:18   seeing dates in December yep and it's [TS]

00:40:21   just it's gonna be it's gonna be rough [TS]

00:40:22   and it's and that's that's if you're [TS]

00:40:24   lucky if you're lucky to get it this [TS]

00:40:25   year and I I really am a little worried [TS]

00:40:30   for like what this is going to do for [TS]

00:40:32   Apple's financials and their sales [TS]

00:40:34   numbers and ever the [TS]

00:40:35   for the next few quarters because I [TS]

00:40:38   really don't think they're gonna sell [TS]

00:40:41   nearly as many of these as there's [TS]

00:40:43   demand for but the people who have been [TS]

00:40:46   waiting for this some portion of them [TS]

00:40:49   will say oh I forget it if I can't get [TS]

00:40:51   the same time soon or if they're if the [TS]

00:40:52   initial reviews come out and they and [TS]

00:40:54   there's some annoyance with them that [TS]

00:40:55   that certain people don't want to deal [TS]

00:40:57   with or that won't solve their needs [TS]

00:40:59   well enough there is gonna be some [TS]

00:41:02   percentage of those people who say oh I [TS]

00:41:03   forget it I'll get an A+ or I'll get an [TS]

00:41:06   8 and and that'll be it and so the you [TS]

00:41:08   know Apple will sell phone to those [TS]

00:41:09   people for sure like it if I had to [TS]

00:41:11   guess I'm I'm guessing that Friday like [TS]

00:41:15   after everyone has tried to place the [TS]

00:41:17   order for the iPhone 10 and has been [TS]

00:41:19   told it's gonna be January [TS]

00:41:21   I'm guessing Friday afternoon is gonna [TS]

00:41:24   be probably the big that the second [TS]

00:41:27   biggest sales day for the iPhone 8 plus [TS]

00:41:29   for its entire run the biggest was [TS]

00:41:32   probably its opening day [TS]

00:41:33   I bet the eight plus has the second [TS]

00:41:35   biggest day on Friday because of all [TS]

00:41:37   those people who are going to be [TS]

00:41:38   discouraged from the X sorry 10 that was [TS]

00:41:43   discouraged from the 10 and they're [TS]

00:41:44   gonna say oh I forget it I'll get the A+ [TS]

00:41:46   and and that'll be that but that's you [TS]

00:41:49   know that that's gonna be some [TS]

00:41:50   percentage of people I don't think it to [TS]

00:41:51   be a high percentage people I think most [TS]

00:41:53   of the people who were really holding [TS]

00:41:55   out for the iPhone 10 are not gonna [TS]

00:41:57   settle for the 8 plus or the 8 they're [TS]

00:42:00   gonna just wait for the 10 even if that [TS]

00:42:02   means spring time like and by then they [TS]

00:42:07   might say you know what now I'm a third [TS]

00:42:09   of the way until the next iPhone comes [TS]

00:42:11   out I'll just wait till the x2 or [TS]

00:42:13   whatever might come out next of all you [TS]

00:42:15   know like if the shipping delays are [TS]

00:42:17   long enough they've run that risk so [TS]

00:42:21   this actually might be a problem like [TS]

00:42:23   Apple is taking a pretty big risk here [TS]

00:42:26   with the way they have launched this [TS]

00:42:28   phone I tell you one thing I would not [TS]

00:42:31   want to be Tim Cook for the next year [TS]

00:42:33   that well I mean I guess it's very he's [TS]

00:42:35   probably is pretty good life but but [TS]

00:42:39   like this I have a feeling he's gonna be [TS]

00:42:41   under a lot of scrutiny if if these [TS]

00:42:45   financials don't work out because they [TS]

00:42:46   can't sell enough of the iPhones people [TS]

00:42:48   actually are waiting for [TS]

00:42:49   that's gonna be a problem for Tim Cook [TS]

00:42:51   it'll even out over time though because [TS]

00:42:53   I feel like all the reports we're seeing [TS]

00:42:55   about inventory problems are all none of [TS]

00:42:58   them say it's anything systemic like a [TS]

00:43:00   year from now this should be settled [TS]

00:43:02   right and so that's bad because you got [TS]

00:43:04   a whole year of under shipment right but [TS]

00:43:07   that it evens out eventually and I think [TS]

00:43:08   he always takes the long view yes people [TS]

00:43:10   are gonna complain to him about all the [TS]

00:43:12   numbers are crappy or whatever but that [TS]

00:43:14   over a two year three year time period [TS]

00:43:16   this you know the sales of this phone [TS]

00:43:18   will just be a different shape but the [TS]

00:43:20   total numbers should be good because as [TS]

00:43:22   you said if they sales they lose for [TS]

00:43:24   people who want to buy a 10 but can't [TS]

00:43:26   get it are probably good to go to the [TS]

00:43:27   eighth they have good retention and then [TS]

00:43:29   I'm gonna say well if I can't get a 10 [TS]

00:43:30   I'm gonna try an Android phone I mean [TS]

00:43:32   there's some of that always but I think [TS]

00:43:34   the bigger potential problem is not [TS]

00:43:37   inventory which is you know it's bad [TS]

00:43:39   it's better if you have enough phones to [TS]

00:43:41   sell to people that's much better right [TS]

00:43:42   but it does even out over the long haul [TS]

00:43:44   if your things are good [TS]

00:43:45   the real danger is what if the 10 is not [TS]

00:43:48   that good or if the 10 is not does not [TS]

00:43:50   satisfy the customers who all think they [TS]

00:43:52   want it now because you can't that [TS]

00:43:55   doesn't even out over time that gets [TS]

00:43:56   worse over time and that increases the [TS]

00:43:58   chance of someone's gonna go to it you [TS]

00:43:59   know try an Android phone or something [TS]

00:44:00   like that so I mean I bet he's more [TS]

00:44:04   worried Apple should be more worried [TS]

00:44:06   about 10 not being good phone than they [TS]

00:44:08   are about not but having enough of them [TS]

00:44:09   they should be worried about not having [TS]

00:44:10   enough of them but not as much as not [TS]

00:44:11   having a good phone um and from my [TS]

00:44:14   perspective like I'm I always cancel [TS]

00:44:16   patience on this like I'm I'm getting [TS]

00:44:17   one it just so happens that there's this [TS]

00:44:19   confluence of events where you know my [TS]

00:44:21   wife's phone is old and it's her year [TS]

00:44:23   and it's getting slow because of iOS 11 [TS]

00:44:25   or I could just because of upgrade a lot [TS]

00:44:28   of Voodoo people suggest to try to you [TS]

00:44:30   know make it become faster including [TS]

00:44:32   resetting a bunch of stuff but I hate [TS]

00:44:33   doing that because like if you reset [TS]

00:44:35   stuff and it doesn't make it faster then [TS]

00:44:37   you have to change all your settings [TS]

00:44:38   back for and you just you just cost [TS]

00:44:40   yourself even more time and yourself be [TS]

00:44:42   more annoyed anyway she's impatient I'm [TS]

00:44:44   not casey is always impatient obviously [TS]

00:44:47   as he already described the team he's [TS]

00:44:48   telephone now-now-now and marko kind of [TS]

00:44:51   needs to have the new phone no no no as [TS]

00:44:52   well as far as I'm concerned I minded [TS]

00:44:54   one yeah I think Marco and I are [TS]

00:44:57   probably tied for least amount of [TS]

00:44:59   patience but he's got he's got at least [TS]

00:45:01   a legit reason that he can rationalize [TS]

00:45:02   like he's got a [TS]

00:45:03   an app for it and everything right I do [TS]

00:45:06   this for a living yeah but you're gonna [TS]

00:45:09   help you're gonna have one available at [TS]

00:45:11   work like it doesn't have to be your [TS]

00:45:12   personal phone am i yeah sure right [TS]

00:45:15   I mean if it's important for you for [TS]

00:45:16   your application to be available yeah [TS]

00:45:18   but but everyone like everyone at [TS]

00:45:20   everyone's job is under the same problem [TS]

00:45:22   that we're at like I know it's a problem [TS]

00:45:24   right but you have a lot more than you [TS]

00:45:26   don't have to get a phone just somebody [TS]

00:45:28   to so what I'm getting at is it I think [TS]

00:45:29   just someone on ATP needs to have the [TS]

00:45:31   phone for the purposes of of doing this [TS]

00:45:33   show right but we don't all need to have [TS]

00:45:35   the phone so I think it'll be fine if we [TS]

00:45:37   just get one of them and of course it [TS]

00:45:38   would be nice if Apple just sent us one [TS]

00:45:39   to review intent Apple people but so far [TS]

00:45:42   podcast still don't exist as far as [TS]

00:45:43   they're concerned so we wait patiently [TS]

00:45:45   and we will try to order with the rest [TS]

00:45:48   of the people for a loose definition of [TS]

00:45:50   patiently but yes but yeah but for [TS]

00:45:54   regular people who are not in a hurry [TS]

00:45:55   just wait like wait until the spring [TS]

00:45:57   nothing will happen to you if your phone [TS]

00:45:59   currently works fine and isn't like [TS]

00:46:00   doesn't have some weird problem it's [TS]

00:46:01   making you want to get it don't feel [TS]

00:46:02   that thing that Casey feels where he [TS]

00:46:04   just needs to have the newest greatest [TS]

00:46:05   phone like especially in the case of the [TS]

00:46:07   10 which might be annoying or [TS]

00:46:09   problematic in ways that nobody knows [TS]

00:46:10   yet because nobody has them and it's [TS]

00:46:12   very different the other phone it's not [TS]

00:46:13   a known quantity there's so many things [TS]

00:46:15   that could go wrong with it so and you [TS]

00:46:17   don't want the first batch of them like [TS]

00:46:18   there there are so many reasons to just [TS]

00:46:20   just relax [TS]

00:46:21   just it's so much more relaxing to be [TS]

00:46:23   pretend you're not listening to detect [TS]

00:46:25   podcast and pretend you just wander into [TS]

00:46:27   an Apple Store and March and go oh these [TS]

00:46:28   new iPhones they go buy one of these and [TS]

00:46:30   they'll say would you like one you'll [TS]

00:46:31   say yes I would like one and they'll [TS]

00:46:32   bring it from the back for you you'll [TS]

00:46:33   buy it like a normal person who doesn't [TS]

00:46:35   listen to the accidental type podcast [TS]

00:46:37   it's cool like I'll also say like in in [TS]

00:46:41   the craziness of trying to get one if [TS]

00:46:44   you buy one from somebody else don't [TS]

00:46:47   have them ship it in the box that Apple [TS]

00:46:50   shipped to them in as I learned last [TS]

00:46:55   year in this horrible incident I still [TS]

00:46:58   feel so bad in this horrible incident [TS]

00:47:00   basically you know I think Apple tracks [TS]

00:47:03   them pretty well when they ship them to [TS]

00:47:05   the original customer such that I don't [TS]

00:47:08   think people ups are trying to steal [TS]

00:47:11   them or anything like that out of the [TS]

00:47:12   boxes at Apple ships and then but if [TS]

00:47:14   Yuri tape up that box and ship it to [TS]

00:47:16   somebody else [TS]

00:47:17   as resale those happen to get stolen [TS]

00:47:20   quite a lot as I learned last year and [TS]

00:47:23   so don't do that put it in a different [TS]

00:47:25   box maybe and maybe maybe don't try to [TS]

00:47:28   every sell it if you do try to resell [TS]

00:47:30   yeah for the love of God put it in [TS]

00:47:31   different box and don't label it iPhone [TS]

00:47:33   or a rock or something did you know it [TS]

00:47:40   was just the plastic wrap from the [TS]

00:47:41   outside of the of the iPhone it's a [TS]

00:47:45   little bit classier when they replace it [TS]

00:47:46   with a rock or something I feel like [TS]

00:47:47   that shows the personal touch for the [TS]

00:47:48   thieves [TS]

00:47:49   yeah and I got a very lightweight box [TS]

00:47:51   that was literally stolen from the UPS [TS]

00:47:54   supply chain because it was stamped [TS]

00:47:56   before like it had its weight stamped on [TS]

00:47:59   its label before it was replaced by [TS]

00:48:00   nothing so that was fun yeah the other [TS]

00:48:04   thing I would say is if you think you [TS]

00:48:07   might want one don't follow John's [TS]

00:48:10   advice and be patient if you think [TS]

00:48:12   there's any change you might want to put [TS]

00:48:13   an order in because you can you can [TS]

00:48:15   cancel it with like three clicks if you [TS]

00:48:17   decide before it ships but you don't [TS]

00:48:19   want it just put the order in if you are [TS]

00:48:21   at all on the fence because then you at [TS]

00:48:23   least have an option to get one in two [TS]

00:48:26   months when it finally shifts or what [TS]

00:48:27   like you'll have a date that you can get [TS]

00:48:29   one but now you're tempting people to [TS]

00:48:31   stay awake at 3 a.m. like you know or [TS]

00:48:34   midnight at least like you're saying [TS]

00:48:35   well if you're gonna order it you might [TS]

00:48:37   as water at the beginning is why yeah [TS]

00:48:38   anyway so then you know you're setting [TS]

00:48:39   your alarm for midnight what I'm saying [TS]

00:48:42   I'm actually saying like just like if [TS]

00:48:45   you think there's any way you can if you [TS]

00:48:47   think if you think there's any chance [TS]

00:48:48   you're gonna want one stay up till 3:00 [TS]

00:48:50   a.m. or wake up at 3:00 a.m. and do plus [TS]

00:48:52   you're encouraging more competition for [TS]

00:48:54   us though most people that's a bigger [TS]

00:48:56   problem stay up till 3:15 a.m. and order [TS]

00:48:58   it yeah that's nothing I'm hoping I [TS]

00:49:03   might actually be doing this this year [TS]

00:49:05   is I'm hoping that like the the casuals [TS]

00:49:09   all bought iPhone eights right like [TS]

00:49:11   normally there's like this big pent up [TS]

00:49:12   demand for the new phone and everyone [TS]

00:49:14   who wants the new phone goes at once but [TS]

00:49:16   now we have a tier where it's like you [TS]

00:49:18   want the new phone but do you want like [TS]

00:49:19   the super expensive one or do you just [TS]

00:49:21   want the new iPhone because it's pretty [TS]

00:49:23   good and it's new it's different enough [TS]

00:49:24   that I think it satisfies what people [TS]

00:49:26   want you know it's like it's a different [TS]

00:49:29   outside with the glass things and the [TS]

00:49:30   better [TS]

00:49:31   cameras and you know all that other good [TS]

00:49:32   stuff different colors right I hope [TS]

00:49:34   those people are people that you would [TS]

00:49:36   have normally been competing with like [TS]

00:49:38   those people were there trying to get [TS]

00:49:40   the seventh or whatever right but a lot [TS]

00:49:41   of those people go out and they got the [TS]

00:49:43   eights now leaving I hope a smaller [TS]

00:49:45   group of people for the ten now [TS]

00:49:46   unfortunately that smaller group people [TS]

00:49:48   at 10 is probably competing for a way [TS]

00:49:50   way way way smaller number of tens that [TS]

00:49:52   are gonna ship in 2017 so it's probably [TS]

00:49:55   not good but I do like the fact that at [TS]

00:49:57   least we got a little bit of help from [TS]

00:49:58   the people buying aids yeah but yeah [TS]

00:50:00   yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't count on that [TS]

00:50:02   too much actually helping yeah we are [TS]

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00:51:29   you can show them look you can do this [TS]

00:51:31   yourself you don't need me and then [TS]

00:51:33   you're off the hook for making it you're [TS]

00:51:35   off the hook for supporting it you just [TS]

00:51:37   hand it over to them and if they need [TS]

00:51:38   any help at all and honestly they [TS]

00:51:40   probably won't because Squarespace is so [TS]

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00:52:07   make your next move so I was wondering [TS]

00:52:13   this is this is probably our last time [TS]

00:52:15   to talk about the 10 or speculate about [TS]

00:52:17   it before there's actual press reviews [TS]

00:52:19   out I would guess is there anything [TS]

00:52:20   about listed John you mentioned earlier [TS]

00:52:22   that like you know the biggest risk for [TS]

00:52:24   the for Apple of the 10 is that it has [TS]

00:52:26   some kind of problem where it isn't very [TS]

00:52:27   good or isn't very compelling after all [TS]

00:52:29   what do you think the biggest risks are [TS]

00:52:31   for it like like what what's that what [TS]

00:52:33   are the biggest ways that this might not [TS]

00:52:35   pan out so I mean the the big ones that [TS]

00:52:38   a lot of the prices talk about his face [TS]

00:52:39   ID and I think that is again not not [TS]

00:52:43   having ever tried it and not you know [TS]

00:52:46   not getting much information of the [TS]

00:52:47   people who did a face ID doesn't work [TS]

00:52:50   well enough like you know I don't know [TS]

00:52:54   if it has to be as good as touch ID out [TS]

00:52:56   of the gate but it has to be close like [TS]

00:52:57   if let's put it this way [TS]

00:52:59   what did use a bad analogy that will [TS]

00:53:00   make everyone said if face ID works like [TS]

00:53:02   Siri it will be a bad scene cuz cuz Siri [TS]

00:53:08   does work and you can demo it and it [TS]

00:53:09   does cool things but for the unlocking [TS]

00:53:12   your phone if face I'd be like falls [TS]

00:53:13   below some minimum threshold of [TS]

00:53:15   convenience people unlock their phones a [TS]

00:53:17   lot and I think a lot of people lock [TS]

00:53:19   their phones now like we're not in the [TS]

00:53:20   old days where you just slide to unlock [TS]

00:53:21   people have codes on their phones [TS]

00:53:23   they're used to touch ID touch ID is [TS]

00:53:25   amazing and works great face ID has some [TS]

00:53:29   minimum bar that has to reach so if it [TS]

00:53:31   doesn't reach that that is a big problem [TS]

00:53:33   because no one wants to get a phone and [TS]

00:53:35   just really be annoyed every time you [TS]

00:53:38   have to unlock it and the second thing [TS]

00:53:39   is app updates you have to update your [TS]

00:53:41   app to be able to snoop around your [TS]

00:53:42   corners and the home line thing and the [TS]

00:53:46   knotch and obviously I listed them [TS]

00:53:48   probably in the order that they're [TS]

00:53:49   annoying like you would think the notch [TS]

00:53:51   is the problem but having seen overcast [TS]

00:53:53   and simulator slingshots and everything [TS]

00:53:55   like it seems clear the rounded corners [TS]

00:53:57   are a much bigger [TS]

00:53:58   than you think if you're not if you [TS]

00:53:59   haven't consider how you're gonna fit [TS]

00:54:01   your app into that because it really [TS]

00:54:02   does cut off a lot of things and so [TS]

00:54:04   updating apps how fast the developers [TS]

00:54:06   gonna do it if you buy a new phone and [TS]

00:54:08   face I'd be works great but every app [TS]

00:54:09   you put on it looks all weird and janky [TS]

00:54:11   and goes crazy and landscape even though [TS]

00:54:13   it's not quote-unquote the phones [TS]

00:54:15   problem like oh the phone is fine [TS]

00:54:16   nothing wrong with the phone people will [TS]

00:54:18   have a bad impression I waited all this [TS]

00:54:21   time I stay up to 3:00 a.m. I spent [TS]

00:54:23   $1,200 and as a reward all my apps look [TS]

00:54:27   and work weird on this phone those are [TS]

00:54:30   the two that occurred to me right off [TS]

00:54:31   the bat [TS]

00:54:31   setting aside like all the batteries [TS]

00:54:33   exploded there's some kind of hardware [TS]

00:54:34   reliability problem or you know all that [TS]

00:54:36   stuff that can happen with any phone but [TS]

00:54:37   the things that are unique to the 10 [TS]

00:54:39   face ID and app updates I agree with [TS]

00:54:43   John [TS]

00:54:43   I am super curious to see real world [TS]

00:54:47   reviews of face ID because I suspect [TS]

00:54:52   it's going to be as good as Apple [TS]

00:54:55   promises but I'm scared and you know [TS]

00:55:00   I've talked to friends at Apple that [TS]

00:55:02   have used them and and and they all say [TS]

00:55:05   no really it's amazing but I don't know [TS]

00:55:08   yeah I I want to I want to have a third [TS]

00:55:10   party tell me what they think and I'm [TS]

00:55:15   cautiously optimistic that it will be [TS]

00:55:17   very good and I think it's going to be [TS]

00:55:20   pretty darn amazing I think the face ID [TS]

00:55:23   is the most obvious stumbling block that [TS]

00:55:26   could happen but I think the most [TS]

00:55:28   obvious obvious stumbling block that [TS]

00:55:29   will happen is what John said about [TS]

00:55:31   third-party apps that they're just not [TS]

00:55:33   updated in timely fashion or not updated [TS]

00:55:35   well or whatever the case may be [TS]

00:55:37   and I think that's the thing that is [TS]

00:55:39   going to be most telling and we'll see [TS]

00:55:42   whenever these reviews come out we'll [TS]

00:55:44   see if though if their reviewers have [TS]

00:55:47   run into a lot of that yeah I think you [TS]

00:55:50   guys pretty much covered what I was [TS]

00:55:52   gonna say too like apps I think are the [TS]

00:55:54   biggest thing I worry about and and not [TS]

00:55:56   just like how many apps will be there on [TS]

00:55:59   on day one because I think the answer to [TS]

00:56:01   that is probably gonna be not enough [TS]

00:56:02   okay there's gonna be some but probably [TS]

00:56:05   not enough I don't even know if I'm [TS]

00:56:07   probably not gonna make day one with [TS]

00:56:08   overcast Bay because I just keep running [TS]

00:56:11   into really annoying [TS]

00:56:13   you eye issues that are you know some of [TS]

00:56:16   which are my fault many of us are my [TS]

00:56:18   fault from like you know technical debt [TS]

00:56:20   that I'm still repaying and trying to [TS]

00:56:21   get rid of over my previous UI hacks but [TS]

00:56:25   some of which are just the iPhone being [TS]

00:56:27   harder to work with the night that I [TS]

00:56:28   predicted and the UI being harder to [TS]

00:56:30   manage I'm predicted but ultimately the [TS]

00:56:34   biggest problem with apps is gonna is [TS]

00:56:35   first it's gonna be when the apps get [TS]

00:56:38   letterboxed like I've seen a few people [TS]

00:56:40   running simulator tricks to kind of show [TS]

00:56:43   like what apps look like when they're [TS]

00:56:45   not updated for the iPhone 10 when [TS]

00:56:47   they're running on the iPhone 10 size [TS]

00:56:48   screen and they just look ridiculous [TS]

00:56:51   like it's almost as if they look almost [TS]

00:56:53   like when the iPad first came out and [TS]

00:56:56   you could run iPhone apps in a little [TS]

00:56:57   tiny window like in the middle of the [TS]

00:56:59   iPad yep it almost looks at that [TS]

00:57:01   ridiculous like they just run in this [TS]

00:57:03   tiny little area in the middle with [TS]

00:57:05   these giant black bars letterboxing the [TS]

00:57:07   top and bottom of the phone it looks [TS]

00:57:09   really bad and this is not just a simple [TS]

00:57:13   recompile with a bigger storyboard like [TS]

00:57:15   this is a this is a large undertaking [TS]

00:57:18   for a lot of apps best-case scenario [TS]

00:57:21   even for very simply designed apps even [TS]

00:57:24   apps that use very standard stuff that [TS]

00:57:25   make it very easy to convert even they [TS]

00:57:28   typically have to spend like at least a [TS]

00:57:30   couple days on this update you know it's [TS]

00:57:32   a it's a significant change that a lot [TS]

00:57:36   of things have to do to adapt to this [TS]

00:57:37   screen because it's so different [TS]

00:57:39   it isn't just like the same properties [TS]

00:57:42   but bigger it's you know there's no more [TS]

00:57:45   corners and now the bottom is not solid [TS]

00:57:47   and you can't really put anything there [TS]

00:57:49   and you should probably take gestures [TS]

00:57:50   away from being near it and the top is [TS]

00:57:53   giant but you can't put anything there [TS]

00:57:55   and you should take just like there's [TS]

00:57:57   there's all sorts of and when you rotate [TS]

00:57:59   the phone if you happen to support [TS]

00:58:00   landscape in your app you have to change [TS]

00:58:03   something on almost every screen of your [TS]

00:58:05   app and that may be difficult or not [TS]

00:58:08   depending if like if you use table views [TS]

00:58:10   and you use background things in table [TS]

00:58:13   views [TS]

00:58:13   chances are you have work to do like [TS]

00:58:15   there's so many little and big design [TS]

00:58:19   changes and technical changes your app [TS]

00:58:20   now has to do and to give up a credit [TS]

00:58:23   like the API for all the safe area [TS]

00:58:26   and stuff is remarkably complete and [TS]

00:58:29   remarkably useful for a compliment for [TS]

00:58:31   accommodating the knotch and the various [TS]

00:58:34   insects the notch creates especially in [TS]

00:58:35   landscape mode like the API is good but [TS]

00:58:38   we still have to use it we still have to [TS]

00:58:40   do it and work on it and redesign things [TS]

00:58:42   and move things and test things and it's [TS]

00:58:44   just proving to be a ton of work for [TS]

00:58:45   almost every developer I've talked to [TS]

00:58:47   about it so I would not expect many apps [TS]

00:58:51   to be updated soon and and no matter how [TS]

00:58:55   like even even if the apps you use for [TS]

00:58:58   the most part are by really on the ball [TS]

00:59:00   developers who we're really gonna be [TS]

00:59:01   there on day one and be ready you're [TS]

00:59:04   still probably gonna use a number of [TS]

00:59:06   apps throughout your day-to-day life [TS]

00:59:08   that aren't gonna be updated for a while [TS]

00:59:10   so you're gonna have those giant ugly [TS]

00:59:11   black bars on top and bottom for a long [TS]

00:59:13   time and you know depending on what apps [TS]

00:59:16   you use but like you're gonna see this a [TS]

00:59:17   lot for a while and it's gonna be it's [TS]

00:59:20   gonna be annoying for you for owners of [TS]

00:59:22   the 10-4 for a while the other thing is [TS]

00:59:26   that I worry with the 10 quite how much [TS]

00:59:30   of iOS has been rooted in the idea for a [TS]

00:59:34   long time that you you can always reach [TS]

00:59:37   things in the top bar of an app and to [TS]

00:59:40   some extent the bottom bars of an app [TS]

00:59:42   like you know but you know button bars [TS]

00:59:43   toolbars tab bars and with the iPhone 10 [TS]

00:59:47   it is a very different aspect ratio than [TS]

00:59:50   any other iPhones or iOS devices have [TS]

00:59:53   ever been and it is very very tall and [TS]

00:59:56   skinny if you have trouble reaching the [TS]

00:59:59   top and bottom [TS]

00:59:59   top and bottom [TS]

01:00:00   autumn of a screen on my phone plus [TS]

01:00:02   you're definitely gonna have to have [TS]

01:00:04   problems reaching top and bottom of the [TS]

01:00:05   screen on the iPhone 10 and so much of [TS]

01:00:10   iOS has been built on the assumption [TS]

01:00:12   that you can put pretty frequently used [TS]

01:00:14   buttons and things in bars on the top [TS]

01:00:16   and bottom of the interface that even [TS]

01:00:19   when you account for the in sets from [TS]

01:00:21   the knotch and from the home indicator [TS]

01:00:23   area on the bottom the things are still [TS]

01:00:26   gonna be really hard to reach for a lot [TS]

01:00:27   of people and apps will eventually [TS]

01:00:30   change from this like the plus phones [TS]

01:00:33   encourage apps to change to some degree [TS]

01:00:35   from this but it's it wasn't quite as [TS]

01:00:37   bad and you could cut you could that you [TS]

01:00:39   could still say well if you have really [TS]

01:00:41   big hands you're buying the plus or if [TS]

01:00:42   you don't mind using two hand you're [TS]

01:00:43   buying the plus but oh well that's [TS]

01:00:44   that's just because you're buying the [TS]

01:00:46   plus you can deal with it but now like [TS]

01:00:48   this is going to be like the mainstream [TS]

01:00:50   power user phone and also the plus kind [TS]

01:00:52   of already has been becoming that [TS]

01:00:53   honestly for about the last year year [TS]

01:00:56   and a half or so [TS]

01:00:57   so apps have to totally rethink their [TS]

01:01:01   interaction models to try to minimize [TS]

01:01:04   requiring use of the top and bottom of [TS]

01:01:07   the screen because those are gonna be [TS]

01:01:09   way harder to reach from way more people [TS]

01:01:11   now than they were before the OS in [TS]

01:01:14   general is gonna have to do that also [TS]

01:01:16   like iOS is going to have to change a [TS]

01:01:18   lot of its own standards and a lot of [TS]

01:01:20   its own app designs to to better [TS]

01:01:23   accommodate this and that's all gonna [TS]

01:01:25   take time it's gonna take years so I [TS]

01:01:27   think you know the overall bullet point [TS]

01:01:30   here of risks to the iPhone tens [TS]

01:01:33   reception and to the quality of using [TS]

01:01:35   one for the next you know a little while [TS]

01:01:37   the overall heading there is apps but [TS]

01:01:40   that's way bigger and potentially way [TS]

01:01:42   long are ticket right you might find it [TS]

01:01:45   really annoying to use apps on it until [TS]

01:01:47   things are better designed for it so [TS]

01:01:49   that's a pretty big sticking point the [TS]

01:01:52   only other thing I would think of is [TS]

01:01:53   battery life the battery life is a giant [TS]

01:01:55   question mark because we've never had an [TS]

01:01:58   oled iphone i've seen you're the second [TS]

01:02:01   person I've seen worried about battery [TS]

01:02:04   life but I didn't listen on things [TS]

01:02:06   because this is the phone that they said [TS]

01:02:07   has two hours more battery life so even [TS]

01:02:09   if they're off it still has better [TS]

01:02:10   battery life than the seven right what [TS]

01:02:12   do you [TS]

01:02:12   could be worse than seven well the way [TS]

01:02:15   they measure battery life is useless for [TS]

01:02:16   real-world use it's it always has been [TS]

01:02:18   whatever measure they use for battery [TS]

01:02:21   life does not reflect the way anyone I [TS]

01:02:22   know uses their phones but [TS]

01:02:23   proportionately this they said the 7 was [TS]

01:02:25   better than the 6 and it was right it [TS]

01:02:27   was yes but it also the battery also got [TS]

01:02:30   bigger and so it was basically like [TS]

01:02:31   roughly the same type of components that [TS]

01:02:33   we've always known but bigger right and [TS]

01:02:35   so it kind of made sense that that [TS]

01:02:37   happened light wasn't a big surprise but [TS]

01:02:39   it depends on how they're measuring it [TS]

01:02:40   like if they're measuring by talktime [TS]

01:02:42   tests a web browsing loop things like [TS]

01:02:44   that they optimize for that and and they [TS]

01:02:47   can design the phone to be really [TS]

01:02:48   responsible in what they consider those [TS]

01:02:50   typical uses but then if you do [TS]

01:02:53   something on your phone that is not [TS]

01:02:54   typically used so for instance that [TS]

01:02:56   crazy new processor with the six cores [TS]

01:02:58   that can now all be on at the same time [TS]

01:03:00   if they want to if you're doing [TS]

01:03:02   something that's processor intensive [TS]

01:03:03   that's probably a pretty high power [TS]

01:03:06   usage ceiling that the processor can [TS]

01:03:07   have and while they're doing whatever [TS]

01:03:09   they're doing with their battery tests [TS]

01:03:11   they might be not setting it that way or [TS]

01:03:14   not not using the processor in that way [TS]

01:03:15   but if you do something that use it that [TS]

01:03:17   way you're gonna have very different [TS]

01:03:18   results similar like their tests [TS]

01:03:20   probably have yeah they probably don't [TS]

01:03:21   use GPS they probably don't use you know [TS]

01:03:24   heavy cellular data or roaming or [TS]

01:03:26   anything else like there's all sorts of [TS]

01:03:27   things it can be different there and [TS]

01:03:28   also just the the nature of how our [TS]

01:03:31   usage from an OLED screen where now the [TS]

01:03:33   screen can not only the screen use [TS]

01:03:35   probably less power overall when it's on [TS]

01:03:37   the screen uses a varying amount of [TS]

01:03:40   power based on how brightly the pixels [TS]

01:03:43   are lit up so if you have like black [TS]

01:03:44   pixels that are effectively off with an [TS]

01:03:47   OLED that's going to use less power than [TS]

01:03:49   if you have white pixels that are lit up [TS]

01:03:51   all the way that's different from the [TS]

01:03:54   way LCDs have always worked so like the [TS]

01:03:56   way the iPhone 10 will use its battery [TS]

01:03:59   and the variation that you will have we [TS]

01:04:02   don't really know the answer to that yet [TS]

01:04:03   we're like we're not going to know that [TS]

01:04:04   until we have a few months of using this [TS]

01:04:06   to really get a feel for like how that [TS]

01:04:08   battery behaves and the way Apple quotes [TS]

01:04:11   the battery time I think is almost [TS]

01:04:13   meaningless for how that will work in [TS]

01:04:15   practice because this is these are all [TS]

01:04:16   new components with all new profiles of [TS]

01:04:19   how they use power that I don't think we [TS]

01:04:21   can really say for sure how it's going [TS]

01:04:22   to work I don't think it's meaningless [TS]

01:04:24   and I think the OLED screen even [TS]

01:04:26   it was 100% white all the time would [TS]

01:04:28   tire beat in LCD like that's the point [TS]

01:04:31   of oh it's the that's why it's on the [TS]

01:04:32   watch it's lower power even if the stuff [TS]

01:04:34   turned on that's my impression anyway so [TS]

01:04:36   I'm like I said I'm not worried about [TS]

01:04:37   battery life I mean if the batteries [TS]

01:04:38   explode that's a problem but battery [TS]

01:04:40   life wise even if it doesn't meet the [TS]

01:04:42   extra two hours I feel like it will be [TS]

01:04:43   better than the seven as long as it's [TS]

01:04:45   better than the seven people will like [TS]

01:04:46   it because you know it's like the fact [TS]

01:04:48   you're replacing your phone with a [TS]

01:04:49   battery that it's gone through several [TS]

01:04:50   charge cycles so it's already kind of [TS]

01:04:52   crappy with a new battery and the new [TS]

01:04:54   battery gets more battery life I think I [TS]

01:04:56   think it'll be fine I'm optimistic about [TS]

01:04:58   battery life to go back a step to what [TS]

01:05:00   marco was saying part of the thing that [TS]

01:05:03   worries me about app support is that if [TS]

01:05:06   nobody can get their hands on one of [TS]

01:05:08   these in the first place I can know [TS]

01:05:09   developers and get their hands on one of [TS]

01:05:10   these it's like an exacerbation so [TS]

01:05:12   there's that there's it's a two pronged [TS]

01:05:14   issue one of them is that almost every [TS]

01:05:17   iOS app like Marco was saying is [TS]

01:05:19   designed for top based navigation you [TS]

01:05:20   know your back buttons are at the top [TS]

01:05:22   your create a new thing like a new [TS]

01:05:24   message and messages or whatever is [TS]

01:05:25   typically at the top all of that might [TS]

01:05:28   need to shimmy down which is in many [TS]

01:05:31   cases are really really deep and wide [TS]

01:05:35   update like that's rethinking your [TS]

01:05:36   entire apps architecture and on top of [TS]

01:05:40   that if you don't have a real test [TS]

01:05:42   device for months I mean we were just [TS]

01:05:44   saying we're planning it with planning [TS]

01:05:45   on waking up at 3 in the morning and we [TS]

01:05:47   don't think that will necessarily get [TS]

01:05:50   our phones until 2018 like that's gonna [TS]

01:05:53   be a big darn problem I'm optimistic I [TS]

01:05:57   hope that it'll work out just fine I [TS]

01:05:58   hope that I'll get my iPhone a week from [TS]

01:06:01   Friday but you know like III I feel like [TS]

01:06:04   we're we're raining on everyone's parade [TS]

01:06:06   and that's I don't think that's anyone's [TS]

01:06:07   intention we're hopeful that it will [TS]

01:06:09   work out for the best it's just there's [TS]

01:06:12   a lot of signs you know the magic [TS]

01:06:13   8-balls saying this is going to be an [TS]

01:06:14   interesting rollout and it's gonna be an [TS]

01:06:16   interesting first few months with it but [TS]

01:06:18   let me tell you I'm still super amped [TS]

01:06:20   and in March of 2018 when I finally get [TS]

01:06:23   my phone I'm super amped to unlock it [TS]

01:06:26   with just my face like I'm excited yeah [TS]

01:06:29   and the other thing about about your [TS]

01:06:30   developer thing too is like keep in mind [TS]

01:06:33   like exacerbating the apps problem is [TS]

01:06:34   that developers won't have these phones [TS]

01:06:37   for a while as you said which means that [TS]

01:06:39   there's immense pressure on us from [TS]

01:06:41   users and from Apple to update our apps [TS]

01:06:44   for the iPhone 10 like yesterday like to [TS]

01:06:46   have this needs to be done now now now [TS]

01:06:48   this is immense pressure on us to update [TS]

01:06:50   our apps for a phone that will probably [TS]

01:06:54   handle pretty differently than anything [TS]

01:06:56   that we have used before that does that [TS]

01:06:59   deserves significant redesign [TS]

01:07:01   consideration that we have to design for [TS]

01:07:04   without ever holding it and sure we can [TS]

01:07:07   change it later but like the initial [TS]

01:07:10   batch of updates for the iPhone 10 might [TS]

01:07:13   not be good oh it's gonna be really hit [TS]

01:07:16   or miss because almost all of them will [TS]

01:07:18   have been designed and developed without [TS]

01:07:20   any without that the designer and [TS]

01:07:22   developer having access to one so it's [TS]

01:07:24   all gonna be just it's gonna be like the [TS]

01:07:26   very first wave of iPad and Apple watch [TS]

01:07:28   designs when those came out is like [TS]

01:07:30   really hit or miss because they were [TS]

01:07:32   mostly developed in the simulator so [TS]

01:07:35   somebody put out numbers the nikkei [TS]

01:07:39   reporter so that was it a newspaper [TS]

01:07:41   website I don't even know but anyway [TS]

01:07:43   this is their speculation obviously not [TS]

01:07:45   from Apple but they're saying 20 million [TS]

01:07:47   iPhones between now and the end of the [TS]

01:07:49   year and you're like oh that sounds like [TS]

01:07:50   it's a lot right but last year between [TS]

01:07:53   October and December Apple shipped [TS]

01:07:55   almost 80 million so that's a factor of [TS]

01:07:58   four if these if this guests estimate [TS]

01:08:00   from you know these third-party people [TS]

01:08:02   with knowledge of the supply chain bail [TS]

01:08:03   bonds right but not like we're saying [TS]

01:08:05   there's gonna be twenty percent fewer [TS]

01:08:06   phones and last year whatever four times [TS]

01:08:08   fewer and again maybe the i8 buyers are [TS]

01:08:11   gonna help with that but I'm not sure [TS]

01:08:13   they're gonna help Forex so I really [TS]

01:08:14   hope I really hope these numbers aren't [TS]

01:08:16   right because that is really grim yeah I [TS]

01:08:20   hear that you know with the graph of [TS]

01:08:22   like how bad is it going to be in terms [TS]

01:08:25   of pre-order times I also hope that the [TS]

01:08:28   number of people who are awake at 3:00 [TS]

01:08:31   a.m. exactly hammering on their phones [TS]

01:08:33   to try to order another phone is itself [TS]

01:08:36   smaller still like that you're what [TS]

01:08:39   you're really getting to are the people [TS]

01:08:41   like this is the type of thing where I [TS]

01:08:42   like where the people who are willing to [TS]

01:08:44   do the ridiculous thing to lose sleep to [TS]

01:08:47   set their alarm for to 55 to do all this [TS]

01:08:50   stuff that there are there [TS]

01:08:52   a small number of them the numbers get [TS]

01:08:54   bigger the people who want to order the [TS]

01:08:57   next morning and then bigger still for [TS]

01:08:58   the people to the next day and so on and [TS]

01:09:00   so forth so you can be you know if you [TS]

01:09:02   if you want the best chance to get it as [TS]

01:09:05   soon as possible then just do it we do [TS]

01:09:06   and as many people point out and who [TS]

01:09:08   have gone through this before [TS]

01:09:09   very often the barrier is not your CDN [TS]

01:09:12   updating in Marco's case where he [TS]

01:09:14   doesn't even get to see the phone when [TS]

01:09:15   his app until it's too late or Apple [TS]

01:09:18   Store crapping out which happens but at [TS]

01:09:20   various points during the purchase [TS]

01:09:21   process depending on what you buy it may [TS]

01:09:24   need to contact your carrier service and [TS]

01:09:26   the carrier stock in the US so that's [TS]

01:09:29   where your entire order process goes off [TS]

01:09:31   the rails because their servers are [TS]

01:09:33   unresponsive and while you're trying to [TS]

01:09:35   get through that phase where it has to [TS]

01:09:36   contact Verizon or whatever all the [TS]

01:09:38   phones have been ordered and by the time [TS]

01:09:39   you get through that now you're you know [TS]

01:09:41   your ship date is February 21st and what [TS]

01:09:44   can you do [TS]

01:09:45   so that's not one of the strategies [TS]

01:09:46   people suggested is by the one without a [TS]

01:09:47   sim so you never have to kind of tack [TS]

01:09:49   the carrier but I don't know like what [TS]

01:09:51   chipset to Marco's point that thing is [TS]

01:09:53   gonna use that does get around it the [TS]

01:09:55   problem is that's exactly what people [TS]

01:09:57   want to do when they're scalping them so [TS]

01:09:59   Apple does not usually make the sim free [TS]

01:10:01   version available for a high-demand [TS]

01:10:03   phone on day one they usually wait a few [TS]

01:10:05   weeks or months and then they make it [TS]

01:10:07   available but then the people go to the [TS]

01:10:08   t-mobile one you go to t-mobile is [TS]

01:10:10   doesn't contact their site but then you [TS]

01:10:11   get a different chip set that loses [TS]

01:10:13   different radio bands and it's just it's [TS]

01:10:15   all very fraught and confusing you know [TS]

01:10:18   I don't know I've never done this before [TS]

01:10:19   so I can't say but I'm not optimistic [TS]

01:10:22   yeah I have a feeling that because what [TS]

01:10:25   I'm trying to do is exactly what [TS]

01:10:27   scalpers try to do I'm probably gonna [TS]

01:10:30   have to just go to the stores a lot and [TS]

01:10:32   just try to get lucky that way yeah [TS]

01:10:34   you're using using the the senior [TS]

01:10:37   citizen advantage which is like I'm home [TS]

01:10:38   during the day suckers well you're all [TS]

01:10:42   at work and I can just come there every [TS]

01:10:44   day and go hey how you doing it's me [TS]

01:10:45   again any handy phones well the good [TS]

01:10:47   thing is I'm now getting allergy shots [TS]

01:10:49   twice a week at a building next door to [TS]

01:10:52   an Apple store twice a week what do you [TS]

01:10:54   what are you curing yourself for [TS]

01:10:55   allergies from allergies everything [TS]

01:11:00   pollen everything [TS]

01:11:01   darlin ragweed not dogs fortunately but [TS]

01:11:04   cats you know [TS]

01:11:05   but whose rabbit it's mostly the pollen [TS]

01:11:07   in the ragweed which makes pretty bad [TS]

01:11:09   seasonal allergies but no fortunately I [TS]

01:11:11   have a hypoallergenic dog and he's [TS]

01:11:13   wonderful and I could put my face in him [TS]

01:11:14   and have no problems but if he was a [TS]

01:11:17   rabbit I would have problems because [TS]

01:11:18   rabbits are kind of like cats but [TS]

01:11:19   they're constantly moving so they have a [TS]

01:11:21   cloud of allergies around them [TS]

01:11:22   constantly it's awful [TS]

01:11:24   yeah so if I could show up early to an [TS]

01:11:27   allergy shot like twice a week I can get [TS]

01:11:28   to an Apple store like 8:00 in the [TS]

01:11:29   morning maybe 9:00 in the morning and [TS]

01:11:31   you know I'll see like I'm sure it's not [TS]

01:11:33   gonna work [TS]

01:11:34   during the first week or two but maybe [TS]

01:11:35   during week three you know that's [TS]

01:11:37   probably gonna work before my 3:00 a.m. [TS]

01:11:40   order will be delivered yeah my iPhone 7 [TS]

01:11:44   I seem to recall it was a it was an [TS]

01:11:46   in-person wander by thing I wasn't a [TS]

01:11:48   subaru either but it was the same deal [TS]

01:11:50   that jet blacks were hard to get I [TS]

01:11:51   didn't even bother trying to get early [TS]

01:11:53   on and I think it did a lot of you know [TS]

01:11:55   we're in the mall I stopped by the Apple [TS]

01:11:56   Store and see what they've got I don't [TS]

01:11:58   remember if that's where I bought or not [TS]

01:11:59   but that is it that is a very good [TS]

01:12:01   reason Apple stores do get shipments in [TS]

01:12:03   like I don't know a weekly daily [TS]

01:12:04   whenever they get them daily usually get [TS]

01:12:06   them they get a small number but if you [TS]

01:12:09   happen to be the person who wanders into [TS]

01:12:10   the store when that small number appears [TS]

01:12:12   you are like in a mini line that only [TS]

01:12:14   consists of the people who happen to be [TS]

01:12:16   in the Apple store at the moment the [TS]

01:12:17   shipment comes in and that line is way [TS]

01:12:19   surer than the line we're all gonna be [TS]

01:12:20   in at 3:00 a.m. trying to get in a big [TS]

01:12:22   giant queue with the entire world to get [TS]

01:12:25   a phone shipped to us in February so [TS]

01:12:28   it'll be it's not gonna be fun I wasn't [TS]

01:12:31   able to be fun but no it's not gonna be [TS]

01:12:32   fun it's gonna be a slog but we will [TS]

01:12:35   eventually get this phone and you know [TS]

01:12:36   what all of my concerns aside ultimately [TS]

01:12:39   I am very excited to get this phone [TS]

01:12:41   that's why we're all waiting for it [TS]

01:12:42   because like if it's good which Apple [TS]

01:12:47   you know for all their problems with [TS]

01:12:49   Macs recently their record with iPhones [TS]

01:12:51   is pretty solid like they usually don't [TS]

01:12:53   have major issues sometimes they have [TS]

01:12:55   minor issues they don't usually have [TS]

01:12:57   major issues the likelihood that this is [TS]

01:13:00   gonna be as described and gonna be good [TS]

01:13:03   is pretty high [TS]

01:13:04   and if that's true this is gonna be [TS]

01:13:07   great because it'll finally be like the [TS]

01:13:09   nice middle ground between the iPhone 7 [TS]

01:13:12   and the iPhone plus that we've been [TS]

01:13:15   waiting for for so long [TS]

01:13:17   and and to have like you know the best [TS]

01:13:18   cameras in the quote medium-sized phone [TS]

01:13:22   you know that even though it's not quite [TS]

01:13:24   but to have that would be great to have [TS]

01:13:26   a bigger screen and the smaller body [TS]

01:13:27   will be great like there are a lot of [TS]

01:13:29   asterisks on this there's a lot of you [TS]

01:13:32   know things were having to give up to [TS]

01:13:33   get this but if it works out it's gonna [TS]

01:13:37   be awesome [TS]

01:13:38   so I am I'm tentatively optimistic I [TS]

01:13:42   think it's probably gonna end up being [TS]

01:13:43   great [TS]

01:13:44   we're probably gonna look back all these [TS]

01:13:45   worries and laugh at how ridiculous they [TS]

01:13:47   were and I hope it turned out that way [TS]

01:13:49   I hope so but I think I think what's [TS]

01:13:53   gonna end up happening is I'll get my [TS]

01:13:54   iPhone in December January and you will [TS]

01:13:58   get yours in about a week by going to [TS]

01:14:00   the store every single day yeah that's [TS]

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01:15:53   once again fracture me.com slash podcast [TS]

01:15:56   for beautiful photos printed directly on [TS]

01:15:58   glass thank you very much the fracture [TS]

01:16:00   for sponsoring our show so uh speaking [TS]

01:16:06   of things that are that are positive [TS]

01:16:10   yeah maybe [TS]

01:16:11   apparently back many still thing and [TS]

01:16:15   maybe here's the bad so do you have the [TS]

01:16:19   Tim Cook statement handy doesn't matter [TS]

01:16:22   can you read the statement just for the [TS]

01:16:24   record I'm glad you love Mac Mini why is [TS]

01:16:28   it never the Mac Mini [TS]

01:16:29   that's a stereo everything I know it [TS]

01:16:32   just and for context listeners this was [TS]

01:16:34   a neat so somebody emailed Tim Cook [TS]

01:16:36   asking about the future the Mac Mini and [TS]

01:16:38   got this response that allegedly and [TS]

01:16:40   then it was posted to my comers looming [TS]

01:16:42   so what was going on so I'm glad you [TS]

01:16:45   love Mac Mini we love it too our [TS]

01:16:47   customers have found so many creative [TS]

01:16:49   and interesting uses for Mac Mini well [TS]

01:16:51   it is not the time to share any details [TS]

01:16:53   we do plan for Mac Mini to be an [TS]

01:16:56   important part of our product line going [TS]

01:16:58   forward [TS]

01:16:58   best Tim yeah so all the websites took [TS]

01:17:03   this to mean Tim Cook confirms the Mac [TS]

01:17:06   minis not dead that they're working on a [TS]

01:17:08   new one [TS]

01:17:09   when I read this I was less optimistic [TS]

01:17:12   or at least I found this to be [TS]

01:17:15   relatively content free almost all of [TS]

01:17:18   the words that Tim wrote back allegedly [TS]

01:17:20   don't mean anything [TS]

01:17:21   our non-committal you know PR CEO speak [TS]

01:17:25   BS and the few words that mean something [TS]

01:17:28   were so vague and so non-committal that [TS]

01:17:33   what he could mean is we're just gonna [TS]

01:17:38   keep selling it like it is now like [TS]

01:17:40   that's all he really said it's still [TS]

01:17:44   thing in the line like when they gave [TS]

01:17:47   that wonderful statement during the Mac [TS]

01:17:49   Pro roundtable last spring where it was [TS]

01:17:51   some lines of that Mac Mini remains a [TS]

01:17:53   product in our lineup it was like one of [TS]

01:17:55   the best things I've ever said like so [TS]

01:17:57   this is this is about the same like I [TS]

01:18:00   don't think this is saying anything [TS]

01:18:02   about future updates like I think your [TS]

01:18:05   bet you're bending yourself into [TS]

01:18:06   pretzels to try to make it this seem [TS]

01:18:08   like the same it's not the same they [TS]

01:18:10   said they said you know not time did not [TS]

01:18:12   time to share any details if it was [TS]

01:18:14   gonna be the same there's no details to [TS]

01:18:15   share not that there's much information [TS]

01:18:17   abut the one piece of information is is [TS]

01:18:19   an official confirmation from the CEO of [TS]

01:18:20   Apple that they plan to share some [TS]

01:18:25   details related to the Mac Mini in the [TS]

01:18:28   future which means as far as I'm [TS]

01:18:29   concerned like if this was the Mac Pro [TS]

01:18:31   what we'd be saying is this is [TS]

01:18:32   confirmation the Mac Pro is not dead [TS]

01:18:33   right they might as well have said we're [TS]

01:18:37   gonna come out with a new thing that [TS]

01:18:40   people who like to make them anyway he [TS]

01:18:42   didn't even say it was gonna be a new [TS]

01:18:43   Mac maybe who knows but discuss that [TS]

01:18:45   right but but the whole point is that [TS]

01:18:47   like the they like there's not like [TS]

01:18:49   there's not gonna fade away like we're [TS]

01:18:51   not making the Mac Mini any more so [TS]

01:18:52   we're gonna sell this one until it [TS]

01:18:54   becomes really embarrassing then we'll [TS]

01:18:55   stop like they're planning on doing with [TS]

01:18:56   the Mac Pro sell it and pick it until it [TS]

01:18:58   becomes embarrassing and then just let [TS]

01:18:59   it fade away and replace it with the [TS]

01:19:00   iMac Pro or whatever right that was the [TS]

01:19:02   plan for the Mac Pro until I turned [TS]

01:19:04   around this email does not have much [TS]

01:19:07   content but the one bit of information [TS]

01:19:08   it has is does the Mac Mini have future [TS]

01:19:11   yes no answer yes ish like again they [TS]

01:19:15   don't say math committee but the person [TS]

01:19:17   was asking about the Mac Mini and his [TS]

01:19:19   answer is just wait we'll have something [TS]

01:19:23   and so I think at least Tim believes if [TS]

01:19:25   the person who likes the Mac Mini will [TS]

01:19:28   be interested in this future thing so [TS]

01:19:29   it's got to be something Mac Mini ish [TS]

01:19:32   and that's not a lot of information like [TS]

01:19:34   what do you expect like it's not gonna [TS]

01:19:35   tell you a date and yes we're gonna have [TS]

01:19:37   the Mac Mini or yes we're gonna replace [TS]

01:19:39   it like whatever but it's more than we [TS]

01:19:41   had before [TS]

01:19:42   it's from the horse's mouth and so I [TS]

01:19:44   take that if I was a big fan of the Mac [TS]

01:19:46   Mini I would be excited now to know that [TS]

01:19:48   that computer line is not 100% dead [TS]

01:19:51   there's two parts of Tim's wording here [TS]

01:19:54   that actually mean anything at all Wow [TS]

01:19:56   does not time to share any detail [TS]

01:19:58   this implies there will be a time in the [TS]

01:20:01   future where something is shared so not [TS]

01:20:03   a time in the past space is another time [TS]

01:20:04   machine it will have to be a time in the [TS]

01:20:05   future and he will share details details [TS]

01:20:07   about what it's details that this person [TS]

01:20:09   who sent this email apparently would be [TS]

01:20:10   interested in this person wants a Mac [TS]

01:20:11   Mini right so well so what that Clause [TS]

01:20:15   means is there may come a time in the [TS]

01:20:17   future where there's something to share [TS]

01:20:19   the only other part of this that says [TS]

01:20:21   anything is important we tube we do plan [TS]

01:20:26   for the Mac Mini to be an important part [TS]

01:20:28   of our product line going forward but [TS]

01:20:29   the problem with that when a CEO says [TS]

01:20:32   important it's like when it's like your [TS]

01:20:34   call is important to us like that is [TS]

01:20:36   complete BS they do not mean it they're [TS]

01:20:39   saying that to please you that doesn't [TS]

01:20:42   mean anything when you remove the BS [TS]

01:20:44   speak from this all it really says is we [TS]

01:20:48   plan for the Mac Mini to be part of our [TS]

01:20:49   product line go in the future going [TS]

01:20:51   forward like that's it that's all it [TS]

01:20:52   says yeah but but like I said don't have [TS]

01:20:55   any share right now we will have [TS]

01:20:56   something to share later and if the [TS]

01:20:57   product doesn't change there's nothing [TS]

01:20:58   to share if there's something to share [TS]

01:21:00   that means there's news that means [TS]

01:21:01   there's news that Mac many owners want [TS]

01:21:03   any obvious news is there's gonna be a [TS]

01:21:05   man you make money Wow [TS]

01:21:06   so basically I think part one of my [TS]

01:21:10   skepticism on this is I don't think this [TS]

01:21:13   email says anything real I think this is [TS]

01:21:16   a hundred percent fluff and nothing [TS]

01:21:18   there's no meat to it [TS]

01:21:20   I completely agree 100% it's the one [TS]

01:21:23   it's one percent a promise that the Mac [TS]

01:21:25   Mini is not dead as a line yeah but [TS]

01:21:27   we've hear Tim Cook you're not gonna [TS]

01:21:29   make that declaration in an email to [TS]

01:21:30   some Rando you're gonna make it yeah [TS]

01:21:32   sure you know like I think that is the [TS]

01:21:34   minimum the minimum amount that you get [TS]

01:21:36   there's nothing else he can say that he [TS]

01:21:39   can't just say what Phil said but it [TS]

01:21:41   remains a product in our lineup because [TS]

01:21:42   that would be taken like if you're [TS]

01:21:43   answering at all if you answer with that [TS]

01:21:44   that's taken as a confirmation that it's [TS]

01:21:47   dead because if he can't bring himself [TS]

01:21:49   to say his you know patented Tim Cook [TS]

01:21:51   just stay tuned we're really excited [TS]

01:21:53   about blah blah blah future blah blah [TS]

01:21:54   blah nothing to share today like he does [TS]

01:21:56   that all the time that's his little [TS]

01:21:57   stick if he can't bring himself to say [TS]

01:21:59   that and he actually replies and says [TS]

01:22:01   remains a product than our lineup that [TS]

01:22:03   means it's dead so he has to either not [TS]

01:22:05   reply which would be the smart thing to [TS]

01:22:07   do or reply and say no we're gonna it's [TS]

01:22:11   not dead [TS]

01:22:11   we're gonna do a thing and he gives his [TS]

01:22:13   little answer about you know nothing to [TS]

01:22:16   share today that means there'll be [TS]

01:22:18   something to share like that and that is [TS]

01:22:20   you know you could say 90% BS and 90% [TS]

01:22:22   content free but that one little nugget [TS]

01:22:24   like I said if I was a Big Mac Mini fan [TS]

01:22:26   that would make me very excited because [TS]

01:22:27   I feel like it was unambiguous [TS]

01:22:29   unambiguous that Tim Cook thinks in the [TS]

01:22:31   same way by the way that they would have [TS]

01:22:32   said we have you know Mac Pro users we [TS]

01:22:34   have something you'll be excited about [TS]

01:22:35   and they meant the iMac Pro and so you [TS]

01:22:37   can still be disappointed but like oh I [TS]

01:22:39   was hoping they would you know keep the [TS]

01:22:40   Mac Pro but it turns out the thing they [TS]

01:22:42   thought we would be excited about is the [TS]

01:22:43   iMac Pro and kind of be excited about it [TS]

01:22:46   but it would still be not as good as a [TS]

01:22:47   real Mac Pro right so there's still room [TS]

01:22:49   for Mac Mini owners to be disappointed [TS]

01:22:51   but that's that you know that's their [TS]

01:22:52   lot in life right isn't it yeah it's [TS]

01:22:55   always been a disappointing part okay so [TS]

01:22:58   anyway I think I think it's not that bad [TS]

01:23:01   part one of my disappointment with this [TS]

01:23:03   was you know Tim's fluffy language when [TS]

01:23:06   when Tim says things because interviews [TS]

01:23:07   I don't even watch them or care because [TS]

01:23:09   there's so little content really he's so [TS]

01:23:11   guarded he's so careful that you see no [TS]

01:23:13   personality you get no real ideas of [TS]

01:23:15   anything so I don't anyway so I wouldn't [TS]

01:23:18   put anything into his words the other [TS]

01:23:20   thing to worry about is do we want [TS]

01:23:23   today's Apple redesigning the Mac Mini [TS]

01:23:27   like when they last did it in 2014 [TS]

01:23:32   yeah when in 2014 they basically took a [TS]

01:23:34   2012 model and made it worse what would [TS]

01:23:37   they do if today's Apple redesigned the [TS]

01:23:40   Mac Mini because what everyone wants is [TS]

01:23:42   one thing what everyone wants is yeah [TS]

01:23:45   maybe bring back the quad-core option [TS]

01:23:46   that used to have maybe bring back the [TS]

01:23:48   user replaceable upgradable hard drive [TS]

01:23:51   and socketed RAM like things like that [TS]

01:23:53   would be great because this is a machine [TS]

01:23:55   that appeals to low-end and budget [TS]

01:23:58   conscious buyers more than their other [TS]

01:24:00   machines so like that matters like the [TS]

01:24:03   upgrade ability and repair ability over [TS]

01:24:04   time that matters more on this machine [TS]

01:24:06   than on probably and any of their other [TS]

01:24:08   machines and they made it worse [TS]

01:24:10   substantially in the 2012 update so like [TS]

01:24:14   Pete when people say when an updated Mac [TS]

01:24:16   Mini I think number one what they want [TS]

01:24:18   is upgraded components that would be [TS]

01:24:19   nice to have like you know modern and [TS]

01:24:20   processor than everything but I think [TS]

01:24:22   they're also thinking of some kind of [TS]

01:24:24   redesign and everyone [TS]

01:24:25   their idea of what they wanted to be [TS]

01:24:26   like mackaninee users use them as their [TS]

01:24:29   primary computers generally want [TS]

01:24:30   upgradability Apple commentators like [TS]

01:24:33   there was great a great segment an [TS]

01:24:35   upgrade this week and we're Jason still [TS]

01:24:37   argues that it should be more like the [TS]

01:24:38   Intel nook the NUC however that's [TS]

01:24:40   pronounced where it's like the size of [TS]

01:24:41   an Apple TV so it's like you know take [TS]

01:24:43   the Mac Mini and make it even smaller [TS]

01:24:44   make it had even less components and [TS]

01:24:46   upgradability it even fewer ports you [TS]

01:24:49   know things of that I also don't think [TS]

01:24:51   Mac many owners are looking for that but [TS]

01:24:54   I think if Apple did redesign the Mac [TS]

01:24:55   Mini today it would be more like that it [TS]

01:24:58   would be like let's make it even smaller [TS]

01:24:59   let's give it all USB seaports you know [TS]

01:25:02   like take away all the usefulness of it [TS]

01:25:04   keep the same high price maybe even [TS]

01:25:05   increase the price of it with today's [TS]

01:25:07   Apple and now you have less [TS]

01:25:09   upgradability than even before in the [TS]

01:25:11   2012 in the 2014 revision like do you [TS]

01:25:13   think today's Apple would actually issue [TS]

01:25:16   an update to the Mac Mini that Mac many [TS]

01:25:18   buyers would be happy with I think it's [TS]

01:25:20   very unlikely I think you're kind of [TS]

01:25:23   dancing around this article that you [TS]

01:25:24   haven't read in the show notes which is [TS]

01:25:25   by ricardo mori who who offers three he [TS]

01:25:30   categorized three possibilities for the [TS]

01:25:32   future of the Mac Mini or things that [TS]

01:25:34   many people might like and you already [TS]

01:25:36   covered two of them but just to cover [TS]

01:25:37   was the link in the show notes to read [TS]

01:25:39   this article which is longer the first [TS]

01:25:41   option is it's the same Mac minis you [TS]

01:25:43   see today but it has upgraded internals [TS]

01:25:45   which is like the minimum they could do [TS]

01:25:47   write better CPUs GPUs faster SSD like [TS]

01:25:51   you all the things you expect do you [TS]

01:25:53   know USB C ports on the back but like [TS]

01:25:55   but otherwise it's the same and probably [TS]

01:25:57   a price bump because why not right [TS]

01:25:59   second option is the Apple TV sighs Mac [TS]

01:26:02   Mini right it's it's smaller it's you [TS]

01:26:05   know like as lower power stuff in there [TS]

01:26:10   in both senses but it's like the size of [TS]

01:26:12   a hockey puck so a whole new realm of [TS]

01:26:14   things becomes possible like the Intel [TS]

01:26:16   nook like the Apple TV you know that's [TS]

01:26:19   the second option and the third option [TS]

01:26:20   which you didn't mention because you [TS]

01:26:22   know I think this is probably the least [TS]

01:26:24   likely is that it's basically the X Mac [TS]

01:26:28   or the poor man's Mac Pro it is a small [TS]

01:26:31   modular computer but that it goes like [TS]

01:26:34   upmarket in terms of power like what if [TS]

01:26:38   you don't [TS]

01:26:38   I'm AK possesses you don't want to [TS]

01:26:40   screen but you also don't want a [TS]

01:26:41   bazillion dollar Mac Pro you want a [TS]

01:26:44   desktop Mac that is nevertheless [TS]

01:26:45   configurable and you can put some [TS]

01:26:47   powerful stuff in it and then you don't [TS]

01:26:49   have to say it's upgradable maybe it's [TS]

01:26:50   not upgradable at all maybe this is [TS]

01:26:51   totally you know but but it is like [TS]

01:26:53   faster like it's actually got some fast [TS]

01:26:55   processes and a fast it's like a little [TS]

01:26:57   mini speed demo again this is the least [TS]

01:26:58   option all of these are small computers [TS]

01:27:02   they're small computers that do not have [TS]

01:27:03   a screen it's not a laptop but they're [TS]

01:27:05   like it's like three sizes you know you [TS]

01:27:07   got the the current size which i think [TS]

01:27:09   is actually kind of gross like you know [TS]

01:27:11   flat and wide I kind of not that I like [TS]

01:27:14   the taller skinnier one but I don't like [TS]

01:27:16   things to get wider or like I think that [TS]

01:27:17   limits useless but anyway you got that [TS]

01:27:19   form factor you've got the hockey puck [TS]

01:27:20   and that presumably the DX Mac or the [TS]

01:27:23   poor man's Mac Pro would be bigger still [TS]

01:27:25   than the current one and these three [TS]

01:27:29   options are not equally likely you know [TS]

01:27:31   like you said about the puck like who [TS]

01:27:33   really wants that and it's extremely [TS]

01:27:35   limiting the the X macro poor minds Mac [TS]

01:27:39   Pro is just not gonna happen like give [TS]

01:27:40   up you know that's why the X Mac will [TS]

01:27:44   never you know that's something that [TS]

01:27:45   enthusiasts want they don't want and so [TS]

01:27:47   that leaves the first one where it is a [TS]

01:27:48   new Mac Mini with updated internals and [TS]

01:27:51   maybe it changes size in some small way [TS]

01:27:53   because they can make it smaller now but [TS]

01:27:54   it's not hockey puck sighs you know like [TS]

01:27:58   and I guess there's you know fourth [TS]

01:28:01   option or whatever that it's just [TS]

01:28:02   something entirely crazy like that's by [TS]

01:28:04   the way the Mac Mini and the Mac Pro [TS]

01:28:07   both seem to induce this in people where [TS]

01:28:09   they start to get the idea like what if [TS]

01:28:10   it was like a bunch of Mac minis you [TS]

01:28:12   could combine them and they would [TS]

01:28:13   combine forces like Voltron and you know [TS]

01:28:16   use some sort of magic technology to [TS]

01:28:19   distribute computing across them and if [TS]

01:28:21   you just added more Mac minis that would [TS]

01:28:22   get fast there and all sorts of fantasy [TS]

01:28:23   scenarios that are like this is not this [TS]

01:28:26   is not the 90s this is not at the Apple [TS]

01:28:29   that made a duo doc like that's not [TS]

01:28:30   going to happen this is not their [TS]

01:28:32   important product you could technically [TS]

01:28:34   do some of these things but you know not [TS]

01:28:37   the Mac Mini it gets is the least [TS]

01:28:39   investment of any Mac so you should just [TS]

01:28:41   hope that they updated that the price is [TS]

01:28:44   not too obscene and that is good to go [TS]

01:28:46   for another three years I think that's [TS]

01:28:48   the best you can hope for and I think [TS]

01:28:49   that's what's going to happen yeah I [TS]

01:28:51   think it's it's [TS]

01:28:52   kind of sad though that we the option [TS]

01:28:54   that we think is the most likely is also [TS]

01:28:57   probably what the fewest Mac many [TS]

01:28:58   customers are asking for or want yeah [TS]

01:29:01   think so I do I mean like so you know [TS]

01:29:04   the OP the most likely one obviously is [TS]

01:29:05   the one where they make it even smaller [TS]

01:29:07   and remove even more from oh no no I [TS]

01:29:09   think the most likely one is they just [TS]

01:29:10   update the internals they could still [TS]

01:29:11   make it smaller but it's not gonna be [TS]

01:29:12   puck I don't think the puck is the most [TS]

01:29:14   likely one at all I think it's like it's [TS]

01:29:15   still it's still a silver box it just [TS]

01:29:17   has different ports in different [TS]

01:29:19   internals that I think that's the most [TS]

01:29:20   likely that so based on what what modern [TS]

01:29:24   Apple would do and what modern Apple [TS]

01:29:27   would you know should do I think making [TS]

01:29:30   it better making it more more powerful [TS]

01:29:34   more expandable more upgradable that's [TS]

01:29:37   not going to happen [TS]

01:29:38   I think the best we can hope for is that [TS]

01:29:40   they keep it the same and just update [TS]

01:29:41   the guts so and it's it's really telling [TS]

01:29:45   to consider that is that's what we're [TS]

01:29:49   hoping for here is like please Apple [TS]

01:29:51   don't touch it too much like please like [TS]

01:29:53   touch it a little bit like give us [TS]

01:29:55   upgrade of great opponents but like I [TS]

01:29:57   feel like you know going back to going [TS]

01:29:59   back to my argument I think last show or [TS]

01:30:00   the one before about about Apple lacking [TS]

01:30:02   confidence in its design it seems like [TS]

01:30:05   Apple refuses to update a product where [TS]

01:30:11   it's just a speck bump a lot of the time [TS]

01:30:13   you know the Mac Pro famously was never [TS]

01:30:15   updated after it was released the [TS]

01:30:17   laptops before that had had wide long [TS]

01:30:20   spans or like they could have upgraded [TS]

01:30:21   CPUs but they didn't the Mac Mini is is [TS]

01:30:25   the clearest example yet of that now and [TS]

01:30:27   the current lineup because I'd consider [TS]

01:30:29   the Mac Pro not in the current lineup [TS]

01:30:31   even though it's definitely for sale [TS]

01:30:32   anyway III think Apple needs to get over [TS]

01:30:35   this this insecurity or this roadblock [TS]

01:30:38   they have in their head that every [TS]

01:30:40   update has to be some kind of new [TS]

01:30:43   external design or mind blowing thing [TS]

01:30:45   because that is important for some of [TS]

01:30:47   their products I'd say you know the [TS]

01:30:49   iPhone is the biggest example where like [TS]

01:30:50   you know the market really values that [TS]

01:30:52   but there are a lot of products they [TS]

01:30:53   sell where the market doesn't really [TS]

01:30:55   care about that so much and if the [TS]

01:30:58   alternative to having a fancy new [TS]

01:31:01   external design on a regular basis is [TS]

01:31:04   never getting an update of any kind [TS]

01:31:06   then you know Apple needs to really [TS]

01:31:07   really consider what that says about [TS]

01:31:10   them and what kind of computer company [TS]

01:31:13   they want to be if they still want to be [TS]

01:31:14   a computer company please for the love [TS]

01:31:15   of God please I mean jeez it's a valid [TS]

01:31:19   question these days but like it is [TS]

01:31:21   totally fine for the Mac Mini to get [TS]

01:31:24   updates where the external design does [TS]

01:31:26   not change like the market like an apple [TS]

01:31:30   should be confident enough to be able to [TS]

01:31:33   update it without without saying well we [TS]

01:31:36   can't do anything big so we should just [TS]

01:31:38   wait until we can cuz that's not that's [TS]

01:31:40   not how computers work like that's not [TS]

01:31:43   how people buy computers that's not how [TS]

01:31:45   it's not what anybody wants didn't they [TS]

01:31:47   just do two updates so the Mac Mini like [TS]

01:31:49   that though the last two updates have [TS]

01:31:50   been form-factor doesn't change [TS]

01:31:52   internals get quote unquote better [TS]

01:31:54   the first 2012 one is they didn't get [TS]

01:31:56   better so like I feel like the Mac Mini [TS]

01:31:57   if only because they don't want to spend [TS]

01:32:00   the money to design and do new tooling [TS]

01:32:02   for a new thing and to be clear I think [TS]

01:32:04   it is entirely possible the Mac Mini [TS]

01:32:05   will get smaller I'm just saying it's [TS]

01:32:07   not gonna become something the size of [TS]

01:32:08   the Apple TV like not gonna become super [TS]

01:32:11   duper small because to do that you would [TS]

01:32:12   have to you'd have to really cut the [TS]

01:32:14   power on it like it would have to get [TS]

01:32:16   way slower than it is you can't all [TS]

01:32:18   right maybe it wouldn't maybe we could [TS]

01:32:19   say the same speed as the [TS]

01:32:20   three-year-olds computer but the whole [TS]

01:32:21   point is people want a bump because they [TS]

01:32:23   want a Mac Mini that is more capable [TS]

01:32:25   than the current one and if you just say [TS]

01:32:27   ok well how about if it's the same speed [TS]

01:32:29   it's the size of a hockey puck I think [TS]

01:32:31   they can make it smaller maybe not make [TS]

01:32:33   it so darn wide and have a smaller case [TS]

01:32:35   but it should be faster than the current [TS]

01:32:37   if they introduced a new Mac Mini that [TS]

01:32:39   is not faster than the old one that is [TS]

01:32:41   definitely not what anybody wants [TS]

01:32:43   they already did it once yeah I know I [TS]

01:32:45   know that was the core account thing and [TS]

01:32:47   then nobody liked that update and stuff [TS]

01:32:49   but but the one after that actually did [TS]

01:32:50   get faster you know like no no I have [TS]

01:32:53   that one I have the one that got slower [TS]

01:32:55   2012 wasn't the one where they cut the [TS]

01:32:58   four core option 2012 was was the good [TS]

01:33:00   one they killed the four core option in [TS]

01:33:02   the current lineup which is a 2014 yeah [TS]

01:33:04   all right well anyway I that's what [TS]

01:33:07   people want because why are you not [TS]

01:33:08   satisfied with the current Mac Mini it's [TS]

01:33:10   super expensive and what you get for [TS]

01:33:11   that money doesn't run Mac OS that well [TS]

01:33:14   because it's old and slow so give me a [TS]

01:33:15   new Mac Mini and if we say new Mac Mini [TS]

01:33:18   same [TS]

01:33:19   penis your old one but size of a hockey [TS]

01:33:20   puck you like that's not what I wanted [TS]

01:33:22   okay it's not that doesn't help me I [TS]

01:33:25   would just like I would just keep using [TS]

01:33:27   this one so I agree that it will not be [TS]

01:33:29   an ex macit but I think it's also not [TS]

01:33:32   going to be a puck I think it will be [TS]

01:33:33   Mac Mini either the same size as the [TS]

01:33:36   current case are smaller but not puck [TS]

01:33:38   size and it has to be has to be faster [TS]

01:33:41   how could it not be faster just [TS]

01:33:42   three-year-old guts in there probably [TS]

01:33:44   old if it has to be faster so Tim Cook [TS]

01:33:46   didn't say that in his email but maybe [TS]

01:33:48   I'll email him later and say hey hey Tim [TS]

01:33:50   faster right he'll send me one replies [TS]

01:33:53   his yes yeah no no you kidding [TS]

01:33:56   he can't say one word he'll give you [TS]

01:33:58   three sentence doesn't say nothing it is [TS]

01:34:00   also worth looking back at what the role [TS]

01:34:01   the Mac Mini was supposed to be in the [TS]

01:34:03   first place when it was a first launched [TS]

01:34:05   what about 12 years ago something like [TS]

01:34:07   that what was the role back then at the [TS]

01:34:10   time it was it was basically the Mac for [TS]

01:34:12   new switchers to the Mac platform and it [TS]

01:34:15   was a way that you know if the rest of [TS]

01:34:18   the Macs were too expensive [TS]

01:34:19   for your for your budget or for your [TS]

01:34:21   needs then here's a way if you get a Mac [TS]

01:34:23   for less money you supply your own you [TS]

01:34:27   know whatever display and keyboard and [TS]

01:34:29   mouse you already have or you can get [TS]

01:34:31   cheaply from other people you bring that [TS]

01:34:32   will give you the box and and that can [TS]

01:34:35   be your Mac for a lot less money than [TS]

01:34:37   our big towers or our laptops I think if [TS]

01:34:39   modern Apple still viewed the Mac as a [TS]

01:34:42   business that had potential growth in it [TS]

01:34:44   which is a big question mark I think [TS]

01:34:46   which is unfortunate because I think [TS]

01:34:49   there's tons of growth to be had because [TS]

01:34:50   for all the you know press narrative [TS]

01:34:54   that phones and everything are killing [TS]

01:34:56   computers we all keep using computers [TS]

01:34:58   and we all keep buying them and you know [TS]

01:35:01   while the PC market on the whole is not [TS]

01:35:04   growing very well anymore and it's okay [TS]

01:35:06   this is not growing at all anymore Apple [TS]

01:35:08   doesn't have a very big share of it and [TS]

01:35:09   their share can grow so there's tons of [TS]

01:35:11   growth to be had if they wanted it but I [TS]

01:35:14   think it's worth revisiting that [TS]

01:35:15   original purpose of the Mac Mini which [TS]

01:35:17   is to attract new people to the Mac [TS]

01:35:18   platform who otherwise won't or can't [TS]

01:35:21   buy the other options and if Apple [TS]

01:35:24   really wanted to do that you know I [TS]

01:35:26   think they've always had this tension [TS]

01:35:28   with the Mac Mini that they probably [TS]

01:35:31   don't want to cannibalize sales of the [TS]

01:35:33   max because one thing you know one thing [TS]

01:35:35   that people don't talk about in the [TS]

01:35:37   Apple comment o sphere is that when you [TS]

01:35:40   look at what Apple actually sells the [TS]

01:35:42   volumes they actually sell the computers [TS]

01:35:45   they sell ridiculously high volumes in [TS]

01:35:48   are the lowest and cheapest [TS]

01:35:51   configurations of each type of product [TS]

01:35:53   they sell a ton of the cheapest iMac and [TS]

01:35:56   the cheapest MacBook and it would which [TS]

01:35:59   for a while has been the MacBook Air [TS]

01:36:01   before that it was the the MD 101 like [TS]

01:36:04   that the famous non-written 13-inch [TS]

01:36:06   MacBook Pro Apple sells massive [TS]

01:36:10   quantities of those to businesses [TS]

01:36:13   schools things like that and so they [TS]

01:36:16   have to make sure that whatever is the [TS]

01:36:18   cheapest thing in a category that it is [TS]

01:36:22   both okay for Apple that they sell a lot [TS]

01:36:25   of those instead of anything else and [TS]

01:36:26   that it is a reasonable computer [TS]

01:36:29   I think they clearly want people to buy [TS]

01:36:33   the I D low-end IMAX and not the low-end [TS]

01:36:36   Mac minis as the cheap desktop the [TS]

01:36:39   reality though is that laptops outsell [TS]

01:36:42   desktops so much these days that was not [TS]

01:36:44   as true back when they first launched [TS]

01:36:46   the Mac many laptops are now the [TS]

01:36:48   computers that almost everybody wants so [TS]

01:36:51   if your guys still have a desktop whose [TS]

01:36:54   sole purpose is to sweep up the rest of [TS]

01:36:58   the edges of the market you know as [TS]

01:37:00   Jason Snell said this week an upgrade [TS]

01:37:01   like it's kind of like the catch-all [TS]

01:37:02   it's like it catches a lot of edge case [TS]

01:37:05   needs that is some other that other [TS]

01:37:07   Mac's might be impractical or unusable [TS]

01:37:09   for let people run server farms on Mac [TS]

01:37:12   minis like it's quickly there's so many [TS]

01:37:13   cool uses that you have you know home [TS]

01:37:15   server so like that headless things [TS]

01:37:17   cheap things portable things that [TS]

01:37:18   there's so many things you can do the [TS]

01:37:19   Mac Mini where an iMac would be [TS]

01:37:22   impractical or just not really work for [TS]

01:37:24   that purpose or a laptop wouldn't really [TS]

01:37:25   work you know so the Mac Mini is an [TS]

01:37:29   important part of the line of where it's [TS]

01:37:31   actually truly the question I think is [TS]

01:37:34   is it worth expanding what that means [TS]

01:37:37   now because in today's environment which [TS]

01:37:40   is very different from when the Mac Mini [TS]

01:37:42   was first conceived and introduced [TS]

01:37:45   if they actually had a compelling [TS]

01:37:48   inexpensive little desktop thing that [TS]

01:37:52   you could put a standard two-and-a-half [TS]

01:37:54   inch hard drive in if you wanted to for [TS]

01:37:56   expansion or things like that like [TS]

01:37:58   things that would make it appeal more to [TS]

01:38:00   low end and and customized buyers they [TS]

01:38:05   could I think really increase the appeal [TS]

01:38:08   of Mac OS for a certain category of [TS]

01:38:10   people without I don't think really [TS]

01:38:12   cannibalizing meaningful portions of Mac [TS]

01:38:14   sales because if they introduced a [TS]

01:38:16   desktop that cannibalize the sales of [TS]

01:38:18   the lowest end cheapest iMac I don't [TS]

01:38:21   think that's a big problem for them [TS]

01:38:23   especially as the Mac Mini it's still [TS]

01:38:25   not gonna be that cheap like it's still [TS]

01:38:26   not gonna be a great value because it [TS]

01:38:28   never has been so from that angle I [TS]

01:38:30   think it's okay and the reality is most [TS]

01:38:33   low-end buyers these is by laptops [TS]

01:38:35   anyway so I don't think they have to [TS]

01:38:38   worry so much about low-end [TS]

01:38:39   cannibalization anymore that as they [TS]

01:38:42   used to and so what this product could [TS]

01:38:44   instead do is be a market expander [TS]

01:38:48   basically expand the market the market [TS]

01:38:51   share of Mac OS of people using real [TS]

01:38:53   Mac's instead of hacking Tasha's who [TS]

01:38:55   want their own desktop who don't want to [TS]

01:38:59   pay iMac prices who want to put like 2 [TS]

01:39:01   terabytes in it with a standard Drive in [TS]

01:39:03   some way like things like that like this [TS]

01:39:05   could be a market expander for them in a [TS]

01:39:08   way that would detract from their core [TS]

01:39:10   proper markets almost not at all if they [TS]

01:39:13   wanted it to be but I don't it doesn't [TS]

01:39:15   seem like Apple views the Mac as a [TS]

01:39:17   growth market anymore but I think that's [TS]

01:39:19   totally wrong I feel like you're getting [TS]

01:39:21   a dex max territory when you keep [TS]

01:39:23   talking about the idea that it's gonna [TS]

01:39:24   have a 2.5 inch base somewhere in this [TS]

01:39:26   computer like it did until 2012 2014 [TS]

01:39:30   that seems very unlikely they love the [TS]

01:39:34   PCI base and now you can still there is [TS]

01:39:39   still space in the case design for one [TS]

01:39:42   and you can I think you can still one of [TS]

01:39:43   them with Fusion drives so like you [TS]

01:39:46   could have a stick and a bay in there [TS]

01:39:48   yeah but if you didn't order it with a [TS]

01:39:51   fusion drive then the hardware to mount [TS]

01:39:53   the drive isn't there like so mine is [TS]

01:39:55   SSD only and I wanted to expand it [TS]

01:39:58   because it's only 256 [TS]

01:39:59   and I can't like I just can't there's no [TS]

01:40:01   hardware in there to support anything so [TS]

01:40:03   I have to do external stuff I want to [TS]

01:40:05   expand it so we don't Apple hasn't [TS]

01:40:06   broken out I've had many sales and [TS]

01:40:08   forever if they ever did so we don't [TS]

01:40:09   really know what the numbers are but I [TS]

01:40:11   bet they're super small and what you're [TS]

01:40:12   describing would be a cool thing but I [TS]

01:40:14   think it falls under the same category [TS]

01:40:16   is the Mac Pro isn't they would have had [TS]

01:40:19   to have a special announcement of that [TS]

01:40:20   like it's getting index Mac territory [TS]

01:40:22   we're saying we're gonna reimagine the [TS]

01:40:24   Mac Mini and it is gonna fulfill a [TS]

01:40:27   different role and that role is exactly [TS]

01:40:29   what you just described Margot and but [TS]

01:40:30   it would have to be a very different [TS]

01:40:31   product it would have to basically be a [TS]

01:40:33   miniature Mac Pro designed to be modular [TS]

01:40:36   and configurable to be able to spec it [TS]

01:40:40   up and down to get a really cheap [TS]

01:40:41   low-end one but also really fast [TS]

01:40:43   high-end one in a similar form factor [TS]

01:40:46   and be upgradable and fulfil all those [TS]

01:40:48   roles that you've just described for a [TS]

01:40:50   different kind of person like because [TS]

01:40:51   the iMac would be the I don't want to [TS]

01:40:52   worry about it I don't want how many [TS]

01:40:54   boxes or cables it's all in one so I'll [TS]

01:40:56   get the low-end iMac right and I just [TS]

01:40:59   it's all in one box and I get a nice [TS]

01:41:00   screen and a nice computer and it's all [TS]

01:41:02   there and then the other end is I want a [TS]

01:41:04   computer that is configurable and [TS]

01:41:06   upgradable and potentially can be [TS]

01:41:09   cheaper than the iMac I've already have [TS]

01:41:11   a monitor but also could be more [TS]

01:41:12   expensive if I want to crank it up and [TS]

01:41:14   try to get something faster and that's [TS]

01:41:16   into like smacks territory but so far we [TS]

01:41:18   don't know anything about this but it's [TS]

01:41:19   still those are still seen it's just [TS]

01:41:21   much more likely that it will continue [TS]

01:41:23   to be what it is which is like the [TS]

01:41:26   cheapest way to get into a Mac as long [TS]

01:41:30   as you don't need to look at a screen [TS]

01:41:31   right like you already have a screen at [TS]

01:41:33   the keyboard in the mouse you can [TS]

01:41:34   probably spec a Mac Mini so that is [TS]

01:41:36   cheaper than Apple's cheapest laptop [TS]

01:41:37   which may not be true for much longer [TS]

01:41:39   given how the Mac Mini prices keep going [TS]

01:41:41   up and that Apple continues to keep [TS]

01:41:44   around low-end cheap laptops like what [TS]

01:41:46   is the you know the 13-inch [TS]

01:41:47   air with a terrible screen is that below [TS]

01:41:49   $900 yet it's around there yeah so yeah [TS]

01:41:55   it would be nice of that trend reverse [TS]

01:41:56   and you can actually get a cheaper Mac [TS]

01:41:58   Mini but um I'm not really into the Mac [TS]

01:42:01   Mini but I feel for people who use them [TS]

01:42:04   in various roles and it's one of those [TS]

01:42:07   products where it probably doesn't make [TS]

01:42:08   them money like they probably don't sell [TS]

01:42:10   enough of them to recoup the cost of [TS]

01:42:12   Altmann of the new case that they're [TS]

01:42:13   gonna design if they do design a new [TS]

01:42:15   case or whatever but it keeps enough of [TS]

01:42:17   the of the right people happy the people [TS]

01:42:21   who are enthusiasts who will spread the [TS]

01:42:25   word of Apple and be satisfied to be in [TS]

01:42:28   an all Apple ecosystem because they can [TS]

01:42:30   make their music server be a Mac Mini or [TS]

01:42:32   they can use it in some little situation [TS]

01:42:34   that tickles their nerd hearts right [TS]

01:42:36   like just there is value in that beyond [TS]

01:42:38   the value of how much money did we make [TS]

01:42:40   on selling them because I really think [TS]

01:42:41   they sell very very very very very few [TS]

01:42:44   Mac minis and like the Mac Pro it's kind [TS]

01:42:47   of a self-fulfilling prophecy we don't [TS]

01:42:48   update for three years and increase the [TS]

01:42:49   price and make it slower yadda yadda [TS]

01:42:51   yadda but I'm personally less angry [TS]

01:42:53   about it so I'm I'm just willing to be [TS]

01:42:55   patient here but like I said I'm excited [TS]

01:42:56   there's gonna be details that will be [TS]

01:42:59   shared in the future like I still am [TS]

01:43:04   very skeptical that's anything I I think [TS]

01:43:07   the problem with the Mac Mini is that it [TS]

01:43:10   it tries to be as three different [TS]

01:43:14   computers at once right there or at [TS]

01:43:16   least two I know a lot of people that [TS]

01:43:18   love to have them as a entertainment [TS]

01:43:22   computer and I know that with the Apple [TS]

01:43:23   TV and other boxes like it that's less [TS]

01:43:26   important now but I know people that you [TS]

01:43:28   know have a Mac Mini connected to a TV [TS]

01:43:30   and that's that's how they prefer to [TS]

01:43:32   manage their media so that's one kind of [TS]

01:43:35   Mac Mini another kind of Mac Mini is the [TS]

01:43:37   sort that Marco I think uses wherein [TS]

01:43:39   it's just a very very cheap in-home Mac [TS]

01:43:41   based server and that's also oftentimes [TS]

01:43:44   used at development shops like mine we [TS]

01:43:46   for a long time used two Mac Mini as a [TS]

01:43:48   continuous integration platform which is [TS]

01:43:51   something that Marco does not understand [TS]

01:43:53   then there's also parking yeah well put [TS]

01:43:56   it the parking lot a Strummer for all [TS]

01:43:58   about it tomorrow morning [TS]

01:43:59   yeah that sounds that sounds perfect and [TS]

01:44:02   then finally there's the one that it [TS]

01:44:04   sounds like Marco's most interested in [TS]

01:44:06   unsurprisingly which is the cheap but [TS]

01:44:10   expandable and flexible Mac something [TS]

01:44:14   that's kind of sort of like the MacBook [TS]

01:44:17   Air that John had just brought up but [TS]

01:44:19   desktop II you know where you can expand [TS]

01:44:22   it potentially and you can bring your [TS]

01:44:24   own keyboard and mouse [TS]

01:44:25   and in monitor and so on and so forth [TS]

01:44:27   and I think the problem is is that no [TS]

01:44:30   matter what Apple does shy of making [TS]

01:44:32   three different machines there will be [TS]

01:44:34   one or more groups that will be [TS]

01:44:37   displeased by the results and I don't [TS]

01:44:40   envy them in that regard and yes to a [TS]

01:44:41   large degree this is a self-created [TS]

01:44:43   problem just like John said and Marco [TS]

01:44:45   said about how you know well yeah you [TS]

01:44:46   didn't update it for three years and the [TS]

01:44:47   updates you did before that were crap so [TS]

01:44:50   this is this is this is the bed they've [TS]

01:44:52   chosen to sleep in but it's a crummy [TS]

01:44:55   situation and I don't know how to dig [TS]

01:44:56   yourself out of it out of outside of [TS]

01:44:58   making a few different machines it's not [TS]

01:45:01   gonna matter though because our iPhone [TS]

01:45:02   tens will be quicker anyway yeah Gary [TS]

01:45:06   100% guaranteed unless they did the X [TS]

01:45:09   Mac which they're not all right thanks [TS]

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01:45:25   accidental accidental John [TS]

01:45:31   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

01:45:34   him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

01:45:38   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

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01:46:19   [Music] [TS]

01:46:27   sound of Italian power that's not what [TS]

01:46:31   that is I don't know I don't know what [TS]

01:46:33   your BMW sounds like plus Thibodaux he's [TS]

01:46:35   in the shop I don't think you want to [TS]

01:46:36   rev it like that block the valvetrain [TS]

01:46:38   again that is true [TS]

01:46:43   sounds like some kind of dinosaurs [TS]

01:46:46   exploding in sequence and possibly eight [TS]

01:46:49   sequences it's not eight sequences it is [TS]

01:46:54   it is six sequences three six on that [TS]

01:46:57   Julia hmm it is a v6 in the Julia and [TS]

01:47:00   that is what you just heard I recorded [TS]

01:47:03   that last night sounds good [TS]

01:47:05   so my alpha has arrived I am back to [TS]

01:47:08   being a car journalist ladies and [TS]

01:47:09   gentlemen and I am excited [TS]

01:47:11   wait did you like glue a camera to the [TS]

01:47:13   back here car how'd you get this it's a [TS]

01:47:15   GoPro oh okay with a suction cup you're [TS]

01:47:18   a vlogger now I know right work has a [TS]

01:47:21   GoPro what is this thing it is a Hero 3 [TS]

01:47:26   plus and anyway and and I bought an [TS]

01:47:29   literally an $8 suction cup mount you [TS]

01:47:32   know quick aside this is not why I'm [TS]

01:47:33   bringing all this up I had never really [TS]

01:47:36   used a GoPro before this thing is [TS]

01:47:38   amazing [TS]

01:47:39   like everyone including I think the [TS]

01:47:41   three of us and I very much include [TS]

01:47:42   myself on this one the we had said oh [TS]

01:47:46   you know the GoPros going out of [TS]

01:47:48   business because maybe we never talked [TS]

01:47:50   about this but I feel like we did GoPros [TS]

01:47:51   going out of business because that's why [TS]

01:47:52   you have an iPhone and they're like [TS]

01:47:54   waterproof now and you're good to go and [TS]

01:47:56   and yeah we didn't all say that yeah [TS]

01:48:06   well yeah but I don't trust my own lack [TS]

01:48:08   of memory anyway the point is is that [TS]

01:48:11   I've heard somebody say that that the [TS]

01:48:14   GoPro that GoPro is going out of [TS]

01:48:16   business and I have no idea what their [TS]

01:48:17   financials look like but this thing is [TS]

01:48:19   so damn flexible not in a physical sense [TS]

01:48:21   but it is so damn flexible and so good [TS]

01:48:25   that I if you do any sort of videography [TS]

01:48:31   that involves any sort of motion and [TS]

01:48:33   putting things in odd places that sounds [TS]

01:48:36   bad but go with it here this is a [TS]

01:48:38   tremendous device and I am so glad I was [TS]

01:48:40   able to borrow [TS]

01:48:41   from work so yeah so I suction-cupped a [TS]

01:48:44   GoPro to the back of the Alfa Romeo as I [TS]

01:48:46   was going through a parking garage sort [TS]

01:48:49   of near my house don't be creepy and and [TS]

01:48:52   so I got delivered to me an Alfa Romeo [TS]

01:48:56   Giulia [TS]

01:48:58   let me try this I'm sorry Federico who [TS]

01:49:00   probably doesn't even listen the show he [TS]

01:49:01   actually recorded for me a clip I should [TS]

01:49:04   send it to Marco so he could dub it in [TS]

01:49:06   he recorded for me a clip of him [TS]

01:49:07   pronouncing it at my request and I'm [TS]

01:49:09   gonna butcher it but anyway it's a [TS]

01:49:12   Quadrifoglio Julia Quadrifoglio it's the [TS]

01:49:18   high speed a twin-turbo v6 version of [TS]

01:49:21   the Alfa Romeo Giulia and it is on [TS]

01:49:25   believable [TS]

01:49:26   holy SH is this nice car it's take your [TS]

01:49:31   m take your take your Tesla but make it [TS]

01:49:35   much more possible and make it sound [TS]

01:49:39   like sex and that is basically what this [TS]

01:49:42   is or perhaps take your m5 and make it [TS]

01:49:46   lose fifteen thousand pounds because by [TS]

01:49:48   comparing I loved your m5 don't get me [TS]

01:49:51   wrong but the this thing feels like it's [TS]

01:49:54   1/10 the car that the m5 was and oh my [TS]

01:49:58   word it's amazing I'm a little concerned [TS]

01:50:02   about your opinion of the sound of [TS]

01:50:04   certain things but this does sound [TS]

01:50:09   really good I think it looks good John [TS]

01:50:12   doesn't agree that it looks good but I [TS]

01:50:13   think it looks good [TS]

01:50:14   oh it does not look good and if you [TS]

01:50:16   don't want to stick of course that's the [TS]

01:50:17   sticking point I guess that's our first [TS]

01:50:20   question it's like how is the automatic [TS]

01:50:22   transmission in this wonderful sex car [TS]

01:50:27   so the automatic is an odd thing this [TS]

01:50:33   has the ZF 8-speed that BMW uses that [TS]

01:50:36   the Challenger Hellcat uses it's the [TS]

01:50:39   same ZF 8-speed that's used in anything [TS]

01:50:41   that wants to go fast but only have two [TS]

01:50:43   pedals and doesn't want to be a DCT and [TS]

01:50:46   I still want a stick but damn if this [TS]

01:50:51   isn't a decent set a substitute [TS]

01:50:54   and the biggest problem I had with this [TS]

01:50:57   car is that and to be clear in case you [TS]

01:51:01   haven't been following along this is [TS]

01:51:02   this is my alpha only for a week and [TS]

01:51:04   then it goes back to Alfre May oh it's a [TS]

01:51:06   press car that was arranged by friends [TS]

01:51:09   of the show at the wheel bearings [TS]

01:51:10   podcast which we've linked to before and [TS]

01:51:12   a link to again imagine imagine our show [TS]

01:51:14   neutral but by people who actually know [TS]

01:51:16   what they're talking about and that's [TS]

01:51:17   wheel bearing so anyway so I've spent $0 [TS]

01:51:20   on this car I've already gone through [TS]

01:51:22   like a half a tank of gas and span of [TS]

01:51:23   three days but that's a different issue [TS]

01:51:24   but this car will be going back to Alfa [TS]

01:51:26   Romeo on Monday so anyway the 8-speed ZF [TS]

01:51:30   8-speed it feels unlike any other [TS]

01:51:35   automatic I've driven and I don't know [TS]

01:51:38   if it's just that it has a lock-up [TS]

01:51:39   torque converter that spends almost all [TS]

01:51:41   of its time locked but it feels much [TS]

01:51:45   more like a DCT than it does a [TS]

01:51:48   traditional automatic the problem I have [TS]

01:51:50   with the Alfa Romeo though was that [TS]

01:51:52   there is that first gear is pretty much [TS]

01:51:57   useless and and I don't know what it is [TS]

01:51:59   because it it just doesn't really move [TS]

01:52:02   in first gear and then you bang into [TS]

01:52:05   second gear and suddenly you know the [TS]

01:52:08   the Kraken has been released and all [TS]

01:52:11   bets are off [TS]

01:52:12   well at least that's what I thought and [TS]

01:52:15   it turns out that I'm just too [TS]

01:52:18   programmed by BMW and I'm too used to [TS]

01:52:23   seeing the dashboard light up like a [TS]

01:52:26   Christmas tree [TS]

01:52:26   if the traction control comes on so [TS]

01:52:30   earlier today I was out and the Alfa [TS]

01:52:36   Romeo has four modes it has D na for [TS]

01:52:40   dynamic natural and advanced efficiency [TS]

01:52:43   which basically amounts to sport normal [TS]

01:52:46   and eco crap [TS]

01:52:48   but it also has race mode race mode is [TS]

01:52:51   scary because race mode turns off all [TS]

01:52:55   the electronic nannies and that's the [TS]

01:52:57   way it works it also makes the exhaust [TS]

01:52:59   sound even better but it turns off all [TS]

01:53:01   the electronic nannies and so I had it [TS]

01:53:06   in race mode I had [TS]

01:53:07   firmly planted with the wheel at zero [TS]

01:53:10   degrees because this is a rear-wheel [TS]

01:53:12   drive car with 500 horsepower and I [TS]

01:53:14   don't trust my driving skills as Marco [TS]

01:53:16   saw at BMW in South Carolina so anyway I [TS]

01:53:19   had it firmly planted at zero degrees [TS]

01:53:22   and I mashed on the gas and I realized [TS]

01:53:25   oh my first gear isn't the problem [TS]

01:53:29   the problem is it doesn't have wide [TS]

01:53:31   enough tires to get the traction to the [TS]

01:53:33   ground or to get to get the torque to [TS]

01:53:35   the ground and so the problem is that [TS]

01:53:38   it's neutered in first because it just [TS]

01:53:40   can't it just can't get the power down [TS]

01:53:43   and oh my word is this thing quick when [TS]

01:53:47   it hooks up [TS]

01:53:48   it is unbelievable fast the numbers say [TS]

01:53:52   it's zero to 60 in a little under 4 [TS]

01:53:54   seconds which is probably about the same [TS]

01:53:56   speed as Marcos Tesla but oh my word it [TS]

01:53:59   feels like a rocket and sounds so good [TS]

01:54:04   it is unbelievable I don't know what to [TS]

01:54:07   make of the reliability you know [TS]

01:54:10   obviously everyone has like a dad or an [TS]

01:54:12   uncle or a grandfather or a cousin or [TS]

01:54:14   something like that that had an Alfa [TS]

01:54:15   Romeo 20-30 years ago and said that they [TS]

01:54:16   never worked for more than 10 minutes at [TS]

01:54:18   a time I believe that to be true I don't [TS]

01:54:20   doubt it I don't know if this is [TS]

01:54:23   reliable or not who knows but it if it [TS]

01:54:27   is reliable and if one can have one [TS]

01:54:31   under the $80,000 or so that the [TS]

01:54:34   stickers for wow what a great sedan and [TS]

01:54:37   so much of the inside feels like it's a [TS]

01:54:41   BMW but slightly different the gear [TS]

01:54:44   shift is straight out of a BMW mate I'm [TS]

01:54:47   assuming not literally but it's the [TS]

01:54:48   exact same style as like Tiff's car has [TS]

01:54:50   the paddles are humongous but otherwise [TS]

01:54:54   very BMW ish although the BMW loaner I [TS]

01:54:58   have today because my car went into the [TS]

01:54:59   shop for another $2,000 repair the [TS]

01:55:02   loaner I have today is the 340 grand [TS]

01:55:04   grand touring grand treason or whatever [TS]

01:55:06   the hell the thing is that if has the [TS]

01:55:08   debrief I'm sorry not 340 a 330 GT and [TS]

01:55:12   this and the paddles are on the steering [TS]

01:55:14   wheel and I think I prefer that but Maya [TS]

01:55:17   my understanding is that I'm wrong so [TS]

01:55:20   John do you know why I'm [TS]

01:55:21   to prefer the paddles on the wheel [TS]

01:55:22   rather than the steering column I [TS]

01:55:24   thought about that a lot because every [TS]

01:55:26   time I read review some what people have [TS]

01:55:29   strong opinions like usually they're [TS]

01:55:30   they're raving about them in the Ferrari [TS]

01:55:32   and how they're how they're on the [TS]

01:55:33   column and not on the wheel but I really [TS]

01:55:36   the only thing I have to compare it to [TS]

01:55:38   is you know my audio controls which I [TS]

01:55:42   use a surprising amount because I do [TS]

01:55:43   random play on my on my ipod in the car [TS]

01:55:45   and I do a lot of skipping much to the [TS]

01:55:47   consternation of everyone in the car [TS]

01:55:48   with me and so very often I will want to [TS]

01:55:51   skip to the next track while I'm turning [TS]

01:55:53   and I think about would it be better if [TS]

01:55:56   I could get to that control and it was [TS]

01:55:58   always in the same place or would it be [TS]

01:55:59   better that it stays you know visit [TS]

01:56:01   because were actually on the steering [TS]

01:56:02   wheel and I having you know I can't say [TS]

01:56:05   having owned the only paddle-shift car [TS]

01:56:07   I've ever used as Markos m5 and I don't [TS]

01:56:10   think it did a lot of sharp turns now [TS]

01:56:11   but my recollection is that those [TS]

01:56:12   paddles were on the column is that [TS]

01:56:14   correct mark oh no they were on the [TS]

01:56:16   wheel is not helping me but anyway I've [TS]

01:56:20   never I've never even driven one that [TS]

01:56:22   had it on the column yeah so using my [TS]

01:56:24   audio controls I think I would find it [TS]

01:56:26   more convenient for them to turn with [TS]

01:56:28   the wheel because where are my hands [TS]

01:56:29   they're usually like I'm not you know [TS]

01:56:31   it's good that the ones that are on the [TS]

01:56:33   column never move but it's bad that my [TS]

01:56:35   hands might be far away from it if I'm [TS]

01:56:37   in the middle of a turn and holding on [TS]

01:56:38   for dear life but I confess that I have [TS]

01:56:40   no actual experience in this situation [TS]

01:56:42   closest I have is taking a a you know [TS]

01:56:46   suburban street turn a little bit too [TS]

01:56:47   fast while I'm trying to skip a track [TS]

01:56:49   and in that case I like the fact that [TS]

01:56:51   it's PI my hand but changing audio is [TS]

01:56:53   not it's not the same as shifting gear [TS]

01:56:57   so what is your experience with have you [TS]

01:57:00   used both kinds Casey well yeah so to [TS]

01:57:03   back up a half step today my car my 335 [TS]

01:57:07   went in for service I asked for a state [TS]

01:57:10   inspection which is required by law in [TS]

01:57:12   the state of Virginia to be 16 dollars [TS]

01:57:14   the bill is about 1,600 the reason being [TS]

01:57:16   apparently my rear tires were on the way [TS]

01:57:19   or indicators to the point that they [TS]

01:57:20   would not do a safety inspection they [TS]

01:57:23   would not past the safety inspection and [TS]

01:57:24   then they said oh the Front's are bad [TS]

01:57:25   enough that you should probably do the [TS]

01:57:26   same thing so $1,600 later I now have [TS]

01:57:29   new tires or will have new tires but the [TS]

01:57:32   problem I have is every time I bring my [TS]

01:57:33   car into the shop as you guys know [TS]

01:57:35   better than anyone it's usually there [TS]

01:57:36   for at least an overnight as it turns [TS]

01:57:38   out it has been if not a week or more so [TS]

01:57:41   I asked for a loaner when I booked this [TS]

01:57:44   appointment like two or three weeks ago [TS]

01:57:46   and then the the Julia showed up and I [TS]

01:57:49   thought oh maybe I should just tell them [TS]

01:57:50   you know don't give me a loaner because [TS]

01:57:51   I have this car but then I thought no if [TS]

01:57:54   I do that then it will need a full like [TS]

01:57:56   coolant system replacement or water pump [TS]

01:57:58   or something like that so I better just [TS]

01:58:00   have both of them so right now in my [TS]

01:58:02   driveway there is one car that we own [TS]

01:58:04   and two cars that are borrowed and the [TS]

01:58:08   in the borrowed car like I said is a 330 [TS]

01:58:10   GT which is the neutered version of [TS]

01:58:13   Tiff's car the rear visibility out of [TS]

01:58:15   that by the way is comically bad but [TS]

01:58:17   anyway the the the 3/4 I keep saying 340 [TS]

01:58:21   the 330 has steering wheel-mounted [TS]

01:58:24   paddles and I think I vastly prefer that [TS]

01:58:29   because I've been driving the Alfa [TS]

01:58:31   predominantly in manual mode and it will [TS]

01:58:34   aggressively try to avoid shifting by [TS]

01:58:37   like presumably shutting down cylinders [TS]

01:58:39   are killing the fuel into the engine [TS]

01:58:41   rather than shifting so so so there have [TS]

01:58:48   been a couple times where I've been [TS]

01:58:49   turning the Alfa and wanted to grab the [TS]

01:58:51   the up shift paddle and it's not where I [TS]

01:58:54   expect it to be because it's hanging out [TS]

01:58:55   at the steering column and I meant like [TS]

01:58:57   my hands are at like 12 and 6 o'clock [TS]

01:59:00   and even though these paddles are [TS]

01:59:03   friggin enormous which I do like they're [TS]

01:59:06   not where I expect them to be and I [TS]

01:59:07   don't prefer it so in my brief [TS]

01:59:09   experience with paddle shifted cars I [TS]

01:59:11   think I preferred on the wheel which is [TS]

01:59:14   weird because almost everyone I ever [TS]

01:59:16   like almost every YouTube video I ever [TS]

01:59:18   see seems to think that on the on the [TS]

01:59:21   column is the better way to do it I [TS]

01:59:22   think the people who like it on the [TS]

01:59:24   column is based on racing and I bet you [TS]

01:59:28   steer differently and racing first of [TS]

01:59:30   all is you know it's not it's not the [TS]

01:59:31   same as going on a certain street where [TS]

01:59:33   you might cross your hands over each [TS]

01:59:34   other I imagine maybe the racing [TS]

01:59:35   technique is not to do as much like to [TS]

01:59:38   do more of passing the wheel through [TS]

01:59:40   your hands instead of going into these [TS]

01:59:42   crazy positions where your arms are [TS]

01:59:43   practically crossing over each other but [TS]

01:59:44   that's just a guess because that's the [TS]

01:59:45   scenario where you would want it on the [TS]

01:59:47   I mean I'm just think of like f1 [TS]

01:59:49   cockpits where you have to take the [TS]

01:59:50   steering wheel off to even get in the [TS]

01:59:51   stupid thing you don't you don't have a [TS]

01:59:53   lot of room to be like turning your [TS]

01:59:55   hands over each other and you even if [TS]

01:59:57   you're making sharp turns and the [TS]

01:59:58   steering ratios are you know [TS]

01:59:58   steering ratios are you know [TS]

02:00:00   not the same as in regular cars so maybe [TS]

02:00:02   in that situation although they don't [TS]

02:00:03   have paddle shifters on the f1 cars [TS]

02:00:05   anyways I don't know I don't know what [TS]

02:00:06   I'm talking about but I can see the [TS]

02:00:07   argument boat I can see the argument [TS]

02:00:09   both ways based on how you drive what is [TS]

02:00:11   your driving technique life with the [TS]

02:00:13   giant steering wheel on residential [TS]

02:00:15   roads in a regular person sedan on the [TS]

02:00:19   wheel probably seems like it's better [TS]

02:00:21   but for the people who are raving it [TS]

02:00:22   could be just the situation of like if [TS]

02:00:24   they're on a race track that's why [TS]

02:00:26   Ferraris have them you know that there [TS]

02:00:28   are advantages in that scenario so maybe [TS]

02:00:30   if you had well let's say but when you [TS]

02:00:32   did the BAM get BMW drivers cool did all [TS]

02:00:34   the BMWs or do you stick shifts or were [TS]

02:00:37   you paddle no they they had one series [TS]

02:00:40   M's not too long before we were there [TS]

02:00:42   but they said they were constantly [TS]

02:00:43   blowing clutches because nobody knew how [TS]

02:00:45   to drive them and so they abandoned [TS]

02:00:47   those and everything was DCT when we [TS]

02:00:49   were there and so those were all [TS]

02:00:50   steering wheel-mounted yeah I don't [TS]

02:00:53   think he's ever made a car that wasn't [TS]

02:00:55   that like if it has paddles I think [TS]

02:00:57   there on the wheel the only thing that's [TS]

02:00:59   a bummer about these humongous paddles [TS]

02:01:01   though is that they're exactly where I'm [TS]

02:01:03   used to having a turn signal every time [TS]

02:01:06   I go to use my turn signal I hit the [TS]

02:01:07   damn downshift paddle or almost hit the [TS]

02:01:10   downshift paddle but yeah this df8 speed [TS]

02:01:13   man it is a great transmission and my [TS]

02:01:15   buddy Brian who had the r32 he had an [TS]

02:01:19   e36 m3 he had the 335 he has only [TS]

02:01:22   recommended to me that I buy my 335 he [TS]

02:01:25   now has a 6-speed x5 which turns out is [TS]

02:01:28   the thing and I believe I've spoken to [TS]

02:01:30   you too about it and I've driven it and [TS]

02:01:31   it is completely wrong in every measure [TS]

02:01:33   but it is phenomenally cool well anyway [TS]

02:01:37   he had been telling me for years that [TS]

02:01:38   the ZF 8-speed is actually really good [TS]

02:01:39   and I kept telling him he was out of a [TS]

02:01:41   stay in mind and it's DCT or 6-speed or [TS]

02:01:43   get out I still think I'd prefer DCT but [TS]

02:01:46   I think if I had put mmm if Marko or [TS]

02:01:51   myself had ended up in this car and not [TS]

02:01:53   known if it was a DCT or a slush box I'm [TS]

02:01:55   not sure either of us could tell the [TS]

02:01:57   difference it is really that good it is [TS]

02:01:59   phenomenally good and the car is just [TS]

02:02:03   tremendous so much of the switchgear [TS]

02:02:04   feels like BMW it does get silly things [TS]

02:02:07   wrong as an example [TS]

02:02:09   BMW turn signals are very peculiar but I [TS]

02:02:12   love them and [TS]

02:02:13   way it works is they always end up in [TS]

02:02:15   the center so even if you have the turn [TS]

02:02:16   signal constantly going for an hour the [TS]

02:02:19   stalk will be in the center so what you [TS]

02:02:22   can do is if you want to cancel a turn [TS]

02:02:24   signal you can either hit it in the same [TS]

02:02:25   direction it was going before or you can [TS]

02:02:27   even go in the opposite direction just a [TS]

02:02:29   smidge and either way it will cancel [TS]

02:02:31   like a pending turn signal in the Alpha [TS]

02:02:33   what I'm used to doing is I'll turn on a [TS]

02:02:36   turn signal and if for some reason I [TS]

02:02:37   want it to turn back off I will just hit [TS]

02:02:39   it in the same direction again so if I [TS]

02:02:40   hit the left signal then I'll hit it [TS]

02:02:42   again to cancel it and in the alpha the [TS]

02:02:45   only way to cancel just to go the [TS]

02:02:46   opposite direction which is this little [TS]

02:02:48   quirky thing but it drives me bananas [TS]

02:02:50   the other quirky thing is it is it is [TS]

02:02:53   really good Bluetooth support everything [TS]

02:02:55   seems fine with that except every time [TS]

02:02:57   you get in the car you need to reach in [TS]

02:03:01   and if you go to your phone as the media [TS]

02:03:04   input you need to tell it to reconnect [TS]

02:03:06   to the phone for media it's already [TS]

02:03:08   connected for telephone but it's not [TS]

02:03:10   connected for media and it's instant [TS]

02:03:12   when it does it cuz it's already [TS]

02:03:13   connected via the phone but you have to [TS]

02:03:15   tell it yes I would like to listen to my [TS]

02:03:17   phone please enter media mode on my [TS]

02:03:19   phone it's so annoying that's pretty but [TS]

02:03:22   yeah but it works great in the in the [TS]

02:03:24   display is pretty high-res the back up [TS]

02:03:26   camera is comically not but the the [TS]

02:03:28   display is pretty high rayet res it [TS]

02:03:29   blends into the dashboard much better [TS]

02:03:31   than any BMW does with like those like [TS]

02:03:33   Tiff's car where it's just like a screen [TS]

02:03:35   hanging out of the dashboard out of out [TS]

02:03:36   υ