The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► so John I'm curious do you realize how [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► much of a Boston accent you have I do [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► not have a Boston accent you don't even [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► know what a Boston accent is even watch [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► too many too many of the the stupids of [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► what's-his-name Matt Damon's friend Ben [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► Affleck yeah I know what a Boston accent [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► is and I know you don't have a standard [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► one but you do have some of one and I [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► don't think I don't think you know this [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► I don't I know during this podcast I [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► misspoke and said some word that sounded [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► like it has a Boston accent because I [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► like bailed in the middle of a word and [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► changed to a different thing and it [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► ended up coming out I recognized that I [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► did that in this episode yeah that was [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► not me doing a Boston accent that was me [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► totally miss speaking and like trying to [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► rope it back in the middle of a word in [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► this weird sound coming out do not say [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► that word that way I heard myself do it [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► too but no I have a New York accent for [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► as far as I have any accent it's why [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► people complain about I say Mario that's [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► not a Boston thing [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► look you live there you can't you can't [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► deny that it's going to have an effect [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► on you oh it doesn't I'm not one of [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► those people I'm not one of those people [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► who picks up the accents from my [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► surrounding all my kids speak [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► differently than me you know you don't [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► pick it up like a hundred percent but [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► like you definitely have some slight [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► boston influence in your speak I don't [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► think I do at all zero so wrong zero [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► amount like some sort of weird access [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► issue of the past two days trying to get [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► to daring fireball like it's not a DNS [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► thing because I think it's going past [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► the DNS stage but it's just taking [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► forever to load like I started to load a [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► page before I picked up your call it's [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► still loading the the progress bar [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► throws a white screen in Safari is it [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► possible that's because your computer is [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► slower than like my phone from last year [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► that's not that hey I can't love a [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► demanding site there in firewall with [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► all its widgets and geegaws it's a word [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► that I'm very sure geg aw I think it was [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► officially removed from the dictionary [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► 30 years ago a showy thing especially [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► one that is useless or worthless and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► also it's usually GE WG aw googa googa [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► thought I said [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► I think he said giggle oh you're right I [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► did all right well then maybe giggle [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► isn't a word no is it an alternate [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► spelling yeah I think so cuz I looked up [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► geegaw and ended up with goo gah [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► yeah oh no I well I guess it's just an [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► autocorrect thing because it's usually [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► goo God's apparently digitally plural [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► wow this is already taking a turn for [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► the unexpected it's important to get the [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► leap is right merriam-webster has it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► it's a less common variant of Google I [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► don't wanna do this first I'm gonna [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► follow up because I really don't wanna [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► hear any more whining about the new [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► MacBook Pros gentlemen it'll be quick [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► it's a quickie [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it's quickie okay it's yeah I'm sure [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► that once you bring up a complaint about [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► the MacBook Pro it's totally going to be [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► a 30-second endeavour ball I I wanted to [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► put the dues quick in there I guarantee [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► that it won't be great I'm already [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► punchy you having a holiday party no I'm [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► not be that's the problem especially [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► given this first item the follow-up I [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► need a holiday party until the laptops [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► are fixed we're gonna keep talking about [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► them hey you know what they're not all [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► they're not all bad anyway the 60% of [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► them don't have keyboard failures [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► apparently are fine yeah but they were [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► all bad I don't know that reference John [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► don't care I'm already punchy so let's [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► just get it out of the way we're [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► starting with follow up ladies and [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► gentlemen and apparently John said his [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► complaint about a 2016 or 17 MacBook Pro [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► will be and I'm quoting very quick I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► guarantee it [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► so look at the timer look at the elapsed [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► time let's go buckle up kids what's [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► going on John I've got one of these at [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► work remember so I use it every day so I [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► have in case you have complaints anyway [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► I noticed this today I very rarely do [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► anything with my laptop or work except [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► keep it closed and plug it in to other [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► devices but I was in a lot of meetings [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► today and I had two laptop open and the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► lighting was just right and it occurred [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► to me that still in 2017 Apple's making [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► keyboards where the keys touch the [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► screen when you close it and that's been [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► true for years and years and years and [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► years has it ever not been true is Apple [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► ever made a keyboard where the keys [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► don't touch the screen well guess what [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► finger greases on the keys and now [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► finger grease is on my keyboard in the [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► shape on my screen in the shape of my [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► keyboard in the long list of things that [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► we want Apple to correct I believe that [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► it is possible for Apple to make a [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► computer [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► laptop computer when you close it the [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► grease from your fingers on the keys [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► does not come off onto the screen and [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► you don't get a greasy outline of all [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the keys in the keyboard and screen I [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► believe that's possible we have very low [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► profile keys they're all about thinness [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► that's it [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► well I think they did I don't I don't [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► know if they still do on my original [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► PowerBook g4 the aluminum PowerBook g4 [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► that was my first Mac that like I I had [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► heard about this problem about like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► because and back then like when you had [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► the matte screen it was a lot easier for [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► a permanent imprint to develop because [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► you couldn't really wipe off that that [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► the screen coating very very much like [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► to clean it and I had heard about this [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and so I decided as a policy that I [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► would carry the laptop in the backpack [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► such that the screen lid was not facing [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► my back it was facing the other way [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► carrying it this way every day to and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► from work and everything I never had [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that problem my that that computer never [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► developed the imprint of the keyboard on [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► the screen and my theory was that in a [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► perfect layout of the laptop back on a [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► desk the screen and keyboard don't [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► actually touch but if there's any flex [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► that's squeezing the laptop a little bit [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► from from the sides like in a bag any [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► flex is enough to push the screen [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► against the keyboard inside there [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► because it's such a tiny little gap and [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► I imagine over time that gap has only [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► gotten smaller so it's possible that in [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► while sitting on a desk it doesn't press [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► against it but that if you have it in a [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► bag or in a certain kind of stand that [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► stands it upright like anything that [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► would possibly apply pressure to the [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► outside of it like books next to in a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► bag that might compress it just enough [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► to make that contact happen yeah I'm [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► sure that's what's happening but I'm [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► saying you know we got the butterfly [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► keyboard how many years ago Casey we can [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► make a keyboard that like collapses into [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the case and gets out of flex distance I [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► don't know I'm just saying it's it's an [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► area of potential improvement not just [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► for this laptop but you know we do have [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► very low profile keys I figured like [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► you'd use that gap should be getting [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► bigger and not smaller because nobody [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► likes greasy keys on that screen no no [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you're asking them to make even lower [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► profile keys please for the love of God [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► do not solve this problem in this way [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► the whole be just move the whole [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► keyboard down you can make high keys but [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► then have them sink into the keyboard [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► magically I don't know no one's use [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► laptops they're bad [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► not bad oh my god the butterfly keyboard [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► was 1995 I'll put links in the show [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► notes I actually noticed it was either [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► today or yesterday that are my beloved [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► MacBook adorable which I wouldn't change [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► in any way don't tell them anyway I [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► noticed that I noticed that on that that [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► machine I generally hold it I don't know [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► by maybe the hinge or I don't even [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► remember and it's not sitting next to me [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► so I can't like demonstrate to myself [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► but I was holding it in such a way that [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► I felt like it was giving a little bit [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► and I think I was putting a little bit [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► of pressure toward the center of the [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► screen which is not something I normally [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► do I don't like to mess with the LCD but [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► it just so happened that I gripped it in [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► such a way that I noticed that this the [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► the if I put pressure on the center of [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► the LCD but roughly where the Apple logo [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► is while it's closed I can feel it like [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► give enough to come into contact with [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the bottom part of the case [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► so it's just like you're describing John [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► where the clearly the screen is now [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► impacting the keys and I don't recall [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► ever having a laptop that did that and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► I'm probably wrong and I bet all of them [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► do it but it was a very uncomfortable [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► very unnerving feeling that I did not [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► like and that that happened to me in the [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► last 24 hours [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► I will also note to go back a step to [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► Marco strategies to avoid keyboard [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► grease I knew for a long time several [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► super nerds that used to keep I don't [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► even think they still come in them in [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► the Mac books or MacBook Pros anymore [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► but it used to be when you got an Apple [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► laptop you know where this is going [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► right so they used to have this sheet of [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► like not foam but like some sort of foam [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► like material that would be between the [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► display and the keyboard and I knew a [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► lot of people that would carry that with [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► them and then put it in their device [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► before they close the lid in order to [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► prevent any sort of scraping against the [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► screen and I always thought that was [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► crazy until one day I noticed an outline [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► if a keyboard on my screen and thought [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► well okay that's a little bit weird but [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► maybe not so crazy after all no and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► people still do that and they were even [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► there were a third party like cloths [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► that would fit it perfectly also that [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► people would do that that's that was a [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► pretty widespread thing for a while and [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► I think it is still done by about the [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► same number of people that that ever did [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► it but to me that always felt to fit [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► it's like John having [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► phone in a pouch that has DSi take it [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► out of this pouch before he uses it like [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► that's like a step too far for me and [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► with the laptop that's like you know [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► that'd having like a piece of cloth that [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► I stick between the laptop keyboard and [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► lid when I close it and have to open it [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► up and take it off every time like that [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► that's like too fiddly for me like I [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► would rather have the imprint of the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► keyboard that has to do that every [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► single time all I hear is that you're [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► too jealous of my incredibly clean phone [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► but this brings actual solution to this [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► problem and the grand tradition of [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► steganography [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► if they just made their screens touch [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► screens then the giant amount of finger [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► grease randomly placed all over the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► screen would mask the shape of the [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► keyboard which would still be there [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► hidden in the information but you [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► wouldn't be able to see it especially if [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► they coated it with whatever's coding [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► the 10.5 inch iPad pro screen which is [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► so like this is the most fingerprinting [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► iOS device I think I've ever had I heard [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► they had to change the coding for the [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► Apple pencil like to make that work well [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► and not wear it weirdly but whatever [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► whatever is different the 9.7 didn't see [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► in this bad [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► the 10.5 iPad pro is it just is a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► constant wall of fingerprints it is [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► hideous I wish I knew any way to prevent [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► that besides using gloves or using one [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► of John's pouches stop touching your [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► screen mind control or keyboard [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► shortcuts yeah oh speaking of speaking [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► of phone cases I do have some follow-up [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► you are still case ulis but I am no [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► longer caseless oh yeah yeah so as [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► winter is setting in here in the East [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► Coast in these places that have winter [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► I'm like you Casey [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► cold dry hands that I'm that I'm getting [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► on some at some of these days made me [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► feel a lot less secure about carrying [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 caseless first I tried [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► there there's a there's a vendor that I [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► will put in these show notes whose name [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► I have forgotten again I keep kept [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► reading this name that it's basically I [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► think it's this one guy in Brooklyn who [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► laser cuts leather stick on backing it's [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► like from real pieces of leather they're [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► really nice and they're only 25 bucks so [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► like it's not it's not like a crazy [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► crazy thing and and I have one on my [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► iPhone 4 and I moved it to the iPhone 4s [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► at that because having like a flat piece [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► of leather on the back of the phone only [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► does not cover the sides that has a [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► cutout for the camera that's it but it's [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► just like leather with a hole for the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► camera no logos not just blank leather [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► and it's high-quality so it feels really [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► soft and nice having that on the back of [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► the iPhone 4 with it with the glass back [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► felt awesome [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► it was fantastic I was so glad to happen [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► I figured I would let me try that again [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► for the iPhone 10 and I use it for a few [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► days and if it does indeed feel good [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► most of the time but the iPhone 10 [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► because it doesn't have straight sides [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► and and the four also had like a little [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► tiny like rubber gasket lip that ran [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► around the glass on the back so it kind [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► of provided like a little wall to to [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► like keep the border of whatever [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► stick-on thing you had in the back there [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► like clean and contained the new phones [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► don't have it there they're so curvy and [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► rounded on the sides that any kind of [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► stick-on thing that only covers the back [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► if it has any thickness at all like if [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► it's not if it's more than just like a [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► vinyl sticker kind of thing if it has [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► any thickness at all it kind of has to [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► create its own edge and that edge guy [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► couldn't like peeled up as I would just [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► handle the phone like it just clearly [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► this is not really made for this anymore [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► and and so as much as I love the feel of [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► that I decided like I need something [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► else that provides grip when to the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► Apple store and felt all the cases and [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► actually like they prompted the Apple [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► Store it used to be impossible to try [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► out a case in the Apple store then the [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► stores had these like some sort of have [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► like these tables in the middle [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► somewhere where they would have like a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► little box or rack full of cases that [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► you could try on like with an employee's [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► help and now they just have like the key [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► like they have an example case on the [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► little post but the other cases are like [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► that the boxes for the cases are hanging [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► on and you can just pick it up and stick [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► it on the phone that you have in your [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► pocket you can even put in your pocket [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► nobody arrest you and then you can go [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► put it back and decide whether to buy it [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► or not and so you can actually try out [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► all the cases on your phone in your hand [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► and in your pocket to see how they all [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► feel which is really nice I got to give [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► him credit for that anyway I tried the [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► the silicone case because that provides [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► the best grip of all the cases but when [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► it goes in and out of [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► pocket I have a serious problem with the [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► amount of friction that it has there I [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► may eventually go to that anyway but I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► I'm hoping I don't have to I tried the [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► black leather case first I tried the red [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► leather case I tried like colors and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► everything the color seemed way too [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► aggressive to me because they come up [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► around the edge and so you're like [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► you're not just seeing the color on the [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► back of your phone you're seeing the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► color framing everything on your phone [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► all the time and that to me it just [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► looked maybe this was I had just done it [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► for the first time but it looked a [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► little garish I didn't want like this [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► bright red you know 3/4 of a rectangle [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► around my content all the time so I went [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► with just the Apple black leather case [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► the same one I used for the sixth and 6s [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► it's fine [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► I'm not incredibly happy with it I gotta [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► say just because it still has the same [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► problem of like it collects dust around [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► the rim between it and the phone on the [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► front it does cover up a lot of what [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► makes this phone attractive at like you [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► know case design wise it does smooth out [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► the camera bump completely which is very [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► nice because the iPhone 10 has a very [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► prominent camera bump even more so than [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► the previous phones and it really stands [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► up far off a desk and makes it hard to [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► lie flat so as so the Apple other case [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► does fix that but ultimately the one [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► thing I'm kind of dissatisfaction [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► I like I know Casey you didn't did you [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► ever use yours caseless I have very very [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► very very briefly but I am way too [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► scared especially since I didn't pony up [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► for Apple care this time I am way too [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► scared to do it with any sort of [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► regularity and so it is almost [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► exclusively lived in the way in in the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► in the weather case in the leather case [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► and so I do quite like the leather case [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► I've used leather cases on and off for [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► most of my history with iPhones [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► I feel like this one I am particularly I [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► don't know if I'm looking for what word [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► I'm looking for frustrated annoyed [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► displeased but one of those negative [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► adjectives because I feel like I'm [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► getting way more pocket-lint around the [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► sides and I've ever had before that's [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► probably me being completely bananas but [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► it just seems that way and I think [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► because the phone is a little bit [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► thicker to begin with then [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► seven which in and of itself fine but [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► then add to your point the leather case [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► on top of that which is not thin and by [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► comparison to the seven which I've been [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► handling you know once or twice a week [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► for various reasons trying to get like [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► old date off my phone or whatever it [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► feels way thicker than my seven does and [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► if you recall my seven I did not use a [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► case on for the first time in forever [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► because I did get AppleCare and ended up [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► breaking the screen and this Apple Care [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► or not this one I I just don't trust [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► myself because I I think I will break it [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► without question so that is many words [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► to say I have the leather case I have [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► often used the leather case and I feel [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► like it's the best option I've seen but [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► I don't really love it yeah I was [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► thinking about trying out like one of [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► those D brand skins that mkbhd likes a [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► lot I had one of those on my try one of [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► those on my six and my six plus back [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► when I was experimenting with those and [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► they were they were decent they were [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► they're especially good a values but [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► they're really cheap it was like twelve [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► bucks for the whole phone or something [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► like that it's it's a very good price [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► very good value but I don't think they [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► look particularly good I think they look [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► a little bit cheesy and tacky and the [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the main problem I have is it just [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► didn't provide that much more grip than [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► just the bear phone so I think what I'm [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► probably gonna do is use the leather [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► case on and off like when it's cold and [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► my hands are all dry and slippery but [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► then most of the time when I don't need [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► it for that reason just use it bare [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► again because it's so much more pleasant [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► using it without a case it definitely is [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► and remind me you do or do not have [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► Apple care on that I do not oh you are a [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► brave soul no I mean and look I admit [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► it's a risk but it's also $200 plus the [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► fee to replace it if I drop it plus [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► there's a limit on how many times you [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► can drop it and it's like okay let me [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► see if I ever actually drop it and if I [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► start dropping it so much that I think [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► an extra two hundred dollars a year is a [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► good deal then I will change my policy [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► but again right now like because I've [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► never dropped and broken a phone so far [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► it's not a good policy for me yeah I [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► don't know I mean really the only clear [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► obvious answer [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► - just put it in a little baggie every [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► time you every time you're done using I [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► mean why else why would you do anything [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► else it's the only logical screen clean [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► oh my god I don't have to worry about [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► scratching on stuff in my pockets or [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► it's only when I'm outside the house [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► it'sa me like that the screen would even [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► layer the little pouch that John has to [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► drop his phone in and out of that to me [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► would increase the risk of dropping it [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► because that's one more thing that you [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► have to put it into and and you what if [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► you slightly miss the edge of the pouch [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► and it falls off like yeah or I've never [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► dropped my phone but if you are prone to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► dropping this probably increases your [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► chances of dropping right and more [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► opportunity to miss something right and [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► on the way out - it's like here's one [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► more thing you have to take the phone [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► out of maybe if you reach into your [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► pocket you pull it out and maybe you [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► forget that it's in there and it [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► accidentally slips at the bottom of the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► pouch like there's so many conditions [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► where I think that's actually increasing [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► your risk of damage it probably is but [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► like I said it hasn't happened to me or [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► when I'm clumsily trying to get it off [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► of like my nightstand it's not in a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► passion that's totally just because I'm [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► not awake or it's dark or I'm being [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► careless that's the main place my phone [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► falls is off of my nightstand onto the [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► rug or hardwood floor next to it so we [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► we were ostensibly doing follow-up at [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► some point right [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► yeah we got derailed with with Marcos [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► case blows I think we were always [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► ostensibly doing filed follow-up in the [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► line my MacBook Pro I think you're right [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► are we ever really not in follow-up oh [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► my word all right so who added this [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► glove thing I did because it remember we [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► talked about the the Kickstarter for [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► those like touch ID fingerprint stick [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► who knows that that's even a thing well [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► we got a report that it actually is a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► thing of course in Japan you can buy [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► them for $7 what do you mean of course [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► in Japan what's the old 80s or 90s [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► stereotype that Japan is living like 20 [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► years in our future and everything is [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► awesome there which is not actually true [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► but it's the old the old saw from back [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► when I was a kid when Japan was gonna [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► take over the world because they could [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► make better cars than us all right good [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► save still can not California Oh God [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► you're the worst oh wait is this episode [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► 250 yeah it is Hey oh this is our 250th [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► spectacular yeah do it happy whatever [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► this is [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► was it we're doing a show oh this is the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► most ATP a moment of any ATP moment [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► where is it we're lucky we remembered it [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► like not not too far into the show you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► know I totally I was not pretending that [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I remember that you did mention it like [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► a week or two ago but I would not have [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► thought I mean Marco should think of as [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► he sees the episode numbers when he does [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► like the like writes out the files and [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► stuff well and I thought about it [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► earlier this evening when I recorded the [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► ads but because I put them in a folder [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► called ATP 250 it's this week and then I [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► promptly forgot we respond to this week [TS]

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00:21:09 ◼   ► medium and large for longer stays all [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the way suitcases are made with high [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► quality German polycarbonate that's very [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► lightweight and very strong while [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► offering a much lower price compared to [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► traditional brands by cutting out retail [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► and selling directly to you they have [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► all sorts of convenient features like [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► for spinning wheels instead of two a [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► patent-pending compression system on the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► inside to help you pack a lot of stuff [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► in there if you need to removable and [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► washable laundry bag a TSA approved [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► combination lock and one of the coolest [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► features is in their carry-ons they have [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► built-in USB batteries so you can [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► actually charge your phone while you're [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► waiting in an airport for your flight [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► and it's wonderful because you never [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► have to arrive with empty phone it's [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► it's one of those convenient little [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► features that you wonder like how did [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► anybody ever not have this in a suitcase [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► it's pretty awesome and of course all [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► this is backed by their lifetime [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► warranty if anything ever breaks they [TS]

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00:21:59 ◼   ► you can see for yourself with a hundred [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► day trial you can actually bind away [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► suitcase travel with it actually travel [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► with it for up to a hundred days and at [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► the end if you decide it's not right for [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► you you can return it for a full refund [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► with no questions asked [TS]

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00:22:23 ◼   ► everyone on your list this holiday [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► season or if you can't make up your mind [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► for somebody you can give them an away [TS]

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00:22:34 ◼   ► during checkout for a $20 off off your [TS]

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00:22:41 ◼   ► out for $20 off a suitcase thank you so [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► much to a way for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► Aaron Lonard writes I agree with most of [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► your points Oh God on the 2016 MacBook [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► Pro 15 inch but we'll make one point of [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► exception I would not want to live [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► without touch ID that was introduced on [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► this model I'm a consultant and have to [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► use one password constantly how I [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► remember those days throughout the day [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► to access client systems I have some RSI [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► issues from time to time and typing and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► using a finger print versus constantly [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► typing to have my very long and complex [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► master password it is life-changing to [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► my workflow and efficiency the one [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► feature offset this one feature offsets [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► much of the criticism that I share [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► regarding the other issues I think that [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► makes sense I've never used a computer [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► with touch ID if you recall the most [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► modern laptop I have is my macbook [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► adorable the one I use for work is that [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► piece of garbage that's some like [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► popular Apple blogger recommended [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► recently that's like 13 years old [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► oh is Mark oh that's right so anyway so [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► I have a 2015 [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► he's 2015 MacBook Pro I have only ever [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► used touch bars for like 30 seconds at a [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► time in the Apple Store I don't know [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► what this amazing future is where you [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► can use touch ID but it sounds pretty [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► good but you know what sounds are even [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► better face ID I want that in my life [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► that's exactly why I put this in here is [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► like yes touch ID is great but really [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► what you really want his face ID because [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► then you don't even have to put your [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► finger up and your face is always right [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► there in view of the camera and touch ID [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► and laptops will be so much better our [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► face ID and laptops will be so much [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► better than touch ID and that's [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► something that has touch ID you know [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► obviously I don't use in clamshell most [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► of the time but even when it's not in [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► clamshell like when I'm carrying around [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► for meeting stuff to unlock it because [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► you know I like all work laptops it [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► locks instantly if you like glance away [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► from it for two seconds [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► it is and I don't know if this is the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► fault idea I don't think this is the [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► fault of Judge Atia I think it's the [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► fault of all the evil software the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► enterprises make you put on your [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► computer to make them crappier but you [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► open that thing up and I put my finger [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► on that touchpad and it's like a long [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► time before that computer does anything [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► why probably has something to do with [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Active Directory or Wi-Fi certificates [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► or God knows what it's doing but all I [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► know is it's not reading my fingerprint [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► and unlocking in the computer same thing [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► when I disconnected and connected from I [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► really awesome [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► super duper Thunderbolt Doc thingy that [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► lets me have one cable that plugs in to [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► power this whole thing of peripherals [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► that's great part that's not great as I [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► plug or unplug that cable I might as [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► well go for a drink while my computer [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► does sometimes I get a beach ball [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► sometimes they don't get a beach ball [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► sometimes it remembers my clicks and [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► replays them a minute later sometimes it [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► doesn't remember my click and replay [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► them later it just seemed like your it [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► just like it says to me you're not gonna [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► use me for a while cuz I'm doing [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► something and I and maybe it's wrong for [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► me to always blame Active Directory but [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► I do pretty much always playing that [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► Active Directory is I don't [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► I was not formally on the Active [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► Directory network with my old computer [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► and now I am and everything is worse one [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► thing I've family probably is not gonna [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► be helping your issues here [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► unfortunately but when I first got my [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► wonderful but used 2015 it would [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► occasionally fail to wake up from sleep [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► and I thought this was a high sierra bug [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► but it turns out that it's just a [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► 15-inch MacBook Pro 2015 bug that seemed [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► to exist before high sierra and it has [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► to do apparently with power nap if you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► disable power nap it completely stops [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► like the this problem just goes away [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► completely I also noticed sometimes that [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► wet like it would it would seem to be [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► running and warm while in my bag [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► charging so very obviously like a power [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► nap related problem but I also as part [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► of the attempts to diagnose this problem [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► disable hibernation because what what [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► any what every MacBook Pro does since [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► the 2012 model is the the 2000 of retina [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► model not the 2012 not retina because [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► back then when they introduced a radical [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► new design they [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► also updated the previous design with [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► the new components anyway since the 2012 [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► retina MacBook Pro and forward one of [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the reasons why they now get such better [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► standby battery life is that after a few [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► hours of not being woken up if they're [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► not plugged in they go into full [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► hibernation which PC users have been [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► familiar with for a long time which [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► basically means they write the contents [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► of RAM to a file on disk and fully [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► turnoff then when you boot it up it has [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► to like kind of wake up from that deep [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► hibernation by reading that hyper file [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► and back into RAM and that's why it [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► takes a little bit longer you might see [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► a little bit different progress bar when [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► it boots up this is slow and crappy and [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► if you are leaving your computer [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► unplugged from battery for two weeks [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it's very helpful but if you plug it in [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► like every day and you're leaving it [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► closed for a few hours then this is very [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► annoying and so I disabled that and by [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► the way once you disable that you can [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► also delete the hibernation file which [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► can get you back in disc space the [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► amount of RAM you have which is nice [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► look up on every Mac forum since 2012 on [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► how to do this since I disabled both [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► power nap for the weird bugs and the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► hibernation with whatever like the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► pseudo PM set command us to do it it [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► wakes up way faster from sleep like [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► because what you're describing John that [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► happens that's happened for to every [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► MacBook Pro for quite a while I did [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► notice during you know in my time using [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the touch bar versions that was always [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► way worse on the touch bars so whatever [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► it's doing waking up from sleep or [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► hibernation or whatever it whatever it [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► is something seems to be extra long or [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► delayed or blocking or waiting for [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► something on touch bar models that was [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► worse when they first came out [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► subsequent software improvements have [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► dropped that delay somewhat but they [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► still do it are you are you on icy air [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► yet people just know what subsequent [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► flyby oh okay I guess it's only bezels [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► subsequent whatever yeah I know it's so [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► ya know I don't think I don't think it's [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► hibernation or power nap although I like [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► I routinely do you say below as well for [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► usually for this space reason it's like [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► I've been doing that ever since you know [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► ever since the RAM got so big that it [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► started to eat a chunk eight but I come [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► to think about maybe I didn't do that on [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► my work back but I'm sure it's not [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► hibernating like this is me like I close [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► it and then 30 seconds later I open it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► like it hasn't gone into hibernation at [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► that point right and it's not like this [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► screen is inert when it's coming out of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► hibernation [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► some things work and sometimes I think [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► can bring an application to the front [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► like before the beach ball appears but [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► then eventually it stops responding [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► power nap I haven't looked into is again [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► like you know power nap should only [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► happen like Oh your computer's been [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► asleep for a while now it's going to [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► check email or some crap or do local [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► Time Machine snapshots and I'd haven't [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► disabled that and I'm sure my computer [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► is doing that if it would ever go to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► sleep I think I have it set never to [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► sleep because it's plugged in and [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► battery power but maybe there's some [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► other weird interaction where a power [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► nap is enabled at all it does some weird [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► thing you just wake it up so I'll try [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► both those things to get back to you but [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► I don't like having to do this voodoo I [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► like to just open the computer up and I [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► mean the screen turns on immediately and [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it seems you know it seems like it's [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► ready to go in terms of like the mouse [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► cursor moves I could just it's it's like [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► golf is a good walk spoiled like laptops [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► are a good computer spoiled like just [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► desktops they work fine you walk up to [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► them you wiggle the mouse you hit the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► keyboard like you're there you just go [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► and like computer like yes I'm here use [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► me net ops like I don't know I don't [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► know about that and that's what makes [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► such I'd be worse is because your [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► fingers there's like kind of left my [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► finger should when should I put my [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► finger down should I wait for the little [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► animation on the touch bar saying touch [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► ID here has it already authenticated me [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► and I was waiting if that's often the [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► case [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► sometimes it's already authenticated I [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► give up I take my finger off and I'm [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► like come on computer what are you doing [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► and then it unlocks like based on a [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► finger that was laid on there like 15 [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► seconds ago I don't like laptops you [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► know you're right the Menai am in a car [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► it'll pay in the passenger seat and I [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► need to do a little bit of work I like [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► bringing my iMac and my inverter you [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► have nothing to be ashamed of nothing to [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► apologize for side blew it oh my god [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► when I'm on an airplane you know what [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the best way to use a computer on an [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► airplane is 27-inch iMac hell yeah [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► that's where I like to use my desktops [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► what I'm learning over over time as I [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► get old and and more like John is that [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► like I would rather just not use a [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► computer in a car and just wait till I [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► get back to my listeners I uh I hope [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► somebody out there is face I literally [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► just face bombed I hope somebody else [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► out there is facepalming as bad as I am [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► because you guys man [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► the combined age of the to you is [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► approximately 134 years old [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► actually the real answer I mean the [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► thing that both DeMarco I think everyone [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► agree on iOS devices like so they you [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► don't have problems and iOS devices [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► imagine if you took out your iOS device [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► at like your iPad hit the power switch [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► and had to wait the amount of time I [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► have to wait to use my laptop it would [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► be like is this thing broken right [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► instantly like face ID touch ID it's [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► like ready to go instantly immediately [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► none of this whole like let me wake up [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► and do whatever I'm doing and put a [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► beach ball there's no place to put the [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► beach planner but like if an iOS device [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► does that it seems broken and you know [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► it made more sense like well iOS devices [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► you can only run one application at a [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► time and they're highly optimized but at [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► this point iOS devices have faster CPUs [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► than Mac's are doing our multitasking or [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► doing they're still RAM starved but [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► they're they're full-fledged machines [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► and it's just something something in the [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► the remember when there was an effort a [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► while back to I don't know [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► if this was a public marketing effort or [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► just something that people would say [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► behind closed doors or whatever that [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► trying to make the Mac experience like [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► the iOS experience like when you just [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► open it up and it's ready to go on stage [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► wasn't it didn't Steve Jobs said at one [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► point like the MacBook Air is like no it [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► was base it was it was a story that had [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► gotten at Apple that apparently Steve [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► there was a famous meeting where Steve [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► walked in and dropped a macbook air on [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► the table and draw it in the head like [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► and I met an iPad and turned the iPad on [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► from sleep and just her comes on and [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► he's let's demand Piquet or like why [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► can't this do that something like that [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► there you go yeah so who knows it was [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► really not but but anyway that I I [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► endorsed that idea the iOS devices feel [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► so much better because there's so much [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► crap that is just unacceptable on an iOS [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► device and on the Mac we're still [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► suffering under the burden of you know [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► this older behavior that did I guess [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► laptop users just live with and just [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► think it's the price of using a laptop I [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► don't like it well I mean you know the [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► the the job that a laptop has to do is [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► way more complicated like a lot of that [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► like waking up from sleep delay as stuff [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► like checking USB peripherals and you [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► know stuff like that that I hadn't have [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► to worry about but a lot of it is just [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► like stuff they could get rid of it they [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► if they really tried but you know the [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► Mac is not in a position where it's [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► getting a lot of effort for the most [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► part it seems I thought that Mac's [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► hibernated every time they went to sleep [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► they just kept the memory powered on [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► until that until the battery had dropped [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► or was that a dangerous level or [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► something like that I thought they [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► always wrote the contents of RAM to disk [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► every single time I don't know that's [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► not true [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► again I've routinely disabled it um the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► laptops that are in my house just to [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► save the disk space but if that's an [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► also benefit I'll look into it I'll make [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► sure it's off on my work loan and see [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► how goes last bit of follow up dan leer [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► writes in this is with regard to our [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► Thanksgiving list from last episode [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► nobody's thankful for the switch I'm [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► surprised the switch didn't make [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► anyone's list despite how much time [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► you've talked about Zelda Mario Kart [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► start a valley and playing with friends [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and family etc for me it was both an [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► omission by accident and somewhat [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► deliberately I still do use my switch [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► from time to time I still well so some I [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► think John put this in the show notes [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► and he cut the key piece that which was [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► I believe Dan had said basically is this [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► because it was a fad or because you just [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► don't or you just didn't think of it and [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► for me it's kind of both right like I [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► didn't think of it at the time but even [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► if I had I don't know that I would have [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► said it because I don't use my switch [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► near as much as I did when I first got [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► it and I do still like it and I'm glad I [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► spent the money on it but it's very rare [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► I find myself picking that up in the [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► evenings but I've also been just super [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► super busy for quite a long time now but [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► you know when my my family gets together [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► like well really Aaron's family a couple [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► of my in-laws have have switches and so [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► we've been you know generally speaking [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► bringing them with us when we have a [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► family function and we'll play like a [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► couple rounds of Mario Kart or something [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► like that so I am thankful for it I [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► definitely like it but that is what is [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► the top for etiquette that's my number 5 [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► or tied for number 4 or is this my like [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► my seventh place tie for number one I'm [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► only your 17 honorable mentions that's [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► what it is yeah it's one of my 17 [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► honorable mentions that's right but what [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► about the two of you guys I mean for me [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► I I should have put the switch on my [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► list and I I simply forgot about it [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► while making that list which is funny [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► because I played it like an hour before [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► and played it again the next day so yeah [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► the switch has been fantastic for me and [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► you know as the audience knows I am not [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► much of a gamer at all most of the time [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► I usually into like [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► game a year maybe I'll be into it for [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► like a week or two and I'll stop and [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► then that'll be it [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► and because TIFF my wife is a gamer she [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► we we usually have all or some of the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► current generation game consoles in the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► house ready to go and I just I hardly [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► ever touch them because I just don't [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► care that much the switch has changed [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that it's really good and I mean you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► know this isn't about a console this is [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► about the games and just you know [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► Nintendo was in such a bad place with [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► the Wii U they were in such a rush to [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► get this out that they didn't have time [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► to mess it up with getting too far up [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► their own butts about what they were [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► gonna do about some gimmicky hardware [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► thing they just made really great games [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► for a really convenient system and [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► there's no other gimmicks about it it's [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► great it's just so great and in [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► particular like you know TIFF and Adam [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► really enjoyed zelda together [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► I really enjoyed Mario Kart and Sonic [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► mania [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► we all have been really enjoying stardew [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► valley it and there's and there's so [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► many more games like i i've bought games [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► on if i haven't even run yet just [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► because I heard they were so great I [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► bought them thinking I play them and I [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► haven't even had times I haven't been [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► too busy playing all the other great [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► games like there's a surplus of amazing [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► games for it that we haven't even had a [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► chance to play hull of yet that's how [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► many of the great games there are and so [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► to have all this in a you know in a [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► mid-priced system that's very practical [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► to have in your life because it can be [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► both portable and stationary although [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► honestly I don't like the portable [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► version of because the screen is too [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► small and and the controllers are too [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► skinny in and they give my own problems [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► with the portable thing you don't say [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► yeah and the input devices surprise [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► marca the jokes right themselves and [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► also I honestly had an HDMI port I need [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► to start a holiday party [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► but plainly just playing it as a home [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► console for me like it's just it's just [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► great it's such a great system with such [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► great games the switch I am happier with [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► the switch then any video game or video [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► game system [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► at least in the last decade did you like [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► your Sega consoles more um yeah but [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► those were more than you know at my one [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► to say a console my Genesis but that was [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► a long time ago when Genesis was current [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► which was in like 1993 totally no no I'm [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► not trying to mess with you I'm saying [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► you know to the best that you can [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► remember how you felt when you were 11 [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► do you feel like the Genesis provided [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► you more joy than the switch does and [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► obviously that's a tough question [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► because you're a very different person [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► now but if you had to choose only one [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you know in in in their current time so [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► I'm not asking you to choose the Genesis [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► over the switch today you know what what [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► would what do you think you would do I I [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► need another year with the switch to [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► really know it's a little too early so [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► far I think they're probably pretty [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► close to each other and in that way like [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► it's just so damn good and and honestly [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► like I've had an xbox like the first one [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► I was in say an Xbox one but that's [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► something else now so I had the first [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► Xbox which I got pre modded with a mod [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► chip so I could like rib games onto the [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► hard drive and install XBMC which is now [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► Plex that's kind of where it all started [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► and so like you know so I had that I had [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► a Wii the first we not the stupid you [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► sorry Joan I had the ps3 and four and a [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► 360 and I had a lot of fun with some of [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► those but none of them were as good as a [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► switch just you know game library wise [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► so I'm very I'm very much enjoying this [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► and anybody who used to have fun with [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► games but it's maybe fallen out of it [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► like I did give the switch a try it's [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► really fun John I totally forgot about [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► the switch but if I had remembered it I [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► wouldn't have listed the switch for [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► actually for a lot of the same reasons [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► Marko mentioned because I'd never used [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► it in portable what if I can help it [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► because it's not ergonomically just [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► doesn't fit me organ Amma Klee I never [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► take the little joy cones off of it I [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► just leave it on there I only use the [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► pro controller with it I only hook up [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► the TV mmm [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► and in that you know in that way as a [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► console I don't think it's a like it's [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► not it's not my favorite I wouldn't have [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► listed it as a thing that I'm thankful [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► for because I think the pro controller [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► is not a [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► good as the GameCube controller or maybe [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► not even as good as the Wii U pro [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► controller and the fact that it's this [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► weird portable thing that I have to put [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► into a dock and hook up to my TV and it [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► just doesn't you know it's compromised [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► by the fact that it needs to be portable [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► I wish it was more powerful blah blah [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► all my complaints typically intended [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► consoles so if I listed something what I [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► would listed is the games and [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► specifically I would it was Elda which [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► for me is head and shoulders like the [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► other games it great like I love them [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► but Zelda is the most important Nintendo [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► franchise for me and this was a very [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► significant Zelda game breaking with the [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► past and lots of very interesting ways [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and I just thought it was an amazing [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► game probably still not my favorite [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► Zelda blog people ask me that you know [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► as much as I love it and you know does [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► so many things so much better than every [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► other Zelda has ever done them it falls [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► down in a couple areas but that's what I [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► would elicit I will elicit breath of the [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► world as the thing that I should have [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► been thinking more I just they just [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► slipped my mind it's funny to me that [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► you guys are lamenting the portability [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► of it because holy smokes like some of [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► the almost all of the fun I've had with [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► the switch is because I've been in some [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► sort of group setting like some of the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► most fun times I've had with the switch [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► has been the handful times that we [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► played Mario Kart together at work we'd [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► all got to gather around like at a few [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► tables or something and and sit there in [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► play Mario Kart against each other and [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► it's like you know all the all the great [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► parts about a LAN party back in the day [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► where you can shout and yell at your [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► friends and you know in in in call them [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► terrible names and whatnot because [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► they're sitting right next to you and [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► you can do all of that without having to [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► in here I'm telling you how old I am [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► without having to log like a 50 pound [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► CRT no so so I'm not trying to say [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► you're wrong I'm really honestly not I'm [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► just saying I'm surprised that you guys [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► don't really favor the portability at [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► all because that is like I said you [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► about my family and and and certainly it [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► work from time to time daddy and even at [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► WDC I organized on beacon I think it was [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► I organized like a little get-together [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► for playing Mario Kart and to me those [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► are such fun times and they really [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► define the switch to me in a way that [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► no other console I've had has really [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► worked and everyone's allowed their own [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► experience I'm just super surprised I [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► mean I would love the portability to be [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► to work out better and more often for me [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► and I think ease maybe like I'll take it [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► to like you know if I know would be like [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► sitting in a doctor's office waiting [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► room for a little while like I'll take [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► it sometimes but it's just like using [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► the joy cons is just very uncomfortable [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► for me there there clearly made for much [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► smaller hand with it so it's probably [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► made for like children and teenagers to [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► be able to comfortably use and I just I [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► can't like it hurts my hands to use it [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► for more than a few minutes and I also [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► like because I'm also accustomed to [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► playing on a giant nice OLED TV with [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► like you know speakers and everything [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► sitting on the couch with the pro [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► controller the portable experience is [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► like the screen is noticeably crappy or [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► you know I don't get my wonderful oled [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► black levels it's it's a very very small [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► screen for old people like me and John [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► and people with broken eyes like you [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► like it is a it's a really small screen [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► compared to it most modern TVs and so to [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► me like it just doesn't it doesn't work [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► as well in portable mode and I'm like [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► I'm probably the only person in the [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► world like and normally mint endows [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► portable consoles they eventually get [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► like you know mini version they're new [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► versions I'm the only person I think in [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► the world wanting the switch XL to [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► actually basically get really fat like I [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► want like I want to switch that doesn't [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► have detachable controllers that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► basically has controller wings that are [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► approximately the shape of a pro [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► controller and and the whole thing gets [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► bigger to accommodate a screen closer to [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► maybe an iPad Mini size like that's what [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► I would like I don't think they're going [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► to make that because no one else wants [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► that except me and maybe John but [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► ultimately the the portability it just [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► it's too small to be comfortable for me [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► I don't want it to be thicker I want it [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► to be a Gamecube to be a non portable [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► console without a screen on it that's [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► like four times as powerful but again [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► that's not what people want the main [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► appeal the switch to be clear for most [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► people is exactly what you said Casey [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► hey it's the same game portable and on [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► your TV and it works great in both [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► places that is the main appeal but Marco [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► and I just happened to be oddballs both [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► in the camp where we want to play it [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► sitting on our couch [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► that's that and we're happy with it [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► they're like it's not like I have come [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► you know my complaint is it's not [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► powerful enough and it's compromised [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that but I'm you know I enjoy the games [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► like breath of the wild was an amazing [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► game especially given the power of the [TS]

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00:44:53 ◼   ► US and Canada Wi-Fi has always had two [TS]

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00:44:59 ◼   ► like weak zones or dead zones or it [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► doesn't reach the back room and two it's [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► usually really hard to set up especially [TS]

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00:45:13 ◼   ► router [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► it's never gonna cover your entire house [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► perfectly you need multiple access [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► points needs to be broadcasting that [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► signal from multiple different little [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► boxes around your house not just one [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► somewhere like in the basement or in the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► middle somewhere [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► Eero solves that problem perfectly by [TS]

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00:45:29 ◼   ► different models they have the standard [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► ero base station and this is now the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► second-generation one it has a much [TS]

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00:45:37 ◼   ► they also now have these little beacons [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► that you can plug in at different points [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► around the house to help broadcast more [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► Wi-Fi signal that beacons are these [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► little flush things they sit flush [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► against the wall just in an outlet it [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► looks kind of like a big nightlight and [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► in fact they even built in a nightlight [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► just to help you have make it look a [TS]

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00:45:56 ◼   ► longer range better performance so they [TS]

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00:46:00 ◼   ► anything else I've seen and then they [TS]

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00:46:04 ◼   ► better than anything else I've ever seen [TS]

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00:46:07 ◼   ► nerd and you've used multiple access [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► point Wi-Fi systems before like I have [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► you will be shocked how easy [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► Eero is to set up it is really quite [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► something else to see and it's so easy I [TS]

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00:46:30 ◼   ► second-generation hardware the new [TS]

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00:46:54 ◼   ► and conveniently we have a switch [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► related question star susumi writes have [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► you guys played Super Mario artists [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► Odyssey how do you think about it yeah [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► what do you think of it and I have not [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► in that's a no small part because I [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► haven't really touched my switch very [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► much recently [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► but let's start with Marco Marco have [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► you played Super Mario Odyssey not yet [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► I'm still spending all my switch time [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► when starting a valley and behind that I [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► also have like the the Mario Rabbids [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► game and I still have to finish the last [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► few zones of Sonic mania and it's it's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► so many games I can't keep up but I'm [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► also I'm a little bit concerned that it [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► might not like Mario Odyssey because [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► people are saying it's almost like a [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► cross between Mario 64 and Zelda that is [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► not true ok because I I didn't I never [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► liked the way the Mario series went 3d [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► very much like it was really cool at a [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► time like before mario 64 but like i [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► always like the 2d ones a lot better and [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► Zelda's not really my kind of game like [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► the kind of you know big adventure RPG [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► kind of thing so John should I be [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► playing Mario Odyssey if you don't like [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► 3d marios super ioz is a 3d Mario I like [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► 3d Mario so I like Super Mario de si and [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► in the pantheon of 3d marios know where [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► I'd put it like I really like galaxy as [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► well galaxy was very different and had I [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► think more of a twist on the typical [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► Mario formula even if it was more [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► constrained but I like being on little [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► planets and doing stuff and mera I see [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► is a little bit more of return to [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► conventions of well it's just regular 3d [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► Mario with a little bit more open world [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► but Super Mario sea is so unashamedly [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► wacky in some ways I feel like it is [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► it's sillier than I want it to be like I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► take matters more seriously than this [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► game does but in other ways it's [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► highlighted to me exactly how much how [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► much more I like some of the other [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► franchises like Zelda is my number one [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► and I think even Metroid has been [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► elevated to potentially the other [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► franchise that I'm more excited about [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► but as far as Mario games go if you like [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► 3d Mario games you like this for marco [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► maybe something that will keep him [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► interested in as they do [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► have tons of nostalgic pandering to the [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► people who are fans of 2d Mario but I [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► don't if you really don't like 3d Mario [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► I'm not sure that'll be enough to keep [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► you interesting but I would say just [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► like I was like play it like and let you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► know let Adam play it and just watch [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► like it's it's just such a fun game it's [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► it's so unashamed to say there's no [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► rhyme or reason why this is here it's [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► just because it's fun and there's lots [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► of fun things to do and explore and play [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► with and you can kind of go at your own [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► pace and it's very very gentle and it's [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► not particularly punishing except for a [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► couple of checkpoints that are a little [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► farther back than I would want them to [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► be so I say you should definitely get it [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► because I think your family as a whole [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► have fun with it whether you will spend [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► more than a little time with it or not [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► all right [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► MZ writes do you use robotic vacuum [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► cleaners if yes what brands in UK use [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► cases work for you and if not why I have [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► never owned a Roomba or anything like it [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► I would guess that if I were to get one [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► I would get a Roomba because marketing [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► it I've never used one and have never [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► really felt a need for it I have [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► experience with rumbas here and there [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► but not a lot of experience and and none [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► of it that was so compelling that I [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► thought I must have one of these I don't [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► know if they've gotten better [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you know meaningfully since then but the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► limitations they had back then were [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► basically like you know they couldn't [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► they would they wouldn't really get [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► everywhere they wouldn't really be able [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► to go on all surfaces and rugs and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► everything they would occasionally get [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► stuck and complain and some kind of [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► happy song I know at least the newer [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► ones will like go back to their base and [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► charge themselves which is nice but it [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► just seems like a lot of trouble and [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► noise and expense and hassle and one [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► more electronic thing to manage to solve [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► a problem partway and and it's like well [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► you still have to vacuum if it can't do [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► the whole house effectively so I'm not [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► it maybe these things are better than I [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► remember them or maybe they've gotten [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► better but my limited experience with [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► them is not compelling I've never had [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► one and I've never thought about buying [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► one just because it just doesn't seem [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► like it can do the job I mean you could [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► see how big their I'd like these little [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► pucks I've got more crap in my house [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► than fits in there I see how much is [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► clear the clear bagless container of my [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► thing when I actually vacuum you know [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the entire first floor of the house [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► that's not gonna fit in there rumba [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► rumba can't empty itself and so yeah it [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► just seems like it may it looks like a [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► fun novelty and if you have them just [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► sort of let you go longer between [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► actually vacuuming I can see that or if [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► you have a house where you don't have [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► pets that are going to attack it and or [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► feel attacked by it which is another [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► factor and having an autonomous thing [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► wandering around your house but nope [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► never tried I put this question there [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► just because I thought maybe Marco might [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► have it now that he's got all those [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► little like a light switch clappers and [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► all his other home automation stuff but [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► I guess clapper still yeah you're still [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► resisting the robot invasion of our [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► homes all right and finally this is for [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► marco eric new rights what fraction of [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► total audio gets cut by marco for the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► finished podcast so i will say to set [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► you up marco that we record at about [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► nine o'clock in the evening our time and [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► typically and between 11:45 and midnight [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► and and we are recording pretty much [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► that entire time now that may or may not [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► be us acting like we're recording if [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► that makes any sense like we may be kind [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► of a little more casual and not really [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► expect some of that to go in the show [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► but you know I give Marco an mp3 each [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► and every week that's roughly two and a [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► half to three hours long and you know [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the released episodes are anywhere from [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► an hour and a half to like two hours [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► usually yeah it's more like than 1:45 to [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► 2:15 yeah but that's the simple answer [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► so Marco what's the real answer I mean [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► it's you know basically if you figure [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► out from what you said like you know we [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► do usually record for about two and a [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► half hours the finished episode has six [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► minutes of ads plus the theme song which [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► is about a minute long so you figure I [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► have about seven minutes of added [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► content that isn't part of the live [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► recording and a two and a half hour show [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► so that's about two hours and 37 minutes [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► of total content before cutting and then [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► the show is about you know 1:45 to 2:15 [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► so you figure I'm cutting you know maybe [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► 20 minutes now that's not like an even [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► 20 or 30 minutes to throughout the show [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► that I'm cutting it's mostly like [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► cutting the first like two or three [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► minutes of the call where we're just [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► like setting up you know [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► hey John here you know his Casey here [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► what do you know setting up like this [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► crap that nobody ever wants to hear [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► about and then after we have decided [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► we're done recording we're talking about [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► oh let's pick some titles and then maybe [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► tell the live listeners oh oh next week [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► we're gonna you know we're gonna be [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► recording on Tuesday and said Wednesday [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► so like you know bookkeeping at the end [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► of the show or just kind of like you [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► know kind of like casual talking at the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► end but it's not good enough to be in [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► the show that's what most of the cutting [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► actually is is the beginning and the end [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► and don't worry you're not missing much [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► I cut it because it isn't very [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► interesting it's you know the release [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► version of the show contains almost [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► everything that we actually say that is [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► actually part of the the show as we hear [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► it live know almost everything that's in [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► the shows in the show is what he's [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► trying to say yeah and if it's a show [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► where John talks a lot a lot less is cut [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► if it's a show where I talk a lot a lot [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► more is cut man you can always fix it in [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► post right and I do moving on so there's [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► a little bit of a kerfuffle earlier this [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► week we're recording this on Wednesday [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► evening and and there has just been [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► released a patch for a rather unique bug [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► that has sprung up in High Sierra and I [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► never actually tried it but my [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► understanding is if you go into system [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► preferences and I think into security [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► and then you click the lock and hit [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► enter and then enter the username root [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► and an empty password and try that and [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► you know you might have to do this dance [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► a little bit but eventually you will get [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► to the point that suddenly you have set [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► the root password on that High Sierra [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► installed for Macintosh and that is a [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► problem because if you're not familiar [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► root is basically the god account on any [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► UNIX based system and so if you can [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► finagle root access to a computer then a [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► Mac I should say then you basically can [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► do anything you want and this is a bit [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► of an issue and there are a little bit [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► you know I think most people have a [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► little bit of a problem with the way in [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► which it was publicized which was via [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► tweet which is not tear [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► I believe responsible but we don't know [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► what happened before then maybe it was [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► responsibly disclosed somebody then [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► eventually had discovered that about a [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► two weeks ago this was posted in Apple's [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► own developer forums which is kind of [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► amusing and Patrick Warhol has done a [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► deep dive into why they think this [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► happened but that's kind of the setup [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► John I presume you particularly have [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► many thoughts on this so do you want to [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► kind of fill in some of the blanks here [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► by the time you hear this this will have [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► all been solved for everybody because it [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► was about like a day day and a half [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► between when this was a widely [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► publicized on Twitter and when Apple put [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► out the fix for it and not only his [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► Apple put out the fix like if you have [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► high sierra and you go to software [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► update you can get to fix but they will [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► start they say starting later today in [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► their message which means they probably [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► already have done this they're going to [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► forcibly push this fix out to everybody [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► running high sierra like you won't have [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► to run software update you won't have to [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► check for updates you won't have to [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► click a button it will just go out and [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► you don't need to reboot either will [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► just go out onto your computer and [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► that's the mechanism apple's used a [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► couple times in the past i think the [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► only one that i could remember and I [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► think when the dates no if you remember [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► as well is the NTP bug but they're the [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► time server thing they also pushed out [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► but they have it's I'm assuming it's [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► either the same exact or very similar to [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► the mechanism they have for pushing out [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► updates to malware which they also do [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► without you having to do anything behind [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► the scenes without any other updates [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► like they will push the malware updates [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► and I have no idea when those are [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► happening because who would know I guess [TS]