The Accidental Tech Podcast

249: Beehives Full of Bees


00:00:00   I'm fired up tonight in the sense that I [TS]

00:00:03   i love hate my phone and we're gonna [TS]

00:00:06   have to talk about this later there are [TS]

00:00:08   some parts i really really really love [TS]

00:00:10   in some parts that are driving me [TS]

00:00:12   freakin crazy and we should talk about [TS]

00:00:17   that later that that's what the that's [TS]

00:00:19   what we in the business like to call a [TS]

00:00:20   teaser mmm if this stays in the show i [TS]

00:00:23   guarantee someone will write in and say [TS]

00:00:24   so that's actually not a teaser that's [TS]

00:00:30   actually a sting preview the blast [TS]

00:00:35   reference god it's a miracle that anyone [TS]

00:00:38   puts any content on the internet by [TS]

00:00:39   choice ever ever well if we ever want to [TS]

00:00:42   get to that i do want to talk about the [TS]

00:00:45   feedback to my laptop article oh I have [TS]

00:00:48   feedback I would like to file actually [TS]

00:00:49   unfortunately siracusa covered it pretty [TS]

00:00:51   well today no I didn't talk about and I [TS]

00:00:55   purposely didn't try and not to talk [TS]

00:00:57   about your article we have still plenty [TS]

00:00:59   of things to talk about on your article [TS]

00:01:01   with you specifically alright good [TS]

00:01:03   yeah and I have plenty of complaints to [TS]

00:01:05   levy so I would like my chance let's [TS]

00:01:10   start with some follow-up about the [TS]

00:01:11   multitasking Jax gesture on the iPhone [TS]

00:01:13   10 it was funny because as a podcast [TS]

00:01:17   listener I have listened to every Apple [TS]

00:01:21   related tech podcast that I listened to [TS]

00:01:22   yet all of the feedback about the one [TS]

00:01:27   true way to do the multitasking gesture [TS]

00:01:29   the one true way that is flawless and [TS]

00:01:32   will never ever fail it just so happens [TS]

00:01:36   that there are about 75 one true waste [TS]

00:01:39   multitasking gesture on the iPhone 10 [TS]

00:01:42   and I had thought by the time we had [TS]

00:01:44   covered it [TS]

00:01:45   perhaps the internet will have gotten [TS]

00:01:48   this out of their system oh no my [TS]

00:01:51   friends the internet is not done so one [TS]

00:01:54   of you has comically put in the show [TS]

00:01:57   notes and I'm guessing this is John the [TS]

00:01:59   tyranny the tyranny tyranny tyranny the [TS]

00:02:02   the the angst of the pause tyrany the [TS]

00:02:04   digit or an e the tyranny of the pause [TS]

00:02:07   tell us about this yeah this was the [TS]

00:02:11   implied context of all of my calm [TS]

00:02:13   the multitasking gesture last year we [TS]

00:02:16   talked about how I had difficulty doing [TS]

00:02:17   it from the home screen but how was as [TS]

00:02:19   far as I can tell the same gesture is [TS]

00:02:20   elsewhere and why I had difficulty doing [TS]

00:02:22   it the home screen and at one point I [TS]

00:02:24   rattled off a bunch of gestures that I [TS]

00:02:26   had tried things that people had [TS]

00:02:27   suggested and things that work elsewhere [TS]

00:02:29   the implied but not stated part of that [TS]

00:02:33   conversation was that all the things I [TS]

00:02:36   was describing I was doing instead of [TS]

00:02:39   the one where you you drag up and then [TS]

00:02:42   pause for a little bit and then you know [TS]

00:02:44   like like basically what I think of as [TS]

00:02:46   the sort of standard one I think it's [TS]

00:02:48   the one they demoed in the keynote where [TS]

00:02:50   you know pull up from the bottom but [TS]

00:02:52   don't take your finger off the screen [TS]

00:02:53   and then wait a little bit and then the [TS]

00:02:55   multitasking thing comes and and the [TS]

00:02:57   reason that was my implied context is [TS]

00:03:00   because I hate pauses I hate you know [TS]

00:03:04   tap and hold I hate anything where I [TS]

00:03:05   have to do something for a set amount of [TS]

00:03:07   time and there's no way I can speed it [TS]

00:03:08   up that's why I was interested in the [TS]

00:03:10   you know j-turn 45-degree angle swipe [TS]

00:03:13   all sorts of other little things [TS]

00:03:15   so everybody who wrote in to tell us why [TS]

00:03:19   are you doing all these strange gestures [TS]

00:03:21   just pull up from the bottom and then [TS]

00:03:23   wait a second and it will come up I [TS]

00:03:25   definitely knew that I don't want to [TS]

00:03:27   wait the second category of people are [TS]

00:03:31   saying you actually don't have to wait [TS]

00:03:33   if you pull up a precise amount from the [TS]

00:03:35   bottom and immediately remove your [TS]

00:03:36   finger from the screen it will bring up [TS]

00:03:37   the multitasking gesture and I guess [TS]

00:03:41   that gets rid of the weight but I find [TS]

00:03:44   it more difficult to exactly get that [TS]

00:03:46   distance right than I do to do one of [TS]

00:03:49   the j-turn or a 45-degree angle x-ray [TS]

00:03:50   over so anyway so it wasn't clear and [TS]

00:03:52   you didn't know you can pull up from the [TS]

00:03:54   bottom [TS]

00:03:55   pause her on with your finger on the [TS]

00:03:56   screen and the multitasking thing will [TS]

00:03:58   come up and that is probably easier to [TS]

00:04:01   pull off than any of the gestures that I [TS]

00:04:03   was describing and what you don't have [TS]

00:04:04   to do that but you do have to wait and I [TS]

00:04:07   don't like waiting I had no idea it's [TS]

00:04:11   like you grew up in the New York area we [TS]

00:04:14   got a little bit of feedback about the [TS]

00:04:17   refund request for Apple Care Plus I [TS]

00:04:19   could have sworn I had put this in the [TS]

00:04:21   show notes but I was wrong for that for [TS]

00:04:23   the past episode so will be in the show [TS]

00:04:24   notes for this episode and John him was [TS]

00:04:27   the [TS]

00:04:27   first person I saw to write in with a [TS]

00:04:29   link to K base article hello Stephen [TS]

00:04:31   Hackett we're in its entitled how to [TS]

00:04:34   request a refund for an Apple care plan [TS]

00:04:36   blah blah blah there are a few important [TS]

00:04:38   things to keep in mind when you cancel [TS]

00:04:39   in return now care coverage plan if your [TS]

00:04:40   if you can't see your plan within 30 [TS]

00:04:42   days your purchase date you'll get a [TS]

00:04:43   full refund minus the value of any [TS]

00:04:45   service already performed if you cancel [TS]

00:04:46   your Apple care plan more than 30 days [TS]

00:04:48   after purchase we'll get a refund based [TS]

00:04:49   on the percentage of unexpired Apple [TS]

00:04:51   care coverage minus the value of any [TS]

00:04:53   service already provided and so it's the [TS]

00:04:56   thing which I didn't know and we even [TS]

00:04:58   heard a couple people say that they told [TS]

00:05:00   geniuses or perhaps on geniuses and [TS]

00:05:02   perhaps it was salespeople one way or [TS]

00:05:05   they're not one way or another told [TS]

00:05:07   Apple retail employees that this was the [TS]

00:05:09   thing and they didn't even know it was [TS]

00:05:10   the thing as it turns out so yeah it's a [TS]

00:05:14   thing we'll put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:05:15   alright who is it that put this weird [TS]

00:05:17   Kickstarter that I'd never heard about [TS]

00:05:19   before in the show notes it was me it's [TS]

00:05:22   always me last week about the advantages [TS]

00:05:29   of face idea for touch ID especially if [TS]

00:05:31   you're of things wrong with the tips of [TS]

00:05:32   your fingers or they're dirty you're [TS]

00:05:34   scratched up stuff like that and also if [TS]

00:05:37   you're wearing gloves and I mentioned [TS]

00:05:38   that they had gloves that will let you [TS]

00:05:40   use your touch screen but those gloves [TS]

00:05:41   don't let you activate touch ID well [TS]

00:05:43   someone sent me it's linked to a [TS]

00:05:45   Kickstarter for gloves that let you [TS]

00:05:48   touch your screen you know with with [TS]

00:05:51   gloves on like they work with a [TS]

00:05:52   touchscreen but also they provide not [TS]

00:05:55   your finger prints through the gloves [TS]

00:05:57   like I was suggesting last show like [TS]

00:05:58   there are no gloves it's magically [TS]

00:06:00   surface your finger prints but instead [TS]

00:06:02   give you a bunch of stickers with [TS]

00:06:04   ostensibly unique fingerprints on every [TS]

00:06:07   single sticker they work with touch ID [TS]

00:06:09   so what you do is you'd put on these [TS]

00:06:10   gloves or put on these little stickers [TS]

00:06:12   on your gloves right and each one is [TS]

00:06:14   unique like every single person who gets [TS]

00:06:15   one I guess yeah unique fingerprint [TS]

00:06:17   thing train it on your gloved [TS]

00:06:20   fingerprint thingy and then you can [TS]

00:06:22   unlock your phone and use it with that [TS]

00:06:25   glove of course what that means is that [TS]

00:06:26   if someone's unlock your phone they just [TS]

00:06:27   need to steer your glove instead of [TS]

00:06:28   cutting off your finger [TS]

00:06:29   lifting your prints off a glass of water [TS]

00:06:31   or whatever mission impossible type [TS]

00:06:33   thing they're gonna do but anyway it's a [TS]

00:06:35   Kickstarter all the normal caveat set by [TS]

00:06:36   Kickstarter but [TS]

00:06:38   you know this someone's always got an [TS]

00:06:41   interesting idea and here's another one [TS]

00:06:43   unique fingerprint stickers I had no [TS]

00:06:46   idea this was the thing well it's a [TS]

00:06:48   Kickstarter so is it a thing a few [TS]

00:06:52   shades there well played uh yeah yeah [TS]

00:06:54   alright so apparently we have some [TS]

00:06:57   things to talk about with regard to [TS]

00:06:58   iCloud restores during iPhone 10 setup I [TS]

00:07:01   spoke too soon last week we all spoke [TS]

00:07:03   well maybe you didn't but I did about [TS]

00:07:05   like oh I cloud restored during setup [TS]

00:07:07   it's much faster now everything works [TS]

00:07:09   great that was all true up until the [TS]

00:07:11   point where my wife's phone wanted to [TS]

00:07:15   update to whatever I think it's like the [TS]

00:07:16   the iOS update that gets rid of the [TS]

00:07:18   weird funny character thing you tried to [TS]

00:07:20   have capital I whatever whatever update [TS]

00:07:22   that was and she normally updates her [TS]

00:07:25   phone and eventually tried to do the [TS]

00:07:27   update and it said something to the [TS]

00:07:30   effect of oh yeah no this this OS update [TS]

00:07:33   will run as soon as your iCloud restore [TS]

00:07:34   finishes and it said that for about two [TS]

00:07:37   weeks now and that's bad Oh lovely and [TS]

00:07:40   whatever questions to me it was like can [TS]

00:07:43   I just cancel this iCloud restore and [TS]

00:07:46   it's like oh no like it's another one of [TS]

00:07:49   those iCloud things where reboot your [TS]

00:07:52   phone as far as I'm aware the iCloud [TS]

00:07:55   restore finished the day we set up your [TS]

00:07:59   phone like all the apps are there what [TS]

00:08:01   what remains to be done I don't know [TS]

00:08:04   it's not like I have some view into the [TS]

00:08:06   system that tells me what the iCloud [TS]

00:08:08   restore process is doing so I find this [TS]

00:08:10   mildly upsetting and I don't as yet have [TS]

00:08:12   a solution I assume what I'm just gonna [TS]

00:08:14   do is Google the error message because [TS]

00:08:15   that's the level of debugging we're at [TS]

00:08:17   in the iOS world these days especially [TS]

00:08:18   as it relates to iCloud things so you [TS]

00:08:20   can find how many other people have this [TS]

00:08:22   problem but in the end yeah it's like [TS]

00:08:24   reboot the phone step zero and see if [TS]

00:08:26   that magically changes something we got [TS]

00:08:30   some bad news from Apple and I'm quoting [TS]

00:08:33   now we can't wait for people to [TS]

00:08:36   experience home pod apples break through [TS]

00:08:38   wireless speaker for the home but we [TS]

00:08:39   need a little more time before it's [TS]

00:08:41   ready for our customers we'll start [TS]

00:08:42   shipping in the US UK and Australia in [TS]

00:08:45   early 2018 this was not given directly [TS]

00:08:47   to ATP but it was given to a couple of [TS]

00:08:49   news sites or bloggers or what-have-you [TS]

00:08:52   the home pot is indeed delayed so I [TS]

00:08:53   guess next week or perhaps later this [TS]

00:08:56   week we'll hear the same for the iMac [TS]

00:08:59   Pro because what we're both promised [TS]

00:09:01   this year is that right yeah but my pro [TS]

00:09:03   is gonna make it is it because like five [TS]

00:09:07   people will buy them and it doesn't [TS]

00:09:08   really matter and it will probably make [TS]

00:09:09   it I mean technically the 2013 Mac Pro [TS]

00:09:12   was available in December 2013 but if [TS]

00:09:16   you actually wanted to try to order one [TS]

00:09:17   you weren't gonna get until February [TS]

00:09:20   so the iMac Pro might follow a similar [TS]

00:09:22   path I I don't really know if anything [TS]

00:09:26   in particular is holding up yeah my pro [TS]

00:09:28   they have their reasons but I'm sure [TS]

00:09:30   they have nothing to do with whatever's [TS]

00:09:31   holding back the home pod the home pod [TS]

00:09:33   seems like it's just very like it seemed [TS]

00:09:37   like it was in such an early state when [TS]

00:09:39   they announced it last June that it's [TS]

00:09:42   slipping a few months now is not that [TS]

00:09:45   big of a surprise and it's all new you [TS]

00:09:48   know all new hardware more importantly [TS]

00:09:50   probably all new software relying on [TS]

00:09:52   they're fairly shaky service back-end [TS]

00:09:56   for Siri so lots of possible things [TS]

00:10:00   could have gone wrong here or could have [TS]

00:10:02   missed deadlines here to make that get [TS]

00:10:05   delayed by a few months so this is not [TS]

00:10:07   at all a surprise and and I hope you [TS]

00:10:11   know from what we've seen from the home [TS]

00:10:12   pod so far which is admittedly very very [TS]

00:10:14   little it sure doesn't seem like it's [TS]

00:10:17   that competitive with the other products [TS]

00:10:19   in that market so maybe they're making a [TS]

00:10:22   little bit better that that's kind of my [TS]

00:10:23   hope here is like maybe this will be a [TS]

00:10:25   little bit more competitive against the [TS]

00:10:27   echo line of products especially and [TS]

00:10:29   then also against things like Sonos and [TS]

00:10:30   Google whatever yeah maybe it will be [TS]

00:10:34   done is more like what I think this is [TS]

00:10:35   getting they showed the hardware but [TS]

00:10:38   they had so little of the software done [TS]

00:10:40   that all they would let people do with [TS]

00:10:41   it is play music but this is ostensibly [TS]

00:10:44   something you can talk to and they were [TS]

00:10:46   demonstrating none of that which makes [TS]

00:10:48   me think that the hardware is was at [TS]

00:10:50   that time much farther along than the [TS]

00:10:52   software and software is much harder to [TS]

00:10:55   predict when it will be done and I feel [TS]

00:10:56   like it's not done and that's why it's [TS]

00:10:58   delayed and as I said on upgrade today [TS]

00:11:02   with Jason when they announced that the [TS]

00:11:04   home pod would be yeah [TS]

00:11:06   really send me I'm a crow for that [TS]

00:11:07   matter in December it like they announce [TS]

00:11:09   that it's so in September when they had [TS]

00:11:11   the iPhone offenders that was it in June [TS]

00:11:14   I heard June when everyone's went anyway [TS]

00:11:15   when they announced the announced [TS]

00:11:16   December then right yeah in June during [TS]

00:11:19   the WC keynote is the only time you've [TS]

00:11:21   ever heard about the home pod and then [TS]

00:11:22   they said December yes oh wow [TS]

00:11:27   anyway right soon as soon as they [TS]

00:11:29   announce December they pre announced [TS]

00:11:32   that they would not make the holiday [TS]

00:11:33   season right so now when they're [TS]

00:11:36   delaying it until you know early 2018 is [TS]

00:11:39   not as if suddenly they're missing the [TS]

00:11:40   holiday season they already pre [TS]

00:11:42   announced they were missing the holiday [TS]

00:11:43   season this is not a new change all they [TS]

00:11:45   have done is crusted over the year [TS]

00:11:47   boundary and it's probably because you [TS]

00:11:51   know I think we can make it by the end [TS]

00:11:53   of year that's our stretch goal team and [TS]

00:11:54   they didn't make it so it gets pushed [TS]

00:11:56   out right but but the nice PR side [TS]

00:11:58   effect is if they had announced home pod [TS]

00:12:01   and said this isn't coming till 2018 [TS]

00:12:02   there would be all these groans because [TS]

00:12:04   you cross the year boundary but if you [TS]

00:12:05   say December 31st like oh but you know [TS]

00:12:07   it'll be here in 2017 and that's a [TS]

00:12:09   better PR story and then as December [TS]

00:12:11   approaches and it becomes clear that [TS]

00:12:13   you're not gonna do that and people just [TS]

00:12:14   want to go home and get their vacations [TS]

00:12:15   then they can ounce that had too late so [TS]

00:12:17   I think they were shooting for the end [TS]

00:12:20   of the year and they just didn't make it [TS]

00:12:22   and that's fine don't release a product [TS]

00:12:24   that's not done at no point was this [TS]

00:12:25   going to be a holiday purchase and it's [TS]

00:12:27   still not a holiday purchase so it'll be [TS]

00:12:29   fine so one possibly worrying thing [TS]

00:12:32   about this is that nobody seems that sad [TS]

00:12:35   about this is that a concern well what [TS]

00:12:39   are you gonna be sad about I want that [TS]

00:12:40   amazing demo that they show they didn't [TS]

00:12:42   show demo they showed of playing music [TS]

00:12:43   and it sounded good [TS]

00:12:44   like they we don't even know what to [TS]

00:12:45   expect other than it will play your [TS]

00:12:47   music and some people said it plays [TS]

00:12:49   music nicely and sounds good right there [TS]

00:12:52   is no wow factor to this especially with [TS]

00:12:55   the Sonos announcements right if you [TS]

00:12:58   want a speaker that sounds good that you [TS]

00:12:59   can talk to Sonos tells you that and [TS]

00:13:02   this is just like oh it sounds good and [TS]

00:13:04   you could talk to it and you can talk to [TS]

00:13:06   it and make a play it make it play Apple [TS]

00:13:07   music whereas on this will play Apple [TS]

00:13:09   music but not when you talk to it right [TS]

00:13:10   now like yeah this this is Apple trying [TS]

00:13:14   to enter a market that it's currently [TS]

00:13:16   not in but if they have something [TS]

00:13:19   special [TS]

00:13:20   to to show this market here's Apple's [TS]

00:13:22   entry and this is the special Apple [TS]

00:13:24   magic they haven't shown that yet so [TS]

00:13:26   what is there to really get excited [TS]

00:13:28   about I don't know all I know is I feel [TS]

00:13:32   less and less confident in Siri as time [TS]

00:13:35   goes on and there was actually a really [TS]

00:13:37   really tremendous crossover between [TS]

00:13:38   welcome to Macintosh and 20,000 Hertz [TS]

00:13:41   both of which are phenomenal podcasts [TS]

00:13:43   that you should be listening to and I [TS]

00:13:46   think it was Mark Graham Hill of welcome [TS]

00:13:47   to McIntosh had said he was of the [TS]

00:13:51   opinion that as Siri sounds more in more [TS]

00:13:56   in more lifelike and less robotic we as [TS]

00:14:00   human beings and I think I certainly [TS]

00:14:02   fall into this are less and less and [TS]

00:14:05   less tolerant of it being anything but [TS]

00:14:08   perfect because the voice is getting [TS]

00:14:10   eerily close to to maybe not perfect but [TS]

00:14:14   really good and so you expect the best [TS]

00:14:17   out of this and man III don't know if [TS]

00:14:20   it's me or what I just feel like serious [TS]

00:14:23   been garbage the last few months but you [TS]

00:14:26   know what isn't frustrating kids me [TS]

00:14:27   being vindicated in a boy am i [TS]

00:14:31   vindicated we have some follow-up about [TS]

00:14:33   the great dust-up of November 2017 the [TS]

00:14:37   chili cook-off the chili cook-off if you [TS]

00:14:40   recall I had put an ask ATP question [TS]

00:14:45   into the show notes that John had tried [TS]

00:14:47   to move out of the episode and then [TS]

00:14:50   obnoxiously I'd pretty much forced all [TS]

00:14:52   of us to drag it back in and we quickly [TS]

00:14:55   discovered that John had built himself a [TS]

00:14:57   beautiful mind style conspiracy theory [TS]

00:15:00   as to what the actual intention of this [TS]

00:15:03   questions author was during the [TS]

00:15:05   recording of that episode I tweeted at [TS]

00:15:07   the author whose name is Jonathan [TS]

00:15:09   bowling I said to him was this an honest [TS]

00:15:12   question or were you making an in-joke [TS]

00:15:13   about Jon Merlyn etc to which he replied [TS]

00:15:15   at the time on his question but I was [TS]

00:15:17   betting something pretty funny might [TS]

00:15:18   happen in the answers and I believe we [TS]

00:15:20   brought all this up during the show and [TS]

00:15:21   John said see it's he's thought [TS]

00:15:24   something funny would happen he's [TS]

00:15:25   setting his heart go cut that part out [TS]

00:15:26   of the episode did he fly yes wait did I [TS]

00:15:29   yeah that's why I put it back in this [TS]

00:15:30   one because it was like in the after [TS]

00:15:32   half [TS]

00:15:32   after after show this response did come [TS]

00:15:36   in and so it's honest question but I was [TS]

00:15:37   betting something pretty funny might [TS]

00:15:39   happen and my reading of that question [TS]

00:15:40   was but I was betting something pretty [TS]

00:15:41   funny might happen and Casey's reading [TS]

00:15:44   is there but anyway go ahead so we got [TS]

00:15:46   an email from Jonathan I will not read [TS]

00:15:48   all of it but I will read some of it [TS]

00:15:50   episode 248 chili cook-off turned out to [TS]

00:15:52   be more fun than I could have imagined [TS]

00:15:54   I was just hoping that you would include [TS]

00:15:56   my question so I had no idea that it [TS]

00:15:58   would cause him any siracusa rant TM [TS]

00:15:59   that would backfire and make the [TS]

00:16:01   question stay in the show Thank You [TS]

00:16:03   Casey for defending my good intentions [TS]

00:16:05   I've been a big fan of hypercritical [TS]

00:16:06   build and analyze in a teepee longtime [TS]

00:16:08   listener first-time quote close to the [TS]

00:16:09   medal or quote John suspicions were [TS]

00:16:11   unfounded [TS]

00:16:12   I do enjoy reconcilable differences [TS]

00:16:14   which by the way is a tremendous program [TS]

00:16:15   which he should listen to but I didn't [TS]

00:16:17   have anything from reqtest in mind when [TS]

00:16:19   I asked the question I'd be curious to [TS]

00:16:21   know which episode or episodes he [TS]

00:16:22   thought I was referencing Casey I look [TS]

00:16:24   forward to hearing you point out to John [TS]

00:16:25   that he was wrong in the next episodes [TS]

00:16:27   follow-up copy right John Syracuse of [TS]

00:16:29   2011 I should note that's in the email I [TS]

00:16:31   also look forward to his continued good [TS]

00:16:33   humoured suspicions with a winking emoji [TS]

00:16:35   John would you like to try to defend [TS]

00:16:38   yourself at this time well there's not [TS]

00:16:41   really much to defend here because well [TS]

00:16:44   first of all I would say that my hope [TS]

00:16:46   after last week's episode was that you - [TS]

00:16:49   based on the feedback from everyone else [TS]

00:16:51   would come to a better understanding [TS]

00:16:54   what my objection was because if you [TS]

00:16:57   recall I'm more confused than ever maybe [TS]

00:17:01   I can help you I'm saying what my hope [TS]

00:17:04   was if you recall the idea was there was [TS]

00:17:07   this question in there I moved it down I [TS]

00:17:09   said I don't like this question in case [TS]

00:17:10   he asked me and then he asked me on the [TS]

00:17:12   show why don't you like this question [TS]

00:17:14   and I explained why I don't like this [TS]

00:17:16   question and Casey said that my reasons [TS]

00:17:19   were dumb please tell me why don't you [TS]

00:17:26   like this question I feel like I tried [TS]

00:17:28   my best to explain why I don't like the [TS]

00:17:30   question there's no being right or wrong [TS]

00:17:32   about why I don't like the question but [TS]

00:17:34   obviously you two have not come to a [TS]

00:17:36   deeper understanding why I didn't like [TS]

00:17:39   the question and I don't know why this [TS]

00:17:40   example didn't occur to me but I think I [TS]

00:17:42   have a better example to hopefully bring [TS]

00:17:44   you to that understanding [TS]

00:17:46   if someone had written into the show ask [TS]

00:17:48   ATP say should I buy a white car [TS]

00:17:51   if Casey said I don't like that question [TS]

00:17:54   I would understand why he doesn't like [TS]

00:17:57   that question that's it okay right I [TS]

00:18:01   wouldn't understand now imagine that [TS]

00:18:03   person had never heard the show before [TS]

00:18:05   except like friends said that we talked [TS]

00:18:07   about car sometime and was legitimately [TS]

00:18:09   thinking about buying a white car and [TS]

00:18:10   you know they talk about cars all the [TS]

00:18:12   time and maybe in the F she'll talk [TS]

00:18:14   about white cars maybe I'll just ask [TS]

00:18:15   them should I buy my car because you [TS]

00:18:16   know they're hard to keep clean and so [TS]

00:18:17   on and so forth right still still if you [TS]

00:18:20   said that like that question I would say [TS]

00:18:22   I understand well you don't like that [TS]

00:18:24   question right and if that person wrote [TS]

00:18:26   and said I don't know what this thing [TS]

00:18:27   you're talking about the white cars they [TS]

00:18:28   just for you I heard you guys talk about [TS]

00:18:29   cars sometimes something gonna get in [TS]

00:18:31   one and white is hard to clean the stuff [TS]

00:18:32   set for you you have an opinion even if [TS]

00:18:34   there were 100 percent honest I would [TS]

00:18:36   still understand why you don't like that [TS]

00:18:37   question and it wouldn't say it was [TS]

00:18:38   Syria now imagine further still that [TS]

00:18:41   Marco and I said Casey I don't know what [TS]

00:18:43   you're talking about this person is just [TS]

00:18:44   asking about white cars I have no idea [TS]

00:18:49   because this was like seven years in the [TS]

00:18:52   future and we didn't remember this white [TS]

00:18:53   car gag oh I assure you I will never be [TS]

00:18:57   allowed to forget the white car gag but [TS]

00:18:59   I'm with you to principle I'm with you [TS]

00:19:01   this is the situation I find myself in [TS]

00:19:02   because believe me [TS]

00:19:04   the closer the metal thing was as real [TS]

00:19:05   as the white car as evidenced by all the [TS]

00:19:07   people who wrote in to say that person [TS]

00:19:09   is 100% trolling and John is right I [TS]

00:19:11   mean they don't know what's in this [TS]

00:19:12   person's heart any more than I do right [TS]

00:19:13   but that it is legitimately a thing as [TS]

00:19:16   much a thing as white cars bar and you [TS]

00:19:18   two have no recollection of it and this [TS]

00:19:21   person claims to have no recollection I [TS]

00:19:22   would despite listening all the way back [TS]

00:19:24   to hypercritical which is where this is [TS]

00:19:25   from not reconcilable differences anyway [TS]

00:19:27   all this is to say I hope you now [TS]

00:19:30   understand where I was coming from and I [TS]

00:19:32   hope you can use the white car example [TS]

00:19:34   as instructive to say maybe you wouldn't [TS]

00:19:39   mind that question maybe you a bomb [TS]

00:19:40   saying as if you said you didn't like it [TS]

00:19:42   I would understand why and I think Marco [TS]

00:19:44   would too because we both have the [TS]

00:19:46   shared context without the shared [TS]

00:19:47   context would you seem like a conspiracy [TS]

00:19:50   theory person what is this about white [TS]

00:19:51   cars what are you even talking about [TS]

00:19:53   imagine how frustrating it would be for [TS]

00:19:54   you to explain to me and Marco what the [TS]

00:19:57   deal with the white car thing [TS]

00:20:00   I do think okay I am laughing but I do [TS]

00:20:02   think I understand your point better [TS]

00:20:04   I think the difference for me and we can [TS]

00:20:07   move on but the difference for me is [TS]

00:20:09   that I it the white car thing is is for [TS]

00:20:11   better or worse like the defining gag [TS]

00:20:14   about me it's it's that and who the [TS]

00:20:16   hell's your suppose you'd only have one [TS]

00:20:18   Casey well - but I'm with ya again I'm [TS]

00:20:22   with you what's the second one water on [TS]

00:20:23   the computer no well okay three I said [TS]

00:20:25   who the hell is Casey in the computer [TS]

00:20:27   yeah in the computer if I say I'd [TS]

00:20:29   forgotten about that one you've got to [TS]

00:20:30   explain that context and I would say [TS]

00:20:31   you're crazy everyone knows who you are [TS]

00:20:33   fine [TS]

00:20:38   [Music] [TS]

00:20:46   who the hell is Casey but my point is [TS]

00:20:54   just that there there are a handful of [TS]

00:20:56   things that I feel like all of us upon [TS]

00:21:01   hearing them would say yes of course [TS]

00:21:03   who the hell is Casey I remember and [TS]

00:21:05   this one to my eyes anyway was way more [TS]

00:21:08   esoteric in in Wayne it's an older I [TS]

00:21:11   mean it's older like it was we traced it [TS]

00:21:13   back it was like episode 50 of [TS]

00:21:15   hypercritical that's like six years ago [TS]

00:21:17   so you know me I guess you can forgive [TS]

00:21:19   infer Cleaver getting about it I was [TS]

00:21:20   just very surprised that neither one of [TS]

00:21:22   you could even vaguely remember that it [TS]

00:21:23   was a thing and we're just starting from [TS]

00:21:24   whole cloth as if I was just making this [TS]

00:21:26   up I assure you I am NOT no I never [TS]

00:21:29   really thought you were making it up it [TS]

00:21:30   just seemed it seemed kind of bananas to [TS]

00:21:32   me that you were so unequivocally [TS]

00:21:34   convinced that this was that this was [TS]

00:21:36   trolling I thought you would remember I [TS]

00:21:37   thought I mean obviously it's not as [TS]

00:21:39   recent as a white car but I thought one [TS]

00:21:41   or both of you would certainly remember [TS]

00:21:43   it and either way by the way I will [TS]

00:21:44   point out like at the end of this thing [TS]

00:21:46   I also look forward to John's you know [TS]

00:21:47   continued good-humoured suspicions I [TS]

00:21:49   mean obviously if someone was trolling [TS]

00:21:50   the trolley thing to do is not to tell [TS]

00:21:53   you they're trolling people on the [TS]

00:21:57   internet like it's it's really easy to [TS]

00:21:59   type words into a text box but I'm I'm [TS]

00:22:00   sure this person is being honest and [TS]

00:22:02   like you too has just completely [TS]

00:22:03   forgotten about this from labor critical [TS]

00:22:05   days cuz that was a long time ago [TS]

00:22:06   although to be honest so when did we [TS]

00:22:08   record neutral that would that started [TS]

00:22:10   in January of 13 is that right I think [TS]

00:22:12   that's right yeah that's better so that [TS]

00:22:13   was almost five years ago in [TS]

00:22:17   hypercritical was six or seven years ago [TS]

00:22:19   so I mean the white car thing is far [TS]

00:22:22   closer to hypercritical than it is to us [TS]

00:22:23   today you know what I mean like that's [TS]

00:22:25   which is weird right because I feel like [TS]

00:22:26   that was yesterday in so many ways but [TS]

00:22:29   anyway it was I was I was very punchy [TS]

00:22:32   when we recorded but I was never like [TS]

00:22:34   genuinely upsetting you I just thought [TS]

00:22:35   you were being utterly preposterous I [TS]

00:22:38   wasn't that's what I'm getting at but [TS]

00:22:39   just because you don't have the context [TS]

00:22:41   doesn't mean there isn't a context and [TS]

00:22:42   it's and it's completely irrelevant [TS]

00:22:44   whether he was being honest or not [TS]

00:22:45   that's why I was trying to get with the [TS]

00:22:46   white car think is legit someone could [TS]

00:22:48   listen to the show that's a that's a [TS]

00:22:49   real question the people asked should I [TS]

00:22:50   get a white car I've had that question [TS]

00:22:52   asked to me before I even came in the [TS]

00:22:53   show but it would be a hell of a [TS]

00:22:54   coincidence if they asked that on s KDP [TS]

00:22:56   wouldn't it why would any [TS]

00:22:58   you ask if they want to get a white card [TS]

00:23:00   on yeah exactly why would that matter [TS]

00:23:02   but why would they ask at ATP maybe this [TS]

00:23:04   just of legitimist quite honest question [TS]

00:23:06   but I would understand if Casey if Casey [TS]

00:23:08   gave it a little bit of side-eye and [TS]

00:23:10   maybe said maybe I'm not I mean it seems [TS]

00:23:14   to me that white car has just happened [TS]

00:23:15   to Casey he never has to actually have [TS]

00:23:18   you exactly you've owned like 17 white [TS]

00:23:20   cars have you ever had to ask anybody if [TS]

00:23:22   you should get a white car or not no [TS]

00:23:24   I've never asked anyone if I should it [TS]

00:23:28   doesn't seem like he had a choice right [TS]

00:23:29   yeah one of them one of them was a [TS]

00:23:31   choice I guess fall from from this guy [TS]

00:23:33   into your driveway and then their [TS]

00:23:34   engines break [TS]

00:23:35   can you just dubbing like the first 15 [TS]

00:23:37   minutes of the first neutral where we [TS]

00:23:38   discussed this one of them was [TS]

00:23:40   absolutely unequivocally my choice I [TS]

00:23:42   specifically requested white for one [TS]

00:23:45   every other one happened to me I'm [TS]

00:23:46   sticking with and for the record I'm [TS]

00:23:48   pretty sure Marcos are the only one he [TS]

00:23:51   obviously originated the white car thing [TS]

00:23:53   and I think he's the only one who really [TS]

00:23:54   cares my first car was a white car too [TS]

00:23:56   and I think all I said under trouble is [TS]

00:23:57   that if you have a really nicely shaped [TS]

00:23:59   car then you can get it in a white but [TS]

00:24:00   in your car isn't ugly don't get in a [TS]

00:24:02   white because it highlights how badly [TS]

00:24:03   shaped it is but beyond that I have no [TS]

00:24:05   objections to white cars we are [TS]

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00:25:56   speaking of ask ATP let's just mosey [TS]

00:25:58   right on in Shane booze lo writes do you [TS]

00:26:02   think using chi chargers everywhere and [TS]

00:26:05   topping off the iPhones batteries all [TS]

00:26:08   the time will impact battery health I [TS]

00:26:10   have no idea but I've had the same [TS]

00:26:12   question so I think this is probably [TS]

00:26:16   similar to lots of different like [TS]

00:26:19   battery health questions and theories [TS]

00:26:21   and best practices that we've heard over [TS]

00:26:24   the years with computers there is [TS]

00:26:26   probably some truth to the fact that [TS]

00:26:28   charging lithium batteries all the time [TS]

00:26:30   you know does actually shorten their [TS]

00:26:32   lifespan if they're if they're not kept [TS]

00:26:33   within their ideal long-term charging [TS]

00:26:36   health range which is usually not fully [TS]

00:26:38   charged usually it's closer to like [TS]

00:26:40   middle of the battery charge like if you [TS]

00:26:43   want it looking better to last as long [TS]

00:26:44   as possible keep the source level [TS]

00:26:46   somewhere near the middle or something [TS]

00:26:47   some kind of range near the middle and [TS]

00:26:49   that tends to keep them lasting longer [TS]

00:26:51   the reason I added this and what I [TS]

00:26:53   thought was kind of worth talking about [TS]

00:26:54   is like I feel like with with your phone [TS]

00:26:56   that you're using every day that you are [TS]

00:26:58   charging every night then you are using [TS]

00:27:00   it throughout the day you know you're [TS]

00:27:02   putting like a good part of a full cycle [TS]

00:27:05   on the battery every day sometimes more [TS]

00:27:07   if you use it heavily I feel like your [TS]

00:27:10   battery is not going to be very useful [TS]

00:27:12   for more than about two years maybe [TS]

00:27:16   three years if you if you're more gentle [TS]

00:27:18   on it but like no matter what you do [TS]

00:27:20   this is really hard on a battery to be [TS]

00:27:23   used to be basically cycled a full side [TS]

00:27:26   meaning like you know full charge to [TS]

00:27:27   nearly empty to have to be going through [TS]

00:27:29   flows like almost every day you're gonna [TS]

00:27:32   wear out that battery pretty much no [TS]

00:27:33   matter what you do and so the [TS]

00:27:35   alternative which is you know topping it [TS]

00:27:37   off on these little charges all over [TS]

00:27:39   your house and car and workplace all the [TS]

00:27:40   time I don't think that's that much [TS]

00:27:43   worse you know it might actually be [TS]

00:27:44   better even like what's worse for a [TS]

00:27:47   lithium-ion battery [TS]

00:27:47   keeping it at a full charge for a day or [TS]

00:27:49   going through a full cycle I don't know [TS]

00:27:51   but it's probably not gonna be that [TS]

00:27:54   different either way you're using it [TS]

00:27:56   heavily you know like if you have a [TS]

00:27:57   laptop and you use it on battery for its [TS]

00:28:00   full range every day that's going to do [TS]

00:28:03   the same thing at the laptop if you keep [TS]

00:28:05   it plugged in all the time that's gonna [TS]

00:28:06   be better for it but you know again like [TS]

00:28:08   maybe not that much better because of [TS]

00:28:10   the full charge being bad thing so I [TS]

00:28:13   think the answer here is keeping them [TS]

00:28:16   uncharged all the time will probably [TS]

00:28:17   impact battery health but the [TS]

00:28:20   alternative would probably impact it [TS]

00:28:21   more and in the grand scheme of things [TS]

00:28:24   your phone battery no matter what you do [TS]

00:28:26   is gonna be is gonna have a not that [TS]

00:28:28   useful amount of charge after two or [TS]

00:28:30   three years no matter what you do there [TS]

00:28:32   are other factors here as well that make [TS]

00:28:34   it I don't know what the answer is just [TS]

00:28:36   muddies the water even more of whether [TS]

00:28:38   this is better worse or the same but to [TS]

00:28:41   start like I bet people are not going to [TS]

00:28:43   buy such a tremendous number of t [TS]

00:28:45   chargers that they are now charging [TS]

00:28:47   their phone appreciably more than they [TS]

00:28:50   used to if only because T chargers [TS]

00:28:51   charge your phone so much more slowly [TS]

00:28:53   and one of the things that shortens [TS]

00:28:54   battery life is really fast charging so [TS]

00:28:56   if you have a big iPad charger the at [TS]

00:28:58   your desk that you plug your thing into [TS]

00:28:59   to get as much juice as possible when [TS]

00:29:01   you're at your desk versus putting in on [TS]

00:29:03   a Qi charger the charger is much more [TS]

00:29:04   slowly the slower one is going to be [TS]

00:29:06   kinder on your battery and if you but it [TS]

00:29:09   won't charge as much obviously in the [TS]

00:29:10   same amount of time but if you have a [TS]

00:29:11   bunch of key charges around in the house [TS]

00:29:12   what you're instead doing instead of [TS]

00:29:14   charging very quickly in one location [TS]

00:29:16   you're charging more slowly in multiple [TS]

00:29:17   locations which again I think is better [TS]

00:29:19   for the battery so there's you know [TS]

00:29:21   you'd really need to come up with an [TS]

00:29:23   exact regime of where you're going to be [TS]

00:29:25   and what you're going to charge to [TS]

00:29:27   compare exactly this pattern of use to [TS]

00:29:30   exactly this pattern of use but in [TS]

00:29:32   general I would say don't worry about [TS]

00:29:34   this don't don't worry about the battery [TS]

00:29:36   life being affected because there are [TS]

00:29:37   just so many variables and [TS]

00:29:39   depending on how they're each weighted [TS]

00:29:41   in this giant equation you could get [TS]

00:29:42   better worse of the same battery life [TS]

00:29:44   but like Marco said either way if you [TS]

00:29:47   chart if you use your phone the same [TS]

00:29:49   amount every day that's in the end [TS]

00:29:51   you're using your phone that amount it's [TS]

00:29:53   got two or three years of that many [TS]

00:29:55   cycles even if you don't psyche although [TS]

00:29:57   by two or three years or just that much [TS]

00:29:58   putting energy into the battery and [TS]

00:30:00   taking energy out even if you could [TS]

00:30:01   always do it in the fat part of the [TS]

00:30:02   curve where it's all good [TS]

00:30:03   your battery's gonna be a lot worse than [TS]

00:30:06   it was when you bought it and you're [TS]

00:30:07   probably gonna want a new phone and [TS]

00:30:08   that's just the way things are indeed [TS]

00:30:11   all right JT you would like to know what [TS]

00:30:14   are your thoughts and feelings on Apple [TS]

00:30:15   TV remote redesigned for air power into [TS]

00:30:17   fix other issues you know a lot of [TS]

00:30:20   people have been writing in about what [TS]

00:30:21   about this for air power our air power [TS]

00:30:23   what about that for air power I don't [TS]

00:30:26   get it like I think I said this last [TS]

00:30:28   episode but I will be very surprised if [TS]

00:30:31   anything else gets air power support [TS]

00:30:33   except maybe the pencil anytime soon I [TS]

00:30:36   don't think this is going to be like the [TS]

00:30:37   catch-all you know cover your all of [TS]

00:30:40   your desks and all of your you know uh [TS]

00:30:42   kitchen counters and air power sort of [TS]

00:30:44   thing I think this is only going to be [TS]

00:30:46   for iOS devices and you know the air [TS]

00:30:49   pods and and and I guess watch OS is [TS]

00:30:52   strictly speaking different OS but you [TS]

00:30:53   know what I mean like I don't think it's [TS]

00:30:54   gonna be keyboard and mouse and Apple TV [TS]

00:30:57   remote in any of those send MacBook in [TS]

00:31:00   MacBook yeah exactly and especially like [TS]

00:31:02   the Apple TV remote I've charged that [TS]

00:31:05   thing probably four times or feels like [TS]

00:31:07   I've charged it four times in the year [TS]

00:31:09   I've had it I mean that may not be [TS]

00:31:11   accurate but it just at my point is just [TS]

00:31:12   it almost never needs a charge same with [TS]

00:31:15   my keyboards and my mice mouse's nieces [TS]

00:31:18   they almost never need a charge so what [TS]

00:31:22   are you really solving if it's at worst [TS]

00:31:25   a you know momentary inconvenience if [TS]

00:31:28   you know once a quarter or something [TS]

00:31:30   like that but I don't know what do you [TS]

00:31:31   think Marco I pretty much the same I [TS]

00:31:33   mean I I have not you know we use our [TS]

00:31:35   Apple TV almost every day at least we [TS]

00:31:37   did before he got stuck in stardew [TS]

00:31:39   valley and yeah I think I've charged it [TS]

00:31:42   yeah maybe maybe three times you know [TS]

00:31:45   it's it's not a high drain device so the [TS]

00:31:48   need to make charging especially [TS]

00:31:49   convenient is is not that high [TS]

00:31:52   also that tends to be a different place [TS]

00:31:55   in your house or your office or you [TS]

00:31:57   might have when your office and you tend [TS]

00:31:59   not to travel with it so like if if the [TS]

00:32:01   benefit of an air power mat is like the [TS]

00:32:03   thing that you stick on your nightstand [TS]

00:32:04   table that you put all your stuff on at [TS]

00:32:05   night well you're probably not going to [TS]

00:32:08   have your Apple TV remote you know in [TS]

00:32:09   your in your bedroom if you if your [TS]

00:32:10   Apple TV is not there [TS]

00:32:12   similarly you know if the appeal of this [TS]

00:32:14   thing ends up being those really [TS]

00:32:15   convenient while traveling you're [TS]

00:32:16   probably not going to travel with your [TS]

00:32:17   Apple TV remote either and if you do you [TS]

00:32:19   probably won't need to charge it on the [TS]

00:32:21   trip so you know it's it's a nice theory [TS]

00:32:24   but I don't think it matters that much [TS]

00:32:27   the Apple TV remote has so many other [TS]

00:32:29   problems that they refuse to address so [TS]

00:32:32   if they aren't even gonna bother making [TS]

00:32:33   it usable while it's charged I don't [TS]

00:32:36   think they're gonna care that much that [TS]

00:32:37   it's slightly inconvenient to charge it [TS]

00:32:40   when you do it you know every six months [TS]

00:32:42   I frequently forget that the Apple TV [TS]

00:32:45   remote has a battery and it's not like [TS]

00:32:49   there's a battery door and it like I'm [TS]

00:32:51   not sure if I have ever charged my [TS]

00:32:54   applet I think I replaced my Apple TV [TS]

00:32:56   before I charge the battery on it it [TS]

00:32:58   lasts or I don't use as much as mark [TS]

00:33:00   obviously it lasts a really really long [TS]

00:33:02   time although I have a too quick Apple [TS]

00:33:04   TV remote stories the last time I lost [TS]

00:33:07   it I'm always losing the Apple TV remote [TS]

00:33:09   because it's skinny and it goes down [TS]

00:33:10   couch cushions stuff like that you know [TS]

00:33:13   my kids use it and so it's not like who [TS]

00:33:15   knows but like they carry it into the [TS]

00:33:16   kitchen they you know they it's in the [TS]

00:33:18   bathroom who knows where they're taking [TS]

00:33:20   this road it's just everywhere right and [TS]

00:33:21   there's no as far as I'm aware please [TS]

00:33:23   tell me if I'm wrong there's no like [TS]

00:33:24   fine your remote function where you can [TS]

00:33:25   make it make a beeping sound I would [TS]

00:33:26   love that that they that hence the [TS]

00:33:29   feature they should add but anyway I [TS]

00:33:30   lost my remote and I thought like this [TS]

00:33:34   is it I've well and truly lost it I know [TS]

00:33:36   I was thinking like boy I'm glad they [TS]

00:33:37   reduced the price to $60 down from 80 [TS]

00:33:39   because I'm gonna have to buy another [TS]

00:33:40   remote and even though you got the [TS]

00:33:43   remote on your iOS device where you can [TS]

00:33:44   use that instead of the thing as far as [TS]

00:33:46   I'm aware you can't can you wake your [TS]

00:33:48   thing from sleep with that I don't know [TS]

00:33:50   and I didn't try it but I was like well [TS]

00:33:52   I'd like do I think I can't use my Apple [TS]

00:33:54   TV until I get a replacing remote [TS]

00:33:55   because I don't think you can wake the [TS]

00:33:57   little black cube from sleep without the [TS]

00:34:01   real remote yeah you can if you gotta [TS]

00:34:03   airplay to it I believe it'll wake [TS]

00:34:05   itself up [TS]

00:34:05   yeah that's good yeah I was thinking [TS]

00:34:08   like I would guess the RemoteApp would [TS]

00:34:09   let you do it but I can't I haven't [TS]

00:34:10   tried it so I don't know one way or the [TS]

00:34:11   other but I can tell you I'll L airplay [TS]

00:34:14   to it from time to time and that will [TS]

00:34:15   wake it up right anyway [TS]

00:34:17   I was halfway through that thought when [TS]

00:34:18   I looked up at my little black thing and [TS]

00:34:20   the little white light was on so like [TS]

00:34:23   you know I don't have to wake it up it's [TS]

00:34:25   already awake and I'm like but how can [TS]

00:34:27   it already be awake I've been looking [TS]

00:34:28   for this road for 15 minutes and I know [TS]

00:34:30   it goes to sleep like no one has been in [TS]

00:34:31   his room for a while and based on that [TS]

00:34:34   information I realized I must be sitting [TS]

00:34:36   on the remote somehow and that's what's [TS]

00:34:40   waking up and sure enough I took yet [TS]

00:34:42   another run at the couch cushions and [TS]

00:34:44   the little things that are between them [TS]

00:34:45   it's like a sleeper sofa or whatever and [TS]

00:34:47   eventually I found the remote somewhere [TS]

00:34:49   underneath my butt where I was squishing [TS]

00:34:51   it and turning it on the second story is [TS]

00:34:52   about someone had realized there was a [TS]

00:34:55   bunch of iTunes purchases going through [TS]

00:34:56   where they'd purchased like every [TS]

00:34:57   episode of Seinfeld and a bunch of TV [TS]

00:34:59   series [TS]

00:34:59   I'm a or you know it was like a husband [TS]

00:35:02   and wife and they were asking each other [TS]

00:35:03   did you buy these did you buy these [TS]

00:35:04   things turns out it was the cat the cat [TS]

00:35:06   would lay on top of the remote and buy [TS]

00:35:08   things for them on the turned off [TS]

00:35:10   television through their Apple TV remote [TS]

00:35:11   so I don't know if that makes us a [TS]

00:35:14   better motor a good remote it's bad [TS]

00:35:15   because it's lost easily it's probably [TS]

00:35:19   bad because the cat can buy things but [TS]

00:35:21   maybe not like cats are very devious all [TS]

00:35:27   right [TS]

00:35:27   and Kent eken Gore writes how can a [TS]

00:35:31   polemic ated things with software like [TS]

00:35:34   face detection and they are yet still [TS]

00:35:37   get so many simple things consistently [TS]

00:35:38   wrong like 1 plus 1 or 1 plus 2 plus 3 [TS]

00:35:41   on the iowa's calculator and UI bugs [TS]

00:35:43   related to device orientation such as [TS]

00:35:46   the attached we'll put a link in the [TS]

00:35:47   show notes and it's a picture of what [TS]

00:35:50   appears to be the phone or iPad I think [TS]

00:35:54   phone in portrait mode yet [TS]

00:35:57   the volume indicator is shown in [TS]

00:35:59   landscape whoops with regard to rotation [TS]

00:36:04   I can say that rotations are pain in the [TS]

00:36:07   bud yeah yep any eye any iOS developer [TS]

00:36:10   will tell you that so that I give them a [TS]

00:36:12   buy on although it does seem that there [TS]

00:36:13   are a lot more rotation bugs in iOS 11 [TS]

00:36:16   than there were before there's a lot [TS]

00:36:19   more [TS]

00:36:19   everything bugs every weapon in a while [TS]

00:36:22   but yeah you're right I don't have a [TS]

00:36:26   good answer for this I I guess in to [TS]

00:36:29   some degree it's easy to get amazed by [TS]

00:36:31   the new and shiny and and it's hard to [TS]

00:36:35   it's hard to build software reliably and [TS]

00:36:38   predictably that's why you know agile [TS]

00:36:42   software development became a thing was [TS]

00:36:44   it was an attempt to be better about [TS]

00:36:47   building up be better about predicting [TS]

00:36:49   when software would be complete right [TS]

00:36:51   and in the whole shtick of it was that [TS]

00:36:53   you wanted to be able to predict future [TS]

00:36:56   the future based on your performance in [TS]

00:36:58   the past rather than oh well I should be [TS]

00:37:00   able to get that done in two weeks you [TS]

00:37:02   can look at your past history and say no [TS]

00:37:04   actually that'll take you a month and a [TS]

00:37:05   half and you know it all of the stuff [TS]

00:37:09   around enterprise level software [TS]

00:37:11   development which I know Marco doesn't [TS]

00:37:14   understand but John and I all it's hard [TS]

00:37:17   it's hard work it's hard to figure out [TS]

00:37:20   the balance between how much you know [TS]

00:37:22   how many unit tests you should write in [TS]

00:37:23   how many shouldn't and what your [TS]

00:37:24   continuous integration story is like all [TS]

00:37:26   of the stuff is hard and it's not to [TS]

00:37:29   most people it's not very sexy and so [TS]

00:37:31   what is sexy face detection what is sexy [TS]

00:37:34   augmented reality what's not sexy [TS]

00:37:36   Jenkins oh it's it's understandable if [TS]

00:37:40   not necessarily excusable that this [TS]

00:37:42   would be the case but I don't know John [TS]

00:37:43   as my fellow boring old man when it [TS]

00:37:46   comes to writing software how do you how [TS]

00:37:47   do you describe this I'm not sure you [TS]

00:37:51   need to bring software methodologies and [TS]

00:37:53   software in general entry even if they [TS]

00:37:54   weren't talking about software even if [TS]

00:37:56   this was talking about like you notice [TS]

00:37:57   that dudes car analogies that's the [TS]

00:38:00   other thing we go to like how can they [TS]

00:38:01   get this amazing you know engine new [TS]

00:38:04   engine technology working but their [TS]

00:38:07   climate controls suck and it's you know [TS]

00:38:11   it's just human nature and priorities [TS]

00:38:14   and with anything were you especially in [TS]

00:38:16   a business like Apple's where you're [TS]

00:38:18   it's not that it's a hit driven business [TS]

00:38:20   but that you you're only as good as your [TS]

00:38:22   last success things like the calculator [TS]

00:38:26   the iOS calculator bug where like some [TS]

00:38:28   animations in the calculator caused it [TS]

00:38:30   to be less responsive right [TS]

00:38:32   how many people are scrutinizing how [TS]

00:38:35   good the calculator is from release to [TS]

00:38:36   release it's not a head lighting feature [TS]

00:38:38   there are not a lot of resources put [TS]

00:38:40   towards the calculator when it was first [TS]

00:38:41   made there was probably more than there [TS]

00:38:43   are now [TS]

00:38:44   but there is an inclination in companies [TS]

00:38:46   that have to make money to say we'll put [TS]

00:38:49   time and resources and people into this [TS]

00:38:51   thing because it's the thing that we [TS]

00:38:53   need and then when we're done with it [TS]

00:38:55   we'll be like great we did that what's [TS]

00:38:56   the next thing move on to the next thing [TS]

00:38:58   right and take people off of that and [TS]

00:39:00   say those people are working and you [TS]

00:39:01   have to leave somebody there but this [TS]

00:39:02   some poor maintenance engineer is [TS]

00:39:04   responsible for the calculator and seven [TS]

00:39:05   other like neglected iOS applications [TS]

00:39:08   and you know people are human and you [TS]

00:39:11   don't notice that maybe the animations [TS]

00:39:12   you're adding are making the thing less [TS]

00:39:15   responsive because like you know do you [TS]

00:39:17   have a test where it's something some [TS]

00:39:20   automated thing presses the buttons [TS]

00:39:21   really fast to make sure you know it's [TS]

00:39:22   just it's just less important it's lower [TS]

00:39:24   priority there are fewer people on it [TS]

00:39:26   and that's just the nature of the nature [TS]

00:39:28   of humans the nature of work and the [TS]

00:39:30   nature of a business so many many things [TS]

00:39:33   are explicable by the boring answer that [TS]

00:39:37   you know that that we did that and we [TS]

00:39:41   can't afford to leave our very best [TS]

00:39:44   engineers maintain the calculator for [TS]

00:39:46   the rest of their careers because [TS]

00:39:47   they're not going to like that they're [TS]

00:39:48   going to leave the company and it [TS]

00:39:51   wouldn't be efficient use of our [TS]

00:39:52   resources so we get our best people [TS]

00:39:54   working on the next hard problem and [TS]

00:39:56   everything else gets less priority and [TS]

00:39:58   because humans do humans sometimes those [TS]

00:40:00   things mess up everything after that [TS]

00:40:03   that's like the easy thing to explain [TS]

00:40:04   everything after that like why is iOS [TS]

00:40:05   love and have more bugs does it seem [TS]

00:40:07   like it actually has more bugs is your [TS]

00:40:08   perception different than their metrics [TS]

00:40:09   are they measuring the wrong thing all [TS]

00:40:11   the way down to software is hard and [TS]

00:40:13   software methodologies and all that [TS]

00:40:15   stuff so from the outside it might seem [TS]

00:40:18   inexplicable but as Casey I think was [TS]

00:40:21   trying to express software and any large [TS]

00:40:24   enterprise including making a car or any [TS]

00:40:26   sort of thing is much more complicated [TS]

00:40:27   than you think it is as a consumer of [TS]

00:40:29   that thing and complicated systems are [TS]

00:40:32   hard to predict and hard to manage and [TS]

00:40:35   you know that's it there's no you know [TS]

00:40:38   it's not it's not the apples being mean [TS]

00:40:40   or it's still people who don't know what [TS]

00:40:43   they're doing [TS]

00:40:44   nobody knows what they're doing there [TS]

00:40:45   there are no adults there is no silver [TS]

00:40:47   bullet [TS]

00:40:47   yada yada Apple has for a very long time [TS]

00:40:51   shown that they are not very good at [TS]

00:40:54   multitasking and that whatever is the [TS]

00:40:56   current hotness gets all the attention [TS]

00:40:59   and whatever isn't gets either complete [TS]

00:41:02   neglect or at best like drive-by updates [TS]

00:41:06   O'Hare they like you know like like Disk [TS]

00:41:09   Utility on Mac OS is like a great [TS]

00:41:11   example of it where like you know the [TS]

00:41:13   met the entire Mac is pretty neglected [TS]

00:41:16   much of the time and when things do get [TS]

00:41:18   updated on the Mac they tend to get [TS]

00:41:20   updated in these drive-by fashions where [TS]

00:41:22   like someone seems to be assigned like [TS]

00:41:25   hey wait [TS]

00:41:26   rewrite this whole thing this app that [TS]

00:41:27   nobody would really need to be rewritten [TS]

00:41:28   rewrite at all and then they're given [TS]

00:41:30   enough time to rush together an almost [TS]

00:41:32   complete version and then it ships and [TS]

00:41:35   then it seems like no one's allowed to [TS]

00:41:37   fix any bugs in it ever again or they're [TS]

00:41:39   not on the project anymore or they don't [TS]

00:41:41   have time or they're assigned to other [TS]

00:41:43   things and have moved on and so things [TS]

00:41:45   get updated or created from scratch on [TS]

00:41:48   these low in these low priority areas [TS]

00:41:50   and then whatever is released as like [TS]

00:41:53   1.0 which was probably rushed to meet a [TS]

00:41:55   very tight deadline those bugs basically [TS]

00:41:59   stick around for a very long time or [TS]

00:42:00   forever anything that is not the current [TS]

00:42:02   hotness that tends to be the case of [TS]

00:42:04   Apple as John said there are lots of [TS]

00:42:07   good reasons for that involving money [TS]

00:42:08   and priorities I think Apple standards [TS]

00:42:12   should be higher you know Apple [TS]

00:42:14   standards are higher than average in [TS]

00:42:15   most other ways I think their standards [TS]

00:42:18   for how to deal with they're not as [TS]

00:42:20   quite high priority products should be [TS]

00:42:22   also similarly high but they're not and [TS]

00:42:26   that's not a new thing even you know [TS]

00:42:28   even that that isn't even Tim Cook thing [TS]

00:42:30   like even under Steve that was always [TS]

00:42:32   the case we're like whatever was was not [TS]

00:42:34   the current hotness got pretty badly [TS]

00:42:36   neglected and there's also a secondary [TS]

00:42:41   divide here where Apple's frameworks [TS]

00:42:44   have almost always been really really [TS]

00:42:47   good like in in the entire era of modern [TS]

00:42:50   Apple I don't know what it was like [TS]

00:42:51   before you know before I was tanner like [TS]

00:42:53   in the entire era of modern Apple the [TS]

00:42:56   frameworks have always been amazing [TS]

00:42:58   you know things like you know the AR kit [TS]

00:43:00   you know things like court makes core [TS]

00:43:02   audio the foundation like all that stuff [TS]

00:43:03   they make amazing frameworks and that [TS]

00:43:06   stuff has been solid pretty much you [TS]

00:43:09   know the vast majority of the time and [TS]

00:43:11   very advanced the applications on that [TS]

00:43:14   they that Apple ships at the OS and the [TS]

00:43:15   built and the table on top of that on [TS]

00:43:16   top of this frameworks have had a much [TS]

00:43:18   spottier past and a much spotty record [TS]

00:43:21   the applications definitely seem like a [TS]

00:43:23   lower priority for them then that also [TS]

00:43:26   seems like an area where in recent years [TS]

00:43:28   applications have struggled way more [TS]

00:43:30   than the foundation stuff so it might [TS]

00:43:34   just be Apple is not has not figure out [TS]

00:43:37   how to manage this well it certainly is [TS]

00:43:39   certainly that that's what the results [TS]

00:43:40   seem to indicate but it's like that for [TS]

00:43:43   everybody like you there is no you can't [TS]

00:43:45   just say oh let's keep all the best [TS]

00:43:47   people working on the things that they [TS]

00:43:48   originally create because they don't [TS]

00:43:49   want doing that and now it's a retention [TS]

00:43:50   issue like they don't want to work [TS]

00:43:52   forever on this one thing they helped [TS]

00:43:54   create they want to move on to the next [TS]

00:43:55   thing because they're smart ambitious [TS]

00:43:57   people and if you don't let them you [TS]

00:44:00   know then you'll have a retention [TS]

00:44:02   problem in if you even if you you know [TS]

00:44:05   it's a hyper competitive world where [TS]

00:44:07   everyone is scrutinizing what Apple does [TS]

00:44:09   so closely that if they actually did [TS]

00:44:11   leave significant sort of standing [TS]

00:44:14   armies attached to everything they ever [TS]

00:44:15   made to make sure the thing that [TS]

00:44:17   everything they make is continuously [TS]

00:44:19   improved and maintained [TS]

00:44:21   that's an inefficient use of resources [TS]

00:44:23   with like why are you spending all this [TS]

00:44:24   money why are your margins going down oh [TS]

00:44:26   we needed to leave a team of seven on [TS]

00:44:28   the calculator forever and multiply that [TS]

00:44:31   by every piece of software we ever make [TS]

00:44:33   so I was in the calculator done what [TS]

00:44:34   needs to be updated on it's like well if [TS]

00:44:36   we just leave one person on it then [TS]

00:44:38   there's a chance that that one person [TS]

00:44:40   can make a silly mistake and make us [TS]

00:44:42   look bad and so everything has to be [TS]

00:44:44   higher quality so you know we'll leave [TS]

00:44:46   this team of seven on calculator in it [TS]

00:44:47   and no matter what team of seven guy [TS]

00:44:50   said they won't want to do it and like a [TS]

00:44:52   lot of these things you feel like [TS]

00:44:53   they're a training program for less [TS]

00:44:57   experienced people like before you get [TS]

00:44:58   to be in the Big Show and you know work [TS]

00:45:00   on a super important new feature in UI [TS]

00:45:02   kit or work on a major new feature in [TS]

00:45:04   the OS maybe you have to maintain disk [TS]

00:45:06   utility for a few years and that's how [TS]

00:45:08   you learn right like there's no there's [TS]

00:45:11   no easy solution [TS]

00:45:12   people are not interchangeable cogs [TS]

00:45:14   programming is a complicated endeavor [TS]

00:45:16   and Apple doesn't actually have [TS]

00:45:19   unlimited money and does actually have [TS]

00:45:22   people scrutinizing every cent that it [TS]

00:45:24   spends and at telling them that they [TS]

00:45:26   should have margins that are higher than [TS]

00:45:28   they do so you know I don't know there's [TS]

00:45:32   you know it is a spectrum it's not as if [TS]

00:45:34   a saying Oh a blow everything apples [TS]

00:45:36   doing they're doing as well as they can [TS]

00:45:37   they can and should adjust things right [TS]

00:45:39   they can and should pay more attention [TS]

00:45:41   to things that you know they shouldn't [TS]

00:45:44   let as much slip as they do and they [TS]

00:45:46   should be not be Pennywise pound-foolish [TS]

00:45:49   where are we saved a couple bucks here [TS]

00:45:50   by moving some people around what is [TS]

00:45:53   what are the potential downsides for the [TS]

00:45:54   image of the company all the way up to [TS]

00:45:57   what are the potential downsides if we [TS]

00:45:59   invest a lot in a feature and spend a [TS]

00:46:01   lot of time and energy on it and it [TS]

00:46:03   doesn't turn out that well how do we fix [TS]

00:46:05   that or burn you know insert your [TS]

00:46:07   favorite feature there whether it be the [TS]

00:46:08   touch bar or the new keyboard [TS]

00:46:09   reliability or any other thing whether [TS]

00:46:12   they really did dedicate a lot of [TS]

00:46:13   resources and doesn't turn out as well [TS]

00:46:16   as they wanted like software's hard life [TS]

00:46:19   is hard yeah but I think there's also a [TS]

00:46:22   middle ground here like the the [TS]

00:46:24   impression I I have gotten from reports [TS]

00:46:26   from people within over the last many [TS]

00:46:28   years this seems to always be a [TS]

00:46:31   consistent story that we hear from [TS]

00:46:33   people at Apple is that it's not like [TS]

00:46:36   there were seven people on the [TS]

00:46:37   calculator team and they reduced it down [TS]

00:46:39   or they couldn't have those people [TS]

00:46:41   forever or that it was done none of [TS]

00:46:43   those things were true what was probably [TS]

00:46:45   true is the calculator had zero people [TS]

00:46:48   working on it for a very long time then [TS]

00:46:50   when a new system design or style or [TS]

00:46:53   marketing heavy feature was being added [TS]

00:46:56   to iOS or new hardware somebody was [TS]

00:46:59   somebody who was already very busy was [TS]

00:47:00   tasked with update updating this app [TS]

00:47:02   along with probably as you mentioned [TS]

00:47:04   probably seven other apps to the new [TS]

00:47:06   animation style or the new design style [TS]

00:47:08   or with or take advantage of the new [TS]

00:47:10   feature of the phone or just the new [TS]

00:47:11   size of these phones or whatever else so [TS]

00:47:13   that was someone's job they had enough [TS]

00:47:15   time to do a two-thirds complete job so [TS]

00:47:18   they because they had to rush to meet [TS]

00:47:19   the deadline for when this OS and phone [TS]

00:47:21   shipped and then after it shipped the [TS]

00:47:24   staff was returned back to zero [TS]

00:47:26   so that we have heard that story so many [TS]

00:47:30   times from people inside so it isn't [TS]

00:47:32   that it isn't that things are just done [TS]

00:47:35   and that the markets demanding that they [TS]

00:47:36   you know or that you know that all of a [TS]

00:47:39   sudden they're undone like it's [TS]

00:47:40   following marketing features they have [TS]

00:47:42   to keep things updated and they had and [TS]

00:47:44   they keep seemingly very very small [TS]

00:47:46   staffs available to do things that [TS]

00:47:50   aren't high priority apps or features or [TS]

00:47:52   platforms like the calculator app or [TS]

00:47:54   like you know the Mac head and then as [TS]

00:47:57   soon as that thing is is done the am at [TS]

00:48:01   the budget of time allocation for that [TS]

00:48:04   that's available to fixed bugs in it [TS]

00:48:06   literally drops to zero not some zero [TS]

00:48:10   that is a management problem that needs [TS]

00:48:13   to be adjusted [TS]

00:48:14   other perverse and perverse incentives [TS]

00:48:17   too and and yeah and and that's and [TS]

00:48:19   we've heard that too like we've heard a [TS]

00:48:20   lot of reports also from people that one [TS]

00:48:25   of the issues that causes this kind of [TS]

00:48:27   thing that leads to this kind of thing [TS]

00:48:28   is the incentive structure in the [TS]

00:48:30   company seemingly favors rewriting large [TS]

00:48:34   projects are being on high profile [TS]

00:48:35   platforms and doesn't favor doing more [TS]

00:48:38   boring things that's something to be [TS]

00:48:40   done and that's also a management [TS]

00:48:42   problem like that's like they need to [TS]

00:48:43   find ways to to adjust their internal [TS]

00:48:47   structures and policies and workflows [TS]

00:48:50   and incentives to make high quality [TS]

00:48:53   platforms and apps happen more often [TS]

00:48:56   than they do the incentive that I was [TS]

00:49:00   thinking of was if you're on if you're a [TS]

00:49:03   cast with doing something with [TS]

00:49:04   calculator or if you're one person who [TS]

00:49:06   is responsible for seven applications [TS]

00:49:08   and the max utility folder or something [TS]

00:49:10   you're not particularly incentivized to [TS]

00:49:14   slowly make the thing better by adding a [TS]

00:49:17   feature here and a feature there because [TS]

00:49:19   like you know take the terminal for [TS]

00:49:21   example terminal it don't it always [TS]

00:49:22   amazes me when the terminal gets any [TS]

00:49:23   features because the downsides are big [TS]

00:49:25   if you mess up the terminal it's a thing [TS]

00:49:27   that a lot of people use and they're [TS]

00:49:28   going to yell at you and if terminal is [TS]

00:49:30   working fine like why add any minor [TS]

00:49:33   features to it because all you're doing [TS]

00:49:34   is adding a new more bug surface like oh [TS]

00:49:38   I added [TS]

00:49:39   silly feature two-terminal and now I [TS]

00:49:41   have 17 bug reports on it and I don't [TS]

00:49:42   have any time to work on it because I'm [TS]

00:49:44   off doing other things now and I'm the [TS]

00:49:45   one person who's responsible for [TS]

00:49:46   terminal in seven other applications I'm [TS]

00:49:49   not motivated to add features to [TS]

00:49:50   terminal and justify them and say why I [TS]

00:49:53   had to spend engineering time on them [TS]

00:49:54   because every feature I add is a new [TS]

00:49:56   thing that people can file bugs against [TS]

00:49:58   and if you know if we just leave it the [TS]

00:49:59   way it is we've got our existing bug [TS]

00:50:01   backlog that we're probably just [TS]

00:50:02   ignoring forever if we haven't fixed it [TS]

00:50:04   by now and there's nothing new to do and [TS]

00:50:06   what you were getting as the you know [TS]

00:50:08   being on the glory projects like no one [TS]

00:50:10   ever notices bah this guy's great he's [TS]

00:50:12   slowly improved the terminal over the [TS]

00:50:14   course of eight years and has had very [TS]

00:50:16   few bugs and every new feature that he [TS]

00:50:17   added versus this person worked on [TS]

00:50:19   worked on the first version of watchkit [TS]

00:50:21   right one of those probably helps your [TS]

00:50:23   career inside Apple more than the other [TS]

00:50:24   but from the outside perspective [TS]

00:50:26   especially if you never buy a watch I [TS]

00:50:28   would love a slowly improving terminal [TS]

00:50:30   that had like the equivalent of one or [TS]

00:50:32   you motivated indie developers working [TS]

00:50:34   on it who like terminal was their entire [TS]

00:50:36   livelihood and they had that kind of [TS]

00:50:38   motivation but that doesn't exist inside [TS]

00:50:39   Apple no one inside Apple is going to [TS]

00:50:42   work on terminal the same way like the [TS]

00:50:44   the I term authors are going to work on [TS]

00:50:45   their thing as if their entire [TS]

00:50:47   livelihood depends on constantly [TS]

00:50:49   improving and maintaining the terminal [TS]

00:50:50   application which you know is a shame [TS]

00:50:53   but there's that's not really I don't [TS]

00:50:57   know everyone always says everyone we [TS]

00:50:58   were making like a start-up inside a big [TS]

00:51:00   company but I've never seen that done [TS]

00:51:01   successfully well I mean the thing that [TS]

00:51:03   is is that my limited understanding of [TS]

00:51:07   what the culture is like with an apple [TS]

00:51:09   is that they still fancy themselves the [TS]

00:51:12   plucky upstart and they're not they're [TS]

00:51:15   just not and how do you maintain and [TS]

00:51:19   both we've got both of you guys have [TS]

00:51:21   said this how do you maintain any sort [TS]

00:51:22   of talent at the company when part of [TS]

00:51:24   being good at what you do is being good [TS]

00:51:28   at the boring stuff and it's just it's [TS]

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00:53:14   Squarespace make your next move so last [TS]

00:53:21   year I'm pretty sure single-handedly [TS]

00:53:23   Marco came up with a with a genuinely [TS]

00:53:24   brilliant idea to do a little bit of a [TS]

00:53:28   Thanksgiving special and ask and have [TS]

00:53:30   each of us describe what tech stuff we [TS]

00:53:33   are thankful for this year and I really [TS]

00:53:38   really loved how that turned out and so [TS]

00:53:39   did a lot of listeners and so Marco you [TS]

00:53:41   were good enough to remember to talk [TS]

00:53:43   about it again this year so Marco what [TS]

00:53:46   text offer you thankful for this year I [TS]

00:53:47   wanted to keep the list pretty short [TS]

00:53:49   this year and I'm just super running low [TS]

00:53:51   on time but you only got four items but [TS]

00:53:53   there's a tie for number three [TS]

00:53:57   all done sir yeah I actually do it four [TS]

00:54:00   times so one of them is my wonderful [TS]

00:54:04   beloved 2015 MacBook Pro we will get to [TS]

00:54:07   that in more detail later oh my god I [TS]

00:54:09   you know look I just love it I wrote a [TS]

00:54:12   whole blog post about how much I love it [TS]

00:54:13   it's great and it's it is exactly what [TS]

00:54:17   text should be which is it just works it [TS]

00:54:21   delights me and I don't really have to [TS]

00:54:22   think about it if I don't want to it [TS]

00:54:24   just works [TS]

00:54:25   also in the world of Apple hardware I am [TS]

00:54:28   incredibly happy with the 10.5 inch iPad [TS]

00:54:32   pro and the smart Keyboard that I bought [TS]

00:54:35   with it you know I'm I don't use my iPad [TS]

00:54:38   for very complicated things but I do use [TS]

00:54:41   it frequently every day I use it it's [TS]

00:54:43   always in the kitchen or on the table or [TS]

00:54:46   on the couch and every day I use it to [TS]

00:54:49   only play podcasts in the kitchen and [TS]

00:54:52   dining area but then I will often then [TS]

00:54:54   use it as my couch browsing device and [TS]

00:54:57   things of that and it's it's just very [TS]

00:54:58   pleasant to use I'm not an iPad power [TS]

00:55:01   user by any means I still bring a laptop [TS]

00:55:03   one night when I'm working [TS]

00:55:04   but I'm doing anything that's not really [TS]

00:55:06   work especially you're on the house the [TS]

00:55:07   iPad is wonderful and the 10.5 inch was [TS]

00:55:10   such a great update in so many ways the [TS]

00:55:12   screen size is great and especially once [TS]

00:55:15   you see it next to and 9.7 again you [TS]

00:55:18   realize that quite have much of an [TS]

00:55:19   improvement it was it seemed like a [TS]

00:55:20   pretty small improvement at the time but [TS]

00:55:22   it's really nice so it's a great device [TS]

00:55:25   I always have it propped up in the smart [TS]

00:55:27   Keyboard so text-entry is nice and fast [TS]

00:55:29   on it if I need that and it's just it's [TS]

00:55:32   great I'm very very happy with my iPad [TS]

00:55:34   pro 10.5 third I will add the general [TS]

00:55:38   category of power and charging gear by [TS]

00:55:42   Ankur this is you know it's not that new [TS]

00:55:45   of an opinion to like anchor gear the [TS]

00:55:48   world of dealing with our tech these [TS]

00:55:50   days especially iOS devices with [TS]

00:55:53   lightning ports and everything else [TS]

00:55:54   things become a lot more convenient and [TS]

00:55:56   easier and more pleasant when you can [TS]

00:55:59   get plentiful charging and power and [TS]

00:56:02   gear for not that much money and that's [TS]

00:56:05   pretty high-quality an anchor is not the [TS]

00:56:07   only brand that does this but I think [TS]

00:56:09   they are the brand that does the most of [TS]

00:56:10   it and the most consistent [TS]

00:56:12   and so very very happy with anchor gear [TS]

00:56:14   both like the the multi USB port wall [TS]

00:56:17   chargers their standalone batteries are [TS]

00:56:20   also great and of course they're they're [TS]

00:56:22   like heavy-duty braided cables lightning [TS]

00:56:24   cables are great and they cost so little [TS]

00:56:26   relatively speaking that you can have a [TS]

00:56:29   bunch of them and you can put them all [TS]

00:56:30   over your house you can carry extras [TS]

00:56:32   around and bags and you can set up like [TS]

00:56:34   you know different charging stations at [TS]

00:56:35   different different rooms in different [TS]

00:56:37   places like your office in your house in [TS]

00:56:38   your car and it's just really really [TS]

00:56:40   nice to have all that stuff become [TS]

00:56:41   inexpensive and good it really it really [TS]

00:56:45   makes art digital lives with all these [TS]

00:56:47   charging things a lot easier and finally [TS]

00:56:49   a special honorable mention to [TS]

00:56:52   everything I have ever bought from the [TS]

00:56:54   company sound devices this is very [TS]

00:56:57   specialized if you are not a sound or [TS]

00:56:59   video pro you probably have never heard [TS]

00:57:01   of this company and you probably [TS]

00:57:02   shouldn't ever hear about this company [TS]

00:57:04   but if you work with sound or video gear [TS]

00:57:06   well haven't used their video stuff if [TS]

00:57:08   you work with sound gear at all the [TS]

00:57:10   devices by sound devices are not cheap [TS]

00:57:13   at all but this is truly ProGear is I [TS]

00:57:17   use a USB pre - for recording here for [TS]

00:57:21   our live show and for my increasing live [TS]

00:57:24   and multi port needs [TS]

00:57:25   I recently splurged and bought one of [TS]

00:57:27   their 6 Series mixers their stuff is [TS]

00:57:30   just so damn good and it just works this [TS]

00:57:34   is true Pro gear and it's total overkill [TS]

00:57:37   for most podcasters but it's the exact [TS]

00:57:40   definition of like if you have a problem [TS]

00:57:42   and you are willing to just throw some [TS]

00:57:44   money at it to make that problem [TS]

00:57:46   completely go away sound devices trust [TS]

00:57:50   me anyway that's it all right so we can [TS]

00:57:53   go in either surname or age order either [TS]

00:57:57   way that makes me next and so I will run [TS]

00:58:00   through my list I will try to do this as [TS]

00:58:02   quickly as possible in no particular [TS]

00:58:05   order air pods [TS]

00:58:07   I freaking love my air pods and I was [TS]

00:58:10   just thinking a couple hours ago about [TS]

00:58:12   how as far as I can tell I haven't [TS]

00:58:17   noticed any particular degradation in [TS]

00:58:19   battery quality despite the fact that [TS]

00:58:21   these things have been in my ears for a [TS]

00:58:23   probably [TS]

00:58:25   concerning amount of time particularly [TS]

00:58:27   during the work week and I think that's [TS]

00:58:29   partially because anytime I take them [TS]

00:58:31   out of my ears there immediately [TS]

00:58:32   charging so although I said no [TS]

00:58:35   particular order I lied because that is [TS]

00:58:36   definitely number one the remainder [TS]

00:58:38   however is not in any particular order [TS]

00:58:40   carplay believe it or not in this [TS]

00:58:42   surprises even me [TS]

00:58:43   it's got a lot of problems it is not [TS]

00:58:45   perfect by any stretch but it is very [TS]

00:58:48   very nice and I like that I can take [TS]

00:58:52   pretty much any iOS device plug it into [TS]

00:58:54   Aaron's car and immediately I have the [TS]

00:58:58   entire devices experience in her center [TS]

00:59:01   console so that's really convenient [TS]

00:59:03   because my caller my phone isn't maded [TS]

00:59:06   paired to her car via bluetooth but I [TS]

00:59:09   can try to find an address to somewhere [TS]

00:59:12   in Apple Maps and get the directions [TS]

00:59:15   ready to go plug in my phone and [TS]

00:59:17   suddenly she's got my navigation on her [TS]

00:59:19   car which is super cool I believe in in [TS]

00:59:23   laptops that were built in this century [TS]

00:59:25   so I love my macbook adorable again it's [TS]

00:59:28   got problems but I love it and the [TS]

00:59:31   problems it has slower than my ancient [TS]

00:59:33   laptop by quite a margin that that's one [TS]

00:59:35   of the problems coincidentally you could [TS]

00:59:37   but yeah I mean it is not perfect and [TS]

00:59:40   and as I think I've said many times in [TS]

00:59:42   the past if this was my only computer [TS]

00:59:44   I'm not sure I would have such fond [TS]

00:59:46   feelings for it but in the same way you [TS]

00:59:48   have such fond feelings for your 10 inch [TS]

00:59:50   iPad pro I have tremendously fond [TS]

00:59:53   feelings for this macbook adorable [TS]

00:59:56   because it is to me anyway the ultimate [TS]

00:59:59   travel can [TS]

00:59:59   travel can [TS]

01:00:00   computer and that can mean the couch or [TS]

01:00:02   it can mean a cross-country trip and I [TS]

01:00:04   just love this thing [TS]

01:00:06   also on the list I in in the process of [TS]

01:00:11   filming the Alfa Romeo video which I [TS]

01:00:14   have a first draft complete and I'm now [TS]

01:00:17   refining it anyway in the process of [TS]

01:00:19   filming that I borrowed a GoPro from [TS]

01:00:20   work which I think I mentioned in the [TS]

01:00:21   past [TS]

01:00:22   turns out GoPros are really cool and if [TS]

01:00:26   you're in a situation where you want to [TS]

01:00:27   have a pretty decent camera that if for [TS]

01:00:30   some reason it broke you wouldn't be [TS]

01:00:31   financially ruined and you want to do [TS]

01:00:34   something with that camera like mounted [TS]

01:00:35   to the outside of a car or put it [TS]

01:00:37   somewhere there that's there's not a lot [TS]

01:00:39   of room the GoPros are really really [TS]

01:00:42   cool very much a niche use case but man [TS]

01:00:45   are they agree it's like your sound [TS]

01:00:47   devices right you know it's it's a very [TS]

01:00:49   niche thing but holy cow does it work [TS]

01:00:52   out well for those for those little [TS]

01:00:54   niches and finally I love my LTE Apple [TS]

01:00:58   watch I had already started taking [TS]

01:01:01   Fitness a lot more seriously before my [TS]

01:01:04   LTE Apple watch but it is much more [TS]

01:01:06   pleasurable to go for a run without [TS]

01:01:09   having to carry anything on my person [TS]

01:01:12   and and still know that I can call for [TS]

01:01:15   help God for if God forbid something [TS]

01:01:17   really bad happened and so I am super [TS]

01:01:20   thankful for my Apple watch even though [TS]

01:01:22   it is about 50% more expensive on a [TS]

01:01:24   monthly basis than it should be yeah [TS]

01:01:26   maybe even a hundred that's okay anyway [TS]

01:01:29   that's my list a mega list but I can go [TS]

01:01:33   off the top of my head for the show [TS]

01:01:36   yeah well Casey stole my first one with [TS]

01:01:39   air pods my name problem with all these [TS]

01:01:41   things I can never remember what [TS]

01:01:42   happened this year like it's this you [TS]

01:01:44   know what things were thankful for this [TS]

01:01:46   year was that we're apart this year I [TS]

01:01:47   don't even know but since Casey listed [TS]

01:01:49   them I'm gonna say they were but they [TS]

01:01:51   they were since Thanksgiving [TS]

01:01:53   ah shoot I'm saying so I received mine I [TS]

01:01:57   think lately late December and so I'm [TS]

01:02:00   counting it as Thanksgiving to [TS]

01:02:01   Thanksgiving thing yes certainly for [TS]

01:02:03   most people they were this year yeah so [TS]

01:02:05   they have definitely just changed I [TS]

01:02:07   think I was thinking about this the [TS]

01:02:08   other day just how much they've changed [TS]

01:02:10   my my life [TS]

01:02:12   because I'm constantly singing to [TS]

01:02:13   podcasts inside and outside of the house [TS]

01:02:14   and maybe it's not as big a deal I know [TS]

01:02:18   I know the air pods everybody likes them [TS]

01:02:21   like if you ask someone who has the [TS]

01:02:22   motive great or whatever but for me I [TS]

01:02:24   think I there's a little bit of extra [TS]

01:02:26   attraction to them because I'm I don't [TS]

01:02:28   know how to describe this but I'm the [TS]

01:02:29   kind of person I'm one of those people [TS]

01:02:33   who's like disturbed by disorder I think [TS]

01:02:35   I described it to Merlin once bird like [TS]

01:02:37   there was some pictures on the internet [TS]

01:02:38   that show like a bunch of pencils all [TS]

01:02:40   lined up but one pencil is poking out [TS]

01:02:41   right or like just things that are a [TS]

01:02:44   bunch of physical objects that look like [TS]

01:02:45   they you know they could be nicely [TS]

01:02:48   arranged but there's just something [TS]

01:02:49   wrong with them this is Aaron's [TS]

01:02:51   kryptonite yeah and whatever that is [TS]

01:02:53   people say OCD but that isn't incorrect [TS]

01:02:56   use of that term it's not what is it all [TS]

01:02:58   that's a whole different thing but if [TS]

01:03:00   you're just generally like disturbed by [TS]

01:03:02   disorder and headphone chords for me are [TS]

01:03:05   were always a big source of disorder [TS]

01:03:07   they're tangled in your pockets you have [TS]

01:03:08   all these techniques for coiling them [TS]

01:03:10   they get caught on things I think as I [TS]

01:03:12   tweeted one of the other tweets that I I [TS]

01:03:15   think back on every time this happens to [TS]

01:03:17   me nothing makes me more instantly [TS]

01:03:20   enraged than having my headphones yanked [TS]

01:03:22   out of my ears [TS]

01:03:23   that just makes me want to immediately [TS]

01:03:25   kill right like easy going through a [TS]

01:03:30   door and your headphone cord gets caught [TS]

01:03:31   on something and the earbud is yanked [TS]

01:03:33   out of your ears the worst right and [TS]

01:03:36   it's not a big deal like whatever all [TS]

01:03:38   the cords bother you oh it's just too [TS]

01:03:40   crippling you know it really is ruining [TS]

01:03:42   your day that you have cords it wasn't a [TS]

01:03:44   big deal but it was always there and I'm [TS]

01:03:46   the type of person who was bothered by [TS]

01:03:48   this kind of disorder who was bothered [TS]

01:03:49   by having to deal with it and having to [TS]

01:03:51   have all these techniques for dealing [TS]

01:03:52   with it now and be aware of it and being [TS]

01:03:54   careful within threading the cords [TS]

01:03:55   through my clothes and doing all of this [TS]

01:03:56   stuff earpods get rid of all of that [TS]

01:04:00   there is no more cord and despite being [TS]

01:04:04   annoyed by not being able to change the [TS]

01:04:05   volume and all the other things and [TS]

01:04:07   having to be able to charging and all [TS]

01:04:08   that other stuff boy they have really [TS]

01:04:09   just ambiently increased my quality of [TS]

01:04:13   life by a tiny amount but the tiny [TS]

01:04:14   amount is spread through like the whole [TS]

01:04:16   day so I really love them I'm gonna give [TS]

01:04:19   a slot to the Apple TV the new Apple TV [TS]

01:04:22   now that the beta OS does the [TS]

01:04:25   the frame matching stuff mostly because [TS]

01:04:28   I hadn't realized how much I had written [TS]

01:04:30   off the Apple TV as sort of a video file [TS]

01:04:32   audio file like whatever like a sort of [TS]

01:04:35   device in which I can indulge my love of [TS]

01:04:38   beautiful movies and stuff is like yeah [TS]

01:04:39   that's a thing that we use it to watch [TS]

01:04:42   TV shows and the kids play with it but [TS]

01:04:44   that's outside the realm of my sort of [TS]

01:04:47   TV nerd experience but suddenly it's [TS]

01:04:49   it's right back in now it's back in the [TS]

01:04:51   mix because now it can actually show [TS]

01:04:53   things of the correct frame rate and as [TS]

01:04:55   hgr support and its 4k and its back on [TS]

01:04:58   the board and so I'm excited by that [TS]

01:05:00   because I never really dislike the Apple [TS]

01:05:03   TV and I dreaded having to go to a [TS]

01:05:05   geekier device like a build-your-own [TS]

01:05:07   Raspberry Pi and you can make your own [TS]

01:05:09   thing or use the Nvidia shield and don't [TS]

01:05:11   worry you know like I I didn't want to [TS]

01:05:14   deal with all that so I was just you [TS]

01:05:16   know stuck with my plastic blu-ray discs [TS]

01:05:17   in my TV and everything but now I'm more [TS]

01:05:20   optimistic about the future of the Apple [TS]

01:05:21   TV in my life not just this a thing that [TS]

01:05:24   my kids used to watch stuff sometimes [TS]

01:05:26   what was my third one oh yeah my camera [TS]

01:05:30   which I don't think was this year either [TS]

01:05:31   but going through my pictures I've been [TS]

01:05:35   printing books from the Apple photo book [TS]

01:05:37   thing and so I've been going through a [TS]

01:05:39   lot of old pictures and everything and [TS]

01:05:41   it's so clear where the dividing line is [TS]

01:05:44   between my old cameras and my new one [TS]

01:05:46   which is the sony a6300 not that it's [TS]

01:05:51   the world's best camera but it was a [TS]

01:05:53   significant leap in image quality and [TS]

01:05:56   sensor size over my old superzoom [TS]

01:05:57   cameras and i notice it when i'm going [TS]

01:05:59   through the pictures and I'm much [TS]

01:06:01   happier with the pictures I'm taking [TS]

01:06:02   with my new camera then I was in my old [TS]

01:06:04   ones I got some good ones at that one [TS]

01:06:06   too but I see the difference and now of [TS]

01:06:09   course I wish I could go back in time [TS]

01:06:10   and you know take take pictures of my [TS]

01:06:12   son it was born 13 years ago with a [TS]

01:06:15   camera from 2017 that's not the way the [TS]

01:06:17   world works [TS]

01:06:19   but I really I really do enjoy my camera [TS]

01:06:22   and it's making me as making me think [TS]

01:06:25   that maybe like oh wait I'll wait for a [TS]

01:06:28   Parkers review of the of the bigger Sony [TS]

01:06:30   that maybe I should start cranking up [TS]

01:06:32   the size of the camera I'm willing to [TS]

01:06:34   carry just to see if I can go all the [TS]

01:06:37   way up to [TS]

01:06:38   a larger sensor size and make it [TS]

01:06:41   worthwhile but anyway I really enjoy my [TS]

01:06:42   camera let's see the final thing I guess [TS]

01:06:44   I have to give a shout out for the Mac [TS]

01:06:46   Pro how can I be thankful for a thing I [TS]

01:06:47   don't actually have I'm thankful that [TS]

01:06:49   this year again I'm pretty sure this [TS]

01:06:51   year is the year that Apple said you [TS]

01:06:53   know what we should make it a Mac Pro [TS]

01:06:55   and I agree Apple you should and I'm [TS]

01:06:58   waiting patiently I haven't had enough [TS]

01:07:04   to drink [TS]

01:07:05   to handle the Mac Pro conversations so [TS]

01:07:07   let's just move on and let's talk about [TS]

01:07:10   how I did not bring up the iPhone 10 and [TS]

01:07:14   in fact none of us brought up the iPhone [TS]

01:07:16   10 as one of our things that we're [TS]

01:07:19   thankful for [TS]

01:07:19   to be fair John doesn't really have one [TS]

01:07:21   eye I've had it for two weeks it is [TS]

01:07:24   really good so far I really enjoy it [TS]

01:07:26   it's just a little early for me to say [TS]

01:07:29   for sure that it's like a clear positive [TS]

01:07:32   win in all fronts but I think it's [TS]

01:07:34   heading in that direction for me but [TS]

01:07:35   apparently not for you so I I'm having [TS]

01:07:41   some troubles and I feel like it is [TS]

01:07:46   clear that Apple has done something that [TS]

01:07:50   they have no bin I think I said this [TS]

01:07:51   originally when we reviewed the iPhone [TS]

01:07:53   10 iPhones 10 they've done something [TS]

01:07:56   that they have no business doing and [TS]

01:07:57   brought technology that really should [TS]

01:07:59   not exist in 2017 and and ripped it from [TS]

01:08:01   the future and put it in 2017 so in a [TS]

01:08:05   lot of ways I am delighted and [TS]

01:08:09   mesmerized by this device and certainly [TS]

01:08:12   every time I look at any other devices I [TS]

01:08:14   think I described last episode any time [TS]

01:08:16   I look at any other device that has the [TS]

01:08:19   big chin and forehead I look at it and [TS]

01:08:21   it just feels friggin ancient like I'm [TS]

01:08:24   poking fun at your laptop but really and [TS]

01:08:26   truly that these old devices look just [TS]

01:08:28   ancient by comparison in a way that your [TS]

01:08:30   laptop actually doesn't although I'll [TS]

01:08:32   deny that in about 10 minutes they're so [TS]

01:08:36   in so many ways this thing is is [TS]

01:08:38   wonderful and my goodness when face ID [TS]

01:08:42   works right boy does it feel amazing it [TS]

01:08:45   feels like back in the day when I didn't [TS]

01:08:47   put a passcode in my 3GS because why [TS]

01:08:49   would you there's no need for it [TS]

01:08:51   so in so many ways the these phones are [TS]

01:08:54   so great but I am getting more and more [TS]

01:08:57   and more infuriated about the fact that [TS]

01:09:00   I feel less and less and less able to [TS]

01:09:03   use my phone at night or potentially in [TS]

01:09:07   the morning and let me tell you why [TS]

01:09:08   so well I think I described last episode [TS]

01:09:12   that I have a very peculiar eye problem [TS]

01:09:15   it's called keratoconus which means that [TS]

01:09:17   I wear hard contact lenses and it means [TS]

01:09:20   that if I were I glasses which I do have [TS]

01:09:21   a pair of eye glasses they get me from [TS]

01:09:24   unable to do almost anything to somewhat [TS]

01:09:29   functioning human being but I would [TS]

01:09:31   never drive with my eyeglasses it's very [TS]

01:09:33   difficult to work on a computer with [TS]

01:09:34   eyeglasses I need my contacts and so at [TS]

01:09:37   night when I'm in bed or in the morning [TS]

01:09:39   when I'm in bed and I don't have my [TS]

01:09:41   contacts in I have to keep the phone [TS]

01:09:44   uncomfortably close to my face well it's [TS]

01:09:46   not uncomfortable to me but you know it [TS]

01:09:48   probably looks just completely weird to [TS]

01:09:50   anyone else I would guess that it's 2 to [TS]

01:09:53   3 inches away from my nose and my nose [TS]

01:09:55   is about 800 feet long so that's [TS]

01:09:58   actually not as close as it seems I [TS]

01:09:59   suppose but it's close and the point is [TS]

01:10:02   that what I feel like is happening I [TS]

01:10:06   don't know this is true but what seems [TS]

01:10:07   to be happening is that I'm close enough [TS]

01:10:10   that face ID can't see my eyes and it's [TS]

01:10:13   assuming that I'm not looking at the [TS]

01:10:14   phone and so the symptom is that I will [TS]

01:10:18   be actively using my phone often times [TS]

01:10:21   having scrolled in like Twitter or [TS]

01:10:23   something within the last 15 or 20 [TS]

01:10:25   seconds and the phone just suddenly [TS]

01:10:28   decides to lock itself and turn the [TS]

01:10:29   screen off and this is happening a lot [TS]

01:10:33   it's not dimming before the screen is [TS]

01:10:35   turned off I'm not in low-power mode I [TS]

01:10:38   am usually and do not disturb but I'm [TS]

01:10:40   not in low-power mode and often times I [TS]

01:10:42   expect it would dim I would you know [TS]

01:10:44   touch the screen to remind it don't know [TS]

01:10:46   I'm here don't don't go away I'm here [TS]

01:10:48   but off it happened this morning like [TS]

01:10:51   two different times I'm sitting there [TS]

01:10:53   I'm reading something and next thing you [TS]

01:10:55   know all of a sudden the phone turns [TS]

01:10:57   itself off well I shouldn't say turns [TS]

01:10:58   itself off are you sure you're not a [TS]

01:10:59   ghost I know I'm not sure is this real [TS]

01:11:02   life there's just a bit see I don't [TS]

01:11:04   No okay sorry did you mention whether [TS]

01:11:06   you what's your auto lock timeout set to [TS]

01:11:08   whatever the default is but I will stall [TS]

01:11:12   for time and I will tell you but I'm [TS]

01:11:14   pretty darn sure it's whatever the [TS]

01:11:15   default is and I feel like that's like [TS]

01:11:17   30 seconds or something yeah which [TS]

01:11:18   should be the default with the OLED [TS]

01:11:20   screens [TS]

01:11:20   well I'd argue it shouldn't because it [TS]

01:11:22   sucks well Touche [TS]

01:11:26   it is absolutely unequivocally set for [TS]

01:11:27   30 seconds yeah that's bad but you said [TS]

01:11:30   it doesn't dim first no that's the thing [TS]

01:11:33   that's driving me bananas because if it [TS]

01:11:35   was dimming and what I shouldn't say [TS]

01:11:37   that occasionally it will dim and then [TS]

01:11:39   I'll touch the screen and everything [TS]

01:11:40   will be fine but there have been times [TS]

01:11:42   where I will be looking at the screen [TS]

01:11:44   and again in the defense of the phone my [TS]

01:11:47   devices is very close to my face and all [TS]

01:11:52   of a sudden will just turn itself off [TS]

01:11:53   and yes I do have a tension detection on [TS]

01:11:55   and no I have not tried turning it off [TS]

01:11:56   but I want attention detection on I like [TS]

01:11:59   it in every other circumstance but when [TS]

01:12:01   I have my phone so close to my face it [TS]

01:12:03   just suddenly decides no you're done now [TS]

01:12:05   in turns itself off and I I don't know [TS]

01:12:09   what to do to fix it other than I mean I [TS]

01:12:11   I suppose I could turn attention [TS]

01:12:13   detection off but my goodness is is [TS]

01:12:16   frustrating and it's grating on me like [TS]

01:12:19   it's it's that thing that when you hear [TS]

01:12:21   somebody else talk about like like [TS]

01:12:22   John's phone or headphone cables like [TS]

01:12:26   okay yeah that's annoying but whatever [TS]

01:12:27   get over John know like I can't get over [TS]

01:12:30   this it's killing me you know like this [TS]

01:12:32   is my headphone cables and I don't know [TS]

01:12:35   what to do about it and it's getting to [TS]

01:12:36   the point that it's kind of ruining a [TS]

01:12:38   phone that I otherwise really really [TS]

01:12:40   really really love did you put the RAM [TS]

01:12:42   from your iMac into your just turn it [TS]

01:12:49   indeed is the phone also just rebooting [TS]

01:12:52   itself like every few hours and you [TS]

01:12:54   weren't telling us that because you [TS]

01:12:55   figure that's fine but he's complaining [TS]

01:12:56   about his progress he's complaining [TS]

01:12:58   about his look I'm using my features [TS]

01:12:59   turns off whereas before he's like [TS]

01:13:01   sometimes when I use my iMac it turns [TS]

01:13:03   off whatever I mean it seems like you [TS]

01:13:06   know step one is try turning off [TS]

01:13:08   attention detection yeah you're [TS]

01:13:10   absolutely right why haven't you tried [TS]

01:13:11   that yet that's my question like so you [TS]

01:13:13   have this problem what's been stopping [TS]

01:13:14   you from saying oh I'm going to [TS]

01:13:15   that obvious setting and flippant [TS]

01:13:17   because I don't want to turn it on and I [TS]

01:13:19   think that more of the stories I need to [TS]

01:13:20   try but I don't want to turn it off I [TS]

01:13:22   don't wanna have to flip that switch [TS]

01:13:23   every morning either because why don't [TS]

01:13:25   you want it off permanently like what [TS]

01:13:26   it's what's stopping you from saying why [TS]

01:13:28   don't you want it off because I like the [TS]

01:13:30   whole like the phone knows when I'm [TS]

01:13:32   looking at it and will show me the [TS]

01:13:34   details of my messages now the next [TS]

01:13:35   question you're gonna ask me is did I [TS]

01:13:37   ever bother with that before no I did [TS]

01:13:39   not my text messages could be seen by [TS]

01:13:41   anyone who had access to my phone I [TS]

01:13:43   don't think that's mutually exclusive I [TS]

01:13:45   think it's as soon as the phone is [TS]

01:13:47   unlocked it will show you the content [TS]

01:13:49   your text messages and it's unlocked [TS]

01:13:50   whether attention detection is enabled [TS]

01:13:52   or not just it uses face ID for that [TS]

01:13:53   interesting point okay that makes me [TS]

01:13:56   feel a little better that's okay that's [TS]

01:13:58   an interesting point I didn't think of [TS]

01:13:59   it that way I see what you're saying [TS]

01:14:00   though so attempt number one [TS]

01:14:01   turn off the engine detection and then [TS]

01:14:03   if that doesn't do it enough for you [TS]

01:14:05   raise that auto walk time out be above [TS]

01:14:07   thirty seconds and that should [TS]

01:14:08   significantly reduce the chances of this [TS]

01:14:10   this problem affecting you yeah but the [TS]

01:14:13   interesting the interesting life lesson [TS]

01:14:15   here is I don't view this as my fault [TS]

01:14:20   and the chat room is already saying it's [TS]

01:14:22   my fault I'm sure if you're listening [TS]

01:14:23   you're saying it's my fault but I don't [TS]

01:14:25   view this isn't that is my fault I'm [TS]

01:14:26   just trying to use my phone the way I [TS]

01:14:27   want to use my phone and although by any [TS]

01:14:29   normal metric I am in no way differently [TS]

01:14:32   abled or whatever the correct phrasing [TS]

01:14:35   is that I'm looking for but this is this [TS]

01:14:37   is the first time perhaps in my entire [TS]

01:14:39   life that an ailment of mine has caused [TS]

01:14:44   me to have a problem with the way [TS]

01:14:47   something's designed because I don't [TS]

01:14:49   think apples designers I I don't think [TS]

01:14:52   had ever really had to worry about well [TS]

01:14:55   what happens if somebody has really [TS]

01:14:56   really poor eyesight and is basically [TS]

01:14:58   touching their nose to this phone like [TS]

01:15:00   then what do we do and and so I feel I [TS]

01:15:04   feel neglected and that's a weird [TS]

01:15:06   feeling for me because as a able-bodied [TS]

01:15:08   person by any other metric this is the [TS]

01:15:10   first time I've really have to have to [TS]

01:15:13   deal with this and it's been a really [TS]

01:15:16   good and useful lesson that it's easy to [TS]

01:15:20   feel marginalized that's prob about the [TS]

01:15:22   word I'm looking for it but I can't [TS]

01:15:23   think of a better one it's easy to feel [TS]

01:15:24   marginalized just by being overlooked [TS]

01:15:27   the littlest tiniest bit [TS]

01:15:29   and that's been kind of interesting too [TS]

01:15:31   it's a glimpse of your future as I think [TS]

01:15:34   we've said many times when we talked [TS]

01:15:35   about accessibility features your [TS]

01:15:38   choices are you will eventually use [TS]

01:15:40   accessibility features or you'll be dead [TS]

01:15:42   and in general I think people will [TS]

01:15:45   choose the accessibility features like [TS]

01:15:46   it's not a question maybe you'll need [TS]

01:15:48   accessibility features no you will these [TS]

01:15:51   the only way you won't need [TS]

01:15:52   accessibility features is if you die or [TS]

01:15:53   if they cure aging I suppose but don't [TS]

01:15:55   hold your breath for that [TS]

01:15:56   sorry CGP grey yeah yeah we're all gonna [TS]

01:16:00   need these features in everything that [TS]

01:16:02   we do if we just keep living and our [TS]

01:16:04   bodies keep deteriorating you may be [TS]

01:16:05   perfectly healthy now and everything [TS]

01:16:07   works but eventually it won't and then [TS]

01:16:10   you are suddenly a customer for all the [TS]

01:16:12   features that you are not using in all [TS]

01:16:14   your electronic devices and all of the [TS]

01:16:16   appliances in your home and all the [TS]

01:16:18   places you go and your car and [TS]

01:16:20   everything else and so there's it's not [TS]

01:16:23   speculative and it's not likely there's [TS]

01:16:25   some chance you might need accessibility [TS]

01:16:26   features you will need them and I also [TS]

01:16:29   some obviously I don't have I content [TS]

01:16:32   but I also do exactly what Casey does I [TS]

01:16:33   don't have his exact vision problem but [TS]

01:16:35   I have terrible vision and when I use my [TS]

01:16:37   phone without my glasses in my bed it [TS]

01:16:40   might as well be touching my nose like [TS]

01:16:42   is that's when I get really intimate [TS]

01:16:43   with the retina screen and be like look [TS]

01:16:44   I can see the subpixels my close-up [TS]

01:16:47   vision is still pretty good although [TS]

01:16:49   maybe not true for Casey but bad news [TS]

01:16:52   for other young people who think that [TS]

01:16:53   yeah you know I need glasses to see far [TS]

01:16:56   away but I can see close up real great [TS]

01:16:57   well guess what when you get old that [TS]

01:16:58   goes to so that you have that to look [TS]

01:17:00   forward to but yeah and I think I would [TS]

01:17:02   have the exact same problem as you and I [TS]

01:17:04   think I would be the same situation [TS]

01:17:06   where I'd have to be considering turning [TS]

01:17:08   off the attention thing just because I [TS]

01:17:10   don't want to give up like that and you [TS]

01:17:13   know it's not a long time but I do use [TS]

01:17:15   my phone in my bed either before going [TS]

01:17:17   to bed or just after waking up and I [TS]

01:17:20   don't want to have to toggle setting to [TS]

01:17:21   do that and I don't want the screen to [TS]

01:17:23   turn off while I'm doing it so yeah it's [TS]

01:17:26   a thing so I'm looking at the settings [TS]

01:17:28   right now and in face ID and attention [TS]

01:17:31   there are two settings require attention [TS]

01:17:33   for face ID and then separately [TS]

01:17:36   attention to where features and then the [TS]

01:17:39   the footer under that says treat up the [TS]

01:17:41   camera will check for attention before [TS]

01:17:43   the display or lowering the volume of [TS]

01:17:45   alerts I am bummed to give away the [TS]

01:17:49   lowering the bar the volume of alerts [TS]

01:17:51   thing because although it doesn't happen [TS]

01:17:52   but once or twice a day that is a super [TS]

01:17:55   nice feature that when I look at the [TS]

01:17:56   phone it will duck the audio or maybe [TS]

01:17:58   that's not the right term for it but [TS]

01:17:59   it'll lower the volume of the the the [TS]

01:18:01   alarm or the timer what-have-you and you [TS]

01:18:03   know the thing that I I guess really [TS]

01:18:05   grinds my gears about this the most is [TS]

01:18:07   that one of the coolest like Wow things [TS]

01:18:10   for me anyway about the iPhone 10 is [TS]

01:18:14   that it is attention aware in that it is [TS]

01:18:17   capable of making decisions based on [TS]

01:18:19   whether or not you're looking at it like [TS]

01:18:20   that's so cool me I I'm seriously it's [TS]

01:18:22   super cool and now I feel like I'm [TS]

01:18:24   giving up on a little bit of that and [TS]

01:18:26   that bums me out because I like my new [TS]

01:18:28   toy otherwise and it's a really nice new [TS]

01:18:30   toy and I don't want and I want all [TS]

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01:20:11   discussion we sure do [TS]

01:20:13   it's the best done yeah that's that's [TS]

01:20:15   exactly how this is going to go all [TS]

01:20:17   right so tell us tell us this may or [TS]

01:20:20   tell if you and I are gonna hate each [TS]

01:20:22   other buy into this or if we're just [TS]

01:20:23   gonna shrug and say yeah okay that makes [TS]

01:20:25   sense but tell it tell us make your [TS]

01:20:26   pitch tell us about the the supposed [TS]

01:20:29   best laptop that's ever been made I [TS]

01:20:31   actually already did tell you a few [TS]

01:20:33   weeks ago on this show I basically I you [TS]

01:20:37   know as listeners of this show know I [TS]

01:20:38   have lots of complaints about the [TS]

01:20:40   current generation of MacBook Pros and I [TS]

01:20:43   switched back recently to a 2015 model [TS]

01:20:46   that I got off eBay for a pretty good [TS]

01:20:48   price and I just loved it I absolutely [TS]

01:20:51   loved it you know the the the wonderful [TS]

01:20:54   design of it just resonates well with me [TS]

01:20:56   it fits my needs incredibly well even [TS]

01:21:00   though it might not fit more modern [TS]

01:21:01   needs in certain ways if it's my you [TS]

01:21:03   know fairly low laptop needs incredibly [TS]

01:21:06   well it's incredibly convenient to have [TS]

01:21:08   all the nice old ports on it that I [TS]

01:21:10   don't need dongles for I can have only [TS]

01:21:12   USB a cables in my travel bag and be [TS]

01:21:15   able to plug my phone into either [TS]

01:21:17   chargers or my laptop with the same [TS]

01:21:19   cable and not have to worry about two [TS]

01:21:20   different kinds the keyboard is [TS]

01:21:23   wonderful it just works its reliable [TS]

01:21:25   it's the kind that I like the trackpad [TS]

01:21:27   is wonderful it's just a great the [TS]

01:21:29   battery life is wonderful and the [TS]

01:21:33   biggest thing I was afraid about when I [TS]

01:21:34   went back to it was that it would feel [TS]

01:21:36   old or that it would that I would miss [TS]

01:21:38   some of the advances the new stuff and [TS]

01:21:40   in fact that didn't happen at all it [TS]

01:21:41   doesn't feel old to me at all it doesn't [TS]

01:21:43   look old to me at all and I don't miss [TS]

01:21:45   the advances of the new stuff at all so [TS]

01:21:47   it basically was all good switching back [TS]

01:21:50   to it and I've been thinking for a while [TS]

01:21:53   about whether I wanted to write a big [TS]

01:21:55   blog post about just how much worse I [TS]

01:21:58   felt the the new generation of MacBook [TS]

01:22:00   Pros is and I decided to take a more [TS]

01:22:05   positive approach and not even not do [TS]

01:22:07   that at all I do that enough here [TS]

01:22:09   but to instead really celebrate quite [TS]

01:22:12   how good this laptop is and in the [TS]

01:22:15   entire post while some of the things I [TS]

01:22:17   point out are kind of you know [TS]

01:22:20   subtly in in comparisons to the current [TS]

01:22:24   model I never actually call out the [TS]

01:22:27   current model I never actually named it [TS]

01:22:28   I'm just talking about the context of [TS]

01:22:32   how great this laptop is and that's [TS]

01:22:33   really how I meant it you know the you [TS]

01:22:35   know certainly it's going to serve the [TS]

01:22:37   function also of serving as a critique [TS]

01:22:39   of the new ones but I didn't want this [TS]

01:22:42   to be a negative article I wanted this [TS]

01:22:44   to be a positive article about just how [TS]

01:22:45   much I love that generation of laptops [TS]

01:22:49   and the great thing is you can still buy [TS]

01:22:51   them if you if you if you agree with me [TS]

01:22:52   Apple still sells it still sells them [TS]

01:22:55   brand new if you score onto the bottom [TS]

01:22:57   of the 15-inch MacBook Pro by page they [TS]

01:22:59   still have this model brand-new you can [TS]

01:23:01   get them plentifully on ebay and other [TS]

01:23:03   resellers if you want to pay use instead [TS]

01:23:05   and so it's I just love this laptop a [TS]

01:23:09   lot and so I brought this big blog post [TS]

01:23:10   I took some pretty pictures of it and I [TS]

01:23:12   hire it's big blog post about just some [TS]

01:23:15   of the things about that I love so much [TS]

01:23:16   some of the good design decisions and [TS]

01:23:17   some of the things that just resonate [TS]

01:23:19   with me and just how nice it is and I [TS]

01:23:21   named it best laptop ever or something [TS]

01:23:25   like that and I thought well I had a [TS]

01:23:28   hard time coming up with a title for [TS]

01:23:30   this and I and when I decided to go with [TS]

01:23:31   that I thought boy am I gonna get hell [TS]

01:23:35   for this I like you put something on the [TS]

01:23:38   internet that says best ever and you're [TS]

01:23:41   gonna hear from a lot of people who [TS]

01:23:43   disagree with that [TS]

01:23:44   hey especially especially when the thing [TS]

01:23:49   you're saying is the best ever is not [TS]

01:23:52   the current thing and the people who [TS]

01:23:56   bought the current thing you're kind of [TS]

01:23:58   implicitly telling them you made a [TS]

01:24:00   mistake you made a bad buying decision [TS]

01:24:02   although I'm telling them from the [TS]

01:24:03   perspective that I too made that mistake [TS]

01:24:04   and I too bought the new one twice three [TS]

01:24:08   times if you count the escape and so I [TS]

01:24:13   expected this to be a highly [TS]

01:24:16   controversial article and I also thought [TS]

01:24:20   I must be the only person who cares as [TS]

01:24:23   much [TS]

01:24:23   about this generation of MacBook Pros is [TS]

01:24:26   no one's really talking about them [TS]

01:24:27   anymore and everyone's just kind of [TS]

01:24:29   swallowing the new ones and so I really [TS]

01:24:33   didn't I thought that this wouldn't go [TS]

01:24:35   that far and wide and that if it did the [TS]

01:24:39   response would be really really mixed [TS]

01:24:42   and I'd get a lot of complaints and a [TS]

01:24:44   lot of flaming and a lot of disagreement [TS]

01:24:46   about what was the best ever that was [TS]

01:24:50   totally not what happened it immediately [TS]

01:24:52   went very far and wide even like you [TS]

01:24:56   know top a hacker news immediately it [TS]

01:24:58   got you know all over the place even Mac [TS]

01:25:00   firm referred about it for some reason [TS]

01:25:01   even though it was not news at all [TS]

01:25:03   whatever and it went far and wide very [TS]

01:25:08   very quickly and the shocking thing to [TS]

01:25:11   me is that the response even on Hacker [TS]

01:25:15   News which is horrible the response [TS]

01:25:18   pretty much everywhere was nearly [TS]

01:25:22   universally positive and with very very [TS]

01:25:25   strong agreement not a hundred percent [TS]

01:25:28   agreement but like I can write the sky [TS]

01:25:31   is blue and I will get more disagreement [TS]

01:25:32   than what I got from saying this was the [TS]

01:25:35   best laptop ever and that's really [TS]

01:25:38   saying something like if Apple has any [TS]

01:25:40   reason to be concerned it's not that I [TS]

01:25:42   wrote this article they don't care about [TS]

01:25:44   that it's how many people agree with it [TS]

01:25:47   I have gotten I'm still every day still [TS]

01:25:50   responses from this but I got hundreds [TS]

01:25:54   of responses hundreds of comments on [TS]

01:25:56   other sites tons of inbound links and [TS]

01:26:00   almost all of them agreed and that to me [TS]

01:26:04   is shocking even the people who like and [TS]

01:26:07   I thought for I thought like maybe the [TS]

01:26:09   MacBook Air people would have a problem [TS]

01:26:11   with it or maybe the 13-inch MacBook Pro [TS]

01:26:14   people would have a problem with it and [TS]

01:26:15   they largely didn't even the people who [TS]

01:26:19   like those most of them said but you're [TS]

01:26:22   right so I am just blown away by how [TS]

01:26:27   much people agree with this and I got I [TS]

01:26:31   heard from lots of people both who have [TS]

01:26:32   the old laptops who you know who had the [TS]

01:26:35   2012 through 2015 [TS]

01:26:37   book pro who I've heard it from tons of [TS]

01:26:40   them [TS]

01:26:40   who said I'm holding on to mine I love [TS]

01:26:43   it I see no reason to upgrade I hope it [TS]

01:26:44   never dies tons of them who were like I [TS]

01:26:46   don't know what I'm gonna get when it [TS]

01:26:47   does die who I guess didn't know that [TS]

01:26:48   there still make these tons of people [TS]

01:26:51   who have the new ones and who regret it [TS]

01:26:55   and who wish they would have kept the [TS]

01:26:57   old one or have been thinking about [TS]

01:26:58   switching back to the old one a handful [TS]

01:27:00   of people who did what I did and who did [TS]

01:27:01   switch back to the old one and are very [TS]

01:27:03   happy having done that again I can't [TS]

01:27:05   underestimate I can't understate how [TS]

01:27:07   many people supported this this point of [TS]

01:27:10   view in their responses also I think [TS]

01:27:13   worrisome for Apple is pretty much no [TS]

01:27:17   one cares about the touch bar and in any [TS]

01:27:19   of these responses that the big [TS]

01:27:21   headlining feature of this laptop touch [TS]

01:27:23   bar not a lot of people care the few [TS]

01:27:26   people who disagreed with it [TS]

01:27:28   most of them decided that the best left [TS]

01:27:30   I've ever was actually a think pad I [TS]

01:27:32   disagree that wasn't me surprisingly [TS]

01:27:36   yeah like so you know the most of the [TS]

01:27:38   disagreement was once it's spread beyond [TS]

01:27:40   the Apple crowd that the PC people [TS]

01:27:42   really good though it's not it's the [TS]

01:27:44   best I've ever is not it's not an apple [TS]

01:27:46   you know but but they think they can [TS]

01:27:48   have that I guess no no that that is is [TS]

01:27:51   a die-hard I think Pat fan you are way [TS]

01:27:55   closer to right than they are so anyway [TS]

01:27:58   so if you if you rule out the windows [TS]

01:28:00   people the the biggest counter-argument [TS]

01:28:05   was that was was more theoretical it was [TS]

01:28:08   more like well someone needs to push the [TS]

01:28:11   industry forward and that's why Apple [TS]

01:28:13   needed to go all USB see what about the [TS]

01:28:15   original iMac going all USB blah blah [TS]

01:28:17   blah and most of those arguments were [TS]

01:28:19   honestly pretty bad I don't I disagree [TS]

01:28:22   with many of those arguments I don't [TS]

01:28:24   think we have time to talk about that I [TS]

01:28:25   don't really care but if we do I will [TS]

01:28:26   but for the most part the the response [TS]

01:28:29   was just so positive and almost none of [TS]

01:28:32   the people who disagreed even mentioned [TS]

01:28:34   the touch bar well I guess it wasn't a [TS]

01:28:36   surprise honestly but it was damning I [TS]

01:28:38   would say how few people cared about the [TS]

01:28:40   touch bar people to care about touch ID [TS]

01:28:42   sometimes even that not not as often as [TS]

01:28:45   I would have expected but for the most [TS]

01:28:47   part the touch bar didn't get much of I [TS]

01:28:49   mentioned [TS]

01:28:50   the the new keyboard does have some fans [TS]

01:28:53   people who said you know I prefer it and [TS]

01:28:54   that's fine I get that if you prefer it [TS]

01:28:56   that's fine I think we can all still [TS]

01:28:58   agree that it's unreliable for a lot of [TS]

01:29:00   people and that's a big problem but you [TS]

01:29:02   know for the people who like it you can [TS]

01:29:04   like it that's fine but I think the [TS]

01:29:05   whole package of the old one I just [TS]

01:29:07   loved so much and it just is a workhorse [TS]

01:29:10   it just works and works and works for [TS]

01:29:12   years and and some people did that did [TS]

01:29:15   point out that that generation has had [TS]

01:29:17   its issues you know the first one I got [TS]

01:29:18   in 2012 had image retention that was a [TS]

01:29:21   common thing that's why I made my little [TS]

01:29:22   grid page it was for the 2012 right I'm [TS]

01:29:24   a pro and over the years they seem to [TS]

01:29:26   have fix that so that had some issues [TS]

01:29:28   with some of those really screens if [TS]

01:29:29   they were made by algae instead of [TS]

01:29:30   Samsung that it had it has this [TS]

01:29:34   continued screen delamination problem [TS]

01:29:37   for some people that hasn't ever [TS]

01:29:39   affected me but well and the ones with [TS]

01:29:42   discrete GPUs as every MacBook Pro with [TS]

01:29:46   a discrete GPU has had in the last [TS]

01:29:48   probably decade or so those GPUs tend to [TS]

01:29:51   die at a higher rate than an average and [TS]

01:29:54   so that causes problems for people but [TS]

01:29:55   we but not only have they all done that [TS]

01:29:57   but we don't even know yet if the [TS]

01:29:59   current generation will also do that I [TS]

01:30:01   think it probably will so the overall [TS]

01:30:04   the response was great and pretty much [TS]

01:30:07   everybody agrees with me I guess except [TS]

01:30:08   casing so I think your point is fair and [TS]

01:30:16   I think part of the reason why you got [TS]

01:30:18   such good coverage of this is because [TS]

01:30:21   you did take the high road and said hey [TS]

01:30:22   rather than telling you about why [TS]

01:30:23   everything else is garbage let me tell [TS]

01:30:25   you why this is good and if that [TS]

01:30:26   implicitly means that other things are [TS]

01:30:27   garbage then so be it [TS]

01:30:29   the problem I have with it is that it is [TS]

01:30:34   far more absolute or it reads is far [TS]

01:30:40   more absolute then then I think is [TS]

01:30:42   really true you know this the best [TS]

01:30:44   laptop ever made period I mean it's not [TS]

01:30:46   the best laptop for Marco it's the best [TS]

01:30:48   laptop ever made and this is it yeah you [TS]

01:30:51   know the look at your opening paragraph [TS]

01:30:52   Apple has made many great laptops 15 [TS]

01:30:54   inch retina MacBook Pro 2012 2015 is he [TS]

01:30:56   epitome of usefulness elegance and [TS]

01:30:57   practicality and power for an overall [TS]

01:30:59   package that still hasn't been and may [TS]

01:31:00   never be surpassed [TS]

01:31:01   like it's number it's not an [TS]

01:31:04   unreasonable thesis but it's I feel like [TS]

01:31:08   just some degree this entire article was [TS]

01:31:09   that's fine for Marco and then and [TS]

01:31:11   that's okay [TS]

01:31:12   I mean it's Marco org it's not it's not [TS]

01:31:13   people that are like Marco org it's [TS]

01:31:16   Marco to work so I mean to some degree I [TS]

01:31:18   really need to give you a bye on this [TS]

01:31:20   but that's that's I think we're my [TS]

01:31:21   primary complaint lies is that there are [TS]

01:31:24   there are other uses for Mac laptops [TS]

01:31:26   besides what you need to do as an [TS]

01:31:29   example a lot of people and I think you [TS]

01:31:32   were one of them had had many many [TS]

01:31:36   beehives full of bees and their bonnets [TS]

01:31:39   about the removal of the SD card slot in [TS]

01:31:42   your right and and you were particularly [TS]

01:31:45   perturbed about the removal of the SD [TS]

01:31:47   card slot obviously I have no idea how [TS]

01:31:50   many people do or do not use the SD card [TS]

01:31:52   slot but I can tell you that I had never [TS]

01:31:56   ever ever used an SD card reader ever [TS]

01:31:58   until 2014 when I bought our big camera [TS]

01:32:02   and I would argue that most people that [TS]

01:32:07   I know anyway don't have big fancy [TS]

01:32:09   cameras that take SD cards so to me if [TS]

01:32:14   you were to lament the loss of the SD [TS]

01:32:17   card slot that's fine for mark oh really [TS]

01:32:20   I guess the loss is not fine for mark oh [TS]

01:32:22   but you know what I mean like for you [TS]

01:32:24   that's a big friggin problem and I'm not [TS]

01:32:26   trying to patronize you like it for you [TS]

01:32:27   that is a big friggin problem that's a [TS]

01:32:30   big deal but for me it may not be as it [TS]

01:32:33   turns out it actually is but do you see [TS]

01:32:37   what I'm driving at and so I think I [TS]

01:32:40   think that the thing is is that I have [TS]

01:32:44   one of these computers that I use every [TS]

01:32:47   single day because that's my work [TS]

01:32:48   computer and you know what it's a damn [TS]

01:32:50   fine computer it really really is but [TS]

01:32:53   there's a lot that I wish was different [TS]

01:32:55   about it as a perfect example I wish it [TS]

01:32:58   had the new keyboard until it inevitably [TS]

01:33:01   breaks but until that moment I wish have [TS]

01:33:03   had the new keyboard because when I type [TS]

01:33:04   on this thing when I go from my magic [TS]

01:33:06   key my beloved magic keyboard to this it [TS]

01:33:09   feels like I've gone from a steel roller [TS]

01:33:12   coaster to a wooden roller [TS]

01:33:14   everything is creaky and loose and just [TS]

01:33:17   mushy and just just gross and I I can't [TS]

01:33:24   it's not fair of me to just hand wave [TS]

01:33:26   away the reliability problems are the [TS]

01:33:28   new keyboards and I recognize that [TS]

01:33:30   that's not fair but for me I'd love the [TS]

01:33:33   feel of the new keyboards if they could [TS]

01:33:35   only make a reliable version of it it [TS]

01:33:36   would be tremendous well and they have [TS]

01:33:40   that's not a great counter-argument like [TS]

01:33:41   until they don't is until they can make [TS]

01:33:43   that keyboard without pretty horrible [TS]

01:33:46   side effects then you can't say well I [TS]

01:33:50   wish they had that keyboard everywhere [TS]

01:33:51   because trust me you don't you're right [TS]

01:33:53   in now in my defense my beloved MacBook [TS]

01:33:58   adorable has yet to have any keyboard [TS]

01:34:00   problems that compressed air couldn't [TS]

01:34:03   fix it but I haven't had and to be fair [TS]

01:34:07   to you I didn't have compressed air in [TS]

01:34:10   the house I had to buy myself compressed [TS]

01:34:13   air to fix my six month old laptop what [TS]

01:34:16   year is this pretty freakin preposterous [TS]

01:34:17   and like and how often did you have to [TS]

01:34:19   use compressed air to fix your keyboard [TS]

01:34:21   I'm the one that you could that you [TS]

01:34:22   don't like I never write but it feels [TS]

01:34:25   like mush though right I really do it [TS]

01:34:29   and I do I I also I want to push back a [TS]

01:34:32   little bit on what you said about the SD [TS]

01:34:33   card slot also because you know it seems [TS]

01:34:35   like one of the counter arguments to [TS]

01:34:37   this or one of the general arguments in [TS]

01:34:39   support of the new direction Apple's [TS]

01:34:41   taken is you know the whole thing about [TS]

01:34:43   moving forward and everything people [TS]

01:34:45   always say well if we dabble didn't move [TS]

01:34:46   forward we'd still have VGA ports and [TS]

01:34:48   guess what the world does still have EGA [TS]

01:34:50   ports I believe I made that exact [TS]

01:34:51   argument right you're not the only one [TS]

01:34:53   but like the there there seems to be [TS]

01:34:56   like a few like like brain virus themes [TS]

01:35:00   among defenders where they repeat back [TS]

01:35:04   some kind of dogma that doesn't actually [TS]

01:35:07   apply very well or is not a very good [TS]

01:35:08   argument and you know the the imac going [TS]

01:35:12   all USB is a great one which doesn't [TS]

01:35:13   apply at all because that was one [TS]

01:35:15   desktop going all USB a consumer level [TS]

01:35:18   one no less in a lineup that had plenty [TS]

01:35:21   of other options that didn't go all USB [TS]

01:35:23   and also it went all us being it was a [TS]

01:35:25   big problem [TS]

01:35:27   hidden away and then future versions [TS]

01:35:30   added back a lot of ports that weren't [TS]

01:35:31   you that's B so that's that's of one bad [TS]

01:35:35   example there were you know other ones [TS]

01:35:38   you know things like like VGA ports you [TS]

01:35:41   know well VGA ports like people still [TS]

01:35:44   complain well yeah you know what VGA [TS]

01:35:45   ports are still around because they're [TS]

01:35:46   still unwanted projectors and stuff and [TS]

01:35:47   that's reality that's fine you know [TS]

01:35:49   there's all sorts of bad examples but I [TS]

01:35:51   think one of the thought viruses that [TS]

01:35:54   that is common among Apple defenders is [TS]

01:35:56   that if something is not used very often [TS]

01:36:00   but or by a large percentage of people [TS]

01:36:03   it should be removed that that the [TS]

01:36:04   removal in and of itself is progress and [TS]

01:36:09   that's not always the case you know [TS]

01:36:13   there like every Apple product every [TS]

01:36:16   desktop every laptop every phone I have [TS]

01:36:18   ever owned has features on it that I [TS]

01:36:21   have never used for instance on my [TS]

01:36:25   macbook pro on all MacBook Pros [TS]

01:36:27   including the current ones I never use [TS]

01:36:30   the front-facing camera for anything [TS]

01:36:32   ever I don't take selfies and if I'm [TS]

01:36:35   going to use FaceTime I use it on my [TS]

01:36:38   phone or my or an iPad I never use the [TS]

01:36:41   front-facing camera on a Mac for [TS]

01:36:43   anything but it has them should they [TS]

01:36:47   remove the front-facing camera because I [TS]

01:36:49   don't use it [TS]

01:36:50   no because its presence there doesn't [TS]

01:36:53   affect me in any way it's an inexpensive [TS]

01:36:55   part very expensive example never [TS]

01:36:57   updates them in there they're always [TS]

01:36:58   terrible oh it's an inexpensive part it [TS]

01:37:02   doesn't add a meaningful amount of size [TS]

01:37:04   or weight or technical complexity in a [TS]

01:37:06   way that gets in my way at all and for [TS]

01:37:08   the few people who do use them it's [TS]

01:37:11   there and if I ever really need it it's [TS]

01:37:15   there for me too so even if I think I'll [TS]

01:37:17   never use it it's there similarly I [TS]

01:37:19   never use video output on my laptops [TS]

01:37:22   because that's just on how I use laptops [TS]

01:37:24   I don't have to connect into projectors [TS]

01:37:26   really ever and I don't use it at home [TS]

01:37:28   like that and so I don't need I don't [TS]

01:37:30   need I never used the HDMI port on my [TS]

01:37:32   laptops before when they still had those [TS]

01:37:34   and with the new ones I never use video [TS]

01:37:36   output on them either should they remove [TS]

01:37:38   it because not a lot of people use it [TS]

01:37:40   because it doesn't get in the way at all [TS]

01:37:42   it doesn't matter at all that I never [TS]

01:37:44   use it it's not a problem in my life at [TS]

01:37:46   all if I ever need it it's there and [TS]

01:37:48   it's there without me having to buy [TS]

01:37:50   anything so like if I happen to be like [TS]

01:37:53   in a hotel room or something and all of [TS]

01:37:55   a sudden oh crap I have a quick need to [TS]

01:37:58   show something for my laptop on this TV [TS]

01:37:59   that has an HDMI port I can just take a [TS]

01:38:02   regular HDMI cable it's probably already [TS]

01:38:03   behind the TV unplug it from whatever [TS]

01:38:06   garbage DVD player that's already there [TS]

01:38:07   and plugs my laptop and haven't and I [TS]

01:38:09   didn't need to go to an Apple store and [TS]

01:38:10   buy a dongle I can use what I already [TS]

01:38:12   have and that will probably suffice that [TS]

01:38:15   is called versatility so when you when a [TS]

01:38:19   computer has things on it that you might [TS]

01:38:22   not think you need it there is still [TS]

01:38:25   value to have them be available just in [TS]

01:38:27   case you do need them sometime and as [TS]

01:38:30   long as they are not really getting in [TS]

01:38:32   the way like it was not necessary when [TS]

01:38:36   designing the 2012 MacBook Pro to get [TS]

01:38:39   rid of all these ports for like fitness [TS]

01:38:42   or lightness reasons or anything else [TS]

01:38:43   they're all pretty thin they're all [TS]

01:38:45   pretty light they don't add a lot of [TS]

01:38:46   cost or complexity or anything else that [TS]

01:38:47   left them in because people use them [TS]

01:38:50   sometimes on the new ones I don't know [TS]

01:38:54   the details of exactly what would have [TS]

01:38:55   fit in the slightly thinner case by the [TS]

01:38:58   way using the old one don't notice the [TS]

01:39:01   thickness difference at all don't notice [TS]

01:39:02   the weight difference at all but that's [TS]

01:39:03   fine you might that's good for you in [TS]

01:39:06   the new ones wouldn't have killed them [TS]

01:39:08   could they have included an SD card slot [TS]

01:39:11   for people who use that and need that I [TS]

01:39:13   think they probably could could they [TS]

01:39:16   have included any other ports I think [TS]

01:39:18   probably yes [TS]

01:39:19   they didn't as a feature because this [TS]

01:39:22   the thinking that removing things is [TS]

01:39:25   itself a feature has infected Apple to [TS]

01:39:27   the highest levels in addition to the [TS]

01:39:29   Apple defenders so now Apple views it as [TS]

01:39:32   progress or courage whatever word they [TS]

01:39:34   want to use and all the defenders [TS]

01:39:36   support this that removing things is [TS]

01:39:39   itself a commendable thing and it's [TS]

01:39:42   quote moving forward which is a [TS]

01:39:44   meaningless phrase moving forward only [TS]

01:39:46   means doing what we did this year like [TS]

01:39:47   it's not there is no such thing like [TS]

01:39:49   moving forward suggests there's like a [TS]

01:39:51   certain like there's one future that [TS]

01:39:53   you're moving towards inevitably [TS]

01:39:54   that's not true at all like you create [TS]

01:39:55   that future anyway that's that's a BS [TS]

01:39:57   phrase it bothers me but the idea that [TS]

01:40:00   removing things is itself something that [TS]

01:40:03   we should do as soon as we can we should [TS]

01:40:04   drop things as soon as we can that's not [TS]

01:40:07   true for everything and I think the more [TS]

01:40:09   high-end and pro you get with computing [TS]

01:40:13   gear the less true that becomes because [TS]

01:40:16   what pros need is not only for their [TS]

01:40:18   gear including their keyboards to work [TS]

01:40:20   incredibly reliably as reliably as [TS]

01:40:22   possible but also pros need that [TS]

01:40:25   versatility pros need the idea that if [TS]

01:40:27   you're gonna be traveling somewhere with [TS]

01:40:29   your gear or on some are honest set or [TS]

01:40:31   instrument production environment and [TS]

01:40:33   something comes up that you didn't [TS]

01:40:35   foresee and because you didn't foresee [TS]

01:40:38   it you probably don't have the right [TS]

01:40:39   dongle if it's true Pro gear it will try [TS]

01:40:43   to accommodate as many of those [TS]

01:40:44   situations as possible [TS]

01:40:46   that's what pros actually need an apple [TS]

01:40:49   has been great at doing that in the past [TS]

01:40:51   and now they're really taking I think a [TS]

01:40:55   pretty quick nosedive in that area and I [TS]

01:40:59   really really love so much of the old [TS]

01:41:02   one because it has so much of his [TS]

01:41:03   versatility and the new one took us such [TS]

01:41:07   a stark change such a rapid turn in the [TS]

01:41:11   other direction that's why I bugs me so [TS]

01:41:13   much see you know I understand [TS]

01:41:17   everything you just said and I can't [TS]

01:41:20   with an honest heart sit here and say [TS]

01:41:21   you're wrong but I can say I look at it [TS]

01:41:24   differently you said just a moment ago [TS]

01:41:26   if it's true boat ProGear it will try to [TS]

01:41:29   accommodate as many of these situations [TS]

01:41:30   these basically oh crap situations as [TS]

01:41:33   possible there is a very compelling [TS]

01:41:36   argument that you just made that the [TS]

01:41:39   best way to do that is to have as many [TS]

01:41:40   ports as possible on that device and as [TS]

01:41:43   many different kinds of ports as [TS]

01:41:45   possible on that device but another [TS]

01:41:48   approach is what if you had one port [TS]

01:41:51   that can do anything in which case yes [TS]

01:41:54   you're right Marko that I would have to [TS]

01:41:56   carry an HDMI dongle with me full-stop [TS]

01:41:58   there's nothing I can do to argue that [TS]

01:41:59   fact and buy one for $80 and by oh I [TS]

01:42:02   didn't pay 80 for mine but you're still [TS]

01:42:04   more right than you are wrong yeah I [TS]

01:42:05   would have to buy one [TS]

01:42:06   but the fact of the matter is for any [TS]

01:42:10   situation that I Casey could possibly [TS]

01:42:13   face any situation that I would that I [TS]

01:42:16   would want to be prepared for I have [TS]

01:42:20   three different USBC things that I would [TS]

01:42:23   need to carry with me none of which are [TS]

01:42:25   particularly large one of them is triple [TS]

01:42:27   old USB and Ethernet one of them is HDMI [TS]

01:42:30   and pass through USB C and by the way [TS]

01:42:32   has a old usb on it and what was the [TS]

01:42:35   other one shoot [TS]

01:42:36   oh they the USB Sita lightning adapter [TS]

01:42:39   which truth be told I could just use one [TS]

01:42:42   of the dongles and in a traditional [TS]

01:42:44   cable so I think the problem is is that [TS]

01:42:48   your perception of versatility is [TS]

01:42:53   requiring nothing but the device in my I [TS]

01:42:57   shouldn't say that that I don't agree [TS]

01:43:00   with that I'm implying I don't agree [TS]

01:43:01   with you I do agree with you but another [TS]

01:43:03   perception of versatility is we have one [TS]

01:43:07   port that can do friggin anything it can [TS]

01:43:11   do anything so if you need an SD card [TS]

01:43:14   reader Marco and actually I do and come [TS]

01:43:16   to think of it maybe that would be [TS]

01:43:17   number four dongle number for like cats [TS]

01:43:21   you think you have two and then [TS]

01:43:22   eventually it may be more like rabbits [TS]

01:43:25   than cats but but you know what I mean [TS]

01:43:29   like a finding this SD card reader then [TS]

01:43:31   fine I pay ten dollars or 12 or whatever [TS]

01:43:32   wasn't mana price to get one but for [TS]

01:43:35   Aaron who doesn't need one she doesn't [TS]

01:43:39   have to have one her computer has one I [TS]

01:43:41   know you know what I'm saying though you [TS]

01:43:46   know what I'm saying and so it what was [TS]

01:43:49   the other one oh like Ethernet ports [TS]

01:43:51   like no normal human needs Ethernet [TS]

01:43:53   ports anymore I do because I'm a weirdo [TS]

01:43:55   you do because you're a weirdo but no [TS]

01:43:58   normal human needs Ethernet ports [TS]

01:43:59   anymore this is where the entire in its [TS]

01:44:01   gonna write into actually you really do [TS]

01:44:03   new teeth reports for the Ethernet ports [TS]

01:44:04   for this then okay fine whatever [TS]

01:44:05   but I would say most people who buy [TS]

01:44:08   MacBook Pros don't need Ethernet ports [TS]

01:44:09   and I think the problem that you and I [TS]

01:44:11   have is actually the same problem and [TS]

01:44:13   although we disagree on the best [TS]

01:44:15   possible mechanism for fixing the [TS]

01:44:17   problem I think I share most [TS]

01:44:20   of your complaints and I think that by [TS]

01:44:23   and large were of the same mind even if [TS]

01:44:25   we're arguing about the particulars and [TS]

01:44:26   I think the real honest-to-goodness [TS]

01:44:28   problem and I read this I'm parroting [TS]

01:44:30   somebody maybe it was you for all I know [TS]

01:44:32   but somebody said to me Mary was John [TS]

01:44:33   somebody said recently the problem is [TS]

01:44:35   the lack of diversity in the lineup that [TS]

01:44:38   Jason's no there oh is that who it was [TS]

01:44:40   okay thank you there's no like 17-inch [TS]

01:44:44   aircraft carrier option and I bring that [TS]

01:44:47   up not because I think 17 inches is the [TS]

01:44:48   right answer although here again all the [TS]

01:44:50   fanboys for the 17 are gonna come out of [TS]

01:44:51   the woodwork but there's no way for you [TS]

01:44:54   to get the Mac Pro god help me laptop's [TS]

01:44:59   right there's no way for you to say [TS]

01:45:01   money be damned maybe even portability [TS]

01:45:05   be damned maybe I want the most flexible [TS]

01:45:10   versatile device I can get by both [TS]

01:45:13   definitions I want a couple of USB C [TS]

01:45:14   ports I want a couple of USB whatever [TS]

01:45:16   the hell the old one is I want a seat I [TS]

01:45:19   want SD card reader he'll give me a [TS]

01:45:22   thicker computer so I can have onboard [TS]

01:45:23   Ethernet I'll take it whatever and I [TS]

01:45:26   think the problem is that there's no [TS]

01:45:28   option for that and so I think it would [TS]

01:45:32   make all of us feel better if there was [TS]

01:45:35   an option because at least then we could [TS]

01:45:37   say you know what I really don't want to [TS]

01:45:41   have to buy the aircraft carrier laptop [TS]

01:45:43   but it's worth it to me because I want [TS]

01:45:46   all of these things and that's what [TS]

01:45:48   stinks and I think that and it might [TS]

01:45:50   have been you that said months ago the [TS]

01:45:53   problem with one of the problems with [TS]

01:45:54   MacBook Pro is that pro implies things [TS]

01:45:57   but the reality of the situation is the [TS]

01:45:59   MacBook Pro is the every person computer [TS]

01:46:01   unless you want an adorable which I [TS]

01:46:03   would argue is a much more niche device [TS]

01:46:05   or a MacBook Air of course but does that [TS]

01:46:08   make sense like the MacBook Pro is [TS]

01:46:10   covering college students who are doing [TS]

01:46:12   nothing but Google Docs all the way up [TS]

01:46:14   through you know people are doing Final [TS]

01:46:17   Cut Pro on film sets in and doing 3d [TS]

01:46:20   rendering your VR development like [TS]

01:46:22   spoiler VR people can't expect right now [TS]

01:46:26   with the external GPUs yes I know okay [TS]

01:46:29   right so I think the problem is what's [TS]

01:46:32   now had [TS]

01:46:34   I think a little while ago now was that [TS]

01:46:36   there are there is no choice and that [TS]

01:46:39   means that if I want to choose to have [TS]

01:46:44   more ports or if I want to choose to [TS]

01:46:46   have a laptop that is actually reliable [TS]

01:46:48   or a keyboard that's actually reliable [TS]

01:46:50   I'm screwed because I got nothing it's [TS]

01:46:52   then I'm good buying a think pad and [TS]

01:46:54   that's not a fun place to be [TS]

01:46:55   or 2015 which is still a valid choice [TS]

01:46:57   they won't be in forever but right now [TS]

01:46:58   adays yeah no I mean that's that's all [TS]

01:47:02   very very fair and and I will say also [TS]

01:47:04   you know to to defend to refute [TS]

01:47:06   something which you didn't quite argue [TS]

01:47:07   but that people will hear in your [TS]

01:47:08   argument and will argue with me against [TS]

01:47:10   it [TS]

01:47:11   sorry USBC can be great you had the the [TS]

01:47:16   idea of having versatile USB seaports on [TS]

01:47:19   a laptop is is great and you're right [TS]

01:47:22   that USB C port scan offer a great [TS]

01:47:24   degree of versatility my problem with [TS]

01:47:27   USB C one of my problems the USB see a [TS]

01:47:29   whole article about some other ones but [TS]

01:47:31   one of my problems with USB C is that I [TS]

01:47:34   don't think that I don't think the [TS]

01:47:37   ecosystem is ready for that to be our [TS]

01:47:38   only port I think I think the the last [TS]

01:47:42   year or so has has really supported that [TS]

01:47:45   view that the ecosystem just is not [TS]

01:47:47   there and it's going to be maybe be a [TS]

01:47:49   few more years before it's there and one [TS]

01:47:51   of the counter-arguments I've heard over [TS]

01:47:52   the last few days about this is Apple [TS]

01:47:55   needed to do this because it would push [TS]

01:47:56   the industry to finally make more USB C [TS]

01:47:59   peripherals just like the iMac push them [TS]

01:48:01   to make USB peripherals to things a the [TS]

01:48:04   iMac didn't push them to make USB [TS]

01:48:06   peripherals the iMac wasn't that popular [TS]

01:48:07   relative to the entire world of pcs the [TS]

01:48:10   entire world of pcs was already making [TS]

01:48:12   USB peripherals they were going to make [TS]

01:48:14   them anyway and it just so happened the [TS]

01:48:15   Mac benefited from some of them with the [TS]

01:48:17   iMac secondly the the the idea that [TS]

01:48:21   Apple going all USB C will push the [TS]

01:48:24   energy to make USB C peripherals that's [TS]

01:48:27   a great theory so far that hasn't [TS]

01:48:29   happened [TS]

01:48:30   the original USB see MacBook the map [TS]

01:48:33   book 1 slash adorable slash 12-inch came [TS]

01:48:36   out now but two and a half years ago [TS]

01:48:37   that would that was the first Mac with [TS]

01:48:39   you it with USB C port and MacBook Pros [TS]

01:48:42   went all USB C now a little over a year [TS]

01:48:44   ago [TS]

01:48:45   and we still have a fair [TS]

01:48:47   immature fairly incomplete and fairly [TS]

01:48:50   unreliable selection of USBC gear out [TS]

01:48:53   there it's still a really immature and [TS]

01:48:56   inconsistent market that has a lot of [TS]

01:48:58   big holes in it I don't think that the [TS]

01:49:01   industry has been forced by Apple to [TS]

01:49:03   make great stuff the reality is there's [TS]

01:49:07   a lot of media crap and some of its good [TS]

01:49:09   most of it isn't [TS]

01:49:10   I think if Apple would have continued to [TS]

01:49:14   ship old ports alongside USBC basically [TS]

01:49:17   like if you SBC ports became the new [TS]

01:49:20   Thunderbolt ports where most Apple [TS]

01:49:23   laptops would have two of them along [TS]

01:49:25   with other ones you know maybe it meet [TS]

01:49:27   you know me and maybe you can keep maybe [TS]

01:49:28   even have for them on the on a MacBook [TS]

01:49:30   Pro on the fifth the big ones you know [TS]

01:49:32   and and because you know you can do that [TS]

01:49:35   there they're pretty small there you [TS]

01:49:37   know they have very high technical needs [TS]

01:49:39   you know the idea that all of them can [TS]

01:49:41   be charging ports and Thunderbolt ports [TS]

01:49:44   means that Apple pretty much can't make [TS]

01:49:47   say a 15-inch with six of them are eight [TS]

01:49:49   of them because they can do too much you [TS]

01:49:52   know whereas like the old ones you can [TS]

01:49:56   connect a total of more devices before [TS]

01:49:59   you have to go to dongles or hubs [TS]

01:50:01   because some of those ports are pretty [TS]

01:50:04   simple to add there you know that [TS]

01:50:05   they're pretty low needs dumb ports on [TS]

01:50:08   the old ones but when every single port [TS]

01:50:10   you add has to be able to charge the [TS]

01:50:12   computer and be a thunderbolt port by [TS]

01:50:14   your own design you can't have as many [TS]

01:50:16   of them that you know that you run into [TS]

01:50:18   issues with maximum bandwidth on the [TS]

01:50:19   Thunderbolt controllers you know [TS]

01:50:21   chipsets costs running wires etc so I [TS]

01:50:24   think the better way to do this [TS]

01:50:26   transition would have been you know have [TS]

01:50:30   an actual transition happen not just [TS]

01:50:32   like jumping to the deep end with all [TS]

01:50:33   USBC to have an intermediary generation [TS]

01:50:36   or at least like a high-end model like [TS]

01:50:38   at least the 15-inch where there's more [TS]

01:50:40   room for things and more budget for [TS]

01:50:42   things have an intermediate where like [TS]

01:50:44   you basically have some of the old ports [TS]

01:50:47   and an SD card reader and some like that [TS]

01:50:49   and then you you have replaced [TS]

01:50:51   thunderbolt ports with USBC ports that [TS]

01:50:54   would have been great if that laptop [TS]

01:50:56   would ever exist from Apple that would [TS]

01:50:58   have a high chance of being the best [TS]

01:51:00   laptop ever be [TS]

01:51:01   because then you have all the [TS]

01:51:02   versatility of USBC you have the higher [TS]

01:51:04   bandwidth for the higher you know needs [TS]

01:51:05   of it for things like 5k displays that [TS]

01:51:07   would be awesome but then you don't have [TS]

01:51:10   to I don't think I think in this world I [TS]

01:51:12   don't think you have to give up the [TS]

01:51:14   versatility of having one or two USB a [TS]

01:51:16   ports on there also and having an SD [TS]

01:51:18   card reader and maybe an HDMI port [TS]

01:51:20   because these are things that are either [TS]

01:51:23   difficult clunky or unreliable to do [TS]

01:51:25   with adapters and dongles so far that [TS]

01:51:28   would have been a very different [TS]

01:51:29   reception to this machine I think than [TS]

01:51:31   what we actually got John you've been [TS]

01:51:34   quiet I did already talked a lot about [TS]

01:51:37   this today's episode of upgrade I [TS]

01:51:41   haven't more in-depth commentary for me [TS]

01:51:43   on this but I did one thing I didn't [TS]

01:51:45   talk about specifically about this [TS]

01:51:46   article is and I just scroll through it [TS]

01:51:48   again to see if I was mistaken [TS]

01:51:50   I seem to have recalled something in the [TS]

01:51:53   article it's not actually there but I [TS]

01:51:54   think it's kind of implied and this is [TS]

01:51:57   not really the substance of what you're [TS]

01:51:59   talking about so I apologize but like [TS]

01:52:01   the title is the best laps I've ever [TS]

01:52:03   made and the the implied thing that I [TS]

01:52:05   thought was there but doesn't seem to be [TS]

01:52:06   is that part of what makes it the best [TS]

01:52:10   is what Marco has talked about before [TS]

01:52:12   they're like it's not actually that much [TS]

01:52:14   slower than the current ones because [TS]

01:52:16   Intel's progress on their laptop CPUs [TS]

01:52:19   hasn't been that great and because you [TS]

01:52:21   know like think it's not it doesn't feel [TS]

01:52:23   like you're using an old computer and [TS]

01:52:25   part of that like that's what I'm [TS]

01:52:27   wrapping up this like okay well I can [TS]

01:52:29   see where you come from this article [TS]

01:52:30   because if that's part of your [TS]

01:52:31   definition what that does is it excludes [TS]

01:52:35   all the other laptops it excludes the [TS]

01:52:38   power book 101 70 it excludes the wall [TS]

01:52:40   street's it excludes the Thai book it [TS]

01:52:42   excludes the 13-inch MacBook Air because [TS]

01:52:44   all those are really old and really slow [TS]

01:52:47   by modern standards or don't have Retina [TS]

01:52:49   screen so don't have color screens or [TS]

01:52:50   whatever the case may be right and if [TS]

01:52:54   you narrow your definition in that way [TS]

01:52:58   the only real contenders are the other [TS]

01:53:01   laptops that can kind of hang with the [TS]

01:53:03   modern ones so that's basically just [TS]

01:53:05   this generation which Apple still sells [TS]

01:53:07   and maybe one generation before you can [TS]

01:53:10   make some arguments for depending on how [TS]

01:53:12   you're going to do trade-offs or [TS]

01:53:13   whatever and [TS]

01:53:14   I think that narrowing of the definition [TS]

01:53:17   is lessens the idea that this is the [TS]

01:53:21   best laptop ever made because if I'm [TS]

01:53:23   thinking of the best laptop I read I'm [TS]

01:53:25   not going to put that qualifier on I'm [TS]

01:53:26   not gonna say I don't by the way it has [TS]

01:53:27   to be like something that is that I [TS]

01:53:29   could reasonably use today and it [TS]

01:53:31   wouldn't feel slow because that includes [TS]

01:53:33   too many great laptops and then you know [TS]

01:53:36   if and I think most people took that [TS]

01:53:38   implicit framing right because if they [TS]

01:53:40   didn't everyone would be you know bullet [TS]

01:53:42   coming out of the woodwork and saying [TS]

01:53:43   that their old favorite laptop from like [TS]

01:53:44   20 years ago or something right it's the [TS]

01:53:46   best one arguably to think that people [TS]

01:53:48   are actually doing that but modern thing [TS]

01:53:50   pads are really as great as whatever one [TS]

01:53:52   they're trying to decide I have no idea [TS]

01:53:53   they're not even though I would probably [TS]

01:53:55   go for like the 2011 ish 13-inch MacBook [TS]

01:53:58   Air as a better overall laptop this one [TS]

01:54:01   big is this 15-inch like you know you've [TS]

01:54:04   heard my complaint said before but like [TS]

01:54:05   design wise like the keyboard is too [TS]

01:54:06   small the the arrow keys should be [TS]

01:54:09   full-sized not like the current ones but [TS]

01:54:11   like an actual inverted T that Dix tends [TS]

01:54:13   downward from the keyboard like it is [TS]

01:54:15   very wide at large and not particularly [TS]

01:54:19   portable as far as portables go and I [TS]

01:54:21   just feel like the 13-inch air is a [TS]

01:54:22   better laptop but you're not gonna use a [TS]

01:54:24   13-inch air to get your job done today [TS]

01:54:25   it is slower and it's worse and it's [TS]

01:54:28   non-retina and it's just you know it's [TS]

01:54:29   not a better laptop in this but if you [TS]

01:54:31   do best ever made you know so that is [TS]

01:54:33   anyway that is more of a meta issue that [TS]

01:54:35   I think you know I think most people [TS]

01:54:39   took it in the spirit that Marko [TS]

01:54:40   intended it but the the title doesn't [TS]

01:54:42   doesn't reflect that and that the spirit [TS]

01:54:45   Marko intended it excludes [TS]

01:54:47   uh you know saves him from a lot of [TS]

01:54:50   criticism that would be warranted if the [TS]

01:54:54   scope was widened up because honestly I [TS]

01:54:56   don't think this laptop in the in the [TS]

01:54:58   pantheon of Apple laptops is the best [TS]

01:55:02   one or two or three like it's maybe in [TS]

01:55:04   the top five really but you know it [TS]

01:55:07   really depends like I was never I was [TS]

01:55:10   never in love with this model of laptop [TS]

01:55:12   and I there are a lot of things about it [TS]

01:55:14   that are suboptimal it only really [TS]

01:55:17   shines when you consider that hey it's [TS]

01:55:19   still a pretty great laptop and when and [TS]

01:55:22   when you you know whether again implied [TS]

01:55:24   and that supposedly stated when you [TS]

01:55:26   start to compare it to [TS]

01:55:27   the 2016-2017 months because I don't [TS]

01:55:31   think those laptop struck a good balance [TS]

01:55:32   and I don't think a lot of people really [TS]

01:55:34   love them and I think the touch bar is [TS]

01:55:35   kind of a dud and all the things that we [TS]

01:55:37   talked about a million times that that's [TS]

01:55:39   sort of the opposite of reflected glory [TS]

01:55:41   like you know as compared to the current [TS]

01:55:44   line suddenly this 2015 looks a hell of [TS]

01:55:47   a lot better and I feel like that sort [TS]

01:55:48   of the opposite of the basking in the [TS]

01:55:51   reflected glory like I'd be basking in [TS]

01:55:53   the reflected crappiness of the the [TS]

01:55:56   modern ones is what makes this laptop [TS]

01:55:58   seem so great so I think this is more [TS]

01:56:00   like how Marco has found love with it [TS]

01:56:03   with an older computer it's really not [TS]

01:56:07   that much older but is less about in the [TS]

01:56:10   pantheon of all laptops or even just all [TS]

01:56:13   Apple portables how great this one [TS]

01:56:14   particular model is because there there [TS]

01:56:17   are many things to not recommend this [TS]

01:56:19   model and when I look at it all I can [TS]

01:56:20   see is all the things I've always [TS]

01:56:21   complained about it that I just feel [TS]

01:56:23   like this exact laptop could have been [TS]

01:56:25   better with all the same features but [TS]

01:56:26   but that's not what we're talking about [TS]

01:56:27   here that sometimes already get hung up [TS]

01:56:29   on that but that's this that's what I [TS]

01:56:30   came away from sorry the larger point [TS]

01:56:32   about the balance being struck what I'm [TS]

01:56:34   you know the mark I said before that so [TS]

01:56:37   many people agree with it the main thing [TS]

01:56:38   I am i I kind of can't get past is the [TS]

01:56:43   idea that like so many so many of the [TS]

01:56:47   people so often when you complain about [TS]

01:56:48   a product like I don't know what Apple [TS]

01:56:51   should have done instead but I don't [TS]

01:56:53   like this one and it's not really [TS]

01:56:54   helpful and it's kind of apples job to [TS]

01:56:56   figure out like you know it's not it's [TS]

01:56:57   not customers job to tell Apple exactly [TS]

01:56:59   what to do they just can be satisfied or [TS]

01:57:01   not satisfied and their customer sad [TS]

01:57:03   about their but in the case of the new [TS]

01:57:05   laptops I think people who have [TS]

01:57:09   complaints know exactly what they [TS]

01:57:13   specifically want that like that it [TS]

01:57:14   would be so easy to make a laptop that [TS]

01:57:17   was satisfied all the people who were [TS]

01:57:19   dissatisfied with the current one like [TS]

01:57:21   and maybe it's 17 different laptops from [TS]

01:57:24   17 different people but there's no [TS]

01:57:26   mystery like and you know just you know [TS]

01:57:28   experience of dealing with this input [TS]

01:57:29   and going conference rooms if you're in [TS]

01:57:31   a conference room every single day and [TS]

01:57:33   you constantly have to deal with that [TS]

01:57:34   dongle to plug in HDMI all people are [TS]

01:57:37   not there's no mystery they say put an [TS]

01:57:38   HDMI port on right yep I would be [TS]

01:57:41   I you know can you make this computer [TS]

01:57:43   better put max iPhone app an HDMI port [TS]

01:57:45   an SD part like and throw that in front [TS]

01:57:47   of all these people actually that would [TS]

01:57:50   probably be enough it really and they'll [TS]

01:57:52   be like well you know I don't use the [TS]

01:57:54   HDMI but I care about the SD I don't use [TS]

01:57:56   the SD but I care about the HDMI I don't [TS]

01:57:58   really care about mac safe but I would [TS]

01:58:00   like it's so easy to just say you like [TS]

01:58:02   it's not a mystery what you need to do [TS]

01:58:04   Apple make it slightly different [TS]

01:58:06   slightly different feature set like [TS]

01:58:07   Marco said you don't have to have all [TS]

01:58:08   the ports but like everyone loves all [TS]

01:58:10   the USB C and Thunderbolt notes are all [TS]

01:58:12   great and everything just a few little [TS]

01:58:14   tweaks here in there and don't make the [TS]

01:58:15   keyboard so damn small to make me happy [TS]

01:58:17   and make it more reliable right there [TS]

01:58:19   close but everybody knows every it's an [TS]

01:58:22   open secret like how can you make these [TS]

01:58:24   Wow I wonder how we can make these more [TS]

01:58:26   appealing we all know how to do it more [TS]

01:58:28   for the better ports like bigger [TS]

01:58:30   keyboard arrow keys that are easier to [TS]

01:58:33   find reliable like it's it's right there [TS]

01:58:35   and touch bar you know do you need it do [TS]

01:58:38   you not lead it no one really loves it I [TS]

01:58:39   don't even know how to go with that and [TS]

01:58:41   that's what's frustrating normally if [TS]

01:58:42   people don't like something or it's [TS]

01:58:44   unsatisfactory in some way they don't [TS]

01:58:45   know like exactly how to fix it and this [TS]

01:58:48   the solutions just seems so obvious and [TS]

01:58:50   not to say that that's what Apple should [TS]

01:58:52   do because we're always asking up like [TS]

01:58:53   don't do the obvious thing that people [TS]

01:58:54   know that they want do the thing they [TS]

01:58:56   didn't even know they wanted right [TS]

01:58:57   that's apples job well so I'm not saying [TS]

01:58:59   how to do it right exactly but but I'm [TS]

01:59:02   not saying Apple should like oh just [TS]

01:59:03   just do what people expect right they [TS]

01:59:05   have to do what people don't expect they [TS]

01:59:07   have to try to go above beyond they have [TS]

01:59:09   to you know push the limits with you [TS]

01:59:11   know touch ID and face ID and all the [TS]

01:59:12   things they do but when they miss then [TS]

01:59:17   it starts to feel like oh I wish they [TS]

01:59:18   had just on the obvious thing all right [TS]

01:59:20   so what's the solution should they [TS]

01:59:22   now backpedal into the obvious thing or [TS]

01:59:24   this should make should they make try [TS]

01:59:26   number two at the transcendent thing and [TS]

01:59:28   I think Marcos criticized them a lot in [TS]

01:59:29   the past of like Apple don't feel like [TS]

01:59:32   you always have to like every single [TS]

01:59:34   time be transcendent because we wait too [TS]

01:59:36   long these big transcendent things and [TS]

01:59:39   so if you miss one of them nobody wants [TS]

01:59:41   to wait around for another five years of [TS]

01:59:43   unsatisfying unreliable laptops that are [TS]

01:59:47   shaped like this backpedal and do the [TS]

01:59:50   obvious thing while you regroup you know [TS]

01:59:52   like [TS]

01:59:53   and and as I think I said an upgrade [TS]

01:59:56   they could be doing that right now [TS]

01:59:58   hardware timelines being [TS]

01:59:58   hardware timelines being [TS]

02:00:00   they are there's only so much they can [TS]

02:00:01   do in response to dissatisfaction and [TS]

02:00:04   the final thing like we've done in this [TS]

02:00:06   novel coil but before we get off it is [TS]

02:00:07   like Apple just reported its results and [TS]

02:00:10   they're selling a ton of Max and I think [TS]

02:00:11   they're selling a ton of these laptops [TS]

02:00:12   and we're just we're back to success [TS]

02:00:15   Heights problems yeah people have [TS]

02:00:16   complaints but look at the numbers if if [TS]

02:00:18   the metrics you're looking at don't [TS]

02:00:20   reflect the supposed to dissatisfaction [TS]

02:00:22   then either we're all wrong and we're in [TS]

02:00:24   the minority and Apple is on the right [TS]

02:00:26   path and everything will be fine or [TS]

02:00:27   they're measuring things the wrong way [TS]

02:00:30   so I I you know I think based on vague [TS]

02:00:35   hints from the roundtable that I [TS]

02:00:37   continue to read things into that Mac [TS]

02:00:38   roundtable that and the fact that they [TS]

02:00:40   did try to adjust the keyboard and the [TS]

02:00:41   fact that the keyboards really do appear [TS]

02:00:43   to have reliability problems that Apple [TS]

02:00:45   will do something and make different [TS]

02:00:47   decisions about the next major revision [TS]

02:00:50   to the laptop line not just putting [TS]

02:00:52   rubber gaskets in the keys because [TS]

02:00:53   that's all they can do in the time [TS]

02:00:54   allotted to them but in whatever the [TS]

02:00:58   next round of MacBook Pros that come out [TS]

02:01:03   that actually get to meaningfully [TS]

02:01:06   incorporate the the feedback that we [TS]

02:01:09   feel like we're all providing and that [TS]

02:01:11   people may be providing with all their [TS]

02:01:12   lives in different services whatever [TS]

02:01:13   that I think Apple will make different [TS]

02:01:15   choices and I think they will make [TS]

02:01:19   adjustments that make these more [TS]

02:01:20   satisfactory and perhaps will make Marco [TS]

02:01:22   revisit whether this 2015 computer is [TS]

02:01:25   indeed the best laptop that Apple ever [TS]

02:01:27   can make because like he said he really [TS]

02:01:30   hopes that that's not the case and I [TS]

02:01:32   think it won't be the case he just needs [TS]

02:01:33   to wait a little bit longer all right [TS]

02:01:35   thanks for sponsors this week simple [TS]

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02:01:43   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

02:01:46   mean to begin because it was accidental [TS]

02:01:50   oh it was accidental [TS]

02:01:54   johnny research Marco and Casey wouldn't [TS]

02:01:57   let him because it was accidentally was [TS]

02:02:02   accidental today CAS II WA L is s so [TS]

02:02:19   that's Casey less and a are Co AR m and [TS]

02:02:23   T Marco Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

02:02:40   I think we have one obvious choice for [TS]

02:02:45   the after show what is up with this [TS]

02:02:49   Tesla Roadster yeah [TS]

02:02:52   actually honestly I think the semi it [TS]

02:02:54   might be the more interesting one but [TS]

02:02:55   you're wrong about that the semi is now [TS]

02:02:58   this morning I mean maybe more impactful [TS]

02:03:03   or maybe they're both vaporware but the [TS]

02:03:05   Tesla Roadster is obviously much more [TS]

02:03:07   exciting [TS]

02:03:08   so no snark or joke intended can you set [TS]

02:03:12   up for me what this event was because I [TS]

02:03:14   had heard that there was going to be a [TS]

02:03:15   Tesla event but I really honestly didn't [TS]

02:03:17   know much about it and I don't follow [TS]

02:03:20   Tesla that closely so I don't I don't [TS]

02:03:22   have a good feel for what the [TS]

02:03:23   significance of this event was John D I [TS]

02:03:26   mean I I don't honestly I don't follow [TS]

02:03:28   them that closely I don't I never watch [TS]

02:03:31   their events live because I find them a [TS]

02:03:33   little bit insufferable that's oh I just [TS]

02:03:37   kind of see we know what news comes out [TS]

02:03:38   of them afterwards so this was as far as [TS]

02:03:42   I know this was an event ostensibly to [TS]

02:03:44   reveal the Tesla semi truck and then the [TS]

02:03:47   Roadster I think was the one more thing [TS]

02:03:49   even though it has been kind of teased [TS]

02:03:51   for a little while but no one really [TS]

02:03:52   knew anything about it yet yeah that's [TS]

02:03:54   my impression do I also don't follow [TS]

02:03:55   that closely but yeah this was a semi [TS]

02:03:57   event but I wasn't shocked to see the [TS]

02:03:58   Roadster because has been like an open [TS]

02:04:00   secret for such a long time the Roadster [TS]

02:04:01   was their first car and you know they're [TS]

02:04:03   gonna revisit that it seemed like an [TS]

02:04:04   obvious thing they were going to do and [TS]

02:04:06   guess what they did it and yeah so I [TS]

02:04:08   didn't watch it live you there I just [TS]

02:04:09   caught the news after the fact but I [TS]

02:04:11   think it's I think it's interesting [TS]

02:04:12   because if you said oh Tesla is gonna do [TS]

02:04:14   a roadster that makes perfect sense they [TS]

02:04:15   make a big four-door sedan and they make [TS]

02:04:17   a smaller four-door sedan and the [TS]

02:04:19   original car was the Roadster and it's [TS]

02:04:21   obvious that there's probably a market [TS]

02:04:22   for a sporty car and so here is their [TS]

02:04:25   sporty car but I was surprised at [TS]

02:04:27   exactly the form this sporty car took in [TS]

02:04:33   many respects like so it's called the [TS]

02:04:36   Roadster but yeah it's it's not a t-top [TS]

02:04:42   but there's not much air above your head [TS]

02:04:46   like just before I even think about what [TS]

02:04:48   this car does if you look at it [TS]

02:04:50   more like a coupe with a section of the [TS]

02:04:52   roof that comes off and I feel like the [TS]

02:04:54   sort of open air that's not unusual [TS]

02:04:56   that's like Porsche was huge into that [TS]

02:05:01   think of even thinking I know it's more [TS]

02:05:03   like a targets Leslie even the Boxster [TS]

02:05:05   has more open air let alone like a you [TS]

02:05:07   know a proper convertible right so it is [TS]

02:05:10   it feels less open than I would have [TS]

02:05:13   expected it to be it looks just more [TS]

02:05:14   like a coupe and so it'd be have to call [TS]

02:05:16   it roadster because you know the first [TS]

02:05:17   thing was called the roadster and [TS]

02:05:18   there's like the family thing or [TS]

02:05:19   whatever but what they've essentially [TS]

02:05:20   made is like you said like a target type [TS]

02:05:23   of thing which is fine it just doesn't [TS]

02:05:25   match with the name and the second thing [TS]

02:05:28   I was surprised by was like it's not [TS]

02:05:32   just like oh here's a sporty er you know [TS]

02:05:34   it's a two-door sporty version so you [TS]

02:05:37   don't have to have a big family sedan [TS]

02:05:38   it's a kind of a fun sporty car seem [TS]

02:05:41   like in typical Tesla fashion they were [TS]

02:05:44   going for the jugular and saying no no [TS]

02:05:46   you don't understand we're making a [TS]

02:05:48   hyper car look at these numbers right [TS]

02:05:50   250 mile an hour plus top speed which is [TS]

02:05:54   pretty impressive even for hyper cars [TS]

02:05:56   because they generally then tend to go [TS]

02:05:58   for a downforce and the cost of top [TS]

02:06:00   speed unless you're talking about the [TS]

02:06:01   Veyron or something or the cheer on or [TS]

02:06:04   whatever the new one is 0c in 1.9 [TS]

02:06:07   seconds which is a very typical Elon [TS]

02:06:09   Musk II kind of number that I don't [TS]

02:06:11   doubt this car can hit but you know they [TS]

02:06:14   just wanted to have a number with a 1 in [TS]

02:06:15   front of it for the shock value is it [TS]

02:06:20   necessary and then the price like