The Accidental Tech Podcast

02:00:00 ◼   ► they expect a certain level of support [TS]

02:00:01 ◼   ► for that money and I did not want to [TS]

02:00:03 ◼   ► offer that level of support for the [TS]

02:00:05 ◼   ► anticipated very low customer volume [TS]

02:00:07 ◼   ► that this would probably generate and [TS]

02:00:09 ◼   ► then secondarily I realized like there's [TS]

02:00:11 ◼   ► actually like strategic benefits to this [TS]

02:00:14 ◼   ► for overcast where if I supply the [TS]

02:00:17 ◼   ► encoder and I and and I'm and I control [TS]

02:00:20 ◼   ► the encoders UI and features for a bunch [TS]

02:00:23 ◼   ► of popular podcasts and I also control [TS]

02:00:25 ◼   ► the podcast app then I can do cool [TS]

02:00:28 ◼   ► features [TS]

02:00:29 ◼   ► I can implement new features I can I can [TS]

02:00:31 ◼   ► extend the implementations of current [TS]

02:00:33 ◼   ► features so for instance one of the [TS]

02:00:34 ◼   ► features that observant listeners might [TS]

02:00:37 ◼   ► have noticed in a TP and an overcast [TS]

02:00:39 ◼   ► over the last couple of months is that [TS]

02:00:42 ◼   ► I've had the ability to basically create [TS]

02:00:45 ◼   ► invisible chapters chapters that don't [TS]

02:00:48 ◼   ► show up in the chapter list but that at [TS]

02:00:50 ◼   ► a certain time stamp show a certain [TS]

02:00:52 ◼   ► image or a link or both and but-but-but [TS]

02:00:56 ◼   ► just are not in the table of contents [TS]

02:00:57 ◼   ► not in the list of chapters this is part [TS]

02:01:01 ◼   ► of the mp3 chapter spec there's actually [TS]

02:01:02 ◼   ► they actually say like oh not every [TS]

02:01:04 ◼   ► chapter needs to be a member of a table [TS]

02:01:05 ◼   ► of contents you could for instance show [TS]

02:01:07 ◼   ► us just show something at a certain time [TS]

02:01:09 ◼   ► but no apps implemented that both in the [TS]

02:01:12 ◼   ► encoding or the playing side because I [TS]

02:01:15 ◼   ► controlled the encoder and the player I [TS]

02:01:16 ◼   ► implemented that and so now we have this [TS]

02:01:19 ◼   ► cool feature that we can do with [TS]

02:01:20 ◼   ► podcasts where you can have invisible [TS]

02:01:22 ◼   ► chapters so if you don't if you want to [TS]

02:01:25 ◼   ► show a certain link like right now or a [TS]

02:01:26 ◼   ► certain picture right now without [TS]

02:01:28 ◼   ► disrupting the semantic structure of the [TS]

02:01:31 ◼   ► chapter that you're currently in or if [TS]

02:01:33 ◼   ► you want to show links or images at [TS]

02:01:36 ◼   ► certain times without having the rest of [TS]

02:01:38 ◼   ► the show even have chapters without [TS]

02:01:41 ◼   ► having a chapter structure for the rest [TS]

02:01:43 ◼   ► of the show at all you can now do that [TS]

02:01:45 ◼   ► that's a cool feature and I'm only able [TS]

02:01:47 ◼   ► to do that feature because I control an [TS]

02:01:49 ◼   ► encoder and the player and so I realized [TS]

02:01:53 ◼   ► like the more people who use this [TS]

02:01:55 ◼   ► encoder the better it works out for [TS]

02:01:59 ◼   ► overcast and for podcasting as a whole [TS]

02:02:00 ◼   ► and so I decided you know what because [TS]

02:02:04 ◼   ► of the combination of those strategic [TS]

02:02:05 ◼   ► benefits and the fact that any paid [TS]

02:02:08 ◼   ► income would probably be pretty small [TS]

02:02:10 ◼   ► and would probably bring a large support [TS]

02:02:12 ◼   ► burden for that [TS]

02:02:13 ◼   ► smallness I decided free was the better [TS]

02:02:17 ◼   ► approach so it's free but it's not just [TS]

02:02:21 ◼   ► free you have an interesting business [TS]

02:02:23 ◼   ► model sort of at the bottom of the [TS]

02:02:26 ◼   ► forecast page at overcast FM / forecast [TS]

02:02:29 ◼   ► oh yeah I say something along the lines [TS]

02:02:31 ◼   ► of like you know if you use this and you [TS]

02:02:34 ◼   ► find it useful for your podcasts I would [TS]

02:02:37 ◼   ► appreciate if you occasionally promote [TS]

02:02:38 ◼   ► it overcast and you don't have to do it [TS]

02:02:40 ◼   ► it's not a requirement and if it's if [TS]

02:02:42 ◼   ► it's a show where that doesn't make [TS]

02:02:43 ◼   ► sense like I was thinking of like you [TS]

02:02:45 ◼   ► look nice today like I know it's it's [TS]

02:02:46 ◼   ► not really production anymore but like a [TS]

02:02:48 ◼   ► show like you look nice today [TS]

02:02:50 ◼   ► or even like Dubai Friday which I kind [TS]

02:02:52 ◼   ► of use it's like a spiritual successor [TS]

02:02:54 ◼   ► it doesn't make sense to promote things [TS]

02:02:57 ◼   ► in a show like that like that doesn't [TS]

02:02:58 ◼   ► contextually fit it would sound weird so [TS]

02:03:02 ◼   ► like I don't want you promoting overcast [TS]

02:03:04 ◼   ► in a show like that but if you have a [TS]

02:03:06 ◼   ► show which most people do of like at the [TS]

02:03:09 ◼   ► end you have like oh please [TS]

02:03:10 ◼   ► you know rate us on iTunes and subscribe [TS]

02:03:12 ◼   ► and just it sure whenever else occasion [TS]

02:03:15 ◼   ► we throw an overcast there that's it [TS]

02:03:16 ◼   ► that's my business model is like if you [TS]

02:03:18 ◼   ► feel like it and if you can I'd [TS]

02:03:20 ◼   ► appreciate if you promoted overcast [TS]

02:03:21 ◼   ► sometimes but you don't have to where [TS]

02:03:25 ◼   ► are you hiding this application I've [TS]

02:03:26 ◼   ► read the web page when you linked on [TS]

02:03:27 ◼   ► Twitter but now mark org slash apps [TS]

02:03:30 ◼   ► doesn't list it that seems like an [TS]

02:03:31 ◼   ► oversight yeah I still have a lot of [TS]

02:03:33 ◼   ► places I need to update this it was kind [TS]

02:03:35 ◼   ► of a soft launch I was basically launch [TS]

02:03:36 ◼   ► it on Twitter the overcast site does not [TS]

02:03:38 ◼   ► link to it from anyway overcast FM / [TS]

02:03:45 ◼   ► forecast all right know what the icon [TS]

02:03:48 ◼   ► looks like the icon is is a [TS]

02:03:51 ◼   ► tongue-in-cheek joke it was created by [TS]

02:03:54 ◼   ► this wonderful the wonderful forgotten [TS]

02:03:57 ◼   ► towel the designer who does all of the [TS]

02:04:00 ◼   ► relay FM artwork I hired him to do this [TS]

02:04:02 ◼   ► icon and it's so good point nine come on [TS]

02:04:06 ◼   ► you're better than that [TS]

02:04:08 ◼   ► what is it at one point I don't know [TS]

02:04:12 ◼   ► release hi Sierra - don't you know that [TS]

02:04:15 ◼   ► semver has weird problems with version [TS]

02:04:17 ◼   ► numbers that begin with zero you don't [TS]

02:04:18 ◼   ► know that [TS]

02:04:19 ◼   ► yeah anyway I should I should probably [TS]

02:04:23 ◼   ► put the icon on the app page [TS]

02:04:27 ◼   ► downloaded to see the icon so what is [TS]

02:04:29 ◼   ► the joke you don't get the joke oh it's [TS]

02:04:30 ◼   ► so good it's a German flag but an F [TS]

02:04:34 ◼   ► alright yeah I see I thought it was like [TS]

02:04:36 ◼   ► some sort of I should have known I [TS]

02:04:38 ◼   ► should some sports thing like it's a [TS]

02:04:39 ◼   ► sports logo or something I see the [TS]

02:04:41 ◼   ► German flag colors now yes [TS]

02:04:43 ◼   ► yeah and a few Germans got it in that [TS]

02:04:44 ◼   ► and therefore that made it worth it so [TS]

02:04:46 ◼   ► how do you look at this application and [TS]

02:04:49 ◼   ► how do you how do you feel about I mean [TS]

02:04:52 ◼   ► I know this is like a utility and you're [TS]

02:04:54 ◼   ► like you don't really care that much [TS]

02:04:55 ◼   ► about the UI it's very utilitarian [TS]

02:04:56 ◼   ► applications for all the reasons you [TS]

02:04:57 ◼   ► listed and even some part of the UI you [TS]

02:05:00 ◼   ► don't even use but it also doesn't look [TS]

02:05:03 ◼   ► like you spent much time worrying about [TS]

02:05:06 ◼   ► what the window would look like like you [TS]

02:05:08 ◼   ► might have if this was gonna be a [TS]

02:05:09 ◼   ► commercial application like it just kind [TS]

02:05:11 ◼   ► of is just kind of there like it's not [TS]

02:05:13 ◼   ► things aren't badly aligned except for [TS]

02:05:15 ◼   ► maybe a little bit too much space [TS]

02:05:16 ◼   ► between the buttons and the rest of the [TS]

02:05:18 ◼   ► thing but it certainly is not not a [TS]

02:05:22 ◼   ► particularly showy application let's say [TS]

02:05:23 ◼   ► no it really isn't at all and and I take [TS]

02:05:26 ◼   ► full ownership of that that this is not [TS]

02:05:28 ◼   ► a pretty UI this is not a highly [TS]

02:05:30 ◼   ► polished UI if you do what I said I [TS]

02:05:33 ◼   ► never do which is if you manually enter [TS]

02:05:35 ◼   ► chapters it's really unpolished so it [TS]

02:05:39 ◼   ► this is not you know something that I'm [TS]

02:05:42 ◼   ► really proud of the UI this to me is a [TS]

02:05:45 ◼   ► is a highly functional app you know most [TS]

02:05:47 ◼   ► of what I like and I mentioned on the [TS]

02:05:50 ◼   ► show a few times before but I also have [TS]

02:05:53 ◼   ► a tool that helps align double ender [TS]

02:05:55 ◼   ► files and and remove drift in them this [TS]

02:05:58 ◼   ► is not that tool and I understand what [TS]

02:06:01 ◼   ► people think it might be because I [TS]

02:06:02 ◼   ► talked about that tool before this is a [TS]

02:06:04 ◼   ► separate tool that tool is an even less [TS]

02:06:06 ◼   ► polished command line app that has tons [TS]

02:06:10 ◼   ► of weird bugs edge cases if you don't [TS]

02:06:12 ◼   ► use it exactly the way I use it and even [TS]

02:06:14 ◼   ► then sometimes if you do and so that is [TS]

02:06:17 ◼   ► nowhere near releasable state and it [TS]

02:06:19 ◼   ► doesn't even have a GUI at all and even [TS]

02:06:21 ◼   ► the command line version is really not [TS]

02:06:22 ◼   ► particularly releasable this is a small [TS]

02:06:26 ◼   ► step above that you know this has a GUI [TS]

02:06:28 ◼   ► it is not a good interface it is not a [TS]

02:06:31 ◼   ► polished interface but this is a tool [TS]

02:06:33 ◼   ► for pro workflows that are like mine [TS]

02:06:38 ◼   ► even if no one else [TS]

02:06:41 ◼   ► every uses it it works great for me and [TS]

02:06:43 ◼   ► so I'm happy with that it's hard to [TS]

02:06:45 ◼   ► justify spending a lot of time on it [TS]

02:06:48 ◼   ► like polishing it up when I also am [TS]

02:06:50 ◼   ► maintaining overcast and having to [TS]

02:06:52 ◼   ► update that and move that forward on [TS]

02:06:53 ◼   ► everything so it's probably never gonna [TS]

02:06:56 ◼   ► be incredibly polished in the UI I just [TS]

02:07:00 ◼   ► want to make sure that it's really [TS]

02:07:01 ◼   ► useful and so you know like many Pro [TS]

02:07:04 ◼   ► Tools its kind of ugly but just [TS]

02:07:06 ◼   ► functional you should a drawer I [TS]

02:07:09 ◼   ► actually had a drawer and one of the bin [TS]

02:07:11 ◼   ► one of the early versions I was thinking [TS]

02:07:14 ◼   ► like you know it would be like one of [TS]

02:07:16 ◼   ► the things that was an obvious next step [TS]

02:07:19 ◼   ► for features for this app is to have a [TS]

02:07:21 ◼   ► little player and to have it like [TS]

02:07:23 ◼   ► preview and simulate like you know how [TS]

02:07:25 ◼   ► the chapters would look in a player and [TS]

02:07:27 ◼   ► and be able to seek to them and play [TS]

02:07:28 ◼   ► them and everything to make sure that [TS]

02:07:29 ◼   ► they're right you gotta bring back the [TS]

02:07:31 ◼   ► old visualizer from overcast yeah I [TS]

02:07:33 ◼   ► still have all that code obviously yes [TS]

02:07:36 ◼   ► and and so if you're gonna add a player [TS]

02:07:37 ◼   ► to this a drawer is kind of the obvious [TS]

02:07:40 ◼   ► way to just deprecated that like this [TS]

02:07:47 ◼   ► year I probably no I mean I wouldn't do [TS]

02:07:49 ◼   ► it but I was tempted to do it floating [TS]

02:07:53 ◼   ► brush metal window is the clear way to [TS]

02:07:54 ◼   ► do that oh yeah definitely [TS]

02:07:56 ◼   ► textured sorry it's not brush man yes [TS]

02:07:58 ◼   ► looks like I sink alright so I have two [TS]

02:08:01 ◼   ► questions for you [TS]

02:08:02 ◼   ► number one do you have any kind of [TS]

02:08:05 ◼   ► analytics anywhere just so you know like [TS]

02:08:08 ◼   ► was this market as small as you thought [TS]

02:08:09 ◼   ► or have you had you know eleventy [TS]

02:08:11 ◼   ► billion downloads and turns out you [TS]

02:08:13 ◼   ► might have miscalculated I can figure [TS]

02:08:16 ◼   ► this out now or later I don't need to do [TS]

02:08:18 ◼   ► this like in the app and so I haven't [TS]

02:08:20 ◼   ► yet in order to distribute this app [TS]

02:08:23 ◼   ► outside of the App Store which and [TS]

02:08:25 ◼   ► honestly like I wasn't trying to make [TS]

02:08:26 ◼   ► some kind of giant political statement [TS]

02:08:27 ◼   ► by not being in the App Store there was [TS]

02:08:29 ◼   ► just no need for me to be in the App [TS]

02:08:30 ◼   ► Store so I wasn't I did I didn't feel [TS]

02:08:32 ◼   ► that it was worth the the burdens of [TS]

02:08:34 ◼   ► being in the App Store for no benefit [TS]

02:08:36 ◼   ► really so I'm not in the App Store so I [TS]

02:08:40 ◼   ► had to build in distribution [TS]

02:08:42 ◼   ► functionality I had to build an auto [TS]

02:08:44 ◼   ► updating and the way you do are updating [TS]

02:08:46 ◼   ► in Mac apps is through the sparkle [TS]

02:08:48 ◼   ► framework this how pretty much everyone [TS]

02:08:50 ◼   ► does it everyone who used a Mac app that [TS]

02:08:52 ◼   ► that is not from the App Store has seen [TS]

02:08:54 ◼   ► the [TS]

02:08:55 ◼   ► little windows and say like you know if [TS]

02:08:56 ◼   ► it's available do you want to install an [TS]

02:08:57 ◼   ► app you know ROM me later or skip this [TS]

02:09:00 ◼   ► version and you click install now and it [TS]

02:09:01 ◼   ► shows like a little like you know [TS]

02:09:02 ◼   ► progress bar then it quits and relaunch [TS]

02:09:04 ◼   ► is the app there's a reason why those [TS]

02:09:06 ◼   ► are the same across pretty much every [TS]

02:09:08 ◼   ► app they all use the same framework [TS]

02:09:09 ◼   ► called sparkle and so the way sparkle [TS]

02:09:12 ◼   ► works is once a day or whatever when you [TS]

02:09:16 ◼   ► launch the app it checks a server's RSS [TS]

02:09:20 ◼   ► feed and it's a special RSS feed that [TS]

02:09:22 ◼   ► ink that is four versions of the app so [TS]

02:09:25 ◼   ► for me to distribute this I had to [TS]

02:09:27 ◼   ► basically build all that and I when I [TS]

02:09:29 ◼   ► made quitter I built like a very very [TS]

02:09:31 ◼   ► basic version of that that's just [TS]

02:09:32 ◼   ► basically all like shell scripts that [TS]

02:09:34 ◼   ► would generate static files and then [TS]

02:09:36 ◼   ► upload them to my server for forecast [TS]

02:09:38 ◼   ► this is an overcast product I wanted [TS]

02:09:40 ◼   ► this live to live on the overcast [TS]

02:09:41 ◼   ► servers I wanted to finally do like a [TS]

02:09:43 ◼   ► little bit better of a job so I kind of [TS]

02:09:45 ◼   ► made my own crappy little version of [TS]

02:09:47 ◼   ► iTunes Connect or hit where like I can [TS]

02:09:50 ◼   ► upload a build and a script on the [TS]

02:09:53 ◼   ► server reads the build number and the [TS]

02:09:55 ◼   ► version number out of that build signs [TS]

02:09:58 ◼   ► it for for sparkle update mechanism like [TS]

02:10:01 ◼   ► there's a signature involved so signs it [TS]

02:10:04 ◼   ► for that and then creates like an entry [TS]

02:10:07 ◼   ► then I can enter release notes in that [TS]

02:10:08 ◼   ► entry and I can say whether it's [TS]

02:10:10 ◼   ► released or not so I can actually very [TS]

02:10:12 ◼   ► easily add a thing to this system that [TS]

02:10:15 ◼   ► remembers how many people check that RSS [TS]

02:10:18 ◼   ► feed every day and important reports to [TS]

02:10:19 ◼   ► me roughly how many users there are or I [TS]

02:10:22 ◼   ► can just log like how many downloads the [TS]

02:10:24 ◼   ► file has which I also don't do I [TS]

02:10:26 ◼   ► probably should be doing that but I'm [TS]

02:10:27 ◼   ► not [TS]

02:10:28 ◼   ► but overall the response I've gotten on [TS]

02:10:32 ◼   ► Twitter so far has been huge it was it's [TS]

02:10:36 ◼   ► been way bigger than I expected and I [TS]

02:10:39 ◼   ► think this is really this is really a [TS]

02:10:41 ◼   ► good sign there's a lot more podcast [TS]

02:10:45 ◼   ► producers out there that then the people [TS]

02:10:48 ◼   ► I know I said it isn't so many that I [TS]

02:10:52 ◼   ► regret really producing it for free be [TS]

02:10:55 ◼   ► it I think if it wasn't free many of [TS]

02:10:56 ◼   ► them wouldn't try it because they don't [TS]

02:10:57 ◼   ► know me and this is just some random [TS]

02:10:58 ◼   ► thing but because it's free it is [TS]

02:11:02 ◼   ► spreading pretty wide wider than I [TS]

02:11:04 ◼   ► expect it at the spread so quickly [TS]

02:11:05 ◼   ► especially since I'm linking to it from [TS]

02:11:07 ◼   ► nowhere on this [TS]

02:11:07 ◼   ► so so yeah so far it's it's going pretty [TS]

02:11:11 ◼   ► well good and because it's my favorite [TS]

02:11:16 ◼   ► thing to ask what was the either hardest [TS]

02:11:19 ◼   ► or crummiest part of the entire process [TS]

02:11:21 ◼   ► and I think that you're under the radar [TS]

02:11:23 ◼   ► episode talked about a lot of the like [TS]

02:11:26 ◼   ► oh the app is done but there's so much [TS]

02:11:29 ◼   ► more to do and like you were talking [TS]

02:11:30 ◼   ► about like you're you're Marco connect [TS]

02:11:32 ◼   ► you know in order your fake iTunes [TS]

02:11:34 ◼   ► Connect and all that had to be written [TS]

02:11:35 ◼   ► but but over the entire process from [TS]

02:11:38 ◼   ► start to finish including all this [TS]

02:11:39 ◼   ► administrivia you had to do what would [TS]

02:11:41 ◼   ► you say was the either the hardest or or [TS]

02:11:43 ◼   ► the most difficult or crummiest part to [TS]

02:11:46 ◼   ► deal with by far the hardest part of [TS]

02:11:49 ◼   ► this app is just learning app kit [TS]

02:11:53 ◼   ► you know it's learning how to make mac [TS]

02:11:54 ◼   ► apps you know I had made quitter before [TS]

02:11:57 ◼   ► and I made a couple of little like [TS]

02:11:58 ◼   ► experimental dumb crap before that but [TS]

02:12:01 ◼   ► this is the first time that I really [TS]

02:12:03 ◼   ► have made a Mac app of any kind of [TS]

02:12:06 ◼   ► substance now the good thing is you know [TS]

02:12:10 ◼   ► applicant provides a lot of really rich [TS]

02:12:12 ◼   ► functionality built in so like the [TS]

02:12:14 ◼   ► entire document model I don't have to [TS]

02:12:16 ◼   ► worry that much about like windowing [TS]

02:12:19 ◼   ► opening saving save as stuff like that [TS]

02:12:22 ◼   ► like a lot of that comes for free and so [TS]

02:12:24 ◼   ► that's pretty great but the the way that [TS]

02:12:27 ◼   ► the actual UI works like the way those [TS]

02:12:29 ◼   ► table views work and the text fields [TS]

02:12:31 ◼   ► inside the table views and the for [TS]

02:12:33 ◼   ► matters and the bindings to an array [TS]

02:12:35 ◼   ► controller all those weird stuff you [TS]

02:12:37 ◼   ► know to to an iOS developer mainly it [TS]

02:12:40 ◼   ► might as well be Android like it's so [TS]

02:12:42 ◼   ► different from the way iOS works that [TS]

02:12:45 ◼   ► it's it's like starting over from zero [TS]

02:12:48 ◼   ► so I'm making mac apps as though I'm a [TS]

02:12:52 ◼   ► complete novice because for the Mac I am [TS]

02:12:54 ◼   ► that has been the hardest part is that [TS]

02:12:57 ◼   ► you know I'm used to working at a [TS]

02:12:59 ◼   ► certain speed and proficiency and and [TS]

02:13:02 ◼   ► design proficiency on iOS that I just [TS]

02:13:05 ◼   ► don't have when making mac OS apps so [TS]

02:13:07 ◼   ► it's that's been a very very slow [TS]

02:13:09 ◼   ► learning process and it's also just [TS]

02:13:10 ◼   ► harder on the Mac because the api's are [TS]

02:13:13 ◼   ► have a lot more legacy because they're [TS]

02:13:15 ◼   ► much older so the api's are a lot [TS]

02:13:17 ◼   ► clunkier they have not gotten nearly as [TS]

02:13:20 ◼   ► much attention in the last [TS]

02:13:21 ◼   ► Cady's iOS has so they are in many ways [TS]

02:13:25 ◼   ► a lot harder to use or have a lot of [TS]

02:13:27 ◼   ► antiquated or clunky things you have to [TS]

02:13:29 ◼   ► do to use them and the biggest problem [TS]

02:13:32 ◼   ► with all of it is that because iOS is so [TS]

02:13:36 ◼   ► incredibly popular and Mac OS [TS]

02:13:38 ◼   ► development relatively isn't it's very [TS]

02:13:40 ◼   ► hard to find answers if you have [TS]

02:13:42 ◼   ► questions for Mac OS development there's [TS]

02:13:44 ◼   ► not like with iOS you can search [TS]

02:13:46 ◼   ► anything in under the Sun and you're [TS]

02:13:48 ◼   ► gonna get a thousand Google results half [TS]

02:13:51 ◼   ► of them are gonna be really great [TS]

02:13:52 ◼   ► tutorials like exactly what you have to [TS]

02:13:55 ◼   ► do or great Stack Overflow answers on [TS]

02:13:57 ◼   ► exact exactly the problem you're having [TS]

02:13:59 ◼   ► and a Mac OS that's not the case most of [TS]

02:14:02 ◼   ► the time most time what you're searching [TS]

02:14:03 ◼   ► for you will get either nothing helpful [TS]

02:14:06 ◼   ► or like one ancient mailing list post [TS]

02:14:10 ◼   ► that you have to like scan through the [TS]

02:14:11 ◼   ► web version of a man list to find [TS]

02:14:13 ◼   ► somebody who might maybe be talking [TS]

02:14:15 ◼   ► about what you're talking about [TS]

02:14:16 ◼   ► it's it's a very different world I'm [TS]

02:14:18 ◼   ► just trying to think of an excuse to use [TS]

02:14:20 ◼   ► this application maybe I should [TS]

02:14:21 ◼   ► participate cast it's right you're on so [TS]

02:14:25 ◼   ► many podcasts you drop artwork here okay [TS]

02:14:30 ◼   ► why are you yelling at me [TS]

02:14:32 ◼   ► it looks better I know this isn't like [TS]

02:14:34 ◼   ► me designing Mac OS apps it's it's like [TS]

02:14:37 ◼   ► the way everyone designs Windows apps [TS]

02:14:39 ◼   ► it's like I don't know what the hell is [TS]

02:14:40 ◼   ► good here like just throw something [TS]

02:14:42 ◼   ► there that looks good using the guide [TS]

02:14:45 ◼   ► snap things in interface builder or did [TS]

02:14:46 ◼   ► you not use interface builder for this [TS]

02:14:48 ◼   ► at all no I use it I use the guide snap [TS]

02:14:50 ◼   ► things no I mean like I built most of [TS]

02:14:52 ◼   ► the interface with cocoa bindings just [TS]

02:14:53 ◼   ► so I wouldn't have to learn a lot of the [TS]

02:14:56 ◼   ► intricacies of tableviews and then all [TS]

02:14:58 ◼   ► the experience Mac developer scolded you [TS]

02:14:59 ◼   ► for it yeah and then every was like oh [TS]

02:15:00 ◼   ► yeah I don't use cocoa but yeah thanks a [TS]

02:15:02 ◼   ► lot it is really nice to do certain like [TS]

02:15:05 ◼   ► and you know cocoa bindings are great [TS]

02:15:07 ◼   ► for like really simple stuff like like [TS]

02:15:08 ◼   ► enable disabled states of certain [TS]

02:15:11 ◼   ► buttons tracking certain you know [TS]

02:15:13 ◼   ► properties or things being nil or things [TS]

02:15:15 ◼   ► like that it's there's a lot of value to [TS]

02:15:18 ◼   ► cocoa bindings but like for me to fix [TS]

02:15:21 ◼   ► the main problem the app has which is [TS]

02:15:22 ◼   ► the manual entry of chapters is very [TS]

02:15:24 ◼   ► clunky and weird that is going to [TS]

02:15:28 ◼   ► basically require dumping bindings for [TS]

02:15:30 ◼   ► the tableview and that's going to be a [TS]

02:15:31 ◼   ► you know I'm not gonna say it's gonna be [TS]

02:15:34 ◼   ► a huge pain [TS]

02:15:35 ◼   ► but it's gonna be a decent mount of work [TS]

02:15:36 ◼   ► at least especially because I'm totally [TS]

02:15:39 ◼   ► unfamiliar with it if it was I us I [TS]

02:15:41 ◼   ► could do it in half a day but because [TS]

02:15:43 ◼   ► it's Mac OS it's gonna take me a lot [TS]

02:15:44 ◼   ► longer than that and the good thing is [TS]

02:15:46 ◼   ► that the app has gotten such a strong [TS]

02:15:48 ◼   ► reception that I'm actually motivated to [TS]

02:15:50 ◼   ► do things like this to fix weird bugs [TS]

02:15:52 ◼   ► that that don't affect me personally but [TS]

02:15:54 ◼   ► I do have to also keep that in check [TS]

02:15:56 ◼   ► with like this is not my primary job I'm [TS]

02:15:59 ◼   ► primary job as overcast and I need to [TS]

02:16:00 ◼   ► make sure that overcast is not going to [TS]

02:16:02 ◼   ► suffer for me working too much on [TS]

02:16:05 ◼   ► forecast the good thing is I don't think [TS]

02:16:07 ◼   ► it's that I don't that's very likely [TS]

02:16:08 ◼   ► because like I've been working on a [TS]

02:16:10 ◼   ► forecast for two years and the way I [TS]

02:16:12 ◼   ► usually work on it is I fix some things [TS]

02:16:15 ◼   ► I've wanted to fix for a while like [TS]

02:16:18 ◼   ► ferla over like a week and then I don't [TS]

02:16:20 ◼   ► touch it for six months and then I spend [TS]

02:16:23 ◼   ► another week tweaking it up and then I [TS]

02:16:25 ◼   ► gotta go to the six months not touching [TS]

02:16:26 ◼   ► it because it pretty much works like it [TS]

02:16:28 ◼   ► doesn't need a lot of attention [TS]

02:16:30 ◼   ► so hopefully this this won't be a huge [TS]

02:16:33 ◼   ► time second I don't think it will how is [TS]

02:16:36 ◼   ► forecasts choosing where to put its a [TS]

02:16:37 ◼   ► window when a command man I don't know [TS]

02:16:41 ◼   ► like I mean so there's that weird like [TS]

02:16:44 ◼   ► thing interface builder that little like [TS]

02:16:46 ◼   ► window graphic thing where you say like [TS]

02:16:48 ◼   ► all right kind of position it kind of in [TS]

02:16:49 ◼   ► the middle of the window and the left is [TS]

02:16:51 ◼   ► like there's there's something interface [TS]

02:16:52 ◼   ► builder that lets you specify that if [TS]

02:16:57 ◼   ► this was a conscious choice area it does [TS]

02:16:59 ◼   ► remember it does remember the window [TS]

02:17:01 ◼   ► position between quits at which I'm [TS]

02:17:02 ◼   ► assuming you're picking up for free as [TS]

02:17:03 ◼   ► part of like the savory store [TS]

02:17:05 ◼   ► I think same thing but if you close all [TS]

02:17:07 ◼   ► the windows and hit command in a new [TS]

02:17:09 ◼   ► window appears in a location that I mean [TS]

02:17:11 ◼   ► it's not random it's always the same [TS]

02:17:13 ◼   ► place but it's like off-center to the [TS]

02:17:15 ◼   ► left Cup the middle vertically yeah I [TS]

02:17:17 ◼   ► saw that in the thing and interface [TS]

02:17:19 ◼   ► builder that accident I wasn't aware [TS]

02:17:21 ◼   ► that was a global I figured it would [TS]

02:17:22 ◼   ► just use the last one and that would be [TS]

02:17:24 ◼   ► like the very first time it ever made a [TS]

02:17:26 ◼   ► window it would create it there no no I [TS]

02:17:28 ◼   ► see that this is the problem like I [TS]

02:17:30 ◼   ► don't know how to do this unless you [TS]

02:17:32 ◼   ► look at that's fine and the other thing [TS]

02:17:35 ◼   ► that surprised me is that you use a Mac [TS]

02:17:36 ◼   ► every day but like you know when you [TS]

02:17:38 ◼   ► laid out like the Preferences dialog [TS]

02:17:39 ◼   ► that's laid out like no preference [TS]

02:17:41 ◼   ► dialog in any mac app and you use all [TS]

02:17:43 ◼   ► the time [TS]

02:17:44 ◼   ► like you see preference dialogues but [TS]

02:17:46 ◼   ► there's like three preferences [TS]

02:17:48 ◼   ► I know I know and yet surprisingly laid [TS]

02:17:51 ◼   ► out in kind of a weird Marco kind of way [TS]

02:17:53 ◼   ► and the thing is that this is the thing [TS]

02:17:58 ◼   ► I never sighs just because you use a Mac [TS]

02:18:00 ◼   ► application all the time doesn't mean [TS]

02:18:01 ◼   ► you you consciously know like if I'm [TS]

02:18:03 ◼   ► making a dialog from scratch and I have [TS]

02:18:05 ◼   ► like two text boxes to two radio buttons [TS]

02:18:07 ◼   ► and a button how do I put them so it [TS]

02:18:09 ◼   ► looks like correct right and I had so [TS]

02:18:12 ◼   ► like this stuff took me so long to try [TS]

02:18:15 ◼   ► to figure out because I am NOT a Mac [TS]

02:18:18 ◼   ► developer and like it was very very slow [TS]

02:18:22 ◼   ► going like again like it's like I was a [TS]

02:18:24 ◼   ► novice because I for the Mac I am a [TS]

02:18:26 ◼   ► novice and even using a Mac yes I'm [TS]

02:18:30 ◼   ► saying you don't think about it if [TS]

02:18:31 ◼   ► you're not actually dragging the [TS]

02:18:32 ◼   ► controls out because when you see like a [TS]

02:18:34 ◼   ► Mac dialog box like it looks more or [TS]

02:18:35 ◼   ► less right but then you see one doesn't [TS]

02:18:37 ◼   ► quite look right there's something off [TS]

02:18:38 ◼   ► about it but you can't quite place it [TS]

02:18:39 ◼   ► it's like you know what would fix this [TS]

02:18:41 ◼   ► is just is just because the button on [TS]

02:18:43 ◼   ► the bottom is centered is it you know [TS]

02:18:44 ◼   ► what is the problem with that I don't [TS]

02:18:46 ◼   ► know anyway it's fine [TS]

02:18:48 ◼   ► I appreciate your on account your icon [TS]

02:18:51 ◼   ► does look like a Sports logo though I [TS]

02:18:52 ◼   ► don't know I keep thinking [TS]

02:18:52 ◼   ► don't know I keep thinking [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► just as a warning hey I need one more [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► stand hour before I go to bed which [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► means we need to end before midnight [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► you can stand while we podcast a [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► standing podcast desk have you gotten [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► the 9 o'clock hour yet uh no stand up [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► just run or stand up I just want that's [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► true that's fair point [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► Oh God how like what like one or two [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► minutes of activity of standing one [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► minute but I gotta like wiggle around [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► and make the watch think that I'm [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► standing you should run in place you can [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► get if you're under your calorie count [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► for the day you run that's true I don't [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► know how am i doing how am i doing let's [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► look are you finishing all three rings I [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► wanted some kind of streak or you just [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► doing Stan Lee are you still a blue ring [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► stud stand is the only thing I really [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► care about I did have a really good [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► streak going for a long time but I'm I'm [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► ever so lightly sick so I've been [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► skipping my morning runs and so [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► basically I'm just a sloth as I I'm [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► realizing my true form as a sloth [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► blue-ringed sloth the blue ring slide [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► that's exactly it [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► how'd you get the exercise man it's a [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► not get the orange ring because I'm out [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► of shape even despite all the running so [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► kidding exercise minutes is easier than [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► you think [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► wait wait wait ok we're good ok we can [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► start you got it you get like a badger [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► and everything everything is all right [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► now are you in the right time zone [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► who knows I in the right country is this [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► what people to in tune in for well in [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► your preferred date format why don't you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► put the year first so then it like like [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► sorts properly this is a good question [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► which probably won't make the show but [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► if I were editing would make the show [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► and this is why I don't edit by hey the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► reason you don't do I so what is it ATIS [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► 8601 is because if you're doing [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► something where in your handling like [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► just in unbelievable amount of files [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► like let's say for the sake of argument [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► thing you were you had all of your [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► pictures that you've ever taken in one [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► folder because you're weird so every [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► single photograph you've ever taken is [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► all in one folder on your one directory [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► if you will well they never called [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► directories on the Mac John way back [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► when or is that just a DOS thing they [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► were not ok so it's a toss thing anyways [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► what did you do calls in directories [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► right oh that's true [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► yes Oh fair enough anyway I digress so [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► if you had out any photo you've ever [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► taken in one in one folder slash [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► directory then absolutely 8601 that bad [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► boy but in my day to day use of a [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► computer easily ninety percent of the [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► time that I'm looking at any date I know [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► by context that it is the current year [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► so why would I put your first that just [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► gets annoying and redundant there are [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► certain circumstances where years should [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► go first but generally speaking the one [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► true way to store a date is day day [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► month month year year because a day is [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► smaller than a month and a month is [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► smaller than a year 8601 is ridiculous [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► and anyone who says otherwise is [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► preposterous it is day month year so [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► unless you are doing machines in which [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► case yes 86 so the the what I'm arguing [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► for which I guess no one I forget is [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► year-month-day correct that's it so on [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► the reason why this is better is that it [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► is completely unambiguous because that [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► no no where ever uses year day month so [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► if you see a four-digit year up front [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► you know that the next number is going [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► to be the month and then I'm sure that [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► is going to be the day in addition to [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► the benefits of it being like you know [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► alphabetically sorted properly in lists [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► that you know that's a side benefit but [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► the the number one argument forward is [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► that it's unambiguous that you can use [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► that format anywhere in the world and [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► people will know how to read it and the [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► chance of error is very very low so that [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► alone should win it but also you know [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► you're a programmer the lexicographical [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► sorting argument should work on you and [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► you know yes you know right now this is [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► the current year guess what it won't be [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► in a month like next month will be a [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► different current year and if you have a [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► format that sorts correctly no matter [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► what year you are in or what year the [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► stuff you're looking at is from that [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► seems like it would be a win so the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► correct way to write a date in a file [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► name or in an unambiguous context is [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► year-month-day see I I can't I can't [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► disagree with you because you're not [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► you're not you're not wrong but you're [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► also not right [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► because I just don't like it I don't [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► like it I'm the same person who doesn't [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► put a zero in my in my URL slugs [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► so I mean Who am I to talk but to my [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► eyes I mean well I think we can all [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► agree that Americans get it wrong that [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► month/day/year is just preposterous it [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► is truly an utterly stupid you try to [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► make us all agree on cheese here with [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► this cuz I don't agree on G's only you [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► are agreeing on cheese what does that [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► even mean [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► American cheese is delicious yeah [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► month/day/year is not preposterous for [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► filename sure it's preposterous but for [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► like display purposes which is what [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► we're talking about last time you like [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► oh I said myself to Australia so so my [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► watch can display dates to me in that [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► way I don't want this displayed to me in [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► year month day I want them in the dus [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► system in the US system makes sense for [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► display dates because no doesn't it yeah [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► it does [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► month day is all you need to know almost [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► all the time and for disambiguation [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► hanging out on the right hand side [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► because we read from right to left if [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you need to look over there [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► yeah there's year we read from right to [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► left all right you know what I mean left [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► right no you always go day month year [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► you always go dimo no not in this [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► country and you shouldn't do it that way [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► because not in this country but we're [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► wrong we use Imperial month day month [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► day makes sense month date makes us [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► pretty split purposes not you shouldn't [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► put that in your file name because that [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► would be for the reasons mark are [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► already outlined no this is preposterous [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► John the reason you say month day is [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► right it's just because it's what you're [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► used to [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► no I'm saying there's an argument for it [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► it's not just like random or wrong like [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► there every each one of these formats [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► has its strengths and weaknesses and and [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► saying that we can all agree that Monday [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► is preposterous is saying that there are [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► no advantages to it there are there is [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► there is a sense there is a mnemonic [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► there is a sensible system for why that [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► date works not just because we're used [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► to it which is obviously a big factor [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► but also there are things to recommend [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it which is I have what I was just [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► explaining so it's not you know [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► completely it's not a completely [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► write-off it's only clearly right often [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► in file names because that would be them [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► I can get behind I can get behind month [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► day when year is not a part of it so [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► March 17 okay fine but that's the thing [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► like you have that disambiguation like [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► it's month day and then in cases where [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► you feel like you need some [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► disambiguation like during the year [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► changeover or if you're doing distant [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► future just in past dates you can throw [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► in the air see but then if it's months a [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► year how does [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► are you a programmer how are you a [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► basically a robot say for human [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► consumption for display purposes not for [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► naming your files not it's still day [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► month here [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► no you're saying month day year only [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► because it's what you're used to by [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► doing what you're doing it's like I do [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna do all my temperatures in [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► Celsius I can have all my conversations [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► in the United States and Celsius right [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► no Celsius is barbarian no but what I'm [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► saying is like in this country it's the [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► way we do it there's massive advantages [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► to doing a month day in this country [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► because everyone else other that way and [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► if you do it the reverse you will [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► confuse other people and potentially [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► also confuse yourself depending on [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► whether you remember if you wrote it or [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► not no I will I will concede that it is [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► unusual in this country however don't [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► you put that barbaric Celsius Celsius [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► nonsense on me don't you even start sir [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► Seifer sorry for the barbarism of [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► Celsius for human temperatures like were [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► you to use it you'd be swimming against [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► the tide in this country [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► sure and you'd have that same confusion [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► you should just use kelvins you don't [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► have that a degree symbol there's [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► problem solved all I'm saying is all I'm [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► saying is I can see an argument for [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► month to a year [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► you're wrong but I can see it but let me [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► make it plain that using Celsius for [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► human felt temperatures for ambient air [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► temperatures and only ambient air [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► temperatures is utterly ridiculous and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► all of you heathens in Europe who say [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► otherwise are unequivocally wrong look [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► at the scale zero you're it's it's cold [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► ish a hundred you're dead yeah there's [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► that famous gif [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► right it's not even if it's just an [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► image and Fahrenheit can be encoded as [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► it gets zero zero is really really cold [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► 100 is really really hot that's all you [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► need to know for ambient air 10 such a [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► millennial is not animated like triple [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► taken I like breaking my brain sorry [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► John [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► I'm sorry we're kids anyway suffice to [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► say we can be I can I can allow an [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► argument that 80 I can allow the 8601 [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► argument I think you're wrong I can [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► allow the month/day/year argument I [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► think you're wrong but we should all [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► agree the official ATP stance on Celsius [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► it is utterly preposterous and wrong for [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► ambient air temperature you want to talk [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► science e things well you should be [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► using Kelvin but fine use Celsius but [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► for ambient air temperature it is wrong [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► in Europe should be ashamed let's move [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► on and let's start with some follow up [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► the route blog post in the dev forums [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► that was the dev forums not the support [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► forums and one or all of us got that [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► backwards last week that was my bed I [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► think we all start off saying the right [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► thing but I very quickly shifted into [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► talking about the support forums so the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► developer forums you have to be a [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► registered Apple developer to even see [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► them like they're actually authentic [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► kids they're not open to the public they [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► are still pretty noisy and it's also [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► true that they are not a hey Apple come [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► help me with my problem thing like it is [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► other developers talking to other [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► developers and you have you know DTS [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► support incidents or whatever for actual [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► you know you pay money and then Apple [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► can help you with stuff so some of what [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► we said is true but it's important not [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► to confuse the two types of forums the [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► completely wide open public support [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► forums or high volume and very noisy and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► people talk about all sorts of things [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► dev warms are less so alright and [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► related apparently Gregory Beatty [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► emailed product security at Apple calm [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► about this bug on November 12th do you [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► want to tell us about this yeah it's a [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► lot of people asking about you know [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► should Apple be poring over their forums [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► or having some one or more employees [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► look at all that both the dev forms out [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► of the support forum so they can see [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► these bugs ahead of times and a lot of [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► people saying uh posting us on Twitter [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► isn't the way you're supposed to [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► disclose this blah blah blah what you're [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► supposed to do is email product security [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► the Apple comm and turns out somebody [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► did actually do exactly the right thing [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► which is the email product security [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► Apple to come about this exact bug on [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► November 12th which was a long time ago [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► and I don't know if they just have a big [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► backlog or didn't get to it or knew [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► about it but we're hoping they could [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► just sweep it under the rug until their [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► fix came out in a later update I don't [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► know what the story is but I thought it [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► was interesting that for all the yelling [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► about the right and wrong way to report [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► bugs in the right and wrong way for [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► Apple to know about them this particular [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► bug long before it was widely publicized [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► and long before I was fixed was [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► submitted to Apple [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► in the correct way excellent the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► quote-unquote correct way because [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► there's some argument that like oh you [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► have to you know like responsible [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► disclosure or whatever where you tell [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► the the source of the bug about it first [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► secretly to give them a chance to fix it [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► and only if they don't fix it after a [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► long long time do you go into public [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► versus quote-unquote irresponsible [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► disclosure where you just tell it to the [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► public before you know at the same time [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► the vendor finds out the public does and [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► there is some debate about what actually [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► is the the best way to do that because [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► obviously if you hear they she's like oh [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► well of course responsible disclosure [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► where you tell the vendor first that's [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► the way to do it because it protects the [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► most people you don't want the bad guys [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► that'll blah blah blah but the the [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► problem with that approach in the past [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► has been the defenders are like oh thank [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► you for telling us we'll fix it when we [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► get to it and then you're sit there [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► waiting go like how long do I have to [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► wait before you know like maybe the bad [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► guys already know about this just [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► because I didn't tell the bad guys [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► doesn't mean they don't just because I [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► discovered it maybe they discovered it [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► now too and so you're waiting come on [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► come on fix the bug fix the bug then you [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► have to know how long do I wait before [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► it's okay for me to say in public like [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► what this thing is you know and there's [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► was an article about it a couple years [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► ago which was about the much more [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► bureaucratic process of submitting [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► things rather than the informal just [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► email Apple policy but I'm not and I'm [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► not entirely sure that the in in this [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► world where information is you know so [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► widely shared and it's so difficult to [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► know what other people know like how [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► long have you know blackhat hackers [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► known about this bug we don't know and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► they're not going to tell us and you [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► don't want the one thing we have learned [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► from these type of incidents is that [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► widespread publication of a bug gets it [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► fixed really fast and submitting it [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► through the proper channels does not [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► always get it fixed really fast so I'm [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► not quite sure what the right thing to [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► do here is it's not not clear-cut all [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► right do you want to tell us about what [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► Shawn writes about X protect s protect I [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► think is the either the internal or [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► external both names of the malware [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► system that Apple has on Mac OS where [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► they have signatures of malware and they [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► periodically update that behind the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► scenes without you knowing about it and [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► I think I mentioned in the show like you [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► don't even know that it's happening like [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► they're updating that malware whenever [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► the heck [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► feel like it and you have no choice in [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► the matter oh I think you can actually [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► disable it or whatever but on a default [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► system you are getting these updates [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► whether you like it or not unless you go [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► into the system preferences turn off a [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► little checkbox that says you get these [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► updates but if you're wondering when [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► they happen people are actually keeping [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► track of it and you can look at this [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► website we'll put a link in the show [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► notes it tells you when the updates are [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► and what things they protect against and [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► there's even a little shell script it [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► will tell you the last time it updated [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► on your computer that you can run [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► excellent all right so Ian Williamson [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► writes in and says that someone who's [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► previously had to join all of our [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► company Macs to Active Directory in [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► order to enforce corporate security [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► policies I wanted to confirm that yes it [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► causes a multitude of issues resulting [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► in these spinnings beat beach ball [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► recently though we're starting to [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► disconnect them all and replace that [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► with an apple tool called Enterprise [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► Connect which communicates with AD in a [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► much looser fashion so in case you're [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► not aware because your name is Marco or [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► you don't really have a real job Active [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► Directory is the I'm sure there's a term [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► for is it LDAP I don't even know but [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► it's it's the system by which many many [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► many many corporate environments manage [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► users and it's a Microsoft system and it [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► does not typically play terribly well [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► with Mac's which i think is slightly [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► Omak written like Microsoft's shoulders [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► but is largely on Apple's shoulders and [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► so I know that my IT guy at my work has [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► been complaining and moaning about [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► Apple's implementation of Active [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► Directory particularly recently because [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► I think they might have redone it or [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► something it has caused him no endless [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► amount of woes and he is actively [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► inquiring about this enterprise connect [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► thing that apparently is only given to [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the coolest of of clients of apples so I [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► don't know if you guys have anything to [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► add on that I'm sure Marco you do so [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► let's start with you I really don't this [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► is an entire world that I know nothing [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► about and I'm very happy to continue [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► knowing nothing about I wish I could do [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► that too but alas I cannot response to [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► me guessing why my computer was like [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► slow to wake and I got beach balls all [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► the time [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► I was attributing to Active Directory [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► mostly because I had previously had a [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► Mac that was not on the Active Directory [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► network and it was just so it was like a [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► normal Mac like a normal it was a [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► desktop too so that also helps waking [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► from sleep and it was immediately ready [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► to go and anyway I was blaming [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► activators [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► I think it was Marco suggested turning [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► off power nap [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► and and hibernate and I did that it did [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► not really make any change as far as I [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► can tell so I think my computer was not [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► hibernating and power nap was not an [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► issue I still you know I left the lid I [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► close the lid walk to my next meeting [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► sit down open the lid and there's a [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► fairly long period of time sometimes a [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► long period time before I can even log [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► in either with touch ID or otherwise I [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► usually give up on touch ID after I put [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► my finger there for a while and nothing [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► has happened and then I type my password [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► nothing also happens like I don't even [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► see the little dots appear on the screen [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► but very often it has registered my [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► typed password and if I just wait [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► including the return key that I hit and [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► if I just wait and wait and eventually [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► it will unlock and then I'll try to do [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► something that I'll get a beach ball so [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► I blame salon active directory and Ian [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► was writing him to talk about this [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► enterprise connect thing which is turn [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► to make a looser coupling between active [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► active directory here's the thing I [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► don't I don't know almost anything about [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► Active Directory other than the fact [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► that I am subjected to it I don't know [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► if my company my company might already [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► be using Enterprise Connect I might be [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► using the good version like for all I [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► know it is worse for people who are not [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► using Enterprise Connect so I really [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► have honestly no way of knowing whether [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► I'm currently using Enterprise Connect [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► or not if I'm not I would love for my [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► company to use it but somehow I don't [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► think that's in the cards because in [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► general like this time and the grand [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► scheme of things complaining that your [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► computer takes a while before you can [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► use it when you open the lid and you [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► know it's not that long it's like you [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► know maybe 20 seconds that is a [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► complaint that is probably falling on [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► deaf ears in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► enterprise IT I just kind of wish I [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► didn't have to deal with it we respond [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► to this week by fracture beautiful photo [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► prints directly on glass visit fractured [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► on me and save 15% off your first order [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► with code ATP 17 fracture prints look [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► amazing you know you should get your [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► photos printed sometimes because [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► if you just post them online like most [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► of us do after 12 hours they're off [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► everyone's timelines you'll never see [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► them again but if you get them printed [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► you have an actual artifact that you can [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► hang up in your house or prop up on your [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► desk or even better give it as a gift to [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► someone who will really enjoy it and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► this could be something traditional like [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► giving grandparents pictures of their [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► grandchildren and their grandpa peas or [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► it can be something fun that you do with [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► your friends like maybe you send each [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► other pictures that you that are inside [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► jokes to you that you find funny or just [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► pictures and fun times you had together [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► family friends co-workers whoever it is [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► they make wonderful gifts and fracture [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► knows this so do a lot of other people [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► so if you want to get it done in time [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► for the holidays please place your [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► orders now because here's the thing [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► every fracture they care a lot about [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► quality so every fracture is handmade by [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► human beings in Gainesville Florida [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► right here right in the US they are a [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► green company operating a carbon-neutral [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► factory they do things very very well [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► but what this means having all this [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► human you know hand involvement here is [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► that the holidays they get backed up [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► sometimes and so it's pretty close to [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► the holidays now they are already [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► starting to get a large volume of orders [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► in if you want a gift in time for the [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► holidays from fracture with which I [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► strongly recommend because these prints [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► look great they go edge to edge they're [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► printed right on glass you don't need to [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► frame them they fit well with any decor [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► they just look awesome modern clean [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► high-quality great colors great contrast [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► so you want these things but you got to [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► place those holiday orders now please [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► don't wait if you want them in front of [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► the holidays place those orders now [TS]

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00:19:28 ◼   ► on me and save 15% off your first order [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► with code ATP 17 thank you so much to [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► fracture for sponsoring our show last [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► week I got just a little bit fired up [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► with regard to the keyboard behavior on [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► iOS I have two pieces of follow-up about [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► this number one I had assumed it was all [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► me and that I'm just inept and I had a [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► tremendous amount of people write in to [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► say no no it's not just you [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► it's become hot garbage now nobody could [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► agree on when this happened a lot of [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► people said the same thing I did which [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► was right around iOS or I'm sorry it was [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► iPhone 6 ish whatever iOS was around [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► that time some people have said no no [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► it's actually with iOS 11 which I [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► disagree with but a lot of people said [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► no no you are not alone I cannot type my [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► type of my phone anymore that being said [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I have been mildly browbeat by my curly [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► to try G board which is Google's third [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► party keyboard which is pretty good but [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► I haven't trying that and when I am [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► typing rather than swiping I feel like [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► it's not any better which makes me think [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► this is a KC problem not an iOS problem [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► and apparently it's also a tons and tons [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► of listeners problem all at the same [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► time because if I can't type on on the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► Google keyboard and I can't type on the [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► Apple keyboard then that makes me think [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► I'm the problem or perhaps it was that [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► Apple was uniquely good at figuring out [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► what I meant and auto correcting things [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► or perhaps the the touch targets were [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► uniquely good at being the way I [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► expected them to be and now they're not [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► like somebody had suggested I don't [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► remember who it was that maybe their [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► touch targets got way bigger when [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► they're predicting what you're gonna [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► type so like let's say I'm typing the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► word there th e re then as so I type th [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► e and the touch target for the letter R [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► because you know Apple thinks oh my [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► Betty's gonna type in R the touch target [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► for R is just mammoth and if I'm trying [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► to type they then maybe I'll get the th [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► er instead does that make any sense it's [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► a very it's very hard to paint this word [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► picture but what I'm driving at is no [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► predictive touch target enlargement is [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► is a possible explanation though that is [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► completely supposition and I have no [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► facts to indicate that's that's true but [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► in any case one way or another I've been [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► trying G board and it's not really [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► working for me so far so it makes me [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► think it's a KC problem but I don't know [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► if you guys have any feedback on this [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► that means it's the case problems like [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► you said that G board is a totally [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► different keyboard right so that you we [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► have no idea what if how you how you are [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► typing on keyboard but you like you you [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► have the feeling and many many other [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► people who wrote and also have the [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► feeling that they were previously better [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► typing on the Apple keyboard and the [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► weird thing about the feedback like I [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► put it in here is like basically that [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► you're not alone but incredible variance [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► in the people people some people saying [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► it started two years ago it started with [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► iOS 10 yeah it started when I changed to [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► a bigger phone and start when I change [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► to a smaller phone and I don't know if [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► you just tap into some sort of like [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► deterioration of mass deterioration of [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► typing skills because it doesn't seem to [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► be any common thread like not it's not [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► like everyone agreed that iOS 11 hos [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► that there was not that agreement but [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► lots of people really feel like they are [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► now worse at typing than the use maybe [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► they're just all getting older and it's [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► like one of the first places that [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► they're noticing that they're getting [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► older what the only thing I saw that I [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► think could be attributable to software [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► is people complaining about autocorrect [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► going behind them and changing their [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► last three or something nonsensical and [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► I've noticed that as well and I think [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that is a new software edition where it [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► previously didn't used to like once you [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► moved on from something that be like oh [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that's fine but now it has like some [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► kind of thing where reconsiders the last [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► five words you've written and says oh I [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► see you were probably trying to work [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► this write this sequence of nonsense [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► five words and it goes back and corrects [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► them and that people find infuriating [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► and if you're getting so do I yep [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► completely agreed I'm glad you brought [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► that up because I'd forgotten about that [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► and yes I've seen that behavior and it [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► is driving me bananas [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Marco any thoughts about this point move [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► on I mean iOS changes autocorrect [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► behavior in lots of versions like you [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► know I'm sure iOS 10 changed in one way [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► I always loved and changed at different [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► ways now does like the machine learning [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► to predict difference or privacy [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► Corrections that are resulting in really [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► embarrassing bugs like that you know I [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► turning into the a box thing and and the [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► IT from it thing they're gonna work it [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► out you know I hope they do but you know [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► there's definitely changes here but [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► there's been changed before and they've [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► worked it out the only other thing I [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► could think of it might be a factor for [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► you is that you're also on an iPhone 10 [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► now because a different physical size [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► than what you were you [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► for the last few years and so that's [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► also probably contributing to just it's [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► different and your body has to get used [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► to it it could be but I mean this has [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► been happening since before the switch [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► that's what I mentioned last week that [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► are you sure it's not the size in case [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► he said well it could be but there are [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► other factors as well and everyone else [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► was said who complained about it was [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► very adamant that no it's not the size [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► except for the few people who said it [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► was the size but yeah it's it's it's [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► difficult in this type of thing because [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► even if it's not machine learning like [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► yeah the machine learning is the type of [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► thing where it's not like a human [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► program the exact set of rules for it to [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► behave it's supposed to learn on its own [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► and improve so it's very difficult to [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► know exactly how its behaving because [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► it's very much data-driven but even in [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► the rules based ones if the rules are [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► complicated enough and changed often [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► enough it still doesn't really help you [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► nail down [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► is this a better system than the one [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► that preceded it did it did our tweak to [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► this set of static rules help or hurt [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► it's kind of I mean I'm not sure how [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► you'd even measure that it's like a [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► satisfaction what typing satisfaction [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► measurement you just use face ID to look [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► at the person's face and see if they're [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► making a face like they just smelled [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► something gross as they're trying to [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► type Wow [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► speaking of smelling something gross [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► tell me about your touch bar you don't [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► smell the Dutch bar but do touch the [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► globe don't smell the globe smell the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► glove [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► sniff the glove come on chat room help [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► me I'm old and my brain doesn't work I [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► have no idea what you're talking about [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► yeah I noticed I didn't even bother [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► asking you to yeah well that was wise [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► you know as well smell the glove okay [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► thank you I feel a little bit better [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► final tap yeah still not your scene that [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► I should turn it up to 11 what I do yeah [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► there you go you know something's wrong [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► so I just wanted to mark this this point [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► in time where I got my 20 17 touch bar [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► micro whenever it was a couple months [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► ago and I've been using it and I do [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► despite the fact that's mostly in [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► clamshell on my desk want to go to [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► meetings and travel around the office I [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► do use it as an actual laptop and I [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► really feel like I've given the touch [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► bar you know a fair shake despite [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► continuing day the escape button or lack [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► thereof but I finally [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► did something that I've wanted to do [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► since they want but I've been resisting [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► which has changed that preference in the [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► keyboard settings that tells it to like [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► the default setting is allow [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► applications to change the touch bar so [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► that when you're in Safari you see like [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► safaris thumbnails and when you're in [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► mail you see like the mail buttons and [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► all that stuff right there's actually a [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► setting in System Preferences and the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► keyboard system preference it says don't [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► do that just show me the like the system [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► controls all the time so the function [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► keys and media control and the sound [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► things basically making it like a little [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► static graphical version of the regular [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► keys that are on the MacBook Escape and [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► I read isn't doing that because like [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► look if you're going to give the touch [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► bar a fair shake use it how it's [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► supposed to be used use it in the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► default settings allow the applications [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► to do all their stuff with it this who [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► knows maybe there's some application [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► that you use that you'll find the touch [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► bar really useful and that was not the [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► case and so and I was finding it [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► distracting as the touch bar like [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► changed from thing to thing as that like [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► command tabbed around and so I just [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► changed it to be static now so now I'm [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► effectively using little pictures of [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► keys that never change and I still wish [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► they were regular keys so I put me down [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► in the category of I can't say I'm an T [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► touch bar because I just don't like [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► laptops and so if I had to buy a laptop [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► it having a touch bar or not probably be [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► the least of my concerns but I didn't [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► find a place for the touch bar in my [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► life I just don't find myself looking at [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► that part of the machine when I'm using [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► it at all and maybe it's just because I [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► have all habits or whatever but it [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► didn't work out for me you were you were [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► talking with some people in one of the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► slacks that were in together and you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► were talking about uh it wasn't window [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► shade but I can't think of what it was [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► so let's just call it window shade and [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► you were talking about you know how you [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► still have window shade enabled again it [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► wasn't literally window shade but you [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► have window shade enabled even to this [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► day because you can't live without it [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► this example people gonna think I've run [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► window shade let's be clear I do not [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► well yeah I know but I can't remember [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► what the hell you talking about a [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► classic Mac window layering that's gotta [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► be it right maybe I don't know it [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► doesn't really matter the point of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► driving it I think it's [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► like window layering if I remember the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► conversation Greg there's people don't [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► know what that is but anyway I'm pretty [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► sure that's what it was so do you want [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► to briefly describe what that is then [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► that's just when you when you click a [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► window and classic Mac OS any window on [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the screen if the window belongs to a [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► different application than the frontmost [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► one like an app when it belongs to an [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► application that's not currently the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► active one [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► it doesn't just bring that window to the [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► front it brings that window and all the [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► other windows owned by that application [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► to the front and that's how I you know [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► use the Mac for 16 years before Mac OS [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► 10 came along that way and that's how I [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► like to use it and so I've during the [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► entire life of Mac OS 10 and on Mac OS [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► there have been various utilities that [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► would change the window server behavior [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► to act that way but in the Mac OS 10 [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► timeline not only do you get that [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► feature but you also most of the [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► utilities I've use have allowed you to [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► get back the other behavior because [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► maybe you show it behaviors I'm like oh [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► what if I just want wind one window to [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► come to the front that behavior is it's [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► not what I want at all all right it's [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► just a matter of what you prefer because [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► with the tools that I use you're just [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► changing what the default is so for me [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► shift click brings a single window to [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► the front and just regular click blings [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► all the windows have long to that [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► application to the front and some people [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► may like you to reverse where a regular [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► click just brings that one window and [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► then some modifier click brings all the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► windows or maybe you never want all the [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► windows to come but how I work based on [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► my habits [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► I want the default to be all windows [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► come to the front so I still do that I [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► didn't even know like yes she [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► shift-click doesn't do it by default it [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► doesn't seem but anyway no no is the [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► utility I think I'm using drag thing to [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► do it right now but it's very I think [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► native like the regular Mac out of the [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► box doesn't have a way for you to bring [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► all the windows to the front other than [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► clicking like a dock icon or whatever [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► like there's no modifier click on a [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► window to noon I think in any case the [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► reason I bring all this up is because it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► struck me hearing you talk about this [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► that you and many other like old-school [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► Mac people created these habits over the [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► course of years that either because your [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► petulantly stubborn or just used to it [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and probably both to be honest you just [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► can't break yourself of them and [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► I am glad that the list of things that I [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► have that are like that I feel like is [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► pretty small not to be fair Oh a young [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► child yes you think it's the little [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► small because your world hasn't yet [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► changed wait until everyone's in VR and [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► you're gonna be like I insist on using [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► my fingers because I use my fingers for [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► a really long time and you know what and [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► to that end actually the obvious answer [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► to this is no case you still prefer max [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► so you're old and you're you're relying [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► on old technology so your point is fair [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► but it's just it's striking to me how [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► you don't really like new things John I [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► think you're taking the wrong lesson for [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► this lesson this is like what is the [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► advantage for me changing my habits [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► there has to be an advantage that's to [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► be a reason for me to train myself out [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► of doing something that one reason could [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► be that there is literally no way to do [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► it the old way so guess what like hey [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► that's the stick version you have no [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► choice there is no more of that thing so [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► forget about it and whatever but if [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► there is a way to do it it's you know it [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► strips like what is the cost of like [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► enabling this way is it some hack that [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► destroys your system stability is it [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► something that you have to maintain and [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► carefully like upgrade and compile from [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► open source software or is like [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► jailbreaking where every time a new OS [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► comes out you have to get a new [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► jailbreak or whatever like that would be [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► the cost and the benefit is you just get [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► to continue to use your old habits and [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► it's not just habits in the case of [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► winter layering the way I use Windows [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► like my entire system of you know [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► dealing with Windows like this is an [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► important part of it the fact that I can [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► grab a corner of a window that belongs [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► to an application and bring all the [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► windows of that application to the front [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► like I don't have an alternate way to [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► manage windows in that way like if I [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► want to bring all the windows at the [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► front I've got to go down to the dock [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► icon but that that breaks my whole [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► system of arranging windows you know [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► spatially to have to use them as sort of [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► grab handles and to have locality of [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► cursor and not to constantly have to go [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► down to the bottom of the screen or to [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► the right or to the left or whatever so [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► there are benefits to that system and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► from for this particular feature the [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► drawbacks in terms of system stability [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► or maintenance of a weird program or [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► anything just haven't been there unlike [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► for example window shade which I ran for [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► a little while but eventually it was [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► clear that Apple was never going to add [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► it and you [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► really add that some really nasty hacks [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► to your system to use it so I I [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► abandoned window shade but this I didn't [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► abandon because it is a very minor [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► change very cleanly implemented by [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► multiple products that don't require any [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► hacks to my system whatsoever and so I [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► keep doing it so the lesson is not never [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► learned new things or don't pick up new [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► habit or whatever the lesson is you know [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► don't don't blindly abandon the old for [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► no benefit if there you know if it [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► continues to work for you yeah but the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► benefit is not having to do any sort of [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► tweaking right like something that Dan [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Benjamin said years and years and years [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► ago which I I don't a hundred percent [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► agree with but I understand his point [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► was that like one should embrace the [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► operating system defaults because it's [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► that much less tweaking and finagling in [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► messing about you need to do when you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► get a new machine you know because you [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► can just accept the defaults and move on [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and to be fair like I have a not [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► insignificant list of software that I [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► considered completely required for me to [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► use a computer for example Alfred for [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► example one password for example Dropbox [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► but in terms of like tweaking the system [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► I don't feel like I'm that particularly [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► needy I I say that because I'm probably [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► more needy than then I realized but I [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► don't think I'm that bad where is it [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► seems like John and maybe this is just [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► your advanced stage maybe it's your [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► advanced experience but the platform but [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► it seems like you're more needy in this [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► department than I am I think I'm using [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► less stuff than you as evidenced by my a [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► nice clean menubar but like but argument [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► only makes sense if you are forced to [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► live in a hotel environment where you [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► have to sit down in front of a fresh [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► computer every day and start your work [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► like we have migration assistant we have [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► upgrade installs of operating systems [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► like this is not an issue at all like I [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► don't spend time setting up my new Macs [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► like for the people who do that maybe [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► it's a fun thing they like to do well I [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► just wanna have a fresh system and reset [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► it up I never reset up a machine from [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► scratch I just I just do an upgrade [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► install or use migration assistant all [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► my stuff is already there and it's not [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► that much stuff and dragged thing I'm [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► running anyway because I like to have a [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► thing on the screen that I can click on [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► the just has applications in it doesn't [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► minimize windows or folders in it so I [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► use that as a separate application [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► separate from its functionality for the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► window layering but it just happens to [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► also do window layering so I'm getting [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► two for one out of that particular [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► application but no there's not that much [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► stuff I have my favorite applications I [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► run I think it runs zero system hacks of [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► any kind anymore like like literally [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► zero like nothing is a kernel extension [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► or a symbol plug-in or anything like [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► I don't I run very few things that even [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► display in the menu bar I run favorite [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► applications I like BBEdit I like drag [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► thing which is the plain old application [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► with no weird hacks you know I run slack [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► like we all do whether we like it or not [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► I was gonna say do any of us really run [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► slack or to slack run us like it's it's [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► a yeah it's a it's a fairly clean set up [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and as we all know it's not like I get [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► new Mac so often that I'm constantly [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► setting my handles everything for me [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► like honestly I don't I don't see any [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► particular advantage in being able to [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► stone and then in front of anybody's [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► random computer and be able to use it [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► comfortably because first of all it's [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► not true for almost anybody like if you [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► sit down there hit command space and [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► spotlight comes up what are you gonna do [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► where's your Alfred now right now like I [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► don't there's the whole point is it [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► except software you can install things [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► on it to make it nicer to use that's why [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► we like Mac's and so I have I attached [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► no benefit to being able to use a stock [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► Mac comfortably so do you have your [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► squirrel direction as natural or the [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► bogus old one I have the old way and [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► again it's a setting that I said once [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► back when they changed that setting like [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► seven years ago I've never touched the [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► setting again because it just migrates [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► from computer to computer like it's you [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► know how long did you try natural [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► scrolling John no not at all like what's [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► the benefit huh Apple added the option [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► for that why would I try it like they [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► you know it's not Apple at the option so [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► I didn't feel like I had to run in the [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► ax it happily takes away the option [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► guess what I'm gonna switch scroll [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► directions because what the hell choice [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► do I have [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► right but they haven't taken it away [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► it's still there and I can I click that [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► checkbox once many many years ago and I [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► never think about it again so Marco are [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► you natural scrolling or no didn't we [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► talk about this recently I thought we [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► did I thought we did but I couldn't [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► remember the I did but Casey tends to [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► forget yeah I'm also old scrolling [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► because for the same reason that [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► basically like [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► I like I tried I tried natural scrolling [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► when that option came out for like a [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► half a day and I was like nope because [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► god you're both sold for the same reason [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► no because for the same reason I was [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► already used to it and there was no [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► pressure to actually change so it's like [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► why should I go through the hassle of [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► relearning this when I don't actually [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► have to and maybe down the road I will [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► have to but when that happens I'll learn [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► it until then I don't want to and do you [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► spend time click on that checkbox lot no [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► you do it once and that's it even if the [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► frequency I buy new max it isn't a big [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► problem we are sponsored this week by [TS]