The Accidental Tech Podcast

256: A Heroic Threshold for Pain


00:00:00   so we should start tonight with a sitrep [TS]

00:00:02   situation report it is Wednesday the 9th [TS]

00:00:05   of January it is about 9 o'clock in the [TS]

00:00:07   evening one true time zone and as of [TS]

00:00:10   right now I'm still here but there is a [TS]

00:00:13   50/50 shot at home can I have to run out [TS]

00:00:15   of this episode in the middle of it so [TS]

00:00:17   this is gonna be an adventure for all [TS]

00:00:19   three and kind of four and I guess you [TS]

00:00:21   could almost even say five of us I might [TS]

00:00:24   need to leave Aaron might need to go to [TS]

00:00:26   the hospital and spring maybe here I [TS]

00:00:28   mean it is actually it is theoretically [TS]

00:00:30   feasible although I certainly don't hope [TS]

00:00:32   it's the case that by the time this show [TS]

00:00:35   stops recording I could have needed to [TS]

00:00:38   leave go to the hospital and Aaron could [TS]

00:00:40   hypothetically birth our second child [TS]

00:00:42   before you two shut up [TS]

00:00:44   that happened before you leave the house [TS]

00:00:45   let me tell you it's not even go there [TS]

00:00:49   Oh God do you want to tell that story [TS]

00:00:51   yeah John you have some experience with [TS]

00:00:52   this and I don't think I've told that [TS]

00:00:55   story at length on this podcast we don't [TS]

00:00:56   need to do it today we should start with [TS]

00:01:00   some follow-up though let's talk about [TS]

00:01:02   meltdown Spectre and all the things that [TS]

00:01:04   are happening my Tom lines a little [TS]

00:01:06   fuzzy cuz I've been a bit preoccupied so [TS]

00:01:08   we did have this link from Apple but [TS]

00:01:11   during the last recording right it'll [TS]

00:01:15   you be talking about the WebKit one no [TS]

00:01:18   no this is the original official okay [TS]

00:01:21   cuz the WebKit one is also excellent [TS]

00:01:22   yeah I didn't get a chance to read that [TS]

00:01:26   notes I've already downloaded the update [TS]

00:01:29   but I didn't want to read the note for [TS]

00:01:31   it it's nice that they release the [TS]

00:01:32   Safari update for old OS I am on staring [TS]

00:01:35   at El Cap right here and I got the [TS]

00:01:37   Safari update which I mean that's [TS]

00:01:39   another complaint people have about the [TS]

00:01:41   spectrum meltdown thing and a whole [TS]

00:01:42   Apple is handling it so like so where is [TS]

00:01:45   the kernel update for any version of [TS]

00:01:48   than the very very latest version of Mac [TS]

00:01:49   OS that's not really how Apple rolls [TS]

00:01:52   were just kind of disappointing you [TS]

00:01:53   would hope that Apple would this one [TS]

00:01:55   aspect that Apple should adopt a little [TS]

00:01:58   bit more of the enterprising Minds had [TS]

00:02:00   to say for super critical security [TS]

00:02:01   things maybe consider backporting some [TS]

00:02:05   number of versions instead of just [TS]

00:02:07   saying no the only thing that exists is [TS]

00:02:09   the very very bleeding edge you know [TS]

00:02:11   was gonna Apple Apple is gonna Apple all [TS]

00:02:14   right so it's can you walk me through [TS]

00:02:16   the official Apple statement if you [TS]

00:02:17   don't mind John [TS]

00:02:18   I was nothing much there this is another [TS]

00:02:20   one of these you know fairly [TS]

00:02:22   straightforward explanations just so the [TS]

00:02:23   last time the Apple didn't even have one [TS]

00:02:25   and it was just like they were just a [TS]

00:02:26   little bit late and putting it out but [TS]

00:02:28   it's not a super great explanation lots [TS]

00:02:30   of people have been sending links to [TS]

00:02:33   explanations that help them understand [TS]

00:02:35   what this is all about most of them I [TS]

00:02:39   found to be not to my liking because [TS]

00:02:42   like it's the difference in audience [TS]

00:02:44   it's like if you if most of the words we [TS]

00:02:47   said in the last shop didn't make any [TS]

00:02:48   sense to you you need a different kind [TS]

00:02:50   of explanation so those people who need [TS]

00:02:53   that kind of explanation are the ones [TS]

00:02:54   reading articles where they compare it [TS]

00:02:56   to a waiter or to like music or factory [TS]

00:03:02   or all sorts of things that use [TS]

00:03:04   analogies to real word things to try to [TS]

00:03:07   explain to people you know how [TS]

00:03:10   instruction pipelines work what [TS]

00:03:11   speculative execution is with branch [TS]

00:03:13   prediction there's stuff like that and [TS]

00:03:14   so it's it's been interesting to see the [TS]

00:03:16   different variety of analogies and [TS]

00:03:19   metaphors that are used in those [TS]

00:03:20   articles but apparently a lot of them [TS]

00:03:21   are really helping people understand [TS]

00:03:24   this in a way that for example our [TS]

00:03:26   previous show would not have and did not [TS]

00:03:28   so we apologize for that but we're glad [TS]

00:03:30   there's lots of good explainers out [TS]

00:03:31   there for you [TS]

00:03:32   I think the Raspberry Pi folks had yeah [TS]

00:03:36   one of the more popular let's say [TS]

00:03:41   laypersons explanation of it with it [TS]

00:03:43   with a great capper at the end where [TS]

00:03:45   they say after many many paragraphs of [TS]

00:03:47   laborious explanation raspberry pi [TS]

00:03:49   doesn't suffer this because we use CPUs [TS]

00:03:51   that don't have speculative execution [TS]

00:03:52   which is not really something to brag [TS]

00:03:54   about because that means they use cheap [TS]

00:03:56   very old very weak CPUs [TS]

00:03:59   because you know raspberry PI's is a [TS]

00:04:01   small cheap low powered thing but that's [TS]

00:04:05   it's nice for them let's see what else [TS]

00:04:09   what else has come out about this in the [TS]

00:04:10   meantime oh the second length here and [TS]

00:04:12   the same topic is this is the best web [TS]

00:04:16   page I found showing what the speed hit [TS]

00:04:19   is on the Mac for the patches that work [TS]

00:04:23   around this [TS]

00:04:25   and as always it's not you know there's [TS]

00:04:28   no clear-cut answer so as the summary of [TS]

00:04:30   this set this article says the main [TS]

00:04:33   question to be answered is if the [TS]

00:04:35   performance impact exists yes it is very [TS]

00:04:37   clear you want three graphs there's the [TS]

00:04:39   performance impact is it relevant it [TS]

00:04:41   depends and that's the worst kind of [TS]

00:04:43   ants what do you mean it depends it [TS]

00:04:44   really totally depends and exactly what [TS]

00:04:45   you're doing [TS]

00:04:46   exactly how many system calls you're [TS]

00:04:47   making another interesting thing to come [TS]

00:04:49   out of this article is another [TS]

00:04:51   measurement of the performance hit of a [TS]

00:04:53   PFS virtues versus HFS+ which like they [TS]

00:04:57   weren't intending to measure that but [TS]

00:04:58   they sort of accidentally did when they [TS]

00:04:59   compared like sierra to high sierra [TS]

00:05:02   without the patch to high sierra with [TS]

00:05:03   the patch the the performance impact of [TS]

00:05:05   a PFS the negative performance impact of [TS]

00:05:08   a PFS encrypted a PFS far outweighs the [TS]

00:05:12   impact of this security patch so I don't [TS]

00:05:16   know if we've talked about that before [TS]

00:05:17   but a BFS in general it's lower than [TS]

00:05:19   HFS+ and most of the benchmarks which I [TS]

00:05:22   would think it to be expected because [TS]

00:05:23   hfs+ was a file system that was tuned to [TS]

00:05:27   be acceptable fast on a computer and [TS]

00:05:29   like you know 1989 or whatever so it's [TS]

00:05:32   massively overmatched by the the power [TS]

00:05:34   we have now and a PFS has way more [TS]

00:05:35   features in it so a more modern file [TS]

00:05:37   system and so it's not going to be as [TS]

00:05:40   fast as something that used to run [TS]

00:05:41   really well on a Mac se hopefully AP FS [TS]

00:05:44   will get faster in the future right but [TS]

00:05:46   you know it's very new but it just plain [TS]

00:05:48   does more it has more features than HFS+ [TS]

00:05:50   and more safety the space great [TS]

00:05:53   peripherals are selling for hilarious [TS]

00:05:56   prices on ebay the three of us were kind [TS]

00:05:59   of giggling about the thought that oh [TS]

00:06:00   since these are so rare that they may [TS]

00:06:03   command I mean probably will command [TS]

00:06:05   some amount of premium over what a [TS]

00:06:06   regular device would look like so quick [TS]

00:06:08   refresher the iMac pros since it's that [TS]

00:06:10   sexy Space Gray the peripherals also [TS]

00:06:13   have to be sexy Space Gray and by [TS]

00:06:16   default you can order the computer with [TS]

00:06:18   a a 10 what do you call full-size now so [TS]

00:06:21   not a 10 kilos a full-size bluetooth [TS]

00:06:24   Apple keyboard and either a Magic Mouse [TS]

00:06:27   or Magic Trackpad or you can optionally [TS]

00:06:28   for some amount of money I don't [TS]

00:06:30   remember how much you can get both the [TS]

00:06:31   trackpad and the mouse these are only [TS]

00:06:34   available if you buy a imac pro so [TS]

00:06:36   naturally there [TS]

00:06:38   very fancy and special somebody is dug [TS]

00:06:41   up some eBay listings that if you're [TS]

00:06:43   listening to this far in the future will [TS]

00:06:45   probably not be available but a triplet [TS]

00:06:48   of magic keyboard trackpad and mouse is [TS]

00:06:50   not going for went as of yesterday for [TS]

00:06:56   $1,080 so that's $1,000 for a fact pad a [TS]

00:06:59   keyboard and a mouse oh and presumably a [TS]

00:07:01   light a bespoke lightning cable actually [TS]

00:07:03   oh the black lightning cable of course I [TS]

00:07:09   refuse to believe these are real people [TS]

00:07:11   these have to be speculators but there's [TS]

00:07:13   at least like if you if you search a [TS]

00:07:16   base sold items for like Space Gray [TS]

00:07:18   Magic Trackpad you get all these [TS]

00:07:19   listings and it's there's no that's why [TS]

00:07:22   I put this in there because we thought [TS]

00:07:23   they wouldn't sell for that much and [TS]

00:07:24   they totally are selling for a lot of [TS]

00:07:26   money the question is who are they [TS]

00:07:27   selling to and that's the second [TS]

00:07:28   everything is like so are real people [TS]

00:07:30   actually putting this much talking eyes [TS]

00:07:32   or is it speculation where people [TS]

00:07:35   believe that this will be a high ticket [TS]

00:07:38   item for a long time I continue to [TS]

00:07:40   believe that Apple will eventually that [TS]

00:07:42   Apple will eventually allow you to buy [TS]

00:07:45   peripherals that are this color [TS]

00:07:46   separately which will of course destroy [TS]

00:07:48   the market for these things so I hope [TS]

00:07:49   the people who bought them are able to [TS]

00:07:51   resell them at a profit before that [TS]

00:07:53   happens but I don't know when that will [TS]

00:07:54   happen [TS]

00:07:55   presumably I mean this is kind of like [TS]

00:07:56   trying to be like an iPhone speculator [TS]

00:07:58   like unlike the biggest market for these [TS]

00:08:01   things is behind us and it's going down [TS]

00:08:03   everyday not up so like anybody buying [TS]

00:08:06   these for this price like they're the [TS]

00:08:08   worst speculators in the world like it's [TS]

00:08:09   like if these are only gonna get more [TS]

00:08:12   common and more available over time like [TS]

00:08:14   they're and they're really cool right [TS]

00:08:16   now or really two weeks ago because [TS]

00:08:19   they're brand new and no one's seen them [TS]

00:08:21   before in these colors but like that is [TS]

00:08:23   a very temporary thing the window of [TS]

00:08:25   time to make a profit there is very [TS]

00:08:27   short the only way would work is if if [TS]

00:08:29   Apple never makes another space gray [TS]

00:08:32   computer with space Berger who's like if [TS]

00:08:33   the iMac Pro like they continue to make [TS]

00:08:35   the iMac Pro but it changes color and [TS]

00:08:36   this was like the only generation of [TS]

00:08:38   these things then you could have some [TS]

00:08:40   value but just ask somebody [TS]

00:08:41   Stephen Hackett with an Apple TV not [TS]

00:08:45   that one no no not that one no the other [TS]

00:08:48   one No [TS]

00:08:49   that one the black known up this black [TS]

00:08:51   one I don't know how to refer to the [TS]

00:08:53   Apple TV it was a giant macintosh [TS]

00:08:55   computer that could also be a television [TS]

00:08:56   it was also hideously was also black and [TS]

00:08:59   it was from and that was it there wasn't [TS]

00:09:02   like a huge collection of black desktop [TS]

00:09:05   macintosh computers surrounding that [TS]

00:09:06   even that doesn't every tain its value [TS]

00:09:08   that well so i mean now marco you've got [TS]

00:09:11   me convinced now I'm starting to hope [TS]

00:09:13   that these are really are individual [TS]

00:09:14   people because like if they're [TS]

00:09:16   speculators they're probably going to be [TS]

00:09:18   disappointed but if they're individuals [TS]

00:09:20   maybe they're happy with their thousand [TS]

00:09:22   dollar purchase of a keyboard and mouse [TS]

00:09:23   thing yeah like lightning and black [TS]

00:09:26   Apple stickers we forgot about that you [TS]

00:09:27   can get those at the Mac Pro though [TS]

00:09:28   those are dime a dozen just go by a [TS]

00:09:30   trash can yeah you know I'll throw in [TS]

00:09:32   and buy some black stickers I'll throw [TS]

00:09:33   in a trash can for free so regardless as [TS]

00:09:37   of the time of this recording that full [TS]

00:09:39   set went for $1000 a trackpad is for [TS]

00:09:42   sale for 310 dollars or more and a magic [TS]

00:09:45   mouse is for sale for $295 or more and [TS]

00:09:48   really while you guys were talking it [TS]

00:09:51   occurred to me that that if they're in [TS]

00:09:53   really and truly loved me she would go [TS]

00:09:55   ahead and have this baby immediately [TS]

00:09:56   because I'm going to be purchasing my [TS]

00:09:59   false set from under score and he has [TS]

00:10:01   told me that he will bring them down [TS]

00:10:02   when he comes to visit to meet sprigs so [TS]

00:10:04   the quicker that she can pop this baby [TS]

00:10:06   out the quicker I can get my fancy black [TS]

00:10:08   peripherals so really this is this is [TS]

00:10:10   all about me and that's that's what she [TS]

00:10:12   really needs to be considerate of I mean [TS]

00:10:13   there is a faster way to get them the [TS]

00:10:19   auction spend I believe it's Apple calm [TS]

00:10:21   slash iMac - Pro - buy or something yeah [TS]

00:10:23   yeah it's alright so many five times [TS]

00:10:26   expensive is the peripherals by [TS]

00:10:28   themselves that isn't that a reasonable [TS]

00:10:30   I already bought mine from Jason by the [TS]

00:10:33   way I use the the Apple messages payment [TS]

00:10:37   that I was that the first time I use it [TS]

00:10:39   maybe I sent Casey someone it is called [TS]

00:10:41   Apple pay cash and I have now sold two [TS]

00:10:43   computers with it anyway a mine is on my [TS]

00:10:46   way to me my keyboard just the keyboard [TS]

00:10:48   itself I did not pay $1000 Jason took [TS]

00:10:51   pity on you had answered no I'm not [TS]

00:10:53   going to sell the keyboard it's not for [TS]

00:10:55   sale I just noticed today I had a friend [TS]

00:10:59   of mine had purchased for me a couple of [TS]

00:11:01   pieces of clothing [TS]

00:11:02   from the Apple park visitors center and [TS]

00:11:04   I paid him with Apple pay cash [TS]

00:11:07   apparently disclosed at some point that [TS]

00:11:10   I'd forgotten or just not well disclosed [TS]

00:11:11   that if you use a credit card for Apple [TS]

00:11:13   pay cash there's a 3% service charge [TS]

00:11:16   which I was not aware of so this $50 [TS]

00:11:18   transaction was like a $52 transaction [TS]

00:11:21   not a big deal but it was very [TS]

00:11:22   surprising when I'm looking at my [TS]

00:11:23   iMessage history and seeing it was you [TS]

00:11:25   know 50 dollars and 20 cents or whatever [TS]

00:11:26   that wasn't hell it was and then I'm [TS]

00:11:28   looking at my bank statement saying it [TS]

00:11:30   was $52 again whatever the numbers were [TS]

00:11:32   and I did not expect that so pro tip if [TS]

00:11:35   you're going to be using Apple pay cash [TS]

00:11:36   use a debit card but did you get [TS]

00:11:38   frequent flyer miles or Amazon Prime [TS]

00:11:40   points or cash back to offset that 3% [TS]

00:11:43   now I will eventually get a smattering [TS]

00:11:46   of cash back probably lessons yet but [TS]

00:11:48   you're not gonna get 3% this is the [TS]

00:11:51   entire rack of the credit card business [TS]

00:11:53   is like you know they they have these I [TS]

00:11:54   forget where they call interchange fees [TS]

00:11:56   something like that look as part of that [TS]

00:11:58   3% and and it's like but usually the [TS]

00:12:00   vendor pays it not you yeah there's no [TS]

00:12:02   way to charge to charge money to a [TS]

00:12:04   credit card without somebody paying a [TS]

00:12:06   fee of at least around two and a half [TS]

00:12:09   percent depending on you know their [TS]

00:12:10   their merchants deal and everything it's [TS]

00:12:12   like someone's paying that some way or [TS]

00:12:14   if using a credit card debit cards are [TS]

00:12:15   all different and don't work that way [TS]

00:12:16   bank transfers are different and don't [TS]

00:12:18   work that way but credit cards all work [TS]

00:12:20   that way like someone is paying that fee [TS]

00:12:21   jhanas right usually it's the vendor in [TS]

00:12:24   this case you know it's like if you want [TS]

00:12:26   the person to receive this money then [TS]

00:12:28   you have to pay the fee you know if you [TS]

00:12:30   wanted to receive 50 bucks and not 47 or [TS]

00:12:32   whatever you know you you're paying 50 [TS]

00:12:34   to to give them 50 but that's just the [TS]

00:12:36   nature of credit cards and sending money [TS]

00:12:38   online [TS]

00:12:38   yeah I'm not you know like disappointed [TS]

00:12:41   by this or if I am I'm just pointing [TS]

00:12:43   myself for not having remembered but it [TS]

00:12:44   was something that I did not expect so [TS]

00:12:47   this is your PSA ladies and gentlemen [TS]

00:12:49   use a debit card if you can also note [TS]

00:12:51   that the rewards that you're gonna get [TS]

00:12:53   for that are probably not exceeding [TS]

00:12:55   about 1.5% [TS]

00:12:57   it's that would like the really good [TS]

00:12:59   rewards end up being along the lines of [TS]

00:13:01   1.5% [TS]

00:13:02   anybody out there who thinks like oh [TS]

00:13:03   I'll pay the surcharge for something but [TS]

00:13:06   I'll get it back and rewards no you [TS]

00:13:08   won't [TS]

00:13:08   the house always wins we had a couple of [TS]

00:13:12   people write in that are either ex Apple [TS]

00:13:15   geniuses or Apple [TS]

00:13:16   geniuses and they made the same point [TS]

00:13:19   which was part of the reason that Apple [TS]

00:13:21   geniuses tend to be reluctant to do a [TS]

00:13:25   battery replacement is that often times [TS]

00:13:28   that isn't really the problem you know [TS]

00:13:31   sometimes a slowdown or or perhaps a [TS]

00:13:34   really tough battery situation is [TS]

00:13:37   because you've been playing a shedload [TS]

00:13:38   of Pokemon go and you didn't disclose [TS]

00:13:41   that when you were talked in the genius [TS]

00:13:42   and the easier answer rather than either [TS]

00:13:45   charging Apple money or charging the [TS]

00:13:46   customer money even more importantly is [TS]

00:13:48   to just say hey maybe cool it on the [TS]

00:13:51   couch in the pokey man's maybe that'll [TS]

00:13:52   do a little better for you so they that [TS]

00:13:55   was an interesting point I hadn't [TS]

00:13:57   considered yeah like it's like you said [TS]

00:14:00   it we got this feedback a lot and it's [TS]

00:14:02   not like they're refusing to do it for [TS]

00:14:04   your own good it's the what they're [TS]

00:14:06   trying to avoid is a situation where a [TS]

00:14:08   customer comes in and says I have a [TS]

00:14:09   problem and then the customer this must [TS]

00:14:12   happen all the time the customer decides [TS]

00:14:13   they know what the solution did the [TS]

00:14:14   problem is this isn't exclusive to [TS]

00:14:16   battery it's just whatever anything it [TS]

00:14:18   could be your car or a vacuum cleaner or [TS]

00:14:20   whatever you know customer has a problem [TS]

00:14:22   and customer says and by the way I'm [TS]

00:14:24   also sure I know how to fix this problem [TS]

00:14:25   I want you to replace the belt on my [TS]

00:14:28   whatever I want you to you know give me [TS]

00:14:30   a new whatever like they they have [TS]

00:14:32   diagnose the problem they know exactly [TS]

00:14:34   what's wrong and they just say look just [TS]

00:14:36   don't don't give me a runaround just you [TS]

00:14:39   know put a new battery in my car right I [TS]

00:14:41   mean deal listen working over these [TS]

00:14:43   stipulation cars you know what I mean [TS]

00:14:44   that's what volt thing [TS]

00:14:45   what acid oh I have one of those too [TS]

00:14:46   yeah maybe maybe the problem is like an [TS]

00:14:50   engine control unit or maybe it's a [TS]

00:14:51   gasket that's blown over and like so the [TS]

00:14:53   person who wants to look at your assets [TS]

00:14:54   let us the car fixing experts look at [TS]

00:14:57   your car and run all or a little [TS]

00:14:59   Diagnostics and we'll tell you what's [TS]

00:15:00   wrong with that but no no the customer [TS]

00:15:01   says I don't care what you find I know [TS]

00:15:03   that this is exactly what I need and [TS]

00:15:06   service centers or Apple or whatever are [TS]

00:15:08   reluctant to do that because if I say [TS]

00:15:10   okay we'll do it and they do it even if [TS]

00:15:13   they do it for free but but especially [TS]

00:15:15   if they charge you to do it right and [TS]

00:15:17   then they give the thing back to you and [TS]

00:15:19   say okay we did what you asked we [TS]

00:15:20   replaced your whatever here you go then [TS]

00:15:23   they come back the next day and said the [TS]

00:15:24   problems still there and now you have [TS]

00:15:26   the argument it's like well you know we [TS]

00:15:28   didn't say this would fix your problem [TS]

00:15:29   but you insist [TS]

00:15:30   did we do this because you thought it [TS]

00:15:31   would fix your problem but it turns out [TS]

00:15:32   it didn't and that's a conversation you [TS]

00:15:33   never won't have with the customer [TS]

00:15:34   because they're gonna be like I don't [TS]

00:15:35   care about the globe lock [TS]

00:15:37   so what Happel wants to do is you [TS]

00:15:40   customer just describe your problem and [TS]

00:15:41   then we'll figure out what it takes to [TS]

00:15:43   fix it whether that's gonna give you a [TS]

00:15:44   completely new device or replace a bunch [TS]

00:15:46   of parts or whatever it's gonna be but [TS]

00:15:47   if you come to us and demand we do a [TS]

00:15:49   specific thing especially if you demand [TS]

00:15:51   we do it for free under warranty it [TS]

00:15:53   could just be a waste of both of our [TS]

00:15:54   times so that's all well and good and we [TS]

00:15:56   heard that from a lot of people and I [TS]

00:15:57   know I know where they're coming from [TS]

00:15:59   and sometimes I know where customers are [TS]

00:16:00   coming from because sometimes I'm that [TS]

00:16:01   customer who says look I just just do [TS]

00:16:03   this just just replace this thing I [TS]

00:16:06   won't yell at you if it doesn't work [TS]

00:16:07   what I'm pretty sure this is it but my [TS]

00:16:09   question to a couple these Apple [TS]

00:16:11   geniuses was okay fine whatever say [TS]

00:16:13   somebody comes in like I did and says [TS]

00:16:15   there's nothing wrong with my phone I [TS]

00:16:18   don't actually have a problem all I want [TS]

00:16:21   to do is give you money and exchange for [TS]

00:16:23   that money you take out the battery [TS]

00:16:25   that's in there and put in a new one and [TS]

00:16:27   for the most part the appletinis has [TS]

00:16:29   said yeah we'll do that like as long as [TS]

00:16:31   we're all on the same page that there's [TS]

00:16:33   not an actual problem that we're trying [TS]

00:16:34   to solve like there's no acknowledged [TS]

00:16:36   problem at all it's just a thing you [TS]

00:16:37   want to happen not gonna do it under [TS]

00:16:40   warranty for free if there's no problem [TS]

00:16:41   obviously because that's just wasteful [TS]

00:16:43   and that was one angle that some people [TS]

00:16:44   brought up is the waste of like if you [TS]

00:16:46   have a perfectly good battery us [TS]

00:16:48   replacing it even if you pass is not [TS]

00:16:50   particularly environmentally conscious [TS]

00:16:52   because batteries are all filled with [TS]

00:16:54   the you know heavy metals and other [TS]

00:16:56   things that are not great so why would [TS]

00:16:58   you take a perfectly good battery and [TS]

00:16:59   throw away and replace it with another [TS]

00:17:00   one so I kind of see that angle too but [TS]

00:17:04   in the end I feel like if someone comes [TS]

00:17:06   in with a lot of money especially it was [TS]

00:17:08   $80 and not thirty and says my phone has [TS]

00:17:11   no problems but please replace don't [TS]

00:17:12   matter you should do so and like I said [TS]

00:17:13   I did that and they did replace it for [TS]

00:17:15   me but there was a weird pause about it [TS]

00:17:17   so it would be better if there was less [TS]

00:17:19   mystery surrounding this process and it [TS]

00:17:21   would be much better if more customers [TS]

00:17:23   knew how how accessible battery [TS]

00:17:27   replacements are for their iOS devices [TS]

00:17:29   of course this or I should say it use [TS]

00:17:31   past tense how accessible they were [TS]

00:17:33   because the other strain of feedback we [TS]

00:17:35   got is from long-suffering Apple retail [TS]

00:17:38   employees who are now in the midst of [TS]

00:17:41   what they described as a [TS]

00:17:43   situation where many many angry [TS]

00:17:45   customers are coming to the stores [TS]

00:17:46   wanting new batteries and they don't [TS]

00:17:48   have any new batteries and there's like [TS]

00:17:50   a week-long wait time and people are [TS]

00:17:51   super angry and like I want my free [TS]

00:17:53   battery and the public understanding of [TS]

00:17:56   this problem as we predicted is not very [TS]

00:17:58   good people are just angry and just want [TS]

00:18:00   either new batteries for free or new [TS]

00:18:02   phones and they're even more angry when [TS]

00:18:04   you tell them that even if we could give [TS]

00:18:07   you what you want you have to wait a [TS]

00:18:08   week so for Apple but it's kind of their [TS]

00:18:11   own deal this is kind of it reminds me [TS]

00:18:15   of the Takata Takata whatever it is [TS]

00:18:17   airbag recall because I got a notice for [TS]

00:18:19   my car jeez I'm gonna say like a year [TS]

00:18:22   ago maybe even more that oh your airbag [TS]

00:18:25   is screwed up and hey it may kill you [TS]

00:18:27   but there's nothing we can do about it [TS]

00:18:29   right now because we don't have any and [TS]

00:18:31   it wasn't replaced until just a couple [TS]

00:18:33   of months back that to me is a far more [TS]

00:18:36   egregious issue in that if I got in an [TS]

00:18:40   accident the airbag that's supposed to [TS]

00:18:42   save my life might actually injure me [TS]

00:18:43   whereas this is just oh my phone isn't [TS]

00:18:45   working as quickly as I want and man I [TS]

00:18:48   took a lot I've heard a lot of grumpy [TS]

00:18:50   people that were upset at me for not you [TS]

00:18:53   know taking Apple you know behind the [TS]

00:18:56   shed and shooting it in the face or [TS]

00:18:58   whatever because I was not extremely [TS]

00:19:00   drunk about this battery issue that [TS]

00:19:02   analogy fell off fell down as soon as I [TS]

00:19:03   open my mouth interesting child [TS]

00:19:06   discipline technique that fell down as [TS]

00:19:10   soon as I open my mouth but it was too [TS]

00:19:11   late but anyway we'll fix it in post the [TS]

00:19:14   point I'm driving up there was really [TS]

00:19:15   grumpy I know we want that that were [TS]

00:19:17   real grumpy that I wasn't that I wasn't [TS]

00:19:19   grumpy about this you know slow down [TS]

00:19:20   thing and I'm sorry but like hey I'm [TS]

00:19:24   sorry if an older phone isn't as fast as [TS]

00:19:27   it once was like everyone needs to take [TS]

00:19:29   a damn chill pill it's frustrating yes [TS]

00:19:31   but holy cow people are really worked up [TS]

00:19:33   about this it's not an airbag it's not a [TS]

00:19:36   malfunctioning seatbelt it's a telephone [TS]

00:19:39   it'll be okay speaking of cars and [TS]

00:19:42   recalls I have an annoying experience [TS]

00:19:43   with my Honda recently they had some [TS]

00:19:45   recall thing and I was I was think I was [TS]

00:19:47   going in for regular service anyway or [TS]

00:19:48   maybe he was just encouraging me to go [TS]

00:19:50   in but it was some recall Mike fine [TS]

00:19:51   whatever do my recall thing it's free [TS]

00:19:52   you know not a big deal was like a [TS]

00:19:54   battery it was one of those paranoid [TS]

00:19:56   things were like if you get a bunch of [TS]

00:19:58   salt on this battery terminal it could [TS]

00:19:59   potentially spark and do a blah blah [TS]

00:20:01   blah and it's like that's never gonna [TS]

00:20:03   happen [TS]

00:20:03   like yes there's salt everywhere but I'm [TS]

00:20:05   not afraid my thing is gonna explode you [TS]

00:20:07   can you know I could see the battery [TS]

00:20:08   it's sitting right there it's not in [TS]

00:20:09   danger of spewing flame anyway whatever [TS]

00:20:11   so fine they do some battery terminal [TS]

00:20:14   watch your mozi and I thought was fine [TS]

00:20:16   and then like two months later I get [TS]

00:20:18   another recall message and like oh I can [TS]

00:20:20   ignore that I already did that recall [TS]

00:20:21   and wherever like no this is a different [TS]

00:20:23   recall like for the same thing for the [TS]

00:20:25   battery terminal and my vague [TS]

00:20:27   understanding of this I was mostly just [TS]

00:20:28   too annoyed to look into it very deeply [TS]

00:20:30   was that the first recall was like a a [TS]

00:20:34   temporary patch where they just threw [TS]

00:20:37   some goop on something or sealed [TS]

00:20:38   something up to prevent this potential [TS]

00:20:40   sparking giant explosion from the [TS]

00:20:43   battery because they didn't have enough [TS]

00:20:45   of the replacement part that they wanted [TS]

00:20:48   that they should have replaced it with [TS]

00:20:49   and the second recall is hey guess what [TS]

00:20:51   we got the replacement parts now so come [TS]

00:20:53   back in and we'll get rid of that little [TS]

00:20:54   temporary fix we did and put in the [TS]

00:20:56   replacement part I suppose it's nice [TS]

00:20:57   that they would do two recalls are free [TS]

00:20:58   but as anyone where the car knows it you [TS]

00:21:02   know even more so than with phones and [TS]

00:21:04   maybe equally so with an all-in-one [TS]

00:21:06   computer like Marcos iMac the worst part [TS]

00:21:09   of any of these things is having to go [TS]

00:21:11   in to the dealer or having to go in at [TS]

00:21:13   all doesn't really matter what they do [TS]

00:21:15   when they're there or if it costs no [TS]

00:21:16   money the time and hassle of just [TS]

00:21:18   getting the car to the dealer and [TS]

00:21:20   waiting while they do whatever it's so [TS]

00:21:22   much worse than any other aspect of the [TS]

00:21:24   experience that it almost doesn't matter [TS]

00:21:26   what they do so you had to go to the [TS]

00:21:28   dealer two times at least with the Apple [TS]

00:21:31   thing you only have to go once unless I [TS]

00:21:33   suppose you take it two hour drive to [TS]

00:21:35   the mall get there and find out they [TS]

00:21:36   tell you that you have to come back in a [TS]

00:21:38   week when they have batteries in stock [TS]

00:21:39   yeah I've had similar issues with [TS]

00:21:42   service issues with Tesla like they just [TS]

00:21:45   are out of every part ever all the time [TS]

00:21:48   and like they had a batter if they had a [TS]

00:21:50   parking brake recall last summer I still [TS]

00:21:54   haven't gotten done I'm still waiting [TS]

00:21:55   for them to call me told me to have my [TS]

00:21:56   part in like I've called him like every [TS]

00:21:58   like three months or so to check on this [TS]

00:22:01   meantime don't park on Hills but oh yeah [TS]

00:22:04   it was apparently a minor thing but like [TS]

00:22:06   like I also I order [TS]

00:22:08   snow tires on in like early December [TS]

00:22:12   sometime and when you order something [TS]

00:22:14   from Tesla's online parts store [TS]

00:22:15   something like that that like has to be [TS]

00:22:16   installed somehow somewhere what they do [TS]

00:22:19   is they just deliver it to your local [TS]

00:22:21   service center and then they call you [TS]

00:22:23   and/or email you when it's ready to and [TS]

00:22:24   you set up an appointment to get it [TS]

00:22:26   installed so what are these snow tires [TS]

00:22:28   in early December time goes by i got [TS]

00:22:31   nothing i get no emails there's no order [TS]

00:22:33   status lookup page there's nothing like [TS]

00:22:35   this is it's like it's like an online [TS]

00:22:37   store designed in 1992 like there's like [TS]

00:22:40   it's the most bare-bones thing ever you [TS]

00:22:42   halfway expect to see a clear form [TS]

00:22:44   button on the bottom like it's that it's [TS]

00:22:46   that bare-bones yeah so like middle of [TS]

00:22:48   last week I'm like you know it's snowing [TS]

00:22:50   constantly I really could use the snow [TS]

00:22:52   tires where the heck are they [TS]

00:22:54   and I still had nothing from Tesla and I [TS]

00:22:56   got an email saying please rate your [TS]

00:22:59   recent service experience at Tesla and I [TS]

00:23:02   couldn't get any service recently I [TS]

00:23:04   wonder if maybe their system just didn't [TS]

00:23:08   send me that email screwed up in all [TS]

00:23:10   these different ways but maybe it [TS]

00:23:12   thought that them arriving at the [TS]

00:23:14   service center was a service visit and [TS]

00:23:16   generated that email so I called the [TS]

00:23:19   service center and sure enough they're [TS]

00:23:20   like oh yeah we have them in now like oh [TS]

00:23:23   just been showing out thanks for telling [TS]

00:23:25   me [TS]

00:23:26   they're the office mascot now you're for [TS]

00:23:27   snow tires yeah oh yeah when do you want [TS]

00:23:29   to come and have them install everything [TS]

00:23:35   with Tesla service and parts is a [TS]

00:23:38   disaster and just trying to get things [TS]

00:23:40   there and availability everything's [TS]

00:23:42   constantly back ordered and like the [TS]

00:23:44   cars are so great I'm so happy with the [TS]

00:23:47   car but God if you ever need to wait for [TS]

00:23:49   a part it's not good experience yeah [TS]

00:23:52   it's alright so tell me about iPhone 10 [TS]

00:23:56   screen burnin the question we had about [TS]

00:23:59   the apples for solid phone oh it has [TS]

00:24:02   burning issues supposedly were spell [TS]

00:24:03   burnin issues than LCD and but of course [TS]

00:24:07   Android phone said had all its greens [TS]

00:24:09   for a long time so presumably it was a [TS]

00:24:11   known quantity this is the first test [TS]

00:24:12   I've seen of an actual iPhone 10 versus [TS]

00:24:16   a couple of popular Android phones with [TS]

00:24:18   OLED screens for burnin unfortunately it [TS]

00:24:21   is [TS]

00:24:21   all in what are we gonna say is that [TS]

00:24:24   Chinese Korean I'm not good at looking [TS]

00:24:27   at a text and telling exactly what [TS]

00:24:30   sighing Korean age you look for the [TS]

00:24:31   closed circles because there's this [TS]

00:24:33   looks more Korean to me but I'm not sure [TS]

00:24:35   yeah Chinese and Japanese don't have the [TS]

00:24:37   closed circles thingy identified [TS]

00:24:39   Japanese the best anyway all that is to [TS]

00:24:41   say I don't know what it says except [TS]

00:24:43   what Google Translate tells me there's a [TS]

00:24:44   YouTube video and an article but the [TS]

00:24:46   upshot of it appears to be that the [TS]

00:24:47   iPhone 10 resisted burning much much [TS]

00:24:51   better than the two other Android phones [TS]

00:24:53   that they tested they they had it on [TS]

00:24:55   full brightness on the same image for [TS]

00:24:56   like hundreds of hours to get very mild [TS]

00:24:58   burnin so it looks pretty good probably [TS]

00:25:01   probably better than like say my iPad 3 [TS]

00:25:04   or many other past LCD iOS devices that [TS]

00:25:08   I found suffer pretty severe image [TS]

00:25:10   retention after a couple of years [TS]

00:25:11   obviously this iPhone 10 is a new ish [TS]

00:25:12   it's not a three-year-old iPhone 10 but [TS]

00:25:14   compared to its compared to a couple of [TS]

00:25:17   contemporary phones it looks like it's [TS]

00:25:19   pretty good so I think Apple got a [TS]

00:25:20   pretty good screen here chat room says [TS]

00:25:22   Korean survey circles close circles [TS]

00:25:25   that's the secret we are sponsored this [TS]

00:25:28   week by fracture beautiful photos [TS]

00:25:30   printed directly on glass because it [TS]

00:25:33   fractured on me and get 15% off your [TS]

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00:25:38   fracture prints are awesome we have them [TS]

00:25:41   all over our house we have huge ones we [TS]

00:25:43   have tiny ones all the sizes in between [TS]

00:25:45   fracture prints are just great whenever [TS]

00:25:47   people see them they always ask what are [TS]

00:25:49   those or if they're podcast listeners [TS]

00:25:50   they say are those for extra prints [TS]

00:25:51   because they they just look so nice in [TS]

00:25:54   person and also they make wonderful [TS]

00:25:56   gifts that we've given them as gifts [TS]

00:25:58   numerous times and we get great [TS]

00:26:00   responses each time especially if like [TS]

00:26:02   getting pictures of say our kid to give [TS]

00:26:05   to his grandparents these make such good [TS]

00:26:08   gifts now even though it's after the [TS]

00:26:10   holidays there's going to be times [TS]

00:26:11   throughout the year where you should get [TS]

00:26:12   a gift for somebody in your family or a [TS]

00:26:14   friend and give them a wonderful [TS]

00:26:15   fracture print of something that'll be [TS]

00:26:17   meaningful to them and I'm telling you [TS]

00:26:19   it'll go over well they have a sleek [TS]

00:26:21   frameless design the prints go edge to [TS]

00:26:23   edge and these thin pieces of glass they [TS]

00:26:25   come with everything you need right in [TS]

00:26:27   the box to hang it on your wall they are [TS]

00:26:29   actually surprisingly lightweight [TS]

00:26:30   because it's a very thin piece of glass [TS]

00:26:33   and the and what holds [TS]

00:26:35   up is like a very thin piece of almost [TS]

00:26:36   like a like a foam core kind of board [TS]

00:26:38   behind it so you don't have the the [TS]

00:26:40   weight of like having it be all like [TS]

00:26:42   solid like 2h that class so you know you [TS]

00:26:44   don't to worry about it like fogging [TS]

00:26:45   left your wall breaking etc they're [TS]

00:26:47   wonderful trust me if you want photos [TS]

00:26:49   printed and you know what you should [TS]

00:26:50   sometimes because you don't want your [TS]

00:26:52   photos to just live in your Instagram [TS]

00:26:53   feed for like two seconds and then you [TS]

00:26:55   never see them again get things printed [TS]

00:26:57   that means something to you and the best [TS]

00:26:58   way to do that is fracture so go to [TS]

00:27:01   fracture dot me and get 15% off your [TS]

00:27:03   first order with code 80 P 17 if they [TS]

00:27:06   ask you where you can't worry that where [TS]

00:27:07   you heard about them from where you came [TS]

00:27:08   from make sure to tell them ATP it helps [TS]

00:27:11   support the show tells them where their [TS]

00:27:12   ads are working so once again fracture [TS]

00:27:14   dot me code ATP 17 to get 15% off your [TS]

00:27:17   first order of those wonderful beautiful [TS]

00:27:19   glass photo prints and when they ask [TS]

00:27:21   where you came from please say ATP [TS]

00:27:23   thanks so much to fracture for [TS]

00:27:24   sponsoring our show I do have a very [TS]

00:27:30   quick very quick review of my iMac pro [TS]

00:27:33   after finally having a week of like real [TS]

00:27:35   use in this week I have done lots of [TS]

00:27:38   podcast editing I have done Xcode work [TS]

00:27:40   programming work with with iOS apps with [TS]

00:27:43   my one iOS app and I have also done a [TS]

00:27:45   lot of video transcoding I ripped a [TS]

00:27:47   couple of blu-rays and did some video [TS]

00:27:50   transcoding work including some pretty [TS]

00:27:52   heavy ones like trying to do h.265 and [TS]

00:27:54   everything else I have yet to hear the [TS]

00:27:57   fan spin up like I have thrown [TS]

00:28:00   everything I can at this CPU granted I [TS]

00:28:02   have almost done almost nothing to the [TS]

00:28:04   GPU because that's you know my workload [TS]

00:28:05   is typically very CPU heavy and pretty [TS]

00:28:07   light on the GPU oh I also imported I [TS]

00:28:10   think 400 pictures from the sony a7r 3 [TS]

00:28:15   which we got to and did Brent had [TS]

00:28:18   Lightroom render one-to-one previews on [TS]

00:28:20   import which I usually do for various [TS]

00:28:22   reasons so I threw everything I could at [TS]

00:28:25   the cpu I've seen all the cores either [TS]

00:28:27   be maxed out or be almost maxed out for [TS]

00:28:29   sustained periods I cannot get the fan [TS]

00:28:32   to spin up into it to a level that it's [TS]

00:28:34   audible did you play games no of course [TS]

00:28:36   not I don't play games [TS]

00:28:37   but it was play some games why we know [TS]

00:28:41   that we have intend to switch it's the [TS]

00:28:42   best it's the best game platform ever [TS]

00:28:43   why would I play the game to my computer [TS]

00:28:45   because it you want to stress this the [TS]

00:28:47   CPU and the GP [TS]

00:28:48   at the same time double the heat no but [TS]

00:28:50   I don't care dude you play game on your [TS]

00:28:52   fax machine like no just this is for [TS]

00:28:53   science not for you it's for science [TS]

00:28:55   anyway so all this is to say that so far [TS]

00:28:59   in my in my week of using this computer [TS]

00:29:02   pretty heavily I'm just incredibly happy [TS]

00:29:07   with it it is so good it is so fast it [TS]

00:29:10   is so quiet it is it and it's just it [TS]

00:29:16   just has no limits for me like not [TS]

00:29:17   everything is perfectly fast and stable [TS]

00:29:19   but that's that's down to software not [TS]

00:29:21   hardware like it is just so damn good [TS]

00:29:25   I'm incredibly happy with the iMac Pro [TS]

00:29:27   and I would say it is [TS]

00:29:30   I wouldn't say extremely likely that I [TS]

00:29:33   wouldn't ever need another Mac Pro again [TS]

00:29:35   but ok but it is everyone marked this [TS]

00:29:39   down I'm just saying it is somewhat [TS]

00:29:42   likely that I might not need the Mac Pro [TS]

00:29:45   mmm well I don't need the Mac Pro but I [TS]

00:29:47   might not want a knife or after that's [TS]

00:29:49   like this is so so damn good that even [TS]

00:29:53   though I mean I think you know John's [TS]

00:29:54   assertion last episode was correct that [TS]

00:29:56   there's pretty much no chance if I don't [TS]

00:29:57   at least buy the Mac Pro so so I am I am [TS]

00:30:01   probably gonna buy it but man this is [TS]

00:30:04   good and anybody who thinks oh maybe [TS]

00:30:08   this won't be as good as the Mac Pro I [TS]

00:30:10   should wait honestly I don't think you [TS]

00:30:12   need to wait this is the new Mac Pro for [TS]

00:30:15   all intents and purposes and it's so [TS]

00:30:18   good that if you have a need for this [TS]

00:30:21   kind of computer right now just get this [TS]

00:30:24   it's amazing I'm glad you like it I [TS]

00:30:27   really am I think it's hilarious that [TS]

00:30:28   you think you would even for a fleeting [TS]

00:30:31   moment say no to a Mac Pro I mean this [TS]

00:30:33   is like when I was talking about the [TS]

00:30:34   Apple watch that I didn't want like [TS]

00:30:37   three or four things in a row that I [TS]

00:30:38   told everyone I didn't want and then [TS]

00:30:39   ended up immediately reneging on the X [TS]

00:30:42   yeah exactly I don't think I want a I [TS]

00:30:45   don't think I want a home pod so let's [TS]

00:30:46   just put that on record right now I [TS]

00:30:48   don't think I do either you have no [TS]

00:30:50   problem sticking to that one I've never [TS]

00:30:51   ship it a good point but I think it's [TS]

00:30:55   pretty obvious that both of us will end [TS]

00:30:56   up with a home pod so to address me [TS]

00:30:58   mania in the chat can you functionally [TS]

00:31:00   tell this is a much better computer than [TS]

00:31:01   the reg [TS]

00:31:02   I'm AK without benchmarking or stress [TS]

00:31:04   testing that's a very good question you [TS]

00:31:06   can tell that just whenever you do [TS]

00:31:08   anything multi-threaded it is notice [TS]

00:31:10   it'll be faster obviously because I'm [TS]

00:31:11   going from four cores to ten so like [TS]

00:31:13   you're gonna see that difference like [TS]

00:31:15   that that's a big difference it also you [TS]

00:31:17   know besides like you know the cosmetic [TS]

00:31:18   stuff like the space grain everything it [TS]

00:31:20   also just being able to operate no [TS]

00:31:23   matter what you throw at it in silence [TS]

00:31:25   is a pretty big difference from the 5k [TS]

00:31:28   iMac the 5k iMac for all like as I [TS]

00:31:31   mentioned last episode I you know [TS]

00:31:32   haven't used the computer for three [TS]

00:31:33   years it's a great computer and for a [TS]

00:31:35   lot of people that is plenty that's fine [TS]

00:31:38   but the one thing that always got me [TS]

00:31:40   about it that was not true of Mac Pros [TS]

00:31:42   is that it what you would hear the fan [TS]

00:31:44   spin up up and down up and down as you [TS]

00:31:46   if you if you were pushing the CPU [TS]

00:31:48   really hard for things you'd hear the [TS]

00:31:49   fan come up and down with it [TS]

00:31:51   where is with this that doesn't happen [TS]

00:31:52   so that is a pretty big difference if [TS]

00:31:55   you're if you're doing things that [TS]

00:31:57   really stress it and if you care about [TS]

00:31:59   fan noise if one of those things is not [TS]

00:32:02   true for you then you're fine with the [TS]

00:32:04   with the regular Mac and but it's you [TS]

00:32:07   were definitely getting something for [TS]

00:32:08   the additional money here in addition to [TS]

00:32:10   the performance increases in the [TS]

00:32:12   different architecture and you know the [TS]

00:32:13   ECC and stuff like that I would say the [TS]

00:32:17   the the ability to run in that silence [TS]

00:32:20   could easily come to the iMac to the [TS]

00:32:24   regular iMac if they redesigned it [TS]

00:32:25   thermally to be more like this but they [TS]

00:32:28   can't do that as far as I can tell until [TS]

00:32:31   they remove all ability to put a three [TS]

00:32:33   and a half inch hard drive in there [TS]

00:32:34   because if you look at how the internals [TS]

00:32:37   of these things are laid out the reason [TS]

00:32:39   the iMac Pro is able to cool itself to [TS]

00:32:41   not only to cool itself with just such a [TS]

00:32:43   high thermal load with always all these [TS]

00:32:44   high-end components in it but I think [TS]

00:32:46   one of the reasons they're able to do it [TS]

00:32:47   so quietly is because they have a giant [TS]

00:32:49   heatsink and fan assembly located right [TS]

00:32:52   in the middle of the back the thickest [TS]

00:32:53   part of the enclosure and that is right [TS]

00:32:55   where the three and a half inch hard [TS]

00:32:57   drive goes in a regular iMac so if they [TS]

00:33:00   continue to ship IMAX with hard drive [TS]

00:33:03   options available look honestly I think [TS]

00:33:06   the time for that is just about done you [TS]

00:33:08   know probably the next major generation [TS]

00:33:10   of iMac I assume they're probably going [TS]

00:33:13   to drop the hard drive [TS]

00:33:15   and if they do then they can adopt this [TS]

00:33:18   kind of thermal design and then they can [TS]

00:33:20   run it in silence to the other place [TS]

00:33:23   people might notice the speed difference [TS]

00:33:24   on that I mic Pro which is unfortunately [TS]

00:33:26   undercut by an even more dramatic speed [TS]

00:33:28   differences if you do if if you're [TS]

00:33:30   coming from a computer like a like a [TS]

00:33:32   iMac 5k or even older that has a [TS]

00:33:34   spinning Drive even if it's in a fusion [TS]

00:33:36   drive configuration and you do lots of [TS]

00:33:39   reading and writing very large files and [TS]

00:33:42   I was gonna say oh you really noticed [TS]

00:33:43   that when you duplicate a three gig file [TS]

00:33:45   but unfortunately a PFS makes [TS]

00:33:47   duplicating a three a file in same [TS]

00:33:48   volume instantaneous so it kind of kills [TS]

00:33:50   your ability to see that benchmark or [TS]

00:33:52   I'm getting out is that the SSDs in the [TS]

00:33:53   iMac Pro are very very fast especially [TS]

00:33:56   for large bulk transfers of huge files [TS]

00:33:59   it could be that it ends up being you [TS]

00:34:02   know if you've not cooked up the 10 gig [TS]

00:34:04   Ethernet your three gigs per second of [TS]

00:34:06   disk i/o you're never you're never gonna [TS]

00:34:09   see that you're never gonna see it on [TS]

00:34:11   the same volume because the a BFS will [TS]

00:34:12   instantly copy it and you're never gonna [TS]

00:34:14   see it across the wire because you're [TS]

00:34:15   limited by the speed of Ethernet but [TS]

00:34:17   rest assured that the disk is much [TS]

00:34:19   faster so if you do things that have do [TS]

00:34:21   a lot of i/o it's hey just reading a [TS]

00:34:22   very large file into RAM or saving out a [TS]

00:34:24   large file you may notice those progress [TS]

00:34:27   bar speed up and that's not a [TS]

00:34:28   multi-threaded thing it's just like you [TS]

00:34:30   know if you ever used it staring in a [TS]

00:34:31   progress bar when disk i/o is going on [TS]

00:34:33   that progress bar should go faster on [TS]

00:34:36   the iMac Pro than it does on other [TS]

00:34:38   computers but yeah if you're if you're [TS]

00:34:41   just running single threaded [TS]

00:34:42   applications the iMac pro is actually [TS]

00:34:43   slower than the 5k I'm the top-end 5k [TS]

00:34:46   iMac for some single-threaded tests [TS]

00:34:48   depending on how many cores you get it [TS]

00:34:49   but it's all it's all about the [TS]

00:34:51   multi-core and I suppose if you're doing [TS]

00:34:52   anything having to do the GPU the GPU in [TS]

00:34:54   the iMac Pro even though marker never [TS]

00:34:55   uses it to do anything except for show [TS]

00:34:57   windows on his screen is way way faster [TS]

00:34:59   than the 5k I'm max I think Lightroom [TS]

00:35:01   uses it well plus I've heard reports [TS]

00:35:04   from marco from underscore and from [TS]

00:35:08   Jason Snelling out how much faster [TS]

00:35:09   ffmpeg is and in transcoding video is on [TS]

00:35:12   their fancy-pants iMac pros and pretty [TS]

00:35:14   much everyone is has independently [TS]

00:35:16   concluded that it's about twice as fast [TS]

00:35:18   as their prior 5k IMAX now I think [TS]

00:35:21   everyone had older 5k iMac Siddhant I [TS]

00:35:23   have but nevertheless it's basically a [TS]

00:35:26   2x improvement and that makes me sad [TS]

00:35:29   because [TS]

00:35:29   although I don't transcode stuff as much [TS]

00:35:32   as I probably paint it I do it often [TS]

00:35:34   enough that I wish I had more speed with [TS]

00:35:37   which to do it but do I want do you [TS]

00:35:39   spend 5000 plus dollars to transcode [TS]

00:35:42   videos quicker no no I don't speaking of [TS]

00:35:45   spending a shitload of money Marco tell [TS]

00:35:47   me about your camera I love that's my [TS]

00:35:50   name voice comes out of that phrase it [TS]

00:35:52   sure does [TS]

00:35:53   so sometime last year I described that I [TS]

00:35:58   had sold my my formerly beloved Sony a7r [TS]

00:36:01   to just even hack it incidentally [TS]

00:36:04   because I was not happy with its speed [TS]

00:36:08   and battery life were the two big issues [TS]

00:36:11   with it and I had gone back to Canon [TS]

00:36:13   SLRs back from from whence I came and [TS]

00:36:16   and I was very happy with the handling [TS]

00:36:19   and everything of Canon SLRs I was never [TS]

00:36:22   as happy with the pictures I would get [TS]

00:36:25   out of the Canon SLRs because the Sony [TS]

00:36:28   had not only a pretty big megapixel [TS]

00:36:31   advantage and the camera talking about [TS]

00:36:33   on account side is the 5d Mark 4 which [TS]

00:36:36   is an amazing camera and so but the main [TS]

00:36:40   problem was that it doesn't it didn't [TS]

00:36:41   have the megapixels it did have the [TS]

00:36:43   anti-aliasing filter over the sensor so [TS]

00:36:47   it was you couldn't quite get the the [TS]

00:36:50   level of sharpness out of out of the [TS]

00:36:52   Canon and it didn't have as advanced of [TS]

00:36:56   an autofocus system and so my my hit [TS]

00:37:00   rate was not as good it also didn't have [TS]

00:37:03   him body stabilisation so like it also [TS]

00:37:05   just kind of further lowered the hit [TS]

00:37:06   rate and it couldn't quite achieve the [TS]

00:37:08   high ISO numbers or dynamic range and [TS]

00:37:12   shadows that the Sony could it was very [TS]

00:37:14   close but but it was you know it was a [TS]

00:37:17   noticeable downgrade in those areas but [TS]

00:37:19   I was happy with the Canon because it [TS]

00:37:22   was just so much more pleasurable to use [TS]

00:37:24   because everything was so much faster [TS]

00:37:25   and it handled so much better and [TS]

00:37:27   everything and and I would still stand [TS]

00:37:29   by the fact that if you are shooting [TS]

00:37:31   events like if you're some kind of pro [TS]

00:37:34   role I think the Canon line is still [TS]

00:37:37   what you want and maybe Nikon - I'm [TS]

00:37:39   sorry Nikon fans I don't know anything [TS]

00:37:41   about a Nikon really I rented d750 [TS]

00:37:43   and it was great but when it came time [TS]

00:37:46   to buy I i wasn't that convinced by the [TS]

00:37:47   lens line-up for what I actually would [TS]

00:37:49   want in my lenses and so I didn't I [TS]

00:37:52   didn't go an icon at any of these points [TS]

00:37:53   but anyway the the main problem I had [TS]

00:37:58   with the Canon again was just that I [TS]

00:38:00   wasn't getting my favorite images out of [TS]

00:38:03   it like I as I was looking back like [TS]

00:38:05   most of my most of my favorite images [TS]

00:38:06   were shot by the Sony and the Canon [TS]

00:38:09   Canon was so much more pleasurable to [TS]

00:38:11   use and way faster and the battery life [TS]

00:38:13   was way better but I I just was not [TS]

00:38:16   getting images that blew me away out of [TS]

00:38:18   it [TS]

00:38:19   it really is made for pro use and that's [TS]

00:38:22   where it really does excel but that's [TS]

00:38:24   not what I needed I really just wanted a [TS]

00:38:26   camera that gave me shockingly good [TS]

00:38:28   images that just made me feel something [TS]

00:38:31   good they were and the Canon just didn't [TS]

00:38:34   do that late last late in 2017 it's like [TS]

00:38:38   you know a couple months ago Sony [TS]

00:38:40   announced the a7 r3 and it doesn't [TS]

00:38:43   actually change that much from the a7 r2 [TS]

00:38:45   but two of the big things that changes [TS]

00:38:47   are battery life and performance the two [TS]

00:38:50   big problems I have in video yeah it's [TS]

00:38:54   the same sensor a couple of minor [TS]

00:38:55   improvements here and there but for the [TS]

00:38:57   most part it's it's fairly similar but a [TS]

00:39:00   battery that's like two and a half times [TS]

00:39:02   the size and the and and a significantly [TS]

00:39:06   upgraded image processor and interface [TS]

00:39:09   and everything else so it's just a lot [TS]

00:39:10   snappier I decided since Christmas the [TS]

00:39:14   Christmas season is by far my heaviest [TS]

00:39:17   photography time I decided right before [TS]

00:39:19   Christmas you know what let me try it [TS]

00:39:21   because one thing I did when I left the [TS]

00:39:23   Sony ecosystem I kept my two favorite [TS]

00:39:26   lenses the 35 2.8 and the 55 1.8 primes [TS]

00:39:30   I kept both of those thinking you know [TS]

00:39:32   if I ever go back I'll have these lenses [TS]

00:39:35   I want to rebuy them if I don't go back [TS]

00:39:37   after a couple years I'll sell them [TS]

00:39:38   they'll still have a lot of value and [TS]

00:39:40   it's not going to matter whether I sell [TS]

00:39:41   them now or in a year or two so I still [TS]

00:39:43   had the lens so all I did was buy the [TS]

00:39:45   body and I figure you know what let me [TS]

00:39:46   try it if it's terrible I can return it [TS]

00:39:49   or sell it or something and so I shot [TS]

00:39:52   all through Christmas with it and it is [TS]

00:39:55   fantastic it is [TS]

00:39:57   so so good it is still not to the levels [TS]

00:40:00   of performance and battery life that the [TS]

00:40:02   Canon offers that that most SLRs can [TS]

00:40:04   offer but it's now close enough it's now [TS]

00:40:08   like those things are not huge [TS]

00:40:10   hindrances that annoy me while using it [TS]

00:40:13   they're just now very minor you know [TS]

00:40:16   limitations but it's a it's a massive [TS]

00:40:19   difference in those two areas and I have [TS]

00:40:22   taken shots that I just love from this [TS]

00:40:24   camera or like it is just so good and [TS]

00:40:28   because of the features it offers and [TS]

00:40:31   some other performance areas it offers [TS]

00:40:33   especially in regards to auto focus [TS]

00:40:36   features auto focus performance and [TS]

00:40:37   low-light performance and embody [TS]

00:40:39   stabilization it is just an incredibly [TS]

00:40:43   high keeper rate of what I shoot [TS]

00:40:45   compared to you know my regular SLR use [TS]

00:40:48   so I'm now back in the Sony world I [TS]

00:40:51   guess and it's really really a very good [TS]

00:40:55   camera and it is not cheap none of this [TS]

00:40:58   stuff is cheap I mean it's the camera is [TS]

00:41:00   like three thousand dollars and the [TS]

00:41:02   lenses I just mentioned I think are [TS]

00:41:03   seven or eight hundred dollars each [TS]

00:41:06   this is not a cheap thing to do but no [TS]

00:41:09   camera that offers this level of [TS]

00:41:11   performance is cheap you know the Canon [TS]

00:41:14   s laws aren't cheap either [TS]

00:41:15   so you know within the realm of what you [TS]

00:41:17   get I think it is well priced and it is [TS]

00:41:20   really really good and I'm very glad I [TS]

00:41:23   have it so what does TIFF think of it [TS]

00:41:25   because she was even when you had the [TS]

00:41:26   the art - she was the SLR the Canon SLR [TS]

00:41:30   die hard who didn't want to come over to [TS]

00:41:32   the Sony side of the fence with a [TS]

00:41:33   mirrorless side of the fence even yeah [TS]

00:41:35   she very much prefers the canons but she [TS]

00:41:39   said over Christmas that she was glad [TS]

00:41:40   that I got this because it is the the [TS]

00:41:45   Sony has pretty big advantages when [TS]

00:41:47   you're shooting indoors in low-light [TS]

00:41:49   which a lot of our Christmas shooting is [TS]

00:41:51   exactly that [TS]

00:41:52   and so and and it's also just you know [TS]

00:41:55   small and unobtrusive and easy to handle [TS]

00:41:58   and easy to like have around like in the [TS]

00:42:00   living room while we're opening gifts [TS]

00:42:01   and stuff like that so it's like it was [TS]

00:42:04   a very very good camera for our needs [TS]

00:42:06   for Christmas and so even though it is [TS]

00:42:09   not her favorite camera the rest of the [TS]

00:42:10   year she was [TS]

00:42:10   very happy I have it and and you know [TS]

00:42:14   it's gonna continue to be my camera [TS]

00:42:16   basically and the canons will resume [TS]

00:42:18   being her cameras the way that used to [TS]

00:42:20   be but yeah she's got year-round to use [TS]

00:42:23   the camera if he doesn't like yeah [TS]

00:42:25   pretty much I mean and and she's not as [TS]

00:42:27   good on you though and she's that that I [TS]

00:42:29   that I don't no longer need to use hers [TS]

00:42:31   don't laugh of that you didn't get that [TS]

00:42:32   reference I didn't know I was laughing [TS]

00:42:34   at your voice really trust me that was a [TS]

00:42:38   dead-on imitation of the thing I was [TS]

00:42:39   referencing good congratulations [TS]

00:42:41   I give you one point as far as you know [TS]

00:42:44   is dead-on [TS]

00:42:45   yeah God have mercy on your soul [TS]

00:42:47   actually that was no points that's right [TS]

00:42:50   yep anyway alright so you like your [TS]

00:42:53   camera that's good so what are the one [TS]

00:42:55   of the complaints about other than cost [TS]

00:42:56   like so are you are you a hundred [TS]

00:42:59   percent happy now or outside of the fact [TS]

00:43:01   that you're broke or are you just ninety [TS]

00:43:03   percent happy I'm pretty happy I mean [TS]

00:43:06   the battery life is now good enough like [TS]

00:43:09   it's it's the point where you can I was [TS]

00:43:11   able to shoot with it like all day and [TS]

00:43:13   not have to not have to swap batteries [TS]

00:43:14   and and that's that's way different than [TS]

00:43:17   the a7r to you know like I left the a7r [TS]

00:43:21   to when it when it came out it came with [TS]

00:43:24   two batteries in the box that's how bad [TS]

00:43:27   the battery life is on the ASMR true [TS]

00:43:28   that they ship it with two batteries [TS]

00:43:29   like I've never seen any electronic of [TS]

00:43:33   any kind that came with two of its own [TS]

00:43:34   batteries because the battery life was [TS]

00:43:36   so bad they knew you would need both [TS]

00:43:38   like I've literally never seen that [TS]

00:43:40   before or since but you know this would [TS]

00:43:43   only comes with one for a reason like [TS]

00:43:44   you really don't like one is fine I have [TS]

00:43:46   a second one just cuz I was afraid so I [TS]

00:43:48   buy the second one I'm like I did swap [TS]

00:43:50   it a couple times like during downtime [TS]

00:43:52   on Christmas Day like when we had like [TS]

00:43:54   you know you know no need to shoot for [TS]

00:43:56   like 20 minutes I would swap anyway but [TS]

00:43:58   I didn't need to and it's I swapped [TS]

00:44:00   twice and I like compared like the you [TS]

00:44:02   know that the percentage is like oh I [TS]

00:44:04   didn't need I didn't even need to swap [TS]

00:44:05   at all this is this is great so battery [TS]

00:44:07   life huge thumbs up the performance of [TS]

00:44:10   things like you know reviewing images [TS]

00:44:12   quickly to make sure like you got the [TS]

00:44:13   focus right and everything it is way [TS]

00:44:17   faster than it was it also has a pretty [TS]

00:44:19   good feature we're in a seventh this is [TS]

00:44:21   this is really nitpicky and no one who [TS]

00:44:23   doesn't own this believe [TS]

00:44:24   care but quickly this is a pretty big [TS]

00:44:27   upgrade the a7 r2 if you would try to do [TS]

00:44:30   something while it was writing to the [TS]

00:44:32   card it would say operation not [TS]

00:44:33   available for a lot of things that you [TS]

00:44:35   try to do this wooden doesn't do that [TS]

00:44:37   anymore that's a huge so like that's [TS]

00:44:39   like a big waiting point from a seven or [TS]

00:44:40   two that is gone in a seven are three so [TS]

00:44:43   anyway stuff like that if there's [TS]

00:44:45   there's a number of big and small [TS]

00:44:47   improvements that remove tons of [TS]

00:44:50   friction and annoyances from this camera [TS]

00:44:51   that that wood that were there in the a7 [TS]

00:44:53   r2 and these are seven or two is an [TS]

00:44:55   awesome camera already like so to be [TS]

00:44:58   able to improve on its so substantially [TS]

00:45:00   in only I think two years from the [TS]

00:45:02   original release like that's pretty good [TS]

00:45:04   so very very happy at the moment I [TS]

00:45:07   really have no major complaints about it [TS]

00:45:09   good [TS]

00:45:10   did they change the interface the the [TS]

00:45:12   horrible as far as I'm concerned [TS]

00:45:14   like menu system interface the Sony [TS]

00:45:16   thing oh yeah it changed it from one [TS]

00:45:19   disaster to another so it's a it's a [TS]

00:45:20   lateral move it's it's different I don't [TS]

00:45:23   think it's better but it is different so [TS]

00:45:26   I had to learn where to find things all [TS]

00:45:27   over again was that under the suitcase [TS]

00:45:28   on screen 7 yeah it looks like they [TS]

00:45:32   added that a little joystick to the back [TS]

00:45:34   of it too for like focus moving and [TS]

00:45:36   stuff yes I don't really use that very [TS]

00:45:37   often but it is nice when you need it [TS]

00:45:39   I've ever replaced the weird Sony af/mf [TS]

00:45:43   switch with a switch with a button in [TS]

00:45:46   the middle of it that's gone oh yeah the [TS]

00:45:48   weird yeah the DMF thing that's now [TS]

00:45:50   that's in the menu somewhere I don't [TS]

00:45:51   know it's I usually keep it in [TS]

00:45:53   continuous focus and I used that middle [TS]

00:45:55   button for I odo focus you ever use iota [TS]

00:45:56   focus is that on this I always use I [TS]

00:45:58   autofocus that's one of the things that [TS]

00:46:00   makes the focus engine so awesome on [TS]

00:46:02   this do what button do you have that [TS]

00:46:04   assigned to I just have it on all the [TS]

00:46:06   time least on my camera I think it's a [TS]

00:46:09   bunny I've decided to I know they [TS]

00:46:11   upgraded it in some way for this I [TS]

00:46:13   wasn't I never used it on the two so I [TS]

00:46:16   don't know if it's that different in [TS]

00:46:18   that way but yeah the eye priority [TS]

00:46:21   autofocus is great and and I use it [TS]

00:46:23   frequently it's because I'm my camera [TS]

00:46:25   you do it half button-down it will never [TS]

00:46:27   do I autofocus you have to press another [TS]

00:46:28   button that you assigned to be idle [TS]

00:46:29   focus and then the little green square [TS]

00:46:31   zooms right it on their eyeball [TS]

00:46:33   you know it's doing it like you get the [TS]

00:46:34   tiny little green square yeah baby I'm [TS]

00:46:36   not doing it face thing because there's [TS]

00:46:38   face priority autofocus I have that [TS]

00:46:40   always enabled them but there might be a [TS]

00:46:43   different thing [TS]

00:46:43   yeah the focus you'll know you're doing [TS]

00:46:46   it because it makes the the green focus [TS]

00:46:48   rectangle literally the size of the like [TS]

00:46:50   their iris and it just pin pinned onto [TS]

00:46:52   their iris alright I'll play with it [TS]

00:46:54   because I guess you get like the whole [TS]

00:46:54   face as the green rectangle yeah the [TS]

00:46:56   reason I bring it up is because I used [TS]

00:46:58   that middle they used that button in the [TS]

00:46:59   middle of the af/mf switch to be my eye [TS]

00:47:01   autofocus which cuz it's like a thumb [TS]

00:47:03   thing but now with that button gone [TS]

00:47:04   number place but the joystick I'm not [TS]

00:47:05   sure what I'd press although you have [TS]

00:47:06   those programmable buttons like yeah [TS]

00:47:09   there's there's like six different [TS]

00:47:10   buttons you can program to do whatever [TS]

00:47:11   you want so it's there's you definitely [TS]

00:47:13   have options also one thing with the [TS]

00:47:16   battery life being so much better it [TS]

00:47:18   allows me to turn on features that the [TS]

00:47:21   a7 r2 had but that I didn't use because [TS]

00:47:24   it would kill the battery more so one [TS]

00:47:26   example of that is I believe it's called [TS]

00:47:28   pre AF where like that kind of tries to [TS]

00:47:31   keep auto focus in a in a reasonably [TS]

00:47:32   ready state before you actually push the [TS]

00:47:34   button halfway down like just as you're [TS]

00:47:36   looking around in through the viewfinder [TS]

00:47:37   that I can now leave on because the [TS]

00:47:40   battery is not so bad that you have to [TS]

00:47:43   like turn off half the features to [TS]

00:47:45   conserve battery life and that's Prius [TS]

00:47:47   Wow that's fine yeah did you did they [TS]

00:47:55   make the the grip figure on the body to [TS]

00:47:58   like the little part you grab with your [TS]

00:47:59   right hand is it like poke out from the [TS]

00:48:01   camera more I no longer have the two so [TS]

00:48:03   I can't do a side-by-side comparison but [TS]

00:48:05   the whole camera body got slightly [TS]

00:48:08   deeper so maybe oh like the overall grip [TS]

00:48:12   on it might be slightly bigger but it's [TS]

00:48:16   not a it's not a huge difference it's [TS]

00:48:17   right affair where they put the two and [TS]

00:48:18   a half times this big battery like the [TS]

00:48:20   batteries in that grip like the part [TS]

00:48:21   where you hold it so the hole where the [TS]

00:48:23   battery goes has to be bigger so maybe [TS]

00:48:24   the grip is bigger I think that's why [TS]

00:48:26   the whole body is bigger honestly it's [TS]

00:48:27   it's mostly too for the others also now [TS]

00:48:29   a dual card slots the cards have the [TS]

00:48:32   bottom card has UHS - it has like the [TS]

00:48:35   whole extra row terminals so does the [TS]

00:48:36   iMac Pro card reader so that's way [TS]

00:48:38   faster now the camera also has USB 3 and [TS]

00:48:41   it has both a micro USB and a USB C port [TS]

00:48:44   either [TS]

00:48:45   which can be used to power the computer [TS]

00:48:47   to power the camera charge the battery [TS]

00:48:48   and transfer photos that's nice USB CN [TS]

00:48:52   cameras I dream every time you look in [TS]

00:48:54   that terrible microUSB whatever that [TS]

00:48:57   connector is it always feels like it's [TS]

00:48:58   broken and you have to stare out for 10 [TS]

00:48:59   minutes to make sure you before you try [TS]

00:49:02   to jam it in [TS]

00:49:03   yep that's a big that's that's a big [TS]

00:49:04   like quality of life improvement and and [TS]

00:49:07   like just a having the camera be able to [TS]

00:49:09   charge yourself over USB which the two [TS]

00:49:11   could do but canons can't that's I love [TS]

00:49:14   that feature alone cuz that means for [TS]

00:49:16   you know most places you would bring it [TS]

00:49:17   you don't have to bring a separate [TS]

00:49:18   battery charger unless you really need [TS]

00:49:20   like super fast charging wild one [TS]

00:49:22   batteries in use but you know if you now [TS]

00:49:24   hold on I think you're under playing [TS]

00:49:26   this even with your amount of enthusiasm [TS]

00:49:28   my beloved and I love this camera my [TS]

00:49:31   Olympus om-d am has an external battery [TS]

00:49:35   charger that is not terribly small and [TS]

00:49:38   the cable is not terribly conducive to [TS]

00:49:41   being wrapped up cleanly and nicely it [TS]

00:49:43   drives me insane and I would give almost [TS]

00:49:47   anything to be able to charge the [TS]

00:49:49   battery within the camera itself that [TS]

00:49:50   that in and of itself would make me give [TS]

00:49:53   all of my money to Sony or you know [TS]

00:49:55   Olympus or what have you so I could be [TS]

00:49:57   so I could charge the stupid batteries [TS]

00:49:59   in the camera that's tremendous most [TS]

00:50:00   Sony's offer that feature whether we [TS]

00:50:02   including John's I believe right yeah [TS]

00:50:03   but before you say that though you [TS]

00:50:05   should consider what like I don't know [TS]

00:50:08   who came up with this design it really [TS]

00:50:10   wasn't Sony but anyone who has a camera [TS]

00:50:12   fancy or otherwise probably familiar [TS]

00:50:14   with the idea of a panel somewhere on [TS]

00:50:17   your camera probably with like a [TS]

00:50:18   fingernail Ridge on it that they expect [TS]

00:50:20   you to like disengage somehow and then [TS]

00:50:23   it just swings out of the way on this [TS]

00:50:25   flimsy single pivot and hopefully [TS]

00:50:28   doesn't crack off like the doors you [TS]

00:50:30   have to move to get and the USB things [TS]

00:50:32   are like the worst design flimsiest most [TS]

00:50:35   terrifying they're going to snap off of [TS]

00:50:36   my $3,000 camera in two seconds if I'm [TS]

00:50:38   not careful doors and it doesn't have to [TS]

00:50:40   be that way like it's possible to make a [TS]

00:50:43   sturdy door covering a bunch of ports [TS]

00:50:46   but cameras don't they they do like [TS]

00:50:48   literally the I was like by how little [TS]

00:50:51   material can we attach this flimsy [TS]

00:50:52   plastic door to our camera can we do it [TS]

00:50:54   by like us like a human hair then do [TS]

00:50:57   that and [TS]

00:50:58   and and then you can't quite sewing them [TS]

00:51:00   totally out of the way I'll tell you [TS]

00:51:02   what though I've never had one break [TS]

00:51:04   I know because everyone is super careful [TS]

00:51:06   with them you treats them with kid [TS]

00:51:07   gloves like oh this looks delicate so [TS]

00:51:09   you're super careful with it the one on [TS]

00:51:11   my camera is actually not that bad it [TS]

00:51:12   actually slides like back and then out [TS]

00:51:14   and it's almost like a double hinged [TS]

00:51:16   thing but I see the picture of the a7r [TS]

00:51:18   three it's good three giant flimsy [TS]

00:51:20   they're all doors all connected at one [TS]

00:51:21   point all which partially block the [TS]

00:51:24   ports unless you like twist them like [TS]

00:51:25   720 degrees around like rotate them out [TS]

00:51:28   of the way until you find the position [TS]

00:51:29   where they're not blocking in the ports [TS]

00:51:30   I really wish they would fix that [TS]

00:51:32   remember I'm not asking for waterproof [TS]

00:51:34   cameras here I'm just saying like make [TS]

00:51:35   the doors a little bit more a little bit [TS]

00:51:37   more sturdy to match the rest of the [TS]

00:51:39   camera looks pretty rugged like but [TS]

00:51:40   those those doors no good Wow well I [TS]

00:51:44   wish you didn't like this camera as much [TS]

00:51:45   as you do markers I was hoping you'd be [TS]

00:51:47   like oh no it's still no good I go back [TS]

00:51:49   to my Canon because now I want this [TS]

00:51:50   camera it cost too much money I mean [TS]

00:51:53   that would be funnier on the show if I [TS]

00:51:54   did that but unfortunately I don't I [TS]

00:51:56   don't see it happening I'm I'm just so [TS]

00:51:59   much happier with like as I said like [TS]

00:52:01   the a7 r2 was such a great camera but [TS]

00:52:03   just was let down by a few of its you [TS]

00:52:05   know lacking technologies or choices and [TS]

00:52:08   this one fixes them all so it's it's [TS]

00:52:11   really good [TS]

00:52:12   you were pessimistic about it too by the [TS]

00:52:14   way when the camera came out like oh no [TS]

00:52:16   one had gotten to test it yeah you were [TS]

00:52:17   like oh no it's probably not gonna be [TS]

00:52:18   that great maybe the battery life's [TS]

00:52:20   better but whatever but I won't because [TS]

00:52:21   we had and we had an ASCII TP question [TS]

00:52:24   like three four months ago when it came [TS]

00:52:26   out from somebody saying am I gonna get [TS]

00:52:27   it and and it's yeah at the time I said [TS]

00:52:29   like I'll see what the reviews say but I [TS]

00:52:31   don't think it would be a better enough [TS]

00:52:33   battery or better enough performance to [TS]

00:52:36   make it worth it and then all the all [TS]

00:52:38   the early reviews were so glowing and [TS]

00:52:40   positive especially on those two fronts [TS]

00:52:42   that and actually what made me get it [TS]

00:52:45   was one of the reviews that said the [TS]

00:52:47   little nitpicky thing I said earlier [TS]

00:52:48   where like you can keep navigating menus [TS]

00:52:51   while it's writing to the card as soon [TS]

00:52:53   as I read that I'm like oh my god [TS]

00:52:54   huge difference buying it have you tried [TS]

00:52:58   the insane frame rate for the burst [TS]

00:53:02   photos anything no I don't I don't [TS]

00:53:05   usually do high-speed burst I think you [TS]

00:53:07   can go up to like 10 frames a second [TS]

00:53:08   something like that it goes way higher [TS]

00:53:10   than you [TS]

00:53:10   really want it too like the iPhone goes [TS]

00:53:12   pretty insanely high too but like you [TS]

00:53:14   know I'd do lots of burst photos so do [TS]

00:53:16   action photos like you know at the ocean [TS]

00:53:18   during occasion I don't think I've ever [TS]

00:53:20   gone above the mid setting which is like [TS]

00:53:23   half of the rate that my camera is able [TS]

00:53:25   to do and I think this one is able to [TS]

00:53:27   it's you practically take like slow-mo [TS]

00:53:29   movies with the number of frames for a [TS]

00:53:31   second it's it's pretty ridiculous [TS]

00:53:33   yeah I don't like the iPhone you don't [TS]

00:53:34   have like keep only one frame from the [TS]

00:53:36   burst you have to sort through all nine [TS]

00:53:38   hundred photos you just took by holding [TS]

00:53:39   down the shutter button for three [TS]

00:53:41   seconds and every one of them's like a [TS]

00:53:42   45 megabyte Raphael that takes Lightroom [TS]

00:53:45   like 10 seconds to burst burst photos [TS]

00:53:48   especially at the highest speed or it's [TS]

00:53:51   like a like a stress test for your [TS]

00:53:54   ability to do pics from your own photos [TS]

00:53:57   right because you have to go through [TS]

00:53:59   like a hundred pictures all of which are [TS]

00:54:01   nearly identical to each other and [TS]

00:54:03   decide to want this one and that one [TS]

00:54:04   this one or that one there's no like [TS]

00:54:06   they're practically identical the two [TS]

00:54:08   pixels different which one do I delete [TS]

00:54:10   it's lots of fun [TS]

00:54:11   yeah I have rarely found bursts [TS]

00:54:13   worthwhile I used to like back when I [TS]

00:54:15   was like when I was in like earlier in [TS]

00:54:17   my photography hobby like you know 5 10 [TS]

00:54:19   years ago I would I would I kept it in [TS]

00:54:21   continuous shooting mode and would [TS]

00:54:23   frequently shoot like a 3 or 4 picture [TS]

00:54:25   burst or whatever I was getting and that [TS]

00:54:27   would be over about a second [TS]

00:54:29   but over time why I first of all I just [TS]

00:54:32   kind of got better at timing it and so I [TS]

00:54:34   didn't need the bursts as much but also [TS]

00:54:36   I realized like I was never it was never [TS]

00:54:38   worth the time or the storage overhead [TS]

00:54:41   or the processing overhead you know I [TS]

00:54:43   wasn't getting enough out of it so I [TS]

00:54:45   just switched to single shot most of the [TS]

00:54:47   time and it's totally fine well for [TS]

00:54:50   sports you still need a burst like [TS]

00:54:51   that's what I'm using people are in [TS]

00:54:53   motion playing a sport or running or you [TS]

00:54:55   know jumping in the ocean waves bursts [TS]

00:54:57   is the way to go because this is just no [TS]

00:54:58   other way to get the shot that you want [TS]

00:54:59   but get burst is that knowing is [TS]

00:55:01   anything for situations where people are [TS]

00:55:03   not performing a sport because if you [TS]

00:55:06   end up like with three pictures of [TS]

00:55:07   everybody yeah yeah burst makes a lot of [TS]

00:55:09   sense for like for like pros or people [TS]

00:55:11   shooting soccer or pros shooting soccer [TS]

00:55:13   but yeah my family is not that high [TS]

00:55:16   motion I would recommend it even if you [TS]

00:55:19   know people like playing badminton in [TS]

00:55:21   the backyard of the family gathering try [TS]

00:55:23   it burst for those things [TS]

00:55:24   for people doing sports if they're [TS]

00:55:25   performing a motion like they're you [TS]

00:55:27   know swatting it the little birdy thing [TS]

00:55:29   or they're hitting a volleyball or [TS]

00:55:30   blocking a jump shot even just the burst [TS]

00:55:33   of three or four you know usually all of [TS]

00:55:37   them are crap but every once in a while [TS]

00:55:38   one of them is good and you realize if I [TS]

00:55:40   had taken a single shot the odds of me [TS]

00:55:41   getting that one or good so when people [TS]

00:55:43   are in motion in very bright sunlight [TS]

00:55:45   obviously you know you use that a that [TS]

00:55:48   sport preset on your Sony camera that [TS]

00:55:50   you know cranks down the the shutter [TS]

00:55:52   speed and turn on burst mode not on the [TS]

00:55:56   high setting because then you'll get [TS]

00:55:57   like every hair moving on their body but [TS]

00:56:00   just on the you know on the mid or low [TS]

00:56:02   setting to get a couple of choices [TS]

00:56:03   that's how I've gotten most of my good [TS]

00:56:04   oh Sh in pictures because you're in [TS]

00:56:07   waist deep in the ocean and waves are [TS]

00:56:09   crashing on people you need a couple you [TS]

00:56:11   need a burst to get anything good out of [TS]

00:56:13   that and you know very often both ends [TS]

00:56:15   of the burst they're garbage so you're [TS]

00:56:16   like boy it's a good thing it's a good [TS]

00:56:18   thing I got that middle part there if I [TS]

00:56:19   had just put the shutter down when I [TS]

00:56:21   thought it was happening you got one [TS]

00:56:22   picture odds of it being good or very [TS]

00:56:23   small nostalgia knowing the chat [TS]

00:56:26   suggests maybe you could binary search [TS]

00:56:27   through the burst all right start in the [TS]

00:56:30   middle is what I want before and after [TS]

00:56:33   there's a problem is the judgment the [TS]

00:56:35   problem is the judgment the judgment [TS]

00:56:36   call like you will get down to sort of [TS]

00:56:39   more or less the portion of the pose [TS]

00:56:41   that you want but then you will have [TS]

00:56:42   five pictures to choose from that if you [TS]

00:56:44   had to put them side by side you'd be [TS]

00:56:45   hard-pressed to say are these the same [TS]

00:56:47   picture or are they different yeah I [TS]

00:56:48   think if you're getting that little [TS]

00:56:50   variation then either your frame rate is [TS]

00:56:52   too high or you don't need to be [TS]

00:56:53   shooting bursts as long as I don't go [TS]

00:56:55   above mid because these things the [TS]

00:56:56   framer I forget what it is it think it's [TS]

00:56:58   like is is it like 40 or 60 I don't know [TS]

00:57:01   it I know a stir then the the aim-9 is [TS]

00:57:04   the sport oriented model that one I [TS]

00:57:06   think can go faster [TS]

00:57:07   I think the a7 r3 is either like 7 or 10 [TS]

00:57:10   frames a second but the a9 I think might [TS]

00:57:12   be 15 or 20 no it's gotta be fast in [TS]

00:57:14   that mine is faster than that is it [TS]

00:57:15   because the giant sensor can't get the [TS]

00:57:17   data onto the card I believe it can't [TS]

00:57:19   get data off the sensor fast enough [TS]

00:57:21   I think that's usually the limitation [TS]

00:57:22   yeah no - fasten like I said a smaller [TS]

00:57:25   sensor and we're not talking about video [TS]

00:57:27   we're talking about like photos yes yeah [TS]

00:57:29   camera just plain old photos yeah ok [TS]

00:57:31   there's a 9 is up to 20 frames a second [TS]

00:57:33   anyway [TS]

00:57:33   10 10 pictures for 1 second goes by [TS]

00:57:35   faster than anything [TS]

00:57:36   it is 10 yeah so a seven are three is [TS]

00:57:38   ten a nine is twenty speaking of video [TS]

00:57:41   have you shot any video with it are you [TS]

00:57:43   still just iPhone only for that [TS]

00:57:44   I'm just iPhone only for that I really I [TS]

00:57:47   don't shoot and I know this is like it's [TS]

00:57:49   weird like high-end cameras like this [TS]

00:57:50   have themselves in a weird market where [TS]

00:57:53   basically around the time of the canon [TS]

00:57:57   5d mark ii which came out in 2008 the [TS]

00:58:00   the SLR market shifted dramatically [TS]

00:58:02   because the mark 2 was the first confer [TS]

00:58:05   swath available SLR that could shoot [TS]

00:58:06   really good video and like so good that [TS]

00:58:10   it was actually better than a lot of pro [TS]

00:58:12   video cameras at the time and that trend [TS]

00:58:15   has continued and while pro video [TS]

00:58:17   cameras now you know have are now better [TS]

00:58:19   in certain ways and certain things a lot [TS]

00:58:22   of video is shot on SLRs and high-end [TS]

00:58:26   mirrorless cameras like a lot of pro [TS]

00:58:27   level video is shot using these cameras [TS]

00:58:30   and so video dictates a lot of their [TS]

00:58:33   feature set because that's the people [TS]

00:58:34   who actually buying these things so it's [TS]

00:58:36   funny like it's hard to find good [TS]

00:58:37   reviews of these cameras if you're not [TS]

00:58:39   into video because so many of their [TS]

00:58:41   reviews focus so heavily on videos so [TS]

00:58:42   that so many the buyers are there's so [TS]

00:58:44   many features or for some of the changes [TS]

00:58:46   are every year [TS]

00:58:47   I really don't shoot video with fancy [TS]

00:58:50   cameras very often and it's not because [TS]

00:58:52   it's not good it looks great when you do [TS]

00:58:54   it it's because I'm not a good enough [TS]

00:58:56   videographer to do it and if i just [TS]

00:58:59   shoot video with my iphone it turns out [TS]

00:59:01   way better because the iphone does a way [TS]

00:59:03   better job at autofocus and also the [TS]

00:59:05   iphone tends to be way better at oh and [TS]

00:59:08   also it has built-in stabilization of [TS]

00:59:09   course but also the iphone is way better [TS]

00:59:11   at audio like whatever it does with its [TS]

00:59:15   built-in mics and the noise cancellation [TS]

00:59:17   that it does between them it is way [TS]

00:59:19   better at its built-in audio than the [TS]

00:59:24   crappy little built-in mics that are on [TS]

00:59:25   SLRs and granted per video people don't [TS]

00:59:28   use the built-in mics released they [TS]

00:59:29   shouldn't so you know there's not much [TS]

00:59:32   of a market demand for the camera makers [TS]

00:59:33   to make their camera built-in mics [TS]

00:59:34   awesome but if you're just a casual [TS]

00:59:36   person shooting with what you have in [TS]

00:59:38   your hand without any external equipment [TS]

00:59:40   the iPhone will shoot way better video [TS]

00:59:43   and way better audio along with it then [TS]

00:59:45   most of these cameras will do you know [TS]

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01:01:56   [Music] [TS]

01:02:00   so programming note baby you know but I [TS]

01:02:04   think we should choose wisely so I want [TS]

01:02:07   as I have arm benders we have different [TS]

01:02:10   goals here your goal is to end the show [TS]

01:02:12   early my goal is to have you have to [TS]

01:02:14   leave the show to have a baby if because [TS]

01:02:17   I think that would be amazing [TS]

01:02:18   we're gonna avoid that we just jump to [TS]

01:02:20   ask ATP immediately and then we'll check [TS]

01:02:22   back in and see how we're doing all [TS]

01:02:24   right [TS]

01:02:24   then you'll just research it all on post [TS]

01:02:26   no we'll just have a longer after-show [TS]

01:02:28   yeah all right okay with that we'll just [TS]

01:02:31   keep going me out for sure until that [TS]

01:02:32   baby comes down yeah so Casey tell us [TS]

01:02:35   more about your Jeep Wrangler ambitions [TS]

01:02:38   well I saw a broken-down Wrangler were [TS]

01:02:41   on a tow truck bad the other day I [TS]

01:02:42   thought of you thanks buddy I saw I saw [TS]

01:02:44   a Wrangler with purple I assume LED [TS]

01:02:48   rings on the headlights during the day [TS]

01:02:51   so I was like during the day but there's [TS]

01:02:52   two purple circles look I think that's I [TS]

01:02:55   think that uh that that's now stock on [TS]

01:02:57   the newer ones not purple of course but [TS]

01:02:59   like the new ones I think do you have [TS]

01:03:00   like angel eyes style I might be wrong [TS]

01:03:02   about that so double check my work on [TS]

01:03:05   that but I think that might be stock now [TS]

01:03:07   that's anyway I love that like the the [TS]

01:03:10   Jeep Wrangler if you just look in like [TS]

01:03:12   not only how they can be configured [TS]

01:03:14   stock but like just look at what people [TS]

01:03:16   do to them after the fact and it's just [TS]

01:03:18   a wonderful tour of bad decisions and [TS]

01:03:22   bad design spectacular the purpose isn't [TS]

01:03:27   to be luxurious and fancy the purpose is [TS]

01:03:29   to break hopefully not itself but [TS]

01:03:32   whatever well unfortunately breaks [TS]

01:03:36   yourself quite often it occurred to me I [TS]

01:03:39   think was earlier today that I don't [TS]

01:03:43   want the Accord because you can't get [TS]

01:03:45   any of the nice fancy bits with it with [TS]

01:03:48   the one I would get I may or may not [TS]

01:03:50   want the Wrangler because it has [TS]

01:03:52   obviously as much as I'm trying to [TS]

01:03:53   defend it a whole world of its own [TS]

01:03:55   problems I don't want to go far because [TS]

01:03:57   I want a sunroof I really friggin love [TS]

01:04:00   Sun roofs you can think I'm weird you [TS]

01:04:03   can think I'm crazy I like a sunroof it [TS]

01:04:05   makes me happy I'm with you on that so [TS]

01:04:07   nerves are awesome right so in the go [TS]

01:04:09   far you can't get with sunroof so what [TS]

01:04:11   do i I'm out of options I either go BMW [TS]

01:04:13   and hey [TS]

01:04:13   myself slash maybe get a divorce or I [TS]

01:04:16   get like a GTI which is wrong wheel [TS]

01:04:19   drive and not as fast then I'll hate [TS]

01:04:21   myself for not having to go no what do [TS]

01:04:23   you do [TS]

01:04:24   what do you do I'm not that's a [TS]

01:04:25   rhetorical question keep fixing your car [TS]

01:04:26   until something better comes along [TS]

01:04:27   that's probably the answer but at that [TS]

01:04:29   point I'm gonna run out is my Mac Pro [TS]

01:04:30   technique it's a very very good point [TS]

01:04:38   well or ultimately keep fixing your car [TS]

01:04:40   until you are like Consulting [TS]

01:04:42   millionaire and you can buy Julia yeah [TS]

01:04:45   that's the answer actually that doesn't [TS]

01:04:47   have sunroof either anyway I know I mean [TS]

01:04:51   in a week it didn't bother sunroofs [TS]

01:04:53   think I'm a nerdy sunroof well cuz [TS]

01:04:55   you're tall and you hate things alright [TS]

01:04:56   there's nothing worse than having your [TS]

01:04:58   hair touches a headliner [TS]

01:04:59   that is the best summary of your [TS]

01:05:02   perspective on on Sun roofs is you're [TS]

01:05:05   tall and you hate things no it's true [TS]

01:05:07   have you a Marco hasn't for various [TS]

01:05:10   reasons but have you ever had your hair [TS]

01:05:12   a touch the headliner at a car oh it's [TS]

01:05:14   infuriating but I have a couple of [TS]

01:05:15   friends I guess just one in particular [TS]

01:05:18   that I'm thinking of that is about the [TS]

01:05:19   same height as you so I'm like six-foot [TS]

01:05:22   give or take in inch depending on the [TS]

01:05:24   day and you're what six - is that right [TS]

01:05:26   yeah but I got more neck above the belt [TS]

01:05:32   line anyway the point of driving at is [TS]

01:05:39   is that he hates Sun roofs because [TS]

01:05:42   sunroof Sun roofs whatever because he's [TS]

01:05:45   constantly complaining and moaning about [TS]

01:05:46   his head hitting the the headliner [TS]

01:05:48   because apparently it's worse when you [TS]

01:05:50   have a Sun roof I don't really [TS]

01:05:51   understand that since there's yeah it [TS]

01:05:52   intrudes into the interior space is why [TS]

01:05:54   I never buy cars with sunroofs because [TS]

01:05:55   it makes it makes most cars fit me with [TS]

01:05:58   no sunroof as soon as you put the [TS]

01:05:59   sunroof in edits the headliner almost [TS]

01:06:01   always no matter how low you can make [TS]

01:06:02   the seat go it's true even true in [TS]

01:06:03   Honda's yeah because like they don't [TS]

01:06:05   make the car like surface thicker and [TS]

01:06:07   they don't make the car taller they just [TS]

01:06:09   make it intrude into the interior space [TS]

01:06:10   and they don't make that they don't make [TS]

01:06:12   the seats go down lower either like they [TS]

01:06:14   could do that could say okay on the [TS]

01:06:15   sunroof models the seat goes down an [TS]

01:06:16   extra two inches but they don't yeah the [TS]

01:06:18   problems of tall people yeah well I [TS]

01:06:20   thought I had the poof of your hair of [TS]

01:06:21   the two of us but you know whatever I [TS]

01:06:23   used to have the movie hair my youth see [TS]

01:06:25   this is only a problem [TS]

01:06:27   if you are tall and have tall hair you [TS]

01:06:31   don't need to have tall hair if you're [TS]

01:06:32   at if your physical skull it's the [TS]

01:06:34   headliner which can happen depending on [TS]

01:06:36   the car doesn't matter what your [TS]

01:06:37   hairstyle is but it's almost worse when [TS]

01:06:39   your skull doesn't end it but your hair [TS]

01:06:41   just barely hits it because it's it's [TS]

01:06:43   all staticky and it pull it's it's the [TS]

01:06:44   worst it's the worst yeah I really feel [TS]

01:06:46   bad for you guys that's that sounds all [TS]

01:06:47   good you should I feel bad for your head [TS]

01:06:50   sunburn and you should feel bad for my [TS]

01:06:55   avid wow this is getting aggressive [TS]

01:06:58   alright let's let's tone I do always [TS]

01:06:59   have to wear a hat in the summertime [TS]

01:07:01   it's why I actually can't use my sunroof [TS]

01:07:04   it's summertime usually because I have [TS]

01:07:06   to wear a hat and when I do that my [TS]

01:07:08   blows off like if it's windy so so [TS]

01:07:11   usually I get most of my son Roofing [TS]

01:07:13   done in the in the offseason and like [TS]

01:07:15   this fall winter and spring when I can [TS]

01:07:18   have it hat free and hopefully not get a [TS]

01:07:20   sunburn on my head in January that's why [TS]

01:07:22   Casey wants a Wrangler no roof right I'm [TS]

01:07:25   saying although it'll totally forgot my [TS]

01:07:27   hair every time and so then I have a [TS]

01:07:29   whole new world of problems sorry to you [TS]

01:07:31   too vain for Englund everyone I know I'm [TS]

01:07:32   saying [TS]

01:07:33   and by the way Tim underscore underscore [TS]

01:07:35   underscore I have never driven a GTI and [TS]

01:07:39   everyone I know who has ever had that's [TS]

01:07:42   the key phrase here had a GTI always [TS]

01:07:45   says that I'm crazy to want to go far [TS]

01:07:47   the GTI is better but I do know that I [TS]

01:07:50   hate front wheel drive with all of my [TS]

01:07:52   being and so that is one major reason [TS]

01:07:56   why I suspect I would not like a GTI I [TS]

01:07:58   should try it and I probably will try it [TS]

01:08:00   if the time ever comes but I hate front [TS]

01:08:03   wheel drive and I'm assuming and I'm [TS]

01:08:05   swearing like a sailor because I'm [TS]

01:08:06   assuming none of this is making the show [TS]

01:08:07   you used to you used to hit automatics [TS]

01:08:10   too and then you go to Julia Touche [TS]

01:08:12   I mean honestly like it's you're really [TS]

01:08:15   getting yourself into a BMW like it with [TS]

01:08:18   morale but look it's not a big deal like [TS]

01:08:21   just know going into it in the same way [TS]

01:08:24   like when you buy an Apple product we [TS]

01:08:28   all love Apple products but we also know [TS]

01:08:31   that okay in two years they're gonna [TS]

01:08:35   release something that makes this look [TS]

01:08:37   ancient and if it's an iOS product in [TS]

01:08:40   two years it [TS]

01:08:41   gonna be a lot slower than when I bought [TS]

01:08:43   it because the new OS will be slower on [TS]

01:08:46   this hardware you not like you just kind [TS]

01:08:48   of know that like this is going to [TS]

01:08:51   degrade in my satisfaction or an actual [TS]

01:08:54   usage in certain ways over time you know [TS]

01:08:57   that going into it and so you you know [TS]

01:08:59   you plan for that you you know you do [TS]

01:09:01   what you can to complain about it on [TS]

01:09:03   podcast but for the most part you're [TS]

01:09:04   kind of stuck with it and so you deal [TS]

01:09:06   with it because it's better than buying [TS]

01:09:08   Windows right and so like in this case [TS]

01:09:11   like if if the if all the attributes of [TS]

01:09:14   a car that you actually like a lot seem [TS]

01:09:19   to really pretty much only be available [TS]

01:09:21   on BMWs it's not that ridiculous for you [TS]

01:09:24   to buy another BMW even though your [TS]

01:09:26   current one has given you lots of [TS]

01:09:27   service trouble just know going into it [TS]

01:09:29   make the decision accordingly that like [TS]

01:09:31   this is going to cost money and repairs [TS]

01:09:33   if I have to repair it so you can then [TS]

01:09:35   either me idiot you can make different [TS]

01:09:36   decisions about things like you know how [TS]

01:09:38   much do you spend that in the first [TS]

01:09:39   place maybe you like to save a budget [TS]

01:09:41   for repairs later or do you do you lease [TS]

01:09:44   something or finance something under [TS]

01:09:45   warranty and then get rid of it or sell [TS]

01:09:48   it when it's out of warranty like you [TS]

01:09:50   know you could make different decisions [TS]

01:09:51   it doesn't mean you need to get [TS]

01:09:54   something that is severely lacking in [TS]

01:09:56   areas you care about just despite this [TS]

01:09:59   company that couldn't give less of a [TS]

01:10:01   damn about you yeah that's fair I don't [TS]

01:10:04   know in in part of the reason why the [TS]

01:10:06   Volkswagen line or train of thought is [TS]

01:10:09   appealing to me is because they're now [TS]

01:10:10   offering six year warranties as far as [TS]

01:10:12   I'm aware anyway they're offering six [TS]

01:10:14   two year warranties on all their cars [TS]

01:10:15   and I tend to own a car for between six [TS]

01:10:18   and ten years so there's something [TS]

01:10:20   appealing to me in having a car that is [TS]

01:10:23   warranteed for that long and granted I [TS]

01:10:25   could get like an extended warranty for [TS]

01:10:26   I could have gotten an extended warranty [TS]

01:10:28   for my car don't get those or Panza no [TS]

01:10:31   no those are repos [TS]

01:10:31   right and that's the thing is that even [TS]

01:10:33   if you don't like a buddy of mine who [TS]

01:10:35   has a 2011 335 he got an extended [TS]

01:10:39   warranty for his and had some sort of [TS]

01:10:42   actually similar problem to my [TS]

01:10:44   valvetrain although I guess it was just [TS]

01:10:45   starting to go and then fixed itself or [TS]

01:10:47   something I forget the details I know [TS]

01:10:48   that sounds funny just go with it so [TS]

01:10:50   anyway he asked the you know extended [TS]

01:10:52   warranty people hey can I go ahead and [TS]

01:10:54   get this repair [TS]

01:10:55   and they were like well if the car is [TS]

01:10:56   not actively exhibiting the problem then [TS]

01:10:58   now despite the fact that the BMW tech [TS]

01:11:00   was like hey we saw that this was a code [TS]

01:11:03   that was thrown so presumably it didn't [TS]

01:11:06   do that for funsies yeah so it's just [TS]

01:11:08   it's it's insurance all over again right [TS]

01:11:10   it's just a freaking nightmare but [TS]

01:11:12   anyway you you're you're cheating and [TS]

01:11:14   using my weakness to keep me on the [TS]

01:11:16   microphone right now and talking about [TS]

01:11:17   cars bully accidental mm-hmm what we [TS]

01:11:22   should do is we should do some ask a TP [TS]

01:11:23   and Clint asks so do you think if you [TS]

01:11:25   had pmw do you stop it do you think it'd [TS]

01:11:28   be M 3 M 2 or m235i none of the above [TS]

01:11:31   because I can't afford it because you're [TS]

01:11:34   making me quit my job [TS]

01:11:35   the the 235 line is really not that [TS]

01:11:37   ridiculous well I can't put any kids in [TS]

01:11:39   it then that's true by the way why am i [TS]

01:11:41   letting myself get into this and stop [TS]

01:11:42   stop we need to ask a TV have you given [TS]

01:11:44   any more thought to quitting your job [TS]

01:11:46   [Music] [TS]

01:11:47   I've given an unreasonable amount of [TS]

01:11:51   thought to that stop just why am i [TS]

01:11:53   allowing this how many how many offers [TS]

01:11:55   have you gotten just ballpark I have [TS]

01:11:58   gotten probably I would say less than 10 [TS]

01:12:01   listeners you know what to do keep going [TS]

01:12:04   keep go [TS]

01:12:06   to be honest I've barely explored those [TS]

01:12:08   because I've been so swamped with [TS]

01:12:09   pre-baby insanity that I probably seem [TS]

01:12:12   like the most reluctant independent [TS]

01:12:14   worker ever because I have a couple of [TS]

01:12:16   emails that I need to reply to I just [TS]

01:12:18   haven't had the time yet but anyway but [TS]

01:12:20   we'll see what happens with that but we [TS]

01:12:22   should talk about SK TP where Clint X [TS]

01:12:26   Pro kids in your tiny car if you have an [TS]

01:12:30   XC 90 like you could prop you could get [TS]

01:12:32   a car that could fit in the xc90 that is [TS]

01:12:35   true however like like the m235i a [TS]

01:12:38   pretty small car like a pretty good one [TS]

01:12:41   by all the reviews right haven't you [TS]

01:12:42   driven one yes I did drive a [TS]

01:12:45   several-year old one now it's like three [TS]

01:12:47   or four years old [TS]

01:12:48   well it isn't if I if it was still [TS]

01:12:50   around today the guy who owned it has [TS]

01:12:52   since unloaded it for basically my car [TS]

01:12:54   actually but at the time it was maybe [TS]

01:12:56   two years old and it was magnificent but [TS]

01:12:58   they go among other things used em 235 [TS]

01:13:01   that's a good answer but the problem [TS]

01:13:05   with that is a I'd want the M to be [TS]

01:13:07   those are [TS]

01:13:08   impossible to find in slightly [TS]

01:13:09   unaffordable in C or three I don't [TS]

01:13:12   remember which one I was going for I do [TS]

01:13:14   a preschool run with Declan and I would [TS]

01:13:16   like to be able to take Aaron or I would [TS]

01:13:18   like to be able to take both kids in the [TS]

01:13:19   car and not leave anyone stranded [TS]

01:13:21   because although Aaron is capable of [TS]

01:13:22   driving a stick Aaron doesn't think [TS]

01:13:23   Aaron's capable of driving a stick which [TS]

01:13:25   means Aaron can't drive a stick so it's [TS]

01:13:28   it's a bad situation but can we please [TS]

01:13:31   do ask a TP I'm gonna need to start or [TS]

01:13:33   start ignoring the car talk because you [TS]

01:13:34   know it's the m2 available with a DCT so [TS]

01:13:38   Clint a CC is a really a DCT established [TS]

01:13:41   to delay the MacPro John would you tell [TS]

01:13:43   me if you don't mind TM w m2 DCT so [TS]

01:13:48   obviously it exists let's see that looks [TS]

01:13:49   pretty nice and Aaron could drive a DCT [TS]

01:13:51   we can do car stuff after ass we are [TS]

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01:15:41   Apple will delay the MacPro release [TS]

01:15:43   until a new CPU architecture has been [TS]

01:15:45   designed I personally don't think [TS]

01:15:48   that'll be the case unless Intel says [TS]

01:15:50   hey it's already designed and it's [TS]

01:15:52   eminent and we'll have it out in a month [TS]

01:15:54   which will never happen so no I don't [TS]

01:15:56   think so Marco what do you think oh man [TS]

01:15:58   Sam McGee just found a used listing for [TS]

01:16:00   a white m2 it's an AK question you [TS]

01:16:07   should be excited about this one into it [TS]

01:16:11   Apple better not wait because I think [TS]

01:16:14   it's actually gonna be longer than [TS]

01:16:15   people think before there is a literal [TS]

01:16:18   new CPU architecture that works around [TS]

01:16:19   this issue because this issue is deeply [TS]

01:16:22   embedded into the way CPUs have been [TS]

01:16:23   designed for many many years unless [TS]

01:16:26   until started on this project for years [TS]

01:16:28   ago a new CPU that solves this problem [TS]

01:16:31   is not coming anytime soon [TS]

01:16:34   but more importantly like I don't want [TS]

01:16:37   Apple to delay anything like they're [TS]

01:16:39   gonna continue to sell iMac pros and all [TS]

01:16:41   the other computers with these CPUs that [TS]

01:16:43   are vulnerable to this with OS level [TS]

01:16:45   workarounds and that's what they're [TS]

01:16:46   gonna do with the Mac Pro tips oh no no [TS]

01:16:48   delay for delay for this anyway you know [TS]

01:16:51   last thing you want is to give Apple a [TS]

01:16:52   reason to delay the Mac Pro please don't [TS]

01:16:54   give them reasons even I would agree [TS]

01:16:56   with that and there's a thread on the [TS]

01:16:58   specter meltdown stuff like be exactly [TS]

01:17:01   how long a time lines are for a new [TS]

01:17:03   architecture if you start today oh we [TS]

01:17:06   haven't been doing anything to mitigate [TS]

01:17:07   this as yet you know this this unknown [TS]

01:17:10   you know we didn't know about specter [TS]

01:17:12   meltdown until you know a couple weeks [TS]

01:17:13   ago or whatever let's start today on a [TS]

01:17:17   new architecture let's take whatever [TS]

01:17:20   project we've been working on and modify [TS]

01:17:21   it to account for this the timelines are [TS]

01:17:24   long it's not like well give us a couple [TS]

01:17:26   months and will have a new CPU out if [TS]

01:17:27   you look at how long it takes to go from [TS]

01:17:29   idea to actual design to you know laying [TS]

01:17:34   out [TS]

01:17:35   they still call it taping out to fabbing [TS]

01:17:38   and verifying and like that those [TS]

01:17:40   timelines are long so don't hold your [TS]

01:17:42   breath [TS]

01:17:43   for brand-new CPU architectures that [TS]

01:17:45   completely eliminate this category of [TS]

01:17:47   error there could be smaller fixes [TS]

01:17:49   coming to minor revisions of existing [TS]

01:17:52   chips that help either help mitigate it [TS]

01:17:55   or help make it so that the OS level [TS]

01:17:56   workarounds are not don't have as big a [TS]

01:17:58   performance it that can happen in the [TS]

01:18:00   near term if they scramble but it's such [TS]

01:18:03   a big change to actually make this [TS]

01:18:05   category of bug not exist and also [TS]

01:18:07   maintain performance that I think it's [TS]

01:18:10   gonna be years also keep in mind that [TS]

01:18:12   the Mac Pro and iMac Pro use Xeon chips [TS]

01:18:16   Zeon's are the last ships and Intel's [TS]

01:18:18   lineup to get new microarchitectures so [TS]

01:18:21   whenever they fix it in their consumer [TS]

01:18:23   chips you're not gonna see it in any [TS]

01:18:25   kind of Xeon workstation for another [TS]

01:18:27   year and a half to three years after [TS]

01:18:29   that yeah I even I don't want this to be [TS]

01:18:32   delayed and god I just need to I just [TS]

01:18:35   need to get through the Mac Pro [TS]

01:18:37   discussion and if I can get through the [TS]

01:18:38   forthcoming Mac Pro discussion like in [TS]

01:18:40   future episodes whenever it's announced [TS]

01:18:41   then I think the show may be able to [TS]

01:18:43   last forever because if I can make it [TS]

01:18:45   through that I'll be good [TS]

01:18:46   Bryce Ness John I heard you say that [TS]

01:18:49   hi-c message from a friend the three of [TS]

01:18:57   us saying can someone explain rx Swift [TS]

01:19:00   it's important or this cold by tomorrow [TS]

01:19:01   morning I think you know something about [TS]

01:19:06   argh Swift can you can you help help our [TS]

01:19:08   friend out after the show after the show [TS]

01:19:11   why are you using all my weaknesses [TS]

01:19:13   against it they also today I learned I [TS]

01:19:15   have like 17 different flavors of [TS]

01:19:16   Kryptonite anyway is that prescription [TS]

01:19:21   Swift what is that what is that yeah [TS]

01:19:22   it's prescription sweat oh god I hate [TS]

01:19:25   all of you including our nameless friend [TS]

01:19:28   John I heard you say about the High [TS]

01:19:32   Sierra root bug that you keep your root [TS]

01:19:33   account enabled anyway so you already [TS]

01:19:36   had a strong password for what reason do [TS]

01:19:37   you need the root account why not just [TS]

01:19:39   use sudo what does root do that sudo [TS]

01:19:42   can't I'm actually curious to hear this [TS]

01:19:44   as well because I don't have a root [TS]

01:19:47   account with the password I just use [TS]

01:19:48   sudo for everything [TS]

01:19:49   I would need and I do dive into command [TS]

01:19:52   line daily but I strongly suspect I am [TS]

01:19:55   NOT doing near and near as much in the [TS]

01:19:58   command line as you are John so can you [TS]

01:20:00   address this like what's the purpose for [TS]

01:20:02   the root account to having a password or [TS]

01:20:04   is it just you having needing a tinfoil [TS]

01:20:06   hat is the opposite actually what you're [TS]

01:20:08   doing is the better way to do things do [TS]

01:20:09   everything is the user only do sudo when [TS]

01:20:12   you need to do something with heightened [TS]

01:20:14   privileges but the worst habit that I do [TS]

01:20:18   because I'm old is just hanging out as [TS]

01:20:20   rude all the time you know because I I [TS]

01:20:22   don't use package managers I compile and [TS]

01:20:25   install things you know myself and it's [TS]

01:20:29   just convenience it just always be rout [TS]

01:20:30   and have all of my source files owned by [TS]

01:20:33   root and build everything as root and [TS]

01:20:34   that's incredibly dangerous to do that [TS]

01:20:36   you should not do this I did not [TS]

01:20:38   recommend this practice but it is my [TS]

01:20:39   habit and because that's my habit and [TS]

01:20:41   it's my computer I'd do it and many [TS]

01:20:45   years of experience including [TS]

01:20:47   accidentally destroying a couple of OSS [TS]

01:20:49   and my youth has allowed me to be pretty [TS]

01:20:52   careful and pretty safe but still it's [TS]

01:20:54   not a good idea you should do everything [TS]

01:20:56   as your user and just hide elevate [TS]

01:20:57   privileges briefly only when you need it [TS]

01:21:00   Marco any thoughts nope about this about [TS]

01:21:03   this specifically for the love of God [TS]

01:21:05   you know I'm thinking of traveling to [TS]

01:21:07   Manhattan I want to know if you had any [TS]

01:21:09   Pizza recommendations Johnson Bleecker [TS]

01:21:16   moving on [TS]

01:21:17   Jim and away asks mark did you ever buy [TS]

01:21:21   a Sonos one with Alexa and if so do you [TS]

01:21:23   like it no I actually I had i [TS]

01:21:26   pre-ordered it and then before it came [TS]

01:21:28   out when they review started coming out [TS]

01:21:29   I canceled the pre-order because I [TS]

01:21:30   realized I didn't care that much I I [TS]

01:21:33   have some sono stuff but I wouldn't say [TS]

01:21:36   I'm super in the Sonos ecosystem I just [TS]

01:21:38   I find their app fairly clunky for the [TS]

01:21:42   things I want to do with with my music [TS]

01:21:43   so I almost never want to actually use [TS]

01:21:47   it for anything so in the other side I [TS]

01:21:52   love the Amazon echo and use it [TS]

01:21:54   constantly and and it's very very nice [TS]

01:21:57   and one of the things that this one was [TS]

01:21:59   one I think was was worse about is you [TS]

01:22:03   like every echo that comes out since the [TS]

01:22:05   original tower and dot it doesn't have [TS]

01:22:08   the the hardware volume dial on the top [TS]

01:22:11   and some of the other of you said that [TS]

01:22:13   they thought the microphones might be a [TS]

01:22:15   little bit worse or at least that they [TS]

01:22:17   were having some trouble with them and [TS]

01:22:18   so I just decided you know I don't I [TS]

01:22:20   don't need this so just cancel it and [TS]

01:22:22   I'm very happy with my first generation [TS]

01:22:25   Amazon echo and with with the big [TS]

01:22:28   hardware volume knob and the nice [TS]

01:22:29   microphones and it's totally fine and I [TS]

01:22:32   don't really I haven't bought any the [TS]

01:22:34   new echos yet either because you know [TS]

01:22:36   same reason basically I'm very happy [TS]

01:22:37   with the old one and we don't really [TS]

01:22:38   have any needs for any additional ones [TS]

01:22:40   at this time all right so how do we want [TS]

01:22:42   to approach this do you want to do arm [TS]

01:22:44   and keep me here for 17 hours or do you [TS]

01:22:47   want to do no that's it that's it time [TS]

01:22:49   for that show I thought we were doing a [TS]

01:22:51   longer after show what are we talking [TS]

01:22:52   about cars have to show thanks to our [TS]

01:22:57   sponsors this week betterment Linode and [TS]

01:22:59   fracture and we will see you next week [TS]

01:23:04   now the show is over [TS]

01:23:07   they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:23:10   accidental accidental [TS]

01:23:16   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

01:23:19   him cuz it was accidentally was [TS]

01:23:23   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:23:27   notes at a TPM and it into Twitter you [TS]

01:23:34   can follow them CAS URL is s so that's [TS]

01:23:40   Casey list and a are Co AR m and T Marco [TS]

01:23:46   Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

01:23:55   [Music] [TS]

01:24:04   my first question for kc is what system [TS]

01:24:08   have you established for this podcasting [TS]

01:24:11   recording tonight to be notified that [TS]

01:24:14   it's time to stop podcasting there are [TS]

01:24:17   several mechanisms there is a message [TS]

01:24:19   there is Erin coming in the room I just [TS]

01:24:23   I guess that's really it it's basically [TS]

01:24:24   either iMessage or Internet storms in [TS]

01:24:26   here and says it's time for screaming I [TS]

01:24:30   was gonna say that but we are mystic [TS]

01:24:32   corners of the house so yes that would [TS]

01:24:34   work but it would need to be significant [TS]

01:24:37   enough that it would wake up me and well [TS]

01:24:40   nothing I'm asleep you know what I mean [TS]

01:24:41   like it would have to get through me and [TS]

01:24:43   it would wake up Declan and Aaron has a [TS]

01:24:46   I don't want to use the word heroic but [TS]

01:24:49   I can't think of a better adjective just [TS]

01:24:50   a heroic threshold for pain and so [TS]

01:24:54   because of that I wouldn't be surprised [TS]

01:24:58   if she could go through something that [TS]

01:25:00   would render me unconscious and she just [TS]

01:25:03   would you know have like a little yeah [TS]

01:25:05   that hurt you know or something like [TS]

01:25:07   that so anyway I would expect that she [TS]

01:25:11   would either iMessage me or she would [TS]

01:25:13   just come storming in and say this is it [TS]

01:25:14   I was worried that she's like having [TS]

01:25:16   contractions now and she can't bring [TS]

01:25:17   herself to even do a text message so [TS]

01:25:19   she's just down you know and the other [TS]

01:25:21   side of the house bearing down wishing [TS]

01:25:22   you would know that it's time to stop [TS]

01:25:24   podcasting and here you are continuing [TS]

01:25:25   to podcast that certainly could be but I [TS]

01:25:28   as of about half an hour ago I was being [TS]

01:25:31   kept abreast of the situation and a nice [TS]

01:25:33   I sincerely doubt that's the case it's [TS]

01:25:35   time to turn the baby monitor on mom so [TS]

01:25:37   you can be well actually come to think [TS]

01:25:39   of it we did get an entire second baby [TS]

01:25:41   monitor for Sprigg which we planned [TS]

01:25:44   well actually what we ended up doing was [TS]

01:25:46   just pairing the the second the camera [TS]

01:25:49   from the other baby monitor to our [TS]

01:25:50   existing baby monitor but it was like 20 [TS]

01:25:53   bucks more to get the whole monitor [TS]

01:25:54   rather than to just get an extra camera [TS]

01:25:56   well you know what I mean or something [TS]

01:25:57   like that it was it was it was silly not [TS]

01:25:59   to just get a whole redundant set up so [TS]

01:26:01   anyways well I bring all this up to say [TS]

01:26:03   I could hypothetically [TS]

01:26:04   put that baby monitor camera back on [TS]

01:26:07   Aaron and take the redundant monitor in [TS]

01:26:09   here but no as far [TS]

01:26:11   I know she's asleep which means if I [TS]

01:26:14   sent her text message right now she [TS]

01:26:15   probably be like yep it's it's coming [TS]

01:26:17   sooner rather than later [TS]

01:26:18   but we'll see you think she's asleep [TS]

01:26:20   right now as far as I know she was [TS]

01:26:22   trying to I mean that's wise honestly [TS]

01:26:25   you should be sleeping right now if [TS]

01:26:26   you're Marco tonight or tomorrow it's [TS]

01:26:31   like it was my first kid like my wife's [TS]

01:26:34   water broke at midnight we were up we [TS]

01:26:37   were about to go to bed it broke at [TS]

01:26:38   midnight and and the doctor was like you [TS]

01:26:40   should go to sleep and come to the hotel [TS]

01:26:41   and come to the hospital in the morning [TS]

01:26:43   I don't think it's possible when you're [TS]

01:26:47   having it certainly the first kid and [TS]

01:26:49   your wife's water is broken oh we're [TS]

01:26:51   just gonna get some sleep now yeah sure [TS]

01:26:53   everyone will just nod right off nothing [TS]

01:26:56   will be occupying our minds that keeps [TS]

01:26:57   us from sleeping so we just sat there in [TS]

01:26:59   the bed not sleeping for five hours then [TS]

01:27:03   went to the hospital the thing is [TS]

01:27:07   especially for the women like granted I [TS]

01:27:12   haven't done this in a little over three [TS]

01:27:13   years but well pretty much shortly after [TS]

01:27:16   they arrived at the hospital and get you [TS]

01:27:17   know an IV put in and all that they're [TS]

01:27:19   told or at least in our experience Aaron [TS]

01:27:21   was told you can't eat anything any more [TS]

01:27:23   and so because of that you know [TS]

01:27:26   everything becomes uncomfortable not [TS]

01:27:27   that it wasn't already uncomfortable but [TS]

01:27:29   everything becomes more uncomfortable [TS]

01:27:31   for the woman once you arrive at the [TS]

01:27:32   hospital so for a lot of reasons most [TS]

01:27:34   doctors will say you know for the for [TS]

01:27:37   the best that you can or to the to the [TS]

01:27:39   best that you can try to avoid coming [TS]

01:27:41   into the hospital until like it's really [TS]

01:27:43   getting on go time and so and on the way [TS]

01:27:46   into the hospital go gorge yourself on [TS]

01:27:47   some sort of fast food because [TS]

01:27:49   especially the the mom is not going to [TS]

01:27:51   be eating for a long time so as far as [TS]

01:27:55   if I were to wager a guess unless [TS]

01:27:56   something is going on in there that I'm [TS]

01:27:57   not aware of I think tomorrow morning [TS]

01:28:00   we're probably going to wake up find [TS]

01:28:02   somebody well I mean we have plenty of [TS]

01:28:04   options but find somebody to take care [TS]

01:28:05   of Declan and probably call it in oh [TS]

01:28:07   yeah the system of notification declan's [TS]

01:28:10   still hanging out in your house news [TS]

01:28:11   anyway right now - it's yeah what's the [TS]

01:28:13   handoff plan there so we have neighbors [TS]

01:28:16   that live very close by that you like [TS]

01:28:20   walk ibly close by that could come over [TS]

01:28:23   Aaron's youngest sister [TS]

01:28:25   is a short drive away and Aaron's mom is [TS]

01:28:29   about 20 minutes away and so there's you [TS]

01:28:33   know a multi-tiered approach that we can [TS]

01:28:35   go to if if we need to leave in the [TS]

01:28:37   middle of the night I'm gonna flashback [TS]

01:28:39   anxiety from the fact that you don't [TS]

01:28:41   have someone in your house right now and [TS]

01:28:43   stand by Declan Duty idea that you're [TS]

01:28:46   gonna have enough time for someone to [TS]

01:28:48   show up at your house or that you'll be [TS]

01:28:49   able to divert right it was my situation [TS]

01:28:52   was we had we had a friend all lined up [TS]

01:28:54   to all I was tonight no worries like you [TS]

01:28:56   you know it's 3:00 a.m. at the time just [TS]

01:28:58   give us a call we'll be there and my [TS]

01:29:01   friend was good to his word he you know [TS]

01:29:04   was there but by the time he showed up [TS]

01:29:06   the baby was out so there's that yeah [TS]

01:29:11   yeah I that honest to God your birth [TS]

01:29:15   story you're in Tina's birth story that [TS]

01:29:18   has weighed on me heavily for the last [TS]

01:29:20   month or two and I'm not saying that to [TS]

01:29:22   be funny like I really really has [TS]

01:29:24   because so often Aaron will be like not [TS]

01:29:26   just her I'll be like you know oh well [TS]

01:29:29   you know her mom your mom will be here [TS]

01:29:30   in like 20 minutes I'm sure that'll be [TS]

01:29:31   fine and then one of us will say to thee [TS]

01:29:33   it should be it totally should be I mean [TS]

01:29:35   you know how long it was Declan you've [TS]

01:29:36   to him plenty time exactly Declan was a [TS]

01:29:39   very long birth and so it should be fine [TS]

01:29:41   but then I think about poor Tina who [TS]

01:29:43   says hey why don't you go get the [TS]

01:29:45   neighbor because I think it's time and [TS]

01:29:46   then next thing you know oh there's your [TS]

01:29:48   youngest in your hands there was some [TS]

01:29:52   there was a lot of screaming and blood [TS]

01:29:53   between those two phases but yes yeah [TS]

01:29:58   yes so that I kid you not I'll say it [TS]

01:30:01   again like your birth story your your [TS]

01:30:04   mutual birth story for for when your [TS]

01:30:06   daughter was born has weighed heavily on [TS]

01:30:08   me especially in the last month but for [TS]

01:30:10   Declan you know it was I think Monday [TS]

01:30:13   morning it doesn't really matter but it [TS]

01:30:15   was one morning I think it was a Monday [TS]

01:30:17   morning that Aaron woke up and was like [TS]

01:30:18   well I'm having a lot of Braxton Hicks [TS]

01:30:19   and then went about her day then it was [TS]

01:30:21   the middle of the night Tuesday that it [TS]

01:30:24   was becoming obvious that no this was it [TS]

01:30:27   and we went into the hospital I want to [TS]

01:30:28   say it was Tuesday morning and you know [TS]

01:30:31   by the tub well we went to the OB to see [TS]

01:30:34   you if this was it and the OB took [TS]

01:30:36   literally didn't he [TS]

01:30:37   make her second leg in the doorway to [TS]

01:30:40   look at Aaron she only had one foot in [TS]

01:30:42   the doorway in in the examination room [TS]

01:30:44   and turned around and shouted down the [TS]

01:30:46   hall hey can you call L&D we have one [TS]

01:30:48   coming in so that was a Tuesday morning [TS]

01:30:51   and Declan was born at like 5:30 6 [TS]

01:30:55   o'clock on Wednesday morning or [TS]

01:30:56   something like that so clearly not all [TS]

01:30:58   of this was well it's easy for dude to [TS]

01:31:00   say this right but not all of this was [TS]

01:31:02   like the hyper intense labor but it was [TS]

01:31:04   labor for like two full days and so it [TS]

01:31:08   stands to reason he says this he knocks [TS]

01:31:10   on his glass desk because there's no [TS]

01:31:12   wood nearby that uh that that Sprague [TS]

01:31:14   will not make a your youngest styled [TS]

01:31:17   appearance but we'll see about that [TS]

01:31:19   is it possible given Aaron stated [TS]

01:31:22   tolerance for pain that you already have [TS]

01:31:24   a second kid I mean we were talking [TS]

01:31:29   about the mi pro for a long time that is [TS]

01:31:32   true and in cars even longer you know it [TS]

01:31:35   is certainly possible I did send her a [TS]

01:31:36   text message about 10 or 15 minutes ago [TS]

01:31:38   and she has not responded which means [TS]

01:31:39   either she is trying to sleep is asleep [TS]

01:31:42   or there's a kid in the other room and I [TS]

01:31:43   just don't know it [TS]

01:31:44   I mean you aren't out of the house I [TS]

01:31:46   mean anything do you want me to go check [TS]

01:31:51   but yeah it's funny because Aaron and I [TS]

01:31:53   I don't know how much this comes across [TS]

01:31:55   on the show and I mean I know you two [TS]

01:31:57   know this but for your average listener [TS]

01:31:58   I don't know if it's obvious but Aaron [TS]

01:32:00   and I are both like SuperDuper type-a [TS]

01:32:03   super anal retentive loved to have every [TS]

01:32:06   T crossed every I dotted every minute [TS]

01:32:09   planned and and it's funny because with [TS]

01:32:11   this one there's not a lot of planning [TS]

01:32:14   you can do for a kid unless you have a [TS]

01:32:16   scheduled induction which we do have for [TS]

01:32:19   a few days from now but it's certainly [TS]

01:32:20   not looking like we're gonna make it [TS]

01:32:22   anyway if my date was yesterday right no [TS]

01:32:25   it's today okay yeah so I mean it's [TS]

01:32:28   right on time exactly but but I bring I [TS]

01:32:32   bring up us being in or a tenant because [TS]

01:32:34   when it comes to Declan we're basically [TS]

01:32:36   like as soon as we have done that [TS]

01:32:38   initial handoff that you know you were [TS]

01:32:39   asking about John as soon as that [TS]

01:32:41   happens whatever just somebody amongst [TS]

01:32:44   you my family your Aaron's family I just [TS]

01:32:46   figured out amongst yourselves and make [TS]

01:32:48   sure he's still alive in a day and a [TS]

01:32:50   half or whenever [TS]

01:32:51   we can get him in the hospital so he can [TS]

01:32:52   meet his little brother or little sister [TS]

01:32:53   so it's been funny for us to just have [TS]

01:32:56   to embrace being that like I don't know [TS]

01:33:00   freewheeling if you will and just be [TS]

01:33:03   like hey you know what he's three years [TS]

01:33:05   old he's as reasonably self-sufficient [TS]

01:33:08   in the sense that he's not gonna like [TS]

01:33:09   you know live in a poopy diaper for [TS]

01:33:12   eighteen days because he's not using [TS]

01:33:13   diapers [TS]

01:33:14   you know except at night he's able to [TS]

01:33:16   find like in a desperation scenario for [TS]

01:33:18   some reason I'm sure he could scrounge [TS]

01:33:19   up a little bit of like crackers or [TS]

01:33:21   something not to say we're gonna leave [TS]

01:33:22   him home alone I'm just saying like in [TS]

01:33:23   the world in the new baby is already [TS]

01:33:27   stolen your parents love ya just like [TS]

01:33:29   that there's none left for you sorry [TS]

01:33:31   like you realize in these scenarios like [TS]

01:33:33   you're going to jail oh yeah yeah [TS]

01:33:35   exactly we did never do that I'm just [TS]

01:33:36   saying you know if for some reason there [TS]

01:33:39   was some sort of miscommunication and [TS]

01:33:40   they I don't know why my like where the [TS]

01:33:45   new baby is gonna give Declan the [TS]

01:33:47   present we did know we've we've waffled [TS]

01:33:50   back and forth on that and we don't have [TS]

01:33:52   a present so I guess the answer's no we [TS]

01:33:54   I don't really have a good answer on it [TS]

01:33:56   I see both sides of that story and [TS]

01:33:58   because we're so fresh off of Christmas [TS]

01:34:00   and Hanukkah that there's nothing that [TS]

01:34:03   he's told us he's really seeking at the [TS]

01:34:05   moment you know what I mean and I know [TS]

01:34:06   that doesn't mean we can't get him [TS]

01:34:07   something anyway doesn't know what he [TS]

01:34:08   wants yet but what he actually wants is [TS]

01:34:10   not another sibling well he's very [TS]

01:34:12   enthusiastic about his other sibling but [TS]

01:34:14   oh yeah they're great when they're [TS]

01:34:15   inside mommy exactly this is all gonna [TS]

01:34:19   change in just a minute [TS]

01:34:20   oh you know where they might get along [TS]

01:34:21   but like we did the gift that er no this [TS]

01:34:22   is probably my wife's idea but I here to [TS]

01:34:25   tell you it did not help you know I'm [TS]

01:34:27   with my particular two children it [TS]

01:34:28   denial maybe maybe a strategy is you can [TS]

01:34:30   give him a gift that is worse than a new [TS]

01:34:33   sibling in some way that seems like like [TS]

01:34:36   a man like when I was a kid I remember [TS]

01:34:38   like one Christmas I begged him begging [TS]

01:34:39   begged only having seen their own [TS]

01:34:41   commercials for the remote-control [TS]

01:34:43   typhoon hovercraft and boy was that [TS]

01:34:46   terrible oh yeah I had one of those why [TS]

01:34:48   you don't let your kids watch [TS]

01:34:49   commercials Oh was great except it was [TS]

01:34:51   terrible you know there's a reason why [TS]

01:34:53   you don't see a lot of hovercraft and [TS]

01:34:55   news in the world and one of the reasons [TS]

01:34:57   is you can't really steer them very well [TS]

01:34:59   turns out friction is really nice and [TS]

01:35:03   they don't really have a lot of [TS]

01:35:05   and so yeah and also they're incredibly [TS]

01:35:08   loud like a little remote control one [TS]

01:35:10   it's like you know too little like hair [TS]

01:35:13   dryers on the back of this thing for the [TS]

01:35:16   five minutes or so that the battery [TS]

01:35:18   lasts before it dies I was to say [TS]

01:35:20   because you're powering three different [TS]

01:35:21   motors yes off of this like mid 90s [TS]

01:35:24   maybe even early 90s battery tech yeah [TS]

01:35:27   it was a big like NiCad battery pack [TS]

01:35:29   like the size like eight double-a is one [TS]

01:35:32   of those big yellow rectangles it's like [TS]

01:35:33   yep oh man it was truly terrible it was [TS]

01:35:36   no fun at all oh oh who is this who is [TS]

01:35:39   this in the chat call no Chloe de Guzman [TS]

01:35:41   I'm sorry if I pronounced that wrong [TS]

01:35:43   just put the link in the chat and this [TS]

01:35:45   is what I had although I think mine was [TS]

01:35:46   green but this is what I had and oh my [TS]

01:35:49   god it was amazing for the two and a [TS]

01:35:51   half minutes it was working but it's [TS]

01:35:53   funny because in this commercial you see [TS]

01:35:54   it running across water which [TS]

01:35:56   hypothetically it should be able to do [TS]

01:35:57   no you can't do that but that's the [TS]

01:35:59   thing because if you take your finger [TS]

01:36:02   off the throttle for even the slightest [TS]

01:36:04   moment then the I don't I don't remember [TS]

01:36:07   the term for it but the bag under it [TS]

01:36:08   like the buoyancy bass skirt will [TS]

01:36:10   deflate in success the skirt thank you [TS]

01:36:12   the buoyancy bag the skirt the whatever [TS]

01:36:14   will instantly deflate and then you sink [TS]

01:36:16   your hovercraft and that's that so you [TS]

01:36:18   have to like really really commit if [TS]

01:36:21   you're gonna go across water and I think [TS]

01:36:22   them possibly the most stressful moment [TS]

01:36:24   of my childhood was when I did put it in [TS]

01:36:26   a pool for like five seconds and drive [TS]

01:36:29   it you know and I think I was standing [TS]

01:36:30   within like arm's reach of it so if it [TS]

01:36:32   started to sink I could grab it cuz I [TS]

01:36:33   loved this thing even though it was a [TS]

01:36:36   colossal piece of garbage like I would [TS]

01:36:38   just try to play with it indoors and you [TS]

01:36:39   just can't like you're crashing into [TS]

01:36:41   walls constantly like there's nowhere [TS]

01:36:43   you can go with it and then yeah like I [TS]

01:36:45   remember like at the lake I saw somebody [TS]

01:36:47   had one and they broke it because they [TS]

01:36:49   took it onto the water the back end of [TS]

01:36:52   it sunk down for a split second and when [TS]

01:36:54   they put the fans back on the the [TS]

01:36:57   propeller of one of the rear like [TS]

01:36:59   propulsion fans hit the surface of the [TS]

01:37:01   water and just broke like it was just [TS]

01:37:03   these things are not built well and yeah [TS]

01:37:06   this was just not it was such a bad to [TS]

01:37:08   it anyway so I'm saying if you get [TS]

01:37:09   definitely one of these as his new [TS]

01:37:11   awesome gift it is so much worse than [TS]

01:37:14   having a new baby that he might then see [TS]

01:37:16   the baby as like the upgrade [TS]

01:37:18   you know Marco I got to be honest with [TS]

01:37:21   you I think you know we've known each [TS]

01:37:22   other something like 20 years and we're [TS]

01:37:23   pretty good pretty darn good friends and [TS]

01:37:25   I'm gonna have to tell you I'm a little [TS]

01:37:27   disappointed in you because clearly the [TS]

01:37:29   right answer for a gift for Declan is [TS]

01:37:32   either a brand new m3 or brand new [TS]

01:37:34   Wrangler that's the only reasonable [TS]

01:37:37   solution to this problem mmm - honestly [TS]

01:37:39   the m2 is the better car for your [TS]

01:37:41   purposes I mean the only thing is that [TS]

01:37:43   yeah you do you do lose the four-door [TS]

01:37:44   nests of the m3 so in that way I guess [TS]

01:37:47   you probably should get an m3 because [TS]

01:37:48   it's it's the more continuation of what [TS]

01:37:50   you already have but as like an [TS]

01:37:52   enthusiast car I really think the m2 is [TS]

01:37:55   is the way to go nice to mention it's [TS]

01:37:57   probably a much better value downside of [TS]

01:38:00   course being as you mentioned earlier [TS]

01:38:01   that there's not that many of them and [TS]

01:38:03   most of them are not used and yeah of [TS]

01:38:06   course - doors now that you're on the [TS]

01:38:09   auto the automatic bandwagon and BMW is [TS]

01:38:14   in the down period you should consider [TS]

01:38:17   you know something like the mirros car [TS]

01:38:20   got like an e63 and like these are fast [TS]

01:38:24   high-quality four-door cars with plenty [TS]

01:38:27   of room that are very safe reliable not [TS]

01:38:29   that cheap if you get an old one are not [TS]

01:38:30   that expensive if you get an old one and [TS]

01:38:32   who you you'll be fine with the [TS]

01:38:35   automatic you don't need to shift them a [TS]

01:38:36   good good Mercedes's [TS]

01:38:37   aren't you too young for that I mean [TS]

01:38:39   like in the current generation of cars [TS]

01:38:41   like I said you know BMW didn't finish [TS]

01:38:46   in any of the car and drivers 10 best [TS]

01:38:48   for like the first time in a very very [TS]

01:38:50   long time and their Mercedes in there [TS]

01:38:52   the Mercedes II especially the AMG ones [TS]

01:38:54   are fast and fancy I mean the doing is [TS]

01:38:57   still a better car than them but the the [TS]

01:38:59   Mercedes had probably more reliable [TS]

01:39:01   definitely more swanky and we know okay [TS]

01:39:03   Seanie C babied in his old age [TS]

01:39:05   but the problem is you've known enough [TS]

01:39:06   like like okay like 15 years ago WRX [TS]

01:39:10   would have been the right move 15 years [TS]

01:39:12   from now Casey might be Mercedes but [TS]

01:39:15   right now Casey no you got the wrong [TS]

01:39:17   image of Mercedes it's not your father's [TS]

01:39:19   Mercedes boss as soon as that second [TS]

01:39:20   baby arrives it will age him instantly [TS]

01:39:21   like 10 more years so that's a multiply [TS]

01:39:24   for it's a multiplying for how old how [TS]

01:39:26   old you feel he's still gonna need five [TS]

01:39:27   more years before they're gonna let him [TS]

01:39:28   into a Mercedes dealer [TS]

01:39:30   no you get the AMG once it's fine no [TS]

01:39:33   it's actually that to speak about how [TS]

01:39:34   old and entitled I am who was I talking [TS]

01:39:37   to just the other day shoot oh it was my [TS]

01:39:40   buddy who just got the brand-new Accord [TS]

01:39:42   coincidentally and he was saying that he [TS]

01:39:45   had to bring his in I think he was [TS]

01:39:47   getting like an after more like an after [TS]

01:39:49   market but dealer-installed [TS]

01:39:50   Oh Aaron is awake and she has not had [TS]

01:39:53   the kid real-time follow-up all right [TS]

01:39:56   baby's still inside wife repeat baby's [TS]

01:39:59   still inside wife and and it seems that [TS]

01:40:02   things are just not regular so whatever [TS]

01:40:05   anyway are things ever regular you have [TS]

01:40:07   fair point the court guy took his car in [TS]

01:40:10   for service to get like some aftermarket [TS]

01:40:12   thing installed I forget what it was I [TS]

01:40:13   think was like rear a rear USB charger [TS]

01:40:16   or whatever I think there was like a [TS]

01:40:18   honda part that he could have installed [TS]

01:40:20   so you can charge something via a USB in [TS]

01:40:22   the back anyway he was talking about how [TS]

01:40:24   he had to go to enterprise to get a [TS]

01:40:25   loaner and I was just like my face kind [TS]

01:40:28   of imploded it was like that Oh like [TS]

01:40:31   that oh god you have to go to get a [TS]

01:40:32   loaner to like they don't just give you [TS]

01:40:34   one oh yes this is the show how you [TS]

01:40:38   can't go back again to live like the [TS]

01:40:39   little people right no I'm serious like [TS]

01:40:42   an inch and all I'm saying is partially [TS]

01:40:44   to be funny but I mean I really did have [TS]

01:40:46   that brief reaction of like oh god [TS]

01:40:48   that's right you would have to like go [TS]

01:40:49   somewhere to get a rental and that just [TS]

01:40:53   sounds freaking terrible and like listen [TS]

01:40:55   to how obnoxious and entitled I am like [TS]

01:40:57   I'm not proud of this I'm really not I'm [TS]

01:40:58   just saying as soon as you cross that [TS]

01:41:00   threshold into quote unquote luxury [TS]

01:41:03   automobiles you start to get used to [TS]

01:41:06   this thing and it's hard like this is [TS]

01:41:08   why I can understand why all these like [TS]

01:41:09   athletes and movie stars and whatnot are [TS]

01:41:12   entitled books because once you get [TS]

01:41:14   exposed to that it's like well I don't [TS]

01:41:16   wanna go back to having to worry about [TS]

01:41:17   going down to one car while my car gets [TS]

01:41:20   serviced that seems barbaric and then I [TS]

01:41:22   then the next thought that goes through [TS]

01:41:24   my head is well Casey you're an [TS]

01:41:26   Eightball for people who are for peons [TS]

01:41:36   like me who doesn't go to a dealership [TS]

01:41:38   is depending on your dealership you can [TS]

01:41:40   find my dealerships being your [TS]

01:41:42   enterprise [TS]

01:41:42   has enterprise rental counter right in [TS]

01:41:44   the dealership and if you get any [TS]

01:41:46   significant amount of service done you [TS]

01:41:48   get the rental for free [TS]

01:41:49   so essentially you get a loaner Honda [TS]

01:41:52   for free as part of your service without [TS]

01:41:53   having to go in anywhere so it's like [TS]

01:41:55   the I mean I'm gonna say low rent but [TS]

01:41:57   it's the it's the equivalent version of [TS]

01:41:59   so you bringing you BMW here's the BMW [TS]

01:42:01   to drive so you're bringing your Honda [TS]

01:42:02   here's a Honda Drive no charge if you're [TS]

01:42:05   the thing whatever you're having done is [TS]

01:42:07   above some minimum amount of money and [TS]

01:42:09   if you're going to a dealer probably is [TS]

01:42:10   good steel is charged a million dollars [TS]

01:42:11   for everything even Honda dealers but [TS]

01:42:14   yeah it's a little bit different not [TS]

01:42:16   having that be an amenity of the dealer [TS]

01:42:18   but having it to be like well we have [TS]

01:42:20   this we have this relationship with [TS]

01:42:22   enterprise and you know I've never paid [TS]

01:42:24   for an enterprise rental but I have [TS]

01:42:25   gotten free enterprise rentals many [TS]

01:42:27   times how I know how much I hate all of [TS]

01:42:29   the the Honda Accords that I didn't buy [TS]

01:42:31   is all from essentially loaner cars when [TS]

01:42:34   my car is getting serviced the other way [TS]

01:42:35   I'd do it [TS]

01:42:36   how'd the way the little people do it is [TS]

01:42:37   I sit there and wait for my car to be [TS]

01:42:39   done I've done that from time to time [TS]

01:42:42   and yeah you know so confession my first [TS]

01:42:46   thought was going to be to complain [TS]

01:42:47   about my local BMW service like a [TS]

01:42:49   waiting area because it just isn't as [TS]

01:42:51   cushy and nice as some other BMW dealers [TS]

01:42:53   I've been to how far go on am I like how [TS]

01:42:55   much of a friggin jerk am i that the [TS]

01:42:58   first thought that jumps through my head [TS]

01:42:59   is yeah but John you don't understand [TS]

01:43:01   that the service area in this local BMW [TS]

01:43:03   is just okay like it's very nice surface [TS]

01:43:06   area you mean a bunch of cherry shop [TS]

01:43:07   next door like I am I need to get a [TS]

01:43:14   regular person's car so I don't lose [TS]

01:43:16   myself forever I need to buy like a [TS]

01:43:19   pedestrian Civic oh god I'm so terrible [TS]

01:43:23   different amounts of luxury because the [TS]

01:43:25   number of valve trains I've ever had [TS]

01:43:27   exploded in my cars is zero so I have [TS]

01:43:29   that going for me that's true yeah I [TS]

01:43:32   mean I don't need a loaner if either [TS]

01:43:33   thing is never getting serviced for more [TS]

01:43:35   than an hour at a time I've never had a [TS]

01:43:36   repair that has cost as you know as much [TS]

01:43:39   as my car was worth truth too soon oh [TS]

01:43:42   how much so that repair if you didn't [TS]

01:43:45   pay for it right cause it was like a [TS]

01:43:45   warranty or whatever but if you had pay [TS]

01:43:47   for it it would have been like five [TS]

01:43:48   grand or something the the valvetrain [TS]

01:43:50   issue yeah yeah it was like five or six [TS]

01:43:52   grand of which I paid I think five or [TS]

01:43:54   10% of it what ended up happening [TS]

01:43:56   for all the things that were done during [TS]

01:43:57   that visit I think the total bill was [TS]

01:44:00   like six grand of which I paid about a [TS]

01:44:02   thousand and so what was the value of [TS]

01:44:03   your car at the time you had a six [TS]

01:44:05   thousand dollar repair money to thirty [TS]

01:44:07   thousand I think and now it's probably [TS]

01:44:09   10 to 20 thousand so you were like a [TS]

01:44:11   quarter a quarter of the value of your [TS]

01:44:13   car and repair yeah I mean it's [TS]

01:44:15   something like that and then the [TS]

01:44:16   remember it happened again about a year [TS]

01:44:18   year and a half later but they covered [TS]

01:44:19   that not literally under warranty I [TS]

01:44:21   guess but the schedule is coming up soon [TS]

01:44:23   right why you do dis I was I was [TS]

01:44:30   thinking of you when I was reading it oh [TS]

01:44:32   this is scary it might have been a favor [TS]

01:44:35   makes me mad over the internet it's [TS]

01:44:36   really hard to tell these days but it [TS]

01:44:37   was talking about BMWs electric car [TS]

01:44:41   programs and how how battery technology [TS]

01:44:43   is getting better and BMW engineering [TS]

01:44:45   bragging that they're sort of like [TS]

01:44:47   service lifetime of their electric cars [TS]

01:44:50   it's exactly the same as it is for that [TS]

01:44:52   further for their gasoline cars and all [TS]

01:44:54   I could think was that's nothing to brag [TS]

01:44:55   about given the last 15 years mm-hmm [TS]

01:45:03   they're like 70 percent capacity after [TS]

01:45:06   15 years of use it's like well what what [TS]

01:45:09   is the service lifetime of how old is [TS]

01:45:10   your car now though it just had its [TS]

01:45:12   seventh birthday like it was delivered [TS]

01:45:14   to the original owner in early December [TS]

01:45:16   of 2010 I feel like that's not a that's [TS]

01:45:18   not a 15-year service lifetime I mean it [TS]

01:45:21   is like again I I'm very frustrated with [TS]

01:45:25   my car but really in the grand scheme of [TS]

01:45:27   things like this was a pretty [TS]

01:45:28   significant repair a very significant [TS]

01:45:31   repair but in the grand scheme of things [TS]

01:45:33   like the car sitting here now as far as [TS]

01:45:35   I'm aware I drove it earlier today the [TS]

01:45:39   car is operating very very well it has a [TS]

01:45:43   few squeaks and a few rattles but [TS]

01:45:45   nothing too terribly egregious it's it's [TS]

01:45:49   really running pretty darn well the [TS]

01:45:50   thing is I've had to pour way more money [TS]

01:45:53   into it than I think I should have had [TS]

01:45:55   to and that's the problem I have with it [TS]

01:45:57   this is in comparison to Aaron's Mazda [TS]

01:45:59   which you know I was happy to get rid of [TS]

01:46:01   but that thing we took delivery on her [TS]

01:46:04   birthday in 2007 2007 [TS]

01:46:07   so that was August of 2006 [TS]

01:46:09   and we got rid of it in July of 2017 and [TS]

01:46:13   I think we might have done an alternator [TS]

01:46:16   once and I think we did a battery and [TS]

01:46:18   other than that it was just like tires [TS]

01:46:20   and brakes and you know normal layer [TS]

01:46:22   items and so in ten years we put let's [TS]

01:46:25   let's get aggressive and let's say we [TS]

01:46:28   put like two grand of non wear item [TS]

01:46:32   worth of repair into that Mazda in ten [TS]

01:46:35   years and I did that in ten minutes one [TS]

01:46:38   high valve train exploded for the first [TS]

01:46:39   time you know you know what I mean so [TS]

01:46:41   it's it's hard because on the one side I [TS]

01:46:43   feel like oh this thing has been on the [TS]

01:46:46   whole reasonably reliable if you just [TS]

01:46:49   count all the times that it exploded for [TS]

01:46:51   a week you know as much as I am slightly [TS]

01:46:54   bothered by Doug do mere videos one [TS]

01:46:56   thing I have to admit that he has going [TS]

01:46:57   for miss he picks interesting cars to [TS]

01:46:59   review not the new ones obviously [TS]

01:47:00   because like whatever everyone's doing [TS]

01:47:01   fancy new cars or not even the exotic [TS]

01:47:04   ones but when he goes to older cars he [TS]

01:47:06   tends to pick cars the very least that [TS]

01:47:07   have some mean to me and most recent one [TS]

01:47:09   he did was the the the late 80s very [TS]

01:47:13   early 90s Mercedes s-class I saw that [TS]

01:47:16   that was a thing but I haven't I'm Way [TS]

01:47:18   behind on YouTube because I'm Way behind [TS]

01:47:19   on podcasts yeah my my friend's dad had [TS]

01:47:23   one of those that he bought used you [TS]

01:47:24   know he didn't buy it new he owned his [TS]

01:47:26   own business and he had some money but [TS]

01:47:28   not new Mercedes money but he had used [TS]

01:47:29   Mercedes money and I took a couple of [TS]

01:47:32   trips with his family in that car I [TS]

01:47:33   forgets where where I started to get [TS]

01:47:36   super impressed but Mercedes because the [TS]

01:47:38   even just being a passenger the [TS]

01:47:40   difference in every aspect of that car [TS]

01:47:42   from even from the fancy yuppie cars my [TS]

01:47:44   parents had like a series of Volvo's and [TS]

01:47:46   staufen and Honda's and before that a [TS]

01:47:49   bunch of American junk cars it was very [TS]

01:47:51   impressive so I I've just started that [TS]

01:47:53   video but it's really taking me back to [TS]

01:47:55   see like the switch gear on the aged [TS]

01:47:57   Mercedes and those those Mercedes I [TS]

01:48:00   meant there they're not sporty cars like [TS]

01:48:02   let's put it this way but they were just [TS]

01:48:04   they just felt so solid and every part [TS]

01:48:06   of it was so ridiculously over [TS]

01:48:07   engineered very very German in the best [TS]

01:48:11   possible way and I think sometimes I [TS]

01:48:13   think that you might be happier with a [TS]

01:48:15   older used car that you get cheaper that [TS]

01:48:18   you it's so old that you know you're [TS]

01:48:19   gonna be sinking money into it but you [TS]

01:48:21   pick it based on like [TS]

01:48:22   character or nostalgia or you know [TS]

01:48:24   something like that where you instead of [TS]

01:48:26   going for it has to be like modern super [TS]

01:48:29   fast like resign yourself to actually [TS]

01:48:31   getting a slow old card that has a lot [TS]

01:48:32   of character maybe that's what the [TS]

01:48:33   Wrangler is do I don't know and then [TS]

01:48:35   which case you should not buy a new [TS]

01:48:36   Rango you should buy a used one so the [TS]

01:48:39   the real answer to what you're [TS]

01:48:42   describing is I would kill almost [TS]

01:48:45   everyone I knew for an e39 m5 so this is [TS]

01:48:48   early 2000s its six-speed only v8 about [TS]

01:48:53   400 horsepower in the Millat of ways I [TS]

01:48:57   think that's the right answer because [TS]

01:48:58   they can be had for at last I looked [TS]

01:49:02   which is a long time ago between ten and [TS]

01:49:04   twenty thousand dollars for a reasonable [TS]

01:49:06   example that hasn't been too badly [TS]

01:49:08   obliterated but the thing is as they get [TS]

01:49:12   older and older and older they get more [TS]

01:49:14   and more and more finicky and thus [TS]

01:49:16   require more and more and more repairs [TS]

01:49:18   so now I'm trading a reasonably modern [TS]

01:49:20   BMW that's constantly in need of repair [TS]

01:49:23   for an older and more interesting BMW [TS]

01:49:25   that's constantly in need of repair so [TS]

01:49:28   in costs way less like just set aside [TS]

01:49:30   double the price of the car for repairs [TS]

01:49:34   and it still come out ahead versus [TS]

01:49:36   buying a brand new Mercedes at some [TS]

01:49:37   ridiculous price once you add all the [TS]

01:49:39   options in yeah like it like the price [TS]

01:49:42   of getting a car new is so much more [TS]

01:49:44   than maintaining an old one generally [TS]

01:49:47   speaking like if what your concern about [TS]

01:49:48   is total long term value [TS]

01:49:50   Jon's right well and that's why I bought [TS]

01:49:52   the BMW used is you know I suppose if [TS]

01:49:55   you balance the checkbook if you will we [TS]

01:49:58   could have afforded to buy a new 335 but [TS]

01:50:02   it would have been a financially unwise [TS]

01:50:05   decision to make and that's why you know [TS]

01:50:07   I saved like 15 grand off the sticker by [TS]

01:50:10   buying the car that I just told you was [TS]

01:50:12   delivered in December 2010 I bought it [TS]

01:50:13   in September 2012 and save like 15 grand [TS]

01:50:16   and the reason that I'm harping on new [TS]

01:50:19   cars for me because otherwise we're it [TS]

01:50:23   not for what I'm about to tell you I [TS]

01:50:24   would absolutely be looking at either [TS]

01:50:25   lightly used new ish cars or something [TS]

01:50:28   ancient like John's describing but the [TS]

01:50:31   problem I have is that I've gotten into [TS]

01:50:34   my brain for better or worse [TS]

01:50:35   I really really do not want to buy a car [TS]

01:50:38   that does not support carplay because to [TS]

01:50:40   my eyes that kind of future proofs the [TS]

01:50:43   infotainment in a way that my car can't [TS]

01:50:45   be and I can get updates RAM throat [TS]

01:50:47   Ament to some degree but it's never [TS]

01:50:49   gonna change the fact that it's like a [TS]

01:50:50   five pixel by five pixel display in that [TS]

01:50:53   it's got a terribly slow processor that [TS]

01:50:56   can't handle zooming like remember Marco [TS]

01:50:59   when we were in the m5 and assumed the [TS]

01:51:00   map maybe you zoom the map and I was [TS]

01:51:02   like wait wait wait [TS]

01:51:03   it actually zooms it doesn't just jump [TS]

01:51:05   between zoom levels it actually animates [TS]

01:51:08   the zoom and it blew my mind and so [TS]

01:51:10   because of that I gotten it in my brain [TS]

01:51:13   that I want something with carplay and [TS]

01:51:15   I'm pretty darn sure the Wrangler has it [TS]

01:51:18   I know the Golf R has it that's part of [TS]

01:51:21   the reason why that the sunroof or [TS]

01:51:23   reasons why I genuinely don't think [TS]

01:51:25   money no object I would have the Alfa [TS]

01:51:27   Romeo because it does not support car [TS]

01:51:29   play and the infotainment system was at [TS]

01:51:30   best mediocre and so once once you if [TS]

01:51:34   you look at my obnoxious requirements [TS]

01:51:36   like I'm the world's worst consulting [TS]

01:51:38   client right because I want three pedals [TS]

01:51:41   that go zero to 60 in five ish seconds [TS]

01:51:44   that's not front-wheel drive that [TS]

01:51:46   supports car play that has a sunroof [TS]

01:51:49   you know these requirements the only [TS]

01:51:51   thing and this comes back around what [TS]

01:51:53   Marco was saying pretty much the only [TS]

01:51:54   thing that meets all these requirements [TS]

01:51:55   is a brand new 340 but the other [TS]

01:51:58   requirement I have is not BMW so now [TS]

01:52:00   what your requirements are so defined by [TS]

01:52:03   your experience with the BMW though like [TS]

01:52:05   I'm saying like you know if you get an [TS]

01:52:07   older car forget about carplay just take [TS]

01:52:09   your phone get up get a phone thing that [TS]

01:52:11   clips into the vents and shove your [TS]

01:52:13   phone in the - there's your busy [TS]

01:52:14   navigation now it'll never go out of [TS]

01:52:16   date you keep buying new phones and [TS]

01:52:17   clipping them in the clip and then just [TS]

01:52:20   get a car with character that has some [TS]

01:52:21   sort of nostalgia value that you can get [TS]

01:52:23   cheap that you will put five thousand [TS]

01:52:25   dollars into every single year and it'll [TS]

01:52:26   just be your little hobby fun day and [TS]

01:52:28   there will be slow that'll be slower [TS]

01:52:29   than a Civic type-r or whatever but you [TS]

01:52:31   know just I don't know I don't know I [TS]

01:52:34   guess maybe the Mac Pro strategy is is [TS]

01:52:37   the thing to do and just keep on keeping [TS]

01:52:40   on until that thing really explodes her [TS]

01:52:41   good I mean very well maybe the thing [TS]

01:52:45   and actually it was funny because just [TS]

01:52:47   before we got on the [TS]

01:52:49   her phones tonight I was brushing my [TS]

01:52:51   teeth and I was thinking to myself you [TS]

01:52:52   know what if I really am serious about [TS]

01:52:55   this you know consulting or whatever you [TS]

01:52:58   know thing I want to do instead of a [TS]

01:53:00   job' job if I'm really serious about [TS]

01:53:02   this the number one thing changed I need [TS]

01:53:05   to make in my life is to not be telling [TS]

01:53:08   myself well you know you might be able [TS]

01:53:10   to swing a new card in 2018 the first [TS]

01:53:12   thing that needs to happen is I don't [TS]

01:53:14   drop a you know thousands upon thousands [TS]

01:53:16   of dollars on a new car even something [TS]

01:53:18   new to me [TS]

01:53:19   like I do not need to be getting [TS]

01:53:21   anything new and to your point John I [TS]

01:53:23   need to just drive my BMW until it falls [TS]

01:53:26   apart or at least at the very least [TS]

01:53:28   drive my BMW until I've proven to myself [TS]

01:53:29   that you know Casey listen corporated is [TS]

01:53:32   making money you know what I mean and [TS]

01:53:34   and that's not a bad thing that's that's [TS]

01:53:35   perfectly fine decision to make it's [TS]

01:53:38   just a less exciting decision to make [TS]

01:53:40   well but hey you know this is like this [TS]

01:53:42   is going to be a year of lots of changes [TS]

01:53:45   you know like even if you don't change [TS]

01:53:47   your job situation you still are gonna [TS]

01:53:50   have a second kid in like three minutes [TS]

01:53:51   and so that's gonna be a huge massive [TS]

01:53:55   change in addition to just all of the [TS]

01:53:58   you know developmental stages and things [TS]

01:54:00   that Declan is going through during this [TS]

01:54:01   time so like you're gonna have a big [TS]

01:54:04   change this year you might be you know [TS]

01:54:06   in many ways this might be a bad time to [TS]

01:54:08   buy a new car because you're just too [TS]

01:54:11   busy with other stuff you know like yeah [TS]

01:54:13   buying a car especially for somebody [TS]

01:54:15   like you cares about it is a time [TS]

01:54:17   consuming endeavor as you know because [TS]

01:54:19   you just bought the Volvo like you know [TS]

01:54:21   two weeks ago or whatever like you know [TS]

01:54:23   you know how much time it consumes to go [TS]

01:54:25   through that process you also therefore [TS]

01:54:28   can probably see like even if money [TS]

01:54:31   wasn't the problem [TS]

01:54:32   it's still not probably a good idea to [TS]

01:54:36   for for you car nerd Casey who cares a [TS]

01:54:39   lot about things to embark on this on on [TS]

01:54:42   that kind of mission right now [TS]

01:54:44   you know like can we get this straight [TS]

01:54:46   starting a consulting business good time [TS]

01:54:48   buying a car and no you do this honestly [TS]

01:54:51   yeah because look your your job stuff is [TS]

01:54:54   going through a bunch of transitions [TS]

01:54:56   regardless because you have this time [TS]

01:54:58   off and then and you have this new [TS]

01:55:00   person that they hired whatever [TS]

01:55:02   that you know so like you have like you [TS]

01:55:04   know training and time off and then [TS]

01:55:05   you're gonna have to go back and get [TS]

01:55:07   plunged into the deep end of oh my god [TS]

01:55:10   I'm back to work again in two months or [TS]

01:55:12   whatever and that's going to suck [TS]

01:55:15   completely you no matter how happy you [TS]

01:55:17   are with that job and how happy they are [TS]

01:55:18   with you that's gonna be a massive [TS]

01:55:20   transition to jump from from basically [TS]

01:55:23   from like you know paternity leave [TS]

01:55:24   full-time dad at home to still having to [TS]

01:55:28   be full-time dad at home and also then [TS]

01:55:31   jumping back into work like that's a [TS]

01:55:33   huge transition so it's going to be a [TS]

01:55:37   very busy spring for you even if you [TS]

01:55:40   don't go back to like even if you don't [TS]

01:55:42   do consulting instead of going back to [TS]

01:55:44   work it's still gonna be a very busy [TS]

01:55:46   spring for you so it's only a question [TS]

01:55:49   of you know you know which which of [TS]

01:55:51   these busy paths you take but to add on [TS]

01:55:53   top of that buying a new car as a car [TS]

01:55:56   enthusiast I I don't think it's a good [TS]

01:55:57   time for that [TS]

01:55:58   well I see both sides of this right [TS]

01:55:59   because part of the reason that took us [TS]

01:56:01   forever to buy the Volvo is because we [TS]

01:56:03   were trying to extract the the lowest [TS]

01:56:06   possible price that we could achieve [TS]

01:56:07   from several different dealers in [TS]

01:56:10   several different states right but if I [TS]

01:56:13   and that's partially because the Volvo [TS]

01:56:14   was if I'm honest a little outside the [TS]

01:56:16   price that we were willing to pay but we [TS]

01:56:18   were you know reaching just like you [TS]

01:56:20   know first-time home buyer or at least [TS]

01:56:21   this was my experience when we bought [TS]

01:56:23   the house were in now you know we found [TS]

01:56:26   it even despite the fact that it was [TS]

01:56:27   more expensive than we told ourselves we [TS]

01:56:29   would we would be willing to pay but [TS]

01:56:31   anyways I think if I really was [TS]

01:56:35   hell-bent on buying a car and I had [TS]

01:56:40   carte blanche from Erin to do it which I [TS]

01:56:43   think you know if I looked at her and [TS]

01:56:44   said no really it's time I need to get [TS]

01:56:46   one I don't think she would really be [TS]

01:56:48   opposed to it but anyways if I think [TS]

01:56:50   within a day or at most a weekend I [TS]

01:56:52   could drive the three to six cars I [TS]

01:56:55   would like to drive to try them out to [TS]

01:56:58   see what I think and if I'm not nickel [TS]

01:57:00   and diming the dealer to death of the [TS]

01:57:02   over every little thing I think I could [TS]

01:57:05   have it done in a weekend like I [TS]

01:57:07   understand what you're saying Marko when [TS]

01:57:08   the typical case the approach is to [TS]

01:57:09   nickel and diamond to email every dealer [TS]

01:57:11   in a three to five state radius and say [TS]

01:57:14   this is what I want and what's the best [TS]

01:57:15   price [TS]

01:57:15   so you can give and then argue with them [TS]

01:57:17   when they inevitably don't tell me the [TS]

01:57:18   best price they can give because they're [TS]

01:57:20   incentivized not to tell me the best [TS]

01:57:21   best price even beyond that there's the [TS]

01:57:24   research beforehand there's all the [TS]

01:57:26   thinking and reading and stuff you're [TS]

01:57:28   doing beforehand I want to see what [TS]

01:57:30   anyway that's true but like there's all [TS]

01:57:31   that then even you know it's then you [TS]

01:57:34   get the car then you have to do [TS]

01:57:35   registrations and license you have to [TS]

01:57:41   like change or activate about the new [TS]

01:57:43   car about you know your various like [TS]

01:57:45   there's a lot of overhead to it and and [TS]

01:57:48   you know if you're gonna be spending a [TS]

01:57:50   lot of overhead in the next few months [TS]

01:57:53   oh it's something I think priority one [TS]

01:57:56   is baby priority two is declan priority [TS]

01:57:59   three is errand priority for is yourself [TS]

01:58:01   and then priority five is job situation [TS]

01:58:04   and you know that may be priority like [TS]

01:58:06   eleven is oh I kinda want a new car also [TS]

01:58:08   like this is such a weird time to do [TS]

01:58:11   that like you know it's just not yeah [TS]

01:58:14   that's not good yeah I know John even [TS]

01:58:16   quiet what are you thinking I'm thinking [TS]

01:58:18   you should go to bed all that restful [TS]

01:58:21   sleep that you're gonna get get to sleep [TS]

01:58:23   while you can huh oh yeah I was saying I [TS]

01:58:26   think you're probably not gonna get a [TS]

01:58:27   lot of sleep it's bad [TS]

01:58:28   yeah well I guess we're gonna lose this [TS]

01:58:32   like I guess I guess you're not gonna [TS]

01:58:34   have a baby on the air let's pick some [TS]

01:58:36   titles it's throwing enough time oh god [TS]

01:58:37   Bless America right would it be [TS]

01:58:40   insensitive for me like if Erin ran in [TS]

01:58:42   to say this is time would it be [TS]

01:58:44   insensitive of me to ask you to please [TS]

01:58:45   put your file and Dropbox before you go [TS]

01:58:48   actually yes because I'm gonna bring my [TS]

01:58:51   my adorable with me and and as you both [TS]

01:58:54   well know and she's uh you know series [TS]

01:58:59   doing the hard work of birthing a baby [TS]

01:59:01   he'll be sitting there tapping away on [TS]

01:59:02   his laptop how's it going over there [TS]

01:59:05   no I'm serious I am waiting for you yeah [TS]

01:59:08   I had my computer with me when I when [TS]

01:59:12   Declan was born and up until the like [TS]

01:59:14   the the overnight when he was born you [TS]

01:59:17   know like I said earlier he was born at [TS]

01:59:18   like 5:00 in the morning up until that [TS]

01:59:20   overnight portion she was basically just [TS]

01:59:22   waiting around getting what's the drug [TS]

01:59:24   that makes the that they use for [TS]

01:59:26   induction cytosin [TS]

01:59:27   but thank you yes you know she was [TS]

01:59:29   getting her potatoes [TS]

01:59:29   and rapport whatever and just kind of [TS]

01:59:31   waiting like there was it took forever [TS]

01:59:33   to get to the point that it was you know [TS]

01:59:34   all hands on deck this is it and so I [TS]

01:59:36   had a computer I don't remember what we [TS]

01:59:39   were doing but I definitely had some [TS]

01:59:41   down time in fact when I he should have [TS]

01:59:43   seen Aaron's face when I asked her where [TS]

01:59:44   my switch was and I told her it was [TS]

01:59:46   because I wanted to bring it so we could [TS]

01:59:47   play Mario Kart together not find that [TS]

01:59:50   funny at all I thought it was hilarious [TS]

01:59:52   but in I was also serious but she did [TS]

01:59:54   not see the humor in it at all [TS]

01:59:55   and you're gonna bring the switch you [TS]

01:59:58   gotta at least bring a pro controller [TS]

01:59:58   gotta at least bring a pro controller [TS]

02:00:00   her so she's comfortable while using it [TS]

02:00:01   right I mean I will I was debating [TS]

02:00:05   bringing the doc but I won't but I will [TS]

02:00:07   have a HDMI adapter in the room why not [TS]

02:00:12   okay he's got a whole little setup over [TS]

02:00:14   there he's got snacks he's got a switch [TS]

02:00:15   she's got a little TV setup he's got a [TS]

02:00:18   fan blowing on them you bring like a [TS]

02:00:20   dorm fridge like we have snacks packed [TS]

02:00:23   don't even worry sir at the birthing tub [TS]

02:00:26   is for your wife I've actually I've been [TS]

02:00:32   I've been trying to get the most recent [TS]

02:00:35   episode of this is us on to my adorable [TS]

02:00:38   so we so the two of us can watch that [TS]

02:00:39   while she's just sitting there waiting [TS]

02:00:41   for things to happen but anyway this is [TS]

02:00:46   some degree because she knows how Declan [TS]

02:00:48   went and she knows that there was a lot [TS]

02:00:50   of sitting and waiting but here again [TS]

02:00:52   there's Tina's second no Tina and John's [TS]

02:00:54   second birth where it's like oh you sure [TS]

02:00:56   you're gonna be doing a lot of sitting [TS]

02:00:57   and waiting cuz I mean it'll almost [TS]

02:01:00   surely go faster than the first but how [TS]

02:01:02   much faster who knows it's half the time [TS]

02:01:03   it's so many many hours right exactly [TS]

02:01:06   exactly anyway we should do titles I've [TS]

02:01:08   my pick is a roar threshold for pain [TS]

02:01:10   in honor of air [TS]