The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I've got a problem oh yeah having [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► uncomfortable thoughts about jeep [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► wranglers oh you just need to come up [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► here where it's cold and it'll convince [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► you not to buy he got only half a car [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► it's like thirty degrees here and [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► snowing right now I don't wanna hear [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► your lip about how we don't have winter [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► you just want to be driving around with [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► no roof and no doors no roof no doors no [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► stability no quality no safety yeah [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► definitely no safety it's got a roll [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► cage for chrissakes how you gonna tell [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► me no safe yeah so if you get t-boned in [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► that I'm sure the roll cage will save [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► you the doors well oh wait yeah there's [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► a reason they had to add a roll cage [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► because it rolls over if you like [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► breathe on funny oh come on that's what [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► stability controls for this computer [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► solve us from physics anyway I want it I [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► think I want a Wrangler and that's [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► probably a problem nate'd let her go far [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► so save me for myself of all the [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► vehicles that you have lusted after for [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► a week here and there I think a Wrangler [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► is actually one of the less offensive [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► ones it's pretty offensive it's still [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► not a good vehicle it's either that or [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► go far so John what would you have me [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► have between a Wrangler and a Golf R [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► easy go hard no contest yeah if though [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► if those are your choices I'd go with [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► John on that yeah those are the only two [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► choices it's not it's not a choice at [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► all I mean a Wrangler I think is a [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► better choice than your weird Cadillac [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► rectangle thing and your SUV dreams but [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► I don't I think I think the Cadillac is [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► better than the Wrangler to like I'm [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► trying to think of a worse car and all [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► I'm coming up with is one of those giant [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► four-door luxury pickup trucks yeah well [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► but at least those have a little more [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► function than a Wrangler no it's about [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► the same they're both they're both [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► ridiculous things also if it's just that [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► reminds me demure oh did a review of [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► what was it the g65 an AMG G 65 I think [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► that's right I might have that wrong so [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► it's a twin-turbo v12 G Wagon and I [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► believe it's pronounced wagon [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► so we did a video on the guoguan and he [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► got it gets better every time I say it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► he did a video on the guoguan and he [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► hated it okay so fine [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► all right so how about this I I don't [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► have the money for a [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► Quadrifoglio but how about that or Golf [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► R or Wrangler what would you have John [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► Quadrifoglio of the go far even though [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► it's uglier [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► I seen him in real life now I saw a [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► white one the other day and I thought of [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► you I say it does not look good in white [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► holy shit it doesn't look good in any [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► color but like this I've seen enough now [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► that I know it's not just like oh maybe [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► it looks weird in pictures but it looks [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► good in person I don't like it anywhere [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► I don't like pictures and I like it in a [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► box I don't like it with a fox John I [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► love you but you are so wrong about this [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► no I just don't like how that car looks [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► but it's a good car if for while it's [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► working [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► we don't even know maybe like the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► reliability could be fine it's too new [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► like this is the new Alpha but we'll say [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► no it's not look here's a here's your [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► new rule if you're going to get [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► something fun and fast unless it is made [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► by a Japanese company Lisa yeah well [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► what is fun and fast it's made by [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► Japanese company that's also at least [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► mildly affordable so like the Toyota [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► burro would be it's not that it's not [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► fast you know you got a GTR which is too [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► much money and that's it that's all you [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► got maybe NSX is fun and fast it's [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► unaffordable it wasn't one of your [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► criteria just you're gonna lease it [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► you're at least least the NSX it'll be [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► come on alright let's say even though [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► this is over my budget let's say for the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► sake of discussion 50 grand [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► so for 50 grand what do you get that's [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► Japanese fun and fast I rest my case I [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► take in Miata fast fun hard fast [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► I mean look a Wrangler is not fast [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► either but it but you you find fun for [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► other reasons [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► to me a Miata would would be a better [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► version of that and plenty fun yeah [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► that's a good midlife crisis car for you [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► after your second child is is in third [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► grade but no I'm serious so I mean my [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► options are Civic type-r which means I [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► would need to install a paper bag in the [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► car to wear over my head every time I [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► drove it no they won't let you buy one [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► you're over 25 I've heard the type r is [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► phenomenal to drive but it is so [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► unabashedly truly hideous to look at you [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► get it in black maybe try to hide all [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the wings and ducks and scoop [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► that's the answers just take the wing [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► off like do a wing delete if you will [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► it's all wing there is do you think the [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► wing off they just left with the chassis [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► that's it the entire body that car is a [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► wing or a scoop there I would imagine [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► there must be some kind of like like you [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► know marketing differentiation here at [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► work we're like they have to make the [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► Civic are so hideous that it won't [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► detract from sales of the NSX from older [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► people with taste maybe but the regular [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► Civic is kind of gross to like I think [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► they just had a styling a styling fart [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► on this whole generation great [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► generation of civics like ever they're [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► getting great reviews people say they're [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► great cars yeah so much so that a lot of [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► the best parts of them are showing up in [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► the Accord but the styling isn't as [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► rough styling is rough [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► I mean if you think about all kidding [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► aside I mean you can get a Wrangler spec [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► to like 40 or 45 grand or something like [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► that which is truly absurd you can get a [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► Wrangler spec before I would never [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► getting into the pickup truck territory [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► Jeep Wrangler great that makes perfect [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► sense [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► good job I wonder how I thought I was [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► trying to move on now brought myself [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► right someone the Chairman even pointed [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► out like the Wrangler with like leather [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► straps for door handles but but [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► television screens on the backs of the [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► seats like that is a car that has lost [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► its way weight honest question are the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► back seats in a Wrangler like or is [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► there actually enough depth there that [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► is where you got to keep your 17 friends [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► but you go surfing Wow they go in the [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► back seats quote-unquote their seats [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► even in the coop their seats [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► no front seats aren't seats is like you [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► know a bunch of boards with it with a [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► piece of vinyl stretched across it when [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► was the last time you were in a Wrangler [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► John I'm so over you right now so anyone [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► ever really entering or they just on it [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► why do you do this to me why do this why [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► you so mean [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► see nobody everyone see here we talk [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► about fancy snow tires on my fancy Tesla [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► but everybody wants to hear you talk [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► about your terrible car ideas of getting [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► this cheap crappy car I have like an [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► intervention of Casey Casey's like two [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► suggestible when it comes to like his he [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► has like a car shaped hole in his life [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► maybe this will fill it and [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► and just anything like Jeep Wrangler [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► like this yeah and so I don't know just [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► like he runs across the wrong ad or the [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► wrong YouTube video and just like you [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► know I should get a Winnebago next thing [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► is gonna be like why not he just saw our [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► house to afford it my parents briefly [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► had like a little tiny which calm RV and [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► I am still a little upset that they got [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► rid of it [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► I was joking but there it is yep that's [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► that's the seed that and that seed will [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► grow in your mind until maybe three [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► years from now twenty one thousand forty [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► one thousand two hundred thirty-five [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► dollars for new Wrangler holy schnikeys [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► what just why at that point why that [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► there are so many better things in every [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► way tell me what tell me what for okay [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► to Honda Civics I would rather drive to [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► mondo civics than then around like one [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► to one in a different color like you [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► know just alternate the excitement of [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► having two cars that you rotate raid one [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► for cars if one car has a repair it's so [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► much less than if one you could drive [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► both of them to the ocean at the same [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► time I don't think I would need to go [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that quite them you've never actually [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► need to go apparently the magic keyboard [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► with numeric keypad is bendy and I guess [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► that's something we're supposed to be [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► upset by because I tell you what when I [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► get a new keyboard the first thing I do [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► is a bend test to make sure it's not [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► bendy no not not bendy you didn't read [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► the link [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► no not bendy like if you put it in your [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► pocket and sit on it it'll Bend like an [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► iPhone 6 but there's two kinds of [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► reports one kind is I open up the box on [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► my brand-new magic keyboard with a [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► numeric keypad which is a hell of a [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► product name I don't know if that's the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► official name but you know what I'm [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► talking about and I took it out of the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► box and put it down on the desk in front [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► of me and it's bent like it's warped it [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► wobbles like you know what I mean so [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► that's that's no good that's just like [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► you know manufacturing defect or sure [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► maybe it got bent in transport or [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► something like that but the second [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► strain of this kind of story is I got a [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► new magic keyboard take it out of the [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► box with [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► typed on it for a week and apparently [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► the force of my typing bent it in the [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► middle if you're gonna put only little [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► pads or feet on four corners or very [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► long keyboard and it's so thin that it [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► bends in the middle from the force of [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► typing that is a pretty big failure for [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► the functionality of a keyboard now your [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► beloved magic keyboard that you have [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► without a numeric keyboard and maybe is [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► has a short enough wheelbase so to speak [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► that having little feets on the corners [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► doesn't make it bend in the middle or [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► maybe you should just not look at your [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► keyboard to see if it's bent in the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► middle but anyway we'll link to this MJ [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► size web page that has a collection of [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► all of this information I don't know if [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► it's a manufacturing defect kind of [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► makes me feel better it's like oh [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► they'll fix the manufacturing defect but [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► if it was actually the case that the [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► mere act of typing on the keyboard bends [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► it that's that's pretty bad we are [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► sponsored this week by fracture who [TS]

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00:09:47 ◼   ► you should get photos printed sometimes [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► because they not only do they make great [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► gifts but even just for yourself they [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► help you keep those memories alive they [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► help help you capture those moments and [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► keep them around keep you seeing them [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► because otherwise they fall off your [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► Instagram timeline or your Facebook [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► River or whatever it's called and you [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► never see them again [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► and so with actual photo prints you can [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► have these physical objects representing [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► these memories in your life and they are [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► just wonderful fracture prints are these [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► edge-to-edge prints on pieces of glass [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► you don't need to frame them and they're [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► lightweight they're very thin pieces of [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► glass so you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► like this giant heavy thing like falling [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► off the wall and crashing down like that [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► that never happens that they're they're [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► way too lightweight for that it's just [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► these wonderful practical and very nice [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► looking glass prints of your photos and [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► they make fantastic gifts especially now [TS]

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00:10:40 ◼   ► they around the holidays can [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► occasionally get backed up so you want [TS]

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00:10:46 ◼   ► because you're running out of time [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► really get those orders in now so that [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► these these wonderful people in Florida [TS]

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00:10:55 ◼   ► it comes with everything you need right [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► in the box there's a money-back [TS]

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00:10:59 ◼   ► never seen anything go wrong [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► fracture prints are great they make [TS]

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00:11:13 ◼   ► thank you so much to fracture for [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► sponsoring our show let's do a little [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► bit of ask ATP Paige Hilliard writes in [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► is there any way the three of you could [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► come up with a list of realistic things [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► that you would like to have as holiday [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► gifts even if some of you already have [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► them helpful hints would be greatly [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► appreciated and potentially opening up [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► your website to sell t-shirts or gear [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► year-round would be even more [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► appreciated so the bad news is is that [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► Paige's spouse or or what-have-you is [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► protect probably going to be listening [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► to the show and so Paige now you can't [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► use any of these ideas because we're now [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► giving them away however you assume we [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► have useful ideas that's also fair I was [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► thinking about this on and off most of [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► today I try to every year and I did not [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► do it this year I tried it every year do [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► a like holiday roundup of here's a bunch [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► of different gifts that I recommend at [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► all sorts of different price points and [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► so I'll put in the show notes the last [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► couple of years of these posts and [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► they're just stuff I like sometimes it's [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► boardgame sometimes it's stupid lights [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like cables or something dumb like that [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► but this year I didn't do it mostly [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► because I didn't feel like I had that [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► many new and interesting ideas so I'm [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► missing out on that sweet sweet [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► affiliate money but my priority is to do [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► a post that I think is useful before it [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► is make a few bucks on affiliate money [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► so that's why I didn't write it the only [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► thing I can come up with that I think is [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► useful is for those of us with new [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► phones a Qi charger seems like a pretty [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► good answer now you would have to figure [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► out would would your partner want a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► stand up Qi charger safer at a desk or [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► would they want ace a lay down Qi [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► charger safer like at a nightstand but [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► that seems to me to be a pretty good [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► option and a pretty safe option for [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► anyone that has an iPhone 8 or newer I [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► have a hard time with this because I am [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► very hard to shop for as everyone in my [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► family always complains about [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► right around this time of year and when [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► I do think of something that I actually [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► want I just buy it immediately and don't [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► give anyone else a chance to buy it for [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► me or sometimes the things that I want [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► are too expensive that I would feel [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► comfortable asking for as a gift so it's [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► it's kind of a hard topic especially [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► because we don't know anything about [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► this person really it's so it's you know [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► like if they like coffee I can tell you [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► lots of coffee gear that that could be [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► useful I've written up on my side a few [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► times so yeah like Casey I didn't do [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► anything with any kind of gift guide [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► this year but you know coffee equipment [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► kitchen equipment in general you know it [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► for whatever they like to do that's [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► always you know interesting gift ideas [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► but it's really hard without knowing [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► anything else I can think of like you [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► know kind of a Greatest Hits kind of [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► thing like just stuff that everyone [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► seems to enjoy and certain kitchen [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► gadgets fit this requirement I think [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► pretty well certain ones are things like [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► having like a really nice pair of gloves [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► for the winter is always like good for [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► Christmas I enjoy having a really nice [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► flashlight the there's a line of [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► flashlights by the brand Phoenix with an [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► F F VIII and IX that I really enjoy that [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► just use like two double-a batteries and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► you can get smaller bigger ones with the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► two double-a ones I think are the best [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► size to weight balance they're super [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► nice LED flashlights that's just kind of [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like a pleasant thing to have around [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► your mention of the Qi charging mats is [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► really good the Mophie one that the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► Apple store sells is excellent I sure [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► had a few other ones now I actually just [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► got in the Grove made one those just [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► came today I have not yet actually used [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► it beyond just five seconds to test it [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► out because it's it's gonna be my [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► nightstand charger and I haven't got a [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► bed yet so but it looks really nice and [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► it's very well built it's pretty big [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► but but pretty well built pretty nice [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► and yeah just you know the I mean [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► there's all sorts of stuff like you know [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► I like having a really nice backpack I [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► have I have a backpack from Briggs & [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► Riley which is a fancy luggage company [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► they make fantastic luggage which is why [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► I got their backpack and I just love [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► that it's just it's so delightful to [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► have that any kind of you know like [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► certain people myself included like [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► having nice leather goods [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► so like you know like a leather laptop [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► case maybe something like that like that [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► that kind of stuff you know but I mean [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► this this stuff this is so like kind of [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► general purpose [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► I like having really good travel mugs [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► zojirushi makes a really nice travel mug [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► that I really really like yeah I I don't [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► really know it's it's really hard to [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► know like how to be more specific than [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► this but those are all nice things yeah [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► you know hearing you talk gave me a [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► couple of other ideas one of the best [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► investments I've ever ever ever made was [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► what I call my go pack which is really [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► just a collection of cables and whatnot [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► that are basically duplicates of [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► anything I would need to charge any of [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► my devices and a couple other [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► miscellaneous bits so you know if I ever [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► go overnight anywhere I just grabbed [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► this bag that has all of my chargers in [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► it always they never ever leave that bag [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► unless they're you know in a hotel being [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► used or whatever and I don't have to you [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► know remove my entire installation from [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► my bedside table or anything like that [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► pack it up and then reassemble it when I [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► get back home it is just everything in [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► duplicate and I've written a couple of [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► log posts about that and so I'll put a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► link to that in the show notes it can [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► get pretty spendy depending on what you [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► want I think I've spent like 200 bucks [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► on mine and I'm not talking about the [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► bag itself I'm talking about all the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► bits inside but I have a couple of [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► fairly expensive things that I find very [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► useful that most normal humans probably [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► wouldn't and then additionally hearing [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► you talk about your did you say Briggs & [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► Riley umm backpack I happen to adore [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► anything that Tom bin makes that's T OMB [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► IH n it's maybe a little late to order [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► it for this holiday season unless you [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► are on the west coast because they're [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► Seattle based but pretty much anything [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► Tom Ben makes I adore and I highly [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► recommend that as much as Marko seems to [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► highly recommend Briggs & Riley as well [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► so just a couple of quick thoughts that [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► Marco made me think of before [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► one more thing also I came up with [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► something more specific in the kitchen [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► category I have gotten as gifts for [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► other people in the past my favorite [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► kitchen thermometer which is the thermo [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► works thermapen mark 4 if you have any [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► need for a kitchen thermometer and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► if you ever do anything in the kitchen [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► ever you do even if you don't think you [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► need one you need one and once you have [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► one you will use it for lots of things [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► every kitchen should have a thermometer [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► and a scale and the scale you can get [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► pretty much any cheap garbage it doesn't [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► really matter the thermometer they [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► actually matter quite a bit there's [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► pretty big variations in quality and [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► accuracy and speed and everything else [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► what you want is the thermapen mark for [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► from thermo works it runs about 70 bucks [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► usually when if you find a good sale I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► think it's about 90 if it's not on sale [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► this is the one like if you see like on [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► Top Chef if you ever see anybody using a [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► kitchen thermometer it is probably this [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► one there's a reason for that [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► it's awesome this is like the I was [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► gonna say the Cadillac of thermometers [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► but Cadillac aren't that great anymore [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► are they this is this is the Tesla of [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► thermometers like this it's great [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► generally and like you know I mentioned [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► Phoenix earlier with the LED flashlight [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► thing and those are like 50 bucks you [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► know so these aren't cheap but it's [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► really nice when if you're the kind of [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► person who values quality and nice [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► things but almost everyone is about [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► something you know it might not be about [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► the same things that you or I are but [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► almost everyone can appreciate quality [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► in something and it's really nice when [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► you can find something like this in a [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► category where like pretty much [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► everything else in the category is kind [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► of mediocre garbage and if you can [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► figure out what's like the one really [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► awesome thing in that category even if [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it's a little bit ridiculously priced [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► that kind of thing makes a good gift [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► because the kind of thing we're like [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► people who receive it can probably [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► appreciate something really awesome like [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► that but because it's expensive and or [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► obscure they might not ever know about [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► it or they might not feel justified [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► spending a price for it so that's the [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► perfect kind of thing that makes a great [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► gift is like I wouldn't have bought this [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► for myself [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► but I really appreciate having it yeah I [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► do agree that that is one of the best [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► gifts the oh man this is great but I'm [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► so glad I didn't spend them honey huh [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► that is that is the sweet spot John [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► we've delayed you far too long what are [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► your thoughts I reject the premise of [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► this question which is that we should we [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► should list things that we like because [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► people who listen to the show like the [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► same things that we like I mean we can [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► try to list things that we like [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► even if we already have them like that [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► is one task but the the second part of [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► this is for those of us who are [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► partnered with a TV fans the idea being [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► that if we list things that we like that [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► people who like the show will also like [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► those same things and I don't think [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► that's true like just because we like [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► that means we like them everyone who [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► listens the show is not like us [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► hopefully so oh yeah and also I'm [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► terrible giving gift so even if I had a [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► good ideas for gifts that wouldn't [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► listen to me so that's very helpful [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► thank you John yeah and I put this [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► question in there and I basically put it [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► in just to say can you come up with a [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► list of but and the answer for me is no [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► I can't I cannot do that because I don't [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► think I should I don't think it makes [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► sense and even if it was phrased so it [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► does make sense I'm bad at that so I'm [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► glad YouTube filled in page just like [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► you and your partner know that Marco and [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► I are your favorites and John is my and [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► it too aspect what do you ask for I'm [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► not as bad as Marco in that I don't [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► immediately buy everything that I want [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► but when people ask me what they should [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► get me my answer is always nothing which [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► is probably the worst thing you can say [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► if someone wants to get you a gift so [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► I'm just terrible all around when it [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► comes to gift stuff yeah honestly I [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► would love to get to the point with the [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► family where like like maybe we just get [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► gifts for the kids right like that's [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► that seems like a better way to do it [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► but which say this is I think this is [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► the kind of like many adults wanted this [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► outcome but it's very hard to get [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► families to agree to that we're getting [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► close like we should have like a big [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► family map of like how far like we've [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► we've successfully spread the only gifts [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► for kids name we've done pretty fun [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► alright moving on [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► rob Fiorentino writes how do you feel [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► about your code or your apps after you [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► have written them are they more like [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► your children or your tools out in the [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► shed I will speak for myself and say any [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► code that I've written more than three [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► days ago is always garbage and any code [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► I've written in the last three days is [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► often garbage John I'm not sure like [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► with the children or tools thing I'm not [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► sure like what what Rob is getting at [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► there you can take a lots of different [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► ways like you know tools in your shed or [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► children like I don't know anyway I'll [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► just tell you how I feel about my code [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► because I don't understand that part of [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► it I think he's just saying you know is [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► it is it disposable and you're like yeah [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► whatever or is it oh this is my creation [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► that I've laid [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► for and it is perfect in every possible [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► way I mean like you said Casey it really [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► depends on the time line sometimes you [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► write code and as soon as you've done [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► writing it you just hate it but it's [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► like you just got to do what you got to [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► do cuz it's work right [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► other times you're you can be mildly [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► satisfied with it but there is I there's [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► really no such thing as far as I'm [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► concerned as code that I write that I [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► can look back on the long term and not [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► see all the terrible problems with like [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► a couple years down the line no matter [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► how incredibly happy you are with [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► something you I will I always do see [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► what's really wrong with it it you know [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► if only because if that code lives on [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► like if it's if you're aware of its [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► existence it probably means that it's [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► still in use which means that it has to [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► be modified to account for you know the [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► changes of reality like you know things [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► change and you have to modify an augment [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► your code to do new things and [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► inevitably you get to the point where [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you are modifying your code in ways that [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► you do not anticipate when you wrote it [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► and nothing makes code uglier it makes [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► you more annoyed with it then more than [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► trying to change it in ways that it [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► wasn't meant to be changed like you [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► never thought things would change along [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► this axis you always thought this [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► bedrock assumption would be true when [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► the entire system was built around it [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► then that bedrock assumption is not true [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► and you're like oh god do I read the [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► whole thing how can I change it is it [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► too much like and then so you just feel [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► bad about it so it's mostly the more [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► time goes on and the more it has to [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► change the more bad I feel about it [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► Marko pretty much all my old code I look [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► at it as yeah this this is just garbage [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► and it's a burden like I I love deleting [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► code I love when a library comes around [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► that removes the need for some code I've [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► written I can just delete my code and [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► use the library or you know new API is [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► from Apple one those come and stuff like [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► I I code to accomplish something else [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► like I code to build a product the [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► actual code I take very little joy in [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► like is it beautiful or I'll [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► or interesting or clever like I don't I [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► take no joy in any of that so I write [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► code and immediately even as I'm writing [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► it I'm like oh god I don't want to have [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► to maintain this I don't like I don't [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► want to have to do this crazy thing like [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► but it's all to accomplish the end so [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► basically immediately after my code is [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► written I don't like it and I just try [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► to move on if I can yeah I mean I gave a [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► slightly Starkie answered and saying [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► everything I've written I hate and that [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► is only slightly snarky do you feel that [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► most of the time but all kidding aside [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► in my entire career and I've been doing [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► this for jeez like 13 years now I think [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► there have been maybe probably five or [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► less like blocks of code I don't mean [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► that is like five lines I mean like like [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► projects maybe it's a better way of [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► phrasing if they've been like five or [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► less projects wherein I've written some [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► code and thoughts myself you know what [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► that was really solid and I did [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► something really good and/or clever [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► there and usually clever is bad when it [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► comes to code but occasionally I'm good [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► and and so I think all kidding aside [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► probably five times the last my career [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► I've looked back and said that was that [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► was good work everything else is either [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► well it didn't immediately turn into a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► fireball so I consider that you know [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► that no one else is telling him to [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► change to you know change his product in [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► ways that he didn't anticipate it [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► changing because he's the one who [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► decides how it's going to change him and [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► if anyone has any kind of idea how it [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► might change in the future it's him [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► because he's gonna be and it's not like [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► he's saying he predicts everything but [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► you never have he never has someone [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► coming and saying you should add this [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► feature that is that flies in the face [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► of your entire internal design of your [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► application even if he has the notion to [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► do that he's not forced to do it on an [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► abbreviated timeline or like all sorts [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► of like the pressures of the real job [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► that forces you to do things chef when [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► the iPhone 10s coming out and you got to [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► make the release yeah yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► right but but does that's that's like [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► that's more like just that's that's what [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► the entire job is is using someone [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► else's api's you know you don't write [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► UIKit you rolling with the punches of [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► apple's platform you're writing on top [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► of a platform is everyone has that same [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► thing if you're writing you know [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► whatever you're writing on top of a [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► framework and that framework changes and [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► you gotta you know roll with those [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► punches too like but I'm saying for like [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► the things that your actual product does [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► so I think it makes you feel worse when [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► you have to change your thing in a way [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► that it was never meant to be changed [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► and you have to do it ASAP [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► and you know whether you think it's a [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► good idea or not it has to happen that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► does like the worst damage to even even [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► code that you that you feel like you [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► know was was arranged in a reasonable [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► way and designed in a reasonable way you [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► have to go in there and basically like [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► injure it and scarred and make it uglier [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► and just makes you want to just never [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► look at it again and tear it all down [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► and start over and you know I know those [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► feels all too well now one of my [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► favorite pastimes on the show is to bag [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► on Marco for not having a job however in [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► Marco's defense I have to stand up for [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► Marco on this one I feel like just in [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► the last few days Marco and I don't know [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► how much of this you want to talk about [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► on the show so I'm gonna be a little [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► cagey about it but just in the last few [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► days you had maybe not an emergency but [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► a oh crap moment where some external [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► force forced you to do a whole bunch of [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► things and write a whole bunch of code [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► that it seems like you if you were [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► planning on doing it at all it was going [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► to be long in the future and so I do [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► think John you're you're usually right [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► but it just so happens that it seems [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► like Marco you've just gone through this [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► recently so how do you feel about that [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► code whether or not you want to discuss [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the motivations behind it I'm happy to [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► talk about it so the cook you're [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► referring to is overcast handling [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► permanent feed redirects or feed changes [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► for podcasts basically the way I built [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► the overcast crawling infrastructure and [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► database is that feeds have feeds are [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► keyed uniquely on URLs so that every [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► every feet and feeds map one-to-one to [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► URLs and those URLs really can't or it [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► shouldn't change in the feed like if you [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► have a new URL gets a new feed entry and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► then episodes are represented as feed [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► items and feed items are keyed based on [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► their feed [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► plus then like you know a bunch of [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► random numbers based on like you know [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► hashing their contents and then their [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► GUI D and stuff and so once you have [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► feeds and feed items match to a certain [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► feed URL it's not trivial to then move [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► those subscribers to a different feed [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► URL because all the item IDs for [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► everything they have subscribed to will [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► be different and I can't easily change I [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► can't just like modify the ones that are [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► on the old feed to point to the new feed [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► without having lots of other problems [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► and everything else and also worth [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► noting is that the feed items table is [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► 170 gigs now the table that map's users [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► to feed items is also about 170 gigs [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► these are the two biggest and highest [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► traffic tables and overcast it is very [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► hard to modify these tables at all to [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► modify the schema to add indexes or to [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► change the schema talk to run alter [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► tables on it it pretty much can't be [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► completed in any kind of real-time [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► fashion the only way to really change [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► that would be to set up a whole new [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► database as a replica modify it and then [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► make it the new master and that's that's [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► just a lot of administration work and [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► it's it's risky it involves you know [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► downtime and I hate doing it and so all [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► this is to say that for for overcast to [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► modify what URL a feed entry points to [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► is a big deal and so for since the [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► beginning of overcast the way it handled [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► redirects was in HTTP terms it treated [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► them all as 302 is temporary redirects [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► so if it encountered a redirect it would [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► follow it when crawling the feed but it [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► would never update the source URL to [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► point to a new one if it encountered a [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► 301 code which is the permanent redirect [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► code this works on the web because on [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► the web it's pretty common practice that [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► if you like host a website at a certain [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► domain name or a certain path and you [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► change your URL scheme or you move hosts [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► it's kind of known on the web that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you're supposed to set up a redirect [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► pretty much indefinitely that like it is [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► a bad eye [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the to ever change URL without having a [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► redirect in place because then you're [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► losing all your like search engine [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► ranking and your inbound links from [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► other places and everything else like [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► it's kind of understood as a best [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► practice in the web that you don't break [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► redirects ever so on the web a permanent [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► redirect is much less important to be [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► treated as such because you can just [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► always crawl one of the URLs that [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► something used to be at and if it's been [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► properly maintained it will get you to [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► where the feed is like when we were then [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► where the new one is podcasting doesn't [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► work that way in practice so all this [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► time when I've been doing you know [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► basically like treating this like the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► web where like I just kind of assumed [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► that if I follow a redirect it'll always [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► be there in podcast a lot of podcasters [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► first of all aren't web programmers you [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► know a lot of podcast producers and you [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► know they come from like the media world [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► there's also all sorts of podcast [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► hosting and analytics and advertising [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► platforms out there that all that all [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► want to host your feed for you at their [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► domain and are all selling their [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► services quite successfully to big [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► podcasters and the big podcasters to [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► them their entire world is iTunes and [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► with iTunes you don't have to maintain [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► permanent redirects forever if you [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► change your feet you can just tell [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► iTunes what your new URL is and it will [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► move for you for it's for itself and and [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► for Apple podcast subscribers and then [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► you don't have to think about it anymore [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► so the concept of having permanent [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► redirect setup is in practice not known [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► or not practiced by most podcasters they [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► are happy to move their feeds to anyone [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► elses service anyone else's domain [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► whatever new ad tracking insertion [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► platform they're using this six month [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► period they're they'll move it all the [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► time and they don't consider what web [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► programmers will consider you know is [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► necessary for that so I could say here [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► all that's as much as I want and try to [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► blame them and say well you know this is [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► your problem not mine but the reality is [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► it becomes my problem it is definitely [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► my problem and it's my and I'm the one [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► who needs to fix it and find a solution [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► because what happens is when a big [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► podcast [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► like about about a year ago this [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► American life moved their feed and they [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► broke the old redirect and I certainly [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► had like 80,000 people telling me that [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► their number one podcast was broken and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► overcast and this was bad simile it [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► became my problem very much so at the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► time I didn't have any any kind of [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► infrastructure in place to move [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► subscribers between feeds in a way that [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► wouldn't just break everything and this [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► American life has another problem where [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► they don't keep their back feed going [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► like they they only keep the most recent [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► handful of episodes in the feed once [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► something is older than a few weeks old [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► you can't download it anymore you have [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► to I think I think they sell them or you [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► can get them in their app or something [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► but you can't download them out of the [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► regular feed anymore [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► so if I move people over to a new entry [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► that doesn't have all those back catalog [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► episodes for this American Life that's a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► pretty big problem especially for that [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► show because it's so popular and a lot [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► of times people will save save APIs ODEs [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► for like months at a time like they'll [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► save up a big back catalog so they can [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► get to go back and realest in or gonna [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► save it up for like long car trips [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► whatever else so there's all these like [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► very very fragile conditions in which I [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► have to be very careful what I do to [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► handle redirects if anything and my [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► original plan up until now of just not [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► handling them was breaking down pretty [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► badly the driving factor this past week [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► was that books bookcase was looted too [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the New York Times podcast the daily is [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► very very popular the daily moved their [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► feed overcast didn't handle didn't take [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► the redirect and the old feed wasn't [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► redirecting to the new one I was hearing [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► about it from a lot of people and [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► eventually we worked it out and and they [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► had heard they arranged to to put that [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► redirect in place so that was a [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► temporary patch but ultimately this was [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► kind of like one of the many wake-up [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► calls I finally had it was like okay I [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► need to handle redirects also like [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► SoundCloud is falling apart and it seems [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► like they're probably not long for this [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► world so like and a lot of pockets were [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► hosted there so there's maybe a lot of [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► feed moves there and and there's so many [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► popular shows that are moving to [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► different ad insertion platforms now and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► changing their if you'd address again [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► it's it's a big enough problem now that [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► like any podcast [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► crawling setup like this it has to have [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► a way to have permanent redirects like [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► that's just the that's just the [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► environment now too many popular shows [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► move too often you have to do it so what [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► I've been working on for the last you [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know I don't know a week or so is that [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► is permanent redirects and making it [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► work and it's really not good like the [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► way I do it is really not good but the [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► only way I can do it without totally [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► modifying my database schema and going [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► through like sysadmin hell for weeks as [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► I do that not to mention lots of costs [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► associated with that and possible bug [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► potential so I really don't want to do [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► that so what I do now basically is I [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► have a separate process from the [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► crawlers because it's speaking of your [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► old code my crawlers are are the only [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► thing I have written and go and I [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► haven't written really any go since so [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► my ghost skills are very rusty and I [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► look at the crawler code now and it's so [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► complex because it was not only is it [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► written in this language that I've used [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► for nothing else so like my skills are [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► dull but also it's at the first go [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► program I ever wrote so it's not [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► particularly great go code like it's [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► like me learning the language and so [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► like everything's in one big file and [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► it's kind of all over the place and for [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► me to track redirect there I would have [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► to modify the go code and I've been [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► trying to do that at first to solve a [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► few other problems it's just like [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► looking at this like I just want to set [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► this on fire like I have no idea what [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► this does I'm so scared so she goes like [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► it mostly has worked for a long time and [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► I don't want to touch it but so instead [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► I made a separate process a separate [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► process in PHP my comfort language I [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► know it's like comfort food like it's [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► it's not good for you but you know [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► anyway so I made a PHP separate cue that [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► just once a day checks feeds for [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► redirects and if a feed is redirecting [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► to the same place that is also an iTunes [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► registered feed for more than I think [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► two days it's a threshold at then it [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► will take all the subscribers and [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► basically create new entries for them in [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► the new feed that [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► their entries in the old feed and then [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► delete the old feed description so to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► the user the only thing that appears to [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► happen is all of a sudden the episodes [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► for one of those shows that could that [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► got moved [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► they all just redownload for some reason [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► everything else is preserved played [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► unplayed states whether its start or not [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► progress if you're partial this and [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► that's all preserved that just gets re [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► inserted and with the new IDs but you do [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► have to redownload because the client [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► sees them as new entries basically [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► that's now in place there's now this [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► queue that runs those things that's [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► going through the backlog it took way [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► too long for me to do this I'm glad I [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► finally did it [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► I wish I had a slightly more elegant [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► solution that wouldn't require read [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► downloading but that would just be a lot [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► more overhead so I'm not gonna do that [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► yet maybe down the road if it becomes a [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► big problem and then like once I found [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► like once I hacked I had something [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► actually checking for 301 redirects and [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► and for the new iTunes new feed URL tag [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► which is inserted it's like what people [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► who aren't familiar with podcast who [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► just know web programming this would [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► make you cry that like the way that you [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► can redirect a feed for podcasts is you [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► leave the old feed still there returning [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► a 200 response code but you put an XML [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► tag in the RSS feed that's iTunes : new [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► feed URL and just leave that there for a [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► few days and iTunes picks it up and [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► moves your feed for you and then the old [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► feed just can sit there not getting [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► episodes added to it or can just get [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► deleted and stop working like that's how [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► like I'm telling you this is what I have [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► to deal with again like the web [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► programmer me when I started this whole [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► thing is like I don't need to do that [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► that's terrible no one's gonna really do [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► that but no people really do it and at [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► increasing frequency and yeah and so [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► anyway once I had this redirect check in [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► working I was able to see quite how many [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► very popular shows have had redirects [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► since 2014 when I started crawling them [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► and it's a lot some of them were simple [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► like moving from HTTP to HTTPS like that [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► that's a very common one like all the [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► relay shows did that lots of lots of [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► popular shows have done that but a lot [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► of them are just moving to different ad [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► platforms and track [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► platforms and insertion platforms and [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► publishing platforms and no one hosts [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► their own feed in podcasting it's yeah [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► so it's it's a mess out there and so I [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► had to deal with it even though I really [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► didn't want to [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► I was so opinionated about like I don't [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► need to do this like that's it they [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► should have redirects in place forever [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► but that's not the reality and I had I [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► had to you know adopted that because [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► that's the understatement [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► so yeah so occasionally you have to do [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► things and do them on the double because [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► other people weren't thinking about you [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► but it's not his boss tell him to do it [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► though he's his boss he's the one he got [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► to the point is he got to delay doing it [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► for a really long time because he didn't [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► want that one very popular feeds [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► redirect but it was saying like no one [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► no one is forcing you to add an about [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► screen that includes a car racing game [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► to your to your thing you really don't [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► have your display system no no one's [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► making you support video podcasts if you [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► don't want to no ones deciding you have [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► to have a recipe manager and a to-do [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► list inside it that's the type of thing [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► we respond to this week by hover domain [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► names for your passion go to hover.com [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► slash ATP to learn more and get 10% off [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► your first purchase building your online [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► brand has never been more important show [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► the world who you are and what you're [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► passionate about without tying it to a [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► particular publishing platform or a big [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► email platform that happens to be [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► popular this year or this five years [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► because that changes over time and you [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► know my first email address was at Juno [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► calm and and I when I bought markers at [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► Oregon in 2000 that was the last time I [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► had to change my email address and tell [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► anybody at that oh please I put your [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► address book nobody ever likes that I [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► also have hosted my own website at my [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► own domain name since that time because [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► web host change platforms change social [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► networks change and it's it's always [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► nice to have a domain for your home base [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► for what you tell people to represent [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► you online for your email address for [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► your website have your own domain name [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► and if you're gonna do that you got to [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► register it somewhere and hover is my [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► favorite registrar they have over 400 [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► domain extensions from the classics like [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► ComNet org to all the new fun ones like [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► diamonds dot plumbing there's no tricks [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► or shady upsells or scammy add-ons or [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► anything like that and they respect your [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► privacy by giving you free who is [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► privacy [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► they have great features to say [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► you time like hover connect for fast [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► setup or if you want fully advanced DNS [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► control they have that too if you need [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► any help at all their customer support [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► is top-notch it's just a great place to [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► register domains I have almost all of [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► mine there now and I keep moving more [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► there as time goes on [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► because it's just Pleasant it's there [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► when I need it and it's out of the way [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► when I don't it's just what you want out [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► of a domain registrar so check it out [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► yourself go to hover comm slash ATP to [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► learn more and get 10% off your first [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► purchase that's hover.com slash ATP [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► hover get a domain name for your passion [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► so back to ask ATG thankfully thankfully [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► we have a quick one to round us out uh [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► Stefan Kozlowski writes do you guys [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► pronounce the command su do as su do or [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► sudo and I will start by saying I have [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► always pronounced it sudo and I [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► understand that it stands for super user [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► do so su do is probably the more [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► academically correct answer but I've [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► always pronounced it sudo to think about [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► this question because I think I do both [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► both out loud and both in my head [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► depending on context that's the [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► conclusion I came to by like tracing [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► through the times that I have said it or [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► thinking about it I think I I think I do [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► both I don't know it's not a satisfying [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► answer but I think good the reality I [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► pronounce it wrong and I don't care I'm [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► proud of it I say sudo and I know it's [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► super user do I'm very aware of this [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► however I don't care to me sudo is its [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► own word and so it gets some [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► pronunciation yeah I don't think that's [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► wrong that's just one of two very common [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► pronunciations like who's to say which [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► is I don't even know if that does the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► less common one it may be for all I know [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► it's the more common one [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► it's a Linux thing it's definitely wrong [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► there's always whatever you whatever [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► everyone does with Linux a lot of people [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► will say it's wrong well I don't know I [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► think it's in the running for to being [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► the more popular one because like you [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► said it is a word PSE you do like that [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► the fact that you know people just [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► substitute a word they're noticing that [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► was when I was talking about I was I was [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► just saying like you know basically like [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► conceptually in my head I read that as [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► pseudo like I read it as a word that and [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► I know what it means it's like being [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► fluent in a language like I'm not [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► thinking about like it's a component [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► parts I'm thinking like oh I need to [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► pseudo do this command like that is its [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► own word in my head I don't think like [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► oh I need to superuser do like when I [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► make a directory I think Oh make Durer [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► like I or mcdr like I think that in my [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► head like as I could component parts so [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► I don't like think about that is in I [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► don't say like you know make Dyer its [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► dur for directories so but pseudo to me [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► like that has become its own word in my [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► head so that's why I pronounce it the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► way I do I don't I don't care about the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► the component parts of it and how [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► they're pronounced all right [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► John tell me about your blacks black [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► screen of death this could have been [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► follow up and I'm trying to you know I [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► think it's it has wandered a default and [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► I was just like practically a weekly [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► segment where I complain about my laptop [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► in some way you know people gave me so [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► much crap when I was complaining about [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► my laptop's not systemic complaints [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► these are specific complaints for the [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► most part sometimes just updates unlike [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► my life with the Mac with like the touch [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► bar thing was not really a complaint [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► about touch part just telling you like I [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► tried to use it and it wasn't for me [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► like it you know I mean so that's there [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► but anyway this is and this this might [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► not be a laptop bug but it's a situation [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► I find myself in frequently and one of [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► those things where I don't know where to [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► blame it but it just it makes my overall [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► experience with this thing worse I think [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► I mentioned it before that so I've got [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► this docking station and it's great when [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► everything works well but sometimes it [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► gets cranky when I undock it so undock [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► and I go out you know all undock with it [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► in clamshell mode and I'll go off to a [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► meeting or something and then I'll [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► arrive at the meeting open up my laptop [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► and everything about it will work [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► perfectly except for the screen is 100% [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► black and I used to know that everything [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► was working perfectly back when the [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► touch bar was not in the you know the [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► mode that I changed it to or it just [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► shows the function keys all the time [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► because I would unlock with touch ID or [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► unlock by typing my password into the [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► totally black screen and then I could [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► command tab and I could see the touch [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► bar changing as I command everything's [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► working I come command tab [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► I'm assuming the track that is working [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► if I could see the mouse cursor here to [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► be moving I could you know type keyboard [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► commands that I know worked in the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► frontmost application you know and like [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► I could if it if you could use it [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► without seeing the screen it was all [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► working for the screen was a hundred [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► percent black and nothing I would do to [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► that computer sitting there would make [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► that screen not be black put it to sleep [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► wake it up again and close the lid open [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► it the only way I found to bring it back [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► is a hardware way where I would use my [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► little they have some little dongle [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► thingy that goes in the side that gives [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► you like a USB port an HDMI and a much [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► other crap plug that in the side and [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► then plug the the rooms monitor into the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► HDMI port and that would wake up it [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► would first of all it would stop my [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► machine would start projecting on the on [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► the external screen but also would wake [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► up the internal display all right so [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► that's I've had this book really a long [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► time and it's annoying sometimes I've [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► had to leave the meeting room go back to [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► my desk get my dog oh come back to the [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► room plug it in plug in the HDMI monitor [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► and then my thing was awake anyway I ran [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► to this problem and I'm calling this the [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► black screen of death even though it's [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► not death it's like in limbo it's alive [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► but blind this happened to me where I [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► unplugged my thing because I was on hard [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► to get home unplugged it and I needed to [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► use my laptop at home and I got home and [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► opened it up and sure enough black [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► screen and I didn't have my little [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► dongle because it was back at work so I [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► couldn't do the one magic hardware thing [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► that makes my screen but I'm back - I [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► tried so many other things I tried SS [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► aging into it from another machine [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► I tried plugging in other things I tried [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► getting out my very own Apple branded [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► HDMI dongle and plugging it into my [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► gaming monitor which is HDMI and turning [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► everything on and that didn't wake up [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► the screen in the end I had to hard [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► reset the thing which really annoyed me [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► that's why I spent like 20 minutes [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► trying to bring this thing back because [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► I was in the middle of a lot of stuff [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► you might not support you might be [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► surprised to hear that I had a lot of [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► windows open I had a lot of things going [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► on you know I just I had a lot of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► terminals a lot of shelves and no I [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► don't use any one of the million things [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that can let me resume my shelf yes I'm [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► sorry I'm disappointing all the people [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► who love team x and screen and [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► and all the other things to do that's [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► right I also use none of those things I [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► always have tons of terminal tabs and [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► windows open and it's fine [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► right anyway I was in or that I lost [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► everything that I was working on and had [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► to hard reset my computer who wanna [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► start reset and the worst part is I'm [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► not hardly saying it cuz it crashed I'm [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► not hard resetting it because it's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► frozen it's not like everything was fine [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► except the screen was a hundred percent [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► black so this is really putting a damper [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► this bug and the possibility that this [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► bug can be there - when it happens it's [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► kind of like the month thirteen is out [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► of bounds thing where it's like [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► everything is mostly working but there's [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► some part of it that's not working that [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► you feel like someone should notice so I [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► you know I would like I think something [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► in the operating system should be aware [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► after a certain period of time that [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► there is a no monitor attached and B the [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► screen is entirely black and I don't [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► think that's a sustainable state and the [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► lid is open I think that set of things [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► there should be some assertion in the [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► operating system that says if no monitor [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► is attached and the lid is open and [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► you're awake but the screen but the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► screen is 100% black fix that like make [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► it not be like that I'm hoping that's [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► the thing that can detect and I don't [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► know who to blame maybe I blame the [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► docking station maybe it's an OS bug who [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► knows but anyway I don't like laptops [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► are you on High Sierra on this yes oh no [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► no I'm not I'm run regular Sarah sorry [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► okay so that sort of it probably isn't [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like a well I guess I just a noob OS bug [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► at least footage not like CR was bug [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► free either I don't I don't know what it [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► is it's just my latest in a long line of [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► infuriating sort of bugs on my laptop so [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► I can assure you that this is not only [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► not a bug that has been fixed in High [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► Sierra but it is not unique to your [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► laptop because my Marco book Pro that I [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► use at work that exhibits this same [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► behavior now I wouldn't say that it [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► happens all the time I wouldn't even say [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► that it happens terribly often but the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► only solution I had come up with for it [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► was occasionally I can sleep it and then [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► reopen it you know close the lid and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► reopen it and then sometimes it'll come [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► back or like you said you know [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► disconnect external monitors reconnect [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► external monitors but just like you said [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► additionally there are times I just have [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► to [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► just kill the machine and bring it back [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► so this is a clamshell problem this is a [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► software problem this is not a new [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► MacBook Pro problem and that is very sad [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► I mean it seems like there must be some [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► hardware aspect to it because I don't [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► think merely closing the lid and opening [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► it I think it's the fact that you're [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► attaching an external monitor and [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► something about the I've attached a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► monitor please detect that it's there [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► and start sending your video signals it [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► oh you just yanked it out I have to [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► handle that like it's it's related to [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► the fact that the hardware configuration [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► machine is changing like I've never seen [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► you know once the computer is working in [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► isolation I'm not plugging anything into [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► it I've never seen it happen there where [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► I close the lid and open and the screen [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► doesn't turn on so I don't know but yeah [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► like the these type of problems very [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► often waking from sleep problems it's [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► not like that but I feel like waking [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► from sleep is almost more explicable [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► it's like well the computers not even [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► awake and so like obviously it's not [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► working this is the worst because it's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► it's so clearly so clear especially with [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► a touch bar that everything is working [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► just fine that the computer is running [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► it just refuses to display anything on [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► the screen and I find that infuriating I [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► should also add since this is apparently [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► the airing of grievances it is the [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► holiday season after all I should add [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► that my Marco Book Pro is now going to [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► have to go in for service when I'm out [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► over the holidays because it turns out [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► if you plug in and remove what is the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► port on the side what is the thunderbolt [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► but it's also known as mini displayport [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► yeah thank you if you plug and unplug [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► mini DisplayPort cables every single day [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► all day every day [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► turns out they start to fail over time [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► so Monday when I got to the office I [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► tried to plug in my two LG 4k monitors [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► and one of them in particular wouldn't [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► plug in for the longest time I would [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► switch around cables I switched around [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► you know where I was plugging them in it [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► was it was not nothing I could do to get [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► it could get it to work and then finally [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► we I had a actually my head IT guy come [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► over and look at it and he plugged in [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► his Marco Book Pro and it worked no [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► problem immediately unplugged it plugged [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► it back in work no problem so it appears [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► that either the graphics card is dying [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► or the connectors are getting screwed up [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► in some way shape or form so I hope [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► Marco that in your beloved Marco book [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► Pro that you are not often time often [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► using the Thunderbolt ports because over [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► time after a year or two after a couple [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► of years you might find them failing so [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► good luck yeah it's one of the things [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► that the move to USBC made a lot better [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► that USB see as far as I can tell so far [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► the connection does wear out over time [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► just like many of them do however it [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► seems like the parts that wear out are [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► mostly in the cable end and not in the [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► port end so it is kind of annoying that [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► your cable loosens up over time [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► especially when it's your power cable to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► your new meant to your new MacBook Pro [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► but it does seem like that's probably an [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► easier fix long-term that you can [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► probably just replace the cable and [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► those conditions for USB C but the mini [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► DisplayPort connector that then became a [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► thunderbolt connector that's never been [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► a good connector like you know one of [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► the big problems with it is that the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► cables are kind of loose in there like [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► there's nothing like holding them in [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► really they can just very easily like [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► slide out or get a little bit dislodged [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► or a little bit like jaw sold and that [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► yeah I will defend a lot of great things [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► about the 2015 era retina MacBook Pro [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► however the design of the thunderbolt [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► port is not one yep so I kind of wish I [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► had a thunderbolt 100 but one I'm sorry [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► a touch bar one but then ain't never [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► gonna happen my IT guy refuses to buy [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► any touch bar MacBook Pros and maybe [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► it's because he's smarter than me yeah [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► well I mean think about it from the [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► point of view of an IT manager at a [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► company like a computer that seems to [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► have a pretty high keyboard failure rate [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► compared to most computers and and again [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► if people who defend this keyboard even [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► if that rate is 20% that's still really [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► high for a computer that has only [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► existed for a year if that's the kind of [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► failure rate you see on a pool of these [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► new computers and if buying them would [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► have to would make you have to like [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► rebuy a whole bunch of dongles or [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► display things or projecting things or [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► things like that for like the whole [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► office you can totally understand why an [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► IT manager would be like yeah that's not [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► oh yeah that's not worth it like [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► we can't we can't afford the down time [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► for the keyboards that's a lot of work [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► for the IT people to have to like you [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► know get the pull those out of service [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► from from the company when they when the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► keyboards break get them repaired put [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► them back in the service like you know [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► figure out things in the meantime like [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that's a huge burden on an IT staff and [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► even even before all that you consider [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► all the dongle stuff so that makes total [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► sense like I totally get it and that's [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► honestly that's probably why Apple still [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► sells the 2015 model new in the Apple [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► Store today they probably sell a ton of [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► them to big corporate purchasers who [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► just want what they've been buying for [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► years because they know it's fine [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► they're already equipped for and it's [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► pretty reliable except when you have to [TS]

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00:57:52 ◼   ► an hour and 20 minutes by my clock but [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► we should probably talk about the iMac [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► Pro and we for me I started to have a [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► holiday party and made it through about [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► a half a drink because I was very busy [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► tonight so I'm sad to report ladies and [TS]

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00:58:20 ◼   ► to endure this aren't you sitting in [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► front of a 5k iMac right now I'm mostly [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► giving you a hard time I am and sitting [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► in front of a 5k iMac so you're an iMac [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► buyer this is a computer that could [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► potentially be for you you like this [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► kind of computer I do I do I'm mostly [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► giving you to a heart yeah don't you do [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► a lot of video transcoding and buy all [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► of Apple stuff in space gray you know [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► the the I don't the sick thing about the [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► iMac Pro is the thing that I think [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► appeals most to me about it is the fact [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► that it's Space Gray because I think [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► that is so hot it's so ridiculous [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► that'll be the first to tell you that is [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► utterly truly ridiculous that the thing [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► I'm most excited about is the color but [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► oh my god it looks so good and those [TS]