The Accidental Tech Podcast

01:00:00 ◼   ► at work yeah that's what I was curious [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► about too and I didn't know if I just [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► hadn't read the right documentation yet [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► or something but the thought of having [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► all of my health records from all of my [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► different health professionals all in [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► one spot all for me to be able to see [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► that genuinely sounds really awesome but [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► Color Me a little skeptical that that'll [TS]

01:00:18 ◼   ► actually be what ends up happening [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► because I mean look at Apple pay which [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► is a seemingly odd analogy to use but [TS]

01:00:25 ◼   ► like I feel like in America it's pulling [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► teeth to get an its to get a retailer to [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► use Apple pay and that's to give them [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► money and here it's like what is going [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► to encourage anyone insurance companies [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► or doctors or whomever to share medical [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► records I mean yeah there are records in [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► theory since it's our bodies etc etc but [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► I don't know I don't see any real [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► incentive to get health providers or [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► insurance companies or whatever to [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► provide this information to us well but [TS]

01:00:54 ◼   ► have them in government incentives to [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► make them adopt some of the things that [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► would make them potentially closer to [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► supporting this type of feature but not [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► anytime soon there won't be if there's [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► one thing that's true and they know [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► there has been in the past like the all [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► meaningful use thing then in past years [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► was to try to get you know medical [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► businesses in the u.s. to adopt [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► electronic health record stuff like who [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► knows how affect it was but anyway this [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► is one thing that's true about [TS]

01:01:22 ◼   ► healthcare in the u.s. is that getting [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► all of your medical anything anywhere is [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► basically impossible so I would love to [TS]

01:01:31 ◼   ► have all my medical stop stop right [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► there unless you were very very lucky [TS]

01:01:37 ◼   ► it's not gonna happen it's hard enough [TS]

01:01:39 ◼   ► to get any of your medical so if you are [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► astronomically lucky and all of your [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► health records happen to be at the tiny [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► subset of medical institutions and [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► providers that are participating in this [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► program yes you could have all of your [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► medical records in this thing but [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► chances are very very good that some of [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► your medical records will not be [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► participating in this and so it's just [TS]

01:02:04 ◼   ► an adoption problem so I I like to see [TS]

01:02:06 ◼   ► Apple tackling this and they're trying [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► to do it in a sort of you know agnostic [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► way using standard [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► protocols for interchange so it's not [TS]

01:02:12 ◼   ► like some Apple proprietary thing where [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► Apple has to convince everybody to adopt [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► some standards it's just that getting [TS]

01:02:18 ◼   ► all of any medical things in the US do [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► anything is very difficult because it's [TS]

01:02:22 ◼   ► a very diverse shall we say environment [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► of providers and technology expertise [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► and motivation and financial incentive [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► to support something like this all right [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► then John in the gifts just keep coming [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► for you you have El Capitan fixes that [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► you're choosing not to install and TV OS [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► 11.3 has a new gift for you does it not [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► I really get from me because even though [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► I have an older Apple TV it's not hooked [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► up to a television set that I think can [TS]

01:02:52 ◼   ► even do 24 frames per second like its [TS]

01:02:54 ◼   ► cuts up to a crappy TV like a bedroom TV [TS]

01:02:57 ◼   ► right so anyway the one changed it is [TS]

01:02:59 ◼   ► most interesting to me in TV OS 11.3 [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► which is currently in beta is frame rate [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► matching which was previously only [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► supported on the Apple TV 4k is now [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► supported on the one that looks exactly [TS]

01:03:09 ◼   ► like the Apple TV 4k but isn't because [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► it doesn't have slots in the box that's [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► mine [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► yeah so now you get that feature too I [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► don't know I also don't know if you have [TS]

01:03:17 ◼   ► a television that condition was like [TS]

01:03:19 ◼   ► probably not almost sure I do not yeah [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► but that was the question before is like [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► why isn't this support is it some kind [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► of hardware limitation no they just [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► didn't get around to it software another [TS]

01:03:27 ◼   ► getting around to it so thumbs up for [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► that alright let's do some ask ATP some [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► guy I've never heard of Todd Vaziri [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► writes with your iPhone 10 experience [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► are there any signs that Apple intends [TS]

01:03:39 ◼   ► to unify 3d touch and a long press to [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► give the same result or do you feel it [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► that they have every intention of [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► keeping these two gestures separate and [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► distinctive I even looked at gesture [TS]

01:03:48 ◼   ► recognizers in a while and nor have I [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► really fiddled with 3d touch api's but [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► as far as I can tell and just as a user [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► it seems to me that it's pretty clearly [TS]

01:03:58 ◼   ► going to be kept separate but I don't [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► know marco have you been looking through [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► these api's more recently to have any [TS]

01:04:02 ◼   ► thoughts on this I I don't have any [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► thoughts I don't think it's gonna be [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► touched in any meaningful way I think [TS]

01:04:08 ◼   ► it's gonna stay the way it is now which [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► is basically like you know most things [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► are 3d touch or nothing and occasionally [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► one of the app developers either Apple [TS]

01:04:17 ◼   ► or third-party [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► will have some good idea oh you know we [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► should make this available with long [TS]

01:04:21 ◼   ► press eventually and then eventually [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► somebody does it but [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► it's probably gonna always be you know [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► 3d touch first kind of like how the [TS]

01:04:28 ◼   ► clear all notifications thing remember [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► wasn't that 3d touch first and then [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► eventually they had a long press it's [TS]

01:04:33 ◼   ► probably gonna be like that that kind of [TS]

01:04:34 ◼   ► pattern I'm just like 3d touches first [TS]

01:04:37 ◼   ► long press if somebody gets to it but do [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► you think like I think part of this [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► question is like are the do the api's [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► make it look like there will ever be a [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► way to like you know coalesce them in [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► terms of you'd write an application to [TS]

01:04:48 ◼   ► handle one kind of event and both of [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► those things that happen on the screen [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► could funnel into one kind of event or [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► do you think the API still reflect the [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► fact that they are entirely separate [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► entirely separate I mean you could write [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► something like in your app that would [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► you know respond to either one alright [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► and you could write some kind of [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► reusable component to make that easier [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► to do but as far as I could tell Apple [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► has not moved in that direction at all I [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► could be wrong could I couldn't miss [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► something but I don't think so yeah I [TS]

01:05:11 ◼   ► don't think that we they're just like my [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► impression from the outside not looking [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► at the guys but just looking how they're [TS]

01:05:17 ◼   ► used is that I would go so far as to say [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► that Apple thinks there actually is an [TS]

01:05:21 ◼   ► important distinction between 3d touch [TS]

01:05:23 ◼   ► and long press that should be meaningful [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► in that UI and cases where they merely [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► say long press is just an affordance for [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► people who have devices about 3d per [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► touch are kind of in the minority like [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► it seems like especially as 3d touch [TS]

01:05:36 ◼   ► spreads to more and more device or at [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► least phones I know because they don't [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► have it on iPads the 3d touch is a [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► different thing than long press now and [TS]

01:05:44 ◼   ► it may still be an optional thing like [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► oh if you happen to have a device that [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► can support you can get this feature but [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► that is not it's not the same thing as [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► long press despite the fact a lot of [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► people like wish it was that it was just [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► more community long rest and and using [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► the phone from my perspective it feels [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► different to me I wouldn't want it to be [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► just an alternate way to do long press [TS]

01:06:01 ◼   ► because it just it just feels so very [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► different so I think I'm mostly on the [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► same page for the Apple here despite the [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► fact that it is somewhat confusing to [TS]

01:06:08 ◼   ► have to explain to people I I don't [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► think they're interchangeable they don't [TS]

01:06:11 ◼   ► feel interchangeable to me I tend to [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► agree [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► Alex writes what is their play to and [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► why is it so hard for both developers [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► and Apple to implement it so I guess [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► marco jumping whenever you're ready but [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► airplay to is it supposed to be [TS]

01:06:26 ◼   ► other than multi room stuff which you [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► can't really do with airplay one unless [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► you're using iTunes on a Mac is it [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► supposed to be kind of self-sufficient [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► where it's more like a Google chromecast [TS]

01:06:35 ◼   ► sort of scenario where you just tell it [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► hey go play this thing [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► over there and it does it all by itself [TS]

01:06:40 ◼   ► or is that completely wrong [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► that's how about halfway wrong it's so [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► so basically the way our play one worked [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► was kind of like it's not that different [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► from like how Bluetooth audio works just [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► done over Wi-Fi it is you know what they [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► call basically a real-time protocol just [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► a stream that you screaming to the [TS]

01:06:58 ◼   ► airplay one device there is a fixed [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► latency that all airplay one devices [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► have of two seconds and everything goes [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► over that same stream that same latency [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► audio gets streamed at that rate [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► commands like play pause or seek get [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► streamed at that rate that's why with an [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► airplay speaker if you hit pause in your [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► phone it takes two seconds before it [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► actually pauses and so it was a simpler [TS]

01:07:18 ◼   ► protocol it was launched forever ago and [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► you know back then things had to be [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► simpler for just technical practicality [TS]

01:07:25 ◼   ► reasons so airplay one very simple [TS]

01:07:28 ◼   ► protocol what you're alluding to Casey [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► how how Sonos and the Google cast [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► protocols usually work is basically like [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► the speaker in those cases or like the [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► the casted to device is controlling and [TS]

01:07:44 ◼   ► and playing the whatever the media is [TS]

01:07:47 ◼   ► itself it isn't having a device send it [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► a stream of media in most cases the the [TS]

01:07:52 ◼   ► Sonos speaker or google chromecast [TS]

01:07:54 ◼   ► whatever is given like a URL and say [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► play play the file here and the client [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► applications are basically giving it [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► commands whenever they feel like it okay [TS]

01:08:04 ◼   ► pause it now play this thing instead or [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► whatever else but the advantage of a [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► system like that is your phone or [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► whatever is streaming the audio from or [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► causing the audio to be streamed is not [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► actually really involved in the [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► real-time playback so like the example [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► that that look that is often given is [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► like if you go out and take out the [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► trash during a party and your phone is [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► is what's telling Sonos to play this [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► playlist when you leave your houses of [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► Wi-Fi for 30 seconds the music isn't [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► gonna stop it's gonna keep playing [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► because your phone is simply giving a [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► command sometimes when you tell it to [TS]

01:08:38 ◼   ► it isn't streaming the audio itself the [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► you know the device for so notice in [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► Google class or whatever is is getting [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► the audio itself over the network and [TS]

01:08:46 ◼   ► only just doing what your phone tells it [TS]

01:08:48 ◼   ► to when it's time to make changes [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► airplay never worked that way airplay [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► was always [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► real-time streamed from the source [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► device to the speaker question yeah home [TS]

01:08:57 ◼   ► pod literature or whatever PR literature [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► makes that claim about it that that it [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► you that it's just pulling the music [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► from Apple music not pulling it from [TS]

01:09:08 ◼   ► your phone but it doesn't currently [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► support airplay - yes so there's there's [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► a few different things here so that what [TS]

01:09:16 ◼   ► the home pot is doing with Apple music [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► first of all I believe that applies only [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► to Apple music and that is because the [TS]

01:09:22 ◼   ► home pod does appear from what they're [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► saying to be a native Apple music client [TS]

01:09:26 ◼   ► in the sense that you can ask it to play [TS]

01:09:28 ◼   ► something from Apple music I don't know [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► if your phone is involved in the Siri [TS]

01:09:32 ◼   ► request itself but once it is playing it [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► does sound like I can just keep playing [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► without your phone's presence so that is [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► a separate thing that's not involving [TS]

01:09:41 ◼   ► airplay too though [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► so what airplay to does is kind of just [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► a halfway point between these are kind [TS]

01:09:48 ◼   ► of like a better airplay one so what it [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► lets you do is buffer for much larger [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► chunks of data and what Apple said in [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► the UC session about it they said [TS]

01:09:58 ◼   ► basically think minutes instead of [TS]

01:10:00 ◼   ► seconds and it lets you buffer faster [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► than real time so you know airplay one [TS]

01:10:05 ◼   ► was a fixed two-second latency [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► everywhere the streaming device supplied [TS]

01:10:09 ◼   ► the audio in real time the playing [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► device played it in real time there's a [TS]

01:10:12 ◼   ► two-second buffer on the playing device [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► airplay to the streaming device is asked [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► to supply the audio as fast as it can [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► faster than real time until the buffer [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► fills up and so your airplay to client [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► program that's playing media has to be [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► able to feed the buffer a lot like you [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► know 5 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever [TS]

01:10:32 ◼   ► it is of the future audio and then the [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► playing device maintains that buffer and [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► plays it in real time and notifies you [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► of you know what point it has reached in [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► playback and so this changes a bunch of [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► things this is a really big foundational [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► change to how this works there are a [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► number of big advantages so number one [TS]

01:10:53 ◼   ► is that scenario of taking out the [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► grabbers during a party as long as [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► you're not taking like 20 minutes [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► outside to take the garbage out in which [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► case I would say you have to think about [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► your a home layout that's too much of a [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► trip [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► you know it should be fine you should [TS]

01:11:09 ◼   ► get back inside in time for that you [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► know minutes long buffer the two do not [TS]

01:11:14 ◼   ► have to under run itself also you know [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► in as we talked about during Euro ads [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► like a lot of times like places in your [TS]

01:11:21 ◼   ► house are kind of Wi-Fi dead zones and [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► so the same problem with that was like [TS]

01:11:25 ◼   ► there's lots of like common scenarios [TS]

01:11:27 ◼   ► where like if your airplane anybody [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► who's ever done airplay hasn't you know [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► you know this because this has probably [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► happened to you at some point where like [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► you know the person with the phone is [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► walking around somewhere and drops out [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► arrange for a second and the music stops [TS]

01:11:37 ◼   ► or skips or whatever also another big [TS]

01:11:39 ◼   ► advantage of this of breaking it out of [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► that like fixed latency model is that [TS]

01:11:44 ◼   ► commands to change so play pause seek [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► commands those can happen faster than [TS]

01:11:50 ◼   ► that two-second buffer those can happen [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► basically as quickly as the as the [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► device receives and processes them so [TS]

01:11:55 ◼   ► like any other Wi-Fi command in your [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► house so it can be really fast so way [TS]

01:11:59 ◼   ► faster way more responsive playback [TS]

01:12:01 ◼   ► controls as well as that long super long [TS]

01:12:03 ◼   ► buffer and it's also airplay one did [TS]

01:12:08 ◼   ► support multi-room audio in some way I'm [TS]

01:12:11 ◼   ► not familiar with the details of how it [TS]

01:12:13 ◼   ► coordinated it but I think only iTunes [TS]

01:12:17 ◼   ► on the Mac could ever really officially [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► be the source for that there was never a [TS]

01:12:21 ◼   ► way for it to have an iOS device as the [TS]

01:12:24 ◼   ► source of multi-room audio with airplay [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► one airplay to that is now possible you [TS]

01:12:28 ◼   ► cannot do multi-room audio with the iOS [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► device as the source of that so that's [TS]

01:12:33 ◼   ► another big change I don't really know [TS]

01:12:35 ◼   ► what has changed by the protocol to [TS]

01:12:36 ◼   ► allow that but I'm sure it's I'm sure [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► there's a good reason also because the [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► playback buffering and the media supply [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► has been separated from the command [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► interface of like play pause you can now [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► have multiple devices in your house [TS]

01:12:52 ◼   ► being able to control the play pause [TS]

01:12:55 ◼   ► type controls of a stream it's playing [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► from not them so like you and your [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► spouse can both have play pause control [TS]

01:13:04 ◼   ► over the music playing from only one of [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► your phones to the airplay to speaker so [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► also you know fun stuff there's also [TS]

01:13:10 ◼   ► separation now of phone call status from [TS]

01:13:14 ◼   ► airplay so you can for instance take a [TS]

01:13:17 ◼   ► phone call on your phone that is air [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► playing music to a speak [TS]

01:13:20 ◼   ► and the music continues to play back on [TS]

01:13:22 ◼   ► that speaker while you're on the phone [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► call that didn't happen before so this [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► and so this is all a lot of major [TS]

01:13:28 ◼   ► changes and this is I think one of the [TS]

01:13:30 ◼   ► reasons why this is taking so long - and [TS]

01:13:32 ◼   ► wide airplay - seems to be the big delay [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► for the home pod this is tons of new iOS [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► api's tons of new background processes [TS]

01:13:42 ◼   ► and changes to fundamental things in iOS [TS]

01:13:44 ◼   ► to make all this happen also on the [TS]

01:13:49 ◼   ► device side on the speaker side you now [TS]

01:13:52 ◼   ► have this you know long buffering [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► mechanism and that's much more complex [TS]

01:13:57 ◼   ► than before you know I'm sure Apple has [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► some kind of component or a library or [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► something that they will sell [TS]

01:14:03 ◼   ► manufacturers to make this easier on [TS]

01:14:06 ◼   ► them to you know to kind of automate [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► this for them would be like a drop in [TS]

01:14:09 ◼   ► component or something but it's more [TS]

01:14:12 ◼   ► complex than airplay one was by a lot [TS]

01:14:15 ◼   ► and even airplay one the client [TS]

01:14:17 ◼   ► implementations tended to suck that [TS]

01:14:19 ◼   ► weren't apples like there was like one [TS]

01:14:21 ◼   ► airplay chip that every airplay speaker [TS]

01:14:22 ◼   ► used and it sucked it was unreliable and [TS]

01:14:25 ◼   ► it was terrible so I'm guessing the [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► delay in the speaker availability is [TS]

01:14:29 ◼   ► because this is more complex and you [TS]

01:14:32 ◼   ► know maybe maybe the industry was caught [TS]

01:14:33 ◼   ► off guard a little bit who knows maybe [TS]

01:14:35 ◼   ► maybe Apple hasn't actually really [TS]

01:14:37 ◼   ► finished it yet and they're just not [TS]

01:14:38 ◼   ► saying that but either way it's a [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► complex protocol and then on the [TS]

01:14:42 ◼   ► software side on the iOS side and [TS]

01:14:45 ◼   ► probably the home pod side this is [TS]

01:14:48 ◼   ► complex III ran into some of this [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► complexity when I started looking at [TS]

01:14:51 ◼   ► these api's for overcast and the main [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► complexity here is these streaming the [TS]

01:14:58 ◼   ► music to the buffer is now disconnected [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► from what time stamp or even like what [TS]

01:15:07 ◼   ► track is actually playing at that moment [TS]

01:15:10 ◼   ► because you can read ahead by so far [TS]

01:15:12 ◼   ► like before with the old airplay one [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► model whatever function in your app [TS]

01:15:17 ◼   ► supplied the audio to the output stream [TS]

01:15:20 ◼   ► could notify the app as that happened [TS]

01:15:23 ◼   ► you're now at timestamp one you're now [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► at timestamp two and as soon as it [TS]

01:15:27 ◼   ► played through a track you can say this [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► track has finished playing you're now [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► playing this next track now it can [TS]

01:15:32 ◼   ► buffer so far ahead of real time [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► that the production of the audio in your [TS]

01:15:37 ◼   ► app the thing that is supplying the [TS]

01:15:38 ◼   ► audio has to be a separate thing [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► entirely from what parts of your app [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► manage what time stamp it's playing at [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► and what track is currently playing and [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► they they've moved all that out now to [TS]

01:15:51 ◼   ► this new like synchronizer object that [TS]

01:15:53 ◼   ► you need so like none of this is like [TS]

01:15:55 ◼   ► difficult to to deal with but it's [TS]

01:15:57 ◼   ► different it's it's a major change from [TS]

01:15:59 ◼   ► the way it used to work and there's also [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► things like like for instance if you if [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► your app has like a concept of like a [TS]

01:16:05 ◼   ► playlist and an item that is coming up [TS]

01:16:09 ◼   ► it's changed say the user deletes an [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► entry in a playlist or reorder as a [TS]

01:16:13 ◼   ► playlist and that part has already been [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► buffered you now have to tell the buffer [TS]

01:16:17 ◼   ► thing oh and everything after this [TS]

01:16:19 ◼   ► timestamp is now different reload it so [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► there's there's all sorts of big and [TS]

01:16:24 ◼   ► small changes like that needed to adopt [TS]

01:16:25 ◼   ► this kind of model and none of them are [TS]

01:16:28 ◼   ► difficult or impossible it's just a lot [TS]

01:16:31 ◼   ► of things to deal with it's a lot of [TS]

01:16:33 ◼   ► change a lot of potential for new bugs [TS]

01:16:35 ◼   ► or not realizing that old bugs were [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► really bugs and so it's like even doing [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► it for overcast is a is a pretty major [TS]

01:16:43 ◼   ► undertaking that I'm nowhere near done [TS]

01:16:45 ◼   ► with I've only done like the early [TS]

01:16:48 ◼   ► stages of it and now can I put on the [TS]

01:16:49 ◼   ► back burner because now I know that it's [TS]

01:16:51 ◼   ► not going to be imminent and I have more [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► pressing things I want to do but it's a [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► big change to audio applications and to [TS]

01:16:59 ◼   ► these systems in iOS that manage them so [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► I think there's very very good [TS]

01:17:04 ◼   ► justification for airplay - to be late [TS]

01:17:08 ◼   ► and for Apple to be running behind I [TS]

01:17:10 ◼   ► think they should have probably [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► anticipated it better and plan for it [TS]

01:17:13 ◼   ► better but oh well they're all this is [TS]

01:17:15 ◼   ► just to say that technically speaking [TS]

01:17:16 ◼   ► this is a nice improvement it is also a [TS]

01:17:19 ◼   ► really big job so it's totally [TS]

01:17:21 ◼   ► reasonable for it to be like you know [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► harder than they might have predicted or [TS]

01:17:25 ◼   ► taking longer than they predicted you [TS]

01:17:28 ◼   ► have a fun class of bugs like you could [TS]

01:17:29 ◼   ► have a bug based on what you described [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► where the speaker is playing a song but [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► but your your player application on your [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► phone indicates that it's playing a [TS]

01:17:38 ◼   ► different song so I can it goes to the [TS]

01:17:40 ◼   ► next track you didn't do that [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► synchronization thing that you said oh [TS]

01:17:42 ◼   ► by the way they've deleted something the [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► your phone will say I'm happily playing [TS]

01:17:46 ◼   ► song a and you [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► hearing a totally different song comes [TS]

01:17:49 ◼   ► through the speaker you'd be like this [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► thing is totally broken how does that [TS]

01:17:51 ◼   ► even happen well now we know how it [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► happens yeah or like as it starts [TS]

01:17:55 ◼   ► buffering if you didn't do the time [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► stamp you know change of how it reports [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► what time you're playing until then like [TS]

01:18:00 ◼   ► you can have it if you watch your time [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► thing in the app you started playing to [TS]

01:18:04 ◼   ► a speaker and your time starts racing [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► ahead by like 10 minutes all of a sudden [TS]

01:18:08 ◼   ► but you're not hearing at that fast like [TS]

01:18:10 ◼   ► there's so many or like it races to the [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► end and deletes the file because so it's [TS]

01:18:15 ◼   ► played already gone like there's there's [TS]

01:18:18 ◼   ► a lot of potential for big and small [TS]

01:18:21 ◼   ► bugs here in your application if they [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► change the playback speed midstream you [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► have to invalidate everything that you [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► freeze the uploaded at the other speed [TS]

01:18:28 ◼   ► yep or if they toggle off smart speed [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► yep anything or if you seek I think if [TS]

01:18:34 ◼   ► you I don't think it actually does in [TS]

01:18:36 ◼   ► the current protocol I'm not sure [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► actually does seeking anyway and you [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► know what concern I have too is like [TS]

01:18:41 ◼   ► this stuff is all so early and so [TS]

01:18:43 ◼   ► complex and such a big undertaking I'm [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► not sure I want to devote a whole bunch [TS]

01:18:49 ◼   ► of time to changing my entire audio [TS]

01:18:52 ◼   ► engine to support this before I know [TS]

01:18:54 ◼   ► that the API is solid and given that [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► Apple is delaying their own airplay to [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► stuff and I'm kind of worried that maybe [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► the API is not done yet or not baked yet [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► so in it there's another reason why I've [TS]

01:19:07 ◼   ► kind of paused my work on this for now [TS]

01:19:10 ◼   ► yeah I could end up like crashing your [TS]

01:19:13 ◼   ► application in scenarios where their [TS]

01:19:14 ◼   ► person is not even using airplay to just [TS]

01:19:16 ◼   ► because of how you had to rejigger the [TS]

01:19:17 ◼   ► internals which is not a great thing to [TS]

01:19:19 ◼   ► happen all right what are we in the [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► middle of were in the middle of SKT P [TS]

01:19:23 ◼   ► right yep okay and rule in limb penning [TS]

01:19:27 ◼   ► rights could John please detail his [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► method for reading extremely long soft [TS]

01:19:31 ◼   ► Carver boats without ruining spine where [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► the hell did this even come from what [TS]

01:19:35 ◼   ► about some other podcast that I'm on [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► that and repair business do I discussed [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► this I think you two should know about [TS]

01:19:43 ◼   ► it too in the long history of weird [TS]

01:19:45 ◼   ► things that have anyway I I when I was [TS]

01:19:47 ◼   ► younger I had a lot of books like paper [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► books before I got on the book bandwagon [TS]

01:19:52 ◼   ► and I had a lot of paperback books when [TS]

01:19:55 ◼   ► I was younger and some of them are [TS]

01:19:58 ◼   ► really thick because I'm big Stephen [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► King fan and [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► books are long and eventually I got into [TS]

01:20:03 ◼   ► books as a thing that you can buy like [TS]

01:20:05 ◼   ► sort of a physical object in addition to [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► the words that they contain in fact I'm [TS]

01:20:09 ◼   ► still like that I read e-books mostly [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► but I still like physical books often I [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► will buy a physical book but still read [TS]

01:20:14 ◼   ► the e-book anyway we've got a lot of [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► soft covers and I like them I got a lot [TS]

01:20:19 ◼   ► of series that had cool spines I put [TS]

01:20:21 ◼   ► them up all on my shelf arranged them [TS]

01:20:22 ◼   ► they looked nice pretty soon after [TS]

01:20:25 ◼   ► getting my first collection of [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► paperbacks I decided that didn't like [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► how the books looked when the spines [TS]

01:20:30 ◼   ► were broken if you opened up a paperback [TS]

01:20:31 ◼   ► really wide the nice printed spine on it [TS]

01:20:35 ◼   ► will get a big white you know crease or [TS]

01:20:37 ◼   ► crack on it and if you read the book [TS]

01:20:38 ◼   ► eventually you have cracks going up and [TS]

01:20:40 ◼   ► down the whole spine anyone who has had [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► a big thick paperback book knows about [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► this so I didn't like that so eventually [TS]

01:20:46 ◼   ► I decided I'm going to read all myself [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► cover books no matter how thick they are [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► without breaking the spine and that's [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► what this question is about how do you [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► do that [TS]

01:20:55 ◼   ► unfortunately for Andrew the answer is [TS]

01:20:57 ◼   ► exactly how you would think you do that [TS]

01:20:59 ◼   ► you don't open the book really wide you [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► support the spine with your fingers [TS]

01:21:05 ◼   ► behind it and you open it a crack [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► anybody like how are you gonna read an [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► entire literally eight hundred page book [TS]

01:21:11 ◼   ► peeking into this tiny crevice to read [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► the text out of the you know like it you [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► know there is no secret the secret you [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► know like the technique is put your [TS]

01:21:21 ◼   ► fingers on the back of the spine so you [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► can feel what's happening at the back of [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► that spine and open it as wide as you [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► can before it greases and just be really [TS]

01:21:28 ◼   ► really careful and I don't think that's [TS]

01:21:30 ◼   ► a particularly fun way I read I think [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► people should buy ebooks because they're [TS]

01:21:32 ◼   ► way better than paper books but paper [TS]

01:21:34 ◼   ► books you're beautiful so you should [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► still buy them and collect them and [TS]

01:21:36 ◼   ► display them so how do you use an iPhone [TS]

01:21:38 ◼   ► without scratching it well you keep it [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► in a small felt pouch every single time [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► you use it you never actually in the [TS]

01:21:51 ◼   ► pouch ever yeah but what could possibly [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► be more convenient than the pouch is [TS]

01:21:59 ◼   ► awesome I like here's the thing about I [TS]

01:22:01 ◼   ► originally I'd started doing it for the [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► reason you you noted for like scratch [TS]

01:22:05 ◼   ► ability but I have come to appreciate [TS]

01:22:06 ◼   ► the fingerprint like I don't I don't [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► ever have to clean off my phone screen [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► which is apparently things a lot of [TS]

01:22:11 ◼   ► people have to do or their phone screens [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► look [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► gusting because every time it goes in [TS]

01:22:14 ◼   ► and out of my pouch it gets cleaned of [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► course and when it stays in there and it [TS]

01:22:18 ◼   ► rubs around like it's a microfiber thing [TS]

01:22:20 ◼   ► it is always cleaning my phone screen [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► that's nice [TS]

01:22:23 ◼   ► so a year of using my jet-black iPhone 7 [TS]

01:22:25 ◼   ► and you know how much should ever matter [TS]

01:22:27 ◼   ► how scratched it was not at all [TS]

01:22:29 ◼   ► you know how much I ever noticed zero at [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► the back I'm talking about talking about [TS]

01:22:33 ◼   ► the front actually you know what case on [TS]

01:22:35 ◼   ► that so I don't care about the back I [TS]

01:22:36 ◼   ► actually do have a small problem with [TS]

01:22:38 ◼   ► the iPhone 10 I'm getting scratches on [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► my screen really on the front yeah why [TS]

01:22:43 ◼   ► from what I don't know like they're [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► they're not like deep scratches but you [TS]

01:22:47 ◼   ► know when the light hits certain angle [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► you can see them and I think I think I [TS]

01:22:50 ◼   ► heard from a few other people that they [TS]

01:22:51 ◼   ► were having a similar issue like I've [TS]

01:22:53 ◼   ► never had I phone screen scratches that [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► noticeable I'm getting scratches on my [TS]

01:22:57 ◼   ► iPhone 10 like already so I don't know I [TS]

01:23:00 ◼   ► don't know what's up they like micro [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► like a very micro scratches like maybe [TS]

01:23:03 ◼   ► they're just scratches in the sort of [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► oleophobic whatever coating and not like [TS]

01:23:08 ◼   ► actually in the class [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► maybe I mean I get like they they don't [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► look deep like you can't see them at all [TS]

01:23:13 ◼   ► angles if you turn the screen off [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► they're pretty they're pretty noticeable [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's interesting anyway I don't [TS]

01:23:18 ◼   ► have any online pouch it's an answer it [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► may not be the answer but it is an [TS]

01:23:27 ◼   ► answer I will concede it is an answer on [TS]

01:23:29 ◼   ► the back of my jet-black iPhone 7 I'm [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► sure its pristine underneath my leather [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► case good for it I'm sure that's that's [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► gonna really be it's gonna really matter [TS]

01:23:37 ◼   ► a long term yeah but I've already [TS]

01:23:39 ◼   ► decided that I'm not speaking of keeping [TS]

01:23:41 ◼   ► phones pristine I'm not gonna give my my [TS]

01:23:45 ◼   ► any of my kids this iPhone 7 like I [TS]

01:23:48 ◼   ► handed down my iPhone 6 and you know god [TS]

01:23:51 ◼   ► knows what my son is doing to it for the [TS]

01:23:52 ◼   ► 7 I'm like no no we'll buy you like an [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► iPhone se use or something but we're not [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► you're not getting my 7 I spent all this [TS]

01:23:58 ◼   ► time keeping it pristine like this is [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► this I put my iPhone 7 I think is in the [TS]

01:24:03 ◼   ► category of like my ac30 in my 2008 Mac [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► Pro I really like this phone I mean I [TS]

01:24:08 ◼   ► grant I've only had two iPhones but this [TS]

01:24:09 ◼   ► is by far my favorite like there's [TS]

01:24:12 ◼   ► nothing about it that is bad even the [TS]

01:24:15 ◼   ► lack of that phone port like I've you [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► know I think as iPhone 7 is great and [TS]

01:24:19 ◼   ► I'm now appreciating it as my last like [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► pre iPhone 10 not [TS]

01:24:23 ◼   ► era of Apple phone you know yeah it [TS]

01:24:26 ◼   ► honestly like you know as we talked [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► about it in our iPhone 7 exit interview [TS]

01:24:30 ◼   ► segment I like looking back on it like I [TS]

01:24:33 ◼   ► don't want to go back to it because I [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► like the 10 too much but that really was [TS]

01:24:37 ◼   ► a great phone like David really it was [TS]

01:24:40 ◼   ► it was a great phone yeah and it's great [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► too and everything but you know [TS]

01:24:43 ◼   ► overshadowed by the tensile be like and [TS]

01:24:45 ◼   ► I didn't get the 8 right so I've got the [TS]

01:24:46 ◼   ► 7 and this is my phone that like hit the [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► sweet spot of like the culmination of a [TS]

01:24:50 ◼   ► long evolution of a particular phone [TS]

01:24:51 ◼   ► factor before Apple took a hard left [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► turn to iPhone Penland also like the 8 [TS]

01:24:55 ◼   ► doesn't have the jet black finish and [TS]

01:24:57 ◼   ► that to me was a critical part of why [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► the 7 was so awesome because it so [TS]

01:25:00 ◼   ► dramatically improved and changed the [TS]

01:25:01 ◼   ► feel of the phone like it really gave [TS]

01:25:04 ◼   ► that awesome caseless grip that I miss I [TS]

01:25:08 ◼   ► you know the iPhone 10 is better than [TS]

01:25:11 ◼   ► like the previous aluminum ones but it's [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► still not as good as the iPhone 7 grip [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► but I like the rest of it so I'm keeping [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► it I guess even though my screen is [TS]

01:25:20 ◼   ► scratched anyway thanks to our sponsors [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► this week Casper betterment and SRC and [TS]

01:25:25 ◼   ► we will talk to you next week now the [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► show is over [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:25:35 ◼   ► accidental [TS]

01:25:39 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► the only research Margaux and Casey [TS]

01:25:43 ◼   ► wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

01:25:46 ◼   ► accidentally was accidental and you can [TS]

01:25:52 ◼   ► find the show notes at ADP CAS pyl ISS [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► so that's Casey less and a are Co a RM [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► auntie Marco Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► I I really I do this every year I guess [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► this is my my lose weight kind of New [TS]

01:26:37 ◼   ► Year's resolution even though it's not a [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► resolution it's just something I remind [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► myself of every year and every year you [TS]

01:26:43 ◼   ► know January comes around I remind [TS]

01:26:44 ◼   ► myself you know what you should really [TS]

01:26:46 ◼   ► be less negative Casey up on the [TS]

01:26:49 ◼   ► internet and stop complaining and [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► moaning about things which I don't think [TS]

01:26:51 ◼   ► I do [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► overwhelmingly but I do probably more [TS]

01:26:55 ◼   ► than I should and then something like [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► this happens I see a news report saying [TS]

01:27:01 ◼   ► BMW is going to charge $80 a year for a [TS]

01:27:07 ◼   ► subscription of carplay $80 for a [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► subscription of carplay that involves no [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► like cloud services or anything like [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► that of any sort [TS]

01:27:16 ◼   ► it's just $80 for them to not cut you [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► off for the thing in your car yeah what [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► what huh there's a number of angles to [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► this so like a few people asked when [TS]

01:27:30 ◼   ► this first came out like well do we know [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► like his Apple charging them dearly and [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► we don't have a firm answer on that [TS]

01:27:37 ◼   ► apparently somebody heard from some car [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► maker that Apple does not charge fees [TS]

01:27:42 ◼   ► for car play and there certainly is not [TS]

01:27:44 ◼   ► an annual fee Apple did say so [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► according to Gruber this is website [TS]

01:27:49 ◼   ► Gruber says I've now received the [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► following clarification from Apple there [TS]

01:27:53 ◼   ► is no fee for OEMs for either MFI or [TS]

01:27:57 ◼   ► carplay integration there never has been [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► and and then every will to my knowledge [TS]

01:28:00 ◼   ► there are no plans to this change there [TS]

01:28:02 ◼   ► is no royalty costs or ongoing costs the [TS]

01:28:04 ◼   ► only cost automakers are those necessary [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► to create the hardware this includes an [TS]

01:28:08 ◼   ► authentication chip alright that's good [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► okay so anyway so that rules that out [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► but anyway so this does solve a problem [TS]

01:28:16 ◼   ► I don't think it solves it in the right [TS]

01:28:18 ◼   ► way but there there is a problem that [TS]

01:28:22 ◼   ► BMWs as you know case you from having [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► bought them especially I have about them [TS]

01:28:26 ◼   ► used certain options like this there are [TS]

01:28:29 ◼   ► options at you know I purchased when the [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► car is new and you can't add them later [TS]

01:28:32 ◼   ► the car play there's not much reason [TS]

01:28:36 ◼   ► like it's like a three [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► hundred dollar option normally before [TS]

01:28:38 ◼   ► this thing there's not a lot of reason [TS]

01:28:41 ◼   ► that they had to charge three hundred [TS]

01:28:43 ◼   ► extra dollars they're just doing it [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► because they can because cars like this [TS]

01:28:47 ◼   ► you know luxury cars especially they [TS]

01:28:50 ◼   ► charge money for every little thing [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► anything if you want like they've [TS]

01:28:54 ◼   ► offered for years now they've offered [TS]

01:28:56 ◼   ► like wireless phone charging where they [TS]

01:28:58 ◼   ► just put basically a Qi charger in the [TS]

01:28:59 ◼   ► armrest and they charge you like $700 or [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► some obscene thing for that like that's [TS]

01:29:04 ◼   ► just the game here when you're buying a [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► high-end car like this many of the [TS]

01:29:08 ◼   ► brands will nickel and dime you to death [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► over stuff that does not cost them that [TS]

01:29:12 ◼   ► much to add but they have a captive [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► audience you know it's just like buying [TS]

01:29:15 ◼   ► a beer at a baseball stadium it's a [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► captive audience [TS]

01:29:17 ◼   ► you're already spending a lot of money [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► they know that they can get more out of [TS]

01:29:21 ◼   ► people if they do this so you know that [TS]

01:29:24 ◼   ► I I don't really fault them for charging [TS]

01:29:26 ◼   ► separately for this I think it's a [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► crappy luxury experience that not every [TS]

01:29:31 ◼   ► BMW has carplay like a lot of other [TS]

01:29:33 ◼   ► manufacturers all of their cars now have [TS]

01:29:35 ◼   ► carplay or all of certain model lines [TS]

01:29:38 ◼   ► have it BMWs not doing that that creates [TS]

01:29:41 ◼   ► a problem if you're looking for a used [TS]

01:29:43 ◼   ► one and this is a fairly minor feature [TS]

01:29:46 ◼   ► distinction so if you're looking at used [TS]

01:29:48 ◼   ► BMWs or if you have acquired a used BMW [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► it might be difficult to find one that [TS]

01:29:53 ◼   ► has carplay or you might not know until [TS]

01:29:55 ◼   ► you actually go visit one of the dealer [TS]

01:29:57 ◼   ► whether the one you're looking at has [TS]

01:29:59 ◼   ► carplay or not there is a problem that [TS]

01:30:01 ◼   ► they are now solving that now you can [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► add carplay so I think you can actually [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► like if a car was sold without it and [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► you go buy it use and you want it I [TS]

01:30:12 ◼   ► think you can add it by starting to pay [TS]

01:30:14 ◼   ► this fee that's not a great solution to [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► that problem there are way better [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► solutions like honestly you know a [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► decent a well spec BMW cost like over 40 [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► grand most of the time you can throw in [TS]

01:30:25 ◼   ► car play but at no additional charge [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► like there this is this is the kind of [TS]

01:30:29 ◼   ► thing like you know the brakes aren't [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► optional you know the like that like the [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► air conditioning now comes standard like [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► you know I think car plays is really [TS]

01:30:39 ◼   ► very quickly becoming one of those [TS]

01:30:40 ◼   ► features where like people just expect [TS]

01:30:42 ◼   ► that like it's weird if you don't have [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► it on a nice car these days so they [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► should really include it on all the cars [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► and not [TS]

01:30:51 ◼   ► charge you this dumphy one of the [TS]

01:30:52 ◼   ► analogies I heard was like and in cheap [TS]

01:30:55 ◼   ► to mid price hotels the Wi-Fi is free [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► but in fancy hotels they charge you for [TS]

01:30:59 ◼   ► it that is definitely not true they [TS]

01:31:02 ◼   ► charge you for it every no like that's [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► I've heard that saying before and I have [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► experienced some of that where main [TS]

01:31:10 ◼   ► places I've seen free Wi-Fi are not in [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► the fanciest hotels but kind of in the [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► mid tier ones but once you get fancy [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► they're like well you're already paying [TS]

01:31:18 ◼   ► so much for the room anyway we'll just [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► add this charge on for the wife yeah [TS]

01:31:21 ◼   ► well and also like you know [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► see also iCloud storage plans like what [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► we talked about earlier there's this is [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► a captive audience [TS]

01:31:27 ◼   ► right like iCloud storage cells not [TS]

01:31:29 ◼   ► because it's a great deal but because [TS]

01:31:31 ◼   ► you kind of want it it makes the [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► experience way better and what else you [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► gonna do like this is all system [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► integration stuff it's like if you want [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► this experience in the native first [TS]

01:31:40 ◼   ► party way that works with everything [TS]

01:31:42 ◼   ► you're probably going to pay whatever [TS]

01:31:43 ◼   ► they want for it the car plan BMWs is [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► the same thing like you're gonna have to [TS]

01:31:47 ◼   ► pay whatever they want for it basically [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► so I think the solution here is to stop [TS]

01:31:51 ◼   ► buying BMWs exactly the problem of like [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► they do have competitors like maybe [TS]

01:31:57 ◼   ► there's no competitor for car play for [TS]

01:31:59 ◼   ► you I want integration with my iPhone in [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► such and such a way but you can buy [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► another luxury car that has car play [TS]

01:32:05 ◼   ► that doesn't charge you this much [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► and one of the points I've seen from [TS]

01:32:08 ◼   ► people talking about this in terms of [TS]

01:32:10 ◼   ► pricing it's like well if you get a [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► three year lease and it's 80 bucks it's [TS]

01:32:13 ◼   ► still cheaper than a $300 up front [TS]

01:32:14 ◼   ► option which is kind of true and like in [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► the grand scheme of things given like [TS]

01:32:19 ◼   ► you know like how much they charge for [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► the different paint color it's like an [TS]

01:32:23 ◼   ► additional twenty five hundred dollars [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► or whatever like if you add it all up [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► the number of absurd things you're going [TS]

01:32:28 ◼   ► to pay way more for for the life of this [TS]

01:32:30 ◼   ► BMW that you'll happily pay for it [TS]

01:32:32 ◼   ► because you want the sparkly red paint [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► or whatever Dwarfs this car plaything [TS]

01:32:36 ◼   ► but the car everything just just feels [TS]

01:32:37 ◼   ► punitive because yeah everyone else is [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► giving it to you for free and there's [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► not even a hint of a justifiable reason [TS]

01:32:44 ◼   ► for it to be an ongoing eternal payment [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► and so just the noise people so I think [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► BMW will is what will either happen [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► either BMW will reverse this or every [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► other luxury car maker will do the same [TS]

01:32:55 ◼   ► thing it's true it's just I don't know [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► it's just so frustrating because I know [TS]

01:33:03 ◼   ► like in my [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► that this is a completely unsurprising [TS]

01:33:09 ◼   ► thing for a luxury car manufacturer to [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► do like the things that BMW charged [TS]

01:33:13 ◼   ► sport like up until recently and maybe [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► still to this day they they had a [TS]

01:33:17 ◼   ► tremendous up charge for for xenon [TS]

01:33:19 ◼   ► headlamps or the high intensity [TS]

01:33:21 ◼   ► discharge headlamps I guess their LEDs [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► now in all likelihood but for years when [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► when hind in high intensity discharge [TS]

01:33:28 ◼   ► headlamps were a thing BMWs would still [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► have that as an option like my [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► generation the the early 2010 oh yeah my [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► 13 my 3-series that was that generation [TS]

01:33:41 ◼   ► I didn't get the HIDs they were too [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► expensive [TS]

01:33:43 ◼   ► right exactly and I will see them [TS]

01:33:45 ◼   ► constantly to this day they mean you can [TS]

01:33:47 ◼   ► tell you know what is HIDs and what [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► doesn't but that seemed preposterous to [TS]

01:33:51 ◼   ► me like I'm not saying that it shouldn't [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► necessarily be paid for but come on it's [TS]

01:33:54 ◼   ► an option really like you're buying a [TS]

01:33:57 ◼   ► BMW buying a Mercedes you're buying an [TS]

01:33:58 ◼   ► Acura whatever the case may be like that [TS]

01:34:00 ◼   ► that should just be part of the car and [TS]

01:34:03 ◼   ► I don't know this just seems like such a [TS]

01:34:05 ◼   ► preposterous absurd thing to nickel and [TS]

01:34:08 ◼   ► dime people over and it's not as bad as [TS]

01:34:10 ◼   ► Porsche from what I understand who I [TS]

01:34:12 ◼   ► guess is the the kings and queens of [TS]

01:34:15 ◼   ► nickel and diming but it's just gross [TS]

01:34:17 ◼   ► and I think BMW has been heading more [TS]

01:34:18 ◼   ► and more this way over time and it just [TS]

01:34:21 ◼   ► grosses me out and here again I just I [TS]

01:34:23 ◼   ► don't know what car I should get if I [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► get a new car cuz I'm screwed no matter [TS]

01:34:26 ◼   ► what what happened to the ultimate [TS]

01:34:29 ◼   ► driving machine that reviews that slogan [TS]

01:34:30 ◼   ► anymore I love that slogan I mean to be [TS]

01:34:33 ◼   ► fair like every be MOU owner has always [TS]

01:34:36 ◼   ► had this progression with the company [TS]

01:34:37 ◼   ► and it just rolls into different times [TS]

01:34:39 ◼   ► it's like yep every BMW owner for the [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► history of BMW has always said whatever [TS]

01:34:44 ◼   ► happened to the BMW that made you know [TS]

01:34:45 ◼   ► my first car yeah like now the ones they [TS]

01:34:49 ◼   ► make today are crap but whatever [TS]

01:34:51 ◼   ► happened to the MacBook Pros with better [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► keyboards am i right Marco well it's a [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► little bit different when the failure [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► rate changes so dramatically it was a I [TS]

01:35:03 ◼   ► think your inhaler [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► maybe was him or someone else tweeted a [TS]

01:35:05 ◼   ► picture of an old power book and all I [TS]

01:35:07 ◼   ► could think I was looking at that it's [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► like look at the travel on those keys [TS]

01:35:11 ◼   ► sighs keyboard keys like that was before [TS]

01:35:14 ◼   ► they even started really flattening them [TS]

01:35:15 ◼   ► out like they look like just full size [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► and mechanical [TS]

01:35:18 ◼   ► keyboard key caps right yeah they [TS]

01:35:20 ◼   ► probably have more travel than the the [TS]

01:35:22 ◼   ► total thickness of the current proline [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► [Laughter] [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► I was thinking the MacPro design [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► speculation that could be pretty much [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► any time before WTC probably every every [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► time every day is my perspective Asia [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► day all right me I was thinking to like [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► I like I probably like we probably have [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► done too much Mac Pro stuff recently so [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► they could we could use it like a few [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► weeks break from that oh thank god [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► disagree we should start with follow-up [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Peter van Brookhaven has some thoughts [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► about apples hesitation to do battery [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► replacements and he writes in that one [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► of the reasons that they really don't [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► like to do battery replacements is that [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► if they can't get the battery out [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► cleanly then they'll replace the whole [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► phone but they'll do it for the cost of [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► just that battery replacement so he said [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► he had an older phone I think he said [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► like a 5s or something like that that he [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► still was running on the original [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► battery went to the Apple store he asked [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► them to replace the battery they botched [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► it and so he got himself a brand new 5s [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► for 90 whatever dollars or $30 whatever [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► the cost is now and that that explains [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► to me anyway why they're super reticent [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► to be doing battery replacements unless [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► they're really sure it's necessary yeah [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► and that you know even if you're willing [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► to pay like oh you know just take my [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► money I'm willing to pay for the battery [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► placements like yeah but this battery [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► replacement could change from even from [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► an $80 build with the old price into [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► something that costs Apple you know [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► several hundred dollars to give you [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► basically a brand new phone because they [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► couldn't at the very out but it could be [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► argued well a volt here and stupid fault [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► for making phones that you can't get the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► batteries out of without destroying them [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► so maybe the next time you design a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► phone make it easier to get the battery [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► in and out and they probably have [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► because he's talking about a 5s and [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► there's been many phones since then and [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► so designing designing phones for [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► serviceability is I think something that [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► Apple has been he was probably like a [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► narc like the first ones were probably [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► reasonably serviceable just because they [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► were simpler and then they probably got [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► a lot less serviceable as they got [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► thinner and more complicated and I feel [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► like now they go in the opposite [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► direction of yeah we want to make them [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► thin and compact but also try to do the [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► best we can for serviceability so really [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► Apple is you know you're just making [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► problems for themselves they continue to [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► make things that are always glued [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► together and have little ribbon [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► connectors that are all [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► then glued on with adhesives that age [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► and everything like that's that's their [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► own fault so I feel like they have to [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► either just eat this cost or do better [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► about making serviceable phones because [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► they're the ones servicing them moving [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► on we have some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► which we'll talk about later but one of [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the things that's come out come out over [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► the last week is that 11 3 will let [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► users turn off the battery performance [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► throttling and I don't really understand [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► like if the choice is your phone [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► spontaneously dying or just being very [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► slow I'll go with very slow but I say [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► this from the position of not really had [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► a phone that's gotten this performance [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► throttling so maybe I don't really [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► understand how unbelievably unbearable [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► the throttling is but regardless [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► 11:3 will add new features to show the [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► battery health and recommend if a [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► battery needs to be serviced so that'll [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► be found in settings battery and are [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► available for the iPhone 6 and later for [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► the more users can now see if the power [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► management feature that dynamically [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► manages maximum performance to prevent [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► unexpected shutdowns which was [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► introduced in 10.1 is on and whether and [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► they can choose whether or not to turn [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► it off this feature can be found in [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► settings battery as well and is also [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► available from the 6 and up yeah this so [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► this is not a great fix to this problem [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► or solution to this need to users it is [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► possible that they needed to do it this [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► way to have that off switch for some [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► kind of legal or a lawsuit or regulatory [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► compliance reason you know they've [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► gotten a lot of crap for this from a lot [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► of different places a lot of different [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► countries but just as a user experience [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► having a switch to let your phone [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► randomly shut down seems very [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► unappetizing and it seems like this is [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► very much a like you know Steve Jobs [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong kind [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► of response from Apple you want a free [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► bumper find take a free bumper we've [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► heard it from a lot of people why don't [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► you just give everybody a case ok great [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► let's give everybody a case yeah like it [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► there there general response and tone [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► with this is not good that interview Tim [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► Cook gave it's better than the Steve [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► Jobs talk [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► you see was actually pretty obnoxious [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► and snarky and everything every [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► communication I've seen about this has [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► been fairly magnanimous and [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► understanding he made the feature itself [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► may seem snarky but I don't think the [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► communication has been Steve Jobs level [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► you want a bumper fine here's a free [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► bumper III thought the the Tim Cook [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► quote about it in that interview a few [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► days ago was pretty bad Oh people people [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► not understanding yet Tim Cook had a [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► couple of statements the media but like [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► honestly Tim Cook should not talk to the [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► media like I really honestly I'm serious [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► like he does not come off well in these [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► kind of interviews whenever he's asked [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► anything of substance it does not come [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► off well well usually his problem is [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► that he's just blinded didn't say [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► anything right so that's but this is a [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► rare case where he showed a little bit [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► of teeth it was like I just think maybe [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► people just didn't really understand or [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► weren't paying attention there was just [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► such BS like that's what you should know [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► STUV the time it's merely what he says [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► has no to information it's just kind of [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► platitude right the platitudes one isn't [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► harmful and I think maybe that's [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► actually a good way to communicate with [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► the people in those venues but it's not [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► like Apple fans you know it's just like [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► whoever is watching you know CNN or [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► whatever whatever you know news network [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► he's on at that moment I think that's a [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► fine communication but it's boring we're [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► not interested in it and he's not gonna [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► say anything new the snark shows a [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► little personality of a nominee he's you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► know off-base but I think that the [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► strangest bit of communication this [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► actually started and follow up as a [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► story about Tim's communication and [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► changed into now that we have the actual [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► release notes for the 11 3 beta into you [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► know more concrete story but the the [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► original story was Tim Cook was on a new [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► show and yeah he did his normal [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► platitudes that he normally does just [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► sort of saying speaking generalities [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► about stuff that close I'll follow was [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► already new but then he mentioned [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► something about being able to turn off [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► the battery throttling and that's not [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► what Apple's press release said like way [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► back when when they talked about this [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the press release said oh we're gonna [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► have new battery information and you [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► know old stuff but didn't say anything [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► about being able to turn off so I was [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► like is he like misremembering what they [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► plan to do maybe they talked about [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► having an off switch and he is just [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► misremembering instead it's like no he's [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► much more controlled than that but then [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► he's like essentially breaking Apple [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► news on a random cable news channel like [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► he pre-announced features of the iOS 11 [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► 3 beta [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► like a couple days ahead of time which [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► is weird for [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► Apple so the Riddler who's gonna be was [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► he misremembering or is this a thing [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► they're gonna do but now the story is [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Tim Cook is breaking news about Apple on [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► cable news shows which is weird well I [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► mean I I think that's his prerogative oh [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► yeah no it's totally up but it's it's [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► it's definitely a change it makes me [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► wonder like it is that like the new [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► version of the controlled leaked to The [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► Wall Street Journal where they just send [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► Tim out and tell him to say that I mean [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► this is not the first time that an Apple [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► executive has like broken some news in [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► an interview like this that that seems [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► pretty clearly you know planned that way [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► okay minor news it's not big news but [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► still honestly that is minor news I mean [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► like the big news was the problem at all [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► the the how they're solving it in these [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► various ways is fairly small news but I [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► do think though just going back to the [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the actual feature and solution here I [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► don't think this is quite enough what [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► this is basically saying is if this is [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► happening to you we will now display [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► that in this settings battery panel that [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► nobody ever knows better goes to and you [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► know will display it there and so you [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► able to check there to see what's [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► happening that's not good enough because [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► most people will never think to check [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► there or won't know how to check there [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► or won't you know like they just think [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► my phone is slow I need to buy a new one [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► so really I think users need to be [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► notified in some way when their phone [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► reaches a state in which this setting is [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► turned on for them and and I tweeted [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► this earlier a lot of people [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► misunderstood I wasn't clear enough I'm [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► not saying that like every time the CPU [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► gets throttled they should get another [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► notification dialog boxes yeah what I'm [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► saying is that at some point when when [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► your phone has reached some kind of [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► metric as measured by the battery or [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► whatever at some point this setting gets [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► turned on for you without you knowing [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► that needs to be a user notification [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► when that happens and it might be like [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► to be clear we don't know that that [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► that's not happened just the release [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► just say that there's a setting for all [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► we know there is a notification and [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► there is a battery indicator in the [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► status Mart those things could both be [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► true they just you know might not merit [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► mentioning here so the only way [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► unfortunately the only way we'll be able [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► to find out unless is the way you can do [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► this in simulator is there someone to [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► have a phone that's on the threshold [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► between like they'll go to the battery [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► settings screen let's say oh I'm right [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► on the border where it's gonna yell at [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► me if they show some kind of bar graph [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► or something and then just abuse the [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► phone until it crosses that threshold [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► and see if you get [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► and alert of any kind and in a [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► surprising stroke of good news for John [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► your ancient cheese grater is running El [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► Cap is it not it is and you got a little [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► present recently tell me about this I [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► didn't get it because I am installed it [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► but [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► Specter fixes have been backported all [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► the way back to El Capitan and Sierra [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► and of course High Sierra which is [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► extended what they usually do is they [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► back pour it to a few recent versions if [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► you watch are there back in that you [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► don't get the fix I almost don't want to [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► install the fixture so I can get that [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► extra speed which I said best really [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► need in my computer yeah this will push [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you over the edge yeah but I haven't [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► installed yet but anyway in case you're [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► wondering yes the the fix is backward I [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► already have a safari update which I [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► feel like is you know maybe just as [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► important because the main vector [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► through which unknown software runs on [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► my computer is probably the web browser [TS]

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00:11:21 ◼   ► we got some news over the last few days [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► we've gotten some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► we're gonna talk about that a little [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► later but perhaps more interestingly he [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► says with little confidence the home pod [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► has been officially officially announced [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► it will start shipping on February 9th [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► the pre-orders will open or I guess it's [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► not really pre-orders it doesn't matter [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► anyway the orders will open this coming [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► Friday which at this point may have [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► already happened by the time you're [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► listening to this and we don't really [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► know a whole heck of a lot else this is [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► the kind of product that theoretically I [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► should be excited about many of us I [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► think should be excited about this but [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► it just seems like it's had such a [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► clumsy release cycle and we know so [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► little about it that it's really hard to [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► get excited about it because it seems [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► like it's you know it's coming out late [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► and some key features we're not [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► launching yet they're they're coming you [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► know later this year or whatever and we [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► still don't really know much about it [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► there's still no reviews there are there [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► there's been no like you know hands on [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► or anything there was a very brief press [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► demo last last summer everybody see when [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► they announced it but it was extremely [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► limited there was no speak it was just [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► music playback so it was there's some [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► really big question marks about this [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► product that we just don't know yet now [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► we could we could listen back to this in [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► a few weeks from when people have this [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► and it's amazing and we could listen [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► back to anything we say now and be like [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► well they were so wrong we were so wrong [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► I can't believe that we all thought this [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► product would be weird or suck you know [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► it could turn out amazing we don't know [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► yet but it's just weird that there's [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► this product that I think a lot of us [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► thought would be a major product launch [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that is kind of just like stumbling out [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the door been in this clumsy fashion and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► it's gonna have launched incomplete in [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► its State on launch day there are so [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► many missing features and limitations [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that I think the potential market for it [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► not gonna be that big now over time as [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► they lift these limitations we'll see [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► you know it's probably gonna get popular [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► eventually it might not but but I think [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► the chances are more likely than not [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► that it will work long term it's just [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► weird that it's launching in such a in [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► such a clumsy fashion and in such an [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► incomplete state and I still question [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► why that had to be announced last summer [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► I don't question it that much because [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► like this is this was a market that [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► Apple has is late to like its other [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► competitors you know Amazon echo was [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► obviously the first let's all talk to [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► our cylinder and it was out there for a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► while before Google launched its clone [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► and now Google's been out for a while [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► and finally Apple and O's and those are [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► the big three tech companies and Apple [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► you know it took the longest to decide [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► yes we're gonna make a cylinder that you [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► talk to that connects to our streaming [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► music service right and so everyone else [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► has a big hit start on them everyone [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► else was shipping a couple of companies [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► have had multiple revisions and multiple [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► products and diversify their product [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► lines even Google has a big one and a [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► little one now and an even bigger one [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► that sounds fancy right so other [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► companies have not just done the product [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► for longer but I've had more revisions [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► and this is a case where it just seemed [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► to me that Apple [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► I mean apples very often late to market [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► right but in this case Apple it seemed [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► like it felt self-conscious like we're [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► late but we want you to know that we are [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► we do want to compete in our but we're [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► not ready yet so they had to like [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► pre-announce it no I think they pre they [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► didn't expect it to be this late right [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► so you make your bed you're like oh we [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► can announce this now we think it'll be [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► ready you know not that long from now [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► like within the window of like [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► reasonableness but obviously they [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► they've missed that window and it's [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► pretty darn late at this point and you [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► know how can it be late if they never [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► told you exactly when it would be [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► available just in terms of you know [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► practically speaking if you have a such [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► a limited pre announcement of a product [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► and then say nothing about it for like [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► six months [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► it's that's not good timing it's not [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► good PR you want to get people [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► interested about a product and slowly [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► dole out news building up to a launch [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► not kill people barely anything and then [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► don't say anything about it for many [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► many months that's it's just bad PR so [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► that's why that's why we say oh it feels [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► like it's late that if you had a choice [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► that's not how you do [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► a PR rollout so you know why did they [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► announce it so early if to me my read on [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► that is they felt pressure to get in get [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► their foot in the market ASAP put their [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► quarter on the videogame machine or [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► whatever's I've got next right we're [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► gonna be there and not just like in a [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► vague way but here's the actual thing [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► we're gonna ship it looks like this it [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► sounds like this it probably does other [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► things but don't ask us now right and [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► they had an opportunity to announce that [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► and so they did and I think that is you [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► know it's a sign it's an acknowledgement [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► that Apple agrees with us that they are [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► behind and laid in this market versus a [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► more confident Apple that could say yeah [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► other people have done stuff but we [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► think all the solutions they've done or [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► crappy and we don't feel any pressure to [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► tell you that we're gonna enter this [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► market we're gonna show you our awesome [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► thing I'm ready to see it doesn't matter [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► how late we are that's the other [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► strategy that could have taken and they [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► have with many other things but not with [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► this with this one they said we really [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► feel like we need to tell you that we're [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► gonna be in this market with this thing [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► so that is not a confident move that [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► doesn't that doesn't project confidence [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► anyway and what they had to demo was not [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► like they didn't have anything to say or [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► demo that knocked our socks off either [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► so it was kind of weird and now now that [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► they're gonna roll this thing out it's [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► like a major new product line that will [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► end up rolling out without Apple ever [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► having gone up on a stage and told us [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► all the things that this product can do [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► because they went up on a stage and told [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► us very limited things about this [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► product it's specifically about the [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► audio but not much else [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► and then many many months pass and then [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► here's the product right and people will [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► get you know reviews I'm sure they'll be [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► reviews coming out of the thing around [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► lunchtime or whatever but never did [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► Apple go up in any side of special press [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► presentation or anything and say let's [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► just run down everything about this they [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► do with all the phones with all the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► iPads even with most of the Macs here's [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► all the features here's all the specs [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► here's all the things about this thing [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► here's what it can do they never did [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► that for this product which is weird [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► even something like a hobby product like [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► the Apple TV they went up on stage and [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► said here's Apple TV you know this is [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► what it does this is what it looks like [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► this is how much [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► it runs you know Mac os10 point for [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► inside don't tell anybody it's mega was [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► ten ten point four enough to many tens [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► they didn't do that this product at all [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► so yeah I'm kind of a salmon Marco this [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► could be awesome and everybody could [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► love it and in particular if I'm trying [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► to think of how ways that this product [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► could be awesome that we are under [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► estimating right now is potentially just [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► the the hardware that this stuff that [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► Apple has shown they've shown like oh [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► it's got speakers and microphones and [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► blah blah blah well and and like they're [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► engineering in regards to audio and [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► sound quality in recent years has been [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► awesome like they have they've [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► dramatically improved the speaker's in [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► most of their products that have [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► speakers including the phones yeah [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► including the phones like like they [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► they've really done a lot in in the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► areas of audio and speaker engineering [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► recently so I have full confidence in in [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► their proclamations that it is going to [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► sound amazing that it is going to be [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► super advanced in the way it measures a [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► room and and bounce the sound off of [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► walls I bet it will sound amazing but [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► that is just one aspect of this product [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► and there are so many other ones that [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► either sound kind of bad or that are [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► just giant question marks yeah and like [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► the thing about this product is that I'm [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► trying to think of you know it does this [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► track with like the Apple TV they're [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► thinking about the Apple TV is they [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► didn't get the hardware right for a long [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► time they took the wrong approach the [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► wrong OS the wrong size there were you [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► know the really early one was like a [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► little bit too early the puck I think [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► they hit on with everybody else the the [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► better size and price for this kind of a [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► product then they took too long to come [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► up with 4k but now that they've settled [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► down like hardware wise it's reasonable [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► especially now that frame rate at frame [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► rate matching more on that in a little [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► bit with this product I feel like it's [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► possible that they have more or less [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► gotten the hardware right on the first [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► try that the the sound output looks [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► impressive and you know can justify the [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► price because it's got a lot of little [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► speakers and a lot of hardware to be [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► able to do all the magic to make it [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► sound good [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► I think it also has a lot of microphones [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► and it hopefully does a good job with [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► them which is the other important part [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► of this hardware it's clean and clear [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► stand about what it's supposed to be you [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► know not having a screen of any kind [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► it's basically speakers and a microphone [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► the software side is where we we know [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► they have gaps cuz there's features that [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► they they sort of talked about but Arnie [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► and I'm going to ship until later but it [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► is possible that Apple can essentially [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► slowly catch up without actually [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► revising this hardware but merely by [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► shipping regular software updates to [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► make this thing more and more capable [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► and improving Siri and all the other [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► stuff behind the scenes like in other [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► words do you think after the ship's [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► there will be some kind of pressing need [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► for a revised home pod I think this [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► hardware could potentially last a long [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► time they just have to update the [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► software so that's it's not ideal right [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► but it does mean that if they can sell [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► these things and then improve them over [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► time they can build up some loyalty by [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► people yeah I bought this product and it [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► was limited and now it gets better and [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► better as I use it and a year from now [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► they could be selling the quote-unquote [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► exact same home pod and it could be a [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► way better product than it is now [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► because I don't think that there's some [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► essential hardware feature that this [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► doesn't have and especially if the audio [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► is really good it could you know [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► certainly it will have better sound than [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► like the hundred dollar things like an [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► echo or a cheap Google home maybe it [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► will even have better sound then an even [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► more expensive Sonos it's just a matter [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► of them getting their software story [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► together and they can do that not at [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► their leisure but they can do that [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► without revising this product you know [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► essentially so I was gonna get one I [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► don't know I was just about to say like [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► I'm sure knowing me I will end up buying [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► one because this is the moment as always [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► I said I really think it's interesting [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► you have to visit we all have some [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► wonders but you so you're so under lists [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► so you need to also like until I have a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► way to interact with it as a developer I [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► don't think I'm gonna buy one because [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► there's not a place in my life where [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► this makes sense right now and and of [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► course that might change but right now [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► like given its current limitations like [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► one of the big things is yeah maybe you [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► can replace your TV's speakers with [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► it well you can't have a stereo pair yet [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► right so like because airplay to which [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► we'll get to in a little while [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► airplay to is not yet shipping so one of [TS]