The Accidental Tech Podcast

258: Non-Beta Data


01:00:00   at work yeah that's what I was curious [TS]

01:00:02   about too and I didn't know if I just [TS]

01:00:03   hadn't read the right documentation yet [TS]

01:00:05   or something but the thought of having [TS]

01:00:07   all of my health records from all of my [TS]

01:00:09   different health professionals all in [TS]

01:00:11   one spot all for me to be able to see [TS]

01:00:13   that genuinely sounds really awesome but [TS]

01:00:16   Color Me a little skeptical that that'll [TS]

01:00:18   actually be what ends up happening [TS]

01:00:20   because I mean look at Apple pay which [TS]

01:00:23   is a seemingly odd analogy to use but [TS]

01:00:25   like I feel like in America it's pulling [TS]

01:00:27   teeth to get an its to get a retailer to [TS]

01:00:29   use Apple pay and that's to give them [TS]

01:00:32   money and here it's like what is going [TS]

01:00:35   to encourage anyone insurance companies [TS]

01:00:38   or doctors or whomever to share medical [TS]

01:00:40   records I mean yeah there are records in [TS]

01:00:42   theory since it's our bodies etc etc but [TS]

01:00:45   I don't know I don't see any real [TS]

01:00:47   incentive to get health providers or [TS]

01:00:50   insurance companies or whatever to [TS]

01:00:51   provide this information to us well but [TS]

01:00:54   have them in government incentives to [TS]

01:00:55   make them adopt some of the things that [TS]

01:00:56   would make them potentially closer to [TS]

01:01:00   supporting this type of feature but not [TS]

01:01:03   anytime soon there won't be if there's [TS]

01:01:05   one thing that's true and they know [TS]

01:01:07   there has been in the past like the all [TS]

01:01:08   meaningful use thing then in past years [TS]

01:01:10   was to try to get you know medical [TS]

01:01:14   businesses in the u.s. to adopt [TS]

01:01:16   electronic health record stuff like who [TS]

01:01:19   knows how affect it was but anyway this [TS]

01:01:21   is one thing that's true about [TS]

01:01:22   healthcare in the u.s. is that getting [TS]

01:01:25   all of your medical anything anywhere is [TS]

01:01:27   basically impossible so I would love to [TS]

01:01:31   have all my medical stop stop right [TS]

01:01:32   there unless you were very very lucky [TS]

01:01:37   it's not gonna happen it's hard enough [TS]

01:01:39   to get any of your medical so if you are [TS]

01:01:43   astronomically lucky and all of your [TS]

01:01:46   health records happen to be at the tiny [TS]

01:01:48   subset of medical institutions and [TS]

01:01:51   providers that are participating in this [TS]

01:01:53   program yes you could have all of your [TS]

01:01:55   medical records in this thing but [TS]

01:01:57   chances are very very good that some of [TS]

01:02:00   your medical records will not be [TS]

01:02:02   participating in this and so it's just [TS]

01:02:04   an adoption problem so I I like to see [TS]

01:02:06   Apple tackling this and they're trying [TS]

01:02:07   to do it in a sort of you know agnostic [TS]

01:02:09   way using standard [TS]

01:02:11   protocols for interchange so it's not [TS]

01:02:12   like some Apple proprietary thing where [TS]

01:02:14   Apple has to convince everybody to adopt [TS]

01:02:16   some standards it's just that getting [TS]

01:02:18   all of any medical things in the US do [TS]

01:02:21   anything is very difficult because it's [TS]

01:02:22   a very diverse shall we say environment [TS]

01:02:25   of providers and technology expertise [TS]

01:02:29   and motivation and financial incentive [TS]

01:02:32   to support something like this all right [TS]

01:02:34   then John in the gifts just keep coming [TS]

01:02:36   for you you have El Capitan fixes that [TS]

01:02:39   you're choosing not to install and TV OS [TS]

01:02:42   11.3 has a new gift for you does it not [TS]

01:02:44   I really get from me because even though [TS]

01:02:46   I have an older Apple TV it's not hooked [TS]

01:02:50   up to a television set that I think can [TS]

01:02:52   even do 24 frames per second like its [TS]

01:02:54   cuts up to a crappy TV like a bedroom TV [TS]

01:02:57   right so anyway the one changed it is [TS]

01:02:59   most interesting to me in TV OS 11.3 [TS]

01:03:02   which is currently in beta is frame rate [TS]

01:03:04   matching which was previously only [TS]

01:03:06   supported on the Apple TV 4k is now [TS]

01:03:08   supported on the one that looks exactly [TS]

01:03:09   like the Apple TV 4k but isn't because [TS]

01:03:11   it doesn't have slots in the box that's [TS]

01:03:13   mine [TS]

01:03:13   yeah so now you get that feature too I [TS]

01:03:16   don't know I also don't know if you have [TS]

01:03:17   a television that condition was like [TS]

01:03:19   probably not almost sure I do not yeah [TS]

01:03:21   but that was the question before is like [TS]

01:03:22   why isn't this support is it some kind [TS]

01:03:24   of hardware limitation no they just [TS]

01:03:26   didn't get around to it software another [TS]

01:03:27   getting around to it so thumbs up for [TS]

01:03:28   that alright let's do some ask ATP some [TS]

01:03:33   guy I've never heard of Todd Vaziri [TS]

01:03:35   writes with your iPhone 10 experience [TS]

01:03:36   are there any signs that Apple intends [TS]

01:03:39   to unify 3d touch and a long press to [TS]

01:03:41   give the same result or do you feel it [TS]

01:03:43   that they have every intention of [TS]

01:03:44   keeping these two gestures separate and [TS]

01:03:46   distinctive I even looked at gesture [TS]

01:03:48   recognizers in a while and nor have I [TS]

01:03:50   really fiddled with 3d touch api's but [TS]

01:03:53   as far as I can tell and just as a user [TS]

01:03:55   it seems to me that it's pretty clearly [TS]

01:03:58   going to be kept separate but I don't [TS]

01:03:59   know marco have you been looking through [TS]

01:04:01   these api's more recently to have any [TS]

01:04:02   thoughts on this I I don't have any [TS]

01:04:04   thoughts I don't think it's gonna be [TS]

01:04:05   touched in any meaningful way I think [TS]

01:04:08   it's gonna stay the way it is now which [TS]

01:04:09   is basically like you know most things [TS]

01:04:11   are 3d touch or nothing and occasionally [TS]

01:04:15   one of the app developers either Apple [TS]

01:04:17   or third-party [TS]

01:04:18   will have some good idea oh you know we [TS]

01:04:20   should make this available with long [TS]

01:04:21   press eventually and then eventually [TS]

01:04:23   somebody does it but [TS]

01:04:24   it's probably gonna always be you know [TS]

01:04:26   3d touch first kind of like how the [TS]

01:04:28   clear all notifications thing remember [TS]

01:04:30   wasn't that 3d touch first and then [TS]

01:04:32   eventually they had a long press it's [TS]

01:04:33   probably gonna be like that that kind of [TS]

01:04:34   pattern I'm just like 3d touches first [TS]

01:04:37   long press if somebody gets to it but do [TS]

01:04:40   you think like I think part of this [TS]

01:04:41   question is like are the do the api's [TS]

01:04:43   make it look like there will ever be a [TS]

01:04:44   way to like you know coalesce them in [TS]

01:04:47   terms of you'd write an application to [TS]

01:04:48   handle one kind of event and both of [TS]

01:04:49   those things that happen on the screen [TS]

01:04:51   could funnel into one kind of event or [TS]

01:04:53   do you think the API still reflect the [TS]

01:04:54   fact that they are entirely separate [TS]

01:04:56   entirely separate I mean you could write [TS]

01:04:58   something like in your app that would [TS]

01:05:00   you know respond to either one alright [TS]

01:05:02   and you could write some kind of [TS]

01:05:03   reusable component to make that easier [TS]

01:05:05   to do but as far as I could tell Apple [TS]

01:05:07   has not moved in that direction at all I [TS]

01:05:09   could be wrong could I couldn't miss [TS]

01:05:10   something but I don't think so yeah I [TS]

01:05:11   don't think that we they're just like my [TS]

01:05:13   impression from the outside not looking [TS]

01:05:15   at the guys but just looking how they're [TS]

01:05:17   used is that I would go so far as to say [TS]

01:05:19   that Apple thinks there actually is an [TS]

01:05:21   important distinction between 3d touch [TS]

01:05:23   and long press that should be meaningful [TS]

01:05:24   in that UI and cases where they merely [TS]

01:05:26   say long press is just an affordance for [TS]

01:05:29   people who have devices about 3d per [TS]

01:05:31   touch are kind of in the minority like [TS]

01:05:33   it seems like especially as 3d touch [TS]

01:05:36   spreads to more and more device or at [TS]

01:05:37   least phones I know because they don't [TS]

01:05:38   have it on iPads the 3d touch is a [TS]

01:05:41   different thing than long press now and [TS]

01:05:44   it may still be an optional thing like [TS]

01:05:46   oh if you happen to have a device that [TS]

01:05:47   can support you can get this feature but [TS]

01:05:49   that is not it's not the same thing as [TS]

01:05:51   long press despite the fact a lot of [TS]

01:05:53   people like wish it was that it was just [TS]

01:05:54   more community long rest and and using [TS]

01:05:56   the phone from my perspective it feels [TS]

01:05:58   different to me I wouldn't want it to be [TS]

01:06:00   just an alternate way to do long press [TS]

01:06:01   because it just it just feels so very [TS]

01:06:04   different so I think I'm mostly on the [TS]

01:06:05   same page for the Apple here despite the [TS]

01:06:07   fact that it is somewhat confusing to [TS]

01:06:08   have to explain to people I I don't [TS]

01:06:10   think they're interchangeable they don't [TS]

01:06:11   feel interchangeable to me I tend to [TS]

01:06:14   agree [TS]

01:06:15   Alex writes what is their play to and [TS]

01:06:17   why is it so hard for both developers [TS]

01:06:19   and Apple to implement it so I guess [TS]

01:06:22   marco jumping whenever you're ready but [TS]

01:06:23   airplay to is it supposed to be [TS]

01:06:26   other than multi room stuff which you [TS]

01:06:27   can't really do with airplay one unless [TS]

01:06:29   you're using iTunes on a Mac is it [TS]

01:06:31   supposed to be kind of self-sufficient [TS]

01:06:33   where it's more like a Google chromecast [TS]

01:06:35   sort of scenario where you just tell it [TS]

01:06:37   hey go play this thing [TS]

01:06:38   over there and it does it all by itself [TS]

01:06:40   or is that completely wrong [TS]

01:06:41   that's how about halfway wrong it's so [TS]

01:06:43   so basically the way our play one worked [TS]

01:06:46   was kind of like it's not that different [TS]

01:06:50   from like how Bluetooth audio works just [TS]

01:06:52   done over Wi-Fi it is you know what they [TS]

01:06:54   call basically a real-time protocol just [TS]

01:06:56   a stream that you screaming to the [TS]

01:06:58   airplay one device there is a fixed [TS]

01:07:00   latency that all airplay one devices [TS]

01:07:02   have of two seconds and everything goes [TS]

01:07:05   over that same stream that same latency [TS]

01:07:07   audio gets streamed at that rate [TS]

01:07:08   commands like play pause or seek get [TS]

01:07:11   streamed at that rate that's why with an [TS]

01:07:12   airplay speaker if you hit pause in your [TS]

01:07:14   phone it takes two seconds before it [TS]

01:07:15   actually pauses and so it was a simpler [TS]

01:07:18   protocol it was launched forever ago and [TS]

01:07:21   you know back then things had to be [TS]

01:07:23   simpler for just technical practicality [TS]

01:07:25   reasons so airplay one very simple [TS]

01:07:28   protocol what you're alluding to Casey [TS]

01:07:30   how how Sonos and the Google cast [TS]

01:07:32   protocols usually work is basically like [TS]

01:07:36   the speaker in those cases or like the [TS]

01:07:39   the casted to device is controlling and [TS]

01:07:44   and playing the whatever the media is [TS]

01:07:47   itself it isn't having a device send it [TS]

01:07:49   a stream of media in most cases the the [TS]

01:07:52   Sonos speaker or google chromecast [TS]

01:07:54   whatever is given like a URL and say [TS]

01:07:57   play play the file here and the client [TS]

01:08:01   applications are basically giving it [TS]

01:08:02   commands whenever they feel like it okay [TS]

01:08:04   pause it now play this thing instead or [TS]

01:08:06   whatever else but the advantage of a [TS]

01:08:08   system like that is your phone or [TS]

01:08:11   whatever is streaming the audio from or [TS]

01:08:14   causing the audio to be streamed is not [TS]

01:08:16   actually really involved in the [TS]

01:08:18   real-time playback so like the example [TS]

01:08:20   that that look that is often given is [TS]

01:08:22   like if you go out and take out the [TS]

01:08:24   trash during a party and your phone is [TS]

01:08:26   is what's telling Sonos to play this [TS]

01:08:28   playlist when you leave your houses of [TS]

01:08:31   Wi-Fi for 30 seconds the music isn't [TS]

01:08:33   gonna stop it's gonna keep playing [TS]

01:08:35   because your phone is simply giving a [TS]

01:08:36   command sometimes when you tell it to [TS]

01:08:38   it isn't streaming the audio itself the [TS]

01:08:40   you know the device for so notice in [TS]

01:08:42   Google class or whatever is is getting [TS]

01:08:44   the audio itself over the network and [TS]

01:08:46   only just doing what your phone tells it [TS]

01:08:48   to when it's time to make changes [TS]

01:08:49   airplay never worked that way airplay [TS]

01:08:51   was always [TS]

01:08:52   real-time streamed from the source [TS]

01:08:54   device to the speaker question yeah home [TS]

01:08:57   pod literature or whatever PR literature [TS]

01:09:01   makes that claim about it that that it [TS]

01:09:05   you that it's just pulling the music [TS]

01:09:07   from Apple music not pulling it from [TS]

01:09:08   your phone but it doesn't currently [TS]

01:09:10   support airplay - yes so there's there's [TS]

01:09:13   a few different things here so that what [TS]

01:09:16   the home pot is doing with Apple music [TS]

01:09:17   first of all I believe that applies only [TS]

01:09:19   to Apple music and that is because the [TS]

01:09:22   home pod does appear from what they're [TS]

01:09:23   saying to be a native Apple music client [TS]

01:09:26   in the sense that you can ask it to play [TS]

01:09:28   something from Apple music I don't know [TS]

01:09:30   if your phone is involved in the Siri [TS]

01:09:32   request itself but once it is playing it [TS]

01:09:36   does sound like I can just keep playing [TS]

01:09:37   without your phone's presence so that is [TS]

01:09:40   a separate thing that's not involving [TS]

01:09:41   airplay too though [TS]

01:09:42   so what airplay to does is kind of just [TS]

01:09:46   a halfway point between these are kind [TS]

01:09:48   of like a better airplay one so what it [TS]

01:09:50   lets you do is buffer for much larger [TS]

01:09:53   chunks of data and what Apple said in [TS]

01:09:55   the UC session about it they said [TS]

01:09:58   basically think minutes instead of [TS]

01:10:00   seconds and it lets you buffer faster [TS]

01:10:03   than real time so you know airplay one [TS]

01:10:05   was a fixed two-second latency [TS]

01:10:07   everywhere the streaming device supplied [TS]

01:10:09   the audio in real time the playing [TS]

01:10:11   device played it in real time there's a [TS]

01:10:12   two-second buffer on the playing device [TS]

01:10:14   airplay to the streaming device is asked [TS]

01:10:18   to supply the audio as fast as it can [TS]

01:10:20   faster than real time until the buffer [TS]

01:10:22   fills up and so your airplay to client [TS]

01:10:25   program that's playing media has to be [TS]

01:10:28   able to feed the buffer a lot like you [TS]

01:10:31   know 5 minutes or 10 minutes or whatever [TS]

01:10:32   it is of the future audio and then the [TS]

01:10:35   playing device maintains that buffer and [TS]

01:10:38   plays it in real time and notifies you [TS]

01:10:40   of you know what point it has reached in [TS]

01:10:43   playback and so this changes a bunch of [TS]

01:10:46   things this is a really big foundational [TS]

01:10:50   change to how this works there are a [TS]

01:10:52   number of big advantages so number one [TS]

01:10:53   is that scenario of taking out the [TS]

01:10:55   grabbers during a party as long as [TS]

01:10:58   you're not taking like 20 minutes [TS]

01:10:59   outside to take the garbage out in which [TS]

01:11:00   case I would say you have to think about [TS]

01:11:02   your a home layout that's too much of a [TS]

01:11:06   trip [TS]

01:11:06   you know it should be fine you should [TS]

01:11:09   get back inside in time for that you [TS]

01:11:11   know minutes long buffer the two do not [TS]

01:11:14   have to under run itself also you know [TS]

01:11:17   in as we talked about during Euro ads [TS]

01:11:19   like a lot of times like places in your [TS]

01:11:21   house are kind of Wi-Fi dead zones and [TS]

01:11:23   so the same problem with that was like [TS]

01:11:25   there's lots of like common scenarios [TS]

01:11:27   where like if your airplane anybody [TS]

01:11:28   who's ever done airplay hasn't you know [TS]

01:11:30   you know this because this has probably [TS]

01:11:32   happened to you at some point where like [TS]

01:11:33   you know the person with the phone is [TS]

01:11:34   walking around somewhere and drops out [TS]

01:11:36   arrange for a second and the music stops [TS]

01:11:37   or skips or whatever also another big [TS]

01:11:39   advantage of this of breaking it out of [TS]

01:11:41   that like fixed latency model is that [TS]

01:11:44   commands to change so play pause seek [TS]

01:11:47   commands those can happen faster than [TS]

01:11:50   that two-second buffer those can happen [TS]

01:11:52   basically as quickly as the as the [TS]

01:11:53   device receives and processes them so [TS]

01:11:55   like any other Wi-Fi command in your [TS]

01:11:57   house so it can be really fast so way [TS]

01:11:59   faster way more responsive playback [TS]

01:12:01   controls as well as that long super long [TS]

01:12:03   buffer and it's also airplay one did [TS]

01:12:08   support multi-room audio in some way I'm [TS]

01:12:11   not familiar with the details of how it [TS]

01:12:13   coordinated it but I think only iTunes [TS]

01:12:17   on the Mac could ever really officially [TS]

01:12:19   be the source for that there was never a [TS]

01:12:21   way for it to have an iOS device as the [TS]

01:12:24   source of multi-room audio with airplay [TS]

01:12:26   one airplay to that is now possible you [TS]

01:12:28   cannot do multi-room audio with the iOS [TS]

01:12:31   device as the source of that so that's [TS]

01:12:33   another big change I don't really know [TS]

01:12:35   what has changed by the protocol to [TS]

01:12:36   allow that but I'm sure it's I'm sure [TS]

01:12:37   there's a good reason also because the [TS]

01:12:41   playback buffering and the media supply [TS]

01:12:44   has been separated from the command [TS]

01:12:47   interface of like play pause you can now [TS]

01:12:50   have multiple devices in your house [TS]

01:12:52   being able to control the play pause [TS]

01:12:55   type controls of a stream it's playing [TS]

01:12:58   from not them so like you and your [TS]

01:13:01   spouse can both have play pause control [TS]

01:13:04   over the music playing from only one of [TS]

01:13:07   your phones to the airplay to speaker so [TS]

01:13:09   also you know fun stuff there's also [TS]

01:13:10   separation now of phone call status from [TS]

01:13:14   airplay so you can for instance take a [TS]

01:13:17   phone call on your phone that is air [TS]

01:13:19   playing music to a speak [TS]

01:13:20   and the music continues to play back on [TS]

01:13:22   that speaker while you're on the phone [TS]

01:13:23   call that didn't happen before so this [TS]

01:13:26   and so this is all a lot of major [TS]

01:13:28   changes and this is I think one of the [TS]

01:13:30   reasons why this is taking so long - and [TS]

01:13:32   wide airplay - seems to be the big delay [TS]

01:13:34   for the home pod this is tons of new iOS [TS]

01:13:38   api's tons of new background processes [TS]

01:13:42   and changes to fundamental things in iOS [TS]

01:13:44   to make all this happen also on the [TS]

01:13:49   device side on the speaker side you now [TS]

01:13:52   have this you know long buffering [TS]

01:13:55   mechanism and that's much more complex [TS]

01:13:57   than before you know I'm sure Apple has [TS]

01:14:00   some kind of component or a library or [TS]

01:14:02   something that they will sell [TS]

01:14:03   manufacturers to make this easier on [TS]

01:14:06   them to you know to kind of automate [TS]

01:14:08   this for them would be like a drop in [TS]

01:14:09   component or something but it's more [TS]

01:14:12   complex than airplay one was by a lot [TS]

01:14:15   and even airplay one the client [TS]

01:14:17   implementations tended to suck that [TS]

01:14:19   weren't apples like there was like one [TS]

01:14:21   airplay chip that every airplay speaker [TS]

01:14:22   used and it sucked it was unreliable and [TS]

01:14:25   it was terrible so I'm guessing the [TS]

01:14:27   delay in the speaker availability is [TS]

01:14:29   because this is more complex and you [TS]

01:14:32   know maybe maybe the industry was caught [TS]

01:14:33   off guard a little bit who knows maybe [TS]

01:14:35   maybe Apple hasn't actually really [TS]

01:14:37   finished it yet and they're just not [TS]

01:14:38   saying that but either way it's a [TS]

01:14:40   complex protocol and then on the [TS]

01:14:42   software side on the iOS side and [TS]

01:14:45   probably the home pod side this is [TS]

01:14:48   complex III ran into some of this [TS]

01:14:50   complexity when I started looking at [TS]

01:14:51   these api's for overcast and the main [TS]

01:14:54   complexity here is these streaming the [TS]

01:14:58   music to the buffer is now disconnected [TS]

01:15:04   from what time stamp or even like what [TS]

01:15:07   track is actually playing at that moment [TS]

01:15:10   because you can read ahead by so far [TS]

01:15:12   like before with the old airplay one [TS]

01:15:15   model whatever function in your app [TS]

01:15:17   supplied the audio to the output stream [TS]

01:15:20   could notify the app as that happened [TS]

01:15:23   you're now at timestamp one you're now [TS]

01:15:25   at timestamp two and as soon as it [TS]

01:15:27   played through a track you can say this [TS]

01:15:28   track has finished playing you're now [TS]

01:15:30   playing this next track now it can [TS]

01:15:32   buffer so far ahead of real time [TS]

01:15:34   that the production of the audio in your [TS]

01:15:37   app the thing that is supplying the [TS]

01:15:38   audio has to be a separate thing [TS]

01:15:41   entirely from what parts of your app [TS]

01:15:44   manage what time stamp it's playing at [TS]

01:15:47   and what track is currently playing and [TS]

01:15:49   they they've moved all that out now to [TS]

01:15:51   this new like synchronizer object that [TS]

01:15:53   you need so like none of this is like [TS]

01:15:55   difficult to to deal with but it's [TS]

01:15:57   different it's it's a major change from [TS]

01:15:59   the way it used to work and there's also [TS]

01:16:01   things like like for instance if you if [TS]

01:16:04   your app has like a concept of like a [TS]

01:16:05   playlist and an item that is coming up [TS]

01:16:09   it's changed say the user deletes an [TS]

01:16:11   entry in a playlist or reorder as a [TS]

01:16:13   playlist and that part has already been [TS]

01:16:15   buffered you now have to tell the buffer [TS]

01:16:17   thing oh and everything after this [TS]

01:16:19   timestamp is now different reload it so [TS]

01:16:21   there's there's all sorts of big and [TS]

01:16:24   small changes like that needed to adopt [TS]

01:16:25   this kind of model and none of them are [TS]

01:16:28   difficult or impossible it's just a lot [TS]

01:16:31   of things to deal with it's a lot of [TS]

01:16:33   change a lot of potential for new bugs [TS]

01:16:35   or not realizing that old bugs were [TS]

01:16:37   really bugs and so it's like even doing [TS]

01:16:41   it for overcast is a is a pretty major [TS]

01:16:43   undertaking that I'm nowhere near done [TS]

01:16:45   with I've only done like the early [TS]

01:16:48   stages of it and now can I put on the [TS]

01:16:49   back burner because now I know that it's [TS]

01:16:51   not going to be imminent and I have more [TS]

01:16:53   pressing things I want to do but it's a [TS]

01:16:55   big change to audio applications and to [TS]

01:16:59   these systems in iOS that manage them so [TS]

01:17:01   I think there's very very good [TS]

01:17:04   justification for airplay - to be late [TS]

01:17:08   and for Apple to be running behind I [TS]

01:17:10   think they should have probably [TS]

01:17:11   anticipated it better and plan for it [TS]

01:17:13   better but oh well they're all this is [TS]

01:17:15   just to say that technically speaking [TS]

01:17:16   this is a nice improvement it is also a [TS]

01:17:19   really big job so it's totally [TS]

01:17:21   reasonable for it to be like you know [TS]

01:17:24   harder than they might have predicted or [TS]

01:17:25   taking longer than they predicted you [TS]

01:17:28   have a fun class of bugs like you could [TS]

01:17:29   have a bug based on what you described [TS]

01:17:31   where the speaker is playing a song but [TS]

01:17:34   but your your player application on your [TS]

01:17:37   phone indicates that it's playing a [TS]

01:17:38   different song so I can it goes to the [TS]

01:17:40   next track you didn't do that [TS]

01:17:41   synchronization thing that you said oh [TS]

01:17:42   by the way they've deleted something the [TS]

01:17:44   your phone will say I'm happily playing [TS]

01:17:46   song a and you [TS]

01:17:47   hearing a totally different song comes [TS]

01:17:49   through the speaker you'd be like this [TS]

01:17:50   thing is totally broken how does that [TS]

01:17:51   even happen well now we know how it [TS]

01:17:53   happens yeah or like as it starts [TS]

01:17:55   buffering if you didn't do the time [TS]

01:17:57   stamp you know change of how it reports [TS]

01:17:58   what time you're playing until then like [TS]

01:18:00   you can have it if you watch your time [TS]

01:18:02   thing in the app you started playing to [TS]

01:18:04   a speaker and your time starts racing [TS]

01:18:06   ahead by like 10 minutes all of a sudden [TS]

01:18:08   but you're not hearing at that fast like [TS]

01:18:10   there's so many or like it races to the [TS]

01:18:13   end and deletes the file because so it's [TS]

01:18:15   played already gone like there's there's [TS]

01:18:18   a lot of potential for big and small [TS]

01:18:21   bugs here in your application if they [TS]

01:18:23   change the playback speed midstream you [TS]

01:18:25   have to invalidate everything that you [TS]

01:18:26   freeze the uploaded at the other speed [TS]

01:18:28   yep or if they toggle off smart speed [TS]

01:18:31   yep anything or if you seek I think if [TS]

01:18:34   you I don't think it actually does in [TS]

01:18:36   the current protocol I'm not sure [TS]

01:18:37   actually does seeking anyway and you [TS]

01:18:40   know what concern I have too is like [TS]

01:18:41   this stuff is all so early and so [TS]

01:18:43   complex and such a big undertaking I'm [TS]

01:18:46   not sure I want to devote a whole bunch [TS]

01:18:49   of time to changing my entire audio [TS]

01:18:52   engine to support this before I know [TS]

01:18:54   that the API is solid and given that [TS]

01:18:58   Apple is delaying their own airplay to [TS]

01:19:00   stuff and I'm kind of worried that maybe [TS]

01:19:02   the API is not done yet or not baked yet [TS]

01:19:04   so in it there's another reason why I've [TS]

01:19:07   kind of paused my work on this for now [TS]

01:19:10   yeah I could end up like crashing your [TS]

01:19:13   application in scenarios where their [TS]

01:19:14   person is not even using airplay to just [TS]

01:19:16   because of how you had to rejigger the [TS]

01:19:17   internals which is not a great thing to [TS]

01:19:19   happen all right what are we in the [TS]

01:19:21   middle of were in the middle of SKT P [TS]

01:19:23   right yep okay and rule in limb penning [TS]

01:19:27   rights could John please detail his [TS]

01:19:29   method for reading extremely long soft [TS]

01:19:31   Carver boats without ruining spine where [TS]

01:19:33   the hell did this even come from what [TS]

01:19:35   about some other podcast that I'm on [TS]

01:19:38   that and repair business do I discussed [TS]

01:19:40   this I think you two should know about [TS]

01:19:43   it too in the long history of weird [TS]

01:19:45   things that have anyway I I when I was [TS]

01:19:47   younger I had a lot of books like paper [TS]

01:19:51   books before I got on the book bandwagon [TS]

01:19:52   and I had a lot of paperback books when [TS]

01:19:55   I was younger and some of them are [TS]

01:19:58   really thick because I'm big Stephen [TS]

01:19:59   King fan and [TS]

01:20:00   books are long and eventually I got into [TS]

01:20:03   books as a thing that you can buy like [TS]

01:20:05   sort of a physical object in addition to [TS]

01:20:08   the words that they contain in fact I'm [TS]

01:20:09   still like that I read e-books mostly [TS]

01:20:11   but I still like physical books often I [TS]

01:20:13   will buy a physical book but still read [TS]

01:20:14   the e-book anyway we've got a lot of [TS]

01:20:17   soft covers and I like them I got a lot [TS]

01:20:19   of series that had cool spines I put [TS]

01:20:21   them up all on my shelf arranged them [TS]

01:20:22   they looked nice pretty soon after [TS]

01:20:25   getting my first collection of [TS]

01:20:27   paperbacks I decided that didn't like [TS]

01:20:28   how the books looked when the spines [TS]

01:20:30   were broken if you opened up a paperback [TS]

01:20:31   really wide the nice printed spine on it [TS]

01:20:35   will get a big white you know crease or [TS]

01:20:37   crack on it and if you read the book [TS]

01:20:38   eventually you have cracks going up and [TS]

01:20:40   down the whole spine anyone who has had [TS]

01:20:41   a big thick paperback book knows about [TS]

01:20:44   this so I didn't like that so eventually [TS]

01:20:46   I decided I'm going to read all myself [TS]

01:20:48   cover books no matter how thick they are [TS]

01:20:50   without breaking the spine and that's [TS]

01:20:53   what this question is about how do you [TS]

01:20:54   do that [TS]

01:20:55   unfortunately for Andrew the answer is [TS]

01:20:57   exactly how you would think you do that [TS]

01:20:59   you don't open the book really wide you [TS]

01:21:03   support the spine with your fingers [TS]

01:21:05   behind it and you open it a crack [TS]

01:21:07   anybody like how are you gonna read an [TS]

01:21:08   entire literally eight hundred page book [TS]

01:21:11   peeking into this tiny crevice to read [TS]

01:21:14   the text out of the you know like it you [TS]

01:21:17   know there is no secret the secret you [TS]

01:21:19   know like the technique is put your [TS]

01:21:21   fingers on the back of the spine so you [TS]

01:21:22   can feel what's happening at the back of [TS]

01:21:24   that spine and open it as wide as you [TS]

01:21:26   can before it greases and just be really [TS]

01:21:28   really careful and I don't think that's [TS]

01:21:30   a particularly fun way I read I think [TS]

01:21:31   people should buy ebooks because they're [TS]

01:21:32   way better than paper books but paper [TS]

01:21:34   books you're beautiful so you should [TS]

01:21:35   still buy them and collect them and [TS]

01:21:36   display them so how do you use an iPhone [TS]

01:21:38   without scratching it well you keep it [TS]

01:21:40   in a small felt pouch every single time [TS]

01:21:44   you use it you never actually in the [TS]

01:21:51   pouch ever yeah but what could possibly [TS]

01:21:55   be more convenient than the pouch is [TS]

01:21:59   awesome I like here's the thing about I [TS]

01:22:01   originally I'd started doing it for the [TS]

01:22:03   reason you you noted for like scratch [TS]

01:22:05   ability but I have come to appreciate [TS]

01:22:06   the fingerprint like I don't I don't [TS]

01:22:08   ever have to clean off my phone screen [TS]

01:22:10   which is apparently things a lot of [TS]

01:22:11   people have to do or their phone screens [TS]

01:22:12   look [TS]

01:22:13   gusting because every time it goes in [TS]

01:22:14   and out of my pouch it gets cleaned of [TS]

01:22:16   course and when it stays in there and it [TS]

01:22:18   rubs around like it's a microfiber thing [TS]

01:22:20   it is always cleaning my phone screen [TS]

01:22:21   that's nice [TS]

01:22:23   so a year of using my jet-black iPhone 7 [TS]

01:22:25   and you know how much should ever matter [TS]

01:22:27   how scratched it was not at all [TS]

01:22:29   you know how much I ever noticed zero at [TS]

01:22:32   the back I'm talking about talking about [TS]

01:22:33   the front actually you know what case on [TS]

01:22:35   that so I don't care about the back I [TS]

01:22:36   actually do have a small problem with [TS]

01:22:38   the iPhone 10 I'm getting scratches on [TS]

01:22:41   my screen really on the front yeah why [TS]

01:22:43   from what I don't know like they're [TS]

01:22:45   they're not like deep scratches but you [TS]

01:22:47   know when the light hits certain angle [TS]

01:22:48   you can see them and I think I think I [TS]

01:22:50   heard from a few other people that they [TS]

01:22:51   were having a similar issue like I've [TS]

01:22:53   never had I phone screen scratches that [TS]

01:22:55   noticeable I'm getting scratches on my [TS]

01:22:57   iPhone 10 like already so I don't know I [TS]

01:23:00   don't know what's up they like micro [TS]

01:23:01   like a very micro scratches like maybe [TS]

01:23:03   they're just scratches in the sort of [TS]

01:23:05   oleophobic whatever coating and not like [TS]

01:23:08   actually in the class [TS]

01:23:09   maybe I mean I get like they they don't [TS]

01:23:11   look deep like you can't see them at all [TS]

01:23:13   angles if you turn the screen off [TS]

01:23:15   they're pretty they're pretty noticeable [TS]

01:23:16   mm-hmm that's interesting anyway I don't [TS]

01:23:18   have any online pouch it's an answer it [TS]

01:23:24   may not be the answer but it is an [TS]

01:23:27   answer I will concede it is an answer on [TS]

01:23:29   the back of my jet-black iPhone 7 I'm [TS]

01:23:31   sure its pristine underneath my leather [TS]

01:23:33   case good for it I'm sure that's that's [TS]

01:23:35   gonna really be it's gonna really matter [TS]

01:23:37   a long term yeah but I've already [TS]

01:23:39   decided that I'm not speaking of keeping [TS]

01:23:41   phones pristine I'm not gonna give my my [TS]

01:23:45   any of my kids this iPhone 7 like I [TS]

01:23:48   handed down my iPhone 6 and you know god [TS]

01:23:51   knows what my son is doing to it for the [TS]

01:23:52   7 I'm like no no we'll buy you like an [TS]

01:23:55   iPhone se use or something but we're not [TS]

01:23:57   you're not getting my 7 I spent all this [TS]

01:23:58   time keeping it pristine like this is [TS]

01:24:01   this I put my iPhone 7 I think is in the [TS]

01:24:03   category of like my ac30 in my 2008 Mac [TS]

01:24:05   Pro I really like this phone I mean I [TS]

01:24:08   grant I've only had two iPhones but this [TS]

01:24:09   is by far my favorite like there's [TS]

01:24:12   nothing about it that is bad even the [TS]

01:24:15   lack of that phone port like I've you [TS]

01:24:16   know I think as iPhone 7 is great and [TS]

01:24:19   I'm now appreciating it as my last like [TS]

01:24:21   pre iPhone 10 not [TS]

01:24:23   era of Apple phone you know yeah it [TS]

01:24:26   honestly like you know as we talked [TS]

01:24:28   about it in our iPhone 7 exit interview [TS]

01:24:30   segment I like looking back on it like I [TS]

01:24:33   don't want to go back to it because I [TS]

01:24:34   like the 10 too much but that really was [TS]

01:24:37   a great phone like David really it was [TS]

01:24:40   it was a great phone yeah and it's great [TS]

01:24:42   too and everything but you know [TS]

01:24:43   overshadowed by the tensile be like and [TS]

01:24:45   I didn't get the 8 right so I've got the [TS]

01:24:46   7 and this is my phone that like hit the [TS]

01:24:48   sweet spot of like the culmination of a [TS]

01:24:50   long evolution of a particular phone [TS]

01:24:51   factor before Apple took a hard left [TS]

01:24:53   turn to iPhone Penland also like the 8 [TS]

01:24:55   doesn't have the jet black finish and [TS]

01:24:57   that to me was a critical part of why [TS]

01:24:58   the 7 was so awesome because it so [TS]

01:25:00   dramatically improved and changed the [TS]

01:25:01   feel of the phone like it really gave [TS]

01:25:04   that awesome caseless grip that I miss I [TS]

01:25:08   you know the iPhone 10 is better than [TS]

01:25:11   like the previous aluminum ones but it's [TS]

01:25:14   still not as good as the iPhone 7 grip [TS]

01:25:16   but I like the rest of it so I'm keeping [TS]

01:25:19   it I guess even though my screen is [TS]

01:25:20   scratched anyway thanks to our sponsors [TS]

01:25:23   this week Casper betterment and SRC and [TS]

01:25:25   we will talk to you next week now the [TS]

01:25:30   show is over [TS]

01:25:32   they didn't even mean to begin as it was [TS]

01:25:35   accidental [TS]

01:25:39   [Music] [TS]

01:25:41   the only research Margaux and Casey [TS]

01:25:43   wouldn't let him because it was [TS]

01:25:46   accidentally was accidental and you can [TS]

01:25:52   find the show notes at ADP CAS pyl ISS [TS]

01:26:05   so that's Casey less and a are Co a RM [TS]

01:26:09   auntie Marco Arment SI r AC Syracuse [TS]

01:26:23   I I really I do this every year I guess [TS]

01:26:33   this is my my lose weight kind of New [TS]

01:26:37   Year's resolution even though it's not a [TS]

01:26:39   resolution it's just something I remind [TS]

01:26:41   myself of every year and every year you [TS]

01:26:43   know January comes around I remind [TS]

01:26:44   myself you know what you should really [TS]

01:26:46   be less negative Casey up on the [TS]

01:26:49   internet and stop complaining and [TS]

01:26:50   moaning about things which I don't think [TS]

01:26:51   I do [TS]

01:26:53   overwhelmingly but I do probably more [TS]

01:26:55   than I should and then something like [TS]

01:26:57   this happens I see a news report saying [TS]

01:27:01   BMW is going to charge $80 a year for a [TS]

01:27:07   subscription of carplay $80 for a [TS]

01:27:10   subscription of carplay that involves no [TS]

01:27:13   like cloud services or anything like [TS]

01:27:15   that of any sort [TS]

01:27:16   it's just $80 for them to not cut you [TS]

01:27:18   off for the thing in your car yeah what [TS]

01:27:23   what huh there's a number of angles to [TS]

01:27:28   this so like a few people asked when [TS]

01:27:30   this first came out like well do we know [TS]

01:27:32   like his Apple charging them dearly and [TS]

01:27:33   we don't have a firm answer on that [TS]

01:27:37   apparently somebody heard from some car [TS]

01:27:40   maker that Apple does not charge fees [TS]

01:27:42   for car play and there certainly is not [TS]

01:27:44   an annual fee Apple did say so [TS]

01:27:46   according to Gruber this is website [TS]

01:27:49   Gruber says I've now received the [TS]

01:27:51   following clarification from Apple there [TS]

01:27:53   is no fee for OEMs for either MFI or [TS]

01:27:57   carplay integration there never has been [TS]

01:27:58   and and then every will to my knowledge [TS]

01:28:00   there are no plans to this change there [TS]

01:28:02   is no royalty costs or ongoing costs the [TS]

01:28:04   only cost automakers are those necessary [TS]

01:28:06   to create the hardware this includes an [TS]

01:28:08   authentication chip alright that's good [TS]

01:28:09   okay so anyway so that rules that out [TS]

01:28:11   but anyway so this does solve a problem [TS]

01:28:16   I don't think it solves it in the right [TS]

01:28:18   way but there there is a problem that [TS]

01:28:22   BMWs as you know case you from having [TS]

01:28:24   bought them especially I have about them [TS]

01:28:26   used certain options like this there are [TS]

01:28:29   options at you know I purchased when the [TS]

01:28:31   car is new and you can't add them later [TS]

01:28:32   the car play there's not much reason [TS]

01:28:36   like it's like a three [TS]

01:28:37   hundred dollar option normally before [TS]

01:28:38   this thing there's not a lot of reason [TS]

01:28:41   that they had to charge three hundred [TS]

01:28:43   extra dollars they're just doing it [TS]

01:28:44   because they can because cars like this [TS]

01:28:47   you know luxury cars especially they [TS]

01:28:50   charge money for every little thing [TS]

01:28:52   anything if you want like they've [TS]

01:28:54   offered for years now they've offered [TS]

01:28:56   like wireless phone charging where they [TS]

01:28:58   just put basically a Qi charger in the [TS]

01:28:59   armrest and they charge you like $700 or [TS]

01:29:02   some obscene thing for that like that's [TS]

01:29:04   just the game here when you're buying a [TS]

01:29:06   high-end car like this many of the [TS]

01:29:08   brands will nickel and dime you to death [TS]

01:29:10   over stuff that does not cost them that [TS]

01:29:12   much to add but they have a captive [TS]

01:29:13   audience you know it's just like buying [TS]

01:29:15   a beer at a baseball stadium it's a [TS]

01:29:16   captive audience [TS]

01:29:17   you're already spending a lot of money [TS]

01:29:18   they know that they can get more out of [TS]

01:29:21   people if they do this so you know that [TS]

01:29:24   I I don't really fault them for charging [TS]

01:29:26   separately for this I think it's a [TS]

01:29:29   crappy luxury experience that not every [TS]

01:29:31   BMW has carplay like a lot of other [TS]

01:29:33   manufacturers all of their cars now have [TS]

01:29:35   carplay or all of certain model lines [TS]

01:29:38   have it BMWs not doing that that creates [TS]

01:29:41   a problem if you're looking for a used [TS]

01:29:43   one and this is a fairly minor feature [TS]

01:29:46   distinction so if you're looking at used [TS]

01:29:48   BMWs or if you have acquired a used BMW [TS]

01:29:50   it might be difficult to find one that [TS]

01:29:53   has carplay or you might not know until [TS]

01:29:55   you actually go visit one of the dealer [TS]

01:29:57   whether the one you're looking at has [TS]

01:29:59   carplay or not there is a problem that [TS]

01:30:01   they are now solving that now you can [TS]

01:30:04   add carplay so I think you can actually [TS]

01:30:09   like if a car was sold without it and [TS]

01:30:10   you go buy it use and you want it I [TS]

01:30:12   think you can add it by starting to pay [TS]

01:30:14   this fee that's not a great solution to [TS]

01:30:16   that problem there are way better [TS]

01:30:18   solutions like honestly you know a [TS]

01:30:21   decent a well spec BMW cost like over 40 [TS]

01:30:23   grand most of the time you can throw in [TS]

01:30:25   car play but at no additional charge [TS]

01:30:27   like there this is this is the kind of [TS]

01:30:29   thing like you know the brakes aren't [TS]

01:30:31   optional you know the like that like the [TS]

01:30:34   air conditioning now comes standard like [TS]

01:30:36   you know I think car plays is really [TS]

01:30:39   very quickly becoming one of those [TS]

01:30:40   features where like people just expect [TS]

01:30:42   that like it's weird if you don't have [TS]

01:30:44   it on a nice car these days so they [TS]

01:30:48   should really include it on all the cars [TS]

01:30:50   and not [TS]

01:30:51   charge you this dumphy one of the [TS]

01:30:52   analogies I heard was like and in cheap [TS]

01:30:55   to mid price hotels the Wi-Fi is free [TS]

01:30:57   but in fancy hotels they charge you for [TS]

01:30:59   it that is definitely not true they [TS]

01:31:02   charge you for it every no like that's [TS]

01:31:06   I've heard that saying before and I have [TS]

01:31:08   experienced some of that where main [TS]

01:31:10   places I've seen free Wi-Fi are not in [TS]

01:31:13   the fanciest hotels but kind of in the [TS]

01:31:15   mid tier ones but once you get fancy [TS]

01:31:17   they're like well you're already paying [TS]

01:31:18   so much for the room anyway we'll just [TS]

01:31:19   add this charge on for the wife yeah [TS]

01:31:21   well and also like you know [TS]

01:31:22   see also iCloud storage plans like what [TS]

01:31:24   we talked about earlier there's this is [TS]

01:31:26   a captive audience [TS]

01:31:27   right like iCloud storage cells not [TS]

01:31:29   because it's a great deal but because [TS]

01:31:31   you kind of want it it makes the [TS]

01:31:33   experience way better and what else you [TS]

01:31:35   gonna do like this is all system [TS]

01:31:37   integration stuff it's like if you want [TS]

01:31:39   this experience in the native first [TS]

01:31:40   party way that works with everything [TS]

01:31:42   you're probably going to pay whatever [TS]

01:31:43   they want for it the car plan BMWs is [TS]

01:31:45   the same thing like you're gonna have to [TS]

01:31:47   pay whatever they want for it basically [TS]

01:31:48   so I think the solution here is to stop [TS]

01:31:51   buying BMWs exactly the problem of like [TS]

01:31:54   they do have competitors like maybe [TS]

01:31:57   there's no competitor for car play for [TS]

01:31:59   you I want integration with my iPhone in [TS]

01:32:00   such and such a way but you can buy [TS]

01:32:02   another luxury car that has car play [TS]

01:32:05   that doesn't charge you this much [TS]

01:32:07   and one of the points I've seen from [TS]

01:32:08   people talking about this in terms of [TS]

01:32:10   pricing it's like well if you get a [TS]

01:32:11   three year lease and it's 80 bucks it's [TS]

01:32:13   still cheaper than a $300 up front [TS]

01:32:14   option which is kind of true and like in [TS]

01:32:17   the grand scheme of things given like [TS]

01:32:19   you know like how much they charge for [TS]

01:32:21   the different paint color it's like an [TS]

01:32:23   additional twenty five hundred dollars [TS]

01:32:24   or whatever like if you add it all up [TS]

01:32:26   the number of absurd things you're going [TS]

01:32:28   to pay way more for for the life of this [TS]

01:32:30   BMW that you'll happily pay for it [TS]

01:32:32   because you want the sparkly red paint [TS]

01:32:33   or whatever Dwarfs this car plaything [TS]

01:32:36   but the car everything just just feels [TS]

01:32:37   punitive because yeah everyone else is [TS]

01:32:39   giving it to you for free and there's [TS]

01:32:41   not even a hint of a justifiable reason [TS]

01:32:44   for it to be an ongoing eternal payment [TS]

01:32:46   and so just the noise people so I think [TS]

01:32:48   BMW will is what will either happen [TS]

01:32:51   either BMW will reverse this or every [TS]

01:32:54   other luxury car maker will do the same [TS]

01:32:55   thing it's true it's just I don't know [TS]

01:33:00   it's just so frustrating because I know [TS]

01:33:03   like in my [TS]

01:33:05   that this is a completely unsurprising [TS]

01:33:09   thing for a luxury car manufacturer to [TS]

01:33:11   do like the things that BMW charged [TS]

01:33:13   sport like up until recently and maybe [TS]

01:33:15   still to this day they they had a [TS]

01:33:17   tremendous up charge for for xenon [TS]

01:33:19   headlamps or the high intensity [TS]

01:33:21   discharge headlamps I guess their LEDs [TS]

01:33:23   now in all likelihood but for years when [TS]

01:33:25   when hind in high intensity discharge [TS]

01:33:28   headlamps were a thing BMWs would still [TS]

01:33:32   have that as an option like my [TS]

01:33:35   generation the the early 2010 oh yeah my [TS]

01:33:38   13 my 3-series that was that generation [TS]

01:33:41   I didn't get the HIDs they were too [TS]

01:33:42   expensive [TS]

01:33:43   right exactly and I will see them [TS]

01:33:45   constantly to this day they mean you can [TS]

01:33:47   tell you know what is HIDs and what [TS]

01:33:48   doesn't but that seemed preposterous to [TS]

01:33:51   me like I'm not saying that it shouldn't [TS]

01:33:53   necessarily be paid for but come on it's [TS]

01:33:54   an option really like you're buying a [TS]

01:33:57   BMW buying a Mercedes you're buying an [TS]

01:33:58   Acura whatever the case may be like that [TS]

01:34:00   that should just be part of the car and [TS]

01:34:03   I don't know this just seems like such a [TS]

01:34:05   preposterous absurd thing to nickel and [TS]

01:34:08   dime people over and it's not as bad as [TS]

01:34:10   Porsche from what I understand who I [TS]

01:34:12   guess is the the kings and queens of [TS]

01:34:15   nickel and diming but it's just gross [TS]

01:34:17   and I think BMW has been heading more [TS]

01:34:18   and more this way over time and it just [TS]

01:34:21   grosses me out and here again I just I [TS]

01:34:23   don't know what car I should get if I [TS]

01:34:25   get a new car cuz I'm screwed no matter [TS]

01:34:26   what what happened to the ultimate [TS]

01:34:29   driving machine that reviews that slogan [TS]

01:34:30   anymore I love that slogan I mean to be [TS]

01:34:33   fair like every be MOU owner has always [TS]

01:34:36   had this progression with the company [TS]

01:34:37   and it just rolls into different times [TS]

01:34:39   it's like yep every BMW owner for the [TS]

01:34:41   history of BMW has always said whatever [TS]

01:34:44   happened to the BMW that made you know [TS]

01:34:45   my first car yeah like now the ones they [TS]

01:34:49   make today are crap but whatever [TS]

01:34:51   happened to the MacBook Pros with better [TS]

01:34:52   keyboards am i right Marco well it's a [TS]

01:34:58   little bit different when the failure [TS]

01:35:01   rate changes so dramatically it was a I [TS]

01:35:03   think your inhaler [TS]

01:35:04   maybe was him or someone else tweeted a [TS]

01:35:05   picture of an old power book and all I [TS]

01:35:07   could think I was looking at that it's [TS]

01:35:08   like look at the travel on those keys [TS]

01:35:11   sighs keyboard keys like that was before [TS]

01:35:14   they even started really flattening them [TS]

01:35:15   out like they look like just full size [TS]

01:35:17   and mechanical [TS]

01:35:18   keyboard key caps right yeah they [TS]

01:35:20   probably have more travel than the the [TS]

01:35:22   total thickness of the current proline [TS]

01:35:24   [Laughter] [TS]

01:35:24   [Laughter] [TS]

00:00:00   I was thinking the MacPro design [TS]

00:00:01   speculation that could be pretty much [TS]

00:00:02   any time before WTC probably every every [TS]

00:00:05   time every day is my perspective Asia [TS]

00:00:07   day all right me I was thinking to like [TS]

00:00:11   I like I probably like we probably have [TS]

00:00:13   done too much Mac Pro stuff recently so [TS]

00:00:15   they could we could use it like a few [TS]

00:00:16   weeks break from that oh thank god [TS]

00:00:18   disagree we should start with follow-up [TS]

00:00:22   Peter van Brookhaven has some thoughts [TS]

00:00:26   about apples hesitation to do battery [TS]

00:00:28   replacements and he writes in that one [TS]

00:00:32   of the reasons that they really don't [TS]

00:00:33   like to do battery replacements is that [TS]

00:00:35   if they can't get the battery out [TS]

00:00:36   cleanly then they'll replace the whole [TS]

00:00:39   phone but they'll do it for the cost of [TS]

00:00:41   just that battery replacement so he said [TS]

00:00:45   he had an older phone I think he said [TS]

00:00:47   like a 5s or something like that that he [TS]

00:00:49   still was running on the original [TS]

00:00:50   battery went to the Apple store he asked [TS]

00:00:53   them to replace the battery they botched [TS]

00:00:55   it and so he got himself a brand new 5s [TS]

00:00:57   for 90 whatever dollars or $30 whatever [TS]

00:00:59   the cost is now and that that explains [TS]

00:01:02   to me anyway why they're super reticent [TS]

00:01:04   to be doing battery replacements unless [TS]

00:01:06   they're really sure it's necessary yeah [TS]

00:01:09   and that you know even if you're willing [TS]

00:01:11   to pay like oh you know just take my [TS]

00:01:13   money I'm willing to pay for the battery [TS]

00:01:14   placements like yeah but this battery [TS]

00:01:16   replacement could change from even from [TS]

00:01:18   an $80 build with the old price into [TS]

00:01:20   something that costs Apple you know [TS]

00:01:22   several hundred dollars to give you [TS]

00:01:24   basically a brand new phone because they [TS]

00:01:26   couldn't at the very out but it could be [TS]

00:01:28   argued well a volt here and stupid fault [TS]

00:01:29   for making phones that you can't get the [TS]

00:01:31   batteries out of without destroying them [TS]

00:01:32   so maybe the next time you design a [TS]

00:01:34   phone make it easier to get the battery [TS]

00:01:36   in and out and they probably have [TS]

00:01:37   because he's talking about a 5s and [TS]

00:01:38   there's been many phones since then and [TS]

00:01:40   so designing designing phones for [TS]

00:01:43   serviceability is I think something that [TS]

00:01:45   Apple has been he was probably like a [TS]

00:01:48   narc like the first ones were probably [TS]

00:01:49   reasonably serviceable just because they [TS]

00:01:51   were simpler and then they probably got [TS]

00:01:53   a lot less serviceable as they got [TS]

00:01:55   thinner and more complicated and I feel [TS]

00:01:56   like now they go in the opposite [TS]

00:01:57   direction of yeah we want to make them [TS]

00:01:59   thin and compact but also try to do the [TS]

00:02:03   best we can for serviceability so really [TS]

00:02:05   Apple is you know you're just making [TS]

00:02:06   problems for themselves they continue to [TS]

00:02:08   make things that are always glued [TS]

00:02:09   together and have little ribbon [TS]

00:02:11   connectors that are all [TS]

00:02:13   then glued on with adhesives that age [TS]

00:02:15   and everything like that's that's their [TS]

00:02:17   own fault so I feel like they have to [TS]

00:02:18   either just eat this cost or do better [TS]

00:02:21   about making serviceable phones because [TS]

00:02:23   they're the ones servicing them moving [TS]

00:02:25   on we have some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

00:02:27   which we'll talk about later but one of [TS]

00:02:29   the things that's come out come out over [TS]

00:02:31   the last week is that 11 3 will let [TS]

00:02:33   users turn off the battery performance [TS]

00:02:35   throttling and I don't really understand [TS]

00:02:39   this [TS]

00:02:40   like if the choice is your phone [TS]

00:02:42   spontaneously dying or just being very [TS]

00:02:44   slow I'll go with very slow but I say [TS]

00:02:47   this from the position of not really had [TS]

00:02:50   a phone that's gotten this performance [TS]

00:02:52   throttling so maybe I don't really [TS]

00:02:53   understand how unbelievably unbearable [TS]

00:02:56   the throttling is but regardless [TS]

00:02:58   11:3 will add new features to show the [TS]

00:03:00   battery health and recommend if a [TS]

00:03:02   battery needs to be serviced so that'll [TS]

00:03:03   be found in settings battery and are [TS]

00:03:05   available for the iPhone 6 and later for [TS]

00:03:08   the more users can now see if the power [TS]

00:03:10   management feature that dynamically [TS]

00:03:11   manages maximum performance to prevent [TS]

00:03:13   unexpected shutdowns which was [TS]

00:03:14   introduced in 10.1 is on and whether and [TS]

00:03:18   they can choose whether or not to turn [TS]

00:03:19   it off this feature can be found in [TS]

00:03:20   settings battery as well and is also [TS]

00:03:22   available from the 6 and up yeah this so [TS]

00:03:26   this is not a great fix to this problem [TS]

00:03:29   or solution to this need to users it is [TS]

00:03:32   possible that they needed to do it this [TS]

00:03:35   way to have that off switch for some [TS]

00:03:37   kind of legal or a lawsuit or regulatory [TS]

00:03:39   compliance reason you know they've [TS]

00:03:40   gotten a lot of crap for this from a lot [TS]

00:03:42   of different places a lot of different [TS]

00:03:43   countries but just as a user experience [TS]

00:03:46   having a switch to let your phone [TS]

00:03:48   randomly shut down seems very [TS]

00:03:51   unappetizing and it seems like this is [TS]

00:03:59   very much a like you know Steve Jobs [TS]

00:04:01   you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong kind [TS]

00:04:03   of response from Apple you want a free [TS]

00:04:05   bumper find take a free bumper we've [TS]

00:04:08   heard it from a lot of people why don't [TS]

00:04:10   you just give everybody a case ok great [TS]

00:04:15   let's give everybody a case yeah like it [TS]

00:04:19   there there general response and tone [TS]

00:04:21   with this is not good that interview Tim [TS]

00:04:24   Cook gave it's better than the Steve [TS]

00:04:26   Jobs talk [TS]

00:04:27   you see was actually pretty obnoxious [TS]

00:04:29   and snarky and everything every [TS]

00:04:30   communication I've seen about this has [TS]

00:04:31   been fairly magnanimous and [TS]

00:04:34   understanding he made the feature itself [TS]

00:04:35   may seem snarky but I don't think the [TS]

00:04:37   communication has been Steve Jobs level [TS]

00:04:39   you want a bumper fine here's a free [TS]

00:04:40   bumper III thought the the Tim Cook [TS]

00:04:43   quote about it in that interview a few [TS]

00:04:44   days ago was pretty bad Oh people people [TS]

00:04:47   not understanding yet Tim Cook had a [TS]

00:04:48   couple of statements the media but like [TS]

00:04:50   honestly Tim Cook should not talk to the [TS]

00:04:53   media like I really honestly I'm serious [TS]

00:04:56   like he does not come off well in these [TS]

00:04:59   kind of interviews whenever he's asked [TS]

00:05:00   anything of substance it does not come [TS]

00:05:02   off well well usually his problem is [TS]

00:05:04   that he's just blinded didn't say [TS]

00:05:05   anything right so that's but this is a [TS]

00:05:07   rare case where he showed a little bit [TS]

00:05:09   of teeth it was like I just think maybe [TS]

00:05:11   people just didn't really understand or [TS]

00:05:13   weren't paying attention there was just [TS]

00:05:14   such BS like that's what you should know [TS]

00:05:16   STUV the time it's merely what he says [TS]

00:05:19   has no to information it's just kind of [TS]

00:05:20   platitude right the platitudes one isn't [TS]

00:05:23   harmful and I think maybe that's [TS]

00:05:24   actually a good way to communicate with [TS]

00:05:25   the people in those venues but it's not [TS]

00:05:28   like Apple fans you know it's just like [TS]

00:05:29   whoever is watching you know CNN or [TS]

00:05:32   whatever whatever you know news network [TS]

00:05:34   he's on at that moment I think that's a [TS]

00:05:35   fine communication but it's boring we're [TS]

00:05:37   not interested in it and he's not gonna [TS]

00:05:38   say anything new the snark shows a [TS]

00:05:41   little personality of a nominee he's you [TS]

00:05:42   know off-base but I think that the [TS]

00:05:44   strangest bit of communication this [TS]

00:05:45   actually started and follow up as a [TS]

00:05:47   story about Tim's communication and [TS]

00:05:49   changed into now that we have the actual [TS]

00:05:50   release notes for the 11 3 beta into you [TS]

00:05:53   know more concrete story but the the [TS]

00:05:55   original story was Tim Cook was on a new [TS]

00:05:57   show and yeah he did his normal [TS]

00:05:59   platitudes that he normally does just [TS]

00:06:00   sort of saying speaking generalities [TS]

00:06:03   about stuff that close I'll follow was [TS]

00:06:05   already new but then he mentioned [TS]

00:06:06   something about being able to turn off [TS]

00:06:07   the battery throttling and that's not [TS]

00:06:09   what Apple's press release said like way [TS]

00:06:11   back when when they talked about this [TS]

00:06:12   the press release said oh we're gonna [TS]

00:06:13   have new battery information and you [TS]

00:06:15   know old stuff but didn't say anything [TS]

00:06:17   about being able to turn off so I was [TS]

00:06:18   like is he like misremembering what they [TS]

00:06:21   plan to do maybe they talked about [TS]

00:06:22   having an off switch and he is just [TS]

00:06:24   misremembering instead it's like no he's [TS]

00:06:25   much more controlled than that but then [TS]

00:06:27   he's like essentially breaking Apple [TS]

00:06:29   news on a random cable news channel like [TS]

00:06:32   he pre-announced features of the iOS 11 [TS]

00:06:36   3 beta [TS]

00:06:36   like a couple days ahead of time which [TS]

00:06:38   is weird for [TS]

00:06:39   Apple so the Riddler who's gonna be was [TS]

00:06:41   he misremembering or is this a thing [TS]

00:06:43   they're gonna do but now the story is [TS]

00:06:44   Tim Cook is breaking news about Apple on [TS]

00:06:47   cable news shows which is weird well I [TS]

00:06:50   mean I I think that's his prerogative oh [TS]

00:06:51   yeah no it's totally up but it's it's [TS]

00:06:53   it's definitely a change it makes me [TS]

00:06:54   wonder like it is that like the new [TS]

00:06:56   version of the controlled leaked to The [TS]

00:06:58   Wall Street Journal where they just send [TS]

00:06:59   Tim out and tell him to say that I mean [TS]

00:07:01   this is not the first time that an Apple [TS]

00:07:02   executive has like broken some news in [TS]

00:07:04   an interview like this that that seems [TS]

00:07:06   pretty clearly you know planned that way [TS]

00:07:08   okay minor news it's not big news but [TS]

00:07:10   still honestly that is minor news I mean [TS]

00:07:12   like the big news was the problem at all [TS]

00:07:14   the the how they're solving it in these [TS]

00:07:16   various ways is fairly small news but I [TS]

00:07:18   do think though just going back to the [TS]

00:07:20   the actual feature and solution here I [TS]

00:07:22   don't think this is quite enough what [TS]

00:07:26   this is basically saying is if this is [TS]

00:07:28   happening to you we will now display [TS]

00:07:30   that in this settings battery panel that [TS]

00:07:32   nobody ever knows better goes to and you [TS]

00:07:35   know will display it there and so you [TS]

00:07:37   able to check there to see what's [TS]

00:07:38   happening that's not good enough because [TS]

00:07:40   most people will never think to check [TS]

00:07:41   there or won't know how to check there [TS]

00:07:43   or won't you know like they just think [TS]

00:07:45   my phone is slow I need to buy a new one [TS]

00:07:47   so really I think users need to be [TS]

00:07:51   notified in some way when their phone [TS]

00:07:53   reaches a state in which this setting is [TS]

00:07:55   turned on for them and and I tweeted [TS]

00:07:56   this earlier a lot of people [TS]

00:07:57   misunderstood I wasn't clear enough I'm [TS]

00:08:00   not saying that like every time the CPU [TS]

00:08:03   gets throttled they should get another [TS]

00:08:04   notification dialog boxes yeah what I'm [TS]

00:08:08   saying is that at some point when when [TS]

00:08:11   your phone has reached some kind of [TS]

00:08:12   metric as measured by the battery or [TS]

00:08:15   whatever at some point this setting gets [TS]

00:08:17   turned on for you without you knowing [TS]

00:08:19   that needs to be a user notification [TS]

00:08:22   when that happens and it might be like [TS]

00:08:24   to be clear we don't know that that [TS]

00:08:25   that's not happened just the release [TS]

00:08:26   just say that there's a setting for all [TS]

00:08:28   we know there is a notification and [TS]

00:08:29   there is a battery indicator in the [TS]

00:08:30   status Mart those things could both be [TS]

00:08:32   true they just you know might not merit [TS]

00:08:34   mentioning here so the only way [TS]

00:08:35   unfortunately the only way we'll be able [TS]

00:08:36   to find out unless is the way you can do [TS]

00:08:38   this in simulator is there someone to [TS]

00:08:40   have a phone that's on the threshold [TS]

00:08:41   between like they'll go to the battery [TS]

00:08:43   settings screen let's say oh I'm right [TS]

00:08:45   on the border where it's gonna yell at [TS]

00:08:46   me if they show some kind of bar graph [TS]

00:08:47   or something and then just abuse the [TS]

00:08:49   phone until it crosses that threshold [TS]

00:08:50   and see if you get [TS]

00:08:52   and alert of any kind and in a [TS]

00:08:55   surprising stroke of good news for John [TS]

00:08:58   your ancient cheese grater is running El [TS]

00:09:02   Cap is it not it is and you got a little [TS]

00:09:06   present recently tell me about this I [TS]

00:09:08   didn't get it because I am installed it [TS]

00:09:10   but [TS]

00:09:10   Specter fixes have been backported all [TS]

00:09:13   the way back to El Capitan and Sierra [TS]

00:09:16   and of course High Sierra which is [TS]

00:09:18   extended what they usually do is they [TS]

00:09:20   back pour it to a few recent versions if [TS]

00:09:21   you watch are there back in that you [TS]

00:09:22   don't get the fix I almost don't want to [TS]

00:09:25   install the fixture so I can get that [TS]

00:09:26   extra speed which I said best really [TS]

00:09:28   need in my computer yeah this will push [TS]

00:09:31   you over the edge yeah but I haven't [TS]

00:09:33   installed yet but anyway in case you're [TS]

00:09:35   wondering yes the the fix is backward I [TS]

00:09:37   already have a safari update which I [TS]

00:09:39   feel like is you know maybe just as [TS]

00:09:40   important because the main vector [TS]

00:09:42   through which unknown software runs on [TS]

00:09:44   my computer is probably the web browser [TS]

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00:11:21   we got some news over the last few days [TS]

00:11:24   we've gotten some news about iOS 11 3 [TS]

00:11:26   we're gonna talk about that a little [TS]

00:11:27   later but perhaps more interestingly he [TS]

00:11:31   says with little confidence the home pod [TS]

00:11:33   has been officially officially announced [TS]

00:11:36   it will start shipping on February 9th [TS]

00:11:38   the pre-orders will open or I guess it's [TS]

00:11:41   not really pre-orders it doesn't matter [TS]

00:11:42   anyway the orders will open this coming [TS]

00:11:44   Friday which at this point may have [TS]

00:11:46   already happened by the time you're [TS]

00:11:47   listening to this and we don't really [TS]

00:11:49   know a whole heck of a lot else this is [TS]

00:11:52   the kind of product that theoretically I [TS]

00:11:54   should be excited about many of us I [TS]

00:11:56   think should be excited about this but [TS]

00:11:58   it just seems like it's had such a [TS]

00:12:00   clumsy release cycle and we know so [TS]

00:12:04   little about it that it's really hard to [TS]

00:12:07   get excited about it because it seems [TS]

00:12:09   like it's you know it's coming out late [TS]

00:12:11   and some key features we're not [TS]

00:12:14   launching yet they're they're coming you [TS]

00:12:15   know later this year or whatever and we [TS]

00:12:18   still don't really know much about it [TS]

00:12:20   there's still no reviews there are there [TS]

00:12:23   there's been no like you know hands on [TS]

00:12:25   or anything there was a very brief press [TS]

00:12:27   demo last last summer everybody see when [TS]

00:12:29   they announced it but it was extremely [TS]

00:12:31   limited there was no speak it was just [TS]

00:12:33   music playback so it was there's some [TS]

00:12:37   really big question marks about this [TS]

00:12:39   product that we just don't know yet now [TS]

00:12:41   we could we could listen back to this in [TS]

00:12:43   a few weeks from when people have this [TS]

00:12:45   and it's amazing and we could listen [TS]

00:12:47   back to anything we say now and be like [TS]

00:12:49   well they were so wrong we were so wrong [TS]

00:12:51   I can't believe that we all thought this [TS]

00:12:52   product would be weird or suck you know [TS]

00:12:55   it could turn out amazing we don't know [TS]

00:12:56   yet but it's just weird that there's [TS]

00:12:59   this product that I think a lot of us [TS]

00:13:02   thought would be a major product launch [TS]

00:13:04   that is kind of just like stumbling out [TS]

00:13:06   the door been in this clumsy fashion and [TS]

00:13:09   it's gonna have launched incomplete in [TS]

00:13:11   its State on launch day there are so [TS]

00:13:14   many missing features and limitations [TS]

00:13:16   that I think the potential market for it [TS]

00:13:19   is [TS]

00:13:20   not gonna be that big now over time as [TS]

00:13:22   they lift these limitations we'll see [TS]

00:13:24   you know it's probably gonna get popular [TS]

00:13:26   eventually it might not but but I think [TS]

00:13:28   the chances are more likely than not [TS]

00:13:30   that it will work long term it's just [TS]

00:13:33   weird that it's launching in such a in [TS]

00:13:35   such a clumsy fashion and in such an [TS]

00:13:38   incomplete state and I still question [TS]

00:13:40   why that had to be announced last summer [TS]

00:13:42   I don't question it that much because [TS]

00:13:45   like this is this was a market that [TS]

00:13:48   Apple has is late to like its other [TS]

00:13:51   competitors you know Amazon echo was [TS]

00:13:53   obviously the first let's all talk to [TS]

00:13:54   our cylinder and it was out there for a [TS]

00:13:56   while before Google launched its clone [TS]

00:13:58   and now Google's been out for a while [TS]

00:14:00   and finally Apple and O's and those are [TS]

00:14:02   the big three tech companies and Apple [TS]

00:14:04   you know it took the longest to decide [TS]

00:14:06   yes we're gonna make a cylinder that you [TS]

00:14:08   talk to that connects to our streaming [TS]

00:14:10   music service right and so everyone else [TS]

00:14:13   has a big hit start on them everyone [TS]

00:14:15   else was shipping a couple of companies [TS]

00:14:18   have had multiple revisions and multiple [TS]

00:14:19   products and diversify their product [TS]

00:14:21   lines even Google has a big one and a [TS]

00:14:22   little one now and an even bigger one [TS]

00:14:25   that sounds fancy right so other [TS]

00:14:26   companies have not just done the product [TS]

00:14:29   for longer but I've had more revisions [TS]

00:14:30   and this is a case where it just seemed [TS]

00:14:33   to me that Apple [TS]

00:14:36   I mean apples very often late to market [TS]

00:14:38   right but in this case Apple it seemed [TS]

00:14:40   like it felt self-conscious like we're [TS]

00:14:42   late but we want you to know that we are [TS]

00:14:45   we do want to compete in our but we're [TS]

00:14:47   not ready yet so they had to like [TS]

00:14:48   pre-announce it no I think they pre they [TS]

00:14:51   didn't expect it to be this late right [TS]

00:14:53   so you make your bed you're like oh we [TS]

00:14:54   can announce this now we think it'll be [TS]

00:14:56   ready you know not that long from now [TS]

00:14:58   like within the window of like [TS]

00:14:59   reasonableness but obviously they [TS]

00:15:01   they've missed that window and it's [TS]

00:15:02   pretty darn late at this point and you [TS]

00:15:04   know how can it be late if they never [TS]

00:15:05   told you exactly when it would be [TS]

00:15:06   available just in terms of you know [TS]

00:15:08   practically speaking if you have a such [TS]

00:15:12   a limited pre announcement of a product [TS]

00:15:13   and then say nothing about it for like [TS]

00:15:15   six months [TS]

00:15:16   it's that's not good timing it's not [TS]

00:15:18   good PR you want to get people [TS]

00:15:19   interested about a product and slowly [TS]

00:15:21   dole out news building up to a launch [TS]

00:15:23   not kill people barely anything and then [TS]

00:15:25   don't say anything about it for many [TS]

00:15:26   many months that's it's just bad PR so [TS]

00:15:28   that's why that's why we say oh it feels [TS]

00:15:30   like it's late that if you had a choice [TS]

00:15:32   that's not how you do [TS]

00:15:33   a PR rollout so you know why did they [TS]

00:15:36   announce it so early if to me my read on [TS]

00:15:39   that is they felt pressure to get in get [TS]

00:15:44   their foot in the market ASAP put their [TS]

00:15:46   quarter on the videogame machine or [TS]

00:15:48   whatever's I've got next right we're [TS]

00:15:50   gonna be there and not just like in a [TS]

00:15:52   vague way but here's the actual thing [TS]

00:15:54   we're gonna ship it looks like this it [TS]

00:15:56   sounds like this it probably does other [TS]

00:15:57   things but don't ask us now right and [TS]

00:16:00   they had an opportunity to announce that [TS]

00:16:02   and so they did and I think that is you [TS]

00:16:07   know it's a sign it's an acknowledgement [TS]

00:16:09   that Apple agrees with us that they are [TS]

00:16:13   behind and laid in this market versus a [TS]

00:16:15   more confident Apple that could say yeah [TS]

00:16:17   other people have done stuff but we [TS]

00:16:20   think all the solutions they've done or [TS]

00:16:21   crappy and we don't feel any pressure to [TS]

00:16:23   tell you that we're gonna enter this [TS]

00:16:25   market we're gonna show you our awesome [TS]

00:16:26   thing I'm ready to see it doesn't matter [TS]

00:16:28   how late we are that's the other [TS]

00:16:30   strategy that could have taken and they [TS]

00:16:31   have with many other things but not with [TS]

00:16:33   this with this one they said we really [TS]

00:16:35   feel like we need to tell you that we're [TS]

00:16:36   gonna be in this market with this thing [TS]

00:16:37   so that is not a confident move that [TS]

00:16:40   doesn't that doesn't project confidence [TS]

00:16:42   anyway and what they had to demo was not [TS]

00:16:47   like they didn't have anything to say or [TS]

00:16:49   demo that knocked our socks off either [TS]

00:16:50   so it was kind of weird and now now that [TS]

00:16:53   they're gonna roll this thing out it's [TS]

00:16:55   like a major new product line that will [TS]

00:16:58   end up rolling out without Apple ever [TS]

00:17:00   having gone up on a stage and told us [TS]

00:17:03   all the things that this product can do [TS]

00:17:04   because they went up on a stage and told [TS]

00:17:06   us very limited things about this [TS]

00:17:08   product it's specifically about the [TS]

00:17:10   audio but not much else [TS]

00:17:11   and then many many months pass and then [TS]

00:17:15   here's the product right and people will [TS]

00:17:18   get you know reviews I'm sure they'll be [TS]

00:17:19   reviews coming out of the thing around [TS]

00:17:21   lunchtime or whatever but never did [TS]

00:17:23   Apple go up in any side of special press [TS]

00:17:24   presentation or anything and say let's [TS]

00:17:26   just run down everything about this they [TS]

00:17:28   do with all the phones with all the [TS]

00:17:29   iPads even with most of the Macs here's [TS]

00:17:31   all the features here's all the specs [TS]

00:17:32   here's all the things about this thing [TS]

00:17:33   here's what it can do they never did [TS]

00:17:35   that for this product which is weird [TS]

00:17:37   even something like a hobby product like [TS]

00:17:40   the Apple TV they went up on stage and [TS]

00:17:42   said here's Apple TV you know this is [TS]

00:17:45   what it does this is what it looks like [TS]

00:17:46   this is how much [TS]

00:17:47   it runs you know Mac os10 point for [TS]

00:17:50   inside don't tell anybody it's mega was [TS]

00:17:54   ten ten point four enough to many tens [TS]

00:17:57   they didn't do that this product at all [TS]

00:17:59   so yeah I'm kind of a salmon Marco this [TS]

00:18:03   could be awesome and everybody could [TS]

00:18:04   love it and in particular if I'm trying [TS]

00:18:05   to think of how ways that this product [TS]

00:18:08   could be awesome that we are under [TS]

00:18:10   estimating right now is potentially just [TS]

00:18:14   the the hardware that this stuff that [TS]

00:18:16   Apple has shown they've shown like oh [TS]

00:18:18   it's got speakers and microphones and [TS]

00:18:19   blah blah blah well and and like they're [TS]

00:18:22   engineering in regards to audio and [TS]

00:18:25   sound quality in recent years has been [TS]

00:18:27   awesome like they have they've [TS]

00:18:29   dramatically improved the speaker's in [TS]

00:18:31   most of their products that have [TS]

00:18:32   speakers including the phones yeah [TS]

00:18:35   including the phones like like they [TS]

00:18:36   they've really done a lot in in the [TS]

00:18:38   areas of audio and speaker engineering [TS]

00:18:40   recently so I have full confidence in in [TS]

00:18:43   their proclamations that it is going to [TS]

00:18:45   sound amazing that it is going to be [TS]

00:18:47   super advanced in the way it measures a [TS]

00:18:49   room and and bounce the sound off of [TS]

00:18:51   walls I bet it will sound amazing but [TS]

00:18:53   that is just one aspect of this product [TS]

00:18:55   and there are so many other ones that [TS]

00:18:58   either sound kind of bad or that are [TS]

00:19:01   just giant question marks yeah and like [TS]

00:19:03   the thing about this product is that I'm [TS]

00:19:06   trying to think of you know it does this [TS]

00:19:08   track with like the Apple TV they're [TS]

00:19:09   thinking about the Apple TV is they [TS]

00:19:11   didn't get the hardware right for a long [TS]

00:19:13   time they took the wrong approach the [TS]

00:19:15   wrong OS the wrong size there were you [TS]

00:19:17   know the really early one was like a [TS]

00:19:18   little bit too early the puck I think [TS]

00:19:20   they hit on with everybody else the the [TS]

00:19:23   better size and price for this kind of a [TS]

00:19:26   product then they took too long to come [TS]

00:19:28   up with 4k but now that they've settled [TS]

00:19:31   down like hardware wise it's reasonable [TS]

00:19:34   especially now that frame rate at frame [TS]

00:19:36   rate matching more on that in a little [TS]

00:19:37   bit with this product I feel like it's [TS]

00:19:43   possible that they have more or less [TS]

00:19:45   gotten the hardware right on the first [TS]

00:19:46   try that the the sound output looks [TS]

00:19:50   impressive and you know can justify the [TS]

00:19:54   price because it's got a lot of little [TS]

00:19:55   speakers and a lot of hardware to be [TS]

00:19:57   able to do all the magic to make it [TS]

00:19:58   sound good [TS]

00:19:59   I think it also has a lot of microphones [TS]

00:20:01   and it hopefully does a good job with [TS]

00:20:04   them which is the other important part [TS]

00:20:05   of this hardware it's clean and clear [TS]

00:20:08   stand about what it's supposed to be you [TS]

00:20:09   know not having a screen of any kind [TS]

00:20:11   it's basically speakers and a microphone [TS]

00:20:13   the software side is where we we know [TS]

00:20:17   they have gaps cuz there's features that [TS]

00:20:18   they they sort of talked about but Arnie [TS]

00:20:20   and I'm going to ship until later but it [TS]

00:20:22   is possible that Apple can essentially [TS]

00:20:24   slowly catch up without actually [TS]

00:20:27   revising this hardware but merely by [TS]

00:20:28   shipping regular software updates to [TS]

00:20:31   make this thing more and more capable [TS]

00:20:32   and improving Siri and all the other [TS]

00:20:34   stuff behind the scenes like in other [TS]

00:20:36   words do you think after the ship's [TS]

00:20:38   there will be some kind of pressing need [TS]

00:20:40   for a revised home pod I think this [TS]

00:20:42   hardware could potentially last a long [TS]

00:20:44   time they just have to update the [TS]

00:20:46   software so that's it's not ideal right [TS]

00:20:48   but it does mean that if they can sell [TS]

00:20:51   these things and then improve them over [TS]

00:20:54   time they can build up some loyalty by [TS]

00:20:57   people yeah I bought this product and it [TS]

00:20:58   was limited and now it gets better and [TS]

00:21:00   better as I use it and a year from now [TS]

00:21:02   they could be selling the quote-unquote [TS]

00:21:04   exact same home pod and it could be a [TS]

00:21:06   way better product than it is now [TS]

00:21:08   because I don't think that there's some [TS]

00:21:10   essential hardware feature that this [TS]

00:21:11   doesn't have and especially if the audio [TS]

00:21:13   is really good it could you know [TS]

00:21:15   certainly it will have better sound than [TS]

00:21:17   like the hundred dollar things like an [TS]

00:21:18   echo or a cheap Google home maybe it [TS]

00:21:20   will even have better sound then an even [TS]

00:21:22   more expensive Sonos it's just a matter [TS]

00:21:24   of them getting their software story [TS]

00:21:25   together and they can do that not at [TS]

00:21:28   their leisure but they can do that [TS]

00:21:29   without revising this product you know [TS]

00:21:32   essentially so I was gonna get one I [TS]

00:21:34   don't know I was just about to say like [TS]

00:21:37   I'm sure knowing me I will end up buying [TS]

00:21:40   one because this is the moment as always [TS]

00:21:42   I said I really think it's interesting [TS]

00:21:44   you have to visit we all have some [TS]

00:21:45   wonders but you so you're so under lists [TS]

00:21:47   so you need to also like until I have a [TS]

00:21:53   way to interact with it as a developer I [TS]

00:21:56   don't think I'm gonna buy one because [TS]

00:21:59   there's not a place in my life where [TS]

00:22:00   this makes sense right now and and of [TS]

00:22:03   course that might change but right now [TS]

00:22:05   like given its current limitations like [TS]

00:22:08   one of the big things is yeah maybe you [TS]

00:22:10   can replace your TV's speakers with [TS]

00:22:12   it well you can't have a stereo pair yet [TS]

00:22:15   right so like because airplay to which [TS]

00:22:18   we'll get to in a little while [TS]

00:22:19   airplay to is not yet shipping so one of [TS]

00:22:21   the things you can't do is have a stereo [TS]

00:22:23   pair of these things acting as you know [TS]

00:22:24   two stereo speakers so that that rules [TS]

00:22:27   out a lot of that already [TS]

00:22:28   and it also there's no line in like the [TS]

00:22:32   only way you can receive audio is either [TS]

00:22:34   via Siri playing things from Apple music [TS]

00:22:37   or via airplay and right now just [TS]

00:22:40   airplay one which has some limitations [TS]

00:22:42   and everything but mmm one limitation by [TS]

00:22:44   the way has a fixed two-second latency [TS]

00:22:46   so even if you do some kind of crazy [TS]

00:22:49   thing where you have something beaming [TS]

00:22:50   other audio like from your other home [TS]

00:22:52   theatre components via some kind of [TS]

00:22:54   airplay bridge to this thing about the [TS]

00:22:56   latency will be too high even for TVs to [TS]

00:22:57   compensate for it so there's basically [TS]

00:22:59   no good way to get the rest of your [TS]

00:23:03   audio from your TV to this the Apple TV [TS]

00:23:07   can allegedly airplay to it and use it [TS]

00:23:09   as speakers and that's probably gonna be [TS]

00:23:10   nice for you know airplay to when that [TS]

00:23:13   comes out that's gonna be low latency [TS]

00:23:14   and everything but that's it so like you [TS]

00:23:16   could do it if the only input that to [TS]

00:23:19   your TV if the only source of sound that [TS]

00:23:21   you want to hear from this is an Apple [TS]

00:23:23   TV you could theoretically have that [TS]

00:23:25   kind of setup but if you have anything [TS]

00:23:27   else a game console other streaming [TS]

00:23:29   boxes a DVD player blu-ray player like [TS]

00:23:32   if you have anything else that you want [TS]

00:23:34   to plug into this you're out of luck [TS]

00:23:36   a Sonos connect bridge maybe but it's [TS]

00:23:38   like two people use the computing [TS]

00:23:40   devices because I would never think [TS]

00:23:41   about playing my TV through this I will [TS]

00:23:43   also wouldn't think about playing my TV [TS]

00:23:44   through an Amazon echo or through a [TS]

00:23:46   Google home even the big speaker 1:i [TS]

00:23:49   also wouldn't play my TV through any of [TS]

00:23:51   the little Sonos things yes so much [TS]

00:23:52   makes a sound bar that I play you my TV [TS]

00:23:55   through so almost makes a sound bar and [TS]

00:23:57   the sound bar can also use the little [TS]

00:23:58   sono speakers as satellite speakers so [TS]

00:24:01   you can't stand people do that so Sonos [TS]

00:24:04   has solutions to this other spirit and [TS]

00:24:06   like I feel and you know Amazon and [TS]

00:24:08   Google home I feel like the the kind of [TS]

00:24:10   speakers that they sell in volume don't [TS]

00:24:13   really lend themselves to this they're [TS]

00:24:14   too small but it doesn't really matter [TS]

00:24:15   cuz like they're more made for like a [TS]

00:24:17   kitchen or a counter or something like [TS]

00:24:18   that but if you're gonna have a larger [TS]

00:24:21   and more expensive speaker that focuses [TS]

00:24:23   on sound quality one of the big places [TS]

00:24:25   you put it is in [TS]

00:24:26   is it is for your TV like you'd replace [TS]

00:24:28   the speakers for your TV isn't that much [TS]

00:24:31   bigger though it's not like I'd say it's [TS]

00:24:33   in between I don't even think it's as [TS]

00:24:35   big as the Google big speaker whatever [TS]

00:24:37   they call that one the big rectangular [TS]

00:24:38   Google one [TS]

00:24:39   I think it's smaller than that like I'm [TS]

00:24:41   trying to recall seeing at WWC and I [TS]

00:24:43   think I was struck by how much smaller [TS]

00:24:45   was than I thought certainly bigger than [TS]

00:24:46   an echo and also bigger than than the [TS]

00:24:48   like traditional little Google home [TS]

00:24:52   thing not that many but the regular size [TS]

00:24:54   the air freshener I don't I don't I [TS]

00:24:55   don't think it's as big as the Sonos [TS]

00:24:58   play five I don't know when one case he [TS]

00:25:00   gets as well ask him to measure mm-hmm [TS]

00:25:02   regardless so like for the market [TS]

00:25:04   they're selling two which is sound [TS]

00:25:06   quality and middle come in the middle [TS]

00:25:08   the price range there I think a lot of [TS]

00:25:11   people would want it to be that home [TS]

00:25:13   theater role and it can't do that so [TS]

00:25:16   again that limits the market it also [TS]

00:25:18   limits the market that it only supports [TS]

00:25:19   Apple music and not other human services [TS]

00:25:22   so far and other streaming services can [TS]

00:25:24   airplay to it but so far they won't be [TS]

00:25:26   able to do Siri and now I kind of wonder [TS]

00:25:29   if I'm ever gonna get overcast Syria [TS]

00:25:31   intense because anything that would [TS]

00:25:33   enable overcast but also enable Spotify [TS]

00:25:35   and maybe they don't want that for the [TS]

00:25:37   home pop maybe they want to solve a home [TS]

00:25:38   pod only for Apple music and have you [TS]

00:25:40   know lock that together and you know to [TS]

00:25:41   boost the sales of Apple music so this [TS]

00:25:43   is like the we talked about this before [TS]

00:25:45   where the cylinders and stuff but this [TS]

00:25:46   is like the omnivorous box TV problem [TS]

00:25:48   all what consumers want is a speaker [TS]

00:25:52   like some kind of speaker thing that [TS]

00:25:55   they buy that they can talk to that can [TS]

00:25:57   also play any audio from anywhere right [TS]

00:26:00   and nobody offers that it's all a bunch [TS]

00:26:03   of a bunch of islands you know some [TS]

00:26:06   someone come close like I think the [TS]

00:26:07   Sonos can play a lot of stuff but can't [TS]

00:26:09   can you do Apple music by voice command [TS]

00:26:10   I don't know yes oh wait no I it can do [TS]

00:26:14   have music I don't think I can do it by [TS]

00:26:15   a voice command yet yeah it's it's a [TS]

00:26:18   weird integration that the the the [TS]

00:26:19   summers product is weird limits but [TS]

00:26:21   sometimes it's getting closer because [TS]

00:26:22   some US doesn't have a dog in the [TS]

00:26:24   streaming service fight so like whatever [TS]

00:26:25   we'll play Amazon service we'll play [TS]

00:26:27   google play music will play Apple music [TS]

00:26:28   if all those companies will let us but [TS]

00:26:30   everybody else has their own preferred [TS]

00:26:32   streaming service and is in varying [TS]

00:26:33   degrees restrictive you know or they're [TS]

00:26:36   not letting each other play in each [TS]

00:26:37   other stuff so it's not like you just [TS]

00:26:39   pick the speaker you like about [TS]

00:26:40   right and say I'll just gonna pick this [TS]

00:26:42   figure that looks it looks the best and [TS]

00:26:43   it sounds the best which would be good [TS]

00:26:45   for admah like if I was gonna compete on [TS]

00:26:47   audio I think it said look we we have [TS]

00:26:49   the best sounding speaker the best [TS]

00:26:50   balance of speaker performance and price [TS]

00:26:52   $350 for something it sounds better than [TS]

00:26:54   a $500 some of us buy it but if it also [TS]

00:26:58   comes with oh but the only things you [TS]

00:26:59   can hear over it cause this very very [TS]

00:27:01   limited set of things we allow you to [TS]

00:27:03   hear no no like you said no line in and [TS]

00:27:05   stuff like that although honestly I [TS]

00:27:06   still think that it's not an intended [TS]

00:27:09   purpose for this thing to be a TV [TS]

00:27:10   speaker but a stereo speaker like hey [TS]

00:27:12   this is the sound system for my small [TS]

00:27:13   apartment and I could play my music on [TS]

00:27:16   it that's the thing like if they're [TS]

00:27:17   gonna promote it as as audio quality you [TS]

00:27:20   can't connect like a CD player or or [TS]

00:27:23   even collect your record player yeah [TS]

00:27:25   like honestly if this is truly going to [TS]

00:27:28   appeal to people who can drop a $300 on [TS]

00:27:30   a speaker who want something cool and [TS]

00:27:32   nice and hip for their for a part of [TS]

00:27:33   their home that isn't their TV a lot of [TS]

00:27:35   people would want to connect a vinyl [TS]

00:27:37   player to it like oh people want to [TS]

00:27:38   connect other sorry I turned player so [TS]

00:27:47   this weekend Marcos vinyl Ark they don't [TS]

00:27:52   have corners so anyway so you know [TS]

00:27:57   people want people want to connect other [TS]

00:27:59   components to something to two really [TS]

00:28:01   good speakers sure not all people but [TS]

00:28:04   like what I'm saying is basically like [TS]

00:28:06   this market is being limited by the [TS]

00:28:09   limitation this device I think pretty [TS]

00:28:11   severely like that really I think this [TS]

00:28:13   device is very boxed in right now with [TS]

00:28:15   limitations like it's appealing to [TS]

00:28:18   people who like to listen to your music [TS]

00:28:20   via voice but only Apple music and the [TS]

00:28:22   voice service is probably gonna be a [TS]

00:28:23   little bit iffy because that's how Siri [TS]

00:28:25   has been so it's gonna be probably a [TS]

00:28:28   mediocre voice service it's not gonna [TS]

00:28:31   have a lot of integrations with other [TS]

00:28:32   things that we tend to use these for [TS]

00:28:34   like you know various smart home devices [TS]

00:28:36   and everything you have some but it's [TS]

00:28:38   not gonna have as much as an echo or [TS]

00:28:39   things like that it's not gonna have [TS]

00:28:42   almost any third-party services that can [TS]

00:28:45   integrate with it anything you ask it to [TS]

00:28:47   do that is not playing music is probably [TS]

00:28:49   going to fail mysteriously in weird ways [TS]

00:28:51   because that's how Syrians to operate [TS]

00:28:52   even if you get it just [TS]

00:28:54   for the Apple music or for airplane [TS]

00:28:56   stuff - look who's going to be clumsy [TS]

00:28:57   for the next six months or so yeah this [TS]

00:28:59   is for people who are okay spending that [TS]

00:29:01   amount of money on it who don't already [TS]

00:29:03   have other kinds of you know speakers [TS]

00:29:05   that are that also sound good and who [TS]

00:29:07   don't want a stereo pair because it [TS]

00:29:09   can't start a repair yet so it's like [TS]

00:29:10   you care about sound quality but not [TS]

00:29:11   enough to have a stereo pair and so it's [TS]

00:29:14   just again it's just more and more [TS]

00:29:15   boxing in boxing it in boxing box it in [TS]

00:29:18   so I think it's gonna start out pretty [TS]

00:29:21   slowly and maybe in a year it'll have [TS]

00:29:24   all these features and it'll be much [TS]

00:29:25   better and maybe there'll be another [TS]

00:29:26   model that's a different price or a [TS]

00:29:28   different size or something that would [TS]

00:29:29   expand the market a little bit more but [TS]

00:29:31   I think it's gonna have a really slow [TS]

00:29:34   start yeah some of the other Apple [TS]

00:29:36   specific features are like are you so [TS]

00:29:38   granted we don't have all the [TS]

00:29:38   third-party stuff but what can it do [TS]

00:29:40   that NOAA device can do aside from you [TS]

00:29:41   know obviously very tight integration [TS]

00:29:42   with Apple music and of course Siri [TS]

00:29:45   handing off your phone call the home [TS]

00:29:47   potter is apparently something else you [TS]

00:29:48   can do obviously from your iphone only [TS]

00:29:50   but if you're on a phone call that you [TS]

00:29:52   start on your iphone you come into the [TS]

00:29:53   house and you want to hand it off to the [TS]

00:29:55   ipod for a speakerphone conversation [TS]

00:29:57   which i think is a good application of a [TS]

00:29:59   good speaker and a good set of [TS]

00:30:00   microphone so you can wander around talk [TS]

00:30:02   and pace like an important executive as [TS]

00:30:04   you discuss things that's something [TS]

00:30:06   other devices don't have and of course [TS]

00:30:09   they're playing up the privacy angle of [TS]

00:30:10   like we're not going to upload every [TS]

00:30:12   single thing you say to our servers and [TS]

00:30:13   keep it there forever and all that [TS]

00:30:15   business and they do try to tout that [TS]

00:30:19   anyone can talk to it and that it can [TS]

00:30:21   play things from Apple music even if [TS]

00:30:23   you're not there which is something so [TS]

00:30:25   absurd that I wouldn't even think about [TS]

00:30:27   it until Apple reassured me that it's [TS]

00:30:28   not the case like oh I guess they could [TS]

00:30:30   have done that boy that would have been [TS]

00:30:31   done but they're not well but there is a [TS]

00:30:32   big question mark on that though it can [TS]

00:30:34   play Apple music when you're out there [TS]

00:30:35   but apparently it does a lot of the Siri [TS]

00:30:38   processing on the phone on the phone is [TS]

00:30:40   paired to it and it's only one person's [TS]

00:30:42   phone of course so the question is how [TS]

00:30:45   much can I do if that phone like suppose [TS]

00:30:47   the phone that's paired to it is your [TS]

00:30:48   spouse's phone and your spouse leaves [TS]

00:30:50   the house how much does this function we [TS]

00:30:53   don't know yeah there's also the [TS]

00:30:55   question that a lot of people had of [TS]

00:30:56   people like me who are not yet in the [TS]

00:30:58   streaming music world but who have their [TS]

00:31:00   own music collections so I have my music [TS]

00:31:03   collection on my phone that which [TS]

00:31:04   consists of things from CDs plus things [TS]

00:31:06   purchase from iTunes my [TS]

00:31:08   that's our collection my kids have their [TS]

00:31:09   collections I have my giant fish [TS]

00:31:10   collection right what if you want to [TS]

00:31:13   play something from one of those [TS]

00:31:14   collections that doesn't exist on Apple [TS]

00:31:16   music is there any mechanism for that I [TS]

00:31:18   think your only option is to air play it [TS]

00:31:20   from iTunes or your phone but you can't [TS]

00:31:22   the home pod can't call it up via voice [TS]

00:31:23   right but Apple in my case since I'm an [TS]

00:31:26   iTunes Match described Apple has all of [TS]

00:31:28   my music in the cloud and it knows it [TS]

00:31:30   belongs to me but I'm pretty sure the [TS]

00:31:32   home pod has no idea that I'm talking to [TS]

00:31:33   it like that that feature is only [TS]

00:31:35   reasonable you're in the services [TS]

00:31:36   division that's that's the world of [TS]

00:31:38   walls and silos that's like your app [TS]

00:31:41   your iTunes Match silo is over there [TS]

00:31:44   rotting in the corner with really big [TS]

00:31:45   thick walls nobody can get into so they [TS]

00:31:47   built this new silo over here if we wrap [TS]

00:31:48   the music and other stuff and God knows [TS]

00:31:50   what's gonna be next and it's you know [TS]

00:31:51   don't expect any of this stuff to talk [TS]

00:31:53   to each other yeah so but you know we [TS]

00:31:56   don't know what all the limitations are [TS]

00:31:58   but it seems like there's a lot of them [TS]

00:31:59   but I still keep coming back to if they [TS]

00:32:01   got the hardware right and of all all [TS]

00:32:03   the speakers and the microphones are all [TS]

00:32:04   great there's no reason they can't knock [TS]

00:32:06   down these limitations one by one and [TS]

00:32:08   eventually have a competitive product [TS]

00:32:10   and I keep comparing it to Apple TV [TS]

00:32:11   because they didn't have the choice of [TS]

00:32:12   the Apple TV they got the hardware so [TS]

00:32:13   wrong in the beginning it took them a [TS]

00:32:15   long time to get it right and now I feel [TS]

00:32:19   like they're finally at the you know the [TS]

00:32:20   the fat part of the curve or the Apple [TS]

00:32:22   TV where they gonna start knocking down [TS]

00:32:23   the software features and you know [TS]

00:32:25   becoming competitive yes they're premium [TS]

00:32:27   price but now they have some you know 4k [TS]

00:32:31   support they have you know features that [TS]

00:32:33   video files care about like the [TS]

00:32:35   framerate matching they have an [TS]

00:32:36   application ecosystem you know they're [TS]

00:32:39   they're improving in that area and [TS]

00:32:40   there's this home pod like best-case [TS]

00:32:44   scenario it launches it sounds really [TS]

00:32:46   good but it's super limited and not a [TS]

00:32:48   lot of people buy it and then over the [TS]

00:32:50   course of the next year all they do is [TS]

00:32:51   make the software better and you know [TS]

00:32:54   it's it might take a while like how long [TS]

00:32:56   did it take you know Google home just I [TS]

00:32:58   think the last year or so got the [TS]

00:33:01   feature where it understands that there [TS]

00:33:02   are different people talking to it and [TS]

00:33:03   it can understand who that person is [TS]

00:33:06   hopefully we won't date but I take Apple [TS]

00:33:09   as long as it's a Google to do that but [TS]

00:33:11   I see I see potential as long as the [TS]

00:33:14   hardware is right but all that said I'm [TS]

00:33:16   not running out to buy this Hardware [TS]

00:33:18   only Casey is [TS]

00:33:19   you know a lot of people are gonna wait [TS]

00:33:22   until they have the complete story and [TS]

00:33:23   not just buy it based on the promise as [TS]

00:33:25   they should so I've been thinking about [TS]

00:33:28   this a little bit over the last couple [TS]

00:33:30   of days since this news is broken and I [TS]

00:33:32   am NOT ordering a home pod immediately I [TS]

00:33:35   will probably knowing the order one not [TS]

00:33:37   too long after immediately because the [TS]

00:33:39   FOMO will get to me but I think the [TS]

00:33:43   thing that appeals to me in principle is [TS]

00:33:45   that I do trust Apple to make really [TS]

00:33:49   clever in good choices with regard to [TS]

00:33:52   audio fidelity and although I am [TS]

00:33:54   perfectly happy listening to music or [TS]

00:33:56   podcasts on speakers that are truly and [TS]

00:33:59   utterly terrible that doesn't mean I [TS]

00:34:01   don't also appreciate some really really [TS]

00:34:03   great speakers as well and the what I [TS]

00:34:07   have in our home theater is not great it [TS]

00:34:10   is sufficient I don't even know what it [TS]

00:34:11   is it was like a Denon Dean on whatever [TS]

00:34:13   it's called like home theater in a box [TS]

00:34:15   from probably 10 plus years ago [TS]

00:34:17   it is sufficient but I have no doubt [TS]

00:34:21   that one or particularly a pair of home [TS]

00:34:23   pods would be considerably better [TS]

00:34:26   sounding and that would be appealing to [TS]

00:34:30   me but knowing that I won't be able to [TS]

00:34:33   play Spotify easily without airplane to [TS]

00:34:36   Marco's point knowing I won't be able to [TS]

00:34:38   say hey dingus can you play me [TS]

00:34:41   such-and-such song by such-and-such [TS]

00:34:42   artist without being an apple music [TS]

00:34:44   subscriber which I'm not like all of [TS]

00:34:46   these things make it not terribly [TS]

00:34:48   appealing and I don't also I don't have [TS]

00:34:50   anything connected to homekit right now [TS]

00:34:52   I have several devices that I could [TS]

00:34:55   connect to homekit via $50 bridges but I [TS]

00:34:58   have nothing that's natively connecting [TS]

00:35:00   to home kid at the moment so I have a [TS]

00:35:02   few you're missing nothing okay fair [TS]

00:35:04   enough [TS]

00:35:05   I don't really sitting here now and this [TS]

00:35:08   is when we'll play this back you know [TS]

00:35:09   mark will do that to Lulu in like three [TS]

00:35:11   weeks when I say I just bought one but [TS]

00:35:13   sitting here now I don't really see I [TS]

00:35:15   don't really see any draw other than [TS]

00:35:18   just getting a really great set of [TS]

00:35:20   speakers and that does that definitely [TS]

00:35:22   you know intrigues me and it's [TS]

00:35:23   definitely interesting but I have a div [TS]

00:35:26   sufficient set of speakers that's zero [TS]

00:35:29   dollars because we bought them ten years [TS]

00:35:31   ago I think they were a gift but anyways [TS]

00:35:33   they [TS]

00:35:33   we already have them I don't know that [TS]

00:35:36   one $350 speaker is going to sound [TS]

00:35:38   better [TS]

00:35:39   the it's enough better to justify it [TS]

00:35:42   then our quote unquote free speakers [TS]

00:35:44   that we have now so I'm curious to see [TS]

00:35:47   what people like real-world people say [TS]

00:35:48   after these are in the wild but I don't [TS]

00:35:51   know I think the reviews would have to [TS]

00:35:52   be pretty stellar for me to start saying [TS]

00:35:54   oh wow I really screwed up on this one [TS]

00:35:56   as with every other Apple product I need [TS]

00:35:58   one let me reiterate one last time do [TS]

00:36:00   not connect this to your television it [TS]

00:36:01   is an inappropriate application we are a [TS]

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00:37:42   [Music] [TS]

00:37:44   we have some news as I've been alluding [TS]

00:37:47   to you for a while for iOS eleven point [TS]

00:37:49   three so in a slightly surprising move [TS]

00:37:52   Apple has made a kind of sort of PR site [TS]

00:37:56   it's actually just a news article but [TS]

00:37:59   it's almost like a mini site about iOS [TS]

00:38:02   eleven point three so the headline is [TS]

00:38:04   major updates they are kit messages and [TS]

00:38:06   more coming this spring and they start [TS]

00:38:08   off by telling us we're getting a lion [TS]

00:38:10   an emoji they're getting we're getting a [TS]

00:38:13   dragon we're getting a skull and I [TS]

00:38:15   thought there was one other dragon an [TS]

00:38:17   emoji this is my problem of not knowing [TS]

00:38:19   what the plural of an emoji including [TS]

00:38:20   new an emoji does that mean more than [TS]

00:38:22   one for new iOS eleven point three [TS]

00:38:25   includes four new an emoji giving iOS or [TS]

00:38:27   excuse me iPhone ten users the ability [TS]

00:38:29   to express themselves as a lion bear [TS]

00:38:31   dragon or skull oh I see it later than [TS]

00:38:34   later section at the line is up top I [TS]

00:38:36   see okay yeah that's the most important [TS]

00:38:38   new feature as far as I'm aware most [TS]

00:38:41   people I know you're probably snarking [TS]

00:38:43   and the thing is I actually really do [TS]

00:38:45   still like an emoji but that being said [TS]

00:38:48   I haven't sent or received an an emoji [TS]

00:38:50   in like a month or two it's not like [TS]

00:38:53   knowing that they exist yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:55   they're cute they're cute and they're [TS]

00:38:56   little an emoji drawer they're waiting [TS]

00:38:58   for me if I need them no I I don't know [TS]

00:39:00   I was thinking about it even before this [TS]

00:39:01   announcement that I really do think it's [TS]

00:39:03   cute and clever but I I don't often find [TS]

00:39:06   myself in a position that a it's not [TS]

00:39:08   socially awkward to create and send one [TS]

00:39:10   and be that I even think to do it in the [TS]

00:39:12   first place I really do think it's a [TS]

00:39:14   good idea I don't fault them for the [TS]

00:39:15   idea and I like that they're adding more [TS]

00:39:17   an emoji and in fact I think I tweeted a [TS]

00:39:19   while back that it would be cool if they [TS]

00:39:21   had like seasonal ones like you could [TS]

00:39:22   only do Santa when it's Christmastime or [TS]

00:39:24   something along those lines but it goes [TS]

00:39:26   back on the Disney Vault you're a [TS]

00:39:28   terrible person yeah seriously no I mean [TS]

00:39:30   I hate the Disney Vault but it I do [TS]

00:39:33   think it would be kind of cool [TS]

00:39:34   but anyways I'm not using an emoji in [TS]

00:39:37   that kind of it's a little bit so maybe [TS]

00:39:39   it's a new audience for your analogy he [TS]

00:39:42   does get a kick out of them actually [TS]

00:39:43   just the other day he asked me he asked [TS]

00:39:45   me if I could show him the video of the [TS]

00:39:47   Fox singing which is I think the [TS]

00:39:48   Bohemian rad Bohemian Rhapsody video [TS]

00:39:51   that had come out like one of the first [TS]

00:39:53   karaoke ones he really likes watching [TS]

00:39:56   and so he had had me pull that up on [TS]

00:39:59   YouTube just a day or two ago but anyway [TS]

00:40:03   also new and 11.3 a our kit which [TS]

00:40:05   apparently is now understanding what a [TS]

00:40:07   vertical surfaces which no snark I guess [TS]

00:40:10   is a big deal I don't really use a our [TS]

00:40:12   kit for anything that's actually like no [TS]

00:40:15   being able to recognize vertical [TS]

00:40:16   surfaces in addition to horizontal and [TS]

00:40:18   having some other improvements in the [TS]

00:40:20   kind of surfaces they can recognize and [TS]

00:40:21   how it just it broadens the applications [TS]

00:40:23   of it basically like before it's like [TS]

00:40:25   alright finds find a big flat table or [TS]

00:40:27   if the floor or something and then you [TS]

00:40:29   can do this cool thing and now you can [TS]

00:40:31   do cool things with walls and other like [TS]

00:40:33   so it just it broadens the possible [TS]

00:40:36   applications you can make and it [TS]

00:40:38   improves existing excuse me applications [TS]

00:40:41   or it gives them the chance to be [TS]

00:40:43   improved and there's other improvements [TS]

00:40:45   to a our kit too but I'm not really [TS]

00:40:47   qualified to recognize what's good about [TS]

00:40:49   them but it's it's significantly [TS]

00:40:50   improved but the main I think the main [TS]

00:40:52   story around a our kid is that our kit [TS]

00:40:56   was their first try at this and it was [TS]

00:40:57   pretty impressive out of the gate like [TS]

00:40:59   we all tried and it worked I think [TS]

00:41:01   better than most of us had any right to [TS]

00:41:02   expect especially if you have tried any [TS]

00:41:04   of the previous sort of academic type [TS]

00:41:06   things and seeing what they can do this [TS]

00:41:07   was a commercial product they ran on [TS]

00:41:09   everybody's phones that work [TS]

00:41:11   surprisingly well and it hasn't been [TS]

00:41:13   that long and they've significantly [TS]

00:41:15   enhanced it so I feel like the AR kid [TS]

00:41:18   team is doing well there their initial [TS]

00:41:20   release was good and they're not waiting [TS]

00:41:22   then unable waiting does Nebuta receive [TS]

00:41:24   for new features like this because like [TS]

00:41:26   Margot said I think Wallis's is a [TS]

00:41:27   significant new feature and there have [TS]

00:41:29   been like applications unlike perhaps an [TS]

00:41:32   emoji which maybe people get bored by [TS]

00:41:34   the the applications that you would [TS]

00:41:36   think you could build with a our kit [TS]

00:41:37   like a thing to try furniture in your [TS]

00:41:39   room like IKEA has an app like that and [TS]

00:41:42   guess what it does what they say it does [TS]

00:41:45   surprisingly well for a thing that just [TS]

00:41:48   runs on your phone doesn't require this [TS]

00:41:50   crazy rig with five cameras slapped [TS]

00:41:52   together by some PhD student so I'm very [TS]

00:41:55   impressed with a our kit and [TS]

00:41:57   and Presta they keep getting better all [TS]

00:42:00   right what else is in this messages [TS]

00:42:03   thing messages and iCloud is back yeah [TS]

00:42:06   this is connected yeah that very [TS]

00:42:09   unexpected but very welcome assuming [TS]

00:42:11   that it works I haven't tried it yet [TS]

00:42:12   have you guys know is it actually in [TS]

00:42:15   this beta is the the some things aren't [TS]

00:42:17   in this video is in the beta batteries [TS]

00:42:20   yeah the the messages and I thought I [TS]

00:42:23   think I know it's prompting people to [TS]

00:42:25   enable it so I think it is in the beta [TS]

00:42:27   but it's like for me personally I'm not [TS]

00:42:30   gonna have much use for this until it [TS]

00:42:33   also works with my Mac you know it's [TS]

00:42:35   like that's that that's the big question [TS]

00:42:36   work for me and and also like if there's [TS]

00:42:38   any hint that it doesn't quite work it [TS]

00:42:41   that it isn't fully baked yet then I [TS]

00:42:43   might be afraid to turn it on for a [TS]

00:42:44   little while but they did take so long [TS]

00:42:47   to do it that I I'm confident that they [TS]

00:42:49   were probably really conservative about [TS]

00:42:52   this because it's so important to get [TS]

00:42:53   that right so it's probably gonna work [TS]

00:42:56   fine yeah but but word of warning to [TS]

00:42:57   everybody like when you're running beta [TS]

00:42:59   software like this is the reason I have [TS]

00:43:01   a whole set of other Apple IDs that are [TS]

00:43:03   not my Apple IDs for when I was doing [TS]

00:43:04   Mac OS 10 reviews when you're running [TS]

00:43:08   betas and there's some feature that has [TS]

00:43:10   cloud integration that especially if it [TS]

00:43:12   wants to like take some existing set of [TS]

00:43:14   data and like bring it to the cloud or [TS]

00:43:17   I've heard it from one cloud back-end to [TS]

00:43:19   another their betas like they're not [TS]

00:43:22   done they might have bugs but that's [TS]

00:43:24   your non beta data right like that's [TS]

00:43:27   your real so if you don't want your non [TS]

00:43:31   beta data to be potentially hosed and [TS]

00:43:33   you can't restore that like like if [TS]

00:43:36   something goes wrong with the phone you [TS]

00:43:37   can restore the phone back to an old [TS]

00:43:39   version you can't restore your data in [TS]

00:43:41   the ini cloud back to an old version yes [TS]

00:43:44   but especially gets scrambled or deleted [TS]

00:43:46   or hosed in some way so be very careful [TS]

00:43:49   and it like you know you're probably [TS]

00:43:50   excited like oh I want to try out this [TS]

00:43:52   new feature or whatever but beta is not [TS]

00:43:55   done and yes I said whenever I would [TS]

00:43:57   test beta asses and do reviews whole [TS]

00:44:00   separate world of data which it was free [TS]

00:44:02   to completely hosed and sometimes it did [TS]

00:44:04   and sometimes I have to wipe all I did [TS]

00:44:06   and re-enter a bunch of fake data for it [TS]

00:44:08   or whatever [TS]

00:44:10   so beware but anyway it looks like that [TS]

00:44:12   feature is back after basically entirely [TS]

00:44:14   disappearing from their website and now [TS]

00:44:16   it's back and like Marco it really [TS]

00:44:19   doesn't fulfill its promise for me until [TS]

00:44:21   it has a Mac equivalent which I'm [TS]

00:44:22   assuming it will eventually but I'm I'm [TS]

00:44:24   glad it's not waiting until iOS 12 foot [TS]

00:44:26   it that way [TS]

00:44:26   what is this really but what does it buy [TS]

00:44:29   me there's messages in the cloud because [TS]

00:44:31   I still sort of get everything coming in [TS]

00:44:34   of kind of obnoxiously you know what I [TS]

00:44:36   mean like when I start a mag you're [TS]

00:44:38   you're a lucky person yeah I mean so so [TS]

00:44:40   basically what it buys you is it should [TS]

00:44:43   in theory first of all it should fix a [TS]

00:44:46   lot of the inconsistencies people see [TS]

00:44:47   like so it's syncing the messages with [TS]

00:44:49   iCloud rather than rather than depending [TS]

00:44:52   on this crazy like you know key [TS]

00:44:54   generation sharing thing between [TS]

00:44:56   different computers and like the way it [TS]

00:44:57   works security wise is is really [TS]

00:45:00   complicated and pretty impressive but [TS]

00:45:01   unfortunately creates a lot of bugs and [TS]

00:45:04   practice that cause people to have [TS]

00:45:05   things like messages appearing on all [TS]

00:45:07   but one device or messages appearing in [TS]

00:45:10   different orders and different devices [TS]

00:45:11   and things like that [TS]

00:45:13   this should if if done correctly and if [TS]

00:45:17   done well this should make your messages [TS]

00:45:19   the same on all your devices and it also [TS]

00:45:22   brings additional benefits of things [TS]

00:45:26   like if you set up a brand new Mac from [TS]

00:45:28   scratch for instance and you log into to [TS]

00:45:30   iMessage you don't get all the old [TS]

00:45:32   messages also if you delete a [TS]

00:45:36   conversation somewhere like if you get [TS]

00:45:37   spam and you delete it in one place it [TS]

00:45:40   doesn't get deleted on all the other [TS]

00:45:41   devices it like you have to delete [TS]

00:45:42   delete delete conversations in every [TS]

00:45:44   place separately so like there's there's [TS]

00:45:46   a lot of big and small benefits to this [TS]

00:45:49   if it works correctly and completely [TS]

00:45:52   that is a big if but if they can pull it [TS]

00:45:55   off the benefits are pretty big yeah [TS]

00:45:57   like well I think of this is aligning [TS]

00:46:00   messages with the mental model I've [TS]

00:46:02   always ended I had in my head about [TS]

00:46:04   messages that there's one conversation [TS]

00:46:06   that participate in from different [TS]

00:46:09   devices but it's always one conversation [TS]

00:46:11   right in the same way that our show [TS]

00:46:13   notes document it's one show notes [TS]

00:46:16   document I can edit it on my phone I can [TS]

00:46:18   edit on my iPad I can edit on my Mac at [TS]

00:46:20   work I can [TS]

00:46:21   I can home and you guys can all do the [TS]

00:46:22   same from whatever devices you have but [TS]

00:46:24   wherever I go the document looks like a [TS]

00:46:26   document that's how I my mental model of [TS]

00:46:28   iMessage conversations I'm conversing [TS]

00:46:31   with the person and no matter where I [TS]

00:46:32   converse with them the conversation is [TS]

00:46:34   the conversation so it's jarring to me [TS]

00:46:36   they would be jarring to me like the new [TS]

00:46:37   Mac setup to set up a new Mac and not [TS]

00:46:39   see that conversation at all or could go [TS]

00:46:42   to my Mac at work and not see a bunch of [TS]

00:46:44   messages that I had sent previously on [TS]

00:46:46   my phone because my Mac was asleep [TS]

00:46:47   during that time and they didn't [TS]

00:46:48   propagate or whatever now people who [TS]

00:46:50   don't have these problems and [TS]

00:46:51   everything's in sync if you limit the [TS]

00:46:53   number of places you converse and and or [TS]

00:46:57   if you're mess if your devices are [TS]

00:46:59   always online at the same time to accept [TS]

00:47:01   the propagations and all the [TS]

00:47:02   propagations work then maybe you won't [TS]

00:47:03   notice that but I think that's the [TS]

00:47:06   mental model most people have that it is [TS]

00:47:08   that it is a conversation and it's the [TS]

00:47:10   same conversation everywhere so that's [TS]

00:47:11   the promise of this one one more feature [TS]

00:47:13   by the way that Apple touts is actually [TS]

00:47:14   the first bullet point in their little [TS]

00:47:15   screen is free up space on your iPhone [TS]

00:47:18   by keeping photos and other attachments [TS]

00:47:19   in iCloud which right now like you'd be [TS]

00:47:23   surprised at how much space your [TS]

00:47:24   messages thing takes up if you go to [TS]

00:47:26   this you know because people send you [TS]

00:47:28   videos and they send you photos and you [TS]

00:47:29   don't want to delete things who's there [TS]

00:47:31   Cubans maybe something sometimes you [TS]

00:47:32   save them to your photo library or [TS]

00:47:33   whatever and one of the prompts for the [TS]

00:47:36   Iowa storage screen is like hey if you [TS]

00:47:38   want to save up some space you can [TS]

00:47:39   delete some all messages would be like I [TS]

00:47:40   don't want to delete all that stuff well [TS]

00:47:42   now apparently it will take the big [TS]

00:47:44   attachments and put them in iCloud and I [TS]

00:47:45   guess only when you scroll back to them [TS]

00:47:47   will it download them on demand or [TS]

00:47:48   something so anything's it frees up [TS]

00:47:50   space on our phone by using cloud [TS]

00:47:51   storage that were already paying for [TS]

00:47:52   it's good so that's another potential [TS]

00:47:54   advantage that doesn't speak to the the [TS]

00:47:57   mental model but it's good that's a huge [TS]

00:47:59   advantage in practice lots of people [TS]

00:48:01   have like massive you know multi gig [TS]

00:48:03   message multi gig messages that are just [TS]

00:48:05   sitting there taking up space in their [TS]

00:48:07   phone that they don't want to delete the [TS]

00:48:09   the upside of this is great you'll have [TS]

00:48:11   this option iCloud to store this things [TS]

00:48:13   in to free up space in your phone so you [TS]

00:48:15   won't be always running out of space the [TS]

00:48:17   downside is Apple's still pretty stingy [TS]

00:48:19   with iCloud stores oh you're gonna need [TS]

00:48:22   one of the paid plans and and possibly [TS]

00:48:24   even one of the larger plans so that [TS]

00:48:27   that is going to make this hurt for a [TS]

00:48:29   lot of people but I I think at this [TS]

00:48:32   point [TS]

00:48:34   if you want a good experience using [TS]

00:48:36   Apple devices you're gonna have to just [TS]

00:48:39   factor in the price of a you know small [TS]

00:48:41   to mid-size iCloud storage plan at least [TS]

00:48:43   like it just as when you're deciding [TS]

00:48:45   whether to whether to have an iPhone you [TS]

00:48:46   just plan for this because in reality [TS]

00:48:50   you're going to need something beyond [TS]

00:48:53   the free you know five megabytes of [TS]

00:48:55   space they give you and I I'm that was a [TS]

00:48:57   joke not a measure and bring the unit it [TS]

00:48:59   feels like five megabytes right it does [TS]

00:49:01   right like it might as well be it might [TS]

00:49:03   as well be five kilobytes like that like [TS]

00:49:05   in in this day and age with the amount [TS]

00:49:06   of stuff that's stored in iCloud that's [TS]

00:49:08   that is kind of insulting but it's at [TS]

00:49:11   this point I'm also I've given up on [TS]

00:49:14   like trying to like wish and hope that [TS]

00:49:16   Apple's gonna raise the free limit on [TS]

00:49:18   iCloud and make the plans all bigger and [TS]

00:49:20   super price competitive like no they're [TS]

00:49:22   not going to they they're making a ton [TS]

00:49:24   of money the way it is now they're not [TS]

00:49:25   gonna change that [TS]

00:49:26   so oh well that you've acted in as the [TS]

00:49:29   cost of having these devices that if [TS]

00:49:30   you're going to have this and you want [TS]

00:49:32   the full experience of having the luxury [TS]

00:49:34   of iCloud doing all these things for you [TS]

00:49:35   and doing backups and everything else [TS]

00:49:37   you're gonna have to pay for an iCloud [TS]

00:49:38   plan and that's just part of it and by [TS]

00:49:40   the way the one of my tips for general [TS]

00:49:42   happiness of using iOS things is like [TS]

00:49:44   this is a problem a lot of people have [TS]

00:49:45   like I'm not paying for iCloud storage [TS]

00:49:47   which I understand it's expensive as [TS]

00:49:49   Marco said it's not as competitive as it [TS]

00:49:51   should be and they should give you more [TS]

00:49:53   and it should be cheaper but in the [TS]

00:49:56   grand scheme of things it doesn't cost [TS]

00:49:58   that much money to get more storage and [TS]

00:50:00   it will like the the amount of the [TS]

00:50:04   amount of improvement to your computing [TS]

00:50:05   life that you will get for $10 a month [TS]

00:50:07   of actually just paying for our cloud [TS]

00:50:08   storage it's well worth the $10 a month [TS]

00:50:11   right well as far as I'm concerned well [TS]

00:50:13   worth it because I hate having to deal [TS]

00:50:15   with storage problems and running out of [TS]

00:50:16   room and trying to manage things and [TS]

00:50:18   like you know especially for things like [TS]

00:50:20   photos if you used the photos in the [TS]

00:50:22   cloud feature you're not going to delete [TS]

00:50:23   your photos but are you gonna do when [TS]

00:50:24   you're in a storage you're just gonna [TS]

00:50:25   you know complain and grind your teeth [TS]

00:50:28   it's like just just pay for the storage [TS]

00:50:30   I know it's bad and with the family plan [TS]

00:50:31   by the way though you can pay for [TS]

00:50:33   storage for your whole family if you [TS]

00:50:34   have a family and they all have devices [TS]

00:50:36   the family plan is another good way to [TS]

00:50:38   not have to have stupid individual bills [TS]

00:50:40   for like your kids iCloud backup and [TS]

00:50:42   your other kids iCloud backup and your [TS]

00:50:44   spouse's iCloud [TS]

00:50:45   now you can do one bill and that will [TS]

00:50:48   further encourage you to get the big [TS]

00:50:49   plan for the whole family [TS]

00:50:51   and yes it cost money but ten dollars a [TS]

00:50:54   month for someone who can afford Apple [TS]

00:50:56   devices is not that much it will really [TS]

00:50:58   improve your life and it's I think it's [TS]

00:51:00   mostly a mental barrier like you know [TS]

00:51:02   people just don't want to pay for it in [TS]

00:51:03   the same way they don't want to pay for [TS]

00:51:04   applications but overcome that hurdle [TS]

00:51:06   yeah I would put it this way you know [TS]

00:51:08   for like people who do tech support for [TS]

00:51:11   their families just just by your parents [TS]

00:51:14   like don't tell them you're doing it but [TS]

00:51:15   just by them pay them the $10 a month [TS]

00:51:18   secretly pay for their storage plan like [TS]

00:51:20   that is another great investment of your [TS]

00:51:22   money the amount of aggravation you have [TS]

00:51:25   doing tech support and your parents if [TS]

00:51:26   you just secretly pay for the one [TS]

00:51:28   terabyte storage plan and put and put [TS]

00:51:30   them in a family with together and pay [TS]

00:51:31   for their storage plan enable iCloud [TS]

00:51:34   backup on all their devices just don't [TS]

00:51:35   even tell them just pay for it all just [TS]

00:51:36   do it yourself you will improve [TS]

00:51:39   everybody's life oh yeah yeah like [TS]

00:51:40   because we always advise people doing [TS]

00:51:42   that on their parents computers to [TS]

00:51:44   install like Backblaze or your cloud [TS]

00:51:46   backup of choice and just pay for just [TS]

00:51:48   yeah just pay just do it for them pay [TS]

00:51:49   for it because you know you as like the [TS]

00:51:52   the young adult probably don't care the [TS]

00:51:54   old people won't pay for it and yeah and [TS]

00:51:56   so it's like they need this you know [TS]

00:51:58   that they don't [TS]

00:51:59   so you just pay for it so on computers [TS]

00:52:01   that's Backblaze on their phones and [TS]

00:52:03   iPads [TS]

00:52:04   it's iCloud storage yeah your your [TS]

00:52:07   parents who have retired on their [TS]

00:52:08   astronomical pensions that they only [TS]

00:52:11   exist for generation after who are [TS]

00:52:14   taking vacations to Hawaii and living in [TS]

00:52:17   luxury and buying fancy cars will never [TS]

00:52:20   pay $10 a month what am I getting for [TS]

00:52:23   that money I have to pay for storage no [TS]

00:52:26   thanks I don't need backups it doesn't [TS]

00:52:28   make sense but that's that's the mindset [TS]

00:52:30   so you know since you're the one doing [TS]

00:52:33   tech support just just pay for their pay [TS]

00:52:35   for that $10 a month they carried you [TS]

00:52:36   for nine months in their body right so [TS]

00:52:38   the least you can do we respond to this [TS]

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00:54:44   what else in 11 three iBooks is no more [TS]

00:54:47   it's just plain books it's not no more [TS]

00:54:49   yeah they just renamed it I mean this is [TS]

00:54:51   the most substantial iBooks update in [TS]

00:54:52   years I think we did something recently [TS]

00:54:56   I know the updated iBooks Author I think [TS]

00:54:57   recently but uh yeah iBooks was the [TS]

00:55:02   second thing to get the iBook named [TS]

00:55:05   after the old computer and now it's got [TS]

00:55:08   its eyes stripped away joining what is [TS]

00:55:11   it joining [TS]

00:55:12   music what are the other generic ones [TS]

00:55:15   well numbers I guess maybe pages the [TS]

00:55:18   generically named applications now it's [TS]

00:55:21   just called books and as Jason Snell [TS]

00:55:24   said on Twitter I wonder if there's some [TS]

00:55:25   other hardware product Apple could use [TS]

00:55:27   the iBook name for what he's referring [TS]

00:55:29   to of course is iOS laptops which we [TS]

00:55:31   talked about last show and yeah that [TS]

00:55:33   would be a good use and it would be like [TS]

00:55:35   the iBook name coming back home to a [TS]

00:55:37   laptop form factor but not a Mac so [TS]

00:55:40   we'll say I think that would be cool [TS]

00:55:41   that I don't I don't know how likely [TS]

00:55:43   that is but that that would be a really [TS]

00:55:45   cool fun reason for this I think it [TS]

00:55:48   might be confusing because it seems like [TS]

00:55:49   iBook is still kind of in living memory [TS]

00:55:51   so to speak of the potential consumers [TS]

00:55:54   and like to have someone who previously [TS]

00:55:58   owned an iBook buy a new look and have [TS]

00:56:00   it not be a Mac it might be strange but [TS]

00:56:02   anyway is it this this changes [TS]

00:56:04   completely explicable by Apple's Drive [TS]

00:56:06   to name all of its products like Marco's [TS]

00:56:08   products like the magazine no one [TS]

00:56:10   product I named that way one I know it [TS]

00:56:18   seems so significant I can't think of a [TS]

00:56:23   good numbers pages music books movie [TS]

00:56:27   tunes iMovie is interesting because you [TS]

00:56:32   can't just rip off the eye because [TS]

00:56:33   that's just called movie yeah all right [TS]

00:56:38   so what's going on in Mac OS 10 dot 13.4 [TS]

00:56:43   probably a bunch of stuff but the only [TS]

00:56:45   thing that poked out at me is the the [TS]

00:56:48   long foreshadowed end of 32-bit we're [TS]

00:56:53   just not happening in ten thirteen four [TS]

00:56:55   but the foreshadowing continues [TS]

00:56:57   preparing for the end of 32-bit as [TS]

00:56:59   Apple says I think this isn't a release [TS]

00:57:02   notes to prepare for future release of [TS]

00:57:04   Mac OS and which 32-bit software will no [TS]

00:57:07   longer run without compromise well no [TS]

00:57:13   longer run you know not belong wrong [TS]

00:57:15   without compromises [TS]

00:57:16   well no long run without compromise [TS]

00:57:18   starting a mac OS I see are ten thirteen [TS]

00:57:20   for a user is notified at the launch of [TS]

00:57:22   an app that depends on thirty bit [TS]

00:57:23   software the alert [TS]

00:57:25   is only once per app so this is kind of [TS]

00:57:27   like I'm look good does an iOS to like [TS]

00:57:29   for a while [TS]

00:57:29   32-bit applications would pop up a [TS]

00:57:31   dialog that says this may slow down your [TS]

00:57:34   phone or is not optimized or had some [TS]

00:57:36   message like that yeah yeah that would [TS]

00:57:38   translate to if you knew what it was [TS]

00:57:40   talking about this is 32-bit up and then [TS]

00:57:41   eventually on iOS like yeah no those [TS]

00:57:44   aren't going to launch anymore this this [TS]

00:57:45   application needs to be updated for a [TS]

00:57:46   blah blah blah right so the fun thing [TS]

00:57:49   about 10 13 4 is that if you're a [TS]

00:57:51   developer you can reboot your Mac with [TS]

00:57:53   the Buddha or - no 32 exec and it will [TS]

00:57:57   stop all 32-bit processes from launching [TS]

00:57:59   right so then you can try to use your [TS]

00:58:01   app like you think your app is clean and [TS]

00:58:03   it's the 64-bit clean that doesn't [TS]

00:58:04   require any 32-bit frameworks doesn't [TS]

00:58:06   invoke any 32-bit commands doesn't do [TS]

00:58:07   anything 32-bit fine reboot your Mac in [TS]

00:58:10   this developer mode that will forbid any [TS]

00:58:12   32-bit stuff from running and you'll see [TS]

00:58:15   if it's broken of course this is a [TS]

00:58:16   developer mode for people who are [TS]

00:58:18   developing applications users should not [TS]

00:58:20   do this because half the stuff that you [TS]

00:58:21   use from day-to-day will probably be [TS]

00:58:23   broken including including parts of the [TS]

00:58:24   OS or other things that you know are [TS]

00:58:27   command-line programs that have 32-bit [TS]

00:58:29   parts or you know lots doesn't put it [TS]

00:58:31   this way I bet there is a surprising [TS]

00:58:33   amount of 32-bit software lurking in [TS]

00:58:35   everybody's Mac at this point but this [TS]

00:58:37   is the only way you get to a 64-bit [TS]

00:58:39   clean world Apple doesn't say what [TS]

00:58:42   future version of Mac OS the where [TS]

00:58:46   32-bit software would no longer run and [TS]

00:58:48   it also doesn't explain what compromise [TS]

00:58:50   they're talking about because if they [TS]

00:58:51   had just said will no longer run I'd be [TS]

00:58:53   like oh that's just what happened to my [TS]

00:58:54   I was 32-bit stuff no longer runs fair [TS]

00:58:57   enough right but compromise makes me [TS]

00:58:59   think there's going to be some kind of [TS]

00:59:01   way to still run 32-bit stuff just [TS]

00:59:03   because it seems like Apple doesn't have [TS]

00:59:05   as much faith in the Apple developer or [TS]

00:59:09   the Mac developer community to bring [TS]

00:59:11   everything to 64-bit like there's just [TS]

00:59:13   not enough of them and they're just not [TS]

00:59:14   motivated enough to bring everything so [TS]

00:59:16   there will always be this really long [TS]

00:59:17   tail of stragglers where in iOS they're [TS]

00:59:19   like look we're going 64-bit if you [TS]

00:59:22   don't care enough about your app support [TS]

00:59:23   it fine there's a thousand other apps [TS]

00:59:24   it'll take your place we don't care but [TS]

00:59:26   on the Mac I don't know if that's the [TS]

00:59:28   case so I'm very interested to see what [TS]

00:59:31   the compromise is and how they managed [TS]

00:59:33   to run 32-bit stuff in an OS that more [TS]

00:59:36   or less doesn't support they could use [TS]

00:59:38   some kind of [TS]

00:59:38   think some kind of weird hypervisor [TS]

00:59:40   thing who knows but you know my guess is [TS]

00:59:44   it's the it's 10:14 we'll find out the [TS]

00:59:46   answer to that question to go back a [TS]

00:59:48   step I forgot to mention that a health [TS]

00:59:50   records is also new in 11 3 I think that [TS]

00:59:53   completely slipped my mind and it's not [TS]

00:59:56   clear how that works like I see this [TS]

00:59:57   yeah that seems cool but how does [TS]