The Accidental Tech Podcast

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01:01:01 ◼   ► interesting news coming out of Apple [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► Park you know previously known as Apple [TS]

01:01:05 ◼   ► Campus 2 it seems that it's a hazardous [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► place to work and it seems that people [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► are running into glass walls I don't [TS]

01:01:14 ◼   ► even know where the genesis of this [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► story was but apparently somebody has a [TS]

01:01:18 ◼   ► mast I've seen a link at some point [TS]

01:01:20 ◼   ► somebody has amassed 911 calls that [TS]

01:01:23 ◼   ► relate to people walking into the glass [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► walls at Apple Park or something like [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► that [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► what's going on here I mean this is a [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► problem that almost every office [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► building that does a glass design or a [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► glass redesign has at some point I mean [TS]

01:01:41 ◼   ► like when I remember when I interviewed [TS]

01:01:43 ◼   ► as I was job seeking for the job that [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► eventually ended up being tumblr back in [TS]

01:01:49 ◼   ► 2006 I had an interview of Bloomberg and [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► here in New York and they had all glass [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► everywhere and it was very very hard for [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► me to navigate that office like I [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► couldn't fly like like look around the [TS]

01:02:01 ◼   ► rooms like fine like where's the door [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► out of the room I am in like you had to [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► really look hard to see like which of [TS]

01:02:07 ◼   ► these walls is a door actually it was [TS]

01:02:09 ◼   ► very very strange I was part of the [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► interview process this part of the test [TS]

01:02:13 ◼   ► god I failed so many tests in that [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► interview I felt every test including [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► try to escape the room but anyway and I [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► remember it was a fairly moderate like [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► the building was fairly young at that [TS]

01:02:26 ◼   ► point and I remember a few the employees [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► telling me that they had to install rows [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► of logo stickers at eye level on all the [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► glass because people kept running into [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► it now as this story has played out [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► today with Apple Park we've heard so [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► many like Twitter responses and people [TS]

01:02:44 ◼   ► in the chat talking about it about like [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► how this happens in like every office [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► building that that does that goes with [TS]

01:02:50 ◼   ► all glass for all the walls inside like [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► people always earns them all the time [TS]

01:02:53 ◼   ► and they always have to end up you know [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► installing some kind of sticker or [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► something you know to make the glass not [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► transparent in a really obvious eye [TS]

01:03:00 ◼   ► level place so the fact that people are [TS]

01:03:04 ◼   ► running into glass with apparently no [TS]

01:03:06 ◼   ► decoration or insufficient decoration on [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► it is not surprising at all that is I [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► think it's a well proven thing that that [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► happens so that isn't surprising at all [TS]

01:03:16 ◼   ► it the only surprising part of this to [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► me and and the kind of sad part is like [TS]

01:03:20 ◼   ► did they not know this would happen it [TS]

01:03:23 ◼   ► this is not a new thing that happens in [TS]

01:03:25 ◼   ► glass buildings like surely someone had [TS]

01:03:28 ◼   ► to have told Johnny I've super along the [TS]

01:03:30 ◼   ► design of this like someone had to have [TS]

01:03:33 ◼   ► mentioned this like so how did this come [TS]

01:03:35 ◼   ► how does this how does the building get [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► designed with this ignored that that's [TS]

01:03:40 ◼   ► what I want to know like again it's like [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► it's almost like the home pod brain [TS]

01:03:42 ◼   ► thing it's like did they not know like I [TS]

01:03:44 ◼   ► don't know it it's concerning either way [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► like they should have known and this is [TS]

01:03:49 ◼   ► again this is a small thing this is not [TS]

01:03:51 ◼   ► I mean the only reason we're talking [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► about this is because we just fell on [TS]

01:03:54 ◼   ► the last topic and yeah it's too late to [TS]

01:03:56 ◼   ► start a new big topic right now [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► so you know this is not a huge topic [TS]

01:04:00 ◼   ► this is not a huge deal [TS]

01:04:01 ◼   ► just like the home pod ring not a huge [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► deal but just kind of an embarrassing [TS]

01:04:05 ◼   ► story that like the the interesting and [TS]

01:04:09 ◼   ► worrisome part about it is not the [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► actual thing that is happening but that [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► it seems to indicate a pretty [TS]

01:04:16 ◼   ► substantial failure in process along the [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► way like why didn't they foresee this [TS]

01:04:22 ◼   ► this is not a new problem everyone who's [TS]

01:04:24 ◼   ► ever designed or [TS]

01:04:26 ◼   ► worked in glass office buildings [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► probably knows about this problem so why [TS]

01:04:30 ◼   ► didn't they accommodate for it here but [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► it looks so nice that's that's really [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► part of it like so every every building [TS]

01:04:39 ◼   ► has bugs it's not like a software thing [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► but every building especially new [TS]

01:04:44 ◼   ► buildings large complexes they have bugs [TS]

01:04:45 ◼   ► whether it's like a particular way that [TS]

01:04:49 ◼   ► it was constructed that wears out sooner [TS]

01:04:51 ◼   ► than you thought or people walk in a [TS]

01:04:53 ◼   ► path that you didn't expect and so you [TS]

01:04:55 ◼   ► got to move some things around or sight [TS]

01:04:57 ◼   ► lines that you didn't expect to be a [TS]

01:04:59 ◼   ► problem when the Sun is at a particular [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► angle and reflects off this particular [TS]

01:05:01 ◼   ► thing goes into this person's eyes or [TS]

01:05:03 ◼   ► whatever like but buildings have bugs [TS]

01:05:05 ◼   ► and so you weren't you expect there's [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► gonna be stuff like that in every [TS]

01:05:07 ◼   ► building but as you said mark out like [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► for the glass stuff it's not an [TS]

01:05:12 ◼   ► unforeseen thing and it's not an [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► emergent property of a complex system [TS]

01:05:15 ◼   ► it's they varied overly picked materials [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► and they didn't just use them a little [TS]

01:05:19 ◼   ► bit like this is a glass heavy building [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► tremendously glass I feel like it sounds [TS]

01:05:24 ◼   ► like the Bloomberg thing was it's not [TS]

01:05:25 ◼   ► like you're just using it as an [TS]

01:05:26 ◼   ► interface element along with everything [TS]

01:05:29 ◼   ► else it's very heavily used like the [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► largest pieces of glass in the world are [TS]

01:05:33 ◼   ► here and it does look really good and [TS]

01:05:37 ◼   ► like I was tempted to say this is [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► another example of like you know form [TS]

01:05:41 ◼   ► over function where if I think when we [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► talked about this building for I said I [TS]

01:05:45 ◼   ► didn't have confidence that Johnny I've [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► really understood what it took to make a [TS]

01:05:49 ◼   ► functional building although I knew he [TS]

01:05:51 ◼   ► would make a beautiful one and this [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► might call into that category but I [TS]

01:05:54 ◼   ► think there is actually a functional [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► aspect to all this glass which is part [TS]

01:05:57 ◼   ► of the part of the utility of the [TS]

01:05:59 ◼   ► building is not just you know can you [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► find all the places you want to go very [TS]

01:06:04 ◼   ► well is there room for everything is the [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► air circulate well all those sort of [TS]

01:06:07 ◼   ► like what makes good user nice on a [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► building but aesthetics actually are [TS]

01:06:12 ◼   ► part of like any product but perhaps [TS]

01:06:13 ◼   ► even more so for a building allowing a [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► natural light in being inspired by the [TS]

01:06:17 ◼   ► views feeling like you're you know [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► inside indoors outdoors with like a [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► complete glass thing from floor to [TS]

01:06:22 ◼   ► ceiling gives a different feeling than [TS]

01:06:24 ◼   ► it would if it was just a window in a [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► wall right so there is I think a [TS]

01:06:27 ◼   ► functional aspect to all of this glass [TS]

01:06:29 ◼   ► and unfortunately a lot of the solutions [TS]

01:06:31 ◼   ► that fix this problem like the stickers [TS]

01:06:34 ◼   ► at eye level or whatever fly in the face [TS]

01:06:37 ◼   ► of all the advantages that you're [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► getting you [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► don't feel like you're you're outdoors [TS]

01:06:41 ◼   ► indoors type of thing when your [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► beautiful wall of glass is marred by a [TS]

01:06:45 ◼   ► bunch of Apple stickers Johnny I would [TS]

01:06:46 ◼   ► have a heart attack if you're just a [TS]

01:06:47 ◼   ► bunch of apple stickers all of these [TS]

01:06:49 ◼   ► things well that's what they're doing in [TS]

01:06:50 ◼   ► some cases is like putting you know tape [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► or anything else like it's just it's [TS]

01:06:54 ◼   ► gaudy it breaks up the appearance that [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► you want it kills the illusion of [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► transparency of the glass it makes [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► everything uglier and worse like I was [TS]

01:07:04 ◼   ► thinking they do it like they do in the [TS]

01:07:06 ◼   ► diving pool in the Olympics where they [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► have a constant spray of water agitating [TS]

01:07:10 ◼   ► the surface so you can see where the [TS]

01:07:11 ◼   ► surface of the water is you know for the [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► diver as they come down they just [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► something should have constant sprays of [TS]

01:07:15 ◼   ► water onto the onto the walls and to do [TS]

01:07:17 ◼   ► some one of those glass waterfall [TS]

01:07:19 ◼   ► effects without kind of ruined rim the [TS]

01:07:21 ◼   ► aesthetic as well so I don't know what [TS]

01:07:23 ◼   ► the solution this is because I kind of [TS]

01:07:26 ◼   ► understand that the glass stuff is not [TS]

01:07:30 ◼   ► just an aesthetic so the building looks [TS]

01:07:32 ◼   ► pretty I really do believe it probably [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► enhances the experience of being in the [TS]

01:07:36 ◼   ► building in an important way right for [TS]

01:07:39 ◼   ► the people in the building not the [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► people outside looking at it but I mean [TS]

01:07:45 ◼   ► maybe there was a little bit of wishful [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► thinking in terms of all right so we [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► know this is a problem we know people [TS]

01:07:51 ◼   ► run into glass a lot but after a [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► breaking-in period eventually people [TS]

01:07:57 ◼   ► will develop the flint reflexes or [TS]

01:07:59 ◼   ► something like people people will will [TS]

01:08:00 ◼   ► adjust their daily paths to not do this [TS]

01:08:03 ◼   ► it'll become more aware or this door the [TS]

01:08:05 ◼   ► people keep running into will make sure [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► we keep it open 24 hours a day to make [TS]

01:08:08 ◼   ► sure it's not a factor anymore I think [TS]

01:08:09 ◼   ► they might have been optimistic about [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► how much people will eventually adjust [TS]

01:08:13 ◼   ► to it and we'll see maybe maybe they [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► don't know you know what they should do [TS]

01:08:16 ◼   ► when you first walk into the building [TS]

01:08:18 ◼   ► just slide it a little splash screen [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► tells people hey just so you know [TS]

01:08:22 ◼   ► there's glass everywhere watch out walk [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► with your hands straight out in front of [TS]

01:08:26 ◼   ► you yeah so and probably know maybe they [TS]

01:08:30 ◼   ► will get used to it like this is this is [TS]

01:08:31 ◼   ► the growing pains of this building its [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► early days maybe people will eventually [TS]

01:08:34 ◼   ► get used to it [TS]

01:08:35 ◼   ► but if they don't the solution I think [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► if you want to keep the glasses I think [TS]

01:08:42 ◼   ► what you have to do is change the non [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► glass parts of the building to [TS]

01:08:47 ◼   ► essentially herd people to the openings [TS]

01:08:51 ◼   ► right [TS]

01:08:52 ◼   ► so you want you want the building to [TS]

01:08:55 ◼   ► guide you like it should be less work to [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► just go when the building wants you to [TS]

01:08:59 ◼   ► go and you should find yourself coming [TS]

01:09:01 ◼   ► to the place where the door is and the [TS]

01:09:04 ◼   ► door hopefully will have a handle in it [TS]

01:09:05 ◼   ► so you see that yes this is the place [TS]

01:09:07 ◼   ► where the door is right you want like [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► the idea of just having a giant [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► expansive glass that sometime is open [TS]

01:09:12 ◼   ► and sometimes is closed that's like [TS]

01:09:13 ◼   ► three football fields wide like the [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► cafeteria doors strikes me as a bad idea [TS]

01:09:17 ◼   ► because there's no hurting of anybody [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► and when the door is closed it looks [TS]

01:09:21 ◼   ► just like it's open like you know so I [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► think if you want to keep the glass you [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► have to you have to make the building [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► accommodate to us and maybe that's [TS]

01:09:29 ◼   ► exactly what they've been trying to do [TS]

01:09:30 ◼   ► everywhere and they just missed a couple [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► spots in that case they just ad need to [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► like rearrange the furniture and put a [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► different pattern on the floor and do [TS]

01:09:36 ◼   ► all those of the tricks that sort of [TS]

01:09:37 ◼   ► subtly guide you to where you where the [TS]

01:09:40 ◼   ► building wants you to go and flow with [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► the traffic especially with large groups [TS]

01:09:43 ◼   ► of people like it's easy for like one or [TS]

01:09:45 ◼   ► two people on a house to guide people [TS]

01:09:46 ◼   ► around but in a giant campus you have to [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► have large apertures to accommodate you [TS]

01:09:51 ◼   ► know hundreds of thousands of people [TS]

01:09:52 ◼   ► going to and from lunch or whatever and [TS]

01:09:54 ◼   ► that is the that's that's the challenge [TS]

01:09:56 ◼   ► they face I really really hope the [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► eventual solution is not to put a bunch [TS]

01:10:01 ◼   ► of bloomberg stickers and I love all [TS]

01:10:02 ◼   ► residents will be weird dead lumpur [TS]

01:10:04 ◼   ► stickers on Apple's campus because that [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► is just they're just designed failure on [TS]

01:10:08 ◼   ► all levels it's aesthetically gross and [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► it just it ruins all the benefits that [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► you're supposedly getting from the glass [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► so here's how you do this hold the glass [TS]

01:10:19 ◼   ► at exactly a 78 degree angle get a can [TS]

01:10:22 ◼   ► of compressed air turn the can upside [TS]

01:10:24 ◼   ► down like and spread the constant spray [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► of water just a constant spray of [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► compressed air going on the glass that [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► fogs it up and lets you see all of them [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► or they can do what they do then the ski [TS]

01:10:34 ◼   ► jumps where they put pine boughs and [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► everything they just you ever see them [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► where they go to the back flips off the [TS]

01:10:38 ◼   ► ski jump at the Olympics they don't want [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► the slope that they land on to be [TS]

01:10:40 ◼   ► completely wiped is that I can't again [TS]

01:10:42 ◼   ► they can't do depth perception to see [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► where it is when they flip to the air so [TS]

01:10:44 ◼   ► they put like dirt and and other [TS]

01:10:46 ◼   ► dark-colored junk all over it at least [TS]

01:10:49 ◼   ► that would be natural it's just just a [TS]

01:10:50 ◼   ► bunch of pine needles stuck to the [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► windows what if they use like like kind [TS]

01:10:54 ◼   ► of like fiber-optic style like light [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► guide lighting in the glass panes so [TS]

01:10:58 ◼   ► that all the panes of glass can eat like [TS]

01:11:00 ◼   ► each department can pick a different [TS]

01:11:01 ◼   ► like neon color that all their glass [TS]

01:11:03 ◼   ► will be lit with all right I got it [TS]

01:11:06 ◼   ► perfectly not that we're gonna [TS]

01:11:07 ◼   ► transition to accidental neutral quite [TS]

01:11:09 ◼   ► at this point but they need driver aids [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► right so if you are approaching if you [TS]

01:11:13 ◼   ► are approaching a glass wall to speed [TS]

01:11:15 ◼   ► they feel a collision is imminent the [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► glass wall should change to like in one [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► of those transparent LCD screens and say [TS]

01:11:21 ◼   ► warning stop wall is in front of you [TS]

01:11:23 ◼   ► goodness so there's some transcripts on [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► the San Francisco Chronicle website [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► dispatcher tell me exactly what happened [TS]

01:11:30 ◼   ► patient I walked into a glass door in [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► the first floor of Apple Park when I was [TS]

01:11:34 ◼   ► trying to go outside which was very [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► silly [TS]

01:11:37 ◼   ► dispatcher you keep breaking up you [TS]

01:11:39 ◼   ► walked through a glass door patient I [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► didn't walk through a glass door I [TS]

01:11:42 ◼   ► walked into a glass door yeah speaking [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► of those big glass doors like the I [TS]

01:11:49 ◼   ► guess the cafeteria doors though forever [TS]

01:11:51 ◼   ► like the the the eating place I'm sure [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► they don't call it a cafeteria because [TS]

01:11:54 ◼   ► that's not fancy enough but like has [TS]

01:11:56 ◼   ► like what four story or three story high [TS]

01:11:58 ◼   ► glass doors that way some astronomical [TS]

01:12:00 ◼   ► amount right and they they slide open [TS]

01:12:03 ◼   ► like barn doors and they're just huge [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► expanses of glass and I was thinking [TS]

01:12:08 ◼   ► about this about a month ago looking at [TS]

01:12:10 ◼   ► the pictures of really you know the for [TS]

01:12:11 ◼   ► the final building being constructed now [TS]

01:12:14 ◼   ► I'm sure this building have me haven't [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► been constructing California has all [TS]

01:12:17 ◼   ► sorts of like earthquake readiness stuff [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► built into it because surely the codes [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► require that and surely Apple would do [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► that right and they consider the [TS]

01:12:23 ◼   ► possibility that these doors cause [TS]

01:12:25 ◼   ► earthquakes when they open they're very [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► simple it's very it's very well [TS]

01:12:29 ◼   ► lubricated mechanism it's almost [TS]

01:12:30 ◼   ► noiseless it's beautiful but and I know [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► glass bends right but these are very [TS]

01:12:37 ◼   ► large very heavy pieces of glass and [TS]

01:12:40 ◼   ► probably the last place I would want to [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► be during an earthquake is near one of [TS]

01:12:44 ◼   ► these giant sheets of glass because I [TS]

01:12:46 ◼   ► don't want a chunk of glass falling from [TS]

01:12:49 ◼   ► four stories up onto my head to run a [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► house budgets like safety grass and [TS]

01:12:53 ◼   ► breaks into small pieces or just from [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► the sheer weight like forget about [TS]

01:12:56 ◼   ► sharpness pretended to stay completely [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► dull because it's safety glass and [TS]

01:12:59 ◼   ► breaks into small pieces it's like a [TS]

01:13:01 ◼   ► clear Rock landing on your head from [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► four stories up which i think is a you [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► know maybe also problem in skyscrapers [TS]

01:13:08 ◼   ► were in you're on the outside of them [TS]

01:13:09 ◼   ► like the glass shatters or whatever and [TS]

01:13:11 ◼   ► falls down under the street and kills [TS]

01:13:12 ◼   ► people but it just I would love to know [TS]

01:13:15 ◼   ► exactly what the earthquake mitigation [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► techniques were to make it safe to have [TS]

01:13:21 ◼   ► four stories of like inch-and-a-half [TS]

01:13:23 ◼   ► nate thick glass like 17 tons of it just [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► sitting where people could be right next [TS]

01:13:29 ◼   ► to it people could literally be touching [TS]

01:13:30 ◼   ► it or in the process of walking to it at [TS]

01:13:32 ◼   ► the time it starts to wobble and parts [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► of it crack off and fall down to the [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► ground so seems a little bit scary to me [TS]

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01:15:33 ◼   ► they would apparently like to know all [TS]

01:15:35 ◼   ► sorts of rules protocol and strategies [TS]

01:15:39 ◼   ► with regard to windowing in our cars so [TS]

01:15:42 ◼   ► first how do you use the windows in your [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► car always closed always open I will [TS]

01:15:47 ◼   ► start and we'll do a round robin I tend [TS]

01:15:49 ◼   ► to leave the windows and the doors [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► closed almost always unless it is a [TS]

01:15:54 ◼   ► particularly nice day in which case they [TS]

01:15:57 ◼   ► will usually be opened all the way it is [TS]

01:16:00 ◼   ► very rare that I have anything but a [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► binary treatment of my windows one [TS]

01:16:03 ◼   ► example of when they are cracked however [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► which is very rare is if I have any sort [TS]

01:16:07 ◼   ► of food in the car in which case I will [TS]

01:16:10 ◼   ► try to ventilate the outside air by [TS]

01:16:12 ◼   ► cracking the windows and we will get to [TS]

01:16:15 ◼   ► Sun roofs in a Sun in a moment so John [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► how do you use the windows in your car [TS]

01:16:20 ◼   ► does your car have a sunroof I don't [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► recall no can't because I've had to [TS]

01:16:23 ◼   ► remember that well I thought I knew you [TS]

01:16:25 ◼   ► preferred not I couldn't remember if it [TS]

01:16:26 ◼   ► did or not nope ok so with your windows [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► windows I'm almost always an always [TS]

01:16:32 ◼   ► closed person mostly for two reasons one [TS]

01:16:36 ◼   ► yes the hair mussing because it is a [TS]

01:16:38 ◼   ► real thing like if I have my windows [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► open and I show up at work my hair will [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► be crazy yep and to most of the cars [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► that I've owned have required a complex [TS]

01:16:50 ◼   ► series of baffles to not have weird [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► thrumming noises you got to have [TS]

01:16:53 ◼   ► alternative windows open one on one side [TS]

01:16:55 ◼   ► one on the other front end stuff like [TS]

01:16:57 ◼   ► that it doesn't make for a pleasing [TS]

01:17:00 ◼   ► auditory environment even if I don't [TS]

01:17:02 ◼   ► care about my hair so I'm an all clothes [TS]

01:17:03 ◼   ► person most of the time [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► all right Marco most of the time they're [TS]

01:17:09 ◼   ► closed because most of the time the [TS]

01:17:11 ◼   ► temperature outside is not pleasant in [TS]

01:17:13 ◼   ► one direction or the other [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► but when the temperature outside is [TS]

01:17:16 ◼   ► pleasant and if I'm if I'm at low speeds [TS]

01:17:19 ◼   ► like around town like not on the highway [TS]

01:17:21 ◼   ► I'll open a window here and there [TS]

01:17:23 ◼   ► sometimes I will just crack the window [TS]

01:17:24 ◼   ► to feel the cool air cleanse my every [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► pore as I pour my poor heart out but [TS]

01:17:29 ◼   ► usually I will just open one either all [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► the way or not at all [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► I don't know that song I didn't [TS]

01:17:34 ◼   ► reference KZ no I did not I could tell [TS]

01:17:36 ◼   ► it was a reference I had no idea what it [TS]

01:17:38 ◼   ► was was it is it fish can't be Fisher's [TS]

01:17:40 ◼   ► too many words No [TS]

01:17:41 ◼   ► all right and the follow-up of course is [TS]

01:17:43 ◼   ► how to use the sunroof and then vamsee [TS]

01:17:45 ◼   ► adds this I really don't get just got a [TS]

01:17:47 ◼   ► car with one Australian summers boiling [TS]

01:17:49 ◼   ► so I haven't had a chance to open it [TS]

01:17:51 ◼   ► again I will start and we'll do another [TS]

01:17:54 ◼   ► round robin I love my sunroof I will [TS]

01:17:57 ◼   ► open it in truly absurd well maybe not [TS]

01:18:00 ◼   ► absurd but in temperatures where I [TS]

01:18:01 ◼   ► probably shouldn't have a ton sunroof [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► open so as soon as it hits about 50 [TS]

01:18:04 ◼   ► degrees Fahrenheit and I don't care what [TS]

01:18:06 ◼   ► that isn't Celsius because Celsius is [TS]

01:18:07 ◼   ► stupid for ambient air temperature don't [TS]

01:18:09 ◼   ► at me whatever 50 degrees is in stupid [TS]

01:18:12 ◼   ► units I will start opening my sunroof [TS]

01:18:14 ◼   ► from time to time and it will be open [TS]

01:18:17 ◼   ► pretty much until it hits about 80 [TS]

01:18:20 ◼   ► degrees and that's about when I decide [TS]

01:18:21 ◼   ► that air conditioning is absolutely [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► required and there's no other way about [TS]

01:18:25 ◼   ► it Marco let's start with you this time [TS]

01:18:27 ◼   ► I use the sunroof during the winter a [TS]

01:18:31 ◼   ► lot during spring and fall sometimes and [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► during summer not at all because I [TS]

01:18:35 ◼   ► believe I previously mentioned I don't [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► have that much hair and I get a head [TS]

01:18:38 ◼   ► burn really easily if it gets a lot of [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► Sun I keep a hat in my car for mainly [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► for the purpose of being able to use my [TS]

01:18:44 ◼   ► sunroof but in the summertime sometimes [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► I just don't want to have the liability [TS]

01:18:50 ◼   ► of the hat blowing off and so I I get a [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► lot of sunroof use in the cooler [TS]

01:18:55 ◼   ► temperatures when when sunburn is less [TS]

01:18:58 ◼   ► likely or less of a bless of a concern [TS]

01:19:01 ◼   ► one of the favorite one of my favorite [TS]

01:19:04 ◼   ► things to do with the sunroof is to open [TS]

01:19:05 ◼   ► it during the winter because you could [TS]

01:19:08 ◼   ► have the heat on in the car but have the [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► sunroof partially or totally open so [TS]

01:19:14 ◼   ► much for saving the environment am i [TS]

01:19:15 ◼   ► right compared to what your car is [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► burning compared to what my car is [TS]

01:19:19 ◼   ► burning I think so I'm turning on the [TS]

01:19:21 ◼   ► heat and then opening the sunroof well [TS]

01:19:23 ◼   ► and so and you can also do things like [TS]

01:19:25 ◼   ► you know just use like the heated seat [TS]

01:19:26 ◼   ► but not use the air heating so you are [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► kept warm but you have fresh air so [TS]

01:19:32 ◼   ► there's lots of options of combining the [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► sunroof with heat or you know the lack [TS]

01:19:37 ◼   ► of heat in the car but is a very [TS]

01:19:39 ◼   ► pleasant thing to have fresh air coming [TS]

01:19:42 ◼   ► in but to not be freezing your butt off [TS]

01:19:45 ◼   ► in the winter that to me is the best [TS]

01:19:48 ◼   ► reason to have a sunroof is is the use [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► of it in the wintertime I will say that [TS]

01:19:52 ◼   ► a that a good solid floor he [TS]

01:19:54 ◼   ► with the with the ventilated roof is a [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► nice thing I don't usually do that it's [TS]

01:19:59 ◼   ► not something I enjoy often but you know [TS]

01:20:02 ◼   ► having the heat coming up from the floor [TS]

01:20:03 ◼   ► rising up and then escaping out the [TS]

01:20:05 ◼   ► sunroof is actually quite pleasant John [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► if you had a sunroof hypothetically do [TS]

01:20:11 ◼   ► you ever fancy a time that you would use [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► it my parents cars have had them so I've [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► had them enough to know whether I use [TS]

01:20:19 ◼   ► them and basically I treated like a [TS]

01:20:21 ◼   ► window in general no I don't want it [TS]

01:20:22 ◼   ► open for the same reasons hair mussing [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► and throwing noises I don't and now that [TS]

01:20:27 ◼   ► my hair is thinning on top I'd probably [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► have the same problem with with head [TS]

01:20:31 ◼   ► burn so I think I would probably not use [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► it even if I had it head burn is not fun [TS]

01:20:36 ◼   ► as someone who is far and away the [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► fussiest about his hair I can tell you [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► that I can rock the sunroof reasonably [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► frequently without worrying about my [TS]

01:20:46 ◼   ► hair getting too messed up whereas that [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► is not typically true with the side [TS]

01:20:50 ◼   ► windows if I open them more than just a [TS]

01:20:52 ◼   ► crack [TS]

01:20:52 ◼   ► you got more product in your hair than I [TS]

01:20:54 ◼   ► do though oh it's pretty much welded at [TS]

01:20:56 ◼   ► this point there's so much junk in there [TS]

01:20:58 ◼   ► you know for if anybody out there feels [TS]

01:21:01 ◼   ► bad for me that I don't have good hair [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► just know that I don't have to worry [TS]

01:21:05 ◼   ► about any of that BS like my hair cannot [TS]

01:21:09 ◼   ► be messed up it's glorious I can I can [TS]

01:21:12 ◼   ► leave all the windows down and this [TS]

01:21:14 ◼   ► hundred of open and drive on the highway [TS]

01:21:17 ◼   ► and yet just tons of wind to the point [TS]

01:21:20 ◼   ► where like if I have like a loose tissue [TS]

01:21:22 ◼   ► in the back of my car it might blow out [TS]

01:21:24 ◼   ► the window so I have to like make sure I [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► like everything is like anchored down in [TS]

01:21:29 ◼   ► the vehicle but I can I can drive in [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► pure wind like that which is awesome in [TS]

01:21:34 ◼   ► the summertime when you drive a nice to [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► the beach by the way and it's wonderful [TS]

01:21:37 ◼   ► and I guess where I'm going and my hair [TS]

01:21:40 ◼   ► isn't messed up because it can't be it's [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► amazing I go to the shower and it's dry [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► like it's done I just walk out of the [TS]

01:21:47 ◼   ► bathroom it's wonderful like so yeah [TS]

01:21:50 ◼   ► don't feel bad for me as these two were [TS]

01:21:52 ◼   ► talking about comparing the amount of [TS]

01:21:54 ◼   ► product in their hair and and how they [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► can't enjoy wind movement because it [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► might mess up their hair that's only for [TS]

01:22:00 ◼   ► going to work I'm glad you broke the [TS]

01:22:01 ◼   ► beach Beach is the one time where I do [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► open windows and I probably [TS]

01:22:04 ◼   ► a sunroof just to smell the beach air [TS]

01:22:07 ◼   ► and because no one should ever care [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► where the hair looks like when they're [TS]

01:22:09 ◼   ► going to or from the beach and I don't [TS]

01:22:10 ◼   ► fair enough [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► and finally when do you turn your [TS]

01:22:13 ◼   ► recirculation on or recirculating the [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► the air conditioning I don't typically [TS]

01:22:19 ◼   ► mess with this unless there is an odor [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► or I'm in a hurry to get the the car [TS]

01:22:24 ◼   ► either colder or warmer my car does have [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► an automatic recirculation feature I [TS]

01:22:30 ◼   ► have no idea if that's like a complete [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► placebo or if it actually does you know [TS]

01:22:34 ◼   ► flip recirculation on and off and so [TS]

01:22:37 ◼   ► typically I just leave that on but in in [TS]

01:22:39 ◼   ► Prior cars I would only ever really turn [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► recirculation on if I was in a real big [TS]

01:22:44 ◼   ► hurry to reach the temperature I wanted [TS]

01:22:46 ◼   ► John I think it's your turn now I am a [TS]

01:22:48 ◼   ► manual control even though my car has [TS]

01:22:51 ◼   ► automatic climate control I have manual [TS]

01:22:53 ◼   ► control or I'm a micro manager of [TS]

01:22:55 ◼   ► climate controls and recirculation [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► different i preemptively turn it on when [TS]

01:22:59 ◼   ► I know I'm going to be coming to a stop [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► behind a smoker because smokers are [TS]

01:23:02 ◼   ► disgusting and flickers dependent other [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► windows which they leave cracked open so [TS]

01:23:06 ◼   ► we're the entire world can enjoy their [TS]

01:23:07 ◼   ► stupid smoke and then they flick the [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► cigarette that their have done without [TS]

01:23:10 ◼   ► the window to I put three Sark on again [TS]

01:23:14 ◼   ► preemptively when I'm you know gonna be [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► stopped behind a big truck that's [TS]

01:23:18 ◼   ► spewing its stinky exhaust basically I [TS]

01:23:19 ◼   ► mean I know there's going to be an order [TS]

01:23:21 ◼   ► from the outside I turned on and the the [TS]

01:23:24 ◼   ► final time that I do it is yeah in the [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► summer when I want to get the car cooler [TS]

01:23:28 ◼   ► faster but only after I allow enough [TS]

01:23:30 ◼   ► fresh air in so the inside and outside [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► temperatures are equalized and in the [TS]

01:23:33 ◼   ► winter when my cars when my cars pour [TS]

01:23:36 ◼   ► heating system I can't keep up can't [TS]

01:23:40 ◼   ► like literally can't make the car warm [TS]

01:23:42 ◼   ► enough because it is so freakin cold [TS]

01:23:43 ◼   ► that the air coming out of the vents [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► gets appreciably warmer when I put [TS]

01:23:48 ◼   ► recirc on like in the really cold spell [TS]

01:23:51 ◼   ► that we have are it's like below zero [TS]

01:23:52 ◼   ► for several days in a row the car will [TS]

01:23:55 ◼   ► eventually warm up and be comfortable [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► enough but if you're on a shortness [TS]

01:23:59 ◼   ► drive where you don't have time to do [TS]

01:24:01 ◼   ► that you just got to put on research [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► just to get it just for me to not to be [TS]

01:24:04 ◼   ► freezing my boat I don't have heated [TS]

01:24:05 ◼   ► seats I think that would really help me [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► get around with it but that's that's [TS]

01:24:07 ◼   ► when I do it [TS]

01:24:08 ◼   ► Wow [TS]

01:24:12 ◼   ► I used to manually manage recirculation [TS]

01:24:16 ◼   ► I don't anymore because modern nice cars [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► not only do it for you and and their [TS]

01:24:23 ◼   ► defaults of when to use it versus when [TS]

01:24:25 ◼   ► not to seem pretty good but also like [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► the smoker issue I I too like one way to [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► really make me very angry is to make me [TS]

01:24:34 ◼   ► smell cigarette smoke for some reason [TS]

01:24:36 ◼   ► and but the good thing is about like and [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► I don't know if it's a Tesla and BMW [TS]

01:24:40 ◼   ► thing or whatever but like usually the [TS]

01:24:42 ◼   ► the intake air filters seem to be so [TS]

01:24:45 ◼   ► good on some of these cars now that I [TS]

01:24:48 ◼   ► don't usually smell outside smells if my [TS]

01:24:51 ◼   ► windows are up and my Sun roof is closed [TS]

01:24:52 ◼   ► now occasionally I will still smell [TS]

01:24:55 ◼   ► cigarette because my windows cracked or [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► something but that's coming in through [TS]

01:24:58 ◼   ► the window not the ventilation system so [TS]

01:25:00 ◼   ► I almost never have any reason to [TS]

01:25:02 ◼   ► manually adjust whether recirculation is [TS]

01:25:05 ◼   ► on or off I just let the system handle [TS]

01:25:07 ◼   ► it and it's fine [TS]

01:25:08 ◼   ► Peter Gosling writes in there seems to [TS]

01:25:11 ◼   ► be a lot of disappointment to slack Mac [TS]

01:25:12 ◼   ► client justifiably so why not stick with [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► IRC like the live show the native Mac [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► IRC clients are joy to use and aren't [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► half-baked like slack is so a little bit [TS]

01:25:20 ◼   ► of background slack is written using [TS]

01:25:23 ◼   ► electron which does not by necessity [TS]

01:25:25 ◼   ► means it's a pile of mean that it's a [TS]

01:25:26 ◼   ► pile of garbage but it turns out it is [TS]

01:25:28 ◼   ► in fact a pile of garbage but a little [TS]

01:25:31 ◼   ► known fact about slack which I probably [TS]

01:25:33 ◼   ► will not remember to put in the show [TS]

01:25:34 ◼   ► notes and say you can actually access [TS]

01:25:35 ◼   ► slack I chat rooms teams whatever the [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► terminology is via IRC there's an IRC [TS]

01:25:42 ◼   ► front-end to slack so you could use any [TS]

01:25:44 ◼   ► IRC client in connect to slack and [TS]

01:25:48 ◼   ► that's what Peters talking about where [TS]

01:25:50 ◼   ► this falls down is a couple of things [TS]

01:25:52 ◼   ► one Peter said the native Matt mac IRC [TS]

01:25:54 ◼   ► clients are joy to use and I must not be [TS]

01:25:57 ◼   ► using the ones that he's using I use [TS]

01:25:58 ◼   ► colloquy which is okay whatever Peters [TS]

01:26:03 ◼   ► using must be much better than that yeah [TS]

01:26:05 ◼   ► I got agree on that by the way like I IV [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► I used colloquy I've also used textual [TS]

01:26:09 ◼   ► and there's one more if use ones before [TS]

01:26:12 ◼   ► I forget what it is and I can only [TS]

01:26:14 ◼   ► describe any of them as okay yeah but [TS]

01:26:17 ◼   ► anyway so you can use IRC to get to [TS]

01:26:18 ◼   ► slack and the reason that I don't do [TS]

01:26:22 ◼   ► this well there's a couple of reasons [TS]

01:26:23 ◼   ► but mostly the reason the the biggest [TS]

01:26:26 ◼   ► reason I don't do this is because one of [TS]

01:26:27 ◼   ► the better things about slack and one of [TS]

01:26:29 ◼   ► the reasons why I do understand [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► and if I don't love the fact that they [TS]

01:26:32 ◼   ► use electron is that so much of their so [TS]

01:26:35 ◼   ► much of the things you put into a slack [TS]

01:26:37 ◼   ► chat will like Auto expands so think [TS]

01:26:40 ◼   ► about what's going on with iMessage when [TS]

01:26:41 ◼   ► you put a tweet in or a link to a [TS]

01:26:44 ◼   ► website it will try to grab like a hero [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► image or if there's a tweet with an [TS]

01:26:48 ◼   ► image it will grab the image and it will [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► put it right in line in that iMessage [TS]

01:26:52 ◼   ► conversation will slack does the same [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► thing but it does it for all sorts of [TS]

01:26:55 ◼   ► different data and it's really really [TS]

01:26:57 ◼   ► nice I mean that genuinely and that I [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► think I would really miss if I didn't [TS]

01:27:02 ◼   ► have that and so like another example of [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► that is say if somebody pastes in an [TS]

01:27:06 ◼   ► animated gif or a URL to an animated gif [TS]

01:27:09 ◼   ► I would want to see that inline like [TS]

01:27:11 ◼   ► part of what makes slack fun is that [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► kind of shucking and jiving back and [TS]

01:27:15 ◼   ► forth with gifts and things like that [TS]

01:27:17 ◼   ► and I think I would miss out on that if [TS]

01:27:19 ◼   ► it was just in a traditional IRC client [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► but it is a fair point [TS]

01:27:23 ◼   ► and maybe I should try it just to see [TS]

01:27:25 ◼   ► but I don't know that's that's my two [TS]

01:27:27 ◼   ► cents do you guys have anything to add [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► about that so I think in this contest [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► between various applications let you [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► type words to other people even if their [TS]

01:27:38 ◼   ► various friends to slack in the case of [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► the IRC gateway to slack or whatever [TS]

01:27:41 ◼   ► I think the slack application on the Mac [TS]

01:27:44 ◼   ► won fair and square based on its [TS]

01:27:47 ◼   ► features and ease of use that's what it [TS]

01:27:49 ◼   ► comes down to like yes IRC is existed [TS]

01:27:51 ◼   ► forever and yes lots of IRC clients are [TS]

01:27:53 ◼   ► good but slack offered a combination of [TS]

01:27:57 ◼   ► functionality and application that gives [TS]

01:28:00 ◼   ► you a front-end for that functionality [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► that is simply more attractive to most [TS]

01:28:04 ◼   ► people than all of the alternatives like [TS]

01:28:06 ◼   ► it's not like slack one accidentally or [TS]

01:28:08 ◼   ► because it was bundled as part of some [TS]

01:28:09 ◼   ► monopolistic thing and you couldn't help [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► but have slack forced down our throat [TS]

01:28:13 ◼   ► slack has lots of warts but it has the [TS]

01:28:16 ◼   ► right balance of stuff it is a fun [TS]

01:28:18 ◼   ► interesting easy to use application that [TS]

01:28:22 ◼   ► provides I think more fun and more [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► features focused on exactly what it does [TS]

01:28:27 ◼   ► in an IRC client and enough speed and [TS]

01:28:30 ◼   ► functionality that we all you know grit [TS]

01:28:33 ◼   ► our teeth and deal with the electron [TS]

01:28:35 ◼   ► weirdness and everything like this [TS]

01:28:37 ◼   ► because on balance it is better than all [TS]

01:28:39 ◼   ► those things otherwise we would still [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► all be using those things I was in tons [TS]

01:28:42 ◼   ► of IRC channels before slack claimed [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► and most of them have been replaced by [TS]

01:28:46 ◼   ► slack because that's what more people [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► want to use I can understand being in a [TS]

01:28:49 ◼   ► situation where it's like yeah but I [TS]

01:28:50 ◼   ► like the IRC you better sure but I think [TS]

01:28:53 ◼   ► most people did not like IRC better or [TS]

01:28:55 ◼   ► didn't like IRC at all which is why [TS]

01:28:57 ◼   ► slack is as successful as it is so I [TS]

01:28:59 ◼   ► think the reason we don't use it as [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► because lack is better in general one [TS]

01:29:05 ◼   ► Pablo Rodriguez writes in John I saw [TS]

01:29:08 ◼   ► your tweet about the halting problem I [TS]

01:29:09 ◼   ► would like to hear how you would explain [TS]

01:29:11 ◼   ► it so the context this was just a couple [TS]

01:29:14 ◼   ► of days ago and John jump in and cut me [TS]

01:29:16 ◼   ► off whenever you're ready quote why is [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► this program taking so long to run and [TS]

01:29:20 ◼   ► quote big milestone today my son's first [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► infinite loop then he asked why the [TS]

01:29:24 ◼   ► programming courseware website he's [TS]

01:29:25 ◼   ► using can't just tell him there's an [TS]

01:29:27 ◼   ► infinite loop instead of trying to run [TS]

01:29:28 ◼   ► the program as written I introduced him [TS]

01:29:30 ◼   ► to the halting problem but he wasn't [TS]

01:29:31 ◼   ► impressed so do you want to fill in any [TS]

01:29:33 ◼   ► other context or just jump into the what [TS]

01:29:36 ◼   ► is the halting problem so the context [TS]

01:29:38 ◼   ► here is that I tried to show my kids [TS]

01:29:41 ◼   ► both of my kids programming it very [TS]

01:29:44 ◼   ► early ages say if you're interested this [TS]

01:29:46 ◼   ► is the thing I can show you how to do [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► but of course me being a father they [TS]

01:29:48 ◼   ► don't want to have anything to do it and [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► I know how to do so fine or whatever so [TS]

01:29:51 ◼   ► I just laid off like they were into [TS]

01:29:53 ◼   ► whatever they're into but my son is in [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► eighth grade now and he's looking to [TS]

01:29:58 ◼   ► take he wants to take a computer science [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► course in ninth grade which is awesome [TS]

01:30:01 ◼   ► that it's even offered I didn't have any [TS]

01:30:02 ◼   ► computer science courses in my high [TS]

01:30:04 ◼   ► school yes they had computers but they [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► were Apple twos but anyway he's [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► interested in taking that maybe just [TS]

01:30:09 ◼   ► because his friends are interested it I [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► can't tell if he's really interested in [TS]

01:30:11 ◼   ► it but he's trying to get into an [TS]

01:30:15 ◼   ► advanced level computer science class [TS]

01:30:16 ◼   ► and he wants to have some experience so [TS]

01:30:19 ◼   ► he's going through this online course or [TS]

01:30:20 ◼   ► a thing with his friends right this is [TS]

01:30:21 ◼   ► all is all him right but I'm offering to [TS]

01:30:24 ◼   ► help him with it so that's why he's [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► doing any kind of programming stuff at [TS]

01:30:28 ◼   ► all and it's pretty late in the game and [TS]

01:30:30 ◼   ► the grand scheme of things he's got like [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► five year-olds who are writing iOS apps [TS]

01:30:32 ◼   ► and a lot of on stage at Apple things [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► and stuff like that and he's you know [TS]

01:30:35 ◼   ► he's not a precocious programmer but [TS]

01:30:37 ◼   ► he's getting into it and so I'm trying [TS]

01:30:40 ◼   ► to help them you know as laid-back way [TS]

01:30:42 ◼   ► as possible because you don't help too [TS]

01:30:44 ◼   ► much you know because like becomes [TS]

01:30:46 ◼   ► uncool if dad's into it whatever and he [TS]

01:30:48 ◼   ► did write an infinite loop and he did it [TS]

01:30:50 ◼   ► asked me like the course where it's like [TS]

01:30:51 ◼   ► running his program for it and like it [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► just was like a spinner on the web babe [TS]

01:30:54 ◼   ► and he's like why is it taking so long [TS]

01:30:55 ◼   ► he they write an infant [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► I feel like it really is a milestone [TS]

01:30:58 ◼   ► like the first time you do that and then [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► don't understand what the hell's going [TS]

01:31:01 ◼   ► on in your program specifically he was [TS]

01:31:03 ◼   ► he was iterating over an array and in [TS]

01:31:07 ◼   ► inside the loop he was adding I am to [TS]

01:31:08 ◼   ► the end of the array which is a pretty [TS]

01:31:10 ◼   ► fun way to do your first infinite loop [TS]

01:31:11 ◼   ► as opposed to just like forgetting to [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► check for termination condition he was [TS]

01:31:14 ◼   ► iterating over listed he kept growing at [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► the same pace he was iterating over it [TS]

01:31:17 ◼   ► so that was fun [TS]

01:31:18 ◼   ► apologies to the courseware website for [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► the for the infinite loop bomb my son [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► invoked on you as he opened up tab after [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► tab and tried to run the same program it [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► wasn't he didn't do a fork bomb but he's [TS]

01:31:30 ◼   ► not he's not up at that process level [TS]

01:31:31 ◼   ► yet so I did try to say actually there's [TS]

01:31:34 ◼   ► a general problem about this the halting [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► problem and to finally get to answer the [TS]

01:31:38 ◼   ► specific question how would you go about [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► explaining it part of the knowledge and [TS]

01:31:43 ◼   ► wisdom I'm trying to impart on him as [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► part of this is not the specifics of [TS]

01:31:46 ◼   ► whatever he's doing about programming [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► which I figure will come on his own but [TS]

01:31:50 ◼   ► how do you how do you how do programmers [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► do this how do you figure stuff out and [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► early on I want to show them if you have [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► a question about how something works the [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► magic of the Internet you know after me [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► saying you know up hill both ways how I [TS]

01:32:04 ◼   ► had to do it in my day so on and so [TS]

01:32:06 ◼   ► forth [TS]

01:32:06 ◼   ► you can just type your question into [TS]

01:32:08 ◼   ► Google and every like a Stack Overflow [TS]

01:32:09 ◼   ► answer like you know how to concatenate [TS]

01:32:11 ◼   ► strings you know in Python or whatever [TS]

01:32:13 ◼   ► like the answer is right there you don't [TS]

01:32:16 ◼   ► have to ask me you don't have to wonder [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► just type it into Google search box so [TS]

01:32:20 ◼   ► for the halting problem rather than me [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► trying to explain this is what the [TS]

01:32:24 ◼   ► halting problem is based on like my [TS]

01:32:25 ◼   ► memory of it from school you know or [TS]

01:32:27 ◼   ► just like even just in broad strokes [TS]

01:32:29 ◼   ► just go to the Wikipedia page for the [TS]

01:32:31 ◼   ► halting problem and there's like a [TS]

01:32:33 ◼   ► paragraph at the top it does a pretty [TS]

01:32:35 ◼   ► good job of explaining more or less what [TS]

01:32:36 ◼   ► the halting problem is in links to [TS]

01:32:37 ◼   ► examples and so on and so forth but the [TS]

01:32:39 ◼   ► idea is that you shouldn't ask your dad [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► or ask someone next to you to explain [TS]

01:32:43 ◼   ► what the halting problem is you are [TS]

01:32:44 ◼   ► empowered because you have the whole [TS]

01:32:46 ◼   ► internet at your fingertips to find out [TS]

01:32:48 ◼   ► the answer to this question quickly and [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► in a much more authoritative way than me [TS]

01:32:51 ◼   ► trying to you know recite it from memory [TS]

01:32:54 ◼   ► because if I was gonna recite it from [TS]

01:32:55 ◼   ► memory if I was gonna talk about the [TS]

01:32:56 ◼   ► halting problem on this show I almost [TS]

01:32:58 ◼   ► did it when I saw his question I was [TS]

01:32:59 ◼   ► like oh I should go to the Wikipedia [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► page and and paste the first bit but no [TS]

01:33:02 ◼   ► like the lesson is you this is one of [TS]

01:33:05 ◼   ► those things that you don't have to [TS]

01:33:06 ◼   ► memorize and even if you know it [TS]

01:33:08 ◼   ► backwards and forwards it's difficult [TS]

01:33:09 ◼   ► sometimes to explain something that you [TS]

01:33:11 ◼   ► no if you haven't like taught a course [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► into five or six times so use the [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► Internet [TS]

01:33:15 ◼   ► use the tools that are available to you [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► don't rely on other people to explain [TS]

01:33:18 ◼   ► things I haven't yet explained to him [TS]

01:33:20 ◼   ► about it Wikipedia being a tertiary [TS]

01:33:22 ◼   ► source a little crap but here we go one [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► step at a time [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► there's only so much dad that kids can [TS]

01:33:27 ◼   ► take in one dose all right thanks to our [TS]

01:33:30 ◼   ► sponsors this week [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► and we'll see you next week now the show [TS]

01:33:38 ◼   ► is over to be y el asesor that's Casey [TS]

01:34:13 ◼   ► less and a are Co AR m and T Marco [TS]

01:34:18 ◼   ► Arment [TS]

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01:34:38 ◼   ► all right so last week we what was the [TS]

01:34:41 ◼   ► the Genesis the question I should have [TS]

01:34:43 ◼   ► left in the show notes but we were [TS]

01:34:44 ◼   ► talking about like cars and things and [TS]

01:34:47 ◼   ► rolling double zero in the chat [TS]

01:34:49 ◼   ► suggested something that hopefully you [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► guys have at least put two minutes of [TS]

01:34:54 ◼   ► thought into which I know Marko hasn't [TS]

01:34:56 ◼   ► and John maybe has oh no I put exactly [TS]

01:34:58 ◼   ► two minutes of thought into it alright [TS]

01:35:00 ◼   ► well that works for me what car would [TS]

01:35:02 ◼   ► you pick for your other hosts now I [TS]

01:35:04 ◼   ► didn't ask [TS]

01:35:06 ◼   ► rollin 0-0 nor did I clarify what do you [TS]

01:35:10 ◼   ► mean by that is it the car you think [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► they would enjoy the most is it the car [TS]

01:35:15 ◼   ► you would most like to see them in is it [TS]

01:35:17 ◼   ► the car that you would get to just troll [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► them and I didn't want to give you guys [TS]

01:35:23 ◼   ► any sort of direction about any of this [TS]

01:35:26 ◼   ► so I have answered the question in my [TS]

01:35:30 ◼   ► own way but I don't have to go first [TS]

01:35:33 ◼   ► this time since I was very aggressively [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► first during ask ATP so which one of you [TS]

01:35:37 ◼   ► would like to volunteer to tell each of [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► us what cars we should be driving I'll [TS]

01:35:43 ◼   ► do it if you want all right Marko feel [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► free all right this is fairly easy for [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► Casey you would have the new m3 period [TS]

01:35:51 ◼   ► well what's that your criteria is what [TS]

01:35:54 ◼   ► car would I most like to drive I guess [TS]

01:35:57 ◼   ► yeah my criteria basically I mean if [TS]

01:35:59 ◼   ► we're assuming that like you know I [TS]

01:36:00 ◼   ► don't have to worry about how much these [TS]

01:36:01 ◼   ► cars cost they're just being paid for [TS]

01:36:04 ◼   ► somehow and that I guess get to decide [TS]

01:36:06 ◼   ► which car you have then my rationale [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► here is which car would you be most [TS]

01:36:12 ◼   ► happy with you know what is the car that [TS]

01:36:15 ◼   ► you should have and so I think it's the [TS]

01:36:18 ◼   ► m3 done and John a little bit harder I I [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► was kind of thinking maybe the m5 or if [TS]

01:36:28 ◼   ► he doesn't want to go necessary that [TS]

01:36:29 ◼   ► large because I know I know like your [TS]

01:36:31 ◼   ► parking situations a little bit tight [TS]

01:36:32 ◼   ► over there so I figured maybe you might [TS]

01:36:36 ◼   ► also go with something in the 3-series [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► range maybe your dad's old 3-series that [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► you like but like a faster one [TS]

01:36:44 ◼   ► like like it maybe like the 335 of that [TS]

01:36:46 ◼   ► generation maybe something like that but [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► probably just I think John I think my [TS]

01:36:51 ◼   ► answer is actually gonna be just the new [TS]

01:36:53 ◼   ► m5 so new m3 4kc new m5 for John why for [TS]

01:36:57 ◼   ► me I understand your reasoning for KC [TS]

01:36:58 ◼   ► what's your reasoning for me like why [TS]

01:37:00 ◼   ► are you even picking from BMWs for me [TS]

01:37:01 ◼   ► well I know you wouldn't actually enjoy [TS]

01:37:03 ◼   ► owning a Ferrari I know that you like [TS]

01:37:07 ◼   ► Mercedes but I'm too young to know how [TS]

01:37:10 ◼   ► to select one I went with the brand that [TS]

01:37:15 ◼   ► I know how to use and how to pick from [TS]

01:37:17 ◼   ► that gives you what you want which is [TS]

01:37:20 ◼   ► similar to eylem which is a nice big [TS]

01:37:21 ◼   ► faster damn like you like those and I [TS]

01:37:24 ◼   ► know you're not gonna get see here's the [TS]

01:37:27 ◼   ► problem though I know you like stick a [TS]

01:37:28 ◼   ► lot and that can't you can't have that [TS]

01:37:30 ◼   ► in stick so maybe I try to find you an [TS]

01:37:33 ◼   ► f10 generation in a stick which they [TS]

01:37:36 ◼   ► probably made like three of those total [TS]

01:37:38 ◼   ► but maybe that's the right answer [TS]

01:37:41 ◼   ► people didn't like those those stick [TS]

01:37:42 ◼   ► shifts they said that the manual was not [TS]

01:37:45 ◼   ► very good in that car [TS]

01:37:46 ◼   ► yeah see this it's it's picking for you [TS]

01:37:48 ◼   ► is very challenging picking for case is [TS]

01:37:51 ◼   ► easy because I know what he wants it so [TS]

01:37:52 ◼   ► it's easy picking for you is is harder [TS]

01:37:55 ◼   ► but you know I don't think Mercedes [TS]

01:37:56 ◼   ► makes any sticks either that you would [TS]

01:37:58 ◼   ► want but I don't know no yeah I don't [TS]

01:38:01 ◼   ► know that but I think so I'm gonna stand [TS]

01:38:03 ◼   ► by my answer of the new m5 but with some [TS]

01:38:05 ◼   ► reservations I was proud of KC for [TS]

01:38:08 ◼   ► recognizing what a terrible question [TS]

01:38:09 ◼   ► this is saying but I don't care and I'm [TS]

01:38:14 ◼   ► not gonna clarify so let's just all [TS]

01:38:15 ◼   ► interpret the question or however that [TS]

01:38:17 ◼   ► we want this question is terrible [TS]

01:38:19 ◼   ► because it just has no parameters [TS]

01:38:20 ◼   ► whatsoever oh just to have a little fun [TS]

01:38:24 ◼   ► it's not useful anyway so if I had to [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► pick first I'd have to pick the how to [TS]

01:38:30 ◼   ► interpret this question but I'd say how [TS]

01:38:33 ◼   ► did you interpret the question I'm [TS]

01:38:35 ◼   ► mostly interpreting as a car I think [TS]

01:38:39 ◼   ► that you would enjoy that you wouldn't [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► buy for yourself it's like the [TS]

01:38:42 ◼   ► gift-giving type thing [TS]

01:38:43 ◼   ► sure okay I like that interpret um for [TS]

01:38:47 ◼   ► Casey I think I would go with a caiman [TS]

01:38:50 ◼   ► slash Boxster whichever one comes with [TS]

01:38:52 ◼   ► the sunroof or and or convertible 718 [TS]

01:38:54 ◼   ► whatever the hell it's called now or I [TS]

01:38:56 ◼   ► would actually maybe go with it with the [TS]

01:38:59 ◼   ► previous generation that's what [TS]

01:39:00 ◼   ► naturally aspirated because I think you [TS]

01:39:02 ◼   ► would really enjoy a stick-shift caiman [TS]

01:39:04 ◼   ► because you get that open-air driving [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► experience I think it would be a more [TS]

01:39:07 ◼   ► fun dynamic driving experience than all [TS]

01:39:09 ◼   ► of your like regular car cars and it's [TS]

01:39:11 ◼   ► just an all-around great car like not [TS]

01:39:13 ◼   ► super - super fast not too super loud [TS]

01:39:16 ◼   ► not as small and wimpy as a Miata which [TS]

01:39:20 ◼   ► I think you would also enjoy by the way [TS]

01:39:22 ◼   ► I thought I would [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► it's like it's like the big boy Miata so [TS]

01:39:25 ◼   ► I would I would go with a caiman [TS]

01:39:27 ◼   ► I like that choice I drove I probably [TS]

01:39:30 ◼   ► told the story maybe on neutral I drove [TS]

01:39:32 ◼   ► a Boxster S early on in the life time of [TS]

01:39:36 ◼   ► the Boxster's this was circa 2005 maybe [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► 2006 and I think the Box had only been [TS]

01:39:44 ◼   ► out for a couple of years at that point [TS]

01:39:45 ◼   ► I might have these dates wrong but you [TS]

01:39:46 ◼   ► get the idea [TS]

01:39:47 ◼   ► and I got in that car expecting to hate [TS]

01:39:50 ◼   ► it oh it's a you know poor man's 911 [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► it's just garbage this is gonna be crap [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► and I loved it I couldn't believe how [TS]

01:40:00 ◼   ► much I loved it and that was you know [TS]

01:40:02 ◼   ► ten plus years ago so I can only imagine [TS]

01:40:04 ◼   ► I came in or you know whatever the new [TS]

01:40:06 ◼   ► Boxster came in like the epic a - the [TS]

01:40:09 ◼   ► the natural have spread one right before [TS]

01:40:10 ◼   ► they change to 718 it's just an amazing [TS]

01:40:12 ◼   ► all-around balance it's fun a not too [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► ridiculous car and you wouldn't buy it [TS]

01:40:16 ◼   ► for yourself because you're like oh I [TS]

01:40:17 ◼   ► gotta have a car that can put car seat [TS]

01:40:19 ◼   ► in it oh yeah but I feel like with the [TS]

01:40:21 ◼   ► giant shoebox thing that you've got [TS]

01:40:23 ◼   ► going on for the whole family it would [TS]

01:40:27 ◼   ► be a nice compromise of like a small [TS]

01:40:29 ◼   ► small ish fun interesting fast enough to [TS]

01:40:33 ◼   ► be cool open air kind of car nice and [TS]

01:40:36 ◼   ► for Marco from Marco a little bit torn [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► on this my my go-to would say and [TS]

01:40:41 ◼   ► especially if I'm not allowed to pick [TS]

01:40:43 ◼   ► from like future models because a lot of [TS]

01:40:44 ◼   ► people coming out with cars that I think [TS]

01:40:45 ◼   ► you would enjoy more than most of my [TS]

01:40:46 ◼   ► picks because like everyone else all the [TS]

01:40:48 ◼   ► other tests the competitors are coming [TS]

01:40:49 ◼   ► but they're not here yet so I can't pick [TS]

01:40:51 ◼   ► them agree mom [TS]

01:40:52 ◼   ► so I would go I would probably shop on [TS]

01:40:56 ◼   ► the Mercedes range because I truly [TS]

01:40:57 ◼   ► continuous ADEs perhaps more than he [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► enjoyed his m5 and so I probably go kind [TS]

01:41:06 ◼   ► of like what I was I'd pick up myself in [TS]

01:41:07 ◼   ► that preview show like it like an AMG [TS]

01:41:09 ◼   ► II class if I could find the right [TS]

01:41:11 ◼   ► balance of options and features to [TS]

01:41:13 ◼   ► satisfy and if not believe it or not I [TS]

01:41:15 ◼   ► would probably look at howdy there's [TS]

01:41:17 ◼   ► another brand that Marco seems to have [TS]

01:41:18 ◼   ► not wanted to really consider for [TS]

01:41:21 ◼   ► himself but I think there are models in [TS]

01:41:22 ◼   ► that range that he would really enjoy so [TS]

01:41:24 ◼   ► those would be my picks a mid-sized [TS]

01:41:26 ◼   ► Mercedes and if I can't find the right [TS]

01:41:27 ◼   ► set of options in car in model year I [TS]

01:41:29 ◼   ► would go Abby I think those are good [TS]

01:41:31 ◼   ► choices Marco thoughts it's reasonable [TS]

01:41:34 ◼   ► yeah I mean I haven't driven a Mercedes [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► or an Audi in a long time [TS]

01:41:39 ◼   ► when I have driven those cars I have [TS]

01:41:42 ◼   ► been incredibly unimpressed with their [TS]

01:41:45 ◼   ► media and navigation systems but you [TS]

01:41:48 ◼   ► know I would give it a shot and the [TS]

01:41:50 ◼   ► thing is wouldn't buy for yourself [TS]

01:41:52 ◼   ► because you're all electric so basically [TS]

01:41:53 ◼   ► all gas cars are now cars that Marco [TS]

01:41:55 ◼   ► wouldn't buy for himself there yeah and [TS]

01:41:58 ◼   ► and he had the 1m right so I feel like [TS]

01:42:01 ◼   ► if that was a thing that he still wanted [TS]

01:42:03 ◼   ► he would have gone back to I well but he [TS]

01:42:05 ◼   ► hasn't so that's why I'm picking like [TS]

01:42:07 ◼   ► regular normal size [TS]

01:42:08 ◼   ► you know mid-sized cars I think those [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► are good choices alright so I [TS]

01:42:12 ◼   ► interpreted this as what do I think [TS]

01:42:15 ◼   ► would be the best fit for my co-host and [TS]

01:42:19 ◼   ► they may or may not buy this but my my [TS]

01:42:21 ◼   ► rule was I couldn't just say like oh [TS]

01:42:24 ◼   ► well Marco just wants another Tesla so I [TS]

01:42:26 ◼   ► actually thought it was a little easier [TS]

01:42:29 ◼   ► to pick for John because the options I [TS]

01:42:32 ◼   ► came up with were a new mazda6 which I [TS]

01:42:35 ◼   ► think he would quite like and is [TS]

01:42:39 ◼   ► basically what you already have just a [TS]

01:42:41 ◼   ► different manufacturer and and I've [TS]

01:42:43 ◼   ► always thought the mazda6 is with there [TS]

01:42:45 ◼   ► was one really crummy generation which [TS]

01:42:47 ◼   ► is the generation after Aaron so this [TS]

01:42:49 ◼   ► was like late 2000s early early 2010's [TS]

01:42:52 ◼   ► which was not attractive at all but [TS]

01:42:54 ◼   ► every other monster six has always been [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► pretty attractive in my eyes and we [TS]

01:42:58 ◼   ► loved Aaron's Mazda 6 who treated us so [TS]

01:43:00 ◼   ► really really well and I think John you [TS]

01:43:01 ◼   ► would like that but the other thing I [TS]

01:43:03 ◼   ► was thinking about even though [TS]

01:43:07 ◼   ► III really think hatchbacks are dumb [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► sorry Europeans I think would love a GTI [TS]

01:43:12 ◼   ► I really think you would love a GTI John [TS]

01:43:15 ◼   ► I think that's definitely a car I would [TS]

01:43:18 ◼   ► not buy for myself [TS]

01:43:22 ◼   ► but do you like leaving aside the fact [TS]

01:43:24 ◼   ► that hatchbacks are stupid do you think [TS]

01:43:28 ◼   ► it with a stick I think the main thing [TS]

01:43:31 ◼   ► the main thing I would enjoy about a GTI [TS]

01:43:33 ◼   ► is the small ish size both in length and [TS]

01:43:37 ◼   ► width but they're not as small as they [TS]

01:43:40 ◼   ► used to be and they're definitely not as [TS]

01:43:41 ◼   ► light as they used to be so I'm not sure [TS]

01:43:43 ◼   ► I would get that much enjoyment out of [TS]

01:43:45 ◼   ► it fair enough [TS]

01:43:46 ◼   ► well those were my picks for for John [TS]

01:43:48 ◼   ► and obviously the you know the the clear [TS]

01:43:49 ◼   ► answer was the Ferrari which is like [TS]

01:43:51 ◼   ► Marco said like that would be that would [TS]

01:43:53 ◼   ► actually probably make John more unhappy [TS]

01:43:55 ◼   ► than happy exactly if you again this is [TS]

01:43:57 ◼   ► the question is so vague you could say a [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► Ferrari and and a mansion with the [TS]

01:44:02 ◼   ► heated garage to start in and say fair [TS]

01:44:06 ◼   ► enough [TS]

01:44:07 ◼   ► Marco I actually found harder because I [TS]

01:44:09 ◼   ► really do think that the Tesla in in in [TS]

01:44:11 ◼   ► the current iteration of Marco and Marco [TS]

01:44:13 ◼   ► version 2017 or 2018 I think this is the [TS]

01:44:16 ◼   ► the Model S is probably the perfect car [TS]

01:44:18 ◼   ► for you Marco however if I couldn't [TS]

01:44:20 ◼   ► choose that what would I choose and the [TS]

01:44:22 ◼   ► obvious answer is a brand new m5 I think [TS]

01:44:25 ◼   ► you would quite like that it gives you [TS]

01:44:26 ◼   ► the all-wheel drive that you didn't have [TS]

01:44:28 ◼   ► last for the last iteration it's just as [TS]

01:44:31 ◼   ► quick as your Tesla or Daenerys makes no [TS]

01:44:33 ◼   ► difference if not quicker but then I [TS]

01:44:36 ◼   ► thought okay what are some more [TS]

01:44:37 ◼   ► interesting choices and I thought to [TS]

01:44:40 ◼   ► myself well what about a Prius Prime [TS]

01:44:42 ◼   ► which is somewhat insulting and I don't [TS]

01:44:45 ◼   ► mean it to be but my parents have a [TS]

01:44:48 ◼   ► Prius Prime which I plug-in Prius and it [TS]

01:44:51 ◼   ► is for what it is thinking like what [TS]

01:45:04 ◼   ► would you if you're so bent on electric [TS]

01:45:06 ◼   ► then then what would I mean I guess the [TS]

01:45:09 ◼   ► Chevy Volt maybe but that seems like [TS]

01:45:13 ◼   ► you're gonna get a much worse electric [TS]

01:45:16 ◼   ► slash hybrid car than what he [TS]

01:45:18 ◼   ► now that's a bad idea and the Prius [TS]

01:45:20 ◼   ► Prime is that perhaps the ugliest car on [TS]

01:45:22 ◼   ► the road today [TS]

01:45:23 ◼   ► none of the Aztec is that function [TS]

01:45:29 ◼   ► wasn't designed to be a punishment it [TS]

01:45:31 ◼   ► was taking your insistence on having an [TS]

01:45:34 ◼   ► electric car in mind but I don't think [TS]

01:45:37 ◼   ► that's a terribly good answer either I [TS]

01:45:38 ◼   ► was just throwing it out there very [TS]

01:45:39 ◼   ► active conversation and then I thought [TS]

01:45:42 ◼   ► to myself well let me think about Marco [TS]

01:45:44 ◼   ► less as a driver but more is just like [TS]

01:45:48 ◼   ► let me think about Marcos personality [TS]

01:45:50 ◼   ► and disposition Marcos tends to obsess [TS]

01:45:53 ◼   ► over things and I have this quality in [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► me as well so I can recognize it in [TS]

01:45:56 ◼   ► others you know tends to obsess over [TS]

01:45:58 ◼   ► things and get just like really really [TS]

01:46:00 ◼   ► deep into something and just I'm gonna [TS]

01:46:03 ◼   ► explore it to the to the most extreme [TS]

01:46:05 ◼   ► depths and I will explore every avenue [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► of it I will know something front to [TS]

01:46:10 ◼   ► back in and out left and right what kind [TS]

01:46:13 ◼   ► of car would Marco be able to do that [TS]

01:46:17 ◼   ► sort of thing with you would need a car [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► that's like I don't know like an erector [TS]

01:46:22 ◼   ► set or like a like a like a Lego set [TS]

01:46:25 ◼   ► what color I know [TS]

01:46:28 ◼   ► Marco should have a Wrangler because you [TS]

01:46:31 ◼   ► could have 17 different tops you can [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► have 17 different doors you can have a [TS]

01:46:36 ◼   ► six-speed if you want it and you could [TS]

01:46:38 ◼   ► go rock crawling in in the little hills [TS]

01:46:41 ◼   ► and mountains of New York and you could [TS]

01:46:42 ◼   ► go driving off-road up you know up in [TS]

01:46:45 ◼   ► tips parents house you could do all [TS]

01:46:47 ◼   ► those things you could have different [TS]

01:46:48 ◼   ► winches it's imagine the fun you would [TS]

01:46:50 ◼   ► have Marco figuring out the exact right [TS]

01:46:52 ◼   ► winch you should put on the front of [TS]

01:46:54 ◼   ► that car and getting the is [TS]

01:46:55 ◼   ► extraordinarily expensive winch that [TS]

01:46:58 ◼   ► weighs just 5 pounds left less than the [TS]

01:47:00 ◼   ► one that's half the cost but you know [TS]

01:47:02 ◼   ► you're saving that weight and you know [TS]

01:47:04 ◼   ► it's better off that way imagine [TS]

01:47:05 ◼   ► deciding exactly how big a gas can you [TS]

01:47:08 ◼   ► want to put on the rear bumper for when [TS]

01:47:10 ◼   ► you're going off-road do you want five [TS]

01:47:11 ◼   ► five gallons oh no no I think I want six [TS]

01:47:14 ◼   ► this is like your perfect car it is [TS]

01:47:17 ◼   ► nothing but useless decisions that you [TS]

01:47:19 ◼   ► can throw oodles of money at this car is [TS]

01:47:22 ◼   ► made for you you're gonna get a Porsche [TS]

01:47:24 ◼   ► with Doodles of money and useless [TS]

01:47:27 ◼   ► the Wrangler is like didn't you hear the [TS]

01:47:31 ◼   ► discussion of head burns you can get [TS]

01:47:35 ◼   ► with a hardtop but I know you're not [TS]

01:47:37 ◼   ► going to agree with this but I stand by [TS]

01:47:39 ◼   ► this decision it this is what I get for [TS]

01:47:41 ◼   ► all the mac pro talk I get it I totally [TS]

01:47:44 ◼   ► well done sir [TS]

01:47:46 ◼   ► I have speechless I you have done it I [TS]

01:47:50 ◼   ► commend you excellent job I know you [TS]

01:47:57 ◼   ► don't have any interest in a Wrangler [TS]

01:47:58 ◼   ► like I get that but if you just put [TS]

01:48:00 ◼   ► aside the fact you have no interest in [TS]

01:48:01 ◼   ► the thing I want you to have interested [TS]

01:48:03 ◼   ► like there's so many ways you can [TS]

01:48:05 ◼   ► customize this you could have a soft top [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► you could have a soft top that makes it [TS]

01:48:09 ◼   ► look kind of like a pickup you could [TS]

01:48:11 ◼   ► have a hardtop you could have a hardtop [TS]

01:48:12 ◼   ► with a little convertible section you [TS]

01:48:14 ◼   ► could have a winch [TS]

01:48:15 ◼   ► you could have onboard air inflation [TS]

01:48:18 ◼   ► system you can have different spare tire [TS]

01:48:21 ◼   ► set up you'll mean all the different [TS]

01:48:23 ◼   ► things you could do to this car oh my [TS]

01:48:25 ◼   ► word I think it's perfect for you but [TS]

01:48:27 ◼   ► anyway the actual answer I have is [TS]

01:48:29 ◼   ► either an m5 or Hardy 63 AMG oh my god [TS]

01:48:32 ◼   ► like is it possible to make a custom [TS]

01:48:36 ◼   ► configuration of the Jeep Wrangler that [TS]

01:48:39 ◼   ► I would tolerate and I'm pretty sure the [TS]

01:48:41 ◼   ► answer is no I don't I don't think you [TS]

01:48:44 ◼   ► do it I challenge you to try I don't [TS]

01:48:46 ◼   ► think it's possible I think the problem [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► is what I really want is like a Wrangler [TS]

01:48:51 ◼   ► equivalent that's a sedan that's like a [TS]

01:48:54 ◼   ► go-fast again you know something where [TS]

01:48:55 ◼   ► you could mess with the tops and you [TS]

01:48:57 ◼   ► could have I mean you could put [TS]

01:48:58 ◼   ► different wheels on any car but like I [TS]

01:49:00 ◼   ► really stand by that you would just get [TS]

01:49:03 ◼   ► wrapped around the axle but I'm wrapped [TS]

01:49:06 ◼   ► around the axle with all these different [TS]

01:49:08 ◼   ► decisions you can make in all the [TS]

01:49:09 ◼   ► different tweaks you can make like this [TS]

01:49:10 ◼   ► is why I think and I feel I get I would [TS]

01:49:13 ◼   ► guess that you and I would enjoy camping [TS]

01:49:15 ◼   ► an equivalent amount and the difference [TS]

01:49:16 ◼   ► is you've actually gone camping and I [TS]

01:49:18 ◼   ► have not but that's a similar thing [TS]

01:49:20 ◼   ► where I could see really either of us [TS]

01:49:22 ◼   ► all these things I'm really just [TS]

01:49:23 ◼   ► projecting onto you well I could see [TS]

01:49:25 ◼   ► either of us obsessing over well the the [TS]

01:49:28 ◼   ► aluminum spoon in fork and knife set [TS]

01:49:30 ◼   ► ways one else but the titanium spoon [TS]

01:49:33 ◼   ► fork and knife set weighs a half an [TS]

01:49:35 ◼   ► ounce and even though it's literally ten [TS]

01:49:37 ◼   ► times the cost that half an ounce in [TS]

01:49:39 ◼   ► aggregate and aggregate adds up like [TS]

01:49:41 ◼   ► it's the same sort of thing right like I [TS]

01:49:43 ◼   ► could see you going or me going [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► ridiculous about camping equipment in [TS]

01:49:46 ◼   ► the same way I could see you or me going [TS]

01:49:48 ◼   ► ridiculous with your Tinkertoys Wrangler [TS]

01:49:51 ◼   ► so you forgot to expand our silly [TS]

01:49:54 ◼   ► unconfined question to say okay Marco [TS]

01:49:57 ◼   ► all of a sudden you live in the middle [TS]

01:49:59 ◼   ► of nowhere there are no paved roads to [TS]

01:50:01 ◼   ► your house and you have like hundreds of [TS]

01:50:05 ◼   ► acres that you have to patrol to hunt [TS]

01:50:07 ◼   ► for your own food then all of a sudden [TS]

01:50:08 ◼   ► mark was interested in a jeep wrangler [TS]

01:50:10 ◼   ► because he has a reason you know a [TS]

01:50:14 ◼   ► pretty good off-road easy to get into [TS]

01:50:17 ◼   ► and out of four-wheel drive vehicle to [TS]

01:50:20 ◼   ► wander around his property with and so [TS]

01:50:22 ◼   ► we can you know get out when he needs to [TS]

01:50:24 ◼   ► get to the hospital fifty miles away you [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► can construct a scenario which Marco [TS]

01:50:29 ◼   ► would want a Jeep Wrangler but the [TS]

01:50:31 ◼   ► scenario where he lives now is not it no [TS]

01:50:33 ◼   ► not even close do you know you're not [TS]

01:50:36 ◼   ► you're not picking up what I'm putting [TS]

01:50:37 ◼   ► down on this one are you surprised by [TS]

01:50:40 ◼   ► that no I'm not can we at least concede [TS]

01:50:44 ◼   ► though can you at least concede that you [TS]

01:50:46 ◼   ► can see that the tweak enos of it that [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► you can just just dial it in just right [TS]

01:50:50 ◼   ► like don't know [TS]

01:50:51 ◼   ► I concede nothing come on I completely [TS]

01:50:54 ◼   ► disagree because it's tweaking a bunch [TS]

01:50:57 ◼   ► of things that I don't care about it's [TS]

01:50:59 ◼   ► like no matter what you tweak about that [TS]

01:51:02 ◼   ► build I still don't want it and never [TS]

01:51:04 ◼   ► will like you can like it's like asking [TS]

01:51:08 ◼   ► me like how do I want to set the EQ for [TS]

01:51:10 ◼   ► my day of Matthews Band I can take a lot [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► of things look I can I love it I could [TS]

01:51:16 ◼   ► take a lot of the EQ that's how you [TS]

01:51:18 ◼   ► every band - 90 decibels that's how I [TS]

01:51:23 ◼   ► would set it I was proud of my response [TS]

01:51:26 ◼   ► dammit then I stand by it [TS]

01:51:27 ◼   ► but that's okay stick with the m5 that [TS]

01:51:30 ◼   ► was a good response [TS]

01:51:30 ◼   ► was a good response [TS]

00:00:00 ◼   ► I kind of feel like I should have just [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► left TIFF here and left the show because [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► we had so much awesome feedback about [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► how not only how great she was but how [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► much better she was than me but [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► unfortunately you guys are stuck with me [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► this week all right let's start with [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► some follow-up and Bradley Davis writes [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► in with regard to hard to hit up/down [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► arrow keys on the new MacBook Pros the [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► bottom hero of the new MacBooks is [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► shorter than the previous generation the [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► bottom really used to be taller than all [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► the other rows now it's the same height [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► huge loss in my opinion especially as a [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► programmer who uses modifier keys more [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► than your average person I didn't even [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► believe this so I measured it at work [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► and he is totally right did you guys [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► both realize that in the right up until [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the 2016-2017 on the MacBook Pros the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► like the spacebar and that whole row was [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► taller than all the other rows of keys [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► nope I know I'm curious hold on I [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► thought it's plausible but it can't be [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► that much bigger so I measured it it's [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► it's appreciably bigger you can you know [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► I didn't have I was using the side of a [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► credit card or whatever but you can you [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► know get a ruler and see how much bigger [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► it's but it's at least like 5% bigger I [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► don't know if I believe let me get out [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► my behemoth of Oracle so while you guys [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► get out things to measure the reason [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► this is relevant is not so much that [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► it's hard or actually but are we getting [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► out to measure I'm getting at a digital [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► caliper what are you getting at to [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► measure nevermind [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► wow this look a little bit taller it is [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► so they're saying the reason it makes a [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► difference is not because it's easier to [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► hit the spacebar or the command key or [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► anything but because the arrow keys oh [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► yeah it's a huge difference the up and [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► down our keys are jammed into a single [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► key space and I was complaining it I [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► felt that was a little bit harder to hit [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► the up figure out the up and down arrow [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► keys and the new MacBook Pros even [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► though it's like the same layout it is [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► the same layout but the with taller keys [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► each half the top half and the bottom [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► half are bigger so it makes a difference [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► particularly for the arrow keys yeah so [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► the height of the command key my 2015 is [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► 17 point 8 millimeters and then the [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► height of the keys and the row above it [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► are only 15 point 2 that's surprising by [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► the way only tangentially related if you [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► ever have a longing for the 17-inch [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► MacBook Pro which I always thought was [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► just hilariously stupid but I know that [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► there are people that love it I do not [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► need to hear from you I'm just saying [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► it's not for me anyway if you ever want [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► to make your 15-inch feel like a 17 inch [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you know the days of the past spend a [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► couple of months using exclusively [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► either a 27-inch iMac or a more [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► importantly a 12-inch MacBook adorable [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► and then bust out your work 15-inch [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► MacBook for the first time in two months [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► holy monkey that thing is enormous it is [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► just gigantic compared to the little [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► MacBook adorable that I'm used to [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► well I'll tell you what I mean like like [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► even you know during during my great [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► laptop shuffle of 2016-2017 when I for a [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► while there owned the 13-inch MacBook [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► escape that that to me is a it's such a [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► great size and I and I do intend to go [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► back to that probably in the next [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► generation whatever comes out but when I [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► was using that even after years of using [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► 15 inches a lot of the time I would [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► occasionally see a 15-inch out in the [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► world and it would it would look crazy [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► to me even the brand-new like the the [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► current generation ones that are better [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► you know a little more compact in the [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► old ones once you're used to whatever [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► size you're used to anything above it [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► looks like a monster good but you know [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► by comparison yeah it it's started [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► striking the difference but that's okay [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► but today I did a half day at work from [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► for the first time since January ah half [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► congratulations yeah I was speaking of [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► work in giant laptops I you I had my [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► 15-inch 2017 MacBook Pro at about 85% [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► charge and I did a one-hour meeting [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► where I projected during the meeting [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► dream my whole battery the machine [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► shutdown Wow [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I watched it go down the whole medium [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► its WebEx the magic of WebEx like a [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► single one-hour meeting from 85 percent [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► to basically you can no longer wear in [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► your computer sorry off yeah because [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► that's you say WebEx is I don't I've [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► never used WebEx but I I assume it's [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► pretty inefficient on the CPU right we [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► need to have a special episode where we [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► just make Marco use all software and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► then I would imagine too that you but [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► that you were plugged in you said to [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you're projecting I was so that dooms [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► the discrete GPU was forced on the whole [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► time and so it was basically as if you [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► were playing a game and like playing [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► your GPUs on your [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► CPU is probably being maxed out because [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► it sounds like the software is terrible [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► so yeah that's gonna be about one hour [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► battery life it was bad you know I think [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► the most popular advertisements that [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► we've ever run on this show were the [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► ones that cards against Mandy did where [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► we where John was forced to try a new [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► usually garbage toaster each week I [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► think it is possible if the cards [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► against humanity' folks are listening [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► that making Marco use some piece of [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► enterprise grade software once for a [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► once per ad that might be an even more [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► popular even better segment because it [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► would be magical you would probably quit [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► the show just from just from being near [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► enterprise these sort of things that [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► John and I have to deal with every day [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► yeah I would I would make a switch to [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► patreon the trick is though that you [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► have to be forced to use them like that [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► they're mandated by the company or [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► because you have to like teleconference [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► so you need to use the only approved [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► teleconference offer that you know [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► everybody has right that's the part of [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► its not just using the software it's [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► that you have two toasters kind of work [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► because like I maybe I'll be making [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► toast anyway but there's no way Marco is [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► going to even be doing the things that [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► these that's true programs you know are [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► made to do let alone being forced to do [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► them are to be Kendall writes in if you [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► think the MacBooks arrowkey setup is bad [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► check Dells recipe for annoyance and [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► there's a link included so imagine the [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► same arrow key setup that we have in [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► brand-new MacBook Pros but just for [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► funsies let's put page up and page down [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► in the dead space between so I'm sorry I [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► guess it's not like a new MacBook Pros [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► like the previous MacBook Pros and we'll [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► put a page up and page down in the dead [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► space to the left and right of the up [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► arrow key so if you're looking at it [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► it's page up and then below that is left [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► up and down page down and below that is [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► right it looks horrible I'm sure if you [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► get used to it it's convenient but oh [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► man it does not look it's not because [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► like if you accidentally hit like see [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► it's above the arrow keys right so if [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► you accidentally hit the wrong key [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► trying to go for left you don't go more [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► left you go page up which is totally [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► unrelated to left but that's the key [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► that's near there so I would never want [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► to like fumble tooth and and what if you [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► didn't notice you fumble it and then you [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► like didn't think you actually [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► so you hit left arrow you've done left [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► one character or whatever but you don't [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► realize you're a page up from where you [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► were and it's just well it's really [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► terrible and they also overlook [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► brightness the up and down arrow keys [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► what I'm assuming that's a modifier [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► thing but it'd be kind of funny if it [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► wasn't like every time gonna move the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► cursor up you get a little brighter you [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► can keep moving down the document but [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► eventually you can't see it anymore [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► no this this like I feel like and part [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► of the reason and I swear I'm not gonna [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► make this all about apples dumb laptop [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► keyboards but part of the reason why [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► Apple's keyboard design offenses bother [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► me so much is because we have it so good [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► in Apple and that usually their [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► keyboards don't have horrendous flaws [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► and if you look over in the PC land like [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► I mean you can get a ton of really nice [TS]