The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► meanwhile Adams upstairs right now [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► having nightmares about old potatoes all [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► right so as usual we should start with [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► some follow-up and I shouldn't be [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► excited about this one and only [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► follow-up item and I shouldn't be [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► excited because it's about boring big [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► business stuff but I'm actually kind of [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► excited about this because it's some [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► news about nomads so tell me about what [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► Nomad is what problem it's supposed to [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► solve and whether or not it solves it [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► last time we talked about this it was [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► like me complaining that I got a new [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► computer at work and my new computer was [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► on the Active Directory network and it [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► was a Mac and I was complaining about [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► how it seemed like being on the Active [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► Directory network was making lots of [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► things about my Mac worse and I was sad [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► about it and then and follow up on the [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► subsequent shows a lot of people send us [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► information about this thing called [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► Nomad they said hey you should try this [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► I think the story I was told by a couple [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► of people in feedback was like Apple's [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► Active Directory support is not great in [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► Mac OS and it never really has been and [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► there was like a consulting wing of a [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► ball that would like come to your [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► company and help you set up all your [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► Mac's for you for your big you know [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► enterprise or whatever and the [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► consulting company recognizing the [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► apples Active Directory stuff wasn't [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► that good but also recognizing that they [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► weren't in a position to make it better [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► came up with the system just like sort [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► of a series of like shell scripts and [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► other little programs and stuff that [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► would try to give you the effects of [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► Active Directory without actually being [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► Active Directory and that they would [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► pitch that to their clients and what my [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► recollection was that this is like a [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► this is an apple not not like just a [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► consultant but like actually part of [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► Apple going to help people and this part [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► of Apple because it wasn't empowered to [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► change Mac OS what was doing this other [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► thing and giving it to clients I don't [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► know if I got that part right but anyway [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► we will put the link in the show notes [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► they have a dot main new domain Nomad [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► had done menu which i think is not good [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► you can you can look at their website [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► and read about what it does that there's [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► a blog post from another company that it [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► does Mac related enterprise stuff the [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► basically thing you get [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► gives you the experience of accurate [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► director that requiring as they put it a [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► bind to ad so you're not constantly [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► connected to Active Directory and you [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► know all the things that I thought were [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► making my Mac slower like me trying to [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► wake it up from sleep and meet you know [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► getting to the point where I can enter [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► my password to unlock my computer or you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► know random spinners before it will [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► allow me to have network access and [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► stuff like that in theory this thing [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► would help so I took that feedback this [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► idea that sounds kind of neat but it's [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► not like I have any control over when [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► when or if that's going to happen but I [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► had a pleasant surprise a couple weeks [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► ago and my work started doing a trial of [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► this and I asked if you want to sign up [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► I said yes and like a day or two later [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► some Active Directory stuff disappeared [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► from my Mac and there's no mads stuff [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► appeared and so I could have to try it [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► and I have to say I'm about a week in [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► here it feels like a lot of the things [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► that seemed stupidly slow are not stupid [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► they slow anymore that's good it's much [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► faster for me to when I wake my computer [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► up or whatever to get to the point where [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► it lets me enter my password the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► computer unlocks faster and I feel less [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► like hangs for no reason so I'm pretty [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► happy with it so far [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► via well this also lets me know that my [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► complaints about touch ID on the Mac [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► we're not related to Active Directory [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► because now I'm not on active director [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► anymore and still touch ID on my 2017 [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► 15-inch MacBook Pro like when I want [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► unlock my computer sometimes the screen [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► will say enter your password or do touch [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► ID and that's what the screen says but [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► me repeatedly putting my finger on the [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► touch ID thing is telling me that it is [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► not reading my finger like it's not like [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► it's failing it just doesn't do the care [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► my fingers there at all it doesn't have [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► the little to put your finger here arrow [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► animation it's just completely blank and [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► putting your finger there as many times [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► as you want doesn't work when it does [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► work it's great but when it doesn't work [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► it makes me sit there with my finger on [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► the stupid thing putting it up and down [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► until I realize Oh [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► type my password why do I have my [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► password this time who knows but anyway [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► I'm guessing it's not Active Directory [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► related that's interesting my work has [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► been grumbly about Active Directory [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► stuff and so we've kicked around the [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► idea of nomad but none of us really knew [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► much about it so I will have to point my [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► IT people to the to this episode of the [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► beginning of it so hi Rory this was for [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► you even though you didn't know it but [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► yeah well definitely check that out [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► that's super cool because the nice the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► advantage of being in a place that's [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► only 500 or so people is that you know [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► there's an IT group of maybe five to ten [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► people which means you know I can [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► actually somewhat influence this [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► decision-making insofar as if I put in a [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► good word you know that's that's that's [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► a positive thing so cool no I'm glad [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► it's working out well any other [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► follow-up let me just I'm some printed [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► real-time follow-up from the question of [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► the chatroom yes I know that sometimes [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► you have to actually press the touch ID [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► button thingy to get it to try to [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► register I'd do that and it were just [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► will not register like so sometimes it [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► just it's not in the mood to read my [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► finger and I don't know why despite the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► messages on the screen to the contrary I [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► have some news we have another new child [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► in the house we have adopted a child [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► called elector that's not news you told [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► us that last week I did I tell you that [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► it was forthcoming okay that I'd [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► forgotten about that so yeah so I like [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► this here now remind me John in your [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► household you are mostly on Google home [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► is that right yeah I've got a regular [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► Google home and I've got a mini Google [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► home and then I have the home pod that [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► we talked about last week okay and then [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► what's going on in the Armen household [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► you guys are all they don't elect oh is [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► that right oh yeah she's my girl so this [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► is the first time that I have ever had [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► any sort of smart thing in my house [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► there's a joke here I see it I don't [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► care [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► there it's the first time I've ever ever [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► had any sort of smart assistant in the [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► house because Siri definitely does not [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► count so I I had heard from other people [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► talking about the lady in the tube that [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► they that she has skills and things and [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► that you can add stuff on to her and and [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► so I was vaguely familiar with the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► ecosystem that I was trying to set up so [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you know I got the lady in a tube I set [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► it up which was pretty straightforward [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► it's like you know a Wemo light switch [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► or something like that you know [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► you connect to its Wi-Fi it reads your [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► Wi-Fi then everything reconnects to the [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► regular Wi-Fi and things happen this is [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► an old news to probably 95% of the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► people listening anyway I added a few [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► skills and it's cool it works to Spotify [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► which is great [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► doesn't sound like utter garbage which [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► is surprising I wouldn't say it sounds [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► great but it is listenable I would not [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► plan to use it for music I like that and [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► you're playing music on it that's what [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► you're doing you gotta know like when [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► you're playing music on well done oh I [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► tried it just to see and it got [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► surprisingly loud and it didn't sound uh [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► turley terrible again I would not say it [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► sounds good [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► she knows a lot of animal facts you [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► should ask her about animals I well I [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► tried to install a scale I don't [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► remember what it was called that's [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► basically like a quiz for Declan you [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► know what animal makes this sound and [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► the one I found was clearly written by [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► someone who does not use English as [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► their first language and it was just [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► very peculiar so you don't have to [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► answer right now but if you have some [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► sort of suggestions about like toddler [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► friendly games which you guys may have [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► gotten this too late because that I may [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► have been too old at that point but if [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► you do have suggestions [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► Adam basically tells elected to play [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► timber by Kesha [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► no he also likes fire ball he's always [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► like Alexa play fire ball by pitbull so [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► that's how he communicates with Alexa [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► we're not really playing animal games [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► we've passed that and we've moved on to [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► the inappropriate hip-hop stage so it's [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► it's fine but yeah I mean we had books [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► and stuff for that that you hit the [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► little the like the sound animal buttons [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► on the side are like old school like the [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► ones that haunted Lex his house that one [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► time Dora the explora book that was [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► haunting him [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► yeah the battery was going low and I was [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► making a terrible noise I remember and [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► he like tore apart half his house to [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► find it and it ended up being a stupid [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► book but yeah we we mainly use it for [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► weather Adam will ask the weather in the [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► morning and it actually talking to [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► electa greatly helped him improve his [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► pronunciation because oh that's [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► interesting he would get frustrated that [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► she wouldn't understand him so then he [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► would have to articulate the word Allah [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► bit more and I really think that talking [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► to her has helped him develop his [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► linguistical skills [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► he's more receptive to instruction than [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► my children because my children have the [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► same problem and I tell them you have to [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► enunciate and it will understand you [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► better and they say they roll their eyes [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► in and say forget it [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► I'd say yeah Adam really really wanted [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► to hear fire ball by Pitbull so he made [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► sure he got that right he's got no other [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► way to do it yeah he learned that like [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► that syntax play fire ball by Pitbull [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► like if he just says play fire ball I'm [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► sure there's other songs that are by far [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► like did you own oh yeah he'll say he'll [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► say by pitbull and he also he found it [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► really funny that when he tells electus [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► aid he said electa play nothing that it [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► will play a song called nothing and he [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► thinks that's really funny because he [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► told her to play nothing when then she [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► goes and plays something so yeah he [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► asked the weather like I said it's [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► pretty good animal facts and other basic [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► facts asking it and setting timers and [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► stuff but yeah and oh he's been setting [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► a timers with it too cuz every time [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► we're like alright you know you have [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► five minutes for this and he'll set a [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► timer oh in the morning he comes [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► downstairs by himself he like gets up [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► gets dressed brushes his teeth and comes [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► downstairs and tells elect to turn on [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► the lights so he's pretty capable now [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► it's like a little person it's amazing [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► asking the weather is actually the most [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► common use of Siri in my house and it [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► started many years ago with my daughter [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► coming to my bedside table and using [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► whatever device I have there to find out [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► what the weather is so chic affair out [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► what she wants to wear although she [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► ostensibly it's to find out what you're [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► supposed to wear but regardless what the [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► weather is she just wears clothing that [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► is not appropriate for the weather so I [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► don't know kids these days the key fact [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► is that you you don't need to unlock any [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► of my devices to get the weather you can [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► you know hold down the little button and [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► then say what's the weather and it will [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► give you the weather report without the [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► device being unlocked so that's why [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► she's using cheap even she has her own [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► devices now but she still likes to come [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► into my room and use my iPad or my [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► iPhone to get the weather report so I [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► was trying to think how often does Siri [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► get used and like well I use it set a [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► reminder once every few weeks or [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► something mostly we don't use it then I [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► realize it gets used everyday to tell my [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► daughter [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► yeah and so it's been interesting for us [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► trying to I mean again it's been all of [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► a day but you know starting to figure [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► out how can this integrate into our [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► lives because we didn't exactly seek [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► this out right it kind of fell in our [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► laps just like my white cars it's so [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► anyway it just kind of appeared if you [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► will and we're trying to figure out [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► where does this fit in our lives because [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► this is not something we we've like [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► wanted and so far it seems like weather [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► and timers have been popular we did [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► enjoy doing a little bit of Spotify just [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► because it's nice to be able to call out [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► across the room you know hey yo lady in [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► the can play such-and-such by so-and-so [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► oh you can ask it to tell you stories or [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► jokes oh good to know I did not know [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► that yeah Adam and during Halloween [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► really enjoyed asking the lady in the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► can to tell him a scary story but there [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► they weren't really scary it was like [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► old potato like okay see where did you [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► physically put it so well actually TIFF [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► may remember this but it's next to the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► plant on ledge by the table in between [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► the living room and the table duh that's [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► exactly totally John so basically are if [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► you walk in from the garage you're [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► dumped directly in our kitchen from the [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► kitchen to the little breakfast nook [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► from the breakfast breakfast up to like [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► our main living or a family room [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it and there's [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► a little ledge in between the breakfast [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► nook and the family room and so we just [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► stuck it there for now on a piece of [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► wood and if after all the home pod stuff [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► I'm like man should I get a little doily [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► for this or what I don't even know but [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► we put it there because you know that's [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► easy access orally verbally whatever to [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► both the kitchen and the family room and [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► so without having to like scream you [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► know most of the downstairs can can hear [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► or can can speak to her and can hear her [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► and one of the striking things to me [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► about this which I think I [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► intellectually knew but it creeped me [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► out to see on the lady app on your phone [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► it actually shows you hey here's the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► things that you've said recently what [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► you know of itself okay I can kind [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► understand that but that's a little [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► weird but then you can listen to [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► yourself making these requests which is [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► again like understandable my brain [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► understands of course it's listening to [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► you that's how it does things [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► but like it's also recording me which is [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► a little weird but I still mostly [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► understand it but it's saving that which [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► is a little weird even though I do [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► understand it so that's like a little [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► bit funny and that did creep me back [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► kicked me out a little bit the only [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► skills I've installed are any list which [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► we spoke about an episode or two ago [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► which I didn't realize you actually have [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► to flip a switch on the lists within any [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► list in order to get them lady in the [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► tube enabled and once I did that it's [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► been working pretty well we don't have [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► nest thermostats because we're not cool [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► like that but we have you know one of [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► the men it's not Honeywell but it's like [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► some other manufacturers rough [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► equivalent and so I've installed a skill [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► for that it's the nexia skill and EXI a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► but I haven't actually tried it yet I've [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► installed an arrow skill that I haven't [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► tried and the aforementioned garbage [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► gets the animal sound oh I haven't done [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► much with it but it is neat it is more [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► neat and more convenient than I thought [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► it would be but I wouldn't say that it [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► has changed my world quite yet and the [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► one thing that did strike me as super [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► world-changing no sarcasm intended is [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► being able to just shout at the tube you [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► know hey play timber by Pitbull or [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► whatever the case may be in our case it [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► was actually play you know five little [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► ducks by Raffi [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► but anyway are you gonna update that [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► yeah well in you know being able to be [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► being able to be synced with Spotify it [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► that's really cool because I pay for [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► Spotify anyway and just having it being [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► able to use Spotify and then if I turn [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► Spotify on on my phone we can do the I [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► forget the term for it but the thing [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► where you can control other Spotify [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► clients and so even the hardware buttons [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► on my phone as long as the phone was [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► left in kind of like Spotify mode the [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► hardware buttons on my phone can control [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► the volume of the lady in the tube [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► playing music which is super cool I'm [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► not even entirely clear how that works [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► but it does and and so in that sense the [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► all this integration is super awesome [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► and it occurred to me wow I really wish [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► that like this tube was a much better [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► speaker and I thought well then that I [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► should get a home pod and then I thought [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► well no because I can't use Spotify with [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► it in the way I want and then it [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► occurred to me like I don't know where [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► I've been for the last two years but [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► they make an echo [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► what is it a little dot or something [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► like that the echo dot that I can plug [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► into the stereo like why have I not [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► thought of this for two years and I [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► could just shout it this little you know [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► dot echo dot or whatever it's called you [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► know hey lady in the tube play yo timber [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► buy pit ball and it would play on our [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► home theater stereo which is not a [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► remarkably great stereo in fact it's [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► kind of crappy but it's the best stereo [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► we have in the house why didn't I do [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► this a long time ago why do I do this to [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► myself so how does the other people in [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► your house feel about YouTube uh Aaron [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► is kind of ambivalent about it she I [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► don't think she's really embraced it as [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► yet partially because it's been a day [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► partially because I don't think she's [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► really seen me successfully like add [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► things to the grocery list a few times [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► or you know she's not one to typically [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► play music if I'm not around so usually [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► I'm like the family DJ Declan is scared [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► to talk to it in not in be like oh god [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► oh god way but the nd like I'm bashful [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and shy way but he does enjoy the fact [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that we can talk to it and asked me to [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► talk to it from time to time and [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► Michaela is just sitting there as per [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► expectations so it's so far I wouldn't [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► say it's a rousing success but I mean [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► I'm enjoying it more than I thought I [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► would and 417 or so dollars that it cost [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► me to ship it here it's worth 17 dollars [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► I don't know that I personally would pay [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► like 100 150 or in the key in the case [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► of the home pod three hundred and fifty [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► dollars for something like this [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► especially in the case of the home pod [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► where Siri is in my personal opinion [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► kind of garbage but it's it's pretty [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► cool I like it I mean a few of the times [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► that made me felt fall really in love [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► with the lady in the tube was when we [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► have gay nights and we all end up having [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► like song suggestion battles and we just [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► keep interrupting each other songs to [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► play other songs and it just gets really [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► fun the back and forth just yelling at [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► Alexa to do different things and in [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► addition you can also order stuff on [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► your friends electives and that gets [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► pretty fun too so yeah I don't know it's [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► cool I don't see myself buying a home [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► pod although it wouldn't surprise me if [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► that's on the birthday list like I did [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► it occurred to me that all this waffling [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► I'm doing in front of Aaron is probably [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► not helping her for my birthday shopping [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► because my birthday's in two weeks so I [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► don't know if she's if she's looking to [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► buy me a home pod would never buy me a [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► home pod has already bought me a home [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► pod I don't know what the plan is rut [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► you're a child Kizzy [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► oh no argument here I'm fine with that [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► but it just occurred to me that I that I [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► need to be more clear about what my [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► desires are for the home pod just in [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► case that's on her radar but the thing [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► is I still don't know what I want to do [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► had a home pod I feel like it's not [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► something I want except I do think [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► having a really great speaker would be [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► nice so if you listen to this podcast [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► what she won't say you should tell her [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► separately maybe she can get you a dot [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► because it's cheaper and it'll give you [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► something to hook up to your good [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► speakers that is true now John how was [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► your home pod second week on it's not [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► seeing much use like I mean I don't [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► think my kids know that they can ask it [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► the weather or maybe my daughter just [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► likes to use the stuff on my nightstand [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► because it's closer to her bedroom where [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► she's deciding what she's going to wear [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► but yeah not really getting much use I [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► mean my Google Homes don't get much use [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► either it's just that they're they're [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► there when I need them to be there like [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► that's the key component of these things [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► is I don't don't use them that [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► frequently certainly not daily probably [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► not even weekly but in the moment when I [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► have a desire and I'm too lazy to get up [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► or too lazy to go get my phone or just [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► want to know right now the fact that I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► can yell something into the air and get [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► satisfaction immediately is great and so [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► I feel like it's well worth the money [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► for these things just just for those [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► times and of course like I said when my [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► kids have friends over they use them you [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► know they become the house DJs and they [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► use them to play whatever songs they [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► want and laugh and do whatever they're [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► doing and interrupt each other songs and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► stuff like that so it's a it's a home [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► entertainment device to keep the [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► children entertained as well Alexa play [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► tub-thumping by Chumbawamba valentines [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► top 4 just earlier today I'm Way behind [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► on podcast and yeah that gargle is bad [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► but tub-thumping I can't I cannot abide [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► by that is they it's like their own [TS]

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00:20:43 ◼   ► website any other thoughts about ladies [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► and canisters and tubes and cylinders [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► and things of that nature tips not in a [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► cylinder but do not explain why she's [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► here well Marco is sick so they found [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► another armand and replaced him so hey [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► it's me and who are you I'm TIFF I'm [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► lossless introduce yourself hi I'm [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► Tiffany Armand you may know me from such [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► podcast as top 4 or playing for fun with [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► real AFM's Michael Hurley I'm also [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► sometimes on ATP and I'm married to [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► Marco Arment who's usually on ATP BAM [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► there you go you can find me on the web [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► under Tiffany Armen alright you skimmed [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► over the part about Marco being sick [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► which is kind of vague he's not dying [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► and I think he could have been on the [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► program but he doesn't feel well enough [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► to do it so here we are [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► hey screw you man oh god I can't talk [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► you jackass [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► God is somebody having fun with terminal [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► and thus a command not that were [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► complaining is great to have Tiff's I'm [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► just saying do you guys remember smarter [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► child you remember talking to that bot [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► know what there was a bot smarter child [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► in like the 90s that you would talk to [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► they I don't think I ever did it but now [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► that you mentioned was a nineties thing [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► I think I vaguely remember it but I [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► don't think I did it no we all did it [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► you know after school chatting with [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► smarter child on a messenger like all [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► the cool kids do eating snacks talking a [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► smarter child listening to no doubt you [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► do you know what piece of 90s nostalgia [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► just came back recently I feel like [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► every six months or so maybe it's every [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► year for some reason or another somebody [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► brings up I CQ like you know the the the [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► precursor predecessor or we know don't [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► know what you're talking about [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► see thank you Tiff's so I CQ the letters [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► I see and Q which is supposed to you [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► know be funny because it's also the [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► words I seek you it was like the first [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► particularly popular online presence [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► like I am applications so this was [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► before either before AOL Instant [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► Messenger existed or it was before it [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► existed to anyone outside of AOL I don't [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► know exactly what the timeline was but [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► what was interesting about ICQ and I [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► think it does still exist but what was [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► interesting about I CQ in its heyday [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► which was like mid 90s maybe late 90s [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► was that it had sequential user numbers [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► not unlike Twitter actually and so for [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► whatever and you actually use these user [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► numbers like I believe that was the [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► equivalent of a screen name and so [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► everyone knew their user numbers and to [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► this day welded into my brain that's [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► probably not the right phrasing but [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► whatever somewhere in my brain in a [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► place that I cannot remove it is one two [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► oh two five seven two and I will never [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► forget that probably for the rest of my [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► life and I just it's funny because you [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► know you bring up two if you know this [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► weird bit of nostalgia that just comes [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► up out of nowhere I really feel like [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► every six months or so somebody brings [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► up I CQ and/or their I CQ number I don't [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► know why but it happens all the time [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► there's a new TV show on Netflix called [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► everything sucks and it's very 90s they [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► pretty much just I like throw in all [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► these 90s [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► for instance just for people our age to [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► be like remember that and you know it's [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► like little uh teaser can't nineties [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► candy kind of show and mark when I just [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► binge watched it because we've been sick [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► so it was pretty fun I suggested to [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► anybody who is feeling some ninety love [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► go for it so you never had Isaac you [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► know no I started with AOL Instant [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► Messenger I think they were kind of [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► contemporary I had all these things [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► right but I was not as into any of them [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► to remember my ICQ number it was a [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► pretty big number too but like it was it [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► was like anything else where I would I [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► was more fractured than than it is now [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► like you talked to some people and Isaac [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► you some people in Ames some people I [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► talked to on the you know the [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► universities like real-time [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► communication thing like just using the [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► talk command [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► Isaac you had this terribly drawn flower [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► icon on the Mac oh yeah it was not a [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► good looking icon by any stretch part [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► goes in the chat room letting everyone [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► know is that your number you all have [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► big numbers too I think I get my number [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► was similar like I just don't remember [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► what our screen names are gone now right [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► or do can you like look up stuff with [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► people's screen names cuz someone just [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► asked about what my screen name was and [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► it's pretty really teenager II and I [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► don't know if I should say it screen [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► name for what aim yeah no one can do [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► anything weird with that can they aim [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► aim just recently shut down I know [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► because I got the message that said hey [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► you've been signed onto him every day [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► since it existed but guess what it's [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► going away because I was still on an [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► Adium is it gone now and all yeah I got [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► the message about it once I got the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► message I deleted it oh well I I guess I [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► still had mine but I saved all the [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► important chat messages from when Marco [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► and I first met because we're super cute [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► like that I actually have some I think I [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► might have our first instant messenger [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► conversation somewhere buried between [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► Aaron and me and every couple of years I [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► stumble on it so because we're also [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► super I'll go with cute maybe creepy I [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► don't know well it's like saving love [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► letters right right no I'm serious [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► that's hilarious listening not listening [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► but rereading this because it's like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► after you've been with any human being [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► for a long time being married or just [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► you know partners or [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► ever you you as a couple will chant like [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► you as individuals and you as a couple [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► will change and looking at like this [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► totally like you know scuffing of the [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► feet looking down at my toes Casey like [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► hey maybe we can chalk later [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► as opposed today's dynamic the wall [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► scaling ice crushing Casey I'm picturing [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► you in overalls with a daisy hanging out [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► of the butt pocket right that's how [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► these like these these chats between [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► Aaron and I read it's it's hilarious and [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► of merit and embarrassing but [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► nevertheless it is adorable to go back [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to them yeah Markos and I we were all [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► like oh well what do you what's your [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► favorite meal and do you like [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► thunderstorms nice so the generation [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► before like had to save their paper love [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► letters your generation is saving your [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► just right but the current generation [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► does have to say to anything because [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► it'll be in the cloud forever lucky [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► bastards like don't want to expunge it [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► right after they get divorced and they [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► won't be able to like Google sergers [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► will still turn it up because it's [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► feeding some training model and in [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► Google's giant time machine learning [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► cloud all right so what was your aim [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► name Casey let's let's see what yours [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► I think I have mentioned this at some [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► point in the past so I was trying to [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► think of like a cool 90s aim name I [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► don't know I think it was 97 ish that I [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► joined into the messenger 96 97 [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► something like that and so I'm sorry [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► think of a cool name I needed a cool [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► name and and I was on the bus on the way [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► home from high school and and my my [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► friend Ben was talking about how he's [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► trying to learn to play bass and he had [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► gotten a lot of blisters on his fingers [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and I thought ah got it [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► Lister but no it gets better it was even [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► worse than that [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► exactly robot mark oh I know what it is [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► because I had your aim address it's all [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► coming back to me now mmm I haven't [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► blocked it out but now I in fact I can [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► probably pull you up on my buddy list [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► right now if I could connect to the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► service it's like a metal name like my [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► name is buzz right I'm saying it was [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► such a great name do you have like did [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► you have like a nose piercing with a [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► safety pin yeah [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► yeah that's definitely me no I was like [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► that you know the the dorkiest white boy [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► in the world at which surprises no one [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► but nevertheless it turns out that that [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► the word blister BL is ter was taken who [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► knew so what do you do if blister is [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► taken in your final 15 16 17 years old [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► however old I was at the time BL is TA [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► of course blister on the end of it yeah [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► that's 69 or bliss to 6730 2 & 4 you [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► know or whatever it's those were the [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► worst [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► so TIFF now that you've compelled me to [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► share it is now your turn [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► okay well mine is really like whey feed [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► teenage I'm like super deep and write [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► poetry [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► mine was ma Mt [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► Jas which stood for music always makes [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► the journey sweeter oh wow [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and it was also the title of a painting [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► that I liked by this really weird artist [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► I believe his name was James Christensen [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► he was like some Mormon artist guy that [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► a Mormon boy showed me and because I was [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► super in love with him and hey hey hey [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► yeah it was in high school dude I didn't [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► even meet you yet robot Marco though [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► don't be in love with Mormons oh no it [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► was a whole scene he he died don't even [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► think he's straight like it's no it was [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► it was a whole thing it was a whole [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► thing he was deep though he played the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► piano beautifully mm-hmm we hung out out [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► on the jetty you know it's those type of [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► things so yeah [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► music always makes the journey sweeter [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► explain to Marcone Casey what a jetty is [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► they don't know what a jetty is it's a [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► big hole bunch of rocks that jut out [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► into some water that kids go out on and [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► Marga might know now your urine doctor [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► having him into Long Island culture well [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► it's true he knows now I don't think [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► he's been out he's seen the rock jetties [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► but he hasn't ventured out on them or [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► gotten stuck on the end when the high [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► tide comes in until he slipped it and [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► given himself a terrible cut on the [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► barnacles or something that he hasn't [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► really arrived yeah exactly [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► until you grab like you know a croissant [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► from the local bakery and go out on the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► jetty and cuddle a little bit you [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► haven't lived so these these are a m-- [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► you know yeah the same names [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► but were they did they span outside the [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► service that they become an identity [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► outside the services just the names that [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► you picked for the thing because I think [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► a lot of a common thing in the early [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► internet was to be forced to pick some [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► name on a service but lots of people [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► haven't picked named and to come up with [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► something like these two things you're [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► just described these two things yeah and [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► to attach that and then so for the next [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► service to use like the same name [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► because for the same reason because like [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► you know won't be taking any you become [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► to be identified by it that happened oh [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► yeah oh yeah I had my name forever until [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► I started using like my real name places [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► I was always ma'am to just at least know [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► numbers but I think that's worse this is [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► not pronounceable no it's not it doesn't [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► even pronounce that it was a terrible [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► decision made by a really confused [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► person Casey where else did you use [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► blister blister where I could and fell [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► back what if possible I wish my name was [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► bliss name give me give me through [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► Archon again it's like a bass player and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► he had gun blisters I said no no no no [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► so like my my so if you think I'm nerdy [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► and my friend Ben was even nerdier than [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► I am or at the time anyway and he was [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► learning to play bass and was lamenting [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► on the school bus on the way home from [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► school because we were like a couple of [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► houses down from each other that he was [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► getting blisters all over his hands and [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► this was as I was pontificating about [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► what I should call myself online and [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► that's when I chose blister and the [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► image in your mind blisters that's [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► that's an image I want to associate [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► myself with why not because there's a [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► gross yes but I was 17 years old I'm [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► good how about abrasion yes so you were [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► 17 that's way too old to be naming [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► yourself blister I mean whatever it was [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► I was in high school I know I was in [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► high school that I'm sure of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► so yeah I was probably told to be naming [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► myself that but remember everyone that [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► this was a different era and that things [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► were different back then I had a friend [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► who his name was gravy boat and I was so [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► jealous I'm like that's so good ah sure [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► I thought I wish I thought a gravy boat [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► but that's not better than your name [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► gravy boats amazing are you kidding [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► such a good name my aim name I was [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► can share because the service is now [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► dead was JC siracusa why was it because [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► both Jay Syracuse and Syracuse who were [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► taken because DJ Syracuse it was taken [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► yeah I don't know I've been trying to [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► teach my children don't pick usernames [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► with numbers in them because I feel like [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► that's not something I family does [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► family that we don't but beyond that [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► they're not good at picking usernames [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► I'm and it's hard to do I had to come up [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► with with my son's Playstation account [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► name and like everything is taken and I [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► just wanted something that would like [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► not being embarrassing to anyone in the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► present or in the future but be somehow [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► meaningful and connected to something [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► right hard it was hard to do we'd spent [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► a long time on that well you know what [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► having you two on the show reminds me [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► that I need to pick a bone with Long [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► Islanders because for the longest time [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► once I realized that I should just start [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► embracing like my actual name like I was [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► you know old enough because remember [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► early Internet you never used both your [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► first and last name on the internet [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► never did that because it was too scary [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► especially if you're a kid not for yeah [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► see that this is weird your yeah that's [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► I felt like that skipped my generation [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► big I guess it was like before you were [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► taught like we at the point I would when [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► I was doing it they were teaching the [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► younger kids not to do that [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► but no one was teaching us not to do [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► that so we did it yeah I think this is [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► one of the rare times I mean this [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► genuinely that I remember that you are [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► more than just a year or two older than [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► I because generally speaking you and I I [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► mean there there are some subtle [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► differences between our upbringings and [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► some bigger ones but but they're not in [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► my face very often and this is one of [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► those times where it's very in my face [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► but anyways when I realized that I [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► should start purchasing domain names [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► because they were less than like a [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► gazillion dollars for comm you know so [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► things had started to level out a little [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► bit for the longest time I wanted to get [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► list comm and for the longest time it [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► was taken by Long Island soda systems [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► and I remain to this day bitter about [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► that because [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► not only did they take my surname and my [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► rightfully deserve domain name but [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► because I wasn't very organized they [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► eventually let it lapse and now some [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► squatter has it and probably wants a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► billion dollars for you should have been [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► you could have snipe that I know and you [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► should have had a watch on that and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► picked it up as soon as it came [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► available it's hard to say that you have [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► you know anything because with Li you [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► have to go to Long Island [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► mm-hmm tough luck on that one yeah mmm [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► reign supreme [TS]

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00:36:53 ◼   ► show so we actually talk about tech [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► stuff no I like talking about Long [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► Island there is one tech related game [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► related thing that I'd like to do a [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► quick hit on because and TIFF may [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► actually have something to say about it [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► this is a story about Vulcan coming to [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► the map Mac vul kan which is the latest [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► version of well it's a graphics API made [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► by the same consortium that does OpenGL [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► and you know them at all [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► max have open jail and there's a mobile [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► / - open GL es on the iPhones and stuff [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► but it's been years since Apple do [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► anything with the Open GL stack on the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► Mac and it shows in the performance and [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► features of OpenGL on the Mac which [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► tends to hamper the ability to either [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► make Mac native games which almost [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► nobody and he does or two port games [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► from other platforms because if you make [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► a game and it uses some gaming API that [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► doesn't exist on the Mac that's not [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► gonna work and you need some kind of [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► shim layer to work with OpenGL you know [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► - converting from DirectX token jail or [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► something or if you try to write it [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► portably in OpenGL from all tool [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► platforms OpenGL on the Mac is so old [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► and so slow that you can't like unless [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► you use it as a you know lowest common [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► denominator like and most people don't [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► do that for games it's not good so I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► think it is hurt gaming gaming [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► performance and game availability on the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► Mac and so and of course Apple is now [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► doing the metal thing where is a lower [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► level API with a much more modern lower [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► level API that is nevertheless exclusive [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► to Apple platforms it's on iOS cents on [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► the Mac and a lot of game engines have [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► written to that so the unity engine is [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► another what's the other let's say that [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► big damage if you probably know from the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► opening screens of games unity and [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► unreal I was totally just gonna say that [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► yeah I have support for metal and so [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► that helps bring some games to the Mac [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► is like okay well I'm not writing my [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► game but using OpenGL I'm using an [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► engine and the engine knows how to [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► target these platforms so that has [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► helped a little bit but now finally [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► Vulcan is coming to the Mac not from [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► Apple but from the same I don't know if [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► it's the same consortium it's an open [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► source thing anyway to let people write [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► games using the Vulcan API and then run [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► them on the Mac and on Windows and on [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► wherever with equal feature set and [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► there's a couple stories we'll put the [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► links in the show notes of like oh they [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► tried porting a game and the Vulcan [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► implementation even though Vulcan is [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► just like translating those calls down [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► into metal for the game to run is like [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► 50% faster than the old version which [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► would translate the calls down to the [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► OpenGL stack so I feel like this is yet [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► another nail in the coffin of OpenGL on [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► the Mac which is basically been dead [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► ever since Apple decided they never [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► gonna update it again but having it [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► there and having it be old and slow was [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► just depressing and like I didn't it was [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► almost like I didn't like it when games [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► used the quote-unquote native Mac API [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► because it was slow so now [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► just all the game makers are taking this [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► all out of Apple's hands and I'm hoping [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► what it will mean is better performance [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► for games when running on the Mac like [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► so you know what to reboot into Windows [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► like running games in steam or whatever [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► on the Mac and finally everyone giving [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► up on waiting for Apple to do anything [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► gaming related on the Mac other than you [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► know because they changed the window [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► server to metal I think in ceará or High [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► Sierra I forget one but like I'm you [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know OpenGL seems to be fading fast I [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► wish I wish Apple instead had just said [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► oh never mind we realized we should have [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► kept updating OpenGL and making it [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► faster and better but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► like they're doing that so I'm glad [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► someone else is doing it for them I'm [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► excited for all the games I play on my [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► Mac I like games do you reboot into [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► Windows to play games you mostly just [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► play them on Steam on your Mac I play [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► mine on Steam on Mac I haven't played [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► any games on my Mac except Firewatch [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► which I almost forgot the name of that's [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► how long it's been and that was very [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► good but that is the only time I've ever [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► played a game on my Mac oh and you did [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► do boot camp as he had always been [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► complaints about how hard it was to get [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► boot camp on what game was that for oh [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► that was for the inside Thank you Thank [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► You robot Marco inside I've totally [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► forgotten that wasn't do they just not [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► have the Mac port out then or are they [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► still not yeah the Mac port wasn't out [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it literally came out like a week after [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► we recorded or like a few days after we [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► recorded or it was coming out while I [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► was playing the game but I needed the [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► time to play the game before I could I [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► saw I couldn't wait for the port to come [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► out that's another podcast your own [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► occasionally you didn't you didn't [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► listed in your list of podcast if is [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► also on the inoperable occasionally oh [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► and I'm also I'm a player on all the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► game show the incorpo game shows stuff [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► yeah Boulder - I mean not Boulder - low [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► definition no no that's a copyrighted [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► trademark game owned by some other [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► company no we don't play - Boulder - at [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► all I don't even know what game that is [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► I never heard of it before in my life [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► low definition yeah the lowest of lows [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and the highest of highs alright let's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► talk about this weird patent that just [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► came out which is that really that weird [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► in the grand scheme of things so [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► patently Apple they noticed that Apple [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► has been granted a patent for a dual [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► display MacBook or perhaps second [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► generation iPad pro so the gist of it is [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► there's a display that you look at in a [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► display that you would ostensibly type [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► on and since Marco has done a little bit [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► of kvetching and complaining about the [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► modern keyboards I think this is really [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► we should just call this the marco [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► patent this is to make marco happy [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► because clearly the answer to Marco's [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► problems is if dust is a problem Marco [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► will just remove any mechanism by which [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► dust could get in the keyboard because [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► there is no into the keyboard it's all [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► just glass so you're welcome Marco it's [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► all for you I actually don't think [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► there's that much to say about this I [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► put it in here mostly so we can refer [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► people back to the original discussion [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► of this which was episode 193 title that [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► was the escape zone it was when I first [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► talked about the touch bar MacBook Pros [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► like right after they were announced and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the first thing that I think occurred to [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► anybody including us who looked at the [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► touch bar MacBook Pro is okay so they've [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► got a little screen on top of the [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► keyboard it seems kind of like a [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► half-measure [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► do we think that that eventually the [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► whole keyboard will be screen and we had [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► like ass long conversation about it so [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► go back to that episode if you want to [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► hear because I don't think we're gonna [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► repeat it here we took we did all set [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► all the things you're gonna expect us to [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► say about the pluses and minuses of [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► having anything that's that's entirely a [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► screen to type on and then this story is [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► like any other Apple patent story the [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► idea of having an entirely screen [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► keyboard is obvious to anybody including [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► Apple and you mean they did it on their [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► iOS devices it's they put a screen on [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► the keyboard surely they had [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► investigated that and like anything that [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► Apple does they investigated and they [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► patented especially the obvious idea is [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► because that's how our stupid patent [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► system works so as with all patent [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► things this means nothing about any [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► product that iple actually ship but it's [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► a thing that's been in everybody's mind [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► I think people do want to touch screens [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► on their computers I think people don't [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► some people don't like the keyboards as [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► they exist now and we expect them to [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► change I don't expect them to change in [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► this direction but this is just you know [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► time delay to confirmation that yes of [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► course Apple has considered having the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► whole keyboard be a screen or having the [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► whole thing to be a convertible snap [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► apart thing with like an iPad and a [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► screen thing or whatever but until we [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► hear more we'll just continue assuming [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► that this is a thing they investigated [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► but are not going to produce but I think [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► they could sell something like this not [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► maybe as a Mac laptop maybe as an iOS [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► thing but it doesn't seem imminent to me [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► let's let's start [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► baby steps let's fix the mechanical [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► keyboard reliability problems first and [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► then after that maybe fix the Marco [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► satisfaction index on the mechanical [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► keyboard that is not reliable [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► damn straight well that topic I have to [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► say I've been using my 2017 MacBook Pro [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► at work with the keyboard has not yet [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► broken because I rarely use the keyboard [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► so I'm not using a lot but it's not [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► you're broken and I'm mostly a convert [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► to the key switches I still hate the [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► touch bar mostly because of the Escape [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► key which I want to be real key but I [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► like the actual keyboard obviously the [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► reliability part is still an issue no I [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► agree with you John that that I mean now [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► granted I've not used to touch bar Mac [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► but um but just the key the key switches [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► and whatnot I adore them and I have [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► spent years talking about how much the [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► magic keyboards are my favorite [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► keyboards ever and in the last six [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► months to a year I have decided that no [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► my favorite keyboard ever if you can put [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► a humongous asterisk on the end is the [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► is the one that's in the modern MacBook [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► Pros and MacBooks [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► but that humongous asterisk is when it's [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► working and as much as I want to say [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► that Marcos being a big baby and that [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► that really it's not a problem no really [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► it is a problem like I never needed to [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► buy compressed air in 10 years but as [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► I've mentioned several times I had to [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► probably compressed air to get some like [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► microscopic dust out of my macbook [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► keyboard but man when it's wet it's like [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► my car isn't it like when it's working [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► gosh I love that thing [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► but then occasionally it fails me it [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► makes me sad but you know you don't love [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► the arrow keys though like I mean [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► there's still I have I have a general [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► hatred for laptop keyboards but [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► specifically the arrow keys it's grim I [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► don't like the arrow keys but the [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► don't drive me as nuts as I think they [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► drive you and I think some of that is [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► because I've been I've been using them [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► using the inverted T for less well no is [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► that really true because my PC stuff [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► always had an inverted T I think I don't [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► know the fact that you could feel for [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► because you could feel for the gap so [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that the one the one is that we talked [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► about the feeling for it but the other [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► thing I find that surprised me using the [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► keyboard now for a long time besides not [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► being able to feel down there to find [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► where the edges are is that the up and [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► down arrow keys which it's the same [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► essentially the same logical arrangement [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► has always been a half size up and half [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► sizes down crammed into a single key [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► space I find it more difficult to [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► differentiate and find and select like [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► the OP versus the down and I don't [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► understand why maybe it's because the [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► travel is less maybe because there's [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► less of an indent or a space between [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► them but I find myself I've found the [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► correct key with my finger I'm not [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► looking but I found the correct key the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► up/down key with my finger and I have to [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► like carefully navigate which one of the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► things I want to hit anyway all that as [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► I've said for years and years would be [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► solved if they just put an actual full [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► sized inverted T and broke the symmetry [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► of the outline of the keyboard but not [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► holding my breath on that yeah TIFF are [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► you using any sort of mobile rig or [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► mobile computer computer or are you on [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► iPads when you're running around I'm on [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► iPads when I'm running around but I want [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► to say something about this virtual the [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► all screen keyboard patent thing so like [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► Apple does a lot of different patents [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► for everything right so it's not like [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► super important that they did this one [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► because they're doing weird patents all [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the time for different things that they [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► think of which is as they should a smart [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► business move but what if I didn't read [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► this article because I'm you know I'm [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► not allowed to prepare for the show [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► you're filling the marco role I asked [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► him and he was like no no yeah nothing [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► to read it's fine but so I use a kind of [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► like a skin on the top of my keyboard [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► now which has photoshop shortcuts on it [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► and generally the shortcuts that I use [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► the most I don't need a keyboard for but [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► the ones that are kind of more obscure I [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► do use it and it's nice to have that [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► reference without having to look up a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► guide online to find out what is the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► shortcut for a certain obscure tool that [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► I'm just not used to using that I want [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► to try out but a virtual keyboard kind [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► of oh not virtual because it's you know [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► there is a physical pad [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► there but it would be kind of an all [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► screen digital keyboard and that like [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► you can kind of have those layouts [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► built-in in the software you know you [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► could just like swap them in and out I [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► think that would be kind of cool [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► wouldn't it app to tiff yeah I mean if [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► you remember what episode 193 but that's [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► kind of what we talked about like it was [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► the original pitch for our Steve Jobs up [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► on the iPhone it's like okay well you [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► got a keyboard on your thing but then [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► like the keyboard is what the keyboard [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► is but what if you could change the [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► keyboard based on the application you're [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► using like if you just make this the [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► entire front of the phone is screen it's [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► you know it's much more configurable [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► they demoed that in the original iPhones [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► like look when we when we ask you to [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► enter numbers we'll just change the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► whole keyboard to a numpad and when [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► you're entering just letters we could [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► save room and not have and we have like [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► a key to toggle you know we all know [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► this from using iOS we're like we don't [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► have to have the numbers above the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► letters all the time taking up more room [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► on them what was then the very small [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► iPhone screen we can just not have a [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► number at all and then you want to type [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► numbers hit this little thing in the [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► corner and then the whole keyboard [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► changes the numbers that's like the most [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► simple form of that someone you're [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► talking about is like like when you have [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► a screen you could put anything you want [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► there it doesn't even have to look [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► anything like a keyboard it could be [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► like this pallet of buttons that you can [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► hit to do Photoshop e-type things like [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► it keep the layout of a standard [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► keyboard because that's the way people [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► learn and are used to typing right [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► because like old people write old people [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► but like you know in general like that's [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► where the its laid out that way for a [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► reason I guess I don't know I [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► CGP grey talking about some sort of [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► weirdo keyboard that he uses but I mean [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► again yes why I mean looking at my [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► keyboard right now with this floppy skin [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► on it that gets a whole bunch of crud [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► underneath and it just it's all pasty I [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► don't know it's it's not a pretty [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► solution I mean everything's laid out [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► similar but it has the shortcuts written [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► on top of them and it would be really [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► nice to kind of have that transparency [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► layer be in a digital format instead and [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► then be able to switch back to see a [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► normal keyboard instead of revealing the [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► crud covered keys that now live [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► underneath this floppy skin that's like [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► the transitional model because people [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► who have been using a physical keyboard [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► to use Photoshop for a long time have [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► muscle memory for where the key [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► shortcuts are for [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► the commonly used ones for example right [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and so if you oh yeah the common ones [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► but that I'm talking about like you know [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► some of the obscure stuff yeah no but [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► I'm saying I'm saying like that's that's [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► the reason why you display a virtual [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► keyboard on the screen instead of [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► something you know [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► more sort of like thinking outside the [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► box that because you're not limited by a [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► physical keyboard anymore you can [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► display anything you want down there it [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► could be like a custom palette made for [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► manipulating Photoshop really quickly [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► but because people are coming from a [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► world where they're using Photoshop on [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► PCs and things with regular keyboards [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► they would probably want a layout that [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► mimics a physical keyboard only with [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► like you said with the overlay on [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► forever but eventually I'd have to think [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► that all of us would die out and I'd be [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► like well why am i why am i showing you [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► a picture of a physical keyboard down [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► there when what you really want is a you [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► know a custom control layout made [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► specifically for using photoshop most [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► efficiently perhaps that you could even [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► rearrange themselves just becomes [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► another it just becomes another piece of [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► software in the same way they'll let you [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► rearrange all like your sidebars and [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► your layers palette and all that other [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► stuff and dock things to each other and [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► customize in that way the bottom the the [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► screen that is horizontal is just [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► another version of the screen that is [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► vertical and you should be able to lay [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► it out the same way even to the point [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► where that could be the surface that [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► you're drawing with your pencil instead [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► of drawing on your vertical screen [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► laptop which would never work we're just [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► talking about the multi pad lifestyle [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► here right essentially you just put two [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► iPads next to each other and like you [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► know communicate didn't they have like a [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► shuffleboard app that you could like [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► string them all up and you get throw [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► them throw the pucks to right across [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► Lincoln for iPhones anymore when I set [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► that up once it was pretty sweet but [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► yeah that's basically what this is right [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► but in a laptop yeah well that doesn't [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► say I'm it's just a pattern right but [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► you know they they try to cover all [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► their bases like you know could be a [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► tablet it could be a personal convey [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► their all vague about it right that's [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► the thing with patents but there's lots [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► of possibilities here of you know [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► applying second-screen [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► to a thing that Apple makes whether it's [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► an iPad with a second screen that snaps [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► on to it or a laptop thing or you know [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► both and you can snap it onto either one [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► with little magnets or something or they [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► just never do anything like this and you [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► know we'll see yeah I can get excited [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► get behind this I can get excited about [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► it that sounds kind of fun so so you [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► don't have it you don't have a hang-ups [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► about typing on it because like say it [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► was on like a laptop or something like [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► the reason people usually buy physical [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► keyboards for their iPads this two [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► reasons one is [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► I want to have something they can type [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► on it's not a screen but the second one [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► I feel like people forget is having a [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► separate keyboard and iPad frees up the [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► entire iPad screen for screen purposes [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► yeah I'm seeing the benefit and having [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► the screen the double screen space so if [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► you're doing any kind of even if you're [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► drawing or typing or doing anything the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► screen space in front of you is precious [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► and you don't want to take half that up [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► with some keyboard that you're typing on [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► but no I type a lot of my phone I don't [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► think really matters anymore is that [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► working for you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► seriously yes I mean I don't type a lot [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► it is so bad for me [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► but I don't type a lot I mean I answer [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► some emails and even long emails I sit [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► and I type them out on my phone because [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► it's easier being mobile with it then [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► coming back and sitting at my computer I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► guess it's a KC problem that's things [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► we've discussed in the past of how some [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► people really don't like typing on glass [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► but a whole generation of people growing [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► up typing on glass and they're not gonna [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► have the same hang-ups about it that [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► some of us do I feel fine I feel more [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► fine about young-at-heart I am I'm the [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► youngest right here right now so I mean [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► come on I like I like a couple of months [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► or something yeah I'm millennial man I [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► like to think about it I don't like to [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► think about people born in the 80s [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► grouse love you too Johnny oh goodness [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► no I don't know about this this patent I [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► mean I'd try anything and just like you [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► guys the idea of having another screen [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► that's modifiable to suit to suit your [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► needs or suit the needs of what's going [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► on right then does sound good I never [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► really played was it the 3ds that had [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► the the to screen setup is that right no [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► so does okay I never really played one [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► of those for more than like two minutes [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► and it seemed kind of silly in the two [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► minutes I played it but I'm sure that [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► there were plenty of games where it [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► actually made a lot of sense I don't [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► know how to try it I'm not great at [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► typing on glass I'm better on a [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► full-size iPad which is funny because I [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► don't have a full-size iPad in the house [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► but I mean I'd give it a shot but man I [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► can't imagine I would want especially [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► for a full on computer I I would enjoy [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► having glass as my only input mechanism [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► what was that projection keyboard from [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► like Microsoft that never worked there [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► was some sharper image I think I know [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► she's thinking into a Microsoft Store [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► when [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► had Adam was young enough to be strapped [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► to me you know like like in a little [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► harness thing that you wear when you [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► wear your babies and we were in a [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► Microsoft Store typing on some sort of [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► like projected keyboard yeah they still [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► make those that that's that I feel like [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► is even worse than the screen ones [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► because then never quite worked as well [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► as even a screen keyboard would well [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► yeah and you couldn't see it too well [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► either it wasn't it wasn't great oh yeah [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► yeah all right so before we do ask ATP [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► we're going to do a brief ask TI FF and [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► I'm assuming that this was mostly John's [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► work that I'm now taking credit for but [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► I will MC and let John take over as soon [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► as he sees it necessary TIFF what's your [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► favorite tech product right now these [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► questions I mean come on dudes tech [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► podcasts all right my favorite tech [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► product right now I would have to say is [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► the switch because I've been playing it [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► constantly so go switch you playing yet [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► handheld there on the TV mostly TV with [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► the pro controller yep the proper way [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► but I put stickers on the pro [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► controllers oh well this the dog sticker [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► is on the main the little joy con set a [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► holder thing yeah that make when it [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► actually looks like a little dog but on [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► the back of all of our pro controllers [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► we each have kind of like our own [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► sticker so each family member has their [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► own controller you know I do still love [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► my switch but I almost I feel like I [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► never have time to play it and the part [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► of the problem I have with the switch is [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► that I've only made it I would guess [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► like a quarter of the way through Zelda [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► you despite having had it for months now [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► oh my god and I feel like it's so hard [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► and maybe this is maybe it's me but it's [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► hard for me to pick it up play it for [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► like 10 or 15 minutes put it back down [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► and then remember what the crap I was [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► working on the next day when I pick it [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► up again like it Zelda is not the kind [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► of game that you just pick up and play [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► for 10 or 15 minutes and put down it [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► totally is you just haven't here's the [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► thing it is that type of game especially [TS]

00:57:19 ◼   ► this Elders of having but the problem is [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► that you have not because you don't do [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► any you don't have to do anything it's [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► so that's fair yeah but the thing is [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► like you haven't the game hasn't grabbed [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► you like that's the problem like visit [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► if the game grabbed you the way it works [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► like when you [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► you know showing that you can dip into [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► it is yeah you only have 15 minutes so [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► you dip into it and do a thing but if [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► the game has actually grabbed you have [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► really gotten your attention all the [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► while you're not playing you're thinking [TS]