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they're beings for harbor today but
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assuming that they are cuz this was kind
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of weirdly tied to the macro and this PR
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thing they should just make the kind of
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computer that has the most you can
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possibly have in it for this role like
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for like the Mac Pro it's a tower
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there's no limitations really on power
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consumption or price or size so give it
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the most you can get when you're making
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a laptop you want to have something
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that's portable presumably thin and
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light if you can get it there has a good
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battery life but within but other than
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that make it as versatile as possible
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this is an argument I always have with
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people who are like well you why do you
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need the SD card slot I never used mine
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so I'm glad they removed it that's these
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are versatile general purpose machines
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they should have commented as much as
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possible removing anything should not be
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considered a feature except wait that's
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the only thing that should be considered
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a feature of removing like everything
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else like these should accommodate as
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much as possible so to try to pick like
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a few certain narrow use cases or a few
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certain industries or types of quote Pro
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users which is meaningless to say like
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we're gonna optimize it or we're gonna
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design it to accommodate these things it
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makes like a like a spiky or peaky
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design instead of something that is more
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versatile that can accommodate a
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well-rounded group of things people
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might want to do with these computers
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the way to properly design computers is
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to cover as much as possible not as
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little as possible and I and this is
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that this has been a design conflict
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between me and Apple for a long time
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well for recent years especially I wish
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that the products we were getting out of
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Apple were just more general-purpose
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more versatile the 2013 Mac Pro went in
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the other direction and flopped
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miserably the 2013 Mac Pro is saying
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let's take all the different things
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people can do with the old Mac Pro
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towers so many different configurations
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possible for so many different kinds of
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uses and priorities and budgets and
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everything else and then they made this
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little trashcan thing that was optimized
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for like one use case and one type of
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customer they replace this in
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credible versatile broad-reaching
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product with a very narrow one and it
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flopped I can make many parallels to the
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laptop lineup right now I hope that they
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have learned some lessons from the 2013
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Mac Pro and from the negative reactions
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to 2016 MacBook Pro and I hope they're
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gonna start giving us more broad
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products the iMac Pro is a pretty good
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start in that direction I want to see
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more from the Mac Pro so it really
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depends on how they're using these
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people because they don't go into that
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much detail I think said I didn't tell
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you when they were formed they just like
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oh they're right down the hall and yes
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they're influencing the Mac Pro and so
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on so I can think of lots of good users
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these people this gets to the to my
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point earlier about it's apples job to
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make a good product the people they
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consult aren't making the product aren't
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dictating the product design like
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they're just one input and you have to
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know what what input do you actually
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want from these people you don't want
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them just to just go in there with a
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blank sheet of paper and say here pros
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what kind of computer would you like us
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to build and they all draw a picture of
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their home or car and you go great we'll
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build that and then you build it as
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terrible no one likes and you can't
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figure out what you did wrong like an
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apples not doing that I'm sure right
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right you but there is valuable feedback
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to be harvested from them to your point
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markup to make a general-purpose
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computer that that doesn't have doesn't
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have stupid limits right so to give to
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give some examples that might sound
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silly but I think is is hopefully
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exactly the kind of feedback they're
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getting from these people for the Video
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Editor examples I'm going to make up
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stuff by video wedding cuz I don't know
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anything about it right but say the
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video editors say that they they never
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put their computers on their desk they
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always have it like underneath there in
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like a some standard cabinet or Bay or
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something or whatever right and for it
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to be there the cords that connect from
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the monitor to the computer have to be
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some length and they could say the last
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monitor you made the cords are never
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long enough so we have to buy extenders
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and extenders are flaky or the you know
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the bus doesn't doesn't support cords of
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that length and it's kind of annoying
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and same deal with the input devices
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because of the distances if you just
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made all your cords like a foot longer
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there would be so much less frustrating
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that's valuable feedback because it's
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just saying look this is how people like
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to arrange their stuff it seems like a
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minor issue but if we don't do this if
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we make our codes like Accords the
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normal length it's gonna be annoying to
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these people in the same way the
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five-second long Final Cut Pro Windows
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it is annoying like they can get around
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it the product is not dead on arrival
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but it's a thing we wouldn't have
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thought of have we hadn't if we hadn't
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talked to real people who use them in a
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certain situation and it's a thing we
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can do it's not dictating the design of
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the computer just make the cords a
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little longer I have to think that they
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had a similar type of reason for the
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ridiculously long charger cord for the
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the Apple watch you know the core for
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that thing is like well sometimes the
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outlet is like behind the headboard of
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the bed in the middle and to reach the
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nightstand it has to be pretty darn long
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and yeah people can use an extension
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cord but that's kind of annoying so
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we're just gonna include a really long
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cord stuff like that is exactly the kind
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of hardware feedback that you can get
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without saying oh whatever hardware you
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need for your three specific specialties
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we're just going to build something that
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does that and then leave someone out in
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the cold who wants to do like MRI
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imaging it's like well I don't want
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about any of those people want I want
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something else entirely so they should
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be making a general-purpose flexible
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computer but if they can you know to the
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the goal of accommodating more use cases
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is you have to talk to all sorts of
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people these people want to for longer
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record these people don't want any
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lights in the front or you have to be
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able to disable the lights like stuff
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like that but you can just do that it
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when you look at the whole computer like
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why are the cords so long and who cares
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about turning off the lights I certainly
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don't care about turning off the lights
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and why does it have like slots in front
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end and back or why are they a why are
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they on the side instead of over here
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it's like you shrug your shoulders and
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say whatever it's fine for me but to
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make a machine that accommodates the
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most possible use cases that's
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worthwhile feedback on a hardware level
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you still you don't want it to be the
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Homer and have everything that everybody
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wants because it stops being coherent at
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some point but that kind of feedback in
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the feedback I mentioned before of like
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please don't make something that like
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is cooled by gel and magnetically
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levitates and you know is a bunch of
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boxes that snap together with magnets
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like we don't nobody wants that like
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nope I know you think it's cool but I
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guess you know but I mean say we as
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professionals talk to everybody talk to
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the video better talk to the audio
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editors talk to the scientific people
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nobody wants that and and the people who
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think it's cool they're not the ones
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buying matter exactly otherwise we're
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gonna complain the to expense and so so
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I think you know that feedback is is
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good to consent on the right path but
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after that it's just a matter of finding
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out all the little little things that
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are easy for Apple to do that can go a
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long way that I mean and that's perfect
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for Apple to brag about like in their
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presentation say and we've learned that
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you know again I'm making up all this
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stuff because I don't use them as
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contacts it was like and we learned that
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in certain studios people don't like to
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have lights so if you want to turn off
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all the lights on you on your thing you
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turn them off and the audience would
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applaud if they were if they also knew
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about this whole light thing right
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that's that's the type of feedback
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they're getting is that it for now III I
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don't know what to do
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don't worry there'll be more don't worry
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yeah they didn't actually release that
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much new information so all we can do is
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speculate oh and I guess related to this
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and how I got on this topic but I was
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wandering YouTube looking at fancy PC
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towers and there are some cool ones
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because I you know this is sort of I
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don't know like Mac Pro methadone right
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I'm just I can't I don't have any news
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about a Mac Pro so I can just go look at
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other things and say if the Mac Pro was
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like this it would be neat like I saw
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one recently that was a tower like a
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mini tower PC with no fans like
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passively cooled but with reasonably
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modern hardware in it like no fans that
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is a certain appeal doesn't it right and
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you know it obviously outperforms any
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Mac ever sold right because it's a PC
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you know with the real video card and
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everything it's not the fastest video
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card you can get an anna bc but it was
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I was like no fans really it wasn't even
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that big it didn't even get that hot I
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was like wow if Apple and this by the
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way Apple don't do this none of your
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pros are asking for No
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but if if this was like an avenue of
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weirdness that they made like instead of
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making the trashcan they instead decided
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you know Steve Jobs still odd this is
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that the thing I can imagine him getting
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it being his butt about and saying let's
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try and make it with no fans he'd like
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but Steve nobody wants that bit I said
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no fans like the original Macintosh by
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the way I had no fans in it right and
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like that's more difficult and it got a
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little bit too hot inside there and they
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eventually put fans in the max
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eventually they're like Steve we kind of
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really need to like fine all right fine
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put fan sent fine make the Rama seat
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really expandable to phyto kilobytes I'm
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you don't think you're ever gonna need
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it but anyway sometimes it's not great
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to listen to Steve Jobs but if they made
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a Mac prototype thing where the design
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goal was for no no no good reason to
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make it have no fans I think they could
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still make a good one it would be stupid
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it would be less flexible to having fans
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but it put it this way it would be
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better than trashcan you can make
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actually a pretty good conventional
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tower looking fanless thing that it has
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much more flexibility than the trashcan
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which is more of a condemnation that a
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trash can than endorsement for something
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the Apple could do it yeah but to do it
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it would have to be really big and
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really ugly things that Apple would
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never do not that big you should I'll
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send you a youtube link it's smaller
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than the regular is way smaller than my
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cheese grater it's pretty amazing the
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amazing things you can do we if you
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apply large amounts of metal in large
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amounts of surface area so tell me this
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is gonna come across really snarky and I
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don't mean it to but I do the same sort
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of thing that Marco does for a living
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and if you exclude gaming I do the same
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sort of thing that John does for a
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living I can do my job on a MacBook on a
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15-inch MacBook Pro on an iMac and I
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have done and will continue to do my job
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on any of those things there is no part
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of me that feels like I need or even
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really want a Mac Pro because presumably
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if the iMac Pro is something like five
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grand the Mac Pro is probably going to
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be one and a half that twice that three
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I I don't really understand why someone
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who writes code the kind of code that
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the three of us write anyway why does
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one need a MacPro
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unless you want it to last 40 years and
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for Marco you go through that you go
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through computers as quickly as you go
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through underwear so that's not a
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concern for you and I'll give you a
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cop-out which which I can't argue with
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and it's that I am the most impatient
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human alive and damn it I will wait as
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little time as possible for anything to
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happen on my computer and that is I
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don't personally think it's worth 5 or
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10 or whatever grand to to be that
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impatient but you know if you do that's
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fine that's that's your math that's your
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business that's fine but do you know
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what I mean like it seems kind of silly
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like why does any of the three of us
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need a MacPro
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why do you need a fancy BMW to drive
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yourself to work you could take a moped
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or you could walk walk would be a
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stretch moped would probably end up with
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me dead the right answer you're looking
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for the right answer you're looking for
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is with a Chevy Volt
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or just like the cheapest you know you
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could you could get by with like you
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know it's a little like you know the
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cheap cheap little two-door you know
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ikana box like why do you have a nice
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car why you know why you have a car that
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is fast as opposed to like you can still
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we're driving the same places right like
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this car analogy definitely has some
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legs looking at an article right now
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from 2013 that has the picture of a
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beautiful matte finish LFA here we go
01:12:43
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case you're back for a successor this is
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exactly the reason because we're car
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guys that's why that's why that though I
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don't buy that well I mean it isn't a
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perfect analogy because you know there
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are certain capabilities that you know
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higher-end computers offer you that you
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know that aren't necessarily always the
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case are always available on lower end
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ones yeah it's it's even more
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justifiable than right yeah exactly but
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it's you know it's it's almost kind of
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like saying like you know why like why
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get a pickup truck
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if you don't usually haul stuff you know
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but some people just like pickup trucks
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a lot and they're and that's you know
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they get pleasure out of that and
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like who cares right and maybe sometimes
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they do occasionally have to haul stuff
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and it wouldn't have fit in their Civic
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like buying more than you technically
01:13:27
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need is something to consider if you're
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you know outfitting a business with
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10000 pcs when you're an individual
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who's a computer enthusiast and you have
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a little bit of extra money and you can
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buy yourself a really nice computer
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there's nothing wrong with buying more
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computer than you need yes we do the
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same job in a lot of ways and by the way
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development is a very big and diverse
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field that many people have many
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different needs and as I was spouting
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off on Twitter earlier about I think the
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true developer computer is the MacBook
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Pro like the MacBook Pro is by far the
01:14:02
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more commonly used computer for
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developers than the Mac Pro the Mac Pro
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is much more commonly used by non
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developers for you know things like
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video farms and stuff like that like
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it's really not frequently used by
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software developers in my my knowledge
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and experience the MacBook Pro really is
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is that but you know I could do my job
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on a map a pro I have done my job on a
01:14:26
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MacBook Pro I spent years do my job
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groans it's fine I'm happier and I think
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I'm more productive and at least certain
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things are much faster using my cool new
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iMac pro before this I use an iMac which
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is basically a MacBook Pro that's
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stationary that was also really great
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for years and that was good enough but I
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can get a better one and I really you
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know in the same way that you really
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value having a nice fast car I really
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get a lot of pleasure out of having a
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nice fast Mac to do my work on we don't
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need any of these things in the in most
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senses we get them because you know some
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people really do need the extra
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horsepower we're like you know if I was
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actually encoding video all day and my
01:15:10
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encodes could be like four times faster
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than they could on a MacBook Pro or on
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an iMac I'm burgler iMac then yeah I
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think I could justifiably say you know
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this is worth it to my job because it's
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it's saving a vast amount of time
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throughout the day for me the game isn't
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that big between this and something a
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little more pedestrian but there is
01:15:29
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still a gain like every time I build and
01:15:32
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in Xcode like I'm doing this a lot
01:15:33
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throughout the day and it is faster on
01:15:35
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this than it was on my old iMac not by
01:15:37
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hours faster it's not our faster but
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it's seconds faster and I do that I do
01:15:41
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it a lot so it's better this this
01:15:44
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computer is able to do things basically
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anything I ask it to do in near silence
01:15:50
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I have yet to hear the fan spin up I was
01:15:53
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maxing out all ten cores the other day
01:15:55
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importing a big lightroom import and I
01:15:57
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didn't hear the fans at all the entire
01:15:59
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time I've encoded video I have encoded
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4k video didn't hear the fans at all
01:16:04
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it's wonderful and so none of us Orwell
01:16:07
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few of us actually quote need these
01:16:12
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machines but that's not to say this on a
01:16:15
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market for them just like nobody needs a
01:16:17
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car that can go zero to 60 in 2.5
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seconds but there's a whole lot of
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people who would sure like one I were
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going further to further away from
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trying to justify it although there are
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definitely justifications basically the
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same justification says anybody who uses
01:16:31
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a tool to do a job like Parker was
01:16:32
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saying you could edit video on a MacBook
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Air but you're gonna be miserable
01:16:35
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compared to if you had a bigger faster
01:16:37
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computer if you do it for the living so
01:16:39
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I mean anytime you do anything for a
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living you want like the best tools for
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it even if it's not a straight time as
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money thing so there is that
01:16:44
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justification but I think the more
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important thing in that the pitch I was
01:16:48
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trying to make in this old article from
01:16:49
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before they introduced the trash can was
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that it's important to the company to to
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reach for this particular star uh you
01:16:58
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know for to try to make the biggest best
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fastest most powerful whatever they're
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doing that with the phone every every
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year they try to make the best most
01:17:12
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powerful phone like the iPhone 10 like
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it's not kind of like we think this is a
01:17:18
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pretty good phone like it's kind of fast
01:17:20
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like it's the best fastest coolest thing
01:17:23
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they know how to make with all the best
01:17:25
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specs it's better than everything you
01:17:27
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know they're they're always reaching for
01:17:28
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the stars there and that's that's a good
01:17:29
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Sumer product but for the pro stuff it's
01:17:31
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you know the hella car analogy right
01:17:33
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you're not gonna make a lot of money
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from it you're not gonna sell a lot of
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them most people don't need one nobody
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needs one but having it exists not even
01:17:44
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buying it like please I'm I'm in
01:17:46
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karzai by honda chords right but just
01:17:49
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people knowing that it exists that that
01:17:52
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these cars are out there and that this
01:17:54
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is the company that makes them raises
01:17:56
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the prestige of that company and is
01:17:58
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interest interesting from a sort of
01:18:02
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human achievement perspective yes it's
01:18:03
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not the same as the space race but it's
01:18:05
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it's similar like it you did someone is
01:18:08
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out that you know Ferraris out there
01:18:09
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making Ferraris even if I never buy one
01:18:11
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certainly I don't need one and even if I
01:18:13
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never buy one I you know spend hours
01:18:16
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reading about them in magazines and
01:18:18
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looking at them and get excited when I
01:18:19
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see one and it changes my opinion of
01:18:23
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what cars can be and you know like it
01:18:26
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gives me a different view of Ferrari
01:18:28
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than if they just made SUVs and Apple
01:18:32
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I think should always continue to push
01:18:35
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up against this envelope regardless how
01:18:37
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many people buy it just because for the
01:18:39
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same reason I use the Viper and then in
01:18:42
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the thing because it was a direct quote
01:18:43
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from the magazine I've been reading
01:18:44
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where that you know the car guys wanted
01:18:45
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to make the Viper because it's it's cool
01:18:47
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essentially and they're into cars and
01:18:49
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the people who deal with the money like
01:18:50
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why would you ever make that it's a
01:18:52
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terrible idea it's not gonna make you
01:18:54
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money and it's stupid and no one's gonna
01:18:56
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buy one but that's that's bad decision
01:18:59
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making so I got your question Casey was
01:19:03
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why do you want to get a MacPro
01:19:04
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but I would take it even farther back
01:19:06
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and say why do you care if a MacPro
01:19:08
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exists if you're not gonna buy one and I
01:19:10
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I cared that for our existing they'll
01:19:12
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never going to get one and I care the
01:19:13
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Mac Pro exists even if I wasn't gonna
01:19:15
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buy one but I totally am probably and
01:19:19
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►
I want Apple to be reaching for the
01:19:24
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stars pushing the limits you know going
01:19:26
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farther and faster than they've ever
01:19:28
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gone before and I want them to keep
01:19:30
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pushing that because I think that an
01:19:32
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apple that does that is an apple that
01:19:35
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makes better products overall yeah I
01:19:37
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don't debate that Apple needs to reach
01:19:40
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for this it's just again like you
01:19:43
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neither of you has to answer to me and
01:19:45
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you know I'm not the boss of you and you
01:19:48
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can do it just because damn it I want to
01:19:50
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and that's a perfectly acceptable reason
01:19:53
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but I look at my what is it like two
01:19:55
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year old iMac right now and when I write
01:19:58
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code on this thing like
01:20:00
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►
the screen is beautiful with the
01:20:02
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exception a little bit of burnin the
01:20:03
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screen is beautiful it still two years
01:20:06
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on feels crazy fast like I don't feel
01:20:09
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like I'm waiting for more than a moment
01:20:11
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►
for anything when it comes to
01:20:13
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►
development not obviously if I'm doing
01:20:14
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►
transcodes or something like that that's
01:20:15
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a different discussion yeah Asian aliy
01:20:17
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the fans spin up but I'm I'm okay with
01:20:20
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that I know that makes me a monster but
01:20:22
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I'm okay with hearing a fan from time to
01:20:23
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time and I look at the iMac Pro and then
01:20:29
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I look at the Mac Pro and I feel like
01:20:31
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there are on paper anyway deeply
01:20:36
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diminishing returns for both I item to
01:20:38
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me it's like yeah okay if you're gonna
01:20:40
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use the car analogy like yes I spent a
01:20:43
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bit more to have a nicer experience when
01:20:47
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I Drive two miles to and from work each
01:20:48
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day a hundred percent and on the surface
01:20:52
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it's not really that different from what
01:20:54
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put either you guys are talking about
01:20:55
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but I feel like what work but a more apt
01:20:59
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analogy is like well why did you get the
01:21:03
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regular Ferrari instead of the hyper
01:21:05
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lightweight Ferrari
01:21:07
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you know like or it's such diminishing
01:21:10
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returns like why even bother or or maybe
01:21:13
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a more apt analogy would be you know a
01:21:15
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Hellcat will get you somewhere just as
01:21:18
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quick as a Ferrari will as long as there
01:21:20
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are no turns as long as there are no
01:21:21
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turns but I mean I guess it's analogies
01:21:23
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falling apart as well it's just it seems
01:21:25
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like it's it's way more money to get you
01:21:28
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not that much more speed that's true of
01:21:31
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you BMW - over my court over your record
01:21:34
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it's considerably more speed over
01:21:35
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brand-new Accord no it's not not
01:21:38
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proportional to the money that's always
01:21:39
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it's always diminishing returns and you
01:21:40
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get over the top it's always by the way
01:21:42
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if you're doing parallel tasks it
01:21:44
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actually is that much more speed yeah
01:21:47
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don't go like the practical
01:21:48
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justifications I want this whole I think
01:21:50
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a totally an impractical justification
01:21:53
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alone it would be worth it but there are
01:21:54
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in fact actual practical justification
01:21:56
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that's worth it just it's it's again
01:21:59
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like you don't have to answer me I'll
01:22:00
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let it go it's just it's really hard for
01:22:01
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me to understand why any human who lives
01:22:04
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►
in Xcode needs a MacPro like I can see
01:22:07
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►
final cut I could see Lightroom remark
01:22:09
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►
oh you brought up Lightroom earlier I
01:22:10
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can make I can make a pretty good
01:22:12
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►
argument that light
01:22:13
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►
could justify MacPro but for someone who
01:22:16
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lives and breathes Xcode or even even
01:22:19
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►
more like you know 90 year old
01:22:21
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►
programming languages like Perl I don't
01:22:24
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get why one would want a Mac Pro and and
01:22:27
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I'll let it go it's just it's don't um
01:22:29
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►
and Swift yeah you should be dying for a
01:22:32
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Mac Pro it's not that bad it's not the
01:22:35
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gaming angle that you mentioned before
01:22:36
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though actually is one of the more
01:22:39
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pratik ones because if you reel a lot of
01:22:40
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it if you really want a Mac like the
01:22:43
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your they force you to buy this gigantic
01:22:47
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be incredibly get the the good cheap you
01:22:51
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know I mean I Pro is a good deep you but
01:22:52
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presumably this one will have a better
01:22:54
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one and so if you really are stuck on a
01:22:56
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Mac and you really want to play games on
01:22:58
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it which you know people said why would
01:22:59
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you in the other one I just get a gaming
01:23:00
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PC blah blah like it's you know it's we
01:23:04
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►
are we are oddballs to understand that
01:23:06
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we have to explain the practical reasons
01:23:11
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why people want them like that's what
01:23:12
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all those pros are doing like if you do
01:23:14
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it for a living
01:23:15
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and it will make whatever you're doing
01:23:16
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twice as fast or twice as reliable at
01:23:18
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the same speed then that's the that's
01:23:22
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the reason to get them and it's the
01:23:24
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reason professionals by a professional
01:23:25
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►
stuff period like snap-on tools why do
01:23:27
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they cost so much more than craftsmen
01:23:28
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are they that much better no they're not
01:23:30
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that much better but they're better and
01:23:32
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if you all you do all day is turn a
01:23:33
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wrench get a good one well but on top of
01:23:37
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that they also had a ridiculous warranty
01:23:39
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do they not craftsmen used to be
01:23:41
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guaranteed for life guarantee forever
01:23:42
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before like Sears went into business or
01:23:44
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whatever that's true I don't I'll let it
01:23:47
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go but it's it's it's it's an odd thing
01:23:48
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to me again I am a hundred and fifty
01:23:50
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percent on board with Apple pursuing
01:23:52
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this I completely agree with you and
01:23:55
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again gaming is a pretty good reason
01:23:57
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because I friggin want to leave me alone
01:23:59
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Casey is a good reason which is what I'm
01:24:00
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mostly hearing Lightroom is good reason
01:24:02
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but if you're just living in Xcode or
01:24:04
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terminal or Visual Studio code or
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the hereos curtain is the much better
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one like the little skinnier one it's it
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anything out of it thus curtain is
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bulkier but substantially faster the
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problem is there's a reason why coffee
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really get a meaningful amount of coffee
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that needs a finer grind like a narrow
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why I decided after only like one or two
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tries that travel coffee setups are not
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for me so the only thing I can say is
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please try not to do this at all but if
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you're going to do it
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the hereo Skerton is the one to get and
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just found out that you like coffee how
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do you just find out that Marco likes
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his blood is coffee that's right anyway
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I just found out you like coffee would
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like to know more about your setup yeah
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alright so basically I'm a crazy coffee
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enthusiast if you think I care a lot
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about macbook keyboards you haven't seen
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me try to make or brew coffee I'm a home
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roaster i roast my own coffee on a hot
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top roaster I get the unroasted beans
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from sweet Maria's I tend to get kenya
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beans the vast majority is my favorite
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being sweet Maria's is the best resource
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I've ever seen
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for not only getting unroasted beans but
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getting roosters and learning how to use
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them so I suggest sweet Maria's calm
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they've been doing this for a very long
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time and they've been wonderful and if
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you're going to start out on a coffee
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roaster you can start with the cheap air
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popper or a the Dame or 1300 I think our
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1,600 yeah that's that's the one I had
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first it's decent the hot top is about
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three times the price but is three times
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better so it's up to you how you how you
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want to deal with that but coffee home
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roasting is something that nobody should
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really do but I do it because I care a
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lot about things that people don't care
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content with that so that being said
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when I'm out I mentioned last time I've
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been recently trying these these cool
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new sudden coffee instant coffee things
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like when I'm traveling or on an
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airplane or something
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it's Southern Coffee is surprisingly
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good I also in the meantime have been
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recommended to other ones
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voilá spelled like viola you-know-who
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coffee and Swift cup coffee both of
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which are also like kind of pricey
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high-end instant coffee packets both of
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them are good Swift cup I think might be
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my favorite of all three so far I have
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to try a little bit more of it but I'm
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very impressed by the Swift cup flavor
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but southern coffee is actually more
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practical because you can use the tube
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as a stirrer which is nice anyway at
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home when I'm using my home roasted
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beans I grind them with a Bharat's of
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virtuoso and I put them in a narrow
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press and I use a fairly imprecise
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inverted Aeropress method and I use a
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electric kettle to pour hot water into
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it that's about it that's my coffee
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setup I pour I press the coffee into a
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mug and then I drink it usually I'm
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making coffee for me and TIFF at the
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same time so I use two air presses in
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parallel one in each hand and it's
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totally fine I've tried pretty much
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every way I know of to brew coffee I had
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way I've tried French presses drip pots
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good drip hot bad drip pots butters
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right I have I have tried the butter
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that's terrible I have tried the what's
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the big expensive oh the clover machine
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I've tried the clover machine both at a
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real coffee shop and then later at
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Starbucks I've tried lots of different
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brew I've tried a vacuum brewer I have
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tried so many different ways to brew
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coffee and what it comes down to is the
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best way to brew one cup of coffee or
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two if you're going to operate two in
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parallel is that is the Aeropress the
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best way to prove more than that is the
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Hario v60 pour over cone into whatever
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vessel you feel like that's it all right
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Bryce minty would like to know you know
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I'm finally getting around to replacing
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that awful file set-top box at my house
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which TiVo are you using John and not
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sure if the $750 for a new bolt and
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lifetime service is really worth it
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kind of like apples laptops TiVo line is
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not in a great place right now because
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all of their newest machines are using
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this incredibly stupid bent box design
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like it looks like a regular set-top box
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would imagine you bent it like and not
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even in the middle so it makes this kind
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of like weird inverted V shape the bend
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is stupid and you can't stack stuff on
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half of it but worse than the bend much
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worse is the fact that the thing is very
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small and so they have a you know low
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diameter fan and if it has to spin very
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fast and makes a very annoying
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high-pitched noise so all of the bent
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box TiVo's are noisier than the much
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larger flat box TiVo's that they
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replaced which is a shame because the
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top end TiVo the top end bent box TiVo I
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have one that well actually not
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toughened that anymore now I have that
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Fox thing but I think it's basically
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same sort of voice control they are
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otherwise very good they are fast
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they're small the interface has not been
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entirely ruined by this new interface
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that they're trying to roll out I still
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haven't gotten the new interface but it
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looks pretty gross but the old one is
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good like it is a good product it is a
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good TiVo except for the fact that the
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box has been and it makes awesome noise
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if you can find a Romeo Pro which I also
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have one of it is not quite as fancy as
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the latest bent box ones but it's still
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plenty fast it is way bigger
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ridiculously bigger which is kind of a
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shame but it is quieter so there is no
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perfect TiVo to get I would say that if
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you have like an entertainment center or
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some place where you're not going to
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hear the fan or you don't care about fan
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noises or whatever then the stupid vent
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box top-of-the-line TiVo's are still
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pretty good t-bo's but if you care about
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the noise or want to save some money
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look into a romeo pro if you can find
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one because they are much more
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conventional and straightforward and
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flat and slightly quieter excellent
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and finally kg writes what kind of
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clipboard management apps are you using
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if any on your Mac
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I use Alfred as my both app launcher as
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well as you know kind of do everything
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machine and it includes some very basic
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clipboard like history and management
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and stuff like that that has been great
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it is exactly what I want and nothing
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more and that that has worked really
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well for me I did beta test pastebot
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which is by the same folks that do tweet
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BOTS and net bot r.i.p and that was
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really good but more powerful than what
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I personally wanted it can do things
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like you know filter or like you know
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modify what you've copied and and maybe
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if I spent the time I would end up
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deciding oh I actually really do like
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this but for my needs it was it was
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overkill for what I'm looking for from
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it Marco do you have any sort of
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clipboard management setup yeah I I
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actually really really love clipboard
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management like it I came fairly late to
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it like I think I was like most of the
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way through my job at tumblr before I
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started using a clipboard manager and I
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wish I had done it earlier once I got
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into it because you know programming and
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just general computer use there is a lot
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of opportunities to like stack up a
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couple things in the clipboard then
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paste them down somewhere like it's the
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kind of thing like having multiple
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clipboards or multiple levels to a
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stacked clipboard is really really nice
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in so many types of work on computers
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and it's one of the biggest things that
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I think it's kind of a shame that iOS
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not only doesn't have it but probably
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never will have it when you're working
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on iOS one of the biggest things I miss
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but I've tried a lot of them I think
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I've tried almost all of them started
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out on one called jump cut which was
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like just a clipboard manager it's open
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it was open source back forever ago I
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don't know where it is now and then I
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later moved on to launch bar and you
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know I've also you know back in the day
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I used Quicksilver as my like fast
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launcher than for awhile I just did
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spotlight as the launcher as they as an
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almost fast launcher and then launch bar
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kind of combines everything into one app
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for me it is a super fast launcher and
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also my favorite clipboard manager and I
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know like you know Alfred and there's a
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bunch of other ones out there now
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I'm sure they're all great just launch
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bar happens to be the one that meshed
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best with me and the way I like it to
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work and the way I like it to look and
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behave and everything else so I use
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launch bar for that and and kind of like
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what you said Casey I'm I'm a heavy but
01:35:48
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shallow user of it like yeah yeah yeah I
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use it constantly very I heavily use I
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use the crap out of it but I only scrape
01:35:57
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the surface of the available features I
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literally only use it to like launch
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apps find emoji to paste into things
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which is a fairly recent thing and use
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multiple clipboards that's it I don't do
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anything where you can like you know hit
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a different key and send it to another
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workflow or sent it to a script or
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capitalize it in this way like I don't
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do any of that it's only an app launcher
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and I click on a clipboard manager for
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me and that's how it's whatever it cost
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it's like 40 or 50 bucks whatever it
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cost it's totally worth it just for that
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because it is such an incredible part of
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my workflow doing pretty much everything
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because that clipboard manager it's so
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good that being said if you don't want
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to spend that much there are
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alternatives as I as you know as both of
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us said but I highly suggest whatever a
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clipboard manager you end up with if you
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don't use one try one if you do anything
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on a Mac ever try a clipboard manager
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because once you get into the habit it's
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like you know so I mean so much of
01:36:55
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modern work is copying and pasting stuff
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like from one place to another and it's
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so nice to people to like copy three
01:37:01
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things and then go to a go to the other
01:37:03
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app and paste one paste to paste three
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like to have tinnitus to go back and
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forth so much it's it's such a
01:37:10
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revolution and how you how you use your
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clipboard you will wonder how anything
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ever doesn't use like how anyone gets
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around not using a clipboard it's almost
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as big of a change as having a clipboard
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versus not having a clipboard like at
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the very first time you were like when
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you were we were all learning how to use
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computers that first time you discovered
01:37:29
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the clipboard and that you could copy
01:37:31
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and paste things like it like it's
01:37:33
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almost that big of a deal
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once you can have like a little history
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or a stack John so I use jump cut for
01:37:41
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years because I just wanted basic
01:37:43
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functionality and
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I use pay spot and I don't use much of
01:37:48
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the fancy functionality but it like jump
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cut was fine but pay spot it just has a
01:37:51
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little bit more polish you know like all
01:37:53
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the all the Bott things is just nicer so
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I'm gladly paid for it to have a Polish
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and hopefully more well supported think
01:37:59
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of this Marco covered most of the
01:38:01
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benefits of of a clipboard manager let
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me tell you about a couple of the
01:38:06
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dangers one danger as Marco pointed out
01:38:09
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is that it will change your mental model
01:38:12
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of how computers work and I've done this
01:38:14
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a couple of times where I've been on
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someone else's computer even even just
01:38:17
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like I'm on my wife's computer and one
01:38:19
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of my kids accounts where they don't run
01:38:20
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a clipboard manager like it's the same
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computer but they don't have been don't
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run pay spot or whatever and I will be
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doing stuff in the computer and I will
01:38:30
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not realize way too late that I just
01:38:33
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thought I was queuing up three things in
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the clipboard and in reality I was just
01:38:36
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overriding and the all the things except
01:38:41
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for the most recent one don't exist
01:38:43
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anywhere else like I will I will like
01:38:45
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copy something out of a document close
01:38:47
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the document without saving it go to
01:38:49
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another document copy something out
01:38:50
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close without saving it and like and
01:38:51
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then you know copy another thing and
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then go to the destination expecting to
01:38:54
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paste in all three of those things and
01:38:55
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guess what two of them are gone like
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gone gone like as in data loss gone as
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in I didn't write them down anywhere and
01:39:01
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they're gone why because my mental model
01:39:03
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is that copy and paste is like a cue and
01:39:05
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it's not it's just one place and that
01:39:07
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makes me sad the other thing is some of
01:39:09
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these clipboard managers have a way to
01:39:11
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synchronize your clippings either like
01:39:13
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through iCloud or across other machines
01:39:15
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or whatever and applications also have a
01:39:20
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way to blacklist something and those two
01:39:22
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features should make a tickle in your
01:39:24
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mind because one of the things that I
01:39:27
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think they put in a blacklist by default
01:39:28
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is like keychain access or one password
01:39:30
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yeah if you copy and paste the password
01:39:33
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and have any kind of cloud
01:39:35
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synchronization on and don't have that
01:39:37
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app blacklisted guess what you just
01:39:38
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spread your unencrypted password to our
01:39:40
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possibly encrypted either way you just
01:39:42
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spread your password through cloud
01:39:43
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storage and possibly to other computers
01:39:45
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that you may or may not control so be
01:39:48
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careful with your clipboard manager they
01:39:50
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the good ones have tools for you to not
01:39:52
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have that happen you have to use those
01:39:54
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tools which is kind of the reason I can
01:39:56
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imagine why Apple doesn't build this in
01:39:58
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right like what does an apple just build
01:39:59
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in multiple clipboards they put a clock
01:40:01
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in the menu bar after all that's a
01:40:03
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pretty old reference there but they're
01:40:06
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done so many things since then there are
01:40:08
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dangerous to this and I'm not sure which
01:40:11
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is the worse the these the possible
01:40:12
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security danger or the fact that you get
01:40:14
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so used to it that trying to use a
01:40:16
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computer without it the computer feels
01:40:18
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broken yeah those are bad reasons I'm
01:40:23
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not saying that's the reason you
01:40:24
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shouldn't use it like I will I will use
01:40:25
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it forever like I have to use it like I
01:40:27
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can't go back yeah right exactly but but
01:40:30
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just keep in mind that once you get on
01:40:32
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board this train which you should get on
01:40:34
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board and it's good keep those other
01:40:35
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things in mind when you're using a
01:40:37
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foreign computer keep in mind that the
01:40:39
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clipboard is no longer Q and just
01:40:41
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disable the synchronization thing if you
01:40:43
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►
don't wanna use it like that's the
01:40:43
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easiest solution to that like do you
01:40:45
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really care that your clipboard is
01:40:46
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synchronized across whatever if you
01:40:47
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don't just turn that stuff off I have
01:40:49
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never used any kind of syncing like that
01:40:51
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I like that that to me sounds like a
01:40:53
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recipe for pain with iOS in the Mac now
01:40:58
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right yeah and it works like 70 percent
01:41:01
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of the time yeah I know actually works
01:41:04
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at your past one won't actually sync
01:41:05
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across or you hit paste on the other
01:41:08
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device and it just blocks for like eight
01:41:10
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seconds well it tries to figure out what
01:41:12
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the heck it should be pasting delightful
01:41:15
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huh between that and drag-and-drop it's
01:41:17
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like man everything on iOS has made
01:41:19
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slower by progress yeah oh no think the
01:41:23
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configure is that most of these
01:41:24
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clipboard history apps have a way for
01:41:26
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you to limit the size of things if you
01:41:28
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like me occasionally find yourself
01:41:30
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copying and pasting 500 megabytes of
01:41:31
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text from your awesome text editor you
01:41:34
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don't really don't want your clipboard
01:41:37
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manager to be like oh let me hold on to
01:41:38
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that 500 Meg's for you
01:41:40
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that's so that most don't have a
01:41:41
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threshold to say look if it's bigger
01:41:43
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than 50 Meg's just let that one just let
01:41:45
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that one slide I'm not gonna be I don't
01:41:47
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want to paste that an hour from now
01:41:48
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alright thanks to our sponsors this week
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and molecule and we'll see you next week
01:41:57
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now the show is over they didn't even
01:42:00
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mean to begin as it was accidental oh it
01:42:05
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was accidental
01:42:08
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johnny research Margo and Casey wouldn't
01:42:12
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let him because it was accidental he was
01:42:16
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accidental you can find the CAS pyl is
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Esther that's Casey Liz and a RC o AR m
01:42:37
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auntie Marco Arment
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SI r AC Syracuse
01:42:55
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I was like no but more things I've been
01:42:59
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looking at in YouTube I'm looking at
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YouTube videos I had I find some video
01:43:06
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that was talking about straight cut
01:43:07
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gears and race transmissions and why
01:43:09
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they're better I was so frustrated at
01:43:11
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the video not explaining to me why the
01:43:12
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adequately explained to me why they're
01:43:14
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better that I was just like googling for
01:43:15
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like race transmission straight cut
01:43:17
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gears on you to I'm like what does
01:43:19
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YouTube think of what I ended up here
01:43:21
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but then I ended up in on this rat hole
01:43:23
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of like explainer Technology explainer
01:43:26
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videos and I found a lot of them very
01:43:28
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frustrating like popular videos that are
01:43:32
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very poor quality like you you start
01:43:34
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going into the the dark corner of
01:43:36
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YouTube is the completely incorrect
01:43:39
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bogus how planes fly videos right it's
01:43:43
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kind of like I feel like that you know
01:43:44
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►
the the conspiracy theories about how
01:43:45
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the earth is flat and stuff and like
01:43:47
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kids are finding them like kids don't
01:43:48
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watch this video that's not how planes
01:43:49
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fly and there are videos out there
01:43:53
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explaining why all the other videos
01:43:54
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telling you how planes fly are wrong but
01:43:56
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I don't they're not as high in the
01:43:57
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search results as the bogus one it's
01:43:59
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very upsetting anyway but that's like
01:44:03
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both a fun corner of YouTube technology
01:44:05
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explainer videos but also just filled
01:44:08
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with garbage like really bad low res
01:44:10
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computer animations that they probably
01:44:12
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didn't make with like a computer voice
01:44:13
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talking over it like like the old fred
01:44:16
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voice not like siri but like the old
01:44:18
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fred voice talking over it like they
01:44:19
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couldn't even get a human i guess these
01:44:21
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might be machine generated i don't know
01:44:23
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or from like yeah i I don't understand
01:44:27
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it I don't understand who's watching
01:44:28
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them but they they seem to have like
01:44:30
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they come up high in the search results
01:44:32
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I wish I it was like it's like both them
01:44:34
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down and say hide this and never let
01:44:36
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another human see it because it's bad
01:44:38
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but they're good wants to remember the
01:44:39
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classic good one is like you've I think
01:44:41
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we've all seen this that one from the
01:44:42
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50s or 60s explaining how like a
01:44:45
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transmission works or that was I forget
01:44:48
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was explained it was like from GM or
01:44:49
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something and it's like that black and
01:44:50
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white it's kind of like filmstrip from
01:44:53
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school and in the 60s but it was the
01:44:56
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first thing that I ever saw that
01:44:57
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explained to me how
01:45:00
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like a traditional gear differential
01:45:02
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works despite having like assembled and
01:45:05
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used many of them on a remote-control
01:45:06
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cars it never quite clicks in my brains
01:45:08
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like yeah but how did this work and this
01:45:10
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one did it from like first principles
01:45:12
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with like to tinker toys I'm like oh now
01:45:14
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I get it and it finally all came
01:45:16
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together like this is our every
01:45:17
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engineering explainer but I gotta go
01:45:19
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find that one
01:45:19
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find that one
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you just starting him out Casey huh
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carries he's rebooting he said it
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momentarily I mean that was a few
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you know I mixed a reboot it takes a
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while not that long
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not on my shiny new macro mm-hmm all
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sorry rebooting your slow computer I'm
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gonna be like that it's faster than
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John's that's probably true at the
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reboot already running my reboot is for
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system updates I didn't have to I just
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had this sneaking suspicion that I
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needed to the king I have empathy for
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the Machine John you've got that reboot
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feeling my god
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that's a I was Top Gun wasn't it
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that's not where that song is from but
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yes that movie did feature that song
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take me home or lose me forever John
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siracusa you know uh fun fact
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deysa thunder was the better movie
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between the two of them because of the
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same movie I'm pretty sure they're not
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Days of Thunder was the better one why
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why do you think that because well a
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everyone is going to tell me I'm wrong
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and they're probably right but I don't
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care because planes are not as fun as
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cars what I figured you know you had
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some no no reasonable foundation for
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your opinion but no no that's not now
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let's talk about vinyl after this
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high-definition vinyl yes I love I love
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that story so much like they're like if
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only there were some other you know
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round music medium that was longer than
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a vinyl record and could allow for more
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precise audio right yeah so I read it I
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thought it was gonna be like a high
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definition vinyl but instead it seemed
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like it was just a way to more precisely
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make vinyl but everything else about it
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was the same like it wasn't higher
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definition it was like if we can really
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carefully carve grooves in vinyl like
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more carefully than usual it's like
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alright I guess I mean sure like it's
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I don't understand like I thought I was
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gonna be like a higher density or I was
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gonna do like it was gonna I was kind of
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imagining that it would make little pits
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for like ones and zeros like it would be
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like final but CDs on vinyl you know I
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mean there's lots of things you could do
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to make high to actual high definition
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vinyl but instead they're just more
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carving grooves in vinyl yeah I've got
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I've got I've been sent that a couple
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times already I guess things like you
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know as somebody who has now seen you
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know all the sides of this like the
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appeal of vinyl has nothing to do with
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its sound quality or fidelity or dynamic
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range or any the things they're
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proposing to to increase like it if you
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want those things you shouldn't be using
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vinyl at all we're using digital sources
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this is this is just crazy to me anyway
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we should start with follow up iOS
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eleven point three has a new battery
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throttling notification which we were
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made aware of sometime in the last week
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Stephen Devine was the first that I
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noticed to send us an image it reads as
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follows this iPhone has experienced an
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unexpected shutdown because the battery
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was unable to deliver the necessary peak
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power performance management has been
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applied to help prevent this from
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happening again like a passive voice
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performance management has been applied
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who applied it what happened experienced
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shutdown it experienced it well that is
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kind of true we did yeah the phone did
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experience didn't blame you
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there's no actor in that situation the
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phone did experience something you shut
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down your iPhone because of a problem
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no I this I you know I'm very happy that
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they are notifying the user when battery
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throttling happens that in a big picture
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wise that's good they they should have
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been doing this all along and that would
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have made the problem a lot less severe
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I don't think the wording they've chosen
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here is particularly helpful or even
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honest you know performance management
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has been applied I don't think a lot of
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people are going to correctly know that
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that means your phone will now be slowed
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down like that that's a pretty big
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difference then performance management
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has been applied that is a like you know
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dark pattern euphemism that is
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intentionally written to mask the truth
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to mate to confuse and kind of hide
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what's actually going on in this huge
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paragraph that they know most people are
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not going to read and if they do you
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read it they're good they're not really
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going to understand what it's really
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doing I wish that we've been a little
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more clear in the language but at least
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they're under firing people it I just
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wish they around if I
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in a more honest way they don't offer
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any remedies like the dialogue should
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say okay like here's what happened and
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what is there anything I can do about it
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actually in this case there is the way
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you can do about is get a new battery
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for your phone right all right offer
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something like it's not even as far as I
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can tell it's not even a place like a
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you know tap here for more information
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like if a user is interested enough in
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this very confusing vague goodbye he
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could mean a lot of different things and
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you I want to know more Gaz it sounds
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like something bad might have happened
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to my phone presumably they knew
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something bad happened to the phones
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they were using it two seconds ago and
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then the screen went black and had to
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wait for it to reboot right so if that
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happened to me and then my phone came
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back and it said this I would be like
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what what can I do about that
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and Apple has answers there are easy
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answers hey go get a new battery but
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they don't offer that in this dialogue
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anyway yeah they could be a little more
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video they can say like your battery
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cannot can no longer run the phone at
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full speed like that it is more direct
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that is telling them like your phone
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won't be slow it's the batteries fault
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it's something that you can therefore
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you know have some control over you need
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to replace the battery like that you
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know using language that is more honest
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and accountable I think would do a lot
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of good here the whole point of this
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notification is to fix the problem they
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had before which is they were slowing
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down people's phones without telling
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them this kind of sort of fixes that but
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if the people don't really know what's
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going on and they later find out oh my
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phone has been slowed down by Apple you
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know because of this thing I don't think
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they're gonna feel better
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necessarily than they would if they
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weren't told at all because if this is
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all they saw and they didn't really
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understand what was going on then they
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effectively weren't told about so it
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doesn't really solve the problem I'm
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glad that they have a notification I
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think you nailed it Marco that you know
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it may not be perfect there's certainly
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you know issues that we can and just
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have taken with it but I do think that
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telling the user what the hell is going
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on is a good first step in and I welcome
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this improvement yeah but you need to
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subtract some of the California from
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this dialog and apply a little bit of
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East Coast to it good friggin luck my
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friend I agree with you but good luck it
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mean how can how can you expect people
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who don't live in the real world to
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communicate with people who live in
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wordid by Apple in California oh well
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done all right moving on Mac OS this is
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actually breaking news and I mean that
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genuinely this is just breaking in the
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last like hour or two so we're recording
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this in the evening of April 11th on
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Wednesday night and apparently a few
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people are reporting all at the same
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moment that Mac OS ten point thirteen
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point four is now going to warn users
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about 32-bit apps this is a quote from
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Jason Snell Apple's long transition away
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from 32-bit software takes another step
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beginning April 12 when the clock
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strikes switching our local time Mac's
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running Mac OS ten point thirteen point
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four will display a warning the first
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time any non apple app that isn't 64-bit
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compliant is opened interesting I mean
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this isn't that surprising they're
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clearly you know like they have not been
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that secretive that like 32-bit support
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is on its way out this is it's just like
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what they did in iOS when iOS 11 I
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believe was the one that dropped right I
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think so yeah and so like for iOS 10
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like ten point for whatever temp with
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you whatever the last version of ten was
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they started showing this alert then
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began you know the over iOS apps and
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they added a little section in settings
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where you could see which of your apps
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was 32-bit and so that's that's nice you
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can do this I think it's gonna be more
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disruptive on the Mac like you like we
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mentioned briefly last week but you know
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telling telling users what's about to
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happen before it happens in you know six
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months to a year or whenever it would be
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is certainly a good thing this dialogue
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I think is better worded this one
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actually tells you what's what the
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problem is I don't know I've always
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found these apps like when when the one
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happened on ten point whatever nobody I
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knew who was who didn't already know
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where the dialogue is about guess
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correctly from a thing and I don't know
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how they should have worked because
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people don't care about 32 or 64 but but
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what it actually says is though it's a
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two line dialogue guys got the bold line
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and then the longer non bold sentence
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underneath it says whatever the
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application name is not optimized for
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your Mac now yeah this actually is a
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terrible dialogue now about now is not
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optimized for your Mac that's not really
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true like I know what they're trying to
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get at but but it makes it seem like the
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same app that
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running fine yesterday now somehow like
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because people read optimized and think
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it means slower or something and right
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it's the same speed as it was yesterday
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right and then the other part says this
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app needs to be updated by its developer
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to improve compatibility that's that's
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closer to true because yeah but what the
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remedy is developer of the app needs to
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do something like you user can't do
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anything about this the developer needs
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to do it and why isn't it to be updated
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to improve compatibility compatible what
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compatibility with an OS that Apple is
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going to release sometime in the semi
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near future that's what they don't say
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that that's what it's about so it's
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tough to word this one I kind of get
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that but that's actually really bad so
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like you know so not your are not
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optimized means it might be slow which
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is very different from it's going to
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stop working in six months if you update
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your your Mac OS and when the iOS dialog
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came out if I remember correctly I think
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it's a summons of that it won't work in
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future versions of iOS or in a future
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version of iOS but this like to improve
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compatibility that's pretty euphemistic
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too that's like you know what they
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should say is this appease me related by
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its developer to work on a future
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version of Mac OS something like that
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that's even a little more vague about
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the timeline but just to say like you
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know improve compatibility doesn't mean
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anything not optimized means that are
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run slowly the truth here is this is
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going to stop working completely soon
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and the iOS 11 dialogue said app name
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needs to be updated which i think is
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better than app name he's not optimizing
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she's now optimized where it needs to be
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updated it's much more clear and then
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the the subtext was the developer of
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this app needs to update to work with
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iOS 11 so not only was it clear that's
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pretty nice to be updated so it will
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work we're like a future OS but it tells
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you the name iOS 11 so yeah the iowa's
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dialogue was definitely better yeah that
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oh wait before we move on so the so that
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dialogue has buttons it has an OK button
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which is just like ok whatever nothing
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your app will launch them by the way
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like it doesn't stop your app from
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launching it just shows this the first
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time you launch it maybe you say ok just
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launches and it's just like it was the
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day before the style I hear there's a
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learn more button and learn more button
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takes you to Apple's
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►
knowledgebase article about this which
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is pretty good and it explains you know
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what's going on in more detail than the
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dialogue obviously which by the way this
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you know the iOS thing lacks this it
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doesn't there's no place to get more
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information as far as I can tell it and
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I should try it I try to get that to
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►
come up and tap it or something anyway
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►
the part that stuck out to me in this
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►
knowledgebase article is when it gets to
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the point where like explains to you
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like you can't do anything about this
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developer needs updated this is why I
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blah blah near the end there's a section
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that says how do I get in touch with the
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app developer which i think is a good
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so you telling me you know people see
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this out log and I say the developer
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needs to update and they're like
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developer like I don't do I even know
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►
what that is let alone who it is how
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would I find the developer of this app
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and if I was a tasked with writing this
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I would find myself writing like seven
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paragraphs about like well so sometimes
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it's not an individual sometimes it's a
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company sometimes the company that used
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to make the application is gone you know
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like how would you find the person maybe
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they've moved on maybe they don't have
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that job anymore maybe no one is
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►
maintaining this software you know
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there's no 100% sure way to find the
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person who wrote this but like of course
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they can't do that like they're not
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gonna go on for 20 pages so they have a
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very short bit of information that like
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I don't know I can't think of much
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better but this seems bad to me the
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easiest way to contact a developer is to
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look them up on the web to find the name
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of the developer of an app open the app
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click the app name and the menu bar and
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choose about so they're saying to the
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about that is two sentences right first
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one says look them up on the web what if
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the developer is John Smith look them up
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on the web the about box maybe it will
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►
have link to their website but maybe you
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will just have a name or maybe it'll
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►
just say my cool software company
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incorporated you know 2010 right it's
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that's really just throwing people into
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the deep end I don't know do Google
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search they figure it out maybe you'll
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find somebody this is gonna cause people
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with the same name as a 32-bit app
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developers to get a lot of bad email my
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favorite part of this entire page is the
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very first sentence in the body text
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state of the art technology is what
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makes a Mac a Mac that was written years
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ago though has been updated as
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knowledgebase article yeah I was gonna
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say like look at the Mac's that are for
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►
sale today and tell me which of them
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►
have state of the art technology
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all of the maksud are for sale not just
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the most recent models let's see does
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the MacBook Air have state of the art
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technology how about the Mac Mini it is
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►
still a product in their lineup we are
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►
sponsored this week by molecule a
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complete reinvention of the home air
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►
purifier this is not just an improvement
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►
on existing outdated technology like say
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HEPA filters which you might have heard
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of molecule is a breakthrough science
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that actually is finally capable of
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destroying air pollutants at a molecular
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level and this includes not only you
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know mold allergens even bacteria and
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viruses which I found kind of amazing
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this sounded to me when I first heard
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about it sounded really out there and
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kind of too good to be true but it's
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actually been extensively tested and
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verified by third parties and it was
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even backed and funded by the EPA this
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is the real deal and they sent me one it
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is pretty nice I got to say it's yeah I
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can't say whether it's like fixed my
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allergies yet because I've only had it
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for about a week but I'll tell you one
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thing this is the time to try it because
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I think the pollen season is about to
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kick in in full force over the next
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couple of weeks so I'm really glad I
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have this right now and molecule has
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actually been personally effective and
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verified by science but most importantly
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it's been tested by real people it has
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already helped allergy and asthma
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sufferers around the country better cope
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with their conditions and significantly
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reduce their symptoms one of their
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customers even told them she was able to
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breathe through her nose for the first
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time in 15 years I totally understand
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how you can get there and this thing I
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got to say it's really nice it's pretty
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big at the higher speeds it's a little
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loud but the lower speeds is actually
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thinking about buying a couple more for
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the rest of the house so far I like it a
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lot I'm really very impressed by it it
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it leaves the room smelling like nothing
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some scent it's really quite nice I
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our show Shawn Harding writes hey I had
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one of those Pro clip mounts that went
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into a gap in the dash for my Audi s5 it
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not only went in the gap but also had
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adhesive I was hesitant but gave in and
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I lost my desktop hello sorry things are
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happening on my computer where the fuck
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did that go while you were reading did
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the window disappear out from under your
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eyeballs well because I was opening a
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new window in before this all before I
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started reading all this and then it
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opened and then things disappear your
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computer is slow Oh would you stop
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you're opening a window then you had
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time to read two sentences then the
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window finally opened I was opening up
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in the nCWIT window leave me alone now
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let me reboot this whole fuckin thing
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what are using VNC for what are you
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remotely controlling I'm remotely
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controlling the laptop that's sitting
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like 2 2 inches away from me because I
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am trying to to look at something for
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work real quick so I don't have to worry
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are you doing air traffic control during
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this podcast what's going on are you
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trying to land planes with us we are
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talking with the Mac Pro yet you can't
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we be paying your bills and stuff yeah I
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know I know I know I'm we're getting
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there right so let me just reboot this
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whole damn thing
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Sean holding lights I'm rebooting
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nothing not literally repeating no just
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segments he's trying to keep that out of
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the show but I'm pretty sure he's going
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in no it's not going on please now Sean
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Harding writes I had one of those Pro
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clip mounts that went in the gap in the
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day it went into a gap in the dash for
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my Audi s5 and not only one in the gap
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but it also had adhesive I was hesitant
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but gave in and now I have a big gap in
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the trim and adhesive residue two thumbs
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down so the pro clip mounts that I was
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talking about last week if I go in your
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car like they're made for each
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individual car model certain you know
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the design of certain dashboards and
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stuff like the you know certain ones are
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gonna be easier or harder to fix
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something very securely to than others I
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lucked out in that mine just uses the
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air vent and just kind of uses like a
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pressure fit inside the air vent top and
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bottom so that it doesn't leave anything
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behind and there's no like permanent -
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damage should buy it but if your car is
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one where it has to do something a
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little more aggressive then you know
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to to have that be a problem for you you
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know I just it isn't a problem for me
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also its Elise maybe you don't want to
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mess with the - because who knows what
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they'll say about that when you try to
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give it back the thing about the vent
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ones that some people wrote in about is
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they're like oh isn't it bad to keep
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your phone there like in the winter with
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heat blowing out of the vent on it and I
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just assumed that every car has like
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that little dial or whatever that lets
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you turn off the vent and I would
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suggest that if you in the winter if you
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have your phone an event clip turn the
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vent behind the phone off so heat isn't
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constantly belong in the back of your
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phones that's terrible and the summer
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air conditioning blowing the back that's
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probably great because it gets pretty
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heat hot in the car with the Sun beating
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down on your phone so that'll probably
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even out but if you have no dial because
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your car as a weird super modern thing
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where there's no way to control the air
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vents except for a tiny dot in the
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middle of a giant field that you drag
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around as a vague way to suggest in the
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car where there might come out yeah that
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sounds pretty cool to be honest I
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haven't seen it yet but it sounds pretty
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yours doesn't have that I thought that
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was on although it's only the mile three
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which I haven't seen in real life yet
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but I was like if you just want to turn
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off the vent that your phone is attached
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true though I'm not sure how you can do
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that by dragging a puck around a little
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ice hockey rink
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I actually no I don't think I can turn
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off event like they have a little like
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slider things you can redirect it but
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there's no I don't think I can turn that
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vent off I don't have the little dial no
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but but this isn't a problem in reality
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because automatic climate control never
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has the heat blowing out of the center
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vents it's always blown in the feet vent
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the defroster vent or both but it's
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never blowing out the front vents that's
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not how you're supposed to heat a car
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why wouldn't you want out of the front
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vents because you don't need heat
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blowing in your face you look at your
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feet sometimes my face is cold I'll tell
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you where I want the air I I would not
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consider this a big problem in reality
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for almost anybody because the way
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you're supposed to be climate managing
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your car you shouldn't really be blowing
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a lot of hot air through the front fence
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anyway and also if you're using your
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phone in a doc and running like waged
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something it's already running so hot
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that you know it actually might improve
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the heat efficiency of your car to be
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blowing it across your phone on the way
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to your face okay because because the
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phone is you know 150 degrees but the
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air coming out of the vent 275 so it's
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actually cool
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exactly all right with regard to my
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beloved blue towel speaking of car
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related things indeed five rights at the
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surgical rag that I use is called a huck
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h uck it's a sterile towel used to dry
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hands after a surgical scrub before
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operating and apparently he has a
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million of them and then Eugene fries in
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writes in that they're actually
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available on Amazon so I'll put a link
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in the show notes I was not aware of
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this which is super good news because I
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kind of need some we also got some
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feedback about whether or not it's
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plastic ventilating onto the interior of
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your windshield John do you have any
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thoughts on that or do you not care yeah
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no it's true I'm guessing from them you
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know that new car smell and various
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other things that you smell in cars of
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outgassing from carpets and from plastic
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and a lot of that crap gets all over
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your windshield and makes it gross fun
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finally our almost finally actually car
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subscriptions Zach a friend of mine
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asked why not have like a lyft
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subscription you know like insurance the
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light users would subsidize the heavy
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ones that sounded like a brilliant idea
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and then fast-forward like three days
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after I heard this feedback from my
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buddy Zach and I somehow saw an article
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or a headline or something like that
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about how lyft actually is or will soon
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be offering subscriptions which I didn't
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know was the thing this is the kind of
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thing that like it's it's nice in a lot
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of situations and it might even it might
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even prove to be nice in the majority of
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situations for some people but the the
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great flexibility of having your own car
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parked in your driveway or in your
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garage or nearer in front of your place
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is that it's always there ready for you
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it's it's dedicated capacity just for
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you if you're relying on not public
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transit but if you're lying on like
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services like lyft or uber or other like
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kind of car share services there's only
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a certain number of cars out there in a
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given time and they're only in a certain
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number of places and they're there a lot
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you know less densely available once you
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get out of the major cities when you
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have your own car it's always there
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ready for you no matter when you want to
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use it with zero weight or close enough
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to zero weight when you're relying on
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something like this it might work nine
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times out of ten but then the tenth time
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you go to use it oh there aren't any for
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the next 45 minutes or it's a spike
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because of demand or the nearest one is
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no too far away and doesn't want to take
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your ride or you keep getting the same
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one over and over again that's some
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driver that's terrible that you don't
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want that you know their car smells like
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smoke and cats and stuff and it's like
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when it's yours when it's your car it is
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always there ready to go and so
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depending on how important that car and
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the mobility are to you anything for
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most people in most of America it's very
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important because the public
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infrastructure just isn't there for most
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of us having that car be dedicated to
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you having your own that's always ready
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to go that's always right there that's
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always yours and you can put your stuff
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in it and you can you can know that's
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always gonna be there and be ready
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that's gonna have a pretty big advantage
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for a lot of people so I don't see
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service it I don't see personal car
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ownership of some form going away like
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lyft and uber that's not that that's
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something else the subscription is just
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another way to have cars that are yours
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so that I think makes some sense maybe
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in the future but it's never going to be
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totally replaced in America unless our
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density radically changes which I don't
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see happening this is a psychological
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pricing ploy like for for city dwellers
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who are never gonna own the car because
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they can't afford a parking spot for it
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or whatever you use lift all the time
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anyway you can convince enough of them
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to subscribe essentially paying more
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like like Zak said most people will say
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oh it's just easier to pay a
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subscription and not have to worry about
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the hassle of you know paying each time
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and everything and maybe that'll make me
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feel like oh I'll use it more I have a
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subscription I'll use it more right
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and maybe they won't use it more you
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know and so this will end up making more
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money from the people who thought they
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were gonna really totally use that
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description all the time but actually
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take the same number of rides as they
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always did it ends up being a bad deal
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for them but the few heavy users get a
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really good deal because now they can
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just ride as much as they want for a
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flat fee so lyft will figure out the
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economics of it I'm sure and try to but
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that it's the type of pricing psychology
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that can make everybody involved feel
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like they're getting a good deal even
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though obviously you know they're not
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right so lyft would be happy if they
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make more money and the users would be
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happy if they perceive the the
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subscription as a good value regardless
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whether it's actually a good value
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finally somebody and I don't have the
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scene out in front of me somebody was
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very grumpy about the fact that we
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called San Jose not very big and John
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did you put this in here would you like
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to happen that happened last year too
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and we were talking about San Jose we
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got so much feedback about I forget we
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ever even did fall about it but we
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should and because I've totally forgot
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about the fallout from last year already
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we're like Oh San Jose like nobody's
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there it's empty it's not like Samer so
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it's not a big city like San Francisco
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and any time we said anything like that
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someone from San Jose or near San Jose
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right st. to tell us mean well you know
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San Jose is bigger than ther an cisco
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has a bigger population in San Francisco
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you know all the things about how San
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Jose it's just massive compared to
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everything that we be you know we're
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saying it's small but it's not right and
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to that I would say Texas has more
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people than San Jose but if I drop a pin
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anywhere in Texas chances are good I'm
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gonna look around not see that much all
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about density San Jose is bigger San
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Jose has more people but practically
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speaking if you are a person you could
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drop down and WWC and you look around
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you'd be like where all the people as a
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tumble beat tumbleweed goes by right
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like it is very different experience
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from the vastly higher density of where
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Moscone is San Francisco so that's what
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we meant we know it's a big city we know
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there's lots of people somewhere also I
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was interested
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not a single person refuted my Truman
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Show theory about everybody who works
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there but they're just writing your name
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down a little book of a little you know
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you're bringing this up you're just you
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could have just moved on you should
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summarize the Mac Pro news that's what
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you should do yeah chief summarizer in
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chief I'm going to attempt to so friend
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of the show and said with no sarcasm
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friend of the show Matthew piensa Reno
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was invited by himself which is actually
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kind of interesting in and of itself I
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don't know if we need to unpack that
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right now or not but Matt Pan's Reno was
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invited to Apple and was put in front of
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several different both executives and
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engineers and
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to talk about hey what's going on with
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Mac Pro and my summary which I'm sure
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both of you will take issue with and
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that's fine but my summary is Apple
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wanted to give a little more insight
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into what's going on with the Mac Pro
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you could we can and surely we'll
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pontificate about why that is but one
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can assume and I think I actually said
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that hey we don't want you to make
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purchasing decisions on the hope that
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the Mac Pro is coming out later this
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year so they made it plain that it will
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not be out until 2019
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they said 2019 but we don't know when in
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they said that and this was what I found
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most interesting they've created a
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workflow group as I believe what they
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called it and what that basically means
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is they have contracted and/or hired
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creative professionals to sit literally
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next to the people who work on say Final
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Cut Pro and work on the Mac Pro as well
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in order to better understand what their
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workflows are and they cited an example
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and I think it was Final Cut Pro it
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doesn't really matter but they said in
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an example of oh these creative
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professionals there's they open this one
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dialogue and Final Cut Pro all the time
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and it takes like 10 seconds to open
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this dialogue and nobody at Apple
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somehow knew this and so because they're
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now sitting next to each other you know
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the the creative professionals walk down
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the hall and said hey guys can we do
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something about this dialogue because
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and sure enough it turned out there was
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like an error in some driver somewhere
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or something like that and they were
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able to fix it so the point of all this
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is Apple is trying to engage with the
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broader professional community people
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like us in say hey you know you need to
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buy an iMac Pro go buy an iMac Pro we
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don't wait for the Mac Pro because
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you're not getting it for a while
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additionally they're they're engaging
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with with the broader professional
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community in the sense that they've
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asked some of these people to come in
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house and help them understand what
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their workflows are which III think you
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can argue both that that's great and
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that's terrible and I'm sure we're about
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to do exactly that
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but one way or another it is it is more
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insight than we've had into the Mac Pro
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in a long long time and it shows us that
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it's still a thing which is exciting it
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tells us rough
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FLE with an emphasis on roughly when
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it's going to be released and they also
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said that no no it's going to be modular
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and I am happy to report John siracusa
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that they are making it plain or perhaps
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reiterating that they are making a
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display for it still I know you're very
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excited and I am happy that you're happy
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that is I think my summary and as much
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as I'm snarking about this this is
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actually pretty fascinating even for me
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I don't see a MacPro in my future but
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this is really really really interesting
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and a very different approach than
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apples taken in the past and whether or
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not I view a Mac Pro is something I need
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to buy and honestly I don't think it's
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something that any of us need to buy but
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we can argue about that another time I
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said too that this approach I still
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think that this approach is really
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fascinating so with that in mind I will
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open the floor perhaps we can start with
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Marco what are your thoughts I mean to
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me like you know this is this has been
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positioned and summarized by many
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including she's summarized here in chief
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in part as a Mac Pro you know round
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table successor from last year but
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there's really no new information here
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about the Mac Pro the only thing that we
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know about the Mac Pro we didn't know
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before is that it's definitely not
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coming out this year that's the only
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thing that's new here what this was
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really about I think is you know setting
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expectations for that or to be able to
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seat it to come and go and for the rest
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of the year to come and go without Pro
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is saying hey where the heck's the Mac
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Pro you know that that's really what I
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think this was about on that side and
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then to kind of paper over that or to
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offset that with something that's
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positive by showing off that they have
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this new you know kind of like in-house
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study of pro users in you know in their
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natural environment and geometrically
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speaking this announcement was an
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open-faced shit sandwich that fell face
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down on the floor
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we're news bad news good news you just
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get the bad news and then you get the
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good news so the bad news is no MacPro
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this year and the good news is I look at
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the pro workflow team isn't that cool
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and you know honestly I mean this is you
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know heavy on the PR puff obviously and
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you know not from Pantera but from Apple
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and there's not a lot of new information
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really here but it is interesting that
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this Pro you know group thing was
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created there and and is is you know
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being observed and being worked with
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that is that is the more interesting
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part of this announcement by far the
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actual like again there's no information
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with the Mac Pro we don't know anything
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at the Mac Pro except it's not come in
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this year I can speculate on why you
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know we all can many of us have honestly
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I don't think it's that interesting yet
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because again we have no new information
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except that you know that big hole in
00:34:08
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the timeline of it's gonna be next year
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which I'm glad they said it's going to
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be 2019 as opposed to it's not going to
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be this year you said that it could be
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2025 or Never
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so at least they committed to a year you
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can also speculate as many people have
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why is it taking Apple so long to
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develop what should probably just be a
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fairly straightforward like tower or
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something tower like the answer to that
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that's most likely is that last year
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like about a year ago when they had that
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roundtable I think it is very likely
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that they literally had not even started
00:34:41
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yet that it was like it was decided
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within a very short time before that
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that they that they were going to do
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this and that means that from 2013 until
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they were probably not doing any work at
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all on a Mac Pro they were probably
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assuming the iMac Pro was it and they
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were only working on the iMac Pro so
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it's not that they couldn't do a new
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tower in you know five years or whatever
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since the last Mac Pro it's that they
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can't do it a new tower in a year and a
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half that's I think what we're really
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seeing here the even that is slightly
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concerning because even that's like you
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know what pros want is new hardware in
00:35:21
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some kind of expandable box we don't
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fancy designs we don't need you know a
00:35:27
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lot of different types of quote
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innovation we just need new guts in a
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box and for Apple to be you know kind of
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taking their sweet time and trying to
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work on probably something that's like
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really you know highly designed highly
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custom that's nice I'm sure that
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satisfies Apple but that's not really
00:35:46
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what pros are asking for for this
00:35:47
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product but I don't think we can talk
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Apple out of that kind of design anymore
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I think that's kind of just what they do
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and from that point of view the the time
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scale seems reasonable that they just
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started last year and they're not just
00:36:01
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doing something basic even though many
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of us want them to do exactly that for
00:36:04
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this product because they can save the
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innovation for all of the rest of their
00:36:09
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products including the iMac Pro which is
00:36:11
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fairly innovative in a few ways and it's
00:36:13
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really nice I really like the iMac Pro
00:36:15
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but anyway they're they're not doing
00:36:17
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that so oh well I do think it's
00:36:19
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interesting also to think now maybe one
00:36:22
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of the reasons they're taking a little
00:36:24
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bit of time on this is you know what I
00:36:27
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expected was the iMac Pro guts in a box
00:36:30
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with a couple of GPU slots and maybe it
00:36:33
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may be you know space for a few m to
00:36:36
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drive modules I don't think that's what
00:36:39
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they're doing and and when the iMac Pro
00:36:42
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came out and and when we saw how awesome
00:36:45
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it was and how few downsides it had and
00:36:47
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had few restrictions it had one of the
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things that that we said at the time was
00:36:52
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what the heck is left for the Mac Pro to
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address like how much Headroom above
00:36:57
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this can the Mac Pro really achieve you
00:37:00
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know are they gonna go dual processor
00:37:01
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maybe have many graphics cards you know
00:37:04
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support it or different types of slots
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or whatever who knows what right we were
00:37:07
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trying to figure out like what else what
00:37:09
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is left for the Mac Pro to do that the
00:37:11
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iMac Pro doesn't do so maybe in order to
00:37:13
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create more Headroom in that area maybe
00:37:17
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I took a bit of you know special
00:37:19
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engineering maybe they're doing
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something they haven't done before like
00:37:21
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for instance if they if they're working
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from the road map of the old Mac Pro of
00:37:26
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the 2013 Mac Pro that one had this rigid
00:37:29
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GPU arrangement that only supported
00:37:31
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these two GPUs and this one kind of
00:37:32
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weird arrangement with this kind of
00:37:34
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weird integration with the Thunderbolt
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bus and it only supported one CPU and
00:37:38
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you know the whatever it is four or six
00:37:40
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RAM slots and and one SSD module maybe
00:37:44
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they're doing dual socket CPUs and that
00:37:47
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dramatically complicates things and and
00:37:49
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how you have to you know layout the
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internals how you have to cool things
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maybe they're doing a box that can
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accommodate lots of different
00:37:57
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configurations like the old towers could
00:37:59
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so maybe you could have one or two CPUs
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one or four GPU is like you know they
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did all sorts of crazy things back with
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the old cheese graters and stuff the
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difference now is that the cheese
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graders were all before Thunderbolt
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there was a lot less internal PCI
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Express bandwidth and things like that
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that had to be allocated to external
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storage and GPUs were lower bandwidth
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and everything was lower bandwidth back
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then and so to design something now you
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have to really consider like how you
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balance like PCI Express allocations and
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lanes and speeds between internal and
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external stuff how you route video
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signals over the thunderbolt and and how
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you like do you route the output to the
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GPU to a thunderbolt port on on the back
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like how do you do that it's fairly
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complicated to design a really good mac
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pro tower with modern features and
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modern bandwidth and everything else
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that's also that also has like
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interchangeable slots like that's a hard
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thing so if they're doing something like
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that taking two years to do it seems
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reasonable I don't know what else what
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they're doing but I hope so so like the
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the people were saying wanted there just
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to give us a box and slap things
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together like I think there's a minimum
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there's a minimum bar of not even
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innovation but just quality or attention
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to detail or thoughtfulness that we
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expect from a lot of people a lot of
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people look at the cheese graters and
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say oh it's just a tower case yeah it's
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an it's a nice looking tower case but
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whatever is just a tower like it's not
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it has a door but it's just got a bunch
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of slots and a motherboard and RAM it's
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like cool it's not much different this
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from pcs our eyes evidence piled the PC
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Tower clones that came after it but I
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think that the very first one the Power
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Mac g5 I think that probably took them
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longer to design that plain and boring
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tower case and everything that goes into
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it then they're spending there they're
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gonna end up spending on this macro but
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it's not because they're insisting on
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doing something really weird like the
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trashcan right because the the Power Mac
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g5 was not really weird it was a tower
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like straightforward like there wasn't
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it wasn't it wasn't weird at all but if
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you look at it it's like well it's very
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carefully designed they you know the
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case is has very you know simple design
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with a big curved piece of aluminum
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wrapped around a minimum number of seams
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the door giving you access to the
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insides you know the way the door fits
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in and that whole mechanism how they
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route all the ribbon cables so they're
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not that you know to make it look nice
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on the inside so the ribbon cables are
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all tucked behind the motherboard and
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they're just the right length and stuff
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the way the motherboard is laid out I
00:40:38
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mean all the various custom chips that
00:40:41
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might go into it that aren't in any
00:40:42
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other Mac it's not rocket science and
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it's not like the thing that people are
00:40:47
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afraid of like oh there it's gonna be
00:40:48
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shaped like a squid and it's gonna have
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you know Thunderbolt 3 connecting
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everything and like all sorts of just
00:40:55
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make me a box say Apple is doing that
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we're just making you a box it is
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literally a tower it is the air comes in
00:41:01
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the front and out the back it is totally
00:41:03
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straightforward but doing that the Apple
00:41:05
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Way takes longer than people think and I
00:41:10
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kind of want them to do it the Apple way
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like if you're in a super big hurry I
00:41:14
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can understand like you're like we need
00:41:15
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towers yesterday we can't use the iMac
00:41:18
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Pro for whatever reasons just you know
00:41:21
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slap it together like they like people
00:41:23
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who would be happy with the hackintosh
00:41:24
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right I don't I don't care what it looks
00:41:26
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like how nice it is I don't care how
00:41:28
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nice the seams are or whatever just slap
00:41:30
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it together but I don't think Apple is
00:41:33
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really capable of doing that like even
00:41:35
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even its products that we you know it's
00:41:37
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quote-unquote worst products like the
00:41:39
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products that we complain about like are
00:41:40
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you still selling the MacBook Air or
00:41:41
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whatever MacBook Air is still nice like
00:41:43
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industrial design why is the screen is
00:41:45
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gross but like everything else about it
00:41:47
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you know it looks expensive and
00:41:50
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carefully designed like it's not falling
00:41:52
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apart and has weird seams and things
00:41:54
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poking out of it and doesn't look
00:41:56
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slapped together it looks old but it
00:41:58
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doesn't look slap together Apple
00:42:00
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generally just is not you know
00:42:02
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institutionally capable of making
00:42:05
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hardware that looks like it's been
00:42:07
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slapped together like on a speedy
00:42:09
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schedule like we didn't have time to
00:42:10
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actually design this we just use a bunch
00:42:12
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of stock parts and we screw them
00:42:13
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together like the way the bed wrap of
00:42:15
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you know American cars or any car maker
00:42:17
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that use like a parts bin dashboard
00:42:19
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where we have a bunch of things that we
00:42:22
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use in all our cars like the window
00:42:23
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switches or whatever and we're not going
00:42:24
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to design custom onto this car because
00:42:26
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it's too much trouble so just slapping
00:42:27
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the same switches that we use on all
00:42:28
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other cars very American car markets
00:42:30
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used to do stuff like us all the time
00:42:31
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these days there's more custom parts in
00:42:34
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cars than you would expect but that type
00:42:36
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of thing it's just not how Apple does
00:42:39
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things they're not aside from trying to
00:42:41
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share the same stupid keyboard and all
00:42:43
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their laptops they like I don't think
00:42:45
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this this thing is gonna you know if
00:42:48
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it's as it could be as boring as bread
00:42:51
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and butter and it's still gonna take
00:42:52
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them two years to make it that's just
00:42:54
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how long the stuff takes and like you
00:42:56
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were saying marker with like you were
00:42:57
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thinking that it would just be the iMac
00:42:59
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Pro internals I still think that III
00:43:02
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thought that from the beginning that
00:43:03
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look don't get your hopes up for the
00:43:06
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insides of this Mac Pro to be anything
00:43:07
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other thing than the insides of that in
00:43:09
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terms of specs like obviously things
00:43:10
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will be rearranged and there'd be a new
00:43:11
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board and and you know different slots
00:43:14
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and stuff like that but fully expected
00:43:16
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to have a t2 and to have the same class
00:43:18
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of Xeon and so on and so forth
00:43:19
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now with a delay I still more or less
00:43:23
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expect it to be rearranged iMac pro
00:43:26
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internals like I don't expect it to have
00:43:27
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a t3 chip I expected that of a t2 chip
00:43:30
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right because they don't have time to
00:43:31
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make a whole other one of those in this
00:43:33
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in this timeline right unless they were
00:43:35
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already making it for the iMac processor
00:43:37
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which I think they are not right so I
00:43:38
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expect iMac pro internals maybe with
00:43:42
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with the newer Xeon if it's a drop-in
00:43:43
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replacement right more slots for
00:43:46
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everything more RAM slots more storage
00:43:48
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spots possibly more room for internal
00:43:53
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storage right just like capacity you
00:43:56
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know start from the design sort of the
00:43:58
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design brief of this thing should be
00:43:59
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like more thermal capacity than an iMac
00:44:02
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Pro and every other feature flows from
00:44:04
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that because if you don't do more
00:44:05
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thermal capacity than an iMac Pro then
00:44:07
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the only thing you're the only benefit
00:44:09
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you're getting is well as the screen
00:44:10
◼
►
breaks you don't lose your whole
00:44:11
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►
computer right so I feel like this thing
00:44:13
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is going to have higher thermal ceiling
00:44:15
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than the iMac
00:44:16
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and then you can do lots of stuff with a
00:44:18
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thermal sailing and it's then then it
00:44:20
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becomes a question of talking to these
00:44:21
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pro people like a writer like what do
00:44:23
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you want do you want two CPUs would you
00:44:25
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►
rather have more PCI Express let's do we
00:44:27
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►
have to offer you're both if we just
00:44:29
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made all them have one CD would that be
00:44:31
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►
how much internal storage you want
00:44:32
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►
versus external like but it's all like
00:44:34
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►
how you spend your thermal budget but
00:44:37
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the budget has to be way higher than the
00:44:39
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iMac Pro and all anybody capacity how
00:44:42
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much storage can you put in how much RAM
00:44:44
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can you put in it right and then of
00:44:46
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course how much heat can it dissipate
00:44:47
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how many GPUs can you put it how big can
00:44:50
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the GPUs be and then finally like use on
00:44:53
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the iMac Pro one of the reasons you like
00:44:54
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it is because it doesn't sound like a
00:44:56
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hairdryer all the time and this to make
00:44:59
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a big tower computer that has high
00:45:02
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thermal capacity but it's also
00:45:04
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reasonably quiet is tricky like I think
00:45:08
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►
about all the pcs I see and sometimes
00:45:10
◼
►
lust after that have these you know
00:45:12
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►
nicely designed pcs that have big
00:45:15
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►
cooling capacity and try to be quiet
00:45:17
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►
that doesn't happen if you just take a
00:45:19
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►
box and slap a bunch of fans in it like
00:45:21
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►
you have to be thoughtful in some ways
00:45:23
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►
to make sure you don't have any weird
00:45:25
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►
hotspots because you didn't think about
00:45:26
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►
this component over there like I know
00:45:29
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►
people bill Caesar like just get a
00:45:30
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really big diameter fan and put a whole
00:45:31
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►
bunch of them in there and it's like
00:45:32
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►
straightforward you just put pieces
00:45:33
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►
together but and assembling a PC like
00:45:37
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►
that unless you have lots of experience
00:45:38
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►
and know exactly how everything's gonna
00:45:39
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►
work with a bunch of custom parts can
00:45:42
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►
lead to weird things where the heat
00:45:45
◼
►
gradients that you didn't expect there
00:45:47
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►
or a particular component that is not
00:45:48
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►
getting adequate cooling because there's
00:45:50
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►
just no way to route air to there and
00:45:51
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►
you it's just it's hacky and it's not
00:45:53
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it's not up the apples quality so I
00:45:56
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think that even if Apple is making the
00:46:00
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most boring box we could possibly think
00:46:02
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of that they have to they are going to
00:46:06
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do a better job then then I think some
00:46:09
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►
people would want those to those
00:46:10
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►
hackintosh type customers and as far as
00:46:11
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►
I'm concerned as someone who doesn't
00:46:13
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►
need this thing right now although you
00:46:15
◼
►
may disagree when you think to how old
00:46:17
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►
my Mac is but I'd rather like spend the
00:46:19
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►
time spend the time to make even if it's
00:46:21
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►
a boring tower spend the time to make a
00:46:22
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►
boring tower that's as nice as a cheese
00:46:24
◼
►
grater spend the time to make it look
00:46:25
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►
nice it's been in time to make sure that
00:46:28
◼
►
is super reliable
00:46:30
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that it's quiet figure out a way to make
00:46:31
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it quiet and yes spend the time talking
00:46:33
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to people the various prose and saying
00:46:35
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►
what do you what do you want out of this
00:46:37
◼
►
machine like do we have to make two
00:46:39
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►
slots or CPUs or is that something that
00:46:40
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►
nobody wants and we don't have to do
00:46:42
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►
because I don't think they're gonna have
00:46:44
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17 different configurable versions of
00:46:45
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►
this right and I also don't think
00:46:48
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they're going to make it some magic
00:46:51
◼
►
modular snapped together a future
00:46:53
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►
technology Thunderbolt 3 powered octopus
00:46:55
◼
►
thing I know lots of people think that
00:46:57
◼
►
you know 2019 this is gonna be some
00:46:59
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►
crazy trashcan but I don't I don't think
00:47:01
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►
that I think it's gonna be a fairly
00:47:02
◼
►
straightforward machine I just want to
00:47:03
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►
be nice I just um
00:47:05
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►
I I'm struggling because I I do see both
00:47:08
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►
sides of this like on the one side just
00:47:10
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like you guys had said you know why not
00:47:12
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►
just make take the old cheese grater
00:47:14
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►
you know form-factor slap new bits in it
00:47:17
◼
►
and call it a day
00:47:18
◼
►
but there's been a lot of changes to the
00:47:22
◼
►
Mac in the last couple of years you know
00:47:23
◼
►
what used to be for the purposes of this
00:47:26
◼
►
conversation when it used to be just
00:47:28
◼
►
vanilla intel motherboards with vanilla
00:47:29
◼
►
intel chips on them now or not quite so
00:47:32
◼
►
simple we have the you know the tea to
00:47:34
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►
that that one of you guys mentioned
00:47:35
◼
►
earlier we have all these different you
00:47:37
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►
know coprocessors we have a touch bar
00:47:39
◼
►
that we have never seen be external to
00:47:41
◼
►
the device we have a secure Enclave
00:47:43
◼
►
there's so many different things that
00:47:45
◼
►
make this so much more complex than
00:47:46
◼
►
before and when when you also add
00:47:50
◼
►
modularity into this because there's
00:47:53
◼
►
basically no Apple computers sold today
00:47:57
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that is as modular as we are expecting
00:48:00
◼
►
and being told that this will be and I
00:48:02
◼
►
can't imagine it's easy to keep up with
00:48:06
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►
these extremely stringent security
00:48:07
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►
requirements while also doing this mod
00:48:12
◼
►
you know this modular thing so as an
00:48:14
◼
►
example like this phantom Apple display
00:48:15
◼
►
this new cinema display if you will
00:48:17
◼
►
presumably that's going to have a camera
00:48:20
◼
►
in an iSight camera in it or FaceTime
00:48:22
◼
►
camera or whatever they're calling it
00:48:23
◼
►
now presumably they're going to want
00:48:25
◼
►
that to be controlled by you know the t2
00:48:27
◼
►
or whatever it is it controls in these
00:48:29
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►
days how do you do that when it's not
00:48:32
◼
►
part of the device itself how does that
00:48:34
◼
►
work so yeah I mean you could just say
00:48:37
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►
yes screw it if somebody can hack your
00:48:40
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►
camera well tough nuggies you made this
00:48:42
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►
bed yourself if that's not apples
00:48:43
◼
►
so I understand all the angst about Oh
00:48:46
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we'll just you know use a cheese grater
00:48:47
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►
put some new bits in it walk away and I
00:48:50
◼
►
could make a pretty good argument that
00:48:52
◼
►
they should do that and then do the real
00:48:53
◼
►
Mac Pro afterwards but just like you
00:48:56
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►
said John like that's not Apple's way
00:48:58
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►
apples ways to make this interesting and
00:49:00
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innovative and and smart and I think and
00:49:03
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I hope that's what they're doing oh nice
00:49:05
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I like it doesn't have to be innovative
00:49:07
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►
because it's like as the cheese grater
00:49:08
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►
is it innovative like what's innovative
00:49:10
◼
►
about the cheese grater the only things
00:49:11
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►
innovative about it is how nice it is
00:49:12
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►
like it's not it was just it's just a
00:49:15
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►
tower case like the there was the CPUs
00:49:17
◼
►
weren't arranged in an octagon it wasn't
00:49:19
◼
►
cooled by like jellyfish like it was
00:49:22
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just a tower case with fans and had hard
00:49:25
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drives and RAM and slots and like it was
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very straightforward but it's nice that
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the trash can was innovative wow this
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tube shape thing with a chimney design
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and a little triangle motherboard and
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two GPUs and like that that was an
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innovative design and that's what people
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are afraid is happening and I I mean I'm
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assuming talking to the pros that pros
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are not saying please make it you know
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really weird like they they don't care
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what it looks like they hoping that the
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influence talking these people will
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cause it to be more will push back
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against any unconventional thinking that
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Apple may bring to the table what what
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if we gave you something like this I
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hope the pros go that might work but I
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know this will work so why don't you
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just make me this and by the way this
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article honest I'm mistaken does not say
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that this pro workflow team was created
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for this it just tells you about the pro
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work for the team I have no idea how
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long the pro workflow team has been an
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apple maybe they'd been there for a
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decade advising the Final Cut Pro team
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and every Pro Mac that they've ever made
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right this is just part of to soften the
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blow of the of the macro not being this
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year will tell you about a thing that
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previously we had no reason to tell you
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about because what do you care what we
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do internally right but to make you feel
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like we're really paying attention will
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tell you about this which i think is
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fine like if someone snarkily tweeted
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congratulations Apple you've discovered
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user acceptance testing which hasn't
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discovered it like I said I think this
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has always existed maybe it's been
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ramped up maybe they've been given
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closer access to machines instead of
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just being giving weird you know
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disguised boxes and saying what do you
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think of this but this this is the type
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then you would hope any company's doing
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but that the sort of The Legend of Apple
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the the face that they present to the
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world doesn't include this like the The
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Legend of Apple is we don't need to talk
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to people to know what to make we don't
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do focus groups we don't ask you what
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you want because you don't know what you
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want will tell you what you want we know
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it's like we we just go off to the
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mountain and we come down with a thing
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and trust me you'll love it right and
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that's how we got the touch bar yeah
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maybe not I think maybe that's more of
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the focus group thing or someone has an
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idea and you tell people do you think
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this is a good idea and everyone goes
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yeah that sounds like it might be a good
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idea but people are dummies like this
00:51:35
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like it's a steve job the steve jobs
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school of thought of like you know don't
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ask people like we are smart enough on
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our own to figure it out if we ask
00:51:43
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people we'll make mediocre stuff because
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that's that's true of any product focus
00:51:48
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groups are death it's like the you know
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the homework are from from the simpsons
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right just everyone has ideas about what
00:51:53
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they think they want but everyone is not
00:51:55
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a product designer it's your job as a
00:51:56
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product designer to you no synthesize
00:51:58
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their desires and figure out what it is
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that they really want so on and so forth
00:52:01
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but the more company is perceived to be
00:52:05
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allowing the customer to lead them the
00:52:08
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more it is likely to make mediocre
00:52:11
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products and to lose sight of true
00:52:14
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innovation result innovators dilemma
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things like you know just keep talking
00:52:17
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to your best customers they'll
00:52:18
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continually ask for like we do on the
00:52:20
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show essentially it you just listen to
00:52:22
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your mainframe customers they keep
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telling you about how they want you to
00:52:24
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make better and better mainframes and
00:52:25
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you miss the PC revolution right because
00:52:26
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you're like because you just like well
00:52:28
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are all of our biggest customers say
00:52:30
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they want this and they want that and
00:52:31
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you will never make the PC if you keep
00:52:34
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talking to your mainframe customers you
00:52:36
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have to say well actually there's
00:52:37
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another thing we should be doing and
00:52:38
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those customers will never tell us to do
00:52:40
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that there's a million business books
00:52:41
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about this right but Apple we don't
00:52:43
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perceive as saying we're not really sure
00:52:45
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how to make a pro computer can we get
00:52:47
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some pros and here to tell us what do
00:52:48
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you like do you like this do you like
00:52:49
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that like it's if strong position like a
00:52:51
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weakness and we want them to just know
00:52:53
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everything automatically and just make
00:52:54
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beautiful things that everybody loved
00:52:56
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reality of course is neither extreme is
00:52:58
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true Steve Jobs is Apple still took
00:53:01
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customer feedback and like that's always
00:53:02
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been a part of the process and this
00:53:05
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whole Pro work ball team I'm sure it
00:53:06
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does have some influence but in the end
00:53:08
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of Johnny Arizona
00:53:09
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it's not going on there so I think you
00:53:14
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know this is one of the reasons you
00:53:16
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don't talk about your process because
00:53:18
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once people out something company start
00:53:20
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thinking about your process it it loses
00:53:23
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some of the magic and you start worrying
00:53:26
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about is that really the best process to
00:53:29
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do this I'm not on that fair workflow
00:53:30
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team what if they're not talking to me
00:53:32
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in fact we got some feedback about that
00:53:33
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from other people saying yeah they're
00:53:35
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talking to pros in film and video and
00:53:38
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whatever industries but they're not
00:53:39
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talking to pros in my industry whatever
00:53:42
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that may be you know academics R&D you
00:53:46
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know scientific stuff I don't know I
00:53:51
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figured what the calories outside of
00:53:53
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what they have listed that are on the
00:53:56
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pro work with and for all we know the
00:53:57
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protein does include all those they
00:53:58
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didn't tell us everything about them but
00:54:00
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either way if you don't feel like your
00:54:02
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views are being represented and you buy
00:54:05
◼
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into the idea that it's that small group
00:54:07
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of people that's essentially dictating
00:54:09
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what this machine will look like that
00:54:10
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doesn't feel good either because now
00:54:12
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when the machine comes out you could be
00:54:13
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like oh great that business is a great
00:54:15
◼
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machine for video editors but for me
00:54:17
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doing medical imaging it sucks they
00:54:19
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should have had medical images in there
00:54:20
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for a murkrow team that's you know
00:54:21
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that's the difficulty of making any
00:54:24
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product they are not gonna make an
00:54:25
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entire line of Mac Pro's to suit
00:54:28
◼
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everybody's needs they're gonna make one
00:54:30
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that suits most people's needs where
00:54:33
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most is defined as people Apple things
00:54:35
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will buy a Mac Pro and at that with the
00:54:37
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asterisk we hope it will suit most
00:54:39
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people's needs we hope yeah maybe
00:54:41
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they'll be wrong about that maybe you
00:54:42
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know that's again what the process like
00:54:45
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wouldn't it be for all you know Apple if
00:54:48
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you made this kind of computer a whole
00:54:49
◼
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new class of people would want to buy it
00:54:51
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and ignore the pro video people because
00:54:53
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your real market is you know like makers
00:54:56
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but their 3d printers and they need to
00:54:57
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do CAD on it I don't know like that's
00:54:59
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kind of apples job to figure out but if
00:55:03
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you start if your starting point is a
00:55:05
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more or less conventional tower with a
00:55:07
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separate monitor that's really nice and
00:55:09
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that has the same capabilities and
00:55:11
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performance profile as the iMac Pro but
00:55:13
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with more capacity that's a pretty good
00:55:15
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starting point for most people know they
00:55:16
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can ask for things here and there but I
00:55:20
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don't think that that Pro work
00:55:22
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is going to do anything other than have
00:55:26
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minor suggestions about a very
00:55:30
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conventional design and best-case
00:55:33
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►
scenario that team was able to dissuade
00:55:35
◼
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Apple very early on like last year
00:55:37
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sometime to not make you know a weird
00:55:40
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octopus thing right say yeah don't go
00:55:43
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down that path like we have some
00:55:45
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sketches I hope everyone involved would
00:55:47
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say that might be good it might be bad
00:55:50
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but it's an unknown and you already did
00:55:51
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►
that with a trash can so let's just reel
00:55:53
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this back in let's let's start with a
00:55:54
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box I feel like - like there's there's
00:55:58
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different levels at which this kind of
00:56:01
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like user focus group or work group is
00:56:04
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useful or needed it makes total sense to
00:56:07
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have people who use say the pro apps
00:56:11
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work with Apple on some level and have
00:56:14
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Apple asked them like what they need and
00:56:16
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watch what they need and and you know
00:56:18
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we're we're closely with them to tailor
00:56:20
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the pro apps to the needs of the people
00:56:22
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who buy them but as you go kind of
00:56:25
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further down I guess the stack of the
00:56:29
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platforms the operating systems and then
00:56:32
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eventually the hardware it gets less and
00:56:34
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less specific the whole appeal of
00:56:37
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personal computing is that these
00:56:39
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machines are generalists they can be
00:56:42
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used to do anything lots of different
00:56:45
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tasks can be done on these machines and
00:56:47
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so the the hardware and the platforms in
00:56:50
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the OS have to be able to support
00:56:53
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anything because you never know what
00:56:56
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people are going to do you know you can
00:56:58
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you can pick a few use cases and say
00:57:00
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let's make sure you know that it works
00:57:01
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well for these use cases because we've
00:57:03
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heard that a lot of people use it for
00:57:04
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that or something but you can never
00:57:06
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accommodate everything via user testing
00:57:09
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that people are going to want these
00:57:10
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computers and operating systems to do so
00:57:13
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as you go down like it yeah have the the
00:57:16
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team that makes final cut work with
00:57:18
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video editors that makes total sense
00:57:20
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but even that is like kind of hard to
00:57:22
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describe like I guarantee you no one on
00:57:25
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the logic team has ever watched somebody
00:57:27
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had on a podcast and logic and maybe
00:57:30
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it's a pretty light use case I don't
00:57:32
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know but I'm telling you it's never
00:57:33
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happened but anyway the OS and the ha
00:57:36
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we're have to be as versatile as
00:57:38
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possible so this is why this is kind of
00:57:41
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like a like I don't think this has a lot
00:57:43
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to do with the Mac Pro like this this
00:57:45
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user I think this is purely like a PR
00:57:47
◼
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thing to cover up they the information
00:57:50
◼
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they wanted to communicate was don't
00:57:52
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expect a Mac Pro this year and as John
00:57:53
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said you know they they gave you this
00:57:55
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Pro workflows group thing as like
00:57:58
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something good to stick on top of that
00:58:00
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and that's nice but I don't think
00:58:02
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they're that related and the design of
00:58:05
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the of a Mac any Mac even you know a lot
00:58:08
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of people have been arguing about like
00:58:09
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the definition of Pro what counts as a
00:58:11
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pro I think this is a totally useless
00:58:13
◼
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distinction it doesn't matter Pro is
00:58:15
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marketing that's all it is it Pro just
00:58:17
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means the bigger one of the more
00:58:18
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expensive one any other any other
00:58:20
◼
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focusing of what this definition is is
00:58:22
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is not productive all of the computers
00:58:24
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in the lineup should be as versatile as
00:58:27
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possible the OS and the platforms and
00:58:30
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everything should be as versatile as
00:58:31
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possible to accommodate any kind of work
00:58:33
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►
any kind of workflow any kind of
00:58:35
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workload the only reason that you
00:58:37
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shouldn't be able to do something on a
00:58:39
◼
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MacBook Air that you can do on a Mac Pro
00:58:42
◼
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is if the MacBook Air doesn't have
00:58:45
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hardware support for what you're doing
00:58:48
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if it doesn't have enough RAM or if it's
00:58:50
◼
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just too damn slow or if it doesn't have
00:58:52
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enough Thunderbolt bandwidth that should
00:58:54
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be the only difference between these
00:58:55
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products and when computers are properly
00:58:58
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designed which they have been for
00:58:59
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decades that is the only distinction if
00:59:01
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for most types of applications unless
00:59:03
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there's like a specific GPU requirement
00:59:05
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►
something like you don't quote need a
00:59:08
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►
MacBook Pro to edit video you couldn't
00:59:11
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edit video in a MacBook Air it'll just
00:59:13
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be slower and stuff like that like when
00:59:15
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you buy or if you sell computers you try
00:59:17
◼
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to make these distinctions you try to
00:59:19
◼
►
say oh well this you need to go to this
00:59:21
◼
►
model if you need to do this or this way
00:59:23
◼
►
if you're only doing this you should
00:59:24
◼
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only be using this cheapo crappy model
00:59:26
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►
over here but these distinctions are all
00:59:29
◼
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just for sales and marketing and for the
00:59:30
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most part the only thing that matters is
00:59:32
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does it have the tech specs to do what
00:59:34
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you need at all and then you can argue
00:59:36
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about how fast to bring in user testing
00:59:40
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groups like it like this to influence
00:59:43
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hardware decisions I think is
00:59:45
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questionable because for a long time
00:59:50
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to the best of our knowledge these kinds
00:59:53
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of people being brought in and for
00:59:54
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Hardware decisions were not necessary or
00:59:57
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weren't happening and we don't we still