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00:00:00 ◼   ► I participated, and this is actually going to tie into our other part of the pre-show, but I participated in

00:00:04 ◼   ► the podcastathon, the Relay FM podcastathon to raise money for St. Jude.

00:00:10 ◼   ► We're going to talk more about that in a moment. And as part of that, myself and a handful of other Relay hosts

00:00:15 ◼   ► played Relay FM feuding families. And we played, you know, a game that might be like a television show

00:00:22 ◼   ► you may have seen. We had various questions, some of which I was prepared for, some of which I was not.

00:00:26 ◼   ► The final question in the feuding families, however, was something that was quite funny and I have to ask

00:00:32 ◼   ► Marco, let me start with you. Did you happen to have the chance to see this segment of these?

00:00:36 ◼   ► What was it? Six hour eight hour eight hour podcast? A thon sadly, I did not. Okay. Well you missed you missed a true gem

00:00:43 ◼   ► I mean the whole thing was great. You should watch all of it. But this in particular was excellent

00:00:46 ◼   ► the final question just to finish this up is

00:00:49 ◼   ► Name something that is important or that I would think there's a name something that John Syracuse

00:00:55 ◼   ► cares about. And imagine me just losing it when that question was asked, because of the

00:01:01 ◼   ► three of us I was the only one participating in the feuding families, I was rolling listening

00:01:07 ◼   ► to that question. The answers, if you would like to be spoiled, and we will put a timestamp

00:01:12 ◼   ► link in the show notes.

00:01:13 ◼   ► I think you might have to explain the premise of Family Feud briefly.

00:01:17 ◼   ► Well, I don't know what Family Feud is about, because this definitely was not it.

00:01:20 ◼   ► It was definitely distinct, yes.

00:01:22 ◼   ► distinct, but the idea with Feuding Families is the relay listeners, and

00:01:28 ◼   ► anyone really could participate, but the relay listeners filled out a survey

00:01:31 ◼   ► basically and filled out freeform answers to several different questions.

00:01:34 ◼   ► Then Jason Snell, our game master, if you will, dungeon master since I lost

00:01:41 ◼   ► actually, I was very sad, but anyway, Jason as our game master would assemble these,

00:01:46 ◼   ► I think perhaps some other people helped him, but would assemble these answers and

00:01:49 ◼   ► pick the top several. And the amount of people that wrote in that answer would

00:01:54 ◼   ► be the amount of points you earn for guessing that answer. And there's two

00:01:58 ◼   ► teams and each team would make a guess. And whichever team had the

00:02:03 ◼   ► higher guess, so this is, well this is not exactly how it works, but basically

00:02:06 ◼   ► whichever team makes the higher guess gets to try to name all the different

00:02:10 ◼   ► options. And if they succeed they get all the points. If they don't name all the

00:02:15 ◼   ► If they have three incorrect answers,

00:02:17 ◼   ► then the other team gets a chance,

00:02:19 ◼   ► and if they name any of the remaining options,

00:02:21 ◼   ► they steal all the points.

00:02:22 ◼   ► And so we had, in this case, one, two, three, four, five,

00:02:25 ◼   ► six available answers to what does John Siracusa care about?

00:02:30 ◼   ► And I was curious, John, what your thoughts were.

00:02:33 ◼   ► I will go through the list now.

00:02:35 ◼   ► - Well, actually, did Margot already spoil yourself

00:02:37 ◼   ► by looking at the show notes?

00:02:39 ◼   ► - No, I did not.

00:02:40 ◼   ► - All right, well, so Margot should play the game.

00:02:42 ◼   ► - This is perfect.

00:02:43 ◼   ► I love this. - Okay, okay.

00:02:44 ◼   ► Thank you, John.

00:02:45 ◼   ► All right, what does John Sirkiszko care about?

00:02:48 ◼   ► - I remember the trick about this game

00:02:49 ◼   ► and all and Family Feud that was on TV or whatever is,

00:02:52 ◼   ► it doesn't matter what the actual answer is,

00:02:54 ◼   ► it only matters what people who filled out the survey said.

00:02:57 ◼   ► So if the survey was like name a fruit,

00:02:59 ◼   ► like most people would like pick an apple or something

00:03:01 ◼   ► as their number one, right?

00:03:02 ◼   ► It's the first thing that comes to mind.

00:03:03 ◼   ► So you have to guess what most people said

00:03:07 ◼   ► in the answer to this question,

00:03:08 ◼   ► not what I actually care about.

00:03:10 ◼   ► - Right.

00:03:11 ◼   ► So I'm gonna say,

00:03:13 ◼   ► I mean, this might be too broad, but Italian food.

00:03:16 ◼   ► - Bzzz, that's one X.

00:03:17 ◼   ► Not even on the list. - Not on the list.

00:03:20 ◼   ► - Are you able to tell me like,

00:03:21 ◼   ► is a particular one like tomato sauce?

00:03:22 ◼   ► Like, is that just too broad or?

00:03:25 ◼   ► - Like, the game Family Feud and Jason as host

00:03:28 ◼   ► are both very generous in terms of letting you get close.

00:03:32 ◼   ► There is nothing even close to that on here,

00:03:35 ◼   ► so no, Italian food is not on the list.

00:03:37 ◼   ► We should do the thing that they do in the show

00:03:39 ◼   ► that this is legally distinct from and that Jason does,

00:03:41 ◼   ► which is you do survey says, show me Italian food.

00:03:45 ◼   ► And then the big red X comes cause you didn't get it.

00:03:47 ◼   ► - All right.

00:03:48 ◼   ► - I can't believe you're doing this badly

00:03:50 ◼   ► cause none, you don't have any of the six.

00:03:52 ◼   ► You just have to pick one of the top six.

00:03:54 ◼   ► In less than respect you came up with Italian food.

00:03:57 ◼   ► - I mean, that's a reasonable guess.

00:03:59 ◼   ► - Cause these are people filling out a survey.

00:04:01 ◼   ► Many of them might not even know who I am,

00:04:02 ◼   ► but the ones that do probably know who I am

00:04:04 ◼   ► from listening to podcasts.

00:04:06 ◼   ► - Televisions.

00:04:07 ◼   ► - Number one answer. - Number one choice, boom.

00:04:09 ◼   ► See, now you're getting it.

00:04:11 ◼   ► - Now we're getting somewhere, all right.

00:04:12 ◼   ► - 30 people said.

00:04:13 ◼   ► - All right, so I'm just gonna keep going

00:04:17 ◼   ► until I lose or guess all six?

00:04:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, until you get three Xs.

00:04:20 ◼   ► - Right, yeah, okay, so yeah.

00:04:22 ◼   ► All right, I'm gonna go with Apple.

00:04:25 ◼   ► - Not on the list, I'm not gonna give you that one.

00:04:27 ◼   ► Jason was very generous with his choice in the show,

00:04:29 ◼   ► but no, Apple is not on the list.

00:04:31 ◼   ► Good guess, though, but no.

00:04:32 ◼   ► - So one of the things I thought of was movies,

00:04:34 ◼   ► but I wonder if that's included in,

00:04:36 ◼   ► well, television's a hardware thing.

00:04:37 ◼   ► All right, I'm gonna say movies.

00:04:38 ◼   ► - Nope.

00:04:39 ◼   ► Is that two?

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Is that your third axis? - No, that's two.

00:04:42 ◼   ► All right, follow up.

00:04:44 ◼   ► - Nope. - No.

00:04:46 ◼   ► - Wow. - Three axes.

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Hopefully you're doing so badly at this game,

00:04:48 ◼   ► I gotta remember not to be on Feuding Families

00:04:50 ◼   ► with Marco and my team.

00:04:51 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:52 ◼   ► You are on a show with me.

00:04:54 ◼   ► The only place people would know me from

00:04:56 ◼   ► is listening to me on podcasts.

00:04:58 ◼   ► All right, forget about the game, Marco.

00:05:00 ◼   ► Name a bunch of stuff that I'm known for on the show.

00:05:02 ◼   ► Just rattle them off.

00:05:03 ◼   ► - I mean, you make really good arguments.

00:05:05 ◼   ► That's-- - No!

00:05:06 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:05:07 ◼   ► - I'm not mad at you, this is bad.

00:05:08 ◼   ► - I mean, you're all about the Mac Pro.

00:05:10 ◼   ► - All right, all right chatroom.

00:05:11 ◼   ► - All right, I'll give you half credit for the Mac Pro

00:05:14 ◼   ► because the-- - Yeah, so something having

00:05:16 ◼   ► to do with the Mac is a good choice.

00:05:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean Pro Max I would say, yeah Pro Max.

00:05:19 ◼   ► I mean you're all about Perl.

00:05:23 ◼   ► - That's a good guess, that would,

00:05:24 ◼   ► they just missed the list but that's a good one.

00:05:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's of course file systems.

00:05:29 ◼   ► - That's on the list, that's number six.

00:05:31 ◼   ► - All right, all right.

00:05:32 ◼   ► - You're the one who rings the bell,

00:05:33 ◼   ► you didn't guess file systems?

00:05:35 ◼   ► All right, go on. - No.

00:05:35 ◼   ► (bell dings)

00:05:36 ◼   ► - Cheese graters?

00:05:38 ◼   ► - Yes, that's on the list, number three.

00:05:38 ◼   ► - Number three. - See how much better

00:05:40 ◼   ► you're doing now that you're not in whatever mental state

00:05:43 ◼   ► you're in for the game mode?

00:05:45 ◼   ► - Let's see, other things, I mean,

00:05:47 ◼   ► if it isn't just limited to this show,

00:05:49 ◼   ► you definitely care a lot about secret British people.

00:05:53 ◼   ► - That's true, that's only a recent development.

00:05:54 ◼   ► - People wouldn't have known that.

00:05:56 ◼   ► - I mean, you're doing okay here, but let's just,

00:05:59 ◼   ► 'cause you already lost, let's tell you the other ones.

00:06:01 ◼   ► Toasters, number two. - Oh yeah!

00:06:03 ◼   ► - Come on, man. - I mean, no,

00:06:04 ◼   ► that's not recent, but you remember you're serving

00:06:06 ◼   ► of a bunch of people who may have heard,

00:06:08 ◼   ► listened to a podcast with me on it

00:06:10 ◼   ► like once a long time ago, toasters.

00:06:12 ◼   ► That's number two, cheeseburgers is number three.

00:06:14 ◼   ► Number four, you probably wouldn't get.

00:06:16 ◼   ► - Game controllers. - Excuse me, number four,

00:06:17 ◼   ► I believe that was my pick if memory serves,

00:06:19 ◼   ► thank you very much. - Yeah, you did get it.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna have you return in a second.

00:06:22 ◼   ► Number four is fan noise.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I mean, true, yes, but. - I mean, yeah, that's up,

00:06:26 ◼   ► I think I guess things that are way more prominent than that.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, but that's the secret of the lesson.

00:06:30 ◼   ► - That's the secret of the game.

00:06:31 ◼   ► - Also, here's what you should have done, Casey,

00:06:33 ◼   ► because as you noted in earlier rounds,

00:06:35 ◼   ► Sometimes the rounds were sort of focused on particular people's expertise.

00:06:38 ◼   ► Like they had a question about Microsoft stores.

00:06:40 ◼   ► One team had one, maybe two Microsoft employees, right?

00:06:44 ◼   ► So that's unfair.

00:06:45 ◼   ► There was a Pokemon question.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Obviously there were people with varying degrees of Pokemon expertise,

00:06:49 ◼   ► which may have helped to hurt them.

00:06:50 ◼   ► But in the question about me, you are the expert, Casey.

00:06:54 ◼   ► You're right there.

00:06:54 ◼   ► You're on a podcast with me all the time.

00:06:55 ◼   ► You could have guessed all of these.

00:06:57 ◼   ► It's just a question of narrowing it down.

00:06:59 ◼   ► It's like you were in the position of the Pokemon people.

00:07:00 ◼   ► They know all the Pokemon.

00:07:01 ◼   ► It's just a question of narrowing it down.

00:07:04 ◼   ► You didn't listen to Jason earlier when he said,

00:07:07 ◼   ► "Hey, when your team has their turn,

00:07:09 ◼   ► "you can, if you want, rattle off a bunch of things

00:07:12 ◼   ► "that you're thinking of."

00:07:13 ◼   ► Knowing full well that you're giving hints

00:07:15 ◼   ► to the other team, because if you named three things,

00:07:18 ◼   ► and your team loses, the other team can just name

00:07:21 ◼   ► those things that you listed, right?

00:07:23 ◼   ► But you knew your team didn't know me that well.

00:07:25 ◼   ► I think one of the people didn't even know me at all.

00:07:28 ◼   ► So you should have given them other choices to choose from,

00:07:31 ◼   ► especially when you had zero strikes.

00:07:32 ◼   ► You just said, "Okay, team, I know you guys don't know

00:07:34 ◼   ► as well as I do.

00:07:35 ◼   ► So what I'm thinking of is cheese graters,

00:07:38 ◼   ► toasters, and file systems.

00:07:40 ◼   ► And I know those sound weird to you,

00:07:42 ◼   ► but those are three valid choices.

00:07:44 ◼   ► - It seems to be lunge for the bell again.

00:07:46 ◼   ► - Right, and so then you could have sent fan noise,

00:07:49 ◼   ► and then that was correct, and then the rest of your team

00:07:51 ◼   ► would have had three easy choices instead of coming up

00:07:54 ◼   ► with the wrong answers that they came up with

00:07:55 ◼   ► because they have no idea who I am.

00:07:57 ◼   ► - So I'm presently, I wish I had saved this.

00:07:59 ◼   ► I thought I had scanned it, but I didn't.

00:08:00 ◼   ► I'm rifling through my garbage.

00:08:01 ◼   ► Oh, here it is.

00:08:02 ◼   ► what I actually wrote down during the recording,

00:08:06 ◼   ► 'cause I was taking notes for myself.

00:08:07 ◼   ► All right, here we go.

00:08:08 ◼   ► What do I have here?

00:08:10 ◼   ► I have, I can't even read my own writing.

00:08:12 ◼   ► Noise/fans, file systems, cars, movies,

00:08:16 ◼   ► sprite, cheese graters,

00:08:17 ◼   ► this was in no particular order, by the way,

00:08:20 ◼   ► redundancy, I think, with regard to backups.

00:08:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, backup's someone you guessed,

00:08:23 ◼   ► and I can't believe that wasn't on the list.

00:08:24 ◼   ► As Jason noted, Jason said,

00:08:26 ◼   ► "I think Jon cares more about that

00:08:27 ◼   ► "than is represented in this survey."

00:08:29 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:08:30 ◼   ► Game controllers, which I think Marco had mentioned.

00:08:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, but too late.

00:08:34 ◼   ► - What does this say?

00:08:35 ◼   ► Oh, Simpsons and pop culture references.

00:08:38 ◼   ► That was my list of items that I had.

00:08:40 ◼   ► - It tails off pretty quickly,

00:08:41 ◼   ► but this is a reasonable top six.

00:08:43 ◼   ► - So you begrudgingly approve

00:08:46 ◼   ► or you just straight up approve?

00:08:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, so if we had to do it for Marco, ready?

00:08:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna do Marco here, let's see.

00:08:52 ◼   ► What would I say that the survey people would say?

00:08:55 ◼   ► I would say...

00:08:57 ◼   ► - See, how am I supposed to judge this?

00:08:59 ◼   ► 'Cause we don't have those sort of results.

00:09:01 ◼   ► - I know, I know, but you just gotta name things

00:09:03 ◼   ► that people would know about you.

00:09:06 ◼   ► - Things I care about.

00:09:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, right, I mean--

00:09:08 ◼   ► - Fish? - Yep, that's way up there.

00:09:11 ◼   ► I mean, I put it in the headers of our website,

00:09:13 ◼   ► for God's sake.

00:09:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:09:14 ◼   ► - I love that the three answers in the chat room

00:09:18 ◼   ► consistently between the three of them, spending money.

00:09:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:09:22 ◼   ► - There probably might have been something

00:09:24 ◼   ► about that in there, but Fish, I would throw in there.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Some people might say PHP just because it's one of the things you're known for.

00:09:33 ◼   ► I wouldn't say I care that much about PHP.

00:09:35 ◼   ► I know, I know.

00:09:36 ◼   ► But it's like what do people associate with you?

00:09:39 ◼   ► Fancy watches, maybe.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm falling out of that.

00:09:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:44 ◼   ► What would people say?

00:09:45 ◼   ► What if they have to like, what's on their index card for Marko?

00:09:47 ◼   ► New York?

00:09:48 ◼   ► Spending money.

00:09:49 ◼   ► No.

00:09:50 ◼   ► Headphones.

00:09:51 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that's a good one.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Pittsburgh is a deep cut.

00:09:54 ◼   ► I don't think that would be on the top list.

00:09:56 ◼   ► - I mean, I loved living there,

00:09:57 ◼   ► but that was a long time ago.

00:09:58 ◼   ► - And there would be, the difficult one is finding

00:10:00 ◼   ► like the Apple related stuff.

00:10:02 ◼   ► Would people say iPhone, would they say the Mac?

00:10:04 ◼   ► You know, like-- - Right, that's why

00:10:05 ◼   ► I kinda went with Apple, you know.

00:10:07 ◼   ► - Right, you know, iOS, right, stuff like that.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Podcasting, podcasts, something like that.

00:10:12 ◼   ► - Somebody said cars, and I reject that

00:10:15 ◼   ► because Marco drives an appliance now.

00:10:17 ◼   ► He doesn't drive a car anymore.

00:10:18 ◼   ► - I will say, I had quite a lot of time

00:10:20 ◼   ► in that appliance today, and I really quite enjoyed it.

00:10:25 ◼   ► - Well I guess Casey's talking about a Tesla, isn't he?

00:10:27 ◼   ► - Yes. - Sorry, I missed it.

00:10:29 ◼   ► I was in the Land Rover all day.

00:10:30 ◼   ► Which now, by the way, wears a watch,

00:10:31 ◼   ► but that's a separate story.

00:10:32 ◼   ► - The Land Rover wears a watch?

00:10:34 ◼   ► - That's correct.

00:10:35 ◼   ► - I do wanna unpack this at some point in the future,

00:10:37 ◼   ► so we'll put that in the show. - We'll get to it

00:10:38 ◼   ► in the watch discussion later.

00:10:40 ◼   ► - Oh, perfect, okay.

00:10:41 ◼   ► - All right then, I guess Marco, you do Casey now.

00:10:44 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:10:44 ◼   ► I thought I was gonna get away with this.

00:10:46 ◼   ► - How does somebody doing this for me

00:10:48 ◼   ► not mention "Fire Island" and "Dogs"?

00:10:51 ◼   ► - I mean, "Dogs" is so, like, who doesn't love it?

00:10:53 ◼   ► Oh, I like babies.

00:10:54 ◼   ► - I mean, okay, sure.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Do you like dogs more than I like dogs?

00:10:59 ◼   ► We both have one dog.

00:11:01 ◼   ► And I've owned more dogs than you.

00:11:03 ◼   ► - I've seen, well, let's see.

00:11:04 ◼   ► You like babies more than I do, for sure.

00:11:09 ◼   ► - There's not a human that likes babies more

00:11:11 ◼   ► than John Stavrosa.

00:11:11 ◼   ► - I know.

00:11:12 ◼   ► - I'm not super into babies.

00:11:13 ◼   ► - I think I like dogs more, but it's a close call,

00:11:16 ◼   ► 'cause you also love dogs, so yeah.

00:11:17 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

00:11:18 ◼   ► Everybody loves dogs.

00:11:19 ◼   ► Who doesn't love dogs?

00:11:20 ◼   ► - A lot of people.

00:11:21 ◼   ► I don't know how they survive.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:23 ◼   ► Like what is their joy in life if not for dogs?

00:11:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I was trying to do it from a survey respective.

00:11:28 ◼   ► Like people might not know that much about you

00:11:31 ◼   ► because it's not like we talk about,

00:11:32 ◼   ► you know, you mention your dog,

00:11:33 ◼   ► but it's not like you spend a lot of time

00:11:35 ◼   ► dwelling on it on the show or whatever.

00:11:36 ◼   ► So what's Casey?

00:11:37 ◼   ► Like, and again, these are the survey answers people--

00:11:39 ◼   ► - Cars, number one cars.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Like that's-- - Sure.

00:11:42 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know if that would be number one.

00:11:44 ◼   ► I think number one might be Velveeta, but you know.

00:11:46 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:48 ◼   ► But you know Velveeta would be on the list, right?

00:11:52 ◼   ► - See, the thing is, I actually don't care about Velveeta

00:11:54 ◼   ► as that much at all. - I know, but it's

00:11:55 ◼   ► on your index card. - But I 1000% agree

00:11:58 ◼   ► that it would end up on the list.

00:11:58 ◼   ► - Because it's like it's odd and it's a thing

00:12:01 ◼   ► that's associated with you.

00:12:02 ◼   ► - No, I completely agree, completely agree.

00:12:04 ◼   ► - I'm gonna say fatherhood.

00:12:06 ◼   ► - Oh, I appreciate that, that's kind of me.

00:12:07 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:12:08 ◼   ► - Because, in part, because you are super into it now,

00:12:11 ◼   ► but even before you were a father,

00:12:13 ◼   ► you were basically a dad to the world.

00:12:16 ◼   ► You would like-- - In the worst or good.

00:12:18 ◼   ► - You were constantly emitting dad jokes

00:12:21 ◼   ► and you know, dad energy. - Big dad energy.

00:12:23 ◼   ► - You want to just code for bad jokes?

00:12:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think so, that's all right.

00:12:26 ◼   ► I'll still take it as a compliment.

00:12:27 ◼   ► - When you're not a dad, they just call them bad jokes.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Once you become a dad, you have a new name for it,

00:12:30 ◼   ► but it's the same humor.

00:12:32 ◼   ► - I'm gonna take that, I don't know how that was meant,

00:12:34 ◼   ► but I'm gonna take it as a compliment,

00:12:34 ◼   ► so we can go on with that.

00:12:36 ◼   ► - I'd also, I gotta throw in Plex.

00:12:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, Plex is what it'd be on there.

00:12:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a good one, that's a good one.

00:12:40 ◼   ► I mean, but the Viber Slap is for Synology, right?

00:12:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's correct.

00:12:44 ◼   ► - And you know, you have to think of yourself

00:12:47 ◼   ► as a character on a TV show.

00:12:48 ◼   ► So you're looking for like catchphrases

00:12:50 ◼   ► or things that come up,

00:12:51 ◼   ► not necessarily things that are actually

00:12:52 ◼   ► the most important to you or that you care about,

00:12:53 ◼   ► but just that are odd enough that people would remember them

00:12:56 ◼   ► and associate with him.

00:12:56 ◼   ► So like Casey's not super into Velveeta,

00:12:59 ◼   ► but because we talk about it and we both don't like it

00:13:01 ◼   ► and he does, it becomes associated with him.

00:13:02 ◼   ► So anyway, that was a little game theory

00:13:04 ◼   ► in case you're ever on feuding families,

00:13:06 ◼   ► which is legally distinct from Family Feud.

00:13:08 ◼   ► - Oh, my word.

00:13:10 ◼   ► All right, so why did we play feuding families?

00:13:12 ◼   ► Thank you, Jon, that went in a direction

00:13:13 ◼   ► I was not expecting, but that was fun.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Why did we play feuding families?

00:13:16 ◼   ► like I mentioned earlier, it was because that we were trying to raise money for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:13:22 ◼   ► So here's the thing. You have at least one dollar, probably more than one, but at least one. And they would like to

00:13:28 ◼   ► accept that dollar and put it to good use. And maybe,

00:13:33 ◼   ► maybe that one dollar will be the one dollar that just tips them over the edge and being able to fund

00:13:40 ◼   ► the cure for childhood cancer. Yeah, it may not happen, but you never know. You never know. It could be your one dollar.

00:13:46 ◼   ► So here's the thing. You've got a dollar, maybe several, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands, and they would like to accept that one, several, or

00:13:53 ◼   ► hundreds, or thousands at stjude.org/ATP.

00:13:57 ◼   ► S-T-J-U-D-E dot org slash ATP. And if you can, and if you would like, you can throw a little bit of money towards St. Jude

00:14:04 ◼   ► Children's Research Hospital. Why St. Jude, you ask? Well, thank you for asking. It's because their mission,

00:14:10 ◼   ► which has been going on for 60 years, is to have no child

00:14:16 ◼   ► pass away from childhood cancer and they have made tremendous tremendous strides

00:14:21 ◼   ► in these last 60 years. I don't have the figures in front of me but they've

00:14:24 ◼   ► they've absolutely flipped the ratios from being absolutely terrible to at

00:14:29 ◼   ► least okay which is a humongous improvement if not actually good. So they

00:14:34 ◼   ► are working tirelessly to try to end childhood cancer. The research that they

00:14:39 ◼   ► do they share with the world so this isn't just an American thing. Yes the

00:14:42 ◼   ► American healthcare system is utterly and probably forever broken, but that's

00:14:47 ◼   ► not the only thing that St. Jude does. They help all of their families, even

00:14:51 ◼   ► international families, and they share all their research, and they do this

00:14:54 ◼   ► without charging families a dime, which is really incredible, especially here in

00:14:58 ◼   ► America. So please go to stjude.org/ATP and throw a little bit of money

00:15:03 ◼   ► their way. Also, I would like to do a little bit of quick follow-up with

00:15:06 ◼   ► regard to St. Jude. Guillaume has been located and stickers have already been

00:15:10 ◼   ► In fact, they may have already arrived.

00:15:12 ◼   ► He was the individual -- is, as far as I know --

00:15:15 ◼   ► the individual leader for individual donations.

00:15:18 ◼   ► And we still also want to send one more thanks

00:15:21 ◼   ► to the fine folks at 1Password,

00:15:22 ◼   ► who are far and away the group leaders.

00:15:25 ◼   ► But Guillaume was the individual leader.

00:15:27 ◼   ► So thank you, and stickers have been dispatched already.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Like I said, probably already there.

00:15:32 ◼   ► So, stjut.org/atp.

00:15:35 ◼   ► That being said, we have one more piece of housekeeping.

00:15:37 ◼   ► housekeeping, we also have another episode of ATP Movie Club for members. If you are not a member, you can go to ATP.fm/join

00:15:45 ◼   ► and you can become a member and you will get all of the episodes of ATP Movie Club.

00:15:49 ◼   ► We are going to do three. There's one already released. By the time you hear this, there will probably be a second and

00:15:55 ◼   ► this time it is my turn to pick a movie.

00:15:58 ◼   ► And we spent some time on the episode discussing why I picked this movie, if I'm not mistaken.

00:16:03 ◼   ► We recorded it a couple of weeks ago now, but I believe we did.

00:16:05 ◼   ► If we need to, we can cover that another time. But suffice it to say, I did not choose what everyone expected,

00:16:12 ◼   ► The Hunt for October. And instead I chose the, what is it, 2003? I should have this in front of me. I think it's 2003.

00:16:20 ◼   ► Classic, absolute classic, starring

00:16:24 ◼   ► Dwayne Johnson and Sean William Scott, The Rundown.

00:16:27 ◼   ► Absolutely without a shadow of a doubt a modern classic.

00:16:30 ◼   ► So, if you would like to hear me and Marco and John

00:16:34 ◼   ► discuss the modern classic, the 2003 film, The Rundown,

00:16:38 ◼   ► check it out at ATP.fm/join.

00:16:41 ◼   ► Oh, and we should also do one more

00:16:43 ◼   ► minor piece of housekeeping.

00:16:44 ◼   ► Marco, do you wanna talk about the bootleg

00:16:46 ◼   ► versus non-bootleg, et cetera, feeds

00:16:47 ◼   ► with regard to the movie club?

00:16:48 ◼   ► Please and thank you.

00:16:49 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah, so, since this is the very first

00:16:53 ◼   ► premium member content we ever published,

00:16:56 ◼   ► a bunch of weird edge cases and questions came up

00:16:58 ◼   ► as we were doing it and a couple of CMS bugs

00:17:00 ◼   ► even that I fixed, but anyway.

00:17:02 ◼   ► So the debate, the question came,

00:17:06 ◼   ► should this be in the bootleg feed?

00:17:09 ◼   ► 'Cause the bootleg contains the unedited livestreams

00:17:11 ◼   ► of the show and there was no unedited livestream

00:17:14 ◼   ► of the member specials.

00:17:16 ◼   ► It's just, there's only an edited version.

00:17:19 ◼   ► And so at first the CMS was unintentionally written quote,

00:17:24 ◼   ► written to only put it in the main feed,

00:17:27 ◼   ► but many members subscribe only to the bootleg feed

00:17:30 ◼   ► because that's just how they prefer to listen to the show.

00:17:32 ◼   ► They prefer the unedited show.

00:17:33 ◼   ► And so once I fixed the glitch,

00:17:36 ◼   ► there's actually a bug and unintended behavior

00:17:40 ◼   ► that it was leaving those out.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Now these will appear in both feeds.

00:17:44 ◼   ► So the only inconvenience is if you happen to subscribe

00:17:47 ◼   ► to both the member ad-free feed and the bootleg feed,

00:17:52 ◼   ► you will get two copies, one on each feed.

00:17:55 ◼   ► but I think most people pick one or the other

00:17:58 ◼   ► and don't usually subscribe to both.

00:17:59 ◼   ► And that way, no matter which feed you subscribe to,

00:18:03 ◼   ► if there is any member-specific content,

00:18:05 ◼   ► whether it has a bootleg version or not,

00:18:07 ◼   ► you will get that episode.

00:18:08 ◼   ► - I think this is one more opportunity to remind people

00:18:10 ◼   ► that hey, if you're an ATP member,

00:18:12 ◼   ► you get access to both of those things.

00:18:13 ◼   ► The bootleg feed, which is the unedited feed of the show,

00:18:16 ◼   ► which I'm not sure why people want to listen to,

00:18:18 ◼   ► but they do, and the edited feed,

00:18:20 ◼   ► which is the show as it's released to everybody,

00:18:23 ◼   ► but you get a version with no ads in it.

00:18:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's pretty sweet no matter how you slice it.

00:18:27 ◼   ► So ATP.fm/join.

00:18:30 ◼   ► Thank you for everyone who has already a member,

00:18:33 ◼   ► who has joined, who has commented on the recordings.

00:18:35 ◼   ► We had a lot of fun doing them.

00:18:37 ◼   ► Again, we don't have, sitting here now,

00:18:39 ◼   ► any particular plans for future members-only content.

00:18:42 ◼   ► I'm sure it will happen eventually,

00:18:44 ◼   ► but we aren't currently planning on making a habit of it,

00:18:47 ◼   ► but it was a lot of fun to do something

00:18:49 ◼   ► just for the members, 'cause we love everyone that listens.

00:18:51 ◼   ► We might love our members just to touch more though,

00:18:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna be honest.

00:18:54 ◼   ► So, ATP.fm/joy.

00:18:56 ◼   ► - And let us know what you think of it

00:18:57 ◼   ► and let us know your wacky ideas for members only content.

00:19:00 ◼   ► Again, no promises that we will listen to any of them,

00:19:02 ◼   ► but I love hearing them because you have a lot of good ideas.

00:19:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, that is genuinely very true.

00:19:06 ◼   ► The tough thing is, is that we're all very lazy

00:19:08 ◼   ► and we don't wanna do something super involved like by--

00:19:10 ◼   ► - Speak for yourself, I'm ready to do stuff all the time.

00:19:12 ◼   ► It's just, you know, if it's like go skydiving together,

00:19:14 ◼   ► it's probably not gonna happen, but hey, interesting idea.

00:19:16 ◼   ► - Well, but I think the thing that would be the most fun

00:19:18 ◼   ► would be for all of us to play Destiny together.

00:19:20 ◼   ► and I have no equipment with which to play Destiny.

00:19:23 ◼   ► - The thing that would be the most fun is Cooking with Jon,

00:19:24 ◼   ► but that just wants to be a video show,

00:19:26 ◼   ► and we can make video. - That's a lot of things

00:19:28 ◼   ► that have a high bar and that don't lend themselves

00:19:31 ◼   ► well to podcasting, so keep that in mind when suggested.

00:19:34 ◼   ► - Someday we're gonna find a way to do

00:19:35 ◼   ► Cooking with Jon in audio form.

00:19:36 ◼   ► I don't know how, I was thinking earlier,

00:19:38 ◼   ► like, how could we do this?

00:19:40 ◼   ► - What if we did the sort of thing where,

00:19:43 ◼   ► is it Brad and Mike do the Build a Lego set,

00:19:47 ◼   ► but only one of them has the instructions

00:19:49 ◼   ► and the other one is doing the building for,

00:19:51 ◼   ► isn't that their member special on Relay every year?

00:19:53 ◼   ► What if we did something like that?

00:19:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I think that even that kind of thing,

00:19:56 ◼   ► I think that wants to be video.

00:19:58 ◼   ► And Cooking with Jon,

00:20:00 ◼   ► it has to be like a live reaction video.

00:20:03 ◼   ► You have to have Jon live reacting to one of us

00:20:06 ◼   ► trying to cook food in his style

00:20:08 ◼   ► and doing everything wrong.

00:20:10 ◼   ► That's what that show would be.

00:20:12 ◼   ► And yeah, I don't know how we do that in audio form.

00:20:15 ◼   ► - Let me remind you, if I remember,

00:20:17 ◼   ► I will put it in the show notes,

00:20:18 ◼   ► But I, well, all three of us, it wasn't just me,

00:20:20 ◼   ► all three of us were together many moons ago

00:20:22 ◼   ► at John's house around Christmas time.

00:20:24 ◼   ► I don't remember exactly when it was.

00:20:24 ◼   ► - This is just a big trauma in your life.

00:20:26 ◼   ► You've repeated it like six times in the show.

00:20:28 ◼   ► - It is a trauma. - I'm sorry,

00:20:28 ◼   ► this is such a profound--

00:20:30 ◼   ► - It was a profound moment in my life, John.

00:20:33 ◼   ► He asked me to help him make pizza,

00:20:35 ◼   ► and my recollection of the pizza was that

00:20:36 ◼   ► it was very, very good.

00:20:37 ◼   ► I was happy to help him make pizza.

00:20:39 ◼   ► He asked me to shred, what was it, mozzarella?

00:20:41 ◼   ► I don't even remember what cheese it was.

00:20:42 ◼   ► It was surely mozzarella, and I attempted to shred it,

00:20:46 ◼   ► and he immediately was aghast.

00:20:48 ◼   ► and informed me that I had done this utterly incorrectly,

00:20:51 ◼   ► took his beloved cheese grater from my cold, dead hands,

00:20:55 ◼   ► which had died from embarrassment,

00:20:57 ◼   ► and then immediately, on the same plate,

00:21:00 ◼   ► showed me and instructed me on the correct way

00:21:02 ◼   ► to grate cheese.

00:21:03 ◼   ► So cooking with Jon should happen eventually one day,

00:21:06 ◼   ► but no promises.

00:21:07 ◼   ► - You were doing it like someone

00:21:08 ◼   ► who had never grated cheese before.

00:21:10 ◼   ► - Right, probably. - Like literally

00:21:10 ◼   ► had never done it before.

00:21:11 ◼   ► - I had done it before, but not a lot.

00:21:13 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, it showed, so that's why I said,

00:21:15 ◼   ► like, if you're not, you know--

00:21:16 ◼   ► - I found it, I found it, all right.

00:21:18 ◼   ► - I just needed to take over.

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00:23:17 ◼   ► - All right, can you tell me, John,

00:23:23 ◼   ► about Apple Pay looking for a quote unquote

00:23:25 ◼   ► valid address, please?

00:23:26 ◼   ► - I complain about this.

00:23:27 ◼   ► Last week, the Etsy was rejecting my Apple Pay payments

00:23:30 ◼   ► because they thought all my addresses were invalid,

00:23:32 ◼   ► and then I got the same rejection

00:23:33 ◼   ► when I was buying my iPhone,

00:23:34 ◼   ► but luckily it went through eventually.

00:23:35 ◼   ► Tons of people wrote in to say,

00:23:37 ◼   ► "Hey, I've had that happen to me as well."

00:23:39 ◼   ► It's very difficult to tell whether it actually is a problem

00:23:41 ◼   ► or it's just that when you say you've experienced a problem,

00:23:43 ◼   ► you'll hear from all the other people

00:23:44 ◼   ► who did experience the problem.

00:23:46 ◼   ► So I don't know if this is a new thing or whatever,

00:23:49 ◼   ► but it is very common.

00:23:51 ◼   ► Graham Dobbie wrote in about an Apple Pay issue

00:23:54 ◼   ► that he was having at Etsy as well.

00:23:56 ◼   ► He said, "I had the same issue paying Etsy using Apple Pay.

00:24:00 ◼   ► "No combination of changing or deleting addresses

00:24:02 ◼   ► "made any difference,

00:24:02 ◼   ► "but Apple Pay worked perfectly well on other websites.

00:24:05 ◼   ► "After back and forth with Etsy support,

00:24:06 ◼   ► the issue was left unresolved. The last I heard was this quote, "Our team is still

00:24:11 ◼   ► looking into things with the engineers. In the meantime, checking out not using

00:24:15 ◼   ► Apple Pay will allow you to proceed with the purchase." This was in October 2018. So

00:24:20 ◼   ► that does not bode well for Etsy working out whatever the problem was with Apple

00:24:24 ◼   ► Pay on their website. That's not great. The only thing I heard about this that

00:24:28 ◼   ► was sort of substantive and not like, you know, just like people relaying their own

00:24:31 ◼   ► experiences was the idea that some shipping or logistics companies will give you a discount,

00:24:39 ◼   ► will give the site, the store, the e-commerce site, a discount on their shipping if the

00:24:45 ◼   ► address that they send to is on their pre-approved list of known valid addresses or whatever,

00:24:51 ◼   ► right?

00:24:52 ◼   ► Because that's what explains why would a store ever stop you from checking out?

00:24:55 ◼   ► You don't want anything in the checkout flow that stops you from making the purchase.

00:25:00 ◼   ► So what could possibly motivate sites to do this or payment processors to do this?

00:25:05 ◼   ► And when it comes to the sites doing this, because websites also tend to complain about

00:25:08 ◼   ► your address or offer you alternatives or whatever, is they're trying to get a cheaper

00:25:12 ◼   ► shipping rate for themselves.

00:25:14 ◼   ► Whether or not they pass that on to you.

00:25:15 ◼   ► They're trying to get a cheaper shipping rate and saying, "Hey, you entered 123 Main Street.

00:25:21 ◼   ► You sure you didn't mean this address?"

00:25:23 ◼   ► It's always in all caps.

00:25:24 ◼   ► "123 Main ST period.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Would you like to send to that one?"

00:25:28 ◼   ► And usually you can pick, no, I want to send to the one

00:25:29 ◼   ► that I wrote, not the one that you wrote.

00:25:31 ◼   ► But in some cases, in some countries, in some situations,

00:25:34 ◼   ► there is a financial incentive for them to only send

00:25:37 ◼   ► to one of these lists of pre-approved addresses.

00:25:40 ◼   ► And maybe that has something to do with what's happening

00:25:42 ◼   ► with that play thing.

00:25:43 ◼   ► Or it could be something totally unrelated.

00:25:45 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:25:46 ◼   ► But anyway, it's a common problem

00:25:48 ◼   ► and no one knows the solution.

00:25:49 ◼   ► - So the iPhone 14, 14 Pro and 14 Max have all been released.

00:25:53 ◼   ► We're going to talk about that in a little bit.

00:25:55 ◼   ► But the iPhone 14 in particular has a completely new design.

00:26:00 ◼   ► And reading from iFixit,

00:26:03 ◼   ► Apple has completely redesigned the internals

00:26:04 ◼   ► of the iPhone 14 to make it easier to repair.

00:26:07 ◼   ► It is not at all visible from the outside,

00:26:08 ◼   ► but this is a big deal.

00:26:10 ◼   ► It's the most significant design change

00:26:11 ◼   ► to the iPhone in a long time.

00:26:12 ◼   ► The iPhone 14 Pro and Pro Max models

00:26:14 ◼   ► still have the old architecture.

00:26:16 ◼   ► When you drop an iPhone 13,

00:26:17 ◼   ► its metal frame absorbs that shock,

00:26:19 ◼   ► transmitting and spreading the force

00:26:21 ◼   ► across the glued-in battery and sturdily adhered rear glass.

00:26:25 ◼   ► The iPhone 14 meets the same challenge,

00:26:27 ◼   ► but it achieves the required torsional rigidity

00:26:30 ◼   ► in a totally different way.

00:26:31 ◼   ► A new mid-frame sits between the display

00:26:34 ◼   ► and the guts of the phone

00:26:35 ◼   ► and takes the brunt of forced distribution

00:26:37 ◼   ► across the frame and battery.

00:26:39 ◼   ► That is super cool, and in a way,

00:26:41 ◼   ► I kinda wish I had a 14 and not a 14 Pro.

00:26:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, the big sale here is like,

00:26:45 ◼   ► it used to be that phones you could open up

00:26:47 ◼   ► from the screen side, like you'd pop off the screen,

00:26:50 ◼   ► and then you could replace the screen and do other stuff,

00:26:53 ◼   ► but you couldn't open it from the back.

00:26:55 ◼   ► It was basically like a bathtub kind of,

00:26:57 ◼   ► and then the screen with the lid on the top.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So if you needed to replace something

00:27:00 ◼   ► that was basically exposed on the back of the phone,

00:27:03 ◼   ► you would have to open up the front,

00:27:05 ◼   ► dig out all of the guts, and get to the thing

00:27:07 ◼   ► that was underneath that you wanted to repair.

00:27:09 ◼   ► And the new 14, you can open it from the front or the back,

00:27:13 ◼   ► and the mid-frame they're talking about,

00:27:15 ◼   ► it's like there's a, you know,

00:27:16 ◼   ► so there's the ring around the outside that you feel,

00:27:18 ◼   ► you know, when you grab the phone,

00:27:19 ◼   ► and then inside the phone there's this skinny metal piece

00:27:23 ◼   ► that sits kind of in the middle of the sandwich

00:27:25 ◼   ► and the back stuff is on the back side of that

00:27:27 ◼   ► and the front stuff is on the front side of that.

00:27:29 ◼   ► So if you wanna replace something that's on the back,

00:27:31 ◼   ► now you can take off the back part.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Or if you break the back,

00:27:34 ◼   ► like if you break the glass back on your iPhone,

00:27:37 ◼   ► now they can just take off that back glass and replace it.

00:27:40 ◼   ► Or if you wanna get it something

00:27:41 ◼   ► that's on the very back of the iPhone,

00:27:43 ◼   ► you can just pry off the back glass

00:27:45 ◼   ► and get it out immediately and the screen's the same deal.

00:27:47 ◼   ► If you just wanna replace the screen,

00:27:48 ◼   ► you pull that off the front of the phone.

00:27:49 ◼   ► Way more repairable.

00:27:50 ◼   ► You should watch the video of like how well

00:27:52 ◼   ► they've done this, how all the connectors

00:27:54 ◼   ► are threaded through and you could remove all the pieces.

00:27:57 ◼   ► Big change in repairability.

00:28:00 ◼   ► And as you noted, the Pro and the Pro Max

00:28:04 ◼   ► do not have this new design.

00:28:06 ◼   ► They still have the old design where you can open up

00:28:09 ◼   ► the front real easily but the back is just one piece

00:28:12 ◼   ► and it's really difficult to do.

00:28:14 ◼   ► And that is reflected in the repair prices.

00:28:16 ◼   ► So this is like no Apple Care, out of warranty,

00:28:19 ◼   ► like you broke it, how much does it cost to fix it?

00:28:21 ◼   ► The iPhone 14, if you break the back glass,

00:28:24 ◼   ► $150 to repair it if it's out of warranty,

00:28:26 ◼   ► you know, no Apple Care. - That's nothing.

00:28:28 ◼   ► - That's awesome. - That's amazing.

00:28:30 ◼   ► - The iPhone 14 Pro Max, $550 for that same thing.

00:28:34 ◼   ► - Oh, golly. (laughing)

00:28:36 ◼   ► - And the iFixit people say,

00:28:37 ◼   ► and like that's not because they're ripping you off,

00:28:39 ◼   ► it's because the huge amount of labor,

00:28:41 ◼   ► and like 'cause you have to basically pull all the guts

00:28:43 ◼   ► out of the phone to get,

00:28:44 ◼   ► because you have to remove the part that's broken.

00:28:48 ◼   ► You gotta pull all the guts out of it.

00:28:49 ◼   ► They even show, in one of the older phones,

00:28:51 ◼   ► probably sure the new ones too,

00:28:52 ◼   ► to get to sort of unglue the back from the MagSafe,

00:28:56 ◼   ► or the, what do you call it,

00:28:58 ◼   ► the wireless charging coil or whatever.

00:29:00 ◼   ► They had a laser they would use to burn off the adhesive

00:29:03 ◼   ► and it would go back and forth,

00:29:04 ◼   ► or you'd have to shatter the glass

00:29:06 ◼   ► and pull off the little shards of glass with tweezers.

00:29:09 ◼   ► It was expensive because it took a huge amount of time

00:29:11 ◼   ► and it was so labor intensive.

00:29:12 ◼   ► So it's fascinating that the iPhone 14,

00:29:14 ◼   ► the non-pro one, has this way better design

00:29:17 ◼   ► for repairability, but the expensive phones don't.

00:29:21 ◼   ► And you know, I think it will eventually trickle up

00:29:24 ◼   ► to the rest of the iPhone line,

00:29:26 ◼   ► because people are like, "I wonder why Apple's doing this,

00:29:28 ◼   ► "or they're being so nice."

00:29:29 ◼   ► No, of course Apple's doing this.

00:29:31 ◼   ► When they have repairs that are easier to do,

00:29:34 ◼   ► that helps them, because you get fewer botched repairs

00:29:36 ◼   ► and fewer situations, so you have to like,

00:29:38 ◼   ► "Oh, we screwed up your phone trying to repair it,

00:29:40 ◼   ► "and we have to give you a whole new phone," or whatever.

00:29:42 ◼   ► repairability helps Apple a lot.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Helps customers a little too,

00:29:45 ◼   ► in terms of paying less when you break it or whatever,

00:29:47 ◼   ► but there's no question about why Apple would be motivated

00:29:51 ◼   ► to make its phones easier to repair.

00:29:53 ◼   ► That's why almost everything they've done

00:29:54 ◼   ► with all their products to make it easier to repair

00:29:56 ◼   ► is easy to justify because hey,

00:29:58 ◼   ► if someone comes in with a MacBook Air

00:30:00 ◼   ► and they broke the USB port, wouldn't it be great

00:30:02 ◼   ► if we could just remove the little USB port?

00:30:03 ◼   ► Yeah, so that's why it's on a sub-module.

00:30:05 ◼   ► It just makes the repair faster and easier,

00:30:06 ◼   ► gets the customer in and out faster.

00:30:08 ◼   ► And if it's under warranty,

00:30:09 ◼   ► you don't have to pay for a whole new logic board, right?

00:30:11 ◼   ► So this makes a lot of sense.

00:30:13 ◼   ► It's just a shame that it didn't make it

00:30:14 ◼   ► to the expensive phones,

00:30:15 ◼   ► but watch for it in the next few years.

00:30:17 ◼   ► - So with regard to US phones,

00:30:19 ◼   ► they don't have any sort of SIM slot,

00:30:23 ◼   ► or at least so we think,

00:30:24 ◼   ► but then iFixit opened it up,

00:30:26 ◼   ► and apparently there is the space for it.

00:30:29 ◼   ► It wasn't used for anything else,

00:30:30 ◼   ► and they just put a little plastic spacer in there.

00:30:32 ◼   ► So reading from iFixit,

00:30:34 ◼   ► it's still a little eerie and very un-Apple-like

00:30:36 ◼   ► to weigh space like this.

00:30:37 ◼   ► The plastic spacer is roughly the same size

00:30:38 ◼   ► as a two-by-two Lego brick and weighs half a gram.

00:30:41 ◼   ► - You should look at the picture of it on the iFixit thing.

00:30:43 ◼   ► It's literally like just a chunk of inert plastic,

00:30:45 ◼   ► just a space filler.

00:30:47 ◼   ► So, you know, we talked about that not having a SIM tray

00:30:50 ◼   ► gives you more internal space that you can fill with stuff.

00:30:52 ◼   ► In this phone, they have not filled it with stuff

00:30:54 ◼   ► because I mean, I guess, I think it's only the US phones

00:30:57 ◼   ► that don't have a SIM tray.

00:30:58 ◼   ► Well, anyway, the majority of phones

00:31:01 ◼   ► are sold outside the US, I would imagine,

00:31:03 ◼   ► if you count all the rest of the world

00:31:05 ◼   ► and they didn't wanna make two different models.

00:31:07 ◼   ► So yeah, we don't get that space savings.

00:31:10 ◼   ► But as soon as they can go eSIM everywhere,

00:31:12 ◼   ► you can bet they're gonna reclaim that space.

00:31:13 ◼   ► But it is hilarious that in this like tightest of spaces

00:31:17 ◼   ► where they have so many components jammed in and everything,

00:31:20 ◼   ► they basically just designed the same phone.

00:31:21 ◼   ► And they said, you know what, in the US ones,

00:31:23 ◼   ► the band around the outside won't have a hole in it.

00:31:25 ◼   ► And inside, you can see all the contacts

00:31:27 ◼   ► where the SIM tray would go.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Like the board is the same, everything's the same.

00:31:30 ◼   ► There's just no SIM tray,

00:31:31 ◼   ► but we have to put something there,

00:31:32 ◼   ► you know, for rigidity or whatever, little plastic spacer.

00:31:35 ◼   ► - Nice.

00:31:36 ◼   ► John, tell me about your phone case or cases.

00:31:39 ◼   ► I'm gonna talk more about my,

00:31:41 ◼   ► well, I'll talk more about our purchase experiences

00:31:43 ◼   ► a little later, but people wanted to know

00:31:45 ◼   ► what kind of cases I'm getting.

00:31:46 ◼   ► I mentioned last week that I had ordered

00:31:48 ◼   ► the bull strap black leather case

00:31:49 ◼   ► with an open bottom on it and mag safe.

00:31:52 ◼   ► And we'll put another link to that in this week's show notes

00:31:54 ◼   ► so you can find it.

00:31:55 ◼   ► I ordered a second leather case just because,

00:31:57 ◼   ► I don't know, redundancy, I'll talk about them in the show.

00:32:00 ◼   ► This one is from,

00:32:02 ◼   ► in case I didn't like the bull strap case,

00:32:03 ◼   ► 'cause I know I'm probably not gonna like the buttons

00:32:05 ◼   ► on the bull strap case, right?

00:32:07 ◼   ► I ordered a second one from Ryan London,

00:32:09 ◼   ► and it's a black leather case with an open bottom, shocker.

00:32:13 ◼   ► The buttons look a little bit different

00:32:14 ◼   ► than they do on the Bullstrap.

00:32:16 ◼   ► We'll see how it goes.

00:32:17 ◼   ► - I also, I have a couple of case updates too.

00:32:20 ◼   ► I have the Apple Clear case for my iPhone 14,

00:32:23 ◼   ► which this is the first year

00:32:25 ◼   ► I've actually gotten Apple's Clear case.

00:32:26 ◼   ► Like I started experimenting with Clear cases last year,

00:32:30 ◼   ► and I'd used some third party ones,

00:32:33 ◼   ► and they were decent overall, fine.

00:32:36 ◼   ► This year, the only one I could get on day one

00:32:39 ◼   ► for guaranteed day one delivery was apples.

00:32:41 ◼   ► And so I thought, oh, let me give it a try.

00:32:43 ◼   ► Maybe I won't like it, but I at least wanna live with it.

00:32:46 ◼   ► And it's actually okay.

00:32:48 ◼   ► I'm actually enjoying it.

00:32:50 ◼   ► I think it is much nicer looking

00:32:53 ◼   ► than the third party ones that I've used.

00:32:55 ◼   ► We'll see how it ages.

00:32:57 ◼   ► Clear cases have a tendency to yellow over time.

00:32:59 ◼   ► Even the ones that say they have anti-yellowing technology

00:33:02 ◼   ► also themselves do yellow over time.

00:33:06 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:33:07 ◼   ► And this is, as Jon mentioned last week,

00:33:09 ◼   ► the only Apple phone case that's sold right now

00:33:14 ◼   ► that has an open bottom.

00:33:16 ◼   ► And as much as it pains me to admit it,

00:33:20 ◼   ► I think Jon was right.

00:33:22 ◼   ► I think open bottoms are awesome.

00:33:24 ◼   ► - I think the open bottom is better,

00:33:26 ◼   ► but, and I'm jumping ahead a little bit here,

00:33:29 ◼   ► but I have the official Apple leather case.

00:33:31 ◼   ► It definitely has a non-open bottom,

00:33:33 ◼   ► and you can feel it when you do

00:33:34 ◼   ► the little swipey-up home gesture.

00:33:35 ◼   ► It does not bother me.

00:33:36 ◼   ► In the story of ATP for the last 10 years,

00:33:39 ◼   ► it does not bother me nearly as much

00:33:41 ◼   ► as it bothers either of you.

00:33:42 ◼   ► - And remember the correct nomenclature of this

00:33:44 ◼   ► is bare bottom.

00:33:45 ◼   ► That's what we're going on.

00:33:46 ◼   ► - Oh, my mistake. - It's not open bottom.

00:33:47 ◼   ► Slightly more appealing, I feel like.

00:33:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, fair.

00:33:50 ◼   ► - So if we're doing this now, then we're doing this now.

00:33:52 ◼   ► - Good to see.

00:33:53 ◼   ► - Oh, gosh.

00:33:54 ◼   ► - Please, stop.

00:33:55 ◼   ► I was gonna say this for later,

00:33:57 ◼   ► but since Marco mentioned it, I also got the clear case.

00:33:59 ◼   ► As mentioned before, this is my tied me over case

00:34:02 ◼   ► because both of those leather cases

00:34:03 ◼   ► are coming like mid-October or something.

00:34:05 ◼   ► best case scenario, so I need a case until then,

00:34:07 ◼   ► so I got the clear Apple one,

00:34:08 ◼   ► because it's got the open bottom.

00:34:10 ◼   ► This is the worst case I have ever owned.

00:34:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:34:14 ◼   ► For any iPhone.

00:34:15 ◼   ► - Oh my word.

00:34:16 ◼   ► - I like it, it's all right.

00:34:17 ◼   ► - I didn't think it was gonna be a big deal.

00:34:19 ◼   ► Ah, it's a clear case, I don't like how it looks,

00:34:21 ◼   ► it'll probably feel weird, but you know, whatever,

00:34:23 ◼   ► it's just it's hiding me over.

00:34:24 ◼   ► I was not prepared for the thing that would bother me

00:34:26 ◼   ► the most about this case.

00:34:27 ◼   ► It's not, oh, you get crumbs underneath it,

00:34:29 ◼   ► it's not like, oh, it's too slippery or whatever,

00:34:31 ◼   ► it's not that it's clear and ugly or whatever,

00:34:33 ◼   ► All those things are factors,

00:34:34 ◼   ► but I knew about those and think it would be fine.

00:34:36 ◼   ► I don't know if you're gonna be able to hear this.

00:34:38 ◼   ► See if you, I'm gonna put this in front of my microphone.

00:34:40 ◼   ► See if you can pick this up at all.

00:34:41 ◼   ► If not, then I will just describe it later.

00:34:43 ◼   ► - I hear some like crinkling almost.

00:34:46 ◼   ► - Is that like when you push the buttons?

00:34:48 ◼   ► Is it making a creaking sound?

00:34:49 ◼   ► - When I put my phone into this case,

00:34:51 ◼   ► directly out of the box, directly into the case,

00:34:54 ◼   ► like not touched by human hands, clean room style, right?

00:34:57 ◼   ► So phone case goes in or whatever.

00:35:00 ◼   ► this thing creaks inside this case like crazy.

00:35:05 ◼   ► It's like the phone is constantly moving micrometers

00:35:08 ◼   ► back and forth and each time it does,

00:35:10 ◼   ► it overcomes the static friction against the case

00:35:13 ◼   ► and then re-sticks to it.

00:35:14 ◼   ► It's like, click, click, click, click.

00:35:15 ◼   ► You can imagine like something's sticking to it

00:35:17 ◼   ► and then pulling away, sticking to it.

00:35:18 ◼   ► Every time I pick up this phone, I feel the case move.

00:35:21 ◼   ► It moves in, it moves out, the phone moves up, moves down.

00:35:24 ◼   ► You'll be saying,

00:35:24 ◼   ► "Maybe you don't have the phone seated all the way.

00:35:26 ◼   ► "Believe me, I checked a million times."

00:35:27 ◼   ► Is this not seated?

00:35:29 ◼   ► Is it not in the case?

00:35:30 ◼   ► It's in the case.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Every time I grab my phone, it's like this case,

00:35:35 ◼   ► does like, it's not like it doesn't fit,

00:35:37 ◼   ► it's not like it's too loose, but it creaks and it moves.

00:35:40 ◼   ► It feels terrible, it sounds terrible,

00:35:42 ◼   ► I thought it would get broken in overtime,

00:35:44 ◼   ► like maybe it's just creaking because it's new,

00:35:45 ◼   ► but it hasn't.

00:35:46 ◼   ► Every time I pick up my phone, I hate this case more.

00:35:49 ◼   ► - Oh my word. - Nothing like the puns

00:35:50 ◼   ► being weird, nothing to do with the ugliness,

00:35:52 ◼   ► nothing to do with the crumbs, all those things happen.

00:35:55 ◼   ► I cannot stand this case.

00:35:57 ◼   ► I've almost thought of like,

00:35:58 ◼   ► maybe I should just go bare without it,

00:35:59 ◼   ► 'cause it's so bad.

00:36:01 ◼   ► How could they screw this up so badly?

00:36:03 ◼   ► When I pick up my phone, I don't wanna feel anything move,

00:36:05 ◼   ► let alone hear creaking or snapping or pulling away.

00:36:09 ◼   ► Oh, it's so bad, so bad, I hate it so much.

00:36:11 ◼   ► - I mean, for whatever it's worth,

00:36:13 ◼   ► mine doesn't do any of those things,

00:36:14 ◼   ► and I have the exact same phone in the exact same case,

00:36:16 ◼   ► so maybe it's just a flaw?

00:36:18 ◼   ► - Can you like pick up your phone now

00:36:21 ◼   ► and like do a little bit of torsional rigidity check?

00:36:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:36:24 ◼   ► - Do you feel the case moving?

00:36:26 ◼   ► - If I like literally twist the phone,

00:36:28 ◼   ► Like I can get a very-- - Like a little tiny bit.

00:36:30 ◼   ► - Very slight movement, but I've literally,

00:36:32 ◼   ► like in regular picking up and handling it,

00:36:34 ◼   ► that never happens.

00:36:35 ◼   ► - Pick up the phone, put your fans on either side of it,

00:36:37 ◼   ► and just squeeze, just squeeze the sides.

00:36:39 ◼   ► Does the case move?

00:36:40 ◼   ► - My fingers just cracked. (laughs)

00:36:42 ◼   ► But no, the case does not move, no.

00:36:44 ◼   ► - My case does.

00:36:45 ◼   ► If I'm squeezing, like where the,

00:36:47 ◼   ► look on the back where the circle

00:36:48 ◼   ► almost meets the vertical line,

00:36:50 ◼   ► put your fingers on the opposite side of that and squeeze.

00:36:53 ◼   ► - I mean, it's kinda low,

00:36:53 ◼   ► but no, it's also not there either, no.

00:36:56 ◼   ► No matter where I squeeze on the sides, it doesn't do it.

00:36:57 ◼   ► Maybe my case is flawed or has some problem with it

00:37:01 ◼   ► or whatever, but it is so bad.

00:37:03 ◼   ► And you wouldn't think this would bother you that much.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Every time I pick it up, I grab it,

00:37:07 ◼   ► and it's like I feel that case move,

00:37:08 ◼   ► and it feels insecure, and it feels gross,

00:37:10 ◼   ► and I hate it, I hate it so much.

00:37:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, mine definitely does not do that.

00:37:14 ◼   ► The only complaint I have about this case

00:37:16 ◼   ► is that it is not as grippy feeling

00:37:19 ◼   ► as the third-party ones are.

00:37:21 ◼   ► The Apple cases have made for me

00:37:23 ◼   ► like a little bit harder plastic

00:37:24 ◼   ► that's a little bit less tacky.

00:37:27 ◼   ► but it's fine, I mean, you know, once,

00:37:29 ◼   ► it was kind of weird the very first day,

00:37:30 ◼   ► it seemed to be, I guess for manufacturing or something,

00:37:33 ◼   ► it seemed to be coated in like a slight layer

00:37:35 ◼   ► of like grease almost.

00:37:37 ◼   ► - Oh neat.

00:37:38 ◼   ► - That was kind of off-putting,

00:37:39 ◼   ► but you know, within one day of handling it,

00:37:42 ◼   ► that all had rubbed off,

00:37:43 ◼   ► and so now it just feels like plastic and it feels fine.

00:37:46 ◼   ► Yeah, I like, you know, we'll see how it ages,

00:37:49 ◼   ► but so far I like it a lot.

00:37:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, obviously this will be immediately coming

00:37:53 ◼   ► out of the phone when any of my other cases come,

00:37:54 ◼   ► but in the meantime I'm just grinding my teeth and burying it.

00:37:58 ◼   ► - Oh, I'll also say that the only other case

00:38:00 ◼   ► I've ordered so far is the only one

00:38:03 ◼   ► that I couldn't get last year

00:38:05 ◼   ► due to various back order issues

00:38:07 ◼   ► that everyone recommended, the Pitaka.

00:38:10 ◼   ► So I have that one coming, it's gonna be here

00:38:12 ◼   ► I think in a few days and I'll let you know how it goes.

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00:40:16 ◼   ► I would like to do a very brief bit of long-term follow-up with regard to my channels setup

00:40:23 ◼   ► and HD Home Run.

00:40:26 ◼   ► And if you recall, the way I had things working previously is that I used TV Everywhere to

00:40:30 ◼   ► log into my Fios account, and that would let me stream things to the channels app.

00:40:36 ◼   ► But I had heard through the grapevine that the right way to do this is to do what Jon

00:40:41 ◼   ► did which is get a HD home run prime I believe it's called and that has a cable card input

00:40:48 ◼   ► and that would let you if you speak to your cable company if they support it that would

00:40:53 ◼   ► let you get basically everything that you get on cable except maybe like premium channels

00:40:57 ◼   ► which I don't pay for anyway and you don't have to stream it it's not coming across the

00:41:01 ◼   ► air or anything like that it's pretty much exactly like having a TiVo right John right

00:41:05 ◼   ► anyway so I had a listener who was kind enough to send one of these to me and I sat on it

00:41:10 ◼   ► for a couple of weeks, then I finally got around

00:41:11 ◼   ► to asking my Verizon Fios people for a cable card.

00:41:15 ◼   ► That came in.

00:41:16 ◼   ► It is, which I knew but had forgotten,

00:41:19 ◼   ► it is pretty much a PCMCIA card.

00:41:22 ◼   ► Most of you are probably like, what's that?

00:41:24 ◼   ► Which is the correct response.

00:41:26 ◼   ► - That's amazing.

00:41:27 ◼   ► - You just mean, it's a PC card though,

00:41:28 ◼   ► it's not a PCMCIA card, right?

00:41:30 ◼   ► - What's the difference?

00:41:31 ◼   ► - It's just, they later renamed it to PC card.

00:41:33 ◼   ► - That's what I thought.

00:41:34 ◼   ► - Right, but it's a newer, isn't PC card a newer standard?

00:41:37 ◼   ► - It might be like, you know, version two of the same thing,

00:41:39 ◼   ► but I think it was just a shortening of the name

00:41:42 ◼   ► in a newer version to make it a little bit more

00:41:44 ◼   ► consumer friendly than a PCMCI.

00:41:47 ◼   ► - It's like a PCI, the PCI bus version two

00:41:50 ◼   ► versus PCI bus version three,

00:41:51 ◼   ► except that they renamed it between two and three, I think.

00:41:53 ◼   ► But anyway, you can say PC card.

00:41:55 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Regardless.

00:41:57 ◼   ► - If you say PC card, people might think

00:41:59 ◼   ► like just a slot card, like a PCI card that you put in a PC.

00:42:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know, they picked a bad name.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, they went from one bad name

00:42:06 ◼   ► to a slightly less bad name.

00:42:08 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:42:09 ◼   ► - Good thing we have USB 4 version 2.0 coming soon.

00:42:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, right, exactly.

00:42:14 ◼   ► Yeah, same as it ever was.

00:42:15 ◼   ► Yeah, and I'm looking,

00:42:16 ◼   ► I'm glancing at the Wikipedia entries.

00:42:17 ◼   ► There is a different entry for PC card versus PCMCIA.

00:42:21 ◼   ► I'm unclear, oh, I guess PCMCIA is the association,

00:42:24 ◼   ► whereas the PC card is, strictly speaking,

00:42:27 ◼   ► you're right, Jon.

00:42:28 ◼   ► - I believe that was retconned that way.

00:42:30 ◼   ► - See, okay, that's what I thought too.

00:42:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, that's the way all these names work,

00:42:32 ◼   ► like USB 3.0 Gen 2, choose to be USB 3.2 or whatever.

00:42:38 ◼   ► - When they briefly did two by two, USB 3.0, 3.2, two by two.

00:42:43 ◼   ► - PCMCIA has something going for it,

00:42:45 ◼   ► the USB 4 version 2.0 hasn't dared to do yet,

00:42:49 ◼   ► Roman numerals, throw them in the mix, why not?

00:42:52 ◼   ► 'Cause they've got type two, type three, type four,

00:42:54 ◼   ► all Roman numerals.

00:42:55 ◼   ► - Nice, in any case, so yeah, the cable card is to my eyes,

00:42:59 ◼   ► I don't care if it's PCMCIA, PC card, whatever,

00:43:01 ◼   ► it's one of those things.

00:43:02 ◼   ► One of the things that us people like Marco and me

00:43:04 ◼   ► would get a PCMCIA wireless adapter for our laptops

00:43:09 ◼   ► back when we were at college.

00:43:10 ◼   ► That was the last time I had worked with one of these.

00:43:12 ◼   ► And we talked about X jack, or whatever it's called,

00:43:15 ◼   ► where you had a modem and the little thing would,

00:43:17 ◼   ► what do you call that, where you push in

00:43:19 ◼   ► and the thing pops out.

00:43:20 ◼   ► It had a little receptacle for the RJ11, it was super cool.

00:43:23 ◼   ► - You call it really breakable.

00:43:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, well that's a fact, that's a fact.

00:43:26 ◼   ► So anyway, so I get this HDHomer and Trime

00:43:29 ◼   ► from a very kind listener.

00:43:30 ◼   ► I asked Verizon to send me the cable card.

00:43:34 ◼   ► They do.

00:43:35 ◼   ► I plug it all in.

00:43:36 ◼   ► I try to set it all up.

00:43:37 ◼   ► And of course, I tried to do the online self-service

00:43:41 ◼   ► activation.

00:43:42 ◼   ► It didn't work.

00:43:42 ◼   ► I forget exactly why.

00:43:44 ◼   ► So then I have to get on a chat with the Verizon people.

00:43:46 ◼   ► And I read to them the magical numerals that I need to read

00:43:50 ◼   ► to them.

00:43:50 ◼   ► And that didn't work.

00:43:52 ◼   ► And then of course, they're like, well, look at the TV

00:43:54 ◼   ► and tell me this.

00:43:56 ◼   ► And I had to explain.

00:43:58 ◼   ► It's not connected to a TV, you see.

00:43:59 ◼   ► It's like a capture box and this and that,

00:44:02 ◼   ► and that didn't go over well, especially over chat.

00:44:04 ◼   ► - You're like their worst nightmare.

00:44:06 ◼   ► - Oh, I know.

00:44:07 ◼   ► - You can get the cable card info

00:44:08 ◼   ► right from the channel's web UI.

00:44:12 ◼   ► - Well, I don't think I got it from the channel's web UI,

00:44:14 ◼   ► but I absolutely could get it from HD Home Run web UI.

00:44:17 ◼   ► And so anyways, one way or another,

00:44:19 ◼   ► it eventually turned out that the person I was speaking to

00:44:22 ◼   ► is very kind, escalated to some other magical person

00:44:26 ◼   ► and that other magical person,

00:44:27 ◼   ► with no further info from me, flipped magical switches,

00:44:30 ◼   ► and then it all got working.

00:44:31 ◼   ► So it was a bit of a pain in the butt,

00:44:33 ◼   ► but I gotta tell you, once you have the setup,

00:44:35 ◼   ► and as much as I'm snarking on John and his beloved TiVo,

00:44:37 ◼   ► like I've never had a TiVo,

00:44:39 ◼   ► I don't know what the TiVo experience is like, but--

00:44:40 ◼   ► - TiVo gets the premium channels with a cable card, just FYI.

00:44:43 ◼   ► - Oh, fair, fair.

00:44:44 ◼   ► And well, maybe that is possible with channels.

00:44:45 ◼   ► I honestly don't know.

00:44:46 ◼   ► I'm not saying it is or it isn't.

00:44:47 ◼   ► I didn't think it was possible, but I am not sure.

00:44:50 ◼   ► One way or the other, this is so nice.

00:44:52 ◼   ► Like if you're going to pay for a TV setup,

00:44:55 ◼   ► which most people, including me, probably shouldn't.

00:44:58 ◼   ► It is so nice because then I have the entirety

00:45:01 ◼   ► of my cable everywhere, because like Plex,

00:45:04 ◼   ► channels will work outside the house, inside the house.

00:45:06 ◼   ► And now, instead of having a big honkin' table box,

00:45:09 ◼   ► okay, table box, a big honkin' cable box

00:45:12 ◼   ► with a spinning hard drive in it in my living room,

00:45:15 ◼   ► now the cable box has just arrived back at Verizon today

00:45:18 ◼   ► because I don't need it anymore.

00:45:20 ◼   ► And I am saving a whopping like $2 a month

00:45:22 ◼   ► by not having a DVR in my house,

00:45:24 ◼   ► because instead of charging me like $13,

00:45:26 ◼   ► they're charging me $10,

00:45:28 ◼   ► so I guess I'm saving three bucks a month.

00:45:29 ◼   ► But they're charging me $10 for the cable card

00:45:31 ◼   ► instead of 15 for the DVR with its godawful interface.

00:45:35 ◼   ► But it is really, really nice.

00:45:36 ◼   ► I'm really, really enjoying it so far.

00:45:38 ◼   ► And what's super cool about it is when we tailgate,

00:45:41 ◼   ► which was discussed on Upgrade Plus this week,

00:45:44 ◼   ► when we tailgate at the University of Virginia,

00:45:46 ◼   ► which is where my wife went to school,

00:45:48 ◼   ► we will have a TV set up there.

00:45:50 ◼   ► And if you wanna watch another football game,

00:45:52 ◼   ► like for example, the Virginia Tech game,

00:45:53 ◼   ► which is where I went to school, you can hook up an iPad to the TV and have it play your

00:46:02 ◼   ► cable at home through the network, through the internet, through my Verizon wireless

00:46:08 ◼   ► connection to the TV sitting in the middle of a field at UVA, which is pretty freaking

00:46:13 ◼   ► rad.

00:46:14 ◼   ► So, granted, I could have done this with streaming and it was like directly from ESPN, but the

00:46:18 ◼   ► quality would probably be worse.

00:46:20 ◼   ► It's still, it's really cool.

00:46:21 ◼   ► Nobody should care about this, but if you do care about it,

00:46:24 ◼   ► it's super great, which is another theme for ATV.

00:46:28 ◼   ► Marco, tell me about your glasses

00:46:29 ◼   ► and blue-blocking lenses, please.

00:46:32 ◼   ► - I don't know how much follow-up I can really do yet

00:46:34 ◼   ► because I don't actually have good glasses yet,

00:46:38 ◼   ► but we did hear from a number of people

00:46:40 ◼   ► about the topic of the blue-blocking lenses.

00:46:43 ◼   ► The consensus seems to be there are various degrees

00:46:47 ◼   ► of blue light blockage, and they correspond directly

00:46:51 ◼   ► to how much they do give a yellowish color cast

00:46:54 ◼   ► to the image that you see.

00:46:55 ◼   ► Because of course, you know, like I had asked last episode,

00:46:58 ◼   ► because I had heard from the optometrist

00:47:00 ◼   ► that you don't really notice,

00:47:02 ◼   ► there is no noticeable color cast,

00:47:03 ◼   ► and yeah, it turns out that's probably BS.

00:47:07 ◼   ► - I think it might be true in the same sense

00:47:08 ◼   ► that if you've ever gone skiing and worn yellow ski goggles

00:47:11 ◼   ► 'cause you were born in the '70s,

00:47:13 ◼   ► you put the ski goggles over your face,

00:47:15 ◼   ► yellow or orange ski goggles that are like super yellow

00:47:18 ◼   ► or super orange, right?

00:47:20 ◼   ► But then after you've had the goggles on for a little bit, your brain adjusts and you stop

00:47:24 ◼   ► noticing that everything looks like pee.

00:47:26 ◼   ► The reason you always look like, the reason you keep noticing it with night shift is because

00:47:30 ◼   ► only your phone looks like pee, right?

00:47:33 ◼   ► The rest of the world doesn't.

00:47:35 ◼   ► But when you put the goggles on your face, or I would imagine blue blocking glasses,

00:47:38 ◼   ► your brain just recalibrates and everything looks normal.

00:47:40 ◼   ► And in the case of ski goggles, until you pick the ski goggles up and then the snow

00:47:44 ◼   ► is blindingly blue, right?

00:47:46 ◼   ► So I imagine that's what the eye doctor is trying to say, "Oh, you don't notice."

00:47:50 ◼   ► But it absolutely colors things and with glasses unlike goggles you can look under or over

00:47:54 ◼   ► the glasses which is how I spend half my life getting away with wearing my driving glasses

00:47:58 ◼   ► and being able to read my phone.

00:48:00 ◼   ► You look under your glasses because I'm not quite ready to have progressives or bifocals

00:48:03 ◼   ► yet.

00:48:04 ◼   ► So you still, with glasses you can still see the true colors out of your peripheral vision

00:48:09 ◼   ► and under your glasses and I think that would make you continue to notice the fact that

00:48:14 ◼   ► they are giving everything a yellowish cast.

00:48:17 ◼   ► But I guess if you get big old person wrap around blue blockers, maybe you'll kind

00:48:21 ◼   ► of like see goggles, you won't be able to see any unfiltered light and your brain will

00:48:25 ◼   ► just readjust.

00:48:26 ◼   ► - I mean for a number of years now, my preferred driving sunglasses have had slightly gold

00:48:33 ◼   ► lenses and they do the same thing intentionally.

00:48:38 ◼   ► And the reason I like them for driving is that it allows me to have, they're in these

00:48:43 ◼   ► decent glasses, they have good quality lenses

00:48:46 ◼   ► and they're polarized, but they're not that dark.

00:48:49 ◼   ► But they are slightly gold or brown tinted,

00:48:52 ◼   ► which means they block more blue.

00:48:54 ◼   ► And so what this does is it allows me to have a lot

00:48:58 ◼   ► of eye relief during driving from sun and stuff,

00:49:02 ◼   ► but without making the, I guess, image too dark.

00:49:07 ◼   ► And so I love them in the winter because there's a lot

00:49:10 ◼   ► of glare in the winter in various directions and everything,

00:49:12 ◼   ► but there's not a ton of overall light,

00:49:14 ◼   ► necessarily, in the winter, and it's great for that.

00:49:17 ◼   ► But it definitely does make everything look

00:49:20 ◼   ► a little bit warmer, color temperature-wise.

00:49:22 ◼   ► And so, anyway, so what we heard from,

00:49:24 ◼   ► we heard from a lot of listeners

00:49:25 ◼   ► who have tried blue-blocking glasses,

00:49:27 ◼   ► you know, for just regular eyeglasses,

00:49:29 ◼   ► and I believe the opinion was pretty solidly negative

00:49:33 ◼   ► on them, most people who tried them did not like them,

00:49:37 ◼   ► and most people said, you know, don't even bother,

00:49:40 ◼   ► slash I tried them and hate them, you know, or whatever.

00:49:43 ◼   ► So overall, not strong reviews.

00:49:46 ◼   ► Anyway, so I got a couple of cheap readers from Amazon

00:49:50 ◼   ► that came in today that I think are probably unusable.

00:49:55 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:49:56 ◼   ► I also, you know, in order to try out different things,

00:49:59 ◼   ► a lot of people recommended that I try out

00:50:01 ◼   ► intermediate distance readers, which are made more

00:50:04 ◼   ► for like computer screen distances

00:50:06 ◼   ► than like holding a book distances.

00:50:08 ◼   ► So I ordered one of those from one of the cheap places.

00:50:10 ◼   ► People kept recommending Zenni Optical and iBuyDirect.

00:50:15 ◼   ► So I ordered a couple from each that are really cheap.

00:50:18 ◼   ► And so I have, I got an intermediate on order,

00:50:20 ◼   ► and I have a progressive that goes from nothing to reading.

00:50:25 ◼   ► And I'm gonna try both of those

00:50:27 ◼   ► and see kinda how that goes,

00:50:28 ◼   ► and trying out different codings,

00:50:30 ◼   ► and then I'll figure out what the heck

00:50:32 ◼   ► is actually gonna work for me.

00:50:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, with regard to Zenni Optical,

00:50:35 ◼   ► last episode I was trying to reach for the name of a website where I had looked, and

00:50:41 ◼   ► ordering kids glasses was just as expensive as ordering them through the eye doctor. And

00:50:47 ◼   ► a lot of people were like, "Oh, you should try Zening Optical. It's super cheap." That's

00:50:51 ◼   ► the one I was thinking of where it's basically the same money for kids glasses. So coincidentally,

00:50:56 ◼   ► just this week, Michaela had her annual checkup. She's getting new glasses. The way it worked

00:51:00 ◼   ► this year is that it was $201 for a new set of glasses for Michaela, and I priced the

00:51:06 ◼   ► exact same thing with the exact same script from Zeni, and it was $174. So it was basically

00:51:12 ◼   ► the same money. Cheaper, but not a lot cheaper. Exactly right. And so I'm not saying that's

00:51:17 ◼   ► true for adults, I'm not saying that's true for anything, but for me, for my uses, because

00:51:22 ◼   ► I wear hard contacts, I don't get glasses regularly, and you know, those have to be

00:51:25 ◼   ► special ordered, but for the kids anyhow, Zenny was actually not really any cheaper,

00:51:30 ◼   ► but like many have said, including you Marco, I think for adults it's a very different ball

00:51:34 ◼   ► game.

00:51:35 ◼   ► Alright, finally, I was casting about asking people last episode, "Hey, is there one true

00:51:41 ◼   ► upgrade guide for what is the right way to handle upgrading a phone and/or watch?"

00:51:46 ◼   ► A handful of people recommended, but Jonathan Golbrenson was the first to do it.

00:51:51 ◼   ► Apple does have an official guide for this.

00:51:53 ◼   ► I don't really love it.

00:51:55 ◼   ► It's kind of choose your own adventure in a way that I'm not really in favor of, including

00:52:01 ◼   ► them starting with, "Well, which way would you like to do it?"

00:52:04 ◼   ► And I want you to tell me.

00:52:06 ◼   ► That's what I want is for you to tell me.

00:52:09 ◼   ► Quick Start, iCloud, or iTunes or Finder, which, okay, fine, but I was looking for a

00:52:13 ◼   ► little more specific guidance than that, and we'll talk probably right now about how we

00:52:18 ◼   ► did our upgrades, but I did want to at least put that link in the show notes, and thank

00:52:21 ◼   ► Thank you to the people who wrote it, including Jonathan.

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00:54:21 ◼   ► We bought and received some stuff. So who wants to start?

00:54:25 ◼   ► Let me start with my setup process as a cautionary tale for others.

00:54:28 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:54:30 ◼   ► I talked last week that I have such bad luck with this and I'm so bad at it.

00:54:36 ◼   ► And then I relistened to the episode and I heard myself saying a bunch of things

00:54:40 ◼   ► and I was like, "You know what? I should have listened to my past self."

00:54:43 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:54:44 ◼   ► - I don't know why I didn't listen to my bad stuff.

00:54:46 ◼   ► I don't, someone needs to have some kind of intervention

00:54:48 ◼   ► for me when I get a new phone.

00:54:50 ◼   ► I got my new phone and for some reason,

00:54:54 ◼   ► I decided based on vague memories of dissatisfaction

00:54:57 ◼   ► with the transfer process last time,

00:55:00 ◼   ► that I should try a technique that I hadn't done recently.

00:55:05 ◼   ► Right, that I should, I don't remember what I did last year

00:55:08 ◼   ► or the year before, but I know in the recent years

00:55:10 ◼   ► I've been using it, doing iCloud

00:55:12 ◼   ► doing the direct transfer, right?

00:55:13 ◼   ► I'm like, you know what?

00:55:14 ◼   ► I haven't done an iTunes backup and restore in a while.

00:55:18 ◼   ► I should do that this year.

00:55:20 ◼   ► Why did I think that?

00:55:21 ◼   ► Even after on last week's show, I said, definitely

00:55:24 ◼   ► don't do that.

00:55:25 ◼   ► And I wasn't going to do it.

00:55:27 ◼   ► I did it.

00:55:28 ◼   ► So I made an encrypted backup to the Finder.

00:55:31 ◼   ► After fighting with this--

00:55:33 ◼   ► I should find the link to this document.

00:55:35 ◼   ► After fighting with my computer to get that to work,

00:55:37 ◼   ► because I plugged in my phone to my computer

00:55:38 ◼   ► and opened the Finder.

00:55:39 ◼   ► and it's like, we've detected that your,

00:55:42 ◼   ► I forget what the dialogue says,

00:55:43 ◼   ► like that your phone needs updated version of software,

00:55:46 ◼   ► your Mac needs, it said it needed to do

00:55:48 ◼   ► some kind of software update 'cause I plugged in my phone.

00:55:50 ◼   ► This is what the finder is saying with a little dialogue.

00:55:52 ◼   ► And I said, okay, go ahead.

00:55:53 ◼   ► And it says downloading software

00:55:54 ◼   ► and it gives some hilarious estimates

00:55:56 ◼   ► like 78 days remaining and then it downloads in two seconds.

00:56:00 ◼   ► And then it says installing software

00:56:01 ◼   ► and then it says software installation failed, sorry.

00:56:04 ◼   ► I was like, and I tried it like three times

00:56:06 ◼   ► and it just did all the same process,

00:56:08 ◼   ► goes through the same thing,

00:56:08 ◼   ► software installation failed.

00:56:10 ◼   ► Did some googling.

00:56:12 ◼   ► Eventually found a page that's like, oh, you should--

00:56:14 ◼   ► it's because you should try a different cable.

00:56:17 ◼   ► Sometimes the cables are weird.

00:56:19 ◼   ► Whatever.

00:56:19 ◼   ► I just-- I'll try anything.

00:56:20 ◼   ► I used the cable that came in the box with my phone,

00:56:23 ◼   ► and I plugged it directly into my Mac Pro

00:56:24 ◼   ► instead of going through a USB hub

00:56:26 ◼   ► and doing all the USB kind of like just try anything.

00:56:31 ◼   ► All the normal USB debugging.

00:56:32 ◼   ► Lo and behold, plugging it directly

00:56:33 ◼   ► into my Mac Pro with the cable it came with

00:56:35 ◼   ► didn't pop up that dialogue and it did an encrypted backup.

00:56:39 ◼   ► - Oh my gosh. - Whatever.

00:56:40 ◼   ► - Great.

00:56:41 ◼   ► - And then I put in the new phone and you know,

00:56:43 ◼   ► how do you wanna set up your phone?

00:56:44 ◼   ► It's going through the process,

00:56:45 ◼   ► I wanna restore from my backup,

00:56:46 ◼   ► I wanna restore from my encrypted backup,

00:56:48 ◼   ► it did the restore, it went pretty quick.

00:56:50 ◼   ► And then you know, I looked at my phone and I was like,

00:56:53 ◼   ► yep, there's all my apps in the normal places

00:56:55 ◼   ► I expect to see them.

00:56:56 ◼   ► And I had nothing.

00:56:58 ◼   ► I had nothing on my phone.

00:57:00 ◼   ► All my Slacks are signed out.

00:57:01 ◼   ► No Twitter accounts in my Twitter app.

00:57:03 ◼   ► Nothing in my two-factor apps.

00:57:05 ◼   ► Like this phone had never seen me before.

00:57:08 ◼   ► None of my preferences, none of my like,

00:57:10 ◼   ► other than the iCloud stuff,

00:57:11 ◼   ► 'cause iCloud stuff did sync,

00:57:12 ◼   ► but like my third party non-iCloud apps, just nothing.

00:57:16 ◼   ► Like none of my Discords, none of anything.

00:57:18 ◼   ► It was just, everything was gone.

00:57:21 ◼   ► And I was like, why did you do this?

00:57:23 ◼   ► Why did you do iTunes backup?

00:57:24 ◼   ► You just said in the last show,

00:57:25 ◼   ► how is this like a legacy code path

00:57:27 ◼   ► and Apple's not working on it anymore.

00:57:28 ◼   ► And both iTunes and Direct Transfer are surely better.

00:57:30 ◼   ► Why, why, why did you do this?

00:57:32 ◼   ► I'm like, well, I just waited the hour and a half

00:57:34 ◼   ► for it to do it, so I just manually go through there.

00:57:37 ◼   ► Sign into all my slacks again.

00:57:40 ◼   ► I've got my other phone next to me, right?

00:57:41 ◼   ► - At this point, wouldn't it be faster

00:57:43 ◼   ► to wipe the new one and just redo it the correct way?

00:57:46 ◼   ► - I was in whatever fugue static I get into

00:57:48 ◼   ► when I get a new phone.

00:57:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:57:50 ◼   ► I've got the other phone next to me, right?

00:57:52 ◼   ► And so I'm like, sign into all the slacks,

00:57:54 ◼   ► then also look at the order that the slacks are

00:57:56 ◼   ► in the sidebar and manually reorder them.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a big pain in the butt.

00:57:59 ◼   ► I've done that a lot of times, it's terrible.

00:58:00 ◼   ► manually reorder the Slack store in the order that I want,

00:58:03 ◼   ► do the two factor, at least the two factor,

00:58:05 ◼   ► my app has the export, now do the export and the import,

00:58:08 ◼   ► and then compare them, make sure they're the same,

00:58:09 ◼   ► log into all your Twitter accounts,

00:58:11 ◼   ► reset all the preferences in Twitterrific

00:58:13 ◼   ► to be exactly what they were,

00:58:14 ◼   ► go through a screen at a time,

00:58:16 ◼   ► setting the preferences the same,

00:58:17 ◼   ► looking at the other phone,

00:58:19 ◼   ► just go through it all,

00:58:20 ◼   ► and then of course, there's no help for this still,

00:58:25 ◼   ► 'cause this is on Apple,

00:58:26 ◼   ► and I'm sure both of you have the same experience,

00:58:28 ◼   ► go to TestFlight, install your betas

00:58:30 ◼   ► on top of the other apps, and it does a better job

00:58:33 ◼   ► of putting them where they're supposed to be, but still.

00:58:35 ◼   ► - Not your widgets, you gotta put all your widgets

00:58:37 ◼   ► back from your beta apps.

00:58:38 ◼   ► - And sometimes restore purchases doesn't work,

00:58:41 ◼   ► and it's nothing the third-party app developers

00:58:42 ◼   ► can do about it, 'cause TestFlight is buggy

00:58:44 ◼   ► when it comes to store stuff, and some store kit,

00:58:46 ◼   ► too, stuff isn't supported, and anyway.

00:58:48 ◼   ► Did all the things, and it just took so long,

00:58:51 ◼   ► but I'm like, what, this is my punishment.

00:58:53 ◼   ► I was undoing it, I was like, this is my punishment

00:58:54 ◼   ► for being stupid, and doing iTunes encrypted backup,

00:58:57 ◼   ► even though I said on the show, don't do that, it's dumb.

00:59:00 ◼   ► But then I got through this whole process

00:59:04 ◼   ► and I thought I had it all licked

00:59:05 ◼   ► and then I'm just doing the final sweep

00:59:07 ◼   ► which is going through each screen and launching the apps

00:59:09 ◼   ► and make sure I have all, oh I forgot,

00:59:10 ◼   ► adding all the cards to Apple Pay,

00:59:12 ◼   ► doing you know, just all the pay, logging back into Venmo,

00:59:16 ◼   ► like doing all the stupid things,

00:59:18 ◼   ► logging back into all my bank apps and my finance things

00:59:21 ◼   ► and setting up all, it's just such a nightmare, right?

00:59:25 ◼   ► And then the last, when I'm doing the final sweep

00:59:28 ◼   ► and going through stuff and I'm launching stuff,

00:59:30 ◼   ► I ranted about this in the podcast-a-thon

00:59:32 ◼   ► if you wanted to see me on it,

00:59:33 ◼   ► although it's not that interesting you're hearing

00:59:35 ◼   ► and a bridge version of it here.

00:59:37 ◼   ► The final thing that pushed me over the edge

00:59:40 ◼   ► was I tapped on golfing on Mars and I was on hole one.

00:59:43 ◼   ► - Oh no! (laughs)

00:59:46 ◼   ► - It's like, no!

00:59:47 ◼   ► That is too far 'cause there's nothing you can do.

00:59:51 ◼   ► Like that app developer intentionally makes it.

00:59:54 ◼   ► No, there's no cloud sinking.

00:59:55 ◼   ► If you lose your whole progress, F you,

00:59:57 ◼   ► 'cause that's what this game is about.

00:59:59 ◼   ► - There's not even like a menu.

01:00:00 ◼   ► - There's nothing, like that is part of this game.

01:00:03 ◼   ► And I was like, and I just sat with that for like two hours,

01:00:06 ◼   ► just totally dejected.

01:00:07 ◼   ► And I was like, no, this cannot stand.

01:00:11 ◼   ► And so after spending a whole day,

01:00:14 ◼   ► just going through this whole process

01:00:15 ◼   ► of like restoring my phone, I'm like, I have to wipe it.

01:00:18 ◼   ► I can't, I have to start over.

01:00:22 ◼   ► - Oh my gosh.

01:00:23 ◼   ► I erased my whole phone, started it set up for new

01:00:27 ◼   ► and did device to device transfer.

01:00:29 ◼   ► Got my desert, not desert golfing, my golf on Mars,

01:00:34 ◼   ► thousands of holes in golf on Mars were correctly restored.

01:00:37 ◼   ► Still had to re-add all my cards to Apple Pay,

01:00:40 ◼   ► but my slacks were signed in and just, it was,

01:00:43 ◼   ► the moral of the story is people do not use

01:00:45 ◼   ► encrypted finder backups.

01:00:46 ◼   ► Use either device to device transfer, my recommendation,

01:00:50 ◼   ► or iCloud and you'll be much happier.

01:00:53 ◼   ► learn from my terrible mistakes.

01:00:54 ◼   ► Oh, and by the way, you notice I didn't mention anything

01:00:56 ◼   ► about the SIM transfer?

01:00:58 ◼   ► Worked perfectly.

01:00:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, the eSIM.

01:01:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, the screen went by so fast,

01:01:02 ◼   ► I barely noticed it was there.

01:01:04 ◼   ► It was just like, oh yeah, now we're transferring your number

01:01:06 ◼   ► boop, and it was done.

01:01:07 ◼   ► And then when I erased the phone,

01:01:08 ◼   ► there's another thing I had to try.

01:01:09 ◼   ► When I gave up and erased the phone,

01:01:11 ◼   ► it said, oh, so you're erasing content settings.

01:01:13 ◼   ► Do you want to erase the eSIM too,

01:01:15 ◼   ► or do you want to leave that number on this phone?

01:01:17 ◼   ► And I said, leave the number on this phone.

01:01:19 ◼   ► That worked too.

01:01:20 ◼   ► So the only glitch was after the second restore,

01:01:23 ◼   ► I had to disable Saturday and re-enable it once

01:01:25 ◼   ► to get like the text to come through or whatever.

01:01:28 ◼   ► So eSIM, totally not an issue.

01:01:31 ◼   ► And apparently I was distracted

01:01:33 ◼   ► like in Jurassic Park, clever girl,

01:01:34 ◼   ► and it tricked my stupid brain into doing

01:01:37 ◼   ► a iTunes/Finder encrypted backup restore,

01:01:40 ◼   ► which is garbage, never do it.

01:01:42 ◼   ► Anyway, my phone's set up now.

01:01:44 ◼   ► - So it's funny you say all that

01:01:45 ◼   ► because I have always and forever been a devout,

01:01:50 ◼   ► iTunes slash finder backup person.

01:01:52 ◼   ► That's what I've always done for years and years

01:01:54 ◼   ► and years and years.

01:01:55 ◼   ► I didn't believe any of this BS about how,

01:01:58 ◼   ► oh, you can just do it phone to phone,

01:01:59 ◼   ► it's worked so well, blah, blah, blah.

01:02:01 ◼   ► That is a bunch of baloney.

01:02:04 ◼   ► But somebody I know said, no, I'm telling you,

01:02:07 ◼   ► you have to do device to device.

01:02:09 ◼   ► And so in my fugue state, I thought, no,

01:02:12 ◼   ► there was a voice in my head that some people say

01:02:14 ◼   ► sounds like Squidward that told me

01:02:17 ◼   ► I need to do device to device.

01:02:19 ◼   ► And that's what I did, and it worked out great.

01:02:22 ◼   ► There was no problems.

01:02:23 ◼   ► Now the bad thing about device to device,

01:02:24 ◼   ► which I had forgotten, or I guess never really known

01:02:26 ◼   ► 'cause I'd never done it, is that you lose,

01:02:29 ◼   ► as far as I could tell, you lose both of your phones

01:02:31 ◼   ► for anywhere between one and three hours.

01:02:33 ◼   ► Like they're both tied up, you can't do anything with them,

01:02:35 ◼   ► you are SOL.

01:02:37 ◼   ► And that's not great, but understandable.

01:02:41 ◼   ► Because otherwise it would kind of be a moving target

01:02:43 ◼   ► that it's trying to transfer.

01:02:44 ◼   ► But it worked really well for me.

01:02:47 ◼   ► The eSIM transfer for me took, I want to say, somewhere on the two-minute side to two to

01:02:54 ◼   ► five minutes.

01:02:55 ◼   ► Erin, I'd never transferred her from a physical SIM to an eSIM because I kind of wanted to

01:02:59 ◼   ► experience both.

01:03:00 ◼   ► This was a deeply stressful moment for me because if I had taken her phone and started

01:03:06 ◼   ► to do the transfer and then the eSIM transfer failed, then she would have been justifiably

01:03:13 ◼   ► very perturbed and thankfully for her it also worked no sweat. Also took somewhere between

01:03:19 ◼   ► two and five minutes. I noticed like you guys had said that TestFlight did not really automatically

01:03:25 ◼   ► restore itself but once I had TestFlight installed, if memory serves, I thought it automatically

01:03:32 ◼   ► tried to put back everything that had previously been installed. So the first step was, you

01:03:36 ◼   ► know, TestFlight wasn't even there so I have all these blank spots on my home screens.

01:03:41 ◼   ► TestFlight arrived and then I think I opened TestFlight once and I don't think I had to

01:03:46 ◼   ► actually click install.

01:03:47 ◼   ► I might have that incorrect though, I might be wrong about that.

01:03:50 ◼   ► But one way or another, once I did install all these apps, I forget which one of you

01:03:54 ◼   ► just said it, but yes, then TestFlight and Springboard did a really good job of figuring

01:03:58 ◼   ► out where these icons should be and based on where they were previously.

01:04:03 ◼   ► That worked out real nicely.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Although I realized that my caret weather widget was gone, which is what you were saying

01:04:07 ◼   ► a moment ago, Marco, that the widgets all disappear, which is a bummer.

01:04:11 ◼   ► But yeah, device-to-device transfer actually worked really well.

01:04:14 ◼   ► And I had also somewhat, I don't know, superstitiously done the, you know, unpair your watch in order

01:04:23 ◼   ► to cause it to create a backup before you do the transfer.

01:04:27 ◼   ► And I just let it ride, man.

01:04:28 ◼   ► I was like, "Screw it, all in.

01:04:29 ◼   ► Let's just see what device-to-device does."

01:04:31 ◼   ► And sure enough, the device-to-device transfer, after it got to the new phone, at a very arbitrary

01:04:36 ◼   ► seeming time, it woke up and was like, "Oh, you have an Apple Watch.

01:04:39 ◼   ► Do you want to transfer that to me?

01:04:41 ◼   ► Yes, yes I do.

01:04:43 ◼   ► And it worked pretty well.

01:04:46 ◼   ► Like I don't think there were any major issues there either.

01:04:48 ◼   ► So I am really, really surprised

01:04:51 ◼   ► at how well device-to-device transfer worked.

01:04:53 ◼   ► I will say that you really do need to expect that,

01:04:56 ◼   ► A, you're gonna lose both of your phones

01:04:59 ◼   ► for a solid one to three hours,

01:05:01 ◼   ► and B, I watched this happen three different times.

01:05:03 ◼   ► I watched it with mine, with Aaron's,

01:05:05 ◼   ► and then with some friends of ours,

01:05:07 ◼   ► They actually came over and the wife and the family did her phone while they were at our

01:05:11 ◼   ► house.

01:05:12 ◼   ► And for her, it was the same story.

01:05:14 ◼   ► It will read somewhere between three and infinity hours to complete, like, "Oh, you'll be done

01:05:19 ◼   ► in infinity."

01:05:20 ◼   ► But if you have faith for all three of us, whatever the estimate was, it ended up being

01:05:25 ◼   ► more time than actually was needed, which was really refreshing.

01:05:29 ◼   ► So I completely agree with John of last week and John of moments ago.

01:05:34 ◼   ► Device to device is the way to do it.

01:05:36 ◼   ► With all of that said, Marco, I would like to hear your story and then we can start talking

01:05:39 ◼   ► about the devices.

01:05:40 ◼   ► >> Marco: I actually was pretty close to yours, Casey.

01:05:45 ◼   ► So I did device-to-device, not involving iCloud, just device-to-device, transfer everything,

01:05:50 ◼   ► including all the passwords and everything.

01:05:52 ◼   ► And it got pretty much everything.

01:05:54 ◼   ► The only things that didn't work correctly were -- and the eSIM transferred happened

01:05:59 ◼   ► just fine.

01:06:00 ◼   ► This was on AT&T.

01:06:01 ◼   ► I don't know if this matters.

01:06:03 ◼   ► I was doing it on Saturday instead of on Friday,

01:06:06 ◼   ► because that's my island situation,

01:06:08 ◼   ► means I get everything one day late.

01:06:09 ◼   ► So maybe things were less overloaded then.

01:06:13 ◼   ► But everything was fine, basically, with two exceptions.

01:06:17 ◼   ► I had to manually put in my email account again,

01:06:21 ◼   ► because for a while, Fastmail was offering

01:06:24 ◼   ► configuration profiles to set up your email account.

01:06:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, I had a configuration profile,

01:06:29 ◼   ► and that did not come with me.

01:06:30 ◼   ► I forgot about that, that's a good point.

01:06:32 ◼   ► And I think profiles aren't transferred,

01:06:35 ◼   ► intentionally I think.

01:06:37 ◼   ► So anyway, so-- - I forgot about that.

01:06:38 ◼   ► - So I did it to reset up my email,

01:06:40 ◼   ► and I'm like, you know what, forget it,

01:06:41 ◼   ► I'm just gonna do the old single app password method,

01:06:44 ◼   ► which is what, their website now offers,

01:06:47 ◼   ► I think, only that, I think they stopped offering--

01:06:50 ◼   ► - No, no, no, they still do the configuration profile,

01:06:53 ◼   ► but the way you do it is by going and generating

01:06:56 ◼   ► a single site or single app password,

01:06:59 ◼   ► and then if I recall correctly,

01:07:00 ◼   ► it's at the bottom of the page,

01:07:01 ◼   ► They're like, oh, you can just do a profile too.

01:07:03 ◼   ► You have to go through the steps of creating the password

01:07:05 ◼   ► in order to get to that point,

01:07:07 ◼   ► which I'm not sure, maybe this is Fastmail's one flaw.

01:07:10 ◼   ► I don't know why that's the way they do it.

01:07:11 ◼   ► When I set it up originally,

01:07:12 ◼   ► when I first joined Fastmail just a few months ago,

01:07:14 ◼   ► that is not how I remember it happening,

01:07:16 ◼   ► but as we've established many times on the show,

01:07:18 ◼   ► my memory is garbage, so who knows?

01:07:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, well anyway, I didn't do,

01:07:21 ◼   ► so anyway, I set it up just with single app password

01:07:23 ◼   ► and regular custom IMAP setup and everything,

01:07:26 ◼   ► and it was fine.

01:07:27 ◼   ► When my phone did remind me

01:07:29 ◼   ► at the arbitrary time afterwards,

01:07:31 ◼   ► hey, you wanna transfer your watch over?

01:07:32 ◼   ► I was a little concerned because my phone manages

01:07:35 ◼   ► two watches, mine and my son's through family setup.

01:07:38 ◼   ► - Oh, good thing.

01:07:40 ◼   ► - And family setup, it's one of those things,

01:07:42 ◼   ► you know, like a lot of things that involve the watch,

01:07:45 ◼   ► it's one of those things that seems

01:07:47 ◼   ► kinda half-baked and fragile,

01:07:48 ◼   ► and I don't really wanna mess with it more than I have to.

01:07:51 ◼   ► But I thought, you know what,

01:07:53 ◼   ► we'll do it for the show, let's see what it actually does.

01:07:56 ◼   ► And it transferred his correctly,

01:08:00 ◼   ► But in the middle of transferring mine,

01:08:02 ◼   ► iOS said, "Hey, we had this really important update

01:08:06 ◼   ► "for the iPhone 14 that fixes activation issues,

01:08:09 ◼   ► "the messages and stuff.

01:08:10 ◼   ► "You really should install this right now."

01:08:12 ◼   ► So I said, "Okay."

01:08:13 ◼   ► Forgetting that the washer's in the middle of the transfer.

01:08:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, I saw that notification a lot too

01:08:17 ◼   ► during both of my setups, and I was like,

01:08:19 ◼   ► "Not today, Satan."

01:08:20 ◼   ► There's no way I'm touching that.

01:08:23 ◼   ► 'Cause I just knew this is not the time to,

01:08:25 ◼   ► I knew what the update was about.

01:08:26 ◼   ► I had seen the bug reports, and I understood

01:08:29 ◼   ► for some people, like they couldn't get activated

01:08:30 ◼   ► and they definitely needed to do that,

01:08:31 ◼   ► but I know you want me to update it,

01:08:34 ◼   ► but I need to get everything settled

01:08:35 ◼   ► before I even think about touching that.

01:08:37 ◼   ► - Well, I touched it and it broke my watch setup

01:08:40 ◼   ► and I had to, I ended up in the state

01:08:43 ◼   ► that we've seen before and then we've heard

01:08:44 ◼   ► other people report where the watch thinks nothing is wrong,

01:08:48 ◼   ► but no phone thinks it's paired to the watch.

01:08:51 ◼   ► Neither the old one nor the new one

01:08:52 ◼   ► think it has the watch paired.

01:08:53 ◼   ► - I've been in that state many times with my wife's watch

01:08:56 ◼   ► and I don't understand it and it is terrible.

01:08:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, and as far as I can tell,

01:09:00 ◼   ► the only way to get out of the situation

01:09:01 ◼   ► is to, on the watch, go to, you know,

01:09:03 ◼   ► set in general, reset, erase the whole watch from it.

01:09:05 ◼   ► - Which feels totally wrong,

01:09:07 ◼   ► especially for someone like me

01:09:08 ◼   ► who I don't actually own a watch.

01:09:09 ◼   ► The only time I ever interact with it

01:09:10 ◼   ► is when I'm trying to get it set up for my wife

01:09:12 ◼   ► and she's annoyed that it's taking so long.

01:09:14 ◼   ► So it's not a good experience. - Exactly, exactly.

01:09:16 ◼   ► So I went through that and I had to, you know,

01:09:18 ◼   ► reset my whole watch up,

01:09:20 ◼   ► which is a big pain in the butt.

01:09:21 ◼   ► Not as big of a pain in the butt

01:09:22 ◼   ► as trying to get all your slacks back in order,

01:09:24 ◼   ► but it is still a pain in the butt.

01:09:25 ◼   ► And so eventually I got that working

01:09:28 ◼   ► and everything else went fine.

01:09:29 ◼   ► So overall it was only that weird watch hiccup.

01:09:32 ◼   ► Everything else went perfectly.

01:09:33 ◼   ► All of my stuff did transfer with all the passwords

01:09:36 ◼   ► and logins and everything including Slack,

01:09:37 ◼   ► which for some reason never does.

01:09:39 ◼   ► But it included it this time.

01:09:41 ◼   ► So I was very pleased with the device to device transfer.

01:09:44 ◼   ► It worked with the one exception of the weird watch hiccup,

01:09:47 ◼   ► which I guess was partly my fault

01:09:49 ◼   ► for accepting the software update.

01:09:51 ◼   ► Other than that, it was great.

01:09:53 ◼   ► - Can I just post an image?

01:09:55 ◼   ► I know we're going to talk about our experience with this phone, but just one thing, one thing

01:09:58 ◼   ► that we don't have a bullet item for that I think is worth me mentioning here because

01:10:02 ◼   ► I did not expect it.

01:10:04 ◼   ► Take a look at this image I just put in the chat.

01:10:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:07 ◼   ► Okay, it's a status bar, 1241, you have full Wi-Fi, full bars, and you know, 80% battery.

01:10:14 ◼   ► So this was like maybe my second or third day of using my new phone.

01:10:19 ◼   ► And I thought something about my phone was broken, because I, there was just something

01:10:24 ◼   ► I couldn't get again. It was just a mental block. This is 1241 as a time in the status bar. That's 1241 a.m

01:10:31 ◼   ► Look at my battery level

01:10:34 ◼   ► I woke up in the morning and unplugged my phone from my nightstand charger

01:10:38 ◼   ► and I use my phone all day like I normally do nothing weird about this particular day and

01:10:43 ◼   ► I went from waking up in the morning at like 7 a.m.

01:10:48 ◼   ► To 12 41 a.m. The next day and I'm at like 80% charge. Oh, oh

01:10:55 ◼   ► I thought you would put it on the charger for a while and it was doing that optimized charging thing

01:10:59 ◼   ► No, this is just me using my phone

01:11:01 ◼   ► Okay

01:11:01 ◼   ► And the reason I was broken for the first few days that was using my phone every time I looked at my phone

01:11:05 ◼   ► The battery meter was full and like, huh? Isn't that great to have a fresh battery?

01:11:09 ◼   ► You know, you got a 12 probe the batteries probably crappy now

01:11:11 ◼   ► I got a nice fresh battery in this 14 Pro and everyone's saying the 14 Pro battery life sucks, right? Yeah same

01:11:17 ◼   ► Yeah, I thought maybe like I know that there was this big controversy

01:11:21 ◼   ► We're like putting the percentage in the thing and having not having a little like color fill the thing

01:11:25 ◼   ► The color was always 100% full but then the number would say, you know

01:11:28 ◼   ► 62 but the the thing would like Obama I don't have the number I'm like is my status bar broken

01:11:33 ◼   ► Why does my phone always show full charge and then on this day? Why was I but 1241?

01:11:39 ◼   ► I don't know. I was probably watching finishing watching a car rebuilding YouTube video before going to bed ill-advisedly, right?

01:11:45 ◼   ► And I looked at my battery, I'm like,

01:11:46 ◼   ► okay, this is ridiculous.

01:11:48 ◼   ► How do I have 80% battery at 12.41 a.m.

01:11:52 ◼   ► after waking up at seven and using my phone

01:11:54 ◼   ► like I normally do?

01:11:55 ◼   ► How is that even happening?

01:11:56 ◼   ► Who knows the answer?

01:11:57 ◼   ► - What are you doing on your phone?

01:11:58 ◼   ► - Nothing apparently. - What are you not doing?

01:12:00 ◼   ► Yeah, like you're probably not running Instagram,

01:12:02 ◼   ► definitely not running TikTok.

01:12:03 ◼   ► - I wasn't using my phone any differently

01:12:06 ◼   ► than I normally do in terms of which apps I use.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Look at the percentage, it's like YouTube, Twitter,

01:12:10 ◼   ► it's like what I do with my phone, messages, whatever.

01:12:13 ◼   ► What's the answer?

01:12:14 ◼   ► What am I not remembering here?

01:12:16 ◼   ► - Do you have it on like a MagSafe charger

01:12:17 ◼   ► somewhere throughout the day?

01:12:18 ◼   ► - That's right, my MagSafe car charger.

01:12:21 ◼   ► - Mm, there we go. - I do a lot of driving

01:12:23 ◼   ► around in my car, there's not anything different

01:12:25 ◼   ► than I normally do, driving to and from school,

01:12:28 ◼   ► going to the supermarket, like just normal daily errands.

01:12:32 ◼   ► The difference is now every time I got in the car

01:12:35 ◼   ► and just smacked my phone with that magnet, it was charging.

01:12:39 ◼   ► It would never go down, it would be 100% all day long

01:12:43 ◼   ► 'cause my day is just constantly broken up

01:12:44 ◼   ► by driving around and doing the normal sort of like errands

01:12:47 ◼   ► and stuff and every time I was in the car,

01:12:49 ◼   ► I was on the MagSafe and the trips were long enough

01:12:51 ◼   ► to push it back to 100%.

01:12:53 ◼   ► This totally surprised me.

01:12:55 ◼   ► This has nothing to do with the phone obviously,

01:12:56 ◼   ► it has everything to do with hey,

01:12:58 ◼   ► if you have a car and your phone has MagSafe,

01:13:00 ◼   ► consider getting a MagSafe charger

01:13:02 ◼   ► that plugs into the USB port in your car,

01:13:05 ◼   ► it may totally change your perception

01:13:08 ◼   ► of your phone's battery life if your day,

01:13:10 ◼   ► like mine, involves driving around a lot.

01:13:12 ◼   ► I did not even think about that.

01:13:13 ◼   ► That's a good point because my preliminary experience,

01:13:16 ◼   ► and I'm jumping ahead a little bit,

01:13:18 ◼   ► but my preliminary experience is the battery,

01:13:20 ◼   ► I don't feel like the battery is as good as my 13 Pro.

01:13:23 ◼   ► Like I feel, this is very unscientific,

01:13:26 ◼   ► very, very unscientific,

01:13:27 ◼   ► but I feel like I am not doing as well,

01:13:30 ◼   ► but I've only had the phone since Friday.

01:13:32 ◼   ► We're recording on a Wednesday.

01:13:34 ◼   ► I don't know how much of the like

01:13:35 ◼   ► processing happens on battery.

01:13:37 ◼   ► I don't know how bad the always on display is.

01:13:39 ◼   ► I also have the haptic keyboard,

01:13:42 ◼   ► I had the haptic keyboard on for most of the last few days.

01:13:46 ◼   ► Maybe that's causing, not problems, but causing a drain.

01:13:48 ◼   ► I don't know, but my experience--

01:13:49 ◼   ► - It's causing problems.

01:13:51 ◼   ► - Well, I don't, I would not say

01:13:54 ◼   ► that the battery has impressed me so far.

01:13:56 ◼   ► Marco, what has your experience been?

01:13:58 ◼   ► - I'm like you, I'm still on the point

01:14:01 ◼   ► where I'm assuming that there is a software bug

01:14:03 ◼   ► or some kind of runaway process

01:14:05 ◼   ► because my battery life has been pretty mediocre

01:14:08 ◼   ► and on the 13 Pro, it was pretty good most of the time.

01:14:12 ◼   ► So I'm blaming this on, you know,

01:14:14 ◼   ► iOS 16 slash new phone setup, you know,

01:14:17 ◼   ► who does kind of, you know, background processes,

01:14:20 ◼   ► you know, spotlight indexing,

01:14:22 ◼   ► whatever stuff is going on on a new installation.

01:14:25 ◼   ► - Indexing your mail, 'cause they didn't redo

01:14:27 ◼   ► how mail indexes stuff.

01:14:28 ◼   ► - They did, yeah.

01:14:29 ◼   ► So it's, my battery life is poor,

01:14:32 ◼   ► but it seems like it's that type of poor,

01:14:34 ◼   ► not this phone is mediocre kind of poor.

01:14:37 ◼   ► So I'm willing to give that a little while.

01:14:40 ◼   ► One thing, while we're on the topic of the always-on screen,

01:14:43 ◼   ► what do you think about it so far?

01:14:45 ◼   ► - I don't have a strong opinion about it,

01:14:49 ◼   ► to be honest with you.

01:14:51 ◼   ► I think if I have an opinion I slightly lean toward,

01:14:54 ◼   ► I don't think I wanna stick with it.

01:14:57 ◼   ► I am sticking with it for now,

01:14:58 ◼   ► but I don't think it affords me a whole lot,

01:15:03 ◼   ► because every time I look at my phone,

01:15:05 ◼   ► generally speaking, my notifications,

01:15:07 ◼   ► There are fewer on screen, which is by design, with iOS 16, which aesthetically I think is

01:15:11 ◼   ► an improvement.

01:15:12 ◼   ► But beyond that, they're in the, I forget the term for it, but they're in the like don't

01:15:16 ◼   ► show details mode.

01:15:18 ◼   ► And I think what I kind of expected, and I understand why it's not this way, but I kind

01:15:23 ◼   ► of expected that let's say I have my phone on my desk and I have a, what is it, a 12

01:15:28 ◼   ► south elevation dock or something like that.

01:15:30 ◼   ► It's a very, very old dock, but it points the phone up at my face, right?

01:15:34 ◼   ► You know what I'm saying?

01:15:35 ◼   ► flat on the desktop, it's pointed basically at me.

01:15:38 ◼   ► And I think I had expected that with the Always On Display,

01:15:41 ◼   ► if I looked down at the phone,

01:15:42 ◼   ► it would see I'm giving it attention,

01:15:44 ◼   ► it would scan my face, and then it would show me

01:15:47 ◼   ► the contents of all these notifications

01:15:49 ◼   ► that are on my screen.

01:15:50 ◼   ► And it doesn't do that, it doesn't just sit there

01:15:51 ◼   ► looking to see if you're looking at it.

01:15:53 ◼   ► It waits until you touch it.

01:15:55 ◼   ► And I don't love that.

01:15:58 ◼   ► Like I understand why, 'cause it would be

01:15:59 ◼   ► a huge battery drain, I'm sure,

01:16:01 ◼   ► to just sit there pinging away at the Face ID sensor,

01:16:03 ◼   ► but it feels kind of, it's not what I expect.

01:16:07 ◼   ► It's not what I expect at all.

01:16:08 ◼   ► And I'm gonna stick with it for another week or two,

01:16:10 ◼   ► but I think I might end up turning the Always On off.

01:16:13 ◼   ► What do you think?

01:16:14 ◼   ► - Here's what I did on the first day with Always On.

01:16:16 ◼   ► So I had already set up IO 16 lock screens on my old phone,

01:16:21 ◼   ► so I played with them a little bit,

01:16:22 ◼   ► but of course it changes the equation a little bit

01:16:25 ◼   ► for Always On because now you also have a new way

01:16:27 ◼   ► to see your lock screen, which is slightly dimmed,

01:16:30 ◼   ► and selecting every widget may change

01:16:32 ◼   ► based on what you might want to see

01:16:34 ◼   ► on the slightly dim thing or whatever.

01:16:36 ◼   ► I played with that.

01:16:37 ◼   ► I did, you know, I made a couple of different setups

01:16:40 ◼   ► that I thought would be good with Always On.

01:16:43 ◼   ► The first problem I encountered was that the lock screens

01:16:46 ◼   ► I had made for iOS 16 and my 12 Pro

01:16:48 ◼   ► is pictures of my family,

01:16:50 ◼   ► which I think maybe we talked about it in the last show.

01:16:53 ◼   ► I don't have any photos that fit a long skinny lock screen.

01:16:56 ◼   ► So I had to like use, you know, AI extensions of backgrounds

01:16:59 ◼   ► to get the right arrangement.

01:17:01 ◼   ► But anyway, it's pictures of my family.

01:17:02 ◼   ► And the cool feature of iOS 16 is you can make it

01:17:06 ◼   ► so the lock screen has several pictures

01:17:08 ◼   ► and rotates through them,

01:17:09 ◼   ► so you don't have to pick just one.

01:17:10 ◼   ► So I just put everything on my family.

01:17:11 ◼   ► That was nice.

01:17:12 ◼   ► The problem with that is, and I said last week,

01:17:16 ◼   ► I keep thinking I'm getting a call, a telephone call.

01:17:19 ◼   ► Always on screen exacerbates that.

01:17:21 ◼   ► Because when my phone's sitting on a surface

01:17:23 ◼   ► and it's always on and I glance at it

01:17:25 ◼   ► and I see a picture of my wife, I'm like,

01:17:26 ◼   ► oh, my wife's calling.

01:17:27 ◼   ► I must not have heard the phone vibrate.

01:17:28 ◼   ► No, my wife's not calling.

01:17:30 ◼   ► she's just the lock screen and it's always on, right?

01:17:33 ◼   ► I expect my phone to be dark, total black screen

01:17:38 ◼   ► when it's sitting on the table next to me

01:17:39 ◼   ► and only light up when a phone is in,

01:17:41 ◼   ► a call is incoming, right?

01:17:42 ◼   ► I did put a bunch of other stuff there to see

01:17:46 ◼   ► if there was utility that I could extract

01:17:48 ◼   ► from having a screen that was always on.

01:17:50 ◼   ► And I don't think I ever,

01:17:53 ◼   ► like maybe it's a habit I needed to get into,

01:17:55 ◼   ► like, oh, maybe I don't glance at it

01:17:57 ◼   ► 'cause I don't expect there to be anything in there

01:17:58 ◼   ► and now that there is, I'll glance at it

01:17:59 ◼   ► maybe when third parties have better widgets on the lock screen it'll do, but for now I'm

01:18:03 ◼   ► not getting a lot of utility out of it.

01:18:05 ◼   ► This is day one with the Tomb.

01:18:06 ◼   ► I'm like, "I just got to give it a little bit of time."

01:18:08 ◼   ► So when I went to bed on day one, I put my phone in my nightstand as I always do.

01:18:13 ◼   ► I plugged it in because I charge with the cable at night, and then I realized, "Wait

01:18:17 ◼   ► a second.

01:18:18 ◼   ► That screen's not going to go off."

01:18:22 ◼   ► And yes, I could turn my phone over with the screen down, but sometimes you wake up in

01:18:25 ◼   ► the night and you want to look at something or like, I don't know.

01:18:29 ◼   ► That was the last straw for me.

01:18:31 ◼   ► I lasted less than 24 hours with the always on screen.

01:18:34 ◼   ► I said, no, I can't have,

01:18:36 ◼   ► even just emitting the light into the room.

01:18:37 ◼   ► And it's like, it's gonna be always on,