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- So I think I've leveled up as a nerd.
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- I have, for I think the first time ever,
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replaced a toner cartridge on a home laser printer
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in my house.
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- Now is the leveling up having to do with you
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performing the task as in look at what I did,
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I changed my own oil, or is the leveling up
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owning a laser printer long enough to use up all the toner?
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- The latter.
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So, you know, I know all the millenniums out there
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like, I don't even need a printer.
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Okay, I need printers, like that's just my life
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and I don't know how anybody doesn't.
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But anyway, I have always been a fan of laser printers.
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Ever since I discovered them and ever since
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they became affordable, which was, I'd say around 2001, 2002,
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like they started getting those like sub few hundred dollar
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ones that were just black and white
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and like from Brother or whatever
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and they were really good.
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Anyway, over time I have moved on eventually to color lasers
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And my favorite color laser is this giant HP Enterprise 500
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series thing I have in Westchester that is just massive
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and amazing and what I love about it is that you just
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hit print and you walk over to the printer
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and the time you arrive, it's there, it's done.
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Like there's no warm up time, there's no like,
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let me spin for a while and make some noises
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'cause I'm an Epsom thing, like none of that stuff.
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You literally just hit print on your computer,
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get up, walk over to the printer and it's sitting there
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in the tray ready to go.
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I love that.
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But here at the beach, my office is quite small
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and I don't have a location
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that I can put a giant color laser printer.
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So I have a tiny one, this little HP M182NW.
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And through a combination of me not being able
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to fit a bigger printer that I actually want,
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and right now printers are insanely expensive.
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Like I don't know if you've shopped recently for printers.
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I know John, you had one not too long ago,
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but printers ever since COVID,
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printers, especially the kind of printer
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that somebody might want for a home office,
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which tends to lean more towards low-end lasers,
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especially with built-in scanners,
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that category has been expensive
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and hard to find for two years.
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And especially the one I have,
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like I happen to luck out and caught it like for list price
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two years ago when I was setting up this office.
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And I'm very lucky I did because it's been out of stock
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for most of that time or it's been grossly overpriced
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on like, you know, scraper sites.
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- So it's available right now for $660 on Amazon.
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- Oh my God, well the actual price,
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some people have it in stock for its actual current list
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price of about $470, which I think I paid $300 for it
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two years ago. - Ooh, oh my.
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- But a set of new toners is only $200.
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And so I actually needed all four,
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like all four running low, and I lasted a long time
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of ignoring its warnings.
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'Cause when laser printers tell you their toner is low,
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they don't actually know.
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All they're doing is keeping a page count.
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Usually, this is a hot tip, you can just keep printing,
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unless it has some kind of lockout
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where eventually it'll just refuse,
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which most of them don't, you can just keep printing
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until you start seeing gaps in your printout.
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And that's when you know you have to do something.
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Now what you need to do might just be
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taking out the cartridge and shaking it side to side
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a little bit and then putting it back.
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and you can usually get a bit more time out of it that way,
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but eventually you'd actually do have to replace it.
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But it's usually long after it tells you
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you have to replace it.
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But I actually finally have printed enough pages
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on this printer and because it's a small printer,
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it has very tiny capacity toner cartridges.
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So that combination I finally had to replace
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the toner cartridges.
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And because of the crazy printer situation right now,
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it is not worth just buying a new printer,
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which it often, previous to COVID,
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often was just cheaper to do that.
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- Which is so sad.
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- It really is. - But that's neither here
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Well, I'm very proud of you, Marco.
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(electronic beeping)
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A lot of you are gonna buy iPhones soon,
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and that is a lot of money.
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And you know what you can do with some of that money,
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especially if you have a little extra laying around?
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What can you do with that, Marco?
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- Well, you can waste it on electronics
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that you vaguely need,
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or you can actually use it to literally help kids
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with cancer.
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First of all, to have research done to prevent that cancer
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in the first place, then to have a hospital
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that Americans, and because they're Americans,
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they have terrible healthcare options,
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can go to to have their child's cancer treated
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and they never pay a dime, that's a pretty great cause.
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St. Jude does amazing work in this area,
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and we are very happy to join our friends at Relay
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in their September campaign to support them.
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- Whatever your particular financial situation is,
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as much as we joke about buying new phones
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and we're gonna be talking about new phones soon.
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If you have even but a dollar to throw
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in the direction of Memphis, Tennessee,
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specifically to St. Jude, please consider donating.
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You can go to stjude.org, that's S-T-J-U-D-E.org/ATP,
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and you can very quickly and very easily
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go ahead and donate there.
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And this is something that the three of us
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have been involved with for several years now.
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We are all very close with Stephen Hackett.
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Stephen Hackett is the co-founder of Relay FM,
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And his eldest child, his son, was, and to some degree still is, a patient of St. Jude.
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And his son, Josiah's life, was saved by St. Jude.
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Like, I don't think this is up for grabs, I don't think this is up for debate.
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This is what happened.
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For St. Jude to do that and to not charge his family assent is bananas.
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And I know if you lived in a civilized country, this sounds utterly depressing because it is,
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But America, for all its good parts, has a lot of bad parts,
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and one of the bad parts is healthcare.
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And I can assure you, it is financially ruinous
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to go through a devastating illness like this,
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even with insurance.
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And so for St. Jude to say to a family,
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"Look, this is possibly the darkest days
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"of your entire lives.
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"We will take a small part of that and make it better.
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"We will not charge you a cent.
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"We will try to do everything in our power
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"to fix your child and to help them survive and thrive."
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It's a really phenomenal thing, and this has been going on for 60 years.
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They opened their doors in 1962.
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And what's great about St. Jude is that it's not just St. Jude Children's Hospital,
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it's St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.
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And so because of treatments that have been developed at St. Jude,
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the worldwide childhood cancer survival rate has gone from about 20% to more than 80%.
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Now that's not exclusively St. Jude, but it's a lot St. Jude.
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So even if you live in a civilized country where you don't have to worry as much about money
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and things like that when it comes to illness,
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you still have to worry about fixing the illness.
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And St. Jude has done incredible and immense things
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to help cure childhood cancer.
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And hey, you could spend a bunch of money on a phone
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that you'll throw away in a year or two,
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or you could help cure childhood cancer.
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You make the choice, what do you think is best?
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So, Jon, what is our plan for the three of us?
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What are we doing this year?
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- So normally we try to make Casey do a hasty donation
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while he's in the middle of recording another podcast,
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and then he yells at us and accidentally puts an asterisk
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in the name. We're not quite sure how we're going to make Casey donate this year.
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No, no, stop! We discussed it before the show. We said we're not going to rush you to do
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it now, but we don't actually know when. But anyway, we collectively, as the three hosts
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of ATP, will be donating $21,000 to St. Jude this year. One of us will probably try to
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be a jerk and add $1 more than the other members. We'll see how that works out. We haven't actually
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pushed the button at the time of the recording, but we will be doing that. We are trying to
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model good behavior for you, our wonderful listeners.
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So please be generous.
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Think about how much money you're going to spend on your phone.
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And I'm going to say, just buy both.
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That's the Marco approach.
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Don't pick one or the other.
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Buy a ridiculously expensive phone.
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Buy the really expensive first-party Apple case.
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And also donate a ton of money to St. Jude because that's what September is all about.
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Yeah, so my usual pitch is, you know, many of us are about to, you know, sometime this
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holiday season or this fall and possibly even next week, drop some money on some tech. You
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know, whatever Apple's going to release, we're going to figure out reasons why we have to
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have it and we're going to get something. You know, whether you're getting the iPhone
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or the Apple Watch or you know, later on in the fall, maybe you're going to get a new
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iPad or a new Mac or whatever it is. You're going to be spending some money on tech this
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fall in all likelihood if you listen to this show. When that happens, you might have to
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spend like seven or eight hundred dollars or more on something and a lot of times you
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you get these add-ons at the end.
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And that add-on might be something like a case.
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Oh, there's another 60 bucks or whatever.
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Or if it's an iPad, maybe a new smart cover
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or a new keyboard, that's $100 or more.
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And at the end, you might have to throw on,
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oh, let's throw on some AppleCare, that's another $100.
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Oh, sales tax, that's another $100.
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Whatever those little increments are
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that you kind of just do at the end
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because you have to or it's an accessory charge or whatever,
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you can donate at least that much to St. Jude.
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because if that's how you're looking at the purchase,
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oh, I'm gonna get a $700 phone.
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Well, actually, it's gonna be an $800 phone
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once I get the capacity I want or more.
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And then, oh, and then it's gonna be,
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actually, once I'm at the door with AppleCare in a case,
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it's gonna be $1200.
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You know what, you can give Sanju $200.
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And so whatever you can do,
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if your budget is not that high, give him $20,
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give him $50, whatever you can do,
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that's up to you with your abilities
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and your priorities there, that's up to you.
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but we ask that you at least give them something.
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Because giving them something is better
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than giving them nothing, and whatever you can give,
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whether it's five bucks, 10 bucks, or 5,000 bucks,
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that's fantastic, good for you, it's a great cause,
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and we hope you do.
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- What did we do last year for the top donor?
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I remember we made a--
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- I believe KC visited their house
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and made them a Velveeta shells and cheese?
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- We had the thing last year where if someone can beat ATP
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with our $21,000 donation, if they become the new
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top donor, topping us.
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We're just competing, the competition's just between
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ATP and ATP's listeners, there's probably other people
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who are in the mix that you're not competing with,
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or whatever.
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We talked about them on the show, but did they get anything?
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- Stickers, they got stickers.
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- Oh, there we go, do you still have stickers left?
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Are we doing that again?
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- I am happy to do that again, and I do have stickers left.
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However, I do have a limited quantity of stickers left.
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I should probably print some more.
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I can look if you let me step away from the mic
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and dig up the stickers and figure out how many I have,
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But suffice it to say, it would behoove you
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to do a lot of donating and donating it quickly.
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Now, you don't have to say, oh, this is for ATP
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in the notes or anything like that.
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Just send me an email or figure out a way to contact me,
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send me something on Twitter.
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It's not about ATP versus relay or anything like that.
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It's just about raising money to cure childhood.
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Oh, stop it. - A little.
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- It's about raising money for childhood cancer.
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So please, please.
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- Raising money with some competition.
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- Yeah, this kind of competition
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helps people to donate more.
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So if you want to be talked about,
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if you want us to try to mangle your name
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as we try to pronounce it on ATP
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and then apologize profusely
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and then get a sticker from Casey
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if he still has some left,
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all you gotta do is donate $21,000 and one cent.
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- You never know, what if I donate, what is it, $710?
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- I know, yeah, you do have to wait
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until we actually do our donations
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because Casey sometimes shoves in a couple extra bucks.
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- Doesn't it work for anybody who just beats us individually
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'cause we do it as three individual $7,000 donations.
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- Okay, so here's the thing,
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I think that was the case last year,
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but we had some utterly bananas donations last year.
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So I will put the challenge out.
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Okay, here's your competition.
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We're not competing with Relay.
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Here's your competition.
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Can you, the listener, beat the three of us as a collective?
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So, no stickers for you.
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- That's a high bar.
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- I'm serious, this is what happened last year.
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- I would say anybody who beats the $7,000,
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they should get stickers.
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- What we'll have to do is wait until the whole thing
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is over and then see what like the top X donors are
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and see how many stickers we have
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and figure it out from there.
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'Cause we're not trying to make this like,
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obviously most people can't give that much money, right?
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You know, so give one dollar, that's what we want you to do.
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Give five dollars, give 20 dollars, that's great.
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But for the very, very wealthy individuals
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who are listening to this and who are taking our advice
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on what to do with their, you know,
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six figure super hyper cars and stuff,
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and their ATB members at the top level,
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which is exactly the same as the bottom level,
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They might, I mean, it was happened last year.
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People donated a huge amount of money,
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so I don't wanna discourage those people.
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Very wealthy people, gone.
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Do the very wealthy person thing,
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and you may get a sticker worth probably at least 10 cents.
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- Maybe 50, maybe 50 cents.
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- The sticker may be worth as much as the stamp
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that Casey uses to mail it.
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- That's true, that's true.
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- And you can put the 10 cent sticker on your hypercar.
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Like that makes total sense, right?
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- That's right, just peel it off
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and put it on the window of your Ferrari.
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It'll look great until it inevitably wears off
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and Lou dies 'cause it's like a 10 cent sticker.
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- Jon, let me tell you a little secret,
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just between the three of us.
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I actually sent like a couple of stickers to the big donors.
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It was more than one, it was like two, maybe even four.
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I think that somebody donated more than $20,000
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might even have gotten like six.
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- It was a raid array of stickers.
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That's why we have no stickers left.
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This is sticker inflation.
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You gotta be sending these people six stickers.
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You gotta think about the future ones.
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You know we can't actually make any more stickers.
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We've lost the technology for sticker making.
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- Yep, that's right.
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- I think if somebody actually donates like $21,001,
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I think they can get like a pack of stickers at that point.
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What is a pack of stickers, like 10 bucks?
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- You can give them Marco's old toner cartridge.
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We'll think of something.
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- No, it's already gone.
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I don't have enough room in this office
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to keep spares around.
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- Well actually, if you really wanna go nuts,
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this is going way off the rails,
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the speakers that you sent to me and gifted me,
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I never ended up doing anything with them
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because then I immediately got the studio display
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right after and that was sufficient for my purposes.
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So you can have third hand Marco speakers
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if you're in the continental United States.
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- That sounds more like a curse gift.
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- I think I'm kidding.
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- You gotta buy a receiver to connect them to
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and it's the whole thing.
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- I think I'm kidding but we'll see.
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If you donate like $30,000 we'll talk.
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And CMF in the chat said, you know,
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would you send whoever the top donor is an apple pie
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as made by Aaron 'cause Aaron makes
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some of the world's best apple pies.
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I don't think that's really feasible
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but I like where your head's at
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And if you really do donate tens and tens of thousands of dollars,
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let's see what we can figure out. I had no guarantees on anything.
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I don't think you can ship food in the mail like that.
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I don't think it would survive or be.
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Maybe we'll send the recipe. I don't know.
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You're going to send the recipe?
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I don't know, man. I've just worked with you. Play with me in the space here.
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The display postscript of food prizes.
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Well, actually, you know, here's what, if we get a hundred thousand dollar donation,
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will you send them a pasta sauce recipe? I'll put you on the spot.
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For a hundred thousand dollars. You got to John's.
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happen but yeah I will oh no challenge accepted but not for me nobody wants it
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but yeah I hear you heard it here first hundred thousand dollar donation you get
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John's pasta sauce recipe which you may not share with anyone that's part of the
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deal you may not share it with anyone but you can have it and however you make
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it it will be wrong yeah that's all Merlin made it and he said he liked it
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then he never made it again because it's just too much work and he made it wrong
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no he made it fine as far as I know oh my goodness all right complicated in any
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case, please, please, please, all kidding aside, and really and truly, as much as we're joking
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about the big ticket donors, honest to goodness, the fundraising is not about the, you know,
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$1,000 donation, the $10,000 donation, the $100,000 donation to get John's Pasta Sauce recipe.
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It's about the $10, and $20, and $30 donations. If you're a student and you can only send a few
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bucks, send a few bucks! Feel good about yourself. There's nothing wrong with that. So please,
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you're going to hear this a few more times. You'll hear it all through September, but please,
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please, please consider going to stju.org/ATP. Nobody's making you, you don't have to, but if you
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have a few dollars to send their way, it would make the three of us and kids sick with cancer
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very, very happy. So please think about it. All right, we have a surprisingly short amount to
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follow up this week. Jon, can you tell me about your polarizer and your lens protector?
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That's something new I did this year, and I was reminded when I was going through a bunch of my
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camera junk on my shelf that I actually did this back when I got my first like Sony a6300 my first
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interchangeable lens camera I had bought I don't like a clear lens protector that like screws onto
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the front of the lens to protect it from things hitting it or scratches and stuff like that and
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I never really used it like I didn't even remember that I had it until I found it up on the shelf
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I'm like oh yeah I remember when I got this and I guess I didn't use it and I think why I didn't use
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it was after I bought it, I don't even know why I bought it, it was probably suggested
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to me as like other people bought this, you know, whatever.
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People were saying, oh you shouldn't put that on there because with an APS-C camera like
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that you need all the light you can get to the sensor and even though these things are
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ostensibly clear, sometimes they cut down the amount of light that goes in especially
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if they're not so good and plus you can get glare and reflections and they were naysayers
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I was like, "Oh, I don't want any of that, and I need all the light I can get, so I won't
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use this thing."
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But when I went on my recent Long Island vacation, I'd totally forgotten about that, but I was
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looking through lens stuff, and I was getting suggested to me by various e-commerce sites,
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polarizers and clear lens protectors.
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Clear lens protectors I was interested in because I had just bought, thanks to Marcos
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first gift, a very, very expensive lens, and that I didn't want it to get scratched.
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And I'm like, "Okay, well, if I get a clear lens cover, that will help protect it."
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And I watched some YouTube videos about that, like, "Yeah, the clear ones are pretty good,
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and it's way cheaper to replace them than it is to try to replace a lens that has a
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scratch on it."
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I was kind of surprised at how expensive a clear piece of whatever the heck it is that
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screws onto your lens can possibly be.
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but I'm like, it's that the floor mats effect
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where you're buying a $30,000 car
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and $150 for floor mats doesn't seem so bad, right?
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When if you were just buying floor mats by themselves
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and they were $150, you'd be like, what?
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Although my price is right up to date,
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I should probably say like $500
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of what the hell floor mats cost now.
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So I was considering that.
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And also in the same sort of genre of suggested products
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were polarizers, which is the thing you put on the lens
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your camera that is, it's like polarized sunglasses that cuts down on light whose wavelength is,
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what is it, it's not the wavelength, it's the cut down light with the direction of the waves lines
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up in a certain way, right? And so I actually decided to get both of those things. I got the
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clear protective lens for my very expensive lens that I was going to use like then you know by just
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sort of everyday lens that I was going to use for people sitting on the beach towel and people back
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at the house and stuff like that.
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And then I got a polarizer from my long lens
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for people out in the ocean,
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'cause you do get a lot of glare
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and reflections off of the ocean.
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And when I got the polarizer,
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I was kind of surprised to see
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that it didn't have any markings on it.
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So the way the polarizer works is,
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I don't know if you've ever done this
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with like pieces of an LCD or whatever,
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but you twist it, and when you twist it in one direction,
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it's basically clear, not really,
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it cuts down some light, but it's basically clear.
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It's not doing anything polarizing.
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And when you twist it, I think 90 degrees,
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that's maximum polarized filtering
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where it will cancel out the light waves
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that are aligned in a particular direction, right?
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But there's nothing on the little thing that says,
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this position is off and this position is on
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and all the positions in between.
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Like, well, maybe they don't put the markings
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'cause it's so obvious when you look through the lens
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which direction it is.
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And for me, it was kind of like the lip sync thing.
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It was not obvious.
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I had to go out to my car on my driveway on a sunny day,
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look through the viewfinder and twist the thing.
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And then you would see, okay, I see the highlights,
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the reflections of the sun bouncing off my car,
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the twist, twist, twist,
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ah, they've kind of almost disappeared.
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Then twist, twist, like, ah, they're back.
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And so doing that, I figured out where the sort of,
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as best as I could judge where the maximum effect was
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and where the off position was,
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but still no markings on the filter, which is really weird.
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And both of those, both of the clear one
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that I put on my expensive lens and the polarizer
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that I put on my long lens, very expensive.
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Very expensive for a circular thing.
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And I guess, I mean I did a lot of research
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and reviews of them, I guess there can be such a thing
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as a bad one in terms of reflections
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and how much light they let through
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and just general sturdiness and reliability
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and getting stuck on the lens and you know,
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is there any-- - Yeah, well 'cause if you
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think about it, like you're adding another layer of glass
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and so there's a lot of different qualities
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of optical glass and their coatings and their treatments
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and whatever they're being held in by.
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So it kind of makes sense when you think about it that way.
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You're adding kind of like another lens in a way,
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like another glass element.
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And so there are lots of ways to make OK glass for OK prices.
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But if you want really good glass
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that your incredible camera sensor can see through it
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with clarity and not have distortions or reflections
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or whatever else, like, yeah, OK, that actually
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could be a fairly high-end, precisely manufactured thing.
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So was this by any chance just the B&W brand?
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That's always what I bought.
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- What did I get?
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No, I think my polarizer was like Polartec or something,
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and the Clear one, I forget the brand of the Clear one.
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Like I was trying to price control on the Clear one.
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- And was the Clear one technically a quote,
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"UV and haze filter?"
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- Yeah, they always say that they're UV filters
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or whatever, and I can look up the brands,
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and I'll put the links in the show notes,
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but they were both over $100.
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I think I brought lenses that were less expensive
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than this polarizer.
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- Yeah, I mean for like a BMW UV haze,
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that's usually like 80 bucks,
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and I think the polarizer's usually like a 150
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or something like that, in that range.
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It depends how big they are.
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- They're expensive.
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And the other kind of filter people mentioned in the chat
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is a neutral density filter, an ND filter,
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that's basically just to cut down on the amount of light
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that's going into your camera.
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In fact, some cinema cameras have ND filters
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like inside the body that you can swap between.
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it's such a common thing.
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The main reason I thought the polarizer would be useful,
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as I said, if you're taking pictures of people
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in the waves at the ocean on a sunny day,
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there's lots of glare off the water in the ocean, right?
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You know, especially like the tips of waves,
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and you know, there are lots of curling water shapes
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that are going to potentially reflect a lot of water
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into the camera lens.
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Now, those reflections, it's not like they're necessarily
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bad, it really depends on what you're going for.
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So if you look at a lot of the sort of tutorials
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about polarizing filters, they show a lot of things
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with like landscape photography, let's say.
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Let's say you're taking a picture of this river
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and the mountains in the background.
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And all you're getting, all you can see in the river,
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because it's very still, is just a reflection of the sky.
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But if you put a polarizing filter,
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now you can actually see the river
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and the ripples in the water and the stones in it.
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And that's kind of an artistic choice,
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'cause maybe I want the reflection of the sky.
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Maybe, that's not something I want to cut out,
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but if you're trying to, for example,
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take a picture of the clear river
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showing the stones under the water,
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and all you can see is reflection,
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you don't see a single stone,
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that's where you want a polarizer
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that's hopefully gonna knock down that reflection.
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I think the idea is that like,
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when sunlight reflects off of like a surface,
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like a flat reflective surface of the water,
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that aligns the light waves in such a way
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that the polarizer can knock them out,
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versus sunlight that is just scattering randomly
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or coming from the sun,
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the polarizer is not gonna cut that out, right?
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So the upshot is I took all of my,
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pretty much all of my beach pictures with the long lens
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with the polarizer on it.
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And it was serving multiple purposes.
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It was also protecting my long lens,
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which is also kind of expensive.
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It was preventing water spray from getting up inside
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and onto my lens, right?
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And it was, in theory, cutting down glare and stuff.
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I have to say, after the entire vacation of taking pictures,
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it's hard for me to tell, to look at a picture and say,
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"Oh, I can tell how the polarizer helped this picture
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because if I hadn't had it, I would have seen X, Y, or Z."
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'Cause it's hard to see the reflections that aren't there
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that would be, because there's plenty of other reflections.
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It's not like it gets rid of them entirely.
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For example, when I was looking at my shiny car,
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there was still reflections on the car,
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but by twisting the polarizer, I could see,
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oh, it's knocking down these reflections.
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And you'd see those highlights go away
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and then they come back,
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and those highlights go away and come back.
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But there were other reflections in the car
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that it didn't knock down.
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It was just sort of like the big reflections
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from the sun bouncing off it or whatever.
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So the main reason I went through all this
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is just to ask both of you
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if you have ever used polarizers or lens protectors
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or what you think about this entire concept.
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Is it something that, I mean, the protection thing,
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I don't think I need to pay any attention.
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It's like, look, if you want to spend 100 bucks
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to prevent something from damaging your umpteen thousand
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dollar lens, then do it, and whatever cost you have to pay
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in light that you're blocking, like whatever.
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But the polarizer, I'm less sure about.
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So it sounds like, Marco, you've had some experience
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with this, do you actually use these things,
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or do you have them but never actually put them
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on your cameras?
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- I used to use them, but a polarization filter,
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It's like polarized sunglasses.
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As you said, it can look really good.
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It also comes with the cost of reduced light going in,
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which means the other parts of image quality will suffer
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as a result of less light.
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Usually I'm not willing to make that trade-off.
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The times that I would want it were few and far between,
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whereas the times that I would not want it
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were almost every other time,
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and so I would just leave it off the lens,
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and eventually we would just forget about it.
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- I mean, I guess because I didn't dislike it,
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and most of the time there is more than enough light
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on a sunny day at the beach that is not, you know, it's not my problem that I don't have
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enough light in that situation.
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I'll probably stick to the polarizer.
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I mean, it's still on my lens right now.
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Same thing with the thing protecting my expensive lens, because now it's kind of like a security
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blanket of like, you know, it might scratch it over because my favorite lens, my favorite,
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my old favorite APS-C 50 millimeter prime, I do have a tiny scratch on that lens.
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I have no idea how it got there, but it bothers me.
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And I definitely can't see this filter made any bad effects on my, the clear one made
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any bad effects on the pictures stuck with that camera. So I'm not sure what to do, but
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I didn't know if you have any opinions on polarizers or filters.
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I have a couple of quick pieces of follow-up.
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First of all, Johannes Zander wrote in with regard to the calibration of rock band instruments.
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So if you're not familiar, rock band was either an offshoot or a clone of Guitar Hero, and
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both of these games were super popular.
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I want to say in the early aughts maybe.
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- 2006, 2007.
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- Okay, so mid-aughts.
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So these were rhythm games where you played something
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that vaguely looks like a guitar or something
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that's kind of like a drum or a bass or what have you.
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And there was a microphone and you would play along
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with things that were falling,
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like little symbols falling down the screen,
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kind of sort of like Dance Dance Revolution.
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And they were super fun, or at least I always thought
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They were super duper fun.
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- They were super fun. - It's rock band.
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Okay, good, I'm glad I'm not--
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- No ifs, ands, or buts about it.
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Rock band was awesome, Guitar Hero was awesome,
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and I miss these games, they were super fun.
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- Same, yeah, they were super great party games.
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- You get this big plastic band going,
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and it takes up your entire closet
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when you're not playing it.
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- Yep, it was a lot of fun.
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And the problem with this, though, is it's a rhythm game,
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and it's based on you reacting.
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Like, your ability to do well is based on you reacting
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quickly to what's happening on screen,
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and hitting, you know, quote, unquote, strumming,
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which really means hitting a button or, you know,
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hitting the drum at the right moment.
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And that means you really need to have
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everything calibrated correctly.
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You need to have the instrument and the system
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that it's attached to know when you should be hitting
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the button to compare that against
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when you did hit the button.
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And I was reminded via this video
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that we'll put in the show notes,
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that the way that Rock Band got around this
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was they had a little camera, or at least a light sensor,
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I guess it wasn't really a full on camera,
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a light sensor on the guitar,
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and also a microphone on the guitar,
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and there was two different kinds of calibration
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you could do, one where it would play beeps repeatedly,
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and it would measure how long it took
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for that beep to reach the guitar,
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and presumably get all the way back
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to the PlayStation or Wii or what have you,
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and then a different mode
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where it would flash the screen white,
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and it would detect how long it took
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for the guitar to see the screen turn white.
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And so it calibrated itself,
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and I guess what I'm saying in a roundabout way
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is John, if you would like to properly calibrate your TV,
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you just need to bust out Rockband
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and have it tell you the millisecond delay
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for your television setup.
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- I mean, that's the type of thing that I was looking for,
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some way to do automatic calibration
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with like an iPhone app or whatever,
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but like I said last time,
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in this type of tool chain of measuring delay,
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when the possible effect of the instruments you're using
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is a large percentage of the delay
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that you're gonna be dialing in,
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it can really mess things up.
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So for example, last time we were talking about an iOS app
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that said, oh, well the iPhone itself induces
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X amount of delay, so you just have to kinda hard code that
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by looking up this table of things that I measure
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with some other equipment, right?
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And that was a pretty big percentage
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of the total adjustment, so if you get that wrong,
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who knows what you could be doing, right?
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So with the Rockband things, how much delay is introduced
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by the game or the controller or the sensor?
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Obviously, Rockband is calibrating itself to itself,
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So it's probably fine because it knows what it's doing within its context, but if I calibrated
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with a rock band thing, would that be correctly calibrated for watching video on Apple TV?
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Especially if the TV is in game mode, which may have different latency values for the
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television itself than the mode you watch movies in or whatever.
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So really I just wish this was built into the television.
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And if they have to use a phone app or whatever to do it, that would be great.
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But the real way to do any of these things is with actual calibration equipment.
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And when TV reviewers measure the input lag on televisions, they're using equipment kind
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of like this, not Rockband, but similar like a light sensor and stuff like that.
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And even in that scenario, there are lots of different choices TV reviewers can make
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about what they're measuring and how they measure it and what number they're putting
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They just have to be internally consistent to let you know, "Hey, this TV has less lag
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than this TV."
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But the absolute values can be affected by how and what they choose to measure.
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so it's trickier than you might think.
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I'm just trying to get lip sync right.
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Like I'm not, I don't need the,
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I don't even game on this TV,
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so I don't need the ultimate lowest possible lag,
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and I was never any good at rock bands, so.
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- It would be kind of funny if they actually did
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use rock band for this purpose,
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and there was like this black market,
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like people like keeping Xbox 360s alive
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with these old copies of rock band,
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just for this purpose in this specialized industry
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of calibration.
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- That would be amazing.
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- Real calibration equipment actually costs
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even more than the very expensive plastic instruments
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that they would sell for those games.
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- It was expensive, but man was it fun.
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- All right, it is the week before the new iPhone,
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or at least that's what we are to assume.
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As we discussed last week, we got press invites to watch it.
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None of us, as of the time of this recording,
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have been invited to watch it in person.
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We were simply invited to watch the livestream.
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But it is about that time,
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and we need to do the genuinely excellent idea
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Marco came up with a few years back,
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which is the iPhone 13 and watch series seven exit interviews.
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Now-- - Step inside, close the door.
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- Yeah, right?
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I love that you can actually say that
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because you've probably never had an exit interview
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in your life, have you?
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- No. - But see, there you go.
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But that was well done.
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All right, I do not have a series seven in the house,
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so I have literally nothing to say about it.
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- I've never worked at a place where my boss had an office
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with a door that closed.
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- Ah, fair, fair.
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I have on and off, but not always.
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I do not have a Series 7 in the house,
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so I have nothing to say about it.
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Jon, does Tina have a Series 7?
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I don't recall.
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- Yeah, I'm pretty sure she does.
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I think she just got it because she was going for a five,
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and it was like, I think we talked about this before,
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but I haven't heard anything bad about it,
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so I think that's a good sign.
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She's a dedicated Apple watch user.
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She wears it every single day.
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She has many, many watch bands, and she likes it,
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which is why she keeps getting new ones,
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and the fact that I haven't heard anything about this one
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means it's probably pretty much doing its job.
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The only thing I can recall recently is that she still,
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she still doesn't seem to have a lot of faith
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in the cellular functionality.
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In other words, she always says, she says,
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I don't rely on it.
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Like if it works and it's there, that's a great bonus,
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but she always makes sure she has her phone.
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I don't think that's the fault of the watch.
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Although I do think it is.
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There may be something to the idea that the transmit power
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of the cell radio inside Apple watches
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is less than that of a phone
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just because the battery is so much smaller,
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but I'm not sure if that's actually true.
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All I know is that she does not believe in it.
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Doesn't believe it is as reliable as her phone
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when it comes to cell reception.
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But she tends, like I said, she tends not to use it
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like you have sometimes Casey where you say,
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"I can leave my phone, I don't need it, I've got the watch.
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"I can do everything I need."
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That's not how she uses her watch.
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- Well, and I haven't done that in years.
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In fact, when I did my switch from AT&T to Verizon,
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I decided to change my Apple Watch
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from having cellular service.
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Like obviously the hardware still is capable of it,
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but what I ended up doing was deciding
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I'd rather put that money toward my iPad
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and give my iPad cellular service,
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which I think I pretty vastly prefer.
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Part of that is because I don't really run anymore.
00:35:08
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Like I was a semi-avid runner
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and I would leave my phone at home
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and I would run with just my watch and my AirPods,
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which is amazing and I love it,
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but I just got away from running
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and it seems silly to pay the $15 a month after taxes
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or whatever it is for something that I used almost never.
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And obviously everyone's mileage may vary,
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but for me, I think that money is much better spent
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And so I do plan, 'cause I'm on a Series 6,
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I do plan on Aaron and I getting new watches this year
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and my current intention as I sit here now
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is for the first time since I think the cellular watch
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was a thing, my intention is to not get a cellular watch
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this year and to just get a regular watch,
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a non-cellular WiFi only, and WiFi and Bluetooth only one.
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- Yeah, and I think I've seen,
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I know I've seen her look at her messages,
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like text messages on her watch,
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so she has been offloading more of her phone functionality,
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and I'd say this is relevant to the Series 7
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because the main feature it had over the 6
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was the screen was a little bit bigger,
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which, you know, oh, it's bigger by a tiny amount,
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but when the screen space is so small to begin with,
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every little bit helps, and so I've seen her
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look at messages, and I know sometimes
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when she's been out, when I send a message,
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she gets it on her watch and she replies on her watch,
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I think, I'm not sure if she's using
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the graffiti scribble thing with her finger,
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if she's using voice or whatever,
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but I've seen her reply to things on her watch as well,
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and I feel like that is slightly more likely to happen
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with the slightly bigger screen on the Series 7.
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So I would say the 7 was a boring year
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where the watch just got a little bit better in a few ways,
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but that's fine.
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And again, with her upgrading from a 5, thumbs up.
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- Yeah, when the 7 came out, it seemed like a very,
00:36:49
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very small upgrade because the highlights basically were
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it supported faster charging with its new special USB-C cable
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that's different from the USB-C cable they've sold for years
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that was like one foot long for travel.
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So it's like if you happen to have this one special cable
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that came with it, it could charge faster,
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which is useful if you wear it overnight or something.
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So there was that and the screen got a little bit bigger
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and a little bit brighter.
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But I came to appreciate it more
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because I've kept my six around
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for development testing and stuff,
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and I've occasionally had to wear the six
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for a whole day for some reason or another,
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and I really do appreciate the seven's benefit.
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When you go back, when you've been using a seven,
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you go back to the six,
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you realize how much of an upgrade it actually was.
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It actually was pretty good.
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It wasn't as big as some of the earlier years
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where they changed more things.
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It still has the same processor, I think,
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for the second or third year in a row,
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So it hasn't gotten faster recently,
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but it's pretty much fast enough for now.
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But the bigger and brighter screen, you really do notice.
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And especially as Rama was saying,
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you get a couple more words of text.
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And I wear the small size, the 41 millimeter now,
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having the smaller screen in the first place,
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that little bit more really does help.
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You really do get a little bit more space.
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This was the first size watch that I wore
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that was able to have the onscreen keyboard.
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And I've only had to use it like two or three times
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in the year I've been wearing this.
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But I was glad it was there those two or three times.
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Like one of them I had to type in my Apple ID password.
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And I can't imagine having to do that like any other,
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like with the scribble or whatever else,
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like that would be terrible.
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It was bad enough on the keyboard.
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So anyway, I've actually really enjoyed the Series 7.
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And this is the first year that I tried the titanium
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as the metal.
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I gotta say I'm totally converted.
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I love the titanium.
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It's really nice.
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So I've been a silver steel person
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for years and years and years.
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And I still love the look of the silver steel.
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But this year, I was tired of buying the same watch
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every time, basically.
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And so I was like, just for variety, let me try titanium.
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Everyone says it's really nice.
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Let me see it.
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And I love how much lighter it is.
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I love a light watch.
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In the regular watch world,
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I mean, most regular watches are lighter than the Apple Watch
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because they don't have batteries,
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giant lithium batteries taking up most of their volume.
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But still, in the regular watch world,
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they also have titanium watches there,
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and the Apple Watch is not as light as them
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because, again, the battery.
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But I love a light watch.
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It's so delightful feeling to have this light thing
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on your wrist that you can barely even tell it's there.
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- Did you get the space black titanium
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or the regular titanium?
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- No, I got the silver titanium,
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which I think looks better, personally.
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The Space Blast Titanium I think is so close
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to the black or near black aluminum colors
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that it's, I don't think that's really worth it
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in my opinion, but that's up to other people.
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I don't care what you buy.
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Anyway, but yeah, it has a very different finish.
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Like where the aluminum is kind of bead blast or whatever,
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so it's this kind of diffuse, like staticky finish.
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The titanium is brushed in one direction,
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like long ways on the sides.
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And it just, it looks really nice.
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It has a wonderful way it plays with the light.
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And it is like a little bit more subtle
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and frankly looks a little bit more high end
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than the polished stainless steel.
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And that surprised me,
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'cause I love the stainless steel look,
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but I love the titanium even more.
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And that's why I was actually,
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I'm actually kind of disappointed that
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the rumors, which we'll get to in a little bit,
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are kind of unclear as to whether there will be
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a titanium small watch.
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But well, I hope there is,
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'cause I've really come to enjoy it.
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But anyway, I've been very happy with this watch,
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and I keep using it more and more,
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like as time is going on, I'm wearing mechanicals less,
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and I'm wearing the Apple Watch more,
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as the Apple Watch gets better.
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And so I expect that trend to continue this coming year,
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but the Series 7, honestly, I'm at the point where,
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I say this during a lot of the exit interviews,
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where I'm like, we're like,
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I actually don't know what I would change about this.
00:41:09
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And I'm sure Apple will show us next week
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why I absolutely must have to have the new thing.
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But right now, as it stands now,
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I'm not sure what I would change
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besides software things.
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I would love to, I have tons of software tweets
00:41:22
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I could suggest, but hardware-wise,
00:41:25
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it's pretty nice already.
00:41:27
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- Apple could easily make you buy this
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by just making it a lot thinner.
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I don't think they will 'cause they need the battery,
00:41:32
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but that's the, 'cause Apple Watch,
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unlike many of Apple's other products,
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has not been on a trajectory of getting thinner.
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In fact, I think the Series Zero is still the thinnest one
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that they ever sold, maybe.
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So if and when we get to a point where there's
00:41:47
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some kind of technological advancement that
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allows a significant decrease in thickness,
00:41:52
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that is the obvious next step.
00:41:54
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Because the Apple Watch is as thick as it is not based
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on style, because plenty of watches
00:41:58
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are big and chunky as a style choice.
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It's as thin as it is, because that's
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as thin as they can possibly make it while still having
00:42:05
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good battery life and I don't think they want to sacrifice battery life to keep trying to make it
00:42:10
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thinner. In fact, they've made it thicker over time. So I don't think they're going to make
00:42:15
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the series eight really thinner, but that would do it. If they, if they had one that was like
00:42:19
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half the thickness and styled to be thin like that, you would buy it immediately.
00:42:22
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Well, maybe. So they, it got the thickest one, I believe is still the series three.
00:42:27
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It went up in thickness up to three and then with four, they kind of cut it back down. And I, I
00:42:31
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I think we're still below what the three was.
00:42:34
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But regardless, the way it's styled
00:42:37
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and the way it sets off the wrist
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with the little sensor bump,
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I think it actually is basically thin enough.
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Right now it looks, I mean, I don't know
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how the numbers in front of me,
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but the body without the little puck on the bottom
00:42:47
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looks to be somewhere in the 11 or 12 millimeter
00:42:50
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thickness range, and for watches of this size,
00:42:52
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that's very, very common.
00:42:54
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It isn't an ultra-thin watch,
00:42:57
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but this is not a thick watch.
00:42:58
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When you compare it to other mechanicals
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similar size classes, it's not a thick watch anymore. The series three was was too thick,
00:43:04
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but the the modern ones are not in my opinion. And so I don't I don't think they really need
00:43:11
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to go thinner. So I mean, overall, like again, like I think the series seven, I think it's a
00:43:16
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very good watch. And I'm, you know, the only thing that I wish for, again, are software things or,
00:43:23
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you know, more sensors, as Apple is rumored to add. And that's, you know, that might get me
00:43:28
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because that's one of the reasons why I wear it so much
00:43:31
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is health sensors.
00:43:33
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I really appreciate that.
00:43:35
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As I'm pretty solidly middle-aged now,
00:43:38
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and I love, when I had COVID a few weeks back,
00:43:42
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I loved that I had a history of my oxygen levels.
00:43:45
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And so I could make sure that things were staying
00:43:49
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within healthy ranges and not changing.
00:43:51
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Thanks, Apple.
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It even alerted me after I was locked in my house
00:43:58
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for a few days, it alerted me that my step count
00:44:03
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and calorie burns were down compared to usual.
00:44:06
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And first of all, I was kind of like,
00:44:08
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screw you, I have COVID, I can't leave my house.
00:44:12
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But also, I was like, I'm actually glad that it noticed.
00:44:15
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Like it gave me, the health app on my phone
00:44:18
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gave me a notification saying like,
00:44:20
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hey, we detected a change in your pattern.
00:44:22
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And then it's a wonderful euphemism.
00:44:24
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You go in and see what the change is
00:44:25
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and it's like this huge drop off in my activity.
00:44:28
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And I'm like, oh God, like, you know, thanks.
00:44:31
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You know, I don't feel good about this,
00:44:33
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but I at least know why.
00:44:34
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And I'm glad that was there for me.
00:44:36
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The day before I tested positive,
00:44:39
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I didn't feel super great,
00:44:41
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and I got the high heart rate alert for the very first time
00:44:43
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that's like, hey, your heart rate's a bit high
00:44:45
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considering you don't seem to be moving.
00:44:48
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And you know, at the time I just kind of wrote it off as,
00:44:50
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well, you know, maybe my watch is having a false alarm,
00:44:52
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but I had never seen that happen.
00:44:55
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I've never gotten that as a false alarm.
00:44:57
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So I thought like something was probably not wrong with me
00:45:00
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and it was just weird,
00:45:01
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but I was feeling really tired that day.
00:45:03
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Like, and then, and sure enough,
00:45:05
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the next morning I test positive
00:45:06
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and I actually had COVID that, you know,
00:45:07
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for, you know, that was festering during that time.
00:45:09
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So something was off.
00:45:11
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So it actually did work.
00:45:13
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And so, you know,
00:45:14
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I really appreciate the Apple Watch health sensors.
00:45:16
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And so if the rumors are true
00:45:17
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that they're gonna add maybe a body temperature,
00:45:20
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you know, sensor to detect fluctuations
00:45:22
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in your body temperature or, you know, abnormalities,
00:45:24
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Like, that's really good to know.
00:45:25
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That's useful information.
00:45:27
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Ideally, I would love, you know,
00:45:28
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in the future, I know they've been working for a long time,
00:45:32
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as many companies have, for a through the skin
00:45:35
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blood glucose monitoring method.
00:45:37
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That's obviously massive for diabetics,
00:45:39
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but even for non-diabetics,
00:45:42
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to be able to track your blood glucose throughout the day
00:45:43
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would be incredible and would open up all sorts of new
00:45:46
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avenues for health monitoring and management.
00:45:49
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So if they ever get that, that would be a game changer.
00:45:52
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But even if they stay with simpler stuff
00:45:54
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like body temperature and blood oxygen,
00:45:56
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I still get value out of that.
00:45:58
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And so whatever they can do to add more sensors
00:46:01
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and more health monitoring and more proactive alerts
00:46:03
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of things being off, I am all for that,
00:46:06
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especially as I inevitably get older.
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- All right, so let's talk iPhone 13 Pro.
00:48:18
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Now, Jon, remind me, you are on the 12 Pro,
00:48:21
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or you're on the 12 Pro this year, right?
00:48:23
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- 12 Pro, and my wife has a 13 Pro.
00:48:26
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- Okay, do you want to channel your inner Tina
00:48:28
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and tell me what you/she thinks about the 13?
00:48:31
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- Yeah, so, I mean, again, she hasn't really had
00:48:33
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any complaints about her phone for the most part.
00:48:35
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Her main complaint was the MagSafe battery pack
00:48:40
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is not as good for her uses as the old thing
00:48:43
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where you'd get a battery case from Apple
00:48:46
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that would only work with your phone.
00:48:47
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We talked about this back when this product came out.
00:48:50
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The good thing about the battery pack is in theory you can reuse it on your next phone,
00:48:53
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which has generally not been true of Apple's battery cases, but the bad thing is that it
00:48:57
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is easy to knock off your phone, it's smaller, has lower capacity, and it's just generally
00:49:01
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more annoying than just a very snug fitting battery case.
00:49:05
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And how does she destroy her battery?
00:49:07
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With Pokemon Go, which she plays a lot, and that game totally mauls the battery on the
00:49:13
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I feel like there's special features that have been added to that game to destroy your
00:49:16
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Is it doing Bitcoin mining? I don't know, but boy does that game destroy your battery.
00:49:21
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So can I can I interrupt please? I have been playing just a teeny bit of Pokemon Go in the support of Declan
00:49:26
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who has also been playing a teeny bit of Pokemon Go. Don't worry about it, long story.
00:49:30
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But suffice it to say that game, the rumors of how bad it destroys your battery are complete BS.
00:49:37
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It is so much worse than people say. Now granted, I did put the beta on not too long after I started playing Pokemon Go.
00:49:46
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so maybe I'm misattributing my battery loss, but oh my gosh, it is a battery murderer.
00:49:54
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It deserves like a capital punishment for battery murder.
00:49:58
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It's ridiculous how bad that game utterly destroys your battery.
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And it is no wonder that people probably like Tina have like two in three battery packs
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or are carrying around like a laptop sized battery pack with a cable attached to it.
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Oh my word, is it bad.
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What is it doing back there?
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- Well, think about it.
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It's using GPS and the camera,
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and you're watching the screen the whole time,
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and it's doing AR projection, and yeah, and a 3D.
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It's basically spending as much computing power
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using as many of the device's high power methods as possible.
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- It's bananas.
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Like, I cannot believe it.
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- Yeah, this is why my wife's purse weighs so much,
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'cause it's filled with, well,
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it's filled with like 4R phones,
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because she pays them multiple accounts,
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'cause it's like the people who play multiple slot machines
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at once in Vegas, right?
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- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Anyway.
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And also, all of the power pack, battery pack,
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lithium ion batteries that she's got in there,
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on top of, like she used to have her main phone
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inside a battery case, now she has the little MagSafe,
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and she has the MagSafe thing in her car,
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so when it's on the MagSafe car mount in her car,
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it's also charging, but she also has wired connectors
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in her car, just, this is a constant battery.
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But anyway, so that was her only real complaint
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about the 13 was the little, the smaller battery thing
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that comes off real easy is not as good as a battery case.
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But otherwise, she's been mostly fine with it.
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I don't use her phone, but I occasionally do pick it up
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to do something with it or take a picture.
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'Cause if both of our phones are around,
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I usually wanna take a picture with her thing
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'cause her camera's better than mine.
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'Cause I got the 12 Pro,
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so I use her phone to take pictures or whatever.
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And obviously I haven't been using it
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for the year that she's had it,
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but I have picked it up a lot of times
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and I've never gotten used to the giant camera bump
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and the case that highlights the giant camera bump.
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I've never gotten used to the way her phone sits on the table
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because it is elevated from the,
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she's got an Apple leather case, I believe on it.
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It doesn't sit on the table evenly.
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And when I pick it up and use it,
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my finger hits the little, you know,
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the wall that's around the camera bump.
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And so that's my main complaint about 13 Pro.
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I feel like the camera has crossed a line
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where it is bothersome to me,
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which does not bode well for the 14 Pro,
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which I'm supposedly getting this year,
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which as we'll talk about in a little bit,
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is supposed to have an even bigger camera bump,
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but I guess that's just the price
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of whatever cool camera it's gonna have.
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So as far as I'm concerned,
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13 Pro has been perfectly satisfactory
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other than the battery case issue,
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which is not a thing for me, but it's a thing for my wife,
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and the camera being a little bit too big.
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- What about ProMotion, the fast refresh rate?
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Do you notice it?
00:52:27
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- Oh, I have a problem with ProMotion, right?
00:52:29
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So we talked about it as when the 13 Pro came out,
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I'm like, "I don't care about using my wife's phone.
00:52:33
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"I don't care."
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And I think I have ProMotion on my,
00:52:37
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I have the latest iPad Pro, I believe,
00:52:39
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You got the M1 iPad Pro, that's the latest one, right?
00:52:41
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- Yes, I believe that's right.
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- And that has ProMotion, right, the M1 iPad Pro?
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- Yes, every iPad Pro except for the 9.7
00:52:49
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and like the very first generation 9.7 and 12.9 didn't have
00:52:52
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it, but starting from the 10.5, all the other ones did.
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- Yeah, well, so anyway, I've had that M1 iPad Pro
00:52:57
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since it was introduced and I use it pretty much
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every single day and I was like,
00:53:01
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"Ah, you know, ProMotion is not a big deal for me."
00:53:04
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But in the past month or so, every time I pick up
00:53:07
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my wife's iPhone 13 Pro, I see the ProMotion.
00:53:12
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I don't know why I wasn't seeing it or noticing it before.
00:53:14
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I mean, I can notice it every day, look for it,
00:53:15
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but I've been unbidden, it has leapt to my mind.
00:53:18
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I was like, whoa, that's so much smoother than my phone.
00:53:20
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And it's bothersome.
00:53:21
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I mean, so I guess I'm getting to the point
00:53:24
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where phones without ProMotion seem a little bit
00:53:28
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stuttery to me, and I don't want that.
00:53:31
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Like I liked it better when I didn't care
00:53:33
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about the difference, but now I feel like with the phone,
00:53:36
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I kind of do, and every time I use our phone,
00:53:38
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I'm like, oh, this makes my phone feel bad.
00:53:41
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So I am, one of the things I'm looking forward to
00:53:44
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on the 14 Pro is I will finally have a phone
00:53:46
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with ProMotion, I endorse it.
00:53:48
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- Yeah, it's a big deal.
00:53:50
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Like, I have loved ProMotion, and it's one of those things
00:53:54
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that I didn't think I was noticing after the first few days
00:53:58
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until, I mentioned earlier this summer,
00:54:00
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I did an experiment where I tried to use the Mini
00:54:02
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for a few days, and I really noticed its absence.
00:54:05
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in a way that I don't notice it on the Mac.
00:54:07
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Like when I use a MacBook Pro with its built in screen,
00:54:10
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the modern MacBook Pros have promotion.
00:54:12
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When I use that, I don't really notice it there.
00:54:15
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And then when I go back to my big Pro Display XDR
00:54:18
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that doesn't support it, I don't notice the absence of it.
00:54:21
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But on iPads and iPhones, I do instantly notice
00:54:25
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its presence and later its absence.
00:54:27
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And so it's been wonderful.
00:54:29
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I've loved promotion.
00:54:31
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I also, I love the cameras on this thing too.
00:54:33
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like now that I guess I'm stealing a turn here.
00:54:36
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I love the cameras on the 13 Pro.
00:54:40
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The 3X, I'm not super crazy about the 3X lens.
00:54:45
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The 1X and the wide, but especially the 1X
00:54:49
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have just been fantastic.
00:54:51
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I have enjoyed occasionally using the macro on the wide,
00:54:55
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just for a little pragmatic reasons here and there,
00:54:58
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like scanning, taking a picture of a tag
00:55:01
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on the back of a router or something like that.
00:55:03
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That's been wonderful, little day-to-day life things.
00:55:06
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Again, when I went to the Mini that didn't support that,
00:55:11
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I missed the macro mode.
00:55:12
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I realized, oh, I actually used that.
00:55:15
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The 3X lens I wish was both a better camera
00:55:21
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and was not as zoomed in,
00:55:25
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because where we have it now is you have nothing
00:55:29
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between 1X and 3X hardware-wise.
00:55:33
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And oftentimes, what I want is between those.
00:55:36
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And so what has to happen then is it just crops
00:55:39
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the image off the 1X, and that's fine, the 1X is great,
00:55:42
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but that's not an amazing solution.
00:55:45
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And the 3X camera, just like the 2.5 and 2X cameras
00:55:50
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that came before it in previous models,
00:55:52
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the 3X camera is not very good.
00:55:54
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Optically, it's just not nearly as good as the 1X camera,
00:55:58
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and you do notice and so I find myself
00:56:01
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not using it that much.
00:56:03
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As a combination of it not really being
00:56:06
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the distance I often need and it being optically worse.
00:56:09
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So I look forward to any improvements
00:56:11
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they can make in those areas.
00:56:12
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Whether they can cover a wider range in hardware
00:56:15
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in some way and or whether they can improve
00:56:19
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the optics of the telephoto camera.
00:56:21
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But otherwise, 13 Pro feature wise,
00:56:25
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you know, between the ProMotion and the macro camera
00:56:29
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and the overall camera system,
00:56:31
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it's been really, really great.
00:56:33
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One thing I still wish for is this is very heavy.
00:56:38
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I wish it was lighter.
00:56:40
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It's a very dense phone in the pocket.
00:56:43
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It's big and it's heavy.
00:56:45
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►
And this is apparently going to be the smallest phone
00:56:48
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they're gonna make starting next week.
00:56:51
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That I hope, and I know the rumors are not backing me up
00:56:55
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►
here at all with anything useful here,
00:56:56
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►
but I hope that future iPhones that are of this slot
00:57:01
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in the lineup, meaning the smallest phone
00:57:04
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►
with all the pro features, I hope they find a way
00:57:07
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to make them lighter, whether it's changing out
00:57:10
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the stainless steel band or whatever, or other changes,
00:57:14
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►
who knows what they could do with materials, whatever,
00:57:16
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►
but it's a very heavy phone, so that being said,
00:57:20
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►
one of the biggest contributions to weight is the battery,
00:57:23
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And the battery life's been great.
00:57:25
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I've been very pleased with the battery life.
00:57:27
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You know, even during this beta season
00:57:29
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►
where beta battery life has been pretty rough,
00:57:31
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►
I had a lot to start with and that has helped a lot.
00:57:34
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So I'm very happy with the performance, the battery,
00:57:38
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you know, the screen, the cameras, all that stuff is great.
00:57:41
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I just wish it was lighter.
00:57:44
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And maybe, I might go a little smaller on the body too,
00:57:47
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but hey, you know, it's a big screen,
00:57:48
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►
it's beautiful, whatever.
00:57:49
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So just lighter is my number one request for future phones.
00:57:52
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But overall, this has been a great phone.
00:57:55
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I don't leave it in haste.
00:57:58
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This is a wonderful phone,
00:57:59
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and if I had to keep using it forever,
00:58:01
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and nothing else ever came out that was better than it,
00:58:03
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I'd be fine.
00:58:04
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But fortunately, that's not how things work,
00:58:06
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so we're gonna have amazing things next week.
00:58:09
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- Yeah, for me, the 120 hertz,
00:58:12
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►
I noticed it a lot early on,
00:58:14
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and now I do feel like I notice it,
00:58:17
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►
but it doesn't, I think I misattribute what's happening.
00:58:21
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►
So when I use an older phone,
00:58:24
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I feel like I'm misattributing it
00:58:28
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►
to the slowness of the phone
00:58:29
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►
rather than the slowness of the screen.
00:58:31
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Like, I just assume, "Oh, well, this phone is older,
00:58:33
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so it's a little choppier and slower."
00:58:34
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►
But it's not that.
00:58:36
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It's that it's actually the screen is half as fast.
00:58:39
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But I forget that that's a thing,
00:58:41
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and so I think I often misattribute it in that sense,
00:58:44
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especially since iOS is usually very, very good
00:58:47
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about keeping pretty good performance,
00:58:49
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even several models into the past. For me, all in all, I love the 13 Pro. I think it's
00:58:56
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a phenomenal phone. This is the first phone in two years, I guess it was three phones
00:59:02
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►
ago that I have not yet shattered, so that's good. Related, it's the first phone I've put
00:59:07
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►
a case on in three years. So I'll let you decide if those are related events, I think
00:59:12
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they might be. But with regard to cases, I was a huge fan of the Apple leather case,
00:59:18
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the black Apple leather case, and at least at launch time,
00:59:21
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►
I don't know if that's still the case,
00:59:23
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►
there was no black Apple leather case.
00:59:26
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►
And that is a super bummer.
00:59:29
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►
Speaking like we were earlier, what Marco was saying about,
00:59:32
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oh, I'll just throw in AppleCare,
00:59:33
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oh, I'll just throw in this like $80 Apple case,
00:59:36
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I would just add that in, not even think twice about it.
00:59:40
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►
And now there are at least,
00:59:42
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►
again, at the time of launch a year ago,
00:59:44
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there was no black Apple leather case,
00:59:46
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►
and I'm still a little grumpy about it,
00:59:47
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►
especially 'cause this Nudiant case,
00:59:49
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►
which the name is kind of bad to begin with,
00:59:50
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►
it is not in good shape now.
00:59:53
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►
Like it is not stood the test of time terribly well.
00:59:57
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So I don't know if there isn't a black Apple leather case
00:59:59
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►
next year or in a month, in a week even,
01:00:02
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►
I'm not sure what I'm gonna do.
01:00:04
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►
- Put in another plug for my, like, what was it,
01:00:06
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►
like a $30 cheapo, what, Olixar iPhone 12 Pro
01:00:11
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►
black leather case with an open bottom
01:00:14
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►
that I bought when the 12 Pro was new.
01:00:16
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►
I mean, it looks like it's been used,
01:00:19
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►
but it's held up amazingly well, amazingly well.
01:00:21
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►
For it, like, it's like less than half the price
01:00:23
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►
of the Apple leather thing.
01:00:25
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►
Open bottom, which is what I wanted, black leather case.
01:00:27
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►
Good job, Olexar.
01:00:29
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►
- Yeah, I'm gonna have to look into that for this next one
01:00:31
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►
if Apple doesn't have a first party thing,
01:00:33
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►
and maybe I'll just look into that regardless.
01:00:36
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The thing that is really a bugbear,
01:00:38
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and I'm grumpy about this
01:00:40
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►
because I spent a lot of time outside this year,
01:00:42
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Does San Francisco not have any weather?
01:00:46
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I thought it had at least some amount of weather,
01:00:48
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and I thought it at least occasionally,
01:00:51
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I thought every once in a while Carl the fog went away
01:00:54
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and there was this magical thing called sunlight
01:00:56
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in San Francisco.
01:00:57
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That does exist in San Francisco, does it not?
01:00:59
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I'm pretty sure it does.
01:01:01
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Because oh my gosh, can we please have a phone
01:01:05
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that can be in sunlight for more than 45 seconds
01:01:09
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before the screen dims?
01:01:09
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Like it is, I'm being a little hyperbolic here,
01:01:12
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But oh my gosh, I spent a lot of time
01:01:14
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at the little community pool that we joined this year.
01:01:16
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And my word, if you have this thing in the sun,
01:01:20
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particularly if you're on cellular,
01:01:22
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for more than a few seconds,
01:01:23
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it thermal regulates that screen right down to nothingness.
01:01:26
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And it is so frustrating and so hard to see.
01:01:29
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►
My number one wish, I'm not even kidding,
01:01:33
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►
my number one wish for the iPhone 14
01:01:36
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►
is to do better in full sunlight.
01:01:38
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I know I probably sound utterly bananas.
01:01:41
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►
I totally accept that, but this is a legitimate thing that I swear to you is worse than this
01:01:46
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►
phone than any of the phones that have come before it.
01:01:49
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And it's bad on my iPad too.
01:01:51
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Maybe that's because of age, maybe it's because of software, I don't know.
01:01:54
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But do not like.
01:01:56
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►
Anyway, that being said, I do like the fast screen.
01:01:59
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Again, I don't want to belabor the ultra wideband park bench/picnic table, but that is pretty
01:02:05
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freaking cool.
01:02:06
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►
And I don't know if that was new with the 13 or new with the 12.
01:02:07
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I tried to look this up earlier and couldn't figure it out.
01:02:10
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but having a phone that's three times faster,
01:02:12
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►
that's internet connection can occasionally
01:02:14
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►
be three times faster than my home
01:02:15
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►
gigabit internet connection, that's pretty cool.
01:02:18
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I was trying to look up what else was new with this phone.
01:02:21
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►
Tell me gentlemen, how many times
01:02:22
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►
have you used cinematic mode?
01:02:26
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- Same here.
01:02:27
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- I don't even use portrait mode.
01:02:29
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That's a bad example for me because whatever
01:02:32
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their trick photo mode of the year is,
01:02:36
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I probably don't use it.
01:02:38
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- Yeah, I actually do use portrait mode from time to time,
01:02:40
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I think it's gotten to the point that it's acceptable now.
01:02:42
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I wouldn't say it's good,
01:02:44
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but I'd say it's at least acceptable.
01:02:46
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But I think I used cinematic mode like once or twice
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when it first was a thing,
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and I haven't touched it since.
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In fact, I don't even know if it's on.
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I don't know how to turn it on.
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I know nothing about it.
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I've already forgotten everything.
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- I've decided that I'm not actually a filmmaker.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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- I'm very happy admitting to myself
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that that's just not me.
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- I do wonder who that feature is for
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because people who are actual filmmakers
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don't want it in the same way that people who are interested in photography don't want
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portrait mode.
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And then people who are casual, it's too complicated to think about what they showed people doing
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in the demo videos of what I'm doing.
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It's hard enough to hold your phone and try to keep your family in the frame as they're
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moving around.
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Can you imagine also, I know you can do this after the fact, but selecting who's going
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to be in focus or whatever, people don't want to hold up their phone and record and be done
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They don't want to spend any amount of time deciding who the phone focuses on and who
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gets the fake blur.
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- Yep, but all in all, as much as I whined a couple times
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in the last few minutes, all in all,
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I really love this phone.
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I love the flat sides.
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I wish I had the, or I wish I wasn't so much of a klutz
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and that I could use it without a case,
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'cause it does feel nice without a case.
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It's a little slippier, more slippy than I wish,
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but still it does feel nice.
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I popped the case off a minute ago just to look.
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I love this midnight blue,
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or whatever this is called, Pacific blue.
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You know, it would be neat to have a pro phone
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with kind of vibrant colors.
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Like, I would be so here for that.
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Well, that's not even true.
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I'd probably end up buying black
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'cause I'm an idiot and I'm a loser,
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but I would be here for the idea of it.
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- No, you're just a nerd, Casey.
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Nerds default to black, it's fine.
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I've been there myself many times.
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Like, I know how it works, but no, I'm with you.
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The colors, oh god, just please
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more personality in the colors.
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- Please, that's a very good way to put it.
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Please more personality in the colors.
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That would be excellent.
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But all in all, a really good phone.
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I really think that if they did basically a little bit better
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camera and, God help me, a little bit better
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thermal regulation such that the screen wasn't dimming
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constantly in sunlight, if they did those two things,
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it would be an insta-buy for me.
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And I'm sure whatever they say next week,
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I'm not going to kid myself.
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I'm going to get it.
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It's just what I do now.
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But I am really hopeful that they
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improve the camera a little bit, not to say it's lacking,
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but I hope they improve the camera,
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I hope they do a little bit better with these thermals.
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I don't feel like the phone is slow at this point,
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like there's almost nothing I can think of
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that I feel like I'm running out of horsepower
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or RAM for that matter, so really just more of the same,
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just give me more of it,
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and I'll take that please and thank you.
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- That's potentially some good news for you.
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Now we can move on to the rumors for the announcement
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and spoil everything for next week's show.
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- Yes, please.
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- So iPhone 14, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max,
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we talked about this before,
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the big change in the rumors this year is that
01:07:44
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you will be able to get a big phone that's not a Pro.
01:07:46
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So the 14 will come in big and small sizes
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and the 14 Pro will come in big and small sizes.
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There's no more mini.
01:07:52
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That's this, I'm starting with the information
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we pretty much know for sure.
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I think that is, everyone agrees on that.
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The pros having the A16 and the non-pros not having the A16
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is another thing that has been heavily rumored
01:08:07
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and seems pretty sure this year.
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That's gonna be a bummer because the years when
01:08:12
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both the pro and non-pro had the same system on a chip
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were great, but it doesn't look like that's happening
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for a variety of reasons.
01:08:18
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Maybe it's cost, maybe it's yields on the new, you know,
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five nanometer, extra good five nanometer process,
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I always forget what it's called, 5NP or something,
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whatever the hell TSMC calls it.
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- Call it 5Pro Max.
01:08:30
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- Yeah, although does the 815 use that process as well?
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I don't even remember.
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Anyway, A16 only on the Pros,
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probably won't make a difference to you.
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The other thing you mentioned RAM,
01:08:39
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I think both the Pro and non-Pro are getting six gigs of RAM
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and I think the non-Pro only had four last year,
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is that true?
01:08:45
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- Something like that.
01:08:46
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- These are not things that most people notice, right?
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So what does the Pro have to differentiate?
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Well, the first thing is that it doesn't have a notch,
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It has a different thing in its screen for where the face ID and front facing camera
01:09:00
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If you see the pictures of the screen pieces, it looks kind of like a sideways lowercase
01:09:05
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It's like a lozenge and then a circular dot for the camera.
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But the latest round of sort of late breaking rumors that we'll put some links to is that
01:09:12
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sideways eye will have the gap between the stem on the eye and the dot on the eye.
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Those screen pixels, although they exist, will be turned off.
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So instead of looking like a sideways lowercase letter i, it will instead look like a sideways
01:09:27
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lozenge that is disconnected from the top of the screen.
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Now in total area, that whether it's a lozenge or a sideways lowercase letter i, that is
01:09:38
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less total screen area that is removed.
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You will have more pixels on the screen than you did even with the new smaller notch, right?
01:09:46
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But in terms of how much those things intrude on the space available for lines of text or
01:09:53
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lists or whatever, I'm not sure it's much of an improvement and it may actually be worse.
01:09:59
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Because if you look at the pictures, it's almost as if they took the notch, made it
01:10:03
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narrower but then disconnected it from the top of the phone.
01:10:06
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So now screen pixels can flow above it, but that doesn't help you when you're scrolling
01:10:10
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a list because you kind of got to stop the list scrolling before you hit the lozenge
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or the notch or whatever.
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And maybe you will scroll past it
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and you'll see like a half line of text above it
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or something, but I don't know.
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I'm not convinced about this.
01:10:22
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Now I understand what they're doing.
01:10:23
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Like as we've said, since the notch was introduced,
01:10:26
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it's not like Apple loves the notch.
01:10:28
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The notch is a necessary evil
01:10:30
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and to the extent that Apple can get rid of it, they will.
01:10:32
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And so over time, Apple has continued to shrink the notch
01:10:34
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in terms of the total area of the screen
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that is notched out.
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That continues with the pro models.
01:10:41
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They have fewer pixels that don't exist
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because of the Face ID and the front-facing camera.
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And so they continue to march towards
01:10:48
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not having, having all the pixels.
01:10:51
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We're not there yet, we won't be there next year,
01:10:53
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but eventually I feel like that's where Apple wants to go.
01:10:56
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So this is a step in that direction.
01:10:58
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I'm not entirely sure this step brings anything
01:11:00
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to the customer, other than having
01:11:02
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an easy visual differentiator to let people know
01:11:04
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that you have the profile, which is itself a feature
01:11:07
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that Apple probably cares about,
01:11:08
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and some users care about as well.
01:11:11
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- Well, I will say the late-breaking rumor
01:11:13
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that they might put the dots in the little eye gap to show.
01:11:18
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That is actually really nice
01:11:21
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and that's a neat little feature that's very useful
01:11:23
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so I'm looking forward to that if that's true.
01:11:25
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I think that's very, very nice.
01:11:27
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But yeah, ultimately I think it will just look more modern.
01:11:31
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I mean the current notch style has been there
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since the iPhone X.
01:11:37
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It's been there a number of years.
01:11:39
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Android phones have moved on to the hole punch style.
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fairly recently, and so if Apple continued to have
01:11:47
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the same notch style, I think it would start to look dated.
01:11:50
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So I think this is about the time to change it.
01:11:52
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- I mean it was a differentiator,
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'cause Apple's particular shape and style of the notch
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was, you know, even when they use little icons
01:12:00
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to show this is an iPhone, you can see a little,
01:12:03
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you know, we talked about this when we talked
01:12:04
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about the notch, I go Apple's using it for branding, right?
01:12:07
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Not because they love it, but because hey,
01:12:08
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if it's there, it should be part of our brand.
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When I see it with the Lozenge or the Sideways Eye
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or however they decide to do it,
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and not that it looks like an Android phone,
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but it doesn't immediately say iPhone to me.
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And I feel like it is less distinct.
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Because there's lots of different hole punch cameras
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that have been on Android phones for years.
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They're all over the place,
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different shapes, different sizes.
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This one will be different.
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I don't think I've seen an Android screen
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with either of these exact arrangements,
01:12:35
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whether it be the Eye or the Lozenge or whatever.
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But I think it's gonna take a while for me to look at that
01:12:40
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and have it read his iPhone, you know,
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I'm sure we'll get there.
01:12:43
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Eventually, I don't know what Apple's gonna do
01:12:44
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when they can eventually get to the point
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where they can just make the whole front
01:12:47
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of the phone a screen,
01:12:49
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because then how the heck do you make an icon of that
01:12:51
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is literally just a vertical rounded rectangle.
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Featureless vertical rounded rectangle
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with nothing to differentiate it.
01:12:57
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And it's kind of almost like,
01:12:58
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and especially since Apple continues to change,
01:13:00
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to subtly change the proportions of its phones
01:13:02
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over the years, you know,
01:13:04
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starting from the sort of short squat 3.5 inch
01:13:06
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and the tall skinny, the, you know, iPhone five screen,
01:13:08
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and then like it has changed proportions.
01:13:10
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So it's not even like they can show you a rectangle
01:13:12
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and go, oh, I can tell by the proportions
01:13:14
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that's supposed to be an iPhone
01:13:15
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'cause it is so kind of like, you know, era dependent.
01:13:19
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Anyway, that's a future Apple problem, I suppose.
01:13:21
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Speaking of the screen, the other rumor is
01:13:24
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I always on screen due to improved screen technology
01:13:27
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where there will be a lock screen
01:13:29
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that will just be always on kind of like the watch is.
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And as part of that potential feature
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is the minimum one Hertz refresh.
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I believe the current ones,
01:13:37
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even though they do have variable refresh,
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I don't think they go down to one hertz like the watch does.
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I think their minimum is like what,
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20 or five or something?
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- I think it's something like 20.
01:13:45
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- Yeah, anyway, the always on screen thing,
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that's been rumored for a little bit.
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I think it was even rumored for the last phone.
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That's the type of thing that Apple can do a go, no go on
01:13:58
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pretty late in the game,
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because the one hertz minimum refresh,
01:14:03
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that benefits battery life no matter what Apple does.
01:14:05
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You don't have to have an always on screen to reap the benefits of having the 1Hz minimum
01:14:11
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refresh on the LTPO screen technology, the lower power and everything, right?
01:14:15
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But it seems like this may be the year for the always on lock screen.
01:14:19
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And kind of like on the watch, I imagine it will be an option that you can turn off for
01:14:22
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maximum battery life.
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Don't use the always on lock screen because even though you're probably only lighting
01:14:26
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up a small number of pixels, it's better not to light any of them up.
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So I'm kind of looking forward to that because I think there's a lot of fun things you could
01:14:32
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do with the phone there, but I'm not entirely convinced
01:14:35
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that it's not the type of feature that Apple might punt.
01:14:41
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- I'm guessing we actually get that one,
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because the lock screen widgets being added this year
01:14:47
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and some minor hints that were dropped to WBC,
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basically the software is all lined up
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for that always on screen feature.
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So I think the combination of the software
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pointing the way there and the rumors to that effect
01:15:01
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for a pretty long time now,
01:15:03
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that's probably a safe bet I'd say.
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And I think that's gonna be kind of fun.
01:15:06
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I mean, I'm not a phone on the table kind of person.
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Like my phone's in my pocket when it's not in my hand.
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So I don't think the Always On Screen
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would be super useful to me personally,
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but I can see that would be a pretty massive feature
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for most of the world.
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Most of the world seems to be like this giant phone
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that doesn't fit in my pocket,
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it must live on the table whenever I sit down.
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And so for those people,
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that this is gonna be a pretty good feature, I think.
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- I do wonder how they'll control
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what you're allowed to have on the screen.
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Because these screens are OLED on the Pro phones,
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you pay for every pixel that you light up.
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And people being people,
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I imagine what a lot of people want is,
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well, I just want to see the picture
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of my kids on the phone all the time.
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It's like, well, the full screen,
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the picture of your kids, that's a lot of pixels lit up.
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How about just a little tiny widget
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with your kids in it, right?
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You know, like they do on the lock screen, right?
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You get this little tiny rectangle
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and that's where you get to put the picture of your kids.
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And I can imagine people saying,
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yeah, but on my watch I can do the whole kid's face
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on the whole screen.
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It's like, well, the watch screen is tiny.
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So I felt there may be a tension
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between what technology allows in terms of the feature.
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Apple have designed this feature to encourage you
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to not light up a lot of pixels and to force you perhaps,
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to not be able to light up the entire screen
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and just get these little widget things.
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But I think that kind of flies in the face
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what people want from this feature.
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So we'll see how this evolves over the years
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as the tech improves.
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Well, worth knowing about the lock screen widget
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implementation so far is that lock screen widgets
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are monochrome and when you see some that have
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what appears to be a translucent kind of background,
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like a glass background kind of effect,
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that is a special modifier in SwiftUI
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that's the vibrancy background or something like that.
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I can imagine them in a low luminance situation
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like a sleeping lock screen that's always on,
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just rendering those as black.
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So I think the aesthetic is going to be
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basically just monochrome line art for the widgets,
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text and iconography and monochrome and that's probably it.
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And then that gives them the freedom to dim it way down
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or adapt to different ambient light levels in a smart way.
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So that's probably how that's going to be.
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And so I don't think we're gonna see things
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like photos being used there
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because they would have to be black and white.
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Literally, not even having translucency
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or not even grayscale, like even grayscale
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is not gonna look super good there.
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They could do it, but they probably won't do it.
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So we're looking at basically monochrome art style here,
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line art and text, and for that,
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I think they can do quite well
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and have lots of control over it,
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but that will naturally limit it.
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Also, I don't know if you're using the beta, John,
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but I know Casey, you are.
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The number of widgets on the lock screen is very small.
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You basically, so you have like the time,
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You have above the time, you have the date
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and day of the week, and you can put a tiny widget
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next to that, so there's one up top
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that's a little skinny text thing that goes
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in line with the date, and then below the time,
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you have room for two, three, or four widgets
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that take up one line.
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So there's medium rectangles and little circles,
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and you can either do four little circles
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or one medium rectangle that's as wide as two circles
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and then one or two more circles next to it.
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So whatever it is, it's only the top third of the screen.
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And even in that area, it's a fairly small number
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of elements that you're actually keeping there.
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Plus the widget system itself is very much based
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on pre-rendering a timeline, so these apps
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aren't actually being kept running this whole time.
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So they can make it pretty low power
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in a very similar way that watch complications are done.
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- And speaking of the lock screen being monochrome stuff,
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like it's not as if the screen is monochrome,
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And it's not as if there's any particular power benefit
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to doing things monochromatically.
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In fact, it maybe works because you've
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got to light up all the RGB subpixels to get grayish.
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But it's like Marco said before, when you have something
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that is monochrome, that means it's also high contrast
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because it's black and then not black.
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And that means you can dim it down
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and it can still be legible with the screen dimmed.
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Whereas if you had something that had subtle shading
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gradations and was basically colored like any other interface
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thing that Apple does where everything is like,
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How about light gray miniature text on a white background?
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If you dim that at all, it becomes invisible.
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I would argue it's already kind of invisible to old people,
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but Apple's line between here's how the designer
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with very good vision thinks it should look,
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and then here's how it looks
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with the accessibility bolding thing turned on,
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I feel like there's a medium between those two,
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which is here's how it can still be relatively attractive,
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because a lot of times I feel like the accessibility mode
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where the high contrast and stuff just does not look
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as good as the real one.
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So I would like to be higher contrast,
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but still attractive.
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And Apple hasn't quite found that yet.
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So maybe this lock screen will be one of the first
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interfaces they've done that is both high contrast
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in normal mode, let's say, or in default mode,
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but still attractive looking, we'll see.
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- Yeah, I would also say like, if you think about
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the world that will be in a few weeks
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where lots of people have these phones.
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And again, assuming these rumors are all real,
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which they are pretty consistent about this.
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So assuming this world comes to pass,
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imagine if you're at a crowded table,
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maybe in a meeting or at a restaurant or something,
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you're at a crowded table
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and everyone has their phone on the table,
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you don't want everyone's phone to be blaring
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a full color screen at you the whole time.
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That would be very visually loud and very distracting.
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- You say you in that sentence.
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you don't want, Apple doesn't want,
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people probably do want,
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but Apple is going to stop them from doing it.
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- Well good, because if you think about
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how they're probably going to do it,
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which is a very subtle monochrome,
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low brightness, no to minimal color,
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just a very, like a status display,
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as if it's like an LCD alarm, or an LED alarm clock,
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very dim, just here's a little bit of information
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for you on your phone, and then once you pick it up,
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then it all lights up in full color, like that's fine,
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but as it's sitting there idle on the table,
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you wouldn't want a whole bunch of phones on the table
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to all be glowing with bright colors and bright,
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and bright, high brightness.
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- And people just want their phone
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to have a full color picture of their kid
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and everyone else's phone to be dim.
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- Right, so anyway, I'm thinking that's probably
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gonna be like a very pragmatic
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and visually tasteful way to do it.
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- Yeah, so continuing with the phone rumors,
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you already said the six gigs of RAM,
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there's a rumor that it's gonna come with a 30,
01:21:40
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or you will have available to you a 30 watt charger,
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but the rumor is that the iPhone 14
01:21:47
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will only be able to take 27 watts,
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so it's a little bit of a future proof charger,
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maybe for the 15.
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Better battery life is always the rumor for phones.
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In this case, the better battery life
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would come from two main things, I think.
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One is the lower power screen that we just talked about,
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although that is somewhat offset by the fact
01:22:03
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that there may be an option to leave it always on
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with the screen we just talked about.
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And two is the lower power cell modem.
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It is not Apple's cell modem this year.
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It is still another one from Qualcomm,
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but apparently it does not take as much power
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as the previous one did, which makes sense
01:22:17
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because 5G was young in the past,
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in the first few phones that had 5G,
01:22:21
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now the Qualcomm chips that do 5G,
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5G are not quite as power hungry.
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So that bodes well for battery life,
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assuming everything else is the same.
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We think the phone is gonna be basically the same size,
01:22:30
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and so, you know, it should have pretty good battery life.
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But the other factor is the even bigger camera,
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it's not even a bump.
01:22:38
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The even bigger camera Mesa camera monstrosity that's on the back of this thing even bigger
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than the 13 in terms of sticking out of the phone, which is what I care about.
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I think it may also be bigger in terms of width and height but already in the 13 it
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is not in the corner of the 13 it crosses the midline.
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They really need to revise this.
01:22:57
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The rumor was that this was going to be the year where they were going to have a flat
01:22:59
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back on a thing with the periscope lens.
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Nope that rumor has moved to next year.
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I really hope it's true for next year.
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I wish it was true for the phone year that I was getting but apparently it's not.
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But anyway, in that giant camera bump that sticks out even farther, it's got a 48 megapixel
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1x camera which will most of the time be pixel binned to 12 megapixels.
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So it's not actually like you're going to be taking 48 megapixel photos most of the
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time in low light.
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But in theory, you could in very sunny conditions take a 48 megapixel image.
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Also in theory, you may be able to record at 8K given the size of the sensor.
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see what Apple does with that because just because the sensor has 48 megapixels on it
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doesn't mean that Apple ever has to advertise or use those 48 megapixels.
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They could just say, "It's got 48 megapixels, but we pixel bin all the time, and that's
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a great advantage and only Apple blah, blah, blah."
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I'm interested to see how they market this.
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Can you explain what pixel binning is?
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Pixel binning is when you have a 48 megapixel camera, but instead of reading out each pixel
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saying, "Okay, pixel, what color do you see?
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Okay, pixel, whatever color do you see?"
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you take a set of four pixels, a two by two square of pixels,
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and you treat that as one big pixel,
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because that square of four pixels is very large
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compared to the size of the single pixel.
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And so you get basically, in the current camera,
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so you get basically a 12 megapixel camera,
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because 48 divided by four is 12.
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You get a 12 megapixel camera,
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where each quote unquote pixel on the sensor
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is actually four 48 megapixel size sensors.
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That's pixel binning.
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I think I got the right term, right?
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Am I using the wrong term for it?
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I believe so, yeah.
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- Yeah, it's not the same as binning
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with the silicon graphics, but anyway,
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it's using four pixels, it's kinda like retina.
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The retina of the sensor, you know,
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is the same thing on a retina screen
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where you have one on-screen point
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is made up of four native resolution pixels on your screen.
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So there are a lot of things Apple can do programmatically
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with this sensor to do fancy stuff with cameras.
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We don't know which of those things
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they're going to choose to do
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other than surely they will support pixel binning,
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but they could also say, well, when there's enough light,
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we'll use 48 megapixels, maybe we'll use some weird hybrid thing where the readings of the
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photo that have enough light will use like the native pixels and the other ones will
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be binned, who knows?
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Like computational photography is the type of thing that tends not to leak because it's
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software we just know the hardware.
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Also a rumor is the bigger pixels on the ultra wide camera are twice as large as the pixels
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were on the iPhone 13 Pro and that bodes well for light gathering.
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This is the 0.5x camera, the really really wide one.
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I haven't heard any rumors about the 3x camera or whatever we call that camera that's not
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the ultrawide and not the quote unquote 1x.
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Will it be 3x?
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Will it be 2.5, 3.5?
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I think I recall seeing rumors about that but I didn't find them in time for the show
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so we'll see what that is but I would imagine it will continue to be like it is today.
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That the 1x camera is better and that the zoomed in camera doesn't zoom in enough to
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be satisfactory for anybody but also takes worse pictures.
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Sounds about right.
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- Yeah, I'm very, very interested to see
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what this allegedly 48 megapixel main sensor does,
01:26:03
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like how that works, 'cause that's,
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John covered it well, but that's gonna produce
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some very tiny pixels, 'cause this is not
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a very large sensor physically, so.
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- Very tiny pixels and a lot of noise,
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which is why they do the binning,
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because as the pixels get very, very small,
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it's easier for them to be perturbed and to think,
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I'm not sure what light I got,
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but I think I might be 100% red,
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and you're like, no Pixel, you're not 100% red.
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And so that's why you get noise at quote unquote high ISO
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on camera sensors 'cause they don't get,
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you need a certain amount of light
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to get into the Pixel on the sensor
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for it to take an accurate reading.
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And if you just barely get a little bit of light in there,
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the camera sensor's like, I don't know,
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like greenish, I guess?
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And you get noise, you get noise in the form of sort of
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pixels in the image that you know didn't exist in the world
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when you look out there.
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And that's why sometimes you need to bin them
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because if you get four of those pixels together
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and you say, okay, let me just see what all four of you saw,
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and one of them thinks it saw 100% red,
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the other one's like, no, I think it's kind of grayish,
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you can kind of, again, through computation, figure out,
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all right, how do I interpret the noisy signal
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from these four pixels on the sensor to make one pixel
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that we think represents what the sensor actually saw?
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- Yeah, and that's what I think this is most likely about,
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and I think it is possible that they won't even
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necessarily market it as 48 megapixels.
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They might come up with some new term that's like,
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Like we're beyond, this is our new gigapixel camera.
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You know, they'll come up with some new name for marketing
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that gets rid of the number of megapixels
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because they don't wanna talk about that anymore
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because it's more complicated than that now.
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- And to be clear, this is not a new thing at all.
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Cameras have been doing this forever.
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Phone cameras have been doing this for a long,
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this is just what Apple's doing this year
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and Apple likes to have their own branding for things.
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It's good, it's like we're not saying it's bad
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but don't think this is,
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when Apple introduces things like this very often
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if you don't know about this technology,
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"Wow, this is amazing, no one has ever done this before."
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No, people have done this before.
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- That being said, I do expect it,
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if they were doing something like this,
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I do expect it to be some kind of significant advancement
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to the abilities of the computational engine,
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'cause it'll be getting more information,
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and with more information, it can create better outcomes.
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So I'm guessing that's gonna be how we see this.
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Like, it's not gonna necessarily be
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that our output number of pixels
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is going to necessarily be that.
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It might be, but it probably won't be.
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My guess is we're gonna get a better quality
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12 megapixel size than what we had before
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through the use of more pixels as input to the algorithm.
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But we'll see, I could be wrong.
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- I'm still holding out hope that they'll,
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like if on a sunny day you take a picture
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that they're actually gonna give you the full 48 megapixels
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'cause there's just so much sunlight.
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- I mean maybe, that would be great,
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but this is a really tiny sensor, so I don't know.
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- It'll probably still be, we'll see what they do.
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Yeah, I'm looking forward to any advancement
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the camera and I think to go along with this the a16 is probably the only chip
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that that has an image processor that can grind through 48 native pixels off
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the sensor in the time envelope required to do all the things they wanted to do
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with video recording and everything so I you know obviously the the non pro
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camera phone is not getting this 48 megapixel camera and I think it just it
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couldn't use it anyway because it only has the a15 so it seems like the a16 is
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probably the minimum SOC spec for this camera.
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- Yeah, that would make sense.
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- More rumors, stronger MagSafe magnets in the phone.
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I mean, I suppose.
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I don't know if that's true or not,
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but these rumors are getting less and less reliable.
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I think I got on those lists, by the way.
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For Casey, one of the rumors
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that people really wanna believe,
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and I bet Casey wants to believe it too,
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is vapor chamber cooling,
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which is basically, what you need to know about it is,
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a better way of cooling the phone,
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what it actually is is kind of like if you ever seen like a heat pipe where there's like a liquid in there that
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evaporates and then and then go someplace else and condenses and that how that's how it carries heat away from the thing that's hot a
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vapor chamber was just like that, but instead of being in a tube, it's a
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You know instead of being a long skinny tube
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It's a large region the where the stuff can evaporate and then condense and come back in
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Anyway, whole point is better cooling. Um, yes iPhone 13 Pro
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Not that people really care about this or you know regular people care about this but people who have heavily
01:30:21
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Benchmarked the 13 Pro have shown that it thermal throttles a lot more even than previous phones did
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Obviously iPhones have no fan in them and especially whether they're in 20 layers of case
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There's not a lot of place for the heat to go
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So whatever Apple can do tech wise in the very limited space available to it
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to more efficiently carry heat away from the hot parts of the phone and
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Dump it into the less hot parts of the phone to the extent that they can succeed in that way
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They may actually help with Casey's dimming screen in the Sun now
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There's limited amount they can do if you leave your phone in the dashboard of your car
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It's gonna overheat and show you that little sad graphic that says sorry
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You can't do anything your phone now because it's too darn hot like there's no getting around that
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You know, that's it's just it's just physics in terms of how many watts of power are dissipated and where those things have to go
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But I would love to see a better cooling solution for iPhones
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I'm just not sure I'm willing to believe that you know all the rumors have been Apple is investigating vapor chamber cooling
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I bet they've been investigating vapor chamber cooling for the past 10 years for five months
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It doesn't mean it's going to come in this phone, but fingers crossed
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Yeah agreed and and just to be clear what I was complaining about before it
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I do every great once in a while see the you can't use your phone until it cools down message
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That's not what I'm talking about
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I'm talking about is you can use the phone, but the the screen has dimmed aggressive. You're on your way to that graphic though
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- Yep, yep, yep. - Yep.
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- Exactly, so yeah, I would love this,
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if it would lead to me being able to use my phone
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more consistently in sunshine,
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but I'm also not holding my breath on this one.
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- And for my wife, there is a rumor
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of a new MagSafe battery pack accessory,
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which would kind of negate the advantage
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that I just talked about before.
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It's like, well, they introduced this MagSafe battery pack,
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but the good thing is you don't need to get rid of it.
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You can use it with your next phone,
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but if Apple comes out with a better MagSafe battery pack,
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a lot of people are gonna say,
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oh, well, forget about this old MagSafe battery pack.
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old anyway let me get the new one so we'll see how that goes and then the final rumor as far as this
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list that i compiled here for the phone is related to the graphic for the invitation which says far
01:32:21
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out and shows an apple logo surrounded by stars and like a space star field we have this rumor i
01:32:26
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think last year maybe even the year before that as well satellite connectivity for iphones i really
01:32:33
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don't think this is the year for it but it's been rumored for like two or three years now maybe it
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it will happen someday. When I see these rumors, I think, "Oh, I'm sure the company that owns
01:32:44
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those satellites would love for an Apple tie-in for its service." I'm just not entirely sure
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that it is a real thing or what its function might be. But when we get to the Apple Watch
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rumors, we'll see there may be a connection that will make sense there. And hey, the invitation
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does have stars in it this year, but I wouldn't read too much into it. We'll see. It's a possibility.
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There it is at the bottom of the list. Satellite connectivity.
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Wouldn't it make more sense if this was when Apple starts using their own modems?
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Like, maybe I'm dead wrong about that, but it seems logical to me that it would make a lot more sense.
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Oh, that they would wait until their own modems for the satellite thing? I don't know.
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I mean, I think the part of this rumor is that the hardware is capable of it right now.
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Or the hardware in the iPhone 14 Pro is capable of satellite connectivity.
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It just doesn't mean that that's a thing that will be in the product.
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- I mean, if it is, that's an incredible feature.
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Like, that's a very, very compelling feature
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for lots of people who take their phones
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or live in or around places that have
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crappy cell coverage or no cell coverage.
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- It's an incredibly compelling feature
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for people who own satellites that are in space
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that can provide this, because they would love
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some iPhone customers' money.
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'Cause to be clear, this is not a thing
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that you'll just get for free.
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- No, and the way it's been rumored, which makes sense,
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is that it would basically be for emergency use only.
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So, and Garmin sells these little inreach devices
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that basically do the same thing now
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where it connects to a satellite network
01:34:10
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and it's meant to bring with you
01:34:12
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if you're going camping in the mountains or something
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and you're gonna be nowhere near cell coverage,
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well what if you have some kind of emergency
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and you need to call for help?
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That's what these are for.
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So you can't place a voice call on it
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but you can send a text message
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or you can hit an SOS button
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and it'll transmit your location to responders.
01:34:28
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That kind of thing is very, very compelling.
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So you're not gonna be browsing Instagram
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over the satellite network.
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There's no data functionality on these things,
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or at least very, very, very minimal data functionality.
01:34:42
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It's only for sending emergency messages, basically,
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and calling for help if you need it.
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And so the rumor is that Apple has been negotiating
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with the provider of this, the big company
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that makes these satellites, to have some kind of level
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of emergency service for iPhone owners.
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and if that's the case, that's first of all,
01:34:58
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that's a pretty big if, 'cause that's a very big deal
01:35:02
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and involving different people and very large volumes.
01:35:05
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But if that is a thing, that's massive.
01:35:09
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And that would be a huge driver of sales
01:35:11
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for whatever model would have it,
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because a lot of people want to have some kind
01:35:18
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of emergency coverage when they're out
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of cell coverage areas, and that's a pretty great feature.
01:35:25
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Yeah, and we have this exact discussion last year for the 13 and it didn't ship and it's like that
01:35:30
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It's not like it didn't ship because the iPhone didn't have the tech for it
01:35:32
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It's like they didn't make the business deal because you got it like Apple doesn't own satellites
01:35:35
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So they have to make a deal with somebody who does and it would be a cool Apple thing to do for Apple to say
01:35:40
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Actually, this is free for iPhone owners
01:35:42
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Apple will pay this company some flat amount or whatever and
01:35:45
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In exchange for that any iPhone user if they need it can use it in the case of emergency or whatever, you know
01:35:51
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This is an infrequent feature, but we'll see maybe this is the year for that feature
01:35:54
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And honestly, I could see that being the way they do it
01:35:57
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'cause otherwise, they would have to have
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some kind of billing system.
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I guess they could make it part of Apple Plus
01:36:04
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or Apple One or whatever.
01:36:06
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I can imagine them just saying,
01:36:09
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"No, look, this is just included for free
01:36:12
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"with every iPhone is emergency calling
01:36:15
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"if you need it with satellite."
01:36:18
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- Can we go back just a half step to the battery pack?
01:36:21
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If you recall, the three of us decided
01:36:24
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during a recording like a year ago, whenever it came out,
01:36:26
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that I was going to be the one to take the fall
01:36:28
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and spend $100 or whatever the ridiculous amount was
01:36:31
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on the battery pack.
01:36:35
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- Me too. - And I slightly,
01:36:37
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oh you did, I don't think I knew that.
01:36:39
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- I got it like later on, I didn't get it when it was new.
01:36:42
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- Okay, so I did, I spent the money,
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I got the battery pack.
01:36:44
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- And my wife's got it too, so all three of us have it.
01:36:46
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- As it turns out, although I was the first one
01:36:48
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to take the fall, I remember vividly,
01:36:49
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I was given that homework assignment,
01:36:51
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and I thought, you know what,
01:36:52
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if I'm gonna get a homework assignment
01:36:53
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spend a pile of money I will spend $100 pile or $100 size pile of money and be
01:36:58
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okay with that but anyways I bought this thinking I would use it twice never look
01:37:02
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back that thing is actually really convenient and I really like it like I'm
01:37:06
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not saying you have to buy the hundred dollar Apple version because there are
01:37:08
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other you know third-party versions that do the same idea but I actually really
01:37:13
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like having a Chi and MagSafe battery pack that you can just slap on a phone
01:37:18
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for a little while or for even several hours charge the phone and then just pop
01:37:23
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it right off and you don't have to think about it again. It is actually way more convenient
01:37:27
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than I expected. And a surprise hit in the LIS household. You know, every great once
01:37:31
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in a while, because we have Qi chargers on our bedside tables, we do not have MagSafe
01:37:35
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chargers on our bedside tables. And every great once in a while, one of us will miss
01:37:39
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and we think the thing is charging. In fact, this happened to Aaron last night. We think
01:37:42
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the thing is charging, but it turns out, you know, it isn't. And so you wake up in the
01:37:46
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morning, your phone's at like 10, 20, 30%. Well, if you, as long as we keep that battery
01:37:51
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pack charge, which we tend to do, which I know is terrible for the battery, but whatever,
01:37:54
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as long as we keep it charged and you just slap that bad boy on there and go about your
01:37:58
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day and not have to worry about it, which is really, really convenient.
01:38:01
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So again, I'm not necessarily advocating the Apple One specifically, but the whole idea
01:38:06
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of a Qi and MagSafe powered battery pack, two thumbs up from the List household.
01:38:12
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And the rumor about a new one, the things they could do with the new one to make it
01:38:15
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better is make the battery bigger, as in bigger capacity, maybe also visit Phrasily Assigned
01:38:20
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and make it attach more securely.
01:38:21
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And so that fits with the potentially stronger MagSafe rumor.
01:38:24
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So I'm hoping that's the case because the current one
01:38:26
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is not up to the rigors of Pokemon Go.
01:38:29
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- No it is not.
01:38:30
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- I just, I wish that there was a better way to charge
01:38:35
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than Qi for these battery packs.
01:38:37
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'Cause you know, like right now we have two options.
01:38:39
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We can either use Qi, which is a MagSafe,
01:38:41
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which is very convenient, but performs horribly.
01:38:45
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Or we can use a cabled battery pack,
01:38:49
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which is very inconvenient and bulkier,
01:38:51
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but charges much faster and more efficiently
01:38:54
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and with less heat.
01:38:55
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You know, 'cause a Qi battery pack,
01:38:57
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you figure, if you're using a little battery pack
01:39:00
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for your phone, size is important,
01:39:03
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charging speed is probably important
01:39:06
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if you don't wanna keep it on there all day long,
01:39:08
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and you were literally, Casey, just complaining
01:39:11
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about a heat issue with your phone, right?
01:39:14
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- Yeah, yeah, you're right.
01:39:14
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- And Qi is horrible for all those things.
01:39:17
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It is incredibly slow, it's inefficient,
01:39:20
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it loses lots of its power to heat in the process,
01:39:23
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which means both that your phone and pocket are hotter,
01:39:26
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and the same size battery pack,
01:39:29
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you're not getting as much power out of it,
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you know, as much capacity out of it
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as you would if it was directly wired.
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So really, Qi is terrible for the performance characteristics
01:39:37
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it just happens to be really convenient.
01:39:39
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I wish there was something,
01:39:41
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and I don't think they would ever do this,
01:39:42
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but I almost wish there was something
01:39:44
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like the iPad smart connector where there were
01:39:48
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like a couple of contact dots on the back of the phone
01:39:50
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and a compatible accessory could directly charge
01:39:54
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with contacts, maybe using MagSafe to align it,
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but having little contacts in the back
01:40:00
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that they could just use little holes there.
01:40:02
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- It sounds like what you want is not MagSafe, but MagSafe.
01:40:05
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- Right. (laughing)
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- Stupid Apple names.
01:40:10
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- Exactly, like that, some kind of,
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MagSafe with contacts would be incredible
01:40:16
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because it could charge things with much more current,
01:40:19
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so much faster charging,
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and with much less heat and power loss.
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And again, I don't see them doing this
01:40:26
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for a number of reasons, you know,
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aesthetic, the issues of going through cases,
01:40:30
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like, you know, I don't think they're gonna do it,
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but I wish they would because MagSafe
01:40:35
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for like alignment and stickiness is great,
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but Qi as a charging method sucks.
01:40:42
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The thing that will solve this, medium to longest term, is that assuming the advances
01:40:49
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in battery technology that are on the horizon actually come to fruition in the next few decades,
01:40:53
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we should be able to get in a phone-sized device enough battery power to be even better than what
01:41:01
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we have today to get you through the day with a phone caliber SoC and basically have many fewer
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watt hours to do that. so as chip technology advances, as the batteries get better, whatever,
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even if the charging technology doesn't get that much better, it's kind of the same way that the
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watch charges so fast that you can just put it on the charger when you take a shower and then you
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can sleep with it all night. it's because the watch battery is so small it has a small amount
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of energy in it. so to the extent that we can shrink the battery in the phone by saying we
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don't need the battery to have as much energy stored in it because the computing stuff in the
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the rest of the phone requires less energy to be a phone caliber SOC, that will let us
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get to the point where this wireless charging stuff is less onerous.
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Not through any amazing advance in wireless charging technology, not through any advance
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in connectors like the direct connection of things, but simply in "I don't have to put
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as much energy into this battery because the phone requires less energy."
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This is, you know, it's not an infinite timeline argument, but it is a decades long argument.
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That seems more likely to me than some kind of advance in wireless charging technology
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that makes it not have all the downsides you just talked about.
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Because practically speaking, the way we're doing wireless charging is the way, you know,
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it's electromagnetism to get energy from one place to another, and the farther you separate
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them and the more energy you have to put, like there's no getting around that stuff,
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I don't think there's anything on the horizon that's going to allow us to wirelessly charge
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longer distances and higher power without
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You know all the downsides of heat and inefficiencies and all the stuff. We don't like you know. It's funny
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I said to you that Aaron was using the battery pack this morning
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Because her phone got a little off-kilter last night on the charger
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And she had her phone in her purse while we went out to breakfast for her birthday today actually
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And she pulled her phone out of her purse after you know it had been sitting there half an hour an hour or something like
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That and the very first thing she said was oh my phone is on fire like obviously not literally
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But you know it was just really freaking hot and that's because of the Qi charging and like you were saying Marco and the fact
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That the battery pack was was creating and then the phone together were creating so much darn heat
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So this is another
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disappointing thing with the non pro 14 is that historically the the non pro phones have
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Been the type of thing where like if you don't care about the maximum possible power and all that other stuff you could potentially get
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better battery life from the non-Pro phone in these years when they've been the same
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form factor, same size battery and everything just because they run less hot, they are doing
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less stuff or whatever.
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Well this year, I mean maybe it's not that bad because I think the IE 16 and the A15
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are built on the same process I think.
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But anyway, the iPhone non-Pro 14 is not going to have a new SoC that uses less power.
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It's going to have the same old A15 as in the phones now.
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In fact, the same A15 as in the iPhone 13,
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because it's coming from a year
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when both phones had the good SoC,
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which is kind of disappointing.
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In theory, it could still use less power
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because of the more power-sipping Qualcomm cell modem
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that I think will also be in the 14.
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And maybe, I'm not sure about the low-power screen thing
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or whatever, but this just,
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if this becomes the way things are,
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I mean, if it had always been this way,
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we would have just accepted it,
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"Oh, well, the Pro phone has the fancy SoC
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and the non-pro one is the old one.
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But because we were spoiled by those years
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when they both have the same SOC,
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it is disappointing to go back to this tiered world
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and it makes the non-pro phone
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ever so slightly less attractive.
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Maybe that will be adjusted by the rumored price increases
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across the board, so it's like,
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well, I wasn't gonna get the pro phone,
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but look at these prices,
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I don't care about that camera that much.
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So we'll see how Apple positions this.
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Obviously the big win for non-pro people is,
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hey, if you wanted a big phone
01:44:44
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but didn't wanna pay pro prices, this is a huge upgrade.
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I can't believe Apple waited so long
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to produce a big iPhone for the people who want it that's not a pro phone.
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I think that is filling a big hole in their line.
01:44:57
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I would say that they're going to sell a lot of them, but I don't actually know how many
01:45:02
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people buy the Maxes at all, and I think it's a little bit of an unknown because the Max
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phone, the biggest phone, has always been Apple's most expensive phone for the entire
01:45:10
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history that the giant phone has existed in their lineup.
01:45:14
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So we don't know what it's going to be like.
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How many people were buying that because they always wanted the most expensive phone, or
01:45:18
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people just want a big screen phone and will get the cheapest big screen phone they can buy
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and that happened to be it so this will be a fun experiment for Apple's bean counters to see how
01:45:27
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this goes but I think no matter what it's not like they're going to do this and say oh it's a terrible
01:45:31
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mistake let's roll it back next year I think this should just be the way going forward I mean if
01:45:36
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only just for Sentry which Apple loves like 14 and 14 pro they both come in two sizes very very easy
01:45:42
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to explain. All right, what else? Apple watch series 8. The rumors about that are, hey,
01:45:50
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super boring. It's kind of like the series 7, maybe it'll have a temperature sensor,
01:45:53
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maybe it'll come in a new color or two. Yeah, we've heard basically nothing about whatever
01:45:59
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the regular version of the series 8 is supposed to be. We've only heard rumors about this
01:46:03
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larger, possibly more rugged one. Well, the temperature sensor is the main rumor for the
01:46:09
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the non- for the plane and you may be wondering we get that we get to a second
01:46:13
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but anyway for the plain old Apple series Apple watch series 8 temperature
01:46:17
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sensor is the rumor it's one of those type of things that Apple has at various
01:46:21
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times they've been rumors about new health sensors or capabilities that have
01:46:26
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either not launched when we thought they were going to or launch with less
01:46:29
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capability than the rumors said so we'll see how this goes the rumor now is that
01:46:33
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yes it will have a temperature sensor but you won't be able to say hey Apple
01:46:36
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watch, what's my body temperature right now?
01:46:38
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Instead, it'll just, because of the presumably
01:46:40
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the imprecision of it, it will just take readings
01:46:43
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over the course of the day and kind of tell you
01:46:45
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what your sort of average is by sort of throwing away
01:46:47
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the garbage values and averaging it altogether.
01:46:49
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Presumably due to the difficulty of taking your temperature
01:46:52
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on the back of your wrist, which as you know
01:46:55
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if you ever use a thermometer is not one of the areas
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where you tend to put a thermometer
01:46:58
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to get an accurate body temperature reading.
01:47:00
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But then again, we've all been scammed by the stupid IR
01:47:02
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things that go on your forehead.
01:47:04
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Although I still think the forehead is a easier place
01:47:06
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to get a accurate body temperature
01:47:08
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than the back of your wrist.
01:47:09
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So it's a difficult challenge.
01:47:11
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We'll see if this thing ships or how they position it.
01:47:13
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But as with all health sensors, Apple tends to be cagey
01:47:15
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and say, "This watch is not your doctor."
01:47:19
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We'll be really conservative about kind of what we say,
01:47:21
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like Margaux's fast heart rate thing.
01:47:23
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Like, we're not gonna tell you anything deep
01:47:26
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about your heart, but we're gonna say,
01:47:27
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"We noticed something that might be a thing.
01:47:29
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"Here you go."
01:47:30
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Like, here's a summary of something we noticed,
01:47:33
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but we'll see how the temperature stuff goes.
01:47:36
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If that does ship on the Apple Watch Series 8,
01:47:39
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that was probably enough to get a lot of people on board.
01:47:41
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Presumably, the rumor of the design is it looks
01:47:42
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just like the 7, same big screen, same all that stuff.
01:47:45
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Maybe it'll have some power improvements.
01:47:47
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I think we talked about last time
01:47:49
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that the SOC in the Apple Watch,
01:47:50
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they incremented the number,
01:47:51
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but it's basically the same SOC as the last one,
01:47:54
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with minimal changes.
01:47:56
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I wonder if they'll do that again.
01:47:57
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- I think it's about the same as the last two, actually.
01:47:59
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I think the Series 5, 6, and 7
01:48:02
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have all basically had the same SOC.
01:48:04
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Even though they've changed the name, you know, under the covers of people who have
01:48:07
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been poking around, it seems like it's similar.
01:48:09
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So I don't expect any big changes there.
01:48:11
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This year the big rumor is, for whatever the hell they call this thing, let's just call
01:48:15
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it the Apple Watch Series 8 Pro for now, but who knows what they'll call it.
01:48:18
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The rumor is that it will be a bigger watch with a flat display that is more rugged and
01:48:24
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has longer battery life and might be made of titanium.
01:48:27
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And this is kind of like the rumor last year that all the Apple Watches are going to have
01:48:30
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flat sides or whatever, although interestingly the rumor for this one is that it has a flat
01:48:33
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screen presumably that implies flat sides as well I'm not sure how they'll
01:48:38
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position this other than hey here's an Apple watch that cost more money if it
01:48:42
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actually is bigger the rumor is 47 millimeters and if that's like the only
01:48:45
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size it comes in I guess it'll have better battery life because it's just so
01:48:49
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much bigger and most of the stuff that's inside of his battery titanium should
01:48:54
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make it lighter and maybe more rugged but I like the rumors have been all over
01:48:58
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the place on this oh it's gonna be a watch for hikers and explorers and
01:49:01
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and you'll be able to take it into the wilderness with you
01:49:03
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'cause it's super rugged and it's the G-Shock
01:49:05
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of Apple Watches and the battery life lasts a long time
01:49:07
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and you can camp for a week with it without charging it
01:49:09
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like David Smith wants to do.
01:49:11
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But also it could just be, oh, this is a Pro one
01:49:14
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and it's fancier and it's more expensive
01:49:16
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or it could be it's the most expensive one
01:49:17
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'cause it's the biggest like the iPhone Pro Max.
01:49:20
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I really don't know, again, if this appears,
01:49:23
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how they're going to pitch this, but this seems like,
01:49:26
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I mean, I know the iPhone is the star of the show,
01:49:28
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but everything we talked about in the iPhone is like,
01:49:31
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it's like last year's phones but has some better stuff.
01:49:34
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This is a new product.
01:49:35
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And I know the 14 Max is also technically a new product,
01:49:38
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but this is a new product that,
01:49:39
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'cause Apple hasn't, we talked about this last year
01:49:41
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with the rumors of the flat size,
01:49:42
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Apple has not changed the fundamental iconic form factor
01:49:45
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of the Apple Watch in the history of the product.
01:49:47
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It has changed in subtle ways,
01:49:50
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but it's always been that Airstream trailer on your wrist
01:49:52
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but made of different materials.
01:49:54
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And it's gotten better and better looking over time,
01:49:56
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but they haven't changed that.
01:49:57
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If the rumors of this thing being flat
01:49:59
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and everything are true,
01:50:00
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This will be the first new design of the Apple Watch
01:50:03
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in the history of the product.
01:50:04
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It's like as if Tesla ever redesigned the Model S.
01:50:07
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It's like, wow, I didn't even know that was possible.
01:50:09
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I thought it was gonna be the same car forever and ever.
01:50:12
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We'll see if this happens, but if it does,
01:50:15
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I suppose the pro watch that presumably will cost
01:50:18
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even more than the other ones
01:50:19
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is the place to experiment with this.
01:50:21
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- And to be clear, and we'll see what all this ends up
01:50:25
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being in a product if it comes out,
01:50:26
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but there is a fairly substantially sized market
01:50:31
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for larger, more rugged smartwatches
01:50:35
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that are often used by either,
01:50:37
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for extreme workout conditions or things like hiking
01:50:41
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and large outdoor expedition kind of things.
01:50:44
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That is a market that exists and that is being served
01:50:47
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by other brands right now and the Apple Watch
01:50:49
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is not competing as well as it could in that market.
01:50:52
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So it actually does make tons of sense
01:50:55
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for Apple to try to get into this market.
01:50:57
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Whether they'll succeed, who knows, it remains to be seen.
01:51:00
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How well this product will actually appeal to that market,
01:51:02
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who knows, again, it remains to be seen.
01:51:05
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This is not a market of just cheap crap watches.
01:51:09
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Like the watches that are in this market
01:51:10
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are in the ballpark of Apple's prices,
01:51:13
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and I think they might even exceed them in some cases.
01:51:15
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So it isn't like Apple can't compete
01:51:18
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just because they're the nice expensive option
01:51:20
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like in certain markets.
01:51:22
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No, in this case, Apple could compete if they choose to.
01:51:24
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they just so far have basically chosen not to.
01:51:27
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And if you look, there's lots of these,
01:51:29
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of these like 46, 47-ish, 50 millimeter watches
01:51:34
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that are very thick and chunky,
01:51:35
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like John kind of sarcastically said,
01:51:38
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like the G-Shock of smartwatches.
01:51:40
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But no, those are real,
01:51:41
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that's a real category that actually exists
01:51:44
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and that is currently not buying Apple watches.
01:51:45
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- Does the G-Shock of smartwatches exist though?
01:51:49
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- I know Garmin makes a lot of--
01:51:52
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- No, I mean, I guess that makes sense for Garmin,
01:51:54
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but that's the challenge Apple faces, right?
01:51:57
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It's thus far, it's Apple watches have not been anywhere
01:52:01
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near the ballpark of I can take this on a week vacation
01:52:04
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without a charger, like not even close.
01:52:06
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A day or two maybe.
01:52:08
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- Right, so yeah, the battery question,
01:52:10
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that's a very big question and that remains to be seen
01:52:14
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if they try to exceed their current battery life
01:52:17
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or if they just say, you know what,
01:52:19
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if you're doing multi-day off the grid adventures,
01:52:21
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this still isn't for you, but if you're doing
01:52:24
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something that just requires more ruggedness, that's fine.
01:52:27
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'Cause ruggedness takes up space.
01:52:30
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So the question is, are they making
01:52:33
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a significantly bigger battery inside this watch?
01:52:36
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Or is it a significantly larger and more bulked up body
01:52:41
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around what is basically a 45 millimeter,
01:52:44
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Series 8 or Series 7?
01:52:46
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And I think that's the more likely thing.
01:52:48
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Because to make something rugged, again,
01:52:50
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you need padding, so whether it's like
01:52:53
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you know, this gummy plastic kind of case
01:52:55
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for some squish resistance there,
01:52:57
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or whether you're just using thicker metals, who knows.
01:53:01
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That's why, so the rumor is that this might be offered
01:53:04
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in titanium as like a pro high-end thing.
01:53:08
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I don't know if that necessarily makes sense
01:53:11
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to be this product.
01:53:12
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This, that sounds like, and maybe this is wishful thinking,
01:53:15
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that sounds like two different rumors
01:53:17
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that are being conflated, like maybe they're gonna have,
01:53:21
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or maybe they're gonna rebrand the edition
01:53:24
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as Apple Watch Pro, and that stays titanium,
01:53:27
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but stays available in all the sizes.
01:53:30
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And maybe the large, rugged one is made of something else.
01:53:34
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Because you can, as I mentioned earlier,
01:53:36
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you can make titanium fairly tough.
01:53:39
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In the ballpark, maybe a little bit tougher than steel,
01:53:41
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depending on how you're processing it
01:53:42
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and what you're finishing it with.
01:53:43
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But it can be pretty tough,
01:53:46
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but it's nothing like these Garmin rugged watches
01:53:48
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that are mostly made of plastic materials
01:53:51
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or plastic composites, to be rugged,
01:53:53
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you know, look at a G-Shock, again,
01:53:55
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G-Shocks exist made of metal,
01:53:57
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but most of them are made of resin and stuff,
01:53:59
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'cause it's just stronger,
01:54:01
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and it takes damage more gracefully.
01:54:03
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So if they're trying to compete with that market,
01:54:07
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I don't see that being the same product
01:54:09
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as a quote, pro thing made of titanium.
01:54:12
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That to me is a separate market.
01:54:15
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And there's lots of what we call tool watches
01:54:18
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or utility watches in the watch world
01:54:20
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that are basically, that basically means
01:54:21
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like kind of like you know, rugged everyday things
01:54:23
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that if you're like you know, working you know,
01:54:24
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in a condition where you know,
01:54:27
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your watch might get hit here and there, that it's strong.
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There are titanium uses in the watch world
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that you know, in those roles,
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but they get beaten up.
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And you know, they're made to take it somewhat gracefully,
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but they do get beaten up,
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and I don't know if Apple would use titanium in that way
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knowing that that's how it would be,
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you know, how it would be used.
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So I don't know, we'll see.
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I'm very, very curious to see what these rumors
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end up having been about, if anything.
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- Yeah, or if anything ships at all.
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But again, this was rumored for last year,
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maybe this will be the year.
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And speaking of that, one final product here,
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AirPods Pro 2.
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AirPods Pro have been around for a while.
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There's been rumors every second revision of them
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that hasn't appeared yet.
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Maybe it will be, maybe this will be the year.
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What would the AirPods Pro 2 do?
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What would they have?
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There are a lot of rumors surrounding.
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They'll be the first ones capable of lossless audio
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through some new codec,
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or maybe they'll just use improved codecs
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for the regular audio stuff.
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Presumably they would, you know,
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do slightly better at all the things
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the AirPods Pro already do,
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slightly better noise canceling,
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better battery life, all that.
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But the rumors are that these are not the new form factor
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that's been floating around like stemless essentially.
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I don't know if that's a real thing
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or just like someone's fantasy of like
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Apple should make AirPod Pros without a stem,
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but the rumor is that these don't look any different
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the current ones more or less, they would just be better at it.
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And I think, I mean this is kind of the problem with AirPods, we've talked about this before,
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they have such tiny batteries and lithium ion batteries eventually wear out and they
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are not replaceable.
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And so yeah, people can continue to just buy new copies of the same product they had, but
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eventually Apple likes to sell you a different version that costs slightly more.
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And that would be the AirPods Pro 2, which probably would be slightly more expensive
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than the old AirPods Pro.
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And I think it would encourage people to upgrade
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because they would say, you know what?
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I love my AirPods Pro,
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but the batteries aren't what they used to be.
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And I didn't want to buy a second copy
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of the same product I already have.
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But now that there's new ones
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that are slightly better in some way, I'll buy those.
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So AirPods are an amazing product.
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Whatever that was like,
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if AirPods were a company by itself,
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it would be in somewhere really high up in the Fortune 500.
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They're great products.
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There deserves to be a version two of these
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for people who like little gummy things
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shoved in their ear holes.
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- No, I couldn't agree more.
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Like, I was an AirPods mega fan, super fan
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from the moment I got my first set,
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which was not long after they originally shipped.
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And the AirPods Pro, I think I got for this past Christmas
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from Aaron, and they make the, assuming they fit
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in your ears, they make the original AirPods way better.
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Like, the noise cancellation is, I wouldn't say it's so good
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in the sense that it's better than other headphones'
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noise cancellation, but it's so good in the sense
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that it makes using the AirPods so much nicer
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because if you're in a loud environment,
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suddenly it can become a quiet environment
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and that's so amazing.
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So yeah, I am not personally in the market
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for new AirPods Pro because mine are still
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only eight, nine months old and their batteries
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are still working quite well,
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but I don't want this product to be abandoned
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and I'd very much like them to show
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that they are willing to keep making new ones.
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- No fear of them abandoning it.
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It's just the question of is,
01:57:35
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Are the AirPods Pro 2 ready yet or not?
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- Yeah, I mean, I was specifically talking about the Pros.
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I don't think that AirPods as a general idea
01:57:42
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will be abandoned, but particularly the AirPods Pro.
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And I still think you're right,
01:57:45
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I don't think those will be abandoned either,
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but I don't know, it's been a couple years.
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It'd be nice to know that things are still happening.
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- Yeah, I have been waiting to upgrade mine
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because my battery life is getting to be
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pretty terrible on my AirPods.
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And it is kind of showing me,
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'cause with the exception of the battery life,
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my AirPod Pros still work great.
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And it is kind of showing me like,
01:58:08
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wow, this is kind of a crappy thing for,
01:58:10
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you know, environmentalism and sustainability
01:58:12
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that this product is, like I'm ready to replace it
01:58:15
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and basically throw it away solely because the batteries
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really need to be replaced, but that they can't
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because they're too tiny and you know, impractical
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and glued in and whatever else.
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But yeah, so that, all that aside,
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I really hope they update these soon
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because I don't wanna buy a new pair of the current ones
01:58:31
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because they are so old, but if Apple came out and said,
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hey, you know what, we're not gonna update
01:58:35
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in front of their year, I would end up just buying
01:58:38
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another set 'cause I use them so much.
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They are such a good product.
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I love the AirPods Pro.
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They have made all other portable headphones useless to me.
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I don't use any other portable headphones.
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I only use my big, fancy headphones at my desk
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and I use the AirPods when I'm not at my desk
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and that's it, AirPod Pros, and that's it.
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And I love transparency mode, I love noise canceling,
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I love, the sound quality is extremely good
01:59:08
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for what they are, and I actually like the stems.
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I don't want them to go stemless,
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I like having the stems for lots of reasons.
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Like I think the pressure clicking mechanism
01:59:18
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is totally fine, way better than like
01:59:20
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the weird ear tapping thing on the other ones.
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- I have to say an update on that,
01:59:24
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because remember I got the AirPods 3
01:59:25
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that have the squeezy thing instead of the tapping.
01:59:28
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I do it, I continue to do it less frequently,
01:59:31
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but I still tap them sometimes.
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And that's like a year after I got them.
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And I'm kind of amazed.
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I thought I would just totally get over it,
01:59:37
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but like in a few moments, my body just has tapped.
01:59:39
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I liked the tap.
01:59:41
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I understand why people didn't like it.
01:59:42
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There are pros and cons to both,
01:59:44
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but I have to say for my purposes,
01:59:46
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the tap was a little bit more convenient.
01:59:48
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- No, you're wrong.
01:59:49
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- Yeah, I am on Team Marco on this one.
01:59:53
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- I mean, the squeeze isn't bad, but it is harder.
01:59:56
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it requires more than the tap.
01:59:58
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I think people didn't like the tap,
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they don't like the idea of hitting something
02:00:00
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that's in their ear, right?
02:00:01
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'Cause that's uncomfortable,
02:00:02
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but I never found it uncomfortable the way they fit
02:00:04
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and it's just so much easier to do.
02:00:06
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I mean, ideally, and they should totally do this,
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why can't they have it support both?
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'Cause whatever the accelerometer that does the tap
02:00:13
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and the presser sensor for the squeezing,
02:00:15
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you can fit those both in there, right?
02:00:17
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I mean, just jam it in.
02:00:18
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I would love to have it support both then for you to choose.
02:00:22
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Do you want to use one, both, neither?
02:00:23
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Like that makes perfect sense to me,
02:00:25
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but maybe in a few years they'll do that.
02:00:27
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- Yeah, anyway, yeah, so they're a great product.
02:00:30
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There's really not much I would change about them, really.
02:00:34
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So whatever Apple has updated,
02:00:36
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even if it's fairly minor updates, I'll take it,
02:00:40
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because it's already a great product
02:00:41
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that really needs very little to change.
02:00:44
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- And the final, final rumor, the one more thing
02:00:46
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that is not really rumored for this,
02:00:47
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but it's just in the news,
02:00:48
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because Apple filed a bunch of trademarks.
02:00:50
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Apple, through shell companies apparently,
02:00:52
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Apple has filed for trademarks for Reality One.
02:00:54
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reality processor and reality pro,
02:00:57
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we think the OS is called ROS or reality OS,
02:00:59
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this is for the AR, VR, whatever, muhusi thingamabobber,
02:01:03
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that someday might come out.
02:01:04
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I haven't seen any real people putting any stake
02:01:07
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in the idea that it's going to be announced
02:01:10
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at next week's event, but just FYI,
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that continues to rumble on the background,
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just like the car program.
02:01:15
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- Yep, they're both gonna ship any day now, I swear.
02:01:19
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- And look, it very well might be next week,
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But I don't know, it seems like we're still,
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it's one of those things like desktop Linux,
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it's always coming out next year.
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And I don't know, at some point it probably will come out.
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I think, again, I think that we probably will see
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an AR headset of some kind,
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while I think we will never see anything
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from Project Titan except maybe the Magcarplay thing.
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But this allegedly is soon,
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And it might be-- and maybe the meaning of the far out title
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of the invitation.
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Maybe the meaning is, hey, we're going
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to show you something that's kind of a preview of-- maybe
02:02:00
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we'll get that rumored developer preview mixed AR/VR headset
02:02:07
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now, or VR only maybe now.
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And then maybe this is-- and they're saying, oh,
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down the road, within two years, we'll
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ship the consumer version.
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Still seems more like a WWDC announcement,
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just because it's presumably a platform.
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- It also, it seems like that might even be
02:02:26
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a different event kind of announcement.
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Like, I don't know if they would necessarily
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combine that with the iPhone event.
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'Cause the iPhone event is so important,
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they have the most attention on that,
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and what everybody wants to know is, what's the new phone?
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That's what they wanna know.
02:02:42
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And they throw the watch in just 'cause it's convenient
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and it's not that long usually.
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- And AirPods can fit in there, 'cause it's fine.
02:02:47
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- Yeah AirPods are kind of, watches and AirPods
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are both kind of phone accessories
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and so like that makes some sense
02:02:53
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and you know you can see why they do it.
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I can't imagine them, unless the AR headset
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is ready for consumers, 'cause then it would be
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a phone accessory, you know.
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- A headset with no apps is ready for consumers?
02:03:06
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- I mean the Apple Watch launched kind of like that.
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- I know, I mean I suppose, but like.
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- Yeah I mean I just don't see it,
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I think if it was that close to being ready for consumers,
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I think we would have heard a lot more concrete rumors
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about it by now.
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- We've had a lot of concrete rumors.
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Like you've seen the testing OS,
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you've seen the descriptions of the hardware.
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Like it's just, you know,
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none of those things were products that were ready to ship.
02:03:27
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Like at this point, the headset project at Apple
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has been functioning for what, the past five years,
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six years as basically a space program inside Apple.
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And that lots of technologies either made for
02:03:40
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or suited to that program have,
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we've seen the benefit of them being released
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into our other products.
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all the noise canceling and directional audio,
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spatial audio stuff, all of the 3D engine things,
02:03:51
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all of the AR things that are all of our phones
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and the LIDAR sensors and all,
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that is all eventually, essentially technological bounty
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related to the headset project.
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Any headset they come out with,
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we'll use all of those things.
02:04:05
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In the years and years we've been using ARKit
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and all that other stuff or whatever,
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like it's not like that stuff is useless without a headset,
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but you look at that and you're like,
02:04:12
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"Oh, stereoscopic vision is an Apple's,
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a feature of their 3D engine.
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Why would they have that?
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Like it's just, like they're almost gonna,
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at a certain point they will have literally
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shipped everything having to do with this headset
02:04:24
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except for the headset.
02:04:26
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The software ecosystem will be there,
02:04:27
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the sensors will be there, we'll have all the things.
02:04:29
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Like, I mean, we know that like,
02:04:30
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what was the thing that had like,
02:04:31
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you take your phone and you put it in the thing
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and that would become your headset?
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Samsung did that years and years ago.
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- Oh, the cardboard thing?
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- Yeah, or no, there was a bunch of ones
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where you used your phone as the display.
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It was like, Apple has just, unlike the car thing,
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which we haven't seen anything from
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except for that, you know, various,
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the iteration of CarPlay that showed up at W3C.
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We have been, like this program,
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even if it never ships a product,
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has given us lots of cool technology
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that has been useful in products that Apple did ship.
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So I don't have a bad feeling about,
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I don't know, I don't have a sour feeling about this.
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Oh, they've been working on this for years
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and they never shipped it.
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At least we're getting good stuff from it, right?
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Even if it never ships.
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And I think probably eventually it will,
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but it doesn't seem like it's gonna be a thing
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- So I've been battling in my office here
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for the last few weeks.
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My office has had a smell.
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- Have you considered showering?
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- It is not, it doesn't feel like an Apple store.
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- That's it. (laughs)
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- We had, there was an object that was placed in my office
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that ended up having an odor on it,
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like a cologne kind of smell,
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like a very strong cologne kind of smell.
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And I realized that it was in my office for a few hours
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until I discovered it.
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So I got rid of the object.
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It didn't smell as bad when it was first there.
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Over the following days, it slowly built up in my office
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and it just smelled overwhelmingly of cologne,
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like 80s cologne.
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- Wait, if the object is gone,
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how is it building up over time?
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- I don't know.
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So it was placed on an upholstered chair
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that I have in the corner. - Oh no, no.
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It's soaked in.
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My office, the reason why I sound so good
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is because my office is full of soft things.
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I have the upholstered chair, I have window curtains,
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I have a wall in front of me where most of the wall
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is covered in acoustic foam tiles.
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On another side of me I have a blanket
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that's wrapped around a canvas with sound deadening foam
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on the inside, so it's basically like,
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it looks like a big frame, like a big like picture
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of blanket that absorbs sound.
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And then behind me, I have a whole bunch of
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coffee shipping bags that are themselves
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wrapped around canvas frames with sound editing foam
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inside them for more sound editing.
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And then below me is a five by seven carpet,
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a dog bed, and well, at the moment, also a dog.
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And so my room is full of all of these soft things
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In a very small, this is a very small room.
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It's eyeballing it, it looks like it's maybe like,
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you know, maybe eight by 10 at most.
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It's a small room.
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- You need to stop talking about your small room
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'cause you keep saying, I've seen pictures of it.
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I'm in a small room, you are not.
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- Anyway, so the object was gone
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and the chair cushion smelled bad
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but because it had been here for a few hours,
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I feel like the smell had permeated
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every soft surface in the room.
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'Cause like the sound board,
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like the sound editing coffee bag
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that was above the chair also smelled like,
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I took it out of the room
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so I could smell it independently.
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And it smelled, it had the smell.
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And so did the couple of framed ones next to it.
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And some of this stuff,
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so I have one of those Instagram rugs
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that you can throw in the washing machine.
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So that's the first thing I did,
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like all right, let me wash the rug.
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And like my desk sits on this rug.
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So getting the rug out from under your desk
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is not a small task, it was like a big job.
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Anyway, so, lots of stuff, like filing cabinets on the rug.
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Anyway, so, went through all these hoops.
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I first tried, we don't have great options here
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at the BeakShound for gear to remove this.
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Nobody has carpet steamers or anything,
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but the little corner store sells Febreze.
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So first I'm like, oh, that should work.
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Febreze is supposed to get rid of smells, right?
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- Oh, you're just masking it.
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- I learned that.
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So first, I try getting rid of the smell with Febreze.
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I go through a whole bottle of it,
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like all within five minutes.
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- No, no, your office smells like Febreze.
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- Yeah, I soak the chair,
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I spray every one of the soft things on the wall,
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I spray the rug, I spray my chair,
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even though it's an Aeron,
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like it doesn't really have upholstery,
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it just has like this mesh,
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but spray everything,
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'cause everything that could possibly hold the smell,
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I smell, I spray with Febreze.
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Now my whole office smells like fricking Febreze.
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So I'm like, all right, that didn't work.
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And it's, and like, and the smell,
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like right before I did the, I did the Febreze,
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the cologne smell was so strong
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that it was like making my eyes water.
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Like it was like, I had to do something.
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So then I Febreze the whole office.
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And meanwhile, this process started while Tiff had COVID
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and had temporarily lost her smell.
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She thinks you're just losing your marbles.
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- I'm going nuts and yeah, and she's like,
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what are you doing?
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It doesn't smell bad.
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I'm like, I assure you it smells terrible.
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I think my eyes are watering and I'm like.
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- By the way though, that is one of the things
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that can be a side effect of COVID
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is that things can smell and taste weird
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even after you've gotten over it
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or even if you never lost your sense of taste or smell
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when you had it.
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Afterwards, things can taste and smell differently to you
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So it may be that you have an increased sensitivity
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to whatever this cologne is.
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Maybe you should have a third party nose come in
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and say, "How bad does it smell?"
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I mean, right now it probably does sell
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really bad of Febreze, but.
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- And by the way, this is not something
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that can be aired out, because while Tiff had COVID,
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as a precaution to try to make Adam and I not get it,
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we, as I mentioned, like we were sleeping
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in different rooms, different sides of the house even,
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and we had all of the windows open
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and we live on the beach where there's tons of wind
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all the time.
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So the house was a wind tunnel
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and still, you'd still come into the room
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and you'd smell it and later on,
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after we were all clear, we closed all the windows up
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and turned the air conditioning on for a few days
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and it was unbearable 'cause now it's trapped in the room.
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So all right, so first,
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I go on Amazon, I'm like, all right,
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what the heck can I get for this,
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that I can get shipped here?
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Washing everything is just not working.
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The chair, I can't wash most of it.
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The dog bed, I wash that, I could do that, all right, fine.
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The rug, but the stuff on the walls,
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I can't wash all this stuff.
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So I'm like, all right, so first,
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based on everyone's recommendations
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and Amazon reviews and everything,
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I tried a HEPA filter, an air filter,
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I got one that had a really thick carbon layer
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on the filter so it'll absorb a lot of smells.
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It's made for like VOCs, which smells kind of R, I think.
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And then I also tried, they have these canisters
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that have mesh tops that have gel in them
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that is scented with natural oils.
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It's like, you know, pine oil.
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- You gotta stop bringing scents into this room.
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Have you learned nothing?
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Do not add any new scents.
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- Well, people claim that these things work,
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that somehow the pine oil evaporates or whatever,
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and I'm like, well, look, I'm desperate.
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to people whose houses all smell like air freshener.
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- You know, because ordering things has, you know,
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a three or four day delay here, I'm like,
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let me just buy one of everything, like I'll just try.
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So I bought a little air filter that said
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it was gonna do this, you know, again,
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because it's a small room, I don't need a big air filter,
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so that was at least not too big or expensive.
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Little HEPA filter, I got these, you know,
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little canisters, and I got a couple of different sprays
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that were supposed to like neutralize odors.
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And oh, and I was about to leave for a couple days.
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And so I left the two, I got two of these little like,
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you know, air freshening things that allegedly kill smells
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with natural oils of whatever.
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I got two of them.
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I left them both in the office with the fan on high
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and the air filter running on full blast
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and I closed the door and I left for two days.
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- Wait, wait, wait.
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One of the first things I would have suggested to you
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and you're always going off and doing these things
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without consulting us and you really should consult us.
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But the thing that was sitting on an upholstered chair,
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- Right, and you got rid of the thing.
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Is the upholstered chair still in the room?
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- First thing I tried was taking the chair out of the room.
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- Yeah, take it out of your house.
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- Well, it's not that-- - Throw it in the ocean.
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- First of all, it's a very good chair
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and they don't make it anymore, but so--
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- No, but Marco, you already have a solution for this.
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As we've already established,
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there is a portion of your deck or under deck area
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that is completely weatherproof that you could've put it in.
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Anyway, so yeah, first thing I tried,
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I brought the chair out of the room
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and just let it sit for a while.
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Where did you bring it?
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To the room that's next to the room?
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You need to get it out of the house.
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Because you have-- look, smell is not magic.
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Smell comes from somewhere.
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Whether it's these-- you said it smelled like this cologne
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or whatever.
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And there was an object that had that smell that
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sat on the thing.
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Once the object is no longer in the house,
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So if the smell continues to be there and get stronger,
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whatever was in that thing must be in something else.
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You need to, if you can't purge that thing of the smell,
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which is what you've been trying to do
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with various techniques, you need to get the source
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of the smell out of your house.
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And then what you have left is how much of that smell
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has sunk into some other stuff.
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But it sounds like the source of the smell is still there.
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Putting it in another room is not gonna help.
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You've just gotta burn it with fire
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if you can't get the smell out of it.
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- Well, it did help.
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It helped a lot to move out of my office,
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just so I could tell how much is a problem with the chair
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versus how much is so tuned to everything else in the office.
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Sure enough, my office still smells.
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I'm like, all right, now we've moved beyond the chair.
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- But it's still in the house.
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You have not moved beyond the chair.
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Just think of it as a video game
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where you can see smell vapors,
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green smell vapors coming out of that chair.
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Yeah, you moved it out of your office
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so it's not as bad as it was
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and it's being dispersed into the larger room,
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but it might still be there.
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So after I stunk up my whole office with Febreze,
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which didn't work, it just made everything
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smell like Febreze, and I tried clearing that off
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with the air filter and everything else.
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- It's like buying a mongoose to go after the snake
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and then buying a lion to go after the mongoose.
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- So then I had these canisters of gel
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that smell like pine or lemon or whatever.
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- I'm like, let me open these up in here,
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I'll let it run with the air filter for a couple days,
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I'll come back, I'll get rid of them,
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and I'll see if it can normalize, right?
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So I come back and now the room just smells
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like pine lemon cologne, Febreze.
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- Who could have predicted this?
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Who could have predicted this?
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- I mean, I love when things smell like nothing.
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I consider it a luxury.
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I wear unscented deodorant.
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I like unscented laundry detergent.
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I don't want scents on anything.
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I want everything unscented.
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- Why did you bring new scents into your home?
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- So you brought a thing that said pine scent
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and you left it in the room.
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- It said it would get rid of other scents,
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so I figured I'd give it a shot.
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- Replacing them with pine.
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Congratulations, you've played yourself.
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- So now that my room smells like cologne and pine
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and lemon and Febreze, finally I tried this other spray
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I had called zero odor.
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So I tried spraying the cushion of the chair,
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like where the object was sitting,
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that was like the most dense part of the cologne.
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I tried just dousing it in the zero odor stuff.
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I later learned, a few minutes later,
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Zero Odor itself has a smell.
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They call it a tracer scent,
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so you can tell where you smell it.
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That's supposed to dissipate?
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- It's like the stuff they put in natural gas.
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That tracer scent smells quite strongly
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of like baby powder or bleach or something like that.
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It smells very strongly,
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and it doesn't dissipate for a while.
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However, I did notice after a couple of days
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that it did go away,
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and that the smell on the cushion
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was substantially reduced.
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So I'm like, okay, I got something that works.
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- Have you gotten rid of the pine thing?
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- Almost, they're in a plastic bag,
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ziplocked next to me, just so I could--
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- Would you just throw them out?
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- They were outside, I brought them back in for the show
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so I wouldn't forget to mention them.
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They're sitting right here next to the bottle of Zero.
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- Ziplock bags are air permeable.
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- I've learned that, but yeah,
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but anyway, they were just here for like an hour.
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But I realized, okay, the cushion was improved
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by the zero odor spray.
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I'm now out of zero odor.
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Let me order a couple of bottles more.
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So they come and I got two more bottles of it.
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They come and I spend the next few days
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just dousing my office in this stuff,
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which then makes my office smell like zero odor,
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which does not have zero odor.
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- Sounds like it's non-zero odor.
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- Oh my, yeah, it's definitely significant odor
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for a little while, but then I at least know
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there's an end to it.
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Like, it ends in a couple days.
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- They should be forced to rename their product to Rendezvous.
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- Wow, that's a deep cut.
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Anyway, so eventually though, it did work.
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And meanwhile, so, and every night,
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like, you know, the air filter is loud as hell,
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but every night, I'm, like, when I leave my office,
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I turn the air filter on maximum and close the door
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and just let it run itself overnight,
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like just filtering everything.
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As far as I can tell, the air filter seems to be doing
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nothing because it's just circulating clean air
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that is still having smell being emitted into it
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constantly by whatever.
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Anyway, so I zero odor a few more times.
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I deplete both bottles that I bought.
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So now I'm three bottles down on zero odor.
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- Oh my gosh.
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- But it is working.
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Like the areas that I spray, then a few days later,
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actually do smell less or like nothing.
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- Or it's just slowly killing your olfactory receptors
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so you can't smell anything anymore.
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- Eh, potato, potato.
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- I eventually bought this thing called Zero Odor Pro,
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which-- - Oh, of course you did.
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- I think it's just the same thing in a bigger bottle.
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- It just has the newer SOC in it.
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- Yeah. (both laughing)
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So now I have the large bottle, the full-size bottle,
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which I have right here, Zero Odor Pro.
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The other day, I sprayed every surface in the office
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that was soft.
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the window blinds, the acoustic tiles, the acoustic panels,
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the rug, the dog bed, not the dog, the cushion.
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I like doused the cushion, 'cause everyone says like,
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if you, like, you gotta, for it to work, you gotta,
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it has to be like damp, like when you're done.
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It has to, you have to really spray a lot.
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I sprayed every single surface of the office.
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It was unbearable to be in here.
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For like, for like the entire 24 hours after that period.
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It was way too much.
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I definitely should not have done that
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in such a small space to that density of spray in one day.
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It was unbearable.
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However, - Oh my word.
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- Now it is a few days later and the smell is, I think,
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totally gone for the first time in three weeks.
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I feel like I have finally won.
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I have defeated the cologne.
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I have defeated the Febreze.
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I have defeated the air fresheners.
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- I'm not sure you defeated anything.
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It may be that time defeated these things.
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So here's the thing with smells, right?
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If you remove the source of the smell
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and you just have lingering things
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that have picked up the smell,
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most smells, the reason you smell them,
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I mean, the VOCs are volatile organic compounds,
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is that things that smell bad tend to be volatile,
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which means they are reacting with everything.
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They are reacting with the air,
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which means if the source of them is gone,
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eventually all of those volatile compounds
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will react with just the air in the room
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and they will go away.
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Now that may take a long time.
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- I fed them so much air.
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- Right, well, so, but I'm just saying,
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it may take a lot of time, and yes,
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having contact with more air will speed that process up,
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but it may take a while, right?
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A lot of, what you were actually looking for
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in the case where you're trying to, quote unquote,
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get rid of a smell, I don't know what the solution is
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to cologne, but for things like a lot of pet odors,
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where it's, you know, organic compounds,
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as in, you know, pet pee or poo and stuff like that,
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or, you know, anal gland secretions
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and all sorts of stuff like that, or even skunk odor,
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there are things that you can buy specifically
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for whatever it is, like, say your dog got skunked,
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which happened to me.
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I learned the hard way that there's lots of lilies,
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folk remedies or whatever, but what you really want
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is a tailor-made product that will cause
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the volatile compounds in skunk spray
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to react much, much faster.
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So I think we use like nature's miracle brand
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or whatever that was specifically for skunk smell.
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- Oh, I used some of that too.
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- Right. - Forgot about that.
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- But here's the thing.
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- I have that and used that the very first day.
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- Those things are tailored to reacting
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with whatever it is they say they're for,
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whether it's for de-skunking or animal pee or whatever,
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they're almost certainly gonna do nothing to cologne,
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which is your problem, but cologne, if it's very smelly,
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probably is itself some kind of volatile compound.
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So what you need is,
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either something that's going to quote unquote absorb odor,
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like baking powder or charcoal, activated charcoal, whatever.
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- Try baking powder the very first day.
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- Right, but better yet,
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you need something that will react with this thing
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to sort of burn it out faster.
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But I don't know what the heck you would ever get
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to react with cologne, right?
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All these products are made for,
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like your pet had an accident
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or you got skunked or something, right?
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And they're tailor-made to those,
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whatever is the smelly thing in cat pee
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or in skunk spray, right?
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But I don't think cologne hopefully uses
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any of the same ingredients as cat pee or skunk spray.
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So that's probably why you had a hard time.
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So I don't know what your solution should have been,
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but that's what you're looking for.
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You're not looking for a thing
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that will add a piney scent or whatever.
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Now maybe that zero odor thing is that,
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but I wonder if it's formulated for cologne
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or if it's just sort of like nuke everything
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and try to react with everything
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that you come in contact with and burn it out.
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But I think the other plausible theory is,
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if you had done literally nothing,
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your room would smell the same now
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except for maybe with less of a pine scent
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because it would have eventually burned itself out
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because you, yeah, it would have eventually burned itself out
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no matter what over the course of a week
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because that's just what smells do.
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If you've removed the source of the smell
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and if there's no new smell coming in,
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it should eventually sort of burn itself out.
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Even if there was a pile of poop in your room.
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If you wait a year, your room won't smell like poo anymore
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'cause the pile of poo will be all just dried out
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and just, you know,
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like obviously that's the worst case scenario.
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But anyway, what you did is I think a good lesson
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in the fact that you can't cover up smells.