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00:00:00 ◼   ► Do you or your kids or have you or your kids discover geometry - yet?

00:00:05 ◼   ► Geometry - I have no idea what you're talking about. Is that like number munchers? I don't know. No, it's it's a game

00:00:11 ◼   ► so this is like

00:00:12 ◼   ► My kid has been obsessed with this game for a number of months now

00:00:16 ◼   ► And it's one of those games that like spreads to every child's friend the basic gameplay

00:00:21 ◼   ► It's kind of like flappy bird where you're like, you know jumping up and down but taken to the most ridiculous extreme

00:00:28 ◼   ► possible to the point where it's this now it's a huge world the game itself not only does it have a million levels that I have just

00:00:35 ◼   ► huge amounts of complexity tons of visual distractions

00:00:39 ◼   ► It's like crack for your brain

00:00:41 ◼   ► If you if your brain works a certain way

00:00:42 ◼   ► Like it's just this huge amount of stuff on screen all to for this basically, you know, there's like instant death kind of

00:00:49 ◼   ► frustrating hardcore kind of jumping game

00:00:52 ◼   ► and

00:00:53 ◼   ► What's interesting about so there's also a level editor in it

00:00:56 ◼   ► And so of course my kid has gotten into making his own levels and you can submit your levels

00:01:00 ◼   ► It's all right in the game and what I love about this thing

00:01:02 ◼   ► This is not an ad for Jam

00:01:26 ◼   ► 100 levels added all like every day or something by people and they get featured every day and like there's all and it's a huge

00:01:32 ◼   ► Community, there's youtubers playing it talking about all that

00:01:34 ◼   ► That's pretty how we found it

00:01:36 ◼   ► like it is it is kind of a joy to me to see this game succeeding in the way it does because

00:01:41 ◼   ► It's succeeding in the way that iOS games used to back before everything was in and I purchased garbage fest

00:01:47 ◼   ► It's just a game that you pay for and you have it and there and like there are stuff you can you can like level

00:01:54 ◼   ► Up to in the game you can get you know better

00:01:56 ◼   ► You know suits or skins or whatever, but you do that by playing the game and like just by like beating levels

00:02:02 ◼   ► It's not by but you don't spend ten bucks on a coin pack to get a treasure loot chest to possibly get you know

00:02:09 ◼   ► It's like it's none of that garbage

00:02:10 ◼   ► It's just a game that you play and you get stuff in the game and you can make stuff in the game

00:02:14 ◼   ► It's this whole thing and it just seems so like nice and wholesome that you know

00:02:19 ◼   ► It's it's just rare and I mean this is not a new game

00:02:22 ◼   ► I'm sure anyone out there who's an iOS gamer has probably gotten tired of this game 10

00:02:27 ◼   ► years ago.

00:02:28 ◼   ► But as somebody who has only seen it recently, I'm very impressed by just how nice of a little

00:02:33 ◼   ► world this game has created.

00:02:34 ◼   ► And just when you see some of the levels that are made, the amount of work and complexity

00:02:41 ◼   ► and artistry that go into it is quite something.

00:02:44 ◼   ► I can't play the game for crap.

00:02:47 ◼   ► This is the kind of game like you play, you jump a few times, you die, you jump a few

00:02:50 ◼   ► times again, you die again.

00:02:51 ◼   ► and I'm like, all right, I wanna throw the iPad

00:02:53 ◼   ► out the window.

00:02:54 ◼   ► I don't have the kind of personality

00:02:55 ◼   ► to play this kind of game.

00:02:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a tip, she managed to last.

00:02:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

00:02:59 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:03:00 ◼   ► But yeah, this is, I'm very impressed by Geometry Dash

00:03:04 ◼   ► and the world around it, and it's pretty cool.

00:03:07 ◼   ► So if you have kids with iPads, check it out.

00:03:10 ◼   ► - A developer should talk to the current Unity CEO,

00:03:13 ◼   ► former EA CEO, who recently said that if you don't think

00:03:16 ◼   ► about monetization during the creative process,

00:03:18 ◼   ► you are a quote, "F-ing idiot."

00:03:20 ◼   ► - Solid Geometry Dash developer, sorry.

00:03:22 ◼   ► The Unity CEO doesn't like you.

00:03:24 ◼   ► - EA deserved that guy.

00:03:25 ◼   ► - Seriously.

00:03:26 ◼   ► - No, no, but Unity's got him now.

00:03:27 ◼   ► He's the CEO of Unity.

00:03:28 ◼   ► We talked about 3D engines last time.

00:03:30 ◼   ► - Oh well.

00:03:31 ◼   ► I'm curious, so my kid's also trying to get into coding

00:03:37 ◼   ► and game creation, and we talked about this

00:03:40 ◼   ► probably a year ago.

00:03:42 ◼   ► I got a bunch of recommendations from listeners.

00:03:45 ◼   ► I don't think he was quite ready for those at the time.

00:03:48 ◼   ► We tried a few.

00:03:49 ◼   ► nothing really stuck, but he did recently finish the first,

00:03:53 ◼   ► I guess, batch of Swift Playgrounds,

00:03:55 ◼   ► and wants to jump into making a very simple game now.

00:03:59 ◼   ► However, you know, he's still young.

00:04:01 ◼   ► I think attention span is still a very challenging thing.

00:04:04 ◼   ► And he suggested trying Unity,

00:04:06 ◼   ► 'cause he's heard from YouTubers that you can do that.

00:04:09 ◼   ► And then I heard on the talk show this week,

00:04:11 ◼   ► Jon had on, I forget the guy's name,

00:04:13 ◼   ► the guy who made the Apple Store Time Machine thing

00:04:15 ◼   ► called Shop Different, which is amazing.

00:04:18 ◼   ► I went through it a few days ago, like wow.

00:04:20 ◼   ► That's the whole thing, I was very impressed with that.

00:04:23 ◼   ► Most of them I didn't, I was just kind of

00:04:25 ◼   ► more impressed academically, but then when I went

00:04:26 ◼   ► to the Fifth Avenue, New York, Glass Cube recreation,

00:04:31 ◼   ► I've been to that store a lot during that time period

00:04:34 ◼   ► that it's represented, and it felt like going there again.

00:04:37 ◼   ► It was an incredible recreation,

00:04:38 ◼   ► like it really did nail exactly how it felt.

00:04:41 ◼   ► And to walk through that and be like,

00:04:42 ◼   ► I've been here before, I remember this,

00:04:45 ◼   ► when it looked like this,

00:04:46 ◼   ► That was really quite something.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Anyway, the creator of that mentioned

00:04:49 ◼   ► that he made it in Unity, and that he's not

00:04:52 ◼   ► much of a programmer.

00:04:53 ◼   ► But it was apparently easier to just import stuff.

00:04:56 ◼   ► I don't even know, I know that Unity is a game engine.

00:04:59 ◼   ► Other than that, I don't know anything about Unity.

00:05:01 ◼   ► I couldn't pick it up in a lineup.

00:05:03 ◼   ► - It's like a full IDE, it's like a full IDE

00:05:05 ◼   ► for a 3D environment.

00:05:06 ◼   ► So you could do modeling, texturing, arranging,

00:05:09 ◼   ► geometry, it's still hard to do, it's still complicated.

00:05:11 ◼   ► I remember last time you were looking into Pulp,

00:05:14 ◼   ► what do you call it?

00:05:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, well there's the playdate thing, yeah.

00:05:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, for the play.

00:05:18 ◼   ► - And then we looked into, oh god,

00:05:20 ◼   ► I forget the names of all these things.

00:05:22 ◼   ► The little like, oh god, Pico something?

00:05:25 ◼   ► Pico 8.

00:05:26 ◼   ► - But the pulp you can do all on the web

00:05:27 ◼   ► and it's programming optional.

00:05:29 ◼   ► You're basically dragging tiles around

00:05:30 ◼   ► and setting up rules and then you can dive

00:05:32 ◼   ► into the code if you want to.

00:05:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, so anyway, I'm looking at,

00:05:35 ◼   ► we're gonna look back into stuff like that again,

00:05:37 ◼   ► but Unity I think is one of the things

00:05:39 ◼   ► that's on the table for like, he's motivated to do it

00:05:43 ◼   ► And what's good about that is that if he runs into questions

00:05:47 ◼   ► or problems, he can just look up the answer on YouTube,

00:05:49 ◼   ► which is how he finds information anyway.

00:05:51 ◼   ► - Oh, no, I can give you one better.

00:05:53 ◼   ► He can ask me.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Because-- - What?

00:05:56 ◼   ► - Do you wanna know, wait, do you,

00:05:57 ◼   ► not because, I don't know crap about Unity

00:05:59 ◼   ► or 3D programming, but do you know what Unity's

00:06:02 ◼   ► scripting engine is written using?

00:06:05 ◼   ► C#, baby, it's all coming back.

00:06:07 ◼   ► - Really? - So he can ask,

00:06:09 ◼   ► oh yeah, oh yeah, how's that make you feel, Marco?

00:06:11 ◼   ► Feel good?

00:06:12 ◼   ► Do you need a shower now?

00:06:13 ◼   ► - So he just needs to learn Java

00:06:14 ◼   ► and he basically knows it, right?

00:06:15 ◼   ► - Ooh, sick burn, but mostly true.

00:06:17 ◼   ► (both laughing)

00:06:20 ◼   ► Honestly, I haven't written C# in 10, 15 years,

00:06:22 ◼   ► something like that, 10 years?

00:06:23 ◼   ► No, maybe less than that.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I don't know, it's been a while though,

00:06:25 ◼   ► and I've probably forgotten everything I once knew.

00:06:27 ◼   ► There was a brief window of time

00:06:28 ◼   ► that I was a pretty good C# developer,

00:06:29 ◼   ► but that was many years ago.

00:06:31 ◼   ► But I don't know, I don't think those muscles

00:06:33 ◼   ► have entirely atrophied quite yet.

00:06:35 ◼   ► - Anyway, so that's gonna be an area that we're looking into

00:06:37 ◼   ► but anyway, all this is to say,

00:06:39 ◼   ► Geometry Dash, thumbs up.

00:06:42 ◼   ► This is news to me.

00:06:43 ◼   ► I'll have to check this out.

00:06:45 ◼   ► - I love those new in-app purchases.

00:06:47 ◼   ► It's just a game.

00:06:49 ◼   ► There was this brief period,

00:06:51 ◼   ► relatively now in retrospect,

00:06:53 ◼   ► this brief period back from 2008

00:06:56 ◼   ► when the apps were launched,

00:06:58 ◼   ► through I would say the first year or two of the iPads,

00:07:02 ◼   ► like 2010 and 2011.

00:07:04 ◼   ► Remember that first batch of iPad games was also this way.

00:07:08 ◼   ► They were really good games that had no in-app purchases

00:07:12 ◼   ► or at least very few, 'cause I think in-app purchase,

00:07:14 ◼   ► I don't think it was available till iOS 5, I think?

00:07:17 ◼   ► - Oh, I don't remember.

00:07:18 ◼   ► - And the iPad launched with iOS 3.2.

00:07:20 ◼   ► So I think there was a two-year span there.

00:07:22 ◼   ► But anyway, the first year or two of the iPad

00:07:26 ◼   ► basically predated the use of in-app purchase

00:07:28 ◼   ► widespread in games.

00:07:29 ◼   ► And the games that came out during those early iPad years

00:07:33 ◼   ► were great, they were so much fun.

00:07:36 ◼   ► You had the first versions of Field Runners,

00:07:39 ◼   ► Plants vs. Zombies, the plane landing game,

00:07:42 ◼   ► what was that called, Flight Control.

00:07:44 ◼   ► There were so many great, amazing games,

00:07:46 ◼   ► and due to a number of unfortunate factors,

00:07:48 ◼   ► most of them you can't even play anymore,

00:07:49 ◼   ► even if you wanted to.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - Was Cut the Rope in that era?

00:07:52 ◼   ► I know it eventually had all in-app purchases,

00:07:53 ◼   ► but I wonder if Cut the Rope predated it

00:07:55 ◼   ► and then you added it later.

00:07:56 ◼   ► - I don't think so.

00:07:57 ◼   ► Cut the Rope, I think, was later.

00:07:58 ◼   ► At least I didn't hear about it

00:07:59 ◼   ► till well into the in-app purchase era.

00:08:01 ◼   ► But those early, man, those early iPad games were so good,

00:08:05 ◼   ► And that era is just gone and most of those games are gone

00:08:08 ◼   ► and they've all been either totally killed

00:08:11 ◼   ► and their companies don't even exist anymore

00:08:12 ◼   ► or they got acquired forever ago by somebody like EA

00:08:15 ◼   ► and shut down and/or they've been remade as modern sequels

00:08:20 ◼   ► that are just in-app purchase casino garbage games.

00:08:22 ◼   ► It's just such a shame 'cause those first games were so fun

00:08:25 ◼   ► and that's why something like Geometry House comes along

00:08:27 ◼   ► or rather sticks around and it's just so refreshing

00:08:30 ◼   ► to see that now when you're used to today.

00:08:33 ◼   ► If somebody recommends an iOS game to me today,

00:08:35 ◼   ► I usually won't even play it because I know it's gonna be full of in-app purchase garbage.

00:08:38 ◼   ► Like unless it's a Zack Gage game, I'm usually out.

00:08:41 ◼   ► But to see something like this that's still doing well and that has the old model is both

00:08:46 ◼   ► rare and refreshing.

00:08:48 ◼   ► Joe Jardasch kind of looks like a combination of an infinite runner and a VVVVVV for kids.

00:08:53 ◼   ► I never got into that one.

00:08:55 ◼   ► What?

00:08:56 ◼   ► Six V's.

00:08:57 ◼   ► It's a very intentionally primitive looking, extremely difficult, unforgiving platformy

00:09:03 ◼   ► jumping game.

00:09:04 ◼   ► I have not heard of this either.

00:09:05 ◼   ► And it reminded me a little of Geometry Dash,

00:09:07 ◼   ► but I only played Geometry Dash for two seconds,

00:09:09 ◼   ► but it seems like it's mostly left to right,

00:09:10 ◼   ► whereas 6Vs is all over the place.

00:09:13 ◼   ► No, it's also all over the place.

00:09:14 ◼   ► There's like, and there's different modes

00:09:16 ◼   ► that turn you into different objects

00:09:18 ◼   ► with different movement characteristics.

00:09:20 ◼   ► You can reverse, you can speed up, you can slow down.

00:09:22 ◼   ► There's all sorts of craziness in there.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Trust me.

00:09:25 ◼   ► Did you show Adam the Vs game,

00:09:26 ◼   ► which I'm not gonna say the name of again,

00:09:28 ◼   ► because if he likes Geometry Dash,

00:09:30 ◼   ► he might like this game as well.

00:09:32 ◼   ► I mean, I think this relies on

00:09:33 ◼   ► a little bit of nostalgia that he obviously doesn't have, but it is similarly punishing

00:09:37 ◼   ► mechanics. And you should get him into like FromSoft games eventually, like the Souls

00:09:40 ◼   ► games when he's older. He likes unforgiving games.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Yeah, he very much does. And it's like, it's kind of rhythm based because the levels have

00:09:49 ◼   ► music and usually the jumps that you need to do will correspond to beats in the music.

00:09:54 ◼   ► So there's that aspect and the music is very like, you know, electronic style, which is

00:09:59 ◼   ► right up his alley.

00:10:01 ◼   ► So that also helps.

00:10:02 ◼   ► So it's a whole picture thing that really hits him.

00:10:07 ◼   ► He loves it, and I love that it's so kind of wholesome

00:10:10 ◼   ► and not in-app purchase garbage fest.

00:10:12 ◼   ► And so it's wonderful.

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00:11:31 ◼   ► All right, let's do some follow up.

00:11:32 ◼   ► John, you promised us last week, or we assigned homework

00:11:36 ◼   ► last week, that you should compare the M1 MacBook Air

00:11:40 ◼   ► speakers and the M2 MacBook Air speakers.

00:11:42 ◼   ► Have you done your homework, John,

00:11:44 ◼   ► that we should never have assigned you?

00:11:45 ◼   ► I have.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Both speakers are not good.

00:11:50 ◼   ► I told you.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Goes without saying, I was comparing them.

00:11:53 ◼   ► I honestly had never listened to them.

00:11:55 ◼   ► Because like I said, these are my son's laptops,

00:11:57 ◼   ► and he uses headphones all the time

00:11:58 ◼   ► and maybe I hear like the system beep

00:12:00 ◼   ► if I'm ever doing something, that's about it.

00:12:03 ◼   ► And I'm not, you know, that makes it difficult

00:12:05 ◼   ► to compare which one is less bad,

00:12:09 ◼   ► but I think pretty definitively,

00:12:11 ◼   ► the M1 MacBook Air is better.

00:12:14 ◼   ► They both sound bad, but--

00:12:15 ◼   ► - The old one is better?

00:12:17 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:12:17 ◼   ► - Hmm.

00:12:18 ◼   ► - I mean, you can try it yourself.

00:12:19 ◼   ► I don't have particularly attuned ears,

00:12:21 ◼   ► but like, it just felt like the M2

00:12:23 ◼   ► was even more inside a tin can than the M1.

00:12:26 ◼   ► I played music on them, right?

00:12:27 ◼   ► I was playing the same song on both of them

00:12:29 ◼   ► and I'd play one and then play the other

00:12:30 ◼   ► and play one and play the other.

00:12:31 ◼   ► And it's like, oh, they're both really bad.

00:12:33 ◼   ► And it was just, you know,

00:12:34 ◼   ► I just feel like the M1 is better.

00:12:36 ◼   ► I mean, it could be that because the speakers

00:12:39 ◼   ► are like up firing instead of bouncing off the screen,

00:12:41 ◼   ► that could be the entirety of the difference.

00:12:42 ◼   ► But I'm just, to my ears,

00:12:44 ◼   ► the M1 MacBook Air sounded better.

00:12:47 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:12:47 ◼   ► - Not by a lot, they're both bad.

00:12:50 ◼   ► And it was really difficult for me to tell

00:12:52 ◼   ► and I would not play music on either one, that's for sure.

00:12:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:12:56 ◼   ► It's funny every time that I use my MacBook Pro as a laptop

00:13:01 ◼   ► because I don't do that often.

00:13:03 ◼   ► It definitely happens, but it's not often

00:13:06 ◼   ► that I'm going and doing work and sitting down

00:13:08 ◼   ► and doing something serious on my MacBook Pro

00:13:10 ◼   ► and using it as it is, you know, not connected to screens

00:13:13 ◼   ► and all sorts of other paraphernalia.

00:13:15 ◼   ► And today I went to my beloved ultra wideband park bench,

00:13:19 ◼   ► as I described a few weeks ago.

00:13:21 ◼   ► And actually, as a quick aside, yesterday,

00:13:23 ◼   ► it was yesterday we went to a museum and then went to lunch in quasi-downtown Richmond and I was

00:13:29 ◼   ► sitting at lunch and I noticed I was on ultra wideband and I did a speed test over three

00:13:34 ◼   ► gigabits down. Over three. That's three times faster than my own connection. It still blows my mind.

00:13:40 ◼   ► I don't know what I would ever do with this but it's still cool that it exists. Technology, baby.

00:13:43 ◼   ► Anyway, so I was at my beloved ultra wideband park bench earlier today and it occurred to me,

00:13:48 ◼   ► you know, the screen on these MacBook Pros is really freaking good and although I only use the

00:13:52 ◼   ► the speakers for but a moment because it's rude to do that in public the

00:13:55 ◼   ► speakers on the MacBook Pro all things considered are pretty darn good too so

00:13:59 ◼   ► I'm not saying that like the MacBook Air is wrong for most people or for really

00:14:03 ◼   ► everyone including probably me it probably is sufficient for my needs for

00:14:07 ◼   ► the most part but but no these computers are really quite spectacular and I

00:14:12 ◼   ► sometimes forget how amazing they are I will say it the the speaker difference

00:14:16 ◼   ► between again as I mentioned last week between the MacBook Air and the 14-inch

00:14:20 ◼   ► MacBook Pro, it's a different league.

00:14:22 ◼   ► It's not even close.

00:14:25 ◼   ► You would think, oh, they made it one inch bigger,

00:14:27 ◼   ► the speaker's a little bit better.

00:14:28 ◼   ► No, totally different ballgame, not even close.

00:14:32 ◼   ► I love the MacBook Air, trust me,

00:14:34 ◼   ► I love, I still love the MacBook Air,

00:14:37 ◼   ► but the speakers are really god-awful

00:14:39 ◼   ► compared to the larger ones, so yeah,

00:14:41 ◼   ► it's no comparison, not even close.

00:14:45 ◼   ► - All right, moving along, I was reminded

00:14:47 ◼   ► via an anonymous contributor that you can set up

00:14:51 ◼   ► a catch-all email on a lot of services,

00:14:54 ◼   ► but including my beloved Fastmail,

00:14:56 ◼   ► www.caseless.com/fastmail.

00:14:59 ◼   ► But anyways, honestly, I forget what the context

00:15:02 ◼   ► for this was, but we were talking about something

00:15:04 ◼   ► last week that brought this on.

00:15:05 ◼   ► - You're setting up the single-use email addresses,

00:15:08 ◼   ► and you had to go to Fastmail and click and make one,

00:15:10 ◼   ► and then you go use it.

00:15:11 ◼   ► - Yes, thank you.

00:15:12 ◼   ► A couple things here.

00:15:13 ◼   ► First of all, you can set up a catch-all email,

00:15:14 ◼   ► which is a little bit weird the way they have you set it up,

00:15:16 ◼   ► but it works exactly right.

00:15:18 ◼   ► And so what I can do is I can sign up for,

00:15:20 ◼   ► I'm not making this up, but I can sign up for Instagram

00:15:22 ◼   ► and have the email address I give Instagram,

00:15:25 ◼   ► instagram@caseylist.com.

00:15:27 ◼   ► And then Fastmail, and again,

00:15:28 ◼   ► this isn't unique to Fastmail,

00:15:29 ◼   ► but Fastmail or whatever will forward that

00:15:32 ◼   ► to my actual email address.

00:15:33 ◼   ► And so this way I can tell where it came from.

00:15:37 ◼   ► Google and Gmail people would often do this

00:15:40 ◼   ► where you would do username plus service.

00:15:43 ◼   ► So it would be like johnplusinstagram@syracusa.com

00:15:48 ◼   ► or whatever the case may be.

00:15:49 ◼   ► And that also works on FastMiller,

00:15:51 ◼   ► I'm pretty darn sure it does.

00:15:52 ◼   ► But you can set up a catchall,

00:15:54 ◼   ► which makes this sort of thing pretty neat as well,

00:15:56 ◼   ► which is something worth considering.

00:15:58 ◼   ► Also, I went back and forth with a few people on Twitter

00:16:01 ◼   ► in a happy way, and I was reminded that in 1Password8,

00:16:06 ◼   ► which is the Electron 1, which has its whole,

00:16:11 ◼   ► You have some issues with that when you go that route.

00:16:14 ◼   ► But, and I had been on 1Password 7

00:16:17 ◼   ► because I had been waiting for the stick

00:16:19 ◼   ► to force me into 1Password 8.

00:16:21 ◼   ► But eventually they gave me a carrot in the last 24 hours

00:16:24 ◼   ► and they said, "Oh, by the way, in 1Password 8

00:16:26 ◼   ► "and only 1Password 8, you can do the whole fast mail,

00:16:31 ◼   ► "masked email," or whatever they call it,

00:16:33 ◼   ► the hidden email address thing,

00:16:35 ◼   ► one time use email address thing,

00:16:37 ◼   ► you can do that automatically within 1Password.

00:16:39 ◼   ► So what that means is you're signing up for a new service,

00:16:41 ◼   ► say Instagram, using the web on your computer,

00:16:45 ◼   ► and you can use 1Password to just automatically generate

00:16:50 ◼   ► a happy.farts@caseylist.com or whatever they come up with

00:16:55 ◼   ► in order to get a email that isn't going to be

00:16:59 ◼   ► something useful and that you can kill pretty easily.

00:17:01 ◼   ► And you can do that all through 1Password

00:17:04 ◼   ► with 1Password 8, which is worth considering

00:17:06 ◼   ► if you happen to be a Fast Mail user.

00:17:08 ◼   ► - That email wild carding thing really maximizes

00:17:10 ◼   ► your service area for spam though.

00:17:12 ◼   ► I mean, if they have any kind of auto thing

00:17:14 ◼   ► that's trying like well-known addresses at every domain

00:17:16 ◼   ► or whatever, you're gonna get all that spam

00:17:18 ◼   ► 'cause you can put any word in front of the ad sign

00:17:20 ◼   ► and it will all go to your one email address.

00:17:23 ◼   ► - I don't know if they still do this,

00:17:24 ◼   ► but Fast Mail in their control panel to enable

00:17:27 ◼   ► the catch all email address, they even used to warn you,

00:17:29 ◼   ► like warning, you will get a lot of spam.

00:17:31 ◼   ► And I actually used that mode for a number of years.

00:17:34 ◼   ► It turned, you know, I just kept getting more and more spam.

00:17:36 ◼   ► I'm like, you know what, this is stupid.

00:17:37 ◼   ► And so what I did was I searched my inbox

00:17:40 ◼   ► or sorted it somehow, I forget how I did this,

00:17:41 ◼   ► to basically find the only aliases

00:17:43 ◼   ► I ever actually used for anything,

00:17:45 ◼   ► turned off the catch-all alias,

00:17:47 ◼   ► and just made that list of all the aliases

00:17:50 ◼   ► that I actually needed,

00:17:51 ◼   ► and just stopped using new ones anywhere.

00:17:54 ◼   ► And it was a much better situation, spam-wise.

00:17:57 ◼   ► Also, can I just say, from somebody who deals with customers

00:18:01 ◼   ► and their email logins, for both my app

00:18:05 ◼   ► that I'm trying so hard to not have anybody use emails,

00:18:08 ◼   ► but some people still insist.

00:18:10 ◼   ► And from our wonderful members who we love,

00:18:12 ◼   ► atp.fm/join, nerds who think they're being clever

00:18:15 ◼   ► and they use these custom aliases

00:18:18 ◼   ► and so it'll have like overcast@mydomain.whatever,

00:18:22 ◼   ► or atp membership@mydomain.whatever, you always forget.

00:18:27 ◼   ► And then you write in and then we have to find your account.

00:18:30 ◼   ► It's too clever for your own good most of the time,

00:18:32 ◼   ► So it's something that like, it causes headaches

00:18:35 ◼   ► for everybody, for you, and for the services you use.

00:18:39 ◼   ► And the reality is like, yeah, you know what, great,

00:18:42 ◼   ► you're gonna know if somebody sells your email address.

00:18:44 ◼   ► Great, everyone sells your email address all the time,

00:18:47 ◼   ► it's already out there, who cares?

00:18:48 ◼   ► The gain that you're getting with that,

00:18:50 ◼   ► that you think you're getting with that,

00:18:52 ◼   ► I don't think is worth all of the downsides.

00:18:54 ◼   ► - That's an interesting point for sure.

00:18:57 ◼   ► So last week was one of those weeks

00:18:59 ◼   ► where I thought we were really clear

00:19:02 ◼   ► on the things we were talking about and asking about.

00:19:06 ◼   ► And apparently either nobody heard us

00:19:08 ◼   ► or we didn't clarify quickly enough

00:19:10 ◼   ► because we got a mountain of feedback

00:19:12 ◼   ► where everyone was explaining to us,

00:19:14 ◼   ► "Oh, did you know you can turn off the notifications

00:19:17 ◼   ► for devices and air tags and things

00:19:19 ◼   ► when you leave them behind?"

00:19:20 ◼   ► And I thought that Jon especially,

00:19:22 ◼   ► and I thought I was too, but particularly Jon,

00:19:24 ◼   ► I thought it was very clear that, yes,

00:19:26 ◼   ► we're aware that that is a thing that can happen,

00:19:28 ◼   ► but we don't want to permanently turn it off

00:19:30 ◼   ► for like a vacation home or a hotel room

00:19:32 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:19:33 ◼   ► We just want to maybe turn it off for a few days.

00:19:35 ◼   ► And that was the real complaint we had.

00:19:37 ◼   ► But half of the internet wrote in to tell us,

00:19:40 ◼   ► no, this is what you need to do.

00:19:41 ◼   ► But for the record, John,

00:19:43 ◼   ► if you did want to do that slightly dangerous thing

00:19:46 ◼   ► of turning off the notifications

00:19:48 ◼   ► for a particular location forever,

00:19:50 ◼   ► how do you go about doing that?

00:19:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, Steve Stutz gave concise instructions

00:19:54 ◼   ► if you want to know how to do it.

00:19:54 ◼   ► So you open the Find My App,

00:19:56 ◼   ► you tap on Devices, which is down at the bottom,

00:19:58 ◼   ► and then you tap on the device you want to deal with,

00:20:00 ◼   ► and then you scroll down under the heading Notifications,

00:20:03 ◼   ► tap the Notify when left behind section,

00:20:06 ◼   ► and what you'll probably see in that section

00:20:07 ◼   ► for any of your devices, it says Notify when left behind,

00:20:10 ◼   ► and it will say that it's on, probably,

00:20:12 ◼   ► and it will say Accept at one location,

00:20:14 ◼   ► and you'll be like, wait a second,

00:20:15 ◼   ► did I already use this feature?

00:20:16 ◼   ► What is the one location that it's supposed

00:20:18 ◼   ► to not notify me?

00:20:19 ◼   ► So it's like, notify left behind, accept at this one place.

00:20:21 ◼   ► What is that one place, Casey?

00:20:23 ◼   ► - Home.

00:20:24 ◼   ► - That's right, your home is already there.

00:20:26 ◼   ► So it's, you know, the home is explicitly put there.

00:20:29 ◼   ► So you can add a second location

00:20:31 ◼   ► or a third or a fourth or a fifth,

00:20:32 ◼   ► but your home, if you have your home kit stuff set up,

00:20:34 ◼   ► is already there.

00:20:35 ◼   ► That's why every time you leave your house,

00:20:36 ◼   ► you don't get notified that you left all your stuff behind.

00:20:39 ◼   ► - Indeed, and then Paul Squires writes,

00:20:41 ◼   ► "On the find my alerts from a hotel,

00:20:43 ◼   ► in general, I want to keep those on.

00:20:45 ◼   ► I may be going to dinner,

00:20:46 ◼   ► but I could also be going to an office,

00:20:47 ◼   ► so I want those devices with me.

00:20:49 ◼   ► Also, I definitely want them on for checkout day.

00:20:51 ◼   ► This is an extremely succinct summary

00:20:53 ◼   ► what Jon and I were trying to say.

00:20:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's the tricky part about this feature

00:20:58 ◼   ► because like, oh, I don't want it to keep bothering me

00:21:00 ◼   ► unless I'm going to the office and I do want them.

00:21:01 ◼   ► And oh, and by the way, when I check out, I want it too.

00:21:03 ◼   ► So it's not easy to pull this off.

00:21:06 ◼   ► It's not as simple as we were saying in the show,

00:21:07 ◼   ► like, oh, just I'm gonna be here for a week

00:21:08 ◼   ► and just turn them off until a week later, right?

00:21:11 ◼   ► Because if you are somewhere for work,

00:21:13 ◼   ► you want it on every day that you're going to the office,

00:21:15 ◼   ► but not on the days that you're not,

00:21:17 ◼   ► but you definitely want it on for checkout days

00:21:18 ◼   ► so you know if you left stuff behind.

00:21:20 ◼   ► Hard problem to solve.

00:21:21 ◼   ► - And then with regard to HomeKit automation

00:21:23 ◼   ► in locations. So the context here is my Apple TV at the beach house deciding that that was

00:21:28 ◼   ► my permanent home, which was a little wonky. So we had a few different pieces of feedback

00:21:32 ◼   ► about this, but in particular, Derek Martin writes, "I recently had my HomeKit home self-identify

00:21:36 ◼   ► as two properties at once, the new house we just bought and are in the process of moving

00:21:40 ◼   ► into and the old house that we've had for a while and are in the process of leaving.

00:21:45 ◼   ► Whenever I arrived at or left either location, HomeKit would offer to run my location-based

00:21:49 ◼   ► automations. You get one guess as to how I fix this. Yes, that's right, I had to go into

00:21:53 ◼   ► my contact and rename the old house to something other than home, leaving just the new house

00:21:58 ◼   ► named home, and then all of my automations worked properly again. Is there anything to

00:22:01 ◼   ► indicate this in the UI? No. Did I figure it out by pure fluke on my first try? Yes.

00:22:08 ◼   ► So Derek got very lucky there. Additionally, Jim Broun writes, "If you take your Apple

00:22:12 ◼   ► TV outside your home and don't want the offsite device to become the default hub," and this

00:22:16 ◼   ► is exactly what I did when I got home, I just didn't know to do this in advance. Anyway,

00:22:20 ◼   ► Jim writes, "Go to Settings > Airplane Home Kit and under the My Home settings switch

00:22:24 ◼   ► from Connected to Disabled. Then the hub will transfer to another device at your

00:22:28 ◼   ► home." And like I said, this is what I did to kind of fix everything once I was

00:22:32 ◼   ► back home, but it wasn't until I was already dead, the damage had already been

00:22:36 ◼   ► done that I had thought to do this. Also, with regard to the Apple TV, Tor Blund

00:22:42 ◼   ► Miranda writes, "We've tried many different Apple TV photo apps, Flickr,

00:22:46 ◼   ► Plex and some others. Apple Photos is far and away the one that's the best for

00:22:50 ◼   ► looking at photos on Apple TV. It loads photos fast and as long as it's your own

00:22:54 ◼   ► library they load in high quality, completely sharp over 4k, not

00:22:57 ◼   ► over compressed, etc. I don't know a single other photos app for Apple TV

00:23:01 ◼   ► that does this well. It's not being able to handle John's photo library

00:23:05 ◼   ► notwithstanding, but let's be real it's John with his enormous photo library

00:23:08 ◼   ► that has the weird way of dealing with photos, not Casey. Boom! Got him! Anyway, I

00:23:12 ◼   ► I'd love to know if there are any others

00:23:15 ◼   ► that are good enough.

00:23:16 ◼   ► For the record, I did not put this in the show notes,

00:23:18 ◼   ► but I was very happy when I read this email.

00:23:19 ◼   ► - I understand what I'm doing is weird.

00:23:21 ◼   ► I'm using Apple's solution in the boring way

00:23:23 ◼   ► that Apple says, take pictures, put them in your photo.

00:23:26 ◼   ► It's not, it's nothing weird about it.

00:23:28 ◼   ► - Honestly, I think I actually agree with you,

00:23:30 ◼   ► but I was so happy to see somebody defend me,

00:23:32 ◼   ► so I'll take the victory nonetheless.

00:23:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, so when I saw this, I'm like, okay,

00:23:36 ◼   ► well, I complained about the Apple TV photos thing

00:23:38 ◼   ► every few years.

00:23:39 ◼   ► I should look at it again to see how it's doing.

00:23:41 ◼   ► So I loaded it up on my Apple TV

00:23:43 ◼   ► and ran into a couple issues.

00:23:46 ◼   ► Since the last time I did it, I think

00:23:48 ◼   ► they changed the way user accounts work on Apple TV.

00:23:54 ◼   ► I think it used to be that there was no accounts,

00:23:56 ◼   ► and you just put which Apple ID do you

00:23:58 ◼   ► want to get your photos from, and you sign into whatever.

00:23:59 ◼   ► But now there are accounts.

00:24:01 ◼   ► And the main user account is mine,

00:24:02 ◼   ► and that has all the home screen sync stuff,

00:24:04 ◼   ► and everything is set up like that.

00:24:06 ◼   ► And I said, OK, I'll just add a user account for my wife.

00:24:08 ◼   ► Why?

00:24:09 ◼   ► 'cause we're still not over the hump of iOS 16

00:24:12 ◼   ► and Ventura and everything,

00:24:13 ◼   ► and so there's no shared family photo library,

00:24:16 ◼   ► so I have to use her Apple ID

00:24:18 ◼   ► because she's got the family photo library.

00:24:20 ◼   ► So I made an account for her,

00:24:22 ◼   ► we created an account with her Apple ID,

00:24:23 ◼   ► it's signed in or whatever,

00:24:25 ◼   ► but it seems like the Photos app only shows the photos

00:24:29 ◼   ► for the default user, which is me, and not her.

00:24:33 ◼   ► If you go into her settings,

00:24:34 ◼   ► it shows a bunch of stuff about purchases

00:24:36 ◼   ► and so on and so forth,

00:24:36 ◼   ► but it doesn't have a section for iCloud Photo Library,

00:24:38 ◼   ► so I couldn't even see her iCoFoto library

00:24:40 ◼   ► unless I was willing to, I guess, maybe delete my account

00:24:42 ◼   ► or make her the default user or something like that.

00:24:44 ◼   ► And I wasn't willing to do that

00:24:45 ◼   ► for the purpose of this test.

00:24:48 ◼   ► So instead, I used my Apple ID

00:24:50 ◼   ► and my comparatively dinky photo library,

00:24:52 ◼   ► which consists only of photos I've taken on my phone.

00:24:55 ◼   ► So it's not the 150,000 photo family library,

00:24:58 ◼   ► it's just my phone photos,

00:24:59 ◼   ► which is way smaller than that.

00:25:01 ◼   ► And sure enough, most of them are thumbnails

00:25:03 ◼   ► and they take forever to load.

00:25:04 ◼   ► And if you were trying to use it to actually show something,

00:25:06 ◼   ► you'd just be staring at, you know,

00:25:07 ◼   ► squares with question marks in them for just minutes

00:25:09 ◼   ► and minutes while everyone uncomfortably shifted

00:25:11 ◼   ► on the couch saying, so are we gonna see some pictures?

00:25:13 ◼   ► And the answer is, no, you're probably not.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Like one or two thumbnails will load and maybe you can wait,

00:25:17 ◼   ► but it just doesn't do what you want it to do,

00:25:19 ◼   ► which is you want everyone to sit down

00:25:21 ◼   ► and you wanna click things on the remote

00:25:22 ◼   ► and say, oh look, pictures.

00:25:24 ◼   ► And then you look at them and smile and go to the next one.

00:25:26 ◼   ► Nope, I don't know what the problem is.

00:25:27 ◼   ► I don't know why it has a hard time loading them.

00:25:29 ◼   ► I have a super fast internet connection.

00:25:30 ◼   ► It's on the same network via ethernet

00:25:33 ◼   ► of all the other devices that have these photos on them.

00:25:35 ◼   ► It just doesn't do the job.

00:25:37 ◼   ► And like I said, it's not because it was 150,000 photos,

00:25:39 ◼   ► it was a fraction of that.

00:25:41 ◼   ► So I don't know what the deal is, but still no good.

00:25:44 ◼   ► - I'm sorry.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know of any particular answers for this,

00:25:47 ◼   ► I'm sorry to say, but if somebody has a good suggestion,

00:25:50 ◼   ► then please let us know.

00:25:52 ◼   ► - 29,000 photos, just if you want concrete numbers,

00:25:55 ◼   ► that's how many I've got on my phone.

00:25:56 ◼   ► (John laughs)

00:25:58 ◼   ► - Contact's address ordering, tell me about this, John.

00:26:00 ◼   ► - We're still talking about this?

00:26:02 ◼   ► - I know, seriously.

00:26:03 ◼   ► - This is hilarious, right?

00:26:04 ◼   ► So what was it?

00:26:06 ◼   ► The previous show we were talking about

00:26:07 ◼   ► how the existence of a particular application,

00:26:10 ◼   ► so is it an indictment of Apple

00:26:12 ◼   ► because it's the type of thing that shouldn't be necessary.

00:26:14 ◼   ► Oh, I think it was the sleep aid thing,

00:26:15 ◼   ► the thing that keeps track of what's waking

00:26:17 ◼   ► and making your Mac sleep.

00:26:18 ◼   ► And it's like the fact that that Mac app has to exist

00:26:20 ◼   ► shows that there are difficult to solve problems

00:26:23 ◼   ► having to do with sleeping and waking in macOS

00:26:25 ◼   ► that necessitate a third-party application.

00:26:28 ◼   ► It makes a third-party opportunity

00:26:30 ◼   ► to address the shortcomings in Apple's OS.

00:26:32 ◼   ► Well, we also talked about contacts

00:26:34 ◼   ► and how people can have multiple phone numbers

00:26:36 ◼   ► and multiple email addresses,

00:26:37 ◼   ► and there's an order to them in contacts,

00:26:42 ◼   ► but it's difficult to discern

00:26:43 ◼   ► whether that order has any meaning,

00:26:45 ◼   ► and if you want it to have meaning,

00:26:46 ◼   ► you can do what I did and reorder them

00:26:48 ◼   ► by deleting them all and adding them back

00:26:50 ◼   ► in the order that you want them to appear in.

00:26:52 ◼   ► Well, apparently there is a dedicated application

00:26:54 ◼   ► called Reorder It!

00:26:56 ◼   ► just like Yahoo!

00:26:57 ◼   ► on the App Store, and the only thing this app does

00:27:02 ◼   ► is lets you reorder contacts personally

00:27:04 ◼   ► by deleting them and re-adding them

00:27:05 ◼   ► in the order that you want.

00:27:06 ◼   ► That boggles my mind.

00:27:07 ◼   ► 'Cause it shows that some people are just annoyed

00:27:09 ◼   ► by the fact that they can't reorder them

00:27:10 ◼   ► in the contacts app.

00:27:11 ◼   ► And it's actually, if someone has four email addresses,

00:27:14 ◼   ► deleting them all and re-adding them all is tedious.

00:27:16 ◼   ► So try reorder it, I guess.

00:27:19 ◼   ► - Yay. - Exclamation point,

00:27:22 ◼   ► reorder it.

00:27:24 ◼   ► - Tell me about the default addresses

00:27:26 ◼   ► in messages, please, Jon.

00:27:27 ◼   ► - Rob Woodring gets the brass ring

00:27:30 ◼   ► by giving me the actual solution to my problem.

00:27:32 ◼   ► So remember this all started with me

00:27:33 ◼   ► talking about multiple addresses and everything.

00:27:35 ◼   ► It's like every time I try to share something

00:27:36 ◼   ► via messages with my son,

00:27:38 ◼   ► if he's not one of the little recently

00:27:40 ◼   ► sent message bubble things

00:27:42 ◼   ► and I have to hit the actual messages app icon

00:27:44 ◼   ► and then I have to type his name, A-L,

00:27:46 ◼   ► and let the auto-complete fill it out,

00:27:48 ◼   ► it would always auto-complete to his contact,

00:27:50 ◼   ► but underneath his contact,

00:27:51 ◼   ► he would have his phone number,

00:27:52 ◼   ► and I wanted it to send to his Apple ID

00:27:55 ◼   ► and not his phone number for reasons

00:27:56 ◼   ► we discussed on past shows.

00:27:58 ◼   ► I couldn't figure out how to make that happen,

00:27:59 ◼   ► People had a lot of different ideas.

00:28:01 ◼   ► Last week, the one that I heard from a lot of people

00:28:03 ◼   ► was just delete the whole message thread and restart it

00:28:05 ◼   ► because whatever you use to start that message thread

00:28:08 ◼   ► with the person, forever, when you auto-complete

00:28:11 ◼   ► in Messages, it will auto-complete to that

00:28:13 ◼   ► because it's basically saying, hey, do you want to put this

00:28:15 ◼   ► in the existing conversation I have?

00:28:16 ◼   ► And the existing conversation that I have in Messages

00:28:19 ◼   ► was started seven years ago to a phone number,

00:28:23 ◼   ► not to an Apple ID.

00:28:24 ◼   ► Well, here's the actual solution.

00:28:26 ◼   ► Rob says, you can change what you are messaging

00:28:29 ◼   ► without losing your previous message history.

00:28:30 ◼   ► Go to an existing message thread,

00:28:32 ◼   ► tap the name of the person at the top,

00:28:34 ◼   ► then tap info, then tap and hold the messages bubble icon

00:28:37 ◼   ► and select an alternate email or phone number.

00:28:40 ◼   ► This has worked for me to switch between phone number

00:28:41 ◼   ► and email and back to a different phone number later

00:28:43 ◼   ► when my dad switched to an Android phone.

00:28:45 ◼   ► The message thread was preserved, pictures and all.

00:28:47 ◼   ► I tried this and it worked.

00:28:49 ◼   ► This is the solution.

00:28:50 ◼   ► And it's very close to the thing we talked about before

00:28:52 ◼   ► where you go to the contact and hold like long press

00:28:54 ◼   ► on the little message bubble and pick,

00:28:56 ◼   ► but that doesn't do it.

00:28:57 ◼   ► That doesn't change the thread.

00:28:58 ◼   ► You have to go to the messages thread,

00:29:00 ◼   ► then do the thing at the top and long press or whatever.

00:29:03 ◼   ► And from now on, whenever I type my son's name,

00:29:05 ◼   ► it auto-completes and shows the Apple ID.

00:29:07 ◼   ► And I was glad I didn't delete the message thread before,

00:29:09 ◼   ► because now I have all my messages preserved

00:29:11 ◼   ► and now I know how to fix this.

00:29:12 ◼   ► So it only took, but a month of talking about it

00:29:15 ◼   ► on a podcast with dozens of people sending solutions,

00:29:17 ◼   ► including people at Apple,

00:29:18 ◼   ► Rob Woodring found the real solution.

00:29:21 ◼   ► - Wait, I'm sorry.

00:29:21 ◼   ► Can you walk me through this?

00:29:23 ◼   ► 'Cause I don't think I see where this is, so.

00:29:25 ◼   ► - Find a message thread with somebody in messages

00:29:27 ◼   ► that you want to change this for.

00:29:28 ◼   ► - Right, okay, so I'm just choosing my dad arbitrarily

00:29:30 ◼   ► 'cause we exchanged text like right before the show.

00:29:33 ◼   ► So I tapped him and I see--

00:29:35 ◼   ► - Tap his name at the top, tap the info thing on the right.

00:29:37 ◼   ► - Oh, that was the piece I missed, I'm sorry.

00:29:39 ◼   ► Okay, so you have to tap the info thing, okay.

00:29:42 ◼   ► - And then long press on message,

00:29:44 ◼   ► and now you see the list and then pick whichever one.

00:29:47 ◼   ► - I got, okay, it was the info piece that I missed.

00:29:49 ◼   ► I'm sorry, I'm with you now.

00:29:50 ◼   ► Oh, that is a very good tip.

00:29:52 ◼   ► I knew that there was some mechanism by which to do this,

00:29:55 ◼   ► But I certainly did not know the exact incantation.

00:29:59 ◼   ► So like you said, Rob Woodring gets the gold star for today.

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00:32:07 ◼   ► We had a little bit of feedback with regard to unlocking automotive features. A couple

00:32:12 ◼   ► of things that I was not familiar with or aware of. BlameToups wrote in, "It's not exactly

00:32:16 ◼   ► what John meant when he said it's not like they're going to put a V8 when you buy a V6,

00:32:21 ◼   ► but my Jaguar F-Type is pretty close. The V6 uses the same engine block as the V8, just

00:32:25 ◼   ► with the last two cylinders closed off. This allows for the same mounting points and supercharger

00:32:29 ◼   ► to be used for both engines, at the cost of hauling around an extra 50 pounds of unused

00:32:33 ◼   ► weight with the V6. The extra material cost of the unused bit of the V8 block is offset

00:32:37 ◼   ► by only having to engineer and produce one version of the rest of the engine bay. I find

00:32:41 ◼   ► this utterly fascinating. This is like a cheaper version of what was it Aston Martin or not

00:32:47 ◼   ► exceeded on us Martin Alfa Romeo took the Ferrari motor and like lopped off two cylinders

00:32:51 ◼   ► and called it a day but they full-on cut them off in this case it would be like oh we just

00:32:56 ◼   ► aren't going to include a couple aren't going to use a couple of them which is fascinating

00:33:01 ◼   ► it's like cylinder binning it's like the way Jeep are disabled on the on the m2 it's a

00:33:06 ◼   ► very Jaguar move though because it always for the past I don't know several decades

00:33:10 ◼   ► it's always seemed like Jaguar is just kind of like,

00:33:13 ◼   ► even though they're supposed to be a luxury brand,

00:33:15 ◼   ► they just always kind of got like not great technology,

00:33:19 ◼   ► a lot of hand-me-downs, maybe some Ford parts bin stuff

00:33:22 ◼   ► back in the day, like you don't deserve that.

00:33:25 ◼   ► The things they do with these supposed expensive cars

00:33:27 ◼   ► to save weight and you're gonna leave two unused cylinders

00:33:31 ◼   ► in the block, only an extra 50 pounds, that's not good.

00:33:36 ◼   ► You don't want this.

00:33:37 ◼   ► I wouldn't talk about this and say,

00:33:39 ◼   ► "Oh yeah, sure it's great."

00:33:40 ◼   ► 'Cause, ugh, no.

00:33:41 ◼   ► It's all the weight of a V8, but the power of a V6.

00:33:44 ◼   ► No thanks. (laughs)

00:33:48 ◼   ► - Oh man, it's so fascinating to me

00:33:50 ◼   ► that this is a thing, though.

00:33:51 ◼   ► I just thought that was really cool.

00:33:52 ◼   ► And then Josh Rappaport writes,

00:33:55 ◼   ► "Tesla offers something called acceleration boost

00:33:57 ◼   ► "on the Model 3 and Y long range.

00:33:59 ◼   ► "On the 3, it also unlocks a track mode,

00:34:01 ◼   ► "and supposedly that functionality

00:34:02 ◼   ► "is coming to the Y as well.

00:34:04 ◼   ► "It's a $2,000 US in-app purchase."

00:34:07 ◼   ► I'm not sure it's really an in-app purchase

00:34:08 ◼   ► if it's in your car, but so be it, I get your point.

00:34:10 ◼   ► - Do they pay Apple 30%?

00:34:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:34:13 ◼   ► - That decreases the zero to 60 time by about half a second.

00:34:16 ◼   ► Looks like these IAPs are unlocked on the car

00:34:19 ◼   ► for feature owners as well.

00:34:20 ◼   ► Also rumor has it that at their introduction,

00:34:22 ◼   ► the long range and performance variants of the cars

00:34:24 ◼   ► had the same motor and drivetrain,

00:34:26 ◼   ► though it seems like they may have moved

00:34:28 ◼   ► to more of a binning or slightly differentiated

00:34:30 ◼   ► set of components in the more recent times.

00:34:32 ◼   ► - Tesla's always sold various things

00:34:34 ◼   ► that basically you're paying to abuse the internals

00:34:37 ◼   ► of your car more, like the acceleration motor or whatever.

00:34:41 ◼   ► Like they lock it out as a premium feature,

00:34:42 ◼   ► but those type of things like,

00:34:44 ◼   ► oh, get that extra half second,

00:34:45 ◼   ► is stressing the internals and the circuitry

00:34:49 ◼   ► and the battery of your car a little bit more

00:34:51 ◼   ► to get that extra power.

00:34:52 ◼   ► And for that privilege, you pay them $2,000.

00:34:54 ◼   ► It's like, maybe just don't worry

00:34:56 ◼   ► about the extra half second.

00:34:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, and then finally, Sean Harding writes,

00:35:00 ◼   ► "On the BMW subscriptions, what happens in seven years

00:35:02 ◼   ► "when the API gets deprecated

00:35:03 ◼   ► "and your car can't verify the subscription status anymore?

00:35:07 ◼   ► "My Audi long ago stopped getting software updates,

00:35:09 ◼   ► "but the heated seats still work perfectly."

00:35:13 ◼   ► Well put, Sean, well put.

00:35:14 ◼   ► - That is a very good question, 'cause like, you know,

00:35:16 ◼   ► I was just mentioning a few minutes ago

00:35:18 ◼   ► how all those old iPad games

00:35:21 ◼   ► from that first generation of iPad stuff,

00:35:23 ◼   ► through various digital unfortunate-ness,

00:35:27 ◼   ► you really can't play those anymore.

00:35:28 ◼   ► Like, unless you happen to have an old iPad

00:35:30 ◼   ► that happens to have them already installed on it,

00:35:33 ◼   ► there's really no way for you to get those.

00:35:34 ◼   ► I ran into this problem a couple years ago,

00:35:38 ◼   ► last year, whenever it was, I booted up my old iPhone.

00:35:41 ◼   ► And I believe I talked about it on the show,

00:35:43 ◼   ► like my very first gen iPhone.

00:35:44 ◼   ► I just tried to figure out like, okay,

00:35:46 ◼   ► what can I do with this?

00:35:47 ◼   ► What can it still do?

00:35:49 ◼   ► And of course, as you can imagine,

00:35:50 ◼   ► you know, the original iPhone can't run any recent software.

00:35:53 ◼   ► I think the latest it can run was like iOS 3.1, I think.

00:35:57 ◼   ► But at any rate, it couldn't do anything really

00:36:00 ◼   ► because all of the SSL certificates on everything

00:36:03 ◼   ► that it was capable of using had expired

00:36:06 ◼   ► or had been upgraded to higher levels of encryption

00:36:09 ◼   ► that it can't support.

00:36:10 ◼   ► And so now that we're in this era of everything is encrypted,

00:36:14 ◼   ► everything is secure, everything is signed,

00:36:17 ◼   ► old software on old platforms almost can't run.

00:36:22 ◼   ► Like there's very few cases in which old enough software

00:36:24 ◼   ► actually runs because something expires somewhere

00:36:28 ◼   ► along the way and we are so connected with services

00:36:31 ◼   ► in the modern world that if your old hardware

00:36:34 ◼   ► can't connect to a web service anymore,

00:36:35 ◼   ► a lot of times it doesn't work or can't work.

00:36:37 ◼   ► And that's something worth thinking about

00:36:39 ◼   ► with something that has as long of a lifespan as a car.

00:36:42 ◼   ► For some of these BMWs,

00:36:45 ◼   ► unless you have Casey's luck with BMWs,

00:36:47 ◼   ► they're probably gonna last at least 10 years

00:36:49 ◼   ► of active service on the road.

00:36:51 ◼   ► And how many times does a 10-year-old computer

00:36:55 ◼   ► actually have good luck accessing its services?

00:37:01 ◼   ► I think it's going to be a problem that we're

00:37:03 ◼   ► going to have to deal with.

00:37:04 ◼   ► I wonder if they actually are doing online verification

00:37:07 ◼   ► or are just flipping a switch internally,

00:37:08 ◼   ► like this is the type of thing where

00:37:09 ◼   ► if they try to prevent people from hacking it and do

00:37:13 ◼   ► all these things, that's when you do, oh,

00:37:14 ◼   ► we have to have online checks and we have to have all this.

00:37:16 ◼   ► And that'll sort of mess you up.

00:37:17 ◼   ► But if they're smarter about it, let us be like,

00:37:19 ◼   ► ah, it's a software lockout.

00:37:21 ◼   ► And when we unlock it, it unlocks locally.

00:37:23 ◼   ► And we never recheck online to see if you have it unlocked

00:37:26 ◼   ► and we just take the hit or whatever.

00:37:27 ◼   ► I mean, this is another situation,

00:37:29 ◼   ► like any software where it really depends on the company

00:37:33 ◼   ► that you're buying from.

00:37:34 ◼   ► To give an example, when a good software company

00:37:37 ◼   ► stops developing an application, what they normally do

00:37:40 ◼   ► is say, we're not gonna make this app anymore.

00:37:42 ◼   ► It doesn't make us any money, its time has passed

00:37:44 ◼   ► or whatever, but on our way out the door, here it is.

00:37:48 ◼   ► If anyone wants it, here's a version where you don't

00:37:51 ◼   ► have to register, it's free, you know, you can have,

00:37:53 ◼   ► it's, you know, we're not gonna sell it anymore.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Anyone who paid for it in the past six months

00:37:56 ◼   ► will give you a refund and forevermore,

00:37:59 ◼   ► It's unsupported, but you can download it from our website.

00:38:02 ◼   ► And so the car version of that would be,

00:38:05 ◼   ► we're deprecating the API that we used to do online checks

00:38:07 ◼   ► for the heated seats, but it's unlocked for everybody now.

00:38:10 ◼   ► Like we send one last thing out that said,

00:38:11 ◼   ► "Hey, all you cars out there that are checking

00:38:14 ◼   ► "this API endpoint for heated seats."

00:38:16 ◼   ► We built the system such that when we shut this endpoint

00:38:19 ◼   ► down, the way they'll fail is saying,

00:38:22 ◼   ► we'll send them one last message that said,

00:38:23 ◼   ► "It's unlocked for everybody,

00:38:24 ◼   ► "and don't bother checking again."

00:38:26 ◼   ► That would be the good thing to do,

00:38:27 ◼   ► that a good car company would do.

00:38:29 ◼   ► The example I had in mind with a good software company

00:38:31 ◼   ► was Panic, and the example I had with a good car company

00:38:33 ◼   ► in mind was Nobody, 'cause they're all bad.

00:38:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:36 ◼   ► - I mean, really, the correct good thing to do would be,

00:38:39 ◼   ► hey, this feature that's so cheap that you can actually

00:38:42 ◼   ► ship it for everyone and just selectively disable it

00:38:45 ◼   ► in software, how about just make that a stock feature

00:38:48 ◼   ► of the car, because these aren't cheap cars.

00:38:51 ◼   ► It's like, this is already a premium car.

00:38:53 ◼   ► You know what, maybe make this just a stock feature,

00:38:56 ◼   ► if it's that cheap for you.

00:38:57 ◼   ► - You know, the Unity CEO would say,

00:38:59 ◼   ► "You're an effing idiot."

00:39:00 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:39:01 ◼   ► You're not thinking about monetization

00:39:03 ◼   ► when you're making these seats.

00:39:04 ◼   ► - 'Cause there's no way to monetize a car

00:39:06 ◼   ► besides in-app purchases and subscriptions, right?

00:39:08 ◼   ► - No, there's no service model for cars.

00:39:10 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:39:12 ◼   ► Car services?

00:39:13 ◼   ► Unheard of.

00:39:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

00:39:15 ◼   ► - Have we talked about this?

00:39:16 ◼   ► Maybe, we might have talked about this

00:39:17 ◼   ► and I don't remember,

00:39:18 ◼   ► but if Apple is obsessed with services

00:39:21 ◼   ► and Apple is making a car, if that's true,

00:39:24 ◼   ► what are the services for the Apple car?

00:39:26 ◼   ► Like what is that going to look like?

00:39:28 ◼   ► - All those wear items, same as everybody.

00:39:30 ◼   ► - No, I mean like the in-app purchase sort of things,

00:39:32 ◼   ► or like the subscription sort of thing.

00:39:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, can you imagine Apple using someone else's tires

00:39:35 ◼   ► and brake pads, no way, it's gonna be all custom stuff.

00:39:39 ◼   ► - No, that's not how the controversy works,

00:39:40 ◼   ► and that's why Apple hasn't made a car yet maybe.

00:39:43 ◼   ► - Can you imagine, just think about stuff like that,

00:39:46 ◼   ► all the parts on a car that have someone else's brand name

00:39:49 ◼   ► on them, Apple would not stand for any of that.

00:39:51 ◼   ► Like you know, they're not gonna have tires

00:39:54 ◼   ► that say Goodyear on the side.

00:39:55 ◼   ► they're gonna, whoever makes their tires for them,

00:39:58 ◼   ► they're gonna make them give them brandless tires.

00:40:01 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:40:01 ◼   ► - I don't know, again, I don't think that's,

00:40:03 ◼   ► I don't think it's really possible to make a car that way

00:40:05 ◼   ► unless you're willing to sink way more of Apple's money

00:40:07 ◼   ► than they thus far have been willing to sink to this

00:40:09 ◼   ► and spend even more time.

00:40:10 ◼   ► Although that's a funny thing. - Oh, they will.

00:40:11 ◼   ► - Like on, you know, more car rebuilding channel things.

00:40:13 ◼   ► Sorry, so you've got OEM parts,

00:40:15 ◼   ► sorry, I'm watching all about rebuilding BMWs,

00:40:17 ◼   ► and you have whatever company that actually made

00:40:19 ◼   ► this plastic doohickey, you know,

00:40:22 ◼   ► BMW doesn't make it, right?

00:40:24 ◼   ► And if you buy it from the BMW dealer,

00:40:26 ◼   ► of course it costs 10 times as much or whatever,

00:40:28 ◼   ► but you can get that same part from the manufacturer

00:40:31 ◼   ► that makes it for BMW.

00:40:32 ◼   ► But when you buy it from the manufacturer,

00:40:35 ◼   ► the part that they make has BMW stamped on it, right?

00:40:39 ◼   ► BMW didn't make it, this other company made it,

00:40:41 ◼   ► but it's got BMW.

00:40:42 ◼   ► But when you buy it from the manufacturer,

00:40:43 ◼   ► they have to file off the BMW.

00:40:46 ◼   ► So they make it with BMW stamped on it,

00:40:48 ◼   ► but they're not allowed to sell it with BMW stamped on it.

00:40:50 ◼   ► So they literally take a finished part

00:40:53 ◼   ► and modify it by scrubbing or filing or melting off

00:40:56 ◼   ► the BMW logo and you get the two parts.

00:40:58 ◼   ► Here's genuine, here's the copy.

00:41:00 ◼   ► And you know, as opposed to adding it afterwards.

00:41:02 ◼   ► So yeah, the car industry is weird.

00:41:03 ◼   ► And I really don't think Apple's gonna have tires

00:41:05 ◼   ► that have Apples on the side,

00:41:07 ◼   ► and don't say Goodyear or Michelin.

00:41:09 ◼   ► But you know, I mean Apple hasn't made a car yet,

00:41:11 ◼   ► so we'll see, but it's just,

00:41:12 ◼   ► that's just not the way the car industry works.

00:41:14 ◼   ► And if you're gonna say,

00:41:15 ◼   ► we're gonna do everything ourself.

00:41:15 ◼   ► And like, look inside Apple's laptops.

00:41:17 ◼   ► The chips say like, you know,

00:41:18 ◼   ► the memory chips say Micron and stuff.

00:41:20 ◼   ► Like they don't say Apple on all of them.

00:41:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, but the customer doesn't see those.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Like, you see the tires on your car,

00:41:26 ◼   ► and you see if they have a brand name on them.

00:41:28 ◼   ► There is no way, mark my words,

00:41:31 ◼   ► people can quote this later,

00:41:33 ◼   ► in 10 years when Apple actually ships the car,

00:41:35 ◼   ► there is no way Apple's gonna launch a car

00:41:38 ◼   ► where the tires have someone else's name

00:41:40 ◼   ► printed on the outside.

00:41:42 ◼   ► - Apple's gonna have to be able to tire manufacturer,

00:41:44 ◼   ► 'cause I'm not sure any tire manufacturer's

00:41:46 ◼   ► not gonna have their name on that tire.

00:41:47 ◼   ► - No, they would just, I'm sure they would make a deal,

00:41:49 ◼   ► they would custom, you know, order it from whoever would,

00:41:51 ◼   ► whoever would say yes first, and it would take them a while.

00:41:54 ◼   ► But I mean, honestly, maybe this is why.

00:41:55 ◼   ► - $2 million hypercars have Michelin, you know.

00:41:59 ◼   ► - 'Cause they don't care.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - A good year on the side of them.

00:42:01 ◼   ► They care.

00:42:02 ◼   ► - I mean, look, before the iPhone,

00:42:04 ◼   ► $600 smartphones had Verizon logos on the back of them.

00:42:07 ◼   ► This is one of those things where like Apple,

00:42:09 ◼   ► Apple's gonna go in there with just the most stubborn

00:42:12 ◼   ► position in the world, and eventually,

00:42:16 ◼   ► somebody will do it for them for the right price.

00:42:19 ◼   ► - Some of the desperate singular,

00:42:20 ◼   ► I mean, Apple had the word Verizon on its phones

00:42:22 ◼   ► back before the notch when they could fit it.

00:42:25 ◼   ► - Wait, oh, in the status bar a little bit.

00:42:27 ◼   ► No, but I'm saying like on the phone.

00:42:29 ◼   ► - I understand, I'm just saying that brand names

00:42:31 ◼   ► have been on iPhones.

00:42:33 ◼   ► I guess it's on the screen,

00:42:34 ◼   ► but they could have just put an Apple over it.

00:42:35 ◼   ► - Verizon is still on the screen.

00:42:37 ◼   ► - Is it?

00:42:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, on the lock screen anyway.

00:42:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, I guess it is, it's still there.

00:42:40 ◼   ► I was wondering if there was room at the notch.

00:42:42 ◼   ► - On the lock screen, it's not on the,

00:42:43 ◼   ► you know, once it's unlocked,

00:42:44 ◼   ► but it is on the lock screen.

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00:44:50 ◼   ► - Let's talk about something that is truly important

00:44:53 ◼   ► because it has been a long time coming.

00:44:56 ◼   ► I feel like, you know, on the show,

00:44:59 ◼   ► Adam pre-existed the show, but on this show,

00:45:03 ◼   ► Declan was born, Mikayla was born,

00:45:06 ◼   ► your Mac Pro, your current Mac Pro was born,

00:45:10 ◼   ► but perhaps more important than anything else,

00:45:13 ◼   ► you've gotten a new television.

00:45:15 ◼   ► There's a new birth in the ATP family,

00:45:18 ◼   ► and it is John's television.

00:45:19 ◼   ► - I did get a new television.

00:45:20 ◼   ► I think I had the stats on the last rectus.

00:45:23 ◼   ► I think it's been like eight years-ish, something like that.

00:45:27 ◼   ► - Well, then we might've been there for the last one.

00:45:29 ◼   ► It depends on when it was, 'cause we--

00:45:30 ◼   ► - It was 2013, yeah.

00:45:32 ◼   ► - Well, when in 2013, 'cause it was like March-ish.

00:45:35 ◼   ► - December-ish, maybe December.

00:45:37 ◼   ► - Okay, so then we were here for it.

00:45:39 ◼   ► All right, so I apologize.

00:45:40 ◼   ► "All right, I don't care, let's move on."

00:45:41 ◼   ► - But that was just, that was where I panic bought

00:45:43 ◼   ► the last great plasma.

00:45:45 ◼   ► I had recently, quote unquote, recently bought a plasma

00:45:47 ◼   ► a couple years before, and I was like,

00:45:49 ◼   ► "Oh, they're gonna not make plasmas anymore.

00:45:50 ◼   ► "I better get the best one right now."

00:45:52 ◼   ► And like, I get the last best Panasonic plasma,

00:45:54 ◼   ► and then they stopped making them.

00:45:56 ◼   ► - Oh, that's right, yeah, I think we were around

00:45:57 ◼   ► for this one, all right, well, nevermind,

00:45:59 ◼   ► I'll take it all back.

00:45:59 ◼   ► - Anyway, it's been a long time.

00:46:01 ◼   ► So I had sort of, I'd been working on this,

00:46:04 ◼   ► buying, I talked about this in past shows,

00:46:06 ◼   ► on some of my podcasts, buying the parts,

00:46:08 ◼   ► because I was afraid I wouldn't be able to get them.

00:46:10 ◼   ► I was afraid that if I waited until everything was ready to come, then I'd be like, "All

00:46:14 ◼   ► right, let me order everything that I exhaustively researched for the past eight years."

00:46:18 ◼   ► And they'd be like, "Oh, sorry, not in stock," or whatever.

00:46:19 ◼   ► So as soon as I decided what I was getting, I just started buying stuff.

00:46:22 ◼   ► So for literally months, I've had a brand new receiver and a Blu-ray player that we

00:46:26 ◼   ► talked about on a past show that I did some surgery on.

00:46:29 ◼   ► Sitting in my house, I bought the stand for the TV because I can't use the one that it

00:46:32 ◼   ► comes with because of my weird house situation.

00:46:35 ◼   ► I half assembled and stuck in a closet gathering dust all waiting for the TV to come.

00:46:41 ◼   ► While this was happening, like the day before the TV was supposed to be delivered, which

00:46:44 ◼   ► was like delivered by this special courier or whatever, I bought it from Sony.com directly

00:46:48 ◼   ► because it was the only place you could order it.

00:46:50 ◼   ► I don't know if it's available anyplace else.

00:46:51 ◼   ► I'm sure it will be eventually, but I bought it like within 60 seconds of it becoming available

00:46:57 ◼   ► on Sony.com.

00:46:59 ◼   ► I was not announced.

00:47:01 ◼   ► Thank you to all the people on Twitter who told me, "Hey, it's live on Sony," because

00:47:05 ◼   ► There was no announced date or time that I was aware of, but anyway, I got my order in,

00:47:09 ◼   ► and then they had it delivered to this courier who then had to call me and arrange for a

00:47:12 ◼   ► time for delivery, which was convenient, because I was out of town when they wanted to deliver

00:47:16 ◼   ► it and I said, "Can you wait until I get back in time?"

00:47:18 ◼   ► And they said, "Fine."

00:47:19 ◼   ► But anyway, while I was waiting for the TV to come, I could do some stuff.

00:47:22 ◼   ► I can take my old TV off, take everything out, because everything has to go.

00:47:27 ◼   ► The only thing that I didn't actually remove from the entertainment center was my T-Vobe,

00:47:30 ◼   ► was that staying, but it did move, it's a clean under it or whatever.

00:47:34 ◼   ► the old receiver, boxed it up, put it away, unhooked all the game consoles, took all the

00:47:39 ◼   ► other junk off of there, got it all cleaned out, and then I put in the new receiver and

00:47:44 ◼   ► the new Blu-ray player.

00:47:45 ◼   ► And the receiver is a pain because I connect all the speaker wires and it's just a logistical

00:47:49 ◼   ► nightmare but anyway I plugged it all in, put everything back that I could, put the

00:47:53 ◼   ► Blu-ray player back where the Playstation 3 was because that used to be my Blu-ray player,

00:47:56 ◼   ► I can have my center channel speaker actually centered on my TV now which is nice because

00:48:00 ◼   ► it didn't fit on top of the George Foreman grill that was the ps3. I had a ps3 slim but still it's

00:48:06 ◼   ► rounded on top so you couldn't put a speaker. It's all relative. Yeah you couldn't put a speaker on

00:48:10 ◼   ► top of it because it would just skitter off. So anyway I was happy with that setup and then I put

00:48:15 ◼   ► the old tv back temporarily just so I could have a tv to see the screen because what I was going to

00:48:19 ◼   ► do is set up my surround thing. If you haven't set up a receiver in recent years the way most of them

00:48:24 ◼   ► work is you put your receiver in you hook up all your speakers and everything and then they mostly

00:48:29 ◼   ► have either a thing that you do with an on-screen menu or in modern days a thing you can do with

00:48:34 ◼   ► like an app on your phone or something where they give you, you might be confused when you see this

00:48:38 ◼   ► in the box, a very very very long thin cord with a little like disc or puck or knob at the end of it

00:48:44 ◼   ► and that's a microphone and what they want you to do is run whatever their software is, put that

00:48:49 ◼   ► little microphone basically where your head would be as you sit on the couch and it will play

00:48:54 ◼   ► through all the speakers in your room and it will adjust the volume and phase and all the other

00:48:58 ◼   ► stuff of the speaker so that it sounds good in that seating position. There's lots of

00:49:02 ◼   ► different software that does this. Even my old receiver, which was years and years ago,

00:49:04 ◼   ► had a system for doing this.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Wait, what about the people who sit on the other parts of the couch?

00:49:08 ◼   ► Well, so, the fancier software says, "We don't just measure one position, we can..."

00:49:12 ◼   ► It has like a 3D model of the room and it says, "Put it in..." Like, if you can imagine

00:49:16 ◼   ► like the volume of the room with various spots in it, the software I was using had up to

00:49:21 ◼   ► 17 positions that you could measure and it would try to sort of average it together and

00:49:26 ◼   ► and try to make it sound okay in most of the positions

00:49:28 ◼   ► with no bad things.

00:49:31 ◼   ► This is important to me because my room is weirdly shaped,

00:49:34 ◼   ► my speakers are weirdly placed.

00:49:36 ◼   ► This is not, like every time you see one of these things

00:49:37 ◼   ► on TV, it's like I live in a rectangular room

00:49:39 ◼   ► and my television is directly in front of me

00:49:41 ◼   ► and the couch is right in front of the TV

00:49:42 ◼   ► and my surround speakers are exactly at the corner.

00:49:45 ◼   ► Like I don't know who lives like that.

00:49:46 ◼   ► Maybe you build like a dedicated home theater room,

00:49:49 ◼   ► but it's definitely not my room.

00:49:50 ◼   ► My room is weird shaped, my TV is in the corner,

00:49:53 ◼   ► nothing is at right angles to anything,

00:49:55 ◼   ► Nothing is at the height you expect as, you know,

00:49:57 ◼   ► so I have to do this sound adjustment thing.

00:50:00 ◼   ► The receiver I bought supports

00:50:02 ◼   ► two different sound adjustment things.

00:50:03 ◼   ► One that's like the easier one that's older,

00:50:07 ◼   ► older and easier and built in.

00:50:08 ◼   ► I forget what the name of it's called.

00:50:09 ◼   ► It has some acronym MCCR, whatever, something like that.

00:50:13 ◼   ► And then the other one, which is the fancy one

00:50:14 ◼   ► that all the reviews, if you look on YouTube say,

00:50:16 ◼   ► oh, this is the best, what are they called?

00:50:18 ◼   ► Room compensation.

00:50:19 ◼   ► It's the best room compensation feature.

00:50:21 ◼   ► It's called Dirac Live, D-I-R-A-C space live.

00:50:25 ◼   ► I think you can do it on your phone.

00:50:27 ◼   ► I tried to do it on the phone

00:50:28 ◼   ► and it seemed to be wanting me to download a Mac app,

00:50:30 ◼   ► so I did, I was more comfortable with that anyway.

00:50:32 ◼   ► And you run the Mac app,

00:50:33 ◼   ► and I was using my tripod for my camera,

00:50:35 ◼   ► 'cause the little microphone

00:50:37 ◼   ► screws into the little tripod top,

00:50:39 ◼   ► and it tells you where to put it around the room

00:50:41 ◼   ► with the tripod.

00:50:42 ◼   ► You know, put it in this seating position,

00:50:42 ◼   ► that position in front of the couch, behind the couch,

00:50:44 ◼   ► high, low, 17 different positions.

00:50:47 ◼   ► - This sounds awful. (laughs)

00:50:49 ◼   ► - You also do volume adjustment.

00:50:51 ◼   ► It's kind of fun because the app takes you through kind of like a wizard and it says,

00:50:54 ◼   ► "First, we're going to test all your speakers to make sure this is supposed to be left front.

00:50:57 ◼   ► This is the right thing to make sure you're going to be wired correctly."

00:51:00 ◼   ► And then it does volume adjustment and it plays white noise through each of the speakers.

00:51:03 ◼   ► It reminded me when I had an infant at home.

00:51:04 ◼   ► It's just white noise through the house.

00:51:06 ◼   ► And then when it does the sound testing, it's like, "Don't make any noise.

00:51:09 ◼   ► If a dog barks or a kid talks or something falls down, it will invalidate the test and

00:51:13 ◼   ► you have to adjust the microphone gain."

00:51:15 ◼   ► Anyway, it's not a fun thing to do.

00:51:17 ◼   ► None of this sounds fun.

00:51:19 ◼   ► It makes weird noises, because it goes like, whoop.

00:51:23 ◼   ► It makes various frequency noises and echolocation things

00:51:26 ◼   ► and low and high volume.

00:51:28 ◼   ► And those high frequency noises can hurt.

00:51:30 ◼   ► Yeah, they have a whole thing of like, be careful.

00:51:31 ◼   ► Start with the volume low and bring it up.

00:51:33 ◼   ► But you have to have a certain minimum volume.

00:51:34 ◼   ► If the volume's too low, we'll complain

00:51:36 ◼   ► and say, but this test didn't work,

00:51:37 ◼   ► because your volume's too low.

00:51:39 ◼   ► Turn the volume up.

00:51:40 ◼   ► So I spent a while doing that.

00:51:41 ◼   ► Again, this is with the old TV, but the new receiver,

00:51:44 ◼   ► because the receiver and the speakers aren't going to change

00:51:46 ◼   ► and the TV isn't really involved in this process at all,

00:51:48 ◼   ► except showing me the onscreen menus

00:51:50 ◼   ► to set things up basically.

00:51:51 ◼   ► And then I'm sitting there with the Mac laptop,

00:51:52 ◼   ► which was pretty neat.

00:51:53 ◼   ► It was like wirelessly controlling everything

00:51:55 ◼   ► through wifi, 'cause the receiver's on wifi, of course,

00:51:57 ◼   ► in this modern era.

00:51:58 ◼   ► The app, when they say like, you know,

00:52:01 ◼   ► the simpler one is built in,

00:52:03 ◼   ► and this is the more complicated one,

00:52:04 ◼   ► I should have just used the simpler one.

00:52:06 ◼   ► This is the more complicated one,

00:52:07 ◼   ► was really complicated and really time consuming,

00:52:09 ◼   ► and I'm trying to tell everyone in my house,

00:52:11 ◼   ► everyone has to be quiet.

00:52:12 ◼   ► My dog was at least in my problem.

00:52:14 ◼   ► My kids were like, I'm just gonna walk up and down stairs,

00:52:16 ◼   ► and you know, because if you move anywhere in my house,

00:52:17 ◼   ► it makes noise. My house makes noise if you move, right?

00:52:19 ◼   ► It's an old creaky house.

00:52:21 ◼   ► Every door clanks, every floorboard squeaks.

00:52:25 ◼   ► So it was a little bit onerous and didn't particularly enjoy

00:52:27 ◼   ► it, but it's really important because like I said,

00:52:29 ◼   ► my room was weird.

00:52:30 ◼   ► So when the delivery finally came, I'm like,

00:52:32 ◼   ► oh, this fancy delivery service was expensive too.

00:52:34 ◼   ► Yeah, they probably don't want to send it to FedEx or,

00:52:36 ◼   ► you know, UPS.

00:52:37 ◼   ► They want to send their own dedicated thing.

00:52:39 ◼   ► So it's like, you know, a courier from the airport.

00:52:41 ◼   ► We're going to call someone up and they're going to arrange

00:52:43 ◼   ► for a time. I did all that.

00:52:45 ◼   ► I double checked because they send all these automated emails

00:52:48 ◼   ► like your delivery has been delayed.

00:52:50 ◼   ► 'Cause I was like, is that because I delayed it?

00:52:52 ◼   ► Turns out, yeah, it was because I did.

00:52:53 ◼   ► So I called back up and said,

00:52:55 ◼   ► I'm getting a delivery today.

00:52:56 ◼   ► And they said, yeah, you are.

00:52:56 ◼   ► Anyway, who comes to my house?

00:52:58 ◼   ► It's a van with one guy.

00:53:01 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:53:02 ◼   ► - One guy?

00:53:03 ◼   ► You send one guy with a 65 inch television?

00:53:06 ◼   ► He's got a little cart with wheels on it,

00:53:08 ◼   ► but you know, I went out there and helped him

00:53:10 ◼   ► because I'm like, look, whatever.

00:53:12 ◼   ► I don't know what Sony pays for this delivery,

00:53:14 ◼   ► but this thing should be carried by two people.

00:53:16 ◼   ► The box had like, you know,

00:53:18 ◼   ► your typical sort of something has punched through this box

00:53:21 ◼   ► and made a C-shaped hole.

00:53:22 ◼   ► So there's a little flap dented in.

00:53:24 ◼   ► - Oh! - Like, it was like,

00:53:25 ◼   ► how far did that go in, right?

00:53:27 ◼   ► You know, and I'm like pressing out of it or whatever.

00:53:29 ◼   ► Luckily that was the backside of the TV

00:53:31 ◼   ► and it didn't go in very far, but it did.

00:53:33 ◼   ► I took pictures of it just in case.

00:53:35 ◼   ► And interestingly, since I had just boxed up my old TV,

00:53:37 ◼   ► yes, of course I had the original box to mail TV.

00:53:39 ◼   ► Since I had just boxed up my old TV.

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Those are not small.

00:53:43 ◼   ► - Nope. - No, it's not small.

00:53:45 ◼   ► It was a very big box.

00:53:47 ◼   ► That was a 55 inch plasma,

00:53:49 ◼   ► and that 55 inch plasma weighs more than this TV,

00:53:52 ◼   ► and the box is substantially larger.

00:53:54 ◼   ► I was surprised when I saw this box.

00:53:55 ◼   ► I know OLEDs are way less than plasmas,

00:53:58 ◼   ► plasmas are just big heavy things.

00:54:00 ◼   ► This plasma had fans in the back of it,

00:54:01 ◼   ► it had big glass, big bezels around it.

00:54:04 ◼   ► The new box was smaller.

00:54:05 ◼   ► In all dimensions, I think it was smaller.

00:54:06 ◼   ► It just had less stuff in it.

00:54:08 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, maybe you should put more padding

00:54:09 ◼   ► "in this thing."

00:54:10 ◼   ► Anyway, the way my old box works,

00:54:13 ◼   ► things were so much better back in the old days

00:54:15 ◼   ► when Panasonic was still selling things here.

00:54:18 ◼   ► It's a very large box and you read the instructions

00:54:21 ◼   ► of how you're supposed to get your TV out of it.

00:54:23 ◼   ► It's basically like there's a base

00:54:26 ◼   ► where the TV is stuck in a bunch of styrofoam,

00:54:28 ◼   ► you know, like vertically,

00:54:29 ◼   ► and then the top of the box comes off.

00:54:33 ◼   ► The top of the box goes onto that base

00:54:35 ◼   ► and touches the ground,

00:54:36 ◼   ► and the only thing that's holding that together

00:54:39 ◼   ► are four holes that are through both the sort of top

00:54:43 ◼   ► and the base and these little plastic sort of grommets

00:54:46 ◼   ► that go through both of them and snap in.

00:54:49 ◼   ► That's literally, when you're picking that box up

00:54:51 ◼   ► by like the little handles on the side,

00:54:52 ◼   ► you are picking up the cover, the top of the box,

00:54:56 ◼   ► and that in turn is pulling on those grommets

00:54:58 ◼   ► and it's picking up the bottom part of the box.

00:54:59 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh, that always seems,

00:55:01 ◼   ► "for like a hundred something pound box

00:55:03 ◼   ► "with the base and everything in there,

00:55:03 ◼   ► "that seems unsafe or whatever."

00:55:05 ◼   ► So the Sony comes, we bring it into the house,

00:55:08 ◼   ► Luckily the guy wasn't some weird setup service thing.

00:55:10 ◼   ► They were just like, all right, I'm done.

00:55:12 ◼   ► I brought it into your house.

00:55:12 ◼   ► I'm like, good, anyway.

00:55:14 ◼   ► - As if you would let them set it up.

00:55:15 ◼   ► - Right, no, but the Plasma people,

00:55:17 ◼   ► we have to open it up and make sure it works.

00:55:18 ◼   ► Otherwise we won't, 'cause if you blame us for a delivery,

00:55:21 ◼   ► we have to confirm that it works or whatever.

00:55:23 ◼   ► And I was like, I don't want it.

00:55:24 ◼   ► But this guy didn't have to do that.

00:55:26 ◼   ► So I'm like, how do you open this one up?

00:55:28 ◼   ► So I look at the little instructions and it says,

00:55:29 ◼   ► oh, the top lifts right off.

00:55:31 ◼   ► This is gonna, someone from Sony will explain to me

00:55:34 ◼   ► how this works, but I was like, okay, well,

00:55:36 ◼   ► I open up the top of the box and I take some styrofoam out

00:55:39 ◼   ► and then I see the piece of paper that says,

00:55:41 ◼   ► "Oh, the top lifts off."

00:55:42 ◼   ► I take the styrofoam out and I can see the box

00:55:44 ◼   ► and so I saw, oh, the hole was in the back of the box

00:55:46 ◼   ► and it didn't hit the TV, so that's good.

00:55:47 ◼   ► I was relieved about that.

00:55:49 ◼   ► And then it said just the top of the box lifts off.

00:55:51 ◼   ► And I lift the top of the box off

00:55:53 ◼   ► and I'm left with the base with styrofoam

00:55:54 ◼   ► with the TV sticking out of it.

00:55:55 ◼   ► And I continue to just take the TV out of the styrofoam

00:55:59 ◼   ► and put it down on the ground

00:56:00 ◼   ► 'cause I was gonna have to attach the stand to the back

00:56:02 ◼   ► and all that stuff.

00:56:03 ◼   ► Only later did it occur to me,

00:56:04 ◼   ► "Hey, wait a second.

00:56:05 ◼   ► what was holding the top of the box onto the bottom of the box?

00:56:11 ◼   ► i do not have that answer right now because i can tell you when i

00:56:14 ◼   ► when i reassembled the box there is no visible connection i didn't cut any tape

00:56:20 ◼   ► i didn't remove any grommets and if you put the box back together and

00:56:25 ◼   ► put your hands in the handles inside and pick it up it just lifts the top back up

00:56:27 ◼   ► again the bottom just stays behind and i know

00:56:29 ◼   ► this because the bottom like the stand that it comes with weighs like 50 pounds

00:56:33 ◼   ► It's like the heaviest thing in the box and I'm not using that so I left that in the box

00:56:37 ◼   ► So I put that in the box put the top back on put my hands in the handles lift it up and the top comes

00:56:42 ◼   ► Right off. It's very confusing. I the only thing I can think of is that the styrofoam that's in there

00:56:47 ◼   ► Your hands go into the handles and grab the styrofoam

00:56:50 ◼   ► But that styrofoam doesn't extend to the bottom. Maybe that styrofoam grips the TV somehow

00:56:55 ◼   ► No, no, it's confusing and it doesn't make me feel safe either. Anyway got the TV out

00:57:01 ◼   ► I'm gonna put the stand on the back. It's it's a third-party stand because I can't use a

00:57:04 ◼   ► One that came with is too wide. So it's like a pedestal stand. It's from Amazon. It's just some random brand it is the

00:57:11 ◼   ► Most sturdy looking least embarrassing looking one that I could find

00:57:16 ◼   ► Lots of them are embarrassing like Casey's visa mounts

00:57:19 ◼   ► That's that's ugly I would not put that on my thing

00:57:24 ◼   ► This is just a rectangle with a thing coming out of it and it doesn't

00:57:28 ◼   ► rotate or anything because I didn't want one that like did anything doesn't move tilt bend rotate

00:57:33 ◼   ► It's just everything is perpendicular because that's the way I want it. I never want to rotate it

00:57:37 ◼   ► I never want to tilt it and never want to do anything with it

00:57:39 ◼   ► Um, and luckily the back of the Sony is flat. I was excited by that

00:57:43 ◼   ► Uh, no, no weird humps nothing weird like that

00:57:46 ◼   ► And there was lots of different connection things to put it on with washers and everything. I attached that

00:57:50 ◼   ► Put it on the the stand connected the cables

00:57:54 ◼   ► So much fewer cables than I had before, because before I had so many things connected to it.

00:57:57 ◼   ► Back in my last TV, I couldn't really commit to having everything go through the receiver.

00:58:01 ◼   ► Every game console was directly connected to the TV and also could be connected through the receiver.

00:58:07 ◼   ► And I had like two HDMI things hanging out in the back of one, then I could swap them. I wanted like

00:58:11 ◼   ► lower latency than going through the receiver. Didn't do that this time. It's just one, well,

00:58:16 ◼   ► start off with two and eventually down to one connection from the receiver to the television,

00:58:20 ◼   ► and everything else goes to the receiver. Most of my game consoles are now decorative,

00:58:25 ◼   ► so I removed all their power bricks and everything. Like they used to, you don't

00:58:29 ◼   ► realize how big the power bricks are. If you have, just to list three of them, if you have the

00:58:34 ◼   ► Wii, the Wii U, and the GameCube, they all have giant external power bricks and wads of cords

00:58:40 ◼   ► and everything. It's just a mess back there. I was glad to get rid of that, but I still have

00:58:44 ◼   ► those consoles there as decorations. Let's see what else I'm going to do with this thing. The

00:58:49 ◼   ► The back panels are neat.

00:58:51 ◼   ► There is a place to route the cables,

00:58:53 ◼   ► and there's these little sort of snap-on.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Speaking of cars, if you ever know

00:58:56 ◼   ► what body clips look like on cars,

00:58:59 ◼   ► where parts of the outside of your car,

00:59:02 ◼   ► if you see how cars are assembled and disassembled,

00:59:04 ◼   ► it really makes you wonder

00:59:06 ◼   ► how they don't fall apart more often,

00:59:07 ◼   ► because lots of things are glued,

00:59:09 ◼   ► and lots of things are just clipped

00:59:11 ◼   ► with these little plastic clips,

00:59:12 ◼   ► like little just plastic clips

00:59:14 ◼   ► that probably break when you disassemble them,

00:59:16 ◼   ► because it's something that snaps

00:59:17 ◼   ► into a little slot or whatever.

00:59:18 ◼   ► That's how these things work.

00:59:20 ◼   ► And it's pretty nice 'cause it's easy to take on and off

00:59:23 ◼   ► and they snap into place and they hold firmly.

00:59:25 ◼   ► Very happy with everything about the setup process.

00:59:27 ◼   ► It went surprisingly smoothly.

00:59:30 ◼   ► It just barely fits in my house.

00:59:33 ◼   ► Like I did all the measurements beforehand,

00:59:34 ◼   ► I'm like I think it'll clear the radiator,

00:59:36 ◼   ► I think it won't hit the wall,

00:59:37 ◼   ► I think it won't have to move any furniture.

00:59:39 ◼   ► Thumbs up on all accounts,

00:59:40 ◼   ► but I cannot get a bigger television.

00:59:42 ◼   ► This is a good wake up call to say 65 is the limit.

00:59:45 ◼   ► A house cannot accommodate a larger television,

00:59:48 ◼   ► it will literally hit walls.

00:59:49 ◼   ► And I do wanna leave room for me to like worm behind it

00:59:51 ◼   ► to get back there and mess with stuff.

00:59:53 ◼   ► The remote it comes with is nice.

00:59:55 ◼   ► As with so many things, it embarrasses the Apple remote,

00:59:57 ◼   ► not because it's an amazing remote,

00:59:59 ◼   ► but it just shows that it's not hard to do better

01:00:01 ◼   ► than the Apple remote.

01:00:02 ◼   ► We loved it so much 'cause the old one was so bad.

01:00:04 ◼   ► But the Sony remote is,

01:00:06 ◼   ► it's got sort of like a textured plastic on the back,

01:00:08 ◼   ► so it's more grippy than the smooth Apple one.

01:00:10 ◼   ► It's still too small, but it's bigger than the Apple one,

01:00:13 ◼   ► both length and width.

01:00:15 ◼   ► It has a pleasing heft to it,

01:00:17 ◼   ► and the way that they used to make electronics

01:00:18 ◼   ► feel expensive by making them feel dense.

01:00:20 ◼   ► They do that with this.

01:00:21 ◼   ► I don't know what it's filled with,

01:00:22 ◼   ► probably literally like lead weights or whatever,

01:00:24 ◼   ► but hey, it works.

01:00:25 ◼   ► It's got light up buttons that only light up

01:00:27 ◼   ► when you pick the thing up.

01:00:28 ◼   ► It's got a speaker on it so you can say something

01:00:30 ◼   ► and it will make a beeping noise

01:00:31 ◼   ► so you can find the remote if you lose it.

01:00:32 ◼   ► Not that that would ever happen to me.

01:00:34 ◼   ► It's got a very clicky circular wheel on it.

01:00:38 ◼   ► It's not as good as a TiVo remote, but it feels expensive.

01:00:41 ◼   ► And it's the first of several remotes

01:00:44 ◼   ► that came with this setup

01:00:45 ◼   ► that now exist in my house and have Netflix buttons

01:00:48 ◼   ► and Amazon Prime buttons and whatever the hell they're,

01:00:50 ◼   ► branded buttons that are on the things.

01:00:52 ◼   ► It's just the way of the world.

01:00:53 ◼   ► The television itself, it's basically edge to edge screen.

01:00:57 ◼   ► It does have a tiny little chin, like less than an inch high

01:01:00 ◼   ► and on a 65 inch TV, you don't even notice that

01:01:03 ◼   ► and it's black.

01:01:04 ◼   ► In terms of condition, the only place I found blemishes

01:01:06 ◼   ► on the TV where there's a couple little,

01:01:08 ◼   ► very small scratches on the metal chin

01:01:11 ◼   ► that runs along the bottom.

01:01:12 ◼   ► So small that you have to be like inches away from it

01:01:14 ◼   ► to see them.

01:01:15 ◼   ► them when I was peeling off the little static clear plastic whatever that stuff is called

01:01:20 ◼   ► that they put in all appliances now and that people leave on because I don't realize it's

01:01:24 ◼   ► there and honestly I would not have seen this either if I hadn't been really close to the tv

01:01:27 ◼   ► like messing with the stand but yeah there was a little plastic thing over the front and I peeled

01:01:31 ◼   ► that off and a couple little nicks in the the metal chin but not anything that I would ever do

01:01:36 ◼   ► anything about and that's where the lights on the front of the television are they're I think maybe

01:01:42 ◼   ► one or two of them, both of which you can disable.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Woo!

01:01:47 ◼   ► - Oh, nice.

01:01:48 ◼   ► - Software features, 'cause you know,

01:01:50 ◼   ► I'm going through the settings and turning everything off.

01:01:52 ◼   ► It also comes with a camera that clips on to the back

01:01:57 ◼   ► and points towards you.

01:01:58 ◼   ► I thought that was like an optional extra,

01:02:00 ◼   ► but it's bundled with the TV,

01:02:01 ◼   ► should be for this price anyway.

01:02:02 ◼   ► I don't know the quality of the camera.

01:02:05 ◼   ► When I was attaching it, it's got magnets,

01:02:07 ◼   ► it's got two little magnets that magnetically,

01:02:10 ◼   ► it's not MagSafe, but it's got two little magnets

01:02:12 ◼   ► that click it into this, the thing where it connects

01:02:14 ◼   ► and it's got a bunch of like little pin connector-y things.

01:02:16 ◼   ► It's a proprietary connection, right?

01:02:18 ◼   ► But just, when you click it in like that,

01:02:20 ◼   ► it's still wobbly.

01:02:21 ◼   ► I think they made it flexible, so you know,

01:02:23 ◼   ► 'cause it was stiff and you tried to like, you know,

01:02:25 ◼   ► move it or something, you could crack it or whatever,

01:02:27 ◼   ► but it's like flexible.

01:02:29 ◼   ► And the reason I bring this up is because I connected it

01:02:31 ◼   ► and the TV didn't seem to see the camera at all.

01:02:33 ◼   ► I just saw, I couldn't find out how can I use this camera.

01:02:37 ◼   ► I downloaded like a Google meeting app or something

01:02:39 ◼   ► to see if it would do something and it didn't work

01:02:40 ◼   ► and I'm like, is this camera used for anything?

01:02:43 ◼   ► 'Cause I'd read reviews and they said,

01:02:44 ◼   ► oh, the TV will scold you if kids sit too close to the TV

01:02:47 ◼   ► if it sees them on the camera or whatever, but this wasn't,

01:02:50 ◼   ► I'm like, is it not connected?

01:02:52 ◼   ► So I kept disconnecting the camera

01:02:53 ◼   ► and reconnecting and disconnecting and reconnecting.

01:02:55 ◼   ► Eventually I found out the TV knows the camera is there

01:02:57 ◼   ► because there is a mechanical shutter on it,

01:02:59 ◼   ► you know, a plastic thing that slides in front of the camera

01:03:01 ◼   ► that you can keep closed if you don't want it to be on

01:03:03 ◼   ► and you're paranoid or whatever.

01:03:05 ◼   ► And when you close that,

01:03:06 ◼   ► a message pops up on the TV screen says,

01:03:08 ◼   ► your camera, whatever thing is closed,

01:03:10 ◼   ► it won't work until you open it.

01:03:11 ◼   ► It's like, aha, you know the camera's there

01:03:13 ◼   ► and you know that I closed it, but nothing uses it.

01:03:16 ◼   ► Someone sent me a picture of their same TV

01:03:18 ◼   ► with a feature like in the settings

01:03:20 ◼   ► that sees that the camera's there,

01:03:21 ◼   ► but mine doesn't see it yet.

01:03:22 ◼   ► And the manual said, you may need a software update

01:03:25 ◼   ► or whatever, but I've got the latest software.

01:03:27 ◼   ► Anyway, further news on this camera.

01:03:29 ◼   ► Eventually, if I can't get it to work,

01:03:30 ◼   ► I'm just gonna take it off and stick the little panel

01:03:32 ◼   ► that covers the plug in it, but I'm still willing

01:03:34 ◼   ► to believe that the camera might do something someday.

01:03:37 ◼   ► Setup process was fine, it's the first time

01:03:39 ◼   ► I've ever used Google TV. It's Androidy. It's fine. It's not as responsive as Apple TV.

01:03:45 ◼   ► It makes me appreciate Apple TV a little bit, but it's plenty responsive. You can download

01:03:48 ◼   ► apps, it's got all the things you would expect built in. I have yet another way to watch

01:03:51 ◼   ► Netflix. My Blu-ray player has a way to watch Netflix as well. Everything has a way to watch

01:03:57 ◼   ► Netflix. What wouldn't? I don't know if it has Apple TV built in, but I think it does.

01:04:00 ◼   ► I think it's also an AirPlay receiver without the Apple TV as well. I'd mostly do things

01:04:04 ◼   ► for the Apple TV, but just FYI, it has a smart TV OS thing that's built in there. The only

01:04:09 ◼   ► stumbling block I came upon when I was setting things up

01:04:12 ◼   ► was a lot of things, a lot of TV apps when you set them up

01:04:15 ◼   ► have a thing where, you know, like if you're trying

01:04:17 ◼   ► to sign into YouTube app or whatever, it's like,

01:04:19 ◼   ► just launch YouTube on your phone

01:04:21 ◼   ► and you'll see a little notification.

01:04:23 ◼   ► You can just say, let me in, right?

01:04:24 ◼   ► That's as opposed to the old ways and the olden days,

01:04:27 ◼   ► you would say, go to youtube.com/activate

01:04:29 ◼   ► and type in this three letter code, right?

01:04:31 ◼   ► Well, a lot of the apps that do that would say,

01:04:34 ◼   ► just make sure your phone is on the same wifi network

01:04:36 ◼   ► 'cause your TV and you'll see a thing pop up

01:04:39 ◼   ► and they'll say it may take up to 30 seconds,

01:04:41 ◼   ► so be patient.

01:04:42 ◼   ► Apparently I'm not patient

01:04:43 ◼   ► 'cause I would launch these things

01:04:44 ◼   ► and I would launch the app on my phone

01:04:46 ◼   ► and it would say wait 30 seconds

01:04:47 ◼   ► and I would look at it and I would look at it

01:04:49 ◼   ► and I realized this TV isn't on the same WiFi network

01:04:52 ◼   ► as my phone.

01:04:53 ◼   ► In fact, this TV's not on WiFi at all

01:04:55 ◼   ► because why would I do that?

01:04:57 ◼   ► Everything's connected to ethernet back there.

01:04:58 ◼   ► The Apple TV's on ethernet, the television,

01:05:01 ◼   ► the Blu-ray player, all the game consoles,

01:05:04 ◼   ► everything is ethernet, 'cause wires.

01:05:07 ◼   ► - They can be, they're better.

01:05:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, I have like a 10-port ethernet switch

01:05:13 ◼   ► by my TV entertainment center.

01:05:15 ◼   ► But that means it's not on Wi-Fi, so I'm like,

01:05:17 ◼   ► I can solve that, I'll just put it on Wi-Fi

01:05:18 ◼   ► for during the setup process.

01:05:20 ◼   ► And so I went to Wi-Fi, it found my network,

01:05:22 ◼   ► I just said enter your password for your network,

01:05:24 ◼   ► I entered the password, and it shows a little spinner

01:05:26 ◼   ► for a while, and this thing spins for, I guess,

01:05:29 ◼   ► 60 seconds, and it says, couldn't find your network, sorry.

01:05:33 ◼   ► I tried my guest network, I tried reentering the password for both of them multiple times.

01:05:38 ◼   ► This TV will not connect to any of my wifi.

01:05:40 ◼   ► I googled for it and you googled for Sony TV can't connect to wifi, all you find is

01:05:45 ◼   ► like SEO spam pages that are just like, I don't know, copy pasta of random things like

01:05:50 ◼   ► reboot your router or whatever.

01:05:52 ◼   ► And then real articles from people who just can't get their wifi to work or whatever.

01:05:56 ◼   ► So apparently it's not a widespread problem or at least not that I know of, but I could

01:06:01 ◼   ► never get it connected to Wi-Fi.

01:06:03 ◼   ► I don't need it to be connected to Wi-Fi.

01:06:04 ◼   ► I don't want it connected to Wi-Fi.

01:06:06 ◼   ► It's on ethernet, that's fine.

01:06:08 ◼   ► And in practical purpose,

01:06:10 ◼   ► I think it probably would have eventually worked

01:06:12 ◼   ► 'cause it is on the same network as my phone.

01:06:14 ◼   ► It's just not on the same Wi-Fi as my phone.

01:06:16 ◼   ► And I think when they say

01:06:17 ◼   ► make sure it's on the same Wi-Fi,

01:06:18 ◼   ► they just assume everyone uses Wi-Fi

01:06:21 ◼   ► and not wired connections.

01:06:22 ◼   ► But it is a kind of a sticking point.

01:06:24 ◼   ► It's the one thing so far that, besides the camera,

01:06:26 ◼   ► that it absolutely had not been able to get to work.

01:06:28 ◼   ► The TV just will not connect to Wi-Fi.

01:06:30 ◼   ► Each time it tries, it spins for like 60 seconds,

01:06:32 ◼   ► so it's kind of annoying to work through all that.

01:06:35 ◼   ► I went through all the settings.

01:06:37 ◼   ► Boy, there are a lot of settings.

01:06:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:06:40 ◼   ► And for me, you're going through, no, off, no, no, no.

01:06:44 ◼   ► I was disappointed to learn,

01:06:45 ◼   ► I don't know, I hadn't realized this,

01:06:47 ◼   ► but Sony is one of the holdout companies

01:06:49 ◼   ► that's not doing filmmaker mode in the TVs.

01:06:52 ◼   ► This is a thing that, I don't know,

01:06:54 ◼   ► entertainment industry convinced the television industry

01:06:57 ◼   ► to do, it's filmmaker mode, all caps.

01:06:59 ◼   ► It's always in all caps, probably,

01:07:00 ◼   ► 'cause I'm branding reason or whatever.

01:07:01 ◼   ► - Wait, really?

01:07:02 ◼   ► That's like a standardized name?

01:07:03 ◼   ► Like mine has it, but I just figured that was just like,

01:07:05 ◼   ► you know, what they were calling it.

01:07:06 ◼   ► - No, it's like an entertainment industry group,

01:07:09 ◼   ► like people who make movies,

01:07:10 ◼   ► like the movie studios got together with the,

01:07:13 ◼   ► you know, the TV manufacturers and came up with this thing.

01:07:16 ◼   ► It is a specific trademarked thing.

01:07:19 ◼   ► It's kind of like, you know, Dolby Digital or whatever,

01:07:21 ◼   ► right, like it's not just individual things,

01:07:24 ◼   ► and it's always all caps, right?

01:07:26 ◼   ► And the idea behind filmmaker mode is a mode in television

01:07:30 ◼   ► where the television won't screw up the picture, basically.

01:07:33 ◼   ► No motion smoothing, no denoising, no over brightening,

01:07:36 ◼   ► no vibrance adding, no messing with the darks,

01:07:39 ◼   ► no changing the frame rate, no nothing.

01:07:42 ◼   ► Show it the way it is on the disc

01:07:45 ◼   ► or on the stream or whatever.

01:07:47 ◼   ► It's the most accurate picture mode,

01:07:49 ◼   ► you're not allowed to enable,

01:07:50 ◼   ► like that's in the standard filmmaker mode.

01:07:52 ◼   ► Sony, this TV does not have filmmaker mode.

01:07:56 ◼   ► So you have to basically make it yourself.

01:07:58 ◼   ► The custom setting, what they describe it as,

01:08:01 ◼   ► they say this is the most accurate blah, blah, blah,

01:08:03 ◼   ► but you still have to go through in custom mode

01:08:05 ◼   ► and turn off reality creation,

01:08:07 ◼   ► turn off CineMotion Pro blend, whatever.

01:08:11 ◼   ► (laughs)

01:08:12 ◼   ► What the hell, all these things.

01:08:13 ◼   ► All the Sony brand names for like, you know,

01:08:15 ◼   ► the denoise filtering, the sharpening,

01:08:18 ◼   ► like just gotta turn all that stuff off.

01:08:20 ◼   ► And by the way, don't forget,

01:08:22 ◼   ► you gotta do that for every input.

01:08:25 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

01:08:26 ◼   ► - I don't have that many inputs 'cause of the receiver,

01:08:28 ◼   ► but I did, my receiver confused me,

01:08:30 ◼   ► 'cause I should've read the manual for it first.

01:08:32 ◼   ► It had two HDMI outs.

01:08:34 ◼   ► It had one called main and one called sub.

01:08:36 ◼   ► I'm like, why does it have two?

01:08:37 ◼   ► I mean, I guess you can, so you can put two TVs,

01:08:39 ◼   ► but only one of them, like--

01:08:41 ◼   ► - Is the sub for HDMI ARC for sending to a sound bar

01:08:45 ◼   ► or similar?

01:08:46 ◼   ► - No, no, I forget which one supports eARC,

01:08:50 ◼   ► but it's not, that's a separate thing.

01:08:52 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, now there is a dedicated ARK/E-ARC port,

01:08:56 ◼   ► but in the receiver you can say,

01:08:59 ◼   ► one of the settings I found was like,

01:09:00 ◼   ► where do you wanna do Dolby Vision?

01:09:01 ◼   ► Do you wanna do it main or sub?

01:09:03 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, I can see it.

01:09:05 ◼   ► It's kind of like zone two, you know, zone two for the audio.

01:09:07 ◼   ► I think sub is like zone two for,

01:09:09 ◼   ► if you wanna have literally two televisions

01:09:11 ◼   ► showing two different things,

01:09:12 ◼   ► but only one of them can do Dolby Vision.

01:09:13 ◼   ► So I'm like, oh, forget it.

01:09:14 ◼   ► I'm just not connecting anything to sub.

01:09:15 ◼   ► It's just main.

01:09:16 ◼   ► - And just for the obvious thing here,

01:09:17 ◼   ► it does not have to subwoofer somehow?

01:09:19 ◼   ► I mean, I suppose--

01:09:20 ◼   ► - No, it's an HDMI port.

01:09:22 ◼   ► there is dedicated subwoofer ports.

01:09:24 ◼   ► - No, it wouldn't surprise me if there are subwoofers

01:09:27 ◼   ► that accept HDMI for some reason or something like that.

01:09:29 ◼   ► I'm right there with you, Marco.

01:09:31 ◼   ► I'm not saying that's what it is,

01:09:33 ◼   ► but I had the exact same thought.

01:09:34 ◼   ► - Does it only send the darkest parts

01:09:36 ◼   ► of the picture to that port?

01:09:38 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:09:38 ◼   ► - Right.

01:09:39 ◼   ► Yeah, there's a crossover setting you can change there.

01:09:43 ◼   ► So I just have main connected.

01:09:44 ◼   ► I don't have anything connected to sub,

01:09:46 ◼   ► but then I had two HDMI ports connected to it.

01:09:48 ◼   ► That was a little bit confusing.

01:09:50 ◼   ► So I had to set the settings in both places.

01:09:52 ◼   ► Doing this, having a television screen, a receiver, a Blu-ray player, an Apple TV box,

01:09:57 ◼   ► or whatever, there's a lot of fighting for what goes on on the screen.

01:10:02 ◼   ► Because every one of those devices has something they want to display on the screen that relates

01:10:07 ◼   ► to the configuration of that device.

01:10:09 ◼   ► The receiver, for example, can take over the whole screen with just its UI, which looks

01:10:14 ◼   ► kind of like early 2000s Web 2.0, kind of like lots of gradients and artwork showing

01:10:21 ◼   ► things or whatever and you can configure the receiver that way right.

01:10:26 ◼   ► The blu-ray player has like a menu system that's like it looks it looks older than the

01:10:32 ◼   ► receiver it looks like a very blurry low resolution web page incredibly slow animation like slower

01:10:39 ◼   ► than any computer has ever been at like moving the focus ring for one thing to the other

01:10:44 ◼   ► so slow that you would never want to use it so yeah my blu-ray player will do like amazon

01:10:48 ◼   ► Prime Video and Netflix or whatever, but you would never want to do anything. I

01:10:51 ◼   ► think it's so slow, so horrible. And then of course the receiver also has another

01:10:57 ◼   ► way to put UI up on the screen and it's the way, kind of reminds me of when like

01:11:01 ◼   ► Mac OS X was maybe public beta or maybe the developer preview, one of the

01:11:05 ◼   ► screenshots I included was like a picture of a Mac desktop or the desktop

01:11:10 ◼   ► background or the boot screen or something like about you know Mac OS X

01:11:13 ◼   ► and GUI, but with a bunch of Unix text coming down

01:11:18 ◼   ► the screen, blacking out, like the text is light text

01:11:22 ◼   ► on a black background, and everywhere there's text,

01:11:24 ◼   ► the line of text has like a black border around it, right?

01:11:27 ◼   ► It's just like, it's kinda, I'm not describing it well,

01:11:31 ◼   ► but it's as if Unix had come and scribbled over Mac OS.

01:11:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like when your in-flight monitor

01:11:36 ◼   ► on the back of the seat crashes and it starts rebooting,

01:11:38 ◼   ► it's Linux thing, and it starts spinning it

01:11:39 ◼   ► all over the screen.

01:11:40 ◼   ► - Right, but imagine that going over the Mac UI,

01:11:43 ◼   ► only blacking out the parts where the lines are.

01:11:45 ◼   ► So if it's a short line of text,

01:11:46 ◼   ► like a little short black that area or whatever,

01:11:49 ◼   ► that's what the receiver also has a mode

01:11:51 ◼   ► where it puts up like, it looks like a VCR

01:11:53 ◼   ► kind of on-screen display from like the late 80s, right?

01:11:57 ◼   ► Of like a fixed width font, very bit mappy or whatever.

01:12:00 ◼   ► It can put that on the screen as well

01:12:02 ◼   ► for a whole other set of features.

01:12:04 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:12:05 ◼   ► So everybody has a way to,

01:12:06 ◼   ► and the TV itself can do a bar at the bottom,

01:12:09 ◼   ► We could do multiple different bars at the bottom.

01:12:10 ◼   ► We could also do a full screen thing.

01:12:12 ◼   ► And of course, Apple TV does the full screen thing.

01:12:14 ◼   ► And there's a lot of UI going on.

01:12:15 ◼   ► I have not settled this down to the point

01:12:18 ◼   ► where I'm ready to explain to the family

01:12:21 ◼   ► how to use the new TV.

01:12:23 ◼   ► But the good thing about that is that I am now,

01:12:27 ◼   ► and hopefully by the time you hear this recording,

01:12:30 ◼   ► an HDMI CEC Unicorn.

01:12:31 ◼   ► 'Cause now everything--

01:12:32 ◼   ► - Oh, nice! - Everything in this setup

01:12:34 ◼   ► has been replaced except for the Apple TV and the TiVo.

01:12:37 ◼   ► and everything works.

01:12:41 ◼   ► If you pick up the Apple TV remote,

01:12:43 ◼   ► I know if you pick up the Apple TV remote,

01:12:45 ◼   ► everything's turned off.

01:12:46 ◼   ► Pick up the Apple TV remote, hit the power button on it,

01:12:48 ◼   ► turns TV on, switch to the Apple TV,

01:12:51 ◼   ► turns the receiver on, just everything works.

01:12:53 ◼   ► If you turn it off, turns everything off.

01:12:55 ◼   ► I didn't do anything.

01:12:55 ◼   ► The Apple TV remote can change the volume

01:12:58 ◼   ► and do everything like that.

01:12:59 ◼   ► The TV remote can control the volume

01:13:01 ◼   ► and can also control the Apple TV somehow

01:13:03 ◼   ► with like the four-way thing.

01:13:05 ◼   ► Everything just knows about each other

01:13:07 ◼   ► and everything works together, I'm just like,

01:13:08 ◼   ► don't touch anything.

01:13:09 ◼   ► I didn't do anything to set this up.

01:13:11 ◼   ► This is just the way it worked.

01:13:13 ◼   ► The only bad thing is occasionally, if you turn stuff on,

01:13:17 ◼   ► sometimes the TV wants to show its UI.

01:13:19 ◼   ► There's a setting that says, hey, when I turn on,

01:13:20 ◼   ► what do you want me to do?

01:13:21 ◼   ► And I said, show your last input,

01:13:22 ◼   ► don't go to the home screen.

01:13:23 ◼   ► But sometimes people like, they wanna use the TiVo,

01:13:25 ◼   ► which is the oldest device.

01:13:27 ◼   ► You'll turn the TiVo on, it'll turn everything on,

01:13:29 ◼   ► but it'll show the Google TV menu.

01:13:31 ◼   ► And you have to basically dismiss

01:13:33 ◼   ► the full screen Google TV menu.

01:13:34 ◼   ► It's on the right input, but you have to dismiss

01:13:35 ◼   ► to Google UI to get to the TiVo UI that's underneath it.

01:13:39 ◼   ► Kind of confusing, still working on it.

01:13:41 ◼   ► The reason I mentioned the receiver on-screen display,

01:13:44 ◼   ► like Linux crash thing or whatever,

01:13:47 ◼   ► is because that's the UI that you have to go to

01:13:51 ◼   ► to select the configuration that you saved with Dirac Live.

01:13:56 ◼   ► It's not in the Web 2.0 gradient illustrations

01:14:00 ◼   ► of RCA connector and speakers and stuff.

01:14:03 ◼   ► It's not there.

01:14:04 ◼   ► When you use the Mac app and you save it,

01:14:06 ◼   ► it's like saving a game on like N64.

01:14:09 ◼   ► It's like save this in slot one and you have three slots.

01:14:12 ◼   ► So I saved my configuration to slot one.

01:14:15 ◼   ► Then you have to use the weird Linux crash desktop UI

01:14:18 ◼   ► to select it from slot one.

01:14:19 ◼   ► And I didn't realize, like I'm trying to watch things.

01:14:22 ◼   ► I'm trying to watch shows, test things out,

01:14:24 ◼   ► make sure everything works, get the Apple TV

01:14:27 ◼   ► to output Dolby Vision 4K and everything like that.

01:14:31 ◼   ► And it's just a battle every step of the way

01:14:33 ◼   ► is you're like, what menu makes this possible?

01:14:35 ◼   ► Like you have to go into the receiver and say,

01:14:37 ◼   ► oh, do you want your output to be 4K or 4K enhanced?

01:14:40 ◼   ► Like why does 4K not enhanced exist?

01:14:42 ◼   ► Like change all the outputs to enhance.

01:14:45 ◼   ► Oh, now it can do Dolby Vision or whatever.

01:14:47 ◼   ► And we actually watched a television show.

01:14:50 ◼   ► I watched a television show in my wife's house,

01:14:51 ◼   ► watched the new TV or whatever.

01:14:52 ◼   ► Two things, one, it was a TV show

01:14:54 ◼   ► that we had started on Disney+ already.

01:14:56 ◼   ► Like not start to start, but I have a habit

01:14:59 ◼   ► where I will go to the next episode

01:15:01 ◼   ► and get it to like one second into the next episode

01:15:03 ◼   ► and pause it so that when we're ready

01:15:05 ◼   ► to watch the next episode, I don't have to do anything.

01:15:07 ◼   ► It's already ready to go to the next episode, right?

01:15:10 ◼   ► This is my way of avoiding the screen

01:15:11 ◼   ► where I can never find what I was watching.

01:15:13 ◼   ► So we had already started to watch this episode

01:15:16 ◼   ► of the show on Disney Plus,

01:15:17 ◼   ► but we started to watch it on the old TV,

01:15:20 ◼   ► which was not 4K and not HDR.

01:15:23 ◼   ► So we watched the whole episode on the new TV,

01:15:24 ◼   ► and I'm like, this doesn't look like it's HDR.

01:15:26 ◼   ► I'm like, well, maybe the show is in HDR.

01:15:28 ◼   ► It also doesn't look like it's 4K.

01:15:29 ◼   ► well, maybe this is not a 4K show or whatever.

01:15:32 ◼   ► We watched the whole episode,

01:15:33 ◼   ► when I'm watching it, the sound is wonky too.

01:15:35 ◼   ► I'm like, was my old surround just not configured well?

01:15:39 ◼   ► Does this sound like some of the channels

01:15:41 ◼   ► sound louder than they should be and the mix is weird?

01:15:43 ◼   ► Then it started playing the next episode

01:15:45 ◼   ► and it was 4K in HDR, I'm like whoa.

01:15:47 ◼   ► So apparently, because I had started the stream,

01:15:51 ◼   ► it just kept streaming the thing that it had been streaming

01:15:54 ◼   ► with Rustin for the new TV.

01:15:55 ◼   ► And the second thing is I figured out,

01:15:56 ◼   ► oh, I haven't selected slot one.

01:15:58 ◼   ► the D-Rack Live configuration.

01:16:01 ◼   ► And so I watched that show

01:16:02 ◼   ► with just on the default configuration,

01:16:04 ◼   ► which doesn't compensate for my room's weirdness,

01:16:07 ◼   ► and it sounded terrible.

01:16:08 ◼   ► So it took a few attempts to dial things in.

01:16:12 ◼   ► Once I enabled the D-Rack Live configuration slot,

01:16:14 ◼   ► I was like, oh, everything sounds way better.

01:16:17 ◼   ► And there's a lot of that with the different inputs

01:16:20 ◼   ► and making sure things are configured

01:16:21 ◼   ► and making sure everything is sending it

01:16:23 ◼   ► in the enhanced mode and making sure everything is set

01:16:26 ◼   ► to choose the best quality and it just got so many menus.

01:16:30 ◼   ► So I think I'm on, I did round one of fixing,

01:16:34 ◼   ► then I slept on it, did more internet research,

01:16:37 ◼   ► did round two of fixing, and I guess I'll do round three,

01:16:41 ◼   ► I don't know, like as I watch more things,

01:16:43 ◼   ► but I'm getting close, I'm getting close

01:16:45 ◼   ► to everything working correctly,

01:16:47 ◼   ► but things went pretty smoothly, I have to say.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Like there was no, other than not being able

01:16:51 ◼   ► to get on the wifi, everything eventually worked.

01:16:53 ◼   ► Oh, one more barrier was the TiVo remote.

01:16:56 ◼   ► I don't know if people remember the TiVo remotes,

01:16:57 ◼   ► but you could make the TiVo remote control

01:17:01 ◼   ► the power, volume, mute, blah, blah, blah

01:17:02 ◼   ► for your television.

01:17:03 ◼   ► And the way you do that is you have to type in

01:17:05 ◼   ► this four digit code for your remote.

01:17:07 ◼   ► It's like a universal remote code.

01:17:08 ◼   ► It lets it know how to talk to your TV.

01:17:11 ◼   ► And then the TiVo menu thing, you go through there

01:17:15 ◼   ► and you say, what brand of TV do you have?

01:17:16 ◼   ► And you pick and it says, okay, well,

01:17:17 ◼   ► it's gonna be one of these six codes

01:17:18 ◼   ► or one of these 12 codes.

01:17:20 ◼   ► Hold down these two buttons for five seconds to load.

01:17:23 ◼   ► where light comes on, then type the code,

01:17:24 ◼   ► and then try the power button, and just keep doing that.

01:17:27 ◼   ► I did that for all the codes, and none of them worked.

01:17:29 ◼   ► And then I'm like, well, this is a brand new TV,

01:17:31 ◼   ► let me search online.

01:17:32 ◼   ► I found a bunch more codes for Sony televisions,

01:17:34 ◼   ► typed them all in, none of them worked.

01:17:37 ◼   ► And then eventually one of them turned off the TV,

01:17:39 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, that one worked, okay,

01:17:40 ◼   ► but the volume seems wonky, so I tried some more codes.

01:17:43 ◼   ► Like, oh, none of those work either,

01:17:44 ◼   ► let me go back to the one that worked,

01:17:45 ◼   ► and then that one wouldn't work either.

01:17:47 ◼   ► That's when I started having the debugger,

01:17:51 ◼   ► the programmer debugger thinking, and I think,

01:17:53 ◼   ► all right, what explains this phenomena?

01:17:55 ◼   ► And of course it's like, replace the batteries.

01:17:57 ◼   ► And sure enough,

01:17:58 ◼   ► it's like depending on, like if I was an inch or two,

01:18:02 ◼   ► you know, like how far away I was from the television,

01:18:05 ◼   ► replace the batteries, and now like six of the codes work.

01:18:07 ◼   ► And so that problem is mostly solved,

01:18:09 ◼   ► the volume is still wonky,

01:18:10 ◼   ► but mostly I just need the power button to work.

01:18:11 ◼   ► But yeah, everything was pretty smooth.

01:18:13 ◼   ► There's a lot to explore on this TV.

01:18:15 ◼   ► I am never going to use the Blu-rays interface

01:18:17 ◼   ► except to play Blu-ray discs,

01:18:19 ◼   ► 'cause that thing is super janky.

01:18:21 ◼   ► I hope I never have to use the receiver interface once I get everything tuned in.

01:18:25 ◼   ► I did try my PlayStation 5 in it.

01:18:26 ◼   ► I tried to play Destiny in HDR 120 frames per second and it was pretty sweet, but not

01:18:33 ◼   ► sweet enough to burn in my OLED and actually not as good in PvP as my gaming monitor because

01:18:40 ◼   ► it helps for my old eyes to be really close and see everything in crisp pixels.

01:18:44 ◼   ► I'm really close to my 27-inch monitor and I'm like 10 feet away from my 65-inch TV.

01:18:49 ◼   ► So it looked real nice, but honestly, 120 frames per second versus 60, it doesn't affect.

01:18:56 ◼   ► My reflexes are too slow for that to make a difference.

01:18:59 ◼   ► The input, the lag difference or whatever, it's not going to save me.

01:19:03 ◼   ► And when you do 120, it drops it to 1080 in Destiny because the PlayStation 5 can't do

01:19:07 ◼   ► a 120 4K.

01:19:09 ◼   ► So I honestly prefer a 4K 60.

01:19:11 ◼   ► But anyway, the PS5 went back to the gaming monitor, but I did try that out.

01:19:14 ◼   ► I played Blu-rays, I played movies, I played a bunch of 4K HDR demo footage.

01:19:19 ◼   ► on YouTube, which was fun.

01:19:21 ◼   ► Oh, the other thing, I had heard about YouTube TV.

01:19:23 ◼   ► They're like, "Oh, hey, when you get a 4K TV,

01:19:25 ◼   ► "you should look at YouTube TV,"

01:19:26 ◼   ► which is one of those services that lets you

01:19:29 ◼   ► replace your cable with something that, in theory,