492: Umbrella Hammer Toadstool


00:00:00   - Oh, hang on, I forgot, hang on a second.

00:00:02   I gotta look me back in a moment.

00:00:04   - Where are you going?

00:00:05   - We just started.

00:00:06   - I know, I had to turn off the air conditioner.

00:00:08   I was looking at my levels and like,

00:00:09   why is there, why is there that little thing flipping?

00:00:11   - That's why Marco has eyes-a-tope, it's fine.

00:00:13   - No, I'm gonna go turn it off.

00:00:14   I always turn it off, I'll be back in a second.

00:00:16   - I know exactly how the air conditioner looks

00:00:17   in the frequency graph, 'cause it has this low mmm,

00:00:20   you know, whenever the compressor's running.

00:00:22   So, and you can see just this bright orange line,

00:00:26   right like at 60 hertz, mmm.

00:00:29   Oh, that's, and then you see it cycle on for a while,

00:00:32   and then it's off for a while,

00:00:33   and then it cycles back on.

00:00:35   (laughing)

00:00:38   - I'm back.

00:00:38   - Now, my brother-in-law and sister-in-law,

00:00:43   their air conditioner in their townhouse

00:00:45   like figuratively exploded the other day,

00:00:48   and they were lent a in-window, what do you call it,

00:00:53   AC unit like John has everywhere,

00:00:54   and they were saying in the defense of John Syracuse

00:00:58   and your ridiculous air conditioning setup

00:00:59   that the modern in-window units,

00:01:02   aside from the fact that it's put in the window

00:01:05   via duct tape and cardboard,

00:01:07   leaving that aside, they actually throw

00:01:09   a whole lot of very, very cold air.

00:01:11   - Oh, they're very strong.

00:01:13   They're super big and ugly and oftentimes loud

00:01:18   and nowhere near as efficient often as,

00:01:21   although actually the new ones

00:01:22   are actually pretty efficient,

00:01:23   but yeah, they do actually function

00:01:26   as air conditioners considerably well

00:01:29   if you're willing to let them.

00:01:31   - Oh, I have to warn you,

00:01:32   I've bought many in-window air conditioners.

00:01:35   There are definitely good ones and bad ones.

00:01:36   Like, it's hard to tell.

00:01:38   It's definitely not weight-based, I can tell you that,

00:01:40   because I have some very heavy ones

00:01:42   that are just not great.

00:01:45   I like, the one that's in our room now

00:01:47   is I think it was like a wire cutter picker or whatever,

00:01:49   and it is by far the most powerful,

00:01:51   but we have like, for example, the one in my son's room,

00:01:54   I got him like one of those quiet ones,

00:01:56   And it's quiet, but it's like one third as good

00:01:59   as the non-quiet one in terms of cooling.

00:02:02   So I guess it depends on what your priorities are.

00:02:05   - I don't know.

00:02:06   I still think, as we mentioned, I don't know,

00:02:08   it was a couple months ago I think that we went around

00:02:11   with Jon about this, but I still maintain

00:02:15   mini splits all the way, Jon.

00:02:16   - Yeah, frankly that is the best option.

00:02:18   - Oh, and you wanna destroy your house, sure.

00:02:21   - They're professionals, they do this for a living,

00:02:23   they're not gonna destroy your house.

00:02:24   - All the little people around here have them,

00:02:26   and you can see all the houses,

00:02:27   they look like something like an "Aliens" movie

00:02:29   with all the tubing going around

00:02:31   for the little refrigerant lines.

00:02:34   And then inside the house,

00:02:34   you got a bunch of giant things on your wall.

00:02:36   And there's no place for them on the inside of my walls,

00:02:38   and I don't want all the tubes on the outside.

00:02:40   And also, on top of that, on my stupid property,

00:02:42   there's not even any place for the fan thingy.

00:02:46   - You know there's also holes in your house

00:02:48   and stuff on your walls for electricity, right?

00:02:52   - No, there's one hole in my house for electricity,

00:02:55   and there's outlets on the wall that are very small

00:02:57   and in my house they're very sparse.

00:02:59   (laughing)

00:03:00   - I guess that's true, you don't have that many.

00:03:01   And you know, there's things like,

00:03:03   we've decided that it's nice to have water

00:03:05   and plumbing in the house,

00:03:06   and so we make a hole inside of the house

00:03:08   to allow pipes in.

00:03:09   We also have all these things in the house

00:03:11   that emit water, but--

00:03:13   - And my water and my gas come in underground,

00:03:16   so those are holes in the basement.

00:03:18   - There's still holes.

00:03:19   - But the mini splits, you gotta have a refrigerant line

00:03:22   going to wherever you have one.

00:03:24   I see them on people's houses, they look so bad.

00:03:26   Even when you try to paint them,

00:03:27   it just looks like a bunch of bulging veins

00:03:28   all over people's houses.

00:03:30   - I'm just saying, the point, you know,

00:03:32   we are willing to make exceptions

00:03:34   to the aesthetic purity of our houses

00:03:36   in order to achieve essential services.

00:03:39   So if you feel that cooling is an essential service--

00:03:42   - Amen, brother.

00:03:43   - I'm doing that with window units,

00:03:45   and I think it is less of a permanent damaging of the house,

00:03:49   and it does just fine.

00:03:51   - Oh my God.

00:03:54   Let's start with some follow-up. Let's talk about the M2 MacBook Air, which surprise surprise thermal throttles

00:03:59   But it's still better than M1 MacBook Air, which is pretty exciting

00:04:02   So there's been reviews actually the first shipments happened yesterday as we record we are recording on the evening of Saturday the 16th and

00:04:10   Some people were lucky enough to receive some of theirs. Although I haven't personally seen too much of that, but the reviews are up

00:04:16   Jason Snell, I'm sorry, just Jason at six colors put up a great review

00:04:22   There's a great review at the verge. I read a groupers review, which I thought was very very good as well

00:04:27   Just earlier today

00:04:29   So yeah, apparently it's pretty freaking great all things considered not as great as the m1 MacBook Air though

00:04:36   I mean

00:04:36   This is the thing we talked about

00:04:37   to the m2 MacBook Pro with all its weirdness being in the old case and having the touch bar and not having magsafe and

00:04:43   then we got on talking about the

00:04:45   Single chip SSD that's half the speed of when you have two chips and that's a problem

00:04:50   And of course the potential for thermal throttling there which still seems fuzzy to me.

00:04:55   But anyway, knockbook air is out now and in the reviews

00:04:57   It seems pretty clear that it throttles everybody who's done even the most casual tests and then what they're testing it against by the way

00:05:03   Is they're testing it against the m2 MacBook Pro

00:05:05   so it's basically like the same chip but with a fan and without a fan and

00:05:09   the one with a fan does better than the one without a fan on the same tests and

00:05:14   Thermal throttling is the obvious thing to blame and it makes sense. You know, one of them has a fan one of them doesn't

00:05:19   There was a teardown of the m2 MacBook Air and there's not much going on in there cooling for cooling other than like thermal pads

00:05:26   And stuff I just want to say like there's no magic inside there. There's not some exotic cooling solution

00:05:32   There's no liquid metal cooling like in the PlayStation 5. It's just thermal pads and stuff. And so yeah, it's a tougher a thermal environment

00:05:38   this is not what I think is a is an issue with the m2 MacBook Air because

00:05:42   If you're gonna have a machine that's going to sacrifice

00:05:45   you know, thermals for being fanless, make it this one,

00:05:50   because most people are never gonna thermal throttle

00:05:52   'cause they're not buying an M2 MacBook Air

00:05:54   so they can export 8K video on it, right?

00:05:56   Not what the machine is made for.

00:05:59   So I think this is exactly the right choice.

00:06:00   I would definitely prefer to have no fan

00:06:03   and have it thermal throttle on their max load

00:06:05   than the reverse, because there's the whole point

00:06:07   of the real MacBook Pro line, not the M2 MacBook Pro,

00:06:11   but the real whole point of that is those are the ones

00:06:13   that are bigger and thicker and have fans

00:06:14   and are high performance and blah, blah, blah.

00:06:16   And these ones, even though they're very powerful,

00:06:18   not intended for that purpose.

00:06:19   They're supposed to be slim and light

00:06:21   and fanlessness is an incredibly valuable feature to me

00:06:25   and I think most people like it.

00:06:26   And even if they don't even know about it,

00:06:28   even if they don't care that it's fanless,

00:06:29   it's just one less thing to go wrong.

00:06:31   Less cat hair, less bugs, less everything

00:06:34   that being sucked through that case all the time.

00:06:37   So I think that's great.

00:06:39   But the base storage is slow, right?

00:06:42   So it's only got the one chip

00:06:43   And so it's got the same gotcha as the M2 MacBook Pro.

00:06:46   And the M2 MacBook Pro has all sorts of reasons to avoid it.

00:06:48   The M2 MacBook Air would be nice if it didn't, but it does.

00:06:51   Don't buy the base model M2 MacBook Air

00:06:54   because it has very slow SSD

00:06:57   as compared to the one that has two chips, which is a shame.

00:07:00   - Well, I mean, I would clarify that.

00:07:02   Don't buy the base model storage

00:07:04   because it's not enough space.

00:07:05   - Yeah. - Yeah.

00:07:06   - It isn't like this is gonna feel like a hard drive.

00:07:07   It's not.

00:07:08   It's still one SSD and it's gonna be very, very fast

00:07:11   and you're not gonna really notice

00:07:12   unless you're doing some very specific things.

00:07:16   And if you are doing those specific things,

00:07:17   you probably need more space.

00:07:19   256 is very, very small.

00:07:21   It is likely to irritate you unless you know exactly

00:07:25   that you really don't need more than that.

00:07:27   If you are currently on a computer that has 256

00:07:31   and you are not slamming against it, then fine,

00:07:33   maybe you can have it.

00:07:34   But I would say for literally anybody else, get 512.

00:07:38   And in fact, if you have to,

00:07:41   I was listening to the Six Colors member special live stream

00:07:46   where Jason and Dan Morin were going through

00:07:48   different questions and I totally agree

00:07:51   with what their conclusion was.

00:07:52   First of all, you should become a Six Colors member

00:07:54   so you can hear this as well,

00:07:56   as well as other great content

00:07:57   and I love their subscriber podcast.

00:07:59   But anyway, if you can't afford to update the storage

00:08:04   to 512 on that low-end MacBook Air,

00:08:07   maybe get the M1 MacBook Air instead

00:08:10   and use the savings to get 512 on that.

00:08:12   That's how important that is

00:08:13   and how much of a pain in the butt

00:08:15   that is likely to be for you in the future.

00:08:16   'Cause you can't ever upgrade the storage.

00:08:18   You should get what you can now

00:08:20   because you don't really have a choice later

00:08:22   and 512 is what almost everybody should get at least.

00:08:26   - So related to this, I guess this is related

00:08:28   to both the M2 MacBook Pro and the M2 MacBook Air

00:08:32   because they both have the one chip

00:08:34   and they both suffer from the slow speeds because of it.

00:08:36   If you get the one chip model, the 256 gig SSD,

00:08:41   and you also get the base RAM, eight gigs of RAM,

00:08:45   when you do anything that pushes these machines into swap,

00:08:49   the slow SSD punishes the swapping much more so

00:08:52   in other computers.

00:08:52   So in a lot of the tests that I saw

00:08:54   in the MaxTech YouTube channel,

00:08:56   they would do the M2 MacBook Pro or M2 MacBook Air

00:09:01   versus another computer with similar specs

00:09:04   with the bigger SSD.

00:09:07   And they were very similar until you push one of them to swap.

00:09:10   And they were doing it by just opening Chrome tabs,

00:09:12   as most people would do.

00:09:12   And it didn't take much to push it into swap.

00:09:15   They'd say, OK, here it is without Chrome running,

00:09:16   and they're about the same speed.

00:09:18   And here it is with Chrome open with 10 tabs, which I don't

00:09:20   think is unreasonable, but that's me.

00:09:21   Well, you wouldn't.

00:09:23   But still, I feel like you could find yourself

00:09:25   pretty quickly in a situation where you have Chrome with 10

00:09:27   tabs open, and it just destroys performance.

00:09:29   Because as soon as you get close to swap,

00:09:31   now your performance is dependent on that SSD speed,

00:09:33   and the SSD is slower.

00:09:35   On top of that, Ars Technica review,

00:09:37   did I put the link in there?

00:09:38   I should put it in, anyway.

00:09:39   The Ars Technica review of the M2 MacBook Air

00:09:42   shows that even if you get the one terabyte model,

00:09:45   the SSD is slower in some circumstances

00:09:48   than the one in the M1 MacBook Air.

00:09:50   Why?

00:09:51   I don't know, but you can look at their tests, right?

00:09:53   It's slower in read, but it was faster in write.

00:09:55   And that doesn't make sense because there's two chips

00:09:58   in both of them, maybe they went to a different vendor,

00:10:00   maybe there's something else we don't know.

00:10:01   So the M1 MacBook Air, like we were praising that machine

00:10:05   to high heaven ages ago,

00:10:06   because it basically didn't have any downsides.

00:10:10   Now with the advent of the M2 MacBook Air,

00:10:12   the downside that it has is there's an alternative

00:10:14   with MagSafe, right?

00:10:16   So it has dimmed the shining light

00:10:18   of the M1 MacBook Air a tiny bit.

00:10:20   But beyond that, the M1 MacBook Air

00:10:22   is still a phenomenal machine.

00:10:23   So if you wanna save money, get that one.

00:10:26   Oh, and speaking of the SSDs,

00:10:28   so here's the official spokesperson.

00:10:30   So this is from The Verge, and The Verge

00:10:32   has a policy now of naming-- they

00:10:34   put the name of the person who speaks to them.

00:10:37   Do you remember when The Verge posted their thing,

00:10:38   like we have a new policy for the company?

00:10:40   No more on background.

00:10:41   Yeah, no more just saying Apple says.

00:10:43   That's a good policy.

00:10:45   I like that.

00:10:45   Yeah, but anyway, you get to know people's names now.

00:10:47   So here it is.

00:10:48   Apple spokesperson Michelle DeRio provided the following

00:10:51   statement on the SSD speed of the base model MacBook Air.

00:10:53   So this is Apple's spin on the fact

00:10:56   that they've got one chip in there, and it's slower.

00:10:59   Thanks to the performance increases of M2,

00:11:01   the new MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro

00:11:03   are incredibly fast, even compared to Mac laptops

00:11:05   with the powerful M1 chip.

00:11:07   These new systems use a higher density NAND

00:11:09   that delivers 256 gigabyte storage using a single chip.

00:11:12   While benchmarks of the 256 gigabyte SSD

00:11:14   may show a difference compared to the previous generation,

00:11:17   the performance of these M2-based systems

00:11:19   for real-world activities are even faster.

00:11:22   So what they're saying is--

00:11:23   - I love that those two things don't follow from each other.

00:11:26   - Well, they're saying it's smaller.

00:11:27   Look, it's higher density.

00:11:28   It's like, yep, it's one chip, now we get it, right?

00:11:31   But they're basically saying,

00:11:32   it's slower if you benchmark just the storage,

00:11:35   but if you do a real-world task, it's faster.

00:11:37   And that's borne out by most of the benchmarks.

00:11:39   If you compare the M2 MacBook Air

00:11:40   versus the M1 MacBook Air, if you don't push it to swap,

00:11:44   even if the M2 MacBook Air throttles,

00:11:46   it still usually tends to beat the M1 MacBook Air.

00:11:50   But the swap factor is the big thing.

00:11:52   Like, if you're not doing a disk benchmark,

00:11:54   like, oh, I don't care, I just wanna care

00:11:55   about real-world tasks.

00:11:56   but you might be doing a real-world task

00:11:58   while having literally anything else open,

00:12:00   or like you're waiting for a job to finish

00:12:02   and you're browsing the web

00:12:03   and it's slaughtering your performance,

00:12:04   making it significantly slower than the M1 model.

00:12:07   Something to think about.

00:12:08   So again, I don't think this is that big of a deal

00:12:12   because most people won't notice this.

00:12:14   If you only ever use it for email and web browsing

00:12:16   and sending people messages and stuff,

00:12:19   you're probably fine no matter what.

00:12:20   So don't freak out about this,

00:12:21   but for those in the know,

00:12:23   Do not get the base model of the M2 MacBook Air.

00:12:27   Do not get the base model of the M2 MacBook Pro or probably any model of the M2 MacBook

00:12:31   Pro unless you're really interested in battery life.

00:12:33   That's another thing that came up.

00:12:34   The M2 MacBook Pro does have bigger batteries, again, at the sacrifice of MagSafe and you

00:12:38   have a Touch Bar and yada yada.

00:12:39   And we'll talk a little bit more about the Touch Bar later, believe it or not.

00:12:42   There's Touch Bar news somehow.

00:12:45   It's important, I think, to put all this in context though.

00:12:48   These machines, this is Apple's cheapest series of laptops.

00:12:52   I guess I know they're still selling the old ones,

00:12:53   that's why I'm saying series, the MacBook Air series.

00:12:56   This is their cheapest series of laptops.

00:12:59   And to get significantly higher, pro-level stuff,

00:13:02   it does cost significantly more money.

00:13:04   So you're looking at something that's in the 1200

00:13:07   to 1500 dollar price range in most configurations

00:13:09   people are gonna be buying.

00:13:11   And when you compare that to the differences between

00:13:15   the low-end and high-end products 10 years ago,

00:13:18   or maybe even five years ago,

00:13:21   There were vast differences,

00:13:23   and you'd buy the low-end product,

00:13:24   and it would actually feel slow right from day one.

00:13:28   These machines are not like that.

00:13:30   The gap between how these feel and how they perform

00:13:35   in almost every task that almost everybody does,

00:13:38   between the base models of,

00:13:40   the cheapest MacBook Air you can get,

00:13:42   even the base model M1 version, even that,

00:13:45   or heck, let's hobble the SSD, the base model M2 version.

00:13:48   Okay, the cheapest model of that.

00:13:50   Compare that to the top of the line Mac Studio,

00:13:55   and in almost every kind of task that most people do,

00:13:59   you won't even feel a difference between those two products,

00:14:02   except one has a loud fan,

00:14:04   and the other one has a very small screen.

00:14:07   But otherwise, the difference between the low end

00:14:10   and the high end is pretty much not noticeable anymore

00:14:15   for a vast quantity of tasks.

00:14:17   And it isn't just like, you can't just say like,

00:14:21   oh well now, I'm a developer, so I will notice everything.

00:14:24   I must have the absolute highest everything,

00:14:27   maxed out everything, just so I can do my development work.

00:14:30   Nope, don't need it.

00:14:31   I mean, it helps, it might make certain things

00:14:33   a little bit faster, but the difference,

00:14:36   if you haven't used one of these M1 or M2 based machines yet

00:14:41   you might be overthinking how much these upgrades

00:14:45   will matter for you.

00:14:47   And in reality, these are so fast at almost everything,

00:14:52   you don't even know what you're in for.

00:14:53   Like you don't need, if you're like really stressing

00:14:57   about not being able to afford or justify

00:15:00   certain spec improvements, don't get them.

00:15:03   You probably don't need them.

00:15:04   Like, you know, storage space is one thing,

00:15:07   'cause that's something that you kinda can't, you know,

00:15:08   mess around too much with.

00:15:11   RAM is a little tricky because the SSD

00:15:16   and bus subsystems on these are so fast

00:15:18   that if you do have to swap here and there,

00:15:20   it's a lot less of a hit than it used to be

00:15:23   in terms of noticeability and performance

00:15:25   in most workloads.

00:15:26   And you only really need like the really high core count

00:15:30   Pro and Max chips or the really high core count GPUs

00:15:33   if you're doing workloads that really do stress

00:15:35   those things and most workloads don't.

00:15:38   Even things that we used to call Pro.

00:15:41   Like if you're doing photo editing, development work,

00:15:44   even a lot of types of video editing,

00:15:46   like maybe more casual style video editing,

00:15:49   most of that, you're not gonna notice much of a difference

00:15:52   between the cheapest laptop they sell

00:15:54   and the most expensive desktop they sell these days.

00:15:57   That's how great all these are.

00:15:59   So if you need to make a tough decision

00:16:01   about what specs or what model to get,

00:16:04   you kinda can't go wrong with any of these,

00:16:06   except the M2 MacBook Pro, don't get that.

00:16:07   But with the exception of pretty much

00:16:10   everything else, they're all great.

00:16:13   They're all amazing machines, they're all good dogs brand.

00:16:15   Even the very cheapest one of these laptops

00:16:18   is gonna be significantly better than you think it is.

00:16:22   - Although I would say the thing that some regular people do

00:16:26   like if you're doing anything that's like a batch job

00:16:27   like where you set it to do something

00:16:29   and it shows up progress where you go have dinner.

00:16:31   Like if you literally do anything like that ever,

00:16:34   depend if you get one of the ones with the single chip

00:16:37   and 8GB of RAM, it can end up being twice as slow as an M2 MacBook Air was with the

00:16:44   two chips because it's a disk-bound task or it pushes it into a swap.

00:16:48   Very easily, now if you don't have anything to compare that to, are you comparing it to

00:16:51   an Intel thing, yeah it'll still be fast.

00:16:52   But it is a shame to know that you buy this fancy new machine, especially if you're upgrading

00:16:56   from an M1 model or something and you expect it to be faster and it goes half the speed

00:16:59   because you're swapping and the SSD kills it.

00:17:02   So I would still keep that in mind.

00:17:04   If you ever do anything that has a progress bar that you're impatiently waiting for that

00:17:07   takes more than 10 minutes or whatever, and it's not that hard to do that.

00:17:11   You won't notice the difference while you're editing the video, you're in iMovie, you're

00:17:14   moving things around, everything's fine.

00:17:15   It's when you do export or send it to YouTube or whatever, that type of thing that takes

00:17:20   a while to run, you don't want that to run at half the speed of an M1 MacBook Air and

00:17:24   you could find yourself in that situation if you're not careful with the base config.

00:17:28   So I'll throw that in there.

00:17:29   Oh, and since you mentioned the Mac Studio and the fans, I just want to give you an update

00:17:31   on that. For people who haven't heard past episodes, I got the Mac Studio. I don't like

00:17:35   fan noise. I put it on the desk. I decided I could still hear the fan, so I bought this

00:17:40   3D printed plastic cage from Etsy that exactly fits the Mac Studio and I stuck it to the

00:17:45   underside of my desk. This is not my desk, this is my wife's desk. I stuck it to the

00:17:47   underside of her desk. And I have to say, that solution, it is 100% silent. Like, even

00:17:54   if I try really hard to hear the fan, I can't. If I'm sitting at the desk and literally everything

00:18:00   else in the entire neighborhood is quiet, not just everything in my house is quiet,

00:18:04   but anything in the neighborhood to be quiet, I can maybe pick it up.

00:18:08   So as we know, the Mac Studio, no matter what you do to it, the Mac Studio with the M1 Mac

00:18:14   strip in it, no matter what you do to it, the fans never get any faster, so it is effectively

00:18:19   silent.

00:18:20   So now it is not only silent, but also invisible, because it's not on my wife's desk anymore.

00:18:23   She just has the Apple Studio display with cables that go down the back, and a keyboard

00:18:27   and a mouse.

00:18:28   That's her whole computer.

00:18:29   iMac without the iMac inside. Stuck to the bottom of her desk is this little

00:18:33   thing but it's completely out of sight and out of mind so I'm pretty happy with

00:18:36   the solution. I was nervous about the 3d printed cage you know getting stress

00:18:42   fractures or cracking because I don't know you know how strong this 3d

00:18:44   printed plastic is so I did actually get some safety straps for the thing.

00:18:49   Sent by a listener to ADP especially since that's a place where my

00:18:55   dog goes she stays under there a lot like under that desk and just kind of

00:18:58   snoozes down there, I don't want a Mac Studio falling on her.

00:19:00   (laughing)

00:19:01   - That's a heavy thing.

00:19:02   - Two feet away, but yeah, anyway.

00:19:04   So I got some safety straps, I'll put a link in the show

00:19:06   on these things that listeners of the show sent me.

00:19:09   They're like perfect for this application.

00:19:10   I was wondering what I was gonna buy for this,

00:19:12   and I got these things, and they're absolutely perfect.

00:19:14   They're overkill, they're metal cables

00:19:16   with metal eyelets at the end.

00:19:18   But yeah, I just put a bunch of those across there

00:19:21   and screwed them in, so now I've got

00:19:23   belt and suspenders for that Mac Studio.

00:19:25   (laughing)

00:19:27   - All right, so to go back to the M2 MacBook Air,

00:19:30   you teased a little bit about a tear down.

00:19:32   So what was going on in Max Tech's tear down?

00:19:34   - They tore it down and what they do on that channel

00:19:37   always fascinates me because, yeah,

00:19:39   so they're gonna crack the machine open,

00:19:40   you know, it's a thing you do.

00:19:41   Like a lot of these things are not easy to take apart

00:19:45   or you take it apart once and that's it,

00:19:47   but they tore it apart before they did

00:19:49   their thermal testing.

00:19:50   It's like, do the thermal testing first.

00:19:52   You're invalidating all of your work, why?

00:19:55   'Cause now all you're doing is testing

00:19:56   how well you put the thing back together.

00:19:58   And let me tell you, when you take this thing apart

00:20:00   and strip it down to like,

00:20:01   so you can see the M2 chip on there,

00:20:04   it's never going back to the way it was.

00:20:06   If you look at how it is,

00:20:07   like the motherboard is covered with this,

00:20:09   covered on like both sides with a full length,

00:20:11   like thermal pad sticker with thicker thermal pads

00:20:14   in different places,

00:20:15   plus, you know, thermal paste on top of the M2.

00:20:19   It's a mess in there.

00:20:20   But anyway, you should watch the tear down video

00:20:22   if you wanna see what it's like

00:20:24   and why you should never do what they did.

00:20:26   It's just, you know, but like I said, it's not exotic.

00:20:29   It's thermal pads.

00:20:30   Have you ever seen the little pads

00:20:31   that use them in the consoles a lot, right?

00:20:33   It's fairly cheap.

00:20:34   It's just some material that spreads the heat

00:20:35   and it spreads it to these little metal plates

00:20:37   that are inside there.

00:20:38   There may be like a very thin vapor chamber thing,

00:20:41   but according to their tests,

00:20:42   when you look at it with like one of those IR cameras,

00:20:45   the heat spreader is not spreading the heat much.

00:20:46   The heat, the hotspot on the thermal camera is the M2

00:20:51   and it spreads a little bit or whatever.

00:20:53   So, but that seems to be adequate

00:20:55   for it to do okay thermal throttling

00:20:58   on the other extreme conditions,

00:20:59   and I think that's fine for their lowest end laptop,

00:21:02   and I definitely appreciate it not having a fan.

00:21:05   Oh, and then one more thing they found in the teardown

00:21:07   is they found what they say,

00:21:09   I haven't confirmed this or anything,

00:21:10   but they found what they think is an ultra wideband chip

00:21:13   in the M2 MacBook Air.

00:21:14   And I think that would be the first

00:21:17   ultra wideband chip in a Mac.

00:21:19   Do you recall for that one?

00:21:21   - I thought all of the Apple Silicon Series models had one,

00:21:24   but I could be misremembering.

00:21:26   - Well, anyway, I don't think there's any application

00:21:29   for ultra wideband in the Mac yet.

00:21:32   Like unlike the phones where they have the thing

00:21:35   where you could be close to somebody

00:21:37   and the airdrop and stuff, like whatever they made up

00:21:39   before the AirTags were out.

00:21:41   Yeah, so this makes me think of the previous rumor

00:21:45   about AirPods, you know, going away from Bluetooth

00:21:47   and moving to ultra wideband for audio

00:21:49   for a bunch of reasons.

00:21:50   It'll be, you know, better, more efficient, lower power,

00:21:53   better bandwidth for lossless audio,

00:21:55   and hopefully better in all the ways that Bluetooth is bad.

00:21:59   So we'll see, we'll see if anything comes of that,

00:22:02   but just throw that out there,

00:22:04   we'll probably follow up in the coming months

00:22:07   if whether there really is an ultra wide matchup.

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00:24:09   Tell me about what happens when somebody changes their phone number this was based on an ask ATP from last week

00:24:17   if I'm not mistaken.

00:24:19   - Yeah, that was my frustration at having

00:24:21   lots of contact info for people,

00:24:23   but then when I initiate a form of contact,

00:24:26   say for example, I want to share a funny thing

00:24:28   that I see on the web with the share.

00:24:29   You know, I'm on my phone and I wanna use

00:24:31   a little share icon, the box with the arrow pointing up,

00:24:33   and I go share, and if the person I wanna share to

00:24:37   isn't in the recent ones, like the little thing

00:24:39   that shows their face and like messages or whatever,

00:24:41   I have to hit the messages icon

00:24:42   and then you have to type their name,

00:24:43   so I wanna share it with my son,

00:24:44   and he's not visible in the recent,

00:24:46   So I hit messages, I type the first few letters of his name

00:24:49   and it auto completes to his name.

00:24:50   And next to his name is his phone number.

00:24:52   And I never want to send him messages to his phone number.

00:24:55   I always want to send them to his Apple ID.

00:24:58   And no matter how many times I go over to that line

00:25:00   and click the little chevron and go pick the Apple ID

00:25:02   and then send the message to his app.

00:25:03   No matter how many times I override the default

00:25:05   that it's sending to me, next time I do it,

00:25:08   I type the first few letters of his name,

00:25:09   shows his phone number.

00:25:10   So people had some theories about how to fix that.

00:25:12   So first, here's an Apple document

00:25:15   that explains, tries to explain something

00:25:18   that sounds like what it is, but it's not.

00:25:19   So this document, which I'll put a link in the show notes,

00:25:22   it says to change the default phone number

00:25:24   or email address for a contact method,

00:25:26   touch and hold the button for that method

00:25:27   below the contact's name,

00:25:28   and tap a selection in the list.

00:25:31   This is in the contact card,

00:25:32   like if you're in the contacts app

00:25:34   or any place that shows the contacts card,

00:25:35   you see the person and their name,

00:25:37   and then you see these little icons,

00:25:38   messages, call, FaceTime, mail, pay,

00:25:40   with the little, you know, right?

00:25:42   If you tap and hold on those,

00:25:44   Like if you tap and hold on messages,

00:25:45   you see all the ways you can message them.

00:25:46   You can message them with your Apple ID,

00:25:48   you can message them with their phone number, whatever.

00:25:50   And they say, oh, pick one of those,

00:25:52   and that will set the default.

00:25:53   But all it actually does is set the default

00:25:56   for the next time you're on this specific screen

00:25:59   and you tap messages without holding them.

00:26:00   - Oh, no.

00:26:01   - That doesn't help me.

00:26:02   I'm not on this screen, right?

00:26:04   I'm, you know, I hit share messages,

00:26:07   then type the first few letters of their name

00:26:08   and see that it is autocompleted

00:26:10   to my son and his phone number.

00:26:12   So that's frustrating.

00:26:14   Jen Gobble had another theory.

00:26:16   According to a friend at Apple, iMessage picks the way

00:26:19   you contact people via each person's iMessage pref.

00:26:22   If you have your phone number in this,

00:26:23   and I have your phone number and email

00:26:25   and my contact card for you,

00:26:26   then iMessage will address it to the phone number.

00:26:28   So this is the thing where if you go

00:26:30   on the Mac version of messages,

00:26:31   and you go to the preferences,

00:26:32   it says start new conversations from, right?

00:26:35   And you can pick where do you want

00:26:36   to start new conversations from.

00:26:38   But that does not, I mean, this may be true,

00:26:41   but A, it doesn't make a lot of sense,

00:26:43   and B, it doesn't really help me.

00:26:44   So it doesn't make a lot of sense

00:26:45   because what you're saying with that preference is,

00:26:46   when I message other people,

00:26:49   who do they see the message coming from?

00:26:51   Like, you can pick, whenever I message somebody,

00:26:54   I want it to be sent through my phone number

00:26:57   so that what they will see is a message

00:26:59   from my phone number.

00:26:59   Or you can say, I wanna start new conversations

00:27:02   from my Apple ID, and so when they see the message coming in

00:27:05   they'll see it coming from my Apple ID.

00:27:07   That's for me sending outgoing messages, right?

00:27:09   That's who it appears to be coming from.

00:27:12   But what I wanna control is how I send it to the person.

00:27:16   And this theory is that the only way to get it to work

00:27:19   is I'd have to go to my son's phone

00:27:21   and change his preference to say,

00:27:23   start new conversations from your Apple ID

00:27:26   instead of from your phone number.

00:27:28   And that seems weird to me that on my phone,

00:27:30   when I hit share and I hit messages

00:27:32   and I type my son's name,

00:27:34   that the only way for me to tell my phone

00:27:36   to pick his Apple ID is to go to his phone

00:27:39   and tell him to change it to Apple ID when he sends to me.

00:27:43   So I really hope that's not true.

00:27:44   I suppose I'll try it and if it fixes the problem,

00:27:46   then I will, 'cause my son probably doesn't care

00:27:48   what he sends his conversations from.

00:27:51   But this is all very confusing and it gets back

00:27:53   to the larger issue, which is contacts.

00:27:56   You can have many things in each category,

00:27:58   many email addresses, many phone numbers,

00:28:00   someone and so forth, and there is apparently no way

00:28:03   in contacts to tell it.

00:28:05   These are the, this is the priority order.

00:28:07   These are old ones, these are new ones.

00:28:09   It's just a completely unordered stew.

00:28:11   Sometimes, I don't know if you've done this thing,

00:28:12   but like, I delete all of them and re-add them

00:28:14   in the order that I want them to be.

00:28:16   Just crossing my fingers at the order that they display

00:28:18   in the contact card has some meaning,

00:28:20   but it probably doesn't, let's be honest.

00:28:22   - So to back up way to the beginning,

00:28:24   and perhaps I missed something, I'm sorry,

00:28:25   but why is it such a travesty to send something

00:28:29   to Alex's phone number?

00:28:30   Because you can send something to my phone number

00:28:33   or my Apple ID email address,

00:28:34   and they both end up in the same spot as far as I'm concerned.

00:28:37   Like they don't always end up in the same spot.

00:28:39   So the reason you want to send to an Apple idea is a good question though.

00:28:41   The reason why I sent,

00:28:42   why I want to send you an Apple ID instead of a phone number is not everybody

00:28:45   has their max set up to receive messages sent to their phone number.

00:28:50   And even if you do have it set up to do that,

00:28:53   I think your phone needs to be nearby for it to work. Is that correct? No, no,

00:28:56   no, no. You're thinking of SMS,

00:28:57   like the SMS relay thing that was introduced many, many years ago.

00:29:00   So if you receive an SMS from an Android person or from your bank,

00:29:05   it's like two factor that does need to be set up explicitly.

00:29:09   And I always forget how to do it.

00:29:10   I wrote actually a blog post about it way, way, way back when this was new. But,

00:29:13   um, but that your phone does need to be nearby, I think.

00:29:17   And that actually might've changed since the feature was new.

00:29:19   But anyway, there's still a settings in them and Mac messages that says, Hey,

00:29:23   where do you want to receive messages from on this Mac?

00:29:26   And not everybody has their phone number checked off.

00:29:28   So they might just have their Apple ID.

00:29:29   You always have your Apple ID checked off

00:29:31   because when you sign in with your Apple ID

00:29:33   and create an account on your Mac,

00:29:35   I think that there's no way to stop that.

00:29:37   But you might not have your phone number checked.

00:29:39   So I don't want to be in a situation

00:29:41   where I send a message where he's on his Mac

00:29:43   and he doesn't see it.

00:29:43   It shows up on his phone,

00:29:44   but his phone is over on the bed and he hasn't looked at it

00:29:46   and he doesn't see it on his Mac.

00:29:47   So if I send him the Apple ID,

00:29:48   I know no matter where he is, it's going to show up.

00:29:51   - I mean, I guess, but I can't think of anyone I know

00:29:55   who has that situation.

00:29:57   - I have very frequently found when I go to my preferences

00:30:00   that it is not set.

00:30:02   And I don't remember un-setting it,

00:30:03   so it must be, I don't know if it's something to do

00:30:05   with upgrading OS's or like who knows

00:30:07   what makes that become un-set.

00:30:09   Who can, but like, you know, I'm always on,

00:30:12   you know, you don't have to do anything

00:30:13   to be on your Apple ID.

00:30:14   Your Apple ID is your Apple ID

00:30:16   and it is everywhere that you were assigned

00:30:17   to your Apple ID and that makes perfect sense.

00:30:18   But your phone number is tied to your phone

00:30:20   and your Mac is not a phone, at least not yet.

00:30:22   - Yeah, I get that.

00:30:23   I think this is one of those cases,

00:30:25   and I should not be throwing stones on this,

00:30:26   but it's one of those cases where I think you're fretting

00:30:28   about something that's not really an issue.

00:30:29   - No, it's happened, it's actually happened.

00:30:31   That's why I'm obsessed with this,

00:30:33   because it's like, I'm sending you a message,

00:30:34   why aren't you responding?

00:30:35   It's like, oh, I didn't see them, they're just on my phone.

00:30:36   I'm like, but you're on your Mac, weren't you?

00:30:37   It's like, yeah, but I didn't see them there.

00:30:39   And then you find out why not, and you go,

00:30:40   and it says, it's just not the, anyway.

00:30:43   - If it's only happened with people that,

00:30:45   at least for the next month or so, are living in your house,

00:30:47   may I suggest an easier solution,

00:30:49   which would be to march up to his MacBook Air

00:30:51   and just fix it for him?

00:30:53   - I know, I do that on my own, I do that on my own, Max.

00:30:55   I'm gonna go look right now, everybody launch messages.

00:30:57   - All right, well, all right, hold on.

00:30:59   - And go to see in preferences where it says

00:31:01   that you're set to receive messages from.

00:31:03   All right, it is checked online,

00:31:04   although one of my Apple IDs is not checked.

00:31:07   Do you have three Apple IDs listed

00:31:09   for each one of your Apple IDs?

00:31:10   At Mac, at me, and at iCloud?

00:31:12   - I have, at iCloud, I have at me,

00:31:15   I have my third party email that is basically my Apple ID,

00:31:20   and then I also have my phone number.

00:31:22   So I have my phone number, iCloud, me, and my domain.

00:31:27   - Yeah, I also have all of those things.

00:31:29   - You don't have that Mac?

00:31:30   - No, my Apple idea I think was created after .Mac

00:31:34   'cause I joined during the MobileMe era.

00:31:36   - Mm, that's interesting.

00:31:38   - But yeah, but I mean, I have never had,

00:31:40   in all of the Macs I've owned,

00:31:42   and granted it's been quite a bit fewer than you,

00:31:44   but in all the Macs I've owned,

00:31:45   I've never, to my recollection,

00:31:48   had that setting just magically uncheck itself.

00:31:51   So far be it for me to argue with your experience,

00:31:54   but this is not a problem that I have seen

00:31:57   in my personal day-to-day.

00:31:59   - And the other thing, now that I'm looking at this thing,

00:32:00   is, oh, well, you don't have to worry about that,

00:32:02   because even if they just get it on their phone,

00:32:03   if you have iMessages in the cloud set,

00:32:05   it'll show up on their Mac anyway.

00:32:06   It's like, yeah, maybe, eventually.

00:32:10   I have to say that iMessages in the cloud,

00:32:12   it is, has not up to the standards of,

00:32:15   let's say, iCloud Photo Library,

00:32:16   in terms of reliably and quickly syncing changes.

00:32:21   I mean, to the message's credit is the only application

00:32:26   that I'm aware from Apple that has a sync now button,

00:32:28   but I can also tell you from experience

00:32:29   that when you click that sync now button,

00:32:31   boy, you're in for a wait, and there's no progress bar.

00:32:34   Of course.

00:32:35   - All right, and then finally for follow up,

00:32:38   tell me about IPsec and whether or not

00:32:40   it's required for IPv6, please.

00:32:42   - This is from Brian Peterson who pointed to

00:32:44   some information, but I just pulled from Wikipedia

00:32:46   because it says it succinctly,

00:32:47   IPsec was a mandatory part

00:32:49   of all IPv6 protocol implementations,

00:32:51   and the Internet key exchange was recommended.

00:32:53   But with RFC 6434,

00:32:55   the inclusion of IPsec and IPv6 implementations

00:32:57   was downgraded to a recommendation

00:32:59   because it was considered impractical

00:33:01   to require full IPsec implementation

00:33:02   for all types of devices that may use IPv6.

00:33:05   And Squoze it on Twitter,

00:33:07   you know, says it in a slightly different way.

00:33:09   IPsec is quote-unquote mandatory in IPv6

00:33:12   in the sense that everything running IPv6

00:33:14   must be capable of supporting it,

00:33:15   but that doesn't mean all IPv6 traffic

00:33:17   automatically uses IPsec.

00:33:19   It must still be explicitly configured between two hosts.

00:33:21   So it seems like this is a thing they wanted to do

00:33:23   and they had it in the original RSC,

00:33:24   but then backed off because probably people complained,

00:33:26   like, oh, even for my whatever, you know,

00:33:29   smart home toaster I gotta use IPsec,

00:33:31   we're using TLS for everything.

00:33:32   Why do you need to use IPsec?

00:33:33   Seems overkill.

00:33:34   So now it is not mandatory everywhere,

00:33:36   as of like what now?

00:33:37   As of like 2011 or something, it's not mandatory.

00:33:39   It is just you have to support it,

00:33:42   but it doesn't mean that you have to use it

00:33:43   for all of your communications.

00:33:45   And everyone cited TLS, basically, HTTPS,

00:33:48   that you see on your URLs, as the predominant way

00:33:51   that information is encrypted in transit.

00:33:53   And having IPVStack on top of that

00:33:55   just probably seems like overkill

00:33:56   and requires too much of the people implementing

00:33:59   their smart toasters, I suppose.

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00:35:27   - So apparently, if you have a Touch Bar Mac,

00:35:35   which in and of itself, I'm sorry,

00:35:38   If you put an AirPlay button on your touch bar,

00:35:42   you can expect that your networking

00:35:45   will just kind of pause periodically, always.

00:35:49   What is going on here?

00:35:51   - This is a good article of someone debugging a problem

00:35:53   they were having and tracking it down

00:35:55   to this thing that's in the touch bar

00:35:56   that periodically checks for stuff on the network.

00:36:00   I'm not a network expert.

00:36:01   My question with all these things is like,

00:36:03   all right, so this kills this person's network.

00:36:05   Will it kill everybody's network?

00:36:06   when I say kill, I mean make everything slower

00:36:09   than it would otherwise be.

00:36:10   'Cause it seems like what it's doing,

00:36:12   yeah, it's being wasteful

00:36:13   and it's constantly checking for a thing.

00:36:14   It's like the AirPlay button,

00:36:16   and it's like looking for things that it can AirPlay to.

00:36:18   Any kind of thing where you have polling,

00:36:20   where something is saying,

00:36:21   what's around here that I can AirPlay to?

00:36:23   What's around here that I can AirPlay to?

00:36:24   What's around here that I can AirPlay to?

00:36:25   That's polling, right?

00:36:26   That's not good, it's inefficient,

00:36:28   and it's inefficient for the thing

00:36:30   that is asking the question constantly,

00:36:31   and it's inefficient for your network,

00:36:33   'cause there's constantly a pulse going out,

00:36:35   messages going out saying,

00:36:36   hey, who's out there, who's out there

00:36:37   that I can AirPlay to, right?

00:36:39   But it doesn't seem like that should make

00:36:41   your network performance so incredibly awful

00:36:43   that you notice it.

00:36:44   So maybe there's something else bad with the network,

00:36:46   but I just thought this was an interesting story

00:36:47   just because the touch bar, everybody's favorite thing,

00:36:51   is still out there causing problems for people

00:36:54   who probably just wanna use it as a row of function keys.

00:36:57   And I just wanted to bring this to people's attention

00:37:00   because it's the type of problem

00:37:01   that most people would never figure out.

00:37:03   Like it takes a fairly heroic level.

00:37:04   You can look at the article here.

00:37:07   It takes a fairly heroic level of debugging

00:37:09   to track it down to something in your touch bar

00:37:11   because that's not what you're thinking

00:37:13   when you're like, why is my network slow?

00:37:14   And you're checking everything you can think of.

00:37:16   You're not looking at what buttons

00:37:18   are in my touch bar right now.

00:37:19   But the solution is just to not have that AirPlay thing

00:37:22   in your touch bar and then it solves this problem.

00:37:24   But I thought this was funny and also,

00:37:27   hey, if you have a touch bar

00:37:28   and you're having network difficulties,

00:37:29   or put it this way, if you have a touch bar

00:37:31   and you never use that AirPlay button,

00:37:32   remove it just in case.

00:37:34   - It's a good thing they're not making any more, oh wait.

00:37:37   - Well, don't worry, they're constantly updating Touch Bar

00:37:40   and improving it, so.

00:37:41   - All right, Apple in the last couple of weeks

00:37:46   apparently patented a dual Pro stand

00:37:49   for Studio Display and Pro Display XDR users.

00:37:52   And in a way, this is like kind of exactly for me,

00:37:57   because if you recall, I had my semi beloved LG 5K

00:38:03   that I hate yet love.

00:38:05   I love hate.

00:38:06   Anyway, I had that, then I got the studio display

00:38:08   and I currently have the studio display

00:38:12   sitting directly in front of me.

00:38:14   And then off to my right with the screen angled

00:38:17   at about a 45 degree angle, I have the LG 5K.

00:38:20   And it is sitting on a single stand

00:38:23   that is just sitting on top of the desk

00:38:26   because I still have my glass desk,

00:38:28   which eventually I will replace.

00:38:29   But one way or another, I didn't really trust

00:38:32   a clamp onto glass without,

00:38:34   I just didn't think that was a good idea.

00:38:35   So I have this kind of meh freestanding stand,

00:38:40   which I will put a link in the show notes

00:38:41   if you're interested.

00:38:42   Again, it is meh.

00:38:43   It is very much the LG 5K of stands,

00:38:46   but one way or another--

00:38:48   - It's ultra fine.

00:38:51   - It is extremely, extremely fine.

00:38:53   But anyway, but this Pro Stand,

00:38:56   excuse me, dual Pro Stand that Apple seems to have patented

00:39:00   looks like a kind of similar thing, but with mine there's a single stand and a post that comes up,

00:39:06   and then off of that single post are two arms that hold up the screens. This is kind of the opposite,

00:39:12   actually. It's two posts, one at each end, and then a connecting rod, if you will, between them.

00:39:17   But what's very interesting is because if you look at the MacRumors post, well I'm saying post a lot

00:39:23   all of a sudden, but anyway if you look at the MacRumors article, there's this, you know, straight

00:39:28   crossbar between the two vertical posts, the two supports. And I thought to myself, "Well,

00:39:33   that doesn't do what I want it to do because I want it kind of at an angle. I want the

00:39:38   one screen directly in front of me and then perpendicular to my face, and then I want

00:39:42   the other one at a 45-degree angle." And as you scroll down, hey, sure enough, right in

00:39:45   the middle of the horizontal support, you can bend it. So if I were to get myself a

00:39:50   second studio display, which I totally if not considered, no, of course not, why would

00:39:54   would I do such a silly thing,

00:39:56   I could pair it potentially with this very fancy schmancy

00:40:00   pro stand, dual pro stand, which looks very cool

00:40:02   and I'm sure is super cheap.

00:40:04   - With the disclaimers that patents don't often

00:40:06   result in products, I think this,

00:40:10   there is no way in heck that KC would ever get this

00:40:13   because the stand itself would probably cost $2,500.

00:40:17   - You're so right, you are so right.

00:40:19   - It's like only 2,000 'cause it's like two regular

00:40:22   thousand dollar stands.

00:40:23   - Oh my gosh.

00:40:24   - So this looks a lot like patents that come out

00:40:28   after they've already decided not to make it.

00:40:31   So it's like several years ago,

00:40:32   they're making the Pro Display XDR

00:40:33   and they have a bunch of ideas for stands.

00:40:35   And this is one of the ideas.

00:40:36   And they just said, actually,

00:40:37   we're not gonna make this one,

00:40:38   we're just gonna make a regular stand,

00:40:39   we'll charge $1,000 for it, here's the XDR.

00:40:41   And that's what they decided to do.

00:40:42   But then eventually it's like,

00:40:43   but we did think about and design this double stand,

00:40:46   so eventually the patent goes out.

00:40:47   We should still patent it,

00:40:48   'cause that's what companies do,

00:40:49   'cause patents are dumb and they have to patent everything.

00:40:51   So they patent it and it comes out,

00:40:54   but it's like, by the time you're seeing the patent,

00:40:56   it's a product they long ago decided not to make,

00:40:59   which I think was a wise decision

00:41:00   because to Marco's point, this would cost so much money,

00:41:03   as evidenced by the single stand that costs $1,000.

00:41:06   Can't imagine what this even fancier double stand would cost.

00:41:09   And it's kind of like the situation with my TV

00:41:11   where Casey's ugly central stand thing,

00:41:15   you can have your two monitors extending out pretty wide

00:41:19   and you've just got one stand in the middle.

00:41:20   These things, it's like soccer goalposts.

00:41:23   Your desk needs to be as wide as your two displays

00:41:26   so that the feet, because the feet are all the way

00:41:28   at the edges, the feet aren't in the middle

00:41:30   of the two monitors, the feet are at the far edges

00:41:33   of the monitor, the left monitor of the foot

00:41:34   is at the left edge of that monitor,

00:41:36   the right monitor of the foot is at the right edge

00:41:38   of that monitor, so you need to have a desk that wide,

00:41:41   and then you need those feet, those feet are like,

00:41:43   'cause if you do do it on an angle,

00:41:44   those feet are kind of toed in,

00:41:48   just look at your desk and think of where those feet

00:41:49   would be and think of what, maybe you have speakers there,

00:41:52   or maybe you have, like, they're taking up desk space.

00:41:54   The good thing about a central stand

00:41:56   with just the one thing is,

00:41:58   yeah, you've got a foot in front of you,

00:41:59   but it's right in front of you

00:42:01   and you can put stuff on top of it

00:42:02   and you can still have stuff flanking it.

00:42:05   This is not, I don't think this is a good design

00:42:07   for a stand and if you read the patent filings,

00:42:09   the things they talk about,

00:42:10   like what are the features of this,

00:42:11   why is this patentable or, you know,

00:42:13   what's good about this?

00:42:15   And they say some things that I guess appeal

00:42:18   to people's sense of precision,

00:42:20   like well you can just have two stands

00:42:22   or something like Casey's,

00:42:23   but it's hard to get the monitors

00:42:24   exactly even with each other.

00:42:26   And if you adjust one,

00:42:27   and you have to adjust the other one

00:42:28   to be exactly the same.

00:42:29   I think the idea with this is they move as a unit, right?

00:42:32   So that you don't have to,

00:42:34   like if you wanted them to be higher or lower,

00:42:36   if you raise and lower,

00:42:37   they both go up and down exactly the same amount.

00:42:40   They're both always perfectly aligned,

00:42:41   and they're never crooked,

00:42:43   and don't meet it the right way or whatever.

00:42:45   Is that a big deal?

00:42:46   If you have a traditional stand,

00:42:48   you can probably just move them so they're both the way you want them and then you probably

00:42:50   never touch them again and it's fine.

00:42:51   But again, this is a product they didn't make and I hope they never make because it seems

00:42:56   like it's not a great idea but boy I like to think that, I mean I'm going to say they're

00:43:01   over there.

00:43:02   The time spent making this stand, I wish they had spent it getting the Apple Studio display

00:43:07   out sooner or trying to source better cameras for it.

00:43:11   It's always easy to look at the things.

00:43:14   They try lots of different things, but this looks pretty detailed for a product that didn't

00:43:19   come out.

00:43:20   And it's like, oh, that was kind of like a dead end where you wasted some time looking

00:43:23   into something and decided to bail on it.

00:43:25   I'm glad they bailed on it, but I'm kind of sad that they even spent as much time as it

00:43:29   was required to make this patent.

00:43:31   You know, you were saying a minute ago, where would the two uprights go?

00:43:36   It is worth noting that the way I have my particular setup, the stand, the support for

00:43:43   for my two monitors is basically in the back right corner

00:43:46   of the desk.

00:43:47   So the LG 5K, it crosses the edge of my desk

00:43:51   about halfway down the LG 5K.

00:43:54   So the right half of the LG 5K is effectively floating

00:43:58   over nothing.

00:43:58   So in this case, it didn't even occur to me

00:44:01   until you said something.

00:44:02   But in this case, I would be putting the right hand stand

00:44:05   on thin air, which would probably not work too well.

00:44:08   So this is perhaps not for me,

00:44:11   even leaving aside the fact, as Marko so astutely pointed out,

00:44:15   that this will be a trillion dollars.

00:44:17   - Yeah, well, it would be if they made it.

00:44:19   I don't think they would. - Yeah, exactly.

00:44:20   - It's just like my stupid TV stand.

00:44:21   I don't have enough room for a wide piece of furniture

00:44:24   for my television to go on,

00:44:25   so the right and left edges of my television,

00:44:27   they're floating over the ground, right?

00:44:29   And they have a central stand.

00:44:31   Any stand that has feet at the extremities

00:44:33   just assumes everybody has a very, very wide pieces

00:44:36   of furniture, which a lot of people do, but not everybody,

00:44:38   especially if you're in New England

00:44:40   and you have no place to put your TV,

00:44:41   except for on an angle in a corner.

00:44:43   And it's very difficult to find pieces of furniture

00:44:45   that are very wide and also fit in a corner.

00:44:48   - So we have had this thing in the show notes forever.

00:44:52   And I feel like now is as good a time as any

00:44:56   since we are recording from the future

00:44:58   to talk about what went on,

00:45:01   what is this, September of last year.

00:45:03   The EU proposed, and I think they since accepted

00:45:07   or ratified or whatever, mandatory USB-C on all devices,

00:45:12   including iPhones.

00:45:13   So I think it was John put some very useful excerpts,

00:45:17   which I will now read to you from the Verge article,

00:45:18   which we put in the show notes.

00:45:20   The rules are intended to cut down on electronic waste

00:45:22   by allowing people to reuse existing chargers and cables

00:45:24   when they buy new electronics.

00:45:25   In addition to phones,

00:45:26   the rules will apply to other devices like tablets,

00:45:28   headphones, portable speakers, video game consoles,

00:45:30   and cameras.

00:45:31   Manufacturers will also be forced

00:45:32   to make their fast charging standards interoperable

00:45:35   and to provide information to customers

00:45:36   what charging standards their device supports. The proposals only cover devices using wired,

00:45:42   not wireless, chargers, EU Commissioner Terry Bretton said in a press conference, adding that

00:45:46   "there's plenty of room for innovation on wireless." A spokesperson for the commission

00:45:51   subsequently confirmed to The Verge that a USB-C port is only mandatory for devices that charge

00:45:55   using a cable. But if a device charges exclusively via wireless, like Apple's rumored portless iPhone,

00:46:01   there would be no requirement for a USB-C charging port.

00:46:05   If adopted, manufacturers will eventually have 24 months

00:46:07   to comply with the new rules.

00:46:09   So what do we think?

00:46:10   -So this first point, cut down electronic waste

00:46:14   by allowing people to reuse existing chargers.

00:46:17   So we'll talk a little bit about the wisdom

00:46:21   of a single charging standard in a second,

00:46:24   but in the short term, requiring everybody

00:46:27   who has a million lightning cables

00:46:29   to throw them in the garbage and get USB-C cables

00:46:32   does not cut down on electronic waste.

00:46:34   And I'm gonna say there's a lot of lightning cables

00:46:36   out there in the world at this point, right?

00:46:38   Not a small number of them.

00:46:39   So, citing specifically that this new proposal

00:46:43   will cut down on electronic waste does not ring true to me.

00:46:47   Now, I'm sure people do have USB-C chargers,

00:46:49   but I don't think people buy enough USB-C chargers

00:46:52   for all the devices and then only use half of them

00:46:54   because the other half use lightning.

00:46:55   No, you buy as many chargers as you need.

00:46:57   You buy the lightning cables and chargers

00:46:58   for your lightning devices and you buy the USB-C cables and chargers for your USB-C devices

00:47:02   and you don't have a million extras of both. So if this standard came out and you know

00:47:08   if Apple goes USB-C on their phones, the short-term effect is a lot of lightning cables in the

00:47:13   landfill or recycling or whatever we do with them. So that seems a little bit silly.

00:47:18   Well but I mean long-term though like I see what they're doing long-term. Now that being

00:47:22   so this is one of those things like you know the arguments that we've heard so far from

00:47:28   in the tech community I think hold water,

00:47:30   which is first of all from a convenience point of view,

00:47:34   this would be incredible to be in a world of all USBC.

00:47:38   You know, if you look at how we might get there

00:47:41   might be messy, but to be in this world of all USBC today

00:47:45   would be great.

00:47:47   That being said, you know, there's also a significant

00:47:50   downside to the idea of a government forcing tech companies

00:47:55   to use and keep indefinitely into the future

00:48:00   this particular type of connector.

00:48:02   Now, the USB connector type does not change

00:48:05   as frequently as most things in our tech world do.

00:48:08   I mean, my first computer with a USB-A port,

00:48:12   I'm pretty sure was 1999.

00:48:14   That was 23 years ago,

00:48:19   and USB-A is just now getting around

00:48:21   to slowly, painfully being replaced.

00:48:25   And so if we say we're gonna stick with this connector,

00:48:27   on one hand you can say, it's probably not a good thing

00:48:30   for governments to mandate things like this

00:48:33   to tech companies, because what if we wanna change it

00:48:35   in the future, it's gonna be a slow and painful process.

00:48:37   On the other hand, you can say, well,

00:48:39   this actually doesn't change that frequently.

00:48:41   And maybe that wouldn't be that bad,

00:48:43   because the actual lifespan of something like this,

00:48:46   especially in the context of mobile charging and stuff,

00:48:51   where you're almost certainly only or primarily using it

00:48:54   for supplying power and not for rapid data transfer

00:48:59   in most cases for this kind of device.

00:49:01   So you don't have to worry that much about like,

00:49:03   oh, what if it won't support Thunderbolt 17?

00:49:07   Chances are for this type of use,

00:49:11   it's not gonna matter for a very long time.

00:49:13   So I think this would be a great world to get to.

00:49:17   I still am hesitant to say that requiring it

00:49:22   by government action is the way to get there.

00:49:25   Because again, like, there is some conservatism

00:49:29   about letting government control something like tech

00:49:33   that tends to move quickly is probably warranted.

00:49:37   - And if you look at past, you know,

00:49:39   government or quasi-government mandating technologies,

00:49:44   we tend to get stuck with them for a long time.

00:49:46   Power plugs that are in our walls, telephone cables,

00:49:50   even things like ethernet, which are vaguely related to telephone things.

00:49:55   Part of that is you build up a lot of infrastructure and it takes a lot of money to tear it all

00:49:58   down and everything.

00:50:00   Part of it is that once it's a government type of thing, everyone just gets on board

00:50:03   with it and it assumes like the safe bet or whatever.

00:50:06   But in the world, in the faster pace, let's say, the moving world of internet-related

00:50:12   technologies like the telecom era back in the '67, '80s, the internet age, things move

00:50:19   faster now and there is more development, like as people in the chat room are talking

00:50:24   about, micro USB, the terrible connector that we all hate, the one that is asymmetrical

00:50:29   but it's so small it's hard to tap.

00:50:31   >> Well, it's the worst.

00:50:32   >> And you know, if they had standardized on that, maybe we wouldn't have USB-C, right?

00:50:38   Or if it had standardized on something before lightning came out, we never would have had

00:50:40   lightning and lightning was a big leap over what came before it, right?

00:50:44   So the idea that the government should do something because left to their own devices,

00:50:49   Apparently Apple is refusing to budge on this, right?

00:50:52   So everyone else is going to USB-C,

00:50:53   but Apple's out there and they sell a lot of phones.

00:50:55   It makes sense that, you know,

00:50:57   there's apparently not enough motivation

00:51:01   for these companies to get together on their own.

00:51:04   But I think the mistake is not in governments

00:51:07   requiring something, but in governments requiring something

00:51:10   and specifically saying what it is.

00:51:12   If, for instance, they had instead said,

00:51:15   "There has to be a common charging standard.

00:51:17   Decide amongst yourself what it would be."

00:51:18   everyone would pick USB-C, but the good thing about that

00:51:21   is that years in the future,

00:51:23   when there's some newer standard,

00:51:24   like an Apple wants to use Thunderbolt 19

00:51:26   on their new hollow iPads or whatever,

00:51:29   but we can't do it because everyone has to use USB-C

00:51:33   and we don't know how to put two ports,

00:51:34   eventually everybody in the industry

00:51:36   will be in a similar situation with like,

00:51:37   oh, there's a new standard and it's better,

00:51:39   or I have a new thing in mind and it's better,

00:51:41   but we're all stuck on the stupid USB-C

00:51:43   because we all agreed back in 2022

00:51:45   that we had the one standard requirement

00:51:47   and we all agreed it would be USB-C,

00:51:48   'cause duh, of course it would be, right?

00:51:51   At that point in the future,

00:51:53   there would be enough companies that wanna move on

00:51:55   to their own particular innovation

00:51:57   to come back together again and say,

00:51:58   okay everybody, let's get together again,

00:52:00   let's all agree on a new standard,

00:52:02   because we all agree that USB-C is holding back

00:52:04   all of our products, because now in the future

00:52:06   we all have different, and then they'd have to agree

00:52:07   on like, well what is the new standard,

00:52:09   let's fight over that or whatever,

00:52:10   but they would be motivated to do that,

00:52:12   because everybody would want to have

00:52:14   newer, better devices, right?

00:52:15   If we had standardized on 30-pin, eventually everyone would be like, "Well, 30-pin has

00:52:20   served us well, but we all have something better in mind, and let's talk about what

00:52:23   that would be."

00:52:24   Because with all us being stuck on 30-pin, it sucks because we have to add a second port

00:52:28   off to the side and it's awkward or whatever, so you've got to use a 30-pin for…

00:52:33   There is motivation for companies to get together on standards.

00:52:36   Just look at the matter standard, which may come to nothing, but still, those companies

00:52:40   spent years killing each other in the market trying to see who's going to become dominant,

00:52:44   And eventually, nobody became dominant enough to just like dictate the world, and they all

00:52:49   came together and said, "All right, now this is hurting us more than it's helping us.

00:52:52   We all have our own standards or whatever, but people are, every one of us has people,

00:52:56   customers who won't buy our products because their house is already set up for Hue, or

00:52:59   it's already set up for Google Home, or it's already set up for HomeKit or whatever, and

00:53:03   they won't buy our products because they have a different, so we need to decide on a standard

00:53:08   because that will help all of us."

00:53:10   That is the market working correctly.

00:53:12   When everyone agrees that we have to get together on this, or just look at any other standard,

00:53:17   Blu-ray versus, what was the competing thing on Blu-ray?

00:53:20   HD DVD versus Divix.

00:53:23   Oh God.

00:53:24   Beta, VHS, or whatever.

00:53:26   Whatever the standard you ended up picking, the industry does have motivation to consolidate

00:53:30   on a standard.

00:53:32   But historically speaking, the government is very bad at dictating the specific technology

00:53:37   that standards should be.

00:53:38   When they do do so, it kind of gives people the excuse to say, "Well, we're just stuck

00:53:42   with it and we have to use this forever."

00:53:44   I'm not saying this is not what they're doing.

00:53:46   I don't know the details of the EU proposal.

00:53:48   Maybe the EU proposal has a time limit.

00:53:49   Maybe the EU proposal has a way where they can get back together and deal with this.

00:53:53   Even if it doesn't, the EU itself, in 15 years, can get back together and say, "Okay, we all

00:53:57   agree now that the USBC thing of time has come and we should redo it."

00:54:01   But why leave that to chance?

00:54:02   Why not bake it into the thing?

00:54:04   One standard policy for some something as big as the EU to say all phone manufacturers have to agree on a standard

00:54:10   decide amongst yourself

00:54:13   Would have the same results and would be a better policy

00:54:16   Now that's that's just like pie in the sky how I think this could be different or better and hopefully it will work out

00:54:22   Right, practically speaking. I'm not sure what this means. Does this mean that in two years?

00:54:28   starting from whatever date Apple has to switch their iPhones to USB-C or make them wireless?

00:54:34   It seems like it does. Was Apple going to do that anyway? Maybe. I don't know. There's the

00:54:41   Ultra Wideband wildcard that we talked about for a lot of this stuff. There's the wireless MagSafe

00:54:45   puck charging thing that's going to send data as well as power through everything. And then

00:54:50   there's just they'll go to USB-C and it will be fine, right? You know, and this proposal, like,

00:54:58   It's like the EU mandating a standard or whatever,

00:55:01   but really this is just an Apple ruling, right?

00:55:03   'Cause everybody is already doing USB-C.

00:55:06   No one else is out there with their own proprietary

00:55:08   connection, it's just Apple, but Apple's so big

00:55:10   that they have to make this law

00:55:11   because Apple wasn't doing it on their own.

00:55:12   So in many ways this is another case where Apple

00:55:15   could have made a change on their own to avoid this.

00:55:17   If Apple had just gone to USB-C like last year,

00:55:20   they could have maybe prevented this.

00:55:22   Because then there would be a situation

00:55:23   where everybody is on USB-C, the EU is happy,

00:55:26   This thing doesn't pass because when they were trying

00:55:28   to get votes on it, everyone would say,

00:55:29   "Why are we voting on this?

00:55:30   "Everybody already uses USBC.

00:55:32   "What's the point of this law?"

00:55:33   And that would free them later to go to Thunderbolt 19

00:55:36   without having to wait for the EU to do something.

00:55:39   - Yeah, I agree with you that I think the thing

00:55:42   I find most offensive about this is that

00:55:45   it's the government deciding specifically USBC

00:55:49   is the way forward because like you said,

00:55:50   it's so obviously the way forward today,

00:55:53   but we don't know when that's gonna change.

00:55:55   We don't know what the situation is.

00:55:57   And it's funny because I'm not that offended

00:56:02   that the iPhone isn't USB-C.

00:56:05   Like I absolutely would prefer it to be without question,

00:56:07   but I'm not that bothered by it.

00:56:09   And I think that's in part because I've decided

00:56:12   to embrace either USB-C

00:56:15   or just wireless charging for everything.

00:56:18   And I still have a trillion lightning cables

00:56:22   just strewn throughout the house, just like you said, Jon.

00:56:25   but I'm going on a trip somewhat soon

00:56:29   and I use that as an excuse to spend money.

00:56:33   Hi Marco.

00:56:33   - Hey. (laughs)

00:56:35   - I've known you too long.

00:56:36   - I was just looking at chargers today

00:56:38   'cause I keep that my family seems to eat

00:56:41   USB-C charging equipment and so I'm out

00:56:44   of multi-port chargers and relevant to the story.

00:56:48   My wife is away this weekend and she requested chargers

00:56:54   for her trip, 'cause of course I'm in charge of wires,

00:56:56   she's in charge of soft things.

00:56:58   (laughing)

00:56:59   I look at my wire cabinet,

00:57:01   all my multi-port chargers are gone,

00:57:02   so I had to give her separate bricks

00:57:04   with just one output each,

00:57:06   and she wanted to take with her,

00:57:08   this is not unreasonable,

00:57:09   an iPhone, an Apple Watch, and an iPad.

00:57:13   I had to give her three chargers.

00:57:17   - That's not a good look.

00:57:20   You don't want that.

00:57:21   And so this is something that I was running into.

00:57:23   So many, many moons ago, I wrote a couple of different blog posts, both talking about

00:57:28   the same thing, which was, "What is what I like to call my Go Pack?"

00:57:31   And I've preached the gospel on here many, many times before, but the short, short version

00:57:35   is I like to have a pack, like a small bag, full of all the cables and doodads and whatnots

00:57:41   and wizards that I need in order to charge all my stuff when I travel.

00:57:45   And that Go Pack, that pack of cables and whatnot, that is never touched and never pilfered

00:57:52   through when I am not traveling. I never just, "Oh, I'll just grab this from..." Nope, nope. It has to be

00:57:58   a completely untouchable thing when you're at home. And so in that Go Pack, I used to have a

00:58:05   five USB-A plug. You know, so you plug into the wall once because five USB-A coming out the other

00:58:10   end because I need, you know, two phones, two watches, and potentially one other thing. But I feel like

00:58:17   that's just so many cables especially since I typically bring a couple of USB extensions so that

00:58:22   Erin doesn't have to like hand me her phone before she goes to sleep I can get the the you know cable

00:58:27   all the way over to her side of the bed or whatever and it was just too much it was just too much and

00:58:31   so I did the most Marco thing possible what do you think I did Marco bought a bunch of new stuff

00:58:37   bought new stuff to fix my problems so I spent and in just absolutely preposterous amounts of money

00:58:44   And I bought two Mophie three-in-one travel chargers with MagSafe, which was recommended to me many moons ago in the relay slack

00:58:50   this is a MagSafe puck in the center a

00:58:53   An iPhone puck on the right and then just a Qi charger really really really intended for

00:59:00   Air air pods on the left and it folds up and it has a nice little like canvas II bag thing

00:59:06   Each of these and you need to if you're part of a pair

00:59:10   each of these is

00:59:13   $50 and is only available at Apple. That is the only place you can buy them is from Apple. So I spent

00:59:20   300 friggin dollars to get chargers that just replace a bunch of cables that already worked just fine

00:59:28   I did it because I've spent way too much time being Marco's friend and

00:59:32   because it's going to make my life so much nicer that all I have to do is

00:59:36   Plug each of these in and guess how they plug in gentlemen?

00:59:40   USB-C baby they I plug these in either to the USB C charger that they come with or I could

00:59:46   repurpose my two-port USB C charger that I'll use for my laptop and I could you know bring it to the bedroom at night and

00:59:51   and I will plug these into some USB C power adapter and

00:59:57   Then I will get Aaron's watch

01:00:00   And Aaron's phone my watch and my phone and my air pods if I so choose all

01:00:04   charging using just one cable per person as opposed to

01:00:08   You know two USB a extension cables a lightning cable or two lightning cables to watch cables

01:00:14   It's just this is gonna be so much better and I'm so excited about it

01:00:16   but I all of this is relevant because I

01:00:20   Want to get away from lightning like I don't have a problem with lightning except that it's it's its own bespoke thing

01:00:27   I don't want lightning in my life anymore

01:00:29   except when I'm doing development

01:00:31   which is something that we've only glanced off

01:00:33   of the outer atmosphere of, but for charging purposes,

01:00:36   just give me Qi charging or MagSafe charging,

01:00:38   give it to me everywhere.

01:00:39   I don't want it, I don't want to charge via lightning

01:00:42   unless I absolutely have to.

01:00:44   And I think that moving away from wired charging,

01:00:49   for me anyway, I'm all in, baby.

01:00:52   Like, let's just go all wireless all the time.

01:00:55   Where this gets really, really squishy

01:00:57   is what happens when I'm sitting at my desk,

01:00:59   use an Xcode because if the watch tells us anything,

01:01:03   oh boy, I do not want wireless debugging for my phone.

01:01:08   No, thank you.

01:01:09   And I know you can do it now.

01:01:10   I have done it from time to time,

01:01:11   particularly when I was using my adorable.

01:01:13   No, thank you.

01:01:15   Like I do not want any part of that.

01:01:17   - Everything about it is worse.

01:01:18   - Yeah, I do not want any part of that.

01:01:21   No, thank you at all.

01:01:22   So like if Apple comes out with some,

01:01:24   we've talked about this in the past.

01:01:26   If Apple comes out with some new phone

01:01:27   that's completely sealed and charges only wirelessly.

01:01:32   All of the consumer side of me is ready, baby.

01:01:35   Sign me up.

01:01:36   But the developer side of me is going to be devastated

01:01:39   unless they have some sort of solution

01:01:42   that actually freaking works for doing debugging

01:01:45   and development against a wired

01:01:48   or some new replacement for wire device.

01:01:51   - Yeah, and I'm not holding my breath on that.

01:01:53   - Nope.

01:01:54   - One thing I'll miss about Lightning is the,

01:01:56   Well, I have one of the things we use for charging the house

01:01:59   is kind of like, I don't know what you call it,

01:02:00   like a dish rack, bookshelf type thing.

01:02:03   You know those things that like you put your devices

01:02:04   in sideways?

01:02:05   - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:06   - Right, and you can put iPads in there.

01:02:08   It's got like a bunch of little slats

01:02:11   and I'm trying to think of what analogous thing.

01:02:14   It's like a comb, right?

01:02:16   Or like where you put your dishes in the dishwasher, right?

01:02:18   Anyway, but the point is that the devices are sideways

01:02:21   and it's nice because no matter what size

01:02:22   of device you have, it fits.

01:02:23   It's big, small, short, tall, doesn't matter.

01:02:26   And so it connects to the power and everything

01:02:28   and it has a whole bunch of ports

01:02:30   along with one side of it.

01:02:31   And I got these very stubby little

01:02:34   like rubberized connectors.

01:02:36   On one end there's USB A, this is a really old thing

01:02:38   and that plugs into the base.

01:02:40   And the other end is lightning connectors, right?

01:02:42   And they're long enough to reach an iPad, right?

01:02:44   But they're not, they're like four inches long.

01:02:46   Like they're just long enough to curl around.

01:02:48   And when they're not plugged in,

01:02:49   they're just kind of like waving there

01:02:50   like little tentacles, right?

01:02:51   It's cute, right?

01:02:52   And it's great.

01:02:53   The whole family puts their devices there, they charge.

01:02:55   You know, it's a great place in the house

01:02:56   to be able to charge anything you want.

01:02:58   And they're all lightning, right?

01:02:59   And the lightning connector is curved on the sides,

01:03:02   so when you plug something in sideways,

01:03:04   you don't have to get the wire exactly perpendicular

01:03:06   to the port before you put it in.

01:03:07   You can just kind of like angle it in and it goes in.

01:03:10   So I'll kind of miss that.

01:03:11   I'm not saying that's the reason

01:03:12   lightning should stay around or anything.

01:03:13   It's just one thing that I think I'll miss

01:03:15   is the easy ability to plug things in at a slight angle

01:03:18   because USB-C really wants you to line it up

01:03:20   a little bit better than that.

01:03:21   But I'm sure it'll be fine.

01:03:22   And speaking of tech details,

01:03:24   Here is an older Q&A article about what I was talking about before of like, oh, you're

01:03:27   dictating USB-C, but what about when something better comes along?

01:03:31   This is from the focus, this is when they were proposing it.

01:03:33   So here's a suggestion that this proposal encourages innovation for wired and wireless

01:03:37   technology.

01:03:38   Well, I'm sure it encourages innovation for wireless because then you'd be exempt and

01:03:42   you can come up with a good wireless thing if you're worried about this.

01:03:45   But anyway, the thing they say that will help is, "Any technological developments in wired

01:03:49   charging will be reflected in the timely adjustment of the technical requirements/specific standards

01:03:54   under the Radio Equipment Directive.

01:03:55   This would ensure that technology is not outdated.

01:03:58   At the same time, the implementation

01:04:00   of any new standards and further revisions

01:04:02   of the Radio Equipment Directive would

01:04:03   need to be developed in a harmonized manner,

01:04:05   respecting the objective's full interoperability.

01:04:07   Industry is therefore expected to continue

01:04:08   the work already undertaken on standardized interface led

01:04:11   by the USB IF organization-- those are the people who

01:04:14   make the USB standards-- in the view of developing

01:04:17   new interoperable and open noncontroversial solutions.

01:04:19   So they're basically saying, don't worry, we can adjust it.

01:04:22   Like, as new things come out, we'll just revise things.

01:04:26   Well, that's exactly what I was talking about.

01:04:27   You don't wanna have to wait for the EU to revise things.

01:04:30   And this whole proposal, led by the USB IF,

01:04:35   gives so much power to the USB group.

01:04:38   The USB group didn't come up with Lightning.

01:04:39   Innovation doesn't mean just better versions of USB-C.

01:04:43   Innovation means things like Lightning

01:04:44   that are not coming from the same people

01:04:46   who made the old standard, but it's like,

01:04:47   oh, we have an idea for a new plug for our devices,

01:04:49   and it has nothing to do with USB, really.

01:04:51   It's our own thing, it's a lightning connector,

01:04:53   look at it, it's pretty weird, but we like it, right?

01:04:55   That's an example of innovation.

01:04:57   The USBIF slowly and steadily coming up

01:04:59   with better versions of USB and then renaming them all

01:05:01   so we have no idea what's what,

01:05:02   that is not an example of innovation.

01:05:04   And waiting for the EU to revise the technical requirements

01:05:08   of this law is also not an example

01:05:10   of the kind of innovation we want.

01:05:11   So again, I reiterate that,

01:05:13   I think it would have been better to use the government

01:05:16   to force one standard, but not to be in such strict control

01:05:21   over what that standard is.

01:05:22   Because I believe in the self-interest

01:05:26   of big tech companies be enough to get

01:05:29   them to standardize on something reasonable at intervals.

01:05:35   There's always chaos, and then we consolidate.

01:05:37   They go on a standard, you use it for a while,

01:05:39   and then there's another round of innovation.

01:05:41   Eventually, that second round of innovation

01:05:42   becomes unbearable for everyone involved,

01:05:45   and they eventually do get together,

01:05:46   if the government was asking them to get together and decide

01:05:49   on a standard.

01:05:50   The government doesn't ask them to get together.

01:05:51   They kill each other until someone comes up with a standard.

01:05:54   Or they do the matter thing,

01:05:55   which is everybody's stuff sucks so bad

01:05:57   that they all decide we do need to come together

01:05:59   on the standard.

01:06:00   Remains to be seen if matter sucks any worse

01:06:02   than the existing stuff,

01:06:03   but at least it's a push in the right direction.

01:06:06   I think there's a similar,

01:06:07   we don't have anything in the notes about this,

01:06:09   but maybe we'll talk about it on a future show.

01:06:11   There's another thing about the similar type

01:06:13   of standardization situation where one group

01:06:17   that comes up with the standards is given a lot of power

01:06:19   because they are the blessed group and that is,

01:06:21   I don't know what the group is or whatever,

01:06:22   but the people who come up with like HEVC and H.264

01:06:25   and H.265, whatever that group is,

01:06:27   and all the people who own the patents in it

01:06:29   and all that stuff, like those sort of standardized formats

01:06:32   for video, for compressed video over the internet,

01:06:35   all that stuff, it's great that there's standards there.

01:06:37   It's really important that there's no standards there.

01:06:39   It powers our whole modern age

01:06:41   of streaming video everywhere,

01:06:42   but they are patent encumbered in many cases

01:06:45   and certain people are in control of it

01:06:46   and certain people make money.

01:06:47   And so now there is a competing standard,

01:06:50   I think it's called AV1,

01:06:51   that's either less patent-encumbered or not patent-encumbered

01:06:54   and more like free and open or whatever.

01:06:57   And the people who are in control of the previous standards

01:06:59   do not like that.

01:07:00   Because they're like,

01:07:01   "Hey, you're taking away our money and power.

01:07:03   "We just want there to be one standard,

01:07:04   "but we also like the idea that we have lots of money

01:07:06   "and power related to that one standard."

01:07:07   And a new open standard violates that.

01:07:09   And it just goes to show that the motivations of,

01:07:12   like once you give a group like the USBIF

01:07:14   this kind of power to say,

01:07:15   "Oh, you are the new standard,

01:07:17   and by the way, you're in charge of future innovation,

01:07:19   that goes bad really quickly.

01:07:21   So I would prefer the more chaotic approach

01:07:24   of demanding there be a standard,

01:07:27   but allowing that standard to arise semi-organically

01:07:29   at regular intervals every decade or two.

01:07:33   - You know, I was thinking more about my whole travel setup

01:07:35   because it's so relevant to me coming up soon,

01:07:38   and of the things that I could potentially travel with,

01:07:42   my drone, my Nintendo Switch, my Playdate,

01:07:45   my laptop, my iPad, all of those things charge via USB-C.

01:07:50   The only things that don't that I'm likely to,

01:07:52   oh, the GoPro, I didn't even think about that,

01:07:55   the GoPro would.

01:07:56   The only thing I can think of,

01:07:58   the only things I can think of that wouldn't

01:07:59   are my iPhone potentially.

01:08:02   Now, again, I've resolved this

01:08:03   by throwing money at the problem.

01:08:04   My watch, same story, and my Kindle,

01:08:07   which is not particularly new,

01:08:08   I don't know what the new ones are using,

01:08:09   and it uses that god awful micro USB connector.

01:08:13   - The good thing is the Kindle charge lasts forever,

01:08:15   so you can probably just charge it before you leave.

01:08:16   - Yeah, you don't need to bring Kindle chargers on trips.

01:08:18   - Yeah, I charged it yesterday

01:08:20   and it'll last me until the end of the month.

01:08:21   So basically the only stuff that doesn't charge via USB-C

01:08:26   are my phone and my watch.

01:08:28   Basically everything else I can charge via USB-C

01:08:31   and I don't need to bring a bespoke charger

01:08:33   for any of this stuff.

01:08:34   Like I could just plug the switch into my computer

01:08:37   if I really wanted to and charge it that way.

01:08:39   Same with like the drone batteries.

01:08:41   You know, I could show the battery pack

01:08:43   that charges three batteries at once.

01:08:44   That's USB-C.

01:08:46   And so all of this stuff,

01:08:47   I can just charge by using my computer as a hub.

01:08:50   And since I have a MacBook Pro,

01:08:51   I have ports for days kind of, sort of.

01:08:54   But I have at least a few options for ports.

01:08:56   So yeah, it's that inconsistency

01:09:00   in that the phone and to some degree the watch

01:09:02   are like the lone devices standing off saying,

01:09:05   "No, I need my own special cable."

01:09:08   Like it's just, "No, just come on.

01:09:09   "Can we just either go all wireless

01:09:11   "or just jump on board with USB-C?"

01:09:14   I know it's not as good in a handful of ways,

01:09:16   but can we just do it anyway, please?

01:09:18   - The watch is the next downside here,

01:09:21   like another place where Apple's gonna spoil it

01:09:23   for everybody, right?

01:09:23   'Cause the watch, it makes sense,

01:09:25   like you don't plug anything into it 'cause it's so tiny,

01:09:26   you probably wouldn't wanna plug in the cable,

01:09:28   like that makes perfect sense.

01:09:29   But Apple, what Apple chose to do for their quote unquote

01:09:32   wireless charging for the watch

01:09:34   is not what anybody else is doing.

01:09:37   It's a watch charger, right?

01:09:38   And I think you can put watches on Qi chargers

01:09:41   and maybe you can get them to charge?

01:09:43   - No. - I don't think so.

01:09:44   - People have occasionally gotten them to work that way,

01:09:47   but it's not reliable.

01:09:48   I've tried so many times.

01:09:49   - And so we're rapidly approaching another situation

01:09:53   with the watches where there's a wireless standard

01:09:55   for charging.

01:09:56   I mean, Qi is pretty widespread at this point,

01:09:58   but there's a wireless standard for starting.

01:09:59   You know, if you use all wireless stuff,

01:10:01   you just have to get Qi chargers and you'll be fine,

01:10:03   and Qi 2 came out and Qi 3 is even better,

01:10:04   and so on and so forth, and everyone's on the same page.

01:10:06   And so when you travel, you just need to bring one charger.

01:10:08   It's a Qi wireless charger,

01:10:10   and also your Apple Watch charger.

01:10:12   - Right, yeah.

01:10:13   - It's a big pain in the butt.

01:10:13   - Yep, yep, yep.

01:10:15   - But ultimately this is something that like,

01:10:18   the move to USBC I think is,

01:10:21   it'll be a great thing if it happens.

01:10:23   And I think if you look at like,

01:10:26   if you kind of read the tea leaves a little bit,

01:10:28   you know Apple is no fan of having governments

01:10:32   tell them what to do.

01:10:33   And I think they will take many opportunities

01:10:37   to just say no and to fight them

01:10:40   and to pay fines or whatever it is.

01:10:43   However, if you read the tea leaves,

01:10:45   I think they're actually about to do a big USB-C move.

01:10:50   If you, the latest rumors were that the base model iPad,

01:10:55   when it gets its next update, is gonna go USB-C.

01:10:58   It is, that'll make it the last iPad,

01:11:00   it's the last iPad on Lightning.

01:11:01   So the entire iPad lineup is almost all USB-C.

01:11:05   By the way, that change happened over the last few years

01:11:08   and the world didn't end.

01:11:09   Like they used to all be Lightning,

01:11:11   now they're almost all and about to be probably all USB-C

01:11:15   and everybody was all right.

01:11:18   So that's, it's a good data point.

01:11:21   Obviously not as big as the iPhone

01:11:22   and people tend to not have as many iPad chargers

01:11:25   as they have iPhone chargers.

01:11:26   So it's a different situation

01:11:28   but it's at least a data point.

01:11:30   So that, iPad is almost all USB-C.

01:11:33   MacBook, all USB-C.

01:11:35   Like the whole Mac, everything, all USB-C.

01:11:38   there have been rumors for quite some time

01:11:41   that the iPhone 14 coming out in a couple of months

01:11:44   is not gonna be USB-C,

01:11:46   but that it might be the last lightning iPhone,

01:11:47   that the one after the 14 is,

01:11:50   depending on which rumor you read,

01:11:52   either USB-C or no ports at all.

01:11:55   - I really hope it's USB-C, but yeah,

01:11:56   the one after the 14 is also supposed

01:11:58   to have the periscope cameras,

01:11:59   the one after the 14 is the one we all want.

01:12:01   - Right, it sounds like that's probably gonna be

01:12:03   the next case design revision,

01:12:05   which would be the time to switch to USB-C.

01:12:07   And this is something that they've seen

01:12:08   that they've been planning for some time,

01:12:10   as iPhones tend to be.

01:12:12   So I think what we'll really be telling

01:12:15   is watching what other hardware gets released from Apple

01:12:20   that currently has a Lightning port

01:12:22   that maybe gains a USB-C port instead.

01:12:24   So things to look out for would be things like

01:12:26   the next AirPods case, peripherals, mice, keyboards,

01:12:30   like Apple TV remote.

01:12:32   - I was gonna say, you were listing

01:12:34   all of the MacBooks have USB-C.

01:12:36   - Well, the desktop Macs sure don't,

01:12:37   'cause my keyboard is connected with lightning

01:12:39   on both of these Macs.

01:12:40   - Right, but Apple doesn't update the peripherals

01:12:43   very frequently.

01:12:44   - It's a brand new keyboard with the full-size touch bar.

01:12:47   You know, it boggles my mind why it's lightning.

01:12:50   It's not as if there's any kind of inertia

01:12:52   for lightning on the Mac,

01:12:53   and they were making a brand new keyboard

01:12:55   with the full-size Touch ID key

01:12:56   for the brand new Mac Studio,

01:12:57   and it connects with a cable, if people wanna know.

01:13:00   One end of it is USB-C that plugs into your computer,

01:13:02   and the other end that plugs into the keyboard is lightning.

01:13:05   - Why, why?

01:13:07   - Well, in all fairness, like these keyboards,

01:13:09   they seem very, very similar in overall build

01:13:13   and engineering and guts to the ones that we've had

01:13:16   for a long time before them.

01:13:17   - Yeah, I suppose, it's just disappointing.

01:13:20   And I know this seems weird to people,

01:13:21   like, oh, it's just like an iPhone,

01:13:22   you're just supposed to charge it with that cable.

01:13:24   Yeah, you can, but for people who don't know,

01:13:26   if you plug it in with that cable,

01:13:27   it becomes a wired USB keyboard, and that's how I use it.

01:13:30   - Yeah, I actually, I never told you I actually have one.

01:13:33   I did the thing where you stick it under your desk

01:13:36   so you can have touch ID on a desktop.

01:13:37   - Oh my gosh.

01:13:38   - It's actually really great.

01:13:39   And the reason I, so you know, it's the small one

01:13:43   that has the touch ID in the corner.

01:13:44   And you stick it under, you know,

01:13:46   Velcro it to the desk upside down.

01:13:47   And so I just reach under this one spot on my desk

01:13:49   and poke and it's touch ID.

01:13:50   And it's awesome 'cause otherwise my, you know,

01:13:52   my laptop is in clamshell mode so I can't reach that sensor

01:13:55   and I don't use an Apple keyboard to type on

01:13:56   so that doesn't have one.

01:13:58   So it's great, I have full touch ID

01:13:59   and it works fantastically.

01:14:01   But I did notice if the computer has been idle

01:14:04   and I walk up to it and try to unlock it,

01:14:05   it unlocks much faster when I have it wired.

01:14:08   My theory is that if you touch it and it's Bluetooth mode,

01:14:13   maybe it takes like a split second to connect back

01:14:15   to the computer before it starts the authentication process.

01:14:18   Whereas when I have it wired,

01:14:19   it works 100% of the time instantly.

01:14:22   So it's fantastic.

01:14:23   - Yeah, that's another thing that I missed for years

01:14:27   on the Mac from like the super old classic Mac days,

01:14:30   Apple desktop bus connected keyboards.

01:14:34   I used to have a power button on them

01:14:36   that you would power the computer on from the keyboard,

01:14:39   and also obviously wake it from sleep

01:14:40   and do a lot of this stuff.

01:14:41   And this kind of reminds me of that.

01:14:43   So with the Mac Studio with the Touch ID,

01:14:46   you can walk up to a computer that is locked

01:14:49   and running the screen share or whatever,

01:14:51   and all you do is you don't do anything else.

01:14:53   You just put your finger on Touch ID

01:14:54   and it wakes the computer and unlocks it.

01:14:57   It's so fast and it's so much nicer than like,

01:14:59   go hit the space bar to wake it up,

01:15:00   then type in your password or anything like that.

01:15:02   You don't have to wait, what I'm saying is

01:15:03   you don't have to wake it up before you put your finger

01:15:05   on the touch ID.

01:15:05   You just put your finger on the touch ID

01:15:07   and it does everything for you, it's great.

01:15:09   Face ID would be better, but you know.

01:15:11   Oh, and so related to your discussion

01:15:14   of the lightning cable and how they changed the iPads

01:15:17   and no one freaked out about it,

01:15:19   because the iPhone is such a,

01:15:21   you know, it looms larger in pop culture

01:15:23   and practically speaking there are literally billions more

01:15:25   of those devices than there are iPads,

01:15:27   people are going to complain,

01:15:29   but that is not a complaint that is founded

01:15:31   in any kind of facts.

01:15:33   I mean, it's difficult when any kind of transition

01:15:35   takes place.

01:15:36   People didn't like changing from DVD to Blu-ray

01:15:37   if people even did that.

01:15:38   People didn't like changing from cassette to CD.

01:15:41   Like everyone always complains,

01:15:41   "I gotta replace my connection,

01:15:42   "I gotta buy all new things," or whatever.

01:15:45   When, you know, Lightning replaced 30 pin,

01:15:47   I had to throw away all my cables and blah, blah, blah.

01:15:49   But it's been a decade, people.

01:15:51   Like, Lightning has been here for 10 years.

01:15:53   It's okay once a decade to improve the connector.

01:15:58   And then on top of that, with Apple seemingly not complaining

01:16:02   or pushing back against this, my understanding

01:16:04   is that Apple was heavily involved

01:16:06   in the creation of USB-C, which is why it doesn't suck.

01:16:10   And so it's not like they're like, oh, they're forcing me

01:16:12   to use this weird connector.

01:16:13   It's a connector that they had a hand in creating that they

01:16:15   apparently like a lot and put on a lot of their products.

01:16:18   So it's not like Apple is anti-USB-C,

01:16:21   and there is no perfect time to do this.

01:16:24   And so when this happens, and there's

01:16:27   it's gonna be some story for iPhone 15,

01:16:29   like oh, I have to throw out all my cables or whatever.

01:16:30   It's like, give it a rest.

01:16:32   Apple's constantly changing the cable.

01:16:34   Constantly?

01:16:35   Every decade?

01:16:36   It's okay.

01:16:37   It'll be fine, I promise.

01:16:38   The idea that there'll be one technical standard

01:16:41   and you'll never have to change it,

01:16:42   like that was true of the telephone system maybe,

01:16:44   but even then, they never changed the telephone connector.

01:16:47   It's still whatever, what's the small telephone on RJ?

01:16:49   - RJ11. - 11.

01:16:50   - Yeah, they never changed the RJ11 connector,

01:16:53   but you know what, it stayed around for so long

01:16:55   that it became obsoleted by,

01:16:56   people don't have landline phones anymore.

01:16:58   So like, if you did have landline phone, it's got RJ11,

01:17:00   but guess what, it's not a thing in your life anymore

01:17:02   'cause everyone just uses their cell phones, right?

01:17:04   We don't want that to happen.

01:17:05   We want better, faster innovation than that.

01:17:08   And Apple voluntarily choosing to change the connector

01:17:11   for all their peripherals once every decade

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01:19:17   Michael Chan writes, "How do you guys manage

01:19:19   "mail notifications on your various devices?

01:19:21   What mail apps do you use and how do you categorize and control what emails you consider worth

01:19:26   getting notifications for?

01:19:27   And what emails you consider best looked at on your own time?

01:19:29   Do you use Priority Inbox or something like Outlook's Focus Inbox?

01:19:33   First step is don't have a real job.

01:19:35   So you don't have to worry about this near as much.

01:19:39   But for me, I think I established this when I was at my jobby job.

01:19:44   I have my family, like Aaron and my parents,

01:19:48   like a couple of my brothers,

01:19:50   and marked as favorites, I think it is,

01:19:53   and contacts for VIPs, whatever it is in contacts,

01:19:55   and marked them as basically whatever that is,

01:19:58   the first tier.

01:19:59   And I have notifications for them and for nothing else.

01:20:03   And I just use the mail app pretty much everywhere.

01:20:06   Like I don't, I personally don't understand

01:20:09   how any person can use the web as their primary email app.

01:20:13   I'm looking both at my wife and at John.

01:20:16   It is just not for me.

01:20:18   And so I just use MailApp everywhere.

01:20:19   I did really like-- what was it--

01:20:21   MimeStream, which is a very not great name.

01:20:23   But I used that before I had moved to FastMail.

01:20:28   And that was really good.

01:20:29   And there's-- oh, shoot.

01:20:31   I can't think of the name of the app.

01:20:34   Somebody's writing a similar style app, but specifically

01:20:39   for FastMail and JMap servers.

01:20:41   If I remember, I'll put it in the show notes.

01:20:43   But I just use MailApp and I just let VIPs come through

01:20:47   in terms of notifications, that's what I do.

01:20:50   - Yeah, I don't even have that because nobody

01:20:53   I would have as a VIP ever really emails me.

01:20:55   So I just don't have mail notifications.

01:20:59   I let it badge the icon only on the Mac,

01:21:02   not even on my phone, and that's it.

01:21:04   And so I look at mail, if I have time,

01:21:08   I look at it when I see that little badge up there.

01:21:11   I will say one thing too, this is not at all related,

01:21:13   well it's very loosely related to this question.

01:21:16   So I've been using the iOS 16 beta for,

01:21:18   I don't know, a few weeks now, and I really like it.

01:21:21   (laughing)

01:21:22   Old joke.

01:21:23   - Yep, yep, yep.

01:21:24   - And one thing I've noticed is that with the new

01:21:25   lock screen redesign, notifications are now relegated

01:21:30   to a much smaller part of the lock screen.

01:21:33   They basically have been pushed down,

01:21:35   and they kinda stack up much more than they did

01:21:39   in iOS 15 and prior.

01:21:40   And so it actually, it's making me miss notifications now

01:21:45   because they stack up and I never dig down.

01:21:49   And so one thing I'm having to do,

01:21:50   so first of all I think this is very interesting

01:21:52   and for a lot of reasons, not least of which

01:21:54   is that to app developers, your notifications

01:21:56   are now worth less than they were in previous versions

01:21:59   of the app and they will be noticed less.

01:22:01   And as a user, it's gonna make me be even more strict

01:22:06   about which notifications I allow to be shown

01:22:09   on the lock screen and therefore be noticed at all.

01:22:13   Something like mail notifications that are fairly

01:22:16   unimportant for most people most of the time,

01:22:19   or at least, unimportant but at least not time sensitive,

01:22:23   that kind of stuff, you're gonna start having to make

01:22:24   tough decisions, unless this is some weird fluke

01:22:27   about the way I was 16 working on just my phone,

01:22:29   but I don't think it is, I think this is just a new design.

01:22:31   And so if you want to actually see your notifications

01:22:36   reliably, you're gonna have to start being much more strict

01:22:41   about deciding what is time sensitive and what's not.

01:22:43   And most things are gonna be not,

01:22:47   and therefore most notifications

01:22:48   aren't going to be necessary or prominent.

01:22:51   - John?

01:22:53   - I was hoping all of our answer on mail notifications

01:22:55   would be the same, it seems like we're close,

01:22:56   but for me it's not because like,

01:22:58   oh, you don't have real jobs, you don't have to worry

01:22:59   about this, I had a real job for most,

01:23:02   the vast majority of my adult life.

01:23:04   My policy has always been like a day phone, night phone guy.

01:23:07   Always on offense, never on defense, right?

01:23:10   I do not have, I do not have mail notifications on.

01:23:13   I have never had mail notifications on.

01:23:15   The idea of doing that seems like madness to me.

01:23:17   Maybe it's because I get too much email.

01:23:19   Like, oh, you can just send it to VIP.

01:23:20   It's like, no, I never get notifications.

01:23:23   I don't have badges on for mail on any of my devices.

01:23:26   Email is not a thing that comes and gets me.

01:23:30   So I'm on defense.

01:23:31   I go to email when I want to quote, check email.

01:23:33   Maybe that's an old person thing, although the young person thing is never checking email,

01:23:37   so I would say the old person thing is better.

01:23:40   I am not notified of emails, and I don't badge the icons.

01:23:44   When I want to go read email, I will go read email.

01:23:46   If I'm expecting an email, I will check my email.

01:23:48   Check my email, meaning going to the tab that is always open, and the very first tab in

01:23:53   the upper left Chrome window on my computer at all times is mail.

01:23:57   Gmail is on my home screen, but notifications, no.

01:24:00   Same deal with Twitter.

01:24:01   Zero notifications on Twitter or whatever.

01:24:03   life is different. If you're the type person who will forget to check mail, if you don't

01:24:07   have notifications or a badge, then do what you have to do. But I won't forget to check

01:24:12   mail, but I never want to be notified about mail. I never want to know how any mail messages

01:24:17   are making me, because that number would just be terrifying. The way I deal with email is

01:24:21   I have a huge number of filters that sort of stuff comes in and gets sorted into bins,

01:24:26   right? And the main view I use in Gmail, I kind of wish it was like the default, but

01:24:30   it not really matters because I don't ever close the tab,

01:24:31   is the all mail view.

01:24:33   It shows me a, it's kind of like my unified view on Twitter.

01:24:36   It is a linear chronological list of all conversations

01:24:39   I use, conversation view of all conversations

01:24:41   and all my email.

01:24:42   And what I see in that list is, you know,

01:24:44   things that are unread or bold,

01:24:46   and then along the sidebar and all the different categories

01:24:49   are all the bins they got chucked in.

01:24:51   So I can just look at that sidebar and say,

01:24:52   okay, I've got, you know, 15 messages from this mailing list,

01:24:55   12 messages related to the App Store,

01:24:58   five messages related to ATP, two messages from my family.

01:25:01   Just by looking at the sidebar and seeing

01:25:04   what things are in bold and what numbers are after them,

01:25:07   because it'll give you the numbers,

01:25:08   that at a glance tells me what the email situation is.

01:25:10   And then the all-mail view shows me all those messages

01:25:13   interspersed with all the messages that I have read,

01:25:15   because that's the way I prefer to do it.

01:25:16   It's like my unified timeline in Twitter, like I said,

01:25:19   that I use Twitteriffic to get.

01:25:21   So I don't use any,

01:25:22   I always forget how many of these things Gmail has

01:25:25   when I set up some Gmail for my kids or whatever.

01:25:27   I don't use any of this like focus mode, prioritize,

01:25:31   sort it into social media.

01:25:32   Like Gmail tries to do all this stuff for you.

01:25:35   I'm not sure if people find that useful or not.

01:25:37   I bet people aren't going to do what I did,

01:25:39   which is have, you know,

01:25:40   200 different rules to automatically sort stuff,

01:25:42   but that's the way I prefer to do it.

01:25:43   So I don't use any smart anything.

01:25:46   My email client is dumb, but it is, well, it's not dumb,

01:25:49   but it is like,

01:25:50   it's not trying to use any intelligence

01:25:51   to organize things for me.

01:25:52   My rules organize the things,

01:25:54   and then I'm using the features of the interface.

01:25:56   the fact that they have categories, labels with counts on them and the all-mail view

01:26:00   to do all my reading.

01:26:02   Don Clark writes, "I'm a new father, congratulations, and I found myself taking tons of 4K60 HDR

01:26:07   videos and photos of my child.

01:26:08   I'm now very concerned with backing them up.

01:26:11   Welcome to being a dad.

01:26:12   I know that each of you have robust photo storage solutions.

01:26:15   Are these steps documented anywhere?"

01:26:18   Let me answer really quickly in the middle of his question.

01:26:20   Mine are not, will not, and should not be documented anywhere because it's a mess and

01:26:24   nobody should do what I do.

01:26:25   Moving on to what Don said, Don says,

01:26:27   I use iCloud Photo Library.

01:26:29   I have a Synology, but I'm not actually

01:26:30   doing anything with it yet.

01:26:31   Ideally, all of my photos and videos

01:26:33   would be saved to my Synology alongside iCloud.

01:26:35   Ideally, these locally stored photos and videos

01:26:37   could be playable on any of my Apple TV's

01:26:38   throughout the house, perhaps using Plex.

01:26:40   It said Don, not me, don't worry.

01:26:43   So I found that they don't appear consistently enough

01:26:46   or quickly enough in the Photos app on the Apple TV via iCloud.

01:26:49   And AirPlay stutters with the 4K 60 video content.

01:26:51   Any suggestions would be appreciated.

01:26:53   Yeah, like I said, don't do what I do.

01:26:55   That's all I've got for this.

01:26:56   Marco.

01:26:57   - My photo stuff is all just in Apple Photos

01:27:00   and the backup and sync solution is, you know,

01:27:04   iCloud photo library as the sync and as, I guess, a backup.

01:27:09   And then because these are all just files

01:27:11   living in the file system on my Mac,

01:27:13   it is also backed up by my regular Mac backups,

01:27:16   which include a local time machine

01:27:19   and backblaze for cloud backup.

01:27:22   - Yeah, this is all of the questions

01:27:23   that comes up frequently,

01:27:24   Although has a little bit of a twist here with the 4k 60 stuff and trying to play it but for the backups

01:27:28   yeah, the recommendation is

01:27:30   You should you know, if you want to do belt and suspenders, you should have two kinds of local backup, right?

01:27:36   so that would be you know a single Mac in your house where

01:27:39   All the fixtures are downloaded like download originals and then you back up that Mac

01:27:45   With time machine and then you also like do a super duper clone or you have a local time machine and a Synology time machine

01:27:52   but basically two places in your house where there's a hard drive with every one of the bits that is in all your photos and

01:27:57   I would back up the whole photo library because if you use iCloud photo library if that's how you organize your photos don't just back

01:28:02   Up the JPEGs back up the whole iCloud photo library. It's not that much more data

01:28:05   It will cause a little bit of churn on your backup because every time you do anything with like a photo library needs to reback

01:28:10   Up like the databases and stuff, but it'll be fine. It's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things

01:28:14   So pick what those two are

01:28:15   Do you like time machine you can just do two time machine backups a local time machine to a disk that's connected to your desktop

01:28:21   Mac if you're cool and have a desktop Mac and then a remote time machine to your Synology,

01:28:25   right? Or you could do a super duper clone and a time machine backup or you could use whatever,

01:28:30   right? But two local backups, right? And then for cloud backup, you're like, "Oh,

01:28:34   I got iCloud Photo Library. I'm covered." You should probably have another cloud backup.

01:28:38   Backblaze, frequent sponsor of the show, any other kind of cloud backup solution

01:28:41   that is just essentially backing up your Mac to a cloud service. And the important part of that,

01:28:46   like I said, is to have at least one Mac, the Mac that is having these backups done to it,

01:28:50   have the preference set in Apple's photos

01:28:53   that says download originals,

01:28:54   because if you don't, your local backups

01:28:57   aren't backing up your whole iCloud photo library.

01:28:59   They're backing up whatever subset

01:29:00   of your iCloud photo library

01:29:01   that's actually on your Mac at the time,

01:29:02   which means you gotta have one Mac somewhere

01:29:05   that's big enough to fit your whole photo library on it,

01:29:07   so get big SSDs.

01:29:08   - Yep.

01:29:10   - Oh, and for the 4K 60 thing,

01:29:12   so you've got all this stuff,

01:29:13   and you're like, I need some way to play this.

01:29:14   I agree that the iCloud photo library feature on Apple TV

01:29:19   is comically bad.

01:29:20   It chokes so, every once in a while, every few years,

01:29:23   I check Apple TV to see if it can make heads or tails

01:29:25   in my photo library, it cannot.

01:29:27   It does not know what to make of it.

01:29:30   It shows blank thumbnails and you can try to scroll

01:29:32   and it just hangs and it's like,

01:29:34   you cannot use it for the intended purpose.

01:29:35   I cannot look at pictures on it.

01:29:38   It just can't handle it.

01:29:39   Some day, maybe they'll fix that, but they haven't yet.

01:29:41   So what should you use instead?

01:29:44   I don't know, but if you have these things

01:29:46   on your Synology somewhere,

01:29:48   you probably have a lot of options

01:29:50   for serving that content to your television

01:29:52   in a way that is better than iCloud Photo Library.

01:29:54   I know Plex has a photo solution.

01:29:56   You could probably even just have Plex

01:29:58   as like a file server type thing

01:29:59   and have some other application that reads Plex

01:30:01   as an SMB share and uses it.

01:30:03   I don't know what the options are on Apple TV,

01:30:04   but I feel your pain about iCloud Photo Library.

01:30:07   Apple ostensibly has a feature

01:30:09   that lets you look at your photo library on your Apple TV,

01:30:11   but it just basically doesn't work

01:30:13   once your library gets to a certain size.

01:30:15   - Nitish Singh writes,

01:30:17   I started wondering about the responsiveness of the M1 family under Mac OS. By all accounts,

01:30:21   it's great right now. But I'm thinking back to the x86 transition and perhaps the PowerPC

01:30:25   one before it. And there was always this period where things felt so fast because the hardware

01:30:30   was just so much better than what came before. But then the OS and software caught up to

01:30:35   it and we get where we are now saying that x86 Macs don't feel so responsive. Do you

01:30:41   think that we're in a temporary era of Mac OS responsiveness under the M whatever family

01:30:46   will eventually be eaten away by software growth, or does Apple controlling the silicon

01:30:50   and the OS mean that things will stay this way and possibly get even better?

01:30:54   This is actually a very astute question.

01:30:56   I don't know, but I would think that I would be hard-pressed to see Mac OS just gobble

01:31:05   up any extra, not literal bandwidth, but figurative bandwidth to the point that we feel like Mac

01:31:11   OS gets super sluggish on account of hardware being the problem.

01:31:14   It wouldn't surprise me if we don't get a mythical snow leopard moment for a few years

01:31:21   and we start to wonder why things are broken and why they're not as quick as they once

01:31:26   were.

01:31:27   But to answer the question more directly, I don't think so.

01:31:31   But it's a very good question and maybe I'll be wrong.

01:31:33   I don't know.

01:31:34   What do you think, Jon?

01:31:35   I don't think that what happens is that the software like blokes to eat all the performance

01:31:42   gains.

01:31:43   What happens is you just get used to things.

01:31:44   If you go back and try like one of the first round of power PC max everything on it is incredibly slow, right?

01:31:51   Even compared to later power PC max like not compared to today, right?

01:31:55   the

01:31:57   It's like just a psychological effect of there are these in

01:31:59   Discontinuities where we go from one architecture to another and there's a big performance leap it happened with all of them

01:32:04   I can tell you how amazed we all were playing with graphing calculator on a power PC Mac

01:32:08   Just you could absolutely not do things with that kind of performance on a 68k Mac

01:32:14   It was just phenomenal right and the Intel transition was similar things got faster and like they got quote-unquote snappier things that

01:32:20   You know you weren't aware

01:32:23   We're slow before something got faster like you know just I remember doing command-line stuff compiling things from the command line on Intel max was

01:32:28   So much faster than compiling from the command line and power PC max, and it's like why like what's it was?

01:32:33   It's just disk IO faster like I don't know what's faster about it, but it's just faster right things feel snappier

01:32:38   What happens is we just get used to those gains.

01:32:40   Once you go through that jump in performance,

01:32:42   that jump in snappiness,

01:32:43   that jump in just absolute raw horsepower,

01:32:46   the gains become more incremental from there

01:32:47   because you don't have a big jump,

01:32:48   but you're still going up for the most part.

01:32:51   And people say, oh, the software comes and eats all that

01:32:53   and it becomes slow again.

01:32:54   It doesn't become slow again,

01:32:55   it just bends the curve of improvement

01:32:58   to maybe where it becomes flat.

01:32:59   But the level it flattens at

01:33:00   is still way better than where it was.

01:33:02   It just, over the years, you forget that leap.

01:33:06   So as fast as things are in these M1s,

01:33:08   five years now when we're complaining

01:33:10   with Mac OS is bogging things down,

01:33:12   pick any task and benchmark it.

01:33:13   And that five, 10 year in the future M whatever Mac

01:33:17   will still be faster than the M1.

01:33:20   It just doesn't seem faster enough

01:33:21   because it hasn't been keeping up with innovation.

01:33:23   And there are some places where there's regressions

01:33:25   where you do something and it just bogs the whole system

01:33:27   down, it used to be slower.

01:33:28   Like an example of that is when the Macs went color

01:33:31   that ate a lot of CPU and memory.

01:33:33   And if you use an old black and white Mac,

01:33:36   would do things faster.

01:33:38   Or things like the Aqua interface in Mac OS X just making pulling down menus slow.

01:33:43   Pulling down menus were lightning fast on a Quadro 900 and a massively more powerful

01:33:47   computer pulling down menus were slow because we just went to double buffering and composited

01:33:51   window manager and stuff.

01:33:52   So there are cases where software eats stuff off, but over the long trend all that happens

01:33:56   is we get used to the changes and also the changes become more incremental and not as

01:34:00   fantastic and we get dissatisfied.

01:34:03   is appropriate. We deserve continued improvement up until Moore's law ends and we can't make

01:34:09   things smaller, but we're pretty far away from that, so hang in there.

01:34:14   William Rainish writes, "Is there any reason why John consistently refers to Mac apps as

01:34:18   programs as if he were a PC user?" Ooh, sick burn. The term Mac program just sounds weird

01:34:23   to me, even more so coming from John, who has been a Mac user for so long. That is,

01:34:26   I think William just answered his own question with the phrase "for so long." Am I right,

01:34:31   John?

01:34:32   call them Mac programs? I don't think this is a thing that I do. You absolutely do. Well,

01:34:36   I don't know if you say Mac programs like that phrase with the two words together,

01:34:41   but you absolutely refer to them as programs, not irregularly. I mean, you know, if you're a

01:34:45   programmer and you write programs, so they kind of make it goes. Wait, are we supposed to be appers

01:34:51   now? So the distinction that I, you know, the old person distinction that I have is,

01:34:56   for a very long time, especially in my writing when I was writing for Ars Technica, I refused

01:35:01   to use the term app unless I was talking about an iOS app because app was like you know when you say

01:35:06   app you mean like oh it's like a phone app it was like a term of art for that round of software

01:35:11   innovation for that marketplace for that thing I always said Mac application spelling out the word

01:35:17   application is what I call them because I'm an old Mac user I call things application I would never

01:35:22   call Mac write a Mac program I would call it a Mac application have I said program in the context of

01:35:28   things running the Mac I'm sure because when you're talking about programming you're in the context of

01:35:31   of running a program or whatever, yeah.

01:35:32   I say program because I'm super old

01:35:34   and remember the times before the Mac

01:35:36   when everything that ran on your computer was a program.

01:35:38   Things that are running on your Commodore 64 or your VIC-20,

01:35:41   yeah, those were programs.

01:35:43   You write these programs and basic run programs

01:35:45   on your computer.

01:35:46   So that's probably why I say program because I'm super old.

01:35:48   But in terms of the Mac,

01:35:49   application is where my old man-ness comes out.

01:35:53   And then in the modern era,

01:35:55   you know, I just basically have given into app

01:35:56   because that's what everybody calls it everywhere now.

01:35:58   Like the iPhone has come and swamped that term.

01:36:00   So to give an example, and re-advertise my application

01:36:03   that I continue to fight with using SwiftUI,

01:36:05   SwitchGlass everywhere, and SwitchGlass

01:36:07   in the help documentation and in the help text in the app.

01:36:10   I just called it an app, see?

01:36:12   I refer to things as the app.

01:36:14   It is the app switcher.

01:36:16   That's where all the apps appear.

01:36:17   There are app icons.

01:36:18   Drag an app into this.

01:36:19   I use app everywhere because that's what people expect

01:36:21   in a modern application, and you know, see?

01:36:23   There you go.

01:36:24   (laughing)

01:36:25   I'm doing it.

01:36:26   That's what people expect in a modern application

01:36:28   that everything is called an app.

01:36:30   So I consciously choose to use the modern term

01:36:33   when I know it will be in front of people

01:36:34   who don't care about my old school Mac roots,

01:36:36   but I still think of them as diamond-shaped icons

01:36:40   with a hand in a tool, and they are Mac applications.

01:36:43   - I remember this change actually happening

01:36:44   because this happened as we were users,

01:36:47   because I think when apps started getting used

01:36:51   was the App Store on the iPhone.

01:36:54   It took me a while to start saying app,

01:36:56   'cause it seemed like one of those things

01:36:58   when Steve Jobs announced the App Store,

01:37:00   and he kept saying, "App, app, all these apps,"

01:37:02   it sounded like they were almost trying to belittle them.

01:37:05   Like, "Snacks, we just snack on this little app over here.

01:37:08   "Look, here's an app."

01:37:09   Because they were, in a sense,

01:37:11   they were trying to commoditize apps, and they succeeded,

01:37:14   because they wanted their glorious phone platform

01:37:19   to have lots of little apps you can just snack on,

01:37:22   and you definitely wanna spend all this money on the phone,

01:37:25   and then get all these little apps for it,

01:37:26   with no big deal to get the app,

01:37:28   so they have to be really cheap.

01:37:29   And I think that was in part reflecting

01:37:34   the way that the company,

01:37:36   and actually I think directly that Steve

01:37:39   looked at these things.

01:37:40   I think the way he viewed third-party applications

01:37:44   for the platform is like little snacks.

01:37:47   That to me, it had that connotation

01:37:50   of almost a diminutive kind of term for what we do.

01:37:55   And then it kind of took over as,

01:37:57   well this is what we call all software now.

01:37:59   Everything is an app now.

01:38:01   Well then until later it became a service,

01:38:02   that's the whole thing.

01:38:04   - Like we can all agree though,

01:38:05   that no one should ever call appetizers apps.

01:38:07   - Oh no.

01:38:08   - And especially not appies.

01:38:10   - Oh no, that, yeah.

01:38:10   - No, like if somebody, okay look.

01:38:13   If anybody wants to be my friend,

01:38:14   if we are ever anywhere in existence,

01:38:19   and you refer to a sandwich,

01:38:21   by any abbreviation of a sandwich

01:38:23   that you can possibly think of.

01:38:24   - Sandy, Sando?

01:38:25   You're out.

01:38:26   - Sando?

01:38:27   - We can't be friends anymore.

01:38:29   - Oh goodness.

01:38:29   - I haven't heard Sando before, that's a new one.

01:38:32   - That might be a letter Kenny has--

01:38:33   - Sandy, what is the other ones you've heard?

01:38:35   - I can't even say them, they offend me so much.

01:38:38   - A witch, 'cause there's the restaurant Witch Witch.

01:38:42   - Wasn't it Witchcraft?

01:38:43   - No, that was the one that was really good, no joke.

01:38:46   - It was San Francisco, right?

01:38:47   - Yeah, it was in San Francisco,

01:38:48   it was really genuinely very, very good,

01:38:49   and then I think they all folded.

01:38:51   - And then it closed down.

01:38:52   Isn't that why we left San Francisco?

01:38:53   - Yeah, that was one.

01:38:54   - Yeah, that was it.

01:38:56   Oh man, all right, Fletcher O'Connor writes,

01:38:58   "Recently there's been a lot of discussion

01:38:59   about Casey's transition to Fast Mail.

01:39:01   I'm keen to take up your referral code,"

01:39:03   which is in the show notes.

01:39:04   - Is this why we have this question today?

01:39:06   - I don't think I actually put it in, I really don't,

01:39:08   but at least in part.

01:39:10   "I've been exploring adopting

01:39:11   a custom email domain beforehand.

01:39:13   As a young adult who is too young

01:39:14   to get in on the ground floor,

01:39:16   what would you suggest for acquiring a domain

01:39:18   which is clean and reasonable?

01:39:19   Ideally, I'd love firstname@lastname.com

01:39:22   or .com.a for us down here in Australia, that's A-U.

01:39:26   But obtaining a clean TLD like that

01:39:28   is extremely costly nowadays.

01:39:30   I don't want some weird and wacky TLD

01:39:32   as I still want my email to present professionally.

01:39:34   But I also don't wanna break the bank

01:39:36   in purchasing a domain.

01:39:37   What would you suggest someone in my position do?

01:39:40   If it's just for email and you're not like trying to do web

01:39:43   or anything like that, you could do like

01:39:45   Fletcher@O'Connor.name if it's not already taken

01:39:48   or something, so one of those like semi-wacky TLDs

01:39:51   that are still professional-ish, but not--

01:39:54   - You think oconner.name is available?

01:39:56   (laughing)

01:39:57   'Cause there's a few O'Conners in the world.

01:39:59   - Well, that's why I immediately realized

01:40:00   there would have to be some other, you know--

01:40:01   - I mean, one thing you could do is first name

01:40:04   at first name, last name dot something.

01:40:06   - Yeah.

01:40:07   - Which is slightly redundant, but it's still, you know,

01:40:09   reasonably easy for people to hear and recognize.

01:40:12   It looks professional.

01:40:14   So, you know, if you do first name, last name dot tld,

01:40:16   you have a lot more tld options there.

01:40:19   Just don't do a hyphen.

01:40:20   First name, last name, no hyphen.

01:40:23   - I hear what Fletcher's saying with regard to wacky TLDs.

01:40:25   Like you don't wanna be Fletcher at oconner.pizza

01:40:28   or something like that, like that's just weird.

01:40:30   But there are some reasonable,

01:40:32   like .family is another example.

01:40:34   And again, I'm sure oconner.family is taken, but--

01:40:36   - Well, family doesn't sound professional to me.

01:40:38   - Well, okay, I could get behind that too.

01:40:40   But my point is there are reasonable,

01:40:43   I think there's like .engineer.

01:40:44   There's a surprising amount of TLDs available now

01:40:47   that you could do that are at least reasonably presenting

01:40:50   as a professional.

01:40:52   I know, Jon, what's your solution?

01:40:53   - Are all the com.au's really taken?

01:40:56   I mean, how many people are there in Australia?

01:40:58   Seems like you should be able to find,

01:41:00   it's like an advantage of being in Australia

01:41:01   that you don't have to fight in the dot coms,

01:41:03   that you have the dot coms that they use.

01:41:05   I don't think anyone else wants dot com today,

01:41:07   except for people in Australia.

01:41:08   A similar experience trying to come up with

01:41:12   PlayStation names for my kids that are

01:41:14   not embarrassing to kids, not embarrassing to parents.

01:41:17   - Gamer stuff is the worst.

01:41:18   there are so many billions of gamers you don't realize

01:41:21   'til you try to get your name on any kind of game anything.

01:41:23   - Yep, you try to get any kind of reasonable thing.

01:41:26   Well, anyway, domains I think is actually

01:41:27   an easier situation.

01:41:28   Now, you're not gonna be able to get anything,

01:41:31   you're probably not even gonna be able to get

01:41:32   Fletcher O'Connor or Fletch O'Connor or FL O'Connor

01:41:35   or F O'Connor, those are all gonna be taken, right?

01:41:37   But you sort of get into blue ocean pretty quickly

01:41:41   if you combine two or more words.

01:41:43   And they don't have to be uncommon words, right?

01:41:45   So you can just come up with two nice, pleasing words,

01:41:50   maybe one or zero of which have anything to do

01:41:53   with your name, that look professional.

01:41:56   And it doesn't have to mean anything,

01:41:58   and it doesn't have to prompt people to ask you questions.

01:42:00   It is hard, I'm not saying it's not hard,

01:42:02   but there's a lot of domains out there,

01:42:04   because once you start combining words,

01:42:06   it's like no one has thought of those combination of words.

01:42:09   It's kind of like those passwords that they generate for you

01:42:10   as like, you know, umbrella, hammer, you know,

01:42:14   Toadstool, right?

01:42:16   Like, it's a good password,

01:42:17   'cause it's a weird combination of stuff.

01:42:18   Now, you don't want it to be too long,

01:42:20   but I know it's weird.

01:42:22   You just have to think of something.

01:42:24   You can think of something that's meaningful to you.

01:42:25   You can think of like, I've always liked trees in the forest

01:42:29   and look up different kinds of trees and come up with names.

01:42:31   Make sure it's easy to spell.

01:42:33   It doesn't have alternate spellings.

01:42:34   It doesn't sound like some other word

01:42:36   that's spelled differently.

01:42:38   No hyphens, just not too long.

01:42:41   It is possible.

01:42:42   So I would say take the time,

01:42:44   especially if you're gonna like,

01:42:44   this is gonna be my domain for everything.

01:42:46   Take the time to do it up front.

01:42:47   I tried to do this in my life.

01:42:48   I had a perfect domain name and I could not get it.

01:42:50   The person who had it let it lapse,

01:42:52   but there's that grace period,

01:42:53   you know, like if you let it lapse,

01:42:55   it gets, it's still locked and you can't get it

01:42:57   unless like the grace period goes by.

01:42:59   They let it lapse.

01:43:00   I'm like, now I'm finally gonna get it.

01:43:01   That's how I found out about the whole grace period thing.

01:43:03   And within the grace period, they regot it

01:43:05   and it annoyed me so much.

01:43:07   I spent years just bitterly trying to get that domain name

01:43:09   'cause it would have been perfect for me,

01:43:11   but I couldn't get it.

01:43:11   And it, what it took like 20 something years

01:43:13   for me to settle on Hypercritical,

01:43:14   and I couldn't even get the .com of that,

01:43:16   although I make offers all the time,

01:43:17   and they keep saying, "Do you wanna pay $30,000?"

01:43:19   And I say, "How about 200?"

01:43:20   And they say, "Okay, I'll talk to you next year."

01:43:22   (laughing)

01:43:23   But anyway, hypercritical.co is my name now,

01:43:26   and it's fine, I kinda like the .co,

01:43:27   and the reason I picked .co is just like .com but shorter.

01:43:30   Right, that's why, you know, that's why people pick .co.

01:43:32   That's another example of like a domain that,

01:43:34   I don't know, if it's unprofessional,

01:43:35   if you did like .io or .co,

01:43:37   those both sound pretty professional.

01:43:39   I/O sounds techy, co sounds kind of like company.

01:43:42   There is the possibility that people will be confused,

01:43:44   the .co and .com, so maybe you don't want to do that

01:43:47   professional, like .com is the thing you want to go to.

01:43:49   Like, people know what .com is.

01:43:51   Or .name is probably okay as well.

01:43:53   But honestly, I think in most situations,

01:43:56   like email addresses tend to be electronic,

01:43:59   and people are clicking on them and not writing them in,

01:44:01   so it's not that bad.

01:44:02   But yeah, don't give up.

01:44:04   I believe there is a one or two word .com, .au,

01:44:08   or even plain old .com domain name

01:44:10   that you will be happy with, that is professional,

01:44:12   that can't be misspelled, that is easy to say

01:44:14   over the phone, that is not too long,

01:44:16   and that is not embarrassing.

01:44:18   - Real time follow up, oconner.wtf is available

01:44:21   for $31 American.

01:44:22   - Great.

01:44:23   - And you can make an offer on oconner.name,

01:44:26   minimum offer $200.

01:44:28   - That's not that bad.

01:44:29   - That's not that bad.

01:44:30   - That name isn't that good though, I mean that's not.

01:44:32   - Yeah, for domain names, like there's so many sites

01:44:35   that sell you domain names, if you ever see a thing

01:44:37   that says this domain name is available, make an offer.

01:44:41   That has no connection to anybody

01:44:43   wanting to sell a domain name, just FYI.

01:44:45   Everybody will say, sure, just tell me

01:44:48   how much you're willing to pay,

01:44:49   and they will go off and try to make that happen,

01:44:51   but don't think because you see that

01:44:52   that there is some person or company

01:44:54   that owns a domain name that is trying to sell it to you.

01:44:56   That is almost never the case.

01:44:58   - So for the longest time, list.com was taken by,

01:45:03   and it was legitimate, it wasn't just squatting,

01:45:05   it was taken by Long Island Soda Systems,

01:45:07   And I was too young when the Long Island Soda Systems,

01:45:12   I don't know if it collapsed,

01:45:14   if they just didn't care about the web or whatever,

01:45:16   but it eventually got released.

01:45:18   And so now I'm looking at a seto, cedo.com,

01:45:22   scbo.com.

01:45:24   - Oh yeah, they're a big domain,

01:45:25   like broker for domain transfers, basically.

01:45:28   - Right, so I'm looking at list.com.

01:45:30   This premium domain, and I guess it's premium

01:45:32   'cause it's short, is for sale in partnership

01:45:35   with Cedo, Seto, whatever it's called.

01:45:37   Your offer, US dollars make offer below the big green make offer button.

01:45:41   Minimum offer $200,000 USD.

01:45:44   It is four letters long.

01:45:46   Although to give, to give an example of like, say domains are available.

01:45:49   So, you know, I recently was selling t-shirts from one of my other podcasts.

01:45:53   It's called Reconcilable Differences.

01:45:54   And, uh, when it, when I made that podcast and it was like, oh, we should have a

01:45:57   Twitter account, Reconcilable Differences is a mouthful.

01:46:00   And I think it's too long for a turtle handle.

01:46:01   So I said, oh, let's see if rectiffs is available.

01:46:03   I got the rectiffs Twitter handle.

01:46:05   And when I came, that was like seven years ago.

01:46:08   Just this past month, I said, oh, we're doing a shirt sale.

01:46:10   I need to get a URL for the shirt sale

01:46:12   because it's hosted on its own site or whatever.

01:46:14   It just redirects to the Cotton Bureau thing

01:46:16   when you click through.

01:46:16   Anyway, I said, let's see, is rectiffs.com available?

01:46:21   Rectiffs.com was available, R-E-C-D-I-F-F-S.com.

01:46:25   - D-I-F-- - A short domain name,

01:46:27   exactly what I would want it, matches the Twitter handle

01:46:30   seven years after I started the podcast,

01:46:33   and it was available.

01:46:33   I got rectiffs.com, I got rectiffs.store,

01:46:36   I got rectiffs.org, that's why all these names are taken.

01:46:39   - Wait, why did, if you had the .com,

01:46:41   why did you get any others?

01:46:43   - 'Cause .store is fun.

01:46:45   - I guess.

01:46:45   - They were redirected to each other.

01:46:47   I wanted to cover all bases.

01:46:48   If people didn't remember the .store

01:46:49   and they just typed rectiffs, you'd get to it.

01:46:51   Like, no one was not buying a shirt

01:46:52   because they couldn't find the page, right?

01:46:54   But the point is, rectiffs, I know that's weird,

01:46:57   but you're like, but see, because it's a combination

01:46:58   of two things, two things that happen to be an abbreviation,

01:47:01   and it's exactly the domain I want.

01:47:03   I don't even want ReconcilableDifferences.com,

01:47:05   I want rectifs, 'cause it's much easier to say.

01:47:08   So don't give up on the idea that all the domains are taken.

01:47:11   There are ones out there,

01:47:12   just waiting for you to find them.

01:47:14   - Dave Brash writes, "What's the proper etiquette

01:47:16   "for retiring a Mac to the Syracuse Museum in the sky?

01:47:18   "Format first, or close the lid and pack it away,

01:47:21   "time capsule style?

01:47:22   "If I do the latter, will it poison my iCloud data

01:47:24   "when I fire it up in a decade?"

01:47:26   - Oh, that's interesting.

01:47:27   - iCloud, how many of my Macs have iCloud?

01:47:30   - Do any of them have mobile meal?

01:47:32   (laughing)

01:47:33   So my intentional strategy with that is

01:47:37   you just close it up, you don't touch anything on it.

01:47:39   'Cause it's supposed to be like a time capsule.

01:47:41   Like this is what my computing life was like.

01:47:43   You don't wipe the hard drives, you don't copy them,

01:47:46   you don't remove anything, stuff is exactly as it was

01:47:48   the moment it was decommissioned, right?

01:47:50   Now yes, in theory, if you take the thing out

01:47:52   and turn it on, like oh, it's gonna poison my iCloud.

01:47:54   But trust me, it's not.

01:47:55   Like they won't be able to connect,

01:47:56   they won't work correctly.

01:47:58   You probably won't even be able to get them on the WiFi.

01:48:00   Like they won't be plugged into Ethernet.

01:48:02   or it'll be a 68K Mac that has no idea

01:48:04   how to get on the internet and you'll be, you know,

01:48:06   launching a Mac TCP or whatever

01:48:08   and try to open a PPP connection to somewhere.

01:48:11   It's not as a big a concern as you would think,

01:48:13   but anyway, the reason I don't touch them is,

01:48:15   well, one, it's less work, and two, that's what I want.

01:48:17   I want the snapshot of exactly what things were like.

01:48:19   I want all my icons, all my window positions

01:48:22   back in the days when a Mac remembered them,

01:48:24   you know, just everything the way it was.

01:48:26   - To go back a step, flowcon.com,

01:48:28   which is probably a mouthful, but F-L-O-C-O-N-N.com

01:48:32   for Fletcher O'Connor.

01:48:33   - I would not pick that, it's too easy to misspell.

01:48:36   - Oh, fine.

01:48:36   - I don't know how to spell that when you say that.

01:48:38   - Also, it sounds like some kind of HVAC company.

01:48:40   - It does, actually.

01:48:41   - Don't be tied to having it with your name.

01:48:43   It could be anything that you think you're interested in.

01:48:46   It could be just like, you know.

01:48:47   - It's only $14 though, Flowcon, Flowcon.com.

01:48:51   - I don't know, there's a service I can provide.

01:48:52   You just have to sit down with somebody and say,

01:48:53   "What things do you like?

01:48:55   "What things or words or feelings or places

01:48:57   are meaningful to you and then just try to come up with stuff.

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01:49:13   Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin.

01:49:20   Cause it was accidental.

01:49:22   Oh it was accidental.

01:49:24   John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him

01:49:31   'Cause it was accidental, it was accidental

01:49:36   And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm

01:49:42   And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them

01:49:46   @C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S

01:49:50   So that's Casey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M,

01:49:55   Auntie Marco Armin, S-I-R-A-C,

01:50:00   U-S-A-C-R-A-C-U-S-A, it's accidental.

01:50:04   Accidental.

01:50:06   They didn't mean to.

01:50:08   Accidental.

01:50:09   Accidental.

01:50:11   Tech podcast so long.

01:50:16   I think the Swift UI thing is actually improving.

01:50:19   - Oh, tell me more.

01:50:21   - I think I have finally figured out

01:50:24   how to use the new Navigation Split View API

01:50:27   in a way that I don't hate.

01:50:29   There's a couple of bugs that I actually have to file

01:50:31   bug reports for, like ASAP, because it's just simple stuff

01:50:35   like when you, if you change from light mode to dark mode,

01:50:38   it doesn't regenerate some of the icons

01:50:40   and like the back buttons and the toolbars

01:50:42   and stuff like that, and so they have the old color.

01:50:44   So I gotta file stuff like that,

01:50:45   and if they don't fix that before release,

01:50:47   I literally can't use this.

01:50:49   unless I can find some hack work around.

01:50:50   But assuming that that kind of stuff

01:50:52   can get fixed before release, I think I actually

01:50:54   might have finally gotten it to a place where I can use it.

01:50:59   So we're going to see.

01:51:01   I'm going to proceed and see what else I can customize

01:51:04   about this and see how much more of my UI

01:51:09   I can get to function in this environment

01:51:12   to some kind of minimum spec.

01:51:14   But I think I'm getting there.

01:51:17   And there's still certain things that are comically obtuse,

01:51:22   and I'm still hitting walls, and I'm still

01:51:24   hitting weird behavior where, for some reason,

01:51:28   if I write it this way, it doesn't update the state

01:51:32   when the value changes.

01:51:33   But if I write it this other kind of similar way,

01:51:35   for some reason, that works.

01:51:37   There's still things like that I'm figuring out,

01:51:41   or at least plowing through over time.

01:51:43   But I am actually making progress.

01:51:46   I'm not hating it as much as last week.

01:51:50   - I was making huge amounts of progress

01:51:53   in my hacking on my app with SwiftUI.

01:51:57   But I always want more, 'cause it's a Mac app

01:52:00   and I know how Mac apps are supposed to behave

01:52:01   and it's like, but it should do this and it should do that.

01:52:03   And as soon as I get something working,

01:52:04   it's like I fight with it, fight with it,

01:52:05   and I get it working and it's like,

01:52:06   but I also should do this other thing.

01:52:07   It's just compounding and I feel like

01:52:10   I'm getting to the point where I'm going to have to,

01:52:13   this is silly, but when you're doing it,

01:52:16   something like this, or it's like a hobby project

01:52:18   that's not gonna actually make me any money,

01:52:20   I will have to eventually break down

01:52:22   and read all the articles that people are recommending

01:52:23   for like, we'll put it maybe in a future show notes

01:52:27   if I ever read it, but like lots of people recommended

01:52:29   like, hey, you should read this,

01:52:30   you actually know how SwiftUI works under the covers

01:52:33   to Marcus point last week,

01:52:34   like understanding what it's actually doing

01:52:36   and not just like poking at the surface,

01:52:38   but understanding it at a deep level

01:52:39   is the key to doing really complicated things, right?

01:52:43   Simple things you can get by

01:52:44   with just sort of understanding it,

01:52:45   but at a certain point you really have to know

01:52:47   how the machinery works to understand why,

01:52:50   like I've already done things that I'm like,

01:52:51   I'm not sure why this fixes it.

01:52:53   I have theories about why it fixes it,

01:52:56   and the theories seem to be borne out by my experimentations

01:52:58   'cause I always have, I have my project,

01:53:00   and then I have a playground right next to it

01:53:02   where I'm making the toy examples, like testing my ideas.

01:53:05   Fuck, playground is such a mess.

01:53:06   Like that, it stops working like so often.

01:53:09   I have like, quit Xcode and restart.

01:53:10   But anyway, I'm always testing my theories,

01:53:13   but I really do need to,

01:53:14   I've been avoiding understanding it at a deep level

01:53:16   'cause it's like, ah, this is a fun thing,

01:53:18   I don't need to get that,

01:53:19   but I think I have to get that deep.

01:53:20   And then the other experience I had today

01:53:22   to contrast with my SwiftUI experience is,

01:53:24   my app is, it's an AppKit app,

01:53:26   but it uses SwiftUI for its one little thing

01:53:29   that's on the screen.

01:53:31   But other parts of it are just plain old AppKit,

01:53:33   and you know, like dialog boxes or whatever.

01:53:35   And one of my dialogs, I was adding support

01:53:38   for a bunch of features today,

01:53:39   and I couldn't figure out how to do something.

01:53:41   And the difference between SwiftUI, a four-year-old API,

01:53:43   in AppKit, a what, 30-year-old API,

01:53:46   is that when I'm doing stuff with AppKit,

01:53:47   and I know neither one of these things.

01:53:49   I don't know SwiftUI, I don't know AppKit.

01:53:50   Like, I'm not an experienced with any of these APIs.

01:53:53   So it's like clean, I'm starting from a level position

01:53:55   for both of them.

01:53:56   But with AppKit, I know that there's a way to do it.

01:53:58   It's just a question of me finding.

01:54:00   SwiftUI, very often there's not.

01:54:02   But like, I was trying to get something to work in AppKit,

01:54:05   and it's like, I can't figure it out,

01:54:06   and there's like so many APIs,

01:54:07   there's just so many features and so many things,

01:54:09   and it's just, it's like a giant forest,

01:54:11   and it's like, one of these things does what I want,

01:54:12   but I can't find it, SwiftUI, there's four methods

01:54:15   and if they don't do what you want, that's it.

01:54:17   - Yeah, yeah.

01:54:19   - Or like, the one that you do what you want,

01:54:20   like I said, you know, oh, these APIs exist,

01:54:23   but if you want this one feature that is the basic feature,

01:54:26   you gotta increase your target OS to Mac OS 12,

01:54:31   because that feature isn't available in 11.

01:54:33   So, and the good thing about AppKit is I can go to the Slack

01:54:36   with all the old AppKit people and say,

01:54:38   hey, how do you do this?

01:54:39   And out of nowhere, somebody comes and says,

01:54:41   oh, it's just easy, let's just do this,

01:54:42   and it's always a one line solution in AppKit.

01:54:44   It's like, just type this, and it's like, yeah,

01:54:46   you pass negative one to this thing,

01:54:48   and it targets the whole thing

01:54:49   instead of the individual item, and it's like,

01:54:52   and it's documented, it's documented in the documentation.

01:54:54   I just never had gone to that documentation

01:54:56   because there's so much documentation and so many features.

01:54:58   So not that, you know, they're both frustrating,

01:55:01   like not knowing how to do something.

01:55:03   Oh, and the other thing is when I couldn't do it in AppKit,

01:55:05   I was in SwiftUI mode, and I'm like, you know what,

01:55:06   I'll just do it myself.

01:55:08   What I was trying to do was get an entire table view

01:55:09   to highlight instead of just an individual row,

01:55:11   because when I drag something into the table view

01:55:13   it auto sorts, so if I use the default highlighting

01:55:16   it makes it look like you're inserting the item

01:55:18   between items two and three or whatever,

01:55:20   but you're really not, you don't have that precision.

01:55:21   As soon as you drop it I'm gonna resort it, right?

01:55:23   So I wanted to just highlight the whole thing.

01:55:25   I couldn't figure out how to do it,

01:55:26   but I'm like hey, this is AppKit,

01:55:27   I'll just draw the freaking highlight myself.

01:55:29   I have total control of everything,

01:55:31   just subclass, override, draw a big rectangle,

01:55:33   and you know, that works pretty well,

01:55:36   but I was like, you know, this is AppKit,

01:55:38   I shouldn't have to do that.

01:55:39   That's a Swift UI thing.

01:55:40   And sure enough, I didn't delete all that code,

01:55:42   delete that entire subclass,

01:55:44   put one line into an init method

01:55:45   to set the thing the way I wanted it and it did it.

01:55:47   So yeah, 30 year old APIs, pretty sweet.

01:55:50   - Pretty good.

01:55:53   Yeah, I actually, on a lark, I searched,

01:55:57   so I had three different major areas of complaint last week

01:56:01   and on a lark I searched for the class.

01:56:05   I think it's photos, or it's a view actually,

01:56:08   Photos Picker, I think it's called.

01:56:10   And I searched for that in SwiftUI,

01:56:13   either on Reddit specifically, or maybe I just did

01:56:15   like a DuckDuckGo search, I don't recall exactly.

01:56:17   But I found a Reddit post that told me exactly

01:56:20   what I needed to know to solve the problem.

01:56:22   Now, granted, it would have been nice if I could find that

01:56:23   in Apple's freaking documentation,

01:56:25   but at least I found it somewhere.

01:56:27   And so that one of my three issues has been resolved.

01:56:29   And so all my god-awful code that I was using

01:56:32   to present a photo picker in the existing version

01:56:37   masquerade, that can all go away if I'm willing to require iOS 16 right away, which I pretty

01:56:42   much am. So here we are. And I'm pretty excited about that. All my other issues, though, still

01:56:47   remain. Probably self-created, but who knows?

01:56:50   [BEEPING]