492: Umbrella Hammer Toadstool
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- Oh, hang on, I forgot, hang on a second.
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I gotta look me back in a moment.
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- Where are you going?
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- We just started.
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- I know, I had to turn off the air conditioner.
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I was looking at my levels and like,
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why is there, why is there that little thing flipping?
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- That's why Marco has eyes-a-tope, it's fine.
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- No, I'm gonna go turn it off.
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I always turn it off, I'll be back in a second.
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- I know exactly how the air conditioner looks
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in the frequency graph, 'cause it has this low mmm,
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you know, whenever the compressor's running.
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So, and you can see just this bright orange line,
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right like at 60 hertz, mmm.
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Oh, that's, and then you see it cycle on for a while,
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and then it's off for a while,
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and then it cycles back on.
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- Now, my brother-in-law and sister-in-law,
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their air conditioner in their townhouse
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like figuratively exploded the other day,
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and they were lent a in-window, what do you call it,
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AC unit like John has everywhere,
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and they were saying in the defense of John Syracuse
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and your ridiculous air conditioning setup
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that the modern in-window units,
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aside from the fact that it's put in the window
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via duct tape and cardboard,
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leaving that aside, they actually throw
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a whole lot of very, very cold air.
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- Oh, they're very strong.
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They're super big and ugly and oftentimes loud
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and nowhere near as efficient often as,
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although actually the new ones
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are actually pretty efficient,
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but yeah, they do actually function
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as air conditioners considerably well
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if you're willing to let them.
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- Oh, I have to warn you,
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I've bought many in-window air conditioners.
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There are definitely good ones and bad ones.
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Like, it's hard to tell.
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It's definitely not weight-based, I can tell you that,
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because I have some very heavy ones
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that are just not great.
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I like, the one that's in our room now
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is I think it was like a wire cutter picker or whatever,
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and it is by far the most powerful,
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but we have like, for example, the one in my son's room,
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I got him like one of those quiet ones,
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And it's quiet, but it's like one third as good
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as the non-quiet one in terms of cooling.
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So I guess it depends on what your priorities are.
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- I don't know.
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I still think, as we mentioned, I don't know,
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it was a couple months ago I think that we went around
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with Jon about this, but I still maintain
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mini splits all the way, Jon.
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- Yeah, frankly that is the best option.
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- Oh, and you wanna destroy your house, sure.
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- They're professionals, they do this for a living,
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they're not gonna destroy your house.
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- All the little people around here have them,
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and you can see all the houses,
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they look like something like an "Aliens" movie
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with all the tubing going around
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for the little refrigerant lines.
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And then inside the house,
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you got a bunch of giant things on your wall.
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And there's no place for them on the inside of my walls,
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and I don't want all the tubes on the outside.
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And also, on top of that, on my stupid property,
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there's not even any place for the fan thingy.
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- You know there's also holes in your house
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and stuff on your walls for electricity, right?
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- No, there's one hole in my house for electricity,
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and there's outlets on the wall that are very small
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and in my house they're very sparse.
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- I guess that's true, you don't have that many.
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And you know, there's things like,
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we've decided that it's nice to have water
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and plumbing in the house,
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and so we make a hole inside of the house
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to allow pipes in.
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We also have all these things in the house
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that emit water, but--
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- And my water and my gas come in underground,
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so those are holes in the basement.
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- There's still holes.
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- But the mini splits, you gotta have a refrigerant line
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going to wherever you have one.
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I see them on people's houses, they look so bad.
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Even when you try to paint them,
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it just looks like a bunch of bulging veins
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all over people's houses.
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- I'm just saying, the point, you know,
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we are willing to make exceptions
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to the aesthetic purity of our houses
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in order to achieve essential services.
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So if you feel that cooling is an essential service--
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- Amen, brother.
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- I'm doing that with window units,
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and I think it is less of a permanent damaging of the house,
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and it does just fine.
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- Oh my God.
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Let's start with some follow-up. Let's talk about the M2 MacBook Air, which surprise surprise thermal throttles
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But it's still better than M1 MacBook Air, which is pretty exciting
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So there's been reviews actually the first shipments happened yesterday as we record we are recording on the evening of Saturday the 16th and
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Some people were lucky enough to receive some of theirs. Although I haven't personally seen too much of that, but the reviews are up
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Jason Snell, I'm sorry, just Jason at six colors put up a great review
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There's a great review at the verge. I read a groupers review, which I thought was very very good as well
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Just earlier today
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So yeah, apparently it's pretty freaking great all things considered not as great as the m1 MacBook Air though
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This is the thing we talked about
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to the m2 MacBook Pro with all its weirdness being in the old case and having the touch bar and not having magsafe and
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then we got on talking about the
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Single chip SSD that's half the speed of when you have two chips and that's a problem
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And of course the potential for thermal throttling there which still seems fuzzy to me.
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But anyway, knockbook air is out now and in the reviews
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It seems pretty clear that it throttles everybody who's done even the most casual tests and then what they're testing it against by the way
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Is they're testing it against the m2 MacBook Pro
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so it's basically like the same chip but with a fan and without a fan and
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the one with a fan does better than the one without a fan on the same tests and
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Thermal throttling is the obvious thing to blame and it makes sense. You know, one of them has a fan one of them doesn't
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There was a teardown of the m2 MacBook Air and there's not much going on in there cooling for cooling other than like thermal pads
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And stuff I just want to say like there's no magic inside there. There's not some exotic cooling solution
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There's no liquid metal cooling like in the PlayStation 5. It's just thermal pads and stuff. And so yeah, it's a tougher a thermal environment
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this is not what I think is a is an issue with the m2 MacBook Air because
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If you're gonna have a machine that's going to sacrifice
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you know, thermals for being fanless, make it this one,
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because most people are never gonna thermal throttle
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'cause they're not buying an M2 MacBook Air
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so they can export 8K video on it, right?
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Not what the machine is made for.
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So I think this is exactly the right choice.
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I would definitely prefer to have no fan
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and have it thermal throttle on their max load
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than the reverse, because there's the whole point
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of the real MacBook Pro line, not the M2 MacBook Pro,
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but the real whole point of that is those are the ones
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that are bigger and thicker and have fans
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and are high performance and blah, blah, blah.
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And these ones, even though they're very powerful,
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not intended for that purpose.
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They're supposed to be slim and light
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and fanlessness is an incredibly valuable feature to me
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and I think most people like it.
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And even if they don't even know about it,
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even if they don't care that it's fanless,
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it's just one less thing to go wrong.
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Less cat hair, less bugs, less everything
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that being sucked through that case all the time.
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So I think that's great.
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But the base storage is slow, right?
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So it's only got the one chip
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And so it's got the same gotcha as the M2 MacBook Pro.
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And the M2 MacBook Pro has all sorts of reasons to avoid it.
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The M2 MacBook Air would be nice if it didn't, but it does.
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Don't buy the base model M2 MacBook Air
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because it has very slow SSD
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as compared to the one that has two chips, which is a shame.
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- Well, I mean, I would clarify that.
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Don't buy the base model storage
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because it's not enough space.
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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- It isn't like this is gonna feel like a hard drive.
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It's still one SSD and it's gonna be very, very fast
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and you're not gonna really notice
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unless you're doing some very specific things.
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And if you are doing those specific things,
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you probably need more space.
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256 is very, very small.
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It is likely to irritate you unless you know exactly
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that you really don't need more than that.
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If you are currently on a computer that has 256
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and you are not slamming against it, then fine,
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maybe you can have it.
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But I would say for literally anybody else, get 512.
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And in fact, if you have to,
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I was listening to the Six Colors member special live stream
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where Jason and Dan Morin were going through
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different questions and I totally agree
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with what their conclusion was.
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First of all, you should become a Six Colors member
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so you can hear this as well,
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as well as other great content
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and I love their subscriber podcast.
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But anyway, if you can't afford to update the storage
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to 512 on that low-end MacBook Air,
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maybe get the M1 MacBook Air instead
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and use the savings to get 512 on that.
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That's how important that is
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and how much of a pain in the butt
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that is likely to be for you in the future.
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'Cause you can't ever upgrade the storage.
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You should get what you can now
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because you don't really have a choice later
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and 512 is what almost everybody should get at least.
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- So related to this, I guess this is related
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to both the M2 MacBook Pro and the M2 MacBook Air
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because they both have the one chip
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and they both suffer from the slow speeds because of it.
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If you get the one chip model, the 256 gig SSD,
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and you also get the base RAM, eight gigs of RAM,
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when you do anything that pushes these machines into swap,
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the slow SSD punishes the swapping much more so
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in other computers.
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So in a lot of the tests that I saw
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in the MaxTech YouTube channel,
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they would do the M2 MacBook Pro or M2 MacBook Air
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versus another computer with similar specs
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with the bigger SSD.
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And they were very similar until you push one of them to swap.
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And they were doing it by just opening Chrome tabs,
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as most people would do.
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And it didn't take much to push it into swap.
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They'd say, OK, here it is without Chrome running,
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and they're about the same speed.
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And here it is with Chrome open with 10 tabs, which I don't
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think is unreasonable, but that's me.
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Well, you wouldn't.
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But still, I feel like you could find yourself
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pretty quickly in a situation where you have Chrome with 10
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tabs open, and it just destroys performance.
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Because as soon as you get close to swap,
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now your performance is dependent on that SSD speed,
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and the SSD is slower.
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On top of that, Ars Technica review,
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did I put the link in there?
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I should put it in, anyway.
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The Ars Technica review of the M2 MacBook Air
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shows that even if you get the one terabyte model,
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the SSD is slower in some circumstances
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than the one in the M1 MacBook Air.
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I don't know, but you can look at their tests, right?
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It's slower in read, but it was faster in write.
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And that doesn't make sense because there's two chips
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in both of them, maybe they went to a different vendor,
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maybe there's something else we don't know.
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So the M1 MacBook Air, like we were praising that machine
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to high heaven ages ago,
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because it basically didn't have any downsides.
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Now with the advent of the M2 MacBook Air,
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the downside that it has is there's an alternative
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with MagSafe, right?
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So it has dimmed the shining light
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of the M1 MacBook Air a tiny bit.
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But beyond that, the M1 MacBook Air
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is still a phenomenal machine.
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So if you wanna save money, get that one.
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Oh, and speaking of the SSDs,
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so here's the official spokesperson.
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So this is from The Verge, and The Verge
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has a policy now of naming-- they
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put the name of the person who speaks to them.
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Do you remember when The Verge posted their thing,
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like we have a new policy for the company?
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No more on background.
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Yeah, no more just saying Apple says.
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That's a good policy.
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I like that.
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Yeah, but anyway, you get to know people's names now.
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So here it is.
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Apple spokesperson Michelle DeRio provided the following
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statement on the SSD speed of the base model MacBook Air.
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So this is Apple's spin on the fact
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that they've got one chip in there, and it's slower.
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Thanks to the performance increases of M2,
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the new MacBook Air and 13-inch MacBook Pro
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are incredibly fast, even compared to Mac laptops
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with the powerful M1 chip.
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These new systems use a higher density NAND
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that delivers 256 gigabyte storage using a single chip.
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While benchmarks of the 256 gigabyte SSD
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may show a difference compared to the previous generation,
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the performance of these M2-based systems
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for real-world activities are even faster.
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So what they're saying is--
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- I love that those two things don't follow from each other.
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- Well, they're saying it's smaller.
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Look, it's higher density.
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It's like, yep, it's one chip, now we get it, right?
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But they're basically saying,
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it's slower if you benchmark just the storage,
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but if you do a real-world task, it's faster.
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And that's borne out by most of the benchmarks.
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If you compare the M2 MacBook Air
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versus the M1 MacBook Air, if you don't push it to swap,
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even if the M2 MacBook Air throttles,
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it still usually tends to beat the M1 MacBook Air.
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But the swap factor is the big thing.
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Like, if you're not doing a disk benchmark,
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like, oh, I don't care, I just wanna care
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about real-world tasks.
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but you might be doing a real-world task
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while having literally anything else open,
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or like you're waiting for a job to finish
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and you're browsing the web
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and it's slaughtering your performance,
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making it significantly slower than the M1 model.
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Something to think about.
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So again, I don't think this is that big of a deal
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because most people won't notice this.
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If you only ever use it for email and web browsing
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and sending people messages and stuff,
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you're probably fine no matter what.
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So don't freak out about this,
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but for those in the know,
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Do not get the base model of the M2 MacBook Air.
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Do not get the base model of the M2 MacBook Pro or probably any model of the M2 MacBook
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Pro unless you're really interested in battery life.
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That's another thing that came up.
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The M2 MacBook Pro does have bigger batteries, again, at the sacrifice of MagSafe and you
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have a Touch Bar and yada yada.
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And we'll talk a little bit more about the Touch Bar later, believe it or not.
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There's Touch Bar news somehow.
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It's important, I think, to put all this in context though.
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These machines, this is Apple's cheapest series of laptops.
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I guess I know they're still selling the old ones,
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that's why I'm saying series, the MacBook Air series.
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This is their cheapest series of laptops.
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And to get significantly higher, pro-level stuff,
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it does cost significantly more money.
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So you're looking at something that's in the 1200
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to 1500 dollar price range in most configurations
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people are gonna be buying.
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And when you compare that to the differences between
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the low-end and high-end products 10 years ago,
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or maybe even five years ago,
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There were vast differences,
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and you'd buy the low-end product,
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and it would actually feel slow right from day one.
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These machines are not like that.
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The gap between how these feel and how they perform
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in almost every task that almost everybody does,
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between the base models of,
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the cheapest MacBook Air you can get,
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even the base model M1 version, even that,
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or heck, let's hobble the SSD, the base model M2 version.
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Okay, the cheapest model of that.
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Compare that to the top of the line Mac Studio,
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and in almost every kind of task that most people do,
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you won't even feel a difference between those two products,
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except one has a loud fan,
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and the other one has a very small screen.
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But otherwise, the difference between the low end
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and the high end is pretty much not noticeable anymore
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for a vast quantity of tasks.
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And it isn't just like, you can't just say like,
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oh well now, I'm a developer, so I will notice everything.
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I must have the absolute highest everything,
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maxed out everything, just so I can do my development work.
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Nope, don't need it.
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I mean, it helps, it might make certain things
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a little bit faster, but the difference,
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if you haven't used one of these M1 or M2 based machines yet
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you might be overthinking how much these upgrades
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will matter for you.
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And in reality, these are so fast at almost everything,
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you don't even know what you're in for.
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Like you don't need, if you're like really stressing
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about not being able to afford or justify
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certain spec improvements, don't get them.
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You probably don't need them.
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Like, you know, storage space is one thing,
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'cause that's something that you kinda can't, you know,
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mess around too much with.
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RAM is a little tricky because the SSD
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and bus subsystems on these are so fast
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that if you do have to swap here and there,
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it's a lot less of a hit than it used to be
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in terms of noticeability and performance
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in most workloads.
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And you only really need like the really high core count
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Pro and Max chips or the really high core count GPUs
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if you're doing workloads that really do stress
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those things and most workloads don't.
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Even things that we used to call Pro.
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Like if you're doing photo editing, development work,
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even a lot of types of video editing,
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like maybe more casual style video editing,
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most of that, you're not gonna notice much of a difference
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between the cheapest laptop they sell
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and the most expensive desktop they sell these days.
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That's how great all these are.
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So if you need to make a tough decision
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about what specs or what model to get,
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you kinda can't go wrong with any of these,
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except the M2 MacBook Pro, don't get that.
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But with the exception of pretty much
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everything else, they're all great.
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They're all amazing machines, they're all good dogs brand.
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Even the very cheapest one of these laptops
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is gonna be significantly better than you think it is.
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- Although I would say the thing that some regular people do
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like if you're doing anything that's like a batch job
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like where you set it to do something
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and it shows up progress where you go have dinner.
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Like if you literally do anything like that ever,
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depend if you get one of the ones with the single chip
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and 8GB of RAM, it can end up being twice as slow as an M2 MacBook Air was with the
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two chips because it's a disk-bound task or it pushes it into a swap.
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Very easily, now if you don't have anything to compare that to, are you comparing it to
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an Intel thing, yeah it'll still be fast.
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But it is a shame to know that you buy this fancy new machine, especially if you're upgrading
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from an M1 model or something and you expect it to be faster and it goes half the speed
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because you're swapping and the SSD kills it.
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So I would still keep that in mind.
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If you ever do anything that has a progress bar that you're impatiently waiting for that
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takes more than 10 minutes or whatever, and it's not that hard to do that.
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You won't notice the difference while you're editing the video, you're in iMovie, you're
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moving things around, everything's fine.
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It's when you do export or send it to YouTube or whatever, that type of thing that takes
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a while to run, you don't want that to run at half the speed of an M1 MacBook Air and
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you could find yourself in that situation if you're not careful with the base config.
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So I'll throw that in there.
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Oh, and since you mentioned the Mac Studio and the fans, I just want to give you an update
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on that. For people who haven't heard past episodes, I got the Mac Studio. I don't like
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fan noise. I put it on the desk. I decided I could still hear the fan, so I bought this
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3D printed plastic cage from Etsy that exactly fits the Mac Studio and I stuck it to the
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underside of my desk. This is not my desk, this is my wife's desk. I stuck it to the
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underside of her desk. And I have to say, that solution, it is 100% silent. Like, even
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if I try really hard to hear the fan, I can't. If I'm sitting at the desk and literally everything
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else in the entire neighborhood is quiet, not just everything in my house is quiet,
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but anything in the neighborhood to be quiet, I can maybe pick it up.
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So as we know, the Mac Studio, no matter what you do to it, the Mac Studio with the M1 Mac
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strip in it, no matter what you do to it, the fans never get any faster, so it is effectively
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So now it is not only silent, but also invisible, because it's not on my wife's desk anymore.
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She just has the Apple Studio display with cables that go down the back, and a keyboard
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and a mouse.
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That's her whole computer.
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iMac without the iMac inside. Stuck to the bottom of her desk is this little
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thing but it's completely out of sight and out of mind so I'm pretty happy with
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the solution. I was nervous about the 3d printed cage you know getting stress
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fractures or cracking because I don't know you know how strong this 3d
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printed plastic is so I did actually get some safety straps for the thing.
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Sent by a listener to ADP especially since that's a place where my
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dog goes she stays under there a lot like under that desk and just kind of
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snoozes down there, I don't want a Mac Studio falling on her.
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- That's a heavy thing.
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- Two feet away, but yeah, anyway.
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So I got some safety straps, I'll put a link in the show
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on these things that listeners of the show sent me.
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They're like perfect for this application.
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I was wondering what I was gonna buy for this,
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and I got these things, and they're absolutely perfect.
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They're overkill, they're metal cables
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with metal eyelets at the end.
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But yeah, I just put a bunch of those across there
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and screwed them in, so now I've got
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belt and suspenders for that Mac Studio.
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- All right, so to go back to the M2 MacBook Air,
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you teased a little bit about a tear down.
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So what was going on in Max Tech's tear down?
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- They tore it down and what they do on that channel
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always fascinates me because, yeah,
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so they're gonna crack the machine open,
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you know, it's a thing you do.
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Like a lot of these things are not easy to take apart
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or you take it apart once and that's it,
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but they tore it apart before they did
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their thermal testing.
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It's like, do the thermal testing first.
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You're invalidating all of your work, why?
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'Cause now all you're doing is testing
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how well you put the thing back together.
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And let me tell you, when you take this thing apart
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and strip it down to like,
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so you can see the M2 chip on there,
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it's never going back to the way it was.
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If you look at how it is,
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like the motherboard is covered with this,
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covered on like both sides with a full length,
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like thermal pad sticker with thicker thermal pads
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in different places,
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plus, you know, thermal paste on top of the M2.
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It's a mess in there.
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But anyway, you should watch the tear down video
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if you wanna see what it's like
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and why you should never do what they did.
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It's just, you know, but like I said, it's not exotic.
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It's thermal pads.
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Have you ever seen the little pads
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that use them in the consoles a lot, right?
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It's fairly cheap.
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It's just some material that spreads the heat
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and it spreads it to these little metal plates
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that are inside there.
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There may be like a very thin vapor chamber thing,
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but according to their tests,
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when you look at it with like one of those IR cameras,
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the heat spreader is not spreading the heat much.
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The heat, the hotspot on the thermal camera is the M2
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and it spreads a little bit or whatever.
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So, but that seems to be adequate
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for it to do okay thermal throttling
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on the other extreme conditions,
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and I think that's fine for their lowest end laptop,
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and I definitely appreciate it not having a fan.
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Oh, and then one more thing they found in the teardown
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is they found what they say,
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I haven't confirmed this or anything,
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but they found what they think is an ultra wideband chip
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in the M2 MacBook Air.
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And I think that would be the first
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ultra wideband chip in a Mac.
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Do you recall for that one?
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- I thought all of the Apple Silicon Series models had one,
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but I could be misremembering.
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- Well, anyway, I don't think there's any application
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for ultra wideband in the Mac yet.
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Like unlike the phones where they have the thing
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where you could be close to somebody
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and the airdrop and stuff, like whatever they made up
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before the AirTags were out.
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Yeah, so this makes me think of the previous rumor
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about AirPods, you know, going away from Bluetooth
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and moving to ultra wideband for audio
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for a bunch of reasons.
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It'll be, you know, better, more efficient, lower power,
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better bandwidth for lossless audio,
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and hopefully better in all the ways that Bluetooth is bad.
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So we'll see, we'll see if anything comes of that,
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but just throw that out there,
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we'll probably follow up in the coming months
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if whether there really is an ultra wide matchup.
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isn't in the recent ones, like the little thing
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that shows their face and like messages or whatever,
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I have to hit the messages icon
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and then you have to type their name,
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so I wanna share it with my son,
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and he's not visible in the recent,
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So I hit messages, I type the first few letters of his name
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and it auto completes to his name.
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And next to his name is his phone number.
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And I never want to send him messages to his phone number.
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I always want to send them to his Apple ID.
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And no matter how many times I go over to that line
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and click the little chevron and go pick the Apple ID
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and then send the message to his app.
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No matter how many times I override the default
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that it's sending to me, next time I do it,
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I type the first few letters of his name,
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shows his phone number.
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So people had some theories about how to fix that.
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So first, here's an Apple document
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that explains, tries to explain something
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that sounds like what it is, but it's not.
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So this document, which I'll put a link in the show notes,
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it says to change the default phone number
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or email address for a contact method,
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touch and hold the button for that method
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below the contact's name,
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and tap a selection in the list.
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This is in the contact card,
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like if you're in the contacts app
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or any place that shows the contacts card,
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you see the person and their name,
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and then you see these little icons,
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messages, call, FaceTime, mail, pay,
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with the little, you know, right?
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If you tap and hold on those,
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Like if you tap and hold on messages,
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you see all the ways you can message them.
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You can message them with your Apple ID,
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you can message them with their phone number, whatever.
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And they say, oh, pick one of those,
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and that will set the default.
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But all it actually does is set the default
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for the next time you're on this specific screen
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and you tap messages without holding them.
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- That doesn't help me.
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I'm not on this screen, right?
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I'm, you know, I hit share messages,
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then type the first few letters of their name
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and see that it is autocompleted
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to my son and his phone number.
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So that's frustrating.
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Jen Gobble had another theory.
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According to a friend at Apple, iMessage picks the way
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you contact people via each person's iMessage pref.
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If you have your phone number in this,
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and I have your phone number and email
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and my contact card for you,
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then iMessage will address it to the phone number.
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So this is the thing where if you go
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on the Mac version of messages,
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and you go to the preferences,
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it says start new conversations from, right?
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And you can pick where do you want
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to start new conversations from.
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But that does not, I mean, this may be true,
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but A, it doesn't make a lot of sense,
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and B, it doesn't really help me.
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So it doesn't make a lot of sense
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because what you're saying with that preference is,
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when I message other people,
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who do they see the message coming from?
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Like, you can pick, whenever I message somebody,
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I want it to be sent through my phone number
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so that what they will see is a message
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from my phone number.
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Or you can say, I wanna start new conversations
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from my Apple ID, and so when they see the message coming in
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they'll see it coming from my Apple ID.
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That's for me sending outgoing messages, right?
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That's who it appears to be coming from.
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But what I wanna control is how I send it to the person.
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And this theory is that the only way to get it to work
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is I'd have to go to my son's phone
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and change his preference to say,
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start new conversations from your Apple ID
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instead of from your phone number.
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And that seems weird to me that on my phone,
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when I hit share and I hit messages
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and I type my son's name,
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that the only way for me to tell my phone
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to pick his Apple ID is to go to his phone
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and tell him to change it to Apple ID when he sends to me.
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So I really hope that's not true.
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I suppose I'll try it and if it fixes the problem,
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then I will, 'cause my son probably doesn't care
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what he sends his conversations from.
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But this is all very confusing and it gets back
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to the larger issue, which is contacts.
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You can have many things in each category,
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many email addresses, many phone numbers,
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someone and so forth, and there is apparently no way
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in contacts to tell it.
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These are the, this is the priority order.
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These are old ones, these are new ones.
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It's just a completely unordered stew.
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Sometimes, I don't know if you've done this thing,
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but like, I delete all of them and re-add them
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in the order that I want them to be.
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Just crossing my fingers at the order that they display
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in the contact card has some meaning,
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but it probably doesn't, let's be honest.
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- So to back up way to the beginning,
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and perhaps I missed something, I'm sorry,
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but why is it such a travesty to send something
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to Alex's phone number?
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Because you can send something to my phone number
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or my Apple ID email address,
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and they both end up in the same spot as far as I'm concerned.
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Like they don't always end up in the same spot.
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So the reason you want to send to an Apple idea is a good question though.
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The reason why I sent,
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why I want to send you an Apple ID instead of a phone number is not everybody
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has their max set up to receive messages sent to their phone number.
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And even if you do have it set up to do that,
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I think your phone needs to be nearby for it to work. Is that correct? No, no,
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no, no. You're thinking of SMS,
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like the SMS relay thing that was introduced many, many years ago.
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So if you receive an SMS from an Android person or from your bank,
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it's like two factor that does need to be set up explicitly.
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And I always forget how to do it.
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I wrote actually a blog post about it way, way, way back when this was new. But,
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um, but that your phone does need to be nearby, I think.
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And that actually might've changed since the feature was new.
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But anyway, there's still a settings in them and Mac messages that says, Hey,
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where do you want to receive messages from on this Mac?
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And not everybody has their phone number checked off.
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So they might just have their Apple ID.
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You always have your Apple ID checked off
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because when you sign in with your Apple ID
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and create an account on your Mac,
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I think that there's no way to stop that.
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But you might not have your phone number checked.
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So I don't want to be in a situation
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where I send a message where he's on his Mac
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and he doesn't see it.
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It shows up on his phone,
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but his phone is over on the bed and he hasn't looked at it
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and he doesn't see it on his Mac.
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So if I send him the Apple ID,
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I know no matter where he is, it's going to show up.
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- I mean, I guess, but I can't think of anyone I know
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who has that situation.
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- I have very frequently found when I go to my preferences
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that it is not set.
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And I don't remember un-setting it,
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so it must be, I don't know if it's something to do
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with upgrading OS's or like who knows
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what makes that become un-set.
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Who can, but like, you know, I'm always on,
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you know, you don't have to do anything
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to be on your Apple ID.
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Your Apple ID is your Apple ID
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and it is everywhere that you were assigned
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to your Apple ID and that makes perfect sense.
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But your phone number is tied to your phone
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and your Mac is not a phone, at least not yet.
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- Yeah, I get that.
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I think this is one of those cases,
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and I should not be throwing stones on this,
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but it's one of those cases where I think you're fretting
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about something that's not really an issue.
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- No, it's happened, it's actually happened.
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That's why I'm obsessed with this,
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because it's like, I'm sending you a message,
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why aren't you responding?
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It's like, oh, I didn't see them, they're just on my phone.
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I'm like, but you're on your Mac, weren't you?
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It's like, yeah, but I didn't see them there.
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And then you find out why not, and you go,
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and it says, it's just not the, anyway.
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- If it's only happened with people that,
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at least for the next month or so, are living in your house,
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may I suggest an easier solution,
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which would be to march up to his MacBook Air
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and just fix it for him?
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- I know, I do that on my own, I do that on my own, Max.
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I'm gonna go look right now, everybody launch messages.
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- All right, well, all right, hold on.
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- And go to see in preferences where it says
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that you're set to receive messages from.
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All right, it is checked online,
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although one of my Apple IDs is not checked.
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Do you have three Apple IDs listed
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for each one of your Apple IDs?
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At Mac, at me, and at iCloud?
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- I have, at iCloud, I have at me,
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I have my third party email that is basically my Apple ID,
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and then I also have my phone number.
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So I have my phone number, iCloud, me, and my domain.
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- Yeah, I also have all of those things.
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- You don't have that Mac?
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- No, my Apple idea I think was created after .Mac
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'cause I joined during the MobileMe era.
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- Mm, that's interesting.
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- But yeah, but I mean, I have never had,
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in all of the Macs I've owned,
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and granted it's been quite a bit fewer than you,
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but in all the Macs I've owned,
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I've never, to my recollection,
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had that setting just magically uncheck itself.
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So far be it for me to argue with your experience,
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but this is not a problem that I have seen
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in my personal day-to-day.
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- And the other thing, now that I'm looking at this thing,
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is, oh, well, you don't have to worry about that,
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because even if they just get it on their phone,
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if you have iMessages in the cloud set,
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it'll show up on their Mac anyway.
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It's like, yeah, maybe, eventually.
00:32:10
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I have to say that iMessages in the cloud,
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it is, has not up to the standards of,
00:32:15
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let's say, iCloud Photo Library,
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in terms of reliably and quickly syncing changes.
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I mean, to the message's credit is the only application
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that I'm aware from Apple that has a sync now button,
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but I can also tell you from experience
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that when you click that sync now button,
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boy, you're in for a wait, and there's no progress bar.
00:32:35
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- All right, and then finally for follow up,
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tell me about IPsec and whether or not
00:32:40
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it's required for IPv6, please.
00:32:42
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- This is from Brian Peterson who pointed to
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some information, but I just pulled from Wikipedia
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because it says it succinctly,
00:32:47
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IPsec was a mandatory part
00:32:49
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of all IPv6 protocol implementations,
00:32:51
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and the Internet key exchange was recommended.
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But with RFC 6434,
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the inclusion of IPsec and IPv6 implementations
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was downgraded to a recommendation
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because it was considered impractical
00:33:01
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to require full IPsec implementation
00:33:02
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for all types of devices that may use IPv6.
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And Squoze it on Twitter,
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you know, says it in a slightly different way.
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IPsec is quote-unquote mandatory in IPv6
00:33:12
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in the sense that everything running IPv6
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must be capable of supporting it,
00:33:15
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but that doesn't mean all IPv6 traffic
00:33:17
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automatically uses IPsec.
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It must still be explicitly configured between two hosts.
00:33:21
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So it seems like this is a thing they wanted to do
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and they had it in the original RSC,
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but then backed off because probably people complained,
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like, oh, even for my whatever, you know,
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smart home toaster I gotta use IPsec,
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we're using TLS for everything.
00:33:32
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Why do you need to use IPsec?
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Seems overkill.
00:33:34
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So now it is not mandatory everywhere,
00:33:36
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as of like what now?
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As of like 2011 or something, it's not mandatory.
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It is just you have to support it,
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but it doesn't mean that you have to use it
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for all of your communications.
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And everyone cited TLS, basically, HTTPS,
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that you see on your URLs, as the predominant way
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that information is encrypted in transit.
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And having IPVStack on top of that
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just probably seems like overkill
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and requires too much of the people implementing
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their smart toasters, I suppose.
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- So apparently, if you have a Touch Bar Mac,
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which in and of itself, I'm sorry,
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If you put an AirPlay button on your touch bar,
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you can expect that your networking
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will just kind of pause periodically, always.
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What is going on here?
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- This is a good article of someone debugging a problem
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they were having and tracking it down
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to this thing that's in the touch bar
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that periodically checks for stuff on the network.
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I'm not a network expert.
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My question with all these things is like,
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all right, so this kills this person's network.
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Will it kill everybody's network?
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when I say kill, I mean make everything slower
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than it would otherwise be.
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'Cause it seems like what it's doing,
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yeah, it's being wasteful
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and it's constantly checking for a thing.
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It's like the AirPlay button,
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and it's like looking for things that it can AirPlay to.
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Any kind of thing where you have polling,
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where something is saying,
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what's around here that I can AirPlay to?
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What's around here that I can AirPlay to?
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What's around here that I can AirPlay to?
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That's polling, right?
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That's not good, it's inefficient,
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and it's inefficient for the thing
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that is asking the question constantly,
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and it's inefficient for your network,
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'cause there's constantly a pulse going out,
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messages going out saying,
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hey, who's out there, who's out there
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that I can AirPlay to, right?
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But it doesn't seem like that should make
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your network performance so incredibly awful
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that you notice it.
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So maybe there's something else bad with the network,
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but I just thought this was an interesting story
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just because the touch bar, everybody's favorite thing,
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is still out there causing problems for people
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who probably just wanna use it as a row of function keys.
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And I just wanted to bring this to people's attention
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because it's the type of problem
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that most people would never figure out.
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Like it takes a fairly heroic level.
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You can look at the article here.
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It takes a fairly heroic level of debugging
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to track it down to something in your touch bar
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because that's not what you're thinking
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when you're like, why is my network slow?
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And you're checking everything you can think of.
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You're not looking at what buttons
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are in my touch bar right now.
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But the solution is just to not have that AirPlay thing
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in your touch bar and then it solves this problem.
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But I thought this was funny and also,
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hey, if you have a touch bar
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and you're having network difficulties,
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or put it this way, if you have a touch bar
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and you never use that AirPlay button,
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remove it just in case.
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- It's a good thing they're not making any more, oh wait.
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- Well, don't worry, they're constantly updating Touch Bar
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and improving it, so.
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- All right, Apple in the last couple of weeks
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apparently patented a dual Pro stand
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for Studio Display and Pro Display XDR users.
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And in a way, this is like kind of exactly for me,
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because if you recall, I had my semi beloved LG 5K
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that I hate yet love.
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I love hate.
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Anyway, I had that, then I got the studio display
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and I currently have the studio display
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sitting directly in front of me.
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And then off to my right with the screen angled
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at about a 45 degree angle, I have the LG 5K.
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And it is sitting on a single stand
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that is just sitting on top of the desk
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because I still have my glass desk,
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which eventually I will replace.
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But one way or another, I didn't really trust
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a clamp onto glass without,
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I just didn't think that was a good idea.
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So I have this kind of meh freestanding stand,
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which I will put a link in the show notes
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if you're interested.
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Again, it is meh.
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It is very much the LG 5K of stands,
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but one way or another--
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- It's ultra fine.
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- It is extremely, extremely fine.
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But anyway, but this Pro Stand,
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excuse me, dual Pro Stand that Apple seems to have patented
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looks like a kind of similar thing, but with mine there's a single stand and a post that comes up,
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and then off of that single post are two arms that hold up the screens. This is kind of the opposite,
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actually. It's two posts, one at each end, and then a connecting rod, if you will, between them.
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But what's very interesting is because if you look at the MacRumors post, well I'm saying post a lot
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all of a sudden, but anyway if you look at the MacRumors article, there's this, you know, straight
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crossbar between the two vertical posts, the two supports. And I thought to myself, "Well,
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that doesn't do what I want it to do because I want it kind of at an angle. I want the
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one screen directly in front of me and then perpendicular to my face, and then I want
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the other one at a 45-degree angle." And as you scroll down, hey, sure enough, right in
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the middle of the horizontal support, you can bend it. So if I were to get myself a
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second studio display, which I totally if not considered, no, of course not, why would
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would I do such a silly thing,
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I could pair it potentially with this very fancy schmancy
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pro stand, dual pro stand, which looks very cool
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and I'm sure is super cheap.
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- With the disclaimers that patents don't often
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result in products, I think this,
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there is no way in heck that KC would ever get this
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because the stand itself would probably cost $2,500.
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- You're so right, you are so right.
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- It's like only 2,000 'cause it's like two regular
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thousand dollar stands.
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- Oh my gosh.
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- So this looks a lot like patents that come out
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after they've already decided not to make it.
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So it's like several years ago,
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they're making the Pro Display XDR
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and they have a bunch of ideas for stands.
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And this is one of the ideas.
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And they just said, actually,
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we're not gonna make this one,
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we're just gonna make a regular stand,
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we'll charge $1,000 for it, here's the XDR.
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And that's what they decided to do.
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But then eventually it's like,
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but we did think about and design this double stand,
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so eventually the patent goes out.
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We should still patent it,
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'cause that's what companies do,
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'cause patents are dumb and they have to patent everything.
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So they patent it and it comes out,
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but it's like, by the time you're seeing the patent,
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it's a product they long ago decided not to make,
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which I think was a wise decision
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because to Marco's point, this would cost so much money,
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as evidenced by the single stand that costs $1,000.
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Can't imagine what this even fancier double stand would cost.
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And it's kind of like the situation with my TV
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where Casey's ugly central stand thing,
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you can have your two monitors extending out pretty wide
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and you've just got one stand in the middle.
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These things, it's like soccer goalposts.
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Your desk needs to be as wide as your two displays
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so that the feet, because the feet are all the way
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at the edges, the feet aren't in the middle
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of the two monitors, the feet are at the far edges
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of the monitor, the left monitor of the foot
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is at the left edge of that monitor,
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the right monitor of the foot is at the right edge
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of that monitor, so you need to have a desk that wide,
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and then you need those feet, those feet are like,
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'cause if you do do it on an angle,
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those feet are kind of toed in,
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just look at your desk and think of where those feet
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would be and think of what, maybe you have speakers there,
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or maybe you have, like, they're taking up desk space.
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The good thing about a central stand
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with just the one thing is,
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yeah, you've got a foot in front of you,
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but it's right in front of you
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and you can put stuff on top of it
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and you can still have stuff flanking it.
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This is not, I don't think this is a good design
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for a stand and if you read the patent filings,
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the things they talk about,
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like what are the features of this,
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why is this patentable or, you know,
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what's good about this?
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And they say some things that I guess appeal
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to people's sense of precision,
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like well you can just have two stands
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or something like Casey's,
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but it's hard to get the monitors
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exactly even with each other.
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And if you adjust one,
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and you have to adjust the other one
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to be exactly the same.
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I think the idea with this is they move as a unit, right?
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So that you don't have to,
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like if you wanted them to be higher or lower,
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if you raise and lower,
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they both go up and down exactly the same amount.
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They're both always perfectly aligned,
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and they're never crooked,
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and don't meet it the right way or whatever.
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Is that a big deal?
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If you have a traditional stand,
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you can probably just move them so they're both the way you want them and then you probably
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never touch them again and it's fine.
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But again, this is a product they didn't make and I hope they never make because it seems
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like it's not a great idea but boy I like to think that, I mean I'm going to say they're
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The time spent making this stand, I wish they had spent it getting the Apple Studio display
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out sooner or trying to source better cameras for it.
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It's always easy to look at the things.
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They try lots of different things, but this looks pretty detailed for a product that didn't
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And it's like, oh, that was kind of like a dead end where you wasted some time looking
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into something and decided to bail on it.
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I'm glad they bailed on it, but I'm kind of sad that they even spent as much time as it
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was required to make this patent.
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You know, you were saying a minute ago, where would the two uprights go?
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It is worth noting that the way I have my particular setup, the stand, the support for
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for my two monitors is basically in the back right corner
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of the desk.
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So the LG 5K, it crosses the edge of my desk
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about halfway down the LG 5K.
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So the right half of the LG 5K is effectively floating
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over nothing.
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So in this case, it didn't even occur to me
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until you said something.
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But in this case, I would be putting the right hand stand
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on thin air, which would probably not work too well.
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So this is perhaps not for me,
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even leaving aside the fact, as Marko so astutely pointed out,
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that this will be a trillion dollars.
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- Yeah, well, it would be if they made it.
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I don't think they would. - Yeah, exactly.
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- It's just like my stupid TV stand.
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I don't have enough room for a wide piece of furniture
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for my television to go on,
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so the right and left edges of my television,
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they're floating over the ground, right?
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And they have a central stand.
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Any stand that has feet at the extremities
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just assumes everybody has a very, very wide pieces
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of furniture, which a lot of people do, but not everybody,
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especially if you're in New England
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and you have no place to put your TV,
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except for on an angle in a corner.
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And it's very difficult to find pieces of furniture
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that are very wide and also fit in a corner.
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- So we have had this thing in the show notes forever.
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And I feel like now is as good a time as any
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since we are recording from the future
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to talk about what went on,
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what is this, September of last year.
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The EU proposed, and I think they since accepted
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or ratified or whatever, mandatory USB-C on all devices,
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including iPhones.
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So I think it was John put some very useful excerpts,
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which I will now read to you from the Verge article,
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which we put in the show notes.
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The rules are intended to cut down on electronic waste
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by allowing people to reuse existing chargers and cables
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when they buy new electronics.
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In addition to phones,
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the rules will apply to other devices like tablets,
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headphones, portable speakers, video game consoles,
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and cameras.
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Manufacturers will also be forced
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to make their fast charging standards interoperable
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and to provide information to customers
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what charging standards their device supports. The proposals only cover devices using wired,
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not wireless, chargers, EU Commissioner Terry Bretton said in a press conference, adding that
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"there's plenty of room for innovation on wireless." A spokesperson for the commission
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subsequently confirmed to The Verge that a USB-C port is only mandatory for devices that charge
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using a cable. But if a device charges exclusively via wireless, like Apple's rumored portless iPhone,
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there would be no requirement for a USB-C charging port.
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If adopted, manufacturers will eventually have 24 months
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to comply with the new rules.
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So what do we think?
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-So this first point, cut down electronic waste
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by allowing people to reuse existing chargers.
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So we'll talk a little bit about the wisdom
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of a single charging standard in a second,
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but in the short term, requiring everybody
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who has a million lightning cables
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to throw them in the garbage and get USB-C cables
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does not cut down on electronic waste.
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And I'm gonna say there's a lot of lightning cables
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out there in the world at this point, right?
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Not a small number of them.
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So, citing specifically that this new proposal
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will cut down on electronic waste does not ring true to me.
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Now, I'm sure people do have USB-C chargers,
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but I don't think people buy enough USB-C chargers
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for all the devices and then only use half of them
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because the other half use lightning.
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No, you buy as many chargers as you need.
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You buy the lightning cables and chargers
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for your lightning devices and you buy the USB-C cables and chargers for your USB-C devices
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and you don't have a million extras of both. So if this standard came out and you know
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if Apple goes USB-C on their phones, the short-term effect is a lot of lightning cables in the
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landfill or recycling or whatever we do with them. So that seems a little bit silly.
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Well but I mean long-term though like I see what they're doing long-term. Now that being
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so this is one of those things like you know the arguments that we've heard so far from
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in the tech community I think hold water,
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which is first of all from a convenience point of view,
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this would be incredible to be in a world of all USBC.
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You know, if you look at how we might get there
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might be messy, but to be in this world of all USBC today
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would be great.
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That being said, you know, there's also a significant
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downside to the idea of a government forcing tech companies
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to use and keep indefinitely into the future
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this particular type of connector.
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Now, the USB connector type does not change
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as frequently as most things in our tech world do.
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I mean, my first computer with a USB-A port,
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I'm pretty sure was 1999.
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That was 23 years ago,
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and USB-A is just now getting around
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to slowly, painfully being replaced.
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And so if we say we're gonna stick with this connector,
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on one hand you can say, it's probably not a good thing
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for governments to mandate things like this
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to tech companies, because what if we wanna change it
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in the future, it's gonna be a slow and painful process.
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On the other hand, you can say, well,
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this actually doesn't change that frequently.
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And maybe that wouldn't be that bad,
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because the actual lifespan of something like this,
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especially in the context of mobile charging and stuff,
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where you're almost certainly only or primarily using it
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for supplying power and not for rapid data transfer
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in most cases for this kind of device.
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So you don't have to worry that much about like,
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oh, what if it won't support Thunderbolt 17?
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Chances are for this type of use,
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it's not gonna matter for a very long time.
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So I think this would be a great world to get to.
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I still am hesitant to say that requiring it
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by government action is the way to get there.
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Because again, like, there is some conservatism
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about letting government control something like tech
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that tends to move quickly is probably warranted.
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- And if you look at past, you know,
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government or quasi-government mandating technologies,
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we tend to get stuck with them for a long time.
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Power plugs that are in our walls, telephone cables,
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even things like ethernet, which are vaguely related to telephone things.
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Part of that is you build up a lot of infrastructure and it takes a lot of money to tear it all
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down and everything.
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Part of it is that once it's a government type of thing, everyone just gets on board
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with it and it assumes like the safe bet or whatever.
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But in the world, in the faster pace, let's say, the moving world of internet-related
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technologies like the telecom era back in the '67, '80s, the internet age, things move
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faster now and there is more development, like as people in the chat room are talking
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about, micro USB, the terrible connector that we all hate, the one that is asymmetrical
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but it's so small it's hard to tap.
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>> Well, it's the worst.
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>> And you know, if they had standardized on that, maybe we wouldn't have USB-C, right?
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Or if it had standardized on something before lightning came out, we never would have had
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lightning and lightning was a big leap over what came before it, right?
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So the idea that the government should do something because left to their own devices,
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Apparently Apple is refusing to budge on this, right?
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So everyone else is going to USB-C,
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but Apple's out there and they sell a lot of phones.
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It makes sense that, you know,
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there's apparently not enough motivation
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for these companies to get together on their own.
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But I think the mistake is not in governments
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requiring something, but in governments requiring something
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and specifically saying what it is.
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If, for instance, they had instead said,
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"There has to be a common charging standard.
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Decide amongst yourself what it would be."
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everyone would pick USB-C, but the good thing about that
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is that years in the future,
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when there's some newer standard,
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like an Apple wants to use Thunderbolt 19
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on their new hollow iPads or whatever,
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but we can't do it because everyone has to use USB-C
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and we don't know how to put two ports,
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eventually everybody in the industry
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will be in a similar situation with like,
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oh, there's a new standard and it's better,
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or I have a new thing in mind and it's better,
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but we're all stuck on the stupid USB-C
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because we all agreed back in 2022
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that we had the one standard requirement
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and we all agreed it would be USB-C,
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'cause duh, of course it would be, right?
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At that point in the future,
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there would be enough companies that wanna move on
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to their own particular innovation
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to come back together again and say,
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okay everybody, let's get together again,
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let's all agree on a new standard,
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because we all agree that USB-C is holding back
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all of our products, because now in the future
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we all have different, and then they'd have to agree
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on like, well what is the new standard,
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let's fight over that or whatever,
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but they would be motivated to do that,
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because everybody would want to have
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newer, better devices, right?
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If we had standardized on 30-pin, eventually everyone would be like, "Well, 30-pin has
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served us well, but we all have something better in mind, and let's talk about what
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that would be."
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Because with all us being stuck on 30-pin, it sucks because we have to add a second port
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off to the side and it's awkward or whatever, so you've got to use a 30-pin for…
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There is motivation for companies to get together on standards.
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Just look at the matter standard, which may come to nothing, but still, those companies
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spent years killing each other in the market trying to see who's going to become dominant,
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And eventually, nobody became dominant enough to just like dictate the world, and they all
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came together and said, "All right, now this is hurting us more than it's helping us.
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We all have our own standards or whatever, but people are, every one of us has people,
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customers who won't buy our products because their house is already set up for Hue, or
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it's already set up for Google Home, or it's already set up for HomeKit or whatever, and
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they won't buy our products because they have a different, so we need to decide on a standard
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because that will help all of us."
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That is the market working correctly.
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When everyone agrees that we have to get together on this, or just look at any other standard,
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Blu-ray versus, what was the competing thing on Blu-ray?
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HD DVD versus Divix.
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Beta, VHS, or whatever.
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Whatever the standard you ended up picking, the industry does have motivation to consolidate
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on a standard.
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But historically speaking, the government is very bad at dictating the specific technology
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that standards should be.
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When they do do so, it kind of gives people the excuse to say, "Well, we're just stuck
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with it and we have to use this forever."
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I'm not saying this is not what they're doing.
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I don't know the details of the EU proposal.
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Maybe the EU proposal has a time limit.
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Maybe the EU proposal has a way where they can get back together and deal with this.
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Even if it doesn't, the EU itself, in 15 years, can get back together and say, "Okay, we all
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agree now that the USBC thing of time has come and we should redo it."
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But why leave that to chance?
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Why not bake it into the thing?
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One standard policy for some something as big as the EU to say all phone manufacturers have to agree on a standard
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decide amongst yourself
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Would have the same results and would be a better policy
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Now that's that's just like pie in the sky how I think this could be different or better and hopefully it will work out
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Right, practically speaking. I'm not sure what this means. Does this mean that in two years?
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starting from whatever date Apple has to switch their iPhones to USB-C or make them wireless?
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It seems like it does. Was Apple going to do that anyway? Maybe. I don't know. There's the
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Ultra Wideband wildcard that we talked about for a lot of this stuff. There's the wireless MagSafe
00:54:45
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puck charging thing that's going to send data as well as power through everything. And then
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there's just they'll go to USB-C and it will be fine, right? You know, and this proposal, like,
00:54:58
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It's like the EU mandating a standard or whatever,
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but really this is just an Apple ruling, right?
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'Cause everybody is already doing USB-C.
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No one else is out there with their own proprietary
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connection, it's just Apple, but Apple's so big
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that they have to make this law
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because Apple wasn't doing it on their own.
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So in many ways this is another case where Apple
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could have made a change on their own to avoid this.
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If Apple had just gone to USB-C like last year,
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they could have maybe prevented this.
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Because then there would be a situation
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where everybody is on USB-C, the EU is happy,
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This thing doesn't pass because when they were trying
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to get votes on it, everyone would say,
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"Why are we voting on this?
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"Everybody already uses USBC.
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"What's the point of this law?"
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And that would free them later to go to Thunderbolt 19
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without having to wait for the EU to do something.
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- Yeah, I agree with you that I think the thing
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I find most offensive about this is that
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it's the government deciding specifically USBC
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is the way forward because like you said,
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it's so obviously the way forward today,
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but we don't know when that's gonna change.
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We don't know what the situation is.
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And it's funny because I'm not that offended
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that the iPhone isn't USB-C.
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Like I absolutely would prefer it to be without question,
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but I'm not that bothered by it.
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And I think that's in part because I've decided
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to embrace either USB-C
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or just wireless charging for everything.
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And I still have a trillion lightning cables
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just strewn throughout the house, just like you said, Jon.
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but I'm going on a trip somewhat soon
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and I use that as an excuse to spend money.
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- Hey. (laughs)
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- I've known you too long.
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- I was just looking at chargers today
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'cause I keep that my family seems to eat
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USB-C charging equipment and so I'm out
00:56:44
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of multi-port chargers and relevant to the story.
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My wife is away this weekend and she requested chargers
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for her trip, 'cause of course I'm in charge of wires,
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she's in charge of soft things.
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I look at my wire cabinet,
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all my multi-port chargers are gone,
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so I had to give her separate bricks
00:57:04
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with just one output each,
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and she wanted to take with her,
00:57:08
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this is not unreasonable,
00:57:09
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an iPhone, an Apple Watch, and an iPad.
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I had to give her three chargers.
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- That's not a good look.
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You don't want that.
00:57:21
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And so this is something that I was running into.
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So many, many moons ago, I wrote a couple of different blog posts, both talking about
00:57:28
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the same thing, which was, "What is what I like to call my Go Pack?"
00:57:31
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And I've preached the gospel on here many, many times before, but the short, short version
00:57:35
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is I like to have a pack, like a small bag, full of all the cables and doodads and whatnots
00:57:41
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and wizards that I need in order to charge all my stuff when I travel.
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And that Go Pack, that pack of cables and whatnot, that is never touched and never pilfered
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through when I am not traveling. I never just, "Oh, I'll just grab this from..." Nope, nope. It has to be
00:57:58
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a completely untouchable thing when you're at home. And so in that Go Pack, I used to have a
00:58:05
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five USB-A plug. You know, so you plug into the wall once because five USB-A coming out the other
00:58:10
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end because I need, you know, two phones, two watches, and potentially one other thing. But I feel like
00:58:17
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that's just so many cables especially since I typically bring a couple of USB extensions so that
00:58:22
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Erin doesn't have to like hand me her phone before she goes to sleep I can get the the you know cable
00:58:27
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all the way over to her side of the bed or whatever and it was just too much it was just too much and
00:58:31
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so I did the most Marco thing possible what do you think I did Marco bought a bunch of new stuff
00:58:37
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bought new stuff to fix my problems so I spent and in just absolutely preposterous amounts of money
00:58:44
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And I bought two Mophie three-in-one travel chargers with MagSafe, which was recommended to me many moons ago in the relay slack
00:58:50
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this is a MagSafe puck in the center a
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An iPhone puck on the right and then just a Qi charger really really really intended for
00:59:00
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Air air pods on the left and it folds up and it has a nice little like canvas II bag thing
00:59:06
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Each of these and you need to if you're part of a pair
00:59:10
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each of these is
00:59:13
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$50 and is only available at Apple. That is the only place you can buy them is from Apple. So I spent
00:59:20
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300 friggin dollars to get chargers that just replace a bunch of cables that already worked just fine
00:59:28
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I did it because I've spent way too much time being Marco's friend and
00:59:32
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because it's going to make my life so much nicer that all I have to do is
00:59:36
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Plug each of these in and guess how they plug in gentlemen?
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USB-C baby they I plug these in either to the USB C charger that they come with or I could
00:59:46
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repurpose my two-port USB C charger that I'll use for my laptop and I could you know bring it to the bedroom at night and
00:59:51
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and I will plug these into some USB C power adapter and
00:59:57
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Then I will get Aaron's watch
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And Aaron's phone my watch and my phone and my air pods if I so choose all
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charging using just one cable per person as opposed to
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You know two USB a extension cables a lightning cable or two lightning cables to watch cables
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It's just this is gonna be so much better and I'm so excited about it
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but I all of this is relevant because I
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Want to get away from lightning like I don't have a problem with lightning except that it's it's its own bespoke thing
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I don't want lightning in my life anymore
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except when I'm doing development
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which is something that we've only glanced off
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of the outer atmosphere of, but for charging purposes,
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just give me Qi charging or MagSafe charging,
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give it to me everywhere.
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I don't want it, I don't want to charge via lightning
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unless I absolutely have to.
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And I think that moving away from wired charging,
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for me anyway, I'm all in, baby.
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Like, let's just go all wireless all the time.
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Where this gets really, really squishy
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is what happens when I'm sitting at my desk,
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use an Xcode because if the watch tells us anything,
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oh boy, I do not want wireless debugging for my phone.
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No, thank you.
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And I know you can do it now.
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I have done it from time to time,
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particularly when I was using my adorable.
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No, thank you.
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Like I do not want any part of that.
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- Everything about it is worse.
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- Yeah, I do not want any part of that.
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No, thank you at all.
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So like if Apple comes out with some,
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we've talked about this in the past.
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If Apple comes out with some new phone
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that's completely sealed and charges only wirelessly.
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All of the consumer side of me is ready, baby.
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But the developer side of me is going to be devastated
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unless they have some sort of solution
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that actually freaking works for doing debugging
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and development against a wired
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or some new replacement for wire device.
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- Yeah, and I'm not holding my breath on that.
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- One thing I'll miss about Lightning is the,
01:01:56
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Well, I have one of the things we use for charging the house
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is kind of like, I don't know what you call it,
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like a dish rack, bookshelf type thing.
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You know those things that like you put your devices
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in sideways?
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- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Right, and you can put iPads in there.
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It's got like a bunch of little slats
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and I'm trying to think of what analogous thing.
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It's like a comb, right?
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Or like where you put your dishes in the dishwasher, right?
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Anyway, but the point is that the devices are sideways
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and it's nice because no matter what size
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of device you have, it fits.
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It's big, small, short, tall, doesn't matter.
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And so it connects to the power and everything
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and it has a whole bunch of ports
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along with one side of it.
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And I got these very stubby little
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like rubberized connectors.
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On one end there's USB A, this is a really old thing
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and that plugs into the base.
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And the other end is lightning connectors, right?
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And they're long enough to reach an iPad, right?
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But they're not, they're like four inches long.
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Like they're just long enough to curl around.
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And when they're not plugged in,
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they're just kind of like waving there
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like little tentacles, right?
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It's cute, right?
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And it's great.
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The whole family puts their devices there, they charge.
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You know, it's a great place in the house
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to be able to charge anything you want.
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And they're all lightning, right?
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And the lightning connector is curved on the sides,
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so when you plug something in sideways,
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you don't have to get the wire exactly perpendicular
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to the port before you put it in.
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You can just kind of like angle it in and it goes in.
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So I'll kind of miss that.
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I'm not saying that's the reason
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lightning should stay around or anything.
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It's just one thing that I think I'll miss
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is the easy ability to plug things in at a slight angle
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because USB-C really wants you to line it up
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a little bit better than that.
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But I'm sure it'll be fine.
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And speaking of tech details,
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Here is an older Q&A article about what I was talking about before of like, oh, you're
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dictating USB-C, but what about when something better comes along?
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This is from the focus, this is when they were proposing it.
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So here's a suggestion that this proposal encourages innovation for wired and wireless
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Well, I'm sure it encourages innovation for wireless because then you'd be exempt and
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you can come up with a good wireless thing if you're worried about this.
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But anyway, the thing they say that will help is, "Any technological developments in wired
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charging will be reflected in the timely adjustment of the technical requirements/specific standards
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under the Radio Equipment Directive.
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This would ensure that technology is not outdated.
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At the same time, the implementation
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of any new standards and further revisions
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of the Radio Equipment Directive would
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need to be developed in a harmonized manner,
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respecting the objective's full interoperability.
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Industry is therefore expected to continue
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the work already undertaken on standardized interface led
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by the USB IF organization-- those are the people who
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make the USB standards-- in the view of developing
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new interoperable and open noncontroversial solutions.
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So they're basically saying, don't worry, we can adjust it.
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Like, as new things come out, we'll just revise things.
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Well, that's exactly what I was talking about.
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You don't wanna have to wait for the EU to revise things.
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And this whole proposal, led by the USB IF,
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gives so much power to the USB group.
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The USB group didn't come up with Lightning.
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Innovation doesn't mean just better versions of USB-C.
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Innovation means things like Lightning
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that are not coming from the same people
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who made the old standard, but it's like,
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oh, we have an idea for a new plug for our devices,
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and it has nothing to do with USB, really.
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It's our own thing, it's a lightning connector,
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look at it, it's pretty weird, but we like it, right?
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That's an example of innovation.
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The USBIF slowly and steadily coming up
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with better versions of USB and then renaming them all
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so we have no idea what's what,
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that is not an example of innovation.
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And waiting for the EU to revise the technical requirements
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of this law is also not an example
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of the kind of innovation we want.
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So again, I reiterate that,
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I think it would have been better to use the government
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to force one standard, but not to be in such strict control
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over what that standard is.
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Because I believe in the self-interest
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of big tech companies be enough to get
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them to standardize on something reasonable at intervals.
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There's always chaos, and then we consolidate.
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They go on a standard, you use it for a while,
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and then there's another round of innovation.
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Eventually, that second round of innovation
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becomes unbearable for everyone involved,
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and they eventually do get together,
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if the government was asking them to get together and decide
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on a standard.
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The government doesn't ask them to get together.
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They kill each other until someone comes up with a standard.
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Or they do the matter thing,
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which is everybody's stuff sucks so bad
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that they all decide we do need to come together
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on the standard.
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Remains to be seen if matter sucks any worse
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than the existing stuff,
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but at least it's a push in the right direction.
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I think there's a similar,
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we don't have anything in the notes about this,
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but maybe we'll talk about it on a future show.
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There's another thing about the similar type
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of standardization situation where one group
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that comes up with the standards is given a lot of power
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because they are the blessed group and that is,
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I don't know what the group is or whatever,
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but the people who come up with like HEVC and H.264
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and H.265, whatever that group is,
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and all the people who own the patents in it
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and all that stuff, like those sort of standardized formats
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for video, for compressed video over the internet,
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all that stuff, it's great that there's standards there.
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It's really important that there's no standards there.
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It powers our whole modern age
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of streaming video everywhere,
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but they are patent encumbered in many cases
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and certain people are in control of it
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and certain people make money.
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And so now there is a competing standard,
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I think it's called AV1,
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that's either less patent-encumbered or not patent-encumbered
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and more like free and open or whatever.
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And the people who are in control of the previous standards
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do not like that.
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Because they're like,
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"Hey, you're taking away our money and power.
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"We just want there to be one standard,
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"but we also like the idea that we have lots of money
01:07:06
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"and power related to that one standard."
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And a new open standard violates that.
01:07:09
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And it just goes to show that the motivations of,
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like once you give a group like the USBIF
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this kind of power to say,
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"Oh, you are the new standard,
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and by the way, you're in charge of future innovation,
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that goes bad really quickly.
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So I would prefer the more chaotic approach
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of demanding there be a standard,
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but allowing that standard to arise semi-organically
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at regular intervals every decade or two.
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- You know, I was thinking more about my whole travel setup
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because it's so relevant to me coming up soon,
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and of the things that I could potentially travel with,
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my drone, my Nintendo Switch, my Playdate,
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my laptop, my iPad, all of those things charge via USB-C.
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The only things that don't that I'm likely to,
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oh, the GoPro, I didn't even think about that,
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the GoPro would.
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The only thing I can think of,
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the only things I can think of that wouldn't
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are my iPhone potentially.
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Now, again, I've resolved this
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by throwing money at the problem.
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My watch, same story, and my Kindle,
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which is not particularly new,
01:08:08
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I don't know what the new ones are using,
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and it uses that god awful micro USB connector.
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- The good thing is the Kindle charge lasts forever,
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so you can probably just charge it before you leave.
01:08:16
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- Yeah, you don't need to bring Kindle chargers on trips.
01:08:18
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- Yeah, I charged it yesterday
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and it'll last me until the end of the month.
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So basically the only stuff that doesn't charge via USB-C
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are my phone and my watch.
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Basically everything else I can charge via USB-C
01:08:31
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and I don't need to bring a bespoke charger
01:08:33
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for any of this stuff.
01:08:34
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Like I could just plug the switch into my computer
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if I really wanted to and charge it that way.
01:08:39
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Same with like the drone batteries.
01:08:41
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You know, I could show the battery pack
01:08:43
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that charges three batteries at once.
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That's USB-C.
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And so all of this stuff,
01:08:47
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I can just charge by using my computer as a hub.
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And since I have a MacBook Pro,
01:08:51
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I have ports for days kind of, sort of.
01:08:54
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But I have at least a few options for ports.
01:08:56
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So yeah, it's that inconsistency
01:09:00
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in that the phone and to some degree the watch
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are like the lone devices standing off saying,
01:09:05
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"No, I need my own special cable."
01:09:08
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Like it's just, "No, just come on.
01:09:09
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"Can we just either go all wireless
01:09:11
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"or just jump on board with USB-C?"
01:09:14
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I know it's not as good in a handful of ways,
01:09:16
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but can we just do it anyway, please?
01:09:18
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- The watch is the next downside here,
01:09:21
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like another place where Apple's gonna spoil it
01:09:23
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for everybody, right?
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'Cause the watch, it makes sense,
01:09:25
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like you don't plug anything into it 'cause it's so tiny,
01:09:26
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you probably wouldn't wanna plug in the cable,
01:09:28
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like that makes perfect sense.
01:09:29
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But Apple, what Apple chose to do for their quote unquote
01:09:32
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wireless charging for the watch
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is not what anybody else is doing.
01:09:37
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It's a watch charger, right?
01:09:38
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And I think you can put watches on Qi chargers
01:09:41
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and maybe you can get them to charge?
01:09:43
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- No. - I don't think so.
01:09:44
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- People have occasionally gotten them to work that way,
01:09:47
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but it's not reliable.
01:09:48
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I've tried so many times.
01:09:49
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- And so we're rapidly approaching another situation
01:09:53
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with the watches where there's a wireless standard
01:09:55
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for charging.
01:09:56
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I mean, Qi is pretty widespread at this point,
01:09:58
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but there's a wireless standard for starting.
01:09:59
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You know, if you use all wireless stuff,
01:10:01
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you just have to get Qi chargers and you'll be fine,
01:10:03
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and Qi 2 came out and Qi 3 is even better,
01:10:04
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and so on and so forth, and everyone's on the same page.
01:10:06
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And so when you travel, you just need to bring one charger.
01:10:08
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It's a Qi wireless charger,
01:10:10
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and also your Apple Watch charger.
01:10:12
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- Right, yeah.
01:10:13
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- It's a big pain in the butt.
01:10:13
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- Yep, yep, yep.
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- But ultimately this is something that like,
01:10:18
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the move to USBC I think is,
01:10:21
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it'll be a great thing if it happens.
01:10:23
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And I think if you look at like,
01:10:26
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if you kind of read the tea leaves a little bit,
01:10:28
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you know Apple is no fan of having governments
01:10:32
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tell them what to do.
01:10:33
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And I think they will take many opportunities
01:10:37
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to just say no and to fight them
01:10:40
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and to pay fines or whatever it is.
01:10:43
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However, if you read the tea leaves,
01:10:45
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I think they're actually about to do a big USB-C move.
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If you, the latest rumors were that the base model iPad,
01:10:55
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when it gets its next update, is gonna go USB-C.
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It is, that'll make it the last iPad,
01:11:00
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it's the last iPad on Lightning.
01:11:01
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So the entire iPad lineup is almost all USB-C.
01:11:05
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By the way, that change happened over the last few years
01:11:08
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and the world didn't end.
01:11:09
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Like they used to all be Lightning,
01:11:11
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now they're almost all and about to be probably all USB-C
01:11:15
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and everybody was all right.
01:11:18
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So that's, it's a good data point.
01:11:21
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Obviously not as big as the iPhone
01:11:22
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and people tend to not have as many iPad chargers
01:11:25
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as they have iPhone chargers.
01:11:26
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So it's a different situation
01:11:28
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but it's at least a data point.
01:11:30
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So that, iPad is almost all USB-C.
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MacBook, all USB-C.
01:11:35
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Like the whole Mac, everything, all USB-C.
01:11:38
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there have been rumors for quite some time
01:11:41
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that the iPhone 14 coming out in a couple of months
01:11:44
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is not gonna be USB-C,
01:11:46
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but that it might be the last lightning iPhone,
01:11:47
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that the one after the 14 is,
01:11:50
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depending on which rumor you read,
01:11:52
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either USB-C or no ports at all.
01:11:55
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- I really hope it's USB-C, but yeah,
01:11:56
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the one after the 14 is also supposed
01:11:58
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to have the periscope cameras,
01:11:59
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the one after the 14 is the one we all want.
01:12:01
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- Right, it sounds like that's probably gonna be
01:12:03
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the next case design revision,
01:12:05
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which would be the time to switch to USB-C.
01:12:07
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And this is something that they've seen
01:12:08
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that they've been planning for some time,
01:12:10
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as iPhones tend to be.
01:12:12
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So I think what we'll really be telling
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is watching what other hardware gets released from Apple
01:12:20
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that currently has a Lightning port
01:12:22
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that maybe gains a USB-C port instead.
01:12:24
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So things to look out for would be things like
01:12:26
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the next AirPods case, peripherals, mice, keyboards,
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like Apple TV remote.
01:12:32
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- I was gonna say, you were listing
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all of the MacBooks have USB-C.
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- Well, the desktop Macs sure don't,
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'cause my keyboard is connected with lightning
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on both of these Macs.
01:12:40
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- Right, but Apple doesn't update the peripherals
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very frequently.
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- It's a brand new keyboard with the full-size touch bar.
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You know, it boggles my mind why it's lightning.
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It's not as if there's any kind of inertia
01:12:52
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for lightning on the Mac,
01:12:53
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and they were making a brand new keyboard
01:12:55
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with the full-size Touch ID key
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for the brand new Mac Studio,
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and it connects with a cable, if people wanna know.
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One end of it is USB-C that plugs into your computer,
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and the other end that plugs into the keyboard is lightning.
01:13:07
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- Well, in all fairness, like these keyboards,
01:13:09
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they seem very, very similar in overall build
01:13:13
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and engineering and guts to the ones that we've had
01:13:16
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for a long time before them.
01:13:17
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- Yeah, I suppose, it's just disappointing.
01:13:20
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And I know this seems weird to people,
01:13:21
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like, oh, it's just like an iPhone,
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you're just supposed to charge it with that cable.
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Yeah, you can, but for people who don't know,
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if you plug it in with that cable,
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it becomes a wired USB keyboard, and that's how I use it.
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- Yeah, I actually, I never told you I actually have one.
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I did the thing where you stick it under your desk
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so you can have touch ID on a desktop.
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- Oh my gosh.
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- It's actually really great.
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And the reason I, so you know, it's the small one
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that has the touch ID in the corner.
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And you stick it under, you know,
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Velcro it to the desk upside down.
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And so I just reach under this one spot on my desk
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and poke and it's touch ID.
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And it's awesome 'cause otherwise my, you know,
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my laptop is in clamshell mode so I can't reach that sensor
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and I don't use an Apple keyboard to type on
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so that doesn't have one.
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So it's great, I have full touch ID
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and it works fantastically.
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But I did notice if the computer has been idle
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and I walk up to it and try to unlock it,
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it unlocks much faster when I have it wired.
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My theory is that if you touch it and it's Bluetooth mode,
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maybe it takes like a split second to connect back
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to the computer before it starts the authentication process.
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Whereas when I have it wired,
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it works 100% of the time instantly.
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So it's fantastic.
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- Yeah, that's another thing that I missed for years
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on the Mac from like the super old classic Mac days,
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Apple desktop bus connected keyboards.
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I used to have a power button on them
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that you would power the computer on from the keyboard,
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and also obviously wake it from sleep
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and do a lot of this stuff.
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And this kind of reminds me of that.
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So with the Mac Studio with the Touch ID,
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you can walk up to a computer that is locked
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and running the screen share or whatever,
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and all you do is you don't do anything else.
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You just put your finger on Touch ID
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and it wakes the computer and unlocks it.
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It's so fast and it's so much nicer than like,
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go hit the space bar to wake it up,
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then type in your password or anything like that.
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You don't have to wait, what I'm saying is
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you don't have to wake it up before you put your finger
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on the touch ID.
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You just put your finger on the touch ID
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and it does everything for you, it's great.
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Face ID would be better, but you know.
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Oh, and so related to your discussion
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of the lightning cable and how they changed the iPads
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and no one freaked out about it,
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because the iPhone is such a,
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you know, it looms larger in pop culture
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and practically speaking there are literally billions more
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of those devices than there are iPads,
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people are going to complain,
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but that is not a complaint that is founded
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in any kind of facts.
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I mean, it's difficult when any kind of transition
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takes place.
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People didn't like changing from DVD to Blu-ray
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if people even did that.
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People didn't like changing from cassette to CD.
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Like everyone always complains,
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"I gotta replace my connection,
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"I gotta buy all new things," or whatever.
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When, you know, Lightning replaced 30 pin,
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I had to throw away all my cables and blah, blah, blah.
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But it's been a decade, people.
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Like, Lightning has been here for 10 years.
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It's okay once a decade to improve the connector.
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And then on top of that, with Apple seemingly not complaining
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or pushing back against this, my understanding
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is that Apple was heavily involved
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in the creation of USB-C, which is why it doesn't suck.
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And so it's not like they're like, oh, they're forcing me
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to use this weird connector.
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It's a connector that they had a hand in creating that they
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apparently like a lot and put on a lot of their products.
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So it's not like Apple is anti-USB-C,
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and there is no perfect time to do this.
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And so when this happens, and there's
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it's gonna be some story for iPhone 15,
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like oh, I have to throw out all my cables or whatever.
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It's like, give it a rest.
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Apple's constantly changing the cable.
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Every decade?
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It'll be fine, I promise.
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The idea that there'll be one technical standard
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and you'll never have to change it,
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like that was true of the telephone system maybe,
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but even then, they never changed the telephone connector.
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It's still whatever, what's the small telephone on RJ?
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- RJ11. - 11.
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- Yeah, they never changed the RJ11 connector,
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but you know what, it stayed around for so long
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that it became obsoleted by,
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people don't have landline phones anymore.
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So like, if you did have landline phone, it's got RJ11,
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but guess what, it's not a thing in your life anymore
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'cause everyone just uses their cell phones, right?
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We don't want that to happen.
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We want better, faster innovation than that.
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And Apple voluntarily choosing to change the connector
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for all their peripherals once every decade
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- Well, let's do some Ask ATP.
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Michael Chan writes, "How do you guys manage
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"mail notifications on your various devices?
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What mail apps do you use and how do you categorize and control what emails you consider worth
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getting notifications for?
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And what emails you consider best looked at on your own time?
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Do you use Priority Inbox or something like Outlook's Focus Inbox?
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First step is don't have a real job.
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So you don't have to worry about this near as much.
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But for me, I think I established this when I was at my jobby job.
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I have my family, like Aaron and my parents,
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like a couple of my brothers,
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and marked as favorites, I think it is,
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and contacts for VIPs, whatever it is in contacts,
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and marked them as basically whatever that is,
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the first tier.
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And I have notifications for them and for nothing else.
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And I just use the mail app pretty much everywhere.
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Like I don't, I personally don't understand
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how any person can use the web as their primary email app.
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I'm looking both at my wife and at John.
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It is just not for me.
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And so I just use MailApp everywhere.
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I did really like-- what was it--
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MimeStream, which is a very not great name.
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But I used that before I had moved to FastMail.
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And that was really good.
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And there's-- oh, shoot.
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I can't think of the name of the app.
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Somebody's writing a similar style app, but specifically
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for FastMail and JMap servers.
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If I remember, I'll put it in the show notes.
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But I just use MailApp and I just let VIPs come through
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in terms of notifications, that's what I do.
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- Yeah, I don't even have that because nobody
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I would have as a VIP ever really emails me.
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So I just don't have mail notifications.
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I let it badge the icon only on the Mac,
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not even on my phone, and that's it.
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And so I look at mail, if I have time,
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I look at it when I see that little badge up there.
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I will say one thing too, this is not at all related,
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well it's very loosely related to this question.
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So I've been using the iOS 16 beta for,
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I don't know, a few weeks now, and I really like it.
01:21:23
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- Yep, yep, yep.
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- And one thing I've noticed is that with the new
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lock screen redesign, notifications are now relegated
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to a much smaller part of the lock screen.
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They basically have been pushed down,
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and they kinda stack up much more than they did
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in iOS 15 and prior.
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And so it actually, it's making me miss notifications now
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because they stack up and I never dig down.
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And so one thing I'm having to do,
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so first of all I think this is very interesting
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and for a lot of reasons, not least of which
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is that to app developers, your notifications
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are now worth less than they were in previous versions
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of the app and they will be noticed less.
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And as a user, it's gonna make me be even more strict
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about which notifications I allow to be shown
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on the lock screen and therefore be noticed at all.
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Something like mail notifications that are fairly
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unimportant for most people most of the time,
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or at least, unimportant but at least not time sensitive,
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that kind of stuff, you're gonna start having to make
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tough decisions, unless this is some weird fluke
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about the way I was 16 working on just my phone,
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but I don't think it is, I think this is just a new design.
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And so if you want to actually see your notifications
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reliably, you're gonna have to start being much more strict
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about deciding what is time sensitive and what's not.
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And most things are gonna be not,
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and therefore most notifications
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aren't going to be necessary or prominent.
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- I was hoping all of our answer on mail notifications
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would be the same, it seems like we're close,
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but for me it's not because like,
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oh, you don't have real jobs, you don't have to worry
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about this, I had a real job for most,
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the vast majority of my adult life.
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My policy has always been like a day phone, night phone guy.
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Always on offense, never on defense, right?
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I do not have, I do not have mail notifications on.
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I have never had mail notifications on.
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The idea of doing that seems like madness to me.
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Maybe it's because I get too much email.
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Like, oh, you can just send it to VIP.
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It's like, no, I never get notifications.
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I don't have badges on for mail on any of my devices.
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Email is not a thing that comes and gets me.
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So I'm on defense.
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I go to email when I want to quote, check email.
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Maybe that's an old person thing, although the young person thing is never checking email,
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so I would say the old person thing is better.
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I am not notified of emails, and I don't badge the icons.
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When I want to go read email, I will go read email.
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If I'm expecting an email, I will check my email.
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Check my email, meaning going to the tab that is always open, and the very first tab in
01:23:53
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the upper left Chrome window on my computer at all times is mail.
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Gmail is on my home screen, but notifications, no.
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Same deal with Twitter.
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Zero notifications on Twitter or whatever.
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life is different. If you're the type person who will forget to check mail, if you don't
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have notifications or a badge, then do what you have to do. But I won't forget to check
01:24:12
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mail, but I never want to be notified about mail. I never want to know how any mail messages
01:24:17
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are making me, because that number would just be terrifying. The way I deal with email is
01:24:21
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I have a huge number of filters that sort of stuff comes in and gets sorted into bins,
01:24:26
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right? And the main view I use in Gmail, I kind of wish it was like the default, but
01:24:30
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it not really matters because I don't ever close the tab,
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is the all mail view.
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It shows me a, it's kind of like my unified view on Twitter.
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It is a linear chronological list of all conversations
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I use, conversation view of all conversations
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and all my email.
01:24:42
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And what I see in that list is, you know,
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things that are unread or bold,
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and then along the sidebar and all the different categories
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are all the bins they got chucked in.
01:24:51
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So I can just look at that sidebar and say,
01:24:52
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okay, I've got, you know, 15 messages from this mailing list,
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12 messages related to the App Store,
01:24:58
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five messages related to ATP, two messages from my family.
01:25:01
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Just by looking at the sidebar and seeing
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what things are in bold and what numbers are after them,
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because it'll give you the numbers,
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that at a glance tells me what the email situation is.
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And then the all-mail view shows me all those messages
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interspersed with all the messages that I have read,
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because that's the way I prefer to do it.
01:25:16
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It's like my unified timeline in Twitter, like I said,
01:25:19
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that I use Twitteriffic to get.
01:25:21
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So I don't use any,
01:25:22
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I always forget how many of these things Gmail has
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when I set up some Gmail for my kids or whatever.
01:25:27
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I don't use any of this like focus mode, prioritize,
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sort it into social media.
01:25:32
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Like Gmail tries to do all this stuff for you.
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I'm not sure if people find that useful or not.
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I bet people aren't going to do what I did,
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which is have, you know,
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200 different rules to automatically sort stuff,
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but that's the way I prefer to do it.
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So I don't use any smart anything.
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My email client is dumb, but it is, well, it's not dumb,
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but it is like,
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it's not trying to use any intelligence
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to organize things for me.
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My rules organize the things,
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and then I'm using the features of the interface.
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the fact that they have categories, labels with counts on them and the all-mail view
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to do all my reading.
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Don Clark writes, "I'm a new father, congratulations, and I found myself taking tons of 4K60 HDR
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videos and photos of my child.
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I'm now very concerned with backing them up.
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Welcome to being a dad.
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I know that each of you have robust photo storage solutions.
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Are these steps documented anywhere?"
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Let me answer really quickly in the middle of his question.
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Mine are not, will not, and should not be documented anywhere because it's a mess and
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nobody should do what I do.
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Moving on to what Don said, Don says,
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I use iCloud Photo Library.
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I have a Synology, but I'm not actually
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doing anything with it yet.
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Ideally, all of my photos and videos
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would be saved to my Synology alongside iCloud.
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Ideally, these locally stored photos and videos
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could be playable on any of my Apple TV's
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throughout the house, perhaps using Plex.
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It said Don, not me, don't worry.
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So I found that they don't appear consistently enough
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or quickly enough in the Photos app on the Apple TV via iCloud.
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And AirPlay stutters with the 4K 60 video content.
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Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Yeah, like I said, don't do what I do.
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That's all I've got for this.
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- My photo stuff is all just in Apple Photos
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and the backup and sync solution is, you know,
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iCloud photo library as the sync and as, I guess, a backup.
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And then because these are all just files
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living in the file system on my Mac,
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it is also backed up by my regular Mac backups,
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which include a local time machine
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and backblaze for cloud backup.
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- Yeah, this is all of the questions
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that comes up frequently,
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Although has a little bit of a twist here with the 4k 60 stuff and trying to play it but for the backups
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yeah, the recommendation is
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You should you know, if you want to do belt and suspenders, you should have two kinds of local backup, right?
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so that would be you know a single Mac in your house where
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All the fixtures are downloaded like download originals and then you back up that Mac
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With time machine and then you also like do a super duper clone or you have a local time machine and a Synology time machine
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but basically two places in your house where there's a hard drive with every one of the bits that is in all your photos and
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I would back up the whole photo library because if you use iCloud photo library if that's how you organize your photos don't just back
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Up the JPEGs back up the whole iCloud photo library. It's not that much more data
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It will cause a little bit of churn on your backup because every time you do anything with like a photo library needs to reback
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Up like the databases and stuff, but it'll be fine. It's not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things
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So pick what those two are
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Do you like time machine you can just do two time machine backups a local time machine to a disk that's connected to your desktop
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Mac if you're cool and have a desktop Mac and then a remote time machine to your Synology,
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right? Or you could do a super duper clone and a time machine backup or you could use whatever,
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right? But two local backups, right? And then for cloud backup, you're like, "Oh,
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I got iCloud Photo Library. I'm covered." You should probably have another cloud backup.
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Backblaze, frequent sponsor of the show, any other kind of cloud backup solution
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that is just essentially backing up your Mac to a cloud service. And the important part of that,
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like I said, is to have at least one Mac, the Mac that is having these backups done to it,
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have the preference set in Apple's photos
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that says download originals,
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because if you don't, your local backups
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aren't backing up your whole iCloud photo library.
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They're backing up whatever subset
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of your iCloud photo library
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that's actually on your Mac at the time,
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which means you gotta have one Mac somewhere
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that's big enough to fit your whole photo library on it,
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so get big SSDs.
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- Oh, and for the 4K 60 thing,
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so you've got all this stuff,
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and you're like, I need some way to play this.
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I agree that the iCloud photo library feature on Apple TV
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is comically bad.
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It chokes so, every once in a while, every few years,
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I check Apple TV to see if it can make heads or tails
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in my photo library, it cannot.
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It does not know what to make of it.
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It shows blank thumbnails and you can try to scroll
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and it just hangs and it's like,
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you cannot use it for the intended purpose.
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I cannot look at pictures on it.
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It just can't handle it.
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Some day, maybe they'll fix that, but they haven't yet.
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So what should you use instead?
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I don't know, but if you have these things
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on your Synology somewhere,
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you probably have a lot of options
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for serving that content to your television
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in a way that is better than iCloud Photo Library.
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I know Plex has a photo solution.
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You could probably even just have Plex
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as like a file server type thing
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and have some other application that reads Plex
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as an SMB share and uses it.
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I don't know what the options are on Apple TV,
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but I feel your pain about iCloud Photo Library.
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Apple ostensibly has a feature
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that lets you look at your photo library on your Apple TV,
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but it just basically doesn't work
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once your library gets to a certain size.
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- Nitish Singh writes,
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I started wondering about the responsiveness of the M1 family under Mac OS. By all accounts,
01:30:21
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it's great right now. But I'm thinking back to the x86 transition and perhaps the PowerPC
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one before it. And there was always this period where things felt so fast because the hardware
01:30:30
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was just so much better than what came before. But then the OS and software caught up to
01:30:35
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it and we get where we are now saying that x86 Macs don't feel so responsive. Do you
01:30:41
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think that we're in a temporary era of Mac OS responsiveness under the M whatever family
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will eventually be eaten away by software growth, or does Apple controlling the silicon
01:30:50
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and the OS mean that things will stay this way and possibly get even better?
01:30:54
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This is actually a very astute question.
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I don't know, but I would think that I would be hard-pressed to see Mac OS just gobble
01:31:05
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up any extra, not literal bandwidth, but figurative bandwidth to the point that we feel like Mac
01:31:11
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OS gets super sluggish on account of hardware being the problem.
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It wouldn't surprise me if we don't get a mythical snow leopard moment for a few years
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and we start to wonder why things are broken and why they're not as quick as they once
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But to answer the question more directly, I don't think so.
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But it's a very good question and maybe I'll be wrong.
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I don't know.
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What do you think, Jon?
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I don't think that what happens is that the software like blokes to eat all the performance
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What happens is you just get used to things.
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If you go back and try like one of the first round of power PC max everything on it is incredibly slow, right?
01:31:51
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Even compared to later power PC max like not compared to today, right?
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It's like just a psychological effect of there are these in
01:31:59
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Discontinuities where we go from one architecture to another and there's a big performance leap it happened with all of them
01:32:04
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I can tell you how amazed we all were playing with graphing calculator on a power PC Mac
01:32:08
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Just you could absolutely not do things with that kind of performance on a 68k Mac
01:32:14
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It was just phenomenal right and the Intel transition was similar things got faster and like they got quote-unquote snappier things that
01:32:20
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You know you weren't aware
01:32:23
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We're slow before something got faster like you know just I remember doing command-line stuff compiling things from the command line on Intel max was
01:32:28
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So much faster than compiling from the command line and power PC max, and it's like why like what's it was?
01:32:33
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It's just disk IO faster like I don't know what's faster about it, but it's just faster right things feel snappier
01:32:38
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What happens is we just get used to those gains.
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Once you go through that jump in performance,
01:32:42
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that jump in snappiness,
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that jump in just absolute raw horsepower,
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the gains become more incremental from there
01:32:47
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because you don't have a big jump,
01:32:48
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but you're still going up for the most part.
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And people say, oh, the software comes and eats all that
01:32:53
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and it becomes slow again.
01:32:54
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It doesn't become slow again,
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it just bends the curve of improvement
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to maybe where it becomes flat.
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But the level it flattens at
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is still way better than where it was.
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It just, over the years, you forget that leap.
01:33:06
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So as fast as things are in these M1s,
01:33:08
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five years now when we're complaining
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with Mac OS is bogging things down,
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pick any task and benchmark it.
01:33:13
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And that five, 10 year in the future M whatever Mac
01:33:17
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will still be faster than the M1.
01:33:20
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It just doesn't seem faster enough
01:33:21
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because it hasn't been keeping up with innovation.
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And there are some places where there's regressions
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where you do something and it just bogs the whole system
01:33:27
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down, it used to be slower.
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Like an example of that is when the Macs went color
01:33:31
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that ate a lot of CPU and memory.
01:33:33
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And if you use an old black and white Mac,
01:33:36
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would do things faster.
01:33:38
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Or things like the Aqua interface in Mac OS X just making pulling down menus slow.
01:33:43
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Pulling down menus were lightning fast on a Quadro 900 and a massively more powerful
01:33:47
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computer pulling down menus were slow because we just went to double buffering and composited
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window manager and stuff.
01:33:52
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So there are cases where software eats stuff off, but over the long trend all that happens
01:33:56
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is we get used to the changes and also the changes become more incremental and not as
01:34:00
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fantastic and we get dissatisfied.
01:34:03
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is appropriate. We deserve continued improvement up until Moore's law ends and we can't make
01:34:09
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things smaller, but we're pretty far away from that, so hang in there.
01:34:14
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William Rainish writes, "Is there any reason why John consistently refers to Mac apps as
01:34:18
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programs as if he were a PC user?" Ooh, sick burn. The term Mac program just sounds weird
01:34:23
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to me, even more so coming from John, who has been a Mac user for so long. That is,
01:34:26
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I think William just answered his own question with the phrase "for so long." Am I right,
01:34:32
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call them Mac programs? I don't think this is a thing that I do. You absolutely do. Well,
01:34:36
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I don't know if you say Mac programs like that phrase with the two words together,
01:34:41
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but you absolutely refer to them as programs, not irregularly. I mean, you know, if you're a
01:34:45
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programmer and you write programs, so they kind of make it goes. Wait, are we supposed to be appers
01:34:51
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now? So the distinction that I, you know, the old person distinction that I have is,
01:34:56
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for a very long time, especially in my writing when I was writing for Ars Technica, I refused
01:35:01
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to use the term app unless I was talking about an iOS app because app was like you know when you say
01:35:06
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app you mean like oh it's like a phone app it was like a term of art for that round of software
01:35:11
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innovation for that marketplace for that thing I always said Mac application spelling out the word
01:35:17
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application is what I call them because I'm an old Mac user I call things application I would never
01:35:22
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call Mac write a Mac program I would call it a Mac application have I said program in the context of
01:35:28
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things running the Mac I'm sure because when you're talking about programming you're in the context of
01:35:31
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of running a program or whatever, yeah.
01:35:32
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I say program because I'm super old
01:35:34
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and remember the times before the Mac
01:35:36
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when everything that ran on your computer was a program.
01:35:38
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Things that are running on your Commodore 64 or your VIC-20,
01:35:41
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yeah, those were programs.
01:35:43
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You write these programs and basic run programs
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on your computer.
01:35:46
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So that's probably why I say program because I'm super old.
01:35:48
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But in terms of the Mac,
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application is where my old man-ness comes out.
01:35:53
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And then in the modern era,
01:35:55
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you know, I just basically have given into app
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because that's what everybody calls it everywhere now.
01:35:58
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Like the iPhone has come and swamped that term.
01:36:00
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So to give an example, and re-advertise my application
01:36:03
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that I continue to fight with using SwiftUI,
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SwitchGlass everywhere, and SwitchGlass
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in the help documentation and in the help text in the app.
01:36:10
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I just called it an app, see?
01:36:12
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I refer to things as the app.
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It is the app switcher.
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That's where all the apps appear.
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There are app icons.
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Drag an app into this.
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I use app everywhere because that's what people expect
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in a modern application, and you know, see?
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There you go.
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I'm doing it.
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That's what people expect in a modern application
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that everything is called an app.
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So I consciously choose to use the modern term
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when I know it will be in front of people
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who don't care about my old school Mac roots,
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but I still think of them as diamond-shaped icons
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with a hand in a tool, and they are Mac applications.
01:36:43
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- I remember this change actually happening
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because this happened as we were users,
01:36:47
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because I think when apps started getting used
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was the App Store on the iPhone.
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It took me a while to start saying app,
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'cause it seemed like one of those things
01:36:58
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when Steve Jobs announced the App Store,
01:37:00
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and he kept saying, "App, app, all these apps,"
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it sounded like they were almost trying to belittle them.
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Like, "Snacks, we just snack on this little app over here.
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"Look, here's an app."
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Because they were, in a sense,
01:37:11
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they were trying to commoditize apps, and they succeeded,
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because they wanted their glorious phone platform
01:37:19
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to have lots of little apps you can just snack on,
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and you definitely wanna spend all this money on the phone,
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and then get all these little apps for it,
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with no big deal to get the app,
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so they have to be really cheap.
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And I think that was in part reflecting
01:37:34
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the way that the company,
01:37:36
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and actually I think directly that Steve
01:37:39
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looked at these things.
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I think the way he viewed third-party applications
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for the platform is like little snacks.
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That to me, it had that connotation
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of almost a diminutive kind of term for what we do.
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And then it kind of took over as,
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well this is what we call all software now.
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Everything is an app now.
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Well then until later it became a service,
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that's the whole thing.
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- Like we can all agree though,
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that no one should ever call appetizers apps.
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- And especially not appies.
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- Oh no, that, yeah.
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- No, like if somebody, okay look.
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If anybody wants to be my friend,
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if we are ever anywhere in existence,
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and you refer to a sandwich,
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by any abbreviation of a sandwich
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that you can possibly think of.
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- Sandy, Sando?
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- We can't be friends anymore.
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- Oh goodness.
01:38:29
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- I haven't heard Sando before, that's a new one.
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- That might be a letter Kenny has--
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- Sandy, what is the other ones you've heard?
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- I can't even say them, they offend me so much.
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- A witch, 'cause there's the restaurant Witch Witch.
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- Wasn't it Witchcraft?
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- No, that was the one that was really good, no joke.
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- It was San Francisco, right?
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- Yeah, it was in San Francisco,
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it was really genuinely very, very good,
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and then I think they all folded.
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- And then it closed down.
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Isn't that why we left San Francisco?
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- Yeah, that was one.
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- Yeah, that was it.
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Oh man, all right, Fletcher O'Connor writes,
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"Recently there's been a lot of discussion
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about Casey's transition to Fast Mail.
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I'm keen to take up your referral code,"
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which is in the show notes.
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- Is this why we have this question today?
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- I don't think I actually put it in, I really don't,
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but at least in part.
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"I've been exploring adopting
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a custom email domain beforehand.
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As a young adult who is too young
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to get in on the ground floor,
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what would you suggest for acquiring a domain
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which is clean and reasonable?
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Ideally, I'd love firstname@lastname.com
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or .com.a for us down here in Australia, that's A-U.
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But obtaining a clean TLD like that
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is extremely costly nowadays.
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I don't want some weird and wacky TLD
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as I still want my email to present professionally.
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But I also don't wanna break the bank
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in purchasing a domain.
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What would you suggest someone in my position do?
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If it's just for email and you're not like trying to do web
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or anything like that, you could do like
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Fletcher@O'Connor.name if it's not already taken
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or something, so one of those like semi-wacky TLDs
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that are still professional-ish, but not--
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- You think oconner.name is available?
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'Cause there's a few O'Conners in the world.
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- Well, that's why I immediately realized
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there would have to be some other, you know--
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- I mean, one thing you could do is first name
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at first name, last name dot something.
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- Which is slightly redundant, but it's still, you know,
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reasonably easy for people to hear and recognize.
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It looks professional.
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So, you know, if you do first name, last name dot tld,
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you have a lot more tld options there.
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Just don't do a hyphen.
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First name, last name, no hyphen.
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- I hear what Fletcher's saying with regard to wacky TLDs.
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Like you don't wanna be Fletcher at oconner.pizza
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or something like that, like that's just weird.
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But there are some reasonable,
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like .family is another example.
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And again, I'm sure oconner.family is taken, but--
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- Well, family doesn't sound professional to me.
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- Well, okay, I could get behind that too.
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But my point is there are reasonable,
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I think there's like .engineer.
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There's a surprising amount of TLDs available now
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that you could do that are at least reasonably presenting
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as a professional.
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I know, Jon, what's your solution?
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- Are all the com.au's really taken?
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I mean, how many people are there in Australia?
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Seems like you should be able to find,
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it's like an advantage of being in Australia
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that you don't have to fight in the dot coms,
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that you have the dot coms that they use.
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I don't think anyone else wants dot com today,
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except for people in Australia.
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A similar experience trying to come up with
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PlayStation names for my kids that are
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not embarrassing to kids, not embarrassing to parents.
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- Gamer stuff is the worst.
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there are so many billions of gamers you don't realize
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'til you try to get your name on any kind of game anything.
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- Yep, you try to get any kind of reasonable thing.
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Well, anyway, domains I think is actually
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an easier situation.
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Now, you're not gonna be able to get anything,
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you're probably not even gonna be able to get
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Fletcher O'Connor or Fletch O'Connor or FL O'Connor
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or F O'Connor, those are all gonna be taken, right?
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But you sort of get into blue ocean pretty quickly
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if you combine two or more words.
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And they don't have to be uncommon words, right?
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So you can just come up with two nice, pleasing words,
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maybe one or zero of which have anything to do
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with your name, that look professional.
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And it doesn't have to mean anything,
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and it doesn't have to prompt people to ask you questions.
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It is hard, I'm not saying it's not hard,
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but there's a lot of domains out there,
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because once you start combining words,
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it's like no one has thought of those combination of words.
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It's kind of like those passwords that they generate for you
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as like, you know, umbrella, hammer, you know,
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Toadstool, right?
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Like, it's a good password,
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'cause it's a weird combination of stuff.
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Now, you don't want it to be too long,
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but I know it's weird.
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You just have to think of something.
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You can think of something that's meaningful to you.
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You can think of like, I've always liked trees in the forest
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and look up different kinds of trees and come up with names.
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Make sure it's easy to spell.
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It doesn't have alternate spellings.
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It doesn't sound like some other word
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that's spelled differently.
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No hyphens, just not too long.
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It is possible.
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So I would say take the time,
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especially if you're gonna like,
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this is gonna be my domain for everything.
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Take the time to do it up front.
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I tried to do this in my life.
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I had a perfect domain name and I could not get it.
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The person who had it let it lapse,
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but there's that grace period,
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you know, like if you let it lapse,
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it gets, it's still locked and you can't get it
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unless like the grace period goes by.
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They let it lapse.
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I'm like, now I'm finally gonna get it.
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That's how I found out about the whole grace period thing.
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And within the grace period, they regot it
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and it annoyed me so much.
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I spent years just bitterly trying to get that domain name
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'cause it would have been perfect for me,
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but I couldn't get it.
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And it, what it took like 20 something years
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for me to settle on Hypercritical,
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and I couldn't even get the .com of that,
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although I make offers all the time,
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and they keep saying, "Do you wanna pay $30,000?"
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And I say, "How about 200?"
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And they say, "Okay, I'll talk to you next year."
01:43:23
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But anyway, hypercritical.co is my name now,
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and it's fine, I kinda like the .co,
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and the reason I picked .co is just like .com but shorter.
01:43:30
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Right, that's why, you know, that's why people pick .co.
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That's another example of like a domain that,
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I don't know, if it's unprofessional,
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if you did like .io or .co,
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those both sound pretty professional.
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I/O sounds techy, co sounds kind of like company.
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There is the possibility that people will be confused,
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the .co and .com, so maybe you don't want to do that
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professional, like .com is the thing you want to go to.
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Like, people know what .com is.
01:43:51
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Or .name is probably okay as well.
01:43:53
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But honestly, I think in most situations,
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like email addresses tend to be electronic,
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and people are clicking on them and not writing them in,
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so it's not that bad.
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But yeah, don't give up.
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I believe there is a one or two word .com, .au,
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or even plain old .com domain name
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that you will be happy with, that is professional,
01:44:12
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that can't be misspelled, that is easy to say
01:44:14
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over the phone, that is not too long,
01:44:16
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and that is not embarrassing.
01:44:18
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- Real time follow up, oconner.wtf is available
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for $31 American.
01:44:23
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- And you can make an offer on oconner.name,
01:44:26
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minimum offer $200.
01:44:28
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- That's not that bad.
01:44:29
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- That's not that bad.
01:44:30
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- That name isn't that good though, I mean that's not.
01:44:32
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- Yeah, for domain names, like there's so many sites
01:44:35
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that sell you domain names, if you ever see a thing
01:44:37
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that says this domain name is available, make an offer.
01:44:41
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That has no connection to anybody
01:44:43
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wanting to sell a domain name, just FYI.
01:44:45
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Everybody will say, sure, just tell me
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how much you're willing to pay,
01:44:49
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and they will go off and try to make that happen,
01:44:51
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but don't think because you see that
01:44:52
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that there is some person or company
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that owns a domain name that is trying to sell it to you.
01:44:56
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That is almost never the case.
01:44:58
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- So for the longest time, list.com was taken by,
01:45:03
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and it was legitimate, it wasn't just squatting,
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it was taken by Long Island Soda Systems,
01:45:07
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And I was too young when the Long Island Soda Systems,
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I don't know if it collapsed,
01:45:14
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if they just didn't care about the web or whatever,
01:45:16
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but it eventually got released.
01:45:18
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And so now I'm looking at a seto, cedo.com,
01:45:24
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- Oh yeah, they're a big domain,
01:45:25
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like broker for domain transfers, basically.
01:45:28
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- Right, so I'm looking at list.com.
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This premium domain, and I guess it's premium
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'cause it's short, is for sale in partnership
01:45:35
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with Cedo, Seto, whatever it's called.
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Your offer, US dollars make offer below the big green make offer button.
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Minimum offer $200,000 USD.
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It is four letters long.
01:45:46
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Although to give, to give an example of like, say domains are available.
01:45:49
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So, you know, I recently was selling t-shirts from one of my other podcasts.
01:45:53
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It's called Reconcilable Differences.
01:45:54
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And, uh, when it, when I made that podcast and it was like, oh, we should have a
01:45:57
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Twitter account, Reconcilable Differences is a mouthful.
01:46:00
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And I think it's too long for a turtle handle.
01:46:01
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So I said, oh, let's see if rectiffs is available.
01:46:03
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I got the rectiffs Twitter handle.
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And when I came, that was like seven years ago.
01:46:08
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Just this past month, I said, oh, we're doing a shirt sale.
01:46:10
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I need to get a URL for the shirt sale
01:46:12
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because it's hosted on its own site or whatever.
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It just redirects to the Cotton Bureau thing
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when you click through.
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Anyway, I said, let's see, is rectiffs.com available?
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Rectiffs.com was available, R-E-C-D-I-F-F-S.com.
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- D-I-F-- - A short domain name,
01:46:27
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exactly what I would want it, matches the Twitter handle
01:46:30
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seven years after I started the podcast,
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and it was available.
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I got rectiffs.com, I got rectiffs.store,
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I got rectiffs.org, that's why all these names are taken.
01:46:39
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- Wait, why did, if you had the .com,
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why did you get any others?
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- 'Cause .store is fun.
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- They were redirected to each other.
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I wanted to cover all bases.
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If people didn't remember the .store
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and they just typed rectiffs, you'd get to it.
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Like, no one was not buying a shirt
01:46:52
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because they couldn't find the page, right?
01:46:54
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But the point is, rectiffs, I know that's weird,
01:46:57
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but you're like, but see, because it's a combination
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of two things, two things that happen to be an abbreviation,
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and it's exactly the domain I want.
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I don't even want ReconcilableDifferences.com,
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I want rectifs, 'cause it's much easier to say.
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So don't give up on the idea that all the domains are taken.
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There are ones out there,
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just waiting for you to find them.
01:47:14
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- Dave Brash writes, "What's the proper etiquette
01:47:16
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"for retiring a Mac to the Syracuse Museum in the sky?
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"Format first, or close the lid and pack it away,
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"time capsule style?
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"If I do the latter, will it poison my iCloud data
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"when I fire it up in a decade?"
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- Oh, that's interesting.
01:47:27
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- iCloud, how many of my Macs have iCloud?
01:47:30
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- Do any of them have mobile meal?
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So my intentional strategy with that is
01:47:37
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you just close it up, you don't touch anything on it.
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'Cause it's supposed to be like a time capsule.
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Like this is what my computing life was like.
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You don't wipe the hard drives, you don't copy them,
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you don't remove anything, stuff is exactly as it was
01:47:48
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the moment it was decommissioned, right?
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Now yes, in theory, if you take the thing out
01:47:52
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and turn it on, like oh, it's gonna poison my iCloud.
01:47:54
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But trust me, it's not.
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Like they won't be able to connect,
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they won't work correctly.
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You probably won't even be able to get them on the WiFi.
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Like they won't be plugged into Ethernet.
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or it'll be a 68K Mac that has no idea
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how to get on the internet and you'll be, you know,
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launching a Mac TCP or whatever
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and try to open a PPP connection to somewhere.
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It's not as a big a concern as you would think,
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but anyway, the reason I don't touch them is,
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well, one, it's less work, and two, that's what I want.
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I want the snapshot of exactly what things were like.
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I want all my icons, all my window positions
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back in the days when a Mac remembered them,
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you know, just everything the way it was.
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- To go back a step, flowcon.com,
01:48:28
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which is probably a mouthful, but F-L-O-C-O-N-N.com
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for Fletcher O'Connor.
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- I would not pick that, it's too easy to misspell.
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- I don't know how to spell that when you say that.
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- Also, it sounds like some kind of HVAC company.
01:48:40
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- It does, actually.
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- Don't be tied to having it with your name.
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It could be anything that you think you're interested in.
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It could be just like, you know.
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- It's only $14 though, Flowcon, Flowcon.com.
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- I don't know, there's a service I can provide.
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You just have to sit down with somebody and say,
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"What things do you like?
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"What things or words or feelings or places
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are meaningful to you and then just try to come up with stuff.
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Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin.
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Cause it was accidental.
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Oh it was accidental.
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John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him
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'Cause it was accidental, it was accidental
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them
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@C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S
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So that's Casey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M,
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Auntie Marco Armin, S-I-R-A-C,
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U-S-A-C-R-A-C-U-S-A, it's accidental.
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They didn't mean to.
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Tech podcast so long.
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I think the Swift UI thing is actually improving.
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- Oh, tell me more.
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- I think I have finally figured out
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how to use the new Navigation Split View API
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in a way that I don't hate.
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There's a couple of bugs that I actually have to file
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bug reports for, like ASAP, because it's just simple stuff
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like when you, if you change from light mode to dark mode,
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it doesn't regenerate some of the icons
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and like the back buttons and the toolbars
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and stuff like that, and so they have the old color.
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So I gotta file stuff like that,
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and if they don't fix that before release,
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I literally can't use this.
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unless I can find some hack work around.
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But assuming that that kind of stuff
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can get fixed before release, I think I actually
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might have finally gotten it to a place where I can use it.
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So we're going to see.
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I'm going to proceed and see what else I can customize
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about this and see how much more of my UI
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I can get to function in this environment
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to some kind of minimum spec.
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But I think I'm getting there.
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And there's still certain things that are comically obtuse,
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and I'm still hitting walls, and I'm still
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hitting weird behavior where, for some reason,
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if I write it this way, it doesn't update the state
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when the value changes.
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But if I write it this other kind of similar way,
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for some reason, that works.
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There's still things like that I'm figuring out,
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or at least plowing through over time.
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But I am actually making progress.
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I'm not hating it as much as last week.
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- I was making huge amounts of progress
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in my hacking on my app with SwiftUI.
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But I always want more, 'cause it's a Mac app
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and I know how Mac apps are supposed to behave
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and it's like, but it should do this and it should do that.
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And as soon as I get something working,
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it's like I fight with it, fight with it,
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and I get it working and it's like,
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but I also should do this other thing.
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It's just compounding and I feel like
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I'm getting to the point where I'm going to have to,
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this is silly, but when you're doing it,
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something like this, or it's like a hobby project
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that's not gonna actually make me any money,
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I will have to eventually break down
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and read all the articles that people are recommending
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for like, we'll put it maybe in a future show notes
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if I ever read it, but like lots of people recommended
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like, hey, you should read this,
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you actually know how SwiftUI works under the covers
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to Marcus point last week,
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like understanding what it's actually doing
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and not just like poking at the surface,
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but understanding it at a deep level
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is the key to doing really complicated things, right?
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Simple things you can get by
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with just sort of understanding it,
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but at a certain point you really have to know
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how the machinery works to understand why,
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like I've already done things that I'm like,
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I'm not sure why this fixes it.
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I have theories about why it fixes it,
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and the theories seem to be borne out by my experimentations
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'cause I always have, I have my project,
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and then I have a playground right next to it
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where I'm making the toy examples, like testing my ideas.
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Fuck, playground is such a mess.
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Like that, it stops working like so often.
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I have like, quit Xcode and restart.
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But anyway, I'm always testing my theories,
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but I really do need to,
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I've been avoiding understanding it at a deep level
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'cause it's like, ah, this is a fun thing,
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I don't need to get that,
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but I think I have to get that deep.
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And then the other experience I had today
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to contrast with my SwiftUI experience is,
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my app is, it's an AppKit app,
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but it uses SwiftUI for its one little thing
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that's on the screen.
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But other parts of it are just plain old AppKit,
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and you know, like dialog boxes or whatever.
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And one of my dialogs, I was adding support
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for a bunch of features today,
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and I couldn't figure out how to do something.
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And the difference between SwiftUI, a four-year-old API,
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in AppKit, a what, 30-year-old API,
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is that when I'm doing stuff with AppKit,
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and I know neither one of these things.
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I don't know SwiftUI, I don't know AppKit.
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Like, I'm not an experienced with any of these APIs.
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So it's like clean, I'm starting from a level position
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for both of them.
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But with AppKit, I know that there's a way to do it.
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It's just a question of me finding.
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SwiftUI, very often there's not.
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But like, I was trying to get something to work in AppKit,
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and it's like, I can't figure it out,
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and there's like so many APIs,
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there's just so many features and so many things,
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and it's just, it's like a giant forest,
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and it's like, one of these things does what I want,
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but I can't find it, SwiftUI, there's four methods
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and if they don't do what you want, that's it.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Or like, the one that you do what you want,
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like I said, you know, oh, these APIs exist,
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but if you want this one feature that is the basic feature,
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you gotta increase your target OS to Mac OS 12,
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because that feature isn't available in 11.
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So, and the good thing about AppKit is I can go to the Slack
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with all the old AppKit people and say,
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hey, how do you do this?
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And out of nowhere, somebody comes and says,
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oh, it's just easy, let's just do this,
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and it's always a one line solution in AppKit.
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It's like, just type this, and it's like, yeah,
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you pass negative one to this thing,
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and it targets the whole thing
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instead of the individual item, and it's like,
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and it's documented, it's documented in the documentation.
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I just never had gone to that documentation
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because there's so much documentation and so many features.
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So not that, you know, they're both frustrating,
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like not knowing how to do something.
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Oh, and the other thing is when I couldn't do it in AppKit,
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I was in SwiftUI mode, and I'm like, you know what,
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I'll just do it myself.
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What I was trying to do was get an entire table view
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to highlight instead of just an individual row,
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because when I drag something into the table view
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it auto sorts, so if I use the default highlighting
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it makes it look like you're inserting the item
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between items two and three or whatever,
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but you're really not, you don't have that precision.
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As soon as you drop it I'm gonna resort it, right?
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So I wanted to just highlight the whole thing.
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I couldn't figure out how to do it,
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but I'm like hey, this is AppKit,
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I'll just draw the freaking highlight myself.
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I have total control of everything,
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just subclass, override, draw a big rectangle,
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and you know, that works pretty well,
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but I was like, you know, this is AppKit,
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I shouldn't have to do that.
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That's a Swift UI thing.
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And sure enough, I didn't delete all that code,
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delete that entire subclass,
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put one line into an init method
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to set the thing the way I wanted it and it did it.
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So yeah, 30 year old APIs, pretty sweet.
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- Pretty good.
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Yeah, I actually, on a lark, I searched,
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so I had three different major areas of complaint last week
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and on a lark I searched for the class.
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I think it's photos, or it's a view actually,
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Photos Picker, I think it's called.
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And I searched for that in SwiftUI,
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either on Reddit specifically, or maybe I just did
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like a DuckDuckGo search, I don't recall exactly.
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But I found a Reddit post that told me exactly
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what I needed to know to solve the problem.
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Now, granted, it would have been nice if I could find that
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in Apple's freaking documentation,
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but at least I found it somewhere.
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And so that one of my three issues has been resolved.
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And so all my god-awful code that I was using
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to present a photo picker in the existing version
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masquerade, that can all go away if I'm willing to require iOS 16 right away, which I pretty
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much am. So here we are. And I'm pretty excited about that. All my other issues, though, still
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remain. Probably self-created, but who knows?