486: Field Day at Apple Park
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I packed totally wrong for this trip.
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- Oh, tell me more.
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This is our pre-show then.
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I'm already interested.
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What is going on?
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- So first of all, hi everyone.
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I'm in California on vacation.
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Not really on vacation.
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- Always on vacation in California.
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- Yeah, so I'm in California.
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Apple summoned a few of us out
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kind of at the last minute last week
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and so we made the pilgrimage to this wonderful event
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and frankly, I'm pretty impressed by the event
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which we'll get to in a little bit.
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But anyway, I didn't bring the bell or the Viber Slab
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or my computer's hat.
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- What are you even doing?
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- I know, it's been so long since I've traveled
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to this conference, I forgot how to do it.
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- I'm so sad.
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- Yeah, and I had to borrow an ethernet cable
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from Underscore.
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- He had it in his pocket.
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- Yeah, of course, he had a special pocket in his jacket
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just for ethernet cables.
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- You joke, but that is possible.
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- Did he have a bell, did you ask?
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I don't care about the Viber Slab.
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- Well, so we just can't talk about network attack storage
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or certain file storage mechanisms.
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- Well, I looked at the sessions and I did a search
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for file and I did a search for time
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and I was very disappointed.
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- I'm so sorry.
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I noticed you avoided the acronym.
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Very well done, John. - I'm trying to make
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you not have to use the bell.
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- Thank you, yeah.
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- I don't know if that'll last through the whole podcast,
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but I'll do what I can.
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- We have a professional discipline going on here.
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This is, you know.
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- And if I mess up, you have to make the noise
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with your mouth, Marco.
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So be prepared for that.
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- It's your punishment for forgetting the bell.
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I do wanna add though,
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if people are feeling bad for me and Casey,
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that we were also both invited by Apple,
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but had to decline for various reasons.
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So don't feel like just they love Marco
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and they don't love us.
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They love us all almost equally.
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- Almost equally.
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- Or at least they tolerate us all almost equally.
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I mean, we don't know.
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- That's probably more accurate.
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No, we each got a call from Apple PR
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and it was the most,
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well, it's not that I'm being hyperbolic,
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but it was extremely heartbreaking to say to Apple
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after I got this call that, all kidding aside,
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not to turn this into analog,
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but I've been waiting for this call for years
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to be recognized as someone who talks about Apple
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and Apple maybe should occasionally remember exists.
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I was gonna say pay attention to,
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no, no, no, don't even do that.
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Just remember that I exist from time to time.
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I got this phone call and it was like,
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oh my gosh, I finally arrived and I can't come.
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So it was both amazing and devastating, and it was the most rollercoaster of a 10-minute
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phone call I've had in a long time.
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But yes, John and I were offered, and like John said, we couldn't make it for various
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uninteresting reasons.
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But nevertheless, our field reporter, Mr. Marco Arment, is at the show.
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Our West Coast correspondent.
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Our West Coast correspondent.
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I like that even more.
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There you go.
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So as our official West Coast correspondent, Marco, could you please give us an update
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on the goings on at WWDC?
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- It's really quite good.
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So before we get into the keynote,
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just a quick overview of what the event actually is,
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like how it actually went.
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And don't worry, we'll save the food for later.
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We will get to the food.
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But seeing, first of all, this event is
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kind of the grand opening of the developer center,
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which is the building we've been talking about.
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It's kind of across the street from Apple Park,
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next to the visitor center.
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And it is, no expense has been spared,
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No detail has been overlooked.
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- Well, there was the crooked E in the LCAP.
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- One detail was overlooked, but it was fixed by what,
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the developer of Halide fixed it, I think?
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- Yeah, I believe so, yeah.
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Was LCAP a buggy release?
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Were they trying to maybe suggest something?
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- Leopard was perfectly straight, and that was not great.
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- Yeah, I didn't see a lion room.
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I think somebody duplicated it and then lost it.
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So anyway, the general building, the developer center,
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is clearly set up for lots of these,
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I think largely still theoretical meetings,
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but that in the future will become much more real
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of they summon you out there because you have a great new app
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that uses, say, CarPlay, and they wanna bring you out there
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to teach you how to use CarPlay better,
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or something like that.
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It seems like the kind of thing that is,
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you wait for them to call you, you don't call them, maybe,
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but maybe you could reach out through Dev Relations
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if you had some reason to come be there.
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it seems like it's kind of like a combination
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of like a tech talk and a lab kind of space
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where you can kind of bring your app to them
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and they can like instruct you on some new API
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that they're making or if you're one of the developers
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that's selected to do like a keynote appearance
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for your app or keynote mention of your app,
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like hey, so and so, use this new API
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and they did the whole conversion in two days.
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Like that's a place they can bring you
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and have all the secrecy necessary
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to show you pre-release stuff
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or for you to show them your pre-release stuff.
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There's all these different rooms
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that have all these different roles,
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and it's pretty great.
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And there's a lot that we can complain about
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with Apple and politics, and we do.
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Whenever that comes up, we very much do.
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And that's, I think, largely a different
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and much smaller part of the company
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that makes those kind of decisions.
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When you deal with the developer relations people,
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who this whole building is kind of
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run by developer relations,
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they seem like they're really just extremely,
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genuinely friendly and happy to help us.
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It is kind of, you do have to kind of set aside
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all the political and app store policy stuff
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in order to fully enjoy it,
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but I'll tell you, when you're in person,
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you do fully enjoy it, and you do put that aside,
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because clearly the developer relations team
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really is super into their job.
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It seems like it's possibly one of the more fun jobs
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at Apple, if I had to guess.
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It seems like they really are super into
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just being helpful and actually,
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they call themselves evangelists
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and for a lot of the positions
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and I think that's a decent word to describe what they do.
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And so the whole building really kind of,
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it really exuded that quality of just like,
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they love their jobs, they wanna create fun stuff for us,
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they wanna help us out and none of the BS
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about the policy stuff really enters the discussion
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in that building and that's good.
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You know, it's, first of all, that isn't their job
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and second of all, it's nice to have a reprieve from that.
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and to just be able to enjoy this as a developer,
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you know, as an engineer and not worry about all that,
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all the, you know, weird politics stuff.
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So it was actually really nice.
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I think time will tell how this building
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gets used in the future.
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How easy is it if you want to come to, you know,
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one of these labs in this building
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or if you want help that would require coming out here,
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like, how easy is that to do?
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Do you have to, you know,
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do you have to wait for them to ask you?
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Do you have to, like, wait months to get in there?
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You know, how does that work?
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How does this scale?
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Do they end up building more of these?
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I think those are all open questions right now.
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They already have similar kinds of buildings
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in India and China.
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And then there's also these accelerators
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in different places, that's a slightly different concept.
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But yeah, so it's interesting to see how they,
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how this expands in the future
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and how it's used in the future.
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But so far, it's pretty great.
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- That's awesome.
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And so that was the developer center,
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but you got a tour of that, what, yesterday
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as we recorded this on Sunday?
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- It was this morning, yeah.
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- Oh, it was this morning, oh, okay, okay.
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- Yeah, I wasn't there early enough for yesterday,
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so I took it this morning.
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But yeah, overall, it was great.
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And then, and so for the event today,
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just some basics of how this worked.
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So my experience was a little bit different
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than the developer experience.
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I had the media badge, and so we had like
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a slightly different track, but it was overall
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a lot of overlap.
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So we check in, and we were led right into Apple Park,
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like right into the main campus,
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and they let us all for the pre-keynote waiting area
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right into Cafe Max,
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the place where the giant doors open up
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and in the ring and you basically have
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the giant employee cafeteria there.
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So the developers were on the main floor,
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the media was on this little upper deck area.
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We were able to see,
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we weren't able to go into the middle of the ring,
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but we were able to see the middle and take pictures of it
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through the glass and everything.
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And we saw the giant rainbow stage
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and the beautiful mountain backdrop behind it.
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I mean, it's a beautiful place.
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I think one of the reasons why they might have chosen
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to have this event here is in part to kind of show it off
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and in part to just kind of wow us
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because this is, being actually in the ring building
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is something, we talked about in the past,
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it didn't seem like they were ever gonna let
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random members from the public into that.
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And so it was really great just being let in.
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It felt like a special thing.
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It felt like we were being shown the secrets
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by just being in this campus.
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And certainly there's a lot of probably recruiting value
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to that, I would say.
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Also just like, you know, amping up developers.
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You know, there's a lot of value that they have
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in energizing us to really feel good about Apple,
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to really feel good about their platforms,
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to inspire and energize developers to make new stuff.
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And that's harder and harder to come by
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as the company gets bigger,
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as the platforms get more mature and older
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and therefore kind of less exciting in certain ways.
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And you know, again, as App Store policy stuff
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kind of crushes certain people's spirits,
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or bad experiences along the way could really affect that.
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And so it's harder and harder to come by things
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that energize and motivate developers
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for established platforms from giant corporations.
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It's very hard to motivate us like that.
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And this does that, this really very much does that.
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Being able to come to this event in this special place
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and see this special building and be let in.
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And I understand now why they built this ridiculous thing,
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'cause that also energizes all their employees
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and inspires them and gives people something to aspire to.
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Not every employee is even working in this building,
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but you can at least aspire to maybe someday
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be in one of the departments that works there.
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So there's a lot of value to this,
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and to see it as an outsider, as a non-employee,
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even though it was obviously very tightly controlled,
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we're not wandering the halls or anything,
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but just to be there and to see that was really quite nice.
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And then the actual keynote watching
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was not on the Rainbow stage.
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It kind of used Cafe Max as the back seating area
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and then expanded outwards through those open doors
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with probably about 1,000 seats, maybe 2,000 seats,
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something like that, all straight up.
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And then there was a giant stage kind of outside the ring.
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So you started in Cafe Max and kind of expanded out
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into the outer area of the ring.
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Oh, I did see the fence, but I couldn't get close enough
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to take a good picture of it.
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It looks incredible.
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So anyway, the projection of the theater,
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all the details of that were all amazing.
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Like, I couldn't believe how good the sound was,
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considering the acoustics of the environment.
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Like, you are throwing sound across a huge field of people
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against a curved glass building.
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Just managing the sound reflections of that.
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Like, that would have been horrendous
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to try to engineer that, but they did it.
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I was especially impressed,
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like the screen they were projecting onto
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was incredibly bright and colorful in direct sun.
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- Oh, that's not easy.
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- I don't think they were projecting onto it,
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wasn't it, like a micro LED display,
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where the LEDs are not so micro?
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- Yeah, whatever it was,
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whatever technology the screen was using,
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you're probably right,
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it probably couldn't have a projection,
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'cause I can't imagine how they get that kind of brightness,
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but it was clearly visible, there was no glare,
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no reflection, maybe it had nano texture,
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but it was just an incredible,
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very high production value,
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and then I don't know how the livestream started,
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like how the broadcast started,
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but five minutes earlier than the start time,
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Tim Cook comes out on the actual physical stage in person,
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and everyone cheers, and he kind of introduced the event
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in that five minute span, and Craig came up for
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in a minute or two there too, so Tim and Craig were up there
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rallying everybody up, everyone cheered for them,
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then they left, and then the video actually started,
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and there were no other Apple people on stage
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after that point.
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I assume you didn't see that little intro on the livestream?
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- Nope. - Mm-mm, that's correct.
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- Yeah, so anyway, yeah, user in the chat, Wulff, says,
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Tim Cook was the warm up act to Tim Cook?
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That's exactly what happened.
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- Well done.
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- I also heard reports of drones flying overhead.
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Did you see any?
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- There was one drone that started out
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kind of over in the middle and then kind of flew up.
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It was clearly like Apple's drone meant for,
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you know, probably taking some B roll for the actual event.
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But yeah, anyway, it was great.
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And then so after the keynote, which was awesome,
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and I lucked out so much.
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So I was, they set the media in the back.
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So all the developers were in the front.
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Well, the backmost 10 or 20 rows were in the shade
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'cause the building shaded it.
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- And so I'm sitting, I brought sunscreen,
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TSA stole my sunscreen, I had to buy new sunscreen,
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and hats, sunglasses, all this stuff.
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And Apple gave out goodie bags to all the developers
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that included a hat, sunscreen, a water bottle, masks.
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So I now have two of those special Apple Store masks.
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So anyway, we are the very first row that's in the shade
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as it starts, and then as it progressed,
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the sun just added more rows that were in the shade,
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so we never lost the sun.
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Meanwhile, I looked seven rows ahead of me
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was Phil Schiller sitting down.
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He was in direct sun.
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I had a better seat than Phil Schiller.
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- Oh, I don't even know what to make of this.
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Like maybe if he came back on our show more often,
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maybe he would be moved into the good seats
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instead of the cheap ones.
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- Yeah, although I did confirm that he was not,
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in fact, on the roof.
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You know, he is actually still on the ground in Apple Park.
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- Oh yeah, I had a nice little chat with him later on.
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He's cool. - Oh, that's nice.
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Real time follow up, I'm being told
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from an anonymous source that the screen was an LED wall.
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So take that to mean what you will,
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but as you guessed, it is not projection,
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it was actual LEDs of some sort.
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- Yeah, that makes sense.
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And they were, whatever it was, it was fantastic.
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So anyway. - That's very cool.
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- And then after the presentation,
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the developers went back into Cafe Max
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to have a big lunch thing,
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and then I believe they watched State of the Union
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in that same giant venue with the big screen.
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Press was led out.
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Instead of lunch, we went to the Steve Jobs Theater,
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and I've never been there before.
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- Oh, no way!
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- Yeah, and we just went to the lobby,
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like the upstairs big circle of glass.
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We didn't actually go down into the theater area,
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but in the upstairs glass circle room
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was converted into basically a hands-on area
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for the new MacBook Air,
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which again, we'll get to that in a little bit.
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And that's, and that's where, it's funny.
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I'll just tell you this now
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before I give you my impressions.
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So, you know, the hands-on areas at Apple events,
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they're full of all of the video people,
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like everyone who runs YouTube channels and video media,
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all of them are crammed around the product
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with their giant cameras trying to get the perfect shot
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and trying not to get rid of anyone else in the shot.
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And so, you know, those of us who are not video people
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will kind of just hang back, give them a little while,
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and they take forever.
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But, you know, I understand, give them a little while
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to get their video shot and get their perfect everything.
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and they had all the different colors of the map of the air
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around this giant circle of concrete
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and the one blue one that was close,
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that was like the entire half of the room I was in,
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the one blue one, it kept being mobbed by the video people.
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Finally, I finally get my chance.
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The one person ahead of me just steps away from it.
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I go up and I ask the handler, "Oh, can I see this?"
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And they say, "Oh, hold on, we have to wait."
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And that's the moment that Tim Cook is coming up
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for a photo op with that MacBook Air.
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So I had to wait for Tim Cook.
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And that's not, this is not a fast process.
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- Did he take a video of it?
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'Cause he's taken a camera,
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taking a video of him introducing the MacBook Air
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for his channel.
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- Yeah, so, and like, when you see,
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so you know, Tim Cook, as he approaches like the room,
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everyone starts cheering,
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people start mobbing in that direction.
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- Was he crowd surfing?
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- I just stood exactly where I was already standing.
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Which, by the way, I will say, this exact same thing
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happened when I was looking at the Mac Pro in 2019,
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when I was right next to Tim Cook then.
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And this is hilarious, 'cause I don't even like
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Tim Cook that much.
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But like, okay, so when he enters the room,
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it's like, he's a celebrity, everyone cheers,
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everyone moms him, everyone's shouting, hey Tim!
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Everyone's asking questions.
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The guy next to me asks, "Tim, are we in a simulation?"
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That's what it's like to be Tim Cook.
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- Right, yeah, he gave some neutral response,
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like, "No, I think this is the reality," something like that.
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But anyway, so I'm just standing around
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and everybody is shoving me,
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trying to get closer to Tim Cook,
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and I'm like, I just want my turn
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with this frickin' MacBook Air.
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I saw all the other ones, I just wanna see the blue one.
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And it's right there, right in front of me.
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And because, and I am right there.
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And my hope is that I photo bombed every single one
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of these people's shots, that they're trying to get
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a picture of Tim cocaine on his MacBook Air.
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I mean, like, you know, Tim walks up and he's like,
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he's like, there were people trying to shoot him
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from like across the room with this long lens,
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and so he was kind of doing press poses,
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and it was kind of like, remember that episode
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of Parks and Rec where they have like
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the political candidate, and he just kind of like
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sits in a room and smiles like a robot,
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and you're like, what is he doing?
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Like, clearly Tim has done this a lot, right?
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And so he walked up very slowly to the MacBook Air.
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And he takes selfies with everybody on the way out,
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so it takes him a very long time to get there.
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So by the time he gets there, he walks right up,
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and he opens the lid, holds the MacBook Air up,
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he sets it down and types nothing on the key.
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He was typing random characters into a computer
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that was just showing the desktop, there were no apps open.
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But he convincingly looked like he was typing something,
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and he used the trackpad to move.
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He was doing nothing, but the whole purpose
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was just to be photographed, and he obviously knew this
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and was prepared for this and everything.
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It was a funny thing to see very close up,
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'cause they were only like, it was like one person
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in front of me and then Tim.
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So we were very, very close.
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And it just, all the video people trying to shove
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their lenses next to my head, and I'm just standing there
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smiling, I took like two pictures, and I'm like,
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"I'm done, but I'm gonna keep standing here."
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Also, I couldn't move, 'cause there were a million people
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behind me, locking me into my position.
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So I was just like, I'm just gonna enjoy this
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for a little while until the crowd dissipates a bit.
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So I might be on some random news channel around the world
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like in their background footage of Tim Cook
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launching the new MacBook Air.
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- Should look disgruntled.
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When is it gonna be my turn, right?
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Tim cut the line.
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- And you know what?
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I never got a turn.
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It was just so mobbed.
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And I mean, I could have walked around
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to the other side of the room
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and gotten a different blue one
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with the different mobbed video people around it
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for two hours.
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But I was like, all right, I saw enough of it.
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So I didn't actually touch the blue one.
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I did handle a silver one for a while,
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and I got a lot of impressions on it,
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but we'll get to that later.
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But anyway, so that's, anyway,
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after that we all went back to the visitor center.
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We had some lunch there, downloaded the betas,
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bought some shorts for my kid, stuff like that.
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And then that's it, and then we came home.
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- So you did not have an opportunity
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to watch the State of the Union, is that right?
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- Oh, I watched it in the visitor center,
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like I was eating lunch,
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and oh yeah, sat with a few friends of ours, underscore,
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and watched the State of the Union together.
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- Gotcha, okay.
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So I don't even know how to verbalize this.
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So did this feel like WWDC to you?
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I know that we can barely remember what the real
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or traditional WWDC was like.
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It was in 2019 was the last time it really happened.
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But did this feel anything at all similar?
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Did it feel totally different?
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How much, if it was different,
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was that because you're now a fancy press lad,
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or is it different because it's different?
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Can you compare and contrast to 2019?
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- This is clearly the way forward.
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This is definitely how they're gonna keep doing it,
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or at least how they should keep doing it.
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Frankly, when you see how well this worked
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and how happy the Apple people all seem to be
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about how well it was working,
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and you look at all the advantages it has to them,
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I mean, look, there's no conference center involved.
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There's no downtown involved to work with for any of this.
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You have a smaller scale event
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That's like a big in-person celebration
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for whoever can make it, whoever they can get in here.
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But then mostly it's an online conference
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because they said the number,
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I think it was like 20 or 30 million developers
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that they have.
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And even the biggest conferences
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they would hold in person held like 6,000 people.
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And so it's a drop in the bucket.
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And we've been talking for a while,
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clearly what they have to do is keep doing it online.
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Like we saw when they were forced to do it online for COVID,
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we saw how good it became and all the session videos.
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The session production is so great
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and it's better for everybody.
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It's better for the presenters,
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they don't have to get all nervous about doing stuff live.
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It's better for certainly people who are watching at home
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because we have higher production values,
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we can see things better,
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they can edit things if they didn't quite work
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right the first time.
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They can do different camera angles,
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they can have more,
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it's so much better for conference videos
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to be the pre-produced kind that they have now.
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So the only difference is,
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well, how do you solve the fun of an in-person event,
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the community angle maybe,
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Those are hard to solve for sure.
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But I think this is clearly how they're going
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to try to do that.
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Where it's some press, a bunch of developers,
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and they have it kind of be like a celebration of Apple,
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a sales pitch for Apple, a pitch for working for Apple maybe,
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as I was saying earlier with recruitment angle
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of Apple Park being so cool.
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So I think this is clearly the way forward.
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And anybody who is holding on hope for the return
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of a 6,000 person thing in a conference center.
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I think that's not gonna happen.
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We'll see, maybe they can grow this version of this
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a little bit more.
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- How many people were there?
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- I don't think they publicly said,
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I heard it was about 1,000, maybe a little more than that.
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I think maybe they could double it roughly.
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I don't think it would go to 5,000 ever,
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but I could be wrong, I mean, we'll see.
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Apple Park absorbed that many people
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in a pretty graceful way, it seemed.
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Like, it wasn't totally outrageous,
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It wasn't crammed in, it wasn't overcrowded.
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So we'll see.
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But this is clearly the way forward.
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And I think, honestly, it's the way to go.
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Because such a small percentage of the developer community
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is able to come out to these at all,
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to make it way better for all the remote participants, which
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is the vast majority of people who use this content,
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and then have a little bit of fun stuff
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they can do in person for certain things like this,
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I think that's a good balance.
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And we never have to go to a convention center again.
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So it makes sense for us from a media perspective,
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because what you had is the typical media experience.
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Because the first day, there's no sessions anyway.
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People don't know.
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It's just always the keynote in the State of the Union
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and then maybe a hands-on and media briefings, right?
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So that totally makes sense that you have the same thing.
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But for the non-media experience,
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people travel to California to see the cool Apple campus,
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sit in a seat, and watch a pre-recorded video.
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And yes, they got a tour of the Apple Developer Center
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and some other stuff, right?
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But like I do that's not WWDC that's more like
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You know Apple Park tourism right and Apple Park tourism is cool and fun
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But I feel like it's not the same thing as WWDC was which is basically what you're saying is
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They can continue to do this Apple Park tourism thing
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But they should have the media there in person to you know
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For the reasons I described last week is when you're marketing to people you want them to be there in person
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And you can do hands-on stuff or whatever have the conference be online and then have you know field day at Apple Park
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and at the end they asked where everybody was from.
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other parts of California.
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for the idea of flying all the way here
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solely to have Apple Park tourism.
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That being said, the number of people
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who want that is not zero,
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and I think they clearly,
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like if they want to have a few thousand people out here,
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I think it fulfills their desire
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to have a big fun event to celebrate
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all the stuff they're doing.
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They want to have developers come in person.
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They want to have some kind of component like that
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for lots of reasons that I think are pretty good reasons.
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And so this fulfills that need and gives people
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a fun thing to aspire to one day.
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And maybe you don't go every year.
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Even in the past few years of Conference Center,
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WBCs, most people weren't going every year.
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in your career as a goal or once in your career.
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Just to say, "I went there, I saw that place,
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"I was there once, it was great."
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I think that, 'cause that's really what
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the in-person conference was becoming anyway,
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but just with the Conference Center set up,
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it was just becoming a somewhat cumbersome version of that,
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and a limited version of that.
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And this is just so much nicer.
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You don't wanna fly to California
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to see a convention center,
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you wanna fly to California as an Apple developer
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to see Apple's campus, to see the Apple Park,
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to go to the ring, that's what you wanna see.
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And in previous conferences,
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you almost never would see Apple's campus,
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unless you go way, way, way back.
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But in the modern era, you would never have
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the kind of access we had today with the old setup.
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and now you do, and it just makes it so much cooler,
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and it gives you the tourism angle of something cool to see,
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almost as a totally separate thing
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from the actual conference, which is something
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that you do on your own time in your hotel wifi later.
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- Was the Bash at Infinite Loop in 2008 or something?
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I thought I saw James Thompson posting some pictures.
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Like, I know time is relative,
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and you say way, way, way back.
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It was still in the 2000s when they did the,
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they used to call it the beer bash,
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that's how politically incorrect it was,
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and that was actually on the Infinite Loop campus,
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and they would bring developers there,
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and they'd sit on the grass and do stuff.
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2003 maybe, I don't know, in the 2000s I think.
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But yeah, I guess that's ancient history now.
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There was a lot, a lot covered.
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It was basically like a two-hour keynote, wasn't it?
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I didn't actually look at the time.
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We are going to, famous last words,
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attempt to blow through a lot of this as quickly as possible
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and then we will have plenty of time
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to talk about it over the coming weeks.
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Also, we don't plan to cover the State of the Union today.
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We'll probably cover that next week
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we can get through our follow-up in a timely manner. So here we go, we're just going to try
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to plow through in semi-chronological order. We start with I was 16 and Craig, and I know we've
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said this many times in the past, Craig is just leaning into this presenter role, man. I just,
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I keep getting flashbacks to him with his shaky hand over the magic mouse, and he is like the king
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of presenters now. He is so good, and I, in leaning into these ridiculous like segues and montages or
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or whatever, it made me very happy.
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But he started talking about an all new lock screen,
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which had been rumored for a while,
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and it sounds like there's widgets on the lock screen now.
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- Yeah, this is really interesting.
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So what they've effectively done here is,
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widgets are now powered by WidgetKit.
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Include, sorry, they've always happened, sorry.
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Complications on the watch are now powered by the same code.
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So now, you write a complication using WidgetKit,
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and that same thing runs on the phone lock screen
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and the watch.
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Same code, it can run on both places,
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and you can customize it in certain little minor ways.
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So it's all the Swift UI code, and it's great.
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And I installed the beta on a little test phone
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here that I have here.
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I played with it for a few minutes.
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That's the only thing I've played with so far,
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'cause I haven't had too much time,
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but it's pretty great.
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You have a lot of customization.
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- This is so wonderful, and by the way,
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it was amazing sitting next to Underscore
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as they were demoing this, 'cause--
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- Oh, man. (laughs)
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- It looks just like Widget Smith in so many ways.
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Especially like, one thing that shocked me the most,
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so they had this new home screen customizability designs,
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and they have all these little things where like,
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oh, the picture can have elements
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that obstruct part of the time,
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so the time gets kind of layered
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into elements of the picture,
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so that it's partly covered up,
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but they're leaning hard into that, I think,
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'cause it's novel, I don't know why
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you'd want your time to be partially covered up, but cool.
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- I thought it looked very cool.
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Like I understand what you're getting at,
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but I still thought it looked really cool.
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- They're trying to make the person stand out.
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They always show that.
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They show that on the watch faces too.
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Like it's basically if you have a picture
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of one of your kids or your spouse or something,
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like the person isn't slightly in front
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of the little bottom of the time.
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So you can still read it 'cause the numbers are big,
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but it makes the person pop.
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- Right, right.
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So anyway, there is tons of customization.
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One thing that surprised me greatly
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is that they are offering different fonts.
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Like that I thought was a huge surprise.
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- Yeah, and colors.
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Colors I figured they would do,
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because the watch does colors, right?
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The watch does not do fonts.
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So that I thought was really surprising.
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And it's good, because it'll offer a lot of variety
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and personalization, and people always want personalization.
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And when you are the world's biggest corporation,
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and you make these devices that,
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so many people have iPhones and Apple Watches,
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like so many people have these devices,
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that to have more personalization, we've seen before,
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People eat that up, people want that, and you need that.
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And the lock screen before has been so tightly controlled
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and sterile.
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Really, it's time for this.
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I'm very, very glad they've added this,
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and I think we're going to see a lot of great customization.
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And even though I think the actual utility value,
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it will depend a lot on how you use your phone.
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It will depend on how often do you
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see your lock screen versus just blow right past it
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and unlock your phone and go do something in your phone.
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So that's going to depend a lot on your usage pattern.
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For me, I don't know how it'll fly necessarily,
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but I'm really happy to see this as a thing.
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I think people are going to love this.
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They're going to use the crap out of this.
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And we're going to see some really cool lock screen
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widgets and designs and customizations and everything.
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And this is just great on all fronts.
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I think the utility of it really ties into the whole focus modes
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thing, where you can have multiple lock screens based
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on your focus mode.
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in particular the idea that you can have one for work and for home right and so what I
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mean maybe this is bad but like the thing I immediately thought of is like all right so work
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focus so first of all what you'd put on the lock screen and your work focus is like your work
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calendar which maybe you don't need to see the other times like uh you know some work related
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messaging things or like a a little widget that shows you the status of some service or whatever
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and stuff like that and don't have the you know picture of like your favorite marvel character or
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or something like they have maybe a work related background
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that's more serious and business like.
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And the reason why you might be looking at your lock screen
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is 'cause back in the old days
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when we have meetings in conference rooms
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and your phone is on the table,
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you just tap your phone, look at the lock screen.
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You're not unlocking it
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'cause you don't wanna pick up your phone and unlock it
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'cause that would be rude during a meeting,
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but you might wanna glance at the lock screen.
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You know what I mean?
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I feel like that's the main scenario
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where you're looking at your lock screen, but not unlocking.
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Maybe you just pretend you're checking your time,
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but where you're really checking
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is to see if that person responded to that email
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that you sent before the meeting.
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But you wanna do it in a discreet way
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and not unlock your phone.
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I think they're leaning into the focus modes
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and having apps be aware of the focus modes
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and having the apps change based on the focus modes
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and everything.
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It's just gotta be catnip for the right kind of person
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who really wants to essentially have a day phone
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or a night phone, a work phone and a home phone.
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It's the same phone, but it's transforming itself
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based on your context in more and more ways,
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and the lock screen is definitely part of that
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because customizing your lock screen for work-related stuff
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lets you essentially not junk up your personal phone.
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If you're using your personal phone at work,
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which many people do,
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you know, it usually has an MDM thing,
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profile on it where they have control of it,
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but you don't wanna junk it up too much,
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but you want it to be useful and work,
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and it's great to have your work phone
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transform back into your personal phone, sort of,
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in terms of, you know, the picture of your kid
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and your wife and the widgets you wanna see
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and your sports scores and everything like that,
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and all that stuff is,
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you don't have to like come up with this weird compromise
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that is serious enough for work,
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but has enough of the stuff that you want at home.
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Now you can have two totally different experiences.
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- Yeah, that's a really good point.
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And it also looked like, if I understood it correctly,
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you can swipe side to side to get the different lock screens
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a la Apple Watch.
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I might have that wrong.
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- After you do a long press, I think.
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- Is that what it is?
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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- I was worried about that.
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I don't know if you've tried this yet, Marco,
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but long press on the lock screen?
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I'm always afraid of accidental activation
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'cause I know that my parents butt dial me enough
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as it is somehow.
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I don't know how they do it.
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Maybe it's like the delay that we talked about
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in the past show where you hit the power button
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and it doesn't go to sleep immediately
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'cause it's waiting to see if you're double tapping it.
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And maybe that's enough for them to like fat finger it
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or whatever, but anyway.
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We'll see how it is.
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Parker, do you have the beta?
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Casey, do you have the beta installed?
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- No, I haven't put it on.
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- I do, so you do have to long press.
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'Cause right now if you swipe to the right,
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you get the camera and if you swipe to the left,
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you get like your like today widget kind of view.
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So you do have to long press to switch them.
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But it's a long press on the locked screen, right?
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- So that seems weird to me,
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and a little bit maybe prone to accidental activation,
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but I suppose we'll all find out when we try it.
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But like I said, there's no more force touch,
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no more press hard on your thing, Apple removed that.
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They even removed it from the watch, didn't they?
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Or is it still the watch? - Yeah, it's gone.
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I think it's gone from all modern up-to-date hardware.
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- And that was a little bit more of a barrier
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to accidental activation, because you had to press hard,
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and I understand why they got rid of it,
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you know, the sensors and everything,
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and the bending of the screen and not being able
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to do an iPad and yada yada, it's fine.
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But we'll just see how it works out.
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But that was the one reservation I had.
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The other thing I noted about this whole lock screen thing
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is, you know, as Marguerite just said before,
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like Apple realizing belatedly, I would argue,
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how much people wanna customize their phones.
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And in particular, the features for the lock screen
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recognize that people wanna customize their phones
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in ways that quote unquote don't make sense
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or don't have utility, right?
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Like that you say, well, why would you want it that way?
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And the answer is, well, I want it the way I want it.
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And that's what Apple is finally giving people.
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So the example here is like notifications.
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Rather than notifications filling your screen
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when you have a lot of them,
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we know that a lot of people have like a picture
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of a loved one on their lock screen,
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and they don't want the UI covering
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that picture of the person.
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And so let's jam all the notifications down
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into this little stack.
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It's like, well, I can see less stuff.
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I've got this whole phone screen.
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Why am I moving everything down?
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That's what people want.
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They don't want stuff covering the pictures of their kid.
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You see people do it with their home screens.
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They put it on their actual home screens,
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they put a picture of their spouse or child or something
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and they arrange the icons in the home screen
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so it doesn't cover up the person's face.
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That's like, well, you're wasting half your home screen.
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It's like, I'm not wasting it.
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I wanna see, this is what I wanna see.
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I don't want the stuff, I don't want the UI
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blocking the picture that I put there, so let me do that.
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And they're letting that happen on the home screen.
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In fact, you can hide the notifications entirely if you want.
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It's like, well, what's the point of your phone
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If you can't see notifications,
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like that's not why I want my phone.
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I just want this cool picture of my dog on my phone.
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That's what I want.
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And I don't want notifications covering my dog's face.
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- Good old Huckleberry.
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- Yeah, and yes, and also worth mentioning,
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the Live Activities API.
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This is a thing where you can have like a live,
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a widget on the lock screen
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that is live updating and interactive.
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- Yeah, this looks really cool.
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This is so like if you have a basketball game
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that you're watching the score of
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or there's a lift about to pick you up
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and it will update like you were saying live
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to some degree of liveness, it will update live,
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and you can actually see the progress
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of these things happening.
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- Yeah, this is something that they said
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is coming in an update to iOS 16 later this year.
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So that's actually not in the launch version,
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and I don't think we have any API for it yet,
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but they mentioned in the State of the Union
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that when you have a lot of activity thing running,
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your app is running continuously,
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or at least some part of your app,
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maybe it's just the extension that's running that,
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but you have continuous access,
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and you have a regular SwiftUI view there.
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So you can live do whatever you want there.
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So I think you're right.
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Things like your ride sharing thing is on its way.
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You can track that.
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There's so many times where you have
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to keep unlocking your phone to go check something,
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or something tries to send you a million notifications
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to update you on the progress of something that's happening.
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And so for this to be able to help
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reduce some of that clutter and friction and everything,
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I think that could be really cool.
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So we'll see how this turns out.
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- Tiny window with a baseball game in it from the MLB app?
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- Like live video in real time?
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You tap your phone and you can see in a little thumbnail
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the baseball game you're watching.
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- Yeah, and this is obviously also,
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we've heard recent rumors that the iPhone 14
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might have an always on screen option,
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at least the 14 Pro might.
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I think this is clearly in preparation for that.
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'Cause that changes things.
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The utility of this, think about it when you have,
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you're always on screen on your iPhone 14 Pro possibly,
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then I would imagine it would be similar to the Apple Watch
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Always On screen where like when the screen is not
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like fully on, everything's in some kind of dimmed mode
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where maybe you like lose the fill colors on things
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and everything gets less bright and everything,
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but I bet there's gonna be something like that
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for the iPhone 14 or at least some future iPhone
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and this is clearly like setting up this great feature
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to have some like one extra Swift UI modifier
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to make it work on the Always On screen.
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And that's why hiding notifications entirely
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may be a feature because if some future iPhone
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did have an always on screen,
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and then your phone is sitting on your table,
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maybe you don't want notifications to pop up.
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Even if it's just metadata,
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because you can't see the text
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'cause the phone hasn't been unlocked,
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you don't wanna know who the message is from
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or that you got a message.
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So if you want to use always on home screen,
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which I assume will be an option
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just like it is on the watch,
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maybe that's another case
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where you would turn off notifications entirely
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on the lock screen.
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- All right, as we continue along,
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there was some talk about focus,
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which we've, I think, at least slightly covered.
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There was a new concept of focus filters.
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And so this is, for example, you could only show tabs
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that have been somehow marked as relevant to work
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or marked as relevant to home or whatever the case may be.
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Similarly, conversations and messages,
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accounts in the mail app, events in your calendar,
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and apparently there's gonna be a new API for that as well.
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- Yeah, so this is an example of a single phone
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being a home phone and a work phone.
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Like, you know, having in the mail app,
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having multiple email accounts, right?
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You don't want to use one mail app.
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A lot of people do this.
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They say, well, I'll use two different mail apps.
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One will be my work mail app and one will be a home mail app,
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because I don't want my home, my work email mixing.
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I don't like the fact that the two accounts are in there.
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But if you had a mail app that was
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aware that used this new API, it could just completely
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hide the work ones when you're not at work and vice versa.
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And same thing with calendars.
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Again, you could do this manually.
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Oh, every calendaring app has a way
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for you to disable and re-enable calendars,
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but now it can do it based on your focus mode.
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This is an API that people have to adopt,
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and we'll see how widespread it is,
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but it's really setting up a scenario
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where you can use a single phone for it.
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I'm just using home and work,
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but you can imagine a million different contexts,
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like vacation mode or workout mode or meditation mode
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or doing something with your hobby or photography mode.
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It's just many, many options.
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A lot of people don't do this.
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They're just like my phone is my phone.
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I set up the way I want it and it's fine.
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But for the people who do want this,
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having this woven deeper into the system,
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it doesn't take anything away from people
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who don't wanna use it,
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But sounds great for the people who do.
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- Yeah, I do think this is gonna be possibly a tricky thing
00:41:09
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for a lot of apps to implement,
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like just making the UI for the same,
00:41:12
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I haven't looked at the API yet,
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but I assume they have to give us a list
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of your focus modes and then have us offer you check boxes.
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Do you want this to show in work mode?
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Do you want this to show in walk-in-your-dog mode?
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But, and then I imagine this is gonna be
00:41:25
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one of those things that users,
00:41:27
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especially users of power user apps,
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they're gonna demand this,
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from, they're gonna demand their app support this.
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And I'm kind of worried, like, I'm pretty sure
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I'm gonna have to support that,
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given my user base and overcast.
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But yeah, it's a good idea, and I think,
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you know, we'll see how it goes.
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- Yep, here comes one of my favorite portions
00:41:45
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of the keynote, I am not being sarcastic, messages.
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Messages finally got some love, and I am here for it.
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We're getting an iMessage anyway.
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We will be able to edit messages.
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We will be able to undo a sent message,
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and we will be able to praise be.
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We will be able to mark a thread as unread.
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Marry me, Craig Federighi, please and thank you.
00:42:08
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I am so excited.
00:42:09
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- When they announced the editing
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and especially the undo send,
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that got the biggest applause of the day.
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Like from the developers that were there,
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that was by far the biggest applause.
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- I mean, when you control the entire system,
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'cause Apple's, iMessage is Apple's thing,
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they write the apps, they write the servers,
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they write everything, they can do stuff like this.
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They can just, how can I edit, I already sent it,
00:42:30
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how can I undo a send, they already sent it.
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control everything. They can do it. And they finally did.
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Yep. No, this is, this is so great. I'm really, really excited for this. Like I,
00:42:38
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I'm, I'm into editing messages. I think that'll be very convenient,
00:42:41
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especially because I am an old man and I try to write messages that are,
00:42:45
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you know, that is decent English and not complete childlike wording and whatnot.
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But nevertheless, undo send, like whatever.
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I'm sure that'll be helpful from time to time. But marking a thread is unread.
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I'm so excited for because I want to see what people want from me
00:43:02
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But oftentimes I don't want to respond right that second and the way I remember to respond is by not having marked it as red
00:43:08
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So I do you know, it used to be a forced forced press and now it's like the long press and it'll pop up
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The little quick view window that'll so you can read it, but then you got to be really careful
00:43:16
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You don't push it again or anything like that
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suddenly it's marked as red and then once it's marked as red you are you are never going to get a response from me because
00:43:22
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It's been cleared if I don't handle it right that moment. I'm never gonna remember to go back to it
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So marking a thread as unread,
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I am so genuinely excited for.
00:43:31
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This is gonna be great.
00:43:32
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- Yeah, me too.
00:43:33
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- This is another example of a thing that sounds silly,
00:43:35
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like your system is dumb.
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Your whole system is, to remind you to do it later,
00:43:39
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is to just mark it as unread.
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Well, it's not true, you read it.
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Why are you marking it as unread?
00:43:43
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That's a bad system.
00:43:45
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But it's like, that's what everybody does.
00:43:47
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Like, when you give that feature to people,
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mark as unread, that's what people use it for.
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And though you may think that is inefficient or silly
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or people shouldn't use their inbox as a to-do list
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or whatever your mantra is,
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the fact is people want this feature
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and so you should give it to them
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and how people use it is up to them.
00:44:03
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- Yeah, yeah, I'm genuinely super excited for this.
00:44:07
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- Moving along, there's going to be a shared with UAPI,
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there's some SharePlay stuff.
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The most interesting thing to me about SharePlay,
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now I have not done any SharePlay anything
00:44:16
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to my recollection since it's launched.
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However, I did a handful of times
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use Plex's equivalent feature,
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I don't remember their marketing name for it,
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to watch a movie with some family members.
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So we're concurrently watching the movie
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if either one of us pauses,
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then the other one's playback will get paused,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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This is not unique to Plex.
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But my understanding of SharePlay up until today
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is that you had to have a FaceTime call going
00:44:41
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while all this was going on,
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which is not necessarily what you want
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if you're trying to watch a film or a TV show together.
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That does not seem like what you would want.
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And what we did when we were doing this
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with Plex and with family
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was we were in a group chat.
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Well, my darn brother-in-law refuses to get an iPhone
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like an adult, but we were in a group MMS chat,
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and so we were just chatting back and forth,
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sending text messages to each other.
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Well, now SharePlay will support doing exactly that.
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So you can start a SharePlay thing via messages
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instead of FaceTime, and then you still get
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the whole playback being paused and things of that nature,
00:45:17
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whatever's appropriate for the thing you're SharePlaying,
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but you don't have to have a FaceTime call going,
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so I'm excited for that.
00:45:23
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- Yeah, and the shared with you API is gonna be,
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I think, another thing that, you know,
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I'm gonna have to add that for sure in my app, you know.
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Like, I heard that, I'm like, oh, thank God,
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'cause when they announced share with you last year,
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where it just worked with, like, Apple News,
00:45:37
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Apple Podcast, stuff like that, I was like,
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man, I wish I could do that.
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Now they called my bluff, they added the APIs,
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and now I have to do it.
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So that's adding more to my work this summer,
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but I think it's gonna be,
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that's gonna be a good one, I think.
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- Yeah, and then we got some updates on dictation.
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Most of this I personally wasn't that jazzed about.
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However, one of the things they said is that,
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well, first of all, it's all on device
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using the neural engine,
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but there's an all new on-device dictation experience,
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which, and I quote, "Fluidly moves between voice and touch."
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Now that is kind of cool
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because there's a lot of times
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where I'll be dictating something
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and I know that Siri will never understand
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a word I'm about to say or something like that.
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And so it would be nicer just to type it
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and then continue dictation.
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and apparently you're gonna be able to do exactly that.
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And the keyboard will stay open during dictation.
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You can dictate emoji, which I think will be
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more challenging than you would expect,
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because so often you're not gonna know
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the official Apple name for these things.
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But nevertheless, I am here for this.
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I think this sounds all pretty good.
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- And automatic punctuation, that's a good thing.
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- Yeah, that's the big one.
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- So you don't have to say,
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what do you need from the store, question mark?
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You can actually just try it,
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and hopefully that works pretty well.
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- Yeah, I mean, I hope it does a good job with it,
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because it's going to be tricky to figure out what kind
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of punctuation is required.
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But even just the basics, just ending a sentence
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when you pause or when it seems like it's
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the end of a sentence grammatically
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will go a long way.
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Because as the recipient of many messages that are dictated,
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I can tell you that most people do not use punctuation.
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They don't say period.
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They certainly don't say comma, and they almost never
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say question mark.
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And so it's just like this word salad
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that you have to figure out where the boundaries are.
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So this can almost certainly have to be an improvement.
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and like Casey said, the ability to fix it up on the fly.
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I mean, if people aren't speaking the punctuation,
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they're probably not gonna fix it up on the fly,
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but I appreciate the ability to fix it up on the fly.
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I hope it works well.
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The thing they demoed where someone like highlighted
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some text with their finger and then spoke to change it,
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I do wonder if the mode that the phone is in
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may get out of sync with the mode that your brain is in,
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whereas you're not aware that the phone
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is still listening to you and you say something
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as an aside to somebody and then it takes that text
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and shoves it in the thing that you just highlighted.
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We'll see how that goes.
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Indeed. They also talked about live text in video, so you can pause a video and then interact
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with the text on the frame, which I thought was kind of cool, and do quick actions like
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currency conversion or translation or whatever the case may be. Translate app will also now
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have a translate camera. What is it that Google bought, like word lens or something like that?
00:48:06
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I forget the name of the app, but it eventually got sucked into Google Translate. And so actually
00:48:11
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when Marco and Aaron and Tiff and me were all in Germany, we used this from time to
00:48:15
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in order to actually read a menu by having it translate,
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basically a photograph of the menu into English.
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And so I think that'll be cool.
00:48:23
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- Translate is loose.
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I mean, it was pretty rough.
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- Give you a rough idea.
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- We had some unexpected results from using that sometimes.
00:48:30
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- We did, but this was almost 10 years ago now.
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That was 2013, so I mean, this was a while ago.
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- I will say too, we kind of breezed right past
00:48:38
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the easier to use Siri app API.
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It's called the App Intents API,
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which is kind of a replacement for Siri kit.
00:48:47
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It's like an all new thing, Swift only,
00:48:49
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or primarily accessible through Swift at least.
00:48:52
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And it basically makes it much, much easier
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to add Siri and shortcut and intent support to your apps.
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Before we had this terrible intent definition thing,
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these intent extensions,
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and they were fairly clunky to work with.
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And they've now augmented that API.
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It looks like this is the long-term replacement,
00:49:12
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but it's not fully replacing it yet.
00:49:14
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So the new App Intents API looks very, very good.
00:49:16
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I'm very much looking forward to seeing if I can use that
00:49:19
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and get rid of some of my massive amount of
00:49:22
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boilerplate generated intent code and stuff.
00:49:25
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And so yeah, that looks pretty good.
00:49:27
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- Yep, and then they also demoed in this section
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a visual lookup, and they talked about,
00:49:33
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they called it like lifting an object,
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but basically what you can do is,
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let's say you have a picture of Hopps or Daisy or Penny,
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and if you want, you can touch and hold on their body
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on the picture, and it will intelligently lift
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just them out of the picture.
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So it's like a very close crop of just their body
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out of the picture, and then you can drag and drop it
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into messages or something like that,
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which if that works at all, is super freaking cool.
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I don't know when I would use it,
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but the fact that you could do it is super cool.
00:50:06
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- Yeah, this is the kind of thing,
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I'm sure in practice there's gonna be a lot of situations
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where it cuts off your dog's leg
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or accidentally includes a tree from the background
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'cause it was blurred in just the right way
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and you happen to have a green dog or something.
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Anyway, I'm sure it's gonna be very context dependent
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on how well it works,
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but even if it works decently some of the time,
00:50:27
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that's still a really cool feature,
00:50:28
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so I'm looking forward to that.
00:50:31
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We're trying to move kind of quickly now.
00:50:32
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They talked about Wallet,
00:50:34
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which one of the cool things about that
00:50:35
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that is that if you have your ID,
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your driver's license in the Wallet,
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you can have an app ask,
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"Hey, is this person over 21?"
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and you don't have to say,
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"Well, my birthday is such and such."
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Actually, Marco's birthday is coming up
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between our next recording, so happy 40th.
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That reminds me. - Thank you.
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- But anyways, it will share,
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oh, yes, this user is over 21.
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That's all you need to know.
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And they're also talking about keys,
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and they're working with IETF to make that a whole
00:51:00
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sharing protocol, which is cool.
00:51:02
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They talked about Apple Pay and Pay Later,
00:51:04
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which had been rumored as well,
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where you can split the cost of purchases
00:51:07
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into four equal payments, spread over six weeks
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with no interest, no fees, et cetera.
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And that is transparent to the vendor.
00:51:12
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It's just you're using Apple Pay as far as they're concerned
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and unbeknownst to them, you're kind of setting up
00:51:16
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a loan with Apple.
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Makes me feel a little weird.
00:51:19
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I'm not sure why Apple's into this,
00:51:21
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but I don't wanna belabor the point right now.
00:51:23
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- So do they make money on that by like,
00:51:24
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if you miss a payment, then you charge interest
00:51:27
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like a credit card, is that how that works?
00:51:28
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- I guess that, but the more I look at it,
00:51:30
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I'm wondering maybe if it's just a ploy
00:51:31
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to get people to use Apple Pay more often,
00:51:34
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and they just want, essentially it's a way
00:51:36
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to increase usage of their payment system,
00:51:37
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which they do collect fees for,
00:51:39
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but not actually a way to like collect interest,
00:51:42
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but it seems weird that if they're spreading the payments,
00:51:45
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what happens if somebody doesn't pay?
00:51:47
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Do they send them to collections?
00:51:48
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Is there no interest ever?
00:51:49
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I didn't get a chance to look into it.
00:51:51
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- Yeah, I assume it's like a credit card
00:51:52
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where you get dinged a big fee if you don't pay on time,
00:51:55
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but I don't know.
00:51:56
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Apple moving into somewhat usurious possibility,
00:52:00
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financial services, like, ugh.
00:52:03
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This stuff, I'm sure they're very happy about it.
00:52:06
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This stuff is just all gross to me.
00:52:08
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I wish they didn't have to move into this business.
00:52:09
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- But they're not doing it.
00:52:10
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Like they outsourced it to Goldman Sachs last time.
00:52:12
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It's like Apple doesn't want to be in the business
00:52:14
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of being a credit card company.
00:52:15
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They just want to control the UX
00:52:17
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to another credit card company.
00:52:18
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It's kind of like Apple didn't become a carrier,
00:52:20
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but sort of bent the carriers to its will
00:52:21
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to the extent that Apple took control
00:52:23
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over the parts of the experience
00:52:24
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that it thought was important.
00:52:26
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But in the end, we still had to pay a Verizon bill
00:52:28
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or pay an AT&T bill.
00:52:29
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And Apple did not make the experience
00:52:31
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of dealing with Verizon or AT&T any better
00:52:33
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in terms of like paying the bill
00:52:34
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or dealing with coverage or rates and stuff like that.
00:52:37
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And same thing with Apple Pay,
00:52:38
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like the, or not Apple Pay, the Apple card, right?
00:52:40
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It's a Goldman Sachs MasterCard in the end,
00:52:42
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and you're dealing with them,
00:52:43
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and they're the ones who are increasing your credit limit
00:52:46
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and dealing with billing issues and all that stuff,
00:52:48
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but Apple just puts this layer over the top of it.
00:52:50
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So this pay later thing,
00:52:52
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if it's Apple putting a layer over the top,
00:52:54
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I bet there's no interest or anything,
00:52:56
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it's just a way to get more people to use Apple Pay.
00:52:58
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But if instead it is a financial instrument
00:53:00
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from Goldman Sachs, you can bet your butt
00:53:01
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that if you miss one of those payments,
00:53:02
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it's time for a big interest.
00:53:04
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- Well, and I'm sure Apple gets a cut of that kind of thing.
00:53:07
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The reason Apple does this kind of stuff
00:53:09
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is partly because they want to have a good experience
00:53:11
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of you paying for stuff.
00:53:12
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It's also services revenue.
00:53:15
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- But I think Goldman Sachs is collecting the revenue.
00:53:17
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It's like there's the fee for using the credit card
00:53:20
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that the merchant pays, and Apple surely gets part of that.
00:53:22
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- Yes, they do.
00:53:23
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- But I'm not sure about interest payments.
00:53:25
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I don't know.
00:53:27
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The bottom line is we all have credit cards,
00:53:29
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and this is a thing that exists,
00:53:30
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and Apple trying to make a better one,
00:53:31
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I think, is a reasonable thing to do.
00:53:33
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Well, probably a follow-up in the coming weeks to see,
00:53:37
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Is this just a ploy for Apple to get more people
00:53:39
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to use Apple Pay and there's no interest involved?
00:53:40
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Or is this just yet another system where you can pay later
00:53:43
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but if you don't pay, you get interest?
00:53:45
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- I mean, there are some businesses,
00:53:46
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I mean, should Apple launch their own line of gas stations?
00:53:49
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I mean, like, people, we all pay that sometimes.
00:53:51
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- Charging stations, maybe.
00:53:52
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- Yeah, right, that'd be better.
00:53:53
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But you know, it's like, do you want them to be
00:53:54
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in the business of like, fossil fuels?
00:53:56
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'Cause I mean, that's a gross thing that makes money.
00:53:58
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- Well, it's like, it's looking for an area,
00:54:00
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like, I mean, payments and the phone make sense
00:54:02
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as an area that, you know, mapping in the phone makes sense.
00:54:04
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Certain things are fit for Apple's devices
00:54:06
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and trying to have, you know, and having a wallet
00:54:08
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on the phone makes sense, having a card.
00:54:10
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This all makes some sense to me, but I don't actually know,
00:54:14
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►
we'll find out later, whether this is also a way
00:54:16
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for Apple to make money for interest payments.
00:54:18
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- Yeah, it's, anyway, I'm sure it's a great experience.
00:54:21
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►
It's also kind of gross, and I wish they wouldn't do
00:54:23
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►
this stuff, but I understand why they do.
00:54:25
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- And they also have order tracking and wallet,
00:54:27
◼
►
starting with Shopify-related things, which, I mean,
00:54:30
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that seems a little bit of a weird place for it,
00:54:32
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►
but I can't think of a better place for it, so.
00:54:35
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I mean, we'll see.
00:54:36
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I'm a big time-- what is it called-- parcel user,
00:54:39
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which I really like.
00:54:40
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►
And so we'll see if this is better or different or worse.
00:54:43
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I was confused by that part because Shopify will track
00:54:47
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anything you bought anywhere.
00:54:48
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►
It's very aggressive about finding out
00:54:50
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►
where you've purchased anything and telling you
00:54:52
◼
►
about how the shipments are coming and stuff like that.
00:54:54
◼
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But when I saw the Apple thing, I was like, oh, they're
00:54:56
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just going to tell me about shipments
00:54:57
◼
►
that I use my Apple card for?
00:54:58
◼
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Well, I never use my Apple card except for when I buy Apple
00:55:00
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►
stuff, so who cares, right?
00:55:01
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But then they said there was a Shopify integration thing.
00:55:04
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So I don't know, I'm gonna see how this is in practice.
00:55:08
◼
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Is this just gonna double the amount of alerts
00:55:09
◼
►
and I'm gonna have Apple alerts about my shipments
00:55:12
◼
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and also the shop apps alerts for those very same shipments
00:55:15
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and I have to pick one of them?
00:55:16
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I'm a little bit confused by the extent of this feature.
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- Family sharing.
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Jon, you wanna talk about this?
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- We're not getting to the big feature yet,
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but this is just some small stuff
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of like making it easier to set up a phone for a kid
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by using another device that's nearby
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and a little bit more flexible settings
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for requesting approval for things.
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So you don't have to, this is,
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as someone who's used screen times on my kids' phones,
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if you miss the notification, which happens sometimes
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'cause you're in the middle of doing something else,
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little notification comes down and says,
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so and so wants extra 15 minutes of screen time, right?
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If you don't catch that notification,
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you have to go into settings, like they say
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in when they describe this feature,
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go into settings, go into screen time,
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go into the person's thing, and then scroll down
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and find the thing and then prove it.
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Now first of all, it took me a long time to figure that out.
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'Cause it's not obvious.
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You see the notification and you're like,
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oh I missed it, right, or it went away
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'cause I have it set to go down
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and then if two seconds it goes away
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or I tried to tap it, it didn't hit or whatever,
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I would just yell through the house,
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I'd send it again 'cause eventually I figured out
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where it was in settings,
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but sometimes it's easier to have them send it again anyway
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'cause you got to dig in.
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- This is every day in our house.
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- Dig into settings to find the thing or whatever.
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So now you can approve in messages,
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which makes much more sense because messages are persistent.
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So I'm not sure how this is gonna work in practice,
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but it's gotta be improvement over the existing system.
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- And then, so we have easier to manage accounts for kids.
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You can set age appropriate content limitations,
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and there's a quick start setup.
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So let's say you have a new iPad.
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You can bring your own iPhone next to the iPad,
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and it'll say, okay, I see that there's your family
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on your iPhone, who is this device for?
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Is it for you, for your spouse, for your kid, et cetera?
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And that's pretty cool.
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And then they also mentioned something
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about a family checklist where they'll update,
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or they'll make suggestions as to how to update
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these settings as the kids get older.
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All of that's pretty cool.
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But Jon, tell me the next thing that they talked about,
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because I can't believe that this is real,
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and apparently it's real.
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- And this also, by the way, got a very large applause.
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- I don't doubt it.
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- So I did the math.
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Hypercritical number nine, No Wildlife is an Island,
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was 4,105 days ago.
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11 years, two months, and 26 days.
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- That's amazing. - And that's just the first
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time I podcasted about it.
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This has been something that people have wanted
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from Apple for a long time.
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And we've talked about it in the show,
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and I know a lot of people are confused,
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but basically the idea is you have a family,
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and in the days before computers,
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a family would take photos of a wedding,
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of a vacation, of just around the house or whatever,
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and then you'd take those photos
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and you'd put them into photo albums.
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And dad would not have a separate set of photo albums
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and mom would not have a separate set of photo albums.
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They would be a family photo album.
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You would take the family's picture.
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It didn't matter who held the camera.
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If your sister held the camera and took a picture
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and it was a cool picture,
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that picture would go into the family photo album.
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If dad took a picture, mom, it doesn't matter who took it,
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it would go into the family photo album
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and didn't make sense to have separate shelves
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of dad's photo albums, mom's photo albums
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and each individual kid's photo.
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You know, maybe kids have their own photo albums
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with their friends, but still.
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The idea that you'd want to have some kind of sharing
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of photos within a family,
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it's well established before computers.
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Then computers came along and, okay, the first round,
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we're just gonna have a bunch of pictures,
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but eventually you would think they would get around
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to adding a feature like this.
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And by the time I was complaining about it in 2011,
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I thought we're well overdue.
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Like we've got this whole thing of, you know,
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photos on our computers, we kind of got it down.
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Pat, iPhoto's been out for years.
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We should have some kind of family photo library.
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And now finally, after years and years,
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complaining about this.
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Apple has taken a swing at this feature,
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a feature that has been added by many other people in the past,
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specifically Google, I think we've
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talked about on the show, acknowledging the fact
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that families exist.
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And sometimes people want to have
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photos in a shared library.
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And that is distinct from sharing photos in an album
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or anything like that.
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A shared library is just what it sounds like.
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It's a photo library that works the same as any
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of your individual photo libraries work now.
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If you open your photo library on your Mac,
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on your phone, on your iPad, everything
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you can do to that photo library,
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organizing it, editing it, recognizing faces,
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labeling people, cropping photos,
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adding locations, tags, keywords,
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everything you can do to a photo library,
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a family photo library, is that a photo library?
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Shared by a family, and that appears to be
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what the heaven was about it.
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And it's complicated because you don't want every photo
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to go into the shared library,
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but you don't wanna have to manually pick
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every single photo you want to go into the shared library,
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so there has to be some kind of smart way to do it,
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Like, well, okay, photos, when I'm in vacation mode,
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the photos should go into there,
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or if I'm in the same location as someone else,
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they have all sorts of smarts trying to handle this.
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But the bottom line is the most important feature is
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if they got this part right,
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there should be a shared photo library
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and people should be able to take photos
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from their private libraries
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and put them into the shared libraries and vice versa.
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And yes, there can be automated ways to do that,
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but the basic functionality that has to work is that.
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Shared library has to exist,
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It has to not corrupt itself or accidentally delete things.
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It has to not get super confused.
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It has to not spew duplicates everywhere.
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Like all that stuff, that's gotta work.
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And you have to manually be able to add and remove things.
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And then everything after that is gravy.
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'Cause that's the question of like,
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oh, I don't wanna use the automated features.
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Do I wanna have this thing and try to be smart
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and put, you know, the photos in there
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when it realizes we're all on vacation together
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in the same location?
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Or do I just wanna do it all manually?
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I haven't had a chance to look at this.
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It's obviously I haven't even installed
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any of the babies yet or whatever.
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But from everything I saw,
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it seems like they have implemented
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the straightforward thing.
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It is not some new, weird, obscure feature.
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It is just your photo library, but a shared one.
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And it seems like they're being very flexible
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about how things get into and come out of it.
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So, as I was saying to someone, I have like, you know,
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145,000 photos riding on this feature, right?
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Because I want, for my personal usage,
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I want almost all of my and my wife's photos
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to be in a shared library.
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right now, she's the one who owns the real photo library
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and I have this miniature photo library
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and I do this manually merging of stuff.
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I want to eventually take our big family photo library
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that my wife currently owns and make it the shared one.
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But I'm gonna do that in steps.
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So further updates for sure, probably in the fall,
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because I don't really think I'm gonna do this
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with the beta, but if everything looks okay in the fall
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and everyone upgrades their OSs,
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I'm gonna start the process of moving at least
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145,000 photos into the shared library and then have the individual libraries be just the photos that
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individually so when I take pictures of like random stuff that I'm taking pictures of for like a podcast or you know other things like
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That those on those currently stay on my phone and those won't go into the shared photo library
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But almost everything else will so I am really looking forward to this it is long overdue
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But I'm glad they got it done and honestly I just want it to work and not destroy my photo library
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Oh, and also be full fidelity not the photo just photos themselves because people are asking about that
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Is it gonna be the full fidelity? It's got to be it's a photo library
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but when I say full fidelity
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The literal decades of work that I have put into organizing my photo library all the tags all the faces all the locations
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All the edits all the crops that's got to be preserved 100% I'm hoping things like what about all my book projects
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What about all my like albums? What about all my slideshows? I hope I really hope all of that
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transfers intact to the shared library.
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If it doesn't, I'm gonna be kinda sad
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because I make all these photo books and everything
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and I save the projects in what was iPhoto
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and now is Photos.
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Because what if I wanna ever get one of those books
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reprinted, right?
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That's the whole point of digital stuff.
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If I have it all saved, I have the original photos,
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I have the book, I have the layout,
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as long as that is supported,
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I should be able to print that book again
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if a book gets damaged or lost or something happens to it
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or whatever, but if I can't transfer those books
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into the shared library, if only the photos go there,
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but now the books are stranded in the original library,
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but the photos that were in the book are gone,
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that's gonna make me sad.
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If keywords don't go over, if any of the edits don't go over,
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like if things get corrupted when they go over,
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if I lose the raw versions, if I lose HDR,
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like I really hope this is what it seems like,
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which is full fidelity, all metadata,
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being able to transfer between any individual library
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and a shared library.
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So fingers crossed, but I'm super happy
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that they've finally done it.
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And to be fair, they did specifically call out
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that edits, deletions, captions, and keywords
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would all be synced, that that would all be part of this.
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- I know, but when they give that list,
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they're like, "Well, but what about book projects?"
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- Right, yeah. (laughs)
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- What about albums, what about slide shows,
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like, all the things they didn't list, so we'll see.
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- Yeah, the thing with iCloud shared photo library,
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in principle, I am super stoked for this,
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because Aaron, the way things have worked out
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in our family is very similar to what you're talking about,
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on in that I have the source of record photo library, and Erin, I just make sure that she
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has the last month or so of photos, which normally is all she would ever refer to, but
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it stinks for her if she wants to go back in time to a while ago.
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She has to come find me and tell me, "Oh, can you find me a picture of such and such,
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around such and such a time, blah, blah, blah."
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It would be so much better for her if she could just go back in time.
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The thing with iCloud shared photo library that worries me is I'm really, really scared
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that there's going to be some very, very odd limitations to it.
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I don't know what those would be specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if there's no
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way to get a bunch of old photos in there, or like you said, your albums and things don't
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come across the way you want them to.
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Also, I was sort of talking to a friend of mine earlier, and he was saying that he's
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really excited to have his niece and pictures of her in a shared photo library with his
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parents, the niece's grandparents, and the niece's actual parents. But I don't think
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that's what this is for. This is, I think, only within a family sharing unit, which isn't
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necessarily what everyone would want. It's fine for me.
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And it said up to five people, too. So if you have four kids and two parents, you're
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out of luck.
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Well, that's the thing. I'm not sure you want to share this with the kids. One of the things
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they mentioned was that everyone can edit and have full access.
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And I don't want my kids to have full edit access
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to the photo library.
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They'll just go through it and delete all the pictures
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of themselves that they don't like.
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And that's not-- it's like tough luck, right?
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It's really-- it depends on-- everyone
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can define their family how they want it.
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And the five person limitation-- there's
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limitations on the size of the Apple family thing
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anyway, which is itself a problem,
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because it's like they should be a little bit more flexible
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than they are, but maybe they're server side limitations
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or whatever.
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But for my personal use, it's probably
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just going to be shared between my wife and I.
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That's enough for us to, because we're the organizers of the libraries anyway, and the
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kids have their own photos, but it's all just like them and their friends and pictures of
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the dog and other stuff like that, that are their own private photos anyway.
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Occasionally there is some sharing.
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I will chuck down photos.
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If I could, I would like to give my kids read-only access to the family library, because they
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So they ask me for pictures from this event,
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or do you have pictures of me when I was in fifth grade,
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or whatever, I have to go find it and airdrop it to them.
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Whereas if I could just give them read-only access
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to the family photo library, that would be great,
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but I don't want to give them full ad access
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just to avoid any accidental
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or on-purpose destructive operations.
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- Yeah, it's almost as though you need
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a read-only photo gallery.
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Just don't leave that there.
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That's not good.
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- Can you make a peak of you support 145,000 photos
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in a shared library?
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Get on that.
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Hypothetically, Peek-a-view supports whatever library you throw at it, but I take your point,
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and no thank you.
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Next was privacy, and they talked a lot about safety check.
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I don't feel qualified to talk about this, but I will say that I am pleased that this
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I'm pleased that they spent time talking about it, especially since Apple to me has a somewhat
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Disney kind of aura about them, where they really don't like talking about anything negative
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or anything that's not going to make you smile,
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and this is not a happy thing, but they've spent time on it.
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I'm happy for it.
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And so what this allows you to do is it's tools to get --
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to help you get away from abusive relationship,
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especially, like, emergency reset,
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which stops sharing your location.
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It resets your privacy permissions.
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It signs you out of iCloud on every device
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except the one that's in your hand,
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and messages in FaceTime are only left
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on the device that's in your hand.
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So one of the things they explicitly said,
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which is true in my family -- I don't know if it is in y'all's,
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But you know Erin knows my password. I know her password for like her phone and things of that nature
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So I would always I always always always ask her before I can use her before I grab her phone and use it
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She does the same for me
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but if if our relationship was different like there's nothing stopping me from opening up her phone and doing whatever I want to it and
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This is very very cool that they seem to have from what I can tell
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they seem to have really thought this out and they certainly they
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enumerated a list of organizations that they've been working on this with. I think this is
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super cool and I hope that no one ever needs it, but I suspect many people will need it.
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Yeah, this is the kind of thing, I was so happy to see this because, you know, I think
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we're lucky if we have never had to deal with anything like this or known anybody who had
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to deal with anything like this, but this is a real problem that, you know, if you think
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about if you're in an abusive relationship and you have to get out quickly, which is
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is usually how that has to happen.
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There are so many ways in our digital lives
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where an abuser who was your partner before
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could have access to your digital accounts in some way,
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have access to your iCloud account,
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have you in the family group,
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have you be the one who purchased
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all your iTunes goods or whatever,
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so you're in their credit card system,
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you are sharing location with them.
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That's a huge one, obviously, for obvious reasons,
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like location sharing, location access,
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being able to track where you might have gone
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or what you might be doing with access to your Apple ID
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and other forms.
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Like seeing any messages that are sent to you,
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that's obviously a big security risk
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in this kind of situation.
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So the fact that Apple even thought about this
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as a problem and tackled it in what appears to be
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a pretty good comprehensive way, that's fantastic to see.
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And it's exactly the kind of thing that like,
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I couldn't imagine any other tech company
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doing this before Apple did.
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And now, to have this be something that Apple can offer
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in a really horrible time in people's lives,
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that they need dramatic amounts of help,
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and the risks are very high if anything goes wrong
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in this kind of situation.
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And so to have this be a tool at their disposal is great.
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So kind of like shared photo libraries,
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this is also an issue that people have been talking about
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for a decade or more.
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I'll put a link to the show on a tweet from Jackie Chang
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where she talks about an article that she wrote 10 years ago
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and also a talk that she gave on this very topic.
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And it was relevant then
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and it continues to be relevant now.
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And she was kind of like her follow-up tweet,
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"On the one hand, progress is slow.
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"On the other hand, at least Apple's making
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"some really impactful updates."
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Probably because they themselves have had to help victims
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do all of these things, right?
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This has been a thing that's been going on forever.
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And if you're in this situation, you have Apple devices,
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I can imagine contacting Apple and trying to go through the support and be like, "Here's
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my situation.
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Can you help me?
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Can you do this?
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Can you do that?"
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And I'm sure they want to be helpful, but it's the type of thing that, without this
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feature built into the OS, it's very difficult to do piecemeal or to expect people to have
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the wherewithal to sit on hold or to have the person on the other end of the phone understand
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what they're doing.
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So this is another long overdue change, and it's good to see motion in the right direction,
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but this has been a problem for as long as we've had smartphones.
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talked about the home app and they made mention of Matter which is the new
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technology that that Apple has had a hand in developing that's supposed to be
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the one true smart home technology. In principle, and I don't know a lot about
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this and I'm gonna be watching my friend Eric Wielander's channel to see what he
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has to say about all this because he does a lot of smart home stuff over on
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YouTube. I'll put a link in the show notes. But apparently Matter is based
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on HomeKit, which is news to me and deeply frightening
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'cause HomeKit does not work that well.
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So I don't know, maybe I misheard them,
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maybe I misunderstood, but I'm a little bit worried
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about that. - Nope, you didn't miss here.
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They actually said, "We contributed HomeKit
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"as the foundation of this new standard."
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Now, that being said, I've had mixed experience
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with HomeKit stuff.
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The actual straight up HomeKit devices
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that are made for HomeKit and everything,
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like Secure Video and everything,
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and the Lutron/Caseta integration,
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like all that stuff has actually been
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pretty rock solid for me.
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Where you start getting into trouble with HomeKit
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is when you have all these like,
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you know, weird bridges or updates to things
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that were never designed for it,
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and you know, you start adding complexity,
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like, oh, you're running a Raspberry Pi somewhere
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with a HomeKit bridge through these other devices
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that never supported it, like,
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that's the kind of stuff that tends
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to get people into trouble.
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But the actual core HomeKit features,
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for me, have actually been pretty reliable.
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I think it's more about the protocol and the requirements of devices to be...
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Back in the early days of HomeKit it was like, "Oh, it's too annoying to support HomeKit
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because we have to be so secure and closed off and do a bunch of stuff that requires
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expensive chips and it's much easier to use these cheaper standards."
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And HomeKit had a lot of barrier to entry.
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So I'm hoping when they say HomeKit is the foundation they just mean the sort of underlying
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security requirements and stuff, which at this point should be the bar for anybody doing
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any smart home stuff.
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But in the early days it's a little bit more of just like Wild West, do whatever you want,
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make it work.
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Yeah, Matter, we've talked about this in past shows.
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Sounds great.
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- So the next section of the keynote,
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I get this feeling like this is one of those sections
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that sitting here today, we're like,
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wow, that's kind of weird and interesting,
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but maybe in a few years,
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this might be a really, really, really, really big deal.
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And believe it or not, that section is CarPlay of all things.
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- Yeah, who had that on their bingo card?
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So they're saying that,
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or the big piece I took away from this
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is that CarPlay is in the future,
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And I think they said there the announcements won't even come until late next year of whatever models will support this but
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CarPlay will take over
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Everything I'm talking about your instrument cluster your main like infotainment display
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everything speedometer tachometer
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Gear change like all of that will be displayed in a car place
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Powered display or series of displays they want to take over
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everything I think they an exact quote powers the entire mint instrument cluster like that is
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Wild and I mean I'm here for it if it actually works and carplay for the most part has been pretty good for me
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it hasn't been flawless, but it's been pretty good and I really like the idea of having a
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software company
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Actually be in charge of doing the software for my car yet at the same time
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I am not at all keen on a software company having all of the
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being in charge of some of the critical pieces of the software for my car because I almost want that to be done by someone
01:18:18
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Who is much more familiar with like a real-time system and so on and so forth
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But one way or another I am very intrigued by this and I'm very curious to see
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Where this goes and some guy I follow on Twitter. I think his name is John Syracuse
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I had a very funny quip about this and I believe that that person said is this the first time that
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Apple shipped anything from Project Titan,
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and it sure seems like it might be.
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- I mean, I'm not as enthused about this.
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You would imagine an Apple car would look like this.
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If Apple had a car, and they had the inside of it,
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it would have stuff like this in it.
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- Well, and I think this raises the interesting question
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of if they can actually get anybody to do this,
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do they really need to make their own car?
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Isn't this 80% of the value of them making a car?
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- Maybe, but here's the thing.
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You just talked about how the problem with HomeKit
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was when you have a bridging thing to some other device
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it was never made to support HomeKit.
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These cars have to work without a phone in them.
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So they have to have their own interface.
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And that's been true of cars with screens.
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It's like, oh, they've got their own thing.
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But when you do CarPlay,
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CarPlay overlays one of the screens with its own thing.
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And then maybe there's like around the bottom and sides,
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you see the rest of your interface,
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but there's a section, it's like Flash on the webpage.
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There's a rectangle on this dashboard
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that is owned by Apple now.
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And they put their crap there,
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but the rest of the stuff is there.
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But the car has to--
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- Well, that's not, it depends.
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So like on my car, on the Volkswagen,
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this screen is 100% taken over by CarPlay.
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There are still physical buttons around it
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because my car is old enough
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that buttons still existed when it was built,
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but there are physical buttons around it.
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But the entire screen area gets taken over by CarPlay.
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This is in contrast to Aaron's Volvo,
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which is exactly what you described,
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where the top half or maybe even two thirds
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is the Volvo stock UI,
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and then they put the bottom third to one half
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is completely taken over by CarPlay.
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- Right, but still it's like that thing that it took over,
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you need to be able to drive the car without an iPhone.
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So there has to be a user interface to operate the car,
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all features of the car there.
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And if you're gonna take this Apple thing and say,
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like the thing that they showed,
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we're going to overlay not just your main screen,
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but also your instrument cluster.
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And like, you know, sometimes when you still have
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either physical or the other non-carplay controls,
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that's for things like HVAC and the lights and the wipers,
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like, oh, by the way, we wanna do that as well.
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So it would be silly for you to keep those things visible from your interface because they're gonna be in our interface
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So basically, why don't you let us cut wallpaper over your entire interface?
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so that's I feel like that's not great because
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You know, I what is the interface to my car does every car have to come with two interfaces and Apple all pays over the
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entire thing the second thing is I
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Am a strong proponent of not having every single feature of the car be on a touchscreen
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But Apple can't put physical controls in my car.
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All they can do is display things on a screen
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with CarPlay, right?
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And so they're never going to be able to make an interface
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that works well with my car
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in like sort of built in cooperation
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with the people making the car.
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We just talked about it last time.
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Having physical controls in sync with the on-screen controls
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not having the same button in two different places.
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Deciding which things should be physical,
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which things should be on-screen,
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which things should be hybrid.
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That's the job of designing the interface to a car.
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And I think the correct way to do that is not,
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there are no more physical buttons
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and everything is on touch screens,
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but that's the only thing Apple can do
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because they can only put images on a screen
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unless they make their own car
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or unless they work hand in hand with the car maker, right?
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And then finally, I would say that Apple's forte
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over the past decade or so of user interface
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has not been in making interfaces
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that are good at conveying lots of information
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and are easy to see.
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Like I'm just picturing,
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I mean, they show lots of pictures of it, and it looked okay,
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but when I think Apple interface, I think small,
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low contrast text that I can't read,
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minimalism that hides information that I wanna see,
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and mystery meat that I have to mouse over.
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- A lot of rectangles all look the same
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with a lot of text you have to read.
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- Yeah, right, and the one thing Apple has going for them
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is the car makers themselves are also not great at this,
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but they're getting better in fits and starts,
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so I am not jazzed about this.
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I'm jazzed about the idea of having essentially iOS apps
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on my car screen, so I can put up Waze,
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like CarPlay as it sort of exists slightly expanded,
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I do not want Apple trying to paint over
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a button-based UI for my entire car inside my car
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over the top of the interface for my car
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that has to be there so I can drive over that on my phone.
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- So I sort of agree with you,
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but I think the problem is that you and me
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are holding on to this desire and hope
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that the future is not 100% touch screens,
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but it seems pretty clear to me
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that the future is 100% touch screens.
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- No, it's not.
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I mean, you see car makers bringing back physical controls.
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They're bouncing back, aside from Tesla or whatever.
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It's the reason, like when Ford came out,
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they put, I mean, Ford's doing it in a ham-fisted way,
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but they put a big physical dial
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in the middle of their screen,
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as sort of a statement of saying,
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"We believe that there is still a place
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"for physical controls."
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Again, do we wanna steer with the touchscreen?
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Everything is not going to the touchscreen.
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Should the pedals be touchscreen,
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and you have to take off your socks
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and use your toes on them?
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Like, physical controls,
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as long as we are physical beings,
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physical controls must exist.
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and a touchscreen is itself a physical control,
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is just one that has specific use cases
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for which it is the best choice.
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And many of the things you need to do in the car,
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touchscreen is not the best choice.
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They will always be some kind of hybrid,
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until we're not driving them at all,
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there will always be some hybrid
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of physical and touch controls.
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And if all Apple is doing is putting things on screens,
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they can't participate in that synergy as well
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as I think they should be able to.
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They made their own car,
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presumably they would work all this out.
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Or if they work closely with the maker
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of a specific car, presumably they would work this out,
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but if they just say, oh, get into any one of your cars
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and we'll take over every single visible screen
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with an interface that has no awareness of what car it's in,
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I give that a big thumbs down.
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- Well, I mean, to be fair, I think there's a couple
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of things that might tame this a little bit.
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So number one, most cars that have screens,
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even the ones that are having multiple screens,
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not even the ones that are replacing their gauge cluster
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with a screen, they usually still also have physical
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controls, and so there's nothing precluding this
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from being touch screen available from certain controls,
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but also having some knobs somewhere
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that you can use to adjust it.
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That's what my Model S has that,
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where there are certain controls that you can access
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through physical knobs and stuff, or on the touch screen.
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- That's where you get into the conflict thing
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we talked about in the last show.
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Every screen you show on the touch screen
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invites an opportunity for conflict
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and forces the physical design to be stateless
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in a way that isn't appropriate.
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All you're doing is trying to work around the back
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and say, "Oh, I know this control
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"is gonna be up on the Apple thing,
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And so we'll get out of sync if I don't make this
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a recentering stateless switch.
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- Well, fair enough, but still having physical controls,
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even stateless ones, is still pretty great.
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But anyway, I think what's ultimately going to avoid
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the future that you are fearing here is
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I just don't see a lot of car makers being willing
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to admit to themselves our UI design sucks so badly
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that we wanna outsource the entire control of this to Apple.
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- But they can unless they require you
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to have a phone on you to drive.
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- Well right, but they would still have it.
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But I can't imagine that many car makers
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actually making the kind of car Apple wants them to make
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where they really do let Apple take over
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every single screen completely.
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That to me is very optimistic thinking.
01:25:40
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So the way I look at this is much more like a concept car.
01:25:44
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Like this is Apple's concept car.
01:25:47
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This is a great thing in theory
01:25:49
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that could be really cool if it ever comes out.
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I'd be shocked if not only does it come out at all,
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but that it's anything like what they have proposed here
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in practice.
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So I think what you're relying on is car makers
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who do suck at UI design.
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I mean, but let's be honest, they're terrible at it,
01:26:06
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and Apple is better at it than them usually.
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But that car makers would be so self-reflective enough
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to recognize how much they suck at it
01:26:16
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and to be willing to give up control over the identity
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of their cars and the user experience of how they look,
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100% to Apple, I think it's not really gonna happen.
01:26:27
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- Yeah, and to be clear, I think it is a good idea
01:26:29
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for Apple to be able to not just display on the screen
01:26:33
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that they display on now, but to also be able to take over
01:26:35
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the instrument cluster, and Marco, you said like cars
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that are moving to screens and instrument clusters,
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that is all of them.
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You know, it doesn't mean they're gonna have touch screens
01:26:42
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for everything, but all instrument clusters
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are moving to screens, because that's a good use of screens.
01:26:46
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You're not gonna touch it anyway, but you wanna be able
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that have different gauges and sometimes you wanna see
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the map there, right?
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- And to be fair, most car makers are terrible
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at designing those things, they are awful.
01:26:55
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- I mean, it depends.
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Some of them are getting better.
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I feel like where a lot of car makers fall down
01:27:01
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is in the rest of the stuff, like in just the boring things
01:27:03
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about adjusting your seats and their desire to have weird,
01:27:06
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80s or I don't know, 2001 Web 2.0 swoopy gradients
01:27:11
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and stuff, it's like, what are you doing, right?
01:27:12
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So Apple probably would do better than them there.
01:27:14
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But that's small potatoes, that's not the really important
01:27:17
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But then on top of all that is all the specific things
01:27:19
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that every particular car does.
01:27:21
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Lots of cars have very specific features and stuff
01:27:23
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and Apple's not messing with the drive train
01:27:24
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or controlling the ABS or anything like that.
01:27:26
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And those features need to be exposed in some way
01:27:29
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and Apple can't really be aware of them.
01:27:30
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And even if a car company did want to work with Apple
01:27:32
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that closely, I don't think they would.
01:27:34
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It's just too much work to expose every individual feature
01:27:36
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of every individual car through this Apple interface.
01:27:38
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And by the way, we still have to make our own interface
01:27:40
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because people need to be able to drive without an iPhone.
01:27:42
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So I don't know, we'll see what comes of this.
01:27:44
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Like it was so far out in the future,
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end of 2023 models might have something like this,
01:27:50
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but I don't, if they do this,
01:27:54
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the first card that does this,
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it's going to be a lot like the Tesla model
01:27:58
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where it's like, if you like everything to be all on screens
01:28:01
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and you want those screens to all be controlled by Apple,
01:28:03
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there's one card that does it,
01:28:04
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but that's probably not gonna be the deciding factor
01:28:06
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in you buying it because there's so much more to a car
01:28:08
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than what shows up on the screens.
01:28:11
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- It's interesting though.
01:28:12
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I can see it going any number of ways
01:28:14
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and so time will tell.
01:28:16
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All right, Fitness Plus no longer requires,
01:28:19
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or the Fitness app, excuse me,
01:28:21
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no longer requires an Apple Watch,
01:28:22
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which is exciting for a certain John Sirquusa.
01:28:25
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- Yeah, that was a good turnaround time.
01:28:26
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One episode and they fixed it for me.
01:28:28
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Heard the episode and it was shoved into the,
01:28:29
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I do wonder why they did that though.
01:28:31
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I guess it's just total coincidence.
01:28:32
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I had no foreknowledge of this or whatever
01:28:34
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and I just happened to be annoyed by this feature
01:28:36
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that has existed forever and then they fixed it,
01:28:37
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but you know, it makes sense.
01:28:39
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I wanna see how that's implemented.
01:28:42
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does that mean when I upgrade to iOS 16/iPod OS 16,
01:28:45
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I'll just have the fitness app?
01:28:47
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Because that's what all the help docs said.
01:28:48
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It's like, oh, it's already installed on your phone,
01:28:50
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or already installed on your iPad.
01:28:51
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I was like, no it isn't, I don't see it anywhere.
01:28:52
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So, we'll see how it goes, but thumbs up for that.
01:28:55
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- One thing, before we move on to watchOS stuff,
01:28:57
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I did wanna briefly cover one thing
01:28:58
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they very quickly mentioned for the iOS section,
01:29:02
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and it's actually part of all their OSes, I believe now,
01:29:05
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is something called Rapid Security Response.
01:29:07
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I wanna learn more about what this means,
01:29:10
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but it sounds kind of like some kind of faster
01:29:14
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and possibly more forceful or more automatic way
01:29:17
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to install security patches.
01:29:19
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So I don't know if this is something like an extension
01:29:20
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to XProtect where Apple can just silently disable
01:29:24
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a binary remotely on all their computers
01:29:26
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without issuing a software update,
01:29:27
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if some malware gets out of control.
01:29:30
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If it's something like that,
01:29:32
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or if it's something more like how,
01:29:33
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like on Android, one of the ways Google gets around
01:29:37
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too many problems with their horrendous software uptake
01:29:40
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rate is that they've moved a huge amount of Android's logic
01:29:47
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and libraries and stuff to this thing called Google Play
01:29:49
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Services, which they can update much more frequently and easily
01:29:52
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than the actual base Android operating system
01:29:55
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that things are running on.
01:29:56
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So I wonder if this is something kind of in that vein
01:29:58
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where maybe Apple is moving certain security
01:30:01
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processes into something they can kind of force
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update without an OS update actually occurring.
01:30:07
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Maybe something like that, I'm not sure.
01:30:09
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I do wanna hear more about this in the future
01:30:10
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as we learn more about it.
01:30:12
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- Indeed, all right, so watchOS 9,
01:30:14
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there's going to be a remastered astronomy face,
01:30:18
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and I could hear your scream of excitement from here, Marco.
01:30:21
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- When they said, here we are, we're expecting,
01:30:24
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hey, maybe this is the year custom watch faces,
01:30:26
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or maybe they'll just give us one giant complication
01:30:29
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so we can make our own kind of that way.
01:30:31
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And instead, Kevin just goes up there and he's like,
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We have four new faces.
01:30:34
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We have remastered the astronomy face,
01:30:36
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a new lunar face, playtime, which,
01:30:41
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and then metropolitan, where the font stretches out
01:30:47
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if you twist the crown, oh my god, like.
01:30:49
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- Why don't you like fun?
01:30:51
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- Right, come on, Mark.
01:30:53
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- The Apple Watch face situation is playtime.
01:30:55
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It's like, what are they doing?
01:30:57
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They're just playing around.
01:30:58
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- This is what the people want.
01:30:59
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They give the people what they want.
01:31:01
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- Is it really what the people want?
01:31:02
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- No, they really just want pictures of their kids.
01:31:04
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But either way, I feel like if you don't want
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to use these faces, don't use them.
01:31:06
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I mean, what are you getting at?
01:31:08
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Do they take away your solar face that you like?
01:31:10
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- I don't know, I don't think so.
01:31:13
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I don't think they ever take away faces.
01:31:15
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- If these are just added in addition to it, it's fine.
01:31:17
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- Yeah, but it's just like,
01:31:19
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is there anybody working full-time on Apple Watch faces?
01:31:22
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Like, do they have any full-time employees doing this?
01:31:24
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I honestly wonder. - Yeah, understore.
01:31:25
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- Sure, they just had a cool astronomy face
01:31:26
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where it goes and zoom in on the Earth
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and shows the clouds and everything.
01:31:30
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That's, you know, if that's what you want,
01:31:32
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there's a good implementation of that thing.
01:31:33
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- No, I mean frankly, I've almost given up,
01:31:35
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because like, you know, I do wear the watch much more now
01:31:39
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than I have in previous years.
01:31:40
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I wear it almost every day for most of the day now,
01:31:42
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and I just use, what the heck is this, Infograph?
01:31:45
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Infograph Modular is a face I use,
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and I just, I cover it with complications,
01:31:50
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one of which is my own in the big center spot,
01:31:53
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this custom thing I made for,
01:31:54
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that kind of approximates the solar face,
01:31:56
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and I just, I cover the whole thing,
01:31:57
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and it's like, okay, we're gonna make this
01:31:59
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an information display, not an attractive watch face
01:32:03
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because Apple is not capable of making attractive watch faces
01:32:06
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and they refuse to let us make our own
01:32:08
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and that is continuing.
01:32:09
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- I don't know, I thought Metropolitan looked pretty good
01:32:12
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at a glance, I mean the whole stretchy font thing
01:32:13
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was a little bit weird but I thought in general
01:32:15
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it looked good.
01:32:17
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- No, anyway.
01:32:19
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We'll leave that aside for now.
01:32:23
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- That's a hard disagree in case anyone was unable
01:32:25
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to determine what mark I meant there.
01:32:27
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I mean, there were a couple of interesting comments.
01:32:30
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Kevin said that they're bringing rich complications
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to more faces.
01:32:34
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So what I assume this means is, back
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when they made the transition from the Apple Watch Series 3,
01:32:39
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which is no longer supported, even though it's still
01:32:41
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for sale, which is funny.
01:32:42
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So that's great.
01:32:44
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Series 3 supporters dropped from watchOS 9.
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Thank god we can stop supporting it soon in our apps.
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Anyway, so they're bringing rich complications.
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So when they went from Series 3 to Series 4,
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and they rounded the corners of the screen and everything,
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They also, I think, added more RAM.
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The processor became 64-bit.
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It was a pretty big upgrade, and that allowed them
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to make complications multicolor and have those new,
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like, circular ones that have, like, the different,
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you know, it's much more rich complication design.
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Those complications are also able to be written in SwiftUI,
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as of, I think, last year or the year before.
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Now, as I mentioned earlier, like,
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the new widget API to make home screen widgets
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on the iPhone, you now use that same code
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to make widgets for the watch.
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So they've modernized much about the widgets
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that are existing there, and it sounds like
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they're bringing that capability to more watch faces,
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maybe the older ones that predated the series four's
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introduction that previously only had
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like plain text complications, like that,
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maybe that's now, more of those can possibly be
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these new colorful modern ones.
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So all of that, that's all good.
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Those are all good solid updates to complications.
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So I'm glad to see that complications needed updates,
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So that's great, especially the ability to now use
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the same code with iOS lock screen, which is fantastic.
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The actual watch faces, I think they're gonna keep just
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kinda doing something to us around on those that I just,
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I've given up on that.
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They're never gonna give me good watch faces.
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They cannot design them themselves to save their lives,
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at least if they have hands.
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So, oh well, I'm giving up on that.
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I'm gonna just dive straight into continuing my use
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of Infograph Modular and covering it with complications
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that I can possibly make.
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- Fair enough.
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There's also gonna be a share sheet
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and photos picker APIs on the watch.
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I'm not sure why that's super useful,
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but I encourage them to make the watch more functional,
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so that's cool.
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They spent some time talking about workouts.
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They had a really interesting discussion
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about how to get running metrics
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from just what your wrist is doing,
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which I thought was pretty cool.
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They're doing heart rate zones during workouts.
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You can do custom workouts.
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They'll detect triathlons and fitness, like I said earlier, for all iPhone users.
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But it's only the move or red ring.
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They don't have anything to do with standing and they don't have anything to do with exercise.
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It's only the red ring.
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But still, I thought that was neat.
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They talked about some health stuff, including some really interesting work they're doing
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They're talking about heart health and AFib history.
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And they're doing a lot of work with medications and tracking your medications "discreetly
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and conveniently."
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So logging, reminders, using a camera
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to scan your pill bottles to enter them.
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They're talking about drug to drug interactions
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including between medications and alcohol, for example.
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All good work.
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Anything else on iOS before we talk to Mac?
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- Yeah, all of that stuff is great.
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Like the work at Apple's like it has a lot of good stuff
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for runners, I might try some of that myself.
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The AFib stuff is great.
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I mean, this is something that like I've known people
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in real life who have problems with AFib
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and I've recommended whenever I've heard anybody with this,
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I've told them, like, hey, you should consider
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getting one of the recent Apple watches,
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because the AFib detection is really useful
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if you have that condition.
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It's very, very useful.
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And so to have AFib history, which they said,
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we expect to receive FDA clearance soon
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on the AFib history feature.
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So that means they don't have it yet.
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So that means the AFib history feature
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might not launch on a particular timeline
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that they were expecting.
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But we'll see.
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But assuming that clears the FDA at some point,
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that's a great feature.
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That can really make a big difference in people's lives.
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That's a fantastic thing.
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I'm very, very glad they're doing that.
01:36:18
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- The medication thing kind of reminds me of
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when they had menstrual cycle tracking.
01:36:22
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It's like, jeez, finally,
01:36:24
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what kind of health-related things do huge portions
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of the population have to deal with?
01:36:30
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And so, yeah, medications.
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People take them.
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The health app should help you manage them.
01:36:35
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Not that there's plenty of third-party apps
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that do it or whatever,
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but if they're going to build in this health system,
01:36:40
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improving the ability to keep track of what you're taking,
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remind you to take them.
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It's just, it's a no brainer.
01:36:46
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I'm glad they finally got around to adding that.
01:36:48
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- So we got a bunch of hardware, well, maybe not a bunch,
01:36:51
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but we got some hardware and we got an M2,
01:36:55
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which I think we all thought was possible,
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but personally, I didn't think it was likely for today,
01:37:01
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but sure enough, we got an M2.
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We got a second gen Apple Silicon processor,
01:37:07
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20 billion transistors, 25% more than the M1,
01:37:09
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100 gigs a second memory bandwidth,
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which is 50% more than M1.
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The memory limit for the unified RAM has increased to 24 gigabytes, 8 core CPU for high performance
01:37:19
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for efficiency, 18% greater performance over M1, a 10 core GPU, which is between 25 and
01:37:26
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35% faster than M1, 40% faster neural engine, 8K H.264 and HEVC ProRes media engine.
01:37:33
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And all of this is going to start out in, as we did expect, the new MacBook Air.
01:37:37
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We didn't expect it for today, but we did expect that would be where the M2 launched,
01:37:40
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and sure enough, it did.
01:37:42
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MacBook Air quick highlights.
01:37:43
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- Let me talk about the M2 first.
01:37:46
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- Oh, okay, sure.
01:37:46
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- So if you have been following the rumors,
01:37:48
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it's kind of difficult to tell from the presentation.
01:37:50
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So is this the M1 Plus and they just put the M2 name on it
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or whatever, 'cause we don't have all the details of this,
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but honestly, it doesn't really matter much.
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Like the one thing that,
01:38:00
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the main thing that determines the performance of this chip
01:38:03
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is the process, right?
01:38:05
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And it's still five nanometer.
01:38:06
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It's a newer five nanometer one.
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I think it's the whatever it's called,
01:38:09
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5P or whatever that they use for the A16 maybe?
01:38:14
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I don't remember, but anyway it's not 3nm is the point.
01:38:18
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So you're not going to see some huge decrease in power consumption or whatever because the
01:38:22
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previous chip, the M1 is 5nm and this one is also 5nm, it's just slightly better 5nm.
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So to the extent that this uses less power while doing the same thing, that is the improvements
01:38:32
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in the 5nm process and maybe some small improvements to the architecture.
01:38:36
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But beyond that, if you were looking for a chip that is one better than the M1, it would
01:38:41
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look a lot like the M2.
01:38:43
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It's a little bit bigger.
01:38:45
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Not much, but it's a little bit bigger.
01:38:46
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It's got a little bit more stuff in it, and more GPU cores can support more RAM.
01:38:51
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The things that are in it are a little bit faster, but they're not one or two percent
01:38:56
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They're significant bumps.
01:38:58
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For a chip that we're not even sure if it's even using any different cores than the other
01:39:02
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one, it might even be using the same cores as the M1, and it's using also a five nanometer
01:39:06
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process albeit a revised one. This M2 is completely worthy of the name M2 even
01:39:12
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though it's not three nanometers and even though it doesn't have double the
01:39:15
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number of cores or whatever like I'm completely satisfied with this M2 being
01:39:20
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one more than the M1. I did love the part later in the presentation when Craig
01:39:23
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made fun of the the crack marketing team with their triumph for naming the M1 and
01:39:28
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the M2 but honestly within Apple it is a triumph to have a same naming scheme for
01:39:32
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more than a few years in a row so we'll see how they go with this we'll see what
01:39:35
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with the thing in the Mac Pro ends up being called
01:39:37
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and if they just sort of lose the plot
01:39:40
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and end up calling it the XP79.
01:39:43
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- In all fairness, we do have the M1 Max,
01:39:46
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which is not the largest and maximum chip in the M1.
01:39:48
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- Yeah, yeah.
01:39:51
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The naming team eventually gets too far over their skis
01:39:56
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and has a problem.
01:39:58
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But this M2, I think it's good.
01:40:01
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Would have been better in three nanometers, fine,
01:40:04
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But Apple can't make that happen if three nanometer isn't ready, right?
01:40:08
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And three nanometer will be nice for an M3 some year.
01:40:11
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So it's a little, we talked about this before, it's a little bit weird that Apple's most
01:40:18
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powerful computers have an M1 something in them and now Apple's least powerful computers
01:40:24
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will have an M2 something in them.
01:40:26
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But that's just what we talked about before, the nature of the way you roll out chips.
01:40:31
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you don't start with the biggest one,
01:40:33
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you start with the smallest one
01:40:34
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and you work your way up to the higher power one.
01:40:36
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So I think this will just be the cadence from now on.
01:40:39
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And looking at, you know,
01:40:40
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without knowing the details of the chip
01:40:42
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and just looking at the specs,
01:40:44
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I think it is a worthy successor to the M1,
01:40:46
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which was already fantastic
01:40:47
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and this seems equally fantastic,
01:40:48
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just maybe, you know, 10 to 15% more.
01:40:51
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- Yeah, so new MacBook Air, quick highlights.
01:40:54
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- Huge applause, by the way.
01:40:56
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- MagSafe with two USB-C connections,
01:41:00
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20% reduction volume, 11.3 millimeters thick,
01:41:03
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which is less than a half an inch,
01:41:05
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a little over two and a half pounds,
01:41:06
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four colors including Star, excuse me, Midnight,
01:41:09
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which looks like the spiritual successor to the Black Book,
01:41:12
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and holy crap, it looks good.
01:41:15
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- High impedance audio jack,
01:41:19
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13.6 inch liquid retina display,
01:41:21
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as mentioned with the notch,
01:41:22
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500 nits, which is 25% brighter,
01:41:24
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a 1080p camera with two times the low light performance,
01:41:27
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four speaker sound system, spatial audio,
01:41:29
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a quote, "silent fanless design," quote,
01:41:32
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"first party compact two-port power adapter is available,"
01:41:36
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although I think I saw Quinn mention it was only like 35 watts
01:41:39
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or something like that,
01:41:39
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"and then you can fast charge on the 67-watt adapter
01:41:43
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"to 50% in 30 minutes,"
01:41:45
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and this is starting at, how much, $1,200.
01:41:49
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- And they're keeping the M1 air, the outbound,
01:41:51
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they're keeping it in the lineup,
01:41:52
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just as we do with the iPhones,
01:41:55
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at 1,000 bucks, and this is 1,200.
01:41:57
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- It's still a good computer.
01:41:58
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If you-- by the way, the power adapter,
01:42:00
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if you scroll way down in the show notes,
01:42:02
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I think you'll see a picture of that power adapter.
01:42:05
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It was rumored a few years ago.
01:42:05
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So there's another one of those rumors that leaked
01:42:07
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and turned out to be dead on.
01:42:08
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It was something we never got to,
01:42:09
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but from like weeks or months ago,
01:42:11
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we just scrolled down our document,
01:42:13
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like, oh, that's that power adapter
01:42:14
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that just announced today.
01:42:15
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It's interesting how they give you
01:42:17
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a choice of the power adapters.
01:42:18
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Like, if you buy the expensive MacBook Air,
01:42:20
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you get your choice of which power adapter you want.
01:42:22
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If you buy the cheaper one, you have
01:42:23
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to pay extra for the fancier ones.
01:42:25
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It's-- you know, anyway.
01:42:27
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So Marco, tell us what these things are like in real life.
01:42:30
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So the colors, I think, are the first and most obvious thing.
01:42:33
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One thing, we did not get the array of colors
01:42:36
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that was rumored last year when they first started rumors
01:42:39
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of the new MacBook Air.
01:42:40
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And we also did not get the whitish or white screen bezel
01:42:44
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and keyboard, which I think ultimately would have looked
01:42:48
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really cool and modern.
01:42:49
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And I kind of wish they had that.
01:42:52
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It would have made them look more like the small iMac.
01:42:54
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Yeah, I kind of like the way they look now.
01:42:57
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I mean, I get what you're saying.
01:42:58
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I think they would have looked great
01:42:59
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if they were sort of the iMac to go like the original iBook was.
01:43:03
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But they're clearly not that.
01:43:05
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And so I'm not a big fan of the white bezels
01:43:09
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and certainly not a fan of white keyboards.
01:43:11
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It's just they don't stay white for long.
01:43:16
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Maybe they still will go with that at some point.
01:43:18
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But what they went with is, I think,
01:43:21
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the safe choice for a laptop.
01:43:23
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And I think part of the reason why they did it, I think,
01:43:25
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the new Air screen has a notch.
01:43:27
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And so far all of our notches have been black,
01:43:30
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and I think making the notch in white,
01:43:33
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it would reveal the cutouts of exactly where the camera
01:43:36
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and stuff is in the top, and I think it would be uglier
01:43:39
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and more distracting possibly.
01:43:40
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So my guess is that's why they didn't go that direction,
01:43:43
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is because at whatever point the decision was made
01:43:46
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that this was gonna be a notch display,
01:43:47
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that probably knocked that possibility right out.
01:43:49
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- And speaking of camera on the notch,
01:43:50
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better camera than a $1600 Apple Studio display?
01:43:53
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- Yes, well that's not hard.
01:43:54
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I mean, you know.
01:43:56
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Oh, and by the way, there's that whole feature
01:43:57
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about using your phone as a camera.
01:44:01
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- We'll get to that in a little bit.
01:44:02
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- Yeah, yeah.
01:44:03
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Anyway, so this, the MacBook Air,
01:44:06
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so I got to look at them, I played with them,
01:44:08
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except for the blue one, but I got to look at the other ones
01:44:10
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and I saw the blue one from a few feet away.
01:44:12
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So I will say the, you know, gray and silver ones,
01:44:18
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the space gray and silver, look exactly like you'd expect.
01:44:22
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One thing that is different about them
01:44:24
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to the MacBook Pro is that the MacBook Pro
01:44:25
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has like the black keyboard well around the keys.
01:44:29
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The MacBook Air, that keyboard well is metal.
01:44:32
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So it's just like it has been from laptops of yesteryear,
01:44:35
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the space between the keys has the body color of the metal.
01:44:39
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So it doesn't look as modern as the MacBook Pro does.
01:44:43
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It still looks slightly, I wouldn't say old,
01:44:47
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but it looks overall less exciting.
01:44:51
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When the iMac came out, it looked so exciting
01:44:54
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'cause it was so fresh and new,
01:44:55
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you had all these colors and you had all the white accents
01:44:57
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and everything, it just looked light and fresh and colorful.
01:45:00
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The new MacBook Air does not look that way.
01:45:02
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It looks like a low-end MacBook Pro.
01:45:05
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And it still looks good, but it does not have
01:45:09
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that excitement of, ooh, look at the way that thing looks.
01:45:12
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It feels fantastic.
01:45:14
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Like when you pick it up, it feels like nothing.
01:45:17
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It feels weightless.
01:45:18
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You can pick it up one-handed 'cause it has
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the good new foot design, you pick it up one handed,
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you can lift the screen lid one handed,
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the whole bottom won't come up with it,
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although just barely, you can tell the weight balance,
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they achieved that, but just barely.
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So it just, it feels fantastic to handle.
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Just really great in the hand.
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The colors, as I said, I think I would probably go
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either Starlight, which is the new gold,
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which is nothing like the old gold.
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The old gold one was so bright it was almost orange
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in certain lighting.
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This one, the starlight is very much like a very pale,
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you know, and I think it's the same color
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as the Apple Watch that has the same name.
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And I think, doesn't the iPhone base model,
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do they have the same names?
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Anyway, so this is Apple's new,
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or Apple's current colors for their low-end devices.
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So space gray looks just as boring as it always has.
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The silver looks classic and it's probably what I'd go for.
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The starlight is this pale gold.
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And then the midnight,
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which everybody wants to hear about, is the dark blue.
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It is very dark.
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- Oh, it's dark blue?
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- Yes, midnight is a--
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- Oh, it did not catch that.
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- Midnight, yeah, you didn't get that.
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- It's a very dark navy blue.
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In a lot of lighting, it's gonna look black.
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- Oh, duh, this is the blue one you were talking about
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at the top of the show.
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It didn't even cross my mind
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that these are one and the same.
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- Yeah. - Holy, jeez,
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yeah, now I feel like an idiot,
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it did not even cross my mind,
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'cause it looks to me to be black.
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- I kept wondering why you kept saying
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it was like the black book.
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It's like you realized it's dark blue, right?
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- No, I didn't realize it was dark.
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I'm an idiot, but I didn't realize that.
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- In non-bright lighting, it does look black.
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It's very dark.
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And it's so dark that you barely even see the Apple logo
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on the screen lid, unless the lighting catches it exactly.
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It's very, very dark.
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And I hate to tell you, Casey, it's a fingerprint magnet.
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- Oh, really?
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That's too bad.
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- Yeah, it really, really is.
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And it was so fingerprinty.
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You don't see it as much on the main keyboard deck,
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but you see it a lot on the screen later.
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If you see the back of it, everyone's closed.
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Yeah, and they had handlers.
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When Apple has the hands-on areas,
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there's a handler at each hardware piece,
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and after each person handles it, they wipe it down,
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just for sanitary reasons.
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So even with that level of pretty consistently cleaning it,
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there were a lot of noticeable fingerprints on it.
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So we'll see how it is in practice in the real world,
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but it's pretty fingerprinty,
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and it's darker than you think it is.
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Like, whatever you see in pictures,
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think of it looking almost black.
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It is very, very dark in person.
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You don't see the Apple logo on the back very well,
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and it gets very fingerprinty.
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So frankly, I don't think I would buy it,
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just for that alone,
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but a lot of people thought it looked cool, who weren't me.
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- Well, that's a bummer.
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- It's interesting that there's the limitations
01:48:05
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that are in the air, right?
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So obviously they remove one of the limitations,
01:48:08
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'cause you mentioned that MagSafe now,
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which means you don't have to take up
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one of your USB-C ports with power,
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assuming you have your MagSafe connector with you,
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or you can use them if you need to.
01:48:16
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So that's great.
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Something I saw fly by on Twitter
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that it would look like it was a screenshot from AppleThing,
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still only support for one external monitor,
01:48:24
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which seems like a weird limitation.
01:48:27
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Like maybe it's,
01:48:28
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and I think we went a couple of rounds on this before,
01:48:30
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I don't remember the resolution,
01:48:31
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is it like a limitation on the M1
01:48:34
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that it was just inherited by the M2?
01:48:35
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Is this a silly software limitation?
01:48:37
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And really, you can have more than one screen
01:48:38
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if you buy an adapter,
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but it just seems like a,
01:48:41
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It seems like an inappropriate limitation, because we know how powerful these machines are.
01:48:45
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The M1 MacBook Air, it was just, you know, phenomenally powerful compared to its predecessors.
01:48:49
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It doesn't seem like there's a reason that it should only support one external screen,
01:48:52
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but apparently that is still the case with this one as well.
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Selling the slower charger by default and making you pay more for the bigger, faster charger
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makes some sense, I guess, but it feels a little bit like you're being nickel-dimed.
01:49:05
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What was the other limitation?
01:49:08
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I will say, it doesn't, so they updated the screen.
01:49:10
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It doesn't have P3 still.
01:49:12
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They said it has over a billion colors,
01:49:13
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but that's, I guess that's still not P3.
01:49:16
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But it is 500 nits now, which is nice.
01:49:19
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The screen looked great.
01:49:20
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The only thing is, it does not have,
01:49:21
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like the way I complained forever
01:49:23
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about how the MacBook Pro, since it went retina,
01:49:27
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it wasn't quite a true 2x pixel match.
01:49:29
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You had to do scaling.
01:49:31
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And the new MacBook Pros that came out last fall
01:49:34
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fixed that finally, where you actually finally have true
01:49:36
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2x pixels at default settings on new MacBook Pros,
01:49:40
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you still don't on the new Air.
01:49:41
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So it's still a lower end display,
01:49:43
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but I think given its role, given its price point,
01:49:46
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that makes total sense, that's a totally excusable flaw.
01:49:49
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- Yeah, the limitation is the RAM limit,
01:49:50
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which they increased, yay, but going up to 24,
01:49:53
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it seems kinda like, oh, couldn't quite make it to 32.
01:49:56
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Power constraints, heat, you know, like maybe, hmm.
01:49:59
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Like the last time I saw 24 anything,
01:50:03
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it reminded me, I made a joke about it on Twitter,
01:50:05
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like the old days of the Mac,
01:50:08
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it had essentially 24-bit addressing,
01:50:10
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because who would ever need more RAM
01:50:12
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than you can address with 24 bits?
01:50:14
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But it turns out eventually you did need more RAM to that.
01:50:16
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And then when that time came,
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a bunch of existing Mac applications
01:50:20
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would take their 32-bit values
01:50:23
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and use the upper six bits that weren't being used.
01:50:26
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Like you could take a pointer
01:50:27
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and you could put other crap in there, right?
01:50:29
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But all of a sudden,
01:50:30
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if that stuff becomes part of the address,
01:50:31
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it's like, oh, we can't,
01:50:32
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these apps that expect that these bits are just
01:50:36
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for their use, they're not gonna work on a 32-bit machine,
01:50:39
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so you had to buy 32-bit clean versions of the app,
01:50:42
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like they'd be updated to be 32-bit clean,
01:50:44
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so like we won't put weird crap in the top six bits.
01:50:47
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And there was this Mode32 plugin, anyway,
01:50:51
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that's the last time I can remember seeing 24.
01:50:53
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Usually see things go like 8, 16, 32 for a reason,
01:50:56
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but it seems like 24 is like, what can we wedge
01:50:59
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into this size and power envelope
01:51:01
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that also seems like it's adequate.
01:51:03
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And honestly, I think it is adequate,
01:51:04
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but part of the thing that disappoints me
01:51:06
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with this in terms of capacity is,
01:51:09
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like again, M1 is so powerful, M2 is more powerful still.
01:51:13
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There's no reason why you couldn't use a MacBook Air
01:51:16
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and use all that 32 gigs of memory
01:51:18
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if you did some big memory intensive tasks,
01:51:20
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because there's plenty of compute available for it.
01:51:23
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And sometimes, some jobs that you need to do
01:51:25
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are actually more memory heavy than compute heavy, right?
01:51:28
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I know it's not a pro machine, right?
01:51:30
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So it doesn't have to have 64 gigs or whatever,
01:51:32
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but being able to take the low end machine
01:51:35
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and stuff it with the particular thing that is important
01:51:39
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for what you're going to do with it is useful.
01:51:41
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And they're giving you that.
01:51:43
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You can make it go up to 24 instead of making it go up to 16
01:51:47
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and they, by the way, they charge you a huge amount
01:51:48
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for this, like 400 bucks for the 24 gigs,
01:51:50
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which is kind of disappointing.
01:51:51
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But I still think this machine,
01:51:54
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if you gave this machine a little bit more flexibility
01:51:57
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in terms of the options that you can put into it,
01:52:00
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based on what people need,
01:52:01
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then you wouldn't need this next machine,
01:52:03
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which just I still find a little bit confusing.
01:52:06
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- Yeah, so they said the MacBook Air
01:52:10
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was the world's best selling laptop,
01:52:12
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and they said the 13 inch MacBook Pro
01:52:14
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is the world's second best selling laptop.
01:52:16
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And I was wondering as we kept seeing this,
01:52:20
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and as I've wondered in public for a while now,
01:52:22
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ever since then, like, why does that computer still exist?
01:52:26
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But I think the answer is people seem to be buying it a lot.
01:52:29
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but they buy 'cause it's cheap.
01:52:31
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- Right, well, and why do they buy something labeled pro
01:52:34
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that has none of the modern pro features?
01:52:36
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Maybe it's aspirational, maybe it's the marketing,
01:52:38
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they just think they need it for some reason,
01:52:41
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but this computer, when they showed the slide
01:52:44
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of all the Macs at the end, it stands out
01:52:46
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'cause it's so old looking because it still has
01:52:48
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the old screen proportions without the notch,
01:52:50
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and it still has a touch bar.
01:52:52
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It looks really old. (laughs)
01:52:54
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So you have the old style magic, I guess, quote old,
01:52:59
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2019 era Magic Keyboard where it does not have
01:53:01
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the full height function keys or the big touch ID button
01:53:03
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of the new ones, it has still the skinny function row
01:53:05
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with the touch bar, but it has the escape button,
01:53:07
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you know, that version of the touch bar.
01:53:10
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So it has that, it has the old screen bezel
01:53:13
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with no notch in the top, so the top bezel
01:53:16
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looks significantly wider than the rest of them,
01:53:17
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'cause it is.
01:53:18
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It has the same M2 and everything,
01:53:23
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pretty much all the same limitations except it has a fan.
01:53:25
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And they said, again, that the fan is designed,
01:53:28
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quote, "to sustain the performance of the M2."
01:53:31
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So we will see what happens when people actually
01:53:34
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get these things.
01:53:35
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In the M1 generation, what we found in testing
01:53:38
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is that the MacBook Air that was fanless with the M1
01:53:42
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really would hardly ever throttle
01:53:44
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unless you were doing some very heavy
01:53:45
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like GPU and CPU maximization,
01:53:47
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like if you're doing video rendering, for instance.
01:53:50
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And so the difference in practice between having a fan
01:53:53
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and not having a fan with the M1 was pretty small.
01:53:57
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The M2, that ratio might be different.
01:53:59
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We don't know yet.
01:53:59
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We don't know how they've tuned it,
01:54:01
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what the thermal characteristics are under load yet
01:54:03
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of the revised cores and the revised process.
01:54:06
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So we will see.
01:54:07
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The calculation might be different.
01:54:09
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Maybe the new MacBook Air will throttle
01:54:11
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more than the M1 based one did.
01:54:14
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We don't know.
01:54:15
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So time will tell on that.
01:54:17
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Maybe that's a reason to buy the MacBook Pro
01:54:19
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to get that little fan so that you can have
01:54:21
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sustained max performance for a longer time.
01:54:23
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But, and the battery's also a little bit bigger too.
01:54:27
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They quote the MacBook Air at 18 hours of video playback.
01:54:29
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They quote the MacBook Pro at 20.
01:54:31
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So it's a little bit better battery life.
01:54:33
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- Isn't the screen better too?
01:54:35
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- The screen, I don't think is,
01:54:36
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I think the screen's actually worse.
01:54:37
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- But is it P3?
01:54:39
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- You know, I don't know if they mentioned that.
01:54:40
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I don't know.
01:54:41
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But anyway, so this computer,
01:54:45
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I still think if you are,
01:54:47
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if you're looking at this 13-inch MacBook, quote, Pro,
01:54:51
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I think you should give a serious look at the 14 inch
01:54:54
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and see if you can reach for that instead
01:54:56
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because you get a lot more for that machine.
01:54:59
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But whatever, they still sell this one
01:55:01
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and apparently they sell a lot of them,
01:55:03
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so that's why they updated it sort of,
01:55:04
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but I don't see why this machine is still sold.
01:55:07
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- I am unreasonably angry that this is still a thing.
01:55:12
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I don't understand why this is still a thing.
01:55:14
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And with the touch bar,
01:55:15
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get rid of the stupid touch bar at this point.
01:55:17
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I didn't hate the touch bar, but I didn't love it,
01:55:20
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But at this point, just get rid of the stupid touch bar.
01:55:22
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If nothing, like I don't understand why this is a thing.
01:55:25
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I know the answer is because I sell them,
01:55:27
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but why is this computer still a thing?
01:55:29
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Just get rid of the darn thing.
01:55:30
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- I mean, I think the answer is that like,
01:55:32
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the 14 inch MacBook Pro starting price is $2,000,
01:55:36
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and this thing is like 1,300.
01:55:38
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So like, I see why,
01:55:40
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because that price gap is still really big,
01:55:43
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but I really think anybody who thinks you want or need
01:55:47
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this 13 inch MacBook Pro,
01:55:49
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either see if you can do the 14 inch,
01:55:51
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which I know is a lot more money,
01:55:52
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or get the new Air, which is frankly better feeling
01:55:55
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and it has the advantage of being silent
01:55:57
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no matter what you do to it.
01:55:58
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It probably has more modern other components too,
01:56:02
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like the screen looks more modern and everything.
01:56:05
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I think the Air is the better computer
01:56:08
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for most conditions where you'd be looking at this thing.
01:56:11
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- Oh yeah, no, for sure the Air is the better computer,
01:56:13
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but you can make a good version of this computer
01:56:15
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because like you said, there is a big price gap.
01:56:17
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The good version of this computer
01:56:18
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would obviously not have a touch bar,
01:56:19
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it would just have a screen and a notch,
01:56:21
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and the screen would be a slightly better version
01:56:23
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than the one in the Air,
01:56:24
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and it would lean more heavily into its strength,
01:56:26
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so it should be the fan and the bigger battery.
01:56:28
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So what you'd have is something that is in price
01:56:30
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between the Air and the Pro,
01:56:31
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that has some better components,
01:56:33
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I would probably lean on the screen,
01:56:34
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and that just is bigger and thicker
01:56:36
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and has more battery life.
01:56:37
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There is a place for that machine, right?
01:56:38
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The Air is the one that everybody should get,
01:56:39
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we all know that, it's great,
01:56:40
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like it does everything you're gonna need,
01:56:42
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but if someone's like,
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I just need a little more battery life,
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but I don't wanna pay $2,000,
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the 13 inch, maybe you don't call it Pro,
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I don't know what you name the machine,
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but basically the machine I'm describing
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would be a good product, but this is not it, right?
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This is still, this is like the M1 MacBook Air.
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It's like, yeah, we did this already.
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It's the thing where you take an existing computer
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and you shove some different,
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now they're doing it twice.
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We ripped out the guts, and just, yeah,
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I think they need to, this computer needs more love.
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It needs another pass, 'cause I,
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another pass and maybe another name,
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but because I don't think the Air,
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there's always gonna be a big gap between the Air
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and the bottom end Pro, so there should be something there,
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and I don't think the Air can extend all the way up to that,
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so you just have to lean into the fact that it's bigger,
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it's thicker, it's heavier, and what do you get for that?
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More battery, better screen, a fan.
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- I mean, maybe the road here is gonna be like,
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you know, in the same way that they're keeping
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around the M1 Air at a lower price point,
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I wonder if maybe next time they rev the MacBook Pro,
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maybe it's this fall, maybe it's a year after that
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or whatever, maybe next time they rev the MacBook Pro,
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the M1 Pro 14-inch sticks around in the lineup
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and just gets pushed down by a few hundred bucks.
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That would be amazing, but I don't see that happening.
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I recognize for non-low-end products,
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that's less likely, given their patterns.
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But if they still have a bunch of M1 Pros or M1 Macs
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that's sitting around that didn't go into anything
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by then, that would be some way to close this gap.
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Because right now, that gap is very, very large.
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I wish they would close it a little bit price-wise,
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because again, this 13-inch MacBook Pro shouldn't exist.
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people who want to buy it should be able to buy the 14 inch
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and so the more Apple can do to close that price gap
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over time, I think the better their lineup will be.
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- Indeed, all right, Mac OS, Mac OS,
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Ace Ventura pet detective.
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- Or Jesse the Body Ventura,
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neither one of these things is particularly pretty.
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- No, they didn't say Ventura, I wrote down,
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they said Ventura.
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- I know, I'm just saying, like the pop culture things
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that spring to mind for people who are not familiar,
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who don't have any preconceived notions
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for this place in California,
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are not great, but whatever, you know, new year, new name.
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- Indeed, so I really, this is just maybe for me,
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but I really enjoyed the little cameo from Kyle,
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the Fitness Plus trainer, when I think it was Craig
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was trying to find the right place to go to introduce this.
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I thought that was a fun little cameo.
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Anyway, stage manager, so you can activate it
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from Control Center, and it shoves all of your
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accessory windows off to the side,
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and then they're all in the left-hand side,
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or perhaps this is a configurable left-hand side,
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like different stacks or piles is I think the word they used.
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And you can cycle through the different windows in your pile
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by clicking on the left hand side.
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And as you go between your different groups of windows
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and stage manager, it quote, "keeps windows arranged
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"just as I left them," quote Mr. John Syracuse.
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So hey, stage manager is for people
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who have way too many windows
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and don't know what to do with them, John.
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- When I saw this feature, I was like,
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this feature looks much more burberry
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for an iPad than a Mac, and surprise, it was, right?
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And so Apple keeps trying to do things, and good.
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They keep trying to do things
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to make window management better on the Mac.
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But they've tried so many different things,
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and for the most part, those things remain in the OS.
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I don't think people even know how many different things
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are in macOS to try to help you with window arrangement,
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because a lot of them are kind of hidden, right?
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The snapping to edges of windows and grid positions,
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how many people even know that exist?
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was added years ago, it's still there.
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You can hold down the option key to override it, right?
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The thing where you can tile the windows
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to be left half, right half, top half, bottom half,
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all that stuff that they made more visible in recent years
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in the green window widget, that's still there too.
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That, it totally is in conflict
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with the stage manager thing,
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because snapping something to be the left half
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of the screen, now you've got this stupid,
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weird angled blobs of piles
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that you're still able to recognize,
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and so now we can't snap to the left end of the screen,
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So is that feature either not going to exist
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or is it going to snap to the edge where the thing is?
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But what if you don't want to use,
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is it gonna leave a gutter for that?
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But what if you don't use that feature
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and don't want to have that gutter there,
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now you're losing part of your screen space.
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And then of course we have mission control,
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which has gone through many different names.
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It used to be called expose,
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where you can get little tiles of windows
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and rearrange things.
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And all of those things exist at the same time.
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None of them really integrate with each other
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or related to each other in any way.
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They're just sort of a legacy of trying things.
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And every time I see them do something like this,
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I mean, the Mac way to maybe find a better solution
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for this would be to provide much, much better APIs
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and hooks for third parties to tackle this problem.
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I know there's tons of apps like Moom and the Million
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Magnet and all these other apps that
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use accessibility features to do this type of stuff.
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But none of those apps have the deep integration
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to the Windows server that you would need to really spark
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some innovation in this space because it's clear
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that Apple is not entirely sure how to help here.
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They keep adding features,
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oh, I forgot about spaces, that's there too.
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They keep adding features and things
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and you can use which ones you like
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and for the most part, the good thing is
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if you don't wanna use them, they don't get in your way
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but it's just, there's no coherent vision.
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It's just a bunch of stuff and the stuff never leaves
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which probably makes you happy if you still use it
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although you might get mad if they change spaces
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to not work the way you want it
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and then never abandon it and never touch it again
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in five years or whatever, but their window management solution is scattershot.
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Now if this stage manager works for some people, great.
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There's a window management feature that previously they weren't giving any people help and then
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maybe this clicks with some people and it really helps them.
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But for me personally, this is not going to help me at all because that's not the way
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I manage windows at all.
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And it is so much more appropriate to the iPad that it almost makes you think it was
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developed on the iPad and you say, you know what, we can bring this to the Mac too, which
02:02:34
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You know, I guess, fair enough, but it's,
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I'm not excited about Stage Manager.
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And as for remembering position of Windows,
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like, good luck, you know, what if I changed,
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I attached two new monitors and changed the resolution
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on all of them and then I click one of those piles,
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who knows what's gonna happen?
02:02:46
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- You know, spoiler alert, I think this was probably
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designed for iPad first, but, and I think maybe
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that also tells you who it's for,
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is maybe it's for people who start out multitasking
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on an iPad and then wanna upgrade to a Mac later.
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- Yeah, like, or wanna have the familiar experience,
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who's like, I know how it works on the iPad,
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it's like, well, here's a Mac, oh, I don't know what a Mac
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'cause it's weird and confusing.
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Oh, you could do window management kind of the same way,
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but not quite.
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We'll get to that when we talk about the iPad.
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But I just, I really wish,
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either that there was a more coherent vision
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where they sort of wiped the table clean and said,
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here's a new way to manage Windows in the Mac,
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and/or give third parties full access to the Windows Server.
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Like, you know what I mean?
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Like actual hooks, like down to low level things
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where they can do literally anything
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and not just like reaching in from the outside
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through accessibility APIs.
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We move right along.
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There's spotlight improvements,
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including searching text inside of images,
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which is pretty cool, and also running shortcuts.
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Also, by the way, it's at the bottom of the iOS home screen,
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which is a little bit different.
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I think that'll be convenient,
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but that's definitely different.
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- Does anyone have, again, Mark,
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do you have the beta? - I got it.
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The page dots at the bottom become a search box
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after a second or two when it's displayed.
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So it starts out as page dots,
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and then it's a little, little tiny search,
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and so you tap in search,
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and you get this little thing and then it pops up.
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- I saw that because when they showed them the slide,
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they showed the dots and then they said,
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and you know, spotlight is right on your home screen
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and then it faded into being that thing
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and I thought like, are they showing us
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where the dots used to be are now spotlight,
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but how do I know how many home screens I have?
02:04:18
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But literally that was not a transition on the slide,
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that is what the UI does.
02:04:21
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- Yeah, and like whenever you swipe pages,
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it fades back into the dots for a second,
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then it goes back to search.
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And you can still, to be clear,
02:04:27
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you can still pull down on the home screen
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and spotlight still just come up,
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so that your gesture memory will work the same way,
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but now there's just like a totally,
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an always visible thing there that says search,
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and you just tap that and there it is.
02:04:36
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- Yeah, this is a discoverability thing,
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because if you don't know about pulling down
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on the home screen, it may take you a while to discover it,
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but if there's a prominent widget
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that has the word search in it,
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maybe you have a better chance of seeing it.
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- Mail was getting love.
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- Yeah. - Who would have thunk it?
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I am really excited about this.
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You're getting undo send, scheduled send,
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follow-up suggestions, which by the way,
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did not have a hyphen,
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remind me and also quote the biggest overhaul of search in mail we've done in years quote,
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which is exciting. I'm curious, I don't think it will, but I'm curious for any services
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like Fastmail that support these features natively. I wonder if mail will work with
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those server side features. I presume not, or if it will just do this all locally. And
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also if you like schedule a send on your Mac and then your Mac is asleep or perhaps off,
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and what happens, like does that email not get sent?
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I don't know, I have questions about this,
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but I'm still, I'm excited that they're
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giving mail some love.
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- Yeah, and this, I am so, I should actually set up
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a mail account on my beta phone to see,
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but what I really wanna see is like,
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how good is the search on iOS?
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Because the search in desktop mail has never been great,
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but it at least has been comprehensive.
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iOS mail has always had the challenge of,
02:05:51
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the iOS mail app, as far as I can tell,
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has never actually downloaded all your mailbox content
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to the phone locally.
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It does what it can, it keeps all the cache
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of the latest things, whatever,
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but it doesn't download everything
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in your entire IMAP account across all folders forever.
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So when you do a search on the iPhone,
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historically, you hit search and it first does
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a really fast search of whatever it has locally,
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and then it has to go start fetching stuff from the server.
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And that's when it takes a while,
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it starts paging stuff in, it's slow,
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And that also limits how good of a search it can be
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if you have a large mail collection.
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So if the new mail on the iPhone is actually gonna download
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your entire history of mail,
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then it can actually index it all
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and do smart stuff with it.
02:06:34
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So we'll see how that plays out.
02:06:36
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But that's been one major architectural thing
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that has limited it so far.
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But the fact that they're even tackling this,
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I'm very happy to see this,
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'cause the mail apps on all their platforms
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have been mostly stagnant for most of their lives.
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They occasionally get little tiny updates,
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but usually not much.
02:06:55
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This is actually really nice modern features
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that all these modern mail clients that only work on Gmail,
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they all support all these things.
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The Undoed Send, the Scheduled Send, the Remind Me,
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which is I think also called snoozing in many other places.
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That's all great.
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And again, search has always been pretty rudimentary.
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And so to have them tackling these things,
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I'm looking very much forward to seeing
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how well these things work.
02:07:19
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- Yep, me too.
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Safari gets a few different things.
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They get shared tab groups,
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which I could see actually being pretty convenient.
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Like there are times when Aaron and I
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will be working on like a vacation plan
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or something like that, or looking at Airbnbs
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that we may wanna stay at,
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and rather than just spamming each other via iMessage,
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we could just have a shared tab group
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with these tabs open.
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So I'm actually kind of excited for that.
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I don't think I'll use it often,
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but I think it'll be super convenient when I do.
02:07:44
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Pasquies which is the Fido stuff we talked about was that last week week before
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They spend a fair bit of time on that and I'm excited to see that it's becoming more and more real
02:07:55
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The news on the Fido stuff is basically like last year and we talked about this if you didn't hear it. It was on what?
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One what number were you on now?
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484 episode 484 you can hear us talk about Fido all that stuff is still relevant the last time they announced this at last year's
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It was all the same stuff, but last year they said, "Hey, these APIs are just for you to
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We're not sure these are the final APIs.
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Try them, give us feedback, let us know what we're doing.
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Don't use these in production.
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They're not ready for you to actually implement this.
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This is just to try stuff out."
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This year they're saying, "All the same stuff, but now you can use it.
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You can use it.
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Please implement this stuff."
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I haven't looked at the sessions yet, but that was my impression from seeing the keynote
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stuff is that what was last year just something for developers to try out is now real and
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people can put in products. I hope that's the case. I look forward to seeing the specific
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sessions on this to find out.
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Indeed. All right, gaming got a section, I guess. Like, this is a thing?
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Well, when I watch these things, like, so if you follow console development, every game
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console and of course Windows, like, have all these, have APIs to do all of these things,
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whatever the Apple is talking about in particular,
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you can look at it and say,
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"Oh, that's like X from PlayStation or Xbox,
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but the Apple version of it."
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And this year was some up-and-coming stuff,
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resource loading, blah, blah, whatever.
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And it's kind of fascinating to me
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that Apple is putting in all this work
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to essentially create on their own
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a first-class gaming API stack from top to bottom,
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just like Sony does with PlayStation,
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just like Microsoft does with Xbox and PC gaming.
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Apple's doing that too.
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The only difference is Apple is doing that
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in service of essentially phone games, right?
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Which are the mobile games are the largest part
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of the gaming market.
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If you think it's just a side show,
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it's not, it's the biggest part.
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But it's not the show as they say.
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It is not, you know, AAA games,
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it is not the high profile ones,
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it is not, it's kind of like not the,
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not the blockbusters.
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And I say that only if your definition of blockbuster
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is like public consciousness and not money.
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'Cause Apple's got plenty of blockbusters
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but they're casino games for children.
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And so it's, but it's weird that like,
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these APIs all look really good,
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but they work on Apple platforms, right?
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And only on Apple platforms.
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And I think they're good
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and they would let people make lots of cool things,
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but nobody is going to really invest in
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writing against these pretty good APIs for Apple platforms
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for a game that is intended to run elsewhere.
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So if you're writing a iPhone type game
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or a game that's targeting the iPad or whatever,
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yeah, this is great.
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The APIs are good, they're getting better all the time.
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The industry standard, industry wide features
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eventually come to Apple's platforms
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and you can get to use them, they have great hardware.
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But if your goal is to sell your game
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to as many people as possible,
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you're gonna use some cross platform engine,
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like Unity or whatever, and then Unity will write,
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will adapt to these APIs and stuff like that.
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So it always, it's not a shame that Apple does this,
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But I looked and I'm like, wow, Apple spends a lot of money
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and time and has a lot of really smart peaking,
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make a lot of cool APIs.
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And no matter how good they are at it,
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that's never going to help them get what they seem to want,
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which is like, oh, let's have Resident Evil Village show
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that the game is out for every other platform,
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it's soon going to be on Apple platforms, big deal.
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Apple seems to want to be like, we're big in games,
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we have AAA games, the cool gamers like our platforms.
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Like, no, they don't.
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They, like mobile gamers like your platform.
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That's your business.
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That's how you get 80% of your billions of dollars
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from the app store, right?
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That's a thing, and it's good to have
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good gaming APIs for that,
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but they keep trying to make fetch happen.
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They keep trying to be like, "No, Resident Evil,
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"that's cool, right, kids?"
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And that's just, their problem is not their hardware,
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and the problem is not their,
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well, I'm gonna say it's not their API.
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The problem is not the quality of their API.
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The problem is that their APIs are only their APIs,
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and aren't cross-platform.
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And you could argue the same thing.
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There's PlayStation-specific APIs,
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Xbox specific APIs, but I think there's more sort of commonality in that world than there
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is in the Apple world.
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With Apple, it's like top to bottom, everything Apple proprietary and any work you do to optimize
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specifically for Apple platforms is basically useless for you elsewhere, which is a shame.
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I am genuinely excited about FaceTime handoff.
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So if you have a FaceTime call on your phone and then you walk up to your Mac, it'll see
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that your face, your phone is nearby and that it's doing a FaceTime call and you can hand
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off the call from your phone to your Mac, which I'm really excited about.
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I confess, I thought that already existed.
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No, no, no, no, definitely not.
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I just, I totally thought, like, it shows how often I do this type of thing.
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Maybe don't even listen for audio calls or something, but yeah, FaceTime and off.
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I don't think it actually exists at all.
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Continuity camera.
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This is a feature made for me and my crap ass camera on my beloved studio display.
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This is another thing where if you scroll down on our show notes, in fact, just below
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the giant WWDC things, we have a section called
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Using the iPhone as a Webcam.
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- Yep, and I actually tweeted a picture of my setup
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when I was watching everything today,
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and I had the show notes up, and in that picture,
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you can see exactly what you're talking about
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before WWDC happened.
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Well, anyways, you can use an iPhone as a webcam.
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I guess if it's a phone that's connected to your Apple ID
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and all that jazz, you don't even have to wake up the phone.
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There's no wires required.
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It supports center stage.
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It has a studio light mode.
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It is unclear to me whether or not
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that kicks on the flashlight on your phone.
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- No, I think it's just the same weird brightening
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that the Apple Studio Display taught us to do
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and makes our faces all look weird.
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- No, no, this has been a feature of iPhone cameras
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for a little while.
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It's an extension of portrait mode.
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So they take portrait mode and apply some machine learning.
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They introduced it a few years ago.
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- Okay, and then they also have something called desk view,
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And apparently if you have a phone that has the ultra wide camera on it, it will use the
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single image from the ultra wide camera, but split it into two images for the perspective
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of the person on the other end of the FaceTime call, where you see your face in one of the
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images and the desktop, your physical desktop, not your computer's desktop, I'm talking the
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physical desktop you place your hands on, is also shown as like a second image.
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If this works at all, that's going to be super cool.
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And I immediately flash back to Declan's kindergarten teacher last year, because he was virtual
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all year last year, and she went through ridiculous hoops.
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This woman is an angel, and she went through ridiculous hoops in order to get it so that
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she could easily show the kids what's on her desk, what's on her screen, what, you know,
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her herself.
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Like, it was so complicated for her, and I felt so bad, and she did such an amazing job
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And as it turns out, if it was this year, she could just slap an iPhone on her screen
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and call it a day.
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Like I just think that's super, super neat.
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- Yeah, this is, we'll see like what are the limitations
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of the amount of image data it's getting off
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of that tiny little sensor on the ultra wide lens
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and how much de-warping it's having to do to make this.
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Like it's probably gonna be fairly low resolution,
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especially as you get closer towards the, towards one side.
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But I think it's still a really cool thing
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that they're doing this at all.
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- Although, so this is kind of, you know,
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we have the Apology Mouse after they did the Puck Mouse.
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I know this isn't actually an apology for the Apple Studio Display camera given the
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timing but it is, you know, hey we sold a fairly expensive monitor with a not so great
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camera on it but you all have iPhones right?
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Well if you're desperate you can do this and to sort of the, you know, the janky cherry
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on top is the fact that they're third party.
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They're not even selling a first party like thing to attach your phone to your screen
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of your laptop.
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It's all just a bunch of third party plastic things that like snap onto the magnet or whatever.
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Like they don't look good.
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They look out of scale.
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It's weird to have an iPhone 13 Pro Max
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hanging off the end of your MacBook Air screen
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just to get a better camera.
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It's weird to have your phone up there,
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'cause what if you wanna use your phone
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and not everyone has an old phone hanging around
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that they're gonna use.
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And just you look at all this and it's like,
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Apple, just put better cameras in your computers,
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for crying out loud like this.
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Like, it really boggles my mind at this point.
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Like, how much does the best camera
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in the back of an iPhone cost Apple $50?
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How much could it possibly cost, $100?
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Whatever the price is, just pass it on to the consumer
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and put good cameras in your computers.
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And that's what we're saying, like the MacBook Air,
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better camera than the Apple Studio display, why?
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'Cause it's not a wide angle center stage thing.
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It is a more narrowly focused, you know,
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like quote unquote regular camera.
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That's not great, it's not an awesome camera,
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but at least you have more resolution
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and less compromises than the wide angle one.
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We talked about this in the show notes, it was in the show notes because there's a third-party
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app called Camo that does this, right?
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And obviously Apple can do it better than any third-party app because they have system
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integration, presumably it'll be more reliable and just faster and better.
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Like you know, it feels bad when an app gets Sherlock'd but this is the type of feature
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that only Apple can implement because they're the only ones who have access to these APIs
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And you know, the iPhone is a fairly closed platform.
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So I'm not saying this is bad, I'm glad it exists, but Apple, this is not the solution
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to your bad cameras.
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I believe that it is possible to do better with the cameras that you put in your Macs.
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Please make this feature essentially obsolete.
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Yeah, this is a glorious hack, but it's a hack nonetheless, and if we can make it less
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necessary, that would be wonderful.
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Even if they put good cameras in the Mac, the one role that it does have, and this is
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the way it should be advertised, is don't hang your phone off the back of your computer.
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Now you have a mobile thing, like, "Oh, I need to show you something.
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I need to go over here and do this and do that.
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That is why this feature should exist.
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It should never exist to say,
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I'm going to take a computer
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that already has a camera facing me, like this laptop,
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and I'm gonna replace it with this better camera
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that's in my very expensive phone.
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'Cause the advantage of a camera in your phone
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that your Mac is sort of seeing through
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is you can move it around.
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Or let me look over here and look over there.
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I'm gonna go into this room,
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and I don't know what the range is on the thing,
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but having a mobile camera is useful.
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A mobile additional camera is also useful,
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but the ones that are built in should be better.
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I don't remember any talk of settings during the keynote,
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but there's been a lot of,
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a big kerfuffle about it since the keynote ended.
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John, can you fill me in on what's going on here?
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- Yeah, I haven't looked at it myself either
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'cause I don't have betas installed,
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but I've seen at least one screenshot
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and heard some things from some people about it.
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This was rumored, and I can't even tell
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from the screenshot whether this part of it is true,
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but my assumption is that the application
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that used to be called System Preferences on your Mac,
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where you could change settings and stuff,
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has now been renamed to be Settings, which
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is what it's called on iOS and iPad OS, and that makes sense.
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Again, I can't confirm that from the screenshot,
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but I'm assuming it's true.
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But the real news is the app itself looks totally different.
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What does it look like?
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Looks a lot like the Settings app looks on your iPad.
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It's got on the left-hand side, there's
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a little scrolling list of things
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that are in order that only Apple understands.
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And on the right-hand side is the detail pane
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of the things showing up.
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And from the people who have actually
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use this briefly in the beta today.
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What I've heard is that it's buggy and janky,
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as you would imagine for an app that has been completely
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replaced with a totally new interface.
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Maybe it uses Swift UI and has weird problems.
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Maybe the window doesn't resize quite properly.
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Maybe it's missing features that existed
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in the previous version.
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The one technical advantage it has
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is that it's my understanding that the preference panes now
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run in separate processes, which is better.
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So they won't take down your thing when they crash
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or whatever.
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But I think that might have even been true in the existing
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system preferences.
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System preferences hasn't changed much since Mac OS X 10.0.
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It's always just been a grid of randomly organized icons
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with some options to move them around.
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And they added the search features with the little spotlight
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that actually puts a little spotlight graphic or whatever.
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But in the end, it's just been basically a grid of icons
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and Apple moves them around everyone.
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So while unifying that interface with the settings app
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on the rest of the platform makes sense to me,
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but unfortunately the settings app
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on all Apple's other platforms, isn't that great?
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It's confusing, it's hard to find things.
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Unless you have really internalized Apple's thinking
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with how they break things up into groups,
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it's not easy to find things.
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Granted, there's a search bar at top.
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So anyway, I'm all for rearranging this.
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I don't spend a lot of time in the settings apps.
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I think this is the right move.
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Unifying it across all platforms is a good idea,
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but kind of like shortcuts for the Mac,
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it would also be nice if the app itself was a good app.
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And this seems like, at least in the very, very first beta
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from a few people who've used it.
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On the very first day it's out,
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seems like it might not be quite there yet.
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- Yeah, a couple of minor things.
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It's called system settings, not settings.
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Which is weird. - Why?
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- Yeah, I understand, so it went from system preferences
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to system settings, but why not just call it settings?
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If the whole goal is to unify it across the mother platform.
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- It's just called settings on the phone.
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Are they not settings for the system?
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What are they settings for?
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System seems redundant, but oh, well.
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Maybe they'll change that.
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You can change the name pretty easily.
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And they mentioned in State of the Union
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that they were using SwiftUI across more of their own apps.
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They specifically called out the new settings app
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as using SwiftUI.
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The wording of it was a little bit waffly
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before it sounds like it might not be all SwiftUI.
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And they also called out that they rewrote the Fontbook app
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that apparently is entirely SwiftUI.
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- That's probably pretty safe.
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- Yeah, I hope.
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- I think people are spending a lot of time on Fontbook.
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- I mean, I think if Fontbook cannot be written in SwiftUI,
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SwiftUI needs a lot more work than we think.
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- Well, Fontbook is, you know,
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that's the thing about with these rewrites.
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When you get a rewrite, like even a rewrite of Fontbook,
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a Fontbook, if you launch it now on your Mac,
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it has a lot of features
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and a lot of things that you can do with it.
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How many of those are still going to be present
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in the rewrite?
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Same thing with System Preferences.
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People might not know,
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but System Preferences has like a menu in the menu bar
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that you can do things, you can sort things differently,
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you can hide preference panes.
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There's a lot of junk in there.
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And I'm not sure, you don't need to bring that all over,
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but some people are gonna miss
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some of the features that are gone.
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And yeah, like this is the type of thing where I think
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someone had an idea a long time ago
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of what settings should look like,
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and it hasn't really been revisited or rethought,
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and now it's just sort of spreading everywhere.
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Eventually it will be the same everywhere,
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but I feel like it's not.
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With the exception of having a sidebar,
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which is kind of like the iPad interface,
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like the phone just has the list of settings,
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then you sort of go into it and out of it,
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'cause it's a long, skinny screen,
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but on the iPad they have a sidebar,
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and on the Mac they have a sidebar as well,
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and presumably the Mac window is resizable or whatever,
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but there are legacy concerns here
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for third-party preference panes
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and how they're gonna work and how they lay themselves out,
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and just for the first-party ones.
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I don't like the idea that every time Apple redoes something,
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we should just assume there's gonna be a year
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of using an app that a third-party developer
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would have been embarrassed to release.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, if you were, if you made a third-party app
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and it was like Mac shortcuts for an entire year,
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it wouldn't get reviewed well.
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Like, people would review it and say,
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this app looks kind of like it's, you know,
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it needs more work, it needs more polish, right?
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We don't, but nobody reviews Apple's apps like that.
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You don't have a choice.
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You like a better shortcuts app, tough luck, right?
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You like a different settings app, tough luck.
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This is the one you get.
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And so we just all have to stomach it for a year.
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But honestly, and this is prejudging.
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It's the very first beta.
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Maybe this will be awesome by the time it's released.
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But I feel like the bar for when Apple
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does a new version of an app should be much higher than it
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It shouldn't be like, oh, it's OK
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that it will be cruddy for a year
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with a bunch of obvious bugs.
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That shouldn't be acceptable.
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Yeah, well, and also, I think Apple
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has some reputational debt to possibly pay off or make worse
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here, because when they've recently rewritten Mac
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apps, like think about Disk Utility.
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They rewrote Disk Utility and the new version of it
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was much worse than the old one for a while.
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In certain ways it might still be.
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They don't have a lot of great history
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of tackling major rewrites of stuff on Mac OS recently
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with high quality in mind.
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Usually the replacements are worse than what they replaced
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if it's like a direct rewrite or something old.
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And so if they're getting better at that, great.
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they have to show us and they have to establish
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a new baseline of good performance there.
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But it remains to be seen whether they're actually
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doing that or whether these rewrites
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will actually end up being worse.
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- And also I have to say for existing system purposes,
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since I've been spending some time on my wife's
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new computer and everything, a lot of them over
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the recent years have basically had little web views
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inside them, in fact some people like you can do this thing
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where you can bring up the WebKit inspector
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and start inspecting the little web views
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that you didn't know were web views.
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sort of the expectation of polish,
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of like there's this pane that you're gonna see
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that's gonna be populated by WebKit views,
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but you won't know the WebKit views
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and there's no reload button,
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you don't see when there are errors.
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It shows up with like, when I go into the Apple ID stuff,
02:24:44
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I was trying to do stuff with Apple ID or Apple Pay,
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sometimes things just either don't display
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or you have to know, like when it says
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your Apple ID settings need to be updated.
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You're familiar with that one, you get a little badge
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and it wants you to do something.
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You do the thing and you just have to know from experience.
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after you do the thing that it wants you to do,
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which is usually entering some password or something,
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you just have to wait like five to 17 seconds.
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And don't touch anything during this time,
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but just, there's no indication that anything is happening,
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but just be aware that there are HTTP requests in flight
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behind the scenes, and there's nothing additional
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that you need to do, and if you click away
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and go someplace else, you will not have done it.
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So just wait, wait, wait, and if you're lucky,
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then the screen will update, and it's like,
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oh, now we've done the thing.
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Sometimes you click into something,
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and it'll just be like a blank gray screen,
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and nothing will work.
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Sometimes you'll try to add your Apple card to Apple Pay
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and it will go through a bunch of things
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and it will say, "Sorry, I couldn't edit.
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"Try again or cancel."
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And it'll be like that for an entire day
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and you have no idea why, but tomorrow it will work.
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These are unacceptable for a settings app.
02:25:41
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Settings app should be like,
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there's a bunch of stuff that you do and it works.
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If I change my DNS, it should change my DNS.
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If I change the screen resolution, it changes it.
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There shouldn't be like crashing bugs or display errors
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or inability to resize the window
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in the system settings app.
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It is like, I don't know why I'm so obsessed
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with this system, SoundGap.
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It's not like I spend all day in there,
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but it's like, this is fundamental.
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This is just like, I feel like it should be like
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low degree of difficulty UI.
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You are changing some settings about the sound.
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The sound input should be X, the sound output should be Y,
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the volume should be this.
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That stuff should just work 100% of the time.
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And you know, just to be fair, the sound one does.
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But I feel that way about all of them,
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and especially the Apple ID stuff, which is so fraught.
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That whole world, when I click on like my little face
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and going to the Apple, I think, feels so fraught to me
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and it's so delicate and I have to be so careful
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and some huge percent of the time,
02:26:32
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something just doesn't work
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and I just know to come back in a day or two
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and then it will work.
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That's not a good experience.
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I really hope that gets better.
02:26:38
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- Can we move on to iPad OS 16, please?
02:26:41
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- Let's do it.
02:26:42
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- All right, so first of all, speaking of segues,
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I enjoyed the Kyle cameo earlier.
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What was going on with the Baywatch-style slow run
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that was happening in this segue with the--
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- Should've done running up that hill,
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but they didn't do it and neither one of you
02:26:56
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gets that reference, so that's fine.
02:26:58
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- Someone made that on Twitter, I will find the link
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for the show notes and put it in there.
02:27:01
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- All right, you do--
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- For the people who do get the reference.
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- I mean, I think this, iPad OS 16 has the biggest
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finally moment of the whole keynote.
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There is now finally an Apple weather app for the iPad.
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- But no calculator.
02:27:17
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- No, that's, it can't handle that.
02:27:20
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- Next year, next year, you're gonna save something
02:27:21
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for next year.
02:27:22
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- Yeah, and by the way, and this was accompanied
02:27:23
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by the subtle announcement of the WeatherKit API,
02:27:28
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which effectively, it's more detailed
02:27:31
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in the State of the Union,
02:27:32
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but it's basically the Dark Sky API.
02:27:34
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They even have pricing for high volume use
02:27:36
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that's very close to Dark Sky.
02:27:38
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It's basically Dark Sky API at the system level,
02:27:42
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and it's fantastic.
02:27:43
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If you look at the API for it,
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it's like you don't have to make web service calls
02:27:48
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or anything like that.
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You just call WeatherKit dot conditions or whatever,
02:27:52
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And it's an async thing, and when it returns,
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it gives you your weather.
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It's really, really great.
02:27:58
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That, I think, is gonna be fantastic.
02:28:01
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It's such a big finally on the iPad weather front,
02:28:03
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but yeah, I think WeatherKit is a really, really cool thing.
02:28:06
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And it's glad to see that they didn't just buy Dark Sky
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to have weather data for themselves.
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They also are continuing it as an API for people to use,
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and that's great.
02:28:17
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- Yeah, and I believe the pricing is pretty competitive,
02:28:21
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if not great, from what Underscore said.
02:28:23
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So yeah, this is pretty awesome.
02:28:26
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- It was half the price, I think.
02:28:27
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- Oh, so it's even better.
02:28:28
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- Yeah, we have a link to his tweet about it somewhere.
02:28:31
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- Fair enough.
02:28:33
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We get some collaboration features.
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We get Freeform app sneak peek,
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which is I guess like a whiteboard app,
02:28:42
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which looked really, really cool.
02:28:43
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- Yeah, collaborative whiteboard basically.
02:28:46
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- They had a bunch of this collaboration stuff,
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like thread throughout the whole presentation.
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In fact, not just the iPad OS section of all these different applications and APIs so you
02:28:55
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can have multiple people do a thing with your app at the same time.
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And it reminded me of an Apple version of what has always been the Google ethos for
02:29:05
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their entire online office system, if they don't call it that, like Google Docs or Google
02:29:10
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Sheets or whatever.
02:29:11
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Google is, or Google Wave for that matter, a lot of things that Google does have inherently
02:29:16
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be multi-user and multi-user simultaneous or sub-eth edit to go back in the day of Mac
02:29:23
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And Apple has those features on some of its apps and now it has more APIs to make that
02:29:28
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And I endorse this, but the thing about collaboration is if it is buggy or broken in any way, it
02:29:36
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might as well not even exist.
02:29:38
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Because it scares people away or worse, it doesn't scare people away and they use it
02:29:41
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and they lose data and it just makes people angry.
02:29:43
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It really needs to work in a way that you don't think about it
02:29:46
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We have multiple people editing this ATP show notes document all the time and we never think about it
02:29:52
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We just go do it happens all the time
02:29:54
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No amount of our brain power is spent worrying about conflicts or bugs or I type this thing that didn't save
02:30:00
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Whereas I've done multiple collaborations and multiple people commenting on like a word
02:30:05
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Document and the latest and greatest version of word on multiple platforms and it sucks so bad
02:30:11
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All you do is think about it should I what you end up messaging people in teams and saying can I go in the document?
02:30:18
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Have you had your comment? I don't see it yet. Oh, it does updates wait. No, did you say if I didn't save the documents?
02:30:23
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Locked I can't do a thing
02:30:25
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Apple hopefully, you know as these API's and does it as well as Google with an interface that's trying to be like Microsoft
02:30:32
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although I have to say with Microsoft native apps
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I usually preferred back at my day job to use the web version of Word or the web version of Excel
02:30:41
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because they had better, more reliable interfaces
02:30:44
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for multi-user collaboration than the native versions.
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That is wrong and should not be that way.
02:30:49
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So where did Apple fall in this spectrum?
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Are they reliable?
02:30:53
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Would I rather use a web interface?
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Is there a web interface?
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I hope they do a good job with it
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'cause collaboration is a thing
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that I think we all take for granted,
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which is why they're adding these features
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and I think it's a great thing to add.
02:31:04
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In particular, the freeform app I was excited about,
02:31:07
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not because I wanna have an infinite whiteboard,
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because whenever I'm on a FaceTime call with family,
02:31:11
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I miss the old iChat feature of, like,
02:31:13
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"Let's look at pictures together,"
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because they want to see, "Oh, we went on a trip,
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and there's a bunch of pictures."
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And then we end up having to, like,
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message the pictures to each other
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and then switch out of the FaceTime app
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to go look at photos, and my parents get confused
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about multitasking.
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They don't know how to get back to the call or whatever.
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I just want us to all be together,
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and let's all look at the pictures together.
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It seems like Freeform might be able to do that
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as one corner of its vast functionality,
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And if so, I will use it and like it.
02:31:39
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- There was another mention about gaming,
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including background download API.
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Game Center is still a thing,
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which I completely forgot existed, but here we are.
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There's some SharePlay stuff with gaming,
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and I guess a bunch of that arrives later this year.
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Then they started talking about the serious stuff
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for serious iPad people, including desktop class apps.
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They were very excited about undo and redo
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across the entire system, availability view and calendar,
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tons of files app updates, inline find and replace,
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user customizable toolbars, and desktop class app APIs.
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- As I said on Twitter, you've heard of Mac-assed Mac apps,
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so this is Mac-assed iPad apps.
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An iPad app, but with flexibility and features.
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So commensurate with the hardware
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that it is running on, in theory.
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- In theory.
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All right, then there's going to be a reference mode,
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which is for photo and video editors
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to get reference color on screens that support it.
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And then I think everything from here on requires M1 iPads.
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I might have that wrong, but I think that's the case.
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- I believe that's true, yes.
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- One of the things that is new is display scaling,
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which I guess basically lets you make everything smaller
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if you actually have good eyes, which I do not.
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- Well, it's super important for the stage manager feature
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because if you don't want your screen real estate
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in terms of information display being eaten up
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by that little column of stage manager things on the side,
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scale the whole interface and now suddenly you're,
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what was previously filling your screen,
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all those same pixels are there,
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just squished a little bit to make room on the side
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for the stage manager thing.
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And this, I think this makes perfect sense.
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- Would the piles be called actors?
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'Cause you know, stage managers,
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like you know, you manage actors.
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- That's a very good nerd joke.
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- Actors are a different thing.
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These are definitely piles.
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But not like the disease.
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Although, I remember reading patents for piles ages ago
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for the Finder, this is not quite the same thing.
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Those are more like piles of files in folder.
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- Well, I think they were called stacks.
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Pile is not an appealing term.
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- No, they were called, I'm thinking back past stacks.
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- Oh, yeah, yeah. - There was a thing called
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piles, you know, a name not chosen
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for any release thing, I think.
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Yeah, so just like on your laptops and on your Mac,
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you can scale the screen resolution if you choose to.
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That's a perfectly appropriate feature for iPads.
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We should have had it years ago,
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and now it's even better to come with Stage Manager.
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and Stage Manager makes a lot of sense on the iPad
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as their attempt to improve multitasking.
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They didn't go with, it's just like the Mac,
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'cause again, the Mac has a huge list of features
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for managing Windows, plus all the manual stuff.
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The iPad has a more coherent story.
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There's not a huge list of features, there's this.
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This is the, you know, there's the previous thing,
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slide over and splitting the screen and everything like that
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and now there's also this thing,
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which is like multiple overlapping resizable windows
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but not complete freedom.
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The system itself makes some decisions
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about the overlap it seems for you.
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I can't tell from the demo
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whether those decisions are just the initial decisions,
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after which point you can manually move things as needed.
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I hope that's the case,
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because any kind of decision that the system makes for you
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to be intelligent, probably knowing Apple,
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makes an arrangement that looks nice aesthetically,
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but when you have multiple overlapping windows,
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It's important, based on what you're doing,
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to see specific parts of specific windows
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to complete your task.
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And the OS can't know what those parts are
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because it doesn't know what you're doing.
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That's why windows are movable and resizable.
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So you can arrange multiple windows
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so you can see the parts of the windows
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that you need to see right now
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to do the specific thing that you're doing.
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And it will be very frustrating
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if the system arranges windows
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and you try to move one up a centimeter
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so you can see this line of text
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that you're trying to grip from
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and it just slides back down.
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It says, "No, no, no, you shouldn't be up a centimeter,
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"you should be down a centimeter.
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"This looks better, doesn't it?
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"It's a better composition."
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It's like, "No, I'm not making a screenshot for marketing.
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"I need to see what's in that window,
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"so let me arrange them how I want."
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So I don't know how this works,
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but I really hope that essentially
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you can manually override any decision it makes for you,
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because the whole point of overlapping windows,
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overlapping resizable windows is,
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you have to be able to move them
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so you can see the stuff that you want.
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It doesn't mean you have to be forced
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to move them all the time.
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can make smart decisions for you as initial defaults,
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but I really, really hope there's a way to move them out.
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Because the alternative, the other ones,
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like tiling and everything,
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you didn't have to worry about overlap.
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Nothing was ever obscured.
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You just had to worry about sizing.
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And even that, you had control over it.
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You could decide how much of the screen,
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the vertical screen you wanted for each one,
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or you decided how, well, slide over was kind of limited.
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But you had a little bit of control there,
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but at least you didn't have to worry about overlapping.
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Once you allow overlapping, there has to be manual control.
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So I'm very curious to see how they've done this.
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And all that said, I think it's the right decision
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not to force everyone to manually arrange everything
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because people are not good at that and don't like to do it.
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That's why they zoom everything to full screen.
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And the iPad shouldn't be that experience.
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So the defaults will probably be fine for most people
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and even the defaults for overlapping are probably fine
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in a lot of cases, but please, please let me.
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I made a joke about the janitor,
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people don't remember this back in the day, Steve Jobs.
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I think it was Steve Jobs had made a derisive comment
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a few times about how having to arrange Windows on your Mac
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made him feel like a janitor.
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It's like, I don't want to have to be the janitor.
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I want the computer to do it for me.
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But that's a nice dream, right?
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But actual janitors in real life are human beings
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who have intelligence, whereas your window manager
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and your computer has no idea what you're doing
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and can't talk to you or figure that out.
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So yeah, if you're going to have overlapping windows,
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no matter how much the system does for you,
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iPad OS 16 at least is letting you finally be the janitor
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that we all want to be every once in a while.
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- And to me, the biggest shock of this announcement,
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possibly my biggest surprise of the day today is...
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(upbeat music)
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Oh my God, so you know what just happened?
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- Zoom crashed. - Zoom crashed.
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- No, it didn't.
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- What just happened is, so I'm using the hotel internet
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and when I got here approximately 24 hours ago--
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- Oh, it timed out, yeah.
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- Yeah, I-- - Oh, no!
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- I agreed to the terms of service
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and told it, like, give me the better internet
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for five bucks a day.
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Well, it's been 24 hours and it just cut me right off.
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- Oh, that's so bad.
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- You have to insert five more dollars
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to continue this podcast.
02:38:12
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This is the grim future that dystopian novels
02:38:16
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in the '80s described.
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You'll be using your computer
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and at a certain point it will say,
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no, sorry, no more computer for you, insert $5.
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- I mean, honestly, that's how a lot of
02:38:25
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in-app purchases work in games.
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Like, that's directly, we already have that, it's terrible.
02:38:30
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- There's an energy mechanic and we have to wait a week
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before we can podcast again.
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Or we can pay to podcast sooner.
02:38:37
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- You gotta leave all this in, do like a Jeopardy.
02:38:39
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- Yeah, they want to hear our technical problems.
02:38:42
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- I don't know, man, this might be good enough
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for the real deal.
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- All right, anyway.
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- Oh, my word.
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- So what we heard was the most shocking thing,
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- And then you died. - I was discussing with Casey.
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Yeah, we couldn't guess what it was.
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- All right, so anyway.
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So the most shocking thing to me this whole day was,
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you know, the reason why iPads have not been able to
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show a whole bunch of apps on screen at once
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is not because Apple is like overnanny-ing you
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and saying you shouldn't have multiple windows.
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No, it's because iPads didn't have a lot of RAM
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until very recent models.
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And so, the way iOS has always worked,
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iOS has always had virtual memory,
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but it's never had swapping of the virtual memory
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back to disk.
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So what that means is it can do tricks with address space
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and stuff like you expect from any modern computer,
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but if it runs out of physical RAM,
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it wouldn't page out parts of memory to disk
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the way PCs and Macs have done for decades.
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And so, what that has always meant is that iOS
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can only keep apps running if it can keep them 100% in RAM.
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And so what you wouldn't want is,
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like on an iPad where you can show multiple apps,
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you wouldn't want one of the app that's literally on screen
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to suddenly have to get kicked out of RAM.
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And so that has always limited what they can do
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with multitasking in the past.
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And so I think the reason, so the giant shock today
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is that they are adding virtual memory swap support
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Now this is only on M1 Macs, and I think this is probably for performance reasons, but also
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M1 Macs have at least 8GB of RAM, so they already have a higher ceiling to begin with,
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and then the higher end models, I think the bigger capacities of the 12.9 at least have
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16GB of RAM, and they even said that now a very demanding app, something like Photoshop
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for the iPad, is now going to be able to address up to 16GB if it's available, and that's amazing.
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So now that they have swap, they're able to run
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many more apps at once without kicking them out of memory.
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And I think that was a prerequisite to having
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any kind of window management option on the iPad
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where you could have more than two or three apps
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running at once.
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So to have that now is incredible.
02:40:58
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And that's one of those things that if you,
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I would never would have thought that iOS would add swapping.
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I never thought that was ever on the table.
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- Why are you so shocked by that?
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Because the reason I'm not shocked at all,
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in fact I think it's long overdue,
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because look at how Mac hardware with literally the same hardware look at how
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m1 Macs perform like they're phenomenal and of course Mac OS 10 and Mac OS that
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have always had swap right like they don't you know that they don't bog down
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from thrashing constantly like the old Macs used to with spinning discs the
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SSDs are fast and the OS is good about using memory especially on a platform
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where you don't have to worry about 64-bit and 32-bits mixing which hasn't
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and been true of the iOS platforms forever.
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Why wouldn't it have swap?
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Is there something about the performance
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of an M1 MacBook Air running way more RAM-hungry applications?
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Is there something about that 16 gig or 8 gig MacBook Air
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that seems so horrendous that you would never
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put it on an iPad?
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No, it's fine.
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Swap is way overdue on the iPad line.
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And they were very cautious in rolling it out,
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confining it only to M1 models, which already have
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a reasonable amount of RAM.
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And I think it'll be great, because SSDs are way faster
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than they were even just a few years ago.
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And you don't want to swap,
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but an iPad class machine with an M1 in it,
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I think it's perfectly fine.
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I don't think anyone will even notice,
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especially since, as you noted, up until this point,
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every single iOS or iPad OS app out there
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has lived in a world where it is moments away
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from using too much RAM and getting killed.
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Because there was no alternative.
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If you fill up the RAM, something's getting killed.
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It's either gonna be you or other stuff
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that's running in the background,
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but eventually it'll be you.
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if you keep using memory, which is not how it is on the Mac.
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If you have a Mac, you have to keep using memory.
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It can use memory for a real long time
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before anything happens to it, right?
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But every single existing iPad OS app
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exists in this brutal world of low RAM,
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so they're gonna be model citizens, at least initially,
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in this world with swap.
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We'll see how it goes after that,
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but I think, you know, this is long overdue,
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and again, look at how someone
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with like an eight gig MacBook Air
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and ask them like, do you notice your machine swapping a lot?
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Does it bog down and get slowed?
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No, these machines are phenomenal.
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The M1 is amazing.
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I think this will be, it'll be great,
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and I think it will actually take a long time
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for iPad apps to start abusing this.
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- Yeah, and this is how, you know,
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if you look at what they announced,
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like you're able to have up to four windows
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on screen at a time per monitor,
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and you can have external monitors now with iPads
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where you have just more space,
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like the way monitors have worked on the Mac forever,
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so like, and that's a huge feature right there,
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like wow, external monitors now are much more useful.
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And you can then theoretically have up to eight apps
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with their windows on screen at once.
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- I didn't know that was a limit.
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You can only have four windows?
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What is this?
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- That's how, yeah, Craig said during the presentation,
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I can create groups of three and even four windows
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and you can have up to eight apps running simultaneously
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with an external display.
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- How many apps and windows do you think
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you can have simultaneously on an eight gigabyte MacBook Air?
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We're using apps that are--
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- Are any of them Chrome?
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- No, but I'm saying using apps that are not used
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to living in a world where they get killed
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if they use too much memory.
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Just like you can have so many windows open
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on a MacBook Air, you can have so many apps open, right?
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And they all run really well, and it's like,
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I guess, I mean, yeah, baby steps on the iPad.
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- Yeah, well, keep in mind, too,
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like iPads are really small screens.
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Like, you know, the 12.9 is the biggest,
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but when you're looking at like the iPad Air,
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that's a 10 1/2 inch or 11 inch-ish screen,
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you know, four windows on an iPad Air,
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that's gonna be cramped enough.
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I don't think you'd want a lot more than that.
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- Some of them could be like a mini player
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for Spotify up in the corner,
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plus a little YouTube thing playing in there.
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people can do things like they would do
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on desktop platforms, which is,
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well, some of my apps have a very tiny window
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just for a music player in the corner,
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or just for the thing that I'm watching in video,
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and plus a little tiny sticky note over there.
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The windows add up if you are allowed to have small ones
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and can arrange things,
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which this whole thing, this whole iPad OS 16,
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the feature set, the desktop class apps and everything,
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makes me think once again that it's kind of a shame
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that the biggest iPad you can get
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is the size of Apple's smallest laptop screen.
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'Cause once you have an OS
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where you wanna have desktop class apps, multiple windows,
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external display to support, cursor support,
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keyboard support, and the biggest screen you can get
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is 13 inches, where's the 16-inch iPad Pro?
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Where is the, you know, I'm not even saying drafting table,
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like, you know, oh, 60 an inch,
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who would ever wanna lug around something like that?
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People lug around 60 inch laptops,
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they have a keyboard attached,
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and they have a 60 inch screen, it's fine.
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Like these still now, I feel like the,
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at this point, they've added enough features to the OS,
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that now the OS is asking the hardware to get bigger.
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Before you could argue that wasn't the case
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unless you were an artist and just needed a bigger canvas,
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but you're like, well, you know, 60 an inch,
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that would be wasted, but.
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Now that you can have multiple windows
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and the center stage stuff along the side and everything,
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It's time for a bigger iPad.
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- Well, possibly.
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I'm surprised by external display support
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in the sense that we finally got it.
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It's one of those things that we've been waiting
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and waiting and waiting again,
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and we've been getting baby steps, baby steps, baby steps,
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but it's here.
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But yeah, I don't know.
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I'm a little bummed that all this is M1 only.
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My understanding from having talked to a couple birdies
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is that that's not just to push people like me to upgrade,
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that there are components of the M1 that made this possible
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or portions of this possible.
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But nevertheless, it might finally be time for me
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to retire my four-year-old 2018 iPad Pro,
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and maybe it's time to upgrade.
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Although that's a bummer, because I don't feel like now
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in the middle of summer is the right time to upgrade an iPad.
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But we'll see.
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Well, they just updated the Pro.
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Like, fairly-- the Pro was, like, what, last fall?
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And then the Air was this past spring?
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I mean, that's pretty recent for that hardware.
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What part of the M1, besides having more RAM,
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do you think would be necessary for the features described
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I wonder-- the M1s, they probably
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have faster storage controllers and faster SSDs
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to begin with?
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- I believe that's what it is.
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I'm not certain about that.
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I could have that totally wrong.
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- I feel like the RAM limit alone is reason enough, right?
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- The RAM is probably the biggest limit,
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but I bet faster performance and the other stuff
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is probably part of it as well.
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Also, the M1 models also support Thunderbolt
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out of their butts, and so I wonder if they just wanted
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that to be better for supporting more displays out there.
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- Oh yeah, speaking of Thunderbolt,
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That's the other thing for iPad OS 16,
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the support for driver kit.
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So third parties can write drivers for hardware
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that you can't connect 'cause it only has one port.
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I mean, again, these things are,
02:47:36
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they're so powerful there.
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You've got the OS is becoming more powerful,
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the hardware's more, like, driver kit,
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I know, I know, you do a breakout box
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and so on and so forth.
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I just feel like there's a lot of room on these iPads
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for more than one Thunderbolt port.
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Tell me about the boxed lunches and boxed breakfast
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and boxed all the things.
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- All right, so I have to disclaim
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that the media people were like,
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we didn't have the same menu as the developers.
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Because we were not in the main Happy Max area,
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we were like on this little top deck area above it.
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So we had-- - Literally above everyone else.
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- So we had very similar things.
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We had some of the same dishes,
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you know, just this big buffet,
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you go up and take whatever you want.
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I did have a pastry for John.
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I had some avocado toast
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that included the micro horse radish.
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I had a bunch of what they had like vegan sushi.
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They had the little turkey sandwiches,
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little egg salad things.
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They were so much and I have to say,
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and there are two different meals,
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like you know, breakfast and a lunch.
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And I have to say the food was very, very good.
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And you know, even though it was clearly, you know,
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made in large quantity, being served, you know,
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kind of at room temperature,
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'cause that's how you do these large events.
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It was miles above and beyond
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any conference center food I've ever had.
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So much better.
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Anybody who has anything bad to say about this food
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has not traveled enough
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or has not gone to enough corporate cafeterias
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or enough conference centers or enough hotels or anything
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because it was fantastic.
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I will say the micro horseradish was also micro in taste.
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I did not taste it at all.
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I didn't see any bagels available in our area,
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so I couldn't have tried those.
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I also didn't see the lasagna available.
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However, everything I had was great.
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They had all sorts of great fruit flavors
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and spice flavors, and it was really, really nice.
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They had fresh squeezed juices,
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a whole coffee bar that I didn't even use
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'cause I went to Phil's earlier in the morning.
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- Did they have Adwala?
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That's the real question.
02:51:08
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- No, Adwala doesn't exist anymore, remember?
02:51:10
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It's gone forever.
02:51:12
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- Well, maybe they had a strategic reserve.
02:51:15
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- No, they had special apple juices,
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and not apple juice, but in juices by Apple, the company.
02:51:21
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But yeah, it was really great, and again,
02:51:24
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it's like yet another reason why, wow,
02:51:26
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this was way better than the old way
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of doing the conference, so I really hope
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they keep it this way, because yeah,
02:51:32
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among all the other benefits,
02:51:34
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the food is also a massive step up.
02:51:36
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- Nice, so what did you, it was the appetizers
02:51:39
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for breakfast or for lunch you were talking about,
02:51:41
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like the avocado toast, that was a breakfast thing?
02:51:43
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- What I said was kind of an amalgamation of both.
02:51:45
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Like they had, yeah, the avocado toast
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was there for breakfast, the vegan sushi was lunch,
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some of the sandwiches were breakfast,
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they had this great like falafel sandwich for lunch,
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they had turkey sandwiches, they had,
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and by sandwich I mean like they had like
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the little wedges pre-cut and you just go grab
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whatever you want, so it was small pieces
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and you take whatever you want.
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Again, and this is, I'm sorry,
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this is just the media section, I don't know,
02:52:06
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I didn't see, like we weren't allowed
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to go to the developer section,
02:52:09
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they might have had like larger portions
02:52:11
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things there as we saw on that menu.
02:52:13
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But yeah, it was just really good.
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And even the little croissant was really good.
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They had these little fruit cones.
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They had the cute little Caesar salads
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that were in these almost like these little crowns.
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Like it was just really good food.
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I was very, very impressed.
02:52:29
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I think I was even more excited about the food
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than I was about iPad OS.
02:52:32
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Like it was, and iPad OS was a pretty big update.
02:52:35
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But the food was just that much better
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than what I was expecting.
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Like it was very, very good.
02:52:39
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- I saw a lot of pictures of people posting
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like from the day before the keynote where they were visiting the developer center and they had
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like a bunch of people holding trays with food like one of the things a lot of people like
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pictures of the holding trays with like basically donuts or donuts or some kind of pastries things
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and it was i was so struck by so first of all the tray was it was like you know sort of pale wood
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kind of bamboo looking thing with like a rectangular thing with like one inch high like wall around the
02:53:03
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edges of the the tray and on it were these pastry slash donut things and there were like eight of
02:53:09
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them one two three four five six seven eight in perfect geometrical arrangement
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of like you know one inch board each one was on a square napkin each square
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napkin had a one inch border around it and all of them geometric it's like
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first of all if you saw that at a conference center if there was a tray
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they'd fit as many of those things on the tray as they could possibly fit and
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second of all they wouldn't be neatly arranged and perfectly centered in the
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napkins it was it looks so nice that like no one want to touch it because by
02:53:36
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by grabbing one you've now ruined the symmetry.
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And then these pastries look huge and I don't know,
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not particularly to my taste,
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but they look like you were grabbing
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like a miniature personal cake for yourself.
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And they look very sticky and very gooey and very like,
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I don't know if it was a forced perspective thing
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or whatever, like, I don't think it could finish
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one of those things.
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It'd be like, you have to take it
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and like cut it into four pieces
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and maybe four people could share one of them.
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But anyway, it looked very fancy, very ritzy
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and very caloric.
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- Yeah, I mean, no expense was spared.
02:54:10
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I mean, this is true, I think, of all,
02:54:11
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everything about Apple Park and the Developer Center
02:54:14
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and the Visitor Center, like, no expense is spared.
02:54:17
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And that makes sense for the World's Workless Company.
02:54:19
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Like, you know, usually, you know,
02:54:20
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Apple in many areas is quite stingy
02:54:24
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with some of their product decisions and everything,
02:54:26
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but they were not stingy with any part
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of building that building or the other buildings next to it.
02:54:32
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They were not stingy with any part of the food
02:54:33
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this event or anything like it was it was incredible I mean heck the event was
02:54:36
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free like you know you paid to get yourself here but you know when you get
02:54:39
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there there's no ticket or anything it's free like it was really great and yeah
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very just overall I have I have only amazing things to say about the event
02:54:49
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and the the campus and the buildings but yeah just the event in general this is
02:54:56
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such a clear win over the previous ways of doing things and even though we
02:55:00
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didn't have to pay for tickets and even though they you know serving us all
02:55:03
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these expensive personal cakes, I suspect this still costs them way less money than
02:55:09
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renting out a conference center for a week and all the logistics involved in that. This
02:55:13
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is probably way cheaper for them and it's way better. So again, I think this has got
02:55:19
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to be the only way to go going forward and that'll be better.
02:55:22
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Like you, Margaret, for demonstrating the thing I was describing on the last episode
02:55:26
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about press junkets for car journalists.
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'Cause like you get people in person
02:55:33
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in an environment that you can control
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and you can give them a good time in a way that you can't.
02:55:37
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'Cause when you go to the conference center,
02:55:38
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I would imagine these conference centers have contracts
02:55:40
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that you have to use one of our approved food suppliers
02:55:44
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and stuff like that and everything.
02:55:46
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I'm not sure this costs less money
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'cause it might have cost more,
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but at least Apple can get what it wants
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and has no constraints about like,
02:55:52
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look, you wanna have it in this convention center,
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here's the deal.
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And you can have it someplace else if you want,
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but if you wanna do it here,
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you have to use our food vendor
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and you have to do this and you have to do that.
02:56:00
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And that makes Apple limited.
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Apple may have wanted to give us better Bock lunches,
02:56:04
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but they literally couldn't unless they didn't have it
02:56:06
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in Moscow in the year, didn't have it in McHenry, right?
02:56:08
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Whereas if they have it on campus,
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all those limitations go away
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and they can do whatever the heck they want.
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Even if it includes putting only four pastries on a tray
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that could hold 97 of them.