467: The Strain Provider
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I am ever so slightly sick.
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I have a little bit of a cold.
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I did an at-home test this morning.
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- Wait, you realize you have Omicron, right?
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- So I did an at-home test this morning and said no.
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- All right, so here's a couple things to know.
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Number one, the symptom profile for Omicron
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is different than previous variants.
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It is much more common to get cold-like symptoms
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like stuffy nose than previous variants were.
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Number two, it's the at-home rapid tests that we all have,
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hopefully, are less sensitive to Omicron
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than previous variants.
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So, basically, I know so many people who,
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in the last couple of weeks,
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have gotten minor cold symptoms,
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and then later got a PCR test,
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and it turned out it was COVID.
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Basically, if you have a minor cold in the US right now,
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you probably have Omicron.
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That's much more likely than not.
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Even vaccinated and boosted,
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the vaccine and boost basically means
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that you're far less likely to die or go to the hospital,
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and you're probably gonna have mild cold symptoms
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for a few days.
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- Yeah, and the thought, so it's funny you say this
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because I was talking to Erin about it,
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and I was like, do you think this is the real thing?
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And she's like, nah, I don't think so.
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And then I was like, well, I don't know.
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- No, it is.
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Trust me, it is.
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- So I took it at home test. - Assume that it is.
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Take the precautions as if it is that
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because it probably is.
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- Well, so I took my at home test just to see,
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and that said no, I understand, I understand.
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You don't have to email me.
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I understand, that doesn't guarantee it's not
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by any stretch of the imagination.
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But anyway, I say, I bring all this up to say
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I'm a little snotty and a little, in every sense of the word,
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and a little nasally, so I apologize
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if I sound a little funky.
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It's not anything wrong with what Marco did,
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'cause I know people, anytime any of us sound weird,
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it's a testament to how good a job you do, Marco,
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that people immediately pounce on it,
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and they're like, "Wait, what happened?
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"Why is this wrong?"
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And so, it's not Marco, it's me.
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I've got a little bit of snots, so I apologize.
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- I have a mild cold all winter, every winter,
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for my entire life, so I don't know what that means.
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- You've had, you're typhoid-married.
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- I don't know, yeah.
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- Yeah, yeah, all right, what else is going on?
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- I'm still, I'm so tired from my baking adventure yesterday
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'cause like, I'm not a, okay, so,
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I make Tiff's birthday cake every year.
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She, it's our tradition that like,
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I make whatever she wants and she sometimes asks
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for simple things, sometimes complex things,
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sometimes she asks for something simple
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and I make it complex and I wanna make it fancy.
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That's what happened this year.
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I made it like a fancy pistachio cake
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that was kind of a hybrid of a bunch of recipes
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I found online and it was a good deal of work.
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I would imagine if you are a professional cakeologists,
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it probably would have taken you the morning at most,
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but because I am not and I bake once a year,
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everything takes me longer 'cause I'm being extra careful.
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I don't, like certain, sometimes I have to remake
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the frosting 'cause it doesn't come together or something,
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so it was a lot and I am still a day later.
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I feel like, so keep in mind, I went to bed on time,
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a little after 10, woke up at like 6.30,
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like my regular bedtime amount.
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I didn't have any alcohol yesterday,
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and I had the regular amount of caffeine,
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which is like one cup of coffee in the morning
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and a small green tea in the afternoon.
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And today, I still feel hungover.
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Like some-- (laughing)
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I don't know, I think it's just from doing
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a lot of stuff yesterday.
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- You have a baking hangover, you baked one cake.
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- You got a baking hangover, maybe it's not the baking,
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maybe it's like the stress of like,
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I hope this comes out well, like the pressure of,
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you know, your once a year baking performance.
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- I mean, I think it could also be that,
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like we don't have a ton of like strong sugar
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most of the time, and all day I'm like,
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oh let me taste a little bit of this,
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make sure it's right, so all day I'm having little tiny bits
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of very strong sugary things, culminating at the end
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with a slice of this cake right after dinner,
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so that's a lot of sugar right there.
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- Did you have it for breakfast the next morning
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as is tradition?
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- I sure did, I had it for breakfast this morning
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and felt awful all morning. (laughs)
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- I was gonna say, if you're already feeling bad
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and you feel like I had too much sugar,
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having it for breakfast the next morning is probably nuts.
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The hair of the cake that bit you.
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- Yeah, we all, all three of us, including Adam,
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all three of us this morning afterwards were like,
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maybe this wasn't a good idea
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to have all this sugar for breakfast.
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- I think Adam's probably fine, though.
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I bet he rallied fast.
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- Yeah, kids can definitely do it more than we can,
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that's for sure.
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But yeah, it's like now, you know,
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I'm turning 40 this year,
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and I'm not feeling great about that fact.
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One of the areas in which this is becoming real to me
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is just how many things that I can't or shouldn't
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eat or drink anymore.
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Like that list keeps getting larger.
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And it seems to have happened fairly quickly.
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I feel like at 35, I could eat and drink almost anything.
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And between 35 and now I'm like 39 and a half,
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that's gotten cut way back.
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Just because like, oh, if I eat or drink this thing,
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I'm gonna have a terrible night or morning or whatever.
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Oh man, they don't tell you this kind of stuff.
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This is gonna happen. - No.
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But as the joke is, the alternative is much worse.
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not being around anymore is much worse than getting old and not being able to eat like you used to.
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Well, you know what is good news though? And we can start with some follow-up.
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I'm back and better than ever, baby! Because guess what showed up this week?
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It's back, baby.
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Did they even tell you it was coming back? Did it just arrive at your doorstep unannounced?
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Or did they say, "Hey, we finished your repair. It's on its way," or whatever?
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Did you have to ask me that question, John?
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Yes, do you have to ask me this?
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So a certain somebody, I have,
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I have many wonderful qualities and I have a couple of not as wonderful
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One of my less desirable qualities is that I may not be the most patient human
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in the entire world.
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I in a rare case of me deleting a tweet when I was waiting for my Mac book pro
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to show up just a couple of months back,
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I was getting increasingly impatient and increasingly petulant about the fact that my beloved computer
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hadn't shown up when I wanted it to in the middle of a pandemic when shipping is a mess
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and everything around the world is a mess, but damn it, it's my computer and I want it
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So I whined about it on Twitter, which is what people do when they're whiny.
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And a few people in various ways said, "Stop being an idiot."
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And so I was like, "You know what?
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I am being an idiot."
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And I deleted that tweet.
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I found out that, or I realized that I had dispatched the monitor just a few days before Christmas.
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And this, I think I shipped it on the 20th of December or maybe the 21st.
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And it was now the 20th or 21st of January.
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And so I thought, okay, it is about time for me to start poking about trying to figure out where this thing is.
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Now, I have had a tab open, John-style, for a month now
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with the LG Track Your Repair status page thing,
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and it's told me for a month that it's pending.
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Well, that's not fair.
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I think before they acknowledged its arrival,
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they said, "We're waiting on it,"
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and then after a few days of it
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having been in City of Industry, California,
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they eventually said, "Okay, we're gonna get to it
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"at some point."
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- Does City of Industry sound like a parody place name
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from The Simpsons to anyone else?
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- It absolutely does.
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- Yeah, it sounds like something from a Disney movie,
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"City of Industry."
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- It very much does.
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It has a big Epcot feel to it, right?
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Experimental prototype community of tomorrow.
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Well, anyways.
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- Sorry, go on.
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- During the process of me begging LG,
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I don't remember how much we got into this,
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but during the process of me begging LG
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to take 150 or whatever dollars of my money
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so they would repair it, I eventually,
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and now I kind of regret having gone down this whole road.
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This is all your fault, John, you had to ask.
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I eventually used the "email the president" form on the LG website.
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This was weeks ago.
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Did you say, "Do you know who I am?"
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It's so tempting.
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No, you can't, no, please never do that.
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Because nobody cares who I am.
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You will regret it.
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Nobody cares who I am.
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Take heed from Merlin's bad experience.
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You will regret this.
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That's right.
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So I sent that and then actually, to their credit, within a few hours, I believe I got
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a phone call from like one of the president's peons and this very very kind woman was like
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all right I'm gonna get you squared away and she followed up via phone like a couple of
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times over over the span of like a week this is you know when I was trying to just get
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the thing to to them in the first place she was awesome she was like the only ray of sunshine
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in this entire repair process was was this woman at the at the president's office and
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so I emailed her because we had exchanged a couple of emails because she had actually
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asked me for something at some point. And so I said, "Hey," and I was very kind. I truly
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was very kind. I'm not going to dig up the email because I'm too lazy, but I was kind.
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I was like, "Hey, it's been a month. Can we figure out what's going on here?" And I sent
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that, I think it was like Tuesday morning or something like that. And we exchanged a
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couple emails back and forth and she was like, "Look, I'm going on vacation next week, but
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I super promise that when I get back, I'll check in." I was like, "No, no, no, that's
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fine. That's fine. That's fine. I'll talk to you after you get back from your vacation.
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worries. And I, you know, had raised a little bit of a stink about it, again, very politely,
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and then I went out to go for a walk that afternoon and there was a large box on my front porch. A
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large box on my front porch that I did not expect to see. And on the side of that front, of that box
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on the front porch, it said "repair okay" and it was an LG box. And I was like, "Oh my god, it's
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here!" So here it was, literally the day that I'm blowing up this poor woman at the president of
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LG Electronics office or whatever they are, saying please can you find my monitor?
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I'm a very needy, very spoiled white boy in Virginia. Please find my monitor. And
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sure enough it showed up. So that's how talented she is, is that she made it show
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up immediately. - Yeah exactly. How do you know that she didn't somehow make that happen?
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- Yeah exactly. - Like she flew her own personal helicopter to your house to drop it off.
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- They droned the 30 pound or whatever LG display. So anyway, so it showed up and
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there was absolutely zero documentation. There was a packing slip that had, you know, my address and
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whatnot, but that was it. No documentation, nothing that indicated that they had done anything other
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than the sticker on the outside that said "repair okay." But I had faith, and I plugged it in, and
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I've unplugged it on the computer side a couple times. I haven't unplugged it on the other side
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yet, but so far so good, baby. I'm back better than ever! So I am excited, and all jokes aside,
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you know, so I'd been rocking two 4K LG displays.
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Well, no, I actually didn't mind it.
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I kind of liked it.
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And now having the 5K display back,
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leaving aside, like I know we all, including me
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to some degree, kind of hate this particular 5K display,
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but having a large monitor in front of you
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is particularly delightful.
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And I can only fathom how delightful
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an additional K would be.
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Like I'm sure it would be quite nice.
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But I am all ready to go.
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I'm looking at the 5K right now.
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Ethernet is plugged into the 5K,
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and that hasn't died yet, so that's good.
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And then I'm using my, whatever this breakout box is,
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I already forgot who makes it,
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but I'm using the breakout box for,
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actually, I think they sponsored today.
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Iodine sent me a unit of theirs,
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which was very kind of them, which is very cool.
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This thing is extremely fast, it is super neat,
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and Marco will talk about that later.
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and I have that connected to the breakout box.
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I've got the USB pre connected to the,
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I'm sorry, the mix pre connected to the breakout box.
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So basically everything about this setup
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has changed since last week.
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And it'll be anyone's guess which one of these 74 components
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causes problems if problems happen later.
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And this is when Marco gets real angry at me.
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But hopefully it'll work out all right.
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I have to say, sitting here now
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before everything collapses on me during,
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shortly during the recording of this very episode.
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Once you're willing to basically turn your life upside down
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and spend heinous amounts of money
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on things you probably shouldn't need to buy,
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the USB-C lifestyle is pretty good.
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Being able to plug in the MixPre-3,
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two Thunderbolt cables to this iodine box,
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Thunderbolt to, let's see,
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oh, I've got a stand, a 12 south or whatever it is stand
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for my iPhone that's plugged in, I've got Ethernet plugged in, I've got all sorts of
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different things, probably like four or five different connections to this computer that
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are all riding through two USB-C connections. One of them is to the breakout box, the USB-C
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Thunderbolt hub, and one of them to the LG 5K. And, you know, if I were to plug all of
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these things individually, first of all, I couldn't because I'd run out of ports, but
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Second of all, it would be quite a few more cables.
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So I didn't mention, oh, I've kept the LG 4K
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that I purchased, and remember I had borrowed one
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from my last job, and I'm keeping the other one,
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the other LG 4K that I purchased,
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and that's currently off to my right-hand side.
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My laptop display is off to my left-hand side,
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so I've got a triumvirate, a trio of monitors,
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and it is extremely overkill, and I'm kind of loving it.
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But the 4K is also hooked into the breakout box.
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So I've got all this different stuff
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hooked into all these different places, but as long as they can find a way back to my
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computer, it's pretty great. And so if I want to go into like full-on business mode or whatever,
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then I plug in the breakout box and that gives me the second monitor, that gives me the Mixpre
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and all that jazz. But if I'm just rolling simple, I only have to plug in the LG 5K and
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I still have Ethernet on there and the one 5K monitor and I can go clamshell or whatever
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and it's fine. And so it stinks that I needed to get like a bunch of different cables and
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gosh do I ever hate the ambiguity around what USB-C cable handles, what bandwidth, and so on and so forth.
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But once you get yourself squared away with the right cables and the right $300 breakout box and
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and so on and so forth and the right $1500 monitor plus $150 for repair, once you get it all
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once you get it all squared away it actually is pretty nice. But gosh did this if this didn't take
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like two months to get this situation squared away
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to the point I like it.
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- Well, I mean, if you trade two months
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for about 4,000 more dollars,
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that's basically the Pro Display XDR story.
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It's a ton of money, but if you're willing and able
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to drop that, then this lifestyle can be very nice.
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Like, this is why I love the XDR.
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It's not because I needed a reference grade display
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for whatever, whatever.
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You know, having the slightly dim edge problem
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that it has still does bother me a little bit.
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But it's a really giant monitor,
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which hits upon Casey Happiness Factor number one
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at the beginning of the episode.
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And it's my main USB-C hub.
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At my desk, I don't need a USB-C hub
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because the monitor itself has downstream ports,
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the computer has downstream ports,
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and I have my old USB-A devices plugged into a different hub
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that I already had, just a USB hub.
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It's not like a USB-C or Thunderbolt hub.
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And so it's great.
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Once you have this set up, it's awesome.
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It costs a ridiculous amount of money,
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but it is fantastic if you can swing it.
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And this is why this really does make me
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very, very happy to use.
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This still remains by far my favorite computer setup
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I've ever used.
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I love the desktop laptop lifestyle still.
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It's just fantastic.
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And USB-C is part of that.
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because the thing with USB, it's still,
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it's kind of like your audio setup, not you, Casey,
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but it's kind of like one's audio setup.
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The golden rule of audio setups is like,
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once you get it working, never touch anything,
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because if you touch anything, you'll change it in some way,
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it'll be in a world of hell for weeks
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and you won't know why.
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USB-C and all this, and Thunderbolt and everything
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is like that.
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So I have so many weird conditions that I've had in the past
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or different setups in the present
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where I'll plug something in that should work,
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some setup that I have that should work,
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and it just randomly doesn't.
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Like I have this problem with our game streaming setup
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where I'm running all of these USB capture devices
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and USB webcams through the CalDigit Thunderbolt hub
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and into my MacBook Pro, but for some reason,
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like one of the capture things,
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we have three computers that we capture,
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so we have three little legato USB thingies to capture them,
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and one of them for some reason,
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won't work through the Thunderbolt hub sometimes.
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And if I plug it into my computer directly,
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but like into a different port, it works fine.
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Now, if I disconnect the computer that's plugged into it,
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like the input gaming PC,
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if I put this one particular gaming PC
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on a different USB capture device,
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then that capture device will start having the same problem.
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So it seems to be like whatever PC,
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or whatever capture device is connected to this particular
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PC can't work all the time from the USB port
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in the Thunderbolt hub, but will work every time
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directly through it.
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And like weird stuff, like I have a sound device,
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this MixPre that powers the audio for that setup,
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so that's also plugged into the USB hub.
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And that works all the time, asterisk,
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well most of the time.
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Occasionally, very occasionally,
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it'll blip out for a second and blip back in.
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I don't know.
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But this is like, this is the promise of like,
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so much of technology that we have today.
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It'll advertise like, oh, you can plug in X number
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of devices, it'll have X number of ports,
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and you can support all these things,
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and you'll see pictures all over the manufacturer websites
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of all these things.
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The devices, the computer manufacturers,
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the Thunderbolt hub manufacturers,
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and you'll see these wonderful pictures
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of some laptop surrounded by a million different peripherals
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all plugged into this one magical box and everything.
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And in practice, in real life, if you do that,
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you have maybe a 50/50 shot of it actually working.
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And when it actually does work,
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that's why I'm saying never touch it again.
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And right now, Casey, you have a setup
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that right now seems to probably maybe work.
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- Potentially, yes, Casey. - I've been using
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such a setup and it's glorious.
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And so I hope, I hope that this works for you
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because having been on the other side of it so often,
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having tried to actually use the equipment
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in the way that it claims to be able to be used
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and something just doesn't work so often,
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that when it does work, it is so, so glorious.
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- Right, and that's where I am.
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And to be clear, like you don't need a $1500 LG 5K,
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you don't need a $6000 Pro Display XDR,
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you can get one of the couple of hundred dollar
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USB Thunderbolt hubs or whatever they are.
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It's still ridiculously expensive,
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a couple hundred dollars for what is basically four ports.
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Like that is absurd. - Oh yeah.
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- But, but when it does work, like you said,
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when it does work, it is pretty great that, you know,
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with two cables, I've got power, I've got ethernet,
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I've got a USB mic interface,
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I've got two different displays,
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I've got two connections, two parallel connections
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to this 12 terabyte iodine thing.
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That's seven, eight, seven, eight,
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I don't know, I can't count, something like that,
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off of just two cables connected to my computer,
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which is pretty excellent.
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And so when it does work, when you are a HDMI CEC Unicorn,
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when you are a USB-C Thunderbolt 4 Unicorn,
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it is pretty excellent.
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John, I think we kind of railroaded you there.
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It sounded like you were gonna say something.
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- Nope, I'm fine to hear about your exciting USB-C life,
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although I still think the ultimate move
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is the desktop life,
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because no matter how weird ass your setup is,
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if you have a desk, you can spend the time
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to get it set up the way you want it
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and then just never change it
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'cause it never goes anywhere.
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- Yeah, but that's the thing, it never goes anywhere.
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So if you wanna move your butt or work somewhere else,
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- I would never leave in my comfy chair,
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my giant screen and my keyboard tray and my nice mouse.
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Why would it go anywhere else?
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- A nice mouse, your $10 40 year old mouse?
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- No, I guess we've gone through this.
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This is my second replacement Microsoft mouse thing,
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you remember?
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All right, we should move on.
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I apologize for kind of railroading
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follow-up copyright 2011 John Syracuse.
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So speaking of John Syracuse,
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tell me about QD OLED and blue LEDs, please.
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- This is, there's actually two things about the blue LEDs.
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I gave myself a correction on the past show
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where I talked about QD OLED,
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and QD OLED is the one with the blue backlight.
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And I said it, I wasn't sure why it was blue,
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but I do know it's easier to make them
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like bright and high power or whatever.
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But there is another reason specifically for QD OLEDs
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have blue LEDs in them producing the light.
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That's from Simon Webster.
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He says the reason blue LEDs are using QD OLEDs is that blue photons have the highest
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A single blue photon can make a red photon, but energetically you need multiple red photons
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to make a single blue photon.
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Again this has to do with the way quantum dots work.
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See that video that we linked in a couple shows back that it's the photons coming out
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It's not a backlight because it's behind every pixel, right?
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out of the little LED goes into the quantum dot layer and knocks a bunch of electrons
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around at different energy levels. And if you send in a blue one, it's got the most
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energy so you can make all the other colors from the blue one. Again, this is not filtering
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or canceling out wavelengths. This is converting the blue. It's not converting. Anyway, it's
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complicated. It's quantum whatever. But yeah, blue, they're easy to make. They can be really
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bright and also they have the highest energy so you can get the other colors from them.
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right along, John Mason writes, "Apparently Sony Interactive Entertainment, without the
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rest of Sony, is still much higher revenue than Activision Blizzard." This is because
00:24:00
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we were talking about how big is Sony, really.
00:24:02
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- Yeah, we got some guff for saying like, oh, Microsoft will be the third biggest company,
00:24:06
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but Sony was number one. I'm like, oh, well, Sony makes tons of stuff. They don't just
00:24:09
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do video games, but apparently just the video game part. And this was in terms of revenue.
00:24:13
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So obviously, Sony sells consoles as well as getting margins on the games, but then
00:24:17
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again, so does Microsoft. So I guess it was more of a fair comparison than I had thought,
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and Sony Interactive Entertainment
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is actually really, really big.
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- Turns out.
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We got a lot of feedback, which I thought was reasonable
00:24:27
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from what little I know about this world,
00:24:29
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with regard to Xbox Game Pass and the Series S.
00:24:33
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Can you explain this to me, please?
00:24:34
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- Yeah, this should have been factored into,
00:24:36
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I think we touched on it a little bit,
00:24:37
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the Activision Blizzard thing,
00:24:40
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with Microsoft buying them, what do they get from that?
00:24:41
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- Well, and also this came from an Ask ATP, I think,
00:24:44
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with regard to which system should somebody buy.
00:24:47
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- Yeah, but it was tied into
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the Activision Blizzard discussion
00:24:50
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because it's like why does Microsoft want to buy
00:24:54
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all these games and everything?
00:24:55
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Obviously you can get a platform exclusives
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to sell more of your Xbox consoles,
00:24:59
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but also Microsoft has been pushing heavily into selling,
00:25:03
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instead of selling people a console box
00:25:06
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and then selling people games for 60 bucks each,
00:25:08
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instead trying to get them on a subscription
00:25:11
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to say every month you pay a certain amount of money
00:25:13
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and in exchange for that, you get access to many, many games
00:25:17
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sort of a Netflix style thing or whatever.
00:25:19
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It's much more like Netflix than it is like Spotify
00:25:21
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or Apple Music because I think with music streaming services,
00:25:24
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the assumption is that if you pay a monthly fee,
00:25:27
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you get access to essentially all music.
00:25:29
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Not entirely true, like if you want Neil Young,
00:25:30
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you can't get it in Spotify anymore.
00:25:32
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But like for the most part,
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you expect every music streaming service to have like,
00:25:38
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the most popular music,
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almost all music will be there or whatever.
00:25:43
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But Netflix or a streaming service like, you know,
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HBO Max or Amazon or Apple TV Plus or whatever,
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you know they're not gonna have everything,
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but they have a lot of stuff.
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And if you had to buy every movie
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that you can watch on Netflix or whatever,
00:25:59
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it would cost you a ton,
00:26:00
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but if you pay a small amount per month,
00:26:01
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Netflix will give you access to all its original content
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plus any other stuff they have or whatever.
00:26:04
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So that's the idea behind these Xbox Game Pass things
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is you pay a fee per month
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and you get access to a lot of games.
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And you can get many, many more people paying that fee
00:26:15
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if you add lots of popular games to the Game Pass.
00:26:19
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Now, that flies in the face a little bit
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of business models like World of Warcraft,
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where people are already paying every month
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for World of Warcraft, so I'm not sure
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how they could put that into Game Pass,
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because Game Pass alone costs about the same or less,
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I think, as World of Warcraft does per month.
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But still, it's a different way to run that business.
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PlayStation's winning this generation,
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and so they're, you know,
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Microsoft trying different things,
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because they wanna find the best way they can
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get a steady revenue stream from you.
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In fact, Microsoft will go as far as to, you know, we talked about renting game consoles
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from Blockbuster, Microsoft will rent you a game console.
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For no money down, you just pay them X number of dollars a month, and part of that X number
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of dollars a month is they will give you a lesser Xbox without you having to pay, you
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know, you pay the first month's 30 bucks or whatever, and you get an Xbox and you get
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access to a whole bunch of games, and then you just keep paying that over and over.
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I'm not sure if that business model is going to win or not,
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but it is definitely attractive.
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And the reason that goes into the Ask ATP thing
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is a lot of people were saying,
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look at this great deal you get.
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You can find the lesser Xboxes, the Xbox Series S.
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You can actually find them
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because they don't use as fancy parts as the other ones.
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You can go to a store right now, go into a Target
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and buy one off the shelf, easy to find, right?
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You don't even have to put down money up front
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if you don't want to, if you sign up for the Game Pass.
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And then once you're signed up for the Game Pass,
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you have access to this big catalog of games
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and you didn't have to buy any of them.
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So the financial risk to find out
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what kind of game you like is low.
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Unfortunately, like I said,
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with the streaming service versus game service,
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Game Pass does not give you access
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to all the games in the world.
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It doesn't even give you access to a very big subset of them.
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The types of games that are on Game Pass
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may not actually even be representative
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of the world of games that's available,
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even just across PC games and Xbox games.
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Because as you can imagine, the very, very best games
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have some motivation to be $60 individual purchases
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for the length of time that they can do that
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before sort of being relegated to Game Pass.
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Of course, if Microsoft owns them,
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they can choose to take the hit quote unquote, not really,
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because Microsoft would much rather have you pay $30 a month
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for five years than to buy one $60 game.
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Like the math is very easy to do there,
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but Microsoft owns the game,
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they can put it into Game Pass
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and crank up that services revenue.
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So I think it was worth mentioning if people didn't know
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how console gaming has changed.
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You do have options now, other than just buying a console
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for a couple hundred bucks and then buying $60,
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paying for each game for $60.
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Sony is also rumored to be working
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on a Game Pass style subscription.
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So this may be the future of console gaming.
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Kinda sucks for me because I don't wanna do that at all.
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I'd much rather buy the console, buy Destiny,
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and then just use it for five years
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without having to pay again.
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Well, that's not really true
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because Destiny sells you expansions every year
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for probably another 60 bucks.
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And I always get the fancy version
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and then I buy horse armor in the game
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and you know how it goes.
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- Horse armor?
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Like armor for--
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- That's a gamer joke.
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People will get it who are not you.
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- Is it armor for horses or armor made for or of horses?
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- It's armor for horses.
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You don't know that from back in the day?
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- This is a big thing in the gaming world.
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When the first game company decided,
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you know what, we can sell things inside the game
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but for real money.
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And people are like, what are you talking about?
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You can't do that.
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"No, but Boyd, what if we found a way
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"to take people's credit card?"
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And then they would give us money,
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and then in exchange we'd be like,
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voila, your character has this item.
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And the first thing they sold was armor for your horse.
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It was horse armor, and people paid real money for it.
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And they're like, "You paid real money
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"for thinking a video game,
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"and now that's what video games are."
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Like, that's all video games are.
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Like, mobile gaming is paying real money
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for things inside a video game.
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Often the thing you're paying for
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is just a chance to play the game again sooner.
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you're not even getting horse armor.
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The first ever DLC, downloadable content,
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but downloadable is one word, so why is it DL?
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It's so terrible.
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- Oh my gosh, all right, let's move on.
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- Wait, but before the game,
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so this actually does change my recommendation.
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So this came up as cases from the AskATP question
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from a person who had said,
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hey, I'm just getting back into gaming
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after a long time away, I don't really know where to start,
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what system should I get?
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I didn't really know what kind of games they wanted.
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And I had said get a Switch because I have a Switch
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and I came to it from a similar point
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and I really enjoy it and my family really enjoys it.
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But I will say I have bought a lot of games
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that were a lot of money that I ended up playing
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for a few minutes and realizing,
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oh actually I don't really like this after all.
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But it's all just download purchases
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that I made on the Switch and you can't really,
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some of them have demos but a lot of them don't.
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Most, I would say most don't.
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And so the idea of like try before you buy
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in that kind of context doesn't really exist
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very much on the Switch.
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And so to know that the Xbox Series S,
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and like you know for a casual person like me
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and probably this person writing in,
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the difference between the Series S and the Series 10X,
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whatever the impossible one is to get,
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probably doesn't matter to us so much.
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But like the idea of being able to pay zero to $300
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for the system and then just pay some reasonable monthly fee
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to have access to lots of games,
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even if they're like kind of old or second tier,
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Netflix quality kind of games.
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Like that's fine because that's kind of what we need.
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Like people who are not into the cutting edge of everything,
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that's great actually.
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And so this changed my recommendation.
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I had no idea this even existed
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and we got such an overwhelming number of people
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writing in to say how great it was
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that yeah, so now I now recommend to this person,
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anybody in a similar situation,
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that's probably what you should try first
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because the idea of being able to try
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a whole bunch of like, you know,
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really good quality games, even if it's not everything,
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a whole bunch of really good quality games
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for a flat fee every month, you know,
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that's very attractive compared to
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buy this game for 60 bucks that you might like
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and you have no recourse if you don't.
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- Doesn't change my recommendation
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because like I said, it's not that these aren't
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top tier games, there are absolutely top tier games in Game Pass, like super duper top tier
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the best of the best, but it's just not every kind of game.
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If you don't know what kind of game you're into, if you're into games that are only on
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PC, Game Pass is going to do nothing for you because you're not going to like any of the
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games, and you're going to have a crappy console on top of that.
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So I feel like it is important to know what you like first.
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Now that leads to the question, okay, how the hell am I supposed to know what I like?
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Unless I'm going to be plunking down 60 bucks for games.
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is the hard part. My suggestion last time was like find a game you think you like, play
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it over a friend's house, see if you do like it. A lot of people mentioned the person
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played Halo and liked it, so hey, if you've decided that Halo is the game for you, then
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actually this is the solution because you can buy an Xbox and play Halo on it, it'll
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work great. But if you don't know, like I was trying to like not fence people out of
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essentially PC games because there are a lot of games that are really only on PC or best
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on PC. Like if you want to use, I'm trying to think of an example, like a tank simulator,
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like World of Tanks. World of Tanks on Xbox maybe.
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How about Scorched Earth?
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Is that still...
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I was thinking of all the franchises.
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I was going to say Flight Simulator, but I think that's not even a franchise.
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It's one game from DOS from forever ago.
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Anyway, like, if it turns out that you're super into games that are only on PC and you
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have any console, you're going to be sad.
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And if it turns out that the game you like best is Super Mario Brothers, you're going
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to be really sad on Xbox.
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So you know, like, if possible, find out what you like.
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But if you really don't know and you're desperate now, this seems like a good deal.
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I'm just not big on the Xbox series S. I kind of wish that they did Game Pass with the better
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console and just charged you a little bit more per month.
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I don't know, but maybe they'd make you send it back if you didn't go through.
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I don't even know how that works.
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Can you pay for one month and say, "I've changed my mind.
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I canceled the service," and send it back to them, or do they make you buy out the rest
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of the console?
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Not sure what the deal is.
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But anyway, like I said, Sony is almost certainly going to come up with a similar program, so
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this may be the future of consoles for everybody.
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Well, and honestly, I don't think that's that bad of a thing, because I look at the games
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I play, and there are certain games like Minecraft or Stardew Valley that I paid 20 or 30 bucks
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for once, like five years ago or something, and I've gotten hours and hours and hours
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out of those games, I love them so much, and then other games that I paid 60 bucks for
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and played very little.
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If there was some way for me to more easily reward the games I'm actually playing over
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time in a more direct way and not be out the 60 bucks for something I played for five minutes,
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I think that would be more, not only more, I think, fair, but it would also be a little
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more consumer friendly in a lot of ways.
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I should buy some horse armor in Stardew.
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Yeah, and the game developers, I actually have a horse, it's adorable.
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You would buy armor for it, I bet.
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Nothing ever attacks it, and that would just make it slower, get rid of the point of the
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horse but anyway like I feel like you know obviously there's this kind of
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business model has its ups and downs as well but if something was based more on
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the time that you spent on something or if you just paid a flat rate and then
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you know the service behind the scenes dealt out the money based on what people
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were playing over time like that I think is probably a better way to go long term
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Olivier Rui writes you mentioned SMS interoperability bugs as a key problem
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with iMessage, but it's a question only Apple gets asked
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because they've merged their own messaging system
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with the SMS app.
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I've never heard of a WhatsApp or Signal user complaining
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that they can't interact with SMS.
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Everyone just assumes it's a separate world.
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This merge with SMS was a great way
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to jumpstart the iMessage platform,
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but the downside becomes increasingly difficult to hide
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as the two systems diverge.
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- I mean, yeah, Apple does get the benefit of that merge.
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I mean, obviously the iPhone launched without iMessage,
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so it only had SMS.
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And when rolling out iMessage, since it was from Apple,
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I think it would have been kind of weird to say,
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the SMS app is still there, but now it's also an iMessage app.
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And the interoperability was a feature,
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and it still is a feature.
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It should work better.
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And then as SMS--
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I'm not going to say as SMS ages,
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but obviously SMS is not getting--
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is staying the same.
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What's happening is that as iMessage evolves
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and as the competitive services evolve,
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the distance between SMS, which is essentially unchanging,
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and these modern messages service becomes greater
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and greater and then you get sort of these disparities between them.
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So yes, Apple did sort of sign up for this by merging them, but I think the merge was
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a good idea and I don't think we would prefer to be bouncing back and forth between two
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separate apps if we could help it, although at a certain point Casey probably would have
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done that out of frustration alone, just because like, "Look, does it work in the SMS only
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Then I will do that for when I'm communicating with my family."
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That's something a lot of people have sent feedback.
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They're like, "I have seven messaging apps and I just jump between them."
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And I guess that works, but it's not ideal.
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They're like keeping track of like work people
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are in this app and you know,
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and it's, but we do all do that for various things.
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- Yeah, I have to use Slack, Discord, Teams.
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- But like one hopes that with the exception
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of what you are forced to do with work,
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you don't have like five different apps of the same type,
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like five different email apps,
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unless you're Mike Hurley or something.
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Five different instant message apps.
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Like are you in Slack, Teams and Discord
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all at the same time for three different sets of people,
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maybe because of the Discord gaming angle or whatever,
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but that's less ideal than saying, okay,
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sometimes I'm in Slack, sometimes I'm in Messages,
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sometimes I'm in email, right?
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Sometimes I'm in Twitter.
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Those are all slightly different.
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The idea of having five apps
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that are all just essentially instant messaging
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as we used to call it back in the day is not what I prefer.
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That's why apps like Adium were created, right?
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Where it was all the instant messaging,
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people don't remember, but there used to be tons and tons
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of instant messaging services, all of which
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had lots of users.
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And they made one meta app that could speak to them all.
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So you could do Google Talk, ICQ, AIM, I think IRC.
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Didn't ADM do IRC as well?
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I thought it did.
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Yeah, it did everything you could possibly
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imagine in a single app, because all the protocols were
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more or less open and/or packed.
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Those were the days.
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But anyway, the reason that app exists
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is because who wants to run all those separate apps?
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But if you can put them on one app and do a decent job of it,
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that's preferable.
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Everything now is its own little garden
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and everybody wants their own garden
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for everyone to join.
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Like TV apps are like this,
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the streaming services are all like this.
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We are trying very hard to make podcasts not like this,
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but the reality is they are becoming like this.
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This is just how everybody wants,
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nobody wants to work on open standards anymore,
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nobody wants to interoperate anymore.
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Everybody is making their own gardens
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and everybody wants it to be all theirs,
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only theirs, owned by them, controlled by them,
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owning the whole stack, cutting up distribution,
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taking all the money.
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That's the modern way to do business in the tech world.
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So I feel like this is just kind of a reality
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that we're stuck with in many areas.
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Like yeah, you're gonna have five different apps
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to watch TV.
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You're gonna have at least two or three different apps
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to listen to your podcast or whatever,
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audiobooks, whatever else.
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You're gonna have 10 different chat apps,
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10 different collaboration apps,
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10 different messaging apps.
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That's just how it goes.
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- I mean, it's not like the instant messaging platforms
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were magnanimous back in the day.
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It's just that apps like Adium were able to figure out
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how to make it work.
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Like, there were third-party Slack clients, for example, too, because Slack technically
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has an API, but these days, an individual or small group of developers trying to ride
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that bear in a Steve Ballmer parlance is just so much harder.
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The degree of difficulty has gone up.
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If you tried to make a meta-messaging app that worked, especially when encryption is
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involved, you probably can't do it with iMessage through the end-to-end encryption stuff and
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the integration.
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It was just easier to do back.
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It was plausible to do back in the day that a small dev team could make an app like Adium,
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but it wasn't because AOL was super into people making their own clients, right?
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Or ICQ or, you know, I guess IRC doesn't care.
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- I made a off-handed comment last week about how,
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I was wondering how episodes or movies
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that are released only to Netflix or only to Disney Plus,
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How do they end up falling off the back of trucks and what was the story there?
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And we got we touched the three of us touched on it very very briefly and one of the things
00:42:33
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I think John brought up was industry screener DVDs that so what'll happen is
00:42:38
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people in the industry will get you know pre-release copies of movies on DVD or perhaps blu-ray and
00:42:45
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You know somebody could rip that and then upload it and then it'll start falling off the back of trucks
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Well, Matt Rigby writes, "Industry screener DVDs are still very much a thing. I've gotten dozens this year alone.
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Not Blu-rays, traditional standard definition DVDs. All but one of them for content available in streaming platforms that I pay for in beautiful 4k resolution."
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It is, and I'm still quoting, "It is freaking annoying and wasteful, and I wish they'd go away. Just email me a code."
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So I thought that was kind of funny.
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Additionally, a handful of people sent in, but I first saw it through Colin Weir.
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This is an article from 2019 The Scene, Pirates Ripping Content from Amazon and Netflix. And it's a really really good article.
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It's not terribly long and it'll be in the show notes.
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But I'd like to read just a few excerpts from it, from the article. Whenever you stream a video online,
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you are downloading chunks of a video file to your computer. Screeners simply save that content and
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attempt to decrypt it for non DRM playback later, an informant tells the author of the article.
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When accessing the content, legitimate premium accounts are used, often paid for using prepaid credit cards supported by bogus
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identities. It takes just a few minutes to download a video file since they're
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served by CDNs with gigabits of bandwidth. "Once the files are
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downloaded from the streaming platform, however, they are encrypted in the MP4
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container. Attempting to view such video will usually result in a blank screen.
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Nothing else. Streams from these sites are protected by DRM. The most common and
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hard to crack DRM is called Widevine. The way the scene handles web releases is by
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using specialized tools coded by the scene for the scene. These tools are
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extremely private and only a handful of people in the world have access to the
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latest version, the source notes. Continuing, "Without these tools, releasing
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Widevine content is extremely difficult, if not impossible, for most.
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These tools work by downloading the encrypted video stream from the
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streaming site and reverse engineering the encryption. Our contact says that the
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decryption is a surprisingly quick process, taking just a few minutes." I did
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not know about Widevine before now. Apparently it is very much a thing, and I
00:44:38
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probably should have known about it. But nevertheless, I found this entire article
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fascinating and I've kind of given you the the TLDR just now but they cracked the encryption like I said
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this is from the movies if you break the DRM the world is yours yep it's kind of it's kind of amazing to me that like
00:44:54
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the the crack is not as apparently as of 2019 not like not widely distributed like yeah I agree yeah
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I don't quite understand there's probably some motivation for keeping that private right like well
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so they talk about in the article that so the scene is kind of to the best I understand I might
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get the particulars wrong. The scene is like the broad kind of name for all of
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these different subgroups that are all like trying to compete to be the first
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one to release a particular thing. So I know about the scene. Well okay so I'm
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just saying so if you're one of these if you're one of these groups you're gonna
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want to have your own proprietary software that gets you it gets the DRM
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cracked so you can upload stuff in pre-release before anyone else and you
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don't want any other knuckleheads having your software that you worked in
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and you'll put blood, sweat, and tears into,
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you're gonna hoard that for yourself.
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- Right, but I feel like this type of thing,
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it's hard to keep a secret.
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You don't wanna tell everybody,
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and then once it gets out, shouldn't it just be everywhere?
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Not maybe the specific software,
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but very least, here's how we cracked it.
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Here are the secret keys that we extracted
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from some hardware device or whatever,
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or some insider in Netflix leaked this private key.
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And maybe the motivation is if Netflix finds out
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what thing has been leaked,
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they can do some kind of key rotation or something.
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I don't know.
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The whole point is DRM, it prevents things from being pirated, so that's why you can't
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take screenshots.
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All right, then this is, we're kind of getting into the gray area between follow-up and topic.
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The Netherlands has told Apple, "Haha, nope."
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So what has happened is the Netherlands has said that for dating apps, users in the Netherlands
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need to be able to provide payment via alternate mechanisms, you know, not going through the
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And so Apple came up with a scheme to satisfy that, and their official group, the ACM, I
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forget what that stands for now, shoot, ACM has said, "No, that's not enough."
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In fact, they said, "Apple has failed to satisfy the requirements on several points.
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The most important one is that Apple has failed to adjust its conditions as a result of which
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dating app providers are still unable to use other payment systems.
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At the moment, dating app providers can merely express their 'interest.'"
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And so this is the authority for consumers and markets from the Netherlands.
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That's such an Apple move.
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They're like, okay, all right, well, you know, you dinky little country with a population
00:47:14
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the size of two big U S cities has decided the dating app specifically have to be allowed
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to use third party payment methods.
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So we'll begin exploring a program which, which may allow you to use a special as yet
00:47:26
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unreleased Apple API through which we will extract our percentage to allow you to use
00:47:30
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third party payment systems.
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at our discretion.
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- And the Dutch authorities said,
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"Okay, well, time's up and you're not complying,
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"so it's time for you to, the penalty has been initiated,
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"and the penalty is five million dollars a day."
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Not five million dollars a day, what is it?
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Five million dollars?
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- Five million euros a week, I believe.
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- Five million, yeah, not dollars.
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Five million euros a week,
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but it's up to a maximum of 50 million euros,
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and I think Gruber snarked, it's like,
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"Well, Apple could just find that,
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"why doesn't Apple just send them the 50 million now
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"that they could find and then lose change
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in their couch cushions and then just not have to think about it again because as the
00:48:08
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old saying goes, for the very wealthy, a fine is just a fee.
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If you can do something illegal and all you have to do is pay 50 million euros, if you're
00:48:17
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a multi-trillion dollar company, okay, apparently the price of us doing whatever we want on
00:48:23
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the Appstar is 50 million euros.
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Done and done.
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That's the easiest 50 million euros I've ever spent.
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Now I don't have to follow your law anymore.
00:48:29
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That's the difficulty of trying to find what is an appropriate penalty for violating a
00:48:33
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a law like you're living in a country, you have your own laws, you pass laws and you
00:48:36
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say okay well if you do business in this country you have to follow these laws.
00:48:39
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And it's like okay well what if I don't?
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What happens to me then?
00:48:42
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And it's like well, we're not going to send you to jail because your company is based
00:48:47
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in another country.
00:48:49
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And we're probably not going to ban your products because people do like Apple products in our
00:48:54
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So I guess we'll fine you?
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What's an appropriate fine for not following this law?
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Five million euros a week for a maximum of 50 million?
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I mean, if you're a dinking company,
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that puts you out of business.
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If you're Apple, you might not notice.
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- Well, I don't know.
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I mean, weekly subscription billing can be very misleading.
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I don't know if Apple is familiar with this problem.
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- But it caps out at 50 million.
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Weekly subscriptions don't cap out.
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That's the whole thing.
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They just keep getting charged.
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So anyway, this is difficult because the Netherlands
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does not have a lot of weight here.
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Like Apple can just say,
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"Okay, no more App Store in the Netherlands.
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"How do you like me now?"
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Like Apple kind of holds a lot of the cards here.
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But it's interesting to see a country not dealing
00:49:38
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with Apple's BS, not giving them seven years to comply,
00:49:41
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not waiting for the appeals court to go through
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and blah, blah, blah, and just saying,
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just playing this little game of chicken with Apple,
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which they're going to lose because Netherlands, right?
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Sorry, but--
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- I mean, like Apple just, fine,
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no more Apple products in the Netherlands.
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Is that gonna show up on Apple's, I mean,
00:49:57
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I guess it would probably be bad for them,
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but like no more dating apps in the app store in Netherlands.
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There's many solutions that Apple can do
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that hurt people in this country way more
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than it hurts Apple just because they're small.
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It's not easy being small.
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- But John, Apple I'm sure has the greatest respect
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for the laws of the Netherlands.
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- No, they didn't say that.
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They have the greatest respect for the laws of South Korea
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which has way more people and spends way more money.
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They do not have the greatest respect
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for the laws of the Netherlands.
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My goodness.
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- No, I mean as I said, we're gonna see this play out
00:50:27
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over and over again as various places
00:50:30
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regulate Apple to various degrees,
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Apple is going to drag their feet like crazy
00:50:36
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and they're gonna do the bare minimum they need to do
00:50:40
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to comply with any of these regulations.
00:50:42
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- Or not comply.
00:50:43
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- Right, and in this case, not complying
00:50:45
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is so relatively inexpensive and problem-free for them
00:50:49
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that it's probably better for them not to comply
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unless the Dutch authorities are gonna somehow
00:50:55
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get some more teeth, but as John was saying,
00:50:57
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their bargaining position is not great.
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Whereas Apple can kinda just do whatever it wants here
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because what Dutch lawmaker is gonna say,
00:51:08
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no more iPhones for our people.
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That's gonna be a pretty unpopular decision
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among their voters.
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So this is gonna be, Apple's gonna just walk right
00:51:19
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through this and pretty much nothing's going to happen.
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And it sucks that Apple can do that.
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from the point of view of consumer welfare
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and respecting the sovereignty of nations
00:51:33
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and things like that, it's not a good thing
00:51:36
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that Apple can do this, but the reality is
00:51:38
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they have way more leverage in this relationship
00:51:41
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and they know they don't have to do much
00:51:44
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and so they won't do it.
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Apple will do absolutely nothing optional in this area.
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They will only do what is 100% required
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And in this case, it's not.
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Now, China passes some new law,
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you can bet Apple's gonna bend over backwards
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to do everything possible,
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throwing all morals and ethics and strategy out the window
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to bend over backwards for China.
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But the Netherlands just don't hold
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that kind of sway for them.
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- I do wanna point out, Francisco Tlomaski wrote,
00:52:19
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or tweeted, which I thought was very, very well done,
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they wrote, "It must be really frustrating
00:52:25
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to roll out an entire plan, only to be completely at the whim of a regulator to find out whether
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it sufficiently meets a set of vague criteria. Well done. Well done.
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Although, the thing is, I don't think they are particularly annoyed. The thing is, Apple
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did something, and they did like, "Maybe this will satisfy them or whatever, but is this
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good enough?" And the answer was, "No, it wasn't good enough." And even just banning
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dating apps, saying, "Okay, no more dating apps in the Netherlands," even that is probably
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not going to be popular because presumably people in the Netherlands have iPhones and
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use dating apps and if the next day they said all the dating apps are gone that would be
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It's like well you still have your iPhone, you still have access to all sorts of Apple
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stuff but no dating apps?
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It doesn't seem like it's the end of the world but it's kind of crappy.
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People in the chat room are saying okay well no one cares if the Netherlands does it because
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they have like 18 million people but what if every country does it?
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Well you know things like this are happening in each country but it's like they're not
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coordinated this is not some global effort.
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It's more kind of like a building storm of regulation and stuff, but as Margo said, Apple
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is dragging their feet every step of the way.
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So it's if and when this gets to critical mass, yes, Apple will have to do something,
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but for now they're just crossing their arms and saying, "We will fight this as much as
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we possibly can."
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And they just better hope that China doesn't do anything, because I'm not going to go as
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far as Margo to say that they will throw all their morals and principles, but certainly
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Not all of them.
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They try as hard as they can.
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It's the thing we talked about in the past shows
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of like, what's the correct strategy to deal with China?
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One is to just say, "F you China, we're outta here."
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But the other one is to say, you know,
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engagement with China is better than isolating them
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for the world, not just for Apple.
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And in engaging with them, Apple is using all the power
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that it has available to it to try to get its way
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versus China, but that is a much more even match
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than the Netherlands versus Apple.
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So the way it ends up is,
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China ends up getting more of what they want than Apple because in the end China has the
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people with the money and Apple wants to sell them the stuff.
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And by the way, China makes all of Apple's stuff.
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So Apple is kind of over a barrel a little bit in the whole China situation, which is
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why they should get all their manufacturing out of China.
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But that is way easier said than done.
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So it's a difficult situation.
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Apple fights to do the best they can, but the best they can is not great in China.
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I still maintain that the reliance that Apple still has on China and the lack of movement
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in that area away from the status quo will be looked back upon as Tim Cook's largest
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strategic error in his career.
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I mean, it's also going to be his greatest victory because all of the growth and amazing
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things that he's done has been because of how heavily they invested in China.
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All the things Apple is able to do is because of the massive investment in China manufacturing.
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I would say some.
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Some of their growth and some of their success is from that.
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And that's not a small amount, but it's far from all.
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I mean, but who else could have done the manufacturing
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of the scale that Apple needed?
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Building up anyone else, including the US,
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to do what China does for the amount of money
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that they do it with the precision that they do it?
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I'm not sure what the second choice would have even been,
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because China was well on its way.
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It's not like that China came out of nowhere with Tim Cook.
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Like, he chose to invest heavily in China
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because they were already in the lead, right?
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So we'll see how this goes.
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Like, Tim Cook is not gonna live long enough to see,
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not because he's gonna be a satan or anything,
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which is like he will die of old age,
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the ripe old age of 111,
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before Apple's able to move all their manufacturing
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out of China and into some other country
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and like say now China doesn't have that,
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because it's just, you don't turn that ship that quick.
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This is decades and decades and decades of development
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and huge amounts of money from the Chinese government
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and everything being invested into exactly
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the kind of manufacturing that Apple wants done.
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So moving that manufacturing anywhere else,
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you know, yeah, it will,
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especially if it comes to a crisis,
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it'll be like, oh, Tim Cook's folly,
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He got us so invested in China, now we're stuck
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and we can't get out and it half destroyed the company.
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But also, it is impossible for Tim Cook to get out now
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because he doesn't have enough time left on this earth
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to turn that around.
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- Well, but he hasn't even started turning the wheel.
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- Yeah, he might be.
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We don't know how, if you're going to start
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getting out of China, it's probably good for China
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not to know that you're doing that.
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So we don't know how that's going,
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and what the second or third choice might be
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and how that's all working out.
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but I don't think it's something that Apple would announce.
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Hey, by the way, we're investing in a 50 year plan
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to get out of China.
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By the way, China, let's negotiate something now.
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I don't think it's a thing you announce,
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but I'm hoping that he's got an envelope
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that he's gonna give to his successor
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that says step one, get out of China.
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- My bad for that one, but you should fix my mistake.
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All right, so moving right along.
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So this is gonna get a little bit confusing
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'cause even as I was reading the show notes,
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was getting myself confused. So as we record today on Thursday, what is it, the 27th, today
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macOS Monterey 12.2 was released and I have installed it and so far so good. And also the
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new betas have come out for both macOS and iOS. So the current shipping version again of macOS
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is 12.2, the current shipping version of iOS is 15.3. So that's unfortunately not the same,
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you know, tense place, but we'll make it work. So with that in mind, Dropbox and OneDrive kernel
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extensions, or Keks, are no longer supported in macOS 12.3. So to recap, that's the beta,
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not the one that came out today, but the beta. So the Dropbox and OneDrive kernel extensions that
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let them do all sorts of fancy,
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well, for varying definition of fancy,
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things are no longer supported in 12.3.
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- I'm kind of surprised these were still supported
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up until this point.
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- Like, it seems like, you know,
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with the transition to Apple Silicon
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and with the ever further securing of the OS
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in the last few years,
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I'm kind of surprised these kects still worked at all.
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And to clarify, and I'm sure Jon has much more,
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much better information on this than I do,
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but to clarify, I believe the problem area
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is not just the files that sync.
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The problem area is things like their layer
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where you can have a file that's not downloaded
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all the time, but kind of gets downloaded
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and edited upon request, so you can like partially sync
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your Dropbox and WinDrive contents,
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but not have everything on your computer all the time,
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but still have it still show up in the file system
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and be editable like locally just through
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this translation layer of being network based.
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So I think that specifically is the part that's
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being targeted here.
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Is that right?
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- Yeah, I mean, no, you basically got it.
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But the whole idea is that kernel extensions,
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like the concept that third parties can write code
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that runs inside the kernel on your Mac,
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have been going away for a very, very long time.
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For years and years at every WWDC,
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every session you went through with kernel extensions
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was explaining to you how things that you used
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to be able to do, you're going to have to jump through
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more hoops to do, and they would eventually start saying,
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and by the way, kernel extensions themselves are going away.
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And why is that?
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- Well, because code that runs inside the kernel
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can do terrible things,
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including obviously very trivially crash your computer,
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'cause hey, if you have a bug in your kernel code
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and you segfault and you're inside the kernel,
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it's bye-bye, right?
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And there's no protection against that.
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And then obviously you have, for security reasons,
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if you're inside the kernel,
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you have access to more types of things.
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So they don't want any non-Apple code
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running inside the kernel if they can possibly help it.
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But-- - Right, to build on that,
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the kernel is kind of the core of the operating system.
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And so if you're running around in there,
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you can do, this is like what you said,
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you can do whatever you want,
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kind of whenever you want to some degree.
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And so what Apple's been doing is trying to provide
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new APIs that move, so like Dropbox doesn't need
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to get all the way down deep, deep, deep into the kernel,
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into kind of the foundation of the OS.
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They can stay up in the regular living areas
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of the house, if you will, and not have to go digging
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into the basement in order to do what they need to do.
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And so Apple, like you've said, Jon,
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has been trying to push people, push companies
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away from kernel extensions because it is less secure
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when random other people's code can run inside the kernel.
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Because when you're in the kernel,
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you can, kind of all bets are off.
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- And Apple's been doing that itself with Apple's own code.
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Apple used to have stuff that used to be inside the kernel
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that Apple has moved to user space, as they call it.
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And user space has its own memory protection.
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If you crash in user space, your program crashes,
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but the computer keeps running
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because the kernel is still running or whatever.
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Now, obviously, some things like the Windows server crashes,
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your computer is still running
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you don't have to reboot, but everything you're doing is gone
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because the Windows server runs all the UI and everything.
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So there's a limit to that, but still,
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user space is better than kernel space.
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And so, you know, and Apple's been dog fooding.
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Same thing with sandboxing.
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Apple has sandboxed a lot of its stuff.
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Apple is moving stuff out of the kernel into user space,
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and it's been doing that for third parties as well.
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And to Apple's credit, what they've done
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is that they've looked at what popular applications
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do our users run on the Mac
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that currently have kernel extensions,
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and how can we provide a facility for those applications
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to keep doing what it is they do,
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but to get out of the kernel,
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like Dropbox and OneDrive or whatever.
01:01:34
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And even in the case of things like Dropbox,
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where Dropbox was doing not a kernel extension,
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but a thing where they would sort of invade
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the memory space of the Finder,
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or otherwise hack the Finder to put the little badges
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on the Finder icons, so they would show a little green badge
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with a check mark when the file is synced to Dropbox
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or whatever, the original implementation or two of that
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and Dropbox was very hacky and sort of screwed with the finder at a root level.
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And Apple, you know, getting enough clout to be a popular application means that Apple
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didn't just like ban Dropbox or like cause it to stop running.
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What Apple did instead is saw the need for some way for third party applications to put
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little badges on icons in the finder.
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And they made a public API that any third party can use to put little badges on icons
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in the finder and then tried to convince Dropbox to convert their code to use it.
01:02:24
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I think Dropbox did convert to that.
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It's difficult because these companies will say, "Well, we already have a way that works.
01:02:30
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We just hacked the finder and it works fine.
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I don't want to use your stupid third-party API because now I get to change my app."
01:02:34
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But eventually Apple, I think, has been able to negotiate with these people and say, "Please
01:02:38
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use our official supported public API for badding icons and then you won't have to have
01:02:43
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weird hacks and we promise we'll support it better even though it's a little bit buggier
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in the beginning."
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Same thing with the API they provided to say the file might not be on your Mac but it totally
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looks like it's on your Mac and we will transparently make it seem like it's on your Mac even though
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when things try to open it we pull it from the network just like you were doing behind
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the scenes and you don't need your kernel extension anymore.
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We'll do it all for you.
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Just use our public API and Dropbox and OneDrive.
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Both have had a long time to know that this day was coming and now they have that like
01:03:14
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It's kind of amazing that you're able to announce
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in like a press release, you know, as of Mac OS 12.3.
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If you mention Mac OS 12.3 in your Mac App Store app,
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you'll get rejected because you can't talk
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about future offerings.
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Who says there will ever be a Mac OS 12.3?
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How dare you?
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How dare you even mention that name?
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But they're able to say, it almost got me confused
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for a second, wait a second.
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I was like, is 12.3 out?
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Like, no, 12.3 is not out.
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12.2 just came out.
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12.3 will eventually come out and when it does,
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that Dropbox stuff will stop working.
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Unfortunately, Dropbox being the very agile company it is,
01:03:48
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well, it doesn't look like they'll be ready on day one
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when 12.3 comes out.
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So they just said, yeah, Dropbox might work a little funny
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until we figure this out,
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but we do plan to support the new public API.
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Because guess what?
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We have no choice because our kernel extension,
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we're literally not running anymore.
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So no, look forward to that.
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- Does anybody still work on the Dropbox Mac app?
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- I mean, yeah, they gotta put all those reminders in
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to tell you how to upgrade.
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and all those little hacks to try to integrate
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and get you to give you their accessibility password
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and your root password.
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Hey, you just plugged in a device.
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You want us to back this up and take the photos off of it
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all the time?
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Should we keep asking?
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- That's right.
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When you take screenshots, do you
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want them to go into Dropbox?
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- Yeah, you should give us full access to your entire system
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just so you can post everything that you want to Dropbox.
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And we can start taking more and more of your system resources.
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And yeah, it'll be fine.
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But oh, we're going to do all this through Rosetta
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because we're not going to actually make
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an Apple Silicon client.
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Why would we do that?
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- I feel like the Apple Silicon version
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probably got tied up in whatever branch
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they've been working on to not use the kernel extension
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and maybe they became inseparable
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and they can't ship one without the other
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and they thought they would be done sooner but they're not.
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Anyway, software's hard.
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- Given their engineering priorities,
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it would not surprise me if an Apple Silicon version
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hasn't actually been started yet.
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- No, no, no, it's in beta.
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Where have you been, man, it's in beta.
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- Oh, yeah, okay.
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There's a lot of good reasons why big companies
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have been dragging their feet with supporting
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Mac native apps in many ways.
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We've had the Electron discussions in the past
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and everything, but so much of that mentality, I feel like,
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could lead to the conclusion like,
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why don't we just keep building for Intel
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'cause it runs fine if we do this
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and then that's like one less support thing
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to have to think about.
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It wouldn't surprise, all these same development teams
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and companies who are deciding, you know what,
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it's not worth writing good code,
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let's just write Electron code and we'll bloat up our apps
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on everyone's system and take up hundreds of megs
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in every single copy of our app that's installed
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because it benefits us and it's more convenient for us.
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Well, that same logic could also apply,
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like hey, why don't we just keep doing Intel only?
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'Cause that's also more convenient for us
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and it benefits us and it does cost our users
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in terms of their system efficiencies
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and everything like that, but we don't care about them.
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- They were always gonna do an M1 version.
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It's just taking them longer than they thought, geez.
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- I feel like you're the Dropbox apologist
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of the three of us, Jon.
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- I mean, as far as I'm aware,
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I've never done whatever you do to enable the thing
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that makes the files look like they're on your Mac
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but aren't really on your Mac.
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Like I'm still using it in the old style
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where all the files are literally on my Mac
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even though they're also in Dropbox.
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So that if I just turn off Dropbox
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everything is still just there.
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I don't know if that means I'm not running
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the kernel extension but if I am running it
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it has never caused me any problems.
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And you know, I'm not really an apologist
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because I do quit Dropbox when I know
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I'm gonna be doing something that hits the file system
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because it's just like this low level drag on the system
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that I have to deal with.
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Like if I'm doing a time machine backup
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and it's taking too long,
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you know, I quit Dropbox just sort of as a
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just in case type of thing.
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So I don't think it's wonderful,
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but I do like the ability to quit it when I wanna quit it
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and know that it's not running.
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And when I launch it, it always syncs things.
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And so, you know, I have other things to worry about.
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So you get a lot more control over a lot more lights
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with probably less investment,
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'cause you're only replacing the switch,
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not every bulb in the room.
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And these are always smart.
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So a lot of times, smart bulbs,
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you might install them in a lamp somewhere
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and then you have to tape over the switch on the wall,
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'cause if somebody turns that switch off,
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the bulb's no longer smart.
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That doesn't, this doesn't exist.
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This problem doesn't exist with Caseta
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because you're replacing the switch.
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The switch itself is smart.
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So you don't have to worry about somebody
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accidentally turning off the smartness of your smart light.
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And anybody can use it.
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So anybody walks into the room,
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if they don't have the app
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or they don't know how to operate your house,
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they can just push the button on the wall.
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And it still works as a switch,
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but then you also get smartness.
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You also get things like voice control from voice assistants,
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phone apps, automation, sensor, stuff like that.
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and other products, both from Caseta and not from Caseta,
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- All right, so speaking of betas,
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in 12.3 beta and 15.4 beta,
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you can finally try out universal control
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between Macs and iPads.
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And initial impressions are this is pretty cool.
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I haven't tried it myself, I'm just saying basically.
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- I was hoping you would try it.
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- No, sorry, sorry.
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I oversold a little bit there.
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No, I haven't tried it myself,
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but I've seen, like, Vittiti had a video,
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I'll try to dig up the tweet and put it in the show notes,
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but he had a video of it and it looked pretty slick.
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- Yeah, I'm not sure when I would have occasion to use this.
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Like the times I've had my iPad next to my Mac,
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I've been using it as a second monitor with Sidecar
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and that's not what this is about.
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This is bringing your cursor over to the iPad,
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but I do wonder like having a mouse cursor on my iPad
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and having it still be iPad, running iPad things
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might be useful if there was ever an iPad thing
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that I needed to have.
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But yeah, I'm not sure I'm ergonomically set up for it.
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I'm still, I'm so firmly in the one big monitor camp,
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I don't really like the idea of having to look elsewhere
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at a different monitor.
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But it's cool that they're finally shipping
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this feature at least.
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And as we've said many times in the past,
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it's annoying when features are late,
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but it's better than shipping buggy.
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So kudos on knowing when it's not ready.
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And hopefully when it comes out, it will actually be ready.
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- I actually, I've been using not the continuity feature,
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which just apparently started existing.
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I've been using the iPad as a monitor feature on the Mac.
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Not as, not on my main desktop laptop setup,
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but in the game streaming setup where basically I use it
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as to mirror my laptop screens.
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My laptop is running the OBS capture software
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and it's running all the webcams and everything
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and then I use it, I use my iPad as a second screen
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so that Tiff and Adam can see themselves in the webcam view
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and see like the stream view like in front of them
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and then my laptop's in front of me
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and so that way we can all see the same screen.
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And it's the kind of thing like any cheap screen
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could do this, but I didn't have to buy one,
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'cause I already had an iPad that was sitting around
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doing relatively little, and so it works,
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and just like every other part of both Apple's
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modern software and USB stuff, it works most of the time.
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Not all the time, but most of the time it works,
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and when it works, it's great.
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- So are you running OBS on a Mac then,
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am I understanding that right? - Yes.
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I run OBS on the 14-inch MacBook Pro,
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and all the USB things plug into that,
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so all the capture devices look into that.
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The gaming PCs are only outputting HDMI and sound
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into the capture thingies.
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So the gaming PCs are not running
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any capture software themselves.
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And I'm not using their built-in webcams,
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'cause it's just easier not to.
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We just have these little clip-on Logitech cheapo ones
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that go on each one, and then those are all plugged in
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via USB to the Mac and running OBS.
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So that way the gaming PCs don't have to think
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about capture software.
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I ask because earlier today, actually, it was brought to my attention that there's a
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GitHub user developer-ecosystem-engineering, which I had not heard of.
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But apparently this is Apple's open source contribution pseudo-person, like GitHub account
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for issuing pull requests and things.
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And I presume that in the past, they would just throw a patch over the wall and say,
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hey, we fixed this, have fun.
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But now it looks like they're starting to maybe do it in the
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open, and I was looking at this earlier.
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And the most recent pull request that they made is to
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OBS Studio, and they made a 274 changed file pull request
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where they basically said, hey, the way in which you're
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doing capture in Mac OS sucks, but we fixed it for you.
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Here you go.
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And if you click through onto this pull request, they
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actually have in the PR videos showing memory and CPU
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utilization as they're doing a capture, specifically
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on a particular window versus generally capturing
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the whole screen or something along those lines.
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I'm getting a little out of my depth because I never used OBS.
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But my point is, it's just funny you bring that up,
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because Apple is apparently going and trying
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to make it better for OBS, and I guess for you, Marco.
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Yeah, and this particular thing won't affect me,
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because this is only about screen capture.
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where I'm not doing any screen capture.
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- That's true, that's true.
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Yep, yep, yep, you're right.
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- But that is still a really cool thing.
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- Yeah, I had no idea that this account was a thing,
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so it was news to me.
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Moving right along, so in the 15.4 beta of iOS,
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you can unlock using Face ID with your mask on,
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and this is where everyone starts firing up their email
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and saying, "Oh, contrary, you can do that already
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"with the watch."
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Well, now in 15.4, you don't have to have a watch.
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You can just do it with the phone and nothing else.
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I guess it does much more specific inspection of the area around your eyes in order to confirm
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that it's you. I haven't tried this. I wear a watch pretty much always, so this isn't a big deal
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for me, I don't think. But it is cool. I think the one thing that is different about this, though,
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is that with the watch-based unlock, the phone is a little bit cavalier about unlocking for basically
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any face it sees in front of it, and it taps your watch saying, "Okay, I just unlocked myself." And
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And on the watch, there's a button that you can use to relock your phone to the point
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that you would have to enter the password physically on the phone.
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But with this, it appears that it will be much more specific about unlocking only for
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your face, which is kind of cool.
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This is interesting because obviously if you're covering up half your face, the security of
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it seems like it would be less than seeing your whole face because you just have less
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data points to confirm a match.
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It's kind of revealing a little bit of the way Face ID may work,
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because Apple doesn't really talk about this too much,
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probably for security reasons, probably for competition reasons.
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But when you choose to do this, when you say,
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yeah, I want it to work with the mask,
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you have to opt into it.
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It gives you the choice.
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Do you want to use it with the mask or not with the mask?
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Because it is kind of a security choice.
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And then when you do it, you also
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have the option to add glasses.
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You're like, what do you mean, add glasses?
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Face ID works with and without my glasses now.
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Why is there some separate step for me to teach Face ID
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about my glasses?
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And so the text that I have on the screen here is,
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"Using Face ID while wearing a mask works best
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when it's set up to recognize each pair
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of glasses you wear regularly."
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Face ID with a mask doesn't support sunglasses, right?
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So because sunglasses, like it uses IR dots or whatever,
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so sunglasses can block them and screw it up.
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But it's like, well, I don't have to register
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multiple glasses now.
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I myself have two pair of glasses, one for close up
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and one for like driving.
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and I never needed to register those glasses separately.
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Why would I need to do that now?
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And the best I can come up with is that
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when you do face ID on your full face, no mask or anything,
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and you're wearing glasses,
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especially if you trained face ID without your glasses,
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what it says is, okay,
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for the top part of the face around the eyes,
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I can more or less get a read,
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but there's a bunch of crap there
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that looks to me like glasses,
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and I can't really confirm one way or the other
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whether this is the same person,
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because maybe it's the person
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with different glasses or whatever.
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But thankfully I have the whole rest of the person's face
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to confirm and so I can say, yeah,
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it looks like it's probably matched, so thumbs up.
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But if you take away the bottom of the face
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because they're wearing a mask
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and the mask's all lumpen and different or whatever,
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if you take away the bottom of the face
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and they just look at the top of the face
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and they're like, I can kinda see the shape
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of this person's face around their eyes,
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but the glasses are screwing it up for me.
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And so you don't have anything to fall back on.
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So maybe what this is saying is that we didn't know it,
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but everyone who wears glasses
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is getting slightly less security
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and it's relying heavily on the bottom part of our face
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to make up for it.
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And now with that taken away, now we have to register the glasses to say, "I'm going
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to train you that these are my glasses.
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I have two pairs of them.
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One looks like this and one looks like that."
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So when you check me with my glasses on, the glasses aren't interfering.
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The glasses are actually new data points.
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And this would explain why it takes like two years into the pandemic for us to get this
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feature, because this stuff's complicated and maybe more complicated than we think it
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We just think it's magic.
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We look at our phone and it opens for us.
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But in order for the security to be good and not able to be fooled, as they emphasized
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by like a picture of you or a fake model of your face.
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That's not easy to do.
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But anyway, I look forward to this because I am sick of paying with passcode.
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As they say, every time I go to a store, of course, I've been wearing masks for a long
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time now, and it's annoying typing that in.
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And honestly, it's not that it's like, "Oh, I'm hassled to do it."
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It feels less secure to me because it's a giant light-up screen that other people can
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see and it's really easy to shoulder-sharp someone's like passcode and I don't have like
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a 75-digit alphanumeric code to type in because I'd never be able to buy anything. So I don't
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like, you know, the idea of people seeing me type in unlock code in public. Face ID,
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it would be great to use Face ID. I will very quickly enable this feature so I can do it
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with a mask on.
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Yeah, I'm very much looking forward to this because, you know, not only does it cover
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people who don't have an Apple Watch, which is, you know, nerds like to think that, oh,
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I assure you it's far from it.
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A lot of people have it.
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It's a very successful and widespread product.
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But to give you some,
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I pulled up my analytics here for Overcast.
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Overcast is an app used by a lot of nerds.
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I mean, not all nerds, but a lot of nerds.
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And I have about 35% of Overcast users
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have a watch paired to their phone.
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And that's among nerds.
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The number among the average people is probably lower.
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And so that's, you know, think about at least 70%
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of iPhone owners don't have an Apple Watch.
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So this brings the convenience that we, you know,
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watch people have all been enjoying for the last,
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whatever, 10 months or so that we've had
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the watch unlock with mask feature.
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This brings that to way more people.
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And in a better way, like as John was just saying,
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even now, you know, or the feature we've had for,
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you know, most of the last year,
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if you have a mask on, it'll unlock your phone,
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but it doesn't work with Apple Pay.
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So if you're paying at a pay terminal,
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you still have to type in the passcode.
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And I do that when I go to the grocery store,
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and it sucks.
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And so to have this work this way is very, very nice.
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I haven't tried it yet,
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'cause it just came out a few hours ago,
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I haven't had a chance to install it yet,
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but I'm looking forward to this.
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'Cause Apple is very, very sensitive
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to anything that would potentially reduce
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the security of their phones,
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especially in this area.
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Yeah, we make fun of various security holes
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they have sometimes, like in the software,
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but when it comes to this kind of thing,
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the phone unlock process, they do a really good job,
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and they are extremely secure compared
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to the rest of the industry.
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Whenever there's a new Samsung gadget feature,
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it usually has abysmal security,
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and no one ever talks about it.
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Whenever somebody, some Android person,
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and it's like, here, here's a new,
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you just hover your palm over the phone
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and it unlocks it or some BS like that.
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Inevitably, once the reviews come out,
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everyone realizes A, it doesn't work most of the time
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and B, it's very easily fooled and can be cracked easily.
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That kind of stuff never happens to Touch ID and Face ID.
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We've never had, as far as I know,
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major security problems with Touch ID and Face ID.
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So Apple takes this, oh and watch unlock
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and all the other things.
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So Apple takes this stuff very, very seriously
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and they do a very good job of it.
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So to have something like this where they are
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effectively reducing the security of Face ID in some way
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for this massive practical benefit that we're all demanding,
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that is, as John said, not only a large undertaking,
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but I also trust them to have done it pretty well,
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and I trust that in my life,
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I don't need even half the security that Face ID offers.
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No one ever has my phone.
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Just in my life, I never lose physical access to my phone.
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It just doesn't happen.
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I'm very lucky, I live in a place and environment
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in a situation where that doesn't really happen.
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Like until--
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- It's not like it's your bike, I mean.
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- Right. (laughs)
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Like until Touch ID came out,
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I didn't use passcodes on my phone.
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Like at all, I just didn't use one
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because I didn't need one.
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And that was when I worked in Manhattan.
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But it's like I still, like I just never,
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like so, I am happy to make the trade-off to enable this.
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Because even if it is reduced security
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by only judging the shape around my eyes and stuff,
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I am totally happy to make that trade-off
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because I so often have like had to type the passcode in,
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'cause either the mask unlock thing with the watch
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either didn't work or I hadn't done it recently,
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So it relocked or it tried a few times too many
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and then it totally locked down.
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Or as John was saying, having to pay
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at the credit card terminal and having to type
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in the passcode for that every time.
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So I am happy to take the slightly reduced security
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because knowing Apple, this is probably still
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a ridiculous level of security for most people.
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And I can certainly say it's way more than I probably need.
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- In this week's episode of Funny Things Casey Finds
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in the show notes, it says the following,
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Marco's mini segment, USB garbage from Amazon.
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And I am very excited to hear what this is about.
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- So this is about two product categories
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that I have discovered on Amazon.
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One of them has turned out pretty well,
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the other one not as well.
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But there's this massive world of cheap USB crap on Amazon,
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that some of which is very useful, much of which is not.
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but it does kind of amaze me as just a broad category,
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like quite how much really inexpensive stuff
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that is vaguely USB related there is on Amazon.
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And it's all from these like no-name companies that,
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it's just like some random manufacturer probably in China
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had some random person on Amazon set up an account,
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and you could tell there's 17 different companies
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all selling the same manufacturer's products.
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All the names of the companies are all capitals
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that contain way more vowels than consonants.
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The product names and company names change so often
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that you can't even ever usually buy the same thing twice
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if you wanted to, if it's separated by more than a few weeks.
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But there's this whole world, and some of this stuff
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is actually pretty useful, and some of it is not.
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So I have these two products I'm gonna talk about now,
01:23:41
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'cause I've just been using them recently.
01:23:43
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Because of the nature of this market,
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I'm not even gonna name them or link to them.
01:23:48
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I'll just tell you what they are and you can find your own
01:23:51
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because by the time you hear this,
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the ones I bought won't even be available anymore.
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So. - Oh, cool.
01:23:57
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So anyway, so the first one,
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so as you know, my kid uses an iPad Mini.
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He's now on his, I think third one?
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Some second or third one?
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Anyway, it isn't the current iPad Mini,
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it's the previous generation with the home button.
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And the lightning port.
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And this iPad Mini has already been replaced
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once under warranty, the warranty hasn't expired.
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The original time it was replaced was because
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the charging port was basically wearing out.
01:24:27
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And when I first tweeted about this forever ago
01:24:30
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asking for suggestions, I got a number of people
01:24:32
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explaining to me that basically,
01:24:34
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that what happens when, especially when kids
01:24:36
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use iPads very heavily, that when you use an iPad
01:24:39
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as heavily as a typical kid does,
01:24:42
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especially with typical kid charging discipline,
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it tends to basically be a 5% battery all the time.
01:24:49
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So they're often using it with the power cable plugged in,
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charging while they're using it,
01:24:55
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because out of necessity or whatever.
01:24:58
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And kids also wiggle a lot,
01:25:01
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so they're constantly in slight motion and bending around.
01:25:06
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- It's not the wiggling,
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it's the kids have zero empathy for the machine.
01:25:10
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They do not care that that cable is constantly under pressure.
01:25:14
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Strain relief is made because they are like the strain,
01:25:16
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what is the opposite of relief?
01:25:18
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They're the strain provider.
01:25:20
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They do not care how much they're kinking
01:25:22
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the end of that cable.
01:25:23
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Have you ever, have you seen this?
01:25:24
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I bet you've seen it if you're watching.
01:25:26
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People have kids know this.
01:25:27
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So take any iOS device, plug a lightning cable
01:25:29
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or whatever into the bottom of it,
01:25:31
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then they rest it on the lightning cable.
01:25:34
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- Like vertically, like using that one cable
01:25:36
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So the cable comes down and then it turns at 90 degrees
01:25:39
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and they rest it on that.
01:25:40
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It's like, how much more strain can I provide?
01:25:42
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Well, I could just pull on it at a weird angle,
01:25:44
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but how about I rest the entire iPad's weight
01:25:46
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on top of the lightning connector?
01:25:49
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It's terrible.
01:25:50
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No empathy for the machine.
01:25:52
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But anyway, so, you know, kids are hard on devices,
01:25:57
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especially in this area of just like, you know,
01:25:59
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constantly like, operating an iPad or an iPhone,
01:26:04
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but in this case an iPad,
01:26:05
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Operating it when it's plugged in
01:26:06
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is not something Apple seems to really design for.
01:26:10
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The charging port, if you hold the iPad in landscape,
01:26:13
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the charging port is right where your hand goes.
01:26:16
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So I understand why, it's not kids' fault
01:26:19
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if they're holding near the cable,
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'cause that's where they put it.
01:26:23
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That's where Apple designed it.
01:26:24
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So it's not in a great spot for that already.
01:26:28
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So already we have a problem.
01:26:29
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So anyway, over time, this tends to wear out the ports
01:26:32
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in various ways, 'cause it's hard on the ports.
01:26:35
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And so, as this is happening again to this iPad
01:26:39
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that was just replaced by Apple,
01:26:41
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I think about a year ago for this problem,
01:26:44
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it's happening again, we're now out of warranty,
01:26:46
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and we don't want the new iPad Mini.
01:26:49
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I'm waiting for the next iPad Air
01:26:50
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to upgrade into that instead.
01:26:52
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But in the meantime, we need this iPad
01:26:54
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to last a little bit longer, and it's just not.
01:26:56
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It's dying quickly.
01:26:58
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So instead, I temporarily gave him my iPad,
01:27:02
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'cause I'm probably using it anymore, as I said.
01:27:04
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So he now has my 2018 11 inch iPad Pro
01:27:09
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until we figure out what the heck to get him
01:27:11
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when a good option comes along.
01:27:13
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So anyway, as I'm giving him this, my iPad,
01:27:18
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I kinda want it back at the end
01:27:19
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of whatever this time period is.
01:27:22
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I want it to still work.
01:27:23
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I'd rather it not be destroyed if possible
01:27:24
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'cause I don't wanna buy a new one for myself.
01:27:26
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So I asked on Twitter, like, hey,
01:27:28
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what do people recommend to solve this problem?
01:27:31
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and I got a huge number of responses
01:27:34
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with the same two suggestions.
01:27:38
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Number one, use right angle charging plugs,
01:27:42
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which actually makes a lot of sense
01:27:44
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when you think about it.
01:27:45
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If they're gonna be holding the plug against the device,
01:27:48
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if there's one that has a right angle plug,
01:27:50
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then it kind of rests along the device
01:27:52
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and doesn't protrude out so much.
01:27:54
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And there's even some that will form a U shape
01:27:57
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and go behind the device.
01:27:59
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And this by far was probably the most practical solution,
01:28:04
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but it's not the one I took.
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I'm taking it now.
01:28:09
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I'm still waiting on that delivery from Amazon.
01:28:11
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But the other much more numerous suggestion I got
01:28:16
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was for magnetic charging cables.
01:28:19
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And this is what you'd expect.
01:28:20
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It's like basically little MagSafes
01:28:23
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for USB charging things.
01:28:25
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- Have I mentioned that on the show?
01:28:26
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I do that for all my kids' laptops.
01:28:28
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Oh yeah, I don't think I knew that.
01:28:30
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- Yeah, I have since the day MagSafe went away.
01:28:33
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I've done it on all the laptops.
01:28:34
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I did find a flaw in it.
01:28:35
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I mean, you can, I don't wanna spoil it for you,
01:28:38
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but like, if you do this,
01:28:41
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and you do this magnetic lifestyle,
01:28:42
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'cause I always like MagSafe,
01:28:43
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and I'm like, I'm not giving it up
01:28:44
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for things my computer uses.
01:28:46
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A little USB-C that you put in,
01:28:48
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it has a little MagSafe thing,
01:28:48
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you know, lots of people make them.
01:28:50
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But if your kids then take that laptop to school,
01:28:54
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they have found a way to destroy it.
01:28:56
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And that way is, I'm going to ignore the case
01:28:58
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you gave me for my laptop dad,
01:28:59
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and put it in my backpack, just loose,
01:29:02
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and I'm gonna put it with the little USB magnetic nub
01:29:05
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facing down, and then I'm gonna--
01:29:07
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- Then drop the backpack?
01:29:09
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- Drop my backpack from a great height,
01:29:11
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so that it essentially crushes the hard plastic inner thing
01:29:16
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that sticks out a millimeter until it smears that plastic
01:29:19
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into like a form that the magnetic thing
01:29:22
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can no longer make contact.
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I should show you, I think I have a picture of it,
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I'll see if I can dig it up on my phone,
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picture of what it looked like after they did this.
01:29:29
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- Well, it took a couple years, but you did it.
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You defeated this MagSafe rip-off thing.
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This is why I can't wait for MagSafe to come back
01:29:36
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and why like a MagSafe, the Puck MagSafe,
01:29:39
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not the magnetic, not the other kind of MagSafe,
01:29:41
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Puck MagSafe coming to the iPad,
01:29:43
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that whole rumor that maybe we'll talk about
01:29:44
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in a future show, actually is somewhat appealing.
01:29:46
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Anyway, continue.
01:29:47
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- Yeah, I'm excited for it for the same reason.
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Although so far the rumors were only that it was coming
01:29:51
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from the iPad Pro, which is not promising.
01:29:54
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But maybe eventually it'll make it to the,
01:29:56
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the lower end models, anyway.
01:29:58
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So yeah, so I decided, you know what,
01:29:59
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let me try this magnetic plug thing,
01:30:01
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'cause the magnetic plugs,
01:30:03
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there's a bunch of them out there,
01:30:04
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and many of them have these, not only 90 degree heads,
01:30:08
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but like automatically rotating heads.
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You just twist them around,
01:30:11
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in any orientation they'll twist around,
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and I figure that is perfect,
01:30:14
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because then any way the iPad is gonna be held
01:30:18
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or moved around, it'll be fine,
01:30:20
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because this cable will bend around,
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and it'll be in a reasonable position
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and not be super stressed on the port.
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So I got one that was well recommended
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and I got like three or four cables
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and a whole bunch of tips that all came in set
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for like 25 bucks.
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Great, like typical awesome Amazon cheap USB garbage stuff.
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And overall, it does work.
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But there's a couple of reasons why I can't recommend,
01:30:50
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at least the one I got.
01:30:52
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So number one is, this is very slow charging.
01:30:56
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It's USB-A on the other end.
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This kind didn't seem to have any USB-C on the other end.
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And it seems like to get USB-C on the source end,
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you need to have some that have many different pins in them,
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'cause some of them try to actually do data transfer
01:31:09
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and everything, and higher wattage charging.
01:31:13
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This one is a very simple one.
01:31:14
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It's like two conductors.
01:31:16
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It's like outside, inside, like a barrel connector,
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So it was very, very simple.
01:31:21
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that's one of the reasons it was so cheap,
01:31:22
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it's one of the reasons why it's so durable,
01:31:24
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the cables are nice and thin, so that's all nice,
01:31:26
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but because of those limitations,
01:31:30
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it only does very slow charging,
01:31:32
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it's the 2.4 amp old 10 watt iPad charging,
01:31:36
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not anything like USB-C, PD stuff.
01:31:40
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So it's fine for a phone or low draw devices,
01:31:45
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and it would be fine for somebody
01:31:47
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with really good battery hygiene,
01:31:49
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But for a simple kid using an iPad Pro,
01:31:53
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a 10 inch iPad Pro or 11 inch iPad Pro temporarily,
01:31:56
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that's a big battery to keep charged
01:31:58
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and it's very, very slow to charge this
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and that's kind of a problem.
01:32:03
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Second problem is that there is no universal standard
01:32:08
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for these things.
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So like you kinda have to like pick one brand
01:32:11
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and just stick with their stuff.
01:32:13
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Sometimes they will coincidentally have the same brand
01:32:16
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do more than one copy of these cables
01:32:18
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or the same connectors, but usually it's like,
01:32:22
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you gotta buy one brand stuff.
01:32:23
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And because of the nature of this weird
01:32:26
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Amazon cheap USB ecosystem, it's very hard
01:32:29
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to buy the same stuff twice sometimes.
01:32:32
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So that I feel like is kind of a problem.
01:32:34
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And then finally, these cables,
01:32:38
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when they're not connected to a device,
01:32:41
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constantly glow on the ends with blue LEDs.
01:32:46
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- Lovely. - Not RGB, come on.
01:32:49
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- The world has not yet gotten my memo
01:32:52
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that blue LEDs should require a license
01:32:56
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to deploy in products.
01:32:58
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- They have the highest energy photons, though.
01:33:00
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You can make the other colors from them.
01:33:03
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- Yeah, and so-- - With quantum dots?
01:33:05
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- Yeah, and I just, I don't understand.
01:33:10
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Are blue LEDs really cool to everyone else?
01:33:13
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And I'm just, anyway, so that's a problem.
01:33:16
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These are just always glowing, so that's kind of annoying.
01:33:20
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So I'm probably not gonna keep using these for a long time.
01:33:23
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So that was kind of a flop.
01:33:26
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- Oh, and on this topic of these type of devices,
01:33:28
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I should mention also that I think both of my parents
01:33:31
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also use these devices, not because they're not careful
01:33:33
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with their stuff, 'cause they're very careful old people,
01:33:36
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but because ergonomically, it's hard to,
01:33:38
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especially if you have bad vision,
01:33:39
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this is especially important for my mother,
01:33:40
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has really bad vision, to line up the lightning connector
01:33:44
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with the little tiny slot in the thing in your iPad
01:33:46
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Whereas if it's magnetic, you just kind of throw it in the direction of the connector.
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My mother's even got it on her phone, like her dinky little phone.
01:33:53
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She's got like the like the five size SE,
01:33:55
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with a little nubbin sticking out of it because it's just easy for her to stick on the charger and take off the charger.
01:34:00
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You know, yes, you should definitely look into these. I put, by the way, in the in the slack, you can see the picture of
01:34:05
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the, oh god, the one that my kids destroyed and how it's supposed to look.
01:34:10
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That is very crushed.
01:34:13
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- And by the way, can we just take a moment
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to admire my fingernails?
01:34:17
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Because as someone who chewed his nails obsessively
01:34:22
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down to the quick for 21 years of my life,
01:34:25
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every time I see a picture of my fingernails
01:34:27
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and go, look at those fingernails,
01:34:29
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look at those long, healthy, good, non-chewed fingernails.
01:34:33
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- Nicely done.
01:34:34
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- I quit chewing my fingernails cold turkey at age 21
01:34:36
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and haven't gotten back to it.
01:34:39
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- I've told this story before, but I blame it all on NFC.
01:34:42
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I was working on my senior project at college,
01:34:46
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which involves writing an application,
01:34:48
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a Windows application using NMFC, which I hated.
01:34:52
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- Oh, what I would pay to be able to see.
01:34:55
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Oh, you must have been intolerable.
01:34:57
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- And I still have the source code printed out.
01:34:58
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I still have the source code printed out somewhere
01:34:59
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if you want to see it.
01:35:00
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And yes, I did win best senior design project
01:35:03
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in my engineering school, so.
01:35:06
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- But we have to see that.
01:35:07
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- Yeah, anyway.
01:35:08
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- Do you have screenshots of it?
01:35:09
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- Yeah, probably.
01:35:10
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It looks like Windows 95, shockingly.
01:35:12
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And when I was writing that code,
01:35:15
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I was like up all night in the stupid computer lab
01:35:18
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sitting on a backless wooden stool that was way too high,
01:35:21
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typing away the terrible Windows PC
01:35:23
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and hitting F5 to compile in Visual Studio,
01:35:26
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what the hell I was doing,
01:35:27
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and chewing my nails constantly,
01:35:29
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'cause I was like, oh, I gotta get this thing done,
01:35:30
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oh, this is my senior project,
01:35:31
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it's super important or whatever.
01:35:32
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And I chewed my nails like so far down,
01:35:35
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it became so painful then to like type with my chewed nails,
01:35:38
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just something just snapped in my mind,
01:35:40
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I said, "That's it, I'm not doing this anymore.
01:35:42
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"I'm chewing my own nails so much that it hurts my fingers.
01:35:45
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"No more," and I just stopped.
01:35:47
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That was it.
01:35:48
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- That's great.
01:35:49
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- Yeah, it was exciting.
01:35:50
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Anyway, my cuticles look terrible, don't look at those,
01:35:53
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but my fingernails look pretty good.
01:35:55
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- Yeah, I had to use the bad tasting stuff
01:35:57
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to stop at like age 30 or something.
01:35:58
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It was much more recent. - I'm still working on it.
01:36:01
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Yeah, I'm still working on it.
01:36:02
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- The bad smelling stuff, or the bad tasting stuff
01:36:03
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really works well quickly too.
01:36:06
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- Yeah, I think we used that on my younger brother
01:36:09
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and it did nothing, but yeah.
01:36:10
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Anyway, so the USB magnetic charging cable experiment
01:36:15
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didn't work out so well for me.
01:36:18
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There's other problems too, but I could see,
01:36:22
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it seemed like there's promise in this world,
01:36:23
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because if having one universal set of charging cables
01:36:28
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that you can just buy 10 of and put them all over,
01:36:30
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everywhere you would need a charging cable,
01:36:32
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and have all your devices charged the same way,
01:36:35
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is kind of amazing.
01:36:36
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That would be great, but I think I maybe need to find
01:36:39
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a better standard for that.
01:36:42
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And it also does, certain devices,
01:36:44
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having the little nub sticking out of them
01:36:46
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does kinda suck.
01:36:47
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Like for instance, on the iPad,
01:36:50
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iPads are so thin that the little rim
01:36:54
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around this connector actually protruded
01:36:57
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past the bounds of the iPad,
01:36:58
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and so it just makes it thicker
01:37:00
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and you catch your hand on it when you're holding it.
01:37:04
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So it is kind of,
01:37:07
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Ideally, we wouldn't need any of these things.
01:37:09
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Ideally, everything would just use USB-C or magnetic stuff,
01:37:11
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and we'd be fine.
01:37:12
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But that's not the world we live in.
01:37:14
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So anyway, that didn't work out super well,
01:37:17
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but I can see possible promise there in certain ways.
01:37:20
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Yeah, I think we'll talk about it in future shows
01:37:22
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when we talk about all the rumors for portless things
01:37:25
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and MagSafe coming to the iPad, because this
01:37:27
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is an area that could be improved.
01:37:30
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And third-party solutions are not ideal.
01:37:32
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Yeah, but that being said, I was very happy
01:37:34
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that this whole world existed that clearly many people use
01:37:39
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and I just never even considered it.
01:37:40
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So, you know, maybe it'll be useful for somebody out there.
01:37:43
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And then finally, the good part of my USB garbage story,
01:37:47
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I recently discovered, thanks in part to comments made,
01:37:51
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I think, over the last few years by our friend, Alex Cox,
01:37:55
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on the Dubai Friday podcast, the world of USB hand warmers.
01:38:00
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Are you familiar with these?
01:38:04
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I know it's the thing, but that's all I know.
01:38:06
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- It's called your iPhone when you play Pokemon Go.
01:38:08
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- Yeah, so these are, they're just USB batteries
01:38:13
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that happen to have heating coils or whatever in them,
01:38:17
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and so you're able to use the stored battery power
01:38:21
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as a hand warmer that you're holding in cold weather.
01:38:23
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And for years we've had those hot hands, packs,
01:38:28
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it's basically like a little sack of rust powder,
01:38:33
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and it reacts with the air, like it oxidizes
01:38:35
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and generates heat for a few hours
01:38:38
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and then you throw 'em away.
01:38:39
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Like we've had those forever.
01:38:40
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- I have to say about those, by the way,
01:38:42
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I had occasion to use those recently
01:38:44
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and we had some old ones in the closet.
01:38:46
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It was just like the ones that go on the small year back,
01:38:47
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but it's the same idea, right?
01:38:48
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We had some old ones in the closet
01:38:49
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and I used one or whatever and I'm like,
01:38:51
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oh, we ran out, we should get some new ones.
01:38:52
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The new ones are rated for twice the length of time
01:38:55
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as the old ones, so apparently in the four years
01:38:57
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that's been sitting in our closet,
01:38:58
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they went from last up to eight hours
01:39:00
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to last up to 16 hours and they are not kidding.
01:39:03
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The 16 hour one lasts 16 hours.
01:39:05
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So I'm like, what has happened?
01:39:06
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'Cause it's not any bigger, it's the same size.
01:39:08
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So that crappy rust technology has really improved.
01:39:12
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- Well, it seems like the main issue is just regulating
01:39:15
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the amount of airflow so you can control the reaction
01:39:20
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so it doesn't get too hot and burn out too fast.
01:39:23
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So maybe just differences in the materials
01:39:25
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they're using around it, like for the fabric layer.
01:39:27
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- Yeah, I don't know.
01:39:28
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- I saw the small of my back stuck to my back
01:39:31
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under two layers of clothes, but whatever they did worked
01:39:33
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'cause it was pleasantly warm for a full 16 hours.
01:39:37
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- Yeah, and the thing is, I have been on a quest for years
01:39:41
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to find really nice, warm gloves for the winter.
01:39:45
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- Don't get me started.
01:39:46
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- I'm convinced these don't exist.
01:39:48
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I'm convinced not only--
01:39:49
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- They exist, they don't make them anymore though.
01:39:51
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I have five pairs of them and they're all worn out.
01:39:54
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I'll talk about it in another pro.
01:39:56
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next to your cheese graters and your keyboards.
01:39:58
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- I could search so hard for these gloves.
01:40:00
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I took them for granted.
01:40:01
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I bought maybe five pairs of these gloves
01:40:04
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and like they're always gonna make these gloves.
01:40:05
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They're awesome.
01:40:06
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Every year I'll just buy a new pair
01:40:07
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and then I went to look for them one year and they were gone
01:40:09
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and so now I'm wearing crappy old bean gloves
01:40:11
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and they're not as good.
01:40:13
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- Well I have never found great gloves.
01:40:15
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I've found a number of gloves that are decent
01:40:17
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when it's not that cold.
01:40:19
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I have never found great gloves when it's really cold.
01:40:21
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My hands are always cold.
01:40:22
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And here, both at the beach
01:40:25
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and also just having a dog, my lifestyle requires
01:40:27
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that I go outside a lot year round.
01:40:29
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And so, my hands are always really cold in the winter,
01:40:33
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'cause a lot of times I can't put it in my pocket.
01:40:34
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Sometimes one of them might be holding a dog leash
01:40:37
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in a way that I can't easily pocket,
01:40:38
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or I might be pulling a wagon or something.
01:40:41
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So, my hands are always cold in the winter,
01:40:44
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it's very cold here, and so I figure,
01:40:47
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I always want good gloves.
01:40:49
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- It's not actually very cold there, just FYI.
01:40:51
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- It was like 15 degrees, well I know,
01:40:53
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Okay, Boston, I know, okay.
01:40:55
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- Anyway, or people in Canada, but still,
01:40:57
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my brief suggestion on hand-soaked was
01:40:59
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I'm in the same situation, my hands are always cold.
01:41:02
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Obviously, you do need to wear gloves,
01:41:03
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so get some gloves and wear them even if they're crappy,
01:41:05
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but when your extremities are cold,
01:41:08
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making sure the core of your body is warm
01:41:10
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can help your extremities not get cold,
01:41:12
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because your body's reducing circulation,
01:41:14
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your extremities is trying to keep
01:41:15
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the core of your body temperature up,
01:41:16
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so if you sort of over-insulate the core of your body
01:41:20
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by wearing thermal underwear like I do and being a weirdo,
01:41:23
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your hands will actually be slightly warmer,
01:41:24
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so consider that.
01:41:25
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- Well, that might work for a lot of people,
01:41:27
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that's not my problem.
01:41:28
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Like, my core, I walked back today from the post office
01:41:32
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with my coat unzipped, but still with gloves
01:41:35
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and hat and everything.
01:41:36
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Neck warmer, everything.
01:41:39
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By the way, actually, I joined the neck warmer lifestyle
01:41:44
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The world of people using those neck gaiters
01:41:46
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instead of masks when they thought
01:41:47
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they would actually do something
01:41:49
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introduced me to the concept that neck gaiters exist,
01:41:51
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which I never even knew.
01:41:53
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And so now I'm using this winter fleece one.
01:41:55
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It's basically just a fleece tube that I put over my head
01:41:58
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and put it around my neck.
01:41:59
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'Cause I've never been a scarf person.
01:42:01
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They always just kind of dangle and get in the way.
01:42:02
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I never got into scarves.
01:42:04
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- I gotta get you on board with the scarf thing.
01:42:05
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I was a gator. - Yeah, seriously.
01:42:06
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- We call them gators,
01:42:07
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'cause that's what you call them when you're skiing.
01:42:08
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I was a gator person my whole life,
01:42:09
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and only when I moved up to Boston
01:42:11
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did I convert from gators to scarves,
01:42:12
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mostly because I didn't wanna take a thing
01:42:14
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and put it over my head and take it.
01:42:15
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I'm like, oh, a scarf, I don't have to put it over my head.
01:42:17
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I just wrap it around.
01:42:18
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So I'm heavily into the fleece scarf lifestyle now.
01:42:21
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But you have to get a good one.
01:42:22
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You can't get like a fancy scarf that looks nice.
01:42:25
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You have to get one that does not look nice.
01:42:27
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But yeah, fleece skaters, if you don't mind, put 'em,
01:42:29
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I guess you don't have any hair to mess up.
01:42:31
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So that's the one advantage.
01:42:32
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One advantage you have going for you.
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- Just glides right on.
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- Yeah, they're very comfy
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and I still wear them when skiing.
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Not that I've been skiing in ages,
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but when I did go skiing, I had to.
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- Yeah, so anyway.
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So, yeah, so gloves have always failed me.
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And I even briefly tried heated gloves
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a couple of years back.
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like I did the research, found what people thought
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were the best ones and they were garbage.
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And the problem with heated gloves,
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then you have these giant battery packs
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that have to go somewhere around your wrist.
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They had these huge cuffs and these thick wires
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and they don't really work that well.
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Anyway, so I decided let me look at hand warmers.
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And the problem with the disposable ones,
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I love the disposable ones for the toe boot warmers.
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Those are great.
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You put 'em in there, you have,
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if you're gonna be out for a while, those are awesome
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and I haven't found any better solution for feet yet.
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But the hand warmers, most of the time,
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I'm just doing a 15 minute or 30 minute dog walk.
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I'm not gonna bust open one of those pairs
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of disposable hand warmers for a 15 or 30 minute walk.
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That feels wasteful to me, 'cause I know
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it's gonna be hot for like--
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- It's gonna be heating up for 16 hours,
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you're gonna just-- - Right.
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Right, and that seems ridiculous.
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And so the reality is, even though I have,
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I got a box of those from Amazon a few years ago,
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so I have probably 25 pairs of those ready to go,
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and the reality is I almost never use them,
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because every time I would use them
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would feel like a waste of them.
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And so instead, I recently discovered these USB hand warmers
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and there's a bunch of them out there.
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Also, again, all sorts of brands, shapes, sizes,
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all around the like, you know, $25-ish range.
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And I thought, well, how well could these really work?
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And how long could they possibly last?
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How much warmth could they possibly generate?
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Like, are they gonna be a pain in the butt?
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And the pair I got is, it's a pair of them,
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two of them together, and they magnetically stick together
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for storage, which I don't--
01:44:21
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- Oh, that's cool.
01:44:22
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- I thought it was cool.
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In practice, I'm keeping them in my jacket pockets
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when not in use.
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- So I'm keeping them separate anyways,
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so maybe it's less cool than I thought,
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but I thought it was a cool idea.
01:44:32
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But it's just, they're just two
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5,000 milliamp hour USB batteries.
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They have USB-C in, they have USB-A out,
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so they are also USB batteries.
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They function as USB batteries if you need them to be,
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which is nice.
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And because they're only 5,000 milliamp hours,
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they're not that big.
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And to be the hand warmers, they're only barely bigger
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than a 5,000 milliamp hour battery would be.
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Like they're just kind of log shaped.
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They're shaped kind of like the bottom half of a hot dog.
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So you can hold them in your hand
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without it being too big and bulky.
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But it's also not so super skinny
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that you can't get good contact on it.
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So it's nice and they, you know, I like walk outside
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with my dog in the morning and it's 15 degrees
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and I got my neck tube on and I reach in my pockets
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and I hold down the buttons with my gloved hands.
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I can turn them on easily and they warm up within 20 seconds
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maybe they're nice and warm.
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Like they warm up quickly and I can go for a dog walk.
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I'm holding these, my hands are nice and warm
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and then I get, as I approach my house to end the walk,
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I just reach for the buttons,
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hold in the buttons for a few seconds,
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they turn off, walk inside, I'm done.
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It's so nice.
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They work so well.
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I would say they work actually better
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than the disposable ones because they cover more area
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and they heat up faster,
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and then of course you can control the heat.
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They never get too hot 'cause there's like three settings,
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so if it's starting to get too warm,
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you can turn it off, you can turn it down,
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and then when you're ready again,
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turn it back on or turn it back up.
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It's fantastic.
01:46:09
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So thank you, Alex Cox at Dubai Friday
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for recommending this, friend of the show, Alex Cox.
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And also, thank you to the random Amazon corporations
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who are making these things, 'cause they're really good.
01:46:19
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And again, because they're just USB batteries,
01:46:23
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and so, and again, they're not much bigger
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than a battery of that capacity would normally be.
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So it's this useful thing, even if,
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even in the summertime, I'm gonna keep this in my backpack,
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'cause I just occasionally need a USB battery.
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And so it's just, I'm very happy with this product.
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And it's such a simple little thing.
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And solving a need that so far modern technology
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and fabrics and fashion and things
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have done a very poor job of solving.
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Like why are my hands cold in the winter?
01:46:53
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What can I do about that?
01:46:54
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That's been a very hard problem for me.
01:46:56
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Looks like we can send satellites and stuff,
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we can send robots to Mars, but we can't make good gloves.
01:47:01
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But you know.
01:47:03
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- Yeah, or hats apparently.
01:47:04
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But yeah, this is actually really, really good.
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I strongly recommend USB hand warmers.
01:47:09
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And it doesn't really matter which one you get,
01:47:11
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they're probably all the same.
01:47:12
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But yeah, fantastic product.
01:47:14
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- I still contend that if you wore thermal underwear
01:47:16
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and had had it in a scarf on and zipped your jacket
01:47:18
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and wore warm things on all your extremities,
01:47:21
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you would eventually get so hot
01:47:22
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that you would have to take your gloves off
01:47:23
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to use your hands as radiators to cool your body down.
01:47:27
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- I assure you, it doesn't work that way.
01:47:29
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- You're just not dressing warm enough
01:47:31
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on the rest of your body.
01:47:32
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I know because I'm the same, my hands are always cold.
01:47:34
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ask anybody, ask my wife, my hands are always cold,
01:47:37
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but I can occasionally overdress,
01:47:39
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because I am an overdresser,
01:47:40
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you can ask her about that, overdress for the weather,
01:47:43
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and be out for a dog walk,
01:47:44
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'cause I'm in the same situation, I'm out for the dog walk,
01:47:47
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and we're walking up the big hill in the park,
01:47:48
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and I get to the top of the hill,
01:47:50
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and my hands are burning, and that never happens to me,
01:47:53
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so I take off my gloves, and I radiate all the heat
01:47:55
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out of my body through my hands,
01:47:56
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and in 30 seconds later, I put the gloves back on,
01:47:58
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and I'm fine, so it is possible,
01:48:00
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if you sufficiently dress the rest of your body,
01:48:03
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including potentially wearing wristies, you should try that.
01:48:06
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I wear them when I type, obviously,
01:48:07
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'cause my hands are always cold in the house.
01:48:09
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Do you know what wristies are?
01:48:10
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- Is it one of those 80s armbands before your wrist?
01:48:14
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- No, it's just a fleece tube.
01:48:16
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You know the tube you put on your neck?
01:48:17
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Imagine a tomb like that, shaped like your forearm
01:48:19
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with one hole in the side for your thumb to go through?
01:48:21
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- Oh. - That's a wristie, right?
01:48:23
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So you wear wristies and you also wear gloves.
01:48:25
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It's like thermal underwear for your hands.
01:48:27
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So consider that as well.
01:48:30
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And you will eventually find the amount of clothing
01:48:32
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you need to wear to be incredibly sweating hot
01:48:35
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and then you'll be, back it off one notch from that
01:48:37
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and you'll be okay.
01:48:38
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- But here's the thing, the problem with good gloves also,
01:48:40
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it's like, I also want like, you know,
01:48:43
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touch sensitivity on the glove.
01:48:44
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'Cause like right now, like my warmest gloves,
01:48:46
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that, well, my least cold gloves that I have now,
01:48:51
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are not, they don't, like they're too thick for that,
01:48:54
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and they're just also some random Amazon gloves also,
01:48:56
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but like I've tried the nice ones,
01:48:58
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I've tried the ones from big brands,
01:48:59
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I've tried a hestras. I tried I tried so many gloves everyone's like oh these are the best and I try them and they're not warm
01:49:07
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But my gloves for people want to know the ones that I wore for years and years and years of my life until I stopped
01:49:13
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They were combi kombi
01:49:15
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Gore-tex combi still makes Gore-tex gloves, but they do not make the gloves that I use for years
01:49:22
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They make lots of other gloves that are not as warm and are more annoying
01:49:25
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But the secret to the combi Gore-dex gloves is well
01:49:28
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The first secret is buy it in the largest possible size way bigger than you think you need
01:49:32
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Because a secret to the gloves was they were like down comforters for your hands mittens are a lot easier obviously mittens
01:49:38
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It's when your fingers are all together mittens are way warmer than gloves. But then of course you have no finger, right?
01:49:43
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Dexterity, right? So yeah, you're not new loves making warm gloves is difficult
01:49:49
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But the secret of these ones is they were like huge and pillowy
01:49:52
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They were just like, you know, the big like puffy jackets that like the hip-hop stars used to wear when that was in fashion
01:49:57
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Right, they were like that for your hands, but not shiny
01:49:59
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Just a huge amount of fluffiness around them
01:50:03
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They were just and you'd get them a size bigger than you thought because any gloves that are tight will make your hands cold
01:50:08
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And so you had it wasn't there's enough sort of like
01:50:10
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down comforter wrapping around every one of your fingers and your entire hand and your wrist that it would actually
01:50:17
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keep the heat in and not let you lose it and those are the only and these gloves
01:50:21
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were time tested by me skiing like skiing up in Vermont and when it's like
01:50:25
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Two degrees with the wind whipping through the chairlift as you're sitting there, you know for the the I think about the calm like that
01:50:33
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They they started by calling. Oh the high-speed quad they used to be they usually not talk about the ski lift speed
01:50:38
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It was just like the speed the ski lift is but then they came up with a high speed ski lift
01:50:42
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Which meant that it's faster than the low speed ski lift
01:50:44
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It would disconnect from the thing and you would sit down on it and then it would reconnect to the faster moving cable and you'd
01:50:49
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Go fast, right?
01:50:50
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But no I would be on the slow speed triple going up Mount snow and
01:50:55
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3-degree weather in the fog with the wind whipping and that's the crucible in which these gloves were tested
01:51:01
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Say can it keep my hands from being cold when I am sitting
01:51:05
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Suspended in the air in the middle of the wind not moving my body at all
01:51:10
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And these were the only gloves that kept up with that
01:51:12
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and I kept buying them year after year
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until they stopped making them.
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Story of my life.
01:51:16
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- Do you think somewhere there's another person
01:51:19
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who is stockpiling these gloves, your cheese grater,
01:51:24
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your chicken hats--
01:51:25
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- I'm the person who's stockpiling my cheese grater.
01:51:27
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- No, do you think, is there someone else
01:51:29
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who's stockpiling the same items you are and just like--
01:51:31
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- No, well if they were, I keep buying them from them.
01:51:34
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I have so many frickin' cheese graters now.
01:51:36
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This is gonna be my legacy.
01:51:37
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- Maybe did they buy that spatula for $70
01:51:40
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that you didn't want to buy?
01:51:42
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Was that a spatula?
01:51:43
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- Yeah, I mean, the spatula I'm not always stockpiling.
01:51:46
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I'm okay with that.
01:51:47
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Although I feel like I'm gonna,
01:51:48
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sort of my retirement plan is to sell Grüber my collection
01:51:50
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of Apple Extended Keyboard 2s that I have them at.
01:51:53
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'Cause I've got a lot of those.
01:51:54
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- I think that'll work.
01:51:55
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- I don't think he's been stockpiling them,
01:51:56
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but I got a lot.
01:51:57
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- Unfortunately, they seem to last a pretty long time.
01:51:59
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I think it might be a while.
01:52:01
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- He's gotta do what I did.
01:52:02
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The only Apple Extended Keyboard 2 I ever broke
01:52:05
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is because I accidentally knocked my Swiss Army knife
01:52:08
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from with that had the blade open because I'm a teenager from my shelf above above where
01:52:14
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my computer was that fell off the shelf onto my onto my keyboard like blade point down
01:52:19
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and hit like the F5 key and like dug into the key and snapped it off.
01:52:23
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Wait but did you get rid of the whole keyboard just for F5 like whoever uses that?
01:52:27
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No it's upstairs with the broken F5 key right now but I have I have new Gruber I have new
01:52:31
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ones that are not damaged anyway I've got a stash just yeah.
01:52:37
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besides Windows people who use that for their browser refresh,
01:52:39
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is that still a thing or does like Control-R work there,
01:52:42
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like the way Command-R works for us?
01:52:43
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- No, they're probably hitting F5.
01:52:45
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- They're still hitting F5.
01:52:46
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- My daughter said she needed to hit Control-C
01:52:50
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to copy something, I'm like, Control-C?
01:52:52
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I didn't raise you to use Control-C to copy,
01:52:54
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what's going on, like how did this happen?
01:52:56
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We literally never had a PC in this house,
01:52:58
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but you know how it happened, can you guess?
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- School, I would assume.
01:53:02
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- Chromebooks.
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Chromebooks, you don't think about it,
01:53:06
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you're like, you know, Windows uses control and Mac uses command, what does Chromebook
01:53:10
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use? Control. Control C, control V, copy and paste.
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I'm so sorry, Jon.
01:53:18
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A whole lifetime of only ever seeing and using Macs destroyed as soon as she gets a Chromebook.
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She can convert as an adult, it'll happen.
01:53:26
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Yeah, I mean, she doesn't prefer the Chromebook, but it's just, to have that, the problem is,
01:53:32
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for her whole life being around Macs, she never used cut, copy and paste because she
01:53:36
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was little but once she got all off to use cut copy and paste the first thing
01:53:38
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she actually did it on was a Chromebook and so control C is copy it's like
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Hey, so John, what are you going to do about a car the next time you need to buy one?
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I mean, I'm assuming by then there'll be more affordable electric choices, right? And that's
01:55:12
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probably what I'll go with. So no more stick for you, this is it?
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I mean, it depends. Like obviously, as we were discussing before, I wasn't really joking
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about you were saying like, "Oh, the Civic may be your only choice because you can get
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a Civic with the stick, but you can't get the Accord with the stick anymore, and then
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new Civic is nice and blah blah blah.
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So maybe next time you get a car you have to get a Civic.
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And I said by the time I have to get a new car the Civic will be the size of my current
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Accord because both the Accord and the Civic have been growing in proportions like constantly
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for the past several decades.
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The Civic today is way bigger than the Accord from like a couple of decades ago right.
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So and you know if this trend continues I don't think that the Accord is going to get
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bigger without bound because it would just be gigantic but the Civic will probably get
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bigger up to and including the limit of the size of the current Accord.
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So yes, maybe I will get a Civic if it's the one that still comes with the stick.
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Maybe Honda will come to its senses and make another Accord with the stick, like a sporty
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version for like a niche thing or whatever.
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But much more likely I'll be looking at electrics when that time comes.
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But that's going to be a while for now.
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As we discussed in past shows, my car is a 2014 and it has 27,000 miles on it.
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My goodness.
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And I plan to sinking a hell of a lot of money into it before I give up on it.
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So here's that.
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Is Tina embracing her future life as a two-pedal driver, or is she even more angry about it
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No, she doesn't care as much about it as I do, but I think she'll be sad.
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She does not like automatics, though.
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We test drove various automatic things and she does not prefer it.
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But I think she will happily take an electric, so she's probably more likely to get an electric
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before I am because she is less picky and more excited about the idea of an electric.
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She'll still miss that a little bit, but not as much as I will.
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Is there a human that is more picky than you, Jon?
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- That's the one who's also hoarding the cheese graters.
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- I've got all the cheese graters.
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I have the market cornered on those suckers.
01:57:00
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- So speaking of car stuff, I have a quick question.
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So it's been, of course, as mentioned, very cold here.
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And I recently went back to the mainland
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to go some grocery shopping.
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And there was a, every time I go back,
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I currently have the FJ Cruiser parked
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in the ferry parking lot next to my car,
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and every time I go back, I just start it up
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and drive it around a little bit
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just to make sure everything still works,
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and I think you're supposed to do that for gas cars, right?
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Like start them up every so often?
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- It's usually not a bad idea, yes.
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- Right, so anyway, when I went back
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in the very cold weather this last time,
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when I went to start the car,
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let's say it was not super willing to start.
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- It's cold weather for you.
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- Right, so I want you to tell me,
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I'm gonna describe the situation,
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I want you to tell me what I need to get serviced
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or looked at, if anything.
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So the situation is I go to the car
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after it's been sitting there for probably two weeks.
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I turn, it's very cold weather.
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I turn the key and it goes,
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And then it eventually starts up, okay.
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Now, I thought battery possibly too.
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Eventually it does start after some reluctance.
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However, I go to a store, go in for a while,
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come back out, start the car again, exactly the same thing.
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- It does that every time I'm starting it
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within a day's worth of errands, not just the first start.
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- Yeah, that's not good.
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- Well, but slow down though,
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because depending on how long you're driving
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in between stops, you're probably not getting
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that much charge. - 15 minutes?
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No, it's plenty.
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I mean, like, a healthy car, like this is something
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I didn't know until I moved to Boston,
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but like, if you haven't driven your car for a while,
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then it's been really, really cold.
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when you try to start it, it will be like,
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I prefer not to do this, but we'll eventually start.
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But if you drive for any amount of time,
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even a five minute trip down to the corner
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to go to the convenience store and you turn it off
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or to get gas or whatever, it should start up better
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than it did with the total cold start.
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Even just five minutes of running should do it.
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So if you go somewhere to run an errand,
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you go into the store for five minutes,
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come back out, and still it's just as bad as it was
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when you first tried to start it,
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the problem is not just that your car was cold.
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- Right, and that's the symptom.
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But a month ago, when I bought the car,
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and it was much warmer, it would start up instantly.
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Like no delay.
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- How old is your battery?
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- I don't know, I asked the previous owner
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that when I bought it.
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- He's got the year printed on it,
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you can just open it up and look.
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- I don't think I've ever opened the hood.
01:59:33
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- Yeah, that would be a good idea.
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Find out where the battery is,
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and look for the year on the battery,
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and see how old it is, and if it's older
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than like four or five years, just get a new battery.
01:59:41
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- Yep, I agree with that.
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And I have one of those jumpstart battery things,
01:59:46
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but it was so cold and I was in such a rush
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'cause of the weird winter ferry schedule,
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I didn't even wanna try it unless I had to.
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Even the time to pop the hood, connect this thing,
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try that, even that amount of time
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would've eaten into my shopping time too much.
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- Yeah, you shouldn't have to do that.
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It's not like we're in the wilds of Canada.
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You don't need a battery warmer, as people are suggesting.
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You live on freaking Long Island, you'll be fine.
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- I don't live on the freaking line.
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I live next to the freaking line.
02:00:15
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- You do, but anyway.
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Just get a new battery.
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You should get a new battery every few years.
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I'm surprised that cars don't do this.
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Probably the fancier cars do,
02:00:24
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but cars will warn you about all sorts of stuff,
02:00:26
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but batteries last in cars last a certain amount of time,
02:00:29
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and it should, after five years or whatever,
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put a little light on your dashboard that says,
02:00:32
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"Hey, your battery seems okay now,
02:00:34
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"but it's been X number of years.
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"You should consider getting a new one."
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- Because of my reality of how hard it is to get off here,
02:00:41
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and the very quick amounts of time
02:00:43
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I have to do errands in on the mainland with the ferry,
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I figure like, I can bring this to go get service somewhere,
02:00:50
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but I can't leave it there all day
02:00:52
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and I can't leave it there overnight.
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And so I need faster solutions than that,
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something that could be done in an hour.
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- No, you can do the battery yourself.
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Just find the battery and order it
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and go pick it up in your little wagon
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and you can just do it yourself.
02:01:04
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- Oh, I'm not gonna do that. (laughs)
02:01:05
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- Yes, you absolutely can, trust me.
02:01:07
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- If I had to or I could, I'm not going to.
02:01:09
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- No, no, this is, I can't think of an easier,
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I think washing your car is harder
02:01:14
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than changing the battery in your car, honestly.
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- I mean, I can't do that either.
02:01:17
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- This is the easiest thing you could possibly do.
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- I can assure you Marco cannot wash his own car.
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- In case you see me try, it's not a pretty scene.
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- It's a battery, it's electronics.
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Like, especially if you don't care
02:01:26
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about losing all your codes or whatever
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and don't do the weird thing that I do
02:01:29
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where I never let the current flow stop to the thing,
02:01:31
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you just disconnect the terminals,
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you take the old battery out, you unscrew some screws,
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take the old battery out, put the new one in,
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screw it back in, put the terminals on, that's it.
02:01:38
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That's the whole procedure.
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You don't even need to buy any dielectric grease.
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You can just, no tools needed except for a screwdriver
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and maybe like, look in your car of like what little,
02:01:47
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you know, socket or nut you need to unscrew
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the little holder.
02:01:50
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It is, you can do this.
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You do not need to pay someone to change the car.
02:01:54
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- No, you know what?
02:01:55
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Right there, what you just said, that told me,
02:01:57
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so first of all--
02:01:58
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- You don't have any tools?
02:01:59
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- First of all, I didn't even consider the fact
02:02:00
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that I might even need dielectric grease for this.
02:02:02
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I don't even know what that is.
02:02:03
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- You don't, you don't.
02:02:04
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I was just--
02:02:05
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- So secondly, secondly, you said the Bolt,
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Okay, this is a beach vehicle.
02:02:11
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Every piece of metal in it is corroded or rusted.
02:02:13
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So there is, I guarantee you,
02:02:16
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whatever's holding the battery down is rusted.
02:02:18
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And if I try to use my crappy tools on it,
02:02:20
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it's gonna strip immediately.
02:02:21
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- You can hold the battery down with a zip tie.
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Like the only thing it's doing is literally
02:02:26
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keeping the battery from like jumping out of your car.
02:02:28
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It is not a structural member.
02:02:29
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You will not, like you just need something
02:02:32
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to hold the battery inside the car
02:02:34
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so it doesn't go flying out.
02:02:35
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And there is something that does that now.
02:02:36
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but even if that thing is rusted out,
02:02:38
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put a big zip tie around it, it will be fine.
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It's not a structural member.
02:02:42
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I believe in you.
02:02:43
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- Second question, are there like,
02:02:46
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is this the kind of thing that I could drive up
02:02:47
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to like any service place and get done quickly,
02:02:50
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or are there like special batteries?
02:02:52
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- They'll charge you a million dollars
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if you try to buy a battery through somebody,
02:02:55
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'cause they're gonna put their profit margin on it.
02:02:57
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If you go to the dealer,
02:02:57
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they're gonna charge you $400 for the battery,
02:02:59
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just buy a battery yourself in an auto box.
02:03:01
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- They're that much from dealers?
02:03:02
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'Cause what are they new, like 150 bucks?
02:03:04
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- Everything is that much a dealer.
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Do not buy tires at a car dealer.
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Do not buy a car battery at a car dealer.
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They will cost you way more.
02:03:10
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I mean, it depends on the car.
02:03:12
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Like a Honda, when I buy,
02:03:13
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I actually bought an official OEM Honda car battery
02:03:15
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just because the Honda parts place near me
02:03:17
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has them at like a reasonable price,
02:03:19
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but in general you don't want to buy
02:03:21
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things like that through a dealer.
02:03:22
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- See I was always, even before my like leasing days,
02:03:26
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I was mostly a dealer service person
02:03:29
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because I was so scared of like doing something wrong.
02:03:32
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And growing up, like we didn't,
02:03:33
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Like we had relatively little money growing up
02:03:35
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and so we would go to like the non-dealer mechanics
02:03:39
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for all of our car services
02:03:40
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and we had very mixed experiences that way.
02:03:45
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Not everything went well there.
02:03:47
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So I don't know, I've kind of always been a dealer person.
02:03:50
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- Yeah, I'm big on going to a dealer.
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The main reason I heavily endorse a dealer
02:03:54
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for doing like maintenance and stuff
02:03:55
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is because I want someone from my specific car,
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I want someone who has worked on a thousand Accords,
02:03:59
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like exactly what I want.
02:04:00
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- Right, that's what I want.
02:04:02
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Right, they know every single,
02:04:04
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every little part that is weird,
02:04:06
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the thing you have to be careful of or whatever,
02:04:07
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and the highest chance of getting that as a dealer.
02:04:09
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But certain things you never get at the dealer,
02:04:11
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and those are things that don't require
02:04:13
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any expertise to install,
02:04:15
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and that you can get way cheaper elsewhere.
02:04:18
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Tires are probably the biggest one,
02:04:19
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'cause if you try to buy tires,
02:04:20
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even at the Honda dealer,
02:04:21
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they're literally twice the price
02:04:23
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of buying tires elsewhere, right?
02:04:25
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Batteries are often hilariously expensive,
02:04:28
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more so on fancy cars,
02:04:29
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like if you try to get the battery changed
02:04:32
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on your M5, that battery's probably $600.
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Like I kid you not.
02:04:37
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- Well they have to figure out where the hell it is.
02:04:39
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- Yeah, it's in the trunk.
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And aftermarket ones will cost you much, much less.
02:04:45
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- Well, but with a BMW, you absolutely need to have it done
02:04:48
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at a dealer because then they need to tell the computer
02:04:50
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it's a brand new battery.
02:04:51
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- Have to reset all the codes with the computer thingy
02:04:53
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and do all the--
02:04:54
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- See, and that's the kind of thing I'd be a little bit
02:04:56
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afraid of dealing with.
02:04:57
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- But you don't need to do that on your 1990s Toyota FJ
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or whatever the hell you have.
02:05:01
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- It's a 24-size battery. - It's a 24-size battery.
02:05:02
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- Just go to AutoZone, enter in the year,
02:05:05
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make a model of your car, it'll say,
02:05:06
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"We have these three batteries to choose from,
02:05:07
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"pick the second most expensive one."
02:05:09
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- I'm pretty sure they'll do it for you, actually,
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even at an AutoZone.
02:05:12
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I don't know that for sure, but I thought that would.
02:05:14
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- I want Marco to do this himself,
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just so he knows that he can do it.
02:05:16
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- Oh, that's not gonna happen.
02:05:17
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- There's no chance of that happening.
02:05:19
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- Let Adam do it, it is so easy.
02:05:22
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I don't do anything to my car, I do not change the oil,
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I don't change brake pads, I do not do any car repair,
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and I've changed so many car batteries.
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- It is a thing you can do.
02:05:31
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- No, no, it is a thing you can do.
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Again, can and will are different things.
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It's a thing that I will not do,
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but I probably could if I really had to.
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- But it's so inconvenient for you
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to drive somewhere to do it, though.
02:05:42
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- But it's even more convenient for me
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to try to do it myself in the ferry parking lot
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in 17 degree weather in five minutes.
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- Well, you're gonna be going there anyway
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to bring whatever your next haul of shipment goods are
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to back to your house, though.
02:05:54
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- Groceries, they're called groceries.
02:05:56
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- Well, whatever it is, you're always ordering things
02:05:58
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from Amazon and stuff.
02:05:59
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the battery would just be one more, you've got a wagon.
02:06:02
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- It's like bags of kale, coconuts.
02:06:05
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- Well, so just throw a car battery on the stack,
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it'll be fine.
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- Here we go, member perk.
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We will record the FaceTime call between you two.
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- He just recorded himself doing it.
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Someone with warmer hands than him just recorded
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with his phone, he says, here's Marco,
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he's opening up the hood, he's trying to find
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where the battery is, and now he's realizing
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you can't just pull the terminals off,
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but they have this little thing on it
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that's shaped like a octagon, and how do I get that off?
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- It's probably totally rusted out.
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- How much rust is there on it?
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How much rust could an FJ rust if a FJ could rust rust?
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- At least take a picture of the car battery
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so we can see what condition the terminals are in.
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- I have to figure out how to open the hood.
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- That I also believe you can do.
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Sit in the driver's seat and probably look down
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to your left for a thing that you can pull
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that shows like a little outline of a car
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with a hood opening.
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- Yeah, but there's gonna be some weird latch
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I have to actually then find under the actual hood lip
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and that's gonna be corroded.
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- You can do that too.
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If only you had read the owner's manual.
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- You need to watch more end of the world media,
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like movies and TV shows where the world has ended,
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just to see, just to get you up to speed
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on all the things you're gonna have to do.
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Like figure out how to open the hood of your car
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when no one else is there to do it for you.
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- I'll just walk away at that point.
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He's like, "Well, I guess I don't have a car anymore.
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This one won't start."
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- It's just gonna turn to dust.
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- Marco's definitely big on the bicycle apocalypse.
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[door closes]