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00:00:00   oh oh that's delightful oh your house is on fire also yeah that's not good at all

00:00:05   all right hold on let me deal with that hold on i'll be back yeah that's we can't just let that

00:00:10   one go we have to actually go deal with it you can just take that out and post

00:00:14   that's so loud it is it's piercing it's doing its job i can't wait to hear what this was

00:00:21   assuming it's not actual smoke i always i and like i've been to case's house i know it's not

00:00:28   like this but i always picture like there's always some calamity like i always picture like you live

00:00:31   in like a cartoon well that was super fun so what was it i the fire alarms just randomly decided

00:00:38   that something was wrong and then quieted themselves which means it's probably going to

00:00:41   happen again at some point which will be super fun do you have carbon monoxide detectors uh yes

00:00:45   we do have a carbon monoxide detector but it is not what went off we have a whole home setup

00:00:50   under this is probably common but when one goes off all them goes off but i didn't touch any of

00:00:54   them no one is cooking anything or showering near one no no do you have any dusty spiders walking

00:00:59   through them well in that all kidding aside i think that's probably what happened i'm not even

00:01:04   trying to be funny because this has happened in the past um typically in the middle of the night

00:01:07   but uh but yeah as far as i know everything's okay famous this should be good does erin agree

00:01:15   she agreed that there's nothing on fire in your house do you have a second opinion

00:01:18   yeah it's worth getting a second opinion yeah right uh if this happens again i guess what i'll

00:01:24   do is you'll hear it for a split second and i'll unplug my mic no no leave it in leave it in well

00:01:30   no because what if it goes on for like 15 seconds that's gonna be annoying for everyone take it out

00:01:33   in the edit in the edit fixes it please don't unplug your mic in the middle of recording it'll

00:01:36   do weird things when you plug it back in did he just mute himself or did he just unplug it again

00:01:41   just don't don't unplug your mic during recording please don't change your level either please

00:01:47   whatever you're doing just don't mess with it when we're recording just don't touch it just leave it

00:01:51   leave it leave it don't touch it sorry i wasn't listening to anything you said good

00:01:58   perhaps this is the appropriate time to mention that we did have electricians at the house working

00:02:05   on the screened in porch today hypothetically one should not relate to the other i believe

00:02:10   you're referring to the secret expansion project of the house that you have not disclosed on the

00:02:14   show oh well hey guess what we're putting a screened in porch on the house uh by the way

00:02:19   if you're interested atp.fm join that would be extremely helpful right now uh and also merchandise

00:02:25   is coming merchandise is coming uh but anyways uh yes so the secret project that definitely is not a

00:02:30   screened in porch i gotta say i love a screened in porch they're so nice it's the best uh so yeah we

00:02:37   had the electricians they already did the rough in uh which is like getting the wires approximately

00:02:41   to where they're supposed to be uh and then uh today they were doing some but not all of the

00:02:47   final stuff additionally the structure itself got its final county approval which is good from the

00:02:53   building people so uh that means they think it won't fall down which is good that's a start

00:02:58   that's a start uh yeah so we've uh been well we were living in it in a figurative sense for the

00:03:05   last several days but about a week ago we entered pollen season here in virginia and hoo boy oh

00:03:11   it's either i'm getting more sensitive which is certainly possible and or it's getting worse and

00:03:17   worse with each passing day wasn't i think there actually might be some science that it actually is

00:03:22   getting worse most years i don't know it's so bad so deckland today i haven't driven my car in a

00:03:27   couple of days and we had the garage door open the garage door is typically open most of the day

00:03:33   for various uninteresting reasons and uh deckland walked up to the hood of my car and i see him going

00:03:39   i'm like what are you what do you oh and i'm watching the pollen just like

00:03:44   i would just just float off of the roof off of the hood of the car because it's just it's so thick

00:03:49   that it's just billowing off the hood and oh god it's so it's terrible all that to say you know we

00:03:57   really love the screened in porch that now at least has lights in it so we could go out there

00:04:01   in the evening time uh but we can't really enjoy it because we're covered it's covered in yellow

00:04:07   all the time you have those hepa filter screens on your screen in porch yeah that's what i need to do

00:04:12   for us aaron pretty much dictated and i mean that in a happy way not not in an angry way dictated

00:04:20   what the design of the screened in porch would be in terms of size and you know what what's what and

00:04:24   so on and so forth but i basically told her hey i'll take care of the electrical and and wait by

00:04:29   that you mean you're going to decide what it is oh yes you're going to actually run the wires oh god

00:04:34   no absolutely not don't oh goodness no uh to put things in perspective i wanted to change out a

00:04:40   light switch from a traditional light switch to a lutron caseta light switch because i forgot to

00:04:44   give it to the electricians today and aaron was like no no no no no no no no no no just just let

00:04:49   them do that when they come back it'll be fine okay honey and she's right to tell me no because

00:04:54   i probably would screw it up somehow i mean like with like i've put in a lot of my own light

00:04:58   switches like you know swapping them over time and like the old house and it's you can you could do

00:05:04   it but you shouldn't do it like and if you had to do it it would probably be fine i've done again

00:05:09   i've done it and the ones i've done have been fine for many many years but i know an electrician

00:05:16   would do a better job than i did yeah you know like like just things like you know like i like

00:05:20   having to like you know make making the perfect loop shape with the with the solid core wire you

00:05:26   know or or like you know making sure like making giving it like exactly the right amount of slack

00:05:31   of the wire in the box so that when you have to push it in it doesn't like squish in a weird way

00:05:36   you know just stuff like there's little details like that that because i have also had electricians

00:05:39   do stuff like that here and there and when they do it it is so much nicer than what i do

00:05:43   well anyway i was what i was driving at and the question i have for you guys is when you have done

00:05:49   any sort of renovation or improvement or refactor for life a better word to your to your home has

00:05:55   has there been a like pretty clear division of labor because aaron said you know i i said aaron

00:06:00   and aaron said to me like you know i'll take care of the the kind of physical setup of the place and

00:06:04   i said you know i'll i'll take care of what electrical needs to go where and so as an example

00:06:09   we had a bit of a not a marital issue but there was a conversation about whether or not we should

00:06:15   about whether or not we should have um infrared heaters on the screened-in porch because i wanted

00:06:22   to be able to use the screened-in port not the bomb i should say we wanted to be able to use

00:06:26   the screened-in porch uh for you know into the parts of the year when maybe it wouldn't be

00:06:31   terribly convenient you know when it's like 50 or 60 degrees outside rather than 70 or 80 degrees

00:06:35   outside and and i eventually won that discussion and we do have infrared heaters that i turned on

00:06:42   for the first time today which is very exciting but um but i was curious you know did did you

00:06:46   guys when you've gone through renovations and you don't have to be specific about the renovations but

00:06:50   did you have like clear divisions of labor or was it just one person doing all the work neither one

00:06:56   it was a collaboration everything everything was a collaboration you're not working i'm gonna work

00:07:00   in teams everyone's all got opinions on everything and usually one person feels more strong than the

00:07:05   other about any specific thing and you work it out yeah i mean that's more or less what happened with

00:07:10   us but if you look at it you know at a macro level she had much stronger opinions about you know the

00:07:16   the physical design of the porch and i had much stronger opinions about the electrical and so it

00:07:19   kind of worked out but i don't marco you've done things on and off over the years what did it end

00:07:24   up for you guys pretty collaborative um as as time has gone on like like the the first time we did

00:07:32   anything it was we were super heavily involved part of that was because we had a really terrible

00:07:37   very cheap contractor and we kind of had to micromanage things because the contractor wouldn't

00:07:44   or couldn't and me and like and like for a later thing that we did um we hired a better contractor

00:07:51   and we had this we had to do and say almost nothing for that because like you know like it was it was

00:07:56   somebody good who kind of like ran ran his own ship correctly and so we didn't need to be doing much

00:08:03   um and and like the first one we had an architect the second one we didn't um because it was like

00:08:08   the first one was like gutting a bunch of rooms second one was like one room so it wasn't that

00:08:12   big of a thing but um architects are supposed to be the ones when you're doing bigger bigger jobs

00:08:18   they're the ones that specify like where the outlets go and stuff like that but you can also

00:08:21   tell them like i want one here or i or can move this over here or whatever because you know they

00:08:25   have to follow certain codes of like they have to be within a certain number of feet of various

00:08:29   things and a certain frequency and a certain type and certain height and all this other stuff but

00:08:33   to the degree that decisions were ours to make yeah we would we would do a lot of them ourselves

00:08:39   when in areas that we cared about but we wouldn't specify like oh i want the beams to run this

00:08:44   direction because we don't know or care how that should or should or needs to be done but certainly

00:08:50   as projects go on you get decision fatigue and so like the first parts of the project we super care

00:08:57   and then as the project goes on you're like i just just do whatever just do whatever's right

00:09:02   just you pick i don't we don't just just get it done please for the love of god get out of our

00:09:05   house like that that kind of thing so that will happen here don't worry right now it's it sounds

00:09:11   like it's roughly the middle of your project so no no it's actually pretty close to the end at this

00:09:16   point okay the physical construction is already done i think we're one to two working days away

00:09:21   from the electrical being done and when that's done it's done so oh okay i think i i don't know

00:09:26   when the electricians are going to be able to come back out because they're pretty busy but

00:09:29   uh it seems like as early as the end of the week it'll be in fact potentially even tomorrow but i

00:09:34   doubt it but i think by the end of the week it's possible that uh it'll be done done and uh and

00:09:40   that would be really exciting but i don't know i'm i'm this is the first time we've done a really

00:09:46   really big renovation like we redid the kitchen i don't know right around the time that decalin was

00:09:50   born and we redid the hvac uh about the same time actually i think it was it was happening at the

00:09:55   same time same time is it coincident or coincident when it's happening at the same time which what's

00:10:00   the right pronunciation there affluent affluent that's what it is thank you those were more like

00:10:04   take the things that we have now and make them not suck as opposed to like let's construct something

00:10:10   new and uh new and exciting and that's what this is so uh and in i shouldn't say happier news i

00:10:16   was gonna say happier news but in in extraordinarily happy news all three of atp is now on the

00:10:22   vaccination train am i right you are right all right all right got lucky uh friend of the show

00:10:29   paul kafasas uh maker of uh what many audio apps including the one we're all using right now to

00:10:34   record this audio hijack yep um gave me a late-breaking tip uh in the middle of the night

00:10:39   saying hey uh this place near us because he lives in this area as well um has vaccines available and

00:10:45   apparently they have too many of them and not enough people to give them to so on the little

00:10:49   signup website they basically said look when you go through this thing enter this thing here uh you

00:10:54   know it says like have you been contacted by a community outreach person for a vaccine and just

00:10:58   say yes to that that's what their website said so i went through it answered all the questions

00:11:02   completely honestly said yes to the community outreach thing it said congratulations you can

00:11:06   get a vaccine so i went today with my son we both got ours uh they were even taking walk-ins people

00:11:12   would just show up like no no appointment no nothing they would just show up and they would

00:11:16   say here fill out this paperwork and then get in line because they got vaccines to give and they're

00:11:20   only there i think they're only there today and then they're only going to be there you know three

00:11:23   weeks from now to do all the second rounds because it was Pfizer um so uh that that was good i mean

00:11:30   you know i'm glad i i'm glad i could finally close all those windows and tabs of all this obsessive

00:11:34   searching for vaccine appointments uh and it's not even you know normally i would have to wait five

00:11:39   more days to be eligible but this place had them and needed to get rid of them and i was more than

00:11:43   happy to take some let me ask you something were the staff there like kind of whatever or were they

00:11:49   super excited because in my vaccination story which i i described in detail in the most recent analog

00:11:54   when i went they were like overjoyed to be giving vaccinations to whoever showed up they were so

00:12:02   excited to be doing this for people and it was really really lovely and i don't know if that

00:12:06   is a southern thing or if that was a we're saving lives thing but how were they where you were

00:12:11   i didn't know it be it might be a southern thing or a collegiate thing or something but uh i mean

00:12:16   everyone was fine they all looked like they were 12 years old but that's just because i'm an old

00:12:20   person um but the person who was giving me the shot asked me if i was excited i was like just

00:12:25   just do it it's just like i don't have time for small talk oh josh i want to keep the line moving

00:12:31   you know we gotta go through this there was that's a new yorker talking right there that's

00:12:35   great new york there was actually a line like it wasn't even though they were taking walk-ins

00:12:39   the walk-ins would fill out a thing and then they had to get in line but the line was moving right

00:12:42   so it was only i was there for less than an hour to get through the whole thing

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00:14:32   let's start with some follow-up john i am extremely excited to know i've been waiting with

00:14:39   bated breath what is going on with your smart outlet i talked about my redoing my home network

00:14:43   and my smart out was the one thing that i didn't uh get to work and this is a weird having multiple

00:14:49   podcasts i know i talked about it extensively on rectiffs but on this podcast i just sort of

00:14:55   mentioned it and then you know talked about some other stuff that went on our way i should have at

00:15:00   least probably given a little bit more detail because many many people have suggestions of

00:15:04   things that i could do to perhaps get my smart outlet to work i thank everyone for their

00:15:08   suggestions there's no explanation that they could have heard an as yet unreleased episode of rectiffs

00:15:13   and know all the things i tried but i did try many many things all prior to recording the podcast i

00:15:19   haven't had time to mess with it anymore but anyway just to list some of the things i tried

00:15:22   because these may help you with your uh smart outlet or smart thing that's having problems

00:15:27   one of them is some smart devices only support 2.4 gigahertz if they're wi-fi things and if you

00:15:34   have a 2.5 and 5 gigahertz wi-fi network sometimes there's some you know miscommunication where the

00:15:41   device will try to join the 2.4 gigahertz but your phone will be on the 5 then won't be able to talk

00:15:46   or all sorts of stuff like that so the ero has a nice option this is this is a common enough issue

00:15:50   that the ero app actually has an option just a separate dedicated thing that says disable 5

00:15:55   gigahertz for a little while it's like it's like the bit more button on those toasters you know like

00:16:00   you just press it once and it's like self-timing it will reset itself because you know you don't

00:16:05   want to turn off 5 gigahertz everywhere right so you just you press it and it turns off 5 gigahertz

00:16:09   for like 10 minutes to give you a chance to set up stuff so that's the thing you can try didn't work

00:16:14   in my case wpa3 is out now as kind of an experimental feature on the ero thing i have that

00:16:20   enabled one of the support people at ero said why don't you try disabling that it did no difference

00:16:25   ipv6 on and off it's another thing you can try no difference in my end ero has this extra security

00:16:31   thing for homekit where you can turn this feature on and first of all add all the euros as homekit

00:16:35   devices so you can see all your various wi-fi hubs but also it has this thing that'll like limit what

00:16:41   other devices the that your sort of home you know homekit stuff can communicate with to prevent like

00:16:47   you know a light switch from communicating with your computer to somehow tunnel information out

00:16:51   of your home or something i don't know i don't know it's basically just you know confining them

00:16:54   in their network and so maybe that's the problem try that on and off i'm probably missing other

00:16:59   things that i've tried but i tried many many different things i'm in communication with both

00:17:04   ero and the smart outlet maker going through various support things i think i'm at the point

00:17:09   with both of them where they want to essentially get me on the phone in real time and try a bunch

00:17:12   of stuff i did find a reproducible crasher in the uh the app that belongs to the outlet not the home

00:17:17   app but the the specific app for the outlet and so there they have a fix for that crash and i'm

00:17:22   getting on a test flight to try that but i don't think that was the problem because you know you

00:17:26   should be able to add this with homekit anyway so uh the short answer is still no smart outlets and

00:17:31   we're noticing in the house how many people are used to speaking to the air now that we've had

00:17:34   this thing for like you know i don't know multiple years now um and now you have to turn the lights

00:17:39   on and off with your fingers it's terrible um what a hardship i've seen people speak into the air

00:17:46   and then just sit there for a second and realize oh nothing's that which isn't that strange because

00:17:49   half the time we speak into the air and then the home pod says you know haven't heard back from

00:17:53   your devices and then we have to speak into the air again and ask somebody else to do it

00:17:56   but now you're speaking to the air and nothing happens ever because they're just plugged into

00:18:02   the wall oh it's a hard life yeah so we're working on it again i'm i'm it's not that i back-burned

00:18:09   it i feel bad that i have an email something there's only so much time i can dedicate to

00:18:12   fighting with smart outlets you know it's funny i i really want to make fun of you for this but

00:18:17   one of the um discussions and conversations aaron and i had about the porch was whether or not

00:18:22   lutron casetas were necessary for like fans that are out there because my perspective was i might

00:18:27   want to tweak the speed of the fan and i don't have to get up to do that that's barbaric and

00:18:32   her point was this porch isn't that big you can get off your butt and uh it ends up that i won

00:18:37   that fight because he basically just didn't want to continue to hear me complain and moan

00:18:41   but nevertheless uh i totally hear what you're saying john i have a question for you where in

00:18:46   the ero app just for pure curiosity's sake is the 5g switch maybe it's because you're on newer

00:18:51   hardware than me but i just don't see that anywhere no it's not easy to find i so i use

00:18:56   the switch multiple times like i used it myself and then i was on i was in support email and they

00:19:00   asked me to do it and like oh i found that feature on my own and i already tried it but i'll try it

00:19:04   again right and then like the third time it happened like someone mentioned on on twitter

00:19:10   and they're like oh you should try turning a five gigahertz i'm like you know and they said oh you

00:19:14   you have to call ero to do that and i was i replied i was gonna say no it's in the app now and i was

00:19:18   gonna send them a screenshot of it in the app and i couldn't find it i was like i've used this feature

00:19:23   twice how can i not find it anyway i it's under troubleshooting it's hard to find you go to

00:19:28   troubleshooting you go under like my device can't connect eventually you dig down the troubleshooting

00:19:32   menu tree you get to a leaf node that says like disable five gigahertz for 10 minutes or something

00:19:38   so it is fairly well hidden but if you're desperate and trying everything you probably will end up in

00:19:42   the troubleshooting section of the ero app and then you will find this option for whatever it's

00:19:46   worth i have actually for a few months at least now um i've faced similar issues with five gigahertz

00:19:53   networks having problems with certain devices connecting to them or getting confused by like

00:19:58   their ssid being the same as the 2.4 ssid and so i actually have like one of one of the random

00:20:06   nerdy things you can do with ubiquity stuff is you can you can create as many networks as you want

00:20:10   like as many network name broadcasts as you want you can specify all sorts of different things about

00:20:14   them and one of the things i do is i broadcast a version of my ssid that is that has no space

00:20:23   and only like basic ascii characters like only the only basic letters in in the name that was

00:20:29   one of the troubleshooting options uh so troubleshooting suggestions i think from both ends

00:20:33   and i tried it i did i did what you're just describing just fyi i didn't do anything but

00:20:37   gone anyway but yeah so it's because i found like like certain devices like my my ssid contains a

00:20:43   smart quote and you know you can't even type that on a lot of devices that have like they're like

00:20:49   like on a nest thermostat there's like no way to type that in um and it so and if it doesn't show

00:20:54   up in the in like a list of browse things you basically can't you can't basically can't use it

00:21:00   like i had some kind of like crazy epson printer i had to set up wirelessly that like it just couldn't

00:21:05   join the network at all no matter what because it had an apostrophe in it like a smart quote so i

00:21:10   have this whole separate ssid again 2.4 only only the letters in the name and it's not broadcast like

00:21:17   it's not advertised as it doesn't advertise its name it's for people's lists so that way it doesn't

00:21:22   clutter up my wi-fi menu when i when i look at it and and like you know when we have guests over they

00:21:27   don't actually accidentally try to join it or something but i can easily type it in to any

00:21:32   to any device and because it's 2.4 only and has a different name technically than my main one that

00:21:38   has five point five point eight and two point four on it there's no conflict there's no potential for

00:21:42   conflict so i and i've actually had a few devices that only worked when they were connected to that

00:21:46   network and not my main one yeah and the other thing to want to remind people is that this smart

00:21:51   outlet was connected to this very set of euro hardware for wi-fi and always has been is the

00:21:57   only thing that's ever been connected to the only difference is now all of a sudden the euro is doing

00:22:01   routing that's why i think it has probably something to do with my router setup but i don't know what

00:22:04   to change on it other than the stuff i've already tried but yeah it's super weird because it's not

00:22:08   like this isn't new hardware it's not like it's new wi-fi like if there was any incompatibility

00:22:13   between this smart outlet and my era wi-fi how did it work for the past two years or whatever right

00:22:17   so it's it's probably just like i'm distributing ip addresses wrong or some other weird bug and you

00:22:23   know anyway i'm it's a background it's a background task i'm working on it but it's not the most

00:22:28   important thing all right tell me about electrical resistive heating please yeah i don't think it was

00:22:33   clear enough in this when we were talking about uh things you can do with electricity that are

00:22:36   constructive is like what i'm using electricity anyway to and it's producing heat why don't i do

00:22:41   something useful for that electricity like uh mine for bitcoin or something anyway and we got into

00:22:46   discussion of heat pumps versus electrical heating which is confusing because uh many or most heat

00:22:52   pumps use electricity to do their job and what we didn't distinguish between is uh sort of electrical

00:22:59   resistive heating where electricity comes into your home from the outside right and you basically run

00:23:05   that electricity through something that has resistance and turn that electricity into heat

00:23:09   and you can turn pretty much 100 it's really easy to turn stuff into heat in general like you can

00:23:13   turn pretty much 100 of that electricity into waste heat uh and you can use that to heat your

00:23:18   own and that's what i was talking about as the fairly inefficient and you know i just got kind

00:23:23   of electrical heating and i just got done saying well if i can turn all the electricity into heat

00:23:27   how is that inefficient isn't that like 100 efficient uh that's again where you should watch

00:23:31   the videos that we linked last week to learn that it is much more efficient to simply use that

00:23:36   electricity to transfer pre-existing heat that you didn't have to pay to generate from a place where

00:23:42   it isn't from a place where it is to a place where it isn't so heat pumps take heat from outside your

00:23:47   home and put it into your home and you may be thinking well there's no heat outside my home

00:23:50   when it's cold out again you need to watch the video so heat pumps they're cool they use

00:23:55   electricity they're not the same as electrical resistive heating and yes it is very possible

00:23:59   to get a better efficiency than you get for electrical resistive heating even though all the

00:24:04   electricity and electro-electric resistive heating essentially turns into heat you can do even better

00:24:08   if you don't have to make the heat in the first place all right a lot of people wrote in with

00:24:13   regard to uh with with corrections and also supplementary information for marco with regard

00:24:18   to carplay and with charging which we'll get to in a second but something that i didn't know and

00:24:23   i'm kind of embarrassed that i didn't know this but i'll bring it up on the show in case other

00:24:27   people didn't know this lots of people said that if you have like a dictation button on your steering

00:24:33   wheel if you long press it's like a press and hold it will activate siri when carplay is connected

00:24:40   and my mind exploded because i had no idea that was the case my volkswagen has a dictation button

00:24:47   on the steering wheel i honestly don't remember if aaron's car does i don't think it does but

00:24:51   nevertheless my volkswagen definitely does and when i tap that button or you know just just

00:24:55   momentarily press that button it always does volkswagen's dictation system setup or whatever

00:25:01   and it's always garbage as every car dictation i've ever tried is always garbage all of them always

00:25:06   oh yeah exactly but turns out when you mash down on it for like a second or two it'll activate

00:25:13   siri if carplay is is enabled and connected and i honest to goodness i had no idea that was the case

00:25:18   and this is going to change my life so thank you to all of you who wrote in and told us that that

00:25:24   was extremely interesting news to me that i did not know yeah we've we heard from a bunch of people

00:25:29   who were all correcting me on how wrong i was about how bad carplay and bmw's was apparently

00:25:36   not only that but also i had forgotten i think we even talked about this in neutral at some point

00:25:40   but i had forgotten that with the old bmw i drive systems where you'd you'd still have those like

00:25:46   one through nine memory buttons like like radio buttons across the front of the dash i forgot

00:25:51   i'd forgotten that you can actually hold those down and program in a shortcut to any any screen

00:25:57   in i drive oh yeah so you don't have to just program number one to a radio station you can

00:26:02   program it to the carplay screen or any other screen in i drive and so some people suggested

00:26:06   if i want like a hardware button to jump right to carplay all the time just program in like button

00:26:10   number one to that so we'll try that next time i'm in that car and yeah you're right the press and

00:26:15   hold uh for the for the button apparently we'll also do uh siri so that's that's also very good

00:26:21   and i was told by many people also that apparently the the non-touch screen and ancient i drive

00:26:26   system in the i3 is apparently way behind the systems that are in literally every other bmw

00:26:33   even though this is a model year 2019 car it's not that old but the i3 hasn't really been very

00:26:39   well updated over time so it apparently is still running an old generation of stuff apparently the

00:26:44   new car place in bmws apparently they all have touch screens and they are like way better so

00:26:50   apparently this problem has been solved in all the other models except for the i3 you can twirl

00:26:55   your finger in front of the new ones to turn the volume up and down oh great yeah that's true by

00:27:01   the way that's not that's not a sarcasm you really could do that in some way and we also heard from

00:27:05   people who drove lots of other kinds of cars who basically said that the the dream setup i had

00:27:10   talked about of having it like just being carplay and have quick buttons to jump around between like

00:27:16   the map and music app apparently like every other car maker offers that that's we we were we had so

00:27:22   many people write it and say like oh i drive home you know whatever and yeah that's apparently very

00:27:26   common so pretty much it sounds like pretty much everybody except tesla uh has very good carplay

00:27:32   options for their vehicles and that brings us to some feedback from friend of the show dave nanian

00:27:36   who is the primary author of super duper which is some really great backup software which we'll put

00:27:40   a link in the show notes dave writes there are only three charge plugs used in the united states the

00:27:44   tesla one the leaf one and css or excuse me ccs which everyone else uses and there's a link to evgo

00:27:51   dot com which details all the different uh different electric vehicles and what plugs they use and

00:27:58   approximately what their range are and so on and so forth uh dave continues so the bmw plug is the

00:28:02   one used by nearly everything including his take take on take can what is it john ty can it's ty

00:28:07   can like the tie you wear on your neck and like a can of soup that's my guess right now don't worry

00:28:12   like everything else about porsche every way we possibly could say it is wrong yeah i believe it's

00:28:17   porsche marco porsche uh so his porsche in his porsche t t kettle that's uh so anyway tate

00:28:24   continues i've had very little problem finding fast chargers and uh but i'm not driving where

00:28:30   marco is so also boy you're john and casey right you knew i had to include this feedback when that

00:28:35   phrase was part of it marco needs to actually look at non-teslas i'm really much happier with

00:28:40   my tycon than i am with my admittedly early model s it's a far better car and i'm sure that the

00:28:45   audi e-tron gt is similarly great uh i i thought this was good feedback because i honestly had no

00:28:50   clue what the charging situation was across all these different brands and all these different

00:28:54   vehicles but i i also like someone who has lived your life marco saying please please leave

00:29:02   the tesla bubble just at least to look it doesn't hurt to look you can look just look there's other

00:29:08   things out there and they're good so i will counter this argument with oh no with um you know so the

00:29:15   very first line of david aden's email here about the charge plugs yeah so i had said in the last

00:29:20   show that that the i3 had some weird plug that nothing else had and i had a very hard time like

00:29:26   finding fast chargers for it on like the public networks to find to look at chargers you know

00:29:32   dave says there's only three charge plugs in the u.s tesla one the leaf one which is the chattel

00:29:37   mo and ccs which is used everywhere else and apparently that's like the standard in europe

00:29:40   so much so that even tesla uses ccs in europe i believe they were forced to uh anyway the

00:29:45   tesla one comma the leaf one comma and this thing everyone else uses tesla and the leaf are super

00:29:52   popular it's like the number one available one and then this other one that's on this very popular

00:29:58   other car so it's not like ccs is like the majority of everything by like total unit sales so that's

00:30:08   that's like two very big ifs that's like saying like you can use this website that works on

00:30:12   everything except chrome it's like okay well that's kind of it's kind of a problem i'm gonna

00:30:18   guess that ccs the more cars with ccs are sold in the u.s than any other ev but that's just a guess

00:30:23   i'm sure we'll find out by next week i honestly i'd be surprised i i would assume that tesla has

00:30:29   everyone beat on on total unit sales for evs but yeah the model the model 3 really is the big factor

00:30:34   they're gonna feel like yeah at least in the u.s tons of models 3s are sold but i but i'd see tons

00:30:38   of other i mean maybe if you don't if you don't count plug-in hybrids it changes you know what

00:30:42   i mean because i think a lot of cars no i wouldn't count plug-in hybrids and they have the ccs

00:30:46   connector though do they do do they get fast charge because you only need you only need like

00:30:50   the the bottom extra pins if you're doing dc fast charging so anyway going back to this so we got an

00:30:55   email from devin who makes a really good point uh as someone who owns both a nissan leaf and a tesla

00:31:01   once you want to drive more than 100 to 200 miles away from the home point you can't really find

00:31:05   charging reliably tesla is so far ahead of the charging game and super charging spots are so

00:31:10   rock solid i've come up on many quick charger stations in my leaf that i absolutely needed to

00:31:15   continue my trip and then the station is broken and there's only one unit unless you've driven on

00:31:19   both charging networks you really don't appreciate how important the tesla network is i'll take that

00:31:23   over carplay any day so that's from devin i mean the leaf has terrible range though i mean to be

00:31:28   fair agreed but i think this is a major factor that when i was looking for chargers one of the

00:31:34   reasons i didn't find that many first of all is that there are way more slow chargers than fast

00:31:39   charge if you actually want dc fast charging there are way fewer of those than there are like hotels

00:31:45   that happen to have a 220 charger in their parking lot so and if you're going on a long trip you want

00:31:49   dc fast charging you don't want to be sitting there for seven hours while your car charges

00:31:53   you know so you know you want actual fast charging like that's what that's what superchargers are

00:31:57   direct dc directly into batteries so anyway there simply aren't very many of those in the u.s in

00:32:02   many places i think tesla has webinar coverage and then i totally see that this is this is the

00:32:08   reality here like when you when you do find one of those dc fast chargers that has a ccs plug

00:32:13   it's usually really just like one unit or there it's like you know in some parking lot of some

00:32:18   you know some place you don't want to be it's like in some like tucked away in some like terrible

00:32:23   parking lot behind a warehouse and there's like one ccs charger and like okay well if you're

00:32:29   going to drive to that and there's no more in a very close range you're going to have to be darn

00:32:34   sure that's going to be there and work and be available to you and not be already taken whereas

00:32:40   the supercharger network is just so nice and so consistent and the car knows where it is so like

00:32:45   you know in order for me to find a fast charge place for the i3 i have to like pull over somewhere

00:32:51   take out my phone open up various apps to figure out like where these things are and then like

00:32:55   manually get myself there in every tesla they have a map on the screen that's updated constantly with

00:33:01   supercharger statuses and locations and they they're marked clearly and you can just tap them

00:33:05   if you're using the car's navigation it will automatically route you to them as needed along

00:33:09   long journeys and you can see on the screen how many like charging parking spots charging bays or

00:33:15   whatever they're called are in each charger it tells you whether each one is taken so you can

00:33:20   you can see if you're in a super busy area like maybe like you know the la san francisco corridor

00:33:24   you can see okay well this one is full right now but the one a few miles up is not so i'll wait for

00:33:29   that one i've never actually seen one full not even close but anyway so this is like it's really

00:33:34   nice to have tesla supercharger network with the integration with the car and everything else

00:33:39   because it's it's a very easy it's almost like apple versus other crap that you cobbled it's

00:33:44   like running a mac versus running desktop linux you can do it you can you can run desktop linux

00:33:50   but you're signing yourself up for more work and at least things being a lot less nice than they

00:33:54   are when you have like a total you know integrated experience the value of the supercharger network

00:33:59   to people who don't drive tesla i think is underrated i really think that's a significant

00:34:04   nice factor and significant lock-in i think i half agree with you i think i agree that as much as i

00:34:12   do like to snark about tesla which is it's become you know kind of a pastime of mine at this point

00:34:17   i i really do think that that there are a lot of great things about tesla and one of the best is

00:34:24   unquestionably the supercharger network and it is certainly much better done than any of the

00:34:29   alternatives that being said my limited understanding and i'll and i'll be the first to tell you i don't

00:34:34   have an electric car so i i don't really have to live this life but my limited understanding is that

00:34:40   the non-tesla super you know the the charging network that isn't superchargers has gotten

00:34:46   considerably better in just the last year or two and i suspect that marco if you were to give it

00:34:52   a really and truly honest shake i think it would it's probably better than you think and perhaps

00:34:57   not as good as i think and i think i think you're pooping on it a little more aggressively than

00:35:01   necessary but i don't think that you're overblowing the supercharger network it really is phenomenal

00:35:07   and i wonder if it would have been better or nicer or more in the spirit of you know togetherness and

00:35:14   let's save the planet together if tesla would make that available to other electric cars as well

00:35:19   wait oh god please stop stop stop stop stop they're they're gonna yell at you

00:35:22   that's the people are gonna come they do they do make it available yeah stop okay yeah apparently

00:35:27   tesla did like offer that i don't know i don't know what the reality of that offer was but yeah

00:35:33   apparently elon said that he would open with anybody but i don't think anybody took him up on

00:35:37   it but who knows what that was actually you know like it could have been real and everyone else is

00:35:42   saying oh we'll do our own thing or it could have been like a you know steve jobs will open up

00:35:46   facetime open standard kind of thing where it's like okay well that never that couldn't and

00:35:49   wouldn't actually ever happen who knows but it doesn't matter everyone went a different way and

00:35:53   i'm sure eventually the u.s will standardize on this like i think we will probably eventually have

00:35:59   ccs being the standard required but it would take government intervention to do that at this point

00:36:05   because tesla has no reason strategically or practically they have no reason to change their

00:36:11   connector right now and no one else has any reason to adopt tesla's connector so it's just i think

00:36:17   we're going to be a a two system country for a while until regulation steps in and forces tesla

00:36:22   to change over you're probably right i also want to do a very brief and quick bit of follow-out i

00:36:28   thought that there was a really great conversation on upgrade this week about both the touch bar and

00:36:33   the home pod and it got me thinking about both of them um kind of the the crux of the argument made

00:36:40   in a roundabout way i think from from both hosts was that the touch bar in particular was like

00:36:47   severely limited they were talking about it in the context of a stream box which i'm not even entirely

00:36:51   clear what that is but i guess it's like a little mini keyboard that has programmable buttons that

00:36:55   you can you know tell via software what you want them to do um but you know people were saying to

00:37:01   them well why don't you use the touch bar for that and they they started talking about like things

00:37:05   like better touch tool and and other like hacks in which that would let you use the touch bar to be

00:37:10   more customizable but it's really it's a hack and like i've dabbled with better touch tool for this

00:37:16   i think i'd mentioned on the show months and months ago that i had had my garage door status

00:37:20   on the touch bar just because i could uh but it was always so of course i did uh but it was it

00:37:26   was always so finicky and it never worked quite right and i just didn't care for it plus the

00:37:30   better touch tool while extremely powerful its its interface is super janky uh and i just i don't

00:37:36   know i didn't really care for it but it got me thinking like what if there was a first party way

00:37:40   to completely customize the touch bar i would be all over that because my experience with the touch

00:37:44   bar is like well it's it's a thing it's fine i don't i don't hate it like i think marco does

00:37:50   but i don't particularly love it either it's just it's there it's a thing um but if you have like a

00:37:56   customized it i think i would love it i would absolutely love it and it's it's a bummer that

00:38:01   it's apple's way or nothing and and that's all you get well that's welcome to apple no exactly

00:38:09   exactly right and this also got me thinking about the home pod and this was discussed

00:38:12   on the same episode and i don't think they brought this up or i'm going to claim it was an original

00:38:18   idea that was spawned from that conversation but i got to thinking like you know everyone has said

00:38:24   for years well it's too bad the home pod doesn't have an aux in and it got me thinking you know

00:38:29   if there was a way to treat the home pod as just a speaker i probably would have got i almost

00:38:36   certainly would have gotten one you know as as they're clearing out inventory or when best buy

00:38:40   used to run those incredible sales and i might have even gotten one before then when they were

00:38:45   full price like i i probably wouldn't have because i'm cheap but i would have thought about it a lot

00:38:50   more and it's really too bad that it's apple's way or nothing and it's all software and if you

00:38:56   don't like that tough nuggies and it's just both of these products i think would be so much better

00:39:03   if we were allowed to get in there and use them in in a way that isn't officially blessed by apple

00:39:11   and i can and i understand a lot of the reasons why that's not possible especially for the touch

00:39:14   bar but it just bums me out and i thought it was a really good conversation between mike and jason

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00:41:24   weldon reinventing men's basics hey guess what we're going we're going to get spring-loaded next

00:41:34   week does that mean we're gonna like bounce i don't know but the little logo is pretty cool right it

00:41:39   is pretty cool i mean it's you know it's one of the many like modern apple graphic design marketing

00:41:44   logo is it doesn't really mean anything it's people are trying to read into it they're trying real

00:41:48   hard but there's nothing there to read it to i mean it's a spring and the season is spring yeah

00:41:53   as i said last show there always is an interpretation and it's the obvious one

00:41:58   that's the one yeah it's spring it's loaded with products so as we all woke up on the east coast on

00:42:04   uh what was it tuesday i believe uh apparently it was discovered that siri was telling people

00:42:10   that there was an apple event on the 20th if you asked if you asked when when is the upcoming apple

00:42:16   event siri would sometimes answer that it was coming in april 20th and sometimes would not this

00:42:22   was another you know great thing about siri and i guess rollouts to see the ends or who knows how

00:42:27   siri works behind the scenes but depending on what you asked and where you were maybe in the

00:42:32   information propagation across across apple's edge network through whatever third party they're using

00:42:37   you might get a different answer but yeah once the once siri started saying that i mean my first

00:42:42   thought was did they do an event in april 20th and some year passed and series just regurgitating

00:42:46   information from years ago but now it turned out that siri was just a little bit ahead of the game

00:42:51   new before we did indeed so yeah so spring-loaded is the name of the event it will be on 4 20

00:42:58   snicker uh and it'll be at one in the afternoon atp time which is 10 in the morning pacific and

00:43:04   gosh knows whenever it is in your local time zone uh what do we think is coming a lot of people have

00:43:09   said kind of you know the obvious things that are rumored you know things like new ipad pro maybe

00:43:16   um air tags seem like an obvious thing that seems like they're always like they should have been out

00:43:22   by now and they i think they should have been out by now for like the last year it seems that they're

00:43:26   perpetually delayed by something who knows um but before we get to the actual hardware do you think

00:43:34   there's going to be some kind of announcement made at this about either app store policy stuff or

00:43:41   attempt to defend app tracking transparency because one thing that seems most likely is that ios 14.5

00:43:50   will most likely launch you know shortly after or shortly before this event like this this is going

00:43:54   to be the event that debuts ios 14.5 whether directly or indirectly and 14.5 includes the

00:44:01   abstract and transparency prompt that everyone's all up in arms about like all the all the ad

00:44:05   people are all up in arms about it um there's possibly some inquiries from congress in this

00:44:11   direction uh it's certainly from certainly a lot of pressure from people like facebook

00:44:15   and apple's under increasing regulatory pressure from congress and other governments

00:44:20   possible issues with the app store the epic lawsuit you know there's all sorts of stuff

00:44:25   all this pressure that we've talked about right one thing that kind of caught my eye is senators

00:44:29   uh a.d clover shah and mike lee are uh they sent this letter to apple to appear at some hearing

00:44:35   sorry i've been following for the details but initially it was reported that apple declined

00:44:39   to send someone and then apple gave this statement the other day that bloomberg got a copy of that

00:44:45   said uh we are willing to participate in a hearing we simply sought alternative dates in light of

00:44:51   upcoming matters that have been scheduled for some time and that touch on similar issues huh

00:44:58   now the way i read that upcoming matters that have been set up for some time is either going to be

00:45:01   this or wdbc but wbc is way far out the subcommittee was not trying to meet anytime then so it must

00:45:09   be this event and so the part that gets me then is that touch on similar issues and this subcommittee

00:45:15   uh seems to be about um the app store and app store policies and you know app store monopoly

00:45:21   issues and you know whatever whatever else is there so do you think there's going to be

00:45:24   something at this event that's going to be in that category of either you know app tracking

00:45:30   transparency requirement defenses in some way which is probably a given or do you think they

00:45:36   would actually involve some kind of app store policy change in this event i don't see them

00:45:42   doing an app store policy thing i i would unless it's something that you could spin for a more

00:45:49   traditional audience like i could see that being a wwdc thing but i don't see them going into that

00:45:55   at what is a marketing event for regular people it's possible but i doubt it now app tracking

00:46:03   transparency i think that they will absolutely be touting that is look at what we are doing to

00:46:07   protect you and protect your data you are welcome totally that that is absolutely going to happen is

00:46:13   i doubt they'll do much more than that i doubt they'll do more than like an off-handed comment

00:46:17   about why everyone is grumpy about after uh app tracking transparency i i don't i don't see it

00:46:24   getting aggressive but i absolutely think they're going to go on a probably medium length uh song

00:46:31   and dance slash dog and pony show about why att is good for you and me as the chat room is reminding

00:46:38   us uh there's also the epic uh court case that apparently is happening in early may so that could

00:46:43   be another thing that touches on similar issues but like what what case you just said like in the

00:46:48   language of the touches on similar issues yeah rolling out public rolling out of 14.5 where you

00:46:53   talk about it on stage at a spring apple event that totally counts as touching on issues so i

00:46:57   mean i feel like everyone involved in the app tracking thing has already sort of had their say

00:47:02   all the involved parties have all complained both publicly and to congress in various cases and in

00:47:08   their court documents and apple has had its say and had its press releases and done interviews i

00:47:12   feel like there's you know it's all over but the the court cases in the regulation right now so i

00:47:17   don't think apple is going to do anything more than what they would normally do which is hey here's a

00:47:21   new product that's part of a new s o s and here's why we think it's cool and then all those things

00:47:26   that are going on in the background all the court cases all the congressional testimony all of the

00:47:30   public posturing that will just continue apace but i don't see apple like dedicating much to this

00:47:35   event to it beyond just you know the 14.5 features right and i feel like you know from the you know

00:47:43   like having an event at all there's products to announce right you know that that's got to take

00:47:49   the majority of the time normally the 14.5 stuff is just you know it's going to be thrown in there

00:47:53   because you know it's shipping or whatever but it's got to all be about the products that's that's

00:47:58   my take on it so far anyway i would agree with that yeah i think you're probably right but that's

00:48:04   just that kind of threw me off you know that if this is what they were talking about which maybe

00:48:08   it isn't i may i think maybe the epic lawsuit i think might be that that's probably a better bet

00:48:13   but still like it just kind of threw me off like this is probably just about products i can't

00:48:17   imagine why they would announce any kind of app store policy change or anything like that at an

00:48:23   event like this that makes no sense to me but yeah anyway you're probably right hopefully all right

00:48:27   so let's move on to products i think this is kind of weird because all of all of our notions about

00:48:33   product stuff other than like you know every year they release new ones of whatever products unless

00:48:38   you're the mac mini or the apple tv um you know so yeah products are due but this year is all

00:48:43   messed up because of all the parts shortages and everything which are you know coming home to roost

00:48:47   about now everyone is having trouble getting all the parts they need to build all their stuff

00:48:50   whether you're a car manufacturer or you're making consumer electronics or tvs or yes even apple

00:48:56   so and this event already seems like it's been kind of delayed from when we normally would have

00:49:02   expected it to come and of course apple can announce products that aren't ready to ship

00:49:05   because it does that all the time but it really throws a monkey wrench into predictions uh if if

00:49:11   we didn't have these part shortages i feel like new ipads would be a shoo-in and i still feel like

00:49:17   they are the most likely product that is being announced especially since this this event is

00:49:21   later than we would have expected it to be but kind of all bets are off if there's one annoying

00:49:26   part of the ipads that they can't get and they you know in a reasonable amount of time then maybe they

00:49:32   can't announce new ipads right and it's just going to be all be about other stuff but i feel like

00:49:37   this is a hard to predict event because sort of for the first time the determining factor is not

00:49:42   solely apple and how far along it is in developing a product because it's now like okay well regardless

00:49:47   of what apple wants if you can't get the parts you can't get the parts yeah i i i would be very

00:49:53   surprised if ipads don't show up at this event because it has certainly been long enough and i

00:49:58   think everyone's been waiting long enough well is that true no there was a 2020 ipad it was just the

00:50:02   a12z though the ipad pro desperately needs to be bumped and it would have been already i feel like

00:50:08   if we didn't have if you know if supplies weren't constrained no i mean like the the ipad pro quote

00:50:15   fourth generation with the a12z is kind of it's about as new as the uh 2012 mac pro was new which

00:50:22   our very first logo was based on like they it really was not very new um but and you know to

00:50:30   clarify when we say ipads i think we're i think we're most likely only talking about the ipad pro

00:50:34   because the the no name ipad and the ipad air were both updated last fall um the ipad mini needs an

00:50:42   update that that could be interesting the last i've had many update was two years ago roughly

00:50:47   it could be minis and pros which would be kind of an odd combination but those are both the ones

00:50:52   that are overdue for updates um and there have been loose rumors about minis here and there but

00:50:56   not nothing super uh firm but there have been lots of rumors about ipad pros so it really does seem

00:51:02   very likely that it's ipad pro time uh yeah i mean i have a 2018 ipad pro uh when you know it first

00:51:10   went to touch id and excuse me it first went to face id and i can use the fancy magic keyboard

00:51:16   with it and i do and the 2021 last year's it added the new processor and it added lidar didn't it

00:51:22   if i'm not mistaken so there's that yes but who cares i agreed agreed well you know tim cook could

00:51:28   use it to show a chart that's true we know he loves his charts so uh i i didn't feel compelled

00:51:34   to upgrade at the time and i i don't really even feel sitting here today before i see the new hot

00:51:40   ness i don't even really feel that compelled to upgrade now like i can't say that my 2018 ipad pro

00:51:46   feels sluggish or slow it's still a really nice device so i'm sure if i see the new ipads i'm

00:51:54   going to immediately buy one because i'm weak but nevertheless there there's nothing that i feel like

00:52:00   i'm desperately seeking in terms of improvements that being said what everyone seems to expect

00:52:07   sometime soon be that with hardware software or both is improved external display support and

00:52:13   though that's not something that i personally see myself doing very often if at all with an ipad

00:52:18   i am extremely interested and my eyebrow is very raised with regard to what that would look like

00:52:24   and how it would work and here again we were talking about that on upgrade today well i

00:52:29   listened today it was i think a day or two ago that it came out and it got me thinking when we

00:52:35   look back on bigger phones when it went from whatever three and a half inches or whatever it

00:52:40   was to four inches if i remember right uh around the iphone 4 era that was somewhat for time no no

00:52:47   it wasn't then it wasn't then it was it was after that and whatever it was it doesn't matter it was

00:52:51   foretold by auto layout so auto layout is an api that what is that one was yeah the iphone 5

00:52:59   introduced the 4 inch screen from 3.5 which is the one before that and then the iphone 6 introduced

00:53:03   the 4.7 inch screen that's yeah right you're right thank you that is exactly what it was so so when

00:53:08   they went to the 4.7 inch screen you know they needed to support more than one size you couldn't

00:53:12   just call it slightly bigger and and kind of just scratch everything and and there needed to be an

00:53:17   api for that and the summer before that happened you know we got introduced to auto layout and

00:53:23   it was pitched if i recall correctly at the time is like oh you can make things work much nicer in

00:53:27   both landscape and portrait it's great that's the only thing you'll need this for okay they like

00:53:34   beat us over the head with it like i i remember like all the hints at that wwc it was it was

00:53:39   hilarious like how like they were like read what we're saying read between the lines you can make

00:53:46   things flexible sizes it was so obvious yeah so um so anyway so i haven't really seen any even hints

00:53:56   of an api like that for for more robust external display support now that doesn't mean it won't

00:54:03   happen and in fact i don't remember there being terribly strong hints about cursor support or

00:54:08   certainly not in the api sense of the word uh before that dropped but there's nothing that i

00:54:13   see that indicates that it's imminent other than apple silicon using uh thunderbolt in the new max

00:54:20   so do you guys reckon that that external display support is one of the things we're going to get

00:54:24   this year even if not this particular event in in addition to what it already has because it already

00:54:29   has external displays i'm sorry yes are you saying like external touch screen support no not

00:54:33   necessarily just something better than are there external touch screens i don't even think i don't

00:54:38   know people sell that's not yeah i mean there were at one point i don't know if they still are but

00:54:42   um i'm sure i'm sure someone does but i don't know if anybody sells like a good one that you

00:54:46   actually want to use for this purpose exactly but i should still be more specific i'm sorry

00:54:50   yes there is external display support as is today but what i mean is something more robust than

00:54:56   typically it's just screen mirroring like if you look at apple fitness plus for goodness sakes

00:55:00   all it is a screen mirroring it doesn't even do the thing like plex does where it takes up the

00:55:03   entire screen for video all it is is mirroring the ipad screen is a pillar box where you have the bars

00:55:09   and left and the right yeah pillar okay so it's that and and it looks like garbage and and that's

00:55:14   apple fitness plus for goodness sakes so i i'm curious if there's better app support so maybe

00:55:20   maybe maybe even some sort of quote-unquote windowing although i think that's probably a

00:55:24   bit aggressive uh i i just i wonder if there's more robust external display support perhaps

00:55:31   coming like the way i see this playing out if it were to happen at all is we get the hardware with

00:55:36   thunderbolt display support next week but no new software changes and it's all still the same

00:55:43   jankiness it is today and then at wwdc suddenly the software lands where we start getting much

00:55:48   better apis with much better external external display support i think the the real question has

00:55:53   to be like what are people actually using external displays for where is the demand there and i think

00:55:59   obviously you know we've heard from people like federico has tried it like we've heard from people

00:56:02   who have tried it and some of them still do it but it's it's not a common case and you know you

00:56:08   could argue is this a chicken and egg problem would more people do it if it if you could do

00:56:13   more with it and probably that's i'm sure that i'm sure that is part of the issue but i think unless

00:56:19   there is external touch screen support and people start making external touch screens and you know

00:56:25   if you're waiting for apple to make one i got news for you like they won't even make very many

00:56:29   regular screens but i think if if you had input solved on the ipad that would make more sense you

00:56:35   know it makes tons of sense to have lots of big screens external support for max because you're

00:56:41   not directly touching the screen to interact with everything so maybe on the ipad since they have

00:56:49   added keyboard and trackpad support and made it better over time like and they only recently have

00:56:54   trackpad support like maybe on the ipad trackpad support is what will make that more useful to

00:56:59   people because now you don't have to be touching everything to do everything on an ipad but i still

00:57:04   don't think it is a very big market enough for apple to really cater that much to it so i'm

00:57:10   honestly not predicting anything like that changing at at this time whatever the new ipads can do if

00:57:17   they have new hardware abilities if they if there was like a major software break if there was like

00:57:23   some some big new thing that the os was going to allow them to do i think we would have seen leaks

00:57:28   of that with ios 14.5 betas because the version of ios they're going to be running is ios 14.5

00:57:33   so it seems very unlikely to me that there's going to be something like that it seems like 14.5 has

00:57:39   been like done and ready for a while we've had i think eight betas of it so far so i i don't think

00:57:44   we're seeing that kind of change so i'm guessing the assuming that we're getting new ipad pros

00:57:49   i'm guessing the nature of how they are better is much more like hardware side than software side

00:57:56   and the hardware side i don't necessarily think it needs to be that much there have been the rumors

00:58:01   of the the mini led screen and and for that possibly only being on the larger model which i

00:58:07   think that's probably fine if all they do is basically a speed bump update um you know they

00:58:13   skip the a13 if they just go from a12x slash z to something it's a14 like uh a14x most likely is

00:58:22   what it would be called which should be a overall somewhat similar chip to the m1 i think that could

00:58:28   be a perfectly fine update and that's all it necessarily would need to be because you know

00:58:32   as you open up with casey the ipad pro like if you have one of the 2018 slash 2020 ish models of the

00:58:39   ipad pro it's still really good i use mine like it it's it's still really good and even though it is

00:58:47   at this point pretty old hardware it turns out it was really great then and it held up and it's

00:58:53   still really great today and i don't i know a lot of people who use ipads to a lot of different

00:58:58   degrees of power level usage but i know almost nobody who uses an ipad for anything for which

00:59:07   the difference between the a12x and a presumed a14x would make a huge difference to their life

00:59:12   because most people doing most workflows on the ipad aren't being limited by processor speed or

00:59:18   gpu speed that's that's not a common case as far as i can tell at least among anybody i know who

00:59:23   is like an ipad power user so i think it's much much more likely that this is going to be a fairly

00:59:29   boring spec bump update and that'll be fine that's all it really needs and i honestly i know i say

00:59:36   this every single time i can't imagine that i would even upgrade to it because my current ipad is

00:59:40   totally fine i have the same with it i have the 11 inch ipad pro from 2018 i have no issues with it

00:59:46   i actually don't even use it that heavily anymore ever since the m1 macbook air i've been using the

00:59:52   ipad a lot less since then and so i think for ipad power users it's nice to just kind of get it

00:59:57   updated so it's no longer so old and stale but i don't think it's going to set the world on fire

01:00:02   any more than the old one did because the old one was was really good and is still really good i

01:00:06   feel like the hardware is probably going to be out ahead of the software in the usual way like

01:00:11   i forgot the case you just said it before i think of like you know so you release the bumped hardware

01:00:15   but then the big software support if you're planning on it is announced at wwc with the big

01:00:19   new os in general that's been apple's move um it's apple could be changing the way it releases

01:00:26   features i know 14.5 has been embedded a long time but apple has had some success occasionally

01:00:32   hiding features from us in a beta especially if we're not looking for it if they're actually

01:00:35   if they actually don't leak out symbols they didn't mean to leak especially if it's like a

01:00:38   minor feature so there's a possibility that 14.5 could just have slightly better external display

01:00:43   support in a basic way but the and i haven't been keeping up with the ipad rumors so forgive me if

01:00:47   this is not even in the offing but i remember reading something about this a while back of and

01:00:51   it was already mentioned here about the ipads going to thunderbolt instead of just plain usb-c

01:00:55   so if you've got the inside of this ipad and it's got an a14x which looks a lot like an m1 and m1

01:01:00   max have thunderbolt right it's not it's not so far to of a leap to say there's some sharing of

01:01:06   componentry there where you can imagine an ipad with thunderbolts coming out right and i believe

01:01:11   that has been rumored right assuming that is you know rumored for this particular thing like marker

01:01:17   was saying it's a little bit tricky how do you roll out your new ipad pro with faster processor

01:01:22   great everyone loves that and a nicer screen it's easy to pitch that and now the usb-c port isn't

01:01:27   just usb-c it's thunderbolt and then what do you say about that and you can use it to well you

01:01:33   can't do all the cool external display stuff because that's going to require ios 15 it's not

01:01:36   out yet and we're not ready to announce that uh you can use external storage faster maybe you can

01:01:42   use the pro display xdr that way because i don't think the current one can do it yeah maybe but

01:01:47   like that's that's where you get into like how do you have to have some kind of better external

01:01:50   display support right to tout to say okay now with thunderbolt what could you do with thunderbolt

01:01:55   that you couldn't do before i suppose faster transfer speeds to storage but like is that a

01:02:00   really important use case for ipad users i don't know um and then you can drive different or better

01:02:07   monitors but then that requires you know i assume it requires some kind of reasonable bumps in

01:02:12   software support so if these things come out and have thunderbolt ports in them apple's going to

01:02:15   have to have something to say about it and because this is the ipad pro it's not ridiculous for them

01:02:21   to tout features that basically nobody needs right because it's the pro product it's their top of the

01:02:26   line ipad so you get the mini led screen which most people don't care about right you know i

01:02:30   get better black levels who cares whatever you get the faster processor which as you both said

01:02:34   most people who are casual ipad users aren't feeling like their current one is slow

01:02:38   and you get a thunderbolt port instead of usb and most ipad users probably never connect anything

01:02:42   there besides the charger right but this is the pro product so if there's anybody who's using an

01:02:47   ipad who wants more of these things that's what apple delivers so i i can see them doing a picture

01:02:54   of this product of saying screen's better processors faster maybe it's got more ram but

01:02:58   we'll never mention that and now it's got a thunderbolt port and here's two things you can do

01:03:02   with it um and maybe some minor additional support and 14.5 in those and then a bigger coming out you

01:03:09   know in the ipad users dreams a bigger coming out where you can have more than just mirroring and

01:03:14   you know not necessarily windows but like our external touchscreen support or whatever whatever

01:03:18   fantasy you have about a real pro level support for external monitors waiting until 15 but having

01:03:23   the groundwork laid by the hardware that we see on the 20th i think that makes sense so sitting here

01:03:30   today assuming you know a relatively straightforward bump and no no curveballs or anything marco do you

01:03:38   think you would buy a new ipad next week i don't think so honestly because i just i i don't i barely

01:03:43   even use the one i have anymore so like it's not and i don't see what a new one would change that

01:03:50   would make me say i have to have that that's fair john i'm in the market for one because i've still

01:03:55   got i don't even have one with face id right so i'm i haven't have any of this generation and

01:03:59   you're still on the ipad 3 no the the ipad pro i think first ipad pro with touch id oh the 9.7

01:04:07   yeah but anyway i spend a lot of time watching tv shows on my ipad believe it or not and so a better

01:04:12   screen does appeal to me but not enough that i'm going to buy the 12.9 to get it so remains to be

01:04:18   seen if if you know i don't need most of the features i just listed but i would like a newer

01:04:23   ipad and i would like a better screen and you know um if this has both of them i'm probably in the

01:04:29   market for it but there's also the potential that i would just wait until christmas and get it as a

01:04:33   christmas present for myself like i'm not desperate for it yeah i i think if there's something really

01:04:40   interesting and really exciting i i would think about it but none of the things that i've heard

01:04:45   rumored are my definition of interesting or exciting uh and so i i don't plan to get one

01:04:51   but remind me of this in a week in a day when i already have one on order all right other things

01:04:56   that may be coming out air tags there's been motion over the last couple of weeks with regard

01:05:00   to find my and the find my network and uh and i do think this is super cool the idea that you can

01:05:06   make a tag or a thing a dongle a widget that emits bluetooth low energy pulses beacons if you will

01:05:16   and literally every iphone in the world will be listening or that that has the appropriate hardware

01:05:21   will be listening for those pings and will take note of where that iphone is geographically when

01:05:27   it heard the ping and what time it was and so on and so forth and will in a private privacy

01:05:31   conscious way uh send that data to apple such that if you lose something you can say oh i've lost my

01:05:38   keys or what have you and apple can look at where what iphone or where was an iphone that has seen

01:05:46   that unique bluetooth low energy ping oh it was in the neighbor's yard you know 300 yards away

01:05:53   that's where you need to look and you can do all this without having an internet connection

01:05:57   on the device that's doing all the pinging away it's just pinging away and the iphones will hear it

01:06:02   and then they will tell apple about it using their internet connections this is very similar in spirit

01:06:06   to how the covid tracking api works i love this i think this is super cool i am surprised but glad

01:06:12   that apple has allowed third parties to get in on this uh with regard to air tags i mean i feel like

01:06:19   everyone has been saying for three years yep this is the one we're gonna get it this time

01:06:24   and i have no reason to say differently this time but i don't know we'll see what happens john are

01:06:30   they gonna have air tags next week i can't like the third party apple did a press release of like

01:06:35   look at all these third-party products they use the fine my network which by the way opening up the

01:06:38   find my network to third parties was i think announced last year's wwdc right oh was it i i

01:06:43   didn't remember it wasn't super recent yeah it's been a long time coming but like they apple did a

01:06:48   press release recently listing actual products here are some products that are either shipping

01:06:51   now or shipping soon in a week or a month or whatever that take advantage of this uh in and

01:06:57   so what what does that mean for air tags um does it mean that apple was kind of like coming out

01:07:03   ahead of time and saying well let's talk about some third-party products because on the 20th

01:07:06   we're just going to talk about air tags and so we want to give our partners like a boost to say

01:07:11   just so you don't feel bad before we steal all your limelight let's we apple will promote your

01:07:16   product because you're sort of premier partners the first people out of the door with these

01:07:19   products right and that would mean air tags are coming the flip side of that is air tags are still

01:07:23   not ready and apple just wants to say look this is you know that find my thing that we announced

01:07:28   the last year wwc it's not you know we're not doing nothing with it things have been happening

01:07:34   no we haven't released anything but third parties have integrated like they want a success story we

01:07:38   announced this find my network at wwc and then it's almost a year later we want to be able to say

01:07:42   hey something has come of that announcement look at these third-party products you can buy

01:07:47   and that would be cover for them not releasing air tags at this event because they i don't know i

01:07:53   don't understand why air tags are not like we don't have rumors of them catching fire like they like

01:07:59   the air power mat or anything right they don't seem like they would use any kind of component

01:08:04   or technology that is unavailable to apple maybe i'm wrong about that maybe they've you know they're

01:08:09   five nanometer tiny chips in there to save energy or something but it's mysterious why they haven't

01:08:14   been released we found so many hints of them on all sorts of software that apple has released so

01:08:18   it seems like you know there's traces of them in many many versions ago so it seems like they were

01:08:23   planned for much earlier than they have been released so i think it's a mystery it's also kind

01:08:27   of a mystery of like who will care that much about air tags i mean it's cool like i mean there's been

01:08:32   existing products in this space before and apple you know case you point out the covid tracking

01:08:37   thing like the basically underlying technology and the security and privacy stuff are things

01:08:40   that apple has talked about before um so it's like if they announce them i know there's nobody

01:08:46   in the room because it's all virtual now right but who's super excited about air tags at this point

01:08:52   no you know they don't have to be super excited about every product but it seems it seems like we

01:08:56   might all be burned out in air tanks and they haven't even been released yet that to me is the

01:09:01   funniest thing it's like we we are so excited about this product it's very similar to air power what

01:09:05   happened with that which is like air power was a charging mat that's not super exciting really if

01:09:11   in the grand scheme of things like apple releases all sorts of little accessories that aren't super

01:09:15   exciting that don't get much attention from from the press but like when they're when they're

01:09:20   seemed like there's some weird story like what happened why isn't this being released then it

01:09:25   becomes interesting so yeah air tags i mean i'm sure some people will find them incredibly useful

01:09:32   i've i'm not usually in the market i've never there's all these things like tile trackers

01:09:36   in the space that have already existed for years and i've never used any of those things because

01:09:40   i don't i don't really i'm not really in the market but if apple made them yeah i'd probably

01:09:44   buy a few i'd probably put like put them like on our bikes maybe in my backpack i put one there

01:09:49   and that's maybe that's about it i don't know like i i don't lose stuff that often i don't know but

01:09:54   it's a cool idea for a product i like you i think the the tech involved to make it happen with the

01:10:01   huge network of phones that i think was very clearly related to the exposure tracking stuff

01:10:06   um i think that's just a cool it's a cool technical idea but this is a product that they're

01:10:12   going to release and maybe we'll buy a few of them and then we'll probably never talk about them again

01:10:16   i mean but find my existence on a max forever like it's not like the covid tracking is the first time

01:10:21   they did find my right it's all isn't this all the same tech in the same you know system right um

01:10:28   i think this using bluetooth le to to do like a giant worldwide mesh network of finding things

01:10:33   i think that's new so the max do you use wi-fi for i just assume the max were using bluetooth as

01:10:38   well but maybe not i don't think so no i thought that they were using you know an internet

01:10:41   connection like wi-fi or you know ethernet if they happen to be plugged in i'm not confident

01:10:45   i'm right about that but yes i thought up until the covid tracking and now find my i didn't think

01:10:51   that there was anything that was run via bluetooth low energy i thought everything required an

01:10:56   internet connection and and required you know an onboard gps even and and i very well could be

01:11:02   wrong about that but that was my understanding oh yeah it might be some hybrid type system but

01:11:06   here's the thing about all these features right the use case is i can't find my thing right and

01:11:12   that use case i'm not it's it's a real use case but it's not a it's another use case that people

01:11:18   get excited about because if you've lost something you're already kind of in a distressing situation

01:11:23   you want to avoid losing things it's not like it you know it's i was gonna make another destiny

01:11:28   analogy but make too many of those and no one will get it but it's it's not fun to think about

01:11:35   something that helps you out when you are in a situation you're already unhappy about right it's

01:11:39   much more fun to think about a thing that can help you do something you're excited to do so like say

01:11:43   you're an artist and the apple pencil comes out you're excited about that because you already

01:11:47   like drawing and this can help you do a thing you already like to do more or better right nobody

01:11:51   likes to lose things right and even though you'll be thankful that this is around when you have to

01:11:57   find something you have to get into a distressed state before you get to use this product at all

01:12:02   so it's kind of like buying insurance a certain type a certain personality type may be super

01:12:07   excited to buy air tech and put it on all their items so they can be excited when they lose

01:12:11   something to find it again but i think for a lot of people this is not uh this is not a product

01:12:16   with a lot of sizzle unless there's more to it than we know but we'll see i mean it's almost

01:12:20   like being a prepper like you want things to go wrong so you can use it yeah and again some people

01:12:26   some people like to be well prepared and have things organized and they get excited the first

01:12:30   time they get to use it but i don't i'm not sure that's the common case and what this has me

01:12:34   thinking of like in our document here the next thing we have as potential announcements are

01:12:38   arv or you know goggle things and new max right and it starts to tail off in the things that we

01:12:44   have sort of solid rumors of as far as i know again i haven't been keeping up with this but

01:12:49   is like are are ipads and air tags even assuming air tags are real is that enough for an entire

01:12:55   event what if there's no air tags and it's just ipads is that enough for an event ipads plus

01:13:00   14.5 uh i i'm really hard pressed to think of what the other thing would be in this uh obviously if

01:13:09   it's arv our goggles then there needs to be nothing else because that would be just a gigantic deal

01:13:13   and they would make such a huge deal about it you know i don't think we're getting anything

01:13:16   arv are related yeah and then of course there's uh you know new max which at any time you can

01:13:22   roll out new max with the arm processors because we really have no idea what that pipeline looks

01:13:27   like and we know uh they're you know that there are still max out there that they could release

01:13:32   with not much of a radical change from the current max and they release you could release a low-end

01:13:37   imac as your first arm based imac that doesn't that has a processor that is m1 ish and it would

01:13:42   be fine uh like but again i haven't heard any rumors about that i'm i don't want to read anything

01:13:47   in the title but it says it's supposed to be loaded now i asked for a loaded baked potato

01:13:50   and it just comes with ipads on it i feel like i've been disappointed yeah i don't know i i hear

01:13:56   what you're saying i think it is certainly possible that we'll get some mac of some flavor

01:14:02   at this event i certainly do not think we're going to get anything goggles at all all that

01:14:06   being said though the last couple of events they haven't been the two-hour jam-packed extravaganzas

01:14:12   that they were when people were there now that apple has embraced a more quick and concise event

01:14:19   i think air pads and or excuse me ipads and air tags might be enough like that and and maybe

01:14:26   something about it yeah i was gonna say that and something about ios 14.5 and that's an hour right

01:14:32   yeah you've been right that they like they don't feel the need to make it worth your while to at

01:14:35   least fill 90 minutes it's like if they only have if they only have 57 minutes worth of content you

01:14:39   get 57 minutes worth of content right yeah even though they could theoretically have an event

01:14:45   that's 10 minutes long and because it's all digital and everything i don't think they would

01:14:49   i i think they they like having you know saving it up for when you can make a bigger splash that's

01:14:55   always been their style i think it always will be their style so i i think there's going to be because

01:14:59   and i agree like so far unless again like unless there's some massive thing about the ipads that

01:15:05   has not been rumored and that there's been no software leaks for i don't think the ipads are

01:15:10   that interesting honestly i think the same thing about air tags you know it's interesting products

01:15:15   on a very shallow level but uh you know not super exciting for an event so i do agree with your

01:15:21   inclinations that it is probably more than just that being announced um 14.5 i think will have

01:15:27   some time obviously i do think they're going to push hard on the value of the app store if not

01:15:33   directly maybe indirectly because i they're in a pretty significant pr battle with the world about

01:15:38   that right now so i i do think they're going to use this event to push on that a little bit to say

01:15:42   how great their system is and how how much they protect privacy and here's the new

01:15:46   abstract and transparency feature and here's how much it's going to protect everyone's privacy

01:15:49   here's why it's so important we really believe in this blah blah so that i think is a shoe-in

01:15:54   um there are a couple features there's there's the mask unlock which i think they might even they

01:15:57   might mention that in the event because that's new to 14.5 and that's pretty useful to a lot of

01:16:01   people right now so that i can see them you know doing mask watch unlock thing uh but again like

01:16:08   we're not we're not reaching like loaded level here so i've got i've got an idea that rumor that

01:16:13   fits with the ipad things uh i mean it's a long shot but uh the uh external non-6k display that

01:16:19   you could use with your new thunderbolt ipad that's interesting yeah it's not a six thousand

01:16:24   dollar display it fits with the event because like now apple finally finds because like what you got

01:16:28   this ipad what display you're supposed to use it with before apple didn't sell one except for the

01:16:31   xdr which is too big and you know expensive uh so now there is this if they're ever going to do a

01:16:38   display like that this would be a reasonable event for them to announce that because what are they

01:16:41   going to do announce it at the mac mini event right like it's what do you well yeah but

01:16:47   there is no mac mini event like they could do it with when they released uh laptops but they already

01:16:53   released laptops or at least one round of laptops and they didn't you know it's a long shot but at

01:16:56   least it would fit with the event i also think we might be under underestimating i mean this ties

01:17:01   into your sort of app store rah rah stuff underestimating how much time apple may be willing

01:17:07   to burn demonstrating applications for the ipad pro that they think are reflect well on it as a

01:17:15   platform oh they love that stuff right and so in in person ones they would burn more time than we

01:17:20   would want they'd go to the ar table they'd have five game demos we'd all just like right and they

01:17:26   don't need to do that in the virtual ones but they do want to say like to answer the question what can

01:17:30   i do with these new ipad pros and that's the perfect time to tout out a bunch of you know big

01:17:35   third-party companies that have amazing new products that wouldn't be possible without the

01:17:38   power of the a14x and that burns up a lot of time and so you there you do your ipads and you're 14.5

01:17:44   and you're already at like 36 minutes right and then you just need one other thing to to fill it

01:17:49   out to have a reasonable size event i think waiting for the external smaller display i think

01:17:55   we have a longer wait for that because the the latest rumor on that was from a few months back

01:17:59   and it basically said like they were starting to work on one but the thing is like you know

01:18:04   i mean depending on what they do the whole point of this one is you don't have to try that hard

01:18:08   in this one apple you don't you don't need to make a miniature xdr you just need to make

01:18:12   buy an lcd from somebody but you know and put it oh yeah but that's not how they do things i mean

01:18:18   look when they made the new mac pro we know when they started working on that i know but it but

01:18:22   it's so much it's so much harder to do the xdr like i i feel like the only the only reason apple

01:18:27   couldn't have a you know essentially an external 5k display ready right now is because it's not

01:18:34   as a high priority honestly i don't think it is a high priority if they're ever going to do it at

01:18:37   all they might as well just wait until like the pro laptops come out or whatever but it would tie

01:18:42   in with the ipad announcement so if it happens that you know oh it turns out this product came

01:18:46   together faster than we thought uh this is a reasonable time to announce it especially if

01:18:50   there's any kind of better external display support so here's the question max then at this

01:18:56   event now wbdc is in a couple of months now it's it's my opinion that apple does not actually

01:19:03   like announcing hardware at wbdc because they have so many software platforms these days that they

01:19:09   want to cram as much in about how great their software is as possible during that time because

01:19:14   that's wbc is really the celebration of here's what the next year of software is going to be like

01:19:19   look at these look at this cool software it's usually not a hardware focused event my theory is

01:19:25   maybe what we expected to come at wbc i think namely the 15-inch macbook pro with the m1 or m1x

01:19:35   whatever it would be maybe that's going to come here because you know if you're going to really

01:19:40   jam-pack an event i think you're going to need some max in this event and the imac with apple

01:19:47   silicon i think i think that's a shoe in i think we're almost certain to get that at this event

01:19:52   and once you have you know assuming that the higher end imax with m1s would have some kind

01:19:58   of m1x variant because it's it's a higher end computer you'd probably want more cores and

01:20:02   everything well that's probably going to be the exact same chip that they put in the 15-inch or

01:20:09   16-inch macbook pro so they would presumably maybe be able to announce those two products at the same

01:20:15   time and so maybe this is the event that we get the imac with apple silicon and the 16-inch macbook

01:20:23   pro once you add all that together that would be that would be loaded react because because

01:20:30   especially because the rumor is that the that the new laptops are going to have a case redesign i

01:20:34   believe with this generation isn't that the current rumor it was months ago i haven't seen that

01:20:39   recently but yes it certainly was being said that like the next 15-inch is going to get the new

01:20:44   design right so if there's an if there's a 16 if there's even a 14 who knows but if there's if

01:20:49   there's a new 16 and a new you know high end 13 slash 14 pro and imax and ipad pros and air tags

01:20:58   and 14.5 that's a loaded event well i just gotta cut off the tags here's the problem the one is i

01:21:05   want max this is the product i care about the most here so it's hard for me to believe in them the

01:21:09   second is our entire sort of like past oh i don't know like you know several decades of uh sort of

01:21:17   sensing when new max are coming we've always had external cues right and so like what intel chips

01:21:25   are available how old are the is the hardware in the stuff that we're using now what could what is

01:21:30   possible out there in the competitive landscape and arm based max have screwed all that up because

01:21:34   first of all our max are already far ahead of everybody else in performance so it's not like

01:21:38   we're still like oh they gotta release new max because the because the max are so slow it's like

01:21:42   well yeah the intel ones but like we that's not a problem second thing is we have no idea what

01:21:46   apple's roadmaps are for its own chips that literally no one else in the entire world is

01:21:50   allowed to use so they're really good at keeping those things secret so it's like how do you judge

01:21:54   when like when is when are the next round of max available why weren't they available when the

01:22:00   original ones come out when are they planned it's entirely up to apple there's there's so little to

01:22:04   grab on to in the external world to say well based on sort of the landscape of the parts that go into

01:22:10   intel based laptops we think now combined with apple's normal sort of cadence is is the time to

01:22:17   expect laptops like the only thing that we can say i think the only thing we have to hang on to here

01:22:23   and even this is tenuous it's like okay well they're not releasing the arm mac pro at this

01:22:26   event right because that because that is we think they have a lot the biggest uh challenge they have

01:22:31   is how do you how do you do that we talk about many many times right but almost all their other

01:22:36   computers we know exactly how they would do it we kind of know what it would look like and why don't

01:22:40   we have them now because apple decided this is the order they're doing things for whatever reason

01:22:44   right uh and so it's so hard to predict when you know what what the cadence of max stuff's gonna be

01:22:51   uh i hope that it is as you predicted but i i was looking at this lineup and saying i put new max

01:22:58   below ar vr goggles just because i felt like well at least ar vr goggles is is one thing and it's

01:23:03   is you know important to those are probably wac anyway like who knows who knows they could just

01:23:07   decide not to release those because the stupid vr rumors like yeah this is the 15th headset that

01:23:11   they've had floating around apple but are they gonna release it as a product i don't know so

01:23:15   i i'm having having so much trouble sort of pinning down what the cadence of max are it will

01:23:22   get easier as the two-year time limit comes up on us because then it's gonna be like well apple said

01:23:26   two years and they usually try to hit their dates and again it doesn't seem like there's any reason

01:23:30   they would miss it for anything except for anything except for the mac pro but right now we're kind of

01:23:34   in the middle so it would be a good time for another round of max to come out but so would

01:23:38   wwdc and i agree with marco that in general they don't want to sort of overwhelm wwc with max but

01:23:45   they've done it before i mean the original retina 15 inch was wwc wasn't it so yep you know as was

01:23:50   the 10.5 inch ipad pro right and and they made a big stink about it and it was like well that's

01:23:55   just sometimes that's just how the timing works out so um yeah i'm rooting for maps but i i can't

01:24:02   bring myself to believe it i don't know i i still think this is going to be a shorter event and i

01:24:10   think it's going to be more focused than that but i would be very pleased to be wrong and i would be

01:24:16   very pleased to see new max show up among many other things oh it's probably also going to be

01:24:21   you know stupid stuff like new watch band colors yeah that's true yeah maybe i don't i don't know i

01:24:25   can i haven't been keeping up with the rumors but like yeah there's there's room for little things

01:24:30   like that but i think apple does want to have some kind of coherence to the event and apple is not

01:24:35   above releasing things that minor without an event so if new watch band colors are out they'll just

01:24:41   have a press release and everyone will see the new watch band colors they do it every season right

01:24:44   oh maybe here's kind of a wild card maybe we get a retail update from diezra o'brien to slowly over

01:24:53   time increase her public presence so that people get used to her as a possible future ceo but people

01:25:02   care about retail apple stores in these covid times like that seems like a time filler for

01:25:06   an in-person event more than something they would put in the virtual one maybe she could say how

01:25:10   how well they've handled this and how they've enabled people all around the world to you know

01:25:15   get their stuff done and everything because i i honestly i do the more research i do the more i

01:25:20   think deodor o'brien is very high on the list of future ceos and i think they're going to want to

01:25:25   you know in the same way they've increased jeff williams's public presence over time

01:25:29   i think i think we're going to see more of o'brien as well certainly possible i don't

01:25:35   see that happening myself but it's within the realm of possibility for sure

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01:27:38   writes should one buy a single home pod or a dual home pod mini and well i'll ask you guys to answer

01:27:45   that in a moment josh also writes given that they already have a single home pod should they get a

01:27:51   second home pod or a dual home pod mini for reference josh writes they're not an audio file

01:27:57   they just like listening to music in their kitchen and at low to moderate volumes so coming back to

01:28:02   the two questions marco single home pod or dual home pod mini no question i would take a dual setup

01:28:10   anytime even even if each one individually doesn't sound as good as the big home pod i would greatly

01:28:17   prefer a dual home pod mini if my only other option was a single home pod now the second part

01:28:22   of the question complicates matters josh already has a single big home pod so the question is really

01:28:29   a second big one for 300 or replacing it with two little ones for 200 the good news is there's

01:28:37   plenty of big home pods in stock still only in white they were potentially manufactured in 2017

01:28:42   but apple cannot get rid of them yes so maybe you can get a deal yes so um i would say under the

01:28:49   condition if your first home pod is white and therefore you get it matching because i couldn't

01:28:55   bear a mismatch i would say get get a second big home pod because what you're basically getting is

01:29:02   for an extra hundred bucks over the other options you already own one uh it's just 100 more would

01:29:08   get you a way better sounding stereo pair than the like replacing it with two home pod menus that

01:29:15   being said obviously there's other factors like if you have a use for the first one somewhere else in

01:29:20   the house and then maybe you you know maybe you use a dual home pod minis in the current place

01:29:24   for the first one isn't you then you can get it in another room with the you know quote old first one

01:29:29   that's fine too but two big home pods sound way better than two home pod minis and two of either

01:29:37   one is better than one of the other one all right john single home pod or dual home pod mini and if

01:29:45   you already had one big home pod would you get a second big one or two new little ones i just

01:29:50   assume this is a question for marco i have no opinion on any of this because i've never heard

01:29:54   any kind of dual home pod setup mini or otherwise so i uh i really have no idea but honestly i've

01:30:00   had to just give a suggestion i would say find a cheap big home pod mini or big home pod rather and

01:30:06   add it to your existing one because you've already got the one you already bit the bullet you already

01:30:08   did the hard thing which is paid probably full price for the big one find another big one that's

01:30:13   my suggestion have you ever watched tv with a like full-blown home theater system i sure have

01:30:20   have you ever watched tv on your phone i sure have okay do you do you realize that there's a

01:30:27   difference in the audio quality but none of these home pods have surround speakers so it's not apple

01:30:32   no but what when you compare one point to multiple points heck even you know what compare it to a

01:30:39   soundbar everyone's favorite thing the soundbar okay compare the way tv sounds with just a soundbar

01:30:46   versus how it sounds with left and right dedicated speakers i don't even care about the rears

01:30:52   just left and right dedicated speakers versus a soundbar in the middle left and right speakers

01:30:56   sound way better way better the reality is like when you i mean we covered this before so i won't

01:31:01   go into it in too much detail but just like so many products now try to boast the ability to

01:31:08   you know fill a space or filler room with sound from a single broadcast point from like one speaker

01:31:14   in the middle and to fill an area with sound and it just the physics are so against you for that

01:31:20   there are small tricks you can pull that make it sound a little bit better but not very good and

01:31:25   nowhere near as good as it sounds from two regular speakers spaced apart so that they form an actual

01:31:32   like stereo separation the physics are just totally against you for any any kind of like

01:31:38   simulated thing from one point and and i would in general like two mediocre speakers that are

01:31:44   actually put in proper locations are way better than one of this the best speaker in the world

01:31:50   stuck in the middle kuminajii writes is the blank carbon copy feature in email actually useful the

01:31:56   only time i see it being used it's because i'm trying to figure out how some random discussion

01:32:00   or work distribution list broke through all my filters into my inbox do you use this feature

01:32:04   if so how i do use this from time to time i used to use it more often i feel in a professional

01:32:11   setting because a lot of times i would send an email to myself that i wanted copied to a bunch

01:32:16   of people but i didn't want the whole chain email chain going on forever occasionally i'll use this

01:32:23   if i want aaron to be aware of something like often like child or house related but they don't

01:32:28   but aaron doesn't necessarily need to be officially cc'd on the email just it's more of like a hey

01:32:33   fyi this is something that happened um i i definitely use it from time to time i wouldn't

01:32:39   say i use it terribly often though john what's your status on bccing people i mean i'm surprised

01:32:46   that uh people don't use it more because it is exactly the right tool for one specific job which

01:32:50   is you want to email a bunch of people and you don't want to to be vulnerable to the dreaded

01:32:56   reply all right so anytime this happens more at work i suppose but even if you're just like

01:33:00   planning a family outing and you know pre-covid times whatever you know or in the future when

01:33:05   you're all vaccinated who knows um if you have to mail email a bunch of people it's there's always

01:33:11   gonna once the group gets big enough there's always gonna be one person that does reply all

01:33:14   and then we're off to the races right and now a bunch of people got emails they're not interested

01:33:17   in and it's just like depending on how it goes down whether it's family or friends or co-workers

01:33:22   it can resolve itself in all different ways but it's always annoying right so bcc is the solution

01:33:26   to that it's basically telling your email client here's a list of people send each one of these

01:33:31   people their own separate email uh and then in that email don't list any of the other people

01:33:36   that i sent it to because they don't need to know that so if they reply it will just come back to

01:33:39   you the sender and won't annoy any of the other people and that's what bcc i don't know if that's

01:33:44   what it's for but that's what it should be used for in in all cases i know it's weird especially

01:33:49   when you with how email clients handle this and especially if people who like put themselves in

01:33:53   the two line and everyone else in the bcc line you can end up with getting emails that you don't

01:33:58   quite understand how or why you got it but if you look at the headers you can usually figure it out

01:34:02   but it's it's kind of it's not for you it's it's for the sender to be spared the dreaded reply all

01:34:06   well but it could be for you in the sense that like if you're in a situation where it's kind of an

01:34:11   a like informal mailing list where you're not being you know you're not being mailed by like

01:34:15   an actual big mailer like you know some big mailing list service but like maybe like you're

01:34:20   the teacher of your kid's school has a mailing list of like the 20 parents in the room or whatever

01:34:26   it's useful when in that context when somebody wants to send out a you know a semi-formal mailing

01:34:32   list to a bunch of people without revealing to them everyone else's email address like and so

01:34:38   it's very useful for that in these kind of like you know informal mailing list notification or

01:34:41   situations yeah yeah that's exactly what i said when you that's the you don't want it where you

01:34:45   don't want it's not just the reply all whether it's like it looks like it was just an email

01:34:49   sent to you so you don't even know who else they sent it to right yeah that's the thing where it's

01:34:53   like so you you you are protecting the the email addresses and identities of everyone else who got

01:34:57   the email and there's also there's a couple other things people do like the whole like

01:35:01   introducing people to things and then moving them to the bcc on the reply like there's little

01:35:05   conventions people come up with so it it's used there are totally very useful and very common uses

01:35:11   for it but i think the the informal mailing list or kind of like the ad hoc mailing list is the

01:35:18   best use case for it although your example is unfortunately the exact opposite of what actually

01:35:23   happens anytime the school mails things they will never use bc they will always use to the two line

01:35:27   or the cc line and both of which will reveal everyone's email address to everyone else and

01:35:31   it's just a thing we have to live with because that's sometimes how things goes down at schools

01:35:35   one of the many dysfunctions of email indeed uh abel demose writes with the recent announcement

01:35:42   of the arm v9 architecture how long will it be before we see apple use this architecture and chips

01:35:46   so i bet most people don't know or care what version of the arm instruction set

01:35:51   apple has used in its various processors but there are different versions and apple has used a bunch

01:35:56   of different ones if you use if you've been a developer for ios devices for a long time you're

01:36:00   probably familiar with the architecture choices that you've had in various pop-up menus in xcode

01:36:04   or whatever i think the 64-bit transition was essentially arm v8 uh to this day apple uses a

01:36:10   variant of arm version 8 which they call arm 64 and most of their you know command line tools and

01:36:16   everything arm v9 is a newer version one of those and the reason i think this is interesting is

01:36:21   there is still kind of an open question um about where apple is going to go with its instruction

01:36:29   sets uh like who bought arm did nvidia buy arm i didn't think so yeah anyway uh it doesn't really

01:36:36   matter apple's got an architectural license they can continue to make arm chips or whatever but

01:36:39   uh give an apple certainly has influence in the arm instruction sets and has had influence in the

01:36:45   arm instruction yet sets but apples it is potentially true that apple's influence on

01:36:50   the arm instruction set has now diminished now that their good friend nvidia owns them

01:36:55   right apple doesn't call its max arm max i keep calling them that right but they calls them

01:37:01   apple silicon max that opens the door for apple at any time to say hey the next round of apple

01:37:06   silicon max use the next round of apple chips and do does anyone know or care whether they're

01:37:12   compatible with arm v10 arm v11 arm v12 arm it's not relevant to a mac user because the entire

01:37:18   ecosystem is a compiler toolchain development platform that targets apple silicon right and

01:37:25   it's not like apple would make things a new set of apple silicon max incompatible with the existing

01:37:29   ones they would be backward compatible the same way arm v9 is backward compatible and can run

01:37:34   binaries and arm v8 and arm v7 or whatever you know like it's not like they would have to break

01:37:38   any kind of compatibility because they're not arm chips they're apple silicon chips right so

01:37:44   i think apple will use arm v9 probably just because it's been in the pipeline for a while

01:37:50   and apple had influence on it and it's the next logical step for its next line of chips but the

01:37:54   real question is how long does this go on um or does apple start going its own way because from

01:38:00   the outside only tech nerds know that apple already hasn't gone its own way oh don't they make their

01:38:04   own chips what do you mean they're arm chips no they're apple silicon right i think that door is

01:38:08   open to apple whenever it wants and i think the only thing that would drive it to wanting to do

01:38:13   that is if it if it desires control that it doesn't currently have over the direction of the arm

01:38:19   architecture right so i think apple had plenty of influence on arm v9 but uh stay tuned in the next

01:38:27   i don't know what the cadence of these things is in the next year two or three to see if apple

01:38:31   starts uh branching off and i and i feel like the only way we would know is reading between the

01:38:37   lines of some apple presentation about one of the new processors and then after everyone gets them

01:38:41   and realizes hey wait a second this is technically not exactly the same as arm v10 or 11 it's some

01:38:47   apple thing do you think that might hurt them in the future like if they diverge or if they if they

01:38:52   just stop you know accepting updates from from the arm architecture stuff um do you think in the

01:38:58   future that might hurt them in the sense that like you know software that's made to build on on linux

01:39:03   arm servers would now need even more special handling for building an apple environment

01:39:07   i mean that was another item that i was actually going to put in fall whatever but parallels now

01:39:12   runs uh windows the the arm version of windows in virtualization on arm max right you can actually

01:39:18   you can actually run you know because there is an arm version of windows and apparently parallels

01:39:21   did whatever combined with microsoft did what it took to make that happen right wait do is there

01:39:25   anyone who wants to run arm windows it's a separate question but yeah like is it like can

01:39:30   you do anything useful and does any software run on that that you'd actually want that i mean that's

01:39:35   that's the question that i feel like apple would be grappling with in terms of breaking compatibility

01:39:38   because there's no reason that apple a new apple silicon chip that technically is an arm v10

01:39:43   it might run all arm software perfectly right because it's you know it's just that they added

01:39:47   like one or two new instructions that only apple stuff adds to you know whatever like there are

01:39:51   many ways that apple can diverge while still maintaining compatibility witness amd versus

01:39:56   intel at various times they've had you know what uh well i don't know if they ever had different

01:40:01   simd stuff but like there are lots of different things about intel and amd chips but in general

01:40:05   they're both x86 or x86 64 compatible right so there's some there's some leeway there but what

01:40:11   really matters is what out you know what you just said mark what is it that's out there that's worth

01:40:16   being compatible with in the arm world right we still don't know if arm will just sweep through

01:40:23   the entire industry and like all pcs will be arm and all server chips will be arm in that case it's

01:40:27   is really advantageous to sort of stay on the arm train even if you're kind of off doing your own

01:40:32   thing just to say oh we are arm compatible because you want to be in that ecosystem because it is an

01:40:37   ecosystem but as things stand now windows is x86 the server is still mostly x86 with arm trying

01:40:44   to make inroads there microsoft is trying to put windows on arm but it's not setting the world on

01:40:48   fire and so it's an open question is there anything arm related that is worthwhile for apple

01:40:54   specifically to stay compatible with so i think this is a you know apple should wait and see

01:40:59   because it's not clear which direction this is going in three to five years it should be clear

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01:42:27   what did you end up doing about you you decided you are or not going to repair your tesla for

01:42:35   hilarious amounts of money um it is currently being negotiated between the body shop and my

01:42:40   insurance company so i don't know they haven't begun the work yet because they can't agree on

01:42:45   what the work should be and what it should cost so we'll see that's i have nothing to report yet

01:42:49   on that front all right look at the most anticlimactic repair because it's gonna you're

01:42:53   gonna get by a car that looks almost exactly like the car that you got with some minor scratches gone

01:42:57   i yeah i'm the the amount of effort and time and somebody's money whether it's mine or theirs

01:43:04   that's going to go into repairing like three scratches but it it makes me crazy but they're

01:43:11   really big scratches and if i turn the car into the end of the lease they're going to charge me

01:43:15   big money for those because they're it is significant damage even though it's it looks very

01:43:20   small so you know i i do have to get it fixed if i want to protect my future money and right now

01:43:27   insurance will possibly maybe cover possibly some or all of it um so we're getting there yeah i

01:43:34   think it'll probably work out and i think it's smart to make insurance pay for it because you

01:43:37   know so it's a clear it's a clear situation car hit when parked right just yeah done and let them

01:43:44   argue amongst themselves to you know because here's the thing no matter how they do it it will be fine

01:43:48   probably like it's not it's not an important mechanical part there's not any kind of safety

01:43:52   concern it's purely cosmetic resolve the cosmetic issue in any kind of reasonable way which is

01:43:57   eminently possible it'll be fine yeah and and i and like i'm not a big picky car person like if

01:44:04   if they like paint it in a certain way that's like subpar to car nerds i wouldn't even notice

01:44:10   like whatever fix they do as it sits there in the parking lot yeah like as long as it's enough to

01:44:15   pass least turn inspection i don't care how they do it like i couldn't care less like i decided

01:44:21   years ago i decided that i'm no longer going to even bother trying to treat my cars incredibly

01:44:28   preciously like my cars are tools for me and if it gets a little scuff here and there i don't really

01:44:34   care as long as it's not going to like cause problems for me in some way um i you know i go

01:44:39   through automatic car washes now i you know i just i don't care do you not remember the time that you

01:44:45   came to visit me in the m5 and i had to somewhat teach you how to wash your own car how quickly we

01:44:50   forget oh i didn't forget i just chose not to do it it turns out washing your own car is a very

01:44:56   tedious and time-consuming thing for which i don't get the appropriate level of corresponding

01:45:02   enjoyment or satisfaction to make it worth it oh gosh i'm just giving casey nightmares about swirl

01:45:06   marks yeah you know actually you say that i i like having a clean car but i actually am closer to

01:45:15   marco than i'm giving myself credit for in that you know if there is i don't want to say damage

01:45:22   but like things like a swirl mark it it happens like whatever it is what it is and the i as i get

01:45:30   older i in coincidentally as i have more money with which to keep my cars perfect i realize that

01:45:35   cars will never be perfect and there's nothing you can do so for example i don't remember if i talked

01:45:39   about it on the show but early on in quarantine uh deckland dragged his car his bike against the

01:45:45   front of my car and so there's a gouge in the well not a gouge that's probably dramatic but there's a

01:45:50   scratch a scratch you can feel like that you can definitely feel in my front bumper and it's been

01:45:56   like that probably almost a year now and i'd like to get it fixed at some point but you know what it

01:46:01   is what it is it bothers me but not so much that i'm running to a body shop to get it repaired and

01:46:07   i like i very very much like my cars being clean which is yet another reason why the season of

01:46:12   pollen all the things is is just awful for me because not only does it make me have the sniffles

01:46:20   not only does pollen jump under my hard contact lenses and feel like pins are stabbing me in the

01:46:25   eye but my cars are only ever clean for five minutes at a time and that drives me bananas but

01:46:30   nevertheless i i am very i i treat them preciously in the sense that i like them to be clean i like

01:46:37   their tires to be shiny i like their wheels to be as brake dust free as they can get but if there

01:46:43   are imperfections they're imperfections and you know that's the way it's gonna have to be i hate

01:46:48   to tell you how long it's been since i've washed my car but we moved to the beach like last may

01:46:57   and since then like because i know that i'm always a short time away from just driving back to the

01:47:05   beach and parking it in that parking lot for a month or whatever i never think it's worth washing

01:47:10   it because like what am i gonna like i'm not gonna wash it and then go leave it in a parking lot to

01:47:13   get rained on for you know two weeks like that that's stupid so i just haven't gotten a car wash

01:47:20   in well over a year i mean because because you know before that was a few months of quarantine

01:47:25   like i'm not i'm not gonna go out and get a car wash during that time and so it's probably i

01:47:30   probably haven't gotten a car wash since at least like fall of 2019 oh my god oh my god oh my god

01:47:40   i think i probably have you beat oh god how can you complain about your car getting nicked or

01:47:46   they or your curb rash or anything like that when you never wash it when you turn in a lease they

01:47:51   don't charge you for never washing it no no i was more talking to john because i know that you're a

01:47:56   lost cause i'm never turning my car in no i know you're not turning your car in but i thought i

01:47:59   mean i did i did get that body work done to fix all the bad scratches and everything but and then

01:48:04   put a bunch of new scratches back on it but yeah i just i i i should do it i used to do it like once

01:48:10   a year but then oh my god it started to fall off but anyway oh god you too we're killing it john

01:48:16   we're killing i know i know i think if i let a life of luxury i'll probably clean my car more

01:48:21   but i have higher priorities yeah like destiny oh come on yes absolutely that is that is a higher

01:48:27   priority than car washing lots of things are higher priority than car washing to me to to

01:48:32   each their own oh to each their own but but boo this man i mean really since my car is parked in

01:48:38   a parking lot most of the time now isn't the rain just slowly washing it for me oh no i don't think

01:48:42   that's how rain works oh my god