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00:00:00 ◼   ► I have some bad news.

00:00:01 ◼   ► I've just been notified with an email from Apple,

00:00:05 ◼   ► subject aligned, your Apple News channel.

00:00:08 ◼   ► - Oh, it hasn't been updated?

00:00:11 ◼   ► Is this marco.org?

00:00:12 ◼   ► - We noticed that you have not published

00:00:14 ◼   ► to your marco.org channel in three months or more.

00:00:16 ◼   ► Your channel will be removed in one week, period.

00:00:18 ◼   ► - Oh wow, good grief.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Regards the Apple News team.

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Oh well.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - It doesn't say that if I publish now,

00:00:25 ◼   ► it'll get me out of this.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Like it just says your channel's

00:00:27 ◼   ► gonna be removed in a week, period.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Like there's no if you don't publish.

00:00:31 ◼   ► - Yeah, didn't we have a friend who got the same notice,

00:00:32 ◼   ► but their notice said if you publish something,

00:00:35 ◼   ► it'll reactivate it?

00:00:36 ◼   ► Maybe I'm gonna smear it.

00:00:37 ◼   ► - I think that was Daniel Jalkut, but I don't know.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Anyway, yeah, it's the marco.org channel.

00:00:40 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:00:41 ◼   ► Like I don't know how many,

00:00:44 ◼   ► first of all, I published my channel just as an RSS feed

00:00:47 ◼   ► that I submitted to them in my regular RSS feed.

00:00:49 ◼   ► I don't have any like special Apple News tags.

00:00:51 ◼   ► So I think they were deprecating RSS-based channels anyway,

00:00:54 ◼   ► right, aren't they deprecating them or something?

00:00:56 ◼   ► Anyway.

00:00:57 ◼   ► - I haven't kept up with that.

00:00:58 ◼   ► - I tried to do the same thing,

00:00:59 ◼   ► and something must be wrong about my RSS feed

00:01:01 ◼   ► because they always refused it for reasons

00:01:03 ◼   ► I never quite understood and I didn't care enough to fix it,

00:01:06 ◼   ► and nobody has ever, ever, ever asked me about it.

00:01:09 ◼   ► Now to be fair, I probably have 1/10 of your readership,

00:01:12 ◼   ► but nevertheless, I can't remember a time

00:01:14 ◼   ► that anyone was like, "Hey man,

00:01:15 ◼   ► "can you put that in Apple News?"

00:01:16 ◼   ► - I honestly would be surprised if my readership

00:01:21 ◼   ► could be divided evenly into tenths.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Like I might have eight people reading it in Apple News.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I think it's gonna be a very small number.

00:01:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, I never liked that Apple News app,

00:01:32 ◼   ► and I never tried to get my annually updated blog into it

00:01:35 ◼   ► for multiple reasons.

00:01:38 ◼   ► - Well darn, I guess I'm gonna lose all those eight page views

00:01:42 ◼   ► I don't even measure page views anymore.

00:01:43 ◼   ► - How do they even show up?

00:01:44 ◼   ► Like how would you tell if someone's coming from Apple News

00:01:46 ◼   ► once they have their own user agent?

00:01:48 ◼   ► - I assume there's probably at least

00:01:50 ◼   ► like a crawler user agent, and I would assume

00:01:53 ◼   ► that every time they view the page,

00:01:55 ◼   ► maybe, for the purpose of my report,

00:01:56 ◼   ► I have to sign up for, 'cause I don't think

00:01:58 ◼   ► it's actually making a web request to you each time, right?

00:02:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, you have to go to the special Apple web page

00:02:03 ◼   ► with no API, and you have to look at a graph

00:02:06 ◼   ► where they round things.

00:02:07 ◼   ► - Yeah, right, I have to go to like Apple Web Connect

00:02:09 ◼   ► or something and look at only opt-in stats

00:02:12 ◼   ► for people who viewed my content, and all that, yeah.

00:02:15 ◼   ► I don't even look, like I don't have server logs enabled.

00:02:18 ◼   ► I don't even have Google Analytics enabled anymore.

00:02:20 ◼   ► I haven't for years.

00:02:22 ◼   ► I have, like when I publish something on my site,

00:02:23 ◼   ► I have absolutely no idea how many pages it gets,

00:02:25 ◼   ► and it's incredibly liberating.

00:02:27 ◼   ► Like, I highly recommend, anybody out there

00:02:29 ◼   ► who has stuff online, remove the counters.

00:02:33 ◼   ► You will be shocked how great it feels.

00:02:36 ◼   ► - Or just have nobody visit your site like me,

00:02:38 ◼   ► 'cause then you don't have to worry about it either way.

00:02:40 ◼   ► Speaking of Apple's websites where you supposedly

00:02:44 ◼   ► can go to see some kind of number,

00:02:46 ◼   ► you would think that the one web system they would have

00:02:49 ◼   ► that would be, I don't know, accurate, thorough,

00:02:52 ◼   ► fairly well vetted, would be stuff related to the app store,

00:02:55 ◼   ► because that's real money if you don't have a free app.

00:02:57 ◼   ► It's real money traveling back and forth,

00:02:58 ◼   ► and real money, usually people are accounting

00:03:01 ◼   ► for the real money, but boy, they do not make it easy

00:03:05 ◼   ► to figure out what's going, I mean, maybe this is,

00:03:08 ◼   ► maybe this is just me not understanding money.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Granted, I'm not an accountant.

00:03:12 ◼   ► I don't understand the world of finance.

00:03:15 ◼   ► It's very confusing, but I have two apps.

00:03:18 ◼   ► The second most simple thing I can imagine doing

00:03:21 ◼   ► is wondering, in a given pay period,

00:03:23 ◼   ► I'm not gonna say month because I know that finance

00:03:25 ◼   ► is too complicated for pedestrian concepts like months,

00:03:28 ◼   ► in a given pay period, how much money did I make

00:03:33 ◼   ► off of one of my two apps?

00:03:36 ◼   ► But there's no way to tell that.

00:03:37 ◼   ► I mean, they have a report that supposedly gives you

00:03:39 ◼   ► an answer, but the answer is wrong, and I know that

00:03:42 ◼   ► because for one pay period, I only had one month, one app,

00:03:46 ◼   ► and so I could say, now run the report and tell me

00:03:49 ◼   ► how much did that one app make during that pay period,

00:03:51 ◼   ► and it's different than the amount they paid me.

00:03:53 ◼   ► This is their system.

00:03:54 ◼   ► I'm like, well, I'm never gonna know how this works.

00:03:56 ◼   ► It's close, it's like within 2%.

00:03:59 ◼   ► Like maybe refunds or something you're accounting for that?

00:04:01 ◼   ► I don't, so I run the reports and I download them

00:04:05 ◼   ► and I keep them, but it's just like, I don't understand

00:04:08 ◼   ► why these numbers don't match up.

00:04:09 ◼   ► In the end, the money they give me is the money they give me

00:04:11 ◼   ► and I trust that that's the money they're supposed

00:04:13 ◼   ► to be giving me, but you know, try running those reports.

00:04:16 ◼   ► It doesn't make any sense.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's, so two things.

00:04:20 ◼   ► Number one, I recommend using app figures.

00:04:23 ◼   ► Is this a paid service? - I do.

00:04:24 ◼   ► - This is not an ad, but yeah, app figures I have found

00:04:27 ◼   ► is the best way to kind of make sense of Apple's

00:04:30 ◼   ► weirder reporting and I provide useful graphs and everything.

00:04:34 ◼   ► I've been using them for a long time.

00:04:36 ◼   ► - But the app figures also does not match the amount

00:04:39 ◼   ► I actually receive from Apple.

00:04:40 ◼   ► Again, it's very close.

00:04:42 ◼   ► - Well, they have sales, they also have the payments area.

00:04:44 ◼   ► The payments usually are able to derive

00:04:47 ◼   ► what it actually means.

00:04:47 ◼   ► - Right, but I get one, I don't do what you do,

00:04:50 ◼   ► which I should have, which is like one Apple ID per app,

00:04:53 ◼   ► right, so I have my two apps under one Apple ID.

00:04:55 ◼   ► So they pay me some amount and some of that is attributable

00:04:58 ◼   ► to Switch class and some of it's attributable

00:05:00 ◼   ► to front and center.

00:05:01 ◼   ► How much for each app?

00:05:03 ◼   ► Hell if I know.

00:05:05 ◼   ► I mean, again, you can run the report,

00:05:06 ◼   ► like, you know, filter by parent apps,

00:05:09 ◼   ► you know, like it's in their software

00:05:11 ◼   ► and then they give you a graph that's rounded

00:05:12 ◼   ► and then you can download an Excel thing

00:05:14 ◼   ► that has exact numbers to 500 decimal places, but it's off.

00:05:19 ◼   ► It's so hard to just try to back solve and figure it out.

00:05:21 ◼   ► I mean, sometimes it's off by a few cents or whatever.

00:05:23 ◼   ► It just annoys me.

00:05:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's why, like, back forever ago

00:05:27 ◼   ► when I had that stupid idea to have some kind of like

00:05:30 ◼   ► pay overcast $10 a month and then I'll split it up

00:05:33 ◼   ► between the podcast you listen to and distribute it to them.

00:05:36 ◼   ► Like, I was thinking about doing that kind of scheme

00:05:38 ◼   ► before podcasters told me they don't want that surprise.

00:05:40 ◼   ► Nobody wants people getting in the way

00:05:42 ◼   ► of them and their money.

00:05:43 ◼   ► I should have known that before 'cause I'm the same way,

00:05:45 ◼   ► but for some reason I didn't think about that.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Anyway, so one of the problems with that plan

00:05:50 ◼   ► is assuming I'd have to take in-app purchase

00:05:53 ◼   ► because otherwise Apple would never allow it.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Not only would I then lose 30%,

00:05:57 ◼   ► but also I would have no good way to account for like

00:06:02 ◼   ► how much money did I actually receive

00:06:06 ◼   ► from user ID 1234 this month?

00:06:09 ◼   ► 'Cause you just get that lump sum payment

00:06:11 ◼   ► and you can't actually know, like,

00:06:14 ◼   ► there's no way to correlate a user ID

00:06:19 ◼   ► to an amount of money you definitely received.

00:06:22 ◼   ► 'Cause there's so many different exceptions

00:06:24 ◼   ► and there's things like refunds, cancellations,

00:06:26 ◼   ► there's foreign currency exchange,

00:06:28 ◼   ► which messes everything up.

00:06:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, the exchange stuff is like all the things

00:06:32 ◼   ► that are off it could entirely be attributable

00:06:34 ◼   ► to foreign exchange rates because the reporting,

00:06:36 ◼   ► what you got paid is what the exchange rate was

00:06:38 ◼   ► at the moment of the blah, blah, blah

00:06:39 ◼   ► if you read the big finance agreement,

00:06:40 ◼   ► but then the reporting could be different.

00:06:41 ◼   ► It's very confusing.

00:06:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, and the whole reason why,

00:06:45 ◼   ► or the whole basis of a system like that would be like,

00:06:49 ◼   ► I need to know when, for your $7,

00:06:53 ◼   ► how to split it up between the podcasts you listen to.

00:06:56 ◼   ► And the whole, this actually plays into the whole world

00:06:59 ◼   ► of big services like YouTube Premium or Red,

00:07:02 ◼   ► whatever it's called this month,

00:07:04 ◼   ► or Spotify or Apple Music,

00:07:07 ◼   ► anything where the customers pay a flat rate

00:07:10 ◼   ► and that gets distributed based on whatever they listen to

00:07:12 ◼   ► artists or whatever, the way those work

00:07:15 ◼   ► is incredibly scam prone because they can't do it either.

00:07:20 ◼   ► They also don't track.

00:07:22 ◼   ► Your $5 does not get split between the five artists

00:07:27 ◼   ► you listen to this month.

00:07:29 ◼   ► Everyone's $5 a month goes into a giant pool

00:07:32 ◼   ► and they just track number of listens.

00:07:35 ◼   ► So it doesn't matter if you listen to five artists

00:07:38 ◼   ► this month and a bot somewhere in Russia

00:07:41 ◼   ► listened to 100,000 artists this month,

00:07:43 ◼   ► your money's all pooled together first

00:07:46 ◼   ► and then it's divided up by views.

00:07:48 ◼   ► So you might think that you are helping

00:07:50 ◼   ► the three bands you listen to a lot

00:07:52 ◼   ► because you only listen to three bands

00:07:53 ◼   ► on Spotify this month or whatever,

00:07:54 ◼   ► but no, you're not helping them at all.

00:07:56 ◼   ► You'd be helping them a lot more

00:07:57 ◼   ► if you left everything streaming all day 24/7.

00:08:00 ◼   ► And there's this whole ecosystem of scams and click farms

00:08:03 ◼   ► and all this other crap to increase view counts

00:08:05 ◼   ► and time spent listening and stuff like that

00:08:08 ◼   ► to skim off more of the pool than what they

00:08:11 ◼   ► actually have earned.

00:08:12 ◼   ► It's a whole thing.

00:08:13 ◼   ► And so of course I didn't wanna deal with any of that

00:08:15 ◼   ► and my stupid plan wouldn't have really worked

00:08:18 ◼   ► that way anyway, but the reason why no one does that

00:08:21 ◼   ► is because it's too hard to track how much money

00:08:25 ◼   ► you actually got from each individual person each month.

00:08:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, and in the end you're trusting the same company

00:08:33 ◼   ► to do accounting on itself, right?

00:08:36 ◼   ► It's all sort of like an honor system, right?

00:08:39 ◼   ► So I mean, and they have no particular reason

00:08:41 ◼   ► until they start getting payola from the record companies

00:08:44 ◼   ► to use some lingo from the '70s or whatever.

00:08:47 ◼   ► But Apple doesn't have any particular reason

00:08:50 ◼   ► to lie to you about how much money your app is making, right?

00:08:53 ◼   ► But it's like anything else, you just swell.

00:08:56 ◼   ► That's my instinctual first feeling

00:09:00 ◼   ► when the App Store was announced,

00:09:02 ◼   ► is that people are going to stop receiving checks

00:09:05 ◼   ► from customers and start receiving checks

00:09:06 ◼   ► that are signed by Apple.

00:09:08 ◼   ► It seems like it's the same thing, but it's not.

00:09:11 ◼   ► - It's way better than it used to be though.

00:09:12 ◼   ► It used to be, for the first I think two or three years

00:09:15 ◼   ► of the App Store, you would get paid in wire transfers

00:09:20 ◼   ► from I think seven or so different places around the world,

00:09:23 ◼   ► from various Apple subsidiaries for different regions.

00:09:26 ◼   ► And so every month you would get seven wire transfers,

00:09:30 ◼   ► six of which were foreign wire transfers.

00:09:33 ◼   ► So depending on your bank account,

00:09:34 ◼   ► you might be paying hundreds of dollars a month

00:09:36 ◼   ► in wire fees, and then you have to resolve,

00:09:39 ◼   ► like all right, you have seven different deposits,

00:09:42 ◼   ► and it was a crazy setup.

00:09:44 ◼   ► And then fortunately a couple years in,

00:09:45 ◼   ► they fixed it to just have one direct deposit.

00:09:47 ◼   ► And that's how it happened. - I got two.

00:09:49 ◼   ► I got two this last pay period.

00:09:50 ◼   ► I got two Apple deposits.

00:09:53 ◼   ► - Oh, really?

00:09:54 ◼   ► - I don't understand why.

00:09:55 ◼   ► - Is one of them a different, the other app?

00:09:57 ◼   ► Actually, yeah, it's one per Apple ID.

00:09:59 ◼   ► Oh no, 'cause you don't have--

00:10:00 ◼   ► - That's right, I just have the one,

00:10:03 ◼   ► I'm just selling both through a single app.

00:10:04 ◼   ► 'Cause I have received payments for months

00:10:07 ◼   ► when both were for sale, and I got one payment.

00:10:10 ◼   ► All right, this time I got two payments, which is fine.

00:10:12 ◼   ► Like if they wanna send me three payments, four payments,

00:10:14 ◼   ► just keep sending me money.

00:10:15 ◼   ► It's just mysterious.

00:10:16 ◼   ► I just noticed them as separate line items

00:10:18 ◼   ► in my bank account.

00:10:19 ◼   ► I'm like, huh, that's funny.

00:10:20 ◼   ► Why would they send me, it's the right amount.

00:10:21 ◼   ► Like if you add them together,

00:10:23 ◼   ► it's like, yep, there it is, that's all.

00:10:25 ◼   ► This is weird.

00:10:26 ◼   ► I'm still angry about the fact

00:10:28 ◼   ► that I couldn't change my company name.

00:10:30 ◼   ► Did I complain about that on the show at some point?

00:10:32 ◼   ► - No. - I was so angry about it

00:10:33 ◼   ► when it happened, but by the time we recorded,

00:10:35 ◼   ► I had chilled out and realized it doesn't actually matter.

00:10:37 ◼   ► But boy, in the moment I was angry.

00:10:38 ◼   ► I actually sent, the closest I've ever gotten

00:10:41 ◼   ► to sendering an angry email was a reply

00:10:44 ◼   ► to some poor, helpful person who was trying to tell me

00:10:46 ◼   ► that what I wanted to do was not possible,

00:10:48 ◼   ► and I was like, this is dumb.

00:10:50 ◼   ► That's how angry I get in emails.

00:10:52 ◼   ► I literally wrote, this is dumb.

00:10:54 ◼   ► - Wow, really spitting fire there, John.

00:10:56 ◼   ► - Thumbs down.

00:10:57 ◼   ► - I just, like, I was angry,

00:10:59 ◼   ► but I didn't wanna say something that was angry,

00:11:01 ◼   ► but I'm like, what can I say that's not based on emotion

00:11:03 ◼   ► but is true?

00:11:04 ◼   ► I'm like, you know what, this is actually dumb.

00:11:06 ◼   ► That is a truthful statement.

00:11:08 ◼   ► What I'm talking about is, since I had just freshly signed up

00:11:12 ◼   ► for my developer account and all that stuff,

00:11:16 ◼   ► I remembered at some point during the process,

00:11:18 ◼   ► there was something, you guys might not remember this

00:11:20 ◼   ► 'cause it was so long ago that you signed up,

00:11:22 ◼   ► maybe when Marco did it, this didn't even exist.

00:11:24 ◼   ► It was like, oh, and by the way,

00:11:26 ◼   ► as you're clicking through these things

00:11:27 ◼   ► and typing stuff in boxes, if you'd like your product

00:11:30 ◼   ► to show up on the store with a different name

00:11:32 ◼   ► that's visible to customers, type that name here.

00:11:35 ◼   ► And at the time I signed up, I was doing it as just me,

00:11:37 ◼   ► like my name, right?

00:11:39 ◼   ► And so I'm like, no, I don't want that, right?

00:11:40 ◼   ► Just John Sarcusa is fine, that'll show up

00:11:42 ◼   ► as the developer on the store.

00:11:44 ◼   ► And I did that for a while.

00:11:46 ◼   ► And eventually I made myself a company

00:11:48 ◼   ► and switched it over to that, and that took like

00:11:50 ◼   ► a month and a half to get through all that red tape.

00:11:52 ◼   ► And I'm like, and then I went to the app store

00:11:54 ◼   ► and I realized that my name was no longer visible,

00:11:56 ◼   ► and if you had to search on my name,

00:11:57 ◼   ► you didn't find me anymore.

00:11:58 ◼   ► I'm like, oh, that's bad.

00:11:59 ◼   ► If someone searches for a name,

00:12:00 ◼   ► I want them to find my apps, right?

00:12:02 ◼   ► And of course you can't add it to keywords

00:12:03 ◼   ► without releasing a new version, but that's a separate issue.

00:12:05 ◼   ► So I'm like, oh, I'll just change the company name back

00:12:08 ◼   ► and I'll just have it say my name again,

00:12:09 ◼   ► 'cause there's that field where you can change

00:12:11 ◼   ► what it says underneath your app to be something different

00:12:13 ◼   ► than your actual legal entity thing.

00:12:16 ◼   ► And I searched and searched and couldn't find it

00:12:19 ◼   ► and asked a bunch of people in developer slacks that I'm in

00:12:22 ◼   ► and went through all the help, and someone's like,

00:12:24 ◼   ► oh, I did that, my company changed their name

00:12:27 ◼   ► to this and that and the other thing.

00:12:28 ◼   ► And it just, eventually I kept running to dead ends

00:12:31 ◼   ► and I went through their official help system

00:12:34 ◼   ► and got people and I called them on the phone

00:12:37 ◼   ► and I had people telling me-

00:12:38 ◼   ► - Like an animal.

00:12:39 ◼   ► - Yeah, people were telling me we've done this twice.

00:12:42 ◼   ► In fact, we've changed our name twice, right?

00:12:44 ◼   ► And it's complicated by all the people

00:12:45 ◼   ► who actually did something slightly different.

00:12:47 ◼   ► I think both of you have a single person LLC

00:12:52 ◼   ► that's a disregarded entity for tax purposes.

00:12:55 ◼   ► It's really just me.

00:12:56 ◼   ► It's like legally and in all other ways, it's exactly me.

00:13:00 ◼   ► So changing my company name to my name on the app store

00:13:03 ◼   ► is not like misleading or anything like that.

00:13:05 ◼   ► And I forget the exact details, but the basically,

00:13:08 ◼   ► I said, I remember seeing that field or whatever.

00:13:11 ◼   ► And the person was like,

00:13:12 ◼   ► when you're doing the initial setup,

00:13:14 ◼   ► you can enter a registered trade name.

00:13:15 ◼   ► I don't know what that is, but whatever.

00:13:16 ◼   ► It sounds like a legal thing, a DBA,

00:13:18 ◼   ► which is I'm pretty sure doing business as

00:13:19 ◼   ► or a fictitious business name.

00:13:21 ◼   ► This cannot be edited or updated later.

00:13:24 ◼   ► So during the process, you can enter,

00:13:27 ◼   ► it sounds like anything, fictitious business name.

00:13:29 ◼   ► You can just make it up like whoopity doo,

00:13:32 ◼   ► like this is on the app store.

00:13:33 ◼   ► It's gonna say whoopity doo apps,

00:13:35 ◼   ► which is not even a thing.

00:13:36 ◼   ► It's not a legal entity in any way.

00:13:40 ◼   ► But once you've done that during setup,

00:13:42 ◼   ► you could never change it again.

00:13:44 ◼   ► And it will always be, what it will be is it will always be

00:13:46 ◼   ► the legal entity that Apple has considers.

00:13:49 ◼   ► So when I changed from me to an individual to my company,

00:13:51 ◼   ► it became my company.

00:13:52 ◼   ► Can I change it back to my name?

00:13:53 ◼   ► No, this cannot be edited or updated later.

00:13:58 ◼   ► And that's what I said was dumb.

00:13:59 ◼   ► I said, this is dumb.

00:14:01 ◼   ► And unless I don't understand,

00:14:02 ◼   ► 'cause for all I know fictitious business name

00:14:04 ◼   ► is a legal term that I don't understand

00:14:05 ◼   ► 'cause I'm not a smart business person.

00:14:08 ◼   ► But anyway, I was so angry that I couldn't just change it

00:14:10 ◼   ► back to my name, but by the time we recorded,

00:14:11 ◼   ► I had calmed down.

00:14:12 ◼   ► But now all of a sudden, I'm angry about it again

00:14:13 ◼   ► for some reason.

00:14:15 ◼   ► - No, I mean, ever since the beginning of the app store,

00:14:19 ◼   ► the process of changing your company name

00:14:22 ◼   ► or changing the name on your developer account

00:14:25 ◼   ► has always been effectively you can't do that

00:14:29 ◼   ► no matter what.

00:14:30 ◼   ► Now in reality, it's like, okay, if you know someone

00:14:32 ◼   ► or you email somebody at Apple

00:14:34 ◼   ► and you can get the right person, they can actually do it,

00:14:37 ◼   ► but the process apparently is very difficult.

00:14:39 ◼   ► I have never succeeded in doing it,

00:14:41 ◼   ► but I know people who have.

00:14:42 ◼   ► If you can call and get the right person

00:14:45 ◼   ► on the phone somehow or if you just get lucky

00:14:46 ◼   ► with who you talk to, that kind of thing,

00:14:48 ◼   ► which is annoying.

00:14:50 ◼   ► And it's the kind of thing that you would think

00:14:52 ◼   ► this would be easier.

00:14:54 ◼   ► So initially, you couldn't do it at all

00:14:55 ◼   ► no matter what, period.

00:14:56 ◼   ► Down the road, they added a special case

00:15:00 ◼   ► where if your company was sold to somebody else,

00:15:03 ◼   ► then you could change the account to be the new owner,

00:15:08 ◼   ► like a one-time change, and you had to send in

00:15:09 ◼   ► all this paperwork to prove that it was bought

00:15:12 ◼   ► by someone else.

00:15:13 ◼   ► So that might be an avenue for you.

00:15:16 ◼   ► Maybe you could say that John Siracusa has bought

00:15:19 ◼   ► Mac Pro LLC or whatever and tried to get it changed that way,

00:15:23 ◼   ► but I don't think that would work.

00:15:26 ◼   ► - According to entrepreneur.com,

00:15:28 ◼   ► fictitious business name is a similar thing

00:15:30 ◼   ► to doing business as, and as with all these things

00:15:33 ◼   ► in these lovely United States that we live in,

00:15:35 ◼   ► anytime you read anything having to do with business stuff,

00:15:38 ◼   ► they always have to hedge because it's always like,

00:15:40 ◼   ► in some states, X, Y, and Z is true.

00:15:42 ◼   ► So that's exactly what this thing says.

00:15:44 ◼   ► In some states, you have to register

00:15:46 ◼   ► your fictitious business name with the state.

00:15:49 ◼   ► Some states, you have to pay a fee,

00:15:51 ◼   ► but that also implies that in other states,

00:15:52 ◼   ► you don't have to.

00:15:53 ◼   ► So basically, if I really, really, really wanted

00:15:55 ◼   ► to make this happen, in theory, I could,

00:15:58 ◼   ► I never knew I could get a doing business as,

00:16:00 ◼   ► but I could probably also get a fictitious business name

00:16:02 ◼   ► if that's a thing that my state supports,

00:16:04 ◼   ► and get a legal filing to say, yeah, my company name,

00:16:08 ◼   ► the fictitious business name is my name.

00:16:10 ◼   ► But again, I will cite, and this is not the stupidity

00:16:12 ◼   ► of Apple, it's probably just the stupidity of law,

00:16:15 ◼   ► that's dumb because my LLC is a sole proprietor,

00:16:17 ◼   ► not a sole proprietorship, my LLC is a single-member LLC.

00:16:20 ◼   ► It's just me.

00:16:21 ◼   ► We are the same legal entity.

00:16:23 ◼   ► So I shouldn't have to get a DBA or a fictitious business

00:16:26 ◼   ► to say I can use my own name.

00:16:28 ◼   ► - Objection, Your Honor.

00:16:29 ◼   ► There's a problem with that logic.

00:16:30 ◼   ► The whole point of an LLC is to separate.

00:16:34 ◼   ► - I know, it's not the same as a legal entity.

00:16:36 ◼   ► I'm considered the same for tax purposes.

00:16:38 ◼   ► The tax is passed through, yes, you're right.

00:16:39 ◼   ► It's a different legal entity.

00:16:41 ◼   ► - However, I think this is why,

00:16:43 ◼   ► like LLCs in most states, at least, if not all of them,

00:16:46 ◼   ► are required to have LLC at the end of their name.

00:16:49 ◼   ► Corporations have Inc or Corp or whatever,

00:16:51 ◼   ► and the reason why, I think, if I remember correctly

00:16:54 ◼   ► from how this was explained to me like 15 years ago,

00:16:56 ◼   ► is so that people know, if you say,

00:17:01 ◼   ► I'm doing business with John Syracuse, period,

00:17:04 ◼   ► then your customers might think that the fullness

00:17:07 ◼   ► of John Syracuse is there to back it up liability-wise.

00:17:11 ◼   ► If they come to sue you and you say,

00:17:12 ◼   ► well, actually, you're not really suing me,

00:17:15 ◼   ► you're suing this LLC that you didn't even know was there,

00:17:18 ◼   ► and that LLC has $1 to its name,

00:17:20 ◼   ► and so, sorry, that's all you can get.

00:17:22 ◼   ► - So then how can you have a doing business as at all, though?

00:17:25 ◼   ► - That probably varies per state

00:17:26 ◼   ► with the requirements of that,

00:17:27 ◼   ► but I don't think you can say doing business

00:17:30 ◼   ► as your own personal name with no suffix or anything.

00:17:34 ◼   ► I think the whole point--

00:17:36 ◼   ► - You can only pick another name that ends in LLC.

00:17:37 ◼   ► - Or a name that is clearly not yours, probably.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Again, I'm not a lawyer,

00:17:42 ◼   ► but I'm pretty sure that's why these rules are there,

00:17:44 ◼   ► so you probably can't just say,

00:17:47 ◼   ► okay, I'm operating an LLC,

00:17:49 ◼   ► but I'm gonna not say that anywhere.

00:17:50 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say I'm John Syracuse,

00:17:52 ◼   ► 'cause that would probably expose you personally

00:17:54 ◼   ► to liability.

00:17:56 ◼   ► Anybody could then probably sue you and say,

00:17:58 ◼   ► well, you kind of broke the LLC seal there,

00:18:01 ◼   ► and so you're not really attracted by it.

00:18:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's a whole bunch of legal stuff about,

00:18:05 ◼   ► I forget what it's called, there's a term for it.

00:18:06 ◼   ► If you do stuff with your company

00:18:08 ◼   ► that mixes your personal stuff with it too much--

00:18:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:18:12 ◼   ► They can basically say,

00:18:13 ◼   ► you're not really operating this correctly,

00:18:14 ◼   ► and so therefore, you don't get the protection.

00:18:16 ◼   ► That's why I always recommend,

00:18:18 ◼   ► if you're gonna have an app, make money,

00:18:19 ◼   ► have an LLC, do everything under that LLC,

00:18:22 ◼   ► have a separate bank account

00:18:23 ◼   ► that the only transactions are for the business,

00:18:26 ◼   ► it has no other transactions,

00:18:28 ◼   ► it just keeps everything so much cleaner,

00:18:29 ◼   ► and it protects you a lot better

00:18:31 ◼   ► than any kind of weird jumbled arrangement.

00:18:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, and that's why I think all the people

00:18:35 ◼   ► who say they did this probably just changed

00:18:37 ◼   ► from one legal name to another,

00:18:40 ◼   ► from one corporation name to another corporation name,

00:18:42 ◼   ► or something like that, 'cause that's hard enough.

00:18:44 ◼   ► - Just changing it from my name to LLC was a pain,

00:18:46 ◼   ► and took a long time, right?

00:18:48 ◼   ► And I suppose you could do doing business as,

00:18:49 ◼   ► like, I was just looking at Microsoft's,

00:18:51 ◼   ► Microsoft's has Microsoft Corporation on it,

00:18:52 ◼   ► so maybe they're all like that.

00:18:54 ◼   ► So anyway, it still strikes me as dumb,

00:18:58 ◼   ► but I feel like the person who was helping me,

00:19:01 ◼   ► had they just explained what Marco just explained,

00:19:04 ◼   ► I would've been less angry, 'cause I'd be like,

00:19:05 ◼   ► oh, okay, 'cause I cited fictitious business name,

00:19:08 ◼   ► and be like, look, you don't understand,

00:19:09 ◼   ► fictitious business name is not what you think it is,

00:19:11 ◼   ► and the whole thing about the LLC suffix, or whatever,

00:19:14 ◼   ► like, I could've been walked off this ledge, but I wasn't,

00:19:17 ◼   ► so I got mad and said it was dumb.

00:19:19 ◼   ► But then I gave up on it, so, you know,

00:19:22 ◼   ► I did the right thing in the end,

00:19:23 ◼   ► which is, don't worry about it.

00:19:24 ◼   ► And then I just waited and waited for me

00:19:26 ◼   ► to do my next app update,

00:19:27 ◼   ► so I could put my name in the keywords.

00:19:29 ◼   ► - I should do that too, I never thought about that.

00:19:31 ◼   ► - Let me see if it works, I didn't even test it.

00:19:33 ◼   ► No one's buying my app anymore, but.

00:19:34 ◼   ► Hey, everyone in the chat room,

00:19:35 ◼   ► go buy another copy of my app, it's great.

00:19:38 ◼   ► - Me too, me too, me too.

00:19:40 ◼   ► I want some of that.

00:19:41 ◼   ► - His has some sort of memory problem, you don't want that.

00:19:43 ◼   ► - Aww.

00:19:44 ◼   ► - Hey, I got, oh, wow, someone put my name

00:19:47 ◼   ► in the keywords of their app.

00:19:49 ◼   ► Hmm, I don't know how I feel about that.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Oh, it's a cool app, I like this app,

00:19:54 ◼   ► so I guess it's good, I don't know.

00:19:55 ◼   ► - You're not supposed to like the spammers app.

00:19:57 ◼   ► - No, it's not like a, it's another app,

00:20:00 ◼   ► that someone was talking to me about the beta test,

00:20:01 ◼   ► and beta testing it, it's an app

00:20:03 ◼   ► that they thought I would like, and they're right,

00:20:05 ◼   ► it is an app that I would like.

00:20:07 ◼   ► I don't know where my name appears,

00:20:08 ◼   ► it could be in the keywords.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Anyway, downloading their app now.

00:20:11 ◼   ► Yeah, one of my, I have to wait,

00:20:14 ◼   ► I haven't updated front and center in a while,

00:20:15 ◼   ► but the next time I do, I will add my name to the keywords.

00:20:18 ◼   ► (electronic beeping)

00:20:20 ◼   ► - All right, so let's start the show with some follow-up.

00:20:24 ◼   ► I presume that neither John nor Marco

00:20:28 ◼   ► have looked at Instagram in the last,

00:20:31 ◼   ► 45 minutes to an hour?

00:20:32 ◼   ► - Incorrect, I saw your little thingy.

00:20:34 ◼   ► - If you look at my Insta stories,

00:20:35 ◼   ► you will see that I got some treats today,

00:20:38 ◼   ► and I have been messing about with all the Raspberry Pis.

00:20:42 ◼   ► So in my Insta story, if you're not on Instagram,

00:20:45 ◼   ► or don't care to look,

00:20:46 ◼   ► what you'll see is me taking a read switch,

00:20:50 ◼   ► which is a little magnetic switch,

00:20:52 ◼   ► and moving it close to the other half of it,

00:20:54 ◼   ► and out, and close, and then away,

00:20:56 ◼   ► and close, and then away,

00:20:57 ◼   ► and a little LED in the background,

00:20:58 ◼   ► lighting, and going off, and lighting, and then going off.

00:21:01 ◼   ► And that is my physical proof of concept

00:21:04 ◼   ► that everything, including my hilariously bad

00:21:07 ◼   ► soldering, has worked.

00:21:10 ◼   ► So I now have two Raspberry Pi Zero Ws,

00:21:15 ◼   ► so those are not at all the same as what I had.

00:21:18 ◼   ► What I had is like the big boy Raspberry Pi,

00:21:20 ◼   ► the Raspberry Pi 4.

00:21:21 ◼   ► Now I have two Raspberry Pi Zero Ws,

00:21:24 ◼   ► which are literally $10 computers

00:21:27 ◼   ► that have wireless and Bluetooth on them.

00:21:30 ◼   ► So what I have is, as described last time

00:21:34 ◼   ► in my ridiculously overcomplicated Rube Goldberg setup,

00:21:38 ◼   ► what I have is a setup wherein one of the Raspberry Pis

00:21:43 ◼   ► is just detecting this magnetic read switch,

00:21:46 ◼   ► and then sending a multicast message to the other one,

00:21:48 ◼   ► which is saying it's open, it's closed,

00:21:50 ◼   ► it's open, it's closed,

00:21:51 ◼   ► and then that other one will light or extinguish an LED.

00:21:56 ◼   ► Now, since we last spoke,

00:21:59 ◼   ► a lot of people have written in

00:22:00 ◼   ► to share all sorts of completely legitimate,

00:22:02 ◼   ► and considerably easier, and in many arguments,

00:22:04 ◼   ► better approaches to fix this problem,

00:22:07 ◼   ► but I don't care, because I wanted to fix it this way,

00:22:10 ◼   ► because it's fun, and I wanted to get some of this

00:22:12 ◼   ► kind of weird nervous energy out of my system,

00:22:14 ◼   ► which we talk about in the forthcoming analog,

00:22:16 ◼   ► which won't be out until a few days after this episode.

00:22:19 ◼   ► But anyway, the other thing I've learned in the last week

00:22:22 ◼   ► is that there are four connectors

00:22:27 ◼   ► on the back of my garage door opener.

00:22:30 ◼   ► Two of them seem to be just like a constant power.

00:22:35 ◼   ► One of them is connected to the sensors

00:22:38 ◼   ► at the bottom of the garage door,

00:22:39 ◼   ► so they know if one of the kids runs through

00:22:41 ◼   ► whilst the garage door's closing,

00:22:42 ◼   ► then it would stop the garage door from closing.

00:22:45 ◼   ► And the other one is connected to the switch in the wall.

00:22:47 ◼   ► And it appears that all you need to do

00:22:50 ◼   ► to tell the garage door to open or close

00:22:53 ◼   ► is just connect the common line,

00:22:56 ◼   ► or the always powered line,

00:22:58 ◼   ► to the line coming from the switch in the wall.

00:23:01 ◼   ► So to test this theory, I did what I shouldn't have done,

00:23:04 ◼   ► but it worked, is I took a pair of pliers

00:23:07 ◼   ► and just connected it,

00:23:08 ◼   ► physically touched it to the two screws,

00:23:10 ◼   ► one of which is the common line,

00:23:12 ◼   ► and one of which is the line from the wall unit,

00:23:15 ◼   ► and sure enough, the garage door started closing.

00:23:17 ◼   ► And then I did it again, and it started opening.

00:23:19 ◼   ► What this means is, with a relay,

00:23:22 ◼   ► I should be able to open and close the garage door

00:23:24 ◼   ► from the Raspberry Pi.

00:23:25 ◼   ► And so I have a relay, which I have not even opened yet,

00:23:28 ◼   ► but my next mission is to hack together

00:23:30 ◼   ► my own completely bespoke HomeKit-enabled

00:23:33 ◼   ► garage door setup.

00:23:34 ◼   ► Why?

00:23:35 ◼   ► Because I can, and because it's fun.

00:23:37 ◼   ► And I'm having a lot of fun,

00:23:39 ◼   ► and it's stunning to me that I actually made this work.

00:23:43 ◼   ► - I have some design notes for your,

00:23:45 ◼   ► based on your Instagram thing.

00:23:47 ◼   ► - Oh, it looks like utter garbage, and it's terrible.

00:23:50 ◼   ► And you should not see-- - It's not that.

00:23:52 ◼   ► It's something bigger.

00:23:53 ◼   ► So I may be wrong,

00:23:57 ◼   ► but my guess is that you are overestimating

00:24:01 ◼   ► the precision of your garage door with those sensors.

00:24:04 ◼   ► Like, when you're holding the sensors up to each other

00:24:06 ◼   ► and saying, "Look, open, closed, open, closed,"

00:24:07 ◼   ► you're assuming that the door will come

00:24:11 ◼   ► to a closed position with such precision

00:24:14 ◼   ► that those two things will be anywhere close enough

00:24:16 ◼   ► to each other and aligned with each other

00:24:18 ◼   ► to actually activate.

00:24:19 ◼   ► When you're doing it with your hand, it works great.

00:24:21 ◼   ► When you're doing it with the garage door,

00:24:22 ◼   ► I can imagine there being up to a centimeter gap

00:24:24 ◼   ► in any direction.

00:24:26 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's theoretically true,

00:24:28 ◼   ► but let me remind you that, as we discussed last week,

00:24:31 ◼   ► when I was at Dub-Dub a year or two ago,

00:24:33 ◼   ► the garage door completely buckled,

00:24:35 ◼   ► and we got a whole new garage door

00:24:36 ◼   ► and a whole new garage door opener.

00:24:37 ◼   ► So this is not one of the 20-year-old, god-awful,

00:24:41 ◼   ► extremely loud, extremely rickety garage door openers,

00:24:44 ◼   ► or at least not yet.

00:24:45 ◼   ► But I do take your point, and you very well may be right.

00:24:48 ◼   ► I haven't even attempted to mount these little sensors,

00:24:51 ◼   ► so to speak, on the garage door or anywhere near it.

00:24:55 ◼   ► But my hope is that it'll at least

00:24:57 ◼   ► be able to get close enough.

00:24:59 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:24:59 ◼   ► I mean, what kind of tolerances do we have?

00:25:01 ◼   ► Do we have Apple-style iPhone tolerances

00:25:04 ◼   ► on your garage door where it's submillimeter precision

00:25:06 ◼   ► where this door comes to rest

00:25:07 ◼   ► in exactly the same spot every time?

00:25:09 ◼   ► I guess we'll find out.

00:25:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, we will find out.

00:25:11 ◼   ► That's part of tomorrow's mission as well.

00:25:12 ◼   ► If I'm procrastinating on doing vignette image-related work

00:25:16 ◼   ► and memory-related work, then I'll be trying to mount all this

00:25:18 ◼   ► and see if I can get that going.

00:25:21 ◼   ► We have some other follow-up from Colin McKellar,

00:25:23 ◼   ► who wrote in with regard to ARM predictions.

00:25:25 ◼   ► So we had said last episode that we couldn't remember

00:25:28 ◼   ► when each of us had wagered the ARM transition,

00:25:31 ◼   ► if it happens, would happen.

00:25:32 ◼   ► And Colin wrote that in episode 285,

00:25:35 ◼   ► starting at about three minutes and 48 seconds

00:25:38 ◼   ► into the episode, and this was from the 30th of July, 2018,

00:25:43 ◼   ► we had made predictions.

00:25:45 ◼   ► And according to Colin, and I didn't verify

00:25:48 ◼   ► if this was exactly right, but I take them at their word,

00:25:52 ◼   ► I had said sometime in five to 10 years from 2018,

00:25:54 ◼   ► which puts that at 2023 through 2028,

00:25:58 ◼   ► with the first Mac definitely by 2023.

00:26:01 ◼   ► I think the context was when would the transition start

00:26:04 ◼   ► and when would it be done?

00:26:05 ◼   ► John said, you had said it would be done in 10 years,

00:26:08 ◼   ► which is 2028, with a fast transition once it starts.

00:26:11 ◼   ► However, in episode 306, at about an hour and 36 minutes,

00:26:15 ◼   ► apparently you had said you would be surprised

00:26:17 ◼   ► if there were no ARM Macs by 2021.

00:26:20 ◼   ► Marco was the most aggressive and bold.

00:26:22 ◼   ► You had said the first one within two years,

00:26:24 ◼   ► which would put that at about mid 2020, mid this year,

00:26:27 ◼   ► and the last Intel Mac sold within five years,

00:26:30 ◼   ► which would be about 2023, and then finally Colin

00:26:33 ◼   ► also noted that on the talk show,

00:26:36 ◼   ► specifically episode 227, Gruber had noted

00:26:38 ◼   ► that he think it'll be announced last year

00:26:40 ◼   ► with a transition this year.

00:26:42 ◼   ► So we'll see what happens.

00:26:43 ◼   ► - I feel pretty good about that.

00:26:46 ◼   ► I think this summer is probably too soon,

00:26:48 ◼   ► as I said at the beginning of my range yet,

00:26:52 ◼   ► but I bet it's not by that much.

00:26:54 ◼   ► I'm guessing it's probably gonna be at the earliest,

00:26:57 ◼   ► possibly this fall, at the latest, probably next fall.

00:27:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, the problem with all these predictions

00:27:03 ◼   ► is they were like in 2018-ish,

00:27:04 ◼   ► and that's a little bit too close,

00:27:05 ◼   ► 'cause by then we had rumors and we were all informed

00:27:09 ◼   ► by the same stories coming out of it,

00:27:11 ◼   ► leaked type stuff coming out of Apple.

00:27:13 ◼   ► It's just the difficulty of predictions

00:27:15 ◼   ► that are close to the event.

00:27:17 ◼   ► We start getting some real information,

00:27:18 ◼   ► and it's not just hunches.

00:27:20 ◼   ► That's why we're all clustered around this kind of thing.

00:27:23 ◼   ► It's just a question of how long do we expand out.

00:27:25 ◼   ► And I don't remember this conversation,

00:27:27 ◼   ► but I imagine my 10-year thing was like,

00:27:28 ◼   ► well, one Mac could hold on for a really long time,

00:27:31 ◼   ► presumably the Mac Pro, but who knows?

00:27:33 ◼   ► So it could, but I'm saying by 10 years,

00:27:35 ◼   ► this has gotta be done.

00:27:36 ◼   ► What I was basically probably railing against there

00:27:38 ◼   ► was the idea that they're gonna permanently keep

00:27:40 ◼   ► the Mac Pro x86 or something,

00:27:43 ◼   ► and I just don't see that happening.

00:27:44 ◼   ► - So the other thing we had talked about

00:27:47 ◼   ► at some point in the past,

00:27:48 ◼   ► and we didn't talk about this last week, did we?

00:27:50 ◼   ► What is gonna be the first Mac to go ARM?

00:27:52 ◼   ► - We've talked about it before.

00:27:54 ◼   ► - You know, we've absolutely talked about it before.

00:27:55 ◼   ► I'm saying, what do you think now?

00:27:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, and before, I think we said the 12 inch,

00:27:59 ◼   ► which no longer exists technically.

00:28:01 ◼   ► It could come back. - Could exist again.

00:28:02 ◼   ► - Right, it could come back as that.

00:28:04 ◼   ► I think if I had to guess,

00:28:07 ◼   ► I'm gonna guess the MacBook Air.

00:28:08 ◼   ► - I don't know if it's gonna be a single,

00:28:11 ◼   ► like you're saying, is it gonna be one Mac?

00:28:12 ◼   ► I mean, I suppose it could.

00:28:13 ◼   ► There's no reason.

00:28:15 ◼   ► But obviously we're thinking laptop,

00:28:18 ◼   ► because that makes the most sense,

00:28:19 ◼   ► and then it's just a question of which laptop,

00:28:21 ◼   ► could it be all the laptops?

00:28:22 ◼   ► I was still kind of rooting for that thing.

00:28:24 ◼   ► Apple hasn't done it in a while.

00:28:25 ◼   ► They've been much more sort of conservative,

00:28:27 ◼   ► where you pick a guinea pig machine, you do it,

00:28:29 ◼   ► and it eventually rolls out to the other products, right?

00:28:31 ◼   ► But I kind of miss the days when they would just say,

00:28:33 ◼   ► guess what, here's our new line of ARM-powered laptops,

00:28:35 ◼   ► and it's all of them.

00:28:36 ◼   ► It's the Air, the 13 inch MacBook Pro

00:28:38 ◼   ► that we'll talk about later, and the 16 inch.

00:28:39 ◼   ► It's just three computers, Apple could do it.

00:28:42 ◼   ► So that's not my prediction, but that's what I'm rooting for.

00:28:44 ◼   ► My prediction, yeah, I'm gonna go with the Air.

00:28:48 ◼   ► In the current lineup, that's what I'm gonna say.

00:28:50 ◼   ► - You know, I would say the same,

00:28:51 ◼   ► but Marco's really messed with my mind

00:28:54 ◼   ► by saying it's something new.

00:28:55 ◼   ► I wonder if it would be something new.

00:28:58 ◼   ► It could be the--

00:28:59 ◼   ► - I said the Air. - The 12 inch.

00:29:00 ◼   ► He said the Air, he just mentioned like,

00:29:02 ◼   ► the 12 inch could come back in the form of a new fanless--

00:29:05 ◼   ► - Right, that's what I'm talking about.

00:29:07 ◼   ► I don't know if it would necessarily be the 12 inch,

00:29:09 ◼   ► but it wouldn't surprise me if there's some sort of

00:29:11 ◼   ► new thing, a la the Air when it was brand new,

00:29:14 ◼   ► or perhaps the adorable when it was brand new.

00:29:17 ◼   ► You know, something-- - Like an iOS laptop, yeah.

00:29:19 ◼   ► - Like an iOS laptop, you never know.

00:29:20 ◼   ► Things could get crazy.

00:29:22 ◼   ► - I mean, you could also argue though,

00:29:23 ◼   ► that like, the 11 inch iPad with various keyboard options

00:29:26 ◼   ► that are now available, satisfies a lot of that need

00:29:29 ◼   ► for a super tiny laptop.

00:29:31 ◼   ► That was previously solved by the 12 inch.

00:29:33 ◼   ► But ultimately, the reason I guess the MacBook Air

00:29:35 ◼   ► is that it's just such a massive hit.

00:29:38 ◼   ► It hits such a sweet spot of needs for most people

00:29:42 ◼   ► being pretty well satisfied.

00:29:44 ◼   ► Really the one area that the MacBook Air

00:29:47 ◼   ► really is not so great at is CPU performance.

00:29:51 ◼   ► And so that's the area where ARM could really help there.

00:29:53 ◼   ► Like, it's not so great in CPU performance

00:29:55 ◼   ► because they need a super low wattage part from Intel

00:29:58 ◼   ► to fit that chassis and thermal design.

00:30:00 ◼   ► And Intel, this is like, this is the best Intel can do

00:30:02 ◼   ► with that wattage.

00:30:03 ◼   ► I bet Apple could do better.

00:30:05 ◼   ► - And no one's gonna argue against getting

00:30:07 ◼   ► more battery life as well, right?

00:30:08 ◼   ► So it's a crowd pleaser, that computer.

00:30:11 ◼   ► Put an ARM in that thing and no one's gonna question

00:30:13 ◼   ► why this computer exists and what the benefits might be.

00:30:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would buy one immediately.

00:30:17 ◼   ► Like day one, an ARM MacBook Air, I would buy it immediately.

00:30:22 ◼   ► 'Cause the current MacBook Air,

00:30:24 ◼   ► again, it's wonderful in many ways.

00:30:26 ◼   ► It really is an amazing size.

00:30:29 ◼   ► Like, even the previous one with the butterfly keyboard,

00:30:32 ◼   ► I never bought one, but I handled one a few times.

00:30:36 ◼   ► Like in a store, and if people would have one,

00:30:38 ◼   ► I'd pick it up and play with it.

00:30:40 ◼   ► And it felt great.

00:30:42 ◼   ► Like, it's a great feeling form factor.

00:30:44 ◼   ► That just the size and the wedge shape really feels good.

00:30:48 ◼   ► And they've done a good job with the other physical stuff,

00:30:49 ◼   ► like the hinge and everything too.

00:30:50 ◼   ► But like, you know, I love my 16 inch,

00:30:53 ◼   ► and I'm glad I have it most of the time I'm using it.

00:30:55 ◼   ► But I can't deny there is a very strong appeal

00:30:58 ◼   ► of like a super small laptop that can still somehow

00:31:01 ◼   ► make a good balance of like screen size

00:31:03 ◼   ► and power and everything else.

00:31:04 ◼   ► And the current Air is just a little bit too slow.

00:31:07 ◼   ► We'll get to this later when we talk about the 13 inch.

00:31:09 ◼   ► The current Air is a little bit too slow for me.

00:31:11 ◼   ► I would feel that pretty frequently.

00:31:13 ◼   ► But an ARM version could plausibly be faster enough

00:31:18 ◼   ► to really close that gap between it and the current Pros,

00:31:20 ◼   ► or even surpass them.

00:31:22 ◼   ► - The other angle on this is the other,

00:31:24 ◼   ► like the second most likely, or maybe it's tied.

00:31:28 ◼   ► If you think about it, you know,

00:31:29 ◼   ► we keep thinking like which computer would benefit most

00:31:31 ◼   ► from ARM, where does it make sense to have ARM,

00:31:33 ◼   ► yada yada yada.

00:31:33 ◼   ► All those are factors, but the other factor is like,

00:31:36 ◼   ► okay, but this will be the first one.

00:31:37 ◼   ► So it's gonna have the most growing pains,

00:31:39 ◼   ► and do you really wanna put those growing pains

00:31:41 ◼   ► and those compromises and have to explain it to buyers

00:31:43 ◼   ► who are our most popular product?

00:31:45 ◼   ► Or, and I think this is what they do with Intel,

00:31:47 ◼   ► or do you want to instead put it in the 16 inch?

00:31:49 ◼   ► Just because so few people buy that,

00:31:51 ◼   ► and the people who buy it know what they're getting into

00:31:52 ◼   ► in terms of whatever emulation there might be,

00:31:54 ◼   ► or compatibility concerns, you know what I mean?

00:31:56 ◼   ► To let the more expensive lower volume computer

00:31:59 ◼   ► be the first one just to shake out all the kinks

00:32:02 ◼   ► and get it settled because by putting it in the MacBook Air,

00:32:05 ◼   ► there's probably best selling Mac,

00:32:08 ◼   ► then now you have this thing that you have to explain

00:32:10 ◼   ► to people, especially if you don't sell the x86 one anymore.

00:32:12 ◼   ► It's like, oh, I was gonna get a Mac,

00:32:14 ◼   ► but I hear they don't run their software right anymore,

00:32:16 ◼   ► or something or other, right?

00:32:17 ◼   ► That's the risk with doing it on your most popular computer

00:32:20 ◼   ► to begin with.

00:32:21 ◼   ► Doesn't mean they're not gonna do it,

00:32:22 ◼   ► that's just the opposite argument,

00:32:23 ◼   ► then the way that you could end up having it in

00:32:27 ◼   ► the top end laptop first, right?

00:32:29 ◼   ► Put it in the Mac Pro first if the first one they make

00:32:31 ◼   ► is 64 cores, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

00:32:34 ◼   ► - You know, if you'll permit me to go back a step,

00:32:35 ◼   ► I forgot to mention a small tale of woe I had

00:32:38 ◼   ► with my new treats that I got today.

00:32:41 ◼   ► So I had ordered the Pi Zero W, as I had mentioned,

00:32:45 ◼   ► and again, this is a single board $10 computer,

00:32:48 ◼   ► and I didn't get one of the overpriced starter packs

00:32:53 ◼   ► that has a case and a power supply and all this other junk

00:32:56 ◼   ► because I didn't need that, I knew what I was doing,

00:32:59 ◼   ► or so I thought.

00:33:01 ◼   ► One of the things that I needed,

00:33:04 ◼   ► or basically in order to get these things started,

00:33:06 ◼   ► what happens is that you can choose to buy,

00:33:09 ◼   ► and I did, a SD card that has something called NOOBS

00:33:13 ◼   ► pre-installed on it, N-O-O-B-S.

00:33:15 ◼   ► What that basically does is it lets you decide

00:33:17 ◼   ► what OS you wanna put on that card,

00:33:19 ◼   ► and it'll do like an internet restore

00:33:21 ◼   ► in order to install that OS.

00:33:23 ◼   ► And so generally speaking, you would just install

00:33:25 ◼   ► the Raspberry Pi, a Raspbian Linux distribution,

00:33:28 ◼   ► and that'll be that.

00:33:29 ◼   ► And so I had ordered a couple of 16 gig SD cards

00:33:33 ◼   ► for these little computers, and that had NOOBS on it,

00:33:35 ◼   ► and so the first order of business

00:33:37 ◼   ► in order to get everything working is to go ahead

00:33:40 ◼   ► and plug in a keyboard to the Raspberry Pi Zero W

00:33:43 ◼   ► and plug in my TV that's operating as an HDMI monitor.

00:33:48 ◼   ► And so I didn't order any sort of dongles

00:33:51 ◼   ► or anything with this because I did get,

00:33:53 ◼   ► with my Pi 4, dongles for HDMI,

00:33:57 ◼   ► and it has USB ports and so on and so forth.

00:34:00 ◼   ► I go to set the first one of my two Pi Zeros up,

00:34:05 ◼   ► and gentlemen, if you will look at the link

00:34:07 ◼   ► in the chat/in the show notes,

00:34:09 ◼   ► you can see all the different connectors on the Pi Zero W.

00:34:13 ◼   ► And the connectors are mini HDMI and USB on the go ports,

00:34:18 ◼   ► and then micro USB for power.

00:34:21 ◼   ► So USB on the go is apparently also micro USB,

00:34:25 ◼   ► but all I have keyboard-wise is an Apple,

00:34:30 ◼   ► like not wireless, an Apple wired extended keyboard,

00:34:35 ◼   ► one of the ones that has a USB port,

00:34:36 ◼   ► which works great on the Raspberry Pi 4

00:34:38 ◼   ► that has a full-size USB port, but on this,

00:34:41 ◼   ► oh, I can't connect a keyboard.

00:34:44 ◼   ► Well, that's a problem.

00:34:46 ◼   ► And then I went digging through my drawers full of adapters,

00:34:50 ◼   ► and finally I got a series of adapters

00:34:52 ◼   ► that would let me plug in a keyboard

00:34:53 ◼   ► so I can actually do something with this computer.

00:34:56 ◼   ► - You actually have, 'cause like,

00:34:57 ◼   ► so what USB on the go is basically is a micro USB port

00:35:02 ◼   ► that's acting as a USB host port

00:35:05 ◼   ► instead of USB device side port.

00:35:07 ◼   ► So it's like a micro USB port on a device,

00:35:10 ◼   ► but on the computer side instead.

00:35:12 ◼   ► Normally the cables are not made to do that.

00:35:15 ◼   ► - Right, so I was able to get a series of cables connected

00:35:18 ◼   ► to plug a full-size USB keyboard into this thing,

00:35:23 ◼   ► and then I went to connect my display.

00:35:25 ◼   ► Now I don't know how close you were paying attention earlier,

00:35:27 ◼   ► but I said that the Raspberry Pi Zero W,

00:35:29 ◼   ► and let me just make sure I get this right,

00:35:31 ◼   ► it has a mini HDMI port on it.

00:35:33 ◼   ► However, my Raspberry Pi 4 has a micro,

00:35:37 ◼   ► well, two micro HDMI ports.

00:35:39 ◼   ► So I have micro HDMI cables.

00:35:42 ◼   ► I do not have mini HDMI cables.

00:35:45 ◼   ► And what really chaps my hind quarters is

00:35:47 ◼   ► I went through all of my cables like six months ago,

00:35:50 ◼   ► and I remember seeing one of these cables and thinking,

00:35:53 ◼   ► "Oh, that's for a camcorder that we had 10 years ago.

00:35:56 ◼   ► "I will never need this cable again, off it goes."

00:35:58 ◼   ► - Let this be a lesson to you kids,

00:36:00 ◼   ► never throw out anything.

00:36:01 ◼   ► - Never throw out anything.

00:36:04 ◼   ► - I might need that cable someday.

00:36:06 ◼   ► - That's totally the wrong lesson.

00:36:08 ◼   ► No, let this be a lesson to you kids.

00:36:09 ◼   ► When you buy your first Raspberry Pi of a certain size,

00:36:12 ◼   ► get the adapter kit with it

00:36:13 ◼   ► that everyone sells for like an extra 15 bucks.

00:36:15 ◼   ► - That's another lesson you could take from this.

00:36:18 ◼   ► Or you could just hoard all your cables forever.

00:36:20 ◼   ► Like I know you're gonna pay more for the cables and adapters

00:36:22 ◼   ► than you did for the Pi Zero W, which is $10,

00:36:24 ◼   ► but still, there's a reason why those kits exist,

00:36:27 ◼   ► because yeah, the first one of these you buy,

00:36:30 ◼   ► you're not gonna have all the weird,

00:36:31 ◼   ► crazy little tiny cables it needs.

00:36:32 ◼   ► So just get the kit the first time.

00:36:34 ◼   ► It's like $25, and then you can go from there.

00:36:37 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:36:38 ◼   ► Now, I assumed, unfortunately,

00:36:41 ◼   ► that they were the same connector.

00:36:43 ◼   ► Why wouldn't they be?

00:36:44 ◼   ► But they are not.

00:36:45 ◼   ► And so now I have a very unique scenario

00:36:48 ◼   ► where I do have a keyboard connected, hypothetically,

00:36:50 ◼   ► as it turns out, I never tested it.

00:36:52 ◼   ► I do have a keyboard connected, but I can't see anything.

00:36:55 ◼   ► And that's going to make things challenging.

00:36:57 ◼   ► So what does one do?

00:37:00 ◼   ► Now, Marco, you might know the answer to this,

00:37:02 ◼   ► but I'm curious, John, and this is an unfair question.

00:37:04 ◼   ► I'll be the first to tell you it's an unfair question,

00:37:05 ◼   ► but what would you try, John, in order to fix this problem?

00:37:09 ◼   ► - Could you SSH into it and use a big, expensive,

00:37:11 ◼   ► thousand-dollar computer as a dumb terminal?

00:37:13 ◼   ► - Certainly, except that there is no OS on it as yet.

00:37:16 ◼   ► Remember that, noobs, the first thing you do

00:37:18 ◼   ► is you choose what OS to put on it

00:37:21 ◼   ► using a keyboard and a display,

00:37:22 ◼   ► and then at that point, you could probably SSH into it.

00:37:25 ◼   ► But what do you do?

00:37:28 ◼   ► - I don't know, can you just do it by feel?

00:37:30 ◼   ► (John laughs)

00:37:31 ◼   ► - Maybe, maybe.

00:37:32 ◼   ► - You could've used the Force.

00:37:34 ◼   ► (John laughs)

00:37:34 ◼   ► I can tell when you have to hit F2

00:37:36 ◼   ► during the BIOS process to get something done.

00:37:39 ◼   ► - I guess, in theory, I could've booted one of the,

00:37:42 ◼   ► 'cause I got two cards, one for each Pi,

00:37:44 ◼   ► I guess I could've put the other card

00:37:46 ◼   ► in the Raspberry Pi 4 and kind of followed along,

00:37:48 ◼   ► you know what I mean, and just guessed.

00:37:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I just watched a YouTube video.

00:37:51 ◼   ► - Or watched, yeah, that's true, I didn't think about that.

00:37:53 ◼   ► That's actually a pretty good answer.

00:37:54 ◼   ► I'm annoyed, because that's a pretty good answer.

00:37:55 ◼   ► Marco, do you know what I feel like is the correct answer?

00:37:59 ◼   ► How would you have handled this?

00:38:00 ◼   ► 'Cause I think you might know.

00:38:02 ◼   ► - I think there's probably some config file you can edit

00:38:06 ◼   ► or some file you create, like if you touch a file

00:38:09 ◼   ► at a certain path on the card,

00:38:10 ◼   ► you can tell it just automatically configure with this

00:38:12 ◼   ► or enable SSH or something like that.

00:38:14 ◼   ► That's the solution I would look for,

00:38:16 ◼   ► is like, is there something I can modify on this SD card

00:38:19 ◼   ► to make it automatically configure enough to the point

00:38:22 ◼   ► where I can get an SSH login?

00:38:24 ◼   ► - I will award you full credit.

00:38:25 ◼   ► Even, you were missing a step,

00:38:27 ◼   ► but I still award you full credit.

00:38:28 ◼   ► - Hold down a key on the keyboard that you just connected?

00:38:30 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no.

00:38:32 ◼   ► So what I ended up doing was I used an app called Etcher

00:38:36 ◼   ► on my Mac to basically reset and reformat the SD card

00:38:41 ◼   ► to actually have the OS already on it.

00:38:43 ◼   ► So not have noobs on it,

00:38:45 ◼   ► but instead have the full OS installation on it.

00:38:48 ◼   ► At that point, this is where Marco, you're exactly right,

00:38:51 ◼   ► you can put a file or touch a file called SSH

00:38:55 ◼   ► into the root of that file system,

00:38:57 ◼   ► and it will automatically enable SSH when it boots.

00:39:00 ◼   ► However, this thing does not have an ethernet port on it.

00:39:05 ◼   ► How do I connect to my wifi, which is not exactly open?

00:39:08 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:39:10 ◼   ► - You can open it up for two seconds.

00:39:11 ◼   ► No one's gonna hack you.

00:39:12 ◼   ► - I could.

00:39:13 ◼   ► - Is there some, again, config files,

00:39:15 ◼   ► is there some config file you can put on there

00:39:17 ◼   ► that says connect to this SSID with this password?

00:39:20 ◼   ► - As it turns out, wpa_supplicant.config,

00:39:24 ◼   ► you set your country, you set a couple other parameters,

00:39:27 ◼   ► and then you set a network, and you say

00:39:30 ◼   ► it's such and such SSID with such and such pre-shared key,

00:39:33 ◼   ► and sure enough, when I plugged this thing in,

00:39:35 ◼   ► suddenly my Eero app said hi, there's a new Raspberry Pi

00:39:38 ◼   ► connected to your network.

00:39:39 ◼   ► And so I was able to at that point SSH,

00:39:41 ◼   ► or if I really wanted to, I guess I could have VNCed

00:39:43 ◼   ► if I'd started X Windows, but I was able to SSH in

00:39:46 ◼   ► and do everything I needed to do.

00:39:47 ◼   ► But imagine my utter misery when I've finally gotten

00:39:52 ◼   ► my treats that I've been waiting, I don't know,

00:39:53 ◼   ► less than a week ultimately, but it felt like forever for.

00:39:56 ◼   ► I finally got all the stuff I need,

00:39:57 ◼   ► and there was an Amazon order and a pyshop.us order,

00:40:02 ◼   ► so two different orders that happened to come

00:40:04 ◼   ► at the exact same time, and I'm all excited with myself.

00:40:07 ◼   ► I'm not gonna have to wait for anything.

00:40:08 ◼   ► Ooh, and I'll be able to talk about it on the show.

00:40:10 ◼   ► This is like a double bonus, and, ah, crap,

00:40:13 ◼   ► I don't have any way to plug it into a monitor.

00:40:16 ◼   ► - No, this is perfect.

00:40:18 ◼   ► The entire reason you got this is because you wanted

00:40:22 ◼   ► an incredibly complicated, convoluted, pain in the ass

00:40:25 ◼   ► solution to a very simple problem.

00:40:27 ◼   ► - It's so true.

00:40:28 ◼   ► - You're getting your money's worth.

00:40:29 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I'm getting my money's worth.

00:40:30 ◼   ► - What you got was that problem being even more

00:40:33 ◼   ► convoluted and pain in the ass than you thought it would be.

00:40:35 ◼   ► - Never has $10 bought so much hardware

00:40:38 ◼   ► and software headaches.

00:40:39 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:40:41 ◼   ► That's how to really stretch your dollar.

00:40:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, right?

00:40:43 ◼   ► - Oh, God, it's so true.

00:40:44 ◼   ► - You are keeping busy, I tell you what,

00:40:46 ◼   ► you are finding ways to keep yourself busy

00:40:48 ◼   ► during this difficult time.

00:40:50 ◼   ► Give yourself credit.

00:40:51 ◼   ► - That's the way it is when it starts trying to line up

00:40:52 ◼   ► those sensors on the garage door.

00:40:54 ◼   ► Open, close, open, close.

00:40:57 ◼   ► Let me just bend it a little bit more, open, close.

00:40:59 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:41:00 ◼   ► - That's gonna be a three weekend ever,

00:41:01 ◼   ► I'm telling you right now.

00:41:03 ◼   ► But no, it was such a, like again, this is so stupid.

00:41:08 ◼   ► I recognize it's stupid, but in the heat of the moment,

00:41:10 ◼   ► it was such like a rollercoaster, 'cause I've got my treats.

00:41:12 ◼   ► I go and open it up, I go to set it all up,

00:41:14 ◼   ► and oh wait, I can't connect my keyboard.

00:41:17 ◼   ► Oh, oh, oh, I finally put together all the adapters

00:41:19 ◼   ► necessary for the keyboard.

00:41:21 ◼   ► Oh, I can't get on the wifi.

00:41:23 ◼   ► Oh wait, oh no, you know what I can do?

00:41:25 ◼   ► I can use the same connectors,

00:41:26 ◼   ► I actually have USB to ethernet.

00:41:28 ◼   ► I can put it on ethernet just long enough to set up wifi.

00:41:32 ◼   ► Oh crap, I can't connect to display.

00:41:33 ◼   ► So it was like issue after issue.

00:41:37 ◼   ► I am definitely getting my $10 worth

00:41:39 ◼   ► out of computer headaches, as you said.

00:41:40 ◼   ► But even though this is so frustrating and silly,

00:41:45 ◼   ► I think because it's silly, I enjoy it so much,

00:41:49 ◼   ► because it's so, like the stakes are so low.

00:41:51 ◼   ► Like what's the worst that happened?

00:41:53 ◼   ► I think all in on this garage project,

00:41:55 ◼   ► I'm at like 100 bucks, which is not a little amount of money.

00:41:57 ◼   ► Like that's money, but in the grand scheme of things,

00:42:00 ◼   ► it's not insurmountable money.

00:42:02 ◼   ► And I have gotten, even though it has been stressful,

00:42:06 ◼   ► I have gotten incredible amounts of joy

00:42:09 ◼   ► from being able to do all this and tinker.

00:42:11 ◼   ► And now I briefly FaceTimed with my dad

00:42:14 ◼   ► to show him my achievement tonight.

00:42:16 ◼   ► And something that occurred to me

00:42:17 ◼   ► as I was talking with him was,

00:42:19 ◼   ► even though I've been writing software for,

00:42:21 ◼   ► like professionally for almost 20 years,

00:42:24 ◼   ► and in an amateur sense for probably 30 at this point,

00:42:27 ◼   ► I've, only in a couple of occasions

00:42:32 ◼   ► have I really seen my software come to life,

00:42:34 ◼   ► in the sense that it is interfacing with the physical world.

00:42:38 ◼   ► And my first job out of college was actually,

00:42:41 ◼   ► and I've mentioned this several times in the past,

00:42:42 ◼   ► was writing C++ for DOS to power slot machines that,

00:42:47 ◼   ► well, they weren't actually slot machines,

00:42:50 ◼   ► they were bingo machines that looked like slot machines,

00:42:52 ◼   ► because of weird laws.

00:42:54 ◼   ► And so I got to see like the real spin and the display work

00:42:58 ◼   ► when my code worked and so on and so forth.

00:43:00 ◼   ► And so that was really exciting.

00:43:02 ◼   ► And then I vividly remember the first time

00:43:03 ◼   ► I ran fast text on my iPhone

00:43:06 ◼   ► and saw my software like on this device.

00:43:08 ◼   ► And it was just mind blowing.

00:43:10 ◼   ► I don't know Marco,

00:43:11 ◼   ► if you remember the first time you had,

00:43:12 ◼   ► Instapaper on your device,

00:43:13 ◼   ► but for me it was incredible.

00:43:16 ◼   ► And so this now I'm interfacing with like real world things

00:43:20 ◼   ► like sensors and lights and yeah, it's dumb,

00:43:22 ◼   ► but it's so cool.

00:43:24 ◼   ► It's so cool being able to see this

00:43:25 ◼   ► like actually happening in the real world.

00:43:29 ◼   ► And it's so much fun and such a silly waste of time

00:43:33 ◼   ► that I have enjoyed every second of.

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00:45:34 ◼   ► - I don't need to spend money on WWDC.

00:45:41 ◼   ► So I actually have like three or $4,000 to spend, right?

00:45:45 ◼   ► That's how it works.

00:45:46 ◼   ► - So which of the new laptops are you gonna buy

00:45:47 ◼   ► or have you already bought?

00:45:49 ◼   ► - No, I'm not buying anything right now.

00:45:51 ◼   ► Not because I don't want to, but because I shouldn't.

00:45:53 ◼   ► - 'Cause you're not going anywhere?

00:45:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause I'm not going anywhere.

00:45:56 ◼   ► I actually said to Aaron earlier, today or yesterday,

00:45:59 ◼   ► I said to her, I really want to buy like a 2000

00:46:02 ◼   ► or $3,000 laptop to go to the grocery stores

00:46:05 ◼   ► I'm not going to and do work that I'm not doing there.

00:46:07 ◼   ► - Right.

00:46:09 ◼   ► - But before we talk about that, let's talk about WWDC.

00:46:11 ◼   ► There has been a date announced.

00:46:13 ◼   ► It is selfishly inconvenient because I'm supposed

00:46:15 ◼   ► to hypothetically be on vacation that week.

00:46:17 ◼   ► As it turns out, I'm sure I won't be on vacation that week

00:46:19 ◼   ► because of coronavirus, but nevertheless,

00:46:22 ◼   ► Apple is hosting their Worldwide Developer Conference

00:46:24 ◼   ► beginning June 22nd.

00:46:25 ◼   ► So it stands to reason that on the 22nd

00:46:28 ◼   ► will be the keynote and then the rest of it

00:46:31 ◼   ► will be all virtual, including apparently labs,

00:46:34 ◼   ► which I'm really, really curious how that's gonna work.

00:46:37 ◼   ► But we have a date and it's June 22nd.

00:46:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, most of the information in the announcement

00:46:43 ◼   ► is not especially new, with the exception

00:46:46 ◼   ► of there's a whole bunch of stuff about how the student

00:46:49 ◼   ► things will work, there's a whole bunch of like new

00:46:51 ◼   ► student things they're doing and apparently the only way

00:46:54 ◼   ► you can get a WWDC 2020 jacket is by winning

00:46:58 ◼   ► one of the student things that you can do.

00:47:00 ◼   ► But for non-students, for kind of the rest of us,

00:47:04 ◼   ► the only real news here that we didn't already know

00:47:08 ◼   ► is the dates and they did mention labs existing

00:47:12 ◼   ► and they said that it was free.

00:47:14 ◼   ► We still don't know, I think the big question is like,

00:47:16 ◼   ► how are the labs going to work exactly?

00:47:20 ◼   ► That's a pretty big question, but ultimately, this is good.

00:47:23 ◼   ► I'm glad to see them laying out a little bit more,

00:47:26 ◼   ► trickling out information as they are ready to,

00:47:29 ◼   ► this is good and for now, this is kind of all we need

00:47:31 ◼   ► to know anyway, I mean, no one needs to make travel plans.

00:47:35 ◼   ► All we know now is like, all right, set aside some time

00:47:37 ◼   ► during the week of June 22nd because you're gonna

00:47:39 ◼   ► probably wanna do some of the sessions or however

00:47:43 ◼   ► the labs work, it's probably gonna be time-based,

00:47:45 ◼   ► so somehow get to some of those labs, who knows?

00:47:48 ◼   ► But again, glad to see, we're making progress,

00:47:52 ◼   ► we're getting towards this thing and it seems like

00:47:55 ◼   ► they're heads on right, I think it would have been weird

00:47:57 ◼   ► if they were like, all right, online W2C, $500,

00:48:01 ◼   ► that would have been strange, so the pricing seems right

00:48:04 ◼   ► of being free, the focus on a lot of student stuff

00:48:06 ◼   ► is fairly typical, they seem to be amping it up

00:48:10 ◼   ► a little bit every year and that's very good

00:48:12 ◼   ► and yeah, otherwise, it all looks good.

00:48:14 ◼   ► We'll see how it goes.

00:48:16 ◼   ► - Is it just me or did they not give an end date?

00:48:19 ◼   ► We're all just assuming it's a week as normal,

00:48:21 ◼   ► but they didn't say that anywhere, did they?

00:48:23 ◼   ► - I don't think so and keep in mind, this is so new,

00:48:28 ◼   ► there are so many assumptions that we have

00:48:30 ◼   ► and that they might have based on how it's always been done

00:48:33 ◼   ► that we can break and one of those assumptions,

00:48:36 ◼   ► why does it have to be a week?

00:48:38 ◼   ► It can be three days or it can be all summer, who cares?

00:48:41 ◼   ► It doesn't really need to have a certain ending date,

00:48:44 ◼   ► the only thing that really needs to end is at some point,

00:48:47 ◼   ► the people doing it at Apple have to get back

00:48:49 ◼   ► to the rest of their jobs, but it doesn't mean

00:48:51 ◼   ► it can't be nine days or four days.

00:48:55 ◼   ► It could be anything within a certain reasonable range

00:48:58 ◼   ► and it would be fine and of course,

00:49:01 ◼   ► the sessions air at certain times or are on at certain times

00:49:05 ◼   ► or get released at certain times,

00:49:06 ◼   ► but the sessions are then available forever.

00:49:08 ◼   ► You can go online now and look back up to

00:49:12 ◼   ► probably at least three or four years ago

00:49:13 ◼   ► and they started putting all of them online.

00:49:15 ◼   ► You can go back and get previous year session videos,

00:49:18 ◼   ► you can search the transcripts,

00:49:19 ◼   ► you can look at sample code from previous years,

00:49:20 ◼   ► so these things have long lifetimes.

00:49:23 ◼   ► So the only question is when are these sessions released?

00:49:26 ◼   ► And because they no longer have this travel-oriented

00:49:30 ◼   ► in-person event, if they can't release everything

00:49:34 ◼   ► they want to release in five days, they don't have to.

00:49:37 ◼   ► They can take a little bit longer,

00:49:38 ◼   ► they can release it over a few weeks if they want to.

00:49:40 ◼   ► If some API is not ready yet,

00:49:42 ◼   ► they can wait till it is ready.

00:49:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, they've been doing that lately anyway

00:49:45 ◼   ► where they would make these little mini presentations

00:49:48 ◼   ► when they'd have technology announcements

00:49:49 ◼   ► that were miniature WWDC sessions for the past several years.

00:49:53 ◼   ► I mean, those tend to be shorter,

00:49:55 ◼   ► but still that's a format they seem to like.

00:49:57 ◼   ► The marketing for this one is a bunch of memogees

00:50:01 ◼   ► behind laptops, I guess,

00:50:07 ◼   ► inside of a dark background

00:50:08 ◼   ► with being lit by the screen, I suppose.

00:50:10 ◼   ► And it's interesting because it lets them advertise

00:50:15 ◼   ► their memogee thing, but I feel like

00:50:18 ◼   ► where they have the people peeking out

00:50:19 ◼   ► from behind their screen and you can only see their eyes,

00:50:23 ◼   ► there's something strange about that.

00:50:24 ◼   ► It's like, it's not menacing exactly,

00:50:27 ◼   ► but it's kind of, I mean, maybe it's a coronavirus thing

00:50:29 ◼   ► where you can, you know,

00:50:30 ◼   ► the mask is covering their nose and mouth

00:50:32 ◼   ► and you can just see the eyes peeking out.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I like it much better when you can see their whole face,

00:50:35 ◼   ► like their smiling person or whatever,

00:50:37 ◼   ► the guy with the gap in his tooth,

00:50:39 ◼   ► or the missing tooth or whatever.

00:50:41 ◼   ► That looks fun and happy,

00:50:43 ◼   ► but I'm not quite sure why they're in the dark.

00:50:44 ◼   ► I mean, I guess it's just saying

00:50:45 ◼   ► like developers toil away in the dark.

00:50:47 ◼   ► Do you remember a couple years ago

00:50:49 ◼   ► that Apple had that video that was kind of like

00:50:51 ◼   ► playing all the stereotypes that all developers

00:50:53 ◼   ► are terrible antisocial troglodytes?

00:50:57 ◼   ► That was not a good one.

00:50:58 ◼   ► - That is an unfortunate stereotype to be, you know,

00:51:01 ◼   ► emphasizing even further here.

00:51:03 ◼   ► On the other hand, it is largely true.

00:51:05 ◼   ► - I mean, I don't think they're emphasizing that.

00:51:08 ◼   ► It just reminded me of it,

00:51:09 ◼   ► but I do think that someone made a choice

00:51:11 ◼   ► to not show the whole faces of a bunch of people

00:51:13 ◼   ► and have them peeking out from behind the monitor,

00:51:15 ◼   ► which is kind of cool, but also, I don't know,

00:51:19 ◼   ► a little bit, it seems a little bit strange to me.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I do like the fact that a lot of the media they have

00:51:25 ◼   ► randomizes the emoji you get.

00:51:27 ◼   ► You know, Apple's been a fan of doing that.

00:51:29 ◼   ► It's like three people, and which three people do you get?

00:51:31 ◼   ► Like they have a set of, I don't know, 20 or something,

00:51:33 ◼   ► and they're all different, and they're all really cool.

00:51:35 ◼   ► Like whoever did like the character design on them,

00:51:37 ◼   ► they have variety of hair colors and glasses

00:51:41 ◼   ► and you know, skin colors and hats and hairstyles

00:51:44 ◼   ► and all sorts of cool stuff, so it's fun in that way.

00:51:47 ◼   ► And people have stickers on the back of their laptops,

00:51:49 ◼   ► but then some people don't have stickers

00:51:50 ◼   ► on the back of their laptops.

00:51:52 ◼   ► So you can choose who you would, you know,

00:51:54 ◼   ► what kind of person you'll get along with.

00:51:56 ◼   ► - Should I become a hat person?

00:51:58 ◼   ► You think I could pull that off?

00:51:58 ◼   ► - You were a hat person, and then, you know,

00:52:01 ◼   ► they got ruined for you, and did you get a blue one?

00:52:05 ◼   ► Or something?

00:52:05 ◼   ► - I forget, I think I lost it.

00:52:07 ◼   ► I gotta make a new one for the summer.

00:52:08 ◼   ► - You're a hat person by default

00:52:10 ◼   ► to keep from getting sunburn on your head, right?

00:52:12 ◼   ► - No, but I don't mean like a baseball hat.

00:52:13 ◼   ► I mean like a fashion hat.

00:52:14 ◼   ► Like it seems like one of the options now

00:52:17 ◼   ► for personal fashion is you could just be like a hat person.

00:52:20 ◼   ► You could be like a cool hat person and wear a cool hat.

00:52:22 ◼   ► - A lot of danger in that, 'cause a lot of the hats

00:52:24 ◼   ► have pre, have existing associations.

00:52:27 ◼   ► Like for example, you probably wouldn't wanna get a fedora.

00:52:30 ◼   ► - Well, why not?

00:52:31 ◼   ► - Just trust me.

00:52:33 ◼   ► - See, I don't know anything about hat fashion,

00:52:35 ◼   ► so I don't even know like why is that bad.

00:52:37 ◼   ► I have no clue.

00:52:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, same.

00:52:39 ◼   ► - You could tip your hat and say, "M'lady, just don't."

00:52:41 ◼   ► - I wouldn't do that.

00:52:43 ◼   ► - God, just be glad you don't know.

00:52:45 ◼   ► Trust me when I tell you that certain hats

00:52:47 ◼   ► have pre-existing associations.

00:52:49 ◼   ► - The cowboy hat, can I pull off a cowboy hat?

00:52:51 ◼   ► No.

00:52:52 ◼   ► - You absolutely could pull off a cowboy hat.

00:52:53 ◼   ► - Especially in the suburbs of New York.

00:52:55 ◼   ► That would go over well. - No, you absolutely can.

00:52:58 ◼   ► A cowboy hat would fit you perfectly.

00:53:00 ◼   ► I could totally see that.

00:53:02 ◼   ► - You seem to know a lot about hat fashion.

00:53:03 ◼   ► What kind of hat do you think you could pull off?

00:53:05 ◼   ► - I think I could do like the big straw,

00:53:11 ◼   ► the big droopy straw hat.

00:53:13 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - I would like to see that.

00:53:15 ◼   ► - Huckleberry Finn, or like,

00:53:17 ◼   ► I don't know what character I'm thinking of,

00:53:18 ◼   ► but just kind of like a big stalk of wheat

00:53:19 ◼   ► coming out of my mouth, and the big floppy straw hat.

00:53:23 ◼   ► I think I could pull that off.

00:53:24 ◼   ► - And then what would Casey be wearing?

00:53:26 ◼   ► Not what he would choose, what would look good on him?

00:53:28 ◼   ► - I think, I don't know.

00:53:31 ◼   ► I just keep saying Casey and a dorky baseball hat.

00:53:33 ◼   ► I don't know, sorry Casey.

00:53:35 ◼   ► - That actually is like the perfect answer.

00:53:37 ◼   ► - It is, I was saying.

00:53:39 ◼   ► - What's the Kraft macaroni and cheese of hats?

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Oh, come on.

00:53:43 ◼   ► First of all, it's Velveeta, you jerk.

00:53:45 ◼   ► Secondly, you know, I am not kidding.

00:53:48 ◼   ► I long to get to the point that I can pull off a flat cap.

00:53:53 ◼   ► You know what that is?

00:53:54 ◼   ► Where it's like, I think that's what it's called, right?

00:53:55 ◼   ► Like Todd Vaziri can pull this off so well,

00:53:57 ◼   ► and it makes me so angry.

00:53:58 ◼   ► - I'm doing an image search.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Oh, this?

00:54:00 ◼   ► I think you're too tall for these.

00:54:02 ◼   ► - Maybe, I don't know.

00:54:03 ◼   ► But it's like, it comes up just a little bit in the back,

00:54:05 ◼   ► and then kind of like falls down to like,

00:54:07 ◼   ► being like a wedge in the front.

00:54:09 ◼   ► - It's like a MacBook Air shaped hat.

00:54:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:54:12 ◼   ► I want to be able to do this so badly,

00:54:14 ◼   ► and I know I can't right now,

00:54:15 ◼   ► but I'm hopeful when I get old, I'll be able to pull it off.

00:54:18 ◼   ► - No, no.

00:54:20 ◼   ► - Please dad.

00:54:20 ◼   ► - You have to get like a foot shorter

00:54:21 ◼   ► and way fatter to pull this off, Casey.

00:54:23 ◼   ► - Why do you have to be short?

00:54:24 ◼   ► - I'm saying one doesn't have to be short,

00:54:27 ◼   ► but you to pull this hat off

00:54:28 ◼   ► would have to be way shorter and fatter.

00:54:30 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:54:32 ◼   ► - I just want to be able to wear it, come on.

00:54:34 ◼   ► - No, sorry.

00:54:35 ◼   ► I didn't make your head shape.

00:54:37 ◼   ► This is what it is.

00:54:38 ◼   ► - Makes me so sad.

00:54:40 ◼   ► It makes me so sad.

00:54:42 ◼   ► - All right, now if I were to get a fedora,

00:54:43 ◼   ► as Jon suggests.

00:54:44 ◼   ► - No, I did not suggest.

00:54:46 ◼   ► - Oh, I was gonna say,

00:54:47 ◼   ► do I get a red one for the Linux reference?

00:54:49 ◼   ► Or is that too like Michael Jackson?

00:54:50 ◼   ► - No, no.

00:54:51 ◼   ► I was telling you to get a cowboy hat.

00:54:53 ◼   ► - Oh, that's right.

00:54:54 ◼   ► Okay, cowboy hat, all right.

00:54:56 ◼   ► - Can we please discuss why a fedora's bad?

00:54:58 ◼   ► I'm really curious now.

00:54:58 ◼   ► - I'm looking up image churches for all these things.

00:55:00 ◼   ► Now, do I curl up the edges on the cowboy hat

00:55:03 ◼   ► like some people do, or do I leave it flat?

00:55:05 ◼   ► - There's so much variety in cowboy hats.

00:55:07 ◼   ► I don't know all the different variety,

00:55:08 ◼   ► but I do know that some of them have one curl,

00:55:10 ◼   ► some of them have two curls,

00:55:11 ◼   ► some of them have no curls of different degrees,

00:55:12 ◼   ► and I think you would just pick whichever one works for you.

00:55:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, it does seem like the world of cowboy hats

00:55:19 ◼   ► is quite fast.

00:55:20 ◼   ► - I still think when I'm like 60 or 70,

00:55:23 ◼   ► I can do a flat cap.

00:55:24 ◼   ► I'm telling you, I'm holding out hope.

00:55:25 ◼   ► I'm holding out hope.

00:55:27 ◼   ► - Start gaining that weight.

00:55:28 ◼   ► - And shrinking.

00:55:29 ◼   ► - That'll happen naturally though.

00:55:32 ◼   ► - That much though?

00:55:33 ◼   ► - No, osteoporosis.

00:55:35 ◼   ► I believe in him.

00:55:35 ◼   ► - He's pretty tall.

00:55:36 ◼   ► He's got all sorts of genetic ailments though.

00:55:39 ◼   ► - I'm not that, wait, what are my genetic ailments?

00:55:41 ◼   ► - Your eyes, right?

00:55:42 ◼   ► - Oh, well, yeah, okay.

00:55:43 ◼   ► - That doesn't make you shorter.

00:55:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, and it doesn't make me shorter.

00:55:47 ◼   ► - I'm just saying, there could be other ones.

00:55:50 ◼   ► We don't know.

00:55:51 ◼   ► - Let's talk about something happier, except not.

00:55:54 ◼   ► There's a new 13-inch MacBook Pro, which is happy.

00:55:57 ◼   ► - This is amazing.

00:55:58 ◼   ► The butterfly keyboard is dead.

00:56:00 ◼   ► We won.

00:56:01 ◼   ► That's it.

00:56:02 ◼   ► - It's as dead as you want it to be.

00:56:04 ◼   ► - Well, yeah, I mean, obviously there's still

00:56:06 ◼   ► a whole bunch of them still on the channel

00:56:07 ◼   ► and still in people's homes and still owned

00:56:08 ◼   ► by people that'll be in use for years.

00:56:10 ◼   ► - And still on the iPad keyboard you like.

00:56:13 ◼   ► - That's true, yeah, and still on the one keyboard cover

00:56:15 ◼   ► that I like.

00:56:16 ◼   ► - So it's exactly as dead as you wanted it to be.

00:56:18 ◼   ► - Exactly, the butterfly keyboard is gone

00:56:21 ◼   ► from the entire Mac lineup.

00:56:22 ◼   ► I am so, so happy.

00:56:25 ◼   ► Finally, one of our long national nightmares is over.

00:56:28 ◼   ► We will probably never know why it took so long

00:56:35 ◼   ► for them to fix this problem, but it's now fixed

00:56:39 ◼   ► and I could not be happier.

00:56:41 ◼   ► The new keyboards that we have, the magic keyboards

00:56:44 ◼   ► in the laptops, they are totally fine.

00:56:47 ◼   ► They're not amazing, they're just fine

00:56:49 ◼   ► the way laptop keyboards should be.

00:56:51 ◼   ► They are unmemorable, you will start typing on it

00:56:53 ◼   ► and you will forget about your keyboard.

00:56:55 ◼   ► You won't have to think about it.

00:56:56 ◼   ► You won't have to baby it.

00:56:57 ◼   ► You won't have to be afraid of getting a tiny speck

00:56:59 ◼   ► of dust in it once.

00:57:01 ◼   ► Your keys will work reliably all the time

00:57:04 ◼   ► and it's amazing.

00:57:05 ◼   ► It's the way it used to be.

00:57:07 ◼   ► It's like if your house caught fire once a week,

00:57:11 ◼   ► that would become pretty annoying and you would think,

00:57:15 ◼   ► I can't think about anything else

00:57:17 ◼   ► because it keeps catching fire

00:57:18 ◼   ► and I have to deal with that, right?

00:57:20 ◼   ► This is like your house was catching fire once a week

00:57:22 ◼   ► for the last four years if you had an Apple laptop

00:57:24 ◼   ► and now finally you can buy one that doesn't.

00:57:27 ◼   ► It doesn't need to be an amazing house.

00:57:29 ◼   ► When you're used to one that catches on fire once a week,

00:57:31 ◼   ► if you have one that doesn't, that's great.

00:57:34 ◼   ► It's a huge upgrade in quality of life

00:57:36 ◼   ► and that's what these keyboards are.

00:57:38 ◼   ► They're not amazing, ridiculous, awesome keyboards.

00:57:42 ◼   ► They're totally fine keyboards

00:57:43 ◼   ► and we're coming from a place that was so far

00:57:45 ◼   ► from totally fine for so many people

00:57:47 ◼   ► that that's a massive improvement.

00:57:48 ◼   ► So I'm happy that now the laptops are finally

00:57:52 ◼   ► with a couple of minor nitpicks here and there

00:57:55 ◼   ► as I will always have.

00:57:56 ◼   ► For the most part, laptops are in a very good spot

00:57:59 ◼   ► and I would say the entire Mac lineup

00:58:04 ◼   ► for the first time in a long time, possibly 2012,

00:58:09 ◼   ► I'd say the entire Mac lineup

00:58:12 ◼   ► is in a pretty good spot right now.

00:58:14 ◼   ► The best spot it's been in a long time.

00:58:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's true, especially since those models

00:58:19 ◼   ► that like never get updates have been updated recently-ish

00:58:23 ◼   ► within the last year or two

00:58:25 ◼   ► and that's pretty much the best you can hope for.

00:58:27 ◼   ► The ones that are frequently updated were just updated

00:58:29 ◼   ► and the ones that haven't been updated in ages

00:58:32 ◼   ► were kind of updated semi-real.

00:58:33 ◼   ► I mean, maybe the iMac Pro is the one spot

00:58:36 ◼   ► that you could quibble about,

00:58:37 ◼   ► but otherwise there are really no more Macs

00:58:40 ◼   ► that if someone wanted to buy them,

00:58:42 ◼   ► you would have to swoop in and explain some sort of caveats

00:58:45 ◼   ► that they may not be aware of.

00:58:46 ◼   ► All of them, it's a balance of price and performance

00:58:49 ◼   ► and it depends on what you want and yada yada,

00:58:51 ◼   ► but they're all basically good computers,

00:58:52 ◼   ► even the really old iMac Pro.

00:58:55 ◼   ► Even the iMac Pro, it's a Xeon.

00:58:57 ◼   ► It's a Xeon workstation lineup product

00:59:00 ◼   ► and those always have 18 to 24 month update cycles.

00:59:05 ◼   ► So we're near the end of that,

00:59:07 ◼   ► but we're not like, it's not egregious.

00:59:09 ◼   ► It's not super outdated to the point where it's embarrassing.

00:59:12 ◼   ► If you had to go out and buy an iMac Pro today, it's fine.

00:59:15 ◼   ► You're not gonna feel like a total idiot doing that

00:59:17 ◼   ► and you're not getting a terrible deal

00:59:19 ◼   ► doing that necessarily.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Even the Mac Mini, the Mac Mini is usually neglected

00:59:23 ◼   ► horribly and has been for much of its life

00:59:27 ◼   ► or its entire life, but even the Mac Mini

00:59:29 ◼   ► is only a couple years old.

00:59:30 ◼   ► I just bought one.

00:59:30 ◼   ► I feel fine with that.

00:59:31 ◼   ► I don't feel like I got ripped off like I needed one.

00:59:33 ◼   ► I bought one.

00:59:34 ◼   ► - I feel like you got ripped off more than usual

00:59:36 ◼   ► with the Mac Mini.

00:59:37 ◼   ► - Right, yes, more, yes.

00:59:38 ◼   ► I don't feel like I got ripped off

00:59:40 ◼   ► because of the product's age.

00:59:41 ◼   ► Obviously, it's always ripped off in other ways,

00:59:43 ◼   ► but even the value argument,

00:59:47 ◼   ► they've had some pretty bad times for value

00:59:51 ◼   ► in the Tim Cook era.

00:59:52 ◼   ► It has seemed like you're just paying more

00:59:54 ◼   ► and getting less in so many ways so much of the time,

00:59:58 ◼   ► but they've made a couple of corrections

01:00:01 ◼   ► in the past year or so.

01:00:02 ◼   ► Even though the high end is still very expensive, John,

01:00:05 ◼   ► there's now significantly improved value

01:00:09 ◼   ► at the low end for most product lines,

01:00:10 ◼   ► and that's true of the Macs too.

01:00:11 ◼   ► The MacBook Air got significantly better value

01:00:14 ◼   ► with its revision.

01:00:15 ◼   ► The Mac Mini, obviously, not incredibly good.

01:00:18 ◼   ► You do get more storage now for your money,

01:00:21 ◼   ► which the storage prices are still nowhere near

01:00:24 ◼   ► like what you can go on Amazon and buy an SSD for,

01:00:26 ◼   ► but it's better than it was.

01:00:29 ◼   ► A lot of the complaints about the new 13-inch update

01:00:34 ◼   ► that came out this week focus on the formerly escape models

01:00:39 ◼   ► of it, which are still around and kind of didn't get updated.

01:00:43 ◼   ► They only got the new keyboard,

01:00:44 ◼   ► and I don't think much else.

01:00:46 ◼   ► They have, it's the two port versions

01:00:48 ◼   ► of the 13-inch MacBook Pro,

01:00:49 ◼   ► and a lot of people are like,

01:00:50 ◼   ► "Well, to get one that's good,

01:00:52 ◼   ► "you have to get this four port expensive one,"

01:00:54 ◼   ► and that's true, that's always been true for the 13-inch.

01:00:58 ◼   ► To get a good 13-inch, you're always paying around $2,000

01:01:02 ◼   ► for a decent 13-inch configuration.

01:01:04 ◼   ► I specced up, I went on earlier to see

01:01:07 ◼   ► how good of a value these things are.

01:01:08 ◼   ► If I was buying a MacBook Air,

01:01:10 ◼   ► I would get the fastest processor,

01:01:12 ◼   ► 'cause it's a pretty slow computer,

01:01:13 ◼   ► so I'd get the fastest processor,

01:01:15 ◼   ► 16 gigs of RAM, one terabyte storage.

01:01:18 ◼   ► That is 1,850.

01:01:19 ◼   ► The 13-inch MacBook Pro, I5 2.0 CPU,

01:01:23 ◼   ► 16 gig, one terabyte, four port model, 2,000 bucks, $150 more,

01:01:28 ◼   ► and it's significantly faster, it has twice the ports,

01:01:32 ◼   ► it has the much brighter Pro screen,

01:01:35 ◼   ► the Air screen is kind of dim.

01:01:36 ◼   ► That's a significantly better computer for 150 bucks

01:01:38 ◼   ► with otherwise pretty comparable specs.

01:01:40 ◼   ► So we're not talking about super cheap computers

01:01:43 ◼   ► in any case, but they haven't been,

01:01:46 ◼   ► that is not new here.

01:01:48 ◼   ► So the value argument,

01:01:50 ◼   ► if you're looking at a 13-inch MacBook Pro,

01:01:51 ◼   ► it's probably not gonna be a good value

01:01:53 ◼   ► no matter what you do.

01:01:54 ◼   ► If you want a good value in the Mac lineup,

01:01:55 ◼   ► it's the Air or the base model 16-inch.

01:01:58 ◼   ► Otherwise, I think they've done a really good job here.

01:02:01 ◼   ► You could argue whether the two-port 13-inch models

01:02:05 ◼   ► should even still exist,

01:02:07 ◼   ► and I think they only pretty much suggest

01:02:09 ◼   ► to hit price points,

01:02:10 ◼   ► otherwise go for the four-port one if you can.

01:02:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, as you know,

01:02:14 ◼   ► the reason people are complaining about

01:02:15 ◼   ► the lower-end 13-inch,

01:02:17 ◼   ► which, by the way, Jason Snell pointed out in Slack

01:02:19 ◼   ► while we were recording,

01:02:19 ◼   ► he was musing about the continued absurdity

01:02:23 ◼   ► that Apple sells two computers,

01:02:24 ◼   ► both called the 13-inch MacBook Pro,

01:02:27 ◼   ► that aren't really the same computer

01:02:29 ◼   ► other than more or less being in the same case, right?

01:02:32 ◼   ► They've always used different chips

01:02:34 ◼   ► and had different performance trade-offs

01:02:35 ◼   ► and different prices,

01:02:36 ◼   ► and one of them used to not have a touch bar,

01:02:38 ◼   ► and it's always been kind of weird.

01:02:39 ◼   ► And so here we are again in the same spot

01:02:41 ◼   ► where we've got this bifurcation in the 13-inch line

01:02:45 ◼   ► that is definitely not obvious from a consumer perspective

01:02:48 ◼   ► unless you actually look at the specs

01:02:49 ◼   ► and understand more about it.

01:02:51 ◼   ► And in this particular case,

01:02:52 ◼   ► they upgraded the high-end one to be what everybody wanted,

01:02:56 ◼   ► and they upgraded the low-end one,

01:02:57 ◼   ► yes, they fixed the keyboard,

01:02:58 ◼   ► but they didn't really change much else about that.

01:03:01 ◼   ► It's weird that they didn't upgrade the CPU,

01:03:06 ◼   ► the internals, essentially, of the lower-end 13-inch,

01:03:10 ◼   ► and that's making people scratch their head

01:03:13 ◼   ► a little bit about it.

01:03:14 ◼   ► You don't want to feel like you're getting,

01:03:15 ◼   ► Apple always does it with Intel's terminology

01:03:17 ◼   ► of eighth-gen, 10th-gen processor, right?

01:03:19 ◼   ► It's not a 10-animator processor,

01:03:21 ◼   ► but the 10th-gen one is,

01:03:23 ◼   ► and it's the same one that it had before,

01:03:24 ◼   ► and yes, you get double the storage,

01:03:26 ◼   ► and yes, you get the good keyboard,

01:03:27 ◼   ► and so on and so forth,

01:03:28 ◼   ► but it's the one you look at kind of as an ugly duckling,

01:03:31 ◼   ► and arguably, the escape was also

01:03:32 ◼   ► always kind of an ugly duckling

01:03:33 ◼   ► unless you really loved that escape key,

01:03:35 ◼   ► in which case, right?

01:03:37 ◼   ► And so the comparison that I've been thinking about

01:03:40 ◼   ► and a lot of people are thinking about is,

01:03:42 ◼   ► and you just did it yourself, comparing,

01:03:44 ◼   ► all right, so how do I choose between an Air

01:03:48 ◼   ► and the low-end 13,

01:03:49 ◼   ► because they're sort of in each other's space, right?

01:03:51 ◼   ► You know, there's the obvious physical differences.

01:03:54 ◼   ► You can look at them and see

01:03:54 ◼   ► what the physical differences are,

01:03:55 ◼   ► and Rene Ritchie and his new YouTube channel,

01:03:59 ◼   ► which you should check out, enumerated,

01:04:01 ◼   ► I think, basically, all the changes,

01:04:03 ◼   ► the significant differences between the MacBook Air

01:04:06 ◼   ► and the low-end 13.

01:04:08 ◼   ► The low-end 13 is 0.3 pounds heavier.

01:04:11 ◼   ► Display is 20% brighter, and it's P3.

01:04:14 ◼   ► It's got a better speaker and microphone setup than the Air.

01:04:18 ◼   ► The MacBook Air has the 10th Gen processor,

01:04:22 ◼   ► but the 13-inch does not.

01:04:23 ◼   ► It has 8th Gen.

01:04:24 ◼   ► The 13-inch has a worse GPU,

01:04:28 ◼   ► and it can't drive the Pro Display XDR,

01:04:31 ◼   ► but the MacBook Air can,

01:04:32 ◼   ► which is, again, something you wouldn't expect.

01:04:34 ◼   ► Like, wait a second, the cheaper non-pro model

01:04:37 ◼   ► can drive the Pro Display XDR,

01:04:39 ◼   ► but the supposed 13-inch MacBook Pro can't.

01:04:42 ◼   ► It's because it's the older GPU

01:04:43 ◼   ► and older chipset and everything.

01:04:45 ◼   ► - Wait, is anybody driving a Pro Display XDR

01:04:47 ◼   ► with a MacBook Air?

01:04:49 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:04:50 ◼   ► I'm just saying, like, this is a spec difference.

01:04:51 ◼   ► If it's a spec difference,

01:04:52 ◼   ► the worse GPU people do care about,

01:04:54 ◼   ► 'cause it's not, like, worse by a little bit.

01:04:55 ◼   ► Like, if you do anything involving the GPU,

01:04:57 ◼   ► which maybe you do, you're doing, you know,

01:04:59 ◼   ► but then the XDR is just a side effect

01:05:01 ◼   ► of having an older GPU

01:05:02 ◼   ► that doesn't have display-stream compression.

01:05:04 ◼   ► One hour less battery life on the 13-inch,

01:05:07 ◼   ► and of course, 13-inch has a touch bar,

01:05:08 ◼   ► which again, like, the escape key is like,

01:05:10 ◼   ► well, is that a plus or a minus, right?

01:05:11 ◼   ► So there are differences, but the differences, like,

01:05:15 ◼   ► aside from the display stuff and the speaker and mic,

01:05:18 ◼   ► everything really is in favor of the Air,

01:05:21 ◼   ► because the Air's newer.

01:05:22 ◼   ► Like, the Air's got the new stuff.

01:05:23 ◼   ► The Air's got the new GPU and CPU.

01:05:24 ◼   ► The Air, you know, uses less power, presumably,

01:05:27 ◼   ► with the new GPU and CPU.

01:05:29 ◼   ► The Air has display-stream compression, right?

01:05:31 ◼   ► All those things makes that low-end 13-inch

01:05:34 ◼   ► look like kind of ugly talking.

01:05:35 ◼   ► But that said, you know,

01:05:38 ◼   ► you can look at these differences

01:05:39 ◼   ► and make the decision that you want about it.

01:05:40 ◼   ► The point is, if you look at these trade-offs and say,

01:05:44 ◼   ► actually, I do want the Pro,

01:05:45 ◼   ► because it has these advantages, you know,

01:05:47 ◼   ► it has better cooling,

01:05:48 ◼   ► or the 8th Gen processor runs the app that I want

01:05:51 ◼   ► better than the 10th Gen one because of thermal throttling,

01:05:54 ◼   ► whatever, you decide you want it.

01:05:56 ◼   ► It's a perfectly good computer,

01:05:58 ◼   ► because now the keyboard is fine again, right?

01:06:00 ◼   ► And it's just, you can actually pick products

01:06:01 ◼   ► based on the specs

01:06:03 ◼   ► and not have to have any of these weird conversations about,

01:06:05 ◼   ► with the exception of maybe having a conversation

01:06:07 ◼   ► about the touch bar,

01:06:08 ◼   ► there's no more sort of like caveats

01:06:11 ◼   ► that you're just desperate for everybody to know.

01:06:13 ◼   ► But I think the fact that this one hasn't been updated

01:06:16 ◼   ► still makes that 13-inch product

01:06:19 ◼   ► the sort of most treacherous for the casual consumer,

01:06:22 ◼   ► because there are differences, legitimate differences,

01:06:25 ◼   ► like, you know, sensible differences,

01:06:27 ◼   ► but that are not obvious by looking at them in the store,

01:06:29 ◼   ► 'cause they all just look the same, right?

01:06:31 ◼   ► So hopefully this weird low-end 13-inch

01:06:36 ◼   ► either goes away entirely, which I would love,

01:06:38 ◼   ► 'cause I don't want there to be a two-port computer

01:06:40 ◼   ► called Pro, but that's just me,

01:06:42 ◼   ► or eventually gets the internals updated

01:06:44 ◼   ► when new chips are available

01:06:46 ◼   ► that are not the exact same chips

01:06:48 ◼   ► that are in the high-end one.

01:06:49 ◼   ► - So if I were to buy something tomorrow, which I'm not,

01:06:52 ◼   ► what would I buy?

01:06:53 ◼   ► - You'd get the high-end one with all the goodies,

01:06:55 ◼   ► and you'd be happy, right?

01:06:57 ◼   ► 'Cause that's what you always wanted.

01:06:58 ◼   ► You wanted a 13-inch size computer that has all the things

01:07:00 ◼   ► and has all the ports and is fast and has a good keyboard,

01:07:02 ◼   ► and this is it.

01:07:03 ◼   ► A nanometer Intel processor, like, good GPU,

01:07:07 ◼   ► double the storage.

01:07:08 ◼   ► That's another thing that I did across this whole line

01:07:10 ◼   ► is the whole you get twice the storage for the same price,

01:07:12 ◼   ► which, again, their storage prices are so stupid,

01:07:14 ◼   ► but hey, it's good, right?

01:07:15 ◼   ► It improves the value.

01:07:17 ◼   ► It's everything you said you wanted for the past many years

01:07:21 ◼   ► when you were, you know, waffling over what to buy.

01:07:24 ◼   ► - Me, waffling?

01:07:25 ◼   ► No, surely not.

01:07:27 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I really want one really badly.

01:07:31 ◼   ► I don't wanna spend the money on one

01:07:32 ◼   ► at this particular moment, but I want one.

01:07:35 ◼   ► My adorable is just, it's old.

01:07:38 ◼   ► I love it, I still love it, but it's old, and it's slow,

01:07:41 ◼   ► and I want something faster and newer.

01:07:43 ◼   ► - I still love it, except that I've hated it

01:07:44 ◼   ► every moment of using it, but I love it.

01:07:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, well.

01:07:47 ◼   ► - I love it, it has all these problems, it's slow,

01:07:49 ◼   ► the keyboard breaks all the time, it's horrible,

01:07:51 ◼   ► and the one port is a huge pain in the butt,

01:07:52 ◼   ► but I love it, absolutely.

01:07:53 ◼   ► Have I told you how much I love it?

01:07:54 ◼   ► - When he's sitting on the couch reading Slack with it,

01:07:56 ◼   ► I'm sure it's great, it's an element.

01:07:58 ◼   ► - Reading, not writing.

01:08:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, I could type on it.

01:08:01 ◼   ► - Typing, I'm sure works fine, too.

01:08:02 ◼   ► Maybe he's not so much so great for Xcode.

01:08:05 ◼   ► - Well, typing is also difficult,

01:08:06 ◼   ► 'cause I'm getting double, I feel like I'm getting

01:08:08 ◼   ► double vowels all over the place.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - You know, I was thinking, when Marco was celebrating

01:08:13 ◼   ► the banishment of the butterfly keyboard

01:08:15 ◼   ► from Apple's laptop line, I was looking at my laptop

01:08:18 ◼   ► off to the side, and I was thinking, you know what?

01:08:20 ◼   ► I think I'm in the butterfly second honeymoon period,

01:08:24 ◼   ► or the second wind of the butterfly,

01:08:26 ◼   ► because remember, this is my work laptop,

01:08:27 ◼   ► and it was 2017, and I had the butterfly keyboard,

01:08:29 ◼   ► and eventually my space bar stopped working right,

01:08:33 ◼   ► and then I got it replaced on the repair extension program.

01:08:35 ◼   ► - It's only a small percentage of people, though.

01:08:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly, I'm one of the small percentage,

01:08:41 ◼   ► and when they replaced it, of course,

01:08:44 ◼   ► because this laptop is designed in a dumb way,

01:08:46 ◼   ► they also gave me a brand new battery,

01:08:48 ◼   ► and so after using this laptop for two years at work,

01:08:51 ◼   ► and really hurting the battery doing Webex meetings

01:08:54 ◼   ► with video, and having the fans spin up,

01:08:56 ◼   ► and just like, I got a brand new battery

01:08:58 ◼   ► two years into the life of this laptop for free,

01:09:01 ◼   ► and I only had to be without it for like a week,

01:09:04 ◼   ► and my keyboard works again, so I have a working keyboard,

01:09:07 ◼   ► and the battery, it's like new, 'cause it is new,

01:09:08 ◼   ► it had like three cycles on it when I got it,

01:09:10 ◼   ► so I'm actually, not that I'm glad

01:09:13 ◼   ► that I have a butterfly keyboard,

01:09:14 ◼   ► but if the butterfly keyboard didn't break,

01:09:16 ◼   ► my battery would be terrible by now.

01:09:18 ◼   ► - So if I were to buy one, which one would I get?

01:09:20 ◼   ► I would think either the two gigahertz,

01:09:24 ◼   ► the two gigahertz 512 or the two gigahertz terabyte,

01:09:26 ◼   ► 'cause I have 512 in my doorbell,

01:09:28 ◼   ► and I don't need it, but I don't wanna be in a position

01:09:32 ◼   ► where I'm like, uh-oh.

01:09:33 ◼   ► - I made the decision a couple years back

01:09:36 ◼   ► to just get one terabyte for my laptops,

01:09:38 ◼   ► 'cause I have a similar situation as you,

01:09:39 ◼   ► it's not my primary computer,

01:09:41 ◼   ► so I don't need like the biggest storage in the world,

01:09:44 ◼   ► 'cause I'm not keeping everything on it,

01:09:45 ◼   ► but it is nice to have a bunch of storage

01:09:48 ◼   ► for not only development stuff,

01:09:50 ◼   ► 'cause Xcode stuff is massive,

01:09:51 ◼   ► you always need tons of space for like the Xcode itself,

01:09:54 ◼   ► and the betas, and the SDKs, and everything else,

01:09:56 ◼   ► and then also, when you're going on a trip or something,

01:09:59 ◼   ► when we can eventually do that, do that again.

01:10:02 ◼   ► I know I like to bring a lot of downloaded video files.

01:10:05 ◼   ► Casey, I can only imagine what you bring with you.

01:10:08 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:10:09 ◼   ► I like having a terabyte, and most times,

01:10:12 ◼   ► I have approximately 300 gigs free, so like less than 500,

01:10:17 ◼   ► so I know that was generally the right move

01:10:19 ◼   ► to go to the terabyte.

01:10:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I think 32 gigs RAM, so that's 400 bucks.

01:10:24 ◼   ► Is it worth the $200 for the 300 megahertz

01:10:28 ◼   ► and the additional turbo boost?

01:10:30 ◼   ► - No, but I always pay it.

01:10:32 ◼   ► It's really not, most of the time,

01:10:35 ◼   ► but because when the increment is that small,

01:10:38 ◼   ► even though I know it will probably hurt my battery life,

01:10:40 ◼   ► I just pay it, 'cause I've been always looking for laptops

01:10:43 ◼   ► that's got a little bit more longevity,

01:10:44 ◼   ► 'cause they're the kind of computer

01:10:45 ◼   ► that feels slow before everybody else,

01:10:46 ◼   ► so I would do it.

01:10:48 ◼   ► There's not probably a good reason,

01:10:49 ◼   ► you probably shouldn't, but that's just me.

01:10:51 ◼   ► - I usually don't get the high RAM option on laptops,

01:10:54 ◼   ► like 16 is my RAM number for laptops,

01:10:57 ◼   ► even though I get high RAM on desktops,

01:10:59 ◼   ► because on the desktop, I leave this thing,

01:11:02 ◼   ► the uptime is very, very long,

01:11:04 ◼   ► and I'm leaving all sorts of huge things open all the time.

01:11:06 ◼   ► Like right now, I have numbers pages,

01:11:11 ◼   ► in addition to, I have Slack, Dash,

01:11:14 ◼   ► the documentation viewer, I sometimes podcast

01:11:17 ◼   ► with Xcode and a simulator running in open,

01:11:19 ◼   ► which I probably shouldn't, but that happens sometimes.

01:11:22 ◼   ► Forecast, iTunes, I have so many things open right now,

01:11:25 ◼   ► because it's my desktop and I do everything here.

01:11:27 ◼   ► On a laptop that I'm using as a secondary/travel workstation

01:11:31 ◼   ► I'm usually more focused on what I'm doing.

01:11:33 ◼   ► I'm not usually running everything all at once,

01:11:36 ◼   ► instead I'm just running Xcode and Mail and Safari

01:11:40 ◼   ► or whatever, as opposed to all sorts of different,

01:11:44 ◼   ► Logic and Photoshop all being open at the same time,

01:11:46 ◼   ► like I often do here.

01:11:47 ◼   ► So on laptops, I've been going 16 gig for years,

01:11:51 ◼   ► and it's been totally fine.

01:11:53 ◼   ► So $400 for 32 gigs to me is not worth it at all.

01:11:57 ◼   ► Now, for those of you out there who are getting this

01:11:59 ◼   ► as your primary computer, and you're like,

01:12:01 ◼   ► oh, I gotta run VMs or whatever,

01:12:02 ◼   ► okay, that's a different story.

01:12:03 ◼   ► But as a secondary/travel computer,

01:12:06 ◼   ► 32 gigs might not be necessary for most people.

01:12:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, I think there's like two modes

01:12:11 ◼   ► that you can use this computer in.

01:12:13 ◼   ► Like if one mode is going for maximum battery life,

01:12:17 ◼   ► which I suppose would be the travel case,

01:12:19 ◼   ► I would get the slower processor and 16 gigs,

01:12:20 ◼   ► but for all other cases, I would get the faster N32.

01:12:23 ◼   ► - And for the processor, there's also the,

01:12:26 ◼   ► I know this is super nerdy,

01:12:27 ◼   ► but my whole turbo boost religion,

01:12:29 ◼   ► for me, because I usually run my laptop

01:12:33 ◼   ► with turbo boost disabled, that changes the calculus

01:12:37 ◼   ► of like, well, do you want a high base clock?

01:12:41 ◼   ► Do you want high turbo boost?

01:12:42 ◼   ► It kinda changes that.

01:12:43 ◼   ► So usually I go for actually a lower base clock

01:12:47 ◼   ► because then I save even more battery power

01:12:50 ◼   ► when I'm not on turbo.

01:12:52 ◼   ► But that of course comes with a significant

01:12:53 ◼   ► performance hit as well.

01:12:55 ◼   ► So like on this, between the 2.0 and 2.3 high end CPUs,

01:13:00 ◼   ► I'd probably go 2.0, just because it would run very cool,

01:13:05 ◼   ► I'd maximize battery life, and if I really needed

01:13:07 ◼   ► to step it up for performance,

01:13:08 ◼   ► I would just turn turbo boost on,

01:13:10 ◼   ► and the difference between 3.8 and 4.1 is not very big.

01:13:14 ◼   ► - We gotta get you a hardware turbo button.

01:13:15 ◼   ► Maybe in case you can make-- - I'm just thinking

01:13:16 ◼   ► the same thing.

01:13:17 ◼   ► - You can make something with a Raspberry Pi

01:13:19 ◼   ► that you can tape to the back of your computer.

01:13:21 ◼   ► - I would love that.

01:13:22 ◼   ► - Use an authentic turbo button from PCA-T.

01:13:24 ◼   ► - Talk about, like, you know, the touch bar

01:13:26 ◼   ► is so frickin' useless.

01:13:27 ◼   ► That should be on the touch bar.

01:13:29 ◼   ► Or replace the touch bar with keys that make sense

01:13:32 ◼   ► for volume and brightness, and then a turbo button.

01:13:34 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:13:35 ◼   ► That would be amazing.

01:13:36 ◼   ► - Why don't you just get the model that has

01:13:38 ◼   ► four high speed cores and eight power efficient cores.

01:13:41 ◼   ► - Oh, man, see, this is why when we go ARM,

01:13:44 ◼   ► there's gonna be a lot of problems

01:13:45 ◼   ► that I think will just kind of disappear.

01:13:47 ◼   ► Speaking of turbos and other,

01:13:49 ◼   ► maybe this should have been in Fallout,

01:13:50 ◼   ► but I got some more suggestions for fan control apps,

01:13:53 ◼   ► and I got one of them that lets you manually

01:13:55 ◼   ► control the fan speed, even on my Mac Pro.

01:13:59 ◼   ► And I'm not sure if this is a limitation of the software,

01:14:03 ◼   ► or if it's a limitation of the computer,

01:14:04 ◼   ► but the reason I was all excited

01:14:06 ◼   ► to get the manual control on it is 'cause I was like,

01:14:08 ◼   ► now I can just, I can manually turn the fans

01:14:11 ◼   ► way, way, way down and just, like, look at the temperatures

01:14:13 ◼   ► and see if I'm about to fry my computer or whatever, right?

01:14:16 ◼   ► But this software did not let me turn any of the big three

01:14:19 ◼   ► fans below 500 RPM.

01:14:21 ◼   ► I'm like, but that's what they run at all the time.

01:14:22 ◼   ► And it's like, yeah, they're running at the slowest speed.

01:14:26 ◼   ► Someone from Apple should tell me,

01:14:27 ◼   ► can these fans spin at anything less than 500?

01:14:30 ◼   ► It seems like they can't.

01:14:32 ◼   ► So, which is kind of disappointing,

01:14:34 ◼   ► 'cause I was hoping they could spin at like 100 RPM

01:14:36 ◼   ► and it would be like almost silent.

01:14:38 ◼   ► But anyway, this software couldn't,

01:14:39 ◼   ► I forgot the name of it, it's, yeah.

01:14:43 ◼   ► - There's like SMC fan control and stuff like that.

01:14:45 ◼   ► TG Pro.

01:14:47 ◼   ► - I don't know the physics of it,

01:14:48 ◼   ► but like, you know, motors have a certain minimum speed

01:14:50 ◼   ► they can spin at.

01:14:51 ◼   ► I've never seen computer fans that,

01:14:55 ◼   ► like from Apple at least,

01:14:56 ◼   ► that idled below about 900 RPM.

01:15:00 ◼   ► So the fact that yours idle already at 500,

01:15:02 ◼   ► I don't think you're getting a lot better than that.

01:15:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, they're huge fans.

01:15:05 ◼   ► Like they're, you know, the size of a cantaloupe.

01:15:07 ◼   ► Like, it was understandable that they would be going slow.

01:15:09 ◼   ► I just, you know, I couldn't make them go any slower.