00:00:00 ◼ ► We're missing John. That's unusual. You think his Mac Pro finally died if you're being celebrated for ten years?
00:00:12 ◼ ► It's like see if it made it ten years, which it did like that's what you're waiting for, right?
00:00:24 ◼ ► Like it would be really tragic if it made it like nine and a half years, right? Or like if it made it like one week less than that.
00:00:41 ◼ ► Like does it make me a bad person if a little part of me maybe a lot of me wants to see that this thing has just died?
00:00:46 ◼ ► I don't I don't think I want that yet, but I can see why it would be funny if it happened
00:01:17 ◼ ► AFib detection. Watch had the the watch has to detect AFib six times before it will notify the user
00:01:27 ◼ ► We've seen a lot of articles and and quick hot takes come out from various people in the medical field
00:01:32 ◼ ► and people who make medical devices basically saying that the Apple Watch Series 4 sensors are horrible because they're gonna result in lots of
00:01:39 ◼ ► false positives and false positives are indeed a problem like, you know, if something does result in a bunch of people thinking they have heart conditions
00:01:49 ◼ ► You have people who get a lot of who stress out about that who might get you know tests done
00:02:02 ◼ ► To ask for the treatment that they ask for they might take away treatment for people who need it, whatever else
00:02:10 ◼ ► But so far it doesn't we don't really have any evidence that the Apple Watch Series 4 sensors
00:02:15 ◼ ► Do generate this level of false positives, you know, I'm sure this is something that Apple thought about when they designed it
00:02:24 ◼ ► So I I would err on the side of assuming it's probably okay that they've probably done their diligence and it's probably
00:02:30 ◼ ► Influenced reasonably conservatively. Yeah, that's what this item was about that it has to detect it six times
00:02:35 ◼ ► Which if you just think about it's like well geez wouldn't I want to know after the first one?
00:02:39 ◼ ► But it's like no you probably wouldn't like that six times is the extra insurance say this is not a fluke
00:02:45 ◼ ► Your watch was shaky on your wrist and there was some salt water underneath it for a couple seconds and like six times
00:03:00 ◼ ► I thought about that a lot with the fall detection and we talked a little bit about it in last show where
00:03:09 ◼ ► Because of the difficulty of figuring out have I fallen or have I just waved vigorously or have I just jumped or you know?
00:03:29 ◼ ► It will call your emergency contact or whatever like there's you don't have to do anything and I think
00:03:35 ◼ ► Not not that calling your emergency contact or emergency number or maybe emergency number of day
00:03:40 ◼ ► I don't know if we would call us just your emergency contact or an emergency number or both or either or whatever, but
00:03:44 ◼ ► You could flop onto a bed and just lay there for a minute thinking and then have your watch
00:03:51 ◼ ► But the fact that they made it auto call like I guess they have to do that because if they don't it's like well if you
00:03:56 ◼ ► Really do have a problem. You're not gonna be awake enough or at all to press a button on your watch or something, right?
00:04:19 ◼ ► Like we are heuristic said we think you fell and then you didn't move therefore. We're gonna send
00:04:33 ◼ ► Assume unless it is really bad unless like there's it requires a software update and like tons and tons of false positives or whatever
00:04:39 ◼ ► That the medical world will account for this eventually in the beginning. It'll be a weird novel thing or whatever
00:04:44 ◼ ► But eventually doctors will all know about it because the other hypochondriac patients saying my watch that I'm dying, right?
00:04:49 ◼ ► They'll they'll know about it doctors will understand the technology involved because they they know the different kinds of EKG's and they understand the limitations
00:04:57 ◼ ► Just having two sensing points one on your wrist and one you feel like I feel like it will mostly work itself out
00:05:02 ◼ ► So, I mean we'll say well circle back next year and see if those same doctors say this is you know
00:05:12 ◼ ► The problem is that Apple is only going to ever tell us about like the one or two or ten
00:05:22 ◼ ► But Apple is not going to probably come out and say and here are all the false positives. Let's weigh them against each other
00:05:29 ◼ ► They're just going to show us the inspirational story. So I think I like it's kind of on
00:05:51 ◼ ► Actually have heart conditions or own cell phones or anything else that has larger penetration than a specific kind of very new Apple watch
00:05:57 ◼ ► Yeah, it was interesting seeing a lot of feedback from physicians both on Twitter and a couple via email and to grossly oversimplify their complaints
00:06:07 ◼ ► It seemed like they thought a it would create too much influx of people with not actual problems
00:06:16 ◼ ► I find that hard to believe because of all the reasons you just enumerated John and either way
00:06:21 ◼ ► I'd rather like get checked out and have a false positive then never know that I have it a heart issue
00:06:38 ◼ ► I don't really know what it's like to be a doctor, but it seems to me like this is you know
00:06:43 ◼ ► This is unnecessary that this is a positive step and the medical community should embrace it
00:06:55 ◼ ► Giving us more awareness of what's happening in our own bodies is a good thing and should be applauded by everyone most especially the medical community
00:07:13 ◼ ► Or I said that it didn't need maybe have to be larger because they said the pixels were larger
00:07:35 ◼ ► You know for anyone not familiar larger sensors basically means that you can get a higher ratio of detail to noise
00:07:57 ◼ ► more light gathering ability, which means better pictures because you get less of the grainy noisy crap and
00:08:04 ◼ ► Therefore the softening algorithms need to do less work and so you can get more detail as well, especially in lower light
00:08:11 ◼ ► So anyway, I don't really know why Apple didn't make a bigger deal is that they actually did like in like one or two spots
00:08:24 ◼ ► I thought and they never said how much larger except for this, you know this clarification to Gruber that they gave
00:08:37 ◼ ► tennis and the Apple watch series 4 because as we record this all the press reviews for both of those devices
00:08:43 ◼ ► The embargo is lifted like today and yesterday and so while well no customers have them yet
00:08:55 ◼ ► I really got to give a special shout out John Gruber's reviews of both the Apple watch series 4 and the iPhones tennis
00:09:04 ◼ ► I feel like I haven't gotten a lot of great quality from other people's reviews of these phones that I've seen yet
00:09:14 ◼ ► I feel like Apple didn't do a very good job of selling the benefit especially for the phones like the watch
00:09:22 ◼ ► Benefits according to the reviews especially group review would like it sounds like you know, not only is the screen really nice
00:09:31 ◼ ► But also apparently the taptic engine got way better especially in the steel model, which it desperately needed the crown
00:09:42 ◼ ► So I think there's clearly like there's stuff going on there that they just didn't even talk about
00:09:53 ◼ ► These phones are better than last year's phones, you know, they talked about how great they are in
00:09:59 ◼ ► Absolute terms but not relative terms to last year's I know that most people don't upgrade their phones every year
00:10:05 ◼ ► But if you can't say that your phone this year is a lot better than their phone last year
00:10:18 ◼ ► So I think it is important for Apple to actually say how much better it is than last year's and they really didn't do that
00:10:24 ◼ ► The good thing is the reviews seem to be clarifying that it actually is a significant upgrade in a few areas
00:10:35 ◼ ► But I think it is clearly like there have been noticeable upgrades in a few areas again
00:10:42 ◼ ► I think Apple kind of failed to communicate that well enough, but fortunately the reviews are coming in and they're they're pretty positive
00:10:50 ◼ ► Negative point of many of the reviews seems to be the camera while it is way better than the iPhone 10 is
00:10:57 ◼ ► Not as good as some Google pixel, whatever whatever and to me that's like wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait
00:11:04 ◼ ► And that's like the beginning of a sentence that says but Google's phone beats it in these few areas and it's like no
00:11:10 ◼ ► No, that's fine. I don't want Google's phone. I really really don't want Google's phone. I want the iPhone
00:11:27 ◼ ► Previous products right sometimes Apple like goes out of its way to tell you look look at this product
00:11:33 ◼ ► We saw last year. It was garbage. Can you believe we even sold that thing by the new one?
00:11:37 ◼ ► It's so much better and jobs did that himself several times. It's happened in the post job
00:11:40 ◼ ► They're like not not saying it's garbage but like really being willing to show the failings of what was previously
00:11:54 ◼ ► They didn't and here's here's where I think we could have been shown about the camera. They showed the smart HDR and they showed
00:11:59 ◼ ► You know the pictures that you can take with it and you know the demonstrations at amic range
00:12:05 ◼ ► I think they even did some comparisons but like they didn't do what most of the reviews do which is
00:12:09 ◼ ► I'm gonna take the same exact picture with a 10 and it's gonna look bad on the 10, right?
00:12:14 ◼ ► It's going to look blown out and gross and like a bad picture because I don't think they I don't think Apple's ready to say
00:12:21 ◼ ► The 10 will take a bad sort of as Gruber said unusable and I was at a last last by show your garbage photos like
00:12:40 ◼ ► You won't be embarrassed by it and they didn't go that extra step to really emphasize. It doesn't just take good pictures
00:12:46 ◼ ► So they always show you good pictures. Of course, it's like professional photographers and models and everything is gorgeous, right?
00:12:54 ◼ ► Here's how it would look on the 10 and you go because I just don't think they wanted to do that this time
00:12:58 ◼ ► Or sometimes they do sometimes they decide leadership, but this time for whatever reason they didn't
00:13:05 ◼ ► You know like for the people who want to know how much better it is than a 10 whatever like but for most other people
00:13:11 ◼ ► Upgrading it's just a fantastic phone and everybody's gonna love it and what's much more important about it
00:13:20 ◼ ► Let me tell you how much better it is than that than the the 10 which you can't buy anywhere
00:13:23 ◼ ► It's like I don't care. I'm upgrading from a six or a seven like so it's you know, it's miles better. So
00:13:29 ◼ ► Yeah, it's an S year and maybe Apple could have trashed its previous products a little bit more
00:13:38 ◼ ► Unlike of the watch thing where if the taptic engine really is better like that figure out that could have been a thing worth mentioning
00:13:44 ◼ ► I think they mentioned everything that's better out the s they just maybe didn't emphasize a few things watches they could have
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00:15:50 ◼ ► There's a reference in this next piece of follow-up and I am confident that I will not do it the appropriate
00:15:56 ◼ ► Justice if I have anything to do with this piece of follow-up, so can you just take this away for me?
00:16:06 ◼ ► It's seemed like they had cherry-picked a thing that the GPU does faster 50% faster tessellation
00:16:13 ◼ ► And I said when you're citing something like that like a specific thing your GPU does maybe it's not overall as fast as you would
00:16:21 ◼ ► Like it to be and you have to pick one particular operation that does much faster than its predecessor
00:16:26 ◼ ► But apparently that's not what the slide actually said and I was reminded of the Simpsons episode where
00:16:31 ◼ ► Like Homer or somebody goes to a lawyer and he's got a business card and the lawyer asked him for money
00:16:36 ◼ ► He says but your business card since you work on contingency no money down and he says I see your problem
00:16:45 ◼ ► He adds a question mark after contingency and a comma after no an exclamation point after down
00:17:00 ◼ ► Faster is its own thing and then tessellation because it has a capital T and it's his own bullet point is telling you it does tessellation and
00:17:13 ◼ ► So it has tessellation and multi-layered rendering which is the thing that apparently the previous you didn't have at all and
00:17:26 ◼ ► capitalization and sliding the GPU and the iPhone tennis which is apparently 50% faster up to 50% up to
00:17:34 ◼ ► Apple specs are always up to and whenever they're talking about relative performance like the CPU is up to 50% faster, right?
00:17:41 ◼ ► But then it's like actually it's like fine. You can't just say 50% faster because it's always not gonna be faster on some things
00:17:48 ◼ ► Steve trout and Smith has discovered that neither the tennis or the tenor have a landscape home screen
00:17:55 ◼ ► Despite both being plus layout models. So let's unpack that just slightly. Thank God. That's how I impact that. Thank God
00:18:04 ◼ ► This wonderful feature where like an iPad if you rotated the phone to landscape the home screen rotated
00:18:10 ◼ ► well sort of basically it was terrible like during the during the admittedly brief times that I used the plus phones in the past and
00:18:28 ◼ ► Always have to manually unlock it whenever I wanted to watch a video or something then to constantly have my home screen
00:18:41 ◼ ► Layout and doing things like multi column and messages and mail stuff like that, which I also hated by the way
00:18:46 ◼ ► But you know, they're adopting a lot of that, but they didn't adopt the rotating home screen
00:18:50 ◼ ► That is a very good thing. And I hope that is not an oversight. I hope there's actually a decision this reminds me of the
00:18:56 ◼ ► The accelerated timeline in which you came to the decision. I thought it was always the right one for overcast 5
00:19:03 ◼ ► Which we'll talk about later, which is when there's a system-wide feature for something like rotation lock or whatever
00:19:13 ◼ ► I remember when system-wide rotation lock came to what was then I think it was still iPhone OS
00:19:22 ◼ ► we can finally take that feature out of our Twitter client and it has annoyed me ever since because
00:19:35 ◼ ► If like Twitter effect version 2 I had a rotation lock in the Twitter of a gap because I almost never
00:19:44 ◼ ► But I do want to allow rotation when I watch videos on my phone or whatever like so every night
00:19:55 ◼ ► Do something with my phone eventually in the morning or afternoon and realize rotation lock is still on turn it off blah blah
00:20:05 ◼ ► Per application setting for a feature and also a system-wide one that said you're crazy
00:20:11 ◼ ► If every single setting has the system-wide of on the per application one and it's redundant it can be confusing
00:20:15 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, I see got to use it judiciously. Well, they've done with the the 10 max is or tennis max is
00:20:26 ◼ ► Like if you liked it, sorry, cuz it's just not there anymore, but it is effectively a per application override of a system setting
00:20:33 ◼ ► Which I think makes sense because I hated the rotating home screen and my wife had a plus phone as well
00:20:42 ◼ ► Judiciously allowing per application overrides of system-wide settings because sometimes that's what people want
00:20:52 ◼ ► I think Gruber did the two of having a setting where nothing in the system rotates except video
00:20:58 ◼ ► Yeah photos, that would be awesome either right now that I don't think there's any standard API to
00:21:11 ◼ ► But boy would that be nice like that because I think so many people that's what they want
00:21:16 ◼ ► like I like I think well, you know when the phones first came out and you know as like the world got used to
00:21:23 ◼ ► Multi-touch interfaces and everything else the idea of rotation was a fun novelty and in some cases like when viewing the you know visual media
00:21:33 ◼ ► Usually it's like when viewing photos or video or take or using the camera you want rotation for that in
00:21:51 ◼ ► Instapaper was I was referring to the over overcast thing. We'll talk about it later. But yeah, yeah, but like, you know, like I
00:21:56 ◼ ► Supporting rotation in apps has always been difficult and a little bit buggy here and there
00:22:02 ◼ ► You know, it's easy to support it on one screen, but it becomes really tricky when open a web browser. Let it rotate
00:22:16 ◼ ► If they hold the phone the same way there for a while, does it stay kind of in this half rotated state?
00:22:20 ◼ ► It's very very strange and the iOS handling of rotation has changed a lot over the years for developers and it's never made it easier
00:22:29 ◼ ► So my position is not only should Apple offer a system wide toggle for this rotation lock except video and photos
00:22:41 ◼ ► I think the only apps that need to support rotation are the ones that display things like that
00:22:46 ◼ ► Most apps don't need support like I dropped rotations work from overcast in just like a point release in the four point X series
00:22:55 ◼ ► Almost no one complained it was and it saved me so much work when I was doing this redesign for five
00:23:31 ◼ ► If you're gonna if you're gonna switch from I'm reading something in portrait to I'm watching something in landscape very often
00:23:44 ◼ ► Maybe this is too complicated a gesture and I have to try it to see if it's a good idea
00:23:55 ◼ ► You know if I could just put my two fingers on whatever it is on the screen and literally rotate it
00:24:03 ◼ ► Let me give you the stupid example when people post incredibly blurry ten times recompressed images of text on Twitter
00:24:12 ◼ ► But if I go to a landscape, it's you know wide enough that I can maybe read the text you actually read those
00:24:17 ◼ ► Yeah, well sometimes I would love to be able to just grab that image and rotate with my two fingers
00:24:23 ◼ ► It's not a gesture that's used for anything else. It doesn't do anything now some applications do do it as rotation
00:24:29 ◼ ► It may just be awkward to do because I do I think you probably would need the second hand but that would get around the like
00:24:35 ◼ ► Oh, like it's certainly easier than swipe up from the bottom turn off rotation lock rotate the phone wait for the accelerometers to catch that
00:24:41 ◼ ► I'm rotating. Oh, they didn't catch it. Put it back straight again. Put it sideways, you know that dance
00:24:48 ◼ ► But I would love for some app makers to try that out now. We're gonna take a quick break
00:24:52 ◼ ► That's not a sponsor break but a break for something that is near and dear to all of our hearts
00:24:56 ◼ ► Are very very very close and dear friends Stephen Hackett and his family have had the unfortunate
00:25:03 ◼ ► situation of having dealt with childhood cancer in September at least in America is National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month and
00:25:10 ◼ ► As he does every year Stephen Hackett tries to raise money for st. Jude Children's Research Hospital
00:25:16 ◼ ► Which is which is an absolutely incredible and tremendous place that happens to be in his hometown of Memphis, Tennessee
00:25:22 ◼ ► Where families that are affected by childhood cancer can get treatment and get that treatment for free and the reason that works is
00:25:29 ◼ ► Because of donations from people like you. Yes you the person listening to me right now. I'm talking to you
00:25:35 ◼ ► I know we've all spent a lot of money on things. Maybe we actually should talk about that
00:25:47 ◼ ► But that's just for us and it would be cool if we could make other people's lives better
00:25:51 ◼ ► So if you dear listener the person that is listening to me right now have even a dollar
00:25:57 ◼ ► That you could spare think about that coffee or that Diet Coke or that hot cocoa that you drank today
00:26:03 ◼ ► Could you have maybe spent that couple of bucks and helped childhood cancer? You want to be cool, right?
00:26:10 ◼ ► Help help kids get over cancer. So give some money to st. Jude if at all possible as we record it is Wednesday evening the 19th
00:26:27 ◼ ► I would love if we could push that over his twenty thousand dollar goal as quickly as possible
00:26:37 ◼ ► I actually had to donate via PayPal that so serious this was because for some reason it wouldn't accept my credit card
00:26:43 ◼ ► But I did not want to go without donating and so I used PayPal that disgusting awful service in order to give money to st
00:26:51 ◼ ► So if possible, please go to the link in the show notes and give even but a dollar to st
00:26:57 ◼ ► Jude Children's Research Hospital you could spend your money in much much much worse ways
00:27:02 ◼ ► Please it would mean a lot to all of us and especially to Stephen Hackett and his family
00:27:05 ◼ ► So if you have them if you have a minute and if you can please send your money that way
00:27:10 ◼ ► And if you don't know about st. Jude's the thing that always strikes me about it is like, you know
00:27:26 ◼ ► Your kid with cancer and also dealing with medical bills like that's that's the magic of so the only way that works
00:27:36 ◼ ► So you can feel good about giving that money because it's not just you know, fighting cancer and helping kids is also
00:27:45 ◼ ► Question of how are we gonna pay for the cancer treatment for my child? Your money helps families not have to worry about that
00:28:10 ◼ ► Is a way better idea than yet another iPhone case, you know or yet another iPhone indeed
00:28:17 ◼ ► So yeah, please send your money that way we will have a link in the show notes and it will be very hard to miss
00:28:27 ◼ ► Just do that or even more would be better but a dollar is great. So please send some money that way now to continue the follow-up
00:28:37 ◼ ► I feel like we should quickly take care of that. I will start is a terrible thing to do right after that
00:28:44 ◼ ► We all gave money to say Jews and after we gave money say just you get money to Apple. That's true
00:28:49 ◼ ► That's right. That is our priority system. This is a terrible segue, but I'm committed now
00:29:01 ◼ ► I can tell you that I have donated a pile of money to st. Jude's and I have pre-ordered precisely nothing
00:29:32 ◼ ► When I last week was saying, you know, I'm not that excited about it and you know this week when when I have ordered it
00:29:39 ◼ ► One was which John kind of quickly mentioned during the show that I hadn't thought of was trading value
00:29:45 ◼ ► So it isn't a question of spending zero or you know, twelve hundred dollars or whatever it is
00:29:51 ◼ ► It was a question of spending like six hundred dollars, which admittedly is still a ton of money for what is a
00:29:58 ◼ ► Fairly minor update to the phone. So I had to you know, really I'm still not excited to have spent this money on this
00:30:10 ◼ ► Seeing all the stuff about the camera, especially seeing groupers review and seeing some of the sample pictures and what it can do. I
00:30:16 ◼ ► Did quickly breeze by last week like smart HDR if that's a real thing could be really useful to me
00:30:21 ◼ ► And it does seem from the sample pictures that all the reviews have it seems like smart HDR is a real thing and the sensor
00:30:31 ◼ ► You know, this isn't gonna replace a full-frame camera. It can't with physics and costs, but
00:30:43 ◼ ► That gives it enough value to me and honestly the better speakers and better stare and stereo and video
00:30:50 ◼ ► Like once I start to think about stuff like, you know, actually I would actually really like that stuff because I'm really into sound
00:30:55 ◼ ► and so like it all added up to be like, okay, I wouldn't be happy to spend twelve hundred dollars on a
00:31:13 ◼ ► And you get a fresh battery too. And also the the smart HDR stuff also happens when you do panoramas
00:31:19 ◼ ► It also happens when you take a still photo during video and the video has that thing where it'll drop the frame rate down to
00:31:25 ◼ ► 2040 get extra light on each frame if you take it from bright in the middle of a video if you take it from a
00:31:37 ◼ ► taken a movie that looked okay until you turn towards the interior and everything's all shady and it couldn't see anything and now maybe
00:31:52 ◼ ► Also, a lot of people have pointed out also that there's noticeably less shutter lag and that's also very important
00:31:59 ◼ ► So to have that be reduced in a noticeable way is pretty impressive and pretty important to me
00:32:08 ◼ ► So most durable screen ever they say we'll see what that yeah, well somebody I think I think it was group
00:32:15 ◼ ► Clarification quote unquote that it's durable because like, you know durability like they said the same thing about the 10 screen
00:32:24 ◼ ► I think in the history of iPhones, but because what they meant with durable was it wouldn't shatter as easily
00:32:29 ◼ ► Yeah, the clarification was by the way, it was about is it scratch resistance of durability and Apple said it's both which gives you no information
00:32:41 ◼ ► It is that is it the most scratch resistant screen ever and is it also the most shatter resistant?
00:33:07 ◼ ► Was with you for the record if you would just let that go. I wouldn't have thought twice about it
00:33:13 ◼ ► Like I said, however, my intention is I am going to try to go to the local Apple store Friday morning
00:33:20 ◼ ► Although if it happens to work out sweet, but I would really like to try on new watches
00:33:29 ◼ ► But as of this time I have not ordered anything and I'd really prefer to see it on my wrist before
00:33:34 ◼ ► I do so so I'm gonna probably try on Friday morning laugh as it's a complete disaster of a zoo and
00:33:43 ◼ ► that is that is very very wise because like on the watch front like again like the sizes are so
00:33:48 ◼ ► Different and they will look so different because of the screen size difference inside the case body
00:33:53 ◼ ► Like there's there's a few different ways you can go in this like like in the in this week's excellent episode of cortex
00:34:09 ◼ ► she said he liked big watches and he wants the biggest screen he can possibly get on his wrist because he uses a watch that
00:34:24 ◼ ► Because while the big one can fit he might be able to get away with merely the small one
00:34:34 ◼ ► I there's a certain amount of kind of just delight in having a watch that's that's very very small
00:35:00 ◼ ► Regarding like how watch size looks with like bezel thickness having a super thin bezel. So the dial kind of goes edge to edge
00:35:12 ◼ ► I've been wearing that watch most of this past week because I mean it's one of my favorites and I get a certain amount of
00:35:21 ◼ ► But I'm getting all the utility of it and there's a certain amount of pleasure in that especially when it's hot or whatever else and so
00:35:28 ◼ ► Get the big Apple watch you may want the small one because it may be big enough that it's functional to you
00:35:35 ◼ ► But maybe you can get away with the smaller size than you had before because of the new screen dimensions and everything
00:35:45 ◼ ► Yep, and that is my intention John. However, it is your your year my friend. It is your year for an upgrade
00:35:56 ◼ ► Apparently I got an iPhone tennis leather case because it's sitting in front of me right now
00:36:06 ◼ ► Your case being delivered before your phone because for the past several years that's been true
00:36:13 ◼ ► You get to sit and stare at it for a day or two or a week or whatever and then eventually your phone comes to
00:36:18 ◼ ► Put it in. Yeah, like in the old days. We're like Apple care would come a week before your Mac would oh, yeah
00:36:42 ◼ ► I figure black will hide that sin a little bit better than the shiny silver. So yeah, that's true
00:36:56 ◼ ► Oh, what if I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 12 finally now that the official one is out and I put my face on it
00:37:04 ◼ ► Entering in her password to unlock that thing. Oh, yeah, cuz now I was told that you could have you could have a second face
00:37:11 ◼ ► That's right. That's right. I gotta do that on Aaron's phone and on my phone. I completely forgot about that. Good call
00:37:17 ◼ ► Oh, man, I want to set a reminder to do that tomorrow. Well before we move on to mark, we're gonna watch
00:37:26 ◼ ► Yeah, so you try to let him get by with mentioning that he got the watch - Casey of all people will understand my reasoning here
00:37:45 ◼ ► frequently will upgrade that thing as soon as there's a new version out because it is so
00:37:50 ◼ ► Frickin slow any upgrade is actually a meaningful difference to how usable it is to them
00:37:59 ◼ ► with as much of a love-hate relationship as people have with the 12-inch MacBook because
00:38:14 ◼ ► 20% faster or something and you know something like that you jump on it you buy it because even though it's so slow you're like
00:38:20 ◼ ► This will actually be a meaningful difference because I'm so often limited by this by the slowness of this thing, right?
00:38:38 ◼ ► Anytime you have to do a build and run which is where you say you're editing your code and Xcode
00:38:47 ◼ ► It's a separate app called the simulator and that's the fastest way to see your code to build your code and see it running
00:39:00 ◼ ► Hit build and run with the phone as the target and it takes a little bit longer and then it pops up on the phone
00:39:06 ◼ ► The difference between I mean even the simulator is slow for the watch, which is hilarious
00:39:10 ◼ ► I don't know why it's slow, but it is and then maybe it's accurately simulating the watch
00:39:19 ◼ ► Which really is like you plug your phone in and you say run on Marco's phone plus Marco's watch
00:39:25 ◼ ► Even though it's available for development and then you got to reboot the watch and reboot the phone and close Xcode
00:39:33 ◼ ► Anyway, when you eventually get it to work and build on the watch it takes like 45 seconds and that's if it works
00:39:40 ◼ ► Much of the time I would even say the majority of the time it takes that long and then it says
00:39:46 ◼ ► Timeout didn't work. I don't know or the my favorite thing is it says running on Marco's watch and it's not running at all
00:39:55 ◼ ► You're like great. Thanks. You have no idea what's going on and neither do I and there's no rhyme or reason to it. Anyway,
00:40:01 ◼ ► Even in the best case scenario where it actually does work that build and run cycle can take like 45 seconds or something
00:40:10 ◼ ► The reason upgrades the series 3 when it came out because I was already kind of not wearing it much
00:40:21 ◼ ► One of his tests that he ran like the difference between series 2 and series 3 deployment time for that build and run thing
00:40:31 ◼ ► I will spend a thousand dollars to do that. Like that's how infuriating this like this this delay is because
00:40:47 ◼ ► You can you can develop entirely in the simulator for the phone for lots of different types of apps and different capabilities
00:40:54 ◼ ► You don't really need the hardware for much with the phone with the watch especially doing audio stuff
00:41:02 ◼ ► Behave with the integration with the now playing stream has actually behave with background audio
00:41:06 ◼ ► How does it actually behave with air pod controls or the connection and disconnection and presence of air pods or other Bluetooth headphones?
00:41:16 ◼ ► Like it's so hard to do Apple watch development without deploying frequently onto the watch hardware itself. So this is a very
00:41:23 ◼ ► common thing I have to do where I have to build and run on the watch and sit there and wait and wait and wait
00:41:32 ◼ ► Not only developer morale but productivity because what you do while you're waiting is well
00:41:54 ◼ ► That's one of the reasons why developers can justify and totally reasonably things like iMac pros
00:42:03 ◼ ► Because if you don't have this fast feedback loop from okay made a change. Let me see it running
00:42:11 ◼ ► It really can crush your productivity and your morale. It's very frustrating and it really does have an impact
00:42:25 ◼ ► I only got I only got steel the other day. I I was cleaning out a desk drawer full of like old tech gadgets and cables
00:42:32 ◼ ► And crap like that and I pulled out my old series zero Apple watch and I haven't plugged it in in probably two years
00:42:46 ◼ ► I had long since removed the strap permit so I could you know move it on to better newer watches and
00:42:50 ◼ ► So it's just like the watch body itself a little, you know round erect blob of steel and and stuff
00:42:58 ◼ ► I kind of twirled around on my hands and it's beautiful. Like I love the way the steel Apple watch looks
00:43:21 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not saying this to crap on everyone out there to crap on your watch preferences if you like it
00:43:38 ◼ ► When I had the aluminum with the series three this past year as I figure now I'm wearing it less than ever
00:43:46 ◼ ► I had the aluminum series 3 and I think this is one of the ugliest products Apple has ever made and part of that's the
00:43:52 ◼ ► giant red dot part of it's the thickness of the series 3 being so ridiculously thick and
00:43:56 ◼ ► Part of it is just like I don't I don't like this finish. And so now my my usage of the Apple watch has gone from
00:44:05 ◼ ► only when testing overcast and wanting to take it off as soon as possible when I get back from a walk or whatever and
00:44:14 ◼ ► because increasingly the like when the Apple watch first came out like, you know, I was seeing something like I don't know
00:44:20 ◼ ► 5% of people using it in the app something like that right now. It's like 15 20 percent. It's keep it keeps going up
00:44:33 ◼ ► So I rationalize myself getting the steel this time, even though I know I'm not gonna wear it a ton
00:44:45 ◼ ► Like I look at and I think that's a nice-looking watch like I actually feel like it looks good
00:44:59 ◼ ► Just treating it like some kind of medical device that I want to get off me as soon as possible
00:45:04 ◼ ► So that's how I rationalize it. It'll be not only do I want the series 4 in general for the development speed up
00:45:13 ◼ ► Even though it seems a little ridiculous because I honestly think it will make me wear it more which will be better for my app. I
00:45:21 ◼ ► Honestly can't see the difference between steel and aluminum and maybe you have them next to each other
00:45:34 ◼ ► Well, that's the thing. Like I cannot remember a time. I've looked at somebody's wrist and been like, oh, that's a steel
00:45:39 ◼ ► I've only ever looked at them and said like in once or twice I saw the original edition and thought oh my god
00:45:46 ◼ ► Are you kidding me with that? But the point I'm driving at is I can't sitting here now. I
00:45:51 ◼ ► Don't recall a time. I've looked at a watch and like oh, that's a steel watch now. I completely agree
00:45:56 ◼ ► I'm sure if you set them side by side, I would think oh, well, that's obviously steel and that's obviously aluminum
00:46:00 ◼ ► But I mean just sitting here now. I don't see them. Is that different and in I'm surprised that you have such a
00:46:16 ◼ ► It just seems so weird that you would have such a strong reaction. But hey, man, you do you I mean you said the same
00:46:21 ◼ ► Thing like this is taste. It's it's fashion. It's it's visual. It's fashion. It's totally irrational
00:46:27 ◼ ► But it's that's it's fashion. It's real. It's just irrational and if you don't see this the same way
00:46:43 ◼ ► No, I mean, I'm still not sure I'm gonna for all of Marco's extensive rationalizations of why he's gonna do the thing
00:46:50 ◼ ► By this watch mine will be even worse because I wear my watch like way less than even Marco does
00:46:59 ◼ ► But then again like what how long does series zero four years five years old you get a lot of mileage out of it
00:47:04 ◼ ► So I could that's probably my rationalization be like look you wear it two times a year
00:47:13 ◼ ► See if I think it will actually motivate me to move Eric three times a year instead of two or whatever
00:47:18 ◼ ► But yeah, I'm not doing anything involving the watch until I see them in real life, which I haven't yet
00:47:35 ◼ ► That's bold. Yeah, we'll see if it survives. We got I opted for the theft and loss protection because I know my daughter
00:47:42 ◼ ► In addition to like the drop and whatever so it's a giant case and we'll see how this goes
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00:49:58 ◼ ► Like this is like the one big feature it needed to make it more useful in my kitchen. They finally added that and
00:50:40 ◼ ► Start a green timer for two minutes and then a couple minutes later once the water got hotter and I poured it into the black
00:50:45 ◼ ► tea I said start a black timer for five minutes and it properly knows that it'll say okay green timer set when I would ever whatever and
00:50:53 ◼ ► You can ask it how much time is left on the green timer and it'll say your green timer has two minutes left
00:50:58 ◼ ► When the timer goes off, it'll make this little chime that it'll say green timer is done or something
00:51:04 ◼ ► You know something like that. It'll announce which timer is done. So these are the basics good the
00:51:14 ◼ ► So I've talked in the past about the Amazon family of cylinders that one of the things I like is that you can be
00:51:20 ◼ ► You can kind of speak like a programmer and it won't it'll it'll take what you say pretty literally
00:51:30 ◼ ► You can with an Amazon echo device say start a start the sauce timer for five minutes and it'll say okay
00:51:38 ◼ ► Start the sauce timer five minutes and in five minutes, it'll say your start the sauce timer is done
00:51:44 ◼ ► So you can actually include like a bit of phrasing in the name of the timer and it doesn't get tripped up by that
00:52:04 ◼ ► That sounds like part of the command even if it's part of what you think of as a parameter that you're passing to
00:52:17 ◼ ► Remind me in five minutes to remember the milk because then it'll it'll create a reminder
00:52:26 ◼ ► Part of the phrase of creating reminder, even though you already said different words for that
00:52:37 ◼ ► Whereas the Amazon assistant is super literal and it'll which is both good and bad in certain cases
00:52:44 ◼ ► You can you can be you can talk like a programmer to the Amazon one and it gets it right
00:52:59 ◼ ► But it but when it came time to like, you know start a start the oven timer for 15 minutes from now
00:53:07 ◼ ► The main problem I have with it though so far and and hopefully this gets resolved over time
00:53:20 ◼ ► I was told today when you know, the feature came out and I patched my home pod like three days ago
00:53:35 ◼ ► I asked the exact same thing with the exact same phrasing again, and it said okay black timer created, you know five minutes
00:53:47 ◼ ► The version one servers are still floating around out there that hadn't actually killed them all off. It's not a botched cream
00:53:57 ◼ ► Like it's this is one of the biggest failure modes of Siri of like you you issue a command
00:54:08 ◼ ► So it's it's it's really disheartening to see that this still happens even with a brand new that fairly simple seeming feature, right?
00:54:25 ◼ ► The status of all of the timers that are running it has gotten it wrong and it has reported only one of them
00:54:31 ◼ ► And there's lots of different ways you can ask on the Amazon things. You can say timer check timer status
00:54:39 ◼ ► What how much time was left on all of my timers and try the big verbose ones if it works properly
00:54:53 ◼ ► For three of the timer sets and it didn't matter how often I asked after this point for three of the sets of timers
00:55:05 ◼ ► But the first one wasn't canceled you could still ask for the like whichever one it wasn't reporting
00:55:10 ◼ ► I could still ask for it by name and it still went off on time. So like it's still there which is comforting
00:55:30 ◼ ► April or something and they didn't even get this right on the server side like it's still
00:55:34 ◼ ► Intermittently failing for dumb reasons. I mean for god's sakes what is going on at Siri?
00:55:41 ◼ ► This is such an almost great product. I really I like the home pod in so many ways and as
00:55:52 ◼ ► Generally trust them less that seem like they're doing weird things sometimes with their setups and they're they're pushing it in weird directions
00:56:03 ◼ ► I think they're gonna they're gonna start doing weirder and weirder stuff with it like with their weird voice chat stuff and you know
00:56:08 ◼ ► Building in more things they won't they just want more of your info and they want to dominate more of your life
00:56:12 ◼ ► And you know, I just I know Amazon's gonna ruin what they have because they always do with this kind of stuff
00:56:31 ◼ ► I'm okay paying their crazy prices. I'm okay having you know, not having all the skills that the Amazon series has
00:56:59 ◼ ► Why hasn't somebody changed this like they have all the resources other companies have demonstrated for years
00:57:13 ◼ ► got I mean if they're not doing like what they're doing with maps with like the big article that came out a few months back where
00:57:18 ◼ ► They're doing this big reset of maps if they aren't doing that with Siri. I have serious concerns and
00:57:32 ◼ ► Dysfunctional and rotten about Siri that they can't get basic stuff to work reliably even some something as simple as this
00:57:40 ◼ ► They like this is a critical part of infrastructure for the company and its products. They have to make a change
00:57:49 ◼ ► Please don't send me your emails and tweets about because I said green blue. I meant blue green. It's fine. Anyway
00:58:03 ◼ ► like today for instance now that they transition all the way or wait a week or whatever that all of
00:58:11 ◼ ► This was right before the show. This was the tea. I just finished drinking. This is like
00:58:15 ◼ ► Honestly, I don't even know how much of that is server-side anyway, so it is pretty baffling
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01:00:12 ◼ ► From my experience and from the experience of everyone I've I've seen comment on it. Things are going pretty well
01:00:19 ◼ ► Yeah, thank you. It's you are right, but I mean it's it has really been very well received. I'm very
01:00:32 ◼ ► substantial redesign to the now playing screen and I was I did this for a lot of reasons we can get into if you want but
01:00:42 ◼ ► So there was a lot of potential for people to dislike the change because nobody likes when you change anything
01:00:49 ◼ ► so it's it's a very very hard line to walk when you want to make a change to an app and and
01:00:56 ◼ ► Please the old customers or set or at least not anger the old customers while making your app better for new customers
01:01:22 ◼ ► but that's that's the big thing like that was that was the thing that I was most proud of and
01:01:30 ◼ ► You remember during the beta process if you had tried this or if it be may be before the beta, but did you ever?
01:01:37 ◼ ► Try going with three dots under the thing instead of the things poking in from the sides. I'm now playing
01:01:49 ◼ ► So number one was there was really no good place to put the chapter title when you had the three dots interface
01:02:08 ◼ ► So I thought with the previous design just had the artwork edge to edge big square and it was scrollable and on on
01:02:14 ◼ ► You know on a page to the left was the like speed and settings and stuff on the page to the right was show notes
01:02:19 ◼ ► I would I was getting emails every day from people saying I would love your app if it had speed controls
01:02:26 ◼ ► Or I changed the speed. I don't know how to change it back. Everyone's talking too fast help
01:02:36 ◼ ► That the previous design just was not discoverable enough that those three dots there were two problems
01:02:41 ◼ ► number one the three dots weren't very discoverable even when they were shown number two, they were hidden and
01:02:51 ◼ ► How I added this feature when I was designing that screen very few podcasts had chapters
01:02:57 ◼ ► So it wasn't that big of a problem. Then I released an app that made it really easy to make chapters
01:03:04 ◼ ► Then a lot more podcasts, especially those popular and overcast started adding chapters and
01:03:16 ◼ ► But even when they were displayed, you know, and like most of like most like novice users
01:03:24 ◼ ► They never use chapters because they use low production value on the files despite all the money they spend on the production itself
01:03:30 ◼ ► So, you know most people weren't seeing or weren't having the dots hidden from them by the chapter bar
01:03:37 ◼ ► noticing or knowing what it meant right and and this is this has been a problem that I faced with overcast since 1.0 of
01:03:58 ◼ ► they'll think the app just doesn't have that feature or they're email me asking about that feature or they'll get really mad because it doesn't have
01:04:17 ◼ ► surfacing features visually instead of making things just behind swipes or just behind menus or whatever it else or what it was just behind like
01:04:24 ◼ ► The edit state of a controller or anything else like that because those things I just people don't find them
01:04:33 ◼ ► That was just always a big problem with it that just nobody would ever find the two other pages
01:04:39 ◼ ► So that's the main thing I wanted to solve with this and if you look around like, you know apples
01:04:45 ◼ ► Podcast app and the music app both have similar issues and remember like remember when the music app
01:04:55 ◼ ► Repeat and shuffle buttons where you have to scroll the now playing screen to see them like below everything else remember that
01:05:05 ◼ ► content cut off when there was no content cut off like the least the dots give you something like what I was thinking with the
01:05:16 ◼ ► It didn't look like there was anything to the right or left and then with the new design
01:05:23 ◼ ► Maybe even without like the things peeking out of the side like this this design with the dots
01:05:28 ◼ ► Would be more discoverable than the for design with it. Obviously, I think it's even more discoverable with the blinds
01:05:34 ◼ ► But I warned wonder if people are going to figure out what it means that there's these little gray lines on the side like I mean
01:05:40 ◼ ► You'll find out I guess from the feedback, but I was thinking like why not belt and suspenders?
01:05:50 ◼ ► Would have the same problem with chapter stuff where like the best place to put chapters in this UI is
01:05:58 ◼ ► Do the same thing where the dots are hidden when the chapters are shown and then even then like I've also moved the the main
01:06:11 ◼ ► I think it would look really crowded there with the three dots and then a small gap and
01:06:21 ◼ ► That's one of the things I miss is being able to glance at it and see how much of orange is filled up
01:06:25 ◼ ► Is it a halfway orange or three-quarters orange now? It's like this really skinny line with a little tiny dot
01:06:33 ◼ ► It looks more elegant, but not sure it is it is as Fisher price friendly as the old one was
01:06:39 ◼ ► Part of this is also just fashion, you know, it's app design fashion, you know app designs have you know
01:06:52 ◼ ► It was really looking dated to me like very very very dated and if you look around at where design trends are going now
01:07:09 ◼ ► line widths of maybe like 3 pixels or you know 1.5 stroke kind of things like, you know, and and like like one little detail
01:07:28 ◼ ► Circle a small like one pixel gap and then the bar behind it and like something like that
01:07:35 ◼ ► That's a trend recently like there's there's stuff like that that if you want your app to look
01:07:48 ◼ ► This is a lesson. I have slowly learned. I'm not all the way there yet. I'm not saying I am
01:07:55 ◼ ► But I have slowly learned like I have to keep the design up to date. I have to keep evolving it
01:08:01 ◼ ► I have to keep looking around and noticing what's going on in the world of popular apps because
01:08:05 ◼ ► I'm not making this app just for nerds like us. I'm making this app for the mass market
01:08:11 ◼ ► it is always been my goal and that is the audience that it thankfully has and so I'm really
01:08:17 ◼ ► Having to pay attention to things like trends and to things like keeping it updated and fresh. So
01:08:23 ◼ ► Anyway, that's that's where that came from. But anyway, so what I was saying earlier with the music thing like
01:08:32 ◼ ► modern but also has a lot of functionality and also has a functionality be discoverable is
01:08:39 ◼ ► Incredibly hard and I'm not the only person struggling with this. Like if you look around
01:08:44 ◼ ► Music apps and especially podcast apps because they have pockets that have more features. They have to cram into that screen
01:08:50 ◼ ► It's a really big challenge of how the heck do you have a lot of accessible features there that are also
01:09:08 ◼ ► They have the same struggle when Apple put the put the shuffle and repeat below the scroll thing on the music screen
01:09:18 ◼ ► Apple added like a little like help tip the first time you longs are saying did you know these were down here?
01:09:26 ◼ ► even Apple gets this wrong sometimes because that's how big of a design challenge it is and
01:09:33 ◼ ► I'm saying I say design here not in the sense of making it look pretty because that isn't what this kind of design is
01:09:40 ◼ ► Deciding what should be on the screen and how it should be presented and how it should work
01:09:51 ◼ ► Struggled with this exact same problem and we've all come up with different solutions to different degrees of success
01:10:00 ◼ ► So that's one of the reasons I was so excited about this design that I think I actually have a pretty good solution this time
01:10:03 ◼ ► Like I think I finally got it right for the first time in overcast history. I finally got a
01:10:10 ◼ ► Highly functional and also highly discoverable and the rest of the app. I still have a lot of work to do
01:10:16 ◼ ► But the now playing screen I I think I'm proud of that. I think I think it turned out well
01:10:33 ◼ ► I think earlier today about how that's been controversial, but I I thought you did it very well
01:10:43 ◼ ► Setting because he started off saying I don't need this have as a setting. It's a system-wide setting
01:10:47 ◼ ► But now some people want it system-wide but not an overcast. So it's gonna be an app setting
01:11:03 ◼ ► And so I assumed that people who didn't like haptics would just use that setting but once again just like a rotation
01:11:10 ◼ ► There's a there's a lot of demand for people who want to leave that setting on for other ways the system uses haptics
01:11:16 ◼ ► Like maybe you know, like live photo previewing or you know, peak and pop previewing stuff like that
01:11:29 ◼ ► At first I thought that would be almost nobody who would want that turns out it's a decent number of people
01:11:36 ◼ ► Anyone pretty haptic crazy like when you when you do this side to side swipe on the huge region at the top you get a
01:11:41 ◼ ► Haptic just in case you can't tell that something changed when you swipe like literally the whole top
01:11:48 ◼ ► He's like did I hit the button is my finger too dry that I just brush it that happened cuz oh, yes
01:11:52 ◼ ► It registered it registered in my thing, but I feel like we're doing it the swipe at the top is a little overboard
01:11:56 ◼ ► well, it's but see this is like everyone has a different opinion of what is overboard like if
01:12:06 ◼ ► I would just turn I would just like, you know remove some of them or tune them down or whatever
01:12:11 ◼ ► I don't actually have a whole lot of control over like the strength of them or the style of them like the system provides a
01:12:21 ◼ ► They they have semantic meanings attached to them like the API or it's it's things like
01:12:27 ◼ ► It's things like impact where like one view slides up and hits another one like when a screen slides into place and locks into place
01:12:37 ◼ ► You're supposed to use these semantically you're supposed to like, you know not use the wrong
01:12:53 ◼ ► By you know by using them semantically and everything else that people would like it and a lot of people love it
01:12:58 ◼ ► But enough people don't love it that I need a preference. Well, they're all wrong because I love it. I
01:13:04 ◼ ► Like it too a lot for whatever that's worth. What about a watch playback? That's back. That's exciting
01:13:21 ◼ ► watch standalone playback is long and colorful and mostly awful because it's a feature that I
01:13:31 ◼ ► I don't know watch OS. Yeah watch OS 3 when I was doing the watch OS 3 version. I tried to do it
01:13:49 ◼ ► That's generally good for your app like you probably should say yes to that and and so I
01:13:55 ◼ ► Thought well, you know if they're asking, you know, I'll prioritize this. So I spent like three months on it
01:14:08 ◼ ► It was especially frustrating because like, you know, somebody there had asked me to do it
01:14:13 ◼ ► So I assumed like they had probably checked with someone and they knew it was possible and it just wasn't and I was just battling
01:14:30 ◼ ► Trick where they basically identify themselves as a certain type of workout monitoring app
01:14:37 ◼ ► Like there was just some kind of fluke where like if you put the certain key in your p-list or your watch app
01:14:52 ◼ ► I think I've talked about this before where like in process versus out of process at least I have it under the radar
01:14:56 ◼ ► And so this became possible. So I decided you know what? I already built almost everything else for this feature with minimal effort
01:15:38 ◼ ► Because I had this feature at one time. There are articles out there on the web that say
01:15:45 ◼ ► Use overcast to have offline watch playback. Okay, and they have they of course weren't updated after I removed it
01:15:55 ◼ ► Sit from somebody saying I can't figure out how to send to my Apple watch. I had this option is not showing up
01:16:21 ◼ ► It's like it's a common failing of like they look for a feature that they heard was in an app
01:16:30 ◼ ► No one ever reads anything in text in apps. You can put whatever text you want in the app
01:16:35 ◼ ► They're not gonna read it. They see. Oh, I gotta pay for something and I'm not finding this feature. Okay, I'll pay and
01:16:40 ◼ ► Now now I get the feature obviously even though it never says that anywhere. But again, no one no one reads text and apps. So
01:16:50 ◼ ► Still not find it and get really mad that they just got ripped off even though I never promised it
01:16:54 ◼ ► But that was that's not it doesn't matter what I promised and what they it matters like what's in their head
01:17:05 ◼ ► and so when watch OS 5 came out or when it was announced in June and Apple actually made a lot of
01:17:12 ◼ ► meaningful improvements and changes to the way watch background audio playback works I could finally actually offer this feature
01:17:31 ◼ ► So I finally was able to do that and that launched again two days ago with overcast overcast 5
01:17:41 ◼ ► I've done a few changes for how it's done like one of the main things is and now automatically syncing your most recent X podcast
01:17:49 ◼ ► Making you send them individually which kind of helps minimize the problem of transfers just taking forever because they're going over Bluetooth
01:17:58 ◼ ► But overall it's so nice. It's you can finally like take only your watch out for a run with headphones
01:18:10 ◼ ► And I actually haven't had a chance to use this yet because I haven't gone for a run once I had the new beta installed
01:18:18 ◼ ► It's super exciting and I'm really looking forward to trying it. Oh, yeah and volume control. This was fun, too. So
01:18:27 ◼ ► By far the most common feature request besides standalone watch playback maybe even more common than that for the watch app
01:18:37 ◼ ► there was no API that I could use to programmatically control the volume of watch playback ever and
01:18:52 ◼ ► I don't want to build a major feature against an API that's been deprecated for like five years
01:18:56 ◼ ► because because that means Apple could remove it at any time and and or or I could start getting rejected for using it and
01:19:08 ◼ ► Introduced a feature which is nice when it when it's what you want introduce a feature that by default
01:19:14 ◼ ► It's called something like audio apps, but you know active audio apps something like that
01:19:18 ◼ ► The feature is that when you are playing an audio app on the phone and you glance at your watch
01:19:25 ◼ ► That app if it has a watch app that's installed it will show up even if it wasn't your last used watch app
01:19:31 ◼ ► So it kind of like auto launches your current phone audio app on your watch when it's playing which is a nice feature
01:19:49 ◼ ► And so there was all of a sudden a very popular Bluetooth headphone that had no volume control on it
01:20:02 ◼ ► They were also very popular had no volume control and there's a feature of watch OS 4 that brought the audio app
01:20:09 ◼ ► That was currently playing to the front automatically and most people left it on it was on by default
01:20:13 ◼ ► So I got a lot of people saying the best way to use overcast on your watch is to delete overcast off your watch
01:20:21 ◼ ► Then the now playing card from the system would show up and that had a volume control on it and I couldn't match that in my
01:20:32 ◼ ► And so I the actual outcome was the best way to listen to overcast with AirPods was to delete it off your watch
01:20:45 ◼ ► Watch OS 5 finally gave me a frickin volume widget that I can put in my interface and they did it in you know the most
01:20:56 ◼ ► I can't the only thing customize about it is the color of the line that goes around it. That's it
01:21:01 ◼ ► Oh and you can customize whether it's controlling the watches volume or the phones volume
01:21:33 ◼ ► Watch volume control in another mode. I have two of those widgets in that sort of board. Just one of them's hidden any given time
01:21:46 ◼ ► But the fact is it does work and it takes up a frickin third of the screen, but I don't care
01:21:58 ◼ ► volume control on the watch and those are major major feature requests that a lot of people had and
01:22:05 ◼ ► The API was too limited before I couldn't offer either of them through no fault of my own
01:22:14 ◼ ► So, you know to be able to finally offer these things is a pretty big deal. Yeah, that's awesome
01:22:26 ◼ ► I mean any any kind of like major UI change to some of the basic screens of the app is a pretty big undertaking
01:22:32 ◼ ► Not as big as an app playing screen that that was the biggest I think but like, you know
01:22:46 ◼ ► Like all the card controllers like the effects controller the chapter control the chapter didn't exist before it was part of show notes
01:22:53 ◼ ► The show notes control like all these things have to be modified to fit with it all the buttons
01:23:04 ◼ ► Some of them were restyled. I totally rewrote the sleep timer because it sucked before now
01:23:35 ◼ ► I have to balance between what I want to do as a developer of like I want to make my app fresh and new
01:23:56 ◼ ► And so like I have to balance how much time I spend if I do a whole bunch of redesign stuff and not enough feature stuff
01:24:15 ◼ ► Well, I'm excited to try offline feedback and in general the app has been great. It works really well
01:24:21 ◼ ► I think it's very pretty very well done. I like it. It's my podcast app of choice. Thank you. Oh
01:24:39 ◼ ► Implementing search it is surprisingly deep of a topic and so I'm not gonna cover it here
01:24:49 ◼ ► Alright, thanks to our sponsors this week Squarespace, Eero and Casper and we'll see you next week
01:26:14 ◼ ► You have released to us a new video. Yeah, I have released to the two of you and a couple of other friends a new video
01:26:36 ◼ ► Which I continually and will forever call a dual clutch transmission because that's the BMW version of it, but basically the same idea
01:26:45 ◼ ► Text review a blog post review that you guys have not seen but is written and queued up
01:26:54 ◼ ► I will put a link to that in the show notes. And of course there is a video which you guys have seen so
01:26:59 ◼ ► All right, do your worst. Tell me tell me what I did wrong. Well, John didn't do his homework
01:27:11 ◼ ► I'm going to start with the negatives so I can end with the positives. All right number one negative
01:27:18 ◼ ► And including John because that's the part he saw is there are there is some jittery camera motion during some of your movement shots
01:27:27 ◼ ► If I had to guess you were shooting that on a modern iPhone on a gimbal, is that right?
01:27:41 ◼ ► So you're like walking up to it or panning around it kind of things, right? Yes, exactly
01:27:46 ◼ ► So there's some jittery movement that happens during this and so what I'm pretty sure you're seeing I'm not positive because I haven't looked at the
01:27:55 ◼ ► I haven't launched in a very long time for my gimbal that I haven't used in a very long time, but I
01:28:15 ◼ ► another gimbal if you're doing like a panning motor on a tripod because basically what happens is the
01:28:28 ◼ ► The image stabilizing the lens will kind of like jump a little bit as like it'll try to correct the pen that you're doing
01:28:34 ◼ ► Reach the end of what it can do and then jump back and then correct it again and then jump back
01:28:39 ◼ ► So you have this kind of jumpy motions in the in the panning motion as it moves and similarly when you're on a gimbal
01:28:47 ◼ ► But again, the phone doesn't know that and so phones that have optical image stabilization during video shots
01:28:53 ◼ ► Which I believe is everything after the seven I think but anyway optical image stabilization during video
01:29:01 ◼ ► It does the same thing where it kind of like jumps a little bit like every every bit of motion
01:29:05 ◼ ► like maybe every second or two you'll have like a little bit like a correction where the
01:29:09 ◼ ► Stabilizer kind of corrects for the motion that just happened. And so what you need to do
01:29:14 ◼ ► I'm not sure you can but what you need to do is disable image stabilization in the phone
01:29:20 ◼ ► When you're using it on a gimbal some somehow there is a I think there's a way if there isn't
01:29:42 ◼ ► One of the biggest effects that video people try to avoid by usually not using autofocus or using it very carefully is
01:29:52 ◼ ► Yeah, this is the thing where the camera like blurs in and blurs out because the camera itself is moving the focal point forward and back
01:30:08 ◼ ► You know that you will you will get it wrong sometimes and had and just have blurry shots that you might not be able to use
01:30:14 ◼ ► Generally an occasional blurry shot that you may have to reshoot or not use or hope nobody notices is
01:30:31 ◼ ► There was one shot toward the end where I where I kind of walked up to the GTI logo that you can
01:30:35 ◼ ► Very clearly see it and I and I noticed it and I thought about cutting it but I felt like
01:30:40 ◼ ► It's it's okay enough to pass my test at least for this video and I didn't want to fight it anymore
01:30:55 ◼ ► I did that with filmic Pro and I did that in such a way that I locked the focus and locked the
01:31:02 ◼ ► exposure because something I noticed as well in prior videos of my own is that there was some not only focus hunting but exposure hunting if
01:31:10 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, where where you know, it's kind of trying to figure out is what what's what is the user focusing on here?
01:31:16 ◼ ► And how how how should I expose the entire image in order to get that thing exposed properly?
01:31:48 ◼ ► But the agreed agreed in this particular case, so yeah. Yeah and in this particular case
01:31:57 ◼ ► Generally speaking. I completely agree with you that the focus. Yeah, sometimes it's great
01:32:01 ◼ ► Sometimes it's not but the exposure is usually very good, but I noticed in prior videos my own that sometimes it isn't
01:32:06 ◼ ► So I should warn you with this next part. I took one video production intro class in college
01:32:16 ◼ ► It's probably oversimplified and actual video people who are listening to this are going to want to kill me
01:32:28 ◼ ► So the idea basically and again people who know what they're talking about. I'm I apologize. I'm very very sorry
01:32:34 ◼ ► I'm probably gonna butcher this and tell him all the wrong information and I'm sure you're gonna write in and tell us the right stuff
01:32:50 ◼ ► The idea is you have a line that's kind of like the plane of what's what you're looking at
01:32:55 ◼ ► Like the like the line between them and the whole idea of doing multi camera with this rule
01:33:09 ◼ ► so like you have half of a circle the people are in like the flat line in the middle of that circle and
01:33:22 ◼ ► You never cross over that line and go behind them. Like what would be like visually behind them?
01:33:42 ◼ ► What am I what perspective am I seeing this from it's disorienting and it looks weird and it doesn't look good and
01:34:09 ◼ ► We're like there were a few cuts that you would do between those two cameras or I would think
01:34:12 ◼ ► Oh that I feel like I'm backwards now like it it was it was a weird cut. Yeah, I can understand that also
01:34:21 ◼ ► It already even one camera. It helps when you're doing a cut to avoid the look of a jump cut
01:34:31 ◼ ► And it's just it's a little different now because now jump cuts are kind of popular among with the popular vloggers
01:34:42 ◼ ► And like it just like the person just kind of jumps instead of looking like an intentional cut where like you change the angle
01:34:53 ◼ ► But there were actually quite a few that I masked by also simultaneously doing a camera cut as well
01:34:59 ◼ ► So I would write I would you know clip a bit of video and then at the moment where I went from
01:35:05 ◼ ► You know the prior bit to the new bit. I would also switch cameras in order to mask that right and so
01:35:11 ◼ ► One of the ways that that when you're doing multi cam like that one of the ways it looks better
01:35:16 ◼ ► and you didn't have this issue so much but I think it would be it would be an improvement is
01:35:27 ◼ ► Like not a small amount like if the two cameras only vary by a small amount. It looks like a jump cut
01:35:42 ◼ ► Because then like basically when you're doing between two cameras the more different the two cameras look without being too disoriented
01:35:50 ◼ ► Like breaking the 180 line the more different they look generally that the better and more professional it looks and the less it will ever
01:35:56 ◼ ► Look like a jump cut. Mmm. So again, sorry film people. I'm probably butchering this. I apologize
01:36:02 ◼ ► You can write in if there's if there's a good resource for Casey to look at that's better than me. Feel free
01:36:12 ◼ ► But also I felt like the angles even though they were so different like the perspective
01:36:18 ◼ ► I was getting it was too similar like your framing between like where you appeared was so similar. Like I felt like
01:36:30 ◼ ► Yeah, and I never really was satisfied with any of the placement I had for the GoPros any of the times
01:36:45 ◼ ► But with the other one I never which it happens to be the silver one because you can see it in
01:36:50 ◼ ► Some of these shots I was never particularly satisfied with where that was and in the in the are I
01:36:58 ◼ ► Which I didn't mind so much because I felt like it was giving a nice perspective of what I was looking at
01:37:04 ◼ ► But it seemed like I was that with that that I was alone in that opinion or maybe not literally alone
01:37:10 ◼ ► I feel like I got a lot of feedback that that people didn't particularly love seeing the side of my face like that and so
01:37:19 ◼ ► Entire like face and some of my body but also see what's going on in front of me and I agree that I was not in
01:37:28 ◼ ► But I couldn't really come up with a better one and maybe the answer is I just give up on showing me at all
01:37:31 ◼ ► And maybe I just have it, you know pointing directly out the front of the car. I'm not sure but this one anything
01:37:45 ◼ ► Like personifies is the word I'm looking for but verbalizes, I guess, you know, the the kind of icky feeling I had about it
01:37:51 ◼ ► I just couldn't figure out how to make it better. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, by the way, thank you very much to Colby
01:37:56 ◼ ► Underscore underscore in the chat room who's linked to something. I didn't know is just a the 30 degree rule which is saying that
01:38:01 ◼ ► The that that basically when you're doing when you're transitioning between two cameras
01:38:18 ◼ ► Like you should move at least 30 degrees with the with the position of second camera from the first one
01:38:35 ◼ ► Problems you're solving as you go like you can see like when you when you watch your videos in order
01:38:51 ◼ ► but that's because like that was I know that was really hard and and and you know and that was that was an area that
01:38:56 ◼ ► Really needed it before and you're pretty good like like the in-car lavalier mic stuff you did was pretty good
01:39:08 ◼ ► Doing some level compression and volume level matching there are ways to do this and various apps and things that I can
01:39:18 ◼ ► Yeah, so like there were there were a few issues of level matching where like, you know
01:39:26 ◼ ► But it was better on this one than it's been in the past videos for sure in that way and the in-car
01:39:40 ◼ ► Mm-hmm was way louder and that you can you can play with the positioning of it and maybe the directionality of it
01:39:47 ◼ ► You can play with that a little bit. Ultimately that always happens with lavaliers to some degree
01:39:51 ◼ ► So what you should probably do there is look into level compression like, you know in volume normalization where like you just compress your level
01:40:13 ◼ ► I I loved the part especially about the transmission preference and like how it made you so uncomfortable to admit like that was really fun
01:40:32 ◼ ► It's like like this is something that you wouldn't get this in like here's the review from you know
01:40:42 ◼ ► You wouldn't get it in like a video like, you know for like every consumer you get it from a car nerd
01:40:48 ◼ ► Like I actually really enjoyed that part to fill in really quickly what you're what Marco is referring to a little bit of spoilers here
01:40:54 ◼ ► But you know, I had this DSG gearbox and or like third one again. No, it is DSG not DCT
01:40:59 ◼ ► I'm trying to train myself. Anyways, the point is I had a two-pedal manual transmission car and in the conclusion
01:41:06 ◼ ► I came to was that I actually preferred the completely automatic ZF8 speed from the Giulia
01:41:13 ◼ ► Over the DSG and the GTI and I kind of talked about and I won't totally spoil it and it'll take a while
01:41:19 ◼ ► but it's supposed to say I talked about that a lot in the video because that was one of the big differences between the
01:41:27 ◼ ► I came to but I actually kind of preferred the automatic which made me feel really gross and icky so that that's what Marco is
01:41:33 ◼ ► I have with with the viewer as as this video is going on and then finally I would just say on the content
01:41:47 ◼ ► Flawless victory in my book. That's extremely good. Yeah when watching almost any video on YouTube
01:41:58 ◼ ► To unhide the time slider and to see how much time is left because I'm getting a little bit bored and that didn't happen
01:42:03 ◼ ► That was I've made it through the entire video not doing that once and that's unusual and that's commendable. So good job
01:42:14 ◼ ► But do you have any thoughts from the brief window of time that you did spend watching it?
01:42:23 ◼ ► Want to applaud the banishment of the ugly parking garage in favor of the nice grassy places
01:42:29 ◼ ► Although I feel bad for whoever's house that was that you got in the shot at some point
01:42:36 ◼ ► But yeah, the car looks so much better on green grass with trees behind it one of your shots. I think your sunroof shot
01:42:41 ◼ ► I love that by the way, the cameras the cameras not level I think by a little bit my bad
01:42:53 ◼ ► Yeah, I haven't heard all the content of it on the camera with the other camera over thing
01:43:00 ◼ ► Trajectories like the actual moves are weird like again with you know, if you're looking up the 180 roll and stuff like that
01:43:07 ◼ ► You'll find like the five basic camera moves or whatever in general stick to the basic cameras and don't have like the one where you're like
01:43:16 ◼ ► Move to the side then go over the railing and then go back down to the ground like all the individual shots
01:43:20 ◼ ► Oh, I like that one. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, but I like the individual components that are good
01:43:28 ◼ ► It's good to go for it go to the side while the car is curving and it's good not to ram into the railing
01:43:37 ◼ ► Yeah, so you know less is more in terms of the camera moves like, you know plot a trajectory and do it
01:43:44 ◼ ► Don't have too many lumps and bumps, you know, or split it up into two shots or whatever
01:43:48 ◼ ► Yeah, I'll watch the rest of it when I get a chance and actually hear what you have to say
01:43:52 ◼ ► I like the wheels on this one. There's different wheels, right? Yeah, these are very standard GTI wheels
01:44:15 ◼ ► Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of type R. It's got these black. It's got these black plastic vent things on the front bumpers
01:44:23 ◼ ► I'm not familiar enough with the type R to know what's what's typical. You know what I mean?
01:44:28 ◼ ► You know, you're familiar enough to know that like a contrasting like fake plastic short
01:44:44 ◼ ► Monstrosity it really is I saw one yesterday. I think it was maybe was today. I saw in the last 24 hours and it is
01:44:58 ◼ ► I don't think I was any stage in my life where I would have liked a car that was that busy
01:45:02 ◼ ► I think busy busy is a very good word for it. I very much like that because that's exactly what it is
01:45:12 ◼ ► Yeah, so the direct is interesting is that it has like the big hood scoop and like you know
01:45:26 ◼ ► But the key is that all that crap on the Civic is fake like none of those vents lead anywhere nothing
01:45:35 ◼ ► Was an actual hood scoop that you know led to the engine and wasn't just like a big black plastic thing
01:45:40 ◼ ► And I think that kind of makes a difference like that for all the ridiculousness if it's functional then it starts to be reasonable
01:46:02 ◼ ► I think you should use the lab for the whole thing or whatever it takes to get them to sound the same
01:46:05 ◼ ► I use the lab for the whole thing in and in fact, well then then it must be just your energy level
01:46:10 ◼ ► the only way to really make it sound that consistent is to read the entire script in one session like
01:46:40 ◼ ► But that's a that's like it requires you to basically write the entire video script ahead of time
01:46:51 ◼ ► Like how much time you can spend on this how much you know how many videos you should be putting out?
01:47:01 ◼ ► Like you should just be making more and accepting that the audio will sound different between different sessions
01:47:11 ◼ ► That's what you have to do record the entire audio as like one long stand-up shot and that's not gonna happen
01:47:20 ◼ ► The energy level like if you're not being quiet to try not to wake up kids like the other way
01:47:25 ◼ ► You know this time that was it in the I know I know but I'm saying like it was closer this time
01:47:31 ◼ ► Maybe it felt more like you're reading something because you were versus when you're not
01:47:34 ◼ ► I mean the other way to go is you can embrace the difference and have the audio the voiceover audio sound intentionally very different
01:47:48 ◼ ► Voiceover video is usually like boom year and more distance and doesn't have background noise
01:47:54 ◼ ► So it's like the live and then the voice of God than the live the voice of God like you can go that direction
01:48:01 ◼ ► That you can tell they're trying to be similar, but they're not and it might just be a performance thing
01:48:06 ◼ ► But anyway, I think that's still I think to work on I like it. I your your ATP sure it looks very very clean and neat
01:48:15 ◼ ► Use that probably too much for these videos, but I know you should use all the time. It's great. Yeah, you got to promote
01:48:23 ◼ ► Mark are you that you enjoyed it and I think that my favorite piece of feedback that you've given me is that you didn't have
01:48:31 ◼ ► That is that is a victory in my book and and yeah, I think you nailed it with the GoPro positioning
01:48:39 ◼ ► And I would actually love particularly via Twitter. I'd love feedback on this. Like what is what are the right places?
01:48:49 ◼ ► Yeah, exactly tons of in-car shots and like you don't think about where the cameras are
01:48:53 ◼ ► But the fact that you don't think about it means they must have nailed some good angles
01:48:56 ◼ ► So just watch some of your favorite car views and then back back solve and say where is the camera for this shot?
01:49:15 ◼ ► a bunch of footage with the camera in one specific spot and then they film a separate batch of footage with a camera in a
01:49:23 ◼ ► So they're going through there should be on multiple times, right? Exactly. Exactly. So which is fine
01:49:40 ◼ ► setups that I can use and and I have obviously mounted GoPro's outside the car because some of the shots you've seen in this video and
01:50:18 ◼ ► Really want to find preferably in-car places that I can mount GoPro's that that really work
01:50:24 ◼ ► Well, and so I'm gonna have to look at this 180 degree rule and 30 degree rule and see what I see what I can make
01:50:35 ◼ ► Appreciate Marco doing your homework because I know how much of a slog that is for you is doing any homework
01:50:39 ◼ ► But I appreciate it and John I know you're a busy busy B, so I'll give you a pass this once
01:51:00 ◼ ► I know you have uneven cooking in the oven but like is this the type of meal where you're like
01:51:03 ◼ ► No, they need to be super evenly cooked. We got to rotate them like how uneven is the cooking in your oven?
01:51:08 ◼ ► It's gonna ruin the chicken nuggets they're very delicate meal it's like souffles and chicken nuggets. That's what they say both very very sensitive
01:51:17 ◼ ► This from the guy who like the one time I tried to make kids macaroni and cheese in your kitchen
01:51:22 ◼ ► I tried to like hand it off to you like halfway through and you're like, well, you've already ruined it