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- I was thinking the Mac Pro design speculation,
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that could be pretty much any time before WDC probably.
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- Every time, every day is Mac Pro speculation day.
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- Oh, (bleep) me.
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- I was thinking too, like I probably,
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like we probably have done too much Mac Pro stuff recently,
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so we could use it like a few weeks break from that.
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- Oh, thank God.
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(electronic beeping)
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- We should start with follow up.
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Peter Van Broekhoven has some thoughts
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about Apple's hesitation to do battery replacements.
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And he writes in that one of the reasons that they really don't like to do battery replacements
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is that if they can't get the battery out cleanly, then they'll replace the whole phone,
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but they'll do it for the cost of just that battery replacement.
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So he said he had an older phone, I think he said like a 5S or something like that,
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that he still was running on the original battery, went to the Apple store.
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He asked them to replace the battery, they botched it, and so he got himself a brand
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new 5s for 90 whatever dollars or $30 whatever the cost is now and that that
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explains to me anyway why they're super reticent to be doing battery
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replacements unless they're really sure it's necessary yeah you know even if
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you're willing to pay like oh you know just take my money I'm willing to pay
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for the battery placements like yeah but this battery placement could change from
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even from an $80 bill with the old price into something that costs Apple you know
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several hundred dollars to give you basically a brand new phone because they
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get the battery out. But it could be argued, well, Apple's your stupid fault for making phones that
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you can't get the batteries out of without destroying them, so maybe the next time you
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design a phone, make it easier to get the battery in and out. And they probably have, because he's
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talking about a 5s, and there's been many phones since then. And so designing phones for serviceability
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is, I think, something that Apple has been... I think it's probably like an arc. Like, the first
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ones were probably reasonably serviceable just because they were simpler, and then they probably
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probably got a lot less serviceable as they got thinner and more complicated and I feel
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like now they're going the opposite direction of yeah we want to make them thin and compact
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but also try to do the best we can for serviceability.
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So really Apple is you know they're just making problems for themselves.
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They continue to make things that are always glued together and have little ribbon connectors
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that are all taped and glued on with adhesives that age and everything like that's that's
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their own fault so I feel like they have to either just eat this cost or do better about
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making serviceable phones, because they're the ones servicing them.
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>> moving on, we have some news about iOS 11.3, which we'll talk about later, but one
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of the things that's come out over the last week is that 11.3 will let users turn off
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the battery performance throttling.
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And I don't really understand this.
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If the choice is your phone spontaneously dying or just being very slow, I'll go with
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very slow, but I say this from the position of not really had a phone that's gotten this
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performance throttling, so maybe I don't really understand how unbelievably unbearable the
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throttling is.
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But regardless, 11.3 will add new features to show the battery health and recommend if
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a battery needs to be serviced.
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That'll be found in Settings, Battery, and are available for the iPhone 6 and later.
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Furthermore, users can now see if the power management feature that dynamically manages
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maximum performance to prevent unexpected shutdowns,
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which was introduced in 10.2.1 is on,
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and they can choose whether or not to turn it off.
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This feature can be found in Settings Battery as well,
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and is also available from the 6 and up.
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- Yeah, so this is not a great fix to this problem
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or solution to this need to users.
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It is possible that they needed to do it this way
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to have that off switch for some kind of legal or lawsuit
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or regulatory compliance reason.
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They've gotten a lot of crap for this
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from a lot of different places,
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a lot of different countries,
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but just as a user experience,
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having a switch to let your phone randomly shut down
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seems very, an Apple-like and not a great experience,
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but ultimately, I think,
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and it seems like this is very much a like,
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Steve Jobs, you're holding your iPhone 4 wrong
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kind of response from Apple.
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- You want a free bumper?
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Fine, take a free bumper.
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- We've heard it from a lot of people.
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Why don't you just give everybody a case?
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Okay, great.
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Let's give everybody a case.
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- Yeah, like their general response and tone
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with this is not good.
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That interview Tim Cook gave.
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- I think it's better than the Steve Jobs tone,
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don't you think?
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'Cause he was actually pretty obnoxious and snarky
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and everything, every communication I've seen about this
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has been fairly magnanimous and understanding.
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The feature itself may seem snarky,
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but I don't think the communication has been
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Steve Jobs level, you want a bumper, fine,
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here's a free bumper.
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- I thought the Tim Cook quote about it
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in that interview a few days ago was pretty bad.
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- Oh, people not understanding yet.
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Tim Cook had a couple of statements to the media, but like--
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- Honestly, Tim Cook should not talk to the media.
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Like I really, he does, honestly, I'm serious.
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He does not come off well in these kind of interviews
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whenever he's asked anything of substance.
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It does not come off well.
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- Well, usually his problem is that he's just bland
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and doesn't say anything, right?
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but this is a rare case where he showed a little bit of teeth and was like,
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I just think maybe people just didn't really understand or weren't paying
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attention. It was just such BS. Like that's why he should not open his mouth.
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But most of the time it's merely what he says has no new information and it's
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just kind of platitudes, right? So the platitudes one isn't harmful.
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And I think maybe that's actually a good way to communicate with the people in
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those venues. But it's not like Apple fans, you know,
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it's just like whoever's watching, you know, CNN or whatever,
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whatever news network he's on at that moment.
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I think that's a fine communication.
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It's boring, we're not interested in it,
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and he's not gonna say anything new.
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The snark shows little personality,
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but not when he's off base.
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But I think that the strangest bit of communication,
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this actually started in follow-up
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as a story about Tim's communication.
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It changed into now that we have the actual release notes
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for the 11.3 Beta into a more concrete story.
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But the original story was Tim Cook was on a news show,
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and yeah, he did his normal platitudes
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that he normally does,
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just sort of speaking in generalities
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about stuff that Close Apple followers
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already knew. But then he mentioned something about being able to turn off the battery throttling.
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And that's not what Apple's press release said, like way back when they talked about
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this. The press release said, "Oh, we're going to have new battery information," and all
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this stuff. But it didn't say anything about being able to turn it off. So it was like,
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is he misremembering what they planned to do? Maybe they talked about having an off
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switch and he's just misremembering it. So it's like, no, he's much more controlled than
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that. But then he's essentially breaking Apple News on a random cable news channel. He pre-announced
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features of the iOS 11.3 beta, like a couple days ahead of time, which is weird for Apple.
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So the original story was going to be, "Is he misremembering, or is this the thing they're
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going to do?" But now the story is, Tim Cook is breaking news about Apple on cable news
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shows, which is weird.
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Well, I mean, I think that's his prerogative.
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Oh yeah, no, it's totally up, but it's definitely a change, and it makes me wonder, like, is
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that like the new version of the controlled leak to the Wall Street Journal, where they
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just send Tim out and tell him to say that?
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- I mean, this is not the first time
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that an Apple executive has broken some news
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in an interview like this that seems pretty clearly
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planned that way.
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- I mean, minor news is not big news, but still.
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- Honestly, that is minor news.
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I mean, the big news was the problem at all,
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how they're solving it in these various ways
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is fairly small news.
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But I do think, though, just going back
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to the actual feature and solution here,
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I don't think this is quite enough.
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What this is basically saying is,
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if this is happening to you,
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we will now display that in this settings battery panel
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that nobody ever knows about or goes to.
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And we'll display it there and so you'll have to
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check there to see if it's happening.
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That's not good enough, 'cause most people
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will never think to check there or won't know
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how to check there or won't, you know,
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they just think my phone is slow, I need to buy a new one.
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So really, I think users need to be notified in some way
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when their phone reaches a state in which
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this setting is turned on for them.
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And I tweeted this earlier, a lot of people misunderstood,
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I wasn't clear enough.
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I'm not saying that every time the CPU gets throttled,
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they should get another notification.
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- That would be a lot of dialogue boxes.
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- Yeah, what I'm saying is that at some point,
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when your phone has reached some kind of metric
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as measured by the battery or whatever,
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at some point, this setting gets turned on for you
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without you knowing.
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That needs to be a user notification when that happens.
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- And it might be, to be clear,
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we don't know that that's not happening.
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The release notes just say that there's a setting.
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For all we know, there is a notification
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and there is a battery indicator in the status bar.
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Those things could both be true.
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They just might not merit mentioning here.
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So the only way, unfortunately,
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the only way we'll be able to find out,
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unless there's a way you can do this in simulator,
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is for someone to have a phone that's on the threshold
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between like, they'll go to the battery setting screen
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and they'll say, "Ooh, I'm right on the border
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where it's gonna yell at me,"
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if they show some kind of bar graph or something,
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and then just abuse the phone
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until it crosses that threshold
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and see if you get an alert of any kind.
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- And in a surprising stroke of good news
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for John, your ancient cheese grater is running LCAP, is it not?
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And you got a little present recently.
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Tell me about this.
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I didn't get it because I haven't installed it, but Meltdown inspector fixes have been
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backported all the way back to LCAP10 and Sierra, and of course High Sierra, which is
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I think standard.
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What they usually do is they backport it to a few recent versions.
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If you're much farther back from that, you don't get the fix.
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I almost don't want to install the fix just so I can get that extra speed which I so desperately
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need in my 10 year old computer.
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Yeah, this will push you over the edge.
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Yeah, but I haven't installed it yet.
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But anyway, in case you were wondering, yes, the fix is back ported.
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I already have the Safari update which I feel like is maybe just as important because the
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So we got some news over the last few days.
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We've gotten some news about iOS 11.3, but we're going to talk about that a little later.
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But perhaps more interestingly, he says with little confidence, the HomePod has been officially
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officially announced.
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It will start shipping on February 9th.
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The pre-orders will open, or I guess it's not really pre-orders, it doesn't matter.
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Anyway, the orders will open this coming Friday,
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which at this point may have already happened
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by the time you're listening to this.
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And we don't really know a whole heck of a lot else.
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- This is the kind of product that theoretically
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I should be excited about.
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Many of us, I think, should be excited about this.
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But it just seems like it's had such a clumsy release cycle,
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and we know so little about it,
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that it's really hard to get excited about it
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because it seems like it's coming out late
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And some key features are not launching yet,
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they're coming later this year or whatever.
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And we still don't really know much about it.
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There's still no reviews,
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there's been no hands-on or anything.
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There was a very brief press demo last summer at WWDC
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when they announced it, but it was extremely limited
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and there was no speech, it was just music playback.
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So there's some really big question marks about this product
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that we just don't know yet.
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Now we could listen back to this in a few weeks
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when people have this, and it's amazing.
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And we could listen back to anything we say now
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and be like, "Lol, they were so wrong, we were so wrong,
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"I can't believe we all thought this product
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"would be weird or suck."
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You know, it could turn out amazing, we don't know yet.
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But it's just weird that there's this product
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that I think a lot of us thought would be
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a major product launch that is kind of just like
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stumbling out the door in this clumsy fashion
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and it's gonna launch incomplete.
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In its state on launch day,
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there are so many missing features and limitations
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that I think the potential market for it
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is not gonna be that big.
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Now over time, as they lift these limitations, we'll see.
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It's probably gonna get popular eventually.
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It might not, but I think the chances are more likely
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than not that it will work long term.
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It's just weird that it's launching
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in such a clumsy fashion and in such an incomplete state
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- I don't question it that much because
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this is a market that Apple is late to.
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It's other competitors.
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Amazon Echo was obviously the first,
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let's all talk to our cylinder.
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And it was out there for a while
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before Google launched its clone.
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And finally, Apple handles it.
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And those are the big three tech companies.
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And Apple took the longest to decide,
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yes, we're gonna make a cylinder that you talk to
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that connects to our streaming music service.
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And so everyone else has a big head start on them.
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Everyone else was shipping.
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A couple of companies have had multiple revisions
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and multiple products and diversified their product lines.
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Even Google has a big one and a little one now
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and an even bigger one that sounds fancy.
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So other companies have not just done the product
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for longer, but have had more revisions.
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And this is a case where it just seemed to me that Apple,
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I mean, Apple is very often late to market, right?
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But in this case, Apple, it seemed like it felt self-conscious, like,
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we're late, but we want you to know that we are,
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we do want to compete in an argument, but we're not ready yet.
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So they had to like pre-announce it. Now I think they pre,
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they didn't expect it to be this late. Right? So you make your bet. You're like,
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oh, we can announce this now and we think it'll be ready. You know,
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not that long from now, like within the window of like reasonableness.
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But obviously they they've missed that window and it's pretty darn late at this
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point. And you know,
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how can it be late if they never told you exactly when it would be available,
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just in terms of, practically speaking,
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if you have such a limited pre-announcement of a product
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and then say nothing about it for like six months,
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that's not good timing, it's not good PR.
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You wanna get people interested about a product
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and slowly dole out news building up to a launch,
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not show people barely anything
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and then don't say anything about it for many, many months.
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That's just bad PR.
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So that's why we say, oh, it feels like it's late.
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That if you had a choice,
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that's not how you do a PR rollout.
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So, you know, why did they announce it so early?
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To me, my read on that is they felt pressure
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to get their foot in the market ASAP,
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put their quarter on the video game machine or whatever,
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say, I've got next, right?
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We're gonna be there and not just like in a vague way,
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but here's the actual thing we're gonna ship.
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It looks like this, it sounds like this,
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it probably does other things, but don't ask us now, right?
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And they had an opportunity to announce that,
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And so they did.
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And I think that is, you know, it's a sign,
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it's an acknowledgement that Apple agrees with us
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that they are behind and late in this market
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versus a more confident Apple that could say,
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yeah, other people have done stuff,
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but we think all the solutions they've done are crappy
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and we don't feel any pressure to tell you
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that we're gonna enter this market.
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We're gonna show you our awesome thing
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when we're ready to see it.
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It doesn't matter how late we are.
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That's the other strategy that it could have taken
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and they have as many other things,
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but not with this, with this one they said,
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"We really feel like we need to tell you
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"that we're gonna be in this market with this thing."
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So that is not a confident move.
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That doesn't project confidence anyway.
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And what they had to demo was not like,
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they didn't have anything to say or demo
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that knocked our socks off either.
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So it was kind of weird.
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And now that they're gonna roll this thing out,
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it's like a major new product line
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that will end up rolling out without Apple
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ever having gone up on a stage and told us all the things
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that this product can do.
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'Cause they went up on a stage and told us
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very limited things about this product,
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specifically about the audio, but not much else.
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And then many, many months pass,
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and then here's the product, right?
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And people will get, you know, reviews.
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I'm sure there'll be reviews coming out of the thing
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around lunchtime or whatever, but never did Apple go up
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in any side of special press presentation or anything
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and say, "Let's just run down everything about this."
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They do it with all the phones, with all the iPads,
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Even with most of the Macs, here's all the features, here's all the specs, here's all
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the things about this thing, here's what it can do.
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They never did that for this product, which is weird.
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Even something like a hobby product like the Apple TV, they went up on stage and said,
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here's Apple TV, you know, this is what it does, this is what it looks like, this is
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how much it costs, it runs, you know, Mac OS 10.4 inside, don't tell anybody.
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It's Mac OS 10, 10.4, I know, too many 10s.
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didn't do that this product at all. So yeah, I'm kind of the same mind of Marco. This could
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be awesome and everybody could love it. And in particular, if I'm trying to think of ways
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that this product could be awesome, that we are underestimating right now, is potentially
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just the hardware, the stuff that Apple has shown. They've shown like, oh, it's got speakers
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and microphones and blah, blah, blah.
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Well, and like their engineering in regards to audio and sound quality in recent years
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has been awesome.
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Like they have dramatically improved the speakers
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in most of their products that have speakers.
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- Including the phones.
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- Yeah, including the phones.
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Like they've really done a lot in the areas
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of audio and speaker engineering recently.
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So I have full confidence in their proclamations
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that it is going to sound amazing,
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that it is gonna be super advanced
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in the way it measures a room
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and bounces sound off of walls.
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I bet it will sound amazing.
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But that is just one aspect of this product
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and there are so many other ones that either
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sound kind of bad or that are just giant question marks.
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- Yeah, and like the thing about this product is,
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I'm trying to think of, you know,
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it does this track with like the Apple TV.
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The thing about the Apple TV is,
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they didn't get the hardware right for a long time.
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They took the wrong approach, the wrong OS,
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the wrong size, you know, the really early one
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was like a little bit too early.
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The puck, I think they hit on with everybody else.
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the better size and price for this kind of a product, then they took too long to
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come up with 4k, but now that they've settled down like hardware wise it's
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reasonable, especially now that they have frame rate matching more on
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that in a little bit. With this product I feel like it's possible that they have
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more or less gotten the hardware right on the first try. That the sound output
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It looks impressive and can justify the price because it's got a lot of little speakers
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and a lot of hardware to be able to do all the magic to make it sound good.
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I think it also has a lot of microphones and it hopefully does a good job with them, which
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is the other important part of this hardware.
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It's taking a clear stand about what it's supposed to be, not having a screen of any
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It's basically speakers and a microphone.
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The software side is where we know they have gaps because here's the features that they
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sort of talked about but aren't even going to ship until later, but it is possible that
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Apple can essentially slowly catch up without actually revising this hardware but merely
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by shipping regular software updates to make this thing more and more capable and improving
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Siri and all the other stuff behind the scenes.
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Like in other words, do you think after this ships there will be some kind of pressing
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need for a revised HomePod?
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I think this hardware could potentially last a long time.
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They just have to update the software.
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So that's not, it's not ideal, right?
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But it does mean that if they can sell these things
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and then improve them over time,
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they can build up some loyalty by people,
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yeah, I bought this product and it was limited
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and now it gets better and better as I use it.
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And a year from now, they could be selling
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the quote unquote exact same HomePod
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and it could be a way better product than it is now.
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Because I don't think that there's some essential
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hardware feature that this doesn't have
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and especially if the audio is really good,
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It could, you know, certainly it will have better sound
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than like the $100 things like an Echo or a cheap Google Home.
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Maybe it'll even have better sound
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than an even more expensive Sonos.
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It's just a matter of them getting
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their software story together.
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And they can do that, not at their leisure,
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but they can do that without revising this product,
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you know, essentially.
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So I was gonna get one.
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- I don't know, I was just about to say like,
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I'm sure knowing me, I will end up buying one
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because this is the moment as always,
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I say, oh, I don't really think it's interesting.
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- You have to, because we all have cylinders but you.
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So you're cylinderless, so you need to,
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we'll cover the whole ecosystem.
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Mark, I'll have Amazon, I'll have Google,
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and you'll have Apple.
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- Also, until I have a way to interact with it
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as a developer, I don't think I'm gonna buy one.
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Because there's not a place in my life
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where this makes sense right now.
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And of course that might change,
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but right now, given its current limitations,
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one of the big things is, yeah,
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maybe you can replace your TV's speakers with it.
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well you can't have a stereo pair yet, right?
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So like, because AirPlay 2,
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which we'll get to in a little while,
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AirPlay 2 is not yet shipping.
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So one of the things you can't do
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is have a stereo pair of these things
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acting as two stereo speakers.
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So that rules out a lot of that already.
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And it also, there's no line in.
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Like the only way you can receive audio
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is either via Siri playing things from Apple Music
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or via AirPlay, and right now just AirPlay 1,
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which has some limitations and everything.
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But, and one limitation by the way,
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is a fixed two second latency.
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So, even if you do some kind of crazy thing
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where you have something beaming other audio,
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like from your other home theater components,
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via some kind of airplay bridge to this thing,
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the latency would be too high,
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even for TVs to compensate for it.
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So, there's basically no good way
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to get the rest of your audio from your TV to this.
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The Apple TV can allegedly airplay to it
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and use it as speakers,
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and that's probably gonna be nice for,
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you know, AirPlay 2, when that comes out,
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that's gonna be low latency and everything.
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But that's, so you could do it if the only input
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that, to your TV, like if the only source of sound
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that you wanna hear from this is an Apple TV,
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you could theoretically have that kind of setup.
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But if you have anything else, a game console,
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other streaming boxes, a DVD player, a Blu-ray player,
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like if you have anything else that you wanna plug into this
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you're out of luck.
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A Sonos Connect bridge maybe.
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But it's like--
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- Do people use the competing devices as this?
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'cause I would never think about playing my TV through this.
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I also wouldn't think about playing my TV
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through an Amazon Echo or through a Google Home,
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even the big speaker one.
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I also wouldn't play my TV
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through any of the little Sonos things.
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Yeah, Sonos makes a soundbar that I play my TV through.
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- Sonos makes a soundbar, and the soundbar
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can also use the little Sonos speakers as satellite speakers.
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So you can't, and people do that.
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So Sonos has solutions to this.
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Other, and like, I feel, and Amazon and Google Home,
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I feel like the kind of speakers that they sell in volume
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don't really lend themselves to this.
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They're too small, but it doesn't really matter
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'cause they're more made for a kitchen or a counter
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or something like that.
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But if you're gonna have a larger and more expensive speaker
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that focuses on sound quality,
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one of the big places you'd put it is for your TV.
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You'd replace the speakers for your TV.
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- This isn't that much bigger though.
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- Well. - It's not that.
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Like I'd say it's in between,
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I don't even think it's as big as the Google big speaker,
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whatever they call that one,
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big rectangular Google one. I think it's smaller than that. Like, I'm trying to recall seeing
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a WWDC and I think I was struck by how much smaller it was than I thought. Certainly bigger
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than an Echo and also bigger than the traditional little Google Home thing, not the Mini but
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the regular size one. But I don't think it's as big as the Sonos Play 5. I don't know.
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When Casey gets his, we'll ask him to measure it.
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- Regardless, so like, for the market they're selling to,
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which is sound quality and middle,
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kind of the middle of the price range there,
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I think a lot of people would want it
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to be that home theater role and it can't do that.
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So, again, that limits the market.
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It also limits the market that it only supports Apple Music
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and not other streaming services so far.
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And other streaming services can airplay to it,
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but so far they won't be able to do Siri.
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And now I kind of wonder if I'm ever gonna get
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overcast Siri intents because anything that would enable
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overcast would also enable Spotify,
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and maybe they don't want that for the HomePod.
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Maybe they wanna sell the HomePod only for Apple Music
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and lock that together to boost the sales of Apple Music.
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- This is like the, we talked about this before
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with the cylinders and stuff, but this is like
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the omnivorous box TV problem all over again.
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What consumers want is a speaker,
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like some kind of speaker thing that they buy
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that they can talk to that can also play
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any audio from anywhere, right?
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And nobody offers that.
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It's all a bunch of islands, you know.
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Some of them come close,
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like I think the Sonos can play a lot of stuff,
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but can it do Apple Music by voice command?
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I don't know.
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- Yes, oh wait, no, it can do Apple Music.
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I don't think it can do it by voice command yet.
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- It's a weird integration.
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The Sonos product has weird limits.
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- But Sonos is getting closer
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because Sonos doesn't have a dog
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in the streaming service fight.
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So like whatever, we'll play Amazon service,
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we'll play Google Play Music,
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play Apple Music if all those companies will let us.
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But everybody else has their own preferred streaming service and is at varying degrees
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restrictive, you know, or they're not letting each other play in each other's stuff.
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So it's not like you just pick the speaker you like best, right?
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And say, "Oh, I'm just going to pick this speaker.
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It looks the best and it sounds the best," which would be good for Apple.
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Like if Apple's going to compete on audio, they could say, "Look, we have the best sounding
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speaker, the best balance of speaker performance and price, $350 for something that sounds
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better than a $500 Sonos.
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But if it also comes with, "Oh, but the only things you can hear over it are this very,
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very limited set of things we allow you to hear.
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No line-in and stuff like that."
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Although, honestly, I still think that it's not an intended purpose for this thing to
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be a TV speaker, but a stereo speaker like, "Hey, this is the sound system for my small
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apartment and I can play my music on it."
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Well, that's the thing.
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If they're going to promote it as audio quality, you can't connect a CD player or a…
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You can't even click your record player.
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- If this is truly going to appeal to people
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who can drop $350 on a speaker who wants something cool
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and nice and hip for a part of their home
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that isn't their TV, a lot of people would want
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to connect a vinyl player to it.
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Or people want to connect other--
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- You're still doing vinyl player,
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I can't pay for the club if you're doing it as a joke.
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I think you're not.
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- Sorry, a turn player.
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- A turn table, oh my god, Marco.
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- This week at Marco's Vinyl Arc.
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'Cause they don't have corners, so anyway.
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People wanna connect other components
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to really good speakers.
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Sure, not all people, but what I'm saying is basically
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this market is being limited by the limitations of this
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device, I think pretty severely.
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I think this device is very boxed in right now
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with its limitations.
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It's appealing to people who like to listen to
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streaming music via voice, but only Apple Music,
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And the voice service is probably gonna be
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a little bit iffy because that's how Siri has been.
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So it's gonna be probably a mediocre voice service.
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It's not gonna have a lot of integrations
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with other things that we tend to use these for,
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like various smart home devices and everything.
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You'll have some, but it's not gonna have
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as much as an Echo or things like that.
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It's not gonna have almost any third party services
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that can integrate with it.
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Anything you ask it to do that is not playing music
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is probably going to fail mysteriously in weird ways
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'cause that's how Siri tends to operate.
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Even if you get it just for Apple Music
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or for Air Playing stuff too,
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which is going to be clumsy for the next six months or so,
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this is for people who are okay spending
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that amount of money on it,
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who don't already have other kinds of speakers
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that also sound good,
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and who don't want a stereo pair,
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'cause it can't stereo pair yet.
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So it's like, you care about sound quality,
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but not enough to have a stereo pair.
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And so again, it's just more and more boxing in,
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boxing it in, boxing it in, boxing it in.
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So I think it's gonna start out pretty slowly.
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And maybe in a year it'll have all these features
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and it'll be much better and maybe there'll be
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another model that's a different price or a different size
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or something that would expand the market a little bit more.
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But I think it's gonna have a really slow start.
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- Yeah, some of the other Apple-specific features
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are like, all right, so granted we don't have
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all that third-party stuff, but what can it do
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that no other device can do aside from, you know,
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obviously very tight integration with Apple Music
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and of course Siri.
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Handing off your phone call to the HomePod
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apparently something else you can do, obviously from your iPhone only, but if you're on a
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phone call that you start on your iPhone and you come into the house and you want to hand
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it off to the iPod for a speakerphone conversation, which I think is a good application of a good
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speaker and a good set of microphones so you can wander around, talk and pace like an important
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executive as you discuss things.
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That's something other devices don't have.
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And of course they're playing up the privacy angle of like, we're not going to upload every
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single thing you say to our servers and keep it there forever and all that business.
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And they do try to tout that anyone can talk to it and that it can play things from Apple
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Music even if you're not there, which is something so absurd that I wouldn't even think about
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it until Apple reassured me that it's not the case.
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Like, "Oh, I guess they could have done that.
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Boy, that would have been dumb, but they're not."
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Well, but there is a big question mark on that, though.
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It can play Apple Music when you're not there, but apparently it does a lot of the Siri processing
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on the phone, on the phone that's paired to it, and it's only one person's phone, of
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So the question is, how much can it do if that phone,
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like suppose the phone that's paired to it
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is your spouse's phone, and your spouse leaves the house.
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How much does this function?
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We don't know.
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- Yeah, there's also the question that a lot of people had
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of people like me who are not yet
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in the streaming music world,
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but who have their own music collections.
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So I have my music collection on my phone,
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which consists of things ripped from CDs,
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plus things purchased from iTunes.
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My wife has her collection, my kids have their collections.
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- I have my giant fish collection.
00:31:11
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What if you want to play something from one of those collections that doesn't exist on Apple music?
00:31:16
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Is there any mechanism for that?
00:31:17
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I think your only option is to airplay it from iTunes or your phone, but you can't the home pod can't call it up
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by a voice right but Apple in my case since I'm an iTunes match subscriber
00:31:27
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Apple has all of my music in the cloud and it knows it belongs to me
00:31:31
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But I'm pretty sure the home pod has no idea that I'm talking to it like that that feature is only recently
00:31:35
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You're in the services division. That's that's the world of walls and silos. That's like
00:31:41
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Your app, your iTunes match silo is over there rotting in the corner with really big thick walls
00:31:46
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nobody can get into so they built this new silo over here for rap music and other stuff and God knows what's gonna be
00:31:50
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next and it's you know, don't expect any of this stuff to talk to each other.
00:31:54
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Yeah, so but you know, we don't know what all the limitations are, but it seems like there's a lot of them
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but I still keep coming back to if they got the hardware right and of all all the speakers and the microphones are all great
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there's no reason they can't knock down these limitations one by one and eventually have a
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competitive product. And I keep comparing it to Apple TV because they didn't have the choice with
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Apple TV. They got the hardware so wrong in the beginning. It took them a long time to get it
00:32:16
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right. And now I feel like they're finally at the, you know, the fat part of the curve with Apple TV,
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where they can start knocking down the software features and, you know, becoming competitive. Yes,
00:32:26
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they're premium price, but now they have some, you know, they have 4K support. They have, you know,
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features that video files care about, like the frame rate matching. They have an application
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ecosystem, you know, they're improving in that area. And this HomePod, like best case scenario,
00:32:44
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it launches, it sounds really good, but it's super limited and not a lot of people buy it.
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And then over the course of the next year, all they do is make the software better.
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And, you know, it might take a while, like how long did it take, you know, Google Home just,
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I think, last year or so, got the feature where it understands that there are different people
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talking to it and can understand who that person is. Hopefully it won't take
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Apple as long as it took Google to do that. But I see potential as
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long as the hardware is right. But all that said, I'm not running out to buy
00:33:17
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this hardware. Only Casey is. So, you know, a lot of people are gonna wait
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until they have the complete story and not just buy it based on the promise.
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As they should. So I've been thinking about this a little bit over the last
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couple of days since this news is broken and I am not ordering a home pod
00:33:34
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immediately. I will probably, knowing me, order one not too long after immediately
00:33:38
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because the FOMO will get to me. But I think the thing that appeals to me in
00:33:44
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principle is that I do trust Apple to make really clever and good choices with
00:33:51
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regard to audio fidelity. And although I am perfectly happy listening to music or
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podcasts on speakers that are truly and utterly terrible. That doesn't mean I
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don't also appreciate some really really great speakers as well. And what I have
00:34:07
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in our home theater is not great. It is sufficient. I don't even know what it is.
00:34:11
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It was like a Denon, Denon, whatever it's called, like home theater in a box from
00:34:15
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probably 10 plus years ago. It is sufficient. But I have no doubt that one
00:34:21
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or particularly a pair of home pods would be considerably better sounding. And that would be
00:34:29
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appealing to me, but knowing that I won't be able to play Spotify easily without air playing, to
00:34:35
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Marco's point, knowing I won't be able to say, "Hey, Dingus, can you play me such and such song by
00:34:42
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such and such artists without being an Apple Music subscriber, which I'm not," like, all of these
00:34:47
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things make it not terribly appealing. And I don't also, I don't have anything connected
00:34:51
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to HomeKit right now. I have several devices that I could connect to HomeKit via $50 bridges,
00:34:58
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but I have nothing that's natively connecting to HomeKit at the moment.
00:35:02
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I have a few. You're missing nothing.
00:35:03
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Well, okay, fair enough. I don't really... Sitting here now, and this is when we'll play
00:35:08
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this back, you know, Marc will do the "diddle-doo, diddle-doo" in like three weeks when I say
00:35:12
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I just bought one. But sitting here now, I don't really see any draw other than just
00:35:19
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getting a really great set of speakers. And that definitely intrigues me, and it's definitely
00:35:24
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interesting. But I have a sufficient set of speakers that's zero dollars because we bought
00:35:30
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them ten years ago. Actually, I think they were a gift. But anyways, we already have
00:35:34
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them, I don't know that one $350 speaker is going to sound better, enough better to justify
00:35:42
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it than our "free" speakers that we have now.
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So I'm curious to see what real world people say after these are in the wild, but I don't
00:35:52
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I think the reviews would have to be pretty stellar for me to start saying, "Oh wow, I
00:35:55
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really screwed up on this one as with every other Apple product.
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I need one."
00:35:58
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Let me reiterate one last time.
00:36:00
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It is an inappropriate application.
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- We have some news, as I've been alluding to for a while,
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for iOS 11.3.
00:37:49
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So in a slightly surprising move,
00:37:52
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Apple has made a kind of sort of PR site.
00:37:56
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It's actually just a news article,
00:37:58
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but it's almost like a mini site about iOS 11.3.
00:38:02
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So the headline is, "Major Updates to ARKit,
00:38:05
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Messages and More Coming this Spring."
00:38:08
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And they start off by telling us,
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"We're getting a lion animoji.
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We're getting a dragon.
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We're getting a skull."
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And I thought there was one other.
00:38:16
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What am I forgetting? - Is the dragon an emoji?
00:38:17
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This is my problem of not knowing
00:38:18
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what the plural of an emoji.
00:38:20
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Including new animoji.
00:38:22
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Does that mean more than one?
00:38:23
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>> Four new.
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iOS 11.3 includes four new Animoji.
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Giving iOS -- excuse me, iPhone 10 users the ability to express themselves as lion, bear,
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dragon or skull.
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>> Oh, I see it later in the later section.
00:38:35
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The lion is up top.
00:38:38
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Yeah, that's the most important new feature as far as I'm aware for most people.
00:38:42
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>> I know you're probably snarking.
00:38:44
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And the thing is I actually really do still like Animoji, but that being said, I haven't
00:38:49
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sent or received an animoji in like a month or two.
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- You just like knowing that they exist.
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- Yeah, yeah, they're cute.
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They're cute in their little animoji drawer.
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They're waiting for me if I need them.
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No, I don't know, I was thinking about it
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even before this announcement that I really do think
00:39:03
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it's cute and clever, but I don't often find myself
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in a position that A, it's not socially awkward
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to create and send one, and B, that I even think
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to do it in the first place.
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I really do think it's a good idea.
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I don't fault them for the idea,
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and I like that they're adding more animoji.
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And in fact, I think I tweeted a while back that it would be cool if they had seasonal
00:39:23
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Like, you could only do Santa when it's Christmas time or something along those lines.
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And then it goes back in the Disney vault.
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You're a terrible person.
00:39:29
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Yeah, seriously!
00:39:30
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I mean, I hate the Disney vault, but I do think it would be kind of cool.
00:39:35
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But anyways, I'm not using Animoji in that kind of...
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It's a little bit sad.
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Do you show them the deck one?
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That's a new audience for your Animoji.
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He does get a kick out of them.
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Actually, just the other day, he asked me if I could show him the video of the fox singing,
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which is I think the Bohemian Rhapsody video
00:39:51
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that had come out, like one of the first karaoke ones.
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He really likes watching that,
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and so he had had me pull that up on YouTube
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just a day or two ago.
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But anyway, also new in 11.3, ARKit,
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which apparently is now understanding
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what a vertical surface is, which, no snark,
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I guess is a big deal.
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I don't really use ARKit for anything.
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- That's actually, being able to recognize
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vertical surfaces in addition to horizontal
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and having some other improvements
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in the kind of surfaces they can recognize
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and how it just, it broadens the applications of it,
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basically, like before it's like, all right,
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find a big flat table or the floor or something
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and then you can do this cool thing.
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And now you can do cool things with walls and other,
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like so it just, it broadens the possible applications
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you can make and it improves existing, excuse me,
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applications or it gives them the chance to be improved.
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And there's other improvements to ARKit too, but I'm not really qualified to recognize
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what's good about them.
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But it's significantly improved.
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>> But the main, I think the main story around ARKit is that ARKit was their first try at
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this and it was pretty impressive out of the gate.
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Like we all tried it and it worked I think better than most of us had any right to expect,
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especially if you have tried any of the previous sort of academic type things and seen what
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they can do.
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This was a commercial product that ran on everybody's phones that worked surprisingly
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well and it hasn't been that long and they've significantly enhanced it so I feel like the
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ARKit team is doing well.
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Their initial release was good and they're not even waiting to WWDC for new features
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like this because like Marcus said, I think walls is a significant new feature.
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And there have been applications, unlike perhaps Animoji which maybe you'll get bored by, the
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applications that you would think you could build with ARKit like a thing to try furniture
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in your room, like IKEA has an app like that, and guess what?
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It does what they say it does surprisingly well for a thing that just runs on your phone
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and doesn't require this crazy rig with five cameras slapped together by some PhD student.
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So I'm very impressed with ARKit, and I'm impressed that they keep getting better.
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All right, what else is in this?
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Messages things?
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Messages and iCloud is back!
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Yeah, this is unexpected.
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- It's connected, yeah.
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Unexpected, but very welcome, assuming that it works.
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I haven't actually tried it yet, have you guys?
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- Is it actually in this beta?
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Some things aren't in this beta,
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is the animoji not in this beta?
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- I think it is in the beta, but it's kind of--
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- Oh, no, the battery's not in this beta.
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- Yeah, the battery's not in this beta.
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The messages on iCloud, I think,
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I know it's prompting people to enable it,
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so I think it is in the beta, but it's,
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like for me, personally, I'm not gonna have much use
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for this until it also works with my Mac,
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so that's the big question mark for me,
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And also, if there's any hint that it doesn't quite work,
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that it isn't fully baked yet,
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then I might be afraid to turn it on for a little while.
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But they did take so long to do it that I'm confident
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that they were probably really conservative about this,
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'cause it's so important to get that right.
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So it's probably gonna work fine.
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- Yeah, but word of warning to everybody.
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When you're running beta software,
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this is the reason I have a whole set of other Apple IDs
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that are not my Apple IDs
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when I was doing Mac OS X reviews.
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When you're running betas and there's
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some feature that has cloud integration, especially
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if it wants to take some existing set of data
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and bring it to the cloud or convert it from one cloud
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backend to another, they're betas.
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They're not done.
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They might have bugs.
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But that's your non-beta data.
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That's your real messages and stuff.
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So if you don't want your non-beta data
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to be potentially hosed--
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And you can't restore that.
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Like if something goes wrong with the phone,
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you can restore the phone back to an old version.
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You can't restore your data in iCloud back to an old version.
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Yeah, especially if it gets scrambled or deleted or hosed
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in some way.
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So be very careful.
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I know you're probably excited, like, oh,
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I want to try out this new feature or whatever.
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But beta is not done.
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And yeah, so I said whenever I would test beta OSes
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and do reviews, whole separate world of data,
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which it was free to completely hose.
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And sometimes it did.
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And sometimes I had to wipe all my data
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and reenter a bunch of fake data for it or whatever.
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But anyway, it looks like that feature is back
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after basically entirely disappearing from their website.
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Now it's back.
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And like Marco, it really doesn't fulfill its promise
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for me until it has a Mac equivalent,
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which I'm assuming it will eventually,
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but I'm glad it's not waiting until iOS 12.
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Put it that way.
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- What is this really?
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But what does it buy me, this message in the cloud?
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'cause I still sort of get everything coming in
00:44:34
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kind of obnoxiously, you know what I mean?
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Like when I start a Mac--
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- You're a lucky person.
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- Yeah, I mean, so basically what it buys you is
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it should, in theory, first of all,
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it should fix a lot of the inconsistencies people see.
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So it's syncing the messages with iCloud
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rather than depending on this crazy
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key generation sharing thing between different computers.
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The way it works security-wise is really complicated
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and pretty impressive, but unfortunately,
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creates a lot of bugs in practice that cause people
00:45:05
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to have things like messages appearing on all but one device
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or messages appearing in different orders
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on different devices and things like that.
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This should, if done correctly and if done well,
00:45:18
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this should make your messages the same
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on all your devices.
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And it also brings additional benefits of things like
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if you set up a brand new Mac from scratch, for instance,
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and you log into iMessage,
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you don't get all the old messages.
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Also, if you delete a conversation somewhere,
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like if you get spam and you delete it in one place,
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it doesn't get deleted on all the other devices.
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You have to delete conversations in every place separately.
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So there's a lot of big and small benefits to this
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if it works correctly and completely.
00:45:52
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That is a big if, but if they can pull it off,
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the benefits are pretty big.
00:45:57
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- Yeah, and what I think of this is aligning messages
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with the mental model I've always had in my head
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about messages, that there is one conversation
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that I participate in from different devices,
00:46:09
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but it's always one conversation, right?
00:46:12
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In the same way that our show notes document,
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it's one show notes document, I can edit it on my phone,
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I can edit it on my iPad, I can edit it on my Mac at work,
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I can edit it on my Mac at home,
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and you guys can all do the same
00:46:22
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from whatever devices you have, but wherever I go,
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the document looks like a document.
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That's how I, my mental model of iMessage conversations.
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I'm conversing with the person,
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and no matter where I converse with them,
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the conversation is the conversation.
00:46:35
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So it's jarring to me,
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like it would be jarring to me,
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like the new Mac setup, to set up a new Mac
00:46:39
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and not see that conversation at all.
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Or to go to my Mac at work
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and not see a bunch of messages
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that I had sent previously on my phone
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'cause my Mac was asleep during that time
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and they didn't propagate or whatever.
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Now, people who don't have these problems
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and everything's in sync,
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if you limit the number of places you converse
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and or if your device is always online at the same time to accept the
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propagations and all the propagations work then maybe you won't notice that
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but I think that's the mental model most people have that it is
00:47:08
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that it is a conversation and it's the same conversation everywhere so that's
00:47:11
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the promise of this one more feature by the way that Apple touts is actually the
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first bullet point on their little screen is
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free up space on your iPhone by keeping photos and other attachments in iCloud
00:47:21
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which right now like you'd be surprised at how much space your
00:47:24
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messages thing takes up if you go to this, you know, because people send you videos and they send you photos and you don't want
00:47:30
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to delete things because they're cute and maybe something sometimes you save them to your photo library or whatever and
00:47:34
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one of the prompts for the the iOS storage screen like hey if you want to save some space you can delete small messages be
00:47:40
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Like I don't want to delete all that stuff
00:47:41
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Well now apparently it will take the big attachments and put them in iCloud and I guess only when you scroll back to them
00:47:47
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Will it download them on demand or something? So anything that frees up space on our phone by using cloud storage
00:47:52
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that we're already paying for is good,
00:47:53
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so that's another potential advantage.
00:47:55
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So that doesn't speak to the mental model, but it's good.
00:47:58
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- That's a huge advantage in practice.
00:48:00
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Lots of people have like massive, you know,
00:48:02
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multi-gig message archives. - Yeah, multi-gig messages.
00:48:05
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- That are just sitting there, taking up space
00:48:06
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in their phone that they don't want to delete.
00:48:09
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The upside of this is great, you'll have this option,
00:48:12
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iCloud, to store these things in,
00:48:13
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to free up space in your phone,
00:48:14
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so you won't be always running out of space.
00:48:16
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The downside is Apple's still pretty stingy
00:48:19
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with iCloud storage, so.
00:48:21
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- You're gonna need one of the paid plans
00:48:23
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and possibly even one of the larger plans.
00:48:26
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So that is going to make this hurt for a lot of people.
00:48:30
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But I think at this point,
00:48:32
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if you want a good experience using Apple devices,
00:48:38
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you're gonna have to just factor in the price
00:48:40
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of a small to mid-sized iCloud storage plan at least.
00:48:43
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As when you're deciding whether to have an iPhone,
00:48:47
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you just plan for this because in reality,
00:48:50
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you're going to need something beyond the free
00:48:54
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five megabytes of space they give you.
00:48:56
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And that was a joke, not misremembering the unit.
00:48:59
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- It feels like five megabytes though.
00:49:01
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- Right, it does, right?
00:49:02
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- It might as well be.
00:49:03
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- It might as well be five kilobytes.
00:49:05
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In this day and age, with the amount of stuff
00:49:07
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that's stored in iCloud, that is kind of insulting.
00:49:10
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But at this point, I'm also,
00:49:13
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I've given up on trying to wish and hope
00:49:16
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that Apple's gonna raise the free limit on iCloud
00:49:19
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and make the plans all bigger and super price competitive.
00:49:22
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Like, no, they're not going to.
00:49:23
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They're making a ton of money the way it is now.
00:49:25
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They're not gonna change that.
00:49:26
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So, oh well, you factor it in as the cost
00:49:29
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of having these devices that if you're going to have this
00:49:31
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and you want the full experience of having the luxury
00:49:34
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of iCloud doing all these things for you
00:49:35
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and doing backups and everything else,
00:49:37
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you're gonna have to pay for an iCloud plan
00:49:38
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and that's just part of it.
00:49:39
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- And by the way, one of my tips for general happiness
00:49:42
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of using iOS things is, and this is a problem
00:49:45
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a lot of people have, like, I'm not paying
00:49:46
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for iCloud storage, which I understand.
00:49:48
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It's expensive, as Marco said.
00:49:49
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It's not as competitive as it should be,
00:49:52
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and they should give you more, and it should be cheaper.
00:49:54
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But in the grand scheme of things,
00:49:57
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it doesn't cost that much money to get more storage.
00:50:00
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And it will-- the amount of improvement to your computing
00:50:05
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life that you'll get for $10 a month of actually just paying
00:50:08
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for iCloud storage, it's well worth the $10 a month.
00:50:11
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, well worth it,
00:50:13
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because I hate having to deal with storage problems
00:50:16
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and running out of room and trying to manage things.
00:50:18
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And like, you know, especially with things like photos,
00:50:21
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if you use the photos in the cloud feature,
00:50:22
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you're not gonna delete your photos.
00:50:23
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What are you gonna do when you run out of storage?
00:50:25
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You're just gonna, you know, complain and grind your teeth.
00:50:28
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It's like, just pay for the storage.
00:50:30
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I know it's bad.
00:50:31
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And with the family plan, by the way,
00:50:32
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now that you can pay for storage for your whole family,
00:50:34
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if you have a family and they all have devices,
00:50:36
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the family plan is another good way
00:50:38
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to not have to have stupid individual bills
00:50:40
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for like your kid's iCloud backup
00:50:42
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and your other kid's iCloud backup
00:50:44
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and your spouse's iCloud backup.
00:50:45
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Now you can do one bill and that will further encourage you to get the big plan for the
00:50:50
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whole family.
00:50:52
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And yes it costs money but $10 a month for someone who can afford Apple devices is not
00:50:58
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It will really improve your life.
00:51:00
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I think it's just mostly a mental barrier.
00:51:02
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People just don't want to pay for it in the same way they don't want to pay for applications.
00:51:05
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But overcome that hurdle.
00:51:07
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I would put it this way.
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For people who do tech support for their families, just buy your parents.
00:51:14
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Don't tell them you're doing it, but just buy them.
00:51:17
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Pay them the $10 a month.
00:51:18
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Secretly pay for their storage plan.
00:51:21
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That is another great investment of your money.
00:51:23
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The amount of aggravation you have doing tech support in your parents if you just secretly
00:51:26
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pay for the one terabyte storage plan and put them in a family together and pay for
00:51:31
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their storage plan.
00:51:33
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Enable iCloud backup on all their devices.
00:51:35
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Just don't even tell them.
00:51:36
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Just pay for it all.
00:51:37
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Just do it yourself.
00:51:38
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It will improve everybody's life.
00:51:40
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because we always advise people doing that
00:51:42
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on their parents' computers to install like Backblaze
00:51:45
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or your cloud backup of choice.
00:51:47
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- And then just pay for it for them.
00:51:48
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- Yeah, just do it for them, pay for it,
00:51:50
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because you as like the young adult probably don't care,
00:51:54
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the old people won't pay for it,
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and yeah, and so it's like they need this,
00:51:58
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you know that, they don't, so you just pay for it.
00:52:00
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So on computers, that's Backblaze.
00:52:02
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On their phones and iPads, it's iCloud storage.
00:52:06
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- Yeah, your parents who have retired
00:52:08
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on their astronomical pensions that no longer exist
00:52:11
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for any generation after them, who are taking vacations
00:52:15
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to Hawaii and living in luxury and buying fancy cars,
00:52:19
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will never pay $10 a month.
00:52:22
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What am I getting for that money?
00:52:24
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I have to pay for storage?
00:52:26
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I don't need backups.
00:52:28
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It doesn't make sense.
00:52:29
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But that's the mindset.
00:52:30
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So since you're the one doing tech support,
00:52:33
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just pay for the $10 a month.
00:52:36
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They carried you for nine months in their body, right?
00:52:38
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So, it's the least you can do.
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- All right, what else in 11.3?
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iBooks is no more, it's just plain books.
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- It's not no more yet, they just renamed it.
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- I mean, this is the most substantial
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iBooks update in years.
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- I think they did something recently.
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I don't know, they updated iBooks Author, I think, recently.
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But yeah, iBooks was the second thing to get the iBook name after the old computer.
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And now it's got its i's stripped away, joining...
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What is it joining?
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What are the other generic ones?
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Well, numbers, I guess, maybe pages.
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The generically named applications.
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Now it's just called books.
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And as Jason Snell said on Twitter, "I wonder if there's some other hardware product Apple
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could use the iBook name for. What he's referring to of course is iOS laptops, which
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we talked about last show. And yeah, that would be a good use. And it would be like
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the iBook name coming back home to a laptop form factor but not a Mac. So we'll see.
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I think that would be cool. I don't know how likely that is, but that would be a really
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cool, fun reason for this. I think it might be confusing because it seems
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like iBook is still kind of in living memory, so to speak, of the potential consumers. And
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And to have someone who previously owned an iBook buy a new iBook and have it not be a
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Mac, might be strange.
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But anyway, this change is completely explicable by Apple's drive to name all of its products
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like Marco's products, like the magazine.
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One product I named that way.
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You're right, it is only one, but it lives larger, doesn't it?
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It seems so significant.
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What are the other Apple ones I can't think of?
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You've got numbers pages, music, books.
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Movie, tunes.
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Oh, that hasn't happened yet.
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iMovie is an interesting one because you can't just rip off the "i" because that's just called
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Yeah, exactly.
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It doesn't really make any sense.
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All right, so what's going on in Mac OS 10.13.4?
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Probably a bunch of stuff, but the only thing that poked out at me is the long foreshadowed
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of 32-bit, which is not happening in 10.13.4, but the foreshadowing continues.
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Preparing for the end of 32-bit, as Apple says, I think this is in their release notes,
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to prepare for future release of macOS in which 32-bit software will no longer run without
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Will no longer run without compromise.
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What does that mean?
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It doesn't say will no longer run.
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Not will no longer run without compromises.
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Will no longer run without compromise.
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a Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.4, a user is notified at the launch of an app that depends on 30-bit
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software. The alert appears only once per app. So this is kind of like on, look at this
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on iOS too, like for a while 32-bit applications would pop up a dialogue that says this may
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slow down your phone or is not optimized or had some message like that that would translate
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to if you knew what it was talking about that it's a 32-bit app. And then eventually on
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iOS it's like yeah no those aren't going to launch anymore. This application needs to
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to be updated for blah blah blah, right?
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So the fun thing about 10.13.4 is that if you're a developer,
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you can reboot your Mac with the boot-arg
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minus no32exec and it will stop all 32-bit processes
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from launching, right?
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So then you can try to use your app.
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Like you think your app is clean and it's 64-bit clean,
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it doesn't require any 32-bit framework,
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doesn't invoke any 32-bit commands,
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doesn't do anything 32-bit, fine.
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Reboot your Mac in this developer mode
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that will forbid any 32-bit stuff from running
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and you'll see if it's broken.
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Of course, this is a developer mode for people who are developing applications.
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Users should not do this because half the stuff that you use from day to day will probably
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be broken including parts of the OS or other things that are command line programs that
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have 32-bit parts.
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Put it this way, I bet there is a surprising amount of 32-bit software lurking in everybody's
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Mac at this point.
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But this is the only way you get to a 64-bit clean world.
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Apple doesn't say what future version of Mac OS
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where 32-bit software will no longer run,
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and it also doesn't explain what compromise
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they're talking about, because if they had just said,
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will no longer run, I'd be like,
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oh, that's just what happened in iOS.
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32-bit stuff no longer runs.
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Fair enough, right?
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But compromise makes me think there's going to be
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some kind of way to still run 32-bit stuff
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just because it seems like Apple doesn't have as much faith
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in the Apple developer or the Mac developer community
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to bring everything to 64-bit.
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Like there's just not enough of them
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and they're just not motivated enough to bring everything.
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So there will always be this really long tail of stragglers
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where in iOS they're like, look, we're going 64-bit.
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If you don't care enough about your app to port it, fine.
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There's a thousand other apps that'll take your place.
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We don't care.
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But on the Mac, I don't know if that's the case.
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So I'm very interested to see what the compromise is
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and how they manage to run 32-bit stuff
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in an OS that more or less doesn't support it.
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They could use some kind of VM thing,
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some kind of weird hypervisor thing, who knows?
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But my guess is it's 1014,
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we'll find out the answer to that question.
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- To go back a step, I forgot to mention
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that health records is also new in 11.3.
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I think that completely slipped my mind.
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- Yeah, it's not clear how that works.
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Like I see the screen and it seems cool,
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but how does it work?
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- Yeah, that's what I was curious about too.
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And I didn't know if I just hadn't read
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the right documentation yet or something.
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But the thought of having all of my health records
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from all of my different health professionals,
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all in one spot, all for me to be able to see.
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That genuinely sounds really awesome,
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but color me a little skeptical
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that that'll actually be what ends up happening.
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Because I mean, look at Apple Pay,
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which is a seemingly odd analogy to use,
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but I feel like in America, it's pulling teeth
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to get a retailer to use Apple Pay,
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and that's to give them money.
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And here, it's like, what is going to encourage anyone,
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insurance companies or doctors or whomever to share medical records. I mean, yeah, there
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are records in theory since it's our bodies, et cetera, et cetera, but I don't know. I
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don't see any real incentive to get health providers or insurance companies or whatever
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to provide this information to us.
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Well, there have been government incentives to make them adopt some of the things that
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would make them potentially closer to supporting this type of feature, but...
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Not anytime soon there won't be.
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If there's one thing that's true in the, no there has been in the past, like the whole
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meaningful use thing in past years was to try to get, you know, medical businesses in
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the US to adopt electronic health record stuff, like who knows how effective it was.
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But anyway, there's one thing that's true about healthcare in the US is that getting
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all of your medical anything anywhere is basically impossible.
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So if it was like, I would love to have all of my medical, stop, stop right there.
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Whatever the rest of that sentence is, unless you are very, very lucky, it's not going to
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It's hard enough to get any of your medical.
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So if you are astronomically lucky and all of your health records happen to be at the
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tiny subset of medical institutions and providers that are participating in this program, yes,
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you could have all of your medical records in this thing, but chances are very, very
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good that some of your medical records will not be participating in this.
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And so it's just an adoption problem.
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So I like to see Apple tackling this and they're trying to do it in a sort of agnostic way
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using standard protocols for interchange.
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It's not like some Apple proprietary thing where Apple has to convince everybody to adopt
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some standard.
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It's just that getting all of any of medical things in the U.S. to do anything is very
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difficult because it's a very diverse, shall we say, environment of providers and technology
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expertise and motivation and financial incentive to support something like this.
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All right, then, Jon, the gifts just keep coming for you.
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You have El Capitan fixes that you're choosing not to install, and tvOS 11.3 has a new gift
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for you, does it not?
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It's not really a gift for me because even though I have an older Apple TV, it's not
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hooked up to a television set that I think can even do 24 frames per second. Like it's
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hooked up to a crappy TV, like a bedroom TV, right? So anyway, the one change that is most
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interesting to me in tvOS 11.3, which is currently in beta, is frame rate matching, which was
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previously only supported on the Apple TV 4K, is now supported on the one that looks
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exactly like the Apple TV 4K but isn't, because it doesn't have slots in the bottom.
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Hey, that's mine. Yeah. So now you get that feature too. I don't
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I also don't know if you have a television that can do 24 frames per second.
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Probably not.
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Almost sure I do not.
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Yeah, but that was the question before, is like, why isn't this supported?
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Is it some kind of hardware limitation?
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No, they just didn't get around to it with software, and now they're getting around to
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So thumbs up for that.
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All right, let's do some Ask ATP.
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Some guy I've never heard of, Todd Vaziri, writes, "With your iPhone X experience, are
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there any signs that Apple intends to unify 3D Touch and a long press to give the same
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result, or do you feel that they have every intention of keeping these two gestures separate
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and distinctive.
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I haven't looked at gesture recognizers in a while,
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and nor have I really fiddled with 3D touch APIs,
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but as far as I can tell, just as a user,
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it seems to me that it's pretty clearly
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going to be kept separate.
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But I don't know, Marco, have you been looking
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through these APIs more recently?
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Do you have any thoughts on this?
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- I don't have any thoughts.
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I don't think it's gonna be touched in any meaningful way.
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I think it's gonna stay the way it is now,
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which is basically like, most things are 3D touch or nothing.
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and occasionally one of the app developers,
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either Apple or third party, will have some good idea,
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oh, you know, we should make this available
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with long press eventually,
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and then eventually somebody does it.
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But it's probably gonna always be 3D touch first,
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kind of like how the clear all notifications thing,
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remember it wasn't that 3D touch first,
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and then eventually they added long press.
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It's probably gonna be like that kind of pattern,
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just like 3D touch is first,
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long press if somebody gets to it.
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- But do you think, I think part of the question is,
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- Do the APIs make it look like there will ever be a way
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to coalesce them in terms, you'd write an application
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to handle one kind of event and both of those things
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that happen on the screen could funnel into one kind
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of event or do you think it will,
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- No. - the APIs still reflect
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the fact that they are entirely separate?
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- Entirely separate.
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I mean, you could write something in your app
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that would respond to either one.
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- Right, right. - And you could write
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some kind of reusable component to make that easier to do,
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but as far as I could tell, Apple has not moved
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in that direction at all.
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I could be wrong, I could have missed something,
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but I don't think so.
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I don't think so either.
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My impression from the outside, not looking at the APIs,
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but just looking at how they're used,
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is that I would go so far as to say
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that Apple thinks there actually is an important distinction
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between 3D Touch and Long Press
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that should be meaningful in the UI.
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And cases where they merely say Long Press is just
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an affordance for people who have devices without 3D Touch
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are kind of in the minority.
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Like it seems like, especially as 3D Touch
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spreads to more and more devices,
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or at least phones anyway,
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'cause they don't have it on iPads,
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the 3D Touch is a different thing than long press.
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And it may still be an optional thing like,
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oh, if you happen to have a device that can afford it,
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you can get this feature,
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but that is not the same thing as long press.
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Despite the fact that a lot of people like wish it was,
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that it was just a more convenient long rest.
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And using a phone from my perspective,
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it feels different to me.
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I wouldn't want it to be just an alternate way
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to do long press because it just feels so very different.
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So I think I'm mostly on the same page with Apple here,
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despite the fact that it is somewhat confusing
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to have to explain to people.
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I don't think they're interchangeable.
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They don't feel interchangeable to me.
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- I tend to agree.
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Alex writes, "What is AirPlay 2,
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"and why is it so hard for both developers
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"and Apple to implement it?"
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So I guess, Marco, jump in whenever you're ready,
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but AirPlay 2, is it supposed to be,
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other than multi-room stuff,
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which you can't really do with AirPlay 1
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unless you're using iTunes on a Mac,
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is it supposed to be kind of self-sufficient
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where it's more like a Google Chromecast sort of scenario
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where you just tell it,
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"Hey, go play this thing over there,"
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and it does it all by itself, or is that completely wrong?
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- That's about halfway wrong.
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So basically, the way AirPlay One worked was kind of like,
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it's not that different from how Bluetooth audio works,
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just done over WiFi.
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It is what they call basically a real-time protocol,
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it's just a stream.
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They use stream audio to the AirPlay One device.
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There is a fixed latency that all AirPlay One devices have
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of two seconds, and everything goes over that same stream
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at that same latency.
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Audio gets streamed at that rate, commands like play,
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pause, or seek get streamed at that rate.
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That's why with an AirPlay speaker,
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if you hit pause on your phone,
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it takes two seconds before it actually pauses.
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And so it was a simpler protocol.
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It was launched forever ago.
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And back then, things had to be simpler
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for just technical practicality reasons.
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So AirPlay One, very simple protocol.
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What you're alluding to, Casey,
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how Sonos and the Google Cast protocols usually work,
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is basically like the speaker in those cases,
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or like the Casted 2 device,
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is controlling and playing whatever the media is itself.
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It isn't having a device send it a stream of media
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in most cases.
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The Sonos speaker or Google Chromecast or whatever
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is given like a URL and say play the file here.
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And the client applications are basically
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giving it commands whenever they feel like it.
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of okay, pause it now, play this thing instead
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or whatever else.
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But the advantage of a system like that is your phone
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or whatever is streaming the audio from
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or causing the audio to be streamed
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is not actually really involved in the realtime playback.
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So the example that is often given is like,
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if you go out and take out the trash during a party
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and your phone is what's telling Sonos
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to play this playlist,
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when you leave your house's wifi for 30 seconds,
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the music isn't gonna stop.
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It's gonna keep playing because your phone
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is simply giving it commands sometimes when you tell it to.
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It isn't streaming the audio itself.
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The device for Sonos and Google Class or whatever
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is getting the audio itself over the network
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and only just doing what your phone tells it to
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when it's time to make changes.
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AirPlay never worked that way.
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AirPlay was always being real-time streamed
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from the source device to the speaker.
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- And a question.
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The HomePod literature or whatever, PR literature,
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makes that claim about it, that it's just pulling the music
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from Apple Music and not pulling it from your phone,
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but it doesn't currently support AirPlay 2.
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- Yes, so there's a few different things here.
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So that, what the HomePod is doing with Apple Music,
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first of all, I believe that applies only to Apple Music,
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and that is because the HomePod does appear,
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from what they're saying, to be a native Apple Music client,
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in the sense that you can ask it to play something
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from Apple Music.
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I don't know if your phone is involved
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in the Siri request itself, but once it is playing,
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it does sound like it can just keep playing
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without your phone's presence.
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So that is a separate thing.
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That's not involving AirPlay 2, though.
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So what AirPlay 2 does is kind of just a halfway point
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between these, or kind of like a better AirPlay 1.
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So what it lets you do is buffer
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for much larger chunks of data.
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And what Apple said in the WWDC session about it,
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They said basically think minutes instead of seconds,
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and it lets you buffer faster than real time.
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So AirPlay One was a fixed two-second latency everywhere.
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The streaming device supplied the audio in real time,
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the playing device played it in real time,
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there's a two-second buffer on the playing device.
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AirPlay Two, the streaming device is asked
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to supply the audio as fast as it can,
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faster than real time until the buffer fills up.
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And so your AirPlay Two client program
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that's playing media has to be able to feed the buffer
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a lot, like five minutes or 10 minutes or whatever it is,
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of future audio.
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And then the playing device maintains that buffer
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and plays it in real time and notifies you
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of what point it has reached in playback.
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So this changes a bunch of things.
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This is a really big foundational change to how this works.
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There are a number of big advantages.
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So number one is that scenario of taking out the garbage
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during a party, as long as you're not taking
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like 20 minutes outside to take the garbage out,
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in which case I would say you have to think
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about your home layout.
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That's too much of a trip.
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It should be fine.
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You should get back inside in time
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for that minutes-long buffer
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to not have to underrun itself.
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Also, as we talk about during Euro ads,
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a lot of times places in your house
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are kind of Wi-Fi dead zones,
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and so same problem with those.
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There's lots of common scenarios where if you're airplane,
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anybody who's ever done airplane, you know this,
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'cause this has probably happened to you at some point,
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where the person with the phone is walking around somewhere
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and drops at a range for a second,
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and the music stops or skips or whatever.
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Also, another big advantage of this,
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of breaking it out of that fixed latency model,
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is that commands to change, so play, pause, seek commands,
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those can happen faster than that two-second buffer.
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Those can happen basically as quickly
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as the device receives and processes them.
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So, like any other wifi command in your house.
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So it can be really fast.
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So way faster, way more responsive playback controls,
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as well as that long, super long buffer.
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There's also, AirPlay One did support multi-room audio
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in some way.
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I'm not familiar with the details of how it coordinated it,
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but I think only iTunes on the Mac
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could ever really officially be the source for that.
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There was never a way for it to have an iOS device
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as the source of multi-room audio with AirPlay One.
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AirPlay Two, that is now possible.
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You can now do multi-room audio with the iOS device
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as the source of that, so that's another big change.
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I don't really know what has changed about the protocol
01:12:36
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to allow that, but I'm sure there's a good reason.
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Also, because the playback buffering and the media supply
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has been separated from the command interface
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of like play/pause, you can now have multiple devices
01:12:52
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in your house being able to control the play/pause type controls of a stream that's playing from
01:12:58
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not them. So like, you and your spouse can both have play/pause control over the music
01:13:05
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playing from only one of your phones to the AirPlay 2 speaker. So also, you know, fun
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stuff. There's also separation now of phone call status from AirPlay, so you can, for
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instance, take a phone call on your phone that is air playing music to a speaker, and
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and the music continues to play back on that speaker
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while you're on the phone call.
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That didn't happen before.
01:13:25
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So this is all a lot of major changes,
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and this is, I think, one of the reasons
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why this is taking so long,
01:13:32
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and why AirPlay 2 seems to be the big delay
01:13:34
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for the HomePod.
01:13:35
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This is tons of new iOS APIs,
01:13:40
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tons of new background processes and changes
01:13:43
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to fundamental things in iOS to make all this happen.
01:13:48
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Also on the device side, on the speaker side,
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you now have this long buffering mechanism,
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and that's much more complex than before.
01:13:59
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I'm sure Apple has some kind of component or library
01:14:02
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or something that they will sell manufacturers
01:14:05
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to make this easier on them, to kind of automate this
01:14:08
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for them or be like a drop-in component or something,
01:14:11
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but it's more complex than AirPlay One was by a lot.
01:14:15
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And even AirPlay One, the client implementations
01:14:18
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tended to suck that weren't Apple's.
01:14:20
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Like, there was like one AirPlay chip
01:14:22
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that every AirPlay speaker used and it sucked.
01:14:23
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It was unreliable and it was terrible.
01:14:26
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So, I'm guessing the delay in the speaker availability
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is because this is more complex and maybe the industry
01:14:33
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was caught off guard a little bit, who knows.
01:14:35
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Maybe Apple hasn't actually really finished it yet
01:14:38
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and they're just not saying that.
01:14:39
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But either way, it's a complex protocol.
01:14:42
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And then on the software side, on the iOS side,
01:14:45
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and probably the HomePod side,
01:14:47
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This is complex, I ran into some of this complexity
01:14:50
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when I started looking at these APIs for Overcast.
01:14:53
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And the main complexity here is,
01:14:55
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streaming the music to the buffer
01:15:02
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is now disconnected from what timestamp
01:15:06
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or even like what track is actually playing at that moment.
01:15:11
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Because you can read ahead by so far.
01:15:12
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Like before, with the old Airplay One model,
01:15:16
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Whatever function in your app supplied the audio
01:15:19
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to the output stream could notify the app as that happened,
01:15:23
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you're now at timestamp one, you're now at timestamp two.
01:15:26
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And as soon as it played through a track,
01:15:28
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it can say this track has finished playing,
01:15:29
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you're now playing this next track.
01:15:31
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Now, it can buffer so far ahead of real time
01:15:35
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that the production of the audio in your app,
01:15:37
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the thing that is supplying the audio,
01:15:40
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has to be a separate thing entirely
01:15:42
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from what parts of your app manage
01:15:46
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what timestamp it's playing at
01:15:47
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and what track it's currently playing.
01:15:50
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And they've moved all that out now
01:15:51
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to this new synchronizer object that you need.
01:15:54
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So none of this is difficult to deal with,
01:15:57
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but it's different.
01:15:58
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It's a major change from the way it used to work.
01:16:01
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And there's also other things, like for instance,
01:16:03
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if your app has a concept of a playlist
01:16:06
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and an item that is coming up is changed,
01:16:10
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say the user deletes an entry in a playlist
01:16:12
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or reorders a playlist,
01:16:14
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and that part has already been buffered,
01:16:16
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you now have to tell the buffer thing,
01:16:18
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oh, and everything after this timestamp
01:16:20
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is now different, reload it.
01:16:21
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So there's all sorts of big and small changes like that
01:16:25
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needed to adopt this kind of model,
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and none of them are difficult or impossible,
01:16:30
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it's just a lot of things to deal with.
01:16:32
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It's a lot of change, a lot of potential for new bugs
01:16:36
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or not realizing that old bugs were really bugs,
01:16:38
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and so it's like, even doing it for overcast
01:16:41
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is a pretty major undertaking
01:16:44
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that I'm nowhere near done with.
01:16:46
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I've only done the early stages of it
01:16:48
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and now I kind of put it on the back burner
01:16:49
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because now I know that it's not gonna be imminent
01:16:52
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and I have more pressing things I wanna do.
01:16:54
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But it's a big change to audio applications
01:16:58
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and to the systems in iOS that manage them.
01:17:02
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So I think there's very, very good justification
01:17:06
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for AirPlay 2 to be late and for Apple to be running behind.
01:17:10
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I think they should have probably anticipated it better
01:17:12
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and planned for it better, but oh well.
01:17:15
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All this is just to say that technically speaking,
01:17:17
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this is a nice improvement.
01:17:19
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It is also a really big job.
01:17:21
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So it's totally reasonable for it to be
01:17:23
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harder than they might have predicted
01:17:25
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or taking longer than they predicted.
01:17:28
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- You can have a fun class of bugs.
01:17:29
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You could have a bug based on what you described
01:17:31
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where the speaker is playing a song,
01:17:34
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but your player application on your phone
01:17:37
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indicates that it's playing a different song.
01:17:39
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So it goes to the next track,
01:17:40
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and if you didn't do that synchronization thing
01:17:42
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that you said, oh by the way, they've deleted something,
01:17:45
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your phone will say, I'm happily playing song A,
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and you'll be hearing a totally different song
01:17:48
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come through the speaker.
01:17:49
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You'll be like, this thing is totally broken,
01:17:51
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how does that even happen?
01:17:52
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Well, now we know how it happens.
01:17:54
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- Yeah, or as it starts buffering,
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if you didn't do the timestamp change
01:17:58
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of how it reports what time you're playing until,
01:18:00
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then you can have it,
01:18:01
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if you watch your time thing in the app,
01:18:04
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you start airplane to a speaker,
01:18:05
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and your time starts racing ahead by 10 minutes
01:18:08
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all of a sudden, but you're not hearing it that fast.
01:18:11
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There's so many, or it races to the end
01:18:13
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and deletes the file, 'cause it's how it's played already,
01:18:16
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gone, there's a lot of potential
01:18:20
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for big and small bugs here.
01:18:22
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- In your application, if they change
01:18:23
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the playback speed midstream, you have to invalidate
01:18:26
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everything that you previously uploaded at the other speed.
01:18:28
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- Oh, that's interesting. - Yep, yep.
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Or if they toggle off smart speed, yep, anything.
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Or if you just seek, I think if you,
01:18:35
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I don't think it actually does, in the current protocol,
01:18:37
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I'm not sure it actually does seeking.
01:18:39
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Anyway, and one concern I have too is like,
01:18:42
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this stuff is all so early and so complex
01:18:44
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and such a big undertaking, I'm not sure I want to devote
01:18:48
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a whole bunch of time to changing my entire audio engine
01:18:52
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to support this before I know that the API is solid.
01:18:56
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And given that Apple is delaying their own AirPlay 2 stuff,
01:19:00
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and I'm kind of worried that maybe the API is not done yet
01:19:03
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or not baked yet.
01:19:05
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So there's another reason why I've kind of paused
01:19:08
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my work on this for now.
01:19:09
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- Yeah, it could end up like crashing your application
01:19:13
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in scenarios where their person's not even using AirPlay 2
01:19:16
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just because of how you had to rejigger the internals,
01:19:18
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which is not a great thing to happen.
01:19:20
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- All right, what are we in the middle of?
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We're in the middle of Ask ATP, right?
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- Okay, Andrew Lim Penning writes,
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"Could Jon please detail his method
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"for reading extremely long soft cover books
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"without ruining his spine?
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Where the hell did this even come from?
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When did you talk about this?
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Some other podcast that I'm on that Andrew apparently listens to, I discussed this.
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I think you two should know about it too in the long history of weird things that I've
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Anyway, when I was younger, I had a lot of books like paper books before I got on the
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e-book bandwagon, and I had a lot of paperback books when I was younger.
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And some of them are really thick because I'm a big Stephen King fan and his books are
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And eventually I got into books as a thing that you can buy as a sort of physical object
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in addition to the words that they contain.
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In fact, I'm still like that.
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I read ebooks mostly, but I still like physical books.
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Often I will buy a physical book but still read the ebook.
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Anyway, I got a lot of softcovers and I like them.
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I got a lot of series.
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They had cool spines.
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I'd put them up on my shelf, arrange them, they looked nice.
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Pretty soon after getting my first collection of paperbacks, I decided I didn't like how
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the books looked when the spines were broken.
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If you open a paper back really wide, the nice printed spine on it will get a big white
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you know, crease or crack on it and if you read the book eventually you'll have cracks
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going up and down the whole spine.
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Anyone who has had a big thick paperback book knows about this.
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So I didn't like that so eventually I decided I'm going to read all my softcover books no
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matter how thick they are without breaking the spine.
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And that's what this question is about.
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How do you do that?
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Unfortunately for Andrew the answer is exactly how you would think you'd do that.
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you don't open the book really wide.
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You support the spine with your fingers behind it
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and you open it a crack and you'd be like,
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how are you gonna read an entire, literally 800 page book
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peeking into this tiny crevice to read the text out of the,
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you know, like, you know, there is no secret.
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The secret, you know, like the technique is
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put your fingers on the back of the spine
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so you can feel what's happening at the back of that spine
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and open it as wide as you can before it creases
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and just be really, really careful.
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And I don't think that's a particularly fun way to read.
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I think people should buy ebooks
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'cause they're way better than paper books,
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but paper books are beautiful,
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so you should still buy them
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and collect them and display them.
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- So how do you use an iPhone without scratching it?
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Well, you keep it in a small felt pouch
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and you take it in and out of that pouch
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every single time you use it,
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and you never actually touch it.
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- Well done, sir.
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- Not every single time, only when you're out of the house.
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Only when you're out of the house.
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In the house it is, not in the pouch ever.
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Well, yeah, what could possibly be more convenient than that?
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- Pouch is awesome.
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I like, here's the thing about the pouch.
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I originally started doing it for the reason you noted,
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for like scratchability,
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but I have come to appreciate the fingerprint.
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Like I don't ever have to clean off my phone screen,
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which is apparently things a lot of people have to do,
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or their phone screens look disgusting,
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because every time it goes in and out of my pouch,
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it gets cleaned.
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- Of course.
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- And when it stays in there and it rubs around,
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like it's a microfiber thing,
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it is always cleaning my phone screen.
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- So a year of using my JetBlack iPhone 7,
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and you know how much it ever mattered
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- Do you know how scratched it was?
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Know how much I ever noticed?
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- That's the back, I'm talking about the front.
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- Actually, you know what--
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- I have a case on it, so I don't care about the back.
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- I actually do have a small problem with the iPhone X.
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I'm getting scratches on my screen.
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- On the front?
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- Yeah. - From what?
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- I don't know, they're not like deep scratches,
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but when the light hits a certain angle, you can see them.
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And I think I heard from a few other people
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that they were having a similar issue.
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Like, I've never had iPhone screen scratches
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that were noticeable.
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I'm getting scratches on my iPhone 10 already.
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So I don't know what's up.
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- Are they micro, very micro scratches?
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Maybe they're just scratches in the
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sort of the oleophobic whatever coating
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and not actually in the glass?
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- Maybe, I mean again, they don't look deep.
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You can't see them at all angles.
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If you turn the screen off, they're pretty noticeable.
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- That's interesting.
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Anyway, I don't have any on mine.
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- Pouch is not the answer, John.
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- It's an answer.
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It may not be the answer, but it is an answer.
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It is an answer.
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I will concede it is an answer.
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And the back of my jet black iPhone 7, I'm sure, is pristine underneath my leather case.
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Good for it.
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I'm sure that's going to really matter long term.
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Yeah, I've already decided that I'm not – speaking of keeping phones pristine – I'm not going
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to give any of my kids this iPhone 7.
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Like I handed down my iPhone 6.
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You know, God knows what my son is doing to it for the 7.
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I'm like, "No, no.
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will buy you like an iPhone SE used or something but we're not you're not
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getting my 7. I spent all this time keeping it pristine.
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Like this is this the iPhone my iPhone 7 I think is in the category of like my
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SE 30 and my 2008 Mac Pro.
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I really like this phone. I mean granted I've only had two iPhones but this is by
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far my favorite. Like there's nothing about it that is bad even the lack of
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headphone port like I've you know I think this iPhone 7 is great and I'm now
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appreciating it as my last pre-iPhone 10 notch of Apple phone.
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Yeah, honestly, as we talked about it in our iPhone 7 exit interview segment, looking back
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on it, I don't want to go back to it because I like the X too much, but that really was
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a great phone.
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It was a great moment in time.
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It was a great phone.
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And the 8 is great too and everything, but overshadowed by the 10.
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I didn't get the 8, so I've got the 7 and this is my phone that hit the sweet spot of
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the culmination of a long evolution
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of a particular phone factor before Apple
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took a hard left turn into iPhone X land.
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- Also, the 8 doesn't have the Jet Black finish,
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and that to me was a critical part
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of why the 7 was so awesome,
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because it so dramatically improved
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and changed the feel of the phone.
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Like it gave that awesome caseless grip that I miss.
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The iPhone X is better than the previous aluminum ones,
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but it's still not as good as the iPhone 7 in grip.
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but I like the rest of it, so I'm keeping it, I guess,
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even though my screen's scratched.
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Anyway, thanks to our sponsors this week,
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and we will talk to you next week.
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'Cause it was accidental (it was accidental)
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It was accidental (it was accidental)
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
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So that's Casey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
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- I really, I do this every year.
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I guess this is my lose weight kind of New Year's resolution
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even though it's not a resolution.
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It's just something I remind myself of every year.
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And every year, January comes around.
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I remind myself, you know what, you should really be less negative, Casey, on the internet
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and stop complaining and moaning about things, which I don't think I do overwhelmingly, but
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I do probably more than I should.
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And then something like this happens.
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I see a news report saying BMW is going to charge $80 a year for a subscription to CarPlay.
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$80 for a subscription to CarPlay.
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That involves no cloud services
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or anything like that of any sort.
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It's just $80 for them to not cut you off
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for the thing in your car.
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- There's a number of angles to this.
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So a few people asked when this first came out,
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like, well, do we know,
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is Apple charging them yearly?
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And we don't have a firm answer on that.
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Apparently, somebody heard from some car maker
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that Apple does not charge fees for CarPlay,
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and there certainly is not an annual fee.
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- Apple did say so, according to Gruber.
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This is what he said on his website.
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Gruber says, "I've now received
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"the following clarification from Apple.
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"There is no fee for OEMs for either
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"MFI or CarPlay integration.
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"There never has been, and there never will,
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"to my knowledge, there are no plans to this change.
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"There is no royalty costs or ongoing costs.
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"The only costs to automakers are those necessary
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"to create the hardware.
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"This includes an authentication chip."
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- All right, that's good, okay.
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So anyway, so that rules that out.
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But anyway, so this does solve a problem.
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I don't think it solves it in the right way.
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But there is a problem that BMWs, as you know,
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Casey, from having bought them,
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especially having bought them used,
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certain options like this,
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they're options at purchase when the car is new,
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and you can't have them later.
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CarPlay, there's not much reason,
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like it's like a $300 option normally before this thing.
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There's not a lot of reason that they had to charge
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300 extra dollars, they're just doing it because they can.
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Because cars like this, luxury cars especially,
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they charge money for every little thing, anything.
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If you want, they've offered for years now,
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they've offered wireless phone charging,
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where they just put basically a Qi charger in the armrest
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and they charge you like $700 or some obscene thing for that.
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That's just the game here.
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When you're buying a high-end car like this,
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many of the brands will nickel and dime you to death
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over stuff that does not cost them that much to add,
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but they have a captive audience.
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It's just like buying a beer at a baseball stadium.
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It's a captive audience,
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you're already spending a lot of money.
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They know that they can get more out of people
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if they do this.
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So, that, I don't really fault them
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for charging separately for this.
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I think it's a crappy luxury experience
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that not every BMW has car play.
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Like a lot of other manufacturers,
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all of their cars now have CarPlay,
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or all of certain model lines have it.
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BMW's not doing that.
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That creates a problem if you're looking for a used one,
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and this is a fairly minor feature distinction.
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So if you're looking at used BMWs,
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or if you have acquired a used BMW,
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it might be difficult to find one that has CarPlay,
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or you might not know until you actually go visit
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one of the dealer whether the one you're looking at
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has CarPlay or not.
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There is a problem that they are now solving
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that now you can add CarPlay.
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So I think you can actually,
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like if a car was sold without it
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and you go buy it used and you want it,
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I think you can add it by starting to pay this fee.
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That's not a great solution to that problem.
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There are way better solutions.
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Like honestly, a well-specced BMW
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costs like over 40 grand most of the time.
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You can throw in CarPlay at no additional charge.
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This is the kind of thing like,
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the brakes aren't optional.
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the air conditioning now comes standard.
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I think CarPlay is really very quickly becoming
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one of those features where people just expect that.
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It's weird if you don't have it on a nice car these days.
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So they should really include it on all the cars
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and not charge you this dumb fee.
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- One of the analogies I heard was in cheap
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to mid-price hotels, the Wi-Fi is free,
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but in fancy hotels, they charge you for it.
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- That is definitely not true.
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- They charge you for it at every hotel.
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- No, I've heard that saying before
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and I have experienced some of that
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where the main places I've seen free WiFi
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are not in the fanciest hotels
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but kind of in the mid-tier ones.
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But once you get fancy, they're like,
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well, you're already paying so much for the room anyway,
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we'll just add this charge on for the WiFi.
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- Well, and also, see also, iCloud storage plans,
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like what we talked about earlier.
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This is a captive audience, right?
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Like, iCloud storage sells not because it's a great deal
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but because you kinda want it,
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it makes the experience way better,
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and what else are you gonna do?
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This is all system integration stuff,
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and it's like, if you want this experience
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in the native first-party way that works with everything,
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you're probably gonna have to pay
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whatever they want for it.
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CarPlay and BMWs is the same thing.
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You're gonna have to pay
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whatever they want for it, basically.
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So I think the solution here is to stop buying BMWs.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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BMW has the problem of they do have competitors.
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Maybe there's no competitor for CarPlay
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for you know, I want integration with my iPhone
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and such and such a way,
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but you can buy another luxury car that has CarPlay
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that doesn't charge you this much.
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And one of the points I've seen from people talking
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about this in terms of pricing, it's like, well,
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if you get a three year lease and it's 80 bucks,
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it's still cheaper than a $300 upfront option,
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which is kind of true.
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And like in the grand scheme of things, given like, you know,
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like how much they charge for the different paint color,
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it's like an additional $2,500 or whatever.
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Like if you add it all up,
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the number of absurd things you're going to pay way more for for the life of this BMW
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that you'll happily pay for because you want the sparkly red paint or whatever dwarfs this
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carplay thing. But the carplay thing just feels punitive because everyone else is giving
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it to you for free and there's not even a hint of a justifiable reason for it to be
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an ongoing eternal payment. And so it just annoys people. So I think BMW will, this is
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what will either happen, either BMW will reverse this or every other luxury carmaker will do
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do the same thing.
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- It's true.
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It's just, I don't know, it's just so frustrating because I know in my brain that this is a
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completely unsurprising thing for a luxury car manufacturer to do.
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The things that BMW charged for, up until recently and maybe still to this day, they
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had a tremendous upcharge for xenon headlamps or high-intensity discharge headlamps.
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I guess they're LEDs now in all likelihood.
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But for years when high-intensity discharge headlamps
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were a thing, BMWs would still have that as an option.
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Like my generation, the early 2010s.
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- I will constantly see-- - My first, my 3 Series
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that was that generation, I didn't get the HIDs.
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They were too expensive.
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- Right, exactly, and I will see them constantly
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to this day, and you can tell what is HIDs and what doesn't.
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But that seemed preposterous to me.
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Like, I'm not saying that it shouldn't necessarily
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paid for, but come on, it's an option? Really? Like, you're buying a BMW, you're buying a Mercedes,
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you're buying an Acura, whatever the case may be. Like, that should just be part of the car.
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And I don't know, this just seems like such a preposterous, absurd thing to nickel and
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dime people over. And it's not as bad as Porsche, from what I understand, who I guess is the kings
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and queens of nickel and diming, but it's just gross. And I think BMW has been heading more and
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more and more this way over time,
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and it just grosses me out.
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And here again, I just, I don't know what car I should get
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if I get a new car, 'cause I'm screwed no matter what.
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What happened to the ultimate driving machine?
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They don't even use that slogan anymore.
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I love that slogan.
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- I mean, to be fair, like, every BMW owner
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has always had this progression with the company,
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and it just rolls into different times.
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It's like, every BMW owner for the history of BMW
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has always said, "Whatever happened to the BMW
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"that made, you know, my first car?"
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- Yeah, like now the ones they make today are crap, but--
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- Whatever happened to the MacBook Pros
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with better keyboards, am I right, Marco?
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- Well, it's a little bit--
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- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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- Little bit different when the failure rate
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changed just so dramatically.
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- It was at, I think, Kieran Healy,
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or maybe it was him or someone else,
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tweeted a picture of an old PowerBook,
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and all I could think of was looking at that,
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it's like, look at the travel on those keys.
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Full-size keyboard keys, like it was before
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they even started really flattening them out,
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like they look like just full-size mechanical keyboard keycaps, right?
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They probably have more travel than the total thickness of the current MacBook Pro line.
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