247: A Place to Stick Your Gum
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Fun fact listeners Syracuse is a much funnier person than you would ever expect like you you hear bits of that on the show
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But more in a laughing at me way than laughing. No, that's not true. That's not right. You really like
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But no really it he is way funnier in person when when not performing as you have as we are all doing that
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You're trying to say I'm not funny on the podcast. He's way funnier than he is in this podcast
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That's not what I was going for, but if you want—I'm too tired to argue with you, so yes.
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Let's start as we have to do with follow-up.
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tvOS 11.2 Beta is out.
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Tell me about the output format switching, Mr.
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Syracuse, if you please. Not only is it out, but I actually got the update.
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I don't know what caused me to get it, but I checked for updates, and there it was, and I was very excited.
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So I immediately went into that settings screen that lets you say match
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Source format frame rate or whatever and then the HDR one is not applied to me. So I couldn't adjust try that one and
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then I played a movie and
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my television switched to
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What it displays as 24 Hertz, but isn't really true because I'm pretty sure it's in some multiple that refresh rate
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But anyway, it works. It really really works. Hooray
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Of course with the movie I tried it with was a movie I purchased on iTunes
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So I was using Apple's built-in movie app, which I assumed would have been updated to use the new API's and I guess it has been
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I haven't had time to try it with
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Plex and infuse and all the other things because I just assumed they would not have had time to update but I'm just gonna wait until
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11.2 is out and try them as well
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So I'm happy about this and I'm one step closer to the probably terrible mistake of
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losslessly ripping all of my blu-rays so that I can watch them on demand without touching
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a blu-ray disc at full quality. But we'll see how that goes. And one additional note
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from this, Joe Rosenstiel has confirmed a while ago and now is in the process of complaining
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and filing radars with Apple about the fact that the previous generation Apple TV, the
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not 4K Apple TV, doesn't get these features.
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Oh, wamp wamp for me.
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And also doesn't apparently get a manual 24 frames per second option. And like I said
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a couple shows ago, I don't get a manual 24 frames per second option either in earlier
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versions of tvOS even though my television supports it.
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But anyway, all these features are just for the fancy new Apple TV 4k.
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I don't think that's unreasonable.
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Well it's the Apple way to do things like why keep supporting the old thing, right?
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Although as Todd Vaziri unfortunately found out, they still sell the old one because he
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went to, he was trying to order an Apple TV 4k and they didn't have any in stock so he
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went to the store and bought one. He got a different size, he wanted to get the big one
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I think, but he got the small one, and brought it home only to find that he just purchased
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the previous generation Apple TV. Which looks very much the same if you're not very careful
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to look at the box and make sure it says Apple TV 4K on it. So that's a shame. And then of
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course they continue to sell the other one because it hits a price point, but they're
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not going to support it with the latest version. They have CVOS in the same way. Like maybe
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this technical reason, I can't really think of one, but it's conceivable that there's
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some unknown technical reason why they can't do the switching, but that's crappy.
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They also, in the most Tim Cook move ever, didn't even lower the price of the now two-year-old
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one, when they brought out the new one.
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Well, you know, the currency.
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They have it to hit a price point, but it's a very not competitive price point compared
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to the rest of the industry.
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Suddenly it looks good, it's anchoring, the anchoring effect of the new, more expensive
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Plus you've got inflation, right?
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So it was a long time ago, so money's worth less now.
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All right, and then tell me about APFS snapshots as used by Time Machine and Software Update,
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if you please.
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There were a couple of articles about this, but eventually they could all be traced back
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to a handy TechNote thing on Apple's own site to explain how the cool APFS snapshots
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are being used by Apple's software, at the very least.
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So Time Machine is using them.
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I'm assuming, I don't know if this article says it,
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but I'm assuming the obvious thing to do is take a snapshot
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and then do a Time Machine backup from that snapshot.
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So you don't get the weird thing that you used to get
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where a Time Machine backups takes a half an hour to run
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and files that are copied to the beginning of the backup
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are 30 minutes newer than files that are copied at the end.
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And you sort of get this weird image of the disc
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that is like, it's like a rolling shutter on a phone, right?
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It's like a rolling backup, like I'll start backing up.
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And while I'm backing up,
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you're continuing to use your computer.
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But if I already backed up the file you modified,
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I'll get it in the next backup.
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Snapshots, you don't have to do that.
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You can say point in time snapshot.
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That's what I'm gonna back up from.
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That's exactly what this disk looks like
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at a particular point in time.
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And it will back up from that.
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But additionally, Time Machine takes snapshots
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every 24 hours while your computer is turned on.
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And it takes a snapshot every week as well.
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And remember snapshots are just like a point in time
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on your disk.
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It's not a backup to your time machine volume.
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It's just snapshots of your regular disk as it was.
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And those are convenient for like, let me,
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you can run time machine,
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even if you've never had your time machine disk,
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like your external time machine disk,
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attached to your computer for a long time,
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you can still use time machine to recover things
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from the local disk that were part of those snapshots.
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And I heard some report of someone saying,
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I deleted a bunch of stuff
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and my free disk space didn't go down.
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It really depends on how they were checking
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their free disk space because if you were checking it at the lowest level, that would
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be true because if you make a snapshot and that snapshot includes like a 4 gig file,
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then you delete that 4 gig file, you don't get that space back because that snapshot
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is still holding onto those 4 gigs so that you could, if you wanted to, recover that
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file from the snapshot or whatever with Time Machine.
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So that's a case where if you were getting your disk, free disk space at the lowest level,
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you would see that I deleted this file, why didn't I get the free space back?
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But this TechNote has a thing at the end that says basically,
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are you worried about these snapshots
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eating all your disk space?
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Don't worry, because if we, the operating system, need--
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storage space gets low, which is what the TechNote says,
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snapshots are automatically deleted
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starting with the oldest.
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And I'm quoting directly from the document now.
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That's why Finder and GetInfoWindows
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don't include local snapshots in their calculations
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of the storage space available on disk.
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So yet another complication, as foretold in many past episodes
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of how APFS was going to make it much more complicated
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to even display things like free space,
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having to do a bunch of math and subtract out the space
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taken by snapshots and all that other stuff.
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So they just lie to you and say,
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"Oh yeah, no, we freed up that space."
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But they didn't, they didn't free it up.
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Unless you need more disk space,
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unless you really, really need it,
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it won't delete the snapshots.
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And deleting snapshots is easy,
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it's not like it has to delete a bunch of files
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that just says, "Okay, forget about that snapshot,
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all those disks, all those blocks
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that were a part of that snapshot
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that are not part of any other snapshot are now free."
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So it's the magic of APFS.
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And my final note on this tech note, which I think everyone should read, is it is forced
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to explain the horrendous UI of Time Machine, specifically the weird timeline scroll-y thing
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on the right, with like a little zoomy timeline.
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Some poor tech writer had to write out, "If you have one of these versions of the operating
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systems, a bright red tick mark means this.
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A dimmed red tick mark means that.
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If you have a different version of the operating system, a gray tick mark means this, a bright
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pink tick mark means this, and a dimmed pink tick mark means this.
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These colors are very similar to each other.
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I would never have guessed all this stuff, how you use the interface many, many times.
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And there's not a lot of text.
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It's like time machine, good technology, even though they got rid of the swirling vortex,
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which I would argue is the best part of this interface, they got rid of that, right?
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So it's not like completely frivolous.
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But the rest of the UI is not great.
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I don't know what these colors mean.
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I've read this tech note.
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I'm never gonna remember this.
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I don't know what dimmed pink means.
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What is bright pink and dimmed pink?
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If you only have dimmed pink,
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how can you tell it's dimmed pink and it's not bright pink
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unless you have a bright pink to compare it to?
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This is a bad interface.
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Apple, please work on this.
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- How do you really feel, Jon?
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Just don't hold back this time.
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- I mean, this is like Time Machine
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is just one of the many things that like,
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as we have gotten the transition of the whole world
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and all of Apple's focus to iOS.
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It's one of the many things on macOS I look at,
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and I'm just kind of sad that if macOS was still getting
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seemingly meaningful effort put into it,
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this could be so much more by now.
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This could be so much better,
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but it just seems like most of macOS is
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not only in maintenance mode,
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but seems to have the B team working on it,
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and it just makes me sad.
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- And it's a little bit buggy, too.
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I spend time in the interface trying to find things,
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And sometimes it does weird stuff and you just shake my head and try it for a second
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time and it usually works a second time.
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Who knows why it didn't work the first.
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Like there's a lot of cool tech under there and you could build lots of interesting UIs
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on top of it.
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And the initial UI was fun and cool and interesting and had good ideas behind it and simplified
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But the way it's evolved or rather hasn't evolved is kind of depressing.
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One more minor part in this, they do take snapshots before software updates as well.
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I don't know if they do anything with that.
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Like I don't know if there's any actual feature that says you don't like the software update you did. Don't worry
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We took a whole snapshot of your disk and you can roll back to it right now
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I don't think there's any UI to that, but if third-party tools
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Have enough access to snapshots they could offer that option just by listing all your snapshots and same thing with time machine
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There was a backup program. I don't know if it's still in development called backup loop. That was like hey time machine is cool
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Why don't we make a cool powerful UI on top of it for?
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People who want to nerd out a little bit more than is possible with the default UI
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And that's the fun type of stuff. That's a third-party opportunity, but also at this point the built-in one should be better, too
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I don't know. I I don't mind time machine, but I think it's because I'm almost never in time machine
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So it doesn't have I don't have to deal with the chromium UI very often, but did you know about the dimmed red?
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No, and the bright pink. No, you didn't know no I didn't but now I know and knowing is half the battle
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- You don't know, that's the whole thing.
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You didn't read this document, and even if you read it,
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it will just bounce off your brain.
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There is no way anybody will remember this.
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- Fair enough.
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This is not a sponsor, but we wanted to take a moment
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out of our day to call your attention
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to the AppCamp fundraiser.
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AppCamp for Girls is a organization that's near and dear
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to all three of our hearts.
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We tend to sponsor their get-togethers at WWDC when we can,
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and they are trying to expand to three new cities,
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and they need a whole pile of money to do that
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because doing this sort of thing is not cheap.
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So we will put a link in the show notes
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to a fundraiser on Indiegogo
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that I have not yet had the opportunity to back
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because I've been traveling for work,
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but I will do so as soon as I am human again.
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So anyway, they are only about a little under halfway there
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as we record today, and it would be pretty awesome
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if we made them all the way there
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by the time we record next.
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Hint, hint, hint, hint.
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So AppCamp is a great organization.
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It does really great work in trying to encourage young girls
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to young women to explore technology
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and try to maybe see if they have a future
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in creating the kind of apps that Marco and I create.
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And they're smart enough not to ask these young girls
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to use Perl because then they would never want
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to program ever again.
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So if you want to give money to people
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who don't program in Perl,
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Please feel free to check out this link in the show notes and send them any of your money,
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even a dollar would help, and it would mean a lot to all three of us.
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You don't know they don't program in Perl.
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They could all be using Perl.
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There's probably some framework that lets you write to iOS apps in Perl, right?
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That's the one for every other language.
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I'm sure there's something on CPAN that makes it work.
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That's how it is, right?
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It is a completed thing.
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So like, you know, before you'd have to like
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kind of a pain and the things would get there,
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'cause the glass is nice and thin
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So fracture prints are incredibly practical
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and they look great.
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We get tons of compliments on them all around our house.
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We also give them as gifts very often.
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If you have someone in your life
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who you wanna give photos to as gifts,
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maybe it's a grandparent or something like that,
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that you know, giving photos of your family,
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this is a very common thing.
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And fracture prints are wonderful for gifts.
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People love them.
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And what that means is they can get backed up
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in the holidays, 'cause they have people
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- So let's talk about Ask ATP.
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Nathan Walls writes in,
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"Now that you have iPhones 10 in hand,"
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is it iPhones 10?
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I know that's the way they usually do it, God.
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- No, it's iPhone 10S.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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I just know that the Apple guidance is always so bananas.
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Anyway, now that you have iPhones 10 in hand, are you using or wanting to use a case with
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Which cases are you using?
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I'll start off, if you recall, my iPhone 7 was the first phone in a long time that I
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had naked, and I paid the price because I dropped it on the pavement and shattered my
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first screen.
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Luckily, I had AppleCare, and so that was taken care of.
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And then I quickly scratched the screen within about two weeks of getting it replaced, which
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is delightful.
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Anyway, for the iPhone X, it's apparently,
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I don't recall if we talked about this last episode,
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but it's like $200 or something like that
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to do a front screen replacement,
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and something like $500 to do a back glass replacement.
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- Yeah, something like that. - We did talk about it.
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You're very tired, I can tell.
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- Yeah, I am. - That's all right.
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- I am dying.
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But anyway, so the point is that it's extremely expensive
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to replace anything on this phone.
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I personally have not ordered AppleCare for my phone.
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I've been debating it, and I don't think I will, which we can play this clip when I inevitably
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break this phone in a few months, but I have put the official Apple leather case on it.
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I do quite like the official Apple leather cases.
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However, the thing that bothers me about most cases, including the Apple leather case, is
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that it makes doing gestures from the edge of the screen considerably more difficult,
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and that bums me out.
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But otherwise, it's a nice case.
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It's expensive.
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It's like 50 bucks, but it's a nice case.
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Marco, what do you got going on?
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- I am also caseless.
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That's almost caseless.
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I bet you have thought of that many times.
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So yeah, I'm also going caseless.
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I too was cased only with the 6 and 6S,
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not before or after.
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The 7 I got in jet black 'cause it was grippy
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and I love that.
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The 10 is, with the glass back and the smooth metal sides,
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I would say overall, so far, it does not seem as grippy as the iPhone 7, but it's not as
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slippery as the 6 and 6s, so I'm a little...
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- Well, slow down, though, slow down, though.
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It is way grippier than my beautiful but bar of soap matte black, or whatever they called
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Just black.
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- Right, yeah, whatever it was called.
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But the jet black is obviously a whole different animal.
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I'm not trying to argue that, but if you happen to be coming from a matte black iPhone or
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whatever the equivalent was,
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that I would say that the iPhone X
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is considerably more grippy than that,
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but it sounds like you're saying, Marco,
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it is less grippy than the Jet Black.
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- That's what it feels like so far.
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You know, it could just be 'cause like it's new
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and doesn't have all my hand oil on it
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from a year worth of hand oil,
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which is really gross, but that's how it works.
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It could be that, you know,
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but compared to the Jet Black, it is not as grippy,
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and it could also be that like while the glass
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is kind of grippy, the sides are now just regular metal
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again and so they're not. So it could be that I don't know. I
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have considered looking into some kind of like film or
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maybe like a little stick on like leather thing just for
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the back of it with not even the sides like they may you
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know they make just like kind of single panel decals or
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stickers or protectors for phones generally. So I was
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thinking about doing that just to make the back a little bit
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for a small amount of protection.
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I too did not get AppleCare as I explained last week.
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So I figure, you know, I'll see how it goes.
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If I drop it, everyone can make fun of me
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and maybe I'll start spending $200 a year
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on AppleCare from that point forward.
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But, right, but until I start dropping my phones,
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I'm coming out ahead by not doing that.
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- You're still doing your math wrong.
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You have to drop your phone enough times
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to equal all the $200, all the money you would have paid
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for all your phones.
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It's not $200 for each one 'cause it used to be cheaper,
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but you have to add up all that money,
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and then if you wanna try to balance the scales,
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you should really only start buying AppleCare
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after you match that amount.
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- Right, exactly, and so far I haven't had to do that yet.
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And yeah, I would have to pay full price
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for a lot of replacements to make my policy
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worth reconsidering.
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And also, cases are also part of that too.
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Cases are 50 bucks at least for a decent one
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from Apple or something, or a decent one from anybody else.
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You're generally looking at around that price range.
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So this stuff that you're paying
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for all these protective things,
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but you're paying a lot for that protection.
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And so you really have to be breaking things
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on a regular basis to make you come out ahead with that.
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So anyway, I am caseless, you are caseless.
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You are also caseless. (laughs)
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- Well, no, no, I'm not caseless this time.
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I was caseless. - Oh, that's right.
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I'm rocking the black leather this time.
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- Yeah, so how is it?
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- It's like every other black leather case I've had.
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I mean, I like it, it's very nice, but--
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- Like about the same one that they've been making
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since the six, basically?
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- Yeah, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, absolutely right.
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- That one was fun.
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- Yeah, I mean, and I choose black because when it wears,
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it doesn't really look any different.
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I know there's a lot of people that like,
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what is it, like saddle brown or whatever,
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and once it gets worn, it kinda gets that,
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I don't know, I don't know how to describe it.
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It's not really patina, but it has that like look to it.
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And I know a lot of people that really like that.
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That's not really my cup of tea.
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And I personally like a very quiet case
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in the sense of visually quiet.
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So I've always had black leather cases.
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Mike Hurley is apparently,
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I don't know if he's received it at this point,
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but was looking into getting a bumper,
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which actually sounded really interesting to me.
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I don't think it would be what I would choose
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because that, especially that back glass,
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if you shatter that, oof, that's a bad day.
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So I'm gonna stick with the black leather case
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and we'll see how that goes.
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- The other thing with any kind of case and bumper
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is that it does interfere with the side gestures.
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And even though, once you get one,
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like I used my 6 and 6S the entire time I had them
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with Apple's other case, and you do get used to it,
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but it does make the swipe in from the side gesture
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a little harder to do,
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and it gives you a little less room to do it.
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And also it just collects dust around that edge
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and everything, I don't know,
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I prefer not to use a case unless I really have to
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or unless I feel like I really have to.
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And so far with the 10, I don't think I'll need it.
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The only thing that makes me nervous
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is just how expensive it is to repair
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and that it is a new size
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that I'm still getting used to holding and using.
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So, and we'll get to that later on in the show a little bit.
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But so far, I think I'm gonna probably stay
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either caseless or with some kind of minimal
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like stick-on decal thing on the back
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just to increase grip.
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- All right, moving on.
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you do not have an iPhone X in hand, is that correct?
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I thought you were going to move on like last week where Marco edited out the part where
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I said whether or not I got AppleCare+.
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Just move right on, yes.
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Let's talk about the iPhone Xs, Marco and Casey get to stuff.
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It was all about your wife, it wasn't even about yours.
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So it wasn't, you know.
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That's the iPhone X we're talking about, it's the only one I have, I didn't get one.
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Anyway, to reiterate, we got AppleCare+ because my wife drops her phone, she dropped her previous
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Also on the leather case, the leather case for the 7 is way better than the leather case
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for the 6 was.
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Because they changed to like metal volume buttons that poke out through, whereas the
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6 had like these lumps in the leather.
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I don't know what the leather case for the 10 is, but I can tell you that the leather
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case for the 7 is a big upgrade over the 6 for all the buttons.
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And I heard people saying they really liked the leather case for the 10 that it had like
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aluminum buttons or whatever.
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Same thing with the 7 case, and that is much much better than the lumps.
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As for cases, I've always used a case on all of my iOS things.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, you've used a case and?
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And whatever I saw, you had like a little baggie that you would put your phone in as
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Oh yeah, no, I do have that as well.
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Oh, you had a little pouch.
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Yeah, I use the pouch mostly, I mean, I don't know why I started using it.
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I think I got it from my iPod touches.
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Mostly just so I can shove it in my pocket without worrying about anything hitting the
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screen and also it basically cleans the screen every time I do that.
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Around the house I don't use it, obviously, right?
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It's only when I'm going out or when it's in my pocket.
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Most of the reason I'm getting the cases is for hand grip and for surface grip.
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But in the modern era, I think the main reason I probably will never go without a case despite
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everything Marco said about gestures, which is true, is because it evens out the camera
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And that is super true on the X, as we will talk about.
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So yes, I'm using a case on my iPhone 7.
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My wife got silicone cases for her iPhone X,
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and because she is impatient and loves different colors,
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she got two of them just like she did.
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But I think maybe she got three for a 6S Plus.
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Anyway, silicone case looks good.
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- Yeah, actually, the leveling out the camera bump
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is a real thing, and that's another reason,
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'cause the camera bump on the 6 is noticeably larger,
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I think, than the previous ones,
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and so for the first time, I'm actually interested
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in leveling out the camera bump where I didn't care before.
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All right, so we have our next to ask ATP from Kapila Wimalaratne.
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Hopefully I got that right.
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"Do you think Siri lagging behind Google Assistant will eventually hurt iPhone sales?"
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And this individual says, "I'm currently very tempted by the Pixel 2."
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I don't know.
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It's an interesting question.
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I can tell you that I've gone through—I feel like my feelings about Siri go through
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kind of a sine wave, where the peak of the sine wave is like begrudgingly accepting how
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bad Siri is, and right now I'm in a valley because I friggin' hate Siri and I feel like
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it's constantly giving me wrong data or not understanding what I'm trying to tell it.
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But I don't have an Alexa in the house, I don't have a Google Home in the house, I don't
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really ever use any Android or Amazon devices, so I don't really know what I'm missing. And
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because of that, for me, I mean, obviously I'm all in on Apple anyway, but I don't think
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for me and people who don't have like these multicultural households, if you will, in
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terms of, you know, assistance, I don't know that anyone really realizes how crappy Siri
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is, including myself, but I'm curious to hear for like you guys that have multiple, you
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know, talking tubes in the house, do you think that this is a much bigger risk?
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For me, it depends on what you're using it for.
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For me, Siri is just one part of why I choose Apple products
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and why I love the iPhone so much
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and why I use the iPhone over other phones.
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I think Siri not being as good as it should be
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is a real problem, but it's a real problem
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that is of different degrees of severity
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depending on the product you're talking about.
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So for something like the HomePod,
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That's a big problem.
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If Siri is not somehow miraculously way better
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and way more consistent and way less sassy
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and way less personality on the HomePod
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than it is everywhere else right now,
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then the HomePod's gonna be, I think,
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really annoying to use in practice.
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Because when that's the only interface
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you have to something, it really has to be
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good and consistent and smart
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and it has to do the right thing every time.
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And that's what the Amazon Echo does.
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Like, the Echo's really, really good.
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It's really consistent.
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It hardly ever fails.
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And when it does fail, it doesn't do so
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with a cutesy response where it's trying to be funny
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that really just makes you wanna set the world on fire.
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Siri, in that kind of context,
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is gonna be a problem, I think.
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But, you know, for my phone,
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the other reasons I choose the iPhone
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are so much greater than the variance between Siri
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and the other voice assistants,
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that the other reasons will always overpower that difference.
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Even if the iPhone didn't have Siri at all,
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even if it did not have any voice interface at all,
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I would still choose the iPhone over anything else,
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just because the rest of it is so compelling
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compared to that.
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Now, other people might have different responses to that,
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but for me, and I think for a lot of people,
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I think the voice features are really secondary
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and they're convenience features on a phone.
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Most of what you do on a phone is not
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through that voice interface for most people.
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So, again, your use case may vary,
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but for me, I want Siri to be better for lots of reasons,
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and I think it needs to be better for lots of reasons,
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but it's not gonna kill iPhone sales
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in a meaningful way if it's not.
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So you missed the key booby trap in this question here, which is the word "eventually." Yes,
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that's right, it's everybody's favorite.
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On an infinite timescale? We need like an infinite timescale horn or something.
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Do you think Siri lagging behind Google Assistant will eventually hurt iPhone sales? So there's
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two aspects to this and the reason I picked this question.
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I wonder if I can fit a gong in my office. I have the bell up here. The bell is nice
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and small. A gong is not small.
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Infinite timescale gong.
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get a little desk gong, but I mean, if you're going to get a gong, get a real one, you know,
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get like the one like on the floor stand, you know.
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Your accessories need to be under control here. So the eventually part of this, if voice
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assistants become more and more important on phones and Siri continues to lag behind
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Google Assistant, then I think your calculus might change, Marco. If everyone else is talking
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to the phones constantly and get an awesome response from it and it's like the most convenient
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way to do a whole bunch of things, but Siri continues to lag behind.
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That may change your calculus on exactly how important you feel it is.
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Not that it's going to make you buy an Android phone or whatever.
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But the other angle on this is that Google Assistant is available on iOS.
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The only difference is that Apple privileges Siri to be the one with the good system integration.
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So Apple's ultimate out, if it can never get Siri to be as good as Google Assistant, and
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if voice assistants on phones become much more important than they are today, Apple
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always has the ability to say, assuming Google deigns to continue to be on iOS, which I assume
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they will because if they're on now and they have 80% market share, I don't see why they
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wouldn't be forever, is, "Okay, we will just make APIs so that any voice assistant has
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the same kind of integration that Siri does, and then voila, your iPhone has just as good
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a voice assistant as Google because it's the same voice assistant."
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That would be kind of a failure scenario and show that they couldn't hack it with Siri,
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But I think it is likely that voice assistants will become more important on phones than
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they are today.
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I'm not sure how far it'll go, but certainly it'll become more important.
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And more important, and to Casey's point about us having cylinders in the house, I continue
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to have really good customer stat, as Tim would say, for my silly Google cylinder that
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mostly I ignore the existence of.
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But every once in a while, in addition to asking you to set timers and do math for me,
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right, I will yell from three rooms away.
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even yell just like this is the most recent thing where I was blown away with
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it like I'm in my TV room but just like two rooms away it's like kind of on the
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other side of the house but on the same floor and we were having debate about
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the ages of actors on a show we were watching and I just asked to the air in
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a slightly louder voice than normal but not screaming you know name of actor how
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old how is this actor and how was that actor it gave me the answers like it
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didn't say I can't find it a person by that name or it didn't misspelled or
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mistranslated because it's powered by Google and Google is the ultimate engine
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for typing a bunch of characters that you think might approximate the spelling
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of a celebrity's name and because they're a celebrity it goes "I think I
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know who you meant even though you got that name totally wrong" and it works
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over voice too. That's not a very, you know, amazing thing to do but if I had
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taken out my phone and asked Siri to do it or asked the HomePod I can just
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imagine it picking a name for my contacts that sounds like the celebrity
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name and giving me their age or saying there's no birthday information or saying it couldn't
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provide that information. So I think the lead is real and I think it will eventually be
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a problem for Apple, but I think Apple has the ability to turn back the clock to 2007
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and say, "Google powers all of our cool cloud stuff because they're great at that,
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and we make the hardware in the OS," which would be bad as far as Apple's concerned,
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but it's always there as an out.
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David Schiesser The other thing I would say, though, is like
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in the context of phone sales, which is what the question was really about, we've had
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voice input on laptops now for a while, but it hasn't really resulted in people talking
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to their laptops very often. The primary way that people interact with their laptops by
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far is still typing and looking at things on the screen.
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My mom talks to her laptop a lot more than you would think. I think there is a kind of
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a divide of traditional computer users and people for whom even crappy voice is better
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than mouse and keyboard. It's not widespread, you're right, most people don't talk to their
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computers, but if voice assistants become better, I feel like that could start to change
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- Well yeah, but I'm saying like it's, we've had it now for a while and it's still, while
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some people do it, it still is not the primary way most people interact with it. And phones,
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we've now had voice assistants on phones for one day longer than Steve Jobs has been gone.
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So it's a while now, and they still have not become
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the primary interface for interacting with phones.
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And I feel like every form factor of computing device,
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you know, they become compelling, they become useful
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and popular to be used in certain ways,
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and you know, the laptop is established as like
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the mainstream PC thing, and there's a way you use a laptop.
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It's with a keyboard and a trackpad,
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and that's been established for some time,
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and nothing's really going to change
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meaningfully probably.
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A phone has been established to be a screen
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that's handheld or approximately handheld
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that you can touch with your finger
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and do multi-touch gestures and type on the glass
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and everything and have that be the primary interface.
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You can do other things with them.
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You can control it by voice.
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You can do other methods with these things,
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but those have been the primary interfaces.
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And over time, we really haven't seen anything to suggest
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that these basic form factor categories
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and the way you interact with them
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really meaningfully changes,
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or dramatically changes over time.
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You know, a laptop that you buy today,
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while the keyboard sucks and it has no ports,
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is roughly the same proportions and form factor
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as laptops we had 15 years ago, it's just better.
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You know, but it's the same general thing,
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the same approximate size, the same approximate,
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you know, class of device,
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and you interact with it roughly the same way.
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So a phone, over time, if you think about,
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even on your infinite timescale argument,
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phones might be replaced by something else down the road.
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Eventually they probably will.
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They're pretty damn compelling now,
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and they probably will be for quite some time.
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A phone's primary interface is very likely
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to remain touch for a very long time,
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probably for the entire rest of the time
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that phones are relevant devices that people carry.
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It doesn't matter what the primary interface is though.
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Like I agree with you.
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Like it's got a, it's a giant screen that you touch.
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Like of course that's going to be how you're going to interact with.
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But if voice becomes a more important part of how you interact with the phone,
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doesn't mean with the primary way.
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It doesn't mean you stop touching the screen.
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You're always going to touch screen.
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It's the whole point.
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Like you said, it's in your hand.
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It's a little thing in your hand until it's replaced by like magic
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eyeglasses or some other thing in your ear or something or whatever.
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Yes, you're going to be touching it primarily.
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But imagine, I imagine very frequently how much better voice could be when I'm
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driving a car and I hear my little phone being in my pocket, I would love to say, "read that
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text for me." But I can't say that. I can't even say, "hey Siri, read that text for me,"
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because it won't hear me because it's in my pocket, but it's connected to Bluetooth through
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my car, so it's using my car's crappy microphone. Like, it could be better. And for, you know,
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when voice didn't exist on iOS devices, people were just touching them entirely, right? There
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was no Siri, right? When voice was added, it didn't really change our lives that much,
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except maybe we use set timers and stuff,
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but it radically changed the way my mother uses iOS devices
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and Macs, because her primary typing interface is
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speaking to her devices now.
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Doesn't that mean that the primary way she uses her laptop
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or her phone is by voice?
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Of course not.
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She's using the mouse or the trackpad or her fingers
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to use the iOS device.
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But any time text input comes along, she dictates it.
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I can tell, because I see the Dictatos in all of her stuff,
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and I've seen her do it--
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You know where I picked the wrong word?
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Like a homonym or whatever?
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I'm picturing that as a vegetable even though I know what you meant but it's a little
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bit tictatus.
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Sometimes it's funny you have to kind of sound it out to figure out what she was supposed
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She doesn't go back and edit because editing would require her to try to like place the
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cursor in iOS on her phone and it, you know, it's not going to work with her vision and
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her fingernails.
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It's just not going to happen.
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But I think that really has changed how she's done things.
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And if you said you can have a computer or a phone but it won't do, you know, speech
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to text, she would not like it.
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So all I'm saying is that I think it could potentially become more important.
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And if Google Assistant gets to the point where I can do things like, "Who just texted
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Was that my wife?"
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Like if I can interact with it in kind of a naturalistic way, in a regular tone of voice,
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and have an expectation that it'll know what the heck I'm talking about and respond in
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a reasonable way, that is a game changer, right?
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You cross some threshold.
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Just like touch responsiveness, cross some threshold with the iPhone, it's like, "Oh,
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I see how touch is supposed to be."
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voice. It's not there yet, but I feel like it could get there and become a more important part
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of how your phone works. And if you saw everyone else driving with their Android phones, interacting,
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doing those interactions, not as their primary way of using their phone, but just like sometimes
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it's, that's the most convenient way to do stuff. If you see that happening and your iPhone can't
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do it because every time you try to talk to it, it like bloops at the wrong time or like tells
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you it can't help you or runs like a web search and says, I found five things about, is that from
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from my wife.
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- Yeah, that's fair.
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And I do, you know, you're right that like,
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if there's radical differences between Siri
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and its competitors, that does start to become an issue,
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but it's only an issue to the degree
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that voice input is important to that device.
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And so, if voice input is always the secondary way
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you're interacting with this thing,
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if you're mostly still touching it,
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and voice is just like the secondary set of features,
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it's way less important whether the voice input
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is mediocre or excellent.
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And so I think Siri can continue,
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and because the rest of the phone is so much better
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than its competitors, for almost everybody,
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for almost every recent, sorry Android people,
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that's the way it is,
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because the primary interface is so advanced
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and so compelling, the secondary interface, I think,
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has way more tolerance to be mediocre
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and still not make people change their buying habits.
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- I'm always depressed that I can't even get
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immediate family to get on board with iPhones.
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And this is the thing where I start to worry that even though it seems clear to us that
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iOS has advantages, like, you know, advantages that we appreciate, it's very clear that they
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are advantages that most of the rest of the world does not appreciate.
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Or at least they do not appreciate them enough to pay for them.
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So I, you know, my sister has an Android phone and she replaced it with another Android phone,
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and I couldn't convince her to get an iPhone.
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You know why?
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And I guess she said, well, I got this Android phone,
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and it was $200, but I got $150 Costco rebate.
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So it even cost less than that.
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Can you show me the iPhone I can buy for $150?
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And I was like, no, I can't show you the iPhone
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you can buy for $150.
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And there's no way I could convince her
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that a difference between $50 net and $800 for an iPhone,
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but don't you see how much better iOS is?
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It's like, I do not see $750 worth of difference.
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And that's why Android has 80% market share.
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Phones are such a commodity now
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that people just want a phone
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and occasionally they want a new phone.
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But it's like, who buys batteries?
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It's from the Seinfeld episode.
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Like, oh, you pay money for your phone?
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I got this phone for 50 bucks and it's fine.
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I got this phone for 50 bucks and it's fine.
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Might as well be the Android slogan.
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Like it is an incredibly powerful force.
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Like you cannot, there's nothing you can say to someone
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who says I got this phone for $50 and it's fine.
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'Cause they don't care about phones.
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They're not phone enthusiasts.
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They're not phone power users.
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They just want a phone that lets them do phone things and it's $50.
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And there's nothing you can say to them to say that this $1,000 iPhone X that reads your
00:38:49
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face like magic is like, "Don't you want this now?"
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It's like, "Mm, maybe if I have infinite money, but I got this for $150 and it's fine."
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Anyway, that's a different show.
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That's not the show.
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This is the show where we're about to talk about how much we love our iPhone X.
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So anyway, spoilers.
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Well, we still have one more AskATP to go through.
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Fernando would like to know,
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"Is Marco getting a Sony A7R III
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"since they addressed the battery concerns
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"he had with the Mark II?"
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So my understanding is your A7R II,
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if memory serves, the battery was just woefully
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under suited for the device
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and you were charging constantly.
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So is that inaccurate retelling
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and does the A7R III fix that?
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- Oh, by the way, before you answer,
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I love how this question calls
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the previous version of the Sony camera,
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the Mark II, that's kind of crossing the streams there,
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it's not the Mark II.
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- Yeah, that's the little Canon lingo,
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and before that many other things.
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Anyway, the A7R II, I had two main problems with it.
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The battery life was one, and the other was
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the general speed of handling.
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Things like reviewing an image that I had just shot,
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or just speed and responsiveness of the controls
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and the system and shooting and everything else.
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it was capturing those giant 42 megapixel images
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off that sensor, the camera's image processor,
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I think, just couldn't handle that very well.
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And so a lot of operations on the 5D Mark,
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or sorry, wow, on the A7R II are just really sluggish.
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And when I switched back to Canon
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and I got the 5D Mark IV instead,
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it's night and day difference.
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I mean, it isn't as many megapixels.
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I think it's only 30, you know, quote,
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only thirty instead of forty two, but processing those
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pixels and navigating and shooting and reviewing the
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images and zooming into the images to see if they're sharp
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and everything like it's just a million times faster on the
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five d mark four than it is on the a seven r two. So the a
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seven r three we just announced. I don't know if
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it's out yet, but it's either way it's it's out shortly or
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now and I when I sold my seven r two to Stephen Hackett, I
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I kept my two favorite lenses, the 55 and the 35 primes,
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because I thought, you know, lens resale value
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is not gonna change much in a year,
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and if I end up buying back into the Sony ecosystem,
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you know, I have these lenses, I don't have to rebuy them.
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So I kinda left the door open
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that I could go back if I wanted to.
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The a7R III promises to, it uses the new batteries
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that the a9 introduced, and the a9 is like
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a fast sports camera that I,
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that it's not really what I'd be looking for.
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It uses the same batteries that does,
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which have allegedly, I think like two and a half times
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the capacity of the old ones,
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and allegedly the A7R III also has a faster image processor.
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But until it's actually out,
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and until people can actually review it,
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and maybe I can rent one,
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it's hard to quantify that.
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It's like, well, how much faster is it?
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And how much better are those batteries?
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If it's only a little bit better,
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that's not good enough for me.
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If it can make it to the speed and responsiveness level
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of a Canon full-frame SLR,
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and with the battery life that could be similar,
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then we'll talk.
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But it's too early to know that yet.
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I am very tempted though, because in the Canon world,
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while I do absolutely love the speed and the handling
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and the basically infinite battery life
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that full-size SLRs have compared to mirrorless,
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I do miss those 42 megapixels when I try to shoot myself a new 5K wallpaper, and I also
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miss the in-body stabilization to make every lens stabilize, basically.
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So I'm curious to rent one when it comes out, whenever I can get my hands on a rental.
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It might be a while.
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But I'm not rushing out to buy it yet, because I think the most likely outcome here is that
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it will be better, but not better enough.
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[MUSIC PLAYING]
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It's iPhone time.
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It sounds like all three households have received at least one iPhone X.
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In the case of our house, I got one and Aaron got one.
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I got the whatever we're calling it-- whatever the Apple term is for black,
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256. Aaron got whatever the Apple term is for white, 256. Marco, how did your house
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>> Uh, white, 256.
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>> Uh, and then John, how did you end up?
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>> I didn't receive a phone. I had to go out and get it. If you remember recall, I
00:45:28
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ordered a phone, but it was like two to three weeks wait. But in the days since ordering
00:45:35
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the phone, I've been using the store app to try to do in-store pickup. And I forget
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like one weekend morning or at 8 a.m.
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I did my typical order and went to see what's available for in-store pickup.
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And I saw that my local Apple Store has the phone that I wanted.
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So I said please reserve that for me. I will come pick it up at the appointed time.
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And we did. And we came and picked up the appointed time.
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Now it was tricky because this is my wife's phone, remember.
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She had an outstanding order.
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And we did it the Verizon way where you enter all the information so that when you get the phone
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it's basically already assigned to her phone number.
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When you take it out of the box and activate it, it deactivates your other phone and everything, right?
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Right like it was that's we had that in process
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It would not let me reserve for in-store pickup a phone with her same number on it
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Right because it says you already have a phone that's you know in process the only way you can do this
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It said basically was to receive the order and then like I don't know return it or something
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I like it didn't even give you the option to say if you can't see other order
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We'll let you go through this order it said no you cannot do another order until that order arrives or whatever so instead I
00:46:35
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I ordered the iPhone X for me with my telephone number because my wife just wanted to get
00:46:42
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She's like, "Just do it.
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Just do whatever it takes to get the phone.
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We'll sort it out afterwards."
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And so we did.
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We ordered it with my phone number and my thing and took the iPhone X, went to the store
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to pick it up, took it out of the box.
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It activated as my phone.
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It deactivated my phone.
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Then we did some SIM swapping.
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And a couple of minutes later, we were busily updating the stupid thing to iOS 11.1 because
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it shipped with 11.0.1.
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I'm restarting from a backup and completely forgetting to do the watch thing which we'll discuss in a little bit.
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But all in all, she eventually got her, whatever the hell it is, black space grey 256 that now is correctly assigned to her telephone number.
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And I'm back on my iPhone 7.
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Alright, I'm going to just start with some of my impressions and if you guys let me I'll carry on until I'm done.
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But in all likelihood we're going to end up just all of us talking about everything.
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So I'll wait before you begin the point I wanted to make about the in-store pickup
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If you have an order with Apple and you're waiting like oh man
00:47:38
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I gotta wait three weeks just every day in the morning
00:47:40
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Go to the Apple Store app on iOS try to order it and see it and do in-store pickup
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It's before you complete the order
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It will show you what stores have the model the model and size available in your area available for pickup
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There's a lot of availability every single day new stuff comes in every single day in the morning. Just do that
00:47:57
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It's really easy to get a phone for local pickup
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before your one that you ordered comes.
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You can always just cancel your order, which is what we did.
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So I would encourage everyone
00:48:06
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who's being impatient with their phone, do that.
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Look for in-store pickup every day.
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- So initial impressions at the time,
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I tried to take some very, very, very brief notes.
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It's heavy, or at least I feel like it's heavy.
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Not bad heavy, just, oh, this is heavier, kinda heavy.
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Curiously though, the size doesn't act,
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I don't get actively reminded that it's bigger,
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if that makes sense.
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Like if I think about it for a half second,
00:48:34
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oh yeah, this feels bigger than what I'm used to.
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But it's not like the plus club
00:48:38
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where I feel like I'm holding a dinner tray.
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It's just, it's close enough to my old one
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that it feels about the same.
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Do you feel similarly,
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or do you feel like you definitely notice the size, Marco?
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- So I took notes as I was like experiencing it,
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just so I could get some opinions down.
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My first two notes are, it looks great period,
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it's heavy period.
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That's my first two, my initial reaction to it.
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Very, very clear.
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I actually just for the sake of comparison,
00:49:08
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I just pulled my iPhone 7 out of the drawer.
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And first of all, man this is way grippier.
00:49:13
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Jet flying iPhone 7, no question, way grippier.
00:49:18
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But yeah, the weight difference is immediately apparent.
00:49:21
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Going either direction, it's definitely a weighty phone.
00:49:25
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But I will say about the size, I agree with you,
00:49:28
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that it does not feel like a plus phone.
00:49:32
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I will say, though, it is like having a regular iPhone 7
00:49:37
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in your pocket and in other places,
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like in docks and in cars and in cup holders.
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It feels like an iPhone 7 physically,
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but when actually using it, it feels like using a plus
00:49:50
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because it's so much harder to reach things.
00:49:54
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- I see your point.
00:49:55
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- So to summarize, it's like having a plus in your hand,
00:49:59
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but a seven in your pocket.
00:50:01
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- I mostly agree with that, but I think in my hand
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that in my pocket, my main impression of it
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is that it's taller.
00:50:09
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I know it's not actually thinner, but because it's taller,
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when I mentally envision it and think about holding it,
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I think, oh, that's the one that's skinnier
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than my iPhone 7 but taller.
00:50:18
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It's not, right, but because it's taller,
00:50:20
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that's my impression, and Margot's 100% right with,
00:50:23
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OK, that's how it feels as a physical object.
00:50:25
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What happens when you start trying to touch a screen
00:50:27
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and you're like, oh, there's a lot more screen
00:50:29
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than there used to be, and some of it's harder to reach?
00:50:31
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- I can get behind that.
00:50:33
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I do feel like the width is the thing that I noticed most,
00:50:38
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or that makes me most uncomfortable.
00:50:40
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It's not, I don't feel like,
00:50:41
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I don't have numbers in front of me,
00:50:42
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it's not egregiously wider than what I'm used to,
00:50:45
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but it's wide enough that it's just
00:50:47
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ever so slightly uncomfortable.
00:50:49
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And I think Marco, you're 100% right,
00:50:51
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that yeah, the screen is big enough
00:50:54
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that this is really a two-hand phone,
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but I think because I just knew
00:50:59
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that the screen was going to be much bigger,
00:51:00
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that I was like mentally prepped for that,
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but I was not mentally or physically prepped
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for it being noticeably wider.
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And if there's ever a time that I'm reminded
00:51:10
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about the physical differences of the phone,
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it's because I'm trying to hold it
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and I feel like it's just a hint wider than I want it to be.
00:51:18
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- It also feels thicker to me.
00:51:19
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It may just be because my wife's got a silicone case,
00:51:21
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which might be thicker than the leather one that I'm used to.
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And I have no idea if it actually is thicker than the 7, but yeah, this is just how it
00:51:30
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When I think about the 10 in the silicone case versus the 7 in the leather, like I said,
00:51:33
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the opposite of Casey, that I feel like the 10 is skinnier, even though it isn't, and
00:51:37
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like, not as wide, right?
00:51:39
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And I also have the impression that the 10 is thicker.
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I didn't notice the weight as much as you two.
00:51:44
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I recognize that it is heavier, and I guess if I did them side by side I would notice
00:51:47
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that, but just having the 10 by itself, I don't notice the weight as much.
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I noticed that it's thicker and taller.
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- It is thicker.
00:51:54
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I just put them on a desk with their Kimbermans
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hanging off to normalize for the non-bump space.
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And yeah, it is thicker noticeably.
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I will say though, like I don't actually,
00:52:02
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like when I'm not doing a flat on the desk comparison test,
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it doesn't read to me as thicker.
00:52:08
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- Yeah, I would agree with that.
00:52:11
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I agree with what you said, Marco, that it's beautiful.
00:52:14
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One of the first things I noticed,
00:52:15
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and somebody else had said this on Twitter,
00:52:17
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and I don't recall who it was,
00:52:19
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But they had said it looks maybe it was panzerino. They had said that it looks as though
00:52:23
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The screen is photoshopped onto the device you're holding and I don't know if I would have character
00:52:30
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Characterized it that way had I not read it already, but that was a perfect description of it that
00:52:38
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It seems like the screen is just photoshopped onto this like object that you're holding it is so
00:52:46
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I'm assuming it's just that it's so close to the glass, even closer than it ever has
00:52:51
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I can't wait until they actually get a screen on the surface of something, because this
00:52:54
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is exactly what we used to say, like when they did the fused glass on the 4.
00:52:57
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I was like, "Wow, the pixels are cutting, they're so close to your fingers."
00:53:00
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And it's true, over time, the pixels have been getting closer to your fingers, and this
00:53:03
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is the closest yet, but I definitely think it was slightly overblown to say that it looked
00:53:07
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like it was Photoshop on.
00:53:08
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Yes, it does look like it's closer than other phones, but it doesn't feel to me as if I'm
00:53:13
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Running my fingers over a magazine picture cut out of a magazine right like it doesn't feel like the picture the pixels are on the
00:53:19
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Surface they're just barely below it. Yeah either way. Yeah, it just I think it's beautiful the screen looks great
00:53:26
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I am I don't have a good enough eye to be able to tell tell you anything about color reproduction or anything like that
00:53:31
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You don't notice the blacks. You know notice the black levels. You don't watch a movie on it
00:53:36
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I haven't really watched
00:53:37
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With credits in a dark room that has a black screen with a white title in the middle of yeah
00:53:41
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:42
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- And then hold up your seven with the same movie
00:53:43
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and realize the seven is showing a gray background
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with white text in the middle.
00:53:46
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- Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.
00:53:48
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I just don't think I'm discerning enough
00:53:51
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to be wowed by that until, to your point,
00:53:53
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I do a side-to-side test, or side-by-side test.
00:53:56
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- And it does HDR too.
00:53:58
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I realize that this iPhone X is the only HDR screen
00:54:00
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I have in my house.
00:54:01
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I watch some movies on it.
00:54:04
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I watch, try to find some HDR movies on iTunes.
00:54:06
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It looks pretty good.
00:54:08
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- Turns out.
00:54:10
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But yeah, the screen looks great.
00:54:12
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I will say that when I was on the plane earlier today,
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I happened to be sitting in the middle of two gentlemen
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that both had plus phones.
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I couldn't tell you specifically what vintage,
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but they were both plus size phones.
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And looking over at one of them,
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and this is probably just telling you
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how much of a jerk I am, but I was kind of repulsed
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by how big the chin and forehead were.
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I looked over and I was just like, "Oh, God,
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Those look ancient, and they do.
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- There's a place for you to stick your gum
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when you're not using it.
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Just put it right there. - Yeah, exactly.
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- And then when you're done, you can.
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- So better than under the table, right, Jon?
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'Cause at least you know which one's yours.
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No, seriously though, they both look so ancient
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and just old, like, oh, God, that looks so old.
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And in mine, I feel like this unequivocally
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looks like the future.
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And we'll see what happens with the notch.
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But it just looks way newer and way more modern.
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So while we're talking about the screen, one of the typical Apple
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problem with the new iPhone stories that went around was about the blue shift
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in the screen, the inherent quality of OLEDs.
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Apparently it is-- I don't have enough experience with OLEDs to load.
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That when you look at the screen head on, looks gorgeous.
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But if you tilt the screen a little bit away from you or towards you
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or whatever that the colors shift towards blue.
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And so when I got the phone, I tried this and they're right.
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It shifts blue when you do that.
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- Oh, it definitely does.
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- But without looking, no cheating,
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what happens on a pre-10 iPhone
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when you tilt the screen off axis?
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Don't do it, don't pick up your phone and do it.
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Just tell me, this is the pop quiz,
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what happens on a pre-iPhone screen
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when you tilt it away from you towards you?
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- Goes yellow?
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- I have no idea because it doesn't matter
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because I always look at my phone straight on
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or not at all.
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I'm gonna have to look at it diagonally.
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I won't care if it shifts slightly.
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Like, this is such a non-issue.
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- I don't think you actually do always look at it on axis.
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Like, and, because I think you do look at it tilted.
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I just think that changes in color, like this blue shift,
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are subtle enough that nobody cares.
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And to spoil it for you, what pre-10 iPhones do,
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what essentially IPS LCDs do, is they get dimmer.
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Instead of getting dimmer in all RGB spectrum equally, the X gets dimmer in the R and the
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G, leaving the B a little bit more.
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I'm not quite sure why it does this, but that's how it works.
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But if you now take them both and put them in front of you and tilt them both, their
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off-axis viewing is not great on either one of them, right?
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But as Marco said, either you're always looking at a head-on or it's tilted to such a degree
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that you don't care.
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So if you read a story about the iPhone 10 OLED screen blue shifting, it does, but it
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is no more egregious than what every iPhone you've ever done has done.
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And I think most people will, even if they've read 100 stories about this and are terrified
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about it, you will not notice it in practice.
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And the screen looks amazing from any angle in all situations.
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Yeah, it's a total non-issue.
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The fact that neither of us, neither me or Casey, could tell you what happened if you
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looked off access to all the previous screens.
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I couldn't have told you either. I had to do it. I'm like, "Well, maybe, you know,
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LCDs, especially IPS LCDs, are well known for really good viewing." So I'm like, "Oh,
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well, I guess it's just a disadvantage of OLEDs. I'll take it because I like the black
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levels, but LCDs don't do that, right?" Then I took my iPhone 7 and tilted it. I'm like,
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"Nope. Pretty bad. Pretty bad. Tilt it." And it gets very dim, very fast. Like, "Ooh,
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I'd never noticed that before." And why? Because you just don't. You just don't in
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normal usage.
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Yeah, like after 10 years of using these things, none of us could tell you what happened. So
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it's obviously not a big problem in practice.
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And now that you look like go look for go take your iPhone 7 and put it on a white screen tilted
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It's not subtle like it gets really dark really fast like noticeably like if you put this on camera
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It'd be like terrible flaw iPhone screen like that's just how the LCDs work, and we're all just used to it, and it's fine and
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the blue thing
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Should not bother most people
00:58:12
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Speaking of things that should not bother most people
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Notched in portrait is a hundred percent a non-issue for me. Maybe you guys feel differently
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give you a chance in a second, but for me in portrait, 100% a non-issue. In landscape,
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it's weird. I don't think it's as egregious as I expected. Well, in either direction, but particularly
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landscape, but it's definitely weird and noticeable in landscape. It doesn't actively offend me,
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but it is kind of like, huh, that's funny. So John, in your usage, what have you thought of
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of the notch. So the notch itself in portrait, the only way it manifests for me in a negative light
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is what it does to the UI in terms of, well this is not really the fault of the notch, but I suppose,
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but like the the control center and the notifications. As I said in past shows,
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I think it's a really clever use of, you know, making lemons out of, making lemonade out of
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of lemons. Really clever use to decide, okay now we have this physical blob there, we have
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two distinct regions that are distinguishable and can do different functions, so they put
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control center in one and notifications on the other. But due to the very large size
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of the phone, I don't want to go all the way to the upper left to get notifications. If
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I could go to the top middle or top right for notifications, that would be way more
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convenient for me as someone who mostly holds their phone in their right hand. And that's
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That's how the notch is annoying me, because it's pushing a semi-commonly used control
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farther away from my thumb, right?
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So that's, yeah, but other than that, like, the actual notch itself, like, mucking up
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my screen, in portrait I don't even notice that it's there and it's a non-issue.
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In landscape, I don't tend to use my phone landscape.
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Landscape, the main thing that annoys me is the proportion of the phone in terms of, like,
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viewing video, which is what I'm going to do.
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It seems like a lot of the screen is wasted, depending on what the aspect ratio is.
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All in the chat room is saying that the entire thing is a notification set for the right
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Yeah, but I can't use the right corner.
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And also, it doesn't occur to me to swipe my fingers over the notch to do it most of
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the time, even though you can, if only because I don't want to smear my greasy fingers over
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the lenses of the cameras, which probably makes no difference because of focal distances,
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but it's still something that I am averse to.
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And like I said, it's not like, "Oh, do you always use the upper right-hand corner of
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No, but my 7 is not this damn tall.
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So it's stressing this out.
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In landscape, like I said, I feel like a lot of the screen is often wasted in landscape
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and applications that do go full with landscape, I don't need them to say, "Oh, I wish you
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could have used that last little bit."
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Imagine if you're reading a webpage in landscape or very often I'm rotating some stupid person's
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image of text.
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They upload a heavily compressed JPEG of text that I can't read in portrait because the
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line length is 700 characters long.
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to rotate the landscape just so the image can get big enough for me to read their paragraph
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of screenshotted text without scrolling the image left and right like a typewriter.
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Trenton Larkin Oh, yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep. I've been here a thousand times.
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Geoff - Right. Even then, I don't think the Notch bothers me. It looks awkward in screenshots. And
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if you're designing an app, I can imagine you going, "Oh, how am I going to deal with this
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thing in landscape?" But so far in practice, the Notch hasn't bothered me, you know, its presence
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and the lack of me having those pixels between the two ears
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has not bothered me in any orientation,
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and just in portrait, it's the reachability thing
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that's bothering me a little bit.
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- Yeah, I have basically the same opinion.
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The notch really has not bothered me much.
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It annoys me a little bit sometimes,
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but in practice, it's almost like
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the iPhone 7 virtual home button thing.
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Like, I thought beforehand,
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you know, many of us thought beforehand,
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like, this is gonna be a big problem,
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it's gonna be a huge thing to get used to,
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it's gonna be really annoying.
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And then in practice it just wasn't.
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And that's how the notch is proving to be for me.
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Like, as a developer, it's a huge pain in my rear end.
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It's mostly in landscape.
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But as a user of the phone,
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it really is not that noticeable most of the time.
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I will say I do notice it when transitions happen
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that push content under it
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or pull content out from below it.
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So leaving an app, opening an app,
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Any kind of full screen that gets presented in an app
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and then later dismissed, like you kinda,
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when your eye is kinda drawn to notice
01:02:38
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vertical things like that, that reach the top of the screen,
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I do notice it more.
01:02:43
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But most of the rest of usage, I don't notice the notch.
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It really isn't a problem.
01:02:47
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And the only other time I notice it is
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when I try to tap it to scroll to top, and doesn't work.
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Like, 'cause the notch is not touch sensitive.
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So you can tap near the notch and it will scroll to top.
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You can tap the ears, it will scroll to top,
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but the actual Notch's help is not touch sensitive.
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- They should just do what the drawing app does
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and make the camera a button.
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- Yeah, where they just leave the camera on
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and just sense when you put your finger over it,
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blacks it out.
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Oh, what a hilarious but clever hack that was.
01:03:17
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Didn't make it through App Review, turns out.
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What a surprise.
01:03:21
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But anyway, yeah, so yeah, Notch so far,
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it really doesn't seem to be a problem.
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You can argue whether they need it to be there,
01:03:32
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whether they could have done something more like the S8,
01:03:35
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but I think what they did actually works.
01:03:39
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It pains me to say that because the notch is so weird,
01:03:42
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and in landscape it really is a mess,
01:03:44
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but I never use my phone in landscape
01:03:46
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unless I'm watching a video,
01:03:47
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in which case I can have it do the zoom thing
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where it doesn't show over the notch,
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which I think any right-thinking person should.
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- But you wouldn't want to, you'll never,
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like the video thing is not something
01:03:57
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that people should worry about
01:03:58
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because very little video,
01:03:59
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unless you're watching like "Lawrence of Arabia"
01:04:01
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or something that's like, you know,
01:04:02
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really, really wide aspect ratio.
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- Right, right.
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- The phone is not the same aspect ratio
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as most TV and movies.
01:04:08
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It's wider than most TVs and movies.
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The only time the notch would interfere with your video
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is if you're zooming to cut off the tops
01:04:13
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and the bottom of your pictures.
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It's a really tall phone,
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and when you turn it sideways, it's really wide.
01:04:18
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- Yeah, so overall, notch, not really a problem.
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It isn't perfect, it's a little weird sometimes,
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But overall, it seems fine.
01:04:29
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- So unlike the iPhone 7 home button
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or whatever it was that I'm moving home button was introduced
01:04:34
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I don't think we'll be here next year saying,
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and you know what, I actually prefer the notch
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to having no notch.
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Like it won't actually become our preference.
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And as I said, I think when we were talking
01:04:42
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about the notch a couple episodes ago,
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Apple doesn't want the notch to be there.
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It's a compromise that is necessary
01:04:47
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for a whole bunch of other stuff
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that we're gonna get to in a little bit, right?
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If Apple can get rid of the notch, they will.
01:04:53
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And no matter how big a part it becomes of branding,
01:04:55
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eventually this notch is going away when the tech exists to do it because if Johnny Eyes
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is still alive, bless his heart, the true elemental form of the iPhone is to be an unbroken
01:05:05
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– well, it's not a round rack, hyper-ellipsoid, whatever the hell shape like he's going
01:05:10
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to make this phone.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Completely uniform.
01:05:13
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And by the way, speaking of completely uniform, that's another thing about this phone.
01:05:17
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It is more symmetrical, more physically, tactically, tact – what's the word?
01:05:24
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Yeah, tactically and touch sensitively like the surface features of it are more symmetrical than almost any other phone
01:05:32
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Certainly, I think it than any other iPhone, right?
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Because they all had something that was indented in some way on the bottom to tell you
01:05:40
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That's the chin and then the thing without the indents is the forehead or you could feel the little speaker slit for the forehead or whatever
01:05:47
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It's not like an Apple TV remote and especially if you have a case it's pretty easy to tell
01:05:53
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What's up? And what's down because the case apples cases at least don't have anything on the bottom which will become super important
01:05:59
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When we start talking about how you use the stamp phone
01:06:04
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It have come closer than I've ever come before to briefly attempting to pick up a phone in the wrong orientation
01:06:10
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So that is a factor and when Johnny gets his way and it is really truly uniform and there's no notch and like everything is
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It's the police featureless
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beautiful polished stone
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I mean maybe won't matter because maybe like you can pick it up any way you want and the orientation won't matter because at that
01:06:26
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Point Johnny's removed the volume buttons as well, and we just all talk to it to change the volume
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It's really convenient just tap triple tap 3 or tap over to V and Morse code
01:06:33
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And it will change the volume or just say hey, sorry turn the volume up 80%
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Anyway, I'm getting all snarky, but but either way that that is a factor with the 10
01:06:41
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It is more symmetrical than previous iPhones, and there's the possibility of you occasionally
01:06:45
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Getting confused about which way is up, but only briefly
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I don't think it's really a problem, but it's in the first few days with the phone, I have
01:06:52
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that experience.
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I will say one area where they changed the symmetry aspect a little bit, I think for
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the better, is that unlike the 6, 7, and 8 and their Plus varieties, the sleep/wake button
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is now no longer perfectly overlapping symmetrically with the volume up button.
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Now the sleep/wake button has moved down slightly, so it is centered between the volume up and
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down buttons.
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So now it is substantially easier to hit sleep wake
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or volume up without hitting the other one accidentally.
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- But then you do have to hit them for,
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that's how you get the shutdown thing to come.
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- Yeah. (laughs)
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- So you will actually still be squeezing the buttons.
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- I mean, you can still do it.
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- Or doing the command alt delete sequence
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or whatever the hell that thing does.
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What is that, change to DFU mode where you do volume up,
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volume down, volume down, volume left, volume left,
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volume right, volume right, select start.
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- Yeah, anyway, yeah.
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But the other thing I will say though
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about the sleep wake button,
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I do love finally that it is no longer
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lined up perfectly with volume up.
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However, it is fairly difficult to double click it,
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which makes it really annoying to use Apple Pay.
01:07:57
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- Yeah, you're actually gonna take seven screenshots
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from when you try to pay for something.
01:08:00
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- Yeah, like I have found Apple Pay
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is fairly tricky to invoke with that double click.
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- My poor wife would, like I told her how to use Apple Pay.
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I didn't tell her the story about the people
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being confused about the touch thing,
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But it did say, oh, when you do Apple Pay now,
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just so you know, you hit the power button twice, right?
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But you know what it's like when you're in a checkout line
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and there's the pressure for you to perform, right?
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And it's your new phone.
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It's your new phone and you haven't used it before,
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but you don't wanna look silly
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and you don't wanna hold people up.
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And I think what she was doing was,
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you know how it brings up that little thing on the screen
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that has a highlight on the screen, says,
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"Here, press this button twice to activate Apple Pay,"
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or whatever, you know that thing?
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I think she was tapping on that on the screen.
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And of course it's not doing anything and she's being flustered and I think she eventually
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figured it out.
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But first experience, I think that guide, that thing trying to tell you what to do,
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is a good interface and that will help people.
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But under pressure with people behind you with a checkout line, everyone can be a little
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So tiny bit of a learning curve there.
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Practice beforehand and I'm sure it will be fine.
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- It's also annoying when you're downloading a new app
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from the App Store.
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App Store purchases have the same thing,
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where you have to double tap that thing, the side button.
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If you hold your phone in your left hand,
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that's surprisingly hard to do
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without hitting any other buttons accidentally.
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So it's not a good gesture.
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I also wonder, why does that need to be there?
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Why can't you just tap on the screen?
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- Or swipe up from the bottom,
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or do literally anything else.
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- Yeah, why can't there be an on-screen gesture to do that?
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I don't understand why that has to be
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the only way to approve payments.
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Like maybe if you're like holding your phone down
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like on a subway turnstile, you want something
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that's not on the screen to activate it, I guess?
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- Yeah, yeah, I think you want a hardware thing
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as a fallback.
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- Yeah, but like why can't I just tap a button on screen
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saying, you know, pay?
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Like I don't understand why I need to double tap
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a hardware button while Face ID has already authenticated me.
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That doesn't make sense to me.
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- Right, yeah, especially since you have to do Face ID
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anyway before that.
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- So it knows I'm right here.
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Like it just, yeah, that's like the one,
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There's one of two changes to iOS that really, I think,
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were wrong calls to accommodate for this phone.
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That and Control Center's location.
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I really hope that iOS 12 changes both of those things
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or gives us options to change those things
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because most of iOS has adapted somewhat gracefully,
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at least, to this phone, but that double tap
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to confirm payment and the Control Center
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being completely unreachable.
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Those are big problems.
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- Where would you put Control Center if not there?
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Because I agree with you 100% that it is really
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an inconvenient location, but I'm at a loss
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as to where it should go.
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- You could swap it for reachability,
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swipe down on the home indicator,
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which doesn't make sense physically, but you can try it.
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- Yeah, I turned on reachability,
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I figured I might need to use it 'cause the phone's so tall,
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and I really have a hard time activating that, honestly.
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it is not an easy gesture to do,
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because the area that you have to swipe down in
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doesn't have a lot of height,
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and it's already at the very bottom of the phone,
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so if you reach all the way to the bottom,
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which ironically for a feature named Reachability
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is actually not that easy,
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and then swipe down, which is also not that easy
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from already being at the bottom,
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so that's not an easy gesture to do.
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There's lots of options
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where they could put Control Center.
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I think some of them could be certain,
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maybe if you swipe up when you're already
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on the home screen, you know, something like that,
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or it could be like the top half of notification center,
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somehow, like there's other, you could like swipe,
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and it could be on the widget screen,
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like there are so many places that they could put it.
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You know, I hope they figure something out that's better,
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because where they put it now is,
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they've basically taken the controls
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that you are more likely than average
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to have to use while holding the phone
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one-handed on the move,
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and they have put them in the location
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that has the least possible to reach in that situation.
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So I think where they put it now is so bad
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that pretty much any other option would be better.
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- Yeah, I think Control Center itself could use some help,
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and other people have mentioned this,
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like the lock screen now suddenly becomes much more usable
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when it's not, you know, when face ID is in the mix,
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like the fact that we can wake the phone up
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by touching the screen now means that suddenly,
01:12:28
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if I could configurable things from Control Center
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on the screen instead of just flashlight,
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What is the other one?
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It's flashlight and camera, which you don't even need a camera there because you can swipe
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from the side.
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There are a few other options.
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There's like Apple TV Vermotes and stuff, but they made it slightly configurable on
01:12:45
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iOS 11, which was nice.
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It was welcome, but yeah, they could do a lot more.
01:12:49
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There's a lot of room on the screen, and Control Center itself from whenever they changed
01:12:52
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this new Control Center.
01:12:53
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I guess it was iOS 11.
01:12:54
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Yeah, you can configure it by saying which things you want in it, but you can't rearrange
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And the ones you configure get to go down in the other area as they slowly built.
01:13:02
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There's a lot of room for improvement and customization there.
01:13:05
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And some of that might actually help with the reachability control center.
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Not the activation, but once you activate it, if things can be nearer the upper right,
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because that's where your thumb's gonna be, because that's where it just was to activate
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it, like it just changes the calculus on how easy it is to reach things.
01:13:19
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And while we're on this topic of Marco talking about the reachability gesture being tricky,
01:13:25
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before we get to Face ID, the other important aspect of this phone, the lack of a home button,
01:13:32
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manifests in all of us learning about the lovely swipe up from the bottom of your iPhone
01:13:37
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10 gesture, which is the replacement for hitting the home button, and also depending on how
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fast you do it to get you into multitasking and stuff like that.
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But really, one of the most common operations we all do on iPhones and have been doing for
01:13:47
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a long time is essentially hitting the home button to go home.
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Face ID and touch ID, which we'll talk about in a bit, is a separate thing.
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And when you talk about touching the home button, sometimes it gets confused with Face
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It's like, "Well, you have to try Face ID multiple times.
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Sometimes your finger is wet, and sometimes you just don't have it at the right angle."
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All that is true.
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But there's one thing I never have to try to do twice, and that's pressing the home
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button for a non-Touch ID purpose.
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Yes, I do have to futz with Touch ID.
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I do it all the time.
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Touch ID is really fast.
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It works great most of the time, but every once in a while I have to futz with it.
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Never, when I'm using my phone, I'm in an app,
01:14:28
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and I still go back to the home screen.
01:14:29
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I tend not to double tap for, you know, multitasking,
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but even if I did that, single tap or double tap,
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it works every time.
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I never miss the tap.
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I can feel where the button is, and when I press,
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it works, physical button, fake home button
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that doesn't move, either way it works.
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With iPhone X, that gesture to go home,
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I don't know how frequently,
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but a non-zero amount of the time,
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I have to make a second or even a third attempt at the swipe up from bottom gesture.
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And remember, there's no case there interfering with me.
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The Apple cases do not extend across the bottom.
01:15:01
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And I watch my wife use the phone, and she too, every once in a while, has to try that
01:15:06
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swipe again.
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It's not particularly time consuming, but for a very common operation, this is one of
01:15:12
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the aspects of using the phone that feels like a slight downgrade.
01:15:16
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The reliability of what used to be a very, very reliable thing, pressing the home button.
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now has entered the realm of sort of like Touch ID wear.
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You might have to try it again.
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And I'm not sure why I'm missing.
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Am I missing because I'm not shimmying my hand lower and the phone is larger?
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I'm not getting good swipe on it.
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Am I missing because I'm just not good at edge swipes because I've had a case and it's
01:15:40
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a different thing when the edge has no case and I'm missing the target area?
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Am I starting too high?
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Am I starting too low?
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I don't know what it is, but I'm having to swipe multiple times.
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you guys had this experience where you got to make a second attempt at the home gesture?
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I feel like I have, but it very quickly got a lot better over time.
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Yeah, I have not had any unreliability for that. I mean, it took me maybe a half a day
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to get used to it.
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You should watch yourself or have someone else watch you to see if you're just instinctively
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doing it. Like, swipe up once. Because it's not time consuming. You're already there.
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The second swipe is pretty quick, and I don't think I ever have to do it more than two or
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three times, but I thought maybe it's just me, so I watched my wife without telling her
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that I'm watching her do this, and I've seen her do it as well too.
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- Oh my god, to live in your house, Jon.
01:16:24
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- It's her phone, so she's mostly using it.
01:16:26
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It could be a learning curve thing, I'm willing to acknowledge that, I'm just saying like
01:16:29
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first week impressions, first few day impressions, that is happening to me a little bit.
01:16:34
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- I mean, while we're on the subject of the home swipe, I think another kind of questionable
01:16:38
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area for me is the multitasking gesture.
01:16:42
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I know everyone has their little tricks for like, oh, you used to do a little circle,
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or you press and hold or whatever else.
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But no matter how you do it,
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bringing up multitasking takes a little bit more time now.
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It's a little bit more error prone.
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And if you want to force quit an app,
01:16:58
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now granted, I know this is a controversial topic,
01:17:01
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and you shouldn't need to force quit apps,
01:17:03
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but sometimes you need to force quit apps.
01:17:04
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And that is now significantly slower than it was before,
01:17:08
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'cause now you have to, unless I'm missing something.
01:17:11
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- Press and hold.
01:17:12
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- Yeah, you have to bring up the multitasking switcher,
01:17:15
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yourself as slow, then you have to press and hold
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on the app to enable the little wiggle mode
01:17:18
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like they have on the home screen,
01:17:19
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although they don't wiggle anymore,
01:17:20
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and then hit the minus button to force quit it.
01:17:23
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And that is significantly more gestures and more time
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than double tap the home button, swipe up,
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which is the previous way to terminate that.
01:17:32
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- I like that because it's punishing habitual force quitters.
01:17:35
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- It is, but it is also, the problem with the
01:17:40
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force quit controversy, the reason why
01:17:44
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we can't just say like, oh, you should never need
01:17:46
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to force quit apps, is because sometimes
01:17:48
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you do need to force quit apps.
01:17:49
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It's hard to look at something like this
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where it makes the force quit a lot harder to do
01:17:53
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and a lot more hidden of a thing you can do.
01:17:56
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It's hard to look at that and say,
01:17:57
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well, that's a definite clear win
01:17:59
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because you shouldn't need to do this.
01:18:01
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'Cause yeah, you shouldn't need to do it,
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but you do need to do it.
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You know, so like, and maybe not for battery life
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for reasons necessarily, although sometimes
01:18:09
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that is the reason, some apps you do need to do that
01:18:12
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for battery life, but it's a kind of thing
01:18:16
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where it would be nice if you never had to do this,
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and then you could make it impossible to quit an app,
01:18:21
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because why even have a way if you never have to do it?
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But we do still have to do it,
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and so to make it harder is annoying.
01:18:29
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- It's not that much harder.
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The press and hold, I'm the hater of press and hold
01:18:32
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as much as anybody.
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I hit any action where I have to do something
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for a set amount of time and there's no way to speed it up,
01:18:37
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but for this action, I mean, I don't do it often enough
01:18:41
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that I would be annoyed by the press and hold,
01:18:43
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because once you press and hold, you're in the mode
01:18:45
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and you can kill multiple apps by going kill, kill, kill,
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kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, kill,
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so people can still do that.
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There's just a slight delay when you do press and hold
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to get into the mode.
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I'm more with you on multitasking,
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which I find very difficult to get into,
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mostly because you have to like either pull up slowly,
01:19:00
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like there's a whole bunch of moves.
01:19:01
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You can still, the thing that they added that I think
01:19:03
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is nice is if you want to switch back and forth on apps,
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you can swipe side to side with no delay.
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Like you don't have to do any weird motion,
01:19:09
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But if you wanna bring up the switcher,
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especially, especially, this kills me,
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if you wanna bring up the multitasking switcher
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from the home screen,
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I would wonder if you just surveyed people,
01:19:17
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new iPhone 10 users, ask them, this is hard,
01:19:20
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find new iPhone 10 users who know about
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the multitasking switcher,
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but don't know whether or not you can bring it
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from the home screen and ask them,
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"Hey, can you bring up the multitasking switcher
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from the home screen?
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I bet people think you can't do it."
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Because that gesture for some weird reason
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is so much harder for me to do
01:19:36
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than it is from within an application.
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Do you guys find that?
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- You don't have a problem, go do it now.
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Take out your phone right now.
01:19:42
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- I've been doing it during this entire conversation
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and I have about a maybe two-thirds success rate.
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Don't do it.
01:19:49
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- Wait, you're talking about the come up and stop
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or the inverted L?
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- From the home, from Springboard.
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Go to Springboard and bring up the multitasking switcher.
01:19:57
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- Mm-hmm, yeah.
01:19:58
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- I find that very difficult to do.
01:19:59
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Bring up the multitasking switcher from apps is just slow,
01:20:02
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but I don't fail at it.
01:20:03
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From the home screen, I fail at it.
01:20:05
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- It's the same exact gesture.
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- I know, it shouldn't be, what's different?
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I don't know what's different.
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All I know is that I am not,
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is it because they hide the home indicator
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and I somehow need that line on the bottom of the screen?
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I don't know what the problem is.
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- Oh, interesting, okay.
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I can understand that.
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- Maybe I'm miss aiming.
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Swiping up from the bottom is not my forte, let me tell you.
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And again, this could just be a learning curve,
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but initially, like the first 10 seconds I'm using the phone
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I thought, oh, you can't bring up
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the multi-sensing swisher from home?
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That's what I thought.
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And then eventually I figured out how to do it.
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But despite that, after figuring out how to do it,
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I would go to the home screen and be like,
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all right, we're gonna do it this time.
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Ah, nothing, I'm swiping up uselessly.
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Try again, do I have to go faster, slower,
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am I starting in the wrong spot?
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And then eventually it comes up.
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But I'll point out this is another area.
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Double tapping the home button
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works every time the first time.
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I can find the button, I double tap it,
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it always brings up the multi-tasking switcher.
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- Not if you have a triple tap shortcut
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for an accessibility feature enabled.
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- Oh, I don't have that.
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- Then it fails a lot. - You have these features
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- For app development, I'm sure that you have to test
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all this stuff, but I don't have that stuff.
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- My life changed when I could just have Siri
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turn on a voiceover.
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Then I could finally turn off the triple click,
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'cause there were so many times when I would try
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to open up the app switcher, accidentally triple click,
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instead of double clicking, because the button
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was a little bit mushy or something.
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And then somewhere out in the world where I'm in public,
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my phone says, "Voiceover on!"
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"Yeah, turn it off, turn it off!"
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- I will say that I spoke to Aaron very briefly
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before I recorded and asked her what she thought of her phone. And one of the things that she
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really did not like was the change in multitasking, because she felt like it was considerably
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more fiddly. And there are, like Marco was saying, there are occasions when she will
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want or need to force quit an app, and it was really annoying to her that the new mechanism
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What are these occasions, and why are you both encouraging people to do this?
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- You know what, it's gonna be really bad.
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It's gonna be next fall when we're trying to order
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a replacement to this phone using the Apple Store app
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on the phone and trying to force-quit it over and over again
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to get it at three in the morning.
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- Oh God, you're right. - It's gonna be a disaster.
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- Think about that.
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- We're all gonna fail.
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- So Casey, when are you encouraging Aaron to,
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why is she force-quitting apps?
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Why, what is she doing this for?
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- I don't know why you're so deeply offended by this.
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She is not a habitual force-quitter,
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but there are times when apps do things that are not right.
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- I'm like, "What, when, which apps?
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"Does she use Facebook?"
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I'm trying to figure it out.
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- Well, yes, she does use Facebook,
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but I don't have to frickin' justify her actions to you.
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You're not the boss of her.
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- I know, I know, but I'm just saying,
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shouldn't you be saying,
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if force quitting is such an important part
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of your iPhone workflow, what's going on there?
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Are you using an application that always misbehaves
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that you have to use anyway?
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Because I don't think it should be a regular part of people.
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It should only be when an app is broken or misbehaving.
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And if an app is broken or misbehaving--
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You know what? A lot of apps are broken and misbehave all the time. Like Facebook.
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But if they're broken or misbehaving frequently, you stop using that app.
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Like, broken means you come back to the app and the screen is all black or whatever.
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Tell people to stop using Facebook. Good luck with that.
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Well, I know. That's why I'm asking. That's why I'm asking.
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If it's Facebook, you can say, "Oh, it's because she uses Facebook."
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And I'd say, "Okay, well, that's why it's important."
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But I figured you'd know what it is.
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I don't pay attention to how often I force quit apps.
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I feel like maybe once a day I'll force quit an app.
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And I would say the only reason I do it
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is because I feel like that app is misbehaving.
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Now which app--
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- That's where you start getting into the voodoo.
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You feel like, "I feel like this app is bad."
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- No, the problem, no, Jon, you're misconstruing--
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- And I wanna make it stop being bad.
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And then you force quit it, and you're like,
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"I've stopped it from being bad.
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"Now I feel better."
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- You're misconstruing me not being able
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to cite a specific example
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with me just doing it because magic.
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It's not that I'm doing it because magic.
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It's not magic, but you don't have enough instrumentation in iOS to really, really know
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whether what you're doing is helping or not.
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It makes you feel better, but are you doing like scientific tests to, you know, A/B tests,
01:24:12
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force quitting, not force quitting?
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No, you're not.
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You're just saying, "I get the feeling that this thing is doing a thing that I don't want,
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and I want to stop it."
01:24:18
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No, no, no, that's...
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But, okay, so let me give you an example that does not happen often, but I know you're not
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going to let this go until the king is satisfied.
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So as an example, on occasion, Tweetbot will be in, I know, okay, Twitter, blah, blah,
01:24:31
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Tweetbot will be confused as to whether or not it can be in streaming mode.
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And when I'm on Wi-Fi, I prefer to use Tweetbot in streaming mode.
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That's a buggy app.
01:24:40
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Yeah, all right.
01:24:42
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But it's an example.
01:24:44
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You're not letting this go until I cite a specific example.
01:24:47
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That is a specific example.
01:24:48
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Yeah, all right, all right.
01:24:50
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I mean, what I'm saying is that you have a higher tolerance for using buggy applications
01:24:53
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then you deal with that by saying, "Well, I know sometimes it gets confused when I change
01:24:57
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from cellular to Wi-Fi about whether it can use screening, but my fix is I just force
01:25:02
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And that becomes part of your workflow, essentially.
01:25:03
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You know that's a thing that happens with the app, but you still want to use the app,
01:25:06
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so you force quit it.
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And I guess I just don't have apps that I use that do that.
01:25:12
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And again, you're overblowing the amount of times that I do this.
01:25:15
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Once a day, you said.
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Yeah, maybe once a day across all the different apps that I use during the day.
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I'm trying to think back to the last time I force quit anything on my phone. I guess
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it was probably the night we ordered the thing, because you know, you had it to make the Apple
01:25:29
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store app refresh its stuff. But I think that's the last time I did it. And had I not ordered
01:25:33
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an iPhone at 3 a.m., I would have, like, what's the time before that that I had forced quit?
01:25:38
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I would be hard-pressed to say.
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And Marco, can you defend me on this one? Or you leave me out to dry?
01:25:43
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He's force quitting his own apps because he's writing them and they have bugs.
01:25:45
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No, I don't need apps that force quit my own app. If you hit stop and Xcode, it force quits
01:25:50
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Yeah, exactly.
01:25:51
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- No, I will usually force quit maybe one app
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every one to two days for some reason.
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And they're usually, I think, decent reasons.
01:26:01
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And I don't think that's an unhealthy frequency
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or an unusual one.
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- I would not have guessed those numbers.
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'Cause like I said, maybe you use more apps than I do
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or try more new apps or more of the apps you use every day.
01:26:13
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'Cause if you use an app every day
01:26:14
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that has an annoying thing like that,
01:26:15
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like for example, the last time I force quit an app
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on my wife's phone was when you're setting up
01:26:20
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her iPhone 10 and for whatever reason,
01:26:23
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Twitteriffic, here you go Casey,
01:26:24
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Twitteriffic was having some problem where it was,
01:26:27
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we could switch to one of her Twitter accounts,
01:26:29
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but not to another one, don't even ask.
01:26:32
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And like, it would just go on the screen,
01:26:35
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it would be like, I would say like contacting Twitter
01:26:37
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servers or something like that.
01:26:38
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And I deleted the cache in Twitteriffic,
01:26:40
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which is a nice diagnostic tool that Twitteriffic gives you.
01:26:42
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And that did not help in this case.
01:26:44
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And so I had to force quit it,
01:26:46
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because it was just kind of like stuck on that screen.
01:26:48
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And I think that was like,
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You should use less buggy apps.
01:26:52
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Yeah, well, that's like you ported your stuff
01:26:54
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into a new phone, and we're trying--
01:26:56
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it was restored from iCloud to backup.
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And sometimes there are some problems getting back up
01:27:00
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and running on that.
01:27:02
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But that's it.
01:27:02
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And then after that, it's fine.
01:27:04
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So that's the last time I did it for a buggy app reason,
01:27:06
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but that wasn't on my phone.
01:27:08
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And that was like a first setup where
01:27:09
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you're trying to make sure you're
01:27:10
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signed into all the accounts and re-adding everything
01:27:12
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to Apple Wallet.
01:27:12
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And it's in the middle of god knows whatever photo analyzing
01:27:15
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stuff that it's doing.
01:27:16
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The initial setup is always kind of weird.
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- Well, in any case, so one of the things that Erin said
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01:28:58
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She didn't give a crap about the notch either,
01:29:00
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in a good way, she doesn't really notice it.
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She was very, and this is gonna, I guess,
01:29:05
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segue us into face ID, she was very grumbly
01:29:11
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about the angle of attack necessary for Face ID to work.
01:29:16
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So by that I mean, I think a lot of times
01:29:19
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she'll be like sitting on a couch or something like that
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and maybe reclined or just in a position where the phone,
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she wants to unlock her phone,
01:29:28
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but the phone isn't necessarily looking at her.
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And she was really annoyed that she has to have
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some amount of consideration of what the phone needs
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order to unlock her phone and she found that really frustrating and you know what I
01:29:43
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Think she's right now. It doesn't bother me as much
01:29:46
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I don't think because I think more often than not the phone is staring where I'm staring longingly into my phone's
01:29:52
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infrared eyeballs as I'm trying to unlock it, but
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Guess for whatever reason I mean because mom because Erin because any number of reasons she she felt like she was
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frequently getting tripped up by
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Face ID not unlocking because the phone wasn't angled
01:30:13
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Exactly, right and where it seemed to bother her quite a bit
01:30:17
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It bothers me only a teeny bit and the other thing she said was and not specifically around Face ID
01:30:24
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But mostly around Face ID like this did bleed into other places like multitasking as an example
01:30:29
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But she just said that every she said everything just seems slower, you know
01:30:35
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So as an example, double tapping a home button is much quicker than the swipe up and stop.
01:30:41
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The most recent touch ID is instant, and face ID is not instant.
01:30:48
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And I was talking to somebody just earlier tonight actually, and I was saying to them,
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you know, if I take off my developer hat, I am actually lightly annoyed about how slow
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face ID is, because it is noticeably slow.
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Is it egregiously slow?
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No, it is not, but it is noticeably slower
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than the most recent Touch ID.
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Now, when I put my developer hat back on,
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it is a friggin' miracle that this thing shipped
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in this quantity in the year 2017.
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Like, how is this even possible?
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How is it this quick?
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How is it possible to do all that computation that quick?
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But when I take my developer hat off,
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how is it this slow?
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Why would they have shipped it?
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It's too slow.
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Does that make any sense at all?
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- Yeah, I think so.
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I mean, you know, to me, I mean, first of all,
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so to get back to what Aaron was saying,
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like the angles of it, I definitely hit that being like,
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this is now a thing I have to adjust with like--
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- And consider.
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- Yeah, adjust and consider.
01:31:45
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A couple of people in the chat were suggesting
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that maybe try turning off the attention detection
01:31:49
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to make you like a lot happier.
01:31:51
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I think I'm gonna try that,
01:31:52
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because I honestly don't need incredibly high security.
01:31:56
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Like, I don't think, there has never been a situation
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where somebody has forcibly unlocked my phone
01:32:00
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showing it to my face or putting my thumb on it
01:32:03
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or anything like that, so I don't think I really need
01:32:06
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that level of security.
01:32:07
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So I'm gonna try that, but it definitely is like,
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it takes some habit changing.
01:32:14
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And with Touch ID, maybe it did,
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that was so long ago now, I don't really remember,
01:32:18
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did I have to suddenly press my finger in a different way?
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The answer is probably, I probably had to adjust to that too.
01:32:26
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And part of what makes, you were saying some of this
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is just, you know, it's slower, multitasking like that,
01:32:32
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it's slower, some things are slower.
01:32:34
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Touch ID's speed does, I mean, sorry,
01:32:36
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face ID's speed does seem to be
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certainly between Touch ID first and second generation,
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but a lot closer to the first generation than the second.
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- I would agree with that.
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- It's almost as slow as first generation Touch ID,
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which was still totally usable.
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Like, it just, we are spoiled by how fast
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second generation Touch ID was.
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Completely agree with you.
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It is a step back in that regard.
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Overall speed to unlock the phone,
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in terms of taking it out of your pocket,
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unlocking it and going to the home screen,
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I don't think it's that different.
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I think it might be a little slower,
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but I don't think it's a big difference.
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Just because that swipe is so fast and integrated
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in one continuous motion with Face ID being recognized,
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I think that's mostly fine.
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For accuracy, I think it's pretty good.
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It seems, again, similar to Touch ID
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between first and second generations,
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and maybe closer to first.
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But I have found that, you know,
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I've had this phone now for a little less than a week,
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and I have mostly adjusted myself
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to optimize face ID recognition,
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you know, both accuracy and speed.
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Like, it did take some adjustment.
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I do have to then, you know, have it face me
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at a certain angle and everything,
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get within a certain angle.
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you know, like every other iOS developer
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who has phones tethered to a lightning cable
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sitting on their desk most of the day,
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running apps on it, it is really annoying
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that it doesn't work while lying face up on a desk,
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'cause the angle's just too steep to see
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when you're sitting at the desk,
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and it's like in the middle.
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- You are right, but I will say,
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in the defense of this thing I was just lamenting,
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that I have been pleasantly surprised
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by how aggressive the angle can be
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when it is sitting on a desk.
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You are right that it does not work,
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you know, near as reliably as Touch ID, but I was surprised that at a reasonably extreme
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angle it would still unlock itself when it's on the desk. So I'm not like directly over
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the phone. I'm, you know, offset by like 30, 40, 50 degrees, and it still was able to work,
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which doesn't mean, nothing of what I said makes you wrong. All I'm saying is that even
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though it doesn't work as much as I'd like, it worked better than I would have expected.
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So, I haven't been unlocking this phone with Face ID, obviously, because you can only put
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one face in it and the face is my wife's phone.
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But what I have been doing is A) watching her use her phone and B) paying more attention
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- I was doing this even before I had a phone - paying more attention to the way that I
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have changed how I use iOS devices in response to Touch ID.
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Because we've all made changes to work with Touch ID, even if those changes are the sort
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of instinctive thing I do when unlocking my phone that if it doesn't immediately unlock,
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lift my finger and try again, right?
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Or grabbing my phone in a way that my finger is on what would previously be a pointless
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place to put my finger.
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Like before there was a Touch ID sensor, why would I be picking up my phone and having
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any fingers on the home button, right?
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Unless that's how I'm going to wake the phone up or something, right?
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So the, but I have made adjustments in my life to accommodate Touch ID to make it so,
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you know, to give me the final experience so that when I take it out of my pocket, I
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start using it as soon as possible.
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And a lot of those are like you're gripping the phone in a weird way and then you touch
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this thing and then you immediately bring your thumb up to touch other stuff because
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you expect the thing to be unlocked.
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The thing about Face ID, before we get into all the techno mumbo jumbo stuff, is you have
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to adjust yourself in the same way, but with Touch ID what you are adjusting is where and
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when your fingers touch different parts of the phone.
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With Face ID, you are potentially adjusting your entire body posture to accommodate Face
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Like, so when it's on your desk.
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Yeah, it can work at pretty steep angles, but for people who are accustomed to leaving
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their phone face up on a flat surface and waking and unlocking it with Touch ID and
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glancing on something and putting it back to sleep, that's not going to work if the
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phone is off to your right, like it's by your right hand or whatever and you can just glance
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to kind of not leer over your phone, but you kind of got to get in the zone of the phone
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sensing and you can't put your finger in the zone or your hand in the zone.
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You've got to put your head in the zone.
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Your head is connected to your neck, which is connected to your body, which means your
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entire body has to kind of lean over to be like, "Hi phone."
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Even if attention is off, it needs to see the shape of your face from some angle and
01:37:06
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is impressively wide, but you do need to get, not get in the phone's face, but you kind
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you gotta hover over the phone a little bit.
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You gotta be like, here I am, here I am phone.
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And what I'm finding from watching my wife
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work with the phone and from listening to other people's
01:37:20
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stories is that a surprising number of people
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use their phones in a way that does not involve
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their face being over the screen of their phone.
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Casually on the arm of a sofa, unlocking it,
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even just waking it from sleep and glancing at it,
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which you can still do, but you don't need to unlock it
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to do that, like looking at your notifications or whatever.
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Or really far down where you pull it out of your pocket,
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but your hands are still down by like your thighs
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and you just turn the phone up and look at it or whatever
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and it can't get your face from that angle
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or it's being blocked by your leg.
01:37:47
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These are habits that will have to change
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for people to use Face ID
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because it's got to see your face, right?
01:37:54
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And maybe the second gen will be better
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about seeing your face in more distances and more angles,
01:37:58
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but that is a change in habits, which we expected,
01:38:01
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but it's a change in habits that involves more of your body
01:38:04
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than the change in habits for Touch ID.
01:38:06
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And I don't want to minimize the changes for Touch ID
01:38:07
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because as I've been noticing them,
01:38:09
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There's a lot of them.
01:38:10
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And I find my characterization of how fast it is,
01:38:13
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again, just watching my wife do it
01:38:15
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'cause I can't be doing it myself.
01:38:16
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Well, I did use the demos in the store,
01:38:18
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which you can have a little thing that just,
01:38:20
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you run into your face,
01:38:21
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then you just unlock this pointless screen
01:38:23
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that just says, "We recognized you."
01:38:26
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I'm pretty surprised at how fast it is.
01:38:30
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Like a little bit is what Casey said,
01:38:32
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being a computer nerd,
01:38:33
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like you know what it must take to do this
01:38:36
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and it is awe-inspiring that they are able to coordinate
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hardware and software and do this thing.
01:38:44
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It's really fast.
01:38:46
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When I see my wife use her phone,
01:38:49
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it really does look like what all the phoning stories say,
01:38:52
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which is like, it's like that phone has no lock on it,
01:38:54
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because when I see her phone, her user phone,
01:38:57
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and when everything works the way it's supposed to,
01:38:59
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I never see her unlock her phone.
01:39:01
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I see her pick up her phone, swipe, and start using it.
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That's what I see her do.
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I never see, I don't even notice
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the little lock animation thing.
01:39:08
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It just seems like she picks up her phone in August,
01:39:10
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you don't have a lock on that phone, right?
01:39:12
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That's how it's supposed to work.
01:39:14
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But in all those other scenarios
01:39:15
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where your face can't be over your phone,
01:39:17
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it's not like it works too slow or recognition fails.
01:39:20
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It's like, sorry, can't,
01:39:23
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I don't see a face anywhere around here.
01:39:25
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So, and then your fallback unfortunately is not touch ID,
01:39:28
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which I said that unfortunately,
01:39:29
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but I've been thinking about this too.
01:39:30
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A phone with both touch ID and face ID would be bad
01:39:33
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for reasons that we don't really have time
01:39:34
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to get into right now.
01:39:35
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But when it's in all the positions
01:39:38
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that we've trained ourselves to be able to unlock
01:39:40
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and use with Touch ID,
01:39:41
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you've either got to loom over your phone a little bit more
01:39:44
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or change your habits,
01:39:45
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bring your phone a little bit more closer
01:39:46
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or don't leave it flat on the table or whatever.
01:39:50
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And I think this trade-off will be worth it,
01:39:52
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but for now it seems, I don't know.
01:39:56
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I don't know, I should have had my wife come on the show
01:40:00
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and see what she really thinks,
01:40:01
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but she's only used it for a short period of time.
01:40:03
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but her only really strict complaints,
01:40:05
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and these are things that could be fixed in software,
01:40:07
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is it doesn't work when she's laying down in bed,
01:40:09
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'cause I think it just doesn't work sideways.
01:40:10
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Has that been your experience?
01:40:12
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- Yeah, yeah, it doesn't work in landscape,
01:40:17
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but when I am laying down
01:40:20
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and the phone is, figuratively speaking, laying down,
01:40:23
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it doesn't work, and that drives me bananas,
01:40:25
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'cause I use my phone like that a lot.
01:40:27
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- Yeah, and she's doing it laying on her side, to be clear,
01:40:29
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so that she's laying on her side on the bed
01:40:31
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pulls the phone off her nightstand and there's no reason it can't work like that.
01:40:35
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It should work fine.
01:40:36
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Like distances are all fine, good view of the face, blah blah blah blah.
01:40:38
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Unless your face is squished into the pillow maybe, I guess, and doesn't have a good angle
01:40:42
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on the side of it, it feels like it should work like that.
01:40:44
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So that's one annoyance.
01:40:46
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And she did have some complaints about using it in the dark but I think that's mostly about
01:40:52
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angle and distance because the phone doesn't care about the dark because Face ID is done
01:40:56
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entirely in IR and IR doesn't care about the dark.
01:41:00
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That's my, is that right?
01:41:02
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Am I getting that right?
01:41:03
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- Yeah. - Yeah, and--
01:41:03
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- But that's all I are.
01:41:05
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- I would also like to build on that and say,
01:41:07
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so when I'm in bed, I don't have my contact lenses in
01:41:11
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because I wear hard contacts
01:41:13
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because my eyes are really weird.
01:41:14
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And what I'll notice is, in order to see well,
01:41:19
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I'll have the phone extremely close to my face,
01:41:22
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like uncomfortably for any normal person close to my face.
01:41:26
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- Yeah, it's too close to your face anymore.
01:41:27
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- And it's way too close for face ID,
01:41:29
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And that's kind of annoying too.
01:41:30
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Like not annoying enough that it didn't occur to me
01:41:34
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until you said something about it.
01:41:36
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But that's also a little frustrating.
01:41:38
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But I feel like I'm pooping all over Face ID.
01:41:41
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It is amazing, like truly, even as a consumer,
01:41:44
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it is amazing what's happening.
01:41:46
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And then once you layer on top of that,
01:41:48
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like Jon and I were both saying,
01:41:50
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how much computational, how many computational things,
01:41:54
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just how much effort must this take to work?
01:41:57
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How can it possibly be working this quickly?
01:42:00
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- And battery power.
01:42:01
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Like, you know it's like spraying your face with this IR
01:42:04
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and the IR flood illuminator and the dot thing,
01:42:06
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and then you're using the IR camera to pick up the dots
01:42:10
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and then you're processing them.
01:42:11
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It's like being paralyzed
01:42:13
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by that first voice-activated phone trigger.
01:42:15
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Like, what, but how can this even work?
01:42:18
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And like I said, when it works,
01:42:21
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when I watch my wife use her phone and it works,
01:42:23
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it's like her phone does not have a lock on it.
01:42:25
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And from her experience,
01:42:26
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Maybe I'm consciously making sure that it's got a view of my face.
01:42:30
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I'm hoping that will become, like Marco said, more or less second nature, and we will have
01:42:33
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all adjusted our body posture to always make sure the camera can see us.
01:42:37
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And it's pretty forgiving.
01:42:38
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Like, if you get the impression of, like, "Oh, I have to be in just the right position,"
01:42:41
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Like, you just have to be remotely in the ballpark, and it gets the job done.
01:42:45
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That's what's so amazing about it.
01:42:46
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Do you feel like it couldn't possibly be even reading my face, because I wasn't even paying
01:42:51
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attention to, like, exactly what view it gets of my face.
01:42:54
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Like, I'm just kind of using my phone normally.
01:42:56
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Like if you're in the ballpark of holding your phone
01:42:59
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and looking at it in any way, this is with attention on.
01:43:02
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I haven't tried to turn attention off.
01:43:04
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It is pretty magical.
01:43:05
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And in fact, I think the,
01:43:08
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I have, she's told me Face ID has failed
01:43:11
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for her several times.
01:43:12
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Mostly what I've seen happen is I've seen her
01:43:15
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miss the home swipe many more times
01:43:17
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than I've seen her fail Face ID.
01:43:18
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I don't know if that means is one is more likely
01:43:20
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than the other, or maybe you just go home more often,
01:43:23
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like you unlock it once, but you go home seven times
01:43:25
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during that session or whatever.
01:43:27
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But I will continue to survey her.
01:43:29
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This is bad because this is all secondhand to count because again I have never trained
01:43:33
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this thing on my face and she'll probably never let me do that so I'll just have to
01:43:36
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live vicariously.
01:43:37
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But you two will be the real guinea pigs to see two weeks from now have you completely
01:43:41
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adjusted your entire body posture around Face ID.
01:43:46
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Or here's the real thing.
01:43:47
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What happens when Face ID doesn't work?
01:43:49
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You're laying down in bed or Casey's got his phone really close to his face.
01:43:52
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I do that too, because my vision is bad.
01:43:54
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Not as bad as Casey's, but still pretty bad.
01:43:57
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The fallback is like, okay, I couldn't get Face ID to work,
01:44:00
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and it's not just because it was at the wrong angle.
01:44:02
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I'm not going to sit up on my bed to get Face ID to look.
01:44:04
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The fallback is you have to type in your passcode, right?
01:44:07
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So the real test is, pre-Face ID,
01:44:10
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I typed in my passcode this number of times per day.
01:44:13
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Post-Face ID, two weeks later, a month later,
01:44:15
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how many times per day do I type in my passcode?
01:44:17
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I'm going to say that pre-, you know,
01:44:20
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like I'm still preface ID, with my Touch ID iPhone 7,
01:44:25
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the only time I type in my passcode
01:44:26
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is when it insists that I do so
01:44:28
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because like it's either been 48 hours since I unlocked it
01:44:31
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or it's like an OS update or something.
01:44:33
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I don't think there's any time, even with wet hands,
01:44:35
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with wet hands, I will do the thing
01:44:37
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where you remove your thumb, put it down,
01:44:38
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remove your thumb, put it down, try it out.
01:44:40
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I will do a surprising number of attempts
01:44:42
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of like wiping my finger or whatever.
01:44:44
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That will do anything to avoid typing
01:44:45
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in very long passcode, right?
01:44:48
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And so I basically never type in my passcode.
01:44:51
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But when Face ID fails, if it fails for a reason
01:44:54
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that you know, like, is not, there's no help,
01:44:57
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like you don't want to sit up in bed,
01:44:58
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the next thing you do is probably resign yourself
01:45:01
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to type in your passcode,
01:45:02
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which means no more giant alphanumeric passcodes
01:45:04
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'cause you'll drive yourself insane.
01:45:06
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Because who wants to, like,
01:45:07
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when you're laying down sideways in bed
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and you're all groggy, you do not want to type out
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a 17-digit alphanumeric punctuation capital
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and lowercase passcode that's super secure
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so you feel all awesome.
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Nobody wants to do that.
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So you'll either downgrade to a shorter numeric passcode,
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or you'll really start to hate Face ID,
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because there is no other option.
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It's not like, well, Face ID failed,
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I guess you can use Touch ID.
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It's Face ID or it's typing.
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- Oh, I actually have a tangential question about this.
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So what is the best protocol for when somebody
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has grabbed my phone and looked at it,
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which is not unreasonable.
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Maybe I asked them to look at it or something like that,
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but Face ID has recognized them,
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and the phone is still on,
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and then they hand the phone to me,
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and then I enter my password.
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Is it that the other person's face is different enough
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that it's not gonna train on their face?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Because my understanding is--
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- Yeah, I had an item in the notes about that,
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because there was that video or whatever
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where two siblings who, they're not twins,
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but two siblings who look very alike said,
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"Hey, look at this, my brother," or whoever it was,
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"Can unlock my phone with his face,
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"but we're not the same person," right?
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And what was happening in that scenario is
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it's one brother's phone and he's got it trained
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on his face and it works fine.
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And the other brother tries to unlock it
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and it doesn't work 'cause he's got a different face,
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but then he types in his brother's passcode,
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which he knows and enters the phone.
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And that happens a few times, and so the theory goes, what he's doing is essentially training,
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like Casey was saying, he is training the phone like, "Oh silly phone, you said you
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couldn't recognize this face, but because I immediately enter the passcode, what I'm
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telling you phone is no, no, it's me, it's me, the owner of the phone.
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So the face that you just tried to recognize that you said was not the right face, it obviously
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was the right face because I just unlocked the phone."
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I'm assuming, just like Casey said, that this training only happens if the face is close
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to the face that it knows but not quite. So that if an entirely different person
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whose face is nothing like yours tries to use face ID, fails, but then enters
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your code, which I've done with my iPhone many times because it always fails
01:47:27
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because my face has never succeeded in unlocking her phone, but I have unlocked
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her phone many many times over the course of setting it up and playing with
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it and, you know, practicing my home gestures and all the other things that I
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do with her phone, right? I'm pretty sure that I am not messing up her training
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because my face is too different from her face and that the phone is not going
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to accept the fact that I unlocked after face ID failed as additional training data.
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I don't know that for a fact, but that seems like the logical thing to do, and Apple is
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a smart company.
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So I think both things are smart things to do.
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Both to ignore my face because it's different, and also it's smart to train on that brother's
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So if you have a sibling who looks a lot like you, do not let them repeatedly pick up your
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phone and fail face ID and enter the code because it may eventually learn that this
01:48:12
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alternate face that's kind of like yours is also yours and it just looks different from
01:48:16
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time to time so don't do that. So L. Bruise from the chat has pulled this quote which
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I think is from the face ID security guide which we'll put in the show notes. If face
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ID fails to recognize you but the match quality is higher than a certain threshold and you
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immediately follow the failure by entering your passcode face ID makes and takes another
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capture so oh interesting so that's only once the passcode has been entered so at this point
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it would be of me anyway.
01:48:40
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- Yeah, yeah, you have to successfully enter the passcode.
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Like if someone knows your passcode,
01:48:44
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like the sibling knew the passcode, yeah.
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And so this is saying it has to pass a threshold.
01:48:48
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So that's why I am not training my iPhone to recognize me.
01:48:50
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- Right, but I'm on a different point.
01:48:52
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I had assumed that it took the,
01:48:55
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so our order of operations is picture of,
01:48:59
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it takes a picture of Erin because she's the one
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that's trying to open the phone, says, "You're not Casey.
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The phone is handed to me and I enter the code."
01:49:08
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What I'm reading here is that it actually takes
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a second picture.
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I had assumed it was still working off
01:49:14
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that original picture of Aaron,
01:49:16
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but this says if face ID fails to recognize you,
01:49:18
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but the match quality is higher than a certain threshold,
01:49:19
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you immediately follow the failure
01:49:20
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by entering your passcode.
01:49:21
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Face ID takes another capture
01:49:23
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and augments its enrolled face ID data
01:49:25
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with a newly calculated mathematical representation.
01:49:28
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- Yeah, because it's facing your face for the new capture,
01:49:31
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but if she knew your code and she entered your code,
01:49:34
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it's still not gonna pass the threshold.
01:49:35
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It's not gonna pass the threshold.
01:49:36
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So the match, you know, it's higher than a certain,
01:49:39
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hers is not within the threshold of learning of your face,
01:49:42
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I'm assuming, because it's just too different.
01:49:43
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- Yeah, I hear you.
01:49:45
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One of the other things that's been really great
01:49:47
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about Face ID is it has been surprisingly willing,
01:49:52
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almost uncomfortably willing,
01:49:55
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to unlock when my face is occluded or otherwise messed with.
01:50:00
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And by that I mean, I often have a finger like on my chin
01:50:05
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or maybe I have a finger in my mouth
01:50:07
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'cause I'm biting my nails
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or doing something I shouldn't be doing.
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Or I went to a football game the day after we got the phones
01:50:14
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and I had like a hat on and I didn't have a hat on.
01:50:16
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I had a hat and a hood and then just a hood.
01:50:18
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And so now granted a lot of this is over your face,
01:50:21
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but as in above my face, but my point is--
01:50:24
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- And you got your weekend beard too, right?
01:50:26
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- This is a multi,
01:50:27
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this might be a multi-month beard at this point,
01:50:29
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but it's gonna go soon.
01:50:31
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Whenever we're really close to Spriggs,
01:50:34
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time of arrival, I'm gonna shave it all off,
01:50:36
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'cause Sprig is gonna beat me as I should be met,
01:50:38
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which is without hair on my face.
01:50:40
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Anyway-- - Sprig's eyes
01:50:41
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aren't gonna work for a while, you know that, right?
01:50:42
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- Well, there's that too, there's that too.
01:50:45
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But this is how it needs to be.
01:50:46
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- You've played this game before,
01:50:47
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you know how this goes. - I know, I know.
01:50:49
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But anyway, the point is, it did a really, really good job,
01:50:54
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and continues to do a very good job,
01:50:56
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of being willing to unlock when portions of my face
01:51:01
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are occluded. And so like maybe I'm resting my hand on my chin and my fingers are kind of rolled
01:51:07
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up and in front of my mouth, you know, or something like that. It's done a very, very good job,
01:51:11
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surprisingly good job of rolling with that to the point that it almost feels like, and I bet this
01:51:16
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isn't true, but it almost feels like the maybe eyes or cheekbones are the things that matter most to
01:51:25
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face ID because it's rare that I'll have my hand in front of my eyes or like up on my cheekbones or anything like that
01:51:32
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But it is not unusual for me to have my fan my hands in or around my mouth
01:51:36
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And so I don't know if that's true
01:51:39
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But it just feels like eyes and cheekbones matter a lot more than mouth the the mouth area if you will
01:51:47
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So on the topic of Erin saying that things just seems slower what I thought she might have been getting at before you went off
01:51:53
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to describe the home multitasking thing, which I totally agree with, is the animations.
01:52:00
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And I realize I probably only say that because I run reduced motion and have for a really
01:52:06
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So my iPhone 7 doesn't do almost any animations.
01:52:09
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Everything is these silly crossfades, right?
01:52:13
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But here's the thing about the iPhone X.
01:52:15
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Well first of all, using it in its default out of the box thing, the animations do not
01:52:21
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bother me as much as they did on the 7 and I guess the 6 or whatever.
01:52:27
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And why don't they bother me?
01:52:28
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They're even more egregious, even more like swoopy woopy, like things are flying in from
01:52:32
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here and going out to there.
01:52:34
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I think they bother me less because the gesture I'm performing, for example to go back to
01:52:40
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the home screen, swiping up from the bottom, matches with the idea of chucking the current
01:52:46
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app back into its little hidey home inside the icon, you know what I mean?
01:52:50
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how it flies into the icon. And so I'm doing something that matches the gesture versus
01:52:56
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I press the button and everything went shrinky zoomy, right? They feel disconnected. Again,
01:53:03
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it's not my phone. I've just played with it a lot, but it doesn't bother me as much. But
01:53:07
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I'm like, "Okay, well, even though it doesn't bother me, if I got an iPhone X, I'm sure
01:53:11
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I would turn on reduce motion. So let me go into settings and turn on reduce motion."
01:53:14
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I doubt either one of you have tried this, but if you put reduce motion on this phone,
01:53:19
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Very strange things happen and there's not really a good solution to make them not strange.
01:53:24
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You turn on reduce motion, what happens is this.
01:53:27
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You're in an app, you do the home gesture to get back to home and it starts to make,
01:53:34
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as you swipe up, it starts to make the app that you're in kind of fly upwards and start
01:53:39
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heading back into its little icon home, right?
01:53:43
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But then, abruptly, once that animation has started, it switches to a crossfade.
01:53:51
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And I thought, "Oh, that's stupid.
01:53:52
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Why don't they just do the crossfade the whole time?"
01:53:55
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But because of the way the multitasking gesture, like, you know, you can do it slow or whatever,
01:54:00
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I think it has to start the animation.
01:54:02
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Because if it didn't start the animation, like, if it was going back to home screen,
01:54:08
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it could say, "Oh, I'll just wait until you cross the threshold of, 'Oh, I see you're
01:54:12
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into the home screen and it'll crossfade with doing no animation before him.
01:54:14
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But if you're going for the multitasking switcher, once it says, "Oh, they're not going to the
01:54:17
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home screen.
01:54:18
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This is slow enough for me to bring up the multitasking switcher."
01:54:20
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Then it's going to be like, "Oh, crap.
01:54:22
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I haven't been doing any animations this whole time."
01:54:25
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And they're activating the multitasking switcher, quick catch up and make it look like they're
01:54:28
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animated up to the point where their thumb is.
01:54:29
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And that would be weird too.
01:54:31
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So if you go turn it on iPhone 10, turn on reduce motion now and do the home gesture,
01:54:35
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and just look at what it does.
01:54:36
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It is a mess.
01:54:38
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It is an animation mess.
01:54:39
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It's half one animation interrupted by a crossfade.
01:54:43
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And honestly, I think if I had an iPhone X, I would not turn on reduced motion because
01:54:47
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that, it doesn't feel faster.
01:54:50
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I get half an animation that feels worse than the full animation, and I don't have a good
01:54:59
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It's not like Apple did something dumb here.
01:55:00
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I don't know what they can do to fix this problem.
01:55:04
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I think we just all have to use the animations and like it, which I realize YouTube do anyway,
01:55:08
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but I haven't been, so I don't know.
01:55:11
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I have an animation dilemma with the iPhone X.
01:55:13
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- I think maybe in the same way that before iOS 7,
01:55:18
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we realized that we had kind of gone too far
01:55:20
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with skeuomorphism, I think we might be at that point
01:55:23
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with animations, where the amount of unnecessary
01:55:27
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and almost overly exuberant animations that we have
01:55:36
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for common actions in iOS 11,
01:55:37
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I think is a little excessive.
01:55:39
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Like one of the weird things is like when you go
01:55:40
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to the home screen, how your wallpaper kinda like
01:55:43
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slams up from beneath, I guess.
01:55:46
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It looks very weird and jarring and--
01:55:49
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- I've never seen that one because--
01:55:50
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- Yeah, me neither. - I have 100% black
01:55:52
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background and I just realized why I wouldn't have seen it.
01:55:55
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- I actually recently switched to 100% black background
01:55:57
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in part for that and in part because it just looks
01:55:59
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so awesome on the OLED screen.
01:56:01
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But yeah, like it's--
01:56:02
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- I've always had a black background.
01:56:04
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- But weren't you not able to have a background
01:56:06
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in early days of iPhone OS?
01:56:08
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- Yeah, it wasn't until I think iOS 4
01:56:10
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that you could have a background at all.
01:56:12
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- And before that it was 100% black, right?
01:56:15
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- So I think that's why I never changed.
01:56:17
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Once you could get a background,
01:56:18
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I think I tried some backgrounds,
01:56:19
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couldn't find anything I liked,
01:56:20
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and I'm like, well, everything's been 100% black before,
01:56:22
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so let me try that, and that's it.
01:56:24
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And now I've been using 100% black.
01:56:26
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And the great thing is, in iOS 11,
01:56:28
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you don't have to upload a black image
01:56:30
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like I've had to do for every version
01:56:32
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- Yeah, they haven't built in, finally.
01:56:34
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- They have a solid color section
01:56:35
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and black is available to you.
01:56:36
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And yeah, it does look great in OLED.
01:56:38
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But no, I didn't notice the slamming,
01:56:40
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and so it comes up from below, kind of.
01:56:42
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- Yeah, it's almost as though
01:56:43
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you're falling onto your wallpaper.
01:56:45
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It's a very jarring animation,
01:56:48
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and I really don't like it.
01:56:49
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And Tiff comes out on it too.
01:56:51
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It's a very weird thing.
01:56:53
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Anyway, so I hope that we have reached the point
01:56:58
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with animations now where we can start to pull back.
01:57:00
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It's almost part of what I was saying last week
01:57:02
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about how I wish Apple would have
01:57:05
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maybe a more confident design,
01:57:07
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confident in the way that they don't need to show off,
01:57:11
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that they know they're good,
01:57:13
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and they don't need to show off
01:57:15
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how good they are to the world.
01:57:16
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They can just be good, right?
01:57:18
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I feel like a lot of these animations now
01:57:19
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have gotten to the point where they are just showing off.
01:57:22
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This is a designer showing off, and it's getting annoying.
01:57:26
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- How do you do the multitasking gesture
01:57:28
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without any animations?
01:57:28
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That's what I'm stuck on.
01:57:30
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If you do not change the way you get
01:57:33
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into the multitasking switcher,
01:57:35
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how do you do that with no animations?
01:57:38
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Because you can do the home screen with no animations,
01:57:42
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quick swipe up from the bottom
01:57:43
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and we cross right to the home screen,
01:57:44
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or we just bring the home screen up, right?
01:57:46
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But a slow swipe up from the bottom
01:57:48
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bring you into multitasking, I don't know,
01:57:51
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maybe that would feel kind of disconnected.
01:57:53
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I get what you're saying about the animations going too far,
01:57:55
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and again, as someone who runs with reduced motion
01:57:57
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all the time, I am not a fan of animation,
01:57:59
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but I was surprised by how much I like the animations
01:58:03
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in the 10 because they were connected to things
01:58:05
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my fingers were doing and like Twitterrific
01:58:07
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and lots of other applications where they actually make
01:58:10
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the animation track your finger.
01:58:11
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I don't know if the iOS 11 ones are doing that
01:58:14
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on the iPhone 10, but they feel like they're tracking
01:58:17
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your finger and that feels good that it doesn't feel like
01:58:19
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you're a triggering animation.
01:58:21
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It feels like you are moving things on the screen,
01:58:23
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which is a big kind of like side swipe going from screens
01:58:25
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and like home screens on springboard, right?
01:58:28
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The reason that feels so good is you don't feel like you are triggering the slide in
01:58:32
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animation, you feel like you're moving the screen, you feel like you're moving the icons
01:58:36
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with your finger, and it's such a big difference.
01:58:39
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And so I'm actually a pretty big fan of the animations.
01:58:42
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Maybe I wouldn't be if I didn't have a black background and I'd seen that slam in, and
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I think I would still prefer reduced motion if implemented like it is on the 7 and earlier
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phones where it's just, you know, like you really are triggering animations and they're
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all cross fades.
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But I think there's something to be said for a UI that is so fundamentally based on swipy
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Having that swipy crap make you feel like you're moving things on the screen rather
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than triggering an animation.
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I still prefer no animations at all, but honestly, with this many swipes, I don't know how you
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pull it off and don't make it feel disconnected from, you know, like that you are just drawing
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magic spells and hieroglyphics on the screen and your magic incantations cause things to
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change but there's no real connection between them like it's magic.
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Yeah, and I don't think it has to be that, I don't think it has to be dramatically like
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no animations ever again. Like, I just think the animations need to be toned down. You
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know, we've gone too far, they need to be brought back a little bit, you know, and not
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totally removed. Like, so many of these things like multitasking and everything, yeah, they
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should be animated. Like, and most of the things that are animated now should still
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be animated. It's just a question of what that animation is and how many other things
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are happening when it happens and how long does it take. These things could all use some
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tweaking I think, you know, and some restraint.
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Yeah, the home screen is probably the best example because what you want to happen is
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I want to go to the home screen, but you don't need to see the home screen assemble itself
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like, you know, like a deconstructed sandwich at a froufie restaurant assembling itself,
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right? Like, here comes the background and now the icons are falling onto it. Like, it's
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Like, I know what Springboard looks like.
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Just show me that as if it's already constructed.
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Not as if every time I go back to the home screen
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it is rebuilt from its component pieces.
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Like a weird CG transformer animation.
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So that's probably too far.
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All right, so let's get back on track
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and finish up our iPhone X review.
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It's very smooth running along.
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Casey, do you have any other,
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I have kind of like a miscellaneous section here.
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Do you have anything else to add?
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I will just say that I haven't had a lot of time using my phone regularly because I was
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traveling and when I'm traveling I always have a lot more battery range anxiety than
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I normally do because it's oftentimes less convenient for me to charge and oftentimes
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I'm out and away from my normal day-to-day life when I'm traveling obviously and I'm
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using my phone more.
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So for a lot of reasons I get real battery anxiety when I'm traveling.
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And maybe what I'm about to say is just that anxiety manifesting itself, but I feel like
02:01:22
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on both our 7s and on the 10s, battery life in iOS 11 is still not great.
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It's gotten better with 11.1, but it's still just not great.
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That's frustrating.
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But as a quick summary of my thoughts, I really do like this phone quite a bit, and that screen
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is just so clearly the future.
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It is really, really great.
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and I overall, I obviously have complaints.
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Nothing is so perfect, did you know guys,
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that it can't be complained about,
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but it is a really great phone.
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So with that in mind, Marco,
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tell me your miscellaneous section.
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- So first of all on the battery,
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my theory with iOS 11, I think one of the big reasons
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why people are seeing such reduced battery life
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on such a wide scale is that iOS 11 allows photos
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to be uploaded to iCloud when you're not plugged in
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and when you're not on Wi-Fi.
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and by default, I'm pretty sure it'll last cellular data
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usage and also not plugged in usage,
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whereas before, it would wait until the phone was charging
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and on WiFi to do any kind of uploads.
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So if you're shooting pictures,
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which most people do all the time,
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now your battery life should be probably
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significantly worse.
02:02:32
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Also, encoding, HEIF and HGVC are more processor intensive.
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So it seems like the combination of the iCloud photo uploads
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not being restricted by default anymore
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to a high power state and wifi,
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and also the complexity of the new formats,
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I think that explains a lot of the worst battery life
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people are seeing in reality with iOS 11.
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Anyway, so that's my theory.
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Check the settings though for photo uploads
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if you wanna conserve some more power.
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As for the battery life on the X,
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it's a little soon to tell for sure,
02:03:06
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but it seems like it is overall fairly similar
02:03:12
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to the battery life on my iPhone 7.
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It doesn't seem like it's dramatically better.
02:03:18
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I kind of expected going to OLED
02:03:20
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to bring more gain in that department.
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Maybe we'll see over time as apps in the OS
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maybe get darker with their themes overall
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'cause one of the things with OLED
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is when it's showing dark content,
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it's using less power than when it's showing light content,
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unlike LCDs.
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So maybe it'll get better over time,
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but I did kind of expect OLED to bring a bigger jump
02:03:39
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in battery life than what we actually got here.
02:03:42
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So, oh well, anyway, battery life seems fine,
02:03:45
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but not amazing.
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- Are you sure it's still not analyzing your photos?
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- I don't know that.
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It probably not, but who knows.
02:03:52
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The setup experience, I did wanna do a quick note on this.
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My phone immediately needed an update to iOS 11.1,
02:04:01
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which I thought was fairly ungraceful.
02:04:04
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That's the kind of thing that like,
02:04:05
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you know, anytime you get like a game console
02:04:07
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or pretty much any tech product from anybody else.
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It doesn't usually immediately need a software update.
02:04:13
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It kind of ruins the experience a little bit
02:04:15
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and just delays you getting things even more.
02:04:18
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So that kind of sucked.
02:04:20
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You don't usually see it from Apple, so it was noteworthy.
02:04:23
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On the other hand though, the automatic migration
02:04:26
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from my old iPhone was amazing.
02:04:29
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It worked perfectly in all respects,
02:04:31
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except it didn't move my watch.
02:04:33
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Now, some people say the Apple Watch
02:04:35
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would move for them in that process.
02:04:37
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For some people it wasn't.
02:04:38
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It seems like it's inconsistent whether it works or not.
02:04:41
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It is seemingly supposed to do it.
02:04:43
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It just doesn't seemingly a good portion of the time.
02:04:45
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But with that one exception of the watch being moved,
02:04:49
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this is the first time I have not done iTunes backup method
02:04:53
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to transfer to a new phone.
02:04:55
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Every other time I've gotten a new phone,
02:04:57
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I've backed up the old one to iTunes
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with a local encrypted backup using that checkbox
02:05:00
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so it saves my passwords,
02:05:02
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restore to the new phone, et cetera.
02:05:04
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This is the first time I didn't do that.
02:05:06
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And the new, with the combination of iCloud backups
02:05:11
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and with this new setup wizard thing
02:05:12
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where you put the phones near each other
02:05:14
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and they detect each other and move it over,
02:05:16
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that was actually, I think it was faster
02:05:19
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than an iTunes backup and restore would have been.
02:05:22
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And it was way less effort
02:05:24
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and it actually was a better copy of everything.
02:05:29
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Sometimes with iTunes, it gets weird with like,
02:05:31
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maybe it'll back up like a bunch of old apps
02:05:34
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that you thought you deleted
02:05:35
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and then put them back on your new phone
02:05:36
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and stuff like that.
02:05:37
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There's occasional weirdness with iTunes backups,
02:05:40
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not to mention the fact that it takes up
02:05:41
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a giant amount of hard drive space,
02:05:43
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which is a problem in the age of SSDs.
02:05:46
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I think I'm gonna stop doing those.
02:05:48
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Like, I think I'm finally gonna, after all this time,
02:05:50
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finally gonna join the rest of the world
02:05:52
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and stop doing iTunes backups,
02:05:53
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because the restore process on the phone
02:05:56
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without that was flawless.
02:05:59
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You know, people have reported lots of problems in the past
02:06:01
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with like iCloud restores taking way too long
02:06:04
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iPhone day one, I haven't heard that this year.
02:06:06
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And I think whatever problems used to plague this
02:06:09
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don't seem to apply anymore.
02:06:11
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So good job whoever did this at Apple.
02:06:14
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This is great, like the new setup process,
02:06:16
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the migration process is awesome.
02:06:19
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And finally we'll replace iTunes backups for me.
02:06:22
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- It is way faster than it used to be
02:06:25
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and I have a lot of experience with both of them
02:06:26
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because I always do iTunes for mine
02:06:27
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but then iCloud for my families, right?
02:06:30
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And so it was way faster than it has been in the past
02:06:32
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for the iCloud one.
02:06:33
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It did like the iTunes backup does sometimes.
02:06:36
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My iCloud one was confused about what apps it was restoring
02:06:39
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and ended up restoring a bunch of apps
02:06:40
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that my wife had uninstalled,
02:06:42
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mostly because we share an Apple ID for purchases.
02:06:45
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Even though she's got her own,
02:06:45
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we have this legacy of when we only had one Apple ID,
02:06:48
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as many families probably do.
02:06:50
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And so it did the exact same thing as iTunes
02:06:52
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about being confused about what she,
02:06:53
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exactly she had installed.
02:06:55
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For the most part it worked, but the watch part,
02:06:58
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it did ask about the watch,
02:06:59
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but at the time we were doing it in the Apple store,
02:07:02
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It was asking about my watch,
02:07:03
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because remember this is my phone, right?
02:07:05
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So my process is all messed up, like whatever, fine.
02:07:08
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I'm fine that we're doing a weird thing.
02:07:10
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Here's my complaint about the process.
02:07:12
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If you don't catch it in that moment,
02:07:14
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I don't know how to transfer the watch
02:07:17
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without resetting and restoring it.
02:07:19
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And I feel like there should be an easy way
02:07:21
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after the initial setup process to say,
02:07:24
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oh and by the way, at the time I did the setup,
02:07:26
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I didn't have my watch, but now I've got it,
02:07:29
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or now everything, like whatever, I wanna do the thing now.
02:07:32
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you've got two phones, I've got an old phone and a new phone, take the watch and move it from this
02:07:36
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phone to that phone. If there's a way to do that, I don't know it. And so I had to do it the long way
02:07:40
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and the long way is crappy. So that's my only real complaint about it. But I'm mostly with Marco that
02:07:46
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iCloud, if you've been avoiding iCloud things and always doing iTunes backups, I'm not going to stop
02:07:49
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doing iTunes backups because they currently go to my Synology and what the hell, like I do them only
02:07:53
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like once a month anyway. But iCloud backups and Restore have gotten way better. They're way faster,
02:07:58
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the way more complete, there's less waiting around for apps to load themselves for like
02:08:02
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three days. Like, it was good. I endorse it. The watchlist stays to be better.
02:08:07
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>> Well, so, I did the same transfer thing that Marco did. It was the same story, right? Always
02:08:13
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do iTunes backups encrypted. This time I did not. And the two things I noticed that bummed me out
02:08:19
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are, and maybe it was user error, maybe I did something wrong, but the two things that bummed
02:08:23
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me out were it did not keep my Wi-Fi passwords those did not transfer again
02:08:28
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maybe I did something wrong someone did but hmm and then the other thing I
02:08:33
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noticed was because I do not use iCloud photo library I only use one of the
02:08:37
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thing where it's like the initial yeah yeah yeah thank you it seemed like it
02:08:43
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►
just didn't get most of the pictures off of my old phone which is fine because I
02:08:49
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I can just put them in our main repository.
02:08:52
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But where an iTunes backup seems to have always
02:08:57
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included the pictures, which is I think part of the reason
02:09:00
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why it takes forever to finish,
02:09:04
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►
it did not seem to work with this transfer
02:09:09
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migration assistant kind of thing.
02:09:12
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Oh, and apparently it's iCloud Keychain
02:09:15
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according to the chat room that does Wi-Fi passwords.
02:09:18
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- I have passwords. - You use that now.
02:09:19
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- Yes, yeah, I do not.
02:09:20
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- That was yet another thing that, like,
02:09:21
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when it first came out was a complete mess,
02:09:23
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and you shouldn't have used it when it first came out.
02:09:25
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But then they've been improving it over time,
02:09:27
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and now the combination of iCloud backups
02:09:30
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plus iCloud Keychain means that you basically
02:09:33
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►
have the benefit that you had before
02:09:35
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►
with iTunes encrypted backups.
02:09:37
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Now you have it with iCloud backups in the cloud
02:09:39
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if you use both of these things.
02:09:41
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And in my experience, they've been flawless.
02:09:43
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It's been great.
02:09:45
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- I know some people have a complaint
02:09:46
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iCloud keychain and maybe it has been inconsistent but I've been using it since day one and I've
02:09:50
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always thought it has more or less fulfilled the purpose it's supposed to fulfill.
02:09:54
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Like I've never regretted using iCloud keychain.
02:09:58
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Worst case maybe I'll feel like oh that should have been an iCloud keychain but it wasn't
02:10:02
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there but that's not like if the 9,000 other passwords are there then I'm good with it
02:10:08
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►
and occasionally like it's like 17 level security to get iCloud backup onto things was occasionally
02:10:14
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annoying and I think it used to be more annoying than it is now, but I heartily endorse iCloud
02:10:20
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I didn't even realize that's the magic that was bringing me the nice backup and restore
02:10:24
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just because I've always been using it, but now that I know that's the case, I even more
02:10:28
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endorse, like, you should definitely use this because who wants to do a restore and then
02:10:33
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have to like re-sign into all your crap and lose all your saved website passwords and
02:10:37
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►
all that other stuff.
02:10:38
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As far as I can tell, with all the annoying hurdles that it makes me jump over, iCloud
02:10:42
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keychain seems reasonably secure.
02:10:44
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The only thing that I did not like about the migration process, which I think was not actually
02:10:49
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part of the migration process, is that all of my settings and everything were carried
02:10:54
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over except one, the screen auto lock duration. On the iPhone X, my screen auto lock, which
02:11:02
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I believe I had set to five minutes, which I think is the longest you can go without
02:11:05
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without it being never, screen auto lock was reset
02:11:08
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to the minimum of 30 seconds.
02:11:11
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This seems intentional, because this has never happened
02:11:15
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with any other migration that I've done.
02:11:16
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And let me tell you, using an iPhone
02:11:20
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with a 30 second auto lock sucks.
02:11:23
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And it's really, really annoying.
02:11:25
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- You don't think that's part of the new attention thing,
02:11:28
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like feature, not bug, with like, oh, we want everyone
02:11:30
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to experience our cool new attention thing,
02:11:32
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is basically the screen will dim very aggressively to save your battery unless it notices that
02:11:39
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you're looking at it.
02:11:41
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That's the experience they're going for, like, "Oh, we'll save your battery life, but also
02:11:44
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we'll be less annoying in terms of, like, if you're using your phone we won't dim it
02:11:47
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►
because we can tell you're looking at us because we have the face and attention, you know,
02:11:51
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APIs and all that other stuff."
02:11:52
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So that's what they're going for and that's probably why they would, if this is not a
02:11:56
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bug, assuming it's not a bug, why they would do this on purpose is they want you to experience
02:12:00
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all this attention stuff.
02:12:01
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But this is another example of where people will have to adjust their body postures because
02:12:04
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now people are complaining.
02:12:05
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I put my phone flat on the table and I like to glance at it, but then I look away for
02:12:10
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three seconds and I look back and it's already dimmed the screen.
02:12:13
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I'm like, "Wait a second.
02:12:14
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I was just using you."
02:12:15
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Normally my iPhone, because of my strict timeout, would say, "I'm going to leave my phone on
02:12:19
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at full brightness for X amount of time so you can look away, go do something else, go
02:12:23
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eat a piece of food, then look back and your screen will still be on."
02:12:25
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But the iPhone X is like, "Ha ha, I can tell you're not looking at me anymore.
02:12:28
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I'm going to dim my screen to the same power."
02:12:30
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and that's annoying people.
02:12:31
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So I think these are all things they can
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either fix with software or that apparently
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we can all fix by changing how we use our phones.
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- I mean, it was pretty clearly a choice
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to reset people's defaults to this new value.
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And you can go in and change it,
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but the default does appear to be the lowest,
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which is 30 seconds.
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And this is one of those things where like,
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I think you're partly right, it is nice
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that they can tell whether you're looking at it
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and they can dim it as a result or not dim it as a result.
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But there's a lot, like I, this was one of the,
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one of the biggest things that annoyed me about this.
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And at first I'm like, you know,
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let me just live with this.
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And then the problem is, like,
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you're then relying on unlocking the phone a lot more often.
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Then you're relying on Face ID being really super fast,
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which it isn't.
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It's moderately fast, but it's not really super fast.
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And so I feel like this emphasizes
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one of the phone's flaws,
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which is that Face ID is slower than Touch ID version two.
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And so like, they, and it seems like they did this
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as a not so subtle trick to increase battery life
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in practice or to reduce OLED burn-in,
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which is potentially a big problem down the road.
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I don't know, it feels like kind of a cheap move to me.
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Like it feels like kind of like an unfair trick, you know?
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And if it works, fine, but I found in my first day
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of leaving it that way, before I got a note
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and just went in and changed the setting
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back to five minutes, I thought it was
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ridiculously annoying.
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So I think it's a bad default.
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I think it's a bad assumption or a bad trick,
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and they should not be changing people's settings
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on migrations for this one fairly critical part
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of the way the system behaves.
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You know, one thing I found that made it very annoying
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is like, you know, I would unlock the phone,
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and then maybe I would set it down on a desk
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or the counter for a few seconds,
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and then I wanna go back to it and pick it back up again.
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And maybe it's playing a podcast,
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and I want the controls to still be on screen
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for a minute while I go do something with my hand
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and then go pick it back up again.
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It was very frequently turning off
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when I was not ready for that to happen yet.
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- I kind of give them a pass on changing the defaults.
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I understand the reasons, and I feel like
02:14:39
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if there's some new feature of your phone,
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like oh, we have a way to tell whether you're looking at it,
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and people won't see it because their defaults
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will be configured for a phone without that feature,
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the only way you're gonna get people
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to give that feature a chance is by changing their defaults.
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It could be considered a little bit user hostile
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for power users, but for everybody else,
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there's no way they would even notice that other feature.
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Now, if that other feature worked
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the way they dreamed it did, like the best of both worlds,
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it will never dim while you're looking at it,
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but it will dim immediately when you're not looking at it,
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then it would have been a win,
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but it sounds like there's still
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a couple of bumps in the road.
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And it also sounds like this is an aspect of your life
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and me and probably also Casey,
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where we're all still using stick shifts,
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and that the reason you can get away
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with a five minute timeout
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is because you put your phone to sleep
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when you know you're done using it, right?
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Like you're manually shifting.
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You'd be like, okay, I'm not gonna glance at you anymore,
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and you hit the side button and it goes to sleep.
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I know I do that.
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I manually put my, my timeout is very long
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and I don't worry about battery life
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because I control when I know if I,
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am I gonna look back at that phone now
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or am I done with it for now?
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So I turn the screen off essentially.
02:15:38
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- Yeah, all right, maybe.
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But anyway, I found that an annoying default
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and I was extra annoyed that it overrode
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my previous setting and so yeah.
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I think that's a bad move or a bad trick
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and I wish they would change that.
02:15:53
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But otherwise, yeah, otherwise I'm really enjoying
02:15:57
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this phone, and once I changed that setting,
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that helped a lot on that front.
02:16:01
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Yeah, I really like it.
02:16:03
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It is certainly taking time to get used to
02:16:06
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in the way that, as I mentioned earlier,
02:16:08
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how the top area of the screen is so hard to reach for me,
02:16:12
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like holding it one-handed.
02:16:14
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I am still doing the support pinky on the bottom,
02:16:16
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so basically holding the phone by the bottom half,
02:16:19
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which means that, and in my left hand,
02:16:22
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which means that I can use my thumb on my left hand
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to just barely reach the upper left ear
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next to the status bar,
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but I can't reach the upper right of the screen anymore.
02:16:31
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So that's a little bit annoying.
02:16:33
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And I feel like this is gonna be an area,
02:16:36
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I kinda touched on this on Under the Radar this week,
02:16:39
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I feel like iOS has to now adopt to a new reality
02:16:43
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that's actually been building over the last couple years
02:16:46
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since we've had the Plus phones,
02:16:47
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where a lot of people can't reach
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top of the screen very easily anymore.
02:16:53
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So iOS I think has to, and the built-in system apps
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and many other apps, have to reduce the dependence
02:17:00
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on putting frequently used buttons and things
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at the top of the screen.
02:17:06
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And this is some pretty fundamental iOS stuff
02:17:08
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that will have to change the result of this,
02:17:10
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like navigation bars, or edit buttons, or done buttons,
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or cancel buttons that are up in the top bars.
02:17:16
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That's a pretty common design pattern.
02:17:18
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Apps that have hamburger buttons in the upper left corner,
02:17:20
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like stuff like that, this is gonna be a major shift
02:17:25
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that all apps and the OS now have to do.
02:17:28
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So iOS 11 kind of half designed itself for this
02:17:32
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by having those giant navigation bar titles
02:17:35
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that push the first row of content down.
02:17:38
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I see why they did that now, that makes sense now.
02:17:40
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I don't think it looks very good, but it makes sense
02:17:42
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and it works well, even though it doesn't look great.
02:17:45
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It does work better on the iPhone X
02:17:47
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to have the content pushed down a little bit
02:17:49
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for that first row to be more accessible to your thumb.
02:17:52
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But they have to do a lot more.
02:17:54
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And so I feel like iOS 11 is like a baby step
02:17:58
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towards accommodating the new reality
02:18:00
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of larger screen phones where we can't reach
02:18:03
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the top and bottom as easily as we used to.
02:18:05
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And this is, and I hope that iOS 12 and beyond
02:18:09
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go further in that direction, 'cause they need to.
02:18:13
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- So the big text at the top,
02:18:15
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I don't mind the looks that much,
02:18:17
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and you're right, it makes much more sense
02:18:19
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the context of taller phones like this, but one thing I noticed when I was in the Apple
02:18:23
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store hanging around waiting to pick up the phone and looking at all the iPhone 10s is
02:18:28
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two things. One, I was surprised at how many of them had non-default text size and I wondered
02:18:34
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if Apple had set that up or if people were just messing with the phones that set it up,
02:18:38
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like the whatever the setting is for like large text and stuff. I don't know if it's
02:18:41
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an accessibility or if it's the Zoom or whatever. And picking one up that's like that, I was
02:18:47
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like, "Oh, this iPhone X, something looks weird about the screen, like all the letters
02:18:51
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are really big." I'm like, "Oh, someone just changed it to be non-default." Right? But
02:18:55
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even on the ones that were in standard size, because then I would like, I would change
02:18:59
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the size to be standard or what I thought was standard, and I'd be like, "Huh, the text
02:19:03
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looks kind of bigger here too." And I might have just been fooled by the fact that the
02:19:06
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screen is bigger and that the applications I was using were all Apple apps that had the
02:19:10
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big chunky thing on it and I think in general making text bigger and more
02:19:16
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legible on larger screen phones is a smart move because while we may want
02:19:21
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bigger screens to get more screen real estate as we get older and as we get
02:19:25
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more Casey like bigger text on a bigger phone it becomes really important like
02:19:36
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the whole reason you want a bigger phone is not so you can see more text it's so
02:19:40
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that the text on the phone can be bigger and bolder and easier to pick out.
02:19:45
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And moving the OS in the direction of having more bigger, bolder text, I know you're not
02:19:50
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like even in the regular thing, the big bold text at the top is really big.
02:19:54
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It just makes it a lot more clear than it used to be where the heck are you and what
02:19:59
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are you looking at?
02:20:00
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And so I mostly endorse that direction even if aesthetically sometimes it seems a little
02:20:06
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bit jarring, just because, maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I like the idea of
02:20:11
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not being, you know, it's a continuing move on the spectrum from incredibly precious iOS
02:20:17
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7 that we would slowly, gradually be moving away from to become a more practical OS that
02:20:24
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is more usable for actual people, but looks less good if you were to print it on a poster
02:20:29
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and treat it as a beautiful, you know, typographic display of prowess and elegance, but if you
02:20:35
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you just have to read the text,
02:20:36
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I kind of prefer the chunkiness that we've got now.
02:20:39
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- We've spent a lot of time talking about
02:20:42
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the kind of gotchas and not oopses,
02:20:45
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but the things that I hadn't heard a whole lot about,
02:20:49
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so it sounds way more negative,
02:20:52
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or at least I think I sound way more negative than I intend.
02:20:55
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This phone is tremendous, and if you have the means,
02:20:59
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I highly suggest picking one up,
02:21:00
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and that's a reference draw.
02:21:02
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- Yeah, I think you blew the quote slightly.
02:21:05
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But I couldn't exactly correct you, so I won't.
02:21:08
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So my impression, again, is not my own phone.
02:21:11
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I'm of two minds about it.
02:21:13
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One, all the things that I just talked about
02:21:15
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and complained about, on the one hand,
02:21:18
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made me feel like I'm kind of okay with waiting out this gen
02:21:22
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and seeing how things shake out for the next one,
02:21:25
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because this changes a lot of stuff.
02:21:27
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And my sort of comfortable iPhone 7, it works great.
02:21:31
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I love my iPhone 7.
02:21:32
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I'm very comfortable with it.
02:21:33
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I don't have to change any of my habits
02:21:34
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to get to using it.
02:21:35
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But on the other hand, the iPhone X is like
02:21:39
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the most interesting and exciting new piece of technology
02:21:42
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I've had in a long time.
02:21:44
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Just because from a tech nerd perspective,
02:21:47
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it's so fascinating what it's doing
02:21:49
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with all its different sensors.
02:21:50
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Even silly things like Animoji
02:21:51
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that we still haven't talked about.
02:21:53
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Like and all the other third-party applications
02:21:54
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that are using it and then Face ID
02:21:56
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and the dual cameras and everything.
02:21:58
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It's an exciting tech gadget.
02:22:00
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If you are into tech gadgets,
02:22:02
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I would highly recommend the iPhone 10,
02:22:04
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even if it is quote unquote a worse phone for you
02:22:06
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because you have to retrain your habits or whatever.
02:22:08
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It is, it's interesting and exciting in a way
02:22:11
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that iOS devices haven't been in a long time.
02:22:13
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I'm trying to think of what the most recent one was.
02:22:15
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Maybe the iPhone 4 when I went in retina,
02:22:17
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and maybe for me personally, like the iPad Pro 9.7,
02:22:22
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which was just this little, you know, packed in powerhouse.
02:22:25
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But this is the most exciting iOS device
02:22:28
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in a really long time.
02:22:29
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if you are a tech nerd, which everyone may not be.
02:22:31
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So if you're on the fence about this,
02:22:34
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I mean, and you haven't like tried it
02:22:36
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and you wanna just kind of judge,
02:22:37
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it will force you to change some habits
02:22:40
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and things will be different and weird,
02:22:41
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but it is really cool and exciting.
02:22:43
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And you will have fun playing with it
02:22:46
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if you're the kind of person
02:22:47
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who just really appreciates tech for tech's sake.
02:22:51
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And I think in the end, this is also a very good phone.
02:22:55
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I will let my wife be the arbiter of that
02:22:58
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because she's the one using it every day.
02:23:00
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But I'm pretty sure she's not gonna say,
02:23:02
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forget this and go for an eight plus.
02:23:04
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But I'll give you weekly updates for a little while
02:23:07
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just to let you know what she's thinking of it
02:23:10
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because she is not one who's like,
02:23:13
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oh, I'm just excited about the technology.
02:23:14
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She is not excited about technology at all, right?
02:23:17
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So she is a good test for, I don't care about tech stuff.
02:23:21
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Is this a good phone or not?
02:23:22
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And she really liked her success plus
02:23:24
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other than it getting slow.
02:23:26
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So I think she's a good test case.
02:23:27
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So more to come on this.
02:23:30
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- Really quickly, what you're saying about the iPhone X
02:23:33
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being just a cool gadget, I think the guys on connected
02:23:38
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had some really great thoughts on this.
02:23:40
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And I think it was mostly Mike that was saying,
02:23:43
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you know, this is the first time in several years
02:23:45
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that I've been like really, really amped and excited
02:23:50
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to get a new phone in a, well, we're always amped
02:23:53
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and excited, but you know what I mean?
02:23:54
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Like this is the first, you know, new hardware
02:23:57
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where people are saying, "Oh, this is the new thing.
02:24:00
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"Oh, is it good?"
02:24:01
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Whereas in past years it was, "Oh, is that the seven?
02:24:05
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"Oh, is it cool?
02:24:06
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"What makes it better again?"
02:24:08
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And it's not that anymore,
02:24:10
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and Connected did a really good segment on that.
02:24:12
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Anyway, Marco, closing thoughts?
02:24:15
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- The funny thing is, like in a couple of these interviews,
02:24:17
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the Apple executives have said that they basically,
02:24:20
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that the iPhone X was originally supposed to come out
02:24:22
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next year, and they moved it up a year.
02:24:25
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Imagine if it didn't come out this year,
02:24:27
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like it was originally scheduled.
02:24:29
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Imagine if all we had this year was the iPhone 8.
02:24:33
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And the iPhone 8's a fine phone,
02:24:35
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but man, that would've been boring.
02:24:38
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That would've been a really, really boring year.
02:24:41
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And so I'm really glad we have this.
02:24:44
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But yeah, ultimately, with a lot of Apple progress
02:24:48
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in recent years, it seems like,
02:24:53
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It seems like we can't take unqualified progress anymore.
02:24:57
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It seems like every advancement comes with
02:25:00
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significant downsides or--
02:25:04
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- Casey already said that.
02:25:05
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You're trying to say nothing is so perfect.
02:25:09
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- No, no one's ever said that before.
02:25:10
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Well, I'm sure someone invented it, just probably not you.
02:25:15
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No, so often we've had to swallow a bitter pill
02:25:19
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to get the new stuff.
02:25:22
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there's been some massive downside.
02:25:24
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And this still is the case with a lot of Apple's
02:25:26
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product lines, the laptops.
02:25:28
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But with this phone, I really thought that would be
02:25:31
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the case, I really thought there would be
02:25:32
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much bigger downsides.
02:25:34
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Like I really thought that Face ID would be more limited
02:25:39
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or would have more gotchas or more places
02:25:42
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where it wouldn't work right.
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I really thought that losing the home button
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or accepting the notch would be worse.
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And it mostly isn't.
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There isn't much downside to this
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with the one large exception of cost.
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That's a big one.
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But with the exception of that,
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which is often an Apple thing you have to accept,
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we got a really, really awesome and notably new,
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as you said, like a new phone,
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really something new here without significant downsides.
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And that's pretty awesome.
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And most of the small annoyances that I have with it
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are really small, or things that could be pretty easily
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fixed with just some software updates,
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or redesigning some of the software aspects of it.
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So overall, I'm really happy with it.
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And it's not like totally perfect, but it's pretty great.
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- Yeah, I mean, I know we are not the first to say it,
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and this is not the first time we've said it tonight,
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but it really does feel like the phone of the future.
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It really, really does, and that's awesome.
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And the great thing is it's the phone of the present.
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- Thanks for our sponsors this week.
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Warby Parker, Squarespace, and Fracture.
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And we will see you next week.
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Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin
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'Cause it was accidental (accidental)
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Oh, it was accidental (accidental)
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John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him
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'Cause it was accidental (accidental)
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Oh, it was accidental (accidental)
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them
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@C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S
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So that's Kasey Liszt, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
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Anti-Marco Arment
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U-S-A-C-R-A-C-U-S-A
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It's accidental
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They didn't mean to
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Tech podcast so long
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So I have a brief story to tell. On the way to San Francisco, and on the way back actually,
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but each direction I spent time going through the just tremendous amount of footage I took of the
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Alfa Romeo because I'm trying to basically cut out the pieces that I will then put together to make
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the movie, you know what I mean? So if I have like an in-car video that lasts 15 minutes, maybe a
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minute and a half of that is potentially usable. So I'm trying to amass all those like, you know,
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30 second, one minute, three minute clips. And so this way, I'll know what I can build the video out
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of. And so what that entails is going through and watching all of this video. So I flew direct from
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Dulles to San Francisco in back and it wasn't until almost the very end of the flight to San Francisco that it occurred to me I
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Am a passenger on an airplane that has like a couple hundred other people in it now granted
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Not all 200 or whatever other people were near me, but there were 10 or 15 people near ish to me and
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if you were one of those people and
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looked at me in my computer screen at any point for six hours straight I was watching movies of
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for six freaking hours
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What you would think if you saw some moron watching movies of himself for six hours straight like how you were at you were
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Doing it for the purposes of editing. Was there nothing on screen that made that well
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At first I was doing some stuff in Final Cut Pro
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But later what I was doing is I was watching these videos
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And I'm sure that this is not necessary and that I could have just done it in Final Cut Pro
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But this is the way I would I wanted to take care of it
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I was watching the videos and then using FFmpeg to snip you know the beginning and end in order to get just the little clip
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I wanted which is a hilariously boring thing to do on a MacBook adorable, but nevertheless that's what I was doing
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I recognize that is not the most efficient way
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I recognize that maybe if I do more of these this that I will laugh at how terrible an idea that was but for this
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First one that's what I wanted to do
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Does it losslessly cut it at least it's I don't think it's a hundred percent lossless, but it's
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It's like virtually spotless not a hundred percent lossless is called lossy
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It's lossy, but you know, are you on the Wi-Fi or was this offline?
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No, this was offline
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How the hell did you use FFmpeg without being able to search the web for how to use it? Yeah, right?
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He's got a text file where he saved the commands I guarantee
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It's close so sir
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I've gotten good enough with FFmpeg that most basic things that I would ever want to do including trimming from free
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You know is specifying a start time and then specifying a duration
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I know those off the top of my head now because I do them
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Somewhat regularly for reasons. I don't want to discuss on air, but I will tell you two later
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You trim a lot of trucks? Well, yes, actually. All right, well, okay, so now I'm committed.
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It turns out that certain PBS television shows that your child may or may not enjoy,
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there's a new, well actually two new episodes shown every single week, but they're two episodes
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in one file. So if one were to, I don't know, maybe hypothetically use a tool to
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download things from sites like YouTube and then get a single file on your local
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machine, keep that episode, yeah, and you should definitely keep it on the DL. And
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you had one file on your local machine that you then needed to split into two
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files to, I don't know, hypothetically put into some sort of media management
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program. Anyway, you would need to know and use these
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FFmpeg commands. Point being, a lot of stuff I know offhand, but I also have a folder in
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my Apple Notes repository that is just five or ten different FFmpeg incantations and how
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to make those work. So as an example, I needed to twist a video 90 degrees because I had
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filmed it in portrait, so to speak. It was a GoPro, but it was the footage I took of
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the back of the car, so it was pointing at the exhaust. And the way in which I was able
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to quickly mount the GoPro, I effectively filmed in portrait. And so I needed to...
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Or, well, I forget what it was. It was filmed in landscape, the subject was portrait. You
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get the idea. The point is just that I needed to rotate the video. And so that I ended up
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looking up like when I got to the hotel or something like that and put an entry for that
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in my little repository of FFmpeg incantations. So anyway, but the point is, I bring all this
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story up just to make everyone laugh because it occurred to me how self-obsessed and obnoxious
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and maybe not obnoxious but ridiculous must I look that I've spent now 12 straight hours
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effectively watching movies of myself because who wouldn't want to watch movies of me, am
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if I was on that plane, if I saw you,
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like, you know that story, like that some famous artist,
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like in order to prove his art ability,
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he drew a perfect circle freehand,
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whatever that story was, you know that?
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Anyway, if I'm sitting next to you on a plane
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and I'm seeing you, use FFmpeg without doing a web search.
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That, like, it's like, oh my God, this person is a genius.
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Like, I bow down to your skill, sir.
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Like, this is incredible.
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I'm witnessing history here.
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That to me would be the equivalent
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of the freehand circle thing.
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Anything else you were doing I wouldn't even see.
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I wouldn't even notice you were editing video of yourself
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for six hours.
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I would just be like, "Oh my God,
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"did he just do FFmpeg without a Google search first?
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"How, how did this work?"
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- It's really not that impressive,
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but I appreciate it nevertheless.
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- There is a man page, right?
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I mean, you don't need the internet to get--
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- Have you looked at the man, well--
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- You need the internet.
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- And also let's remember that this is John Saracusa
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who writes Pearl for a Living.
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So it wouldn't surprise me if you could handle the man page,
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but my brain is too feeble for the man page.
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I need examples and I need clear examples of like,
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I want to trim a video, what do I do?
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Rather than, if you would like to specify a start location
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and a duration, this is what you need to do.
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You know, like it's just the man page is not written
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in such a way that it's easy to understand.
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- Yeah, six hours, you can read it all.
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- It's true.
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- I'm not sure again.