225: A Conversation with Siri
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Hey, everybody.
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This is wild.
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A little bit.
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This is a lot of people, but that's cool.
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So thanks, everyone, for coming.
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This is super awesome.
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And thank you again to the AltConf people
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for making this all happen.
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This is really, really great.
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And we don't really have an agenda here,
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because this is the Accidental Tech Podcast.
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So I think you had something you wanted
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to discuss with the group.
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- Well, I just have format notes.
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(audience laughing)
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How many people in this room regularly listen
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to the live stream?
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Well, anyway, if you listen to the live stream,
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and for everyone else, you listen to the downloaded podcast,
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it's edited, and during the live stream,
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we just do a bunch of stuff,
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and then Marco turns it into a show.
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And so we're gonna do a bunch of stuff here,
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including listening to Marco do an Ed Reads live,
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which is always fun.
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But I have a format question for all three of us,
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which I didn't mention before,
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but at some point during this show, during this recording,
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Marco's gonna hit a button
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that's gonna play our theme song.
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What happens after that?
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- So, this has been, I've been kind of postponing
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thinking about this.
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Mike had a good idea of why don't we have the audience
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sing the theme song along.
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This is exactly the kind of thing
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that would be totally way too mortifying
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for the three of us to do.
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But there's a whole room of people here who might feel differently.
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So I think that's how we should solve that.
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Alright, but after the song, then what happens?
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We talk about cars.
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Then we keep talking.
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But do they file out while we talk about cars?
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Hi everybody.
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We'll figure it out when we get there.
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That's the other question. I'm afraid to ask this, but I'm going to now.
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How many people know what happens on the podcast after the theme song?
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That's most people.
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- Is anybody not raising their hand?
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People don't know what happens.
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(audience laughing)
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Alright, I got it.
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What I'm getting at is I don't know how we're gonna end
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this podcast, like literally I don't know how we're gonna
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end it because we just kind of tail off
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in the actual recording.
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Anyway, this is all pre-show.
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What you're hearing now, this is called pre-show
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and this is the stuff that we do while we're trying
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to figure out when we're gonna record.
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Anyway, I think I got that in my system.
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You have any more pre-show stuff?
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- Let's get on with the show.
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- Oh my word.
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(audience applauding)
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So, for an accidental tech podcast,
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we don't mess around around these parts.
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So I spent a lot of money today.
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I just thought I'd let everyone know.
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- You're not starting with that, you're already off track.
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- Well, this is how it works, this is how it works.
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This is what we do.
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John is so--
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- All right, go ahead, you can have your moment.
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- Yeah, I bought a MacBook Adorable,
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and I'm really excited about that.
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So, finally the MacBook Adorable has been updated.
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I am very stoked, and I'm really excited for it to arrive
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like three freaking weeks because I went all in and got the super fancy one humble brag
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not so humble brag whatever and I'm really excited that that happened and that's really
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all I care about and oh yeah iPad stuff happened and we can I guess we're done.
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I love that you are the only it's like you ever see the pictures of the highways when
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a place is being evacuated for a hurricane and you see like there's like all the people
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going one direction and there's one car going the other way like this is the entire rest
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of the universe right now is like oh my god, iPad productivity, this is the future, they
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basically made it the Mac, asterisk, asterisk, so we're going there and you're like yeah
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you know what this is the perfect time to stop using my iPad. I know this is great!
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Finally! Where is Federico? I don't know where he is but I'm so sorry buddy. I don't think
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this is going to put a damper on his day. No, not at all. I don't think that's possible.
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Alright so we gotta get this show on the road, I should stop distracting everyone. So today
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Today is the first day of WWDC.
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The keynote was just a few hours ago.
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I don't know when Mark will get the chance to release this as a proper version of the
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episode or a proper version of the show.
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Tonight, I'm dedicated.
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Oh, that's intense.
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Well, I'm not staying up that late, but I don't ever get involved with that anyway because
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I'm a big diva.
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Anyhow, the keynote was today.
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The keynote was today and it was quick.
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They set a really high bar for us getting through this show quickly, which is something
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that the three of us are entirely incapable of doing.
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So this is going to be a little bit interesting.
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- Well this is gonna be like a John Godfather situation
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where like the commentary is probably gonna be--
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- I was Goodfellas, not the Godfather.
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(audience laughing)
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- Of course it was, of course.
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- Yeah, but this keynote was like a speed run.
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Like at first Kevin Lynch was up there
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and he was going fast, I thought maybe
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because he was nervous, but everybody went really fast
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because they had so much stuff.
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And I guess we're gonna go through it in keynote order,
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which means like the exciting things are at the end because they save them to the end. So we
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have a bunch of unexciting things in the beginning. >> So, TV OS. So I have a question. Was the OS
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or any part of the OS actually mentioned? Or actually changed? Because a content deal is not
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the OS. As far as I can tell the OS is unchanged. >> Did you watch State of the Union? They
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showed one slide that showed that they had some new things for helping, I don't know, they had
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bunch of icons that made me think they added some more navigation stuff. But anyway, nothing
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new in TV that we care about, right? Well, the funny thing is, back six months ago, before
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I knew that the Grand Tour was a pile of garbage, I would have been super amped to have Amazon
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Prime Video on the Apple TV. And as it turns out... There's still Man in the High Castle,
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there's good shows on Amazon. Yeah, well, either way, all I cared about was the Grand
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Tour and now it's just a disaster. So, I mean, I'm excited, I guess. This is perhaps the
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the damn breaking, which is really exciting,
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but I don't know, TV OS, meh, so let's move on.
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Watch OS was next, right?
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- And there wasn't that much more there.
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There was a little bit of new stuff in Watch OS.
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I think it's interesting, you know,
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like I was kind of predicting that this would be
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like a kind of a quiet year for those two.
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And I think that mostly panned out.
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Most of my other predictions were horrendously wrong,
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but this one I think I actually got.
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- Siri everywhere, I thought you were on the right track
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'cause they're like, oh, the Siri watch face,
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we really are gonna see Siri everywhere.
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- So the watch, I'm like, okay, the watch is computer.
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like you can make it be anything,
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you can make it show anything.
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You can give it the intelligence to say,
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I don't always want to have set at the bottom
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if I occasionally want a timer down there,
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but when a timer's running, I want it to be on screen.
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And so they have this potential since day one
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of the watch to be like, we can make it smart.
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It's a smart watch, so we can only show stuff
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that you need to care about at that moment.
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But it's mostly been unrealized on the watch face
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as they've been pretty much static,
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like you could make multiple ones now with three,
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but the complications you would set up
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would be pretty much fixed, and it wasn't actually
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being very smart about that.
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So now they make a face where they actually
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make something smart, but it's only on that face?
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Like you can't just put a smart complication
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as like the big bottom one in some of the other faces
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or anything like that.
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Why, it's a good step to get smarter,
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but why is it only on that one
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kind of interestingly designed face?
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- Yeah, I thought when they were showing that segment,
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it's like, oh, you're gonna be able to swipe
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your complications or make your own smart face
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different times of day but no you're right it's just all one face and all
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Siri focused it doesn't even look like a watch and I don't know I mean I maybe
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it's just a start to this I for a brief moment I thought they were gonna say
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third-party watch faces yes I thought it was for like eight seconds there was a
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little glimmer of hope at the beginning there yeah yeah I thought your worlds
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were gonna collide Marco where you have watches and and you can make your own
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face and you can make it as fancy as you wanted you know because your watch is
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not very smart I don't know if for those who aren't here he's wearing a proper
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mechanical watch so yours is not a very intelligent watch.
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- It's a feature watch.
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- It's a feature.
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- Yeah, but it's, you know, I do want the watch
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to take advantage of the fact that it's a computer.
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And they clearly, they now are considering things
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like the intelligence of the face by making the Siri face
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that's more dynamic with what it's showing you,
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but they didn't take it far enough.
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So maybe in the future they will, I hope they do.
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- They did a lot of workout stuff,
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like because I think they're recognizing the watch
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as mostly a fitness related thing,
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- Yeah, I think a lot of room is for workouts,
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getting rid of frustrations in terms of like,
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I want to, I found my own middle of a workout,
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but I want to pause the music and stuff like that.
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So those seem like smart focus features.
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And the lap swimming in the pool,
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that's pretty esoteric in the grand scheme of things.
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- I liked the, they had said that they were going to do
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like monthly based reminders or something like that.
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Like, hey, if you are near the end of the month
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and if you move the next three,
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you hit your move goal the next three days,
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you will get your move goal for the whole month.
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And I think that's kind of neat,
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Because I pay some amount of attention to my rings, and you know, not all of us are
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just innately a blue ring stud like me.
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So for you guys, I'm sure that this is pretty important for your blue rings.
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But I thought that was really cool.
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And I think that a lot of these things were typical evolutionary improvements, but as
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always with Apple, or mostly with Apple, they were not revolutionary.
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But the watch looked good.
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And it was early in the keynote, so they didn't talk about all of the things that annoy you.
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Like if you wipe your watch or unpair it,
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you lose all your data and sometimes you stand
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every hour during a day but it doesn't give you
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your stand ring because it doesn't like you.
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Like I always want a mulligan feature
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where it'll be like, oh come on, I get one mulligan per day
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and I can say I totally stood that hour.
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Anyway, that's next year for watchOS 5 I guess.
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- I also have a small concern with the activity reminders
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that right now when you get a watch on default settings,
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there is increasingly more health and fitness type things
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that it bugs you about every so often.
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And I wonder if they push that too far,
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like they had to breathe last year and everything,
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if they push that too far, people will turn those off.
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And I feel like they're really on the edge
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of that right now.
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- Well, to some degree it's all about
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the way the person perceives it, right?
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Because to you it's frustrating and annoying,
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and especially with breathe, I agree with you.
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But otherwise, I think that most of these reminders
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are kind of nice.
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And I'd like to try to get reminded
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from something external to myself,
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"Hey, get off your lazy butt and move a little bit.
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"You've been writing code for the last six hours.
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"Maybe you should go, I don't know,
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"get a drink of water or something."
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And so for me, I actually think it's really cool,
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again, with the breathe accepted,
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because I don't dig that at all.
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- I breathe during the keynote.
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(audience laughing)
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Did you stand at 50 minutes?
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- Yeah, exactly.
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No, not so much.
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All right, so anything else on watch?
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That's how you do.
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I've done this a few times.
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Well, so for those that don't listen to the live broadcast,
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when Marco used to do the reads during the live broadcast--
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- It was a train wreck.
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- It was not a train wreck, but it was--
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- Had your good days and bad.
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- There were occasional derailments of a minor variety,
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so are there really minor train derailments?
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Anyway, so--
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So speaking of derailing trains, High Sierra?
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What is that?
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I mean, come on.
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I mean, we'll get to this later, but what do you think
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is the worst name?
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High Sierra or HomePod?
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Oh, High Sierra.
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I think they're both fine.
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I thought they were going to call it Sierra Nevada,
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but High Sierra is fine.
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That's a thing.
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But Casey didn't know it was a thing either.
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But it is a place and a thing.
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And wasn't there a High Sierra volume format or CD-ROM
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This is where you were in the live chat room and someone else.
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Nobody know old people?
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Some kind of CD-ROM, Mount Rainier kind of standard.
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I thought the dad jokes leading up to it,
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like I'm a sucker for a good dad joke.
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So that was fine.
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But then I was expecting Craig to be like, oh, ha, ha, no,
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No, it's called something else.
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And that never happened.
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It took me about a minute before I realized it wasn't a joke.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I really thought that Craig was going, oh, ha, ha, I'm so funny.
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I'm such a good guy.
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And really, it's called Yosemite plus plus or whatever.
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Anyways, and so as it turns out,
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they're rolling with the High Sierra.
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And on the surface, I thought the loose drug references
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were kind of funny as a gag.
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But when you're introducing the new version of your OS
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with all of these drug references
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and are like, no, really, this is it, that just--
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I don't know.
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That's a little weird to me.
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But the OS looks good.
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So there's that.
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- Yeah, this is kind of, we were complaining about
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they keep having to revise Mac OS every year
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and we're like, you should slow down the pace.
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This is them slowing down the pace.
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They'll have a marketing release this year,
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but the number of features they're adding,
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I mean, this could practically be a point release.
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Like, doesn't look like there's a lot of new stuff in it,
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or at the very least, not a lot of new stuff
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they talked about.
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Obviously, APFS, which is--
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(bell dings)
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(audience applauds)
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The most important feature of the operating system,
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as we all know.
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They didn't go into detail on it,
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But they did do the one demo that you can do with the file cloning, which is not really
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that impressive if you understand what's going on under the covers, but whatever.
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What they didn't show basically was is APFS faster than HFS Plus?
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Like if you do some big operation to a lot of files, either just using straight POSIX
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APIs or in your app, is it actually faster than HFS?
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Maybe it's not or maybe it's a wash, but if you're taking advantage of features that only
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the APS has, obviously it's going to look good.
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So that was fine.
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You might not watch the State of the Union, Marco, because you're busy getting ready over
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here, but there was kind of a sad note about Mac OS Sierra and 32-bit app support.
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Scary, sad note, because I think of how many 32-bit apps I have on my Mac, and I have a
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lot, and I bet everybody has a lot.
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And unlike iOS apps, I have little hope that if 32-bit support goes away, that all those
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app developers, A, are even still developing those apps, and B, will update them all to
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64-bit versions.
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So they said 32-bit apps is not going away in High Sierra, but in the one after that,
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probably we're going to yell at you if you try to launch it.
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We're wishy-washy about it, but bottom line is 32-bit apps are not long for this world
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in macOS in the next year or two.
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But hold on, though.
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Was that just the App Store?
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Because I don't remember...
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That's the OS.
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My impression is that that's the OS.
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We just came from the State of the Union, so we didn't have time to research those.
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- People in the audience are nodding, that means I'm right.
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- And their wording was like,
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this would be the last release where you can do it
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without big problems, right?
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So maybe they'll do some kind of virtualization layer thing
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or an emulation layer like Rosetta later on down the road.
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- Or even they'll just say,
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this app may make your Mac slower like they do on iOS
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when you watch 32-bit apps now.
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- As it pages in all the 32-bit libraries
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to actually run the app.
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I'm guessing they'll have some kind of patchwork solution
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because it wouldn't be that hard for them to do it.
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They already have all the libraries in it
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They could do like a VM kind of like emulation mode for those apps and just yell at you with dialogue boxes telling you that your
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Computer is not performing very well. You know we skip Safari, and I don't think there's a lot to say about it
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But I'm super excited about the changes. They've made I mean autoplay video blocking. That's awesome
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How long do you think I'll take people to defeat that well can we at least be positive for a moment?
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All right fine. Come on, man, but no that that's exciting. I forget what else was in Safari, but but it's faster
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It's really fast. It's always fast
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- Oh yeah, the intelligent tracking prevention,
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which sounds like some kind of algorithm to detect
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whether to block third party cookies on ads,
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which is pretty cool by default, that's nice.
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Like it's kind of like a half ad blocker step.
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Maybe they would also block things
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that are the more invisible kind of trackers
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that you don't necessarily see,
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the kind of massive three megabytes of includes
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that most of these websites have now.
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So maybe this is kind of them building in an ad blocker
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by default like as a baby step,
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and they probably would never go out and say,
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we're blocking all your ads
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that people might sue them, but this is something like,
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well, our browser just decides not to load
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your JavaScript sometimes.
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They might get a bit of-- - I think they're loading them,
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I think they're just trying to make you less trackable.
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My guess, I mean, we'll have to go to the sessions
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about this, but they're randomizing identifiable information.
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I don't think they're randomizing your user agent string,
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but they could be randomizing some stuff
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that people use to pin you down,
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like exposing whatever APIs they use to get,
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I don't know if they can get you at your battery level
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like they do on the phone or whatever,
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but making you appear to be a different phone when you aren't.
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So they're not blocking the ads, they emphasize that,
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but they don't want people to get mad at them,
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but they are just making you less trackable,
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which is just good.
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I don't know if it's on iOS too, but I would assume so.
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The only other thing I wanna talk about in macOS,
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I don't wanna talk about the photo stuff
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'cause I don't think there was that much there,
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we need to move on, maybe we'll circle back to it,
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but the part where they talk about graphics,
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I'm like, oh, this is it,
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they're gonna upgrade to OpenGL support
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and they're gonna have Vulkan, it's gonna be awesome,
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and Nvidia GPUs are gonna be in the new Mac Pro next year,
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but no, so they're doubling down on Metal,
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which is good, it's their thing, it's fine,
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But I think by them talking so heavily about Metal
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is kind of them saying, we're never gonna do Vulkan.
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We're just doing Metal and that's our thing.
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And if you don't, because they got engine support.
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They got Unity and Unreal and so they don't,
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I think they're not hurting from the lack of Vulkan support.
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We're just fine, I suppose.
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I'll take what I can get.
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But that was one fake out in the Mac OS section for me.
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- Yeah, I will briefly say though,
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because there isn't that much to talk about with photos,
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this is pretty fast.
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They added syncing of the metadata stuff.
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That's awesome.
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That's the one huge glaring hole from last year,
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as you mentioned last week.
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That was the one big hole in the feature set
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that they needed to plug.
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So that way our devices aren't hot for the first two days
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after we get a new one or restore it.
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That's a huge thing that we mentioned last year.
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It's going to be hot when it downloads.
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When it downloads, it syncs the data.
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So syncing is good.
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And you won't have to recompute it,
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but you will have to pull it down.
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Hopefully the progress bar for pulling it down will be better.
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And related to that-- and we don't
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have a separate section for iCloud,
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but it's worth talking about here--
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- On one of the slides, there's a thing that said like,
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family storage plans for iCloud storage.
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- Which is one tiny step closer to family photo libraries,
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because if we have family storage,
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like a family plan on a cell phone thing,
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we pay for a certain amount for the whole family,
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and you share it in some way,
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that's a great place to put a family photo library,
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not this year.
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- Mail got some improvements, that's pretty good.
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I actually think mail.app is fine,
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don't throw tomatoes at me please.
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- I mean, it's fine for me, it works,
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I'm not a super productivity guru that needs
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whatever the fancy mail app of the minute is,
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like a lot of you guys probably are.
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I'd just want more than one mail app if you're a fancy mail.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So yeah, so--
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I've just long ago given up on ever being
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able to search my mail in iOS.
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Well, and supposedly that's getting better.
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It's going to take up a lot less space, et cetera, et cetera.
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Yeah, well, that's true.
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And then there's this new HEVC codec, which is H.265.
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That's kind of cool.
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It's nice that they're bringing support down,
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like hardware support, to some existing hardware,
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but if not, have software support.
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So that'll really help.
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And them converting everything internally,
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like anything that they make will use their, you know,
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the H.265 and their new image container format
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and everything, that's all really smart
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and will make everybody happy.
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- And then the beginnings of your good day,
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they said that you can use external GPUs.
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So you can play games and do whatever things you need
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this ridiculous GPU for with an external GPU.
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So that's exciting, right?
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- Yeah, like there was like a dev kit they were giving you.
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- That was a huge surprise,
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like that the first bit of new hardware
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Apple announced was an external GPU.
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- Yeah, well so here's what I wanna see
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from them for real commitment.
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This is like, oh, you know, this will let you
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use higher powered GPUs on your laptops
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and turn it into kind of the Mac Pro
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that we're not yet introducing, right?
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But are they gonna ship a product?
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I want official Apple support,
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a thing that I can plug a GPU into.
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I don't know, but just like,
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oh, it's a third party opportunity, here's a driver,
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I hope that company doesn't go out of business.
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Like if they're really committed to it,
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I wanna see an Apple branded and styled box
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that you can put GPUs in that you have official support.
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We're just at the beginning, this is just a dev kit,
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So we don't know, we don't know what their product story is there.
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I hope they have a product story and not just a, no you can't, because they couldn't even,
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when they left it to third parties they couldn't even get monitors right with the LG thing.
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I don't want them to leave external GPU to third parties and just, you know, good luck.
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That seems like an orphan thing.
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But yeah, that's, you have the ability to do it with Thunderbolt, people are already
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doing it with hacks, right, this is not new.
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And then official Apple support is great and step in the right direction.
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And then VR was spoken about, which that's kind of cool.
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And at least they're acknowledging that VR is a thing.
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What was the headset they had with the little dents in it?
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Was that the HTC Vive?
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They didn't announce Vive Vive.
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You make fun of me for mauve and you say vive?
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It's pronounced vizel.
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I don't know.
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I don't have one.
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But that's what the picture they used for the graphics with the logo is removed.
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They didn't announce like Oculus or HTC supporting Apple stuff.
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They did announce like engine support and Steam VR support, but they didn't have like
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a hardware VR story.
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It's good they have a VR story now instead of like, "No, VR is just not a thing."
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But it's not as if they came out and said, "All the major VR hardware and software vendors
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are supporting us and VR is the future."
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They seem much more heavily into AR.
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But still, it is a big step for them to acknowledge that VR is a thing and to acknowledge that
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maybe people who create content in the world might want to create content for VR sometime.
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So maybe we should ship some computers with some big GPUs in them.
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Yeah, or at least better GPUs.
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I don't know enough about the Radeon line to know if these are like the super top end.
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Being on the current architecture is a nice change, right?
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Who'd have thunk it?
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We'll see how long that keeps up.
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Yeah, they're not going to update the Mac again for another two years.
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That'll be fine.
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All right, so then we started talking about hardware, but there's something else that's
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awesome that we should talk about.
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Two for three, nicely done.
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So we got some iMacs, that's exciting.
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They've got fancy new displays, which is cool.
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They're on Kaby Lake, gentlemen.
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I feel like there should be some sort
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of excitement about this.
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I'm surprised the room isn't, this is not a demand.
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I'm surprised the room isn't erupting in thunderous applause.
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It really wasn't a demand, okay.
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I'm not that desperate, good God, guys.
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- He really isn't that much better.
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I mean, it's nice, but it's not.
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- But it's more modern, I mean, so that's good.
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So, leaving aside the real star of the show as far as the three of us are concerned, I
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thought the iMacs looked good.
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I mean, it's an improvement, the displays are better, they're faster, more RAM, all
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these good things.
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I like the fact that they kept USB-A ports on the back, because this is like finally
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you have USB-C and Thunderbolt and so on, but they didn't remove all the A ports, because
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all that would mean is even more dongles hanging out the back of your iMacs at places where
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you can't reach them and the weight of the dongle makes them bend down and everything.
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So I'm glad that they did that, and they kept the SD card slot, they'd be like, "No, the
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The future is not SD cards, we gotta remove it.
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They didn't add anything,
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but they didn't take away anything.
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So this is a very pragmatic iMac update,
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and at least they're differentiating the line
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in a way that they don't with the portables.
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The larger and bigger and more complicated the computer,
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the more you care about legacy ports,
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and the less we're gonna try to make it even thinner
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and remove all the ports and just tell you
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you shouldn't stick SD cards.
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If you want an SD card reader, just buy a USB-C hub,
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and then put USB-C cable into it,
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and then put a card reader into that
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with your adapter and your dongle,
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and it's like, just give me the slot to put in the back.
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So I like those iMacs, they look pretty good.
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The screen stuff, did they say the standard iMacs
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have better brightness and everything too?
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- Yeah, and 10-bit color too.
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- They said 10-bit dithering, which I don't know.
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- Yeah, right.
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- It makes me think that the screen is still not capable of
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but that they're gonna dither to get
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the different color things, I don't know what that means.
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- Maybe, yeah, that's worth clarifying.
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- They didn't say anything about image retention, Marcos,
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I don't know.
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- Yeah, and then there are still some spinning platter
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- Models, some fusion, fusion drives.
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- Yeah, but they're all fusion, like they did, they--
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- No, they're not.
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The base model 21 inch is still a 5400 RPM spin.
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- Really, did you confirm, 'cause they made a big point
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of it, that fusion was standard on all models.
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- They were very careful to say that all 27 inch
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configurators have fusion standards.
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- I don't even think they should have fusion drives in there.
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There should be SSD everywhere at this point.
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- But anyway, they're buying one.
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- Fusion should be an option if you want a ton of space,
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but it should not, like that's a crutch.
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Like they should not be using that.
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- I don't know yet if fusion drives are supported
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with APFS, like I don't know how that works.
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That's like both for conversion,
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which wasn't mentioned at all,
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and also if you buy one of these things like a year from now
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and it comes with a fusion drive,
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is the spinning disk part of it APFS?
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Does it make a difference?
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I don't know.
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- I'm shocked that they did not take
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the 10 seconds in their key to talk about
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file system conversion.
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- Well, that's a scary and important step
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that everybody has to go through.
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- So we talked about, oh my word,
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let me talk about the birds and the bees.
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- The new iMacs, they bump the GPUs.
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They give better GPUs across the line,
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which is, a lot of their GPU talk and their graphics talk
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is acknowledging a weakness in their entire product line,
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that their GPUs are not great,
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they're kind of middle of the road, and it hurts them.
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And so I don't know if you need them for the VR stuff,
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but it's just embarrassing when there are fancy games
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that everybody else is playing
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that are available for the Mac on Steam,
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but people don't wanna play them or can't play them,
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or the frame rates are terrible.
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It doesn't look good, so I'm glad that they are
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making progress in that area, and I didn't look at the pricing. Are they jacking up the
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prices compared to the current models based on heavy and better GPU?
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I think it's about the same.
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Yeah, I mean, they have a place to jack up the prices, and that's the IMAX pro.
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Was this where they did the demo of the VR stuff with Star Wars and ILM and all that?
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I believe so.
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Yeah, because it struck me as I was watching this, like, if you think of everyone on stage,
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they all had, like, prompters and had people around them, and presumably they were able
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to see like kind of cues of what they were supposed to talk about next. This poor woman,
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I don't recall her name, I think I did write it down somewhere but God knows where it was,
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but anyway, she had to have goggles on and just do all of this from memory. I can barely
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remember my own name half the time. She ducked under Douthfear's lightsaber that wasn't there.
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That was a hell of a demo. It was intense, like I'm serious, that was super impressive
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because everyone else at least can look at a monitor and remind themselves what they're
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supposed to talk about next. And you can say, "Oh, it's ILM, they're good at this." ILM
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do live shows in front of an audience.
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They do post-production. They have all the time in the world.
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So they must have rehearsed that like crazy.
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And that was impressive. Obviously it wasn't a game
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that you can play, but it was a very cool demo.
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Yeah, it was super cool.
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So was iMac Pro next?
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Well, next they did the quick MacBooks update.
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Which we pretty much already covered.
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You're welcome. See, this is... What's nice about
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the MacBook update to Kaby Lake...
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First of all, they did all of them.
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Actually, even the MacBook Air.
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It was a megahertz bump.
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Same screen, same everything, we increased the clock speed.
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- Yeah, but if they went to Skylight,
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that's gonna be a big battery boost on the MacBook Air.
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But what's nice about the MacBook update is that
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they did it, you know, Kaby Lake came out not that long ago,
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you know, they're shipping these products on time, basically,
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and they're doing it all and it's not that big of a deal.
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They didn't like hold everything back until this winter
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when the iMac Pro launches or whatever.
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They're not like artificially delaying things.
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- They didn't hold it back until they could get
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32 gigs of RAM in either, they just said,
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- It's like we're gonna do the updates we can do now
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and everyone, that's all good.
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- Like it's really nice that this is the first step
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in a potential return to regular updates
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on a healthy schedule for the entire Mac lineup.
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This is step one of that.
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We'll see if they can maintain that over time,
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that'd be nice, I hope they do.
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But this is the indication that they're at least
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on that path right now, and that I'm really glad to see.
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- Yeah, 'cause was it Gray and Mike that were talking about
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I wanna see like a line here.
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I don't want to see just one point where, oh yeah, they
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updated, great.
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I think that was me, but that's fine.
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It was also you.
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I'm so sorry.
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Excuse me, everyone, my mistake.
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But the point is still fair, right?
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Regardless of who made it, the point
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is that you can start to draw a line here and say, OK,
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updates are happening with some amount of regularity, which
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is a great sign.
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Now, we'll see if that stays true for iPad stuff, which
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we'll get to in a minute.
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But I mean, this is still a step in the right direction, which
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- Well it kind of makes me dread
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when they change the cases again,
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'cause maybe we can start attributing the delay to that,
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like oh, they update them fine
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when it's all in the same case,
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but then there's like this big update
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where they're like touch bar
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and the new form factors and the MacBook One.
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I hope the next time they change the form factors
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there isn't a weird gap again.
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Well next, speaking of weird gaps,
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they kind of addressed the Mac Pro need,
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temporarily, with the iMac Pro,
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which we all knew was a thing that was coming
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ever since that briefing they had.
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But for me it was always a big question mark of like,
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what will the iMac Pro have that the Mac Pro doesn't?
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And what would the iMac Pro have
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that the regular iMac doesn't?
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Like where do they fill this,
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how do they balance that and how do they maintain a reason
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for those other two ends of this scale to exist?
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And I still have just as many questions now
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because what they ended up doing--
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- We saw it, we saw it in the hands-on area.
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It's space gray.
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- Oh my god, can we just talk about how hot that thing looks?
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That thing looks amazing.
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- It was dark in the room.
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I wish it was matte black, but I guess they gotta say
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the matte black for the pro.
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By the way, I'm the iMac pro.
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Let's think of an alternate universe.
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An alternate universe exists where the iMac pro
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was there going to be their story for pro Mac hardware.
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When this project was conceived,
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the iMac pro was conceived, there was no plan
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for the Mac pro that they've now promised us.
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So think about that.
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Think about, imagine a world where Apple announces this
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and they never had the Mac round table
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and we all look at this and it's cool and everything,
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but I think people would still be super angry
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because this is not--
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I know two people that would be super angry.
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- The people who want Pro Macs.
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I mean, some people are still saying this Pro Mac
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is not exactly what they want.
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But for a top-end iMac, I think it's awesome
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because now we know the other one is coming.
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So this doesn't need to be all things to all people.
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It needs to be, and that's why it has these guts in them
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that are so high-end, like an 18-core Xeon
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and 128 gigs of ECC RAM.
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This is because this was going to be the Mac Pro story.
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So your questions, I guess, are probably like,
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how did they get all that stuff in there?
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Is it gonna melt?
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How loud is it gonna be?
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Are these your questions?
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- Yeah, so my biggest question,
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so basically the answer on where they put it
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on the spectrum is they put a Mac Pro in the iMac case.
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They put Xeon CPUs, workstation class graphics, we think,
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high RAM ceiling, ECC RAM, big throughput,
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it has dual Thunderbolt controllers, so it's like--
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- 10 gig ethernet, all the highest of the high-end features
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are in there in this little skinny package.
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By the way, the one in the hands-on area,
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Like it was a prototype, so I couldn't tell
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what the noise levels were gonna be,
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but they had the fans set to max, just, you know.
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So it's not representative of hardware,
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but it was so loud in that room I couldn't tell.
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But definitely there was more airflow
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coming out of that thing that you would expect.
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But otherwise it just looks like an iMac.
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It just looks like an iMac.
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It didn't look any thicker to me.
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- No, in fact it's the exact same dimensions
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according to their website.
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It said without adding a millimeter,
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we added all this power, which is cute.
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- But it was not just like an iMac.
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Did you see how good that thing looked?
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Like I want that.
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- You just want the space gray, man.
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And they have the Magic Trackpad too.
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The Magic Trackpad also comes in Space Gray.
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And the mouse, they all come now in Space Gray, and the keyboard is now wireless with
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a number pad.
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A combination that has never existed before.
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That's super awesome.
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And I asked the person that was doing the kind of demo.
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Ten seconds after I asked them.
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I wasn't there, I walked up right after John and I was like, "So, what switches are these
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And he said, "It's exactly like the current Magic Keyboard."
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Which we can all agree is the best keyboard that has ever existed.
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Good talk, all right.
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So it really does.
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All kidding aside, it looks great.
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The fan output, like I put my hand behind the exhaust vent,
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which is in the back, unlike the iMacs that we have today,
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if I recall correctly.
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That was moving a lot of air.
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And admittedly, like John said, it was loud in the air.
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Admittedly, we only had but 30 seconds or whatever
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in front of it.
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But it did not sound terribly loud to me at all.
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And it was moving a stunning amount of air
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for what looked to be a little tiny area
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that the vent was taking out.
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It's going to be heating up the foot,
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because it's blowing back on the little L-shaped foot thingy.
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And so that foot is going to get hot
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and act as a radiator and slowly warm.
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Like if you put a piece of chocolate
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on the top part of that foot, one of the things going,
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it'll melt into a puddle.
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It's kind of interesting.
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We weren't allowed to touch it, by the way,
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although I did immediately grab the mouse.
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But I basically got my hand slapped.
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We weren't allowed to touch it.
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It's just for them to look at.
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The only other thing that we asked that was relevant
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is it does have socketed RAM that you
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could see in the diagram when they showed it in the keynote.
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But there is not user upgradeable.
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there is no door, you are not supposed to reach in there,
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and so it's not all soldered to the board,
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but it doesn't matter, you still can't upgrade it.
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So, order it with as much RAM as you can afford
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after you mortgage your house to buy one of these things.
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- Yeah, so speaking of, what is it,
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start at five grand basically?
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- Starts at 5,000, which is not bad.
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- But you know, for that deal,
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if you configure a Mac Pro with eight cores
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and one terabyte, which is what that base configuration is,
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and 32 gigs of RAM, that's actually not that ridiculous.
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Plus the screen, that's a good deal.
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- You get a free screen with it, which is nice.
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- Yeah, I consider that, right now today,
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and not look too far into it yet,
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I consider that pretty reasonable.
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- So sitting here now, you guys, I shouldn't say we,
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'cause I'm not gonna get one of these
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despite have we talked about how hot it is.
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No, but I'm curious actually,
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are you guys going to get one of these?
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Because in a lot of ways on the surface,
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well obviously Marco is, but I still have to ask the question.
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- Marco's gonna get two of them, let's face it.
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He's gonna get two of these.
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- That's probably true.
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But this does seem to solve a lot of problems,
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and so on the one side I'm really excited about this
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for you guys especially, that it solves a lot of problems
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and it seems like this is the way of the future.
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But at the same time, we had that roundtable
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where they said, no, really, the way the future
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is the new Mac Pro that'll come sometime
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between now and 2030.
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- This is the marshmallow experiment.
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What's the name of that one?
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Marshmallow thing?
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- Like you offer the kid, we can have one marshmallow now,
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if you wait 30 seconds, you can have two marshmallows,
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and the kid's like, one marshmallow now.
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So if you can wait until next year or the year after
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or sometime after that, you can get a Mac Pro,
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which is gonna be probably super awesome,
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just like this is, 'cause clearly they're showing
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their willingness to put the best of the best stuff
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inside a Mac.
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They've done it here as best they could
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in this little skinny thing.
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And in the big Mac Pro, it's gonna be even,
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so if you can wait for that, you will get it.
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If you can't wait, you can plunk down your life savings
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on this thing and get it.
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- So is that what you're gonna do?
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Are you gonna plunk down your life savings on this thing?
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- No, if my, like, I would love to have one of these.
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I would love to replace my Mac with it.
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It looks like a great computer.
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But I bet I'll love the Mac Pro even more.
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So I can just keep using my--
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I want to go for a decade.
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So if I can just keep using my computer for longer--
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You're close.
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At this point, you might as well.
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Wait, right?
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I don't-- if we're to have this podcast in 2019,
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I still have no computer.
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I swear I'm going to go back in time
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and buy an iMac Pro right now.
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I bet both of those things will be true.
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I bet that is accurate.
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The big question for me, which is probably
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what you're thinking of also is like,
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well you're already set on the Mac Pro
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for like you know, shape and political reasons.
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But like-- - Political reasons?
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- But I'm thinking like, what is left for the Mac Pro to do?
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And if you look at this, like this really is
00:36:41
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a lot of Mac Pro type hardware in an iMac case.
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Like what, why should the Mac Pro still exist with this?
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And I only came up with a handful of reasons.
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Like my big one was if you want multiple CPUs or GPUs.
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So presumably a new Mac Pro would have to support
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either dual GPU, at least dual GPU sockets,
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and maybe dual CPU sockets.
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'Cause otherwise, again, why would this thing exist?
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And then of course, maybe they'd have
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another Thunderbolt controller,
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like a third one to make more bandwidth total
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for external connections and stuff.
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Maybe they're gonna have some kind of 8K story
00:37:18
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with the Pro Display.
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- Two 10 gig ethernet ports.
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- Yeah, and the big thing also would be
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presumably quieter cooling.
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- And reliability, just plain reliability and modularity.
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Like what you're looking for is,
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we always thought, oh it's quieter
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and it doesn't get stressed as much,
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but for pro hardware, you want it to just be super reliable.
00:37:36
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You don't want to be in the edge of the thermal envelope.
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Like I kept thinking of the thermal corner thing,
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where we painted ourselves into a thermal corner
00:37:42
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with the old Mac Pro.
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I looked at that, that iMac Pro,
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that looks like a hell of a thermal corner.
00:37:45
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Like I don't know how much headroom you have in that thing,
00:37:48
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but it's like 500 watt power supply,
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and that's a lot of energy to, you know,
00:37:54
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the waste heat to get out of that system.
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The Mac Pro should have headroom.
00:37:59
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It should be the type of thing that you can stick
00:38:02
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either under a desk or on a desk or however it's gonna be
00:38:04
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in some editing bay and leave it there
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and it will just be rock solid, reliable, and quiet-ish.
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And that's the role.
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And of course it'll be even more expensive
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and hopefully also cooler looking.
00:38:16
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Like if they're saving matte black for something,
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use it on the Mac Pro.
00:38:19
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(audience laughing)
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- Yeah, I mean, I think it's,
00:38:22
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I actually am a little bit concerned,
00:38:24
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like why is this iMac not shipping now?
00:38:27
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Is this like, could they not get the CPUs in volume,
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or the GPUs custom part, like why--
00:38:31
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- I think it was always going to ship.
00:38:32
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Like here's the interesting thing about this WAC,
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they announced a lot of things,
00:38:35
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a lot more things than usual that are not shipping.
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So it's kind of like, the old thing was like,
00:38:39
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we're gonna tell you things that are shipping
00:38:41
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in the near future or now, and if there's stuff later,
00:38:43
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we can always have another event about revised whatevers,
00:38:45
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but they just announced everything
00:38:47
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that they have for this year, it seemed like.
00:38:49
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announced almost everything now,
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even if it's not shipping until December.
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So it makes for a better keynote.
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I think we all, it makes for a better keynote
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to show the iMac Pro now,
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then, they already told us it's coming,
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than to wait until December.
00:39:01
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And they're gonna miss the holiday season with it too.
00:39:03
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Like it's just, it's better,
00:39:06
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I think they learned from the Mac Pro thing,
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it's better to let people know what's coming
00:39:09
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and show it to them and get them excited about it
00:39:11
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and it's, you know, when it releases,
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everyone will buy it and it'll be fine.
00:39:15
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There's no reason they need to have an October event
00:39:17
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to reveal the iMac Pro.
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So I'm happy that they know.
00:39:19
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- Not everyone will be buying it apparently,
00:39:22
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but I'm with you in principle.
00:39:23
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I think to answer your question Marco,
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I think what about user replaceable stuff?
00:39:27
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Like having RAM that's user replaceable.
00:39:29
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I think to me, in addition to what you were saying,
00:39:32
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especially about cooling,
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I think the advantage would be user replaceable RAM,
00:39:36
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user replaceable storage,
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and user replaceable perhaps graphics card
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or something like that.
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I think that's where a true Mac Pro would shine.
00:39:46
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and then for people who don't buy computers
00:39:49
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and keep them for a decade,
00:39:52
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then you can get the iMac Pro.
00:39:54
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But if you like to have computers
00:39:56
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that are as old as children,
00:39:58
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then you can get a Mac Pro.
00:39:59
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- Yeah, that seems reasonable.
00:40:02
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- So what else in the hardware?
00:40:05
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That was it for the hardware at this point, right?
00:40:07
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And then we jumped right into iOS 11.
00:40:09
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- Yeah, right into messages.
00:40:11
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- Yeah, because woo.
00:40:13
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- Yeah, I did lose the bet
00:40:15
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that message apps wouldn't be mentioned at all,
00:40:17
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but not by much.
00:40:18
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Message apps were slightly mentioned,
00:40:22
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and I'm sure there were some minor improvements to them,
00:40:24
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but for the most part, I think it's kind of like
00:40:26
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on the scale of watch OS and tvOS,
00:40:28
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well, more than tv, I mean, everything's more than tv,
00:40:31
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but kind of on the same scale of watch OS
00:40:32
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of like minor improvements here and there,
00:40:34
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but we didn't, like, for this brand new app store
00:40:39
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and app type that launched only a year ago,
00:40:41
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we heard fairly little about it,
00:40:43
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and I think that's a little bit concerning
00:40:45
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for people who were making iMessage apps
00:40:46
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or who thought that was gonna be a bigger thing.
00:40:47
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- Well, they did, they're dogfooding it.
00:40:49
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They did Apple Pay as an iMessage app.
00:40:50
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But I think this is the most important
00:40:52
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messages release ever, because it's finally going to work,
00:40:55
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in theory, the way that everyone thinks
00:40:57
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a message app should work, which is if you send
00:40:59
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a bunch of messages on one device
00:41:01
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and then you go to another device,
00:41:02
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the conversation you just had on the other device is there
00:41:05
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with the iCloud syncing of the messages.
00:41:07
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I don't know how they're doing that,
00:41:07
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preserving the privacy, because the old answer was like,
00:41:09
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oh, we can't do that because it's end-to-end encrypted
00:41:11
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and we can't send those messages elsewhere.
00:41:13
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But I just want, and I hope they're like actually
00:41:14
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chronological and not whatever order they're in now.
00:41:18
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So if they do that successfully, have a time
00:41:21
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ordered series of back and forths of text messages
00:41:23
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between people that is the same on all my devices, this
00:41:26
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will be the most important messages update ever.
00:41:28
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You know, it's funny because I am not trying to joke right
00:41:31
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now, but when they were talking about how everything
00:41:33
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syncs across devices, I was genuinely confused because
00:41:36
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that's pretty much the behavior I see.
00:41:38
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Your message is unicorn.
00:41:39
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I was just about to say, you stole my joke, that I must be
00:41:42
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and I message unicorn because almost always,
00:41:45
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I mean there are definitely hiccups from time to time,
00:41:47
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but almost always that is what happens today.
00:41:49
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And I was really surprised to see, yeah for me.
00:41:51
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- I just had it, when I got off the plane
00:41:53
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I sent a text message to somebody
00:41:56
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and then their text messages for when I was flying
00:41:59
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came in below the message I just sent
00:42:02
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because even though they were like four hours old,
00:42:05
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I want that to go away, I want it to just work normally.
00:42:08
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- There's probably also a good security white paper
00:42:10
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to read about how the heck they did this
00:42:12
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while also maintaining all their end-to-end encryption stuff.
00:42:14
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- Yeah, I don't know.
00:42:16
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It seems like I would be willing to sacrifice
00:42:19
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the end-to-end encryption just to get the messages
00:42:21
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in sync because it's so frustrating
00:42:23
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to not see your conversations
00:42:24
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that'd be the same in both places.
00:42:26
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- You know, another thing that was a little weird,
00:42:28
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I have a complaint for the Apple AV people
00:42:31
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that I would like to air in front of everyone.
00:42:33
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If you're in the back of the room
00:42:34
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or toward the back of the room,
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the screen that the presenters are presenting in front of,
00:42:39
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it goes all the way to the floor of the stage.
00:42:41
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Like this logo behind us.
00:42:42
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Yeah, kind of like the logo behind us, right?
00:42:44
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So it goes to the floor of the stage,
00:42:46
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which means anything that's happening
00:42:47
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on the bottom quarter of the screen,
00:42:48
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unless you're in the first 10 or 15 rows,
00:42:50
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you have no freaking clue what is happening.
00:42:52
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Like the prices, like they put the prices
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and stuff on the bottom.
00:42:55
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(audience laughing)
00:42:56
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All you can see is the back of people's heads
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and then everyone's craning their necks.
00:42:59
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It wasn't a great setup, but they'll fix that next year.
00:43:01
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Well, this is the way it's always been,
00:43:02
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and maybe we just made a poor choice.
00:43:04
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It's a little bit higher in Moscow,
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and in Presidio, the screen is a little bit higher.
00:43:07
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Yeah, they're like hanging it from the ceiling in Presidio.
00:43:09
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That was never a problem.
00:43:10
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- Well no, there's-- - No, no, the front screen.
00:43:12
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- The front screen. - The front screen.
00:43:13
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- The front of the room. - Oh yeah, forget it.
00:43:15
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- All right, so iOS 11, it had messages improvements.
00:43:19
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I am really stoked about the peer-to-peer Apple Pay.
00:43:22
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I don't know how much that's gonna blow up,
00:43:24
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but like a lot of my family and friends use iPhones.
00:43:28
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And so for that, it'll be super simple.
00:43:30
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I'm curious to see what the extract
00:43:33
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from Apple Pay kind of workflow is.
00:43:35
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How clunky is it to get it into your bank?
00:43:38
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Do you have to just associate a debit card
00:43:40
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and then it's just magic after that?
00:43:42
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- Yeah, I think that it'll be fine.
00:43:43
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- Yeah, but I mean, I'm just curious to see it.
00:43:45
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- They're competing with like,
00:43:45
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Dwalla and Square and other companies
00:43:47
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that have a similar experience,
00:43:48
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so I don't think they're gonna be worse,
00:43:50
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but it is kind of fragmenting the payment ecosystem now,
00:43:53
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'cause I mean, I guess it already was fragmented.
00:43:54
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If you try to send somebody money,
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you have to go through this little dance for us.
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Do you have Square?
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Do you use Dwall?
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Are you willing to sign up an account for any of these?
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Now it's gonna be like--
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- Hello Venmo?
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- Yeah, do you have Apple Pay?
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We'll work it out.
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I mean, if you go to this conference,
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next year everyone will be giving each other money for meals on Apple Pay, so that'll work
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It'll be pretty nice.
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So Siri's still a thing.
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It is more and more things over time.
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There's new voices, which are good.
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Translation, which does look super cool, but what I'm a little concerned with is, so I
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can say in some arbitrary other language, you know, "Hey, where's the bathroom?"
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But what happens when they reply?
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Like do I, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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There are apps for that in the App Store, right?
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their text, their speech and translate it for you?
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Yeah, probably.
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They're probably made by Google.
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But like, why, like, yeah, that's a good point.
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Like, when I saw the feature, I'm like, "Oh, that'll be great for travel."
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I didn't even think about what I'd do with the response that I get.
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That's the problem.
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Like, it's, I'm not trying to...
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Do I hand them the phone and have them hold the button down?
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Right, right.
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And then record their response and then...
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I mean, and I'm not trying to rain on the parade.
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I'm really not.
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Like, it's an amazing feature and I'm sure it's going to be super cool.
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But if it's only one-way communication, it only takes you but so far.
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It only takes you one way.
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- Well, we are Americans traveling to places
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that don't speak English, so it is kind of our style
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to just yell at people and not accept,
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not have any kind of response.
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- That's true, that is a fair point.
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But there's not, I don't recall seeing very much
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SiriKit for you, was right?
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- You were asking this really for people to pause
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on that slide that had all the new intents on it.
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Did you ever get that info?
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- Yeah, I did, there was nothing.
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There's, I mean, and this was actually
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a big disappointment for me that there was no
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like SiriKit expansion into audio type services
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so that I could use it for Overcast
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and people could use it for things like Spotify
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and everything and I think last year
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when this was not present, the theory we came up with was,
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well, it's probably because they just didn't get to it.
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But it might be to protect and enhance Apple Music
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because that's giving Apple Music a big advantage in Syria
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and having that integration and that will drive
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subscriptions to Apple Music over the competitors.
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So this year, as another year goes by and it's not there,
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I still think those are the two explanations,
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but just the probability shifted a little bit.
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Where they might have still just not gotten to it.
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The things they added, the list was not very long.
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So maybe they just didn't get to it yet.
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Because it is a big job, you do have to have some kind of way
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to index the content of the audio service
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so that they know even how to parse things
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to know what people are talking about.
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So I'd have to have some kind of indexing extension
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for them to index all the shows and overcast
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for the whole online service and things like that.
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So that is a lot for them to build.
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There's parts of it there already,
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but that's a lot to build.
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So maybe they just didn't get to it.
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But they also are still are really,
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Apple Music is still in a pretty good place now
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because it has Siri integration and nothing else does.
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And as they go into things like the HomePod,
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it's gonna have a similar effect of like,
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well, if you want to use a stream music
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with this new speaker that you wanna buy from Apple,
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you can only use Apple Music with it basically.
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So that is, I think,
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Again, they might have just not gotten to it yet,
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but as more time goes on that they don't add this,
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fairly obvious feature that a lot of people want,
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I think the answer is gonna be much more likely
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to just be, yeah, they just wanna have
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that app music only.
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- But what intents did they add?
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Like, they might just be doing it in priority order.
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Obviously, your priority is audio,
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but maybe they're doing like the most,
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they think like the most common ones,
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the ones that have the most apps, the most users,
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and they're working their way down the list
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getting to audio eventually.
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- Right, and that's, again, it's like that's,
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it depends on how long they go before this happens,
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like how you evaluate this, they didn't,
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honestly they didn't add as much
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as I thought they would this year.
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I thought there would be a large expansion
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of SiriKit intents, and there really wasn't.
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There were like three or four of them,
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and they were fairly basic type things.
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So my whole prediction of this being
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like an all Siri heavy keynote was mostly wrong,
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because it really was not as much about Siri as I expected.
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- You were right about one thing though.
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Like I was totally expecting them,
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especially with the HomePod business,
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I was expecting them to say, "Siri is massively improved.
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we have made Siri so much better, it's smarter,
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and just call it Siri 2, or really promoting the idea
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that Siri doesn't do things that are as silly
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as it currently does, but they didn't.
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And I remember last week you were like,
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I don't think it's gonna be the same old Siri.
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And aside from new capabilities,
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obviously a whole new vocabulary,
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we're talking about music to work with the Apple Music thing.
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- New voice.
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- Right, but what about all the other things
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that we currently ask?
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Before the show, people were sharing screenshots
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of them asking when is the keynote,
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when is the Apple event, so on and so forth.
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And I think someone said, it was Nealey Patel said,
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when is the Apple keynote?
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And it said, you know, June 5th or whatever.
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Like what time does it start?
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And it said June 5th.
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And other people said, oh, you just gotta ask it
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the right way, when is the Apple event?
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And it gave all the info down to the time, right?
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And then people followed up with that,
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with the exact same text, asking the Siri the same question.
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And Siri going, I don't know.
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And so, there's nothing in here that says,
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we have massively improved Siri.
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They have expanded Siri to be able to do more things
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by extending its vocabulary, adding a few intents
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and putting it in HomePod,
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but it seems like it's the same old Siri.
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They seem to be happy with Siri's understanding of things
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and I really think they need to,
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I mean, obviously you can do the marketing push
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without the tech, but I hope they need to improve the tech.
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I would love to have a conversation with Siri.
00:49:13
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I would love to go back and forth
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to be able to correct Siri, to have it learn,
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to have it just darn be smarter.
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- Yeah, and also to be more reliable
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and to be more consistent.
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That's the one thing where we'll get to do
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with HomePod later, but that's one area
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where Siri has always been a little bit behind competitors,
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just reliability and consistency in the responses
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and getting it right every time.
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- That's why people love to post the screenshots,
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because as soon as someone has a comeback,
00:49:39
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like, oh, I asked it and it got the thing right,
00:49:41
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someone just immediately thought,
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I asked the exact same question,
00:49:43
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and we're sitting next to each other in a room,
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it's not like we're in different countries,
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like what, very frustrating.
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So it makes you wanna use it less,
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and we'll get to that with the HomePod stuff
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when we talk about that,
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but we talked about it with the cylinders.
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if it doesn't do what you want, you stop asking it that question because it's not worth your
00:49:58
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time and potential self-consciousness to talk to your device and have it come back to you
00:50:04
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in a way that is not satisfactory. You just say, "Oh, I'm not going through that again."
00:50:08
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This year was the year of iPads and it was the year of codecs because not only is there
00:50:12
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HEVC like we talked about earlier, which is going to be used for iPhone captured videos,
00:50:17
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but HEF is what they call it? HEF, that's what it was. That's replacing JPEG apparently,
00:50:23
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which in and of itself, that sounds good,
00:50:26
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especially if it's better in every measurable way,
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but it needs to be adopted everywhere like JPEG is,
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and I presume over time it will,
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and they may mention the state of the union
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that it's like an ISO standard or something like that.
00:50:37
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- Yeah, it's not the Apple proprietary thing,
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as people are wondering.
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It's not something they invented.
00:50:41
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And I think they had a good story about compatibility.
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Yeah, we're using this internally.
00:50:46
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It takes up, the big selling point,
00:50:48
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which they emphasize a little bit,
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is your phone won't fill with videos and photos as fast
00:50:53
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because they'll be smaller.
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And also, by the way, they'll be nicer quality
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and at the same time they're smaller.
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So that's a great product story,
00:51:01
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because that's a common problem people have
00:51:02
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with filling their phone up with stuff.
00:51:04
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But then the story is, okay, well how do I share them?
00:51:06
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And they're gonna be super conservative.
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If you send your Heef thing anywhere else,
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if you email it to somebody,
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if you try to import it to another app,
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if you send it in messages, anything like that,
00:51:16
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then it converts on the fly to JPEG at that point.
00:51:19
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And you don't get the big win unless everybody
00:51:21
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switches to Heef, but I don't know if they will.
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but even if it's just on device,
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if he never leaves your device, it's just on device
00:51:28
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and they be syncing with photos,
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that is still a big win for the product
00:51:31
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because no one else is doing that,
00:51:32
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their phones are gonna fill up with photos faster
00:51:34
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than Apple's of the same size.
00:51:35
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- Additionally, depth API for those of you
00:51:39
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who use the preposterously oversized ridiculous phone
00:51:42
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that you shouldn't use, so that's kind of exciting.
00:51:45
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- It's gonna come to our phone this fall.
00:51:46
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- Yeah, eventually, yeah.
00:51:48
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But that's kind of cool.
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I'm curious to see, all snark aside,
00:51:51
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I think that is one of the more interesting APIs
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that they've made mention of so far,
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because I think there could be some really cool
00:51:57
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and clever stuff done with that.
00:52:00
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I don't know exactly what that would be,
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otherwise I would probably be back in writing it right now,
00:52:04
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because that's clearly the way to a billion dollars.
00:52:06
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But I'm really anxious to see--
00:52:09
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- Fast text too.
00:52:10
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- It's happening, with depth, now with depth.
00:52:13
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But I'm really curious to see kind of where that goes
00:52:15
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and what all of you folks do with it,
00:52:18
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because I think it could be really powerful
00:52:19
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really interesting. Control Center is better now. It's one page, which is super exciting,
00:52:26
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because I cannot tell you, we can cheer for that, that's cool.
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I cheered for that.
00:52:32
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I cannot tell you the amount of times I will swipe up and then swipe left or right immediately,
00:52:38
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because I feel like any time I open Control Center, I am inevitably on the wrong page.
00:52:42
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It is like a rule that that's the way it works. So that's really cool.
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The biggest problem with Control Center, I would imagine that Apple would notice, and
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we don't. How many people don't even know there's another screen in Control Center?
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And especially if that person's phone somehow gets switched to the other screen and they're
00:52:57
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like, "My volume control is gone. Where did it go?" They don't see the little dots. I
00:53:01
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bet that's one of the big reasons why they changed it. It's not discoverable. And yes,
00:53:06
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for the people who do know what it is, it's frustrating, but having it all in one, especially
00:53:09
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since it doesn't take up your whole screen, they have the room to make it bigger. And
00:53:12
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from what I saw, you can customize Control Center and sort of decide what you want on
00:53:16
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your one screen. I'm not sure how much it scales. Like can you put like all the widgets
00:53:20
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and your control center fills up the whole screen. But anyway, definitely an improvement.
00:53:24
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Yeah underscore David Smith, I don't know if he's here somewhere, but he put the iOS
00:53:29
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11 beta onto an iPhone 6 and I got to play with it very briefly and I was mostly playing
00:53:34
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with control center and it worked really well and they did a really good job of kind of
00:53:38
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the faux 3D touch or forced touch, whatever it's called, I forget what it's called this
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But anyway, so if you tap on the panel that has Wi-Fi and
00:53:47
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Bluetooth and stuff like that, if you deep press on that on a
00:53:51
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more modern iPhone, it will immediately snap to the
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expanded blown up view where it has text in it and there's a
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few other controls.
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And on an iPhone 6 or one of these ones without Force Touch,
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then what it'll end up doing is if you just tap and hold on
00:54:07
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I think they had a name for it, didn't they?
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I forget what they were calling it.
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But anyway, if you tap and hold on that just for a
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for a moment, it'll blow it up as though you had
00:54:13
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deep touched it, which I thought was really well executed.
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It looks, visually it looks good-ish,
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like I feel like it's a little haphazard,
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but by and large, I'm okay with the design.
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But I am super amped to use it,
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because I think it is way more functional
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than what we've got, and I use Control Center constantly.
00:54:32
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So I'm really excited for it.
00:54:33
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- It's function over form, finally,
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because the old controls looked more elegant.
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There's like a thin line with a tiny little thing on it,
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even though the touch area for the tiny little bulb
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like your volume control or brightness slider or whatever.
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The hit area, that was probably bigger.
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It looks small and delicate.
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It looked better in screenshots.
00:54:49
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This looks kind of dorky in screenshots,
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but the giant bars that you fill, right?
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That's like the size of your finger.
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It's like the oxo good grips of control sets.
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We don't care how it looks.
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It's like this is a big, chunky thing.
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Put your thumb in here, and when you slide it,
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it'll be clear how much white is filling the bar,
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and you can even zoom it to a bigger mode
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to make it fill your entire screen.
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So it doesn't look as nice in screenshots.
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Maybe Johnny Ivey's on vacation, or he's too busy
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designing door handles.
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But it functions better.
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You are always on vacation in California, am I right,
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I mean, that's kind of how this works.
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But he lives in England now, right?
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I don't know.
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All right, what was next?
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Don't you have in the audience, anyone?
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Just stand up.
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That sounds likely.
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Oh, Lock Center and Notification Center are now merged.
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And I don't know what to think about this.
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I did not get a chance to play with that on underscore's phone. The way they demoed it, it looked pretty good to me,
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but I'm gonna be perturbed if I swipe down to see past notifications,
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and then swipe up to go back to what I was doing, and then immediately have to like
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reauthorize myself and use Touch ID again. I don't think that's how it works.
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Yeah, but that's the thing, I'm not sure. It's showing you the lock screen, but you haven't relocked your phone.
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The promise, I confess that I am very bad at dealing with notifications. I don't understand where notifications go.
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I see them and then I say where and I will like dismiss them or read them and I want
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to see that notification again.
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I'm hoping what this does is make it so notifications are in a single place and they stay there
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forever and I can just scroll, scroll, scroll and go back through them at any time.
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I'm not sure if that's true but that would be a usability improvement for me because
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having notifications in multiple places and having them sort of, I don't know, auto dismiss
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themselves or they go off into the cornfield, I don't know where they go but I can't find
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them again and it's frustrating.
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- Yeah, I mean it seems like every,
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for the last few iOS releases,
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they've messed with the lock screen
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versus notification center because, you know,
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ever since Touch ID got super fast, it got kinda weird,
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and then they tried messing it with it another way
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last year and now this year they're messing with it
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a different way.
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They're just trying to solve the problem
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of how do you make these things continue to be sensible
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with hardware advances and new UI trends
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and as people, as these things get more advanced
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and everything.
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I think this is like the annual messing with the lock screen
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type thing and well, whatever it is, it's probably fine
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and we're all gonna get used to it in like a day.
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There's gonna be a lot of complaining
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but everyone will get used to it.
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- Maybe you should invite people into your house
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and have them stare at you while you do the ad reads
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on the show normally because you just nailed three in a row.
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- I know, three in a row, well done, sir, well done.
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(audience applauding)
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That does not happen that often, so that's super exciting.
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All right, we gotta pick up the pace
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'cause we got a lot more to talk about,
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so I'm gonna try to speed run through some stuff.
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Live Photos has motion smoothing things, looping.
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They didn't, I don't believe, have the like,
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what is that Google app that was super cool,
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that is super cool, that will take your motion photo
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that's kind of blowing it around and kind of lock it down?
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- No, I think they actually did that,
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that kind of feature. - Does it do that?
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- Yeah. - Okay.
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- It does a few different features.
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It does that, it does like the cinemagraph kind of thing
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where you have like a motion thing
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that kind of freezes the background.
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And they also had the long exposure thing,
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which kind of looks like that, but an distilled version.
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There were a few different improvements there,
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pretty cool.
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- So here's my question about live photos,
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which I don't have an answer to,
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because it's stable on a W3C.
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I think that they're using Heap for Live Photos,
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and that every single frame of it is an H265 compressed,
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that's why you can pick a keyframe.
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You know how now we have a high res JPEG
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and then this really low quality,
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like MPEG animation for the live picture animation?
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you would never want to say,
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oh, I wanna replace my still image
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with a frame from the crappy low res video
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in a live picture.
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Seems to me that in the new thing,
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that it takes a series of 17 or 20 pictures
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or whatever, how long it is,
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and every single one of them
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is exactly as if you'd taken a photo from your camera.
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And that's why you can choose which frame you want.
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It could be they're just letting you choose a key frame
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and if you choose that one,
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your thing looks all blurry and gross,
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but I really hope that live photos are now heaped containers
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and every single frame of them is max quality,
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'cause that would be awesome.
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- Yeah, that would be really nice.
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And that might depend on new hardware
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to be able to dump image data off the sensor
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at that speed, at that resolution reliably,
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but if they can do any part of that,
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if they can just increase the frame rate
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or increase the resolution of the video segment
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on older hardware, on current phones or older phones,
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that would be an awesome improvement.
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- And they do have, they're gonna have hardware support
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for H.265 on existing phones, so they could do the old way,
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which is we'll take one really good JPEG or HEIF image
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at super high res and then take an H.265 video
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at higher res because now we can do that just to make live photos nicer.
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Because very often live photos are really cute, but the live photo-y part, like the
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animated part, is so much lower res and lower quality than the still image that it's kind
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of disappointing.
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So my speed run is going excellently.
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Siri giving you...
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It always does.
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It always does.
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Siri is giving you things, this is air quote, "Siri," is giving you things from other apps
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and other places.
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They use the example of some place in Iceland that I'm not going to try to pronounce.
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So quote unquote Siri will see you interacting with like a webpage about Iceland and then
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when you try to type that same name in an iMessage it will auto suggest it.
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Looked cool, some machine learning stuff.
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And also it will rat you out to Apple News because you go to Apple News and they'll be
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like do you want some stories about Iceland?
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I was like how do you know I'm interested in Iceland Apple News?
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That was a little creepy.
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I thought that was a little googly.
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A little aggressive, a little aggressive.
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All right so Maps has internal maps of malls which aren't going to exist in two years and
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it also has.
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Amazon's opening retail store, so they'll all be--
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Yeah, it's nothing but Apple stores.
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And then internal airport maps of the inside
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of the airport, terminal maps.
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That's super cool.
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Not my airport.
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Of course not yours.
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Do not disturb while driving, two thumbs up.
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I think that's really cool.
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Is that going to be on by default?
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Because that would be great.
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I think it is.
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Yeah, so I mean, this is the kind of thing like that.
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I mean, that genuinely could save lives.
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All right, so everyone who's applauding it,
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you can all turn it on on your phones
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and have everyone who texts you get that rude message back
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that says, I'm driving now.
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I'll send you, like--
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- No, I think this is, but again,
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this is kind of like the Apple Watch,
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like annoyance of notifications thing.
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Like, this is the kind of thing
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that's an awesome thing to do.
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It's, I assume it's gonna be on by default,
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which is even more awesome.
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My only hesitation of judging it is like,
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will people leave it on in enough volume to matter?
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And I think we all should.
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You know, let's get started with our audience.
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That's like a lot of people right there.
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Let's get started and let's leave it on.
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- Then like your mom tries to text you
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and gets this rude message back and thinks you wrote it
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because there's no indication in the UI
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that you are literally not typing that.
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And she's gonna say, "Well, if you're driving,
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"how did you have time to write me this
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(audience laughing)
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"grammatically correct, correctly punctuated sentence?
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"They should know it's not you
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"because everything is spelled right."
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- I know you were at a stoplight.
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- I was gonna say, like, is your mom really like that?
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But I thought, well, actually, I don't know your mom,
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but she produced you, and so--
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(audience laughing)
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There's a chance--
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- She sent me a grammar correction for a recent podcast.
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You don't say.
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So yeah, so we're all going to, we're all friends here, and we're all going to agree
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to leave, do not disturb while driving on. I also thought it's visually a little bit
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kind of cheesy and ham-fisted, but the thing where you can say, you can reply, and I guess
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if you have an urgent message, it'll say, "Hey, if this is really urgent, reply with
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the word urgent," and the phone will let that bubble through.
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All you're going to do is let your friends immediately type "urgent" to tell you, "I
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caught this new Pokemon," and it's totally urgent. Like, who's, what is urgent, really?
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If you tell them how to bypass it, and then you're going to look at your phone and see
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that they caught a new Magikarp, and you're going to crash into a telephone pole.
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Well, hopefully your friends are nice enough to know that they're taking your life into
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their hands.
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Your friends sound like jerks.
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Wait, that's us!
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Oh, this took a dark turn.
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Okay, so HomeKit speakers, AirPlay 2 is a thing.
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Kind of telegraphing the end of the keynote there.
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- Well yeah, but they have HomeKit now supports
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a speaker type.
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HomeKit was not renamed to Siri, I lost that bet as well.
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I mean, I lost all my predictions.
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But yeah, they have multi-room audio that's presumably
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synced up and everything like Sonos.
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Not the first time they took a dig at Sonos
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during this keynote, but not surprising.
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And I mean, they actually had multi-room audio
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with the iTunes share thing forever ago.
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So yeah, that's pretty nice.
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I'm looking forward to there being the API for that
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for third-party devs to presumably control.
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That's actually the only thing on the overcast
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to-do list so far of things I should integrate this summer.
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I was expecting a lot more. - You fully support Sonos
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just as they go out of business.
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Good job, Marco.
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Did they have a slide, or somebody tweeted something
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and said they had a list of all the devices
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that support AirPlay 2, or all the manufacturers
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that are gonna support AirPlay 2,
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so you can use this new, better protocol to talk to them,
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and Sonos was not on that list.
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- It doesn't support AirPlay 1, either.
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So to do Sonos on an AirPlay, you basically have to
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have an airport express that you run into the aux jack
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of a quite pricey Sonos bridge product
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that has an aux input.
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And then the main problem with that is that then
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AirPlay has a two second lag, Sonos adds its own lag
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also for like another second or so.
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So anything, it's like moving through maple syrup,
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you like hit pause and then three seconds later it pauses.
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It's not a great experience.
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- It's not a sweet solution, is it?
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So the ghost of ping is back, that's exciting.
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- The cousin of Kinect, because we said Kinect,
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and we go, Kinect is not like Ping.
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I can't keep track of their social--
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- Yeah, Kinect is like Twitter for artists,
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and YouTube for artists, but both Twitter and YouTube
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are way more popular than it was and is.
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Is Kinect still there, or did they replace it
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with whatever this new thing is?
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- Well, so here's the thing.
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It'll show you what your friends are listening to.
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Your friends are listening to this,
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your friends are listening to that.
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Where is it getting your friends from?
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(audience laughing)
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Does Apple have a social graph?
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I mean, they have your contacts, but,
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I mean, that's what I'm saying.
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It's another attempt for Apple to say,
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please create a new social graph on the social network
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that we, Apple, are creating and that will totally
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be here six months from now.
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And people don't want to make a new social graph.
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It could get them from Twitter.
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It can't really get them from contacts.
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You have family, which is used for a lot of things.
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But that's not-- you don't want to see what
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your family's listening to.
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And no one wants to see what I'm listening to.
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No, that's a fact.
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What does Marko want to do?
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Nothing but fish.
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All day long.
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Hard coded string constant.
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Yeah, seriously.
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It really could be.
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Music Kit so developers will have access to Apple Music
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and iCloud library, which is really cool.
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- That's pretty cool.
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- Maybe I missed something, but Phil was really amped
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about the new App Store and I'm really not.
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Like I don't care.
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(audience laughing)
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- We just care if the search works and he didn't demo that,
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so we don't know.
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I guess if you're an app developer,
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it's cool if you get featured, right?
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And you have this big thing and your pages look nicer
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and there'll be sessions during the week to say,
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here's how you can support more stuff.
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Like one of them had like a little award,
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like this little film, what do you call it?
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Film festival thing with the little ivy leaves
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or whatever they're supposed to be around.
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You can say this is a, someone in the audience said it
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but I didn't hear it.
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Laurels, there we go, thank you.
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There probably is an API to put up the awards
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or some sort of thing that your app won
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at the top of your page.
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- Wait, I can make my own awards and put them there?
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- All right, that's gonna quickly become useless
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if that's what it is.
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And also, by the way, Safari blocks auto-playing video.
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But as you scroll through the new App Store app,
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it's a little bit of auto-playing video.
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And I'm pretty sure Safari's not blocking that one.
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I think it'll be fine.
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Your prediction was that they would revise the Mac App
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Store, which is quite a laugh about that.
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That was a long shot.
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Maybe they did.
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I mean, they didn't show a lot of Mac OS.
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High Sierra might have a--
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Did they show any?
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High Sierra?
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I can't believe it's called that.
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It's so bad, dude.
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It's so bad.
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- I'm not used to it yet, I don't know if I ever will be.
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That's really bad.
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- Anyway, I'm glad they revised the App Store app.
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It's fine, it looks better than the old one,
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and maybe the search will be better.
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- And this is the kind of, it's like,
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we're not really gonna know how it affects developers
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until it's out there, because it's going
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to change everything, we know that.
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It's gonna change things like click-through rates,
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and how effective search is or isn't for us.
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It's gonna change purchase rates,
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and it's gonna change a lot
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because the entire UI is different.
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The information density is way lower.
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There's way fewer apps on screen at once.
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That's gonna be a big effect in some direction.
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The value of being featured is probably gonna be way higher
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because those are fewer at a time
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and there it's like a more in your face feature.
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I do really like that they separated out games and apps.
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That's really nice for both people,
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both types of app makers there
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because if you're looking for one,
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you're probably not looking for the other at the same time.
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So that should help people browsing both places
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to have separate charts, separate features,
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and not have to worry about seeing the kind of thing
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you're not looking for right then.
01:09:32
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- Yeah, there were a bunch of other things
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that were on the screen of words
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where some are white and some are gray.
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- Yeah, the word cloud.
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- Yeah, the word cloud.
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Schedule a call, that's interesting.
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- Yeah, a bunch of new resetting ratings.
01:09:44
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- Oh, wait, are we moving on from the App Store already?
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'Cause there's one other major feature
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for the new App Store app.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is new.
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In-app purchases are viewable on the App Store
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as separately purchasable things.
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Like they're in-app purchases that are not in-app.
01:09:59
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This seems like a big deal because so the theory goes
01:10:01
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that in-app purchases represent a lot of money
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and you can only see them if you're in the app.
01:10:07
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But now, I presume if you have an app
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and the app offers an in-app purchase,
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you will see that as a separately purchasable item
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in the app store.
01:10:15
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That seems like a big way to get more money
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for in-app purchases to remind people if they go there,
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oh, by the way, that app that you haven't launched
01:10:22
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has an in-app purchase and it might bring you back
01:10:24
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into the app and make you buy something.
01:10:26
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That seems like a big deal to me.
01:10:28
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- Yeah, so speed run's still going well.
01:10:30
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So speaking of, Core ML, it's a thing, sounds cool.
01:10:34
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ARKit, it's a thing, sounds cool.
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- Wait, hold on, no, no, no.
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That's, we're not gonna do that fast, come on.
01:10:39
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- I'm trying, guys, I'm trying.
01:10:42
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- No, I mean, this is all, this is one of those,
01:10:44
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we can't wait to see what you do with the kind of things,
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where that actually makes sense.
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Most people can't, off the top of their head,
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name a cool app that doesn't yet exist
01:10:51
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that this nav makes possible, but there are a lot of them.
01:10:54
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And it's the kind of thing where you're gonna have
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some idea or you're gonna hear some idea person's awful idea and you're gonna say, "Oh, yeah,
01:11:01
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but that would take like a hundred people staff and two hundred million dollars and
01:11:05
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it isn't even possible in the API." Wait, it is now possible in the API, now you just
01:11:10
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need the two hundred million dollars in the big staff.
01:11:12
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Yeah, it'll all work out great.
01:11:13
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Well, they had Pokemon Go as a perfect example which was already doing AR a bad job of it,
01:11:18
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you know, but not that it's a core part of the game, but they would try to make your
01:11:20
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Pokemon look like he's on the sidewalk, he's bouncing all over the place, now he'll be
01:11:23
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firmly planted on the sidewalk, I'm sure they will seriously improve Pokémon Go experience.
01:11:27
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Hurray. Everyone's still playing that, right? Yeah, totally. I also thought the demo was
01:11:32
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really cool and very Firefly-esque, which of course spoke to me. That was pretty exciting.
01:11:37
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But no, it does look cool, but I think we should probably skip forward to the iPad.
01:11:42
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I guess. And there is a new iPad. So moving on. Just kidding, I'm just kidding. But no,
01:11:49
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Interestingly, so the new 10-inch iPad does look really cool,
01:11:53
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and the iPad features of iOS 11 did really appeal to me.
01:11:58
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And some of the drag and drop stuff,
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which we'll get to in a second, looks phenomenal.
01:12:02
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The one thing about the 10-inch iPad, though,
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is that we had all kind of concluded--
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and it was Dan Provost that put this together,
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I believe, a few months ago--
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that what they would end up doing is making an iPad that
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was the same resolution-- if I remember right,
01:12:17
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I might be butchering the details here--
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butchering the details here.
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The same resolution as the 12.9 inch,
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whatever it is, iPad Pro.
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So you can basically have two iPad Mini side by side,
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and that's what this 10 inch will be,
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and they will get that by shrinking bezels, John,
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shrinking bezels and doing all that sorts of magic.
01:12:32
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But it's actually an in-between resolution,
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between the 9. whatever inch iPad Pro,
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then this, which is in the middle,
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and the 12 inch iPad Pro, which is fine.
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It seems like they've kept the density the same.
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They're just clipping the edge of the screen
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in a slightly different spot, but that seems weird to me.
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Like how is that gonna work with size classes?
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It's just a peculiar choice.
01:12:56
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- It'll be fine.
01:12:57
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I mean, I'm actually kinda glad they did that
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because I think having the full 12.9 resolution
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in that size screen would have made things
01:13:04
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a little bit small, a little bit small touch targets,
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a little bit small text for some people,
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and so I think they probably made the right choice on that.
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But I'm also very happy to see with this model
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and with the new 12.9 update,
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which I did not expect to happen,
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that there's now no, there's no other glaring,
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as far as I know yet, there's no other glaring
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differences between those two sizes.
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Last time it was like, well the 12.9 had USB 3.0
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and fast charging, and the 9.7 had the better screen
01:13:33
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and the true tone, and there were these weird differences
01:13:36
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that they had, now they all seem to have the same features,
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just two different sizes of the same features.
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And that's really nice.
01:13:43
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- I didn't get to look at the 12.9, which by the way,
01:13:44
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I'm also glad that they're still doing the 12.9,
01:13:46
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because now they have a reason to,
01:13:47
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because it is a different res, but the 10.5,
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no headphone jack.
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No headphone jack that I could find.
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I held it in my hands, someone can look on the website now
01:13:56
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and look it up, but I held it in my hands
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and I wrote it around and I did not find a headphone jack.
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Maybe I missed it.
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They also moved the volume control and the power button
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really close to the corners of the device.
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I don't know why they did that.
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I have to see what the inside of this thing looks like.
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The SIM slot is way down in one of the corners as well.
01:14:10
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But anyway, if you're afraid that the 10.5
01:14:12
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is gonna feel too big if you have a current 9.7,
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handling it just without a case by itself,
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didn't feel that bad.
01:14:18
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I think that's the next, I think that's the size
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Probably have no choice because they're not gonna make
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a 9.7 Pro, I'm assuming, going forward.
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But it is a nice compromise size.
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It is bigger, better, faster, but not,
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it doesn't feel like a lunch tray.
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Who knows, maybe I'll miss the 9.7 as time goes on.
01:14:34
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And they made the little, I don't know,
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weight-wise it felt kind of the same.
01:14:38
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It's really hard to tell.
01:14:39
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But if you're afraid that the 10.5 is gonna be too huge,
01:14:42
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don't be afraid, go to your Apple Store visit
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and try it out.
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I think it will be extremely popular among the same crowd
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that bought the 9.7 Pro.
01:14:50
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- Yeah, it's gonna be like, this is the new iPad
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that you should probably get.
01:14:53
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Like, unless you really want one of those sizes,
01:14:56
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you can either get like the old decrepit mini
01:14:59
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or you can get the massive lunch tray.
01:15:01
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- Or mini. - But if you really,
01:15:03
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if you really don't have any specific need
01:15:06
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for something super big or super small,
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the 10.5 is the one to get.
01:15:10
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- Oh, and-- - Unless you need it
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to be super cheap, then you get the cheap 9.7
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that came out last week or whatever.
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HDR support, lots of display related things.
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120 hertz refresh and HDR support,
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which I was really surprised about.
01:15:21
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Now HDR support is basically like,
01:15:22
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you can put that label on anything
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that gets brighter than normal.
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Like I don't know if, like the full range
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of like Dolby Vision HDR is an incredible brightness,
01:15:30
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retina searing brightness, this does not reach that level,
01:15:33
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but like a lot of HDR monitors for PCs and stuff,
01:15:35
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as long as you go way brighter than normal monitor
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and you can accept HDR input and display it in a nice way,
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you get to call your hub HDR.
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so I think this is probably middle of the road there.
01:15:45
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But 120 hertz refresh, which is kind of weird
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because in the old, the 12.9 inch,
01:15:50
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the pencil was sampled at 120 hertz,
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but the screen still refreshed at 60
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and now they just synced it all up, it's 120 everywhere.
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And then finally on the refresh rate front,
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they advertise the fact that you can do
01:16:02
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different refresh rates for videos.
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If you're watching a 48 frames per second
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or 24 frames per second video,
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the display will refresh at that rate as well,
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which is kind of depressing for me
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I want the Apple TV to put out 24 frames.
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So I can watch on my big fancy TV,
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but I won't get the right frame cadence,
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so I guess I'll just watch everything through Plex.
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Plex will probably support 24 frames per second cadence
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before the Apple TV does,
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so I'll just watch everything on my 10.5 inch iPad Pro.
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- And that will just teach everyone
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you should be using Plex.
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I actually have, I have real time follow up.
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I am not kidding.
01:16:35
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It turns out, ladies and gentlemen,
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that the 10.5 inch does have a headphone jack,
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and apparently it is way, way, way in the corner,
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or so I'm being told.
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So it is supposedly there.
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- I could not find it.
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Wow, that is far in the corner.
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Is it on the bottom?
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- I don't know.
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- But let's--
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- No, it's on the top.
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That's why I couldn't find it.
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- They've always been on the top.
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- I don't know, I was thinking of it like a big phone.
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Okay, my bad.
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- So I'm curious.
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I saw during the keynote when they were talking
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about the 120 hertz frame rate now,
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now that's the actual display frame rate,
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or at least it can be.
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I noticed a few people who would probably have seen it
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inside of Apple, tweeting about how that is game changing
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and it's just so amazing to have a 120 hertz refresh rate.
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In the hands-on, were you able to get an idea of that?
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Like how did that seem?
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Did you notice it?
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- So I wasn't using it.
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I was there with Federico and I naturally stepped back
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because I didn't want to lose an arm.
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But I did see Federico scrolling it.
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And I don't know if I would call it like earth-shattering,
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life-changing, et cetera,
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but it definitely looked really good.
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- I'm gonna call placebo effect on a lot of this.
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- Maybe, maybe.
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- If people who are into the video game scene
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know the debates about frame rate,
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like at what frame rate can you still see the difference?
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Obviously, the gamers are like, I can see 60 and 30.
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Yes, we can all see 60, 30 difference.
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Once you get above 60, 70, 80, 90,
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can you tell the difference between 120 and 110?
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Can you tell the difference between 60 and 120?
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Some people say they can, but if you double-blinded this,
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I bet a lot of people, like 60 is around the limit
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that most people can't tell any faster.
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Not that I'm saying it shouldn't be 120.
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It totally should be, especially since it syncs up
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with the pencil input and it just makes more sense
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from that perspective, but I don't know.
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This is another thing we'll have to research.
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Frame rate's over 60, can humans tell the difference
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or just very special people who have gold-plated audio cables
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that the oxygen removed?
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(audience laughing)
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- I wonder too, is it the kind of thing where maybe
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the frame rate you might not be able to tell exactly,
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but maybe because there would just be less latency
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between when you move your finger and when the screen
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has the frame to update, maybe you notice that?
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- I threw out that number, like 20 milliseconds.
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There was that post I did at this point years ago.
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- That was just for the pencil.
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- About refresh rate, remember it was a Microsoft project
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where they were showing different refresh rates.
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They could calibrate it and say,
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"Here's what 100 millisecond lag looks like."
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And they would crank it down, down, down
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to like one millisecond.
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And I think one was the bottom.
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And it was amazingly different than 20 or 50 or 100.
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So 20 is great, but there's still headroom.
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And yeah, if they're doing 120 hertz
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to get the latency down, that is 100% worth it,
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and if nobody can tell the difference in the frame rate,
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because every little bit of latency you will detect
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and it will feel nicer.
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- So the hardware looks great,
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it seems to level the playing field,
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one of you guys had said earlier,
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between the different devices.
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It has the iPhone 7 cameras, which is great,
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although if you're taking pictures with your iPad,
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you're a big jerk, especially the 12 inch.
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- You haven't come around on that yet?
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I've now become like, you know, that's fine.
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If you wanna take pictures with your iPad,
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you wanna take portrait video.
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- Were you in High Sierra earlier?
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(audience laughing)
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So the capacities have been doubled, which is great.
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It's good things all around.
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It looks really awesome.
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And we should talk about the updates in iOS 11
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because holy smokes, they look great.
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Like I just bought a MacBook Adorable.
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Did I tell you?
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I'm excited.
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I just bought a MacBook Adorable
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because I don't wanna use an iPad anymore.
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But holy crap, these things look awesome.
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Like this looks super, super cool.
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And I don't even know where to begin.
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Like the drag and drop just seems so well thought out
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and so well executed from top to bottom,
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I am genuinely deeply, deeply impressed
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at what they're showing, and I hope it works as well
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as they've been demonstrating.
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- So these are all, these are like pro-level features to me,
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which is exactly what we wanted.
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We wanted like the pro-level features that,
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that you know, people who want to be more productive,
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who are already doing these weird makeshift systems
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to do the tasks that they can now accomplish
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much more easily, but kind of like drag and drop on the Mac,
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where we take all this for granted,
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I think most people don't do the breath-holding maneuvers,
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any operation in the UI where you initiate
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and you have to hold your breath
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and then you can do other things,
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but you're holding, because if you let go,
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then everything just scatters to the four winds, right?
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And so it's like that with drag and drop
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where if you're an experienced Mac user
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and the Mac OS X error where you
01:20:51
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ban select a bunch of files in the Finder,
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grab them, slam your mouse cursor into the corner
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to slide away and show mission control or whatever
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and hover onto another application
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and have it move to the front and move over a window
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and it pops forward, like those type of operations,
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regular people don't do those most of the time.
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Like they find another way to do it.
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They do a simple drag from one location,
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but they don't do grab a bunch of stuff
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and then manipulate, manipulate, manipulate,
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drop into place, because there's so many places
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things can go wrong and you can accidentally
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drop it in the wrong place or whatever.
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So these are definitely pro features,
01:21:21
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but almost everything, I was struck by almost everything
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that they were talking about, how look,
01:21:25
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the rest of your UI is responsive
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and your app gets the events and so on and so forth,
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are things that we've taken for granted
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on the Mac platform for literally decades.
01:21:33
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Yes, of course, when you're initiating drag
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and the drag manager is going,
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of course you can do other things in the OS.
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You can Alt+Tab, you can go hover over Windows
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and stuff like that, and it's kind of like
01:21:41
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Marco snarkily tweeted, it turns out desktop operating
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systems had a bunch of good ideas after all, didn't they?
01:21:46
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- Yeah, it's like, this is the future of computing.
01:21:48
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Everyone at the iPad's the future of computing.
01:21:49
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Well, the future of computing, so far,
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everyone's now celebrating it got a huge step forward
01:21:53
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by adding a whole bunch of stuff from the past of computing.
01:21:56
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- But they do have, I mean, the advantage they have now,
01:21:58
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I think, and they demoed it, and again,
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this is why I was talking about it in the last show,
01:22:00
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how a sort of a grab and then pop forward stuff
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is actually better on a big screen,
01:22:04
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you have a second hand,
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whereas you don't have a second mouse
01:22:06
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that you can grab onto.
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So now you grab a bunch of things
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and your second hand can fully manipulate the UI
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to do whatever you wanna do
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to get to the point where you can drop it.
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So I think it is very impressive,
01:22:16
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and except it was what we were looking for,
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pro-level features, and as Casey said,
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the API, I mean, it's clearly an API created by a company
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that has done like three different drag managers
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over the past several decades.
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Like they know what they're doing,
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and building it into all the default classes,
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and especially since most people do use the default classes
01:22:32
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on iOS instead of rolling their own
01:22:33
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because the default classes are really good,
01:22:35
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means they can do that demo of like,
01:22:36
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"Look, I can drag this tech snippet into Slack."
01:22:38
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And Slack has no idea what the hell the drag manager is
01:22:40
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because they use standard controls, it just works.
01:22:42
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- Yeah, it was super, super impressive.
01:22:44
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And we could probably go through every single one
01:22:46
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of these things line by line,
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but we wanna leave here today.
01:22:49
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No, the drag and drop looks great.
01:22:51
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I was super impressed by all of it.
01:22:53
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And I'm really excited to try using all this stuff.
01:22:58
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I didn't really have time in the hands-on area.
01:22:59
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I'm sure all of you are probably, a lot of you anyway,
01:23:02
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are silly enough to run a beta even on your iPad.
01:23:04
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- On what iPad are you going to try?
01:23:05
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- I have my iPad mini.
01:23:07
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I was using it all day long, thank you very much.
01:23:09
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It's delightful.
01:23:09
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- Can it do a lot of this stuff?
01:23:11
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- I honestly don't know, but to that end,
01:23:12
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the iOS 11 does support way, way, way back
01:23:16
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in terms of hardware, which was impressive.
01:23:18
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- Yeah, I'm sure some of this stuff is pro only,
01:23:19
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where there's limits.
01:23:20
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Like maybe you can't do, it probably doesn't have enough RAM
01:23:22
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to have all the apps on, you know, I'm sure there's different.
01:23:24
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- For a brief second when they said,
01:23:25
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and we're doubling the memory, for a brief second I said,
01:23:28
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- Really, they're gonna have eight gigs of RAM?
01:23:29
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Oh, nevermind.
01:23:32
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So can we get a ruling though?
01:23:33
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Now again, I haven't played with this,
01:23:35
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but it appears as though you can do some sort of like
01:23:38
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floaty sort of sidebar-y thing
01:23:41
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in addition to side-by-side apps.
01:23:43
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Are we in windowing at this point?
01:23:45
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Like have we crossed that uncanny valley into windowing?
01:23:48
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- You're never gonna call it that.
01:23:50
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- Right, but are we there?
01:23:50
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- But it's basically a simplified version of windowing, yeah.
01:23:55
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- But you just can't define the sizes.
01:23:56
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- It's a weird limited tiling window manager.
01:23:58
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- Yeah, right.
01:24:00
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- Which I think is appropriate for the form factor
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because people, there's no controls on Windows,
01:24:04
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there's no way to resize them or rearrange them,
01:24:06
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but they are not shying away from,
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there's a rectangle that belongs to another app
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on top of a rectangle that belongs to a different app
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and they're embracing that.
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Although, I'm not quite sure, like you mentioned
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that iOS 11 would be about rounded rectangles
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floating over things, sure enough,
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there's a lot of rounded rectangles
01:24:21
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floating over things in this.
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What benefit do we get?
01:24:24
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I guess they have to show that it is not in split view.
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Like they're wasting pixels to show you
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the little border thing around, I don't know.
01:24:31
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I'm sure it will work a lot better than the current system,
01:24:33
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but especially the fact that you can go
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to the multitasking switcher and see all your different,
01:24:37
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I don't know, they're calling it spaces or whatever.
01:24:38
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That seems like a big improvement
01:24:40
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over the current terrible multitasking switcher.
01:24:42
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- And it's a hard thing to design
01:24:44
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because iOS apps are designed,
01:24:46
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like there's no window borders in iOS.
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There's no title bars, there's no window chrome.
01:24:51
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iOS apps are designed to be full screen.
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And most of the time in use, that's what they are.
01:24:57
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So to design a feature like this in the OS,
01:25:00
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it's actually not trivial to have visual design
01:25:03
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that makes sense where the borders of apps
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actually look reasonable and are easy to see
01:25:08
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that they are borders, but doesn't look like
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overly skeuomorphic with big shadows.
01:25:12
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It's a hard problem to solve.
01:25:14
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They did it in iOS 9's multitasking,
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they did just like the big border lines
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that you would drag around and everything.
01:25:20
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and now I think they still have a similar one
01:25:22
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for the side by side, but now they have the float over,
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and they still have picture in picture,
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which is a little rounded thing,
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so a whole bunch of different options now.
01:25:31
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It's gonna be a little confusing getting used
01:25:32
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to all this stuff, but the best thing about this,
01:25:36
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I'm not looking at any of the particular details of this
01:25:39
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and saying, oh, that's great or that's terrible.
01:25:42
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I'm just glad that they have done something here.
01:25:45
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They have all somewhere to work out the minor kinks,
01:25:47
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and they're gonna have the next couple years,
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hopefully to work out any bigger ones in different updates.
01:25:51
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But the fact that they have finally, for iPad people,
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like this is like the biggest finally ever,
01:25:56
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like they've finally taken the system that they started
01:26:01
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in a really basic way two years ago
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and have let basically unchanged since,
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they have finally given it, like they fleshed it out,
01:26:08
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they've given it more, they've indicated not only by,
01:26:12
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you know, not only have they added nice features,
01:26:13
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but they now also indicated to iPad Pro users
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that this is the kind of thing
01:26:18
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that we intend to keep moving forward,
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that we're not done,
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that what you got with iOS 9 isn't it forever.
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We're gonna keep moving this forward,
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and in so many ways,
01:26:27
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they are making the iPad like a Mac.
01:26:30
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And they're never gonna really say that,
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and they're doing new, edited versions of these features
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with 20 years of wisdom accumulated and things like that,
01:26:41
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but they really are making this more and more Mac-like.
01:26:44
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and it seems like for all of iOS users,
01:26:47
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talking about how much they hate using Macs,
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it seems like what they wanted was the iPad
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to become more like the Mac.
01:26:53
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- Okay, so we should move on before we get stoned.
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So anyway, so it does look really great.
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I'm really excited about it.
01:27:00
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There's a bunch of other stuff
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that we're gonna kinda have to gloss over
01:27:02
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because I think before we go,
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we should definitely talk about
01:27:06
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the end of the keynote in music.
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So before we move on, are there any other iPad thoughts
01:27:11
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that we just cannot resist talking about right now?
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- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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and once you learn maybe,
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but it doesn't seem particularly discoverable,
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'cause it's not the entry point for--
01:27:48
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- Yeah, it is kind of like a junk drawer of features,
01:27:50
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but if you know they're there, it's a really great app.
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And it has a few rough edges,
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but overall it's pretty great.
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So very happy to see that.
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All the handwriting stuff with the pencil,
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that's a lot of major enhancements
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for both iPad note-taking in general,
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and also just the Notes app itself.
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That's pretty cool.
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That deserves a big thumbs up from me.
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- Did we ever find out if the pencil
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can still manipulate the UI?
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- All right, there we go. - Yes, it can.
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- The answer is yes, it can.
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- Well, there's a switch, I believe.
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And I don't know if there was,
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but there certainly seems to be a switch
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that lets you either manipulate everything
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or just drawing.
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- We're gonna get so much feedback.
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- Oh yeah, I know.
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- Next week, all follow-up.
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It's nobody's surprise.
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- So just so you're aware.
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No, the iPads look great, iOS 11.
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Genuinely looks awesome, I'm really stoked.
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So one last thing, not one more thing,
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but one last thing.
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- That was a little iffy.
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- I think it was respectful, I approve it.
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- Oh, okay, it's been decided.
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It has been decided.
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- I'll allow it.
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- The best part is, one last thing, music,
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and the whole crowd goes, ugh.
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- I don't know why they went, ugh.
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The people who went, ugh, obviously didn't listen
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to the last couple episodes of ATB,
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where of course the thing was gonna be about music.
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It was just a question of what they chose to emphasize.
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I think all the way through the HomePod thing,
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people were like, so is this just music or whatever?
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And at the end, they came in with the big slide
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that said, no, it's what you think it is.
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- No, but this was before it was even announced.
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This is like the one more thing,
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and we're all expecting a Siri speaker,
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And then music.
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Well, of course, how can I advertise a Siri speaker?
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What do you play on your Siri speaker?
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I mean, that's crazy, though.
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- Apparently not.
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- Apparently you can, because they didn't mention it.
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- If you use an inferior app.
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- Do you know the answer to that?
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By the way, we were asking that before, Marcus.
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Well, you need to come to the conference with us
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so we can ask you these questions.
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- So the HomePod can play podcasts.
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Can it only play them if you are subscribed to them
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in the Apple podcast app?
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- We don't know at all.
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I don't think anybody knows that yet.
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- It's gonna be sad if that's true.
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- So first of all, credit to Apple for,
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as far as I remember, not having an awkward music demo this year.
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That's true.
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That's a very good point.
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The times, they are a-changing.
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Well, I'm going to count that thing where
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they showed the waveforms coming out of the speakers.
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They were supposed to illustrate something to us.
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At least no one danced.
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Yeah, we didn't see any QDance.
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Whoever-- we have to reset all the bets for the shirt button
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So overall, nicely omitted from the keynote.
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Also, I was happy to see in this keynote
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not a heavy reliance on videos.
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Like there were some, but I think it was a healthy amount.
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- There's no time, no time for videos, gotta talk fast.
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- And they've relied on them
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a little bit too much in the past, so that was good to see.
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But one last thing, Apple Music, blah, blah, blah.
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And then, okay, now, Siri Speaker,
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and it's called HomePod.
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- I'm not that spotted by this.
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- Listen, listen, we all got on board with MacBook,
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which I think is a worse name than HomePod.
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HomePod will be fine, we will be so used to it
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in like three months.
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I don't think HomePod is bad.
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I don't know, maybe I just don't--
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- I mean, we always get used to Apple's bad names for things.
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- Hi, Sierra?
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- Well, what would you have called it?
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Would you have called it Siri Speaker?
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'Cause that's worse than HomePod.
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- I don't know.
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I haven't put a lot of thought into it, actually.
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Maybe, I mean, there has to be,
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that can't possibly be the best name they could have used.
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- I think it's okay.
01:30:57
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- I think it's fine.
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But anyway, so they said basically
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you can have a smart speaker or you can have,
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what was the other thing?
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- Amazon Echo.
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- By the way, like, shock of,
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to me, I think one of the biggest shocks
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is that they actually put a Sonos and an Amazon Echo
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on the slide. - They didn't erase
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the word Sonos, like sometimes they show a device
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but erase the branding, yeah.
01:31:15
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- No, they were ice cold, like here's these two products
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that suck in these ways.
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That was like, they pulled no punches on that.
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That was quite interesting to see.
01:31:25
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But yeah, and I think that what they were saying
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was basically the market's opinion of these things,
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which is basically, yeah, Sonos has great sound,
01:31:33
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but the downsides to it are it's pretty expensive
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and it doesn't have any kind of voice control.
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And then Amazon Echo has crap sound,
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but it's pretty convenient
01:31:42
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and it has pretty good voice control
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and doesn't have any multi-room stuff like Sonos does.
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And so by them coming in with the HomePod
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and adding, what they're basically doing
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is they're basically attacking Sonos head on
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with a little bit of Amazon Echo attacking.
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I think the people at Sonos should be more upset by this
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than the people at Amazon
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because they're focusing strongly on music
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for lots of reasons probably right now,
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but they're focusing very strongly on music.
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As far as I can tell, did they say,
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is there gonna be any kind of Siri kit integration with it?
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Do we know that? - I don't think we know.
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- There's a few nods in the audience.
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- That was another place where the Siri thing was weird
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because they, so much emphasis on music,
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which I think is smart 'cause it plays to their strengths,
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but so little emphasis on talking to the thing.
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There was one slide, oh, you can talk to it
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and ask this bunch of stuff, yada, yada, yada,
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- No third party. - And it's way better,
01:32:34
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we promise, Wink.
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- No screen, no apps, no developer story,
01:32:38
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as far as I can see.
01:32:40
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- Yeah, I was very surprised to see it didn't have a screen.
01:32:42
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Like, now that we're seeing what's coming out from Amazon,
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and then presumably the next Google air freshener
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will have one too, like, there's a lot of value, I think,
01:32:50
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I mean, I haven't tried any of these things yet
01:32:51
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with the screen, but I think there's a lot of value
01:32:53
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to having a screen on a device
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that's like a home assistant thing.
01:32:57
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Like, if you look at the way, you know,
01:32:58
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the HomePod seems to be designed for your living room.
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And in that kind of context,
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I can see a screen being less useful
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'cause you're probably not gonna be using it
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as a timer and stuff.
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But for the kitchen, which is where the Echo
01:33:09
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has really shown to be very useful,
01:33:11
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a screen would be nice to see things like
01:33:13
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your timer statuses and the current weather
01:33:16
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as you're walking by in the morning and stuff like that.
01:33:17
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So to not have that kind of focus
01:33:21
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and to be coming in at a premium price point,
01:33:23
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coming at $350, that's a pretty healthy price point there.
01:33:28
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They're really attacking Sonos mostly
01:33:31
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because Soto's speaker started about two or 300 bucks
01:33:34
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and they go up from there.
01:33:35
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I don't know how well this is going to sell.
01:33:41
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I think the tech press is probably gonna rate them
01:33:44
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over the coals for the price compared to the competitors.
01:33:47
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I'm probably gonna buy one,
01:33:48
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you're probably gonna make fun of me.
01:33:51
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- I don't know, it looks pretty good.
01:33:52
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- We're all gonna buy one, Casey's gonna buy one.
01:33:53
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I said during the video.
01:33:54
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- Why are you so confident, I mean you're right,
01:33:55
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but why are you so confident about this?
01:33:58
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- 'Cause as soon as I saw that on the screen,
01:33:59
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I'm like you are absolutely,
01:34:00
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the marketing pitch works on you.
01:34:02
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Them pitching it as a music thing, you're like,
01:34:05
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well, I don't want one of those cylinders do I talk to,
01:34:06
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but this is just an awesome way to play music.
01:34:08
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And so you're going to get one.
01:34:10
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But it doesn't have that rich vinyl-- no, never mind.
01:34:13
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But no, it does have that warmth that I'm used to.
01:34:16
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No, it does look really good.
01:34:17
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And I probably will buy one, to be honest with you.
01:34:20
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No, I think it looked awesome.
01:34:21
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I think that-- I saw one in the hands-on area very briefly.
01:34:25
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We did not hear it, but we saw both the black and the white.
01:34:27
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They both look great.
01:34:28
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John made a very funny comment, though,
01:34:30
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that there's this not insignificant cable coming out
01:34:33
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of the back of this thing.
01:34:34
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And in the Apple hands-on area, there's
01:34:35
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a hole in the table that it goes through,
01:34:37
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which is super convenient for Apple.
01:34:39
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And so it's not going to be quite so beautiful and bespoke
01:34:44
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in my house.
01:34:44
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It's a pretty thick power cable.
01:34:46
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It's more like the power cable to your Mac,
01:34:48
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like a big cylindrical thing.
01:34:49
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It's less like just a little thing with a wall
01:34:52
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ward or whatever.
01:34:52
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Anyway, I think it'll be fine.
01:34:53
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It's also a little bit chunkier.
01:34:55
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It is chunkier than the Google Home.
01:34:59
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It looks fat.
01:35:00
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- Well, and there's no great way
01:35:02
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to make a tiny speaker sound good.
01:35:05
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So I don't mind it getting a little bit bigger.
01:35:07
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Like the Sonos Play One, their smallest speaker,
01:35:09
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is chunkier than the Echo.
01:35:11
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It's shorter but fatter.
01:35:12
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And I think it's great.
01:35:14
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The Sonos Play One sounds awesome.
01:35:16
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And a lot of Apple's features
01:35:17
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with measuring the room, response, and everything else,
01:35:20
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that's a lot of Sonos Play Book for years.
01:35:23
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It's probably gonna sound great, right?
01:35:25
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- Yeah, and it appears as though
01:35:28
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it's going to sound phenomenal,
01:35:29
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and I am really anxious to hear one and try one out.
01:35:33
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And I don't know that I necessarily have a place in my home
01:35:37
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that I am in desperate need of a new speaker,
01:35:41
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but that being said, this is appealing enough to me
01:35:44
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just in principle, and I trust Apple to, of all things,
01:35:47
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understand how to make music sound good,
01:35:50
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that to me, I'm like, well, okay, this is an insta-buy.
01:35:52
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This is just gonna have to happen.
01:35:53
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- The same intro price as the iPod Hi-Fi too.
01:35:56
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It was also $349, it turns out.
01:35:58
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- Yeah, and honestly, I think it is probably
01:36:01
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gonna be a good product, but I do have concerns,
01:36:04
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first of all, that is pretty expensive for this market.
01:36:06
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Again, they're really going after Sonos, not the Echo.
01:36:09
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The Echo and the Google Home are always
01:36:11
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gonna be cheaper than this, and I don't see Apple
01:36:13
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playing like a race to the bottom price game
01:36:15
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on this product, I see this being a nice
01:36:16
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profit center for them, and to make high-end stuff only,
01:36:19
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and by positioning themselves pretty much only against Sonos,
01:36:23
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then they kind of avoid having to compete
01:36:25
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in the super low margin stuff.
01:36:27
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But they're gonna be better on privacy
01:36:29
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than Amazon and Google.
01:36:30
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As predicted, sound quality's gonna be great.
01:36:34
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I think overall, many of us are gonna have these,
01:36:37
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but it's gonna be market size-wise
01:36:41
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more like the airport extreme than the Apple TV.
01:36:46
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- Well, the marketing push was for music, right?
01:36:49
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But if you look at the hardware,
01:36:50
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it's got a whole bunch of microphones in it.
01:36:53
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It is well-equipped, hardware-wise,
01:36:56
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to do everything that the Echo does.
01:36:58
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- And the A8 as well.
01:36:59
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I mean, it's powered by an iPhone processor,
01:37:01
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which is not as well.
01:37:02
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- It is powerful, it's expansive.
01:37:04
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- But still, though.
01:37:05
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- So because the hardware is well-equipped to do that,
01:37:08
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they didn't emphasize it, and we all just assume
01:37:10
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it will be worse at answering your questions
01:37:12
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than the Echo and the Google things,
01:37:15
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which is why they're wise not to emphasize it.
01:37:17
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But say many years pass and they get better at that part,
01:37:19
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there's no reason they can't make a cheaper model
01:37:22
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they decide to compete on price, tone down the speakers,
01:37:24
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make the one that is focused more on answering your questions
01:37:28
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and being a voice assistant, and less on playing music
01:37:31
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with high fidelity, and then they're right in that market.
01:37:33
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It's just a question of, like as they listed on that big thing,
01:37:36
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all the things you can do, you can set timers, have reminders,
01:37:38
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ask it questions, and just like, all the things they said it can do
01:37:41
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are the things that Google Home and Amazon Echo do.
01:37:44
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We just all assume that Apple does them worse.
01:37:47
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And them not demoing them at all doesn't help us get, you know,
01:37:50
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So they didn't even try to show off or say,
01:37:53
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they didn't touch it at all.
01:37:54
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You would be forgiven for thinking that this thing
01:37:57
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doesn't do anything except for play music,
01:37:58
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but it does everything that all the other devices do.
01:38:01
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So I think they have left the door open
01:38:04
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to come after Google Home and Amazon
01:38:06
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whenever the heck they can get their act together
01:38:08
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to actually be competitive in that.
01:38:10
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And who knows, maybe they're already competitive
01:38:11
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in that area, we don't know, they never even demoed
01:38:13
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or never talked about it, it was just a word cloud.
01:38:15
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- I mean, the impression I get is that this is still
01:38:17
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in a very early stage of development.
01:38:19
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Like, I mean, it isn't even coming out until December,
01:38:21
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which raises the question of if the,
01:38:24
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this is a product that has apparently no developer support,
01:38:27
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no thing that anybody can do between now
01:38:30
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and when it comes out,
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and there's gonna be a September event, presumably,
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where they announce new iPhones and stuff,
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why did they announce this now?
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- That's an interesting point, I didn't think about that.
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- We should've opened up the hardware,
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see if there's anything inside there.
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Is it just empty shells?
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You can look at the hardware and it had little lights,
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like they do the same thing as Google Home
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with like colored LEDs on the top,
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showing through with the Siri logo-y type thing.
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So it looked like finished-ish hardware.
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- Yeah, but overall, let's kind of wrap this up.
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Impressions of the keynote, I thought it was really good.
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I'm a little, concerned is too strong a word,
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but I feel like it was a lot of catch up
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or like things that we maybe expected
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to happen a long time ago,
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particularly with like the iPad productivity enhancements.
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That said, it was still a very impressive keynote.
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And we got hardware that I would have told you,
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as I think I said to somebody, as we're sitting in the keynote,
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there's no way we're going to get a whole bunch of hardware
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I finally gave Apple a bunch of my money,
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which is really exciting, sort of.
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And so we got a lot of hardware.
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We got iPads.
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We got Macs.
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The playing field has been leveled within each
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of these lines for the most part.
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It's a level playing field in the iPad world.
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Sorry, Minnie.
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It's a level playing field in the Mac world.
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Sorry, iPad Air.
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And yet, I mean, all in all, I thought it was pretty good.
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But what did the two of you think?
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Let's start with you, John.
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- You said it was like a lot of ketchup.
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I would just change the emphasis.
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It was a lot of ketchup.
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Like, last show, Marco was listening to all the things
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that he wanted, I was like, they can't do all those things.
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And the emphasis may have been different
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in the products they did, but they did
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almost all of those things.
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- Which should be committed. - They revised all the hardware
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that we thought they could possibly revise.
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This is what I thought was great about it,
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and I think it was a really smart move,
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was the stuff that wasn't ready, they announced that anyway.
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'Cause it's like, it's fine, it's such a rush to say,
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okay, I can order that today, but that's gonna be December,
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but that's gonna be later in the fall.
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It's like, you don't care,
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just show me all the cool new things.
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I think that was super smart, and I came away thinking
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this was a very impressive keynote,
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where everything they showed
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was like met expectations at the very least.
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And I was excited to see the iMac Pro and stuff like this.
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I don't care when it's shipping, just show it to me.
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Like, thumbs up.
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- What do you think, Marco?
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- So I think, you know, Tim Cook opened it
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by saying this is going to be the biggest
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and best WWDC ever.
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And I don't think it was.
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I think that was setting it a little bit too high.
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I think the one a couple years ago
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when Swift was announced was probably
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the biggest and best WWDC ever to date.
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But I do think overall,
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this was pretty packed full of good stuff.
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And a lot of this stuff, you know,
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we're not gonna develop an understanding
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and appreciation of a lot of it until we get to use it
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for a while or until it launches to the public.
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So we all have to actually use the new multitasking
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and productivity and files type things.
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We have to write apps against this stuff.
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We have to wait for the apps that we use to get updated
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to actually enjoy and use and get to see a lot of this stuff
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Now we have to wait for the App Store launch
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until presumably the fall before we get any benefit
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So there's a lot of, and we have to wait until
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quote December, but in Apple products that probably means
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March before we can actually get one.
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So we have to wait until next spring, presumably,
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before we can actually see the HomePod.
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God, I almost said Siri speaker.
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- It's fine. - You'll be fine.
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Two weeks, you'll be fine.
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- So we have to wait to see that,
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we have to wait to see the iMac Pro,
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and then later on the Mac Pro.
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So there's a lot of like, just wait,
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this is gonna be awesome.
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But they've backed it up with enough actual output
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and solid announcements and firm commitments to things
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and actual changes to stuff that overall,
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I think this is pretty cool.
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There are certainly areas that I'm concerned about
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like the TV and the watch and messages and stuff like that.
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There's areas that are not as,
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have been kind of had slow years
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and they didn't do everything I wanted them to do
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in certain things like SiriKit.
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But overall, I think it's pretty good.
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And I enjoyed the presentation itself, as I said earlier,
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like the video stuff and the not having Apple Music
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presentation.
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Overall, I think, pretty good to WDC.
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Certainly in the top half, maybe the top quarter,
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if not number one ever.
01:42:46
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- Yeah, I thought it was really well done.
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So at this point, I don't know what we're going to do
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because we didn't discuss this in advance,
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because it's the Accidental Tech Podcast.
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- Marco has to do his thing.
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- Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week,
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Squarespace, Audible, and Fracture,
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and we will see you next week.
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(upbeat music)
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Ha ha, gotcha.
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♪ Now the show is over ♪
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They didn't even mean to begin, 'cause it was accidental.
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(It was accidental)
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Oh, it was accidental.
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(Oh, it was accidental)
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John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him, 'cause it was accidental.
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(It was accidental)
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Oh, it was accidental.
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(Accidental)
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm.
01:43:29
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them
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@C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S
01:43:38
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So that's K-C-U-S-M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
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E-M-T-M-A-R-M-N
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S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A
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It's accidental
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They didn't mean too accidental
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Take what can so long
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Well done, well done.
01:44:07
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So, I don't, I think we're, I think we're probably not, we'll probably skip an after show and god knows what we're gonna do about the titles.
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That was exactly as awkward and awesome as I had thought it was.
01:44:18
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If you had told me back in like 2012 when I'm listening to these two and you had told
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me that not only would I be up on stage with these two, but all of you amazing, wonderful
01:44:30
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people would come to see us and sing us our song.
01:44:34
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Like what a weird world we live in.
01:44:37
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And I know I speak for the two of these guys that we are so deeply, deeply grateful for
01:44:41
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you guys coming out and it really means a ton to all of us.
01:44:44
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And I hope you enjoy the rest of your week if you're at any of the wonderful conferences,
01:44:48
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including but not limited to AltConf.
01:44:49
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So thank you so much to AltConf for having us come in.
01:44:52
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Can we give them a big round of applause as well?
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(audience applauding)
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As usual, with the exception of Marco,
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John and I just kind of showed up, did our thing,
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and then we're gonna go soon.
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But no, really, you guys, thank you so much for coming.
01:45:08
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- Also, big, nice announcement,
01:45:10
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AltConf raised a whole bunch of money
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for AppCamp for Girls over the last couple days.
01:45:14
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(audience applauding)
01:45:17
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Also there is a benefit concert by James Dempsey and the Breakpoints.
01:45:22
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I've seen them, they've done a great show.
01:45:24
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Highly recommended. There's still tickets left and the proceeds to that go to AppCamp for Girls.
01:45:29
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Add to the tickets for this event, but they're going to raise way more because they're awesome.
01:45:33
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So please go buy a ticket to that if you haven't already.
01:45:36
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It's tomorrow night, right? Or Wednesday? Wednesday.
01:45:39
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Wednesday, I highly suggest seeing them in person and you cannot pick a better organization to support than AppCamp for Girls.
01:45:45
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So please go buy those last tickets. I want to see that show sold out
01:45:49
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So thank you everyone for listening anything else before we go. I think we're good. I got a big titles all right
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So in a deeply embarrassing turn of events I looked earlier about halfway through the show
01:46:01
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And I think the show about was down
01:46:03
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I was wondering if you were even running the show but I well I usually never touch it in everything just magically works
01:46:08
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Just like Apple stuff. I'm ready to fill our promise like when we remember we record live we were way worse than this
01:46:13
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Yeah, we've talked all sorts of crazy things and it's lots of diversions and Marco puts it back together. This is pretty coherent
01:46:18
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Yeah, we did. All right, but I apologize for not giving you the full experience but
01:46:21
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Like I'm pretty hungry and so I don't want to have to edit a lot tonight
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So so here's the thing
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We didn't have a show bot but I have five title options that I will read to you group and then when I am done
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You can perhaps we will go through again and you can cheer for the one you like democracy
01:46:41
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Yeah, right. That would be known, I tried.
01:46:44
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Off into the cornfield was option one.
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That's pretty good.
01:46:48
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I can't even read my own damn handwriting.
01:46:49
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I was gonna say, you can read that?
01:46:51
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What the hell does on the somethingness of controls, on the good grips of control?
01:46:55
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OXO good grips. There we go, I put it together. OXO good grips of control.
01:46:59
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That's a trademark, we can't use that.
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That's second one, okay, fine.
01:47:01
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Third one, a conversation with Siri. Number four, practically a point release and number five, compromise size.
01:47:07
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I think off into the cornfield is the weird one.
01:47:08
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Gotta be cornfields, right?
01:47:09
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No, I've flubbed that. That's a reference to a Twilight Zone episode that I don't know enough about to get the right quote.
01:47:14
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I don't want a flubbed quote.
01:47:16
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This is what we see if you don't listen live. This is what happens every friggin' time.
01:47:21
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What was the other one?
01:47:22
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Okay, Oxo Goodrips of Control, Conversation with Ciri.
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Conversation with Ciri is the winner. That's not bad.
01:47:28
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Alright, fine. Can we agree on that?
01:47:31
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Alright, do the alt-com people, do you guys want to say anything else before we kind of shut this all down and go do our thing?
01:47:40
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(audience laughs)
01:47:40
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Thanks everybody for listening.
01:47:42
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- Thank you so much.
01:47:42
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We'll try to hang around for just a minute.
01:47:44
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Thank you guys.
01:47:45
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(audience applauds)
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[ Applause ]