150: A Mac Pro in Every Pot
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But I did see Star Wars last night, we can talk about that for a while.
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Yeah, it's old news.
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Aw, man, I missed my chance.
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Now that Marco's seen it, it's old news.
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It's all downhill from there.
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Do you want to do some follow-up?
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Sure, we actually have some.
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One person who's not...
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I don't know if this person lives in Dubai or just knows about the Apple Store in Dubai,
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but I'm trying to think of a reason why this person is not like every single person in
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the United States on vacation and not sending us any follow-up. But in episode
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149 we talked about the foliage walls and the Apple model store things from
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the 60 minutes television show. They showed like oh here's a store where we
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try out all the different ideas we have for Apple stores and they have this one
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wall of the store that had plants like real living plants just sort of
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cascading down the wall and I thought that would be funny if they actually put
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that in a store. Well apparently they have it's just goes to show that
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that everything they show in 60 minutes has to be something that already exists, so that
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no secrets are revealed.
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The Apple Store in Dubai, they have a foliage wall.
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So there you go.
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That's super exciting.
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That is a definite reason to visit there.
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To just pet the foliage wall.
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I wonder how that would, like, I mean I guess they have to have people keeping the plants
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alive, but, like, why don't we get foliage?
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If it's a good idea, why isn't it a good idea everywhere?
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Why is it only a good idea in the desert?
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I don't know.
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It struck me as a little weird, although I really did like—and I think, Jon, you had
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briefly mentioned this when we talked about it—I really liked the display case for all
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the cases, the iPhone cases, where the case is on the outside of what ends up being a
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So you grab the case and pull the case, and then there's a drawer of these cases behind
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That was a terrible word picture, but hopefully that makes sense.
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I thought that was really clever, and I don't recall having ever seen that before.
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did write in, I misplaced their email or maybe it was a tweet, and said that those pull-out
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drawer things actually exist in stores too. So basically there's nothing in 60 Minutes
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that they showed you that doesn't already exist in an Apple Store, which is not surprising.
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Not surprising, but a little bit sad. That's okay, though. All right, so any other follow-up
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we need to talk about? That's it, everyone's still on vacation, including us. So not only
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California, but everyone is on vacation. Well, California's always on vacation. That is true.
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So the Christmas time has come and passed, and Casey has some new toys, ladies and gentlemen.
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It's exciting.
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So we have talked about the new Apple TV.
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I now have a new Apple TV.
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And now I will make everyone sit here and listen to my oh-so-outdated thoughts about
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the Apple TV.
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That's all right.
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I'll talk about the Mac Pro later, so I'll get you back.
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serious, then I will happily forego the Apple TV talk, if that means you will forego the
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Mac Pro talk.
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Well, I have to tell you about the new Mac Pro I got.
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Oh, dear God, I hope you're kidding. I don't have any alcohol nearby, so this is going
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to be a long night for me. Well, on a happier note, set up via Bluetooth on my new Apple
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TV. Flawless. No issues whatsoever. So let's just be a lesson, children, that you never
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actually do want to have the fear of missing out that I have a chronic case of, and you
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do actually want to wait just a little bit to get something new.
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Because I had no problems with Bluetooth setup.
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I had no real problems with the remote app.
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Although it took me a minute to realize that I needed to do
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the software update in order to get it, if memory serves.
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Speaking of the software update, at 7 o'clock--
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I think this was Christmas Day, 7 o'clock in the evening
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on Christmas Day.
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I connected via Ethernet, which might have made things a lot
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easier, but that was really nice.
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Oh, that's what it was.
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It wasn't that the software update screwed me up for the
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I actually did take notes.
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I just didn't read far enough.
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It took me a while to remember that the remote app is paired
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to your home sharing account.
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And I had not yet set up my home sharing account in the
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Apple TV, even after I'd done the update and all that.
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So for the life of me, I couldn't understand why the
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remote app wouldn't see the Apple TV.
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And then I forget how I figured it out.
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But somehow or another I realized, oh, no, I need to sign into home sharing.
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And so once I did that, that worked no problem, which was really nice.
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The control receiver, or the remote in general, having a Bluetooth remote is wonderful.
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I've learned that from the Fire TV Stick.
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But it's really great having that Bluetooth remote on the Apple TV as well.
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I also really, really liked, and maybe we talked about this and I just had a brain fart
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or something, but I really liked that it gave me the option of instead of controlling volume
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on my TV via HDMI CEC or whatever magic it uses, I could program an IR remote that it
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would use, it would emit that same IR to change a different thing's volume, which is exactly
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what I needed to do because I have my receiver doing the speakers and all that.
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And so I had the remote learn my receiver's IR profile, or whatever you want to call it.
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And that worked no problem.
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And so now the volume controls the receiver, which is really awesome.
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I didn't even know that was a thing.
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I didn't like that I had no idea how much battery power the remote has.
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And at some point or another I saw some dialogue or something that said, "Oh, we'll tell you
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when the remote needs charging," which is an Apple thing to do, and that's fine.
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But it was weird that I couldn't even see it when I went digging into the remote settings
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I didn't like and I don't like that there's no native Spotify app.
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Yes, I am aware that there is such a thing as AirPlay.
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That is what I've been doing with my Apple TV for a long time now.
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But it seems to me like there's no reason why I couldn't select songs or do whatever
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in a native app.
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Or just have some sort of scenario wherein the Spotify app on my phone controls an instance
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of it on the TV.
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that's the way Spotify works, is I can control the playback from my computer from the Spotify
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app on my phone. And it's kind of like the remote app works. And it's really, really
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awesome. And I'd like to not have to have my phone be beaming all that data to the Apple
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TV when it could just do that on its own. And on a final note, surprising precisely
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no one, oh my God, you guys, Plex is so good. It's so good. It's worth the cost of admission
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just for Plex. But to that end, I have like four apps on this thing. I have Plex, I have
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Netflix, I think I put the ESPN app on there, and I think that might be it. And so I'm not
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really seeing what's so great about the App Store yet, with the exception of Plex of course.
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But there's been no other killer app that I've thought to myself, "Man, I really, really,
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really want to download whatever."
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Well, to be fair, I mean like the kind of device that it is, where this is like this
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this TV-connected box, I mean, how many apps
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do most people really use in that kind of context?
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I mean, to me, it is useful to have a large selection
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of apps, but to any one person, any one user of this device,
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it might only ever use two to four apps,
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and that might be perfectly fine enough for them.
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For you, it might be Plex and Netflix.
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For me, it might be a game and Netflix,
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and maybe, I probably won't use Plex,
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I might, you know, I will use the iTunes store stuff,
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and then maybe down the road I might get HBO Now,
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go whichever one is one that doesn't use cable.
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That, you know, one of those, like, you know,
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it's like, it's the kind of thing,
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and if everything works well, which is still debatable,
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but if everything works well, then I think that's enough.
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You know, you don't need, it isn't a phone,
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you know, you don't need to be doing
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tons of different apps all the time on your TV.
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I think most people are gonna pick like three or four,
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at most, you know?
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So wouldn't it be a good enough device
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and a valuable purchase,
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even if you never use any other apps for it
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than what you use now?
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- I think you're absolutely right.
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And you know, as you were talking,
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I was thinking to myself, well, why am I,
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I don't know, I'm not bummed out,
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but I can't think of a better way to describe it,
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but why am I a little disappointed
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that I don't have 305 apps on this thing
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that I was really excited about?
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And you know what I think a part of it is,
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is that it looks so paltry and silly
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compared to the prior-gen Apple TV, which had, like, what is it, 40 or 50 apps and new
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ones just spawning like rabbits constantly? But to be fair, you're exactly right that
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I really never used any of those. And so in the end of the day, it was really clutter.
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But because it feels like I have fewer things now, it feels worse, even though in reality
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it's actually probably a lot better. You should put some other, like, sort of staples
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on there like I think you should probably put the YouTube app on there and maybe does
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Amazon have like free video maybe Amazon video one if they have some things for free or if
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you have Amazon Prime?
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No I don't think there is an Amazon video app there that's kind of the whole point of
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that whole thing.
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I used the Siri thing recently where I I think you have to say show me I don't know it sounds
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so dumb to say show me but I said show me and then spoke a movie title and I was impressed
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by two things.
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that it actually transcribed what I was saying as I spoke it.
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Three things.
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Two, that it properly title-cased the title of the movie in real time as I spoke it.
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Wait, which proper title casing?
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Just the regular one.
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So did it capitalize prepositions and articles in the middle of the title and stuff like
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It doesn't matter.
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My son wanted to see The Maze Runner, so all those words are capped.
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I said show me the Maze Runner and the was capital, Maze was capital, and you know in real time as it spatted out
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So that was impressive and three it gave me a bunch of options for
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Where to watch it one of which was because I was if I had done it
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Let me put it this way if I had done it with the old Apple TV
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I would have been like we don't have the Maze Runner
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So let me just look to see if it's available on iTunes and either buy it or rent it based on how likely I think
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We as a household are to want to watch this again
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But instead I said show me the maze runner and I put it down there as an option and I clicked on it
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And it was available on HBO go
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So I just played it for free
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and so that's that's a pretty flawless victory for the new Apple TV over the old one because
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It took less time because it just picked up to the remote and spoken to it
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It did the right thing and it let me watch for free, you know, cuz I already pay for HBO
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It didn't have to go rent it from iTunes. So thumbs up there
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Yeah, something I haven't tried, but I'd really like to and I just didn't think about it until you said that is, you know,
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get into my Plex library through Siri from like the home screen and I believe there's APIs that allow that to happen
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But I don't have the faintest idea whether or not Plex supports it. Yeah, I had some Plex a couple run-ins with Plex
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I was trying to watch I forget I was watching trying to watch something that I that I had
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available in many different ways and my TV due to weirdness of
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misguided attempts at copy protection if I play through the DLNA
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Client on my television very often it only wants to output like stereo down to my receiver
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It won't even though it'll be fed 5.1 from my DLNA server in the basement
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That 5.1 goes into my television
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But it never gets to leave what comes out the back of it instead is like even though it's on the audio return channel
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But anyway, I fought with it for a while.
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And like bottom line is, if it goes,
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if I have my, the television itself,
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the smart TV feature do it,
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sometimes I don't get the high quality audio.
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So I'm like, well, this video has high quality 5.1 audio.
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I want to get that directly.
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But I didn't want to turn on the PlayStation,
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which also would have worked because it's noisy.
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So I said, it's time for the Apple TV to do it.
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And then I did like a search,
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like is there a simple DLNA client for Apple TV?
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And there are a bunch of them, but I said,
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you know what, let me try Plex.
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'Cause I have the Plex server set up on Synology.
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So I did, and the thing was there.
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And for whatever reason, it just wouldn't play
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off of the Synology.
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I don't know if the Synology couldn't transcode it
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'cause it was too high a bit rate
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or didn't understand the codec or something.
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But then I remembered like I have Plex all over the place.
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So I just started Plex on my wife's new iMac,
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pointed it at the same, you know,
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I had already had it set up there.
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I just mounted the Synology there.
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And my wife's iMac had no problem transcoding it
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and I played it from there.
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So Plex kind of came through for me there, like halfway.
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I mean, it was flexible enough that if it didn't work
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off of my NAS, I could just run it
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on the much more powerful Mac, and that did work.
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So, kind of thumb sideways there.
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But anyway, it let me play the video I wanted to play
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and the quality I wanted with 5.1
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without having to hear a fan, so that's good.
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- Yeah, and it's funny because I moved the now old
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and busted Apple TV from the family room to the bedroom,
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and I had on like MTV Unplugged or something like that
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this morning. I forget specifically what it was, but I was...
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- I hope it was the Alice in Chains. That's the best one.
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- No, I don't think I have that one. I'm sure whatever one it was you would judge me for,
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and we don't need to go into that. We'll save that for the after show.
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- Many of them are very good, including the seal one that you gave me that I don't think
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is available legally anywhere. - I believe that's right. And that was one
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of them that we watched. It was an MTV Unplugged morning. Maybe we can argue about that in
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the after show, since that appears to be what we do these days.
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- I mean, everyone loves the Nirvana one, and the Nirvana one is very good, but I think
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the Alice in Chains one is better.
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Yeah, I feel like I've heard it at some point, but not any time recently, so I should take
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a note to listen to that again.
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But anyway, so I was trying to--the point of the matter is, I was trying to play Plex
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from--onto the old Apple TV, which was wired via Ethernet, now is Wi-Fi, and is the way
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the crow flies, so to speak, through the house.
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like 15 to 20 feet away from my airport extreme.
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Now granted that's through like two or three walls.
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And oh my god, the new Apple TV, I don't know if it's because of Ethernet, I don't know
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if it's because I'm not doing AirPlay hop.
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I'm sure it's a combination of both, but it was so much nicer watching this stuff on the
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new Apple TV than it was air playing from the Plex app on the old Apple TV.
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Anyway, but so yeah, I'd say at least one thumb probably two thumbs up for the new Apple TV
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The play the Plex experience just is everything to me and it's wonderful. I mean, there's a couple of minor issues
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I have here and there but but overall really really like it
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Do you like the I think the Plex UI on Apple TV looks plain to me
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Like I know I'm Plex you can pick like a background for the things then they have all these
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You know background images that people have made and I remember the the Mac Plex client
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Had all these fancy backgrounds and the UI looked all different the Apple TV one
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It's kind of boring especially if you view by folder I use Plex by the way to watch harmy's do specialized editions
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My parents wanted to see the the first three Star Wars movies before going to see the seventh
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Not not the first three episode one two and three guys
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And new hope Empire and Jedi and I wanted to show him harmony. It was the same situation
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I could play it off my PlayStation, but then you'd have to hear the PlayStation fan
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so and I wanted to get all you know that the multi-channel sound and everything and
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So Plex to the rescue again, it could it could play them and it played them correctly and I didn't have to hear a fan
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But when you view by folder went into my little Star Wars folder and navigated to it
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it was kind of boring looking it was just like a list of words and
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You know a cover art off to the left
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I don't know. I I just expected Plex to be fancier like not that I demand it to be fancy. But I
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I don't know. It seemed to be not up to the standards of the other Plex clients I can remember.
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Same thing with the PlayStation 4 client, by the way, but that's the least of my concerns.
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If it just gets to the video and plays it, I'm happy. So, uh, Plex is rising in esteem in this household, let's say.
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No, I agree with you. I think that the UI is good. I would not say it's great.
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And I think it could definitely use some massaging here and there.
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However, it is so much a better experience
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than having to have some like iOS device
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sitting around air playing everything
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that even with the world's ugliest UI,
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it could still in many ways do no wrong in my book
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because oh my goodness, it's so nice having that natively
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on the Apple TV now.
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- You should share your Plex library with me.
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- I would be happy to, I should do that.
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Okay, or both of you.
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- I don't think I can share it with you
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is my mass is not exposed to the internet at all.
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So I don't think I can share with you,
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but that doesn't matter.
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I just want to get your stuff.
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- Are you running Plex on your Synology?
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- You can do that?
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- Well, yeah, you can,
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but I found it was,
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whenever I tried to transcode anything live,
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it was a disaster.
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- Well, that's what I was saying.
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I couldn't watch the,
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one of the things I wanted to watch just didn't play at all
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and I had to use the iMac,
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but Harmony Specialized Edition's played fine.
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You know, I think what it might be is if you have it formatted,
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it formatted as like, I'm gonna get this wrong, video nerds, I apologize, but if you have
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it in some Apple friendly format, let me just be vague.
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No, I don't, I do not pre-transcode anything like so. Whatever I downloaded the harmies
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as, that's what they are. I refuse to like throw them into Handbrake and reconvert them
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because then you're going double lossless, right? So if it won't play exactly as it was
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downloaded, then I find something else to play.
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Completely agree. I've lamented in the past that this is, the technology that we all have,
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as an 1813+ does not have a quick enough processor to do transcoding.
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And a lot of people, and I've complained about this in the past, have said, "Oh, we'll just
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transcode everything and make it all in whatever magical Apple format I need."
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And I completely agree, Jon.
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That's just a bunch of work.
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Whether or not you have the double lossy conversion, it's just so much work that I just don't want
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to have to do.
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Jon Streeter And I found my technology does transcode a
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whole bunch of stuff on the fly at a reasonable speed for me.
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All it needs to do is be able to keep up with real time, and it can in a lot of cases, but
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In other cases it just doesn't matter.
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That's why I threw the iMac at it, which, you know, didn't break a sweat, can transcode
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anything on the fly because it's super duper fast and makes my Mac Pro feel bad.
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And that's why I have my old platter-driven MacBook Pro sitting on constantly.
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I probably never used this thing if it wasn't for the fact that it is my Plex server.
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So yeah, so I will invite you guys after the fact to share, to see my Plex stuff and so
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you can stream all of the things that I have.
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Well, I mean, you can only stream it, you can't download it.
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I'd like to talk about another gift I got,
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- All right, so the other thing
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that I received this Christmas,
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which I know everyone is so excited about the accidental
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look at me and humble bragging podcast,
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is Erin got me a new RetinaPad Mini.
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She got me an iPad Mini 4 with Retina and cellular, and I am really into this device.
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I've always loved my iPad Minis.
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This is my fourth iPad.
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I had the original.
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I had the iPad 3, which was the first with the Retina, which is what you are still rocking,
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Is that right?
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Yeah, still.
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It's getting long in the tooth, man.
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I don't know how long I can keep it up.
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It's getting heavy in the tooth.
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Then I had the original Retina Mini and now the iPad Mini 4.
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And the last two, both the Minis have been cellular.
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In the last couple of months I've given up on my AT&T Unlimited plan and so now I can
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actually tether.
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I'm not entirely sure going cellular was the most right choice, but so far I've liked it.
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And the Apple SIM is actually pretty cool.
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I put a post on my site about some random things that I've discovered with regard
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to the Apple SIM, and so you can go check that out if that's interesting to you.
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The short, short version is it's a single SIM card that you can use with multiple carriers,
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which is really kind of fascinating.
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I don't have too much to say about the device other than, why didn't somebody tell me
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that this iPad multitasking stuff was really cool?
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Like I wish Federico had said something or something like that, because this is kind
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of exciting.
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- I love that this episode is like,
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"Casey discovers after Christmas
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"what everyone else in Apple community discovered
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"in the fall."
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- That's what I've been talking about for months.
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- Welcome to October.
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- And he saw Star Wars too.
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- Yeah, and I saw Star Wars just yesterday,
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actually, as we record.
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So anyway, I won't go on about this
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like I did about the Apple TV,
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but suffice to say, it genuinely,
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I'm not trying to be funny,
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it genuinely changes how you use the device
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when you can genuinely do more than one thing at once.
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Well, on the old Mini, I could do,
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I believe it's slide over,
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where you can just slide something in and interact with it,
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and then you have to make it go away
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because they wouldn't let you do
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a full-on two-pane multitasking.
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I could do picture-in-picture,
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which, by the way, quick aside,
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Plex on the iPad actually does support picture-in-picture,
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even though it doesn't have the same UI
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that everything else on the planet does.
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As it turns out, if you just hit the Home button
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while you're playing something,
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it will automatically kick on picture in picture, which is really awesome.
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So anyway, so I really, really have liked having multitasking on it.
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And I can't think of any specific thing that I've done that has been amazing, but just
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the ability to be able to say, "Hang out in Slack," while catching up on Twitter or what
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have you, has been so awesome and genuinely changes.
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I know I've said that word like 18 times, but it really does.
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It changes the way I think about my iPad, and it makes me feel like even my mini is
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so much more capable.
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This new mini is so much more capable than the mini that came before it for me.
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And I'm really excited to be able to dig into using this a little more, not for work stuff
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or anything like that, but just to be more, I don't know, productive or efficient maybe
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is the word I'm looking for, while even just goofing off.
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And so I'm really stoked with it, really pleased with it.
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And so far I'm excited that I got a cellular one.
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And I now understand Federico's rage over people, over apps that don't support the two-pane
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multitasking, because it is really annoying.
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Marco, were you the one who tweeted or retweeted something showing some person saying, "You
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know, guys, it doesn't take too many changes to UI window to make it into it."
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Like, they had, like, windows?
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Yeah, Steve TS did just like a little mock-up, like a working mock-up demo of multiple UI
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windows on screen at once with draggable edges and draggable titlebars.
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And this is on the iPad, and what they basically had it look like is OS X windows, but with
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really big finger-sized widgets for the little stoplight widgets.
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And it looked silly, and I'm going to say this is probably not the way you should go,
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but people are mad with power now, basically.
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Like "Split View?
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Wait a second.
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Wait a second, the CPU is capable of doing more than things it wants.
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I need Windows and I need to arrange for them.
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They're just, you know, recreating all, they're recreating my desktop on their iPads, which
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is probably not what they want.
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They're not ready for that.
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But it's, you know, I guess someone could do that.
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Maybe Apple would reject it because they're kind of like that, oh, this tries to make
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a new, you know, windowing environment or I don't know, I'm sure Apple would find some
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way to reject it because like imagine an app.
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Yeah, well, there's been a rule forever against apps that try to create their own like desktop
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type environments inside themselves to have any kind of like multiple widgets inside of
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one central app there.
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Like, and it's a very vague rule, but that's been there since the very beginning.
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It's like the one that got status board rejected, but then not because it was ridiculous to
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reject status board, but like, but definitely making actual windows because I don't even
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know how you would, what you, what would you put in those windows?
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Like, well, I think it was my, maybe if someone did like a sketching application for the iPad
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Pro where it had a bunch of pallets that were like literally just pallets, like Photoshop
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palettes, some kind of weird dockable palettes with big finger-sized things on the top of
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them. Would Apple reject that because it gives too much flexibility about where you put the
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palettes? I don't know, like, it seems like there is, there's something there where people,
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somebody is daring enough, because the ability to arrange the palettes the way you want in
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Photoshop or any other design application, that's a feature. Like, people have different
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tools that they want to use at certain times, and, I mean, it's not that the Mac versions
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of these applications are infinitely flexible, you're still kind of stuck with this set of
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palette and you can arrange them and make them skinny or wide or whatever but talk to
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any designer or watch them work.
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People have preferences about what goes where on the screen.
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Where is the layers palette?
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Where is the history palette?
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What's hidden?
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What's shown by default?
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Is it skinny or wide?
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What's docked here and there?
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Is it the full screen thing or is it the small window?
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These are just options within Photoshop.
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If there was an iPad Pro sketching application that gave similar flexibility, people would
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use that flexibility because maybe they want...
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is the thing that they always go to?
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They go to the color well frequently, they change brush sizes frequently, they don't
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have like a keyboard to hit the square brackets to make the brush size go up and down.
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So being able to sort of arrange their workspace within an application using things that I
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guess you kind of not call them windows to avoid getting rejected, but I really hope
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Apple wouldn't reject an app like that because I think that's a great idea for, and for all
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I know, because I'm not a designer, for all I know there are that perhaps that already
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do this, so if that's the case then never mind, it's already been done.
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But if not, that's definitely a direction that I think it's safe.
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It should be safe to go in that direction with design applications, for example, on
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the iPad Pro.
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And seeing this multitasking, to bring it back around, just makes me understand that
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much more why someone would really like an iPad Pro, despite the fact that I do think
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it is just comically large.
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I can see how it would be really, really useful to have all that extra screen real estate.
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So it's interesting.
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But I really, really like the new Retina iPad Mini.
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Two thumbs up for that,
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two thumbs up for the iPad multitasking.
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Really, really been digging it.
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- On the iPad Pro being comically large,
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I still, as I dwell on this,
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I think the problem is that it's not big enough.
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Not the problem, not that there's a problem with it per se,
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but like the reason it seems so large
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is because we are comparing it to like the, you know,
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the quote unquote full-size iPad.
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If it was really comically large, like as in 21 inch,
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No one would be comparing it to, like no one would think,
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oh, I'm gonna put this in my backpack.
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It would be for designers to work with at their desk.
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It's like, why is it even an iPad at that point?
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Why aren't you just, why isn't it just a Mac?
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Why, you know, well,
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'cause you draw on the screen with a pen
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and you don't do that with a Mac.
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And it's not indirect like a Cintiq
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where you got the Mac over here.
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You know, like I still feel like it's the direction
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we're going in, albeit at this point,
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we're going there at a snail's pace
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'cause it took this long to get us a stylus
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and a slightly larger iPad.
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But I think that will solve the problem of,
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"Whoa, look at the size of this giant iPad!"
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When it, you stop making that comparison
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at a certain point.
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When it becomes a thing that sits on your desk,
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I don't mean that you have to plug it in,
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although you could plug it in.
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But I mean, I think there have been people
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who have made these very large tablet size things
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like 21 inches or whatever,
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and they just haven't caught on.
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I just don't think the software is there for it yet.
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But in the same way that I feel like
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the iPad Pro features will go downscale,
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at some point you can make the iPad Pro even bigger.
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Like, why not?
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If it becomes a tool for designers,
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who wants to design things on something
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as puny as an iPad Pro?
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Like, why wouldn't you want something bigger?
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I think you would, naturally, eventually.
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Well, why did they stop making the 17-inch MacBook Pro?
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I think that is kind of like--
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because the laptop's role is to be portable, right?
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And I don't think the iPad's role is necessarily
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to be portable, especially for design things,
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because they just want to draw on the screen, right?
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I think Cintiqs are bigger than that size.
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- Well, I think the reason they killed the 17 inch
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MacBook Pro is probably because they just weren't selling
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enough of them to make it worth continuing to sell.
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So a larger iPad than the Pro might have that same problem.
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They might, you know, there is a maximum size
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above which it is just too specialized
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and not enough people will buy it
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to make it worth Apple making it.
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And for MacBooks, that appears to be 15 inches.
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So what is it for iPads?
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It might be the iPad Pro size,
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that might be bigger, who knows?
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- I don't buy into that because I think the generation
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that's throwing mice around the room
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wants something they're gonna touch.
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Like that's why I keep saying the iPad
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is the future of computing.
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It's not gonna be too specialized.
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What's gonna be too specialized
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is the PCs that you can't touch.
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So Apple is eventually,
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for those kids who are throwing those mice
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around the computer lab who are in kindergarten now,
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when they are 30 years old,
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I think they're gonna want a really big touchscreen
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somewhere in their house to do the type of stuff
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they can't do on their phones, like for sitting down.
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Like in the same way that we have an iMac
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or our laptops or maybe they'll just stick with laptops.
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I don't know.
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Like the 17 inch laptop, it's an old form factor
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and it's meant to be portable
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and a non-portable laptop is called desktop
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and we already have that.
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Like we have a massive 5K iMac.
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Like I don't, one fun thing to think about is
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what is the upper size limit on desktop computer screens?
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27 inches that like we went up to 30,
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is that like the limit?
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Or at a certain point it becomes you can't find
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like a desk space big enough.
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it starts blocking your view out of your home.
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And like, it's just, it's just, it's just too darn big.
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I have a friend who uses a television,
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like people who have a vision problems, you know,
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not that it's low resolution, but it's just massive, right?
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I guess, you know, maybe VR have sets come
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and make all this a moot point.
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But anyway, thinking about the sizes screens can be
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in the future, I think it's,
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there's lots of interesting possibilities.
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And I think a lot of our view today is colored by
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what we're comparing it to or where we slot it.
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You know, that's all just getting back to Casey's thing,
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it's comically large.
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And like in some respects it is.
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It's like the world's biggest iPhone
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or it's a comically large iPad.
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But in other respects,
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it's a comically small laptop screen
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detached from a keyboard.
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It's a comically small iMac that you can touch, right?
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I don't know.
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Anyway, that was an aside.
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All right, so John, you had come up with a topic or theme perhaps for the remainder of
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today's episode.
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Would you like to introduce that and kind of kick us off?
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The last episode of 2015, that means you have a sort of a year-end thing.
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You could do a year in review.
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You could do predictions for next year.
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What I wanted to do was something kind of in between, which is a 2016 wish list with
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a set of rules.
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Of course, there are rules.
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So the first rule is that these are not predictions.
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So that gets us entirely out of the game
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of trying to predict what is actually going to happen
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in 2016, because that's fun to do sometimes.
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And it's easy to tell whether you're right
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for the most part, but I don't know,
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like I'm less interested in predicting what will happen
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than in talking about what I would like to happen.
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And for stuff that you would like to happen,
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you can't pick like blue sky stuff where it's like,
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if I could have a pony and a unicorn,
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this is what I would want.
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So the rules are not predictions and pick things
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that are plausible and feasible
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and that you wanna see in 2016.
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And I guess we'll have to just judge
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whether the thing you're asking for is a fantasy
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that's never gonna happen
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and has to be straightened from the list.
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But those are the ground rules.
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And I hope you guys did some semblance of homework.
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- I have a text file in front of me.
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- That sounds serious.
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- Does it have more than one thing in it?
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- It has 36 lines with text on them.
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- Well, including white space.
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- All right, and this is, it's not even like top four,
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they don't even need to be ordered.
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This is an unordered list, UL.
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- So you might actually do okay with this, Marco.
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- Well, it was very hard for me to do this
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in a way that wasn't just predictions.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Like, keeping it to plausible things was fairly easy,
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but making it not just a list of what I think will happen,
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or what I think is very likely to happen, that is harder,
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and I've definitely had a harder time with that.
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So my list is a little bit predictive.
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And well, to getting away from predictions,
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the reason I don't wanna do predictions
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is because that allows cynicism in the door.
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Because you could say, these dummies are gonna do this
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even though they shouldn't.
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And this is more just like, what do you want to happen?
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Like what, if you could make certain things happen,
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and you know, non-magical things,
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what do you wanna see in 2016?
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And it can be anything tech, I guess.
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I mean, we're probably all thinking of Apple stuff,
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but realize that it can be anything tech related.
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- And honestly, I mean, my list is actually pretty optimistic
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or like it isn't a pessimistic or cynical list
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because, you know, look, and my list is very,
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very Apple focused, I just wasn't really thinking
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of other stuff because frankly,
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the rest of the tech industry is kind of boring
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most of the time, to be honest.
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But, you know, for me, the Apple side of it,
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I am optimistic simply because I think Apple
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in 2015 and 2014 really did a lot of 1.0s.
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Like a lot of things are either brand new product lines
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or new product sub-lines like the iPad Pro,
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or new services like Apple Music and Photo Cloud stuff.
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There's a lot of restarts and 1.0s recently,
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in this past year.
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And so I'm really hoping that 2016 brings
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a lot of 1.1s and 2.0s, you know?
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Just like a lot of revision, a lot of maybe maturing
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of these lines and of these various new products.
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you know, just kind of a slow down in brand new cutting edge launches, because Apple's
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cutting edge launches have been all over the map in terms of quality and usefulness and
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everything. And so to have some time where that can be kind of calmed down and matured
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and stabilized and developed further rather than just more and more 1.0s of everything
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would be very welcome. And I think that's what will happen, and I hope that's what
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will happen. So that is my main theme of my wishes is just stop at the 1.0s for a little
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while and just take all these 1.0s forward to their next steps in their growth.
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There was a really good, well I didn't finish it, I only had time to read about the first
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half, but I think it was Nielle Patel wrote something on The Verge yesterday, I believe
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it was. It's entitled "2015 Apple's Year in Beta." And it very much echoes what you just
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said, that basically there's been a lot of half-cooked stuff that's been released in
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this year, and that's really kind of unfortunate. And I didn't get to the portion which actually
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sounds perhaps even more interesting to me, which is "New platform ideas in search of
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sticky user behavior." So for example, 3D Touch, which I find I'm using more and more
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over time, but I did not have the instant, like, "Oh my god, I'm using this always"
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experience that I was kind of expecting to, actually. So we'll link this in the show notes,
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but it was a little on the negative side, but I think it was pretty fair, all told.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, at this point in Apple's evolution, they are really throwing a lot
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more spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks, and whether that used to happen more in private
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and is now more public, or whether, as I said
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in a recent show, I think there's just been a lot
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of low-hanging fruit that has all been picked,
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and now in order to find the next big thing
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or the next success in the business, it's harder.
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And the successes are getting smaller, relatively speaking,
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and all the low-hanging fruit has already been picked
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in a lot of these industries, so it's just getting harder
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to find what's next and to find success.
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And so we are seeing things that come out that are kind of like, "Eh, really?"
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Or things that you're not really sure will work, and many of them don't, and many of
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And it's happening more in public now with Apple than it used to, I think.
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Or maybe we're just remembering wrong, I don't know.
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But it does seem like we are seeing a lot more things come out of Apple that are not
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clear wins from day one.
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Obviously you can look back to the past and you can say, "Well, it was never perfect."
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And that's true.
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But I think if you look at the iPhone 1.0,
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or even the early iPods, and many of their earlier
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1.0 releases versus today's 1.0 releases,
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I think the number of asterisks and downsides in the past
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was probably lower than it is today.
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And in part that's because they are a bigger company.
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I do think it has to do in part
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with Steve not being there anymore.
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And I think in part it is just because
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the products now are more complicated.
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as I just said, like, it's more challenging now to find new territory that will be a success.
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Yeah, from this piece that I was talking about, this is Neil A. Patel, and that's really the issue.
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We're not used to Apple being just fine. We're used to Apple being wildly better than the
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competition or sometimes much worse, but always ahead of the curve on some significant axis. But
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what we got in 2015 was an Apple that released more products than ever, all of which felt
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incomplete in extremely meaningful ways, ways that meant that their products were just fine
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and often just the same as everyone else's.
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- Yeah, I don't know if I buy the premise,
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because again, long memory,
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but one thing when I think of the problem,
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like the underlying thing,
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I keep coming back to my hobby horse,
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which is I don't know,
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like in a world where products increasingly
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have a backend service component,
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that works against Apple,
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because I don't know if they can make those things like,
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They're 1.0 their buggy or whatever like I just need one more year to work out the kinks when it was just software and hardware
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That shipped to customers that was true. They could work out the kinks. They'd make the hardware better
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But when it's server component things like I don't I don't see a lot of like there's some progress there
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But it's really slow and I that's why I don't have the confidence to like oh given
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Given a year or two like contact syncing will be a solved problem. You know how long Apple's been working on contacts
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I don't people don't have many contacts. I don't have many contacts to get like
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hundred or so couple hundred contacts, and I just want them to be the same everywhere and to be in sync and
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This should be a solved problem
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But it isn't and it like is it is it because Apple hasn't had time to work on contact syncing
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No, like it's just I feel like there is a fundamental
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Incapability of the organization to get past some threshold of quality and as more and more things they make have that component
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I worry that there's like a ceiling on how good those things are gonna be how good can Apple music be if there's necessarily a server
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component how good can Apple TV be if there's no you know I
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Don't know maybe maybe that's my imagination, but certainly it's true that more and more products
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Even if you just think of the watch where the server is kind of the phone more and more products
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Rely on something that is not inside the physical device to to do like their main job not as a frill or something right
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So I don't know if like, I don't know, iCloud is better than .Mac and MobileMe and all that
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other stuff and things have improved and they are going in the right direction.
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But boy, it feels like slow going and as that slowly evolves, the number of new products
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and new platforms for that matter that they introduced that rely on server infrastructure
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things to be reliable and fast and always available is outpacing the quality of their
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implementation of those things.
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So I don't want to be too pessimistic.
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I feel like it is a positive trend, but they are, Apple in this past year, if I had to
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characterize it, it would be a year in which they, a year or two in which they introduced
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a lot of new platforms and every new platform was kind of crappy in the beginning.
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And so if you introduced a whole bunch of new platforms, you're going to have a whole
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year or two of kind of crappy.
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you gotta give them time to get their feet underneath them.
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And every platform goes through cycles.
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Like the Mac has been a shaky platform,
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then solid, then shaky, then solid, then shaky, then solid,
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then totally in crisis, then really crappy
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for a whole bunch of years, that's the dawn of OS X,
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and then solid again, then shaky again.
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Like these things go in cycles.
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So I hope we'll be on an upswing with, you know,
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I don't know, are we currently in an upswing with iOS
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or a downswing?
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I can't really tell.
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I think we're kind of plateauing with it.
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Like, do you feel like iOS is in a downswing
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in terms of the quality as compared to like the golden age
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of what is that, iOS 4 maybe?
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- No, honestly, I think iOS is great.
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iOS on the iPhone I think is fantastic.
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iOS, even on the iPad, it is in many ways
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still pretty half-assed on the iPad
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like as its own thing versus the iPhone
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like versus just being a blown up phone OS.
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It still needs a lot of work to really
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stand on its own in the iPad.
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But iOS in general and iOS on the iPhone itself,
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I think the current version, which is 9, is very solid.
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I'm very happy with 9.
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- So like performance, UI, reliability, APIs,
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like it all just seems like is this a new,
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a good period for iOS where like the UI in 7
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has kind of had most of the kinks worked out of it, you feel?
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- Yeah, for the most part.
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I mean like, nothing's perfect,
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but I think iOS is pretty solid now.
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Design wise, obviously there's a lot that can use improvement with the iOS 7 design
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language and some of it I just think will not be improved.
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Some of it would require changing that design language in ways that I don't think the current
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software designers in power at Apple would ever allow.
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So I don't think it's going to happen.
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But overall, I think iOS and especially iOS on the iPhone is solid.
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There are some things that are weird.
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As you mentioned, anything that touches a cloud service
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can be weird.
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I don't know how many people out there with iPhones
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are very frequently asked to go reenter
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their iCloud password and settings.
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- Periodically asked.
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It's like rain, it's any dark sky app
00:47:17
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for when am I going to be asked for my iCloud password.
00:47:20
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Today you're gonna be asked 17 times,
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then you will not be asked again for three weeks.
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Why, I don't know.
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- In my case, I very frequently will wake up to a phone
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that I need to re-enter my passcode on,
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that hasn't rebooted, but it just says Touch ID
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'cause it's been more than 48 hours,
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and it's been like seven hours.
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And so, you know, there's little stuff like that,
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but in general, using the phone, the OS,
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in general, I would say both iOS and Mac OS X
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in their current versions of iOS 9 and El Capitan,
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I think both are pretty solid, pretty good releases.
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I would say that the Apple TV needs a lot of work.
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The actual, like, the OS level, like the core, you know, kernel and everything seem fine.
00:48:11
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The UI on the Apple TV, I think, needs a lot of work.
00:48:15
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It is very much a UI designed to look good in screenshots and ads, and very much not
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a UI designed to use well at all.
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And the only thing you need to do to see this is buy a TV show on iTunes.
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It's so bad.
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By a TV season on iTunes.
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It is so clearly not designed by anybody who ever actually has done this or needs to do
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It was designed to look good on the screenshot once.
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And it does seem like the print marketing group or whoever took over the software UI
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design, I think the new Apple TV is an example of how that can go pretty badly wrong against
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I hope they see that and work on that
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because it is pretty rough right now
00:49:00
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in a few areas like that that are pretty common.
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And to the point where this Christmas,
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usually we give Apple TVs to our relatives here and there,
00:49:09
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and this Christmas we didn't give one to anybody
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because we don't want to support it.
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It's not in a good spot.
00:49:17
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- It's kind of ironic you blame that
00:49:18
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on the print design mentality,
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when really what they need is what print design morphed into
00:49:23
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which is web design.
00:49:24
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is when print warmed up to web design,
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they brought on the information architecture people
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to explain to them,
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it's not so much what your screens look like,
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it's what screens are and how they connect to each other
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and how the people get a sense of place about it
00:49:38
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and how many screens, you know,
00:49:39
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like plain old wireframe information architecture
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came in to combine with the print people to say,
00:49:44
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when you do web design, it's not a bunch of pages.
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You have to actually design the information flow
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and how it's connected and how it's organized
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in a way that makes sense to people
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allows them to get where they want to go in a reasonable fashion and not feel lost and
00:49:55
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all that other stuff. Whereas, yeah, I feel about the Apple TV, where a lot of the screens
00:50:01
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look really good, but they're not connected to each other in a sensible way and there
00:50:06
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seem to be too many of them. And a lot of time, I feel like I'm going through too many
00:50:11
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screens or I lose track of where I am. So that's just plain old, straight up O'Reilly
00:50:16
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polar bear book business.
00:50:19
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Yeah, so that is one thing on my wish list.
00:50:21
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I really hope that the Apple TV gets just some UI tweaks
00:50:26
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to make it more usable, 'cause right now it is so
00:50:31
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poorly usable in so many little areas like that,
00:50:34
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and it seems like the fix is not difficult.
00:50:37
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It just takes some rethinking of certain screen layouts.
00:50:39
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And so I hope they do that.
00:50:42
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- So is that one item, maybe let Marco go first,
00:50:44
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is that counted as one item?
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Is he saying that he thinks what he wants to see is the Apple TV getting some reasonable
00:50:55
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improvements because it's a new platform and there's a lot of obvious things they can do?
00:50:58
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Yeah, and also, while I'm talking about the Apple TV, I would also say this has a brand
00:51:04
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new app store.
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The implementation of the store itself is pretty bad, and I would love to see that improved
00:51:12
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in the area of apps for the Apple TV,
00:51:15
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you know, it's still very early.
00:51:16
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There are very few apps available for it.
00:51:19
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I would love to see, you know,
00:51:20
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whenever a new platform comes out,
00:51:22
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you have people, like on the Apple TV,
00:51:24
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I know Guy English has talked a lot about this
00:51:26
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on his podcast and blog,
00:51:28
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like you kinda wanna see like,
00:51:30
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not just porting iPhone apps to it,
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but we wanna see like what new kinds of apps
00:51:36
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does this make possible that we haven't thought of yet?
00:51:39
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And on the Apple TV, we haven't seen that yet.
00:51:41
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I'm curious to know if during 2016 we will see
00:51:45
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some new kind of app take off on the Apple TV
00:51:49
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that wouldn't work just as well or better on a phone.
00:51:51
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Like something that really takes advantage
00:51:53
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of it being a TV app.
00:51:54
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You know, so I would love to see that
00:51:56
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come from the third-party community.
00:51:58
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And I hope it does.
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I really do hope it does.
00:52:01
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And I also hope that the Apple TV becomes
00:52:03
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a first-class game platform to release on for iOS games.
00:52:07
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- I'm gonna hit the pie in the sky buzzer on that one.
00:52:11
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No, I know, I know. Obviously I'm not expecting console games to be launched to it, but I
00:52:18
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think games that are launching on iOS or that are having success on iOS, I hope that they
00:52:24
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get ported quickly to the Apple TV or launch simultaneously would be probably the pie in
00:52:28
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the sky goal for now. But it would be nice to see it get more gaming status because it
00:52:33
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is really fun to play good games on the Apple TV. But that I think, you know, if this was
00:52:40
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as a predictions episode, I would honestly predict
00:52:43
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neither of those things would happen.
00:52:44
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Neither it being a first party thing for games,
00:52:47
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nor us seeing some really amazing apps for it.
00:52:48
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I would actually say neither of those were likely to happen,
00:52:51
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but they're both plausible, and they're both things
00:52:54
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that I wish would happen.
00:52:56
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- So how are we summarizing the 93 points you just made?
00:52:59
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- Apple TV, Cullen, get better.
00:53:01
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- Yeah, there you go.
00:53:03
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He had some, definitely some plausible things
00:53:05
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that could be done to Apple TV.
00:53:06
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I think he drifted off into unicorns in the game.
00:53:09
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or you got a PS4 now, you don't have to worry about that.
00:53:11
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- Oh goodness, all right.
00:53:13
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- All right, Casey, your turn.
00:53:14
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- So I have a handful, and what do I wanna use first?
00:53:19
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Okay, I will use App Store improvements.
00:53:22
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App Store, colon, get better.
00:53:24
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I think that, and it's easy for me
00:53:28
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to make these sorts of wishes and hopes and dreams
00:53:33
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and decisions from the position of someone who really,
00:53:37
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this doesn't affect me,
00:53:38
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But for those friends that I have, like Marco, like Underscore, and so many others that try
00:53:43
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to make a living out of the App Store, I would really love to see things get better for independent
00:53:52
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And I'm not really clear how.
00:53:53
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I mean, a lot of the standard answers like trials and things like that, that may or may
00:53:58
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not improve things.
00:53:59
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But whatever the answer is, especially what with the shakeup that we discussed either
00:54:04
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the last week or the week before,
00:54:06
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I'd really like to see, and I think it's plausible,
00:54:08
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to see the App Store get better,
00:54:11
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actually both for independent developers,
00:54:13
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which is how I was originally coming at this,
00:54:14
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but also for users, you know, see search get better,
00:54:17
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to see things like home sharing I've never tried
00:54:20
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because I'm petrified of trying it
00:54:22
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'cause I've heard it's terrible.
00:54:24
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All of that, can we just make that better, please?
00:54:27
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- That's a pretty vague item.
00:54:28
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I mean, it is plausible, definitely plausible.
00:54:30
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Like if you'd picked one thing, for example,
00:54:32
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say you'd picked upgrade pricing.
00:54:33
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100% plausible that it's merely a policy change.
00:54:36
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It could happen, you could have said,
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but instead you just kind of punted and said,
00:54:39
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I want something better to happen for the App Store,
00:54:41
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but you're not willing to say what that is.
00:54:43
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I can see that it's definitely a lot of plausible things.
00:54:45
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- Yeah, and I think the thing of it is,
00:54:47
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is that I'm not so convinced that all the things
00:54:50
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everyone's been whining about are the right answer.
00:54:53
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They may be, you know, upgrade pricing might help a lot.
00:54:57
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Trials might help a lot,
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but I'm not sure those are the silver bullets
00:55:01
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everyone says they are.
00:55:02
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And I haven't been able to come up with the silver bullet.
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And I'm pretty sure if I could,
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I would be much better compensated than I am,
00:55:10
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and I would probably be working at Apple.
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But whatever the answer may be,
00:55:14
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there's gotta be something out there.
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There's gotta be a way to make things better.
00:55:17
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Maybe it's more transparency.
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Okay, I'll go with that.
00:55:20
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Maybe it's just a little bit more transparency.
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Now you might have to hit the pie in the sky buzzer, but.
00:55:25
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- No, I think it's an easy one.
00:55:26
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To say that when app developers have their application
00:55:31
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review and they have just like a status line with a canned message that tells them what phase it's in
00:55:36
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or when it gets rejected like the fact that they can't immediately connect with someone to have a
00:55:44
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humane discussion about the issues at hand like that just it's like there's some misunderstanding
00:55:49
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that could be cleared up with a five-minute conversation with a person who is empowered
00:55:52
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to do something and that conversation can never happen you just you can send email you can wait
00:55:57
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for a response sometimes the response makes it clear that they didn't understand what you said
00:56:00
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and just like, I don't know if you call it transparency
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or like communication or like maybe it's a scaling problem
00:56:06
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where they just can't have individual people
00:56:07
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talk to individual developers about their problems
00:56:10
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with their applications.
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And a lot of it just has to be canned responses.
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But yeah, I think that could definitely improve
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even if you just threw manpower at it
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or woman power or human power,
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but just to just say hire more people to,
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you know, so there is someone, always someone available,
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a knowledgeable person available
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to discuss an app rejection to explain what the deal is, what needs to be done to fix it,
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if there's a misunderstanding going on. You know, because one of the ones I've seen a couple times
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is someone will submit an application and it'll get rejected for reading or writing files from
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a forbidden location, but the code that is reading or writing the forbidden files is from inside an
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Apple framework. It's not clear, like, did I use the framework wrong? Did I misconfigure it and
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and call an API on some kind of misconfigured object,
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and that's why it wrote in a bad place?
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Or is it a bug in Apple's own code
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where no matter how you use this API,
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it has the potential to write files
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in a forbidden place or whatever?
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And so developers who get that message,
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get that rejection, they're like, what do I do now?
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Can I not use that framework?
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'Cause it's like, as far as they're concerned,
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it's not their code that's doing it.
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And all they need is someone, whoever did this rejection,
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if Apple even knows, to say, oh yeah, no,
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I know it's our code doing it,
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but it's because you're using your API in the wrong way.
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You're using it like this, that, and that,
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and it causes it to write files here.
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If you use it in this other way, it won't do that.
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Or have someone have the conversation and go,
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"Oh, you're right, you're not doing anything wrong.
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That's just a bug in our framework."
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And those conversations either seem to happen
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way too slowly or not happen at all,
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and a lot of developers get frustrated
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by a rejection that's not actionable.
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Like they don't know what to do.
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They just throw up their hands and say,
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"Well, what am I supposed to do about that?
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Am I not supposed to use that framework?
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Am I doing something wrong?"
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In some respects, like, well, you know,
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it's not Apple's job to write your application for you,
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but I don't know, I've seen enough of those cases
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that I think a better, a more human connection
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with the faceless machine that is App Review
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could benefit all developers.
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- Yeah, I mean, to me, like, my 2016 wish
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in regards to App Store improvement is much more broad
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and vague because, honestly, I don't expect
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a lot of these things that you've mentioned to happen.
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My wish is simply show us a sign that things might be changing for the better because we
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got the fill taking over thing last week.
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Show us a sign of movement in the right direction in actual App Store status or behavior or
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For years, the attitude of the App Store shown by both their communication and by their action
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or rather inaction for the most part, the attitude has been really nothing here needs
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to be changed, everything is fine. And the system we have now is good and works well.
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In reality the system they have now is okay and works okay, but I would not say that there's
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no room for improvement, whereas the attitude from them keeps being, by their own actions,
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keeps being we don't need to improve this, because they really just haven't. So I would
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would like to see just some sign that they believe, that they agree inside, that they
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believe that there are things that could use significant improvement and that they are
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working on them. Because we really have seen nothing of that sort so far.
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You just want to like issue an apology or make like a statement of purpose or make a
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mission statement to say, "We agree things are wrong and we will fix them somehow vaguely."
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No, I mean I would like to see action, but it doesn't have to be a big action yet. Just
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So like, some kind of action that shows that they are changing things in the App Store,
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that they are not satisfied with the App Store.
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Because that's the thing, they appear so incredibly satisfied with it.
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And just so little has changed about it in seven years or whatever.
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Like I want to see something that indicates that Apple truly believes this is not good
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- Casey said that he didn't know, you know, like he didn't have any specific thing.
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Because maybe trials are in it, maybe upgrade pricing isn't in it.
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wasn't sure exactly what it was. Well, Apple's not sure about those same things. They're not sure
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that because if they were sure that upgrades would fix it, they would do it. If they're sure
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that trials would make things better, they would do it. So obviously they also agree with UKC that
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they're not quite sure what to do and so they're doing nothing. And like it's the same thing with
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Marco's request here. If you don't have a specific thing, like I know you want something to happen,
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but someone inside Apple would have to pick which thing it is and it's potentially dangerous because
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say you're wrong and trials makes the app store worse instead of better. I mean
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I guess that would kind of fulfill Marco's thing because at least it would be
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showing well we tried something at least instead of just saying oh we're you know
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like I think the impression you're getting Marco is like because if they
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don't do anything we just assume well I guess they must think it's fine because
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they never do anything and it doesn't change. Yes. And so it's like yeah and so
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them doing something even if it was the wrong thing would at least show that
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they have some internal dissatisfaction. It could be argued that the management
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reshuffle counts as something, even though it is not a change yet that affects developers.
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It does at least show that they think there is something amiss somewhere inside Apple's
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organization. Whether they think the thing that's amiss is the App Store or some other thing that
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was affected by the shuffle, we don't know. But I don't know. I can let that one slide by,
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because it is definitely plausible that they will do something, something vague that we will not
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specify. Hey, I had to skirt the system somehow just for you. All right, what's your first?
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Why you guys are getting big vague and big picture mines are just so super specific and so easy
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I want a new Mac Pro
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So does Marco so does everybody everyone's in who doesn't want a new Pro a Mac Pro in every pot
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It's a new Mac Pro with you know
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Thunderbolt 3 and and my sub item is a new 5k
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External display to drive off the thing like we all know we want it
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We know it has to be coming, just make a new Mac Pro.
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It is entirely plausible, 100% plausible,
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and it should come in 2016, and when it comes,
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I'll be excited 'cause I like that,
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and I might even buy one.
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- Yeah, I have that also on my list, of course,
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under a heading of just complete the Retina transition.
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And so what this would have to include
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is a desktop standalone 5K display,
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and the ability for the Mac Pro
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and the laptops to drive it.
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And maybe the Mac Mini as well, that would be nice.
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I'm not expecting much on that front
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because the Mac Mini is so rarely updated,
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but that would be nice.
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- People hook up screens to Mac Minis?
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- That aren't TVs, right?
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Yeah, so, yeah, I totally, and this is very plausible
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because this is going to be the year of Skylake.
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And we got like little trickles of Skylake so far.
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2016 should be, if Intel has everything together,
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which is not a given, but if they have everything together,
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this should be the year of Skylake everywhere.
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So this should be the laptops, finally all of them,
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all the pros going to Skylake,
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the MacBook One going to Skylake
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and getting its USB-C port upgraded
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to also have Thunderbolt coming out of it.
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The MacBook Pro Retina line, I expect to be,
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not only upgraded to Skylake, but to also get a redesign.
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We've heard rumors here and there that it will,
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and I think the timing is right
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because the current design came out in 2012,
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and Skylake gives them an excuse
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to make the battery smaller. So I expect there to be a MacBook Pro Skylake refresh. This
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is, sorry, getting into predictions, but this is all just part of it. You know, like, I
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want this to be finally completing the retina transition in the Mac lineup because it has
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been partially complete literally since 2012. And we are so close, we're so close, and
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we're just not quite there yet until we can get Skylake that can drive, Skylake chipsets
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with Thunderbolt 3 that can drive external 5K displays over a single cable.
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And that is so close.
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We are so close to that.
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Do you want to see them get rid of the MacBook Air?
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So here's what I think will happen on that front.
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Not what you think will happen.
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Do you want them to get rid of it?
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Would you be happy if you could tell Apple what to do, essentially?
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Because discontinuing the MacBook Air is entirely feasible.
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So if you were in charge of Apple, you'd say, "You know what?
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In 2016, stop making the MacBook Air."
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First of all, I think that would be too soon.
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I would expect the MacBook Air to get updates from now on on a similar schedule to when
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the Mac Mini gets updates. I would expect that they wouldn't get rid of the Air without
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compelling things taking its place. So obviously on the low end you have the MacBook One. But
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the MacBook One really does not replace the Air in a number of ways because it is so much
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slower and so much more limited and has so many more compromises for that thinness than
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even the Air does. I do think though that when they redesign the Skylake MacBook Pros,
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the Retina MacBook Pro, I do think the newly thinner, lighter 13" Retina MacBook Pro will
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be so close to the 13" MacBook Air that I think it will make the MacBook Air far less
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relevant. So then on the low end you have the MacBook One eating into the 11" and then
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and then you have the new thinner 13-inch MacBook Pro
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eating into the 13-inch Air.
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And then I think the Air line is pretty much obviated
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at that point.
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That doesn't mean Apple will stop selling it
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because today's Apple does not stop selling anything ever.
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But I do think that both ends will then be
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adequately attacked and will be clearly replaced
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for most Air buyers at that point.
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- So Marco, you had said that you want a new Mac Pro
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and God help me for encouraging you to talk about this more,
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but why, what would this phantom new Mac Pro do for you
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that your, and I don't mean this sarcastically,
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beloved 5K iMac doesn't do?
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- For the most part, I'm not sure I would get
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the next generation Mac Pro, I might get the one after that.
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Ultimately, what I want out of my computer
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that the current iMac is not satisfying me with
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is just even more sheer CPU performance.
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Like that, I always want more CPU performance
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than what I have.
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And the way Intel's moving these days,
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new CPU performance does not come easily.
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It does not come quickly.
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Skylake is a substantial boost, not like twice as fast,
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but it's faster by a noticeable amount,
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and I would get way more cores.
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I would probably go eight core if I got a Mac Pro,
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maybe even 12, but that would probably be insanely priced
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so I would probably go with eight.
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As time goes on, my CPU needs just are increasing.
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You know, and now I'm taking way more pictures,
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and now that I have this awesome new camera,
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processing those pictures is insane.
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I'm shooting 4K video now with my awesome iPhone camera,
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and my fancy camera, but even more with the iPhone.
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You know, so I'm dealing with bigger video files,
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dealing with bigger photos.
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As I'm compiling more code,
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and I'll be transitioning to Swift fairly soon,
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all the CPU needs of everything keep going up
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for compilation and everything.
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So ultimately I push my computer to the limit
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fairly often in my work,
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and not for massively long sustained periods
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for the most part, but for brief periods of
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I just need all the horsepower I can get
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for the next two minutes kind of thing.
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And I do that kind of thing frequently.
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So I really would like more CPU power.
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And that is mainly what I'd be looking for.
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In all other ways, I'm extremely happy with the Time Act.
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And even CPU power-wise,
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versus the lineup that's available today,
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it is at the top for single-threaded.
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I guess the newer Broadwell-based one
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probably beats it by a few percentage points,
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but it is relative to the entire Mac lineup,
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it is one of the top couple or top three
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that have ever existed in single-threaded performance.
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And even in multi-core, it is pretty far up the list
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until you get into the very high-core count Mac pros.
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So it is really close to as good as you can get already.
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That's why I'm saying I would probably wait
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a generation of Mac Pro, but I don't know,
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if the generation's keeping two or three years long,
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that might change.
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So the Mac Pro has a timing issue,
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because the Xeons that it would use,
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that would go in an update,
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the Broadwell Xeons are coming out next week,
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but that chipset will not support Thunderbolt 3.
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So that chipset most likely won't be able to drive
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a theoretical 5K Apple display.
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But the Skylake Xeons are coming out,
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quote, later this year.
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that would be a way better chip to use
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in a Mac Pro update in theory
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because then you could rev the whole thing
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with Thunderbolt 3, USB-C ports,
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and the ability to drive a new 5K monitor.
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So I hope that's what they do.
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I don't know if that's what they'll do,
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but I hope they will wait for Skylake-E chips
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and give us a nice little update.
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And if they do, that would be a really interesting option
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for me to consider, but I would probably
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still wanna wait a generation
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just to get a bigger boost over what I have now.
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- You're talking like me now,
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oh I don't wanna buy this one, I wanna buy the next one.
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But the difference is historically
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is that you do buy this one, and also the next one.
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- That's usually the case, yeah.
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Well once I learned how easy it is to resell Macs,
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it makes it a lot easier, 'cause then it becomes like,
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well, is it worth spending like, you know,
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a thousand dollars to use this computer for 18 months?
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And it's like sometimes the answer is yes.
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You know, if you can get like the best computer
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in the world for what you do every single day,
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buy it when it comes out and then sell it a year later
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for 500 to $1,000 less than what you paid,
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that's not that bad.
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That's pretty good, actually.
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- If someone wants to make a cottage business,
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you could be the only client
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and they could just rent you Macs
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like they rent you headphones and cameras.
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- Right, yeah.
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- So, I mean, I guess that's fine and makes sense and all.
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I'm surprised that you really are CPU-bound that often,
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'cause about the only time I'm CPU-bound
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is when I'm compressing video files
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that I've ripped from a Blu-ray or something like that.
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It's so rare that I'm CPU-bound on anything else that I do.
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I don't know.
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- All right, so whose turn is it now?
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Marco's, I believe?
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- I mean, it basically just,
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I stole John's Mac Pro topic.
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- Well, you had it on your list too.
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It was a duplicate.
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- Yeah, and it really is, you know, for me,
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it really is part of this kind of,
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this general thing of like,
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I hope it's gonna be the year of Skylake everywhere,
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and also finally finish the retina transition on Mac.
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Finally cover the whole product line with retina.
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- No, I know how Tiff feels.
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Marco cannot follow instructions.
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- All's about what he predicts and what he--
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- No, that's a wish.
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'Cause that is not guaranteed.
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You know, like this 5K display might not actually come out.
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- Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
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- You know, like a new Mac Pro using Skylake
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might not come out.
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Or it might come out using Broadwell
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and not have Thunderbolt 3 for the next three years.
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We have no idea.
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- Yeah, like, my, actually, my items are two things.
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Like, I want a new Mac Pro,
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even if it's just the Broadwell one,
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and the sub-item is I want a new 5K display.
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And so if I get one of those, I get a new Mac Pro,
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yeah, I'm glad, because here's why I'd want a new Mac Pro.
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Even though it doesn't drive the 5K display,
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even though I've said that I'm not gonna buy it
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until it does, a new Mac Pro would signal
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that the Mac Pro is not on the Mac Mini update cycle.
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You know what I mean?
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- Right, right.
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- That it is a line of computers that they consider updating
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on something approaching a reasonable schedule
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based on the availability of the chips
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that everyone thinks they should put in.
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Unlike the Mini, which is like,
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eh, I'll skip a year or two, whatever.
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And then someone wakes up and goes,
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oh, Mac Mini, what?
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All right, here's a new one.
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And then goes back to sleep again.
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I would like to see some sort of solid story, I guess, around Swift on the server.
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Something that's considered, that's deliberate, that's well thought out.
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Some sort of nice Swift on the server package setup, framework, whatever adjective you'd
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like to use.
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I want to see Swift on the server.
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I think that would be cool.
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JE: From Apple or from somebody else?
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I mean, from Apple would be better, I guess, since it's first party.
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But really, if there was some accepted and understood standard, I would really love to
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Not one of those situations like CocoaPods versus Carthage or anything like that.
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In honest to goodness, good, robust, mature as much as it can be, given this is all new,
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Swift on the server framework.
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I think that would be really, really awesome.
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I almost had an item like that on my list, but I didn't quite know how to phrase it,
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and I am obviously more demanding about avoiding vagueness
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than either of you are.
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But it was like, maybe, you know,
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do we just need a bunch of libraries for HTTP,
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for just handling the protocol,
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and then like, you know,
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sort of web frameworks on top of that,
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or another possibility is some standardized way
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to talk to databases from Swift, you know?
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Like, is there so many pieces,
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And I'm thinking obviously, quote unquote, web applications.
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So web applications may just be something
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that accepts and returns JSON over HTTP.
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Is that a web application?
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But just what we think of is when you say server side
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things, that's what we're all talking about.
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Not many people are making servers these days
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that aren't talking HTTP.
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And so I don't know if you need--
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especially in the first year, it's too much to ask, I think,
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to say, oh, there should be a giant proliferation of web
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framework things, and they should all duke it out
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until one clear victor emerges.
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Like, that's going to take like five years, right?
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So maybe we'll start smaller and say,
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how about just a standard for starting a server,
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listening on a port, dealing with HTTP,
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receiving requests, and sending responses.
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Sort of the bare bones, the equivalent of WSGI and Python,
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or PSGI plaque and Perl, or whatever.
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Like maybe we could start with that.
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That seems like a reasonable one year goal.
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And even there, I bet there'd be like
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five competing standards and they have to just duke it out
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and then the second year it'll be clear
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which one is the best support or whatever.
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But yeah, I would really like something like that too.
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I just didn't know how to phrase it.
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- Yeah, and I mean, people have started doing this.
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There's Taylor, which the chat room is linking me to.
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We'll put that in the show notes.
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I feel like there was something else
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with a really cheesy name.
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- There's one called Nest, I think.
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- Oh, I'm not familiar with that.
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Wasn't there one called like Perfect or something?
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I'm sure there's like 19 of them.
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Like, this is, you know, what we're asking for is like there to be one or two that are
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really good, well supported, debugged, that people are building things on.
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Like it's a tough year one goal.
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Like I mean, I think we'll be making progress on it, but anytime you sort of give this kind
01:14:47
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of playground to people, no pun intended, they're just going to, everyone's going to
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try a whole bunch of things.
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And there's, I don't know if you can really fast forward through that to get to the end
01:14:56
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part where we all decide on jQuery or whatever and then regret it because jQuery is too big
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and we have to do--yeah, I forget, I don't want to bring JavaScript into this, this is
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too painful.
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Oh, God, you and your JavaScript.
01:15:07
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All right, any other thoughts on this or should we move back to John?
01:15:10
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All right, John.
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All right, so my second, or third, if you count the 5K display item list, I'm going
01:15:17
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to throw this out there because remember this is not a prediction.
01:15:20
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Not a prediction.
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New file system.
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for OS X and for iOS, sure they can have it too if they really want, it's fine.
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I think it's plausible. How long has Apple known they need a new file system?
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For a really really long time. They should have been working on this for
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years and years and years and years and years and they should have been working on it
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and they have been. Like they've worked out long enough to have a ZFS dead end
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many years back. Like I feel like it is plausible. I don't think it's gonna happen.
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I feel like if I had to predict I would say 2017-ish but it is plausible and
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And so when I sit down to watch WWDC, whether in person or remotely, in 2016, I am going
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to have a plausible hope, as opposed to this year, which was a slightly less plausible hope,
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that they announce a new file system. And I guess they would announce it in the context of the Mac,
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or maybe they wouldn't announce it at all. I don't even know. I just want it to exist.
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So again, this is not a prediction. This is a wish, and I believe it is. And if it's not plausible,
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shame on Apple. Because if you say, "Oh, it's too soon. We just started working on this project
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six months ago, you did?
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Did you really start six months ago?
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Anyway, new file system.
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- Yeah, good luck.
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All right, Marco, for you.
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- So I have this whole section here on the Apple Watch.
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I want the Apple Watch to find its way.
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By all accounts, the Apple Watch is doing decently.
01:16:43
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But by many people's estimations,
01:16:45
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looking at server logs and everything,
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it does seem like many of them were given
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as Christmas gifts this past week.
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And before that it seems like the Apple Watch
01:16:53
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was doing decently sales-wise.
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Not a massive, like, "Saturday Night on Fire" kind of thing.
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Not the next iPhone by any means, but doing decently.
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So sales-wise it seems like it's gonna be here to stay.
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It's a line that is working for Apple.
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I worry that it will have the same growth curve as the iPad.
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It will shoot up now as it's the new cool thing,
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and then a lot of people will just drop off,
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or the upgrade cycle will become very long,
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way longer than Apple wants it to be.
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I think the Apple Watch is a product
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that is like 75% good.
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It just needs a lot of refinement
01:17:35
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because everything it does,
01:17:36
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it does things that are incredibly compelling
01:17:39
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and it just does them all almost really well.
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So for the last few days,
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I have been wearing a mechanical watch.
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I have not worn my Apple Watch since,
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I don't know, a week ago or so.
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So I'm wearing a mechanical watch that I got as a Christmas gift and I'm learning what
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this world is like.
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One of the cool things about a mechanical watch, besides the fact that I think honestly,
01:18:00
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I'm finally understanding when the watch people said, when the Apple Watch launched, that
01:18:07
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that is just not a fashion item.
01:18:10
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When you compare the way traditional style watches look versus the way the Apple Watch
01:18:16
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looks, I think you can say in isolation that the Apple watch can look good. In many of
01:18:22
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its configurations I think it does look good, but when you compare it fashionability wise
01:18:27
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to a mechanical watch, I think it's honestly no contest. But it's not even in the same
01:18:34
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league, but that's okay, it doesn't need to be, it just needs to be good. But anyway,
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there are so many areas of it in which like the notifications, I do miss, now that I'm
01:18:42
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this watch, I do miss, like when Casey sent me a message earlier, my pocket vibrated and
01:18:49
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I glanced at my wrist and only saw the time. And I do miss like having to take my phone
01:18:55
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out does feel inconvenient now when I get a message to go try to read it and see what
01:18:59
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it is. But that feature of the Apple Watch is also very frustrating because for me it
01:19:04
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works most of the time but not all of the time. Every so often at seemingly random intervals,
01:19:11
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I will just stop receiving notifications on my Apple Watch.
01:19:14
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But my phone thinks it sent into the watch, so then just they get dropped on the floor
01:19:19
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and I just don't receive messages until next time I check my phone, which I'm not in the
01:19:23
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habit of doing anymore because I have the Apple Watch.
01:19:25
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I can look at all the Apple Watch's core benefits and they all work like 75% well like that.
01:19:32
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And it's frustrating.
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And yes, it is still its first year.
01:19:36
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And so yes, many of these things are like 1.0 bugs even though technically it's on software
01:19:39
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version 2.0 but that doesn't seem to mean what you would expect from a 2.0. I just think
01:19:45
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that this product has so much promise but it just needs to be better. And it needs to
01:19:53
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be better in ways that typically don't happen quickly. You know like if a product is launched
01:19:58
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and it's like almost really great, that almost is really hard to resolve and to remove into
01:20:04
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to just being really great.
01:20:07
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And I hope Apple can do that with the watch,
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because it really is a very compelling product
01:20:14
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in a number of ways most of the time,
01:20:17
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and it's just so frustrating that it isn't all the time.
01:20:20
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I am so happy having this thing on my wrist now
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these past few days that just,
01:20:25
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it doesn't do nearly as much as the Apple Watch
01:20:28
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by a long shot, but it does it every single time.
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Every time I look at my wrist, the time is displayed.
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Every single time.
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And that's what you want out of something like that.
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You want it to be that reliable.
01:20:41
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The Apple Watch isn't, and I hope it can be,
01:20:44
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and I hope it is.
01:20:46
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- I think there's some good hope for the upgrade cycle
01:20:48
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because if any device had fashion going for it,
01:20:52
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both it's got the tech thing,
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where this is the big fat version
01:20:54
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and surely they're gonna get thinner, right?
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So that will help because it'll make it feel less like
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a giant restroom trailer on your wrist.
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And it's got the fashion thing.
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Even if they had made it as thin as they wanted to make it and they were actually making it
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bigger again for fashion reasons, the way you get someone to buy a new watch next year
01:21:11
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is convince them this really is a fashion accessory and then make it look different.
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People are into fashion and fashion things want things to look different.
01:21:19
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They don't want to wear the same thing year after year.
01:21:22
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At the very least, it will have a motivator to shorten the upgrade cycle that the iPad
01:21:28
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doesn't have because no one is upgrading their iPad because their old one is not fashionable
01:21:31
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Yeah, I think that's true. I recently, I don't know, maybe it was a week or two ago, wrote
01:21:36
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an Apple Watch Revisited post on my site. And I agree with you, Marco, that I have very
01:21:43
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mixed feelings about the Apple Watch. And in fact, on the upgrade-ies, on Relay, this
01:21:49
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is with Jason Snell and Mike Hurley, they do their year-end kind of recap and, you know,
01:21:54
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a funny award show. And they had solicited feedback from any of the Relay hosts that
01:22:00
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felt like they wanted to participate. And I forget exactly what the categories were, but I had listed
01:22:06
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the Apple Watch both for the most disappointing device as well as the one that has changed my life
01:22:12
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the most. Because I really do feel both of those things are true. That I had such high expectations
01:22:19
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for the watch, which I don't think they've really, it's really met. But at the same time,
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you know, to quote myself from my site, you know, it's become, it's made my phone transition
01:22:37
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from being a personal device to a private device. And that's a really big change. It's now,
01:22:46
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my phone is only for me, and I'm not taking it out constantly unless I choose to.
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it stays in my pocket all the time unless I'm choosing to get it out. And that's very different
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than it used to be when it was buzzing constantly and I would take my phone out in order to see what
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was going on and triage it and whatnot. And I agree with you, Marco, that having notifications
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on your wrist, as long as they work, which 99% of the time it does for me, although occasionally
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my watch just kind of forgets that it's connected to the phone, as long as they work, it's phenomenal
01:23:18
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and it's really changed the way I interact with my phone. And so I agree with you. I'd like to see
01:23:23
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Apple Watch colon get better,
01:23:25
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but it is an extremely impressive device
01:23:28
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and I think I would really miss it if I stopped wearing it.
01:23:31
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- Yeah, I'm also, you know,
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on the UI side of the Apple Watch,
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I think that's another product where the UI needs
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a lot of help in certain areas.
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Like just, I mean, honestly, I don't think,
01:23:44
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I think this falls off the end of plausibility,
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but I would love to see a complete rethinking
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of the entire app launching paradigm on the watch.
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you know, make it more of a like clock face plus glances
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only kind of thing and get rid of the entire honeycomb screen
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and the idea of launching apps that way,
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get rid of that entire paradigm.
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Like I wanna see major rethinking of the watch UI.
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I also just like, it is a smart watch, it is a computer,
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be smarter, like the clock faces themselves,
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the watch faces themselves are in many ways
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still somewhat dumb. And I mentioned this before so I won't go too far into it, but
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just get smarter with what can be shown on the face, what you have to choose between
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the relevance of certain information, certain kind of like, you know, some kind of heuristic
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of like, you know, do I have to have the timer always showing on the face in order to have
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it show when it's counting down when I have one running? Like stuff like that. Just like
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the watch face is smarter. Why does the minute hand of the utility face ever cover up the
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date so you can't see what date it is? Like simple things like that.
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It's humorism, that's why. Right, like it's a computer. You can do smarter
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things. When you compare it to mechanical watches, now that I've seen this world a little
01:25:11
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bit, when you compare it to mechanical watches, the Apple Watch face isn't that much smarter.
01:25:17
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it has many of the same downsides as mechanical watches do. It's a computer, it has the
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ability to show anything, to be smarter, to be considerate and to be really, you know,
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intelligent and flexible in a way that the current Apple Watch face environment doesn't
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take advantage of it and doesn't really expose or allow. And I really hope to see
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more of that. And, you know, but again, I think this pushes the bounds of plausibility
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because a lot of that would require gutting and redoing and redesigning and rethinking
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much of the Apple Watch's existing UI. Honestly, I don't see Apple doing that. Instead, we
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have these rumors that the version 2 hardware will just be like a FaceTime camera added,
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and that sounds insane to me. Like, I hope that my, what I have listed on here is like
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second gen hardware. Please let it be substantially faster because the speed of the watch really
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impedes the kinds of usefulness that you can do with its apps. It would be nice if it was
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a little bit thinner. It probably won't happen. And then I have here, "FaceTime camera?"
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I hope I'm missing something. Because I really, I hope there's a good use for that
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camera that I'm not thinking of. Because I can think of one really bad use which should
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be FaceTime. So I really hope that's not it.
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- Somebody for Apple to sell nose hair trimmers
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in its stores.
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- Oh my God.
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- 'Cause as soon as people start using that FaceTime camera,
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there's gonna be a run on nose hair trimmers.
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- You know, they could sell them right next
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to the hedge trimmers they need to trim,
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God damn it, I totally butchered that.
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- The foliage wall, we got it, we finished it for you.
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- God bless America.
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- Don't worry Casey, you almost get credit for that joke.
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- Yeah, we're just gonna have to cut all that out.
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Ah, goodness.
01:27:02
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All right, so does that make it, it's my turn again.
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To keep with the super nerdy topics,
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there's a Swift package manager for OS 10.
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I'd like to see that on iOS, which I'm sure it's coming,
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and I'd like to see that get adopted
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so the previously mentioned Carthage versus CocoaPods war
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just goes away.
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- All right, be careful what you wish for there,
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because, you know, (laughing)
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for all the faults you may find
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with the existing package managers,
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they're still more mature than this brand spanking
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new Swift one.
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So I don't know.
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I think what you're asking for is like unification,
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even if it's unifying around something that is less mature
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at this point and yeah, I think that would be good.
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I don't know if that's plausible for next year.
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'Cause yeah, that's like a forward looking thing where like,
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I would like to see this mess sorted out
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so that I don't have to deal with these differences.
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And there's just one way that everyone agrees on
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of doing this thing like, you know,
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Gem and Ruby or C-band and Perl or whatever.
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And having one thing is better than that one thing
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being particularly debugged or worked out or whatever.
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But I think we're in for a couple of years
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with more pain in that.
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- Oh, I think you're right.
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But I think if Apple made something really robust
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and really solid, I think it could kind of solve the problem
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once and for all.
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- For Mac and iOS, probably.
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But like then what are the,
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your previous thing about the server side of people,
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Maybe they come up with their own system, I don't know.
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- Yeah, that's all I had, well, for this one anyway.
01:28:35
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- All right, the next item is another,
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see how simple and concise mine are?
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New Mac Pro, new file system, new 5K display,
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another concise one.
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Apple Pencil for iPad non-Pro.
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That's it, the regular, what we used to call
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full-sized iPads, I want one of those with pencil support.
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It is totally plausible and it would be awesome
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and I would probably buy one.
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- Yeah, and that honestly, that's pretty plausible.
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I'm pretty sure, I wouldn't expect to see it in the Mini,
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but I would expect to see it at least in the Air line.
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The next Air probably this fall or whatever.
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I hope they do that.
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- I mean that's probably the main reason
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I'm not buying a new iPad now,
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'cause my iPad 3, it's really chugging these days.
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Or it's slowing down, I don't know if it's iOS 9
01:29:20
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that's making it slow down,
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or just like I'm getting used to my iPhone 6 too much,
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I just can't, I'm doing much more on my phone
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using it as a really, really small iPad
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'cause I just can't stand going over to my slow iPad.
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And so I would have bought a new iPad this year
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except I couldn't get it out of my head
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that I don't wanna buy one this year
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and the next year they have one with a pencil
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because that would be cool.
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So yeah, I would like to see that next year.
01:29:40
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- All right, Marco.
01:29:43
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- I would like to see general maturing of the iPad Pro
01:29:47
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now that we're on this topic.
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The iPad Pro, obviously it's very new.
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It's like a month old or something now, so it's very new.
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The hardware seems really great.
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The software seems like it needs still a lot of time to bake
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and that's both first party and third party software.
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My worry is that this fall,
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before the iPad Pro is even out,
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we saw, as you mentioned earlier, Casey,
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we saw the launch of multitasking on the iPad
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and there are still so many incredibly useful iPad apps
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that have not been updated for multitasking.
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And this is not just some fluke.
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This is because it is not really worth developers
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putting a lot of effort into most iPad apps.
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And that's a big problem for the iPad.
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So I really hope that in 2016 we see
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enough worthwhile gains on the iPad market-wise
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to be worth developers updating their software.
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Because as any iPad Pro owner can tell you,
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it is really great when you're using apps
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that resize properly to the iPad Pro
01:30:51
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and support multitasking properly,
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and it's really rough when you're not.
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And it's bad enough on the 1024 by 768 iPad,
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the Air and the Mini, it's bad enough on those
01:31:02
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when you have something that doesn't support multitasking.
01:31:05
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But it's way worse on an iPad Pro
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when you have something that brings up
01:31:09
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that tremendous old keyboard
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because the app is being scaled up, it's really rough.
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That will hold the iPad Pro back until it is resolved.
01:31:19
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Right now, it doesn't appear as though
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that's going to be resolved easily.
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'Cause developers of many iPad apps
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are really not rushing to update them
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for these new capabilities because it has been,
01:31:33
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historically it has been so hard to justify
01:31:35
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putting more effort into iPad programming
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because the market has not rewarded it
01:31:41
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in a commensurate way for most app types.
01:31:44
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I really hope to see that change
01:31:45
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and to see a lot more iPad software
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get updated for modern devices,
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because if that doesn't happen,
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a year from now we're gonna hear a lot of
01:31:54
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really disappointed iPad owners talking about it.
01:31:57
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- I mean, I don't have an iPad Pro,
01:31:58
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so I have nothing to contribute to this,
01:32:00
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but it makes sense to me.
01:32:01
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- Well, but you just said,
01:32:02
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you do have an iPad now with multitasking support,
01:32:04
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and it does suck when you want to multitask
01:32:07
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with an app that doesn't support it.
01:32:08
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So this is all tied in.
01:32:09
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- Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right about that.
01:32:11
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- Can we just lump in the lack of an Instagram iPad app
01:32:14
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in there just for the hell of it?
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Because things that will annoy every iPad aren't yet.
01:32:19
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It has always amazed me.
01:32:21
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The iOS applications that don't think it's important
01:32:24
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to pick your thing, to be updated for the iPhone 6 size,
01:32:29
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to do anything sensible on the iPad,
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to have an iPad app at all.
01:32:34
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It's tough when you're not number one,
01:32:35
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even just the number two iOS device platform.
01:32:38
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It's just that's a big drop off after the iPhone.
01:32:42
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- Yeah, and then while I'm on the quick iOS topic,
01:32:45
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or iOS device topic here, the iPhone 7,
01:32:49
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I have a quick little bullet point here of,
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iPhone 7's coming out this year,
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it's gonna be, if they follow the pattern,
01:32:55
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which they will almost certainly follow,
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it's gonna be a redesign year for the external casing
01:33:00
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of the iPhone this year.
01:33:02
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I'm not gonna wish for more battery life,
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'cause that's not plausible.
01:33:05
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- It is plausible, you could totally,
01:33:07
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yes it is, it is 100% plausible.
01:33:09
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You could say you want more battery life
01:33:11
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in terms of the number of minutes, or like wall clock time,
01:33:14
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or you could just say I want more milliamp hours.
01:33:17
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- You know what, I would actually,
01:33:19
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this is, I would like more milliamp hours,
01:33:20
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and I know they won't do that,
01:33:22
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because that would make it heavier and thicker.
01:33:23
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They just won't.
01:33:25
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The way Apple gets battery life these days
01:33:27
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is a combination of power saving parts
01:33:29
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as technology advances and software improvements
01:33:32
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to kind of reduce the idle draw
01:33:35
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and to get more into idle time.
01:33:38
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The problem I have with the modern battery life is,
01:33:42
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which I talked about to death,
01:33:42
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I'm going to go over it very quickly now, is that we have not seen significant advancement
01:33:47
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in the battery life of things that are under load, things that are, like processors that
01:33:53
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are being used. If you're playing, you know, a game or you're using GPS or you're streaming
01:33:58
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music over the cell network through Bluetooth or something, where things are not going into
01:34:01
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low power states, or if you're on a laptop, you're processing photos, you're compiling,
01:34:06
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you're doing, you know, you're doing hard work, you're making the computer work hard.
01:34:10
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So you're not seeing big changes in the battery life under load. We're seeing almost
01:34:15
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all the gains you've had in the last few years have been by stretching out idle time,
01:34:20
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by making idle time more efficient, and by making the CPUs enter idle time more often.
01:34:24
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So I want to see that top end be raised also. And I just think that's not going to happen.
01:34:30
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I think it's very obvious that Apple is content to mostly not address that, and to
01:34:35
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instead address the bottom end, because the bottom end can be addressed without bigger,
01:34:40
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batteries so I don't think it's going to happen but I would like my plausible
01:34:45
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thing my plausible wish list item on the iPhone 7 is to to somehow address the
01:34:51
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handhold ability and make it make it more handholdable without a case because
01:34:58
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the iPhone 6 is the first one I've used with the case I before that every
01:35:01
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previous iPhone I've used without a case because I just liked it I don't like
01:35:05
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having to use a case I like having an iPhone that just feels good enough and
01:35:08
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secure enough in my hand that I don't feel the need for a case.
01:35:11
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The 6 did not do that at all.
01:35:13
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It was way too slippery in both shape and finish.
01:35:16
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The 6S improved it a little bit in that it is still slippery in shape but the finish
01:35:20
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was less slippery, the surface itself.
01:35:23
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I would like to see the 7 design hopefully address the ability to hand hold it in a way
01:35:28
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that feels secure and that is secure because all the previous ones I thought were way more
01:35:34
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hand holdable.
01:35:36
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The sixth design I think was, is pretty rough in that way.
01:35:40
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I'm hoping the seventh will be better.
01:35:41
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Just the handholdability.
01:35:43
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The rest I know is mostly not plausible.
01:35:46
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But that I want.
01:35:47
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- I think you're not following my definition of plausible
01:35:50
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as in able to be done in the physical world
01:35:52
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without any magic, without saying,
01:35:53
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I want there to be five gigahertz CPUs.
01:35:55
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But anyway, for your gripability,
01:35:58
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you just need a foliage wall.
01:35:59
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They just need to put moss on the outside of it.
01:36:02
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They're testing that right now, right now.
01:36:03
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The iPhone foliage wall.
01:36:06
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little just a, you know, it's like a chia pet. You just, you water it.
01:36:09
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Then you're going to use fuel cell technology to give Marco his increased battery life that
01:36:13
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he is afraid to ask for. And then it'll be like a chia pet because you'll fill it up
01:36:17
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with liquid and that'll run the fuel cell and the water vapor that comes out will help
01:36:21
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the little hydroponic moss grow and it'll be really grippy.
01:36:25
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That would be awesome.
01:36:27
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And it'll be green.
01:36:28
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Yeah, literally.
01:36:29
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- All right, my next one, hand on heart,
01:36:33
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as written in my field notes earlier today,
01:36:36
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is increased battery life for the new iPhone.
01:36:40
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- See, he has the guts to say it.
01:36:43
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It's plausible, you can just put more battery in there,
01:36:45
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you just make it thicker.
01:36:46
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It's straightforward, totally doable, could be done,
01:36:50
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you could say, and it would make you happy if it was done,
01:36:53
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and so there you go.
01:36:54
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- Yeah, and I mean, maybe the answer is just
01:36:56
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don't make the next iPhone thinner.
01:36:59
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Because to my memory, every single iPhone redesign
01:37:03
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has been just that little bit thinner than the last.
01:37:05
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Maybe you know what, Apple, you go really crazy
01:37:09
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and you just don't make it thinner this year
01:37:11
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and just add battery.
01:37:12
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- They should make it thinner,
01:37:13
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but then have a lump on the back where the extra battery is.
01:37:18
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'Cause then they could say, look how much thinner it is.
01:37:21
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We made it so they could make it really thin
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and they just put it all in the lump,
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like, oh, don't count the lump.
01:37:25
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So we're not counting that in the thickness.
01:37:27
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- No, I mean, what this comes down to is that
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the thinness is not the main problem here.
01:37:33
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The main problem here is weight.
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Thinness is the consequence of that.
01:37:38
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They're not minimizing battery size to make it thinner.
01:37:42
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They want to make it thinner overall,
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and they're trying to hit a weight goal,
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and then the size of the battery,
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batteries are the heaviest thing in there,
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So the size of the battery is what lets them,
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if they can keep the battery small,
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that keeps the weight down,
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and then they can make the enclosure
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really small and thin around it.
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So this is really about weight,
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more than thinness by itself.
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I think thinness is a secondary consequence
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of reducing weight.
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So what we're really asking for,
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if we want bigger batteries,
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what we're asking for is to make the phones heavier.
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And that's why I'm not sure they would do it.
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- Did the iPhone 6 get heavier than the 5S?
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- I believe it did.
01:38:25
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- I thought that was the 6S versus 6
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because of the 3D touch stuff.
01:38:30
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- Yeah, but I just mean when the phone got bigger
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than the four inch screen, you know.
01:38:34
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- Well, but that's explainable even to a regular consumer
01:38:37
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because, oh look, it's bigger, thus there's more stuff.
01:38:40
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- I know, but it's not unprecedented to go heavier.
01:38:45
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Anyway, the amount of extra weight added by the batteries
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is minimal, but yeah, this is reversing a trend.
01:38:50
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they're making it thinner because they want it to be lighter, they want it to be lighter,
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you know, that's the direction they're going.
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But I still think for a list of plausible things, that that could go on the list.
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All right, that was my last one, so I'm tapped out from here.
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I got two related ones.
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One since we're talking about iPhone things.
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I don't even know if this is something that I really care about that much.
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I guess it gets more into prediction.
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I guess I kind of do care about it.
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OLED screens and phones has rumors about that.
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And for power efficiency reasons, and maybe because it will encourage more user interfaces
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that aren't all white, and maybe because they can make it thinner and lighter.
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I don't know all the advantages of OLED, but I feel like LCD on phones as a power draw
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source and just that technology, especially as they incorporate more and more things in
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there, like maybe if they ever let you use the pencil with the phone or something.
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I would like to see Apple take the next leap with their iOS devices and start transitioning
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to OLED everywhere because that seems to be the way things are going.
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And my related item, actually getting off of Apple stuff for a change, is I want to
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see more non-curved OLED televisions that concentrate on picture quality.
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This year has been the year that OLED TVs become a thing that you can buy for a reasonable
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They're the new picture quality king.
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A whole bunch of them are curved.
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But it's really early TV buying.
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This is not the year to buy an OLED TV.
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Unless you just want to buy it, like I said, people ask for advice, buy it with the idea
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that you're going to sell it.
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Because it's like the people who bought the Plasmas the first or second year they were
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That's fine.
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You get to enjoy a fancy new TV.
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But assume you're going to sell it in a year or two.
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Because in a year or two or three, the ones that come out are going to be so much better
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than yours for so much less money that you're going to have to be resigned to sell it and
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trade up to a nicer model.
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But I feel like next year is the year when OLEDs, hopefully they get rid of the stupid
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curve thing because I don't know who is buying these things with curves, who wants them with
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curves, I don't.
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There's no advantage to it, it's dumb.
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It needs to just go away.
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Yeah, flat OLED TVs that concentrate on picture quality.
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Because a lot of the OLEDs now, or a lot of TVs in general, usually don't concentrate
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on picture quality.
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smart TV type features or you know some other gee whiz thing or they just want to say this
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is the cheapest 4k TV you can get at this particular size I want the ones that actually
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concentrate on picture quality not that I would particularly buy one but I just you
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know I hate looking year after year at the TVs that are available and realizing I don't
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want any of these TVs and just praying that my poor partially burned in plasma just keeps
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working until I can, until someone makes a TV that I can replace it with.
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Ultimately you can just wish that that burned-in spot eventually wears out during 2016.
01:41:40
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Well, I mean, I was doing pretty well.
01:41:42
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I looked at the Cartoon Network logo the other day and it has faded substantially.
01:41:46
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The Destiny HUD is still kind of faintly visible.
01:41:49
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But yeah, the television logos, the channel logos, are honestly worse than Destiny now.
01:41:53
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There's not much you can do about the channel logos except for tell these television stations
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because guess what?
01:41:59
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OLED burns in two.
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So please, television stations, make your logos transparent.
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Or maybe don't show them on the screen the entire show.
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I get it, I understand what network I'm watching.
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Put it on for three seconds,
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and then you come out of commercial break.
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Or not at all, that should be a feature.
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Like, it should be like the luxury TV network.
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We never put our stupid logo on your screen.
01:42:18
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That would be a luxury.
01:42:19
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Pay us extra money and we never show an ad.
01:42:21
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That is a luxury, that's why people like HBO.
01:42:23
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Hey, let's watch an HBO show.
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It just plays and there's no commercials in it.
01:42:27
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And there's no breaks for commercials,
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it just plays straight through.
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That is a desirable experience.
01:42:33
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Who doesn't like that?
01:42:34
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Of course, you'd also like to get your television for free,
01:42:36
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so understand advertising is have to work.
01:42:38
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But for stations that, you know,
01:42:41
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I feel like it's a quality of life issue.
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For stations that have ads on them
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that just run plain old regular TV,
01:42:47
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they could advertise the fact
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that we never cover the screen
01:42:50
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with like a promo for an upcoming show.
01:42:52
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I guess they have to put the rating thing in there,
01:42:54
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you know, the TV, LSV, M, you know, whatever.
01:42:57
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I guess I watch shows with too many letters in them.
01:42:59
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Yeah, they're all HBO shows.
01:43:02
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But you know they have to put the little logo up on the screen?
01:43:05
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I don't know if you guys know this because I don't know if they're on iTunes.
01:43:09
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Anyway, they put that in the 4x3 frame.
01:43:14
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They don't put it in the corner of the 16x9 screen.
01:43:17
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They put it so it would be visible if you were watching 16x9 content with the sides
01:43:22
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cut off so it's 4x3.
01:43:24
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I was going through my pictures on my phone the other day and I had a good picture of
01:43:27
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when I was watching Sons of Anarchy back when it was on and back when it was actually kind
01:43:31
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of not terrible, where the logo, the TVMA/LSV whatever logo, was dead center over an actor's
01:43:41
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Like their head was a gigantic square.
01:43:45
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Like seriously?
01:43:46
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Like you can't even, and it's not like you can move that out of the way, it's not like
01:43:49
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when you rewatch that later that will be gone.
01:43:52
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That's, you're missing, you know, part of the show because of that.
01:43:54
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And the same thing when the promos for the upcoming shows come up.
01:43:57
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Anyway, yeah, I guess that's another bullet item.
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Television stations.
01:44:01
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It is within your power, both technically and policy-wise, to stop doing that.
01:44:08
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Stop doing that.
01:44:09
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I'll pay you extra money to not put your logo on the screen and to not interrupt my program
01:44:11
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with other things dancing across the bottom of my screen.
01:44:15
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All right, Marco.
01:44:16
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I mean, I think my overall wrap-up here for my topic list, the lesson I have on here really,
01:44:23
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is for Apple to just show more focus.
01:44:26
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Focus has been, I think, the attribute
01:44:30
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that I've been missing the most in Apple's recent launches,
01:44:34
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because they are just getting so much more broad.
01:44:36
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They're addressing so many more kinds of products.
01:44:39
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The lines are bigger than ever.
01:44:40
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The services list is bigger than ever.
01:44:44
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It does seem like their focus is not where it used to be.
01:44:47
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And so I would like to just see more focus.
01:44:49
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And maybe that means ending some product lines
01:44:52
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or ending some initiatives that haven't worked out,
01:44:54
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like all the various kits on iOS.
01:44:58
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I think a lot of those have not quite worked out.
01:45:01
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Just like, they've started so much,
01:45:03
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a lot of it has fallen flat.
01:45:05
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Maybe they should end some things
01:45:07
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and actually increase their focus.
01:45:08
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So we'll see what happens there.
01:45:09
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I'm not really holding my breath on that one.
01:45:12
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- You may be saved because the car
01:45:14
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is not gonna come out in 2016,
01:45:15
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so you can pretend they're getting more focused.
01:45:17
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Then all of a sudden in 2018 or '19, guess what?
01:45:19
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We make a car, like, oh, Apple, what happened to the Focus?
01:45:24
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And you'll buy one of the cars, too.
01:45:26
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That'll be fun.
01:45:27
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That'll be super fun.
01:45:29
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Do I want that?
01:45:30
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Do I want a 1.0 Apple car?
01:45:33
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Whether you want one or not doesn't-- it may appear.
01:45:36
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The Tesla lease will be up by then.
01:45:37
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You'll be looking around.
01:45:38
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You'll be restless.
01:45:39
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Yeah, we'll see.
01:45:40
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It's going to happen.
01:45:41
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We're already replacing your Tesla.
01:45:43
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It hasn't even arrived yet.
01:45:47
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I told you I'm done.
01:45:48
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So John, anything else or any closing thoughts?
01:45:51
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- No, the only other item I had on my list
01:45:53
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was like a vague one that I couldn't nail down.
01:45:56
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There are so many remaining bugs,
01:46:00
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so many sort of obvious bugs that,
01:46:03
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not obvious how to fix them,
01:46:05
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but obvious that something is not working correctly.
01:46:08
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And you always just hope that it's someone's job somewhere
01:46:12
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to fix those.
01:46:13
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And it's kind of, I don't know if this one counts as,
01:46:16
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This is vague and probably not really plausible because I don't know if Apple makes...
01:46:20
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I don't know how much extra value Apple adds by fixing these type of bugs, but we all encounter
01:46:26
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them from time to time and it just makes me wish.
01:46:29
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Like the only time I can feel like this wish is not fantastical or wishing for a pony is
01:46:36
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when like I know the developer who makes the application.
01:46:40
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It's like one person who makes an application.
01:46:44
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I know that if I report this bug, this one person will see that bug report and realize
01:46:51
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that they are embarrassed that this bug happens and they don't want their application to have
01:46:55
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this bug and that they'll fix it and then within a month or two it will be fixed.
01:47:02
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But that just doesn't happen with things that are made by Apple.
01:47:05
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If you find some small bug like that that's just kind of embarrassing where like text
01:47:09
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overruns the bounding box that it's supposed to be in, or clicking on this thing doesn't
01:47:14
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work until the second time you click it because of some event, you know, responder chain business
01:47:18
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or whatever.
01:47:19
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An individual developer who you know will want to fix that, because it doesn't seem
01:47:24
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like a big deal, and they're embarrassed that they have an application that you have to
01:47:27
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click a checkbox twice to make it, you know what I mean?
01:47:29
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Like it's not a crasher, it's not a data loss bug, but they'll fix it.
01:47:34
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Kind of just individual pride and craftsmanship or whatever.
01:47:38
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And it depresses me that the larger the organization gets, the less hope you have that those type
01:47:43
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of bugs will ever get addressed unless you just happen to catch somebody on a good day
01:47:47
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when they don't have anything else to do, you know, when they're not working on their
01:47:50
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P1s or whatever, that they just happen to go in and fix that.
01:47:53
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Because fixing that could cause some other problem, it could cascade into a thing that
01:47:56
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costs their multi-billion dollar company lots of money and reduces their customer sat.
01:48:01
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But an individual developer, they'll just fix it in their app.
01:48:04
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And I kind of like that and I kind of miss that from Apple.
01:48:07
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But that's getting into -- that's why it's not on my list.
01:48:12
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It's too vague or whatever.
01:48:13
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Anyway, to sum up my list, I have a bunch of simple, concrete things that could totally
01:48:17
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happen, that would make me happy.
01:48:20
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And by the way, I think most of them, if I had to predict, will these things happen?
01:48:23
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It's a pretty good shot for a lot of them.
01:48:25
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So I think 2016 will be a good year for me.
01:48:28
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>> Holding out hope for the file system.
01:48:31
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>> Well, maybe not on that front.
01:48:33
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I keep saying 2017.
01:48:34
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>> Not that good.
01:48:36
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>> Oh, goodness.
01:48:37
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- Are we good?
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♪ Now the show is over ♪
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♪ They didn't even mean to begin ♪
01:48:51
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♪ 'Cause it was accidental ♪
01:48:54
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♪ Oh it was accidental ♪
01:48:57
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♪ John didn't do any research ♪
01:48:59
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♪ Marco and Casey wouldn't let him ♪
01:49:02
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♪ 'Cause it was accidental ♪
01:49:04
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm And if you're into Twitter, you can follow
01:49:11
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them @caseyliss
01:49:20
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So that's Casey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M, A-N-T-M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
01:49:27
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S-I-R-A-C U-S-A-C-R-A-Q-S-A It's accidental (it's accidental)
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They didn't mean to Accidental (accidental)
01:49:41
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Tech broadcast so long
01:49:47
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Clearly you need to give much more specific instructions for Marco and I.
01:49:50
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I thought I was so specific. I like, it was concise and specific instructions.
01:49:55
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And just I don't know maybe I should have given more examples
01:49:59
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Maybe I should have given more examples of what not to do. I don't know. This is where I get to wish for my
01:50:03
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my theoretical
01:50:05
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17 inch 4k MacBook Pro that with skylight might be around 5 pounds
01:50:10
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17 inch 4k MacBook Pro. Mm-hmm
01:50:15
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Think about it. It makes a lot of sense
01:50:18
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I think you'd be better off wishing for a 17 inch iPad Pro with a keyboard that is more firmly attached
01:50:24
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- And that'll be as fast as this guy like MacBook Pro
01:50:29
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in like three or four years.
01:50:31
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- Yeah, no I mean that's why it's a long shot stretch.
01:50:36
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I'm not even sure I would buy one.
01:50:37
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- Yeah, would you use a 17 inch laptop?
01:50:39
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I don't know.
01:50:41
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- It's like bigger than you are.
01:50:43
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- 'Cause like when, I'm not carrying my laptop everyday.
01:50:47
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I bring it on trips when I have to get work done.
01:50:49
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And whenever I do that, I am always starving
01:50:52
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for more screen space.
01:50:54
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- There's just screen share to your iMac at home.
01:50:58
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- It's all in your mind, man.
01:51:02
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- No, I mean like, we have not seen--
01:51:03
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- Screen space is just like your opinion, man.
01:51:07
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- I understood that reference.
01:51:08
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- You're using a 5K iMac, you're using a bigger screen,
01:51:12
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but it's on a smaller screen, but it's bigger.
01:51:15
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There's so many pixels, you won't notice the difference.
01:51:19
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- No, I mean like, we have, everyone's like always,
01:51:21
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oh, the 17-inch was this giant, heavy aircraft carrier.
01:51:24
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And yes, the last time we saw one, it was.
01:51:26
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But now, the 17-inch, I think last time we saw it
01:51:30
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was something like six pounds, right, something like that.
01:51:33
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But at the same time, the 15-inch was five or five and a half
01:51:38
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while the 17-inch was six or six and a half.
01:51:41
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So you can see the ratio there,
01:51:43
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it's not that much more than the 15-inch.
01:51:45
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Well now, since then, the 15-inch has gotten way smaller
01:51:49
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and lighter with the retina transition
01:51:51
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With the Skylake tradition,
01:51:52
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it's probably gonna be even more so.
01:51:54
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So I'm guessing it would be possible with Skylake
01:51:57
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to make a 17 inch that had reasonable battery life
01:52:00
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that is roughly five and a half pounds.
01:52:03
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And maybe even five pounds,
01:52:05
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depending on how thin they can go with the battery
01:52:07
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without having it be too small.
01:52:09
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So that is different.
01:52:13
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It puts a different spin on things.
01:52:14
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I mean, with the Skylake thing,
01:52:17
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I bet we're gonna see a lot more people saying,
01:52:19
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you know what, now that it's so much thinner and lighter,
01:52:22
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I might go 15 inch next time,
01:52:23
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where I would have gone 13 inch before.
01:52:25
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You know, I think we'll start seeing people
01:52:28
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justify going bigger.
01:52:29
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In the same way, like, look, all the iPad people
01:52:32
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just discovered, you know what, after all,
01:52:35
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having a much bigger one is more productive.
01:52:37
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Look at that.
01:52:38
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Like, the same thing applies with computers, with laptops.
01:52:41
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Like, as they're gonna get thinner and lighter,
01:52:43
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we're gonna see a lot more people say,
01:52:45
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you know what, I was gonna go Air,
01:52:46
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but now I'll go 13 inch Pro.
01:52:48
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I was gonna go with 13 inch Pro,
01:52:49
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now I'm gonna go with 15 inch Pro,
01:52:50
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'cause I felt one in the store
01:52:52
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and it was so much lighter than I expected.
01:52:54
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And wow, all this extra screen space is really nice.
01:52:57
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I can get a lot more stuff done.
01:52:59
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Like obviously this is not news to people using computers,
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whereas it seems like it's news to iPad people,
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but you know, that might happen now with the Mac line
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where if they have a bigger one, you know what?
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That actually is pretty nice.
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So I don't know, again, it's just a stretch
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and I'm not even sure I would buy one,
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but that would be really cool I think.
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- It's an opportunity for them to make up
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for the sins of the past and actually put
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a different keyboard on it than the one
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that's on the MacBook One.
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- Right, well and that's the other thing too,
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like I didn't mention the keyboards,
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but like I would expect all the new Skylitic MacBook Pros,
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if they're gonna be redesigned at all,
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which it sounds like they probably will be,
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I would expect them to get not the MacBook One keyboard,
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but the keyboard that's in the new standalone Apple keyboard.
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The Magic, is it called the Magic Keyboard?
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Whatever it is, the new standalone keyboard.
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I'm guessing it gets at that one,
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which is not nearly as bad as the MacBook One keyboard.
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It is in that style, but it is done, I think, way better.
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- I don't mean like in a key travel,
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I mean as in more keys,
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specifically the 17 inch,
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you have so much more room to put keys.
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So put full-size arrow keys,
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and put all the home and end keys,
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and page up and page down,
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instead of taking,
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remember, this was one of my early,
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I reviewed one of the non-unibody aluminum PowerBook G4s
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for Ars Technica and like a series of screenshots showing the same keyboard is on the 12 inch,
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the 15 inch, and the 17 inch. Literally the same keyboard. And you know, on the 12 inch
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it goes edge to edge. And on the 17 inch it's this vast sea of aluminum with this tiny little
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keyboard floating in it. It's like, you have so much more room. Add more keys, please.
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I don't know, I assume they wouldn't, which would be sad. It's just this giant, you know,
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because as thin as you make it, the aluminum area has to be the same as the size of the
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screen like you're not gonna make the bottom smaller than the top and so you
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have you have this huge area with which to put keys and you just decide this is
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tiny little island in the middle the size of the MacBook one it's the only
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area where you're allowed to have keys