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Alright, so a lot of OS updates these days.
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Yeah, like all of them.
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Yeah, like everything.
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I definitely sat down at 7.15 to upgrade my work Mac, which is the one I'm recording
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on, to El Capitan.
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I still hate that name.
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You upgraded to a .0 release on your podcasting machine a few hours before you had to podcast
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Less than three.
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I knew not to say anything to you guys,
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nor the internet, until I had at least gotten on the call
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and that much had worked.
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We'll see if I have actually recorded anything
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by the time this is all over, but yes,
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in theory everything's going well.
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- So typically the rule of audio setups,
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and this applies to a lot of things,
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but especially in audio setups, the rule is
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once you have something that works,
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don't touch anything ever, just leave it there.
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Don't touch it.
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And of course, in practice, this is harder to do.
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If you had to like, oh, one time had to do something
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different, then you gotta change the snob,
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change the setting, maybe change the wiring around
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for something, then you gotta change it back
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and it's a pain.
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And then of course in the age of computers and software,
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it's even worse and it's like, well,
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some people have to try to keep around an old machine
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running an old version of the OS 'cause the software
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doesn't work on anything newer or they just don't wanna
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risk it breaking.
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So there's a balance to be struck here,
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because obviously it's very hard to hold on
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to old versions of OS and old versions of software forever,
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and as time goes on, I think it's getting harder
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to hold on to old versions of things,
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but at the same time, it worked and you touched it.
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So I think there's a balance to be struck here,
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and you did not strike it.
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- It probably is okay for me to upgrade
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as long as I don't have any drinks near the machine.
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I think that's a fair compromise.
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(electronic beeping)
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All right, you wanna do some follow-up?
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- Talk about why people are upset about Marco pulling piece
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and one of the things that I think Marco brought up
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and we were trying to Google for the name of it
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was loss aversion.
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Joshua Pollock points out that another term
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that might fit is endowment effect.
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The hypothesis that people ascribe more value to things
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merely because they own them.
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So once you've got peace,
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it's super important that you have peace.
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Before you had peace,
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it wasn't super important that you get it.
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So once they've got the $3 application and you pull it,
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it's much worse than him never having launched it,
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even though the effect is the same.
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Anyway, people are weird.
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Thanks Joshua for the followup.
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- In summary, people are weird.
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- And we can summarize much of our followup that way.
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- All right, what else do we have here?
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Daniel Melitz has a short anecdote about visual effects,
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which I think has been in the followup
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for about 12 years now.
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But would you like to tell us about that, Jon?
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- It's actually related to the iPad Pro and Pen stuff.
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He says he works in VFX, which is visual effects,
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and he says, "By my rough estimate,
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"somewhere around 50% of compositors use a Wacom
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"or Wacom tablet instead of a mouse for RSI reasons."
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And I see that a lot too, people using a tablet,
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not just to do drawing stuff,
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but to do everything in the computer.
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Like they're using their tablet basically as a mouse
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to select menus, to select tools from palettes,
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to move icons around on their desktop,
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in the finder, whatever it is they're doing.
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And that's relevant to the iPad Pro
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because recently Michael Johnson, Dr. Wave on Twitter,
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I think it was him, tweeted a picture
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of a bunch of people at Pixar trying out the iPad Pro.
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Apparently Apple visited Pixar
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and deposited some iPad Pro hardware
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in front of the Pixar artists
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and they all got a chance to try it out
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and the reviews were pretty good.
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I mean it's just tweets so it's not like some big article that you can read about the trial
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run of these things but the one thing I remember is they said that the palm rejection was really
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good which means like when you rest your hand on the surface of the tablet and then try
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to draw with the pen because you want to sort of steady the pen it doesn't think that your
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hand is a touch and suddenly draw things underneath where your hand is or move stuff around or
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whatever it just knows to take a look at the pen so anyway I am still looking forward to
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trying out this pen even though I don't really do any kind of illustration just because it
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looks neat. And who knows, maybe I'll get one someday.
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All right. Let's see. So Monty Good also wrote in, he said, "Conventional wisdom seems to
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be that the only people currently using ad blockers are nerds, which is to say a subset
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of Internet users. So I'm not understanding why the doomsayers think that an upcoming
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tweak to iOS, which is now here, is going to cause legions of people to do something
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that they are already not doing.
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This is something I wanted to talk about, but then Margo had to go and "calls all the
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drums," as they say.
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So we had to have a whole show about that.
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But yeah, more broadly on the topic of ad blocking, I put this in here way before iOS
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9 even came out, just because all of the discussion about ad blocking and the ethics of ad blocking
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and the possible effects on the publishing industry or whatever, I hadn't seen anyone
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really nail down what they expected to happen in terms of the number of people who run ad
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Obviously, introducing this feature to iOS is really important because iOS is a big platform.
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A lot of people use iOS, especially a lot of people who buy things use iOS.
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And adding the ability to have blockers where once there was no ability to have them, at
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least with the built-in browser, is significant.
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But you're still left with the question, how many people do we think are going to install
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an ad blocker?
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It's way easier to install one now.
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You can install it by tapping a couple of buttons on your iPhone, but iPhone users are
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only what, 20% of the smartphone market or 30% less than that of the overall phone market.
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And so even if you say 100% of iOS users are going to install an ad blocker the day iOS
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9 comes out, which is totally not true, I'm going to say it's under 100%, but even if
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100% did, does that destroy publishing?
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100% of desktop users can install an ad blocker right now.
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percentage of desktop web browsing people actually do install an ad blocker.
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I don't have much experience with this except for reading things on the web and even I think
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like the nerdiest sites are only around like they're still under 50% ad blockers for like
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the very nerdiest most paranoid most privacy concerned readers.
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Even those sites seem to only get around you know 50% or less of people installing ad blockers.
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I would say for the general web on the desktop,
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it's well under 20% of people install ad blockers,
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but I don't know, I'm just pulling numbers out of my butt.
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Anyway, in the spirit of pulling numbers out of our butt,
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what do we think is going to happen with iOS?
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What percentage of iOS users are going to install
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some kind of ad blocker?
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- I would guess 10 to 20%, closer to 10.
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- Yeah, that sounds, I mean, that sounds high.
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If you say what percentage of iOS users
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will install anything.
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Like, it's such a broad base of people that it's, you know,
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I would say 10% would be a pretty good conservative,
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or a pretty good optimistic high estimate.
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I mean, think about like, the most popular app on the phone
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is probably the Facebook app,
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the most popular third party app.
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Most likely Facebook, right?
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If not YouTube, but probably Facebook.
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Then like, you know, how many people have that installed
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on iOS, what percentage of iOS users have that installed?
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maybe half, I don't know, maybe more, I don't know.
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I have no idea what to expect there,
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but that's a massive app right there.
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To reach half of iOS people, that's huge.
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So yeah, I would guess on the order of 10%
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is reasonable to be an optimistic goal.
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- I think it'll be a little bit higher than that eventually,
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mostly because it's not one app like Facebook or YouTube,
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it's basically a category.
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Do you have any kind of blocker installed?
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And I think word will spread among the people
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who care about this stuff at all,
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that like get a blocker, whatever,
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like pick a brand name, whatever brand name
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people is traveling around in people's social circles,
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it's gonna be like, you need to install X
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because it makes stuff faster on your phone.
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I bet people are gonna be saying,
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you need to install X because it makes Facebook faster,
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like the Facebook app, which is probably not true.
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I don't think Facebook actually uses any web views
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that would honor the content blocker, but either way.
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- Right, that's a big problem though.
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That's a big problem in regular people's expectations
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of what this will do and won't do.
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So keep in mind, content blockers can't block anything
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that is not displayed in a Safari view controller,
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which people like Twitter and Facebook and everything
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are unlikely to use at least anytime soon if ever,
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especially as Facebook is pushing more towards
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their own news format that it shows in a custom way
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and they're an app that isn't even a web browser.
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So that's problem number one.
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Problem number two is you sell somebody an app
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that says this will block ads on your iPhone,
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but it doesn't block in-app ads,
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like ads that are not in a web view in an app.
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It only blocks ads in Safari and Safari View Controller.
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And as more and more browsing is happening
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in apps that aren't Safari,
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and in some of these apps that have their own custom stuff
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that aren't just launching Safari View Controller,
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the percentage of ads that people on mobile see
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that can be blocked by this
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is probably going down over time, not up.
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sure they're gonna work around it but I don't think it matters whether it
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actually blocks it it only matters that this this sort of it's kind of like
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quitting all your apps this sort of information slash mince of
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misinformation starts traveling think of the force quitting all your apps which
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we've talked about many times before that travel has traveled pretty well
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doesn't matter what effect it does or doesn't have all that matters is that
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people think it does something so I I'm going to guess that the idea that you
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should install a whatever on your iPhone because it will make whatever better. That idea has
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legs and that idea will get around and I think people will install a blocker and won't be
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able to tell whether it does anything and won't ever bother to uninstall it. So I'm
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going to say that the percentage might be as high as like 20%. Like I'm willing to go
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up around that range.
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Keep in mind also before I move on from this point though, keep in mind also the process
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of enabling a content blocker after you've installed it is so buried and complicated
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that it wouldn't surprise me at all if a lot of those people you just mentioned install
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it and never actually turn it on.
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That's a good point. I had forgotten about that part of the process. All right. So I
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guess we have to modify it too and not how many people will install one, but how many
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people will install it and also turn it on. All right. Now I dropped my estimate down
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Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like I think 10% is optimistic.
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All right. Anyway, but all of our numbers that we're throwing out there are well below
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50% and this is what I'm getting at and all the discussion and hemming and hauling about content blockers and all the New York Times
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Articles or whatever no one seemed to say oh and by the way all this thing they were kicking up a fuss about
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90% of the people aren't going to install in any way and so that I think is the one of the most important underlying
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Premises of any argument about what ad blockers are aren't going to do to the economics of the web or whatever and understand sites like
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Don't want to have 10 or 20 percent of their people not seeing their ads and that this is a problem or whatever
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but it's not the sort of Armageddon doomsaying
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about ad blocking.
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It's a little bit overblown unless the same people
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who are speaking doom and gloom are also going
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to boldly assert that doom and gloom is coming
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because X percentage of people are gonna install it
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and because that percentage is, you know,
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equals doom and gloom, right?
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And no one seems to ever wanna nail it down.
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No one's going to say,
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all these bad things are gonna happen,
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and by the way, I think all these things bad
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are gonna happen because 5% of people
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People are going to install ad blockers, and guess what?
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5% is enough to wipe out all publishing life on earth.
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They don't, like, no one thinks it's going to be 100%,
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but no, and I think it's going to be a pretty low,
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and I think this is an important move,
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and I think it will have effects.
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I'm not saying it's not going to do anything,
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but every time I think about this issue,
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we're just guessing this one.
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We're trying to figure out
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how many people are going to do this.
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And I'm thinking, meme-wise, best case scenario,
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it spreads as far and wide
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as the force quitting your apps thing spreads,
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which is surprisingly far, but even that one,
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I bet is less than 50%.
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I bet if you just picked 50% random iPhone users
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from the world, put them in a room and say,
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do you even know, like show them force quitting apps,
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you can't say words because they won't know
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what force quit or whatever, you know, it's Mac lingo,
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show them the thing and say, do you know what this is?
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Have you ever done this?
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And I bet more than half of them will be like,
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I don't even know what you just did.
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I don't know what that is.
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I don't know why I would ever do that.
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The other half would say, yeah,
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you do that 'cause it saves battery.
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I don't know, I see it a lot.
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I'm not saying you're wrong about any stretch,
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but I see it a lot.
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And just the other day when we were at a football game,
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the person in the row in front of me would open an app,
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do his thing, then go to the task switcher
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and force quit the app every single time.
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And it was maddening because I wanted to just be like,
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- Yeah, Apple needs to like,
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I don't know what Apple can do about that.
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It kind of got away from them.
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Like what can they do to stop people from doing that?
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I think a fun thing to do would to make the app switcher,
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I don't know, like make the application disappear
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when you switch away from, I don't know,
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I can't figure it out.
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Like once people know that it's there
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and they just like doing it, it's just,
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it's kind of like the same as the people
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who don't put their iOS devices to sleep,
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but shut them down every time they're done using them.
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And then like five minutes later, they boot it up again,
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then they shut them down.
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- There are people like that?
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- Yep, then they boot them up and they shut them down.
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And they're annoyed by how long it takes.
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They gotta see the Apple logo, it takes so long.
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- What do you do to stop that?
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Like you can show them the other way
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or you can try to convince them
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and they'll just say, "I like doing it this way.
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"I like it to be off.
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"I like it that we can play it off.
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"I don't like the idea of that it's on."
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I don't know, anyway.
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Yeah, so this, I have more to say on ad blockers
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but I think we've talked about them enough on past shows
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and we will circle back to it.
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Later on when we get to, I mean,
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because I think we're gonna eventually start getting numbers.
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Like the second round of stories about this
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to be like, "So iOS 9 has been out for six months, and here's a bunch of popular websites,
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and here's what they say about iOS users using iOS 9 or percentage..."
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You know, like, we'll get numbers on it, so we'll circle back then.
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Well, speaking of, our friend Ben Thompson is in the chat and has said that over 50%
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of Stratechery—he did embrace Stratechery, right?
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It's no longer Strateecary?
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Anyway, over 50% of Stratechery users have ad blockers.
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Now to his own point, it's a very geeky audience,
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but he got these numbers apparently
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by comparing Google Analytics numbers versus server logs.
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- Well, I wouldn't say that's a great comparison
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'cause of various JavaScript things
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and bots and everything else, but that's maybe a ballpark.
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But I think also what we're gonna see is
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we're gonna see a really big spike in those percentages
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if people have been tracking them temporarily
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because for the last few years,
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mobile traffic has been dominating so much
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that it's pretty common for typical sites
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to have over 50% of their traffic being mobile.
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And for all these years so far,
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there really haven't been mobile ad blockers
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in any meaningful numbers.
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So all of a sudden, like 50% of your traffic
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is now able to get ad blockers where it couldn't before.
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- Well it's not 50%, if it was 50% mobile,
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then that was like half Android and half iOS,
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depending on what kind of website you run.
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And the Android people, I'm assuming,
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have always been able to get ad blockers.
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Is that not the case?
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- I don't know.
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I don't think, I should have researched this.
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From what I've heard, I don't think there's like
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a standard reasonable system way to do it
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besides like some kind of like rooted thing
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that like interferes with DNS at the system level
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or something like that.
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But I don't think there's like a common way
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that people do it.
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- Well, there probably will be if there isn't already.
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- I don't know.
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I mean, I don't think Google will necessarily be
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leaving those hooks all over the place.
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- Yeah, but anyone can ship anything on Android, right?
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I don't know.
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We should ask the people on an Android podcast to find out.
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But anyway, all we're ever talking about is iOS.
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And again, in the circles we travel in
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and the friends we have, a lot of them run sites
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where the vast, vast, vast majority of people
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who are coming on mobile are coming on iOS,
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and the vast majority of people who are coming on desktop
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are coming on Macs, and it's a strange little world.
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When I was talking about sites that I thought
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barely started to push over to 3%,
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I'm talking about as mass-market as you can get.
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Like a, I'm not gonna say Slashdot and feel old or whatever,
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but you know, Ars Technica, Slashdot.
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- Slashdot was never mainstream.
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- But yeah, back in the day, it was all we had.
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Sites that are bigger than like an individual person's blog.
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Even just like Daring Fireball would be considered
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in the small camp because yeah,
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it's big for a one person thing,
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but it's not like an institution with lots of writers
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and 15 articles a day and so on and so forth.
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- All right, one last quick piece of follow up
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and then let's talk about all the new things
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that happened today.
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Ruggedized phones.
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- Yeah, this was in response to a couple shows ago
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I was trying to articulate for the millionth time
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this thing that I should have written down
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in a blog 17 years ago.
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The idea that product manufacturers
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can gain fanatical loyalty by making their products excel
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in a few ways and really sticking to that over the years.
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And one of those ways is rugged design.
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durability, doesn't have to be look fancy,
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doesn't have to be the best,
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doesn't have to be the cheapest,
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but if you have something that is reliably rugged,
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whether it's Fisher Price toys getting a reputation
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for like you buy this toy
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and the kid won't be able to break it,
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or I use Craftsman, although people say Craftsman
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has gone downhill or whatever,
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over the years if you really stick to that core value,
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you will get very loyal followers.
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And I said it's a shame that no one's doing that for phones
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because all the phones are pretty delicate and elegant
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and they're going for something different,
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like stylishness and chicness,
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and plus they gotta make millions of these things,
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so they're not gonna, you know.
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So where is the narrow focus manufacturer
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that's really concentrating on ruggedized phones?
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It's certainly not Apple.
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Well, so here's one example that someone sent in.
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Sorry, I lost the name,
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since this was feedback from a while ago.
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This is Sonim, or Sonim,
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and the example product is a Sonim XP7,
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which is a phone that looks like a rugged phone.
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It's just an Android phone
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with like tons of crap all over it,
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but it's like the things they claim
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about a long battery life,
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usable with gloves on, drop and impact resistance,
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oil and chemical resistant, temperature resistant,
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extreme pressure resistant,
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protection from micro particles,
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with powerful audio, waterproof, and puncture resistant.
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So here is a, you know, if you're going out in the woods
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and you wanna have a smartphone with you,
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and you don't wanna try to get an iPhone
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with like a screen protector in a case,
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someone is actually making ruggedized phones.
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This is a little bit more extreme.
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This is a little bit like those Toughbook things
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or those laptops that people would make for the military
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and stuff like that.
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I'm thinking more along the lines of like L.L. Bean
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or whatever, where it's regular person clothes,
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but they have a reputation for if not durability,
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then at least standing behind their stuff
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and it was like a zipper rips on your L.L. Bean jacket,
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you can get it replaced because they basically think
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that should never happen and if it does come to us
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and show us and we'll give you a new jacket or whatever.
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- Now we're gonna hear from those people.
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- The L.L. Bean people, I don't know.
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Anyway, I'm glad that, I mean,
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this is another advantage of Android.
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IOS is like whatever Apple decides to make.
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And if Apple decides that they don't want to make
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a smallish phone that's a little bit thicker
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that has longer battery life, tough luck.
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You can't get one with IOS like that.
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But Android has room for people
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to make different kinds of products.
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And so here, someone decided there's a market
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for ruggedized phones and they're using Android to do it.
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- I think most people just use cases
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to achieve these kind of goals.
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- Well, I mean, look at the goals.
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Like you can't achieve these kind of goals with just cases.
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- You can get pretty close.
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Cases can be surprisingly good.
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Yeah I mean I guess you just encase the phone in a Lucide brick or something like then you're
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good to go but this is trying to be integrated where it doesn't just look like a phone with
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it you know I don't know how good these phones are I've never tried them or whatever but
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I'm glad it's out there and it's good to see the market trying to find some way to fill
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the needs that a small group of people have but I still think it would behoove all like
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the major manufacturers whether it's Google or Apple or Samsung or whatever Samsung was
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actually doing pretty good too, but they were one of the first ones, the big vendors, to
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tout the fact that they make waterproof phones. But they didn't look waterproof, they were.
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And now people are taking iPhone 6s and dunking them in water and saying, "It's kind of
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waterproof-ish." Anyway, don't put your phone in water. Don't put your iPhone in water,
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if you can help it.
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Our first sponsor this week is Cards Against Humanity. And, as usual, Cards Against Humanity,
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rather than doing an ad, Reid has asked us to have Jon review a toaster.
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Around about this time, I think I should have Jason Sneller or somebody sing "Toaster or Not" because something arrived at my house.
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And it was a very large box, and on the outside of the box it said "Microwave and Convenience Oven."
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Toaster or not! Toaster or not!
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I gotta say that this box was not any bigger than the biggest toaster boxes I've gotten.
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So it was like comparably sized to the large toasters and the picture on the outside of
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it looked like, I don't know what that is.
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Maybe it's like a toaster microwave combination.
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I've already got had a toaster oven slot toaster combination.
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Maybe this is one of those things.
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This is how I get the model number.
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This is the the LG LCSP 1 1 1 0 s t.
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I know that model.
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Of course, the LCSP11110ST.
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It's the best.
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Yeah, I'll put the link in the show notes.
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You can take a look at it.
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Oh my god, it's huge.
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It's really big.
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I mean, I gave the inch measurements, but it is really big.
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So it looks like a microwave with a cash register, cash drawer below it.
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So it's a microwave on top, you know, a microwave door and a bunch of number pads and all that
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other stuff.
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And then underneath the thing is a silver sort of pull-out handle tray thing.
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And before I unpacked this thing, I had one idea about what it might be, and then as I
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unpacked it, I realized what it actually was.
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It's literally just a plain old microwave with a little rotating dish and all the other
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stuff and some really bad UI on the controls.
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And then underneath it is a very, very flat sort of miniature oven that you couldn't put
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anything in that's any higher.
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Like the whole thing I've had about it is you can put pizza in there or chicken nuggets,
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but that's about it.
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You pull out the drawer and there's maybe an inch or two of clearance in there.
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Put something in there and it's got like a little pan that you have to use.
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I guess you could put something else that's not a pan in there.
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But anyway, you can't see anything when it's inside there.
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You just slide it in.
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That little slot thing gets really hot really fast because it's a small area.
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But this is not a toaster.
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You can't really make toast in this.
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It doesn't claim to be a toaster.
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It's a convenience oven.
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Although this convenience oven is the least convenient oven ever because the only thing
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you can really cook in it is things that are very flat or frozen pizzas. And the controls
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are like, the controls are inscrutable. I don't want to dwell too much in the controls
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because I have one other thing I really want to yell about about this thing that is not
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related to the functionality. But the controls are like, press this one button repeatedly,
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and each one of these buttons corresponds to some kind of weird preset. So like, press
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it once and it'll be this temperature. Press it, you know, if you press bake once, it's
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425. If you press bake twice, it's 400. If you press bake three times, it's 375. If you
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bake four times it's 350. Like, A, you would never guess that and B, I mean it has the
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display and it shows you but B, you've got a number pad for crying out loud. Why are
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you making me hit like, it's like auto bake, auto defrost, press the pizza button.
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Yeah, it has an auto pizza button.
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Yeah, and you press that multiple times for different kinds of pizzas. Like seriously,
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just it's all just voodoo. Like you really just want at least a microwave works normally.
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The microwave you punch a bunch of numbers and it's starting and the numbers are like,
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know, fill the thing with minutes and seconds and that works in a
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straightforward way. So anyway, the microwave part of it is really small.
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It's only about one cubic foot inside the microwave part, but the overall
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device is very large. I removed my other microwave to make room for this thing
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and it barely fits. It's much taller than my other microwave and about as
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wide and as deep, but the inside is smaller. So it's very space-inefficient.
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You really have to be getting a lot of use out of that slide-out drawer
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miniature pizza oven thing to make this worth your while.
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You know, I can't think of anything
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that I'd ever want to use it for.
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And the microwave is only, what is it, 1,100 watts,
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which is pretty wimpy for a microwave.
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The oven part is 1,400 watts.
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I should have done this.
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I didn't try running them both at once.
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I probably would have blown the circuit breaker.
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No, maybe not, I don't know.
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Anyway, so I'm gonna declare this not a toaster.
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It is not a toaster oven.
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oven is not a slot toaster.
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And I'm not entirely sure who this is for.
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And holy cow, 200 and something dollars, $289.
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That is, I mean, it's not a bad microwave.
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We can use it to warm up dinner tonight.
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Like it's small, but the microwave part of it is fine.
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Like I said, the UI is not too messed up.
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But the oven thing, why is that even there?
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Maybe if you have frozen pizza a lot,
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it could heat up faster than your big oven,
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but you better hope your frozen pizza is small
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if it fit in that drawer.
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If it's a family size frozen pizza, it is not going to fit.
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I just think this is a bad, it's not a refrigerator toaster
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and it's still probably slightly more practical
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than the hybrid slot toaster oven,
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but this is not a toaster oven.
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It doesn't really make toast.
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So I give this a thumbs down.
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But all of that aside is one of the things
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that I think is the strangest worst thing I've ever seen
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in appliance in my entire life for people like me
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and perhaps for people like you.
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Took this thing out of the box, right?
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And if you're looking at the picture of it,
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on the front of it, there's like a brushed stainless steel
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part, and it had that like static cling plastic on it.
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You know, they put over stuff so it doesn't get scratched up
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in shipping.
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And I'm peeling out the static cling plastic,
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and it's a little bit difficult to peel off.
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And I'm like, oh, maybe it's got stuck in the drawer.
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So I pulled out the drawer, and it turns out
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the static cling plastic had sort of like
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been tucked under the lip.
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So you had to kind of pull the drawer out and pull
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the static cling plastic off of the inside
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of the lip of the drawer and stuff.
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And that was a little bit annoying.
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And then I looked at the top of it and there was a big sticker on top.
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And I'm going to say I'm a person who always wants to remove stickers from everything,
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but I'm going to go so far as to say everybody should remove stickers from everything.
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If you buy something from the store, like a dustpan or a broom or a vacuum cleaner or
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anything, a garbage can, and it has a sticker on it, take the sticker off.
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It's not there, it's not supposed to be there for the next 30 years as this garbage can
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says in your house.
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The sticker is just like to advertise at you in the store, it's not part of the product,
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please peel it off.
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Manufacturers please make that easy to do.
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Anyway, there's a sticker on top
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and I start peeling it off and it's difficult to peel.
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And I read the sticker
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and it's in like three different languages.
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It says, this product is coated with a clear vinyl
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for protection during shipping.
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You must remove this vinyl before using the product.
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Otherwise moisture will build up inside
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and bad things will happen and blah, blah, blah.
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Now I'm looking around on the thing.
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I'm like, well, I just peeled off all the static thing stuff
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from the front and that was a little annoying.
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Is that what they were talking about?
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But then it says, no, start peeling on back right edge.
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And I looked on the side and there's vents in the side of the thing.
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And the vents, like, I put, stick my fingers in them.
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There's no plastic blocking the vents, so it's not as if the entire vents were blocked up.
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But I was concerned because the bottom pizza part gets hot.
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Like, when you use it, it heats up considerably.
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So I didn't want to, like, have some plastic slowly melting to the thing, and that would be gross.
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So I go to the back right bottom edge, and I find the little edge of it.
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I'm like, "Oh, this entire, like, top, you know, it's all silver all around the whole thing."
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The entire top and sides is coated with this peel-off clear plastic.
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It's really hard to peel.
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And I start getting the edge and starting to peel the thing off.
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I think it's going to be like one of those big things, like a cable sasser, what does
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Competitive peeling, where he likes to peel off the big protective films in one big thing.
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So anyway, I'm peeling the thing off, and then I realize what's happening here.
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The top part of this oven thing, I don't know if you can see it in the pictures, this entire
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sort of silver top back case had this clear vinyl stuff stuck to it before assembly like on all edges
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oh no then they assemble the thing and now they want you to peel it off and as you peel
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it's impossible to get off cleanly because it's tucked in like as the pieces meet together the
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vinyl is tucked inside it so if you're trying to peel this thing off there is literally no and if
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And if you are sort of an anal retentive or obsessive compulsive person or like a neat
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– I'm using those words.
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Those are not the technical correct terms.
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If you are the type of person who likes things to be neat and tidy, you are either doomed
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to have a thing in your house that annoys you forever or to spend 17 hours with tweezers
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trying to pull this plastic crap out of the seams.
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Please, appliance manufacturers, never do this.
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It is cruel and unusual.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Either people aren't going to pull the vinyl off.
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They're going to ignore that sticker and it's going to be there forever.
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And it's probably fine because like I said, there are holes put in the vents.
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I don't see how it could have been a big deal.
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Or once you start peeling it and you realize what you're in for, you're like, "Oh no."
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So the thing is like this clear and it's all I can do every time I go over there is to
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stop trying to pick one of those little things.
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And of course, as you pick it out and it stretches and it rips, all it does is make the thing
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so small that you can't grab it anymore.
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Like the little toughs and, oh, the worst.
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I believe this is the worst thing, the worst thing that's ever happened to me from an appliance
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unpacking experience. If I had bought this I would have returned it immediately. Not
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that I ever would have bought this. Anyway, LG, I don't know what you are thinking. Like,
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I just, and never mind the fact that if there's any part of this that gets hot, like the parts
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that are down near the bottom, it's gonna slowly melt that plastic that's caught between
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the seams. Holy cow. I should take, if I had better like macro photography skills I would
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take a picture of this thing. It's just, it is the worst. So anyway, not a toaster, terrible
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vinyl wrapped around the whole thing, giant thumbs down.
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Is it a robot?
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Toaster or not.
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Thanks a lot to Cards Against Humanity for sponsoring our show once again.
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Alright, so today was it I believe? It was today within the last day or two as we record this.
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The Apple Music Free Trial ended for those of us who are day one adopters.
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Did you guys renew yes or no? I did not.
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I'm still on the fence, but I still use it occasionally.
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I probably don't use it 10 or $15 a month worth,
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but I do use it occasionally.
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- All right, what about you, Jon?
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Did you even do the trial?
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- I did, I did the trial, and for the most part,
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I was enjoying it.
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I've never used a streaming service before.
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Casey, you were in the same boat, right?
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I'm not gonna use Spotify, right?
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- That's correct, I use Spotify.
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Anyway, I'd never used a streaming service before,
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and so just the novelty of like,
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oh, I can go listen to any song I want whenever I want
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was interesting.
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And that part mostly worked,
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and I did look at the recommendations
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in the little for you section
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and tried to do some discovery stuff there.
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I kind of enjoyed wandering through their playlists
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and laughing at their playlists.
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I did discover Lana Del Rey,
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who I had never heard of before, through these lists.
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And what I did when I discovered an artist that I like
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is I just bought songs because I didn't want to just say,
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oh, add these in my collection,
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and then have to figure out later if I didn't renew.
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So anyway, I just found the songs
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and I bought them the old-fashioned way,
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like for $1.29 each.
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And so now when I didn't renew Apple Music,
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all those songs were still there.
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And I didn't renew, not because I didn't like it,
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it's just because I didn't like it
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whatever it is, like $15 a month worth.
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It was not working out economically speaking for me,
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because I do like a way to discover music,
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but realistically speaking, you can discover music,
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You can search for it anywhere, you can use some other streaming service, you can just
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ask friends and then go illegally download a song and then buy it for when you find the
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artist that you like.
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There are other ways to do music discovery than Apple Music.
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And Apple Music wasn't great, but it wasn't bad either.
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I don't know.
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I kind of like the idea that I could play whatever I wanted, it's just a little bit
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too expensive for me.
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The bugs that everyone complained about, I didn't get hit by any of those, but I was
00:32:43
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wary of them always, mostly because I think my music collection doesn't suffer from the
00:32:47
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things like, poor Jim Dow Rimp has got like 50 versions of the same song from different
00:32:51
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albums and album music gets all confused.
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I generally don't have that problem.
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If I do have lots of copies of the same song, they're like from CD rips and I name them
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differently, and iTunes is not confused by them because it can't make heads or tails
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of them, so it's just going by my metadata, which is all distinct.
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And album music really just, maybe it's because album music, like I said early on when we
00:33:12
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talking about the service just doesn't have enough of the obscure stuff that I like.
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Its selection of mashups, for example, is not great because most of those are illegal.
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And its selection of video game music is not really that great.
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Movie soundtracks it's a little bit better with.
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But anyway, I would like to continue to do it, but I couldn't justify the cost.
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I almost did it.
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I almost said, "You know what?
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I do like it."
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Just look at the price and I say I do not like it $15 a month birth
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I just don't I like iTunes match $25 a year worth easily
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So I'll just keep renewing that until they cancel the program and then I'll be sad
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But no didn't renew it but through no real fault of Apple music. I tried Spotify back in the day
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I'm just not
00:33:58
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the way I listen to music just doesn't lend itself to getting a lot of value out of streaming services because I'm very particular and
00:34:03
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I want to sort of pick the songs that I like and occasionally I want to go out into the wider world find new songs
00:34:08
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with new artists they like and I just bring them back to my collection and I listen to
00:34:13
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So, sorry Apple Music, but you know, and it was a little bit annoying when it was expiring
00:34:18
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because it kind of let me still use the UI and it kept bringing up this dialogue that
00:34:21
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says Apple Music has expired.
00:34:22
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I'm like, well, fine, hide it from the UI for me.
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Why do I have to go on iOS and say show Apple Music yes/no?
00:34:28
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Once it's expired, stop showing it.
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I don't know.
00:34:30
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Anyway, they're just trying to get me to resubscribe, but I'm glad I had successfully done, figured
00:34:35
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out how to stop the auto-renew because a few times I was paranoid about it. Is auto-renew
00:34:39
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really off? Is this going to auto-renew? It didn't auto-renew. Everything was fine.
00:34:43
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Yeah, they don't make that incredibly easy or clear, but I don't know. I think Apple
00:34:49
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Music on the whole is, I wouldn't necessarily say it's quite this bad, but it's kind of
00:34:56
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like Apple's Surface, where they really tried to have this no-compromises, everything all
00:35:04
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all in one thing with iTunes and your local music
00:35:08
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and iTunes match and Apple Music
00:35:11
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and throw in the connect thing,
00:35:13
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which I don't know if anybody's using that,
00:35:14
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like all the social stuff.
00:35:15
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So they're trying to throw all this stuff into one product
00:35:19
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and the usability I think suffered tremendously,
00:35:23
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first of all.
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Even if everything worked properly all the time,
00:35:26
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which it doesn't, but even if it did work properly
00:35:29
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all the time, it is a design disaster.
00:35:32
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It is really, really hard to use, to figure out, to know what mode you're in and where
00:35:37
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your music is and whether you have your music or not.
00:35:39
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It is really tough.
00:35:41
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And it's part of that, I think it's just that it's a really big problem to be solved and
00:35:45
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no one could have designed it well.
00:35:47
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But they also didn't design it that well.
00:35:51
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I think it could have been designed better, but even in the best implementation it wouldn't
00:35:55
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have been great just because the problem is too weird and complex to cram into a good
00:36:00
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But it is very confusing.
00:36:01
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It does have a lot of functionality,
00:36:03
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but it's very hard to find it, and it's very unreliable.
00:36:07
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In my experience, playing songs off of it,
00:36:11
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like I'll play through a whole album,
00:36:13
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and every third or fourth track will either be skipped,
00:36:17
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or it will stop in the middle,
00:36:18
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and then it'll advance to the next one.
00:36:20
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Like, it's very unreliable for me.
00:36:22
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- Is that over cellular?
00:36:23
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- No, that's on my desktop at home.
00:36:26
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- So I didn't have that problem.
00:36:28
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I tried it over cellular a few times,
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and I'm always in these zones where I get like one dot
00:36:32
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on my stupid cell signal, so I blamed it on that.
00:36:34
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But desktop, it's always more or less worked for me.
00:36:37
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I haven't had any big delays.
00:36:38
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The songs start playing immediately,
00:36:40
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never skipped, never did.
00:36:41
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Maybe I was just like, yeah, I'm obviously not a heavy user
00:36:43
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and I have heard people reporting what you said,
00:36:45
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but that's the thing with like things that have,
00:36:48
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that are largely or in this case,
00:36:50
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like primarily a server-side phenomenon,
00:36:53
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depending on what the weather is like in iCloud, you know?
00:36:56
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Like if it's bad weather when you're trying to do it,
00:36:58
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piece of crap and nothing works, right? And if it's good, again, it goes back to like the bits on
00:37:02
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your disk are the same as the bits on my disk, but depending on what the weather is like in Apple
00:37:05
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Server Farm that day, it could just totally not work and be a piece of crap, and then when I do
00:37:09
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it, everything could be fine because it's a different time. And it's, you know, the servers
00:37:13
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are responding now. They're actually, you know, or maybe I'm getting different ones because it's like,
00:37:17
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you know, it's UIP routing for a different CDN or whatever the hell it is. That's the frustrating
00:37:22
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and inscrutable thing about cloud services. It's like, it's not just one thing that you can get
00:37:26
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get your hands on it. It really is more like the weather.
00:37:29
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Yeah, and unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of problem where Apple historically has
00:37:35
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done very badly. They really aren't as good as the other tech giants at making sure that
00:37:42
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things that are dependent on internet infrastructure and CDNs and everything being different in
00:37:47
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different places, making sure that works well for the most number of people. Apple traditionally
00:37:52
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is not very good at that. Netflix does it way better. Amazon and Google do it way better.
00:37:56
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Facebook I think is their own universe over there.
00:38:00
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They do it fine.
00:38:01
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I mean, it just seems like this is the kind of thing
00:38:03
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that Apple does not do very well.
00:38:05
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And they haven't.
00:38:06
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- It's an insidious problem because you can imagine
00:38:09
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complaining to an Apple executive like,
00:38:11
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hey, I tried to use your thing and it didn't work
00:38:14
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or whatever and they could be like,
00:38:17
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I'm totally gonna fix that for you.
00:38:18
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That's unacceptable, I've gotta have that work.
00:38:20
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And so maybe they'll try it themselves
00:38:22
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and it'll probably work.
00:38:23
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And they'll go back to the team and they'll be like,
00:38:25
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this person said this thing happened and, you know, whatever.
00:38:28
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And they'll be like, well, you know, what are you talking about?
00:38:30
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Everything's fine.
00:38:31
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Like it's always fine when you look like after the fact.
00:38:34
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And if it was just bad weather that day, like, well, well, you know,
00:38:38
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if you're not if you're not really obsessive about metrics and measuring
00:38:43
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measuring the actual experience of all of your users,
00:38:46
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it's very easy to convince yourself and others inside the company
00:38:50
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that everything's fine because look at our uptime.
00:38:52
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It's like this number of nines.
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and we are always up and we're always responding
00:38:56
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and our response times are good and so on and so forth.
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It's like, what is the end user experience?
00:39:02
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Maybe your servers are up
00:39:03
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but maybe your network routing is messed up
00:39:05
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or maybe for some point there was some corrupted CDN
00:39:07
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that was giving bad data that was causing the thing
00:39:10
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to repeatedly retry or whatever.
00:39:12
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If that stuff isn't visible to you,
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you can think everything is great.
00:39:15
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You can think all the metrics,
00:39:18
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all the things that you're measuring are great.
00:39:19
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Every time an executive gets angry
00:39:20
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and checks for him or herself, everything is fine.
00:39:23
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But then when you go to the engineering team, they're like, you know, and you try to tell them what the problem is
00:39:28
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Like well show me show me what's wrong and every time you know, every time an active executive does it it works great, right or
00:39:33
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Maybe it doesn't work for a second, but they try it again and it works and like oh, I guess everything's fine
00:39:38
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It's so easy to convince yourself that there's nothing that needs to be done
00:39:41
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Because you don't have the same experience as someone else had or you have it for a second and then it gets better
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It's like well, I guess this is fixed forever. I never need to look at this again
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It's you know server-side stuff
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You have to have a different philosophy than you do like making products is making products
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You look at them how they come off the line and they measure like return rates and stuff
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And I think they have a handle on how to figure out whether they're making quality products in that way
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but for service I stuff I think they just don't have I
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Feel like if they had the metrics
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They would be improving more rapidly. Whatever metrics they have are
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Convincing them that things aren't as bad as they are and maybe the only one they care about is like in the end
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I don't care about this crap all I care about is customer stat right customer satisfaction
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It's like in the high 90s and everything's fine
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And then I just get back to success hides problems because there are lots of things that are awesome about Apple and iOS devices
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And we all love them
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But that can hide the fact that as Marco said and I think as we all kind of feel
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They're a little bit behind everyone else in the cloud stuff in terms of reliability not a lot
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It's not a piece of crap. It does it works. You know
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Most of the time in fact the vast vast vast majority of the time. It's like but when it doesn't work
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It is just so infuriating and you can only do that a certain number of times before people are like you know what?
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I'm just gonna use Dropbox because Dropbox failed me once in the three years
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I've used it and this has failed me once in the one year. I've used it therefore
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You are bad like what do you mean once in the year? We have five nines. We're blah blah blah
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it's like yeah, but Dropbox seems more reliable and I
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Know that's that's the world of server-side. It's tough
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You know, it's to come back to why why not renew Apple music for in my case anyway
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I loved the Siri integration being able to say, you know
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Siri play such-and-such album or play songs by such-and-such artists. That was awesome. Really really liked it
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I also kind of liked being able to say, you know, I really like this album
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Just treat it as though I own it and I know that's a very polarizing
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Approach some people love that some people hated it. I liked it
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But what I kept coming back to was I just didn't care for the way in which you
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find music within iTunes, and I know it's so
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It's so obvious to complain and moan about iTunes and so I'm not going to go on about it
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but suffice to say I just really didn't care for the interface in iTunes and I
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UI I mean it has its own problems for sure
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But if I want to find and play a piece of music in Spotify, it's very quick and very easy.
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And I found an Apple Music on both the Mac and on iOS. Maybe it's just I think differently.
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Maybe this is another example of Twitterific versus Tweetbot.
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You know, in that sense I come down from in the Tweetbot camp. Twitterific is somewhat inscrutable to me.
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And in this case, I come down in the Spotify camp. It doesn't mean that Spotify is by necessity better.
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It's just it works better for my brain. And so that's why I'm not renewing. Plus,
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I'm kind of the DJ for the house, so I didn't need to worry about family things.
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Erin very rarely listens to music that isn't on the radio. So, and Beats 1 was not her thing.
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So that's why I did it.
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But there's certainly a lot to like with Apple Music for sure, and I don't want to lose sight of that because there's
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It is pretty damn magical to say play songs by, you know, Bill Withers or something and next thing you know,
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you're listening to some pretty good
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Pretty good music. So there's stuff like just wasn't for me
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I like the aesthetics of Apple music better than Spotify that the one time I tried Spotify
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Maybe six months ago for an extended period I don't know if it was there
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Their weird icon or the color the way the UI looks it just looked like it was like a weird non-native web
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So I guess all the stuff in iTunes is webby stuff. Anyway, it just taste wise it seemed it
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Didn't match my taste as well as the Apple music stuff does functionality wise it was fine
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but it seemed a lot like I was using like, I don't know, like a weird, it was
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like a GUI made with Linux or something. It didn't look right, it didn't
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fit, and just it was not pleasant to look at. Apple stuff is
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always pleasant to look at, but a lot of it I would struggle to find the UI or
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I'd say like, "Oh, you've got a big giant play button on this recommended
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playlist for me. It would be nice to have more functionality here until I click
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into it or whatever, but I thought whoever did like the sort of, it's basically web design,
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whoever did the web design for Apple Music did a pretty good job. They have a lot of
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nice artwork and most of the things they present you have. I'm always surprised the amount
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of sort of custom artwork they have available for artists and playlists and stuff. They
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did a lot of work to basically add graphics for even the most obscure artists, not just
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album art, but also background images, pictures of the artists and stuff like that. And color
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themes and all the other stuff they do. It's actually something inside iTunes that I think
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looks nice, which is a nice change.
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All right. Any other thoughts, Marco? Or are you good?
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Nah, I think I'm good. I mean, I'm going to keep using it because I do like—when
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I want to go explore and find new artists, I do like being able to go and play their
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entire album straight through, or at least most of the songs, or the first half of most
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of the songs before they die and cut out. That part is very frustrating. But I do like
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I like the idea of being able to play through
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an entire album before I buy it.
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That being said, it's just so half-assed.
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Like the whole, all of Apple Music is so half-assed.
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I feel like I should probably try something else instead.
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Because, and ultimately, unfortunately,
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Apple Music has really destroyed the iOS Music app.
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It hasn't done as much damage to desktop iTunes.
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up iTunes, I can still use my way and it mostly doesn't get in the way. If canceling my membership
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to Apple Music would restore the iOS music app to the way it was before, I would do it
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in a heartbeat. You know, it seems like Apple Music is here to stay and it's going to keep
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taking prominence in Apple's stuff because it is an important business interest they
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have. So the business needs of Apple Music are going to keep influencing the direction
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of music and music integration on all of their platforms. And they've shown repeatedly that
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they're very, very happy to destroy iTunes and iOS music app usability in the name of
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promoting the new thing they're doing in music. And right now it's Apple Music and that's
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probably going to be the thing for a while. I wish things were better there. I wish either
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that they didn't destroy it in the name of Apple Music,
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or that just Apple Music was better than it is.
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And maybe over time it will get better, I hope it does.
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- We're still ripe for, as we talked about
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when Apple Music was announced,
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we're still ripe for a photos-like simplification
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and unification of music.
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They're close to it now, right?
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They're lurching towards it with iTunes Match
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and Apple Music, and this whole, you know,
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they've done a reasonable integration of like,
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hey, if you sign up for Apple Music,
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you have the access to all this music,
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and you can say whether you like it or not,
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And like Casey said, you can add it to your collection,
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now it's like your music,
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and you can actually also still buy it,
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so that if you, like I did,
00:47:00
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so if you unsubscribe from Apple Music,
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these songs don't go away because you actually bought them,
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but you discovered them through Apple Music.
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They're close, it just doesn't need to be 17 different plans
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all integrated with each other.
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It just needs to be one unified interface
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where every single song in the world
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is either part of your music,
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part of your music that you own,
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or it'll go, I mean, it's basically conceptually
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the same as what it is now.
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Like, I'm just describing exactly what the situation is now,
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but it's complicated now because it is,
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there's iTunes with nothing,
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there's iTunes match which you pay for separately,
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and there's Apple Music which you pay for separately.
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And there are separate tabs that you go to
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that are specific to Apple Music,
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then there are ones that are just your music,
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then there's a hybrid.
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Like, I'm not subscribed to Apple Music anymore,
00:47:39
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but I still have the hearts next to my things,
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and I can click on them and it encourages me.
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It says, yeah, click on more hearts,
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'cause that will tell us what kind of songs you like.
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I'm like, you're not gonna recommend anything to me anymore
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because I'm unsubscribed from Apple Music,
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and there's still iTunes,
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oh, forgot about iTunes Genius.
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There's still iTunes Genius,
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or maybe is the genius using the hearts?
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That's still there.
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There's a lot-- I don't know.
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There's a lot of crap in there.
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And so I think they've got all the functionality.
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It just needs to be like history eraser button, clean slate,
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and say, OK, we're finally admitting that music
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collections live in the cloud like photos.
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We keep the canonical copies.
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You can tell your Mac to download all of them.
00:48:13
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Basically, what they did with photos
00:48:14
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only was much, much better performance, please,
00:48:16
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and fewer bugs.
00:48:17
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But conceptually, they have everything that they need.
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They finally agreed that the files on your disk
00:48:25
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aren't the canonical copy that they can kind of do.
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iTunes match, iTunes in the cloud matching things,
00:48:29
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and they just need to get better about like the,
00:48:31
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sort of keeping track of everything they did.
00:48:33
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Hey, we found this file on your computer on this date,
00:48:36
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and this was the file, and we're never gonna get rid of it,
00:48:38
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we're gonna preserve it forever,
00:48:39
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but by the way, if you would like to replace it
00:48:41
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with this DRM-free 256 kilobit blah, blah, blah song,
00:48:45
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you can, but if we did the wrong matching for us,
00:48:47
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tell us and you can get your old one back.
00:48:50
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I feel like anybody who's used any of these features
00:48:51
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can spec out everything that they want.
00:48:53
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And it's a massive simplification if you just say,
00:48:55
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this is not seven programs and 15 features.
00:48:57
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This is one thing, they should have just called it
00:48:59
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Apple Music, just like it's called Photos or whatever.
00:49:02
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It's one thing and there are different things
00:49:04
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that you can pay for for different services
00:49:06
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and it is completely unified and it's just like
00:49:08
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a cloud-based music library with streaming features
00:49:13
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and all that other stuff.
00:49:14
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So I don't know if that also has to come
00:49:16
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with an iTunes rewrite, I don't know if that has to come
00:49:17
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with a backend rewrite as they slowly unify,
00:49:20
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iTunes Genius, iTunes Match, and all the other stuff,
00:49:22
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but I think we are going in the right direction.
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We're just, we are in a transitional phase now.
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real-time follow-up you can get rid of what Apple calls "loves". They're not likes
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because "like" is not passionate enough for a company like Apple. Apple loves music
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and also probably Facebook has a trademark on "likes" or whatever. Anyway.
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I think Eddie Q loves music. Yeah. So in iTunes preferences under the general
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tab in preferences there's a pop-up menu for ratings you can pick stars, loves, or
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stars and loves. So I guess I can go to it and change it back to stars and not see the
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loves anymore but... Wait, what's the difference? Oh, the stars are the one through five, I
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Yes, and the loves are the hearts, and the hearts are relevant to Apple Music.
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I was doing that when I was going through their playlist and saying, "Well, I like this,
00:52:48
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I like that," and so it can recommend songs for you and it encourages you.
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It says, "Good, keep clicking those hearts because that lets us know what you like and
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we can make better playlists for you."
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But now that I'm not subscribed to Apple Music, it's not going to be making any more playlists
00:52:59
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for me, unless iTunes Genius is still in there, but it probably isn't.
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I always disabled iTunes Genius because it always made iTunes either crash or gobble
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up memory until memory was exhausted on my machine, which was always fun.
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And I'd watch it in the process thing.
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It would grow by like a gigabyte a minute, right?
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And that has bad effects after not too many minutes.
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And the only way to get it to stop back in the day was for me to just deactivate Genius.
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I've had it off everywhere.
00:53:26
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Like every time I launched iTunes, it'd be like, "Trying to send Genius to it?"
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I'm like, "No, stop.
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Don't do that.
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Whatever it is you're doing, you're not going to do it well.
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Anyway, iTunes is confusing.
00:53:36
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Alright then. Do you know what? Do you want to wear the pajamas with stars or
00:53:41
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would you prefer the pajamas with cars? Read that book all the time. What? It's a
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Sandra Boynton book. It's a reference. Don't worry about it. I know, I know a lot
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of her books. I don't know that one. Night-night little pookie. Anyway, moving
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on. So I received an iPhone 6s and Aaron received a iPhone 6s. Marco, I presume
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you and Tiff both received iPhone 6s? That's right. That makes everybody in the
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world except John. That is correct. I'm gonna have one in the house eventually. My wife's
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gonna get one. Just think of all the things you could be force pushing in the meantime.
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I know. I got to try one at work. I was excited by it. This is the big story, I think. Now
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that everyone has their successes, you guys have it, and everyone else in the world who
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ordered on day one has their thing, the word on the street is that 3D touch, please don't
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call it force touch anymore, is the bee's knees.
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- I would agree with that.
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With an asterisk, I think it's very cool.
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I think it's going to be even cooler.
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The problems I have with 3D touch,
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the biggest one is I forget that that's a thing,
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and so I don't think to try it.
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And the other problem is a lot of third party apps
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just haven't embraced it yet,
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which I mean, it's not third party developers' faults.
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They barely had any time with it so far.
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But like when I discovered it in Instagram,
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I just thought it was the most amazing thing ever.
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And I've been 3D touching all the things,
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which is kind of funny because--
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Because most of the touch targets in Instagram
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that do have a 3D touch affordance
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are fairly small because they're text.
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I really like the 3D touch.
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I think it's very, very cool.
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I'm very anxious and excited to see what third party
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devs do with it in the future.
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And what was very interesting to me was,
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somebody retweeted somebody else that I retweeted,
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we'll put the link in the show notes,
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apparently it's available via JavaScript as well.
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So you can do this on the web as well.
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I don't know if that's gonna be useful or not,
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but I just think that's kinda cool that it's exposed,
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whether or not anyone ever does anything neat with it.
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- Yeah, I have a similar problem as you
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where I keep forgetting that it's a thing I can do,
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but I'm sure over time that we'll all get used to it
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and consider it a really cool shortcut.
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There is a significant discoverability issue with it,
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where there's really no way to tell
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that something can be force-touched
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without just pushing all over the place
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and just seeing what happens.
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And I kinda worry that it's gonna be a little bit
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like the old days of Siri,
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where we're gonna try it on a bunch of stuff,
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most of it's not gonna work,
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and then we're just gonna forget
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to try it again for a while.
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You know, that happened a lot with Siri at the beginning,
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where it would fail a couple times,
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and you'd be like, "Well, I guess I'm not gonna try
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"that again."
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- But even Siri, I think the 3D Touch
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has the same effect as Siri in that people are like,
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"Well, Siri's messed up and doesn't do what I want,
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"but I still use it to set timers,
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"but I still use it to set reminders."
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Like, everyone found the one really, really easy thing
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they could have Siri do,
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so maybe people are gonna 3D touch everything,
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not find any new places to use it,
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but the two places where they do use it,
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they're gonna use it there all the time.
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- Siri still can't start the stopwatch.
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- I know, I know.
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I also can't set reminders for, what is it, 10 minutes?
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Whatever its frequency is, it drives me nuts.
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"Sorry, I can't set something that frequent."
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Why, why can't you do it?
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Wait, what do you have to be reminded of every 10 minutes?
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Stir the sauce, man.
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Remind me to stir the sauce every 10 minutes.
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Siri's like, "Sorry, I can't do that."
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You don't care about my sauce, Siri?
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You just want it to stick?
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You just want it to burn on the bottom?
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I'm so glad I asked.
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So seriously, that is my use case for it.
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So then what I have to do is remind you to stir the sauce in 10 minutes, and then it
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does, and then I've got to set another reminder for the next 10 minutes.
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I don't understand how this is better
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than setting it every 10 minutes.
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Speaking of iOS things that are,
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I guess maybe they're, the only thing I can think of
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is like, it's going off all the time
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and people don't know how to stop it or whatever.
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That's the only logic I can think of,
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or maybe they're afraid it's gonna hurt battery life.
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I have no idea.
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Anyway, I had someone today who had a problem
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with their iPhone and wanted to come over
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and have me look at it and see if I could fix their iPhone.
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I'm like, oh, what is this gonna be?
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Maybe they got that thing wedged
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they're gonna need the whole machine re-image,
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or they're gonna have to do an iTunes backup locally
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and then restore it from the backup
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or force an application to download
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or do something like that.
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No, what actually happened is they had
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triple tapped the home button.
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And it enabled voiceover.
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And they're like, it's like,
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all it does is say everything that's on the screen.
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It was iOS 6.
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Anyway, yeah, I turned that off for them.
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But yeah, I guess that's the thinking behind
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the not every 10 minutes.
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But anyway, circling all the way back to 3D Touch,
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yeah, I think that's, as I said in the impasse shows,
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the lack of discoverability is going to be a detriment,
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especially in the beginning when apps haven't implemented it
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so you have to experiment.
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Like, boy, I wonder, you know,
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the first update comes and they say
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they have 3D Touch support.
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I wonder what the hell they did.
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Or does this app have 3D Touch support?
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I'll just start shoving things.
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But the benefit is that if you're not into 3D Touch,
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My brief experience with the 6S's of friends that I've tried
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and from talking to people is that
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if you don't know 3D Touch is this, it doesn't bother you.
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Like it doesn't get in your way.
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It is not an essential feature that you have.
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Like the lack of discoverability is a feature
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and a detriment.
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It's a detriment to people like us
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who really wanna be like power users
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and make sure we're using things in the most efficient way.
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And so we're going to be shoving our fingers into the screen
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to find out where we can use it.
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But for everybody else, if they don't know 3D Touch exists,
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it does not bother them at all.
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And so it is completely invisible.
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It's a feature that is a benefit if they know it's there
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and it is not a detriment if they don't know it's there.
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Which is the best kind of thing
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because I can imagine someone will have a success
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for like a year and then someone will show them
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3D touch on the camera or they'll do it accidentally once
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and be like, wow, that's great.
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Although the default settings,
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I was surprised at how hard I had to press.
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I don't know if anyone would do it accidentally.
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The first time I tried to 3D touch something,
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I long pressed it and all the icons started wiggling
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'cause I wasn't pressing hard enough.
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That's the defaults.
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I knew it was there.
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So what is that, three settings,
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like soft, medium, hard, or whatever.
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- Also in the 6S, the Taptic Engine, really like it.
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Can't really tell you why, I just like it.
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I feel like it's much crisper vibration.
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I found, I caught myself constantly mashing on
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like the Tweetbot icon on my home screen,
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just to get that doo doo doo.
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I find it so entertaining, I don't know why,
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it's the silliest thing in the world.
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But I really enjoy the Taptic Engine.
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I think it's well done.
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It's worth a little bit of extra weight,
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'cause that's what everyone's been saying, right?
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That that and the 3D Touch sensors
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is the added weight over the 6, is that right?
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- Or maybe it could also just be the shell.
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Like the shell got thicker
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and a little bit heavier and stuff, so.
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- Yeah, it's only a handful of grams anyway,
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so I think it's probably everything,
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but I would imagine the screen is the majority of it
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because the Taptic Engine is mostly air
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and it's probably less dense than the battery
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that it replaced.
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- Yeah, that's probably true.
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I did, when I first got the phone, I did immediately notice that it was, it felt substantially
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I think that's unfair.
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I think it was just heavier enough that I noticed it versus the 6.
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Now that I haven't held my 6 in several days, I don't feel like it's any different at all.
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I put the 6S in the Apple leather case that the 6 was in, and that seemed to be just fine.
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It seems a little tighter, but nothing egregious.
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So thumbs up for 3D Touch, thumbs up for the Taptic Engine.
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Live photos, two thumbs as high as I can possibly reach.
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I think it's extremely cool.
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And the thing about live photos that I think is going to be really cool is looking at a
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live photo in a year, or in two years, or in three years.
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Because I'm a very loyal user of Picture Life, and as with many of these sorts of services,
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the Photos app on iOS, if you 3D touch that on the home screen, you can look at, you know,
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the pictures you've taken a year ago, or two years ago, or six years ago, or ten years
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ago, if your library goes back that far.
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And I always love seeing those pictures.
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When I wake up in the morning, that's one of the first things I do, is go to the PictureLife
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app and look at those pictures, because I always get great memories from them.
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But there are definitely times that I will look at these pictures and have no friggin'
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idea why I took that picture or what it was off. And granted, Live Photos doesn't guarantee
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that that problem will be fixed, but it certainly helps. And seeing a picture of Declan just
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kind of sitting there looking adorable, but then giving it a little push and seeing the
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context of that picture, it's just genuinely magical. And I love it. And the problem I
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I have with live photos is that I love it so damn much that it almost makes me give
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pause to picking up my beloved Olympus Micro Four Thirds camera because I don't want to
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give up on that context on these pictures.
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Aren't you annoyed by the low frame rate and low resolution?
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You will be in a decade.
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Oh, oh, oh, absolutely I will.
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But today, no.
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And I think it's because I understand that we just, well, I'm assuming, I should say,
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that we just don't have the grunt to be able to do all that at once.
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But yes, in a decade I will be annoyed by it, but I would probably still just appreciate
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having that context over having no context at all.
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Yeah, and I think it's maybe the grunt, but probably even more of a factor is the size.
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If they had, you know, if they cranked up the size, cranked up the frame rate, assuming
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this was technically possible, cranked up the quality of the compression or whatever,
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then you know, people take a lot of pictures.
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If you turn all those pictures into three-second videos, that really adds up, especially on
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16 gigabyte phones, anyway.
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Yeah, I think that has to be a factor.
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I'm just thinking of like,
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when my kids were born on babies and stuff,
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I was recording them on mini DV tapes,
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like camcorder camcorders in standard def,
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and they look awful.
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I mean, like that's just, you know,
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my childhood pictures are like in 16 millimeter
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or whatever, eight millimeter, whatever size film,
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as in, you know, video film type stuff was.
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So yeah, you can't help that.
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That's gonna be, you know, is the way it's been.
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The thing about live pictures is,
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it's going to be a gorgeous 12 megapixel photo
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surrounded by really low resolution,
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sub 30 frame rate video.
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So, yep, better than nothing and kind of neat.
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But actually, Casey, I'm wondering how you decide,
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is it just a toggle on/off,
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like do live pictures all the time
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or is it on a per shot basis?
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How do you decide what to make live pictures
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or do you even have that choice?
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So in settings, I think there's a general,
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is it even available setting if memory serves?
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- Well, it's just like HDR,
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where it's a thing you push during the capture screen.
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And you can turn it on, you can leave it on,
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or you can turn it on and off shot by shot.
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But it works just like HDR does.
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- Yeah, and that's what I was driving at,
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is that there's a little kind of like button
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on the heads up display in the Photos app
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that will let you toggle it on and off.
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But I could have sworn I had seen
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that there was a live Photos,
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I guess I'm crazy.
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I'm looking now and I don't see it anymore.
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I thought that I'd seen just a general,
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can you do a live photo, yes or no, in the settings app.
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I think I'm wrong.
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And what I was gonna say is what Marco just said,
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that as you're taking a photo, as you're in the camera,
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at the very top, there's what looks almost like a target.
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I'm not really sure why this is the live photos icon,
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but it's on the top dead center
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and that turns live photos on and off.
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- So what do you do?
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Do you have it on all the time?
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or do you use-- - Yes, no,
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it's on all the time.
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- I think also, by the way,
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I think I saw this on the web,
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I haven't tried it myself,
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that even if you take everything in live photo mode,
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you can selectively, is this right,
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decide that after you've taken the live photo,
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that you just want it to display
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as a regular photo in your collection?
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- I think that's right.
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- Seems like it'd be a simple thing to do,
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it'd basically just saying, just show the picture,
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ignore the live photo-y part of it,
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even if it was recorded.
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I don't think it deletes the live photo-y part of it,
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I think it just toggles it off.
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Either way, like Auto HDR and other settings
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that are up there in the weird swipey interface
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in the Apple camera, I imagine people are probably
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gonna either have live pictures on all the time
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or turn it off, especially in the beginning.
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If they turn it on all the time and they fill
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their stupid 16 gigabyte phones with hundreds
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of tiny videos, then maybe in their consultation
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with the Apple genius and their frustration,
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it'll come up and say, well, one way you can save space
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is to not do all these live pictures every time.
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or maybe people will find it annoying.
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Because here's the other aspect of live pictures
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that I'm speculating about
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because I'm not using a phone that has them.
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If you have it on all the time,
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there is the high potential for situations
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when taking photos of adults
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where the before and after three seconds of video
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is not flattering.
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And not that you don't want it,
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but I mean, some people are weird
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about having the picture taken at all.
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You wanna capture the incident when they're smiling,
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the incident before and after
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when they're making a weird face.
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They're not like kids where they're cute all the time.
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Maybe they're not happy that you have those
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one and a half seconds bracketing
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the reasonable picture, right?
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So I wonder if that's also gonna be a social issue.
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If you have live photos on all the time
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or people are gonna be wary
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when you're taking pictures of them,
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that they don't just have to be pleasant
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and smiling for an instant,
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they have to make sure that they're not making
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a weird face three seconds on either side.
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I don't know.
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- Yeah, you make a fair point,
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But I think in the end of the day,
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it's just going to be awesome to be able to,
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as I keep coming back, to have that context
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around the photo.
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And even if it's somebody giggling beforehand
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or making a funny face, in some ways,
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that almost makes the picture better.
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So you have the still life posed picture,
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but the goofy face that led up to it or what have you.
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I don't know, Marco, you haven't said much about it.
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What do you think about all this?
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- So Tiff sent me my first received live photos today.
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She and Adam were, she went to pick them up from school
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and they were out playing in a muddy baseball field
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near our house and she sent me a live photo of Adam
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like stomping on a giant mud puddle.
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And it was pretty cool to watch.
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I kind of got it then.
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I was like, oh, this is kind of nice.
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It wasn't a video, I mean it was a very, very short
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video clip with a photo that previewed it basically.
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So an actual video would have done a way better job
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of showing the moment if it was intended to be in motion.
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But it's a lot like the debate between,
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like you were saying, between using the iPhone camera
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versus using your fancy mirrorless.
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And when you have your phone camera
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versus some other type of camera,
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one thing that is relevant, that is important,
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is like, what are you gonna actually use?
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People say the camera that you have with you
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is the most important camera.
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Like, what are you actually gonna use?
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Like if you're actually going to take a picture
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and think about it and get out your mirrorless camera,
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great, it'll be way higher quality
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than what you can get with your iPhone.
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But if you, you know, the fact is
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you're not gonna have it all the time,
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and so you're better off not missing a moment
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and just capturing it with something
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rather than waiting until you have
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the better camera out to capture it.
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And so with live photos, I think it's gonna be
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a similar kind of thing where it's like,
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yes, you are better off switching over to video mode
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and capturing a 4K video if what you want
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is to capture this moment in time in a moving format.
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Like video, an actual intentionally shot video
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is going to be better at that for most cases.
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But with live photos on, you can kind of,
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you can get like half of the benefit of a video
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with every picture without really having to think about it,
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without having to choose that mode.
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So that, I think you're gonna get a lot more,
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like there are so many moments where you wanna
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take a picture and then like, you know, afterwards
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like, oh I wish that was, I wish I had a video of that also.
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Like that happens a lot.
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And so this does solve that.
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And it isn't, I don't think it's the best implementation.
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There's a number of implementation details
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that I would nitpick about.
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The quality is a big one.
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The fact is it's good enough when you're looking
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at it on a phone.
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And that is how most people are looking at most pictures
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these days, which is unfortunate because as technology
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as phones get bigger, as screens get better,
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these might not age very well compared to what they could be
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if they were higher resolution
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and especially higher frame rate would be nice.
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But, you know, I assume we will solve that over time.
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I really hope that the low resolution and low frame rate
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were decided for technical reasons
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of like this is what the sensor can do
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rather than we don't wanna take up more space
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in our 16 gig phones that we keep selling.
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I really hope that was the reason.
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I don't know.
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I don't feel as bothered by the low frame rate, nor the low resolution.
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I agree with both of you.
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In a perfect world, it would probably be better to have both.
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But it just really doesn't bother me.
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In fact, I would almost go so far as to say that part of the charm of it is that it's
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really a picture that has a little motion around it.
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And I think you hit the nail on the head, Marco, that if you're trying to catch motion,
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a live photo is not the right way to do it.
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A live photo, like I was saying before, is to capture a single photograph that gives
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you a little bit of context around it.
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And if you really want to capture video, again, I couldn't agree more that the right way
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to do it is to capture video.
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But I think the low frame rate, and even to a lesser degree, the low resolution is kind
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of, I don't know, adorable in its own way, because it's kind of janky in a kind of
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I don't know.
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That probably sounds really contradictory, but I kind of like it.
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- It's like Instagram and the filters.
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You want it to look like old 70s type photo.
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- Right, except that you don't have the high-res original
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saved to your camera roll.
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- Yeah, fair point.
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- Well, and also it's not harkening back to any real past
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that actually existed unless you're considering like,
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remember what your video looked like in 1990?
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Digital video, it was low frame rate and crappy wrist.
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- It's almost vine-like.
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Like when you watch it, it's almost like a vine.
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I mean, it's a lot shorter and that's noticeable,
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but the benefit of it,
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and you can kind of loop it a couple times,
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Like it is kind of viney and I like that about it.
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- Did you know, this is an OS feature,
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I was messing with my thing the other day,
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I think it was in Twitter maybe,
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and I was swiping my finger on the screen
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when an animated GIF was playing,
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and you could scrub back and forth on the GIF.
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Is that an OS level feature for displaying GIFs in Safari
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or is that an app feature?
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- I didn't think so.
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- You can go, it isn't just pausing it,
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you can actually go back and forth.
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- Yeah, no, I move my thumb back and forth
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and it would go forward, back, forward, back, you know.
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It was a neat way to do it.
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Anyway, yeah, that is another, that kind of,
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that's not really an aesthetic,
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that's an accidental aesthetic.
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GIF animations, that someone should do a PhD thesis
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if they haven't already about GIF animations.
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How we got to this point, because like the history of GIF,
01:12:50
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the dawning of GIF resolutions, the dormant phase,
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and then having it come roaring back
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because every single freaking browser could play it.
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It's like, you know what?
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I'm done with dealing with embedded video or Flash.
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I'm just gonna do everything as GIF.
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But it's 256 college, doesn't matter.
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used a different 256 every frame of animation, but they're huge, doesn't matter, they play
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everywhere and that's all that matters is it plays everywhere and it's just this incredibly
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backwards, stupid, archaic format that nevertheless swept across the internet like a fire in the
01:13:19
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plains filled with dry grass and now we're kind of stuck with it.
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Anyway, just think, in an alternate universe where Apple was more a jokey company, there
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would be animated GIFs surrounding your 12 megapixel photo.
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So thank goodness for small favors, right?
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At least it's only a low frame rate H.264 video instead.
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So anyway, the most important question that you guys might not know the answer to is,
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what's the default?
01:13:43
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You get an iPhone 6s out of the box, is live photos on by default or off by default?
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I believe off.
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That's kind of a bummer because I feel like this is, this is a, I mean I guess it's easy
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to turn on, but I don't know how many people know how to use the, I think it's not particularly
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the whole weird swipey interface to going from videos to photos and turning auto HDR
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on and off. I've seen a lot of people be confused with that. I know how it works, I've accidentally
01:14:08
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switched modes a few times and had to take the extra 2 seconds to switch back and I find
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it frustrating. I don't really like that UI. But it's kind of a shame that I thought it
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was on by default.
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Right. Neither is 4K video, by the way.
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That's good. That shouldn't be on by default. That's like, "Well, if you really want it,
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you have it, but this is like a... they're going to have TV ads for this that I'm never
01:14:25
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going to see. Maybe they already do have TV ads for this showing, "Hey, live photos.
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This is cool." People with babies and teenagers will love this. Adults who don't want their
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pictures taken might not love it so much.
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And you're going to sit there with your dead photos and not enjoy all the fun.
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You're dead. Yeah, that would have been the political way to do it. We're not going
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to call ours live photos. Everything else is a dead photo. We'll call them feature
01:14:52
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Good real-time follow-up the gif thing you were talking about as
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Jelly is said in the chat and as I confirmed by using his wonderful app to gift wrapped
01:15:01
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That is not a system thing that must have been a Twitter effect thing
01:15:05
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moving on touch ID
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Super fast in the new phones. I wouldn't go so far as to say instant
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I feel like most people that I've heard talk about it have said it's just so fast
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it's instant and I wouldn't say that I mean it is really really freaking fast noticeably faster faster and
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So fast that I am extremely pleased by it every time I use it
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But I wouldn't say instant one thing I did want to say though very quickly about that is I found an odd behavior
01:15:36
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And I'd be curious if those who are listening have heard this as well feel free to tweet at me
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Don't worry about John and Marco I
01:15:45
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I had the, I had my iPhone plugged in, my new 6S, plugged into the wall via, I believe
01:15:51
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it was an iPad charger and extension and then both Apple and not Apple USB to Lightning
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And for whatever reason I couldn't get my Touch ID to work.
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I couldn't get it to work, couldn't get it to work.
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Tried re-learning several different fingers, couldn't get it to work, couldn't get it to
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In fact, I wouldn't even relearn the damn fingers.
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I was starting to get really bummed out because I thought, "Man, I've got a lemon."
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And then for whatever reason, I unplugged my phone.
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I don't know what possessed me to do this.
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And everything started working instantly.
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I didn't think much of it because that was the only time I'd had it happen.
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And then earlier tonight, Erin had the exact same problem on her phone, which is also a
01:16:33
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And I don't know if it's this particular charger.
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I don't know if it's gross power coming into our house.
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I wouldn't think so, but who knows?
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But one way or another, this is two times now that we've had this issue where Touch
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ID just would not recognize our fingers until we unplugged the phone.
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So I don't know what that could be, but if you did have that experience, I'd love
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to hear about it.
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So tweet me @CaseyLiss.
01:16:57
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That's Apple's new cord protection plan, subtly discouraging you animals from using
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your phones while they're plugged in because this is why your cords get destroyed.
01:17:06
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- At least that's one possible theory,
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as I continue my streak of never having broken
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a 30-pin or a lightning cable in any way.
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- I've broken some 30-pins.
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I don't know that I've broken a lightning, though.
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- I'm getting worried about our couch charging cable.
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It's the end is starting to bunch up,
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where it meets the stress boot, it's starting to wrinkle.
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- Yeah, I've seen a lot of pictures of that phenomenon.
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Do you use it, ever use it plugged in when you're there?
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I usually don't, but Tiff and more importantly,
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Adam all the time do.
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- Kids destroy everything.
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- My son has bent the, like he's got an iPad 2 that he uses
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and picture it this way, put the headphone
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into an iPhone 2, put an Apple earbud headphone
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to an iPhone 2 and then slam it on the ground,
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headphone and down.
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So the headphone is bent now, like it still works,
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but if you hit the headphone in it,
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it is bent just at the part where, you know,
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it goes into the device, not a good look.
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This is the kind of, and the smart cover
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is slowly delaminating too, so yeah,
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kids destroy everything. - That's no good.
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- All right, anything else on Touch ID?
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Marco, you were pretty effusive about it,
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and I mean, not that I'm not,
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but would you say I am being ridiculous,
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or would you say that it's damn near instant,
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but not quite instant?
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- I agree with you, I wouldn't say instant.
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It also depends a lot on how precisely it recognized it,
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precisely recognized it.
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Like, it seems like if it has a really solid match,
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I think it can recognize it faster
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than if it kinda has to think about it for a second,
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- So, I think the claim that Apple makes,
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which is that it's about twice as fast,
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I'd say that's accurate.
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- Yeah, I would agree with that.
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It is, again, I don't wanna sound like I'm poo-pooing it.
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It is definitely way, way, way faster.
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It's just, I had read or heard some of the early rumblings
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about it as being like instant.
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And it is instant, it is not, but gosh, it is close.
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And I love it, I really do.
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- Yeah, related to that is this,
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these are the links I put in here
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for Daniel Jalkut's thing about
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how Siri is always listening.
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We knew this from the keynote,
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and I think people are looking at Apple text docs
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or whatever, anyway.
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The M9 chip is related to Siri,
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and people were asking, "How does that M9 chip
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"that tracks when you're stepping or whatever,
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"how is that related to Siri?"
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All this gets down to having features on your phone,
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constantly doing something,
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constantly sensing the outside world,
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whether it's sensing whether you're shaking the phone
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up and down or sensing whether you're saying,
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hey Siri or whatever, without killing your battery.
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So that means you can't have the main CPU
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and the big beefy CPU, GPU, RAM, everything,
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big combination running all the time
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or waking up every two seconds and say,
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did the user say, hey Siri?
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Did the user say, hey Siri?
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That kills your battery.
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So this is-- - People are gonna kill us
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- Maybe I'll have to bleep it.
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- Seriously, people, just turn this feature off
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on your phone, or give your, can you give your phone
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a different name yet?
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Is there another thing you can do?
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- I don't, well, the 6S actually does like a voice training
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thing where it, when during the intro setup,
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after it, when it asks to enable Siri,
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it forces you to actually train it,
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and it kinda teaches you to say,
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hey Siri, in your own voice, and it like forces you
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through this process.
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So now it seems to be matched to your voice.
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In practice, I don't know how tightly
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it is matched to your voice.
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- Yeah, it would be nice if you could rename it.
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Anyway, that problem of having a battery-powered device,
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always sort of listening, always sensing,
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but not killing your CPU is why the little M9
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and the little step counter thing is there.
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The thing that Apple does is they make dedicated hardware
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with its own little dedicated local buffer.
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I mean, I don't know how it works inside,
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but I'm imagining this is a super lower power chip
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that has this one job that just spools crap up.
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And if it senses something that it thinks is significant,
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it will then wake up the big CPU and say,
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"Hey, by the way, the thing just said, hey Siri.
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And by the way, here's the audio I recorded
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starting when they said, hey Siri, you take it from here."
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Like I'm just entirely speculating
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about how this actually works.
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But the bottom line is custom hardware
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that it takes way less power than the actual CPU
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to be sort of the guard, the guard post, like listening,
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listening for anyone to say, hey Siri,
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or counting the steps is even easier
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because they can just sit there and tick up a counter
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and then when the actual CPU wakes up,
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it's like, by the way,
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while you were just sleeping over there,
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this many more steps took place
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or here's the step data or whatever.
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So that's smart use of hardware.
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Features like that are coming all the time.
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Touch ID is kind of like that.
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I don't know to what extent it's already
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completely independent where the Touch ID sensor
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and its little secure enclave and everything
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can work entirely independently of the CPU
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and then just pass on the information.
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That must be true to some degree
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just for the security implications,
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but the way you get these things to be more responsive
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is not like, oh, we need the A10 CPU.
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No, it's custom hardware to say,
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the main part of the system
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is not involved in this process at all.
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This is like a sense organ
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that relays and buffers this information,
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and the faster you can make those little sense organs
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while keeping them low power,
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the better this is gonna get.
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So Marco is pegging it at about twice the speed,
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just like Apple said,
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that they can do that twice the speed
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for another two or three years.
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it really will be instant pretty quickly,
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'cause I don't think there's any particular limit
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on the sensing.
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Once you're touching it, you're touching it.
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It's not as if you need to,
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it needs to do this incredibly big computation.
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You could just dump the raw sensor data out
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once you're touching it,
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and then it's the processing and the matching or whatever.
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But yeah, if they can double it in one year,
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I'm optimistic that this will eventually actually be instant.
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- All right, anything else on the hardware?
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I have one other quick thought about the 6S,
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but anything else on the hardware?
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- How's the battery been for you?
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For me, I'd say it's about the same.
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- I'd say it's about the same, maybe marginally worse,
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but I also wonder if it's all in my head
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because I've been looking out for exactly that.
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- Right, exactly, yeah, it's hard to know.
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- Well, if it's about the same, that means it's worse
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because this is a fresh battery
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versus your one-year-old 6, right?
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So it should be better than a one-year-old 6, so.
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Yeah, I mean, it is not dramatically different, but I would definitely not say it's better,
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and I'm skeptical that when I say it's worse, it really honestly is.
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It may just be me thinking it is.
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You're also playing with your phones more, maybe.
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Like, you just got the success, you're force-touching things, the live photos and all that other
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stuff, so it'll probably settle down.
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But anyway, it being a wash seems reasonable.
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My final thought about the success—and I tweeted about this a few days ago—it was
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interesting to me that anecdotally, based on zero facts whatsoever, I saw a lot less
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kvetching about, "Oh, my phone wasn't available. Oh, my phone wasn't available. I really wanted
01:23:57
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this in such and such color and such and such capacity, and it wasn't available." And I
01:24:01
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did see some of that for the rose gold pretty quickly. But, you know, last year, my recollection
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anyway was that by 3.15 in the morning in the one true time zone, which is Eastern time,
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A lot of people were already starting to say, "Oh my God, my thing is sold out. Oh my gosh."
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And I didn't see much of that this year. And in fact, somebody, I can't remember who it was, said to me,
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they pre-ordered like two or three days before the first, the launch day.
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And they were still able to reserve one for launch day.
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And I just found that surprising. And so I was theorizing, this was right before the numbers came out,
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that, well, maybe they didn't sell as many, or, you know, maybe it's just that it's easier
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because a lot of these components are similar.
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And then I got to thinking, well,
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not all that many of these components are that similar.
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And as it turns out, the numbers were through the roof.
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And I didn't realize at the time I had talked about this,
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but apparently the S years are always better.
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So I don't know what to make of this.
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Maybe it's just that Tim Cook's ops
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are really getting that much better
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or just getting more mature, if you will.
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But I was impressed by how few inventory problems
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we heard about with the exception perhaps of the rose gold.
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Well, one aspect of that that we have here in the show notes
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is that the A9 is being made by two different manufacturers.
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I'm not sure if that was the case with the A8, but--
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I think this is the first time they've ever done that.
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Yeah, so it's a Taiwan semiconductor,
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and Samsung are both making the A9.
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And the most interesting thing, I think,
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is that they're both making slightly different A9s.
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I guess they just have different transistor layouts.
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Maybe they're actually different sizes, different feature sizes
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Anyway, we'll put a link to the chip work story
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that they actually opened these things up
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and sliced open the chips and took
01:25:39
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look at the actual little chip that's inside the package, and lo and behold, two different
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things. So that helps with inventory. You know, we talked about like, what is the thing
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that is most supply constrained on these phones? It's usually the thing that's hardest to make,
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and that's usually either something having to do with the camera sensors or something
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having to do with the CPU/GPU system on a chip thing. And this year it looks like they
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were able to make a lot of them. Although, I told my wife this, "Hey, people aren't getting
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sold out and you could have just, you didn't have to wake up at 3 a.m. and you could have
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just woke up in the morning or whatever." And she's like, "Great, I'll be able to get
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thing right away, and then I went to the Apple website or whatever, and it's like three to
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five weeks for the model she wanted.
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So maybe that was just a fluke, and by the time he does buy it, there'll be plenty of
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inventory, but it seems like it's not a bottomless pit.
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It seems like the demand did actually exhaust supply eventually.
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I haven't looked in recent days.
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I'm hoping by the time her contract is up and she goes for her other phone, we can just
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We were discussing before the show that I installed it on the machine that I'm presently
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recording on starting at about 7.15 this evening.
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We started recording at 9 this evening because basically I'm an idiot, but it worked out
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In any case, initial impressions, already really like the split view, whatever they're
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calling it, for having to opt side by side and full screen.
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I think I like San Francisco.
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I feel like every platform I see San Francisco on, my first reaction is, "Eh," and then over
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time I end up really liking it.
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My site does indeed support pin tabs, which I'm really excited about, because I had no
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I had no idea if that was working or not.
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I didn't run any of the betas.
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This is all brand new to me, but so far so good.
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I really like it, and I did not lose my mouse yet,
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but Renz in the chat asked, and the mouse jiggle
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is very creepy and kind of delightful all at once.
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So that's my initial impressions.
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Any other initial impressions from you guys?
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- Well, should we do, is there gonna be
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an official John Siracusa review of El Cap on our show,
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Or will you kill me for even saying that?
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I haven't even installed the GM yet.
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God, look at you.
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You really kicked back.
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I know, you've graduated and suddenly it's like, whatever man.
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Yeah, no, it's like being spoiler, it's like my new change in philosophy of trying
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to be relatively spoiler free for the new Star Wars movies, whereas with episode one
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I wanted to know almost everything about it, and now I'm trying an opposite approach.
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So for OS X, it's like, you know, I installed the betas, I filled around with it, but I
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I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna do this
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like a regular person.
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I see the keynote, I installed the betas,
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I played around with it,
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but I don't know everything about the OS.
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I haven't been obsessively using it
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and searching around for it and trying all sorts of things.
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So I'm gonna read people's reviews.
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I haven't even gotten around to reading their reviews yet,
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but I have a lot of them saved away.
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I'm gonna read reviews and I'm gonna learn stuff.
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And that's a novel, exciting experience for me
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to find out new things about the OS.
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So I'm looking forward to installing it
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'cause I have used the betas and, you know,
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a lot of my betas are on a separate hard drive and a fresh install or on a computer they
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don't use so it always feels faster because like, "Wow, with nothing installed everything
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is faster and snappier."
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But I'm looking forward to performance improvements and the new feature and the new font and all
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the other stuff.
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I'm somewhat dreading dealing with the system integrity protection stuff, but I'm hoping
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most people have got that stuff worked out.
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Unlike Casey, I did not rush to install it.
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I did start downloading today.
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I've got about half downloaded and I haven't paused.
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But I haven't even updated Skype.
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Skype's been wanting me to update for months.
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And as Marco talked about with not changing stuff
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in audio setup, I'm like, why am I updating Skype again?
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Is there something wrong with Skype now?
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Is it not working now that I need to do this update?
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No, there's kind of always something wrong with it.
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I know, but everything is working fine.
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So I have been saying no, no, no.
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But I'm going to say yes now.
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Why would I might update?
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Because I would imagine that if there's
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going to be any LCAP compatibility differences,
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Like I need to install the latest Skype
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before I upgrade the OS.
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I have to go through the whole ritual
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of making umpteen backups
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and then making sure every single one of my apps
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is up to date for the version that is compatible
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and then doing the OS update.
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It's not that I dread it.
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I'm gonna upgrade, you know, by this weekend
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I'll have all the computers in the house upgraded probably.
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I'm usually pretty, gonna know about these things.
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I did the same thing for Mavericks.
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Everything was fine.
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And Yosemite, everything was fine.
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Your mileage may vary.
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But yeah, I don't have anything particularly deep and insightful to say about it because
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I just haven't used it enough to know those things.
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But as they come up, I'm sure I will mention them on the show, but don't be expecting
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like there's going to be like one episode where I just like recite 30,000 words with
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That's not going to happen.
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Did you miss writing it at all?
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Didn't miss writing it.
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I missed a little bit having written it.
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Like I tweeted, it was kind of weird going to Ars Technica and seeing an OS X review
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and seeing that it wasn't mine. It's like it happened, but I didn't need to do anything,
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and this review appeared in Ars Technica. That's great. It's like magic. You just go
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to sleep, you wake up, and there's a review in Ars Technica. How did that get there? But
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yeah, people wrote it, and that's how it got there.
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Is it kind of like if you go back and visit an old job and you see that there's just somebody
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else doing your job and everything just went on without you?
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Yeah, it's fine. Again, I haven't read it yet. I looked at it. I saw there's some good
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techie parts. One person who tweeted about this that I retweeted said that they're really
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enjoying the Ars Technica review, including the traditional middle part that they only
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vaguely understand. So I'm looking forward to that. Those are the parts that I enjoy.
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I didn't enjoy the fact that the terminal examples where they showed terminal text had
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light text and a dark background. This is what happens when you stop doing it, someone
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else gets to do it and they get to make the choices, and that's just the price I have
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pay that someone else is making choices about the aesthetic tiny details of the review.
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They probably didn't even put in any references to all my traditional sources, but that's
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what happens when someone else writes it. So anyway, I'm looking forward to reading
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it. I'm looking forward to learning things. I'm looking forward to reading all the reviews
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that I have in there, and I'm looking forward to installing it and trying it out myself,
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and I'm sure I will have things to say about it.
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I hope so. I really do, because it is, you know, other people write these reviews now,
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and other people will always step in,
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and I'm sure they are good in their ways,
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but I do miss having it come from you.
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I do miss your review, 'cause what we got was a review,
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but we didn't get your review.
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- Yep, I would agree with that wholeheartedly.
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I read maybe 2/3 of the ARS review so far,
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and it is very good, without question,
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and I think it is definitely done
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in the spirit of a Syracuse review,
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But the tone is just different,
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and that's to be expected, of course,
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but the tone is just different
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and it doesn't feel the way it used to,
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just like you were saying, Marco, and I miss that.
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That's not an attack on the people who wrote it,
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by any means, they did a fine job,
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and God knows I would never have wanted
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to be the person to follow John Syracuse,
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but I miss that Syracuse tone
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and that kind of flair that you would put in
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that I didn't see in this one.
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- Well, that's like any kind of review type thing.
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I think the thing people may be most familiar with
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are like movie reviews where over time,
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if you read a particular movie reviewer
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for like years and years and decades,
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whether you agree with the reviewer or not,
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you start to get a feel for the reviewer as a person.
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So then you can say, what I know of Roger Ebert
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combined with what he said about this movie
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lets me know if I'll like it.
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And so having sort of insight into the person
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becomes like a comfort level,
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Whereas if a new person writes it, you're like, OK, well,
01:36:25
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I have the review, but I don't know
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that much about the person.
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So how do I figure out what I'll think of it?
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I know what this person thinks of it,
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but I don't know enough about this person
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to know what they think of it as-- what they think
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of it relates to what I think of it.
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I understand that.
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You just don't have the same comfort level with the reviewer
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because you don't know--
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you don't have a model of the inside of their brain yet,
01:36:48
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because you haven't been reading them for years or decades
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or whatever.
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But that'll change, and there's plenty of people
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who've never read anything by me anyway,
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and so I was just another random person.
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Trying to do all the little jokes and references
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and trying to keep it entertaining,
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it's challenging when you're writing
01:37:07
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about an operating system, I can tell you.
01:37:09
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It doesn't lend itself well to anything
01:37:11
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except for really bad puns, which I tried to avoid mightily.
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We all know the puns I'm talking about.
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People like to make, I'm not gonna name
01:37:19
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any particular publications 'cause I think
01:37:20
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this is perfectly fine, you wanna do it, you can do it.
01:37:22
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It is an epidemic in the tech industry,
01:37:24
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very sort of simple, obvious puns
01:37:28
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that people just absolutely cannot resist.
01:37:30
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I resisted them as much as I could.
01:37:33
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I still did them, especially early on,
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I was doing them all the time.
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But as time wore on,
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I'm trying to, we used to be trying to keep it lighthearted
01:37:40
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and keep people engaged in what is usually
01:37:42
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a pretty dry topic and eventually not even all that exciting
01:37:46
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when people were much more excited about iOS than OS X.
01:37:49
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So it's a, you know, it's not an easy task, but you know, someone else has got to do it
01:37:56
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and someone else is doing it.
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And like I said, from skimming through it, it looked like something that I would want
01:38:01
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It looked like it covered a lot of the features and it looked like it did get down and dirty
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into a few specific areas.
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And that's what I always did.
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I didn't cover everything in super depth.
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It's just like, "Oh, this one feature is actually an interesting feature and let me dive really
01:38:12
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deep on this one thing."
01:38:13
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And I was like, "Why are you diving into even that one thing?
01:38:17
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You didn't even talk about this other feature.
01:38:18
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that would be a complaint I always got.
01:38:19
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I totally understand that,
01:38:20
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and that's what the R's review looks like,
01:38:22
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so I'm looking forward to reading it.
01:38:23
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- It's pretty good so far, like I said.
01:38:27
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So you said that you had run the betas, Jon,
01:38:30
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but you did not run them full-time.
01:38:32
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You ran them on a second partition or whatever?
01:38:35
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- All right, what about you, Marco?
01:38:36
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Did you run the betas?
01:38:37
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- I've been running it on my laptop for a few weeks,
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and I really like it.
01:38:42
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And it's fine. - Nice.
01:38:43
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- It's, you know, I don't use my laptop full-time,
01:38:47
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So it's hard for me to really say,
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oh, it's amazing or oh, it's terrible in these ways.
01:38:53
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It has been perfectly fine for me on my laptop.
01:38:55
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I've run into no issues with it as far as I can remember.
01:39:00
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Certainly none that felt like it was
01:39:02
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because it was a beta before.
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And it's been fine.
01:39:05
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I like San Francisco a lot.
01:39:08
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I've been using iOS 9 all summer,
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so I was more used to it.
01:39:12
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But I like, as a font, I like it a lot.
01:39:15
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And I think it's good, it's fine.
01:39:18
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Yeah, I have no complaints so far,
01:39:19
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but we'll see when I install it on my desktop.
01:39:21
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I'm a little worried that I,
01:39:24
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I know during the beta there were some issues with audio,
01:39:27
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especially USB audio.
01:39:30
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And earlier I was asking the tipster in the chat
01:39:33
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if that's been fixed, and he said basically no.
01:39:36
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So I'm a little worried about messing with my audio setup
01:39:40
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that works by installing LCAP on my computer,
01:39:44
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but I got to install it pretty soon
01:39:46
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just to keep up with the dev tools and everything.
01:39:48
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I'm gonna wanna install it fairly soon.
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So I'm probably just gonna install it maybe at point one,
01:39:55
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or maybe even sooner than that, I don't know yet.
01:39:58
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But it seems like from what I've been hearing from people
01:40:01
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and reading today, it doesn't seem like there are
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any massive problems with it.
01:40:05
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Does that match with what you guys are seeing?
01:40:08
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- Yeah, I haven't seen, well, that's not true.
01:40:09
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Merlin said that 1Password was having issues on his box,
01:40:12
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but it seems to be working on mine.
01:40:14
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- As I said in the talking about the reviews in the past,
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and there was like a couple of threads online
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talking about this, like, "Oh, OS reviews,
01:40:21
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why bother reading them?
01:40:21
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They didn't tell us about all the problems
01:40:23
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that are in Yosemite," and stuff like that.
01:40:25
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Like day one reviews are never gonna tell you that.
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They're just never going to.
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You find them out when millions of people start using it.
01:40:31
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No matter how many, like, first of all,
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no reviewer that I'm aware of has like a giant lab
01:40:36
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with every model of Mac
01:40:37
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and every combination of software and hardware.
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So they can't do comprehensive testing.
01:40:40
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even Apple probably can't test every combination, right?
01:40:43
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And so there's no way a day one review
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is going to tell you that.
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If you're reading a day one review to find out
01:40:49
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what is the long-term compatibility and stability
01:40:52
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of this gonna be like over the next year,
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there's no way to know that.
01:40:55
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There's not even a way to know whether the GM will work
01:40:57
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and everyone's set up.
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The only way you find that out,
01:40:59
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I mean, the public beta is supposed to be helping with that,
01:41:00
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but the only way you find that out
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is massive number of people using it.
01:41:04
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And so that's just a job that a review
01:41:08
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that comes out on the same day as the OS cannot do, period.
01:41:10
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And so I long ago gave up basically doing that.
01:41:14
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If there's something egregious or if like,
01:41:16
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if I said this, you know, like a leopard,
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I remember being really flaky, like was always flaky
01:41:21
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and even the GM is flaky and it's clearly flaky.
01:41:25
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Like if you get a negative result of,
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I don't know, I'm using negative positive,
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or anyway, if you get a result that says there are problems,
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you can communicate that and like,
01:41:32
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I've never gotten this to work successfully,
01:41:34
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even in the GM on any of the computers I've tried,
01:41:37
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there's probably a problem.
01:41:38
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But if everything works fine for you,
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that doesn't mean everything's gonna work fine
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for everybody else.
01:41:41
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All it means is that the problems
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haven't yet been discovered.
01:41:43
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So if you're wary about LCAP, wait.
01:41:48
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So the advice I always gave was like wait for the .1
01:41:50
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if you're nervous, but if you waited for the .1 in Yosemite,
01:41:53
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that wouldn't have solved the Discovery D issue either.
01:41:56
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Took a long time for them to fix that.
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You'd never know what's gonna happen.
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So if you are nervous at all, wait six months, read the web.
01:42:02
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You'll find out if there are problems.
01:42:04
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If you don't wanna wait six months,
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then upgrade with the rest of us and just cross your fingers, right?
01:42:08
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Okay, thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week,
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Cards Against Humanity, Harry's, and Backblaze,
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and we will see you next week.
01:42:17
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Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin
01:42:24
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'Cause it was accidental, oh it was accidental
01:42:29
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John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him
01:42:35
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'Cause it was accidental, oh it was accidental
01:42:40
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
01:42:45
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them @C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S
01:42:55
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So that's Casey List M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
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Auntie Marco Arment S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A-C-R-A-C-U-S-A
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It's accidental (accidental)
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They didn't mean to (accidental)
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♪ Ask about your tech podcast so long ♪
01:43:18
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- We need to talk about the TiVo Bolt.
01:43:22
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- What is that thing?
01:43:23
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- We need to talk about this because--
01:43:25
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- Wait, so I know nothing about this
01:43:27
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because I've never owned a TiVo
01:43:28
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and don't give two craps about one.
01:43:29
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So where is there a decent, like, two second overview?
01:43:32
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- Just go to the link in the show notes.
01:43:34
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- Does it not sit flat?
01:43:36
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- Yes, that is the first thing you need to know
01:43:37
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about the TiVo, the second thing.
01:43:39
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The first thing you need to know about the TiVo Bolt
01:43:40
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is the new box from TiVo.
01:43:41
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TiVo makes DVRs, right?
01:43:43
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I like them and I've owned tons of them
01:43:44
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and I'm somewhat obsessed with them.
01:43:46
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Anyway, the TiVo Vault,
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the second thing you need to know about it is
01:43:50
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that rather than being a sort of rectangular solid
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with rounded corners.
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- What is this?
01:43:56
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- It is bent.
01:43:57
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- It looks like a bent iPhone.
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- Ever so slightly bent so that it does not lay flat
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and so that the top of it is not flat.
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It's like, it's bent upwards
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and so there's a little space underneath it.
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It's not even symmetrically bent.
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It's not bent in the middle.
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It's bent like two thirds of the way down.
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It's a stylistic choice.
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It looks like an interesting type of sculpture or whatever.
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It is a terrible decision.
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Do not bend things that are gonna go
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in someone's AV stack under their TV.
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The only place that can possibly go is on top.
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But realistically speaking,
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you know people are gonna stack stuff on this
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and it's gonna look awful.
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People are going to stack it.
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You can't stop them.
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They're gonna do it.
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And they're gonna wedge stuff underneath it
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and they're gonna put pencils and books
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or they're just gonna have everything be tilted
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and slowly slide off their entertainment centers.
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This is a terrible choice.
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And by the way, it's white, a second terrible choice.
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I know you want to stand out and everything.
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Black is better for things that go underneath your TV
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and your cabinet.
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Black is the standard.
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If you're going to have a white one, like a console,
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give a choice for black.
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Bent. Like that is a just,
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I just would love to have been in those meetings
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when someone's like, but don't you understand?
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It's distinctive and people will remember it or whatever.
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No, just no, just make it flat.
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You have to be able to stack.
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It's like the PS3 did the same thing,
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like making the George Foreman grill thing out of it.
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I'd give game consoles a little bit more leeway
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because like look, something's gotta be
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on the top of your AV stack.
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And if it's gonna be a game console,
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maybe it has a top loading CD drive back in the old days
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or whatever you had to do it that way.
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I don't really give Sony a pass either,
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but only one thing can be on top.
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The PS4, they learned, it's flat, it's stackable.
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This is the first, this is the worst box
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that TiVo has ever made,
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or possibly that anyone has ever made.
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'cause I'm not aware of anyone who's ever so egregiously
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thumb their nose at the idea of stackable AVO components.
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'Cause it's not like this is just like a little bit off
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or whatever, they're intentionally going,
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"Guess what?
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"Yeah, we screwed you."
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Anyway, it's white, the remote is white, it's ugly.
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All right, that's enough complaining about the box.
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There are other things to talk about this.
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Some interesting things related to the Bolt,
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the features that are touting.
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The first one that I wanna talk about is a smart speed,
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but they're not calling it smart speed
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'cause Marco would sue them.
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- Well, it isn't smart speed,
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because it's just to speed up.
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- Well, they can't do real smart speed,
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because there's video and they can't just skip silence.
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- You have to watch the video part when they're silenced too.
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But it just speeds up the video without pitch shifting,
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so people don't sound like chipmunks.
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It's a way to watch things in less time.
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They say 30% faster.
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- Right, that's a 1.3X playback mode.
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So that's interesting, that's useful,
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not particularly novel, maybe in the set-top box space,
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but like, you know.
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- No, I mean, it's the type of thing
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where you think, why didn't they have this years ago?
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'Cause, yeah. - Right.
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Well, I'm pretty sure the PS3 can do that.
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(upbeat music)
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Obviously, computer play, like, you know,
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QuickTime can do it.
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I'm sure VLC probably has an option somewhere to do it.
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But in the set-top box industry,
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I think it's pretty unusual, so that's interesting.
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- Yeah, I just mentioned it because smart speeds,
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like, it's smart speeds for your TV,
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so save time, watch your stuff in less time.
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If that's what you like, I would never do that anyway.
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Anyway, it's there.
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The other thing is commercial skipping.
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They've always had 30 seconds skip
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and fast forward scan and stuff like that,
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and now they're gonna have a button
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that will let you skip commercials.
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How does it do that?
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How does it know whether your commercials begin to end?
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Have they done some amazing machine learning?
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No, they have a bunch of humans
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taking the most popular shows
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and marking where the commercials are.
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So you can't do the skipping feature
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until the show has aired and TiVo's legion of actual humans
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has put in the metadata for commercial start here,
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stop there, start here, start there,
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and of course it will only work on the shows
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they do that for,
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going to do it for the most popular shows.
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And I imagine the relevant, the stakeholders as they say in the business world of advertising
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in television may be a little bit miffed by this, so this could lead to legal battles
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and grumbling and who knows what else.
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But in the meantime, you can buy this and in theory, if you don't watch the show live
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and if you allow, you know, if you watch it the next day or maybe an hour later, I don't
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know what the lag is going to be, you will be able to skip commercials with one button
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like why even make them press the button?
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- Yeah, why not just, I mean, yeah, why,
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I mean, I think the reality here is that
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so few people are buying Tevos anymore
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that no one's gonna even care.
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- I don't know, yeah, it's possible they won't care,
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but you'd be surprised what they care about.
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But anyway, I buy Tevos, so I care.
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So I would like to try that feature,
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even though I'm a 30 second skip wizard by this point.
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I'm really good at it.
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That's why I hate when they're not responsive,
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because it throws off my game.
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But it's got that feature.
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Those are the big things that are kind of,
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oh yeah, and 4K video, which is mostly irrelevant
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because the only thing that's really broad,
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like, you know, their Netflix client will get 4K
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from Netflix and you can record in 4K,
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and it's good they're cranking it up.
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You know, they're gonna have to go 4K eventually,
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so it's good that they get some practice.
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Oh, and how long do you think it is before their UI is 4K?
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Yeah, no, supposedly, most, almost all,
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not all, because that would be impossible,
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almost all of the UI is now in HD.
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TiVo, for people to know,
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historically had a standard definition menu,
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you know, set of menus and everything,
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And even long after the TiVo device started recording HD video, the menus were still standard
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And slowly, slowly, more and more the menus became high def.
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This year has high definition come entirely to TiVo?
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It's like they're asymptotically approaching an HD user interface.
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So now only a few screens are standard def and most of them are high def, which is kind
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of embarrassing and stupid, but that's life.
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But yeah, the 4K support matters is that it means that they're putting in beefier hardware.
01:49:30
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Supposedly this one has more memory faster GPU faster video decoding it can handle 4k like these are all good things
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I want this to happen thumbs up, please
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TiVo if you made if you made a fifteen hundred dollar box
01:49:43
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I would buy it like I'm afraid to give you money why because I love TiVo
01:49:47
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And I just wish it was way faster. I'm like what I don't understand
01:49:50
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I don't watch maybe as much TV as you do we Aaron and I have maybe five or six shows that we watch religiously but
01:50:00
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really f*cking Verizon DVR box is plenty fine. It's terrible. I will be the first to tell you, but we are using it to
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navigate between shows for maybe 15 seconds any given day. Like, I don't need the most robust whiz-bang awesome experience.
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And, by the way, our menus are entirely and exclusively in HD.
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So, I'm not saying you're wrong, but gosh,
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I don't understand what could make a DVR so magical that it warrants all this money,
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including a service charge, right?
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Like a monthly service fee or whatever?
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- No, no, I buy them outright.
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You can pay a whole bunch upfront
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and there's no monthly fee.
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I do that 'cause I keep them forever.
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So there's no monthly fee.
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I already pay a lot for these things
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and what I'm saying is I'd be willing to pay even more.
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What I'm paying for is the responsiveness, the features,
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like MyTivo has applications like Netflix and Hulu
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and stuff like that.
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The Netflix app, how long does the Netflix quote unquote app
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take to launch?
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How responsive is the Netflix?
01:50:58
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When I'm waiting for the Netflix thing on TiVo to launch,
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which I've been doing by the way,
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'cause my Apple TV's been flaking out
01:51:02
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to now actually using the Netflix thing on my TiVo,
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I don't like waiting for things to launch.
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Like the iOS app launches faster.
01:51:09
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Why is it slow on the TiVo?
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'Cause the TiVo's recording six shows at once
01:51:12
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and doing a bunch of other things
01:51:14
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and doesn't have enough memory and the CPU can't,
01:51:16
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whatever the problem is, I don't wanna wait.
01:51:17
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I want everything to be instant, I demand it.
01:51:20
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And I'm willing to pay for it.
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And so maybe I'm not TiVo's big customer.
01:51:24
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- But when we're navigating to figure out
01:51:27
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what show we want to watch, that's pretty damn instant.
01:51:30
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When it starts playing back, it's pretty damn instant.
01:51:33
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- How long does the TiVo client take the launch?
01:51:35
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Or not the Netflix client take the launch?
01:51:37
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- Oh, I don't have Netflix on my DVR.
01:51:39
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That's why I have a Fire TV stick or my Apple TV.
01:51:42
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- How long does it take to launch on those?
01:51:44
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- I actually haven't watched Netflix
01:51:45
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since House of Cards went away, so it's been a while.
01:51:49
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- And how long does it take for the thing to come up
01:51:50
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and like to navigate to the thing that you want?
01:51:52
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Netflix is usually good about picking up like,
01:51:54
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oh, play the next House of Cards episode,
01:51:55
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but I don't like waiting.
01:51:57
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I've, I'm used to, when I was a kid,
01:51:59
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television was instant because it was all analog
01:52:01
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and that's what I want.
01:52:02
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- I mean, your point is fair and I'm confident
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that whatever waiting you do is less than the waiting I do,
01:52:09
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but I just, I guess our priorities are just so different
01:52:12
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and that's fine.
01:52:13
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I mean, that's what makes the world go round,
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but I never in my life have I looked at my very crappy
01:52:18
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cable issue or a Verizon file issue DVR and said,
01:52:21
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you know what, my life would be better
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if this thing was replaced.
01:52:25
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- Well, here's the thing.
01:52:26
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It's like one of those things where like, yeah, it's fine.
01:52:28
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But if I gave you a high-end TiVo,
01:52:30
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you wouldn't be able to go back to the other thing.
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'Cause you just get used to it.
01:52:32
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- Yeah, you're probably right.
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- Especially if I gave it to you for free
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and there was no monetary thing,
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it's just much more pleasant.
01:52:37
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And it's the type of thing, before you have it,
01:52:39
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it's not a big deal, you're fine.
01:52:40
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And after you get it, it's not that big of a deal,
01:52:42
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but would you like to go back to the old one?
01:52:44
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No, not really, this new one is better.
01:52:46
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There are plenty of things to annoy about TiVo as well.
01:52:49
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Anyway, the other thing I'm paying for
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with my big fancy TiVo is the thing
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that TiVo Bolt doesn't provide.
01:52:55
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The TiVo Bolt only comes, as far as I'm aware,
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according to TiVo's site right now,
01:53:00
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maybe they'll expand it out,
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in a sort of a wimpier model.
01:53:04
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It's not their high-end model.
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So the TiVo Bolt can come with a 500 gig
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or a terabyte hard drive and four tuners.
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The high-end TiVo Romeo,
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which is their previous high-end product
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and still their prior product,
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comes with a three terabyte hard drive and six tuners.
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And mine is like 70% full.
01:53:22
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So I could go, you know, they make six terabyte drives now.
01:53:24
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The Bolt uses a 2.5 inch drive, I think,
01:53:27
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which is why they've scaled things down.
01:53:28
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But again, what would you pay the extra money for?
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I would pay for a six terabyte drive.
01:53:32
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I would pay for two, three terabyte drives.
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Sure, throw them in there.
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Like the hard drives are fairly quiet.
01:53:38
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You know, I would pay for an SSD to make it smaller.
01:53:41
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This is the type of thing I'm willing to pay for.
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Do you need six tuners?
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Sometimes I use all of them.
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Is four enough?
01:53:47
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Yeah, probably, but I'd rather have six.
01:53:49
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So the Bolt is not their high-end product.
01:53:52
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But right now, the Bolt has a bunch of features
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the other things don't have.
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The skipping, the fast playing mode,
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the skipping they could bring to any of them.
01:53:59
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So the software update could bring that to my model.
01:54:02
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If it doesn't, I'll be kind of disappointed
01:54:04
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because that's entirely like a metadata service thing.
01:54:06
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It has nothing to do with the hardware.
01:54:07
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Maybe my model doesn't have the hardware support
01:54:12
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or fast enough innards to do the fast playback thing,
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but I don't care 'cause I would never use that feature.
01:54:17
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My Netflix app takes a while to launch
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and there's little spinners and I gotta wait.
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Is that ever gonna be faster on mine?
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probably not because the CPU is so lumpy
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and the RAM is not getting any bigger or whatever.
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So this TiVo Bolt thing is not a replacement for my,
01:54:30
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like it's not like I'm, I would never replace it.
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Storage capacity alone means I would never replace it
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with this, but I'm assuming the TiVo Bolt inner,
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it's the faster CPU, GPU, video decoder,
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4K support, all that stuff.
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I'm assuming eventually there will be
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a high-end model of that.
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I just hope that it is not bent like this thing.
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And I also hope that it's not a white,
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even the remote is white for crying out.
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I know people like white.
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I kind of like the white PS4, but if you have kids,
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like you just see the crap that goes on.
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Please just don't make, don't make the remote white,
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don't make the box white.
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It would be the only white box besides my Wii
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and my entertainment center.
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I need everything to be black.
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I need it not to be bent TiVo.
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So excited by the interesting new features
01:55:09
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and the increased performance and the increased CPU grunt.
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Everything else about it is super annoying to me.