114: So Far, So OK
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In the show notes someone has deleted a very important note that note read as follows
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But John this looks an awful fucking lot like homework
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Because I'm assuming it wasn't Marco that put in all sorts of information about photos for OS X. It's not homework
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It's like it looks an awful lot like homework the bare minimum of getting anything written down about a topic
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And it's like oh my goodness if I didn't write this down there would be nothing there
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just to be like a bullet point that said photos.
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I'm just saying, I don't like the look of homework.
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Yeah, no Casey, this is not homework.
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This is simply research that was done in John's home
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that was in preparation for some future work.
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Big research, I went to web pages
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and copy and pasted some stuff.
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It's no more research than getting the feedback emails
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we get and copying and pasting information
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from them into here.
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And then you complain like,
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"You didn't give me a link to that tweet."
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So apparently it's okay for me to do homework then
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when you can't find a link to a tweet on your own,
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But now I can't anyway, but it'll be fine. Oh
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Goodness, all right. Well now that I've publicly shamed you and then inevitably shamed myself
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We should probably do some follow-ups. So let's start with
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Pitti Pong. I hope I said that right I went back and forth like five emails trying to get this name right Pitti Pong
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he wrote us about the
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Thailand crisis that caused the the hard drive problems because of how many hard drives are manufactured there and in the past show I
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Had attributed it to a tsunami with a bunch of waffle words around it like tsunami or something anyway
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It was not a tsunami. It was a severe flood in 2011 that caused this problem with hard drives
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the tsunami was in 2004 in a different part of Thailand and
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Apparently the Seagate hard drive factories were not in the flooding area. So why would their quality?
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Go down. This is in relation to the back blaze blog post. We talked about last show
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About how they bought a bunch of C gate hard drives around the time of the flood and like 90% of them were dead in four
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Maybe more pressure on the one remaining working factory maybe parts. They got were bad like all sorts of I can imagine
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This email said that it's you know, we can say that see if factories were almost
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Almost were not affected by the severe flooding maybe not like directly as in they were had water in them
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but clearly something related to the flood went wrong to cause that batch of drives to
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be terrible.
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Like they bought thousands of drives and 90% dead in four years is not a good deal.
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So anyway, we got the natural disaster wrong and apparently their factory wasn't underwater
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but they were clearly affected.
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They also might have just sucked.
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Well, I suppose, but like you saw those numbers.
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Like those are outside the margin of error.
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Especially for Backblaze for them to call it out.
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They bought tons of different hard drives from different manufacturers and there's some
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Some fluctuations, but that was ridiculous.
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- Sort of related, well, quasi-related note,
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do you guys have spare drives for your Synologies
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just in case one dies?
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- I did that for a while, but now, instead of doing that,
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now I just converted it to one of the raid modes
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that keeps hot spares anyway.
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I used to have spares sitting outside of it.
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And I recognize now this is less good than that,
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but it's not gonna make that big of a difference.
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- So are you using the Synology Hybrid RAID
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or whatever it's called, the SHR I think it is?
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- I have used that in the past.
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It's a little slow for me.
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So now I have, well now I have my whole crazy iSCSI setup,
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which I never actually talked about fully on this show.
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But now my entire Synology is one giant iSCSI volume
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with whatever RAID variant of RAID, five or six,
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that has two disks that are able to fail.
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So I have that plus one hot spare.
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ready to be swapped into that if needed.
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And then I have just all one giant iSCSI volume
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that's accessed by network shares on this Mac Mini
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that I have that's doing the live stream right now.
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And so that way the Mac Mini serves the role
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of being my standalone live streaming box
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so I don't have to worry about software updates breaking it,
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which is always a problem with audio stuff.
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Meanwhile, it also runs back blaze on it
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to back up the entire contents of that iSCSI volume
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as a network share, and also serves it over the network
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to other computers on my network.
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- Interesting.
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- So it's complicated.
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- Yeah, for my Synology, I have two physical volumes
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that are my time machine backups
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and whatever RAID is completely not redundant
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because it's just time machine and I don't really care.
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- Oh yeah, I have that too, sorry, I forgot.
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Yeah, I do have two disks in there that are in RAID 0
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that are just for time machine.
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- Right, and then I have the other six
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that are using Synology, whatever it is, RAID.
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I keep wanting to say hybrid, but I feel like that's wrong.
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- That's what it is, SHR.
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- Oh, it is, okay.
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And so I've been thinking about one of these days
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when I have a little bit of extra money for Amazon,
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I should just get another like three terabyte drive
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and just have it sitting there waiting
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in case something goes wrong.
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But then the other side of me thinks,
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well, I could overnight myself one
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if I really got desperate and one failed,
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so what's the big deal?
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I don't know, I was just curious
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if you guys had any spares.
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What's your approach on this, Jon?
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Yeah, I use mine in a weird way. I do have a separate time machine volume, like both
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of you, because basically I think you can only have one time machine volume. I have
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it actually set up as RAID 1, because it's the one part of the system that I wanted a
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little bit of redundancy on, and I didn't really care too much about speed, so it's
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not RAID 0, so it's a RAID 1, a two-disc RAID 1 volume for time machine. And I back up both
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of my computers over the network to that time machine thing. By the way, someone asked on
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Twitter, like, they showed me their backup setup, and they said, "Do you think this is
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sufficient I gave them a thumbs up or something. One thing I realized now that they were missing
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is, I think when they added this maybe Mountain Lion or maybe it was even Yosemite, they added
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the ability to add multiple targets for Time Machine so you could add a disk to your Time
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Machine thing and it will back up also to that disk so it won't like back up half to one and
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half to the other. It will do a full backup to one target and a full backup to the other target and
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basically alternate and I do that. One of my Time Machine backups is to a local disk that's sitting
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on the desk with my with the two respective computers and another time machine backup is
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over the network to the Synology on their raid one volume and they both fit on there.
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And then the rest of the disks I don't do anything with a raid I had it ranged differently in the
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beginning but now I don't do anything with raid because basically you know raid is not a backup
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strategy raid is mostly there to make sure your downtime is as small as possible but I don't care
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if my downtime is a couple days or even a week or whatever there's nothing essential on there
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It's just, you know, media and stuff like that mostly.
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So I have a bunch of different volumes
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that are complete copies of each other.
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Like I have my media volume,
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my media fits in under three terabytes.
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So I think I have like three or four copies of my media.
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One of them is synced with like the built-in Synology thing
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to the other one.
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One of them I copy with Carbon Copy Cloner
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on my Mac to the other volume at different intervals.
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And it's very strange,
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but basically what I wanted to have is like, look,
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if one of these things goes bad,
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I can just yank it out, order a new hard drive from Amazon.
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Doesn't really matter what size it is
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because they weren't in a raid set or anything.
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It's just like a new hard drive, right?
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And while I do that,
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I still have two more copies of all my data.
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Like basically I'm taking advantage of the fact
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that this Synology holds a tremendous amount of data
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and I don't have that much data.
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So I'm using it as a series of volumes.
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And so far the drives have been fine.
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I'm not really worried about them failing.
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You do get, you guys get that monthly disc health report.
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Synology will email you and say,
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here's the health report for your disks.
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It will tell you how many bad sectors
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and how many errors or whatever.
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All zeros every month on these things.
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So I'm not particularly worried about them.
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Lots of redundant data on there.
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Like basically I have the same set of data copied
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multiple times on multiple plain old single disk volumes.
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- Yeah, that's really not bad.
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- It's not the answer I expected, but I can get behind that.
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- And I have spare empty disks still.
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Like, so if I need to put something else in,
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Like it seemed like a strange setup to me
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and I tried different arrangements,
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but in the end it's like,
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look, I don't care about downtime,
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I just care about the data being safe.
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And I know now if I download something or rip something
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and put it in my media drive,
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it will slowly migrate to the other copies
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of the media drive over time.
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And I'll have three copies of it.
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- And do neither of you guys have online backup
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for your Synology stuff?
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- I do, I mount it on my wife's computer
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and then I use CrashPlan,
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which can back up network drives?
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- Yep, ditto.
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- Yeah, that's the one thing I wish Backblaze did.
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And they've said a number of times that, you know,
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just kind of a cost issue because NAS drives can be huge,
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but I really hope, they've always said
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that they are thinking about it in the future.
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I really hope they do network drives
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because that's the one downside of it.
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And I like it so much without that
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that I'd go through this crazy setup
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with mounting iSCSI on a Mac mini
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to have it be posted on a Mac officially and have it be backed up that way, but I've tried
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crash plan running on the Synology because they have an actual client that runs on there.
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I've tried crash plan running on the on a Mac that's backing it up over the network
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and whatever the whatever the reason is, it doesn't work for me and and there's some kind
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of issue that the crash plan client is still written in Java and there's some kind of issue
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you where you start hitting weird memory limits. If you
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have a large number of files, regardless of the file size, I
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think I think it's just if you have a very large number of
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files, the the crash plan client can start crapping out
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doing weird things and erroring out or being just
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ridiculously slow to upload them or to track them and I I
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hit those problems every time I've tried crash plan,
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whether it was on on the Synology itself or on a Mac
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and I've tried. There are so many like alternative
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configuration files. I even blogged about one when I found
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that I thought worked and it worked for like a week and then stopped working.
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I've had nothing but trouble trying to back up a very large number of files to
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CrashPlan. That was one of my strategies for the Synology 2 is big files so it's
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like movie rips and like you know even the time machine thing it's disk images
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it's not all the little individual time machine files because when you do time
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machine over a network it makes huge disk images it is just really big files
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so it's not a million files it is a small number of multi gigabyte files and
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I think that's why I'm able to get away with CrashPlan backing it up.
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Yeah, I dig it.
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Moving on, we should talk about the new MacBook battery, the life it has under load.
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I'm not sure if this was John or Marco that added this.
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We were wondering a couple shows back,
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this new MacBook, it's really skinny. It's got a very tiny little battery in there. It's got a very low power CPU and
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The battery life we weren't sure about because it hadn't shipped yet and like well, maybe it gets the battery life
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They say if you use it lightly
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But what is it like if you use it heavily if you really stress this thing by you know?
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Just using Xcode constantly or using Photoshop or Final Cut or something like if you really really use this
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Does the does the battery life?
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Drop dramatically because like the CPU is like oh, I'm gonna be very conservative and sip power
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But it's like, you know, the ratings are like 1.1 gigahertz or 1.3, but it turbos up to like 2.9
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It's like what if you leave it in turbo mode all the time? Is it just gonna destroy your battery?
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Marco was musing that rather than just seeing battery life tests of like maybe a heavy and light load. He would like to see
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Delta's like
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How much worse is the battery life on this laptop in?
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heavy usage versus light usage and he was guessing that maybe the new MacBook would not be that great in that area because maybe gets
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All its power savings from being really careful, but if you really stress it, it just becomes more like a regular CPU
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So true to form and tech did that test with a bunch of laptops and as it turns out the new
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MacBook one one port to 12 inch retina, whatever you want to call it thing
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Has the best performance of any of the Apple laptops they tested when comparing its high load versus as low load it retains
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62.2% of its battery life and the next best one is 59 and it goes down with the 11 inch
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2011 MacBook Air being the worst where it gets like 38 percent 38.3 percent of its uh
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Low load battery life, so we'll put a link to this in the show notes. It's a pleasant surprise that the newest notebook not only
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Has the lowest power CPU and the tiniest battery, but also takes the smallest hit when you use it at load now marco's blog post
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I think was about how all these are not great that all of them right this great battery life if you just surf the web
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but if you use any of them hard, forget about all day,
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you're down into the four or five hour range.
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- Yeah, that was the most depressing part for me
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because Apple loves to use this phrase
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all day battery life now, and of course,
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what is considered all day varies by what device
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they're talking about and also by how you're using it.
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And so all day battery life on the watch is,
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from all the reviews you've heard so far,
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sufficient to actually last through the day for most people,
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unless you're really using it a lot
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having the screen on a lot. Then a lot of then some of the
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reviews have said, oh, we had to charge it midway through the day or whatever,
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but you it seemed like for the most part that's fairly accurate if you use it
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lightly the way Apple has made it possible to use today. The iPhone and
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iPad are both similarly advertised. I think I don't know if you actually use
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the phrase all day battery life on the iPhone yet, but I'm pretty sure they've
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used it on the iPad and you know similarly advertised of yeah all day and
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And the iPad that actually seems pretty accurate,
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it seems like it gets about eight to 10 hours of battery life
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depending on what it's doing most of the time.
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The iPhone is more varied, it seems to depend more
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on what you're doing and things like radio reception,
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how hard the cell radio is working,
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whether you're using GPS or not, things like that.
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The laptops, Apple advertises them as having,
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generally I think the lowest claim they make now
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like seven hours and that's on the 15 inch something like that and and their
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claims are pretty accurate if you compare them to other third-party light
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web browsing type tasks and that's in the nntech one here they they showed
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basically the same thing that like their numbers line up pretty well with apples
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for a light web browsing workload the problem though is and so you know light
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web browsing workloads right now you can get if you if you consider the old
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old MacBook Air, the non-retina MacBook Air,
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you can get 12 hours on the 13 inch.
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But if you only want a retina machine,
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which I was saying at this point,
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I think most buyers who are considering buying
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a new laptop today, the smart move obviously,
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I think, is to go retina.
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Like I wouldn't consider any other machine today
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besides a retina machine.
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So for that, you're maxing out at eight hours of light usage
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and if you're using it and that's only that's like not
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even the fifteen inch. If you get the fifteen inch, you're
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maxing out more like six to seven of light usage and then
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the heavy usage, which they're heavy usage is not even that
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heavy. It's like it's like it's still web browsing, but I
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think it's like loading pages more frequently and also
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downloading a large file and playing a movie in the
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background. I wouldn't call that a very heavy workload.
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You're probably not maxing out any of the cores for you know
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for a sustained amount of time.
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Like there's like, this is a very generous definition
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of a heavy workload.
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- Well, the movie playing in the background is substantial
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because it is just never giving the CPU a break.
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It's always just decoding, decoding.
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- Unless it's using like hardware H.264.
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- Oh, I'm sure it is, but still.
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I mean, that's not a very, I mean,
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that would have been a heavy test in 2006.
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That is not a very heavy test in 2015.
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But either way, okay, that's fine.
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under that allegedly heavy workload, none of the retina
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machines get over five hours. The the new MacBook one gets
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five point. Oh, three hours and an insect test. Every other
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one was below five and the fifties are four like and this
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makes me sad as somebody who usually wants the fifteen inch
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laptop. So this like these numbers, this is not all day
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battery life and and this is this is my main disappointment
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in in the current lineup is that if you if you actually use it in any way
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heavily you're not going to make it you're not going to make it on a cross
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country flight necessarily you're probably not going to make it all day at
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work if you forgot your adapter at home stuff like that like the scenarios that
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that don't necessarily happen every day but it's clear that Apple is pushing
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that direction like like the MacBook one having no mag safe we talked about this
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a lot before where it's pretty clear through the way they were things and
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even just the way it's designed it's pretty clear that they don't intend for
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this thing to be used plugged in all the time they intend for it to be more like
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an iPad where you plug it in like to charge it at night basically and you use
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it all day without being plugged in and presumably you're moving about somewhat
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but that's as we can see from this under the heavy workload here even the MacBook
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one only lasted five hours so that's a pretty short day if you don't have your
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if you're not plugging it in and all the other ones even fair much worse. So my
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argument here is I wish there was there were some models that that broke out of
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this pattern like the heavy workload battery life is such these are such
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small numbers and right now Apple like the there used to be different
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categories of laptops there would be like the desktop replacement and then
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like the kind of mid-range and then the thin and light ultra portables right now
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now, it seems like everything Apple makes is a thin and light ultra portable,
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and so my argument is I wish they would make not even many, but just like one or
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two models that traded thin and lightness a little bit for a bigger
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battery and just offered really great battery life. I'm not asking for their
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entire line to do this. I know if the nurse is sexy and it sells really well
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and that's great and they love it and that's fine. I get the appeal there, but
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I wish it wasn't the only choice in the lineup like
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there. All these things are, you know, moving some
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sliders and and making all these trade-offs. There's so
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many trade-offs to be made here with designing a
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physical thing like this, especially with battery power
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versus weight and and fitness. I want to be clear.
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Thinness is not usually the main goal. I think the main
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goal is weight savings and fitness is something you can
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do afterwards as a result of having removed components
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from the inside that were big and heavy, but I just I wish
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there were other options here and a lot of people have
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pointed to well, you can get an external battery pack for
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things like the iPhones and iPads and the MacBook one now
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that has usbc that's probably going to be compatible with
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with external battery packs as well, though it seems like
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there aren't any that really have enough power yet, but you
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know they that will happen. You'll be able to get external
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battery packs and that's good, but you can't do it yet. That's
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problem number one and problem number two is as you see with
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iPhone and battery solutions there.
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External battery packs have a huge cost associated with using them rather than just having more
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battery life in the device to begin with.
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It's similar to how I was complaining a few weeks back about how USB hubs are all pretty
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terrible and that by removing USB ports and forcing people to use hubs you're forcing
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people to trade a nice reliable internal integrated thing for an external thing made by random
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third parties that usually isn't very good.
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have similar issues where if the device has good battery life up front built in
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then it's it's just nicer it's better if you have to rely on extra batteries
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external batteries have their own charging circuitry they have their own
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cases if you're talking about like an iPhone battery case that means you have
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like two different layers of plastic or metal around this battery that you have
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to then add to the thickness of the phone rather than just having it built
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in and skipping all those layers you have ports to worry about you have
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different cables you have to keep it charged somehow and it charges
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separately and it might not be like a pass-through kind of charge or you have
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a different cable. There's so many little annoyances and and costs and burdens
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taxes really associated with relying on external battery packs to supplement
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your devices. It's so much nicer and and more efficient to have them built in.
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We were talking about this earlier in the week I think I mentioned like a Mophie
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for your Apple Watch. Same deal with the Apple Watch, not a lot of battery life.
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Well get a crazy g-shock looking mofi type case that clamps on the thing somehow and provides extra battery power
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We're making it bulkier. Well for the MacBook one
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How about like a an iPhone mofi style thing for the MacBook one that clamps onto the bottom and makes it thicker, right?
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or you know thinking of your the logical conclusion of your
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Sort of battery outlier thing is bring back the 17-inch put the MacBook ones CPU inside it just fill the rest with battery
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Still still one port of course, that's the thing too because because they offer machines that have giant batteries
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But they have hotter CPUs and GBs exactly like as you move up the battery capacity amount
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they also ramp up the component types so that you can't get a
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15 inch MacBook Pro with a 15 watt TDP CPU in it like the ones that go in the MacBook Air
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You can't get that
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They don't offer that option and I would do that if they offered
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The MacBook one CPU is pretty low that they get to get that that that 4.5 watt TDP
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I might still take it but it's pretty low
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But even if they just put the MacBook air class CPU the 15 watt ish TDP range
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They take that and put it in the 15 inch rather than the 35 40 watt TDPs
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They have in there for the quad cores. I would buy that because that then you'd have this computer that has
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Way more battery life than the current 15s and yeah, it wouldn't have as good a performance
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but I don't necessarily need quad cores on my laptop and I bet I'm not the only
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one I mean you can look right now you can see the sales of the MacBook one
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being apparently pretty good considering you can't get them like they're there
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it seems like they the sales are likely exceeding their projected demand for it
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so obviously there there is demand here for things that have other qualities
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besides top performance man I would kill for it for why I wouldn't kill but I
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I would love a 15 inch laptop that had a really low power
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CPU in it and just gave me all that bonus battery life
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as a trade off to that.
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- Did you see the link they put in the chat room
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to this tough armor snap on case for the Apple Watch?
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This does not add battery to it,
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but just merely makes your Apple Watch bigger and uglier.
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- This is so bad.
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- Oh my God, that was not a joke?
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- No, look, I put the link in,
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look at the links in the chat room.
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- I saw a picture of this fly by on Twitter,
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I thought it was a joke.
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- Yeah, I mean, I guess it protects the nice shiny,
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If you get the sport one and don't want people to know,
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you cover it up with this thing.
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And like, oh yeah, it's the Apple Watch.
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It's not the sport at all.
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- Yeah, I don't think,
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I don't think you're gaining anything
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by adding this to it though.
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- Yeah, it's too bad it doesn't come with any battery.
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It's funny you were talking about thinness and battery life
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because although I don't have a lot to say
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about the battery life,
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earlier today I was at work and the IT guy at work
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sent me an IM and was like, "Hey, I have a Mac question for you. Would you mind coming
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over?" And so I went over to his desk and long story short, our CEO had upgraded from
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the very, very first retina MacBook Pro to a brand new 15 inch retina MacBook Pro. And
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the IT guy wanted to get our CEOs 160 or whatever it was gig VMware Fusion VM from one laptop
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to the other. And he had this like three terabyte external drive hanging off the old machine.
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And he said, "Well, it won't let me write to it."
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Because it's NCFS.
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And so initially, my first thought was,
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well, duh, let's just get a couple of ethernet cables
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and hook it up to a switch and life will be good,
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except they're too thin
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and they don't have ethernet ports.
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And so I said, okay,
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well, we'll just get the stupid dongle.
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So you have, oh, we don't have any dongles.
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And it's like, I understand why we want them to be thin.
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Just like you guys said, it's sexy, it sells,
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it's lighter in many cases,
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easier to carry, but God, what I wouldn't have given
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for a couple of darn ethernet ports.
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Like, is that really too much to ask?
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I don't know, it just seems crazy to me.
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- Why don't you just reboot into Windows?
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- Well, and actually what he had said was, you know what?
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I'll dupe the VM and I'll have one of the VMs in Windows
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copy the copy onto the external drive,
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the copy the duplicate of the VM onto the external drive.
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So it's Windows writing to an NTFS partition.
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But that was really convoluted until,
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and we almost did it until we realized that,
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oh wait, we have other externals we can use
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and we can just format them to be HFS plus ding
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and pray for the best.
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Now I did try airdrop,
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but that was so unbelievably slow for 160 gig file
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that we didn't even see the little circle progress meters
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start to fill in.
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- Yeah, it's probably not really made for that.
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- And you couldn't do Thunderbolt both ways?
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They have that now.
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- I didn't know if that was a possibility
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and I was confident we didn't have the cables,
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even if it was.
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- Yeah, that's the other part, yeah.
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The problem with Thunderbolt networking
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is that nobody has Thunderbolt cables just lying around.
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I don't know, it's just, I agree with you guys.
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I wish just a shade more thickness
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I really don't think would be so bad.
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- And again, it doesn't have to be the whole product line.
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It doesn't even have to be the main product.
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But the 13 inch MacBook Pro, the 15 inch MacBook Pro,
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these are things that are already,
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they're a little bit past the mainstream.
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They're a little bit above the mainstream.
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15 is significantly above the mainstream. And I even said in the article, like, I wish
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they'd bring back the 17. And I got a lot of people saying, "Oh my God, I'll buy that
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in a second." People love the 17. But it's okay to have something at the top of the lineup
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that is not thin and light. Like, even if you look even at the new Mac Pro design, right,
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like which we talked about, I think, in the past. But even if you look at that, they've
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they've made trade-offs there that weren't necessarily that
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nobody was really asking for, but they made them regardless
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and like reducing the amount of slots and bays and ports and
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everything and some of that is beneficial and some of it is
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just kind of well, I didn't really need that, but oh well
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and again like I wish that like for things like the pro
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customers, the pro products.
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I wish the thinness and lightness wasn't as high of a
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priority as it is. I still want them to work on that and bring
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to like the 15 inch line but again it doesn't have to be the only option. Yeah
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all right why don't you tell us about something that's cool these days. Our
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first sponsor this week is Cards Against Humanity. Oh yes.
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So John what is the toaster oven of the week? So this week we have the Proctor
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"Cylex Durable Toaster Oven Broiler" model number,
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I think this is the model number, 31116R.
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Wow, this is a small one, very small.
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I think it's the smallest toaster I've tried so far.
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Barely fits two slices of bread.
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It looks very tiny and cute.
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- Wait, wait, wait, is this white?
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- I asked not because of white.
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Ha ha ha ha.
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No, because I'm looking up on Amazon
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as you're talking to me about this.
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And as you're saying the words,
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you can barely fit two slices in it.
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I see the title on Amazon, which reads,
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and I'm reading this directly,
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Proctor Seileck's four-slice toaster oven, comma, white.
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- That's definitely not it.
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Like, the knobs are not even close.
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Anyway, very small, two slices if you're lucky.
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I think two big slices probably wouldn't even fit.
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It's got two, I think the quartz elements,
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the big, larger ones that light up really quickly
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instead of like the resistive ones
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that are thinner and take a long time to glow.
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Two big elements, one on top, one on bottom,
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with really big, nice metal guards over them.
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It looks kind of cute, but part of that cuteness
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is the fact that it has a curved top,
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which is just a bad idea.
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'Cause everyone wants to put stuff on top of the toaster.
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At the very least, you put the little tray
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that it comes with on top of the toaster.
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Maybe you put potholders on top of it.
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I know you probably shouldn't put a lot of stuff
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'cause it gets hot, but people do,
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and you don't have a lot of counter space.
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You put stuff on top of the toaster.
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You make it curved, everything you put on top
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sort of wants to skitter off the side.
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It's ridiculous, so bad idea there.
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Door feels pretty flimsy.
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The handle attached to the door feels flimsy.
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When you open the door,
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it feels like it might come off in your hand.
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It doesn't pull the tray out when you open.
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The pan, like the little pan that it comes with,
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has a thing where it slides underneath the wire rack.
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So you can kind of put something on the wire rack.
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Then if it drips, it won't drip onto the heating element.
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It'll drip into the pan.
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But of course the pan will also block the heat.
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I'm not entirely sure why that is in there,
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but it's an interesting feature at least.
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That tray sturdiness is reasonable.
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It doesn't look like it was stamped
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out of a piece of aluminum foil,
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but it's not particularly sturdy.
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It's got two knobs on front, a refreshingly simple interface.
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Just two knobs, no buttons, no anything else.
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The top knob is for temperature, so you go from 0 to 450, and then if you go past 450
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you're into the toast zone.
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It's got a broil setting too that's right around 450.
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And the bottom knob is basically just a timer.
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They put a bunch of markings on it, but what it boils down to is you turn it clockwise
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and it's a timer.
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You turn it to the left and it's just forced on and it stays on.
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This toaster is a ticker.
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Oh, you must love that.
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The way you do anything with it is top knob either set it to a temperature to bake set it to broil or set it
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To toast and then to make it do anything you take the bottom knob and you crank it either you put it to the force
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On position which I'm not sure why you do that. Maybe because like the bottom timer only goes to 15 minutes
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So if you want to go for longer than 15 and don't want to have to re crank it
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Just put it in the forced on position and I guess don't forget that it's on or you'll burn your house down
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But yeah, you turn it to whatever you want and they have little marks
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It look like toast getting darker around the five-minute mark, but bottom line
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It's just a timer tick tick tick tick tick pretty darn loud. Maybe two ticks a second
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I really don't like taking toasters. I just you know it
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Just you don't want that in the morning
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Do you want to have this loud thing ticking in your kitchen in the morning? I definitely don't really
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I mean I would think it would be helpful to help to help indicate that it is on
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Well, I mean like what I want from a toaster is again like for informed by my childhood
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But we had a little knob you push it down and then when it's done
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That goes ding and little thing comes up and that lets you know that your toast is done in between
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I don't need to know right just ding when you're done. That's all I want
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So but anyway, it's it's a small toaster. It has the two big quartz elements
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I had some high hopes that it would be a fast toaster, but it is way slow
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it was like more than a minute slower than my other toaster to toast a single slice of bread and
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The reason that does that is that the bottom element does not turn on when you're in toast mode
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The bottom element does not turn them on you're in boil mode
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The only time the bottom heating element turns I thought was broken at first
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The only time the bottom heating and what turns on is when you're in bake mode and I don't understand that at all
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Like if I want to toast I want both sides of the bread toasted
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How are you gonna toast both sides of the bread if you just turn on the top element?
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So it makes it super slow and it's stupid
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So you like it this is my least favorite toaster because it's really small it's really slow it ticks and it does something dumb
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I didn't get the
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Maybe if I put it on bake at 450 it would toast bread faster than if I put it on toast
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Oh, yeah, and of course you have to turn it knobs exactly the right spot, which is you know, very fuzzy or whatever
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So big thumbs down in this toaster at high hopes given just the specs and the size but that just does too many things wrong
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Four slice capacity. You've got to be kidding me. Like do you know that cinnamon raisin bread that peppered for themselves?
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You know that comes in a little plastic bag. It's pre sliced. Yep. You know how small those slices are
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I don't think you could fit four of them in here
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Could you fit four melba toasts in here for what?
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But no it is it is a ridiculous toaster for this price
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I would have to see the price of the tuna black and Decker one because the tuna black and Decker one was way better and
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Just a little bit bigger and it was similarly featured two knobs turned to the right thing or whatever
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But it just did the job better it toasted actually toasted stuff
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Like I would I could never wait for this thing to toast something and when it was done
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It would just have toasted at the top. So
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Do not buy this toaster. Well, thanks a lot to Cards Against Humanity for sponsoring this week. All right
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That was exciting. I love those
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Speaking of exciting John your one of your favorite albums is
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available again. Well, it never really wasn't available, but half of the internet has written
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us to inform us that the Journey soundtrack is available on vinyl. So, are you picking
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a copy up? Everyone should have been writing to you, because you might be excited about
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it. Why would I be excited about it? I have the Journey soundtrack in a digital form.
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Actually, I do as well. Yeah, and I would never want it on a record, because A) I don't
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have anything to play it on, and B) why would I want that? Why? You mean you don't want
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things to be less convenient, scratchy, less reliable over time, bigger and also sound
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>> Yes, yes, yes.
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>> Maybe like the picture discs, they look kind of cool and the album cover is kind of
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cool art wise, but I do also have the Journey art books. I feel like I have the Journey
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artwork stuff covered.
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>> So it's at best a poster and at worst a trinket.
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>> Yep. I mean, it's like maybe a kind of a neat collectible thing, but I would never
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play it or anything. But, you know, in case you might like it, you would get them and
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bring them to your dad's fancy turntable, right?
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Well, that's the thing is I was going to remind the internet who seems to forget
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so often that I actually do not own a turntable.
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And I think that, and I think that people seem to forget that just because I
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fancy turntables and just because I think that the tea ceremony is fun and
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I won't say whether or not I think they sound better, but I actually do not own
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a turntable. And of course, anytime anything happens, even vaguely related to
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vinyl. Half the internet comes to remind me either that vinyl is terrible or "oh
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haha look people are actually buying vinyl you're all frickin crazy" etc etc.
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But no I actually do not own a turntable and I'd like to get one at some point
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but I don't have one so I'm not going to be buying this either and if I did just
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like you said John I'd be bringing it to dads to listen to it there. Out of
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curiosity what was the Journey soundtrack originally recorded onto an
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analog medium and then kept analog through its entire editing and mastering
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process? Oh, surely not. Yeah. It is, it is recordings of people playing instruments,
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so start, it started off analog in that respect. Okay, so it isn't purely, you know, an electronic
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music soundtrack. Okay. But yeah, so I don't mind people who like vinyl. I just mind when
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they start saying it sounds better, because it sounds different and by almost every actual
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like objective measure, it sounds worse, but it does sound different. In some ways, it
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can be more pleasing to people or it can bring back fond memories of the past, and that's
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why it's popular. None of those things are evidence to tell people that it just sounds
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- Well, it's popular now because it's retro. That's why the quote-unquote hipsters like
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it because it is, because they don't have any nostalgic, probably, they were already
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going to live, you know, their parents didn't play record albums for them when they were
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young but it is a retro thing, you know.
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- Yeah, there is effectively no technical merit for it. There are lots of other reasons
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to enjoy it but any technical argument is not founded in reality.
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- Are you done?
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- I think so, for today.
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- I so deeply regret bringing this up. All right, so we should probably bring up WWDC
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tickets, and how that turned out. We've been asked several times, I have not knowingly
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replied to anyone on Twitter, I didn't know what the group of us wanted to do, if we wanted
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to make it a surprise or we wanted to share, and we have concluded we would like to share.
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So Jon, are you going to be able to go to WWDC?
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I don't know, I entered the WWDC ticket lottery and I did not get a ticket in the lottery,
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and I am not going without a ticket. So, there you have it, if I don't get a ticket I'm not
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going right now, I am not going. I still have my hotel booked because it's easy to cancel
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up to 24 hours before, but I do not have any flights booked and I'm not going without a
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ticket. So I'm kind of bummed by that and I was especially bummed hearing all the other
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people who did get tickets in the lottery. Those people may or may not include Marco?
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I did in fact get a ticket in the lottery. Which is extremely exciting and I actually
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did as well, which I'm very excited about. And I am very, very sad, Jon, that you did
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not get a ticket. I really wish that all three of us did. And who knows, maybe the WWDC ferry
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will sprinkle a ticket on you some way somehow. But yeah, that is the situation. So for those
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of you who had asked, that's the deal. Any other thoughts on that from the two of you?
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It's pretty good. Like two out of three. Two out of the three hosts got tickets in the
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lottery. That seems pretty good in the grand scheme of things.
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Yeah, it does seem like, I mean last year there was, as you mentioned last time, there
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there was a system last year where you could enter
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from multiple developer accounts,
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and you could enter if you weren't really that sure
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if you wanted to go, you just wanted to see maybe,
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oh, maybe I'll get the opportunity to buy a ticket.
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This year, you had to commit to buy one,
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and they would charge you to give it to you.
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- Oh, we should talk about that too,
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because that is heartbreaking.
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For the people who won the lottery,
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and Apple tried to charge their card,
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- Oh, yeah. - and got the charge,
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the charge didn't work, because their credit card company
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like flagged it as fraud or whatever,
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and in many cases immediately called the people and said,
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"Hey, some company just tried to charge your card $1600.
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We blocked it, do you wanna let the charge through?"
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And they'd be like, "Yes, yes, let the charge through."
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But it was too late.
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Apple didn't moved on and gave their ticket to someone else.
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I'm pretty sure that didn't happen to me,
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but that would have just broken my heart even more.
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- Yeah, to Marco's point,
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I know that happened to Swilliams
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and he handled it much better than I would have,
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but he was pretty upset about it.
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I would have been just fricking devastated.
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And it's funny because I don't remember
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if I told the story on the show,
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What's suffice it to say, during the registration process,
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even though I didn't read the part where it says,
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oh, you're going to be Insta-charged if you win,
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I did read something which I couldn't find
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when I went back to look for it.
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So I feel like it was during the process of registering
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that I saw it.
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But anyway, it said, you should probably warn your bank
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that this is gonna happen
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because we are reserving the right to just punt you
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if your card is declined.
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And so I saw that and I immediately called Bank of America and yes before you write me
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I understand that you hate Bank of America and they screwed you I get it Bank of America sucks vinyl sucks
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I know this is not the year of Casey apparently. It's an all-out attack on Casey right now
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It is wait till we talk about the white shirt. Oh
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Anyway, so I called Bank of America and this is actually the first not awesome experience I've had with a second not off awesome experience
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I've had with Bank of America and I called them and I said hey, you know, I'd like to pre-authorize this charge
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So it goes through blah blah blah and they said that's lovely, but we don't pre-authorize things
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Okay now it turned out that I did win the lottery
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I did get insta charged and it did go through which was slightly surprising because just a couple of years ago
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I don't remember which one it was
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I did have the WWE DC ticket
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Declined originally. I think this might have been the last year of the mad rush
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I'm sorry the next last year of the mad rush and
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You know, they called me and said do you want this? Yes. Yes for the love of God. Yes, let it go through and
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And so I was scared this year, but apparently it all worked out
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But first Williams he it's we had talked briefly he and I and I believe he said he had pretty much
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Instantly just like Marco was there money you said had instantly said yes
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Let the charge through and Apple had already moved on it was already too late tough no geez and that I
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Understand that but gosh, that's stinky man. I don't know. I don't understand that I
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say, you know, give it a window of time,
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maybe even 24 hours.
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It's like, it doesn't need to all,
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it's not as if there's a race for this all to be settled.
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Like we need to have all the tickets given to someone
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and it's like, if they won the lottery and they got picked,
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give it 24 hours for the charge to go through.
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I think that's reasonable, something like that.
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Because moving on immediately is just, you know,
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'cause I didn't, you know, I didn't call to pre-authorize.
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I'm pretty sure that wasn't the problem.
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Like I never saw any charges on the card
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and never got any calls about any charges being reduced.
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I just didn't win the lottery period, right?
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But if I did, I would be super upset.
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I don't feel like that's a great way to do this.
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Again, it's not like they were in a rush.
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Like 24 hours is fine.
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And for those people who won the lottery and then lost it,
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man, I mean, I guess it makes someone else happy
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because their ticket went to somebody else
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who previously wouldn't have won the lottery,
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but it's just, boy, that's a bummer.
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- It's a pretty crappy way to lose.
00:41:14
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And yeah, what Casey said, they did warn you on the pigs
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during the buying process.
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they told you this is what would happen.
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Just because they say that doesn't mean
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there's anything you can do
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to stop the stupid credit card company.
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Sometimes you can call them and say,
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"Please, just please let this through."
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And they'll be like, "Either we can't do this,"
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or be like, "Oh yeah, sure, we'll totally let that through,"
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and they'll reject it anyway.
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It's not like there's a human there approving this charge.
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It's just a bunch of algorithms.
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I don't know, maybe you're picking the wrong card.
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I may change which card is attached to my Apple ID
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to one that gets used more frequently
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so that this charge wouldn't look so strange on it
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or whatever, but anyway.
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Save that for next year.
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- I would say that was like the one aspect of this
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that didn't feel fair.
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The rest of it felt very fair, very nicely run,
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it was executed well.
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The whole rest of it I thought was great,
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but the credit card fraud thing,
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I think that was like the one part
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that is just kind of crappy for people.
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And it happened to a lot of people.
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It wasn't just Williams.
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I heard from a lot of people who it happened to,
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and that's really unfortunate.
00:42:12
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- Yeah, it really is.
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And you know, even though I said I understand it,
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as Jon was talking, I was thinking,
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You know, they told pretty much everyone, what was it, this past Friday, is that correct?
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You could have left a 24-hour grace period for them to register and still had time, if
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it didn't work out, to give other people the ticket and still made it by the promised time
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of five in the evening on Monday, Pacific time.
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So it is a major bummer, and God, do I feel terrible for Sue Williams and the other people
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who had this happen to them.
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I agree with you Marco that all told and I'd like to think I would say this even if I didn't get a ticket
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This was probably about as fair as they could have made it
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And like I said for the first Williams and people who got like it just feels bad because you know that happened
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But the bottom line is his ticket went to somebody else who otherwise wouldn't have gotten one
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So that person it's in the end. It is simply a random distribution of people
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It's just as a little bit of non randomness and like though if you got rejected
00:43:10
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Like it's as if some participants never could have won, right?
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- I also would say that it does seem just totally anecdotally,
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it does seem like a larger proportion of people who applied
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got them this year than last year,
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indicating that the whole multiple submissions thing
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from last year versus this year's committing thing
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seems to have helped.
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- Yeah, I would love to know what are the odds
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of two out of three of us getting it,
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'cause I feel like they did not give tickets
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to two thirds of the applicants.
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- Yeah, that's true, I don't know.
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Also a real-time follow-up from Stekert,
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he or she said, "There's no such thing as a pre-authorization,
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only an authorization.
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An authorization needs a payee."
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And then they continued, and this is interesting,
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"Here's how Apple could do it better.
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In the WWDC app," or perhaps in the store app,
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"Let people do an Apple Pay to authorize the payment
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and then only commit the transaction
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if and only if they win the lottery."
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- Yeah, that's what I was saying last week,
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was what we would do when we were running e-commerce,
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is you do an auth for the amount
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at the time they do the thing,
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but you don't do the settle part of it
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where you actually take the money from them.
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Like Auth doesn't do anything, just says,
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"Yes, you're authorized to pay this amount to this,
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"but like do the testing at that point."
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You'd still be in the same situation
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of like when you're clicking through the thing,
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if they tried to do the Auth and they got rejected,
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and then your credit card company called you,
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like what would have be happening then?
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Would you still be in the flow of clicking through?
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Would it send you back to the page
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or would it just be like,
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"Sorry, we tried to authorize it and we couldn't.
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"Now you can never go through this process again."
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I don't know.
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I mean, you have to think about what their goals are,
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but this is, they're tweaking the system.
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hopefully they'll tweak it again next year.
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Maybe some people were saying in the chat room,
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the people whose card got charged and then got rejected
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and then didn't get a ticket,
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maybe they have some recourse to say,
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look, Apple, I won the lottery,
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but my card got denied and I approved it.
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Is there anything you can do?
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I don't know, I haven't heard about anybody
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successfully doing that who didn't get their ticket
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because their card was rejected.
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But anyway, we can't all be winners.
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That's life.
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- That's super chipper.
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And then a final bit of follow up,
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just to remind everyone that ATP shirts
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are indeed available.
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There have been a lot of people
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who have already bought them,
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which we are all extremely thankful for,
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and that is very kind of all of you.
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Marco or Jon, I'm not sure which one of you
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happens to have this up,
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but do you want to talk about,
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speaking of shaming Casey,
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do you wanna talk about what the breakdown is
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of shirts thus far?
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- Yeah, sure.
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I mean, so you can go into campaigns,
00:45:40
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you can see this is not private information. If you just go to each one of the campaigns,
00:45:43
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you can see how many we've sold. And so the regular shirt, the middle one, we've sold
00:45:50
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about 600. The sport, we've sold 216. And the edition, we've sold 108. What's interesting
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and the reason why I think Apple made the Apple Watch Edition is that even though we
00:46:06
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we have sold roughly a sixth as many editions as we've sold the regular ones, it's making
00:46:10
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almost half the profit compared to the regular ones. So that's why the edition exists and
00:46:16
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the Apple Watch lineup I'm pretty sure.
00:46:18
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Well and the edition is much more than like our edition is twice the price of the shirt.
00:46:22
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The Apple Watch edition is more than twice the price of the Apple Watch.
00:46:26
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Yeah, by a lot. Yeah, it's yeah.
00:46:28
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So we don't know what's going to do their demand curve like at a certain point it starts
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that you get diminishing returns, but yeah.
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Apparently a lot of people are willing to pay $50
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for a t-shirt with gold colored foil on it.
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- Yeah, and we could've, the reason we didn't charge more,
00:46:42
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I got a couple people saying you should've charged more,
00:46:44
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and we thought about it for the joke value,
00:46:46
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I think it would've been funnier if we charged more,
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but the reason we didn't is because
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we knew some people would buy it.
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And I didn't wanna be responsible for somebody
00:46:55
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having spent like $100 or $200 on a t-shirt.
00:46:58
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- Yeah, like we would be doing it like,
00:47:00
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How high can we price it?
00:47:01
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Like, would it be funny to price it so high
00:47:03
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that we know nobody's gonna buy it?
00:47:04
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Or like the three people would buy it?
00:47:06
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And bottom line, I'm gonna buy
00:47:09
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one of these edition things too.
00:47:10
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I'm gonna buy one for my wife.
00:47:11
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So I'm buying my own stupid $50 T-shirt myself.
00:47:14
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- I bought two.
00:47:15
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Yep, one for me, one for Tiff,
00:47:16
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and one each of the regular, the shirt edition as well.
00:47:20
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Or not the edition, oh, the collection.
00:47:22
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God, these terms.
00:47:23
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- So the loser shirt out of this.
00:47:25
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You gave the breakdowns for ATP shirt, ATP shirt sport,
00:47:29
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- An ATP shirt edition, but remember that ATP shirt sport
00:47:32
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comes in two different styles
00:47:33
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that have two different ink colors on it,
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and that Teespring requires two separate campaigns
00:47:37
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if you have two different ink colors.
00:47:39
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So, ATP shirt sport comes in blue for a men's version,
00:47:42
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and white for a women's version.
00:47:44
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And the white women's ATP shirt sport
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has sold a grand total of three.
00:47:49
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- And for the first few days, it sold zero.
00:47:52
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- Yeah, it sold zero for a long time.
00:47:54
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Is it because it's white and people don't like white?
00:47:56
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Is it because a lot of women don't want an ATP shirt or don't listen to the show?
00:48:03
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I don't think we can get a breakdown.
00:48:05
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There's women's versions of all the other shirts as well.
00:48:07
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I don't think we can get a breakdown of how many of those are sold.
00:48:10
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Maybe when it's over we can find out.
00:48:12
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That white sport shirt is just not popular.
00:48:15
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It has sold three, which means that they're going to print it because I think three is
00:48:18
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the minimum.
00:48:19
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So the three lonely people who ordered the white women's shirt, you will get your shirts,
00:48:23
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but boy, not a good seller.
00:48:25
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All right, so here's the thing, kids. If you want to continue to encourage Marco to think that he's always right about everything, don't buy white shirts.
00:48:32
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But if you'd like Marco to be taken down a peg, do me a favor. Do all of us a favor. Buy yourself a white shirt.
00:48:40
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And it's a white women's shirt, by the way, so feel free to buy it. You don't have to be a woman to buy it, but be aware of what you're buying.
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- All right, so we put off for the last week or two,
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but the time has come.
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We should probably talk about photos for OS X.
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- I realized listening to last week's show
00:52:27
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that we keep talking about photos,
00:52:29
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and we mean the application whose name is Photos,
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that also happens to deal with photos.
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And you know, when I'm saying it,
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sometimes I'm saying it with a capital P,
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sometimes we're saying it with a lowercase P.
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It's another great name from the company
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that brought you the mail application that's called mail.
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And the notes application that's called notes
00:52:47
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and the calendar-- - And contacts.
00:52:49
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- That's called calendar and yes, so on and so forth.
00:52:52
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- It'd be like naming a magazine the magazine.
00:52:54
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- Yeah, seriously.
00:52:55
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So. - Anyway.
00:52:59
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- Who among us has been using photos
00:53:01
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for anything other than launching the empty application
00:53:04
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with nothing in it?
00:53:05
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- I have, Casey.
00:53:09
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Have you imported anything into it?
00:53:11
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- Nope, nope, I have not touched it.
00:53:12
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Every time it comes up, when I put in my SD card
00:53:15
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for my camera, I immediately quit and walk away.
00:53:18
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- Well, so you have launched it though then.
00:53:19
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- Well, it's launched itself.
00:53:21
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I haven't knowingly done it.
00:53:22
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The reason I haven't touched it is because I've heard
00:53:25
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just barely enough horror stories
00:53:27
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that I don't wanna go anywhere near it.
00:53:28
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And I suspect that the horror stories are one in a million.
00:53:33
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I suspect that in some, but not all cases,
00:53:36
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it was user error.
00:53:37
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But actually just earlier today,
00:53:40
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Stephen Hackett was talking to all of us
00:53:42
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about how he was having some problems with it.
00:53:44
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And yes, I could back up everything 35 more times,
00:53:48
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but it's just, this is not a problem that I have in my life
00:53:52
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that I feel like photos should or could solve.
00:53:56
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- Well, so what are you using instead then?
00:53:58
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So in terms of backup, I have photos on my personal machine, I have them duplicated to
00:54:07
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the Synology, and then also Time Machine and Crash Plan and Picture Life.
00:54:13
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And so between all of those things, I have it, I hope, pretty well covered.
00:54:18
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And I freaking love Picture Life.
00:54:21
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It's very much like Everpix was before it passed away, let it rest in peace.
00:54:25
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And Picture Life does everything I think I need, so I'm going to be listening very intently,
00:54:32
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no sarcasm intended, because I would be curious to hear what photos would do that Picture
00:54:37
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Life wouldn't do for me.
00:54:38
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So you just have the pictures in folders and there's no Mac application?
00:54:44
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That's correct.
00:54:45
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So how do you like look at your... after you take your pictures on your camera, you plug
00:54:48
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your camera into your computer, it slurps them all down into the whatever Picture Life,
00:54:51
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but like do you get to see them or do anything with them?
00:54:54
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Yeah, so the workflow is I put the SD card in the computer, I go through and I don't--it's
00:54:59
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extremely rare that I do any sort of post-processing, but I'll go through and I'll delete the ones that I know are just crap.
00:55:05
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I'll delete any raw files that I think I'll never need again and will inevitably regret having deleted.
00:55:10
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And then I will run them through a script that I tweaked that Dr. Drang wrote that
00:55:18
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will file them into folders by year, then month, and then rename the files so they're named by
00:55:25
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entire date including timestamp. The only other thing I'll do that's even vaguely like post-processing is I have some scripts
00:55:32
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which I believe I again stole from Dr. Drang that will add geolocation information to them.
00:55:38
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But basically what I do is I go through them, delete the ones
00:55:42
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I don't want, add geotags if I need to, and then have the script slurp them and file them away, and then Picture Life
00:55:48
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automatically finds them and uploads them.
00:55:50
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- So when do you look at them?
00:55:51
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Do you look at them after Picture Life pulls them up?
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Do you open the Picture Life app on your phone or something
00:55:57
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or go to the website or?
00:55:58
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- No, I mean, I could, but generally speaking,
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I look at them as I'm going through all of them
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to see which ones I want, which ones I don't want.
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- What do you mean as you're going through it,
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like in the finder?
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- Using Quick Look to look at them?
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- That's right.
00:56:12
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- That's a hell of a, I mean, well, jeez.
00:56:14
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Yeah, I guess that'll work, I mean.
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I'm not saying this is the right way of doing things,
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and please, I'm not looking for any answers
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other than this app.
00:56:24
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So whatever you're going to recommend,
00:56:26
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I appreciate it, but it's okay.
00:56:28
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I'm okay the way it is.
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But I am curious to hear what photos would do for me,
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and I'm not saying you won't.
00:56:34
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I'm not saying that sarcastically.
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I mean that genuinely.
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I'm curious to hear what photos would do for me
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to make this experience better.
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- Yeah, that's fair.
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I mean, it really depends a lot
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on how you wanna browse your photos.
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I mean, for me, my big problem that I've always had
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with photo apps is that you had to choose
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like good performance, good editing controls,
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and integration with iOS devices.
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And you had to choose between those things
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and you couldn't have all three of those.
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You could have at most two, you know,
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kind of like the project management triangle.
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Like you could have at most two.
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And photos actually hits all three
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and it is the first thing to have good iOS integration.
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iPhoto and Aperture never did.
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PhotoStream was never good.
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PhotoStream was always like a half solution
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that was almost dangerous in how much it didn't cover
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and how it didn't work.
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PhotoStream was just a nightmare of confusion
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and misled expectations of how it worked
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and what it did and what it didn't do.
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This is the solution, but the photo app,
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we'll talk about the app separately in a second,
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but just the whole concept of the photos in the cloud thing,
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I think that, this is like the cloud photo service
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that we have been begging Apple to make,
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'cause we knew that no one else could really have
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the integration into iOS devices the way Apple does.
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And we've been begging Apple to make this for years,
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and we all thought they never would, and then they did.
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And it seems like the cloud component
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actually works pretty well.
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I mean, I too have heard a couple of horror stories
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here and there, but it sounds like the problem
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is not in the cloud necessarily.
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It's either like, Stephen's story sounds like
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the app corrupted itself a little bit,
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it's local database.
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- Yeah, I think so.
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- I've heard a couple of people who said that
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the import didn't import some large chunk of their files,
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and those are both serious problems for sure,
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but those are very unlikely to be cloud related.
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So I think it's safe to say so far with what we've seen,
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So far it looks like the cloud part of this
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is quite good actually.
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It seems to be working and it's all built on like Azure
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and Amazon Web Services and stuff as far as we know.
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So it should scale properly, it should scale okay.
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I mean there's already tons of people importing
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massive back catalogs of photos into it
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all within the last couple of weeks or within a short time.
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And it seems to be doing pretty well.
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So overall it seems like the cloud part is fine.
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it seemed like the cloud part works.
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And that's impressive, that's a very, very
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impressive accomplishment right there.
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We'll talk about the pricing in a bit,
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but functionally it seemed like the cloud part works.
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The app is certainly up for debate.
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I would say this is definitely not
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a replacement for Aperture.
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The way that Apple kind of wedged it and said,
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"Oh well, we're gonna stop working on Aperture now,"
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even though we were kind of never really working on it
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that much, but we're gonna stop working on it
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for real this time.
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And it, you know, that's less good for Aperture users.
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I'm coming from Lightroom and I used to use Aperture
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and then before that I used iPhoto.
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And what I always wanted in iPhoto is just like
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the nice simple management that iPhoto offers.
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I never wanted the really complicated like filing system
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and management and keywording and everything.
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I never wanted that part of what Aperture offered
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or light room. I really just wanted i photo with better
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editing controls and that's what this is. That's what it
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feels like a total rewrite of i photo for for the new
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generation of everything total. It's like i photo x, you know
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like or ten, but however you however you pronounce it for
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software like this. That's not the operating system. It does
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feel like that it's the the modern version of i photo with
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really good editing controls and it does things that I
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wouldn't have guessed they would have done. Like for example, it is doing
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lossless editing on those adjustments and then it syncs the adjustment values
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to your iOS devices. So you can like adjust the brightness on one device and
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then you can like go to a different device and keep adjusting the brightness
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and it's basing it on the same base image. It isn't like baking it into the
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image or making a copy and doing that. Like it's doing it properly. It's doing
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what you what you would want it to do. So from all that perspective, this seems
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exactly what I wanted and I'm so far I've used it very little so far I
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imported my whole library but I've done very little editing in it I browsed a
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little bit the browsing interfaces is nice there I have you know some wishlist
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items here and there for like you know different views or sorting options or
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whatever but for the most part it's minor stuff overall I'm pretty impressed
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with it it seems like they took a very big problem that nobody has fully solved
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and solved it in exactly the way that is probably
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gonna be best for me at least,
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and probably a lot of other people.
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- All right.
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- So are you gonna ever give it a shot, you think,
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or are you gonna wait a long time, if ever?
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- I think I'm gonna wait between a medium and a long time.
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I did hear, and I heard a couple of horror stories
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which were like 12th hand information
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about large deletions that happened.
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Again, when you have as many customers as Apple does, this is inevitably going to happen.
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No software is perfect, but especially since I'm a new dad, and even though I have all
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my photos in, what did I say, quadruplicate or whatever, I'm scared to mess with this
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Additionally, one of the things that I've made a critical part of my workflow, which
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which is what I described earlier by tagging,
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geotagging all my pictures that are taken
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with my Micro Four Thirds camera.
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Part of the reason I've done that is because
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Picture Life does a really good job of allowing you
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to search for photos by location.
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And I believe it was Unconnected that they said that
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it isn't possible to geotag pictures today
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with the Photos app, I don't think.
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Obviously I've not used it, so this is me going out
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on a limb, but I believe that's what they said.
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- I think that's right, but I mean, again,
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this is a 1.0, really.
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Like it is officially like, you know,
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the next version of iPhoto and Aperture,
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but really it's a 1.0.
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It feels like a total ground up rewrite.
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So it would not surprise me if things like,
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and it will obey geotags that are already embedded
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in the files, but it won't let you modify them afterwards.
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And you know, that's the kind of thing
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I can see them changing later, you know,
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adding a feature later.
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So that's not a huge deal for me.
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And also most of the photos I shoot
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are with my iPhone anyway, so it's already geotagged.
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So, you know, again, it depends on how you use it.
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And one thing I like about it from a paranoia perspective is when we first heard about this
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app, you know, almost a year ago, I tell you what you see last year, when we first heard
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about it, we talked about it on the show and I had expressed a concern of, you know, I
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don't want, I don't want the only copies, the only master copies to be in the cloud.
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I want, I want a local app that just has files sitting in the file system that I can then
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back up and I can restore if necessary or adjust and that's
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what this offers. It is very similar to iPhoto in that it
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has a package, which is just a directory. It has a package
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that inside that package of its database is just all your
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files and they're not organized in any particular useful way,
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but they're all there. And so if you ever had to reorganize
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them, you could you can order them by their exit dates and
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and it'd be fine. So that is all there. I import things into it by dumping a bunch
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of files on it. There's nothing saying I couldn't do the same thing again if I
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ever had to like start fresh. If there's something ever got corrupted, I had to
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like delete all of my photos from iCloud and start over again. It looks like I'd
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be able to do that just fine with my regular backup system that I have and I
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have this Mac sitting here with all the files on it. It also gives me, you know,
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the the options it has for reducing local disk space usage. That is really
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string from a backup perspective because you could, for instance, have a Mac Mini
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in your house somewhere in your closet or somewhere or at work that has enough
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disk space on it that you could have that be a second client and have that
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backup your entire library to itself and then maybe on your main computer if you
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get a new computer with an SSD in it that maybe you don't maybe don't have
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space for all your photos or you don't want to buy the terabyte SSD for a
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thousand bucks or whatever, then maybe you can have your
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main computer not have all the originals on it and you have
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some other some other Mac that is logged in and is backed up
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in its own way like with backblaze or whatever have
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that logged in and be backed up somewhere else that can have a
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big slow disk in it and have that not be part of your main
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computer anymore. I can see that especially being helpful
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for laptop users. So the options this gives you are for
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for geeks like us who want control over the files are
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actually pretty good.
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Yeah, I am impressed by them.
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And one of the things that makes me want to try it,
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as much as I am very reticent to do so,
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is I'm probably going to be upgrading
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my three or four-year-old personal machine,
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which is a 15-inch Retina MacBook Pro,
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or not Retina, excuse me, 15-inch Hi-Rez MacBook Pro.
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I'm looking at upgrading that
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to probably a new 15-inch machine sometime soon.
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And this thing has, I think, a 750-gig hard drive in it.
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and I don't have an overabundance of free space on it.
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And that's in part because I have all 118 gigs
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of photos and videos as per picture life on it.
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And it does sound really awesome to be able to buy
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a computer that maybe doesn't have a tremendous SSD in it,
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yet still have access to all my photos
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as though they were there.
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And I would choose a strategy much like
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what you're saying Marco,
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I'd probably leave the one I have today,
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downloading all of them and operating as a backup
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and then have my main machine just grab whatever
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one's photo sees fit.
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So in terms of what they're promising,
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it genuinely does sound really, really good.
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And I am very impressed by it.
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I don't know.
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Do we want to talk about pricing?
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Or Jon, you've been very quiet.
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Do you have thoughts about this?
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No, it's just listening to what you guys were doing.
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I think I talked about this before,
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that I was going to be cautious about this.
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I didn't install any of the betas.
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I didn't enable iCloud photo library
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when that was in beta in iOS or anything like that.
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I just stayed away from it. But when all the reviews came out for the Photos app, I read
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all of them and talked to some of the people who wrote them and asked questions and investigated.
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And the thing that made me decide when the official version was released to dive in and
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do it and import my real library was the way that it does the imports. If you have an existing
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iPhoto library, it will... I have an existing iPhoto library, it's on an external 500GB
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SSD, the library itself is around 260, 270 gigs.
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I can't duplicate that library and still fit on the disk, but the way it does it if you
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have an existing library is it doesn't duplicate the files, it just makes hard links to all
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the files, which does not increase the disk space for them, it just references them.
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And once you do that, once you do a full import, A) it should go faster because it's not actually
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copying 260 gigs of memory, it's just making a bunch of hard links and writing a bunch
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of metadata or whatever.
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B, after you do that, you've got your iPhoto library still completely unmodified.
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You could launch iPhoto and it would still just be right there.
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And you've got your photos library, which in the beginning is an exact copy of your
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iPhoto library, with some other caveats I'll get to in a little bit.
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And then if you start using photos, you will slowly diverge.
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The photos library will start changing, you'll add new photos to it, you'll make modifications.
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Those modifications won't be reflected in the iPhoto library.
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If I was to go back in time and modify a picture from three years ago, I would get a private
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It's copy on write.
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I would get a private copy in the photos library.
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So the way this is done, the fact that I don't have to double my disk space, that I can start
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from where I left off in iPhotos, and that I could essentially bail at any time, just
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sort of export the photos that I imported into the photos app after the transfer process,
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and then throw away the photos library, and then just reimport those into iPhoto if I
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wanted to go back.
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What Casey doesn't have to deal with, but what I have to deal with is the idea that
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you know, iPhoto is gone, iPhoto is dead.
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I used iPhoto since its introduction as my way to deal with photos with a couple of brief
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side trips into Aperture when it could read your iPhoto library and stuff.
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And I looked at Lightroom and stuff like that.
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But I have an investment in this program and metadata and everything, and if it's dead,
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I need to get on the thing that is going to replace it, and sooner is better than later.
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I have a lot of problems with live photo. It's just that it is really on its last leg
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So I was hoping that photos would solve these problems for me. So I did the import
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It was a little bit weird because what it initially does it wants to make a new photos library
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And it wants to make it on my main disk and that's no good because this is on the MacBook Air
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It's got a tiny little SSD in it
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So I had to dissuade it from you know
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I had to make it open a new library delete the little library that it made and then I had to make the
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The second library like you launch with the option key down and pick a different library
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I had to make that the quote-unquote system library because if you don't do that
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Then all of your photo stream stuff will only go into the system library
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So for a little while I have like my external library on the external drive
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But the system library was that new little empty one. That's where all the streams are going. So that was a little bit confusing
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I'm not confusing like I could figure out what was going on
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But I figure if someone else was using this they would be confused about why they're not getting anyway
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Maybe they would want to have multiple drives
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But bottom line is I could get to the point where I wanted it
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I imported my library which took a really really really long time way longer than I thought it should take if since it's not actually
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copying the data
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And during it it's like while you wait why not take a tour of the photos application
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And there's no way in hell. I was clicking that thing to take a tour of the most like
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I'm not touching this computer until it's done importing. I don't want to do anything to perturb the program
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I don't know what kind of slideshow
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introduction thing it's gonna do but that is the last thing I want is that to crash the app lines in the middle of my
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Import so did you open any other windows?
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Just let it sit there and it took just a tremendous amount of time. This is not uploading to iCloud forget about I go
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This is just merely like importing my photos library. It's like
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67,000 photos or something
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260 270 gigs there are some videos mixed in there, but not too many
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So I let it do all that and then the next thing was like if there's settings that the market was talking about you can say
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Do you want me to keep all the photos on your Mac? Yes
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I definitely did because it's the whole point like I want them to be there
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I want to get backed up and all that other stuff
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The interesting thing that was the time machine I think was smart enough
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Not to like time machine knows that they're hard links it understands them or whatever
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So it is not as if time machines like oh my goodness. I have 260 new gigs to back up
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No, it doesn't it doesn't have it
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Just you know that that the use space on my external disk did not grow up go up by that much
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It just had like its little database in the metadata and stuff and then the photos as they were so the time machine backup caught
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up pretty quickly
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Turned on the iCloud thing of course I had to buy more iCloud storage
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And we'll talk about storage pricing a little bit. I did that I bought enough storage to fit all my stuff
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Which is I bought 500 gigs of storage
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And then I let it upload and the uploading
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It's a weird like it shows a progress bar on the preferences window
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But every time I launched the preferences window the progress bar started from zero kind of and the other part of it
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that wasn't in the preferences window said uploading,
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you know, X thousand photos.
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In the beginning it said uploading 67,000 photos
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and the number would go down
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and then it would say uploading 50,000,
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uploading 49,000.
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Like that's a weird way to show progress.
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Like I understand what it's getting at,
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but what's wrong with a progress bar guys?
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Like, you know, if you didn't know that it started at 60,000
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you wouldn't know you were half done
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when it said uploading 30,000.
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Anyway, it took like two days to upload all my photos.
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It was not using all of my connection
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This has been a big complaint with people who have smaller upload pipes that the photos app will just use as much upload
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Bandwidth as you have and like if you saturate your upload bandwidth, it makes your experience doing anything else really miserable
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There is an option in preferences to say stop uploading
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It's like pause for a day is the only button
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But like that's not a great option if it's noon and the thing is destroying your upload pipe and you do pause for a day
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All you've done is scheduled for it to destroy your upload pipe tomorrow at noon
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Again, I didn't have that problem because it was not using my entire upload pipe not even close and I got like 35 megabits up
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And it was maybe using two three or four. I don't know. I guess I could figure it out took about 48 hours to go
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It was not even sometimes it went really fast. Sometimes it went slow
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I've heard from people who have looked at the traffic going over the wire that it was uploading directly to Amazon s3
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Like not going to Apple servers. It was going to you know, something s3 Amazon comm we're just fine
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I don't care where the hell it is. Like as long as it's uploaded somewhere, you know
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I don't need to know the implementation details
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for people wondering, I've heard reports of that,
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but I didn't check it myself.
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After it uploaded everything, I had to look at like,
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what has it done to my iPhoto library?
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'Cause I put a lot of time into my photo library.
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I talked about my rating system and my key wording.
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I keyword for people in my family.
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I do ratings as a series of filtering.
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Three stars or higher are the good ones.
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Anything below that is bad.
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One star usually should be deleted.
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Very few four and five stars.
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I'm not surprised at all.
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It's a threshold.
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It's exactly the same thing I do for iTunes.
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It's more of a thresholding system.
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I want to say, what are the good photos?
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If, for example, we're making a calendar, which we do,
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like we use the websites that let you make a calendar
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with pictures of your family on it,
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I immediately go to pictures from last year, three stars
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Those are the good ones.
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Those are the ones even worth looking at.
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And then the one star is periodically,
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when I get space tight, I just go,
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let me see all the one stars, and I'll delete them.
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Photos doesn't do that.
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Photos has favorite or not favorite.
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A favorite uses a star, not favorite has no star.
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So it is a very binary filtering system,
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which is kind of in keeping with how I was using it.
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Like the three star was the threshold.
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So how the hell does it import my library
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where they were all rated?
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Well, it still has keywords
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and it makes a one star keyword,
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two, it says like one space star, two space star.
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Those are keywords.
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And it puts keywords on all my one, two,
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and three star rated ones, which is fine
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because then it still lets me sort by one, two, and three star,
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but now I have to make a choice.
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I could continue rating them one, two, and three star
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by using the one, two, three, four, and five star keywords,
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or I could just abandon that
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and just go with the favoriting system.
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And I've decided that I'm just going to go forward
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and use it the favoriting system.
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So what I basically did was took anything
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that is three, four, or five stars
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and put an official photos fave on it.
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And that's what I'm gonna do going forward.
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Now I'll leave the keyword ratings on all the other ones,
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but I'm not gonna try to maintain my one through five,
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which means I won't really have a good way to,
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I guess I could still label the one star ones
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one star if I wanted, but I don't know.
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- You should just delete them.
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- Yeah, I mean, that's what, basically I do.
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Like there aren't really many one stars in there.
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Like one star means like it's out of focus or something
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and they eventually get deleted.
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So there's not really many of them hanging around.
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Like when I go through, I basically delete all the one star
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or I decide to upgrade one of the two.
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I think, well, it's not that bad or whatever.
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So the import went okay.
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Some of my smart albums didn't quite work
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because some of the smart albums,
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like it doesn't have, you know, to do like nested logic,
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like where you can make a smart thing
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and then have another thing references another smart thing.
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It doesn't have like nested Boolean logic.
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It just has one level of logic.
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And some of my smart albums didn't work
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because the logic required a feature
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that only existed in iPhoto.
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So I lost a little bit, but my manual albums worked
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and my simple smart albums were ported over correctly.
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The faces were more or less ported over the keywords.
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So that went okay.
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The upload went okay.
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But here's where the rubber really hits the road
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this app. The problem I had with iPhoto was that it basically came down to at this point
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performance, in all aspects of performance. The app took a year and a day to launch. You'd
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launch it, this is also an all SSD, keep in mind this is a very fast external SSD connected
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with FireWire 800 or an internal SSD, didn't matter. Took forever to launch. You'd sit
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there and see a spinner for a long time, might as well just go away and come back later.
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it launched, pretty much everything you did in the app was slow.
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Scrolling was slow.
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The thing I most commonly do is basically you plug in a camera, import photos.
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After I import photos, I want to go through them and rate them and keyword them or whatever,
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basically just to look at them.
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Go to full screen mode, because I figure that'll be easier on the application.
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Full screen, not to worry about anything else.
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Use the arrow key to advance from one photo to the next.
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Use keyboard shortcuts to rate them and stuff like that.
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workflow right arrow command R to rotate command 2 command 3 command 4 to rate right arrow
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was just so incredibly sluggish like super slow going into full screen mode was slow
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hitting the right arrow to go to the next photo seemed like it took a seven second delay
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sometimes it's like what are you even doing sometimes the photo would come in it was still
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blurry and then it would put in the full res super slow so I'm like everyone says photos
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is great it should be way faster key wording like I do command 1 command 2 command 3 or
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You can only keyword if you weren't in full screen mode and you had the keyword palette
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available then you do single keystrokes of like F for family and like you'd select a
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bunch of photos, you'd click one, shift click on another, hit F for family and like three
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seconds later the UI would catch up with you like oh you shift clicked okay I'll select
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this range oh I'll make a little keyword thing flash on the screen.
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It just felt like molasses.
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So this is what I was hoping photos aside from all the cloud stuff I was hoping that
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it would help the workflow of like the things that I do.
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photos, go through them, rate them, keyword them, or just go through them and browse.
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And I guess scrolling, but I do a little bit less scrolling.
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So I set everything up in Photos, and one of the first things I did was grab the little
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scroll bar and scroll up and down.
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That works alright.
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67,000 photos, you don't expect it to be that fast.
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Keep in mind this is a 2011 MacBook Air with 4GB of RAM, so that probably doesn't help
01:18:39
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Oh my gosh, yeah.
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But it did alright.
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I'm willing to give it a pass for things that I think a lack of RAM explains.
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So I imported some photos into it, and the importing was a little bit weird and confusing
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and the UI is not great, I had to bring the sidebar back to see my camera but it mounted
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as a no-name card thing and whatever.
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It was difficult for me to find some stuff, it's a very sparse UI but it's a 1.0.
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Imported all the photos, go into full screen mode, and then just start trying to do right
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arrow, rate, keyboard, right arrow, rate, keyword.
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Still slow, and I don't understand why it's so slow.
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I'm just, there's one photo on the screen, I'm gonna hit the right arrow key, I want
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you to show me the next photo.
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I don't need you to keep every single one of my photos in memory, I don't think the
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lack of RAM is making that slow, but something is, and I just want it to be snappy.
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I assume that it is snappy if you have 10 photos or 1000 or even 10,000.
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I don't know where the threshold is, where this app just starts to fall down, but whatever
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Whatever it is, I'm past it.
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So is it worse than iPhoto?
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No, it's not worse than iPhoto in terms of performance.
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It's probably a little bit better.
01:19:45
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Launching still takes a long time.
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Doing all those actions that I was describing took a long time.
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Maybe keywording is actually slower in photos than it was.
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Click one photo, shift click onto the next one, label for my kid's name or whatever.
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Maybe that's actually slower in photos, but it's close-ish.
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So I did not get the big performance boost that I was hoping.
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Again, this is a 1.0.
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Maybe it's a RAM limit.
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Maybe I should actually try it on my Mac that has 16 gigs of RAM and see if it does any
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So that aspect of it is kind of a wash.
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But I feel relatively okay with the safety of the things.
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Again because my entire iPhoto library is still there, still being backed up.
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And my photos library is slowly diverging from it.
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I have for now not been deleting the pictures off my camera when I import them.
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So I have like yet another backup.
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Like if I have a catastrophe I still have my old iPhoto library and I can just reimport
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everything from my camera.
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At a certain point my card on my camera will fill up so I'll have to revisit that.
01:20:39
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But I'd say so far so okay for the experience of using it.
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And the cloud sync stuff, that's the other part that people are complaining about.
01:20:49
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So this is my wife's computer.
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Hers is the photo computer.
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That brings up the next big problem, which is like they haven't really solved the photo
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problem because the larger problem is we have photos that belong to our family.
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Like the 67,000 photos, they're not my photos.
01:21:02
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They're not my wife's photos.
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They're not my children's photos.
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They're our photos collectively.
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We have a family set up in the Apple iCloud family thing or whatever.
01:21:11
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But to do this photos thing, we have to pick an Apple ID.
01:21:14
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So it's my wife's Apple ID.
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She's signed into her Apple ID on her phone, obviously, because it's her phone, and this
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is her computer and she's logged into her account.
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So when we import this thing and turn on the iCloud photo library, the 500 gigs of iCloud
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storage, that's her storage, right?
01:21:28
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Which means on her phone, she has access to all 67,000 photos, which is amazing, right?
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Obviously, they're not all on the phone.
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It does all the storage stuff, yada, yada.
01:21:35
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But it's pretty amazing that you can, in theory, scroll back to the early 2000s or the 90s
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and just tap on a photo and eventually it will download and you can see it.
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Great, right?
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I can't see any of those photos in my phone, even though they're just as much my photos
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as her photos, right?
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There's no way to sort of share the entire photo library with the family.
01:21:53
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Now there is a family section where anything you put in that album is shared with anybody
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in your family group, but there's no way to automatically share the entire library.
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You have to manually add things, stuff to the family collection.
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Or of course you can make a shared photo stream and sign up individual people to it
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But there's no way to basically say this is the family's photo library
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I want everyone to see it Apple has not solved that problem yet or tackled it
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They've only made it so that you can share subsets of photos manually with different groups of people, which is great
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It's good that you can do that. We use that all the time to share pictures with relatives, but it's not like I'm going to
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Manually drag every every single photo in my library into the family thing and then manually drag every new thing
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Into there because then I would have because I have my own iPhone library on my Mac which has nothing in it
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and on my phone, so if I take a picture with my phone,
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it shows up in my photo library, not in the family one,
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and it's just not working the way
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we want it to work conceptually.
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I want there to be one big pool of photos
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that belong to the family,
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and maybe separate pools for individuals.
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Eventually the kids will want their own separate pools
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and won't want to mingle with ours,
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but for my wife and I,
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I think all our photos share one big pool.
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So it's kind of a shame that I don't have access
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to all of our family's photos on my phone, and she does,
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but the flip side of that is she has access
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to all of our photos on her phone,
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which means when she brings up the photo picker
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in any iOS application, 10 to 15 second wait
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before the photo picker comes up.
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So it's not just, you know, I tried it in Apple mail,
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I tried it in Twitterrific,
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it is not a per application thing.
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You bring up that photo picker, time it, 10 to 15 seconds.
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And every time, second time, it takes just as long.
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Once it comes up, it's a little slow,
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but you know, again, it's amazing
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that you have access to 67,000 photos,
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but it's, you know, we are at the limits
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of what this thing can handle.
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It's kind of amazing that it does it and it doesn't crash.
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But on the other hand, it's like,
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if you're going to do this, I don't know what you can do.
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Maybe just like only let the photo picker see the last four
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or five years and then have it like,
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I don't know what you have to do
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to make that picker come up sooner.
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Like I understand the problems inherent in this,
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but it is not a great experience.
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And the final thing I want to say
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about the cloud syncing here is that Marco was talking about,
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well, you know, get another Mac,
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have that do your cloud sync and have it keep all your
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photos within and your main smaller Mac,
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have it just optimize storage and not keep all of them there.
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Just as RAID is not a backup, iCloud PhotoSync
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is not a backup, because if you do something bad,
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those changes will rapidly cascade to all your servers
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that are doing this Cloud Sync, and it
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will dutifully delete every single photo you deleted
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from-- so if you accidentally delete a huge amount of photos,
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it will delete them everywhere.
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It will delete them off your phone.
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It will delete them off your Mac Mac Mini.
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It will delete-- probably before you can race into the other room
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and yank the ethernet cable out of the back of that Mac Mini,
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it will have deleted a hell of a lot of those pictures.
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So iCloud Photos Sync is not a backup.
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You need actual backups.
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And not only do you need actual backups,
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you need backups like time machine style backups
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that don't just do disk clones.
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You need disk clones too, and cloud backups.
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But you need something that keeps older versions of things.
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Because it is very easy to have a catastrophic cloud
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thing that goes wrong that causes a runaway--
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that's the type of bug you can have--
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causes a runaway deletion of thousands of photos.
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And that deletion will sync, if Apple does its job well,
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will sync to all your devices everywhere
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before you can do anything about it.
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And if you don't notice, and like 15 minutes later,
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your backup systems run automatically backup everything,
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and your backups aren't like incremental date type backups,
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like if you have the SuperDuper clone,
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the SuperDuper clone will delete,
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well, it will clone your drive as it exists now
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with the deleted photos, and those photos will be gone.
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So in this cloud connected world,
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you have to be very aware of what kind of data loss changes
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will automatically be pushed out
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to all of my quote unquote backups.
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So I'm very leery of that and I'm really trying to keep that in mind when I have a
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backup strategy.
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And I have to admit, part of my backup strategy is I'm never going to delete my iPhoto library.
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Like it will always be there, I'll probably never modify those things.
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At the very least, all those photos will be as safe as they could possibly be sitting
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on HFS+ where we have no idea what the contents of the files actually are.
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And speaking of the hard links, I try desperately not to think about the implementation of hard
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hard links, which I want to know if they can go read my old S10 articles about it.
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Hard links were grafted onto HFS+, and the way it does it is it puts a special file in
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a special hidden directory, and there's only one of those directories.
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And you may not know much about file systems, but sort of gut feeling, if you make a single
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directory and you just keep putting files in there at a certain point, hundreds of files,
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thousands of files, how many files can you put in a single directory?
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nested in subfolders but just flat in a single directory before the file system gets cranky.
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Yes, it uses B trees or B+ trees or whatever.
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Wait, that's what it's doing?
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There's a hidden directory, and in that hidden directory is a single file for every hard
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link on your disk.
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No wonder your Photos app is so much slower than mine.
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I mean, just think about Time Machine.
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I mean, Time Machine is just full of hard links, but, you know, Photos, yeah.
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So I think there's your answer, because I have 27, let me see, yeah, I have 26,000 photos.
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So about half to a third of what you have.
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But my performance is amazing.
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I didn't do an iPhoto import at all because I was using Lightroom before.
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So I literally copied my directories, the photos, I copied them over to the NAS to back
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it up to kind of like save it.
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And then I just copied them all into the new photos app and deleted the originals.
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So it has things arranged the way it wants them arranged.
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- Yeah, no, I mean, this has it arranged,
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it's not, once you make the hard links, it's fine.
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I'm just like, I'm leery of having that many files
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in a single directory.
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I don't think the fact that I have a bunch of hard links
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is causing my performance problems,
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'cause once you make them, like,
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reading one file is the same as reading any other file.
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This is just the sort of linking one set of data
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to another, it's on a per file basis,
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especially since, like, it's not like it's reading the files
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off disk when I'm, like, scrolling through them or whatever.
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It's, you know, thumbnails or whatever crazy database
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it's doing, like, once it's up and running,
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I think the difference we're experiencing
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has to do with two things.
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One, your computer is way faster than mine,
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and two, you have way fewer photos.
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So it would be kind of a fun experiment
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to triple the size of your library
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and see how that performs.
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Like, I really think there is a threshold,
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'cause with iPhoto there definitely was.
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iPhoto was fine for many, many years,
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and once I started pushing up into maybe
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it was around the mid-40s, maybe into the 50s,
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it started to be like, "Uncle, that's it."
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It still did the job, but every operation,
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And like, I'm more picky about this than most people.
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Like I don't wanna wait for the computer.
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- It's real.
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- I've told the story many times of like
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when I had my original Mac and the Mac Plus
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and the Mac SE 30 and stuff,
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that I would use the computer
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and you would do things like double click a folder
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in the finder and it would do this animation
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where it would show like the outline of the new window
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that's going to open expanding into place, right?
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Same thing with dialogue boxes and stuff like that.
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I would have the cursor waiting on the section of the screen
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where I knew that the close box or the OK button
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or the next folder I wanted was eventually going to appear
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when the thing finished redrawing it.
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And I'd know how much of it needed to be drawn
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before I could click and have the click register
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into the window that's about to appear.
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Like, it just felt like I was just waiting forever
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for everything to happen.
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It's like, yeah, yeah, draw your stuff, okay,
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drawing, drawing, drawing, just enough of it is drawn,
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now I can click, move the mouse to the next position, okay.
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Waiting for the dialogue,
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like that is my experience of using the computer
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and it hasn't changed much since I've gotten older,
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If anything, I've gotten more cranky about it.
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And like with iPhone, it's like,
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you're showing a series of pictures.
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You have phenomenal computing power
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compared to the computers I used as a kid.
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I just want to hit the right arrow key
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and I want you to show me the next picture.
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Immediately at full res, as soon as I hit the key,
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I don't think I'm asking for a lot.
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It's full screen mode.
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There's only one picture on the screen at once.
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There is not a giant grid of 60,000 photos.
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It is full screen, one picture, hit the next arrow,
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show me the next picture.
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Can I add a rating?
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Can I add a keyword?
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Do that immediately.
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Give me some visual feedback that it has been done.
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I don't, maybe write it to your metadata database
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in an async thread.
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Like I don't, whatever it is that's making it slow.
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It's making me sad.
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I have some hope that, you know,
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computer hardware will get faster,
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faster than my photo library grows.
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And you know, as the kids get older,
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you take fewer pictures of them and everything,
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but I'm never gonna delete many more of these pictures.
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Like most of the one stars are gone.
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So I'm thinking by the time these kids go to college,
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I'm gonna have a six digit number of photos
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and I really hope Apple software can keep up with it.
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- And by the way, this is a perfect example
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of a very, very common task that people do
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on their computers that will kill a laptop's battery.
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Because this is using tons of resources.
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You're reading tons of little files off the disk.
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- The face recognition thing running in the background,
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that alone will destroy it.
01:30:41
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- Yeah, and not to mention, you know,
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all like the resizing operations of thousands of photos.
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I mean, that's a big computational job.
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And if you're browsing through photos
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and applying some light adjustments here and there,
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even just what you said, just browsing them full size.
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- Well, importing is a lot.
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Like I feel like there's a lot of upfront work,
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especially with the import.
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Like that's why I gave it a chance,
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like let it settle down.
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It did the import, let it do all the faces,
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let it make all its thumbnails.
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Like I feel like you should be able to get the library
01:31:06
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into a steady state where like I'm not adding any photos.
01:31:09
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I have not added any photos to this library for a week.
01:31:11
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the app has been running,
01:31:12
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like it's the only app running on the system,
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is anything in it fast?
01:31:16
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And the answer is no, it's not, it's just not.
01:31:18
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Forget about adding new photos.
01:31:19
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Obviously every time you add new photos,
01:31:20
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it's gotta parse them all, it's gotta make the thumbnails,
01:31:22
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it's gotta read the metadata, put it into its database,
01:31:25
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it's gotta do the face recognition.
01:31:26
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Like I understand that's always gonna be grinding away
01:31:28
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when it's doing that, things are gonna be slow.
01:31:29
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But I feel like in a steady state,
01:31:32
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simple operations should be fast,
01:31:33
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and they're just not with a library my size
01:31:35
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on my particular hardware,
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which is a 2011 MacBook Air with four gigs of RAM.
01:31:39
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- Yeah, I mean that could be a big part of the problem.
01:31:41
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I mean, that's not a great answer to that question,
01:31:44
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but that might be a big part of the problem.
01:31:46
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- I mean, I hope that the SSDs would be a thing like that.
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That's why I bought an external SSD.
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It's, you know, these are fast SSDs.
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The internal one is not great, but like, you know,
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forget about it on a spinning disc,
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I would just, it'd be useless.
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compared to Dropbox and whatever else that we looked at?
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So this is another thing about Apple's photo solution. They, you know, if you want to use
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their cloud backup, and you don't have to by the way, you can just have them on your
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for it or whatever, which is great. I'm glad they gave that option, but part of the reason
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I was doing it is I wanted to do the online sync option and to do that you have to buy
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storage and so you get 5 gigs free with an iCloud with an Apple ID, right?
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You can get 20 gigs for a dollar a month, 200 gigs for $4 a month, 500 gigs for $10
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And those prices are vastly improved over what they used to be but unfortunately the
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rest of the competition is way better.
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So Dropbox is about half the price.
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It'll give you a terabyte for 10 bucks instead of half a terabyte for 10 bucks like Apple
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Dropbox only gives you two gigs for free, but you can refer people to get a little bit
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there or whatever.
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So forget about a month.
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Unlimited photos, $12 a year plus five gigs of videos.
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You can have unlimited everything, unlimited photos and unlimited video for $60 a year.
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I guess it's kind of good when S3 is your thing and you don't have to pay Amazon for
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S3 because you are Amazon.
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- Well, to be fair, they probably aren't operating
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at a massive profit margin.
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- Yeah, that's the Amazon way, but whatever.
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Amazon Cloud Drive, ridiculously less expensive.
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Microsoft OneDrive gives you 15 gigs for free,
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which is three times more than Apple gives you for free.
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100 gigs for $2 a month, 200 gigs for $4 a month,
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which exactly matches Apple.
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One terabyte for $7 a month, so $7 versus 20.
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So their pricing is roundabout, you know,
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in the 200 gig range, it's the same as Apple's,
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but when you go to one terabyte,
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$7 a month versus $20 a month.
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Microsoft is definitely running there.
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And Casey just put in information for Picture Life,
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which is 25 gigs for $5 a month,
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100 gigs for $10 a month, and unlimited for 15.
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So again, another unlimited thing.
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Amazon gives you unlimited, way cheaper than Apple.
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Picture Life gives you unlimited, also cheaper than Apple.
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Now, what are you getting with the Apple thing?
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Like Marco said, integration with all your iOS devices.
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It's the only solution that I'm aware of
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that has complete integration
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with the actual Apple photo library.
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Lots of these things have their own iOS app or whatever.
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And I guess with sharing extensions,
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you can get to the stuff.
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But so many iOS apps bring up a picture picker.
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They let you pick from your photo library,
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which is the Apple photo library.
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So you are paying for that integration,
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but Apple storage pricing is not that great.
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- Well, but I would say,
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based on what it is, where it is integrated,
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how it's integrated, how it's even presented to you,
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I would say you're not gonna be seeing
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a lot of people doing comparison shopping.
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You're not gonna be seeing like--
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- No, that's true.
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I just like that.
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I think it's the ones that really,
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I think are hurt Apple's competitiveness,
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especially after they just changed the prices.
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The ones that hurt are the unlimited ones,
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because that's like a different ball game.
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It's like, we're no longer haggling over the price.
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I know you're not gonna compare,
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but knowing that there are unlimited stuff out there,
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that's like, well, these are a bunch of pricing tiers,
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but I've heard one of them is unlimited
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and unlimited for, you know, $20 a month versus $12 a year.
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One is unlimited, one is not.
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And the unlimited one is the cheaper one.
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God, that's really gotta hurt.
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So I feel like Apple still needs to adjust its prices.
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You're right, people aren't gonna comparison shop for it,
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but they're gonna be cranky when they realize,
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especially if they're upgrading
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and they have like a 201 gig library
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and they realize that they made $10 a month,
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they're like, that's more than I pay for Netflix.
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Wait a second, right?
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You get the integration, it's nice.
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I think people should still definitely do it.
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I think it is the best, easiest point and shoot solution
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for people with photos,
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especially if you don't have a lot of them.
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but I really wish the performance was better
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and I hope that Apple keeps up the pricing
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and feels some pressure to be competitive
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because right now they are not particularly competitive
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on storage pricing.
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- Yeah, but at the same time it's within the realm of reason
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and it depends, again, it depends a lot
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on how big your library is.
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Because of the tiered system, like you're right,
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the 201 gig example, you're gonna pay for 500
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if you need 201.
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I need like 280, so I'm paying for 500.
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And even like the nickel and diming,
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like their tiers are spread,
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like everyone else is just like small
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and then one terabyte or unlimited,
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like, you know, like Picture Life,
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25, 100 unlimited, Microsoft, 1500, 200, one terabyte.
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Like that, you know, that Apple has a smoother gradation,
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but it's like one terabyte is basically
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any reasonable person type thing,
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but plan $20 a month,
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like $15 a month unlimited on Picture Life.
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Like, I don't think it makes that big of a difference.
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The bottom line is I would pay double these prices
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for storage if it had two things,
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the ability to handle my library
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with much better performance
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and the ability to share photos in my family
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in the way that I want,
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because it frustrates me that only my wife has access
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to all of our photos on her phone.
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I don't have them on my phone
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and I will never have them on my phone
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because Apple has no solution for that,
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unless we're gonna make a giant share,
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we're gonna drag every single photo into the family library
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and I imagine they would probably
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not perform particularly well.
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So I'm not even gonna try that.
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- Well, we'll see.
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And it was only, wasn't it only last year that they introduced family plans?
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Was that just last year?
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Yeah, I mean that's why the feature is there.
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Like it's confusing.
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People I see like, "I didn't make an album called Family.
01:39:30
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What the hell is this?"
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Anything you put in that album automatically appears in the photo libraries of people who
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are in your family.
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Like you know, in the family that you set up, you know, in the Yosemite Review you can
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read about the whole family thing.
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Like I love that you can set up a family and I like they've added features that have an
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awareness of it.
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It just doesn't quite work the way that I want it to work with my family.
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I don't think the way I want it should be the default or like the only way to work with it
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but this particular way I think is a common way where like
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The mom and the dad want to see all the photos and every photo they take they both want to go into this library
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Like that's I think that's a reasonable way to handle photos
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Where as it stands now any photo my wife takes with our phone goes into our family photo library any photo that I take with
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My phone is stranded in this weird island over on a Mac Pro and I have to somehow get it over there and I don't have
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access to any of the photos that she takes or any of the photos in her library unless
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she manually drags them into the shared thing that we, the shared family library or a photo
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stream that we share.
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It is almost as though every eye device is an island.
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No Eye Life is an Island was the title, I believe, of that Hypercradle episode, which
01:40:36
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Casey will put into the show notes once his computer dries out.
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So John is saying that, and I apologize if you've heard some clanging and whatnot in
01:40:45
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in the background, but--
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- Should I leave that in?
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- Yeah, you might as well.
01:40:48
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Real time follow up, I've just poured half a glass of water
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on Aaron's MacBook Air.
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- Oh no, it's herds!
01:40:54
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- Yes, because it's the one without the screaming fans.
01:40:57
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So the good news is it wasn't soda,
01:41:00
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so hopefully this'll last long enough to finish the episode
01:41:03
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and then God knows what the hell I'll do.
01:41:05
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- Apple will know it has been tampered with,
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the little watery things inside of it right now
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or changing color or whatever the hell they do.
01:41:11
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- You were just talking about how you were gonna replace
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yours like imminently.
01:41:14
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Oh man, that's terrible.
01:41:16
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- Yeah, yep, yep, it's about time.
01:41:19
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- Not for that one though, right?
01:41:20
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- Well, no, but it's about time that I've done this.
01:41:22
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- Isn't that one like only a year old?
01:41:24
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- Yeah, pretty much, 'cause I bought this
01:41:26
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mostly because she was using my ancient poly book.
01:41:30
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Hi, Steven Hackett.
01:41:32
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And, sorry, I'm multitasking here and drying off my desk.
01:41:36
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She was using my ancient poly book,
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which wasn't really working anymore.
01:41:39
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And so I got her this MacBook Air
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and then started to commandeer it for the shows
01:41:45
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because it doesn't have a screaming fan
01:41:47
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on like every other computer I have.
01:41:50
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So yes, and I accidentally just dumped
01:41:53
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maybe like a third of a, what is a normal beer glass?
01:41:56
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A pint, is that right?
01:41:58
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- Well, it's vague, yeah.
01:41:59
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It's probably, you probably dumped
01:42:00
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about four to five ounces of water on it, I'll say that.
01:42:03
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- So I immediately flipped it upside down.
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So hopefully that was some of the clattering you've heard.
01:42:08
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But yeah, we'll see what happens.
01:42:11
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- Oh, Aaron's gonna kill you.
01:42:12
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- Oh yeah, you have no idea.
01:42:13
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- And that'll be deserved.
01:42:15
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- 'Cause you can spill water into not your computer,
01:42:17
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her computer.
01:42:18
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- Oh yeah, I mean thankfully I am the Tina
01:42:21
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of this relationship, title,
01:42:23
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insofar as I am the keeper of all of the data,
01:42:26
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but yeah, this is no point no.
01:42:28
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- Well you have a backup solution I assume.
01:42:30
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- Yeah, and this thing is also backed up to the Synology,
01:42:33
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I thought, last I looked.
01:42:35
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I'm afraid to touch anything now.
01:42:36
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- Might wanna verify that tonight.
01:42:39
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- 'Cause usually the way this works is,
01:42:41
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it'll work fine for a little while,
01:42:43
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and then it'll start getting flaky and weird,
01:42:44
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and then it'll just stop.
01:42:46
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Like, that'll usually happen over the span of days.
01:42:49
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- Yeah, yeah, this is no good.
01:42:52
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It's no good, kids, no good at all.
01:42:55
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- Oh man, that sucks.
01:42:57
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I feel bad laughing, it's really uncomfortable,
01:42:59
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and unfortunate.
01:43:00
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- Yeah, yep, yep, yep, I'm just mopping up
01:43:02
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all the water from my desk.
01:43:03
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Luckily, it was with such force that hopefully
01:43:06
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only but an ounce or so actually landed on the keyboard,
01:43:09
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but I should take a picture of the pile of paper towels
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that I have now put on the floor.
01:43:15
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- So where is your drink in relation to your computer
01:43:18
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that this was even possible?
01:43:20
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- Jon, I refuse to answer that question.
01:43:21
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(Jon laughing)
01:43:22
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- 'Cause like this is the key to,
01:43:23
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if you do not want to spill liquid on your computer,
01:43:26
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here's the key to doing it.
01:43:28
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Do not have a glass of liquid anywhere
01:43:30
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that if it tips over, the water can get to your computer.
01:43:32
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- Oh, is that the idea, Jon?
01:43:33
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Where were you 20 minutes ago?
01:43:36
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- I have a glass next to me right now.
01:43:38
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I reach out and take drinks from it all the time
01:43:40
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during the podcast.
01:43:41
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It is on a lower level than my desk,
01:43:43
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and if it spilled, there is no way that the water
01:43:46
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could get either to the top of my desk
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or way over to my Mac Pro, which is on the floor,
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far away from it.
01:43:51
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There is not enough water for that to happen.
01:43:53
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- An alternate solution is to either use a desktop
01:43:56
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or when using a laptop, have it up on a stand or something.
01:43:58
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So that way, if water covers your whole desk,
01:44:02
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it might kill a mouse or a keyboard, maybe.
01:44:04
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- You could still splash onto the keyboard.
01:44:06
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If the height of your cup is higher than the thing
01:44:08
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on the stand, it's close.
01:44:10
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- So if I had an extra hand,
01:44:13
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I would take a picture of myself talking into the microphone
01:44:15
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whilst holding the laptop upside down.
01:44:18
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So hopefully any water.
01:44:19
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- And flipping us off?
01:44:20
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- No, no, I'm flipping myself off
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if such a thing were possible.
01:44:24
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- If it was possible,
01:44:25
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you'd be the person to figure out how to do it.
01:44:27
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- That's true.
01:44:28
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God, this has not been my evening kids.
01:44:31
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- This is terrible.
01:44:32
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- So what do you think about the iCloud photo pricing?
01:44:35
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I don't know, what are we talking about?
01:44:37
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Is this the show?
01:44:38
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Is this what people tuned in for?
01:44:39
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- Oh, I'm so sorry.
01:44:41
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- It's all right, did it to myself, kids.
01:44:43
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Did it to myself.
01:44:44
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- Let's wrap up.
01:44:45
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- Yeah, I think we should fast forward to the after show
01:44:48
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as quickly as possible, so whenever we end,
01:44:50
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there's a prayer that you can get my side of the recording.
01:44:52
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- Oh my God, well, thanks a lot
01:44:54
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to our three sponsors this week,
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Cards Against Humanity, Squarespace, and Jack Threads,
01:44:58
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and we will see you next week.
01:45:00
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01:45:02
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♪ Now the show is over ♪
01:45:04
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They didn't even mean to begin 'Cause it was accidental
01:45:09
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Oh, it was accidental John didn't do any research
01:45:15
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Marco and Casey wouldn't let him 'Cause it was accidental
01:45:19
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Oh, it was accidental And you can find the show notes at ATP.FM
01:45:26
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them
01:45:33
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01:45:37
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So that's Casey Liss M-A-R-C-O A-R-M
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♪ They didn't mean to accidentally ♪
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♪ Tech podcast so long ♪
01:46:01
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- Oh God. - Oh man.
01:46:04
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No, you're probably okay for the next few minutes at least.
01:46:06
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But yeah, I would start making,
01:46:10
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start convincing yourself
01:46:13
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that you're gonna have to possibly be okay
01:46:15
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with replacing this computer in the next month or two.
01:46:18
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Possibly in the next week,
01:46:20
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but most likely the next month or two.
01:46:22
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- Well, they didn't have, how much water
01:46:24
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are we talking about here?
01:46:25
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- I don't know, it was, again,
01:46:27
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it was a pint glass that I had.
01:46:29
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I think it was about 2/3 empty or 1/3,
01:46:32
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that's a statement about my point of view, isn't it?
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It was 2/3 empty.
01:46:36
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It was 1/3 full is what I meant to say.
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And I whacked it and so it kind of,
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the glass was immediately to the right of the computer,
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I'm sorry, John.
01:46:49
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and the glass kind of flew on top of the computer,
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which is good in this case.
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And so I would guess between one and two ounces
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probably spilled out.
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- Directly onto the keyboard part?
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- Well yeah, I'm with Marco on this.
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- Oh, I'm screwed.
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- See, the worst part about this
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is that you might be out some money.
01:47:10
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But the second worst part about this
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is that you're gonna get email from everybody
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over the next few days saying,
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"If only you would have done my trick.
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here's my trick that works every time or that worked for me once or that I heard
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work for somebody's uncle once you're gonna be getting everybody's weird tips
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and tricks of yeah well I just put the whole computer in rice oh you didn't
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do that immediately well you're screwed but if you were to that immediately it
01:47:31
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would have fixed it like oh you're gonna hear everything from everybody yep I can
01:47:36
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hardly wait sorry you should I should ask Mike how to fix it oh that's cold
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But actually he didn't fix it, did he?
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So maybe you shouldn't ask Mike.
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Ask somebody else how to fix it.
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Thank you underscore Chris for that extremely useful piece of information.
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Hey, this is all caps, mind you.
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Hey, Casey, here's my tip.
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Don't spill your effing drink on your computer.
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Oh! I didn't realize that was the idea.
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Oh, well thank you so very much.
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I will take that into consideration and under consideration in the future.
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Ah, this week is gonna suck.
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Well, I mean, it shouldn't be that hard to dry it out.
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I mean Virginia has a pretty dry climate right? Oh totally not a lot of humidity there. No, not a bit. Oh
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Feel so bad for you right now. That's an innovation
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They could bring to the MacBook one 1.5 or whatever like as the you know
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We see the with the inside of these computers look like right mostly just battery and an ever shrinking part. That is the computer
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Probably this will come to the watch first
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But that part that is the computer as it gets smaller and smaller
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It starts to become feasible to sort of especially if they're fanless starts to become feasible to encase that in something, right?
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Yeah, you know have the heat transferred out to the rest of the case and all this stuff you do but like you can imagine
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making the insides of
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MacBook one size laptop
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pretty water resistant like and the little s1 thing looks like it already might be and
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Maybe like I said, that's where it'll come first as they but you know as they get smaller and smaller and smaller
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it starts to become feasible, I think,
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to weatherproof those guts,
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just because there's so few of them
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and they're less sensitive,
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like especially in the fanless models,
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if you just have metal, kind of like a sealed metal thing
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where there's good contact and thermal transfer,
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why can't it be a little bit more resilient to water
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than laptops currently are?
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- I mean, if you look at the iPhone line, though,
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like if any amount of good reason
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why you should make something water resistant
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applies way more to an iPhone than to a MacBook
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for the most part.
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- Yeah, the way they do it with the phones,
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at least from the Samsung ones,
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is they don't try to seal the insides
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so much as they try to seal the outside, like the case.
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Make the case waterproof
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and then don't worry about it on the inside.
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But like the S1 approach,
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and at least in these little diagrams that we've seen,
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is like the S1 has always shown us like this little module
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that itself is encased in something.
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I think in the laptops you have more options
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because in the phones, your only option, I think, really,
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is to try to seal the outer case, and that's tough because that takes abuse, rather than
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saying yeah water will get inside the case, but once it gets in there there's nothing
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it can do damage wise because the entire guts are sealed up and the only weak point is like
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where the battery connects and we'll try to make that a waterproof connector, but that
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I think would add thickness to the phone, but in a laptop you get a little bit of leeway,
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like we're not there yet, maybe three or four more gens, like the next time that Apple puts
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up a slide that says look at how dramatically smaller we've made the motherboard, that time
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then it's like alright now we're getting to the point where you could actually seal that
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sucker up inside there and make a more, this is kind of a shame, this is a really expensive
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thing, you happen to spill a little bit of water on it and what you said Marco is totally
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true that people are like "oh I did it in rice, it seemed like it was fine, then it
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started to get flaky" and it's just like the worst kind of slow motion death. You wish,
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almost wish it was just dead and wouldn't turn on anymore.
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Yeah, yeah, because it's like when a hard drive has like one bad sector, it's like you
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know it's only going to go downhill from there but it might be a slow, awkward, painful thing
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and yeah, that's how this is.
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You know, maybe it'll start kernel panicking
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more frequently over the next month, and you don't know.
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There's no way to really know.
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And then now, any weird thing that ever happens
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on this computer again, you're gonna ask yourself,
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"Oh, is it because I spilled water on it once?"
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Like, you're never gonna trust it.
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- It'll be slowly corrupting the data on your disk
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and you won't know because HFS+ has no checksums.
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- Oh my god.
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- You'll load a photo from five years ago
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and half of it will be missing and it will be blue and sparkly colored and
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The OS and the file system think everything is fine. It just read the bytes right off disk. This is what was there
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Isn't this what you originally wrote? We have no way to know. Oh
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God, oh my god. What happens if this WWDC you can't go which I do not want to happen
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I really hope you can make it some way somehow
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But let's suppose you can't go and they release a new file system and let's go out on a really big limb
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Or maybe small limb actually and say it's a file system you approve of I know you'll have plenty of other things to complain about
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But what else will you complain about like what's the next lowest hanging fruit?
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Realistically speaking when they replace a bit of HMS+ and it will happen eventually
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I have very dim hopes that they will replace it with something that has data integrity
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I think they're much more likely to go for the other features like
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Performance and you know, you know copy on write and constant time snapshots
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Like there are many modern features that that are have more selling points and fewer downsides than
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Data integrity data integrity. I just think is the most important one
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So I think if and when they do come out with a new file system
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I fully expect
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to be disappointed in the new file system
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Even though it has a whole bunch of the modern cool features that I like
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Because it doesn't have the one feature that I think is essential which is let me know that the data I wrote is the same
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data that's still there five years from now.
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Mostly because that one feature is the biggest performance hit.
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That is the one that costs the most in performance.
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I really hope I'm wrong about this, but if I had to choose which would you rather have,
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all the whizzy cool features and better performance and snapshots and stuff like that, or data
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integrity, I would pick data integrity.
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If you look at the reality of the world we live in today, the devices that we use, how
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things are stored, where things are stored, the cloud's role in all of this.
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You could almost see like if some project manager at Apple is trying to weigh the pros
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and cons here, you could almost see the argument of data integrity isn't worth the cost because
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the vast majority of our customers are using things like iOS devices where they're not
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going to have one instance of a file system. They're not going to have like one phone using
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it's a file system for five years.
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They're gonna have, these things are all shorter lifespans.
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And they're gonna be backed up to iCloud,
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which will be managing the truth.
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- Does iCloud use a file system that uses,
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has data integrity checksums?
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- I don't think we know.
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- I don't think it does.
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- Do the Linux EXT whatevers, do they have it?
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- I don't think so.
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Maybe BTRFS has it as an option.
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Some of them have as an option, not turned on.
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But for the same reason,
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data centers won't wanna turn on for the same reason,
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because it costs CPU time, and they're all about CPU time
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is heat is money is air conditioning is power.
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You know what I mean?
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I just think we haven't hit that inflection point where
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it's like, in my mind we have, it's stupid not to do it,
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at least in situations where you really care about the data.
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But there are still countervailing forces
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that say, well, we don't really need to do it,
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and really data-- the error rates are low,
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and blah, blah, blah.
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The volumes of data are just so massive.
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It's like hard drive failure where it's like,
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it's not a big deal in an individual's life,
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but if your back plays, 15 hard drives fail a day, right?
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20 hard drives fail a day, right?
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And so like terabytes upon terabytes of data,
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as the storage capacity goes up,
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chances are almost 100%
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that you have a bit that slips somewhere.
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Is it an important bit?
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Does it matter?
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Will it ever cause a problem?
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Probably not, but like, especially with the cloud stuff,
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one bum device, one phone that is a little bit flaky
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that, you know, who knows what was wrong with it?
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hit by a cosmic ray, and then that couple bit error
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that causes the bottom half of your writing photo
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to be unreadable gets transferred all over the cloud
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and dutifully replicated all over the place,
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and you don't notice until you see it next year
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and the original one is gone.
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And so that's why data integrity is important.
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Someone's gotta do it somewhere.
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I don't know if it's time for it to be done on my watch,
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on my phone, I think it's time for it to be done on my Mac.
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I really think it's time to be done in data centers
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even though it costs more money, but that's,
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in our lifetime, I think that's a thing
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that will look back on it as being barbaric.
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Also ECC RAM, while I'm complaining about things.
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Throw that in there, Apple.
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- You mean the lack of that is barbaric?
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- Yes. - Yeah.
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I mean, and that's, I think that's more on Intel than Apple.
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'Cause it's, like, the chipset has to support it,
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and I think only the Xeon chipsets of Intel stuff ever do.
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- It's a little bit more circuitry,
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it's a little bit more expensive, but not doing it.
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Like, ECC RAM is made more important by HFS Plus,
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not, you know, like, if you have some sort of accent,
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a little bit flipping in RAM,
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hopefully if you're dealing with file system data,
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you will notice that by like,
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oh, now the file has changed on disk when it shouldn't have,
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or the bytes I read into RAM
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are not the same as the bytes on disk
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'cause the checksum is different.
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Like you just, you need to have that,
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a way to check whether your answer is right somewhere.
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So much for my bike thing, we'll save it for next week.
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- When that pause happened,
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I looked up with like a panic in my eyes
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'cause I was like, "Oh God, already?"
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