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00:00:00 ◼   ► - Oh, sorry, you can go back to listening

00:00:02 ◼   ► to the Dave Matthews that you were listening to

00:00:03 ◼   ► that was so amazing, right?

00:00:04 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:00:06 ◼   ► Okay, so before you and I start a fist fight verbally.

00:00:09 ◼   ► - About jam bands and non-jam bands.

00:00:11 ◼   ► - No, just jam bands.

00:00:13 ◼   ► Okay, so we, Jesus.

00:00:15 ◼   ► I tried so hard not to let myself fall into that trap

00:00:19 ◼   ► and I couldn't help it.

00:00:20 ◼   ► - Oh, that was great.

00:00:21 ◼   ► (electronic music)

00:00:22 ◼   ► - Okay, so we should start the show

00:00:24 ◼   ► by mentioning some legal news.

00:00:27 ◼   ► And the interesting thing is I'm not kidding.

00:00:29 ◼   ► So Marco, would you like to tell us about

00:00:31 ◼   ► the Electronic Frontier Foundation?

00:00:33 ◼   ► - There was this podcast patent

00:00:37 ◼   ► that everyone was talking about in the last couple years.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Adam Carolla raised a bunch of money

00:00:41 ◼   ► and actually challenged it

00:00:43 ◼   ► 'cause he was hit by a patent troll.

00:00:45 ◼   ► So the patent in question was from

00:00:47 ◼   ► a company called Personal Audio.

00:00:49 ◼   ► They were patent trolling the podcast world

00:00:51 ◼   ► for quite some time,

00:00:52 ◼   ► going after most of the really big guys.

00:00:54 ◼   ► The EFF raised a bunch of money and stepped in

00:00:57 ◼   ► and filed an official challenge to it

00:00:59 ◼   ► and cited real prior art

00:01:01 ◼   ► and actually got the patent invalidated.

00:01:03 ◼   ► So this decision came through about a week ago,

00:01:07 ◼   ► a couple days, something like that,

00:01:09 ◼   ► and yeah, the EFF has succeeded in invalidating this patent

00:01:12 ◼   ► that was really threatening all podcasts

00:01:14 ◼   ► and podcasters and podcast apps

00:01:17 ◼   ► and everything that deals with podcasts.

00:01:20 ◼   ► So I wanna do it at least, and I think we as a whole,

00:01:22 ◼   ► I think it's good to speak for all of us

00:01:23 ◼   ► to just thank the EFF for doing this

00:01:27 ◼   ► And I would highly suggest to our listeners,

00:01:30 ◼   ► the EFF does a lot of great,

00:01:31 ◼   ► this is the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the EFF.

00:01:34 ◼   ► They do a lot of really great stuff for technology.

00:01:38 ◼   ► They're a non-profit, right?

00:01:39 ◼   ► - I believe that's right.

00:01:40 ◼   ► - And they really fight the good fight

00:01:43 ◼   ► on so many issues for tech.

00:01:45 ◼   ► So I fully support the EFF and I urge you to

00:01:49 ◼   ► by going there and making a donation right now.

00:01:51 ◼   ► So pause us, go make a donation to EFF.

00:01:53 ◼   ► We will put the link in the show notes right at the top

00:01:55 ◼   ► you can see it and they're really great.

00:01:57 ◼   ► Can I be the downer and say that the idea that the entire patent has been invalidated

00:02:02 ◼   ► is almost certainly not entirely true.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Like it's probably like, "Well, the major claims involved in the patent have been, but

00:02:11 ◼   ► then they can appeal and blah blah blah blah blah, legally, so on and so forth."

00:02:14 ◼   ► So like the fight continues and this is but one aspect of, you know, there are a million

00:02:21 ◼   ► stupid patents.

00:02:22 ◼   ► that the EFF uses to fight these is like Mark Cuban's battle against stupid patents fund or something.

00:02:27 ◼   ► It actually has the word "stupid" in it.

00:02:29 ◼   ► So they are fighting the good fight, and this is not the end of the fight,

00:02:32 ◼   ► not even the end of the fight related to dumb podcasting patents,

00:02:35 ◼   ► because I'm sure there's a treasure trove of equally stupid patents,

00:02:38 ◼   ► or even this one may come back to life like a zombie, so...

00:02:41 ◼   ► Yeah, but this was a big one, and this was one that was being actively sued with,

00:02:45 ◼   ► and so this is pretty big news, and they did...

00:02:48 ◼   ► They not only filed to get key claims and value,

00:02:50 ◼   ► they succeeded in getting key claims validated.

00:02:53 ◼   ► So that is pretty big news.

00:02:56 ◼   ► - Yep, this is excellent.

00:02:57 ◼   ► So thanks to the EFF and like Marco said, please donate.

00:03:01 ◼   ► Now with that, taking care of, let's talk some follow-ups.

00:03:05 ◼   ► So John, do you wanna tell us about the gap

00:03:08 ◼   ► that may or may not exist on the Apple Watch?

00:03:10 ◼   ► - This was a topic on last week's show,

00:03:12 ◼   ► talking about the Watch and I think it was Marco

00:03:14 ◼   ► had heard from somebody that had seen a Watch

00:03:17 ◼   ► and you could see the gap and he saw it in some of the videos

00:03:19 ◼   ► And we discussed it as like a possible thing that they could improve on the future watches to possibly make it thinner and make it

00:03:24 ◼   ► Look more like it does in the carefully controlled beauty shots on Apple's websites where it just looks like a black

00:03:30 ◼   ► Smooth surface that has the lights on it and you don't see where the actual panel is inside there and a lot of people

00:03:37 ◼   ► Broughton to tell us that there is no air gap in there because if you watch Johnny I video he says that the screen is

00:03:43 ◼   ► laminated to the crystal this was

00:03:45 ◼   ► Jeremy Herberlein who sent this to us via Twitter and a couple other people said that if you watch the video

00:03:52 ◼   ► He says some models or something have the screen laminated and I think who is this Marco in the note saying that uh

00:03:59 ◼   ► maybe the air gap is only visible on the sport and maybe it's laminated on the edition and on the

00:04:06 ◼   ► Watch version of it

00:04:07 ◼   ► Yeah

00:04:08 ◼   ► Because the claim is that most watch models have have a display that is laminated directly to the sapphire crystal

00:04:15 ◼   ► So that leaves room for the sport not to have it and also because the sport doesn't have sapphire

00:04:19 ◼   ► Right that I think that's probably pretty clear and it could also be that the sport is still limited

00:04:25 ◼   ► Just not too sapphire, but that's an awful. That's an awfully like twisted sentence for Johnny. I have to have said

00:04:31 ◼   ► unnecessarily, you know

00:04:34 ◼   ► Like I'm guessing that there actually is some kind of small gap or some kind of different process for making the the screen

00:04:40 ◼   ► with the Ion X glass for the sport versus making the laminated sapphire one and and I tried I

00:04:47 ◼   ► went to the Apple store a couple times and since the

00:04:49 ◼   ► since the watch became visible there and

00:04:52 ◼   ► I tried seeing any difference between the two and I couldn't get a long enough look at at them to really say for sure

00:04:59 ◼   ► But I was like you are able to see at certain angles the outline that the rectangle of what the screen is

00:05:07 ◼   ► versus what the whole front face is.

00:05:09 ◼   ► And it does kind of ruin the illusion

00:05:10 ◼   ► because the entire UI is designed

00:05:13 ◼   ► for everything to go edge to edge,

00:05:16 ◼   ► to not have any margin.

00:05:17 ◼   ► Like if you look at the iPhone UI,

00:05:19 ◼   ► there's always some margin around the edges

00:05:22 ◼   ► inside the screen area.

00:05:23 ◼   ► The watch, everything's designed with a black background

00:05:25 ◼   ► and they even say like, "Go edge to edge,

00:05:28 ◼   ► "please go edge to edge with all your stuff

00:05:30 ◼   ► "because it's not a big enough screen

00:05:31 ◼   ► "that you can afford margin."

00:05:33 ◼   ► And the bezel around it, or the bezel around it,

00:05:36 ◼   ► is wide enough that that is like a good aesthetic margin.

00:05:41 ◼   ► But that illusion is a little bit weakened

00:05:44 ◼   ► if you're able to see in real life

00:05:46 ◼   ► like where the edges of the screen actually are

00:05:48 ◼   ► inside that bezel.

00:05:50 ◼   ► So it is ideal if you can't see.

00:05:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, there's two issues here with the air gap

00:05:56 ◼   ► is like maybe the image doesn't look like

00:05:58 ◼   ► it's on the surface, it looks like it's sunken down.

00:06:01 ◼   ► And then independent of the air gap,

00:06:02 ◼   ► regardless of whether it's laminated or not,

00:06:04 ◼   ► you have can I see the panel edges?

00:06:06 ◼   ► And the panel edges just, I'm assuming, have to do with differences in the reflectiveness

00:06:10 ◼   ► of the material that the panel is made out of and the area that doesn't have a paddle

00:06:14 ◼   ► underneath it.

00:06:15 ◼   ► So those are both things they can improve independently.

00:06:18 ◼   ► If every single screen is laminated, maybe they could, you know, depending on the thickness

00:06:22 ◼   ► of the material, more of getting the image to look like it's on the surface of the glass

00:06:26 ◼   ► rather than deep down into the glass.

00:06:28 ◼   ► And then the outline, I'm not sure what they can do about that.

00:06:31 ◼   ► I guess get a panel that is darker when light shines on it or try to put some material behind

00:06:37 ◼   ► all the glass so it looks the same so you can't see the edges.

00:06:39 ◼   ► But yeah, the aesthetics, and if you look at all the pictures that Apple takes, they're

00:06:44 ◼   ► going for the idea that this is just a magical curve black top thing and parts of it light

00:06:49 ◼   ► up and you don't need to know where the edges are and you shouldn't know that, for example,

00:06:53 ◼   ► the you know, the eight in the time is actually jammed up against the left edge of the screen

00:06:58 ◼   ► and the top edge of the screen because you would never know that because where's the

00:07:00 ◼   ► edge of the screen, right? And so that's, that is a clever and economical use of screen

00:07:05 ◼   ► real estate, but you really don't want to see the fact that there are no margins, because

00:07:09 ◼   ► if you can see the lighter gray rectangle, it makes that eight shoved up into the corner

00:07:12 ◼   ► not look so hot.

00:07:14 ◼   ► Now speaking of the watch, we should cover what we did or did not pre-order on Friday.

00:07:21 ◼   ► So let's start with you, Marco. Did you wake up at three o'clock in the morning, and if

00:07:27 ◼   ► So, or I guess whether or not you did,

00:07:29 ◼   ► did you order one or more watches?

00:07:32 ◼   ► - I woke up at 2.58 in the morning

00:07:33 ◼   ► and I kept hitting refresh in the app,

00:07:37 ◼   ► which really just means force quitting the app

00:07:39 ◼   ► and relaunching it.

00:07:40 ◼   ► This is the Apple Store app and iOS,

00:07:42 ◼   ► which is, in the last few launches,

00:07:44 ◼   ► it has really been like the way to do it

00:07:46 ◼   ► because whatever API the app is pulling for information

00:07:50 ◼   ► seems to be much more reliable, or at least much simpler

00:07:53 ◼   ► than the Apple Web Store.

00:07:56 ◼   ► And so the app very rarely has any kind of reliability issues

00:08:00 ◼   ► during these big floods of preorders

00:08:02 ◼   ► while the website regularly does.

00:08:05 ◼   ► So the app is really, and the app you can use Touch ID

00:08:08 ◼   ► to pay, which is awesome.

00:08:09 ◼   ► If you have Apple Pay set up,

00:08:10 ◼   ► you can just pick what you want

00:08:12 ◼   ► and you can even mark it as a favorite ahead of time.

00:08:14 ◼   ► You just open up the app, go to your favorites,

00:08:16 ◼   ► hit the thing, hit Add to Cart, hit Checkout,

00:08:19 ◼   ► and you just thumbprint and it's done.

00:08:21 ◼   ► And it's like the fastest preorder process

00:08:23 ◼   ► you can possibly have.

00:08:25 ◼   ► So I definitely recommend that approach for pre-ordering.

00:08:27 ◼   ► So anyway, I did that and I immediately,

00:08:30 ◼   ► the store didn't come up for me until about 3.02,

00:08:34 ◼   ► a couple minutes after three,

00:08:35 ◼   ► and immediately as soon as I looked,

00:08:39 ◼   ► the one I had picked out,

00:08:40 ◼   ► which was the black leather loop 42 with the steel watch,

00:08:44 ◼   ► was already four to six weeks late.

00:08:46 ◼   ► I really wanted something to come immediately

00:08:48 ◼   ► for development reasons, I kind of have to,

00:08:50 ◼   ► so rather than get a second watch, which would be stupid,

00:08:55 ◼   ► I elected to change my order to the only one

00:08:58 ◼   ► of the steel ones that was still showing delivers

00:09:02 ◼   ► in April 24th to May whatever,

00:09:04 ◼   ► like the first delivery slot.

00:09:05 ◼   ► The only one that had the first delivery slot

00:09:07 ◼   ► was the 42 milanase loop.

00:09:09 ◼   ► So I went with that.

00:09:10 ◼   ► After trying them on in store later that day,

00:09:13 ◼   ► I changed my opinion slightly of some of these things.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Glad I didn't get the leather loop

00:09:17 ◼   ► because I really don't like the leather loop.

00:09:19 ◼   ► I wrote a blog post about all this stuff.

00:09:20 ◼   ► In fact, both of us did Casey.

00:09:22 ◼   ► So I won't go too far into it.

00:09:24 ◼   ► Suffice to say, the leather loop is not as soft

00:09:28 ◼   ► or as comfortable or as convenient to use as I wanted.

00:09:31 ◼   ► So I then ordered separately for quote, May delivery,

00:09:36 ◼   ► the two bands that I was most impressed by,

00:09:40 ◼   ► which were the Link Bracelet and the Classic Buckle.

00:09:45 ◼   ► And then I will keep one or both of those

00:09:47 ◼   ► when they arrive, we'll see.

00:09:49 ◼   ► - So you ordered a Link Bracelet separately

00:09:51 ◼   ► to the tune of like 500 bucks or whatever it was?

00:09:54 ◼   ► - I did, yeah.

00:09:55 ◼   ► What I loved about the Link Bracelet

00:09:56 ◼   ► that none of the other ones had,

00:09:57 ◼   ► except for the modern buckle,

00:09:58 ◼   ► is remember I was talking about

00:10:00 ◼   ► what I really wanted most was quick release

00:10:03 ◼   ► and quick attachment with the size being preset all the time

00:10:07 ◼   ► 'cause I don't wanna have to mess with the band.

00:10:11 ◼   ► And when I was trying on the Milanese Loop in the store,

00:10:15 ◼   ► I was constantly fiddling.

00:10:17 ◼   ► I would put it on and, oh, this is a little bit too loose,

00:10:19 ◼   ► tighten it a little bit too tight.

00:10:21 ◼   ► I have to constantly be adjusting that band

00:10:23 ◼   ► 'cause I know myself, I know I'm like picky

00:10:26 ◼   ► and a little bit obsessive about things like that

00:10:28 ◼   ► and so I know that not having it be exactly

00:10:32 ◼   ► my correct setting every single time would drive me crazy.

00:10:35 ◼   ► - On that topic, we got some feedback about this,

00:10:38 ◼   ► I think it was email, but my first question about all this

00:10:40 ◼   ► is like how often do you think you're taking this thing

00:10:43 ◼   ► on and off, I mean maybe I guess like yeah,

00:10:44 ◼   ► they gotta wash dishes, you gotta take it off,

00:10:46 ◼   ► wash dishes, put it back on, take it,

00:10:47 ◼   ► is it like a speed contest, is it like you have to get it

00:10:50 ◼   ► on and off within three seconds or something bad happens?

00:10:53 ◼   ► like you put it on in the morning and you take it off at night, that's two times a day.

00:10:56 ◼   ► Not that I'm... you can have whatever criteria you want for your purchase, but that seems

00:11:01 ◼   ► weird to me.

00:11:02 ◼   ► But the second thing is that a couple of listeners brought up is the exact sizing thing, your

00:11:08 ◼   ► wrist changes size based on how hot you are, how much humidity there is, how long the day

00:11:14 ◼   ► has gone on, right?

00:11:16 ◼   ► And if you're that sensitive to a particular fit, you may have to end up adjusting it anyway,

00:11:19 ◼   ► And it's actually easier to readjust something like the Milenaise loop as you bloat during

00:11:25 ◼   ► the day, right?

00:11:26 ◼   ► Or go out into the cold or whatever than it would be to try to adjust the link bracelet,

00:11:30 ◼   ► which is not like adjustable with bare hands.

00:11:33 ◼   ► So it depends on how sensitive you are to the specific adjustments.

00:11:37 ◼   ► But I always say like the plain old whatever, just the classic buckle that has like a bunch

00:11:41 ◼   ► of holes.

00:11:42 ◼   ► Yep.

00:11:43 ◼   ► You're going to pick one hole that's going to be the hole that you use.

00:11:45 ◼   ► And because there is no possibility of fine adjustments, at least I think I would sort

00:11:49 ◼   ► of mentally accept the fact that I won't be fine adjusting this. I'm just gonna have

00:11:53 ◼   ► to pick whichever hole works best and there's probably gonna be one that I'm

00:11:55 ◼   ► gonna have to deal with both when it's cold and when it's hot and when you know

00:11:58 ◼   ► when my arms are puffy and when they're not and it's gonna be well that's that's

00:12:02 ◼   ► the whole the thing goes in. I guess you do the same thing with a link bracelet

00:12:05 ◼   ► of just like well this is the size I adjusted link bracelet to and I'm not

00:12:08 ◼   ► readjusting it because it's a pain you need tiny screwdrivers or whatever the

00:12:11 ◼   ► hell you need. No it's buttons but yeah so so so to go back the person who

00:12:16 ◼   ► challenged us was Dr. Drang on Twitter, our friend Dr. Drang, and he said why am I taking

00:12:22 ◼   ► off a watch so much besides just once putting it on the morning and taking it off at night.

00:12:27 ◼   ► The answer to that is I don't know how often I'm putting this thing on and off. Because

00:12:31 ◼   ► I work at home and I'm helping out with our kid and everything, I am very often washing

00:12:37 ◼   ► hands, washing things, getting wet, helping with the bath, all this stuff. I'm constantly

00:12:43 ◼   ► getting my hands wet and washing things.

00:12:44 ◼   ► And so I think there's a very good chance

00:12:48 ◼   ► I'll be taking it off more than once a day.

00:12:51 ◼   ► But it's more that I haven't worn a watch

00:12:54 ◼   ► since forever ago, for 20 years, I haven't worn a watch.

00:12:57 ◼   ► So any annoyance of wearing a watch

00:13:02 ◼   ► is gonna be amplified in my mind

00:13:05 ◼   ► because I'm not used to it.

00:13:06 ◼   ► So just the process of putting it on in the morning,

00:13:09 ◼   ► taking it off at night and putting it in the charger,

00:13:11 ◼   ► all of those things are going to slightly annoy me

00:13:14 ◼   ► for a while.

00:13:14 ◼   ► So my goal here was to maximize comfort

00:13:17 ◼   ► and minimize annoyance.

00:13:19 ◼   ► So that's why my reservation with the link bracelet

00:13:21 ◼   ► is that it is pretty heavy.

00:13:23 ◼   ► And at the very end of when I was trying it on,

00:13:26 ◼   ► I did get a pinched arm hair

00:13:28 ◼   ► and everybody says that always happens to them.

00:13:30 ◼   ► So my guess is the link bracelet

00:13:33 ◼   ► is probably gonna be back ordered and arrive later.

00:13:35 ◼   ► And my guess is that the classic buckle will arrive first

00:13:38 ◼   ► and I will like it so much

00:13:39 ◼   ► I will probably just cancel the order for the link bracelet.

00:13:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I've worn a watch most of my life

00:13:46 ◼   ► and we probably covered this last episode,

00:13:48 ◼   ► but suffice it to say, I went a few years

00:13:50 ◼   ► when I first got my iPhone where I stopped wearing it.

00:13:53 ◼   ► And then, I don't know, not long ago,

00:13:55 ◼   ► I started wearing a cheap watch again.

00:13:57 ◼   ► And the only time I take my watch off during the day

00:14:02 ◼   ► is if it's bath time with Declan.

00:14:05 ◼   ► If I'm washing dishes, it stays on.

00:14:06 ◼   ► If I'm washing my hands, it stays on.

00:14:09 ◼   ► If I'm doing almost anything except bath time or, you know, if I happen to go swimming one

00:14:16 ◼   ► day for some reason, that watch stays on.

00:14:18 ◼   ► So I don't want to speak for you.

00:14:21 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know if maybe you're the kind of guy that like takes everything out of his

00:14:25 ◼   ► pockets the moment he arrives anywhere.

00:14:26 ◼   ► I don't remember you being that way, but you could be.

00:14:29 ◼   ► And maybe takes his watch off the minute you're standing still for more than a second.

00:14:33 ◼   ► But for me, I never take my watch off except when I go to bed.

00:14:36 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:14:37 ◼   ► All right.

00:14:38 ◼   ► So John, what did you order or did you not?

00:14:41 ◼   ► Before we get to that, I have one more thing related to all the people telling stories

00:14:45 ◼   ► about ordering at 3 a.m., which a lot of people that I know or follow on Twitter did.

00:14:51 ◼   ► Having heard them on podcasts and read their tweets and seen their timelines, I'm very

00:14:56 ◼   ► surprised by how many of them said, like Marco did, "I set my alarm for 2.57, for 2.58, and

00:15:03 ◼   ► then woke up and ordered the watch."

00:15:06 ◼   ► I'm surprised by that because if I was gonna wake up in the middle of the night to order something

00:15:10 ◼   ► I would not want to put such a small margin

00:15:13 ◼   ► like if anything goes wrong if you can't get on the Wi-Fi for a second or

00:15:17 ◼   ► If the app launch is slow or if you're groggy and you tap the wrong thing

00:15:22 ◼   ► Why in the world would you cut it so close I mean

00:15:26 ◼   ► 255 something like is it gonna kill you to like you wouldn't you want if you it just

00:15:32 ◼   ► Amazes me that I'm assuming people are reading the real time

00:15:34 ◼   ► They really set their alarm for 258 and then just kind of like a rolled over and grabbed their iPod

00:15:39 ◼   ► I mean, maybe it's a testament to how easy it is to order from the little app thing

00:15:42 ◼   ► But geez, I would never cut it that close

00:15:44 ◼   ► like it's not even worth because what I feel like if I woke up at that time and

00:15:48 ◼   ► Like because of some stupid tech thing

00:15:51 ◼   ► Didn't actually get to order until five minutes after it's crazy and everybody like I must be the weird one because everybody I've heard set

00:15:59 ◼   ► Their alarm within like one two or three minutes of 3 a.m

00:16:01 ◼   ► And I think you're all crazy. I mean what if your NTP server you haven't updated your time for a while

00:16:06 ◼   ► And you're off by a minute or two like by the time you get the iPod out people could have already bought it anyway

00:16:11 ◼   ► Yeah, but what you're forgetting though is that?

00:16:13 ◼   ► California in general and certainly Apple pre-orders when have they ever been exactly on time there

00:16:19 ◼   ► You'd never know like a why why risk it you're wet you're making yourself miserable waking up in the middle of the night anyway

00:16:24 ◼   ► Why would you not give yourself a margin of error?

00:16:26 ◼   ► These are the type and especially Marco who now lives in New York is not representing well for you, New York

00:16:29 ◼   ► These are the people who are not on time to things because they're like, well,

00:16:32 ◼   ► it only takes me five minutes to get from here to there. You know, yes,

00:16:36 ◼   ► if conditions are perfect, you can't leave yourself five minutes. Well, okay.

00:16:39 ◼   ► In my defense, first of all,

00:16:41 ◼   ► there's usually not a lot of contention for the wifi in my house at 3 AM.

00:16:45 ◼   ► You never know what's going to happen. What if, you know,

00:16:48 ◼   ► what if you had to use cellular,

00:16:49 ◼   ► what if there was a power outage in the middle of the night? What if you don't?

00:16:51 ◼   ► That takes two seconds to switch. And so my rationale there is,

00:16:55 ◼   ► because I'm actually waking myself up for this,

00:16:58 ◼   ► I'm not just staying awake for it.

00:16:59 ◼   ► I'm waking up from sleep for this.

00:17:01 ◼   ► I want to be awake for the shortest time possible

00:17:03 ◼   ► because the longer I'm awake,

00:17:04 ◼   ► the harder it will be to go back to sleep.

00:17:06 ◼   ► - This is like the watch taking off thing.

00:17:08 ◼   ► I wanna be able to get the watch on and off really fast

00:17:10 ◼   ► and I wanna be awake for three minutes, not five.

00:17:13 ◼   ► - I was, no, I was seriously considering

00:17:15 ◼   ► just not waking up for it and just waking up

00:17:17 ◼   ► at like six or seven in the morning,

00:17:18 ◼   ► right for the day.

00:17:20 ◼   ► - That is also a valid choice.

00:17:21 ◼   ► I'm just saying for the people who decided

00:17:23 ◼   ► they were gonna wake up in the middle of the night,

00:17:24 ◼   ► why risk making that all for nothing?

00:17:27 ◼   ► Well, because the reality is usually with these things,

00:17:30 ◼   ► like if you wake up in the middle of the night

00:17:31 ◼   ► and order the new iPhone when it comes out,

00:17:34 ◼   ► you don't really have to do that.

00:17:35 ◼   ► Like you can probably wake up at seven or eight

00:17:37 ◼   ► in the morning and order it then

00:17:38 ◼   ► and you'll probably still get day one stock.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Like there's so much stock of most of these new products

00:17:43 ◼   ► when they release that you don't really have to worry

00:17:47 ◼   ► about that too much.

00:17:48 ◼   ► With this, the risk was a little bit higher

00:17:51 ◼   ► because it's like, well, they're saying everything,

00:17:53 ◼   ► they're gonna have limited stock,

00:17:54 ◼   ► it is a brand new kind of thing,

00:17:55 ◼   ► not just a brand new generation of something,

00:17:57 ◼   ► so maybe they'll have very few of them,

00:17:58 ◼   ► and that proved to be true.

00:18:00 ◼   ► But the risk of missing it by a minute

00:18:04 ◼   ► is really not that high.

00:18:05 ◼   ► And by the way, here it came up at like 302, whatever,

00:18:09 ◼   ► some people that I read, I was seeing responses on Twitter,

00:18:13 ◼   ► like I'm switching back, like once it didn't go for a while,

00:18:16 ◼   ► I was like switch back to Twitter,

00:18:16 ◼   ► check it for like five seconds,

00:18:18 ◼   ► and go back to the app to try again.

00:18:20 ◼   ► And people had already put in their orders

00:18:23 ◼   ► when my app was still launching clean

00:18:25 ◼   ► and then saying not available.

00:18:26 ◼   ► So there's actually these little delays with various,

00:18:28 ◼   ► I assume it's like a CDN propagation.

00:18:31 ◼   ► - Well that's why you gotta have redundancy.

00:18:32 ◼   ► You should be checking on your computer

00:18:34 ◼   ► and also on your iPod and maybe through a VPN

00:18:37 ◼   ► to something else so you get a different CDN.

00:18:39 ◼   ► - Yeah but see, for something like W2C tickets,

00:18:41 ◼   ► back when that was lottery,

00:18:42 ◼   ► or that was the just Rush system, which we'll talk about,

00:18:45 ◼   ► but back during that, it made more sense

00:18:48 ◼   ► 'cause the risk was higher.

00:18:50 ◼   ► You knew that was gonna sell out

00:18:51 ◼   ► in a very, very, very short time.

00:18:53 ◼   ► Whereas with new product launches,

00:18:55 ◼   ► It usually is not that severe

00:18:57 ◼   ► if you're a minute after everybody else.

00:19:00 ◼   ► - Anyway, I didn't wake up in the middle of the night.

00:19:01 ◼   ► I didn't order a watch.

00:19:02 ◼   ► I did think more about ordering watches.

00:19:04 ◼   ► I did think about getting the store to look at them,

00:19:06 ◼   ► but I have done neither of those things.

00:19:09 ◼   ► - Well, now you have until June to think about it.

00:19:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, and from the sound of it, it's like,

00:19:12 ◼   ► if you didn't order immediately, then,

00:19:14 ◼   ► although I may have, I don't know,

00:19:16 ◼   ► I haven't made any decision about the watch.

00:19:19 ◼   ► Sometimes I think I should just definitely get

00:19:22 ◼   ► a really fancy one 'cause who the hell cares?

00:19:24 ◼   ► Sometimes I think, what are you doing?

00:19:25 ◼   ► You shouldn't buy any of these things.

00:19:26 ◼   ► You're never going to use it.

00:19:27 ◼   ► So, so far that has resulted in no action on my part.

00:19:30 ◼   ► Casey?

00:19:32 ◼   ► - I talked about this at length on analog,

00:19:34 ◼   ► which won't be out until this coming Sunday.

00:19:38 ◼   ► And by the time we get this episode out,

00:19:40 ◼   ► it'll probably be Friday.

00:19:41 ◼   ► So there'll be a little lag,

00:19:42 ◼   ► but the short, short version is I was in DC.

00:19:45 ◼   ► I was going to give a talk,

00:19:47 ◼   ► actually the opening keynote at CocoaConf DC.

00:19:50 ◼   ► And because of that,

00:19:51 ◼   ► I knew I shouldn't be waking up at three in the morning.

00:19:53 ◼   ► So I woke up at about seven,

00:19:55 ◼   ► actually a couple minutes before my alarm,

00:19:57 ◼   ► and thought, "Oh, let me look at Twitter

00:19:59 ◼   ► and see how it went."

00:19:59 ◼   ► And saw that there were like 350 missed tweets.

00:20:02 ◼   ► And so I immediately scrolled to the top

00:20:03 ◼   ► and said, "The hell with that."

00:20:05 ◼   ► Then I opened the Apple Store app on my phone

00:20:07 ◼   ► and saw, "Oh my God, they're shipping in June.

00:20:09 ◼   ► I must have one.

00:20:10 ◼   ► I must order it now."

00:20:11 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:20:12 ◼   ► And so I had tremendous fear of missing out,

00:20:15 ◼   ► as Mike pointed out to me.

00:20:17 ◼   ► - I believe it's pronounced FOMA.

00:20:19 ◼   ► - I think you're thinking of FOMO, but I'm with you.

00:20:21 ◼   ► So in any case, what I ended up doing was ordering a...

00:20:26 ◼   ► I always get it wrong.

00:20:28 ◼   ► Is it Space Gray Sport or Space Black Sport?

00:20:31 ◼   ► Space Gray?

00:20:31 ◼   ► - The Geek Watch?

00:20:32 ◼   ► - Yeah, the Geek Watch.

00:20:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, 42 Space Gray Sport with Black Sport Band.

00:20:37 ◼   ► - That's exactly it.

00:20:37 ◼   ► So that is what I ordered,

00:20:39 ◼   ► and it is not due in until June sometime.

00:20:42 ◼   ► And I wrote, as Marco alluded to,

00:20:45 ◼   ► I wrote a blog post about this.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I'm still not sure how I feel about all of it.

00:20:49 ◼   ► Obviously I ordered one,

00:20:50 ◼   ► So I feel strongly enough that either I'm scared of missing out or that it might be good that I that I place the order

00:20:57 ◼   ► But I don't know. I keep going back and forth kind of like what John had said that yeah

00:21:03 ◼   ► This this should probably just get canceled. I probably shouldn't even get this and then five minutes later. Oh

00:21:09 ◼   ► Actually, I I think this might be really awesome and I start thinking about all the cool things I can do with it

00:21:16 ◼   ► But in the end I figure I'll just I'll just let it go and I'll and I'll receive the watch in June

00:21:23 ◼   ► Probably after WWDC so I'll look at all of you with your cool kid watches and I'll be looking at my time X weekend or

00:21:29 ◼   ► crying but

00:21:31 ◼   ► But yeah, so I'll get the watch and then I'll use it for a week week and a half and if I like it sweet

00:21:36 ◼   ► Then I'm glad I ordered and if I don't like it, no worries. I'll return it and life goes on

00:21:40 ◼   ► I think the way they did it so so before it did your opinion change

00:21:45 ◼   ► After you saw after you did to try an appointment because you went to see them later in person

00:21:49 ◼   ► Did your opinion of any of these choices change then?

00:21:52 ◼   ► My opinion about watch bands changed dramatically and I no longer lost

00:21:57 ◼   ► Nearly as much over what Stephen Hackett dubbed the Darth Vader watch which is the head the black link the black link

00:22:03 ◼   ► When I so I went to two different try on appointments

00:22:07 ◼   ► I crashed Joel Houseman and Steph Houseman's try on appointment.

00:22:11 ◼   ► They're friends of mine and Marcos as well that live up in DC.

00:22:15 ◼   ► And so I crashed their try on appointment over lunch Friday and I didn't try on the

00:22:21 ◼   ► watch, but I got to like, you know, feel the different bands just, you know, on the little

00:22:25 ◼   ► mat and I got to play with the demo unit that's housed in acrylic.

00:22:29 ◼   ► And I left that thinking, my goodness, this is really bad because the demo unit I used

00:22:35 ◼   ► was really non-responsive, really really laggy, I did not care for it at all.

00:22:42 ◼   ► Fast forward a couple of days and I went myself and did a try on on Sunday and I decided in

00:22:50 ◼   ► short that I really do like the black sport band.

00:22:53 ◼   ► It feels a lot better than I expected, although I agree with you Marco, I'm a little scared

00:22:57 ◼   ► about the sweatiness factor.

00:23:00 ◼   ► I didn't really care for the link bracelet as much as I thought I would, but I think

00:23:04 ◼   ► - I think that's in large part because

00:23:07 ◼   ► the particular link bracelet that they had for Tryon

00:23:09 ◼   ► was like three feet too big for my wrist.

00:23:13 ◼   ► - Right, and your people wouldn't adjust it, right?

00:23:16 ◼   ► - Well, I kinda hinted, oh,

00:23:19 ◼   ► these are really easy to change, right?

00:23:21 ◼   ► Hoping the gentleman would be like,

00:23:22 ◼   ► well, yes, let me show you, but he wanted none of it.

00:23:25 ◼   ► - Well, officially, their training tells them

00:23:28 ◼   ► they are not allowed to take out links for sizing.

00:23:31 ◼   ► Many of the employees are either unaware of that

00:23:35 ◼   ► or are ignoring that and doing it anyway,

00:23:37 ◼   ► which I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to do that.

00:23:42 ◼   ► It makes such a big difference when you're wearing it,

00:23:45 ◼   ► whether it's fit to you or not.

00:23:46 ◼   ► - I can see why.

00:23:48 ◼   ► Don't you see why they don't want them to do that?

00:23:50 ◼   ► - Well, 'cause they don't want people

00:23:51 ◼   ► stealing the links or something.

00:23:51 ◼   ► - Little pieces, they'll get lost.

00:23:53 ◼   ► Yeah, totally.

00:23:54 ◼   ► - It's under pretty good security.

00:23:56 ◼   ► They can only have two watches out at a time,

00:23:58 ◼   ► and there's lots of people watching over you,

00:24:00 ◼   ► no pun intended and there's guards at the door

00:24:03 ◼   ► and everything, I mean like,

00:24:04 ◼   ► somebody who's like really good at sleight of hand

00:24:06 ◼   ► could probably get one but like it's not--

00:24:08 ◼   ► - You're not trying to steal them,

00:24:09 ◼   ► that's like they'll just fall on the ground,

00:24:10 ◼   ► they'll fall in someone's sandal in California

00:24:13 ◼   ► and they'll just walk out with it,

00:24:14 ◼   ► it'll be in someone's pocket,

00:24:16 ◼   ► they'll be scattered on the table

00:24:17 ◼   ► and they won't get all the pieces up again,

00:24:18 ◼   ► like they'll just constantly be losing pieces.

00:24:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, in practice, the appointments I've seen,

00:24:23 ◼   ► I've only gone to one store,

00:24:25 ◼   ► but because of various iPhone and laptop service

00:24:28 ◼   ► appointments I had, I've actually been there three times

00:24:30 ◼   ► since the watch just started and it's never been crowded.

00:24:34 ◼   ► Now granted I go during non-peak times

00:24:36 ◼   ► because going during peak times is stupid,

00:24:38 ◼   ► but it is not like some mad rush for the watch tables.

00:24:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah I will say that the two Tryon appointments

00:24:47 ◼   ► that I went to, one again that I was not the star

00:24:49 ◼   ► of the show if you will and the other one I was,

00:24:52 ◼   ► both times in two different Apple stores

00:24:53 ◼   ► a couple hours apart in terms of driving distance,

00:24:57 ◼   ► the people that were doing the Tryon,

00:24:59 ◼   ► employees were super nice, super patient, super helpful, really wanted to impress

00:25:07 ◼   ► upon us that these are really nice devices and they were willing to take as

00:25:12 ◼   ► much time as we wanted in order to convince us that we wanted to buy--

00:25:16 ◼   ► well that sounds shady, but in other words, like they just wanted us to be happy

00:25:19 ◼   ► with our try-on experience and it was really nice. So yeah, so trying them on, I

00:25:24 ◼   ► liked the black leather band a lot. I had heard rumblings that the other leather--

00:25:29 ◼   ► I'm sorry, not leather, sport.

00:25:31 ◼   ► I'd heard rumblings of the other sport bands felt different, and so I asked to feel the

00:25:35 ◼   ► white one, and it is very different, and I far preferred the black.

00:25:38 ◼   ► I didn't really care for the Link bracelet because it was too big and too heavy, which

00:25:42 ◼   ► was very surprising to me because I've had Link bracelet watches in the past and I've

00:25:46 ◼   ► liked them.

00:25:47 ◼   ► And I actually really, really liked the Milanese loop.

00:25:50 ◼   ► However, I do understand where you're coming from, Marco, because my inclination was to

00:25:54 ◼   ► put it on and leave it a little bit loose, probably too loose for the heart rate sensor.

00:26:00 ◼   ► And so I wonder if living with it would actually be more frustrating than I think it would

00:26:05 ◼   ► be because I'd have to tighten it often.

00:26:08 ◼   ► So I can see where you're coming from Marco on that one that it may, even though I think

00:26:13 ◼   ► it's my favorite sitting here now, living with it I may change my tune.

00:26:16 ◼   ► Although I have not ordered one, sitting here now there's no way I'm going to have a millinase

00:26:20 ◼   ► loop because I haven't ordered it, don't plan to, but we'll see what happens.

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00:29:59 ◼   ► So, we have to sort of kind of follow the sponsor break

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00:31:41 ◼   ► ATP Shirts Edition is uniquely luxurious, printed with exquisite gold-coloured foil

00:31:49 ◼   ► that textile specialists have developed to be much thinner and softer than real 18-karat gold.

00:31:57 ◼   ► We designed ATP shirts as a whole range of t-shirts, enabling uncompromising individuality

00:32:04 ◼   ► and elegance.

00:32:05 ◼   ► We're now at a compelling beginning, actually designing t-shirts to be warm, and to be truly

00:32:13 ◼   ► personal.

00:32:14 ◼   ► I'm trying so hard to compose myself, that is so magnificent.

00:32:24 ◼   ► Thank you Johnny.

00:32:25 ◼   ► Thank you Matt Alexander for stepping in and being the token Brit for that because we couldn't

00:32:30 ◼   ► have had it any other way.

00:32:32 ◼   ► It's the only Brit you know, right?

00:32:33 ◼   ► Well, one of two.

00:32:37 ◼   ► It's Matt and Mike.

00:32:38 ◼   ► It's the M named Brits.

00:32:41 ◼   ► And Matt told me he didn't want anything for this, however I have to thank his wonderful

00:32:46 ◼   ► business NeedEdition.com, that's Need, who has sponsored us before, for giving up his

00:32:52 ◼   ► time to let him do this for me even though he's the boss but yeah he's a great guy.

00:32:58 ◼   ► So for more information on our shirts go to ATP.fm/shirt to see the full collection of

00:33:06 ◼   ► ATP shirt. We have three sub-collections I don't know what are they called? You can't

00:33:12 ◼   ► say additions. ATP shirt has three collections that we've curated.

00:33:17 ◼   ► - Exactly, exactly.

00:33:18 ◼   ► - Orders are now live, there's no pre-order wait.

00:33:22 ◼   ► You know, we won't sell them to you in six months.

00:33:23 ◼   ► They're now live, it's only here for a brief time

00:33:27 ◼   ► 'cause it's the Teespring model,

00:33:28 ◼   ► so you gotta pre-order a bunch

00:33:30 ◼   ► and then they print them all at once and then that's it.

00:33:33 ◼   ► So if you want one, you gotta hurry up.

00:33:35 ◼   ► It's what, about 10 days or something like that?

00:33:37 ◼   ► - 21 days.

00:33:39 ◼   ► - Oh good, well still hurry up

00:33:40 ◼   ► 'cause podcast people are,

00:33:42 ◼   ► you're probably not listening to this immediately

00:33:43 ◼   ► when we release it and if you are, thank you.

00:33:45 ◼   ► But check it out, ATP.fm/shirt.

00:33:50 ◼   ► You don't have to wake up at 3 a.m. to order it,

00:33:51 ◼   ► you can order it right now.

00:33:53 ◼   ► And yeah, so I'm so happy this happened.

00:33:57 ◼   ► - I'm so happy this happened.

00:33:58 ◼   ► And to be clear, in case you are in a position,

00:34:00 ◼   ► maybe you're driving and you're not able

00:34:02 ◼   ► to look at the website,

00:34:03 ◼   ► we really genuinely do have three different,

00:34:06 ◼   ► we have three collections.

00:34:08 ◼   ► We have the ATP shirt sport,

00:34:10 ◼   ► which is printed on kind of, sort of, Under Armour.

00:34:13 ◼   ► It's what is this high performance Hanes

00:34:15 ◼   ► cool dry active wear.

00:34:17 ◼   ► We have the ATP shirt, which is, what is it?

00:34:21 ◼   ► Tri-blend and cotton.

00:34:23 ◼   ► And then we have the ATP shirt edition.

00:34:25 ◼   ► Marco, this is an especially wonderful touch.

00:34:28 ◼   ► Would you like to explain to us the ATP shirt edition?

00:34:30 ◼   ► - The edition actually has gold colored foil as the ink.

00:34:35 ◼   ► I don't know how this works.

00:34:37 ◼   ► I don't know anything about clothing,

00:34:38 ◼   ► but apparently this is a thing

00:34:39 ◼   ► that is actually fairly common these days.

00:34:41 ◼   ► there's actually like a gold colored foil as the print

00:34:46 ◼   ► so that we have a gold edition of our shirt.

00:34:49 ◼   ► - This is so amazing.

00:34:50 ◼   ► I'm so happy about this.

00:34:52 ◼   ► - And it does not cost $10,000.

00:34:54 ◼   ► - No, it does not.

00:34:55 ◼   ► Although it, relatively speaking, it might as well

00:34:58 ◼   ► 'cause it's going to be--

00:34:59 ◼   ► - Don't tell people, just ATP shirt starts at $20.

00:35:02 ◼   ► We'll tell you in six months

00:35:03 ◼   ► what the rest of the prices are.

00:35:04 ◼   ► - Oh God, see I'm terrible at this.

00:35:06 ◼   ► I'm not good at marketing.

00:35:07 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:35:09 ◼   ► So yeah, the ATP shirt sport is $20.

00:35:12 ◼   ► ATP shirt is $25 in four different colors.

00:35:16 ◼   ► And ATP shirt edition starts at $50 and also ends at $50.

00:35:21 ◼   ► - Unlike Apple, we will tell you the product mix.

00:35:24 ◼   ► You'll be able to tell for yourself

00:35:25 ◼   ► because there's little bar charts on every single page.

00:35:27 ◼   ► We have literally no idea which shirts

00:35:30 ◼   ► these people are gonna buy.

00:35:31 ◼   ► If everyone wants to buy a $20 shirt, fine, go ahead, right?

00:35:34 ◼   ► So we have no idea what the mix is gonna be,

00:35:36 ◼   ► but you guys will tell us.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Go out there and buy some shirts and then you can look at the little comparison bar charts

00:35:42 ◼   ► And you'll see is everybody buying the sport like I think the Apple watch

00:35:45 ◼   ► You don't have to those will come at the same time roughly so you don't have to buy one to get it sooner

00:35:49 ◼   ► But does everybody buy the shirt?

00:35:52 ◼   ► Yeah, we're kind of the part of the joke is we're using the same ridiculous product naming that Apple did but now we're suffering for

00:35:59 ◼   ► It because we can't even talk about our own

00:36:02 ◼   ► Say are you getting the ATP shirt shirt or the the addition shirt additional?

00:36:08 ◼   ► Anyway, go to the page that's pictures. Click on the one you want and buy it. There's men's and women's style

00:36:12 ◼   ► make sure you don't accidentally buy a

00:36:15 ◼   ► Men's shirt when you wanted to women's or vice versa because the previews kind of look the same

00:36:20 ◼   ► Particularly the sport shirts the men's is in blue and the woman's is in white and that's it. There's no men's white

00:36:25 ◼   ► There's no women's blue and they do look kind of similar. So and the other shirts you can get them in black and gray

00:36:31 ◼   ► make sure you're buying the one you wanna get.

00:36:34 ◼   ► - This is so magnificent.

00:36:36 ◼   ► I'm genuinely so happy that this came together.

00:36:39 ◼   ► We may sell five shirts and I'm still going to be thrilled

00:36:42 ◼   ► that this all happened.

00:36:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, none of us have any idea as we're saying this,

00:36:45 ◼   ► like how many additions we're gonna sell.

00:36:47 ◼   ► We have no clue.

00:36:48 ◼   ► I think we're gonna sell a lot.

00:36:50 ◼   ► - I'm trying not to buy one of each.

00:36:51 ◼   ► Like I tend to buy my own shirts

00:36:52 ◼   ► even though I don't wear them to just have them,

00:36:55 ◼   ► which is why I'm the proud owner of every color

00:36:57 ◼   ► of the Hypercritical shirt.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Those will be worth something someday.

00:36:59 ◼   ► - In pristine condition, that's right.

00:37:01 ◼   ► but I can't buy this many shirts.

00:37:02 ◼   ► I don't know which one I'm gonna get.

00:37:04 ◼   ► - We've sold a total of six editions already,

00:37:06 ◼   ► three of the black and three of the red.

00:37:07 ◼   ► - How many of those are Marco though?

00:37:09 ◼   ► - No, I haven't ordered mine yet.

00:37:10 ◼   ► - Five.

00:37:11 ◼   ► - No, I'm gonna order one of each edition.

00:37:12 ◼   ► I have to get one for my wife, of course,

00:37:14 ◼   ► and I'll get the men's for me.

00:37:16 ◼   ► And of course, and we have to tell people,

00:37:18 ◼   ► in the tradition of some of the product line

00:37:21 ◼   ► we've heard about recently,

00:37:23 ◼   ► the editions are, the only difference really

00:37:25 ◼   ► is the colors available and the gold foil print.

00:37:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, they all have the same CPU.

00:37:30 ◼   ► - Yep, they all have the same amount of RAM.

00:37:31 ◼   ► They're just as fast.

00:37:33 ◼   ► They all have the same Bluetooth connectivity,

00:37:36 ◼   ► which is none.

00:37:36 ◼   ► - Same artwork.

00:37:37 ◼   ► - Same, yeah, same amount of space, same artwork.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Different colors of the artwork,

00:37:41 ◼   ► slightly different positions on some of them

00:37:43 ◼   ► 'cause of the different shaped shirts.

00:37:45 ◼   ► - Right, I mean, there's no bands,

00:37:46 ◼   ► but you are the band in the shirt.

00:37:47 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:37:48 ◼   ► - Think of yourself as the band.

00:37:49 ◼   ► You are a leather loop winding your way through the shirt.

00:37:52 ◼   ► - And you come in all different colors and styles

00:37:54 ◼   ► and you are special.

00:37:56 ◼   ► - This is so amazing.

00:37:57 ◼   ► - I can't believe we actually did this.

00:37:59 ◼   ► - I can't either, I'm so happy.

00:38:02 ◼   ► - I'm just glad we did it first.

00:38:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was afraid of that honestly.

00:38:06 ◼   ► Now we're in t-shirt season for podcasters and geek things

00:38:10 ◼   ► 'cause it's near WWDC time

00:38:12 ◼   ► and so this is when everyone's making their shirts.

00:38:14 ◼   ► - So we can segue right into WWDC

00:38:16 ◼   ► where we hope to see these shirts

00:38:18 ◼   ► because they are shipping what, May 6th or something.

00:38:22 ◼   ► WWDC starts June 8th so there should be plenty of time

00:38:26 ◼   ► for you to get your shirts and wear them to WWDC

00:38:29 ◼   ► where we hope to see you, right guys?

00:38:32 ◼   ► - Well, I'll be there.

00:38:34 ◼   ► - Okay, so let's get this out of the way right up front.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Whether or not you receive a ticket,

00:38:39 ◼   ► Marco, you have just said you are going?

00:38:42 ◼   ► - Yes, I've already booked an unrefundable plane ticket

00:38:44 ◼   ► and I booked a hotel, so I'm there regardless.

00:38:47 ◼   ► 'Cause there's so much good stuff,

00:38:49 ◼   ► like now there's Alt Conf,

00:38:51 ◼   ► and I saw Jesse Char's doing a design conference.

00:38:54 ◼   ► So like there's, and like there's, everyone's there,

00:38:56 ◼   ► and there's all these like smaller gatherings

00:38:58 ◼   ► and people who get together and watch the live stream

00:39:00 ◼   ► or watch the keynote and then watch the sessions

00:39:02 ◼   ► and everything.

00:39:03 ◼   ► So there's a bunch of good stuff going on.

00:39:05 ◼   ► I don't hope that I don't get a ticket,

00:39:08 ◼   ► but if I don't get a ticket,

00:39:10 ◼   ► I'm kind of looking forward to being forced

00:39:13 ◼   ► to go explore more of these things, like AllaConf,

00:39:17 ◼   ► because it really does seem like there's a lot

00:39:20 ◼   ► of good stuff going on out there.

00:39:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I completely agree.

00:39:23 ◼   ► I am also going.

00:39:24 ◼   ► I have booked my return flight,

00:39:28 ◼   ► Although, coincidentally, I have not yet booked my outgoing flight because I'm trying to work

00:39:31 ◼   ► out with Erin whether or not she and/or, well, I guess not or, she and Declan are going to

00:39:37 ◼   ► come as well.

00:39:38 ◼   ► Just leave him home.

00:39:39 ◼   ► He's fine.

00:39:40 ◼   ► He's old enough now.

00:39:41 ◼   ► Yeah, he's old enough.

00:39:42 ◼   ► He's five and a half months.

00:39:43 ◼   ► He'll be fine.

00:39:44 ◼   ► We'll see what happens, but I am going to be going for the week.

00:39:46 ◼   ► I'll be flying back Friday afternoon, which we should also talk about in a moment.

00:39:51 ◼   ► Jon, what is your agenda?

00:39:54 ◼   ► I like both of you entered into the ticket lottery.

00:39:58 ◼   ► If I do not get a ticket, probably won't be going.

00:40:01 ◼   ► I have hotel reservations, but they're cancelable.

00:40:04 ◼   ► I have not booked a plane flight yet.

00:40:07 ◼   ► I'm just hoping…

00:40:08 ◼   ► I mean I'll just have to wait and see and decide then, but right now I don't know…

00:40:12 ◼   ► Like the whole reason I would be going is to go to WWDC.

00:40:16 ◼   ► I don't have apps that I'm developing.

00:40:18 ◼   ► I don't think I can justify going out there for a whole week for nothing, but I don't

00:40:24 ◼   ► know.

00:40:25 ◼   ► I'll decide when I find out what the result of the lottery is, but unlike the two of you,

00:40:28 ◼   ► I'm not committing to going at this point.

00:40:30 ◼   ► Okay, now would it affect your decision if we asked all of the internet to shame you

00:40:35 ◼   ► and tweet at you and say you should go?

00:40:38 ◼   ► Mmm, no, I don't think so.

00:40:40 ◼   ► All of the internet's not going to be there anyway.

00:40:43 ◼   ► All of the internet could be home, the same as me, watching the live streams of the sessions,

00:40:47 ◼   ► you know what I mean?

00:40:48 ◼   ► Some sessions.

00:40:49 ◼   ► Some sessions.

00:40:50 ◼   ► Would you, if you don't go, would you actually watch the live streams, or would you just

00:40:55 ◼   ► treat it like normal work week and just kind of ignore it and say, "Oh, I'll watch them

00:40:58 ◼   ► later," and then never watch them.

00:40:59 ◼   ► The fact that they're live—it's not the live.

00:41:00 ◼   ► Like last year, it wasn't it like they had the streams basically that night or the next

00:41:05 ◼   ► day, or like there was a one-day like?

00:41:06 ◼   ► That's fine.

00:41:07 ◼   ► That's what I would do is I would come home from work and put the kids to bed and then

00:41:10 ◼   ► watch some WWDC sessions.

00:41:11 ◼   ► I don't care.

00:41:12 ◼   ► I don't have to see them live live, except for maybe I would take a day off to see Keynote

00:41:17 ◼   ► the State of the Union live, but other than that, you know.

00:41:20 ◼   ► Yep.

00:41:21 ◼   ► All right.

00:41:22 ◼   ► So let's talk about the ticketing system.

00:41:23 ◼   ► Marco, you had said you had some things to say,

00:41:26 ◼   ► so I'll just kick it right over to you.

00:41:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, I thought, so last year was,

00:41:30 ◼   ► that was the first year for the lottery, right, last year?

00:41:32 ◼   ► - I believe you are correct, I believe it was last year.

00:41:35 ◼   ► - Right, so basically, before the system was

00:41:38 ◼   ► just you show up and buy a ticket,

00:41:39 ◼   ► just like ordering a phone,

00:41:41 ◼   ► and when they run out, they run out.

00:41:42 ◼   ► And after a couple years of that happening

00:41:45 ◼   ► like crazily quickly, they switched to a lottery system

00:41:49 ◼   ► where you have a few days window to go and say,

00:41:53 ◼   ► consider me for a ticket.

00:41:55 ◼   ► And you throw your hat in the ring,

00:41:56 ◼   ► and then what they did last year was they would email you

00:42:01 ◼   ► after a few days after submissions were cut off,

00:42:03 ◼   ► and if you got in they'd email you and say,

00:42:05 ◼   ► hey, here's a link, you can buy the ticket

00:42:06 ◼   ► within 24 hours or whatever.

00:42:08 ◼   ► Overall it was a very good system.

00:42:09 ◼   ► The only real flaw in that is that it allowed people

00:42:14 ◼   ► to duplicate sign up, so if you had more than one

00:42:18 ◼   ► developer account, which many people do,

00:42:20 ◼   ► especially consultants, or people who work

00:42:23 ◼   ► full time and then do their own side projects or whatever.

00:42:26 ◼   ► - Hi.

00:42:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:42:28 ◼   ► A lot of people have multiple developer accounts.

00:42:30 ◼   ► And so that allowed you to sign up,

00:42:32 ◼   ► it was like, it was stupid not to.

00:42:33 ◼   ► You should use multiple developer accounts

00:42:35 ◼   ► to increase your chances last year.

00:42:38 ◼   ► And so a lot of people did.

00:42:40 ◼   ► Also, that allowed people to take up slots

00:42:42 ◼   ► in the system who maybe weren't that serious,

00:42:45 ◼   ► maybe didn't really wanna go that badly,

00:42:47 ◼   ► but like, well, I don't really wanna go that badly,

00:42:49 ◼   ► but if I get a ticket, then I'll go, right?

00:42:52 ◼   ► This year, and last year, I forget,

00:42:55 ◼   ► somewhere I mentioned that they should do it this way,

00:42:58 ◼   ► and this year they changed it so that this year,

00:43:01 ◼   ► in order to be considered for a ticket,

00:43:05 ◼   ► you had to put in your credit card

00:43:06 ◼   ► and basically place an order.

00:43:08 ◼   ► And if they choose you, they're just gonna charge

00:43:11 ◼   ► your credit card and it's non-refundable.

00:43:13 ◼   ► So if you sign up with multiple developer accounts,

00:43:16 ◼   ► there's a chance that more than one of them

00:43:18 ◼   ► will win the lottery, and you'll just be charged,

00:43:21 ◼   ► you'll be out $1600, like, you'll be just out.

00:43:25 ◼   ► And the tickets are non-transferable and everything,

00:43:27 ◼   ► and in the past that's been mixed

00:43:29 ◼   ► as to whether you could actually transfer them or not,

00:43:31 ◼   ► but they're pretty serious about it this time,

00:43:33 ◼   ► so we don't know if you can actually easily transfer

00:43:36 ◼   ► a duplicate ticket if you get one from different accounts.

00:43:39 ◼   ► So really, it's like, this time there's pretty much,

00:43:42 ◼   ► there's very little reason to sign up multiple accounts,

00:43:45 ◼   ► or to sign up if you're not really that serious about it.

00:43:47 ◼   ► Because, you know, if you quote win the lottery,

00:43:51 ◼   ► and they pick you, you literally just get charged

00:43:54 ◼   ► and that's it, there's no more, there's no recourse.

00:43:56 ◼   ► - I don't know how many people were aware of that though,

00:43:58 ◼   ► because I certainly wasn't.

00:43:59 ◼   ► I went through the whole process as always.

00:44:01 ◼   ► I did one entry, I did one entry last year,

00:44:03 ◼   ► I did one entry this year.

00:44:04 ◼   ► I don't have multiple accounts that are even eligible

00:44:06 ◼   ► to buy from, I think.

00:44:07 ◼   ► But I did not notice any, like who reads the fine print?

00:44:11 ◼   ► Like I'm sure that was in there somewhere,

00:44:12 ◼   ► but I'm just like click, click, click, click, click, done.

00:44:14 ◼   ► - Same here.

00:44:15 ◼   ► - I imagine a lot of people are going to be

00:44:16 ◼   ► unpleasantly surprised when they get charged $1,600

00:44:20 ◼   ► three times instead of the one or when they go to cancel.

00:44:22 ◼   ► All right, I won the lottery three times.

00:44:24 ◼   ► I just got to cancel the other two.

00:44:25 ◼   ► Nope.

00:44:26 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:27 ◼   ► I mean, like you can always do a charge back

00:44:28 ◼   ► on the credit card company.

00:44:29 ◼   ► I'm sure there are ways out of this,

00:44:30 ◼   ► but it's, I don't think that was expressed in the UI

00:44:34 ◼   ► in a way that made people aware of it.

00:44:36 ◼   ► I think after the fact, now we're all aware of it

00:44:38 ◼   ► 'cause we're all reading each other's blog posts

00:44:39 ◼   ► from the people who did read the fine print, right?

00:44:41 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I am right there with you, Jon.

00:44:44 ◼   ► I registered on my personal account,

00:44:47 ◼   ► immediately went and registered on my work account,

00:44:49 ◼   ► And then like three hours later, a friend of the show, underscore David Smith, said to me,

00:44:53 ◼   ► "Yeah, man, that sucks about the insta-charging." And I was, my words, not his. And I said, "Wait,

00:44:58 ◼   ► what?" He said, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to charge you instantly if you win."

00:45:01 ◼   ► Oh. And so I immediately backed off. I forget which one, but I backed off and I think withdraw,

00:45:06 ◼   ► or withdrew is the term they used. One of the two hats I threw in the ring. So I think this makes

00:45:14 ◼   ► I think this makes perfect sense from Apple's perspective in that they don't want someone

00:45:20 ◼   ► to put in two or five or ten entries and if you could potentially

00:45:25 ◼   ► Win every single one you're not likely to do that like you did last year

00:45:30 ◼   ► but what I wonder is

00:45:32 ◼   ► to John's point it wasn't really obvious that was the case and

00:45:36 ◼   ► Even if you were like ask screw it

00:45:39 ◼   ► There's no way I'll win and you put in two or three or four entries and then what if all four of them?

00:45:44 ◼   ► Let's say when what are you gonna do?

00:45:46 ◼   ► I mean if you can't transfer them or if you're a solo person and you have no one to transfer them to even if you wanted

00:45:52 ◼   ► To what are you gonna do? Are they really gonna have four empty slots at WWDC?

00:45:56 ◼   ► Like when push comes to shove do you really think Apple's gonna be like well tough no geez

00:46:00 ◼   ► Well, I mean like we had an email a question asking about this

00:46:03 ◼   ► But and of course past years don't don't have necessarily have any bearing on the current year

00:46:07 ◼   ► But the general process has been for the few years that I've gone is that you go

00:46:11 ◼   ► And pick up your badge and you have to show them ID or whatever prove that you are who you are in some way

00:46:16 ◼   ► and that's the only time they ever connect a

00:46:20 ◼   ► Person to a badge. So if you bought four of them on four personal accounts

00:46:25 ◼   ► You could go and pick up one badge go out go and pick up your second badge go out go and pick up your third

00:46:30 ◼   ► Badge go out go and pick up your fourth badge go out now

00:46:33 ◼   ► You have four WDC badges that you could distribute to your four

00:46:35 ◼   ► Co-workers or friends and for the rest of the conference everyone is just looking to see that you have a badge

00:46:41 ◼   ► they're not going to say this badge says John Doe or you John Doe prove that you're John Doe that never happens now

00:46:47 ◼   ► That's not to say that might not happen if you go thinking that you will never be checked and you are suddenly checked

00:46:52 ◼   ► Bummer for you, right like security changes every year, but in the past what I just described has been possible

00:46:58 ◼   ► So if someone did actually win the lottery four times

00:47:02 ◼   ► They could conceivably still get four passes and distribute them to other people

00:47:06 ◼   ► The other possibility is that you entered four times because you didn't read the print that was there that said you were gonna be charged immediately

00:47:12 ◼   ► and

00:47:14 ◼   ► You still only won one you got that you locked out you got the advantage of having four entries

00:47:19 ◼   ► When other people only had one entry and it paid off for you because you lost three times at one once

00:47:23 ◼   ► So now you got one ticket and you still kind of did the same thing

00:47:26 ◼   ► That that Marco was complaining about from last year that people, you know

00:47:30 ◼   ► Sort of just bought a whole bunch and to use the shotgun approach and cross their fingers

00:47:35 ◼   ► The the system of charging immediately will probably work better next year when everybody knows that it's a thing

00:47:40 ◼   ► But this year it only worked as well as people's attention

00:47:44 ◼   ► During the the purchase process to notice that text there like and I do not doubt that the text was there

00:47:50 ◼   ► But I don't know just like your condition to just go click click click click click like I didn't read it

00:47:55 ◼   ► I didn't notice it

00:47:56 ◼   ► You know I just assumed that it would if I saw anything to that effect

00:47:59 ◼   ► I would have assumed like oh, they're just gonna do an auth on a card

00:48:02 ◼   ► but they're not gonna do a settle,

00:48:03 ◼   ► and that's just what everybody does on purchases

00:48:05 ◼   ► to make sure it's a legitimate card and stuff like that.

00:48:08 ◼   ► It never occurred to me that it would be non-refundable.

00:48:12 ◼   ► And realistically speaking, like I said,

00:48:13 ◼   ► I don't think it is non-refundable.

00:48:15 ◼   ► You can always probably dispute it

00:48:16 ◼   ► with the credit card company or whatever

00:48:17 ◼   ► and get the charge reversed.

00:48:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, a chargeback is very possible to fix it,

00:48:24 ◼   ► but that's kind of a crappy thing to do.

00:48:26 ◼   ► This is a pretty bad reason to invoke a chargeback

00:48:29 ◼   ► if you end up having to do it.

00:48:30 ◼   ► And I think this is an improvement over last year's system.

00:48:34 ◼   ► I just think that the communication about this improvement

00:48:37 ◼   ► should have been more in your face.

00:48:40 ◼   ► And next year, I think it will be more socialized

00:48:42 ◼   ► amongst all the people who care enough to enter this lottery

00:48:45 ◼   ► that it will be a better deterrent.

00:48:47 ◼   ► But this year, it seems like it'll probably shake out

00:48:49 ◼   ► similarly to last year, in terms of like how many people

00:48:52 ◼   ► put in multiple entries and stuff.

00:48:54 ◼   ► - I don't know, we'll see.

00:48:55 ◼   ► Anyone who really pays attention to this sort of thing

00:49:00 ◼   ► is likely to have only put in one entry.

00:49:02 ◼   ► Like I said, I put in two, and just like you, John,

00:49:04 ◼   ► I just clicked immediately through everything,

00:49:06 ◼   ► I think in no small part because I'm so trained

00:49:09 ◼   ► and conditioned from earlier years when it was a mad dash,

00:49:12 ◼   ► and even though conceptually I understand it's a lottery

00:49:15 ◼   ► and the time doesn't matter, I'm still conditioned to,

00:49:17 ◼   ► oh my God, gotta get in, gotta get in, gotta get in.

00:49:19 ◼   ► And because of that, I didn't really read anything.

00:49:22 ◼   ► But anyone who is paying any attention at all

00:49:25 ◼   ► or is friends with people who pay attention, like I am,

00:49:28 ◼   ► is gonna have heard about this.

00:49:29 ◼   ► So I don't think there'll be that many that double dip,

00:49:32 ◼   ► but I am curious to see how it's handled.

00:49:34 ◼   ► - I just love that for the first time ever,

00:49:37 ◼   ► I paid attention to something and read something

00:49:40 ◼   ► that you guys didn't.

00:49:41 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:49:42 ◼   ► 'Cause I, during the process of reserving my first spot,

00:49:46 ◼   ► I didn't reserve a second one,

00:49:47 ◼   ► during the process of reserving my first spot,

00:49:50 ◼   ► I immediately got that impression

00:49:52 ◼   ► and immediately noticed the change

00:49:53 ◼   ► and they were very, I thought they were very clear about it.

00:49:56 ◼   ► But we will see.

00:49:57 ◼   ► - If you don't have an eye towards multiples,

00:49:59 ◼   ► like I was never gonna buy multiples,

00:50:00 ◼   ► I have no way to buy multiples.

00:50:02 ◼   ► I'm just skimming the text, it's not relevant to me,

00:50:06 ◼   ► but if like you, you are planning to go through one window,

00:50:09 ◼   ► click, click, click,

00:50:10 ◼   ► and then go through a second window, click, click, click,

00:50:11 ◼   ► I imagine what you were looking for

00:50:12 ◼   ► is some kind of prohibition that says,

00:50:14 ◼   ► if the same person entered the lottery two times,

00:50:17 ◼   ► all their entries would be nullified,

00:50:18 ◼   ► or something like that.

00:50:19 ◼   ► That's what you should basically be on the lookout for,

00:50:21 ◼   ► which would motivate you to read all the texts

00:50:23 ◼   ► and then actually read the whole--

00:50:24 ◼   ► - Well, and there is actually a rule in there

00:50:26 ◼   ► that says one per person, basically,

00:50:28 ◼   ► and who knows how they're gonna enforce it.

00:50:31 ◼   ► Obviously, if you're playing nicely by the rules,

00:50:36 ◼   ► you wouldn't enter more than one time in a system like this.

00:50:40 ◼   ► It doesn't sound like the kind of thing where,

00:50:42 ◼   ► if all your accounts have your name on them,

00:50:45 ◼   ► so you're trying to pick up two badges

00:50:48 ◼   ► with the same name on them,

00:50:50 ◼   ► you're gonna, as somebody pointed out in the chat earlier,

00:50:52 ◼   ► when you go in and pick up your badge,

00:50:53 ◼   ► it's sorted by last name.

00:50:55 ◼   ► So you probably see the exact same person

00:50:57 ◼   ► giving you your badge and signing you in.

00:50:59 ◼   ► - It is by Apple ID ultimately.

00:51:01 ◼   ► So like they may say be like, oh, there's two people.

00:51:03 ◼   ► What if you have two people who actually have the same name?

00:51:05 ◼   ► But of course they have two different Apple IDs.

00:51:07 ◼   ► They would have two badges

00:51:08 ◼   ► that both say John Doe on them, right?

00:51:09 ◼   ► And they would say, I'm John Doe, which John Doe are you?

00:51:12 ◼   ► I'm John Doe with Apple ID, whatever, right?

00:51:14 ◼   ► And so you just have to keep going back

00:51:15 ◼   ► and picking up more John Doe badges.

00:51:16 ◼   ► But you can also just have different names on your Apple IDs

00:51:19 ◼   ► for your multiple accounts.

00:51:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's true.

00:51:21 ◼   ► But either way, it's now in order to get multiple,

00:51:25 ◼   ► or in order to have multiple chances of getting tickets,

00:51:27 ◼   ► You have to jump through a lot of hoops now

00:51:29 ◼   ► and possibly do some pretty crappy things.

00:51:33 ◼   ► And so it's probably not worth it.

00:51:35 ◼   ► I think and I hope this would probably deter most people

00:51:40 ◼   ► from doing that, but we will see.

00:51:42 ◼   ► 'Cause it would be more fair of a system

00:51:44 ◼   ► if people didn't do that.

00:51:46 ◼   ► But the way it was last year,

00:51:47 ◼   ► you kinda can't blame people for doing it

00:51:48 ◼   ► 'cause it's so easy and there's no downside.

00:51:50 ◼   ► So I think this is probably a move for the better.

00:51:53 ◼   ► It is gonna be the image we're gonna have to see

00:51:56 ◼   ► how it shakes out as people who didn't read the text

00:51:59 ◼   ► get double charged.

00:52:00 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:52:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm very curious to see how this goes.

00:52:04 ◼   ► And I genuinely wish the two of you guys the best of luck.

00:52:08 ◼   ► I really hope that, I hope that we all get in,

00:52:10 ◼   ► but I hope that you guys get in,

00:52:13 ◼   ► but we'll see what happens.

00:52:14 ◼   ► And it sounds like no matter what, Marco,

00:52:16 ◼   ► I'll be seeing you out there,

00:52:17 ◼   ► and hopefully we'll be able to guilt Jon into it

00:52:19 ◼   ► between now and then.

00:52:20 ◼   ► - The two of you don't even wanna go to the session,

00:52:22 ◼   ► so I think you should just forego tickets entirely

00:52:24 ◼   ► and cancel it. - Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:52:24 ◼   ► I didn't say that.

00:52:25 ◼   ► You're just like, I'm gonna go to AltConf,

00:52:27 ◼   ► I'm gonna be hanging out at bars,

00:52:29 ◼   ► and expand my horizons.

00:52:30 ◼   ► - No, the reason I've never gone to AltConf

00:52:33 ◼   ► is because I keep getting tickets.

00:52:36 ◼   ► And so I know that if I have a ticket to WWDC,

00:52:40 ◼   ► I'm going to every session, I always do.

00:52:43 ◼   ► I might miss one time slot somewhere maybe

00:52:45 ◼   ► for something else, but that's very rare.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Usually I go to every time slot.

00:52:48 ◼   ► And even though I always comically pick wrong,

00:52:54 ◼   ► whenever there's always like three or four different choices

00:52:57 ◼   ► of like things that are going on during this time slot

00:53:00 ◼   ► that I'm kind of interested in

00:53:01 ◼   ► or that I might be interested in,

00:53:02 ◼   ► I always pick the wrong one.

00:53:04 ◼   ► I'm always in the session that nobody else is in.

00:53:07 ◼   ► And it's always like not quite what I thought it would be.

00:53:09 ◼   ► And everyone who went to the other one said,

00:53:11 ◼   ► "Oh, it was awesome."

00:53:13 ◼   ► I'm just terrible at choosing what to go to.

00:53:15 ◼   ► - Yep, totally.

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00:56:25 ◼   ► - Moments before we started recording tonight,

00:56:29 ◼   ► there was a bit of a bombshell that Jon dropped.

00:56:32 ◼   ► Jon, would you like to tell us about that?

00:56:34 ◼   ► - It's not a bombshell.

00:56:35 ◼   ► I've been talking about it on this podcast

00:56:36 ◼   ► for like eight months.

00:56:37 ◼   ► - It's a bombshell, Jon.

00:56:38 ◼   ► - Eight months we've been talking about it.

00:56:40 ◼   ► - It's the least surprising bombshell

00:56:42 ◼   ► the people who know you the best.

00:56:44 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:56:45 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:56:46 ◼   ► Well, anyway, as I've been discussing since, I think I published my OS X Yosemite review

00:56:54 ◼   ► last year, and I'm like, "Oh, I think this might be the last one."

00:56:57 ◼   ► Well, I'm now making it official.

00:57:00 ◼   ► Two things are official.

00:57:01 ◼   ► One, I actually posted something to hypercritical.co, which hasn't happened since I've cut up the

00:57:05 ◼   ► Yosemite review.

00:57:06 ◼   ► And two, what I posted there was an explanation that I am not going to review whatever the

00:57:10 ◼   ► next major version of OS X that Apple will presumably announce at WWDC turns out to be.

00:57:18 ◼   ► And I've explained why I was thinking of stopping the reviews many, many times on this show.

00:57:23 ◼   ► I kind of tried to distill that explanation into a short little post that I admittedly

00:57:29 ◼   ► wrote in ten minutes before we started recording the show.

00:57:32 ◼   ► But you can go to hypercritical.co and read it, and I don't think there's anything really

00:57:37 ◼   ► new to say.

00:57:38 ◼   ► I just feel like I'm done with that.

00:57:40 ◼   ► I've done that and I did it the best that I could do it.

00:57:45 ◼   ► And at a certain point, the dread of having to do it

00:57:51 ◼   ► outweighs the joy of having done it.

00:57:55 ◼   ► And it kind of crossed over that threshold

00:57:57 ◼   ► around 10.9, 10.10.

00:57:59 ◼   ► And like honestly, 10.9 probably would have been

00:58:02 ◼   ► the last one, except it was like, they didn't change the UI

00:58:05 ◼   ► and it was so clear they were going to change the UI.

00:58:08 ◼   ► And I really love round numbers.

00:58:09 ◼   ► And so I said I'm gonna hold out for 10/10 and I'm totally glad that I did I wrote 10/10

00:58:13 ◼   ► Knowing that would more or less be my last I tried to end it with some amount of finality

00:58:17 ◼   ► Obviously, it's you know, nothing is ever over like it will continue on and so on and so forth

00:58:22 ◼   ► But it's the end of the road for me. I think 15 years

00:58:24 ◼   ► You know 10.0 through 10.10 plus a bunch of the developer reviews plus times, you know the things I

00:58:30 ◼   ► Think I've got it covered. I think I did it and so now someone else can take over and

00:58:36 ◼   ► Like so much has changed since I started writing these reviews when I started writing them

00:58:40 ◼   ► I was the only person writing anything about OS X before people even knew what it was like either

00:58:45 ◼   ► You're a Mac user and you didn't hear about this at all or you are not a Mac user

00:58:50 ◼   ► You didn't care what the hell Apple did aren't they going out of business anyway who the hell cares, right?

00:58:54 ◼   ► and so part of the reason I got any kind of notoriety was because I

00:58:58 ◼   ► Would write these articles about this thing that people didn't even know it existed

00:59:02 ◼   ► They're like OS X what I don't know like you can see from like the first paragraph like that

00:59:08 ◼   ► My first five reviews were telling people that the X is a Roman numeral 10

00:59:10 ◼   ► Which granted people still mispronounce including I've heard by the way the audio version of this new Steve Jobs book

00:59:17 ◼   ► The guy reads it as OS X

00:59:19 ◼   ► Anyway, no excuse for that. But back then people didn't know what it was

00:59:23 ◼   ► No, like Unix and it's a Mac and it's got a command line

00:59:26 ◼   ► Well, I'm sure I won't ship with the command line because that wouldn't be a Mac then like just it was such a different world

00:59:31 ◼   ► These days it's covered like forget about iOS like even though I stand like there are tons of great reviews out there

00:59:38 ◼   ► the idea of a long-form

00:59:41 ◼   ► Tech nerd review that goes into obsessive detail is now not a new idea. It's all over the place

00:59:48 ◼   ► A lot of people are great at it. I feel like I'm not needed anymore

00:59:52 ◼   ► I feel like I've done what I had to do and people have got it covered and we moved on to

00:59:56 ◼   ► Scroll jacking animated video reviews anyway, so I am a dinosaur from an earlier era

01:00:02 ◼   ► The hardest thing about writing this this little summary of why I'm not doing anymore OS X reviews was that I I

01:00:10 ◼   ► would end up having to link to my early reviews and

01:00:13 ◼   ► Boy, I could not look at those like and I say that that's the way it should be with everything

01:00:19 ◼   ► That's the way it is

01:00:20 ◼   ► But I go back to those old ones like why why did you think this was ready to be published like we didn't

01:00:25 ◼   ► We didn't have copywriters back then we didn't really have editors to speak of it was just we didn't know what we were doing

01:00:32 ◼   ► I didn't know what I was doing

01:00:34 ◼   ► Boy, definitely a different world. So I put the bottom of the

01:00:37 ◼   ► This explanation I put links to all of my old OS X reviews also were links to the pre releases and links to a couple of

01:00:43 ◼   ► Retrospectives. I wrote a retrospective about my reviews when I hit 10 years worth of OS X reviews. I did a retrospective

01:00:49 ◼   ► I also did one at five years five years of the OS and ten years of my reviewing them and

01:00:54 ◼   ► and this ending one is around 15.

01:00:55 ◼   ► So there were a lot of milestones in there,

01:00:58 ◼   ► but you want to check it out, you can.

01:01:00 ◼   ► And this year, I have no doubt

01:01:03 ◼   ► that you will have no problem finding

01:01:05 ◼   ► some really excellent reviews of OS X,

01:01:07 ◼   ► as you have been able to for the past several years.

01:01:10 ◼   ► And I'll talk about it in ATP,

01:01:11 ◼   ► so if you want to hear what I have to say about OS X,

01:01:14 ◼   ► 10.11, whatever the hell they're gonna call it,

01:01:17 ◼   ► you know where to come.

01:01:18 ◼   ► I'll have plenty to say about it.

01:01:19 ◼   ► I just won't write it down this time.

01:01:21 ◼   ► - So let's get ahead of at least one or two questions.

01:01:25 ◼   ► If somebody set up a Kickstarter to try to fund

01:01:28 ◼   ► and buy your time in order to get you

01:01:30 ◼   ► to write another review, you will not accept that money,

01:01:33 ◼   ► you will not do another review.

01:01:34 ◼   ► - Is the Kickstarter for a machine

01:01:36 ◼   ► that will actually pause time,

01:01:38 ◼   ► allowing me to write the review in a month

01:01:40 ◼   ► that goes by in an instant, then that might be possible.

01:01:43 ◼   ► But otherwise you can't, you know, time may be money,

01:01:46 ◼   ► but money is not time.

01:01:48 ◼   ► And like the whole idea, as I say at the end of this review,

01:01:51 ◼   ► the when I decided that I'm not doing this and when I told our architectica that I'm not gonna do the review for them or

01:01:57 ◼   ► for anybody else for that matter

01:01:58 ◼   ► I was so relieved as I thought of the idea of a summer

01:02:02 ◼   ► I have a summer stretching out before me and that summer I won't be just obsessing the entire summer over this one thing

01:02:08 ◼   ► How am I gonna fit it in? How am I gonna get it done?

01:02:10 ◼   ► How am I gonna work it through all like my vacations and kids kids vacations? Will I get it done?

01:02:14 ◼   ► when is the OS gonna ship like that's what my summers have been like and

01:02:18 ◼   ► Just the relief of being like this summer. That's not what it's gonna be like and of course

01:02:23 ◼   ► I just replaced that stress with a different stress by doing a bunch of home renovations. But anyway, that's the idea

01:02:27 ◼   ► There's a spot free in my stress pyramid, right?

01:02:31 ◼   ► I can just take something else and put it in there and hopefully it'll be less stressful. And the second thing is like

01:02:37 ◼   ► WWDC the prospect of going to WWDC and not having to write a review

01:02:42 ◼   ► Well, it means that I'm not gonna get a press pass this year, right so fine

01:02:45 ◼   ► So if I don't get in a lottery like last year

01:02:47 ◼   ► I got a press pass from Apple if I don't get the lottery this year

01:02:50 ◼   ► I'm just you know tough luck, right?

01:02:52 ◼   ► But the idea of being able to go to WBC and just go to whatever the hell sessions

01:02:56 ◼   ► I want and just just enjoy them and not frantically take notes and not obsess about what I'm gonna write about

01:03:01 ◼   ► That is exciting and relaxing to me like going there is like a civilian that that is very attractive to me

01:03:07 ◼   ► So that's how I know it was time to stop if I'm just like

01:03:10 ◼   ► Excited about all the things that are gonna be different now that I'm not writing it

01:03:14 ◼   ► Do you plan on doing some sort of small blog post for your blog or some sort of quick impressions or anything like that?

01:03:20 ◼   ► History has shown that I'm terrible at writing anything on my blog

01:03:23 ◼   ► So I would if you're gonna bet on that I'm gonna say bet against I guess that's the safe bet there

01:03:29 ◼   ► I will certainly we'll talk about it at length here, right?

01:03:32 ◼   ► So that's you know

01:03:33 ◼   ► It's not like I don't have an outlet for my thoughts without without this long-form writing thing that I do once a year

01:03:38 ◼   ► I will talk about it on the podcast and I won't yeah

01:03:41 ◼   ► Another thing that I get to enjoy is like in past years, I've intentionally held back my opinions

01:03:47 ◼   ► About OS 10 on the podcast because it's like well

01:03:50 ◼   ► I'm saving it for the review like why spoil the entire review by talking about it for months and months on the podcast even though

01:03:55 ◼   ► apparently it doesn't count and

01:03:57 ◼   ► In many people's minds and only the review counts

01:03:59 ◼   ► But anyway now we'll just be able to talk about it as things occurred to us and I won't be like hoarding my insights

01:04:04 ◼   ► for this, you know

01:04:07 ◼   ► 30,000 word thing that I'm gonna dump out and then after it dumps out trying to say

01:04:11 ◼   ► trying to like retroactively say let me explain to you my thinking behind these things and when I thought them and

01:04:16 ◼   ► It will be nice to just be able to say things as they come

01:04:19 ◼   ► And I assume most of that will be on the podcast if I write something on my side

01:04:23 ◼   ► I suppose it could happen but doesn't seem likely I

01:04:27 ◼   ► Have mixed emotions about this era ending because I really have always enjoyed even before I knew you

01:04:34 ◼   ► I've always enjoyed your reviews.

01:04:36 ◼   ► But now that I do know you,

01:04:39 ◼   ► and I've seen your stress build

01:04:43 ◼   ► over the last few years especially,

01:04:45 ◼   ► I can see both sides of it.

01:04:47 ◼   ► I can see both that,

01:04:49 ◼   ► man, I really wish you'd continue these,

01:04:51 ◼   ► 'cause I love reading them,

01:04:52 ◼   ► but also I see that it really does seem

01:04:54 ◼   ► to be making you miserable more and more each time.

01:04:56 ◼   ► And that every time, like for the last few years,

01:04:59 ◼   ► every time you say you would be writing one,

01:05:02 ◼   ► I'd be surprised that you were still doing it

01:05:04 ◼   ► because of how miserable it had made you the year before?

01:05:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, it's always been,

01:05:08 ◼   ► like it's not like it's gotten more miserable,

01:05:10 ◼   ► it's always been kind of miserable,

01:05:11 ◼   ► but it's gotta be balanced by like,

01:05:13 ◼   ► well, do you feel like you have something to say?

01:05:15 ◼   ► Do you feel like there's something,

01:05:16 ◼   ► and in the beginning it was totally balanced out,

01:05:18 ◼   ► but like, of course I have something to say,

01:05:19 ◼   ► this is a crazy new thing, like Unix and the Mac,

01:05:22 ◼   ► and then the operating system was this big hairy mess,

01:05:24 ◼   ► and you're like, boy, I've got things to say about this,

01:05:26 ◼   ► if this is gonna replace the Mac,

01:05:27 ◼   ► they got a lot of work to do, right?

01:05:29 ◼   ► And they more or less straighten things out,

01:05:31 ◼   ► and I have my things that I still complain about,

01:05:33 ◼   ► like the file system and the finder

01:05:35 ◼   ► and all the different UI things

01:05:37 ◼   ► and the doc and the graphical stuff.

01:05:38 ◼   ► But at a certain point you're like,

01:05:41 ◼   ► either this could go on forever

01:05:42 ◼   ► or I gotta feel like that I've said what I have to say

01:05:45 ◼   ► and it's time.

01:05:47 ◼   ► I'm not going to top myself at this point.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Maybe the writing will get better,

01:05:53 ◼   ► but it's just such a different world.

01:05:56 ◼   ► iOS is so dominant that didn't even exist when I started

01:05:59 ◼   ► and everything about OS X has to be written in terms of iOS.

01:06:02 ◼   ► So half of my recent reviews are kind of like half iOS reviews because OS X features and

01:06:09 ◼   ► its state in the entire industry is a reflection of wherever iOS is.

01:06:14 ◼   ► I don't know, I'm sure there will come a time when they release a new version of OS X that

01:06:21 ◼   ► is such a radically different thing that I'll be like, "Oh man, I could have written a review

01:06:26 ◼   ► of that that would have returned to form or whatever."

01:06:29 ◼   ► But I just feel like I need to expand my horizons.

01:06:33 ◼   ► What kind of writer...

01:06:34 ◼   ► This is something I put at the bottom.

01:06:35 ◼   ► I just added at the last minute at the bottom of this post to remind people that my full-time

01:06:39 ◼   ► job has never been as a technology writer.

01:06:42 ◼   ► My full-time job has never been a podcaster.

01:06:46 ◼   ► My full-time job is as a programmer.

01:06:47 ◼   ► All this stuff I do in the "free time" that I can carve out of my life with my family

01:06:52 ◼   ► and my real job.

01:06:53 ◼   ► And there's not a lot of that time.

01:06:55 ◼   ► As anyone who has children and a wife and a regular 9 to 5 job that they go to, see

01:07:02 ◼   ► how much time you can carve out for anything really, any kind of hobby type thing.

01:07:07 ◼   ► And if those hobby things end up either like not being fun, it's like, well then when is

01:07:12 ◼   ► your fun time?

01:07:13 ◼   ► It's like, well, after my regular job, I have my podcasting job.

01:07:16 ◼   ► And after my podcasting job, I have my freelance writing job.

01:07:19 ◼   ► And then I have my family responsibilities.

01:07:21 ◼   ► And it's like sometimes I just want to, you know, just relax and not have to do anything.

01:07:27 ◼   ► And it's a balance.

01:07:29 ◼   ► Like I mean I get paid for writing these things, so that's good.

01:07:32 ◼   ► And I enjoyed writing them and I enjoyed having written them.

01:07:34 ◼   ► And podcasting is what has come to replace a lot of my writing because it honestly, for

01:07:40 ◼   ► me because I'm such a terribly slow writer, takes less time to talk on a podcast.

01:07:45 ◼   ► And so the ratio of enjoyment to investment of time is much better for podcasting.

01:07:50 ◼   ► So I've been, as I noted the thing, I've been podcasting,

01:07:52 ◼   ► like I tried to do the math,

01:07:54 ◼   ► I didn't have time to do all the Google searching

01:07:55 ◼   ► of my calendar to see.

01:07:57 ◼   ► I'm doing like what, 1.5, two podcasts a week

01:08:00 ◼   ► for the past four or five years or something?

01:08:03 ◼   ► I'm practically, I'm a fairly prolific podcaster

01:08:07 ◼   ► at this point.

01:08:08 ◼   ► And it takes way less time than doing a single OS X review

01:08:12 ◼   ► because just, you know, we're just talking here, right?

01:08:14 ◼   ► And you just show up and you talk

01:08:16 ◼   ► and the whole ATP thing of not doing research,

01:08:18 ◼   ► it makes it sustainable and puts the balance way on the side of enjoyment for a podcast.

01:08:24 ◼   ► And that's by design. I mean, that's exactly why we do it this way. And I have a similar

01:08:32 ◼   ► battle as you in my mind of when do I write a blog post versus when do I save it for the

01:08:37 ◼   ► podcast. Well, the blog posts are a little bit easier, but the kind of blog posts are

01:08:41 ◼   ► the worst is the one where you've got to look up stuff. You're going to the Intel site,

01:08:43 ◼   ► you're looking at spec pages, you're looking at benchmarks, and then what if you have to

01:08:47 ◼   ► testing things yourself. It's so much easier to bang out like a three paragraph

01:08:50 ◼   ► like this thing I just wrote here. It's all opinion, a couple links to old stuff,

01:08:53 ◼   ► done and done. There's no facts, there's no like things that you need to verify

01:08:57 ◼   ► and then product reviews are the worst. You got to verify things about an

01:09:00 ◼   ► unreleased product from a company that doesn't isn't really particularly

01:09:03 ◼   ► communicative to you and and there's a deadline and it's just yeah so there's a

01:09:07 ◼   ► range within writing but I mean that I'm a slow writer no matter what I'm writing.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Like I'm amazed that I even got this thing done in ten minutes I've just sort

01:09:13 ◼   ► of closed my eyes and typed and like I would never have published that if I

01:09:17 ◼   ► We didn't have the podcast outline coming up and the shirts that we had to get up and

01:09:21 ◼   ► that actually motivated me to just hit the publish button but I would have sat on that

01:09:24 ◼   ► for four more days to try to get it right.

01:09:27 ◼   ► Yeah and I think a big part of what makes podcasting so much more attractive or more

01:09:34 ◼   ► efficient of time is, as we've talked about in a couple episodes ago, the expectations

01:09:40 ◼   ► of this medium are that it's a casual conversation.

01:09:43 ◼   ► And so like, I've spoken at a couple of conferences recently and I talked to a few people and

01:09:50 ◼   ► I mentioned to a few people how I'm always very, very nervous to give conference talks

01:09:54 ◼   ► and I don't really like doing it that often.

01:09:56 ◼   ► And if somebody has listened to this show, that surprises them because here I don't generally

01:10:02 ◼   ► sound nervous.

01:10:04 ◼   ► And my reason for the difference there is that even though a conference talk will be

01:10:08 ◼   ► be watched by a very small fraction of the number of people

01:10:12 ◼   ► who hear the show every week.

01:10:14 ◼   ► The expectations are extremely different from each of those.

01:10:20 ◼   ► So like the expectations of a conference talker

01:10:22 ◼   ► that it is this like totally pre-written, rehearsed,

01:10:27 ◼   ► polished, researched thing that is fully formed beforehand

01:10:31 ◼   ► and all the work is thought through and done

01:10:34 ◼   ► and then it's presented to you as a complete,

01:10:36 ◼   ► polished product.

01:10:38 ◼   ► And a blog post has many of the same expectations,

01:10:43 ◼   ► that it's something, this is like a more formal

01:10:46 ◼   ► kind of communication, a more like structured,

01:10:49 ◼   ► researched, more finalized, polished kind of thing

01:10:53 ◼   ► that has higher standards applied to it

01:10:56 ◼   ► if you have much of an audience at all or any audience.

01:10:59 ◼   ► And the kind of reviews that you did,

01:11:01 ◼   ► that seems like it would have an even higher,

01:11:04 ◼   ► an even higher expectation there, inherently,

01:11:07 ◼   ► of like the things you say better be correct,

01:11:10 ◼   ► you better be seeing all sides of it,

01:11:12 ◼   ► you better, this better be complete, correct,

01:11:14 ◼   ► and polished and well done,

01:11:16 ◼   ► and I can totally understand why that would

01:11:21 ◼   ► not only stress you out a lot,

01:11:22 ◼   ► but why that is less and less appealing over time

01:11:26 ◼   ► as you have these other outlets like podcasting

01:11:30 ◼   ► where the expectations are so different

01:11:34 ◼   ► and so much more kind of low-key or casual

01:11:37 ◼   ► so that it's less of a time commitment, it's less stress,

01:11:40 ◼   ► there's less pressure to have everything exactly right

01:11:43 ◼   ► that you ever say, I totally get that.

01:11:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, and like the value, the value,

01:11:49 ◼   ► like if you were to carve up an OS X review

01:11:50 ◼   ► and to say what parts are valuable to people,

01:11:52 ◼   ► it's shifted such that I think the parts

01:11:55 ◼   ► that are the hardest work have the least value.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Like, especially in the type of reviews that I did,

01:12:00 ◼   ► because it was like, oh, your reviews

01:12:01 ◼   ► are in-depth or technical, but I was never

01:12:03 ◼   ► like a Tom's Hardware or AnandTech or whatever,

01:12:05 ◼   ► where it's all about like benchmarks and specs and whatever.

01:12:07 ◼   ► And we love those reviews.

01:12:08 ◼   ► And I love that somebody does them.

01:12:10 ◼   ► And I love that that someone isn't me, right?

01:12:11 ◼   ► Because that is incredibly hard work.

01:12:13 ◼   ► And we crave that info, but we are few and nerdy, right?

01:12:17 ◼   ► And so like most people, the most,

01:12:19 ◼   ► then that's the hardest part of the reviews to do.

01:12:21 ◼   ► Like getting the particular details of tech or software

01:12:24 ◼   ► or compatibility or other things

01:12:26 ◼   ► that I'm honestly ill-equipped to do

01:12:28 ◼   ► because I don't have a computer lab here.

01:12:30 ◼   ► Like I only ever had the loaner hardware for one year's review, right?

01:12:34 ◼   ► I just have the computers that I have and I do what I can and that was fine in the early days of the web

01:12:39 ◼   ► When no one knew what that they were doing we're all just like banging on keyboards like monkeys trying to you know

01:12:43 ◼   ► Make something happen, right? But these days there are professional organizations that like

01:12:48 ◼   ► You know have people dedicated to you know lab test things and like or experience of doing battery tests

01:12:55 ◼   ► I like when I had to do the battery testing for Mavericks like that was miserable and there's no way in hell

01:12:59 ◼   ► I did a good job as an anti-tech review like I couldn't I don't you know

01:13:02 ◼   ► I don't have the experience those guys do it all the time. They have a system

01:13:05 ◼   ► They have their own custom applications

01:13:07 ◼   ► Like they can test 17 different computers against each other because they have all those computers

01:13:11 ◼   ► I couldn't do that because I don't have those computers and

01:13:13 ◼   ► That's the hardest work and I think it has the least value for people who are reading my reviews because people who are reading my

01:13:19 ◼   ► Reviews, it's like they want me to get that right and it needs to be there, but they're reading it for like, you know

01:13:26 ◼   ► the the sort of like criticism or insight or historical context or

01:13:31 ◼   ► Also like

01:13:34 ◼   ► technical background on things where it's like you know if you read my reviews because they're kind of an

01:13:38 ◼   ► aspirational thing where you're like

01:13:39 ◼   ► I want to be the type of nerd who understands everything this review

01:13:42 ◼   ► But I don't yet and so I can follow these links to do it and there'll be a section in you know five years ago

01:13:47 ◼   ► About Unix permissions, and I'm not that familiar with Unix

01:13:50 ◼   ► But I'm an old-time Mac user and I would like someone to explain to me what the hell you know

01:13:54 ◼   ► permissions are, nestled in the middle of a big giant OS X review. That's a lot of

01:13:59 ◼   ► the things that people say, "Hey, I remember reading your review and I remember the

01:14:02 ◼   ► section on whatever was the first time that I learned about whatever," and it's

01:14:04 ◼   ► like, I sneak those things into the review and those are the fun parts to

01:14:08 ◼   ► write about, just kind of like things that I already know well that are just

01:14:11 ◼   ► background information for the thing, or you know, talking about the UI

01:14:16 ◼   ► criticism and stuff like that. Those are easier to write and that's where most of

01:14:20 ◼   ► the value is, but that other stuff is so much harder to write and people seem to care less

01:14:25 ◼   ► and less about it.

01:14:26 ◼   ► So I was, you know, at like, I feel like the time of my style of review has come and gone

01:14:30 ◼   ► and now it has swung in opposite directions where you have the super technical review,

01:14:35 ◼   ► which I never was, and the super soft touchy feely review, which I could kind of do, but

01:14:39 ◼   ► it actually interests me a little bit less.

01:14:41 ◼   ► Like I wanted to do the format of my review and the way it's sort of structured and the

01:14:47 ◼   ► parts that it makes. It's kind of like a motley type thing where it's got all these parts

01:14:51 ◼   ► that you wouldn't think mixed together, but that's the mix that I wanted and that's what

01:14:54 ◼   ► I did and I did it and refined that form and I feel like that's it and I feel like that

01:14:58 ◼   ► form has less value to the reader these days. It's less important to the reader and it's

01:15:04 ◼   ► less interesting to me because I feel like I've done it, you know?

01:15:07 ◼   ► Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, you are more critical on your own work

01:15:12 ◼   ► then I would venture to say probably anybody else

01:15:15 ◼   ► in the audience is.

01:15:16 ◼   ► But I can see where you're coming from of like,

01:15:21 ◼   ► you've done this, it's done, time for something else.

01:15:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, and plus like reviewing a single product

01:15:27 ◼   ► for some, like even if I was like,

01:15:29 ◼   ► I'm a full-time professional product reviewer,

01:15:30 ◼   ► which I'm not and have never been again,

01:15:32 ◼   ► but even if I was, would you wanna keep reviewing

01:15:34 ◼   ► the same product year after year?

01:15:36 ◼   ► You wanna review different things, you wanna branch out,

01:15:37 ◼   ► you wanna do different styles of reviews.

01:15:38 ◼   ► Like if this was actually my full-time job,

01:15:40 ◼   ► I would have grown tired of this long ago.

01:15:42 ◼   ► Because it was only like a once yearly thing,

01:15:44 ◼   ► I could tolerate it for longer,

01:15:46 ◼   ► but it's like, you know, I want some variety too, right?

01:15:49 ◼   ► - I'm sad, Jon, I'm sad.

01:15:51 ◼   ► It wasn't that long ago that we were making videos

01:15:53 ◼   ► about getting our fingers ready to read your review.

01:15:57 ◼   ► And now it's a time long gone.

01:16:00 ◼   ► - Get your ears ready to hear me complain.

01:16:02 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:16:05 ◼   ► My ears are always ready for that, Jon.

01:16:06 ◼   ► - Amen.

01:16:07 ◼   ► - You just made an unintentional gaming reference.

01:16:12 ◼   ► Congratulations, Marco.

01:16:13 ◼   ► This is the new twist on the,

01:16:14 ◼   ► John makes a reference that nobody gets.

01:16:16 ◼   ► Now Marco is making a reference that nobody gets.

01:16:18 ◼   ► - Including me.

01:16:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, he said his ears are ready.

01:16:21 ◼   ► - I've got it. - Still nothing.

01:16:23 ◼   ► Yeah. - I know.

01:16:24 ◼   ► You're not gonna get it.

01:16:25 ◼   ► You don't get it, but you made it.

01:16:26 ◼   ► Someone in the chat room will.

01:16:27 ◼   ► - Is this like when Americans try to speak English

01:16:30 ◼   ► to non-English speakers

01:16:31 ◼   ► just by repeating themselves slowly and loudly?

01:16:33 ◼   ► - No, it's just another reference.

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01:17:15 ◼   ► 'cause we have one computer each,

01:17:17 ◼   ► and we have something like four terabytes in there.

01:17:20 ◼   ► It's a lot.

01:17:21 ◼   ► And they probably don't make money on us to be honest,

01:17:24 ◼   ► but they still offer it.

01:17:25 ◼   ► Five bucks a month, unlimited space per computer.

01:17:28 ◼   ► Really, really great.

01:17:29 ◼   ► Now, if you don't have online backup,

01:17:33 ◼   ► I really, I have to urge you to do it.

01:17:35 ◼   ► There are so many problems that this protects you from.

01:17:37 ◼   ► If you just have like a local time machine thing

01:17:40 ◼   ► or a clone that you occasionally remember to update,

01:17:43 ◼   ► first of all, online backup is continuous.

01:17:45 ◼   ► When things are changed,

01:17:46 ◼   ► they can be uploaded immediately if you want to.

01:17:49 ◼   ► They can really be quite significant gains there.

01:17:53 ◼   ► And there's a whole class of problems

01:17:55 ◼   ► that online backup protects you from.

01:17:57 ◼   ► So anything that happens that would affect electronics

01:18:01 ◼   ► in both your computer and in the time machine drive

01:18:04 ◼   ► plugged into it, say, or the clone plugged into it.

01:18:07 ◼   ► You are protected from all those classes.

01:18:08 ◼   ► So things like electric surges,

01:18:11 ◼   ► if you have a lightning strike or whatever.

01:18:13 ◼   ► Things like floods, if let's say you're in an apartment

01:18:15 ◼   ► and the person above you floods their bathroom

01:18:17 ◼   ► and it floods into your apartment

01:18:18 ◼   ► and drips water all over your computer

01:18:19 ◼   ► and everything breaks.

01:18:20 ◼   ► That will probably kill your external hard drive too.

01:18:23 ◼   ► Protect you from that.

01:18:24 ◼   ► Fires, theft, all sorts of possible problems

01:18:28 ◼   ► that online backup protects you from.

01:18:29 ◼   ► It's a nice fail safe.

01:18:31 ◼   ► You don't have to replace local backup with it.

01:18:34 ◼   ► In fact, I recommend that you don't.

01:18:36 ◼   ► But it is really nice to have as an ultimate fail safe

01:18:39 ◼   ► of like if everything, if all the equipment I have

01:18:43 ◼   ► gets harmed or stolen or somehow destroyed or hurt,

01:18:47 ◼   ► I always have that online backup as a fail safe.

01:18:50 ◼   ► Five bucks a month, you can't go wrong.

01:18:52 ◼   ► Now, as back to back play specifically,

01:18:56 ◼   ► they have over 100 petabytes of data backed up

01:18:58 ◼   ► in their data centers.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Restoring is easy, they have an online interface

01:19:03 ◼   ► you can do on the web, or they also have a mobile app

01:19:05 ◼   ► with iOS or Android, so you can actually go in

01:19:07 ◼   ► and you can restore one file with the mobile app

01:19:10 ◼   ► just to get it on your phone.

01:19:12 ◼   ► So if you're on vacation somewhere,

01:19:13 ◼   ► you're away from your computer, whatever,

01:19:14 ◼   ► you can get a file off your computer through Backblaze.

01:19:17 ◼   ► You can also restore, of course, whole directories,

01:19:19 ◼   ► whole drives, whatever you want.

01:19:21 ◼   ► Backblaze runs native on the Mac and on Yosemite,

01:19:24 ◼   ► and of course, they always update.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Even on launch day, they had a dark mode Yosemite icon.

01:19:30 ◼   ► Like if you run Yosemite in dark mode,

01:19:32 ◼   ► you probably know like half your menu things

01:19:34 ◼   ► didn't have icons, many of them probably still don't.

01:19:36 ◼   ► Backlaces are there on day one, they keep up to date.

01:19:38 ◼   ► You're never like upgrading to a new OS,

01:19:40 ◼   ► then oh, backlaces isn't ready yet,

01:19:41 ◼   ► it's gonna break or be weird.

01:19:43 ◼   ► Nope, they're always ready on day one.

01:19:44 ◼   ► It doesn't use like Java or anything else.

01:19:46 ◼   ► It's all native code, it runs natively at full speed.

01:19:51 ◼   ► It's not too hard on your CPU,

01:19:52 ◼   ► it's smarter about not being too hard on your bandwidth.

01:19:55 ◼   ► Really a very, very, very good service, very good app.

01:19:58 ◼   ► I can't say enough good things about Backblaze.

01:20:00 ◼   ► There's no gimmicks, there's no add-ons.

01:20:02 ◼   ► Five bucks a month, unlimited space.

01:20:04 ◼   ► It is as simple as that.

01:20:06 ◼   ► Get a risk-free, no credit card required trial,

01:20:10 ◼   ► which is a really nice thing.

01:20:11 ◼   ► No credit card required, a real free trial

01:20:14 ◼   ► at backblaze.com/atp.

01:20:17 ◼   ► Backblaze.com/atp, really go right now.

01:20:19 ◼   ► It is seriously very, very easy to get set up

01:20:21 ◼   ► and it is so nice to have the peace of mind

01:20:25 ◼   ► for just five bucks a month that all your stuff is backed up.

01:20:27 ◼   ► And it's really great.

01:20:29 ◼   ► So definitely check it out.

01:20:30 ◼   ► Backblaze.com/ATP.

01:20:32 ◼   ► Thanks a lot.

01:20:33 ◼   ► - One more thing on Backblaze.

01:20:35 ◼   ► Did you see the blog post they had this year

01:20:37 ◼   ► on their always excellent Backblaze blog

01:20:40 ◼   ► where they talk about their hard drive failures and stuff?

01:20:42 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I love those posts.

01:20:43 ◼   ► - So this one was about a crop of Seagate

01:20:46 ◼   ► three terabyte drives they bought

01:20:47 ◼   ► sometime around the Thailand tsunami time.

01:20:52 ◼   ► And it's just, the investigation of what went wrong

01:20:55 ◼   ► is one thing, but just listen to this.

01:20:57 ◼   ► They buy thousands of drives, first of all, all right?

01:20:59 ◼   ► And they say in their experience,

01:21:00 ◼   ► 80% of the drives they buy are still working

01:21:03 ◼   ► four years after they buy them.

01:21:04 ◼   ► But with this particular crop of drives,

01:21:07 ◼   ► just 10% of the drives were still working four years later.

01:21:10 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

01:21:11 ◼   ► - So like, they bought a bunch of these

01:21:12 ◼   ► and was like, yeah, they're like, okay.

01:21:14 ◼   ► And then all of a sudden, like around year two,

01:21:15 ◼   ► like just massive amounts of them failed at once.

01:21:17 ◼   ► It's like the nightmare scenario.

01:21:18 ◼   ► You know, if you buy a hard drive

01:21:19 ◼   ► and it goes bad before you think it does,

01:21:21 ◼   ► They bought thousands of hard drives.

01:21:23 ◼   ► Like 90% of them were dead in four years.

01:21:26 ◼   ► That is tough.

01:21:27 ◼   ► Anyway, it's a great blog post.

01:21:28 ◼   ► We'll put the link in the show notes.

01:21:30 ◼   ► - What else do we wanna talk about about WWDC?

01:21:34 ◼   ► - I was gonna say like to get back to the OS X review.

01:21:36 ◼   ► So how does this affect my decision?

01:21:37 ◼   ► It does affect it because it's like,

01:21:39 ◼   ► if I don't win the lottery, I'm not gonna get a press pass

01:21:44 ◼   ► 'cause last year I got the press pass through Ars Technica

01:21:45 ◼   ► who I was writing a review for.

01:21:46 ◼   ► I'm not doing that again this year.

01:21:49 ◼   ► And last year Apple wants to give me a press pass for ADB,

01:21:51 ◼   ► which I will gladly accept.

01:21:52 ◼   ► But anyway, I don't have a reason to be there

01:21:56 ◼   ► other than recreation and seeing people, right?

01:21:59 ◼   ► And so that changes my calculus

01:22:02 ◼   ► of whether I would go or not,

01:22:05 ◼   ► because there's no quote unquote work-related reason

01:22:07 ◼   ► for me to be there.

01:22:08 ◼   ► It would be entirely social and vacation.

01:22:10 ◼   ► Really, I want to go to the sessions.

01:22:11 ◼   ► I want to get that experience of being able to go there

01:22:14 ◼   ► and enjoy them without having homework, so to speak.

01:22:19 ◼   ► So that does factor into my decision of whether I will go out there for a shorter period of

01:22:24 ◼   ► time, for the whole time, or not at all if I don't happen to get a ticket.

01:22:28 ◼   ► Yeah, it's also, I think it will change everyone's calculus also that hotel prices

01:22:33 ◼   ► seem to have gone up this year noticeably.

01:22:35 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

01:22:36 ◼   ► Like everything seems to be more expensive because like the plane ticket I'm sure is

01:22:41 ◼   ► going to be terrible too because I didn't already buy my plane ticket because I'm

01:22:43 ◼   ► waiting to see if I get a lottery, right?

01:22:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:22:46 ◼   ► Usually for this thing, usually the hotel is the biggest cost, often matching or surpassing

01:22:53 ◼   ► the cost of the conference ticket itself.

01:22:55 ◼   ► So you're looking at like $2,000 for the hotel for the week and it's $1,600 for the ticket,

01:23:00 ◼   ► $3,600.

01:23:01 ◼   ► Then your plane ticket, you're probably looking at another $4,000 to $800 depending on, maybe

01:23:06 ◼   ► more if you're coming from internationally.

01:23:08 ◼   ► So you're looking at like $4,500 worth of base cost here plus expenses that you incur

01:23:14 ◼   ► while you're there, plus you gotta take vacation days.

01:23:17 ◼   ► So I can totally see why this would,

01:23:21 ◼   ► like as these costs go up.

01:23:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I'm not getting any of this money back.

01:23:24 ◼   ► Like ours would pay for my travel and my ticket

01:23:27 ◼   ► or in the case of a press pass,

01:23:28 ◼   ► you know, Apple would pay for the ticket.

01:23:29 ◼   ► Like there is no reimbursement.

01:23:31 ◼   ► There isn't, you know what I mean?

01:23:32 ◼   ► I'm willing to go out of pocket for it.

01:23:33 ◼   ► Like despite the fact that it's a really expensive fine,

01:23:35 ◼   ► but like it all factors in.

01:23:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I hope we can get you there

01:23:40 ◼   ► because I think it would be a shame if you were not there.

01:23:42 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:23:42 ◼   ► For people who choose not to go because it's very expensive,

01:23:47 ◼   ► I totally can understand that.

01:23:49 ◼   ► - All right, well, we'll see.

01:23:51 ◼   ► You know, something I've been thinking about

01:23:53 ◼   ► is what happens if John, you don't get a ticket,

01:23:58 ◼   ► if Marco, you don't get a ticket, and then I get a ticket?

01:24:01 ◼   ► Because we've already established earlier in this show

01:24:04 ◼   ► that I don't do well with missing out on things, apparently.

01:24:08 ◼   ► This is like a new discovery for me.

01:24:09 ◼   ► But I almost wonder if that would be not worse, but bad.

01:24:14 ◼   ► I mean, I would still absolutely go to the conference

01:24:17 ◼   ► and I would still try to learn as much as I can

01:24:20 ◼   ► because I enjoy it so much.

01:24:21 ◼   ► And I always feel like so amped up on the way home

01:24:24 ◼   ► about all the awesome new stuff I've learned

01:24:26 ◼   ► and about what's coming from Apple.

01:24:27 ◼   ► But I would really, to some degree,

01:24:31 ◼   ► I would be a little bit bummed

01:24:32 ◼   ► if I was the only one that got a ticket

01:24:36 ◼   ► because then I'd be missing out on all the fun things

01:24:39 ◼   ► that maybe you guys would be doing,

01:24:41 ◼   ► or just Marco or whatever.

01:24:42 ◼   ► And so-- - You know,

01:24:43 ◼   ► I wouldn't be doing any fun things, so.

01:24:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's true.

01:24:45 ◼   ► All the fun things Marco would be doing, good call.

01:24:47 ◼   ► - No, I mean, I think what would happen is that

01:24:49 ◼   ► if John doesn't get a ticket, I bet he's not going, right?

01:24:52 ◼   ► I mean, that's very, I bet that's what happens.

01:24:54 ◼   ► If I don't get a ticket, then I'll go

01:24:59 ◼   ► and I'll see you at night, and then I will walk by you

01:25:02 ◼   ► in the keynote line at 9.30 a.m.

01:25:05 ◼   ► - Yes, you will.

01:25:06 ◼   ► - When I have just woken up,

01:25:07 ◼   ► and I'll have a fresh cup of coffee,

01:25:09 ◼   ► which you don't like anyway.

01:25:10 ◼   ► Maybe I'll walk by with like a fresh, I don't know,

01:25:11 ◼   ► vodka or whatever you drink.

01:25:13 ◼   ► - 9.30?

01:25:14 ◼   ► - I don't know, it's something to make you feel jealous.

01:25:16 ◼   ► - How about an orange juice?

01:25:17 ◼   ► - That's what the alt conf people do.

01:25:19 ◼   ► The people who don't go to the conference,

01:25:20 ◼   ► they just stay out until 5 a.m., wake up drunk,

01:25:24 ◼   ► like yep, WWDC.

01:25:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, they can stream the keynote live at 10 a.m.

01:25:29 ◼   ► when they have just woken up for that purpose

01:25:31 ◼   ► and not having woken up at like 5.30 to go get online.

01:25:35 ◼   ► So that's what will happen.

01:25:36 ◼   ► You will do the homework for the rest of us

01:25:39 ◼   ► by going to the conference and going to the sessions.

01:25:42 ◼   ► And that's it.

01:25:43 ◼   ► I would feel bad if I get a ticket and you don't.

01:25:48 ◼   ► - Oh, and ditto.

01:25:50 ◼   ► I would feel guilty if I got a ticket and you didn't

01:25:52 ◼   ► because you could make a very reasonable argument

01:25:54 ◼   ► that you deserve it more, and I'm giving air quotes here.

01:25:56 ◼   ► But I mean, you could make a very valid argument

01:26:00 ◼   ► that you are actively developing iOS apps,

01:26:02 ◼   ► so you should have the ticket more than I should.

01:26:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I was talking to our friend

01:26:07 ◼   ► underscore David Smith about this.

01:26:09 ◼   ► How much more value do you get out of being there in person

01:26:13 ◼   ► than if you just watch the sessions

01:26:15 ◼   ► as they livestream and do that?

01:26:17 ◼   ► And so the biggest value is,

01:26:19 ◼   ► there's some socialization aspects of seeing people

01:26:22 ◼   ► in the conference center and the various

01:26:24 ◼   ► like spontaneous meetings you have there.

01:26:27 ◼   ► Academically the biggest value is probably the labs.

01:26:30 ◼   ► There are some sessions that are not livestreamed or videoed

01:26:33 ◼   ► like the lunchtime sessions are usually

01:26:35 ◼   ► not released on video.

01:26:36 ◼   ► And the videos also, the videos edit out

01:26:39 ◼   ► any periods of applause or laughter

01:26:42 ◼   ► and usually in the videos,

01:26:43 ◼   ► usually you can't see the presenter.

01:26:45 ◼   ► It only shows like it's just video of the slides

01:26:48 ◼   ► and any demos that take place.

01:26:50 ◼   ► So you do miss a lot of like the nuance of the presentation

01:26:54 ◼   ► but for the most part,

01:26:56 ◼   ► you're missing the socialization and the labs.

01:27:00 ◼   ► And I have had very good experiences in the labs so far.

01:27:04 ◼   ► However, this year I don't really have

01:27:07 ◼   ► any really big pressing questions I have

01:27:09 ◼   ► for the lab right now.

01:27:10 ◼   ► - Well, you wanna know how to make overcast

01:27:12 ◼   ► for the new Apple TV, right?

01:27:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:27:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, we'll see if that's a thing.

01:27:17 ◼   ► But yeah, in reality, if I get a ticket,

01:27:21 ◼   ► I'll be very happy.

01:27:22 ◼   ► I will use it as much as I possibly can use a ticket.

01:27:25 ◼   ► If I don't get a ticket, I will be bummed,

01:27:29 ◼   ► but I will still have a really good week.

01:27:33 ◼   ► But it is kind of inconvenient if you go with

01:27:37 ◼   ► a group of friends or coworkers every year.

01:27:40 ◼   ► It is really awkward that ever since demand started

01:27:45 ◼   ► really outstripping supply a couple years ago,

01:27:47 ◼   ► now you have these split crews where you have like,

01:27:51 ◼   ► oh well, only one of us got in.

01:27:53 ◼   ► Or everyone got in except that one guy

01:27:55 ◼   ► or something like that.

01:27:55 ◼   ► It certainly causes social pressures

01:27:59 ◼   ► and weird things, I think.

01:28:01 ◼   ► This is where it pays off to be antisocial

01:28:03 ◼   ► because us antisocial introverts are in our element

01:28:07 ◼   ► when we are not in a group.

01:28:08 ◼   ► Oh, I guess I have to splinter off on my own

01:28:11 ◼   ► and go through a series of sessions all by myself

01:28:13 ◼   ► and not talk to anybody.

01:28:14 ◼   ► - Oh. - That's paradise.

01:28:16 ◼   ► - Well, and you were great

01:28:17 ◼   ► 'cause you would always go to like the Mac only sessions

01:28:19 ◼   ► that nobody else went to.

01:28:21 ◼   ► - I know, like there's nobody in those rooms anymore.

01:28:23 ◼   ► It's just me and a bunch of lonely Mac developers.

01:28:26 ◼   ► Yeah, no, those are fun.

01:28:27 ◼   ► And you'd be like the not well populated ones are great.

01:28:31 ◼   ► you'd be sitting there and Craig Federico would come in

01:28:33 ◼   ► and sit two seats over to you, you know, like just,

01:28:35 ◼   ► hey, it's just five people here listening to this talk

01:28:38 ◼   ► about some Mac framework that no one cares about

01:28:40 ◼   ► because iOS is the new hotness, right?

01:28:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will, I think it's important to point out though

01:28:46 ◼   ► that for the last couple of years,

01:28:48 ◼   ► I feel like the three of us have spent a fair bit of time

01:28:52 ◼   ► critiquing and really complaining

01:28:54 ◼   ► about the WWDC ticket process.

01:28:56 ◼   ► And granted, we're not all bitter right now

01:28:59 ◼   ► because we don't know if we're getting tickets or not.

01:29:02 ◼   ► But I think this is probably as good a process

01:29:05 ◼   ► as they can really get for a situation

01:29:07 ◼   ► where, like Marco said, demand desperately

01:29:10 ◼   ► outweighs the supply.

01:29:13 ◼   ► - Well, there was the rumor about them using a bigger venue.

01:29:16 ◼   ► Do you remember that?

01:29:17 ◼   ► Like, oh, they're gonna use north and south and not west,

01:29:19 ◼   ► and therefore the supply will be slightly increased,

01:29:22 ◼   ► and that turns out not to be the case,

01:29:24 ◼   ► as far as we know, right?

01:29:25 ◼   ► - That's correct.

01:29:27 ◼   ► I mean, that would be good,

01:29:28 ◼   ► but that would potentially change the feeling of the show.

01:29:33 ◼   ► You know, I don't, I feel like I'm coming across

01:29:36 ◼   ► a little snobby and get off my lawn and you know what, oh well.

01:29:38 ◼   ► But you know, part of the magic of WWDC is

01:29:42 ◼   ► that it's the right amount of people, I think,

01:29:46 ◼   ► so that when you have, like when we go,

01:29:49 ◼   ► I know, I personally know maybe 50 people there,

01:29:53 ◼   ► generally speaking, and it's not unreasonable or rare

01:29:57 ◼   ► for me to see most of those 50 people in and out of the sessions throughout the day. And

01:30:01 ◼   ► if it's, if the conference was 10 times bigger just for argument's sake, then I may not see

01:30:06 ◼   ► those people. And just like you've been saying, Marco, you know, part of the beauty of WWDC

01:30:10 ◼   ► is those impromptu conversations that you have with friends that you do and don't know

01:30:14 ◼   ► in the halls in between sessions. And so, I don't know, I'm sure it would probably be

01:30:19 ◼   ► for the greater good if it was bigger, but it would definitely feel different if it was

01:30:23 ◼   ► bigger.

01:30:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, ultimately it's what you make of it.

01:30:28 ◼   ► And if you go, it's such a big community now

01:30:33 ◼   ► that anything that any of us say about it

01:30:37 ◼   ► is not representative of the whole.

01:30:39 ◼   ► There's so many people who are iOS developers.

01:30:42 ◼   ► There are so many people there who we don't know,

01:30:46 ◼   ► who don't know us, who aren't,

01:30:48 ◼   ► it isn't just one big community.

01:30:50 ◼   ► It's a bunch of small communities.

01:30:52 ◼   ► So if you go and seek out a certain group or your friends

01:30:57 ◼   ► or people you wanna talk to or have business discussions

01:31:01 ◼   ► with or whatever, you can find them.

01:31:03 ◼   ► If you're looking around randomly, like in front of Moscone,

01:31:07 ◼   ► you're looking for somebody in particular,

01:31:09 ◼   ► you're gonna have a hard time with it.

01:31:10 ◼   ► But that's true whether you get in or not,

01:31:12 ◼   ► that's true whether, you know,

01:31:12 ◼   ► how many people are there or not.

01:31:14 ◼   ► Really, I think it's just, you know,

01:31:15 ◼   ► it's what you make of it.

01:31:17 ◼   ► - Yeah. - That made no sense.

01:31:19 ◼   ► Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week,

01:31:21 ◼   ► Automatic, Squarespace, and Backblaze,

01:31:23 ◼   ► and we will see you next week.

01:31:25 ◼   ► (upbeat music)

01:31:28 ◼   ► Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin

01:31:33 ◼   ► 'Cause it was accidental (accidental)

01:31:35 ◼   ► Oh, it was accidental (accidental)

01:31:38 ◼   ► John didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him

01:31:43 ◼   ► 'Cause it was accidental (accidental)

01:31:46 ◼   ► Oh, it was accidental (accidental)

01:31:49 ◼   ► And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm

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01:31:58 ◼   ► @C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S

01:32:03 ◼   ► So that's Kasey Liss, M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M

01:32:07 ◼   ► Auntie Marco Armin

01:32:10 ◼   ► S-I-R-A-C-U-S-A Syracuse

01:32:15 ◼   ► It's accidental

01:32:18 ◼   ► They didn't mean to

01:32:20 ◼   ► Accidental

01:32:23 ◼   ► ♪ Tech podcast so long ♪

01:32:26 ◼   ► - So in the last week,