109: Bigger in the Pocket
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All right, is there anything we need to talk about other than the fact the show is gonna be all follow-up?
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The things the other things we have to talk about what is it like Apple TV and all that business?
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That'll keep because it's all just rumors. So we should just get
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If we just end up doing follow-up and stuff, that's fine
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Nintendo and I think that will keep - I think because also nothing is happening in there
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It's just an announcement, but we'll get to one of those
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Well, don't worry about is what I'm saying because all the other stuff that we think is news news isn't really news
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It's all just future news
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How does Nintendo basically get bought by the world and we don't talk about it this week get bought by the world
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I mean they're basically selling out like they're like they're admitting defeat
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The reason I said it'll keep is because it's a press release and an announcement
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It's not a thing a product, you know, we'll talk about I think it signifies something, you know
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Yeah, no, I know but I'm saying is it will keep if we talk about it next week
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Nothing new will have happened between this week and next week related to that story
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It's not as if.
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Anyway, we'll get to it.
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Our entire podcast this week should be discussing like this, like before we're actually going
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to say anything about a topic, just talking about what we're not going to say and what
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we're going to say.
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Doesn't matter.
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We go in order.
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We go from top to bottom.
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Follow forward.
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Follow casting.
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We have a lot of follow up today, and it starts with our tipster having a compatriot.
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This compatriot said, "Back to the hub."
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This was in the middle of an email.
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It's real and it's coming just not as soon as the tips are thought it'll probably come when the MacBook Pros are announced whenever that
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May be right when so the 15 inch retina MacBook Pro has not been updated yet for Broadwell and does not have the force to extract
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Pad yet presumably it will be updated sometime later this year
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Possibly the summer because that's because right now the only reason it wasn't dated yet as far as we know is
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Because the quad core Broadwell chips aren't actually out from Intel yet
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my question on this device is
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whether they're gonna actually just skip that entirely and go and wait for Skylake because if Skylake is on schedule, which it
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theoretically is
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Then Skylake quad core chips can't be that much further off and with the Skylake chipset
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Not only do you get faster CPU performance?
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But you also get you know new RAM types and bit and the big thing would be you get Thunderbolt 3
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And then that means you could drive a 5k external display if there was one
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So this is the curse of the pro suffix that machines that have a pro suffix eventually skip Intel chip generations
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Well, yeah, well what Intel messes up their entire consumer lineup for an entire year
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I mean it Intel always messes up and delays the Xeon that's no big deal
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And in fact, there are new Xeons for the Mac Pro and Apple's not using them. They're skipping a Xeon generation
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I don't know why but they are
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But yeah for the MacBook Pro, I would expect 15 inch to be this summer
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with either Broadwell or Skylake,
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the timing works out that if they can wait
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until probably late summer, I think they can get Skylake,
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and that would certainly be a better update.
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- But as you said, Intel is very often late-ish with their,
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it's all like, don't you think the Skylake
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will inevitably be a little bit later
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than we think it's going to be as well?
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- Well, the issue with Broadwell was the die shrink
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and getting the 14-nanometer process to have usable yields.
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But Skylake is a micro-architecture change,
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so it's not related to the yield issue.
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So Intel is claiming,
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and they're still claiming this even recently,
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they are claiming that even though Broadwell
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was extremely late,
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that Skylake will actually not be late,
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which means Skylake is shipping
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in the second half of this year.
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- Like Broadwell's actually intentionally going to be
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a really short generation.
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So the only question is,
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what does Apple and one of the other PC manufacturers
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do with that?
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Do they actually make Broadwell products in mass,
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or do they just make a handful like what Apple has done
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and wait until Skylake for their higher end stuff
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where it'll make more of a difference.
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And I think if Thunderbolt 3 is right around the corner,
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it would be unfortunate to have a 15 inch MacBook Pro update
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like months before you can get the Thunderbolt 3 chipsets.
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- You're assuming they'll have Thunderbolt 4 ports on them.
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- I think they would.
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This new tipster, the friend of the tipster says
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that the updated Pros will have more than one port.
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Now that does not by necessity mean it will have Thunderbolt, of course, but apparently
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there will be at least more than one John, and so you can finally relax and be happy.
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Well the context of that was it will have more than one USB-C port.
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The number of other ports was not specified.
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But I'm thinking Thunderbolt is not dead.
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I'm thinking Thunderbolt continues on much like FireWire 800 did for so long, because
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it continues on in the high-end products where, like, the typical things people would plug
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drive into a laptop for, you don't really need Thunderbolt for most people's needs.
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So it's fine if the low-end laptops don't have Thunderbolt anymore, that's not a huge
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deal, especially something like this UltraPortable. And keep in mind, the new Airs still do, you
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can still get an 11 and 13 inch Air or a 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro with Thunderbolt.
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So it still goes down to the 11 inch Air, I mean that's a pretty good coverage right
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there. So anyway, Thunderbolt is fine, it'll be here for a long time, so it is still worth
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especially considering the high-end stuff
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like the Mac Pro and everything,
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it is still worth it for Apple to invest in Thunderbolt,
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to support it fully, and to issue Thunderbolt 3
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when it comes out.
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- I don't remember seeing this email.
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I didn't put it in the follow-up,
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and people in the chat room were complaining about this,
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and I agree with the complaints.
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Where does this come from?
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Why does it get to be in the follow-up?
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Why do we believe this person?
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- I just thought it was interesting
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that somebody else apparently tried to double down
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on behalf of the original person.
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- I could have written this email.
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- I'm gonna start doing that.
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I'm gonna start writing stuff, writing plausible things
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into our email form and see if you two are suckered
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into putting it into the show notes.
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Maybe I've already done that and I'll reveal it in a year.
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- That is a long, long troll.
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But yeah, if that would make you happy, John,
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to ruin your own show, feel free.
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- The tipster's been in the house the whole time.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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All right, what are we moving on to?
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Oh, see, this was out of order.
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We should have started with this top one
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because the top one was a accidental neutral follow-up.
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We're talking about the Apple Watch
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and the potential for it to gain value
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as a sort of collectible piece of electronics like the,
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I tweeted about this and I almost tweeted the wrong thing
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and now I can only remember the wrong thing.
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It's not summer games, it's sports championship.
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Someone in the chat room will tell me.
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That's super rare NES cart
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that goes for a lot of money these days,
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that starts with the letter S,
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I think it's sports champions,
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or maybe it's the Nintendo World Champion card.
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Anyway, if you got an original Apple Watch,
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and especially as Marco pointed out,
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if they don't make any more of the original,
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not original Apple Watch, original Apple Watch Edition,
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and they don't make any more of these gold ones after that,
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which seems unlikely to me, but it could happen,
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then it could be worth more than you paid for it
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in the somewhat distant future, purely based on its rarity.
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Nintendo World Championships.
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the chat room says, is that rare car.
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So anyway, one of the things I threw out there
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related to that is say, you know,
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very expensive sports cars that they only make a few of.
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Like if you had bought the McLaren F1,
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I said it was really expensive,
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but now it goes for a lot more
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than you would have paid for it.
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And I threw out some numbers.
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I think I threw out like 250 grand
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and now they're like in the millions or something.
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And I was way off.
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I think I was going for the 250 or maybe 232
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because I was thinking of the max speed
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of the McLaren F1 from back in the day.
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But TBI Rally Sport on Twitter gave us the correct numbers.
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McLaren F1 was originally $960,000, so not cheap,
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because that was in, what, 1990-something dollars?
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And they currently go for around $10 million now.
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And I recently saw a white one, the only white McLaren
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F1 ever made, going for $14 million.
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So if you had invested a million dollars in a McLaren F1
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in the '90s, you would have got a 10x return on your investment
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if it didn't kill you.
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I'm not sure I would take that deal.
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Like buy a white car for 10 years and then sell it?
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I don't know.
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- Well, it was the only white one.
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It's all about rarity.
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- Not the pony.
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- I think there's a reason they only made one.
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- I know you're trying to mess with me,
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but there is a reason they only made one.
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It's that it looks terrible.
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- It doesn't look that bad.
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I mean, it is generally a nice looking car.
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It's a couple of awkward things about it.
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Like the rear overhang is really small,
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so it kind of looks clipped in that way.
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But yeah, like I said, you get the car in white.
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If it's a really nice shape, it could still look good.
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McLaren F1 almost pulls it off.
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Almost. I don't know, it does not look great in my personal estimation and according to Marco, I like everything that is white ever.
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Well, you just happened to have bought all of your cars in white. And each time it just kind of happened to you.
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No, the only time, there are two times I've bought cars on my own. And one time it was deliberate, one time it was not. Everything else, it was a hand-me-down.
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- And Marco, you had something from Ed Ryan.
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- Yes, last week we talked about Bluetooth headphones.
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And we were talking in the context of Apple eliminating
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the headphone jack from their stuff eventually
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and switching over to requiring Bluetooth headphones
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for everything and what that would mean.
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My main complaints about it were that of not only complexity
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but also battery life.
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Then you have this other thing that has to be charged
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and everything.
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We got a lot of good feedback on this.
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Some of it came from the hearing aid world,
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because they have a similar set of problems
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with hearing aids of,
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you wanna make something as small as possible
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that can pump sound into your ears,
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but that also has good battery life.
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And hearing aids manage pretty impressive battery life
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these days, especially the high-end ones,
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but there are, from what I understand,
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some pretty substantial costs associated with that.
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I don't know much more about it than that,
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but it seems like that might be an indicator
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of what's possible in the, not necessarily close future,
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but what is possible with the cutting edge battery technology
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and miniaturization of headphone type things.
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But a number of other issues were pointed out
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specifically about Bluetooth headphones.
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The biggest one, which I had totally forgotten about,
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A lot of Bluetooth headphones,
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and it seems like this might differ per model
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or maybe per application or something.
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This seems like it's inconsistent.
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And I've seen this myself where it's better
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or worse with some.
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latency is a big problem when you're watching videos,
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or of course anything that requires really up-to-date sound
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to match what's on screen, there to be no latency
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or, you know, inaudibly short latency.
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I have found with all the Bluetooth headphones I've tried,
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when I did, I did like a little roundup with it,
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with I think four or five of them,
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and I found the latency was noticeably bad
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on all of them enough that like playing a video
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on an iPhone, I didn't try it on a Mac,
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but playing a video from an iPhone
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was just unbearably annoying,
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because the latency was extremely noticeable.
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So, you know, it was out of sync,
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the audio was out of sync with the video.
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- I would just like to put it on record
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that I use really cheap, really crappy Bluetooth headphones
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with my Mac for nine hours a day, five days a week,
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and I have never noticed any latency issues.
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And these are not fancy headphones.
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They are made by a brand called Arctic,
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which I've never heard of before.
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I've never bought any of their other products.
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And either one of two things is true.
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Either the latency on these just happens to be wonderful
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in short, or I'm just not picky enough to notice.
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And if it's the latter, then let this be a lesson, kids,
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that being fussy about headphones and coffee
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and about everything else under the sun
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maybe isn't the best thing in the world.
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Anyway, carry on, Marco.
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- Anyway, and by the way, as I said last week,
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I use Bluetooth headphones when I'm walking.
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I listen to podcasts on them.
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They're fantastic, and in that context,
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way better than wired headphones. I love them. I use the Sennheiser PX… I think it's
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the 120BT. I'll link to it in the show notes. It's like $100 and they're great. They
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sound like complete garbage for music. And by the way, a lot of people are saying Bluetooth
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audio because it uses lossy compression codecs, there's a lot of arguments that Bluetooth
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headphones sound bad because they're Bluetooth. In the ones I've tested, most of them offer
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the ability to plug in a cable. So I've tested them in both modes, cable mode direct and
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Bluetooth mode, and they sound equally bad in both modes. So the reason they sound bad
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is not because they're Bluetooth necessarily, it's because they're bad headphones. And it
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is possible to make decent sounding Bluetooth headphones. Now, a lot of people say, "Oh,
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these new headphones support aptX, this new codec, the aptX, I don't know if that's pronounced
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aptX, that's how I say it." The problem is that iPhones don't support aptX. So I see
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these like Amazon reviews of these headphones that say these new headphones support aptX
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and it plays it sounds great for my iPhone is way better than the previous headphones.
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Well they might sound better but it's not because of the aptX codec because if you're
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using them on an iPhone aptX is not being used.
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All that being said we got a very good email from Josh Day Lioncourt @lioncourt on Twitter
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and Josh says one of the use case that wasn't mentioned in your discussion but perhaps should
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have been is that of voiceover users.
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I'm a writer and developer.
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I spend virtually all day on my Macbook, iPad, and iPhone
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plugged into headphones.
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Bluetooth not only comes with the battery life issue
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which is compounded by constant use by voiceover users,
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but also in my experience, latency.
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It's tough enough that a voiceover user
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must listen to everything.
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Even the slightest amount of latency in audio
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can lead to frustration and disruption of productivity.
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I'd imagine this is very analogous
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to when touch UI suffers from lag.
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So yeah, that I could definitely see
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what that would be a problem.
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- All right, so we should at least briefly touch
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on the Apple watch edition pricing.
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Um, there's been a lot of chatter that.
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Tim Cook was perhaps embarrassed about the price of the watch.
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It didn't show up on any slides and, uh, he kind of just said, Oh yeah.
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And it's a $10,000.
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now there will be limited quantities of the Apple watch edition.
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It is priced from $10,000 and it will be available in select retail stores.
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The Apple Watch Edition is the most beautiful expression of the Apple Watch.
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So there's an article in the show notes that I did not read, and I'm assuming, John, you put it here?
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I did. I don't remember what's in this article. I didn't open it in one of my tabs, I'm sorry,
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but maybe you did and you lost it. I paid, no, I opened up the tabs right before the
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show and closed them all after the show, as you well know.
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Okay, I remember hearing about this before I saw the presentation because I didn't watch it live, right?
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And so I knew to pay attention
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during sort of that section of the thing to see if these articles that I had heard about were on the nose and
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There's two things I noted about Tim Cook and the Apple watch edition the pricing thing and the presentation one
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He made a comment earlier in the presentation
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I believe when they're doing the health section about his heart rate
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You know sort of doing the jokey kind of thing that I guess I'm not gonna say non-professional but like
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Less experienced public speakers or maybe yeah
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I think so like a less experienced public speakers will add something to their presentation that
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acknowledges the fact that they're nervous to sort of you know cut the tension to
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Get the audience on their side and to relax them and to just sort of go forward together
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So we don't have to so it's not awkward, right?
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Tim Cook did that in this presentation when he was showing the heart rate thing. It's like you can even check
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Your heart rate and this is clearly not mine at this point in time
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This is not Tim Cook's first presentation
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We assume that there's some baseline level of nervousness that everyone feels when they're doing a big important presentation
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We assume they're all nervous about things
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but if he was gonna be nervous about something you would think he would be nervous about the revealing of the Apple watch and
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Not this presentation. So what I was thinking about is alright, what is it about this presentation?
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which really is just going over stuff we already knew and adding detail to the
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Apple Watch. What is he nervous about in this one? And that ties into when he got
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to the Apple Watch Edition and he has to say the Apple Watch Edition starts at
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$10,000 simply available and select blah blah blah blah blah and he just like
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ate those words like he didn't look down at his shoes and mumble them but he
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might as well have like he was not he did not muster up a bunch of fake
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enthusiasm saying the Apple audition is really great it's available starting at
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$10,000 and it was low key.
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There was no slide, there wasn't a lot of time given to it,
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he didn't have a lot of enthusiasm for the announcement.
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Is that what he was talking about with his heart right now?
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I'm sure he's nervous when he does all his presentations,
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maybe it's not a natural thing for him,
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maybe they're not connected,
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but whether they're connected or not,
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the way the pricing of the Apple Watch Edition
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was dealt with in that presentation,
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at the very least shows that Apple thinks
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that the audience it was communicating to in that keynote
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is not really the same audience
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that's going to buy this watch.
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The information has to get out there.
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It has to be in the press and so on and so forth.
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But it's a different set of people.
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It's not the tech press that was invited to this thing.
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Although I'm sure they invited all the fashion people
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and everything as well.
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It's just not, I put it in the things,
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was Tim Cook embarrassed about the 10K watch?
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I don't know if he was embarrassed,
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But he definitely didn't seem as excited about
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the Apple Watch Edition at its price
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as he was about other things.
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And I guess what you could do is make a little clip
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and say, let's show him saying
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the Apple Watch starts at $349.
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Does he say that with more or less enthusiasm?
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Maybe he always says pricing in a boring way
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and that's all he had to say about the edition.
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I don't know.
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But to me, it seemed like this product
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does not sit comfortably in the same
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sort of keynote presentation style
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that we're accustomed to from Apple.
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And that it, as in so many other things,
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that it needs some other venue.
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And the same way that it's gonna need
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some other venue for sales, like select stores,
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a special room they go to,
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a different kind of treatment
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from the people selling you the watch,
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like the different box that it comes in.
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Like everything about it is different
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from other Apple products.
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And I don't know, that's, did you guys notice that
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when you were watching this presentation?
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'cause it really stood out to me.
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Maybe I was primed to look for it, I guess, but.
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- I noticed it, but I wouldn't say it was loud,
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so to speak, and it's a poor choice of words
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in this context, but it wasn't the sort of thing
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that knocked me off my chair.
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But I did notice he seemed to kind of brush by it quickly.
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I don't know, Marco, what did you think?
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- Yeah, basically just that, that it very clearly,
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it very clearly that he rushed through it.
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It was not, I don't think it was necessarily nervousness.
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I don't think it was necessarily him not being excited about it.
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That's just his style of speaking.
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I think he really just rushed through it and that part was intentional, that they did not
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want to really spend a lot of time on that.
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You could tell, there was a good discussion about this on the talk show last week with
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Goober and Matthew Panzareno.
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They kind of think that maybe there's some debate inside the company about whether this
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should even exist.
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it's uncharted territory for the company. I think in order to try to minimize how much
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this would alienate their existing customer base or most of their customer base that is
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not buying this thing and that can't or at least won't buy it, I think in order to
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just minimize the alienation there and minimize the appearance of being this new snobby company,
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I think that's why they didn't give a lot of time. So I don't think it necessarily
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reflects what Tim thinks about it or whether Tim was nervous about it.
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I think it's really just about just making sure that it wasn't distracting from the
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other parts of the presentation, like the other prices being pretty reasonable.
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That's what he could possibly, in theory, be nervous about, like the idea that the entire
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conversation about this product that he's clearly very excited about could get derailed
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talking about this one low-volume version of this product.
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And that ties into the other sort of vague rumor story narrative, the idea that Johnny
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I really likes expensive watches, Mark Neusen really likes expensive watches, and as sort
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of a perk to the two of them, or a perk to Johnny essentially, saying "stay with Apple,
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make this watch for us, we'll let you make a ridiculously expensive one because we know
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you really like that."
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And it may seem silly that personal considerations like that, if they're even true, like again
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we don't know this is all just rumors right but I'm imagining for a second
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that this was the case that Johnny I've really liked expensive watches the idea
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that the world's biggest company would do something like have a special low
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volume version of its product to satisfy the person designing the product seems
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crazy and weird just because it seems like are the whims of this one person
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dictating entire product line by Apple but it's not weird like when Steve Jobs
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was alive, the whims of an even more mercurial, as they used to say back in the 80s person,
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was dictating the whims of the world's biggest company. So that's the way people work, that's
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the way people deal with each other. I don't think it's out of the question that, you know,
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I haven't listened to that episode of the talk show yet, but like, that there could be an internal
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debate about what kind of company does Apple want to be, how is this product different from a $10,000
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Mac Pro, well it's different these ways and that way, you know, like we talked about all
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these things before, right?
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I can imagine that same conversation going on inside the company and I can also imagine
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ending up in the current situation where they make a $10,000 gold watch because one faction
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of the company really likes $10,000 gold watches.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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I mean, Johnny is worth keeping around, so if anyone could pull it off, it'd be him,
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but it's weird.
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I mean, I don't think it's like just to satisfy him but like, you know, this it's a if there is a multiple factions and inside the company
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among the decision-makers
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It's reasonable to think that
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That you know the side that one could include a very important person like Johnny I've was into that
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Maybe that's what it took to get Mark Newsom to come to the company and Johnny really wanted Mark to come like anyway
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You can make up all sorts of stories about this
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But like it is I think it's notable in that I can't remember the last time
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unless unless a product is something like a
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compromise or
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Sort of a boring product or not interesting thing
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Then they gloss over it or maybe it doesn't even make it to the keynote like the new Mac Pro
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That wasn't really new and stuff like that. Yeah that expect right and everything's not but this is like
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the top of the top of the line fanciest
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Version of the product that Apple is just super excited about right and so it's weird for this one to be like
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Oh, and by the way, this is the watch edition is for rich people. It's $10,000. Never mind, right?
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- Right, that was weird.
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- I mean, I think it just shows how much the edition
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really is, I think, an experiment from Apple.
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You know, I don't think when they initially
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conceive the watch that they're like,
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all right, we're gonna have three versions,
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you know, cheap, normal, and gold.
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Like, I don't think it went like that.
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- Well, I think, I mean, as Monk Benton the chapter
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was pointing out, like, when we were talking
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about the watch, if they decide to make a watch,
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they have to have the conversation about
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how is this different than everything else we made?
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How do our products change once we ask people to wear them?
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And no, putting an iPod shuffler on your neck doesn't count, right?
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How does it change?
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We have to address it differently.
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And if you're going to make a watch and we're not going to sell $10 plastic watches, we're
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going to sell mid-range watches, and like I said, watches go up to this high end, why
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would we not make a watch like that?
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And then it gets into like, "Well, it's the same as the other watch, you're just making
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out of fancy materials."
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Like, yes, that's something people do with watches.
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because people want gold there. Why do they want gold things? Why is the gold?
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Why do we get to do a 500% markup? It's like it's just it's just the way it
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works. Yeah and that's the thing like you know as it like I wrote in my blog post
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right before the event thinking that it would be cheaper but oh well I wrote in
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that that you know the point of of Apple watch is to get people to wear it first
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and then do all this other stuff like it's if you can't get people to wear it
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then all the other work you do is pointless and there are certain people
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who the only kind of watch they're gonna be seen wearing
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is something that's expensive and made of gold, you know?
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And that's for various reasons that are, you know,
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we can disagree with them or not think the same way,
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but people have those reasons.
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So if they want people like celebrities
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and really rich people who like fancy jewelry,
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like if they want them to wear an Apple Watch at all,
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they have to make a gold one, you know?
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Like there's, and certainly there's some of it, you know,
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being this, you know, this very profitable fashion world
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kind of thing and being prestigious,
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but I think most of it is just the goal of,
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we need to make something that nobody can look at and say,
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well, that's too dorky to wear.
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That's not good enough for me to wear.
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- And if Apple's gonna do this, which they clearly are,
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I think they made the right call.
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I think this is not a boondoggle for Johnny Ive.
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I think more or less he was right,
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but I think the company has to now become comfortable
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with the idea that this is the type of thing they sell.
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you wouldn't see Rolex mumbling over the pricing
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of a fancy watch, right?
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- No, they just don't tell you.
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- Yeah, well, the horse power is adequate, right?
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Either way, however you handle it,
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either you don't mention the price,
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if you have to ask, you can't afford it,
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like whatever, Apple needs to figure out
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how do you present products like this,
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because they are making a product like this,
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and it's probably a good call for them
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to make a product like this,
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they just have to figure out as a company
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how do you present it,
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because I think you have to present it differently
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than the new MacBook,
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or a traditional technology product.
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- And speaking of the addition,
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there was an omission during the keynote,
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not an awkward flyby, but a straight up omission.
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And that was the video about gold.
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We saw a video about aluminum.
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We saw a video about steel,
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but we didn't see a video about gold.
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But apparently such a video exists.
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They just didn't play it during the keynote.
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So that strikes me as slightly odd,
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Although since most of the audience of that presentation is,
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both in person and in general,
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is probably not going to be buying an edition,
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it's not terribly remarkable to me
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that they didn't show that video during the presentation,
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but I don't know.
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- Can you imagine if they did,
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so if they did show that video,
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it could've just been cut for time or whatever,
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but imagine they did show it.
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I can imagine, given the population of that room,
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despite the fact that I'm sure Apple invited people
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from Vogue and all these other fashion magazines
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that I don't know the names of,
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I'm sure they were in the audience too,
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But we know that a lot of the audience are technology,
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you know, media, right?
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I can imagine a little bit of weird, uncomfortable
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tittering from the audience when this gold thing is playing.
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'Cause for the same reason that the nerd tech press
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is kind of like totally willing to see like
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CNC milling machines grinding weight aluminum
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and ooh and aah-ing over asymmetrical fan blades
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and stuff like that, that's what the tech press likes.
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Once you start showing gold, I think they feel like
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they're going out of their comfort zone.
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and you know, with Johnny Ive talking in flowery terms
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about the gold they have and how it's a beautiful metal
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and blah, blah, blah.
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Like it feels uncomfortable because you're like,
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this is not engineering, this is not technology,
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this is merely a fashion, right?
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And it just, I don't think it,
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I think it would have been fine probably,
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but I can imagine if I was there in person,
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you wouldn't have heard it on the slides,
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but if you were there in person,
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a couple of weird tisk tisks,
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or at the very least the media deciding
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that that's the time they're gonna check their Twitter,
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right, when the gold video comes up?
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- No, I just think, I think it's very simple.
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I think it's that they, you know,
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they wanted to not spend a lot of time on the gold pricing,
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and so they just blew right by the whole gold section
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of the presentation.
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I don't think it's any more complicated than that.
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It was, it wasn't worth the time.
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They didn't want people to be focused on that.
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They wanted people to be focused on the other stuff.
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- I know, but I think that's a problem for the company,
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like that they have to figure out,
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they have to get comfortable themselves and decide,
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I mean, we just have one data point now, so you don't know,
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but they have to figure out how do we deal with this?
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How do we deal with the vast gulf
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between these product lines?
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'Cause they make future products like this,
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like the Apple, you know, Monocle, the Apple Ring,
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like whatever the heck they're gonna do
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with wearable tech in the future,
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they have to figure it out.
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They have to just sort of come up with a policy
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and then until it comes routine,
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and we sort of expect that they either are,
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aren't going to talk about the super expensive one,
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or when they do it, they're gonna do it in this way,
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or they are, aren't gonna mention the price
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I mean, first of all, you don't have to get them framed.
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That's the biggest thing for me is like,
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it is its own frame.
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You know, it's a piece of glass printed edge to edge
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so you can put a picture hanger into it.
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But the glass itself is very, very thin,
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which is great because then it's light.
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It is, in my opinion, it is the most practical way
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I have six of them within view right now
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- So we have approximately six hours of MacBook follow-up.
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- Oh my God.
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- I don't think it's that bad.
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We talked about most of these things,
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just filling in little gaps.
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'Cause we spent a long time last show
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talking about the new MacBook's limitations
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and pros and cons and blah, blah, blah.
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And here are the things that we didn't get to or that have had new bits of information
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The first one is about the flash in the new MacBook.
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Apparently it's really, really fast, which is nice.
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I linked to the bare feet benchmarking showing that if you get the new MacBook, the flash
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storage is actually faster than the big black tube Mac Pro's flash storage, which is a hell
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of a bargain when you consider the price of the big Mac Pro.
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Yeah, I believe, I think they made PCI Express faster on this chipset.
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I think that's one of the sources of this gain.
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Yeah, and maybe different flash chips or whatever.
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Technology marches on, flash is a relatively young technology, but we're in a weird situation
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now where actually if you get this pretty much bottom of the line, close to bottom of
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the line Apple notebook, you will get really fast flash storage, which is nice and hopefully
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bodes well for future big tube Mac Pros and other products.
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Yeah, I would expect as everything gets the updated chipsets, you know over the over the coming year
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I would expect them to all have the same the same things basically no word yet on trim support or whether we need that anymore
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Whether it's handled by the firmware or some cooperation with the OS like people are always asking about that
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But I got the what is it Samsung 850 Pro SSD. I have not done the crazy hack to enable trim support
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I'm just gonna say like, you know, you just handle it
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I know there's nothing
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magical that the firmware and the thing can do to make up for the fact that the OS is not telling the hardware which blocks
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are unused but I
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Don't know. I mean I'm trying to keep a reasonable amount of space free on it
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I haven't probably filled all the space with real or deleted files yet if the performance drops off a cliff on my SSD
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I'll be sure to let you guys know but so far
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I'm doing okay, and I just hope I I don't I don't want to have to think about that
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And I also don't want to be in any unsupported configurations
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but I know a lot of people do do the hacks to enable trim support and they seem okay with it too, so
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You know do whatever you got to do, but so far so good, and I'm just happy to see storage getting faster
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Because you know although SSD once you go all SSD, then you're just like okay, how much faster can flash go?
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Why is it so slow?
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Maybe it's just me. Yeah, just you all right. You know if you got a more modern computer
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You'd have faster buses and everything and I know I was thinking about that the other day
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it's like boy seven years we're seven year old I'm using a seven year old computer can I make it to using a
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Ten year old computer like I mean at this point you might as well try if you're this close
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Now I'm gonna buy the first one that comes that you know fulfills my requirements. It never will. Yeah good
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Don't hold your breath. So you'll definitely reach ten years as long as this still works
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I was the current Mac Pro. I would have gotten it if it was like half the price
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Here's a question if something critical died on your current one today. What would you buy to replace it?
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I would probably be forced to get the iMac that you have that must be excruciating for you
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It would I would not like it because it would be like I know this is just a
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Stepping stone machine and you know the graphics the whole graphics performance and the overheating and whatever like I love the screen and everything
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But I'd be just like a waystation on my way to
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Getting something better later. I don't know. I'm hanging there. It's hanging in there by the way, whatever it's worth a graphics performance
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I don't I don't know how it compares by gaming standards, but I have not had any heating problems
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Yeah, you're not playing games on this is all just about game benchmarks. That's fair
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But I mean like when Tuf was playing I mean, I think we were only playing portal 2
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So it wasn't really stressing it that much but it was like a seven year old game
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I think yeah
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But when when playing portal 2 it the fan did spin up to what I would what I would consider medium speed
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And it sustained at that level and it was never really a problem. It was never obnoxiously loud
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It was audible, but it was not obnoxiously loud nor did it ever overheat or seem to like throttle itself in any noticeable way
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Yeah, I don't know if you've noticed it in a game like that because that that GP you would just eat portal to for lunch
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like you're just it's I don't think it's a problem, but I
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Want I want that little tube. I want it to be quiet like the little tube
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I want it to be powerful like the tube
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I just wanted to not cost a whole jillion dollars and I could give up one of the GPUs probably
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And that's the problem that I don't think they will ever ship that machine. I know I know well anyway
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I'm I'm just waiting patiently to see
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To see what I can see I mean who knows like maybe the next 5k. I'm like
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They resolve some of the they put a different GPU in there or pick a different vendor like they're always changing something
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So I'm you know I'm in the meantime my SSD is really extended the life of this computer
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Feels much snappier than it used to so I'm okay for now as long as nothing breaks
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What's the next one the next one is about we've talked about the
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Keyboard having a symmetrical rectangular outline because Johnny I've doesn't want to bump out the keys
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Bump out the the outline for the arrow keys to have an inverted T with full-size keys in there
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We have follow-up on this. Yeah
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Well, you know
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I talked about it on the show and I said,
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"But look at the keyboard, you notice something on there
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that is a step in the right direction
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for Johnny Ive accepting asymmetry."
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And I acknowledge that there's always
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asymmetrical stuff on keyboards,
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but in this model in particular,
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because the trackpad is jammed right up against the space bar
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and because the left edge of the space bar
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is aligned with the left edge of the trackpad,
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it really emphasized the fact that the track,
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that the space bar is not centered on this keyboard.
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And then I had to deal with, you know,
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a week and a half of people telling me
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the space bar is never centered on the keyboards.
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Yes, I know it's never centered,
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but because there's always like a buffer,
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there had been historically a buffer
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between the track pad and the space bar.
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It wasn't just in your face so much,
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but on this particular model,
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because they're just touched right up against each other
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and because the left edges are aligned,
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it really emphasizes the fact
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that the right edge is not aligned.
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And someone tweeted at me, who is this?
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Shane Bonham tweeted,
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"How hard do you think it was to talk Johnny Ive out of this
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and he shows a picture that he mocked up of a new MacBook with a perfectly aligned spacebar
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that is exactly the width of the trackpad. And how did he do this? By making half-size
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left and right arrow keys. So you got half-size up and down arrow keys and then flanking it half-size
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left and right arrow keys. And it does surprisingly fit and it's hideous and I would hate it. And I
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hope Jonny I've never seized that because it's going to give him ideas. Why do you think this is
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- This is so bad, I think it looks good.
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- I hate trying to, I use the inverted T arrow keys
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with three fingers, middle finger is up down,
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pointer finger is left, ring finger is right.
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- I want full-size keys for those things to go on.
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I hate having up and down be the half-size keys
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'cause I find myself accidentally hitting one or the other
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or like trying to grope around to find the right key.
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Making the left and right also half-size
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is just squishing my three fingers together
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until all three of them feel like they're trying
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to press the same key cap on different,
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press the lower left corner of the key cap,
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press the right, no, full-size keys.
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And again, on a tiny laptop like this,
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I kind of understand, whatever.
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I'm just talking about like the 15 inch,
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back when they had the 17 inch,
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the fact that they had a little tiny keyboard in there
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was ridiculous.
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Anyway, I would not like these arrow keys.
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I don't like laptop keyboards at all.
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But boy, if he sees this, man,
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look how beautiful it is with the space bar,
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exactly the same width as the track pad.
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- You don't even buy laptops.
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I know, I don't think Johnny Ive used laptops.
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I think he just likes how the keyboards look.
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It's a perfectly rectangular outline for the laptop.
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- I think going back for a second,
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I think if anything expresses the weirdness of Johnny Ive,
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I think it's the addition watch with the white sport band.
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- Yeah, I mean, it doesn't,
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it's how he dresses looks a lot like that watch.
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Like when he dresses up,
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I don't know anything about fashion again,
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but sort of light colored pants
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and just think of like a Bentley
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with the white leather interior.
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I don't know if that's the kind of Bentley he has.
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Anyway, no accounting for taste as they say.
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- Tell us about Marcus Brownlee and his prediction.
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- Yeah, a lot of people pointed this out.
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We've talked about MKBHD before, that's his Twitter handle.
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Marcus Brownlee, apparently a very popular YouTube person
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that we don't know about
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because we are all old, including you.
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- That makes me feel so bad.
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The one time when he had the supposedly Sapphire cover glass, and we were like, "This guy on
00:39:54
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YouTube," and none of us knew who he was.
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Meanwhile, he's like frickin' massive in YouTube.
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He was invited to the Apple event.
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He was like, he has an audience bigger than pretty much everybody we know in this space
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Like, he is like the biggest guy in tech, and none of us know who he is.
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That's only because your kids aren't old enough.
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Once your kids get old enough, you will very quickly come to accept that you don't know
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anybody and all, you know, you're there, you just don't know it yet.
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Once your kids start telling you that you don't know who anybody is or start talking
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about famous people and you don't recognize any of the names, that's when it really comes
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So you'll get, you'll both get there.
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- Yeah, but like usually like, you know, it's okay for me to not know somebody who is a
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really big deal like in music or TV or something.
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To not know somebody who's a really big deal in my own industry.
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- That's right.
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I mean, for me, it was, you know, stuff about gaming, right?
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I subscribe to game magazines, I read gaming news sites and stuff like that, but I do not
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watch a lot of gaming YouTube channels and they are humongous and I don't know who any
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of those people are.
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And I'm fine with it by the way, because I just am.
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But yeah, no, I mean, I've watched some of his videos, he does a great job.
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I would have eaten that up if I was a kid and this YouTube existed and these channels
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exist, I would have been over the moon because I was trying to illegally get copies of Mac
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Week, that's what I was doing.
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These guys got HD video of a guy stabbing a potential iPhone thing with a knife.
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It's awesome.
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Anyway, he is getting bold.
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You know, these youths, they're brash predictions.
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We're going to put a link to this in the show notes.
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They have three minutes and 14 seconds in this video.
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Here is a quote from Marques Brownlee.
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I can pretty much guarantee the second generation of this thin and light new MacBook will have
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more than one USB port.
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Well, I quoted him.
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That's exactly what he said.
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He says, "Pretty much guarantee the pretty much hedges a little bit."
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But then he says, "Quote me."
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"Alright, we're quoting you.
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You can pretty much guarantee that the next one's gonna have two."
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I hope it does.
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As has been stated at length, I really hope it does.
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But this is interesting to see a popular person.
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I think he thinks there's gonna be another one, assuming he has no inside info, which
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I have no way of knowing.
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But if he doesn't have any inside info, he's just saying, at least, you know, he's saying
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what we're all thinking.
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It's like, "Well, duh.
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one will obviously have a second port, like it's crazy to have one port, right guys?
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Like come on, you know?
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That could be what he's thinking.
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That could show either wisdom of knowing his history about the original MacBook Air that
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had one and eventually came out with two, or not knowing exactly how stubborn Apple
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I think we'll get to Apple's stubbornness a little bit later in a somewhat related topic.
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But I just wanted to put that out there so that we can all hold him to his prediction.
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Yes, all of us who are approximately 25 times less than his own audience.
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Oh, even much less.
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We're all old people and he won't even know that we're talking about him and that's fine.
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But amongst ourselves, in our knitting circle, in our book club, in our little technology
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nerd thing, we will talk amongst ourselves about these youngsters.
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I mean, I think, I know we're going to talk endlessly about the support, but I would bet
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he's wrong about this.
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I would bet that this doesn't pan out that way that,
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oh no, you're making, you're doing,
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you shouldn't have said that.
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- Because you're always wrong about everything.
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You just went through back when you said
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I thought the Apple Watch traditional was gonna be cheap.
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That's your thing.
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Every time you do predictions on your blog,
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you're like, keep in mind that my track record
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of predicting Apple things is terrible.
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And that's the one thing you're right about.
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Your track record is not good.
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And so now that you've said that, now I'm doubting.
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Now I'm like, oh, damn it.
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I agree with you.
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And now I think I must be wrong
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'cause I agree with Marco about a prediction on Apple.
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- All right, before we take this any further,
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Oh my god, this is gonna be all follow-up, isn't it? Told you there's we we got to put a time cap on follow-up
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- All right, so let's go into the black hole, Jon.
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- Why don't you tell us about the ports again?
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- So this is from Dave W.
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he's getting down to the sort of philosophical reasoning
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for why there's, you know,
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what do I get with one point instead of two?
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Why is there one point instead of two, so on and so forth.
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Thus far, I've still not seen any credible practical support
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for the idea that there is one instead of two.
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Just lots of plausible theories.
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When, you know, lots of people like,
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"What if blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?"
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Like, yeah, sure, I can play what if all day,
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but if the what if isn't true, then we don't know.
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So even though there's a bunch of potentially plausible
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reasons, like we went over them before PCI Express
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Lanes power concerns, blah, blah, blah,
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you gotta quantify them.
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You gotta know that they're actually true,
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that you're just not saying this is theory,
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this could be true, and then you have to quantify them,
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because if you quantify them, then you can say,
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oh, well, it would take more power,
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but it would take .00001 more watts of power.
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Then I don't care, then it's not a good reason, right?
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but if it would take double the power, then I do care.
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So you have to quantify.
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Anyway, this reason gets more philosophical.
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Dave W says, "I can think of two reasons.
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"Neither are about making this MacBook better."
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They're kind of both the same reason,
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but I'll give them the two.
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One, Apple can use customer reaction as a signal
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on whether it's safe to reduce the number of ports
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on the rest of their laptops.
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So this is sort of like, let's try it with one
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and see what the reaction is.
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It's a trial balloon.
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If it goes over like a lead balloon,
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then Marcus Brownlee will be right,
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and the next one will have two ports,
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and you know, lesson learned, right?
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And number two, related,
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those who adjust first to having only one port
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effectively carve a path that makes it easier
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for the rest of us to follow.
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There's a lot of things about the carving the path,
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it's like you get used to it,
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you get acclimated to it on a small thing,
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that the industry of adapters and everything
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can be built up around that,
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so then it's safer to go to the other models,
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the idea that it's a transition point
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try to go to zero ports or go to one port everywhere.
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All of this sort of accepts as a premise that one port is the way to go and then just explains
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how Apple would be using this as a strategy to get to one port.
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I don't think it answers the essential question from a consumer's perspective of like, "What
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am I getting with one that I wouldn't be getting with two?"
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So that is still an open question.
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I will re-emphasize that does not mean I think there is not an answer.
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I think there very well could be an answer, but the answer would have to be something
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in the form of "here is a technical reason" or whatever, that this couldn't be done.
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Not just "there could be a technical reason like this!"
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Yeah, there could be, but we're not, you know what I mean?
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It's not interesting to me to hear people speculate about how much power they think
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it would have taken to add a second port if they have no idea how much power it would
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have added to take a second port, if any.
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So we may never know.
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We'll have to wait till the next version of this thing comes out.
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If it still has one port, it shows
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that it didn't matter enough for Apple
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to care that it only had one.
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And related to that--
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I've got to have a whole section about this down there.
00:49:10
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I didn't realize how long this goes.
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Sorry, guys.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Related to the idea--
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So I'll see you next week.
00:49:18
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Related to the idea that the case design dictates this,
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that they really wanted to have this case.
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Casey came up with this, fittingly based on his name,
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that they really wanted to have this case.
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Have you ever had that particular pun
00:49:33
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based on your name in your life?
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- What, caseless?
00:49:35
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- About a computer case?
00:49:38
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- No, there's a first time for everything.
00:49:40
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- Yeah, well, people who have names
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and get teased about them, it's like,
00:49:42
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oh, it's the first time I've heard that one.
00:49:44
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Well, you've gone through 30-something years of life
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and no one has ever compared your first name
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to a computer case until now.
00:49:51
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- Yep, that's true.
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This is what I say every single time somebody says Marco Polo.
00:49:55
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- Yeah, I see Marco has heard that one before.
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I'll have to think of some novel way
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to compare Marco's name to something, but not today.
00:50:03
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- Yeah, so Casey's thing was they just wanted this case.
00:50:07
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And then I started considering the notion,
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is that the way that anyone would design anything,
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that you just come up with the case and you just say,
00:50:14
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okay, now you just, whatever you can fit inside that,
00:50:17
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We've got a lot of armchair speculation about that
00:50:20
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from listeners and from us on the show saying,
00:50:24
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I was saying that regardless of whether this is
00:50:25
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how Apple designs things, it's a bad way to design things
00:50:28
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'cause it doesn't make any sense to me.
00:50:29
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And realistically speaking, it's an impossible way
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to design things because why isn't the MacBook
00:50:36
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as thin as a piece of paper?
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Well, that's the case I wanna have.
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There are practical considerations
00:50:41
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that the people designing the case know.
00:50:42
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They know it can't be as thin as a piece of paper
00:50:44
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because they know at minimum there's some certain thickness
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for the CPU.
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You can't make the CPU the thickness
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of a sheet of paper right now.
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They know that, and they're not engineers,
00:50:53
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but they know, everyone knows, like, okay,
00:50:54
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there's going to be a CPU in this.
00:50:56
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The CPU can't be a thickness of a piece of paper,
00:50:58
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so I'm not gonna say this is the case.
00:51:01
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The case is always defined by what's inside it,
00:51:03
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because the people designing it know the limitations,
00:51:06
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roughly, of the stuff that's inside it.
00:51:08
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But you can say, yeah, within the bounds of that,
00:51:10
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they just assign it the outside,
00:51:11
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and then the inside comes after.
00:51:13
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Well, I don't think we need to speculate
00:51:15
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about what actually goes on inside Apple,
00:51:18
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because Johnny Ive in a video interview with Vanity Fair
00:51:21
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at six minutes and 38 seconds in is asked,
00:51:24
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or is this a question I guess, the interviewer asks,
00:51:27
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so when you started off you were designing
00:51:29
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the outsides of machines almost exclusively,
00:51:31
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and again I would encourage people to read
00:51:33
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that Johnny Ive book that we will put a link to
00:51:36
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in the show notes, that it goes over his history
00:51:39
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in the company and how kind of he would,
00:51:41
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back in the bad old days he would kind of get
00:51:43
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a completed machine and he was asked to sort of
00:51:47
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put a nice looking thing around the box, right?
00:51:50
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And that's not the way he liked the work.
00:51:52
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So Johnny's answer is, yes, that in the bad old days,
00:51:57
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this was how it was going.
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Yes, but I think if you're going to do a good job,
00:51:59
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you can't just impose an outside on something.
00:52:01
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You have to have a bigger idea,
00:52:03
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and that always meant that you're involved
00:52:04
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in designing the layout and the internal architecture
00:52:06
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with the engineers.
00:52:07
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It's one of the things I really love.
00:52:08
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I really love doing a lot.
00:52:10
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So there it is from the horse's mouth.
00:52:12
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He is not just designing the outside.
00:52:14
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He's designing the outside of the inside together,
00:52:15
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because that's the better way to design things.
00:52:17
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That's what he loves doing.
00:52:19
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Period, end of story.
00:52:20
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- All right.
00:52:23
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- Are we done with the follow-up yet?
00:52:24
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- Oh no, we have a humongous section on naysayer notions.
00:52:30
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- This just looks big.
00:52:31
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You should go show them all these.
00:52:32
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- Oh my God, this is.
00:52:33
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- You should open up all these links in tabs.
00:52:35
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I think we'll breeze through this
00:52:36
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'cause it's really just a lot of.
00:52:37
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- My screen's not big enough.
00:52:38
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- A lot of links.
00:52:39
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And just open a new window
00:52:41
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and just put all the tabs lined up in it.
00:52:43
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- I'm at my window limit.
00:52:49
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So these are all the various naysayers about the idea that we're going to call MacBook
00:52:58
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fatalism or hardware design fatalism.
00:53:02
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That the way things are is the only way they could ever have been because that is the way
00:53:07
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Like it's a tautological, fatalistic notion that Apple has done something, therefore the
00:53:13
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The only way Apple could have done something is the way Apple did something because that's
00:53:15
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the way Apple did it.
00:53:17
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That just goes around and around in circles, a snake eating its tail and people love it.
00:53:20
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They just cannot resist the notion that it is absolutely positively impossible to make
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this machine with two USB-C ports without some massive compromise that would destroy
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the machine either spiritually, physically or both.
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One idea was related to the taper that if you made it, and Mark even said this in the
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If you made this machine either untapered or less tapered that there would not be distinguishable from the 13 inch MacBook Pro
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And even though I directly addressed that on the past show
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At least I gave my opinion on it people actually like they didn't hear me or at least acting like they disagree
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I actually sent someone a mock-up of like the side view of the thing and saying I
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Just drew a straight line where there was a taper and I call it
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I colored in the triangle and it was like put computer here like this this black triangle that I have drawn
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That's the place that does not currently have computer put computer there
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And I think that machine if you put it next to a side view of the 13-inch MacBook Pro
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It is still clearly distinguishable. Even if you would tirely eliminate the table. Oh, yeah
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No, I mean, I don't think I wasn't saying it was it was gonna be exactly the same
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But you know the difference would be a lot smaller
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It would still be noticeably smaller because even smaller screen, right?
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And you could just taper it less like what I was getting at is like even if you just tapered a little bit less
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You'd like the battery savings are tremendous because there is so little battery in there that even just a couple of degrees of you
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Know a fraction of a degree of untapering gives you potentially a large percentage more battery
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Yeah, but then that would push it over the magical two pound mark too
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Even if it was only a little bit even it was 2.1 pounds, you know
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That's still nothing magical about two pounds 2.01 pounds 2.02 2.03 again. You have to quantify it
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How much more does it weight could a person given these two things be able to tell the difference in weight?
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Blindfolded between 2.01 to and 2 point, you know, like it's nice for marketing materials
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It is exactly 2 on the nose who knows if it even is it's like a displacement in engines, you know
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Well, I'll just you know, it's close enough, right? I don't even know if it is exactly 2 pounds on the nose
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Like again, you have to quantify because people are willing to say like if you make this thing one gram heavier
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The whole machine is ruined. If you can make it one millimeter longer in any dimension. That's it
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It's just it's Johnny Ive will cry because he wanted that particular case and now you've ruined it because it is perfect
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and if you make and the best thing about it is like in the whole parallel mirror universe thing where you have a
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million different universes where they make a million different decisions and you actually do introduce this machine with
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variations of fractions of a pound and fractions of a millimeter everyone in those universes would be like
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This is the only way it could have possibly been and if I saw a machine that was different in any dimension or in any
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Weight measured by a tiny amount I would know that it is different when you wouldn't you would just accept whatever machine they put
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out and you would say, "That's the machine." Anyway, I get frustrated.
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So a lot of people, the people who are quote-unquote "on my side" kept coming in with these
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examples of existing PC machines that supposedly demonstrate everything that I'm frustrated
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about. There's a whole bunch of stories about this. There's one on The Verge about
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the Asus Zenbooks, beautifully named,
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capital U, capital X, three zero five,
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great product name there, Asus.
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- I believe it's pronounced asses.
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- I believe it's not.
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That is thinner than the new MacBook,
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and of course has multiple ports, as everything else does.
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This is what it says, it says an SD card reader,
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headphone jack, three USB ports, not type C, full size,
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three full size USB ports, micro HDMI,
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and it's thinner than this new one.
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And people are like, "Oh, see that shows
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"Apple could have made it smaller."
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But those people weren't paying attention to the specs
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because this machine is an inch wider,
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an inch deeper and a half a pound heavier.
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And those are quantifiable.
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An inch is not a couple of millimeters.
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An inch wider, an inch deeper,
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I don't know how to talk about these dimensions
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when I say that people think it's like an inch thick,
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I guess, you know what I mean, right?
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It is thinner when you lay it down than the MacBook,
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but it is much bigger in the other dimensions
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and it's half a pound heavier.
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And I think a half a pound, you could probably tell that.
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It's not just like 2.0 versus 2.1 pounds, right?
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It's also, by the way, half the price of the MacBook.
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So all this is showing is that another machine
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was made with different trade-offs.
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If the new MacBook was the same dimensions
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and weight as this in that mirror universe,
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I think people would be fine with it.
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But now that you can see them side by side,
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clearly the Apple One is giving you a trade-off
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that I think people would find more attractive
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for double the price, I guess.
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Then there's Lenovo Yoga Pro 3.
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I guess it's better because it doesn't have a bunch
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of alphanumerics in the name, but Yoga?
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You name your computer Yoga?
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I don't like that, I don't like that.
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- This is the one that had the misleading ad, right?
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- Yeah, so we should put a link to this show.
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First of all, they are--
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- That was really bad.
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- They are touting the fact that they're thinner
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and they put the side view of the computers
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next to each other and just use different scales for them.
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- Like wildly different scales.
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- Yeah, they are a few millimeters thinner,
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But again, because humans can't perceive a few millimeters,
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like if you drew an accurate picture,
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people would be like,
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"Those look like the same thickness."
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Because nobody can tell when it's a few millimeters off,
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except for of course the people who think
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that the entire MacBook would be ruined
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if it was a few millimeters different in any dimension.
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Anyway, yeah, they totally cheated on the ad.
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But it is thinner, slightly.
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It's bigger in the other two dimensions.
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It has full size USB.
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It's a half pound heavier, blah, blah, blah.
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Noticing a trend here, right?
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And so all this goes to say
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that all the people finding the other machines
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that seem to be better than the MacBook and all things,
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they're just shifting around the internal components.
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This doesn't say anything one way or the other
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about whether Apple could have within the same case
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or within a case that is imperceptibly different
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done to USB ports.
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I remain convinced that Apple could have put two USB ports
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on this without a perceptible loss of anything to anybody,
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but these computers don't say anything pro or con
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to that argument, I think.
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They are interesting though to see what other people
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are doing with similar chipsets,
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both in terms of price, battery life,
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and the other type of limitations.
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The most fun one is, what is this one here?
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Who sent this in?
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Someone named Ken sent in a Microsoft Windows 8.1 PC
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the size of a dongle.
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So it's something about,
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they show a little lipstick container next to it.
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It's about the size of one of those streaming sticks, right?
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And it has more ports than the Mac Pro.
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It's about the size of a lipstick.
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And what does it have on it?
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It looks like it has full-size USB, microSD port, HDMI and USB.
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That is probably the most embarrassing.
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But again, that's not a full-fledged computer, it doesn't have a keyboard, blah blah blah
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It's just funny.
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The other limit that we...
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Did we talk about the 8 gig RAM limit?
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I think briefly.
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That you can't get it with 16.
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But I'm actually more willing to...
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So RAM chips take up room.
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You can't put more RAM on there.
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You can't say, "Well, I'll just shrink the other RAM."
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I mean, I'm assuming they're fabbing the RAM at the same size as everybody else, and that
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it would not be economical to try to press the processor.
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And usually RAM is one of the best processor sizes anyway, because it's really easy to
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make because it's very regular.
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So you wouldn't need more space for the RAM.
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Also battery power?
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Yeah, and a little bit of battery power.
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I think we're all well aware of the trade-offs of more RAM on portable devices, which is,
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you know, we're always complaining about it with iOS devices.
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But the tricky bit here is, like, we're not saying that they should all have 16.
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Merely that 16 should be an option somewhere.
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And historically, once Apple started soldering the RAM to the boards, it has not been good
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about giving out--has it ever given a BTO option for a laptop with RAM soldered to the
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Yeah, the whole 15-inch line.
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I thought they all came with 16 now, and that's it.
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I bought mine, the first gen, it was an option. I got eight, I got the base model, but 16
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was available.
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Yeah, and for Aaron's MacBook Air that I'm talking to you on right now, the only thing
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that made it a BTO was that I made it have 8 gigs of RAM instead of 4.
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Yeah, so it's always nice to have that other one. And in practice, even though only nerds
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know that more RAM needs more power and everything like that, A, a lot of people are willing
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to take that trade-off, and b) if you asked anybody to measure that trade-off, it's actually
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probably pretty hard to measure. You would have to come up with some sort of, you know,
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I don't know, like, measuring energy usage is a pain, which I know from my extensive
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attempts to try to test Maverick's battery usage. There's just so many variables, like,
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what is representative usage for you? How can you prove that the 8 versus the 16, how
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could you show a measurable difference, or is it just within the margin of error of your
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your Android testing thing, like would you notice it
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in real life, but regardless, it's nice to have choices,
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but it's better for Apple to have one SKU,
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although then they made it in colors, but anyway,
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to have one board, right, to have one board
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inside all these machines, it's a nice simplification.
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Eight is a little bit, you know, we were talking
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about the limitations of the machine,
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the RAM limit is the one you can,
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that can't get around as easily.
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I mean, if you really pressed,
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you can attach external storage, and for CPU stuff,
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you can just wait longer, but RAM is just this unfixable,
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like and it's fine for most people,
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but if you know you need more RAM than that
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and you'd really love to use this machine
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then you'd be willing to say, charge me more money,
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use more of my battery, it's more important for me
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to have 16 gigs of RAM so I can do task X on the road
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with a super light MacBook, this is not the product for you.
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I think it's not the worst RAM choice they've made.
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I think keeping one gig in the iOS devices for so long
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was more painful than this just because of all
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the Safari tabs going away every time
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you switch to another app.
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It also burned me, my RAM Star machine burned me playing Alto,
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which by the way is a great game,
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we should link in the show notes,
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because I would leave the game paused,
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and then like, I don't know if I would just close the lid,
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and then I would open back up again and the game is gone.
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Sometimes I forget that like,
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if I switch away for a second to read Twitter,
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Alto is out of memory,
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and if I was in the middle of a run, I'm screwed now.
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So I think the iOS devices
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have been more RAM Star than Max lately,
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Max have been getting better in particular
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when they went to 16 across the board,
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on the MacBook Pro line, it was like, thank God,
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reflect the fact that it's a Pro.
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So I think 8 gig is the right choice
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for the bottom of the line here,
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it's just a shame that it doesn't go up higher.
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- Well, for whatever it's worth,
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to be fair to this computer,
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I just verified all of the MacBook Airs currently
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ship with four stock and max out at eight.
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Like you can BTO all of them, they max out at eight.
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So this thing as a replacement to the MacBook Air
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to come stock with eight is pretty good, first of all.
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- But it's not very forward looking though,
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like that's an old machine,
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It's like at the end of its life.
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It's like when the last model year of a car
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before it goes through the generational revision.
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Like I give the MacBook Air as a pass
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because they're the older machine.
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This is the new one, it should be built for the future.
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- Well they were just updated though.
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You know they all just got a minor update.
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So anyway, so as this thing basically sitting
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pretty close to the bottom of the lineup,
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I don't think it's that unreasonable
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for it to have eight gigs of RAM stock,
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I mean eight gigs of RAM stock at this price
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I think is good.
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and maxing out at eight just matches it up
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to the other MacBook Airs.
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And so I think the goal here was probably
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to minimize SKUs and board space.
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And so I'm sure they'll switch to 16 gigs
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once whatever mainstream RAM process,
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basically once the DRAM chips double in size
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that they're using.
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Once that becomes reasonably available for a good price,
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I bet that's when they'll do it.
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I wouldn't be too concerned about that.
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And I think, you know, seeing the rest of the lineup,
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I'm actually very pleasantly surprised
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that they all come with a minimum of eight gigs.
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I think that's great.
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- What does the Mac, the big tube Mac Pro come with?
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Isn't it some ridiculous minimum, like 12 or something?
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- 12, yeah, you're right, that is weird.
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- It was three DIMMs.
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- Apple's always been really weird, right?
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But yeah, this is fine.
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Like far more people would find a practical use
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for a second USB port than care about having more RAM.
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So it's just something to note.
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Mostly because the other comparable machines,
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all this when it's thinner and it goes up to 16,
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and all that other business, whatever.
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- Yeah, I mean, again, on this machine though,
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we're all looking at it as geeks,
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because we all want this to be good for us,
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because it's new and shiny and really impressive
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in a few physical ways.
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So we're all looking at this like getting mad at it,
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almost like getting mad at the Apple Watch Edition
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for not being made for us and not being priced for us.
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We're looking at this MacBook and saying,
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"Man, why do they only have one port, our big rage?
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"Why is there only eight gigs of RAM here, big rage?"
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But the fact is, it's a low spec laptop
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made for other priorities, and it's really tiny.
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Like, I can't think of anything I would do on this machine
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that would need more than eight gigs of RAM,
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because if I'm doing stuff like that,
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I need more screen space, by a lot, not by a little.
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I need a lot more screen space.
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- Yeah, but some people get by with that much screen space.
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We all have the things that annoy us.
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sponsor Stone Follow-Up. Yeah, MagSafe and USB-C and tripability. We talked about this
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before the machine came out, but not so much afterwards. And luckily we don't have to do
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the hard work because—was this Glenn Fleischman, I think? In Macworld? Yep. Tried to figure
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out—again, in the grand tradition of all of us commenting on things we've never seen
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or touched—tried to figure out how this new MacBook will behave if you trip over the
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cord versus how MagSafe behaves.
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With all sorts of perhaps questionable physics, he did involve Dr. Drang in this discussion,
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but predictably Dr. Drang had complaints about how the information was conveyed after the
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Anyway, we'll put the link in the show notes.
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He tried to use coefficients of friction and physics and forces to figure out what will
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happen when you trip over the cord of your USB-C connected new MacBook.
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I don't know what will happen.
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I remember when we first discussed this, I was totally willing to believe that because
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the connector is so tiny, it might have similar performance characteristics to MagSafe depending
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on the angle that the thing is pulled in.
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Apparently the thing that matters the most is how quickly the force is applied, not so
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much the direction.
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Anyway, read the story.
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We'll all find out once we get these things and our kids and significant others start
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tripping over them.
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>> BRIAN KARDELL Yeah, I mean, the problem is, you know, if
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you look at both Glenn and Dr. Drank's analyses of this, they have to make some estimations
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here and there and some ballparks here and there because we just don't have certain
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information but it basically looks like there's a very very good chance of it being able to
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be pulled off a table with enough force or enough speed of tripping over that cable with
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so much leeway that it's pretty clear that even if their assumptions are not that accurate,
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there's so much leeway in the number that like,
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yeah, pretty much like, you don't wanna have this thing
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plugged in with the cable draped across something
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where people are gonna be walking.
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Like again, if this is, this is yet another thing.
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If that's important to you,
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this machine is not right for you.
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Or you need to get some kind of extension cord.
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- MagSafe could go away entirely and Apple could just,
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again, like I was saying, they didn't make a big deal
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out of this by saying, we thought MagSafe was a good idea
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but it turns out it's not a big deal.
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They just didn't mention it.
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And if this turns out not to be a problem,
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I can see them ditching MagSafe and all their other machines too, just because they're gonna
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get thinner too, and MagSafe is pretty big, and MagSafe 2 was worse than MagSafe 1, partially,
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we assume, because it got smaller and didn't, you know what I mean?
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Like it didn't quite work as well.
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People complain about MagSafe not staying connected enough.
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Like they use it on their couch and they switch to MagSafe 2 and it was always coming disconnected
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and it was annoying them.
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It seems like the problem is in the other direction, so now maybe this is a solution
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for those people to say, "Well, you were annoyed by MagSafe 2 constantly coming disconnected
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when you didn't want it to, when no one's tripping over it, well this will solve that problem for you.
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And yeah, I think an interesting thing about their analysis was they were taking force numbers from the USB spec,
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because the USB spec says how much what the min and max force is for plugging and unplugging.
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There's a pretty wide range there, but it's interesting that, you know,
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they could get as far as they could with the analysis without actually having machines to trip over.
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And Peter Wagenet or Wagonet or something like that
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No mag safe on the new MacBooks means Apple doesn't expect to use it use it plugged in no one complains about no mag safe
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On the iPad this is the idea that with this all-day battery life and so on and so forth you don't use it plugged in
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When you're using it, it's not plugged in and like your iPad when you're or your phone when you're not using it you plug it in
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Unfortunately I have seen a lot of people including my children much to my chagrin use iOS devices while plugged in
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This is a no-no in terms of cable life
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Although I still maintain my unbroken record of never having destroyed a lightning cable or never having I broke mine this week or last week
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I lost my first one. I'm so upset you lost it as in damaged it to the point. It doesn't work
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Yeah, I mean it to me it was the one I'm using in an elevation dock
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So it has like this bracket that like it like turns it on a right angle
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So like I'm not surprised it's that one, but I'm still annoyed
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- Yeah, so, but I do see people, have you seen this?
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Have you done it yourself,
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used an iOS device while plugged in?
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- Yeah, my kid's iPad, which is also the first iOS device
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I've ever had that has a cracked screen,
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that is frequently being used while plugged in
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because a lot of times kids,
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especially when they're not even three,
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don't remember to plug their iPads in all the time
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when they need to.
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So sometimes it's desired to be used
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at a time when it's not fully charged.
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- My son has Marco's range anxiety for his iPad
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because he watches YouTube videos,
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he used to play Minecraft on it,
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but then he watches YouTube videos.
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And he's never really in danger of running out of battery,
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even on this, it's an original iPad 2, right?
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But if the battery looks a little bit low,
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it just makes him feel safer
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to just use it plugged in all the time,
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which is terrible because he's constantly kinking the cord
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and moving around and I'm like, you're at 100%,
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You've been at 100% for 20 minutes.
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Unplug the thing.
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You can go to another place.
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You don't have to be sitting next to the court.
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Anyway, the idea that the new MacBook,
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that that's the model they're going with there,
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is like you don't use it when it's plugged in.
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And then Serenity Colwell replied to that same thread.
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She says, "Well, if the MacBook had 12 to 15 hours
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of battery, maybe, but nine is right on the edge for me."
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So, you know, can you use it like an iPad?
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iPad has a comfortable 10,
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and I think people are less likely
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to just sit in front of an iPad for an entire working day
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and do not go accept it, I guess.
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Anyway, we'll see.
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If that is the new use case,
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and if they can stretch out the battery
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to the point where people stop feeling
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like they need to have it plugged in while they're using it,
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they just use it and it's not plugged in
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and then close it up, put it someplace else,
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plug it in when you're not using it,
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that could make the MagSafe issue moot as well.
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- Yeah, but that's, I totally agree with Serenity
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that all these new Apple laptops,
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you can tell, like Jason Snell had that post
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a couple months back that Apple was like solving for a certain battery life with the iPads
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and with the iPhones and you could see like especially with the iPads like it's very clear
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that Apple takes whatever gains they get with advancements in battery technology or more
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efficient components any gains they get that in battery life that could be used to make
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something with much longer battery life they usually apply instead to keep the same battery
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life but with less physical battery and then you can make the whole thing thinner and lighter.
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- Could you just attribute that to Jason Snell?
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- He wrote the article about it, right?
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- We talked about it like a year ago.
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- Well, yeah, but he wrote an article about it,
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and he had pretty graphs, come on.
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- I know, just because he wrote it down,
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you attribute your own idea to Jason
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because he wrote about it.
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Not that I'm saying, Jason's right, we agree with him,
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but I think it was you or us, we talked about this
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like a year before he wrote that,
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but because he wrote it down in a blog post,
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our podcast discussions don't count,
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and now this is Jason's idea.
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- I'm sure if we said it a year ago,
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I'm sure we weren't the first people to say it even then.
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- I know, but of all the people to attribute to,
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attribute to yourself, you, oh nevermind.
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- Doesn't matter who said it, but,
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you know, I think if you look across Apple's lineup,
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like this is one of those areas where like,
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I think they have calculated that a little bit wrong.
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I, like I would love to have 25% more battery life
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across the line, 30%, like 40%,
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something like the six plus kind of does that,
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but I think it does that almost accidentally.
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In the laptops, they're all within the same pretty narrow range, or lower, like the 11
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inch is actually lower, but they're all within this like, you know, 9 to 11 hour range
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that's all like pretty close.
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And the problem is those numbers are wildly variable based on what you're doing with
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If you're doing something that stresses the CPU more than average, that number could
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drop by half.
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You know, there isn't necessarily enough leeway
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for a lot of people in these numbers
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to be running untethered to things all day.
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And if that was how you're intended
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to use this laptop all the time,
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personally, I would want a longer battery life on it.
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I would want, you know, more like 15 hours.
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- Yeah, and Marco, you have just recently done the thing
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that I've seen done many other places,
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which is somehow arranged to have a Apple power connector
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snaking out of the cushions in your couch.
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would you do that? Because you find yourself using Apple devices and you have range anxiety
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as well, you would just feel more comfortable being able to plug them in. Have it on your
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lap and to plug them in, sit on your couch and do it. And really that's the kind of usage
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where MagSafe comes in handy. Because in the office, if people are sitting at their desk
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with their laptop plugged in, the cords are down behind, they're not in a trippable location,
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but in people's houses, when they're using them on their couches, that's when things
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get tripped over. And it's like, why are you having it plugged in when you use it on your
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couch. Well, you feel like I just always keep it next to the couch and it's a pain to plug
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in and unplug it and sometimes I'm near the end of the battery but I don't want to stop
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what I'm doing whether it's watching a movie or playing a game or even just web browsing.
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So it's nice to have it on your lap and have it plugged in, right? And so then eventually
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you end up snaking the little Apple power cord up between the cushions in your couch
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and it's convenient, right? And I think it's going to be very difficult. You're going to
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have to have a hell of a battery to stop people from doing that and nine hours is comfortably
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below that limit where I think you feel like you have to go to like 24 hours or something
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And even then, the problem is if people don't pay attention,
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like if they forget to charge it overnight,
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they come in the next morning, they're like,
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"Oh, well, it's not like I'm not gonna use my computer.
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"Let me just plug it in while I use it."
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Yeah, exactly.
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- Yeah, we definitely have one of those cords
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snaked between our couch as well.
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- It's a good idea.
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It's a thing.
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No, I've seen it over many years.
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I've resisted doing it mostly because I stick to iOS devices
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on the couch and so far I've been able to keep that policy.
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But if someone, like we have--
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- Oh no, our cord is an iOS cord, it's a lightning cable.
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- Yeah, same here.
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So you're using like iPads plugged in? Usually iPhones, but sometimes iPads.
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Same here. iPhones! See, you're using the iPhones plugged in. Like I said, I have my
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battery life on my 6, I mean it's a new phone, and so far I have not ever had to use it plugged
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in. Occasionally, my iPad upstairs, I'm in a big Alto session and I notice I'm getting
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a little low on battery, I get nervous, but I don't like using it plugged in.
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Speaking of plugging things in, one or the other, this should have been the Naysayer
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section, the idea that like, well if they had two USB-C ports, what are you going to
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do? Have one that you can charge through and one that you can't? That's confusing. There's
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people who have two minds in this. Some people said having one port that you can charge from
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and one that you can't is too confusing, it's a non-starter. And other people said you can't
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have two ports that you can charge from because it's confusing. I'm not sure what would be
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confusing that people wouldn't know which port they're, like if it works in both, they
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don't have to know, but somehow they'd be concerned that they were plugging in the wrong
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one. And a lot of people said it's just impossible, you can't have something that charges from
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both ports because it's electrically impossible or because whatever. so the
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Chromebook pixel actually has two USB C ports and it can charge from both of
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them so it is not electrically impossible if you thought that was
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the case. here's a product that shows that it's not. I assume this machine does
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not immediately burst into flames if you plug in the charger into both sides. we
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have this amazing technology that can sense when things are plugged in. we have
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the technology we can make something with two USB C charging ports. can you
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make it with four, six, I believe we can. We sent a man to the moon, I believe we can
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make a computer with six USB charging ports. Whether or not that becomes more complicated
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to some degree that precludes it, I don't know. But anyway, there is one that charges
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from two. If you think charging from two is more confusing than charging from only one,
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I don't know. I don't know what the right call is. I think either one would probably
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be fine, but if you're going to have two identical looking ports, and you're not going to make
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one clearly the charging port you should just be it make it charge from either
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port and I think we can do that well I don't think we have time for anything
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else this week except for all this follow-up. We're almost there, we're almost there, there's like two more items we're gonna do it.
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Okay go for it. Mirrored display only. I put a question mark because I didn't
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check that is that the case you can't do extended display you can only mirror the
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display. Doesn't sound right. I was thinking about a desk at work if I'm
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forced to get a laptop to replace my current Mac Pro at work I would actually
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choose to do it mirrored just so my windows wouldn't move every time I plug
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and unplug. You are the only human who would ever say that. Because I only like one
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screen I would only ever look at like the main screen right and what I would
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do is get a 15 inch and set it to the max like Faco resolution and just have
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it be the same on my 24 inch monitor anyway. You are insane sir. I don't know
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if that's the case we'll leave a question mark. FaceTime camera downgraded
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from 720p to 480p I put a question mark after that but I think it's true right?
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- Right, two things.
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First of all, the real-time follow-up,
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nobody_ in the chat room is quoting the MacBook specs page,
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and it's right there on the specs page,
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just does support display spanning and mirroring.
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So that's not a problem.
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And then secondly, who cares about the resolution
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of the front camera?
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This is one of those like megapixel race things
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where the resolution has never mattered.
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- Well, 480 is pushing it, don't you think?
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- No, it goes from a crappy camera with more pixels
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to a crappy camera with less pixels.
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Either way, you're getting crappy images.
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It's not made for quality.
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It's made for like just barely being good enough
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to do FaceTime.
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That's all it's for.
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- Casey needs to say he's beautiful baby's face in HD.
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- And so do I for that matter.
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Everybody does.
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But Marco said it's probably true
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about the light gathering ability of those pixels.
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I don't think it's a big deal.
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I think, I assume it was kind of mostly there
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for cost savings, but I don't think any,
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I don't know, 480 I think is the type of thing
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I would notice.
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480 versus 720, I think I would notice that.
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but it's just kind of a shame.
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Like you know it's gonna be 720 in like a revision or two.
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Like I'm gonna pull a Marcus Brown leader
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and say guaranteed two or three revisions from now,
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that camera will not be 480.
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- Oh, it's very possible.
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Yeah, I'm just saying it probably isn't that big of a deal.
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- So this will be just like the one year
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that it came with a 480.
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Anyway, not a big deal, but something to keep in mind
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if you really care about having HD pictures
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while you, whatever, like just use your phone,
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it's got a higher definition camera to do FaceTime stuff.
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Uh, I'm gonna skip the three finger drag thing.
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Thanks a lot to our three sponsors this week.
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Uh, I can't even read that.
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Yeah, I can fit one more item in while you search.
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Fracture, Igloo, and Squarespace, and we will see you next week.
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Haha, I beat you.
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Now the show is over, they didn't even mean to begin.
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'Cause it was accidental.
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Oh, it was accidental.
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John didn't do any research.
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If you didn't do any research, Marco and Casey wouldn't let him
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'Cause it was accidental (it was accidental)
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It was accidental (it was accidental)
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And you can find the show notes at ATP.fm
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And if you're into Twitter, you can follow them
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@C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S
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So that's Casey Liss M-A-R-C-O-A-R-M
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Anti-Marco Armin, S-I-R-A-C, USA, Syracuse, it's accidental.
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It's accidental.
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They didn't mean to.
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Tech broadcast so long.
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Dude, we have got to put a time limit on follow up.
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Yeah, like, this is ridiculous.
01:25:29
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Alright, so let's save it by talking Nintendo, but we-
01:25:31
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But we this is a topic too. I mean like I I think just because we talked about it on the previous show
01:25:38
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Which makes it follow up on this show doesn't make it any less of a topic than it was last week
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You know what? I mean? It's still the same subject. Yeah
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And I also blame Marco for going to England and delaying the show because we would not have had this much follow-up if we had
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Recorded on Wednesday. We would have had two days less believe me. It would have been pretty similar. Yeah. Yeah
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- Yeah, I don't know, I think it's an interesting machine
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with a lot of interesting compromises
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and it's worth talking about.
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- I agree, so now let's talk about something
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potentially uplifting and let's get our Nintendo chat
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out of the way real quick, because that'll totally be quick.
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- Are you serious?
01:26:13
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- Oh actually, no, no, no, what about the six plus?
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You wanna talk about that?
01:26:16
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That'll be a topic and it'll be quickish.
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- So I went on this trip and I brought with me a six plus
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to do the local SIM card thing,
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'cause my six plus is unlocked,
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I bought it for developer testing.
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- Let me stop you there.
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Where did you get your local SIM?
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'Cause I've never done this
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and I'm very intrigued by the whole process.
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- I had never done it either,
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but I was tipped off in advance by our friend Daniel Jaka.
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This was like really easy in England.
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And it varies by country.
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Some places it's easier than others.
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But in England, you can just go,
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like there's a store in the airport.
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Like I walked out of customs
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and while waiting for my ride,
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there was a store right there that sold SIMs.
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So I walked in and they did it right there.
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like I paid 30 pounds for a sim on the Carrier 3
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and it supports, 30 pounds got me 30 days
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of unlimited data, some number of local UK minutes
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that I would never use, and even tethering with all that.
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And I asked the guy, I'm like, well,
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I'm going to Ireland in two weeks.
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So no, not every sim in England will work in Ireland.
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Three is one of the only ones that does.
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And I asked the guy, oh, does it work there?
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He said, yeah, but there's a limit on the tethering there.
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I'm like, oh, 25 gigs.
01:27:26
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- Well, my God, that's amazing.
01:27:28
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- Oh, okay, so don't worry, that won't be a problem.
01:27:32
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So yeah, 30 pounds got me all that,
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and some people were saying they got a very similar plan
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for 15 pounds somewhere else,
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so that might have even been overpriced.
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- I would absolutely pay 30 pounds for that,
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are you kidding me?
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That's amazing. - Yeah, and that's like,
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even after the exchange rate,
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that is cheaper than what I pay per month for AT&T
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in my home plan, and it comes with unlimited data.
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I mean, that's a better plan than I have at home,
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for less money.
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So I did that, and the guy, I brought my phone,
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the guy popped it in right there,
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and even though I did bring my own SIM removal tool,
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which is a paperclip, 'cause I don't have the official one.
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- Do they not have paperclips in England,
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along with no top sheets?
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- I didn't want to presume that they would have paperclips,
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so I brought my own paperclip in my carry-on bag.
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So, yeah, so I brought the 6 Plus as my unlocked phone,
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and normally I just pay AT&T the 30 bucks
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for the 120 megs of data and then I'm just afraid
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to use it ever for the whole trip.
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So it ends up I pay 30 bucks to not have data
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for the whole trip or I accidentally use it
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and launch Instagram once and then I've blown the cap
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and pay another 30 bucks every 100 megs.
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It's annoying.
01:28:40
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So anyway, this is the first trip where I did this
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and it was great.
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It was fantastic to just not have to think about it.
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Just, you know, I have an iPhone,
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like I always have an iPhone.
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I can just use it whenever I want and it's fine.
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I'll fit within whatever limit there is.
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It's just by my normal usage
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and I can download stuff if I want to.
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I can tether if I want to.
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So definitely recommend doing this
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if you have any unlocked phones.
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I also, in advance, just in case,
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I unlocked my old AT&T 5S,
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which you can do,
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AT&T now has a thing you can do it online.
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It takes like five minutes.
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You can just fill, you fill out a form online
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and it sends it to them to review
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and then like two minutes later,
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They approve it and that's it.
01:29:20
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So that was great.
01:29:22
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And I spent the whole week using the 6 Plus.
01:29:26
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- Did you download season five of Mad Men
01:29:28
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while you were asleep?
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You could have done that with 25 gigs,
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it would have been, well, it would have been close.
01:29:33
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- No, no, it was unlimited in the UK.
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I'm limited for two weeks from now when I go back.
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So tethering was great, using it as data was great,
01:29:42
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and using the 6 Plus, it felt really, really weird
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and huge for about the first half a day.
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And then I just forgot about it and it just felt normal.
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And there were times where it felt large in my pocket
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here and there, but for the most part,
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like when I first got the 6 Plus for my testing
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and everything when it came out,
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that was when we were all coming from the five line
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of phones and so the 6 and the 6 Plus both felt really big.
01:30:12
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And I was barely able to really hold onto the 6,
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let alone the 6 Plus, which just looked ridiculous.
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But now, having now used the 6 for so long,
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going to the 6 Plus from the 6 was not a huge jump.
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It didn't feel that ridiculous,
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now that I'm used to the 6.
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And once I was using the 6 Plus for half a day,
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it felt fine, it felt good.
01:30:34
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And then, and I was able to enjoy it,
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to just really, you know, just enjoy all the screen space.
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As a travel device, I mean, as an everyday device,
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I'm not sure if I would prefer that,
01:30:43
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just because it is pretty big in the pocket,
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but as a travel device, I loved it
01:30:48
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because it has way better battery life.
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Mine happens to be unlocked,
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so that helps a lot with international stuff.
01:30:54
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And it's nice to, like, so, and on this trip,
01:30:57
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I didn't bring an iPad at all.
01:30:58
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- It's a phablet, you had a phablet, you didn't use it.
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- Yeah, there was no reason to bring an iPad.
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And so I had this little phone, and like, hey, you know,
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this is how I cut down the weight of my laptop in my bag.
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I stopped bringing an iPad.
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saved a pound and a half right there.
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So now I have a 15 inch laptop and no iPad
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and then I'm carrying around the same size bag
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as all these people with their MacBook Airs
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and their 10 different devices.
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So I think the 6 Plus is great.
01:31:25
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So I came home yesterday and switched back to my 6
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on AT&T now and now the 6 feels tiny.
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Like it actually feels like noticeably small
01:31:38
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and I miss the screen space.
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and I might actually switch back at some point.
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I'm not sure yet.
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Certainly I'll switch back when I go to Ireland
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in two weeks, but I get the six plus now.
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Like I gave it the chance, now I understand it.
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I get it, I get why people like it.
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I like it, I'm not sure if I like it enough
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to use it full time or to get another one next year.
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I don't know about that, but I get it now.
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And I think all of us who were saying
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that it was completely ridiculous
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and couldn't understand who would buy it,
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I think, you know, give it a try sometime.
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And it's really, I totally get it now,
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and I might convert at some point, we'll see.
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- I hope my grandkids find this episode
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so they can laugh at us all about the idea that like,
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you have to decide on a certain set
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of differently sized pieces of glass to bring with you.
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Like, so I've got the really small one, which is my phone,
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and then I've got the iPad, and then I've got the laptop,
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which has the keyboard, and you're shuffling around.
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Well, if we could make this piece of glass
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little bit bigger than I can get rid of that piece of glass
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because this now fills the gap of whatever.
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And they all have every image being displayed
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in the back of their retinas
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by tiny nano machines or something.
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And it'd be like, remember when they had to pick
01:32:48
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different pieces of glass and pack them in their suitcases?
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- No, I mean, really it is a really good device.
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And like, I mean, it totally eliminated any desire
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I had for an iPad while I was there.
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I mean, I'm obviously, you know,
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I said when I bought this last iPad
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that I was experimenting 'cause I had kind of fallen
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out of iPad usage and part of it I thought was just
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'cause I had like all the worst hardware
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and so I got the best iPad
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and to see if that would fix my usage and it hasn't.
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So I don't think I'll be getting any more iPads
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for a long time.
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Now that I see the 6 Plus,
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like I really do respect this device
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and it might be the phone for me
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'cause it has more space.
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If you're not gonna have an iPad,
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it's a great balance between the two
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for screen space reasons
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and you can't beat the battery life.
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And with the Apple, I had the Apple leather case on it,
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just like I have on the 6.
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And with the Apple leather case, grip is perfectly fine.
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I had no issues with feeling like
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I was gonna drop it at all.
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One handedness was obviously not great.
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In my limited usage of it during this few days,
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it didn't really come up, it wasn't really a problem.
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Once the watch comes out, it'll be even less of a problem
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'cause there'll be less need to use it one handed,
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another size piece of glass.
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Like it's really like it's this continuum from like from the big piece of glass to the
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smallest and it's like how many sizes in between do I need?
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Can I eliminate a device by having a really really tiny one and then a bigger gap and
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then a bigger one or like what is the right number of pieces of glass sizes from small
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And what you're describing Marco is the shuffling of the structure of that internally and now
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all of a sudden there's gonna be a new a new tiny piece of glass coming in you're like
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that may let me make my other piece of glass bigger
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because the small one will figure,
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and it's all just about like,
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how big is the little light up picture that I'm seeing
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and how many of those little pictures
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do I have to carry around with me?
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And I think the other aspect of this is that
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it's not really just a bunch of interchangeable
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different sized pieces of glass
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because to a degree that is still slightly uncomfortable,
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these are separate devices.
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And yes, iCloud and yes, the web and email and Twitter
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and things being, and all that business
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that tries to make them feel kind of like the same thing,
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but they're not.
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Like, it's not synchronized to the degree where you're like,
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this is just a differently sized window
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into my world digital crap.
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A lot of it's like that,
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but maybe a game is installed here and not there.
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Well, maybe you can't play a game here and not there.
01:35:15
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Maybe this thing has an app that that thing doesn't.
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Maybe if I edit a document over here,
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I gotta wait for it to sync over there.
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Maybe from the middle, you know,
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with Handoff in between them,
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and then the gap between iPad and phone,
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and the gap between the iOS devices and the Mac,
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We just need to fast forward like 300 years,
01:35:29
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'cause I can see where this is going
01:35:30
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and we're not quite there yet and also frustrating.
01:35:33
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- All I know is Mike Hurley's going to be intolerable
01:35:37
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after hearing this.
01:35:38
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- Oh, I know, that's new.
01:35:39
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Well, 'cause I'm connected.
01:35:41
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Does Steven have one too?
01:35:43
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Steven, you're in the chat.
01:35:44
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Do you have one too?
01:35:44
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I know Federico's been trying a six plus.
01:35:46
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Mike has had one since it came out
01:35:48
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and Mike's been telling them all,
01:35:49
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"Oh, the six plus is the best,"
01:35:50
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and they all didn't believe him
01:35:51
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and now Federico's basically converted.
01:35:54
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Steven, yeah, he did too.
01:35:55
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So Steven, you converted too?
01:35:57
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I think he also said that he respected it
01:35:59
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and appreciated it.
01:36:00
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- Just watch what's gonna happen when the watch comes,
01:36:02
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'cause that's gonna screw up everybody's lineup
01:36:03
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of little glass squares, or rectangles really.
01:36:07
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- Real time follow up, Steven Hackett said he had a loaner,
01:36:10
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but he will be going for the larger phone the next time.
01:36:14
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- Yeah, I mean, I think this is the year of all of us
01:36:18
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realizing that the big screen stuff is good.
01:36:20
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I got my, oh, and this was yet another trip.
01:36:22
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Again, last week I'm saying,
01:36:24
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"Oh, well, you know, maybe I'll go with the smaller screen
01:36:27
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"on my next laptop to get a small laptop."
01:36:30
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And then I take this trip where I'm working on my slides
01:36:35
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until the last minute, of course, 'cause I always am.
01:36:37
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And I'm like, "Man, I am so glad I have this big screen."
01:36:40
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On the plane on the way home,
01:36:41
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I'm working on an overcast in Xcode.
01:36:42
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I'm like, "Man, I'm so glad I have this 15 inch laptop."
01:36:45
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So I think this is the year where I admit to myself
01:36:49
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that even though the small stuff is all sexy,
01:36:52
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I actually enjoy using the bigger stuff more.
01:36:55
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- You were just saying how there's not so long ago,
01:36:58
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I think both of you were saying
01:36:59
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that if Apple made a four inch version of the iPhone,
01:37:02
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the next version of the iPhone,
01:37:03
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you might consider getting in instead of the six size.
01:37:06
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So you've gone up totally, not only getting used to the six,
01:37:08
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but saying, in fact,
01:37:09
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you'll go possibly in the other direction.
01:37:11
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So the market for it,
01:37:13
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do you think there's still a market
01:37:14
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for a smaller size of iPhone or no?
01:37:16
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Just be based on, I mean, for you, obviously not,
01:37:19
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you see, you're not gonna buy one,
01:37:21
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but do you think Apple should still make one?
01:37:23
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- I honestly don't know.
01:37:25
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They could sell it.
01:37:27
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I mean, people would buy it.
01:37:29
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- Who would buy it?
01:37:30
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- Besides John Gruber, I don't know.
01:37:34
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- Would he still buy it?
01:37:35
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Like, it could be that just like through sort of
01:37:37
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indoctrination by forcing everyone in the Apple,
01:37:41
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everyone who wants a new iPhone being forced,
01:37:43
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this is the smallest one you can get,
01:37:44
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just deal with it for a year.
01:37:46
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And then, like we said,
01:37:48
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it could be that you go back to the old size
01:37:49
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and it seems ridiculously small to you.
01:37:51
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I still find the six, again, not so much in the hand,
01:37:55
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but as you said, in the pocket, just my plain old six.
01:37:58
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How long have I had it now?
01:37:59
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A couple months?
01:38:01
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- In the pocket, I still feel like, man,
01:38:03
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I remember my other one was not such a hassle in my pocket.
01:38:06
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And usage, fine, I'm okay with it.
01:38:08
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In the pocket, it feels small.
01:38:09
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But of course, I have all these iPod Touch
01:38:10
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running around the house and I pick them up
01:38:12
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and I say, the pocket, you know, it's worth it
01:38:15
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to deal with the pocket thing, you know?
01:38:17
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- Exactly, it's always a trade-off, right?
01:38:19
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and that's with the 6 Plus, it's a trade-off.
01:38:21
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It is significantly bigger in the pocket.
01:38:23
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It is harder to use one-handed than the 4-inch phone.
01:38:27
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I don't necessarily think it's harder
01:38:28
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to use one-handed than the 6.
01:38:30
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I would say compared to the 6, it's about the same.
01:38:34
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Like, I really don't think it's harder to use than the 6.
01:38:39
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And because either way,
01:38:41
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you're not reaching the whole screen.
01:38:42
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Either way, you're changing your grip in such a way
01:38:44
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that you gotta kinda like have this wide claw
01:38:46
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and kinda hover over things, like that's fine.
01:38:49
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When I was going for the trip,
01:38:50
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I have two unlocked phones now.
01:38:51
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I have the 5S and the 6 Plus.
01:38:53
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And I charged up both and I launched it.
01:38:57
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I have all my stuff on both
01:38:58
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and I played with the 5S for a few minutes
01:39:01
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and it was just too tiny.
01:39:02
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Like I loved how tiny it felt in my hand,
01:39:05
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but when I tried to do anything on it,
01:39:07
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I loved how I could reach everything,
01:39:08
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but like it was just, I felt cramped.
01:39:10
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I felt like I had no screen space.
01:39:12
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And that was even before I was used to the 6 Plus.
01:39:14
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Now that I'm used to the 6 Plus,
01:39:16
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the 6 almost feels that way.
01:39:18
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You know, it's all about what you're used to.
01:39:20
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And the 6 Plus does have a better camera,
01:39:22
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not by a huge amount, but it is better
01:39:24
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'cause of the image stabilization.
01:39:26
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So it has a better camera
01:39:27
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and a significantly longer battery life.
01:39:29
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Those are pretty big advantages.
01:39:31
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So combine that with the screen space advantage
01:39:34
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and it might be worthwhile to me.
01:39:35
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I don't know.
01:39:36
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We shouldn't rule things out
01:39:38
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because of what we're accustomed to.
01:39:40
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Because that, you know, it's all relative.
01:39:42
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That can all change.
01:39:43
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We said only a few months ago
01:39:46
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that they should really make a smaller phone,
01:39:48
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But in reality, once I'm used to the 6 now,
01:39:51
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the 6 feels fine.
01:39:52
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I still think that the physical design
01:39:56
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of them being these slippery blobs is horrible,
01:39:59
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but once I put Apple leather cases on them,
01:40:02
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they became great.
01:40:03
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I'm fine with them now.
01:40:05
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Once I put the leather case on, it's fine, it's great.
01:40:07
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I like it a lot.
01:40:08
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And same thing, like the watch,
01:40:09
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I was hoping to go with 38
01:40:11
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'cause I don't like big, chunky watches.
01:40:14
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But then I have a fit issue,
01:40:16
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but also the 42 millimeter watch will have substantially
01:40:19
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better battery life.
01:40:20
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Apple has said it themselves.
01:40:22
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We don't know by how much,
01:40:23
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but it's gonna have better battery life
01:40:25
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and that's gonna matter on first generation smartwatches.
01:40:28
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So again, you know, going a little bit bigger
01:40:31
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than I would normally be comfortable with,
01:40:33
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but it's bringing advantages,
01:40:35
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so it's a trade off that's worth it.
01:40:36
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With the laptops, like we think the 15 inch Retina MacBook
01:40:41
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Pro is this big heavy laptop,
01:40:43
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But compared to the 15-inch PowerBook I bought
01:40:46
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when I first converted to Macs in 2004,
01:40:49
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this thing is light.
01:40:51
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Like it's four and a half pounds, that one was almost six.
01:40:54
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So that's a pretty substantial reduction in weight
01:40:57
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proportionally, it's much thinner,
01:41:00
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it's way faster of course,
01:41:02
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and has all these better capabilities.
01:41:04
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We're now saying, oh my God, this brand new MacBook,
01:41:08
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which is 2.0 pounds, is amazing.
01:41:12
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The 11 inch MacBook Air is 2.26 or something,
01:41:15
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2.2 something, right?
01:41:16
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So like, it's not that much lighter
01:41:19
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than the 11 inch MacBook Air,
01:41:21
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but we're saying, oh my god,
01:41:22
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we're willing to give up so much to get this,
01:41:23
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and the other ones now feel really heavy.
01:41:26
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It's all relative, it's all what you're used to.
01:41:28
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You know, making any kind of absolute declaration
01:41:31
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about something being too big or too small or too heavy
01:41:33
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or not the right size for you,
01:41:35
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that can change over time based on what you're used to,
01:41:38
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and it can change over shorter time spans
01:41:41
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you might expect.
01:41:42
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I just want to point out that you were complaining about all this fall about the MacBook sizing
01:41:46
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and then you took the opportunity in the after show to discuss big iPhones, a topic that
01:41:51
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I believe has been covered more than adequately by the show.
01:41:55
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And I'm not complaining.
01:41:56
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I am in support of you doing that.
01:41:59
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Just because we've talked about something before doesn't mean there isn't more to say
01:42:01
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about the topic.
01:42:02
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Oh, goodness.
01:42:03
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All right, are we done?
01:42:04
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Oh, we're never done.
01:42:05
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Thanks a lot, everybody.
01:42:06
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All right, let's see some titles before we sign off.
01:42:07
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- Thanks a lot everybody.
01:42:09
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- All right, let's see some titles before we sign off.
01:42:12
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- Oh my God, that was great.
01:42:14
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- I can do significantly bigger in the pocket.
01:42:16
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- Case lists.
01:42:18
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That's pretty rough.
01:42:20
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- Yeah, look who submitted that one.
01:42:21
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- Not to say it's bad, but it's pretty rough.
01:42:22
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- No, we're not doing list puns as titles.
01:42:25
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That's the Syracuse County of Casey.
01:42:30
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I like going into the black hole.
01:42:32
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- We are gonna do Marco Polo someday when Marco plays Polo.
01:42:36
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- I don't even know what,
01:42:37
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I know it's like a type of shirt
01:42:39
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and there's some kind of like stupid sport that it is,
01:42:41
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but I don't even know what the sport.
01:42:42
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- You don't know what the polo is?
01:42:43
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This is like the ultimate achievement
01:42:46
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in things that Marco doesn't know about.
01:42:48
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Like references you don't get.
01:42:49
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I made a reference to a sport that you don't know.
01:42:51
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- Oh, Marco.
01:42:53
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- But I'm now reading this Wikipedia article on polo.
01:42:56
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- You're learning what polo is.
01:42:57
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Everyone in the chat room knows what polo is, right?
01:42:59
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I'm not the only person.
01:43:00
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- Yeah, it's a rich people sport.
01:43:01
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- Yeah, is it like croquet on horses?
01:43:02
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That's what it looks like.
01:43:03
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- Yeah, basically. - Yes, yes.
01:43:04
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That's stupid.
01:43:06
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Why would you do this?
01:43:07
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- Because rich people, Marco.
01:43:08
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- I don't understand how you got to this age
01:43:10
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without knowing what polo is.
01:43:13
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- It has never occurred to me to even look it up.
01:43:15
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- I've never seen polo in real life,
01:43:17
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but I know it's a thing that exists.
01:43:19
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Same like high life.
01:43:20
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- Oh my God, the field is huge.
01:43:22
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- Well, they're horses.
01:43:23
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You can't put them on like a little basketball court.
01:43:26
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- You see this combination, this diagram of a football field
01:43:30
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and then a polo field.
01:43:31
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- Yeah, they're horses.
01:43:33
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They're big legs, they run.
01:43:34
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- God, this seems like a ridiculous sport.
01:43:37
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Why would anybody do this?
01:43:38
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- 'Cause you're really rich and you have horses.
01:43:40
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- Why would anybody have horses?
01:43:42
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- It beats like chasing a fox.
01:43:45
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- I guess, but I don't know.
01:43:46
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I mean, you have to start with the idea
01:43:48
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that it's okay to have horses to just run around on.
01:43:51
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That alone is a problem.
01:43:53
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- It looks really hard too.
01:43:54
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Like, I mean, you gotta swing that big thing while riding.
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Riding a horse alone is hard,
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and then swinging the thing and hitting a ball with a horse,
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it looks really hard.
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- Yeah, horses have terrible suspension,
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and I don't know.
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I mean like they and they're only one horsepower.
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