0:00:00Yeah retweet everything and then let's get going so nobody gets bored and leaves. I think we already lost that battle
0:00:05So, what are we talking about this week, so what are we talking about? Well, this was a big week and
0:00:12first and foremost
0:00:15WWDC tickets happened they did that was
0:00:18Interesting. It was nothing like we predicted at all. We were completely wrong
0:00:23right because I I
0:00:26know
0:00:28But I don't remember what I said. What did I say last time? I think I said that I thought I would get a ticket
0:00:32I did so I
0:00:33Was right
0:00:35Well, how about that?
0:00:37You know, I don't know. I just I saw it going very differently in my head
0:00:42I mean, I knew it would be quick
0:00:44But I think I saw someone who kind of someone who had the source that cannot be named that said it was 71 seconds
0:00:52yeah, they said like it was like somebody I guess had dinner with somebody who would know and
0:00:57And they said it was something like that. Yeah, that seems reasonable to me
0:01:01I mean based on what I saw that that seems right and that's just that's insane
0:01:05So my question are two questions really to you guys our two-part question is one as
0:01:11It has has been talked about in our little circle of life ad nauseum
0:01:15Is this sustainable and two does Apple give a crap anyway?
0:01:19So Marco, I'm sorry
0:01:23I mean, that whole line of reasoning doesn't make any sense to me, where if people are
0:01:30angry about how things went, they decide that it has to be some kind of neglect or malicious
0:01:36neglect on the part of the personified entity that is this company that somehow they don't
0:01:40care. They care.
0:01:44I think it's… Almost everyone who has a blog and likes Apple stuff in the last week
0:01:50has written something about WWDC and ideas on either how it could be fixed, whether it
0:01:56needs to be fixed, or what this means in the universe.
0:02:00My position is basically that, basically agreeing with Jon, and Jon you wrote this great thing
0:02:05about the lottery, how it basically is, it has become a de facto lottery, even though
0:02:12it technically isn't one, because even if you were there in the very first minute, it
0:02:18was pretty random whether or not you got a ticket,
0:02:20because there were so many server errors,
0:02:21as everybody slammed the server even
0:02:23from the very first few seconds.
0:02:25So it is a lottery now.
0:02:28And this is kind of-- isn't that the same way
0:02:31that Google I/O goes generally?
0:02:34There was something where--
0:02:35I never tried to get a ticket, but it goes fast.
0:02:37Yeah, I think it's similar in that it's basically random.
0:02:40Like whoever gets-- like the first 5,000 database connections
0:02:43get it, basically.
0:02:44So there's something like that.
0:02:46There's no point in that, because if there's
0:02:47There's nothing you can do to increase your odds than it is a lottery.
0:02:52I mean, you could say, "Well, there's something you can do to make sure that you have non-zero
0:02:57odds," but you can't do anything to increase them because it's just the luck of the draw.
0:03:02What hit on the database you happen to get when your CDN refreshes to have the new content,
0:03:08there is really nothing you—the only thing you can do is decide to enter or not.
0:03:12Entering means basically being paranoid for months and then being relieved when you find
0:03:16out it's going to be preannounced, and then sitting there at your computer with hopefully
0:03:21a synchronized clock and reloading the page a bazillion times.
0:03:24All that annoying effort is essentially you putting your little ticket into the box.
0:03:28Everything that happens after that is out of your control.
0:03:31It's a lottery.
0:03:32It's the world's most annoying lottery, because if it was a regular lottery and they just
0:03:36said three months ahead of time, "Put your name in this box if you're interested in WWDC,"
0:03:40then you'd be like, "All right, I did that."
0:03:42Then there'd be no more.
0:03:43You'd be wondering if you got it, but you wouldn't have to be sleeping with your phone
0:03:46next to you on loud for months at a time and signing up for alerting services and sitting
0:03:51there at your computer clicking, clicking reload.
0:03:53None of that would be required.
0:03:54That's all just pointless stress for the people involved.
0:03:59At that point, why not just make it an honest to goodness regular lottery where you say,
0:04:04"Hey, for this week, or for this day, we're going to sign you up, and then two days later,
0:04:08we'll draw out of a hat."
0:04:09I don't know.
0:04:11It seems like what we've got isn't right.
0:04:15And maybe that's just because all of the people who didn't
0:04:18get a ticket have launched onto the internet, like Marco said,
0:04:21and complained about it.
0:04:22But I don't know.
0:04:24It just doesn't feel right to me.
0:04:26And one thing I read was Dan Provost, who is co-founder
0:04:30of Studio Neat, who makes the Cosmonaut and the Glyph and
0:04:32other cool things like that.
0:04:35He had an interesting post, which I just put in the chat,
0:04:37about how you could do kind of a half lottery,
0:04:39half merit system.
0:04:40this, I believe he based on your post, John, where he had said, and I'm going to
0:04:45butcher the details because I read it a few days ago, but he said something like,
0:04:48"Hey, for some marathon, I think it was a New York marathon, you get preference
0:04:53based on seniority, sympathy, the elite, legwork, or charity."
0:04:58And so he said, "Hey, what if we did that for WWDC?"
0:05:01Where, you know, and his examples were seniority.
0:05:03If you attended the past 10 WWDCs, then you'll more likely get a ticket or maybe
0:05:08be guaranteed to get a ticket.
0:05:10Or sympathy, if you lose the lottery for three consecutive years, well, wamp wamp, we'll
0:05:15give you a ticket.
0:05:16Or elite, or leg worth, or charity, you know, there's many ways in which you could say,
0:05:21"Hey, if you apply, if you're one of the 100 or 1000 people that apply to these categories,
0:05:26we'll give you a ticket, but everyone else you're going in a regular lottery, tough
0:05:31nuggies."
0:05:32And I don't know if that's right, but I thought it was a very interesting kind of
0:05:35halfway to do it.
0:05:36I think there's a lot of problems with that.
0:05:40is it's not that it increases your odds if you fulfill those things. It was grouped
0:05:43into guaranteed and non-guaranteed. And the guaranteed people got tickets and non-guaranteed
0:05:47were all put into lottery, right? The problem with—
0:05:49I think that's right.
0:05:50Not the specifics of that, but the problem with having any type of things that human
0:05:54beings can do to guarantee a ticket is that all you're doing is shoving the race into
0:06:01another realm. And just 20,000 people would do what it takes to be guaranteed. And then
0:06:05it would be like, "Okay, well, to be guaranteed, you have to climb Mount Everest and save a
0:06:08a child from a burning building. I mean, you're just kidding. I have no doubt that all those
0:06:13people who are sitting there hitting reload would do the things required to be guaranteed.
0:06:18And if you oversubscribe the "guaranteed pool," well, then you're back to the same stupid
0:06:22problem again.
0:06:23That's the problem I see. The marathon, I guess the marathon helps a little bit because
0:06:28inherently it's a difficult thing to do. So if some of the guarantees are like, "Run a
0:06:32whole bunch of marathons," and that's perhaps—maybe if that was the actual requirement to be guaranteed
0:06:37for a WWDC ticket, you have to run three marathons in a year, certified." Obviously, it's
0:06:44not going to make any sense, but I'm saying, if the things—I tried to imagine what those
0:06:47things could possibly be, and I think the post went into them as well. What could the
0:06:52criteria be for getting a guaranteed ticket? If they're physically possible, people will
0:06:56do them, because there's that much demand, I think.
0:06:59Well, I think it's worth asking. A lot of these systems to try to prioritize people
0:07:06or give certain people an easier time getting tickets.
0:07:09A lot of them have assumed that loyalty is one of the big factors that matter.
0:07:13Like if you've got the seniority, you've gone to X past ones
0:07:17and you guarantee a ticket now or whatever.
0:07:19But isn't that kind of counter to WVDC and what it's for in Apple's mind?
0:07:24Apple loves having a very high percentage of first-timers there
0:07:28because that really shows they're bringing new people into the ecosystem.
0:07:30They're training new people.
0:07:32you know, there is some repetition between...