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you know something you put about like a a5x and the Apple TV thing however many
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I'm an idiot for that it's going into the retina iPad mini of course the a5x
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yeah I was saying it's a die shrink that's going into the retina iPad mini
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of course no it wasn't Anna saying the a5 he thought the a5x was going to the
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shrunken Apple TV yeah well he said that and he said he believes it'll be a die
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shrink which makes sense because the full size one would be too much heat for
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that probably. And of course, if you're going to have a die-shrunk A5X, that's going to
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be a really inexpensive way to retina-ify the Mini while still maintaining good separation
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for people to buy the high-priced one with the faster chip and keep those margins a little
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bit healthier on the Mini.
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Steven: The reason I totally believe it for the Apple TV is because you said it yourself,
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they're going to put the ones there with two of the GPU cores burned out. Because you've
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got four GPU cores in there, and it's like, all right, we're going to have a lot of parts
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where one of those four GPU cores is no good, right to the Apple TV, because it does not
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need more. Maybe they'll intentionally burn out two. Even if one fails, they will intentionally
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short out two of them.
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Right, because the CPU in the current one is an A5 with one core burned out.
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Right, and crappy GPU. So if you put an A5X in there, it's like, now we've got four cores.
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If any one of them is bad, we're going to intentionally burn out two of them just to
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save power, and you know what I mean? Because it's 1080p. It's the max resolution. You do
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not need four cores for that, right? So, I'm just, I'm upset that it's an A5X in all likelihood.
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I'm upset because the A5X is a shitty CPU for iPad programming because it, you know,
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it's four times the graphics power, but the same CPU power. And so, CPU-bound graphics
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operations become four times slower than an iPad 2, and that's really, really terrible.
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I don't know, like, for the Apple TV, I totally believe that it's gonna be A5Xs with stuff
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shorted out.
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Oh yeah, because the Apple TV doesn't matter.
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But if they then put that...
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But for the Retina Mini, the Retina Mini, I still think that's gonna be an A6.
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Yeah, I hope so.
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But if that's the case, then why, besides, I guess, having a bunch of extra, you know,
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binned out A5Xs, but then why would they put the A5X in the Apple TV?
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I think that's what it is.
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I think it's like, they made the iPad 3 for a long time, right?
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Not really, like seven months.
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I know, but they sold a lot of them. It's not like how many Apple TVs they sell in those
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seven months versus how many iPad 3s they sell. The mini wasn't even around. The iPad
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3, I guess they had the iPad 2 still around.
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I guess. Maybe because it's such a large die, they had a whole bunch of failures.
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I think it's because that chip is such a big monster that they had to have a lot of rejects
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and they're looking for something to do with those rejects because otherwise what are you
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going to do? You throw them away, right?
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Yeah, I guess that's true.
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It's basically like FreeMun. What do you do? You put it in your crappy low-selling little
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TV thing. You've got them laying around, they're probably telling them, "Don't throw those
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out. Just keep them on the side." "Well, think of something for those." "Well, here you go,
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Apple TV." That's if you believe that in terms of it. It seems like I looked at his investigative
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work and I buy it.
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I don't think he would post something that confidently without having good stuff to back
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it up. I believe it, too. That's why I figure the only two options, the only two explanations
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are using up old bin chips or upcoming Retina iPad Mini using that particular die shrink
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of that particular chip, but I really don't want that to be true. So I just hate that
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chip so much.
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It depends on how desperate they are. I think they are for Retina Mini. I always assumed
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a Retina Mini would not arrive for like a year.
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Yeah, I was thinking like next Thanksgiving season, you know, next fall.
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Right, exactly.
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But this could be for them.
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Apple's doing some crazy things these days. What the hell with the 128 gigabyte thing?
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That was a weird, like why now?
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- I've seen it, there's lots of theories.
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I like, my favorite one was,
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they just got off this, their earnings thing
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where people yell to them about their margins.
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You're like, fine, you want our stupid margins to go up here.
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We'll just throw in an even higher margin on my pay
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'cause the margins of that thing has just gotta be monstrous.
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- But no one's gonna buy it.
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- I know, but it's like, well, they'll say,
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look, we can do this, we can make this thing.
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If we make this thing, we're gonna sell
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a non-zero number of them
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and the margins are gonna be awesome.
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and they probably have some demand from some people who want it, so like, you know what, fine.
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Slap in 28 gigs, sell it for a ridiculous price.
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Like, what chance will that--because pretty soon they're gonna have to do the line shift,
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where they do like, okay, 16s are gone, it's 32, 64, 128, all for the same price points, you know.
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Like, that's gonna happen eventually.
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This is their one chance to sell 128 gigs with a ridiculous markup,
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and it's, you know, it doesn't bring the margins down, right?
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The Mini is dragging their iPad margins down.
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Like how can we pull the iPad margins back up while you put a higher-end model in there?
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Well, it's like it's off cycle. It's weird
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What if what if this actually it like, you know
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The same way the iPad 4 came out only like seven months after the three
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what if they really are moving to a more more like twice a year update schedule because the iPhone and iPad are their most important products and
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And they often get dinged in comparisons and the press and reviews and everything because they're old because they they're there
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shipping an 11 month old model against somebody's brand new thing with a brand new core and
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a brand new radio and stuff like that.
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What if they do move too?
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They always have to balance that.
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They're always getting dings in comparison to whatever the hell the latest Android phone
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is, but any individual Android phone, the makers want to be on the market for some period
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of time because you just don't get the economies of scale unless you sell it for a couple of
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months at least.
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So it's got to strike a balance between not being...
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They're just one maker.
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never going to be, except for like when they first introduce a phone, then they can be
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a little bit ahead of everybody else, but everyone else will catch up immediately. They
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just have to be okay with three months, six months of just being a little bit behind,
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because during that time they're like cranking on, you know. So I totally buy trying to go
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to an eight month or a six month cycle or a twice a year cycle, especially if they stick
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with the like 4S, 4S, 5S cadence where you just, you know, upgrade the guts. And also
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especially since like we went you know Edge 3G LTE in a pretty quick
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sequence relatively speaking there's nothing surpassing LTE except for maybe
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you know 802.11ac that's gonna have to be have to go in there and screw with
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the radio so they'll be able to iterate on the other parts with like right you
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know let's relax for a little bit we have like a world phone that does LTE
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and all these other things one or two more revs of that and you know it's not
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a total upheaval where we go from 3G to LTE and have to support all, you know what I mean?
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Right. And like the retina screen is done, they're probably not going to go with a more
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dense screen. Quad retina.
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Right. That doesn't make sense. They could go bigger, maybe, you know, and that's honestly,
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I think they have to go bigger just to keep competitive in the market. Like, I think,
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I don't think they have to make their only model bigger, but I think they have to have a bigger
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model because even though we all make fun of these phablet things, they're really popular. Like,
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yeah, people love them. I don't get it. It doesn't need to be a phablet. It just
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needs to be like right now it's galaxy next to the same. Right now it's like a skinny four inches. I think they need to have
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like a more reasonably like a you know a 3x2 proportioned four and a half.
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It's like the iBook G4 that was 800 by 600. Old people loved it. They loved it.
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Everything was so big you could actually see things. You could use your big fat
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old person finger to like they just got to make a 4.5 inch or you know iPhone
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same res. You know just blow it up. The screen will be I bet the screen would
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probably be cheaper because like the density will be lower so even though the
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screen is bigger probably cost Apple less money to make you could put an even
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bigger battery in there so that thing like lasts forever I mean you'll get all
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these awesome advantages. Well you know what actually so so on you know how the
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the LCD cutting theory kind of predicted the mini what if you do the math
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backwards what if you cut the the retina full-sized iPad screen to retina iPhone
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resolution, how big is that?
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That's a huge question. If you would, say that again.
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So the way we predicted the Mini was by saying, alright, if you just take the 3GS screen and make it the same
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iPad resolution, do it backwards from the full-sized Retina iPad,
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from that physical size, or from that DPI rather, how big
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would an iPhone 5 resolution screen be at that DPI?
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I don't think you need to do that. I think you just need to decide how much bigger than
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do you want it and just make the screen that big?
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Like I don't, you know, the screen cutting theory,
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the thing about the screen cutting theory is even if you
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100% buy that that's how the technology of manufacturing
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LCDs work, I think Apple changes their screen supplier
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like every single device because they're always chasing
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the next guy with the next best deal who's gonna offer them
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the better screen for less money.
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Like, you know, the LG, Sharp, Samsung.
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- But they also always have volume problems.
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They always are like short-circuited on screens.
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Like they always need more screens.
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Well, that's why they go with dual. They have multiple suppliers.
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But once you have multiple suppliers...
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But if you standardize on a couple of sizes, and if that cutting theory is correct,
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then you can dramatically increase your yields and simplify everything by only having two DPI's that you buy screens at.
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But only if you're sticking with someone...
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Only if the guy who is making you your Retina iPad screens is also the same guy you're going to get to make your iPhone Plus-size screens.
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And I think when the iPhone Plus goes out,
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they just rebid the entire thing.
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And they give no particular waiter advantage
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to the guy who was making the screens of the same DPI
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for some device, especially as far distance as the iPad 3.
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Like they just rebid every time, two best manufacturers,
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especially with the IGZO stuff,
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I forget what the hell that stands for.
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- Yeah, the in-cell and blah, blah, blah.
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- Yeah, whoever's offering that,
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if that guy who was doing the iPad 3 screens,
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whether it's Sharp or whatever, or Samsung,
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if they can't offer the IGZO thing, but that guy can't,
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I think they just rebid all the time and just set the suppliers against each other like
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dogs and just wait to see who comes out, you know, surviving.
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Like, that's the TSMC thing or TM whatever, like, get it back.
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Taiwan Semiconductor.
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Those guys like...
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There was an magazine article about them.
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Yeah, I know.
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Like, they're obviously so incredibly hungry, but just, I mean, you follow video card manufacturing
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in the ATI NVIDIA wars back in those days.
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They both manufactured it at TSMC and it was sometimes good and sometimes disastrous.
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So I don't doubt that they're hungry.
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I do worry that they're going to make a deal that Apple will accept because it's an awesome
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deal and then just not be able to deliver and we're all going to be sad.
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So I have two questions.
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Firstly, if you take a iPhone Plus that is not retina by standard iPhone standards because
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if and it's late and I'm tired but the DPI of the Retina iPad is considerably less than
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the DPI of the iPhone Retina.
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Considerably, isn't it?
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Like, what is it, Margaret?
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Like, one is 264 and the other one is like...
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It's like 312 versus 264, something like that.
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Well, that's somewhat considerable.
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So anyway, so if they make an iPhone Plus with the 264 DPI, don't you think they'll
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get raked over the coals?
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Be like, "Oh, well, this isn't really...
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No, it'll still be fine.
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It'll still be the old people phone.
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Old people can't see those pixels.
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My parents could not see the difference between an iPad 2 and 3.
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When I showed them right in the store in front of them, I said, "These are the two things."
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I made them get a 3 anyway, but they literally could not tell the difference.
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I intentionally brought up some text and I held it an inch from their face and said,
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"See how you can see the picture?"
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Like, "Oh yeah, I can kind of see it."
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It's like, "Just get the 3."
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But anyway, like, old people phone, I'm telling you.
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Things are bigger on the screen.
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They need it to be bigger.
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They need it to be bigger so they don't drop it.
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So it's like just bigger and heavier and bigger pictures and bigger place for their fat fingers
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touch. They love it. Bigger picture for the grandkids.
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The other question was going to be, well, does Apple really give a shit either way?
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You know, if they do get raked over the coals, do they really care?
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No, as long as they sell them. They won't. People will not complain.
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Like, it will not be, you know, it's like, well, it's not real red. It's fine.
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Like, you know, look at all the other phones that are 8 bazillion different resolutions.
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It's basically like, can you see the pixels or can you not see them?
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And 264 is definitely still in the not-see realm.
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Oh, yeah. And especially, like, if the phone itself is bigger, you're not going to hold it as close to your face.
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Yeah, that's what the old people don't like. They don't like to have the thing, you know.
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They want to hold it away, like the old people holding the books away so they can read it,
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because otherwise they don't have their reading glasses. They need to get it farther away,
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but you get an iPhone 5 at arm's length and suddenly you can't read the tiny texture.
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Honestly, I might consider getting one of the bigger ones if that was the option. Like
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if it was otherwise just as good, just a little bit bigger.
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I managed to go this whole Skype session without making a short joke, even when you talked
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about how they were trying to give you a mini, and now you're telling me you want to get
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the five inch iPhone. No Marco, you have to get the small one. It's the correct size for
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you. It's properly proportioned. It's arm and size. It's size for your family. Is your
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family all small or is it just you? Yeah, they're all small. So that's what I'm saying.
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You're the Hobbit derived people. You've got to stick with it. You cannot get, you're forbidden
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from getting the giant iPhone. It's too big for you. I just want something extremely nerdy.
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I have, I just made in Photoshop a quick image mockup, putting the right size rectangle,
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to myself putting onto my iPad it is about 4.8 inches diagonally. Yeah. I mean
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that may be a little big I would say 4.65 is as big as I can see them
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going for the iPad Plus because I don't know you're holding it in front of you. It's not that bad.
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If you printed it out can you have you have you held like I didn't print that I
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emailed that I emailed the image to my iPad so I could look at it on the screen at 1x.
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Honestly, it isn't that much bigger. Like, it's not...
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Have you held the Lumia 920? Like, the big monster Windows phones?
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No. Only that very first one that was not a monster. The 700?
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I have held the big monster phones, and there's something to be said for like... It's got
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like heft. It feels like you could fend off a mugger with this thing. Like, it's big.
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It's a little bit heavier, but it just fills your hand more than the other thing does,
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And I think some people just like that.
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I wouldn't like it because I can't imagine trying to stick that in a pocket.
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I like the small, thin form factor, but I think some people like the bigger ones, and
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it definitely gives a different feel.
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So you have it there on your screen.
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Cut out a piece of paper.
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Make your own little papercraft iPhone Plus, and then make a blog post with you holding
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it, and there you go.
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But again, he can't be the one holding it because he's hobbit-sized.
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Yeah, well, your wife's not normal-sized, is she?
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She's also small, right?
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She's actually taller than me.
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She's like an inch and a half taller than me.
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But give it to Adam.
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Because it'll be adorable.
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I love the fan movie of him watching the fan in the store.
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So you use Vine apparently.
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I do not use Vine, but I click on the links when your wife posts a picture of a baby looking