The Accidental Tech Podcast

200: I Had a Dream About the Mac Pro


00:00:00   yeah i think even today's pcs they can't [TS]

00:00:02   be that bad but don't have internet or [TS]

00:00:03   cardigan yeah i remember battle is like [TS]

00:00:05   you get a USB card ya know you've got [TS]

00:00:08   USB yeah but you know I don't think upon [TS]

00:00:10   my baby's alive six pci slot so it's not [TS]

00:00:12   a big deal [TS]

00:00:13   well you you would have a card for the [TS]

00:00:15   fast USB 2.0 card with like two USB 2.0 [TS]

00:00:19   and then on your motherboard like little [TS]

00:00:21   riser thing but all the party at 1.14 [TS]

00:00:24   your keyboard and mouse yeah then you [TS]

00:00:25   have the slow ports and plus plus the [TS]

00:00:27   ps2 park right because that's probably [TS]

00:00:28   what your keyboard mouse connected you [TS]

00:00:29   had lu2 ps2 ports and maybe color-coded [TS]

00:00:32   hopefully with the weather the teal one [TS]

00:00:34   for the mouse and the lime green one for [TS]

00:00:37   the what was that standard called the [TS]

00:00:39   standard that gave all the game others [TS]

00:00:41   only colors in the late nineties you [TS]

00:00:42   talk about with repeat the ps2 port like [TS]

00:00:44   the mouse's purpley they're color-coded [TS]

00:00:46   they're like pastel it when they got [TS]

00:00:48   colored it was like around nineteen [TS]

00:00:49   ninety eight or so and and that's that [TS]

00:00:52   there was a standard release by the pc [TS]

00:00:54   group of whoever they all agreed to use [TS]

00:00:56   these colors and they were ugly colors [TS]

00:00:58   so horrendous and theirs and they're [TS]

00:01:00   still in use today I think the colors [TS]

00:01:01   have not changed like the ports have [TS]

00:01:03   changed somewhat but like I i I'm pretty [TS]

00:01:06   sure it's still the exact seekers pcs [TS]

00:01:08   9700 color code for ps2 keyboard purple [TS]

00:01:11   and mouse screen [TS]

00:01:12   ya think that's a pc system design guide [TS]

00:01:15   where they're more than is like they [TS]

00:01:16   were all sorts of that was like the [TS]

00:01:18   sound when you hear ya color coding [TS]

00:01:20   scheme pc 99 perhaps the most end user [TS]

00:01:23   visible and lasting impact of pc 99 was [TS]

00:01:26   that introduced to color code for very [TS]

00:01:27   standard types of plugs and connections [TS]

00:01:29   use on PCs sky blue is USB 3.0 for Speed [TS]

00:01:33   no good [TS]

00:01:35   burgundy is parallel port teal or [TS]

00:01:37   turquoise serial port this i think the [TS]

00:01:39   sound ones are the ugliest like that the [TS]

00:01:41   pink light blue lime green like those [TS]

00:01:43   are always like the ugliest one on the [TS]

00:01:45   back of the case there are made every pc [TS]

00:01:47   extra ugly because no matter how [TS]

00:01:48   tasteful you made your case you like [TS]

00:01:50   they put a little plastic ring around [TS]

00:01:51   all the law do things just like a [TS]

00:01:53   rainbow ugly pastel oh my god the end [TS]

00:01:56   and then and the the audio plugs that [TS]

00:01:59   they'll be in the cables would also be [TS]

00:02:00   those colors so you can play with them [TS]

00:02:02   up [TS]

00:02:02   oh my god so like this is just a library [TS]

00:02:06   of horrible nineties colors right here [TS]

00:02:08   is that is like a tasteless person's [TS]

00:02:10   idea of solving a problem [TS]

00:02:12   users don't know where stuff plug into [TS]

00:02:13   on the back of their pcs let's color [TS]

00:02:15   code them all is is problem number one [TS]

00:02:16   problem number two is if we're going to [TS]

00:02:18   color called the mall let's make them [TS]

00:02:19   all the colors that all clash with each [TS]

00:02:21   other and we never imagined bicycle pc [TS]

00:02:23   ever made [TS]

00:02:23   exactly p cont nine it is our 200th [TS]

00:02:30   episode spectacular before we go totally [TS]

00:02:33   off the rails i like to have a [TS]

00:02:34   touchy-feely moment since i am well I [TS]

00:02:36   used to be the touchy-feely person chief [TS]

00:02:38   but since irreconcilable differences is [TS]

00:02:41   a thing I don't know if I am anymore but [TS]

00:02:43   i do want to sell mean that you got that [TS]

00:02:47   reconcile differences like analog but [TS]

00:02:49   with people who actually know what [TS]

00:02:50   they're talking about [TS]

00:02:51   with all respect to my curly home i love [TS]

00:02:52   they are you suggesting though because [TS]

00:02:54   you're talking about the three of us are [TS]

00:02:56   you suggesting that John is the [TS]

00:02:57   touchy-feely one on that show [TS]

00:03:00   john is a is the this is the Dark Horse [TS]

00:03:03   touchy-feely 1 i'd say but anyway we're [TS]

00:03:06   getting and we're getting sidetracked [TS]

00:03:07   again in typical ATP style this is the [TS]

00:03:09   200 200 episodes i've ever heard it [TS]

00:03:12   no but I wanted to take a moment and [TS]

00:03:13   genuinely from the bottom of my heart [TS]

00:03:15   thank every single one of our listeners [TS]

00:03:17   past present future every single one of [TS]

00:03:19   you those crazy people who go all the [TS]

00:03:21   way back in time to listen from the [TS]

00:03:23   beginning when they discover the show [TS]

00:03:24   later in the run for the 13 of you that [TS]

00:03:28   listen to neutral [TS]

00:03:30   i I'm sure that was sufficiently painful [TS]

00:03:32   and I apologize on behalf of all three [TS]

00:03:34   of us but but truly in in genuinely [TS]

00:03:37   being a part of the show has been been a [TS]

00:03:39   tremendous highlight of my life and and [TS]

00:03:42   has afforded my family some things that [TS]

00:03:44   we may not have been able to do [TS]

00:03:45   otherwise and it's thanks to all the [TS]

00:03:47   listeners even the ones who write as [TS]

00:03:49   cranky emails we appreciate you once you [TS]

00:03:51   read us lovely emails we really [TS]

00:03:53   appreciate you and and even if you [TS]

00:03:55   listen and don't write in we appreciate [TS]

00:03:57   you too so thank you from all of us to [TS]

00:04:00   all of you for being you and for [TS]

00:04:02   listening to the show and also on a [TS]

00:04:04   somber note if I can't remember my gmail [TS]

00:04:06   password there we go [TS]

00:04:08   this is going to be a short show can't [TS]

00:04:10   see the damn show notes but I just [TS]

00:04:11   remembered it [TS]

00:04:12   so we're good so what what is it that [TS]

00:04:14   makes somebody by a white car exactly so [TS]

00:04:16   here we go again [TS]

00:04:18   god you're such a day anyway it's funny [TS]

00:04:21   LOL looking back on that very first [TS]

00:04:23   episode of neutral eye [TS]

00:04:25   had I known that that was going to be [TS]

00:04:28   the first released episode i probably [TS]

00:04:31   would have started with a better phrase [TS]

00:04:33   my introductory phrase to tell you that [TS]

00:04:35   the world would have been something [TS]

00:04:36   better than what is it that makes [TS]

00:04:39   somebody by a white car all your dip it [TS]

00:04:46   seems about right what are you [TS]

00:04:47   complaining about that's like man I mean [TS]

00:04:52   I but are we really that different now [TS]

00:04:55   no but I would have had i had had I [TS]

00:04:58   known better at the time I would have [TS]

00:05:00   chosen a better introductory phrase [TS]

00:05:02   because if you think about I mean that [TS]

00:05:04   was my very first appearance on any [TS]

00:05:06   podcast ever and my first appearance was [TS]

00:05:09   was getting grumpy at you which again [TS]

00:05:11   maybe it's fitting in nature that now we [TS]

00:05:14   just sound better but it's the same for [TS]

00:05:16   the same people doing basically this [TS]

00:05:18   radio show now just be sound better and [TS]

00:05:21   the car stuff tends to wait till the end [TS]

00:05:23   of the show [TS]

00:05:24   yeah that is accurate because i have [TS]

00:05:26   been it was it is it is wild to me to [TS]

00:05:29   think and actually I was just talking to [TS]

00:05:30   a friend of mine at work at lunch today [TS]

00:05:33   you know I he was he was reflecting on [TS]

00:05:35   the time when the two of us where [TS]

00:05:36   jackals in the five by five chatroom and [TS]

00:05:38   here it is i'm talking with you guys [TS]

00:05:40   every single week which is which is [TS]

00:05:41   crazy it's bananas and and I'm very [TS]

00:05:43   thankful for it and again i'm thankful [TS]

00:05:46   for all our listeners and in this [TS]

00:05:47   touchy-feely moment is going to end in a [TS]

00:05:48   moment but but it is important to me [TS]

00:05:51   anyway and I think I speak for the other [TS]

00:05:52   two guys it's important to all of us [TS]

00:05:54   that that you guys know that that we [TS]

00:05:56   appreciate you [TS]

00:05:58   despite the fish that we play before the [TS]

00:05:59   live stream for every week we all like [TS]

00:06:01   you even John especially the people go [TS]

00:06:05   back and listen from the beginning [TS]

00:06:06   because those are the best people but [TS]

00:06:08   that it's a competition there's such as [TS]

00:06:10   so much important continuity that you'll [TS]

00:06:12   be missing out that don't do that and [TS]

00:06:15   it's becoming increasingly hard to do [TS]

00:06:16   that as time passes so better hurry up [TS]

00:06:18   and come through the back catalogue [TS]

00:06:19   those people are the best [TS]

00:06:21   that's the thing and because these [TS]

00:06:22   aren't 200 short shows you who [TS]

00:06:25   well the first like five were was the [TS]

00:06:27   first episode like 15 minutes or [TS]

00:06:28   something yeah it was like the [TS]

00:06:29   after-show of neutral week is recorded [TS]

00:06:31   one night and threw up on soundcloud it [TS]

00:06:33   was an inversion read through the [TS]

00:06:34   the show became the show the show began [TS]

00:06:35   after man but if I mean to think that a [TS]

00:06:41   that it was you know what was it [TS]

00:06:44   something like march of 2013 that we [TS]

00:06:46   formally announced that this was a thing [TS]

00:06:48   yeah and here it is it's it's December [TS]

00:06:51   of 2016 and with the exception of the [TS]

00:06:54   one crossover episode all three of us [TS]

00:06:56   have been on every single episode 4 200 [TS]

00:06:58   episodes every single week without fail [TS]

00:07:01   and and you know in the grand scheme of [TS]

00:07:03   things it's not a difficult thing to [TS]

00:07:04   talk to your buddies at home in front of [TS]

00:07:07   your own computer for a couple hours [TS]

00:07:08   each week but you'd be surprised how [TS]

00:07:10   challenging it can become especially [TS]

00:07:12   with like holiday schedules as we're [TS]

00:07:13   coming into so so I appreciate the to [TS]

00:07:16   you guys sticking with me and I [TS]

00:07:17   appreciate all the listeners sticking [TS]

00:07:18   with us and with that touchy-feely [TS]

00:07:20   moment unless you guys have something to [TS]

00:07:22   add [TS]

00:07:22   we can go on to a normal completely [TS]

00:07:25   accidental show remarkable and start [TS]

00:07:28   some kind of celebratory 200 episodes [TS]

00:07:30   sound this point in the podcast no [TS]

00:07:33   pressure [TS]

00:07:34   we could just make this a clip show you [TS]

00:07:36   just let you know just all the all the [TS]

00:07:37   wonderful clips from times past it is [TS]

00:07:40   the holiday season next step let's talk [TS]

00:07:43   about filesystems alright that's more [TS]

00:07:48   working doing regular show though [TS]

00:07:50   yeah it actually is really honestly I [TS]

00:07:53   could just sit here and bullshit with [TS]

00:07:54   you guys for a couple hours that's way [TS]

00:07:55   easier actually going back and pulling [TS]

00:07:58   clips that but I just 19 Safari windows [TS]

00:08:04   oh my god knows how many chrome window [TS]

00:08:06   still have open uh haha oh my god you [TS]

00:08:11   think about that of course is little [TS]

00:08:12   brother of course welcome windows [TS]

00:08:15   Oh dissen to the to the net i running [TS]

00:08:17   Safari and chrome all the time [TS]

00:08:18   oh my god why that the why on God's [TS]

00:08:23   green earth do you need more than 30 web [TS]

00:08:26   browser windows open [TS]

00:08:27   why is that necessary how many freaking [TS]

00:08:30   tabs are all 30 of the classroom now i [TS]

00:08:33   can close thing and microwave browse [TS]

00:08:34   wearing clothes like for the working i [TS]

00:08:37   can close the pages with the dates of [TS]

00:08:39   superclocked dates in it what's the [TS]

00:08:41   average number of tabs per window you [TS]

00:08:42   think it's like so you can still see the [TS]

00:08:46   titles like usually you know so like [TS]

00:08:47   eight [TS]

00:08:48   no that's tonight 1234 like five or six [TS]

00:08:51   like for example when I was looking at I [TS]

00:08:52   want to look up the dates for super [TS]

00:08:54   clock [TS]

00:08:54   I one window dedicated to looking at a [TS]

00:08:56   date that the super clock was was [TS]

00:08:59   released one window looking up the date [TS]

00:09:01   that system 7.5 was released and it [TS]

00:09:04   within those windows i have the google [TS]

00:09:06   thing and then I have tabs for the the [TS]

00:09:08   google research results that i thought [TS]

00:09:09   would be likely and then one of the tabs [TS]

00:09:11   eventually led to the answer that window [TS]

00:09:13   is done off to the side next window [TS]

00:09:15   well its got it why is it off to the [TS]

00:09:16   side it why is it not close so i could [TS]

00:09:19   refer to it when i just discussed this [TS]

00:09:20   and did the math in my head about what [TS]

00:09:22   the dates were only God so I let's do [TS]

00:09:26   some follow-up as as we always should [TS]

00:09:28   and John why don't you tell us about an [TS]

00:09:30   LG 4k HDR monitor fun fact buying the [TS]

00:09:36   modern new monitor for a new Playstation [TS]

00:09:38   I was lamenting the fact that it didn't [TS]

00:09:41   seem to be any place you could buy a 4k [TS]

00:09:45   monitor with HDR support you could buy [TS]

00:09:49   4k televisions with HDR but not monitor [TS]

00:09:51   is not like reasonable size small things [TS]

00:09:53   you put on a desk and LG just [TS]

00:09:56   pre-announced / announced that they're [TS]

00:09:59   going to have a 4k 32 ish or something [TS]

00:10:03   inch HD are capable monitor that was [TS]

00:10:06   showing at CES or something so you know [TS]

00:10:08   you're welcome [TS]

00:10:10   all I had to do was buy a monitor [TS]

00:10:11   announced thank you my new mac pro John [TS]

00:10:15   oh god now I haven't pulled that trigger [TS]

00:10:18   yellow it i had a dream about the mac [TS]

00:10:20   pro last night [TS]

00:10:21   of course you did i wish i had I should [TS]

00:10:25   have written it down or told to an [TS]

00:10:26   ancient bird Merlin style music fading [TS]

00:10:30   memory but it's something like Apple had [TS]

00:10:33   introduced a new mac pro that look cut [TS]

00:10:35   from the front of what kind of like the [TS]

00:10:36   trashcan macro the name of it didn't [TS]

00:10:39   make any sense to me in the dream it [TS]

00:10:41   didn't make any sense and I kept asking [TS]

00:10:42   anybody everybody who would listen in [TS]

00:10:44   the dream why is it called us and I [TS]

00:10:45   believe the name was something like it [TS]

00:10:48   was like a browsing computer like web [TS]

00:10:50   browsing like why you calling it a [TS]

00:10:52   browsing [TS]

00:10:53   pewter doesn't make any sense this is [TS]

00:10:54   supposed to be the new mac pro pro the [TS]

00:10:56   replacement macro what does have to do [TS]

00:10:57   with web browsing that was called and [TS]

00:10:59   when you rotate around the backwards [TS]

00:11:01   instead of looking like the current one [TS]

00:11:02   on the back of the the trashcan cylinder [TS]

00:11:05   with a section that was just cut out [TS]

00:11:07   flat and what it looked like you know [TS]

00:11:09   but the flat place looks like it was [TS]

00:11:11   like the back of an old pc you know what [TS]

00:11:12   the the pci slots with a little covers [TS]

00:11:14   on God a little bit of unfinished steel [TS]

00:11:16   guys what it looks like on the back to [TS]

00:11:19   steal like a big flat section that was [TS]

00:11:21   steel and I'd like the graphics card [TS]

00:11:22   with a little port picking out of it and [TS]

00:11:24   then to pci slots but didn't make sense [TS]

00:11:26   because the cylinder and there anyway [TS]

00:11:28   that's what it looked like it was gross [TS]

00:11:29   i wasn't happy with it and it was named [TS]

00:11:31   after something having to do with [TS]

00:11:32   browsing which didn't make any sense [TS]

00:11:34   see normally I cannot stand to hear [TS]

00:11:37   about someone else's brain taking a dump [TS]

00:11:39   in their dreams like I just I cannot [TS]

00:11:41   stand dream recollections because they [TS]

00:11:43   make no sense i tried to make a concise [TS]

00:11:45   like there was more to it but I had the [TS]

00:11:47   highlights but I will you know for [TS]

00:11:49   whatever reason I I will tolerate dream [TS]

00:11:52   recollections about the mac pro because [TS]

00:11:54   i'm just that desperate for anything can [TS]

00:11:56   put the mac protocol even want this one [TS]

00:11:59   just like I i'm still having like [TS]

00:12:01   flashbacks of the back of this thing [TS]

00:12:02   like a back of a pc shoved into the the [TS]

00:12:04   back of a trashcan it was some and there [TS]

00:12:06   was some crap what about like all I [TS]

00:12:08   guess the old back with like the little [TS]

00:12:10   you know the little light up things and [TS]

00:12:12   everything and the ports being on a [TS]

00:12:14   little curve is just too expensive so [TS]

00:12:16   just going with like the back of a pc XD [TS]

00:12:18   case but you know that i would still buy [TS]

00:12:21   it and you would still not buy it [TS]

00:12:23   I don't know and who knows what I'll do [TS]

00:12:24   in the future all I know is if if Apple [TS]

00:12:28   releases something that they call a [TS]

00:12:29   macpro even if it is only slightly what [TS]

00:12:33   John is interested in John if you don't [TS]

00:12:36   buy 1 i'm gonna buy a friggin one for [TS]

00:12:37   you so this way I don't have to continue [TS]

00:12:39   to hear you lament about how you have a [TS]

00:12:40   mac pro that's older than then my child [TS]

00:12:44   by quite a long stretch i should add [TS]

00:12:46   heasley the your macros like four times [TS]

00:12:48   older than my child is older than both [TS]

00:12:49   of our children combined that's true [TS]

00:12:53   re yea right let's move on before i have [TS]

00:12:55   to go find a bottle of vodka and start [TS]

00:12:57   drinking [TS]

00:12:58   I wasn't planning on this being a [TS]

00:12:59   holiday spectacular uh the headphone [TS]

00:13:01   ports / jack [TS]

00:13:03   audiosource bugs i think was Marco that [TS]

00:13:05   talk about this [TS]

00:13:06   an episode or two ago and and the way it [TS]

00:13:10   was pitched will given the information [TS]

00:13:11   we have at our disposal the time is that [TS]

00:13:14   it was perhaps something with lightning [TS]

00:13:16   headphones where I know I'm sorry was [TS]

00:13:17   John the process up wasn't it regardless [TS]

00:13:20   when you plug in lightning headphone [TS]

00:13:22   sometimes the audio doesn't go to the [TS]

00:13:24   headphones when you unplug them [TS]

00:13:25   sometimes weird things happen and I [TS]

00:13:27   guess we've gotten word that this may be [TS]

00:13:29   an iOS 10 thing and not necessarily [TS]

00:13:31   lightning headphone sing so do either of [TS]

00:13:33   you want to build on that was that was [TS]

00:13:35   the feedback started coming in because [TS]

00:13:37   my report was like look at this new [TS]

00:13:39   iphone 7 and this new thing is happening [TS]

00:13:40   to me and I'm going to blame it on the [TS]

00:13:42   new headphone thing because it never [TS]

00:13:43   happened with my old headphones and the [TS]

00:13:45   first set of reports that were people [TS]

00:13:47   saying hey I've got an older iphone that [TS]

00:13:49   has a plain old headphone jack and it's [TS]

00:13:50   happening to me too so I guess it must [TS]

00:13:52   be iOS 10 related not hardware related [TS]

00:13:53   and then eventually more reports started [TS]

00:13:56   coming and saying nope happens in iOS 92 [TS]

00:13:59   so i'm going to say that I was just [TS]

00:14:01   lucky i put this point that I had never [TS]

00:14:03   run into his bug and I just happened to [TS]

00:14:05   see it coinciding with my lightning at [TS]

00:14:07   once because so many people have said [TS]

00:14:08   they've seen this on iOS 9 and with [TS]

00:14:10   plain old headphones so oh well alright [TS]

00:14:14   fair enough so we also spoke about my [TS]

00:14:17   safari back in forward swipe issue and a [TS]

00:14:23   brief recap occasionally and this used [TS]

00:14:26   to happen constantly years ago I would [TS]

00:14:28   use on my magic mouse or perhaps on the [TS]

00:14:30   mat on the track that on on my laptop's [TS]

00:14:32   i would do on the magic mouse and one [TS]

00:14:34   finger swipe on the on the laptops it's [TS]

00:14:37   two-finger swipe and I would attempt to [TS]

00:14:40   go si back or forward page and the page [TS]

00:14:44   would start to animate say back so to [TS]

00:14:47   from left to right and they would get [TS]

00:14:48   stuck in safari would be effectively [TS]

00:14:50   locked and i thought that i was just a [TS]

00:14:52   unicorn in the bad way and that i was [TS]

00:14:55   one of the few people this happened to i [TS]

00:14:56   got a lot of people I I can't put a [TS]

00:14:59   number on it but i'm more than i [TS]

00:15:01   expected people tweeting at me saying oh [TS]

00:15:03   my god i thought i was the only one [TS]

00:15:05   it turns out there's more of us than [TS]

00:15:07   just me a lot of people said that they [TS]

00:15:10   had this problem and we did get a [TS]

00:15:12   handful of people that said and I [TS]

00:15:14   haven't had a chance to try this myself [TS]

00:15:16   that when used when safari freezes when [TS]

00:15:18   swiping back [TS]

00:15:19   you need to restore the page to the [TS]

00:15:21   original position by swiping the other [TS]

00:15:23   direction and then safari will continue [TS]

00:15:25   working you don't have to like quit [TS]

00:15:26   safari a reboot or whatever the case may [TS]

00:15:28   be I again haven't having corroborated [TS]

00:15:31   that myself but I saw that mentioned a [TS]

00:15:33   couple of different times so it's worth [TS]

00:15:35   trying if you're one of those sad [TS]

00:15:37   unicorns like I am moving on Andrew [TS]

00:15:41   Bucky rights in to say I'm a controls [TS]

00:15:43   engineer working primarily an automotive [TS]

00:15:44   powertrain and I'm based in the Detroit [TS]

00:15:46   area just for your info the machine in [TS]

00:15:48   the video that we mentioned last week is [TS]

00:15:50   usually referred to as a mill turn as I [TS]

00:15:52   can do milling straight cuts and [TS]

00:15:54   drilling a hole drilling done by a mill [TS]

00:15:56   and turning which is done by lathe and [TS]

00:15:58   the important piece here is that we were [TS]

00:16:00   talking about how this is a very fancy [TS]

00:16:02   crankshaft and how wild that is he said [TS]

00:16:04   cranks are not usually produced like [TS]

00:16:06   this that was either a prototype part or [TS]

00:16:08   a crank for a race car engine or quote [TS]

00:16:11   unquote hypercar usually the crank is [TS]

00:16:12   cast in the rough shape of the crank and [TS]

00:16:14   only a few millimeters of material needs [TS]

00:16:16   to be removed some surfaces not even [TS]

00:16:18   touched by the cutter in most every case [TS]

00:16:20   except low-volume parts machining [TS]

00:16:22   processes progressive width apart [TS]

00:16:24   passing through around 10 different [TS]

00:16:25   miltern lades bouncer polisher and high [TS]

00:16:27   pressure washer which is 5000 psi water [TS]

00:16:30   for deburring and cleaning before a [TS]

00:16:32   finished part pops out [TS]

00:16:33   so this is not a normal procedure but [TS]

00:16:36   man was it cool to watch that makes [TS]

00:16:38   sense because they're saying like if [TS]

00:16:39   this is how this is what it takes to [TS]

00:16:41   make every crankshaft this seems that [TS]

00:16:43   seems excessive things like not not a [TS]

00:16:46   mass producing and not a process by [TS]

00:16:48   which you make a lot of anything because [TS]

00:16:49   it just looks so I mean you know you're [TS]

00:16:52   only making one of those things at a [TS]

00:16:53   time and the machine is the size of a [TS]

00:16:55   truck and so it just doesn't work as a [TS]

00:16:57   mass production pipeline get robbed also [TS]

00:17:00   added something that he says I don't [TS]

00:17:02   know a single production car with the [TS]

00:17:03   billet crank that's you know these are [TS]

00:17:05   these are machine from steel billets [TS]

00:17:07   local ability Frank Ferrari McLaren [TS]

00:17:08   Koenigsegg all used forged abilities for [TS]

00:17:11   custom race entrance so it's not even [TS]

00:17:14   even hypercar stone use it only if you [TS]

00:17:16   are making an engine for a an actual [TS]

00:17:18   custom racing car like for f1 or [TS]

00:17:19   somebody [TS]

00:17:20   into this if you're making a hypercar [TS]

00:17:21   solid consumers even that doesn't give [TS]

00:17:24   you enough money to occupy a gigantic [TS]

00:17:26   truck-sized computer-controlled milling [TS]

00:17:29   machine for god knows how long it takes [TS]

00:17:31   to make one of those links indeed we [TS]

00:17:33   also had a conversation via email with [TS]

00:17:37   an anonymous amazon employee who has [TS]

00:17:40   tried amazon go and this email chain i [TS]

00:17:43   wish i could publish it because it was [TS]

00:17:45   fascinating and I'm not being silly i'm [TS]

00:17:48   being genuine thought it was really [TS]

00:17:50   really interesting and so this [TS]

00:17:51   particular individual they said that [TS]

00:17:54   they were in like on the cue to get in [TS]

00:17:57   the beta but weren't there yet and then [TS]

00:17:58   just like it the next day they said oh [TS]

00:18:00   my goodness i'm in the beta and then the [TS]

00:18:01   following day they said okay I've been [TS]

00:18:03   and here's the situation and so to quote [TS]

00:18:05   them just got back from my first visit [TS]

00:18:07   no rfid no slanted shelves to push [TS]

00:18:10   product up front no clear wait pads on [TS]

00:18:12   the shelves though all shelves are set [TS]

00:18:14   up to be connected to a network so it's [TS]

00:18:16   possible the entire shelf is being [TS]

00:18:17   weighed and not and not a single aisle [TS]

00:18:20   got it they got their receipt about five [TS]

00:18:22   minutes after they left so nor don't [TS]

00:18:25   know door clustering it had everything I [TS]

00:18:27   grabbed including the starbucks i pulled [TS]

00:18:29   from the back of the stack [TS]

00:18:30   I thought of you John said are anonymous [TS]

00:18:32   writer writer the entire ceiling is an [TS]

00:18:34   array of wireless sensors and cameras i [TS]

00:18:36   think they may be taking full radar the [TS]

00:18:37   store to track people and product how [TS]

00:18:39   freakin cool is that I would love to see [TS]

00:18:41   this in person waiting five minutes for [TS]

00:18:44   your seems like they just have a card [TS]

00:18:47   that are the service just slow or is it [TS]

00:18:49   always gonna be five minutes the other [TS]

00:18:50   doesn't stop people from clustering but [TS]

00:18:51   also stops you if you got accidentally [TS]

00:18:54   charged for 99 bottles of something you [TS]

00:18:57   bought one bottle of finding that out at [TS]

00:18:59   five minutes later you could be driving [TS]

00:19:01   away and i have to circle back so it's [TS]

00:19:02   kind of crappy well no because maybe [TS]

00:19:05   this was a private email just to me [TS]

00:19:07   because I exchanged a couple with with [TS]

00:19:09   this individual but they said that if [TS]

00:19:12   you look at the special app that you [TS]

00:19:14   have to put on your phone in order to [TS]

00:19:15   use Amazon go once you get your receipt [TS]

00:19:18   you can just do a delete swipe you know [TS]

00:19:20   so that's a right to left swipe and it [TS]

00:19:22   will immediately remove that charger or [TS]

00:19:24   refund you that item or whatever the [TS]

00:19:25   case may be I'm assuming since it's all [TS]

00:19:27   amazon employees right now it's kind of [TS]

00:19:29   honor system [TS]

00:19:29   I guess but yeah I just can't leave the [TS]

00:19:32   store and then just deletes I've [TS]

00:19:33   everything [TS]

00:19:34   just bought the great system but I mean [TS]

00:19:37   according to this individual it was very [TS]

00:19:39   accurate and and there was no obvious [TS]

00:19:41   witchcraft about it other than the the [TS]

00:19:44   ceiling or array of sensors so very cool [TS]

00:19:48   stuff i'm really curious to see if this [TS]

00:19:50   goes anywhere but but very neat this [TS]

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00:21:41   was it yesterday as we record we're [TS]

00:21:46   recording on wednesday the 14th i think [TS]

00:21:47   was yesterday or maybe this morning [TS]

00:21:49   sometime it's been a blur for me at work [TS]

00:21:50   lately apple finally allowed us to give [TS]

00:21:54   them a hundred an eighty dollars of our [TS]

00:21:57   money and order air pots right at the [TS]

00:22:00   end of the year by an hour after it went [TS]

00:22:02   on sale the date had slipped to after [TS]

00:22:05   Christmas and within just a couple hours [TS]

00:22:07   after that the date had slipped to well [TS]

00:22:10   after Christmas and well into the new [TS]

00:22:12   year I haven't looked lately at what the [TS]

00:22:13   date is I would just like to say a [TS]

00:22:16   personal thank you to apple that they [TS]

00:22:20   had decided to do this based on the one [TS]

00:22:23   true time zone which is easier and that [TS]

00:22:26   makes me extremely happy because those [TS]

00:22:28   those jerks make us stay up till three [TS]

00:22:31   in the morning or wake up at three in [TS]

00:22:32   the morning to order our darn iphones [TS]

00:22:34   and it was lovely [TS]

00:22:35   well it would have been lovely hat I [TS]

00:22:36   ordered some to be able to just casually [TS]

00:22:38   say yes I'd like one of these please [TS]

00:22:40   i've been awake for an hour to and I'm [TS]

00:22:42   prepared to make this kind of decision [TS]

00:22:44   meanwhile i should add a certain little [TS]

00:22:47   someone whose name might rhyme with [TS]

00:22:50   smell is sending me a picture of him [TS]

00:22:53   listening to our show in earpods excuse [TS]

00:22:55   me air pods right now that big jerk so [TS]

00:22:58   hi Mason smell it's good to see that [TS]

00:23:01   you're listening on your fancy-pants [TS]

00:23:02   earpods can take solace in the fact that [TS]

00:23:04   is right ear hurts [TS]

00:23:05   yeah did either of you guys order a pair [TS]

00:23:09   Marco I'm I know you did so i guess i [TS]

00:23:11   should ask you John did you order a pair [TS]

00:23:12   i did i was excited to really i was i [TS]

00:23:15   also i'm glad they did in the right time [TS]

00:23:17   zone because i was awake and near a [TS]

00:23:19   computer at the time everyone said [TS]

00:23:20   airports are available and so people say [TS]

00:23:23   our partners around when i click order [TS]

00:23:26   and minor supposed to be delivered on [TS]

00:23:28   the 21st yep same deal same with me i'm [TS]

00:23:31   looking forward to how much they're [TS]

00:23:32   gonna hurt my ears but i really only [TS]

00:23:34   don't know is I honestly like all the [TS]

00:23:37   apples here but and all all your buddies [TS]

00:23:39   have always hurt my ears enough that i [TS]

00:23:41   really can't ever use them [TS]

00:23:43   I'm hoping these will be different [TS]

00:23:45   because the immense convenience of them [TS]

00:23:50   is you know I don't care how crappy they [TS]

00:23:53   sound if they are comfortable at all i [TS]

00:23:56   want to wear them on a regular basis to [TS]

00:23:57   listen to podcasts while on-the-go that [TS]

00:23:59   will be awesome and it will be extra [TS]

00:24:01   awesome to just like you know their case [TS]

00:24:03   is so small you can you can bring them [TS]

00:24:05   like a you know like like all your but [TS]

00:24:06   people have always known forever [TS]

00:24:08   you can bring them like in a pocket or [TS]

00:24:09   bag that would otherwise be too small [TS]

00:24:11   for most other kinds of headphones so [TS]

00:24:14   you can kind of always have them with [TS]

00:24:16   you and that's something that I have [TS]

00:24:17   wished for [TS]

00:24:18   since I started carrying portable music [TS]

00:24:20   devices it's a click [TS]

00:24:22   you just always have it with you so that [TS]

00:24:24   if you find yourself in a situation [TS]

00:24:25   where you need it or wherever you'd like [TS]

00:24:27   to listen to something you can just take [TS]

00:24:28   your headphones out of your pocket and [TS]

00:24:29   listen and I've never had one that small [TS]

00:24:31   before because they don't fit my ears [TS]

00:24:33   but i'm going to really try to make [TS]

00:24:35   these work because I really want that [TS]

00:24:36   convenience for everyday walking around [TS]

00:24:38   to try whittling them down or something [TS]

00:24:40   like a carving knife good carved himself [TS]

00:24:44   from a bigger ipod the other thing to [TS]

00:24:46   like you know as as i have used my [TS]

00:24:50   iphone 7 more without its real headphone [TS]

00:24:52   jack [TS]

00:24:53   basically the more I live with the [TS]

00:24:55   iphone 7 the less I ever want to use [TS]

00:24:58   wired headphones with it again it it's [TS]

00:25:00   not that you can't do it you know you [TS]

00:25:02   know we know we can do it with the nine [TS]

00:25:03   dollar dongle but it is such a clunky [TS]

00:25:06   experience and such a limited experience [TS]

00:25:08   like if you want to charge your phone on [TS]

00:25:09   the plane I really do not intend to ever [TS]

00:25:13   buy another pair of wired headphones [TS]

00:25:15   that is intended for my desk ever again [TS]

00:25:18   so how amazing would it be like this is [TS]

00:25:22   casey's fantasy tonight is Marco gets [TS]

00:25:25   the set of their pods and put some in [TS]

00:25:26   his ears and realizes me you know these [TS]

00:25:29   don't hurt my ears maybe this earbud [TS]

00:25:32   thing ain't so bad and in typical Marco [TS]

00:25:35   style fast-forward two months you know a [TS]

00:25:37   casey have you ever heard of getting [TS]

00:25:39   your ears poured in getting like in-ear [TS]

00:25:41   monitors these things are amazing [TS]

00:25:44   that's not the same thing you're not are [TS]

00:25:46   not the same as 10 line now you know [TS]

00:25:48   city seal going into your ear canal [TS]

00:25:50   these are outside you know [TS]

00:25:53   I i think is a long distance to go from [TS]

00:25:55   ken Margo's weird-shaped years tolerate [TS]

00:25:57   tolerate plain old earbuds which is what [TS]

00:26:00   i would call these things too [TS]

00:26:02   can I get some crap shoved right up in [TS]

00:26:05   my ear that's a whole different thing [TS]

00:26:06   but also like any in your monitors the [TS]

00:26:08   guy I respect them as as category [TS]

00:26:12   I've never remember where the myself I i [TS]

00:26:13   I've tried I've tried a couple and i got [TS]

00:26:15   like the fancy comply tips and all those [TS]

00:26:16   things and and yet none of them really [TS]

00:26:18   ever worked for me but they also are [TS]

00:26:21   very different in the way they function [TS]

00:26:23   in the first of all there are very few [TS]

00:26:25   if any wireless ones and as you said I [TS]

00:26:27   am right now for for my needs away from [TS]

00:26:30   my desk i'm only interested in wireless [TS]

00:26:32   from this point forward and the other [TS]

00:26:34   problem is that they isolate really [TS]

00:26:36   really well they really block out all [TS]

00:26:39   outside sound and most of the time when [TS]

00:26:42   i'm using my portable headphones that's [TS]

00:26:43   actually not what I want [TS]

00:26:44   if I'm like I'm like walking it you know [TS]

00:26:46   around my town walking my dog walking [TS]

00:26:48   down more than you know from the city or [TS]

00:26:50   from walking through airport alone like [TS]

00:26:52   i will use these headphones on all those [TS]

00:26:54   times where I really don't want that [TS]

00:26:56   much isolation from the outside world so [TS]

00:26:59   I in your monitors are great for lots of [TS]

00:27:02   people and use cases that I don't have [TS]

00:27:06   no that's fair i in in case listeners [TS]

00:27:09   you weren't aware I've been beat marco [TS]

00:27:11   up for probably a year to now that my [TS]

00:27:15   dad has a set of custom in-ear monitors [TS]

00:27:17   that he had had done a couple years back [TS]

00:27:19   where you go to some sort of special ear [TS]

00:27:22   doctor I'm sure there's a term for it [TS]

00:27:24   audiologist oh yeah we're an audiologist [TS]

00:27:26   whatever the case may be in you and you [TS]

00:27:27   get a mold made of your ear canal and [TS]

00:27:29   then you send that mold to a company [TS]

00:27:31   that will make a set of ear phones i [TS]

00:27:34   guess they would be called that is [TS]

00:27:35   molded for your ear specifically and i [TS]

00:27:38   keep saying to Marco oh my god imagine [TS]

00:27:39   how amazing it would be to have a [TS]

00:27:41   speaker or a series of speakers the [TS]

00:27:43   millimeters away from your ear drums or [TS]

00:27:46   whatever the the receptacle is that you [TS]

00:27:48   need to listen to things and everytime [TS]

00:27:51   Marco said yes but anything that goes to [TS]

00:27:53   my ears as evil and doesn't work and so [TS]

00:27:55   that is the source of my fantasy is what [TS]

00:27:57   if this was the way to get marco to try [TS]

00:27:59   in your monitors and realize that this [TS]

00:28:01   headphone businesses just a bunch of [TS]

00:28:02   ways it's a total waste of time [TS]

00:28:04   we'll see time will tell listeners time [TS]

00:28:06   will tell [TS]

00:28:06   anyway in any case i am actually hopeful [TS]

00:28:09   that i will at some point receive a set [TS]

00:28:12   of their pods I didn't buy them only [TS]

00:28:15   because i don't i don't have an urgent [TS]

00:28:17   need for them [TS]

00:28:18   I I mean the holidays are coming up but [TS]

00:28:21   i don't expect to receive them for the [TS]

00:28:22   holidays by persons I did you do you [TS]

00:28:24   expect did you not order them yourself [TS]

00:28:26   that you sent casually send the URL [TS]

00:28:28   Theron or something [TS]

00:28:29   no no I thought about it but I didn't I [TS]

00:28:31   didn't I got a good plan for something [TS]

00:28:33   like that yeah probably not [TS]

00:28:35   Plus aaron has been going on and on [TS]

00:28:36   about how how this is going to be a [TS]

00:28:38   great Christmas and Hanukkah for me and [TS]

00:28:40   I got to tell you the truth I i did not [TS]

00:28:42   do as well for her this year so I'm [TS]

00:28:43   already feeling pretty guilty but anyway [TS]

00:28:45   to set expectations [TS]

00:28:46   yeah right so in any case I I think [TS]

00:28:50   you're my birthday's in march so maybe [TS]

00:28:52   i'll get it set pair whatever for my [TS]

00:28:54   birthday I'm but I definitely want to [TS]

00:28:56   try them i'm super intrigued by them I [TS]

00:28:58   think they look really really awesome [TS]

00:29:00   and i think it's it's a very aptly way [TS]

00:29:02   like this to me is the Apple that the [TS]

00:29:05   three of us love it in and i hope this [TS]

00:29:06   doesn't take a negative term but this is [TS]

00:29:08   Apple taking a thing that was annoying [TS]

00:29:10   but we all want most of us lived with [TS]

00:29:12   like the traditional bluetooth i am a [TS]

00:29:15   proponent and defender of it but i [TS]

00:29:16   cannot sit here and say it's perfect and [TS]

00:29:19   it's flawless it's sufficient and inform [TS]

00:29:21   me that the trade-offs are worth it but [TS]

00:29:23   this this w one chip and all the fancy [TS]

00:29:25   bluetooth stuff that they're doing this [TS]

00:29:27   just looks awesome and it's solving a [TS]

00:29:29   problem in the most aptly best possible [TS]

00:29:31   way and I'm really looking forward to at [TS]

00:29:32   least trying trying their pods at some [TS]

00:29:35   point of not getting my own set and i [TS]

00:29:37   agree with you Marco that that as much [TS]

00:29:39   as I'm giving you a hard time in your [TS]

00:29:40   monitors are not the right answer for [TS]

00:29:42   like walking around or anything like [TS]

00:29:43   that i had a sent to me a set of bone [TS]

00:29:48   conducting headphones i will put a link [TS]

00:29:50   in the show notes for the life of me I [TS]

00:29:51   can't remember the the name of them and [TS]

00:29:53   I apologize because it's it's right on [TS]

00:29:56   the tip of my tongue but anyway we'll [TS]

00:29:57   put a link in the show notes and I i I'd [TS]

00:29:59   are talking about I've actually been [TS]

00:30:00   meaning to try those myself but haven't [TS]

00:30:03   quite gotten to it yet [TS]

00:30:04   yeah well if you remind me I'm we're [TS]

00:30:06   going to see each other in a few weeks [TS]

00:30:07   and i'll bring you around that they are [TS]

00:30:09   they are not the greatest for music it's [TS]

00:30:12   it's a bit tinny which makes sense [TS]

00:30:13   because if you're not familiar with bone [TS]

00:30:15   conduction headphones way it works is [TS]

00:30:16   there's nothing over here itself they go [TS]

00:30:18   kind of [TS]

00:30:19   around your ears and press I guess [TS]

00:30:21   that's your cheekbones that are the the [TS]

00:30:24   bones that kind of stick out a work well [TS]

00:30:26   for your cheeks are anyways so they [TS]

00:30:28   vibrate your cheekbones which kind of [TS]

00:30:29   somehow vibrates the inner ear that [TS]

00:30:32   sounds really scary and sketchy but [TS]

00:30:33   actually it works really well in my word [TS]

00:30:36   for podcasting they are for listening to [TS]

00:30:40   podcasts i should say they are [TS]

00:30:41   phenomenal and what's great about it is [TS]

00:30:44   you can have them in and still be [TS]

00:30:47   completely and totally aware of what's [TS]

00:30:49   going on around you the aftershocks [TS]

00:30:52   tracks titanium that is the name of the [TS]

00:30:54   is the name of the headphones i'll put a [TS]

00:30:56   link in the show notes and if all you're [TS]

00:30:58   doing is listening to podcasts I cannot [TS]

00:31:00   recommend these enough and i think that [TS]

00:31:02   the air pods are going to fill a similar [TS]

00:31:05   gap except they'll probably be far [TS]

00:31:07   better for music now they'll probably [TS]

00:31:09   have a little more isolation which is [TS]

00:31:10   both good and bad but they'll probably [TS]

00:31:11   be far better for music so i'm really [TS]

00:31:14   anxious to try air pods hopefully you [TS]

00:31:16   guys will bring a set and in you know [TS]

00:31:19   i'll bring some like disinfecting wipes [TS]

00:31:20   or something so after I tried that they [TS]

00:31:22   can disinfect them but but i would love [TS]

00:31:24   to try them when we see each other in a [TS]

00:31:26   few weeks i am super amped to to see how [TS]

00:31:28   these are and see what the real world [TS]

00:31:30   says once they're out in the wild the [TS]

00:31:32   one concern I have is and i remember now [TS]

00:31:34   why didn't rush order the bone [TS]

00:31:36   conduction ones the the mean issue I [TS]

00:31:39   have with so many bluetooth headphones [TS]

00:31:41   is a lack of easy you're good or any [TS]

00:31:45   controls for volume seek back seat [TS]

00:31:48   forward play pause the it like it you [TS]

00:31:51   know regularly with the wireless you [TS]

00:31:53   have the clicker and clickers its own [TS]

00:31:55   you know set of challenges like the [TS]

00:31:57   various multi click gestures doing is [TS]

00:31:59   reliably is always a little tricky and [TS]

00:32:00   everything but the reason I've stuck [TS]

00:32:03   with my ugly sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW for [TS]

00:32:06   so long is because it has these big [TS]

00:32:09   plastic buttons on the right earcup and [TS]

00:32:11   like right now it's getting cold outside [TS]

00:32:13   so on a lot of my walks now wearing [TS]

00:32:15   gloves and i couldn't i can feel and [TS]

00:32:18   accurately push these giant plastic [TS]

00:32:20   buttons through gloves even and it's you [TS]

00:32:24   know one click for back one point [TS]

00:32:25   forward you know pick up food up in a [TS]

00:32:27   volume middle four paws like it's so [TS]

00:32:29   convenient and almost every day [TS]

00:32:32   good bluetooth headphone does not have [TS]

00:32:35   good controls like almost all the other [TS]

00:32:37   ones the ones the ones that are on your [TS]

00:32:39   over here they get all fancy with like [TS]

00:32:41   touch gestures and those are all believe [TS]

00:32:44   me I've tried so many they are all awful [TS]

00:32:47   that shuts the words like like i'll make [TS]

00:32:49   a little swirl motion with your hand to [TS]

00:32:51   turn the volume up [TS]

00:32:52   yeah that works really precisely like it [TS]

00:32:55   oh my god and there's delay and you [TS]

00:32:57   gotta tap again know it's there they're [TS]

00:32:59   so unreliable to so annoying [TS]

00:33:01   that's always a challenge of lieutenant [TS]

00:33:03   Andy you gotta figure out kind of [TS]

00:33:05   physical design problem like where do [TS]

00:33:06   you put the controls on some of these [TS]

00:33:08   and the air pods from from you know what [TS]

00:33:11   we know so far they only have one [TS]

00:33:14   controller gesture which is a tier [TS]

00:33:16   tapper DoubleTap i forget do you [TS]

00:33:17   remember which one [TS]

00:33:18   anyway whatever it is it's by default [TS]

00:33:21   and toggle Cirie and you can apparently [TS]

00:33:24   change it in the preferences to instead [TS]

00:33:26   be a play/pause button but that's it [TS]

00:33:29   and so I I do worry about that and I am [TS]

00:33:33   I worried about that with it as it with [TS]

00:33:34   all bluetooth headphones because most of [TS]

00:33:35   them have either bad to know controls so [TS]

00:33:38   I that I think is going to be [TS]

00:33:40   frustrating to only have play pause [TS]

00:33:43   control or you can ask Syria to play and [TS]

00:33:46   pause your stuff but that's I don't [TS]

00:33:48   think that would be good for for me to [TS]

00:33:50   remain positive but apple stuff so I i [TS]

00:33:53   think i'm not going to configure mind [TS]

00:33:54   that way but I you know I i assume the [TS]

00:33:57   dsi I guess the the design assumption [TS]

00:34:00   here is that maybe you'll want to [TS]

00:34:02   control things either all through Syria [TS]

00:34:04   which is probably not great or through [TS]

00:34:07   the apple watch or through your phone by [TS]

00:34:09   taking out your pocket everything and [TS]

00:34:10   those are all ok answers none of them [TS]

00:34:13   are as good as having actual physical [TS]

00:34:14   controls that are near or on the [TS]

00:34:16   headphones but we'll see how that works [TS]

00:34:19   in practice I i think the air pods [TS]

00:34:20   overall will be so incredibly convenient [TS]

00:34:23   that will probably be willing to [TS]

00:34:25   overlook the annoyance of the lack of [TS]

00:34:28   physical controls on them even though [TS]

00:34:30   that will be a big annoyance but i think [TS]

00:34:32   the comedians we'll just be so great [TS]

00:34:33   that it that will overlook that there's [TS]

00:34:36   another wireless dongle to be the [TS]

00:34:38   controller you got the year because I [TS]

00:34:42   mean as far as I'm concerned it's not [TS]

00:34:43   you mean like an Apple watch [TS]

00:34:45   I would probably take that in fact I did [TS]

00:34:46   wear my Apple watch recently just a [TS]

00:34:47   congratulation give it to happen but I [TS]

00:34:50   what's going on me but like I just don't [TS]

00:34:55   want the wire connecting because that [TS]

00:34:57   gets caught on things and it's annoying [TS]

00:34:58   so if and also like reaching into my [TS]

00:35:02   pocket to try to find the volume on my [TS]

00:35:03   phone I can probably pull that off but i [TS]

00:35:05   don't think there's any hardware button [TS]

00:35:07   I can hit on my phone that will advance [TS]

00:35:09   or go back right [TS]

00:35:11   funny thing i actually I prototype to a [TS]

00:35:13   while ago with overcast I i use the [TS]

00:35:15   accelerometer on the phone during [TS]

00:35:17   playback to try to detect if you would [TS]

00:35:19   just tap the phone in your pocket you [TS]

00:35:21   just hit the back with your finger and [TS]

00:35:23   try to interpret tap gestures the same [TS]

00:35:25   way you do it on a remote clicker and I [TS]

00:35:27   almost got a working you can actually do [TS]

00:35:29   it and it works ok but it doesn't work [TS]

00:35:32   reliably enough it like I i get through [TS]

00:35:35   to be good for maybe like two-thirds of [TS]

00:35:37   the time but that's not that's nowhere [TS]

00:35:38   close to have a reliable has to pee to [TS]

00:35:40   make it actually usable that 13 your [TS]

00:35:43   phone out the window but I actually I [TS]

00:35:46   wanted to solve this exact problem like [TS]

00:35:48   just I want to remote control my pocket [TS]

00:35:49   just go tap tap [TS]

00:35:50   you know or whatever it is just tapping [TS]

00:35:52   the back here at the back your phone in [TS]

00:35:53   your pocket as you're walking and you [TS]

00:35:55   don't want to have something I want I [TS]

00:35:56   want button sewing buttons that I can [TS]

00:35:58   feel buttons you can feel with gloves on [TS]

00:35:59   even but you can tap it with those onto [TS]

00:36:01   doesn't matter [TS]

00:36:01   yeah tapping tapping is my not not the [TS]

00:36:05   way the closet but your Apple have to be [TS]

00:36:06   frontmost right know if it's playing [TS]

00:36:08   audio i can get it can be continuing [TS]

00:36:10   right well anyway I'm I don't want to [TS]

00:36:12   tap anything i'm gonna buy anything but [TS]

00:36:14   sold on manufacturing sold the processed [TS]

00:36:17   that's the second one you guys mr. not [TS]

00:36:21   well I i get that is a reference I [TS]

00:36:24   forget what it's a reference from its [TS]

00:36:26   always on back to work [TS]

00:36:27   that's that's always been the movie you [TS]

00:36:28   haven't seen that's what is a reference [TS]

00:36:30   to like so many things in life well [TS]

00:36:31   that's that every movie right [TS]

00:36:33   real-time follow-up from Mason smell it [TS]

00:36:36   is double tap and you can choose to [TS]

00:36:39   either have that engage serie play pause [TS]

00:36:42   or do nothing at all [TS]

00:36:44   also Mason smell would like to tell john [TS]

00:36:46   siracusa that it was saying anything and [TS]

00:36:48   say anything that you're right now Jason [TS]

00:36:49   knows how are you can have to do nothing [TS]

00:36:51   at all it's a great option it's usually [TS]

00:36:53   excuse me it's mason that works speaking [TS]

00:36:55   with thank you very much [TS]

00:36:56   I'm impressed that you're that you're [TS]

00:36:57   keeping the street because I'm trying [TS]

00:36:59   real hard you have no idea [TS]

00:37:00   Teddy K so yeah so it's everywhere all [TS]

00:37:03   amped for our new head forward air [TS]

00:37:05   earpods earpods whatever we're calling [TS]

00:37:07   them headphones things you can't give [TS]

00:37:08   that strict it whenever I move on from [TS]

00:37:10   their pods uh if they have apple sold [TS]

00:37:13   like applecare+ for air pods for like [TS]

00:37:16   thirty to fifty dollars would you buy it [TS]

00:37:18   would cover well cover like if you lose [TS]

00:37:22   one of them are if it falls and you step [TS]

00:37:24   on it or whatever like instead of having [TS]

00:37:25   to buy a whole because i'm assuming your [TS]

00:37:26   only option is a one falls out of your [TS]

00:37:28   ears or gets knocked down and you step [TS]

00:37:30   on it breaks is your only option hundred [TS]

00:37:32   sixty dollars out of pocket to buy an [TS]

00:37:33   entire new set you can't just buy one [TS]

00:37:35   right so the applecare thing would like [TS]

00:37:37   30 to 50 bucks where you get you know if [TS]

00:37:39   you get you damage them to lose them [TS]

00:37:41   anyway you get a replacement for another [TS]

00:37:43   50 or some crap like that would you buy [TS]

00:37:44   that i don't think i would but I'm [TS]

00:37:46   cheapest health so I'm gonna try to [TS]

00:37:48   gauge is like you predicted you're gonna [TS]

00:37:50   have problems either losing or breaking [TS]

00:37:51   these things I don't think so [TS]

00:37:53   Margo my policy with buying extended [TS]

00:37:57   warranties most of the time is to not [TS]

00:38:00   buy them and then if in my life and [TS]

00:38:03   having to pay out of pocket for so many [TS]

00:38:04   repairs that it would have been more [TS]

00:38:06   expensive than buying all these things [TS]

00:38:08   you know up to that point then i will [TS]

00:38:11   start buying the extended warranties [TS]

00:38:12   from that point forward that your policy [TS]

00:38:14   is closed the door at barn door after [TS]

00:38:16   the horse is gone but it's my fault [TS]

00:38:19   she's basically like let me let me take [TS]

00:38:21   the risk and see if in my life I need to [TS]

00:38:24   pay this kind of insurance premium or [TS]

00:38:26   not and so far in my life it you know in [TS]

00:38:29   my entire adult life of owning expensive [TS]

00:38:31   gadgets i have almost never bought the [TS]

00:38:34   extended warranty and have also almost [TS]

00:38:35   never needed one so I'm coming out way [TS]

00:38:39   ahead basically have you thought about [TS]

00:38:41   ensuring your watches for either theft [TS]

00:38:43   or damage [TS]

00:38:44   I'm genuinely asking i'm not trying to [TS]

00:38:46   be snarky no I have I mean it's smart it [TS]

00:38:48   you know it's in when you have like [TS]

00:38:49   homeowners insurance that's a different [TS]

00:38:51   that's a different thing and so yeah we [TS]

00:38:53   have we have the we have we have our [TS]

00:38:56   jewelry items covered under the [TS]

00:38:58   homeowners insurance that you know [TS]

00:38:59   specifically like under like a writer [TS]

00:39:01   for them but that's very different and [TS]

00:39:03   way cheaper than 350 dollars for every [TS]

00:39:05   lap I sure sure [TS]

00:39:07   is it through and fifty dollars for [TS]

00:39:08   laptops [TS]

00:39:09   that I think for the 15 th i think it's [TS]

00:39:11   300-350 credit on my laptop's when and [TS]

00:39:14   so with apple like it so the the price [TS]

00:39:17   of the warranty does not take into [TS]

00:39:20   account the price of the options when [TS]

00:39:21   you buy it so like the warranty for the [TS]

00:39:24   base model mac pro that's three thousand [TS]

00:39:27   dollars is the exact same price as if [TS]

00:39:29   you spec it all up make it like nine [TS]

00:39:31   thousand dollars so if i'm buying lately [TS]

00:39:34   so for my imac i actually did buy the [TS]

00:39:36   extended warranty be cause my imac was [TS]

00:39:39   something like a 4400 configuration it's [TS]

00:39:41   like that like it as much as you can put [TS]

00:39:43   into an imac when i bought it two years [TS]

00:39:44   ago and the end it was priced at [TS]

00:39:48   something like 200 bucks for the for the [TS]

00:39:50   similarity so i did buy for that [TS]

00:39:52   figuring like this is a large thing with [TS]

00:39:54   everything inside and get this is a [TS]

00:39:56   really is very small percentage of the [TS]

00:39:58   cost based on the cost of the whole of [TS]

00:40:00   the whole item and so I figured like you [TS]

00:40:03   know the the the risk-reward ratio there [TS]

00:40:06   was different but on on almost [TS]

00:40:08   everything else I don't get it because [TS]

00:40:10   almost everything else doesn't make any [TS]

00:40:11   sense [TS]

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00:41:14   Marco had an experience today or [TS]

00:41:20   recently anyway would you like to tell [TS]

00:41:21   us about that [TS]

00:41:22   oh I went to microsoft store i'm so [TS]

00:41:25   sorry i mean really how was it [TS]

00:41:27   so I was in the mall recently I had some [TS]

00:41:29   time to kill while my wife and kid but [TS]

00:41:31   did something else so I when the [TS]

00:41:34   microsoft store and amazingly there was [TS]

00:41:37   nobody there [TS]

00:41:38   really seriously so crowded so I got to [TS]

00:41:41   play with the big surface to get a [TS]

00:41:43   display so stark aside i I'm genuinely [TS]

00:41:45   interested to hear how you thought of [TS]

00:41:47   this because at a glance this thing does [TS]

00:41:49   look pretty damn cool we talked about [TS]

00:41:51   this a few episodes ago i'm curious so [TS]

00:41:54   did you did you play with the tilt did [TS]

00:41:56   you play with a little dangly thing tell [TS]

00:41:57   us all about it so I did I i play with [TS]

00:42:00   everything so first of all the base is [TS]

00:42:02   way too light like it they at the base [TS]

00:42:04   of it interesting that they use these [TS]

00:42:06   laptop components like you know the [TS]

00:42:08   people accuse the imac being happy with [TS]

00:42:09   the imac is kind of a combination of [TS]

00:42:11   desktop and microphones mostly desktop [TS]

00:42:14   parts really the the surface to do is [TS]

00:42:17   really laptop components and the base of [TS]

00:42:19   it is very small and light it's a lot [TS]

00:42:23   smaller than you think and kind of [TS]

00:42:25   unnecessarily so like one of the point [TS]

00:42:28   of use i have it was like while tilting [TS]

00:42:30   it would kind of wobble sometimes [TS]

00:42:31   because it's just like the screen is so [TS]

00:42:33   much heavier than the base that kinda [TS]

00:42:36   out of it [TS]

00:42:37   I don't know why they had to make the [TS]

00:42:38   base so tight and so tiny and take all [TS]

00:42:41   the trade-offs of lower power components [TS]

00:42:43   to do that I think that was probably a [TS]

00:42:45   mistake but oh well [TS]

00:42:46   well I think part of their advertising [TS]

00:42:48   pitches that it's supposed to be easy to [TS]

00:42:50   move around like it's not supposed to [TS]

00:42:52   feel like it is rooted in whatever place [TS]

00:42:53   it is because you get you can imagine [TS]

00:42:55   having it set up on its vertical like a [TS]

00:42:57   screen it would be positioned [TS]

00:42:58   differently than when it's the other way [TS]

00:43:00   so i think i think they actually have [TS]

00:43:01   like a lazy susan on the bottom type of [TS]

00:43:03   things we can rotate I think it's [TS]

00:43:04   supposed to be light enough that you [TS]

00:43:05   don't feel like it is anchored to the [TS]

00:43:07   desk at the place where it's put that's [TS]

00:43:09   fair okay and and it i mean does feel [TS]

00:43:11   like you can you move around freely and [TS]

00:43:13   it really does feel what it feels like a [TS]

00:43:15   giant tablet it does not feel like a [TS]

00:43:18   desktop computer so I got to play with [TS]

00:43:20   the the whatever they call their their [TS]

00:43:22   stylist and whatever they call the big [TS]

00:43:23   knob the surface style [TS]

00:43:26   not sure it depends call but surface [TS]

00:43:27   style is the the knob cool so I got to [TS]

00:43:30   play with play with the the big knob [TS]

00:43:33   well I got to feel the big knob however [TS]

00:43:35   not improving none of the apps that that [TS]

00:43:38   I tried which was like something I [TS]

00:43:40   already forgot what it was and then I [TS]

00:43:42   spent a lot of time in lightroom and [TS]

00:43:43   lightroom did not support the big knob [TS]

00:43:45   so i did not get to get to use it for [TS]

00:43:48   anything really so i put the big knob [TS]

00:43:50   down and I just play with the stylus and [TS]

00:43:52   and using the end and the touchscreen [TS]

00:43:55   and this is the first time I've I think [TS]

00:43:57   ever played with a touch screen windows [TS]

00:44:00   pc oh no I i play with windows 8 1 back [TS]

00:44:02   into anyway so I have very little [TS]

00:44:04   experience with touchscreen Windows PCs [TS]

00:44:07   and i never use like a mod book or [TS]

00:44:09   anything so I've never tried a mac OS [TS]

00:44:10   either but I am I do have a lot of [TS]

00:44:12   students in lightroom and so I figured [TS]

00:44:15   let me try light rivers it's a program [TS]

00:44:16   already know how to use let me see how [TS]

00:44:17   it works on this thing I gotta say I've [TS]

00:44:20   really liked it and and there are things [TS]

00:44:23   I didn't like about it but overall it [TS]

00:44:26   was surprisingly good [TS]

00:44:28   like even using using touch control in a [TS]

00:44:32   desktop OS which everyone says is a [TS]

00:44:33   terrible thing [TS]

00:44:36   honestly I suggest you try it because it [TS]

00:44:39   I i'm not entirely sure i'd want to do [TS]

00:44:42   it full time but to have the option it [TS]

00:44:44   was kind of cool to be able to to [TS]

00:44:48   control lightroom this program already [TS]

00:44:50   know how to use pretty well and people [TS]

00:44:52   do things like you know when when using [TS]

00:44:54   a touchscreen you effectively have [TS]

00:44:56   multiple pointing devices simultaneously [TS]

00:44:57   so you know when you're sitting here on [TS]

00:44:59   a desktop using using a mouse you're [TS]

00:45:01   controlling one mouse cursor and even if [TS]

00:45:03   you get all fancy like I do when you [TS]

00:45:04   have a track down the left mouse in the [TS]

00:45:06   right you have to point devices your [TS]

00:45:08   sterling also only controlling one mouse [TS]

00:45:09   pointer and there's only one thing at a [TS]

00:45:11   time they can have that much pointer you [TS]

00:45:12   know that there's a lot you only point [TS]

00:45:14   to one thing that I'm going to click on [TS]

00:45:15   one thing at a time when you have a [TS]

00:45:16   touchscreen even the setup environment [TS]

00:45:19   you effectively have like multiple input [TS]

00:45:21   points at any given time you can use [TS]

00:45:22   your different fingers in different [TS]

00:45:23   hands so it actually was really easy to [TS]

00:45:28   work in Lightroom very quickly on this [TS]

00:45:30   thing and I i can see like it would have [TS]

00:45:34   been a lot better if it was designed for [TS]

00:45:36   it and I guess this is the case for just [TS]

00:45:38   big iPads [TS]

00:45:39   because they are designed for in the [TS]

00:45:41   star but it was pretty cool like and of [TS]

00:45:44   course I Eileen the whole thing down i [TS]

00:45:46   did like the the almost flat on the desk [TS]

00:45:49   screen arrangement to do most of this I [TS]

00:45:50   was it wasn't up if it's up it straight [TS]

00:45:52   up vertical then touching it makes no [TS]

00:45:54   sense i agree with that but when it's [TS]

00:45:55   kinda like drafting table angle it [TS]

00:45:58   actually worked surprisingly well and i [TS]

00:46:02   still really didn't like any part of [TS]

00:46:04   windows at all and it I wasn't confused [TS]

00:46:08   by it really like you know I used was [TS]

00:46:10   long enough i have a rough idea of the [TS]

00:46:12   windows vocabulary how to do things [TS]

00:46:13   because most of it's still the same from [TS]

00:46:16   from how it was back when I was no [TS]

00:46:18   winners expert so you know that the [TS]

00:46:21   Corvette is still the same and so you [TS]

00:46:23   know most of windows I still don't like [TS]

00:46:25   however if you are by a computer whose [TS]

00:46:29   main purpose was to be like a creative [TS]

00:46:31   work station to run a particular app [TS]

00:46:33   like lightroom or photoshop or like a [TS]

00:46:36   video editor if that app runs on Windows [TS]

00:46:39   without any kind of massive downsides [TS]

00:46:41   this could be a really compelling option [TS]

00:46:44   like really if I end and so because [TS]

00:46:47   Microsoft is positioning it that way [TS]

00:46:49   they're they're using this as like a [TS]

00:46:50   creative thing you put in a studio that [TS]

00:46:52   we were you you're basically buying a [TS]

00:46:54   workstation you know for the purpose of [TS]

00:46:56   running like one or two creative apps [TS]

00:46:57   like as your main thing as your main [TS]

00:47:00   role for the computer this is actually [TS]

00:47:03   pretty compelling but I I can really see [TS]

00:47:05   like it basically what you're doing [TS]

00:47:08   doesn't really if it doesn't really [TS]

00:47:10   matter that is running on windows like [TS]

00:47:12   it's one of the adobe apps it's it's [TS]

00:47:14   kinda cool and I did have issues with [TS]

00:47:17   like you know like room has a lot of [TS]

00:47:20   very tiny interface elements little tiny [TS]

00:47:22   sliders and everything and what they [TS]

00:47:24   were a little hard to hit with with the [TS]

00:47:26   pen sometimes but it wouldn't take a lot [TS]

00:47:28   of adjustment if adobe really want to [TS]

00:47:30   put an effort into this to make that [TS]

00:47:31   really awesome also windows like I I [TS]

00:47:35   don't know what the deal is windows high [TS]

00:47:36   DPI mode [TS]

00:47:37   I know it's a mess but basically like [TS]

00:47:39   you know with Apple you just 2x [TS]

00:47:42   everything with retina and everything [TS]

00:47:44   kind of just worked and developers had [TS]

00:47:46   to do a little work but not much and it [TS]

00:47:47   was great with Windows I guess they have [TS]

00:47:49   like that they have their high DPI motor [TS]

00:47:51   they can scale to any number [TS]

00:47:53   pixels and they kind of scale some [TS]

00:47:55   interface elements but not all of them [TS]

00:47:57   and so you had like ridiculously tiny [TS]

00:48:01   little text and tiny little checkboxes [TS]

00:48:03   in the middle of giant block of [TS]

00:48:04   interfaces it was very strange yep so [TS]

00:48:06   obviously up that I decide to but I I [TS]

00:48:09   tried to run my vm that I was working in [TS]

00:48:12   a few weeks ago I tried to run that high [TS]

00:48:14   DPI mode and it was really really bad [TS]

00:48:18   like some things were tiny like you said [TS]

00:48:20   some things were the size I expected [TS]

00:48:22   them to be the fonts were just not built [TS]

00:48:24   for high DPI like it was just a really [TS]

00:48:26   crummy experience as compared to the mac [TS]

00:48:29   where I am NOT trying to be funny but [TS]

00:48:31   everything really does just work the Mac [TS]

00:48:33   was gonna be that the way you described [TS]

00:48:35   windows as for a long time I get to I [TS]

00:48:37   think I remember I was WBC two thousand [TS]

00:48:39   seven ish where they were saying come [TS]

00:48:41   2008 resolution independence as they [TS]

00:48:43   called it then we'll be here so prepare [TS]

00:48:45   your apps and then 2008 came and they [TS]

00:48:48   didn't used to be a little slider in the [TS]

00:48:49   resolution you go 1 x 1.5 x 2x 3x and [TS]

00:48:52   you can just move that slide around and [TS]

00:48:54   watch every interface on your computer [TS]

00:48:55   break essentially got pixel cracks you [TS]

00:48:58   got things that are not scaling the [TS]

00:49:00   right size you get ugly crap [TS]

00:49:01   it was so smart of them to just spend an [TS]

00:49:03   extra few years fair figure out how to [TS]

00:49:05   make like that they weren't going to [TS]

00:49:07   ship it in a state where somebody could [TS]

00:49:09   configure their mac to look this gross [TS]

00:49:11   and so eventually the solution came up [TS]

00:49:13   as we all know is this 2x4 it's nothing [TS]

00:49:16   and even that was hard enough to get [TS]

00:49:18   everyone on board with but at least one [TS]

00:49:20   that works it works right and [TS]

00:49:23   predictably yeah that Apple definitely [TS]

00:49:25   been on the right side of history and [TS]

00:49:27   that one that the end because windows is [TS]

00:49:29   very much suffering from this anyway so [TS]

00:49:33   yeah there's issues with windows for [TS]

00:49:34   sure and and again like I wouldn't be [TS]

00:49:37   interested at all in this computer if I [TS]

00:49:39   wanted to if I wanted to be like a [TS]

00:49:41   general-purpose computer or my main [TS]

00:49:43   computer but again if I were building a [TS]

00:49:45   computer whose sole purpose was to be [TS]

00:49:47   like a photo editing workstation i would [TS]

00:49:49   really give this serious consideration [TS]

00:49:50   because it really was surprisingly good [TS]

00:49:53   and I went in there all thinking you [TS]

00:49:55   know a lot let me like taking mental [TS]

00:49:57   notes and how much everything sucks i [TS]

00:49:58   can be funny on the show but no it [TS]

00:50:01   actually is good like and I yeah I [TS]

00:50:03   wouldn't I wouldn't you [TS]

00:50:05   no I wouldn't say it was it was terrible [TS]

00:50:07   if it wasn't and here i am saying it's [TS]

00:50:09   not terrible it really it like if you [TS]

00:50:12   can tolerate windows in general it's a [TS]

00:50:14   really cool computer so what was the [TS]

00:50:16   pending latency like did you doing like [TS]

00:50:18   drawing in any of the drawing i know [TS]

00:50:19   that's a lot of that app dependent as it [TS]

00:50:20   isn't the ipad for example how notes on [TS]

00:50:22   the ipad is like perfect and many [TS]

00:50:24   drawing apps like I don't like a pro [TS]

00:50:28   create or paper a lot of those attending [TS]

00:50:29   or brush using your leggy but anyway [TS]

00:50:31   that one of the complaints that I heard [TS]

00:50:32   about the service studio is that the [TS]

00:50:35   parallax was a little bit off like these [TS]

00:50:37   the guys at the glam distance between [TS]

00:50:38   the the glass that you touch and the [TS]

00:50:41   place where the pixels are was enough to [TS]

00:50:43   make it feel weird and also that some [TS]

00:50:45   people said it feels like in certain [TS]

00:50:46   situations the the parallax glass gap [TS]

00:50:49   thing is a real problem it i didn't use [TS]

00:50:52   it for any kind of drawing i really only [TS]

00:50:54   use it for like sighs some apple [TS]

00:50:56   launched by two seconds and I could I [TS]

00:50:57   can figure out and then I just want to [TS]

00:50:59   like rumors that you had to use that [TS]

00:51:00   button so i was mainly using the pen [TS]

00:51:02   tool i dragged around sliders and stuff [TS]

00:51:04   so for that basically using it as a as a [TS]

00:51:06   precision mouse pointer it's great and [TS]

00:51:08   and in fact i really enjoyed doing that [TS]

00:51:12   because like in the same hand that I had [TS]

00:51:15   the pen in here i have his fingers doing [TS]

00:51:17   nothing and so if i wanted to like you [TS]

00:51:19   know you do like the one of the pictures [TS]

00:51:21   just my other fingers it mostly worked [TS]

00:51:23   great and like palm recognition was [TS]

00:51:26   great [TS]

00:51:27   distinguishing between pen and touch was [TS]

00:51:29   great there was I don't think in my [TS]

00:51:31   panic i pray you sir for 10 minutes [TS]

00:51:34   I don't think there was a single time [TS]

00:51:36   when it misinterpreted one of my inputs [TS]

00:51:40   like it seemed like it was really really [TS]

00:51:43   quite good at that for latency is tough [TS]

00:51:46   to judge because remember when the ipad [TS]

00:51:47   pro came out with the pencil latency [TS]

00:51:50   varies a lot by the application it you [TS]

00:51:53   know really depends a lot of what you're [TS]

00:51:54   doing in the app so it was easy with the [TS]

00:51:56   Apple pencil that you know to to be like [TS]

00:51:58   oh you can measure with notes example [TS]

00:51:59   did a lot of work to make notes really [TS]

00:52:00   fast and I with the note sketching thing [TS]

00:52:02   you can also go and look at one of the [TS]

00:52:04   fancier our taps their brushes were way [TS]

00:52:06   slower and wail a gear on the same [TS]

00:52:09   hardware at the same time just give [TS]

00:52:11   their apples and as optimizer it was [TS]

00:52:12   doing way more complex rendering and so [TS]

00:52:15   I I can't really judge the surface to do [TS]

00:52:17   in that way [TS]

00:52:18   I can judge how how the pen was an ass [TS]

00:52:21   pointer to adjust sliders in lightroom [TS]

00:52:22   and it was great and it was also really [TS]

00:52:24   nice to have like the pen slider in my [TS]

00:52:26   right hand you know that depending on [TS]

00:52:27   the slider my right hand and using my [TS]

00:52:29   left hand to pinch and zoom and pan [TS]

00:52:31   around the photos editing as i drag the [TS]

00:52:33   slider i mean again like to have that [TS]

00:52:35   kind of multiple input multiple [TS]

00:52:36   multifunction having multiple pointing [TS]

00:52:38   devices is really compelling when it's [TS]

00:52:41   done well and I i have never felt that [TS]

00:52:44   productive on an iPad mostly because [TS]

00:52:46   like you know the the kind of apps I use [TS]

00:52:48   for high-end creative needs aren't [TS]

00:52:51   really on the ipad yes there's like [TS]

00:52:52   romantic but it's kinda crappy it's not [TS]

00:52:55   really the same thing and also like [TS]

00:52:58   that's not you know it's the hardware is [TS]

00:53:00   not quite up to speed to to manage like [TS]

00:53:02   giant photos and stuff like that so like [TS]

00:53:04   iPads don't get this kind of use from me [TS]

00:53:06   and from from i think most people who [TS]

00:53:07   are dealing with this high-end creative [TS]

00:53:08   use right now but in the future if there [TS]

00:53:13   is a huge ipad that even you know even [TS]

00:53:15   bigger the point you know that like now [TS]

00:53:17   I finally get why you would want to [TS]

00:53:20   giant iPad like even bigger than fine [TS]

00:53:22   like why you want to 27 I finally [TS]

00:53:24   understand that now you know it would be [TS]

00:53:27   a desktop and it would be fine like I I [TS]

00:53:29   totally get it so overall without [TS]

00:53:32   drawing without too much longer I really [TS]

00:53:33   just I just wanted to say like I was [TS]

00:53:36   blown away by how good it was and i'm [TS]

00:53:39   not going to go out and buy one because [TS]

00:53:40   i really have a need in my life for a [TS]

00:53:43   like single-purpose workstation computer [TS]

00:53:45   that's like a lightroom station like i [TS]

00:53:47   don't i don't need that [TS]

00:53:49   but if i needed that I'd probably buy [TS]

00:53:51   one of these all my arguing off forever [TS]

00:53:53   over so many episodes so many hours and [TS]

00:53:56   the thing that convinced you is going to [TS]

00:53:58   microsoft store using one and not even [TS]

00:54:00   drawing on it [TS]

00:54:01   there you go tigers on store I can't [TS]

00:54:03   just hand thing and you say you know [TS]

00:54:05   what I want to do I want to don't want [TS]

00:54:07   to use the pen as a mouse cursor in life [TS]

00:54:10   and application is not even optimized [TS]

00:54:12   for touch but hey whatever works for you [TS]

00:54:13   whatever works too i guess I just wasn't [TS]

00:54:15   convincing as it should have pictures it [TS]

00:54:17   think of this mark [TS]

00:54:18   imagine if using Lightroom a non-touch [TS]

00:54:20   optimized app and use the pen is a mouse [TS]

00:54:22   now would you buy one [TS]

00:54:23   yeah now i find that convincing know [TS]

00:54:25   honestly like really you know it's it's [TS]

00:54:27   very tactile until I actually did it and [TS]

00:54:30   and you [TS]

00:54:31   used it and tried and and especially [TS]

00:54:33   because i was using an app but i already [TS]

00:54:35   had to use i was already fast with i was [TS]

00:54:37   able to really see how much this kind of [TS]

00:54:41   interaction can help because I wasn't [TS]

00:54:43   just trying to figure out a brand-new [TS]

00:54:44   after the first time I'm stumbling [TS]

00:54:45   around going off slow and do this is [TS]

00:54:47   because not only was actually you know [TS]

00:54:49   going through things that I do in this [TS]

00:54:51   app things already know how to do and [TS]

00:54:54   and workflows that I have i'll try this [TS]

00:54:56   then do this then do this way I could I [TS]

00:54:58   could get it get an idea of like is this [TS]

00:55:00   is actually more productive is this you [TS]

00:55:02   know is doing what the upside for the [TS]

00:55:04   downsides and honestly I had a hard time [TS]

00:55:06   finding downsides the daily downsize [TS]

00:55:08   windows so you're gonna make your all [TS]

00:55:10   your audio editor application for [TS]

00:55:12   Windows now the surface to do because [TS]

00:55:14   imagine how awesome that would be as I [TS]

00:55:16   said many times your audio editing [TS]

00:55:17   application on the big giant touchscreen [TS]

00:55:19   i have actually thought about like it i [TS]

00:55:22   saw i don't know work on your idea [TS]

00:55:24   better so far guy i have a conference in [TS]

00:55:26   my head yeah but I've done no actual [TS]

00:55:27   coding so the options totally open of [TS]

00:55:29   where i would actually do this if I ever [TS]

00:55:31   choose to do it and my main debate point [TS]

00:55:34   in my head was like should i do this on [TS]

00:55:35   the ipad or on the mac and I've been [TS]

00:55:38   leaning towards Mac but I i gotta say [TS]

00:55:40   the the appeal of doing this kind of [TS]

00:55:42   thing with multi-touch it is something [TS]

00:55:46   and maybe the touch bar on the Mac would [TS]

00:55:48   be enough [TS]

00:55:48   I don't know but but i do think it is [TS]

00:55:51   worth four for all of us in in the mac [TS]

00:55:55   commenters fear who I apologize [TS]

00:55:58   whoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo written off the [TS]

00:56:01   idea of touch screens on the desktop [TS]

00:56:04   like you know it's easy to just kinda [TS]

00:56:06   like repeat the kind of kind of the [TS]

00:56:08   company line where the party line of [TS]

00:56:11   like no you that's a bad idea you [TS]

00:56:12   shouldn't like we don't need that the [TS]

00:56:14   desktop system does have nobody to touch [TS]

00:56:15   screen pc i think that is that is a bad [TS]

00:56:20   assumption it is possible to do this [TS]

00:56:22   well and Microsoft already almost has if [TS]

00:56:26   the software ecosystem was better on [TS]

00:56:27   Windows it would be incredible [TS]

00:56:30   it's not because and the software [TS]

00:56:32   systems kind of thing that doesn't you [TS]

00:56:34   know that doesn't turn on a dime a dozen [TS]

00:56:35   all the sudden become perfect you know [TS]

00:56:38   in in six months just because microsoft [TS]

00:56:40   releases one desktop the very few people [TS]

00:56:41   probably by but [TS]

00:56:44   I don't think we can say with confidence [TS]

00:56:46   that Apple should never do something [TS]

00:56:49   like the surface studio interesting you [TS]

00:56:52   just say I'm right that's all right [TS]

00:56:53   you're gonna shut this hashtag John's [TS]

00:56:56   right arm was right again go ahead by a [TS]

00:56:59   so how funny would it be if it ends up [TS]

00:57:03   that during the run of the show like [TS]

00:57:05   neutral had the Ark of you deciding upon [TS]

00:57:08   purchasing and receiving an m5 is the [TS]

00:57:11   Ark of the accidental text podcast for [TS]

00:57:13   me to finally abandoned dotnet and [TS]

00:57:16   windows only to have you go crawling [TS]

00:57:18   back to windows and then suddenly become [TS]

00:57:20   Hittite net developer because that would [TS]

00:57:22   be funny [TS]

00:57:23   I i was saying that Microsoft wants to [TS]

00:57:25   send review units my nine-year-old [TS]

00:57:26   daughter loves to draw with love to try [TS]

00:57:29   out a surface to do [TS]

00:57:30   yes because I'm sure so many Microsoft [TS]

00:57:32   employees listen to the show you a lot [TS]

00:57:34   of nine-year-olds have [TS]

00:57:35   three-thousand-dollar 28 inch tablet [TS]

00:57:36   computers that's better at all the kids [TS]

00:57:38   have these days [TS]

00:57:38   the other thing is like if i were to buy [TS]

00:57:40   it like if I wanted 144 my stated i [TS]

00:57:43   stated idea of like having it be a [TS]

00:57:44   lightroom workstation I would want a [TS]

00:57:47   more powerful computer for it like i [TS]

00:57:48   would i would much rather hear what [TS]

00:57:50   service studio pro right like i would [TS]

00:57:53   much rather have the the monitor part [TS]

00:57:56   just be a monitor that I could plug into [TS]

00:57:58   any pc and then by like a ridiculous [TS]

00:58:00   xeon workstation with like 12 cores and [TS]

00:58:03   and have that be my crazy importer and [TS]

00:58:06   processor because lightroom is very well [TS]

00:58:08   paralyzed for all of its operations and [TS]

00:58:10   then would actually use that power and [TS]

00:58:11   really needs extra speed so that's that [TS]

00:58:14   is it one it's a little odd that they [TS]

00:58:15   don't have like a standard option yet [TS]

00:58:17   but i would imagine like if for some [TS]

00:58:19   reason a lot of people buy this thing [TS]

00:58:21   maybe they'll go that direction released [TS]

00:58:22   as a product and you know the good thing [TS]

00:58:24   about the windows ecosystem is that [TS]

00:58:25   other people could basically do that and [TS]

00:58:27   it would probably be alright so what you [TS]

00:58:29   need is a xeon pcz on workstation that [TS]

00:58:32   comes in a case it looks identical to [TS]

00:58:34   one of your weird German amplifier [TS]

00:58:36   thingamabobber that you've already got [TS]

00:58:38   on your desk so you just good looking at [TS]

00:58:40   different the only difference is you [TS]

00:58:41   just take your screen and tilt it down [TS]

00:58:42   and wax on kvm with your toe or [TS]

00:58:45   something all of a sudden you're running [TS]

00:58:46   off of your aluminum amplifier tube [TS]

00:58:50   thing that's really a pc yeah maybe so [TS]

00:58:53   question for you having experienced this [TS]

00:58:55   touchscreen p [TS]

00:58:57   see which I think it is important to [TS]

00:58:59   note that that if its pitch the way an [TS]

00:59:03   imac is pitched it you said that you [TS]

00:59:06   didn't really care for the touch screen [TS]

00:59:07   features that way only when it was in [TS]

00:59:08   kind of diesel motor or drafting table [TS]

00:59:11   mode is that fair [TS]

00:59:12   yeah okay so that being said now that [TS]

00:59:15   you've seen a touchscreen pc and said [TS]

00:59:17   yeah maybe it's not so bad [TS]

00:59:19   does that change your opinion on the [TS]

00:59:21   touch bar for better for worse or [TS]

00:59:22   otherwise i still think it's way too [TS]

00:59:26   early to say so and it also very much [TS]

00:59:30   depends on the app and and what they're [TS]

00:59:32   using the touch bar for you know in in [TS]

00:59:34   my YouTube review like comment subscribe [TS]

00:59:35   my main focus on the touch bar is it is [TS]

00:59:40   it is not good as a row of buttons if I [TS]

00:59:42   have to look at it I have failed the [TS]

00:59:45   touch bars best as a sliding door [TS]

00:59:48   panting surface you know and it does [TS]

00:59:50   support multitouch like a sport so you [TS]

00:59:51   could do a pinch gesture on it but you [TS]

00:59:53   could also just on the trackpad below so [TS]

00:59:55   it kinda like a I don't know like how it [TS]

00:59:59   again [TS]

00:59:59   again [TS]

01:00:00   depends on the app i don't know like [TS]

01:00:01   what makes sense to do in the touch bar [TS]

01:00:03   versus using the trackpad if you know [TS]

01:00:06   some apps you know as I mentioned it's [TS]

01:00:07   nice to have multiple simultaneous touch [TS]

01:00:10   input surfaces so one thing you could do [TS]

01:00:12   is have your left hand on the touch bar [TS]

01:00:14   have your right hand the trackpad and [TS]

01:00:15   have that be two different inputs for [TS]

01:00:17   you know things like panning a timeline [TS]

01:00:19   vs moving the playhead like stuff like [TS]

01:00:21   that is all sorts of of stuff you could [TS]

01:00:22   do in in creative pro apps and lots of [TS]

01:00:25   apps to make use of that it's way too [TS]

01:00:27   early to tell for sure now what works [TS]

01:00:31   and what doesn't [TS]

01:00:32   long-term but certainly meet my [TS]

01:00:34   immediate upfront impression might my [TS]

01:00:37   early youth impression of the touch bar [TS]

01:00:38   is if its row of buttons i never use it [TS]

01:00:41   but when it's used as some kind of big [TS]

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01:02:14   you're listening to this today or [TS]

01:02:17   perhaps yesterday that Super Mario run [TS]

01:02:20   has been released to the App Store and I [TS]

01:02:23   hope you're not getting on an airplane [TS]

01:02:25   because you won't be able to play it [TS]

01:02:27   because it is online only you must [TS]

01:02:29   maintain a connection to the internet in [TS]

01:02:31   order to play what what is that about [TS]

01:02:34   the theories about what that's about our [TS]

01:02:37   copy protection you know so everything [TS]

01:02:41   is pirated the app stores and the theory [TS]

01:02:43   goes that it is slightly harder to [TS]

01:02:46   pirate it when you have to also deal [TS]

01:02:48   with a phone home features that you have [TS]

01:02:50   to bypass in addition to cracking the [TS]

01:02:52   whatever you know to get it illegally [TS]

01:02:55   I'm not entirely sure if I by that I [TS]

01:02:57   mean historically nintendo has been [TS]

01:02:59   really not smart about copy protection [TS]

01:03:02   in that they will do things that they [TS]

01:03:03   think are saving them from piracy when [TS]

01:03:06   really like that the decrease in piracy [TS]

01:03:09   is not a good match for the pain that [TS]

01:03:12   they put regular users true like [TS]

01:03:14   Nintendo makes really bad trade-offs [TS]

01:03:15   that historically you can't entirely [TS]

01:03:17   discount Terry even though practically [TS]

01:03:19   speaking it doesn't seem like it would [TS]

01:03:21   do anything except to make it slightly [TS]

01:03:23   more difficult to pirate it and I think [TS]

01:03:25   there's a lot of motivation to pirate [TS]

01:03:27   this thing because it's gonna be popular [TS]

01:03:29   second one you can't really discount is [TS]

01:03:33   just plain not going to saying [TS]

01:03:35   competence but like there is an online [TS]

01:03:37   component to the game just having it be [TS]

01:03:40   online all the time as a simplification [TS]

01:03:41   friend development and it could have [TS]

01:03:46   just been maybe they didn't think it [TS]

01:03:47   would be a big deal and they [TS]

01:03:48   miscalculated and it's simpler to do [TS]

01:03:49   this way anyway and they will you know [TS]

01:03:52   this one's different situations where if [TS]

01:03:55   it's not some wrongheaded misguided [TS]

01:03:58   notion about piracy that they will [TS]

01:03:59   update the game eventually to allow [TS]

01:04:01   offline play maybe you have it's like [TS]

01:04:02   six months to a year from now that they [TS]

01:04:04   will update when they get around to it [TS]

01:04:05   they just didn't get around to it and [TS]

01:04:07   well you know they will do a slow-motion [TS]

01:04:09   reconsideration so yeah we messed up is [TS]

01:04:13   what what is the third option is there [TS]

01:04:15   any third explanation for online-only [TS]

01:04:17   besides the competence and [TS]

01:04:19   wrongheaded ideas about piracy analytics [TS]

01:04:23   I guess dynamic content you can always [TS]

01:04:27   do that periodically yeah i mean anyway [TS]

01:04:30   the bottom line is it's I don't think it [TS]

01:04:32   will affect the game because people are [TS]

01:04:34   going to buy based on the brand it may [TS]

01:04:35   affect how satisfied people are with the [TS]

01:04:38   game so that when content comes out with [TS]

01:04:40   its second game they will have to [TS]

01:04:41   emphasize the fact that you're able to [TS]

01:04:42   run it offline but yeah it does it does [TS]

01:04:46   not seem like it in 10 don't very often [TS]

01:04:48   find some weights to do something silly [TS]

01:04:51   with every one of the things that should [TS]

01:04:53   be should appear win so I don't think it [TS]

01:04:57   will affect the fortunes of this game [TS]

01:04:59   just because there's so much pent-up [TS]

01:05:00   demand for something Nintendo but [TS]

01:05:02   besides pokemon and you know something [TS]

01:05:04   mary on on iOS so I think that sometimes [TS]

01:05:07   I think what is the price gonna be 10 [TS]

01:05:08   bucks i believe so yeah so I think [TS]

01:05:11   they'll do just fine with it but it big [TS]

01:05:13   yeah it's it's pretty it's not a good [TS]

01:05:15   idea to have this thing be online only [TS]

01:05:17   that's just just going to annoy people [TS]

01:05:19   yeah and they're there was a great [TS]

01:05:21   discussion about this on connected this [TS]

01:05:23   week and one of the things that Mike was [TS]

01:05:25   saying is like putting out if this is a [TS]

01:05:27   huge thing like these kind of casual [TS]

01:05:30   quickplay one-handed play games for four [TS]

01:05:34   phones are really often used for people [TS]

01:05:37   who are commuting like on a subway [TS]

01:05:39   underground or who are flying in a plane [TS]

01:05:41   like it's very often used while [TS]

01:05:42   traveling commuting and there's gonna be [TS]

01:05:44   so many times where people would play [TS]

01:05:47   this game like an everyday subway [TS]

01:05:49   commute where your underground you got [TS]

01:05:51   no connection and you just can't play it [TS]

01:05:54   and that's really unfortunate [TS]

01:05:56   yeah I wonder if it's gonna be a wonder [TS]

01:05:58   you know it will it take not launch or [TS]

01:06:01   what does it want to phone home [TS]

01:06:02   periodically and you can play for some [TS]

01:06:04   period of time then eventually will [TS]

01:06:05   complain to you that peasant phone tone [TS]

01:06:07   oh I don't know how what the mechanism [TS]

01:06:08   is going to be like good it's even i [TS]

01:06:11   have a hard time believing that the game [TS]

01:06:12   won't even launch without a connection [TS]

01:06:13   but who knows [TS]

01:06:14   I mean it's Nintendo's first tried this [TS]

01:06:17   and maybe they just totally messed up by [TS]

01:06:19   thinking the entire world as connected [TS]

01:06:21   as Japan's or something I don't know [TS]

01:06:23   that it just definitely seems like a [TS]

01:06:25   miscalculation especially since this is [TS]

01:06:26   not a paid upfront game so it's not as [TS]

01:06:28   if it's like well we've got your money [TS]

01:06:30   they don't they they want you to buy the [TS]

01:06:31   unlock [TS]

01:06:32   and you're not going to buy the unlock [TS]

01:06:33   it the first two times you try to play [TS]

01:06:34   it it's a sorry can't play because [TS]

01:06:37   you're offline [TS]

01:06:38   just try it i mean back in the day you [TS]

01:06:41   know I know Marco that you were a second [TS]

01:06:42   kind of guy but I was a nintendo kind of [TS]

01:06:44   guy when I was a kid and had everything [TS]

01:06:47   from the original nes all the way [TS]

01:06:50   through the Nintendo 64 and then [TS]

01:06:52   eventually we this is something that [TS]

01:06:55   should appeal to me and so I'm anxious [TS]

01:06:57   to try it but it and I don't expect this [TS]

01:07:00   online only thing is really gonna bother [TS]

01:07:01   me much but I do think it's a bomber and [TS]

01:07:03   I would not put it past nintendo like [TS]

01:07:05   you said job to just be silly about this [TS]

01:07:08   decision and just not realizing that [TS]

01:07:10   this is more harm than good [TS]

01:07:12   but easy for me to say i have to say [TS]

01:07:15   that the Nintendo doesn't feel like they [TS]

01:07:17   have doctors that was gonna say mastery [TS]

01:07:21   but i would say they don't even have a [TS]

01:07:22   handle on the mobile gaming yet because [TS]

01:07:25   all they have is another one game with a [TS]

01:07:27   partner that in develop their niantic or [TS]

01:07:30   whatever play the Pokemon go thing which [TS]

01:07:31   is a second cut an idea that they've [TS]

01:07:34   already tried once and it does take [TS]

01:07:36   advantage of things that are uniquely [TS]

01:07:38   mobile expect you walk around with it [TS]

01:07:40   and stuff like that so come on goes is a [TS]

01:07:41   pretty good job and takes advantage of [TS]

01:07:43   some unique things but this game itself [TS]

01:07:45   was a little bit buggy and sketching the [TS]

01:07:47   beginning anyway that was a nintendo and [TS]

01:07:50   this i forget his nintendo doing isn't [TS]

01:07:52   the in-house or is it is also outsource [TS]

01:07:54   to to somebody but either way this game [TS]

01:07:58   the what it looks like yeah it's got [TS]

01:08:01   Nintendo's graphics has gotten tens IP [TS]

01:08:03   i'm sure we'll play well but terms of [TS]

01:08:06   what it is it's one of those you know [TS]

01:08:07   tap the screen myers running all on his [TS]

01:08:10   own you're tapping the screen to make a [TS]

01:08:11   job and stuff like that which is fine as [TS]

01:08:13   far as it goes but i find myself [TS]

01:08:16   thinking about when I think about games [TS]

01:08:18   that have stood out to me on iOS I don't [TS]

01:08:22   you know super re-run is not is not in [TS]

01:08:27   the top tier i think of something from a [TS]

01:08:29   developer that really really seem to [TS]

01:08:31   understand both i think the context of [TS]

01:08:34   multiple gaming and the things that you [TS]

01:08:37   know playing to its strength avoiding [TS]

01:08:39   its weaknesses i think of things like [TS]

01:08:43   you know out those adventure which but [TS]

01:08:46   on the surface seemed so it's always not [TS]

01:08:47   the same thing this thing just goes and [TS]

01:08:49   you tap a button to make anything happen [TS]

01:08:50   it's like a single tap gaming type [TS]

01:08:52   experience and maybe it's because the [TS]

01:08:56   internet doesn't have any IP that fit [TS]

01:08:58   with that type of thing without those [TS]

01:09:00   adventure is just so much stronger [TS]

01:09:02   statement on understanding what's good [TS]

01:09:05   about iOS gaming or something like what [TS]

01:09:09   is wrong with either walking around on [TS]

01:09:11   the thing invalid yeah monument valley [TS]

01:09:12   that one taking the idea that one of one [TS]

01:09:15   of the things that the mobile gaming [TS]

01:09:18   houses that you're holding this little [TS]

01:09:20   world in your hands if you just put a [TS]

01:09:21   mostly static screen on there like it's [TS]

01:09:22   a little diorama and it's like a little [TS]

01:09:23   world of answering moving things around [TS]

01:09:25   it's also different contexts where as [TS]

01:09:27   Nintendo primary are running [TS]

01:09:29   horizontally in the 2d worlds like [TS]

01:09:30   that's the old context like that may be [TS]

01:09:33   okay [TS]

01:09:33   even the real in infinite runners take [TS]

01:09:36   more advantage of mobile there are more [TS]

01:09:39   sort of mobile native miss like so [TS]

01:09:41   nintendo taking its existing properties [TS]

01:09:43   and finding a way that you can play them [TS]

01:09:44   by putting one finger on the screen [TS]

01:09:46   periodically that's all well and good [TS]

01:09:48   but where is the Nintendo equivalent of [TS]

01:09:51   of those adventure or even you know the [TS]

01:09:54   local year Walker what I just like I [TS]

01:09:57   feel like there are they haven't [TS]

01:09:59   mastered the platform yet and if they're [TS]

01:10:01   ever going to make it really great iOS [TS]

01:10:04   game and they have to start developing [TS]

01:10:06   for it not as like a come-on for you to [TS]

01:10:10   buy the real intendo games which is what [TS]

01:10:12   these currently are at this point but [TS]

01:10:14   you know getting their developers to [TS]

01:10:17   really understand this platform and [TS]

01:10:19   producing something that will last in [TS]

01:10:22   our collective memory and be as well [TS]

01:10:23   regarded as the best iOS games [TS]

01:10:26   yeah agreed fair enough so let's try did [TS]

01:10:32   not take this tutu- a place but apples [TS]

01:10:36   made a curious choice with the new [TS]

01:10:39   Sierra update for laptops for every [TS]

01:10:43   laptop [TS]

01:10:44   apparently the battery life meter has [TS]

01:10:48   never been accurate we didn't realize [TS]

01:10:50   this until people were dissatisfied with [TS]

01:10:54   not reaching the claimed battery [TS]

01:10:56   capacity [TS]

01:10:57   here length on their brand new macbook [TS]

01:10:59   pros but suddenly surely it's it's not [TS]

01:11:02   because of that but suddenly it's turned [TS]

01:11:04   out that the battery life meter is [TS]

01:11:07   totally inaccurate and it's been removed [TS]

01:11:10   hmm so I I don't know what's making this [TS]

01:11:14   like mind my initial inclination is oh [TS]

01:11:18   we're just trying to sweep under the rug [TS]

01:11:19   the fact that these computers don't get [TS]

01:11:21   the battery life we said they did my [TS]

01:11:23   second thought of this is well your [TS]

01:11:26   battery life is just a guess right i [TS]

01:11:29   mean we don't see on an iOS device how [TS]

01:11:32   much time remaining we have on our [TS]

01:11:34   battery we see a percentage for sure but [TS]

01:11:36   we don't see a time estimate and and so [TS]

01:11:41   I I i want to land in a place where this [TS]

01:11:47   is not enough arias is really the word [TS]

01:11:51   i'm looking forward especially i can [TS]

01:11:52   come up with that it's not a various and [TS]

01:11:54   I I I really feel like the Apple [TS]

01:11:58   community and maybe just geeks in [TS]

01:12:00   general tend to land on the nefarious [TS]

01:12:02   point of view a little too easily but [TS]

01:12:04   golly I'm struggling to figure out a way [TS]

01:12:07   where this is not just trying to sweep a [TS]

01:12:09   different problem under the rug so I'm [TS]

01:12:12   not gonna farias if you think about this [TS]

01:12:14   is a sneaky evil thing that's always but [TS]

01:12:18   but like I in encompassed in the word of [TS]

01:12:22   a nefarious is a certain effectiveness [TS]

01:12:24   that I think is not inherent in the [TS]

01:12:26   solution in other words various a team [TS]

01:12:28   to steal the jewels should end with you [TS]

01:12:30   having the jewels if this is a nefarious [TS]

01:12:32   to address concerns about battery life [TS]

01:12:35   is not particularly nefarious because [TS]

01:12:37   it's that it like I PR wise like I just [TS]

01:12:41   safer for all 2016 let's just say Apple [TS]

01:12:44   has not covered himself in glory in [TS]

01:12:45   terms of product right [TS]

01:12:48   the film and this move it [TS]

01:12:52   I I don't see how there is a positive [TS]

01:12:55   outcome for this for Apple regardless of [TS]

01:12:58   the motivation say the motivation [TS]

01:12:59   it has nothing to do with the new [TS]

01:13:00   laptops like it just seems like a net [TS]

01:13:03   negative no matter how I slice it and so [TS]

01:13:05   if it was if it is a change meant to [TS]

01:13:08   address a customer concerns [TS]

01:13:10   no matter what that customer concern is [TS]

01:13:12   I honestly don't see how getting rid of [TS]

01:13:16   it will help now i understand it and [TS]

01:13:19   kind of naive sort of just very sort of [TS]

01:13:23   one-sided view of the world and that the [TS]

01:13:27   battery meter is not accurate [TS]

01:13:29   the holidays are coming we don't have [TS]

01:13:31   time to fix it to stop people from [TS]

01:13:35   seeing inaccurate information remove it [TS]

01:13:38   with the idea that will fix it and put [TS]

01:13:40   it back but we don't have time now but i [TS]

01:13:43   don't think you can you would think [TS]

01:13:45   about that solution for any period of [TS]

01:13:47   time until you realize that doesn't [TS]

01:13:49   really help like that but what makes [TS]

01:13:51   things worse probably like if it's not [TS]

01:13:54   working and we're going to fix it then [TS]

01:13:56   fix it if you don't have time to fix it [TS]

01:13:57   now fix it later if you don't want to [TS]

01:13:59   fix it later because people are upset [TS]

01:14:00   now issue a statement but removing it [TS]

01:14:03   especially since that information is [TS]

01:14:05   available elsewhere in the US and [TS]

01:14:07   through third-party apps anyway and it [TS]

01:14:09   just seems like not a good move PR wise [TS]

01:14:13   again regardless of the motivation even [TS]

01:14:14   motivations are entirely pure of like we [TS]

01:14:16   realize there's a problem with the new [TS]

01:14:18   macs and that meter and it's showing bed [TS]

01:14:21   information right because it doesn't it [TS]

01:14:22   doesn't solve a problem with customers [TS]

01:14:24   have it might solve a problem apple has [TS]

01:14:26   in terms of support requests and Apple [TS]

01:14:28   might think it solves a perception [TS]

01:14:30   problem although i really doubt it does [TS]

01:14:31   but does it solve a customer problem i [TS]

01:14:34   guess maybe the customer problem might [TS]

01:14:36   be solving is like Marcos insistence on [TS]

01:14:38   not having badges on his application to [TS]

01:14:40   tell you about how many things you [TS]

01:14:41   haven't done them to remove anxiety but [TS]

01:14:44   it really depends because unlike [TS]

01:14:47   notifications to tell you how many [TS]

01:14:48   unread things you have in instapaper [TS]

01:14:50   whatever if you hide the time remaining [TS]

01:14:54   for someone who's used to constantly [TS]

01:14:56   looking up to see the time remaining [TS]

01:14:57   all you've done is replace one anxiety [TS]

01:14:59   with another the new anxiety is I have [TS]

01:15:01   know how much I i have no idea how much [TS]

01:15:02   time I've ever made [TS]

01:15:03   normally I know how much time I have [TS]

01:15:04   remaining really doubt that it's looking [TS]

01:15:06   at a number that's like a random guess [TS]

01:15:07   not right that is it is an estimate [TS]

01:15:10   based on current whatever like but it's [TS]

01:15:14   not remove the anxiety because not as if [TS]

01:15:16   when they glanced up there and don't see [TS]

01:15:17   the time remaining they're gonna relax [TS]

01:15:18   and say oh I guess I don't have to worry [TS]

01:15:20   about anymore know they're gonna be like [TS]

01:15:21   but what is the time [TS]

01:15:23   getting launched activity monitor and [TS]

01:15:24   check not not a wise decision apple i [TS]

01:15:29   think and the best thing for them to do [TS]

01:15:32   is if the number is misleading or [TS]

01:15:36   inaccurate or problematic in some way [TS]

01:15:38   make it better [TS]

01:15:40   yeah this there are a number of of [TS]

01:15:43   separate issues here and I think if we [TS]

01:15:46   get we need to be careful to talk about [TS]

01:15:49   them separately into not like you know [TS]

01:15:50   let them bleed into each other where [TS]

01:15:52   they don't need to because that's a [TS]

01:15:54   quick way to just lose a discussion and [TS]

01:15:55   and and get sidetracked [TS]

01:15:58   so there's multiple problems here [TS]

01:16:00   problem number one is the battery [TS]

01:16:03   estimate meter what can be and sometimes [TS]

01:16:06   is inaccurate but i have i've actually [TS]

01:16:10   found it you know i've been using apple [TS]

01:16:13   laptops for more than a decade now and i [TS]

01:16:16   have found the battery meter to be a [TS]

01:16:19   pretty good rough estimate [TS]

01:16:22   it's not like it says you get two hours [TS]

01:16:24   and you actually get 10 it's not off by [TS]

01:16:26   that much [TS]

01:16:27   it's you it usually gives you a pretty [TS]

01:16:30   good estimate of the number of hours you [TS]

01:16:33   will roughly get if you if you continue [TS]

01:16:35   using the computer the way you using it [TS]

01:16:37   right now or and the way you have been [TS]

01:16:39   using it for the last few minutes so [TS]

01:16:41   that's the bit that mental model that [TS]

01:16:42   you just described [TS]

01:16:43   I don't know if everyone else has the [TS]

01:16:45   same mental not sure what you described [TS]

01:16:47   is how most you know longtime mac users [TS]

01:16:49   use it was just like it was just what [TS]

01:16:50   you said you look up with that number [TS]

01:16:51   and then what the number is trying to [TS]

01:16:53   tell you because it's not an [TS]

01:16:54   instantaneous measurement that I was [TS]

01:16:55   trying to tell you is if you keep doing [TS]

01:16:57   what you've been doing in the recent [TS]

01:16:58   past we think this is what you're gonna [TS]

01:17:00   get and you and I and most people use [TS]

01:17:03   that number to say oh I better not keep [TS]

01:17:06   doing whatever the hell I'm doing [TS]

01:17:06   because my time like in other words we [TS]

01:17:09   are never surprised when the number goes [TS]

01:17:10   up right because we understand why goes [TS]

01:17:12   up so it's because I quit that [TS]

01:17:14   application or I stop that render [TS]

01:17:15   whatever I was doing [TS]

01:17:16   of course the numbers gonna pop I think [TS]

01:17:18   regular people when they look at that [TS]

01:17:21   number and it says X and then half an [TS]

01:17:24   hour later they look at the number and [TS]

01:17:25   it says X plus 50 minutes are perplexed [TS]

01:17:29   and don't understand how that could be [TS]

01:17:30   the case and start thinking that it's [TS]

01:17:32   not right so i think the number is that [TS]

01:17:36   I think that readout is it's not [TS]

01:17:39   conveying the mental your mental model [TS]

01:17:41   happens to match the way it works but i [TS]

01:17:43   don't think the number itself on its own [TS]

01:17:45   conveys that the view so i think the [TS]

01:17:47   number is problematic [TS]

01:17:48   it is well it's problematic as as it was [TS]

01:17:51   displayed before as if its treated as [TS]

01:17:55   fact [TS]

01:17:55   so it's for example it's problematic to [TS]

01:17:57   give to give minute level precision on [TS]

01:18:00   that estimate because it is that [TS]

01:18:02   accurate is not it isn't gonna tell you [TS]

01:18:04   like oh your life is going to die in [TS]

01:18:06   exactly 6 hours and 37 minutes like no [TS]

01:18:09   that's that's not what's going to happen [TS]

01:18:10   but the value that it had before in in [TS]

01:18:15   giving you a rough estimate of what you [TS]

01:18:17   have left it again like even if the [TS]

01:18:19   granularity is number of hours you have [TS]

01:18:21   left that is actually pretty accurate [TS]

01:18:24   for a lot of people uses and so we have [TS]

01:18:28   a number of problems combining here to [TS]

01:18:30   make to make apple had to take action [TS]

01:18:32   here one of them is I think pretty [TS]

01:18:35   clearly the reviews have all been [TS]

01:18:36   stating have all basically agreed and [TS]

01:18:39   the customers not you not just crazy [TS]

01:18:41   reviewers but actual customers have all [TS]

01:18:43   kind of scene like you know I'm not [TS]

01:18:45   really getting more than like five to [TS]

01:18:47   seven hours of battery life on this 10 [TS]

01:18:49   hour battery life laptop that's that's [TS]

01:18:51   been a pretty common thing people said i [TS]

01:18:54   have my personal experience matches that [TS]

01:18:56   pretty well [TS]

01:18:57   the other problem is as I mentioned [TS]

01:18:58   before modern laptops the the main ways [TS]

01:19:02   they've gotten more efficient as Piper [TS]

01:19:03   is by reducing the amount of power they [TS]

01:19:05   use when they're not doing much and when [TS]

01:19:08   they're when they're really doing a lot [TS]

01:19:09   or the GPUs on whatever else the the top [TS]

01:19:12   of that power range they can reach is [TS]

01:19:15   actually not move very much and they've [TS]

01:19:17   gotten smaller lighter by tricking the [TS]

01:19:18   batteries by by assuming a bunch of idle [TS]

01:19:20   power there are a bunch of idle time but [TS]

01:19:23   again if you push them if you make them [TS]

01:19:25   do anything they're still using as much [TS]

01:19:27   higher powers they used to [TS]

01:19:28   so basically as we keep making the [TS]

01:19:30   advancements in making idle power lower [TS]

01:19:32   and lower and lower but keeping active [TS]

01:19:34   power kind of the same what we're seeing [TS]

01:19:37   is a aim and increasing difference in [TS]

01:19:41   real-world battery life depending on [TS]

01:19:43   what you're doing so it used to be like [TS]

01:19:45   you know it back in the olden days of [TS]

01:19:47   like you know the the core duo and [TS]

01:19:49   the pet and the g4 everything back in [TS]

01:19:51   those early days when we had made all [TS]

01:19:53   these advances in idle power reduction [TS]

01:19:55   the difference in how much battery life [TS]

01:19:57   your computer would get if you're [TS]

01:19:58   pushing it hard for the future just [TS]

01:20:00   browsing the web was a pretty small [TS]

01:20:02   difference relatively speaking to do it [TS]

01:20:03   today maybe if you were really gentle on [TS]

01:20:06   it you might get like fifty percent or [TS]

01:20:08   75% hundred percent more battery life [TS]

01:20:10   whereas today if you're like using the [TS]

01:20:13   cpu hard or if you're playing a game vs [TS]

01:20:16   if you're browsing the web and doing [TS]

01:20:17   nothing else in the background that [TS]

01:20:19   difference could be the difference [TS]

01:20:20   between 90 minutes and 11 hours of [TS]

01:20:23   battery life it's so ridiculous but [TS]

01:20:25   you're right it had those are real [TS]

01:20:27   numbers like this actually happens like [TS]

01:20:28   it's just surprising like the difference [TS]

01:20:30   is vast now depending on what you're [TS]

01:20:32   doing and so that factor has such as [TS]

01:20:37   overtime made the battery meter less [TS]

01:20:40   accurate so there is no because as what [TS]

01:20:44   you do changes like if if you have just [TS]

01:20:47   spent three hours browsing the web and [TS]

01:20:49   safari with no pages that triggered [TS]

01:20:51   WebGL then great you're all set [TS]

01:20:55   but then if you go and and somebody [TS]

01:20:58   sends you a message effect and the GPU [TS]

01:21:00   turns on and something else tries to [TS]

01:21:02   keep GPU or for some other reason than [TS]

01:21:04   all and and then at the same time like a [TS]

01:21:06   time machine backup starts and and [TS]

01:21:09   photos decides to analyze some photos [TS]

01:21:11   for you like then you could be your your [TS]

01:21:14   estimate for the last three hours on the [TS]

01:21:16   stuff was happening my told you have [TS]

01:21:17   five more hours left [TS]

01:21:19   but now all the sudden because your [TS]

01:21:21   computer doing things that use way more [TS]

01:21:23   power than B then what you're doing [TS]

01:21:24   before you might only have one hour left [TS]

01:21:26   that's why the effectively fixing it [TS]

01:21:28   like the idea I got the numbers bad [TS]

01:21:29   fixing fixing it doesn't mean just make [TS]

01:21:31   it put a better number because there is [TS]

01:21:33   no better number because you can't [TS]

01:21:34   predict the future fixing it probably [TS]

01:21:36   means changing it from something that [TS]

01:21:38   tells you a supposed amount of time [TS]

01:21:39   remaining to something that graphically [TS]

01:21:41   displays memory like I like a burndown [TS]

01:21:45   graph for usage over time like you have [TS]

01:21:47   to [TS]

01:21:48   you'd like to see your representation [TS]

01:21:49   lets you know you were using energy at [TS]

01:21:52   this rate here is your total energy that [TS]

01:21:54   you have you were using at this rate the [TS]

01:21:56   more recently you be using at this rate [TS]

01:21:58   and therefore like here's the rest of [TS]

01:22:00   the time [TS]

01:22:00   like some kind of graph or something [TS]

01:22:02   yeah some other representation that the [TS]

01:22:03   probably doesn't fit in the menu bar [TS]

01:22:05   maybe you can do it is a sparkline but [TS]

01:22:07   then you click on to get a bigger thing [TS]

01:22:08   because that's you know like you said [TS]

01:22:10   the it with this with this chain with [TS]

01:22:13   this increase in the difference between [TS]

01:22:15   idol and active power is ever-increasing [TS]

01:22:17   difference it becomes almost impossible [TS]

01:22:21   to ever put a single number of its [TS]

01:22:22   representative because the the [TS]

01:22:24   variabilities too much suit by fixing it [TS]

01:22:26   i mean give the people using the [TS]

01:22:29   customer problem is I have to know how [TS]

01:22:32   long I have left and should i do [TS]

01:22:34   something differently to change that [TS]

01:22:35   right and and also like people don't [TS]

01:22:38   know what they should do differently [TS]

01:22:39   right so you need to give them feedback [TS]

01:22:41   did quitting that app helping our let me [TS]

01:22:44   go look click the menu bar icon and see [TS]

01:22:46   the graph and see like some line level [TS]

01:22:48   out or something or not like that's [TS]

01:22:50   that's the customer problem is i gotta [TS]

01:22:53   know how long I have been fine if I need [TS]

01:22:55   to stretch it if i need to you know get [TS]

01:22:57   a little bit more time out of it i'm [TS]

01:22:59   going to try a bunch of random crap [TS]

01:23:00   hopefully the the energy saver menu will [TS]

01:23:03   tell me like what chaps are using a lot [TS]

01:23:04   of energy like that feature they had a [TS]

01:23:05   mattress or whatever [TS]

01:23:07   hopefully I'll take some action based on [TS]

01:23:08   that and then have confirmation from [TS]

01:23:10   this thing that tells me oh yes you've [TS]

01:23:11   you've now change things so that looks [TS]

01:23:14   like you're you're back on track and [TS]

01:23:16   doing that with a single number that [TS]

01:23:18   fluctuates up and down i think is not as [TS]

01:23:21   useful as some other thing that gives a [TS]

01:23:23   historic forward and backward [TS]

01:23:24   perspective on things [TS]

01:23:26   John only you would want to burn down [TS]

01:23:28   chart for your battery power marketing [TS]

01:23:31   know what that is [TS]

01:23:31   nope not even though not at all alright [TS]

01:23:33   spines in the parking lot [TS]

01:23:34   ya know so like so basically i see the [TS]

01:23:40   line of thinking that could lead Apple [TS]

01:23:43   to think we should just get rid of this [TS]

01:23:44   meter because it's not very accurate [TS]

01:23:46   anymore but it has a lot of value and so [TS]

01:23:51   to to completely get rid of it eat you [TS]

01:23:54   because like if you look at the [TS]

01:23:55   percentage all you know is where my [TS]

01:23:57   battery is right now but on something [TS]

01:23:59   that gets one and a half to 12 hours of [TS]

01:24:02   battery life that percentage is not very [TS]

01:24:05   useful you know like it's going to the [TS]

01:24:07   graph in your head you have to be like [TS]

01:24:08   alright looked at five minutes ago and [TS]

01:24:09   it was this number and i looked at now [TS]

01:24:11   is this [TS]

01:24:11   number and so I make that the slope of [TS]

01:24:12   that line like you're doing the graph in [TS]

01:24:14   your head right and so II it is very [TS]

01:24:17   very helpful and this is not just to [TS]

01:24:19   keep things I I don't want to hear [TS]

01:24:20   people saying regular people don't need [TS]

01:24:22   the the estimate know anybody who uses a [TS]

01:24:24   laptop on battery power and wanted to [TS]

01:24:26   last a whole flight or a whole day or [TS]

01:24:28   whole span often needs to know and I [TS]

01:24:31   going to make it [TS]

01:24:32   given what i'm doing like it is my [TS]

01:24:34   battery enough like that is the problem [TS]

01:24:36   of the modern age is my battery going to [TS]

01:24:39   make it so that you know this is this is [TS]

01:24:43   a real problem for a lot of people in a [TS]

01:24:44   lot of situations so to have something [TS]

01:24:47   that can indicate whether your battery's [TS]

01:24:49   going to make it is very useful and [TS]

01:24:51   while the time estimate is is it has [TS]

01:24:54   never been perfect and as discussed is [TS]

01:24:56   actually less perfect over time it is [TS]

01:24:59   something and they replaced it with [TS]

01:25:02   nothing that the percentage meter does [TS]

01:25:05   not replace the need to note for you to [TS]

01:25:07   know am I probably gonna make it or not [TS]

01:25:09   it doesn't it is not good enough and [TS]

01:25:12   it's different it's different with [TS]

01:25:13   laptop first fund his phones are so easy [TS]

01:25:16   to carry extra batteries for laptops [TS]

01:25:19   really aren't you know that the whole [TS]

01:25:20   USBC future that will eventually be here [TS]

01:25:23   we can have a about Jackson laptop [TS]

01:25:25   batteries for our laptops that's really [TS]

01:25:27   only true for the 12-inch MacBook and [TS]

01:25:30   only just barely because that has very [TS]

01:25:33   low power draw its you know in in the in [TS]

01:25:36   the realm of of big tablet power draws [TS]

01:25:38   so like you can get a better back for [TS]

01:25:39   those it's that small and outputs like [TS]

01:25:42   15 watts and that's enough [TS]

01:25:44   you're never going to get a battery pack [TS]

01:25:46   that's going to be small and light and [TS]

01:25:49   empower your 15-inch macbook pro for [TS]

01:25:51   meaningful amount of time our or that [TS]

01:25:53   can recharge it quickly so you can get [TS]

01:25:55   back to using it like it's just too much [TS]

01:25:58   power batteries are big and heavy [TS]

01:26:00   that's not going to happen in a [TS]

01:26:01   compelling package for a very long time [TS]

01:26:03   if ever so it is very important for you [TS]

01:26:07   to know when you're using your flagship [TS]

01:26:09   15-inch professional-grade a laptop that [TS]

01:26:13   has this nice big 75 one hour battery in [TS]

01:26:16   it and that can possibly draw up 287 [TS]

01:26:19   wats a full load [TS]

01:26:21   it's very nice to know whether you're [TS]

01:26:22   going to make it without a charge or not [TS]

01:26:24   to [TS]

01:26:24   what you have to do you know at the end [TS]

01:26:26   of the fighter day or whatever because [TS]

01:26:28   if you if you mess up that estimate [TS]

01:26:31   you're basically a lot like you're [TS]

01:26:33   basically you're not gonna have a [TS]

01:26:33   computer for a few hours because you're [TS]

01:26:36   not gonna like you can't just plug in a [TS]

01:26:38   little lipstick battery from amazon that [TS]

01:26:40   was four dollars and charged up again [TS]

01:26:42   like that it doesn't work that way to [TS]

01:26:43   treat it like a big phone is not a good [TS]

01:26:45   analogy [TS]

01:26:46   it just doesn't work well there is one [TS]

01:26:48   phone feature that you could use though [TS]

01:26:50   like you think more fixes this thing [TS]

01:26:52   running like a big phone maybe think of [TS]

01:26:54   like what are you doing your iphone say [TS]

01:26:55   your on your iPhone and you're on a [TS]

01:26:57   cross-country flight and your you want [TS]

01:26:58   to be doing stuff on your phone and you [TS]

01:27:00   there's no time remaining on the iphone [TS]

01:27:02   but you look at the percentage and you [TS]

01:27:04   kind of know how long you're fun you're [TS]

01:27:05   less and you're like it's not going to [TS]

01:27:06   make it what would you do i plug it in [TS]

01:27:08   and shoot the hostage but not yet plugin [TS]

01:27:13   plugin i guess that is an option because [TS]

01:27:15   I guess the fun of it but low power mode [TS]

01:27:17   was thinking of the powerbook right so [TS]

01:27:19   on the phone the phone first of the [TS]

01:27:21   phone itself will go into low power mode [TS]

01:27:23   but you can turn it on yourself manually [TS]

01:27:24   at any time and you're hoping what that [TS]

01:27:26   will do is like you don't know just [TS]

01:27:28   switch and preferences or and I think [TS]

01:27:29   it's him isn't in control center not [TS]

01:27:31   forget low-power mode will you know you [TS]

01:27:35   basically say go into like camera mode [TS]

01:27:37   just trying to like not do stuff and and [TS]

01:27:41   be more calm a low-power mode for mac OS [TS]

01:27:44   but it's as simple as a switch would [TS]

01:27:47   solve the customer problem better than [TS]

01:27:50   the very geeky silly solution i was [TS]

01:27:53   suggesting of like graphs and everything [TS]

01:27:55   which would be totally cool and would [TS]

01:27:56   convey the information but again the [TS]

01:27:58   customer problem is like you said and I [TS]

01:27:59   gonna make it [TS]

01:28:01   and so in this respect reading like a [TS]

01:28:02   phone having a low-power mode switch i [TS]

01:28:05   think is one possible viable solution [TS]

01:28:08   and maybe apples got that plan and maybe [TS]

01:28:10   ditching this is you know an ill-advised [TS]

01:28:12   transition where they get rid of this [TS]

01:28:15   and replace it with low-power mode is [TS]

01:28:16   and i'm hoping low-power mode doesn't [TS]

01:28:19   already exist in mac OS and I just don't [TS]

01:28:20   know that because i have reviewed last [TS]

01:28:21   two versions but you guys can confirm [TS]

01:28:24   slacker so and this is this is this [TS]

01:28:26   leads to another problem to which is you [TS]

01:28:28   know that the small laptops that the [TS]

01:28:30   escape and 36 touch bar [TS]

01:28:32   a-and the macbook one these all suffer [TS]

01:28:35   from moderate battery life because [TS]

01:28:39   they're so small and that's and that's [TS]

01:28:40   generally part of the trade-off of [TS]

01:28:42   getting a very very small laptop is [TS]

01:28:44   usually better life isn't very good [TS]

01:28:45   his battery too big and heavy so to get [TS]

01:28:47   something very small you know you gotta [TS]

01:28:49   take a small battery life that's ok on [TS]

01:28:52   the bigger ones like the 15-inch you [TS]

01:28:55   know typically you get pretty good [TS]

01:28:56   battery life you know and it hasn't [TS]

01:28:59   always been the case but you know [TS]

01:29:00   generally speaking that's you know it's [TS]

01:29:01   really pretty good [TS]

01:29:02   however on the 15 inch as i mentioned in [TS]

01:29:05   previous episodes there used to be an [TS]

01:29:06   option to not get a discrete GPU and the [TS]

01:29:09   base model that option is no longer [TS]

01:29:10   present on the current line so every 15 [TS]

01:29:13   inch comes with a discrete GPU that is [TS]

01:29:15   dynamically switch to so it has both the [TS]

01:29:17   integrated GPU views almost no power and [TS]

01:29:19   the discrete GPU the big 8 AMD ati [TS]

01:29:22   whatever-it-is amd-1 that it switches to [TS]

01:29:24   whenever it feels that it needs more [TS]

01:29:27   graphic horsepower and this is automatic [TS]

01:29:29   switching and there's an option in [TS]

01:29:31   settings to lock on the discrete GPU so [TS]

01:29:35   do not automatically switch almost no [TS]

01:29:38   one should ever enable that option [TS]

01:29:39   because the head that just locks on the [TS]

01:29:42   very high-powered raw very hot external [TS]

01:29:44   GPU however there is no option to only [TS]

01:29:48   lock on and to only use the low-power [TS]

01:29:52   integrated GPU that's the first thing [TS]

01:29:53   low-power mode would do obviously it's [TS]

01:29:55   right so so basically so and and there's [TS]

01:29:58   a there's utility by Cody called [TS]

01:30:00   graphics card status gfx card status [TS]

01:30:02   that shows you which one is in use in [TS]

01:30:04   any given time and if you get and I even [TS]

01:30:07   I've been when I'm doing my testing i [TS]

01:30:09   have it you can even show notifications [TS]

01:30:11   when the discrete one turns on so you [TS]

01:30:14   can kind of tell like why it turned on [TS]

01:30:16   because of being a bit of what you just [TS]

01:30:17   did and and it can tell you of course [TS]

01:30:20   which apps are holding it on as well [TS]

01:30:21   because it's held by a nap basis you can [TS]

01:30:24   talk about it after misbehaving or if [TS]

01:30:27   something's using it that you don't [TS]

01:30:28   really think you need to be doing right [TS]

01:30:29   now you can you turn it off to save [TS]

01:30:31   battery life because the battery usage [TS]

01:30:33   when discrete GPU is active is [TS]

01:30:36   substantially higher and you get was [TS]

01:30:38   substantially noticeably worse battery [TS]

01:30:40   life when that high-power GPU is on [TS]

01:30:43   however as I said there's no option to [TS]

01:30:45   say whatever you do do not turn that GPU [TS]

01:30:48   want and I i would love to know from [TS]

01:30:51   people in the know with the engineering [TS]

01:30:54   maybe a tipster is there a hardware [TS]

01:30:57   reason is there some reason why there [TS]

01:31:00   can't be an option that says only use [TS]

01:31:02   the integrated GPU right now because [TS]

01:31:04   that would make a huge difference in [TS]

01:31:07   battery power like I I've heard various [TS]

01:31:09   times that like you know sometimes it's [TS]

01:31:11   required when if you have an external [TS]

01:31:13   display plugged in because like the way [TS]

01:31:15   the way to integrate and that's that [TS]

01:31:16   would be understandable because most [TS]

01:31:17   people when they using an external [TS]

01:31:19   display are plugged into power and i'm [TS]

01:31:21   not on a plane that's right there the [TS]

01:31:23   imac and panera bread again right [TS]

01:31:25   because something is power in the [TS]

01:31:26   display so obviously someone should do [TS]

01:31:28   that the right bringing external display [TS]

01:31:30   with you on your flight and just put on [TS]

01:31:32   the input on the train next to you right [TS]

01:31:34   but anyway I would like to know why that [TS]

01:31:38   option isn't there there might be a good [TS]

01:31:39   reason but if there isn't a good reason [TS]

01:31:41   that option needs to be there because we [TS]

01:31:44   know that the GP the integrated GPU is [TS]

01:31:48   good enough for a lot of things it is [TS]

01:31:51   not a great GPU it is not a high-power [TS]

01:31:53   GPU we have a different high-powered you [TS]

01:31:55   for those needs [TS]

01:31:56   but if I'm using laptop and I need to [TS]

01:31:58   eat at every bit of power from it if I'm [TS]

01:32:00   on some kind of long plane trip or [TS]

01:32:01   something and you like this is low power [TS]

01:32:03   mode rightly if you want your lap to go [TS]

01:32:05   in low-power mode you have to make sure [TS]

01:32:06   that discrete GPU never turns on and is [TS]

01:32:09   currently literally no way to prevent [TS]

01:32:12   that you can't like some utility like [TS]

01:32:14   Cody graphics card status [TS]

01:32:16   it was an older computers it would it [TS]

01:32:19   would be able to actually block the [TS]

01:32:20   switching and lock it on integrated only [TS]

01:32:22   but on the more modern max that doesn't [TS]

01:32:25   happen anymore it can try but then what [TS]

01:32:27   happens is the discrete one turns on [TS]

01:32:28   anyway so it's whatever it isn't [TS]

01:32:31   however it works isn't it seemingly [TS]

01:32:32   isn't able to override the system [TS]

01:32:33   behavior now I would love to have that [TS]

01:32:36   option be there [TS]

01:32:37   we also know like you know last in the [TS]

01:32:39   last generation they had the animation [TS]

01:32:42   they had the option without to get a [TS]

01:32:43   15-4 that getting a discrete GPU at all [TS]

01:32:45   if that option key and I've heard from [TS]

01:32:47   various people that the current skylake [TS]

01:32:50   cpu generation from Intel that the GPUs [TS]

01:32:53   are very good and that would be a [TS]

01:32:55   plausible reason why Apple wouldn't [TS]

01:32:56   for that option that basically they're [TS]

01:32:58   too slow to offer that as like a good [TS]

01:33:00   computer but i would love to the option [TS]

01:33:03   to opt into that sometimes when I really [TS]

01:33:04   need the battery power so that would be [TS]

01:33:07   great [TS]

01:33:07   Apple wants to wants to address its [TS]

01:33:10   battery issues with the 15-inch macbook [TS]

01:33:11   pro the smaller ones they have different [TS]

01:33:13   issues they have the most explicit [TS]

01:33:15   things are really small batteries [TS]

01:33:16   because that's how so that's also than [TS]

01:33:18   light but the 15-inch one of the biggest [TS]

01:33:20   issues is that GPU switching and it if I [TS]

01:33:24   have if i have a way to disable that [TS]

01:33:25   this laptop will last a lot longer i'll [TS]

01:33:28   put a link in the show notes you are [TS]

01:33:30   acting as a review of the touch bar [TS]

01:33:32   laptop so that in their battery testers [TS]

01:33:35   they're sort of light the Wi-Fi you know [TS]

01:33:37   web browsing battery test and they did a [TS]

01:33:40   test with the discrete GPU on and one [TS]

01:33:42   with it off and the one with it off they [TS]

01:33:44   got 15 hours of battery life this is out [TS]

01:33:46   of the 2016 15 inch macbook pro and I [TS]

01:33:49   with a discrete keep you on seven hours [TS]

01:33:51   so I mean there's still light usage 27 [TS]

01:33:53   hours still pretty good but they're just [TS]

01:33:55   web browsing but that's that's a 2x [TS]

01:33:57   difference doing the exact same activity [TS]

01:33:59   you know the only difference is the [TS]

01:34:01   discrete GPU is on or off so a low-power [TS]

01:34:03   mode that I'm not that's the game we [TS]

01:34:05   like to turn off the discrete GPU and [TS]

01:34:07   accept that you're you know you're not [TS]

01:34:08   completely games your graphics [TS]

01:34:09   performance with terrible but think of [TS]

01:34:10   all the other things you can do marcos [TS]

01:34:12   favorite thing you know photos analyzing [TS]

01:34:13   his pictures in the background time [TS]

01:34:16   machine backups like this so everything [TS]

01:34:18   that the phone doesnt low-power mode [TS]

01:34:19   stops as many optional background [TS]

01:34:21   activity type things that can possibly [TS]

01:34:23   stop you know you know just pause them [TS]

01:34:26   or delays them over [TS]

01:34:27   just don't do that stuff clock down the [TS]

01:34:29   processor do like whatever you have to [TS]

01:34:31   do too because that's it you know when [TS]

01:34:33   you go into low power mode where they're [TS]

01:34:35   automatically because you're your [TS]

01:34:36   battery is getting low which would be a [TS]

01:34:37   good idea or just you know at the [TS]

01:34:39   beginning of your flight do it's like [TS]

01:34:41   xcode will run fine in low-power mode [TS]

01:34:43   like your compiles might take longer but [TS]

01:34:45   the typing part will be fine [TS]

01:34:47   like it's not you don't you're not doing [TS]

01:34:48   anything that graphically intensive [TS]

01:34:49   ended its not they have no GPU there is [TS]

01:34:52   a Wimpy crappy GPU built into the you [TS]

01:34:54   know you've integrated GPU is not as may [TS]

01:34:57   not be as good as it was in the past but [TS]

01:35:00   it will get you by and you know it the [TS]

01:35:03   the another thing from the chalice is a [TS]

01:35:05   link to this big on an explanation of [TS]

01:35:07   how Mac developers can make their [TS]

01:35:10   applications better behaved because [TS]

01:35:12   there are many things that system [TS]

01:35:14   frameworks and your own application [TS]

01:35:15   might do to unknown eternal and discrete [TS]

01:35:18   GPUs honest if there's some like call [TS]

01:35:20   that you make this is hey I would like [TS]

01:35:21   to turn the screw GPU and the point is [TS]

01:35:22   automatically automatically turns an [TS]

01:35:24   online needs it and it doesn't use and [TS]

01:35:27   what doesn't [TS]

01:35:27   but apparently that's an opt-in type of [TS]

01:35:30   thing and if you don't opt into it your [TS]

01:35:31   application not article automatically [TS]

01:35:33   switch between integrated indiscreet the [TS]

01:35:34   default is just use discrete all the [TS]

01:35:36   time if you do any of these sort of [TS]

01:35:39   activities that think they might need it [TS]

01:35:40   at some point in your application so [TS]

01:35:42   there could be a software factor here [TS]

01:35:45   where people just need to play update [TS]

01:35:47   their applications to be nicer but [TS]

01:35:48   that's that's why wouldn't look for that [TS]

01:35:50   to save anyone's bacon unless there's [TS]

01:35:52   some specific application that you're [TS]

01:35:53   using all the time it's going to benefit [TS]

01:35:55   from this because apples been preaching [TS]

01:35:56   this for years and years and years about [TS]

01:35:58   how to make your applications [TS]

01:35:59   energy-efficient and they have a lot of [TS]

01:36:01   great tools a lot of great ideas but the [TS]

01:36:03   bottom line is over the past five to ten [TS]

01:36:06   years it seems like application [TS]

01:36:08   developers have not prioritized the [TS]

01:36:10   energy efficiency athlete of their [TS]

01:36:12   application very highly like they'll [TS]

01:36:14   spend more time on performance and bugs [TS]

01:36:16   and features rightly so probably an [TS]

01:36:19   energy-efficiency Apple itself has [TS]

01:36:21   probably been one of the best companies [TS]

01:36:23   in terms of making your application uses [TS]

01:36:24   less power just look at how much power [TS]

01:36:26   so far users compared to chrome to see [TS]

01:36:29   how seriously they take this so apples [TS]

01:36:31   highly motivated do it because they make [TS]

01:36:32   the hardware other vendors seem to be [TS]

01:36:35   less inclined to do that and that leads [TS]

01:36:38   to the other solution which we've talked [TS]

01:36:40   about so many times in the past to this [TS]

01:36:42   problem you know we got low power mode [TS]

01:36:44   you've got improving the way that people [TS]

01:36:46   see the information you've also got [TS]

01:36:48   sorry for the umpteenth time make the [TS]

01:36:51   laptop two millimeters thick and put my [TS]

01:36:53   battery in it because if you make the [TS]

01:36:55   battery life good enough that people [TS]

01:36:57   like get through the day ish or it seems [TS]

01:37:00   about the same or better than the [TS]

01:37:02   previous one [TS]

01:37:03   then there is way way less spreading [TS]

01:37:05   about all we need a new way to present [TS]

01:37:07   this information to the user that's [TS]

01:37:09   accurate of blood like it just stops [TS]

01:37:11   being a concerned the same way that [TS]

01:37:13   battery life I iPads mostly stopped [TS]

01:37:16   being concerned I'm for the first one [TS]

01:37:19   but the fact [TS]

01:37:19   it was ten hours like oh well you know [TS]

01:37:22   from from ipad ipad when it fluctuates [TS]

01:37:25   from like i used to get 10 in the [TS]

01:37:26   previous one and I get a tan this one or [TS]

01:37:28   nine or eleven but it's long enough that [TS]

01:37:31   it's not a big deal right [TS]

01:37:33   whereas it seems like the 15 inch [TS]

01:37:34   laptops in particular have been existing [TS]

01:37:37   on the border where it's like not enough [TS]

01:37:41   to get you through a whole day of hard [TS]

01:37:43   work may be enough to get you through a [TS]

01:37:45   cross-country flight of medium work and [TS]

01:37:48   so fluctuations like this especially [TS]

01:37:49   when they can be a 2x range between [TS]

01:37:51   discrete and integrated UV uses it's [TS]

01:37:54   well within the you know discomfort [TS]

01:37:57   range so if you could add an hour or two [TS]

01:37:59   so that basically that it seems like for [TS]

01:38:01   the most part in regular usage your 2016 [TS]

01:38:04   15 inch macbook pro it's about the same [TS]

01:38:07   battery life as you 2015 then all of a [TS]

01:38:10   sudden all these concerns that we were [TS]

01:38:12   talking about become much less sergeant [TS]

01:38:15   in exchange for you having a thicker [TS]

01:38:17   laptops I don't know apples were [TS]

01:38:18   planning on pursuing that but it's not [TS]

01:38:21   like they don't have the option they do [TS]

01:38:22   make the hardware [TS]

01:38:24   yeah fair enough now Marco your post [TS]

01:38:28   that you you put up about this I have to [TS]

01:38:30   ask [TS]

01:38:31   I feel like you're trying to give a [TS]

01:38:32   subliminal message here but I just can't [TS]

01:38:34   put my finger on what is the woman when [TS]

01:38:36   the picture is like the judge giant it's [TS]

01:38:38   like bigger than the text [TS]

01:38:40   yeah it did there's a little bit of [TS]

01:38:41   inception going on here i just have to [TS]

01:38:43   congratulate you because at first I [TS]

01:38:45   didn't understand where you're going [TS]

01:38:47   with this [TS]

01:38:48   how and it took a well known for like I [TS]

01:38:50   looked at the first picture and I was [TS]

01:38:51   like okay and then i would like that was [TS]

01:38:53   really their picture of a cow and right [TS]

01:38:55   now seriously i did not understand [TS]

01:38:56   driving from the lakers I think the [TS]

01:38:58   third picture then I was like oh and [TS]

01:38:59   then that my favorite was figuring out [TS]

01:39:01   what the relevance of the last picture [TS]

01:39:02   was they said no that was well done so I [TS]

01:39:07   I are you all kidding aside you this [TS]

01:39:11   that your post anyway seems to be a [TS]

01:39:14   pretty clear statement that you think [TS]

01:39:15   that this is a poor choice [TS]

01:39:18   how would you phrase it now like what [TS]

01:39:21   what do you think about this is this is [TS]

01:39:24   this a good idea is a bad idea [TS]

01:39:26   so again there are multiple issues here [TS]

01:39:29   right so one of the issues is is this [TS]

01:39:32   better [TS]

01:39:33   you're accurate a second issue is is it [TS]

01:39:36   worth moving it because it does serve a [TS]

01:39:39   lot of useful purposes for people right [TS]

01:39:41   and and to remove it with no replacement [TS]

01:39:45   that can serve those purposes of like [TS]

01:39:47   basically gauging whether you're going [TS]

01:39:49   to make it or not that is that is not [TS]

01:39:52   great right and another issue is are [TS]

01:39:56   they doing this in response to criticism [TS]

01:39:58   that the battery life of these machines [TS]

01:39:59   is not great so I think the answer to [TS]

01:40:03   question number one of like is a better [TS]

01:40:05   meter accurate [TS]

01:40:06   the answer is well sometimes but I think [TS]

01:40:11   it's accurate often enough to be useful [TS]

01:40:13   and I wouldn't necessarily move it for [TS]

01:40:15   that I might reduce its precision and [TS]

01:40:17   drop it down to just hours and not show [TS]

01:40:19   minutes but that's just me [TS]

01:40:21   I don't work for Apple maybe there's a [TS]

01:40:22   reason okay question number two of like [TS]

01:40:25   is it is a good idea to make this [TS]

01:40:27   removal with nothing that can replace it [TS]

01:40:29   and I'd say no is it [TS]

01:40:32   fortunately those of us who care we can [TS]

01:40:35   install their party utilities or just [TS]

01:40:37   looking activity monitor because it's [TS]

01:40:38   like I i set menus has it activity [TS]

01:40:40   monitor has a coconut battery has it [TS]

01:40:42   because all these things are clearing [TS]

01:40:43   the low the low-level io kit framework [TS]

01:40:45   and I ok it's giving the same estimate [TS]

01:40:48   so not only can I can third-party apps [TS]

01:40:49   provide their own estimates but they're [TS]

01:40:51   using the same data source i think in [TS]

01:40:53   most cases they're using the same data [TS]

01:40:55   source that would that is the thing that [TS]

01:40:57   was driving that menu bar so it's not [TS]

01:40:58   like you getting a different estimate [TS]

01:41:00   you're getting the same underlying [TS]

01:41:01   framework is reporting these numbers [TS]

01:41:02   just in a different UI so that's cool i [TS]

01:41:05   personally use istat menus for that i [TS]

01:41:07   like is that means quite a bit so go [TS]

01:41:09   check that out [TS]

01:41:10   so you know basically question number [TS]

01:41:12   one Apple Apple had a navy ok answer for [TS]

01:41:14   that one question number two removing it [TS]

01:41:16   without having any replacement for this [TS]

01:41:18   function at the I don't think Apple has [TS]

01:41:20   an answer for that [TS]

01:41:21   and question number 3 like is this [TS]

01:41:22   actually just are in response to try to [TS]

01:41:26   maybe cover up the battery problem a [TS]

01:41:29   little bit and I don't think Apple have [TS]

01:41:32   a good response to that either at least [TS]

01:41:35   one that would be believable so [TS]

01:41:37   basically to me [TS]

01:41:39   this reads poorly that this reads like a [TS]

01:41:44   PR band-aid [TS]

01:41:46   on what is legitimate product [TS]

01:41:48   shortcomings that I hope Apple addresses [TS]

01:41:50   and not a successful band aid not even [TS]

01:41:52   worried vandy probably something it's [TS]

01:41:54   not going to various if it's a clever [TS]

01:41:56   way to keep people quiet this this will [TS]

01:41:58   do the out have the opposite effect [TS]

01:41:59   right so now the the interesting [TS]

01:42:02   footnote to this is that the early [TS]

01:42:04   reports of this OS update our than [TS]

01:42:07   actually improves battery life [TS]

01:42:09   noticeably of course of course making [TS]

01:42:13   this making this more complicated and [TS]

01:42:15   kind of hilarious [TS]

01:42:17   so apparently there were some issues [TS]

01:42:20   with with the GPU management and you [TS]

01:42:24   don't say and and apparently there is [TS]

01:42:28   some of these issue has some issues have [TS]

01:42:30   been fixed in the dot to release i [TS]

01:42:33   personally I'm seeing with my now [TS]

01:42:35   illicit tools to show me a battery [TS]

01:42:37   estimate I'm now seeing estimates of [TS]

01:42:41   more like 12 hours under my idol users [TS]

01:42:44   and I haven't I don't have only had this [TS]

01:42:45   update installed now for a few hours so [TS]

01:42:47   I really can't give a real report yet [TS]

01:42:50   but macrumors already has a thing about [TS]

01:42:52   saying like they're hearing for people [TS]

01:42:53   to like it seems like this might be a [TS]

01:42:55   real thing that this update actually [TS]

01:42:57   does improve battery life noticeably on [TS]

01:43:00   this on this computer at least at idle [TS]

01:43:02   i'm guessing how much of this is the end [TS]

01:43:04   of your first run experience jobs you [TS]

01:43:07   talking about the ending with the photo [TS]

01:43:09   library stuff spotlight photo library [TS]

01:43:11   all the crap that you know on a fresh [TS]

01:43:13   Mac that's newly signed into your iCloud [TS]

01:43:15   and then you know doing all the stuff [TS]

01:43:17   that happens after you doing install and [TS]

01:43:19   put all your apps on and you're [TS]

01:43:20   mentioning how like was taking forever [TS]

01:43:22   her for photos to be done doing whatever [TS]

01:43:24   the hell was doing maybe it's done now [TS]

01:43:25   nowhere close [TS]

01:43:27   no photos I'm honestly thinking about [TS]

01:43:29   just leaving for iCloud photo library [TS]

01:43:32   and just moving on because the at the [TS]

01:43:35   the mac app I first of all I I think I [TS]

01:43:40   don't want to make this a complaint [TS]

01:43:41   about Apple because i actually have been [TS]

01:43:42   very positive episode so far for the [TS]

01:43:44   most part however the the photos for mac [TS]

01:43:47   app I I it has so much potential and i [TS]

01:43:53   would say almost all of the potential is [TS]

01:43:56   unrealized that's the nicest way I can [TS]

01:43:58   put it [TS]

01:43:59   well done so and i do think that the the [TS]

01:44:03   decision that Apple did the summer to to [TS]

01:44:06   have their their their photo object [TS]

01:44:10   recognition basically be done on device [TS]

01:44:13   and then to not sink that across devices [TS]

01:44:15   so basically every device you setup has [TS]

01:44:17   to do its own image and object [TS]

01:44:19   recognition and face recognition in the [TS]

01:44:21   Photos app i think that that was a [TS]

01:44:24   mistake it's not really a decision based [TS]

01:44:26   on the the lot talk show live where this [TS]

01:44:28   very issue was brought over was so clear [TS]

01:44:30   from i think was Craig answering the [TS]

01:44:31   question that the only reason that's the [TS]

01:44:33   case is because they didn't have time to [TS]

01:44:34   do the better solution [TS]

01:44:35   well like that's a decision that it was [TS]

01:44:38   their decision to ship it [TS]

01:44:39   yeah i know but like what I think it was [TS]

01:44:40   the right decision to ship it instead of [TS]

01:44:42   waiting until they got that like I think [TS]

01:44:43   they made the right call they're like [TS]

01:44:45   you either delay until you get this [TS]

01:44:46   solution for me so those three options [TS]

01:44:49   are you know the others like doing like [TS]

01:44:51   Google doesn't all server-side apples on [TS]

01:44:52   to the privacy don't ship it or ship it [TS]

01:44:55   with the less efficient thing and I [TS]

01:44:57   think they pick the right option is that [TS]

01:44:58   shame it's a shame that it didn't have [TS]

01:45:00   it worked out [TS]

01:45:01   it's a shame on you for your battery and [TS]

01:45:03   it has to do this and everything on your [TS]

01:45:04   max but definitely I wouldn't wait a [TS]

01:45:07   lecture year for this application [TS]

01:45:09   well that well but you were you weren't [TS]

01:45:12   waiting for the application you were [TS]

01:45:13   only waiting for the the search the [TS]

01:45:15   object search [TS]

01:45:16   yeah I I appreciate the object search [TS]

01:45:18   enough that I'm willing to I mean [TS]

01:45:20   they're great i don't have laptops right [TS]

01:45:22   but I'm totally i will pay the price for [TS]

01:45:24   and I minded the same thing by the way [TS]

01:45:26   the same like sir when is this ever [TS]

01:45:27   going to finish and is there a way I can [TS]

01:45:29   make it go and let me leave my computer [TS]

01:45:31   on and said not to go to sleep I did all [TS]

01:45:32   the same things you did so I had all the [TS]

01:45:34   same frustrations and yet still I would [TS]

01:45:36   say that the benefit i get from being [TS]

01:45:38   able to type something in and find [TS]

01:45:39   photos is worth it to me so I've had [TS]

01:45:42   I've had this laptop now for I mean this [TS]

01:45:44   one this one I've had for over a week [TS]

01:45:46   and it is less than halfway done [TS]

01:45:51   scanning my photo library isn't making [TS]

01:45:53   any progress that's the key mine for a [TS]

01:45:55   long time didn't look like it was making [TS]

01:45:56   any progress [TS]

01:45:57   it's making very slow progress so I i'm [TS]

01:46:00   keeping tractors I guess screenshot the [TS]

01:46:02   the people tab or shows the actual [TS]

01:46:04   numbers because you can memorize it into [TS]

01:46:05   the graph in your head right right [TS]

01:46:07   exactly right there you go [TS]

01:46:10   and.and like it I don't know how to make [TS]

01:46:12   it go but anyway it doesn't it seems the [TS]

01:46:17   that the the photo indexing is not [TS]

01:46:19   mostly a battery problem because when [TS]

01:46:22   it's on battery it doesn't seem to do it [TS]

01:46:24   it seems to be smart about that when you [TS]

01:46:26   plug it in the photos agent will require [TS]

01:46:29   the discrete GPU and will start to [TS]

01:46:31   invade and the next thing I so I believe [TS]

01:46:33   it's gpu-based for this GPU assisted [TS]

01:46:35   which is nice [TS]

01:46:36   that's one of the things by the way at [TS]

01:46:37   WWDC that they emphasize for years and [TS]

01:46:39   years being having all sorts of power [TS]

01:46:42   assertions and being aware of the [TS]

01:46:43   context that you're in and if you're on [TS]

01:46:45   battery life like that's that's what [TS]

01:46:46   they want to happen instead of having [TS]

01:46:47   like a big low-power mode button or [TS]

01:46:49   anything like that they just want [TS]

01:46:50   applications to be smart and understand [TS]

01:46:52   what the deal isn't you know behave like [TS]

01:46:53   apples things that go you super low [TS]

01:46:55   priority I oh and don't even run this at [TS]

01:46:57   all if you're on battery and do all they [TS]

01:46:59   have a B is for all this stuff but hey [TS]

01:47:01   like I said it slow down on developers [TS]

01:47:03   part of us and be even though they have [TS]

01:47:05   all that stuff on a platform like iOS it [TS]

01:47:07   is still both useful and I think [TS]

01:47:09   recommended to have a low-power mode [TS]

01:47:11   that comes on automatically when you [TS]

01:47:12   really low and that the user can put on [TS]

01:47:14   any time they want because that is that [TS]

01:47:16   is the right granularity I feel like one [TS]

01:47:18   switch somewhere easily accessible with [TS]

01:47:20   some visual indication it's on like the [TS]

01:47:22   yellow battery meter whatever iOS shows [TS]

01:47:24   i still think that feature they should [TS]

01:47:27   totally identical I i agree and and on [TS]

01:47:30   iOS like I actually do an overcast I i [TS]

01:47:34   have like whenever i have any kind of [TS]

01:47:36   like sink activity the choice that I [TS]

01:47:39   have a lot of choices about like how [TS]

01:47:41   much do i wait and coalesce all these [TS]

01:47:43   think updates before actually make a [TS]

01:47:44   network request to my server and you [TS]

01:47:46   know Angeles into a show like how often [TS]

01:47:48   do I report to the server what time [TS]

01:47:50   stamp you've listened up to so that it [TS]

01:47:52   can sink to your other devices reliably [TS]

01:47:54   like I have all sorts of like you know [TS]

01:47:56   cole s delays and and granularity delays [TS]

01:47:59   things like that and i run them all [TS]

01:48:01   through a function that applies [TS]

01:48:03   multipliers based on the current power [TS]

01:48:06   state whether you're on Wi-Fi or [TS]

01:48:08   cellular whether your batteries above [TS]

01:48:09   certain thresholds and whether low-power [TS]

01:48:11   mode is activated so when low power mode [TS]

01:48:13   activated i believe i just multiply [TS]

01:48:14   everything by like four or something [TS]

01:48:15   which is like make everything really [TS]

01:48:17   spaced out and so again I actually [TS]

01:48:19   dynamically adjust all of those you know [TS]

01:48:21   based on all the different factors of [TS]

01:48:22   like you know basically [TS]

01:48:24   how much power do you have to spare and [TS]

01:48:25   how much power will this take right now [TS]

01:48:27   like you're on Wi-Fi i guess i do things [TS]

01:48:29   more often if you're on Tyler I don't if [TS]

01:48:31   you know so all these I always different [TS]

01:48:33   multipliers in there and it really helps [TS]

01:48:35   a lot to control myself better usage but [TS]

01:48:37   i did all that because it matters on iOS [TS]

01:48:40   it matters a lot and it has mattered [TS]

01:48:42   since the beginning of iOS on the mac [TS]

01:48:44   for so long I think developers weren't [TS]

01:48:47   needed to do really much of that because [TS]

01:48:49   it didn't really matter like how much [TS]

01:48:51   did with that actually affect people's [TS]

01:48:52   battery lies in the past but you know as [TS]

01:48:54   we move towards this now massive Delta [TS]

01:48:57   between when the process is active and [TS]

01:48:59   went to idle this madness now massive [TS]

01:49:02   Delta of battery life now it matters a [TS]

01:49:04   lot more and so I hope Mac developers [TS]

01:49:08   are conscientious of this as many many [TS]

01:49:11   developers use 15-inch macbook pros [TS]

01:49:13   spoke I i hope that they are [TS]

01:49:15   conscientious to this and and will it [TS]

01:49:17   will actively work to reduce their [TS]

01:49:19   energy use now that the max that people [TS]

01:49:22   actually wearing their software on [TS]

01:49:23   basically now it matters a lot more [TS]

01:49:26   weather apps are responsible or not [TS]

01:49:28   because again before it didn't matter [TS]

01:49:29   much at all and now it matters a lot [TS]

01:49:32   and as time goes on it's very clear that [TS]

01:49:35   you know we've been honest on this path [TS]

01:49:37   for a while now that we are going to [TS]

01:49:40   continue to make idle power savings and [TS]

01:49:44   continue to not really lower the ceiling [TS]

01:49:46   very much of maximum power so this issue [TS]

01:49:49   is only going to get worse this Delta is [TS]

01:49:51   only going to get larger over time as [TS]

01:49:53   you make these further advancements in [TS]

01:49:55   power efficiency so it will only become [TS]

01:49:58   more important over time for everyone to [TS]

01:50:01   really optimize their powers when your [TS]

01:50:02   battery and so I hope people do i hope [TS]

01:50:05   the the mac developer ecosystem is [TS]

01:50:07   healthy enough that people have the [TS]

01:50:10   motivation and resources to update their [TS]

01:50:12   apps that much I i hope that they are [TS]

01:50:14   conscious enough to do it and i look [TS]

01:50:17   forward to seeing if they do not like [TS]

01:50:19   the future is desktop computers that [TS]

01:50:21   don't you think [TS]

01:50:22   God thanks 143 sponsors this week [TS]

01:50:26   betterment hover and square space and we [TS]

01:50:28   will see you next week [TS]

01:50:31   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:50:36   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:50:39   death was accidental [TS]

01:50:43   John's research Marco and Casey would [TS]

01:50:47   help [TS]

01:50:48   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:50:51   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:50:55   know today p dot and its twitter follow [TS]

01:51:03   them [TS]

01:51:03   [Music] [TS]

01:51:04   yes byl ISS that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:51:09   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our see us [TS]

01:51:18   syracuse it [TS]

01:51:30   have you been watching anymore Grand [TS]

01:51:36   Tour kids know everyone says that sucks [TS]

01:51:39   so I just decided to [TS]

01:51:40   you're the only one left watching AZ [TS]

01:51:41   yeah it kind of seems like based on my [TS]

01:51:45   case you basically what you wrote and [TS]

01:51:47   what I see if you have people say as [TS]

01:51:48   well I really does seem like i got the [TS]

01:51:52   best of all worlds by watching episode 1 [TS]

01:51:54   then stopping I don't know if that's [TS]

01:51:57   entirely true i stand by Skip episode 2 [TS]

01:52:00   but or come back to it well after the [TS]

01:52:03   fact I i do still like the show but man [TS]

01:52:09   I don't love it like I used to [TS]

01:52:10   well I mean admittedly that was a [TS]

01:52:12   different show if you want to be [TS]

01:52:13   authentic about it you know what I'm [TS]

01:52:14   driving at [TS]

01:52:15   I'm curious to see what this week brings [TS]

01:52:18   not having seen all of the the ones past [TS]

01:52:21   episode 17 horrible even just seeing [TS]

01:52:24   episode one even though i enjoyed it i [TS]

01:52:26   could see this path of you know we [TS]

01:52:29   talked about here this path of like you [TS]

01:52:30   know this seems like they're pushing a [TS]

01:52:32   little hard on these certain areas that [TS]

01:52:33   don't work and anything you know [TS]

01:52:35   honestly even in the last couple seasons [TS]

01:52:38   of the bbctopgear show with them on it [TS]

01:52:40   they know that version of it you could [TS]

01:52:43   tell it was starting to go in some [TS]

01:52:45   directions that work fringe worthy and [TS]

01:52:47   it was starting to lose is some of the [TS]

01:52:50   best for getting a little more contrived [TS]

01:52:51   and it was starting to lose some of its [TS]

01:52:54   charm in in a lot of it as it got like [TS]

01:52:57   seemingly more contrived and seeming [TS]

01:52:59   less just kind of like raw I guess [TS]

01:53:03   well that's the thing is that you know [TS]

01:53:06   I'm pretty good at being able to watch [TS]

01:53:08   you know a filmer or TV show and and not [TS]

01:53:11   pick apart [TS]

01:53:12   how was made or what was real and what [TS]

01:53:15   wasn't [TS]

01:53:16   but we're in top gear i could watch most [TS]

01:53:21   of them and feel like it was a contrived [TS]

01:53:25   situation that they just let play out [TS]

01:53:27   right you know let's race to Verbier and [TS]

01:53:29   see what happens and yes there are [TS]

01:53:31   probably more efficient ways to go then [TS]

01:53:33   I forget how that one went but like bus [TS]

01:53:35   to train to plane to train to bus to [TS]

01:53:38   running etc there's probably a more [TS]

01:53:40   efficient way but that [TS]

01:53:42   take around the same amount of time it [TS]

01:53:44   takes Jeremy to drive it so let's set it [TS]

01:53:46   up so that it should be interesting and [TS]

01:53:48   then let it play out [TS]

01:53:49   and so there's a lot of that was [TS]

01:53:52   probably staged and deliberate and a lot [TS]

01:53:54   and I think a lot of it that wasn't [TS]

01:53:55   whereas in Grand Tour [TS]

01:53:57   it seems like its way heavy on staging [TS]

01:54:02   everything to the point that it's [TS]

01:54:03   obvious and as we discussed i think last [TS]

01:54:06   time I think the three hosts have [TS]

01:54:08   forgotten that they're not actors which [TS]

01:54:10   is troubling and so the second episode [TS]

01:54:13   was was very self-indulgent and very [TS]

01:54:15   much time trying to act the third [TS]

01:54:17   episode actually thought was pretty good [TS]

01:54:18   I I like that one and then this last [TS]

01:54:21   episode some was good some was not and [TS]

01:54:24   so I don't know i'm curious to see where [TS]

01:54:27   this goes i think if i understand it [TS]

01:54:30   right this is a like 12-episode run I [TS]

01:54:32   thought although i might be wrong about [TS]

01:54:34   me that maybe there's only a couple more [TS]

01:54:36   either way i'm curious to see how this [TS]

01:54:39   plays out now John you also have not [TS]

01:54:40   been watching is that correct that's [TS]

01:54:42   mostly just because i haven't had time [TS]

01:54:43   to watch anything like I have been [TS]

01:54:47   sitting there with my ipad which is [TS]

01:54:48   where I usually watch this thing and [TS]

01:54:49   thinking I should catch a few minutes [TS]

01:54:51   i'm almost watched it's not like i'm i'm [TS]

01:54:53   against ever watching it again but i [TS]

01:54:56   will probably be leaning pretty heavily [TS]

01:54:58   on the skip button to get to the part [TS]

01:54:59   that has to do with cars but yeah which [TS]

01:55:03   man you're gonna go to be doing a lot of [TS]

01:55:05   skipping skipping and maybe or maybe [TS]

01:55:07   I'll just have it on the background when [TS]

01:55:08   I'm you know doing something else I [TS]

01:55:10   don't know [TS]

01:55:11   yeah yeah the stuff you're never really [TS]

01:55:13   used to be a second-screen kind of show [TS]

01:55:15   for me or are ya i never used to really [TS]

01:55:17   like what it look at twitter while I was [TS]

01:55:19   watching top gear and and I caught [TS]

01:55:21   myself barely paying attention during I [TS]

01:55:23   don't like the second or maybe fourth [TS]

01:55:25   episode it's okay though it's okay now [TS]

01:55:29   Marco in a semi-related note is this [TS]

01:55:31   your first winter with the tussle yeah [TS]

01:55:33   yeah yeah I got it like in March or [TS]

01:55:34   April soon [TS]

01:55:35   yeah anything interesting come of that [TS]

01:55:37   well we we haven't had any snow yet [TS]

01:55:39   really like it snowed for like five [TS]

01:55:41   minutes 19 that was it so it we haven't [TS]

01:55:43   really had winter weather to deal with [TS]

01:55:45   you have to change tires [TS]

01:55:46   i I'm not planning on doing it this year [TS]

01:55:49   I will see how it works I've all seasons [TS]

01:55:51   now with the m5 I I had you know [TS]

01:55:53   basically like flat balls of rubber on [TS]

01:55:56   there for the summer times i think that [TS]

01:55:58   like its stock tires were like comically [TS]

01:56:01   ineffective in any kind of slippery or [TS]

01:56:02   cold weather so I i used winter tires [TS]

01:56:05   you know seasonally for that because I [TS]

01:56:07   kind of had to make it useful this you [TS]

01:56:12   know that the test was all wheel drive [TS]

01:56:13   as i mentioned it when i did the test [TS]

01:56:15   drive which was last February's are [TS]

01:56:17   really cold day with a whole bunch of [TS]

01:56:19   like you know mud and crap and graph all [TS]

01:56:21   over the roads i was blown away by how [TS]

01:56:23   good the other drive system was I know [TS]

01:56:26   that battery range is going to be less [TS]

01:56:29   in the winter because a combination of [TS]

01:56:31   just batteries being less effective at [TS]

01:56:34   very cold temperatures and also using [TS]

01:56:37   the heaters will reduce the rains a lot [TS]

01:56:39   so I expect that and that's you know I [TS]

01:56:43   knew that going in [TS]

01:56:44   that's fine we'll see how it goes in [TS]

01:56:45   practice but i'm not concerned really [TS]

01:56:47   i'm looking forward to the [TS]

01:56:49   all-wheel-drive i'm looking forward to [TS]

01:56:50   seeing how it performs in horrible [TS]

01:56:55   conditions and yeah that's it [TS]

01:56:58   I i had to start my snowblower recently [TS]

01:57:01   which was interesting [TS]

01:57:03   did you end up with a gas one or an [TS]

01:57:04   electric one I don't recall i ended up [TS]

01:57:06   with a gas one it was delivered about a [TS]

01:57:09   day after the last snow of last season [TS]

01:57:12   naturally so it was so the guy who [TS]

01:57:15   delivered it started up for me to show [TS]

01:57:17   me the kind of how to do it and then put [TS]

01:57:20   in the garage and wait for snow which [TS]

01:57:23   never came so at the end of the season [TS]

01:57:24   very people who knew about these who [TS]

01:57:27   knew about such things because I've [TS]

01:57:29   never owned a gas-powered a lot of [TS]

01:57:31   plants of any sort so I had no idea how [TS]

01:57:34   to take care of them so i asked some [TS]

01:57:35   friends and did some research on the [TS]

01:57:37   internet and ask the company who made it [TS]

01:57:38   like a stone did their support thing and [TS]

01:57:40   and basically they recommended things [TS]

01:57:42   that they said was like you know to [TS]

01:57:44   basically drain the engine like to run [TS]

01:57:46   dry so i had to start it up once like in [TS]

01:57:50   April to do this to just run a drive [TS]

01:57:53   from a little bit of gas they deliver it [TS]

01:57:54   with took me a very long time to figure [TS]

01:57:56   how to start about even though it has [TS]

01:57:57   electric start delightful it is later [TS]

01:58:00   Tesla's done to you don't even know how [TS]

01:58:02   to start an internal combustion engine [TS]

01:58:03   more exactly and it has like you know [TS]

01:58:06   like the joke squishy thing and there's [TS]

01:58:10   all sorts of stuff on there like I don't [TS]

01:58:11   have to do this let's take the squishy [TS]

01:58:14   thing as a technical term for the yeah [TS]

01:58:15   and and and and then I was like april [TS]

01:58:19   and i put it away else are and so just [TS]

01:58:21   like two weeks ago or last week I had to [TS]

01:58:23   finally take it out again because [TS]

01:58:25   everyone says you could you could like [TS]

01:58:27   start it up make sure it starts you know [TS]

01:58:28   gas before the big snow storm which ok [TS]

01:58:30   that makes sense [TS]

01:58:31   I I never do that I know yours totally [TS]

01:58:33   know you're supposed to in there right [TS]

01:58:35   I just I I thought about that earlier [TS]

01:58:37   like at the same time you're probably [TS]

01:58:38   thinking about it I had that same [TS]

01:58:39   thought I said you know what I've never [TS]

01:58:41   done that before and I'm problem i can [TS]

01:58:43   do it again yet so so you know I put gas [TS]

01:58:46   and of course of course because a I me [TS]

01:58:49   and and be I don't want to deal with it [TS]

01:58:52   i'm using like the the expensive like [TS]

01:58:54   special gas that comes in like broke [TS]

01:58:57   spray sized cans that has the premix [TS]

01:58:59   like treatments and everything so it's [TS]

01:59:01   like optimized for the this engine so [TS]

01:59:03   basically i want to use any kind of like [TS]

01:59:05   you know preserver and it's stable and [TS]

01:59:07   you could order it by mail for some [TS]

01:59:09   reason I don't know how that's legal but [TS]

01:59:12   you can do it anyway so i am putting a [TS]

01:59:17   little bit of my fancy gas and i wish i [TS]

01:59:21   was video recording myself trying to [TS]

01:59:24   start this up again because of course I [TS]

01:59:25   completely forgot the procedure and also [TS]

01:59:28   of course i was too lazy to go find [TS]

01:59:30   instruction book in case he wasn't there [TS]

01:59:32   to read it for you [TS]

01:59:33   exactly exactly I did eventually get ok [TS]

01:59:36   she would have needed because you're [TS]

01:59:37   like a real person who's operated gasps [TS]

01:59:38   things before but I have no choice i'm [TS]

01:59:40   not one of those people was it was it [TS]

01:59:42   really any more complicated than you [TS]

01:59:44   know flipping switch pumping a few [TS]

01:59:46   things and hitting the starter and maybe [TS]

01:59:48   moving to choke lever was there really [TS]

01:59:50   more to it was am I not grasping the [TS]

01:59:52   full complexity of this i think that [TS]

01:59:54   ended up being rice ok so somehow i got [TS]

01:59:57   it started eventually i pushed a bunch [TS]

01:59:59   of things and turn about [TS]

01:59:59   of things and turn about [TS]

02:00:00   things and twisted a bunch of things and [TS]

02:00:01   pulled some things and eventually it [TS]

02:00:02   worked and then eventually likewise a [TS]

02:00:04   sputtering so much at all i got turned [TS]

02:00:06   this thing from start to go and so yeah [TS]

02:00:09   so it was i wish i wish you were there [TS]

02:00:12   to laugh at me during this process i [TS]

02:00:14   wish i was there like a friendly [TS]

02:00:16   neighbor to come over to put you out of [TS]

02:00:18   your misery [TS]

02:00:18   maybe you're right that I could have [TS]

02:00:20   electrical starter really dampens the [TS]

02:00:23   the comedy effect because if it had a [TS]

02:00:25   pull start that would be more fun to [TS]

02:00:27   watch you do well I couldn't get the [TS]

02:00:29   truck to work i eventually but [TS]

02:00:31   eventually pulled it and it started up [TS]

02:00:34   upon pulling it it with such ease and I [TS]

02:00:38   don't know if that's because it's new or [TS]

02:00:39   because maybe the electric start like [TS]

02:00:41   assisted it upon pulling because when i [TS]

02:00:44   was trying that they'll start like [TS]

02:00:45   there's a button next to the plug was in [TS]

02:00:46   its unlabeled and i plug it in and push [TS]

02:00:49   in just like nothing happened no [TS]

02:00:50   response at all so i don't know if the [TS]

02:00:52   if the electric starts broken or if I [TS]

02:00:54   just I i need to read the manual but [TS]

02:00:56   story of your life but I didn't pull [TS]

02:00:59   starting it and it was super easy i was [TS]

02:01:01   picturing like it we see my life [TS]

02:01:03   triumphantly old lawnmower and they're [TS]

02:01:05   like the pulling with all their bodily [TS]

02:01:08   might and now it's like brand-new and [TS]

02:01:10   they have like you know it it modern [TS]

02:01:14   things are way easier to pull start than [TS]

02:01:15   they used to be first and second of all [TS]

02:01:17   things brand-new of course better pull [TS]

02:01:18   it better be firing before you can get [TS]

02:01:20   through the first pole it yet loving I i [TS]

02:01:22   had to pull 12 hours ago but now it's [TS]

02:01:24   going like ok I i did eventually figure [TS]

02:01:28   this out it was comical I i do wish you [TS]

02:01:30   guys were there because you would have [TS]

02:01:32   had a ball making fun of me and I i do [TS]

02:01:34   wish it was on video but unfortunately [TS]

02:01:36   was not planning ahead for fun making [TS]

02:01:38   fun of me when for