The Accidental Tech Podcast

199: 10,000 Hours of Coughing


00:00:00   I'm gonna go go to bed and my friends [TS]

00:00:01   and she's back in the fridge yeah good [TS]

00:00:03   and i would recommend that [TS]

00:00:04   how's things yeah still coughing but you [TS]

00:00:08   know it's winter and I have a kid so [TS]

00:00:10   that's good that's a given right every [TS]

00:00:13   ounce of my being wants to get smug [TS]

00:00:14   about how all come on I never get sick [TS]

00:00:16   you can't you must be just your week of [TS]

00:00:19   immune system but i know that i will be [TS]

00:00:22   paying this price in 23 years at 1-year [TS]

00:00:24   try one year probably that's true so my [TS]

00:00:29   office has opened a San Francisco well [TS]

00:00:33   strictly speaking an Oakland office [TS]

00:00:35   which i guess is different enough from [TS]

00:00:36   San Francisco that people from the area [TS]

00:00:38   get perturbed if you confuse the two [TS]

00:00:40   those California sensitivities and [TS]

00:00:43   indeed well they've opened a Oakland [TS]

00:00:47   office and the other day i was trying to [TS]

00:00:49   get something accomplished with one of [TS]

00:00:51   my co-workers out there and he had said [TS]

00:00:54   oh I have to go for a long lunch because [TS]

00:00:56   all the executives are in town and so [TS]

00:00:58   you know always on vacation California [TS]

00:01:00   blah blah and then I finally caught up [TS]

00:01:03   with him after his launch this is [TS]

00:01:04   already like roughly quitting time for [TS]

00:01:06   me and he says oh you know what I can't [TS]

00:01:09   do a google hangout with you to work [TS]

00:01:11   through this issue because we're all [TS]

00:01:13   going to the Tesla factory for a tour [TS]

00:01:15   right now and i'm jealous i wish i could [TS]

00:01:18   go on and I'm said don't get free cars [TS]

00:01:21   you know they just you know see other [TS]

00:01:23   cars being made [TS]

00:01:24   I loved the BMW factory tour so much it [TS]

00:01:27   was almost if not a problem was one of [TS]

00:01:30   the highlights of that trip I thought it [TS]

00:01:31   was in nominally cool yeah just a video [TS]

00:01:35   that uh that I think I Greg put on [TS]

00:01:37   Twitter of the it slave you know metal [TS]

00:01:41   milling machine lathe oh my god yeah [TS]

00:01:43   with it with the coolant coming out [TS]

00:01:45   these the center or not that when he [TS]

00:01:46   showed it was that you know ladies just [TS]

00:01:48   think that spins an item and usually [TS]

00:01:50   bring it to close to it as it spins you [TS]

00:01:52   can shave off parts but this is the [TS]

00:01:53   thing where the items spun and also the [TS]

00:01:56   the cutting tool also moved in and out [TS]

00:01:59   and up and down and it was making [TS]

00:02:00   basically a crankshaft for an engine [TS]

00:02:02   which you know I totally missed that it [TS]

00:02:05   really could be because it's got to you [TS]

00:02:06   can imagine I crankshaft looks like you [TS]

00:02:08   can't just lay that out it's not a [TS]

00:02:10   rotationally symmetrical so it has to [TS]

00:02:12   cut all that stuff [TS]

00:02:13   like its rotating the pieces imagine [TS]

00:02:15   just trying to cut like part of the part [TS]

00:02:16   of a crank shaft that connects to the [TS]

00:02:17   piston right wallet while the crank [TS]

00:02:20   shaft is rotating along its normal [TS]

00:02:21   rotation also whole thing that cuts the [TS]

00:02:23   piston and has to trace that to make [TS]

00:02:25   like it was amazing amazing looking [TS]

00:02:27   I don't know if that's how all [TS]

00:02:28   crankshafts are made like this is what [TS]

00:02:30   it takes to make one crankshaft no [TS]

00:02:31   wonder and wonder internal combustion [TS]

00:02:33   engines cost so much money seriously was [TS]

00:02:35   this great Coney yeah I am thoroughly [TS]

00:02:38   intrigued by this and I i follow Greg's [TS]

00:02:40   i'm surprised that i didn't notice it [TS]

00:02:42   when it flew by [TS]

00:02:42   maybe I declare bankruptcy that day or [TS]

00:02:44   something fair enough how's everything [TS]

00:02:47   else so Marco sick John you alive [TS]

00:02:49   yeah I'm okay I'm activity worrying [TS]

00:02:51   about my my children's health my son has [TS]

00:02:53   had a cough for a month now somewhere in [TS]

00:02:56   the middle more than a month somewhere [TS]

00:02:57   in the middle of that after several [TS]

00:02:59   weeks we took him to the doctor and [TS]

00:03:00   they're like no he doesn't have you know [TS]

00:03:02   bronchitis or pneumonia or any other [TS]

00:03:04   thing that we can do anything about and [TS]

00:03:06   they just give them an inhaler and send [TS]

00:03:07   him home and it's like you still [TS]

00:03:09   coughing so now we're trying like zyrtec [TS]

00:03:10   just like allergy medication and a [TS]

00:03:12   theory that like somehow he's allergic [TS]

00:03:14   to the change in seasons and I don't [TS]

00:03:16   know and I thought I spend most of my [TS]

00:03:17   time worrying about them but i'm i'm [TS]

00:03:19   doing fine [TS]

00:03:19   fisherman's friend was that cough like [TS]

00:03:22   crazy cough drop thing that you like [TS]

00:03:24   sucking on gross tasting things care is [TS]

00:03:26   also cold it was so okay [TS]

00:03:29   basically yes they are my crazy girls [TS]

00:03:31   cough drops the fisherman's friend [TS]

00:03:33   original you know red labeled variety [TS]

00:03:35   you can get them on amazon i even which [TS]

00:03:37   is nice [TS]

00:03:38   they basically have like the most [TS]

00:03:39   menthol and the least sugar of of most [TS]

00:03:43   costly the problem cough drops is [TS]

00:03:44   basically that they only really work [TS]

00:03:47   when they're in your mouth once they're [TS]

00:03:48   gone they stopped working almost [TS]

00:03:50   immediately and but they do work while [TS]

00:03:52   you still have them and so you can tend [TS]

00:03:55   to have a lot of them you're really [TS]

00:03:56   coughing a lot and you can have to make [TS]

00:03:58   it all day [TS]

00:03:58   you tend to have a lot of cough drops in [TS]

00:04:00   in one day and if you have the regular [TS]

00:04:02   like you know big square ricola kind or [TS]

00:04:04   things like that they your your mouth [TS]

00:04:07   shut so coated in sugar just disgusting [TS]

00:04:10   your teeth get all slightly just really [TS]

00:04:11   gross in your mouth after not that long [TS]

00:04:13   the time whereas Fisherman's Friend [TS]

00:04:15   they're incredibly strong like very [TS]

00:04:18   dense menthol flavor and and there's a [TS]

00:04:20   lot less sugar in them and they look [TS]

00:04:22   gross and they taste gross else ok but [TS]

00:04:24   they do they come with me little [TS]

00:04:26   like a little Ziploc pal she can just [TS]

00:04:28   keep that pouch in your pocket [TS]

00:04:30   you don't have to like be unwrapping [TS]

00:04:31   cough drops ricotta and then happy what [TS]

00:04:33   do you do with these two rappers and [TS]

00:04:35   come around each one and you gotta eat [TS]

00:04:36   like a whole pocketful of spent cock [TS]

00:04:38   drop rapper like it avoid that problem [TS]

00:04:40   too [TS]

00:04:40   so in that they're good oh yeah a friend [TS]

00:04:43   of ours [TS]

00:04:44   the neighbor / friend swore by whatever [TS]

00:04:48   it is the fisherman's friend that I [TS]

00:04:49   guess you had recommended years ago and [TS]

00:04:51   said because he has like a seasonal [TS]

00:04:53   cough that just won't go away for months [TS]

00:04:54   and and yeah he told me that the this [TS]

00:04:57   real deal that those are the only things [TS]

00:04:59   i can get him from hack it to keep him [TS]

00:05:01   from hacking constantly yeah i mean like [TS]

00:05:02   they're it's just menthol cough drops [TS]

00:05:04   like there's no secret ingredient its [TS]

00:05:05   menthol cough drops but menthol works [TS]

00:05:08   and as far as I could tell from the [TS]

00:05:10   basic research i did like couple years [TS]

00:05:12   ago I did there doesn't seem to be like [TS]

00:05:14   any kind of horrible side effects using [TS]

00:05:15   a bunch of metal clatters when you have [TS]

00:05:17   a cough so it it seems like it's a [TS]

00:05:19   pretty good bet it is very effective [TS]

00:05:22   when you have this kind of broccoli [TS]

00:05:24   irritation nothing else really works to [TS]

00:05:27   stop it like ego treatment treating it [TS]

00:05:30   with like an inhaler and things can can [TS]

00:05:32   solve the long-term problem but if you [TS]

00:05:33   are coughing over-the-counter stuff like [TS]

00:05:35   DXM syrup is not really affect this kind [TS]

00:05:37   of cough so I'm an expert in coughing [TS]

00:05:40   the last few years only in the winter [TS]

00:05:43   time about 10,000 hours is all it takes [TS]

00:05:45   right to 10,000 hours of coffee yeah [TS]

00:05:46   i'll get there give me a few more years [TS]

00:05:50   yeah yeah it's this is the video John [TS]

00:05:52   yeah so if you go to like you know the [TS]

00:05:54   three quarters of the way done is [TS]

00:05:55   starting to take shape is what you [TS]

00:05:56   really want to see is how does a [TS]

00:05:57   carve-out the little parts that connect [TS]

00:05:59   to the Pistons because those aren't [TS]

00:06:00   along the rotational axis and then you [TS]

00:06:02   see the thing rotating in the tool the [TS]

00:06:05   same time it's this it's crazy [TS]

00:06:07   oh my I mean you just wanted to watch [TS]

00:06:09   the whole video can be kind of [TS]

00:06:11   meditative to watch a 15-minute video [TS]

00:06:12   machine building another part of a man [TS]

00:06:15   god that's intense [TS]

00:06:16   wow that is pretty damn cool I want one [TS]

00:06:19   of these friend for no reason just I [TS]

00:06:21   want to think it's bigger than your [TS]

00:06:22   house [TS]

00:06:23   oh I'm sure it is there's no doubt in my [TS]

00:06:24   mind that it is but i kinda want it i [TS]

00:06:26   think of all the cool things I would [TS]

00:06:28   never be able to figure out how to build [TS]

00:06:29   this is what Greg just has one of the [TS]

00:06:31   niftiest jobs in the world this is what [TS]

00:06:34   like when you when you're a software [TS]

00:06:35   developer anybody who like builds [TS]

00:06:37   physical objects just blows your mind [TS]

00:06:39   maybe we don't make anything like we [TS]

00:06:41   just make its move around we make [TS]

00:06:43   nothing and so that the physical world [TS]

00:06:45   like baffles us it's like mystic work [TS]

00:06:48   all that weed we don't know how these [TS]

00:06:49   things get here they just get here we [TS]

00:06:50   can we complain about them don't include [TS]

00:06:52   me in this I know how things get here [TS]

00:06:54   I know where food comes from your [TS]

00:06:56   weekend that's why you are royal and I'm [TS]

00:06:57   servile no food comes from square [TS]

00:07:00   packages and so we should probably start [TS]

00:07:02   with some follow-up and try to get this [TS]

00:07:04   train back on the tracks [TS]

00:07:05   I so Alex how old wrote in to tell us [TS]

00:07:09   about the nintendo 3ds so I believe [TS]

00:07:11   that's your job John to tell us about [TS]

00:07:13   this last show on retirement attendance [TS]

00:07:16   which I was questioning whether we were [TS]

00:07:19   all questioning like warrant for the 3ds [TS]

00:07:21   for apples of her apple for nintendo's [TS]

00:07:23   portable and I did that mistake like [TS]

00:07:24   three times the last episode 2 saying [TS]

00:07:26   Apple easy i think confused until they [TS]

00:07:28   buy each other anyway and I said you [TS]

00:07:31   know I have been following so someone [TS]

00:07:33   knows we send a link Sox hell did it's [TS]

00:07:35   an interview with the president endo who [TS]

00:07:38   I still realized in my mind I keep [TS]

00:07:40   thinking is a water but he died [TS]

00:07:42   sadly is this untimely death i think [TS]

00:07:45   last year or maybe was always here I [TS]

00:07:47   remember anyway there's this new person [TS]

00:07:49   whose name is a tattoo me kima i'm [TS]

00:07:53   pronouncing it correctly [TS]

00:07:54   Jamie she ma I'm close as an interview [TS]

00:08:01   and the question from the interview is [TS]

00:08:03   in bloomberg question will you [TS]

00:08:04   discontinue 3ds answer from the [TS]

00:08:06   president endo thanks to our software 3d [TS]

00:08:09   hardware still growing so that business [TS]

00:08:11   still has momentum and certainly rather [TS]

00:08:13   than being cannibalized by the switch we [TS]

00:08:14   think 3ds two can continue in its own [TS]

00:08:16   form which is a perfectly businesslike [TS]

00:08:18   answer that completed Marcus suggestion [TS]

00:08:21   last show which is that they're just [TS]

00:08:23   gonna keep it going if this which takes [TS]

00:08:25   off in Canada switch doesn't take off [TS]

00:08:26   then they'll be glad they kept going so [TS]

00:08:28   that seems like what they're doing [TS]

00:08:30   fair enough is that all follow up now [TS]

00:08:33   you guys are slacking off on the fault [TS]

00:08:35   I mean it was a lot of all I'm not the [TS]

00:08:37   only one with all the other follow-up [TS]

00:08:38   have item on the switch to some random [TS]

00:08:40   thing that i read that i don't have a [TS]

00:08:41   link for was about the switch when you [TS]

00:08:45   you know so you pick it up and it's like [TS]

00:08:46   a little thing you hold in your hands [TS]

00:08:47   get a little control just slide on the [TS]

00:08:49   side but what if you're gonna sit on [TS]

00:08:50   your couch and do it you put the switch [TS]

00:08:52   but it looks like a big [TS]

00:08:53   you know sixteen by nine inch screen you [TS]

00:08:56   put that in like a docking station looks [TS]

00:08:59   kind of like a napkin holder right it's [TS]

00:09:01   like a little little upright vertical [TS]

00:09:03   thing that you slide the switch into and [TS]

00:09:06   something I read the other day was that [TS]

00:09:08   when you put the switch in that docking [TS]

00:09:10   station one of the advantages to being [TS]

00:09:12   docked aside from obviously not writing [TS]

00:09:14   down the battery because the doc will be [TS]

00:09:15   connected to power is that the switch [TS]

00:09:18   itself becomes more powerful because the [TS]

00:09:20   docking station provides additional [TS]

00:09:21   cooling allowing the internals to be at [TS]

00:09:24   max you know to run at full tilt without [TS]

00:09:26   hitting thermal limits which is really [TS]

00:09:28   weird if you think about it basically [TS]

00:09:29   means when it's handheld it won't be as [TS]

00:09:31   powerful or as good as I mean like just [TS]

00:09:33   frame rate will suffer or will it [TS]

00:09:35   cranked down the detail that's part of [TS]

00:09:37   the game makers API or whatever but [TS]

00:09:39   anyway [TS]

00:09:39   all the more reason for you to just keep [TS]

00:09:41   it plugged into your TV and pretend like [TS]

00:09:43   Nintendo was still making TV connected [TS]

00:09:44   consoles instead of making really weird [TS]

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00:11:59   again John tell me what's going on with [TS]

00:12:05   your keychain sounds like there's [TS]

00:12:06   trouble in syracuse county now so Sierra [TS]

00:12:10   situation I've created my wife's imac [TS]

00:12:12   like am I to see our pretty quickly [TS]

00:12:14   after release and there i think i [TS]

00:12:17   mentioned on the show a few weird bumps [TS]

00:12:19   with keychain stuff I'm like well that [TS]

00:12:21   happens when you just did the upgrade [TS]

00:12:22   and apps need to be reauthorized because [TS]

00:12:24   they think something's different or the [TS]

00:12:25   Apple built-in apps have you know [TS]

00:12:28   updated themselves and now you know [TS]

00:12:30   whatever like that it's a common thing [TS]

00:12:34   that happens if you have great that you [TS]

00:12:35   have to do some stuff involving keychain [TS]

00:12:37   but here we are on how many months after [TS]

00:12:39   Sierra was released and I'm ready to [TS]

00:12:42   call this a persistent problem that I [TS]

00:12:44   can't attribute to data related to [TS]

00:12:47   things because it happens on we all have [TS]

00:12:49   accounts under 5k my cabins on my [TS]

00:12:50   account there and happens on her account [TS]

00:12:52   and often happens on the kids accounts [TS]

00:12:53   that they probably don't have much stuff [TS]

00:12:55   in a keychain now and this is what [TS]

00:12:56   happens so we'll be using the computer [TS]

00:12:58   you know people go up to it and switch [TS]

00:13:00   their account and do their stuff and my [TS]

00:13:01   son goes and changes as a counter plays [TS]

00:13:03   minecraft my wife comes and changes to [TS]

00:13:05   her account and does stuff you know [TS]

00:13:06   whatever use the computer while [TS]

00:13:07   everything is fine [TS]

00:13:08   there's certain point I think it's [TS]

00:13:10   probably multiple days because we never [TS]

00:13:12   turn this computer opposite goes to [TS]

00:13:13   sleep but it's never actually offer [TS]

00:13:15   restarted after a couple of days [TS]

00:13:17   you get a little notification the upper [TS]

00:13:19   right-hand corner of the screen usually [TS]

00:13:20   again I see it on my account of my [TS]

00:13:22   wife's account that's probably because [TS]

00:13:23   they're the ones on most often and it [TS]

00:13:25   says you need to create new I cloud [TS]

00:13:27   security code and the buttons on the [TS]

00:13:29   notification dialogue are created and [TS]

00:13:31   later if it later it goes away if you [TS]

00:13:33   create it opens the iCloud preference [TS]

00:13:36   pane and then does nothing like it [TS]

00:13:38   doesn't do anything I claude [TS]

00:13:39   préfontaine just sits there [TS]

00:13:41   um i actually have gone through the [TS]

00:13:43   motion of ok i will create a new I cloud [TS]

00:13:46   security code didn't even you know I [TS]

00:13:48   know how to do it i'll go into the thing [TS]

00:13:50   and click on the thing blonde enter new [TS]

00:13:52   code baba that appears to have no effect [TS]

00:13:54   you can do it but doesn't matter couple [TS]

00:13:56   days later you're going to see that like [TS]

00:13:57   when you see that dialogue was trying to [TS]

00:13:58   tell you like what you will find out [TS]

00:14:00   later if you just continue to use your [TS]

00:14:01   computer is that basically nothing [TS]

00:14:03   involving passwords works usually show [TS]

00:14:05   for me that like it can mount this [TS]

00:14:07   technology anymore because the the [TS]

00:14:09   password for the technologies and the [TS]

00:14:10   keychain right and so can mount this [TS]

00:14:12   analogy to do time machine backups to it [TS]

00:14:14   it will stop doing time machines back up [TS]

00:14:16   to it and complain that it can't do that [TS]

00:14:18   if you try to log into a website or [TS]

00:14:20   anything like that is not getting [TS]

00:14:22   passwords out of the keychain if you try [TS]

00:14:24   to login somewhere and enter a password [TS]

00:14:25   and then try to save the password will [TS]

00:14:27   say sorry couldn't say couldn't find the [TS]

00:14:29   system keychain or couldn't find the [TS]

00:14:30   login keychain or something like that to [TS]

00:14:32   save your password and if you launch [TS]

00:14:33   keychain access and look at it you see a [TS]

00:14:36   bunch of blank on blank icons in the [TS]

00:14:38   sidebar and a little Texas as read-only [TS]

00:14:40   mode like it's like your key chains are [TS]

00:14:42   all gone they're all still there if you [TS]

00:14:44   look in your library you know keychains [TS]

00:14:46   thing they're all sitting there [TS]

00:14:47   the files are there they're perfectly [TS]

00:14:49   fine as far as i can tell but keep an [TS]

00:14:50   actress won't even show their icons let [TS]

00:14:52   alone any of their contents and it says [TS]

00:14:54   everything is in read-only mode and the [TS]

00:14:55   only way to fix this is to reboot when [TS]

00:14:57   you read everything's fine again for a [TS]

00:14:58   couple days all your passwords are still [TS]

00:15:00   there [TS]

00:15:00   nothing is corrupted they removed the [TS]

00:15:02   keychain first-aid menu item i have no [TS]

00:15:04   idea what the hell it did but it made me [TS]

00:15:05   feel good i would have tried that if [TS]

00:15:07   that option is still there but is not [TS]

00:15:09   but is totally inexplicable me I keep [TS]

00:15:12   looking in activity monitor to see like [TS]

00:15:13   is there is some sec tu no demon that is [TS]

00:15:16   hung or something and I'll see it's [TS]

00:15:17   showing up as red because it's not [TS]

00:15:18   pulling events offer you know what i [TS]

00:15:19   don't like is there something I can [TS]

00:15:21   restart but I i have not figured this [TS]

00:15:23   out and because it's one of those every [TS]

00:15:25   few days type of problems sometimes [TS]

00:15:27   maybe only once a week and the cure is a [TS]

00:15:29   very fast reboot like [TS]

00:15:31   my my motivation to troubleshoot it has [TS]

00:15:35   been low but it's increasing but i don't [TS]

00:15:37   really know what to do people saying to [TS]

00:15:39   you know disk utility set user [TS]

00:15:42   permissions on everything or you have [TS]

00:15:44   the equivalent of repair permissions [TS]

00:15:46   like impressions all seem to be fine and [TS]

00:15:50   I don't quite know what is going wrong [TS]

00:15:53   after days of using the computer that [TS]

00:15:55   suddenly the keychain just go away like [TS]

00:15:57   it's not corrupt files is not corrupt [TS]

00:15:58   data because then just nothing would [TS]

00:16:00   work ever and I don't even know where to [TS]

00:16:03   distribute this to Sierra I keep hoping [TS]

00:16:05   they'll be a point update to Sierra and [TS]

00:16:07   like well whatever this will be some you [TS]

00:16:09   know glitch and then it will go away in [TS]

00:16:10   a point update but the point is face to [TS]

00:16:11   Sierra don't seem to be coming out very [TS]

00:16:13   quickly i know there's one in flight [TS]

00:16:15   right now but I'm not on the beta train [TS]

00:16:17   maybe I should get on that and see if it [TS]

00:16:19   changes things what are you doing all [TS]

00:16:21   this is say that is that has prevented [TS]

00:16:22   me one of the many things that has [TS]

00:16:24   prevented me from upgrading my [TS]

00:16:25   technically incompatible mac pro two [TS]

00:16:27   Sierra like well I don't want to do with [TS]

00:16:30   that my macpro works the way it's [TS]

00:16:32   supposed to and how many of these [TS]

00:16:33   problems so why would I want to bring [TS]

00:16:35   them on it could be related to a nice [TS]

00:16:37   imac could be related to the specific [TS]

00:16:38   data on there you know who knows it [TS]

00:16:41   could be something corrupt in iCloud [TS]

00:16:43   really I it's one of those things it's [TS]

00:16:44   very difficult to know what the deal is [TS]

00:16:46   but half the reason I'm mentioning on [TS]

00:16:49   the show is because you know I've been [TS]

00:16:50   doing it for a long time and it's you [TS]

00:16:53   know worth getting out there in case of [TS]

00:16:55   people having a problem but really it [TS]

00:16:56   selfishly I'm hoping someone's gonna [TS]

00:16:57   tell me how to fix it figures [TS]

00:16:59   I just haven't had time to dive into [TS]

00:17:01   this and figure out what the deal is and [TS]

00:17:03   googling for it is not turning up [TS]

00:17:06   anything maybe I'll actually you know [TS]

00:17:08   you know you're really desperate i'm [TS]

00:17:09   thinking of filing a radar like just [TS]

00:17:11   because working even say that after some [TS]

00:17:14   weird amount of time usually a couple [TS]

00:17:16   days this happens and i'll just send [TS]

00:17:18   them like screenshots of keychain access [TS]

00:17:19   showing everything is blank and reboot [TS]

00:17:21   and it fixes it so I don't know sort of [TS]

00:17:25   tangentially related i don't remember [TS]

00:17:28   when it was but it was easily a couple [TS]

00:17:31   years ago I used to very frequently get [TS]

00:17:33   this weird bug with my magic mouse and I [TS]

00:17:37   don't remember it happening with the [TS]

00:17:38   trackpad on my laptops but maybe it did [TS]

00:17:41   but certainly with magic mouse if I [TS]

00:17:43   would use the one fingers [TS]

00:17:45   a left-to-right scroll in order to go [TS]

00:17:48   back a page in safari the the active [TS]

00:17:52   page would move right maybe 50 points a [TS]

00:17:56   hundred points and then it would just [TS]

00:17:57   freeze and safari would be like freaking [TS]

00:17:59   useless until you quit and restart it [TS]

00:18:02   and just the last day or two this is [TS]

00:18:04   started to come back and it happened i [TS]

00:18:07   believe on both my work and personal [TS]

00:18:09   machines which was super creepy and [TS]

00:18:11   really weird and it's only happened a [TS]

00:18:14   couple times and I haven't had happened [TS]

00:18:16   since but this was infuriating when it [TS]

00:18:19   was common a couple years ago because i [TS]

00:18:21   would have to like quit safari [TS]

00:18:22   constantly and it actually also happened [TS]

00:18:24   in chrome once which was also super [TS]

00:18:27   weird and I don't need to hear anyone [TS]

00:18:30   emailing me about how I should use [TS]

00:18:31   chrome and safari or about how i should [TS]

00:18:33   use safari and chrome my my web browser [TS]

00:18:35   choices are my business thank you very [TS]

00:18:37   much but it was certainly very weird and [TS]

00:18:39   very not reliably reproducible so [TS]

00:18:43   similarly i'm not sure what kind of [TS]

00:18:44   radar I should fire file other than hey [TS]

00:18:47   look the window is frozen with the with [TS]

00:18:49   me a hundred points into a back [TS]

00:18:51   animation that's weird [TS]

00:18:53   totally sounds like a laptop bug [TS]

00:18:55   everyone has laptop always liked or [TS]

00:18:56   graphics bugs ready to like their GP [TS]

00:18:58   your drivers are weird GPU issues [TS]

00:19:00   especially with the dual GPU switching [TS]

00:19:02   stuff like that could be my favorite [TS]

00:19:05   thing is that the bug is sinking itself [TS]

00:19:06   hopefully between your work and home [TS]

00:19:07   computers right he takes head unlike [TS]

00:19:09   your board shortcut I was just about to [TS]

00:19:11   say that got hit I was just about to say [TS]

00:19:13   idea of keyboard shortcuts are still [TS]

00:19:15   lost in the ether but hey this bug is [TS]

00:19:16   sinking just great thanks iCloud oh one [TS]

00:19:19   more thing about my keychain thing I [TS]

00:19:21   remembered this many times I don't know [TS]

00:19:23   if this is related or separate for many [TS]

00:19:25   times or since upgrading to Sierra the [TS]

00:19:28   computer will get into a state where [TS]

00:19:29   cannot go to any website using HTTPS you [TS]

00:19:33   know pls know all that but it it you try [TS]

00:19:37   to load one of them they will say sorry [TS]

00:19:39   could make a secure connection or [TS]

00:19:41   whatever whatever weird error screen to [TS]

00:19:42   the browser doesn't matter the browser [TS]

00:19:43   Sierra you know Safari Chrome but they [TS]

00:19:46   even tried firefox was like it just [TS]

00:19:48   can't do this a lot of the symptoms are [TS]

00:19:50   explained like oh your time that the [TS]

00:19:52   your clock is off because many things [TS]

00:19:54   will get screwed up if your clock is off [TS]

00:19:56   lot of like certificates and expiration [TS]

00:19:57   things or [TS]

00:19:58   just agreement between the two ends of a [TS]

00:20:01   connection about what the hell time and [TS]

00:20:02   date it is so almost all of the googling [TS]

00:20:07   that you do about this like oh you just [TS]

00:20:09   need to you know your computer's clock [TS]

00:20:10   is wrong it's why you can't do anything [TS]

00:20:12   involving chair that's why you can't do [TS]

00:20:14   anything involving secure sites so I [TS]

00:20:15   can't tell you the number of times like [TS]

00:20:16   it's happening I mean look at the clock [TS]

00:20:18   inside is that clock right is that [TS]

00:20:20   today's date you know what year is it [TS]

00:20:22   it's like I'm time traveling but and [TS]

00:20:24   I've turned off and TP and turn it back [TS]

00:20:26   on and just as far as i can tell every [TS]

00:20:29   time this happened the time and date [TS]

00:20:30   have been exactly correct and toggling [TS]

00:20:32   that stuff does not restore anything to [TS]

00:20:34   working state and again solution is [TS]

00:20:35   always to restart and comes back like [TS]

00:20:37   nothing is wrong and everything is [TS]

00:20:38   perfectly fine [TS]

00:20:39   yeah remember when we used to make fun [TS]

00:20:41   of the windows users for restarting [TS]

00:20:43   their computers constantly that was [TS]

00:20:45   awesome i mean that the thing is like as [TS]

00:20:49   as somebody whose windows user a lot [TS]

00:20:51   until two thousand five or six or so I [TS]

00:20:56   generally only had to restart my windows [TS]

00:20:58   computer about as often as every start [TS]

00:21:00   my mac you know and as partly because i [TS]

00:21:03   was i got on the windows NT kernel early [TS]

00:21:05   like I i start using Windows 2000 since [TS]

00:21:07   it's a beta in February 99 like drop the [TS]

00:21:10   98 Colonel it by the wayside as quickly [TS]

00:21:13   as it possibly could even I couldn't [TS]

00:21:15   print for like a year but it was worth [TS]

00:21:17   it [TS]

00:21:17   it's a fucking ok but so you know it [TS]

00:21:21   generally if you if you treat your [TS]

00:21:23   computer's well if you are if you know [TS]

00:21:25   what you're doing you don't usually have [TS]

00:21:27   to restart windows or max more [TS]

00:21:29   frequently than the other it is the [TS]

00:21:31   little concerning that like oh man [TS]

00:21:34   there's so many bugs in mac OS now it's [TS]

00:21:36   really kind of sad it makes me sad that [TS]

00:21:39   you know we get feedback telling us to [TS]

00:21:41   stop complaining about Apple because for [TS]

00:21:42   some reason we aren't allowed to but it [TS]

00:21:45   really does make me sad to see my my [TS]

00:21:47   computing platform of choice that I love [TS]

00:21:48   so much [TS]

00:21:50   they're all there's a little lot of bugs [TS]

00:21:51   now and it's it's not like massive [TS]

00:21:54   showstoppers like George password think [TS]

00:21:55   most of the time like most times it's [TS]

00:21:57   more little stuff like the other day [TS]

00:21:59   like i've been using apples apples new [TS]

00:22:02   notes absence it was launched in what [TS]

00:22:03   iOS 9 whatever that was I think that's [TS]

00:22:06   right and i've been using that for like [TS]

00:22:08   all my little by little notes and I'm a [TS]

00:22:10   pretty light notes user in general like [TS]

00:22:12   I don't I never liked heavily used to [TS]

00:22:14   the dropbox editor before that I have [TS]

00:22:16   something like you know [TS]

00:22:17   15 notes maybe it isn't a large number [TS]

00:22:20   of them and I'm not if they're like [TS]

00:22:22   always open i'll open and check one [TS]

00:22:23   thing and then close and it's worked [TS]

00:22:26   perfectly for me until last week now [TS]

00:22:29   like notes just basically don't think [TS]

00:22:32   reliable between devices anymore like [TS]

00:22:35   and I tried locking at iCloud log back [TS]

00:22:37   in it doesn't work but it's just nothing [TS]

00:22:39   can make my notes sink reliably to [TS]

00:22:41   certain devices anymore like my laptop [TS]

00:22:43   logging in logging out worked my ipad [TS]

00:22:46   logging and logging out didn't work like [TS]

00:22:47   it's just like it's everything I never [TS]

00:22:50   had to do this stuff before and it's [TS]

00:22:51   just like come on late and this is this [TS]

00:22:55   is this is what makes iCloud bugs and I [TS]

00:22:57   message also like you know if people [TS]

00:22:59   have these problems I'm exercise [TS]

00:23:00   beginning it is so often the the answer [TS]

00:23:03   that you get if you if you ask people or [TS]

00:23:05   even if he has heard that if you can get [TS]

00:23:06   Apple to tell you anything [TS]

00:23:07   the answer that you guys usually like [TS]

00:23:09   well just like sign of iCloud clear [TS]

00:23:11   everything off sign everything back in [TS]

00:23:13   its like that's not a solution like that [TS]

00:23:16   that should never be the answer that is [TS]

00:23:17   never good enough that's like telling [TS]

00:23:19   somebody restore your phone and you know [TS]

00:23:20   I don't restore from backup starkly for [TS]

00:23:22   your phone erased everything you lose [TS]

00:23:23   everything but that's that's not an [TS]

00:23:24   answer that that is not a good solution [TS]

00:23:26   and there's just so many bugs now that [TS]

00:23:29   come up seemingly for no reason when it [TS]

00:23:32   you know in not even edge case usage [TS]

00:23:34   like I feel like now you're an edge case [TS]

00:23:36   if you don't have one of these bugs [TS]

00:23:37   hitting at least one of your various [TS]

00:23:39   Apple syncservices actually outside my [TS]

00:23:42   damn keyboard shortcuts which in the [TS]

00:23:44   grand scheme of things are not that [TS]

00:23:45   important i actually don't really have [TS]

00:23:47   any of these problems I'll for longest [TS]

00:23:49   time when people would complain and moan [TS]

00:23:50   about I message ever almost everyone had [TS]

00:23:52   a horror story i might be an iMessage [TS]

00:23:54   unicorn because i cannot recall a time [TS]

00:23:57   that I've had more than just a very [TS]

00:23:58   brief hiccup not this like continual in [TS]

00:24:02   non delivered messages or out-of-band [TS]

00:24:04   messages you know split conversations [TS]

00:24:07   where your send a message to me and then [TS]

00:24:09   like I reply to your day later but it [TS]

00:24:10   shows up in a separate conversation so [TS]

00:24:12   you have two conversations that are just [TS]

00:24:13   mean you [TS]

00:24:14   yeah but that makes perfect sense like I [TS]

00:24:17   it's unfortunate lyrics cents short does [TS]

00:24:20   not so the problem [TS]

00:24:21   this is particularly bad with group [TS]

00:24:23   messages but i believe the problem to be [TS]

00:24:25   that somebody say like let's say two [TS]

00:24:28   three of us and I send my message to [TS]

00:24:31   john's phone number in Marcos email [TS]

00:24:33   address and i know i know i know the [TS]

00:24:34   source of the problem but we're the same [TS]

00:24:35   people like this is not you know you [TS]

00:24:37   send it to my apple ID and not to my [TS]

00:24:39   phone of like we're the same people to [TS]

00:24:40   same icon in the application combine [TS]

00:24:42   them don't make them but no i agree with [TS]

00:24:44   you i totally agree with you but at [TS]

00:24:45   least that problem kind of sort of makes [TS]

00:24:47   sense and really and like there's no [TS]

00:24:48   solution to that because it's like uh [TS]

00:24:50   you know you have to make sure even if [TS]

00:24:51   you make sure all your devices are set [TS]

00:24:53   to when i send a message I want to send [TS]

00:24:55   it from either my phone number or my [TS]

00:24:56   apple ID if you like if you make it all [TS]

00:24:58   consistent on your end it doesn't matter [TS]

00:24:59   because you can't control how people [TS]

00:25:00   contact you and it's just it's chaos [TS]

00:25:02   it's you will never be merged you can [TS]

00:25:04   just you just gotta hope that people [TS]

00:25:06   will reply to the same thing that I got [TS]

00:25:08   it on a device that is configured like [TS]

00:25:10   it's intractable it's not it's not good [TS]

00:25:12   they need to come up with a solution to [TS]

00:25:14   this [TS]

00:25:14   see this is why the unified timelines [TS]

00:25:16   bad because it gets you spoiled I'm just [TS]

00:25:18   want my consistency and that's a series [TS]

00:25:20   of events one following the other really [TS]

00:25:25   confusing right I know it's ridiculous [TS]

00:25:28   no but I also i'm trying to say is that [TS]

00:25:30   outside of my damn keyboard shortcuts [TS]

00:25:32   which drive me absolutely bananas i [TS]

00:25:34   actually don't really have any common [TS]

00:25:37   bug that I feel like I hit on a regular [TS]

00:25:38   basis now that my ram is actually for [TS]

00:25:40   kick but I I do feel that the one off [TS]

00:25:45   bugs like for example at a kernel panic [TS]

00:25:48   earlier today which is something i [TS]

00:25:49   haven't had happened in a long time it's [TS]

00:25:52   gotta be the ram yep it was my works not [TS]

00:25:55   sure I've a kernel panic like I average [TS]

00:25:58   about one kernel panic per year over all [TS]

00:26:00   idevices that's about right [TS]

00:26:02   yes and I go multiple years without any [TS]

00:26:04   and it's like being in a cluster in a [TS]

00:26:05   year or you know it's and whenever I see [TS]

00:26:07   when I think something is wrong [TS]

00:26:09   hardware-wise at this point talking [TS]

00:26:11   about how often you reboot like in the [TS]

00:26:13   bad old days of the maxima nineties you [TS]

00:26:15   know you would hear the bombs the little [TS]

00:26:17   bonds that marker will insert into the [TS]

00:26:18   podcast at this point all [TS]

00:26:22   over the office all the time from poor [TS]

00:26:24   developers on classic mac OS trying to [TS]

00:26:26   use Adobe products to get their work [TS]

00:26:27   done and it's just inevitable that [TS]

00:26:29   you'll get all system freeze at some [TS]

00:26:30   point probably averaging like one point [TS]

00:26:32   something per day for them if you if you [TS]

00:26:34   knew what you were doing and have [TS]

00:26:36   limited set of non adobe software [TS]

00:26:37   essentially like I could go days and [TS]

00:26:39   days with just might be be edited and [TS]

00:26:41   you know I e5 running or whatever but [TS]

00:26:43   eventually you don't know if you're [TS]

00:26:46   doing anything complicated or stressing [TS]

00:26:48   and warm water staying in this little [TS]

00:26:50   groove you know no no memory protection [TS]

00:26:52   is like is this some reason Marco got [TS]

00:26:54   off of windows 95 98 on to 2050 just [TS]

00:26:57   want to get out of that world so things [TS]

00:26:58   are still way better than you know in [TS]

00:27:01   living memory and my very vivid living [TS]

00:27:03   memory of how bad it used to be an idiot [TS]

00:27:05   you know the colonel packs like in terms [TS]

00:27:07   of what is the stability of the core [TS]

00:27:08   system that is one of things i [TS]

00:27:10   emphasized early on my OS 10 reviews [TS]

00:27:12   then called Mac os10 they they did a [TS]

00:27:15   really good job with the like does the [TS]

00:27:18   operating system crash but as a user you [TS]

00:27:22   don't care [TS]

00:27:23   basically if the colonel crashes because [TS]

00:27:25   if the if the entire UI freezes and the [TS]

00:27:28   only way to get out of it is like you [TS]

00:27:29   know kill login window and send you back [TS]

00:27:31   to the login screen it might be Colonel [TS]

00:27:33   might as well have crashed because [TS]

00:27:34   everything you were doing his host was [TS]

00:27:36   like all the operating system is fine [TS]

00:27:38   like the colonel still running and just [TS]

00:27:39   killed a bunch of processes and it came [TS]

00:27:41   back and basically like you I freeze vs [TS]

00:27:44   operating system crash it doesn't matter [TS]

00:27:45   from the users perspective but [TS]

00:27:46   technically speaking I would say that [TS]

00:27:48   Mac os10 specifically and iOS I'm to Rio [TS]

00:27:51   bow to tell you about some iOS we're [TS]

00:27:54   going after this but the core OS is very [TS]

00:27:58   solid like to have used mac OS 10 for [TS]

00:28:01   how many years you know 10 years 15 [TS]

00:28:03   years 17 whatever the hell it is [TS]

00:28:05   kernel panics are just not a thing in my [TS]

00:28:07   life and like you said Marko if you see [TS]

00:28:09   one immediately think hardware problem [TS]

00:28:11   that's how reliable the horror os's [TS]

00:28:13   things above that might started flaking [TS]

00:28:16   and by the way the the suggestion for [TS]

00:28:18   the chat room which I'm definitely gonna [TS]

00:28:19   try because it smells right to make from [TS]

00:28:21   a tipster for solve my problem is turn [TS]

00:28:24   off iCloud keychain which I have turned [TS]

00:28:26   on because anything that involves iCloud [TS]

00:28:29   could you know could be like locking my [TS]

00:28:31   files and some weird-ass way it's like [TS]

00:28:32   fine I'll just turn that feature off and [TS]

00:28:34   not [TS]

00:28:34   the the stuff so you can see if that [TS]

00:28:36   solves it because I everything we've [TS]

00:28:38   listed so far as like if it involves [TS]

00:28:40   iCloud that means it involves something [TS]

00:28:41   other than the bits on your computer and [TS]

00:28:43   is very often buggy but anyway I i think [TS]

00:28:48   the stability and reliability of [TS]

00:28:51   everything not having to do with cloud [TS]

00:28:52   services on the mac has pretty much [TS]

00:28:55   gotten better over time [TS]

00:28:56   it's a lumpy path there are regressions [TS]

00:28:58   and everything is not a straight pop you [TS]

00:29:00   know upward line it goes up and down up [TS]

00:29:01   and down but in general the trend is [TS]

00:29:03   good so I'm thankful for that every day [TS]

00:29:06   and then it makes me appreciate all the [TS]

00:29:07   more my beautiful 2008 powermac which is [TS]

00:29:12   just at this point because it's running [TS]

00:29:13   like the very latest version of El Cap [TS]

00:29:15   and it [TS]

00:29:17   I mean it's just it's just incredibly [TS]

00:29:18   solid i can't remember the last time i [TS]

00:29:19   had any kind of problem it would just [TS]

00:29:21   get another reason i'm motivated [TS]

00:29:22   upgraded to give machine [TS]

00:29:24   all I was trying to say earlier is that [TS]

00:29:26   go outside of these one-offs here and [TS]

00:29:28   there I do think that things are pretty [TS]

00:29:29   good and this is what you were you know [TS]

00:29:31   saying John did things are so much [TS]

00:29:32   better than they used to be and i don't [TS]

00:29:34   i don't want to perpetuate the oh all [TS]

00:29:37   the three of us to do is complain idea [TS]

00:29:39   but because things are pretty darn great [TS]

00:29:41   as long as you're not trying to keep a [TS]

00:29:43   sink keyboard text replacement underwear [TS]

00:29:46   ok I have literally never use that [TS]

00:29:48   feature i have never created or deleted [TS]

00:29:50   any of these things until until earlier [TS]

00:29:54   last week when I was I was setting up my [TS]

00:29:56   new laptop and i noticed i was going [TS]

00:29:57   through the preference windows it was [TS]

00:29:59   the first clean install I done in a long [TS]

00:30:00   time and it in this in this text [TS]

00:30:04   shortcuts was about 16 copies of the [TS]

00:30:07   default on my way entry that they're [TS]

00:30:09   like the heads gotta let that go great [TS]

00:30:12   that's I've literally never touched this [TS]

00:30:14   feature and somehow i have 16 copies of [TS]

00:30:16   this like obviously there is no effort [TS]

00:30:18   being put into this reach the reason [TS]

00:30:21   that feature always comes up in our [TS]

00:30:23   circles is because it is like it's like [TS]

00:30:25   the easiest I example of sync like the [TS]

00:30:28   amount of data is so small it's all just [TS]

00:30:30   text and it's a lightly or unused [TS]

00:30:33   feature it's almost as if like if you [TS]

00:30:35   wanted to a demo application of like [TS]

00:30:38   cloudkit and the sinking services that [TS]

00:30:39   modern sitting services he would say [TS]

00:30:41   let's just pretend we're thinking you [TS]

00:30:43   know keyboard shortcuts was just you [TS]

00:30:45   know name-value pairs all plain text [TS]

00:30:48   like it can't get any easier than that [TS]

00:30:50   and if that doesn't work a hundred [TS]

00:30:51   percent rock solid reliable what hope in [TS]

00:30:53   the world does anybody have to build a [TS]

00:30:55   reliable singing engine for an [TS]

00:30:56   application with actual complicated data [TS]

00:30:58   on top of apples cloud services so [TS]

00:31:01   that's why it always comes up like it's [TS]

00:31:03   not just because we're all obsessed with [TS]

00:31:05   text shortcuts because yeah it's it's [TS]

00:31:07   like a canary [TS]

00:31:08   you know it's like if they if that [TS]

00:31:09   doesn't work then you know as a [TS]

00:31:11   developer a don't even bother trying to [TS]

00:31:13   build like you're here sophisticated [TS]

00:31:15   applications on top of this thing engine [TS]

00:31:17   and and if that doesn't work then it has [TS]

00:31:20   a user makes you less confident any of [TS]

00:31:23   apples on more complicated singing [TS]

00:31:24   things I mean that that's why that's why [TS]

00:31:26   notes having a problem for me this past [TS]

00:31:28   week is is really concerning for me [TS]

00:31:30   because this it was reliable for the [TS]

00:31:33   last you know here and a half whatever [TS]

00:31:35   it's been since they launched it and [TS]

00:31:37   then all the sudden now it's just not [TS]

00:31:39   and I've tried the basic debugging [TS]

00:31:41   techniques i go to log out log back in [TS]

00:31:43   clear everything restarts like that [TS]

00:31:44   doesn't work that well [TS]

00:31:46   ok now what you know it is not a [TS]

00:31:48   department technique that's just like [TS]

00:31:49   that the only thing you can do exactly [TS]

00:31:52   notes actually no it's actually [TS]

00:31:53   surprisingly sophisticated like it's not [TS]

00:31:55   just text shortcuts like because it does [TS]

00:31:58   do like trying to do like merging of [TS]

00:32:00   changes in simultaneous accent some [TS]

00:32:02   fresh air knows do you share notes like [TS]

00:32:03   do you have like a shared like grocery [TS]

00:32:05   list with you and tiff where you both [TS]

00:32:06   have access to the same note to read [TS]

00:32:08   right you know google docs I'll think we [TS]

00:32:10   I've only ever do that with OneNote and [TS]

00:32:11   it's no longer there [TS]

00:32:13   yeah so I mean we we take it for granted [TS]

00:32:14   like with the fact that we sit here and [TS]

00:32:16   open edit this google doc that has not [TS]

00:32:18   sure what's in it [TS]

00:32:19   have we ever had data destroying bugs or [TS]

00:32:22   things that have caused it to be corrupt [TS]

00:32:23   or Casey write something and I say case [TS]

00:32:26   you do write something I don't see [TS]

00:32:27   anything that has literally never [TS]

00:32:28   happened google docs whatever whatever [TS]

00:32:30   they're doing it just always works is [TS]

00:32:32   the greatest app in the world know is it [TS]

00:32:34   possible to get weird things like when I [TS]

00:32:35   was trying to select some text in case [TS]

00:32:36   it was riding earlier my selection move [TS]

00:32:38   because the texts going under it but you [TS]

00:32:39   stopped selecting you try again but like [TS]

00:32:41   that's one of the reasons i have such [TS]

00:32:43   faith in google and their and their [TS]

00:32:44   cloud service stuff plus or minus [TS]

00:32:46   privacy stuff which you know use your [TS]

00:32:48   own judgment is that the the basics you [TS]

00:32:52   know google docs can multiple people a [TS]

00:32:53   text document the same time doesn't get [TS]

00:32:55   screwed up proof is in the pudding yes [TS]

00:32:57   they totally can wear [TS]

00:32:58   if we had gone with marcos one time [TS]

00:33:00   perhaps sarcastic suggestion to you is [TS]

00:33:02   like a shared pages document i have [TS]

00:33:05   little faith that would have been a [TS]

00:33:06   successful I never said shared pages i [TS]

00:33:09   would never suggested that was someone [TS]

00:33:11   you suggested we try like I work [TS]

00:33:13   commerce something I could have been a [TS]

00:33:14   joke [TS]

00:33:15   yeah we did try there there was like [TS]

00:33:16   there were a couple of other web [TS]

00:33:17   services that we tried that people have [TS]

00:33:20   recommended and none of those really [TS]

00:33:22   worked out for us either [TS]

00:33:23   and so we just came back to the google [TS]

00:33:24   docs because it's google docs is [TS]

00:33:26   basically like the the windows of my [TS]

00:33:30   collaboration it's like that that's [TS]

00:33:31   that's a that's too harsh i think as I [TS]

00:33:35   yeah but when it comes to share tax [TS]

00:33:37   documents reliability [TS]

00:33:38   I mean it's not a bad application like [TS]

00:33:40   it's not it's not great the UI could be [TS]

00:33:41   a little bit weird but like it works all [TS]

00:33:44   the time and it more or less has the [TS]

00:33:46   features we need and like none of us [TS]

00:33:49   ever think about it like i don't think [TS]

00:33:50   we spend time worrying about how Google [TS]

00:33:52   Docs working extra now or it's just it's [TS]

00:33:55   just that and that's ideal for a tool [TS]

00:33:57   you're going to use for this purpose [TS]

00:33:58   just like it's not in the front of any [TS]

00:34:01   of our minds ever we sponsor tonight by [TS]

00:34:04   automatic the small that turns your [TS]

00:34:07   clunker into a smarter connected car go [TS]

00:34:09   to automatic calm / ATP and use code ATP [TS]

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00:34:14   price automatic has recently launched [TS]

00:34:16   the automatic pro this is their new [TS]

00:34:18   unlimited 3g car adapter with no monthly [TS]

00:34:21   fees or subscription so even though it [TS]

00:34:23   has its own 3g radio and its own 3g [TS]

00:34:26   service that uses to communicate with [TS]

00:34:27   the outside world you don't pay per [TS]

00:34:29   month for that you just pay up front for [TS]

00:34:31   the device and they cover the cost of [TS]

00:34:33   the service now that's always on 3g let [TS]

00:34:36   you know where vehicles parked at any [TS]

00:34:38   time and lets you track your vehicle in [TS]

00:34:40   case of theft [TS]

00:34:41   it also works with if this then that [TS]

00:34:42   ifttt for endless customization clicking [TS]

00:34:45   your car for the rest of your life you [TS]

00:34:47   can link your car to connect the devices [TS]

00:34:48   like nest thermostats or the Amazon echo [TS]

00:34:51   imagine you can actually say hey name of [TS]

00:34:53   echo where do I park my car and it can [TS]

00:34:55   actually tell you [TS]

00:34:57   and of course there's lots of the things [TS]

00:34:58   you can do with this you can integrate [TS]

00:34:59   with all sorts of apps that have a whole [TS]

00:35:01   API in a whole store expense reporting [TS]

00:35:03   things i concur Expensify all sorts of [TS]

00:35:06   crazy stuff you can do and it can [TS]

00:35:07   improve your safety because automatic [TS]

00:35:09   can detect severe accidents [TS]

00:35:11   will automatically call for help with [TS]

00:35:13   training responders if you aren't able [TS]

00:35:14   to go check out today go to automatic [TS]

00:35:17   calm / ATP normally the automatic pro is [TS]

00:35:20   a hundred and thirty bucks but when you [TS]

00:35:21   use our exclusive offer code ATP you [TS]

00:35:23   will save twenty bucks off that price so [TS]

00:35:26   go to automatic calm / ATP for more [TS]

00:35:28   information and use offer code ATP to [TS]

00:35:31   save twenty dollars off the regular [TS]

00:35:32   purchase price [TS]

00:35:33   thank you very much the automatic for [TS]

00:35:34   sponsoring our show you have to my I'm [TS]

00:35:41   iOS issues that the same as last time I [TS]

00:35:43   just want to get this probably just like [TS]

00:35:44   a whole like bug complaint show and now [TS]

00:35:46   I don't want it to be I'm trying to I'm [TS]

00:35:48   trying to bring it back but I but we all [TS]

00:35:50   have too many new enemies isn't its bug [TS]

00:35:52   complaint / desperately tried to [TS]

00:35:55   crowdsource solutions to your own [TS]

00:35:57   personal problem i thought we could move [TS]

00:36:01   in theory you could be helping other [TS]

00:36:03   people too so this trip should have [TS]

00:36:04   followed but too late i was talking [TS]

00:36:06   about plugging my light my big fat ugly [TS]

00:36:08   lighting connected your pods into my [TS]

00:36:10   iphone 7 and how case when it doesn't [TS]

00:36:14   work and i just grabbed some scenarios [TS]

00:36:15   where it doesn't work I could come up [TS]

00:36:17   with a new scenario where it doesn't [TS]

00:36:18   work where I pick up my phone I don't [TS]

00:36:22   know what are your things maybe I I [TS]

00:36:23   probably already unlocked it and [TS]

00:36:25   overcast the front doorstep or whatever [TS]

00:36:27   i plug in my headphones put the earpods [TS]

00:36:29   in my ear I hit the big honking triangle [TS]

00:36:32   play button overcast and sound starts [TS]

00:36:34   coming out of the speakers on the phone [TS]

00:36:35   yeah and there's a long time between the [TS]

00:36:38   time when i plug in the headphones and [TS]

00:36:39   the time and like when that happens it's [TS]

00:36:41   like it's like getting out an escalator [TS]

00:36:43   is not moving you're like wait what I [TS]

00:36:47   you know because i plug in the [TS]

00:36:48   headphones like seven seconds ago as I'm [TS]

00:36:51   you know and sometimes you plug in the [TS]

00:36:53   headphones then you go to springboard or [TS]

00:36:54   going to go to overcast or like [TS]

00:36:56   eventually you get there you know go to [TS]

00:36:57   the podcast hit the play button the [TS]

00:36:59   earpods have been in your ears for what [TS]

00:37:01   seemed like forever and hit play and [TS]

00:37:02   start playing audio out of the phone [TS]

00:37:03   speaker and just like you just shake [TS]

00:37:06   your head of the phone like what is what [TS]

00:37:08   are you doing well like this is your [TS]

00:37:10   basics like none of your previous [TS]

00:37:12   iphones had this problem i plug the damn [TS]

00:37:13   headphones and hit play on it on audio [TS]

00:37:15   app the sound always came out of the [TS]

00:37:17   headphones like always did like a [TS]

00:37:18   hundred percent of the time I've run [TS]

00:37:20   this experiment many times on every [TS]

00:37:22   single ipod touch and every single [TS]

00:37:24   iphone everything I've got [TS]

00:37:25   shuffle hit play comes out because the [TS]

00:37:27   headphones are plugged in when i was [TS]

00:37:28   gonna come out like this is a and so [TS]

00:37:31   that infuriated me [TS]

00:37:32   yeah something's wrong with that it [TS]

00:37:34   happens it happens to me in my car also [TS]

00:37:36   like like when the car bluetooth [TS]

00:37:37   captures the the output about once a [TS]

00:37:40   week it will just play through the phone [TS]

00:37:42   speaker still even the car things [TS]

00:37:44   connected the the phone thanks to the [TS]

00:37:46   car but it still plays after the phone's [TS]

00:37:48   internal speaker instead bluetooth never [TS]

00:37:50   works like I'm not in a car with you [TS]

00:37:51   which is usually works like that that's [TS]

00:37:53   the high-grade not my bluetooth is not [TS]

00:37:56   when my bluetooth my honda is incredibly [TS]

00:37:58   unreliable have all sorts of situations [TS]

00:37:59   like that I'm used to dealing with the [TS]

00:38:01   headphones like the reason it's so the [TS]

00:38:03   reason it's so disturbing to me is like [TS]

00:38:04   headphones are just you know I'm just in [TS]

00:38:07   my kitchen right this is this is hunt [TS]

00:38:09   previously hundred percent reliable [TS]

00:38:10   technology so I'm really my opinion is [TS]

00:38:13   goin downhill fast [TS]

00:38:15   well it was never in the way iOS handles [TS]

00:38:18   audio routing two different devices has [TS]

00:38:20   never been a hundred percent reliable I [TS]

00:38:22   think it any different releases as they [TS]

00:38:25   like update and change certain [TS]

00:38:26   subsystems to enable new things or [TS]

00:38:27   whatever certain os's are better than [TS]

00:38:29   others and I think I OS 10 is [TS]

00:38:31   particularly bad in this area of like [TS]

00:38:33   selecting the right output device [TS]

00:38:34   reliably but this like almost every iOS [TS]

00:38:37   version that comes out like almost every [TS]

00:38:40   you know Beta Thetas one through five [TS]

00:38:41   almost every high-res version every year [TS]

00:38:44   have some massive problem with audio [TS]

00:38:46   routing i don't know why i like audio [TS]

00:38:48   writing is just always messed with [TS]

00:38:50   I assume all they're all the changes in [TS]

00:38:52   iOS 10 were to accommodate the air prods [TS]

00:38:54   and and all the different because that's [TS]

00:38:56   like bluetooth audio that really messed [TS]

00:38:57   up for a while the beta and i'm pretty [TS]

00:38:59   sure that's why but like whatever they [TS]

00:39:01   do it but they're always having to mess [TS]

00:39:03   with the audio stack in weird ways that [TS]

00:39:06   leave it very unreliable and one of the [TS]

00:39:08   very frequent problems I've always had [TS]

00:39:09   with phones every once in a while you [TS]

00:39:11   will tell your pocket to play and it [TS]

00:39:14   will think there's no speakers connected [TS]

00:39:16   to the phone any form like a little show [TS]

00:39:18   like nothing in the in the in the in the [TS]

00:39:20   source list from the from the airplay [TS]

00:39:22   icon or it'll show like iphone as the [TS]

00:39:25   only entry and he usually have to use [TS]

00:39:28   reboot when Ellie there's nothing you [TS]

00:39:29   can do you reboot at that point but the [TS]

00:39:31   that's been a long-standing iOS bug and [TS]

00:39:33   again like almost every iOS version has [TS]

00:39:36   something like that [TS]

00:39:37   going wrong with it every so often heavy [TS]

00:39:39   but have you ever plugged in plain old [TS]

00:39:41   headphones into a plain old headphone [TS]

00:39:42   jack on iOS device and then played audio [TS]

00:39:44   and not have to come out that phones [TS]

00:39:46   I've literally never had that experience [TS]

00:39:47   to like this week but the light and [TS]

00:39:49   that's a good point that I know you're i [TS]

00:39:51   have not had that happen to me but now [TS]

00:39:53   every device is is a is whatever the [TS]

00:39:57   class of device that like Bluetooth and [TS]

00:39:59   car things get like now headphones like [TS]

00:40:02   that too because of progress and courage [TS]

00:40:04   and now they got their own little [TS]

00:40:05   computers in there [TS]

00:40:06   yeah so so the other thing that I saw [TS]

00:40:09   which is I'm sure related to this but it [TS]

00:40:11   was really weird because I've never seen [TS]

00:40:13   this one you know I iOS occasionally [TS]

00:40:14   freaks out I was for the most part is [TS]

00:40:16   incredibly reliable like I don't reboot [TS]

00:40:18   my iOS device they just run and run and [TS]

00:40:20   run and run that's the way it's supposed [TS]

00:40:21   to be but recently on my iphone 7 again [TS]

00:40:24   plug in the headphones i plug in the [TS]

00:40:26   headphones and then I hit the play [TS]

00:40:28   button i think i might have been sipping [TS]

00:40:30   on the lock screen because you know the [TS]

00:40:32   little the media controls are so extreme [TS]

00:40:34   and the play button to play and it [TS]

00:40:35   doesn't play anything like well climb [TS]

00:40:37   whatever doesn't plan unlimited unlock [TS]

00:40:38   the phone but first let me unplug and [TS]

00:40:40   plug free plug headphones which is you [TS]

00:40:42   know the first thing hit the play button [TS]

00:40:43   nothing happens then like weight is the [TS]

00:40:44   play button even activating let me [TS]

00:40:46   unlock the phone and actually go to [TS]

00:40:47   overcast and it's a play button there [TS]

00:40:48   and i noticed that i can unlock the [TS]

00:40:51   phone like always the stupid fingerprint [TS]

00:40:52   is that the problem i'll forget about [TS]

00:40:54   the fingerprint let me just press the [TS]

00:40:55   home button so i can do the you know [TS]

00:40:56   might enter my password so i can unlock [TS]

00:40:58   my phone which i never do because I just [TS]

00:41:00   try to all the time and I can't get the [TS]

00:41:02   password screen to come up and then I i [TS]

00:41:04   hit the home button and nothing is [TS]

00:41:06   happening and hit the power button and [TS]

00:41:08   the phone doesn't go back to sleep and [TS]

00:41:10   so i'm i'm hitting every physical [TS]

00:41:12   control and semi physical control i'm [TS]

00:41:14   pulling out the headphones and putting [TS]

00:41:15   them back in [TS]

00:41:16   I'm hitting the non-moving home button [TS]

00:41:18   I'm hitting the power button and [TS]

00:41:20   literally nothing is happening [TS]

00:41:22   the screen is just sitting there staring [TS]

00:41:23   at me it is not turning on is not [TS]

00:41:25   turning off is not unlocking is not [TS]

00:41:26   presenting me with unlock screen I i [TS]

00:41:29   tried to do what I think I don't know [TS]

00:41:30   what is this is the case when trying to [TS]

00:41:32   go from memory like oh what's the what's [TS]

00:41:33   the new like you know hard reboot thing [TS]

00:41:35   so i doing like volume up and the power [TS]

00:41:38   button i think that's wrong I didn't you [TS]

00:41:39   know [TS]

00:41:39   volume down anyway I tried various [TS]

00:41:42   combinations the buns probably all which [TS]

00:41:43   were wrong [TS]

00:41:44   none of which did anything i think if i [TS]

00:41:46   had that correctly found the one that [TS]

00:41:47   read that kills it honestly [TS]

00:41:49   you would have just you know turned off [TS]

00:41:50   like the equivalent of yanking the plug [TS]

00:41:52   great but I didn't find it right and I [TS]

00:41:54   I'm doing this for you know I don't know [TS]

00:41:56   a minute two minutes and then eventually [TS]

00:41:57   things start happening and I realize it [TS]

00:41:59   is catching up with everything that I've [TS]

00:42:01   done over the past several men and I've [TS]

00:42:03   seen this happen but having to I want to [TS]

00:42:05   at all of a sudden I see the volume [TS]

00:42:06   changing and going up and down the [TS]

00:42:08   lockscreen coming and just and I was [TS]

00:42:10   fine and then everything freaks out the [TS]

00:42:12   Apple pay screen pops up because you [TS]

00:42:13   kept in the home button [TS]

00:42:14   yep yep yep it eventually got out of [TS]

00:42:16   that all that out of its system like [TS]

00:42:18   okay well it's back online [TS]

00:42:19   Banzai didn't reboot the thing but that [TS]

00:42:21   whole time when it was freaking out [TS]

00:42:23   yeah it would seem to be kicked off by [TS]

00:42:25   me plugging in my headphones but who the [TS]

00:42:27   heck knows anyway that was that's very [TS]

00:42:28   antisocial behavior that also makes me [TS]

00:42:30   concerned about my iphone yeah that [TS]

00:42:32   would that happen to me if like a few [TS]

00:42:34   maybe a couple months ago I tweeted [TS]

00:42:36   about it and I got a lot of responses [TS]

00:42:38   from people saying that happen to them [TS]

00:42:39   too and it so it seems like that's not [TS]

00:42:42   that uncommon but yeah she's like Sierra [TS]

00:42:46   iOS 10 is new so like I just want more [TS]

00:42:48   point releases cut that you [TS]

00:42:50   well I guess but like Ciara still here [TS]

00:42:52   has not had a lot of point releases what [TS]

00:42:54   is it up to adjust the point one still a [TS]

00:42:56   ESN 12-1 yeah although dot to is is I [TS]

00:42:59   believe in pretty late at this point but [TS]

00:43:01   yeah it's all the rumors about the new [TS]

00:43:04   polaris GPU drivers with making people [TS]

00:43:06   think about mac pros in there anyway I i [TS]

00:43:08   I'm ready for point releases because [TS]

00:43:10   every point releasing like well maybe [TS]

00:43:11   they fix this annoying thing so I intend [TS]

00:43:14   to this thing on their beta 7 of 10 to I [TS]

00:43:16   mean obviously they're more cautious [TS]

00:43:17   with the iOS releases so it's taking [TS]

00:43:19   awhile for ten to appear but it was like [TS]

00:43:20   10-1 they don't do the the three-digit [TS]

00:43:24   numbers iOS versions are gonna do but [TS]

00:43:26   it's only for bug fixes and for the last [TS]

00:43:28   section [TS]

00:43:28   yeah anyway hopefully when both of these [TS]

00:43:32   os's both mac OS and iOS get their next [TS]

00:43:36   point releases some are all these things [TS]

00:43:38   will improve our high on that happy note [TS]

00:43:41   tell us about Amazon go so Amazon as [TS]

00:43:46   chief summer and chief amazon has come [TS]

00:43:48   up with a hey look we're building video [TS]

00:43:50   that is only couple minutes long is [TS]

00:43:53   worth watching and basically it's taking [TS]

00:43:56   apples easy steal to the next level [TS]

00:43:59   the general premises you scan a things [TS]

00:44:02   like a QR code that's on your phone as [TS]

00:44:05   you walk through a turnstile on your way [TS]

00:44:06   in then you grab whatever it is you want [TS]

00:44:10   to purchase and then you walk out and [TS]

00:44:12   between my computer vision and [TS]

00:44:14   presumably like you know [TS]

00:44:15   wait detection or something like that [TS]

00:44:16   rfid imagine an RFID you know no rfid [TS]

00:44:20   what did they say was an RFID I'm [TS]

00:44:23   surmising that no okay so what are the [TS]

00:44:27   catchphrases they use computer vision [TS]

00:44:28   keep learning algorithms sensor fusion [TS]

00:44:31   are the three things they say we just [TS]

00:44:34   know you bought an Altoid you always [TS]

00:44:36   biting about ways we just assume you're [TS]

00:44:37   gonna buy one every time at this point [TS]

00:44:39   and most particularly charge you for [TS]

00:44:40   things that you're gonna buy the future [TS]

00:44:42   minority report a bunch of all people in [TS]

00:44:44   bathtubs know what you're gonna die haha [TS]

00:44:47   which is probably not far from the truth [TS]

00:44:48   minus the bathtubs in the people and [TS]

00:44:50   we're gonna that's what the market send [TS]

00:44:52   you that the thing with the baby [TS]

00:44:53   supplies before you know you're pregnant [TS]

00:44:54   yeah i got that big data that really [TS]

00:44:57   happened kids there's I'm not gonna put [TS]

00:44:59   an article in the show notes because [TS]

00:45:00   will take me three days to find it but [TS]

00:45:01   that really did happen anyway we'll take [TS]

00:45:03   three seconds to find out and have maybe [TS]

00:45:05   but the point is you walk in you scan a [TS]

00:45:08   QR code your phone to identify who you [TS]

00:45:09   are you buy some things then you leave [TS]

00:45:11   and there's no check out you just walk [TS]

00:45:14   right out in in principle this sounds [TS]

00:45:16   pretty neat to me [TS]

00:45:18   we should probably you know but have a [TS]

00:45:21   moment to to mention humans need not [TS]

00:45:23   apply which is a great video by friend [TS]

00:45:25   of the show cgpgrey about how when [TS]

00:45:28   things like this autumn like these [TS]

00:45:29   automations happen that means that [TS]

00:45:31   eventually humans will not have jobs [TS]

00:45:33   which is a problem but that horrible [TS]

00:45:36   dystopian future side that sounds pretty [TS]

00:45:38   cool so here's what I think about how [TS]

00:45:41   this works based on this video and the [TS]

00:45:43   store by the way isn't open yet is gonna [TS]

00:45:45   be one location Seattle it's not open [TS]

00:45:46   yet so all we've got is a video on a [TS]

00:45:48   page that has a bunch of information so [TS]

00:45:51   it shows there's no turn stop by the way [TS]

00:45:53   that would be barbaric you walk in [TS]

00:45:54   through these you know these little you [TS]

00:45:57   know that they have little dividers that [TS]

00:45:58   you scan your QR code is not as if [TS]

00:46:00   you're going to like a subway turnstile [TS]

00:46:02   or amusement park current source you [TS]

00:46:03   just walk through the QR code scan now [TS]

00:46:06   the thing those you're in the store and [TS]

00:46:07   I think one of the key technologies is [TS]

00:46:10   that the video says and then just put [TS]

00:46:11   your phone away is like your skin [TS]

00:46:12   I think with your phone like an apples [TS]

00:46:14   apple store app or whatever [TS]

00:46:15   once you scan your QR code and enter you [TS]

00:46:17   still have to have your phone on you but [TS]

00:46:19   you just put in your pocket is not [TS]

00:46:20   involved in this you're not you're not [TS]

00:46:21   tapping products with your phone you're [TS]

00:46:23   not scanning them with your phone and [TS]

00:46:25   your phone's camera is not seeing them [TS]

00:46:26   like it's in your pocket right but they [TS]

00:46:28   do have I think one part of this is [TS]

00:46:31   proximity like it knows roughly where [TS]

00:46:33   you are in the store probably using [TS]

00:46:34   those ibeacons or similar type of [TS]

00:46:36   technology and knows what your phone has [TS]

00:46:38   to be on so it knows where it knows that [TS]

00:46:40   you're in the store and nose roughly [TS]

00:46:41   where you are and the computer vision [TS]

00:46:44   thing like if you look at the video [TS]

00:46:45   every product that people are getting [TS]

00:46:46   it's kind of like they're inside a giant [TS]

00:46:48   vending machine where things like slide [TS]

00:46:50   down like the candy bar slides down a [TS]

00:46:51   little twisty corkscrew right and the [TS]

00:46:53   next one comes like everything isn't a [TS]

00:46:54   single file lane where you grab the [TS]

00:46:57   product of the front which by the way i [TS]

00:46:58   would never do because you always gotta [TS]

00:46:59   pull from the back middle right anyway [TS]

00:47:01   and I assume they have cameras all over [TS]

00:47:05   plus like your light weight sensors and [TS]

00:47:07   any other things like sensor fusion of [TS]

00:47:09   knowing someone has picked a product off [TS]

00:47:11   of this shelf you know which practice [TS]

00:47:14   because you know which road came in it's [TS]

00:47:15   not like they're haphazardly shelters [TS]

00:47:17   some some employees like shelving there [TS]

00:47:18   there in precise rows and when you [TS]

00:47:20   pulling off then-no you pulling off and [TS]

00:47:22   you know it was you [TS]

00:47:23   based on proximity of where your phone [TS]

00:47:25   is now what if you are [TS]

00:47:27   shoulder-to-shoulder with three other [TS]

00:47:29   people who are also pulling things off I [TS]

00:47:31   suppose if you're all reach over each [TS]

00:47:32   other and all three grab things out of [TS]

00:47:34   the same I'll that you're standing in [TS]

00:47:35   front of it's possible to confuse the [TS]

00:47:37   thing but what we're getting as I think [TS]

00:47:39   it's not our ad i think there is no [TS]

00:47:41   they're not rfid tags on every single [TS]

00:47:42   one of these things are good as plain [TS]

00:47:44   old containers [TS]

00:47:45   there's nothing special about the [TS]

00:47:46   containers everything is about sensing [TS]

00:47:49   where you are with the phone and [TS]

00:47:50   figuring out when people pull things out [TS]

00:47:52   of these very specific restricted little [TS]

00:47:54   columns of food and the food that you're [TS]

00:47:57   getting it's not like you're your [TS]

00:47:58   supermarket where you can go buy you [TS]

00:48:01   know a loaf of bread mayonnaise you know [TS]

00:48:04   some ground beef like just it is more [TS]

00:48:06   like prepared foods and little tins like [TS]

00:48:08   in the prepared foods section of whole [TS]

00:48:09   foods or whatever plus maybe a couple [TS]

00:48:11   staples like milk and and butter and [TS]

00:48:13   stuff like that but it is not a full [TS]

00:48:14   French grocery store with everything you [TS]

00:48:16   expect to see there i think partially [TS]

00:48:18   because it will be hard to get all that [TS]

00:48:20   into this format into this little slider [TS]

00:48:22   down you know whatever like [TS]

00:48:25   that these little rows of food and neat [TS]

00:48:27   little containers that are all uniformly [TS]

00:48:28   sized that's not how real grocery stores [TS]

00:48:31   work and then finally the ideas that you [TS]

00:48:35   know you grab the food and you just take [TS]

00:48:37   it with you and usually if like there is [TS]

00:48:38   no there's no scanning of your items as [TS]

00:48:40   you leave there's no like you don't even [TS]

00:48:42   have to scan your QR code on the way [TS]

00:48:44   back out you just just walk out of the [TS]

00:48:45   store doesn't care what you put the [TS]

00:48:46   items and you have to put them into a [TS]

00:48:48   special bag you don't have to like just [TS]

00:48:50   you just take the crap and you leave and [TS]

00:48:52   I say and you know we'll we'll charge [TS]

00:48:54   your account for the amount that you [TS]

00:48:56   bought you notice amazon they have all [TS]

00:48:57   your information your credit cards or [TS]

00:48:59   whatever and you can if you're [TS]

00:49:00   interested in looking at the receipt you [TS]

00:49:03   can look at it right in the same app [TS]

00:49:04   that you scanned on the way and you [TS]

00:49:05   launch this free app but this Amazon go [TS]

00:49:07   up and it says up you just bought these [TS]

00:49:09   five things right and when I saw that [TS]

00:49:12   and I my wife look at this too and I [TS]

00:49:14   know whatever action would be to some [TS]

00:49:15   degree and when I saw it I thought of [TS]

00:49:17   was like oh no no no checkout lines no [TS]

00:49:20   waiting in line but if everybody who use [TS]

00:49:23   this was like my wife which I don't [TS]

00:49:24   think everybody in the world is but [TS]

00:49:25   there are enough of them what would [TS]

00:49:27   happen instead of people waiting at [TS]

00:49:28   checkout lines is everybody would exit [TS]

00:49:31   the store with their butt their stuff [TS]

00:49:32   and as soon as they got the door they [TS]

00:49:35   would be staring at their phone stopped [TS]

00:49:37   in place staring at the phone to make [TS]

00:49:38   sure that the receipt in the apt exactly [TS]

00:49:40   matches everything that's in there back [TS]

00:49:41   to make sure they weren't overcharged [TS]

00:49:42   for anything right [TS]

00:49:43   you know and so what would actually [TS]

00:49:44   happen is the entrance to the store be [TS]

00:49:46   clogged with a bunch of people who are [TS]

00:49:48   all frantically checking the receipt to [TS]

00:49:49   make sure they didn't get charged for [TS]

00:49:50   five hundred cans of Hellmann's [TS]

00:49:52   mayonnaise when really they just took [TS]

00:49:53   one or whatever and then going back into [TS]

00:49:55   the store and trying to correct it like [TS]

00:49:57   you have to have for this to work it has [TS]

00:49:59   to be like the people in the video it's [TS]

00:50:00   like I just walk in the store I'm fine [TS]

00:50:03   like I don't even need to look at this [TS]

00:50:04   receive maybe later when i'm doing like [TS]

00:50:05   my bills look at the receipt but i trust [TS]

00:50:07   that it's fine but people who are you i [TS]

00:50:11   don't know who are very careful about [TS]

00:50:13   money spending want to know immediately [TS]

00:50:14   have the same reason you check a paper [TS]

00:50:17   receipt like are you are you guys paper [TS]

00:50:18   received checkers like after you go to [TS]

00:50:20   the grocery short do you look down the [TS]

00:50:21   receipt or do you watch that like the [TS]

00:50:23   scanning to make sure that everything is [TS]

00:50:24   being scanned for the right price and [TS]

00:50:25   that you know those to be 245 dollars [TS]

00:50:28   and you know you check the receipt to [TS]

00:50:29   make sure that they didn't charge you [TS]

00:50:31   for something you didn't buy and you got [TS]

00:50:32   the right prices not usually never yeah [TS]

00:50:36   well some people are received checkers [TS]

00:50:39   I'm definitely a scan watcher because [TS]

00:50:41   what else do you have to do during that [TS]

00:50:42   time I watched items being scanned in [TS]

00:50:44   case but if they like you know scan that [TS]

00:50:47   you know the potatoes five potatoes i [TS]

00:50:49   have it comes up as like some ridiculous [TS]

00:50:51   price because they thought it was you [TS]

00:50:52   know you know seven pounds of saffron or [TS]

00:50:54   something [TS]

00:50:55   thank you good night you want to be [TS]

00:50:57   watching for that stuff if you're not [TS]

00:50:58   one of those people you can go la-dee-da [TS]

00:51:00   and just leave but I think there's [TS]

00:51:02   enough received checkers like you just [TS]

00:51:03   watch people living here just least [TS]

00:51:05   glance over the receipt you know make [TS]

00:51:06   sure the total makes sense make sure if [TS]

00:51:09   you saw something you bought because [TS]

00:51:10   they were two for five dollars and that [TS]

00:51:12   was a discount that you actually do get [TS]

00:51:13   them four to five dollars and it's not [TS]

00:51:16   like real grocery stores are clogged [TS]

00:51:17   with people checking their receipts but [TS]

00:51:19   that anxiety that like this magical [TS]

00:51:22   system like can I trust this magical [TS]

00:51:24   system initially that's going to be [TS]

00:51:26   there now if it works really well [TS]

00:51:28   eventually people just let go and say oh [TS]

00:51:29   I don't need to keep checking that it's [TS]

00:51:32   more reliable than humans is more [TS]

00:51:33   reliable than you know then self [TS]

00:51:35   checkouts more reliable than having a [TS]

00:51:37   real cashier which i think will be a [TS]

00:51:38   real challenge because a really good [TS]

00:51:39   supermarket cashier it's way better than [TS]

00:51:40   that's my self checkout sucks when you [TS]

00:51:42   check yourself out you realize an [TS]

00:51:44   experienced cashier who knows exactly [TS]

00:51:45   what code enter for these particular [TS]

00:51:47   kinds of green beans just bit of you [TS]

00:51:50   know like the things that don't have [TS]

00:51:51   codes on them a good human cashier is [TS]

00:51:53   worth way more than we pay them you [TS]

00:51:55   don't realize until you either have to [TS]

00:51:56   check yourself out or you get a bad [TS]

00:51:58   human cashier anyway if the machines can [TS]

00:52:01   never match that will we will be happy [TS]

00:52:04   and we will stop obsessing with it but I [TS]

00:52:05   think we have a long way to go we get [TS]

00:52:08   there and in the meantime the [TS]

00:52:09   possibility of being overcharged is one [TS]

00:52:11   thing and the second possibility is that [TS]

00:52:12   the stupid thing will miss a bunch of [TS]

00:52:14   stuff and you've got a lot of food so [TS]

00:52:15   that's that's possible reason to check [TS]

00:52:17   out the flagship store because i would [TS]

00:52:19   imagine there's going to be at least an [TS]

00:52:21   equal number of situations where it [TS]

00:52:23   doesn't keep track of something you just [TS]

00:52:24   got some free food and if you're not a [TS]

00:52:26   receipt checker you're not going to know [TS]

00:52:27   or care you're gonna eat the thing and [TS]

00:52:29   then later the end of the month when you [TS]

00:52:30   reconcile stuff your black everything [TS]

00:52:32   was pretty cheap [TS]

00:52:33   oh I got to keep missing that uh the [TS]

00:52:34   bunch of bananas that I take from the [TS]

00:52:36   story week it has been charging for this [TS]

00:52:38   is no one there watching so you know [TS]

00:52:40   someone who lives in Seattle should try [TS]

00:52:42   to start out and then the right into the [TS]

00:52:43   show how many bananas are you buying [TS]

00:52:46   where you would even notice that when [TS]

00:52:48   you got them for free or not because [TS]

00:52:49   they don't cost [TS]

00:52:50   what I mean it's one banana Michael what [TS]

00:52:53   could it cost in dollars now you a lot [TS]

00:52:56   of bananas you make a lot of banana [TS]

00:52:57   bread that's a staple around here we get [TS]

00:52:59   a lot of bananas and if like if they if [TS]

00:53:00   they you know if they go over to get to [TS]

00:53:02   ground people don't eat banana bread [TS]

00:53:04   banana muffins it's like you know bonus [TS]

00:53:06   can sound like you're buying too many [TS]

00:53:08   bands on a number of fronts here can [TS]

00:53:10   never have too much banana bread I don't [TS]

00:53:11   think that's possible amen [TS]

00:53:12   a man couldn't agree more Iran i'm [TS]

00:53:16   interested in this I think it looks [TS]

00:53:17   pretty neat i suspect that it won't be [TS]

00:53:20   commonplace for years we discussed this [TS]

00:53:23   briefly on clockwise today which i [TS]

00:53:25   happen to be a guest host on we'll put a [TS]

00:53:27   link in the show notes and I i think [TS]

00:53:29   this is the indication of the future but [TS]

00:53:32   i don't think we're quite into the [TS]

00:53:35   future yet so we'll see but it looks [TS]

00:53:37   very cool if it works and it's reliable [TS]

00:53:39   so this is the type of thing i like to [TS]

00:53:41   see Amazon doing amazon has lots of [TS]

00:53:42   things a lot of which don't seem to be [TS]

00:53:46   part of their core competencies or only [TS]

00:53:50   you know tangentially like it's arguable [TS]

00:53:53   whether everything that would eventually [TS]

00:53:54   become amazon web services and you know [TS]

00:53:56   as three and easy to and stuff it is [TS]

00:53:58   that part of amazon.com please don't [TS]

00:54:00   they sell books on the internet you know [TS]

00:54:02   in the nineties version of them right [TS]

00:54:04   but of course they have to run their own [TS]

00:54:06   servers but then they weren't really [TS]

00:54:07   running their own servers on their web [TS]

00:54:08   services for a long time but then [TS]

00:54:10   eventually want to be so you can argue [TS]

00:54:12   that like it may not seem like this is a [TS]

00:54:14   core part of a company that sells two [TS]

00:54:16   things over the internet but it is [TS]

00:54:18   because it's how they run their business [TS]

00:54:19   and then they do stuff like the fire [TS]

00:54:21   phone and a tablet you can argue about [TS]

00:54:23   that and like well it kind of works in [TS]

00:54:25   with the giving you easy way to buy [TS]

00:54:26   things and so on and so forth but this [TS]

00:54:27   one seems very straightforward to me [TS]

00:54:30   amazon at this point is a place that [TS]

00:54:31   sells you anything that can be sold to [TS]

00:54:33   people like physical goods and people [TS]

00:54:36   think about Amazon physical stores like [TS]

00:54:38   how funny that is all they know they [TS]

00:54:39   drove all the booksellers the [TS]

00:54:41   brick-and-mortar booksellers out of [TS]

00:54:42   business and now now they're all dead [TS]

00:54:44   the Bible the retail space that they [TS]

00:54:45   vacated and then start their own stories [TS]

00:54:47   haha its kind of morbid but a store [TS]

00:54:51   where you sell things [TS]

00:54:52   this is an Amazon way to do that selling [TS]

00:54:56   things is Amazon's core competency right [TS]

00:54:58   if anyone's gonna figure out how to sell [TS]

00:54:59   things better it would be amazon and [TS]

00:55:02   selling things like without her [TS]

00:55:04   going to pay cashiers or anything like [TS]

00:55:05   that like basically a you know at a [TS]

00:55:07   store that is just like a big place that [TS]

00:55:09   you go into and grab stuff and Amazon [TS]

00:55:12   figures how to efficiently extract your [TS]

00:55:13   money that's amazon's car companies to [TS]

00:55:15   that the king of the stupid one click [TS]

00:55:16   patent like amazon wants to make it so [TS]

00:55:19   you buy things when you sneeze like you [TS]

00:55:21   accidentally finds it so easy to buy [TS]

00:55:23   things it is harder not to buy things [TS]

00:55:25   like you can't even look it's like don't [TS]

00:55:26   look at the amazon web page you'll [TS]

00:55:28   accidentally by something with your [TS]

00:55:29   retinol buying that sees your gaze [TS]

00:55:31   lingering on something like that's you [TS]

00:55:33   know anyway it and most people like it [TS]

00:55:36   like the reason we all use Amazon like [TS]

00:55:38   they didn't despite all the things i [TS]

00:55:41   mean i like about their labor practices [TS]

00:55:42   and all sorts of stuff like that the [TS]

00:55:44   draw of their product making a [TS]

00:55:46   convenient to buy things is a real thing [TS]

00:55:48   and so if anyone's gonna bring this to [TS]

00:55:51   us i give Amazon a fair shot because [TS]

00:55:53   this is definitely in their wheelhouse [TS]

00:55:55   and I want to go to a store that's like [TS]

00:55:57   this i want them to work on the store [TS]

00:55:59   over years and years and iterating [TS]

00:56:00   iterator I don't want to give up on like [TS]

00:56:02   the fire phone or whatever I want this [TS]

00:56:04   one to work so that five ten years from [TS]

00:56:06   now there's one near me we can just go [TS]

00:56:08   into and you know how to wait on [TS]

00:56:10   checkout lines anymore i hope they don't [TS]

00:56:12   put all the other supermarkets out of [TS]

00:56:13   business and I doubt they will but I'm [TS]

00:56:16   I'm really rooting for this because i [TS]

00:56:17   think i think this is and it's not like [TS]

00:56:18   implausible future like you know [TS]

00:56:20   hoverboards or whatever not the fake [TS]

00:56:23   once the ruins [TS]

00:56:24   I think that we're close to this kind of [TS]

00:56:28   technology unlike what I've said about [TS]

00:56:29   like true self driving cars which I [TS]

00:56:31   think are farther off than everybody [TS]

00:56:31   else thinks they are but that but real [TS]

00:56:34   people really just don't have the same [TS]

00:56:35   definition me about self-driving cars [TS]

00:56:36   anyway I think this is close enough to [TS]

00:56:39   work the first one's gonna be a disaster [TS]

00:56:40   whatever but like work out the kinks [TS]

00:56:42   give it a few years stick to it and I'm [TS]

00:56:44   excited for this i would i would love it [TS]

00:56:47   if it would ever come to the suburbs [TS]

00:56:48   where I live but i think it's unlikely [TS]

00:56:50   he will definitely come to where you [TS]

00:56:52   live because rich people the core market [TS]

00:56:53   for this totally want about you know [TS]

00:56:55   someone like prepared foods i can you [TS]

00:56:57   imagine how much stuff is going to cost [TS]

00:56:58   you know going to whole foods and try to [TS]

00:56:59   like you know a tiny cup of cup fruits [TS]

00:57:02   like each one of them is made of dollar [TS]

00:57:03   bills that's true [TS]

00:57:05   the most expensive food items per pound [TS]

00:57:07   in the universe unite two thoughts here [TS]

00:57:09   first of all I love more about John [TS]

00:57:11   making fun of Marco for being where the [TS]

00:57:13   rich people live his John I think you [TS]

00:57:14   need i'm in the rich people are too like [TS]

00:57:16   that's where the stores are gonna be I'm [TS]

00:57:18   pretty sure your neighborhood is more [TS]

00:57:20   upscale than mine for the record it's [TS]

00:57:22   not you live next to Batman I live next [TS]

00:57:24   to like the people who were command [TS]

00:57:25   staff hahaha before [TS]

00:57:31   wow that was a pissing match i did not [TS]

00:57:34   expect to be a part of but anyway I'm [TS]

00:57:36   the other thing i will say which is now [TS]

00:57:38   not nearly as funny but one time I was [TS]

00:57:41   it worked like two years ago and I'd [TS]

00:57:43   forgotten to bring a launch or maybe I'd [TS]

00:57:46   I didn't bring lunch because i thought i [TS]

00:57:47   was going out to eat and so I was [TS]

00:57:49   without a lunch I was launched list and [TS]

00:57:51   I thought to myself you know what I'm [TS]

00:57:52   gonna treat myself when we go to Whole [TS]

00:57:54   Foods I'm gonna get me you know one of [TS]

00:57:55   those boxes where I go to the hot bar [TS]

00:57:57   and put a whole bunch of stuff in there [TS]

00:57:58   so when I got you look a little thing of [TS]

00:58:01   ribs don't go for the hard-boiled eggs [TS]

00:58:03   that way too much sound bar tricks [TS]

00:58:05   it's funny you say that because i made [TS]

00:58:07   the critical mistake of getting a mac [TS]

00:58:10   and cheese which is like 18 pounds for [TS]

00:58:12   of mac and cheese for like one bite and [TS]

00:58:15   I went and I want to check out and put [TS]

00:58:17   my box of goodies on the scale and it [TS]

00:58:20   was like literally $18 nothing like that [TS]

00:58:22   happens when i was about to guess eighty [TS]

00:58:24   dollars as a joke price i was gonna be [TS]

00:58:27   as 27 but i rather have a gauge on [TS]

00:58:30   exactly how much food you're piling into [TS]

00:58:31   the everyday there's this thing about [TS]

00:58:33   prepared foods like a they're really [TS]

00:58:35   expensive and you can kind of understand [TS]

00:58:36   how they're really expensive you start [TS]

00:58:38   doing the math on they have to pay for [TS]

00:58:39   the raw ingredients they have to pay for [TS]

00:58:41   that people remember they must have a [TS]

00:58:42   huge amount of waste because all that [TS]

00:58:43   stuff guess it doesn't get sold every [TS]

00:58:44   day and they got to dump it or give it [TS]

00:58:46   away or whatever right so I understand [TS]

00:58:48   why it's expensive but be it doesn't [TS]

00:58:51   taste very good like know if i was [TS]

00:58:54   paying a lot of money if i was going to [TS]

00:58:55   a restaurant and paying eighteen dollars [TS]

00:58:57   for lunch I want something that taste [TS]

00:59:00   you know the taste good enough to be [TS]

00:59:02   worth $18 but that stuff that's sitting [TS]

00:59:04   there under like heat lamps or whatever [TS]

00:59:05   I don't like it is it is it doesn't [TS]

00:59:08   taste good to me so I i will never buy [TS]

00:59:10   that i will i will sooner by just the [TS]

00:59:14   plain ingredients to something and make [TS]

00:59:16   myself a sandwich out of the the loaf of [TS]

00:59:18   bread and the three ingredients i got [TS]

00:59:20   then by one other prepared things I [TS]

00:59:22   maybe I'm just allergic to prepared [TS]

00:59:23   foods and I [TS]

00:59:24   want i want to either be freshly made or [TS]

00:59:27   something that doesn't need to be fresh [TS]

00:59:28   like you know I don't like a thing of [TS]

00:59:31   yogurt or something where it's not like [TS]

00:59:32   they're making it right there but it's [TS]

00:59:33   you know it's it's a seal prepared food [TS]

00:59:35   versus they made something for you at [TS]

00:59:38   some point in the hopefully not too [TS]

00:59:39   distant past and then just sits there [TS]

00:59:41   waiting for you to buy it it seems like [TS]

00:59:43   they don't know that salt exists that [TS]

00:59:45   most of these prepared food bars tell [TS]

00:59:48   you that you should never be going to [TS]

00:59:49   just be going to Delhi you have actual [TS]

00:59:51   Delhi Belly out there and they'll make [TS]

00:59:52   you a sandwich out of the angry and [TS]

00:59:54   those ingredients like they're sitting [TS]

00:59:55   there in the thing like you know my [TS]

00:59:57   beloved exile in your beloved chicken [TS]

00:59:58   salad is the same deal someone [TS]

00:59:58   salad is the same deal someone [TS]

01:00:00   let's repair that and hopefully in the [TS]

01:00:01   not too distant past and there's a lot [TS]

01:00:03   of waste and they get rid of it but if [TS]

01:00:05   it's a difference between the chicken [TS]

01:00:07   salad sitting in a tub or even like [TS]

01:00:09   whatever and chicken salad sandwiches [TS]

01:00:12   sitting there in a case waiting for you [TS]

01:00:14   to show up when you show up they make [TS]

01:00:16   you chicken salad sandwich with the [TS]

01:00:18   chicken salad upsetting the top but they [TS]

01:00:19   make it right there and handed to you [TS]

01:00:20   and that is so much better then if the [TS]

01:00:23   sandwich was sitting there totally I [TS]

01:00:24   mean it's you're talking now you know [TS]

01:00:26   just like our previous discussion about [TS]

01:00:27   like subway is like now you're in the [TS]

01:00:29   category of like airport triangle box [TS]

01:00:31   sandwiches and as those are just always [TS]

01:00:34   sake it never get all right everybody [TS]

01:00:35   whole foods is hopefully a little bit [TS]

01:00:37   better than that but like there's [TS]

01:00:38   nothing you can do about that you can't [TS]

01:00:39   have how long as they had you know [TS]

01:00:41   rotisserie chicken been sitting under [TS]

01:00:43   the heat lamps [TS]

01:00:44   I think that's a pretty that's a pretty [TS]

01:00:46   shelf-stable thing where it's not going [TS]

01:00:47   to get to gross but it's it's gross [TS]

01:00:49   enough not to be worth like the $18 the [TS]

01:00:50   case he's paying for the thing is yeah I [TS]

01:00:53   will say though so I I don't usually [TS]

01:00:55   participate in the in the prepared food [TS]

01:00:57   bar at grocery stores because as you [TS]

01:00:58   said as you pointed out i typically have [TS]

01:01:01   you no more options around i can just go [TS]

01:01:03   to one of those however I my crazy [TS]

01:01:06   indulgence is the pre chopped vegetables [TS]

01:01:10   that come on in the produce section [TS]

01:01:13   the lazy person section yeah it's like [TS]

01:01:15   if I didn't if I cooked meal like I [TS]

01:01:18   don't buy everything pre-chopped but [TS]

01:01:20   things that are really tedious i will [TS]

01:01:22   often go that route just grab me just [TS]

01:01:23   try this is fine is good enough i'll say [TS]

01:01:25   10 minutes [TS]

01:01:26   it's where it's worth the extra do not [TS]

01:01:28   look at the price so you can sleep at [TS]

01:01:30   night because that the sum of my [TS]

01:01:32   look-alike are even I can't do that i [TS]

01:01:34   cannot justify its stomach nine dollars [TS]

01:01:37   for the chopped walnuts just put them [TS]

01:01:39   back [TS]

01:01:39   well nobody's want as long as you're [TS]

01:01:41   terrible and they would never class nine [TS]

01:01:42   dollars because water worthless because [TS]

01:01:43   they're terrible i heard about your [TS]

01:01:44   walnut hate know so they just the worst [TS]

01:01:46   nights ever did they cost nothing [TS]

01:01:48   because nobody likes them and anyway [TS]

01:01:50   feels like brains but like you know [TS]

01:01:51   somebody like pre-chopped you know a [TS]

01:01:53   onion that i'm going to throw any way or [TS]

01:01:56   like a whole bunch of peppers like [TS]

01:01:57   that's gonna save me time and I also [TS]

01:01:59   hate chopping onions because they make [TS]

01:02:01   my eyes crazy so John alright like I [TS]

01:02:03   I'll pay extra like two dollar premium [TS]

01:02:05   for that way did you get pre chopped [TS]

01:02:07   onions [TS]

01:02:08   not every time but like you know if I'm [TS]

01:02:10   making something that did that night [TS]

01:02:12   I have a draw the line of that because [TS]

01:02:13   once you break the cell walls and that [TS]

01:02:15   stuff starts reacting make it changes [TS]

01:02:17   the nature of the product you have to do [TS]

01:02:18   it at time of preparation you can have [TS]

01:02:20   those sitting there if it's going to fry [TS]

01:02:22   pan who cares now but you know how long [TS]

01:02:24   they've been sitting like as soon as you [TS]

01:02:26   chop an onion the reaction start you've [TS]

01:02:28   got you know that the everything mixing [TS]

01:02:30   with the air producing that so few [TS]

01:02:31   orgasms that you know with the water in [TS]

01:02:33   your eyes that is because I'm get like [TS]

01:02:34   that reaction starts as soon as you cut [TS]

01:02:37   that onion so i don't i don't want that [TS]

01:02:40   to start three hours before i prepare [TS]

01:02:42   for me also i can pick up the things [TS]

01:02:43   might be the limit of our prepared food [TS]

01:02:46   laziness is and I've never done this but [TS]

01:02:48   it has been done and I have accepted [TS]

01:02:49   that has been done by appreciated [TS]

01:02:52   Parmesan cheese [TS]

01:02:53   I would rather try it myself because [TS]

01:02:54   it's because the pre-shredded ads like [TS]

01:02:56   five dollars a pound or something [TS]

01:02:58   obscene to the price of the already very [TS]

01:03:00   expensive Parmesan cheese [TS]

01:03:01   i buy that your body of course is it [TS]

01:03:05   some kind of like fancy like imported [TS]

01:03:06   age now is it just parmigiano-reggiano [TS]

01:03:09   there's only one thing its it is a it is [TS]

01:03:11   a specific product this is what you [TS]

01:03:13   should buy if you want it [TS]

01:03:14   there's different grades that like [TS]

01:03:15   there's different age lengths and [TS]

01:03:17   there's like whether you get like dop [TS]

01:03:18   official one or some crazy one out only [TS]

01:03:21   the official and everything else that is [TS]

01:03:22   not stamped on the outside as the real [TS]

01:03:24   thing is I don't think I was even sells [TS]

01:03:26   it and nobody should sell it and nobody [TS]

01:03:27   should buy it but just the question is [TS]

01:03:29   whether do you bring home a big chunk of [TS]

01:03:31   his heart reason and great yourself or [TS]

01:03:33   do you buy it pretty great and the pre [TS]

01:03:35   graded ads tremendously to the cost and [TS]

01:03:37   I don't like how they grate it they [TS]

01:03:38   grate it to find that i like it to be a [TS]

01:03:39   little bit thicker little pieces than [TS]

01:03:41   them [TS]

01:03:42   that's as far as I'll go no I by the pre [TS]

01:03:45   created i think it's i think it's [TS]

01:03:46   something like 12 bucks a pound [TS]

01:03:48   no it's way more than that way more than [TS]

01:03:50   an ungraded is 15 to 20 pound ungraded [TS]

01:03:54   gonna go look good [TS]

01:03:56   look everyone say this is really [TS]

01:03:58   happening what is the show turned into I [TS]

01:04:01   don't know the price of many things but [TS]

01:04:02   I know the price of Parmesan cheese it [TS]

01:04:04   is staple in our house the same as as [TS]

01:04:07   milk and butter and eggs parmesan was [TS]

01:04:09   the cheese you had me shred for the [TS]

01:04:10   pizzas and then you utterly shamed me [TS]

01:04:13   for my inability to show you you don't [TS]

01:04:15   you can you not identified cheese that [TS]

01:04:17   or no that was what's around that was [TS]

01:04:18   mozzarella wasn't it yes [TS]

01:04:20   my bad what I want when I tell tell the [TS]

01:04:22   kids is pizza cheese [TS]

01:04:24   yeah i was so scarred by the experience [TS]

01:04:25   view shaming me for my inability to [TS]

01:04:27   shred appropriately right back i'm gonna [TS]

01:04:30   i'm gonna protect nineteen dollars a [TS]

01:04:31   pound that's exactly right it is it is [TS]

01:04:36   the ambrosia brand parmigiano-reggiano [TS]

01:04:38   dop graded imported from Italy 19 bucks [TS]

01:04:42   a pound really fine graded right really [TS]

01:04:44   fine like a million tiny little wispy [TS]

01:04:47   things that's two to find for me I'm [TS]

01:04:49   sorry I like a little bit little bit [TS]

01:04:51   thicker than that but yeah but sometimes [TS]

01:04:52   if you're in a hurry and you realize you [TS]

01:04:54   don't have it and it takes time to do it [TS]

01:04:55   someone will come and arrived and with a [TS]

01:04:58   pre-shredded thing and I always keep it [TS]

01:04:59   separate from our real cheese which is [TS]

01:05:01   in the dedicated tupperware container in [TS]

01:05:03   the fridge [TS]

01:05:03   I don't want to mix it together but [TS]

01:05:05   sometimes you know you gotta do what you [TS]

01:05:07   gotta do with that but that's it pretty [TS]

01:05:08   cut vegetables no-good onions definitely [TS]

01:05:11   know my wife gets a paper cut fruit all [TS]

01:05:14   the time which I can't stand i just try [TS]

01:05:16   desperately not to look at the price no [TS]

01:05:17   matter what I want to peel it off [TS]

01:05:18   without looking at so i just don't see [TS]

01:05:19   like 1299 on this like tub like [TS]

01:05:22   sad-looking watermelon and cantaloupe [TS]

01:05:25   pieces like 1299 really really yeah like [TS]

01:05:28   certain things that works better than I [TS]

01:05:30   was like watermelon I I don't buy [TS]

01:05:31   pre-cut because it is so expensive and [TS]

01:05:33   and whole watermelons cost basically [TS]

01:05:35   nothing right kind of shocking how [TS]

01:05:37   little hole watermelons cost per pound [TS]

01:05:38   like how do these even get transported [TS]

01:05:40   here [TS]

01:05:41   yeah as soon as you cut into cubes it [TS]

01:05:42   becomes like gold it's dipped in printer [TS]

01:05:44   ink the only ones that are more [TS]

01:05:48   expensive than pre-cut fruit plate like [TS]

01:05:51   certain things are actually worth [TS]

01:05:53   getting freakin certain things work but [TS]

01:05:54   it's only like one of the things like it [TS]

01:05:56   like it was like if you if you need [TS]

01:05:58   shredded Brussels sprouts for like a [TS]

01:06:00   salad or something like that they sell [TS]

01:06:02   those in a little box now and it's [TS]

01:06:03   pretty good and you can't tell it they [TS]

01:06:06   taste just as good if you have chopped [TS]

01:06:07   fresh Brussels sprouts and takes way [TS]

01:06:08   less time and here you have shredded [TS]

01:06:10   president is it isn't expensive like [TS]

01:06:12   certain things it's worth it but [TS]

01:06:14   obviously not everything not watermelon [TS]

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01:07:41   news [TS]

01:07:42   microsoft is bringing windows desktop [TS]

01:07:43   access apps to mobile arm processors so [TS]

01:07:47   this is sort of kind of Windows RT but [TS]

01:07:49   not windows 10 on arm this is from the [TS]

01:07:51   Virgin's arriving thanks to a [TS]

01:07:52   partnership with Qualcomm initially [TS]

01:07:54   microsoft will support the qualcomm [TS]

01:07:56   snapdragon 835 processors in laptops are [TS]

01:07:58   expected to be the first devices will [TS]

01:08:00   see in the market next year [TS]

01:08:01   microsoft is enabling Windows 10 to [TS]

01:08:03   support arm chips directly by building [TS]

01:08:06   an emulator into the operating system [TS]

01:08:08   devices will be able to run x86 win32 [TS]

01:08:10   applications but they will not support [TS]

01:08:14   x64 this is part of that story we had on [TS]

01:08:17   the past show and the rumor was that it [TS]

01:08:19   was going to be armed 64 could emulate [TS]

01:08:21   x86 64 stuff and that was going to be in [TS]

01:08:26   the future I don't know if this is a [TS]

01:08:27   separate story where they're doing 32 [TS]

01:08:28   now and 64 later but the power cities [TS]

01:08:32   that they get from having like laptops [TS]

01:08:34   with arm processors in them not going to [TS]

01:08:36   be helped by emulating access ok it's so [TS]

01:08:39   true [TS]

01:08:40   interesting though it's certainly [TS]

01:08:42   interesting because I mean we've been [TS]

01:08:43   talking on and off about the you know [TS]

01:08:45   max on our man in fact I should plug [TS]

01:08:47   upgrade [TS]

01:08:48   I had a wonderful episode this week [TS]

01:08:50   where Jason smell made some really [TS]

01:08:52   fascinating points on our macs and kind [TS]

01:08:55   of that what the position of the mac is [TS]

01:08:56   I won't try to summarize his position [TS]

01:09:00   but I I really agree with a lot of it [TS]

01:09:02   and and you should take a listen to that [TS]

01:09:03   show but agreed that was excellent [TS]

01:09:05   yeah but this is somewhat interesting [TS]

01:09:09   news because Windows RT from everything [TS]

01:09:10   is understood was kind of crappy because [TS]

01:09:13   nothing was cross compiled for it so [TS]

01:09:15   yeah was in and of itself was fine and [TS]

01:09:17   maybe the battery life is good and I [TS]

01:09:19   think maybe those with the surfaces [TS]

01:09:21   certify that didn't have fans its memory [TS]

01:09:23   serves [TS]

01:09:24   but anyways but nobody could run the [TS]

01:09:27   apps on it was nobody cross compiled [TS]

01:09:28   forearms so this could solve that [TS]

01:09:30   problem but i also agree with you John [TS]

01:09:32   that it's not necessarily going to help [TS]

01:09:34   think of things in terms of battery life [TS]

01:09:36   if you're emulating in do x86 I think [TS]

01:09:40   they want people to compile their apps [TS]

01:09:43   for Windows forearm like that's what [TS]

01:09:44   they want to happen that's what you're [TS]

01:09:46   going to get that windows RT and it [TS]

01:09:47   didn't and so it's like all right try [TS]

01:09:49   number two what if we have a Malaysian [TS]

01:09:51   then more people will buy them because [TS]

01:09:53   they won't feel like you know that they [TS]

01:09:55   are trying to solve the chicken egg [TS]

01:09:56   situation people invited there's no [TS]

01:09:57   absolute people make apps with no one [TS]

01:09:58   buys them like i will put the emulation [TS]

01:10:00   in and hopefully that will trick people [TS]

01:10:02   into bottom number is a trick like [TS]

01:10:03   hopefully that will motivate people to [TS]

01:10:05   buy all you know you can totally run [TS]

01:10:06   your existing copy of office [TS]

01:10:08   it'll be fine really and then once we [TS]

01:10:10   get everyone to buy them then app [TS]

01:10:12   developers will say your app can run [TS]

01:10:13   better on their cool are empowered [TS]

01:10:16   ultrabook thing because yours will be [TS]

01:10:18   compiled natively forearm and i will [TS]

01:10:20   give you selling advantage [TS]

01:10:21   I don't know people still buy software [TS]

01:10:22   one knows that better than adobe [TS]

01:10:24   software and autocad and anyway should [TS]

01:10:27   make fun of that because they probably [TS]

01:10:28   have a more robust professional [TS]

01:10:30   application ecosystem apples at this [TS]

01:10:32   point probably oh but yeah so it this [TS]

01:10:36   this is a mean it's a pretty smart [TS]

01:10:39   attempt to try to to solve this problem [TS]

01:10:41   now why a Microsoft so seemingly [TS]

01:10:44   desperate to get windows off of x86 I [TS]

01:10:47   don't know maybe like this is the slow [TS]

01:10:48   divorce of wintel right where Microsoft [TS]

01:10:52   wants to be everywhere and all platforms [TS]

01:10:54   and intel cpus are expensive compared to [TS]

01:10:58   arm one [TS]

01:10:59   use of supposedly equivalent ballpark [TS]

01:11:01   power and Microsoft's not making RPC arm [TS]

01:11:04   CPUs at this point but maybe partnering [TS]

01:11:06   with Qualcomm is a different power [TS]

01:11:09   balance than partnering with intel and I [TS]

01:11:11   don't know but this is definitely seems [TS]

01:11:13   like a very slow change happening over [TS]

01:11:17   in a mostly unwatched corner of the [TS]

01:11:20   market because you know everyone's [TS]

01:11:21   looking at mobile like you know phones [TS]

01:11:23   and stuff and not many people are [TS]

01:11:24   looking at laptops and PCs these days [TS]

01:11:26   except to be depressed about them but I [TS]

01:11:30   wish them luck because anything that [TS]

01:11:32   sort of changes the existing fairly [TS]

01:11:33   boring status quo as good or even if it [TS]

01:11:35   just motivates Intel to do a better job [TS]

01:11:37   that helps everybody I i think this is [TS]

01:11:39   worth thinking about it like that we [TS]

01:11:42   we've been to we talked for you know [TS]

01:11:44   forever about what about our macs and [TS]

01:11:46   the the idea here is that well you know [TS]

01:11:50   Intel is not doing what Apple wants it [TS]

01:11:52   to do fast enough for me achieving [TS]

01:11:55   enough efficiency or whatever and and it [TS]

01:11:57   may be armed ships that Apple could make [TS]

01:11:59   itself would be better and everything [TS]

01:12:00   and it's interesting to to see basically [TS]

01:12:03   now Microsoft seemingly possibly making [TS]

01:12:05   the same hedged bet here of like you [TS]

01:12:08   know [TS]

01:12:08   Intel's not really working that well for [TS]

01:12:10   us either which actually just means you [TS]

01:12:13   know Intel's just not working that well [TS]

01:12:15   period while they're working but they [TS]

01:12:17   charge a lot of money like the Intel is [TS]

01:12:19   still able to charge pretty big margins [TS]

01:12:23   compared to what that you know the the [TS]

01:12:26   arm vendors to charge for their things [TS]

01:12:29   and like it's one of the reasons people [TS]

01:12:32   say that like the mac laptops cost so [TS]

01:12:34   much because of you people to the silly [TS]

01:12:36   like Bill of material things for their [TS]

01:12:37   adding up you know the retail prices [TS]

01:12:39   which is not how this stuff works but [TS]

01:12:41   anyway they try to have the price they [TS]

01:12:42   realized price wise the intel cpu is a [TS]

01:12:45   surprisingly large portion or the you [TS]

01:12:47   know the the chips from Intel are [TS]

01:12:48   surprisingly large portion of the price [TS]

01:12:50   of a laptop and that was more it was [TS]

01:12:54   more prompt pronounced when there's more [TS]

01:12:55   parts inside the laptop at this point [TS]

01:12:57   there's not much in there anymore except [TS]

01:12:58   for intel cpus some supporting chips a [TS]

01:13:01   big battery a screen and half of the [TS]

01:13:04   keyboard that's all that's all and these [TS]

01:13:06   things but they used to be all sorts of [TS]

01:13:08   other stuff in there is [TS]

01:13:09   you know the hard drive and even the SSD [TS]

01:13:11   thrown into the next but i think it's [TS]

01:13:13   still the case that Intel's margins are [TS]

01:13:16   would be the envy of any armed vendor [TS]

01:13:17   and especially the case of Apple where [TS]

01:13:19   Apple isn't doing the design essentially [TS]

01:13:21   they got the armed license they do the [TS]

01:13:23   design they pay someone to fabric for [TS]

01:13:25   them that relationship is much more [TS]

01:13:26   straightforward and what Apple's used to [TS]

01:13:28   like working with a supplier to build a [TS]

01:13:30   thing i'll tell you what to build you [TS]

01:13:32   know you don't you know you don't have [TS]

01:13:33   to design thing you're going to build [TS]

01:13:35   this and here it is and give them you [TS]

01:13:38   know that the their chip design and they [TS]

01:13:39   just fabric for them and I was marked [TS]

01:13:41   with that it's not a matter of just like [TS]

01:13:43   taking design printing it like there is [TS]

01:13:44   more to it but that is that is a [TS]

01:13:46   relationship where you don't have to pay [TS]

01:13:49   for the margin that Intel is charging [TS]

01:13:51   you for like we designed this whole trip [TS]

01:13:52   and we designed all these things and [TS]

01:13:54   we're not just a dumb fab or selling you [TS]

01:13:57   this value and chips on put in the chat [TS]

01:13:58   room that into a 60-percent gross [TS]

01:14:00   margins which are which is pretty darn [TS]

01:14:02   good for someone whose physical things [TS]

01:14:03   instead of selling software so it [TS]

01:14:08   I don't think Intel is not doing its job [TS]

01:14:10   and I think they are trying to serve [TS]

01:14:12   apples needs but they're still charging [TS]

01:14:16   more and there's and you know for apples [TS]

01:14:18   respective then Apple can control their [TS]

01:14:22   schedules to the degree they control [TS]

01:14:23   their own schedules for their a-series [TS]

01:14:24   chips so that that's you know there is a [TS]

01:14:28   definite reason to go in that direction [TS]

01:14:29   long term anyway I just thought that was [TS]

01:14:32   interesting we'll see how coast so so [TS]

01:14:34   here's a question [TS]

01:14:36   one of the concerns I have with Apple [TS]

01:14:39   sorry to turn this back into apple [TS]

01:14:40   complaints just for a minute I promise [TS]

01:14:42   one of the country have apple is that [TS]

01:14:44   obviously adding everybody even people [TS]

01:14:46   who think they're doing fine can [TS]

01:14:48   generally agree that they're also [TS]

01:14:50   stretched very thin and a lot of their [TS]

01:14:52   products are are having to take a [TS]

01:14:53   backseat to something and whether it's [TS]

01:14:56   the car or the idea that the iphone is [TS]

01:14:59   progressing really fast even though it [TS]

01:15:00   seems not to be or whatever else is like [TS]

01:15:02   everything seems to be taking the [TS]

01:15:04   backseat to something so my question is [TS]

01:15:07   when the next big shifts happen in [TS]

01:15:10   important markets to apple so things [TS]

01:15:12   like computers phones tablets when when [TS]

01:15:16   big shifts happen like for instance if [TS]

01:15:18   everyone moves to arms processors for [TS]

01:15:22   for their pc computers like you not just [TS]

01:15:25   tablets and phones would like for full [TS]

01:15:27   sized computers and laptops in apples [TS]

01:15:31   current state where it's kinda like [TS]

01:15:33   their immune system is strange like that [TS]

01:15:35   they're like the heat and integrated [TS]

01:15:37   algebra like they can barely hold [TS]

01:15:39   together what they have now keeping [TS]

01:15:40   things on their current path because [TS]

01:15:42   they're doing so much and obviously [TS]

01:15:44   there's a lot of resources being devoted [TS]

01:15:46   to like some other future projects but [TS]

01:15:49   like stuff like the mac it and see what [TS]

01:15:51   it was like barely holding on and [TS]

01:15:53   there's the awfully concerning rumor [TS]

01:15:55   today that the next iPhone might just [TS]

01:15:59   add a red color and still have the exact [TS]

01:16:01   same what general case of design is Alex [TS]

01:16:03   know what they're saying that it was [TS]

01:16:05   also gonna be out at the same time as a [TS]

01:16:08   the new all glass thing or was that [TS]

01:16:09   trying to say like next year just a new [TS]

01:16:11   color in a year after that the other [TS]

01:16:13   last one I believe it was the latter but [TS]

01:16:14   it was anyway which would be concerning [TS]

01:16:16   but anyway it we we have one thing that [TS]

01:16:18   so who knows but anyway so given the [TS]

01:16:21   given the way it appears as though Apple [TS]

01:16:23   is having a hard time keeping up with [TS]

01:16:25   other product lines already as it is [TS]

01:16:26   when the next big shift happens do you [TS]

01:16:29   think they will be able to to to go with [TS]

01:16:33   it to write it to adapt it or are they [TS]

01:16:35   going to fall behind because they won't [TS]

01:16:37   be prepared because they won't be [TS]

01:16:38   development of resources to those areas [TS]

01:16:40   like Microsoft right now doesn't have a [TS]

01:16:42   successful phone business to worry about [TS]

01:16:44   or to manage or or 22 to take forward so [TS]

01:16:48   like Microsoft supporting everything [TS]

01:16:49   they can to what they do have which is [TS]

01:16:51   pcs right they do well they're they're [TS]

01:16:54   pouring everything they have that that's [TS]

01:16:56   what we're reading like interesting new [TS]

01:16:57   developments like the surface to do like [TS]

01:16:59   those which they will take off if any [TS]

01:17:01   but like they are there they are ready [TS]

01:17:03   to adopt whatever comes out now but [TS]

01:17:06   Apple isn't like Apple is seemingly like [TS]

01:17:09   keeping the mac kind of coasting for the [TS]

01:17:12   most part of not doing a whole lot of [TS]

01:17:14   new stuff with it and not really keeping [TS]

01:17:16   up-to-date not really keeping [TS]

01:17:17   competitive kinda just like sitting back [TS]

01:17:19   and letting off the gas and and this [TS]

01:17:22   isn't just the mac i would say this this [TS]

01:17:23   definitely applies to the mac it sort of [TS]

01:17:26   applies to the ipad although there's not [TS]

01:17:28   a lot of your competitors anymore really [TS]

01:17:29   it unless you count laptops which I'd [TS]

01:17:31   not sure I would anymore and on the [TS]

01:17:34   iphone it's it's kind of [TS]

01:17:36   it seems like they might be letting off [TS]

01:17:38   the castle but honestly was obviously [TS]

01:17:40   you see what happens next year but it [TS]

01:17:42   certainly looks so far that like things [TS]

01:17:45   are progressing more slowly than before [TS]

01:17:47   will Apple be ready for the next big [TS]

01:17:51   shift and will they actually do them and [TS]

01:17:54   where they lead them anymore the way the [TS]

01:17:56   way they have been for that for like the [TS]

01:17:57   last decade or so or are they too busy [TS]

01:18:00   like building cars and stuff i don't [TS]

01:18:03   know about any of that I think I I think [TS]

01:18:06   basing your thoughts on the premise of [TS]

01:18:08   their stepping off of the gas i i i [TS]

01:18:12   understand how you come to that [TS]

01:18:14   conclusion [TS]

01:18:14   I'm wouldn't be so fast come to that [TS]

01:18:16   conclusion I would in fact I would [TS]

01:18:20   almost go so far as to say that a lot of [TS]

01:18:23   silence from apple may even be [TS]

01:18:25   indicating that they're standing on the [TS]

01:18:26   gas harder than they ever have before [TS]

01:18:28   now [TS]

01:18:29   truth be told that's hard for me to make [TS]

01:18:31   that argument with a straight face given [TS]

01:18:32   what's been going on with say the mac [TS]

01:18:34   pro but 11 point does not align make and [TS]

01:18:39   obviously none of us know one way the [TS]

01:18:41   other very well could be that you're [TS]

01:18:42   right Marco but if i were to take a read [TS]

01:18:44   the tea leaves i would say that that it [TS]

01:18:47   is quite possible that big things are [TS]

01:18:49   afoot and we're just not hearing about [TS]

01:18:51   it because guess what Apple never tells [TS]

01:18:53   us about these things until it's all [TS]

01:18:55   over [TS]

01:18:56   so about the specific shift you're [TS]

01:18:58   talking about like whatever US Armed [TS]

01:19:00   that for that specific change I think [TS]

01:19:02   Apple would be fine because if that [TS]

01:19:04   happened [TS]

01:19:05   Apple would see it as an efficiency and [TS]

01:19:07   you know it would it would be the last [TS]

01:19:09   little bit Apple needs to get to kick it [TS]

01:19:11   over the line to say okay I guess we'll [TS]

01:19:13   try to do is we always talk about all [TS]

01:19:14   the things that are keeping the [TS]

01:19:15   president like is the mac even worth [TS]

01:19:17   this big expensive transition and this [TS]

01:19:18   disruption to users and the dev tools [TS]

01:19:20   and like like is it even worth it to do [TS]

01:19:23   that for the little old Mac probably [TS]

01:19:24   like that's probably one of the biggest [TS]

01:19:25   thing stopping our max this point is [TS]

01:19:27   that the mac itself is not worth that [TS]

01:19:29   kind of investment but everyone else [TS]

01:19:30   which is over anyway suddenly is the [TS]

01:19:33   mackie worth like well everyone else is [TS]

01:19:35   going that way anyway and so we might as [TS]

01:19:36   well just get on that train and we're [TS]

01:19:38   already designing new a series cpus [TS]

01:19:40   every year already really good at and [TS]

01:19:42   we're going to make that cpu anyway and [TS]

01:19:44   the cpu for the next iPhones gonna be [TS]

01:19:45   plenty powerful for all but the most [TS]

01:19:47   powerful laptop [TS]

01:19:48   if you just add more course to be like [TS]

01:19:49   it's an efficiency that they're ready to [TS]

01:19:51   grab and control that they want anyway [TS]

01:19:54   any little bit that kicks them over into [TS]

01:19:56   doing that I think they would see as [TS]

01:19:58   okay well that now the decisions been [TS]

01:20:00   taken out of our hands and they would [TS]

01:20:01   leap at it because they do get [TS]

01:20:02   efficiencies that are now we don't have [TS]

01:20:03   to deal with two things we just have one [TS]

01:20:05   architecture we control our own [TS]

01:20:06   destinies all the advantages of the arm [TS]

01:20:08   stuff come in so that specific change I [TS]

01:20:10   think that would be fine for all the [TS]

01:20:11   other changes you said you know the [TS]

01:20:13   stretch then well as we just got the [TS]

01:20:15   pastor shows that stretch less than they [TS]

01:20:17   used to be [TS]

01:20:18   they're not making Wi-Fi routers anymore [TS]

01:20:20   not making screens anymore they're not [TS]

01:20:22   making the mac pro in the mac mini [TS]

01:20:23   anymore apparently [TS]

01:20:24   so they are condensing and all these you [TS]

01:20:30   know all the Dark Matter the case he was [TS]

01:20:31   talking about we have no idea what the [TS]

01:20:32   hell they're doing [TS]

01:20:33   except for the self-driving car stuff [TS]

01:20:35   you know they're augmented-reality thing [TS]

01:20:37   is that related to the car thing where [TS]

01:20:39   the display and stuff on the dashboard [TS]

01:20:40   or whatever like the way to be ready for [TS]

01:20:44   it in appleton typical apple way to be [TS]

01:20:46   ready these changes to be the one that [TS]

01:20:47   brings them on so presumably app has [TS]

01:20:49   also specific experiments going on with [TS]

01:20:51   AR and VR and machine learning and [TS]

01:20:54   self-driving car stuff then you know [TS]

01:20:56   like those all those efforts are exactly [TS]

01:20:59   what they should be doing to be ready [TS]

01:21:01   for the exchange into perhaps be the one [TS]

01:21:02   that initiates change but that doesn't [TS]

01:21:04   help us out here because we don't know [TS]

01:21:06   about that stuff except for like you [TS]

01:21:07   know the car project their business to [TS]

01:21:09   pick tied at this point and that is you [TS]

01:21:11   know the rumors about just being about [TS]

01:21:12   self-driving technology i think the most [TS]

01:21:15   concerning about thing about all this [TS]

01:21:16   project is that I've said this a million [TS]

01:21:18   times i'll say it again they [TS]

01:21:20   increasingly rely on integration with [TS]

01:21:23   cloud computing and apple stills crappy [TS]

01:21:26   at it and they're getting better really [TS]

01:21:28   slowly [TS]

01:21:29   probably not even keeping pace with [TS]

01:21:30   everybody else so they're very few [TS]

01:21:32   precious few things that you can do that [TS]

01:21:34   don't involve some kind of cloud thing [TS]

01:21:35   and apples just not shown to be good but [TS]

01:21:38   so the next big thing is cloud machine [TS]

01:21:40   learning in the cloud [TS]

01:21:41   it's hard to envision Apple even keeping [TS]

01:21:44   up with the Joneses let alone being a [TS]

01:21:45   pioneer in that field because you know [TS]

01:21:47   there may be no again maybe they'll [TS]

01:21:51   surprise for the brand new version of [TS]

01:21:52   Siri that's way better but I think [TS]

01:21:54   they're mostly getting their butt kicked [TS]

01:21:55   in this area self-driving cars and type [TS]

01:21:58   of tech it also does not strike me as [TS]

01:21:59   something that and apples wheelhouse [TS]

01:22:01   I don't really think i would not be [TS]

01:22:03   comforted by self-driving car software [TS]

01:22:04   written by Apple be installed in my [TS]

01:22:06   thing especially considering you know I [TS]

01:22:09   mean always done is carplay and hasn't [TS]

01:22:11   you know it's fine whatever but the gap [TS]

01:22:14   between that and also drive the car for [TS]

01:22:17   me and do a cool AR display on it was [TS]

01:22:20   hard on my windshield such a huge gap [TS]

01:22:22   but whatever you know like whatever the [TS]

01:22:25   next big thing is Apple should be out [TS]

01:22:27   there trying to find it and the act of [TS]

01:22:30   trying to find it appears invisible for [TS]

01:22:32   a company like Apple we have no idea [TS]

01:22:34   what is the stretched thin feeling comes [TS]

01:22:37   from you know you know do that R&D do [TS]

01:22:41   that experimental thing investigate [TS]

01:22:42   things killer project if it doesn't it's [TS]

01:22:44   working out do all that stuff but you [TS]

01:22:46   also have to have one eye on the rest of [TS]

01:22:48   your business and we must complain about [TS]

01:22:50   the maxi like the mac i think they are [TS]

01:22:52   definitely not stepping off the gas on [TS]

01:22:54   the iphone in all areas except for [TS]

01:22:57   perhaps industrial design and I could be [TS]

01:22:59   just because they keep grabbing for that [TS]

01:23:00   whatever the next all glass phone is but [TS]

01:23:02   if you look at how the internal so the [TS]

01:23:05   iphone have improved in after generation [TS]

01:23:07   we would kill for that kind of [TS]

01:23:08   improvement in the mac every a serious [TS]

01:23:10   tip is so much better than the past one [TS]

01:23:12   the cameras get better [TS]

01:23:14   the battery life gets better plus or [TS]

01:23:15   minus apples needs to 10 stuff down like [TS]

01:23:17   they are you know the iphone is so [TS]

01:23:21   clearly their main product and they [TS]

01:23:22   improve in ways that we can only dream [TS]

01:23:25   of in the macworld so I think that's [TS]

01:23:27   doing fine i think a lot of it is [TS]

01:23:28   superficial like all you're gonna make [TS]

01:23:30   the same shape again it's boring it's a [TS]

01:23:31   problem that's a marketing problem [TS]

01:23:32   that's a PR problem that's a problem for [TS]

01:23:34   being able to sell these things to [TS]

01:23:35   people but if you view it as like how [TS]

01:23:37   much money did they invest in making the [TS]

01:23:38   iphone better just because they don't [TS]

01:23:40   have a new case because there they keep [TS]

01:23:42   trying to go for that cool wireless [TS]

01:23:44   charging all-glass whatever magic phone [TS]

01:23:45   like I can't get a year after year i [TS]

01:23:48   give him a pass on that because what's [TS]

01:23:49   inside the phones just getting better so [TS]

01:23:52   much faster so you know i i'm i'm not [TS]

01:23:55   concerned about the iphone business not [TS]

01:23:56   even concerned about the ipad business [TS]

01:23:58   except for the fact that they don't seem [TS]

01:23:59   to be willing to feel any competitors to [TS]

01:24:01   something like the service book whether [TS]

01:24:02   that's an iOS device or not but it just [TS]

01:24:04   gets back to us [TS]

01:24:05   whining about our max but world [TS]

01:24:07   that's true did you guys I didn't have a [TS]

01:24:10   chance to read this but I saw some [TS]

01:24:11   headlines and the chat rooms brought [TS]

01:24:13   this up as well [TS]

01:24:14   courts had a piece entitled inside the [TS]

01:24:17   secret meeting where Apple revealed the [TS]

01:24:18   state of it's AI research and I guess [TS]

01:24:21   there was a invite-only lunch at an [TS]

01:24:24   industry AI conference where Apple [TS]

01:24:27   showed a bunch of slides a couple of [TS]

01:24:28   which are a handful of which courts got [TS]

01:24:30   their hands on and so one of them says [TS]

01:24:32   machine learning research summary and [TS]

01:24:35   there's several different segments that [TS]

01:24:37   their apparent that Apple's apparently [TS]

01:24:38   looking at health and vital signs of [TS]

01:24:40   volumetric detection of lidar which to [TS]

01:24:42   me means self-driving car production [TS]

01:24:44   with structured outputs there's a [TS]

01:24:45   picture of cars driving image processing [TS]

01:24:47   and colorization intelligent assistant [TS]

01:24:49   in machine language modeling and [TS]

01:24:51   activity recognition and then later on I [TS]

01:24:54   didn't get a chance to read into this [TS]

01:24:55   much but there are a couple of graphs [TS]

01:24:57   we're at a glance it seems to hint that [TS]

01:25:01   Apple's GPUs are being used for machine [TS]

01:25:05   learning and are considerably quicker [TS]

01:25:08   than equivalent amazon AWS offerings now [TS]

01:25:11   again I've only glanced at this I might [TS]

01:25:13   be butchering the details but it [TS]

01:25:15   certainly seems that at least in an [TS]

01:25:19   academic sense maybe apples [TS]

01:25:23   machine-learning chops aren't so bad [TS]

01:25:24   after all now to be fair that has to get [TS]

01:25:27   applied and executed upon and certainly [TS]

01:25:31   you know here we are are giggling but [TS]

01:25:33   also crying about a keyboard you know [TS]

01:25:36   tex replacement and so you do need to to [TS]

01:25:39   apply all this machine learning at some [TS]

01:25:40   juncture but the the academic urd stuff [TS]

01:25:44   seems like they might be keeping up [TS]

01:25:46   maybe even making improvements start [TS]

01:25:49   complaining about all their this type of [TS]

01:25:51   academic research stuff at apple is that [TS]

01:25:53   academics want to publish because this [TS]

01:25:55   vital for their continued career as a [TS]

01:25:57   academic and apple doesn't want you [TS]

01:25:59   publish and so the fact that they're [TS]

01:26:01   presenting this is it may be a change in [TS]

01:26:03   you know a slight lessening of apples [TS]

01:26:07   incredible drive for secrecy that you [TS]

01:26:09   can't get the best academics to come [TS]

01:26:10   work for you if you won't let them do [TS]

01:26:12   stuff like this because it's vital for [TS]

01:26:14   their career to be able to do this you [TS]

01:26:15   can't just take them and hide them away [TS]

01:26:16   like they do with industrial designers [TS]

01:26:18   who Johnny I've only lets out once a [TS]

01:26:20   year and [TS]

01:26:20   the time spent in room they sleep under [TS]

01:26:23   black sheets right and then the morning [TS]

01:26:24   they just come out anyway it's difficult [TS]

01:26:28   to get people to work for you do that [TS]

01:26:29   google has a much more open environment [TS]

01:26:31   google is probably the leader in this [TS]

01:26:33   because they have so many freaking phd's [TS]

01:26:36   and they put the stuff to use in the [TS]

01:26:40   magic that is every google thing that [TS]

01:26:41   you just type something into it figures [TS]

01:26:43   out what the hell you mean google search [TS]

01:26:44   being the best example I I still it is [TS]

01:26:47   still not worn off to me that i can type [TS]

01:26:49   in queries and Google finds results and [TS]

01:26:52   like it is live long since gotten past [TS]

01:26:55   the point where I where I can even [TS]

01:26:56   understand how could we will figure out [TS]

01:26:57   what i was talking about and gave me the [TS]

01:26:59   thing i wanted but it's like the magic [TS]

01:27:00   of big data is the magic of you know [TS]

01:27:03   that they're doing it for real [TS]

01:27:05   an apple all we have from them to [TS]

01:27:07   demonstrate their chops to Siri which [TS]

01:27:09   has its ups and downs but charitable [TS]

01:27:13   yeah like it's not it no one no one [TS]

01:27:17   except someone who works for apple to go [TS]

01:27:19   to put it as the leader in this they're [TS]

01:27:20   all kind of silly all the devices to [TS]

01:27:21   kind of silly but serious such a lead [TS]

01:27:23   and everyone caught up really quickly [TS]

01:27:24   and google just seems to be on top of [TS]

01:27:27   this stuff so i hope i hope it's true [TS]

01:27:28   that Apple is doing because I i think it [TS]

01:27:30   is table stakes in the future to have [TS]

01:27:33   competency in this area so Apple has to [TS]

01:27:35   just be doing this just to keep up [TS]

01:27:36   I don't know this means that there's [TS]

01:27:38   something going to be the leader in or [TS]

01:27:39   whatever but it seems like they're [TS]

01:27:40   learning what it takes to attract those [TS]

01:27:42   people to come work for apple and put [TS]

01:27:44   them on projects and hopefully like [TS]

01:27:46   cases when it comes out of it like you [TS]

01:27:49   have to make a product eventually doing [TS]

01:27:51   this research is important and if you [TS]

01:27:52   don't do this research you'll never be [TS]

01:27:53   able to make a product because we're in [TS]

01:27:55   that phase now with machine learning [TS]

01:27:56   where it's not commoditized at this [TS]

01:27:58   point you have to have your stuff [TS]

01:28:00   in-house to do it it just I'm not [TS]

01:28:02   entirely sure that the best application [TS]

01:28:05   of all this technology is self-driving [TS]

01:28:07   car tech which seems to be the path [TS]

01:28:09   they're going which is a hard problem [TS]

01:28:11   and someone's going to be first and [TS]

01:28:12   maybe we'll be apple and maybe they'll [TS]

01:28:14   be known as the company that put [TS]

01:28:15   self-driving software and all of our [TS]

01:28:16   cars but for now we just have rumors and [TS]

01:28:20   a lot of money spent and you know no [TS]

01:28:25   announce anything from apple and all the [TS]

01:28:27   stuff that we can do anytime or user [TS]

01:28:30   something we use for an entirely [TS]

01:28:32   different purpose like you know go [TS]

01:28:33   goggles or some other weird they are [TS]

01:28:35   thinking us so from this article [TS]

01:28:37   machine-learning scientists have long [TS]

01:28:39   criticized Apple 42 lectins to [TS]

01:28:41   contribute back to the research [TS]

01:28:42   community during the presentation which [TS]

01:28:44   served to bring a small select group of [TS]

01:28:45   researchers up to speed with apples [TS]

01:28:47   efforts some individuals Salik could [TS]

01:28:50   celica Hinda of didn't didn't off i'm [TS]

01:28:54   sorry i didn't practice that before the [TS]

01:28:55   show because I know it's gonna be [TS]

01:28:56   talking about this a prominent AI [TS]

01:28:58   researcher himself at Carnegie Mellon [TS]

01:28:59   said that apple would begin to publish [TS]

01:29:01   its research and make a greater effort [TS]

01:29:03   to work with the research community [TS]

01:29:04   according to attendees just like you [TS]

01:29:06   said John additionally Oliver cameron [TS]

01:29:09   who is self-describing as a the lead of [TS]

01:29:12   the self-driving car team at Udacity had [TS]

01:29:15   a series of 5 tweets which will put the [TS]

01:29:16   show notes which begins with him saying [TS]

01:29:19   hey this article this quarter this [TS]

01:29:21   Court's article it deserves more [TS]

01:29:23   attention he says apples clearly 1000% [TS]

01:29:27   working on autonomous vehicles powered [TS]

01:29:28   by machine learning c volume and [TS]

01:29:30   volumetric detection of lidar and in [TS]

01:29:32   that slide [TS]

01:29:33   they may be building custom gpus for [TS]

01:29:35   machine learning perhaps only internally [TS]

01:29:37   they also have a custom image data set [TS]

01:29:39   twice the size of image net which i'm [TS]

01:29:41   not entirely clear what that is but I'm [TS]

01:29:43   assuming it's the public set of images [TS]

01:29:45   for training neural networks recognize [TS]

01:29:47   things [TS]

01:29:47   30 thanks we benchmarked they bench [TS]

01:29:50   marked MX net which is Amazon's [TS]

01:29:52   framework of choice on their GPUs and [TS]

01:29:54   custom image data set in not tensorflow [TS]

01:29:57   so tldr this is against Oliver tldr the [TS]

01:30:00   new apple is catching up fast machine [TS]

01:30:02   learning and this is from someone who [TS]

01:30:04   theoretically doesn't have any vested [TS]

01:30:06   interest in saying such things as phrase [TS]

01:30:08   that's catching up fast not faulting to [TS]

01:30:11   the lead or leaving the culture behind [TS]

01:30:12   but it's it is it is the minimum bar [TS]

01:30:16   that you have to meet because it's so [TS]

01:30:17   clear that this type of technology is [TS]

01:30:19   coming to the point where it can do [TS]

01:30:20   useful things and if you don't have this [TS]

01:30:24   capability in house if you just wait [TS]

01:30:26   around until it becomes like until until [TS]

01:30:28   amazon is essentially vending the [TS]

01:30:30   seventh version of this as part of their [TS]

01:30:32   web services offering or like it until [TS]

01:30:34   it becomes commoditized it's a big [TS]

01:30:36   advantage be able to do it in-house and [TS]

01:30:37   in some respects like this is part of [TS]

01:30:40   the things that make google into google [TS]

01:30:41   is they they had a good idea for search [TS]

01:30:44   algorithm [TS]

01:30:45   and they eventually were faced with the [TS]

01:30:48   problem of scale how to build our data [TS]

01:30:49   centers and you know how to do all this [TS]

01:30:51   stuff and they did a lot of stuff [TS]

01:30:53   in-house that for a long time gave [TS]

01:30:57   google the abilities that other [TS]

01:30:59   companies didn't have to scale out to [TS]

01:31:02   worldwide data centers to get good [TS]

01:31:03   performance to everybody to do these [TS]

01:31:05   really complicated things right and they [TS]

01:31:07   had to build a lot of that house and had [TS]

01:31:09   to figure all this out and eventually [TS]

01:31:11   started to become commoditized to the [TS]

01:31:14   point where Google itself is venting [TS]

01:31:15   some of his cloud services and of course [TS]

01:31:17   amazon has its web services and so many [TS]

01:31:19   things are built on that and so now it [TS]

01:31:21   is no longer really a competitive [TS]

01:31:23   advantage or at least not as big as it [TS]

01:31:25   used to be to be really good at setting [TS]

01:31:28   up your data centers and having a [TS]

01:31:29   strategy for you no redundancy and and [TS]

01:31:32   being close to everybody in the world [TS]

01:31:33   and in dealing with our drawings data [TS]

01:31:35   because it's been figured out enough [TS]

01:31:37   that if you want to get off the ground [TS]

01:31:39   you can bootstrap yourself onto one of [TS]

01:31:41   these things and not not have to have [TS]

01:31:43   this in-house but machine learning is [TS]

01:31:45   still the point where if you want to do [TS]

01:31:46   this you want to participate in this at [TS]

01:31:47   all you have to do it in-house because [TS]

01:31:50   nobody has got it figured out and [TS]

01:31:51   commoditize to the point where it's no [TS]

01:31:53   longer and so Apple has to do this [TS]

01:31:55   microsoft has to do is google has to do [TS]

01:31:57   it and I was on your they all have to do [TS]

01:31:59   it in facebook for that matter and it's [TS]

01:32:02   kind of a you might think it's isn't [TS]

01:32:04   like duplication of effort but it's just [TS]

01:32:06   called competition so they'll have to be [TS]

01:32:07   doing it and if if Apple wasn't doing we [TS]

01:32:10   should be really concerned so there is [TS]

01:32:13   degrees like they weren't doing it at [TS]

01:32:14   all [TS]

01:32:14   we should be super concerned well we're [TS]

01:32:16   concerned about now is ok they're doing [TS]

01:32:18   it but are they doing it well enough to [TS]

01:32:19   keep up with the big boys and it seems [TS]

01:32:21   like probably yeah but again the proof [TS]

01:32:25   will be in the products they may be [TS]

01:32:26   keeping up with the basic research [TS]

01:32:28   research but when does that translate [TS]

01:32:31   into making serie better you know or [TS]

01:32:33   does is all just for self-driving car [TS]

01:32:35   texts that's that's a big bet you know [TS]

01:32:37   that the even the bet that apple will be [TS]

01:32:40   involved in all of that because it seems [TS]

01:32:42   like I was not making its own car and if [TS]

01:32:44   people who do make cards don't want [TS]

01:32:45   apples technology then all apples work [TS]

01:32:48   is pointless because if the car [TS]

01:32:51   companies don't want it you know Tesla [TS]

01:32:53   doesn't want it doesn't want for don't [TS]

01:32:54   want you right then who is the customer [TS]

01:32:56   for this Apple has great self-driving [TS]

01:32:58   car technology [TS]

01:32:59   you can use the power like the shiny [TS]

01:33:00   white go-karts that used to go around [TS]

01:33:01   the spaceship campus great i can sit [TS]

01:33:04   gotta get this into a car and if you're [TS]

01:33:06   not going to make a car you better [TS]

01:33:07   convince somebody that they should buy [TS]

01:33:08   your thing instead of you know there [TS]

01:33:11   because not like the car companies are [TS]

01:33:12   sitting on their hands waiting for a [TS]

01:33:14   technology company to offer them [TS]

01:33:15   self-driving tech like they're not [TS]

01:33:17   waiting on Apple they're all doing their [TS]

01:33:18   own things so not that concerns me a [TS]

01:33:21   little bit so so which Mac do you think [TS]

01:33:24   the all this like AI and GPU development [TS]

01:33:28   which mac of the people using who are [TS]

01:33:29   developing those sure doing on PCs you [TS]

01:33:32   can even get you doing on a on a macbook [TS]

01:33:35   pro well it if they are building their [TS]

01:33:37   own custom gpus then I was like [TS]

01:33:39   rack-mounted services like they're using [TS]

01:33:40   exurbs or whatever but as they're [TS]

01:33:42   sitting in front of their computers it [TS]

01:33:43   you know it at a certain point when [TS]

01:33:45   you're doing research all you're using [TS]

01:33:46   is a fancy terminal window to connect to [TS]

01:33:48   the bigger computers were all the real [TS]

01:33:50   action is happening true and I imagine [TS]

01:33:51   that's the case because you're not [TS]

01:33:53   you're going to a computer it's like you [TS]

01:33:55   know the giant maze those clusters or [TS]

01:33:57   whatever so it doesn't really matter [TS]

01:33:58   they could be using a I you know a [TS]

01:34:00   macbook one it's not think the computing [TS]

01:34:03   power of the things are sitting in front [TS]

01:34:04   of doesn't matter as much [TS]

01:34:04   well they are typing the yeah they are [TS]

01:34:07   typing but maybe they have people to do [TS]

01:34:09   that doesn't have a graduate students [TS]

01:34:10   have already typing wow alright thanks [TS]

01:34:13   143 sponsors this week kingdom automatic [TS]

01:34:16   and betterment we will see you next week [TS]

01:34:21   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:34:24   mean to be in because it was accidental [TS]

01:34:28   it was accidental [TS]

01:34:32   Jonathan [TS]

01:34:33   research Margo in kc wouldn't let me [TS]

01:34:36   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

01:34:41   and you can find the show know today [TS]

01:34:45   DP that and if your twitter follow them [TS]

01:34:52   [Music] [TS]

01:34:53   yes byl ISS so that's Katie list and a [TS]

01:34:58   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment our AC at [TS]

01:35:07   Syracuse [TS]

01:35:19   I've got nothing for the after-show well [TS]

01:35:23   i still haven't watched a new top gear [TS]

01:35:25   episode 2 because you told me not to be [TS]

01:35:27   there I yeah you totally bummed me out [TS]

01:35:30   for watching it did you watch three know [TS]

01:35:32   yet what are you suggesting that I skip [TS]

01:35:35   two and watch the rest of the season and [TS]

01:35:37   go back to watch you don't miss out on [TS]

01:35:38   all the continuity [TS]

01:35:40   no I don't know what's happening in [TS]

01:35:42   episode 3 there is actually a little bit [TS]

01:35:45   of continuity as it turns out but that [TS]

01:35:48   being said if you're pressed for time [TS]

01:35:50   and/or don't want to get briefly [TS]

01:35:53   depressed skip episode tune and then [TS]

01:35:55   episode 3 actually i think has been [TS]

01:35:57   mostly a return to what's right in the [TS]

01:36:00   world is like the only podcast where I'm [TS]

01:36:02   not talking about westworld because I [TS]

01:36:03   guess neither one of you are watching it [TS]

01:36:05   nope that's a show yeah hard to believe [TS]

01:36:08   that it was a game or a movie [TS]

01:36:10   ya know you here should you don't you [TS]

01:36:12   out you have the HP I think you should [TS]

01:36:14   eat you took my want to try it like this [TS]

01:36:16   season's over all 10 episodes just [TS]

01:36:17   sitting there waiting for you see if [TS]

01:36:18   there's not gonna be a new season for [TS]

01:36:19   like a year so sometime during the [TS]

01:36:21   winter if you're bored and want to try a [TS]

01:36:22   new show tonight I go to use not really [TS]

01:36:25   up your guys ali but i mean whatever [TS]

01:36:27   thought of science fiction will try it [TS]

01:36:28   yet since I find was not gonna work the [TS]

01:36:30   main problem is that anything on HBO Go [TS]

01:36:32   right now we basically can't watch [TS]

01:36:35   because the apple TV apps for HBO has [TS]

01:36:38   decided to just not work anymore [TS]

01:36:39   like that's great tell us why you are [TS]

01:36:41   playing from your iPad before when you [TS]

01:36:43   mentioned it right that is why is [TS]

01:36:44   because the Apple anything for ya like [TS]

01:36:47   that man the apple TV is such a mess [TS]

01:36:49   I don't want to complete any more apples [TS]

01:36:51   up today so I'm just if you don't have [TS]

01:36:54   anything nice to say don't say it at all [TS]

01:36:55   so I'm not going to be talking about the [TS]

01:36:57   apple TV is after show [TS]

01:37:00   I love mine mine works great now I don't [TS]

01:37:03   die don't do terribly complex things [TS]

01:37:04   with it but plex works great the photos [TS]

01:37:07   like screensaver works great the [TS]

01:37:09   screensaver works great [TS]

01:37:11   that's it does I'm serious I'm serious [TS]

01:37:12   because it doesn't on my Mac that's a [TS]

01:37:15   nice screensaver I've got that hey we [TS]

01:37:17   can we can get that out of the show [TS]

01:37:18   notes been the shots for about two years [TS]

01:37:20   now i deleted deleted yeah I had in the [TS]

01:37:24   top of our document for maybe two years [TS]

01:37:27   maybe more a link to be able to download [TS]

01:37:30   the [TS]

01:37:33   OS version area allows the apple TV [TS]

01:37:36   screen saver [TS]

01:37:36   yeah which is really cool looking at [TS]

01:37:38   mean it's not you realize when you see [TS]

01:37:39   on a 5k screen at all the all the movies [TS]

01:37:42   and images are not enough resolution [TS]

01:37:43   like they look great on your TV within a [TS]

01:37:45   look great on your 5k imac but it's a [TS]

01:37:47   cool screen saver and if you want to [TS]

01:37:49   have the screensaver on your mac and why [TS]

01:37:50   wouldn't you [TS]

01:37:51   it is available someone like ported [TS]

01:37:53   ripped it out of the apple TV and ported [TS]

01:37:55   to get help because it's really just a [TS]

01:37:56   matter of getting the correct urls to [TS]

01:37:58   pull the movies down and then having [TS]

01:37:59   them you know just you know play on the [TS]

01:38:02   screen so if we can resurrect that [TS]

01:38:05   Lincoln putting that I have a habit it's [TS]

01:38:07   called Ariel I think [TS]

01:38:08   yep that's right and that's actually not [TS]

01:38:10   what I was talking about on the appletv [TS]

01:38:11   i was talking about the thing where you [TS]

01:38:13   point it at a photo a what am I trying [TS]

01:38:16   to say the in a shared album photo [TS]

01:38:19   library photos you can see right your [TS]

01:38:20   kids and stuff exactly that works great [TS]

01:38:22   now that being said this aerial [TS]

01:38:24   screensaver that's what I use on my work [TS]

01:38:26   computer and it's fantastic i can't [TS]

01:38:29   recommend it enough real-time follow-up [TS]

01:38:31   the chat rooms and for me that I have [TS]

01:38:32   HBO now on HBO GO [TS]

01:38:34   I know I know I'm for having given up [TS]

01:38:36   correcting an autocrat of your head that [TS]

01:38:38   point [TS]

01:38:39   yeah yeah so whichever HBO thing i have [TS]

01:38:42   doesn't work anymore on the appletv and [TS]

01:38:44   so I'm not really sure why i'm paying [TS]

01:38:45   for installing and uninstalling and [TS]

01:38:46   rebooting I haven't tried reinstalling [TS]

01:38:48   yeah Wow know god yes I just I just want [TS]

01:38:55   things to work I did and why is it so [TS]

01:38:57   much to ask [TS]

01:38:58   it's great that we have all this new [TS]

01:39:00   stuff I just wish it worked better [TS]

01:39:02   well you just use the new single sign-on [TS]

01:39:04   feature in your funny i support so many [TS]

01:39:06   providers I honestly like I i wish like [TS]

01:39:10   I keep using the apple TV because like i [TS]

01:39:12   have tried the other things before I've [TS]

01:39:14   tried the Amazon whatever i've tried the [TS]

01:39:16   the little roku whatever I haven't tried [TS]

01:39:19   the google thing yet because I'd like [TS]

01:39:21   remote controls and don't use android so [TS]

01:39:23   it kind of doesn't offer a whole lot for [TS]

01:39:25   me but the other things are worse and [TS]

01:39:29   that's why i keep using apple TV because [TS]

01:39:30   the appletv really is better than what's [TS]

01:39:33   out there for many things that I that I [TS]

01:39:36   want but I just wish it was better than [TS]

01:39:39   it is like it's like why when i pick up [TS]

01:39:44   the remote when we haven't used it [TS]

01:39:46   in a few hours why does it not respond [TS]

01:39:49   immediately [TS]

01:39:51   why does the remote take like 10 to 15 [TS]

01:39:54   seconds before like swiping back and [TS]

01:39:56   forth on the trackpad actually works [TS]

01:39:58   like what it maybe it's a sleep for to [TS]

01:40:02   save power 1 by using it like how long [TS]

01:40:04   does it take to wake up [TS]

01:40:06   why when it boots up just seemed doesn't [TS]

01:40:09   seem like it's been asleep the entire [TS]

01:40:11   time and has literally updated nothing [TS]

01:40:14   about anything ever [TS]

01:40:15   it's plugged into the wall it can update [TS]

01:40:18   whenever it wants but it doesn't why [TS]

01:40:20   when it wakes up is it always tell me [TS]

01:40:23   there's no internet connection even [TS]

01:40:25   though they're always it's hardwired it [TS]

01:40:28   always has an internet connection [TS]

01:40:30   it's like I just I I don't understand [TS]

01:40:33   why this product is the way it is and is [TS]

01:40:37   this the way it's frustrating because [TS]

01:40:38   it's just like just like many of apple [TS]

01:40:40   products it's frustrating that it has [TS]

01:40:42   these flaws because it is still the best [TS]

01:40:44   in the market for me I still like it [TS]

01:40:47   better than the alternatives so I'm [TS]

01:40:48   going to keep using it i just wish it [TS]

01:40:51   was better and it seems like really [TS]

01:40:54   basic stuff the design of the remote [TS]

01:40:56   aside I've already you know war Matt's [TS]

01:40:58   death but like why doesn't just work [TS]

01:41:02   better [TS]

01:41:03   why do I occasionally have to reboot it [TS]

01:41:05   it makes no sense to have these kind of [TS]

01:41:08   shortcomings in this kind of product in [TS]

01:41:09   this year I remember one marker wasn't [TS]

01:41:12   getting a plan about apple tv2 remember [TS]

01:41:13   that case and that's nice i do remember [TS]

01:41:15   that i do remember that family that was [TS]

01:41:17   a wonderful moment seems so long ago and [TS]

01:41:19   I've known for changing my mind [TS]

01:41:21   and now that was a great day [TS]

01:41:25   [Music] [TS]

01:41:27   I don't know it's I mean I have the same [TS]

01:41:29   feelings about is taking a one good [TS]

01:41:31   thing you're measuring the apple TV [TS]

01:41:32   remote one good thing about the up to [TS]

01:41:34   your remote that battery life is amazing [TS]

01:41:36   like this is not a big remote that's [TS]

01:41:38   your battery can't be that big in there [TS]

01:41:40   i'm trying to think i think i've plugged [TS]

01:41:42   it in to charge it once ever after [TS]

01:41:46   that's it for this Apple TV like one [TS]

01:41:47   time ever in my entire life so that I [TS]

01:41:50   have the big apple TV like the one [TS]

01:41:51   that's too tall so whenever that cannot [TS]

01:41:53   i bought it exactly when it came out and [TS]

01:41:56   i plugged in once so that's good [TS]

01:41:58   everything else you said you know it's [TS]

01:41:59   totally true although my apps all work [TS]

01:42:01   on the appletv for the most part i still [TS]

01:42:03   have the same problems like waking it up [TS]

01:42:06   and why does it take so long wise not [TS]

01:42:07   all the time and like you know that all [TS]

01:42:10   those things happen but and also i'm [TS]

01:42:13   constantly cleaning the gross stuff from [TS]

01:42:15   my kids fingers off of that track mad [TS]

01:42:17   because my kids are gross but yeah when [TS]

01:42:21   it plays video successfully I consider [TS]

01:42:23   it a victory and I just know walk away [TS]

01:42:25   but you do you have is it just me do you [TS]

01:42:28   guys have these problems with yours mine [TS]

01:42:30   like I have like you know sometimes able [TS]

01:42:33   to get like a can't play your itunes [TS]

01:42:36   video because of something like whatever [TS]

01:42:38   weird iTunes server error and I get the [TS]

01:42:42   sluggishness and it's not reacting to my [TS]

01:42:43   things and stuff like that but for the [TS]

01:42:45   most part it plays video eventually and [TS]

01:42:49   plays it through successfully without [TS]

01:42:51   dying in the middle i just want like [TS]

01:42:52   when when it's being non-responsive or [TS]

01:42:55   when it's being seemingly very heavily [TS]

01:42:57   loaded with background tasks like what [TS]

01:42:59   is it doing because like it doesn't [TS]

01:43:02   support background operation of apps it [TS]

01:43:04   has a few things where like it like you [TS]

01:43:07   can like refresh certain feeds for [TS]

01:43:08   things that appear like in the carousel [TS]

01:43:09   top and everything but it's really very [TS]

01:43:11   few of those things and it's fairly [TS]

01:43:14   decent iOS hardware inside they're [TS]

01:43:17   running you know and I stripped down [TS]

01:43:19   version of iOS software that doesn't [TS]

01:43:20   have a whole lot to do and is plugged [TS]

01:43:23   into the wall and has a constant [TS]

01:43:24   internet connection so we can do things [TS]

01:43:25   whenever it wants to in the background [TS]

01:43:27   I just don't understand like what it do [TS]

01:43:29   it widely is so much file i/o because [TS]

01:43:32   that anything i can blame the HFS plus i [TS]

01:43:33   will write with like it's gotta be it's [TS]

01:43:36   gotta be bio because it's not doesn't [TS]

01:43:39   have fast storage like the storage unit [TS]

01:43:41   it's it's flash storage but it's not [TS]

01:43:42   fast flash storage and if it you know [TS]

01:43:46   and because agents still single threaded [TS]

01:43:48   and only one process can be accessed [TS]

01:43:50   that you know writing the vials in the [TS]

01:43:51   time that's a potential bottleneck and [TS]

01:43:53   if you see anything having to do with [TS]

01:43:54   iOS devices like if you get update all [TS]

01:43:56   on a bunch of apps that if you're still [TS]

01:43:58   an old person you manually update your [TS]

01:43:59   apps like I do you know that will [TS]

01:44:02   cripple your phone you know like you can [TS]

01:44:05   let it update stuff but as it's doing [TS]

01:44:06   anything having to do with like pulling [TS]

01:44:08   down things and messing with your [TS]

01:44:09   filesystem everything is gonna be super [TS]

01:44:12   slow during that time so that's my [TS]

01:44:14   guests for what it's doing like what is [TS]

01:44:16   doing the background is doing something [TS]

01:44:17   having to do with lots of file i/o and [TS]

01:44:20   that just blocks everything down i guess [TS]

01:44:22   maybe FS will fix all this for you yeah [TS]

01:44:24   it's just I just wish it was better get [TS]

01:44:26   like why why is it not better just get [TS]

01:44:30   the center working on Marco no I I [TS]

01:44:32   occasionally have a little bit of [TS]

01:44:35   unresponsiveness from the remote when I [TS]

01:44:38   first grabbed it but I've taken to and [TS]

01:44:41   cut to me i don't find this is [TS]

01:44:43   unreasonable but I presume that Marco [TS]

01:44:45   you're going to find this completely [TS]

01:44:46   egregious I just mash down on the [TS]

01:44:48   including the trackpad or the home [TS]

01:44:51   button either 1i tend to click the track [TS]

01:44:52   because it's a bigger target yeah the [TS]

01:44:54   home button or the trackpad smashdown [TS]

01:44:56   that like five or six times and then as [TS]

01:44:58   the TV the apple TV is starting up and [TS]

01:45:00   and I usually as my TV is also starting [TS]

01:45:02   up which although i have a fine TV like [TS]

01:45:05   it's a reasonable TV but it takes and it [TS]

01:45:07   Ernie to turn on so anyway as i'm [TS]

01:45:10   waiting for all these things turn on [TS]

01:45:11   usually the remote is woken up there's [TS]

01:45:13   been a couple of occasions where it [TS]

01:45:15   hasn't or maybe the remote has gone into [TS]

01:45:17   sleep mode before the apple TV has but [TS]

01:45:20   if I mass on a button for second it [TS]

01:45:22   starts working like I don't really have [TS]

01:45:24   any problems and the only apps I [TS]

01:45:25   typically use on my appletv are plex [TS]

01:45:28   which is probably ninety percent of the [TS]

01:45:29   time it's an airplay receiver for [TS]

01:45:31   spotify and not unreasonable amount of [TS]

01:45:34   time and netflix and for those uses [TS]

01:45:38   which admittedly i'm not trying to say [TS]

01:45:40   these are terribly complex uses but for [TS]

01:45:41   those uses works pretty darn reliably [TS]

01:45:44   for me i did get the big one because was [TS]

01:45:47   a gift from aaron and she wasn't sure if [TS]

01:45:48   I would want the bigger one of the [TS]

01:45:50   smaller one I doubt that makes a [TS]

01:45:51   difference but for what it's worth I do [TS]

01:45:53   have the the [TS]

01:45:54   the higher capacity one but yeah I mean [TS]

01:45:56   it definitely has problems from time to [TS]

01:45:58   time but generally yeah I found it works [TS]

01:46:01   great and I do the same thing with when [TS]

01:46:04   I know I'm going to watch them out to be [TS]

01:46:05   the first thing I do is I hippie the [TS]

01:46:08   home button on the appletv not because I [TS]

01:46:10   expected to do anything like the little [TS]

01:46:11   one that looks like the TV button but [TS]

01:46:13   because it will turn the apple TV on so [TS]

01:46:15   it i do that first then i turn my TV on [TS]

01:46:17   then every time I receiver on don't tell [TS]

01:46:20   me about universal remotes i'm picturing [TS]

01:46:21   the case here and all about bringing [TS]

01:46:22   back that Victor and everything is [TS]

01:46:24   essentially ready at the same time but I [TS]

01:46:26   have developed that have it because if I [TS]

01:46:27   do it the other way and get everything [TS]

01:46:29   all turned on and then switch to the [TS]

01:46:30   apple TV input and then grab the apple [TS]

01:46:32   TV remote the apple TV is asleep and my [TS]

01:46:34   apple TV is plugged into the wall like [TS]

01:46:35   everyone else's is connected to gigabit [TS]

01:46:37   ethernet I would love for it to be doing [TS]

01:46:39   more my playstation 4 both of them will [TS]

01:46:42   download entire multi gigabyte games [TS]

01:46:44   when their corner off like the fan is [TS]

01:46:47   not spinning right it's still plugged in [TS]

01:46:49   it's still in its sleep mode but once [TS]

01:46:50   since the moment you will download game [TS]

01:46:52   updates for me it will charge my [TS]

01:46:54   controller it is doing so much more work [TS]

01:46:56   for me that stupid Park and apparently [TS]

01:46:58   does nothing until I turn it on i should [TS]

01:47:00   also note that when I grabbed my apple [TS]

01:47:03   TV remote in or in the TV is off my hdmi [TS]

01:47:06   c and cec almost at C&C is in like the [TS]

01:47:10   Music Factory [TS]

01:47:11   yeah exactly the Music Factory the point [TS]

01:47:14   being I mashed down the button and then [TS]

01:47:16   the TV turns itself on now i will i will [TS]

01:47:18   say that the TV does not always switch [TS]

01:47:20   to the right input but with 99% [TS]

01:47:23   reliability the TV does indeed turn [TS]

01:47:25   itself on when the apple TV comes on [TS]

01:47:27   which is nice [TS]

01:47:28   I don't know maybe I'm just a special [TS]

01:47:30   snowflake know that this is what's [TS]

01:47:32   frustrating like this stuff works like [TS]

01:47:34   ninety percent of the time it's like [TS]

01:47:37   it's really frustrating but it's not a [TS]

01:47:38   hundred percent and I know it's really [TS]

01:47:40   hard it's really complicated but like [TS]

01:47:42   certain things that don't work just [TS]

01:47:43   seemed like they really should like the [TS]

01:47:45   responsiveness of the software in the [TS]

01:47:47   remote like that's a lot of the trackbed [TS]

01:47:51   itself i was feeling it would be more [TS]

01:47:52   responsive but part of it is the [TS]

01:47:53   awkwardness of swiping that little thing [TS]

01:47:55   it just doesn't feel like that's why i [TS]

01:47:57   often use it as a d-pad I don't do the [TS]

01:47:59   swiping i will hit that will click the [TS]

01:48:01   edges which is in itself is a strange [TS]

01:48:03   motion but i find it i find it more [TS]

01:48:06   reliable that I know [TS]

01:48:07   I've done the motion then especially [TS]

01:48:08   like up and down flicking with like your [TS]

01:48:11   thumb it i don't know i'm i'm not a [TS]

01:48:14   trackpad person at all and I feel like I [TS]

01:48:16   feel like a disconnection between them [TS]

01:48:17   between those motions in the thing that [TS]

01:48:19   you even just like whoever came up with [TS]

01:48:21   the idea that selection state is going [TS]

01:48:24   to be represented by by making some of [TS]

01:48:27   the rectangles bigger I don't think it's [TS]

01:48:29   a particularly successful idea because [TS]

01:48:30   very often I have to double-check you [TS]

01:48:34   know by looking at the screen to make [TS]

01:48:35   sure the rectangle i think is selected [TS]

01:48:37   selected like a big hunk and blue [TS]

01:48:39   outline would certainly be out of here [TS]

01:48:40   in less elegant but it would let me know [TS]

01:48:42   better than anything you know it's [TS]

01:48:44   obvious in a screenshot like you can't [TS]

01:48:46   tell what selected look at this [TS]

01:48:46   rectangle it spoken out in front of [TS]

01:48:48   everything else is overlapping and [TS]

01:48:49   clearly it's the one that selected but [TS]

01:48:51   it's it's not obvious enough I think to [TS]

01:48:54   you know like that the elegance benefit [TS]

01:48:56   of it and the aesthetic benefit is [TS]

01:48:58   outweighed by the the usability i wish i [TS]

01:49:01   wish there was more of like a glow or a [TS]

01:49:03   prominence about it and then when i'm [TS]

01:49:06   trying to use the swiping to move around [TS]

01:49:07   and get to the netflix app or whatever [TS]

01:49:09   overshooting and having to go back one [TS]

01:49:12   is definitely a thing and that's [TS]

01:49:14   frustrating and I don't like hitting the [TS]

01:49:15   d-pad going left left left down down [TS]

01:49:17   down [TS]

01:49:17   that's frustrating to because i see it i [TS]

01:49:20   could just I can get it with the mouse [TS]

01:49:21   instantly and it was a touchscreen I get [TS]

01:49:22   touched immediately having to go left [TS]

01:49:24   left left down down is a pain but at [TS]

01:49:26   least i can count the number of less [TS]

01:49:27   than the number of downs and I know I [TS]

01:49:28   land on it having to go swipe is the [TS]

01:49:30   bottom of the barrel where I have to go [TS]

01:49:32   swipe swipe swipe down down but i don't [TS]

01:49:34   know how many times I have swype because [TS]

01:49:35   momentum may bring me over and then I [TS]

01:49:37   have to correct and it's just not a [TS]

01:49:38   pleasant experience some and when I [TS]

01:49:41   talking to the remote like I've almost [TS]

01:49:42   given up on that because see really [TS]

01:49:43   frustrates me and they're like when are [TS]

01:49:45   you ready for me to talk Cirie and they [TS]

01:49:47   keep changing like oh it's always [TS]

01:49:49   listening to start talking about often i [TS]

01:49:50   start talking then it goes boom in the [TS]

01:49:52   middle of me talking and I know it's not [TS]

01:49:53   it didn't catch after what i said and [TS]

01:49:55   when I tried talking to the remote i [TS]

01:49:56   hold down the microphone button and I [TS]

01:49:59   never always wonder when it's safe for [TS]

01:50:00   me to talk to have to wait for the [TS]

01:50:01   little rainbow colored things show up [TS]

01:50:03   can I start talking now and very often [TS]

01:50:04   it takes two or three tries and it's [TS]

01:50:06   often still better than the alternative [TS]

01:50:08   Connecticut into a nap but yeah I'm [TS]

01:50:12   ready for the next version i'll keep [TS]

01:50:13   buying example to use the same reason [TS]

01:50:15   you do about that [TS]

01:50:16   the other reason I have the market [TS]

01:50:17   perhaps dozens I'm essentially out of [TS]

01:50:18   inputs at this point right so if I [TS]

01:50:21   want to try something else have to fix [TS]

01:50:22   something and I've locked myself into [TS]

01:50:24   the apple ecosystem below the itunes [TS]

01:50:26   like movies and stuff that I bought so i [TS]

01:50:28   have to have an apple TV so I'm gonna [TS]

01:50:30   keep buying them and I'm ready to buy a [TS]

01:50:31   new one anytime I want to make it better [TS]