The Accidental Tech Podcast

198: Puppy Game Boy


00:00:00   so can you explain something to me John [TS]

00:00:01   or Casey but both of you are sports [TS]

00:00:03   people compared to me [TS]

00:00:05   okay why are the highest end video games [TS]

00:00:08   called triple AAA games but in baseball [TS]

00:00:11   the triple-a teams are kind of like the [TS]

00:00:12   minor leagues [TS]

00:00:14   it's just the same it's the same word [TS]

00:00:16   using two different contexts don't try [TS]

00:00:17   to connect them [TS]

00:00:19   that's a terrible answer that that's not [TS]

00:00:20   even an answer that's the answer it's [TS]

00:00:22   like it's like what you know like the [TS]

00:00:24   why we park on the driveway and drive in [TS]

00:00:26   the park with whatever like its it yes [TS]

00:00:28   it's the same word and it's spelled the [TS]

00:00:29   same way you've got 3 a's what why is it [TS]

00:00:31   the the people that come when you have a [TS]

00:00:33   flat tire where is that Triple A is just [TS]

00:00:35   the same set of letters but it's not the [TS]

00:00:37   same thing [TS]

00:00:37   don't get confused about it at work this [TS]

00:00:41   week i am learning to use scala the [TS]

00:00:45   programming language and Sokka which is [TS]

00:00:47   entirely different outfit too is it's [TS]

00:00:50   callous Colorado instrument or you're [TS]

00:00:52   the ones get on learning it [TS]

00:00:53   I've everyone seems to be saying scholar [TS]

00:00:55   I'm sure to a New Yorker it's kayla i [TS]

00:00:57   was assumed it was scalar like scaling [TS]

00:01:00   you know what i mean i i've literally [TS]

00:01:02   never heard anybody ever mention it you [TS]

00:01:04   know in person and totally and it seems [TS]

00:01:06   like definitely one of the first things [TS]

00:01:07   that you should learn about languages [TS]

00:01:09   how to say it [TS]

00:01:11   it's pronounced bozell John anyway so [TS]

00:01:13   the point is I'm learning scholars gala [TS]

00:01:15   gala and it's weird it's super weird and [TS]

00:01:21   I i presume that neither of you two [TS]

00:01:23   really touched it but what the little [TS]

00:01:24   bit I've seen makes me makes it very [TS]

00:01:26   obvious that not only is it is it not [TS]

00:01:28   only does it look weird but it seems [TS]

00:01:30   like only weird people use it it's one [TS]

00:01:32   of those like esoteric languages like [TS]

00:01:34   erlang that like all the really out [TS]

00:01:35   there programmers use but most people [TS]

00:01:37   don't [TS]

00:01:38   yeah it's not as is i don't know [TS]

00:01:41   esoteric is is my understanding of say [TS]

00:01:44   like Haskell is yeah that's a good [TS]

00:01:46   example but you know I've seen some go [TS]

00:01:48   and although it looks peculiar i feel [TS]

00:01:52   like i can get the general gist of [TS]

00:01:54   what's happening if i look in an [TS]

00:01:55   arbitrary go program I I feel like even [TS]

00:02:00   before i could read objective-c and [TS]

00:02:02   you'll see them see through the matrix [TS]

00:02:04   if you will [TS]

00:02:05   I could at least understand vaguely what [TS]

00:02:08   was happening in objective-c and before [TS]

00:02:09   I started to really understand Swift it [TS]

00:02:11   was very easy to at least [TS]

00:02:13   generally understand what was happening [TS]

00:02:15   in a swift app this crap is out of [TS]

00:02:18   control though and I think you know how [TS]

00:02:20   I'm how anyone who's ever written any [TS]

00:02:23   c++ ever in their lives is broken [TS]

00:02:26   forever [TS]

00:02:26   well that and has this like tremendous [TS]

00:02:29   utter fear of operator overloading my [TS]

00:02:32   admittedly ignorant impression of [TS]

00:02:34   scholarly is that it's operator [TS]

00:02:36   overloading and functional programming [TS]

00:02:37   gone crazy in so like what was that we [TS]

00:02:43   were doing it we were doing something [TS]

00:02:45   that was not scholarship itself I think [TS]

00:02:48   is something related to a co which is [TS]

00:02:49   like a I don't know it's a weirdo like [TS]

00:02:51   networking framework that's a terrible [TS]

00:02:53   summary but we'll just go with it and [TS]

00:02:54   talking about this is weird [TS]

00:02:56   it's so weird well they by overloading [TS]

00:02:59   operators in doing weirdo functions and [TS]

00:03:02   the way that you can like well in [TS]

00:03:04   curried functions and the way that you [TS]

00:03:06   can like leave out crap and that's valid [TS]

00:03:08   source of scholars syntax it's as though [TS]

00:03:11   you have an entirely different language [TS]

00:03:13   like visually it looks like an entirely [TS]

00:03:16   different language even though it's all [TS]

00:03:18   completely valid scholar because they [TS]

00:03:20   went nuts with operator overloading and [TS]

00:03:22   weirdo like shortcuts and whatnot [TS]

00:03:25   it is the most peculiar thing I've ever [TS]

00:03:27   seen and beyond that using IntelliJ as [TS]

00:03:31   an IDE is a visual assault on my [TS]

00:03:33   eyeballs like it's a decent ide and it [TS]

00:03:36   does a lot of things and it's very [TS]

00:03:37   powerful but my goodness it's hideous [TS]

00:03:41   it's even worse than the shouting [TS]

00:03:43   version of visual studio that's it file [TS]

00:03:45   edit view you know when it was when all [TS]

00:03:47   the menus were all caps for some reason [TS]

00:03:49   but I don't know about this one was yes [TS]

00:03:51   yes it is like in dots and 2012 no no [TS]

00:03:53   this is the 2010-2012 something like [TS]

00:03:55   that what I forget exactly what it was [TS]

00:03:56   but you know the typical windows menu [TS]

00:03:58   you know the same menu that you have the [TS]

00:03:59   mac but it sits on each window in [TS]

00:04:02   Windows anyways it was all caps for like [TS]

00:04:04   one or two generations of visual studio [TS]

00:04:06   for no good reason so it wasn't file and [TS]

00:04:09   it viewers file edit view it was like a [TS]

00:04:11   wrestler shouting at you constantly [TS]

00:04:13   Wow anyway so in summary scholars [TS]

00:04:16   SuperDuper weird and I don't know what [TS]

00:04:18   to make of it and i don't think i think [TS]

00:04:21   it and I and I can't tell if that's just [TS]

00:04:23   because I'm ignorant [TS]

00:04:24   and i'm still learning it and I can't [TS]

00:04:26   see the matrix if you will or see [TS]

00:04:28   through the matrix i guess but man is it [TS]

00:04:31   weird and you know in summary i guess [TS]

00:04:33   this is what being a programmer feels [TS]

00:04:35   like the whole if you had a proper [TS]

00:04:38   grammar you would have been introduced [TS]

00:04:40   all the concepts they're encountering in [TS]

00:04:43   the language that you choose to call [TS]

00:04:45   scala they wouldn't be able to you just [TS]

00:04:47   like oh my god sent to expedite in this [TS]

00:04:50   language the advantage of hanging out in [TS]

00:04:54   a multi-paradigm programming languages [TS]

00:04:56   languages go don't seem that weird and [TS]

00:04:59   everyone's got their own syntax is the [TS]

00:05:01   same reason that you felt comfortable [TS]

00:05:02   with like go and Swift is because like [TS]

00:05:05   out [TS]

00:05:05   I've seen structures and classes and [TS]

00:05:08   methods and types and inheritance [TS]

00:05:11   partying all night before so this is [TS]

00:05:12   just a different syntax for doing that [TS]

00:05:13   type of stuff and I've seen it you know [TS]

00:05:15   exceptions and case statements and you [TS]

00:05:18   know maybe options for a little new but [TS]

00:05:20   you know one new concept is not too hard [TS]

00:05:22   for you to swallow but if Scarlett has a [TS]

00:05:27   whole bunch of stuff that you haven't [TS]

00:05:28   seen before you get the weird syntax [TS]

00:05:30   also weird syntax for a thing you [TS]

00:05:32   haven't even done in a different syntax [TS]

00:05:34   before that you can like map it to you [TS]

00:05:35   know well that's the thing is that you [TS]

00:05:37   know as I've said many times in the past [TS]

00:05:38   I think swift is kind of everyone can [TS]

00:05:42   look at swift and see their their [TS]

00:05:44   preferred programming language you like [TS]

00:05:47   I feel like you as a programmer John [TS]

00:05:49   could look at swift and say oh yeah they [TS]

00:05:50   totally stole that from us and Marco is [TS]

00:05:53   someone who does whatever you do with [TS]

00:05:55   PHP you can look at that and say oh yeah [TS]

00:05:57   that's how this one should have worked [TS]

00:05:58   in PHP but doesn't and as a c-sharp [TS]

00:06:01   development and marketing objective c [TS]

00:06:03   developer you know you can see that [TS]

00:06:05   stuff and Swift whereas in Scotland [TS]

00:06:06   install I can see some of the same stuff [TS]

00:06:08   like I can see when you when you do very [TS]

00:06:11   arm I guess what kind of rudimentary is [TS]

00:06:14   the word I'm looking for but like basic [TS]

00:06:15   scholar i can see oh yes with took that [TS]

00:06:18   from scholar like optionals weigh [TS]

00:06:19   options work is a great example like [TS]

00:06:21   that taken from scott like all these let [TS]

00:06:23   you get to the family tree it's like for [TS]

00:06:24   example is almost nothing in PHP that [TS]

00:06:26   wasn't you no it didn't come from pearl [TS]

00:06:28   shell or something else before like so [TS]

00:06:30   there's a big family tree of things just [TS]

00:06:31   depends on like this is the first [TS]

00:06:32   language you encounter this stuff [TS]

00:06:33   forever you will think oh that's from [TS]

00:06:35   scholar but really it's totally not it's [TS]

00:06:37   like [TS]

00:06:37   something realistic or whatever and yeah [TS]

00:06:38   yeah no that's totally fair but you see [TS]

00:06:40   what I'm driving at right is that basic [TS]

00:06:42   scholar that we're we're things make [TS]

00:06:46   sense and it's like written for news [TS]

00:06:48   that i can understand right but then you [TS]

00:06:50   start getting this crazy crap we're so [TS]

00:06:53   as an example acha which is again this [TS]

00:06:55   like I'm gonna I'm gonna summarize it is [TS]

00:06:58   like a networking like client-server [TS]

00:06:59   framework that's completely unfair but [TS]

00:07:01   III can't come up with a better way to [TS]

00:07:03   summarize it so the way you you send a [TS]

00:07:06   message in using acha with in Scala is [TS]

00:07:10   you do like either the client or the [TS]

00:07:13   server so the line of code would read [TS]

00:07:15   for example server friend print because [TS]

00:07:18   servers a function ! message so ! has [TS]

00:07:23   been presumably operator overloaded to [TS]

00:07:25   send a message that you define on the [TS]

00:07:27   right-hand side of line to the [TS]

00:07:29   destination to find on the left-hand [TS]

00:07:31   side line i know this is really hard to [TS]

00:07:32   verbally basket is like source code on [TS]

00:07:34   podcast is kind of amazing this is this [TS]

00:07:36   is this is not going well for me but but [TS]

00:07:38   but you don't like it's just imagine [TS]

00:07:40   it's a function call an exclamation [TS]

00:07:42   point and then a variable like what what [TS]

00:07:45   the hell is happening here and and I [TS]

00:07:47   again I think a lot of this is probably [TS]

00:07:49   my problem in and if this makes in the [TS]

00:07:51   show we're gonna get all the scale of [TS]

00:07:52   people yelling at me about how I just [TS]

00:07:54   don't know what I'm talking about which [TS]

00:07:55   is accurate but as it as someone who's [TS]

00:07:58   new to it but it's been writing code [TS]

00:08:00   professionally for over a decade in you [TS]

00:08:03   know casually for 20 years now [TS]

00:08:05   man is it weird and different and I [TS]

00:08:07   think a lot of this it comes down to [TS]

00:08:09   almost every programming language I've [TS]

00:08:11   done looks or I think traces itself back [TS]

00:08:15   to see and yes on the surface colleges [TS]

00:08:17   to but I feel like there's the the [TS]

00:08:20   family tree diverged and took like like [TS]

00:08:22   hunger right-ho it is scala where most [TS]

00:08:25   of the other stuff even Swift kind of [TS]

00:08:27   just march down down the line the way it [TS]

00:08:28   was supposed to do if you will with [TS]

00:08:30   scare quotes i know it's trippy I mean I [TS]

00:08:32   think a lot of what you're seeing two is [TS]

00:08:33   just like languages have have certain [TS]

00:08:35   cultures and communities around them [TS]

00:08:36   based on their attributes and and [TS]

00:08:38   there's a community so for instance like [TS]

00:08:40   you don't see a lot of cleverness in PHP [TS]

00:08:44   code that you find online you're lucky [TS]

00:08:45   if it works and the reason why is [TS]

00:08:48   because PHP is B is used by people [TS]

00:08:51   pragmatically for the most part these [TS]

00:08:52   are people who are at all skill levels [TS]

00:08:55   you know bottom to top and there's a lot [TS]

00:08:57   of people on the bottom of course [TS]

00:08:58   because it's an easy language to learn [TS]

00:08:59   if you're new be something a lot of that [TS]

00:09:01   and then even people who are good using [TS]

00:09:03   it or their 10 they tend to pick PHP [TS]

00:09:05   because it is pragmatic and it helps [TS]

00:09:08   them get some kind of job done and as [TS]

00:09:10   you get the languages that become more [TS]

00:09:12   dynamic and have all sorts of weird [TS]

00:09:13   little syntax sugar that's that's [TS]

00:09:15   possible with them [TS]

00:09:16   I mean pearls the king of this but also [TS]

00:09:18   you know you obviously see this in a [TS]

00:09:19   language Ruby was a big one for a while [TS]

00:09:21   and of course then once you go [TS]

00:09:22   functional languages then all bets are [TS]

00:09:24   off functional people are like living on [TS]

00:09:26   the planet and so as you get like more [TS]

00:09:30   more esoteric and with more clever [TS]

00:09:32   languages [TS]

00:09:33   not only are they will do the language [TS]

00:09:34   make a lot of like crazy complex [TS]

00:09:37   unreadable but cool things possible but [TS]

00:09:40   also generally more generally way more [TS]

00:09:43   skilled programmers are the ones who [TS]

00:09:44   choose to use those languages or people [TS]

00:09:46   who are language nerds who really who [TS]

00:09:48   really love the weird things you can do [TS]

00:09:51   with these different languages that you [TS]

00:09:53   that you can't easily or at all do [TS]

00:09:55   another language of the right so you [TS]

00:09:57   will see people using an obscure [TS]

00:09:58   language like scaling or or Haskell in a [TS]

00:10:02   way that like they're almost showing off [TS]

00:10:04   what they can do because it's fun [TS]

00:10:06   because you know whatever that whatever [TS]

00:10:07   crazy thing they're doing they enjoy [TS]

00:10:09   doing that because they can't do that in [TS]

00:10:11   objective-c or PHP yeah I know it's [TS]

00:10:14   weird it's not getting none of this is [TS]

00:10:16   really bad it's just peculiar and and I [TS]

00:10:18   think what's frustrating to me is as low [TS]

00:10:20   as an experienced developer by no means [TS]

00:10:22   an expert industry as an experienced [TS]

00:10:24   developer it's it's very frustrating for [TS]

00:10:26   me because I feel like I'm not catching [TS]

00:10:28   on as quickly as I'd like and I feel [TS]

00:10:30   like Scala is not as approachable to [TS]

00:10:33   someone that happens to have my [TS]

00:10:35   background as other languages have been [TS]

00:10:37   it doesn't make scholar worse or bad or [TS]

00:10:39   wrong but it's just I i have not even [TS]

00:10:42   objective-c I feel like it was easier [TS]

00:10:44   for me to pick up then this and it's [TS]

00:10:46   just it's weird man super weird in any [TS]

00:10:49   case John tell me what's going on with [TS]

00:10:51   your buds earpods excuse me is that my [TS]

00:10:55   new iphone 7 to talk about last week i [TS]

00:10:57   got a new complaint talk about the fat [TS]

00:11:00   lightning connector last time [TS]

00:11:02   that's still annoys me but if you're [TS]

00:11:06   going to get over that but one thing [TS]

00:11:07   that I was accustomed to with the old [TS]

00:11:10   headphone jack iphone 6 when all my ipod [TS]

00:11:13   touches before that my ipod shuffles [TS]

00:11:15   before that was that if it was playing [TS]

00:11:18   audio and I put the earbuds in my ears [TS]

00:11:21   and then i plugged in the headphone the [TS]

00:11:23   audio would change to coming out of the [TS]

00:11:25   headphones and the other thing I took [TS]

00:11:27   for granted is if I had my headphones [TS]

00:11:29   plugged in and audio was playing and hit [TS]

00:11:32   the little remote thing he would stop [TS]

00:11:33   the audio from playing or started [TS]

00:11:35   depending on whether we stop you're [TS]

00:11:36   starting to sound like basic functions [TS]

00:11:38   both of them have failed multiple times [TS]

00:11:40   today playing audio I'm i think that and [TS]

00:11:44   you know I haven't quite gotten to the [TS]

00:11:46   point where I'm plug in the headphones [TS]

00:11:47   it playing out playing the speaker for [TS]

00:11:48   two seconds i plug in the headphones [TS]

00:11:49   just keeps playing through speakers [TS]

00:11:51   unplug the headphones plugged my god [TS]

00:11:54   just keeps playing through speakers like [TS]

00:11:56   whatever man you know [TS]

00:11:58   pause the thing plugging in hit play now [TS]

00:12:01   place through the headphones playing [TS]

00:12:02   through the headphones you know I'm [TS]

00:12:04   doing dishes my wife said something to [TS]

00:12:06   me I want to stop the thing so i can [TS]

00:12:07   hear hit the remote it doesn't stop [TS]

00:12:09   playing it smart again [TS]

00:12:10   nope not stopping playing the road again [TS]

00:12:11   nope not stopping playing this is no [TS]

00:12:13   good [TS]

00:12:14   you can have that you got its got to do [TS]

00:12:16   the basics when i plug in the headphones [TS]

00:12:17   the audio should start coming with a [TS]

00:12:19   black headphones like and I'm I'm [TS]

00:12:21   assuming this is a software thing so [TS]

00:12:23   there's hope of being fixed like I don't [TS]

00:12:24   think it's I have bad hardware anything [TS]

00:12:26   because it fixes itself i wait a few [TS]

00:12:30   seconds or plug the thing back in a few [TS]

00:12:33   times or you know hit play pause and the [TS]

00:12:35   thing or whatever i like it i give it a [TS]

00:12:38   big thumbs down i hope this goes away in [TS]

00:12:40   a point update to iOS it won't good i [TS]

00:12:45   haven't had this week they had this [TS]

00:12:46   experience but to be honest i've only [TS]

00:12:48   used the Lightning your pods a handful [TS]

00:12:49   of times and they have worked outside of [TS]

00:12:52   that original software issue that Scott [TS]

00:12:54   make multi is that right the guy did [TS]

00:12:57   dash super nice guy anyway that he had [TS]

00:12:59   discovered where after you would like [TS]

00:13:01   timeout it wouldn't listen to the remote [TS]

00:13:03   anywhere anymore but that apparently has [TS]

00:13:05   been fixed [TS]

00:13:05   other than that I haven't had any [TS]

00:13:07   problems have you Marco have you can [TS]

00:13:08   really use the the earpods i haven't [TS]

00:13:11   used the earpods at all the only [TS]

00:13:12   negative views are either bluetooth ones [TS]

00:13:14   for walking or [TS]

00:13:15   the adapter to the old headphone jack [TS]

00:13:19   for plain headphones and and the and [TS]

00:13:22   I've bluetooth is as mediocre and [TS]

00:13:25   inconsistent as it always has been and [TS]

00:13:28   the lightning adapter sucks it functions [TS]

00:13:31   but I'm angry every time it functions [TS]

00:13:34   especially as my phone discharges itself [TS]

00:13:37   and the stupid dongle to keep track of [TS]

00:13:39   now and it really is kind of a cheap [TS]

00:13:42   piece-of-crap that I'm worried it's [TS]

00:13:43   going to snap at any moment because the [TS]

00:13:45   cables about as thick as a human hair so [TS]

00:13:47   other than that it's fine i I'd yeah so [TS]

00:13:54   far we get with with the lack of air [TS]

00:13:56   pods being existing yet the whole story [TS]

00:14:00   about removing the headphone jack has [TS]

00:14:01   kind of fall on its face because it's [TS]

00:14:03   like all right well we moved the [TS]

00:14:04   headphone jack and now we have well the [TS]

00:14:07   same mediocrity we had before with some [TS]

00:14:09   things that got worse response to [TS]

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00:15:24   can take it as quickly as you want to [TS]

00:15:25   send it [TS]

00:15:26   they also have all sorts of restore [TS]

00:15:27   options from [TS]

00:15:28   you know basic web restore you can even [TS]

00:15:30   restore just one file so if you're [TS]

00:15:32   somewhere on vacation you want to file [TS]

00:15:33   for home computer you can go to back [TS]

00:15:34   plays and pull it off or if disaster [TS]

00:15:37   strikes [TS]

00:15:38   not only can you download things online [TS]

00:15:39   but you can have them if if you have [TS]

00:15:41   like some ridiculously large amount of [TS]

00:15:43   files that you need to restore and it's [TS]

00:15:45   gonna take you onto online you can have [TS]

00:15:47   the mail you a hard drive and if you [TS]

00:15:49   send it back within 30 days they refund [TS]

00:15:51   the price of it so backblaze is great it [TS]

00:15:53   is by far my favorite online backups the [TS]

00:15:55   1i use personally and have used for [TS]

00:15:57   years even before they were sponsor and [TS]

00:16:00   I don't get a discount I pay for just [TS]

00:16:01   like everyone else i highly recommend [TS]

00:16:03   backblaze check out today [TS]

00:16:05   backblaze dot-com / ATP for 15 day free [TS]

00:16:08   trial you can see for yourself how good [TS]

00:16:11   it is once again backblaze dot-com / ATP [TS]

00:16:14   for the best online cloud backup thanks [TS]

00:16:16   a lot to back place for sponsoring our [TS]

00:16:17   show [TS]

00:16:18   ah most of the Internet has written in [TS]

00:16:23   to tell us that you can indeed download [TS]

00:16:26   the Grand Tour asterisk yeah that is [TS]

00:16:29   slightly accurate so I thought it was [TS]

00:16:31   pretty obvious and I did listen back to [TS]

00:16:32   what we were saying and I thought it was [TS]

00:16:34   fairly obvious that for me anyway what I [TS]

00:16:37   was trying to say was I would like a [TS]

00:16:39   copy on my computer I don't want to copy [TS]

00:16:42   on my phone I don't want to copy my ipad [TS]

00:16:44   i want to copy on my computer and it [TS]

00:16:48   would be neat if that copy didn't have [TS]

00:16:50   to fall off the back of a truck that [TS]

00:16:52   does not exist so for all of you that [TS]

00:16:54   said you idiots you could have [TS]

00:16:56   downloaded Grand Tour well yes that's [TS]

00:16:57   true but it doesn't help Casey however [TS]

00:17:01   being able to download it and keep it in [TS]

00:17:04   app might have had might have helped [TS]

00:17:06   John because John I believe you were [TS]

00:17:08   saying that you didn't want to buffer [TS]

00:17:10   and you wanted to make sure it was full [TS]

00:17:11   res etc etc so in principle that would [TS]

00:17:14   have helped you i was looking for it [TS]

00:17:16   mostly to say like I demand 1080 [TS]

00:17:18   download as much as you have to so that [TS]

00:17:20   i can start watching it you know i mean [TS]

00:17:21   i guess i suppose i can sit down with [TS]

00:17:23   the whole thing first but that's you [TS]

00:17:25   know it's going to value when you sit [TS]

00:17:27   down to watch a thing especially if it's [TS]

00:17:29   getting that the crappy version i don't [TS]

00:17:31   want to say oh it's going to be [TS]

00:17:32   downloaded in 15 minutes to come back in [TS]

00:17:34   15 minutes I wanted to buffer up as much [TS]

00:17:36   as it needs to buffer to buffer 45 [TS]

00:17:38   minutes or something you know I [TS]

00:17:39   basically wanted to say don't give me [TS]

00:17:41   the stream if you can give [TS]

00:17:42   me 1080p can't give me ten eighty then [TS]

00:17:44   just keep trickling in the 1080 until [TS]

00:17:46   you have enough that you think you can [TS]

00:17:48   start showing me in real time maybe that [TS]

00:17:49   would rather wait 15 minutes or [TS]

00:17:50   something maybe just a bad are now [TS]

00:17:52   anyway i'll try it next time I haven't [TS]

00:17:55   watched episode 2 because I heard you [TS]

00:17:57   guys say bad things about it so I'm well [TS]

00:17:59   is motivated to watch it [TS]

00:18:00   yeah it was so quick sidebar we have to [TS]

00:18:02   bring it up and I was gonna bring it up [TS]

00:18:03   anyway [TS]

00:18:04   wow I'm so too is from did you watch it [TS]

00:18:07   Marco no I had to spoil it I i have to i [TS]

00:18:10   keep hearing though that it is a kind of [TS]

00:18:12   a step backwards and quality so yeah I [TS]

00:18:15   don't want to spoil anything but i will [TS]

00:18:17   just summarize my thoughts by saying our [TS]

00:18:19   host seem to have forgotten that they [TS]

00:18:21   are not actors [TS]

00:18:22   oh no and yeah whoo-hoo-hoo it was bad [TS]

00:18:27   it was not good it's worth seeing like [TS]

00:18:29   so here's the thing like again no [TS]

00:18:30   spoilers I definitely laughed a fair bit [TS]

00:18:35   so in that sense it was successful but [TS]

00:18:37   half of that was laughing through the [TS]

00:18:40   cringing and half of it was generally [TS]

00:18:42   was true [TS]

00:18:43   laughter would you have left if you were [TS]

00:18:45   watching it alone [TS]

00:18:46   I understand the question i would say [TS]

00:18:49   yes but not nearly as emphatically mm [TS]

00:18:53   it's worth your time but unlike the [TS]

00:18:57   first episode I wouldn't rush to watch [TS]

00:19:00   it you might even want to wait until the [TS]

00:19:03   series is 0 season whatever they're [TS]

00:19:04   calling it is a disease announced its [TS]

00:19:06   kind of an American show anyway [TS]

00:19:08   wait until it's over and then go back to [TS]

00:19:10   episode 2 but yikes coming back around [TS]

00:19:15   we should also mention that breaking [TS]

00:19:17   news as of a few hours ago actually [TS]

00:19:19   apparently netflix is allowing you to [TS]

00:19:23   download stuff onto your devices as well [TS]

00:19:25   I I didn't look into this very much i [TS]

00:19:28   would guess that this is not onto a [TS]

00:19:30   computer but just onto a iOS or perhaps [TS]

00:19:32   android device but this never used to be [TS]

00:19:35   a thing there was no mechanism for [TS]

00:19:36   netflix to contribute to be able to [TS]

00:19:40   refer you to be able to download netflix [TS]

00:19:41   movies and TV shows and whatnot now [TS]

00:19:43   apparently you can which is exciting [TS]

00:19:45   there were a few thoughts about the lack [TS]

00:19:48   of the arms or ears or whatever you'd [TS]

00:19:50   like to call them on the power brick on [TS]

00:19:52   the new macbook pros [TS]

00:19:55   a lot of people thought that this was a [TS]

00:19:58   deliberate choice because the existing [TS]

00:20:02   cables do we cover this the existing [TS]

00:20:03   cable on the on the prior version with [TS]

00:20:06   magsafe oftentimes when you would Bend [TS]

00:20:10   that cable in order to wrap it around [TS]

00:20:11   those arms or years or whatever we're [TS]

00:20:13   calling them you would put a pretty [TS]

00:20:15   extreme bend on the very very end of [TS]

00:20:18   that cable the end that attaches to the [TS]

00:20:19   power brick and apparently that was just [TS]

00:20:21   a tremendous point of failure across a [TS]

00:20:24   gazillion people's power bricks and so [TS]

00:20:27   perhaps they were the reason they got [TS]

00:20:30   rid of the little ears is to prevent [TS]

00:20:32   that from happening but I agree with you [TS]

00:20:35   that I don't think that's what it's [TS]

00:20:36   about little it wasn't just the part [TS]

00:20:38   where comes out of the brick is that a [TS]

00:20:39   lot of the people's theory was that the [TS]

00:20:41   ears it you know even if you were very [TS]

00:20:42   gentle with that part merely wrapping it [TS]

00:20:44   around the little years that come out of [TS]

00:20:46   that bend radius was too sharp for the [TS]

00:20:50   wire and I don't [TS]

00:20:51   well I don't buy this theory for a [TS]

00:20:54   couple reasons of the first of all many [TS]

00:20:56   people have used those years four years [TS]

00:20:57   and not a problem with it was actually [TS]

00:21:00   blow the threshold you feel like there [TS]

00:21:02   would be many more failures now i have [TS]

00:21:03   seen all the failures of the the point [TS]

00:21:05   there comes out of the brick and that is [TS]

00:21:06   just you know you're wrapping it too [TS]

00:21:07   hard or whatever but if you are gentle [TS]

00:21:09   with a wrap it around a little years I [TS]

00:21:11   feel like it is sustainable but either [TS]

00:21:13   way if people want to wrap it they're [TS]

00:21:16   going to wrap it as evidence in Marcos a [TS]

00:21:19   video that we'll talk about in the after [TS]

00:21:21   show you just wrap it around the brick [TS]

00:21:23   like it's the same radius as the ears [TS]

00:21:25   I mean I guess maybe maybe it's a little [TS]

00:21:27   now it's it's I guess yeah it may be a [TS]

00:21:29   little bit broader because the years [TS]

00:21:31   were not the same width as the block but [TS]

00:21:32   either way if people are want to wrap [TS]

00:21:34   that cable they're going to wrap that [TS]

00:21:35   cable and the People wrapped tight are [TS]

00:21:37   going to wrap it tight [TS]

00:21:38   Apple's job is to make an adapter that [TS]

00:21:41   will withstand what people do to it if [TS]

00:21:44   you can make it after that will not make [TS]

00:21:46   people need to wrap up the cable like [TS]

00:21:47   the cable magically zips back into or [TS]

00:21:49   something [TS]

00:21:49   by all means do it but if you're going [TS]

00:21:51   to make an adapter that most people when [TS]

00:21:53   they pack it in the bag want to wrap the [TS]

00:21:54   cable around something and it got the [TS]

00:21:56   square thing that I'd like to wrap it [TS]

00:21:57   around you better make that cable so [TS]

00:21:59   people can wrap it around the square [TS]

00:22:00   thing without breaking it and I think [TS]

00:22:03   for the most part they did that with the [TS]

00:22:04   old adapters yes everybody breaks every [TS]

00:22:06   cable that they are [TS]

00:22:07   you know they're like sponge cutters [TS]

00:22:09   which I think was talking about in the [TS]

00:22:10   kitchen [TS]

00:22:11   some people just cable operators they [TS]

00:22:13   eventually destroy all the cables and [TS]

00:22:15   other people don't and apples cables [TS]

00:22:17   need to be more durable and strain [TS]

00:22:19   relief needs to be more robust but in [TS]

00:22:21   general I don't think apples square [TS]

00:22:23   power bricks that have existed for many [TS]

00:22:25   many years have a reputation as being [TS]

00:22:27   fatally flawed like I feel like that is [TS]

00:22:31   a workable design that they should [TS]

00:22:33   concentrate on making veterans and [TS]

00:22:34   instead of you know if the idea was [TS]

00:22:36   these years cause people to wrap things [TS]

00:22:37   and therefore the cable breaks removing [TS]

00:22:40   the ears doesn't solve that problem [TS]

00:22:42   the the cable breakers are still just [TS]

00:22:43   going to break their cable so i don't [TS]

00:22:45   think that was the reason if it was I [TS]

00:22:46   would imagine Apple would have cited at [TS]

00:22:48   some point but and if it was the reason [TS]

00:22:51   i would say Apple your job is to make [TS]

00:22:53   the cable not break not take away the [TS]

00:22:55   thing that you think people are gonna [TS]

00:22:56   wrap it around that something to like [TS]

00:22:58   you know the the argument here is and [TS]

00:23:01   out before anyone says that you know the [TS]

00:23:02   another counter argument we heard was [TS]

00:23:04   that now it isn't just carrying power [TS]

00:23:06   now the cable is a full USBC 3.1 cable [TS]

00:23:10   so it has more wires inside of it and so [TS]

00:23:13   and that's why that's why the new power [TS]

00:23:15   cable is actually noticeably thicker and [TS]

00:23:17   less flexible than the old one and end [TS]

00:23:19   to that my answer is it didn't need to [TS]

00:23:22   be necessarily like this is a cable that [TS]

00:23:24   the vast majority of people using it the [TS]

00:23:26   vast majority of the time are going to [TS]

00:23:28   use as the power cable to the laptop [TS]

00:23:30   it's going to be effectively a dedicated [TS]

00:23:33   power cable [TS]

00:23:34   most people are not going to be like [TS]

00:23:35   swapping Internet between different [TS]

00:23:37   cables all the time like with you know [TS]

00:23:38   between using this cable as a power [TS]

00:23:40   cable and then unplug it from the power [TS]

00:23:42   brick using it to plug in a hard drive [TS]

00:23:43   for a few minutes like no in practice [TS]

00:23:45   most people are going to use this cable [TS]

00:23:47   as the power cable for its entire useful [TS]

00:23:49   life time you can solve that the Apple [TS]

00:23:51   way the way they used to solve that is [TS]

00:23:53   make the end that connects to the brick [TS]

00:23:55   not a USBC connector and then you just [TS]

00:23:57   make it a straight-up power connector [TS]

00:23:58   does not work as a USB connector because [TS]

00:24:00   only one is USBC the other end is some [TS]

00:24:02   weird thing that would things together [TS]

00:24:04   with is the keyboard remember the old [TS]

00:24:05   apple keyboard that supported the power [TS]

00:24:07   button the connector that went to the [TS]

00:24:09   keyboard and had a kink in it and you [TS]

00:24:11   couldn't put a regular USB in there just [TS]

00:24:12   before our time anyway [TS]

00:24:15   yeah so that it used to be that there [TS]

00:24:17   was a the power button to turn on your [TS]

00:24:18   Mac was on the keyboard and to support [TS]

00:24:21   that basically just before turning on a [TS]

00:24:22   turned off computer by pressing enter on [TS]

00:24:24   the keyboard they had a special cable [TS]

00:24:26   with a special whatever and the USB at [TS]

00:24:28   taipei connector had a little V shaped [TS]

00:24:30   like a groove in it and so did the end [TS]

00:24:33   where went to the keyboards if you tried [TS]

00:24:34   to stick a regular USB type a connector [TS]

00:24:36   wouldn't go in because the little [TS]

00:24:37   rectangle would hit the little triangle [TS]

00:24:39   shaped David that was down there and [TS]

00:24:41   that was your signal that all I can't [TS]

00:24:43   just take this cable and use the right [TS]

00:24:44   this is not a regular USB cable is a [TS]

00:24:46   special one so for their power brick and [TS]

00:24:48   I might be able to complain about this [TS]

00:24:50   but they have two options when they [TS]

00:24:51   could have permanently affixed the end [TS]

00:24:52   of the powerbook like the old one has [TS]

00:24:54   disadvantages too because that part [TS]

00:24:55   breaks right and the second is make it a [TS]

00:24:58   power only cable with the big thick [TS]

00:25:00   heavy gauge you know wire for the power [TS]

00:25:03   and no wires for data have a USBC [TS]

00:25:06   looking connector on one end and have [TS]

00:25:08   whatever the health connector you want [TS]

00:25:09   to put on the other end but that [TS]

00:25:11   definitely isn't USB so they would like [TS]

00:25:13   basically be a proprietary power cable [TS]

00:25:15   or whatever many solutions of this is [TS]

00:25:18   deciding that the power cable to your [TS]

00:25:20   laptop because it has to be a fully [TS]

00:25:23   functional USBC cable that you can take [TS]

00:25:25   it off and use it on a hard drive that [TS]

00:25:26   you want to keep six feet away from your [TS]

00:25:27   mac for some reason [TS]

00:25:28   hey I don't even know if that's true [TS]

00:25:29   market Marco can try it out and see if [TS]

00:25:31   it is I you know if that's true and B [TS]

00:25:33   that's not a useful application is true [TS]

00:25:35   like that's that's not useful thing to [TS]

00:25:37   do [TS]

00:25:37   yeah exactly and and I feel like to to [TS]

00:25:41   penalize all other mainstream use of [TS]

00:25:44   this computer for the fraction of people [TS]

00:25:47   who either want to keep a hard drive six [TS]

00:25:49   feet away from the computer and [TS]

00:25:50   occasionally plug it in without having [TS]

00:25:52   power or are going to break other cable [TS]

00:25:55   time like that I feel like that's it [TS]

00:25:57   that's not a good trade-off like eat the [TS]

00:26:00   dissolution to some people afraid this [TS]

00:26:03   wire is not well let's make it sucks for [TS]

00:26:06   everybody like no that is not the right [TS]

00:26:07   solution here the right solution here [TS]

00:26:09   which Apple I think used to be good at [TS]

00:26:11   doing is like find a better design if [TS]

00:26:14   you need to and and do the thing that [TS]

00:26:16   that functions best for the most people [TS]

00:26:18   most of the time and every defense of of [TS]

00:26:22   this power brick design basically rests [TS]

00:26:25   on removing the usefulness of it for [TS]

00:26:27   most people to accommodate some edge [TS]

00:26:29   cases and I simply don't agree with that [TS]

00:26:31   yeah I I think you're right i'm coming [TS]

00:26:34   back around to you know well what do you [TS]

00:26:36   do to prevent this from breakin or what [TS]

00:26:39   happens if it breaks one of the [TS]

00:26:41   advantages of this new power supply [TS]

00:26:43   which I don't know if we brought this up [TS]

00:26:44   last time now but a lot of people have [TS]

00:26:46   said you know one of the advantages of [TS]

00:26:47   this new power supply is hey let's [TS]

00:26:49   assume you destroy that cable by [TS]

00:26:50   whatever mechanism doesn't really matter [TS]

00:26:52   how it's a regular USBC cable so instead [TS]

00:26:55   of buying a new $80 brick you can just [TS]

00:26:57   buy a presumably maybe 10 or 20 or 30 or [TS]

00:27:00   even $40 USBC cable and your break is [TS]

00:27:03   still fine and so and that's really [TS]

00:27:05   awesome additional forty dollars for us [TS]

00:27:07   bck but I hope not i don't have the [TS]

00:27:09   famous died well but this this is like [TS]

00:27:11   these are high power USB cables that can [TS]

00:27:14   carry that much higher wattages of the [TS]

00:27:16   13 and 15 inch macbook pros compared to [TS]

00:27:19   like a little skinny ones that could [TS]

00:27:20   maybe charge the macbook one so the idea [TS]

00:27:23   that we that we can get third-party [TS]

00:27:25   replacements here i think most for the [TS]

00:27:27   most part it's gonna be pretty much only [TS]

00:27:29   Apple making these cables for a long [TS]

00:27:31   time if it might be forever you know it [TS]

00:27:34   the pc industry could decide to go a [TS]

00:27:35   different direction with these things we [TS]

00:27:36   don't know [TS]

00:27:37   in all likelihood it's probably going to [TS]

00:27:40   be if this cable breaks you hereby one [TS]

00:27:43   from amazon that will like melt or catch [TS]

00:27:45   fire or not charge your laptop at full [TS]

00:27:46   speed or you can go and buy apples for [TS]

00:27:49   40 bucks like that's probably going to [TS]

00:27:50   be the answer here and so i think the [TS]

00:27:53   the third party potential as like a [TS]

00:27:56   counter argument here is is kind of made [TS]

00:27:59   less significant by you can look around [TS]

00:28:02   the USBC ecosystem you can see like all [TS]

00:28:04   the stuff that's been out for the [TS]

00:28:06   macbook one so far which is now almost [TS]

00:28:08   two years old so that's how a while now [TS]

00:28:11   it was very clear from the beginning [TS]

00:28:12   like yeah yeah but it'sit's a niche [TS]

00:28:14   product Mitch whatever else that we're [TS]

00:28:17   not really and and so but is there any [TS]

00:28:19   way you can look at the ecosystem of [TS]

00:28:21   things that have become available for [TS]

00:28:22   that so far from third parties and what [TS]

00:28:24   you basically have is a mess of like [TS]

00:28:28   hubs and port splitters some of what [TS]

00:28:31   you're okay most of your crap and it's [TS]

00:28:34   kinda hard to tell which is a pitch and [TS]

00:28:36   then you have a very small number of [TS]

00:28:38   external batteries and external chargers [TS]

00:28:41   and and third-party charging cables a [TS]

00:28:43   very small number of those most of which [TS]

00:28:45   are of questionable quality i would say [TS]

00:28:47   so even after two years the third-party [TS]

00:28:50   ecosystem for us bc in the realm of like [TS]

00:28:54   high power to things like laptops has [TS]

00:28:56   barely materialized and so to to figure [TS]

00:29:00   it to assume that anything meaningful [TS]

00:29:02   will come out for a 15 inch which needs [TS]

00:29:05   85 watts like in the next couple years I [TS]

00:29:09   don't I don't see it being very likely i [TS]

00:29:11   think what's more likely is we just lost [TS]

00:29:13   features and when things break we we [TS]

00:29:16   still have to pay apple for the [TS]

00:29:18   replacement we just might have to pay [TS]

00:29:19   them less money depending on which part [TS]

00:29:21   or parts broke making removals a good [TS]

00:29:23   idea though I like the idea is removable [TS]

00:29:25   it's much better to be able to buy [TS]

00:29:27   replacement cable I just don't care [TS]

00:29:28   about buying like oh and when you buy a [TS]

00:29:31   replacement cable it's just the USB I [TS]

00:29:33   was like Marcus said hey it's not just [TS]

00:29:34   us being able to special one and some [TS]

00:29:36   firepower and be just make a proprietary [TS]

00:29:39   and one in like i'll pay apple the the [TS]

00:29:41   20 bucks for replacement if I'm a wire [TS]

00:29:43   killer and I killed the thing it's much [TS]

00:29:44   better than buying a dollar break right [TS]

00:29:46   and removable cable you know thumbs up [TS]

00:29:48   everybody likes it like it was an [TS]

00:29:50   opportunity to take an existing design [TS]

00:29:54   and fix some of the things that are [TS]

00:29:56   wrong with it just like making the [TS]

00:29:57   iphone success less slippery or whatever [TS]

00:29:59   like you got the bricks I mean you could [TS]

00:30:02   read it on him entirely and reimagine [TS]

00:30:03   and counseling way better but if you [TS]

00:30:05   don't have the time or budget to do that [TS]

00:30:06   just like the one you have to make it a [TS]

00:30:08   little better and making a removable [TS]

00:30:09   cable does make it a little bit better [TS]

00:30:10   but moving the years and making it [TS]

00:30:13   removable but making it a big thick USBC [TS]

00:30:15   table that's not easy to wrap [TS]

00:30:18   I mean like that's the thing was just [TS]

00:30:19   like cook don't wrap it around anything [TS]

00:30:20   just entirely coil it into a circle with [TS]

00:30:23   a nice bend radius and now you have a [TS]

00:30:25   circle that's about the same size as the [TS]

00:30:28   square and you just don't stick them [TS]

00:30:29   together with a rubber band or something [TS]

00:30:30   in there you go i think that is what you [TS]

00:30:33   should do instead of trying to wrap [TS]

00:30:35   around the break to be clear but people [TS]

00:30:37   are going to do what they're going to do [TS]

00:30:38   i'm not sure people are going to take [TS]

00:30:39   advantage of that and that cable i [TS]

00:30:41   didn't realize i think it was all [TS]

00:30:43   markers video is its that's pretty [TS]

00:30:45   cumbersome yeah so the replace [TS]

00:30:48   cement USBC charge cable that [TS]

00:30:51   specifically in the product information [TS]

00:30:52   noted to be for the macbook pros and the [TS]

00:30:55   macbook adorable the six-foot-two meter [TS]

00:30:58   version is nineteen dollars from apple [TS]

00:31:00   so I I when I said forty dollars earlier [TS]

00:31:02   I just had no idea and the chat room has [TS]

00:31:04   provided a link to put in the show notes [TS]

00:31:05   its twenty dollars from Apple that's [TS]

00:31:07   again 2 meters a one meter or three foot [TS]

00:31:11   equivalent cable from anchor is fifteen [TS]

00:31:15   dollars and this one from anchors [TS]

00:31:16   specifically noted in the product to [TS]

00:31:18   product description to carry up to a [TS]

00:31:20   hundred watts so it's not terribly [TS]

00:31:22   expensive to replace these and it's Jack [TS]

00:31:25   of a lot less expensive like i said [TS]

00:31:26   earlier than replacing an eighty dollar [TS]

00:31:27   brick which is awesome [TS]

00:31:29   additionally and I think John you just [TS]

00:31:30   alluded to this did you can just [TS]

00:31:33   disconnected and I think part of the [TS]

00:31:35   reason that I lamented losing the years [TS]

00:31:37   was because I wanted some way to wrap up [TS]

00:31:39   that part of the cable that used to be [TS]

00:31:41   attached permanently attached to the [TS]

00:31:43   brick and it didn't occur to me without [TS]

00:31:45   when i was talking about it last episode [TS]

00:31:47   that i can just pop the darn thing out [TS]

00:31:49   and like you said John coil it up by [TS]

00:31:50   whatever mechanism i feel appropriate [TS]

00:31:52   and then I don't need those ears anymore [TS]

00:31:54   also i've been really bombed in [TS]

00:31:56   principle about the lack of years and I [TS]

00:31:59   i am i am standing down from that I [TS]

00:32:02   think that was me not thinking the [TS]

00:32:03   problem through i am still a bit bummed [TS]

00:32:06   by magsafe and I know that they're the [TS]

00:32:08   there's the belkin Griffin [TS]

00:32:09   whatever-it-is thing that you can kind [TS]

00:32:10   of hack magsafe back in i don't really [TS]

00:32:12   care for that but i would I I understand [TS]

00:32:16   why it's not magsafe i think is probably [TS]

00:32:17   the right decision overall but I am [TS]

00:32:19   bummed about the loss [TS]

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00:34:40   thanks a lot so if you if you happen to [TS]

00:34:47   break both pieces of your power adapter [TS]

00:34:51   or if you want a second power adapter it [TS]

00:34:54   appears that the new one is more [TS]

00:34:55   expensive in the old one [TS]

00:34:57   what a surprise is is that i didn't know [TS]

00:34:59   that the old the these the 85 way [TS]

00:35:02   assuming a 15-inch the 85 watt actually [TS]

00:35:05   looks like it's true for the 14 13 as [TS]

00:35:07   well [TS]

00:35:07   85 watt max safe to power adapter which [TS]

00:35:10   includes [TS]

00:35:12   not only does include the the magsafe [TS]

00:35:14   cable and brick obviously but i think it [TS]

00:35:16   even includes that extension cable [TS]

00:35:17   doesn't it [TS]

00:35:18   the $19 anyway even if you did something [TS]

00:35:21   so that is $79 so that's what it was [TS]

00:35:23   right [TS]

00:35:24   yes $79 field for the adapter for the [TS]

00:35:26   alternation I'm sorry I thought you [TS]

00:35:28   talked about the new on my part the new [TS]

00:35:29   one is $79 just for the brick part [TS]

00:35:32   oh wow so if you want to match what you [TS]

00:35:35   got before you have to spend another $19 [TS]

00:35:39   for the USBC cable and optionally [TS]

00:35:42   another $19 for the actual three prong [TS]

00:35:45   extension cable that used to come with [TS]

00:35:46   the old one [TS]

00:35:46   I'm gonna check my order that when i [TS]

00:35:48   ordered my my adapters my work thing i [TS]

00:35:50   don't know if i took that into account [TS]

00:35:51   because I ordered a second powerbook [TS]

00:35:53   like for home so don't bring the power [TS]

00:35:54   brake back and forth but i don't know if [TS]

00:35:56   i ordered the power cable thing probably [TS]

00:35:59   not so so actually what we have here is [TS]

00:36:02   a price hike by either twenty or forty [TS]

00:36:04   dollars depending on whether you need [TS]

00:36:05   the extra long three-prong cable or not [TS]

00:36:07   fun [TS]

00:36:08   thatthat's thanks to him yet another [TS]

00:36:11   accessories price hike added to the [TS]

00:36:12   dongles added to the now two-sided ipad [TS]

00:36:15   cases keep you keep added up to him [TS]

00:36:18   thanks a lot [TS]

00:36:19   yeah and there were some article that [TS]

00:36:21   flew around it doesn't matter where it [TS]

00:36:22   was but I read somewhere somebody saying [TS]

00:36:24   you know a lot of these things i can [TS]

00:36:25   just buy like we were just talking about [TS]

00:36:27   with the magsafe you know the loss of [TS]

00:36:28   magsafe yet stock so i can justify it [TS]

00:36:30   and yea losing your sucks but you can [TS]

00:36:33   justify but man these sorts of price [TS]

00:36:36   hikes and I'm maybe there are a lot more [TS]

00:36:38   complex on the inside and I don't know [TS]

00:36:40   i'm not aware of it and and I'm not [TS]

00:36:43   giving it do credit but golly it's hard [TS]

00:36:46   for this not to just seemed like gouging [TS]

00:36:48   or you know or nickel and diming for the [TS]

00:36:51   sake of doing so like when did Apple [TS]

00:36:52   become Porsche in many ways [TS]

00:36:55   tim has continued Apple doing things [TS]

00:36:57   that we think are right but there are [TS]

00:36:58   going to be changes on a big scale when [TS]

00:37:03   the operations guy who's really good at [TS]

00:37:05   profit and operations takes over the [TS]

00:37:07   company from the product visionary and [TS]

00:37:09   it's not to say that Steve didn't care [TS]

00:37:11   about profit he very much would charge [TS]

00:37:13   outrageous amounts for whatever he felt [TS]

00:37:15   like because he thought he could and [TS]

00:37:17   sometimes it works and sometimes it [TS]

00:37:18   didn't but if you when you have the [TS]

00:37:21   operation take over the company [TS]

00:37:23   there are going to be changes like this [TS]

00:37:25   it's inevitable Tim Cook he means well I [TS]

00:37:29   think he means well for the products and [TS]

00:37:31   for Apple but he is very much numbers [TS]

00:37:34   and profit-driven that shows in a lot of [TS]

00:37:37   things apple has done in the last five [TS]

00:37:38   years it really really shows you as [TS]

00:37:42   never mentioned last show like with a [TS]

00:37:45   lot of Apple changes you can kind of [TS]

00:37:46   take that the charitable explanation or [TS]

00:37:49   you can realize like you know well [TS]

00:37:51   there's also this other side effect for [TS]

00:37:52   witches apple makes more money now or [TS]

00:37:54   things got more expensive with this [TS]

00:37:56   progress that we made or things like [TS]

00:37:58   that right [TS]

00:37:59   these kind of changes are inevitable [TS]

00:38:00   when with tim cook when the company it's [TS]

00:38:04   going to keep happening [TS]

00:38:05   we're going to keep seeing things get [TS]

00:38:07   cut we're gonna see features to get cut [TS]

00:38:09   we're going to see accessories that we [TS]

00:38:12   used to be included that now costs money [TS]

00:38:14   we're like it was going to keep seeing [TS]

00:38:15   this because the way Tim Cook operates [TS]

00:38:19   is to find profit and extracted that is [TS]

00:38:23   what he's really good at and it's going [TS]

00:38:24   to keep happening as long as Tim Cook is [TS]

00:38:27   the CEO and I don't have any reason to [TS]

00:38:28   believe it's going to end anytime soon [TS]

00:38:29   as long as Tim Cook is the CEO of Apple [TS]

00:38:32   it's going to keep going down this path [TS]

00:38:34   for things are going to get more pared [TS]

00:38:36   down and more expensive and it's gonna [TS]

00:38:39   somehow result in giving Apple more [TS]

00:38:42   money for the kinds of things that we [TS]

00:38:44   used to have to give that much money for [TS]

00:38:46   that's just how that's that's what's [TS]

00:38:48   going to happen it is happening it has [TS]

00:38:50   been happening and it will continue to [TS]

00:38:51   happen [TS]

00:38:52   yeah i mean i don't know it'sit's again [TS]

00:38:55   there may be perfectly valid reasons for [TS]

00:38:57   all these things but golly looking from [TS]

00:38:59   looking from the sidelines [TS]

00:39:00   it's hard for me to see what they are [TS]

00:39:01   for not everything but a lot of them [TS]

00:39:03   well and some of these things do have [TS]

00:39:05   valid reasons also but you it's really [TS]

00:39:08   hard to ignore that they wow you know [TS]

00:39:10   they're there are a few justifications [TS]

00:39:12   for this change but then also apple now [TS]

00:39:14   makes 40 bucks more every time you buy [TS]

00:39:16   it's like yeah like you have to look at [TS]

00:39:19   both sides that like it's it's important [TS]

00:39:21   to be to at least try to figure out a [TS]

00:39:24   good reason why don't have done [TS]

00:39:25   something but it's also important not to [TS]

00:39:27   be foolish enough to fit to realize like [TS]

00:39:29   also they do this with a profit [TS]

00:39:31   yeah yeah and i think the perfect [TS]

00:39:34   example to me is that extension cable [TS]

00:39:36   that goes to the three prong connector [TS]

00:39:38   in our why don't know how that works in [TS]

00:39:41   other countries but you know here in the [TS]

00:39:43   states you have the little receptacle [TS]

00:39:45   that goes on the power brick and then [TS]

00:39:46   it's like this two or three your main i [TS]

00:39:48   guess like three or four foot cable that [TS]

00:39:50   goes into the wall it has a ground on it [TS]

00:39:52   because not all of our plugs need [TS]

00:39:54   grounds yes i know that's barbaric for [TS]

00:39:55   you if you're British blah blah but [TS]

00:39:58   British people cannot complain about our [TS]

00:40:00   plug that plugs the size of a Buick oh [TS]

00:40:02   don't even get me started it's absurd [TS]

00:40:03   yet it's very same we can safely walk [TS]

00:40:05   around our house at night with their [TS]

00:40:07   feet in any case the point of driving it [TS]

00:40:11   though is that it is hard for me to [TS]

00:40:13   understand why it is that that [TS]

00:40:17   twenty-dollar cable is no longer [TS]

00:40:19   included in this 22 five-thousand-dollar [TS]

00:40:21   laptop like that it's just hard for me [TS]

00:40:22   to understand why that could be [TS]

00:40:24   maybe there's a reason I mean not only [TS]

00:40:26   you not only just him need your just him [TS]

00:40:28   just is really good at at profitability [TS]

00:40:31   increasing that but look a lot of apples [TS]

00:40:33   numbers are not doing so well recently [TS]

00:40:35   if you look at their you know their [TS]

00:40:36   earnings there Walter result their sales [TS]

00:40:38   figures they have a lot of pressure on [TS]

00:40:40   them to increase profitability and [TS]

00:40:44   obviously no one way you do that is by [TS]

00:40:45   selling more units another way to do it [TS]

00:40:47   is by making more money from each one [TS]

00:40:49   and so the pressure is is very strong on [TS]

00:40:53   Tim Cook personally because that's the [TS]

00:40:55   kind of thing like if if that starts [TS]

00:40:56   going south for a while you tend to want [TS]

00:40:58   to replace the CEO so the pressure is [TS]

00:41:00   very strong at the top to increase those [TS]

00:41:04   those revenue numbers to increase those [TS]

00:41:05   are those margins to Italy to keep [TS]

00:41:07   basically combat what's actually [TS]

00:41:09   happening in the market which is kinda [TS]

00:41:12   general cooling of a lot of the market [TS]

00:41:14   the apples in right you know you have [TS]

00:41:16   you have ipad sales kind of you know not [TS]

00:41:20   going great you have the mac kind of [TS]

00:41:22   slowing you have the iphone kind of you [TS]

00:41:24   know leveling off a little bit [TS]

00:41:26   Apple has a lot of pressure on it now to [TS]

00:41:28   make more money somehow and it used to [TS]

00:41:31   be not you know I'm not easy in absolute [TS]

00:41:34   terms but it used to be easier take it [TS]

00:41:36   well they just keep selling more these [TS]

00:41:38   things that's great everything's going [TS]

00:41:39   well but now with the the cooling off of [TS]

00:41:42   their numbers in the market there's tons [TS]

00:41:44   of pressure them to just increase [TS]

00:41:45   profitability so we're seeing the screws [TS]

00:41:47   tighten all over the place all over the [TS]

00:41:49   product line the services all the screws [TS]

00:41:52   tightening because they have to keep [TS]

00:41:54   making more money and they have they [TS]

00:41:56   have to do it for any way they can now [TS]

00:41:57   because otherwise numbers are going to [TS]

00:41:59   start maybe getting worse and you know [TS]

00:42:00   so we're going to keep seeing this [TS]

00:42:03   there's a reason what like we're going [TS]

00:42:05   to keep seeing products that give us [TS]

00:42:07   that are somehow you know little bit [TS]

00:42:09   cheaper to make maybe or at least we are [TS]

00:42:12   including include less without paying [TS]

00:42:14   extra you know we're not going to see [TS]

00:42:16   massive increases in like iCloud storage [TS]

00:42:19   for free regulate apple needs more money [TS]

00:42:23   from us and that's gonna keep happening [TS]

00:42:26   yeah we'll see final bit of follow-up [TS]

00:42:29   for today Apple is out of the Wi-Fi [TS]

00:42:32   business which we knew but we had an [TS]

00:42:34   email from an anonymous employee of a [TS]

00:42:37   major company that makes products that [TS]

00:42:39   integrate with Wi-Fi routers and this [TS]

00:42:41   individual said we're sad that Apple is [TS]

00:42:44   not making Wi-Fi routers anymore because [TS]

00:42:46   out of all the equipment that we deal [TS]

00:42:47   with worldwide the airport's had the [TS]

00:42:49   fewest problems and the two problems [TS]

00:42:52   that we had seemed to have gotten [TS]

00:42:54   themselves fix some way somehow and [TS]

00:42:57   that's a pretty glowing recommendation [TS]

00:42:59   from someone who presumably is in the [TS]

00:43:00   know [TS]

00:43:01   additionally JD Power and Associates [TS]

00:43:03   apparently rated apples routers is [TS]

00:43:05   having the highest or best or [TS]

00:43:07   what-have-you customer satisfaction or [TS]

00:43:10   if you're Tim Cook customer sat of all [TS]

00:43:13   available Wi-Fi routers so whoops well [TS]

00:43:17   the customer sad thing is kind of funny [TS]

00:43:18   because there's you know that you got [TS]

00:43:20   the endowment effect or whatever the [TS]

00:43:21   hell it's called when you buy something [TS]

00:43:22   expensive you're more inclined to say [TS]

00:43:24   that it's good because you don't be [TS]

00:43:25   foolish for making the purchase and so [TS]

00:43:27   apples routers are very expensive and [TS]

00:43:28   therefore people who buy them are more [TS]

00:43:29   likely to say that they're good and also [TS]

00:43:32   it's got the apple brand where even if [TS]

00:43:35   your Wi-Fi router is the same or worse [TS]

00:43:38   than other ones because it's the apple [TS]

00:43:39   brand because it looks nice and because [TS]

00:43:41   it matches your other Apple software [TS]

00:43:42   also inclined to say that it's better so [TS]

00:43:44   those two things are working towards any [TS]

00:43:46   know empirically performance-wise levels [TS]

00:43:49   Wi-Fi routers are not the best you can [TS]

00:43:51   buy but that's just you know it's it's [TS]

00:43:54   another not a data point for Apple to [TS]

00:43:56   consider is that they were selling an [TS]

00:43:58   outdated product that doesn't perform as [TS]

00:44:00   well as the competition and cost more [TS]

00:44:01   and people were still satisfied with it [TS]

00:44:04   essentially if [TS]

00:44:05   is to believe that you know their people [TS]

00:44:07   were willing to do it [TS]

00:44:08   they're willing to pay more money for a [TS]

00:44:11   less good on paper product that I in my [TS]

00:44:14   experience was actually reliable so you [TS]

00:44:16   know most companies would like to have a [TS]

00:44:18   product like that but Apple it's not [TS]

00:44:21   it's not along the critical path raffle [TS]

00:44:24   these days so oh well enough [TS]

00:44:27   alright we are out of follow-up and the [TS]

00:44:30   topic list says that the next thing we [TS]

00:44:34   need to talk about its intended switch [TS]

00:44:35   so Marco you want to talk about scary [TS]

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00:46:52   ah John tell us about the Nintendo [TS]

00:46:58   switch [TS]

00:46:59   well I should ask you to it's been so [TS]

00:47:01   long since 10 most present haha gotta [TS]

00:47:03   remember what it is [TS]

00:47:04   did you watch the day you and it came [TS]

00:47:05   out we did I did yeah it's like a boy a [TS]

00:47:08   boy puppy right yeah yeah so you already [TS]

00:47:11   know about specific looks like a puppy [TS]

00:47:13   here are so many other people [TS]

00:47:14   yes so I I don't feel like even though [TS]

00:47:18   I'm the official summarizer in chief for [TS]

00:47:20   the chief summarized in chief I don't [TS]

00:47:21   feel like I'm the best person summarizes [TS]

00:47:23   because I don't really care for video [TS]

00:47:25   game consoles but what I remember from [TS]

00:47:27   the video was it was pretty people in [TS]

00:47:29   pretty apartments playing with this [TS]

00:47:31   thing that could either be a handheld or [TS]

00:47:34   could be connected to your TV and it [TS]

00:47:36   seemed to also facilitate using like two [TS]

00:47:40   controllers if you're playing by [TS]

00:47:42   yourself so you have like one in each [TS]

00:47:43   hand or if you had a game that supported [TS]

00:47:47   it you could give ya one of the [TS]

00:47:49   controllers to a friend and hold on to [TS]

00:47:51   the other and when when tilted from [TS]

00:47:54   portrait to landscape I guess they're [TS]

00:47:55   effectively the same thing and so you [TS]

00:47:58   could play two player game with what is [TS]

00:47:59   really two halves of one controller and [TS]

00:48:02   that was pretty cool and it just made it [TS]

00:48:04   seemed like a very compelling very [TS]

00:48:07   different an interesting take on a video [TS]

00:48:09   game console but truth be told I've [TS]

00:48:11   known the video game console since the [TS]

00:48:13   original wii and I got that console for [TS]

00:48:15   all the reasons that all the people who [TS]

00:48:16   don't play video games got it was [TS]

00:48:18   because it looked interesting and [TS]

00:48:19   exciting and different so I don't market [TS]

00:48:22   let me start with you anything you want [TS]

00:48:23   to add to that and then John why don't [TS]

00:48:24   you learn us as to what we should think [TS]

00:48:26   about this [TS]

00:48:27   I mean so I have a slightly different [TS]

00:48:29   condition and in that [TS]

00:48:31   my wife tiff does play a video game [TS]

00:48:33   consoles and not frequently but there's [TS]

00:48:36   usually like one or two great games that [TS]

00:48:39   she wants to play so badly any system [TS]

00:48:41   that we end up buying it anyway and then [TS]

00:48:42   usually its sister and collecting dust [TS]

00:48:44   forever and we feel bad about it [TS]

00:48:45   afterwards so these systems are in my [TS]

00:48:48   house I could play them occasionally I [TS]

00:48:51   have but it's basically not a part of my [TS]

00:48:54   life i'm basically not a gamer I I used [TS]

00:48:56   to be and i would like to be still same [TS]

00:48:58   here but I I every time the the [TS]

00:49:01   opportunity comes up to play a game I [TS]

00:49:04   instead look at my computer I'm like [TS]

00:49:06   well I could do this instead [TS]

00:49:07   and I just I always want to do other [TS]

00:49:09   things instead I I'm kind of an [TS]

00:49:11   aspirational gamer i would like to be a [TS]

00:49:12   gamer but in practice I never choose to [TS]

00:49:15   be you're not counting desert golf is [TS]

00:49:17   because that's a game i'm not sure if [TS]

00:49:20   you know that i did put that for a while [TS]

00:49:21   but i haven't played recently because I [TS]

00:49:23   know but you didn't think a lot of time [TS]

00:49:25   it's usually the way it works against [TS]

00:49:26   people don't play a game with the [TS]

00:49:27   exception of people play MMOs people [TS]

00:49:29   don't play games forever and ever like [TS]

00:49:31   the game comes out they play it for a [TS]

00:49:32   while then they stopped when desert golf [TS]

00:49:34   came out you were right you were the [TS]

00:49:36   most heavily intuitive any person I [TS]

00:49:38   actually know well i was i was also kind [TS]

00:49:40   of using it as like Twitter methadone [TS]

00:49:42   yeah well anyway did you see that thing [TS]

00:49:44   i sent you by the way that doesn't [TS]

00:49:45   girlfriend someone found the end yeah [TS]

00:49:47   yeah it's almost at the 16-bit in limit [TS]

00:49:50   but not going [TS]

00:49:51   yeah so basically the intense which [TS]

00:49:54   looks really interested me because I [TS]

00:49:57   some of the things about that that I [TS]

00:49:59   think are appealing are appealing to [TS]

00:50:01   people like me so things like it you [TS]

00:50:03   know like the wii it is kind of the [TS]

00:50:05   casual gaming system it is not like the [TS]

00:50:07   hardcore you know ps7 vr + / like I [TS]

00:50:11   don't care about most of that stuff I i [TS]

00:50:13   know even if I like if I got the PS 54 [TS]

00:50:17   probe ER i know i would use it like once [TS]

00:50:19   and I would never use it again so i'm [TS]

00:50:21   not going to get that must have really [TS]

00:50:23   wanted for some reason so like all like [TS]

00:50:25   the high-end video game stuff I i tend [TS]

00:50:28   to shy away from because I just don't I [TS]

00:50:30   i know i won't use it and I just don't [TS]

00:50:32   care and all the games you want to play [TS]

00:50:34   the systems are all like everyone [TS]

00:50:35   shooting each other and calling them [TS]

00:50:37   racist names and it's just like I don't [TS]

00:50:39   want that [TS]

00:50:40   you know that's yeah yeah I have most of [TS]

00:50:42   like modern management gaming is really [TS]

00:50:44   not for me for a number of reasons so [TS]

00:50:47   anyway what I like about the Nintendo [TS]

00:50:51   approach in general is it tends to focus [TS]

00:50:54   on just what the fuck with the fun [TS]

00:50:56   gameplay and the general playability and [TS]

00:50:59   quality of the games themselves not just [TS]

00:51:01   having the most detailed graphics when [TS]

00:51:03   you're playing an uber realistic well [TS]

00:51:06   when you're playing a an army simulation [TS]

00:51:08   that his players think our is realistic [TS]

00:51:10   and stimulating killing people in the [TS]

00:51:14   modern world [TS]

00:51:15   yeah that doesn't do anything for me but [TS]

00:51:17   the idea of racing around a rainbow [TS]

00:51:19   racetrack shooting turtle shells of my [TS]

00:51:21   friends and like that if like I like [TS]

00:51:23   that you know that sounds fun and so I [TS]

00:51:25   like the theory of what Nintendo does [TS]

00:51:28   and maybe what they used to do in [TS]

00:51:30   practice while I've had very little [TS]

00:51:32   experience with it and almost all butch [TS]

00:51:34   was at johns house a couple years ago [TS]

00:51:35   for his birthday [TS]

00:51:37   playing playing the wii u it seems like [TS]

00:51:41   Nintendo's recent efforts are so much [TS]

00:51:45   more complex than they used to be that [TS]

00:51:47   for somebody like me it doesn't really [TS]

00:51:49   pull me anymore like 8i i would i would [TS]

00:51:52   love if I could just go by entendo [TS]

00:51:54   system and bring it home and have it be [TS]

00:51:57   just as nice and simple and playable and [TS]

00:52:01   accessible as their older games were [TS]

00:52:04   like in the nes in Super Nintendo era [TS]

00:52:06   but just new games inside just playing [TS]

00:52:10   the same old ones over and over again [TS]

00:52:11   like I would love that i would love to [TS]

00:52:13   go out and pay for that and and enjoy it [TS]

00:52:14   with my family that be fun but in [TS]

00:52:16   practice the game now are so complex [TS]

00:52:19   because they just had so many years to [TS]

00:52:20   accumulate crap so like mario kart has [TS]

00:52:22   like 50 characters now and all these [TS]

00:52:24   different crazy things happening all [TS]

00:52:25   over the track like it's hard for me to [TS]

00:52:27   even keep up its kind of manic it's kind [TS]

00:52:30   of like they've advanced even past this [TS]

00:52:33   my level of casual gaming so when I see [TS]

00:52:35   the switch and it won't want to the [TS]

00:52:37   video of the sort of the promo video the [TS]

00:52:38   switch with all the pretty young people [TS]

00:52:40   who have nothing to do apparently [TS]

00:52:40   playing video games all day sorry young [TS]

00:52:43   people when i see that it looks [TS]

00:52:46   appealing it looks like i would love to [TS]

00:52:49   have this little puppy gameboy and be [TS]

00:52:51   able to take the controllers and have [TS]

00:52:52   two player [TS]

00:52:53   local multiplayer anywhere i take this [TS]

00:52:55   that's awesome like the two player that [TS]

00:52:58   is so great to have two player local [TS]

00:53:00   multiplayer in a portable like this [TS]

00:53:02   that's fantastic i hope they really do [TS]

00:53:04   well with that and i hope they really [TS]

00:53:06   use it but if i look at the games they [TS]

00:53:08   made recently it's all stuff that I that [TS]

00:53:11   I think i will like unless I try it and [TS]

00:53:14   I realize oh this [TS]

00:53:15   yeah i don't i don't know if this is too [TS]

00:53:16   much for me i don't i don't care for [TS]

00:53:18   this so it's the kind of thing where in [TS]

00:53:23   theory i might really enjoy this thing [TS]

00:53:25   but in practice i probably won't [TS]

00:53:28   so John what do you think well my i am a [TS]

00:53:34   console gamer and I do like gaming [TS]

00:53:36   consoles and I've had a whole bunch of [TS]

00:53:38   them have had it but having my house now [TS]

00:53:41   the ps3 for pro and the Nintendo 64 game [TS]

00:53:48   cube we did I skip on anyway I got a [TS]

00:53:54   bunch of different consoles know [TS]

00:53:56   Microsoft one sorry at and when the we [TS]

00:53:59   came out I was disappointed that [TS]

00:54:02   Nintendo had given up the race for [TS]

00:54:07   console power that they were no longer [TS]

00:54:12   pursuing that they were content to [TS]

00:54:14   produce a console that was basically [TS]

00:54:17   previous generation hardware and I was [TS]

00:54:19   disappointed in that because I knew what [TS]

00:54:22   that would mean for the games that are [TS]

00:54:24   produced and I know what it would mean [TS]

00:54:25   for the software support and it [TS]

00:54:27   eventually did like very quickly games [TS]

00:54:30   would be out for playstation 3 xbox 360 [TS]

00:54:34   and pc that was a list of supported [TS]

00:54:37   platforms you would see all the time on [TS]

00:54:39   games the most popular games are out for [TS]

00:54:41   those platforms the best sellers the [TS]

00:54:43   triple-a games as i told them i was a [TS]

00:54:45   call them playstation 3 xbox 360 pc [TS]

00:54:49   never we port if there was a wee part in [TS]

00:54:53   the rare case it looked terrible they [TS]

00:54:55   played terrible it had disadvantages [TS]

00:54:57   because you just can't make a cross [TS]

00:54:59   platform game targeting three platforms [TS]

00:55:02   that are sort of on the same level [TS]

00:55:04   and then one platform that is an entire [TS]

00:55:06   generation behind that didn't end up [TS]

00:55:09   hurting the wii because that we appeal [TS]

00:55:11   to all the cases of the world who are [TS]

00:55:12   like I want a regular bowl too and it [TS]

00:55:15   was fun right and it was it was cool and [TS]

00:55:17   interesting and got tons more people to [TS]

00:55:19   play to buy a nintendo console and by [TS]

00:55:21   Nintendo console games and play them and [TS]

00:55:24   have a good time and so the wii was a [TS]

00:55:26   success as a product but for me who is [TS]

00:55:29   just a plain old boring console gamer of [TS]

00:55:31   the old stripe not of the new on a bowl [TS]

00:55:33   of my living room strike but the [TS]

00:55:35   old-style it was interesting i like [TS]

00:55:38   mostly like the fact that i could play [TS]

00:55:40   gamecube games on it [TS]

00:55:41   still it was nice that backward [TS]

00:55:42   compatibility which you know it didn't [TS]

00:55:44   get on the the ps3 or whatever and i [TS]

00:55:49   enjoyed those games two and i enjoyed [TS]

00:55:51   the Nintendo exclusive games as the [TS]

00:55:54   first party games as i always do it [TS]

00:55:55   because they were all very good you know [TS]

00:55:57   nintendo does a good job with this offer [TS]

00:55:58   they're not too complex for me so I was [TS]

00:56:01   i liked the the expansion of those games [TS]

00:56:04   into the new platform oh I did play [TS]

00:56:06   zelda on the Gamecube instead of the way [TS]

00:56:08   on purpose because the controls are [TS]

00:56:09   better on the Gamecube one then then on [TS]

00:56:12   the way version but give them a pass [TS]

00:56:14   because like all right well if you have [TS]

00:56:16   to do this it's going to be successful [TS]

00:56:17   product rather than to have a successful [TS]

00:56:18   product and unsuccessful one because I [TS]

00:56:20   want them to be successful so you [TS]

00:56:21   continue making the games i like and i [TS]

00:56:23   did like the games that they made the [TS]

00:56:25   wii u was a similar thing previous [TS]

00:56:29   generation hardware right so there it is [TS]

00:56:32   better than the wii but they're still [TS]

00:56:33   basically one entire generation behind [TS]

00:56:34   if you want to measure in terms of [TS]

00:56:36   performance wasn't going to get the [TS]

00:56:38   ports for all the ps4 and xbox one games [TS]

00:56:41   which are its supposed contemporaries [TS]

00:56:43   more or less so you're still going to [TS]

00:56:45   see games their ps4 xbox one and pc [TS]

00:56:47   that's all you're going to see and it [TS]

00:56:51   had a novelty factor with the second [TS]

00:56:53   screen and also supported all the wii's [TS]

00:56:55   motion control stuff on top of that in [TS]

00:56:57   fact there was so many different role [TS]

00:56:59   options probably too many but it wasn't [TS]

00:57:02   successful instantly people weren't as [TS]

00:57:05   interested in and obviously this time [TS]

00:57:07   the wii stuff was interesting to them [TS]

00:57:09   because they had already seen all that [TS]

00:57:11   and if they had been like Casey it [TS]

00:57:13   bought it [TS]

00:57:14   scene that played it and then you know [TS]

00:57:15   it goes away they want something new and [TS]

00:57:17   the new thing [TS]

00:57:18   the second screen didn't appeals that [TS]

00:57:19   because it wasn't like marker set it [TS]

00:57:21   seemed more complicated even more [TS]

00:57:24   complicated than just using a controller [TS]

00:57:25   you know that we've seen less [TS]

00:57:27   complicated that you just stand in front [TS]

00:57:28   of the TV with thing looks like our [TS]

00:57:29   motor wave your hands around like an [TS]

00:57:30   idiot right that but this was now I hold [TS]

00:57:33   this thing with all these buttons and [TS]

00:57:34   the screen here but there's also a [TS]

00:57:36   screen there but sometimes they're [TS]

00:57:37   combined it was too much the first party [TS]

00:57:40   games for you have been really good [TS]

00:57:42   intentions against was really good i [TS]

00:57:44   think mary kart 8 is one of the best [TS]

00:57:46   entries in the memory card series i [TS]

00:57:48   don't think it's to manic I think it's [TS]

00:57:50   about equally mannequins the nintendo 64 [TS]

00:57:52   version that Marco probably liked but it [TS]

00:57:56   you know it's I think it's a great entry [TS]

00:57:58   in the series i think almost all the [TS]

00:58:00   antenna first party games for wii u [TS]

00:58:01   really good especially the ones that [TS]

00:58:03   sort of harken back to the 2d Mario's [TS]

00:58:04   where they're technically 3d but they're [TS]

00:58:06   the freedom of motion is decrease so [TS]

00:58:09   it's a simple game to get into them you [TS]

00:58:11   know a quarter full fledge merrier like [TS]

00:58:13   you know sunshine galaxy or Mary 64 but [TS]

00:58:18   it wasn't successfully you was not a [TS]

00:58:19   success it was they stopped [TS]

00:58:21   manufacturing its top-selling it way [TS]

00:58:23   before the normal active life time of a [TS]

00:58:25   console so the wii u is no more you can [TS]

00:58:29   find a cheap it is if you really can [TS]

00:58:31   find a cheap the first party games were [TS]

00:58:34   absolutely worth playing and you should [TS]

00:58:36   get them but i would say that we use a [TS]

00:58:38   failure of a console you know I almost [TS]

00:58:41   as much of a failure as that we was [TS]

00:58:43   success and so the successor to that the [TS]

00:58:45   hastily ready successor because if [TS]

00:58:48   you're going to can we you have [TS]

00:58:49   something to replace it is the switch [TS]

00:58:52   thing and the rumors were for long [TS]

00:58:55   before even the wii u was cancelled that [TS]

00:58:57   Nintendo's next council was going to be [TS]

00:58:59   some kind of hybrid thing that was both [TS]

00:59:01   portable and regular and as soon as [TS]

00:59:04   rumors came out you're like well for the [TS]

00:59:05   third time in a row [TS]

00:59:06   nintendo is not going to try to make a [TS]

00:59:09   gaming console whose power is comparable [TS]

00:59:11   to the current generation of consoles [TS]

00:59:15   which at this point are the like 2.5 [TS]

00:59:18   releases you got the ps4 pro which is [TS]

00:59:20   not really the next generation [TS]

00:59:21   PlayStation 2 PlayStation five but it's [TS]

00:59:23   more powerful than playing playstation 4 [TS]

00:59:25   and xbox has that Scorpio thing I forget [TS]

00:59:28   a present [TS]

00:59:28   Lynette that's coming out next year or [TS]

00:59:30   whenever it's going to be even more [TS]

00:59:32   powerful than the xbox one but backward [TS]

00:59:34   compatible you know so that the other [TS]

00:59:36   console makers are doing this half [TS]

00:59:37   generation thing but either way the [TS]

00:59:40   switch is not going to be there [TS]

00:59:41   contemporary in terms of power so they [TS]

00:59:43   the Rangers thing it is a hybrid if its [TS]

00:59:46   hybrid and portal and how can it be how [TS]

00:59:47   can be comfortable and power to [TS]

00:59:49   something that you plug into the wall [TS]

00:59:50   and the state's plug in the whole time [TS]

00:59:52   and that is the size of lunch box this [TS]

00:59:53   is small its portable the screen is [TS]

00:59:55   right in it is going to be under power [TS]

00:59:58   this thing uses an NVIDIA Tegra process [TS]

00:59:58   this thing uses an NVIDIA Tegra process [TS]

01:00:00   so which is a mobile thing I think it [TS]

01:00:02   will be more powerful than the wii u [TS]

01:00:03   because it was pretty pretty hard not to [TS]

01:00:05   be but I don't think it's even up to the [TS]

01:00:08   power level the PlayStation 4 [TS]

01:00:10   what does that mean for the third [TS]

01:00:11   generation there will be games that are [TS]

01:00:13   available for playstation 4 and [TS]

01:00:14   PlayStation 4 pro for xbox one and the [TS]

01:00:17   scorpio thing for pc and you won't see [TS]

01:00:20   the antenna switch on that list right so [TS]

01:00:22   it will continue to operate in the world [TS]

01:00:24   where it doesn't get the first the the [TS]

01:00:27   the Triple A titles from the big [TS]

01:00:29   third-party vendors the multi-platform [TS]

01:00:31   big titles are in general not going to [TS]

01:00:33   be in all of them that they are and it's [TS]

01:00:34   going to be a cut-down version but isn't [TS]

01:00:36   that kind of like a feature not a bug [TS]

01:00:37   like to me it's like you know if you [TS]

01:00:40   want to have like you know call [TS]

01:00:41   desensitized to violence 17 like is that [TS]

01:00:43   really the kind of game that you want to [TS]

01:00:45   play on a switch I I think your view of [TS]

01:00:48   the console game world is very narrow [TS]

01:00:51   compared to the actuality of it for [TS]

01:00:53   example I would say one of the games [TS]

01:00:54   that if it hasn't already played I think [TS]

01:00:56   she will enjoy is uncharted 4 which is [TS]

01:00:59   very very far from that have a bunch of [TS]

01:01:04   twelve-year-olds call you racist names [TS]

01:01:06   why you should people with realistic [TS]

01:01:07   military guns stereotype that you are [TS]

01:01:09   putting in an even though it is a [TS]

01:01:11   multimillion-dollar Triple A game with [TS]

01:01:13   huge budgets it's not cross-platform [TS]

01:01:15   this case its platform exclusive we [TS]

01:01:17   might actually have that with which game [TS]

01:01:19   came in the bundle that we bought the [TS]

01:01:21   ps4 with so the typical play fallout [TS]

01:01:22   probably you probably have uncharted 4 [TS]

01:01:24   but if you sit and watch her play [TS]

01:01:26   through it i think it's all the wrapping [TS]

01:01:28   I think you if you if he decides to play [TS]

01:01:30   through it and you watch her play [TS]

01:01:31   through it i think you will be [TS]

01:01:32   thoroughly convinced that despite having [TS]

01:01:35   the trappings of you know in movie [TS]

01:01:36   parlance a big-budget movie it's got all [TS]

01:01:39   it costs a lot of money to make it's got [TS]

01:01:41   super realistic graphics everything you [TS]

01:01:43   know like it's that type of game exactly [TS]

01:01:46   that type but I think content-wise is [TS]

01:01:49   not what you expected to be and that's [TS]

01:01:50   not even going into considering the [TS]

01:01:52   games that are into John's that you're [TS]

01:01:54   not even thinking about and we're [TS]

01:01:55   japanese things that are you know like [TS]

01:01:57   anyway i think is much more diverse than [TS]

01:01:59   you think it's been no also who is [TS]

01:02:00   acceptable time follow-up ATP tipster [TS]

01:02:02   who knows everything [TS]

01:02:04   apparently he says I have the collection [TS]

01:02:06   not for 12 and 30 [TS]

01:02:10   well anyway all the games are getting a [TS]

01:02:11   rumor of my own game collection for me [TS]

01:02:13   p tipster which is probably the reason I [TS]

01:02:15   look at you I don't know what W but i [TS]

01:02:17   haven't been to your house to see which [TS]

01:02:19   the thing you have but there's much more [TS]

01:02:21   writing everybody the right i like to [TS]

01:02:24   have available to me the menu of the [TS]

01:02:28   best games and I don't play war games [TS]

01:02:30   either i don't play any realistic [TS]

01:02:31   shooters and play military shooters i [TS]

01:02:33   also don't play any sports games and and [TS]

01:02:35   you know like I have generous that I [TS]

01:02:36   like to but i would prefer to have the [TS]

01:02:40   menu of all the big important cause [TS]

01:02:42   performance which is one of the reasons [TS]

01:02:43   i have a playstation also as I brought [TS]

01:02:46   up many times power console power you [TS]

01:02:49   know computing power is not just like [TS]

01:02:51   I'm just going to make them look [TS]

01:02:52   prettier and it's totally pointless and [TS]

01:02:53   we should concentrate on the gameplay [TS]

01:02:54   more power gives the ability to make [TS]

01:02:57   different types of games you can their [TS]

01:02:59   gameplay advances that are only possible [TS]

01:03:01   due to power 3d is one of them if you [TS]

01:03:04   don't give you if you kept making 2d [TS]

01:03:06   hardware and just let it control more [TS]

01:03:07   and more sprites you never get married [TS]

01:03:08   64 if you never crank up the computing [TS]

01:03:12   power and you know for wearable shaders [TS]

01:03:15   everything you don't get a game that [TS]

01:03:16   looks like ego or shadow of the colossus [TS]

01:03:18   of you if you can't do large crowds you [TS]

01:03:19   don't get dead rising like it affects [TS]

01:03:21   gameplay and like making things thinner [TS]

01:03:23   you like well do I need something is [TS]

01:03:25   incremental more powerful just make it [TS]

01:03:26   is not that big of a deal [TS]

01:03:28   well who like a Viking i get like [TS]

01:03:30   slightly bigger crowds are slightly [TS]

01:03:31   longer draw distance if you opt out of [TS]

01:03:33   that are always lagging behind you won't [TS]

01:03:35   be you won't be able to make that next [TS]

01:03:37   leap like so nintendo is always one [TS]

01:03:39   behind what they can do I always at this [TS]

01:03:41   point you know it hasn't been talking [TS]

01:03:43   about the last show some people have [TS]

01:03:45   been fantasizing about what it would be [TS]

01:03:47   like if Colin makers can make max was [TS]

01:03:50   like boy if someone you know someone was [TS]

01:03:51   willing and able to make like the mac of [TS]

01:03:54   your dreams with the features that you [TS]

01:03:55   want or whatever and apple let them do [TS]

01:03:57   it for many years now basically since [TS]

01:03:59   the introduction of that we have [TS]

01:04:00   anything about can you imagine what a [TS]

01:04:02   zelda game would be like that ps4 pro [TS]

01:04:04   you know same developers like it made by [TS]

01:04:07   nintendo because they know how to make [TS]

01:04:08   great Zelda games that I enjoy people [TS]

01:04:10   like zelda games they do not make right [TS]

01:04:11   but having available to them to consult [TS]

01:04:14   aren't used to be well you can't do that [TS]

01:04:16   because Nintendo makes its games in [TS]

01:04:20   harmony with the control schemes which [TS]

01:04:23   is still true but at this point if [TS]

01:04:25   they're always going to like behind hard [TS]

01:04:27   it's like I'm almost willing to [TS]

01:04:28   sacrifice some of their control [TS]

01:04:29   innovation especially after something [TS]

01:04:30   like the wii u where their control [TS]

01:04:32   innovation didn't really work out that [TS]

01:04:34   way like Star Fox on the wii u that's an [TS]

01:04:37   interesting control scheme but i'm not [TS]

01:04:39   sure to make starfox better and and even [TS]

01:04:42   on the wii for traditional types of [TS]

01:04:44   games like Zelda I preferred to play it [TS]

01:04:45   on the Gamecube all those cards are [TS]

01:04:48   obviously was a thing that only work on [TS]

01:04:49   the weekend i'm glad i played that game [TS]

01:04:51   even though it has some issues anyway so [TS]

01:04:55   switch not pursuing that in exchange for [TS]

01:04:58   not pursuing it has more than the wii u [TS]

01:05:00   does the wii u did not pursue power did [TS]

01:05:02   not have a novelty to get people to buy [TS]

01:05:04   it but it didn't it didn't have anything [TS]

01:05:07   the only thing I had to offer was how [TS]

01:05:09   you've got second screen is lots of [TS]

01:05:10   different transcripts which I think was [TS]

01:05:11   interesting but ultimately wasn't enough [TS]

01:05:13   the switch has something to offer which [TS]

01:05:15   like you said markers you can take it [TS]

01:05:17   away from your TV and carry with you [TS]

01:05:18   like that is that is a pretty big [TS]

01:05:21   selling point and if nintendo is going [TS]

01:05:23   to opt out of the console war as they [TS]

01:05:25   you know the console power water [TS]

01:05:27   basically to be in their own market like [TS]

01:05:28   we are not selling a thing that's the [TS]

01:05:30   same as the xbox and playstation we're [TS]

01:05:32   selling a different thing like you and [TS]

01:05:34   you can tell it's different because you [TS]

01:05:35   can pick those up and walk away with [TS]

01:05:36   them they don't have a screen right it [TS]

01:05:38   is a different thing and so then it you [TS]

01:05:41   don't have an expectation that the [TS]

01:05:42   multi-platform games going to be on all [TS]

01:05:44   of them and now the question is where do [TS]

01:05:47   they find they find a place in the [TS]

01:05:49   gaming market where they can fit that is [TS]

01:05:51   not competing with microsoft and sony [TS]

01:05:54   over there making the consul's not [TS]

01:05:56   competing for with the pc gamers also [TS]

01:05:58   not competing for the phone and tablet [TS]

01:06:00   games is their place somewhere like it's [TS]

01:06:03   not one of those places that's making [TS]

01:06:06   games that you can use portably but also [TS]

01:06:09   on your TV but aren't console games and [TS]

01:06:12   aren't fancy like pc games but also our [TS]

01:06:14   casual like mobile games it's a strange [TS]

01:06:17   place and i think i think the switch it [TS]

01:06:19   has the ability to potentially carve out [TS]

01:06:21   that appeal and I think actually the [TS]

01:06:24   thing that gives you the power to find a [TS]

01:06:27   market is both it has an advantage the [TS]

01:06:29   customers and see but also because it's [TS]

01:06:32   less powerful this was true the way you [TS]

01:06:33   in the way and it was enough to save [TS]

01:06:34   them but because of less powerful there [TS]

01:06:37   is the potential to attract [TS]

01:06:39   games that are I don't know there's a [TS]

01:06:42   word for it but like not triple I but [TS]

01:06:44   how about double-a games or just a game [TS]

01:06:46   is basically games made on a much [TS]

01:06:48   smaller budget because the assets will [TS]

01:06:49   be you know fewer polygons lower [TS]

01:06:51   resolution textures like it's still [TS]

01:06:53   there still happen definition right but [TS]

01:06:56   in theory that so the theory goes you [TS]

01:06:58   can make a game more cheaply for the [TS]

01:07:00   switch then you can for the playstation [TS]

01:07:02   4 or the xbox one because there is lower [TS]

01:07:06   fidelity and lower-cost heart in the [TS]

01:07:07   assets and all that other stuff and so [TS]

01:07:09   if there's an interesting game idea that [TS]

01:07:12   doesn't they can never get the [TS]

01:07:13   multimillion-dollar budget behind it [TS]

01:07:15   maybe that will appear on the switch why [TS]

01:07:18   wouldn't a game appear on iOS maybe it [TS]

01:07:21   would [TS]

01:07:21   that's bad for Nintendo but maybe also [TS]

01:07:23   is the type of game that really expect a [TS]

01:07:27   traditional controller and you can't put [TS]

01:07:29   a game on iOS that demands the [TS]

01:07:30   controller and apparently you can do an [TS]

01:07:32   apple TV and no one cares because no one [TS]

01:07:33   games on apple TV and you know honestly [TS]

01:07:35   don't know which camera is it was gonna [TS]

01:07:37   probably be more powerful more capable [TS]

01:07:38   in a much better game system in the [TS]

01:07:40   apple TV and regular TV connected box so [TS]

01:07:43   I I'm not optimistic about the switches [TS]

01:07:47   chances but I'm not as pessimistic as i [TS]

01:07:48   was about the wii u of it intends going [TS]

01:07:50   to do anything it was either come back [TS]

01:07:52   and try to compete with micro zoning and [TS]

01:07:54   they're not doing that now and then to [TS]

01:07:55   be clear that would be very dangerous [TS]

01:07:57   and difficult than the other kind [TS]

01:07:58   understand what they didn't do it or [TS]

01:07:59   find a new market and this is their [TS]

01:08:01   attempt to find a new market and just [TS]

01:08:03   just staring at it like it's not up to [TS]

01:08:05   me what I think it is not the market he [TS]

01:08:06   thinks of its it's on mass like if you [TS]

01:08:08   know you're busy it's okay so you think [TS]

01:08:10   that people is yeah right [TS]

01:08:12   it really is though is the thing that [TS]

01:08:13   people want to buy right because people [TS]

01:08:15   already have they can already play [TS]

01:08:16   better golf they can already play angry [TS]

01:08:18   birds on their phones right and they [TS]

01:08:19   already have another console and they [TS]

01:08:20   already have pcs is you know is nintendo [TS]

01:08:25   slowly becoming the company that sells [TS]

01:08:29   products only two people who want to [TS]

01:08:31   play first part in nintendo games and if [TS]

01:08:33   so is that a viable business and if it's [TS]

01:08:36   a viable business is it a viable [TS]

01:08:37   business that supports the creation of [TS]

01:08:38   hardware or will they inevitably end up [TS]

01:08:41   merely being a game developer for other [TS]

01:08:45   people's hardware which no one wants to [TS]

01:08:46   see happen but as the Nintendo that we [TS]

01:08:48   knew it seems to be fading from view and [TS]

01:08:50   as intended was forced to [TS]

01:08:51   I'm not gonna say pimp out its [TS]

01:08:53   properties but forced to expand its [TS]

01:08:55   intellectual property into new realms by [TS]

01:08:58   you know making mobile games like Mary [TS]

01:09:00   run and having and pokemon go by teaming [TS]

01:09:03   up with universal to make a theme park [TS]

01:09:05   doing things that have previously hadn't [TS]

01:09:06   done because look they have very [TS]

01:09:08   valuable intellectual property and if [TS]

01:09:10   you want to make some money you can make [TS]

01:09:12   money by giving University of characters [TS]

01:09:14   having been making the theme park you [TS]

01:09:15   can make money by making a mobile [TS]

01:09:16   version of mario because it's going to [TS]

01:09:18   sell a lot of copies just based on the [TS]

01:09:19   name but as they do that the Nintendo [TS]

01:09:23   that was the Nintendo that made Mary 64 [TS]

01:09:25   and the controller and that whole [TS]

01:09:27   console you know to to usher in a new [TS]

01:09:30   age of 3d gaming all the piece hardware [TS]

01:09:33   and software and you know in gameplay [TS]

01:09:35   altogether that one is fading from view [TS]

01:09:38   and it makes me just think more and more [TS]

01:09:41   about the idea of nintendo making a [TS]

01:09:44   zelda game for ps4 and stop selling its [TS]

01:09:46   own hardware entirely like if they if [TS]

01:09:48   they keep trying you know if they've had [TS]

01:09:50   11 success in one failure [TS]

01:09:52   the third one will kind of be the [TS]

01:09:53   tiebreaker if they didn't do it with [TS]

01:09:55   this one [TS]

01:09:55   what is the net what's the next [TS]

01:09:56   generation move is the next generation [TS]

01:09:58   to say no more hardware entirely or do [TS]

01:10:00   they go back to fighting with Microsoft [TS]

01:10:02   Nintendo for with real full power [TS]

01:10:04   consoles or has that ship sailed [TS]

01:10:06   I don't know anyway i'm buying another [TS]

01:10:09   switch because i want to play the next [TS]

01:10:11   mary zell the game as i always do and [TS]

01:10:13   whatever other weird game surprises me [TS]

01:10:14   because there's always one for each and [TS]

01:10:16   a platform and when I buy a console and [TS]

01:10:19   play only two or three games on it [TS]

01:10:20   I don't feel bad or guilty I feel like [TS]

01:10:22   it's money well spent because you know [TS]

01:10:24   that's the amount of time i have to [TS]

01:10:25   invest and I'm totally willing to to buy [TS]

01:10:29   a contact i bought two consoles now to [TS]

01:10:31   playstation 4 consoles the vast majority [TS]

01:10:34   which have been playing a single game [TS]

01:10:36   destiny only to play uncharted for a few [TS]

01:10:38   other things on it and I'm fine with [TS]

01:10:40   that but it doesn't really matter [TS]

01:10:43   I'm not the customer Apple is going for [TS]

01:10:45   and neither is marco i think nintendo [TS]

01:10:47   continues to go for Casey which is [TS]

01:10:48   someone who's not really into games but [TS]

01:10:52   maybe the bodies thing just because it [TS]

01:10:53   looks cool and and we'll see we'll see [TS]

01:10:56   but the the sales numbers i will see [TS]

01:10:58   what the third party software support [TS]

01:11:00   looks like because the third party [TS]

01:11:01   software support for the wii u just [TS]

01:11:02   basically disappeared after [TS]

01:11:04   everyone realized that no one was buying [TS]

01:11:05   them and you can't put your existing [TS]

01:11:07   titles and it's not worth making a [TS]

01:11:08   custom title because it's not enough of [TS]

01:11:10   them out in the wild and no one knows [TS]

01:11:12   what to do with that controller anyway [TS]

01:11:13   so I'm not buying one of these it [TS]

01:11:16   doesn't a nintendo I mean John you know [TS]

01:11:18   better than I do it doesn't end o still [TS]

01:11:20   do well in portables that's not [TS]

01:11:23   something i don't know what had been [TS]

01:11:24   following is close to the question is do [TS]

01:11:25   they continue to sell the 3ds order then [TS]

01:11:28   a lot of the stories that say about the [TS]

01:11:30   switches like oh this is great because [TS]

01:11:31   Nintendo being a small company had [TS]

01:11:33   difficulty making software like you know [TS]

01:11:36   for example for the wii u is a long wait [TS]

01:11:37   between first-party titles and third [TS]

01:11:39   parties were not filling the gap and [TS]

01:11:40   that's you know if Nintendo didn't have [TS]

01:11:42   to spend some of these resources making [TS]

01:11:43   3ds games and so much resources making [TS]

01:11:46   me you games instead the head teams just [TS]

01:11:48   making games for their one and only [TS]

01:11:50   platform that happens to be portable as [TS]

01:11:51   well as television connected want that [TS]

01:11:53   solve that problem but on the other hand [TS]

01:11:55   I you know I haven't seen any official [TS]

01:11:58   announcement that they're going to stop [TS]

01:11:59   selling that the two TDs and 3ds and [TS]

01:12:01   those are still lower power devices that [TS]

01:12:03   are going to way better battery life in [TS]

01:12:04   this thing is that you know so as far as [TS]

01:12:06   I've been able to determine i admit that [TS]

01:12:07   i have not been following this closely [TS]

01:12:08   i'm sure we'll follow up about it i [TS]

01:12:11   think they're going to sell the switch [TS]

01:12:12   and continue to sell the 3ds least for [TS]

01:12:15   some period of time so i don't know i [TS]

01:12:16   don't see that they're going to get the [TS]

01:12:17   big win we're like concentrate [TS]

01:12:19   everything under this one console in [TS]

01:12:21   theory they could in theory they could [TS]

01:12:22   say this is it from now on it's intended [TS]

01:12:24   switch and all other console lines will [TS]

01:12:26   fade out and we'll put our wood behind [TS]

01:12:27   this one arrow but you know i don't i'm [TS]

01:12:32   not sure that's advisable this point and [TS]

01:12:35   you know what if the switch is a dud and [TS]

01:12:37   you have a hard kaur fading out on the [TS]

01:12:40   the 3ds then what have you even got left [TS]

01:12:42   so I don't think that's going to happen [TS]

01:12:43   i have read about it happening and if it [TS]

01:12:45   is some old Senate you know well maybe [TS]

01:12:48   maybe this is the head right maybe maybe [TS]

01:12:50   the switch is maybe right now they plan [TS]

01:12:53   to launch the switch keep 3d surround as [TS]

01:12:56   kind of like a fallback plan and then if [TS]

01:12:58   the switch does well then you basically [TS]

01:13:01   replace a 3ds then you just in 3ds and [TS]

01:13:03   and move everybody to over the switches [TS]

01:13:05   to me like if you look at what nintendo [TS]

01:13:07   is is good at where they succeed and if [TS]

01:13:10   you look at the what holds us in the [TS]

01:13:12   marketplace today you know yeah I think [TS]

01:13:14   you're right it is it is worth [TS]

01:13:16   questioning like you know does a whole [TS]

01:13:18   exist for a portable system that isn't a [TS]

01:13:20   tablet sort of that also is not a 3ds [TS]

01:13:24   and that also is not like an xbox and [TS]

01:13:26   ps4 and I think the answer there is [TS]

01:13:29   maybe because that the tablet tablet [TS]

01:13:32   gaming has basically shown that a whole [TS]

01:13:34   lot of people want something [TS]

01:13:36   approximately that size to play games on [TS]

01:13:38   either for themselves or their kids and [TS]

01:13:40   actual like computing tablets of what we [TS]

01:13:43   think of today basically iPads and [TS]

01:13:45   occasionally cheap amazon android [TS]

01:13:47   tablets that somehow cost less than a [TS]

01:13:49   cable from Apple they used to be really [TS]

01:13:51   good for gaming [TS]

01:13:52   well the Amazon was kind of neverwhere [TS]

01:13:53   but the apple ones used to be good for [TS]

01:13:55   gaming until appstore economics kind of [TS]

01:13:58   ruined iOS games on a pretty grand scale [TS]

01:14:01   and it's to the point now where it is [TS]

01:14:04   very very hard to find games that i want [TS]

01:14:07   my kid to play on iOS that aren't full [TS]

01:14:09   of ads or in-app purchase garbage i'm [TS]

01:14:12   willing to pay but it doesn't matter [TS]

01:14:13   because it's not even an option anymore [TS]

01:14:14   so basically i can see a potential [TS]

01:14:20   market here where this is the system [TS]

01:14:23   that you buy either for yourself or for [TS]

01:14:25   your kids if you / they want a really [TS]

01:14:29   good portable gaming experience because [TS]

01:14:32   console games that's kind of like [TS]

01:14:34   desktop computers that's like--that's [TS]

01:14:35   the high end of the market you're gonna [TS]

01:14:37   have the the real enthusiasts going to [TS]

01:14:39   like the big TV kind of consoles that's [TS]

01:14:40   fine but i think almost everyone else [TS]

01:14:42   just wants a handheld thing and I think [TS]

01:14:44   tablets have proven that it you know it [TS]

01:14:45   3d obviously you know the as far as [TS]

01:14:48   another great success that line has had [TS]

01:14:50   also helps to prove this but basically [TS]

01:14:53   people want like you know handheld [TS]

01:14:55   gaming now for the most part most people [TS]

01:14:57   want that but it's really hard to get [TS]

01:15:00   good quality games on the on the app [TS]

01:15:04   store around on a play store and [TS]

01:15:05   whatever amazon's garbage store is named [TS]

01:15:07   and so the way console market ourselves [TS]

01:15:11   like the way intended would be set up [TS]

01:15:13   for this you could actually have good [TS]

01:15:15   games because you can actually charge [TS]

01:15:17   like 40 50 bucks for them and it [TS]

01:15:20   wouldn't be a market where when you [TS]

01:15:22   release a game two weeks later a billion [TS]

01:15:25   people have cloned your game and it's [TS]

01:15:27   all and still enjoy yourselves for free [TS]

01:15:28   because it doesn't even have console [TS]

01:15:30   licensing was like people can't even do [TS]

01:15:31   things that quickly and you can't get to [TS]

01:15:33   market that quickly and like so the way [TS]

01:15:35   consoles are setup is more amiable i [TS]

01:15:40   guess or more facilitating of higher [TS]

01:15:42   quality games and they don't have to [TS]

01:15:44   rely on like gambling mechanics they [TS]

01:15:46   don't have to rely on tricks in [TS]

01:15:47   psychology to get you to pay for an app [TS]

01:15:49   purchases over and over again like it [TS]

01:15:51   isn't that kind of game it's a much [TS]

01:15:54   higher quality expect experience and so [TS]

01:15:56   if people want good games in handheld [TS]

01:16:01   systems nintendo i think has a pretty [TS]

01:16:03   good shot with this and ultimately i [TS]

01:16:06   think people do want that and i think [TS]

01:16:07   the tablet world and the mobile world [TS]

01:16:10   are have largely failed that in recent [TS]

01:16:12   years as the economics have gotten so [TS]

01:16:15   brutal that everyone is forced to make [TS]

01:16:17   really crappy games for the most part i [TS]

01:16:19   don't i don't really see how this could [TS]

01:16:21   ever really work and the reason is is [TS]

01:16:24   that I so we talked a lot if not the [TS]

01:16:28   three of us than our industry talks a [TS]

01:16:29   lot about how the pc as we think of it [TS]

01:16:33   is going away not just a windows machine [TS]

01:16:34   you know anything any sort of computer [TS]

01:16:36   that sits on a desktop is going away the [TS]

01:16:39   three of us don't want that to happen [TS]

01:16:40   and it probably won't ever truly happen [TS]

01:16:43   but for an average consumer the desktop [TS]

01:16:47   is going away in even a laptop mean [TS]

01:16:49   aaron has a macbook air that yes has had [TS]

01:16:51   water spilled on it but he's running [TS]

01:16:52   right now and she barely uses it [TS]

01:16:55   compared to her phone and that's just [TS]

01:16:57   one data point but i think that's one of [TS]

01:16:59   many that are similar and if we treat [TS]

01:17:01   the continent that traditional consoles [TS]

01:17:04   of like the Playstations and the xboxes [TS]

01:17:06   of the world as you know that that the [TS]

01:17:07   pcs or perhaps even like the pc the pc [TS]

01:17:10   of gaming you know like you mention [TS]

01:17:12   markets at the same thing all the [TS]

01:17:13   high-end of gaming's consoles on the pc [TS]

01:17:15   gamers rolling their eyes when they [TS]

01:17:17   continue [TS]

01:17:17   that's a fair point that's very well [TS]

01:17:19   yeah after I pc LOL that no I might need [TS]

01:17:23   to go there but let let's just take that [TS]

01:17:26   as an aside it because it's going to [TS]

01:17:28   ruin my whole point here the point of [TS]

01:17:30   driving it is you know that the super [TS]

01:17:33   hardcore will perhaps have a pc game [TS]

01:17:34   that the reasonably hardcore will have [TS]

01:17:37   like an Xbox or Playstation everyone [TS]

01:17:39   else will probably have their phones and [TS]

01:17:41   their tablets probably their phones [TS]

01:17:43   I don't feel like I [TS]

01:17:45   understand that yes this is unique and [TS]

01:17:47   it's a different spot than either a [TS]

01:17:49   phone or a pc or a traditional console [TS]

01:17:53   but there's no freaking way that this is [TS]

01:17:56   going to work i mean how well as the [TS]

01:17:57   surface book really working [TS]

01:17:58   I don't think it's working that well I [TS]

01:18:00   feel like this which is like the surface [TS]

01:18:01   book or that the surface in general of [TS]

01:18:04   the video gaming industry and and i will [TS]

01:18:07   give you guys a chance refute that but [TS]

01:18:08   another thing I wanted to ask practice [TS]

01:18:10   John more than anyone or maybe Marco [TS]

01:18:12   since this used to be your bag [TS]

01:18:13   what how do we feel Sega has done since [TS]

01:18:16   they abandoned hardware in his indoor [TS]

01:18:18   now doing almost always the cautionary [TS]

01:18:20   tale that everyone says no nintendo [TS]

01:18:22   don't do that because just look at sega [TS]

01:18:24   but I don't you know say you did not [TS]

01:18:26   have the kind of IP and talent that [TS]

01:18:28   nintendo has saying I had one good [TS]

01:18:31   successful system that was well-timed [TS]

01:18:34   and while playing the market it was the [TS]

01:18:36   genesis yeah every other sago hardware [TS]

01:18:38   release had some kind of massive law [TS]

01:18:41   whether it was bad market timing a weird [TS]

01:18:44   architecture too much complexity too [TS]

01:18:46   expensive like every literally every [TS]

01:18:49   other sega platform they all yes even [TS]

01:18:52   your beloved dreamcast dream has people [TS]

01:18:54   like that was bad market timing like it [TS]

01:18:55   was it was it everything that say every [TS]

01:18:58   piece of hardware so you never released [TS]

01:19:00   was about the time or said some other [TS]

01:19:02   major flaw that held back from [TS]

01:19:04   succeeding except the Genesis that was [TS]

01:19:06   the only time that ever worked so I [TS]

01:19:08   really consider I don't consider setting [TS]

01:19:10   a great example because they like it [TS]

01:19:14   it's almost like they just kind of [TS]

01:19:15   lucked out with the Genesis and that [TS]

01:19:17   kind of fuel than the rest of the way [TS]

01:19:18   but everything else that it was like ham [TS]

01:19:20   fisted and wrong [TS]

01:19:21   icic which one of these like if if you [TS]

01:19:24   ditch hardware [TS]

01:19:25   what makes you think you're not gonna [TS]

01:19:26   end up like the next sega great [TS]

01:19:28   regardless about their hardware was [TS]

01:19:30   eventually they stop making it because [TS]

01:19:32   like basically consolidation and they [TS]

01:19:33   were the weakest player and you know so [TS]

01:19:35   on and so forth when they became [TS]

01:19:36   software only because they can make your [TS]

01:19:38   games you know dreamcast had really good [TS]

01:19:39   games which is one of the reasons people [TS]

01:19:40   always say that it was a good counsel [TS]

01:19:42   even though it totally wasn't [TS]

01:19:43   controllers gross but that they've made [TS]

01:19:46   lots of good games and even you know for [TS]

01:19:48   super monkey ball even for Nintendo's [TS]

01:19:50   content like it's not like they they [TS]

01:19:52   lost the ability to make good software [TS]

01:19:53   is just that they they're pale shadow [TS]

01:19:57   what they want when they were one of the [TS]

01:19:58   platforms it was like you're in there [TS]

01:19:59   you're in the race your you know even if [TS]

01:20:01   you're in third place whatever you're [TS]

01:20:03   you're in the mix right and when you're [TS]

01:20:04   just a software maker you live and die [TS]

01:20:06   based on your software things and it [TS]

01:20:07   becomes more like hit driven business [TS]

01:20:08   and they just didn't have the solid sort [TS]

01:20:14   of it's like you know it's like the star [TS]

01:20:16   wars franchise like it would it takes [TS]

01:20:19   you know it would take a lot to me that [TS]

01:20:21   you can make three just hypothetically [TS]

01:20:22   three execrable movies and still the [TS]

01:20:25   star wars brand is very strong and is [TS]

01:20:27   worth a lot of money right [TS]

01:20:29   Sega and Nintendo has as Mario Zelda has [TS]

01:20:33   metro has so many franchises so many [TS]

01:20:35   franchises that have enough great games [TS]

01:20:36   and enough goodwill and enough [TS]

01:20:38   consistency in the games even those [TS]

01:20:40   think every once in a while like other [TS]

01:20:41   and metroid which really was no source [TS]

01:20:44   to was a teenager anyway so many [TS]

01:20:47   franchises to lean on that if they just [TS]

01:20:50   cranked on those as a software-only [TS]

01:20:52   vendor they could last for a long time [TS]

01:20:55   just making the next good 3d marry again [TS]

01:20:57   the next cell the game the next metroid [TS]

01:21:00   game the next pokemon game the next [TS]

01:21:02   smash brothers game like they have just [TS]

01:21:04   so much intellectual property where sega [TS]

01:21:05   well they try to make them and Sonic [TS]

01:21:08   game for a long long time and just their [TS]

01:21:09   average went way down and there are [TS]

01:21:12   other things you know you got making [TS]

01:21:13   garbage that wasn't really second i know [TS]

01:21:15   you got to get Shenmue you got you know [TS]

01:21:17   all the the virtuous here you are you [TS]

01:21:19   all they have lots of franchises do but [TS]

01:21:21   none of the mathletes sonic spinball [TS]

01:21:23   John sonic spinball well they may [TS]

01:21:25   metroid pinball to you know so there's [TS]

01:21:27   you know there's a lot of free anyway I [TS]

01:21:29   feel like Nintendo has a stronger stable [TS]

01:21:31   and they have more consistency making [TS]

01:21:33   those games now giving up hardware is a [TS]

01:21:35   big deal because that means you're never [TS]

01:21:37   going to have the ability to do a [TS]

01:21:40   hardware software synergy on the level [TS]

01:21:42   of the wii or and we sports or nintendo [TS]

01:21:46   64 and Mary 64 like all those things [TS]

01:21:48   that you can do or i would argue the [TS]

01:21:51   awesome gamecube controller and all the [TS]

01:21:52   games that they work with that like yeah [TS]

01:21:54   you know you won't be able to do that if [TS]

01:21:55   you're not a hardware maker so it's a [TS]

01:21:57   big sacrifice but I think intend the [TS]

01:21:58   reason intended won't be another sega is [TS]

01:22:01   they're better at making games and they [TS]

01:22:04   have more bankable properties that even [TS]

01:22:06   if they mess up a few of them the [TS]

01:22:07   property in the same way that star wars [TS]

01:22:09   is still bankable a bunch of stinking [TS]

01:22:11   Mary ok [TS]

01:22:12   games are not going to make it so that [TS]

01:22:15   you know that a nintendo loses the [TS]

01:22:16   ability to make that and be they're not [TS]

01:22:18   gonna sell so poorly that people will [TS]

01:22:19   stop by Mary games because there have [TS]

01:22:21   been sticker Mary games like are ones [TS]

01:22:24   that people like less than 11 same thing [TS]

01:22:25   with metro and all the other franchises [TS]

01:22:27   and arguably even Zelda not stinker but [TS]

01:22:29   like less less beloved let's say and yet [TS]

01:22:32   still people clamor for the next one [TS]

01:22:33   because the average is high enough [TS]

01:22:35   yeah now that the thing that Marcos [TS]

01:22:37   going with the switch in the app store [TS]

01:22:38   was thinking when you're talking about [TS]

01:22:40   that is that console games are more [TS]

01:22:44   apple like in the old and been in all [TS]

01:22:47   senses the world then the app store [TS]

01:22:48   because the app store like you said is [TS]

01:22:50   filled with crap and junk and scams and [TS]

01:22:52   figure lockdown in 40 bucks and thank [TS]

01:22:55   you and things that are you know things [TS]

01:22:57   that are not like this they're not nice [TS]

01:22:59   like normally the whole thing was apples [TS]

01:23:01   like you pay more money for a nicer [TS]

01:23:02   experience and the app store is the [TS]

01:23:04   opposite of that you pay less money for [TS]

01:23:05   worse experience on consoles games are [TS]

01:23:08   like you pay more money [TS]

01:23:09   sixty bucks for a nicer experience it's [TS]

01:23:11   not vested with ads and in-app purchases [TS]

01:23:13   and you know I mean that's creeping into [TS]

01:23:15   the console world with downloadable [TS]

01:23:17   content as they call it and micro [TS]

01:23:19   transactions and stuff like that but in [TS]

01:23:20   general if you have to compare them [TS]

01:23:22   which one of these is more like the [TS]

01:23:23   Apple experience it's the one where you [TS]

01:23:25   pay more for you said the proprietary [TS]

01:23:27   that you know thing but that you get a [TS]

01:23:30   nicer experience but the switch is the [TS]

01:23:32   problem the switch has in terms of [TS]

01:23:34   trying to tread that middle ground [TS]

01:23:37   first of all you know this is totally [TS]

01:23:39   not finished hardware switch is almost [TS]

01:23:42   certain to be the atari lynx affordable [TS]

01:23:43   gaming systems into that battery cannot [TS]

01:23:45   last a long time as compared to with [TS]

01:23:48   3des because come on that's a big screen [TS]

01:23:50   is way more powerful power-hungry [TS]

01:23:52   processor in there [TS]

01:23:54   this thing is not going to last as long [TS]

01:23:55   as a I mean I don't know how long the [TS]

01:23:57   3ds last but like there it looks like [TS]

01:23:59   it's basically like a souped-up tablet [TS]

01:24:01   right so if you look at like what can a [TS]

01:24:03   what can an ipad get if especially if [TS]

01:24:06   you made a little bit thicker it is [TS]

01:24:08   thicker but it's playing games [TS]

01:24:10   constantly yeah but I i think that it [TS]

01:24:14   wouldn't surprise me a battery life was [TS]

01:24:15   better than you expect [TS]

01:24:17   well anyway it's got a better life from [TS]

01:24:18   butBut the more serious thing is the [TS]

01:24:21   switch is like if you're looking for [TS]

01:24:23   something in between the two [TS]

01:24:25   this is not the problem the switches the [TS]

01:24:27   advantage of this which people like me [TS]

01:24:29   the games that are available in the [TS]

01:24:30   switch are for the most part going to be [TS]

01:24:34   full-fledged console games the only [TS]

01:24:37   difference being is that you can't do [TS]

01:24:38   anything that couldn't be running last [TS]

01:24:39   generation harbor so that they keep [TS]

01:24:41   showing Zelda on the switch zelda is not [TS]

01:24:44   a casual gamer game it is a big [TS]

01:24:47   sprawling complicated game that probably [TS]

01:24:49   it would help if you have played other [TS]

01:24:51   zelda games in the past the people who [TS]

01:24:52   are waiting for the game the millions of [TS]

01:24:54   people are going to pay for it know what [TS]

01:24:56   they're getting and what they're getting [TS]

01:24:57   is more complicated than almost any iOS [TS]

01:24:59   game ever been made and how there is a [TS]

01:25:00   little closer iOS but in general tablet [TS]

01:25:03   games do not have the wherewithal or [TS]

01:25:05   budgets or inclination to be that [TS]

01:25:09   complicated if only because you can't [TS]

01:25:11   sell them for 60 bucks right almost [TS]

01:25:13   every game on the switch even be simpler [TS]

01:25:15   ones are more complicated because they [TS]

01:25:18   can be like they're more like console [TS]

01:25:20   games that they are like phone or tablet [TS]

01:25:22   games you've got this thing that looks [TS]

01:25:24   like you're saying oh this is this is a [TS]

01:25:26   better version of tablet gaming but i [TS]

01:25:28   think they will be very few games that [TS]

01:25:30   are like you're not going to see cut the [TS]

01:25:32   rope for the switch for 60 bucks maybe [TS]

01:25:35   you'll see cut the rope for the switch [TS]

01:25:37   like literally cut the rope for the [TS]

01:25:38   switch from their little downloadable [TS]

01:25:40   store which by the way intended was [TS]

01:25:41   terrible at selling things [TS]

01:25:42   electronically through the downloadable [TS]

01:25:44   stores maybe you'll see that but i don't [TS]

01:25:47   think that that type of thing is going [TS]

01:25:49   to support this this thing is going to [TS]

01:25:52   play essentially console games and one [TS]

01:25:54   of its selling points hey quote-unquote [TS]

01:25:57   full-fledged console games on the go and [TS]

01:25:59   that is totally aimed at the market of [TS]

01:26:02   people who might buy a console but you [TS]

01:26:06   know this will be cheaper than them [TS]

01:26:07   right and you know but are are intrigued [TS]

01:26:09   by this and I don't think it's going to [TS]

01:26:11   pull people from the tablet and phone [TS]

01:26:12   game well because they just want dessert [TS]

01:26:14   golfing or cut the rope or angry birds [TS]

01:26:16   or something that is way simpler or [TS]

01:26:18   flappy bird for Cronulla something is [TS]

01:26:20   way simpler then like if someone gets [TS]

01:26:22   intense which things like you know the [TS]

01:26:25   thing that and they see like Zelda [TS]

01:26:26   advertising I get zelda they're going to [TS]

01:26:27   be in so far over their head they're [TS]

01:26:29   gonna be like whoa whoa whoa i just i [TS]

01:26:32   don't understand even how to make [TS]

01:26:34   forward progress in this game and how [TS]

01:26:35   it's just that is too much fun that is [TS]

01:26:38   because that is going to be that that's [TS]

01:26:40   the experience which is providing and [TS]

01:26:42   that's its appeal to all the customers [TS]

01:26:44   so I still think they're they're [TS]

01:26:45   shopping amongst the people who been [TS]

01:26:47   maybe already have an xbox and maybe you [TS]

01:26:49   already have a playstation 4 but you're [TS]

01:26:51   looking for a second console nintendo [TS]

01:26:53   nintendo has been staking out the second [TS]

01:26:55   console market for three generations now [TS]

01:26:57   okay you got your real console but would [TS]

01:26:59   you like something fun and quirky and [TS]

01:27:00   has the ability to play the first party [TS]

01:27:02   properties that you come to know and [TS]

01:27:03   love and in general [TS]

01:27:04   America is just as fun as you imagined [TS]

01:27:06   it has always been and if you're into [TS]

01:27:08   cells that we have one of those two and [TS]

01:27:09   mario games are are you know the the [TS]

01:27:11   plano Mary platformers are fun like [TS]

01:27:13   that's what they think they're staking [TS]

01:27:15   out with this and the new appeal is [TS]

01:27:16   you've got one console but you can't [TS]

01:27:18   pick that one up and bring it with you [TS]

01:27:19   so if your console gamer by this one and [TS]

01:27:21   I you can play console games on the go [TS]

01:27:23   and by the way to get a bunch of unique [TS]

01:27:24   properties have a hard time seeing them [TS]

01:27:26   pulling people from the app store even [TS]

01:27:28   though as Marco said the experience is [TS]

01:27:31   so much better than the appstore games [TS]

01:27:33   was just filled with scams and traps [TS]

01:27:34   in-app purchases and everything I don't [TS]

01:27:36   see this is going to change in tendo's [TS]

01:27:38   fate and he's wasted perform and and I [TS]

01:27:40   mean the most of the playstation vita [TS]

01:27:42   whatever that portable one was that I've [TS]

01:27:44   seen like three of them in my life they [TS]

01:27:46   made like a phone I if memory serves [TS]

01:27:48   that have like a quasi playstation [TS]

01:27:50   branding that that played like these [TS]

01:27:52   video games i just i don't know like I [TS]

01:27:55   admire it I definitely think it's clever [TS]

01:27:57   and I think it's very nintendo and I [TS]

01:27:58   admire it but I don't see how this is [TS]

01:28:02   going to be a blockbuster because it [TS]

01:28:04   serves a non-existent market it's not [TS]

01:28:07   going to serve the hardcore gamers it's [TS]

01:28:09   not going to serve the people who have a [TS]

01:28:11   pretty darn fine video gaming platform [TS]

01:28:14   in their pocket today [TS]

01:28:16   yeah the idea don't think it's that iOS [TS]

01:28:19   device is that like the games are the [TS]

01:28:20   games are creditor and filled with [TS]

01:28:22   in-app purchases and they're not as [TS]

01:28:23   sophisticated like that one of the [TS]

01:28:25   things you can do with this type of [TS]

01:28:26   thing that bring people over who liked [TS]

01:28:29   save someone who grew up playing phone [TS]

01:28:30   games and never really considered [TS]

01:28:31   themselves a gamer but by this thing on [TS]

01:28:34   a locker because it's popular has some [TS]

01:28:36   traction in the market and finds that [TS]

01:28:38   they had never been presented with the [TS]

01:28:41   more sophisticated game like Zelda or [TS]

01:28:43   full-fledged Mario and it turns out they [TS]

01:28:45   actually kinda like the type of game [TS]

01:28:46   this is a smooth slope into it because [TS]

01:28:48   it will be cheaper than a playstation 4 [TS]

01:28:49   and xbox one especially the pro [TS]

01:28:51   versions right and it does have a [TS]

01:28:53   novelty factor and they can carry it [TS]

01:28:54   around with them and everything so [TS]

01:28:55   there's some hope that you can get new [TS]

01:28:57   people on board with this like that [TS]

01:29:00   being up being are being a second [TS]

01:29:02   console you've got one of the other [TS]

01:29:04   consoles this one is cheaper and [TS]

01:29:06   interesting in a way that those aren't [TS]

01:29:08   and you kind of like Nintendo games [TS]

01:29:09   anyway because you remember playing them [TS]

01:29:10   on your SNES or whatever the hell and [TS]

01:29:13   you just decided to get it like you [TS]

01:29:15   mentioned it's not genuine Tendo state [TS]

01:29:17   well through the wii u and this thing [TS]

01:29:20   intendo has ups and downs we is up and [TS]

01:29:24   we do we use down but it's not going out [TS]

01:29:26   of business they have a lot of money [TS]

01:29:27   they've been on the upswing since even [TS]

01:29:30   mentioning that they're going to feel [TS]

01:29:31   some of their properties on iOS because [TS]

01:29:33   people assume they're gonna sell a [TS]

01:29:34   million copies and they probably well [TS]

01:29:35   just based on the strength of the IP but [TS]

01:29:39   the strength of that IP the reason [TS]

01:29:41   they're gonna sell a million copies of [TS]

01:29:42   Mary run or whatever that's called for [TS]

01:29:44   iOS is because people love and [TS]

01:29:47   recognized Mario right and people love [TS]

01:29:49   recognize Mario pc was a star of a [TS]

01:29:51   long-running series of games all which [TS]

01:29:53   were really really good and fun and that [TS]

01:29:56   means they need to sustain that you have [TS]

01:29:59   to continue to make really really good [TS]

01:30:01   fun things with those properties [TS]

01:30:02   otherwise they stop being valuable and [TS]

01:30:04   the switch is the continuation of that [TS]

01:30:06   doesn't mean that it's going to reverse [TS]

01:30:07   Nintendo's fortunes like what if they [TS]

01:30:09   just continue along the same as they [TS]

01:30:11   have been for the entire life of the wii [TS]

01:30:12   u there's been upstairs been downs [TS]

01:30:14   profits been up profits been down the [TS]

01:30:17   company's not going out of business but [TS]

01:30:18   it's also not growing like gangbusters [TS]

01:30:19   is that the end of the world it is that [TS]

01:30:21   enough to sustain the company it is [TS]

01:30:23   probably because the ups and downs even [TS]

01:30:25   out over the long haul and you continued [TS]

01:30:28   being a nintendo that you are it's just [TS]

01:30:29   that nobody likes that no one wants to [TS]

01:30:31   see Nintendo limp along its subsistence [TS]

01:30:35   levels they want to see it occasionally [TS]

01:30:38   be more successful than that they want [TS]

01:30:39   to see where is the next week coming [TS]

01:30:41   from where is the next platform or game [TS]

01:30:44   that you know and and arguably pokemon [TS]

01:30:46   go was a glimpse of them climbing back [TS]

01:30:48   up but i don't think the switch is going [TS]

01:30:50   to be a similar type of hit I mean maybe [TS]

01:30:52   I'm wrong we'll see but if it just [TS]

01:30:54   merely sustains them like case it's like [TS]

01:30:56   I don't see that this the intense which [TS]

01:30:58   changing their fortunes if the fortunes [TS]

01:31:00   remained the same then they're basically [TS]

01:31:02   still ok and we get to speed up we will [TS]

01:31:04   hit the [TS]

01:31:05   it out generation placing really fun [TS]

01:31:06   games and see if they have a different [TS]

01:31:08   idea the next time and that's one of the [TS]

01:31:10   great things about Nintendo people are [TS]

01:31:12   excited about the playstation five and [TS]

01:31:13   Xbox whatever the hell they're go stupid [TS]

01:31:16   name they're gonna give to it that's [TS]

01:31:17   going to be the generation after this [TS]

01:31:18   assuming they don't continue to just [TS]

01:31:20   read this generation backward compatible [TS]

01:31:22   more powerful upgrades but within Tendo [TS]

01:31:25   you never know what the hell pocket like [TS]

01:31:27   they are there more of a wild-card the [TS]

01:31:29   wii and the wii u and the switch our way [TS]

01:31:32   weirder than the xbox xbox 360 xbox one [TS]

01:31:35   ps4 ps3 ps4 both name and and inform and [TS]

01:31:39   the games that are available on it [TS]

01:31:41   nintendo is obviously the most [TS]

01:31:42   interesting player in this field and so [TS]

01:31:45   I would never want to see them go away [TS]

01:31:46   and if it what it takes is you know this [TS]

01:31:48   is another failed experiment but [TS]

01:31:52   nevertheless the company says afloat [TS]

01:31:53   based on you know a partnership with [TS]

01:31:55   universal studios and so on billion iOS [TS]

01:31:57   people a fairly creddie infinite runner [TS]

01:32:00   starring a your favorite plumber [TS]

01:32:02   I'm fine with that you know that's the [TS]

01:32:05   thing though you said that people [TS]

01:32:07   recognize Mary oh they don't recognize [TS]

01:32:10   Mario but not your ridiculous [TS]

01:32:12   pronunciation thereof upset show back up [TS]

01:32:15   this she's the only one [TS]

01:32:17   all right well here's to the crazy ones [TS]

01:32:19   intend oh and thanks for the responses [TS]

01:32:22   this week zero backblaze and mail route [TS]

01:32:24   and we'll see you next week [TS]

01:32:27   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:32:32   mean to be in [TS]

01:32:34   because it was accidental it was [TS]

01:32:37   accidental [TS]

01:32:38   Johnson any research Marco in kc [TS]

01:32:43   woodland hills [TS]

01:32:44   because it was accidentally was [TS]

01:32:47   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:32:51   know today TV and if your twitter follow [TS]

01:32:59   them [TS]

01:32:59   [Music] [TS]

01:33:01   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

01:33:05   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment rc2 recuse it [TS]

01:33:26   so breaking news [TS]

01:33:31   actually there's two pieces of breaking [TS]

01:33:33   news one apparently pebbles been bought [TS]

01:33:36   by fit which is interesting i guess i [TS]

01:33:41   bought / scraped off the sidewalk [TS]

01:33:42   yeah evidence but that's our dreams [TS]

01:33:45   acqui-hire like they even said in the [TS]

01:33:47   tweet that the pebble brand will not [TS]

01:33:49   continue so the Sun setting it [TS]

01:33:51   yeah I think it has long since fallen [TS]

01:33:54   off the earth and is well below the [TS]

01:33:56   horizon now [TS]

01:33:57   fair enough but other breaking news that [TS]

01:33:59   happened shortly before we started [TS]

01:34:01   recording so shortly before that I [TS]

01:34:03   didn't get a chance to take a look at it [TS]

01:34:06   Marco has started blogging now that's [TS]

01:34:10   not what I know they're not a blog I'm [TS]

01:34:12   kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding bags are [TS]

01:34:13   some bugs [TS]

01:34:14   oh my goodness but you did post [TS]

01:34:16   something to youtube I posted something [TS]

01:34:18   to youtube that's right my youtube [TS]

01:34:20   account has existed for something like [TS]

01:34:22   six years or something or longer even [TS]

01:34:24   and i've posted something like six [TS]

01:34:27   videos to it that none of which were [TS]

01:34:30   anything substantial really got more [TS]

01:34:33   videos and that my channel probably a [TS]

01:34:35   yeah so I i decided to do a video review [TS]

01:34:39   of the new macbook pro as kind of my [TS]

01:34:42   testing the waters of being a YouTube [TS]

01:34:45   person there are a number of reasons for [TS]

01:34:47   this YouTube is a massive place where [TS]

01:34:50   everyone lives [TS]

01:34:52   it is kind of unwise business to ignore [TS]

01:34:56   such a massive place i can say anything [TS]

01:34:59   about facebook and i don't have a [TS]

01:35:00   presence there either and i can say the [TS]

01:35:02   same thing about snapchat and I don't [TS]

01:35:03   have a presence there either but i think [TS]

01:35:05   i had to get into one of these things [TS]

01:35:07   like you can't ignore all of them keep [TS]

01:35:09   you have to be up to have a presence and [TS]

01:35:10   something if you don't have to you don't [TS]

01:35:13   you all just pick at least one and it [TS]

01:35:16   was easier for me to turn my office into [TS]

01:35:18   a video studio then to log into Facebook [TS]

01:35:21   or figure out what snapchat is so that's [TS]

01:35:23   the one I chose the reason so i decided [TS]

01:35:26   to start now in particular because i [TS]

01:35:29   wanted to review the new macbook pro and [TS]

01:35:32   i had had more thought you had briefly [TS]

01:35:35   about last week by I had more thoughts [TS]

01:35:37   about it then would [TS]

01:35:39   fit or make sense in this podcast and [TS]

01:35:42   it's kind of like there are certain [TS]

01:35:44   things that I wanted to actually show in [TS]

01:35:46   video or picture form there certainly [TS]

01:35:49   were things that I want to actually [TS]

01:35:50   write in advance so i wouldn't mess them [TS]

01:35:52   up and express myself properly and i [TS]

01:35:54   want to explain myself and there were [TS]

01:35:56   certain like it would have felt weird to [TS]

01:35:59   just monologue here for 15-20 minutes [TS]

01:36:03   like about even though i do that [TS]

01:36:04   sometimes accidentally but I try not to [TS]

01:36:06   do that here because that's not really [TS]

01:36:09   what a podcast is and that that's kind [TS]

01:36:10   of not really our format here so it [TS]

01:36:12   would kind of be weird if I was sitting [TS]

01:36:14   here just doing all the talking with [TS]

01:36:16   this big script i was reading for you [TS]

01:36:18   know 20 minutes about the macbook pro [TS]

01:36:19   basically i had some more things to say [TS]

01:36:22   about I wanted to see them somewhere [TS]

01:36:23   else ate it made sense to have some kind [TS]

01:36:25   of visual components of my choices were [TS]

01:36:27   either i could make a video or I could [TS]

01:36:29   make a blog post and I don't feel great [TS]

01:36:33   about the future of blog posts right now [TS]

01:36:35   and YouTube is the kind of thing that I [TS]

01:36:38   wanted to get into for quite some time [TS]

01:36:40   all so much of my success in in business [TS]

01:36:44   depends on a steady trickle in of new [TS]

01:36:47   audience growth and i feel like i have i [TS]

01:36:51   have done well with blogging in the past [TS]

01:36:54   but not really so much currently I've [TS]

01:36:56   done well with podcasting and done well [TS]

01:36:59   with like app things but I wasn't [TS]

01:37:02   expanding anywhere i wasn't getting new [TS]

01:37:05   people in from anywhere I really and a [TS]

01:37:07   lot of things I was doing like blogging [TS]

01:37:09   we're kinda like contracting and [TS]

01:37:10   podcasting is growing very very slowly [TS]

01:37:12   and they feel like it will help all of [TS]

01:37:15   my other things if I have someplace [TS]

01:37:18   where I can reach a new audience where i [TS]

01:37:21   can get new people in to the you know [TS]

01:37:25   Marco folio or whatever God please kill [TS]

01:37:28   me you're going to hurry up and get [TS]

01:37:29   million subscribers so we can release [TS]

01:37:31   our podcast on youtube with the bunch of [TS]

01:37:33   stupid images in front of it and get [TS]

01:37:34   millions of views so hurry up and build [TS]

01:37:36   that channel i have i have thought about [TS]

01:37:38   ways to do that actually I but it's [TS]

01:37:40   probably gonna have anytime soon but i [TS]

01:37:42   have actually thought about like doing [TS]

01:37:44   ATP youtube channel because it's not and [TS]

01:37:46   it's some work but it's not like a [TS]

01:37:47   massive amount of work [TS]

01:37:49   and we know that but it's pointless work [TS]

01:37:51   until you develop your YouTube audience [TS]

01:37:52   of a million people so get on that yeah [TS]

01:37:54   so basically I i wanted to have some [TS]

01:37:59   participation in this massive thing that [TS]

01:38:04   I'd I know very little about so far like [TS]

01:38:06   I feel like because of the businesses [TS]

01:38:09   i'm in its almost irresponsible not to [TS]

01:38:11   know about it you know and and it is you [TS]

01:38:14   again like I your facebook ignore a lot [TS]

01:38:16   of things that I shouldn't ignore you [TS]

01:38:18   should ignore facebook [TS]

01:38:19   oh yeah probably and I also i think also [TS]

01:38:22   liked this also builds on skills i [TS]

01:38:24   already have I already had almost [TS]

01:38:27   everything almost all the equipment [TS]

01:38:28   required to make videos i bought a [TS]

01:38:30   little bit but you don't have you would [TS]

01:38:32   love to buy exactly true got a couple [TS]

01:38:34   like LED lights for like 40 bucks and [TS]

01:38:37   like just a little battery powered ones [TS]

01:38:38   like so i got like these two lights and [TS]

01:38:40   then that was basically all i needed [TS]

01:38:42   like already had everything else and you [TS]

01:38:45   already know some things about shooting [TS]

01:38:48   video not much but I know some things [TS]

01:38:49   about it i know a decent amount more a [TS]

01:38:52   photography and a lot of overlap and [TS]

01:38:53   know about sound recording and that's [TS]

01:38:55   part of video and so like I already had [TS]

01:38:57   a lot of the skills and toolset [TS]

01:38:59   necessary and and kind of get the [TS]

01:39:01   vocabulary necessary to to do this [TS]

01:39:04   it was way easier to do this then it [TS]

01:39:06   would have been to figure out facebook [TS]

01:39:07   or and/or to spend any time on there and [TS]

01:39:10   just want to escape but anyway I really [TS]

01:39:14   like facebook so i decided to do this [TS]

01:39:18   and I think you know I don't know how [TS]

01:39:20   much I'm going to do it but I think if [TS]

01:39:24   I'm going to invest my time creating [TS]

01:39:26   reviews of products i think YouTube is [TS]

01:39:31   the better place for that now that my [TS]

01:39:32   blog it's not necessarily less work is [TS]

01:39:36   actually somewhat similar youtube I [TS]

01:39:39   actually you know it's less in certain [TS]

01:39:40   ways like you can you can kind of rift [TS]

01:39:42   somewhat on the on the script part of it [TS]

01:39:45   and so you can save some time of the [TS]

01:39:47   writing not a lot but some and shooting [TS]

01:39:50   video you can kind of show a few quick [TS]

01:39:51   things like what the product in your [TS]

01:39:52   hand that's faster than shooting a whole [TS]

01:39:55   bunch of different like perfect photos [TS]

01:39:56   and editing the photos afterward to be [TS]

01:39:57   perfect and getting all the dust specks [TS]

01:39:59   off the obvious and everything like [TS]

01:40:00   there are some things that are faster [TS]

01:40:02   than the doable [TS]

01:40:02   those overalls gonna be a similar work [TS]

01:40:04   though I think and they might even be [TS]

01:40:07   taking longer who knows but ultimately i [TS]

01:40:08   think it is it is the best move for my [TS]

01:40:11   career right now to expand into youtube [TS]

01:40:15   and also for the type for the format of [TS]

01:40:17   things i do I realize like I don't even [TS]

01:40:20   read people's along blog articles [TS]

01:40:22   anymore about almost anything if I'm [TS]

01:40:25   looking if I'm looking for product [TS]

01:40:26   reviews i hardly ever read along for [TS]

01:40:28   review i almost always just look for [TS]

01:40:29   look at youtube for a video quickly [TS]

01:40:31   review if if there's if there's a big [TS]

01:40:33   review for like some new product like on [TS]

01:40:35   the verge of something i will end as a [TS]

01:40:37   video at the top i will almost always [TS]

01:40:38   just watch the video and like maybe skip [TS]

01:40:40   the article at best friends of the topic [TS]

01:40:42   bail because you still read a big giant [TS]

01:40:43   thing I'm dpreview about the new camera [TS]

01:40:45   right [TS]

01:40:46   yes but i buy a new camera like every [TS]

01:40:49   eight years so that's sent understand it [TS]

01:40:51   really depends on the topic if you only [TS]

01:40:53   have a casual interest you want the [TS]

01:40:54   video but if you really want to know if [TS]

01:40:56   you're if you want to find out if the 5d [TS]

01:40:58   mark for like is it worth buying [TS]

01:41:00   you're going to read the whole dpreview [TS]

01:41:02   thing and seven other giant reviews [TS]

01:41:03   about it to try not his this you know is [TS]

01:41:05   it worth buying in a way that the mark 3 [TS]

01:41:07   wasn't or whatever [TS]

01:41:08   yeah so anyway for the most part though [TS]

01:41:11   i think i and i think the numbers prove [TS]

01:41:14   many other people choose to get a lot of [TS]

01:41:16   information now in video rather than [TS]

01:41:18   reading blog posts and there's lots of [TS]

01:41:20   things about this the better i that [TS]

01:41:21   obvious downsides to me you know [TS]

01:41:23   videos are less capable they are locked [TS]

01:41:26   this proprietary platform for the most [TS]

01:41:28   part I mean yes you can put a video [TS]

01:41:30   wherever you want but nobody will see if [TS]

01:41:32   it is on youtube or facebook but anyway [TS]

01:41:35   I'm sure if I good on facebook or just [TS]

01:41:38   reboot my videos so it won't even matter [TS]

01:41:40   all I will automatically be on facebook [TS]

01:41:42   at you know again I don't I don't have [TS]

01:41:45   like incredibly concrete plans yet i'm [TS]

01:41:48   going to basically feel around do some [TS]

01:41:50   experimentation see what I want to be [TS]

01:41:51   doing here [TS]

01:41:52   so far it's gone surprisingly well this [TS]

01:41:55   video took a few days worth of [TS]

01:41:57   notetaking about what I wanted to say a [TS]

01:42:00   day of figuring out the handful of [TS]

01:42:03   things i had to buy to make this happen [TS]

01:42:04   well and then I shot edited and posted [TS]

01:42:09   that video entirely today so AI feel [TS]

01:42:13   like if i get good enough [TS]

01:42:15   it is certainly possible obviously [TS]

01:42:16   everyone who's ever produced video knows [TS]

01:42:18   it is very possible for video production [TS]

01:42:20   to basically eat any amount of time and [TS]

01:42:22   money that is given it you can go [TS]

01:42:25   completely off the deep end and have [TS]

01:42:27   incredible production values and people [TS]

01:42:30   do and that's great i know that as as a [TS]

01:42:33   mostly one person team here i'm not [TS]

01:42:36   going to have the time or resources or [TS]

01:42:38   patience to do that that's the second [TS]

01:42:41   that tends to require a lot more people [TS]

01:42:42   in time than what I can give to this [TS]

01:42:44   project so instead [TS]

01:42:46   my goal is going to basically try to be [TS]

01:42:47   like finding the right balance of like [TS]

01:42:50   what I should do and what I don't really [TS]

01:42:52   have to do to make decent videos about [TS]

01:42:55   certain things sometimes the people will [TS]

01:42:56   enjoy and I don't even care that much [TS]

01:42:59   about money about the videos yet into [TS]

01:43:01   more about audience building and I don't [TS]

01:43:03   really intend probably ever to run [TS]

01:43:06   YouTube's terrible ads you know i might [TS]

01:43:09   eventually do like at the end with a [TS]

01:43:11   sponsored by however i do that do [TS]

01:43:13   something that eventually but in the [TS]

01:43:14   early stages at least my primary goal [TS]

01:43:16   here is reaching new people and so we'll [TS]

01:43:19   see how that goes all about your brand [TS]

01:43:22   can I tell you everything you did wrong [TS]

01:43:23   now yeah please do i do a lot sit and [TS]

01:43:26   look at some of the things I did wrong i [TS]

01:43:28   know i did wrong but it was like well I [TS]

01:43:31   can fix this but require entire reshoot [TS]

01:43:33   this whole segment which require [TS]

01:43:34   resetting up all this stuff it's like I [TS]

01:43:36   just wanna get this done because again [TS]

01:43:38   like I don't want this to be something [TS]

01:43:40   that blows a huge hole in my schedule [TS]

01:43:43   every time I want to send my macbook pro [TS]

01:43:44   before you go through the list of [TS]

01:43:47   grievances do you want to Marco quickly [TS]

01:43:50   run through the equipment both hardware [TS]

01:43:52   and software that you use to do this [TS]

01:43:53   because you know you're going to get [TS]

01:43:54   asked you might as well just quickly [TS]

01:43:56   listed if you can [TS]

01:43:57   ok sure the camera music doesn't matter [TS]

01:43:59   and software music is final cut pro x [TS]

01:44:01   barely matters and i was using some [TS]

01:44:04   cheapo a newer newer newer however that [TS]

01:44:07   brings pronounced using their cheapo LED [TS]

01:44:09   light boxes and yeah it's fine it's fine [TS]

01:44:14   what and what Mike for the my I'm that [TS]

01:44:18   my stand-up is in flux I i used the road [TS]

01:44:21   wireless lavalier mic that it's one of [TS]

01:44:24   the pair that i that i bought 24 nice [TS]

01:44:26   not going to starbucks to top four [TS]

01:44:28   because they're discreet that it was [TS]

01:44:31   it's not that I didn't sound very good [TS]

01:44:33   I did try i I have a little sennheiser [TS]

01:44:36   shotgun mic that I tried mountain top of [TS]

01:44:38   the camera and using that instead but [TS]

01:44:40   with microphones generally being close [TS]

01:44:44   to your mouth is way way more important [TS]

01:44:47   than having like a really good [TS]

01:44:49   microphone that's five feet away [TS]

01:44:51   you know i get if you can get any [TS]

01:44:53   microphone up to your mouth that is [TS]

01:44:54   generally better idea then our than a [TS]

01:44:57   better mic that's far and so the the [TS]

01:45:01   nicer shotgun mic matter on the camera [TS]

01:45:03   still sounded like garbage and the [TS]

01:45:06   lavalier sentence substantially better I [TS]

01:45:09   it didn't sound good but i think it [TS]

01:45:11   might sound good enough [TS]

01:45:14   so yeah we'll see in the future I [TS]

01:45:17   definitely intend to do a little bit [TS]

01:45:19   more of the b-roll shots i had very [TS]

01:45:21   little be rolled because actually I had [TS]

01:45:24   a bit of a hardware failure on the [TS]

01:45:25   macbook it halfway through my b-roll [TS]

01:45:28   shooting which I had to have a look at [TS]

01:45:30   that tomorrow but yeah so there's lots [TS]

01:45:33   of things I would do differently it but [TS]

01:45:34   I you didn't want to spend the time to [TS]

01:45:36   like have a whole other day or half day [TS]

01:45:38   of reshoots and and different things so [TS]

01:45:42   John listen I'll list all the problems [TS]

01:45:44   alright so i keep in mind that i have [TS]

01:45:47   made 0 youtube videos of this kind of [TS]

01:45:50   all my youtube videos or destiny videos [TS]

01:45:52   which are awesome but not the same thing [TS]

01:45:54   so this is coming entirely from a [TS]

01:45:56   position of someone who doesn't actually [TS]

01:45:58   know what it takes to make one of these [TS]

01:45:59   things but i have watched a fair number [TS]

01:46:01   of these videos and just based on [TS]

01:46:03   watching them [TS]

01:46:04   this is my advice and you should totally [TS]

01:46:05   talk to all your YouTube her friends to [TS]

01:46:07   get the real advice but this is the [TS]

01:46:09   casual stuff already mentioned if you're [TS]

01:46:12   going to do a video review of this kind [TS]

01:46:14   you need to do the things you can only [TS]

01:46:17   do in a video review which is pretty [TS]

01:46:19   much every time you're talking about [TS]

01:46:21   anything [TS]

01:46:22   show it to me every single time not that [TS]

01:46:24   I don't want to look at your face but [TS]

01:46:26   and by the way that the other thing [TS]

01:46:27   you've done wrong be much younger and [TS]

01:46:28   much more attractive can you work on [TS]

01:46:30   that can't there's nothing to do about [TS]

01:46:32   unfortunately but seriously that is like [TS]

01:46:34   a big big factor so there's any way you [TS]

01:46:37   could aged backwards and become more [TS]

01:46:38   attractive that [TS]

01:46:39   awesome anyway a show like now that I [TS]

01:46:43   don't want to see you talking but if [TS]

01:46:44   you're talking about anything you have [TS]

01:46:46   to show like that's what you can do in [TS]

01:46:48   video if you watch another video like [TS]

01:46:50   watching a mkbhd or any other thing [TS]

01:46:52   ninety percent of the time you're [TS]

01:46:54   hearing the person's voice but not [TS]

01:46:56   seeing them speak because there would [TS]

01:46:58   your hearing them talk while their hands [TS]

01:47:00   manipulate the thing while they zoom in [TS]

01:47:02   so it's a pain because you got all these [TS]

01:47:03   stupid setups and have all the different [TS]

01:47:05   angles and get the figure out a way to [TS]

01:47:06   get the camera on it and without [TS]

01:47:08   breaking your track bed and like and get [TS]

01:47:11   all the shots but that's what it is [TS]

01:47:13   that's what it's all about and also [TS]

01:47:15   lengthwise [TS]

01:47:17   I know you did some script in there but [TS]

01:47:19   like I think you could cut this thing in [TS]

01:47:20   half by saying what you wanted to say in [TS]

01:47:23   one concise way in like one or two [TS]

01:47:26   sentences without you it felt more like [TS]

01:47:28   a podcast where you were talking around [TS]

01:47:30   the thing because you know you're being [TS]

01:47:32   extemporaneous and just coming out like [TS]

01:47:33   condensed you could have got all that [TS]

01:47:35   same info out and half the amount of [TS]

01:47:37   time with way more close-up shots and [TS]

01:47:40   way less of you sitting in front of you [TS]

01:47:42   sleeping dog don't do your videos with [TS]

01:47:44   the window behind your back lighting is [TS]

01:47:46   a challenging situation and now you want [TS]

01:47:47   to show off that you have a cool camera [TS]

01:47:48   but it seems like a bad deal don't wear [TS]

01:47:50   entirely black because you disappear [TS]

01:47:52   into a giant black hole like I know [TS]

01:47:53   that's your outfit but you gotta come up [TS]

01:47:55   with something that reads well it just [TS]

01:47:56   like you don't don't wear stripes and [TS]

01:47:57   polka dots and other things that you get [TS]

01:47:58   like the the crazy pattern think it does [TS]

01:48:01   hide the mic well though [TS]

01:48:02   yeah wake the dog up occasionally that's [TS]

01:48:04   not you but if you sleep but if he [TS]

01:48:05   sleeps the whole time it's boring so [TS]

01:48:07   it's fun to see him running around doing [TS]

01:48:08   stuff and yeah that's basically it like [TS]

01:48:14   every time you were there trying to show [TS]

01:48:16   me something on a laptop that you were [TS]

01:48:17   holding in your hand 70 from the cameras [TS]

01:48:19   i can not working so like those those [TS]

01:48:20   are the main points way more close-up [TS]

01:48:22   shots of everything fewer shots of you [TS]

01:48:24   talking [TS]

01:48:25   yeah different outfits and condensed [TS]

01:48:28   definitely could have been happening i [TS]

01:48:30   think you could do the same video over [TS]

01:48:31   again [TS]

01:48:32   cut it cut length in half and and put [TS]

01:48:34   like five times as much close-up shots [TS]

01:48:37   of products in it and that's that's what [TS]

01:48:38   you're going for [TS]

01:48:39   I completely agree that like it that's [TS]

01:48:41   all very good feedback thank you and i [TS]

01:48:44   totally agree that I could like as i was [TS]

01:48:47   editing I'm like you know should i spend [TS]

01:48:49   another like hour to record this whole [TS]

01:48:51   thing and make [TS]

01:48:52   tighter and and redo all the segments [TS]

01:48:54   that doesn't quite do exactly right and [TS]

01:48:56   again it's a matter of I what I have to [TS]

01:48:59   find is the balance between amount of [TS]

01:49:02   time and putting these things versus you [TS]

01:49:04   know what what what is it worth doing [TS]

01:49:06   because your fault you're falling into [TS]

01:49:08   my trap be where you want to get every [TS]

01:49:10   single point out that's what podcaster [TS]

01:49:11   for or that's what like a hundred-page [TS]

01:49:13   most entries before I know you have all [TS]

01:49:15   these points like I know they're there [TS]

01:49:17   but when I watch a video review with the [TS]

01:49:18   sense i get it is very often you've said [TS]

01:49:21   the simplest and highest level thing [TS]

01:49:25   that you can say about this without [TS]

01:49:26   going into any detail and you have to do [TS]

01:49:28   that to get out of the video in a [TS]

01:49:29   reasonable amount of time right [TS]

01:49:31   like they'll have one sentence about the [TS]

01:49:33   fact that there are no parts except for [TS]

01:49:35   a thunderbolt on one sentence you're [TS]

01:49:37   like really you're gonna have one [TS]

01:49:38   sentence on this major thing I need to [TS]

01:49:40   talk for ten minutes about just that did [TS]

01:49:42   it doesn't have any other kinds of parts [TS]

01:49:43   on it you don't you can't do that you [TS]

01:49:45   don't have time like that's the format [TS]

01:49:46   again you can make your own former you [TS]

01:49:48   don't have to do it like everybody else [TS]

01:49:49   does but when I saw that video it seems [TS]

01:49:51   like you're going for a verge style or [TS]

01:49:54   mkbhd style or any other style if you're [TS]

01:49:57   going for that type of thing and you [TS]

01:49:58   want to be small and punchy you don't [TS]

01:50:00   get to say a lot about the fact that [TS]

01:50:02   there are only four Thunderbolt ports [TS]

01:50:03   and there's no magsafe and and one of [TS]

01:50:05   your things going to be taken by a power [TS]

01:50:06   and all the little nuance point you have [TS]

01:50:08   to make you can just can't make them [TS]

01:50:10   because there's no time you've got to [TS]

01:50:11   have one sentence that you should [TS]

01:50:12   probably right beforehand that you're [TS]

01:50:14   going to read while showing close-up [TS]

01:50:16   footage of the port's that was shot [TS]

01:50:17   separately and that's that's that that's [TS]

01:50:19   that format if you want to go with the [TS]

01:50:20   moral the ramli one or like the the more [TS]

01:50:24   complicated in depth one you can do that [TS]

01:50:26   too but then the only videos that have [TS]

01:50:28   been successful in that are way more [TS]

01:50:29   structured we're like yeah they are 15 [TS]

01:50:32   minutes long but there's a structure to [TS]

01:50:33   them and they go into detail their [TS]

01:50:35   segments those things to hang your hat [TS]

01:50:37   on basically the visual version of of [TS]

01:50:38   like h2 h3 you know like the visual [TS]

01:50:41   version of indenting on the table of [TS]

01:50:43   contents the beginning of my OS 10 days [TS]

01:50:44   you need you need something like that is [TS]

01:50:46   if I wrote an OS 10 review but it was [TS]

01:50:48   just paragraph at the pair of a text [TS]

01:50:49   with no section headings and no [TS]

01:50:51   hierarchy at all right what you're [TS]

01:50:54   saying is correct if I want to be like [TS]

01:50:58   one of these popular bloggers and [TS]

01:50:59   popular tech youtubers I'm not sure [TS]

01:51:02   that's what i want i'm not sure that i [TS]

01:51:03   even can do that [TS]

01:51:05   I think what I need to find is the [TS]

01:51:07   balance between who I am and what is [TS]

01:51:10   popular on YouTube and I I don't think [TS]

01:51:13   like if I just try to be mkbhd i'm going [TS]

01:51:15   to fail because I'm not mkbhd like if i [TS]

01:51:18   try to be if i try to make a virgin [TS]

01:51:19   video I'm going to fail because i'm not [TS]

01:51:21   spending as much time and resources on [TS]

01:51:23   is the virgins but you want the [TS]

01:51:24   advantages that they have you said you [TS]

01:51:26   don't want you don't want to spend you [TS]

01:51:27   don't want to be that long right you [TS]

01:51:29   wanted to be more compact you want it to [TS]

01:51:31   be like somewhat pre-written right and [TS]

01:51:34   you want to miss presumably take [TS]

01:51:35   advantage of the things that are in [TS]

01:51:37   video and also you want to build an [TS]

01:51:39   audience and the things that have been [TS]

01:51:41   proven to build an audience are those [TS]

01:51:44   type that doesn't mean you have to do [TS]

01:51:45   that so you can pick your own style and [TS]

01:51:46   in fact you could be the entire opposite [TS]

01:51:48   style where you make seven our videos [TS]

01:51:49   that are going to incredible depth i [TS]

01:51:51   just don't think the audience's that big [TS]

01:51:52   that you can do whatever you want but it [TS]

01:51:54   seems like you're actually very close to [TS]

01:51:57   those types of videos now with this [TS]

01:51:58   video that you made and the parts are [TS]

01:52:00   you diverge if you are to bring them [TS]

01:52:03   closer it would also be closer to your [TS]

01:52:06   desires for this video which is to do [TS]

01:52:09   something that you can't do a podcast in [TS]

01:52:10   a blog you know to take less time to be [TS]

01:52:13   more concise the type of video that you [TS]

01:52:15   would watch instead of reading the big [TS]

01:52:17   long voyage article you haven't quite [TS]

01:52:19   made that but you're close [TS]

01:52:20   yeah yeah ultimately I I think you're [TS]

01:52:23   right again it's a matter of finding my [TS]

01:52:25   natural fit on this continuum somewhere [TS]

01:52:28   and I'd obviously I'm i don't i didn't [TS]

01:52:30   expect to find it with my very first [TS]

01:52:32   video that I've ever made it is going to [TS]

01:52:34   capacity or style at all but I think I I [TS]

01:52:39   think I I it'll take me awhile to find [TS]

01:52:40   that balance [TS]

01:52:42   you should have to your wardrobe she [TS]

01:52:44   would love it is making clothes for and [TS]

01:52:47   if it's a link outfit you [TS]

01:52:48   well let's but i'm just spitballin here [TS]

01:52:51   if I can figure out the microphone thing [TS]

01:52:53   that I'm output whatever sure i want it [TS]

01:52:56   you know right now it's it's committed [TS]

01:52:57   to hide my little crappy black lavalier [TS]

01:52:59   III you totally like that's your look [TS]

01:53:01   the black thing is your look I just [TS]

01:53:03   think I don't know what you have to do [TS]

01:53:04   to make that work [TS]

01:53:06   camera wise but it wasn't and I think [TS]

01:53:08   the back light from the window is not [TS]

01:53:10   helping like it to make a black [TS]

01:53:11   completely black outfit a black shirt [TS]

01:53:13   with a black coat to make that read on [TS]

01:53:14   camera some video person will tell you [TS]

01:53:16   what you have to do [TS]

01:53:17   butter but you know whatever it is needs [TS]

01:53:19   to be something i also think you are [TS]

01:53:21   grossly overestimating how important it [TS]

01:53:23   is to hide your Mike I really don't [TS]

01:53:25   think there's all kinds of like well if [TS]

01:53:28   if I wanted to not have the mic i'll [TS]

01:53:29   just bring a podcasting makeover from [TS]

01:53:31   the boom arm and actually sound good 10 [TS]

01:53:34   that's different that's different i [TS]

01:53:36   think having something that's that's [TS]

01:53:38   including the view of you is one thing [TS]

01:53:40   being able to see a lavalier mic that [TS]

01:53:42   we've seen on every television talk show [TS]

01:53:45   for 30 years [TS]

01:53:46   that's a totally date you but you're not [TS]

01:53:47   going to be on camera most the time [TS]

01:53:48   anyway most of us was gonna be you [TS]

01:53:50   talking over other versions you shot [TS]

01:53:51   like is a true because really i really [TS]

01:53:53   like it's not like it's not a question [TS]

01:53:55   of you being like those other things as [TS]

01:53:56   a question of what the people want to [TS]

01:53:57   look at and like I said you know what [TS]

01:53:59   help with your younger more attractive [TS]

01:54:00   but in general but no one wants to see [TS]

01:54:02   someone to sit there and talk that they [TS]

01:54:04   want to show it in a proper you just [TS]

01:54:06   show me the product the whole frickin [TS]

01:54:07   time talk by all means talk to me tell [TS]

01:54:10   me about what you have to see but just [TS]

01:54:12   seeing you talk like that should be the [TS]

01:54:15   smallest proportion of the video and so [TS]

01:54:18   if during that time we can see a little [TS]

01:54:19   black mike on your thing like Casey said [TS]

01:54:21   like we've seen that on TV for years and [TS]

01:54:23   find the audio quality was finally [TS]

01:54:24   whatever i don't think you need to do [TS]

01:54:26   anything to make the audio better and [TS]

01:54:28   not really sort of it make the video but [TS]

01:54:29   like you said you did in 1080 instead of [TS]

01:54:31   organs like the video looks fine like [TS]

01:54:32   your shirt didn't read well and you know [TS]

01:54:35   it is challenging with the backline but [TS]

01:54:36   everything about it was fine it's just [TS]

01:54:38   because the macbook was too far away [TS]

01:54:40   from the camera so anytime you're trying [TS]

01:54:41   to show me anything it's like well that [TS]

01:54:43   I can't see that [TS]

01:54:44   so forget it I i think what I'd like in [TS]

01:54:47   the future is again a lot more b-roll [TS]

01:54:50   shots like a lot more of the closest and [TS]

01:54:52   everything of the computer doing doing [TS]

01:54:54   things I'm talking about things that i'm [TS]

01:54:55   showing again this was kind of rush at [TS]

01:54:58   the end because I was trying it all done [TS]

01:54:59   today and again like I I gotta find that [TS]

01:55:03   you know part of the balance between [TS]

01:55:04   finding out like you know what like what [TS]

01:55:07   kind of style video i want to produce [TS]

01:55:09   and what content should be part of that [TS]

01:55:11   balance is also figured into the rest of [TS]

01:55:13   my life because i'm also a podcaster and [TS]

01:55:16   i'm also a software developer and i'm [TS]

01:55:19   also lazy and and so had to have to find [TS]

01:55:22   I i have to figure out the schedule of [TS]

01:55:25   where does this project fit in my life [TS]

01:55:28   how much time can i really devote to [TS]

01:55:29   this [TS]

01:55:30   and again these are all things to figure [TS]

01:55:32   out over time but overall I do agree [TS]

01:55:34   like I think future videos will be like [TS]

01:55:37   less of just me talking and more showing [TS]

01:55:39   the things that i'm talking about that [TS]

01:55:41   being said i was surprised how many [TS]

01:55:44   responses I got already so far with [TS]

01:55:48   people pointing out people who noticed [TS]

01:55:50   that i made very few cuts in the video [TS]

01:55:53   that is mostly just me talking with only [TS]

01:55:55   a few cuts here and there a lot of [TS]

01:55:57   people complimented a lot of people said [TS]

01:55:58   this is kind of a relief from the more [TS]

01:56:01   highly produced videos that are coming [TS]

01:56:02   every four seconds like that because [TS]

01:56:04   that's you know pro video usually makes [TS]

01:56:07   tons of cuts like watching a movie [TS]

01:56:08   trailer just cut cut cut gauges constant [TS]

01:56:11   right and the kind of more amateur you [TS]

01:56:14   get I think the less cuts you tend to [TS]

01:56:15   make and a lot of you actually said they [TS]

01:56:18   like that and again it depends again it [TS]

01:56:21   is all going to depend on what what is [TS]

01:56:23   my style [TS]

01:56:24   what what are my goals here what I want [TS]

01:56:26   to do when I say audience growth it's [TS]

01:56:28   not i'm not saying i'm gonna try to do [TS]

01:56:31   whatever it takes to to get 10 million [TS]

01:56:33   subscribers or whatever like that would [TS]

01:56:35   be nice [TS]

01:56:35   I don't expect that to happen I mean I [TS]

01:56:37   never even had that big of an audience [TS]

01:56:38   on my blog its peak so I wouldn't i [TS]

01:56:41   wouldn't expect that to to happen on [TS]

01:56:43   youtube but I i want to find people who [TS]

01:56:48   are compatible with me and so just some [TS]

01:56:51   degree i do have to kind of come on the [TS]

01:56:53   terms of the medium and and do it you [TS]

01:56:55   know quote correctly but also to some [TS]

01:56:57   degree I don't want to like totally [TS]

01:56:59   change who I am for this medium so like [TS]

01:57:01   like some of the comments also pointed [TS]

01:57:03   out how they were happy to see me talk [TS]

01:57:07   about things that people weren't talking [TS]

01:57:08   about about this machine and I think [TS]

01:57:10   that's kind of because I'm a ramblin [TS]

01:57:12   podcaster who wants to talk about in [TS]

01:57:13   great detail that like I'm not going to [TS]

01:57:15   cut out the big long section with the [TS]

01:57:16   power brick that's why you can do the [TS]

01:57:18   long the long sequences without cuts be [TS]

01:57:20   as you are accustomed to spilling out [TS]

01:57:23   your thoughts in a long sequence that's [TS]

01:57:25   true without cuts essentially your it [TS]

01:57:28   even the podcast like this podcast is [TS]

01:57:30   edited but it's not as if you're taking [TS]

01:57:32   any of our soliloquies and chopping it [TS]

01:57:35   up into a thousand pieces and piecing it [TS]

01:57:36   together that's not how that's not how [TS]

01:57:38   they were [TS]

01:57:38   that all I mean some shows are like [TS]

01:57:40   about the show is not so you're used to [TS]

01:57:42   doing that and whether the current [TS]

01:57:45   youtube stars are using now the fact is [TS]

01:57:47   they don't like they will you know two [TS]

01:57:49   sentences about this cut two senses [TS]

01:57:51   about this cut two cents about that [TS]

01:57:53   often those cuts are because they're [TS]

01:57:54   showing you the things but i think they [TS]

01:57:56   didn't even say those in sequence i [TS]

01:57:57   think it's a they are assembling they're [TS]

01:57:59   creating it there there thing in the [TS]

01:58:01   editing room for the most part which is [TS]

01:58:03   yeah you know a perfectly valid way to [TS]

01:58:04   work but it is not the way this podcast [TS]

01:58:07   or I think even he was on top for it's [TS]

01:58:09   not how that works as far as I'm able to [TS]

01:58:11   tell us a listener so I think you're [TS]

01:58:13   coming at it from that perspective and [TS]

01:58:14   that is it that is a difference that [TS]

01:58:16   will be apparent to people [TS]