The Accidental Tech Podcast

197: Life by a Thousand Hugs


00:00:00   we should start tonight will by closing [TS]

00:00:02   the loop [TS]

00:00:03   I can't believe I just said that out [TS]

00:00:04   loud I hate myself so hard we try that [TS]

00:00:07   again [TS]

00:00:07   come out of the parking lot the same [TS]

00:00:09   thing is gonna go on the show [TS]

00:00:10   oh yeah this is gonna go on the show and [TS]

00:00:12   I hate myself so hard [TS]

00:00:15   ok so we should start tonight by putting [TS]

00:00:18   a period at the end of the sentence and [TS]

00:00:20   that sentence being john what happened [TS]

00:00:24   with your energy star sticker I was [TS]

00:00:26   encouraged by lots of stories and [TS]

00:00:28   pictures posted by people on the [TS]

00:00:29   internet saying i have removed my energy [TS]

00:00:32   star stare from LG monitor and it went [TS]

00:00:34   ok didn't I tell you that during the [TS]

00:00:36   episode [TS]

00:00:37   yeah lots of people lots of people let [TS]

00:00:38   me stick uh you know images of them [TS]

00:00:40   doing it [TS]

00:00:41   mm it's all the other people tell you [TS]

00:00:42   that you believe them you don't believe [TS]

00:00:44   me your co-host your good friend but you [TS]

00:00:46   believe the randos on the internal I [TS]

00:00:48   need like a certain you know it helps to [TS]

00:00:50   have more people say it and some people [TS]

00:00:52   are 14 person was like but I'm glad I [TS]

00:00:55   don't have an energy star sticker on my [TS]

00:00:57   monitor and they looked and found it so [TS]

00:01:00   is this can you now we're on the topic [TS]

00:01:02   can you please explain the phrase trust [TS]

00:01:04   but verify [TS]

00:01:05   to me that's cold war the reagan-era [TS]

00:01:08   thing of like the trying to make it [TS]

00:01:11   sound like he is cooperating with the [TS]

00:01:15   USSR in disarmament talks but by the [TS]

00:01:17   same token he is also still a strong [TS]

00:01:19   cowboy who will bang bang us a [TS]

00:01:22   cheeseburger cheeseburger [TS]

00:01:23   so it's trust the fuck so how is that [TS]

00:01:26   different from just not trusting people [TS]

00:01:28   and just verifying everything anyway I [TS]

00:01:30   told you how it's different it's [TS]

00:01:31   different because it sounds like you're [TS]

00:01:32   being trusting cooperative but at the [TS]

00:01:34   same time you speak out of the other [TS]

00:01:36   side of your mouth and say but I'm still [TS]

00:01:38   a manly man who can beat up people so [TS]

00:01:39   its trust but don't trust [TS]

00:01:41   okay so it's not really trusting like [TS]

00:01:44   your dishes are virtually spotless means [TS]

00:01:46   your dishes have spots on them right so [TS]

00:01:48   I I've heard this phrase i never i [TS]

00:01:50   didn't know that was the origin / thank [TS]

00:01:51   you for the history lesson I honestly [TS]

00:01:53   don't know that that makes sense that [TS]

00:01:55   would like a political doublespeak thing [TS]

00:01:57   but I hear people use the phrase as a [TS]

00:02:00   seeming as seemingly non-sarcastic [TS]

00:02:02   directive so they just using it wrong [TS]

00:02:04   hear you but what is the context of how [TS]

00:02:08   does this connect energy star sticker [TS]

00:02:09   it's almost like security well because [TS]

00:02:11   you didn't trust Casey telling you that [TS]

00:02:13   you [TS]

00:02:13   to like get verification from everybody [TS]

00:02:15   else no no I was just like I mean that's [TS]

00:02:16   just one data point just helps to have [TS]

00:02:18   more data points [TS]

00:02:19   oh god as if i needed to trust Casey but [TS]

00:02:21   verify [TS]

00:02:22   like I needed more people because his [TS]

00:02:24   monitors on the same as mine his [TS]

00:02:25   stickers on the same with mine you know [TS]

00:02:26   there are many different possibilities [TS]

00:02:29   here and maybe he's not as picky about [TS]

00:02:31   sticky stuff so trust but verify really [TS]

00:02:33   just means don't trust anybody and [TS]

00:02:35   verify everything to either that or just [TS]

00:02:37   don't trust me that's what really got me [TS]

00:02:39   if its doctrines case again and I don't [TS]

00:02:42   even know if the Reagan USSR thing is [TS]

00:02:44   the origin of it but that's that's what [TS]

00:02:46   I know it from so anyway I emboldened by [TS]

00:02:50   the internet and your good friend Casey [TS]

00:02:53   list your part of the internet I i [TS]

00:02:55   remove the sticker and everything went [TS]

00:02:57   fine and there's no residue and thumbs [TS]

00:02:59   up so don't trust your friend Casey but [TS]

00:03:01   trust random strangers on Twitter right [TS]

00:03:03   that's what I'm hearing [TS]

00:03:04   Casey had waited if casey had waited [TS]

00:03:06   until seven other people sent me [TS]

00:03:08   pictures and then had said he would have [TS]

00:03:11   been you know but not the straw that [TS]

00:03:13   broke the camel's back whatever the good [TS]

00:03:14   version of the disk this is not getting [TS]

00:03:16   any better John this is just getting [TS]

00:03:18   worse [TS]

00:03:19   oh god alright so let's just move on [TS]

00:03:22   while we still can [TS]

00:03:23   I went to the apple store today we're [TS]

00:03:24   still friends right [TS]

00:03:26   I was the Apple Store today first and [TS]

00:03:29   most importantly it infuriates me [TS]

00:03:32   the fact that there is no obvious place [TS]

00:03:34   to line up or q in order to pay for [TS]

00:03:37   something I know we've spoken about this [TS]

00:03:40   in the past maybe it's an East Coast [TS]

00:03:42   thing maybe this is then maybe on the [TS]

00:03:44   problem here but it drives me but no not [TS]

00:03:47   the problem the Stars the problem I [TS]

00:03:49   drives me bananas that I I can't just go [TS]

00:03:56   somewhere in being an obvious line to [TS]

00:03:58   pay for things [TS]

00:03:59   why is that not a tracking introduced [TS]

00:04:02   its button and then we recovered before [TS]

00:04:04   I was like well you know that may bother [TS]

00:04:06   you but for other people's marking me [TS]

00:04:08   but I think the key issue here is that [TS]

00:04:10   one that all five year olds have which [TS]

00:04:13   is the tiny child version of conception [TS]

00:04:16   of fairness which is like if I come in [TS]

00:04:18   the store before somebody or if i decide [TS]

00:04:21   to I'm ready to checkout and I make that [TS]

00:04:23   decision before somebody else i should [TS]

00:04:25   be served to you or somebody else and [TS]

00:04:26   the way that usually solved his byline [TS]

00:04:28   and yes there can be multiple lines and [TS]

00:04:29   you feel like you picked the wrong line [TS]

00:04:31   as all those little silly things to make [TS]

00:04:32   you know that make you notice when you [TS]

00:04:34   feel like you're getting cheated again [TS]

00:04:35   more five-year-old versions of fairness [TS]

00:04:36   but it's a big giant crowd and you come [TS]

00:04:40   to a decision [TS]

00:04:41   I know what I want to get its this now i [TS]

00:04:43   need to give someone money for it I and [TS]

00:04:45   then you are just wandering aimlessly [TS]

00:04:48   with the feeling that people who made [TS]

00:04:50   the decision after you are getting [TS]

00:04:51   served before you because they happen to [TS]

00:04:53   be closer to someone who's ready to [TS]

00:04:54   serve them know and then there's the [TS]

00:04:56   application that makes you feel like [TS]

00:04:57   you're stealing where you can check [TS]

00:04:58   yourself out and just overall we want to [TS]

00:05:00   go back to the system that we know and [TS]

00:05:02   love which is a line [TS]

00:05:04   yep because i know i'll get a thousand [TS]

00:05:07   tweets and emails i didn't use the apple [TS]

00:05:09   store app because i was buying a gift [TS]

00:05:11   certificate or gift card or whatever [TS]

00:05:12   it's called where I was doing an [TS]

00:05:14   arbitrary sum of money on that gift card [TS]

00:05:17   which maybe there's a way to do it [TS]

00:05:19   through the apple store app but I didn't [TS]

00:05:20   want to leave any doubt that it would [TS]

00:05:22   work so i wanted to wait for human being [TS]

00:05:24   to help me and so anyway so it i just [TS]

00:05:28   loiter do in in the worst party is so [TS]

00:05:31   there was a a an employee working with a [TS]

00:05:34   a customer who was getting like from the [TS]

00:05:37   looks of it possibly a new phone [TS]

00:05:40   possibly a new watch certainly a new [TS]

00:05:42   watch band and so this is like a fairly [TS]

00:05:45   intense process and I'm I'm in that like [TS]

00:05:48   uncomfortable space where I I want to [TS]

00:05:52   make it clear that i'm kind of forming [TS]

00:05:54   my own line because I believe in order [TS]

00:05:56   because i'm from the east coast and i [TS]

00:05:59   want i want to make it obvious i'm [TS]

00:06:01   waiting for this person that this [TS]

00:06:02   employees help yet at the same time [TS]

00:06:05   there's that like ATM buffer zone where [TS]

00:06:07   you don't want to get too close to the [TS]

00:06:09   customers business because that's not [TS]

00:06:10   really appropriate and so I'm just kind [TS]

00:06:12   of standing around in the middle of the [TS]

00:06:14   store looking lost because basically [TS]

00:06:17   that's what I am [TS]

00:06:19   inside get my wallet out he didn't want [TS]

00:06:21   to be tied to that person to love is [TS]

00:06:23   you're also on the lookout for anybody [TS]

00:06:24   else who might be able to help you [TS]

00:06:25   sooner and again this is a problem that [TS]

00:06:26   we've solved with the magic of lions is [TS]

00:06:28   called the Express line if you're behind [TS]

00:06:29   someone who's you know doing all their [TS]

00:06:31   thanksgiving shopping and you know in a [TS]

00:06:32   way you just want to buy two things you [TS]

00:06:34   can in theory go to the Express line you [TS]

00:06:37   know what I told encourages the app that [TS]

00:06:38   makes you feel like you're stealing but [TS]

00:06:39   anyway lines right lines do have their [TS]

00:06:41   drawbacks but you were in a situation [TS]

00:06:43   where you're like I'm gonna claim my [TS]

00:06:45   spot by this guy just gets no one else [TS]

00:06:46   is available but Ross exactly that [TS]

00:06:48   someone else just finished checking [TS]

00:06:50   someone out giving their ipod socks or [TS]

00:06:52   whatever and they're ready to serve [TS]

00:06:54   someone immediately and then that soma [TS]

00:06:56   wander over to them and you like but I [TS]

00:06:57   was ready five minutes ago but i'm not [TS]

00:06:59   over there but I was waiting by this [TS]

00:07:01   guy's like lines lines people yup [TS]

00:07:03   if this fixes everything in so that's [TS]

00:07:05   exactly what happened so my eyes are [TS]

00:07:07   darting so fast i must have looked like [TS]

00:07:09   i was learning something from from [TS]

00:07:11   you're getting a download from the [TS]

00:07:12   matrix or something like that cause my [TS]

00:07:13   eyes are darting all over the place [TS]

00:07:14   maybe they already know that they're not [TS]

00:07:15   ready to castrate know that guys ready [TS]

00:07:17   that woman is ready know that woman is [TS]

00:07:18   already it was insane and so anyway so I [TS]

00:07:21   did the like social cue of I got my [TS]

00:07:23   wallet out and not only did I get my [TS]

00:07:25   wallet in my hand so I have merchandise [TS]

00:07:26   in one hand of Walden the other hand I [TS]

00:07:28   actually removed my credit card from my [TS]

00:07:31   wallet in part because I will always [TS]

00:07:32   slightly beyond New Yorker and I want to [TS]

00:07:34   take up as little time as possible in [TS]

00:07:36   part because i just want to give the [TS]

00:07:38   social cue of I'm ready to pay for this [TS]

00:07:41   please [TS]

00:07:42   anyway I bring all this up to say I [TS]

00:07:44   tried to touch bar was and I was on an [TS]

00:07:49   Apple store i was in there and I I when [TS]

00:07:51   I was in there I'd for i forgot that the [TS]

00:07:52   touch bar max would actually be there [TS]

00:07:54   until I noticed one like oh yeah I [TS]

00:07:56   should try that so i did as well I also [TS]

00:07:58   did it go today or just recently for the [TS]

00:08:01   last few days i bought one of course you [TS]

00:08:04   did you want the I'm a worse i can't i'm [TS]

00:08:06   just the worst [TS]

00:08:07   I let the record show I stop myself from [TS]

00:08:10   finishing that sentence anyway so i [TS]

00:08:11   tried to touch bar I only tried it for [TS]

00:08:13   about two or three minutes initial [TS]

00:08:16   impressions i liked it i I don't like [TS]

00:08:19   the presentation in the apple store and [TS]

00:08:22   the reason I say that is I feel like in [TS]

00:08:25   and maybe it's my height I don't feel [TS]

00:08:27   like I'm a remarkably tall person I'm [TS]

00:08:29   roughly six feet give or take an inch or [TS]

00:08:31   two maybe 5 11 and I don't know what [TS]

00:08:35   that is meters because I'm American in [TS]

00:08:38   and i think that the the apples the [TS]

00:08:40   apple stores tables are a bit too low [TS]

00:08:44   and so the angle in which im looking at [TS]

00:08:47   the touch bar is I think a bit too much [TS]

00:08:49   so in other words i think generally [TS]

00:08:51   speaking my head would be lower as [TS]

00:08:53   compared to the the laptop if i was [TS]

00:08:56   working and say a desk or something and [TS]

00:08:58   so it looked like I can't describe it [TS]

00:09:01   but it looked as though i was at the [TS]

00:09:04   wrong viewing angle for the touch bar [TS]

00:09:05   that being said I really liked it i [TS]

00:09:08   think i can totally understand why [TS]

00:09:11   someone would say oh it's a gimmick [TS]

00:09:12   because it very well may be but I [TS]

00:09:15   thought it was clever [TS]

00:09:16   I thought it was well done there's [TS]

00:09:17   things that I don't love about it [TS]

00:09:19   for example I i want to say was maybe [TS]

00:09:21   Jason's now I might have that wrong but [TS]

00:09:23   somebody was saying on one of the [TS]

00:09:24   podcast i was listening to lately that [TS]

00:09:26   in safari there are previews of your [TS]

00:09:29   different tabs that are open and that [TS]

00:09:31   seems kind of silly to me I think titles [TS]

00:09:33   would have perhaps been better [TS]

00:09:35   maybe not I don't know i-i've i only use [TS]

00:09:38   different couple minutes the Escape key [TS]

00:09:40   i didn't have a problem mashing it by [TS]

00:09:43   habit but it was disconcerting that I [TS]

00:09:47   didn't feel a button press when I did it [TS]

00:09:49   in a couple of times I caught the tilled [TS]

00:09:51   a key which is an American keyboard [TS]

00:09:54   directly below escape [TS]

00:09:56   I caught that key instead of escape [TS]

00:09:58   which was frustrating and I i also spent [TS]

00:10:02   a little time typing on the keyboard and [TS]

00:10:04   in case for some reason you want to wear [TS]

00:10:08   because i don't know how much I've [TS]

00:10:08   talked about on the show but I've talked [TS]

00:10:10   about it on like Twitter and in my [TS]

00:10:11   website incessantly i freaking love the [TS]

00:10:15   magic keyboard the external keyboard [TS]

00:10:17   that that Apple's currently selling for [TS]

00:10:19   say I'm accent and whatnot i love that [TS]

00:10:21   keyboard him to me it is my favorite [TS]

00:10:24   keyboard ever ever ever [TS]

00:10:25   bar none and the keyboard on the macbook [TS]

00:10:28   pro to me and i'm curious to hear both [TS]

00:10:30   year-old both your thoughts here in a [TS]

00:10:32   moment to me the macbook pro keyboard [TS]

00:10:34   was 80 ish percent of the way there but [TS]

00:10:37   I felt like the key travel wasn't enough [TS]

00:10:39   and that was very frustrating i think i [TS]

00:10:41   could get past it [TS]

00:10:42   but I really really wanted just a little [TS]

00:10:44   bit more key travel and I think it would [TS]

00:10:46   have made a world of difference to me [TS]

00:10:49   so let's start with John since Marco you [TS]

00:10:52   own one john what did you think I [TS]

00:10:54   presume you at least typed on it for a [TS]

00:10:55   few minutes what did you think of the [TS]

00:10:56   key travel and also the touch bar didn't [TS]

00:10:59   feel that different to me than the [TS]

00:11:01   regular macbook one thing I did notice [TS]

00:11:03   the I didn't notice the noise [TS]

00:11:05   surprisingly maybe it's because I've [TS]

00:11:06   read all the stories about and I was [TS]

00:11:08   primed for it but i think i noticed any [TS]

00:11:09   way that it was noisy and it did feel [TS]

00:11:12   like stiffer and click here but not so [TS]

00:11:15   much I do i do think I liked it better [TS]

00:11:18   than the macbook one keyboard i hate [TS]

00:11:20   laptop keyboards in general so it's hard [TS]

00:11:22   for me to say like you know I think I [TS]

00:11:24   said this about the macaron I just I [TS]

00:11:25   just don't like typing on them ever like [TS]

00:11:27   in the best case I just because the keys [TS]

00:11:29   are you know it's always a little shape [TS]

00:11:31   it doesn't have the keys that i wanted i [TS]

00:11:32   just i don't like the controls not in [TS]

00:11:34   the corner yes I know if your app to [TS]

00:11:35   control capslock whatever anyway I don't [TS]

00:11:37   like them as far as this one goes I'm [TS]

00:11:41   glad it's an improvement over the [TS]

00:11:42   macbook 1 i'm going to eventually have [TS]

00:11:44   one of these for work but I quite [TS]

00:11:45   honestly doubt i will ever type on it it [TS]

00:11:47   work like I guess maybe at home in a [TS]

00:11:49   meeting or something briefly but like i [TS]

00:11:52   don't i don't use laptop don't find [TS]

00:11:53   myself using laptops maybe that will [TS]

00:11:55   change once I have this one for work and [TS]

00:11:57   I'm bringing home and maybe I'll just [TS]

00:11:58   find myself using it will see but for [TS]

00:12:01   now I don't same thing with touch bar [TS]

00:12:03   seemed fine kind of interesting what [TS]

00:12:06   keyboard do you currently use at work or [TS]

00:12:08   what do you expect to be using it work [TS]

00:12:10   Apple extended aluminum that's what i've [TS]

00:12:12   been using for many years now and I and [TS]

00:12:15   I was Apple extended to for many many [TS]

00:12:18   years ago I had to give that up for RSI [TS]

00:12:20   reasons because the keys require more [TS]

00:12:21   force depressed and I find keys that [TS]

00:12:23   require less force the press are easier [TS]

00:12:25   on my hands and that's why i like the [TS]

00:12:27   apple-woman extended because the keys [TS]

00:12:30   are seem very easy to hit that was there [TS]

00:12:32   was one of the things about the both the [TS]

00:12:35   macbook one and this one like the low [TS]

00:12:38   travel maybe I'm pressing harder than I [TS]

00:12:40   need to but it feels almost like being [TS]

00:12:42   your hands against just like the desk [TS]

00:12:44   that doesn't move right like that it [TS]

00:12:45   feels like there's more the form or the [TS]

00:12:48   foursome putting in is bouncing back at [TS]

00:12:49   me or maybe it's bouncing back quicker I [TS]

00:12:51   don't know [TS]

00:12:51   we're at the time on her for a long [TS]

00:12:52   period of time to see if this is [TS]

00:12:53   actually a thing [TS]

00:12:55   yeah and then so the touch bar [TS]

00:12:58   all right i mean it's basically what i [TS]

00:13:00   thought it would be it was cute it looks [TS]

00:13:02   nice i think the Escape key activation [TS]

00:13:05   is reasonable i would still prefer [TS]

00:13:09   regular key but I i think i would i [TS]

00:13:13   would be excited to have a laptop with [TS]

00:13:15   the sonic vs one without like it is a [TS]

00:13:17   net plus to me in my mind having you [TS]

00:13:19   again have been using it for five [TS]

00:13:20   minutes like whatever the negatives are [TS]

00:13:22   in there i think the positives [TS]

00:13:24   overwhelming so I think this is a good [TS]

00:13:26   addition to apples laptop line [TS]

00:13:27   Marco so regarding the keyboard it [TS]

00:13:31   doesn't feel that different from the [TS]

00:13:33   macbook one keyboard honestly I if you [TS]

00:13:36   get a chance [TS]

00:13:36   did either of you actually try to set [TS]

00:13:38   aside the stores a lot of historical [TS]

00:13:40   having like literally like there will be [TS]

00:13:41   like an escape mathematical ones I did [TS]

00:13:43   not [TS]

00:13:43   yep I did run right from one to the [TS]

00:13:46   other and like you could I could tell [TS]

00:13:48   you the difference i could probably tell [TS]

00:13:50   the difference with my ears plugged but [TS]

00:13:52   definitely players open i could tell [TS]

00:13:53   that they felt different but they both [TS]

00:13:55   felt like that little keyboard doesn't [TS]

00:13:57   move too much as a little cup keys they [TS]

00:13:58   both felt like that exactly like i would [TS]

00:14:00   say the macbook one keyboard kind of [TS]

00:14:02   feels like what you'd expect the new [TS]

00:14:04   macbook pro keyboard to feel like after [TS]

00:14:06   five years of heavy use it almost feels [TS]

00:14:08   like it's worn out he felt like it kind [TS]

00:14:10   of lacks that kind of kickback the way [TS]

00:14:12   the way to make the new macbook pro does [TS]

00:14:14   because like I think the way Apple [TS]

00:14:15   described it actually is as pretty as a [TS]

00:14:17   pretty good accurate description which [TS]

00:14:19   is like you know it's the same key [TS]

00:14:21   travel but it has more feedback like it [TS]

00:14:24   feels better but it's still very very [TS]

00:14:27   shallow keyboard i still don't like it [TS]

00:14:29   but after a few days that so far and I [TS]

00:14:33   traveled with it and I you know I did a [TS]

00:14:35   lot of coding on the plane and [TS]

00:14:38   everything I took a lot of notes about [TS]

00:14:39   the computer on the computer lots of [TS]

00:14:41   typing it's fine [TS]

00:14:43   I i think this is one of many areas [TS]

00:14:45   where Jason L is right it's fine i can [TS]

00:14:48   use it but I don't like it it's better [TS]

00:14:51   enough in the macbook one keyboard that [TS]

00:14:54   I would not not get this computer just [TS]

00:14:57   for that if that makes sense i think [TS]

00:14:59   there's a big one of the biggest [TS]

00:15:01   improvements over the macbook one [TS]

00:15:02   keyboard not so much like how it feels [TS]

00:15:04   and touchy-feely stuff but [TS]

00:15:05   just practically speaking again for the [TS]

00:15:06   real time i was typing my problem with [TS]

00:15:09   the macbook one keyboard was often [TS]

00:15:10   because there's so little travel and [TS]

00:15:12   because the keys are sunken in [TS]

00:15:13   it wasn't always easy to be sure that i [TS]

00:15:17   have successfully activated a key right [TS]

00:15:20   because sometimes you go to hit it and [TS]

00:15:22   you can't tell you hit because your [TS]

00:15:23   fingers up and down but it goes up and [TS]

00:15:25   down like two little and the new one has [TS]

00:15:27   such a much more positive like you have [TS]

00:15:30   press this key and you'll know it [TS]

00:15:31   because cut clack right whereas if you [TS]

00:15:34   go forward and don't quite hit because [TS]

00:15:36   you didn't apply enough force you won't [TS]

00:15:37   get the clock and so I felt them a new [TS]

00:15:39   one maybe it's a psychological that I [TS]

00:15:41   could tell when I had a key and I could [TS]

00:15:42   tell when I didn't successfully hid a [TS]

00:15:44   key in a way that was harder for me to [TS]

00:15:46   tell the macbook one keyboard [TS]

00:15:47   yeah yeah yeah i agree with that it is [TS]

00:15:49   totally fine i will also point out that [TS]

00:15:51   while we're on the subject of the noise [TS]

00:15:52   the macbook pro keyboard is not only [TS]

00:15:57   loud like noticeably loud like even if [TS]

00:15:59   noticed even like in the same really wow [TS]

00:16:00   that is loud but I i also think that the [TS]

00:16:04   sound it makes is particularly [TS]

00:16:06   ungraceful it it almost sounds like [TS]

00:16:08   you're tapping your fingers on plastic [TS]

00:16:10   tub [TS]

00:16:11   it's like it's really a like I would do [TS]

00:16:13   an average you know i'm i'm not going to [TS]

00:16:14   convey it but it's like even a good [TS]

00:16:17   already did it [TS]

00:16:17   it really does not sound good sounds of [TS]

00:16:19   it sounds very cheap and doesn't sound [TS]

00:16:22   like something is working the way it [TS]

00:16:23   should be working [TS]

00:16:24   I don't think it sounds cheap i think it [TS]

00:16:26   sounds sharp like I think it sounds like [TS]

00:16:27   a precision piece of machinery like but [TS]

00:16:30   I I I don't think it's that doesn't [TS]

00:16:32   sound or feel cheap in fact that's one [TS]

00:16:34   of things a lot of people said about and [TS]

00:16:35   I agree that this keyboard feels solid [TS]

00:16:37   like it doesn't the key caps don't [TS]

00:16:38   wiggle around like they do on the one in [TS]

00:16:40   my Apple extended aluminum and other [TS]

00:16:41   ones like feels very solid and when you [TS]

00:16:44   type it's like it's like a sharp little [TS]

00:16:45   punch right little metal punch which is [TS]

00:16:49   not a pleasant sound if you're in the [TS]

00:16:50   room but i think it doesn't feel cheap [TS]

00:16:52   now it doesn't feel to it sounds cheap [TS]

00:16:55   it feels like a mediocre keyboard and I [TS]

00:16:58   mean people get used to like that the [TS]

00:16:59   problem anything for the volume is like [TS]

00:17:01   no matter what sound it makes if it's if [TS]

00:17:03   it's more sound than your other one was [TS]

00:17:05   that's a problem because people kind of [TS]

00:17:08   develop their habits around i remember [TS]

00:17:11   when i was on the Apple extended to like [TS]

00:17:13   I would be typing you know two rooms [TS]

00:17:15   away and will be like you you know [TS]

00:17:17   like we're trying to sleep for like you [TS]

00:17:19   can't do that I can't sleep it's wherein [TS]

00:17:21   I negative square foot apartment [TS]

00:17:23   you can't be typing right now because [TS]

00:17:24   it's just too much like it's super loud [TS]

00:17:26   and so in this situation if you sitting [TS]

00:17:30   there on the couch and typing was on [TS]

00:17:31   watch TV and this one crank up the [TS]

00:17:33   volume just a little bit like I can't [TS]

00:17:35   watch TV while you're doing that just [TS]

00:17:36   stop typing [TS]

00:17:37   well it's also it's much louder the way [TS]

00:17:39   this time resident on my desk if it's in [TS]

00:17:41   your lap it is still weird the lab but [TS]

00:17:43   it is less so on a desk become [TS]

00:17:45   substantially louder I could definitely [TS]

00:17:48   see like if you share an office with [TS]

00:17:50   people and you have a laptop on the desk [TS]

00:17:52   and typing all day it's going to be very [TS]

00:17:54   noticeable so you better hope that you [TS]

00:17:56   upgrade everyone in the office at the [TS]

00:17:57   same time these things that way nobody [TS]

00:17:58   can blame you know just you respond to [TS]

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00:19:11   personally I use them for something [TS]

00:19:13   ridiculous like eight years using back [TS]

00:19:15   in Tumblr's everything since then I've [TS]

00:19:16   used them because they're just fantastic [TS]

00:19:18   long before they were a sponsor and i [TS]

00:19:20   keep using them for all my stuff because [TS]

00:19:22   i want to know when my stuff goes down I [TS]

00:19:24   don't want to be hearing from people on [TS]

00:19:25   Twitter that it's down I want to know [TS]

00:19:27   before they do so i can fix it before [TS]

00:19:29   two people see it so if you want that [TS]

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00:19:42   ah now Marco last i heard if i recall [TS]

00:19:48   correctly you had ordered and then [TS]

00:19:50   cancelled one but it appears you have [TS]

00:19:51   now bought a new macbook pro so are you [TS]

00:19:55   no longer a professional or you just [TS]

00:19:57   slumming it [TS]

00:19:58   well I had I had ordered the macbook [TS]

00:20:00   escape and then cancel it because i [TS]

00:20:02   wasn't that comfortable with how much is [TS]

00:20:03   about to pay for it for the benefit was [TS]

00:20:05   going to get my kind of got like 15 [TS]

00:20:07   entry garlic what if i end up on any [TS]

00:20:09   more more power or more screen space [TS]

00:20:11   because it makes sense [TS]

00:20:13   in summary not to go over this too much [TS]

00:20:15   again but in summary basically i use [TS]

00:20:18   them i use my mac for most of my stuff I [TS]

00:20:20   don't travel very often when I do travel [TS]

00:20:23   my needs are either almost nothing like [TS]

00:20:26   if it's not like a working triple my [TS]

00:20:28   needs are either almost nothing in which [TS]

00:20:30   case I just need to make like just in [TS]

00:20:31   case her goes down and I want like a [TS]

00:20:33   second and fixing stuff or I might like [TS]

00:20:35   to like light email Twitter work you [TS]

00:20:37   know or it's a trip right where I intend [TS]

00:20:40   to get work done or edit photos in which [TS]

00:20:41   case i want the biggest most powerful [TS]

00:20:44   screen I can get you know it's just like [TS]

00:20:46   it not like even a 15-inch like you feel [TS]

00:20:47   like I'm craftiness I want the biggest [TS]

00:20:49   most powerful think i can and so my idea [TS]

00:20:52   was well I'll just like you know leave [TS]

00:20:54   those needs aside and get the cheapo [TS]

00:20:56   13-inch one which is not that cheap [TS]

00:20:58   especially went once you add any options [TS]

00:21:00   to it and i decided to chicken out and [TS]

00:21:03   instead the local business rep give me a [TS]

00:21:07   good deal on the 15 inch so I got the [TS]

00:21:10   15-inch and I got the the high-end [TS]

00:21:13   in-store configuration so the 2.7 [TS]

00:21:16   gigahertz in the 512 and then the radeon [TS]

00:21:18   whatever 455 the reason I went with this [TS]

00:21:21   first of all I was about to go on a kind [TS]

00:21:23   of spur-of-the-moment trip and I wanted [TS]

00:21:25   to test it out and I wanted to get some [TS]

00:21:26   work done so I figured this would be a [TS]

00:21:28   good time to test it and if I really [TS]

00:21:29   hated like a return it but but I figured [TS]

00:21:32   this would be good to test to talk about [TS]

00:21:34   because really the the 15-inch macbook [TS]

00:21:36   pro is the workhorse of so many [TS]

00:21:39   industries especially software [TS]

00:21:41   developers and especially with people [TS]

00:21:43   who listen to the show [TS]

00:21:44   I i would exactly like it is it is such [TS]

00:21:47   the workhorse like it you like if you [TS]

00:21:50   look around at WTC almost every computer [TS]

00:21:54   you see is a 15-inch macbook pro yet [TS]

00:21:56   like it is so this token if you look [TS]

00:21:59   around like the office of any tech [TS]

00:22:01   company look around what computers will [TS]

00:22:02   actually using a huge portion of them [TS]

00:22:05   are 15-inch macbook pros it's it is just [TS]

00:22:07   an incredibly popular laptop among [TS]

00:22:10   people who do the things I do and people [TS]

00:22:12   listen to the show and read my site that [TS]

00:22:15   I figured it would be useful for my [TS]

00:22:17   personal brand to be able to talk about [TS]

00:22:19   this computer intelligently and mike and [TS]

00:22:22   i kind of wanted one just to see for [TS]

00:22:23   myself to test the touch bar and just [TS]

00:22:25   get some idea of where the mac is going [TS]

00:22:27   also [TS]

00:22:28   it was very painful for me to continue [TS]

00:22:31   my old one because I i was constantly [TS]

00:22:33   running out of disk space [TS]

00:22:35   I i made the mistake of getting the base [TS]

00:22:37   model before the base model 15-inch in [TS]

00:22:39   general the base model 15-inch is the [TS]

00:22:42   best deal in all of Apple computers by [TS]

00:22:45   far it is the best deal it is like for [TS]

00:22:47   what you get for the price it does not [TS]

00:22:50   cheap but for what you get you get an [TS]

00:22:52   amazing computer for that price and if [TS]

00:22:56   you you know the price of the other 15 [TS]

00:22:58   inch base model if you end up speaking [TS]

00:23:01   up a 13-inch to be comparable it [TS]

00:23:04   actually is almost the same price [TS]

00:23:06   like if you if you spec if you're [TS]

00:23:08   comfortable and ram and performance it [TS]

00:23:09   is really about the same price for the [TS]

00:23:12   so like if you have relatively moderate [TS]

00:23:15   to high needs and you can afford the [TS]

00:23:17   price of the 15 inch line i strongly [TS]

00:23:21   suggest you go for the 15 inch line [TS]

00:23:23   because it is just that good anyway so I [TS]

00:23:25   went for it and yeah I've been trying [TS]

00:23:28   for a few days now and a little little [TS]

00:23:30   little under a week now and I travel [TS]

00:23:33   with it i worked with it and it's pretty [TS]

00:23:36   good it's not perfect but it's pretty [TS]

00:23:39   good and I would say it's aight i'm [TS]

00:23:42   actually consider maybe doing a YouTube [TS]

00:23:43   video about it I don't know I it's hard [TS]

00:23:46   to make videos so i might not but I it [TS]

00:23:49   sits too long to go over all my [TS]

00:23:50   impressions here but ok it's funny it's [TS]

00:23:54   two-on-two overall my impressions are to [TS]

00:23:55   our podcast I'm going to try to make a [TS]

00:23:57   five-minute youtube video [TS]

00:23:58   naturally ok so couple quick hits maybe [TS]

00:24:02   just the first one or two things that [TS]

00:24:03   jump to mind what do you really like [TS]

00:24:05   about it or perhaps what do you like [TS]

00:24:07   about it that you didn't expect to like [TS]

00:24:08   about it [TS]

00:24:10   they seem to have made substantial [TS]

00:24:11   progress in making a quieter under [TS]

00:24:14   moderate load this this is something [TS]

00:24:16   that I haven't seen any reviews talk [TS]

00:24:18   about but the the fan noise that both [TS]

00:24:21   the the actual noise the fans make and [TS]

00:24:23   and how loud the volume is it is [TS]

00:24:26   substantially quieter and less [TS]

00:24:28   noticeable the noise even if you're [TS]

00:24:31   matching out all the cpu cores for a few [TS]

00:24:34   minutes now after you know after a few [TS]

00:24:36   minutes if you're still up for doing [TS]

00:24:37   something like a hand breaker video and [TS]

00:24:39   code where your maximum out for a long [TS]

00:24:41   time then you will notice it they will [TS]

00:24:44   spend up to a normal level then but it [TS]

00:24:45   seems like what [TS]

00:24:46   whatever thresholds they've made with [TS]

00:24:48   the new thermal system the new fans [TS]

00:24:50   whatever you know however they've [TS]

00:24:51   designed this the you don't hear the fan [TS]

00:24:54   if it's just being stressed for a minute [TS]

00:24:58   or two and and things like if one core [TS]

00:25:02   is being maxed out by some rogue process [TS]

00:25:04   that's that's not working right [TS]

00:25:06   all photos library for instance or [TS]

00:25:08   Dropbox or iCloud his security iCloud [TS]

00:25:12   keychain all these different things [TS]

00:25:13   where you'll find like one process hot [TS]

00:25:15   enough one of your cores I hundred [TS]

00:25:17   percent in the old model that would [TS]

00:25:19   usually cause the fan has been up [TS]

00:25:20   audibly I in this one it doesn't like it [TS]

00:25:22   if only one course being saturated you [TS]

00:25:24   generally don't hear it if all they're [TS]

00:25:27   being saturated you only hear after a [TS]

00:25:28   few minutes so overall like it's [TS]

00:25:31   surprisingly quite even quieter if you [TS]

00:25:34   can keep it only using the integrated [TS]

00:25:35   GPU which you can't force it to like [TS]

00:25:38   like the like Cody Kriegers little [TS]

00:25:40   utility graphics card status it can't [TS]

00:25:42   force this computer to only use [TS]

00:25:44   integrated at least not yet but it can [TS]

00:25:46   tell you which one is using and which [TS]

00:25:49   act like if it switches over to the [TS]

00:25:51   discrete GPU it can tell you exactly [TS]

00:25:52   which a process is demanding that and [TS]

00:25:55   white students even if you can go quit [TS]

00:25:57   that app for instance then then you can [TS]

00:26:00   eliminate the need for that and it can [TS]

00:26:01   also notify you with the associated [TS]

00:26:03   system notifications when the switches [TS]

00:26:05   take place if you want to [TS]

00:26:06   so anyway it's nice to get ideas like [TS]

00:26:08   what's going on and and wife anyway [TS]

00:26:11   huge improvement to the cooling system i [TS]

00:26:13   think it does still run very hot to the [TS]

00:26:15   touch when it's loaded heavily so it's [TS]

00:26:18   not like it's running at lower [TS]

00:26:19   temperatures but just whatever whatever [TS]

00:26:21   the cooling algorithms and designs are [TS]

00:26:23   maybe because and and there's a whole [TS]

00:26:25   new fan design that could have something [TS]

00:26:26   to do with it but they've they've really [TS]

00:26:28   made substantial progress there i'm very [TS]

00:26:30   happy to say that because i really hate [TS]

00:26:32   my pops get all lateral annoying with [TS]

00:26:33   the fan when he talked to me know when [TS]

00:26:35   you do anything two cpus ok what sucks [TS]

00:26:38   I sucks is a strong word but i would say [TS]

00:26:42   what's really disappointing is battery [TS]

00:26:44   life is really disappointing yeah I've [TS]

00:26:47   heard that from a few people and and I I [TS]

00:26:49   haven't liked pestered anyone who have [TS]

00:26:52   seen say this to ask you know is this [TS]

00:26:54   just day one you know just like you say [TS]

00:26:56   on a new iOS device or you know I when [TS]

00:26:59   you upgrade to iOS on an iOS device the [TS]

00:27:02   first couple days are gonna be rough as [TS]

00:27:03   it's churning through all the things [TS]

00:27:04   that needs to turn through so you said [TS]

00:27:05   you've had this machine for nearly a [TS]

00:27:07   week or about a week right so this is [TS]

00:27:09   interesting i've had it you have had it [TS]

00:27:10   for about a week [TS]

00:27:12   a little under a week there's a few a [TS]

00:27:14   few like system processes that will tend [TS]

00:27:16   to you know load a Mac that's that's [TS]

00:27:17   fairly new [TS]

00:27:18   obviously you know the old ones are as [TS]

00:27:20   old as time itself at least time machine [TS]

00:27:22   is MDS and various time machine or very [TS]

00:27:25   spotted indexers that finishes pretty [TS]

00:27:27   quickly like in the first day and so [TS]

00:27:29   that's that's pretty much done and i use [TS]

00:27:31   the wonderful utility istat menus to [TS]

00:27:34   monitor this kind of stuff so i can [TS]

00:27:35   always see like in you know in my menu [TS]

00:27:37   bar i have a little cpu core graph so i [TS]

00:27:39   can notice it maybe it's very apparent [TS]

00:27:41   when a computer it when a process is [TS]

00:27:44   using too much power you see it and then [TS]

00:27:46   you can you can go see what the process [TS]

00:27:48   is and you can you know killed if you [TS]

00:27:50   want to anyway [TS]

00:27:50   istat menus what kind of animal wouldn't [TS]

00:27:53   use myspace yeah anyway most most of the [TS]

00:27:58   host of this show you I step meetings so [TS]

00:28:02   the of what I've had problems with is [TS]

00:28:05   the Photos app where you know the in [TS]

00:28:08   Sierra and I assume it added that the [TS]

00:28:12   whole like you searched for objects in [TS]

00:28:14   photos kinda like Google photos does but [TS]

00:28:16   slightly worse that process its there's [TS]

00:28:19   no indicator on like what it's doing [TS]

00:28:22   when it's doing it there's no way to [TS]

00:28:23   tell it to pause [TS]

00:28:25   or to finish at a certain time or [TS]

00:28:27   whatever else like there's no control [TS]

00:28:28   over when it does that you will just see [TS]

00:28:30   things like photo library Dean photo [TS]

00:28:32   analysis d in your activity list and and [TS]

00:28:36   I i cannot get this laptop to finish the [TS]

00:28:41   so that there's only one place you can [TS]

00:28:42   see the progress of it and if you go to [TS]

00:28:44   photos tab in the app it will show you [TS]

00:28:47   like you know we scanned 9,000 of 25,000 [TS]

00:28:50   photos i cannot get that to progress [TS]

00:28:52   like it says that it'll do it you know [TS]

00:28:55   if you're when you're plugged into power [TS]

00:28:56   and you're not using the app so i don't [TS]

00:29:00   know whether that means whether the app [TS]

00:29:01   is quit or whether it's just running [TS]

00:29:02   hidden whether the computer has to be [TS]

00:29:04   idle or not I've experienced with all [TS]

00:29:05   the different things and I cannot get it [TS]

00:29:07   to advance very far but yet I still see [TS]

00:29:09   photo library or photo analysis d often [TS]

00:29:12   popping up in the activity list but it [TS]

00:29:15   tends to not do that on battery died i [TS]

00:29:17   watch for that like when i was doing [TS]

00:29:18   battery testing you know taking these [TS]

00:29:20   long flights i watch for that and I [TS]

00:29:22   don't think that was the problem so [TS]

00:29:23   basically I i don't think there was [TS]

00:29:25   anything in my usage when I was when I [TS]

00:29:27   was judging the battery it didn't seem [TS]

00:29:30   to be anything out of the ordinary that [TS]

00:29:32   was unfairly draining the cpu and [TS]

00:29:34   keeping a higher powered state that [TS]

00:29:36   would that would you know otherwise not [TS]

00:29:38   be there during regular use [TS]

00:29:40   so if you notice three the reviews for [TS]

00:29:42   the battery some of them say oh yeah [TS]

00:29:45   apple spot on 10 hours we we did our [TS]

00:29:48   like you know like web browsing loop in [TS]

00:29:50   its 10 hours okay [TS]

00:29:51   most of the ones that actually try [TS]

00:29:54   real-world use seem to all agree that [TS]

00:29:56   it's about five hours and it's and if [TS]

00:30:00   you if you drive it heavily it can be [TS]

00:30:01   even shorter than that that matches up [TS]

00:30:04   with my experience exactly that I am [TS]

00:30:07   consistently seeing that like if I'm [TS]

00:30:09   only doing like really casual web [TS]

00:30:12   browsing nothing else no slack no [TS]

00:30:15   Twitter no mail like know if I'm only [TS]

00:30:18   doing browsing and the Wi-Fi connection [TS]

00:30:20   is great and I'm not browsing any page [TS]

00:30:22   the turon the discrete GPUs some of them [TS]

00:30:24   do for some reason maybe its CSS [TS]

00:30:25   animations I don't know but if if you [TS]

00:30:27   can give it very very light using a web [TS]

00:30:29   browser you can get about 10 hours but [TS]

00:30:32   even if you're doing like dancing [TS]

00:30:34   between like Twitter slack and web like [TS]

00:30:36   my typical like light workload [TS]

00:30:38   even that it was down to about six hours [TS]

00:30:41   maybe maybe seven if i'm lucky if i'm [TS]

00:30:43   using Xcode to build an iOS app and and [TS]

00:30:46   do a good you build new buildings run [TS]

00:30:48   cycles with the simulator and changing [TS]

00:30:49   stuff and you know just typical iOS [TS]

00:30:52   development work in xcode nothing like [TS]

00:30:53   incredibly heavy not like constantly [TS]

00:30:55   cleaning rebuilding the whole thing like [TS]

00:30:56   just typical work in iOS and OS X [TS]

00:31:00   co-development five hours and and that's [TS]

00:31:03   that that's been pretty consistent for [TS]

00:31:04   me so far so that is not great and [TS]

00:31:08   that's that's with like you know [TS]

00:31:09   relatively modest brightness settings [TS]

00:31:12   the good thing is the screen brightness [TS]

00:31:13   level doesn't appear to have as big of [TS]

00:31:15   an effect it used to it really does seem [TS]

00:31:17   like whatever advantage that was made in [TS]

00:31:18   getting the screen to be very low-power [TS]

00:31:20   those who paid off the screen really is [TS]

00:31:23   seemingly pretty low power I don't know [TS]

00:31:24   the exact numbers on it but uh but it [TS]

00:31:26   seems like the battery life i'm getting [TS]

00:31:28   is not that related to the screen [TS]

00:31:31   brightness the way the way it used to be [TS]

00:31:32   but the problem is that you have these [TS]

00:31:35   computers where the the big advances in [TS]

00:31:38   skylake processors that that let them [TS]

00:31:40   make the battery smaller almost all came [TS]

00:31:43   at the bottom and as we've discussed [TS]

00:31:44   about like when the computer is doing [TS]

00:31:46   almost nothing when you're being very [TS]

00:31:48   gentle on it and the processor can be [TS]

00:31:50   mostly idle most of the time then now it [TS]

00:31:53   is using less power dented before but as [TS]

00:31:55   soon as that processors doing anything [TS]

00:31:56   as soon as you're giving it even a [TS]

00:31:58   moderate load the high end of the power [TS]

00:32:01   envelope there is the same as it's [TS]

00:32:02   always been so estranged give it even a [TS]

00:32:05   moderate load it's just going back to [TS]

00:32:07   how much power it used to use in the [TS]

00:32:08   previous generation of processors but [TS]

00:32:11   because the idle power dropped so much [TS]

00:32:13   apple considers that typical use and so [TS]

00:32:16   they were able to drop the battery side [TS]

00:32:18   the 25-percent so basically we have [TS]

00:32:21   computers that have twenty-five percent [TS]

00:32:24   smaller batteries and processors that [TS]

00:32:26   did get efficient enough to cook to [TS]

00:32:28   compensate for that when they're doing [TS]

00:32:29   very little but as soon as you make them [TS]

00:32:31   do anything really [TS]

00:32:34   now we just have a you know twenty-five [TS]

00:32:36   percent battery life that sucks but that [TS]

00:32:38   definitely is a pain i have to ask even [TS]

00:32:42   though I'm already regretting doing so [TS]

00:32:44   what dot was your dongle [TS]

00:32:46   I'm sorry adapter situation while you [TS]

00:32:49   are traveling and what did you buy what [TS]

00:32:51   you [TS]

00:32:51   need what did you miss it cetera first [TS]

00:32:54   of all on the plane [TS]

00:32:56   this was this might be my first long [TS]

00:32:59   plane flight with the iphone 7 and what [TS]

00:33:02   is it suck to not have a headphone jack [TS]

00:33:05   on the phone and to not be able to [TS]

00:33:07   charge the phone while using headphones [TS]

00:33:08   that really does suck like I know it's [TS]

00:33:12   been a while and we're talking about the [TS]

00:33:14   headphone jack anymore but why does that [TS]

00:33:16   suck in practice in my regular [TS]

00:33:17   day-to-day life i use bluetooth [TS]

00:33:19   headphones for walking around but my big [TS]

00:33:20   plan headphones are wired because there [TS]

00:33:22   are very few big plans phones that are [TS]

00:33:24   good at our Bluetooth anyway iphone 7 [TS]

00:33:27   big thumbs down for listening to me [TS]

00:33:30   complain anyway that aside the the [TS]

00:33:34   computer itself i-44 doing occasional [TS]

00:33:37   deployments to the iphone i used to use [TS]

00:33:39   the Apple official USBC to lightning [TS]

00:33:42   cable that was fine i brought I brought [TS]

00:33:46   my other dongles but it doesn't really [TS]

00:33:48   matter i didn't really need the money i [TS]

00:33:51   have i have the the one this last [TS]

00:33:53   weekend i have that i have a couple of [TS]

00:33:54   USB a to seize or CJ I have a [TS]

00:33:57   thunderbolt 322 which i only use for [TS]

00:33:59   this one audio interface and we didn't [TS]

00:34:01   need to strip it and bring it and I have [TS]

00:34:03   a card reader we shouldn't use it in [TS]

00:34:04   your camera but otherwise the dongle [TS]

00:34:07   situation is fine you know it really [TS]

00:34:09   does drive me nuts though is the lack of [TS]

00:34:11   cable management on the power brick that [TS]

00:34:13   like I brought up last week I said not [TS]

00:34:16   only a problem and it is a problem it's [TS]

00:34:17   really annoying to have this big thick [TS]

00:34:20   cable with no flip out arms no more [TS]

00:34:22   magsafe like the Apple power adapter the [TS]

00:34:26   previous one with magsafe and with the [TS]

00:34:28   cable management building and everything [TS]

00:34:30   that was really awesome design and we we [TS]

00:34:32   had that for a very long time and before [TS]

00:34:34   Maxie for those four hours we had for [TS]

00:34:36   even longer than that it would this have [TS]

00:34:38   been around for quite sometime like my [TS]

00:34:39   very first mac that my 2006 powerbook [TS]

00:34:43   had no idea doesn't for powerbook excuse [TS]

00:34:46   me had those lifts arms on the power [TS]

00:34:48   brick and and there is great a little [TS]

00:34:50   clip to hold the excess United at the [TS]

00:34:52   very end of the cable clip that you can [TS]

00:34:54   clip it on [TS]

00:34:55   yep yep yep all the finest technology [TS]

00:34:57   has been around like every vacuum [TS]

00:34:58   cleaner cable forever [TS]

00:34:59   anyway we don't have anything anymore [TS]

00:35:02   now it's just like an iphone cable it's [TS]

00:35:04   just bigger and it's thicker it's it's a [TS]

00:35:06   bit like you know I think it's like 85 [TS]

00:35:07   watt or something cable so it's like it [TS]

00:35:11   looks like the thickest lightning leave [TS]

00:35:12   ever seen and it's so it's kind of stiff [TS]

00:35:15   it's you know it's longer to be laptop [TS]

00:35:17   cable ish so then so it's it's long you [TS]

00:35:20   know it's it's not very flexible [TS]

00:35:22   there's no cable management whatsoever [TS]

00:35:24   so basically you have to carry a cable [TS]

00:35:25   tie with you all the time and keep doing [TS]

00:35:27   and undoing it or do some kind of crazy [TS]

00:35:29   wrapping scheme which I you know takes [TS]

00:35:30   more time it's just like it's just a [TS]

00:35:32   hassle and this and I have some hope [TS]

00:35:35   here that if Apple can start designing [TS]

00:35:37   things to be useful again they can fix [TS]

00:35:40   this just by making a new power adapter [TS]

00:35:41   or even a new power cable like this is [TS]

00:35:44   not the kind of thing like that [TS]

00:35:46   USBC design does not dictate the power [TS]

00:35:49   cable has to suck it can be any cable [TS]

00:35:51   they want to communicate after they [TS]

00:35:52   wanted they can still have magsafe [TS]

00:35:54   that's just like a little bit away from [TS]

00:35:55   the end of the computer or possibly the [TS]

00:35:57   plug in whatever like they can still do [TS]

00:35:59   all those things they didn't and that [TS]

00:36:01   kind of annoys me because it really does [TS]

00:36:03   make the product less community unless [TS]

00:36:04   nice to use and apple has been always [TS]

00:36:07   all about things that are nice things [TS]

00:36:09   they're delightful premium products and [TS]

00:36:12   the switch to the power cable here is [TS]

00:36:13   such a big step backwards it goes [TS]

00:36:15   against all of that so it sounds minor [TS]

00:36:17   but if you take if you're traveling [TS]

00:36:19   around moving on the laptop you know you [TS]

00:36:21   deal with the power cable all the time [TS]

00:36:22   and the battery life is not yet good [TS]

00:36:25   enough that you'll need to think about [TS]

00:36:26   that [TS]

00:36:26   so you still very much you need to be [TS]

00:36:28   concerned the power cable if you do [TS]

00:36:30   anything on your pro computer [TS]

00:36:32   besides very light web browsing you [TS]

00:36:34   still need to be plugged in often and so [TS]

00:36:38   to have the power cable bees be so [TS]

00:36:40   really crappy is unfortunate and so I [TS]

00:36:42   really hope Apple fixes this is some [TS]

00:36:45   point soon just updates the freakin [TS]

00:36:47   power cable and the power adapter to [TS]

00:36:48   just give us at that give us one with [TS]

00:36:50   cable management and mac safe that is [TS]

00:36:53   very very easy to do they could totally [TS]

00:36:55   do it [TS]

00:36:55   third parties can do that that is an [TS]

00:36:57   advantage here of the USBC ecosystem [TS]

00:37:00   third parties can do it and Griffin has [TS]

00:37:03   has a magsafe thing but the max water [TS]

00:37:05   John is only in the 60s somewhere so [TS]

00:37:07   that you can use on the 15 inch and [TS]

00:37:10   relying on third parties is [TS]

00:37:12   not a great solution to something like [TS]

00:37:14   this like Apple can make a power cable [TS]

00:37:16   they can make a really nice one [TS]

00:37:18   they have for a decade and more than [TS]

00:37:21   that actually hit for over a decade and [TS]

00:37:24   I just stopped for some reason and I [TS]

00:37:25   really i would go back and I hope they [TS]

00:37:27   do you can use the different charge as [TS]

00:37:30   fast [TS]

00:37:31   yeah but honestly I he was not sponsored [TS]

00:37:35   by Griffin i have not had great luck [TS]

00:37:37   with Griffin products in the past they [TS]

00:37:38   they make a lot of stuff that like only [TS]

00:37:41   they like they feel a lot of gaps in the [TS]

00:37:44   in the apple product lineup books and [TS]

00:37:45   that's that's part of the reason why i [TS]

00:37:46   bought so many things from the past [TS]

00:37:48   we're like a lot of times they are the [TS]

00:37:50   only maker of something that solves [TS]

00:37:51   problem XYZ and that's great i'm glad [TS]

00:37:53   they do but I've had very mixed luck [TS]

00:37:55   with their products so I try to avoid [TS]

00:37:57   even if i can and and so the idea of [TS]

00:38:00   relying on them for my my power cable [TS]

00:38:01   and I don't feel great about that it's [TS]

00:38:04   that it's kind of like little thing like [TS]

00:38:06   as good as as I complain last week about [TS]

00:38:08   like the loss of humanity and as John [TS]

00:38:11   clarified maybe as well as being whimsy [TS]

00:38:12   and the products the luxury product is [TS]

00:38:15   kind of a collection of small delights [TS]

00:38:17   and an apple has gotten rid of a lot of [TS]

00:38:20   those small delights in laptop line in [TS]

00:38:22   the last few generations like you used [TS]

00:38:24   to be able to push a little button on [TS]

00:38:26   the battery or the side after the [TS]

00:38:29   battery is not removable and little [TS]

00:38:30   green lights with light up telling you [TS]

00:38:32   how much the batteries charged [TS]

00:38:33   that's really nice you want to open up [TS]

00:38:35   the laptop it's been a bag for a while [TS]

00:38:37   you can you can you can just see how how [TS]

00:38:39   much you charge of opening it up MagSafe [TS]

00:38:41   connector is of course that's a huge one [TS]

00:38:43   having a little light on the plug so you [TS]

00:38:45   can see without opening it up or [TS]

00:38:46   anything you see is it charging is it [TS]

00:38:48   fully charged like it just little things [TS]

00:38:51   that of course you know the the lineup [TS]

00:38:53   apple on the back to startup chime with [TS]

00:38:54   a lot of things have been removed / time [TS]

00:38:56   and some of them with your you're [TS]

00:38:57   forgetting the one of my favorites that [TS]

00:39:00   i miss all the time the little pulsating [TS]

00:39:02   breathing light to let you know that the [TS]

00:39:04   machine was on exactly i love that god [TS]

00:39:07   that would be so cool like ancillary [TS]

00:39:09   they were there was this and a lot of [TS]

00:39:10   that I think is this has died with with [TS]

00:39:12   scott forstall but let me he's alive but [TS]

00:39:15   you basically did you call that living [TS]

00:39:18   yeah exactly wow yeah but like you know [TS]

00:39:22   they're like when we when we bought max [TS]

00:39:25   Casey and I at least John you bought [TS]

00:39:27   maximus donation case you know I bought [TS]

00:39:28   max for the first time it was still this [TS]

00:39:31   era of Liberty like where we we would be [TS]

00:39:33   able to go into a computer store back in [TS]

00:39:35   those still existed and another aspect [TS]

00:39:37   we going to like a like a circuit city [TS]

00:39:39   all these dead computer stores and and [TS]

00:39:43   you'll be able to go over the mac area [TS]

00:39:44   and you'll be able to play with the doc [TS]

00:39:46   and seal the cheesy like the Zoom [TS]

00:39:47   animations and the scaling and like the [TS]

00:39:49   minimizing like you'll be able to see [TS]

00:39:50   the cheesy crappy like whoa it's so cool [TS]

00:39:53   and when you actually bought your first [TS]

00:39:54   mac back then all those cool little [TS]

00:39:57   things just seemed amazing the pulsing [TS]

00:40:00   sleep like you know like all the cool [TS]

00:40:01   little you know lights and battery [TS]

00:40:03   things everything it was just cool it [TS]

00:40:06   was it made you feel nice about your [TS]

00:40:08   luxury product purchase and it made you [TS]

00:40:10   love this platform and so when things [TS]

00:40:14   like the niceties of the power cable [TS]

00:40:16   just get removed for seemingly very [TS]

00:40:19   little reason it really does kind of [TS]

00:40:21   erode that nice feeling and a feeling of [TS]

00:40:24   this being a premium product that you [TS]

00:40:26   love ya [TS]

00:40:27   you know I think it's been relatively [TS]

00:40:30   obvious that i haven't always agreed [TS]

00:40:33   with you on some of the things that [TS]

00:40:35   you've been grumbly about over the last [TS]

00:40:37   I don't know a couple of months about [TS]

00:40:38   your goggles and this that and the other [TS]

00:40:40   thing i could not possibly agree with [TS]

00:40:42   everything you just said more I think [TS]

00:40:44   and I think you nailed it on the head [TS]

00:40:45   with and I forget how you phrased it so [TS]

00:40:48   I apologize but but a luxury product [TS]

00:40:50   being a series of small delights I think [TS]

00:40:52   that's absolutely true and I think that [TS]

00:40:55   that you still into into large degree [TS]

00:40:57   still is but even more so used to be the [TS]

00:40:59   case with apple products and obviously i [TS]

00:41:02   don't have a new macbook pro yet but [TS]

00:41:03   eventually i will get one for work if [TS]

00:41:05   not for myself and not having those [TS]

00:41:08   little flip out [TS]

00:41:09   hooks or arms whatever you call them on [TS]

00:41:11   the brick in order to wrap up the cord [TS]

00:41:13   that's going to drive me batty not [TS]

00:41:16   having a pulsating light i still miss [TS]

00:41:18   that to this day I'm not having magsafe [TS]

00:41:21   that is saved my computer on numerous [TS]

00:41:23   occasions I mean how many [TS]

00:41:24   in a great game in aggregate and and by [TS]

00:41:26   the way about Mac save us bc holds on [TS]

00:41:29   tight like it's a really it's a really [TS]

00:41:31   secure connector which generally is good [TS]

00:41:34   yeah except you could especially now [TS]

00:41:36   with his life as being lighter you can [TS]

00:41:38   very easily kick off the table with that [TS]

00:41:40   later on the ifixit teardown though that [TS]

00:41:42   they were smart enough to make the board [TS]

00:41:44   that connects on the inside of the [TS]

00:41:45   computer a separate replaceable part so [TS]

00:41:47   when you inevitably knocking over [TS]

00:41:49   assuming it survives they can just [TS]

00:41:52   replace the part that plugs into it [TS]

00:41:54   won't like it won't kill your whole [TS]

00:41:55   motherboard least at least on one of [TS]

00:41:56   them [TS]

00:41:56   sorry logic board and apple parlance [TS]

00:41:58   least one of the models they did that [TS]

00:42:00   yeah but that's that's not a great [TS]

00:42:02   solution but that is that is both [TS]

00:42:03   incomplete and inferior to magazine but [TS]

00:42:07   no but anyway I just wanted to say that [TS]

00:42:09   I completely agree with you and I think [TS]

00:42:11   this this isn't a this isn't absolutely [TS]

00:42:15   whimsy or humanity but it's it's [TS]

00:42:17   tangentially related i think it's in [TS]

00:42:19   this kind of same universe in that it's [TS]

00:42:21   these little things in the same way that [TS]

00:42:24   that in my personal estimation windows [TS]

00:42:26   is death by a thousand paper cuts apple [TS]

00:42:29   products doesn't think again for the [TS]

00:42:32   most part still are but especially just [TS]

00:42:35   a few years ago tended to be whatever [TS]

00:42:37   the opposite of that is I don't know [TS]

00:42:38   what the opposite of death death by a [TS]

00:42:40   thousand paper cuts is but the opposite [TS]

00:42:41   of that is what Apple products were in [TS]

00:42:43   to some degree still our life by a [TS]

00:42:45   thousand hugs the other yeah but I [TS]

00:42:50   couldn't agree with you more mark a [TS]

00:42:51   little stuff like that is just it's [TS]

00:42:52   frustrating and I do think you know as [TS]

00:42:55   we've talked about the past like this [TS]

00:42:56   dongle situation it sounds like for you [TS]

00:42:58   it wasn't that bad for this particular [TS]

00:43:00   trip and I do think in the future will [TS]

00:43:02   get a lot better but there's nothing [TS]

00:43:04   that there's no obvious answer for not [TS]

00:43:07   having a little the cable management [TS]

00:43:09   arms on the power supply i guess you [TS]

00:43:11   could get a third-party power supply i [TS]

00:43:12   guess those might exist some point but [TS]

00:43:16   there's no obvious answer for that [TS]

00:43:17   there's no way you're going to get the [TS]

00:43:19   little pulsing sleep light on and on a [TS]

00:43:21   macbook pro which is not going to happen [TS]

00:43:23   and all this little stuff it just adds [TS]

00:43:25   up and his is kind of frustrating [TS]

00:43:26   overtime and like some of it [TS]

00:43:29   things like the glowing LED on the [TS]

00:43:31   abundant like the glowing apple logo on [TS]

00:43:32   the back [TS]

00:43:33   apparently that was due to fitness [TS]

00:43:34   reason the new displays or something [TS]

00:43:36   like that [TS]

00:43:36   things like that like to sleep in this [TS]

00:43:37   LED you could blame that on power or it [TS]

00:43:40   you know being too bright circles in [TS]

00:43:42   some people's rooms or whatever like but [TS]

00:43:44   certain things like the power brick [TS]

00:43:46   getting worse like there's kind of no [TS]

00:43:47   reason for that you know and thatthat's [TS]

00:43:49   kind of drive me nuts like the [TS]

00:43:51   unnecessary shaving off of all the [TS]

00:43:53   personality and delight and losing the [TS]

00:43:56   the extendo cable i forget the term for [TS]

00:43:58   it yeah I'm talking about that's $19 can [TS]

00:44:01   throw that income while you're getting [TS]

00:44:04   at the reasons like it's a like in the [TS]

00:44:06   car industry they call the decon tenting [TS]

00:44:07   and when it struck honda's I was very [TS]

00:44:09   upset that was many many years ago I [TS]

00:44:12   think we talked about it in neutral at [TS]

00:44:13   one point but when i bought my first [TS]

00:44:16   honda civic which was in 1992 the honda [TS]

00:44:20   civic is the low end model like the [TS]

00:44:21   lowest of the low end model didn't even [TS]

00:44:23   have a side mirror on the passenger side [TS]

00:44:24   like the cheapest model you get and yet [TS]

00:44:27   when you open the very very tiny trunk [TS]

00:44:30   on the back of that car there were no [TS]

00:44:33   struts that intrusion into the trunk [TS]

00:44:34   area had a series of struts so that when [TS]

00:44:36   you close that there weren't there [TS]

00:44:37   wasn't anything poking in you could put [TS]

00:44:39   a suitcase in there so we're just like [TS]

00:44:40   fill the entire opening and then close [TS]

00:44:42   the lid and you won't have to worry [TS]

00:44:43   about but now when i try to close at the [TS]

00:44:45   hinge will bang into you know the [TS]

00:44:46   gooseneck type enjoy bang into the thing [TS]

00:44:48   those are more expensive to make the [TS]

00:44:50   little struts they're more complicated [TS]

00:44:52   they're more prone to break they cost a [TS]

00:44:54   lot more than taking a bent piece of [TS]

00:44:55   metal and and bending into a gooseneck [TS]

00:44:57   shape and welding on and then Wendy [TS]

00:45:01   content being struck the Japanese car [TS]

00:45:03   industry I think the garlic because of [TS]

00:45:04   exchange rates or some other thing or [TS]

00:45:05   whatever and remember what it was but [TS]

00:45:07   anyway came to honda and all the sudden [TS]

00:45:10   Pacific God gooseneck struts and in fact [TS]

00:45:12   the cord that goes next dress and you [TS]

00:45:14   know what [TS]

00:45:14   to this day if you go by unicorn how [TS]

00:45:17   much money you pay for an accord [TS]

00:45:18   gooseneck on the trunk they never came [TS]

00:45:20   back like they never said okay well when [TS]

00:45:22   things that when things change we will [TS]

00:45:24   you no will will whatever the reverse of [TS]

00:45:27   d content thing is they made the parts [TS]

00:45:29   cheaper and probably like you know [TS]

00:45:31   simpler to build a more reliable and so [TS]

00:45:33   they don't have to worry about it but [TS]

00:45:34   it's worse in terms of packing things [TS]

00:45:36   into the bacteria carpets now you have [TS]

00:45:37   to worry about where the hinges land [TS]

00:45:38   yeah i would say like in general i have [TS]

00:45:41   i have thought about the the concept of [TS]

00:45:43   d contacting for for a while with apple [TS]

00:45:45   products and it really does seem that [TS]

00:45:46   way with with some of the more recent [TS]

00:45:49   releases and it's sad because so many of [TS]

00:45:51   those [TS]

00:45:51   things are delightful and they may add [TS]

00:45:54   on they add up to this this perception [TS]

00:45:56   of this being a premium nice product [TS]

00:45:58   that makes you happy and everyone of [TS]

00:46:00   these removals you know just like it's [TS]

00:46:02   just eroding that feeling and it's these [TS]

00:46:06   are still nice computers but they they [TS]

00:46:09   were nicer in many ways in the past and [TS]

00:46:10   it's you know in general like you know [TS]

00:46:13   it's it's hard to really complain too [TS]

00:46:15   much [TS]

00:46:15   although we always find a way but it's [TS]

00:46:17   party haha it's hard to complain too [TS]

00:46:19   much because overall I would say this is [TS]

00:46:22   a better computer for in in many ways [TS]

00:46:24   than the one it replaced but like it is [TS]

00:46:27   not as good as it could be and in areas [TS]

00:46:30   that there's no excuse for that you know [TS]

00:46:32   certain areas you can see all right well [TS]

00:46:34   it maxes out at third at 16 gigs ram for [TS]

00:46:37   these reasons with low power ram intel [TS]

00:46:39   imitations etc you know you can say like [TS]

00:46:41   oh well it couldn't have a better [TS]

00:46:43   keyboard because then it would have to [TS]

00:46:45   be thicker by the way as for the way [TS]

00:46:48   this computer feels with it being so [TS]

00:46:50   much thinner and lighter feeling small [TS]

00:46:52   improvement not a substantial [TS]

00:46:54   improvement like i'll take it you know [TS]

00:46:56   i'll take it being lighter i guess i [TS]

00:46:58   mean i would prefer great battery life [TS]

00:46:59   but you know if if this is what what is [TS]

00:47:02   available now [TS]

00:47:02   ok you know i'll accept the the weight [TS]

00:47:05   reduction but going from the retina [TS]

00:47:09   macbook pro the 2012 design 2 2016 [TS]

00:47:12   design does not feel that different it [TS]

00:47:16   were severely diminishing returns here [TS]

00:47:18   it really does not feel like a massive [TS]

00:47:20   weight savings and weight or size or [TS]

00:47:23   thickness at no point you know haven't [TS]

00:47:25   used the 2012 15 inch design since 2012 [TS]

00:47:28   at no point during these four years did [TS]

00:47:31   I ever think you know this is too thick [TS]

00:47:32   you know like everybody could use a [TS]

00:47:34   laptop being lighter because when you [TS]

00:47:36   carry it [TS]

00:47:36   it's nice ones lighter everyone can use [TS]

00:47:38   a smaller footprint for the same screen [TS]

00:47:40   size to have less overhead because all [TS]

00:47:42   that makes it easier to use on planes [TS]

00:47:44   and tight areas and stuff that's great [TS]

00:47:45   but the thickness of these laptops [TS]

00:47:47   especially in the 15 inch line is so [TS]

00:47:51   irrelevant and and they're already they [TS]

00:47:53   were already so thin 2012 to make them [TS]

00:47:56   lighter is very welcome but they really [TS]

00:47:58   didn't need to get thinner and they [TS]

00:48:00   really didn't get thinner enough in ways [TS]

00:48:03   that are actually noticeable in real [TS]

00:48:05   world use so to do things like make a [TS]

00:48:08   really controversial weird new keyboard [TS]

00:48:11   in the name of only fitness and not like [TS]

00:48:14   this because keyboards are mostly empty [TS]

00:48:15   space to be able to to force yourself [TS]

00:48:18   into that kind of design trade-off seems [TS]

00:48:22   unnecessary when it was already so thin [TS]

00:48:24   to begin with you know so lightness [TS]

00:48:26   great it is noticeably lighter it's not [TS]

00:48:28   it's not massive later it isn't like [TS]

00:48:30   like when you first like the first time [TS]

00:48:31   you picked a macbook air and you were [TS]

00:48:33   used to everything that wasn't a macbook [TS]

00:48:35   air before that yeah that was an amazing [TS]

00:48:37   difference because that was that was [TS]

00:48:38   like I think it was something like going [TS]

00:48:41   from like 4.5 to 5.5 pounds 23 point out [TS]

00:48:44   it was a huge difference and also the [TS]

00:48:46   taper was totally totally made a [TS]

00:48:48   difference [TS]

00:48:48   sure but like you know going from 4.5 [TS]

00:48:51   24.8 pounds is a much smaller difference [TS]

00:48:55   you forgot about the the biggest [TS]

00:48:56   difference though with this model that I [TS]

00:48:58   can't believe you didn't notice [TS]

00:48:59   well maybe you don't notice because you [TS]

00:49:00   didn't get it we didn't and we never [TS]

00:49:01   asked you what color I did get space [TS]

00:49:04   grey knights and isn't that a big [TS]

00:49:06   difference that to me that was the [TS]

00:49:07   biggest difference other than the touch [TS]

00:49:09   bar i guess maybe actually tied for the [TS]

00:49:11   touch part what's the biggest difference [TS]

00:49:13   in this model this one comes in grey and [TS]

00:49:15   it's a little bit of a weird grey it [TS]

00:49:17   totally looks different than the old one [TS]

00:49:19   what do you like it and yeah and [TS]

00:49:20   honestly I I was not a huge fan of [TS]

00:49:23   spacecraft the macbook one it just [TS]

00:49:25   didn't seem quite right to me when I [TS]

00:49:26   seen it it doesn't look bad but i just [TS]

00:49:29   think like spacecraft map want it just [TS]

00:49:30   seems like you know that's not really [TS]

00:49:31   the best color I i would say the epic [TS]

00:49:33   one is best in probably gold and pink [TS]

00:49:36   and I don't love those colors myself but [TS]

00:49:39   I just it just looks kind of odd in [TS]

00:49:41   space gray on the 15-inch I'd say space [TS]

00:49:43   gray looks awesome [TS]

00:49:44   I don't know why i think it's i think [TS]

00:49:46   the same but it for whatever reason [TS]

00:49:49   looks really good to me i'm very happy [TS]

00:49:51   with it so you know cool [TS]

00:49:55   I'm that's that's good news I I do like [TS]

00:49:57   it I do worry a little bit i know our [TS]

00:50:00   friend Stephen Hackett [TS]

00:50:01   by the way did you see his amazing video [TS]

00:50:03   with the Apple book and the real [TS]

00:50:04   products oh my god will put it but that [TS]

00:50:06   the show notes I it's so good i was [TS]

00:50:08   upset about the part where he shows [TS]

00:50:10   three-hundred-dollar book that all right [TS]

00:50:12   fine I I see what you're going for but [TS]

00:50:14   really come on through and all but not [TS]

00:50:16   just to check it against the wall [TS]

00:50:18   you would anyway you so yeah that's the [TS]

00:50:22   video is amazing [TS]

00:50:23   anyway space gray is good but if it gets [TS]

00:50:26   scratched or dented at all it shows the [TS]

00:50:29   the silver color through as as he [TS]

00:50:31   learned on his landscape oh now really [TS]

00:50:33   yeah so that I I don't know how deep [TS]

00:50:37   scratches necessary to make that happen [TS]

00:50:38   but it happened to Stephen already with [TS]

00:50:40   his macbook escape so that's so that's [TS]

00:50:42   that could be better i was gonna change [TS]

00:50:44   my work order to be great now that i [TS]

00:50:45   heard that no I can't have that [TS]

00:50:47   oh my god John yeah so anyway though it [TS]

00:50:52   overall I would say it's it's a good [TS]

00:50:54   computer as for the touch bar didn't [TS]

00:50:57   even talk about it [TS]

00:50:58   the the touch bar i guess i'm going to [TS]

00:51:00   have more in the future to have more [TS]

00:51:01   experience with it and so far it seems [TS]

00:51:04   fine it seems kind of like a sideways [TS]

00:51:07   step that they're you know again there's [TS]

00:51:10   some plus is there some minuses we'll [TS]

00:51:12   see over time how it develops the Escape [TS]

00:51:14   key is really annoying to be up there so [TS]

00:51:17   i started developing a habit of i [TS]

00:51:19   switched I remapped escape two caps lock [TS]

00:51:22   I just been hitting anything that I'm [TS]

00:51:23   both my imac and my laptop so I just [TS]

00:51:24   been training myself to hit caps lock [TS]

00:51:26   instead of escape and the best way to [TS]

00:51:28   deal with the escapees to stop using it [TS]

00:51:29   because the the new escape zone is fine [TS]

00:51:33   but not great that the main problem is [TS]

00:51:36   it wouldn't when you're talking about a [TS]

00:51:38   key not an area on touchscreen but a key [TS]

00:51:41   you know exactly when you've hit you can [TS]

00:51:43   rest your hand on it before you ready to [TS]

00:51:45   hit it and then you can push down and [TS]

00:51:46   you know you hit and you can't do that [TS]

00:51:49   are on on the escape zone you you can't [TS]

00:51:51   rest your finger on it beforehand and [TS]

00:51:53   use trigger it I do that a lot the first [TS]

00:51:55   couple the first day or two I had hit [TS]

00:51:56   and and you can't you can't know when [TS]

00:51:59   you've hit or not how many times you hit [TS]

00:52:01   very reliably as so it i don't love that [TS]

00:52:03   so my solution there was to simply remap [TS]

00:52:06   to it to caps lock which is easily done [TS]

00:52:07   with system preferences the trackpad is [TS]

00:52:10   being that huge I do love having the big [TS]

00:52:14   track pad area and when I went back to [TS]

00:52:16   test to use my old macbook pro one of [TS]

00:52:19   the things that made it feel impossibly [TS]

00:52:20   old was having this tiny little track [TS]

00:52:23   pad which of course is like when it came [TS]

00:52:24   out it was huge like having this old [TS]

00:52:26   this tiny track that now i still hate [TS]

00:52:29   the force touch trackpad [TS]

00:52:31   i hate the way it clicks I hate how [TS]

00:52:33   weirdly the pressure is not quite right [TS]

00:52:35   I hate how it's not a hundred percent [TS]

00:52:36   reliable so instead I've been slow [TS]

00:52:39   transitioning to a tap to click wizard [TS]

00:52:42   if you're gonna have my my taps be only [TS]

00:52:45   mostly reliable and not a hundred [TS]

00:52:47   percent reliable I'd rather do it that [TS]

00:52:49   way instead of having to feel stupid [TS]

00:52:50   weird click and push harder to get it [TS]

00:52:53   so basically my my solution to the [TS]

00:52:55   downsides of the touch part of that text [TS]

00:52:57   bar the force extract that are to avoid [TS]

00:52:59   using them and and my end the upsides of [TS]

00:53:03   the of the trackpad being so big are [TS]

00:53:06   very welcome and the upside of the touch [TS]

00:53:07   bar being this new function old surface [TS]

00:53:10   of weird things is basically a big we [TS]

00:53:13   will see about that later from me so far [TS]

00:53:15   but so far it seems it could it might be [TS]

00:53:18   really cool one more closing thought [TS]

00:53:20   about this i think looking at the specs [TS]

00:53:23   and the pricing to me there's two [TS]

00:53:26   laptops worth getting in this lineup the [TS]

00:53:28   macbook escape and the 15-inch I the [TS]

00:53:31   13-inch with with touch bar is so [TS]

00:53:34   expensive for what you get it also has I [TS]

00:53:37   think the worst battery life of the 3i [TS]

00:53:39   think if you have the need for a lower [TS]

00:53:42   end or smaller or lower performing [TS]

00:53:44   computer get an appt xscape it's so much [TS]

00:53:47   cheaper and it has better battery life [TS]

00:53:49   everything else if you want like a [TS]

00:53:51   strong workhorse computer that has a [TS]

00:53:53   little more power and order has the [TS]

00:53:55   touch bar get 15x because it is so much [TS]

00:53:57   better suspect per dollar than 13 so to [TS]

00:54:01   me those the two worth getting I I don't [TS]

00:54:04   love the 13-inch like I tried in the [TS]

00:54:05   store and you know i've ran a bunch of [TS]

00:54:06   numbers online of course I don't love [TS]

00:54:08   the 13th touch bar i don't i don't think [TS]

00:54:10   that product makes a ton of sense for [TS]

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00:55:52   ah John do you have a new phone i do [TS]

00:55:57   we're going to know iphone 7 it was the [TS]

00:56:01   one that i said i was going to get which [TS]

00:56:02   was jet black and I wanted to try using [TS]

00:56:05   it without a case and I did I just [TS]

00:56:09   didn't try it for very long [TS]

00:56:11   define not very long at less than 24 [TS]

00:56:15   hours the little birdie told me it was [TS]

00:56:17   less than six but i'll let you decide [TS]

00:56:20   yeah i mean like i wanna i wanted to try [TS]

00:56:23   it I it is grippy and I've never had a [TS]

00:56:27   ir s device without a case small [TS]

00:56:29   isolated case so i thought i was going [TS]

00:56:31   to just give it a go and and i was going [TS]

00:56:35   to take the scratches and whatever and [TS]

00:56:37   there's two reasons i had to stop the [TS]

00:56:40   the first but I kind of knew about from [TS]

00:56:42   using the store is like when i play with [TS]

00:56:44   the story notice that i could feel the [TS]

00:56:46   seams on the sim tray and then like that [TS]

00:56:48   you know on the outside of it and doing [TS]

00:56:51   it more in real life I could also feel [TS]

00:56:54   the seams around the apple logo on the [TS]

00:56:57   back [TS]

00:56:57   Jack I didn't like that either like it's [TS]

00:57:00   not wasn't you know it's one of those [TS]

00:57:01   things where you my fingers feel [TS]

00:57:03   compelled to like seek out that seam or [TS]

00:57:05   whatever it just was bothering me that [TS]

00:57:07   alone would have done at the real [TS]

00:57:09   problem I eventually realized was even [TS]

00:57:12   though i said i'm just gonna let it get [TS]

00:57:13   scratched like it's not going to accept [TS]

00:57:15   the grittiness and i'll have a smaller [TS]

00:57:16   shape and like I just accept that it's [TS]

00:57:18   going to get scratched [TS]

00:57:20   I found myself when I was placing it [TS]

00:57:23   down like placing it down gently like I [TS]

00:57:28   was trying to stop myself from placing [TS]

00:57:30   it down gently but I realized number to [TS]

00:57:32   help like it was a battle within myself [TS]

00:57:33   to treat it as cavalierly as I treated [TS]

00:57:37   my thing with the case I'm and then the [TS]

00:57:40   final little bit of the bringing of [TS]

00:57:42   these three things combined I really [TS]

00:57:44   think putting it down gently wasn't just [TS]

00:57:45   cannot get over the final bit was [TS]

00:57:47   doesn't lie flat because got a bump on [TS]

00:57:48   the back of it when you have a case you [TS]

00:57:50   don't have that problem and I find that [TS]

00:57:52   I very often have my phone laying down [TS]

00:57:54   and I very often [TS]

00:57:55   press the button and do other things [TS]

00:57:57   with it and I don't like the fact that [TS]

00:57:58   it's on an angle and could potentially [TS]

00:58:00   wobble and stuff like that so I got a [TS]

00:58:04   leather case for it it's in the other [TS]

00:58:05   case it's much happier now i think i got [TS]

00:58:07   into the leather case before any major [TS]

00:58:09   scratching seven but who knows I'm just [TS]

00:58:10   happy to have other case on it and the [TS]

00:58:12   other case is way better [TS]

00:58:13   the button to poke out through the case [TS]

00:58:15   are better than they were a couple other [TS]

00:58:17   case is slip feel slippery for me on the [TS]

00:58:19   phone by itself so it's not like i'm [TS]

00:58:20   putting in the case to be grippier but [TS]

00:58:22   as soon as I got the case on it like [TS]

00:58:26   just really a weight lifted off my [TS]

00:58:27   shoulders and I can just go back there [TS]

00:58:28   just having my regular phone and the [TS]

00:58:30   only other thing to speak of about this [TS]

00:58:33   out two more things one the home button [TS]

00:58:35   it doesn't move [TS]

00:58:36   I was on board pretty quickly with that [TS]

00:58:38   it is different but I kind of a kind of [TS]

00:58:42   like a little little kick as opposed to [TS]

00:58:45   the button press like I'm I'm pretty [TS]

00:58:47   much on par with that i even don't mind [TS]

00:58:48   it when it's laying flat on a table like [TS]

00:58:50   oh it feels so wrong it does feel weird [TS]

00:58:52   and different but i'm pretty much i'm [TS]

00:58:54   bored with it like doesn't bother me [TS]

00:58:56   that much i did eventually go down to [TS]

00:58:57   setting of 1 on that button because I [TS]

00:59:01   can feel it i don't need to be in my [TS]

00:59:03   face that much i think one is fine i'm [TS]

00:59:06   definitely a one-person for the [TS]

00:59:07   the home button and then the final thing [TS]

00:59:10   the headphone port which marker talked [TS]

00:59:12   about like coming back to reassert its [TS]

00:59:16   absence when he was on the plane I [TS]

00:59:18   haven't had that experience yet [TS]

00:59:20   well maybe i will but for now the one [TS]

00:59:22   thing that I didn't know were you [TS]

00:59:24   prepared me for or that you know I [TS]

00:59:26   didn't think about beforehand and one of [TS]

00:59:28   the things i didn't know is that all two [TS]

00:59:31   things 1i knew this but didn't realize [TS]

00:59:34   how how I feel about it [TS]

00:59:37   the Lightning plug is bigger than the [TS]

00:59:41   headphone jack maybe not in volume if [TS]

00:59:43   you do the math on it because the [TS]

00:59:44   headphone jack is longer but it's just [TS]

00:59:46   bigger around the headphone port is [TS]

00:59:49   inner circumference wise it is is closer [TS]

00:59:52   to the diameter of the of the wire than [TS]

00:59:54   the thing right and it and it goes in [TS]

00:59:57   and out a little bit easier especially [TS]

00:59:58   on this this new thing so [TS]

00:59:58   on this this new thing so [TS]

01:00:00   this feels like plugging in a bigger [TS]

01:00:02   plug then plugging in the headphone and [TS]

01:00:04   the second thing is the headphone just a [TS]

01:00:07   little thing that comes with their pots [TS]

01:00:08   which is what i use I use the earpods [TS]

01:00:09   and on all their peripherals that have [TS]

01:00:12   this little you know daks ship in them [TS]

01:00:15   the Lightning port on those including [TS]

01:00:17   the adapter by including the headphone [TS]

01:00:18   jack about their the Lightning port in [TS]

01:00:20   that is fatter the little plastic white [TS]

01:00:22   plastic part but the Lightning metal [TS]

01:00:24   thing pokes out of is fatter than the [TS]

01:00:26   plain old lightning cable one batter [TS]

01:00:28   enough that you'll notice that are [TS]

01:00:30   nothing if you hold them up of you you [TS]

01:00:31   know it's not just slightly better its [TS]

01:00:33   it is fatter so i feel like i'm plugging [TS]

01:00:37   a big fat clunky thing into my phone [TS]

01:00:40   when i connect my headphones and that is [TS]

01:00:42   weird to me because this is supposed to [TS]

01:00:43   be the modern new getting rid of the old [TS]

01:00:45   clunky you know TTR whatever the hell [TS]

01:00:48   that thing is called like the headphone [TS]

01:00:50   jack [TS]

01:00:50   that's supposed to feel the ID the [TS]

01:00:52   archaic thing we should be going to the [TS]

01:00:54   sleek new and I feel like I went the [TS]

01:00:55   opposite direction i feel like i just [TS]

01:00:56   gave up [TS]

01:00:57   USBC for scuzzy that's what it feels [TS]

01:00:59   like haha but it is not a good feeling [TS]

01:01:04   I mean I'll get over it like whatever [TS]

01:01:06   it's fine but I didn't expect that at [TS]

01:01:08   all and i had to actually say is it just [TS]

01:01:10   me but now you just hold it up just [TS]

01:01:12   grabbing a lightning cable and hold it [TS]

01:01:14   up to your your uh you know headphones [TS]

01:01:16   for your iphone 7 or took for the [TS]

01:01:19   headphone adapter it's bigger it's [TS]

01:01:21   bigger around i really hope they can [TS]

01:01:22   shrink that I think that would make a [TS]

01:01:23   big difference so I'll get over it i [TS]

01:01:26   really like my new phone is superfast [TS]

01:01:27   the screen is really awesome looking I I [TS]

01:01:29   kinda like the new home button now I [TS]

01:01:31   have forced touch [TS]

01:01:33   I overall i really like the new phone [TS]

01:01:35   especially now that have a case on it [TS]

01:01:37   but the news is not the absence of the [TS]

01:01:40   headphone port that bothers me so much [TS]

01:01:41   is the presence of the big fat lighting [TS]

01:01:43   thing [TS]

01:01:44   yeah you know I noticed the big fat [TS]

01:01:45   lightning thing but I couldn't put my [TS]

01:01:47   finger on until you said something what [TS]

01:01:50   it was about it that kind of bothered me [TS]

01:01:51   and i think it's it's exactly like you [TS]

01:01:53   said it's that it feels bigger and [TS]

01:01:55   clunkier than just a headphone jack it [TS]

01:01:58   which is definitely peculiar yeah and i [TS]

01:02:01   gotta say i have also come around to the [TS]

01:02:03   force touch home button [TS]

01:02:04   although I am a three-person I I don't [TS]

01:02:07   know how you could do anything less than [TS]

01:02:09   three but I you know the first day I [TS]

01:02:11   hated it [TS]

01:02:13   but after after that first day like now [TS]

01:02:15   it feels normal it I the the illusion [TS]

01:02:19   has totally worked on me i like it way [TS]

01:02:21   way better than any force touch trackpad [TS]

01:02:24   have ever used it is substantially [TS]

01:02:26   better so yeah it's good i'm with you on [TS]

01:02:30   that the the jet black though I i'm [TS]

01:02:33   curious I i must know in your six hours [TS]

01:02:36   of having a caseless did you get any [TS]

01:02:39   scratches on it was saying like I think [TS]

01:02:42   it's mostly scratch-free i didn't i [TS]

01:02:43   didn't go like hunting i'm sure there [TS]

01:02:45   are some because I again I was trying to [TS]

01:02:47   like the article just don't put it down [TS]

01:02:48   gently like you know you the whole thing [TS]

01:02:50   you're on board with getting this graph [TS]

01:02:51   right stop putting it down gently so i [TS]

01:02:53   was trying to force myself to just be [TS]

01:02:55   like stop thinking imagine street like [TS]

01:02:56   your old phone so I'm sure I like half [TS]

01:02:59   intentionally put it down with more [TS]

01:03:00   force than i would normally and so I'm [TS]

01:03:02   sure there are little scratches on the [TS]

01:03:04   corners here and there but I didn't go [TS]

01:03:06   hunting for them i just want to put into [TS]

01:03:07   leather case it still looks pretty good [TS]

01:03:09   like when I polish it up before i put in [TS]

01:03:11   the leather case it's still basically [TS]

01:03:13   looks new but I'm sure if I got out [TS]

01:03:14   there and you know look at the edges [TS]

01:03:16   exactly you see these little hairline [TS]

01:03:18   things whatever it's fine it'll be fine [TS]

01:03:20   for the museum / although now now that i [TS]

01:03:23   am my phone sex to get out of its case [TS]

01:03:25   which its case that is destroyed again [TS]

01:03:27   and it looks so nice and new in there [TS]

01:03:30   and like boy this is a nice pristine [TS]

01:03:32   phone and then I realized wait I'm hangs [TS]

01:03:34   down to my son our problem with phones [TS]

01:03:39   maybe this maybe I won't have him down [TS]

01:03:41   my seven maybe I'll preserve that one [TS]

01:03:43   and help not to get his own son of some [TS]

01:03:45   kind but yeah i'm hanging lights six [TS]

01:03:47   down to my son and so that's kind of a [TS]

01:03:50   bummer for the you know i did buy an [TS]

01:03:51   otterbox case for it and hopefully that [TS]

01:03:53   will that will help it survive and he [TS]

01:03:55   hasn't destroyed the 5s that is using [TS]

01:03:56   now which is also an otterbox case so I [TS]

01:03:59   have some hope that the six will make it [TS]

01:04:01   out alive but we'll see [TS]

01:04:02   it's amazing for the record I am also a [TS]

01:04:05   one-person just like John on the home [TS]

01:04:08   button i started i think i started it [TS]

01:04:10   too if memory serves and then and then [TS]

01:04:13   eventually move my way down to one it [TS]

01:04:16   works at least for me anyway we got a [TS]

01:04:18   tweet from chris malhar [TS]

01:04:21   who did a short video comparing [TS]

01:04:25   different color gamuts and this is a [TS]

01:04:28   just a couple minutes long and it is [TS]

01:04:30   definitely worth watching and it helped [TS]

01:04:31   me understand a little better what the [TS]

01:04:34   differences are so we'll put a link to [TS]

01:04:36   this in the show notes it's pretty good [TS]

01:04:38   stuff [TS]

01:04:39   it gives you a 3d representation of the [TS]

01:04:41   color space and so you can just compare [TS]

01:04:42   the size like 3d shapes like here's how [TS]

01:04:44   big this color gamut is an Outlook the [TS]

01:04:46   shape is bigger and it's bigger than [TS]

01:04:47   these dimensions and so it sits nice [TS]

01:04:49   division and that and the app that is [TS]

01:04:50   using to do that I think that's like a [TS]

01:04:51   built-in os10 app isn't it yeah [TS]

01:04:53   mhm that's what you can you can watch [TS]

01:04:55   the video and then if you have a Mac you [TS]

01:04:56   can open the same and do the same thing [TS]

01:04:58   he's doing and you know explore at your [TS]

01:05:00   leisure [TS]

01:05:01   yep exactly right Johnny I've speaking [TS]

01:05:05   of beat-up iphones are commented on [TS]

01:05:07   beat-up iphones in the or I guess you [TS]

01:05:09   didn't comment in the book because the [TS]

01:05:11   book is no words but somehow commented [TS]

01:05:13   in the in the rain in context of the [TS]

01:05:16   book and the layout it's in the show [TS]

01:05:17   notes there you go [TS]

01:05:19   sorry i didn't read far enough CSO [TS]

01:05:21   Johnny said that's Evans hankies phone [TS]

01:05:25   who manages the design studio isn't cool [TS]

01:05:28   she destroys her objects but i thought [TS]

01:05:30   there was something so charming about [TS]

01:05:31   that i thought it was lovely to put that [TS]

01:05:33   in we design tools to be used and she [TS]

01:05:35   definitely uses them to put that quote [TS]

01:05:37   in there because it sounds so much like [TS]

01:05:38   he does not like that funding but not [TS]

01:05:40   always that silly seek controls [TS]

01:05:42   everything that's a netbook like what [TS]

01:05:43   happened why would you ever put anything [TS]

01:05:44   in there then he didn't want but i read [TS]

01:05:47   that and you know you said this in the [TS]

01:05:50   past talking about apple products like [TS]

01:05:52   apple with very very few exceptions does [TS]

01:05:55   not show its products used like Warren [TS]

01:06:00   scratch dented almost all their product [TS]

01:06:03   shots show them in the pristine idealize [TS]

01:06:06   very often 3d rendered or at the very [TS]

01:06:07   least you know photoshopped like that's [TS]

01:06:10   that's how the process and we know in [TS]

01:06:12   the real world like it [TS]

01:06:14   Apple has been doing design-wise has [TS]

01:06:15   been trying to design products that stay [TS]

01:06:18   as close as possible to that pristine [TS]

01:06:20   look which is an amazing feat and you [TS]

01:06:22   know sometimes they get closer at times [TS]

01:06:24   like that sounds like the darth vader [TS]

01:06:25   Apple watch with the TLC coding is very [TS]

01:06:28   close to that whereas the you know the [TS]

01:06:31   ipod nano with a scratchy thing was very [TS]

01:06:32   far from that [TS]

01:06:33   and all products in between and we'll [TS]

01:06:35   see how the space grey 15-inch macbook [TS]

01:06:38   pro turns out but that has been the [TS]

01:06:40   trend for many many years now and this [TS]

01:06:44   this whole let's see what it looks like [TS]

01:06:46   when it's being used flies in the face [TS]

01:06:48   of that and is not common and the fact [TS]

01:06:50   that they put that in there and far as [TS]

01:06:52   I'm aware that's the only beat up thing [TS]

01:06:54   like they didn't show here's what here's [TS]

01:06:56   what a tangerine imac looks like ever [TS]

01:06:57   been used by a bunch of kindergarten [TS]

01:06:59   students for five years like they didn't [TS]

01:07:00   show that because that is the thing and [TS]

01:07:02   there is a look to that and it's not a [TS]

01:07:04   great look but they did show the [TS]

01:07:05   original iphone and so this little [TS]

01:07:07   passage almost sounds like he is trying [TS]

01:07:10   to convince himself that it's such a [TS]

01:07:12   great thing I'm sure lots of other [TS]

01:07:13   people tried to go into some it was [TS]

01:07:14   awesome i'm sure he appreciates it but I [TS]

01:07:16   still feel like hit if he was a magical [TS]

01:07:20   wizard magic industrial design wizard [TS]

01:07:22   and he said we said you can create [TS]

01:07:24   products that look like your product [TS]

01:07:26   shots and then no matter what users do [TS]

01:07:28   to them they stay looking that way he [TS]

01:07:30   would say yes do that because that's [TS]

01:07:31   exactly what I want [TS]

01:07:33   like if you can make everything out of [TS]

01:07:34   adamantium vibranium forever you're a [TS]

01:07:36   Marvel Universe magic metal or [TS]

01:07:39   unobtainium if you want to go with the [TS]

01:07:40   very stupid avatar and they never [TS]

01:07:43   actually trying not he would take that [TS]

01:07:45   because that's what he wants like it as [TS]

01:07:48   expressed by every product that he's [TS]

01:07:49   ever made and every ad that they've ever [TS]

01:07:50   been in with the exception of like that [TS]

01:07:52   one add that shows a macbook with a [TS]

01:07:54   bunch of stickers on it and stuff and [TS]

01:07:55   maybe one or two other exceptions and [TS]

01:07:57   this one thing it's so weird to me so [TS]

01:07:59   hearing that quote just like like who [TS]

01:08:02   who is it that convince you to put that [TS]

01:08:04   in the book obviously you agreed to it [TS]

01:08:05   eventually but that your heart doesn't [TS]

01:08:07   minute [TS]

01:08:08   fair enough all right tell me about the [TS]

01:08:11   penny arcade and the microsoft surface [TS]

01:08:13   to do this link was in the show notes [TS]

01:08:14   for the last episode we never got a [TS]

01:08:16   chance to talk about it [TS]

01:08:18   yeah this is just one example of you [TS]

01:08:20   know we're talking about who would want [TS]

01:08:22   this computer it's obviously not just [TS]

01:08:23   for everybody because most people aren't [TS]

01:08:24   doing like digital art on a computer but [TS]

01:08:26   if your digital artist maybe it's for [TS]

01:08:28   you and we talk about digital artist may [TS]

01:08:30   be set in their ways but for other [TS]

01:08:31   people who are more flexible or have [TS]

01:08:33   been looking for you know a new approach [TS]

01:08:36   this is great and so Mike from penny [TS]

01:08:39   arcade has been you know drawing comics [TS]

01:08:43   for many years now digitally and he's [TS]

01:08:46   use the tablet and then he switched from [TS]

01:08:48   tablet to a tablet that's basically a [TS]

01:08:50   screen the cintiq where instead of just [TS]

01:08:52   looking at the screen and drawing where [TS]

01:08:54   you're not looking now you're looking [TS]

01:08:56   down at where you're drawing visitors an [TS]

01:08:57   image there and he wrote this blog post [TS]

01:09:00   about he's also been connected with [TS]

01:09:01   Microsoft like they've been giving a [TS]

01:09:03   preview hardware for a while with the [TS]

01:09:04   old surface books and the this the you [TS]

01:09:07   know he's he's embedded with Microsoft [TS]

01:09:10   on this but he is pretty honest about [TS]

01:09:11   what you like somebody doesn't like and [TS]

01:09:15   a couple quotes from his post about that [TS]

01:09:17   will put a link to the show notes his [TS]

01:09:19   his business partner Jerry a system to [TS]

01:09:22   compare this antique says and I told him [TS]

01:09:24   the drawing on the cintiq now felt like [TS]

01:09:26   drawing on a piece of dirty plexiglass [TS]

01:09:28   hovering over CRT monitor from 1997 so [TS]

01:09:31   that's pretty you know the cintiq is [TS]

01:09:33   supposed to like the gold standard of [TS]

01:09:34   you know release at least the sort of [TS]

01:09:38   mainstream i want to draw on the screen [TS]

01:09:40   but I can't draw on my computer screen [TS]

01:09:42   because my computer screen is just a [TS]

01:09:43   monitor then I'll get a cintiq which by [TS]

01:09:45   the way are very expensive and i'm [TS]

01:09:47   assuming what a dragon 2 is basically [TS]

01:09:48   the retina resolution of the service [TS]

01:09:51   studio and to him that's more important [TS]

01:09:53   than perhaps what a cintiq fan might say [TS]

01:09:54   yeah but this indeed is more responsive [TS]

01:09:56   or whatever it did the cintiq now feels [TS]

01:09:59   like a CRT which has been on this little [TS]

01:10:02   passage where he tries to wrap things up [TS]

01:10:03   is when i first saw the device months [TS]

01:10:05   ago in that secret room microsoft here [TS]

01:10:07   to get a preview of this by the way they [TS]

01:10:09   asked me what I thought I said well I [TS]

01:10:10   have no idea i also wanted but you have [TS]

01:10:12   made my dream computer i recognize that [TS]

01:10:14   not everybody wants or needs a computer [TS]

01:10:16   they can draw on some people do though [TS]

01:10:17   and i will tell you that the service [TS]

01:10:18   studios without a doubt the best digital [TS]

01:10:20   drawing experience I've ever tried i [TS]

01:10:22   spent 16 hours a day drawing digitally [TS]

01:10:24   and i have for more than a decade the [TS]

01:10:26   cintiq in the surface these are like the [TS]

01:10:27   to my tools are my instruments I'm [TS]

01:10:29   intimately familiar and how it feels to [TS]

01:10:31   create things on these sorts of devices [TS]

01:10:32   and the studio honestly feels like a [TS]

01:10:34   generational leap forward [TS]

01:10:35   that sounds like ad copy from Microsoft [TS]

01:10:37   right but i can tell you that my company [TS]

01:10:39   arcade is not want to sugarcoat things [TS]

01:10:42   whatever you know so he really likes [TS]

01:10:44   this he's an example of who might like [TS]

01:10:46   this weird thing this is the type of [TS]

01:10:48   person that would like the people who [TS]

01:10:50   like it it feels like I've been waiting [TS]

01:10:52   all my life for this computer i think [TS]

01:10:54   again I still think he's a minority [TS]

01:10:56   Pacific most people have been drawing [TS]

01:10:57   digitally for as long as he have [TS]

01:10:58   a kind of set in their ways and are [TS]

01:11:00   happy with the situation they have many [TS]

01:11:01   just wish they could have an incremental [TS]

01:11:03   a better cintiq but if you've been [TS]

01:11:05   dreaming of this this fulfills your [TS]

01:11:07   dreams and you know I really feel his [TS]

01:11:09   enthusiasm for this device and that's [TS]

01:11:10   that one what's making you think that [TS]

01:11:12   given enough turnover in the the staff [TS]

01:11:16   of professional artist eventually some [TS]

01:11:18   companies going to win out by letting [TS]

01:11:20   these people drawn a big giant beautiful [TS]

01:11:21   screen with its Microsoft or not so [TS]

01:11:24   there was some talk on our show at last [TS]

01:11:28   week about our macs and there's a great [TS]

01:11:32   article by Jason smell on our max but [TS]

01:11:35   the thing we were going to talk about [TS]

01:11:36   really quickly as that apparently [TS]

01:11:38   microsoft listens to ATP because they've [TS]

01:11:41   announced that they're going to enable [TS]

01:11:43   x86 simulation on top of armed 64 that's [TS]

01:11:47   part of their whole on-again off-again [TS]

01:11:49   dalliance with trying to sell windows on [TS]

01:11:53   arm and the army you know surface [TS]

01:11:55   computers and everything that haven't [TS]

01:11:56   been selling as well as the Intel [TS]

01:11:58   versions and Microsoft's analysis seems [TS]

01:12:01   to be it's because people have a lot of [TS]

01:12:03   x86 software and you by the arm when you [TS]

01:12:05   can't run the x86 software it's hard for [TS]

01:12:06   us to get everyone to recompile the same [TS]

01:12:08   old problem that you always having to [TS]

01:12:10   change architectures only microsoft [TS]

01:12:11   wasn't changing architectures they want [TS]

01:12:12   to have their cake and eat it too and [TS]

01:12:14   say everybody could you like make your [TS]

01:12:17   apps build them for make your you know [TS]

01:12:19   surface apps also forearm and exit no [TS]

01:12:22   you're not no in and that ok well maybe [TS]

01:12:24   if you think about it you know you have [TS]

01:12:26   to do what Apple does what you say you [TS]

01:12:28   have to stop making 68k applications [TS]

01:12:30   eventually just make you know that [TS]

01:12:32   binaries but eventually we're just going [TS]

01:12:34   to sell powerpc convince we don't sell [TS]

01:12:36   68k Max anymore so if you keep building [TS]

01:12:38   vs AK you can have to keep doing that [TS]

01:12:40   for any number of years to support your [TS]

01:12:41   customers but you know that the futures [TS]

01:12:43   powerpc only right Michael didn't do [TS]

01:12:47   that and I don't see them doing that [TS]

01:12:48   with arms so it's been difficult to get [TS]

01:12:49   them on board so they're stopgap just [TS]

01:12:51   like Apple during transitions as well [TS]

01:12:52   let's try to emulate it and we've talked [TS]

01:12:54   about that many times in the past that [TS]

01:12:56   arm CPUs are not so much faster than x86 [TS]

01:13:00   or faster at all perhaps that you get [TS]

01:13:03   emulation you know not for free but like [TS]

01:13:05   that you can emulate it and acceptable [TS]

01:13:07   speed but Microsoft a company filled [TS]

01:13:09   with a lot of smart people and if [TS]

01:13:10   anybody can work out [TS]

01:13:12   x86 and arm emulator that has acceptable [TS]

01:13:15   performance maybe it's them [TS]

01:13:17   now how does factor into apple I don't [TS]

01:13:20   is Microsoft going to open sources does [TS]

01:13:21   the work that Microsoft does making [TS]

01:13:23   their emulator work help Apple all maybe [TS]

01:13:25   not but maybe they can prove that it can [TS]

01:13:27   be done [TS]

01:13:28   maybe they can give a data point to say [TS]

01:13:29   if you were to emulate x86 and arm [TS]

01:13:32   how would it work would be okay or would [TS]

01:13:33   it be dog slow or you know it's nice to [TS]

01:13:36   see somebody go first and so we will [TS]

01:13:38   have something more than speculation [TS]

01:13:39   eventually to see how feasible it is to [TS]

01:13:44   do this simulation because it's [TS]

01:13:46   important for compatibility for all [TS]

01:13:47   microsoft x86 apps and if Apple ever [TS]

01:13:50   want to transition surely as it has done [TS]

01:13:52   in the other two transitions it will [TS]

01:13:54   need an emulation so it's something to [TS]

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01:14:13   prescription lenses and worry Parker [TS]

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01:14:17   risk-free and this sounds crazy but they [TS]

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01:14:24   this allows you to order five pairs of [TS]

01:14:25   glasses that gets shipped directly to [TS]

01:14:27   your door you can try them on in the [TS]

01:14:28   comfort of your own home and get [TS]

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01:14:48   do it and if you want to order some [TS]

01:14:50   after that of course to make it very [TS]

01:14:51   easy but you don't have to work Parker [TS]

01:14:53   believes that glasses should be [TS]

01:14:54   affordable enough you can treat it like [TS]

01:14:56   a fashion accessory just like bags shoes [TS]

01:14:58   neckties hats you can have multiple [TS]

01:15:00   pairs if you want to and of course very [TS]

01:15:03   very affordably for every pair of [TS]

01:15:05   glasses sold word Parker also distribute [TS]

01:15:07   a pair of glasses to somebody in need [TS]

01:15:08   through worldwide vision charities they [TS]

01:15:11   also have sunglasses starting just $95 [TS]

01:15:13   including polarized lenses and also have [TS]

01:15:15   those available with prescription [TS]

01:15:16   starting just a hundred and seventy-five [TS]

01:15:18   just like eyeglasses or sunglasses are [TS]

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01:16:04   ah so speaking of people who listen to [TS]

01:16:09   the show [TS]

01:16:10   apparently we have reminded that what [TS]

01:16:12   they make that they make Wi-Fi routers [TS]

01:16:14   are they did anyway because now they [TS]

01:16:17   don't I was Marco did that right wasn't [TS]

01:16:19   marcos that they should just continue [TS]

01:16:21   the routers and such [TS]

01:16:23   I you know I wasn't I wasn't an [TS]

01:16:25   organization is anything but like it was [TS]

01:16:26   we were talking like it was literally [TS]

01:16:27   like last weekend before that [TS]

01:16:29   saying how like you know they take the [TS]

01:16:30   monitor business and you know what the [TS]

01:16:32   argument was that well if they don't [TS]

01:16:33   need to focus on monitors and I said [TS]

01:16:35   like look they still make Wi-Fi routers [TS]

01:16:37   and some of hard drives and then like [TS]

01:16:39   obviously they don't need you know [TS]

01:16:40   they're in businesses that are that are [TS]

01:16:42   less glorious but they stay in them as [TS]

01:16:43   in these supporting roles for their [TS]

01:16:45   product line UND the airport routers [TS]

01:16:48   really support the mac and and the [TS]

01:16:51   various I devices in this supporting [TS]

01:16:53   role the time capsule ones in particular [TS]

01:16:56   are very useful appliances to get people [TS]

01:16:59   who otherwise probably wouldn't back up [TS]

01:17:01   to it to a drive to time machine driver [TS]

01:17:04   to have any backup whatsoever who don't [TS]

01:17:06   who don't listen to our back play [TS]

01:17:07   sponsorships or we can use it for [TS]

01:17:08   whatever reason but have really crappy [TS]

01:17:10   internet connection so like that those [TS]

01:17:13   are now major roles that are going now [TS]

01:17:15   unserved that being said Apple routers [TS]

01:17:19   were never as far as I could tell they [TS]

01:17:22   were never that popular because you know [TS]

01:17:25   the the idea of every other router being [TS]

01:17:28   not only good enough but like 10 times [TS]

01:17:31   cheaper that has been the case for a [TS]

01:17:34   long time now like cheaper and better [TS]

01:17:36   usually like better in terms of [TS]

01:17:38   Wi-Fi signal like a dynamic apple has [TS]

01:17:40   ever had [TS]

01:17:42   maybe the very first one but I don't [TS]

01:17:43   think Apple has ever had a Wi-Fi router [TS]

01:17:45   whose Wi-Fi performance in terms of [TS]

01:17:48   range and throughput has been you know [TS]

01:17:52   that the tops they just did just have [TS]

01:17:54   never done that but i will say you know [TS]

01:17:56   as a fan of apples Wi-Fi routers one [TS]

01:17:58   thing in my experience that Apple has [TS]

01:18:00   done with its black hair products is [TS]

01:18:01   that they have been I in my experience [TS]

01:18:04   at the top of the consumer brands in [TS]

01:18:06   terms of reliability like that don't [TS]

01:18:09   reboot that don't flake out my [TS]

01:18:10   experience with them has been very very [TS]

01:18:12   solid so I always felt comfortable [TS]

01:18:14   spending the ridiculous amount of money [TS]

01:18:16   for these things both for the [TS]

01:18:19   integration reasons because there is [TS]

01:18:20   actually a surprising amount of crap [TS]

01:18:21   integrated with them you mentioned time [TS]

01:18:23   machine but it's also the Bonjour [TS]

01:18:25   sleep-wake thing and the little app that [TS]

01:18:27   comes with your mac and iOS devices to [TS]

01:18:29   control them like there are you know [TS]

01:18:32   Apple specific technologies and nice [TS]

01:18:34   integration with the apple ecosystem [TS]

01:18:35   goes along them and they were just [TS]

01:18:37   always dead reliable for me i was [TS]

01:18:39   willing to accept the crappy Wi-Fi [TS]

01:18:41   performance for those two things because [TS]

01:18:43   there's nothing worse than being in a [TS]

01:18:45   house with like your Wi-Fi right yeah [TS]

01:18:46   first world problems but but there I [TS]

01:18:50   think they they fit into the old Apple [TS]

01:18:54   model of giving you a product may not be [TS]

01:18:56   the best but integrates with the apple [TS]

01:18:58   ecosystem and we charge through the nose [TS]

01:19:00   for it and it's actually pretty good [TS]

01:19:02   yeah but unfortunately i don't think [TS]

01:19:05   it's ever been a large business and and [TS]

01:19:08   the thing is like as you get further [TS]

01:19:11   away from the devices are you getting [TS]

01:19:13   these two in the supporting roles [TS]

01:19:15   whether using an Apple product lot are [TS]

01:19:17   not matters a lot less like a monitor [TS]

01:19:19   you know that matters somewhat not as [TS]

01:19:22   much as you as you might you may think [TS]

01:19:25   but it matters is your job unless you're [TS]

01:19:27   John but if you're anybody else you know [TS]

01:19:29   the monitor using the brand of the [TS]

01:19:30   monitor whether it matches your computer [TS]

01:19:32   or not or whether it's an official app [TS]

01:19:34   monitor or not [TS]

01:19:35   for the most part it doesn't affect your [TS]

01:19:37   experience that badly if it's not that [TS]

01:19:39   there's a few things that don't work [TS]

01:19:40   quite right or or don't have a nice of [TS]

01:19:42   experiences they could you know [TS]

01:19:43   integrations you might that might not [TS]

01:19:45   work for you like brightness control the [TS]

01:19:47   keyboard stuff like that but for the [TS]

01:19:48   most part you know your it's mostly fine [TS]

01:19:51   with [TS]

01:19:52   Wi-Fi router if that's not being made by [TS]

01:19:53   apple for the most part you won't even [TS]

01:19:56   notice I'm gonna continue to change [TS]

01:19:57   something same people who are cranky [TS]

01:19:59   about monitors like me like I have this [TS]

01:20:01   experience recently because a lot of [TS]

01:20:02   people after this announcement have been [TS]

01:20:04   like oh great I'll i gotta shop for a [TS]

01:20:06   bunch of Wi-Fi think what should i get [TS]

01:20:07   and people in throwing on links lots of [TS]

01:20:09   different things one of the ones that [TS]

01:20:11   was shown to be like oh this is the best [TS]

01:20:13   performance by like five percent you [TS]

01:20:14   should get this one I forget what it was [TS]

01:20:16   it was like a netgear or b or something [TS]

01:20:19   like that anyway I'm like okay well look [TS]

01:20:22   at these benchmarks gonna go look at the [TS]

01:20:23   product like no sorry I can't like I [TS]

01:20:26   can't have three of those sitting around [TS]

01:20:28   and open spaces in my house because from [TS]

01:20:29   for Wi-Fi that is in multiple places [TS]

01:20:31   like to get whole house coverage you [TS]

01:20:33   know that it's not just one like in the [TS]

01:20:35   computer room or whatever there's one in [TS]

01:20:38   my hall there's one in my bedroom and [TS]

01:20:40   there's one in the computer room and I [TS]

01:20:43   want them to be small unobtrusive and a [TS]

01:20:46   reasonable looking and these netgear [TS]

01:20:48   whatever they think they were they were [TS]

01:20:50   tall ugly looked computery and I didn't [TS]

01:20:54   want them in my house [TS]

01:20:55   hot and so it's not say the apple ones [TS]

01:20:58   are great because the stupid apple tower [TS]

01:20:59   thingy is also big and ugly but i'm [TS]

01:21:03   still shopping based on how these things [TS]

01:21:04   will look like this is one of the [TS]

01:21:05   reasons that the the euros have stayed [TS]

01:21:07   in my house is that they are small and [TS]

01:21:10   generally unobtrusive if they were [TS]

01:21:13   bigger and uglier I would have a harder [TS]

01:21:15   time you know like I'm like this is this [TS]

01:21:17   is a shopping criteria so it is i mean [TS]

01:21:21   the apple airport express is also small [TS]

01:21:23   and unobtrusive it was so crappy that [TS]

01:21:24   you wouldn't want so the Apple Apple has [TS]

01:21:27   gotten itself out of this business by [TS]

01:21:29   just you know in mac pro style by not [TS]

01:21:30   updating the products for three years [TS]

01:21:32   and never having them be particularly [TS]

01:21:33   good and now it's like we're getting out [TS]

01:21:35   of the water is so many people replied [TS]

01:21:36   you've been out of the Wi-Fi business [TS]

01:21:38   for so like in case you haven't noticed [TS]

01:21:41   everyone else has been doing these mesh [TS]

01:21:42   networks and you just have been selling [TS]

01:21:43   this crappy overpricing for three years [TS]

01:21:45   so some people might say good riddance [TS]

01:21:48   but my my reaction to it was tweet apple [TS]

01:21:51   out of everywhere which is a reference [TS]

01:21:53   to the USA out of everywhere which is [TS]

01:21:55   not that I'm endorsing this it was a [TS]

01:21:57   snark because that kind of seems and on [TS]

01:22:00   the same on the D content in front the [TS]

01:22:02   idea like that Apple should get out of [TS]

01:22:04   every single business [TS]

01:22:05   it is not the iphone and then it's not a [TS]

01:22:07   potentially multi-billion dollar thing [TS]

01:22:08   like stop selling everything stopped [TS]

01:22:10   selling you know [TS]

01:22:12   stop selling me a USB cable stop selling [TS]

01:22:15   lightning cable stop selling power [TS]

01:22:16   adapters just stop selling everything [TS]

01:22:18   like it you know it the bean counter [TS]

01:22:20   kind of philosophy of just isolation is [TS]

01:22:22   concentrate everything on the iphone get [TS]

01:22:24   of all these other businesses and we [TS]

01:22:27   kind of feel like we're in this [TS]

01:22:28   contraction a period right now where [TS]

01:22:31   they are getting out of the business i [TS]

01:22:32   can bring this up from past shows they [TS]

01:22:34   got out of the printer bigness and [TS]

01:22:35   business and at the time that was a [TS]

01:22:37   pretty big deal because apples printers [TS]

01:22:38   were similar to Apple's Wi-Fi routers [TS]

01:22:41   there were some really good ones in the [TS]

01:22:43   beginning the apple laserwriter were [TS]

01:22:45   actually pretty cool like the very early [TS]

01:22:46   ones there weren't really any [TS]

01:22:48   competitive products that were as cool [TS]

01:22:50   they had a good integration with Apple's [TS]

01:22:53   products better than third-party things [TS]

01:22:55   eventually in the bad days when they [TS]

01:22:58   were just taking canon inkjets things [TS]

01:23:00   and wrapping them up with Apple outsides [TS]

01:23:02   at least look nicer than traditional [TS]

01:23:04   printers but they were all pretty crappy [TS]

01:23:06   and when Apple stopped making them [TS]

01:23:08   people kinda like all right well your [TS]

01:23:09   printers are expensive anyway they were [TS]

01:23:11   barely yours and you should get out of [TS]

01:23:13   it but the thing you're talking about [TS]

01:23:15   like now that Apple's out of you can [TS]

01:23:17   look at the better alternatives [TS]

01:23:19   how's that turned out for printers not [TS]

01:23:20   too well if you look at printed right [TS]

01:23:22   now they're all pretty crappy they're [TS]

01:23:24   all pretty ugly and if there was an [TS]

01:23:26   apple one the same stupid rich people [TS]

01:23:29   who be tempted to buy overpriced crap [TS]

01:23:30   the apple router is because they look [TS]

01:23:32   nice and and are reliable would also be [TS]

01:23:34   tempted to buy stupid overpriced crap [TS]

01:23:36   the Apple printers in the more of the [TS]

01:23:37   laser rider vain and style writer vein [TS]

01:23:39   right that problem like the ecosystem [TS]

01:23:42   problem has been what a lot of people [TS]

01:23:43   are reacting to it a couple of random [TS]

01:23:45   quotes from listeners here Maksym says [TS]

01:23:48   all these products working together [TS]

01:23:49   seamlessly created value apples killing [TS]

01:23:51   its own ecosystem this is alex says [TS]

01:23:54   there goes the only official way of [TS]

01:23:56   having a wireless time machine backup [TS]

01:23:57   which is not strictly true because i had [TS]

01:23:59   recently has recently published the the [TS]

01:24:00   apples time machine / sm b spec and i'll [TS]

01:24:02   put a link to it in the show notes and [TS]

01:24:04   as we all know from using technologies [TS]

01:24:05   it is possible to have a third party [TS]

01:24:07   products that reliably backs up of time [TS]

01:24:08   machine but a lot of people want to just [TS]

01:24:12   have the ease of saying I don't have to [TS]

01:24:15   shop around for what things are going to [TS]

01:24:16   work whatever if I just by all apple [TS]

01:24:17   stuff everything will [TS]

01:24:18   together and be nice looking and [TS]

01:24:19   pleasant if I just give them a lot of [TS]

01:24:22   money and as they remove pieces of that [TS]

01:24:25   and say well actually that adapter you [TS]

01:24:26   got away from belkin and printer you [TS]

01:24:28   gotta buy from somebody else and they [TS]

01:24:29   still all suck and wireless adapter you [TS]

01:24:31   got a wireless Wi-Fi think you're [TS]

01:24:33   probably gonna get it from your isp so [TS]

01:24:34   you're not gonna buy one anyway but if [TS]

01:24:35   you do buy one just you know go to wire [TS]

01:24:37   cutter and find out what the good one [TS]

01:24:38   isn't it will be ugly and it might be [TS]

01:24:40   weird and it won't work with all our [TS]

01:24:41   stuff but you'll be fine and it is a [TS]

01:24:43   contracting of the ecosystem to the most [TS]

01:24:48   essential elements which is good in that [TS]

01:24:50   focuses Apple but as then more and six [TS]

01:24:53   colors said this is quoting him it's not [TS]

01:24:56   as if the ipad or most of the mac line [TS]

01:24:57   is seen update recently either so what [TS]

01:24:59   exactly is the company working on like [TS]

01:25:01   if you're gonna like the idea of focuses [TS]

01:25:03   stop doing that all extraneous stuff so [TS]

01:25:06   you can concentrate all your awesome [TS]

01:25:07   effort on the things that you care about [TS]

01:25:08   and it could be was just a time lag they [TS]

01:25:11   are doing that we just don't see the [TS]

01:25:12   fruits of that focus yet so i hope there [TS]

01:25:14   are fruits of this focus that come out [TS]

01:25:16   of it but in the meantime we just got [TS]

01:25:18   the pain of this focus which is now I [TS]

01:25:20   gotta shop in the nasty shiny black [TS]

01:25:24   plastic world of non-apple peripherals [TS]

01:25:26   for yet more things that I used to be [TS]

01:25:29   able to just throw money at Apple to [TS]

01:25:30   give me John struggle is real [TS]

01:25:36   alright is there any way we can avoid [TS]

01:25:39   talking about the intense which weekend [TS]

01:25:42   we could because we're an hour and a [TS]

01:25:43   half into this but I know if we can [TS]

01:25:44   squeeze it and no one wants to talk [TS]

01:25:45   about Brent Simmons reverse halo effect [TS]

01:25:47   because i think there's there's more to [TS]

01:25:48   say about this Wi-Fi thing in the d [TS]

01:25:50   contacting I know yeah Margo you think [TS]

01:25:52   you can summarize the reverse halo [TS]

01:25:53   effect basically the halo effect is when [TS]

01:25:57   you make the whole ecosystem as people [TS]

01:25:59   get into parts of it it's kind of easier [TS]

01:26:02   to go to the rest of it like you're back [TS]

01:26:03   in the day when you buy an ipod then [TS]

01:26:05   maybe you know maybe your computer you [TS]

01:26:07   might buy a Mac because you know that [TS]

01:26:09   you were so impressed by the ipod you [TS]

01:26:11   well maybe Apple computers are pretty [TS]

01:26:13   good too you know you and same thing [TS]

01:26:15   with the iphone anyway and Brandon's [TS]

01:26:17   post called the reverse halo effect [TS]

01:26:18   basically saying as Apple gets out of [TS]

01:26:20   various businesses like monitors and [TS]

01:26:23   Wi-Fi routers and everything people who [TS]

01:26:25   are in the apple ecosystem who used to [TS]

01:26:27   just throw things at the money Apple to [TS]

01:26:29   just solve problems because things are [TS]

01:26:31   pretty good [TS]

01:26:32   most part when you did that once you [TS]

01:26:34   start looking outside of apple for some [TS]

01:26:36   of these key things maybe you'll start [TS]

01:26:38   looking outside of Apple more for more [TS]

01:26:40   needs and realize wait a minute if I can [TS]

01:26:43   stop paying 300 dollars for apples fancy [TS]

01:26:46   routers and I can start getting a really [TS]

01:26:48   nice router for like 70 bucks maybe I [TS]

01:26:51   could also get really nice you know [TS]

01:26:53   cables from monoprice and hey what about [TS]

01:26:55   that pc monitor the cost basically [TS]

01:26:58   nothing and then eventually you're [TS]

01:27:00   buying android phones and pcs wait are [TS]

01:27:02   you saying their books that cost less [TS]

01:27:04   than three hundred dollars they're only [TS]

01:27:06   small one not a big one like that yeah [TS]

01:27:09   the cut-down model literally yes so I I [TS]

01:27:15   think there's something to this there to [TS]

01:27:18   print reverse halo effect I I don't know [TS]

01:27:21   how strong it will be i I'm I'm more [TS]

01:27:24   concerned about the if I can summarize [TS]

01:27:27   again this is this is kind of like a big [TS]

01:27:29   feel like it like last time where I'm [TS]

01:27:30   going to try to put this into words [TS]

01:27:31   we've had to try to figure out context [TS]

01:27:35   and meaning for a lot of Apple decisions [TS]

01:27:37   recently that one of the interpretations [TS]

01:27:40   of them is Apple might be getting a [TS]

01:27:43   little too nickel-and-dime e or a little [TS]

01:27:45   too and maybe I greedy but you know just [TS]

01:27:47   like making decisions that are better [TS]

01:27:49   for money than for the products and for [TS]

01:27:51   their customers that their consumer [TS]

01:27:53   decisions recently where that is one of [TS]

01:27:54   the explanations and the other [TS]

01:27:57   explanation is well we can try to figure [TS]

01:27:59   out why things like the headphone jack i [TS]

01:28:01   removed from the sub and stuff like that [TS]

01:28:02   in the last few years I feel like the [TS]

01:28:05   rate at which we have to make that [TS]

01:28:07   interpretation example doesn't really [TS]

01:28:08   provided or provides a week explanation [TS]

01:28:10   it seems like we keep having to make [TS]

01:28:12   those uses more and more with each new [TS]

01:28:14   product change or product and/or [TS]

01:28:17   practical effect we we are making a lot [TS]

01:28:21   of excuses for apple recently where [TS]

01:28:23   we're having to interpret lots of things [TS]

01:28:25   charitably in in the same vein of like [TS]

01:28:28   where there's smoke there's fire [TS]

01:28:30   we are having to explain away decisions [TS]

01:28:33   apples making as just being by being [TS]

01:28:35   counter management or just being for [TS]

01:28:37   nickel and diming a little too often [TS]

01:28:39   recently and that has me worried [TS]

01:28:41   there's a lot of cracks showing in the [TS]

01:28:43   foundation like maybe there's a bigger [TS]

01:28:45   picture thing here [TS]

01:28:46   that we're all afraid to not only say [TS]

01:28:49   but to even consider until maybe it will [TS]

01:28:53   maybe it's too late [TS]

01:28:54   I you know what the weird thing about [TS]

01:28:55   the nickel and diming things like was [TS]

01:28:57   it's such an obvious explanation for [TS]

01:28:59   things like removing the little wings [TS]

01:29:01   and you know the other obvious [TS]

01:29:02   explanations are our research shows that [TS]

01:29:03   nobody uses those wings and they often [TS]

01:29:04   break off and it's simpler to not have [TS]

01:29:06   them and simplicity is the ultimate [TS]

01:29:07   sophistication and yada yada yada but [TS]

01:29:09   what the other aspect of this that that [TS]

01:29:12   is weird to me that makes me pull away [TS]

01:29:16   from the nickel and diming angle [TS]

01:29:17   although that totally is there i know [TS]

01:29:19   there i know for a fact that there are [TS]

01:29:20   factions inside Apple related to [TS]

01:29:23   hardware product design that will always [TS]

01:29:25   argue for saving money if possible [TS]

01:29:26   because they're going to make a lot of [TS]

01:29:27   these witches as well there has to be [TS]

01:29:29   right but if you look at Apple spending [TS]

01:29:31   R&D in recent years it is gone up hugely [TS]

01:29:35   and so I when I look at these things I [TS]

01:29:37   think they're willing to spend vast [TS]

01:29:40   amounts of money to realize the design [TS]

01:29:43   vision of their products in terms of [TS]

01:29:44   like even just the new macbook pros but [TS]

01:29:47   yeah there's unibody aluminum just like [TS]

01:29:48   everything else surely they've already [TS]

01:29:49   mastered that process and there's [TS]

01:29:50   nothing new about this one nope nope i'm [TS]

01:29:52   sure these machines have you know they [TS]

01:29:55   they probably have new processes and new [TS]

01:29:57   machines and even if it's just like the [TS]

01:29:58   departing to exactly match up the little [TS]

01:30:00   inside apple logo which they've done on [TS]

01:30:02   the phones and everything like just [TS]

01:30:03   doing that at scale and a larger things [TS]

01:30:05   like every product they make me seem to [TS]

01:30:07   be willing to put such huge amounts of [TS]

01:30:09   money into like I don't care what it [TS]

01:30:11   takes i don't care if we have to invent [TS]

01:30:13   a new machine or by a company that sells [TS]

01:30:15   this thing or do just cute you put huge [TS]

01:30:18   amounts initial investment to make this [TS]

01:30:21   perfectly designed product and yet on [TS]

01:30:23   the other side of her like if you're [TS]

01:30:25   willing to ramp up your R&D spending it [TS]

01:30:27   really has gone up looking like a simcoe [TS]

01:30:28   starts racing like its it is it's not [TS]

01:30:30   just like a five percent increase over [TS]

01:30:32   the past few years it is just like a 45 [TS]

01:30:34   degree angle slope like it is there [TS]

01:30:37   they're spending so much more money a [TS]

01:30:38   lot of it's like oh that's all product [TS]

01:30:39   tighten in the car whatever i'm not sure [TS]

01:30:41   what they're spending on maybe some of [TS]

01:30:43   it is that but i think they really are [TS]

01:30:45   investing a lot of money even things [TS]

01:30:48   like just the mac like the little old [TS]

01:30:50   back and what it takes to manufacture [TS]

01:30:52   the mac to you know [TS]

01:30:53   to satisfy the vision and they're also [TS]

01:30:56   removing a little wings and a little [TS]

01:30:58   rubbery thing from the adapter admit it [TS]

01:31:01   makes me think that those removals are [TS]

01:31:04   more explained by someone's wrongheaded [TS]

01:31:06   in my opinion idea of you know [TS]

01:31:08   simplicity we need to just reduce stuff [TS]

01:31:11   everything needs to be simpler you [TS]

01:31:13   shouldn't have little lights on the [TS]

01:31:14   adapter that is orange when it's [TS]

01:31:16   charging and green when it's done [TS]

01:31:17   because that's just one more thing and [TS]

01:31:19   you should find out that information in [TS]

01:31:21   other way I don't want to have a little [TS]

01:31:22   light up button buttons on the bottom [TS]

01:31:23   tell your battery charge because that [TS]

01:31:26   would take up room in the case and it's [TS]

01:31:27   just you know like it'sit's the computer [TS]

01:31:30   equivalent of omit needless words like [TS]

01:31:32   do you really need those little wings no [TS]

01:31:34   get rid of them do you really need a [TS]

01:31:35   little clip people find it annoying they [TS]

01:31:36   don't know what it's for no get rid of [TS]

01:31:38   its simplicity simplicity simplicity and [TS]

01:31:40   that looks just like that little rubber [TS]

01:31:42   widget thing cost point zero zero one [TS]

01:31:44   sense digit right it looks the same from [TS]

01:31:46   the outside and and like i said i know [TS]

01:31:49   there are factions inside Apple that do [TS]

01:31:52   want to argue for cheaping out on things [TS]

01:31:54   just because it saves a little bit of [TS]

01:31:55   extra money and it's so hard from the [TS]

01:31:57   outside to say what is actually [TS]

01:31:59   happening on the one hand we know for a [TS]

01:32:01   fact that Apple's many way more on R&D [TS]

01:32:03   than they used to [TS]

01:32:03   on the other hand we know for a fact [TS]

01:32:05   that they're canceling product lines and [TS]

01:32:07   removing features and you know things [TS]

01:32:11   that we know cost money every extra [TS]

01:32:13   thing that you hit you know including [TS]

01:32:14   that stupid power cable with the with [TS]

01:32:16   the plug cost more money than not [TS]

01:32:18   including it fact right did they you [TS]

01:32:21   know removing a little wings and not [TS]

01:32:22   removing it i'm going to say that costs [TS]

01:32:24   more money to happen because another [TS]

01:32:26   part that they have to deal with right [TS]

01:32:27   the little rubber which anything is [TS]

01:32:29   there really no little robbery thing on [TS]

01:32:31   it [TS]

01:32:31   Marco like they got rid of that porno [TS]

01:32:32   it's just it's just like a regular like [TS]

01:32:35   iOS lightning cable there's just just a [TS]

01:32:37   plug on both ends and a wire the middle [TS]

01:32:39   that's right it just plugs in this am it [TS]

01:32:42   like that little rubbery thing it costs [TS]

01:32:44   more money than to not have it right and [TS]

01:32:46   so you can describe all these things to [TS]

01:32:47   money and yet it makes much more sense [TS]

01:32:49   for me that it is a wrongheaded attempt [TS]

01:32:52   at simplicity or a slut you know our [TS]

01:32:54   opinion like they've gone too far or [TS]

01:32:56   that you are they haven't gone far [TS]

01:32:57   enough if you want that simplicity admit [TS]

01:32:59   let me charge wirelessly that's the [TS]

01:33:00   ultimate simplicity if you're going to [TS]

01:33:02   give me a wire give me a place to wrap [TS]

01:33:04   it in a little rubber [TS]

01:33:05   thing or you know whatever like that [TS]

01:33:07   that's the problem and not so much of [TS]

01:33:09   the bean counters are winning but apples [TS]

01:33:11   the black hole we have no idea what's [TS]

01:33:13   really going on so we just have to [TS]

01:33:14   speculate and is easy to get angry like [TS]

01:33:16   if you just decide one day you know [TS]

01:33:17   what's the bean counters I hate them d [TS]

01:33:19   content thing every goosenecks in my [TS]

01:33:21   trunk right and the other days might be [TS]

01:33:23   like no actually they're spending tons [TS]

01:33:25   of money they're just spending on [TS]

01:33:26   frivolous crap that I don't care that [TS]

01:33:28   much about when I really wish they would [TS]

01:33:29   just give me a cable with my power [TS]

01:33:31   adapter and you know and the Wi-Fi [TS]

01:33:33   things again it's a decision that [TS]

01:33:35   happens in the context of all the other [TS]

01:33:37   things were upset about you know if you [TS]

01:33:40   neglect your product for three years [TS]

01:33:42   people shed fewer tears when you cancel [TS]

01:33:44   it because it can happen the mac pro [TS]

01:33:46   right if give their their wireless [TS]

01:33:50   routers where the top of their game and [TS]

01:33:51   everybody loved them and they cancelled [TS]

01:33:52   it would be much better than like well [TS]

01:33:54   you know I haven't liked their arms [TS]

01:33:57   around you like the worst thing about is [TS]

01:33:58   like some people like I have an airport [TS]

01:34:00   and i'll be using for 10 years so they [TS]

01:34:02   go oh well I guess there really isn't a [TS]

01:34:03   good business to be in a hut by one of [TS]

01:34:04   your things and use it for 10 years [TS]

01:34:06   right so totally makes sense for him to [TS]

01:34:08   get out of this business but what Dan [TS]

01:34:11   Morgan said still sticks with me is like [TS]

01:34:12   if this is a two-phase operation in [TS]

01:34:15   turning the Giant you know ship that is [TS]

01:34:17   Apple step one get out of businesses you [TS]

01:34:19   don't need to do being and step to [TS]

01:34:21   redirect all that energy and money to [TS]

01:34:23   the products you care about [TS]

01:34:25   we're now experiencing the get out of [TS]

01:34:27   the business that you don't want to be [TS]

01:34:28   in part when do we get the part where [TS]

01:34:31   all those all that effort and money and [TS]

01:34:33   time and people results in the products [TS]

01:34:36   that Apple supposedly does care about [TS]

01:34:37   getting much more attention because now [TS]

01:34:40   it seems like we're in the worst of all [TS]

01:34:41   worlds like all the ancillary products [TS]

01:34:43   are getting neglected or cancelled and [TS]

01:34:45   the the main products are not getting [TS]

01:34:49   substantially more attention it seems [TS]

01:34:50   like we used to the max still seems a [TS]

01:34:52   little bit neglected and the iphone and [TS]

01:34:54   iOS devices they're getting the same [TS]

01:34:55   amount they always did yearly updates [TS]

01:34:57   everything's good they're right i don't [TS]

01:34:58   see them getting fantastically more [TS]

01:35:00   attention so where is this personal [TS]

01:35:02   money and resources going to it [TS]

01:35:04   no I guess we'll find out over the next [TS]

01:35:06   few years they come out with like a [TS]

01:35:08   hoverboard or amazing AR thing or [TS]

01:35:10   something like that but the other thing [TS]

01:35:12   is when the wife [TS]

01:35:13   nothing like maybe they did all those [TS]

01:35:14   people got put onto the apples answer to [TS]

01:35:17   the google home or Amazon echo that [TS]

01:35:20   would be nice i hope they do that if the [TS]

01:35:21   Apple is going to make that product and [TS]

01:35:23   it's not just like any part of the apple [TS]

01:35:25   TV team that will be good to take this [TS]

01:35:27   team who are making the Wi-Fi routers [TS]

01:35:28   and redirecting because i think that is [TS]

01:35:30   a better product for Apple then just a [TS]

01:35:31   simple Wi-Fi router but of course i [TS]

01:35:33   won't tell us so we just have to wonder [TS]

01:35:36   yeah you know it was funny for me to [TS]

01:35:39   watch the reactions to this report of of [TS]

01:35:43   Apple ditching the airport routers [TS]

01:35:46   because i don't know which one of us not [TS]

01:35:49   I may be guilty of this as well which [TS]

01:35:51   one of us has said Oh apple should focus [TS]

01:35:54   but I've heard that a lot and then a lot [TS]

01:35:57   of people seem to be very upset about 0 [TS]

01:35:59   apple's shouldn't be killing this [TS]

01:36:01   product and it's like wow [TS]

01:36:03   can we pick one can we as it can we as a [TS]

01:36:05   group pic well but focus means you get [TS]

01:36:08   more of something else in exchange for [TS]

01:36:10   thing you're removing they're just doing [TS]

01:36:11   their removing but not doing okay now [TS]

01:36:14   like 18 again it could be separated by [TS]

01:36:15   time we have to wait for those resources [TS]

01:36:17   to be you know so and so forth but [TS]

01:36:18   that's what people when they mean focus [TS]

01:36:20   what they really mean is the thing that [TS]

01:36:22   I keep waiting for that i'm not getting [TS]

01:36:24   give me that thing and if you need to [TS]

01:36:26   sacrifice other things to do it fine and [TS]

01:36:28   what they're getting is adjusting the [TS]

01:36:30   sacrifice part like but no no you don't [TS]

01:36:31   understand my important demand was you [TS]

01:36:34   know update the Mac Mini or you know [TS]

01:36:36   give me an even bigger ipad with a you [TS]

01:36:39   know stylist or like whatever whatever [TS]

01:36:40   thing is that you're waiting for [TS]

01:36:42   that's what you want and what you're [TS]

01:36:44   saying with the focuses stop doing [TS]

01:36:46   insert thing that I don't care about and [TS]

01:36:48   start doing thing I care about [TS]

01:36:49   instead they're doing stop doing the [TS]

01:36:51   thing that that I don't care about and [TS]

01:36:53   then do nothing else different your head [TS]

01:36:55   and then again you have to be patient [TS]

01:36:57   yeah I i agree with you in it I'm not [TS]

01:37:00   saying that anyone is wrong to have kind [TS]

01:37:02   of both opinions because they both to [TS]

01:37:04   make sense [TS]

01:37:05   I my gut feeling is is that Apple is [TS]

01:37:09   just pulling out of the things that they [TS]

01:37:11   just don't really care about very much [TS]

01:37:12   just like you said and and we will see [TS]

01:37:15   some sort of marked improvement in other [TS]

01:37:18   areas in the future but in terms of the [TS]

01:37:21   the router specifically I'm not [TS]

01:37:24   personally shutting it here about this i [TS]

01:37:25   was using an airport express [TS]

01:37:27   an old one in fact one of the one of the [TS]

01:37:28   like pancake looking ones i was using [TS]

01:37:31   one of those until 0 sent us some heroes [TS]

01:37:33   and I mean they didn't sponsor this [TS]

01:37:35   episode but i really like my heroes they [TS]

01:37:37   work really well and and and I've stuck [TS]

01:37:40   with them despite expecting to just plug [TS]

01:37:42   them in for a week or two and then and [TS]

01:37:44   then disconnect them so they're not the [TS]

01:37:47   only option either i mean marcos talked [TS]

01:37:48   in the past about ubiquity there's [TS]

01:37:49   there's plenty of other options too [TS]

01:37:52   I don't think it's unreasonable for [TS]

01:37:54   Apple to get out of this business I [TS]

01:37:55   don't think its core to what they really [TS]

01:37:56   wanted what they really want to be and [TS]

01:37:59   what they really want to do but I also [TS]

01:38:02   simultaneously do understand brands [TS]

01:38:05   point that hey if they just killed half [TS]

01:38:08   the ecosystem in the ecosystem is now [TS]

01:38:10   only defined as computers and play well [TS]

01:38:13   desktop computers portable computers and [TS]

01:38:15   hyper portable computers [TS]

01:38:17   that's not much of an ecosystem anymore [TS]

01:38:18   so it's it's a very double-edged sword [TS]

01:38:20   i'm not sure what the right right [TS]

01:38:21   balances but so far i'm going on faith [TS]

01:38:24   that the balances ok what do you think [TS]

01:38:26   about a markup i think i'm mostly with [TS]

01:38:29   you I mean you know you like the the [TS]

01:38:31   whole idea of like you know demanding [TS]

01:38:33   focus and everything that you know that [TS]

01:38:36   there's a huge disconnect everything [TS]

01:38:38   like how much these things cost to focus [TS]

01:38:41   on where to invest in was not investment [TS]

01:38:43   like I don't think there is a massive [TS]

01:38:46   staff still working on the router [TS]

01:38:48   division which has released a router in [TS]

01:38:50   like three years at least and and even [TS]

01:38:52   the last one was even a fairly minor [TS]

01:38:54   update i mean like i i'm i'm pretty sure [TS]

01:38:56   that was not that was not like a huge [TS]

01:38:59   array of the company compared to [TS]

01:39:00   something like the car and I think it's [TS]

01:39:02   this is a very different level of [TS]

01:39:04   investment focus so to say like oh well [TS]

01:39:06   you guys complain when they break the [TS]

01:39:08   mac but then you know you want to keep [TS]

01:39:10   making writers are monitors like yeah [TS]

01:39:12   that the writers are monitors division [TS]

01:39:14   is really a lot smaller than the mac [TS]

01:39:15   division and it's you know they're [TS]

01:39:17   spending money on lots of things like [TS]

01:39:20   like you know and as as a as Jason and [TS]

01:39:23   my talk about an upgrade this week like [TS]

01:39:25   they're still making ipods multiple [TS]

01:39:28   models of ipods someone still buying [TS]

01:39:31   them but like do you think the ipod [TS]

01:39:33   business is really that much healthier [TS]

01:39:35   than like monitors and airport streams [TS]

01:39:38   combined [TS]

01:39:39   it probably is healthier but by how much [TS]

01:39:40   like they still do that they're still [TS]

01:39:43   happy to sell those I honestly don't [TS]

01:39:45   know why [TS]

01:39:46   and as I mentioned before like if they [TS]

01:39:48   could get rid of the ipod business they [TS]

01:39:50   could get rid of a lot of iTunes which [TS]

01:39:52   would help itunes be less terrible so [TS]

01:39:55   like there's even reasons why they [TS]

01:39:57   should get rid of that but they're still [TS]

01:39:58   doing that because it's still making [TS]

01:40:00   money i guess you know and so I don't [TS]

01:40:03   know their decisions on what to complete [TS]

01:40:05   what you to support and and what to [TS]

01:40:07   prioritize and what products should ship [TS]

01:40:10   and what products never see the light of [TS]

01:40:11   day [TS]

01:40:12   it's hard for us to judge because we're [TS]

01:40:14   not in there you know we don't know [TS]

01:40:15   everything they're doing we don't know [TS]

01:40:16   that the decision-making why they make [TS]

01:40:18   them and the data they have and and you [TS]

01:40:21   know what they base their decisions on [TS]

01:40:22   we don't know any of those things you're [TS]

01:40:23   trying to kill the ipod aren't you [TS]

01:40:25   you talked about the yeah like they're [TS]

01:40:27   making a lot of money with Wi-Fi routers [TS]

01:40:28   now you're like I don't understand [TS]

01:40:30   whether still well I guess that means [TS]

01:40:31   everybody as you're listening to this [TS]

01:40:33   wait about a week and then apple [TS]

01:40:35   announced that is no longer making the [TS]

01:40:36   ipod thanks a lot Margo that they're [TS]

01:40:37   gonna go through one more holiday season [TS]

01:40:39   with the icon they're not going to cure [TS]

01:40:40   it's not going to kill it after Black [TS]

01:40:42   Friday lastly I think we'll one of the [TS]

01:40:45   things although a lot of people when [TS]

01:40:47   they saw the the airport then cancel [TS]

01:40:49   they said like well I guess the ipod [TS]

01:40:50   touch not long for this world like [TS]

01:40:51   honestly one of the things that I think [TS]

01:40:53   is keeping the ipod around is the fact [TS]

01:40:54   that it's called ipod that name has such [TS]

01:40:56   residents with Apple same reason to keep [TS]

01:40:58   calling these computers imax now that [TS]

01:40:59   they're you know have barely anything in [TS]

01:41:02   common with the original candy-colored [TS]

01:41:03   thing but as I think about the ecosystem [TS]

01:41:06   argument and the reversal effects like [TS]

01:41:08   that I feel like in this case it's also [TS]

01:41:11   slightly tied up with the mac being [TS]

01:41:15   emphasized you know from the perspective [TS]

01:41:18   of of mac enthusiasts because the iOS [TS]

01:41:22   side of things they have an ecosystem [TS]

01:41:25   apple makes iOS devices and update some [TS]

01:41:27   regularly they make battery cases they [TS]

01:41:29   make front cases they make back cases [TS]

01:41:31   for them they make you know styluses [TS]

01:41:34   they make keyboards that you know the [TS]

01:41:36   ecosystem if you were to buy iOS device [TS]

01:41:38   apple will sell you almost everything [TS]

01:41:40   that you can use it also you watch the [TS]

01:41:43   you can use with your iOS is available [TS]

01:41:45   they will sell you all sorts of things [TS]

01:41:47   there in businesses in the iOS side that [TS]

01:41:51   we didn't think they would ever get into [TS]

01:41:52   there is an iOS device ecosystem and yes [TS]

01:41:55   Apple ones are usually not it's not the [TS]

01:41:56   best months and are more expensive but [TS]

01:41:58   if you just want to go all Apple you [TS]

01:42:00   know and the do-good many people made [TS]

01:42:02   their also in a dongle ecosystem if you [TS]

01:42:04   just want to go all apple for the most [TS]

01:42:05   part you can just go lay down a couple [TS]

01:42:07   hundred bucks and a lot of white dongles [TS]

01:42:09   except for the ones that belt makes but [TS]

01:42:10   anyway iOS seems to be treated now like [TS]

01:42:14   the mac used to like they're making the [TS]

01:42:16   equivalent of printers for for the iOS [TS]

01:42:18   devices that they will make every [TS]

01:42:21   accessory that you could recently helped [TS]

01:42:22   to have when I was over they bought a [TS]

01:42:24   headphone company so you could plug your [TS]

01:42:26   headphones into your iOS device I have [TS]

01:42:27   pants like that ecosystem is healthy [TS]

01:42:30   it's just because we're over here on the [TS]

01:42:32   mac side and for whatever reason we we [TS]

01:42:34   adopt the Wi-Fi things as part of the [TS]

01:42:36   mac ecosystem because they existed [TS]

01:42:37   before you know any of the iOS stuff [TS]

01:42:40   existed right and certainly the monitors [TS]

01:42:43   are maxing and everything like that it [TS]

01:42:45   feels like the mac side is having its [TS]

01:42:47   ecosystem d contentedly and everything [TS]

01:42:50   and but the iOS side [TS]

01:42:52   I mean it's holding steady isn't like [TS]

01:42:53   they're expanding did not like we see [TS]

01:42:55   the Apple have device based on iOS quite [TS]

01:42:57   yet but that's why I feel like this this [TS]

01:43:00   position almost feels like another stab [TS]

01:43:02   at the mac ecosystem and not so much as [TS]

01:43:04   the apple ecosystem that it really did [TS]

01:43:06   it's really telling people we talked [TS]

01:43:08   about the apple ecosystem reverse halo [TS]

01:43:09   effect whatever the apple ecosystem is [TS]

01:43:11   not the mac ecosystem hasn't been for a [TS]

01:43:13   long time for certain people people of a [TS]

01:43:15   certain age as they say in France then [TS]

01:43:18   the apple ecosystem is synonymous with [TS]

01:43:20   the mac ecosystem even though the [TS]

01:43:22   numbers have not supported that for you [TS]

01:43:24   know years and years and years so that's [TS]

01:43:26   that's one reason that I think a lot of [TS]

01:43:29   the same people who are upset about [TS]

01:43:30   neglecting the mac and not making [TS]

01:43:33   monitors are also upset about the Wi-Fi [TS]

01:43:35   think back a lot of people said to me I [TS]

01:43:36   wasn't really that upset about monitors [TS]

01:43:37   but this this Airport thing is really [TS]

01:43:39   hit me hard you know I think people [TS]

01:43:41   losing sleep over the airport things as [TS]

01:43:42   well he even though this is a three year [TS]

01:43:44   old crappy product [TS]

01:43:45   yeah so I think we're just gonna have to [TS]

01:43:48   take our lumps in this one and hope that [TS]

01:43:50   all this redirected effort doesn't get [TS]

01:43:53   funneled into like new colors of battery [TS]

01:43:56   cases for iOS devices that's not the [TS]

01:43:58   ecosystem we want to see this ever [TS]

01:43:59   redirected and early [TS]

01:44:00   I don't mean anything to us like I i [TS]

01:44:02   don't really have strong thoughts on the [TS]

01:44:05   matter is being discontinued and I don't [TS]

01:44:07   really have strong thoughts on the weird [TS]

01:44:09   new product every book they launched i [TS]

01:44:12   just i do as i said earlier like I do [TS]

01:44:14   worry about the the overall picture here [TS]

01:44:16   does this indicate a trend going the [TS]

01:44:20   wrong way and I think we we are seeing [TS]

01:44:23   again we were seeing so many things that [TS]

01:44:26   just seemed like we have to really [TS]

01:44:28   interpret them charitably in order to to [TS]

01:44:31   avoid the conclusion that things are [TS]

01:44:34   going in a direction that that we that [TS]

01:44:36   might not be good for us or it might be [TS]

01:44:39   good for apple [TS]

01:44:40   well don't worry if you think about it [TS]

01:44:42   the soon-to-be prior airport express was [TS]

01:44:48   kind of cylindrical towery looking thing [TS]

01:44:51   right and that looks almost like a [TS]

01:44:53   trashcan mac pros so therefore you're [TS]

01:44:55   clear to get new mac pro's any second [TS]

01:44:57   now [TS]

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01:45:25   because it was accidental was accidental [TS]

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01:45:41   yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [TS]

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01:45:53   at Syracuse is [TS]

01:46:08   we did you guys both watch Grand Tour i [TS]

01:46:13   did did I i posted a I don't know if I'd [TS]

01:46:18   call it a review but i guess was a [TS]

01:46:19   review of the first episode on my [TS]

01:46:21   website it is possible that by the time [TS]

01:46:24   this episode is released that the second [TS]

01:46:26   episode will be out but in summary there [TS]

01:46:30   were things that I didn't like which i'm [TS]

01:46:32   sure we'll talk about but by and large I [TS]

01:46:36   thought was freaking great i'll and i [TS]

01:46:37   loved it [TS]

01:46:38   yeah I i also i was very pleased that I [TS]

01:46:43   I didn't think some parts like some of [TS]

01:46:45   the in studio bits I thought dragged on [TS]

01:46:47   a little long [TS]

01:46:48   mm-hmm but I do kind of like sorry we're [TS]

01:46:52   gonna do a spoiler honk or something are [TS]

01:46:55   you are spoiling that haha like this [TS]

01:46:57   boiling it's just a grantor come on it's [TS]

01:47:01   it's going to be spoiled so if you [TS]

01:47:03   haven't seen it at this point at the [TS]

01:47:05   very least if you haven't seen the first [TS]

01:47:07   five or so minutes at least watch that [TS]

01:47:10   much and then come back to the show yeah [TS]

01:47:12   so anyway big spoiler hunk the whole bit [TS]

01:47:17   in the middle with like the celebrities [TS]

01:47:19   I kind of that did go on very long but [TS]

01:47:22   anyway and it was really cheesy but I do [TS]

01:47:24   kind of think like I mean I'll be honest [TS]

01:47:27   like you know I've never been as bigger [TS]

01:47:28   talk to your fans UKC and every single [TS]

01:47:31   time they would sit down and do the [TS]

01:47:33   celebrity interview i would skip that [TS]

01:47:34   entire section i would just fast-forward [TS]

01:47:36   over it until I got to the end and then [TS]

01:47:38   go back to go back to the fun segment [TS]

01:47:40   we're back in the car doing stuff i [TS]

01:47:41   never cared about the celebrity [TS]

01:47:43   interviews at also if there is little [TS]

01:47:45   thing that they did here looks kind of [TS]

01:47:47   indicated that they might be killing off [TS]

01:47:49   the segment I consider that a feature [TS]

01:47:51   that that's great i I'm looking forward [TS]

01:47:53   to that I i do also before we get into [TS]

01:47:56   anything else about the show [TS]

01:47:58   I've seen a number of people over the [TS]

01:48:00   last few days ask me about my / our [TS]

01:48:03   support of a show that features Jeremy [TS]

01:48:05   Clarkson who has done things that are [TS]

01:48:08   you know controversial and in many ways [TS]

01:48:10   offensive and what how can we have that [TS]

01:48:15   point of view where we where we like we [TS]

01:48:17   enjoy and support the show he's on while [TS]

01:48:19   being anti Donald Trump [TS]

01:48:21   for instance because he has made [TS]

01:48:24   comments in the past that i believe were [TS]

01:48:27   slightly racist i honestly am not that [TS]

01:48:30   familiar with with whatever the [TS]

01:48:31   controversies around him have been [TS]

01:48:32   besides the more recent thing where he [TS]

01:48:34   beat up somebody about a steak or [TS]

01:48:35   something but i will say my opinion of [TS]

01:48:38   the general answer to this is I would [TS]

01:48:41   not want Jeremy Clarkson being the [TS]

01:48:42   president of my country I but it's [TS]

01:48:45   totally it's totally reasonable to my [TS]

01:48:48   opinion to enjoy his television show is [TS]

01:48:51   so that is my insert of hat is that I [TS]

01:48:54   have very different standards for the [TS]

01:48:56   president of my country and a television [TS]

01:48:59   host and those used to be separate jobs [TS]

01:49:03   yep i completely agree and in moreover i [TS]

01:49:06   don't i think whenever we hear this sort [TS]

01:49:09   of angst nine times out of 10 it's [TS]

01:49:12   coming from someone who lives in the UK [TS]

01:49:13   and from what I can gather Clarkson [TS]

01:49:18   invades the UK popular media in a way [TS]

01:49:22   that he does not in the United States [TS]

01:49:24   and the only exposure that the three of [TS]

01:49:27   us [TS]

01:49:27   I'm speaking for you but the only [TS]

01:49:29   exposure the three of us really have to [TS]

01:49:31   Clarkson easy either [TS]

01:49:33   you know top gear in the past or Grand [TS]

01:49:35   Tour nail it so we don't see any of this [TS]

01:49:37   stuff that makes the media in the UK [TS]

01:49:41   that makes everyone just literally hate [TS]

01:49:43   him [TS]

01:49:44   we don't get to see any of that which [TS]

01:49:46   for and because of that I don't think he [TS]

01:49:50   bothers us in a way he very deeply [TS]

01:49:53   bothers a lot of the UK but it coming [TS]

01:49:56   back to the show I thought it was really [TS]

01:49:58   good i couldn't agree more i thought the [TS]

01:50:00   parts in the studio were pretty rough [TS]

01:50:04   I thought that the celebrity thing I [TS]

01:50:07   agree with you that the starter very [TS]

01:50:10   reasonably priced car was never my [TS]

01:50:11   favorite segments and oftentimes was [TS]

01:50:13   really hard to watch [TS]

01:50:15   oftentimes in a similar vein because it [TS]

01:50:18   was a it was somebody from the UK that I [TS]

01:50:20   didn't have the faintest idea who it was [TS]

01:50:22   and so I would not shed tears if [TS]

01:50:25   starting reasonably priced car went away [TS]

01:50:27   I mean obviously would have a different [TS]

01:50:28   name anyhow I thought the the stick [TS]

01:50:32   about the air force was not very funny [TS]

01:50:35   at all in the same way that the [TS]

01:50:36   celebrity thing was not very funny at [TS]

01:50:38   all now by the time this episode is out [TS]

01:50:41   i doubt that the latest analog will be [TS]

01:50:44   out but i will put a link in the show [TS]

01:50:46   notes that will be broken until that [TS]

01:50:48   episode was released but anyway Mike and [TS]

01:50:51   I spoke about this on analog at the end [TS]

01:50:53   of that episode and Mike thought both of [TS]

01:50:56   those were hilarious and and what he had [TS]

01:50:58   said to me which is the same theory i [TS]

01:50:59   had was maybe it's just some like [TS]

01:51:02   british humor thing that he's wired for [TS]

01:51:04   in that we are not but I did not find [TS]

01:51:07   those segments funny at all now he just [TS]

01:51:09   has a bad sense of humor that wasn't fun [TS]

01:51:10   haha [TS]

01:51:12   there's no there's no planet there's no [TS]

01:51:14   country there's no anywhere that like I [TS]

01:51:16   mean it wasn't like the most painful [TS]

01:51:18   thing in the world but it didn't land [TS]

01:51:19   like it was ill-advised it was not a [TS]

01:51:21   good concept it was not executed well [TS]

01:51:23   just it was it was all sorts of wrong it [TS]

01:51:26   should not have they no just no i mean [TS]

01:51:31   like Amy it didn't give another example [TS]

01:51:32   the shooting of celebrities also [TS]

01:51:34   probably ill-advised but at least the [TS]

01:51:36   execution was slightly better like they [TS]

01:51:38   tried to redeem with execution whereas [TS]

01:51:40   the air force stuff like a bad idea also [TS]

01:51:42   bad execution also you're a bad person [TS]

01:51:44   should feel bad [TS]

01:51:45   also both arguments were like about [TS]

01:51:48   fifty percent longer than they should [TS]

01:51:50   have been no that's more than the [TS]

01:51:51   badness and more like it's just that you [TS]

01:51:53   know it's like the SNL sketch where it's [TS]

01:51:55   not working it's like well we gotta play [TS]

01:51:56   this thing out right now and just gonna [TS]

01:51:58   fix it in editing like we all know we're [TS]

01:52:00   watching at no no it's not just like but [TS]

01:52:04   I'm Clarkson comes out with the little [TS]

01:52:05   trickle of blood in a space like this is [TS]

01:52:07   the guy who just punch someone in the [TS]

01:52:08   face and fired from his job and this is [TS]

01:52:10   where you're going to go with this joke [TS]

01:52:11   that he's in a fistfight with the [TS]

01:52:12   audience [TS]

01:52:13   no yeah no no good i bought by contrast [TS]

01:52:17   however I thought the opening three or [TS]

01:52:20   four minutes were perfect just freaking [TS]

01:52:24   perfect from the first frame until they [TS]

01:52:27   jumped out of the cars at the at the at [TS]

01:52:30   the was it burning van I thought that [TS]

01:52:32   entire segment was just perfect and [TS]

01:52:35   yellows Clarkson leaving the BBC [TS]

01:52:37   headquarters are believed it was anyway [TS]

01:52:39   and when it was rainy and dreary because [TS]

01:52:41   well London and then he goes to Heathrow [TS]

01:52:44   gets on a plane to LAX he comes out of [TS]

01:52:46   Los Angeles and there's a little bit of [TS]

01:52:48   a [TS]

01:52:48   piano riff going it's kind of sad and [TS]

01:52:51   and then he finds himself this bespoke [TS]

01:52:54   mustang and he pulls out and then you [TS]

01:52:56   realize it's i forget the name of the [TS]

01:52:58   song but you know it's about a sunshiny [TS]

01:53:01   days [TS]

01:53:01   John's name of the song remember what [TS]

01:53:04   song would ya something about its a [TS]

01:53:06   bright sunshiny day I can see clearly [TS]

01:53:08   now the rain is gone [TS]

01:53:09   yeah yeah exactly it doesn't matter i [TS]

01:53:12   figured jon renau but the point being [TS]

01:53:13   you know it's you can hear the lyrics [TS]

01:53:15   about yes I can see clearly now the rain [TS]

01:53:16   is gone and then Clarkson goes driving [TS]

01:53:18   into the desert by himself in this blue [TS]

01:53:20   mustang and then suddenly he looks to [TS]

01:53:21   his left and he looks to his right and [TS]

01:53:23   he and you just see maybe he was acting [TS]

01:53:26   who knows because clearly he knew this [TS]

01:53:27   was going to happen but he just [TS]

01:53:29   genuinely seems so happy and he looks [TS]

01:53:33   over it may and he looks over at hammond [TS]

01:53:36   and all three they look so happy in [TS]

01:53:38   their red white and blue mustang such [TS]

01:53:39   i'm going to take as an American [TS]

01:53:40   reference even though i am well aware [TS]

01:53:41   that the union jack has the same same [TS]

01:53:43   colors and they drive into this desert [TS]

01:53:45   where these Mustangs can run free just [TS]

01:53:48   like the other horses do and they drive [TS]

01:53:50   up to burning van and and the first [TS]

01:53:53   words that are really said or they're [TS]

01:53:54   making fun of each other for getting [TS]

01:53:56   fired from everything I just I thought [TS]

01:53:57   the whole opening was perfect and [TS]

01:53:59   perhaps more importantly John you [TS]

01:54:02   finally had your moment you finally had [TS]

01:54:05   those three cars together [TS]

01:54:06   what did you think well i have had some [TS]

01:54:08   complaints about the show before we do [TS]

01:54:12   that I don't get a slightly different [TS]

01:54:13   take on on the opening like okay I know [TS]

01:54:16   what they're going for the opening and [TS]

01:54:19   they were they were not patting [TS]

01:54:21   themselves on the back too much but by [TS]

01:54:24   the same token there was a little bit of [TS]

01:54:27   a tone as if they were wrong or Jeremy [TS]

01:54:32   was wrong somehow and that he can see [TS]

01:54:35   that I was wrong and must end is forced [TS]

01:54:38   to set out on his own and find a new [TS]

01:54:41   happiness and he was not wrong [TS]

01:54:43   he was in the wrong and didn't I great [TS]

01:54:45   particularly remorseful about it like [TS]

01:54:48   the tone was we had a bad thing happen [TS]

01:54:51   to us and we're going to pick ourselves [TS]

01:54:53   up by our bootstraps and come back which [TS]

01:54:56   is a good story but not what actually [TS]

01:54:58   happened right here in this for me [TS]

01:55:02   alright I don't want to go to par- [TS]

01:55:03   populated with and I think they're there [TS]

01:55:06   in a difficult position because what [TS]

01:55:09   they want to be doing is still doing Top [TS]

01:55:11   Gear right that's what they would like [TS]

01:55:13   to be doing but they're not they've got [TS]

01:55:14   to do this other thing and so and they [TS]

01:55:16   acknowledge that they like you know they [TS]

01:55:18   do all the jokes about like they have [TS]

01:55:19   segments and they have you know like all [TS]

01:55:21   the things from Top Gear that they can [TS]

01:55:23   have without using the names maybe with [TS]

01:55:26   a slight twist they don't like try to [TS]

01:55:28   play it off as like what just happened [TS]

01:55:29   to be doing these things that are a lot [TS]

01:55:30   like Top Gear like they have to [TS]

01:55:32   acknowledge it but but it's difficult to [TS]

01:55:34   difficult to find what is this new show [TS]

01:55:37   if it's not just like top gear but not [TS]

01:55:40   top gear but slightly worse probably in [TS]

01:55:42   a couple ways we may be better and you [TS]

01:55:43   too so I it's a difficult tightrope [TS]

01:55:46   there now as for the segments that I [TS]

01:55:48   actually care about on the show which is [TS]

01:55:50   them doing car stuff they did get the [TS]

01:55:52   three cars there and I was ready to tear [TS]

01:55:56   my hair out watching the three-time try [TS]

01:55:57   to get those cars off the line to a drag [TS]

01:55:59   race haha i know is it is a bit right [TS]

01:56:03   but like I don't want to see you Pam [TS]

01:56:06   fisted people pretending to be [TS]

01:56:08   handfasted or really bi i would think [TS]

01:56:11   they'd probably really were handfasted a [TS]

01:56:12   lot of the cases but some of them [TS]

01:56:13   obviously the other doing it on purpose [TS]

01:56:14   i want to know how you know how the cars [TS]

01:56:18   go and they do they have their driver [TS]

01:56:20   and they did read them around the track [TS]

01:56:21   and they eventually kind of read it but [TS]

01:56:22   like I feel like this car [TS]

01:56:26   everything about this card test segment [TS]

01:56:28   was not up to the best of top gear [TS]

01:56:32   either the best of single host reviews [TS]

01:56:34   because I've enjoyed a lot of single [TS]

01:56:35   host reviews when that you know one [TS]

01:56:37   person just tries out the car and talks [TS]

01:56:39   about it or the best multi host things [TS]

01:56:41   the the camera shots like that you know [TS]

01:56:45   just it didn't look like Top Gear [TS]

01:56:47   exactly look good [TS]

01:56:48   it wasn't bad but top gear and set such [TS]

01:56:50   a high bar for these you know [TS]

01:56:52   beautifully shot moody raining misty [TS]

01:56:54   things with with an overarching theme [TS]

01:56:56   like I feel like that the good top gear [TS]

01:56:58   car thing is like my OS 10 reviews were [TS]

01:57:00   like you try to weave a story throughout [TS]

01:57:02   the thing doesn't inherently have a [TS]

01:57:03   story even it's just the story is the [TS]

01:57:05   story of your opinion of this car right [TS]

01:57:07   it it's a high bar I don't think they [TS]

01:57:10   like they met it with this and I was [TS]

01:57:12   annoyed by [TS]

01:57:14   their shenanigans when really they [TS]

01:57:16   should have been getting on with the car [TS]

01:57:18   parts of it and also nothing i'm annoyed [TS]

01:57:21   by but i have slight disagreement with [TS]

01:57:23   their like they're leveling decision so [TS]

01:57:26   we put them all on the same tires but we [TS]

01:57:28   didn't level a bunch of other things I [TS]

01:57:30   don't know I the upshot of this to spoil [TS]

01:57:33   the end of this three hypercar thing the [TS]

01:57:35   upshot is it's a non result exist within [TS]

01:57:38   the margin of error right because they [TS]

01:57:40   were all within like fractions of a [TS]

01:57:42   second of each other and you just feel [TS]

01:57:44   like even though all the same driver and [TS]

01:57:46   every car [TS]

01:57:47   it may be that drivers better at Haddad [TS]

01:57:51   dealing with four wheel drive cars maybe [TS]

01:57:52   the course had more tight turns its own [TS]

01:57:54   favorite the Porsche maybe like no other [TS]

01:57:55   little parts came in last I think it [TS]

01:57:59   seemed model to me i'm glad that so much [TS]

01:58:01   of the car was so much of the show was [TS]

01:58:03   car reviews but it seemed a little bit [TS]

01:58:04   muddled i can understand that I'm said [TS]

01:58:07   you're ruining the opening for me [TS]

01:58:08   because i really do think it was [TS]

01:58:09   freaking isn't running like it just you [TS]

01:58:11   know if I had to pick in it and like it [TS]

01:58:13   was it it takes away from like being [TS]

01:58:15   able to share in their in their triumph [TS]

01:58:17   right and also like the idea of them [TS]

01:58:19   driving across the desert with a bunch [TS]

01:58:20   of yokels with their cars all the dust [TS]

01:58:22   that was like you just ruin your cross [TS]

01:58:23   with all the dust [TS]

01:58:24   o course just that exact words like [TS]

01:58:26   someone someone had a vector in there [TS]

01:58:28   it's like don't try the vector across [TS]

01:58:29   the desert you're just that's it's like [TS]

01:58:31   a museum piece [TS]

01:58:32   you know go and he said that belongs in [TS]

01:58:34   a museum doesn't belong covered with [TS]

01:58:36   dust that's why your phone as a case of [TS]

01:58:39   the Ferrari expecting a Porsche came in [TS]

01:58:41   first then the Ferrari and McLaren if [TS]

01:58:43   memory serves [TS]

01:58:44   anyway that was always the fear with the [TS]

01:58:46   other vendors like four wheel drive is a [TS]

01:58:48   big advantage in anything that has lots [TS]

01:58:50   of tight turns but you can you know get [TS]

01:58:52   on the power soon after them and so it's [TS]

01:58:54   almost as if you could you could put a [TS]

01:58:56   particular Carly by picking the course [TS]

01:58:58   right i mean because you know the [TS]

01:58:59   Ferrari had the best power-to-weight [TS]

01:59:01   ratio so if you pick the courseware [TS]