The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► anything we talked you don't talk [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► politics for a while oh my god John [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► siracusa tell me about your 4k display [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► or displays if you please [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► yeah this is not really related to the [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► mac pro and apples getting out of this [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► play business and all that business but [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► it's strangely connected so I've got the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► got a ps4 pro now and one of the [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► features of the ps4 pro is that it [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► theoretically supports 4k four games [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► four games that are updated to support [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► in that actually do support it and I [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► figure since i am keeping my all ps4 and [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► they have a game are with it as well I [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► needed a new monitor for the new one [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► because neither one of these is gonna be [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► hooked up to my TV for display burn-in [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► reasons so when I was going to get new [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► monitor think I get a 4k one because hey [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► this the playstation 4 pro is supposed [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► to be all you know for Campbell so [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► that's what i should do it so I shopped [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► around for 4k monitor that support HDR [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► which is another feature of the ps4 pro [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► actually maybe they packed back part of [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► that to the beautiful psy remember [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► anyway apparently it's impossible to [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► find an HDR capable 4k computer monitor [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► you can find TVs obviously but I wasn't [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► looking for TV and and/or and also the [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► size inflation of tvs that happened [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► maybe three years ago four years ago [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► where any decent TV is now I get at [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► least 55 inches you I'm fearing the day [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► that someday you won't be able to get [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► one less than 65 inches like the minimum [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► size for a decent TV is gonna have to [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► move you get you can buy yourself [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► can I get a 27 inch 4k TV with HDR the [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► answer is no no you can't you want a [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► 55-inch got one of those for you anyway [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► no HDR but he didn't get 4k so I shopped [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► around a little bit i hate doing this [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► cuz I don't like a million different [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► products and then the in the non-apple [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► world so much selection is overwhelming [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► ended up getting a viewsonic great [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► programs XG 2704 k display which is [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► really nice especially like the the [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► stand it came with his like [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► height-adjustable was very sturdy get [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► the water itself is a little chunky and [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► a little bit gamer looking like [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► jessica is black with like a red stripe [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► and he's silly my wasn't word this is [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► not only expensive but your whining [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► about the LG display and the way that [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► looks and this has freakin red trim on [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► it are you serious John Syracuse's the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► racing stripes that make it go faster [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► man this is not my mac obviously with [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► playstation 4 have you seen with the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► playstation 4 itself looks like this is [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► hitting don't care this is truly [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► terrible call it the LG ultra fine is it [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► is not a pretty monitor I'm not trying [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► to say it's pretty but it's positively [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► understated compared to this atrocity [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► and does not that I mean if you look at [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► it it's basically just completely black [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► around the display and all you can see [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► when you're sitting in front of it is [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► the two little red side things [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► understand and you can't even see the [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► red stripe on the vertical thing because [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► it gets covered up i have a monitor [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► anyway that's what I got all and it was [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► alright all of these pc gaming monitors [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► have been like on screen you know [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► adjustments on the device itself that [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► had nothing to do with things connected [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► to it so on the device itself you can [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► adjust like brightness and contrast but [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► also a million other settings some of [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► which are strange through every way you [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► can imagine to be like the worst [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► on-screen controls you know you know [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► what they put the grainy sort of [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► bitmapped little menu thing and only [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► have like a the viewsonic has like a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► one-in-two button like the one brings up [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► the menu the two goes into it and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► there's up and down arrows so bad it's [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► terrible interfaces it's kinda like [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► going back in time to like when [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► televisions first got on screen displays [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► OSD they call them on-screen display [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► which doesn't really mean that stands [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► for on screens but anyway I believe [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► that's right it doesn't make it on where [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► else with the display be on screen [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► display and this is very i'm still [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► looking this monitor i mean like i [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► should point out like I like many [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► tastefully designed pc monitors I like [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► viewsonic and you so i have owned [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► multiple viewsonic monitors they are [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► really good usually I like red even read [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► is one of my favorite colors for things [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► to be in even though Trump ruined [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► red-hats forever but I look at this [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► monitor and i cannot even imagine buying [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► this thing and having this on my desk I [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► could not agree more you should look at [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► just look at the monitor part of it like [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► that the stand but just the [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► monitor from the front it is literally a [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► matte black rectangle with the word you [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► sonic on the bottom like that's pretty [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► much as plain as you can get [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► well if but you you will know that I and [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► if you're not seeing the red stripe on [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the back your monitor is probably too [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► low [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► well i mean i guess you can see a little [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► tiny bit of it but you don't notice it [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and then like the stand among stands you [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► don't know how how deep this thing goes [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► go look at some of the stands of other [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► pc and gaming monitor just do do me a [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► favor do me a favor get get up get her [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► face arm and have that hold this up and [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► today I know I'm getting to that [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► I'm getting to the beasts are ok I'll [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► get that is it visa right visa at all [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► these lives [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► I'm gonna save ISA and it's definitely a [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► move file and you mispronounced [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► everything so I don't understand how you [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► besmirch the the 5k monitor as an [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► atrocity that you would never be able to [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► use ever and then you buy this piece of [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► garbage [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► how do you think do you think I would [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► never take this to my Mac what [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► difference does it make oh it makes a [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► difference i would never connect this [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► time academia to be on the same desk is [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► my mac i love you have lower standards [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► for the other like the pc but maybe we [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► won't show you before and not only [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► before i do i don't i don't disagree but [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► you really have no choice like you have [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► to happen [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► I understand me but you have no choice [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► if there is no like nice tasteful pc [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► hardware for the most part even even [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► things like the HP spectre are really [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► you know I see they're putting in an [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► effort but it's not [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► not to my taste anyway let me continue [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► my story here so i got this thing and [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► the adjustments on over are very strange [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► i'm trying to get it sort of calibrated [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► to something reasonable but they have [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► all sorts of settings most of which fly [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► in the face of my television snob [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► sensibilities because the television you [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► want to adjust like you trying that [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► there is a goal there is like you can [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► get reference images and say it should [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► look like this you know because it [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► television content is produced with the [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► expectation that here is the color range [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► of your display here is the the the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► brightness Behavior all sorts of other [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► things like that whereas for a gaming [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► monitor specifically games are not [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► produced with any sort of reference [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► viewing environment right because there [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► is no real standard for that [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► things are produced I don't know how [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► they decide like how dr. the textures be [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► and you know what color range we use I'd [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► I really don't know what they use but i [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► can tell you that everybody's pc [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► monitors are not calibrated like [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► quote-unquote correctly and are all over [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► the map and there is a setting that [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► seems to be pervasive on all pc monitor [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► especially with the game bet they call [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► black stabilization have you ever even [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► heard of that know what why why is black [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► changing yeah so in games a lot of games [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► are made where they will be dark [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► sections were you like in a cave or [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► something but if you're playing a game [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► especially a competitive game you don't [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► actually want to quote unquote [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► faithfully reproduced the blacks because [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► you won't be able to see anything is it [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► is an advantage for you instead to have [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the monitor so that kind of i'm assuming [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► assuming it's like squashing everything [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► down psycho i can see the subtle [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► difference between a hundred percent [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► black and ninety-nine percent black [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► ninety-eight percent black and this cave [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► is important for me to see that so i can [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► pick out the edges of the cave walls [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► find where the enemies are whatever like [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► have you ever seen anyone do that [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► competitive first-person shooters in pc [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► gaming they're not trying to get visual [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► fidelity as if it's a movie or [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► television show what they're trying to [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► do is can I see everything clearly [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► so a lot of the monitors have settings [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that make the picture worse like by [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► reducing the the dynamic range and [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► making areas that would be black less [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► black which looks looks bad it's like a [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► bad black level in your TV and also all [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► the settings that are involved like [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► response time because that's the big [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► thing you a lot of gamers use TN panels [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► which nobody uses anymore because they [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► look terrible the viewing angles are [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► terrible but they have better response [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► time I've never gone that far i couldn't [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► get a tee and display because that's [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► like that means like going back to the [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► macbook air like no I mean you aren't an [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► animal right [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► so again I got an IPS display which does [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► it has a 25 times response time but even [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► on these displays a way you can change [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► the response time to be as good as it [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► can be doing what I assume is [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► sacrificing sacrificing visual quality [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► I'm trying to strike the right balance [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► between don't look terrible monitor but [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► also i do feel there's a benefit to not [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► having everything be black when i'm [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► doing the raid and one of the raids in [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► destiny [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► a lot of dark areas and I'm doing some [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► jumping puzzle in the dark [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► try to do something i like you know I do [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► have it adjusted quote-unquote wrong so [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► i can so the games play better [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► um so anyway I had a lot of trouble [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► trying to get the viewsonic set up that [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► way but the real problem was that for a [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► while my playstation 4 pro did not show [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► me a 4k output option that would just [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► output 1080p I'm like well that's not [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► what i want to i need you to output for [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► k so i did a bunch of googling the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► PlayStation says you know count-out [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► porque and it would say hdcp 2.2 not [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► available [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► I don't know if you guys are familiar [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► with hdcp but it's another one of those [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► stupid things that make you mine Morris [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► for no good reason [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► m and this monitor probably predates [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► hdcp 2.2 only sports like I figure with [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► the earlier standard is maybe 1.1 thru [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► 1.4 I don't know [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► anyway I had had a quote-unquote hdmi [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► 2.0 cable and everything it was good but [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► it didn't work with it and did some [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► googling you find people asking [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► viewsonic on Twitter hey does this [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► monitor support hdcp 2.2 they sorry no [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► oh my god only have to return this thing [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► get over monitor now it turns out you [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► can get it two games to display 4k on [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► this it has a bunch of hdmi ports on the [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► back and like so many televisions and [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► monitors before only one of the ports is [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► like the good one [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► so once i move the cable to the good [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► part the one and only good part which [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► isn't labeled with anything that says [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► hey this is the only one that does hdmi [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► 2.0 hey this is the only one that this [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► 4k but turns out there's only one that [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► does it [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► so I could display games in 4k on this [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► but I still wanted to get into the [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► monitor because this one still doesn't [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► support HD people to point to which [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► probably isn't a factor of playing games [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► but it doesn't mean like Netflix and [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► other stuff like that they want to [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► display video content won't do it on 4k [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► because it doesn't do the stupid [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► intellectual property copy-protection [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► dance just the right way for stupid [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► reasons so I return this one and grand [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► Marco fashion although this is just [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► plain all my fault of like I didn't I [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► didn't even think to look for hdcp 2.2 [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► Mike actually a gaming monitor this is [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► one of those has hdmi input i should be [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► good to go but and by the way I don't [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► usually return things usually i sell [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► them I thought about selling this is [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► because like the stupid restocking fee [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► on this was going to be a lot of money [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► online well i can sell it for more than [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► the restocking fee then there's [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► restocking fee i'll return for sure [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► it's just an issue of like I don't want [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► to like like I feel bad returning things [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► when I know someone else is gonna be [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► even the cost but if I'm definitely [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► eating the cost then i won't feel bad [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► about that anymore [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► yeah I was okay if i sold it to someone [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► else like a brand new monitor that it [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► like barely even touched the pic the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► little plastic films were stolen [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► thinking of the PLA plastic stuff that [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► protects yeah that was the one that's a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► brand-new you but if I could have sold [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► it for somebody for like maybe eighty [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► dollars less than i paid for it then I [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► still want to come out ahead anyway so I [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► returned that one and in its place [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► I got done and LG 4k display I don't [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► have an LG 5k display I now have an LG [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► 4k display doesn't have that weird [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► little head with the camera in it it is [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► not a fivehead take a look at it [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► hey what model is it the ridiculous i [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► just put the blanket ronson it is not a [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► fivehead it is more tame looking well [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► there's no edge there is it's just it's [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► just it's very thin but that it's you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► know so you notice this one is smaller [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► overall it comes in a very small boxes [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► case he noted the frame around it is [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► very small the panel is probably the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► same panel that's in like every LG 27 [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► inch 4k display that you can get right [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► now because they sell a whole bunch of [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► them with different letter suffixes on [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► them the little stand that it's on is [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► where the view sidekicks it's but [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► because the viewsonic stand was big [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► chunky height-adjustable and red and [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► stable right and this monitor if you [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► take your finger and put it into the [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► corner and tap upwards the monitor [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► baubles this little bobble head like [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► it's one of those little hula dolls you [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► put on dashboard or bobblehead figures [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► right it is the worst design standard [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► just connect with two screws that you're [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► screwing yourself to this little tight [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► you know thing in the back of it [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► terrible stand its ugly too i think that [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► little semicircle thing is ugly [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► it takes up more room on your desk with [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► wise and then that square thing that the [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► viewsonic know there's no red stripe but [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► it doesn't perform adequately the [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► function of keeping the monitor still so [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► if I bump my desk with my neon playing I [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► gotta watch stupid bobblehead bobble in [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► front of me now it does have a vesa [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► mount on the back and so I said all [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► right well whatever who cares about that [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► stand it's got you know [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► the hundred millimeter recent on the [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► back of the thing all i have to do is [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► find a sturdy vesa mount get rid of that [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► stupid foot and it used that but I don't [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► want an arm is that I want to clamp it [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► to my desk because I've glass on top of [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► my desk and I want to clamp onto my desk [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► isn't that you know and I just don't [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► want armed too much stuff going on back [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► there just want to stand and every [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► single visa stand i could find was [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► uglier than this foot [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► yeah you're not gonna not gonna have a [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► good time there they're terrible like [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the metal ones look like giant metal [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► horseshoes the plastic ones look just as [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► bad as this so I'm just gonna I'm just [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► you know not hitting my desk and being [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► careful and by the way the on-screen [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► controls those ones are better than the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► viewsonic but still pretty grim this one [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► has a tiny little joystick under the [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► middle that you move around [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► it's like kind of like a 5-way switch [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► you know you got up down left right and [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► press in but what boy what a terrible [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► interface and because it's the bottom [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► and you're wiggling a joystick [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that'sthat's like pointing down but [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► you're trying to move controls on the [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► screen that are going you know a [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► different plane up down left and right [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► and anyway i think this one looks a [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► little bit better the view sonics panel [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► quality wise or maybe it's just that I'm [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► having had more time to tweak it because [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► the adjustments are not so painful to [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► use in the menu but has all the same [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► crap including your response time [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► adjustment in which the value that you [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► want is high i don't want high response [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► time and but yet because of the way they [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► named these features and probably the [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► decor translation of the options i have [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► to look at the manual and say which one [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► do I want for the thing with the [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► response time numbers a lower number of [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► milliseconds so high that makes sense [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► why would you ever want to be slower i [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► was i think it decreases uh you know the [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► the quality of the display decreases the [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► added something i'm assuming the color [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► quality or something like it it's doing [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► less processing on the display and [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► probably you know it's it's trying to [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► not put as much computation between the [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► signal and the screen [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► same thing with is like a sharpness [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► thing that apply a sharpness filter and [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► especially when playing games in 1080 [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► like destiny is still just 1080 sharpen [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► filter does help make the text look [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► better but it adds processing overhead [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► so if you really want the best response [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► time i'm assuming that the best option [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► is to turn the sharpest all the way down [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► which is what I've done anyway i was [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► able to adjust this to get a look [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► little bit better to my eyes then the [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► viewsonic and now i'm just patiently [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► waiting for 4k games to come up so i do [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► not have this exact same honor I was [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► mistaken for a couple different reasons [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► 1i i'm pretty sure two different models [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► so you got the ud 68 hyphen p [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► I got the ud 58 hyphen be and that's the [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► key bozell on mine is considerably [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► larger than the bozell on yours also you [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► chose poorly [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► if this is ever going to get connected [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► to a computer if you're if you're ever [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► going to connect to computer 4k is not [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► enough DPI for 27 inches [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► you should have gotten 5k yeah i'm not [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► american gangster computer computer [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► connected to my gaming pc well you could [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► connected to your piece of garbage mac [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► in theory and then actually have a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► random act no I would this also is never [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► going to be connected to a mac i love [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► that all this trouble you're going [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► through I mean this is all like this [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► crazy stuff you're going through and [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► having this whole separate desk setup [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► that of course this one going to your [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► mac and everything and having this pc [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► monitor all this and yet you won't build [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► a gaming pc like you're basically doing [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► equally you're putting in all the effort [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► that it would take to have a game no CA [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the PlayStation is way less effort than [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► a gaming pc way less than all I mean [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► once you get into all this crazy monitor [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► twiddling you're doing I mean really [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► like you might like why is there not a [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► gaming pc on this second second to your [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► desk that you have the game bc would not [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► do it there's no destiny for pc yellow [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► destiny to maybe coming to pc fans [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► anyway there's no destiny for bc us [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► guardian for pc there's no uncharted 4 [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► BC that like I need to have this this is [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► the thing that I need their gaming pc [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► does not replace this in any possible [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► especially since the only thing I do [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► with my console players play like a [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► handful of games that are essentially [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► console exclusives even on my nintendo [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► consoles there's no gaming pc is going [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► to play an XL the game right that's what [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► i buy these things for so i would have [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► to have a gaming pc in addition to this [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► and there's no report and it's way more [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► headache honest you know I didn't mind [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► the 4k think i was excited to get a 4k [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► monitor and play games that resolution i [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► do a few games that have [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► that had updates that came out which [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► really just makes things a little bit [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► sharper because i like they redid all [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► the textures for the most part I think [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► over watches for can now I haven't [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► looked at yet but anyway there's a bunch [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► of games there and having been a the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► playstation vr yet but i'm considering [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► getting that but now i'm i'm pretty [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► happy with the setup [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► oh my mom about the ps4 probe the only [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► complaint I have about it and I realize [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► you probably just complain to sony and [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► get this fixed the one controller that [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► the ps4 pro came with the left analog [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► stick if you look at it like from the [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► side is tilted in the neutral position [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► ever so slightly and then I'm gonna have [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► any of that so i'm using my old i'm [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► using my old girl shocked because they [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► didn't change the controller anything [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► has changed like the buttons are now [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► like ugly gray instead of a black and [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► thick maybe triggers might be a little [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► bit better anyway I'm gonna complain to [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► Sony's look at this thing out of the box [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► I've never touched it [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► the in the in the neutral position all [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► these analog sticks should be straight [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► up and down this one is tilted to give [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► me a new thing I'm sure Sony will be [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► happy to do that for me [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► oh I'm sure on the one side John I truly [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► genuinely admire how perceptive you are [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► and how you can notice these little [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► oh you would notice it's not like oh [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► this is obscured only notice that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► they're like a out of level or a plumb [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► bob you've noticed with your eyeballs it [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► is not not subtle but with that said I [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► am so glad that i am at worst mildly [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► critical and hypercritical pqr this [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► little conversation i'm sitting here [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► thinking thank God [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► this is one area I don't really care [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► about like I don't care about gaming [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► really at all i'd like to but i don't i [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► barely care about tvs i barely care [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► about TV adjustments in picture quality [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► judgments and everything I am just I I [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► certainly don't care about analog sticks [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► being slightly tilted from neutral i am [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► just so happy that I'd like there's so [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► many areas that I care way too much [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► about at least here's one that I don't [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► yep i'm not i'm not carving my own [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► analog sticks out of plastic that be the [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► equivalent of you roasting your own [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► beans a person remains is really not [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► that hard and it's really good i know [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► but like it [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► it is one thing to be picky about the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► things that you buy but at a certain [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► point you said there's nothing I can buy [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► I must I must make it myself and that [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► would be going to be carving my own [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► controllers and I got a controller [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► assembly kit and like making my own [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► analog sticks in like assembling [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► different pieces you try to find good [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► coffee on this half of the county i [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► guarantee you can't find it [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► there's no good control is either but I [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► just accept what they only ones i just [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► wanted to be like you know correct as a [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► when it comes out-of-the-box everything [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► should be straight if you could make [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► your imperfect controller for five [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► dollars in 20 minutes when you do it it [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and then i have to drink it and it's [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► gone i gotta do it all over again and [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► the analogy is breaking down all right [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► so anyway um this this monitor that you [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► bought John is not HDR is that correct [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► now it's not it's not one of the because [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► that's why you bought that god-awful red [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► racing stripe to be Sonic was to get are [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► none of them are no you can't get as [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► performers are there there are none for [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► sale there is no there is no gaming [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► monitor like that you can get a TV with [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► HD are you get a 4k TV with hdmi port [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► for ps4 pro but as far as I was able to [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► determine there is no monitor computer [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► monitor that you can buy as in the thing [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► that's 27 inches not 55 you put a desk [TS]

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00:22:31 ◼   ► ah can you guys see the difference [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► between wide color and not because maybe [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I've just never really had a good [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► example photo and like two screens next [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► to each other but briefly before I gave [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► up my success when I have but I did have [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► my seven i held the two of them [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► side-by-side and damned if I could tell [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► the difference not office in my eyes are [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► crappy which they unequivocally are if I [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► just don't appreciate it which is [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► possible or it did is it just not that [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► big a deal if you're not like a designer [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► like Marco for example do you are you [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► able to tell the difference when you [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► just look at arbitrary photo on a wide [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► color display vs a not white color [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► display not yet i suspect as wide color [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► displays become what I'm looking at [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► every day is like right now I do most of [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► my computing on a 2014 5 k iMac which [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► does not have the the high color display [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► and so I now have it on my phone and my [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► ipad but really i'm doing almost all of [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► my you know looking at things on my imac [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► but it's not it's not doesn't matter [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► where you look at them it's the source [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► material so Casey if you have something [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► you look at if you look the same picture [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► that you took in a pre wide color world [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► of course is gonna look the same because [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► there's no white color information in it [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► you have to take the picture with a [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► device capable of capturing that and [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► then look at that same picture 1 unlike [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► your iphone 7 that you took it on the [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► took a white color picture and the other [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► one that I thought that's what I did but [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► but but truth be told it was right when [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► i first got the seven [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► I wouldn't put it past needed to [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► accidentally have taken like an old [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► picture [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► and so I don't see anything but and I've [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► seen like the sample images like where [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► there's a like a big red blob and [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► there's an are hidden in there that you [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► wouldn't see unless its wide color you [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► don't stuff like that but nevertheless [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► on a regular picture I've not noticed [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the difference and as a corollary [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► question is is my two-year-old micro [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► four-thirds I presume that's not wide [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► colors that fair to say most cameras [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► have well most cameras don't have this [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► option middle and high end cameras often [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► will have an option to save the colors [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► in adobe RGB maybe instead of like srgb [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► but as far I haven't looked too much [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► into this as far as i know that i think [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► the conversion happens after raw anyway [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► so you might be able to fix this with [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► just a different Rock conversion process [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► and John do you know about this i was [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► gonna say what you said like there are [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► other color profiles that are not called [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► p3 that nevertheless have a larger range [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► than srgb ya kiddo BRB he's one of them [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► yeah I don't know which what the little [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► envelopes looks like an all of them but [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and especially if you capture all I [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► Kevin that's all the information you're [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► going to get and if you can pull myself [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► out of it i don't know but yeah I would [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► like your best source for images with [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► white color is your iphone 7 because [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► it's you know but it's all connected up [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► and then there if you actually look like [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► cranberries page where he has a bunch of [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► sample images if you really can't tell [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► the difference between the sample images [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► because they're made to like emphasize [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► the areas where humans can perceive the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► p3 color difference more but those [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► really emphasize those are kind of like [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► artificial but i have seen some other [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► pictures where it's like just a picture [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► of like a park like grass in a tree and [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► some sky and if you see them [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► side-by-side like I do on my iPad pro [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► and i go to that page like all right i [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► mean it's not doesn't jump out at you [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► but if you look you're like like is this [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► really the same picture it's like yes [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► this is literally the same picture [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► because one is srgb and the other one is [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► showing the four white color in the full [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► what color one that it's it's almost [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► like contrast is turned down the other [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► one like there's not like the Greens [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► don't look as green like most you know [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► on the grass type situation like all [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► that tree looks a little bit more past [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► le and washed out now [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► not a lot but you have to see them [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► side-by-side to see it i don't think i [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► could pick one out alone but if you [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► literally show me the same picture and [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► why [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► not why'd you go all the wide looks a [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► little better that's about it ok ok so [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► I'm not entirely crazy then because i'm [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► looking at this link on WebKit will put [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► in the show notes and they have like [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► this is what i was thinking of the [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► WebKit logo which is like this big red [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► blob that in srgb you don't see the logo [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► and then if you go into p3 you can see [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► the logo well if you scroll down on that [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► same page they have yellow flower and if [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► you click with this is like what you're [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► saying John if you click between the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► sRGB only and the p3 unequivocally I can [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► tell that the p3 is much more vivid and [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► looks more real [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► but if i were to look at either of these [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► images like you said John without the [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► other side by side [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► unlike say a Retina screen versus a non [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► retina screen were just words just [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► unbelievably obvious with these i don't [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think i would notice the difference [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► unless they're side by side [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► I mean that's how I'm with most of these [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► to it you know that like the example [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► things if I look at it like I'm ipad pro [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► which is my current biggest mp3 screen [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► it the these pictures look great Shirley [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► like that the big orange Sun sets like [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► yet they do look a little more saturated [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► in in those like orangie reddish tones [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► but you can look at a non retina screen [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► or a non-retina image our asset on a [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► webpage on retina screen and you can [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► tell that difference immediately [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► the very first thing I see that is [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► non-retina if you after your custom [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► retina you notice that immediately [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► whereas if I am scrolling through web [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► page and I see a picture of an orange [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► sunset that is not p3 after used to p3 i [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► don't think i will notice because it [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► could just look like it wasn't as [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► saturated a picture as it could have [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► been and so it's not you know it's a way [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► smaller advance for everyday casual [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► observing and for most people it's nice [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► to have i'm glad they're doing it and [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► it's especially nice you know if you [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► actually shoot a lot of pictures of [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► orange Sun sets and things but it's it's [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► a very you know in in general use it's [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► the kind of thing you can very easily [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► forget that you even have ok that was my [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► experience as well when I was curious [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► because I feel like maybe it's just [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► because I follow people like Hockenberry [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and Mark Edwards and and that you know [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► they're really revved up about it but to [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► me I was like man I barely see the [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► difference and I'm glad to hear that [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► that's not necessarily unusual the two [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► more things on the monitors first Casey [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► when you get back [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► the work you should tap the underside of [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► one of the corners your monitor and see [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► if you got a bobblehead to because I [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► think you owe I definitely do [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► oh yeah but it's like what a bad job [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► like the stand as one simple function [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► just put the monitor up off the desk off [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► the ground and keep it still [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► and it fails that thing not the other [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► thing is the one thing even though the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► LG monitors you know it's not much to it [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► like it is just black everywhere it's [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► not mad it's not shiny doesn't have much [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► of a frame around it is not a fivehead [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► the part of the bottom is the biggest [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► part so like its proportions that the LG [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► logo is small and subtle but if you go [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► to that Amazon page from my thing and do [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► the little do me thing you can you zoom [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► in and see the LG logo right move over [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► to the right from the LG logo what do [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► you see there lurking in the corner [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► because this is a pc products just got [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► to be ugly in some stupid way what do [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► you see there this stupid energy star [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► and it's small it's not a big energy [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► star badge and it's black and white like [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► it's not colored and weird but like the [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► whole front of this thing has nothing on [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► it i will accept the LG logo is small [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► and tasteful and centered why the hell [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► is an NGO store and so I'm like I'm just [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► going to peel that sticker off but it's [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► one of those stickers we're gonna have [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► to think on it for a while because it is [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► clearly not one of the ones that comes [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► off easy [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► you know the ones that like made to come [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► on like the metal one it's not metal [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► it's not plastic like here's that is the [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► math happened like I know I could get it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► off but after i get it off [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► what's the left underneath the square [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► where it used to be [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► well that look worse than the sticker [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► because the sticker for all its ugliness [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► looks like a sticker right it's the [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► Energy Star logo that peel it often is a [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► bunch of like sticky crap or I damage [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► the plastic underneath the business [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► cheap plastic this is not an aluminum [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► apple display or anything right [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► if I damage it somehow or get sticky [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► stuff in there that I can somehow can't [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► get off with you know careful [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► application of skin so soft on it which [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► by the way that's a secret for all you [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► out there if you get sticky crap from [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► stickers on them [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► one of the many things that will remove [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► it i know there are many products but [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► the one of the ones that I've used for [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► years is Avon skin so soft which I think [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► was supposed to be a thing that softens [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► your skin [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► the only thing i've ever used it for [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► takeoff sticker scope and it's got a [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► pleasanter oh my god why I i love the [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► extent to which we will avoid talking [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► about the microsoft surface to do [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► no get there get there anyway energy [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► star sticker uh it's you know it's got [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► to be ugly in some way and i said i [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► don't like that semi circular or stand [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► on no no that was nice but it's not so [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► that energy star sticker that on your [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► monitors on the bottom right i have what [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► appeared to be an identical one but if [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► you look at the stand and you know how [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► its kind of tilted at a sort of not a [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► 45-degree angle like a 30 degree angle [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► maybe well mine was all the way on the [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► left on that stand and I let it sit for [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► a week or two before even noticed it and [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► I was like all this crap in and you know [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► what i did i immediately ripped it off [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► because I don't worry about things like [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► you do and there was no residue or if [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► there's residue I like rub data with my [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► thumb for a second that you don't know [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► if there's residue you probably just [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► that I don't even see them in the Amazon [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► picture of your mother I don't see the [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► energy star sticker anywhere I you're [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► right i don't see it either but it was [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► there for sure [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► yeah so anyway I'm i might make a run at [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► sticker eventually just rip it off John [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► it's like a band-aid just rip it off [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► yeah I all right speaking windows stuff [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► we got a series of tweets from Jordan [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► who is nerdy Oh phage on Twitter and he [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► tweeted uh five things I'll read them in [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► series he says I spent a week with a [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► macbook pro escape after two solid [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► decades of windows use I was of the [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► opinion that Marcos on a batch dislike [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► of Oh of the OS of windows was equal [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► parts adoptive culture / fanboyism / [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► certain showmanship [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► I stand corrected in a little bit [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► humbled the windows the windows path [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► from neophyte power users shaped by red [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► registry at its decoder rings and secret [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► knocks which is arduous mac OS x [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► comparison feels inviting friendly and [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► intuitive like a late-night conversation [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► at a dinner party with good friends so [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► tldr this is still Jordan mac OS holy [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► crap I get it [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► transition costs will be very high but [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► seriously considering it and this echoes [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► my experience in 2008 of switching from [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► windows 2 20 s 10 at the time there were [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► two weeks where I doubted my life and [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► thought I'd made a terrible awful [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► horrible choice and then then I'd never [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► look back [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► I'm not saying that Jordans experience [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► is true for everyone because now we're [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► gonna have all the windows [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► all just writing in telling us how [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► Windows is good and we're a bunch of [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► jerks and blah blah blah but they still [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► really listen to us as some do because [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► we still get emails i'm not saying that [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► this is true for everyone i'm not saying [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► windows isn't better in some way or [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► another but I am saying is that we are [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► not the only girl here not the only ones [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► that seem to think that there's a better [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► way so just thought i'd share those [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► series of tweets from Jordan so thank [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► you jordan for writing us uh we had an [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► interesting conversation in slack Marco [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► and I'd like to air agreements let's [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► back up to circa january maybe december [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► so almost a year ago now and the two of [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► you but my recollection was that it was [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► mostly Marco we're saying you know what [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► Casey you should never put personal crap [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► on your laptop on your work laptop you [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► should really have a nice powerful [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► machine for home use [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► you probably shouldn't be ignoring Aaron [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► and using your laptop while you're [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► sitting next to her on the couch you [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► know what you need you need my Mac I've [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► tried the laptop dance Casey it's no [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► good it's no good man get the imac think [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► about that 27-inch beautiful at 5k [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► display with white color blah blah blah [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► i'm telling you it's the way to go [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► this is there are some I've seen that [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► picture with your summary already but go [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► ahead but then fast forward to I don't [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► know a few days ago when Marco is [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► talking in slack that private place that [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► we really shouldn't bring up publicly [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► but here I am because I'm annoyed coach [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► is talking into black and saying hmm you [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► know what maybe I'll get a new macbook [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► pro in a 5k display and i'll be back to [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► a one machine man again and I won't even [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► have to have a stupid desktop anymore [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► mm that's not okay okay so here's what I [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► said [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► so basically looking looking at [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► performance of everything and and [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► figuring a a potential and maybe even [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► likely future that does not include the [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► mac pro existing and also includes [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► standalone 5k retina displays that can [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► plug into laptops that have [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► not not matching but maybe ninety [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► percent of the performance of imax or [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► eighty percent of the performance of [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► imax i always say the reason I by the 15 [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► inch laptops is because when I'm [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► traveling I either need almost nothing [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► in which case doesn't matter what I [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► haven't that left me there like you type [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► emails faster more like browse Twitter [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► or I'm doing serious work whether it's [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► xcode or like lightroom photo it raw [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► importing and stuff and editing either [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► way like usually when i use a laptop [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► during travel I i want a lot of screen [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► space and I want a lot of horsepower [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► I also now have an imac as my main [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► computer and looking at the specs of [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► these computers these days and we'll [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► compare you know comparing the the new [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► MacBook Pros with LG 5k display you know [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► assuming it's good we don't actually [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► know yet but it will soon as good as the [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► probably is comparing that against the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► imac you know basically I am maintaining [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► and upgrading and paying for two [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► different computers with overall fairly [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► similar hardware and fairly similar [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► performance and so I thought you know [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► what I probably should do but won't and [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► I bolted won't but I said what I [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► probably should do is stop having two [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► similar respect max that I pay for and [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and maintain and everything or just have [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► a case a top-of-the-line 15-inch macbook [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► pro that I use like many people do in [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► clamshell mode [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► next you know on my desk most of the [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► time but then when I travel I can just [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► take that with me and have all the power [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► of this maxed-out computer with me that [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► is what i should do it is not what I'm [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► doing that and maybe in the future i [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► will do that you know you know me I [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► always change everything up never happy [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► so maybe in the future i will do that I [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► think I really want to wait and see what [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► happens to the mac pro next year first [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► you know if it turns out the mac pro is [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► really dead and that the best weekend [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► ever hope for in desktops is imac [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► hardware that's ten twenty percent [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► faster than the macbook pros [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► the day then that might make a lot of [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► sense actually for me but I really [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► handle the fan noise I guarantee it [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► you just think about the imac also has [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► family that's the problem when as loud [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► as a 15-inch no way [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► well so so again i want to see the new [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► 15 inches first I want to know I want to [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► have some experience with them hopefully [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► to see like you know is this really you [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► know how are these machines they really [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► did reduce the fan noise noticeably when [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► they move from the old crappy [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► symmetrical fan blades to the retina [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► macbook pro and 2012 when when Johnny [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► first talked about the asymmetric family [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► they showed this show the waveform yeah [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it's not louder but it did the like the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► annoying this other Diana asymmetrical [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► really help with the annoying this it [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► turned into a white-noise thing but I [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► think it's still dark honest I i'm [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► annoyed that i can hear the imac at all [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► i'm annoyed at what I hear what i hear a [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► laptop going with the is having are the [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► new ones obviously but the asymmetrical [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► fan ones they still I don't like the [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► sound of like a white noise generating [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► machine yet neither do i and III don't [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► like cc1 my imac fan spin up i consider [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► that like something that idea to put [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► headphones on right now and stop here in [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► this order to find the process that is [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► using all my cpu power and just kill it [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► because I I can i I really don't like [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► hearing fan noise while I work [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► it's simple as that so you know it a [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► macro is silent under load in most rooms [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► and that's one of the reasons i love it [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► and that's one thing that will greatly [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► miss if it is truly dead forever which [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► you know again I i think it's looking [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► increasingly likely we'll see what [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► happens next year but anyway so all I [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► was saying was it doesn't make a lot of [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► sense for me to maintain two different [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► fork or mid-range to high-end machines [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► from Apple when I occasionally need one [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► on the road but most of the time it's at [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► my desk [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► it would make more sense to consolidate [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► into one computer and maybe even pull an [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► imax I should be great and have two [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► laptops maybe I have that crazy one and [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► also a very small one like either an [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► escape or macbook 144 the travel needs [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► during which i don't need a lot of power [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► and I just want to have the smallest [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► thing possible and that would hardly [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► ever get upgraded but that is a world [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► that I probably should go to but [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► currently i am not going to that [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► because currently i'm still waiting out [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► the potential mac pro of the future so i [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► will see [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► ATT says pointing out in the chat room [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► that I should not forget that six core [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► chips will be coming to the imac [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► consumer core i7 line [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► presumably you know in in the near [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► future a six core imac would be awesome [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► i would really prefer more you know it [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► isn't gonna upgrade from for I want to [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► pick up where i want to go to eight or [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► twelve even or even more if i can get it [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► and so I'd be nice to have even more but [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► you know we'll see again at this this [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► all depends on what the hardware brings [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► over the next year or two and whether [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► Apple even makes computers that use [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► these chips are coming out we don't even [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► know that so we'll see time will tell [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► but right now i am not going all laptop [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► but all I was saying that if I were more [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► sensible it would probably be a better [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► allocation of resources to just do that [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► which is probably the reason why so many [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► people do exactly that [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► indeed I just wanted to grumble at you [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► publicly for a moment so I feel much [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► better now thanks everyone responds to [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► tonight by betterment to go to [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► betterment calm / ATP for investing made [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► better betterment is the largest [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► automated investing service out there is [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► independent managing more than 5.5 [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► billion dollars for over a hundred and [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► eighty thousand customers as of this [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► past September Betterman has changed the [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► investing into making investing easier [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► and a lower cost and traditional [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► financial advising services better it [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► manages your investment with the same [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► strategies the financial advisor is used [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► with clients who have millions of [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► dollars and you probably heard about [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► them in the press such as the wall [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► street journal Bloomberg and techcrunch [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► defense service industries embrace [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► technology and innovation to the [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► creation of automated investing [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► platforms like betterment me that you [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► keep more of your money with fees that [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► are a fraction of what you pay for [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► traditional financial services excess [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► cash that generator is automatically [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► reinvested so every dollar you invest is [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► put to work your portfolio is also [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► automatically rebalance as necessary now [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► investing involves risk but right now [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► you can get up to six month no six [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► months of no fees by going to betterment [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► duck [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► / ATP that's betterment calm / ATP [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► betterment investing made better [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► ah apple has released a new mac book and [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► things there's a new design book and [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► half of me thinks I'd really don't see a [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► problem with it and half of me thinks my [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► word have they lost all sense of reality [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► and I haven't decided which ones which [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► ones which [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► did anybody see this coming I didn't [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► ride and I think it's a totally [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► reasonable and to be expected thing for [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► them to do in fact I'm surprised they [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► don't do more of it i mean they sell [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► they sell shirts with their things on [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► them they sell all sorts of merchandise [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► but it's Apple that apple stuff on it [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► they they love having giant posters of [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► all they're you know they're proud of [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► their design and this particular thing [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► as sort of a capper to johnny is career [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► at Apple like it makes total sense i [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► don't i don't think it's all that weird [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► there are a few things are different [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► about I mean first of all like the the [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► t-shirts mugs everything you can only [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► buy their company store or at their [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► conference so it like you can't just go [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► into any apple store go online and order [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► an apple t-shirt like you like this kind [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► of like a limited thing they keep only [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► to like their store i'm assuming this [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► will be limited to like how long do you [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► think they'll sell its gonna be selling [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► it for five years unless maybe maybe Tim [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► Cook says you know we can keep selling [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► the same design book for 10 years and [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► there are the lower the price [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► sure but like the other stuff is more [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► like a slight it's like a gift shop at a [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► museum like I went to apple 22 either [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► WBC or to their campus and so I got this [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► this expensive t-shirt because i went [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► there and that's that's a little bit [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► more justifiable if you have a problem [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► this by the way I don't necessarily have [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► a problem with this I i'm still I mostly [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► indifferent on it i mostly don't care [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► that exists i do think it shows a few [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► things worth worth considering you know [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► things like possible China of retirement [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► overall though it seems poorly timed at [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► a time when Apple is being criticized [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► for neglecting a lot of their product [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► line and their new release is being [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► criticized for being especially poor [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► value for the money [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► and they and they appear to have cut [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► Donald prices in an effort to show maybe [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► they're not just trying to get a whole [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► bunch of extra money from from accessory [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► sales so is kind of an unfortunate time [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► even if you ignore the election which I [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► I I don't think you should [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► but even if you ignore that this is kind [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► of a weird time for Apple to release an [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► incredibly self-congratulatory [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► highfalutin to three-hundred-dollar book [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► about themselves [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► it's just it's a little bit poorly timed [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► i think but it even if you don't agree [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► with that he stepped aside I think it's [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► mostly fine i do think it it is one of [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► many signs pointing to Johnny I've is [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► probably not that far off departure or [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► retirement from apple or middle just [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► descend further into the clouds of [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► bizarre titles that that mean he doesn't [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► actually do any day work but that might [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► be the same thing I don't know but I'm [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► not sure if I want one or not and i [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► might be one of the ideal customers for [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► it i buy stupid expensive things all the [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► time that I like apple stuff usually a [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► lot as i was looking at some of the some [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► of the pages that they have on their [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► sample site and everything they just [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► kind of make me sad because they show [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► like like other store the sample show [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► the mac mini case and and like the the [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► big cutting wheel i'm sorry i don't know [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► the terms these various manufacturing [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► tools like some giant spiky wheel that [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► presumably carves out part of the inside [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► of the mac mini case and its really nice [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► that you care so much about the mac mini [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► that people take this picture but the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► machine that makes this case what about [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► the product that's been pretty neglected [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► pretty badly or shit shows like it like [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► a picture of the of the bottom assembly [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► with the lid popping off of the previous [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► generation non retina macbook pros like [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► that might even be the one exactly and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it shows that the macbook pro bottom lid [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► taken off and you have the removable [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► battery and you have the removable [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► upgradeable hard drive is like oh yeah I [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► remember one laptops for upgradeable and [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► easily repaired like Kate I i think this [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► book would mostly just me he said [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► obviously about like about either either [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► computers that Apple has neglected and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► that I that I am sad about like the mac [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► pro which i assume is in there [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► or it features of computers that are no [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► longer present that have been cut [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► through the the marks of quote progress [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► over the years some of which is real [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► progress I'm which is just cutting [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► things so I i don't know how i feel [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► about this for myself but if other [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► people want to have this book and enjoy [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► it that's fine really i again i do think [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► that releases poorly timed but other [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► than other than that I don't really have [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► a problem with it i think i'm mostly [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► agree but I already have a copy it's [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► just called iconic back and i have [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► iconic somewhere I think too i have the [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► the old apple design book from the [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► nineties it's called the let me check [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► the island while you're checking out [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► there is one a pic i do want to I i do [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► want to not forget about though and that [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► is so so Steve Jobs his name is all over [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► this book they they [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► his name's all over the press release [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► their very prominently dedicated to him [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► and everything I I think enough people [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► have said that I don't need to say too [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► much about that it's questionable [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► whether jobs would have actually [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► approved this project and and used it i [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► will so that a lot of people keep saying [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► that this project was started eight [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► years ago and therefore that was back [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► when Jobs alive and therefore he must [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► have implicitly approved it and that's [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► not entirely clear when Johnny idea the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► interview 2w something wallpaper [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► whatever I forget I'm sorry [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► it mentioned that they started [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► collecting the products to photograph 8 [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► years ago that doesn't mean they started [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► photographing for this specific project [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► that was approved by jobs eight years [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► ago so I do want to make that clear that [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► I don't we don't know that jobs new this [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► at all and I think I can't imagine that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► he would have appreciated it but well [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► you know it's always risky for protect [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► people like us to say well Steve Jobs [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► wouldn't have done this wouldn't like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► this because you don't really know the [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► guy change his mind a lot and he's not [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► here anymore to to refute it so that [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► it's not a great thing to rest on but it [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► but i do think plastering his name all [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► over it is maybe not so we just [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► dedicated to him it's not like they're [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► trying to like you know build on his [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► the image to make to sell this book like [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the book sells that itself on its merits [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► dedicated to the memory of their friend [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► I think that's fine and if we can say [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► one thing about this book it is steve [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► jobs would like to have it in his house [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► whether or not he thinks it's the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► product apple should sell I guarantee [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► you he would love to have this book he [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► would sit there on his his couch with [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► his bare feet and leave through it and [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► look at the great work that he's done [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► whether anything is an example should be [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► selling is a whole other story where the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► example should have a museum of all the [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► old stuff is a hold of the story but he [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► so clearly took pride in all the [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► products that are in this thing that he [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► himself just personally would surely [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► love to have the best possible [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► photographs on the best possible paper [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► made in germany with them you know [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► special gilding around the edges and he [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► would love this book this you look [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► really cool thing to make for your [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► employees you know or or to maybe sell [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► for a limited time at your campus store [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► but to sell it as like a whole product [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► that I think it kind of raises the bar [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► and raises the level of criticism a bit [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► a little bit of an unnecessarily maybe [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► but you know because like I think will [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► be a lot cooler if this was a thing for [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► all the employees Vegas all got for free [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► we probably aren't even getting for free [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► probably not it's charging two [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► particular always work but imagine if [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► they gave us to all the employees and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► the handful of Apple collectors who [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► really want it would have to like go [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► find on eBay or something that will be [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► so much cooler if you had one if that [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► was the case it i don't know is it just [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► seems like that might have been a better [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► way to go here [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► yeah I tend to agree so I just reached [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► out into the bookcase behind me and grab [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► my copy of iconic and i started paging [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► through it and I landed on page 130 of [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► iconic and it has a quote which i will [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► read to you if you never change anything [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► then what what you can really engineers [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► kind of incremental but when you're [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► willing to change things then you kind [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► of open up a whole new world of design [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► this is Big Bob Mansfield at the launch [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► of 2012 macbook pro in the accompanying [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► picture is a macbook pro that has [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► magsafe ethernet firewire Thunderbolt 2 [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► USB ports in SD card slot line in ahead [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► on Jack just thought that was kind of [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► funny that's pretty cool so yeah so when [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► you're willing to change things and you [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► open up a whole new world of design like [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► fewer ports so the book next to me is [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► called apple design all one word capital [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► capital D colon the work of the Apple [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► industrial design group and it's where [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► is an older book so it's got the stuff [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► from before you guys are Mac users it's [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► like mostly the error [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► well i can expand the whole range but [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► anyway it's definitely earlier than the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► stuff that's in this book and i could [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► say i would like to own this book to i [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► would totally like this book but i would [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► like two or three jobs where at this [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► point because and here's what here's the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► thing like it's not three hundred [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► dollars for a really super high-quality [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► photo book is that big a deal it's just [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► that for me personally with you know [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► having just bought a monitor and [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► playstation 4 pro and also other stuff I [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► would spend three hundred dollars in [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► this if it was like the making of the [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► star wars books that i bought which by [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► the way Warren $300 like basically if it [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► was lots more words now that I don't [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► like the pictures i do i want the [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► pictures but if it was the pictures but [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► also pages upon pages upon pages of the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► designers including John himself telling [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► the story of how they came up with these [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► designs in as much detail as they can [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► possibly remember again like the making [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► of the star wars books which are not [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► first-person accounts but it's like some [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► research and talk to all the people [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► involved and tried to lay out here's how [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► each of the three original trilogy star [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► wars we just made from conception [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► through the production design talking to [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► all the people involved in getting [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► quotes from them and putting it all [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► together [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► that's what i would like to read and my [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► impression is this book is either [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► entirely or at least mostly pictures and [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► not so much about Apple's gonna tell you [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► you know how the sausage is made [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► I mean I'm sure lots of pictures of [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► prototypes and you know like things with [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► a tool that Marco talk about whatever [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► but it's not really like tell us how did [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► you come up with this is I would love to [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► read that but that is not that simple [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► and what I'm saying is basically those [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► those words were in this book i would [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► pay 300 dollar store in a second but [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► just the photos I i have a longing to on [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► this book but cannot bring myself to [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► part with Randy dollars were quite yet [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► maybe maybe I'll break down into how [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► long they sell this maybe I'll succumb [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► to it at some point because I [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► really do want this book i mean i have [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► tons of books like this but both range [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► of dollars that stuff and no i don't [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► want the small one because come on it's [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► nothing why are there two sizes like [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► that's such a good thing just making [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► sure they should have called the big 12 [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► plus some people want a larger obviously [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► the big one is huge i like the big 1i [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► think I'm think about if I had that in [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► my house how the hell would I even fit [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► on my shelves i don't think i even have [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► any shelves at the making of star wars [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► books are a little bit too big for my [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► shelves too but you know it's photos [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► come on you gotta get the big yeah i [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► just gotta say this iconic book I'd [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► forgotten page through a long time man [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► is this a nice book it really honestly [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► is and its cheapness like 50 bucks on [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► amazon right now it's definitely worth [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► it i wonder if i can get the business [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► rep discount ok fifty percent of you [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► threw a book at my apple ibook is right [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► next to the art of kiki's delivery [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► service the complete works of Larry a [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► lot more but also i have a higher or [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► astoria legend of zelda book all of [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► which are about the same size big kind [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► of glossy photo book things but none of [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► which costs three hundred dollars now I [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► mean it's you know people who know more [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► about art books are end you know as you [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► said John like the I don't think it's [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► outrageously priced for what it is but [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► it certainly doesn't contribute it [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► certainly doesn't help the the recent or [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► possibly forever reputation of apple for [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► this like elitist company making [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► expensive things that only for rich [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► people like that's this doesn't really [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► help that image at all in this really i [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► don't know again this is not a big deal [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► i don't feel that strongly about this [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► book either way I might even buy one who [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► knows but i do think it was a little [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► poorly timed for for image sake I think [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► and see the weird thing about this book [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► is its i like the idea that Apple itself [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► is the one doing it because it's great [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► as iconic is the apples line books or [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► whatever Apple presumably I mean you [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► would think they would have access to [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► all the stuff apparently they didn't [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► have to go out and buy it or whatever [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► but either way like they was really good [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► at taking pictures of its products they [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► have the most experience of anybody in [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► the entire world taking pictures of [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► apple products because that's what they [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► do and they do it really really well and [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► because they're all obsessive detailed [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► people about like the printing and the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► color in the paper I bet it's a really [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► nice book right but the one thing the [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► Apple can bring to this book above and [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► beyond those two things that i just [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► mentioned that nobody else can [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► is that they have the best access to the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► people who were involved in making me [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► some of those people may be gone all [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► those supposedly there's very little [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► turnover and Johnny absolutely design [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► group there that's the value they can [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► bring this was the whole I know you're [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► getting a market like apples making a [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► book about how great their right there [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► making a book about themselves and [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► saying we are awesome or just look at [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► all these cool things that we made which [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► i guess is ok but if you want a blunt [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► that it's like don't just make it look [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► at these awesome things that we made [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► bring the value that only you have tell [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► us the stories people who worked on [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► these products [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► tell us about how you made them because [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► no one else can tell us how they made [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► them other people can take pictures of [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► them other people can make a big glossy [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► photo book other people can probably [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► find the right kind of paper and do the [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► cool printing and do all the things but [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► nobody but you guys can tell us the [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► story of how these products are made and [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► they're not doing that so they're like [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► saying how great they are but like yeah [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► I don't want to tell you too much about [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► it just look at the stuff we're pretty [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► great huh don't nevermind that was made [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► and that's that definitely shades more [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► into the event that makes it less [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► forgivable as an act of you know [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► self-congratulations because if you are [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► describing how you did it [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► you're not just congratulating yourself [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► even if the whole book is like we had [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► heart problems then we solve them [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► because you're super smart you're you're [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► passing on your knowledge your telling [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► the rest of the world learn from our [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► lessons which you can still do with a [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► lot of ego and you know back padding but [TS]